From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 1 00:46:54 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id AAA30449; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 00:46:06 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 00:46:06 -0700 From: MFergerson@aol.com Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 03:45:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970801034528_786577848@emout05.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Barkhausen Battery??? Resent-Message-ID: <"EaPM32.0.gR7.zGPup"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4636 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Fred Epps mentioned in passing something called a 'Barkhausen Battery'. Sounds EXTREMELY interesting, but I must have missed the early stuff on it as everyone else seems to say "Oh, yeah, that". More info, maybe a website, please? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 1 04:33:22 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id EAA02149; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 04:32:39 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 04:32:39 -0700 Message-ID: <33E02F20.4BC1@dove.net.au> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 23:22:24 -0700 From: "Glenville T. Sawyer" Reply-To: gsawyer@dove.net.au Organization: Making a "CONCERTed EFFort" - Lighting, Theatre, Concerts, Special Events and effects. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Packet messages ? References: <33DD449D.47F5@ix.netcom.com> <33DD82C5.35B05F3F@stic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ej7dB3.0.UX.MbSup"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4637 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Zack and N5QXD, quick one, are you guys on Packet ? Glenville. ( A frequent reader - but infrequent ACTIVE contributor,... but you should see what I plan to do - Next week )! :) :) :) vk5zcf@vk5lz.#adl.#sa.aus.oc -- Glenville T. Sawyer mailto:gsawyer@dove.net.au Home-site http://dove.net.au/~gsawyer - Please visit Lighting, Concerts, Special Events, Special Effects & More. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 1 06:33:16 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id GAA02996; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 06:32:25 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 06:32:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708011332.GAA02970@mx2.eskimo.com> Date: 01 Aug 1997 09:29 EDT Sender: "Gene Batten" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: "Gene Batten" Subject: Re: Carbon arc process Resent-Message-ID: <"n4-cF2.0.gk.cLUup"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4638 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Wes, In the message below, you make a statement about "aquafuel" that it is "about as efficient as burning coal". How do you know this? The articles and other material available imply that less energy is required to create the gas than is released when burned. This sounds "too good to be true", so I tend to believe that you are probably correct. Do you have experience with this gas and the generation process? ...Gene Batten mdleb@nortel.ca In message "Carbon arc process", you write: > > > I would have posted earlier but I didn't think this would go so far,and I > have been very busy. the patent number for the richardson patent is > 5,435,274. It is about as effecient as burning coal. When you check it out > I think the excitment will die down. > Sorry to pop another balloon. > thanks wes > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 1 08:16:03 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id IAA16689; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 08:14:58 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 08:14:58 -0700 (PDT) From: HLafonte@aol.com Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 11:13:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970801111121_820279420@emout12.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Lets build a BIG Newman motor together ! Resent-Message-ID: <"iZFth3.0.g44.lrVup"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4639 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Greg, you said, It would be impossible for any special interest group to look all 100 of us in the eyes and say we're crazy. Media attention would be a snap to set up. Once rolling, this ball could not be stopped!! Joe would certainly be able to get his patents. Where that'd leave us 100 dedicated Newmanites is anybody's best guess though. >snip Greg, What do you say we pole the list and see how many people we can get to join in building the 1000 pounds of copper wire Newman motor? I live 1/2 mile from an electric motor rebuild shop ( 5 to multi-1000 hp motors). I have friends there and could use some of the empty space in the back to build it. They have a crane, and a machine shop is next door that I have a done lots of business with. Joe Newman lives only 5 hours drive from here. (Birmingham, Alabama, USA) Do you think people on the list would donate a small amount each to pay for materals? I would be the first to donate money and do all the labor for free. I was an aircraft mechanic in the Air Force and have been working in mechnical design for 25 years. I should be able to build it with the tech. help of people on the list. I work out of my home and could take a sabbatical to build it. Just think what we could do with a Newman motor that size, that could be moved to any location by a small truck. Two hundred or more people behind it as a team should get some attention also. What do you think? List comments welcome also. Butch LaFonte From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 1 08:16:25 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id IAA06329; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 08:15:23 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 08:15:23 -0700 Message-Id: <199708011508.IAA10581@claim.goldrush.com> From: "Wes Crosiar" To: Subject: Re: Carbon arc process Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 08:22:55 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"qaGJU.0.mY1.9sVup"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4640 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Gene: I got excited about the same thing a couple of years ago. After spending time reading the patent I was not nearly as excited. I do not recall if another person told me or if the carbon consumption is mentioned in the patent. However I do remember that the device did use more carbon than I was interested in using. You can view the patent for free on the IBM search site. If you like hydrogen I believe patent #5085176 will satisfy you. Check it out. Thanks wes From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 1 13:45:13 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id NAA12626; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 13:43:58 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 13:43:58 -0700 Message-ID: <33E273C6.6B39@tiac.net> Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 16:39:50 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Reply-To: bshannon@tiac.net Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Barkhausen Battery??? References: <970801034528_786577848@emout05.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"jYtVH3.0.B53.Dgaup"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4641 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: MFergerson@aol.com wrote: > > Fred Epps mentioned in passing something called a 'Barkhausen Battery'. > Sounds EXTREMELY interesting, but I must have missed the early stuff on it as > everyone else seems to say "Oh, yeah, that". More info, maybe a website, > please? The Barkhausen Effect Battery is discussed in an article on scalar wave detectors, and can be found on Bill Beaty's web site, in the Not Your Average Construction Projects section. I beleive that the title is "Scalar Detector using the Barkhausen Effect". The Battery is a variation of the detector design. There never had been a great deal of discussion of the Barkhausen Effect battery on the list, well, not like SMOT or Newman, etc. For some reason, it does not generate all that much interest. This may be due to the fact that its only discussed as a sideline item to the detector design, or it may be that I do not describe the device as a practical power source, the output energy is quite small. But there is no input energy at all, and this is the most interesting aspect of the device, with no energy input, and any output at all, it's effiency is embarassing, as you need to divide by zero ((energy out > zero) / (energy in = zero )). Thanks for your interest, if I can be of any assistance, please ask. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 1 15:55:41 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id PAA06897; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 15:54:47 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 15:54:47 -0700 From: openway@nor.com.au Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 08:54:32 +1000 Message-Id: <199708012254.IAA14849@nornet.nor.com.au> X-Sender: openway@pophost.nor.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: FE cap on tesla coil? Resent-Message-ID: <"pgs951.0.Zh1.sacup"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4642 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I'm not an expert on Tesla coils, and was wondering if someone could comment on this "story", or try to verify it using an existing coil. An ordinary spark gap TC was modified so the _negative_ side of its 0.05 mF timing cap was taken to physical ground rather then returned to the circuit. The claim was that a surplus of electrons would be drawn from the earth, to be stepped down by a transformer wired in series, and recified to supply all the TC's power input. I believe the cap was constructed using copper shim wrapped on a 2 1/2" diameter copper tube, with HV mylar in between. Peter Nielsen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 1 17:48:37 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id RAA26933; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 17:48:01 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 17:48:01 -0700 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 19:47:25 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199708020047.TAA04445@dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com> From: rwall@ix.netcom.com (Richard Wayne Wall) Subject: Re: Barkhausen Battery??? To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com To: rwall@ix.netcom.com Resent-Message-ID: <"P0iGp2.0.ka6.0Feup"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4643 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: BS wrote: snip > >The Barkhausen Effect Battery is discussed in an article on scalar >wave detectors, and can be found on Bill Beaty's web site, in the Not >Your Average Construction Projects section. I beleive that the title >is "Scalar Detector using the Barkhausen Effect". > >The Battery is a variation of the detector design. >There never had been a great deal of discussion of the Barkhausen >Effect battery on the list, well, not like SMOT or Newman, etc. For >some reason, it does not generate all that much interest. This may be >due to the fact that its only discussed as a sideline item to the >detector design, or it may be that I do not describe the device as a >practical power source, the output energy is quite small. > >But there is no input energy at all, and this is the most interesting >aspect of the device, with no energy input, and any output at all, >it's effiency is embarassing, as you need to divide by zero ((energy >out > (zero) / (energy in = zero )). snip Having examined and observed a working model of the Barkhausen Battery, I will attest that it works and continously and passively produces current. By anyone's standards, it is overunity and as above, over zero. There is no "programming" or priming with an outside power source. It functions totally passively. I have completed a thorough examination of this simple device and it functions as Mr. Shannon claims. There are a couple of reasons that it has not raised interest. The first is that it is confused with the Barkhausen Scalar Detector and in fact, is a first cousin to it. Most do not realize it is a coherer of energy and current producer. All be it, at this stage a small but steady and sustained current. Secondly, few have even attempted to construct it. Next, no one knows its mechanism of action. This is very important research because its power may be scaled up and enhanced once it has been investigated. Finally, maybe Mr. Shannon will be so kind as to give some details on its construction, testing and results. The distinction between the Barkhausen Battery and Detector needs to made clear. And, possible mechanisms of action should be advanced. How much power does the prototype produce? I estimate it will power an electric wrist watch continuously. So, to all the O/U naysayers, here it is. Low power, yes, at this stage of developement. But, once it's built, investigated and engineered for higher power, no one will doubt the existance of "over unity" devices. RWW From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 1 19:06:43 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id TAA03170; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 19:05:39 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 19:05:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33E2944E.C69054E4@microtronics.com.au> Date: Sat, 02 Aug 1997 11:28:38 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Barkhausen Battery??? X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <970801034528_786577848@emout05.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"udrzF2.0.Nn.mNfup"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4644 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: MFergerson@aol.com wrote: > > Fred Epps mentioned in passing something called a 'Barkhausen Battery'. > Sounds EXTREMELY interesting, but I must have missed the early stuff on it as > everyone else seems to say "Oh, yeah, that". More info, maybe a website, > please? Hi MFergerson, It at : http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/freenrg/bark.html Enjoy. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Phone / PC Fax ...... 61 8 8270 2737 E-mail .............. gwatson@microtronics.com.au Home Page ........... Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 2 04:09:30 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id EAA30057; Sat, 2 Aug 1997 04:08:55 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 04:08:55 -0700 Message-ID: <33E313F1.3A079FB9@microtronics.com.au> Date: Sat, 02 Aug 1997 20:33:13 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List Server Freenrg CC: List Server Vortex Subject: SMOT Mk3 Web Page X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ocpGi1.0.UL7.5Lnup"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4645 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi All, I have updated my site with preliminary SMOT Mk3 data. More to follow. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Phone / PC Fax ...... 61 8 8270 2737 E-mail .............. gwatson@microtronics.com.au Home Page ........... Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 2 11:05:33 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id LAA22368; Sat, 2 Aug 1997 11:04:44 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 11:04:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708021803.NAA06448@ns.vvm.com> X-Mailer: Calypso Version 2.20.16 Date: Sat, 02 Aug 1997 13:03:27 -0500 From: "Brent Davidson" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Lets build a BIG Newman motor together ! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <"sLsaP1.0.MT5.uQtup"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4646 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: This is an excellent idea. I'm in college now (Texas A&M), and don't have= much spare change to contribute, but I am involved with a group that would= love to see something like this come about. I could make arrangements for= demonstartions at A&M, and for professional verification, if this did come= about. The group has also expressed interest in getting Mr. Newman to= come and speak, if he is willing to do so. -Brent On 08/01/97, at 11:13 AM, HLafonte@aol.com wrote: >Greg, you said, >It >would be impossible for any special interest group to look all 100 of us >in the eyes and say we're crazy. Media attention would be a snap to set >up. Once rolling, this ball could not be stopped!! Joe would certainly >be able to get his patents. Where that'd leave us 100 dedicated >Newmanites is anybody's best guess though. >>snip >Greg, > What do you say we pole the list and see how many people we can get to >join in building the 1000 pounds of copper wire Newman motor? > I live 1/2 mile from an electric motor rebuild shop ( 5 to multi-1000= hp >motors). >I have friends there and could use some of the empty space in the back to >build it. >They have a crane, and a machine shop is next door that I have a done lots= of >business with. Joe Newman lives only 5 hours drive from here. (Birmingham, >Alabama, USA) > Do you think people on the list would donate a small amount each to pay >for materals? I would be the first to donate money and do all the labor= for >free. > I was an aircraft mechanic in the Air Force and have been working in >mechnical design for 25 years. I should be able to build it with the tech. >help of people on the list. I work out of my home and could take a= sabbatical >to build it. > Just think what we could do with a Newman motor that size, that could= be >moved to any location by a small truck. Two hundred or more people behind= it >as a team should get some attention also. > What do you think? > List comments welcome also. > Butch LaFonte > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 2 11:16:23 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id LAA24128; Sat, 2 Aug 1997 11:15:50 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 11:15:50 -0700 (PDT) From: geoff@compcafe.co.uk (Geoff Greaves) Reply-To: geoff@compcafe.co.uk To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Re: S.M.O.T. and Solid State Devices Date: 01 Aug 1997 21:00:20 GMT Message-Id: <1009053662.232159917@compcafe.co.uk> Organization: via Computer Cafes FC BBS Wales, UK Resent-Message-ID: <"BXahM1.0.vu5.Ibtup"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4647 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: w9sz@prairienet.org writes: I know it is spelled "ley line" but I don't know that much about them. Can someone enlighten me (us) on that they are? Zack A 'Ley' is a site and Leylines are the lines of alignment between these sites. Depending on your viewpoint the existence of these lines goes from nonsense to having great spiritual significance. They are global and join sites of the most ancient archeological significance as well as comparitively recent buildings like cathedrals. This seems to be because christians built their cathedrals on old pagan worshipping sites! Leylines can be dowsed. There's a lot of literature about them; try your local library next time you're there. Who knows, you may even live on one! ---------------------------------------- >From Geoff Greaves: geoff@compcafe.co.uk ---------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 2 13:43:52 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id NAA23730; Sat, 2 Aug 1997 13:41:38 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 13:41:38 -0700 Message-ID: <33E3B768.5019@swbell.net> Date: Sat, 02 Aug 1997 15:40:40 -0700 From: Dragonslayer Organization: Apollo Industries X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-SBWA (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Lets build a BIG Newman motor together ! References: <199708021803.NAA06448@ns.vvm.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"w7Unb1.0.do5.1kvup"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4648 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Brent Davidson wrote: > > This is an excellent idea. I'm in college now (Texas A&M), and don't have much spare change to contribute, but I am involved with a group that would love to see something like this come about. I could make arrangements for demonstartions at A&M, and f or professional verification, if this did come about. The group has also expressed interest in getting Mr. Newman to come and speak, if he is willing to do so. > > -Brent > > On 08/01/97, at 11:13 AM, HLafonte@aol.com wrote: > > >Greg, you said, > >It > >would be impossible for any special interest group to look all 100 of us > >in the eyes and say we're crazy. Media attention would be a snap to set > >up. Once rolling, this ball could not be stopped!! Joe would certainly > >be able to get his patents. Where that'd leave us 100 dedicated > >Newmanites is anybody's best guess though. > >>snip > >Greg, > > What do you say we pole the list and see how many people we can get to > >join in building the 1000 pounds of copper wire Newman motor? > > I live 1/2 mile from an electric motor rebuild shop ( 5 to multi-1000 hp > >motors). > >I have friends there and could use some of the empty space in the back to > >build it. > >They have a crane, and a machine shop is next door that I have a done lots of > >business with. Joe Newman lives only 5 hours drive from here. (Birmingham, > >Alabama, USA) > > Do you think people on the list would donate a small amount each to pay > >for materals? I would be the first to donate money and do all the labor for > >free. > > I was an aircraft mechanic in the Air Force and have been working in > >mechnical design for 25 years. I should be able to build it with the tech. > >help of people on the list. I work out of my home and could take a sabbatical > >to build it. > > Just think what we could do with a Newman motor that size, that could be > >moved to any location by a small truck. Two hundred or more people behind it > >as a team should get some attention also. > > What do you think? > > List comments welcome also. > > Butch LaFonte > > Brent, I just signed up on freenrg last night. Is this the way the system works--for me to get response E-mail like this? I am very interested in Joe Newman's Motor Designs since I still have the original article from Discover of May '87. Alot of material was inaccessable until the cold fussion experiments and the Webb came about. I went to UT and live in Houston, next to NASA...My roomate went to A&M, but he is not into this sort of thing like I am. Please keep me updated. I'd love to help, but am a little strapped for cash now. I could possibly scroung for copper, if that would help. Enough people doing just that, and you would have materials in no time. Give me gauge sizes proposed, and I will see what I can do here. Excited, Todd From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 2 18:22:03 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id SAA08379; Sat, 2 Aug 1997 18:20:25 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 18:20:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33E3DB2D.F5D3341F@microtronics.com.au> Date: Sun, 03 Aug 1997 10:43:17 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List Server Freenrg CC: List Server Vortex Subject: SMOT Mk3 First stage plans up X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"S8-wC1.0.g22.Jpzup"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4649 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi All, Just a short note. The first stage of the SMOT Mk3 circular ramp plans are on my site. To follow are : N gauge track installation. 0.5mm thick plastic magnet array tubes construction. Magnetic array configuration. Adjusting the SMOT Mk3 ramp for "Rollaround". -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Phone / PC Fax ...... 61 8 8270 2737 E-mail .............. gwatson@microtronics.com.au Home Page ........... Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 2 19:27:52 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id TAA18327; Sat, 2 Aug 1997 19:26:12 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 19:26:12 -0700 (PDT) From: HLafonte@aol.com Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 22:24:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970802222427_918024736@emout04.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Could low inductance to high inductance be the secret? Resent-Message-ID: <"3LDD_2.0.GU4.1n-up"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4650 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I would like to ask a question to those on the different lists that have knowledge of the operating principles of the various permanent magnet and/or electro-magnet motors or generators that claim to be overunity. At any point in these different designs, does the coil or coils go from a low inductance state to a high indunctance state? I am trying to find out if this is something that none, a few, or all, have in common. If many do, then this might be the way to overunity in these designs. If it proves that they do, I will post where you can read a very interesting article in The American Journal of Physics that deals will the first o/u device to be mentioned in an "establishment" publication to my knowledge. It claims to experience an excess voltage (o/u), that they believe originates during the transition from low inductance to high inductance state in the motor operation. It's exact nature the can not explain! Your comments, please Butch LaFonte From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 2 19:38:27 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id TAA28249; Sat, 2 Aug 1997 19:35:42 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 19:35:42 -0700 From: HLafonte@aol.com Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 22:35:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970802223504_561632707@emout02.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Update on pole to builld BIG Newman motor Resent-Message-ID: <"8aflb3.0.Iv6.yv-up"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4651 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: So far there have been 15 positive and willing to donate between 30 and 50 dollars to the project, and 2 negative comments.( I expected the opposite! ) Now just 185 more positive replies and we start building! Thanks, Butch LaFonte From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 2 20:48:56 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id UAA11779; Sat, 2 Aug 1997 20:46:44 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 20:46:44 -0700 Message-ID: <33E40D27.4BE@sunherald.infi.net> Date: Sat, 02 Aug 1997 21:46:31 -0700 From: kyle Reply-To: stk@sunherald.infi.net Organization: InfiNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: None at this time Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"FT48Y.0.ot2.Yy_up"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4652 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Greetings: I am new to freenrg, so bear with me. I am tight on money right now (mostly from electrical expiriments), so I can't donate much for a while. I am working on several different things, including free energy and gravity control, so if there's anything you would like me to try, feel free to ask. Has anyone here done anything with DST's or magnetic force cutting? Kyle Mcallister stk@sunherald.infi.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 2 23:13:28 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id XAA30258; Sat, 2 Aug 1997 23:11:09 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 23:11:09 -0700 Message-Id: Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 23:10:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: kap808@199.2.194.10 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Stephen Kaplan Subject: Re: Could low inductance to high inductance be the secret? Resent-Message-ID: <"j0LiD1.0.hO7.z32vp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4653 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Yes, please post the article. Which device was it discussing? Best regards, Steve Kaplan At 10:24 PM 8/2/97 -0400, you wrote: > I would like to ask a question to those on the different lists that have >knowledge of the operating principles of the various permanent magnet and/or >electro-magnet motors or generators that claim to be overunity. > At any point in these different designs, does the coil or coils go from a >low inductance state to a high indunctance state? > I am trying to find out if this is something that none, a few, or all, >have in common. >If many do, then this might be the way to overunity in these designs. > If it proves that they do, I will post where you can read a very >interesting article in The American Journal of Physics that deals will the >first o/u device to be mentioned in an "establishment" publication to my >knowledge. It claims to experience an excess voltage (o/u), that they believe >originates during the transition from low inductance to high inductance state >in the motor operation. It's exact nature the can not explain! >Your comments, please >Butch LaFonte > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 2 23:28:40 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id XAA16608; Sat, 2 Aug 1997 23:26:42 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 23:26:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708030626.XAA32491@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: "Free Energy" , Subject: Re: None at this time Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 23:30:41 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"5tXO23.0.N34.UI2vp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4654 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi, Kyle, You've got my curiosity.. exactly what is a DST and what do you mean by magnetic force cutting? Fred . Has anyone here done anything > with DST's or magnetic force cutting? > > Kyle Mcallister > stk@sunherald.infi.net > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 3 03:33:53 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id DAA28758; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 03:31:21 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Aug 1997 03:31:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33E45C57.8D275127@microtronics.com.au> Date: Sun, 03 Aug 1997 19:54:23 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Could low inductance to high inductance be the secret? X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <970802222427_918024736@emout04.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"E40Fc2.0.E17.tt5vp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4655 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: HLafonte@aol.com wrote: > > If it proves that they do, I will post where you can read a very > interesting article in The American Journal of Physics that deals will the > first o/u device to be mentioned in an "establishment" publication to my > knowledge. It claims to experience an excess voltage (o/u), that they believe > originates during the transition from low inductance to high inductance state > in the motor operation. It's exact nature the can not explain! > Your comments, please > Butch LaFonte Hi Butch, I believe the article you refer to is by IDE and has been discussed here is some depth. I would also add that the IDE experiment and my own DNMEC research are very close to each other. If the data is not by IDE, I would appreciate more info. I can send you a copy of the IDE article if you wish. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Phone / PC Fax ...... 61 8 8270 2737 E-mail .............. gwatson@microtronics.com.au Home Page ........... Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 3 03:45:31 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id DAA20119; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 03:43:35 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Aug 1997 03:43:35 -0700 Message-ID: <33E45F74.5139BEED@microtronics.com.au> Date: Sun, 03 Aug 1997 20:07:40 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List Server Freenrg CC: List Server Vortex Subject: SMOT Mk3 Plans update 2 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Ix8ea3.0.Gw4.K36vp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4656 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi All, I have updated my web site with further SMOT Mk3 plans. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Phone / PC Fax ...... 61 8 8270 2737 E-mail .............. gwatson@microtronics.com.au Home Page ........... Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 3 05:09:09 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id FAA25294; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 05:07:11 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Aug 1997 05:07:11 -0700 Message-ID: <33E472F8.58A1@ctv.es> Date: Sun, 03 Aug 1997 14:00:56 +0200 From: Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga Reply-To: vramos@ctv.es X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: DE PALMA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"0uZtN3.0.7B6.kH7vp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4657 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi all. I visited the page announced on Keelynet. Can the N-MACHINE run at overunity?. The last information I had not say this. Only a 80% eff. This is the page: http://www.depalma.org.nz/ Vicente. -- Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga E-mail: vramos@ctv.es Home Page: http://www.ctv.es/USERS/vramos/home.htm Burriana (Castellon) SPAIN From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 3 08:14:34 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id IAA13400; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 08:12:19 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Aug 1997 08:12:19 -0700 (PDT) From: HLafonte@aol.com Date: Sun, 3 Aug 1997 11:10:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970803111034_-1909482714@emout18.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: IDE article (Greg Watson comment) Resent-Message-ID: <"aKaU23.0.HH3.G_9vp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4658 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Greg, you said, >I believe the article you refer to is by IDE and has been discussed here is some depth. I would also add that the IDE experiment and my own DNMEC research are very close to each other. > Greg, it was in The Journal Of Applied Physics, June, 1995, published by the American Institute Of Physics, the author is Osamu Ide, Clean Energy Lab., Natural Group Corporatio, Shinagawa, Japan . Greg, who or what is IDE? Is that a person or organization? You said, >I can send you a copy of the IDE article if you wish. > Greg, What is the tiltle of your article? If it is different from the one I have I would like a copy.(Increased voltage phenomenon in a resonance circuit of unconventional magnetic configuration) Thanks, Butch LaFonte From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 3 10:23:48 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id KAA24659; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 10:22:05 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Aug 1997 10:22:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33E4CBF2.362@sunherald.infi.net> Date: Sun, 03 Aug 1997 11:20:35 -0700 From: kyle Reply-To: stk@sunherald.infi.net Organization: InfiNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: None at this time References: <199708030626.XAA32491@mail1.halcyon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"HPeLv1.0.A16.wuBvp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4659 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Fred Epps wrote: > > Hi, Kyle, > > You've got my curiosity.. exactly what is a DST and what do you mean by > magnetic force cutting? > > Fred Hello Fred: First the simple one: Magnetic poles have lines of force traversing the space between them. I'm sure you knew that already. What happens if you actually cut, at a high rate of speed, the lines of force? If they carry energy, maybe that energy coud be extracted. As this list is heavy on expirimentalism, I may just try this. Now the in-depth one: DST=Double Spin Torus (fully: Double spin-toroidal drive) It's way too in depth to post here, but you can learn everything about it (almost) at the following website: http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/bluesilv/ Kyle R. Mcallister From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 3 10:39:09 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id KAA28341; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 10:36:39 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Aug 1997 10:36:39 -0700 Message-Id: <199708031738.KAA17851@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: "Free Energy" Subject: The IDE paper Date: Sun, 3 Aug 1997 10:40:43 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"hu_Jz2.0.kw6.c6Cvp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4660 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi group! I agree with Butch that the IDE article is a key article. I'm not sure whether the increase in inductance is a common feature of free energy systems. The feature that interests me most is the voltage gain in the system with the use of a S-S magnet pair rather than a N-S magnet pair to pull a rotating magnet between the pair poles. The author relates this to the controversy as to whether there is one kind of EM induction in different forms, or whether there are truly two separate types of induction. Ide's system is not overunity because the increase above the predicted values due to induction still does not compensate for losses. I have a scan of this paper called "Increased Voltage Phenomenon in a Resonance Circuit of Unconventional Configuration" if anyone wants it. Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 3 11:15:09 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id LAA01059; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 11:13:10 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Aug 1997 11:13:10 -0700 X-Sender: josephnewman@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 3 Aug 1997 13:16:55 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: Re: The IDE paper Resent-Message-ID: <"OuAPG.0.SG.reCvp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4661 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >Hi group! > > I agree with Butch that the IDE article is a key article. I'm not sure >whether the increase in inductance is a common feature of free energy >systems. The feature that interests me most is the voltage gain in the >system with the use of a S-S magnet pair rather than a >N-S magnet pair to pull a rotating magnet between the pair poles. The >author relates this to the controversy as to whether there is one kind of >EM induction in different forms, or whether there are truly two separate >types of induction. > Ide's system is not overunity because the increase above the predicted >values due to induction still does not compensate for losses. > I have a scan of this paper called "Increased Voltage Phenomenon in a >Resonance Circuit of Unconventional Configuration" if anyone wants it. > >Fred Dear Butch and Fred -- I believe this is the article in question: THE JOURNAL OF APPLIED PHYSICS (Volume 77, Issue 11, June 1, 1995, pages 6015-6020) PUBLISHED BY THE AMERICAN INSTITUTE OF PHYSICS: TITLE: Increased Voltage Phenomenon in a Resonance Circuit of Unconventional Magnetic Configuration PREFACE: The behavior of an LCR (inductance-capacitance-resistance) circuit with a moveable ferromagnetic core is discussed. The core is attracted by a magnetic field generated by an electric current resulting from the discharge of a capacitor in the closed LCR circuit. An unusual increase in recharge voltage, which was dependent on the magnetic configuration of the coil, was observed. This voltage increase does not conform to the mathematical simulation of the system. The possibility that a positive electromotive force was involved in this effect is discussed. ------------------------------------------------------ The following is a particularly interesting statement from this article: ------------------------------------------------------ "Generally speaking, it is expected that the total recharge voltage will decrease because this system produces mechanical output as the core moves. However, through a series of experiments, it was discovered that results depend on the magnetic configuration of the coils used in the circuit. In other words, for a certain kind of magnetic field, the opposite result could occur --- an increase in the average current and recharge voltage. To confirm the above observations, an experiment was conducted, which is described in this article." ------------------------------------------------------ The following was one of the final conclusions presented in this article: ------------------------------------------------------ "It can be postulated that the complex movement of magnetic flux generates a positive EMF, but the cause of the voltage increase is not clear." ------------------------------------------------------ Through his research over the past 30 years and as demonstrated in his numerous experiments and working prototypes, Joseph Newman has presented a comprehensive explanation for the cause of the "voltage increase" described in the above article. I urge the reader to locate a copy of this research article from the Journal of Applied Physics, published by the American Institute of Physics, and review it at your convenience. Best regards, Evan Soule' Director of Information NEWMAN ENERGY PRODUCTS telephone numbers: (601) 947-7147 or (504) 524-3063 addresses: Route 1, Box 52, Lucedale, MS 39452 USA or P.O. Box 57684, New Orleans, Louisiana 70157-7684 email: josephnewman@earthlink.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 3 12:27:58 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id MAA05942; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 12:26:03 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Aug 1997 12:26:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: leoguitar@mail.vossnet.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, newman-l@emachine.com From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Re: Barkhausen Battery ? !! Cc: bshannon@tiac.net, rwall@ix.Netcom.com Date: Sun, 03 Aug 1997 21:27:36 MET Message-Id: <19970803212736.204a8e11.in@pop3.vossnet.de> Resent-Message-ID: <"3Sf2V2.0.hS1.9jDvp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4662 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 19:47 01.08.1997 -0500, freenrg-l@eskimo.com wrote: >BS wrote:=20 > >snip > >> >>The Barkhausen Effect Battery is discussed in an article on scalar=20 >>wave detectors, and can be found on Bill Beaty's web site, in the Not=20 >>Your Average Construction Projects section. I beleive that the title=20 >>is "Scalar Detector using the Barkhausen Effect". >> >>The Battery is a variation of the detector design. >>There never had been a great deal of discussion of the Barkhausen=20 >>Effect battery on the list, well, not like SMOT or Newman, etc. For=20 >>some reason, it does not generate all that much interest. This may be=20 >>due to the fact that its only discussed as a sideline item to the=20 >>detector design, or it may be that I do not describe the device as a=20 >>practical power source, the output energy is quite small. >> >>But there is no input energy at all, and this is the most interesting >>aspect of the device, with no energy input, and any output at all,=20 >>it's effiency is embarassing, as you need to divide by zero ((energy=20 >>out > (zero) / (energy in =3D zero )). > >snip > >Having examined and observed a working model of the Barkhausen Battery,=20 >I will attest that it works and continously and passively produces=20 >current. By anyone's standards, it is overunity and as above, over=20 >zero. There is no "programming" or priming with an outside power=20 >source. It functions totally passively. I have completed a thorough=20 >examination of this simple device and it functions as Mr. Shannon=20 >claims. =20 > Please xplain, where you have seen this device ? Who did build it and what did you measure ? Where is a description how to build the battery version ? On Bill Beaty=B4s WEB site there is just the detector version and nothing is been said about the Battery version... >There are a couple of reasons that it has not raised interest. The=20 >first is that it is confused with the Barkhausen Scalar Detector and in=20 >fact, is a first cousin to it. Most do not realize it is a coherer of=20 >energy and current producer. All be it, at this stage a small but=20 >steady and sustained current. Secondly, few have even attempted to=20 >construct it. Next, no one knows its mechanism of action. This is=20 >very important research because its power may be scaled up and enhanced=20 >once it has been investigated. Finally, maybe Mr. Shannon will be so=20 >kind as to give some details on its construction, testing and results. =20 >The distinction between the Barkhausen Battery and Detector needs to=20 >made clear. And, possible mechanisms of action should be advanced. > >How much power does the prototype produce? I estimate it will power an=20 >electric wrist watch continuously.=20 Did you measure it ? Is there any additiona information about the effect at all on any WEB site ? > >So, to all the O/U naysayers, here it is. Low power, yes, at this=20 >stage of developement. But, once it's built, investigated and=20 >engineered for higher power, no one will doubt the existance of "over=20 >unity" devices. Okay, please let us know how to build a battery version.. > >RWW > > > > -- Hartmann Multimedia Service Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany http://www.harti.com Webmaster of: www.detours.de www.overunity.de www.berlin-city.com email: harti@harti.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 3 13:03:53 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id NAA09671; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 13:02:26 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Aug 1997 13:02:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: leoguitar@mail.vossnet.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: vramos@ctv.es, freenrg-l@eskimo.com, newman-l@emachine.com From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Re: DE PALMA news ?? Date: Sun, 03 Aug 1997 22:04:21 MET Message-Id: <19970803220421.206c344a.in@pop3.vossnet.de> Resent-Message-ID: <"Aq_xa1.0.0N2.FFEvp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4663 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 14:00 03.08.1997 +0200, vramos@ctv.es wrote: >Hi all. >I visited the page announced on Keelynet. >Can the N-MACHINE run at overunity?.=20 >The last information I had not say this. Only a 80% eff.=20 >This is the page: >http://www.depalma.org.nz/ > >Vicente. I don=B4t know what dePalma has now, but a few years back=20 he did not have a self running machine. I visited him in 1987 in Montecito, CA and he still worked=20 on his neodym magnet N-machine, the one he has the pics=20 now on his WEB site. All other inventors I know who tried to build N-machines did also not get it over 100 % efficiency. The more money they put into their N-machines to contruct them better only they achived coming closer from 90 to 95 % efficiency or something like this, but never got over 100 %. Does dePalma have a new N-machine construction plan now ? Regards, Stefan. > >--=20 >Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga >E-mail: vramos@ctv.es >Home Page: http://www.ctv.es/USERS/vramos/home.htm >Burriana (Castellon) SPAIN > > > > -- Hartmann Multimedia Service Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany http://www.harti.com Webmaster of: www.detours.de www.overunity.de www.berlin-city.com email: harti@harti.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 3 13:09:31 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id NAA16934; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 13:07:09 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Aug 1997 13:07:09 -0700 Date: Sun, 3 Aug 1997 13:07:03 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty Reply-To: William Beaty To: Mike cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: microwave cooking In-Reply-To: <199706242213.PAA27797@www.eskimo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"lMosU.0.Q84.iJEvp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4664 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Tue, 24 Jun 1997, Mike wrote: > --- comments --- > I just attended a seminar where a man made a comment unrelated to the > topic that microwave ovens when they heat foods will cause structure > changes which affect the human body in very adverse ways. COMMENTS? I've heard this as a rumor in fringe science circles. It shouldn't be too hard for professionals to test (see if microwaved food has different effects on lab animals than non-microwaved food,) but since it's a "weird science" rumor, that automatically makes professional scientists avoid it. Also, it falls in the class of "EM effects on biology", which also is a disreputable field and professional scientists fear to touch it (I think mostly because of electrical-healing crackpots and scams from the early 1900s.) Also, "very adverse" sounds to me like a huge exaggeration. Slight declines in health aren't "very adverse." Eating poison and dying, that's what I'd call "very adverse." If microwave cooking causes very adverse health reactions, then there must be some serious disease or condition which suddenly became widespread in the 1970s, and anyone who claims that microwave cooking is dangerous would also have to point out just what sickness it causes. If microwave cookery causes breast cancer, that's one thing. But if it causes slight reduction in immune response, which leads to getting the flu more often, I certainly wouldn't call that "very adverse." If eating microwaved vegetables is about as dangerous as eating hormone-fed tortured-in-pens chicken meat, then the issue is the healthiness of the foods, not whether there is danger. Most Americans won't pay for non-pesticide apples for example, even if trace pesticides have subtle health effects. I'd put it this way: anyone who buys only organic vegetables, free-range chicken, never eats junk fook, etc., might also want to avoid microwave cookery. .....................uuuu / oo \ uuuu........,............................. William Beaty voice:206-781-3320 bbs:206-789-0775 cserv:71241,3623 EE/Programmer/Science exhibit designer http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/ Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com SCIENCE HOBBYIST web page From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 3 15:20:38 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id PAA04888; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 15:18:29 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Aug 1997 15:18:29 -0700 From: Keasy@aol.com Date: Sun, 3 Aug 1997 18:17:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970803181749_-1809175733@emout04.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Update on pole to builld BIG Newman motor Resent-Message-ID: <"eiUPV.0.GC1.qEGvp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4665 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I'll contribute $30 if you can raise the rest of what you need. Ken Keasy@aol.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 3 15:37:13 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id PAA08336; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 15:34:55 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Aug 1997 15:34:55 -0700 Message-Id: <199708032328.SAA15124@csrlink.net> From: "Jim Shaffer, Jr." To: Subject: The Physics of the Formation of Sacred Images Date: Sun, 3 Aug 1997 12:01:28 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"oZXyO3.0.722.DUGvp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4666 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > From: Andy C > To: 'Forteana' > Subject: FW: revised Callahan article > Date: Sunday, August 03, 1997 6:44 AM > > I've no real Idea why I (and others) got this but here goes... > > Andy > > ---------- > From: Fr Joseph[SMTP:Fr_Joseph@priory.org] > Sent: 22 July 1997 00:03 > Subject: revised Callahan article > > Most of you have already received a previous version of this article. As I > have recently added some new email addresses to my list, some of you will be > getting this article for the 1st time. It appears in the July/August issue > of Shroud Sources. I have added 2 sections that were missing from the > previous version, as well as other minor corrections. As before, the figures > and photos have been omitted. As of 1991 when he presented a paper at the > St. Louis Shroud Symposium, Dr. Callahan was the author of 106 scientific > papers and 12 books on science. He has been a full professor on the graduate > faculty of the U. of Florida. He is one of the 5% of U.S. scientists in the > Who's Who of Technology. > > Fr. Joseph Marino, O.S.B. > > > THE PHYSICS OF THE FORMATION OF SACRED IMAGES > > BY > > PHILIP S. CALLAHAN > > About the middle of June 1995 my phone rang and a pleasant female voice > asked me if I were Dr. Callahan. After affirming my identity she asked me to > hold for Fr. O'Leary. Fr. O'Leary told me he had heard about my work on the > miraculous image of the Virgin of Guadalupe from a priest he met in Knock, > Ireland. He tracked me down through the University of Florida. "Where are > you located, Father?" I asked. "Liverpool, England," he replied. I was > quite sure he was calling from somewhere in Florida. It is not uncommon for > connections to England to be clearer than those from Daytona Beach or > Jacksonville. This brings to mind the fact that such a message is traveling > on radio energy from satellites of about 10 -12 watts. > Lightning at the earth's surface can generate up to 10,000 volts per > meter of air space and thousands of watts of energy. Despite that simple and > undeniable fact, modern materialists are so enamored with their > self-satisfied intellectual abilities that they believe that they can talk > over thousands of miles on 10-12 watts but that God, who designed the entire > system, can not paint a picture with 103 watts (1000 watts). > A newspaper survey showed that 92% of Americans are ignorant of any > real scientific understanding. It is incredible that most biologists are > just as ignorant of basic physical principles. In 1922, a Japanese > scientist, Mr. M. Eguchi, discovered in plant waxes a phenomenon he termed > the ELECTRET effect. Electrets are formed in wax by the combination of heat > and electricity. > This is not a treatise on physics, but in simple terms, wax formed > by heat and electricity into an electret is in essence an "electrical field" > magnet, which has a plus field (+) on one surface and minus (-) on the > opposite. Plant leaves are weak electrets because they are coated with wax. > The charges, as in a magnet, are permanent. Most modern microphones are made > with teflon (not wax) electrets--thus joggers have a permanent magnet in > their ears--not a good idea when one considers that blood is doped with iron > (Fe). > Electrets, as in the case of magnets, are highly attractive to iron > molecules. Both the Shroud of Turin and the Tilma of the Virgin of Guadalupe > are doped, that is, have scattered on the fiber, particles of iron oxide > (Fe2O3). Hematite (iron mineral) is one of the main components of the basalt > volcanic rock that surrounds the Sea of Galilee and of which Tepeyac Hill in > Mexico is formed. The Virgin Mary appeared to Juan Diego on Tepeyac Hill. > All Marian apparition sites are highly paramagnetic--contain weak magnetic > forces. Such places are conducive to high radio and electrical energies. I > have been measuring them for over 30 years. See my book My Search for Traces > of God. > Since electrets are such an important part of my theory and > experimentations on Sacred Images, I was excited and intrigued when Fr. > O'Leary informed me he was the director of a Liverpool Hospice for the dying > and that one of his cancer patients, a very devout young man, named Les > Hunter, had died (in Feb. 1981) leaving a shroud-like image of his hand on > the mattress cover. > The mattress cover is made of polyurethane coated with rosin--a material > on which, with even an extremely weak current, one can form an "electret" > image. I refer the reader to the English translation of the Russian work > Photoelectrets and the Electrophotographic Process by V.M. Fridkin and I.S. > Zheludev (Consultant Bureau, NY). In that book the authors show a picture of > a beautiful sunflower made with polycrystalline yellow sulphur and asphalt. > This is a process where the yellow sulphur and black asphalt molecules > migrate (move to different charged areas on the electret surface. Those > areas are made by projecting with visible light the image of a sunflower. > Yellow molecules move to the petals and black molecules to the stem and > leaf--an ELECTRET PHOTOGRAPH. > Fr. O'Leary was setting up a conference on the Shroud of Turin and > hospice imprint and graciously included me. I was to speak on my infrared > work on the Image of the Virgin of Guadalupe. He also promised a real piece > of the mattress cover to take home with me to my Gainesville lab for > study--my own "Shroud of Liverpool" to work on. On arriving home the first > thing I did with my 6" by 9" piece of the of the mattress cover, which Les > Hunter died on, was to measure its electrical properties. I already knew, > due to the high electrical charges (500 to 600 mv per cm. of air space in the > death room) that the mattress would have a fixed electrical charge on > it--plus on the rosin side, minus on the polyurethane side. There was, in > fact, a 12.4 millivolt difference between the rosin side and the polyurethane > side (42.9 mv-30.5 mv). > I was also aware that the hospice building was, in essence, a > paramagnetic cave, since it was constructed of highly paramagnetic brick. > Paramagnetism is a weak alternating magnetic force (1/1,000,000 gauss). It > is important to plant growth. See my book Paramagnetism--Rediscovering > Nature's Secret Force of Growth. The human body has approximately a 200 volt > potential between head and toe. Laying down, the potential would measure in > the range 1/4 meter of air space, eg., 50 volts. The body air interface > would be air, 500 mv (= 1/2 volt) to the 50 volts of the body. The > temperature of such a sick person, 102 to 105 F is quite enough for the > electret phenomenon to occur. For the image to form by the electret process, > light must "develop" the image. Photoelectrets are sensitized in darkness by > charging the photoconducting layer surface, eg., under the sheet in the dark > hospice (room electricity.) The image would not appear until the bed was > stripped in daylight. > > > The Experiment > > In an experiment such as my sacred image experiment, one is dealing > with a rather modern form of math called "complexity." It derives from chaos > mathematics. The best analogy is the test for color blindness. It consists > of a field of different colored dots. A color-blind person sees only chaos. > A person with normal color vision sees a 6 or 7, or some letter or other > number. The non-color-blind person has gone from chaos mathematics to > complexity. They see not chaos but a complex figure (message). > In these image experiments I have gone through a huge series of > life experiences, physical phenomenon, religious beliefs (eg. Catholicism), > etc. etc. A list would include knowledge of art, pigments, soil, rocks, > plants, cloth, biophysics, biochemistry, biology, electronics, meteorology, > special relativity, etc. etc. They all come together in this one simple > experiment. It is the type of experiment in which the physicist, who does > not accept my work, will say, "that is too simple and we knew that all > along--the excuse of a reductionist scientist. A natural philosopher of > complexity is an observer of what God does with nature. > Obviously, a dying man is sweaty and such sweat contains numerous > chemicals. One cannot know for certain what chemical was involved in the > hospice image. Since sweat contains iron oxide from blood (Fe2O3), it is the > most likely candidate. Iron oxide is easily obtained from a rusty paper clip > (one soaked in sweat). Sea water is close to the same composition as sweat, > so I soaked a paper clip in sea water and put 500 mv of electrical current > across the damp, soaked mattress cover and paper clip. The voltage was > generated at 60 Hz (hertz) with a function generator. The electrical charge > in the hospice room would be 50 Hz (English). Within one hour at 500 mv (1/2 > V) a paper clip image (negative print) was deposited on the mattress cover > cloth. > The hospice print, unlike the Shroud of Turin, is a positive because the > sweat (sea water) flowed down the body wall and deposited around the body. > Iron (Fe) is magnetic, but iron oxide (oxidized blood) is paramagnetic (CGS > of 7200 for the physicist). The negative iron oxide ions were attracted to > the positive (top) side of the electret due to opposite charges. The oxide > fixed itself permanently on the electret mattress cover. > The iron oxide outlined the still-alive body (shadowed it) leaving a > "shroud-like" image of a very holy man. His devotion to God was vouched for > by Fr. O'Leary. The seat on the body itself left various shades of grey > depending on its amount of sweat, eg., more in the palm creases where it > collected, than elsewhere. It should be noted that the stain is most in > evidence at the tips (curved surfaces) of both the fingers and the paper > clip. Charges are always set highest at the sharpest points. > The paper clip experiment imprints is, of course, a negative and not a > positive image as the paper clip is light colored (silver). The iron oxide > also moved to the crease (stitch holes) along the edge as it did on the palm > creases. In other words, the iron oxide image of the paper clip is very > close to the image of the Shroud of Turin. > At this point, we enter a raging controversy between a group of > highly competent and totally honest scientists. They are caught up in the > reductionist practice of science, which in truth never works for pure science > (new discoveries) but works very well for technology. To make a long story > short, the pro-Shroud group say iron oxide, (Fe O, rust) could not be > involved, and a very competent expert (on ink and pigments), Walter McCrone, > says it is--reductionist (either/or science). > The real truth is again hidden by the complexity of life--both are > correct as the negative paper clip image and the negative Shroud image were > with certainty formed from the very few iron oxide (rust, Fe O) molecules > moving to the portions of the cloth that touched Christ's cold, dead body, or > a cold paper clip touching a mattress cover (negative photo). The Liverpool > image formed on the mattress cover with sweat around a dying body (positive > photo). The molecules were from the dripping sweat of a live body (positive > image) and the "touching death" of Christ's body (negative image). > > St. Matthew writes (28:1-6): After the sabbath, as the first day of the > week was dawning, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to the see the tomb. > And behold, there was a great earthquake; for an angel of the Lord descended > from heaven, approached, rolled back the stone, and sat upon it. His > appearance was like lightning and His clothing was as white as snow. The > guards were shaken with fear of him and became like dead men. Then the angel > said to the woman in reply, "Do not be afraid! I know that your are seeking > Jesus the crucified." > > Earthquakes generate considerable atmospheric light and electricity as > does of course lightning. Research on lightning demonstrates air voltages of > up to 10,000 V per cubic meter of airspace. Earthquake light is of a similar > degree. Temperatures are excessive. Electrets of teflon are easily formed > in my laboratory with 2,000 V. Wax-resin electrets are slightly heated and > form as they are allowed to cool--exactly the same as would happen to a > waxed-coated (flax) cloth (unbleached) heated by earthquake and lightning and > then cooling on a cold and dead body--proof of Christ's DEATH. The electret > charge on Christ's nose would be higher than lower spots so iron oxide would > move (as in a electrophotographic process) and stain the touching cloth. At > 10,000V and 1,000 watts the image formation would not take one hour at (500 > mv) but would occur instantaneously. > Lastly, to maintain that a shroud placed over a body with iron nails > in the hands and feet and scourged all over the body with iron (probably > rusty) dumbbell tips, and also containing dust from basalt rock (hematite, Fe > O), would not have enough iron oxide on it to concentrate at electret charges > and form a very dim image, borders on ludicrous. If I can do it with a paper > clip and 500 mv over a one hour period, then surely God could do it for Les > Hunter over a 6 hour sweaty period and also do it to His own body with an > earthquake focused into a rock resonant cavity (tomb) over a microsecond > period. The apostles would not see the shroud image immediately (in the > dark) because light "develops" such images and it would slowly become visible > as it came into sunlight. > I have a very difficult time believing that ancient Hebrews or Indians > had a modern control of complex electrophotographic processes, or alternating > current at the their disposal (year 33 and year 1531 (Virgin of Guadalupe). > I have no difficulty in believing that God knew about the entire process > forever (before and after), and that I have known about it since 1962, when I > first investigated electret phenomena with the help of the Russian book on > the subject. > In my next article, I shall demonstrate how iron oxide and copper > oxide from soil, through the photoelectret process, can draw a beautiful > image on unbleached cloth and how it "codes" up in electret spots to fill and > "cake" the spaces between cloth fibers. In short, I shall produce a crude > electret photography with the two minerals that I predicted in 1979 formed > the Virgin of Guadalupe image from the flower root soil on Tepeyac Hill. MAN > COULD NOT IN 1531 PRODUCE SUCH AN IMAGE. GOD THE ULTIMATE PHYSICIST-ARTIST, > COULD. > > > > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 3 17:07:34 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id RAA00479; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 17:05:21 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Aug 1997 17:05:21 -0700 Message-ID: <33E51B5B.ECC468C1@microtronics.com.au> Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 09:29:23 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List Server Freenrg CC: List Server Vortex Subject: PMOD One Way Transformer update X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"rdhpK3.0.O7._oHvp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4667 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi All, I have updated my site with further PMOD info. Detailed is a working One Way Transformer design. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Phone / PC Fax ...... 61 8 8270 2737 E-mail .............. gwatson@microtronics.com.au Home Page ........... Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 3 17:11:35 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id RAA01606; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 17:09:56 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Aug 1997 17:09:56 -0700 Message-ID: <33E51C72.F8C37012@microtronics.com.au> Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 09:34:02 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: IDE article (Greg Watson comment) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <970803111034_-1909482714@emout18.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"qL6wR3.0.xO.JtHvp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4668 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: HLafonte@aol.com wrote: > > Greg, What is the tiltle of your article? If it is different from the one I > have I would like a copy.(Increased voltage phenomenon in a resonance circuit > of unconventional magnetic configuration) > Thanks, > Butch LaFonte Hi Butch, Yes that is the one we have discussed here before. As I said, It is part of the DNMEC effect. I will put up the whole article on my site today. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Phone / PC Fax ...... 61 8 8270 2737 E-mail .............. gwatson@microtronics.com.au Home Page ........... Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 3 18:00:55 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id RAA10336; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 17:59:07 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Aug 1997 17:59:07 -0700 Message-ID: <33E527F6.EA02724A@microtronics.com.au> Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 10:23:10 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List Server Freenrg CC: List Server Vortex Subject: Ide Paper posted X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"439qR2.0.NX2.ObIvp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4669 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi All, As promished, I have posted the Ide research page on my web site in the DNMEC section. Enjoy. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Phone / PC Fax ...... 61 8 8270 2737 E-mail .............. gwatson@microtronics.com.au Home Page ........... Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 3 18:42:32 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id SAA17853; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 18:40:38 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Aug 1997 18:40:38 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: darknet.net: Host ts1-ap31.bmts.com [204.191.100.131] claimed to be bmts.com.bmts.com Message-ID: <33E532A4.6F3A@darknet.net> Date: Sun, 03 Aug 1997 21:38:45 -0400 From: Steve Reply-To: darklord@darknet.net Organization: DarkNet Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Carbon Arc process Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"1xQrL1.0.sM4.LCJvp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4670 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi everyone.. I tried to send this yesterday, but I had an error with my mail server. Hopefully it will work this time.. ;) I found the article that was mentioned regarding aquafuel.. if anyone still wants to read it, here it is.. http://www.gsenet.org/library/07eng/AQUAFUEL.TXT ttyl -Steve -- Steve (aka DaRkLoRD) | darklord@darknet.net UIN: 2149500 | www.darknet.net/darklord DarkNet Technologies: http://www.darknet.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 3 20:57:26 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id UAA05009; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 20:55:33 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Aug 1997 20:55:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 4 Aug 97 15:53 NZST X-Sender: srae@shoppe.mlb.planet.gen.nz Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: srae@mlb.planet.gen.nz (Stuart Rae) Subject: Re: The IDE paper X-Mailer: Resent-Message-ID: <"jG5ZF1.0.4E1.nALvp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4671 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi All, On Sun, 3 Aug 1997 13:16:55 -0600 josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule), noted from: >THE JOURNAL OF APPLIED PHYSICS >(Volume 77, Issue 11, June 1, 1995, pages 6015-6020) >PUBLISHED BY THE AMERICAN INSTITUTE OF PHYSICS: snip >it was discovered that results >depend on the magnetic configuration of the coils used in the circuit. In >other words, for a certain kind of magnetic field, the opposite result >could occur --- an increase in the average current and recharge voltage. and >"It can be postulated that the complex movement of magnetic flux generates >a positive EMF, but the cause of the voltage increase is not clear." I've tried to download this paper from Greg's site, but my poor old computer can't handle all the pixels, and just turns white. So, if its not too much trouble, can anyone who has read this paper help with an explanation of what exactly the particular "MAGNETIC CONFIGURATION OF THE COILS USED IN THE CIRCUIT" was, and what the "CERTAIN KIND OF MAGNETIC FIELD" was, that produced "THE OPPOSITE RESULT"? Thanks, Stuart Rae From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 3 21:32:57 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id VAA13192; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 21:31:09 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Aug 1997 21:31:09 -0700 Message-ID: <33E559AC.F0305A30@microtronics.com.au> Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 13:55:16 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: List Server Vortex Subject: Re: The IDE paper X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"NMFRq2.0.zD3.CiLvp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4672 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Stuart Rae wrote: > > I've tried to download this paper from Greg's site, but my poor old computer > can't handle all the pixels, and just turns white. > > Thanks, > > Stuart Rae Hi Stuart, It's NOT your system's fault. Seems my new graphic package doesn't like GIF89 too much. I have reconverted the images and confirmed they will download OK. Sorry for the hastle. Try it NOW. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Phone / PC Fax ...... 61 8 8270 2737 E-mail .............. gwatson@microtronics.com.au Home Page ........... Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 3 21:53:09 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id VAA10028; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 21:51:20 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Aug 1997 21:51:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33E56D7D.5F3D@sunherald.infi.net> Date: Sun, 03 Aug 1997 22:49:50 -0700 From: kyle Reply-To: stk@sunherald.infi.net Organization: InfiNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: NASA Paper Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"hFKYP2.0.bS2.5_Lvp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4673 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi all: Here's a NASA paper thats pretty interesting: NASA Technical Memorandum E-10365 "The Challenge to Create The Space Drive" Contact Marg G. Millis for copies marc.g.millis@lerc.nasa.gov Kyle Mcallister "The secrets of flight will not be mastered within our lifetime...not within a thousand years." -Wilbur Wright (1901) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 4 00:26:29 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id AAA02737; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 00:22:38 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 00:22:38 -0700 Message-Id: <199708040722.AAA26782@f77.hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [207.77.104.97] From: "" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: None at this time Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 00:22:03 PDT Resent-Message-ID: <"0RAKX2.0.cg.zCOvp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4674 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Kyle- What method would you use to "cut" the lines of force? And how would you extract the energy? BTW, I think lines of force are electrons orbiting magnetic material externally as a whole instead of individual atoms & molecules. See http://www.copernican-series.com for more on that idea(and alot of others). Dave L >First the simple one: Magnetic poles have lines of force traversing the space between them. I'm sure you knew that already. What happens if you actually cut, at a high rate of speed, the lines of force? If they carry energy, maybe that energy coud be extracted. As this list is heavy on expirimentalism, I may just try this. >Kyle R. Mcallister ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 4 01:04:01 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id AAA04750; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 00:55:32 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 00:55:32 -0700 Message-Id: <199708040756.AAA25103@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: "Free Energy" Subject: One-way transformer design Date: Sun, 3 Aug 1997 23:29:51 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"gH0pc3.0.7A1.phOvp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4675 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Greg and all, Your one way transformer is very interesting. I am taking the liberty of quoting the section from your site so that I can comment in detail. Greg says: I have detailed below some of my research into developing a One-Way Transformer. A OWT is defined as a transformer in which changes in the electrical load on the secondary are NOT seen by the primary. The OWT has been the goal of many New Energy researchers for some time. Yes, definitely mine. One-way systems are a proven reality. It is only necessary to find nearly lossless ones.   The OWT shown below transfers energy from the primary to the secondary via domain avalanches and NOT tightly coupled primary & secondary coils as in other tfx designs. As domain avalanches move thought a ferrite at approx 1.6us/mtr, a current pulse injected into the primary would take approx 240ns to reach the secondary via forward domain avalanches. The reflected secondary reverse domain avalanche (generated by the secondary's current flow into a load) would also take 240ns to reflect back to the primary. If the primary's driving pulse width is less than 480ns wide, the primary will not see the secondary's reflected domain avalanche and will not sense any change in its inductance. The design of the primary coil should be such that the coil reaches 1TC in 480ns. We don't want to generate excess heat in the coil by operating it in a saturated state. Oh, NOW I get it! I always knew there was some way of using a time delay for a one-way system but I could never figure out how. I was thinking in terms of delay lines.. It's very creative, Greg.   The use of the very thin plastic cling wrap allows the ferrite cores to restore to a known  state before the next primary current pulse. Without the thin air gap, the core would not completely relax and would "Staircase" to higher levels of core flux after each primary current pulse. The thin air gap forces the formation of poles and "discharges" the core to an unaligned/unmagnetised state. The kind of thing you don't know unless you're a magnetics engineer :-)  The OWT detailed below is NOT OverUnity in itself, but is intended to show how one of the necessary elements of a solid-state Overunity power system can be built. It is certainly a very useful way of disengaging the secondary load from the primary. I take it that it isn't overunity because the primary and secondary are themselves very lossy. Nonetheless, It illustrates an important aspect of Time, a much underappreciated subject. I have a paper by Airy, a contemporary of Lord Kelvin, who shows that a perpetual motion machine is possible if the cause and effect can be separated in time. This device seems to be operating in this fashion-- an operating principle very different from considerations of fluctuation noise. (Or maybe not.) If your domain avalanches are operating as a delay line, then it's possible that other forms of less lossy delay line would work. The use of magnetic domains may not be essential. Thanks again for the interesting ideas, Greg. Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 4 01:37:16 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id BAA01918; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 01:35:12 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 01:35:12 -0700 (PDT) Date: 04 Aug 1997 09:59:00 +0200 From: freenrg_list@sigma.sax.de (Andreas Hecht) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Message-ID: <6bCcJO39L$B@sigma.sax.de> Subject: Q: Zinsser: kinetobaric effect? X-Mailer: CrossPoint v3.11 R/B9504 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Organization: private site in germany; member of Individual Network e.V. Resent-Message-ID: <"0b6XK.0.tT.-GPvp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4676 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi all, I'm looking for information about the Zinsser phenomena, also known as 'kinetobaric effect' and discoverd by Rudolf Zinsser who is/was a german private researcher. There was also a replication done by Prof. Walter Peschka from the Deutsche Forschungsanstalt fuer Luft- und Raumfahrt (German Research Institution for Aero- and Astronautics). Anyone out there who knows more about this topic? regards, Andreas -- ahecht@sigma.sax.de Andreas Hecht Moritzburger Str. 41 +49-(0)3523 63537 voice/fax/(data) D-01640 Coswig ************************************************************************ Visit the _Borderlands of Science_! http://www.sax.de/~stalker/borderland/ (Sorry, german only at this time - english version under construction!) ************************************************************************ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 4 02:14:06 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id CAA10529; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 02:08:11 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 02:08:11 -0700 Message-Id: <199708040909.CAA20887@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: None at this time Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 02:12:32 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ITczD1.0.Qa2.wlPvp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4677 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Dave and Kyle, I hope you don't mind if I put my two cents in because this has always interested me. Of course it is commonly supposed that it takes as much energy to cut the lines as is gained from them, but is that always true in practice? Under what conditions could this rule be violated? Does anyone know of flux-gate circuits either solid state or rotational that are believed to have worked? > Hi Kyle- > What method would you use to "cut" the lines of force? And how would you > extract the energy? Dave L > > >First the simple one: Magnetic poles have lines of force traversing the > space between them. I'm sure you knew that already. What happens if you > actually cut, at a high rate of speed, > >Kyle R. Mcallister My hunch is the rate of speed is going to have as much to do with whether it works as the exact material. There might be a pattern of increased efficiency with faster flux cutting. This could have to with time delays (hysteresis) in certain rotors preventing some of the back EMF from loading the drive motor. So the geometry of the might be important too. If the knife edge is ferro metal the L is high and the edge resists changes in L, slowing it down (?) If the knife edge is diamagnetic so L is negative the effects are much different but muck weaker also. This suggests that you may be stuck with a ferro material for the knife edge. Eddy current losses will be very great in a ferro material also, so it might be best to use a ferrite wedge. There's another way to go that actually uses eddy currents-- a toothed copper disc is passed through the gap and the eddy currents block the mag fields. This isn't free energy, not by a long ways. The nature of what is to be cut has to be considered too. Suppose instead of using a standard "N across the gap to S" you have opposing magnets (S-S). We have been discussing this in another thread in reference to the Ide paper. Presumably the fields are compressed but separated in the narrow middle of the gap. A highly inductive knife going through this gap would be subject to two contradictory forces: the attraction of the ferrous material and the magnetic field, and the 2 like forces in opposition within and on the sides of the knife. This might serve to weaken the inductive countertorque on the drive motor, which seems all-important to me. Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 4 09:13:57 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id JAA13412; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 09:10:49 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 09:10:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33E60CB5.269F@sunherald.infi.net> Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 10:09:09 -0700 From: kyle Reply-To: stk@sunherald.infi.net Organization: InfiNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: None at this time References: <199708040722.AAA26782@f77.hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"HJRWl.0.OH3.6yVvp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4678 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: davelook@hotmail.com wrote: > > Hi Kyle- > What method would you use to "cut" the lines of force? And how would you > extract the energy? > BTW, I think lines of force are electrons orbiting magnetic material > externally as a whole instead of individual atoms & molecules. See > http://www.copernican-series.com for more on that idea(and alot of > others). > Dave L Hi Dave: I don't really know what method to use to cut the force lines, but thought I ought to post this idea. You never know, someday it might just be possible. As to how: I guess I'll just have to try it out with various "knives". Kyle Mcallister From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 4 09:28:11 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id JAA07684; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 09:24:41 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 09:24:41 -0700 Message-Id: <199708041626.JAA08081@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: Zinsser: kinetobaric effect? Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 02:18:48 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"sdLjm3.0.ut1.79Wvp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4679 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Andreas, I have a couple of papers about this effect I will send you, but it may be a little while, because I have a backlog. I have to confess that I don't know much about the effect, read the articles once a long time ago. Fred > Hi all, > > I'm looking for information about the Zinsser phenomena, > > Anyone out there who knows more about this topic? > > > regards, > Andreas From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 4 10:10:09 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id KAA14629; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 10:05:14 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 10:05:14 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970804120324.0069ebb4@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 12:03:24 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: Re: None at this time In-Reply-To: <33E60CB5.269F@sunherald.infi.net> References: <199708040722.AAA26782@f77.hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"qyl9C3.0.Ua3.9lWvp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4680 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Kyle, all.... At 10:09 8/4/97 -0700, kyle wrote(and I snipped): >I don't really know what method to use to cut the force lines, but >thought I ought to post this idea. You never know, someday it might just >be possible. As to how: I guess I'll just have to try it out with >various "knives". Isn't this how an alternator, or generator works...by cutting through the magnetic field with a conductor? What am I missing here? Best Regards, JD ------------------------------------- E-mail to mules@palacenet.net ------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 4 10:21:11 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id KAA17783; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 10:18:00 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 10:18:00 -0700 X-Sender: leoguitar@mail.vossnet.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: bshannon@tiac.net From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Re: Barkhausen Battery ? !! Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 18:57:12 MET Message-Id: <19970804185712.004ccdf1.in@pop3.vossnet.de> Resent-Message-ID: <"p8XFm3.0.lL4.6xWvp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4681 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >Stefan Hartmann wrote: > > >(RWW's post here) > >> >Having examined and observed a working model of the Barkhausen Battery, >> >I will attest that it works and continously and passively produces >> >current. By anyone's standards, it is overunity and as above, over >> >zero. There is no "programming" or priming with an outside power >> >source. It functions totally passively. I have completed a thorough >> >examination of this simple device and it functions as Mr. Shannon >> >claims. >> > >>=20 >> Please xplain, where you have seen this device ? > >Technically speaking, Rick did not see a true Barkhausen Effect Battery, >what Rick Wall saw, and personally tested was the very same prototype >detector you see in >the article on Bill's web page. > >A Battery version would not have the amplifier module, and would have a >much larger number of turns in the coil, a shottkey diode and a >capacitor. > I see, thanks for all the infos. Yes, I have reread your article on Beaty=B4s WEB site and now it is much= clearer to me. So, the question remains: Why does a magnetically biased steal rod with a big coil around it AT ALL shows these jumping domains ? Is there so much magnetically flux noise around us or does the earth magnetic field change a lot over time ? Maybe it would just be a converter for elcetromagnetic waves from radio ? So we would just extract radio energy via it ? >Rick tested this device in my workshop in centeral Massachusetts, on a >visit to evaulate several similar devices. >=20 >> Who did build it and what did you measure ? > >I built it. I'll let Rick Wall discuss the testing he performed and >observed. > Okay, sounds good. I guess, if the right materials could be found this could get a real= interesting effect to scalke it up and to extract much more power and maybe=20 violate the 2nd Law, cause it could run the magnetic steel rod material cool= ? Regards, Stefan. P.S.: Is there anywhere else an easy description, what SCALAR WAVEs are and what they can used for and what the main difference versus electromagnetic waves are and if they are really for REAL ? I thought until now, it is just a theory and there is no proof they really exist ?? -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 4 10:28:55 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id KAA25295; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 10:22:44 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 10:22:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: "Stefan Hartmann" X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Re: How Stefan Marinov died... Cc: newman-l@emachine.com Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 19:17:12 MET Message-Id: <19970804191712.005f1d3b.in@pop3.vossnet.de> Resent-Message-ID: <"2POfC.0._A6.H_Wvp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4682 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi, I just received this from Adolf Schneider. I will translate it tommorow into english language. Regards, STefan. >>From schneide@ens.ascom.ch Mon Aug 04 18:47:20 1997 >Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 09:07:59 +0100 >From: Schneider Adolf >Reply-To: schneide@ens.ascom.ch >Organization: Ascom Business Systems AG >To: harti@harti.de >Subject: Tod Stefan Marinovs >X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by shell2.ba.best.com id AAA00360 > >Hallo, Stefan > >Zum Tod von Stefan Marinov gibt es derzeit 2 Artikel in "Kleine Zeitung" >(Graz, Steiermark, Oesterreich).=20 > >1. Meldung: 27.7.1997, S. 17 > >Physiker-Legende > >Graz.- Wie erst jetzt bekannt wurde, hat der Physiker Stefan Marinov vor >einigen Tagen Selbstmord veruebt. Marinov, ein gebuertiger Bulgare, der >jahrelang gegen die Diktaturen des Ostens kaempfte, eingekerkert und >dann staatenlos erklaert wurde, kam schliesslich nach Graz. Zuletzt >hatte der 66jaehrige Physiker versucht, "Luecken in den derzeit >geltenden physikalischen Gesetzen" zu finden. > >2. Meldung: 1.8.1997, S. 15 > >Graz.- Zu Geruechten hat der Tod des Physikers Stefan Marinov gefuehrt, >der sich am 15. Juli von der TU-Bibliothek stuerzte. Manche vermuteten, >der Vorfall sei gezielt verschwiegen worden. Tatsache ist, dass >Selbstmorde von der Polizei nicht veroeffentlicht werden. Die >Staatsanwaltschaft bestaetigte gestern gegen=FCber der Kleinen Zeitung den >Selbstmord. Auch die Kriminalpolizei konnte Fremdverschulden >ausschliessen. Marinov hinterliess einen Brief, in dem er in sechs >Zeilen erklaerte, welcher Schluessel zu welchem Schloss passt. Dazu gibt >es einen kyrillischen Text. Die Bestattung vermutet, dass der >hochbegabte Wissenschaftler, der zuletzt Einsteins Gesetze wiederlegen >wollte, ein Fuersorgebegraebnis erhaelt und seine Urne nach Bulgarien >ueberstellt wird. Sein Sohn wird fuer Montag erwartet. > >Hinweise an Stefan Hartmann: > >K=F6nnten Sie diesen Text ins Englische uebersetzen und ins Internet >einspeisen? > >Zu meiner ersten Meldung: Stefan wurde am Tag vor seinem Tod gegen 16.00 >Uhr von dem Erfinder Joerg Deisting (nicht Deistl) besucht, der nichts >besonderes bei Stefan bemerkt hatte, allerdings fiel ihm der >ungew=F6hnlich ordentlich aufger=E4umte Schreibtisch auf. > >Stefan war noch 15 Tage vor seinem Tod bei P.T. Pappas in Griechenland >anlaesslich einer Tagung. Pappas war einer seiner engsten Freunde. Sie >f=FChrten miteinander Fachgespr=E4che. Danach versuchte Pappas mehrfach, >Stefan telefonisch zu erreichen, doch er war offenbar nicht zu Hause. 2 >Tage vor seinem Tod, am 13.7.97, erhielt Pappas ein Tape und einen Brief >von Stefan. > >Vielleicht kann Pappas noch Hinweise f=FCr das Motiv des Selbstmords von >Stefan geben. Seine Adresse:=20 >Prof. P.T. Pappas, >Markopulioti 28 >Athens 11744, Greece, >e-mail pappasp@ibm.com >Tel. ++301-9010355 >Fax. ++301-9011620 > >Weitere Auskunft kann vielleicht auch geben sein Freund und >Germanistik-Student der Uni Graz: pfandl@gewi.kfunigraz.ac.at >sowie sein Bekannter Dipl.-Ing. Schneeberger schneebe@sftgraz.co.at > >Ich selbst habe inzwischen benachrichtigt: >- Christoph Bodner >- Muller, Florida >- Wesley, Blumberg/Deutschland >- Hans Weber, Schweiz > > >MfG > > >Adolf > > > -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 4 11:14:31 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id LAA01002; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 11:11:45 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 11:11:45 -0700 Message-ID: <33E64479.7F7E@tiac.net> Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 14:07:05 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Reply-To: bshannon@tiac.net Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Barkhausen Battery ? !! References: <19970804185712.004ccdf1.in@pop3.vossnet.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"npJ3I.0.YF.VjXvp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4683 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Stefan Hartmann wrote: > >> Please xplain, where you have seen this device ? > > > >Technically speaking, Rick did not see a true Barkhausen Effect Battery, > >what Rick Wall saw, and personally tested was the very same prototype > >detector you see in > >the article on Bill's web page. > > > >A Battery version would not have the amplifier module, and would have a > >much larger number of turns in the coil, a shottkey diode and a > >capacitor. > > > > I see, thanks for all the infos. > > Yes, I have reread your article on Beaty´s WEB site and now it is much clearer > to me. > > So, the question remains: > > Why does a magnetically biased steal rod with a big coil around it > AT ALL shows these jumping domains ? In the works of T.E. Baearden, there is a discussion of an effect where a shielded permanent magnet's field will be weakly modulated by any scalar waves that pass through the sheilding and magnet. This phenomena is described as being the basis for a form of scalar detector which Mr. Bearden describes as the "Dea/Faretto" detector, but I know of another researchers who claims that this design is actually his work, rather than that of Dea and Faretto's. So, if these scalar waves do pass through shielding, and if thay do produce weak modulations of the shielded magnets field, then biasing a highly non-linear magnetic material at its most critical point should allow us to see this weak, scalar induced magnetic modulation. Indeed, the Barkhausen effect detector, and Barkhausen effect battery do show that the domains do not reach equlibrium as we might expect. Some claim that this is due to thermal noise alone, but I have been unable to effect the background domain transition rate by freezing the detector in a solid block of ice. The fact that the detector, no matter how well shielded, responds to externally generated "scalar" events clearly shows that SOMETHING is indeed passing through the shielding, just as is described of these so called scalar waves, and that it is also modulating the field of the magnet, just as Mr. Bearden describes. > Is there so much magnetically flux noise around us or does the earth > magnetic field change a lot over time ? The magnetic shielding is quite good, and the finished detector assembly is often placed inside a second Faraday cage, so I do not think that the Earths geomagnetic field is causing the domain transitions. This could not explain the detection of carefully modulated signals by these detectors. (This observation has been confirmed by several builders of this detector.) > Maybe it would just be a converter for elcetromagnetic waves > from radio ? So we would just extract radio energy via it ? But the detector is completely shielded from EM waves! > >Rick tested this device in my workshop in centeral Massachusetts, on a > >visit to evaulate several similar devices. > > > >> Who did build it and what did you measure ? > > > >I built it. I'll let Rick Wall discuss the testing he performed and > >observed. > > > > Okay, sounds good. > > I guess, if the right materials could be found this could get a real interesting > effect to scalke it up and to extract much more power and maybe > violate the 2nd Law, cause it could run the magnetic steel rod material cool ? The second law is not violated by the Barkhausen Effect Battery! It is an open system, having its magnet weakly modulated by background scalar radiation. The second law does not apply to any open systems. > Regards, Stefan. > > P.S.: Is there anywhere else an easy description, what SCALAR WAVEs > are and what they can used for and what the main difference versus > electromagnetic waves are and if they are really for REAL ? You really need to read T.E. Bearden's "Towards a New Electromagnetics" which is in several parts. These are avaiable from Tesla Book Co. > I thought until now, it is just a theory and there is no proof they really > exist ?? Many people beleive that this is the case. There are many experimenters who have been working with scalar technology for many years now, and there are a lot of well conducted experiments that cannot be understood by conventional theory alone. Personally, I beleive that the core of what Mr. Bearden describes is supported by exprimental evidence, and that scalar waves are quite real indeed. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 4 11:31:41 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id LAA06500; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 11:29:22 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 11:29:22 -0700 Message-Id: <199708041742.KAA06970@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: "Free Energy" Subject: The Original Coler Experments Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 10:45:17 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"-p1_-1.0.Ob1.0-Xvp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4684 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi folks! I have been thinking about what experiments should be done in relationship to the Coler devices. It strikes me that the first thing we should do is rather obvious-- the repetition of the experiments that Coler created to test his own theories. I have been examining one experiment in particular, please refer to page 23-24 of the original BIOS document at this URL: http://www.algonet.se/~johnnyfg/hcoler/hcoler3.htm The use of secondaries wound in opposite sense is characteristic of a parametric transformer.( I will assume that the solenoids had a ferrous component.) Under these conditions I would expect a pulsed DC output. The pulsed DC in the primary drives the cores up the B/H curve and the L drops. There is a small random current due to noise fluctuations in the output circuit around both cores. In order to conserve energy in the noise current, as the L drops, the current must increase. In a parametric transformer the output depends on whether there is resonance or not. In the nonresonant case you see short current pulses, representing these momentary amplifications of noise. I would expect that resonance is "the means which we shall not go into here". The fact that the testers didn't see these results indicates to me that they set up the experiment wrong, or didn't have a high enough sensitivity in their instruments. This leads me to wonder, which of these other experiments do we need to do again? I think-- all of them. I welcome your suggestions as to which ones go first. BTW, I am not here suggesting that the Coler devices are parametric, I am only using this experiment as an example of possible testing error. Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 4 12:54:31 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id MAA30184; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 12:53:03 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 12:53:03 -0700 Message-Id: <199708041954.MAA11385@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: None at this time Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 11:05:05 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"k_aqT.0.XN7.TCZvp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4685 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Jack, Kyle, all, Jack wrote: > Hi Kyle, all.... > > At 10:09 8/4/97 -0700, kyle wrote(and I snipped): > >I don't really know what method to use to cut the force lines, > Isn't this how an alternator, or generator works...by cutting > through the magnetic field with a conductor? > > What am I missing here? I think the difference between this and normal induction is that a permanent magnet is the source of the mag field and the energy to create induction is supplied by a rotating flux knife or shield. The question is whether rotating this shield can be done with less energy than is produced by the induction. Fred > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 4 12:56:01 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id MAA23884; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 12:54:17 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 12:54:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708041954.MAA26642@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: Barkhausen Battery ? !! Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 11:27:27 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"2F3dd3.0.5r5.eDZvp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4686 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi everyone, Stefan Hartmann wrote: > So, the question remains: > > Why does a magnetically biased steal rod with a big coil around it > AT ALL shows these jumping domains ? there would always be random domain jumping because of thermal noise. The net energy would still be zero normally, but in this case, POSSIBLY, the biasing field puts the domains in an unstable or avalanche condition caused by their cooperative behavior, so that they shift in large groups and can induce a voltage. A guess... > > Is there so much magnetically flux noise around us or does the earth > magnetic field change a lot over time ? There IS a great deal of magnetic flux noise going on, as I recall like most noise curves it has a higher power density the lower you go in the spectrum. A ferromagnetic flux concentrator could pick this up and turn it into power, especially if it had a very high BW. I don't think this is what's happening in Bob's detector/battery, though, because of the good shielding. > > > I guess, if the right materials could be found this could get a real interesting > effect to scalke it up and to extract much more power and maybe > violate the 2nd Law, cause it could run the magnetic steel rod material cool ? I have though of a number of ways to "jazz up" the Barkhausen battery if you're interested. Most of them violate the best feature of the device, its totally static nature. Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 4 15:43:30 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id PAA20462; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 15:41:42 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 15:41:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve_Kirkman_at_BI-USA@astec.com Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 15:38:53 -0700 Encoding: 18 Text To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Barkhausen Battery ? !! Message-Id: <97Aug4.161526pdt.23044@firewall.astec.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"Psbkp2.0.d_4.Zgbvp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4687 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Fred wrote in part: >I have though of a number of ways to "jazz up" the Barkhausen battery if you're interested. Most of them violate the best feature of the device, its totally static nature. Fred > I would be most interested in your ideas, and would be very grateful if you would post them. Just a thought, could you wire several in parallel to run a circuit or small motor? TIA, Steve Kirkman From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 4 15:45:27 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id PAA21053; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 15:44:15 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 15:44:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33E65987.1C21@microtronics.com.au> Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 08:06:55 +0930 From: Greg Watson Reply-To: gwatson@microtronics.com.au Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Fwd: Re: The IDE paper] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------68D63B8F14AA" Resent-Message-ID: <"7YvS23.0.q85.vibvp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4688 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------68D63B8F14AA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Phone / PC Fax ...... 61 8 8270 2737 E-mail .............. gwatson@microtronics.com.au Home Page ........... Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson --------------68D63B8F14AA Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-ID: <33E559AC.F0305A30@microtronics.com.au> Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 13:55:16 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: List Server Vortex Subject: Re: The IDE paper X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Stuart Rae wrote: > > I've tried to download this paper from Greg's site, but my poor old computer > can't handle all the pixels, and just turns white. > > Thanks, > > Stuart Rae Hi Stuart, It's NOT your system's fault. Seems my new graphic package doesn't like GIF89 too much. I have reconverted the images and confirmed they will download OK. Sorry for the hastle. Try it NOW. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Phone / PC Fax ...... 61 8 8270 2737 E-mail .............. gwatson@microtronics.com.au Home Page ........... Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson --------------68D63B8F14AA-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 4 16:47:01 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id QAA24146; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 16:46:12 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 16:46:12 -0700 Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 18:45:09 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199708042345.SAA25562@firefly.prairienet.org> From: w9sz@prairienet.org (Zack Widup) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: None at this time Reply-To: w9sz@prairienet.org Resent-Message-ID: <"Y66M83.0.7v5.1dcvp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4689 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > >Fred Epps wrote: >> >> Hi, Kyle, >> >> You've got my curiosity.. exactly what is a DST and what do you mean by >> magnetic force cutting? >> >> Fred > >Hello Fred: > >First the simple one: Magnetic poles have lines of force traversing the >space between them. I'm sure you knew that already. What happens if you >actually cut, at a high rate of speed, the lines of force? If they carry >energy, maybe that energy coud be extracted. As this list is heavy on >expirimentalism, I may just try this. > >Now the in-depth one: DST=Double Spin Torus (fully: Double spin-toroidal >drive) It's way too in depth to post here, but you can learn everything >about it (almost) at the following website: > >http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/bluesilv/ > >Kyle R. Mcallister > > Hi, Out of the list of books I just posted here a week or so ago, I'd like to emphasize TAPPING THE ZERO-POINT ENERGY by Moray B. King as one of the most highly recommended. He gets into this exact subject in the book, with some interesting configurations in his drawings. Zack -- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 4 16:51:25 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id QAA25715; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 16:51:03 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 16:51:03 -0700 Message-Id: <199708042352.QAA00451@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: "Free Energy" Subject: Time Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 16:55:18 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"wfvQS1.0.iH6.chcvp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4690 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Folks! As Greg's recent one-way transformer design illustrates, it is easy to prevent loading by separating cause from effect with a time period longer than the time constant of the system. Picture a flywheel. Apply a torque. The energy of the torque is stored in the flywheel. There is no loading except for friction, only a conversion of the energy into another form. Now at a later time extract the energy through a generator. There is no effect of this extraction on the original torque. Cause and effect have been effectively separated by the reactive storage medium, that is, by time. The same thing could be done with a resonant circuit and some switching. Obviously this is not overunity but it shows that Greg's idea is one case among many along this line. It is a general principle rather than a single invention. A few years ago I came up with a time-based overunity device. Later I found out that someone else had tried something similar, but I never heard the results. In its simplest form it was a battery, a load, a switch, and a long noninductive wire. The current flowed from the battery through the load first, then the long wire, then the switch, then the battery return. When the switch was closed, as far as I can tell an instantanous electrostatic scalar potential is set up in the circuit, then the current travels at a velocity determined by a time constant, assumed to be the velocity of light in this simplified description. The current goes around the circuit powering the load, travelling down the long wire-- then the switch is opened! What happens to the current at that instant? (I assume the circuit is as noninductive as possible). If we use a charged capacitor instead of a battery the situation becomes clearer. The cap has a certain charge. The question is, if no neutralizing charge is ever allowd to flow back to the cap, what happens? Does the cap discharge anyway through the resistance of the load? Or is the energy of the cap conserved even as the load is powered? I'm not sure if this is a real paradox or just my misunderstanding of how energy travels through a wire, never did get that Poynting vector thing..., but if it is then it can be resolved, if one wishes, by saying that the energy of the circuit actually travels at velocities much higher than light. I asked Tom Bearden about this idea and he began discoursing on the collectors in his overunity circuit, which was in the ballpark of my question, but I still didn't understand why all that stuff was necessary since time already exists as a means to keep everything from happening at once :-) I have not read Jeffimenkos excellent book on EM and Causation but from scattered references I gather that he some points that relate to all this. We often consider that electricity or magnetism cause one another in some situation, but they are really two faces of one simultaneous phenomena. (Someone correct me if I've misunderstood Jeffimenko). The electron flow and the magnetic fields are like particle and wave, not like sequential events. If they CAN be made sequential then it is fairly easy to separate out the effects of back EMF for instance. I know I'm not the only person to be thinking along these lines. I would like to start a general discussion of what time is, what sorts of experiments might show observable changes in the flow of time, and what relevance it has to the control or generation of excess energy. Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 4 16:51:40 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id QAA25833; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 16:51:17 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 16:51:17 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970804185137.006a39e8@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 18:51:37 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: Re: None at this time In-Reply-To: <199708041954.MAA11385@mail1.halcyon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"MGyKT2.0.WJ6.phcvp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4691 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Fred, all... At 11:05 8/4/97 -0700, Fred wrote: >I think the difference between this and normal induction is that a >permanent magnet is the source of the mag field and the energy to create >induction is supplied by a rotating flux knife or shield. >The question is whether rotating this shield can be done with less energy >than is produced by the induction. Thanks! Now I understand. I think the success of such a device would require the shutter to be fabricated from such material that; attenuates a magnetic field...(duh!), is a non-conductor. Otherwise eddy currents would be induced in the shutter. Possibly a ferrite material might work? Unfortunately, most ferrites saturate at fairly low field strengths. This idea reminds me of radiant energy, or electrostatic field, choppers. The advantage that occurs to me in using a flux chopper (besides being whizzey) is the elimination of any switches, or brushes. Once you built a flux chopper, you could use it to intermittently charge a core, as the primary winding does in a conventional flyback converter. It's something to ponder. Interesting idea. Best Regards, JD ------------------------------------- E-mail to mules@palacenet.net ------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 4 17:04:06 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id RAA07920; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 17:02:05 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 17:02:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33E66C14.A3E2280A@pacbell.net> Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 16:56:13 -0700 From: Mark Holden Organization: Two Heads Computer Services X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Barkhausen Battery ? !! X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <19970804185712.004ccdf1.in@pop3.vossnet.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"FrNX63.0.Zx1.wrcvp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4692 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: My $0.02 worth. From what I read below this sure sounds like my toy crystal radio set.. a coil a cap and a diode.. generates power passively. Hmmmmm Stefan Hartmann wrote: > >Stefan Hartmann wrote: > > > > > >(RWW's post here) > > > >> >Having examined and observed a working model of the Barkhausen > Battery, > >> >I will attest that it works and continously and passively produces > > >> >current. By anyone's standards, it is overunity and as above, > over > >> >zero. There is no "programming" or priming with an outside power > >> >source. It functions totally passively. I have completed a > thorough > >> >examination of this simple device and it functions as Mr. Shannon > >> >claims. > >> > > >> > >> Please xplain, where you have seen this device ? > > > >Technically speaking, Rick did not see a true Barkhausen Effect > Battery, > >what Rick Wall saw, and personally tested was the very same prototype > > >detector you see in > >the article on Bill's web page. > > > >A Battery version would not have the amplifier module, and would have > a > >much larger number of turns in the coil, a shottkey diode and a > >capacitor. > > > > I see, thanks for all the infos. > > Yes, I have reread your article on Beaty´s WEB site and now it is much > clearer > to me. > > So, the question remains: > > Why does a magnetically biased steal rod with a big coil around it > AT ALL shows these jumping domains ? > > Is there so much magnetically flux noise around us or does the earth > magnetic field change a lot over time ? > > Maybe it would just be a converter for elcetromagnetic waves > from radio ? So we would just extract radio energy via it ? > > >Rick tested this device in my workshop in centeral Massachusetts, on > a > >visit to evaulate several similar devices. > > > >> Who did build it and what did you measure ? > > > >I built it. I'll let Rick Wall discuss the testing he performed and > >observed. > > > > Okay, sounds good. > > I guess, if the right materials could be found this could get a real > interesting > effect to scalke it up and to extract much more power and maybe > violate the 2nd Law, cause it could run the magnetic steel rod > material cool ? > > Regards, Stefan. > > P.S.: Is there anywhere else an easy description, what SCALAR WAVEs > are and what they can used for and what the main difference versus > electromagnetic waves are and if they are really for REAL ? > > I thought until now, it is just a theory and there is no proof they > really > exist ?? > -- > Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann > Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany > Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 > email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 4 17:06:42 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id RAA29376; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 17:06:12 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 17:06:12 -0700 Message-ID: <33E66D0F.5B4E52C8@microtronics.com.au> Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 09:30:15 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Time X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199708042352.QAA00451@mail1.halcyon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"cOtQc3.0.oA7.ovcvp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4693 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Fred Epps wrote: > > If they CAN be made sequential then it is fairly easy to separate > out the effects of back EMF for instance. > > I know I'm not the only person to be thinking along these lines. I > would like to start a general discussion of what time is, what sorts of > experiments might show observable changes in the flow of time, and what > relevance it has to the control or generation of excess energy. > > Fred Hi Fred, You are on to the other half of the PMOD. You CAN separate the initial coil current from the back emf produced by the aligned domains in the ferrite core. Just keep thinking about how current initially flows in a coil, how and when the coil's H field is produced, how and when the ferrite's domains start aligning and producing their B field, how and when the domains B field produces a back emf in the coil, what the effect of the initial back emf is on the coils current and so forth. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Phone / PC Fax ...... 61 8 8270 2737 E-mail .............. gwatson@microtronics.com.au Home Page ........... Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 4 17:53:44 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id RAA18251; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 17:49:24 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 17:49:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708050049.RAA32193@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: Barkhausen Battery ? !! Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 17:52:18 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ktNwG2.0.-S4.FYdvp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4694 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Steve and all, > I would be most interested in your ideas, and would > be very grateful if you would post them I can give you my ideas as long as you remember that the B-battery was Bob's invention, and that none of my ideas are tested. A few things to know about the Barkhausen effect. The magnitude of effect varies a lot depending on the specific material. Bob has found some very "magnetically dirty" old transformer cores that give good results, but I am still trying to find out what commercially available materials have the highest B-noise. Understandably it is not something that manufacturers advertise :-) From my reading so far, 50% nickel-iron alloy was tested to have the highest B-noise, but that was an old book. This is very interesting because similar alloys have the highest variation of magnetic field with current applied through the core in our discussions of the Coler devices. There seems to be something about the magnetic moment of the nickel atom. Also, each material specimen that shows B-noise has a characteristic noise power spectrum. It seems to me that it would be best to work on the peak noise frequency. What I propose is: 1) magnetically biasing the core as Bob suggests. 2) also adding a large coil with many windings around the B-hausen core. This winding would be fed with a VERY weak AC signal, just enough to create the magnetic field in the winding that causes one B-hausen domain jump in the core. The winding would be driven at the B-hausen frequency of the core. (This may not be the most effective frequency). 3) A large pickup coil would be at right angles to the drive coil, so that it would not load it. It would be connected to the Schottky diode or other converting circuitry, and provide the inductive output. Remember the B-hausen noise is a form of core loss and is not in itself free energy, unless the energy needed to excite the domain jumps is less than the output. So the driving circuitry needs to be as energy conserving and minimal as possible. You definitely could increase the output by putting them in series or parallel, but I think that the output of the single device needs to be improved, otherwise the B-battery will always be a scientific curiosity but not a practical machine. Another way to go is to feed the output of one of these batteries back into itself somehow. I've been told by Bob that he doesn't think that the output voltage is enough to drive an exciting coil directly. There must be some way to do it so there is an amplifying effect with each cycle, but this will only occur if the B-noise power is sufficient to overcome resistance, and this implies outside excitation. One could skip the electric effects altogether and layer thin sheets of a square loop ferrite or other material between your silicon iron and magnetically bias the whole mess so that the random changes in the B-noise would cause larger changes in the mu of the ferrite, shifting its permeability widely with a small change in field intensity. The take-off coil can be tuned to the permeability changes rather than inductively to increase output (maybe). So this device would be made of three materials: The hard magnetic material of the magnet, the noisy material, and a sheath of a manganese zinc or square loop ferrite material. The permanent magnet biases both the noisy material and the sheath. This would be tricky to do in practice and power output is small. well, hope this interests you :-) Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 4 18:35:26 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id SAA20451; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 18:34:33 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 18:34:33 -0700 Message-ID: <33E68079.1746CB7F@ihug.co.nz> Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 13:23:06 +1200 From: John Berry X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Barkhausen Battery ? !! X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <19970804185712.004ccdf1.in@pop3.vossnet.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"K0tti.0.S_4.eCevp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4695 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > >Stefan Hartmann wrote: > > > > > >(RWW's post here) > > > >> >Having examined and observed a working model of the Barkhausen > Battery, > >> >I will attest that it works and continously and passively produces > > >> >current. By anyone's standards, it is overunity and as above, > over > >> >zero. There is no "programming" or priming with an outside power > >> >source. It functions totally passively. I have completed a > thorough > >> >examination of this simple device and it functions as Mr. Shannon > >> >claims. > >> > > >> > >> Please xplain, where you have seen this device ? > > > >Technically speaking, Rick did not see a true Barkhausen Effect > Battery, > >what Rick Wall saw, and personally tested was the very same prototype > > >detector you see in > >the article on Bill's web page. > > > >A Battery version would not have the amplifier module, and would have > a > >much larger number of turns in the coil, a shottkey diode and a > >capacitor. > > > > I see, thanks for all the infos. > > Yes, I have reread your article on Beaty´s WEB site and now it is much > clearer > to me. > > So, the question remains: > > Why does a magnetically biased steal rod with a big coil around it > AT ALL shows these jumping domains ? > > Is there so much magnetically flux noise around us or does the earth > magnetic field change a lot over time ? > > Maybe it would just be a converter for elcetromagnetic waves > from radio ? So we would just extract radio energy via it ? > > >Rick tested this device in my workshop in centeral Massachusetts, on > a > >visit to evaulate several similar devices. > > > >> Who did build it and what did you measure ? > > > >I built it. I'll let Rick Wall discuss the testing he performed and > >observed. > > > > Okay, sounds good. > > I guess, if the right materials could be found this could get a real > interesting > effect to scalke it up and to extract much more power and maybe > violate the 2nd Law, cause it could run the magnetic steel rod > material cool ? > > Regards, Stefan. > > P.S.: Is there anywhere else an easy description, what SCALAR WAVEs > are and what they can used for and what the main difference versus > electromagnetic waves are and if they are really for REAL ? > > I thought until now, it is just a theory and there is no proof they > really > exist ?? > -- Could you induce a fluctuation with sound or the like inducing more energy with out any BACK E.M.F.? or would you need a low frequency fluctuator? That reminds me, I have a good idea on how to create a scalar wave if anyone wants to hear it. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 4 19:34:14 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id TAA09644; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 19:33:36 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 19:33:36 -0700 Message-Id: <199708050234.TAA01026@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: Time Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 19:38:33 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"OQn763.0.WM2.-3fvp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4697 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Greg and all, > Just keep thinking about how current initially flows in a coil, how and > when the coil's H field is produced, how and when the ferrite's domains > start aligning and producing their B field, how and when the domains B > field produces a back emf in the coil, what the effect of the initial > back emf is on the coils current and so forth. Keep on thinking? will do! :-) BTW Greg what do you think about the idea that this phenomena is not specific to magnetic systems but can be generalized to all delay or storage systems? Electromagnetics has the potential of having the lowest losses, but the idea seems to extend to more "fields" than that :-) Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 4 19:36:25 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id TAA14937; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 19:34:39 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 19:34:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708050234.TAA05695@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: Barkhausen Battery ? !! Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 19:24:40 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"y65AV3.0.Ff3.y4fvp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4696 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: ---------- > From: Mark Holden > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: Barkhausen Battery ? !! > Date: Monday, August 04, 1997 4:56 PM > > My $0.02 worth. From what I read below this sure sounds like my toy > crystal radio set.. a coil a cap and a diode.. generates power > passively. Hmmmmm. It could be except for the shielding. There isn't any EM energy to speak of going into the coil. It is highly shielded as you can see from the description on the website. Jack Demule has suggested that better shielding might be necessary to truly test for the effect, but its pretty good as it is. Besides, the crystal radio was how they built the pyramids wasn't it? Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 4 20:02:17 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id UAA23407; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 20:01:44 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 20:01:44 -0700 Message-ID: <33E6977E.A3FD62F5@pacbell.net> Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 20:01:22 -0700 From: Mark Holden Organization: Two Heads Computer Services X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Barkhausen Battery ? !! X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199708050234.TAA05695@mail1.halcyon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"8kH8W3.0.aj5.NUfvp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4698 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Fred Epps wrote: > ---------- > > From: Mark Holden > > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > Subject: Re: Barkhausen Battery ? !! > > Date: Monday, August 04, 1997 4:56 PM > > > > My $0.02 worth. From what I read below this sure sounds like my toy > > crystal radio set.. a coil a cap and a diode.. generates power > > passively. Hmmmmm. > > It could be except for the shielding. There isn't any EM energy to > speak of > going into the coil. It is highly shielded as you can see from the > description on the website. Jack Demule has suggested that better > shielding > might be necessary to truly test for the effect, but its pretty good > as it > is. > Besides, the crystal radio was how they built the pyramids wasn't it? > > Fred Actually I was wondering what size coil and what if any type of core I would use to get the most radio energy for a modified crystal detector. next you make a cascade of diodes and capaciters to raise the voltage.. next you charge your 9v nicad powered radio with it for emergancys!! I was also curious what type of capaciter was used in this detector since eletrolytic caps never read 0 volts cause they use electrolyte and are very weak batterys. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 4 20:31:33 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id UAA28222; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 20:29:39 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 20:29:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33E69B20.CD4F6268@ihug.co.nz> Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 15:16:49 +1200 From: John Berry X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: The Original Coler Experments X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199708041742.KAA06970@mail1.halcyon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"9CIj-3.0.ru6.Uufvp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4699 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Fred Epps wrote: > Hi folks! > > I have been thinking about what experiments should be done in > relationship to the Coler devices. It strikes me that the first thing > we > should do is rather obvious-- the repetition of the experiments that > Coler > created to test his own theories. > I have been examining one experiment in particular, please refer to > page > 23-24 of the original BIOS document at this URL: > > http://www.algonet.se/~johnnyfg/hcoler/hcoler3.htm > > The use of secondaries wound in opposite sense is characteristic of > a > parametric transformer.( I will assume that the solenoids had a > ferrous > component.) Under these conditions I would expect a pulsed DC > output. The > pulsed DC in the primary drives the cores up the B/H curve and the L > drops. > There is a small random current due to noise fluctuations in the > output > circuit around both cores. In order to conserve energy in the noise > current, as the L drops, the current must increase. In a parametric > transformer the output depends on whether there is resonance or not. > In > the nonresonant case you see short current pulses, representing these > momentary amplifications of noise. > > I would expect that resonance is "the means which we shall not go into > > here". > > The fact that the testers didn't see these results indicates to me > that > they set up the experiment wrong, or didn't have a high enough > sensitivity > in their instruments. > > This leads me to wonder, which of these other experiments do we need > to do > again? > > I think-- all of them. I welcome your suggestions as to which ones go > > first. > > BTW, I am not here suggesting that the Coler devices are parametric, I > am > only using this experiment as an example of possible testing error. > > Fred In order to prevent any possible objection, that the iron had any influence on the results, the whole transformer was cut out during the experiments and an iron-free flat coil arrangement used as the inductor during the experiments. This eliminated all interference and had excellent transmission properties. The required sensitivity was attained in these measurements by using a thermopile with the most sensitive milliammeter. After many trials, the motor-driven interrupter of a Bosch ignition magnet was used as make-and-break. This gave very uniform and smooth interruption with a frequency of 100 c/s. The result obtained with this experimental arrangement, which already eliminated all the possible causes of later objections, was the clear proof of a considerably larger energy during opening (intake), compared with closing impulses. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 4 20:42:50 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id UAA00978; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 20:41:17 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 20:41:17 -0700 Message-ID: <33E69E07.47DFF4A5@ihug.co.nz> Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 15:29:12 +1200 From: John Berry X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: NASA Paper X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <33E56D7D.5F3D@sunherald.infi.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"p4rAX2.0.AF.S3gvp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4700 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: kyle wrote: > Hi all: > > Here's a NASA paper thats pretty interesting: > > NASA Technical Memorandum E-10365 > "The Challenge to Create The Space Drive" > > Contact Marg G. Millis for copies > > marc.g.millis@lerc.nasa.gov > > Kyle Mcallister > > "The secrets of flight will not be mastered within our lifetime...not > within a thousand years." > -Wilbur Wright (1901) New theories have emerged suggesting that gravitational and inertial forces are caused by interactions with the electromagnetic fluctuations of the vacuum [1, 2]. There have also been studies suggesting experimental tests for mass-altering affects [3], and a theory suggesting a “warp drive” [4]. With the emergence of such new possibilities, it may be time to revisit the notion of creating the visionary “space drive.” Space drive, as defined here, is an idealized form of propulsion where the fundamental properties of matter and spacetime are used to create propulsive forces anywhere in space without having to carry and expel a reaction mass. Such an achievement would revolutionize space travel as it would circumvent the present constraint of requiring propellant. Without such a discovery, human interstellar exploration may not be possible [5]. One of the missing prerequisites to achieving this breakthrough is having a starting point for the research; a description of the specific problems to be solved. Without this first step of the Scientific Method there is no framework against which to assess, augment, and apply emerging science to the goal of creating a space drive. To provide such a starting point, a variety of hypothetical space drives are presented and analyzed to identify the specific problems that have to be solved to make such schemes plausible. 2. PROBLEM FORMULATION METHOD A NASA precedent for systematically seeking revolutionary capabilities is the “Horizon Mission Methodology” [6]. This method forces paradigm shifts beyond extrapolations of existing technologies by using impossible hypothetical mission goals to solicit new solutions. By setting impossible goals, the common practice of limiting visions to extrapolations of existing solutions is prevented. This method forces one to look beyond existing methods and specify the technologies and sciences that are genuinely needed to solve the problem, whether the solutions exist yet or not. The theme of the Horizon Mission Methodology is followed here. The “impossible” goal targeted in this exercise is to create a space drive. In the spirit of the Horizon Methodology, the envisioned propulsion methods can entertain the possibility of physics yet to be discovered. However, to ensure that the envisioned methods are consistent with firmly established physics, the analysis imposes the constraints of conservation of momentum and energy, and requires that observed natural phenomena are not contradicted. From imposing these constraints, the characteristics needed to make space drives plausible can be identified. Seven different hypothetical propulsion concepts were created for this exercise. These concepts were envisioned by considering analogies to collision forces and interactions with fields to produce net forces. 3. HYPOTHETICAL COLLISION SAILS One means to produce force is collisions. Conventional rocket propulsion is fundamentally based on the collisions between the propellant and the rocket. These collisions thrust the rocket in one direction and the propellant in the other. To entertain the analogy of collision forces for a space drive, consider the supposition that space contains a background of some form of isotropic media that is constantly impinging on all sides of a vehicle. This media could be a collection of randomly moving particles or electromagnetic waves, either of which possess momentum. If the collisions on the front of a vehicle could be lessened and/or the collisions on the back enhanced, a net propulsive force would result. Three variations of such a hypothetical collision-sail are illustrated in figures 1 through 3. In all these illustrations, the rectangle represents a cross sectional element of the sail and the wavy lines represent impinging waves of the isotropic radiative media. The large arrow indicates the direction of acceleration. Fig. 1 Hypothetical Differential Sail Analogous to the principles of an ideal radiometer vane, a net difference in radiation pressure exists across the reflecting and absorbing sides. Fig. 2 Hypothetical Diode Sail Analogous to a diode or one-way mirror, space radiation passes through one direction and reflects from the other creating a net difference in radiation pressure. Fig. 3 Hypothetical Induction Sail Analogous to creating a pressure gradient in a fluid, the energy density of the impinging radiation is raised behind the sail and lowered in front of the sail to create a net difference in radiation pressure across the sail. For any of these concepts to work, there must be a real background media in space. This media must have a sufficiently large energy or mass density, must exist equally and isotropically across all space, and there must be a controllable means to alter the collisions with this media to propel the vehicle. A high energy or mass density is required to provide sufficient radiation pressure or reaction momentum within a reasonable sail area. The requirement that the media exist equally and isotropically across all space is to ensure that the propulsion device will work anywhere and in any direction in space. The requirement that there must be a controllable means to alter the collisions ensures that a controllable propulsive effect can be created. The supposition that space contains isotropic media is reasonable. Space contains electromagnetic fluctuations of the vacuum, also called the Zero Point Fluctuations (ZPF), [7] Cosmic Background Radiation (CBR) [8], free hydrogen (protons) [9], the theoretically suggested virtual pairs [10] and possibly even dark matter [11]. Whether any of these media has all the characteristics needed to be used as a propulsive media remains a subject for future research. Regarding conservation of momentum, this condition can be satisfied by using the media as the reaction mass. Any net momentum imparted to the vehicle must be equal and opposite to the momentum change imparted to the media. Regarding conservation of energy, this condition can be satisfied by imposing the constraint that whatever propulsive method or phenomena is used, the total system energy before and after the propulsive effect is equal. This includes the energy state of the surrounding media, the energy state of any energy sources on the vehicle, the kinetic energy imparted to the vehicle, and any loss mechanisms. 4. HYPOTHETICAL FIELD DRIVES In addition to producing forces with collisions, forces can be produced from interactions between matter and fields. Gravitational fields accelerate masses and electric fields accelerate charges. To entertain the analogy of using field interactions to create a space drive, it is necessary to assume that there is some way for a vehicle to induce a field around itself that will in turn accelerate itself. Field drive concepts are more complex and more speculative than collision sail drives. A description of the critical issues follows. Even if there was a way for a device on a vehicle to induce force-producing field, there is still the question of whether such a field would accelerate the vehicle. A typical expectation is that the induced forces would just act between the vehicle’s field-inducing device and the rest of the vehicle, like blowing in your own sails, or trying to move a car by pushing on it from the inside. In such cases all the forces act internally and there would be no net motion of the vehicle. For reference, this issue can be called the “net external force requirement.” The net external force requirement is closely related to conservation of momentum. Conservation of momentum requires that the momentum imparted to the vehicle must be equal and opposite to the momentum imparted to a reaction mass. In the case of a field drive, there is no obvious reaction mass for the vehicle to push against. Similarly to conservation of momentum is the issue of conservation of energy. This issue can be satisfied by imposing the constraint that whatever propulsive method or phenomena is used, the energy required to create the effect is equal to the kinetic energy imparted to the vehicle and to whatever constitutes its reaction mass, plus any inefficiency losses. In addition, there is also the issue of controllability, insuring that the force-producing effect can be turned on and off at will. Fig. 4 Hypothetical Diametric Drive A closely related aspect to controllability is sustainability. Sustainability refers to the ability to continue the propulsive effect throughout the vehicle’s motion. This implies that the force inducing effect must work in both an inertial frame and an accelerated frame. It also requires that the force-producing field is carried along with or propagated with the vehicle, or at least can be induced again after the vehicle has been set in motion. In the spirit of the “Horizon Methodology”, it is assumed a priori that space drives are possible. By doing so and then by addressing the critical issues, the required physical characteristics of matter and space to make such propulsion methods plausible can be identified. Future research could then determine whether these conditions can be created with the phenomena that are known to exist, or at least indicate what other phenomena to search for. Four hypothetical field drives, “Diametric Drive,” “Pitch Drive,” “Bias Drive,” and “Disjunction Drive,” are presented next and illustrated in figures 4 through 7. These concepts were envisioned by examining the characteristics that describe a field or how matter reacts to a field, and then assuming it is possible to modify a given characteristic of this relation. The Diametric Drive works with field sources, the Pitch Drive with the field itself, the Bias Drive with the properties of the space that contain the field, and the Disjunction Drive with the properties of matter that create and react to a field. A common theme to all of these is that an asymmetric field is induced such that a gradient is located at the center of the vehicle, or more specifically at the center of whatever part of the vehicle will experience a reaction force from the field. An asymmetric field is required so that a net force is created on the vehicle. These concepts are presented in the context of using mass and gravitational properties. A more thorough treatise would also have to address using space media and electromagnetic phenomena. 4.1 Diametric Drive This first type of hypothetical field propulsion, as illustrated in figure 4, considers the possibility of creating a local gradient by the juxtaposition of diametrically opposed field sources across the vehicle. This is analogous to negative mass propulsion and to creating a pressure source and sink in a space media as suggested previously with the Induction Sail. It is theoretically possible to create a continuously propulsive effect by the juxtaposition of negative and positive mass as suggested by Bondi [12], Winterberg [13] and Forward [14]. A crucial assumption to the success of this concept is that negative mass has negative inertia. Mathematically, this concept can be illustrated by the following equation: (1) where Vsys is the gravitational scalar potential for the combined system, shown as a surface plot over an x-y plane in figure 4 (singularities have been truncated for clarity). The first term is the gravitational potential for the negative mass, -m, the second for the positive mass. +m. In both cases, G is Newton’s gravitational constant. The negative mass is located a distance, d, along the x axis behind the origin and the positive mass is located a distance, d, in front of the origin. The origin is taken to be the midpoint between the two masses along the x axis. By taking the gradient of the scalar potential caused by the negative mass at the location of the positive mass, and of the positive mass at the location of the negative mass, the accelerations for each mass can be calculated; (2a) for the negative mass which is in the positive x direction, and (2b) for the positive mass which is also in the positive x direction. Their combined interactions result in a sustained acceleration of both masses in the same direction. 4.2 Pitch Drive This second type of hypothetical field mechanism, as illustrated in figure 5, entertains the possibility that somehow a localized slope in scalar potential is induced across the vehicle which causes forces on the vehicle. In contrast to the diametric drive presented earlier, it is assumed that such a slope can be created without the presence of a pair of point sources. It is not yet known if and how such an effect can be created. Mathematically, this can be illustrated by the following equation: (3) where Vsys is the gravitational scalar potential for the combined system, shown as a surface plot over an x-y plane in figure 5, which is equal to the superposition of the potentials from the vehicle and the induced pitch effect. The term for the vehicle’s gravitational potential is the familiar Newton’s gravitational potential where r is the distance from the source mass (r2 = x2 + y2 for the x - y plane). The origin is taken to be at the center of the vehicle. To entertain the possibility of a Pitch Drive, a localized gradient in the scalar gravitational potential is superimposed across the symmetric gravitational potential already present from the vehicle’s mass. This induced pitch effect is represented by a magnitude, A (units of acceleration), with a negative slope in the positive x direction, and is localized by a Gaussian distribution, e-r2, over the distance, r, centered at the origin. This localizing equation was arbitrarily chosen for illustration purposes only. By taking the gradient of the scalar potential at the location of the vehicle (r=0), the acceleration for the vehicle is determined to be equal to A, the magnitude of the induced effect, and acts in the positive x direction. 4.3 Bias Drive The third type of hypothetical field mechanism as illustrated in figure 6, entertains the possibility that the vehicle alters the properties of space itself, such as the gravitational constant, G, to create a local propulsive gradient. From this asymmetric alteration of a space property a local gradient similar to the Pitch Drive mechanism results. Figure 6 is drawn showing the result of modifying Newton’s gravitational constant, G, around the vehicle’s own mass. Newton’s constant has been modified to have a localized bias where it is reduced behind the vehicle and increased in front. Fig. 5 Hypothetical Pitch Drive Mathematically, this concept can be illustrated by the following equation: (4) Fig. 6 Hypothetical Bias Drive where V is the gravitational scalar potential plotted over an x-y plane, shown as a surface plot in Figure 6. This scalar potential is described by the familiar Newton’s gravitational potential on the right which is multiplied by a spatially asymmetric modifier on the left. The spatially asymmetric modifier is represented by a magnitude, B (units of mass over distance squared), multiplied by x, to give a positive slope in the positive x direction, and is localized by a Gaussian distribution as with the Pitch Drive. The “+1” identity term is necessary to return the Newtonian gravitational potential to its original form at large distances (r>>0). By taking the gradient of the scalar potential at the location of the vehicle (r=0), the acceleration for the vehicle is determined to be equal to BG, the product of the magnitude of the induced effect and Newton’s constant, and acts in the positive x direction. A similar concept by Alcubierre [4] suggests creating a propulsive effect by asymmetrically altering spacetime itself. Alcubierre theorized that by using large quantities of negative energy density with an equally large positive energy density, faster-than-light travel would be possible without violating general relativity. The negative energy density expands spacetime behind the vehicle and the positive energy density contracts spacetime in front of the vehicle. The net effect is that this “warped” space and the region within it would propel itself “with an arbitrarily large speed.” Observers outside this “warp” would see it move faster than the speed of light. Observers inside this “warp” would feel no acceleration as they move at warp speed. Although a sub-light-speed space drive would constitute a sufficiently important breakthrough, the possibility that a space drive may also enable faster-than-light transport is intriguing. The feasibility of this “warp drive” theory is an open issue. 4.4 Disjunction Drive The fourth type of hypothetical field drive, as illustrated in figure 7, entertains the possibility that the source of a field and that which reacts to a field can be separated. By displacing them in space, the reactant is shifted to a point where the field has a slope, thus producing reaction forces between the source and the reactant. It is assumed that the source and reactant are held apart by some sort of rigid device. Obviously, a critical issue of this scheme is whether the field’s source is a separate entity from that which reacts to a field. This perspective is similar to that used in the analysis of the properties of negative mass [14]. In the course of examining the nature of hypothesized negative mass, three different masses can be distinguished: mS, “gravitational source mass” which is the source of a gravitational field, mR, “gravitationally reactant mass” which reacts to a gravitational field, and mi, “inertial mass” which sets the relation between force and acceleration (mi = F/a). Although these distinctions were made to classically analyze the behavior of negative mass, they do invite speculation. Could either a “source” or “reactant” mass be mimicked through some coupling between gravity, electromagnetism and spacetime? If so, the propulsive effect suggested above may be possible. This is unknown at this time. Mathematically, this concept can be illustrated by the following equations: (5) where V is the gravitational scalar potential plotted over an x-y plane as a surface plot in figure 7 which is equal to the familiar Newton’s gravitational potential of the source mass, mS, which is a distance, d, along the x axis, from the reactant mass. The source mass is defined to have the property that it only causes a field, but does not react to one. The reactant mass is defined to react to the presence of a field, but not to cause one. Thus, there is no force on the source mass from the reactant mass. To illustrate how this concept works, examine the sum of the resulting forces: (6) The first term of the sum is the gravitational force from the source mass, mS, acting on the reactant mass, mR. By definition, there is no force created on the source mass from the reactant mass, and hence, no term for that force in this equation. However, to entertain the possibility that the source and the reactant mass have inertial mass, terms are included for the reaction forces due to these inertia. These reaction forces are the second and third terms in the summation, where mSi is the inertia of the source mass and mRi is the inertia of the reactant mass. Since it is assumed that the masses are rigidly connected by whatever device has pulled them apart, the acceleration, a, is the same for both masses. Solving for the acceleration gives: (7) which acts in the positive x direction. Although existing evidence strongly suggests that active, passive, and inertial mass are inseparable properties, any future evidence to the contrary would have revolutionary implication to this propulsion application. Fig. 7 "Disjunction Drive" 5. REMAINING RESEARCH There are a variety of unexplored paths toward discovering the physics for a space drive. To explore the collision sail concepts it would be useful to seek any means to interact asymmetrically with the media that are known to exist in space. In particular, the media of the electromagnetic fluctuations of the vacuum, also called the ZPF, is a promising candidate because of its high energy density. A research approach to further explore the concept field drives is to investigate the physics of negative mass. It is not know whether negative mass exists, but methods have been suggested to search for evidence of negative mass in the context of searching for astronomical evidence of wormholes [15]. If negative mass is found to exist and if methods can be eventually engineered to collect and handle negative mass, it seems reasonable that a propulsive effect could be engineered as previously discussed with the Diametric Drive. If negative mass does not exist, it is still possible, in the spirit of the Horizon Methodology, to consider the alternative of artificially synthesizing negative mass effects using some as-yet-undiscovered physics, perhaps using a form of gravity-electromagnetic coupling. The idea of discovering some gravity-electromagnetic coupling goes beyond the idea of mimicking negative mass. If there is any way to modify gravity, inertia, or the properties of spacetime using electromagnetics, it may be possible to mimic negative mass to create a gravitational dipole, induce gravitational or electromagnetic fields to create a Pitch Drive, or modify other properties of space to create a Bias Drive. The idea of using one phenomenon to control another is not new. Electric fields are used to create magnetic fields. By knowing the specifics of how these phenomena are coupled, it is possible to engineer such effects. In the case of a space drive it is desired to create an acceleration-inducing field using some phenomenon like electromagnetics that can be readily controlled. Electromagnetism is suggested as the control phenomenon for two reasons: electromagnetism is a phenomenon for which we are technologically proficient, and it is known that gravity, spacetime, and electromagnetism are coupled phenomena. In the formalism of general relativity this coupling is described in terms of how mass warps the spacetime against which electromagnetism is measured. In simple terms this has the consequence that gravity appears to bend light, red-shift light and slow time. These observations and the general relativistic formalism that describes them have been experimentally supported [9]. Although gravity’s effects on electromagnetism and spacetime have been observed, the reverse possibility, of using electromagnetism to affect gravity, inertia, or spacetime is unknown. To explore this possibility, it would be advantageous to have a formulation that describes these observed couplings as a function of electromagnetics. Electromagnetism is also suggested as a target phenomenon for space drive research because of the ZPF. The ZPF is an electromagnetic phenomenon. Discovering any way to react asymmetrically with the ZPF would likely create a space drive. ZPF has also been theorized to be an underlying phenomena to inertia and gravity [1, 2], and experiments have been suggested to test these theories and to test other related speculations on the relation between the ZPF and mass properties [3]. It should be noted that these theories were not written in the context of propulsion and do not provide direct clues for how to electromagnetically manipulate inertia or gravity. Also, these theories are still too new to have either been confirmed or discounted. Despite such uncertainties these theories provide new, alternative approaches to search for breakthrough propulsion physics. Still another piece of evidence of possible gravity and electromagnetic coupling is an experiment that indicates that there may be a gravity shielding effect with superconductors [16]. This effect has not yet been confirmed or discounted, so it is premature to conclude that such a gravity shielding effect is real. It does, however, provide another research avenue for space drive physics. Inherent to all the propulsive mechanisms discussed above is the need to generate an asymmetric field, one that results in a net acceleration of the vehicle. One way to search for such asymmetric effects is to search for nonlinear or non-conserved effects. If, for example, there exists some characteristic coupling between electromagnetism, spacetime, inertia, or gravity that behaves nonlinearly, has some hysteresis, or is non-conserved (analogous to friction) it may be possible to create net forces from imbalanced, cyclic perturbations of this effect. To illustrate this possibility, consider the analogy of an irregularly oscillating mass affixed to a cart that is initially at rest on the floor. When the mass moves slowly in one direction its reaction forces are not sufficient to overcome the static coefficient of friction between the cart and the floor and the cart remains still. When the mass moves quickly in the other direction its reaction forces are sufficient to overcome the static coefficient of friction, and the cart rolls. Repeating this cycle results in a net motion of the cart. If there are any field properties of space that have such a characteristic non-conserved interaction analogous to friction, then it may be possible to create an analogous propulsive effect in space. A more conventional example which better illustrates the possibilities of nonlinear propulsion, is a method suggested by Landis [17]. This concept outlines a technique for changing the orbits of satellites without using propellant, and does so using conventional physics. It uses tethers on a satellite to take advantage of the nonlinear nature of a gravitational well. If the orbiting satellite extends a tether toward Earth and another tether away from earth, the imbalanced reactions will create a net force toward the Earth. This is because the downward force on the near-Earth tether increases more than the outward force on the outer tether as the tethers are deployed. By alternately deploying and retracting long tethers at different points during the orbit (apogee and perigee), an orbiting satellite can change its orbital altitude or eccentricity. Another approach is to revisit the field properties of space itself in search of evidence of imbalanced forces. One experiment to explore this possibility is where a homopolar motor is used to illustrate a paradox of apparently imbalanced magnetic reaction forces [18]. Another is from experimental observations of unipolar induction that explores the relation between magnetic fields and the surrounding space [19]. To address the propulsive implications of this approach, the issue of conservation of momentum and the role played by the surrounding space would have to be fully addressed. To fully develop ways to create such forces against the properties of space, the issue of conservation of momentum must be addressed. In the case of the tether example discussed above, the Earth acts as the reaction mass to conserve momentum. In the case of negative mass propulsion, conservation of momentum is satisfied by taking advantage of the negative inertia of negative mass [14]. With the remaining field drives, however, research will be required to find some other way to conserve momentum. One approach to conserve momentum is to consider space itself as the reaction mass. This approach evokes the old idea of an “ether.” To be strictly consistent with empirical evidence, such as the Michelson-Morely experiment, any further research to revisit the idea of an ether would have to impose the condition that an ether is electromagnetically Lorentz invariant. Note that this condition is a characteristic of the ZPF [7]. An alternative to considering space as the reaction mass is to further develop Mach’s Principle. Mach’s Principle asserts that surrounding matter gives rise to inertial frames, and that the inertial frames are somehow connected to the surrounding matter [9]. Mach wrote that although he felt a connection to the surrounding matter was required for the property of inertia to be detectable, he also admitted that such a treatment was not necessary to satisfactorily describe the laws of motion [20]. Specifically, to be useful for propulsion physics, a formalism of Mach’s Principle is required that provides a means to transmit reaction forces to surrounding matter. This implies developing a quantitative description for how the surrounding matter creates an inertial frame, and how pushing against that frame with a space drive is actually pushing against the distant surrounding matter. It is also possible to consider the very structure of spacetime itself as a candidate for propulsive interactions. If it were possible, for example, to create asymmetries in the very properties of spacetime which give rise to inertial frames, it may be possible to create net inertial forces. This is similar to the “warp drive” suggested by Alcubierre [4] It is also conceivable that other research approaches exist. To further explore any of these possibilities, it would be useful to have a succinct problem statement to guide the evaluation and application of emerging science to the goal of creating a space drive. Such a problem statement is offered next. 6. PROBLEM STATEMENT The critical issues for both the sail and field drives have been compiled into the problem statement offered below. Simply put, a space drive requires some controllable and sustainable means to create asymmetric forces on the vehicle without expelling a reaction mass, and some means to satisfy conservation laws in the process. Regardless of which concept is explored, the following criteria must be satisfied. (1) A mechanism must exist to interact with a property of space, matter, or energy which satisfies these conditions: (a) must be able to induce an unidirectional acceleration of the vehicle. (b) must be controllable. (c) must be sustainable as the vehicle moves. (d) must be effective enough to propel the vehicle. (e) must satisfy conservation of momentum. (f) must satisfy conservation of energy. (2.1) If properties of matter or energy are used for the propulsive effect, this matter or energy... (a) must have properties that enable conservation of momentum in the propulsive process. b) must exist in a form that can be controllably collected, carried, and positioned on the vehicle, or be controllably created on the vehicle. (c) must exist in sufficiently high quantities to create a sufficient propulsive effect. (2.2) If properties of space are used for the propulsive effect, these properties... (a) must provide an equivalent reaction mass to conserve momentum. (b) must be tangible; it must be able to be detected and interacted with. (c) must exist across all space and in all directions. (d) must have a sufficiently high equivalent mass density within the span of the vehicle to be used as a propulsive reaction mass. (e) must have characteristics that enable the propulsive effect to be sustained once the vehicle is in motion. (3) The physics proposed for the propulsive mechanism and for the properties of space, matter, or energy used for the propulsive effect must be completely consistent with empirical observations. 7. CONCLUSIONS Prior to the emergence of new theories suggesting connections between gravity, inertia, and the electromagnetic fluctuations of the vacuum, and the recent “warp drive” theory, the prospects for creating a space drive have seemed too far in the future to provide near term research opportunities. Now with these emerging theories, new research approaches exist. To provide a framework for taking advantage of these emerging theories and progressing science toward the goal of a space drive, a problem statement was needed and is now offered in this paper. Regarding the prospects for breakthroughs, consider the following quotes from past experts. These quotes were copied from Anderson’s article on the Horizon Methodology [6]. “Heavier than air flying machines are impossible,” “Radio has no future,” “X-rays are a hoax.” - William Thomson (Lord Kelvin) President of London’s Royal Society (1895-1904). “There is no likelihood man can ever tap the power of the atom.” - Robert Millikan, Nobel Prize in Physics (1923). “The secrets of flight will not be mastered within our lifetime.. not within a thousand years.” - Wilbur Wright (1901). ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS The following individuals contributed thought-provoking questions and critical reviews that were instrumental in completing this work: Mike Binder, Mike LaPointe, Ira T. 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From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 4 21:00:34 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id UAA04832; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 20:59:45 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 20:59:45 -0700 From: geoff@compcafe.co.uk (Geoff Greaves) Reply-To: geoff@compcafe.co.uk To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Parametrics abound Date: 04 Aug 1997 20:10:32 GMT Message-Id: <2034077567.246450288@compcafe.co.uk> Organization: via Computer Cafes FC BBS Wales, UK Resent-Message-ID: <"3wbfw1.0.OB1.mKgvp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4701 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: While browsing a National Semiconductor web site at the weekend I was offered the option to make a *** Parametric Search *** I regret to report that this did not show itself to be an overunity device; lots of energy used inputting - fruitless response out. ---------------------------------------- >From Geoff Greaves: geoff@compcafe.co.uk ---------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 4 21:40:08 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id VAA08777; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 21:38:11 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 21:38:11 -0700 (PDT) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 21:32:55 -0700 Subject: Re: One-way transformer design Message-ID: <19970804.213259.8614.0.tv@juno.com> References: <199708040756.AAA25103@mail1.halcyon.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3,5,7,10,12-13,16-17,19,22-23,27,30-31,35-36, 41-44,46,48,50-51,53-54,58,60,62,64-66,68-72 From: tv@juno.com (Tim D Vaughan) Resent-Message-ID: <"BjSQm.0.-82.lugvp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4702 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Greetings Fred, Greg, and others interested in magnetic energy anomalies, My late friend Leon Dragone told me about a very interesting experiment which he was not able to finish. He had a large coil of wire with an inductance of several hundred henries with a ferrite core in the center. He claimed that by putting short pulse through the coil and then switching the coil to an output he was getting an excess of energy back out of a rectifier circuit attached to the output stage. Leon said the timing was important or the device would not display the anomalous behavior. Leon told me that this device had some similarities to some of Joseph Newmans devices that had some kind of ferromagnetic core. The most interesting thing that Leon reported to me was the definite temperature drop in the core and to some degree in the coil when the device was operating as measured by a digital probe. This caused Leon to believe that this was a kind of ordering of thermal fluctuation energy. I have a preliminary (rough draft) of a paper Leon was going to publish. I can post it on a web page if anyone is interested. When I consider the idea of the PM OD and how it might be considered a One Way Transformer, I still have to believe that the conversation of energy holds and that any energy put into the core in the form of pulse on the primary will be delivered to the secondary minus any losses (or plus any gains). Therefore if this device is overunity, it must have some kind of external input source such as ambient energy. Leon believed that he was observing a fluctuation coherence because the device was continuously absorbing heat. He explained that this was different then magnetic refrigeration which is cyclical. Leon Dragones claimed his small but easily verifiable cooling effect was continuous. About 6 months after Leon died I asked his sister if anyone was continuing Leon's work. His sister said that Andrew Michrowsky, the organizer of the PACE (The Planetary Association of Clean Energy), requested the equipment and notes from Leon. Leons sister gave him the materials. That is the last I have heard about it. Andrew Michrowsky has some connection with the National Research Council of Canada, an intelligence gathering entity similar to the CIA. According to the notes of one of the last conversations I had with Leon the coil he made had 100,000 turns of number 30 copper magnet wire, over 200,000 feet. The coil was 11 inches outside diameter (30 cm) and 7 inches (17.8 cm) inside diameter. He used a lathe with a counter to wind the coil. The inside of the coil contained a ferrite permanent magnet core which greatly increased the inductance of the coil . Dragone measured the temperature drop with a Beckman Instruments Digital thermometer with a type K thermocouple probe. The continuous temperature drop ranged between 1 and 2 degrees F in the most successful runs. As a control he would also measure the temperature over a period of about 20 to 30 minutes before and after the experiment to make sure that air drafts were not involved. He also had another thermometer as a control. He even ran the experiments in a basement where the room temperature was more stable.. There may be something to Joe Newmans giant coils after all, especially when the coils contain soft or semisoft ferromagnetic cores.. Tim Vaughan ( tv@juno.com ) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 4 21:40:17 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id VAA17122; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 21:39:36 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 21:39:36 -0700 From: openway@nor.com.au Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 14:39:21 +1000 Message-Id: <199708050439.OAA01080@nornet.nor.com.au> X-Sender: openway@pophost.nor.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Time Resent-Message-ID: <"EbtPH.0.RB4.6wgvp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4703 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > I know I'm not the only person to be thinking along these lines. I >would like to start a general discussion of what time is, what sorts of >experiments might show observable changes in the flow of time, and what >relevance it has to the control or generation of excess energy. > >Fred > Kozyrev worked along these lines. Using pendulums, he demonstrated that time has a "speed" of propagation, and passes more slowly at the cause than at the effect. Space is the time it takes to go somewhere else. Time is the space you occupy when you are not everywhere at once. Peter Nielsen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 4 21:42:12 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id VAA17643; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 21:41:31 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 21:41:31 -0700 Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 22:47:31 -0600 (MDT) From: Steve Ekwall X-Sender: ekwall2@november To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Barkhausen Battery ? !! In-Reply-To: <199708050234.TAA05695@mail1.halcyon.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"b-vmz2.0.WJ4.wxgvp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4704 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > ---------- > > From: Mark Holden > > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > Subject: Re: Barkhausen Battery ? !! > > Date: Monday, August 04, 1997 4:56 PM > > > > My $0.02 worth. From what I read below this sure sounds like my toy > > crystal radio set.. a coil a cap and a diode.. generates power > > passively. Hmmmmm. > > > Mark, I agree with your $0.02 worth! my boys just built one last month. Tesla as you know always dreamt of sending power through the air-ways (which we are already doing with our 50,000 watt radio stations) Attaching the ear-piece to isolated plates, should make a neat CAP. But rather than sending it back to the 'battery' (if thats even the right term) to recharge or amplify / connecting a lot of crystal radio set cuircuts in parallel and all "feeding" seperate Cap(s) you should have power whever you are as long as they transmit. It would be 'passive' like putting a coil near a high-power line, except your using the EM converted back. se From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 4 22:21:44 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id WAA15319; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 22:20:38 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 22:20:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33E6C5E0.3296@sunherald.infi.net> Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 23:19:13 -0700 From: kyle Reply-To: stk@sunherald.infi.net Organization: InfiNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Gravity Resonance Coil Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"dP-UK2.0.Gl3.aWhvp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4705 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi All: Has anyone tried this: http://www.newphys.se/elektromagnum/physics/KeelyNet/gravity/gravity.asc ??? If no one has, I might look into it. Also: where can I obtain some bismuth? Kyle Mcallister From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 4 22:54:22 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id WAA18458; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 22:52:07 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 22:52:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708050552.WAA05998@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: None at this time Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 22:55:23 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"t4Cmp2.0.IW4.4-hvp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4706 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Jack, > >The question is whether rotating this shield can be done with less energy > >than is produced by the induction. > > > Thanks! Now I understand. I think the success of such a device > would require the shutter to be fabricated from such material > that; attenuates a magnetic field...(duh!), is a non-conductor. > Otherwise eddy currents would be induced in the shutter. Possibly > a ferrite material might work? Unfortunately, most ferrites > saturate at fairly low field strengths. Yes, I suggested ferrites I think. When you say "attenuate" you mean shunt the field away from the output coil, right? > > This idea reminds me of radiant energy, or electrostatic field, choppers. ES field choppers, that's an interesting idea. A thin, grounded plate cutting through the field? The advantage that occurs to me in using a flux > chopper (besides being whizzey) is the elimination of any > switches, or brushes. Right, more efficient in that way, but APPARENTLY less efficient magnetic circuit (more losses). > > Once you built a flux chopper, you could use it to > intermittently charge a core, as the primary winding > does in a conventional flyback converter. > > It's something to ponder. Interesting idea. Yes, there are a number of solid-state devices that work on similar principles, except instead of cutting the flux of a permanent magnet, they use a small magnetic field to route the PM flux down one of two pathways, one of which is an inductor. There seems to be the possibility of overunity performance if the flux-shunting is done efficiently enough. These machines do not cancel back EMF though, and my guess is that there would still be loading of the flux-shunting field. There are some very clever designs like this though. Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 4 22:53:22 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id WAA32496; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 22:51:01 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 22:51:01 -0700 Message-Id: <199708050552.WAA07156@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: The Original Coler Experments Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 22:33:24 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"-u8Wl2.0.fx7.5zhvp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4707 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi John and all, It's good to see that people are reading the Coler documents in detail. However, what is being described in your quote is a different experiment-- the one from Coler's own statement I call the "opening and closing switch" experiment. The test setup for experiment 3 was very different. It's still an open question whether the solenoids in exp. 3 are ferrous or not. I am very interested in the "open and closed switch" experiment as well. I have no idea whether it will behave the way Coler said, but it certainly would be easy to check out with modern equipment. Fred > In order to prevent any possible objection, that the iron had any > influence on the results, the whole transformer was cut out during the > experiments and an iron-free flat coil arrangement used as the inductor > during the experiments... ...The result > obtained with this experimental arrangement, which already eliminated > all the possible causes of later objections, was the clear proof of a > considerably larger energy during opening (intake), compared with > closing impulses. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 4 22:54:22 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id WAA18628; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 22:53:34 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 22:53:34 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 23:43:41 -0600 (MDT) From: "John R. Tooker" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Time In-Reply-To: <199708050439.OAA01080@nornet.nor.com.au> Message-Id: Organization: Calgary Free-Net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"0E_UG2.0.wY4.Q_hvp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4708 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > > Kozyrev worked along these lines. Using pendulums, he demonstrated that time > has a "speed" of propagation, and passes more slowly at the cause than at > the effect. > > Space is the time it takes to go somewhere else. Time is the space you > occupy when you are not everywhere at once. Hi! :) Don't forget Kozyrev's observations regarding time's rotational properties. He and his team did discover that the time force did have a levorotational effect. Standard Newtonian mechanics does not take this in to account. My time machine design makes use of rotational scalar magnetic fields specifically because of Kozyrev's observations. Regards, John From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 4 23:45:15 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id XAA15071; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 23:44:26 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 23:44:26 -0700 Message-Id: <199708050640.XAA23450@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: One-way transformer design Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 23:43:38 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"5t9i31.0.Oh3.9livp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4709 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Tim, > My late friend Leon Dragone told me about a very interesting experiment > which he > was not able to finish. He had a large coil of wire with an inductance > of several > hundred henries with a ferrite core in the center. He claimed that by > putting short > pulse through the coil and then switching the coil to an output he was > getting an excess of energy back out of a rectifier circuit attached to > the output stage. Leon > said the timing was important or the device would not display the > anomalous behavior. Yes, the question in my mind is not if you would see anomalous effects, but whether they would be from the high inductance or magnetic field itself, or simply from the time delay created by the inductance. > > Leon told me that this device had some similarities to some of Joseph > Newmans devices that had some kind of ferromagnetic core. The most > interesting > thing that Leon reported to me was the definite temperature drop > in the core and to some degree in the coil when the device was operating > as measured by a digital probe. This caused Leon to believe that this > was a kind of ordering of thermal fluctuation energy. I have a > preliminary (rough draft) of a paper Leon was going to publish. I can > post it on a web page if anyone is interested. VERY interested! > > When I consider the idea of the PM OD and how it might be considered a > One Way Transformer, I still have to believe that the conversation of > energy holds such a conservative :-) . > Leon believed that he was observing a fluctuation coherence because the > device was continuously absorbing heat. He explained that this was > different then magnetic refrigeration which is cyclical. Leon Dragones > claimed his small but easily verifiable cooling effect was continuous. Again, this could be magnetic or it could be a result of temporal effects. Pure speculation: Time is not an absolute, it is relative to the oscillation period of the system being measured. The clocks in Einstein's theory are real clocks with material properties, that is how the theory is formulated. So the time constant depends on those material properties, and not the other way around. There is no abstract time, there are only real physical processes that are chosen to represent time standards. The time constant (period) of a clock-like system is determined by its total inertia H, mechanical and electromagnetic. In fact I believe that time and inertia are different ways of describing the same thing-- at least there is a linear relationship between the inertia and the time in a system. Let us say that T = x(H) or dropping the constant T =H. The formula W = PT becomes W = PH. If the time constant of a system storing energy is reduced the system now must have more power to conserve total work done. Perhaps the time altered system must take this power from the ambient environment. You may notice that I have described the parametric process as well. A parametric circuit is one where energy is generated by changing the time constant of the system. . > Dragone measured the temperature drop with a Beckman Instruments Digital > thermometer with a type K thermocouple probe. The continuous temperature > drop ranged between 1 and 2 degrees F in the most successful runs > There may be something to Joe Newmans giant coils after all, especially > when the > coils contain soft or semisoft ferromagnetic cores.. It would be interesting to do comparison experiments where the time delay was the only factor and induction was kept to a minimum. Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 5 00:04:01 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id AAA20021; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 00:03:27 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 00:03:27 -0700 Message-Id: <199708050704.AAA15681@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: Time Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 23:55:59 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"8Gh1P2.0.ku4.-0jvp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4710 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Peter, I have studied the Kozyrev paper and my impression of it is that it shows SOMETHING but what it is I don't know. I didn't get his experimental reasoning, but I think he hit on something important. His experiments are also explainable by the hypothesis of an inertial force generated by rotating objects. This does not exclude a time connection. The inertial force would be the equivalent of an imposition of a different time constant. Probably the best experiment that Bruce Depalma ever did was to put his Accutron watch near a large rotating cyclinder. The watch changed its time standard (I can't remember if it gained or lost). De Palma used this as evidence for an inertial force but you could just as easily say that the rotating cylinder changed the time on his watch. I understand this experiment was not replicatable. I would love to read more about Kozyrev's research or others following in his footsteps, I understand there are some papers in the last St. Petersberg conference if someone has them and could pass them on... ---------- > Peter said: > Kozyrev worked along these lines. Using pendulums, he demonstrated that time > has a "speed" of propagation, and passes more slowly at the cause than at > the effect. > > Space is the time it takes to go somewhere else. Time is the space you > occupy when you are not everywhere at once. Time is the resistance of matter to energy. Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 5 00:16:49 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id AAA25684; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 00:16:18 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 00:16:18 -0700 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 01:13:00 -0600 (MDT) From: "John R. Tooker" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Time In-Reply-To: <199708050704.AAA15681@mail1.halcyon.com> Message-Id: Organization: Calgary Free-Net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"KtgJp2.0.DH6.1Djvp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4711 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > I would love to read more about Kozyrev's research or others following in > his footsteps, I understand there are some papers in the last St. Hi, :) My time travel research and my experiments have been partially based on Prof. Kozyrev's work. If you don't have the url to my site, it's http://members.tripod.com/~jtooker/index-2.html. Also, please feel free to contribute to the discussions on the message board. It sounds like you'll be able to provide interesting input! :) Regards, John From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 5 02:25:31 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id CAA05155; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 02:24:30 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 02:24:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33E6EF9E.7D288C01@microtronics.com.au> Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 18:47:18 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com CC: List Server Freenrg Subject: Re: Interesting PPM Design X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199708050711.AAA01346@germany.it.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"8Okdb1.0.HG1.95lvp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4712 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Michael Randall wrote: > > To Vortex: > > Did anyone see the Space Energy Assoc. (SEA), zerox of an Internet download > (by David C. on 6/15/97) of a permenant magnetic motor? It is basically a > rotor with magnets fixed on the disk at an angle (est. 30 deg) from tangent. > There is fixed iron ramp stator, 1/4 of the disk circumference long, that > the rotor magnets are attracted to. At the end of this iron stator ramp is a > permenant magnet that then repels the rotor disk magnet away. "It is a > non-linear magnetic structure." There was no inventor listed or if it was > built or if it worked. > > n > / s \ Rotor > n s o s n > \ \ s / > \ I n > Stator \ > n II > s > > In the diagram above, the stator should be curved as should the rotor be > circular. The rotor spins counterclockwise. The distance of the stator to > the rotor decreases toward the end where the magnet is attacted on the > stator. The rotor magnets are shown perpendicular but should be at an angle > (30 deg.) to cirle tanget. > > Operation: > I. Rotor magnets, at this point, are attracted to iron ramp stator. > II. The stator magnet, at the end of the ramp, repels the rotor magnets. > > "Comment on this Design: > This is about as good as it gets in magnetic motors because it combines > attraction at I, and repulsion at II! Also three more stator ramps (sp) can > be added to boost the torque output." > > Do you think this could fly? Greg, what do you think? > > Best Regards, > Michael Randall Hi Michael, The design is on John Bedini's site at : http://rand.nidlink.com/~john1/motor.html Both Epitaxy and I have had a go at it. My QF sims suggested it had a chance to work, but the unit I built didn't. Epitaxy couldn't get it to fly either. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Phone / PC Fax ...... 61 8 8270 2737 E-mail .............. gwatson@microtronics.com.au Home Page ........... Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 5 04:37:11 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id EAA00610; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 04:36:39 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 04:36:39 -0700 X-Sender: "Stefan Hartmann" X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Info about Death of Stefan Marinov Cc: newman-l@emachine.com Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 13:39:47 MET Message-Id: <19970805133947.04508fe3.in@pop3.vossnet.de> Resent-Message-ID: <"jR2Tv1.0.R9.61nvp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4713 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >>From pappasp@ibm.net Tue Aug 05 11:20:40 1997 >From: pappasp@ibm.net >X-Sender: pappasp@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net >Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 12:15:18 +0300 >To: harti@harti.com >Subject: The Last Protest (up dated) >Cc: assis@ifi.unicamp.br > > >Copy forwarded by PT Pappas > > > THE LAST PROTEST > >Dear Mr Erwin Schneeberger, > >Tank you for letting me know on 28/8/1997 about the sad event. >Please, accept some questions and comments from me, for I knew Stefan >Marinov over 20 years. He used to say I am his older scientific co-fighter >and follow friend. Stefan was with me in Athens, just 15 days before he >died. At that time, nothing could make me suspect his early death two, weeks >later. > >Adopting the Police explanation that Dr Stefan Marinov Killed himself, on >July 15, 1997, jumping from the University of Graz building of Bibliotheque >(Library), I would like to ask: why there was no press or news release? > >I was the first to inform his son, Marin Marinov, on 31/8/1997 in Sophia for >the death of his father who asked me a similar question. Why the police >still did not inform me, for two weeks, after the death of my father? > >Stefan Marinov was known all over the world, half of the citizens of city of >Graz knew him. Stefan Marinov's death, jumping over a public building, >should had been the first news for the city of Graz, for half the people >there will now look for Stefan and much more all over the world. Is it true >that there is no press release in this case for the city of Graz? Does it >look as cover up? Even, Mr Deisting who first informed us, found >accidentally about Stefan's death from the librarian on the 25/8/1997. > >Stefan had attempted unsuccessfully to kill himself in the past, in Paris, >in an attempt to make a protest against scientific censorship and the >indifference of scientific community. > >Assuming that Stefan had chosen himself, a public building, as the Library >of the University of Graz, instead of his own high elevated balcony, >apparently he did so for the same protest, however, not particularly for the >University of Graz. He did so to protest against all universities and >position occupied indifferent for the truth, scientists and salary receiving >professors. > >The authorities of the University, knowing Stefan and his continuous efforts >to answer unanswered scientific questions for the last 20 years, apparently >managed to cancel an annoying press conference or press release by the >police, which they thought it will have caused to students all over the >world to ask more questions which the Professors could not answer and >Editors will not publish, like the lists of questions and problems Stefan >used to send and never got an answer - other than the typical "Professor's" >answer: "I am not a Specialists", "Do not get me involved", "I have no time..." > >Who ever control the knowledge for humanity and try to stop human evolution >by confusing the mass and public media should know that what ever they call >Stefan Marinov's death, suicide or killing, they committed another killing >for Stefan Marinov was forced to kill himself, in order to protest against >the control of scientific knowledge. > >Just before the end of last century the authority of USA patent office >issued a direction: "No more patents on electromagnetism will be accepted, >for what ever was to be invented in electromagnetism, has already been >invented". > >At the dawn of the airplane revolution, scientific authorities, like the >Academy of Science in France or the Royal Society with Lord Kelvin made the >aphorism: "Machines heavier than air may not fly" > >At the last part of our century for ten years (decade of 1970) scientific >institutions and public media were making repetitively clear via all means: >"We are facing a disaster, Petroleum is coming to the end before the year 2000" > >Now, they say "conservation of energy" is perfect, even they can not prove >this "conservation" better than the point of errors present day technology >introduces - at least 1 ppm masking error remains in all experiments, which >is huge for planetary and astronomical scale. Instead, they want to say: >Energy was violated only once at the beginning, only at the "Big Bang", and >that this conservation will never be violated again in the future by all >means! (not to allow humans to step to the next scientific evolution). They >say the "Perpetuum Mobile" is not possible, only a crazy scientist may >attempt it, even, they have no scientific proof for its non existence, only >the assumption that it has not yet been invented. This attitude is not science! > >Apparently the sense and politics for that the next step of civilization is >coming, dictates these actions to stop or delay scientific evolution. >However, It was the Teslas, the Rights, the Marinovs who did not listened >the politics and science advances despite the intentionally spread confusion. > >Stefan you left us, though you could work, dig into forgotten and forbidden >research and produce more. However, you considered your protest more >important. Be sure, we do not listen, too, to politics. Your example will >give more energy to us. It was the best Perpetuum Mobile you made. > >Sincerely, > > >Professor P. T. Pappas, > >Markopulioti 28, >Athens 11744, Greece. >e-mail pappasp@ibm.net >tel: ++301-9010355 >fax: ++301-9011620. > > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 5 06:31:18 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id GAA21076; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 06:30:25 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 06:30:25 -0700 (PDT) From: JNaudin509@aol.com Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 09:28:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970805092838_852031768@emout19.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: The Return of the Jedi Resent-Message-ID: <"zxr913.0.695.jhovp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4714 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi All, After three weeks holidays in high mountains, I come back again with more thinking and ideas... I am reading all Emails and shall answer them as soon as possible ( my mailbox has blown up and all emails between 20 July to 4 August have been lost....)....Thanks for your support and your interest. If you have sent me an Email during this period, please send them to me again... Nice to speak with you and share my lab's experiments soon. Sincerely, ( This mail has been sent at 13h25 GMT on 5 August 97 ) Jean-Louis Naudin ( France / GMT+2 ) Email : JNaudin509@aol.com my Overunity WEB Server : http://members.aol.com/JNaudin509/ WWPager: http://wwp.mirabilis.com/747846 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 5 09:22:08 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id JAA24976; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 09:21:23 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 09:21:23 -0700 Message-ID: <33E760F2.304F@sunherald.infi.net> Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 10:20:51 -0700 From: kyle Reply-To: stk@sunherald.infi.net Organization: InfiNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, Fred Epps Subject: Re: Bismuth References: <199708050738.AAA27967@mail1.halcyon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"X7zWE2.0.966.2Crvp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4715 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Fred Epps wrote: > > Hi Kyle, > > I'm sitting here looking at a container of reagent grade Bismuth. Looks > like about half a pound. You can have it if you pay the shipping costs, > what about 5-8 bucks I guess. > Let me know what you are going to do with it. I have been talking to > people about Bismuth experiments for a while. > How would you prefer the money sent: Check, or Money order? My expiriment: Electrogravity. A guy who used to work at Wright-Patterson said there was a project called "Red Light" that involved bismuth at high voltages layered (he didn't say how) with magnesium, zinc, and sodium-22. I'm in the process of aquiring materials for such expiriments. If anyone wants to try, be careful with Sodium-22. It's radioactive (a positron emmiter). From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 5 09:27:11 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id JAA25970; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 09:26:49 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 09:26:49 -0700 Message-ID: <33E76240.3771@sunherald.infi.net> Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 10:26:24 -0700 From: kyle Reply-To: stk@sunherald.infi.net Organization: InfiNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Power Supplies Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"snGy32.0.gL6.8Hrvp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4716 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi All: Does anyone here know how to build a 50VDC @ 10A (50KVDC isolated) power supply? Kyle From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 5 10:06:32 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id KAA32263; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 10:05:45 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 10:05:45 -0700 Message-Id: <199708051707.KAA27765@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: "Free Energy" , "Larry Wharton" Subject: A question Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 10:10:01 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"45hUb3.0.0u7.errvp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4717 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Larry and all, >I am rewriting my paper on entropy conservation. In a previous version I >did not come right out and say that the second order terms violate entropy >conservation. >the standard higher >order equations violate the second law. >to reject an accepted >law (the second law of thermodynamics) or to throw out the accepted form of >fluid dynamics. : The FULL equation for electromagnetic induction contains a second term for variation of inductance. Would this qualify as a "second order term" ? Fred Thanks again for the interesting refs and theories. I am a neophyte in thermodynamics but the more I read the more interesting it gets. People who talk about the second law like it's carved in stone have no idea how shaky the foundations are. This is not a law, folks, and we might as well start getting used to it. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 5 11:27:14 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id LAA10312; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 11:25:16 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 11:25:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33E77DBD.199@sunherald.infi.net> Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 12:23:42 -0700 From: kyle Reply-To: stk@sunherald.infi.net Organization: InfiNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Power Supplies References: <33E76240.3771@sunherald.infi.net> <33E75598.B953BC3E@microtronics.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"GvLXV.0.0X2.90tvp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4718 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Greg Watson wrote: > > kyle wrote: > > > > Hi All: > > > > Does anyone here know how to build a 50VDC @ 10A (50KVDC isolated) power > > supply? > > > > Kyle > > Hi Kyle, > > Biggest problem is the 50kva isolation. > > What is the load like? > > Rapid short term high energy bursts are very much different to steady > loads. > > How much regulation do you need? > > What's your budget? > > -- > Best Regards, > Greg Watson Here's the page the design is at: http://www.newphys.se/elektromagnum/physics/KeelyNet/gravity/gravity3.asc Its the 50VDC and 25-100KVDC Power supplies part From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 5 11:26:30 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id LAA19210; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 11:25:25 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 11:25:25 -0700 Message-ID: <33E7992E.60E0@tiac.net> Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 14:20:46 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Reply-To: bshannon@tiac.net Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Barkhausen Battery ? !! References: <97Aug4.161526pdt.23044@firewall.astec.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"9UeaA3.0.3i4.K0tvp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4719 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Steve_Kirkman_at_BI-USA@astec.com wrote: > > > Fred wrote in part: > > >I have though of a number of ways to "jazz up" > the Barkhausen battery if you're interested. Most > of them violate the best feature of the device, > its totally static nature. > > Fred > > > I would be most interested in your ideas, and would > be very grateful if you would post them. Just a > thought, could you wire several in parallel to run > a circuit or small motor? > > TIA, > > Steve Kirkman Yes Steve, they may be connected in parallel or series, just like any other battery. I've driven flea-powered transmitters (tunnel diode based, low voltage) from a single strip of silicon steel. This thing sat around my shop for months emitting a weak 27 mHz carrier, modulated with an audio frequency that encoded the internal temprature of the battery. They will drive (small) loads. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 5 11:34:26 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id LAA21807; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 11:33:52 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 11:33:52 -0700 Message-ID: <33E79B29.7D32@tiac.net> Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 14:29:13 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Reply-To: bshannon@tiac.net Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Barkhausen Battery ? !! References: <19970804185712.004ccdf1.in@pop3.vossnet.de> <33E66C14.A3E2280A@pacbell.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"PGgEm2.0.dK5.E8tvp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4720 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Mark Holden wrote: > > My $0.02 worth. From what I read below this sure sounds like my toy > crystal radio set.. a coil a cap and a diode.. generates power > passively. Hmmmmm Crystal radio eh? Ok, please read teh article on this device, and let me know aht you think of it then. I should point out that the coil and other components are encased inside a Faraday cage, where your crystal radio will not even get static. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 5 11:39:18 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id LAA23009; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 11:38:29 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 11:38:29 -0700 Message-ID: <33E79C42.7@tiac.net> Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 14:33:54 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Reply-To: bshannon@tiac.net Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Barkhausen Battery ? !! References: <199708050234.TAA05695@mail1.halcyon.com> <33E6977E.A3FD62F5@pacbell.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"o5AhV.0.Nd5.aCtvp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4721 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Mark Holden wrote: > I was also curious what type of capaciter was used in this detector > since eletrolytic caps never read 0 volts cause they use electrolyte and > are very weak batterys. It is a 1.0 uf mylar cap. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 5 11:44:03 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id LAA13760; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 11:40:19 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 11:40:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970805133734.00698104@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 13:37:34 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: Re: Power Supplies In-Reply-To: <33E76240.3771@sunherald.infi.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"FOSbA.0.qM3.CEtvp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4722 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 10:26 8/5/97 -0700, kyle wrote: >Hi All: > >Does anyone here know how to build a 50VDC @ 10A (50KVDC isolated) power >supply? > >Kyle At 10:26 8/5/97 -0700, you wrote: >Hi All: > >Does anyone here know how to build a 50VDC @ 10A (50KVDC isolated) power >supply? > >Kyle Sure...no problem. Decent of the shelf switchers will usually withstand 6KV. Only the transformer design, and opto-coupler (for voltage feedback) would have to be modified to withstand the additional stress. A linear regulator would require changes to the transformer design, and probably the addition of isolated feedback. Do you have a more detailed specification? Best Regards, JD ------------------------------------- E-mail to mules@palacenet.net ------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 5 11:46:06 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id LAA25312; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 11:45:29 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 11:45:29 -0700 Message-ID: <33E79DE1.3A1B@tiac.net> Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 14:40:49 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Reply-To: bshannon@tiac.net Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Barkhausen Battery ? !! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"QFjyT1.0.PB6.8Jtvp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4723 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Steve Ekwall wrote: > > > ---------- > > > From: Mark Holden > > > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > > Subject: Re: Barkhausen Battery ? !! > > > Date: Monday, August 04, 1997 4:56 PM > > > > > > My $0.02 worth. From what I read below this sure sounds like my toy > > > crystal radio set.. a coil a cap and a diode.. generates power > > > passively. Hmmmmm. > > > > > > > Mark, I agree with your $0.02 worth! my boys just built one last month. Steve, if you can get radio waves through the shielding of the prototype your doing quite well. Please, check the article before you agree on where the energy comes from! It is NOT ambient RF energy. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 5 11:52:06 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id LAA27913; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 11:50:58 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 11:50:58 -0700 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 12:42:12 -0600 (MDT) From: Jorg Ostrowski To: William Beaty Cc: Mike , freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: microwave cooking In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Organization: Calgary Free-Net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"afI19.0.-p6.HOtvp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4724 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On the above topic, has anyone read a report by Hans Hertel, a Swiss scientist, who concluded that microwaved cooking changes the nutrients in food with subsequent changes in the blood? I only have a short article as an abstract. Has anyone read this report? Is anyone familiar with his clinical research? I would like to read an executive summary of his work. __________________________________________________________ Jorg Ostrowski, M. Arch. A.S. (MIT), B. Arch. (Toronto), Ecotect in full-time professional practice since 1976 (Straw Bale since 1978), 3 demonstration projects in Canada built 1979, 1981, 1994, +80,000 visitors - living a conserver lifestyle & working in a sustainable home and office Web Site [under construction]: http://www.ucalgary.ca/~jdo/ecotecture.htm _____________________________________________________________ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 5 12:00:21 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id LAA16389; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 11:55:37 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 11:55:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33E78473.84F@sunherald.infi.net> Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 12:52:19 -0700 From: kyle Reply-To: stk@sunherald.infi.net Organization: InfiNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Power Supplies References: <3.0.1.32.19970805133734.00698104@palacenet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"tQ3by2.0.z_3.ZStvp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4725 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Jack DeMule wrote: > > At 10:26 8/5/97 -0700, kyle wrote: > >Hi All: > > > >Does anyone here know how to build a 50VDC @ 10A (50KVDC isolated) power > >supply? > > > >Kyle > > At 10:26 8/5/97 -0700, you wrote: > >Hi All: > > > >Does anyone here know how to build a 50VDC @ 10A (50KVDC isolated) power > >supply? > > > >Kyle > > Sure...no problem. Decent of the shelf switchers will usually > withstand 6KV. Only the transformer design, and opto-coupler > (for voltage feedback) would have to be modified to withstand > the additional stress. > > A linear regulator would require changes to the transformer > design, and probably the addition of isolated feedback. > > Do you have a more detailed specification? > > Best Regards, > JD http://www.newphys.se/elektromagnum/physics/KeelyNet/gravity/gravity3.asc you can find the specs there From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 5 12:21:15 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id MAA02135; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 12:19:44 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 12:19:44 -0700 Message-ID: <01BCA198.E0C8FAE0.reed@zenergy.com> From: Reed Huish Reply-To: "reed@zenergy.com" To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: RE: DE PALMA news ?? Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 11:54:33 -0700 Organization: Zenergy Corporation X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <"Y_K6R2.0.EX.Dptvp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4726 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > >I visited the page announced on Keelynet. > >Can the N-MACHINE run at overunity?. > >The last information I had not say this. Only a 80% eff. > > I don=B4t know what dePalma has now, but a few years back > he did not have a self running machine. A few years back a few of my partners were added to the list of over 20+ investors who have been taken for a ride by DePalma. After draining their wallets thoroughly, he rewarded their investment by dreaming up the creative lies he has posted on his web-site. We have stacks of documentation and letters from DePalma which prove just the opposite of what he is claiming. It's a sad reflection of who he is, as DePalma has never shown a single device, independently tested to be over-unity or self-running. The device my partners funded at best was about 75% efficient, which tests were performed by an qualified, independent engineer. Please email me if you would like copies of those test results. After the relationship deteriorated, we offered to sell the machine back to him at cost, but he didn't want it (because he knew it didn't work), and the device was later advertised in Space Energy Journal and New Energy News, but no one wanted it, so it was sold as scrap for about US$4,000. So after years of not making anything perform as he as promised, it's time for DePalma to either show the world a device that works and let a proper lab test it, or get out of the way of people who are working hard to make the energy revolution a reality. - Reed Huish Zenergy Corporation http://zenergy.com ---------------------------------- TO: To whom it may concern FROM: Mike Fisher DATE: 4 February 1997 NO. PAGES: 2 including this cover REGARDING: Bruce DePalma's "Internet Bulletin" of 11 October 1996 Dear Sir or Madam: This is a letter in response to an internet bulletin from Bruce DePalma=20 primarily concerning the working relationship two years ago between=20 Bruce DePalma, Michael Robison, myself and others under the corporate=20 entities of the Space Power Corporation Pty Ltd and the Space Power=20 Corporation Ltd. I feel that it is important to set the record straight=20 as I know there is all sorts of gossip in this field. He claimed I=20 behaved fraudulently and illegally, and that a $10 million suit for=20 libel and defamation is pending against me, and that "The Serious Fraud=20 Office has expressed sincere interest in pursuing the matter to the=20 limit of the law". I was naturally alarmed at such a charge, thus I=20 wrote to the Serious Fraud Office in New Zealand, who confirmed that=20 "you are not, and have not been, under investigation by this Office."=20 DePalma's charge thus appears to be quite untrue, as is most of the=20 content of his bulletin. With due respect to Mr DePalma, his bulletin is a sad misrepresentation=20 of the facts. The bottom line was that after much support, the=20 investment of a considerable portion of my life's savings, other=20 investors' funds, the services of several financial and legal advisers,=20 all these provided for the construction of DePalma's prototype, the=20 worldwide patenting of the technology and the setting up of the=20 commercial structures for the benefit of the technology and Mr DePalma.=20 He was unable to provide us with over-unity test results as he had=20 promised, and we subsequently discovered that the prototype N-machine=20 was showing no signs of ever producing over-unity output and behaved in=20 accordance with conventional physics. Thus the project was abandoned.=20 Full test results and other documents are available for the open=20 scrutiny of any interested party. Oh that we could have proved Mr=20 DePalma right in his claims! The world would have much to celebrate. As part of the settlement in the severing of the business relationship,=20 Mr DePalma was offered the prototype that we believed did not perform=20 as claimed, and although he still maintained that its efficiency was in=20 excess of 100%, he said he had no use for it. If it was so good, why=20 would he not want it? Thus the generator was advertised for sale in=20 New Energy News and other journals, and was eventually sold for a scrap=20 value of less than US$5000. For your information the Space Power Corporation Pty Ltd and the Space=20 Power Corporation Ltd are no longer corporate entities and have been=20 closed down due to the failure of DePalma's technology to perform.=20 Zenergy Corporation is an entirely separate corporation, with different=20 directors and shareholders, and is unrelated to either of the Space=20 Power Corporations. Zenergy Corporation and its principals are dedicated to helping bring=20 to the world the new sustainable energy technologies that are so=20 urgently needed, under a corporate structure that will bring=20 recognition and considerable financial rewards to the inventors of=20 these revolutionary technologies. Sincerely Mike Fisher From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 5 12:38:03 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id MAA05890; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 12:37:03 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 12:37:03 -0700 X-Sender: "Unverified" X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: bshannon@tiac.net From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Re: Barkhausen Battery ? Scalar waves FAQ ? Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 21:39:01 MET Message-Id: <19970805213901.060745f9.in@pop3.vossnet.de> Resent-Message-ID: <"JP2Co1.0.xR1.T3uvp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4727 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >> >> Why does a magnetically biased steal rod with a big coil around it >> AT ALL shows these jumping domains ? > >In the works of T.E. Baearden, there is a discussion of an effect where >a shielded permanent magnet's field will be weakly modulated by any >scalar waves that pass through the sheilding and magnet. > >This phenomena is described as being the basis for a form of scalar >detector which Mr. Bearden describes as the "Dea/Faretto" detector, but >I know of another researchers who claims that this design is actually >his work, rather than that of Dea and Faretto's. > >So, if these scalar waves do pass through shielding, and if thay do >produce weak modulations of the shielded magnets field, then biasing a >highly non-linear magnetic material at its most critical point should >allow us to see this weak, scalar induced magnetic modulation. > >Indeed, the Barkhausen effect detector, and Barkhausen effect battery do >show that the domains do not reach equlibrium as we might expect. Some >claim that this is due to thermal noise alone, but I have been unable to >effect the background domain transition rate by freezing the detector in >a solid block of ice. > >The fact that the detector, no matter how well shielded, responds to >externally generated "scalar" events clearly shows that SOMETHING is >indeed passing through the shielding, just as is described of these so >called scalar waves, and that it is also modulating the field of the >magnet, just as Mr. Bearden describes. > >> Is there so much magnetically flux noise around us or does the earth >> magnetic field change a lot over time ? > >The magnetic shielding is quite good, and the finished detector assembly >is often placed inside a second Faraday cage, so I do not think that the >Earths geomagnetic field is causing the domain transitions. This could >not explain the detection of carefully modulated signals by these >detectors. (This observation has been confirmed by several builders of >this detector.) Hmm, maybe a Barkhausen effect Battery is then just a Scalar wave to Electromagnetic energy converter ? > >> Maybe it would just be a converter for elcetromagnetic waves >> from radio ? So we would just extract radio energy via it ? > >But the detector is completely shielded from EM waves! I see. so this should really prove that there is indeed something else than EM waves causing it... > >> >Rick tested this device in my workshop in centeral Massachusetts, on a >> >visit to evaulate several similar devices. >> > >> >> Who did build it and what did you measure ? >> > >> >I built it. I'll let Rick Wall discuss the testing he performed and >> >observed. >> > >> >> Okay, sounds good. >> >> I guess, if the right materials could be found this could get a real interesting >> effect to scalke it up and to extract much more power and maybe >> violate the 2nd Law, cause it could run the magnetic steel rod material cool ? > >The second law is not violated by the Barkhausen Effect Battery! It is >an open system, having its magnet weakly modulated by background scalar >radiation. The second law does not apply to any open systems. Yes, that sounds right. > >> Regards, Stefan. >> >> P.S.: Is there anywhere else an easy description, what SCALAR WAVEs >> are and what they can used for and what the main difference versus >> electromagnetic waves are and if they are really for REAL ? > >You really need to read T.E. Bearden's "Towards a New Electromagnetics" >which is in several parts. These are avaiable from Tesla Book Co. Do you know, if there is a FAQ about Scalar waves on the Internet ? > >> I thought until now, it is just a theory and there is no proof they really >> exist ?? > >Many people beleive that this is the case. There are many experimenters >who have been working with scalar technology for many years now, and >there are a lot of well conducted experiments that cannot be understood >by conventional theory alone. > >Personally, I beleive that the core of what Mr. Bearden describes is >supported by exprimental evidence, and that scalar waves are quite real >indeed. > Hmm, what are the main advantages of Scalar waves then ? Just , that EM shielding does not stop them ? How far do they travel ? At what speed ? Faster than Light ? How can they be used to transmit information ? How can information be demodulated from it ? Are there already any realworld applications and devices that work for information transmission (broadcasting) ? Best regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 5 12:39:38 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id MAA06508; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 12:38:46 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 12:38:46 -0700 X-Sender: "Unverified" X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Re: One-way transformer design Cc: tv@juno.com Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 21:38:28 MET Message-Id: <19970805213828.0606cda5.in@pop3.vossnet.de> Resent-Message-ID: <"HBB7_1.0.Yb1.55uvp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4728 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >Greetings Fred, Greg, and others interested in magnetic energy anomalies, > >My late friend Leon Dragone told me about a very interesting experiment >which he >was not able to finish. He had a large coil of wire with an inductance >of several >hundred henries with a ferrite core in the center. He claimed that by >putting short >pulse through the coil and then switching the coil to an output he was >getting an excess of energy back out of a rectifier circuit attached to >the output stage. Leon >said the timing was important or the device would not display the >anomalous behavior. > ....etc.. >There may be something to Joe Newmans giant coils after all, especially >when the >coils contain soft or semisoft ferromagnetic cores.. > >Tim Vaughan >( tv@juno.com ) Hi Tim, sounds very interesting. Could you ask your friend to find out more ? How short (time) were the pulses and what voltage ? How was the output circuit connected to the coil ? Please let us know. Thanks ! Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 5 13:11:26 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id NAA12726; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 13:10:14 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 13:10:14 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970805151001.006a7150@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 15:10:01 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: Re: Power Supplies In-Reply-To: <33E78473.84F@sunherald.infi.net> References: <3.0.1.32.19970805133734.00698104@palacenet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"y_LR82.0.j63.aYuvp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4729 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 12:52 8/5/97 -0700, kyle wrote: >http://www.newphys.se/elektromagnum/physics/KeelyNet/gravity/gravity3.asc > >you can find the specs there Looked at it. There are no detailed electrical specifications. However, after looking at the circuit...regulation, and efficiency, must not be much of a concern. That'll be a heavy pig! So, other than a source for the step-down transformer, what's your question? Oh, do not use glycerine as a dielectric. It's hygroscopic, and unless you are meticulously clean, ionic contamination will render it a poor insulator. Although if you are careful, and clean everything that will come in contact with the dielectric thoroughly, distilled water alone is a good dielectric...and the dielectric constant of water is ~81. I've only seen water used as a dielectric in pulse forming applications, I don't know if it's suitable for continuous applications...I suspect it cause problems. Best Regards, JD ------------------------------------- E-mail to mules@palacenet.net ------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 5 13:43:45 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id NAA18730; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 13:42:35 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 13:42:35 -0700 From: Keasy@aol.com Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 16:41:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970805163934_1727553253@emout18.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com cc: tv@juno.com Subject: Idea, any interest? Resent-Message-ID: <"k4raW1.0.Za4.v0vvp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4730 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Like most of you on this list, I play around with different electric/magnetic configurations. It occured to me that you can do the following: You have a battery with DC current flowing through it. It is supplying DC power to a resistor located a few centimeters (or any reasonable small distance) away. There is, however no electrical conductor OF ANY KIND between the battery and the resistor. This is something that can be done using conventional electromagnetic theory and nothing else. In its simplest configuration (which is as far as I have gotten) it can only be done for "short" periods of time (micro- to milliseconds). But the questions are whether this sounds like something known and previously discussed and, if not, if members of the list have an interest. If it appears of interest I will try to come up with a web page or at least descriptive details. Ken Keasy@aol.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 5 15:16:53 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id PAA07522; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 15:15:50 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 15:15:50 -0700 Message-ID: <33E7ADAC.14A9@sunherald.infi.net> Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 15:48:13 -0700 From: kyle Reply-To: stk@sunherald.infi.net Organization: InfiNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Power Supplies References: <3.0.1.32.19970805133734.00698104@palacenet.net> <3.0.1.32.19970805151001.006a7150@palacenet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"lyda5.0.Rr1.LOwvp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4731 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Jack DeMule wrote: > > At 12:52 8/5/97 -0700, kyle wrote: > >http://www.newphys.se/elektromagnum/physics/KeelyNet/gravity/gravity3.asc > > > >you can find the specs there > > Looked at it. There are no detailed electrical specifications. > However, after looking at the circuit...regulation, and efficiency, > must not be much of a concern. That'll be a heavy pig! > So, other than a source for the step-down transformer, what's your > question? So, if I build the coil/power supplies as is said in the web page, it should work (relativly speaking) and not (the power supplies) blow up in my face? > > Oh, do not use glycerine as a dielectric. It's hygroscopic, and > unless you are meticulously clean, ionic contamination will render > it a poor insulator. Although if you are careful, and clean > everything that will come in contact with the dielectric thoroughly, > distilled water alone is a good dielectric...and the dielectric > constant of water is ~81. I've only seen water used as a dielectric > in pulse forming applications, I don't know if it's suitable for > continuous applications...I suspect it cause problems. > What dielectrics would you suggest? Kyle From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 5 15:23:00 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id PAA08392; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 15:21:49 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 15:21:49 -0700 Message-ID: <33E7C0AE.5D65@keelynet.com> Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 17:09:18 -0700 From: Jerry Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Fwd: INFRA- RED INQUIRE] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------62B705F7D2" Resent-Message-ID: <"EXoIB.0.-22.yTwvp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4732 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------62B705F7D2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gnorts! Does anyone know anything about this? I never saw the link or would have scooped it to a save file.....thanks for any help you might be able to provide.... -- Jerry W. 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THIS SITE GAVE THE COMPANY AND CHEMICAL NAME FOR DESIGNING SUCH ITEMS, WITH UP TO 2000 TIMES LIGHT GAIN, THIS SITE LASTED ONLY ONE DAY, CAN YOU HELP ME ON THIS INFO. . THANK YOU JOHN MORRIS --------------62B705F7D2-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 5 17:17:03 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id RAA03943; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 17:16:23 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 17:16:23 -0700 From: HLafonte@aol.com Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 20:15:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970805201510_-1638243865@emout09.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Fwd: To Evan Soule Resent-Message-ID: <"CwC5R.0.Wz.M9yvp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4733 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: --------------------- Forwarded message: Subj: To Evan Soule Date: 97-08-05 20:14:07 EDT From: HLafonte To: Newman-L@emachine.com Evan, What are your thoughts on this? Thanks, Butch Hi Butch I am ready to contribute both money and idea's. My son and I are presently building a small scale configuration of a motor using Joe's theory of electricity. We have also a plan for a high speed commutator that would suit this technology. My suggestion is that we put together a list of persons who would like to contribute money and/or idea's so that we can communicate. Scheduled meetings at the chat room would be nice. These meetings would need to be structure to discuss and arrive at set goals to bring our project to fruition. Before we start actually building we would need to setup financial structure to insure that things are cared for properly. This would encourage others to trust the group with further donations. A public relations man should be chosen to keep donors informed . Perhaps we could talk Evan into that job. Finally the technical discussion of just what configuration we are going to use and how we can best effect the plan. At some point perhaps Joe himself would like to work with us on this project. And then as always, when men come together on a project there will be developments made that may need to be protected legally. These are just a few questions to begin with. Thanks J R L > Note to evan from Butch: I am up to 25 now and more people coming every day. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 5 17:54:18 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id RAA00375; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 17:53:01 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 17:53:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708060053.RAA13923@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: Barkhausen Battery ? Scalar waves FAQ ? Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 17:56:13 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"fvasB.0.i5.ghyvp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4734 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Bob, Stefan , and all, > >So, if these scalar waves do pass through shielding, and if thay do > >produce weak modulations of the shielded magnets field, then biasing a > >highly non-linear magnetic material at its most critical point should > >allow us to see this weak, scalar induced magnetic modulation. As it happens this is also one situation you could use to cohere thermal and Zpe fluctuations. > > > >Indeed, the Barkhausen effect detector, and Barkhausen effect battery do > >show that the domains do not reach equlibrium as we might expect. Some > >claim that this is due to thermal noise alone, but I have been unable to > >effect the background domain transition rate by freezing the detector in > >a solid block of ice. I'm not sure that would be enough cooling to noticeably affect noise levels-- but that's just a quibble. I trust your experimental knowledge about your own device. You have detected many transient phenomena that definitely could not be cohered noise energy. It seems more likey that scalar waves are the cause of the noise in the Barkhausen core, but I think it would be a good idea to consider both the scalar wave and noise fluctuation theories as viable and gather evidence for both. There may be a connection there that need to be investigated. Anyway, the noise fluctuation idea is too fruitful to pass up. > . This could > >not explain the detection of carefully modulated signals by these > >detectors. (This observation has been confirmed by several builders of > >this detector.) Modulated signals... not noise fluctuations ;-} > > > >The second law is not violated by the Barkhausen Effect Battery! It is > >an open system, having its magnet weakly modulated by background scalar > >radiation. The second law does not apply to any open systems. Of course since scalars pass through all materials (?) they prevent any system from being closed, and again the second law is never true, except possibly at a cosmic level. > > > Hmm, what are the main advantages of Scalar waves then ? > Just , that EM shielding does not stop them ? > > How far do they travel ? At what speed ? Faster than Light ? > > How can they be used to transmit information ? > How can information be demodulated from it ? > > Are there already any realworld applications and devices that work > for information transmission (broadcasting) ? > All good questions from Stefan...I especially like the speed one.. Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 5 17:56:51 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id RAA00917; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 17:55:17 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 17:55:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970805185035.006d2fb8@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 18:50:35 -0500 To: stk@sunherald.infi.net, freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: Re: Power Supplies In-Reply-To: <33E7ADAC.14A9@sunherald.infi.net> References: <3.0.1.32.19970805133734.00698104@palacenet.net> <3.0.1.32.19970805151001.006a7150@palacenet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"NipNQ3.0.EE.pjyvp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4735 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 15:48 8/5/97 -0700, kyle wrote: >So, if I build the coil/power supplies as is said in the web page, it >should work (relativly speaking) and not (the power supplies) blow up in >my face? You should assume that it will blow up in your face, and take every precaution. The diagrams look OK, but the construction is also critical. You'll learn from your mistakes...but do try to avoid being injured. I don't know what the device will do, let me know when you find out..OK? I've known very capable engineers, and technicians, that spent most of their careers working with in power conversion, who screwed up. They aren't with us today. So far I've been lucky, but I have some horror stories to tell. I'd suggest looking at transformers used in broadcast transmitters, (possibly used in cascade, to provide the necessary isolation.) Maybe Fair Radio, in Lima Ohio, will have something you can cobble together? >What dielectrics would you suggest? Mineral oil. It's a fire hazard, but not as dangerous as molten wax. Since PCB's were banned, it's the only decent dielectric most experimenters can afford. Maybe someone on the list can suggest something better, that doesn't cost an arm and a leg? Best Regards, JD ------------------------------------------------------------ "Don't panic! ...I'm not from the government, and I wouldn't lift a finger to help you." -Bug Eyed Monster E-mail to: mules@palacenet.net ------------------------------------------------------------ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 5 18:34:16 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id SAA24060; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 18:33:28 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 18:33:28 -0700 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 6 Aug 97 11:57 NZST X-Sender: srae@shoppe.mlb.planet.gen.nz Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: srae@mlb.planet.gen.nz (Stuart Rae) Subject: Re:Time X-Mailer: Resent-Message-ID: <"aGmaf1.0.rt5.dHzvp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4736 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi All, Fred said: >I would like to start a general discussion of what time is,........... I agree...... about time :-) However, it seems to me that in any discussion of this nature (particularly where it relates to the basic characteristics of electric phenomena), there are going to be some communications difficulties when the terms we use to convey concepts may not be clearly defined, or infer different things to different people. For example, in any "electromagnetic" context, such terms as; time, velocity, energy, energy flow, current, flux, wave, particle, etc., aren't necessarily clearly defined, and if there is no consensus of meaning, there can be no rational discourse. The concepts "time" and "electrical energy" are classic. Fred once commented (quote): >About time.. actually I agree with you. My sense is that time IS a >clever illusion of matter. My provisional definition of time is: > > TIME IS THE RESISTANCE OF MATTER TO ENERGY, OR INERTIA. > > If matter presents no resistance to the flow of energy, then energy >propagates instantaneously. Mechanically, this resistance takes the form of >inertia and inertial forces, electrically, it takes the form of reactance. >These are really different levels of the same phenomena. and again recently: >Time is the resistance of matter to energy. On the essential points, I have to agree. So considering the comment; >then it can be resolved, if one wishes, by saying that the energy of the >circuit actually travels at velocities much higher than light. we have to ask ourselves: How does energy "TRAVEL" at "VELOCITIES", when "TIME" is not a characteristic of "ENERGY"? Of course the answer is, it doesn't! As Fred correctly said, "...energy propagates instantaneously" (for want of a better term). And light, or higher than light velocities are totally irrelevant in this context, in that our temporal concepts only apply where there are the inertial properties of matter. So the implied proviso; "_IF_ matter presents no resistance to the flow of energy....."; might appear to be a slight contradiction, that assigns to "energy" a variable temporal identity. So what is the nature of "energy" - or more specifically - "electrical energy"? It follows from the above view of "time", that what we commonly refer to as electrical energy, is more often, only the physical reaction of particulate matter to the stimulus of some other causal entity. And that causal entity is also very "real", but without the characteristics of our familiar temporal environment. In essence then, the true nature of "electricity" or "electrical energy" remains as mysterious and unknown today, as it was in the days of Faraday and Thompson. It also follows that the term "energy flow" can only have meaning in the context of a relationship of the "energy source" itself, to that which we choose to call particulate matter. So one question might be; do we yet have any accurate common agreement on just what an electrical "current" really is? Sadly, I don't think so. We define it, and talk about it in terms of charge, potentials, coulombs, amperes, electrons, holes, ions etc., but can we really say: >The current flowed from the battery through the >load first, then the long wire, then the switch, then the battery return. >When the switch was closed, as far as I can tell an instantanous >electrostatic scalar potential is set up in the circuit, then the CURRENT >travels at a velocity determined by a time constant, assumed to be the >velocity of light in this simplified description. when we still teach our children that an electrical current is a movement of electrons in a conductor subject to a difference in electrical potential. But of course we also know that electrons move only very slowly in the conductor, so in explanation, we say that it is the electrical potential that is "somehow" transmitted to all the electrons down the conductor at a velocity determined by the time constant, which starts the electrons moving in a current wave down the wire, and leave it at that. Not particularly convincing. In fact it would be more rational to hypothesize that "electrical energy" and an "electrical current" are in fact one and the same thing, and that the phenomena of electron movement in a conductor is only a secondary inertial reaction of particulate matter in the "conductor", to a primary causal agent. And if that is true, Eric Dollard is correct when he suggests that our electrical conductors are in fact the true insulators of electricity, and what we refer to as insulators or dieletrics are the true conductors of electricity. Stuart Rae From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 5 19:43:28 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id TAA07611; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 19:42:20 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 19:42:20 -0700 Message-Id: <199708060240.VAA24729@ns.vvm.com> X-Mailer: Calypso Version 2.20.16 Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 21:42:12 -0500 From: "Brent Davidson" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: ATTN: kyle -> G.R.C. Thoughts Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <"71pqv3.0.qs1.BI-vp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4737 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Have you put any thought into the field configurations of the various= magnetic and electric fileds involved in this device? Several years ago,= before I was even on the internet, I was studying magnetics in physics= class, and just absent mindedly began drawing field configurations in my= notebook, and the asociated devices that would produce them. I came up= with a field configuration that was almost identical to that of the= gravity resonance coil. As the years have gone by, I have added various= things to the overall design, but never had the time to construct= anything. I can't help but believe that this is an important device.= There was news story from 3 - 4 years ago, about a man that had been= arrested for breaking into a university to steal a large laser. He had= already stolen 5 of those large (Volkswagen sized) transformers that are= used in power substations. He had apparently used anything metal he could= find to build a coil similar to the GRC that encompassed his entire house.= The police became suspicious when several of his neighbors reported power= surges/brownouts, and the man's house apparently "flickering" as if parts= of it were disapearing and re-apearing. When the police arrested the man= at his home, they found that the only living space in the house was one= room, in the center of which was a control panel of some sort, and another= coil positioned around a chamber with 5 lasers focused on it (one from= each corner of a square, and one from below. There was apparently a place= above the chamber for the laser he had unsuccessfully attempted to steal= the night before. In the short news interview segment they had with him,= he claimed to have discoverd a method for producing an artificial quantum= singularity (wormhole), and was going to use the lasers to stabilise it.= He said that once he had it stabilized, he believed that he would be able= to unlock the secret of time travel. He was sentenced to 5 years in= Prison for theft, but in the mean time, the university he had tried to= steal the last laser from paid for all the equiptment he had stolen and= offered to keep his "lab" intact if he would come to work for them when he= got out of prison. If I get time, I might attempt to construct my own GRC BTW: Are you familiar with the show Sliders? If not, it was a sci-fi show= about inter-dimensional travel. In the pilot episode that premiered a few= years ago, the "Sliding Machine" on "Earth Prime" looked a lot like the= gravity resonance coil. Good Luck, -Brent From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 5 20:15:42 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id UAA17286; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 20:13:25 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 20:13:25 -0700 Message-Id: <199708060407.XAA08808@csrlink.net> From: "Jim Shaffer, Jr." To: Subject: Re: Gravity Resonance Coil Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 18:18:40 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"2-EGr1.0.wD4.Jl-vp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4738 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I haven't heard of anyone building one, but someone once mentioned to me that there were rumors of Jack Parsons working on something similar shortly before he died. I haven't heard anything more about this. "I don't want the world -- I just want your half." --T.M.B.G. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 5 21:00:46 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id UAA03409; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 20:47:39 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 20:47:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33E80CCC.611@swbell.net> Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 22:34:04 -0700 From: Dragonslayer Organization: Apollo Industries X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-SBWA (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: jdecker@keelynet.com Subject: Re: [Fwd: INFRA- RED INQUIRE] References: <33E7C0AE.5D65@keelynet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Jsg7l3.0.pq.fE_vp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4739 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Jerry wrote: > > Gnorts! > > Does anyone know anything about this? I never saw the link or would have > scooped it to a save file.....thanks for any help you might be able to > provide.... > > -- > Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com > http://www.keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" > Voice : (214) 324-8741 / KeelyNet BBS (214) 324-3501 > KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite, Republic of Texas - 75187 > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: INFRA- RED INQUIRE > Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 14:10:57 -0700 > From: "John Morris" > To: > > DEAR SIR, > RECENTLY I FOUND ON YOUR SITE ABOUT A > WEEK AGO , A HYPERLINK THAT HAD A METHOD > FOR MAKING YOUR OWN INFRA-RED GLASSES. > THIS SITE GAVE THE COMPANY AND CHEMICAL > NAME FOR DESIGNING SUCH ITEMS, WITH UP TO > 2000 TIMES LIGHT GAIN, THIS SITE LASTED ONLY > ONE DAY, CAN YOU HELP ME ON THIS INFO. > . > THANK YOU > JOHN MORRIS John, You might try Information Unlimited at http://www.amazing1.com/index.html#index for information on some electronics and infra-red. If they don't have what your looking for, at least it will get you started on finding out. Todd From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 5 22:28:41 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id WAA19869; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 22:27:21 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 22:27:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33E7615F.5030@mail.dux.ru> Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 21:22:39 +0400 From: "Alexander V. Frolov" Reply-To: frolov@mail.dux.ru Organization: Home Lab X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Time rate and extra power References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ns7ok1.0.Ms4.ti0wp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4740 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Stuart Rae wrote: > Fred said: > >I would like to start a general discussion of what time is,........... > I agree...... about time :-) Hello to all fans here! Just today subscribed and I am very glad to see discussion about time in the free energy list. It is right direction, I think. 1. All we need from power generator is some Work per unit of Time. 2. Assume, some output power is more than input power, i.e. the system seems as free energy device. Why? There is no difference in the nature of the Work for input and output, but if the time rate for input and output can be different, some extra power can be generated free. 3. So, in common words the system operation is extraction of the power from the time flow. There is strictly mathematical theory for it and real experiments by N. Kozyrev of 1950-1990. There is one interesting result from it: The Time can add into the system some moment of motion, but it is not a linear moment and it is the rotation (torsion) moment of motion. Also there is right-left asymmetry of the effect. So, by my opinion, self-rotation systems (we know by many old stories) are possible just by this way. For electromagnetic type systems the power from time flow also must be connected with non-linear kinetic moment. In the book by Einstein&Infeld there is clear mark for it: First experience of people for such sort electromagnetic effects was Oersted's result, since the line of the resulting force and the lines of the primary field is perpendicular. So, we can make the conclusion: some effects are connected with Lorentz's force can lead to overunity and local time rate control. Note, that in this view the time machine can produce only local deceleration of the time rate when it use part of the space-time structure for free power generation. By T.Bearden it means some utilization of photon part of the photon/antiphoton wave-pair which is the graviton itself and the space-time consist of such sort wave-pairs. Sure, we can not use all photon energy since it is tremendous power. So, the change of the rate of the time will be a very small for free energy prototypes. Sure, there are many other methods to change the structure of space-time. Any matter body exist as a local change of it. So, modulation of its parameters means modulation of local time rate for this body and reversed reply in the space near the body. Alexander V. Frolov From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 5 23:14:14 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id XAA30851; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 23:13:33 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 23:13:33 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970805120218.006ab27c@multinet.net.il> X-Sender: BUSHI@multinet.net.il X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 12:02:18 +0300 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Lev Robert Subject: Re: Carbon arc process In-Reply-To: <83535@multinet.multinet.net.il> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"xEZ0-.0.yX7.CO1wp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4741 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Gene Many years ago carbon arc were used in the movie projectors as a very intensive light source. During the process the carbon rods burnet themselves. Was it the reason for the intermition in the movies in addition to changinging roles?? Robert At 06:42 PM 01-08-97 GMT+0200, you wrote: > >Gene: I got excited about the same thing a couple of years ago. After >spending time reading the patent I was not nearly as excited. I do not >recall if another person told me or if the carbon consumption is mentioned >in the patent. However I do remember that the device did use more carbon >than I was interested in using. You can view the patent for free on the IBM >search site. > If you like hydrogen I believe patent #5085176 will satisfy you. Check it >out. >Thanks wes > > > BUSHILEV From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 5 23:14:17 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id XAA30876; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 23:13:37 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 23:13:37 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970805120941.006ab27c@multinet.net.il> X-Sender: BUSHI@multinet.net.il X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 12:09:41 +0300 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Lev Robert Subject: Re: Lets build a BIG Newman motor together ! In-Reply-To: <83701@multinet.multinet.net.il> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"euewA3.0.HY7.GO1wp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4742 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Excelent idea but isn't a bit risque because of Mr Newmansensitivity of patent infringments?? Robert ---------------------------- At 09:13 PM 02-08-97 GMT+0200, you wrote: >This is an excellent idea. I'm in college now (Texas A&M), and don't have much spare change to contribute, but I am involved with a group that would love to see something like this come about. I could make arrangements for demonstartions at A&M, and for professional verification, if this did come about. The group has also expressed interest in getting Mr. Newman to come and speak, if he is willing to do so. > >-Brent > > >On 08/01/97, at 11:13 AM, HLafonte@aol.com wrote: > >>Greg, you said, >>It >>would be impossible for any special interest group to look all 100 of us >>in the eyes and say we're crazy. Media attention would be a snap to set >>up. Once rolling, this ball could not be stopped!! Joe would certainly >>be able to get his patents. Where that'd leave us 100 dedicated >>Newmanites is anybody's best guess though. >>>snip >>Greg, >> What do you say we pole the list and see how many people we can get to >>join in building the 1000 pounds of copper wire Newman motor? >> I live 1/2 mile from an electric motor rebuild shop ( 5 to multi-1000 hp >>motors). >>I have friends there and could use some of the empty space in the back to >>build it. >>They have a crane, and a machine shop is next door that I have a done lots of >>business with. Joe Newman lives only 5 hours drive from here. (Birmingham, >>Alabama, USA) >> Do you think people on the list would donate a small amount each to pay >>for materals? I would be the first to donate money and do all the labor for >>free. >> I was an aircraft mechanic in the Air Force and have been working in >>mechnical design for 25 years. I should be able to build it with the tech. >>help of people on the list. I work out of my home and could take a sabbatical >>to build it. >> Just think what we could do with a Newman motor that size, that could be >>moved to any location by a small truck. Two hundred or more people behind it >>as a team should get some attention also. >> What do you think? >> List comments welcome also. >> Butch LaFonte >> > > > BUSHILEV From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 5 23:23:31 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id XAA26474; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 23:21:43 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 23:21:43 -0700 (PDT) From: HLafonte@aol.com Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 02:19:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970806021959_208336931@emout14.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: DC circuit,simple question, simple answer ? Resent-Message-ID: <"FhX8H2.0.XT6.qV1wp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4743 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Question, A simple circuit of two wires, SUPER CONDUCTING, one connected to the positive terminal of the battery, the other to the negetive terminal. The two wires run side by side, almost touching. The switch is closed and the current starts to flow from the negetive terminal down this wire that runs out for 186,000 miles. A progression of positive charged atoms (they do not move) start at the same time from the positive terminal (due to electrons flowing into the battery) and races down the wire to meet the current in the other wire 186,000 miles down the wire. At the instant they meet a switch is closed bypassing the battery and making the circuit a closed short circuit. At this instant also, the two wires are allowed to move apart. They are in repulsion due to opposite current flow. QUESTION! Does the inductive time constant increase ( time for current to fall ) due to the movement of the two wires apart or does the inductive time constant decrease (time for current to fall ). This is in comparsion to the time constant for the circuit during the initial pulse. note: (switch time = zero). note: wires in attraction have higher inductance that wires in repulsion, this is a static situation, the wires in the thought experment are STATIC during initial pulse, and MOVING apart after circuit is shorted. note:wires are not in a gravity field. Your comments, please Butch LaFonte From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 5 23:44:20 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id XAA02420; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 23:41:48 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 23:41:48 -0700 (PDT) From: HLafonte@aol.com Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 02:39:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970806023950_787852585@emout12.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Pole for building BIG Newman machine (500 to 1000 pounds of copper) Resent-Message-ID: <"h2ER92.0.jb.co1wp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4744 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I would like to thank everyone who has responded to the pole and offered to join in the project. I will answer all post as I can get to them. All comments are welcome, (good and bad) as this is a project in the beginning stages. Thanks, Butch LaFonte Note: Special thanks to Stefan Hartman for offering to help with cost and technical advice. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 5 23:51:33 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id XAA10672; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 23:50:50 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 23:50:50 -0700 Message-Id: <199708060652.XAA20780@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: Re:Time Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 23:55:06 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"YWOb-3.0.dc2.9x1wp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4745 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Stuart and all, > For example, in any "electromagnetic" context, such terms as; time, > velocity, energy, energy flow, current, flux, wave, particle, etc., aren't > necessarily clearly defined, and if there is no consensus of meaning, there > can be no rational discourse. The concepts "time" and "electrical energy" > are classic. I would point out that all definitions are tautologies, that is, they refer only to each other. The various electromagnetic quantities are very well defined in terms of each other. Of course that says nothing about our understanding of them :-) The odd thing about time is that it is the only quantity that is absolute, and not allowed to change in relation to the others. Modern physics has vanquished absolutism in every area except that of time. In the case of relativity the metric is determined at every point by a clock and a ruler which are considered to be physical. The fact is, that time has no meaning outside of the proerties of real systems. This implies that time constants can be manipulated to create excess energy. > > > > TIME IS THE RESISTANCE OF MATTER TO ENERGY, OR INERTIA. > > > > If matter presents no resistance to the flow of energy, then energy > >propagates instantaneously. Mechanically, this resistance takes the form of > >inertia and inertial forces, electrically, it takes the form of reactance. > >These are really different levels of the same phenomena. > > > So considering the comment; > > >then it can be resolved, if one wishes, by saying that the energy of the > >circuit actually travels at velocities much higher than light. > > we have to ask ourselves: How does energy "TRAVEL" at "VELOCITIES", when > "TIME" is not a characteristic of "ENERGY"? No, I would say that time has no reality apart from energy and matter. There is no absolute time but only the time constant of the particular system you're in. This folows from my bold statement above :-) Of course the answer is, it > doesn't! As Fred correctly said, "...energy propagates instantaneously" (for > want of a better term). And light, or higher than light velocities are > totally irrelevant in this context, in that our temporal concepts only apply > where there are the inertial properties of matter. No, I would not agree that all energies travel simultaneously. All the ones we generally observe don't. In the experiments of Milne and Obelensky on FTL phenomena there were several waves that arrived at different time periods. I believe that the human perceptual organs and instruments share a time constant that prevents them from detecting FTL waves. They have a light-speed limit, but the universe doesn't. So the implied proviso; > "_IF_ matter presents no resistance to the flow of energy....."; might > appear to be a slight contradiction, that assigns to "energy" a variable > temporal identity. >> So what is the nature of "energy" - or more specifically - "electrical > energy"? It follows from the above view of "time", that what we commonly > refer to as electrical energy, is more often, only the physical reaction of > particulate matter to the stimulus of some other causal entity. And that > causal entity is also very "real", but without the characteristics of our > familiar temporal environment. I have a paper that shows it is possible to define physical reality based on Plank's constant without including time at all. > "electricity" or "electrical energy" remains as mysterious and unknown > today, as it was in the days of Faraday and Thompson. Science cannot achieve understanding in the sense that you describe, it can only produce more refined "definitions" (predictable models) that describe HOW things behave, not WHAT they are. > > It also follows that the term "energy flow" can only have meaning in the > context of a relationship of the "energy source" itself, to that which we > choose to call particulate matter. There are no energy and time relations without reference to real materials with specific properties. Time is not an absolute and can be controlled by varying the characteristics of material systems. If time is inertial then it follows that changing the inertial moment of a system is the way to control time within that system. The question becomes, if every system, whether bird, atom, or electrical circuit has its own "time", why do we percieve all of them as part of our own time continuum? My far out speculation: Assign some arbitrary constellation of energy and matter its own fixed time constant (which is the same as its resonant frequency) and call it the test system. Now assign some particular oscillator as a reference clock. Starting at any arbitrary point begin counting cycles within the test system and the clock. The count of cycles in each system is represented by the set of integers to infinity: this means that the sets have a one-to-one correspondence to each other. Now, I don't have the math to prove this, but it seems to me that if the time constant of a test system is itself accelerating, which is another way of saying the inertial moment has momentum, then it is impossible to put the test count into a one-to one correspondence with the clock count. This means that the system will demonstrate anomalous energy characteristics, including possible reversals of entropy (witness the cold current seen in some experiments, notably the recently described Dragone experiment). One system where the inertial moment has a moment is the gyroscope, where the acceleration is always accelerating. Parametric systems also fit the bill, where the electromagnetic inertia is being changed in a cyclical fashion. Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 6 00:15:04 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id AAA18889; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 00:14:24 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 00:14:24 -0700 Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 00:14:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708060714.AAA22298@schilling.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: szdanq@blue.ucdavis.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dan Quickert Subject: Re: risque patent infringements Resent-Message-ID: <"cOWS_1.0._c4.FH2wp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4746 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Lev Robert wrote: > >Excelent idea but isn't a bit risque because of Mr Newmansensitivity of >patent infringments?? >Robert Hi, I know it's generally not proper to correct grammar/spelling, but in this case the mixup in usage could cause difficult situations in the future if not pointed out: I think you mean 'risky', not 'risque'. 'Risque' is risky because it excites a quite different circuit ;-). If Mr. Newman's response were risque, the only suits would be lawsuits, and the charges would likely be for hairassing the public :-). Dan From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 6 01:40:15 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id BAA26991; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 01:39:23 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 01:39:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708060839.BAA20721@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: "Free Energy" , Subject: Re: Time rate and extra power Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 01:42:23 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"uHcl01.0.eb6.vW3wp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4747 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: ---------- > From: Alexander V. Frolov > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Time rate and extra power > Date: Tuesday, August 05, 1997 10:22 AM > > Stuart Rae wrote: > > Fred said: > > >I would like to start a general discussion of what time is,........... > > I agree...... about time :-) > > Hello to all fans here! > > Just today subscribed and I am very glad to see discussion about time in > the free energy list. It is right direction, I think. Alexander, welcome to the list! I have read your articles on eskimo.com with great interest. > > 1. All we need from power generator is some Work per unit of Time. > 2. Assume, some output power is more than input power, i.e. the system > seems as free energy device. Why? There is no difference in the nature > of the Work for input and output, but if the time rate for input and > output can be different, some extra power can be generated free. > 3. So, in common words the system operation is extraction of the power > from the time flow. I agree completely. I define the "time" of a material system as the same as the generally understood time constant of that system. In electrical terms this is inversely proportional to the LC product of the circuit, and so I consider it here. If this LC product can be made to change while the circuit is charged, the energy of the system will increase. This is what is done in all parametric amplifiers. In my view circuits are always playing with time. Any circuit that has a variable reactance in it is creating time effects in my definition. The real question is whether the time distortion can be accomplished with less energy than is gained in the output. > There is strictly mathematical theory for it and real experiments by N. > Kozyrev of 1950-1990. There is one interesting result from it: The Time > can add into the system some moment of motion, but it is not a linear > moment and it is the rotation (torsion) moment of motion. Also there is > right-left asymmetry of the effect. So, by my opinion, self-rotation > systems (we know by many old stories) are possible just by this way. I have to admit I do not understand the Kozyrev paper very well. It appears to make rather large leaps of reasoning that I cannot follow. I would like to try again with any other papers by Kozyrev or other Russian students of time, do you have any? > > For electromagnetic type systems the power from time flow also must be > connected with non-linear kinetic moment. Yes, it seems to have something to do with right and left hand symmetry. We have been looking at so-called Koenig coils, where current flows in the same direction but one current goes CW and the other CCW around the core. These seem to be more efficient than they should be. This "nonlinear kinetic moment" is what I have been calling a nonreciprocal system like the gyro because it converts one force vector into another one at a 90 degree angle. It violates the action and reaction law not in the energy term but in the vector term. This allows for nonreciprocal systems where the output does not load the input. the line of the > resulting force and the lines of the primary field is perpendicular. So, > we can make the conclusion: some effects are connected with Lorentz's > force can lead to overunity and local time rate control. I have stated on the list recently that the Lorentz force allows for the violation of the second law of thermodynamics. A rachet mechanism or one-way system can only violate the second law if the rachet is near lossless. The Lorentz force "energy redirection" allows for the lossless rachet. It is proven in the literature on nonreciprocal systems that they must contain a static magnetic field to work, if they are not mechanically gyroscopic. > > Note, that in this view the time machine can produce only local > deceleration of the time rate when it use part of the space-time > structure for free power generation. My view is that all systems already operate in their own independent time frames, connected by a mathematical relation. Creating a local time-system is no problem. By T.Bearden it means some > utilization of photon part of the photon/antiphoton wave-pair which is > the graviton itself and the space-time consist of such sort wave-pairs. > Sure, we can not use all photon energy since it is tremendous power. I don't understand this at all. So, > the change of the rate of the time will be a very small for free energy > prototypes. Not at all. These time changes occur all the "time" and are USUALLY related smoothly to the reference time frame. When they are not, there is the appearance of new energy in the system. Apparently to avoid violating energy laws, Mother Nature allows heat to be absorbed from the surrounding area. > > Sure, there are many other methods to change the structure of > space-time. Any matter body exist as a local change of it. So, modulation of its parameters means modulation of local time rate for > this body and reversed reply in the space near the body. This is the key to this time area, IMO. I agree. Change the parameters of a circuit while energy is in it and the energy increases. There is no direct relationship between the energy needed to change the parameter and the output energy. It depends on the nonlinear characteristics of that particular material. For instance a varactor diode is a diode with a large change in C in response to a bias voltage. In one type, the C parameter can change over a range of 600 pF with the application of 50 nW of bias current at 10 V. This dramatic change in C will multiply the voltage of a charge stored on the varactor by 20 times. Since all other factors are the same, the power has been multiplied. Sparing the calculations, it works out to a several hundred percent energy gain. Leaving aside the very real and limiting current/voltage restraints of a varactor, it operates in an overunity fashion because its time constant depends on a nonlinear semiconductor process and can be varied with very little energy. An overunity circuit like this might take heat energy from the environment. Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 6 02:06:51 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id CAA15171; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 02:05:59 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 02:05:59 -0700 Message-ID: <33E83E5E.4F3B74DE@pacbell.net> Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 02:05:39 -0700 From: Mark Holden Organization: Two Heads Computer Services X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Carbon arc process X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <3.0.1.32.19970805120218.006ab27c@multinet.net.il> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"foQCJ.0.ui3.sv3wp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4748 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: For many years people have been seeing Grand opening Skylights. these use self feeding carbon rods and run many hours between replacment. I must assume that the same type of self feeding would have been used in a projecter to keep the light intensity adjusted without continual manual adjustments. Let me know if I'm wrong [I'm just guessing that rods would have been in some sort of spring loaded mount which could be adjusted without stopping the light] Lev Robert wrote: > Gene > Many years ago carbon arc were used in the movie projectors as a very > intensive light source. During the process the carbon rods burnet > themselves. Was it the reason for the intermition in the movies in > addition > to changinging roles?? > Robert > At 06:42 PM 01-08-97 GMT+0200, you wrote: > > > >Gene: I got excited about the same thing a couple of years ago. After > > >spending time reading the patent I was not nearly as excited. I do > not > >recall if another person told me or if the carbon consumption is > mentioned > >in the patent. However I do remember that the device did use more > carbon > >than I was interested in using. You can view the patent for free on > the IBM > >search site. > > If you like hydrogen I believe patent #5085176 will satisfy you. > Check it > >out. > >Thanks wes > > > > > > > BUSHILEV From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 6 02:11:18 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id CAA04022; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 02:10:42 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 02:10:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708060908.EAA28971@dsm7.dsmnet.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Dean T. Miller" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 04:09:03 (-050 Subject: Re: Carbon arc process Priority: normal In-reply-to: <3.0.1.32.19970805120218.006ab27c@multinet.net.il> References: <83535@multinet.multinet.net.il> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.52) Resent-Message-ID: <"I3ZSn1.0.k-.G-3wp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4749 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Robert, > Many years ago carbon arc were used in the movie projectors as a very > intensive light source. During the process the carbon rods burnet > themselves. Was it the reason for the intermition in the movies in addition > to changinging roles?? Yup, if you had a lazy operator. I ran a set of carbon arc projectors (they usually came in sets of 2 or more so you could load the reels and carbon rods in one while the other was running) in the mid 50's. Smoky things. The rods were automatically advanced by a drive screw and lasted between 15 and 30 minutes depending on conditions (humidity, initial adjustment, etc.). The ones I recall were coated, possibly with copper, to prevent getting your hands too black from the carbon. -- Dean -- from Des Moines (KB0ZDF) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 6 02:26:49 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id CAA06713; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 02:26:23 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 02:26:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708060926.CAA29814@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: Idea, any interest? Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 01:58:11 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"3VPAL2.0.oe1.zC4wp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4750 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Ken! You have a battery with DC current flowing through it. It is supplying DC > power to a resistor located a few centimeters (or any reasonable small > distance) away. There is, however no electrical conductor OF ANY KIND > between the battery and the resistor. This is something that can be done > using conventional electromagnetic theory and nothing else. In its simplest > configuration (which is as far as I have gotten) it can only be done for > "short" periods of time (micro- to milliseconds). Are you doing this by reducing all the wire connections into two capacitors? If you picture the output of a battery made into a plate and the input of the resistor made into a plate, there is a capacitance between them that allows for transfer of energy by displacement current. This would be a conventional circuit, whatever conventional means when you're talking about displacement current :-) Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 6 03:43:43 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id DAA01897; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 03:42:23 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 03:42:23 -0700 Message-Id: <199708061043.DAA32456@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: "Free Energy" Subject: Parametrics, Time, And Fluctuation Energy Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 03:46:46 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"7HUT71.0.YT.EK5wp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4751 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Folks, Here are some latenight ramblings about the subjects in my heading. I am sure by now you are all avoiding my parametric posts and rightfully so because they are very boring. Time on the other hand is kinda interesting. Nobody really knows much about time so there's plenty of room for fringe scientists to play around. Unfortunately looking at time has lead me right back to parametrics and the original principles I was working on and didn't know it. -- I didn't want to go there because I'm as tired of it as everyone else, but there it was.. Time was defined in my theory as the inverse of the total inertial terms of a system. To change the inertia is to change time. You change inertia of an electric circuit by varying the L and C--- changing reactance. The time as the reactance of the circuit not the resistance of it does not reduce energy but only stores it, this being the memory function of time. The resistance aspect would be the thermodynamic part where irreversible energy dissipation occurs, which appears to determine the direction of time (entropy). When the reactance of a circuit like this is changed by any means there has to be an increase of energy to maintain the conservation law. This energy is derived from noise fluctations in the circuit. All of the above is standard theory put in new ways. The difficulty from an energy conservation standpoint is that the energy necessary to cause parametric changes in a system is not in any direct way related to the output energy. For instance a very small voltage will change the L of a very large coil as in a magnetic amplifier. (I'm not sure about this part until I check) Thus a single small voltage pulse fed simultaneously with a current pulse into a magamp type of winding could amplify the energy of the current pulse. The small voltage pulse has a disproportionate effect because it is being used to alter second-order terms (changing time or inertial constant) rather than first order, inductive, ones which involve a direct energy transfer. In a sense, "time-varying time" is used to move energy out of the thermal sink. The conservation law requires that the total energy remains the same so the sink gets cooler. Larry Wharton has discussed a paper of his where he points out that second-order terms violate the second law. I haven't read the paper, so I'm not sure, but he MAY be referring to the sort of thing I'm talking about here... Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 6 04:49:13 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id EAA14139; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 04:48:42 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 04:48:42 -0700 From: bpaddock@csonline.net (Bob Paddock) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Power Supplies Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 07:08:39 -0400 Organization: is mostly via piles Reply-To: bpaddock@csonline.net Message-ID: <3sF6zUQy88XO092yn@csonline.net> References: <3.0.1.32.19970805133734.00698104@palacenet.net> In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970805133734.00698104@palacenet.net> Lines: 16 Resent-Message-ID: <"q84dR2.0.jS3.OI6wp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4752 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >Sure...no problem. Decent of the shelf switchers will usually >withstand 6KV. Only the transformer design, and opto-coupler >(for voltage feedback) would have to be modified to withstand >the additional stress. "Withstand" doesn't not necessarily imply continues correct operation. It frequently means it will survive for a limited time at that potential. -- For information on any of the following check out my WEB site at: http://www.usachoice.net/bpaddock Chemical Free Air Conditioning/No CFC's, Chronic Pain Relief, Electromedicine, Electronics, Explore!, Free Energy, Full Disclosure, KeelyNet, Matric Limited, Neurophone, Oil City PA, Philadelphia Experiment. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 6 05:02:22 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id FAA18874; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 05:01:58 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 05:01:58 -0700 From: bpaddock@csonline.net (Bob Paddock) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Fwd: INFRA- RED INQUIRE] Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 07:55:52 -0400 Organization: is mostly via piles Reply-To: bpaddock@csonline.net Message-ID: References: <33E7C0AE.5D65@keelynet.com> In-Reply-To: <33E7C0AE.5D65@keelynet.com> Lines: 15 Resent-Message-ID: <"F7dPA.0.pc4.qU6wp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4753 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > THIS SITE LASTED ONLY ONE DAY, CAN YOU HELP ME ON THIS INFO. I've frequently run in to this where the sites with the Most Interesting Stuff only last a short period of time, some times less than an hour. My solution is to use a program that 'captures' the site so that I can read off line, and archive to disk. There are many programs that do this, but the only one that I've found that is completely free (no shareware, nagware, or commercial) can be found here: [InternetShortcut] URL=http://www.saransk.sitek.net/pages/arny/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 6 06:15:46 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id GAA29250; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 06:15:19 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 06:15:19 -0700 Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 09:11:45 -0400 (EDT) From: John Schnurer To: kyle cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Discussion Power Supplies In-Reply-To: <33E76240.3771@sunherald.infi.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"1bAue3.0.u87.cZ7wp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4754 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dear FE, Kyle has asked about a specific size and isolation of supply. The two terms both should be addressed, and safe competant building is non trivial. If the stand off isolation has to be 50 KV, then that implies sowhere 50 KV may be exposed to system. Why the specs? To know the how and why can help a lot. How long does this have to run? A time honored isolation method is to run the whole thing up on batteries. On Tue, 5 Aug 1997, kyle wrote: > Hi All: > > Does anyone here know how to build a 50VDC @ 10A (50KVDC isolated) power > supply? > > Kyle > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 6 06:53:40 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id GAA21526; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 06:52:39 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 06:52:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 08:45:19 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199708061345.IAA01928@firefly.prairienet.org> From: w9sz@prairienet.org (Zack Widup) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Barkhausen Battery ? Scalar waves FAQ ? Reply-To: w9sz@prairienet.org Resent-Message-ID: <"5XfXH3.0.FG5.Z68wp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4755 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > >> >> Hmm, what are the main advantages of Scalar waves then ? >> Just , that EM shielding does not stop them ? >> >> How far do they travel ? At what speed ? Faster than Light ? >> >> How can they be used to transmit information ? >> How can information be demodulated from it ? >> >> Are there already any realworld applications and devices that work >> for information transmission (broadcasting) ? >> >All good questions from Stefan...I especially like the speed one.. > >Fred > > Tesla noted his "standing columnar wave" ranged in speed from much less than the speed of light to many times that. His famous Wardenclyffe tower, developed after his research in Colorado Springs, would have used scalar technology to transmit power and broadcasting both. Tom Bearden mentioned in several of his papers that the Soviets used scalars to transmit power and even to create a huge "fireball" in the sky. Zack -- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 6 08:13:34 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id IAA19844; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 08:12:36 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 08:12:36 -0700 Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:11:26 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199708061511.KAA09842@firefly.prairienet.org> From: w9sz@prairienet.org (Zack Widup) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Discussion Power Supplies Reply-To: w9sz@prairienet.org Resent-Message-ID: <"feAJR.0.zr4.ZH9wp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4756 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > Dear FE, > > Kyle has asked about a specific size and isolation of supply. > The two terms both should be addressed, and safe competant >building is non trivial. If the stand off isolation has to be 50 KV, >then that implies sowhere 50 KV may be exposed to system. > > Why the specs? > > To know the how and why can help a lot. > > > How long does this have to run? > > > A time honored isolation method is to run the whole thing up on >batteries. > I believe what he is building is the "gravity resonance coil" (gravity3.asc at the Keelynet site). It actually requires TWO such power supplies and a HV supply of 50-100 kV. Each of the three should be controlled by a variac with HV isolation. I have been wanting to build this thing for years but haven't gotten around to it yet. For one thing, I think I'd want to do it somewhere where it is likely to do the least amount of damage, if it goes "haywire" as the mysterious author of the paper mentioned it could. Also, carnauba wax is VERY expensive ... talk about costing an arm and a leg! Anyone out there have Bill Gates as an uncle? :-) Mineral oil looks like a much better alternative dielectric. Anyway, I would not be adverse to winding my own transformer. I could dig out my text on transformer design and compute the minimum core cross-section needed to handle such power, and the numbers of windings. I don't think it would be that difficult. Zack -- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 6 08:21:52 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id IAA05054; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 08:20:40 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 08:20:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970806091518.006e8d80@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 09:15:18 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: Re: Power Supplies In-Reply-To: <3sF6zUQy88XO092yn@csonline.net> References: <3.0.1.32.19970805133734.00698104@palacenet.net> <3.0.1.32.19970805133734.00698104@palacenet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"fzMiw3.0.sE1.3P9wp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4757 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 07:08 8/6/97 -0400, Bob Paddock wrote: >"Withstand" doesn't not necessarily imply continues correct >operation. It frequently means it will survive for a >limited time at that potential. True. Although I've floated a universal input "jellybean" 3x5 card switcher at 6KV DC for several weeks. This supply has polyimide interwinding insulation, and all the leads are Teflon sleeved. None of these supplies are rated for this type of abuse...so you're on your own. The design requirement for IEC950 is one minute at 4242 DC for a 250VAC name plate rating. (the spec is in AC, but you can use the equivalent DC) I like the battery suggestion best...dunno why I didn't think of it first. We used test equipment running on little a UPS when working on EHT and high energy supplies quite often. Of course it's bad when you have someone lean across the two scope carts...on floating, the other not.... I guess I was caught up in thinking about the problems encountered when floating a supply at 50KV. Best Regards, JD ------------------------------------------------------------ "Don't panic! ...I'm not from the government, and I wouldn't lift a finger to help you." -Bug Eyed Monster E-mail to: mules@palacenet.net ------------------------------------------------------------ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 6 10:31:16 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id KAA13480; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:30:05 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:30:05 -0700 Message-ID: <33E8DDC2.6850@tiac.net> Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 13:25:38 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Reply-To: bshannon@tiac.net Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stefan Hartmann CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Barkhausen Battery ? Scalar waves FAQ ? References: <19970805213901.060745f9.in@pop3.vossnet.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"BefiI1.0.RI3.RIBwp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4758 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Stefan Hartmann wrote: > >The magnetic shielding is quite good, and the finished detector assembly > >is often placed inside a second Faraday cage, so I do not think that the > >Earths geomagnetic field is causing the domain transitions. This could > >not explain the detection of carefully modulated signals by these > >detectors. (This observation has been confirmed by several builders of > >this detector.) > > Hmm, maybe a Barkhausen effect Battery is then just a Scalar wave to > Electromagnetic energy converter ? Yes, exactly correct. > >> Maybe it would just be a converter for elcetromagnetic waves > >> from radio ? So we would just extract radio energy via it ? > > > >But the detector is completely shielded from EM waves! > > I see. so this should really prove that there is indeed something else > than EM waves causing it... Yes, also there have been tests made where a conventional pickup coil is placed outside the detectors shielding, and does not detect any EM signal when the detector responds to an apparent scalar signal. This helps support the claim that the detector is indeed reacting to something other than conventional EM waves. > >> P.S.: Is there anywhere else an easy description, what SCALAR WAVEs > >> are and what they can used for and what the main difference versus > >> electromagnetic waves are and if they are really for REAL ? > > > >You really need to read T.E. Bearden's "Towards a New Electromagnetics" > >which is in several parts. These are avaiable from Tesla Book Co. > > Do you know, if there is a FAQ about Scalar waves on the Internet ? Good question, I am not aware of any such FAQ. > Hmm, what are the main advantages of Scalar waves then ? > Just , that EM shielding does not stop them ? Scalar waves seem to show us that what we current accept as EM theory is in reality a special case of a more fundemental force. > How far do they travel ? At what speed ? Faster than Light ? ACcording to theory, there is no limit to their travel distance, and they need not follow the square of the distance rule of EM waves. Speeds according to Bearden are a function of the scalar potentials coupling to EM waves, and may be far greater, or far slower than EM waves. This appears to be supported by experimental evidence. > How can they be used to transmit information ? Yes. > How can information be demodulated from it ? Scalar waves can be modulated by CW, AM, FM, or PWM methods, as well as with SSB modes. What is most significant, is that a scalar wave carrier may carry multiple subcarriers, each with its own modulations. It seems as if we can transmit far more data bendwidth than that of the carriers frequency! > Are there already any realworld applications and devices that work > for information transmission (broadcasting) ? Yes, simple information transfer by CW (Morse code) has been demonstrated with the equipment shown in the article. Further, many detector builders have reported observing 'other signals' with their detectors. These appear to be spread spectrum digital packet burst transmissions from multiple sources, origin unknown. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 6 10:48:01 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id KAA28745; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:45:25 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:45:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708061743.NAA002.64@cougar.ssi.stratus.com> From: "Charlie Hodgson" Date: Wed, 06 Aug 97 09:40:02 -0400 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: <199708060652.XAA20780@mail1.halcyon.com> Cc: "Fred Epps" Subject: Re: Re:Time Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.28 (Unregistered) Resent-Message-ID: <"A8VIR1.0.217.pWBwp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4759 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: In <199708060652.XAA20780@mail1.halcyon.com>, on 08/05/97 at 11:55 PM, "Fred Epps" said: >different time periods. I believe that the human perceptual organs and >instruments share a time constant that prevents them from detecting FTL >waves. They have a light-speed limit, but the universe doesn't. It is my belief the speed of light is the limiting factor to remain solely within our 3 physical dimensions. Above that speed you would pop across dimensions. Charlie -- 10 is a Dark Blue 7 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 6 10:57:58 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id KAA19407; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:56:47 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:56:47 -0700 From: Keasy@aol.com Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 13:56:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970806135510_1384265414@emout19.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Idea, any interest? Resent-Message-ID: <"l0TXe1.0.8l4.UhBwp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4760 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Fred, No, the configuration I am looking at does not involve displacement currents. It does use an inductive (dB/dT) effect but the power/energy is transferred from the battery to the resistor and is NOT supplied by changing B field. Ken Keasy@aol.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 6 11:15:18 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id LAA03716; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 11:12:06 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 11:12:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33E8CBE8.7449@sunherald.infi.net> Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 12:09:29 -0700 From: kyle Reply-To: stk@sunherald.infi.net Organization: InfiNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Power supply-batteries Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"IpZqO3.0.yv.nvBwp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4761 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi All, What is this talk of using batteries to power the GRC power supplies? Do you have to have batteries wired up to produce 50KV or use lower voltage batteries, and step them up with circuits? Kyle From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 6 12:13:04 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id MAA13733; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 12:09:44 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 12:09:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970806140742.006a7fb4@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 14:07:42 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: Re: Power supply-batteries In-Reply-To: <33E8CBE8.7449@sunherald.infi.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"lQoAd2.0.SM3.jlCwp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4762 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hello, At 12:09 8/6/97 -0700, kyle wrote: >What is this talk of using batteries to power the GRC power supplies? Do >you have to have batteries wired up to produce 50KV or use lower voltage >batteries, and step them up with circuits? I'd use the batteries to provide the 50V 10A source, that will ride on top of the 50KV off-line supply. Best Regards, JD ------------------------------------- E-mail to mules@palacenet.net ------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 6 12:20:28 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id MAA08040; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 12:15:40 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 12:15:40 -0700 Message-ID: <8lWhWIAOHM6zEwBK@oroboros.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 19:26:22 +0100 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Chris Morriss Subject: Re: Carbon arc process In-Reply-To: <199708060908.EAA28971@dsm7.dsmnet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.03a Resent-Message-ID: <"8dqUT.0.Oz1.QrCwp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4763 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: In message <199708060908.EAA28971@dsm7.dsmnet.com>, "Dean T. Miller" writes >Hi Robert, > >> Many years ago carbon arc were used in the movie projectors as a very >> intensive light source. During the process the carbon rods burnet >> themselves. Was it the reason for the intermition in the movies in addition >> to changinging roles?? > >Yup, if you had a lazy operator. I ran a set of carbon arc projectors >(they usually came in sets of 2 or more so you could load the reels and >carbon rods in one while the other was running) in the mid 50's. Smoky >things. > >The rods were automatically advanced by a drive screw and lasted between >15 and 30 minutes depending on conditions (humidity, initial adjustment, >etc.). The ones I recall were coated, possibly with copper, to prevent >getting your hands too black from the carbon. > >-- Dean -- from Des Moines (KB0ZDF) > I've seen copper plated carbon rods for sale fairly recently. They are used in those carbon arc torches that you can connect to an arc welder. -- Chris Morriss From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 6 12:20:53 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id MAA10321; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 12:19:51 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 12:19:51 -0700 Message-Id: <199708061921.MAA30268@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: Idea, any interest? Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 11:30:03 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"cpjT83.0.2X2.JvCwp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4765 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Ken Well I'm stumped.. what is it? > Fred, > No, the configuration I am looking at does not involve displacement > currents. It does use an inductive (dB/dT) effect but the power/energy is > transferred from the battery to the resistor and is NOT supplied by changing > B field. > Ken Keasy@aol.com > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 6 12:20:55 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id MAA10292; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 12:19:48 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 12:19:48 -0700 Message-Id: <199708061921.MAA03168@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: "Free Energy" , "Charlie Hodgson" Subject: Re: Re:Time Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 11:36:02 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"b_XWk.0.RW2.GvCwp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4764 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Charlie and all, > It is my belief the speed of light is the limiting factor to remain solely > within our 3 physical dimensions. Above that speed you would pop across > dimensions. Yes, I agree. But I also think the idea of "dimensions" is confusing. It's used in about 6 different ways. Which way are you using it? Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 6 12:21:13 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id MAA10355; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 12:19:59 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 12:19:59 -0700 Message-Id: <199708061921.MAA24419@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: "Free Energy" Subject: Another one-way device Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 12:23:56 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"5VGTF1.0.DX2.LvCwp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4766 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Folks! I have been thinking about Greg's one way transformer and picturing a system that doesn't use domains to do the same thing. The basic idea is to create a time delay in the circuit so that the input is not loaded by the output. This is easy to do with delay lines but I seem to recall that some component of the line travels backwards to the beginning of the line. That would negate my purpose here so I will avoid the delay line idea. Consider the system of a pulse generator, a resonant circuit, and a transformer secondary that can be switched in and out of the tank circuit.In the first part of the cycle with the transfomer switched out the generator emits one pulse into the resonant circuit, which contains very little resistance so it doesn't load the generator, it simply stores the power. In the second part of the cycle the pulse generator is switched out of the circuit and the transfomer is switched in. The energy from the ringing tank circuit is fed through the transfomer to a load. Any change on the load might have an effect on the stability of the tank circuit, but it won't have any effect on the original energy source. The interactions are displaced in time. This is not an overunity device but simply an illustration of some principles of time. It's interesting to note that magnetic fields also have the capability of separating cause from effect in nonreciprocal systems like microwave phase shifters. They do it spatially, though, by rotating the energy by 90 degrees. Magnetic fields are the only known completely passive way of creating one-way systems The "handedness" of the "right-hand rule" could be used as an argument for the irreversibility of time. There is undoubtably a connection between time, spin, and magnetic fields. Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 6 13:14:13 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id NAA25673; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 13:12:52 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 13:12:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33E8D8C8.42F3@ctv.es> Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 22:04:24 +0200 From: Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga Reply-To: vramos@ctv.es X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stk@sunherald.infi.net CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Power Supplies References: <33E76240.3771@sunherald.infi.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"_lW5p.0.wG6._gDwp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4768 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: kyle wrote: > > Hi All: > > Does anyone here know how to build a 50VDC @ 10A (50KVDC isolated) power > supply? > > Kyle Kyle If this power supply is for the gravity coil, maybe you can try by placing two hi-voltage diodes in serial with the outputs, but where are 10A 50Kv diodes? Vicente -- Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga E-mail: vramos@ctv.es Home Page: http://www.ctv.es/USERS/vramos/home.htm Burriana (Castellon) SPAIN From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 6 13:14:53 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id NAA25548; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 13:11:23 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 13:11:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708062009.QAA002.94@cougar.ssi.stratus.com> From: "Charlie Hodgson" Date: Wed, 06 Aug 97 15:33:45 -0400 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: <199708061921.MAA03168@mail1.halcyon.com> Cc: "Fred Epps" Subject: Re: Re:Time Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.28 (Unregistered) Resent-Message-ID: <"aV3bF3.0.5F6.efDwp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4767 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: In <199708061921.MAA03168@mail1.halcyon.com>, on 08/06/97 at 11:36 AM, "Fred Epps" said: >Hi Charlie and all, >> It is my belief the speed of light is the limiting factor to remain >solely >> within our 3 physical dimensions. Above that speed you would pop across >> dimensions. >Yes, I agree. But I also think the idea of "dimensions" is confusing. >It's used in about 6 different ways. >Which way are you using it? As physical dimensions. Superstring theory suggest that there may be 21 dimensions, though I believe it also states the they are all folded into our 3 dimensions. I think we are 3 dimensional entities residing in the lower 3 dimensions, or more likely what we experience is our greater selves projected into three dimensions. This is not the forum to discuss this aspect of it. I have never considered time to be a dimension, instead I feel it is a phenomena which we experience. Yes, we can drop a ball from a certain height and it will always take the save number of vibrations of a cesium atom to hit the ground. But is 'time' truely uniform and constant? We can't tell because we are inside the system and are subject to the same fluctuations as the devices we use to measure it. I do think that time is an 'indication' of how far we have traveled on a fourth dimension. Confused yet? You will be. I'll go a step further and suggest that 'space' (our 3 diminsions) is NOT infinately divisable, but instead contains a granualarity which can be thought of as points. In open space (with little gravitational influence) points are at a uniform spacing. Time, as we experience it, exists in 'moments'. Within our system of reference, time is contiguous. Outside of our system, it does not have to be. Matter, energry, etc can at most transverse a single point per moment. Hence, the speed of light being a limitting velocity. It something were to tranverse more than a single point in a moment, it could not exist physically in our 3 dimensions. I'm bet you're sorry you asked that question Fred. Charlie -- Any sufficiently advanced technology looks like magic. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 6 14:13:44 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id OAA05792; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 14:11:58 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 14:11:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 7 Aug 97 09:10 NZST X-Sender: srae@shoppe.mlb.planet.gen.nz Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: srae@mlb.planet.gen.nz (Stuart Rae) Subject: Re:Time rate and extra power X-Mailer: Resent-Message-ID: <"ozqQu2.0.LQ1.RYEwp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4769 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Alexander Frolov wrote: >Just today subscribed and I am very glad to see discussion about time in >the free energy list. It is right direction, I think. > Hello Alexander, welcome back to the list! It's good to hear from you again - particularly on your understanding of the relationship of energy to time. >Sure, there are many other methods to change the structure of >space-time. Any matter body exist as a local change of it. So, >modulation of its parameters means modulation of local time rate for >this body and reversed reply in the space near the body. > So what then would be your opinion of the concept shared by Fred and myself that: Time is a clever illusion of matter, and might be best defined as: "The resistance of matter to energy". ? Regards, Stuart Rae From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 6 14:55:53 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id OAA16131; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 14:54:58 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 14:54:58 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Saylor, Robert" To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: Newman's Engine Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 16:53:40 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"41fpH2.0.yx3.nAFwp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4770 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I've been lurking the list for several weeks now and have a couple of questions. First, is there a list FAQ available from somewhere? Second (and this would probably be in the FAQ if one exists), why don't I see very much talk about the Newman Engine in the list? When I first started looking for free energy ideas and did some web searches, it seemed like 75%+ of the hits I found were about Newman's device. However, what was presented had little to no real data, only his ads saying buy his book before you ask any questions. :p Does his engine actually produce useful O/U energy, at a useful scale? If so, why aren't the serious researchers on this list talking about it, improving it, etc.? Or does everyone else on the list already have Newman powered homes, and are now looking for other, lighter options? >From Newman's web page, he states that he encourages non-profit experimentation with his device and hopes others will build it to prove it works. While I can find many references to his demonstrations, and testimonials about his device, I can not find any data showing amount of over-unity energy being produced. Especially helpful would be some info on how much excess energy he produces for each of the differently sized engines he has demonstrated. I see references to 1000lb., 5000lb., and 15,000lb. demonstration versions, but no reference to their output. i.e. how large a unit would be needed for 500W continuous? Answers to these conundrums would be greatly appreciated. :) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 6 15:07:30 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id PAA14791; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 15:05:15 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 15:05:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 15:03:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708062203.PAA17897@pop1.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: szdanq@peseta.ucdavis.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dan Quickert Subject: Re: Another one-way device Resent-Message-ID: <"Lzdos3.0.0d3.NKFwp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4771 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Fred, interesting idea about the time isolation, but I'm having trouble understanding how this particular solution would accomplish it in a more than one-shot implementation: >In the first part of the cycle with the transfomer switched out the >generator emits one pulse into the resonant circuit, which contains very >little resistance so it doesn't load the generator, it simply stores the >power. Doesn't the transfer of power constitute a load on the generator? Or is my concept of a load incorrect? >In the second part of the cycle the pulse generator is switched out >of the circuit and the transfomer is switched in. The energy from the >ringing tank circuit is fed through the transfomer to a load. >Any change on the load might have an effect on the stability of the tank >circuit, but it won't have any effect on the original energy source. Well, not in a one-shot device. But what about the next cycle? The amount of energy required to re-charge the tank will vary depending on whether or not the secondary removed energy from the circuit, no? Isn't that a (time-displaced) effect on the pulse generator? In regard to Greg's PMOD: >I have been thinking about Greg's one way transformer and >picturing a system that doesn't use domains to do the same >thing. The basic idea is to create a time delay in the circuit >so that the input is not loaded by the output. My impression of that (someone correct me if I'm wrong) (not that I have to ask :-) is that Greg says the energy necessary to start the domain avalanche is less than the energy induced by the avalanche. So it's a bit more than time isolation, isn't it? Dan Quickert From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 6 16:02:24 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id PAA25711; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 15:57:02 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 15:57:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 15:54:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708062254.PAA07506@norway.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: Power supply-batteries Resent-Message-ID: <"D_yue3.0.YH6.u4Gwp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4772 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >>What is this talk of using batteries to power the GRC power supplies? Do >>you have to have batteries wired up to produce 50KV or use lower voltage >>batteries, and step them up with circuits? > > >I'd use the batteries to provide the 50V 10A source, >that will ride on top of the 50KV off-line supply. > >Best Regards, >JD If one side of the 50KV supply is grounded, one of the 50V supplies could be run off the line and the other, connected to the ungrounded side of 50KV, could be 4 12 batteries in series. -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 6 16:07:13 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id PAA25739; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 15:57:06 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 15:57:06 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 15:54:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708062254.PAA07487@norway.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: Idea, any interest? Resent-Message-ID: <"aaq6x2.0.3I6._4Gwp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4773 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I give up, if it isn't capacitive coupling or charging a capacitor or inductor, then removing it electrically from the battery and then discharging it across the resistor, what is it?? Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 6 16:48:59 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id QAA10655; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 16:47:34 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 16:47:34 -0700 X-Sender: josephnewman@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 18:51:20 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: Re: Another one-way device Resent-Message-ID: <"6ucIh3.0.Kc2.LqGwp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4774 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >Hi Folks! > >I have been thinking about Greg's one way transformer and picturing a >system that doesn't use domains to do the same thing. snip-- >The "handedness" of the "right-hand rule" could be used as an argument for >the irreversibility of time. >There is undoubtably a connection between time, spin, and magnetic fields. > >Fred I would certainly agree with your last statement. GYROSCOPICALLY yours, :-) Evan From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 6 17:18:34 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id RAA17948; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 17:17:21 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 17:17:21 -0700 Message-ID: <01BCA29D.41309780@dial111.phoenix.net> From: Art Loya To: "freenrg-l@eskimo.com" Subject: building your own colloidal silver generator Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 19:16:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <"KSnm01.0.KO4.FGHwp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4775 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Does anyone have a working schematic for building your own colloidal = silver generator. I saw one advertised for $129.00 I think it's a bit much for some kind of simple 9 volt oscillator, I = would try to build one using a 555 and a 2n2222 but I haven't got a clue = on frequencies or currents required. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Art From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 6 17:29:08 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id RAA20413; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 17:28:21 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 17:28:21 -0700 From: openway@nor.com.au Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 10:28:06 +1000 Message-Id: <199708070028.KAA19758@nornet.nor.com.au> X-Sender: openway@pophost.nor.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Time rate and extra power Resent-Message-ID: <"mbE3y1.0.r-4.ZQHwp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4776 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >The real question is whether the time distortion can be accomplished with >less energy than is gained in the output. > Any kind of distortion would do. >Yes, it seems to have something to do with right and left hand symmetry. >We have been looking at so-called Koenig coils, where current flows in the >same direction but one current goes CW and the other CCW around the core. >These seem to be more efficient than they should be. > Does this not imply that electrons have a "preferred" spin polarity governed by a non-local source? The source can be tapped for power by manipulating the electrons in a field that requires minimal energy input, i.e a permanent magnet or static E field, and then harnessing the force of their return within a resonant coil. It is my belief that this is how the Coler devices work. > Not at all. These time changes occur all the "time" and are USUALLY >related smoothly to the reference time frame. >When they are not, there is the appearance of new energy in the system. >Apparently to avoid violating energy laws, Mother Nature allows heat to be >absorbed from the surrounding area. > Another word for time is stress, such as when charge moves to the outside of a curved surface, as is prevalent in organic structures. The pattern of reciprocal stress vectors determines the emergence of energy. This can be applied to technology. >> Sure, there are many other methods to change the structure of >> space-time. Any matter body exist as a local change of it. >So, modulation of its parameters means modulation of local time rate for >> this body and reversed reply in the space near the body. > Peter Nielsen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 6 17:29:11 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id RAA20471; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 17:28:33 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 17:28:33 -0700 From: openway@nor.com.au Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 10:28:21 +1000 Message-Id: <199708070028.KAA19776@nornet.nor.com.au> X-Sender: openway@pophost.nor.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Another one-way device Resent-Message-ID: <"vrkkC3.0.l_4.mQHwp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4777 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >Fred, interesting idea about the time isolation, but I'm having trouble >understanding how this particular solution would accomplish it in a more >than one-shot implementation: > I suppose the question is, is time, itself, energy? Or, is it a relationship of time to something else? Peter Nielsen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 6 18:53:24 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id SAA06473; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 18:51:48 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 18:51:48 -0700 Message-Id: <199708070153.SAA23475@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: Another one-way device Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 18:54:48 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"d9jY42.0.xa1.meIwp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4779 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Dan and all, > Fred, interesting idea about the time isolation, but I'm having trouble > understanding how this particular solution would accomplish it in a more > than one-shot implementation: > > >In the first part of the cycle with the transfomer switched out the > >generator emits one pulse into the resonant circuit, which contains very > >little resistance so it doesn't load the generator, it simply stores the > >power. > > Doesn't the transfer of power constitute a load on the generator? Or is my > concept of a load incorrect? Yes the tank does load the source but the loading is minimized, zero in the ideal case where it is stored as reactive power. > > >In the second part of the cycle the pulse generator is switched out > >of the circuit and the transfomer is switched in. The energy from the > >ringing tank circuit is fed through the transfomer to a load. > >Any change on the load might have an effect on the stability of the tank > >circuit, but it won't have any effect on the original energy source. > > Well, not in a one-shot device. But what about the next cycle? The amount of > energy required to re-charge the tank will vary depending on whether or not > the secondary removed energy from the circuit, no? Isn't that a > (time-displaced) effect on the pulse generator? You're absolutely right! I've simply broken the usual action and reaction cycle in half and considered only the first half... well, it was interesting to me even if it only stimulated thinking about time-delayed effects. Well, here's another half-baked idea: Picture a magnetostrictive bar. There's a primary on one end and a secondary at the other. When power is pulsed into the primary it travels down the rod to the secondary where the power is absorbed by a load. Presumably a wave of back EMF travels back down the rod to the primary-- but when it gets there it doesn't cancel the original impulse but can itself be tapped for power. > > In regard to Greg's PMOD: > > My impression of that (someone correct me if I'm wrong) (not that I have to > ask :-) is that Greg says the energy necessary to start the domain avalanche > is less than the energy induced by the avalanche. So it's a bit more than > time isolation, isn't it? Yes, I agree. I mentioned to Greg that I thought the PMOD worked on fluctuation energy that was being cohered by the domains. I shouldn't have implied later that the domains were not important. I think I was just trying to isolate two effects so I could look at them separately. Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 6 18:57:14 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id SAA07741; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 18:55:58 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 18:55:58 -0700 Message-ID: <33E93878.267A@sunherald.infi.net> Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 19:52:42 -0700 From: kyle Reply-To: stk@sunherald.infi.net Organization: InfiNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Discussion Power Supplies References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"cKvvx2.0.gu1.iiIwp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4780 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi John and All: All it says in the 50VDC power supply part of the document is: 120VAC to 48VDC @ 10A (500 watt) isolated stepdown transformer, 50 KV isolated, 100 PIV rectifier Diode, 0-120VAC Variac(variable autotransformer), (where can I get this?) 80-100V @ 1000uF electrolytic capacitor, case to put it all in. It says build 2 of these. There is no indication of how long it has to run. In the 25-100KVDC power supply section: 10-12KV @ 10-30 mA neon sign transformer (4) TV HV diodes 12-14KV PIV (where can I get this?) (4) HV capacitors 500-1000pF @ 10KV (where can I get this?) 0-120VAC Variac (Variable autotransformer) Case to put it all in It says build one of these. There are 2 coils (A and B) Connect one lead of coil A to one 50VDC power supply, coil B to the other. Connect other lead of Coil A to 25-100KVDC power supply, other lead of coil B to other terminal on 25-100KVDC power supply. Kyle Mcallister Is it possible to build a 120VAC to 48VDC @10A 50KV isolated transformer? If so, please tell me how. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 6 19:26:52 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id TAA15017; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 19:24:59 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 19:24:59 -0700 Message-ID: <33E93B8C.1D1E@sunherald.infi.net> Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 20:05:49 -0700 From: kyle Reply-To: stk@sunherald.infi.net Organization: InfiNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Who the heck designed the GRC?? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"aarNH2.0.Yg3.v7Jwp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4781 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi All: Who wrote that article on the GRC? All I can find as far as references are these: Joseph Misiolek AXON Systems A shady character named "Shadowhawk" Thomas Townsend Brown Does anyone have further info? Kyle Mcallister From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 6 19:27:35 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id TAA15344; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 19:26:38 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 19:26:38 -0700 Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 20:24:04 -0600 (MDT) From: "John R. Tooker" To: Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga Cc: stk@sunherald.infi.net, freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Power Supplies In-Reply-To: <33E8D8C8.42F3@ctv.es> Message-Id: Organization: Calgary Free-Net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"iXAyF3.0.Yl3.S9Jwp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4782 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Wed, 6 Aug 1997, Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga wrote: > > kyle wrote: > > > > Hi All: > > > > Does anyone here know how to build a 50VDC @ 10A (50KVDC isolated) power > > supply? > > > > Kyle > > Kyle > If this power supply is for the gravity coil, maybe you can try by > placing two hi-voltage diodes in serial with the outputs, but where are > 10A 50Kv diodes? Hi, :) I've been searching for a battery powered supply for the grav coil, as well. I've found one that will do quite well from the "Hoverboard Design Manual", by Bill Butler. It uses a transistor oscillator circuit, a flyback transformer, and a series of hv caps and diodes. Kyle, if you wish a copy of the circuit, please send me a snail mail address, and I'll send you a photocopy of the schematics, etc. Regards, John From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 6 20:30:10 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id UAA29262; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 20:29:30 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 20:29:30 -0700 Message-Id: <199708070330.UAA09117@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: Another one-way device Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 19:54:58 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"o5Ej51.0.397.P4Kwp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4784 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Evan, I fully recognize the connection between magnetic fields and gyroscopic forces, but I wouldn't go so far as to agree to Mr. Newmans mechanical gyroscopic particles. I certainly think he's onto something. > >There is undoubtably a connection between time, spin, and magnetic fields. > > > >Fred > > I would certainly agree with your last statement. > > GYROSCOPICALLY yours, :-) > > Evan > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 6 20:36:04 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id UAA31109; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 20:33:42 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 20:33:42 -0700 Message-Id: <199708070333.UAA15406@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: "Free Energy" Subject: Mail snafu Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 20:37:05 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"QDeXK1.0.yb7.L8Kwp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4786 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Folks! For whatever reason I am able to send mail but not recieve it so keep those cards and letters coming boys and girls! I will get back to you as soon as I can. Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 6 20:37:59 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id UAA28333; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 20:11:44 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 20:11:44 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 20:47:03 -0600 (MDT) From: "John R. Tooker" To: kyle Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Who the heck designed the GRC?? In-Reply-To: <33E93B8C.1D1E@sunherald.infi.net> Message-Id: Organization: Calgary Free-Net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"wnyV-2.0.cw6.jpJwp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4783 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Wed, 6 Aug 1997, kyle wrote: > > Hi All: > > Who wrote that article on the GRC? All I can find as far as references > are these: > > Joseph Misiolek > AXON Systems > A shady character named "Shadowhawk" > Thomas Townsend Brown > > Does anyone have further info? > Hi again, :) I was in contact with either Jerry Decker or Bill Beatty regarding the same file, and whomever I contacted mentioned that the author had passed away due to an auto accident, possibly within the last year or so. Beyond that, I suggest you try to contact Mr. Misiolek, possibly through the Keelynet BBS, or through the voice numbers usually given at the end of the Keelynet files. Beyond that, I'm willing to work with you off list on this project, as I'm going to be building one of these puppies too. Just send your e-mail to jrtooker@freenet.calgary.ab.ca Regards, John From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 6 20:49:51 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id UAA01247; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 20:31:33 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 20:31:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708070331.UAA00348@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: Time rate and extra power Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 20:33:19 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"4sH_N1.0.LJ.G6Kwp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4785 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Peter and all, > > >The real question is whether the time distortion can be accomplished with > >less energy than is gained in the output. > > > > Any kind of distortion would do. True, but my hunch is that either changes in the reactance of circuits, or changes in the rate of spin of massive discs are the ways to get to these effects easily. > > > > Does this not imply that electrons have a "preferred" spin polarity governed > by a non-local source? You've expressed this idea before and I understood that you were saying the source of spin orientation was the gravity field of earth. Is that still your idea? If so, i'm not really sure how this is supposed to work. On the other hand, I can imagine that the ROTATION of the earth could be tapped for power in a solid-state device.. A Sagnac interferometer is basically a big optical gyroscope that detects the earth's rotation by a difference in phase of two light beams at right angles. An efficient electron beam version of this could somehow convert the phase difference of the beams into power. Also-- My understanding is that "Berry's phase" says if you move for instance an angular momentum vector once around a circuit it comes out 90 degrees away from its original position, contrary to expectations. What does this mean for all the oriented spin vectors on the surface of the earth that are taken around by earth's rotation? > > Another word for time is stress, such as when charge moves to the outside of > a curved surface, as is prevalent in organic structures. The pattern of > reciprocal stress vectors determines the emergence of energy. This can be > applied to technology. This is very interesting but I'm not sure what you mean...are you talking about curves of least effort like soap bubbles and cells? Designed to minimize internal energy and increase stability? Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 6 21:10:28 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id UAA03372; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 20:42:59 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 20:42:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: building your own colloidal silver generator To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 23:40:46 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <01BCA29D.41309780@dial111.phoenix.net> from "Art Loya" at Aug 6, 97 07:16:23 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Message-Id: From: Robert Pettus Resent-Message-ID: <"Oz4x-2.0.aq.-GKwp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4787 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Either QST or 73 magazine had exactly what you wanted about 3 months ago. I kept the article, but I don't know where I kept it. Ill nose around. Robert > > Does anyone have a working schematic for building your own colloidal = > silver generator. I saw one advertised for $129.00 > I think it's a bit much for some kind of simple 9 volt oscillator, I = > would try to build one using a 555 and a 2n2222 but I haven't got a clue = > on frequencies or currents required. Any help would be appreciated. > > Thanks, Art > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 6 21:23:23 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id UAA05634; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 20:59:12 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 20:59:12 -0700 (PDT) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Cc: fepps@mail1.halcyon.com, gwatson@microtronics.com.au Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 20:35:14 -0700 Subject: Re: Another one-way device Message-ID: <19970806.205256.3374.3.tv@juno.com> References: <199708062203.PAA17897@pop1.ucdavis.edu> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-2,4-5,7,9-14,16,18-19,21-22,28-29,34-35,37-38,41-46 From: tv@juno.com (Tim D Vaughan) Resent-Message-ID: <"IEFxN3.0.wN1.wVKwp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4789 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Greg and Fred, On Wed, 6 Aug 1997 15:03:00 -0700 (PDT) Dan Quickert writes: >My impression of that (someone correct me if I'm wrong) (not that I >have to ask :-) is that Greg says the energy necessary to start the domain >avalanche is less than the energy induced by the avalanche. So it's a bit more >than time isolation, isn't it? >Dan Quickert I agree. I can transfer energy by throwing rocks. The energy I transfer to the rock is lost from the energy stored in my body. The time delay makes no difference. It makes no difference whether the rock loses its kinetic energy now or it drifts through interstellar space for eons. The energy is still lost. The idea of "back emf" is somewhat confusing at times but it is really no more mysterious than this. As long as there is some work to be done, it takes a continuous input of energy to replace that which is lost to keep an energy conversion system running. A man cranking a generator feels a "back-torque" when a load is place across the generator and the primary of a transformer "feels" the load across the secondary for much the same reason. It seems to me that if the DC energy ( current x voltage x time ) from the rectified and filtered output of the PMOD is greater than the time integrated total of the pulses put into the PMOD transformer, there must be an added quantity of energy entering the system apart from the pulse generator input.. Greg, are you saying that the avalanches you are triggering are an amplification of the original pulse ? Has the time integrated output (power x time) of the PMOD in DC actually exceeded the time integrated DC input to the pulse generator feeding the primary ? Please would you elaborate ? Thank You, Tim ( tv@juno.com ) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 6 21:23:29 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id UAA05419; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 20:58:04 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 20:58:04 -0700 (PDT) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Cc: bshannon@tiac.net Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 18:34:31 -0700 Subject: Barkhausen Battery Powered CB radio. Message-ID: <19970806.205256.3374.2.tv@juno.com> References: <199708060053.RAA13923@mail1.halcyon.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-2,4-10,12-20 From: tv@juno.com (Tim D Vaughan) Resent-Message-ID: <"kuuRd.0.TK1.0VKwp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4788 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Bob, The barkhausen detector is very interesting to me. I was especially intrigued by your comment about the 27 Mhz. tunnel diode transmitter powered by the barkhausen battery. A free energy QRP (low powered) CB radio. Could your tunnel diode transmitter been powered by 60 hz power picked up by the core of the barhausen battery ? Did you try running it away from the mains power ? Please, do you have a schematic of the setup you described? I would also be interested in the tunnel diode transmitter schematic and a source for the tunnel diodes. Thank You, Tim Vaughan ( tv@juno.com ) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 6 22:05:27 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id WAA19788; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 22:02:56 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 22:02:56 -0700 Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 00:01:37 -0500 (CDT) From: Zack Widup Subject: Re: Who the heck designed the GRC?? To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: <33E93B8C.1D1E@sunherald.infi.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"Daq283.0.5r4._RLwp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4790 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Wed, 6 Aug 1997, kyle wrote: > Hi All: > > Who wrote that article on the GRC? All I can find as far as references > are these: > > Joseph Misiolek > AXON Systems > A shady character named "Shadowhawk" > Thomas Townsend Brown > > Does anyone have further info? > > Kyle Mcallister > Well, it for sure wasn't Thomas Townsend Brown! My file says it was written by "Shadowhawk" (some anonymous person). That's probably all we'll ever know. I'm not sure who or where John Misiolek is, either. Zack From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 6 22:45:09 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id WAA20505; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 22:43:02 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 22:43:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33E95E9B.F9446A1D@microtronics.com.au> Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 15:05:24 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List Server Freenrg CC: List Server NeoTech , List Server Newman , List Server Vortex Subject: SMOT Mk3 Magnetic Array Details X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"VrkKF1.0.F05.W1Mwp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4791 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: HI All, I have just posted the design of the SMOT Mk3 Magnetic Array on my site. The design is VERY different to anything you have seen before. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Phone / PC Fax ...... 61 8 8270 2737 E-mail .............. gwatson@microtronics.com.au Home Page ........... Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 7 00:09:16 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id AAA07379; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 00:07:11 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 00:07:11 -0700 Message-ID: <33E972AF.FF951B94@microtronics.com.au> Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 16:31:03 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List Server Freenrg CC: List Server Vortex Subject: SMOT Mk3 Magnetic Array X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"HlxO4.0.6p1.SGNwp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4792 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi All, More info on the SMOT Mk3 magnetic array is now available. The design is very new and should be reviewed by ALL those interested in the SMOT. The new design can be used with existing ramps to improve performance. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Phone / PC Fax ...... 61 8 8270 2737 E-mail .............. gwatson@microtronics.com.au Home Page ........... Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 7 00:36:56 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id AAA11896; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 00:36:26 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 00:36:26 -0700 Message-Id: <199708070737.AAA00330@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: Re:Time Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 00:40:46 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Tqv4I3.0.nv2.uhNwp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4793 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: ---------- > From: Charlie Hodgson > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Cc: Fred Epps > Subject: Re: Re:Time > Date: Wednesday, August 06, 1997 12:33 PM > > In <199708061921.MAA03168@mail1.halcyon.com>, on 08/06/97 > at 11:36 AM, "Fred Epps" said: > > >Hi Charlie and all, > >> It is my belief the speed of light is the limiting factor to remain > >solely > >> within our 3 physical dimensions. Above that speed you would pop across > >> dimensions. > > >Yes, I agree. But I also think the idea of "dimensions" is confusing. > >It's used in about 6 different ways. > >Which way are you using it? > > As physical dimensions. Superstring theory suggest that there may be 21 > dimensions, though I believe it also states the they are all folded into > our 3 dimensions. Of course there is no way to test superstring theory, and besides, it doesn't give any concrete answer to the question. Maybe I'll rephrase the question: what sort of dimension would be beyond the light barrier? Hear Rod Serling saying (dee-dee-dee-dee :-) A dimension where things happen instantly, instead of taking time. A dimension where matter flows like energy. A dimension with many unknown spectral characteristics (colors). A dimension where mind rules matter. And what does all that sound like? The "afterlife", as the Victorians used to call it. The way I would put it is that physical reality actually extends beyond the light barrier. The things we call paranormal phenomena might actually be classical Maxwellian FTL waves, particles, and matter and be just as real as we are. It may be the spectral inadequacies of the human eye that forbid us from seeing the aura or other manifestations of these energies. There should be specific ways that these ultra high frequncies could interact with ours. It seems most likely that the means of interaction would be through-- light. Visible light could be considered a subharmonic of some higher octave of light. This would presumably be linked to the UV area of the spectrum. Many paranormal manifestations have been photographed on UV film. what we experience is our greater selves projected into > three dimensions. This is not the forum to discuss this aspect of it. Not necessarily, if it can be given a physical understanding. I don't know if it can, but in any case I agree with you that we are extensions of more multifaceted beings into various times and places. > > I have never considered time to be a dimension, instead I feel it is a > phenomena which we experience. Yes, we can drop a ball from a certain > height and it will always take the save number of vibrations of a cesium > atom to hit the ground. But is 'time' truely uniform and constant? We > can't tell because we are inside the system and are subject to the same > fluctuations as the devices we use to measure it. I agree-- time is not a dimension. IMO it is ALL the phenomena we experience-- time is just a name for the changes in real phenomena. I do think that time is > an 'indication' of how far we have traveled on a fourth dimension. If your saying that time is not the 4th Einsteinian dimension I agree. > > Confused yet? You will be. > > I'll go a step further and suggest that 'space' (our 3 diminsions) is NOT > infinately divisable, but instead contains a granualarity which can be > thought of as points. In open space (with little gravitational influence) > points are at a uniform spacing. i could think of these points as evenly spaced black and white holes that allow energy to flow in and out of physical reality. Time, as we experience it, exists in > 'moments'. Time is quantized by the universal nature of oscillations, "beats" Within our system of reference, time is contiguous. It only appears contiguous because our minds pass over the blank spaces. Outside of > our system, it does not have to be. agreed. > > I'm bet you're sorry you asked that question Fred. No, not at all, it is very interesting. > Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 7 03:19:42 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id DAA12985; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 03:18:50 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 03:18:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.16.19970807150214.230f938c@pop.ihug.co.nz> X-Sender: ksmith@pop.ihug.co.nz X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 22:14:30 -1100 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Ken Smith Subject: Re: SMOT Mk3 Magnetic Array Resent-Message-ID: <"Fyran1.0.nA3.74Qwp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4794 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Copy All, Greg W, "Oh you are a clever man Charlie Brown". I don't even need to go straight to the garage to check this. I was nearly here a fair few weeks back, by accident. I was working on a level table playing with rolling resistance on the oo guage rail and my 22mm balls and had a row of keepers on either side of the ball and a PAIR of magnets on either side at the exit end with a top bridge. I achieved some very soft rollaways, but dismissed the effect as a result of a non-level bed. With the perfect clarity of hindsight I now remember that I had that level perfect at the time, but never saw what I saw for what it was. Well done for working it through. It will need some delicate building I would guess, but if the Master says it will work - it's good enough for me. Back to the magnets and railway track... Seriously though, a good lesson is learnt here (for me at least). We are so indoctrinated by our previous concepts that when a small anomoly appears we strive to find another, more *logical* explaination and when we manufacture one - we accept it - that is the most comfortable approach. How many opportunities have been lost this way. GW is always saying "think outside the square" and do we ? rarely. To amalgamate two posts. Fred E has been active (and very interesting) in his ideas about time and recently (possibly) paranomal explainations of ZPE. With the lessons of the above it would be pertinent to report something that may be of importance. I have been working on H Lafont's idea of the 2 S poles + a N pole cancellation using a rotating single pole motor. This baby runs very well using low power input, but I am a long way from reporting any sort of spectacular claims for it. However it does run for extended periods on a very low input and recently while it was running I had a desire to fire up my Tesla Coil. My TC is a relatively big affair and it runs with 60 inch streamers and generally makes the garage a hazardous place to be. So I have put some directional rods on the torus to keep me out of the firing line (so to speak) when she is running (TC's are always female - they are unpredictable and dangerous). I cannot run for very long in the garage since the ozone buildup is so massive that it gets very uncomfortable. I have noticed in the past that while the TC is running there are strange effects. Spanners fall off of their wall mounts, bottle capacitors (not connected to anything) blow up, and all the tubes in the lights light up. Non of this is particularly surprising given that I work in an all metal garage and the streamers constantly hit the roof. However when the little NNS motor was running at the same time as the TC - well all hell was let loose. The NNS motor started accelerating and eventually the magnets were flung straight off the mountings by CF. No big deal in isolation - maybe they were ready to come off anyway. But why the acceleration - why did they both come off together. I may be wrong to report this, but something went astray then. What has prompted me to report this is that I have recently read a WWW report of a similar effects relating to high concentrations of EM and a sequence of strange effects - and it may have bearing on what Fred is moving towards. The URL is : http://www.peg.apc.org/~nexus/Polter.html Who knows. Maybe I am peeing into wind on this. I certainly do not have the education to make any informed statements. However I am learning not to ignore the possibility that my strange connections may be someone else's Eureka.... Ken >The design is very new and should be reviewed by ALL those interested in >the SMOT. > >The new design can be used with existing ramps to improve performance. > >-- >Best Regards, > Greg Watson > > Phone / PC Fax ...... 61 8 8270 2737 > E-mail .............. gwatson@microtronics.com.au > Home Page ........... Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson > > > Ken Smith (ksmith@ihug.co.nz) http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~ksmith From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 7 04:26:53 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id EAA13734; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 04:26:32 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 04:26:32 -0700 Message-ID: <33E8F73A.2179@mail.dux.ru> Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 02:14:18 +0400 From: "Alexander V. Frolov" Reply-To: frolov@mail.dux.ru Organization: Home Lab X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Time References: <199708061921.MAA03168@mail1.halcyon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ZuXy6.0.UM3.d3Rwp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4795 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Fred Epps wrote: > > Hi Charlie and all, > > > > It is my belief the speed of light is the limiting factor to remain > solely > > within our 3 physical dimensions. Above that speed you would pop across > > dimensions. > > Yes, I agree. But I also think the idea of "dimensions" is confusing. > It's used in about 6 different ways. > Which way are you using it? > > Fred > Dimensionalty is not discrete numbers 1,2,3,4... In the nature for our world it is any value like 3.14 or something like that. Soory, if it is not the topic for free-energy list. Alexander V. Frolov From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 7 04:32:00 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id EAA14703; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 04:31:35 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 04:31:35 -0700 Message-ID: <33E8FC7A.312F@mail.dux.ru> Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 02:36:42 +0400 From: "Alexander V. Frolov" Reply-To: frolov@mail.dux.ru Organization: Home Lab X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Another one-way device References: <199708070153.SAA23475@mail1.halcyon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ZYSlN3.0.cb3.M8Rwp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4797 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Fred > > Picture a magnetostrictive bar. There's a primary on one end and a > secondary at the other. When power is pulsed into the primary it travels > down the rod to the secondary where the power is absorbed by a load. > Presumably a wave of back EMF travels back down the rod to the primary-- > but when it gets there it doesn't cancel the original impulse but can > itself be tapped for power. So called "cause-effect asymmetry". To break it, you'll change the density of time in the area of its operation, since the time is the rate of transformation from the cause into effect. The density of time can be detected by any resistor, semiconductor, quartz ... since the properties of matter is depend of it. Natural density of time is not stable, as N.Kozyrev demonstrated. There are daily and seasonal oscillations. Alexander V. Frolov From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 7 04:33:32 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id EAA16796; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 04:30:09 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 04:30:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33E90662.486D@mail.dux.ru> Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 03:18:58 +0400 From: "Alexander V. Frolov" Reply-To: frolov@mail.dux.ru Organization: Home Lab X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: "Action is 4th number" German Veil References: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------6C1B44F10" Resent-Message-ID: <"uWgyw3.0.L64.-6Rwp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4796 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------6C1B44F10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Stuart Rae wrote: > Hello Alexander, welcome back to the list! It's good to hear from you again > So what then would be your opinion of the concept shared by Fred and myself > that: > Time is a clever illusion of matter, and might be best defined as: > "The resistance of matter to energy". I'll try use only words of some physical sense. The time as physical phenomenon is required for description of action. It can be motion of matter, for example. But if the matter is not moving? It is existing or moving in time, in 4th direction. Motion is the change of the position in the space. Time rate is the ratio: dx/dt, where dx is distance between cause (previous position) and effect (present position), and dt is the period between previous and present moments. If one create any motion, one create local time. You wrote about "resistance of matter to energy". Yes, if it means the change of the energy, i.e. the action, for example, acceleration. The curve-line acceleration lead to well-known centrifugal force, that is by this concept the demonstration of local time. But this 2-dimensional time can be detected as force in space. Also any gyro can demonstrate the force that is 3-dimensional local time result, since own rotation + prececcion = 2 dimensional trajectory. Reaction will be created in 3rd dimension. The problem is to create VOLUMETRICAL time, or some reaction force along the 4th axis of the space. By analogy, it is necessary to create the action, the change, the motion in all three spatial directions. In this case, the reaction or resistance you wrote will be created as the 4th-directed force or the time (chronal force) that can be detected by clock. So, this is small simplified part of my theory. I used some conclusions from the theories of German Veil, A.Einstein, De Broighl, P.Ouspesky, N.Kozyrev and others. I found real proof of the approach: the law for whole numbers of 4th curvature. By G.Veil, any action is 4th dimensional NUMBER only. I found that natural elements of the matter are processes, but it is not a "things", so they are described by real whole number of the 4th curvature (reversed radius), for example, DNA molecule is action and according to its real parameters the calculated curvature for it is 14.0000. The Bohr atom curvature is 1.0025 (almost 1 or unit value). Proton curvature: 132141.000. Planet Earth curvature: 151.00. If you wish, my old paper is attached. Anybody know who can invest in the project for time rate control? Alexander V. 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freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Who the heck designed the GRC?? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"rUPei1.0.dM4.HLRwp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4798 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Zack Widup wrote: > > On Wed, 6 Aug 1997, kyle wrote: > > > Hi All: > > > > Who wrote that article on the GRC? All I can find as far as references > > are these: > > > > Joseph Misiolek > > AXON Systems > > A shady character named "Shadowhawk" > > Thomas Townsend Brown > > > > Does anyone have further info? > > > > Kyle Mcallister > > > > Well, it for sure wasn't Thomas Townsend Brown! > > My file says it was written by "Shadowhawk" (some anonymous person). > That's probably all we'll ever know. I'm not sure who or where John > Misiolek is, either. > > Zack Ditto! Yes, same here. Todd From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 7 05:48:11 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id FAA26057; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 05:47:53 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 05:47:53 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970807064408.00742aac@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 06:44:08 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: Strange motor behavior (was Re: SMOT Mk3 Magnetic Array) In-Reply-To: <2.2.16.19970807150214.230f938c@pop.ihug.co.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"PO_LF1.0.wM6.tFSwp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4799 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 22:14 8/7/97 -1100, Ken Smith wrote (that after he turned on his Tesla coil): >well all hell was let loose. The NNS motor started accelerating and >eventually the magnets were flung straight off the mountings by CF. This comment reminds me of an odd series of events that I observed. I salvaged the motor from a small battery powered analog clock. It employed a magnetic pendulum, kicked by a coil that was connected through an npn transistor to 2 AA batteries. I kept it because I liked the design, the coil serving as both position sensor of the pendulum, and as the electromagnet that provided the pulse which kept the pendulum moving. I was living in Florida at the time (1988-89) and kept this motor running on a table in the bedroom. The speed of it's oscillation remained constant for several weeks. One morning I noticed the motor's action had become violent...the pendulum banging against the stops. This behavior lasted most of the week, the speed of the motor was erratic. It would run normally for a while, then the amplitude of the oscillations would slowly increase until it begun hitting the limits of it's travel. Once this began happening the speed seemed to acquire an slow periodic variation...in the 0.5Hz neighborhood?? Possibly it was somewhat slower...I can't recall. On the third day of this anomalous activity we witnessed a rare event, a dull-red aurora display...not much by the northern states standards. Even so, I was impressed. After the second night of the aurora, the motor resumed normal operation. The aurora display continued to be visible on the following two evenings, but at lessened intensity. I allowed the motor to run for the next, oh, maybe six months, until the batteries ran down, without noticing any unusual behavior. Then I tossed it in a box when the moving crew arrived, and haven't seen it since. Another one of those 'things that makes you wanna go Hmmm...' Best Regards, JD ------------------------------------------------------------ "Don't panic! ...I'm not from the government, and I wouldn't lift a finger to help you." -Bug Eyed Monster E-mail to: mules@palacenet.net ------------------------------------------------------------ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 7 06:28:23 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id GAA31434; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 06:27:51 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 06:27:51 -0700 X-Sender: rmuha@mail Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <33E93878.267A@sunherald.infi.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 09:26:44 -0400 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: ralph muha Subject: Re: Discussion Power Supplies Resent-Message-ID: <"H5pS43.0.3h7.MrSwp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4800 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >0-120VAC Variac(variable autotransformer), (where can I get this?) Variacs are pretty common pieces of gear. They're used to isolate equipment from the power mains and to test the behavior of ac powered gear under different voltages (eg, to simulate brownouts). my Mouser (1-800-346-6873) catalog shows a variety of models, prices vary with output current. The cheapest is 1.75A for $57 but you would probably need at least 3A ($68) @120V to produce to produce 10A @48V. The next size is 5A for $106. >There are 2 coils (A and B) > >Connect one lead of coil A to one 50VDC power supply, coil B to the >other. Connect other lead of Coil A to 25-100KVDC power supply, other >lead of coil B to other terminal on 25-100KVDC power supply. actually, it says to connect both leads of coil A to one of the 50V supplies, and both leads of coil B to the other 50V supply. Then use the HV supply to create a potential difference between the coils by attaching the leads from the HV supply to one lead of each coil. the variacs are then used to 'modulate' the coils... I've always thought that this experiment would be more interesting using pulsed DC to drive the coils... r From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 7 06:44:20 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id GAA01564; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 06:42:29 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 06:42:29 -0700 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 09:42:16 -0400 (EDT) From: woods@most.weird.com (Greg A. Woods) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: SMOT Mk3 Magnetic Array In-Reply-To: Ken Smith's message of "Thu, August 7, 1997 22:14:30 -1100" regarding "Re: SMOT Mk3 Magnetic Array" id <2.2.16.19970807150214.230f938c@pop.ihug.co.nz> References: <2.2.16.19970807150214.230f938c@pop.ihug.co.nz> Reply-To: woods@weird.com (Greg A. Woods) X-Mailer: ViewMail (vm) Version 5.96 (beta) with GNU Emacs 19.34.1 (m68k.68881-sun-sunos4.1.1, X toolkit) of Thu Sep 12 1996 on most Organization: Planix, Inc.; Toronto, Ontario; Canada Resent-Message-ID: <"TJZqj2.0.JO.33Twp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4801 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: [ On Thu, August 7, 1997 at 22:14:30 (-1100), Ken Smith wrote: ] > Subject: Re: SMOT Mk3 Magnetic Array > > Seriously though, a good lesson is learnt here (for me at least). We are so > indoctrinated by our previous concepts that when a small anomoly appears we > strive to find another, more *logical* explaination and when we manufacture > one - we accept it - that is the most comfortable approach. How many > opportunities have been lost this way. GW is always saying "think outside > the square" and do we ? rarely. Occam's Razor. Even our former friend and foe Carl Sagan seemed to be of two minds about this device. As I recall he skirts around the issue very deftly in "The Demon-Haunted World" (a book everyone in the world should read, though it needs some cultural translation for non-North Americans) and though I don't know if it was specifically his writing, but his movie "Contact" comes right out and deals with it face to face in a very human, if somewhat frustrating, way. I know in my struggles with trying to learn and understand the scientific establishment that I too have many times questioned the sanity of laying down such a rule that can be so blatantly wrong at times, and esp. if applied by humans in an imperfect way. Of course it is self-justifying and circular, so is impossible to argue against in a general way. You really do have to "think outside the square" and come up with the truely simpler explanation, not just leave things to the "more logical explanation." -- Greg A. Woods +1 416 443-1734 VE3TCP Planix, Inc. ; Secrets of the Weird From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 7 07:03:47 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id HAA05149; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 07:03:02 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 07:03:02 -0700 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 10:02:51 -0400 (EDT) From: woods@most.weird.com (Greg A. Woods) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Strange motor behavior (was Re: SMOT Mk3 Magnetic Array) In-Reply-To: Jack DeMule's message of "Thu, August 7, 1997 06:44:08 -0500" regarding "Strange motor behavior (was Re: SMOT Mk3 Magnetic Array)" id <3.0.1.32.19970807064408.00742aac@palacenet.net> References: <2.2.16.19970807150214.230f938c@pop.ihug.co.nz> <3.0.1.32.19970807064408.00742aac@palacenet.net> Reply-To: woods@weird.com (Greg A. Woods) X-Mailer: ViewMail (vm) Version 5.96 (beta) with GNU Emacs 19.34.1 (m68k.68881-sun-sunos4.1.1, X toolkit) of Thu Sep 12 1996 on most Organization: Planix, Inc.; Toronto, Ontario; Canada Resent-Message-ID: <"wS4qm3.0.IG1.LMTwp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4802 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: [ On Thu, August 7, 1997 at 06:44:08 (-0500), Jack DeMule wrote: ] > Subject: Strange motor behavior (was Re: SMOT Mk3 Magnetic Array) > > On the third day of this anomalous activity we witnessed a rare > event, a dull-red aurora display...not much by the northern states > standards. Even so, I was impressed. > > After the second night of the aurora, the motor resumed > normal operation. The aurora display continued to be visible > on the following two evenings, but at lessened intensity. I presume the aurora you saw was in the night sky, i.e. the Aurora Borealis? ;-) Just checking! ;-) Yes, I've heard many people say that their "electric" clocks often run haywire at times. I grew up on a farm in the south east corner of Saskatchewan were we sometimes were treated with Aurora Borealis that brilliantly lit up the *entire* sky! It would sometimes be as bright as a full moon but while the moon was nowhere to be seen. -- Greg A. Woods +1 416 443-1734 VE3TCP Planix, Inc. ; Secrets of the Weird From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 7 07:25:22 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id HAA09444; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 07:25:00 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 07:25:00 -0700 From: bpaddock@csonline.net (Bob Paddock) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: building your own colloidal silver generator Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 10:14:03 -0400 Organization: is mostly via piles Reply-To: bpaddock@csonline.net Message-ID: References: <01BCA29D.41309780@dial111.phoenix.net> In-Reply-To: <01BCA29D.41309780@dial111.phoenix.net> Lines: 42 Resent-Message-ID: <"Kla8e1.0.TJ2.xgTwp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4803 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >Does anyone have a working schematic for building your own >colloidal silver generator. I saw one advertised for $129.00 >I think it's a bit much for some kind of simple 9 volt >oscillator, I would try to build one using a 555 and a >2n2222 but I haven't got a clue on frequencies or currents >required. Any help would be appreciated. You sure your not confusing the "Plant Growth Stimulator" with the Silver Colloide Generator? To make the silver go to Radio Shack get three 9V battery clips (they come in a pack of 5) and two of their small 12V 50mA (I've seen these vary from 40 to 55mA) incandescent lamps. Hook them all up in series and you have your CSG, minus the silver wire you need to get from a Jeweler and your all set. Some Sea Salt maybe helpful as well, don't use Table Salt. There is a mailing list that discusses the SilverC. stuff if your interested. If your after the "Plant Growth Stimulator" you can build one of those up from a quad op-amp such as the LT1491. Op-Amp-A = .5Vdd splitter Op-Amp-B = Square Wave Generator, in the .1 to 20 Hz range [Make sure you pick the frequency for what you want to do, I don't know them] Op-Amp-C & D = A "H" bridge style driver. Be careful these devices can be dangerous, so study well before using. -- For information on any of the following check out my WEB site at: http://www.usachoice.net/bpaddock Chemical Free Air Conditioning/No CFC's, Chronic Pain Relief, Electromedicine, Electronics, Explore!, Free Energy, Full Disclosure, KeelyNet, Matric Limited, Neurophone, Oil City PA, Philadelphia Experiment. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 7 07:26:04 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id HAA09637; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 07:25:39 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 07:25:39 -0700 Message-ID: <33EA0407.1AC2@tiac.net> Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 10:21:11 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Reply-To: bshannon@tiac.net Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Who the heck designed the GRC?? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"3u2hF1.0.QM2.XhTwp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4804 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: John R. Tooker wrote: > > On Wed, 6 Aug 1997, kyle wrote: > > > > > Hi All: > > > > Who wrote that article on the GRC? All I can find as far as references > > are these: > > > > Joseph Misiolek > > AXON Systems > > A shady character named "Shadowhawk" > > Thomas Townsend Brown > > > > Does anyone have further info? > > > Hi again, :) > I was in contact with either Jerry Decker or Bill Beatty regarding the > same file, and whomever I contacted mentioned that the author had passed > away due to an auto accident, possibly within the last year or so. Beyond > that, I suggest you try to contact Mr. Misiolek, possibly through the > Keelynet BBS, or through the voice numbers usually given at the end of the > Keelynet files. > Beyond that, I'm willing to work with you off list on this project, as I'm > going to be building one of these puppies too. Just send your e-mail to > jrtooker@freenet.calgary.ab.ca > Regards, > John Joe Misiolek is no longer on Keelynet, and has not been a member there for many years now. I'm in regular contact with Joe, and can forward any questions to him if you like. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 7 07:37:52 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id HAA06769; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 07:36:43 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 07:36:43 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 09:35:27 -0500 (CDT) From: Sam Williams To: "freenrg-l@eskimo.com" Subject: Re: building your own colloidal silver generator In-Reply-To: <01BCA29D.41309780@dial111.phoenix.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"7F8Hr1.0.gf1.urTwp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4805 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: There was an article in 73 magazine entitled "Build a Colloidal Silver Generator" back in April of this year. The guy that wrote the article is named Thomas Miller. He also has a web site at http://www.infocom.com/~thomil. The information is toward the bottom under a hyper-link called Bio-Silver Update. Unfortunately the article is not availble yet on site. Hope this helps. BTW , you are absolutely correct! The price is too great. Build your own!! Sam Williams wb5yni samw@wwa.com Systems Programmer Staff Specialist samw@sinnfree.org --------------------------------------------------------------------------- simplicity is the ultimate form of sophistication.... Leonardo Da Vinci On Wed, 6 Aug 1997, Art Loya wrote: > Does anyone have a working schematic for building your own colloidal silver generator. I saw one advertised for $129.00 > I think it's a bit much for some kind of simple 9 volt oscillator, I would try to build one using a 555 and a 2n2222 but I haven't got a clue on frequencies or currents required. Any help would be appreciated. > > Thanks, Art > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 7 07:52:34 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id HAA14994; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 07:51:51 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 07:51:51 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970807084603.006e68fc@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 08:46:03 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: Re: Discussion Power Supplies In-Reply-To: References: <33E93878.267A@sunherald.infi.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"vxpuF1.0.Bg3.74Uwp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4806 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 09:26 8/7/97 -0400, you wrote: >Variacs are pretty common pieces of gear. They're used to isolate >equipment from the power mains and to test the behavior of ac powered >gear under different voltages (eg, to simulate brownouts). Variac is the trade marked name for a brand an auto-transformer (a contraction of variable and AC.) Inside you'll find a coil (wound on a toroidal steel tape core) that is tapped by a carbon brush. This allows you to vary the turns ratio, which provides the variable output voltage...but there is NO ISOLATION from the AC line. Either output terminal may be connected directly to phase depending on how it's connected. An auto transformer is not an isolating transformer...there is only one winding on the core, which is tapped to provide a bucked, or boosted, output voltage. If you need isolation, which is a good idea, you need to buy an isolation transformer. Preferably one with a screen between the primary and secondary. Which you should then connect to the safety ground. I use a Signal Transformer Corp. model DU-1 at home when I decide on fiddling with off-line stuff. Best Regards, JD ------------------------------------------------------------ "Don't panic! ...I'm not from the government, and I wouldn't lift a finger to help you." -Bug Eyed Monster E-mail to: mules@palacenet.net ------------------------------------------------------------ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 7 08:10:22 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id IAA17662; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 08:08:01 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 08:08:01 -0700 X-Sender: richarda@mailhub.icx.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01BCA29D.41309780@dial111.phoenix.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 11:08:33 -0400 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Richard Austin Subject: Re: building your own colloidal silver generator Resent-Message-ID: <"MV7Ke.0.sJ4.FJUwp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4807 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Nothing needs to be built to make colloidal silver. 30V DC across 2 pure silver electrodes about an inch apart in pure distilled ozonated water for 20 minutes makes 3-5 ppm colloidal silver. The trick is PURE silver electrodes-- .999 pure silver. Sterling silver is poisonous. There are other ways. Do a search on the Bob Beck material. He gives schematics for making simple circuits for various healing devices. Not all his assumptions are correct but he is more on target than most. >Does anyone have a working schematic for building your own colloidal silver generator. I saw one advertised for $129.00 >I think it's a bit much for some kind of simple 9 volt oscillator, I would try to build one using a 555 and a 2n2222 but I haven't got a clue on frequencies or currents required. Any help would be appreciated. > >Thanks, Art Richard Austin -- email: richarda@icx.net -- radio: KG7SU Check out the Institute for Planetary Renewal at http://user.icx.net/~richarda From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 7 08:29:17 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id IAA22945; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 08:28:36 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 08:28:36 -0700 Message-ID: <33E90AF0.6807@mail.dux.ru> Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 03:38:24 +0400 From: "Alexander V. Frolov" Reply-To: frolov@mail.dux.ru Organization: Home Lab X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: ? David Johns and his perpetuum mobile References: <33E972AF.FF951B94@microtronics.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"l4mzZ2.0.Nc5.YcUwp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4808 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Anybody know about person who demonstrated in USA in the process of some technical exibition of 1980th the rotating perpetuum mobile device like the bicycle wheel? His name seems Mr. Davins Johns from Newkasp or something like that. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 7 08:38:27 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id IAA24473; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 08:37:57 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 08:37:57 -0700 Message-ID: <33E9F9C9.24F3@sunherald.infi.net> Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 09:37:30 -0700 From: kyle Reply-To: stk@sunherald.infi.net Organization: InfiNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Discussion Power Supplies References: <33E93878.267A@sunherald.infi.net> <3.0.1.32.19970807084603.006e68fc@palacenet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"4CEKX3.0.H-5.JlUwp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4809 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Jack DeMule wrote: > > At 09:26 8/7/97 -0400, you wrote: > >Variacs are pretty common pieces of gear. They're used to isolate > >equipment from the power mains and to test the behavior of ac powered > >gear under different voltages (eg, to simulate brownouts). > > Variac is the trade marked name for a brand an auto-transformer > (a contraction of variable and AC.) Inside you'll find a > coil (wound on a toroidal steel tape core) that is tapped > by a carbon brush. This allows you to vary the turns ratio, > which provides the variable output voltage...but there is NO > ISOLATION from the AC line. Either output terminal may be > connected directly to phase depending on how it's connected. > > An auto transformer is not an isolating transformer...there is > only one winding on the core, which is tapped to provide > a bucked, or boosted, output voltage. > > If you need isolation, which is a good idea, you need to buy > an isolation transformer. Preferably one with a screen between > the primary and secondary. Which you should then connect to the > safety ground. I use a Signal Transformer Corp. model DU-1 at > home when I decide on fiddling with off-line stuff. > Yes, but where can I get one that will do the following: Step-down 120VAC to 48VDC Output a current of 10A (500Watts) Isolated for 50KV Can I build one? If anyone here knows how to build one, let me know Kyle From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 7 09:28:36 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id JAA01443 for bilb@eskimo.com; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 09:28:34 -0700 Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 09:28:34 -0700 X-Envelope-From: dserhal@netnitco.net Thu Aug 7 09:28:31 1997 Received: from mail1.nitco.com (mail1.nitco.com [205.217.12.141]) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA01421 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 09:28:31 -0700 Received: from dserhal.netnitco.net (anchor3.nitco.com [205.217.26.114]) by mail1.nitco.com (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id LAA10198 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 11:41:10 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199708071641.LAA10198@mail1.nitco.com> From: "Your Buddy" To: Subject: Re: building your own colloidal silver generator Old-Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 11:24:41 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Diagnostic: Not on the accept list X-Envelope-To: freenrg-l Status: O X-Status: Keelynet has the exact specs on building a colloidal silver generator. Go to: http://www.keelynet.com/biology/colloid.htm Don't pay for it...they have it for free There is a lot of other GREAT "stuff" at: http://www.keelynet.com Good luck! Darren dserhal@netnitco.net > Subject: building your own colloidal silver generator > Date: Wednesday, August 06, 1997 7:16 PM > > Does anyone have a working schematic for building your own colloidal silver generator. I saw one advertised for $129.00 > I think it's a bit much for some kind of simple 9 volt oscillator, I would try to build one using a 555 and a 2n2222 but I haven't got a clue on frequencies or currents required. Any help would be appreciated. > > Thanks, Art > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 7 11:09:21 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id LAA08380; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 11:06:42 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 11:06:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: josephnewman@mail.earthlink.net (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 13:09:12 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: Re: Newman's Engine Resent-Message-ID: <"dGHys2.0.q22.kwWwp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4810 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >I've been lurking the list for several weeks now and have a couple of >questions. > >First, is there a list FAQ available from somewhere? > >Second (and this would probably be in the FAQ if one exists), why don't >I see very much talk about the Newman Engine in the list? > >When I first started looking for free energy ideas and did some web >searches, it seemed like 75%+ of the hits I found were about Newman's >device. However, what was presented had little to no real data, only his >ads saying buy his book before you ask any questions. :p > >Does his engine actually produce useful O/U energy, at a useful scale? >If so, why aren't the serious researchers on this list talking about it, >improving it, etc.? Or does everyone else on the list already have >Newman powered homes, and are now looking for other, lighter options? >>From Newman's web page, he states that he encourages non-profit >experimentation with his device and hopes others will build it to prove >it works. > >While I can find many references to his demonstrations, and testimonials >about his device, I can not find any data showing amount of over-unity >energy being produced. Especially helpful would be some info on how much >excess energy he produces for each of the differently sized engines he >has demonstrated. I see references to 1000lb., 5000lb., and 15,000lb. >demonstration versions, but no reference to their output. i.e. how large >a unit would be needed for 500W continuous? > >Answers to these conundrums would be greatly appreciated. :) To: Robert Saylor Dear Mr. Saylor, Via private email I am forwarding general intro instructions on accessing the Newman Archives/FAQs (which contain considerable documentation regarding the technology). Also, feel free to contact Ralph Hartwell who worked directly with Joseph Newman in construction of the secondary coil for the largest 10,000+ lb prototype. Ralph is the Chief Engineer with the CBS-affiliate TV station in New Orleans and has a solid background in conventional EE as well as an understanding of many aspects of Joseph Newman's technology. Over the years, Joe has constructed a variety of prototypes -- ranging in size from several pounds to over 10,000 lbs. His most recent versions have been scaled-down in size and are intended to function primarily as Motors. It is anticipated that the first commerical unit will be a Motor in the 10HP range. I will forward to your attention a number of additional email Documents, Reports, etc. I have a considerable number of gif images also available. Best regards, Evan Soule' Director of Information NEWMAN ENERGY PRODUCTS josephnewman@earthlink.net (504) 524-3063 P.O. Box 57684, New Orleans, LA 70157-7684 Websites: http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/6087 http://www.angelfire.com/biz/Newman/index.html "In speaking of the Energy of the field, however, I wish to be understood literally. All energy is the same as mechanical energy, whether it exists in the form of motion or in that of elasticity, or in any other form. The energy in electromagnetic phenomena is _mechanical_ energy." --- JAMES CLERK MAXWELL From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 7 13:59:47 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id NAA00577; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 13:58:25 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 13:58:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33EA44A2.5F94@sunherald.infi.net> Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 14:56:50 -0700 From: kyle Reply-To: stk@sunherald.infi.net Organization: InfiNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Power Supplies References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"eA_Hj3.0.u8.jRZwp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4811 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: John R. Tooker wrote: > > On Wed, 6 Aug 1997, Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga wrote: > > > > > kyle wrote: > > > > > > Hi All: > > > > > > Does anyone here know how to build a 50VDC @ 10A (50KVDC isolated) power > > > supply? > > > > > > Kyle > > > > Kyle > > If this power supply is for the gravity coil, maybe you can try by > > placing two hi-voltage diodes in serial with the outputs, but where are > > 10A 50Kv diodes? > Hi, :) > I've been searching for a battery powered supply for the grav coil, as > well. I've found one that will do quite well from the "Hoverboard Design > Manual", by Bill Butler. It uses a transistor oscillator circuit, a > flyback transformer, and a series of hv caps and diodes. > Kyle, if you wish a copy of the circuit, please send me a snail mail > address, and I'll send you a photocopy of the schematics, etc. > Regards, > John Sure. I'd like a copy. One question: does it provide 50VDC @10A AND a potential difference power supply of 25-100KVDC? Kyle Mcallister 12920 Hanover Dr. Ocean Springs, MS 39564 USA From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 7 14:01:20 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id OAA19610; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 14:00:02 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 14:00:02 -0700 Message-ID: <33EA4540.7AE7@sunherald.infi.net> Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 14:59:29 -0700 From: kyle Reply-To: stk@sunherald.infi.net Organization: InfiNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Power supply-batteries References: <199708062254.PAA07506@norway.it.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"q15fn2.0.Bo4.GTZwp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4812 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dave Dameron wrote: > > >>What is this talk of using batteries to power the GRC power supplies? Do > >>you have to have batteries wired up to produce 50KV or use lower voltage > >>batteries, and step them up with circuits? > > > > > >I'd use the batteries to provide the 50V 10A source, > >that will ride on top of the 50KV off-line supply. > > > >Best Regards, > >JD > If one side of the 50KV supply is grounded, one of the 50V supplies could be > run off the line and the other, connected to the ungrounded side of 50KV, > could be 4 12 batteries in series. > -Dave Could you send me a diagram showing how the 25-100KVDC power supply and 2 50VDC power supplies are hooked up the way you're saying? Kyle Mcallister From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 7 14:07:03 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id OAA02020; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 14:05:41 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 14:05:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33EA37AE.A333CAB2@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 17:01:35 -0400 From: Dave DeLeo Reply-To: ddeleo@ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freenrg-l@eskimo.com" Subject: list problems X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"C0cMk2.0.TV.XYZwp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4813 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I have not recieved a copy of the digest of this list since #272 on 7/31. Is there a problem or has the traffic all of a sudden ground to a halt. If someone could let me know whats wrong I'd appreciate it. Thank You Dave DeLeo ddeleo@ix.netcom.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 7 14:44:23 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id OAA28533; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 14:39:09 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 14:39:09 -0700 Message-ID: <33EA69A0.5F17@tiac.net> Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 17:34:40 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Reply-To: bshannon@tiac.net Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: SMOT Mk3 Magnetic Array References: <33E972AF.FF951B94@microtronics.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"gTG1z.0.gz6.w1awp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4814 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Greg Watson wrote: > > Hi All, > > More info on the SMOT Mk3 magnetic array is now available. > > The design is very new and should be reviewed by ALL those interested in > the SMOT. > > The new design can be used with existing ramps to improve performance. I hesitate to ask this question, but there has been a lack of discussion of what Greg's devices are actually doing, so here goes... If Greg is now giving the ball a gentle push from the top of the ramp, and the ball runs around for a while, and then gets stuck at the exit point, how is it that we are calling this behavior over unity? Are there any measurments of the energy put into the ball vs the rolling resistance and other (induced, etc.) losses? Without knowing the total energy in vs. energy out, we don't know if the thing is OU or not! Also, there is no output energy at all, its all used to keep the ball in motion for whatever duration has been acheived, so we have energy input (the placement of the ball at the top of the ramp, and also in the puh given to the ball) but no clear energy output at all. Add to this the fact that the ball does indeed stop, and its looking like SMOT Mk3 is clearly under unity. As long as I've opened this can of worms..... During the discussion of the earlier ramp designs, Greg insisted that moving the barrier that restrained the ball from running up the ramp did not add energy to the system. Is this still the accepted wisdom on this point? If a spring is under compression, can we release that compression (stored energy) without changing the energy of the system? Nope, it cannot be done. Is the barrier under compression from the force acting on the ball? Apparently so, or the ball would not be attracted to the ramp. So moving the barrier is the energy needed to release the compression of the spring, only the spring is the ball-barrier system in this case, and energy was stored in this system when the ball was placed, and restrained at the bottom of the ramp. Is there a problem in this line of reasoning? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 7 15:24:06 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id PAA14603; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 15:22:11 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 15:22:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708072222.PAA32299@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: "Free Energy" , Subject: Re: Another one-way device Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 12:25:42 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"wuKcM.0.4a3.Dgawp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4815 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > Fred > > > > Picture a magnetostrictive bar. There's a primary on one end and a > > secondary at the other. When power is pulsed into the primary it travels > > down the rod to the secondary where the power is absorbed by a load. > > Presumably a wave of back EMF travels back down the rod to the primary-- > > but when it gets there it doesn't cancel the original impulse but can > > itself be tapped for power. > > So called "cause-effect asymmetry". To break it, you'll change the > density of time in the area of its operation, since the time is the rate > of transformation from the cause into effect. I agree with you so far. The density of time can be > detected by any resistor, semiconductor, quartz ... since the properties > of matter is depend of it. Now my view is the exact opposite. The density of time depends ONLY on the properties of the materials. Once the time-density is created it can be shifted to another material body like your detector, possibly by entrainment. I suggest that when we talk about time being shifted from one body to another we are discussing the existence of "inertial fields", as created by rotating matter. > > Natural density of time is not stable, as N.Kozyrev demonstrated. There > are daily and seasonal oscillations. I agree-- another way of putting this is that the permittivity and permeability of free space are changing. The time constant of slower than light physical reality is oscillating "rapidly". In effect time is "on" and then its "off". The experiments of Piccardi, Saxl, Allais, TT Brown, Hodowanec, and others indicate the many cyclic cosmic forces that affect us. For all we know the earth is being stretched like taffy in some barely visible way. It is invisible to us because all of our instruments are stretched accordingly. The "keyhole" that may allow us to see these effects is the interaction of the electric field with time. Actually the mechanism is the change of the electromagnetic inertia with time. All just speculations...fun though... Fred > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 7 15:24:09 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id PAA06774; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 15:21:15 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 15:21:15 -0700 Message-Id: <199708072222.PAA25278@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: "Free Energy" , Subject: Re: Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 12:52:05 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"vdNUj3.0.lf1.Pfawp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4817 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > Stuart Rae wrote: > > > Hello Alexander, welcome back to the list! It's good to hear from you again > > So what then would be your opinion of the concept shared by Fred and myself > > that: > > Time is a clever illusion of matter, and might be best defined as: > > "The resistance of matter to energy". > > I'll try use only words of some physical sense. The time as physical > phenomenon is required for description of action. It can be motion of > matter, for example. But if the matter is not moving? It is existing or > moving in time, in 4th direction. > > Motion is the change of the position in the space. Time rate is the > ratio: dx/dt, where dx is distance between cause (previous position) and > effect (present position), and dt is the period between previous and > present moments. Very clear. > > If one create any motion, one create local time. Time arises from motion of a something that resists motion. > > You wrote about "resistance of matter to energy". Yes, if it means the > change of the energy, i.e. the action, for example, acceleration. The > curve-line acceleration lead to well-known centrifugal force, that is by > this concept the demonstration of local time. But this 2-dimensional > time can be detected as force in space. Time = inertia. Inertia is transmittable as a force across space. There is an Ahronohov-Bohm effect with inertial fields. The effects of the inertial field extend beyond the spinning object in the same manner as the magnetic field does in the standard A-B effect. > > Also any gyro can demonstrate the force that is 3-dimensional local time > result, since own rotation + prececcion = 2 dimensional trajectory. > Reaction will be created in 3rd dimension. or 3-dimensional inertia. > > The problem is to create VOLUMETRICAL time, or some reaction force along > the 4th axis of the space. By analogy, it is necessary to create the > action, the change, the motion in all three spatial directions. In this > otion in all three spatial directions. In this > Status: O > > case, the reaction or resistance you wrote will be created as the > 4th-directed force or the time (chronal force) that can be detected by > clock. I'm not sure that it is necessary to extend beyond the gyroscopic level to see time effects. The necessity is to have a system with a changing time or inertia. In fact, I think that an electrical circuit that put a lot of power through a rapidly varying inductance or capacitance would suffice to show local-neighborhood effects. Or you could use a rapidly accelerating and decelerating disc, if you like to use machinery. . By G.Veil, any action is 4th dimensional NUMBER only. I found > that natural elements of the matter are processes, but it is not a > "things", so they are described by real whole number of the 4th > curvature (reversed radius), for example, DNA molecule is action and > according to its real parameters the calculated curvature for it is > 14.0000. The Bohr atom curvature is 1.0025 (almost 1 or unit value). > Proton curvature: 132141.000. Planet Earth curvature: 151.00. > > If you wish, my old paper is attached. Sorry, wasn't able to decode the paper.. it sounds very interesting...can you give me the reference for Veil's work? Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 7 15:35:50 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id PAA14619; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 15:22:14 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 15:22:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708072222.PAA00898@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: SMOT Mk3 Magnetic Array Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 13:15:22 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Ema1a2.0.Ia3.Ggawp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4816 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Ken and all! > However when the little NNS motor was running at the same time as the TC - > well all hell was let loose. The NNS motor started accelerating and > eventually the magnets were flung straight off the mountings by CF. No big > deal in isolation - maybe they were ready to come off anyway. But why the > acceleration - why did they both come off together. The acceleration reminds me of some experiments that T. T. Bown did. He had anomalous accelerations on a few occasions when he was testing his capacitive thruster, well beyond his normal results which were not overunity. Suppose that electric fields have an effect on the time rate? I have 2 papers around here by a researcher named Hickman (sorry, not handy) who suggests that it's possible to change the time rate in a small area with ES fields. This also fits with what I hear from the "radiation-damping" researchers. Who wants to run some clocks, pendulums, or other oscillators near Tesla coils? Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 7 16:10:34 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id QAA18830; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 16:09:31 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 16:09:31 -0700 X-Sender: bailey@best.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 16:15:29 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: pgb@padrak.com (Patrick Bailey) Subject: Note: DAN DAVIDSON Resent-Message-ID: <"MfTXM1.0.3c4.fMbwp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4818 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: From: http://www.padrak.com/ufo/SCHED_1997_SS.html.html REVISIONS: Made Aug. 5, 1997 1997 SUMMER INTERNATIONAL UFO CONGRESS - SCHEDULE SCHEDULE OF EVENTS: SUNDAY - AUGUST 10 6:45 - 9:30 PM WILLIAM HENRY (C) - Author of "The Peacemaker" and "Keepers of Heaven's Gate". William is a student of all researchers into hidden human history. His presentation is both an over view of the subject, as well as insight into his own findings of "The Heralds". MONDAY - AUGUST 11 7:30 - 9:30 PM Film Screening: "Capital Crimes", Part 2 of 2. THURSDAY - AUGUST 14 11:00 AM - 12:30 PM PATRICK FLANAGAN (Canada) (C) - "The New Alchemy" and the" Neurophone". Decades long suppression of his neurophone and other inventions. 4:00 - 5:30 PM DAN DAVIDSON (C) - "Shape Power & The Great Pyramid Anti-Gravity Experiment". Dan describes his recent research on how shape converts the universal space energy into grosser forces such as gravity, electromagnetism, etc. See his anti-gravity experimental apparatus work ! FRIDAY - AUGUST 15 6:15 - 8:15 PM Dinner Break / Optional " Dinner with your Favorite Speaker" 8:15 - 9:30 PM TED LOMAN (C) - Producer of UFO-AZ will show footage of the Phoenix lights, and report on the astounding sightings from last March. SATURDAY - AUGUST 16 9:00 - 12:30 PM PHILIP CORSO AND BILL BURNS (C) - Co-authors of the newest and hottest book on the subject - "The Day After Roswell", they will delve into new details, and answer your questions about what all really went on in that desert 50 years ago. [As of Aug. 7, all the speakers listed above are confirmed! PB.] This schedule is subject to change, if necessary. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 7 16:26:13 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id QAA21267; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 16:22:53 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 16:22:53 -0700 X-Sender: bailey@best.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 16:27:32 -0800 To: iufo@world.std.com From: pgb@padrak.com (Patrick Bailey) Subject: Correct Int. UFO Congress Summer Seminars Web Site Cc: antigravity@primenet.com (Antigravity List), freenrg-l@eskimo.com Resent-Message-ID: <"ahAfI.0.CC5.CZbwp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4819 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: http://www.padrak.com/ufo/SCHED_1997_SS.html (had ".html.html) (sorry.) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 7 16:28:16 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id QAA22530; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 16:27:48 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 16:27:48 -0700 Message-Id: <199708072329.QAA11586@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: Strange motor behavior (was Re: SMOT Mk3 Magnetic Array) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 16:15:02 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"0vhV63.0.xV5.pdbwp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4820 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Jack and all! > I was living in Florida at the time (1988-89) and kept this motor > running on a table in the bedroom. The speed of it's oscillation > remained constant for several weeks. One morning I noticed the > motor's action had become violent...the pendulum banging against > the stops. The interesting thing about your and Ken's story is the INCREASE in the energy of the system. I can imagine all sorts of environmental things that would slow a motor down, but increase it? Thats wierd. Even a new source of energy coming in could just as easliy work against the operation of the clock as for it. > > This behavior lasted most of the week, the speed of the motor was > erratic. It would run normally for a while, then the amplitude of > the oscillations would slowly increase until it begun hitting the > limits of it's travel. So an environmental factor that changes periodically, adds energy to the system, affects locally (because otherwise you wouldn't be able to witness it being part of the altered system), and is probably associated with a big electric field... Hm.. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 7 17:14:10 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id RAA32489; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 17:12:59 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 17:12:59 -0700 Message-ID: <33EA7DA8.1268@keelynet.com> Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 19:00:08 -0700 From: Jerry Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Note: DAN DAVIDSON References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Umc5i1.0.Yx7.9Icwp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4821 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Patrick! Yes, we had been working to make this happen (get Dan on the program)....Dan will report on the details of how this energy bubble in pyramid structures can be switched on and off using a 51cps acoustic signal. That was the main reason for our trip to Egypt with Joe Parr, to switch Cheops on and off sending the signal PI down a corridor that was open for a 12 hour period on May 29th. We had to use Khephren instead and our equipment was stolen within about 1 hour of the start of the experiment....that is all being worked up in a report on KeelyNet and I will be including pictures of the vacuum tube heiroglyphs we got to photograph in the underground crypt at Dendera, as well as a few other interesting points. This bubble becomes opaque to most all energies and if left engaged will cause it and anything attached (or inside) to 'loft', i.e. lose weight when it tries to shoot down the corridor that is open between the pyramid structure and its resonant partner in space. Turns out our sun resonates with other systems which produces these corridors of energy. As the earth orbits the sun, we cross these corridors at certain times of the year (Halloween, Easter, Christmas, most of the 'pagan' holidays). Using pyramid these pyramid bubbles, you can couple to the corridor energy flow and quite possibly carry out an energy transfer as in 'Stargate'. Joe told me at JFK, before we rendesvouzed with Dan that he had been warned by some professor at Cambridge to drop this line of research and don't even consider any trip to Egypt to experiment with it. At the time I just thought it was fluff, but when the equipment was stolen, ever the Egyptian guards were spooked, 11:30PM at night, dark everywhere with desert and pyramid, who would sneak in, pick up a handful of equipment which was basically a woofer speaker driven by a sealed box powered by batteries, and run across the desert with this thing going THWUMP, THWUMP very loudly. The Egyptians said it would not have been an arab because they were already spooked from pyramid mysteries plus the fear of possible bombs. If an arab saw it, they would call police for fear of it being a bomb. Though the Gizeh guards and our Egyptian contacts claim 'the Gods came down and took the equipment', we came to the conclusion it was more probably a fellow we met from Chicago who had an INORDINATE interest in our project, though we gave scant details. We think it was taken by him since he flow back to the states about 1AM that same night. Kind of useless having a speaker and an oscillator if you don't understand how it was used or how to measure the effect. Very disheartening. Plus the spare unit was damaged in flight, so we just packed up and went back to the hotel about 2AM after searching the Gizeh plateau with numerous guards and our Egyptian guides. Everyone was very puzzled by this mysterious turn of events and though it opened up numerous conspiracy scenarios, we refrained from engaging in them, preferring to take the more rational approach that someone simply stole the equipment. Probably said more than I should, but it's high time we get the report done. -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://www.keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / KeelyNet BBS (214) 324-3501 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite, Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 7 17:35:13 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id RAA03425; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 17:34:17 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 17:34:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: 07 Aug 1997 23:14:00 +0200 From: freenrg_list@sigma.sax.de (Andreas Hecht) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Message-ID: <6bOusjUuL$B@sigma.sax.de> In-Reply-To: <199708041626.JAA08081@mail1.halcyon.com> Subject: Re: Zinsser: kinetobaric effect? X-Mailer: CrossPoint v3.11 R/B9504 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Organization: private site in germany; member of Individual Network e.V. Resent-Message-ID: <"eyxdK2.0.Pr.6ccwp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4822 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Fred, as you wrote: > I have a couple of papers about this effect I will send you, > but it may be a little while, because I have a backlog. Thanks, this would be great! IMHO there's a possible connection between the Zinsser phenomena and the railgun effect (Graneau). regards, Andreas -- ahecht@sigma.sax.de Andreas Hecht Moritzburger Str. 41 +49-(0)3523 63537 voice/fax/(data) D-01640 Coswig ************************************************************************ Visit the _Borderlands of Science_! http://www.sax.de/~stalker/borderland/ (Sorry, german only at this time - english version under construction!) ************************************************************************ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 7 17:56:27 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id RAA06191; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 17:55:24 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 17:55:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33EA7C06.12EA@sunherald.infi.net> Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 18:53:57 -0700 From: kyle Reply-To: stk@sunherald.infi.net Organization: InfiNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: GRC coil Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"A-sy3.0.cW1.vvcwp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4823 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi All: The Gravity Resonance Coil seems to work on the same principle as a DST. Maybe they are related? Kyle Mcallister What supplies will I need to build a 120VAC to 50VDC 10A 50KV isolated transformer? I already know of: -2 U shaped cores (iron?) -sheet insulation (thickness?) -wire (what gauge, how much?) -coil lamination (what and where do I get it) Kyle Mcallister From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 7 19:28:15 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id TAA04722; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 19:26:02 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 19:26:02 -0700 From: openway@nor.com.au Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 12:25:50 +1000 Message-Id: <199708080225.MAA06555@nornet.nor.com.au> X-Sender: openway@pophost.nor.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Time rate and extra power Resent-Message-ID: <"LoHCW2.0.e91.vEewp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4824 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >True, but my hunch is that either changes in the reactance of circuits, or >changes in the rate of spin of massive discs are the ways to get to these >effects easily. > How about the effects of spatial (field) distortion upon virtual particles? >You've expressed this idea before and I understood that you were saying the >source of spin orientation was the gravity field of earth. Is that still >your idea? > I believe gravity is a function of rotation. I was referring to the whole field. >Also-- My understanding is that "Berry's phase" says if you move for >instance an angular momentum vector once around a circuit it comes out 90 >degrees away from its original position, contrary to expectations. What >does this mean for all the oriented spin vectors on the surface of the >earth that are taken around by earth's rotation? > They would tend to be the same at any given point on the earth's surface, and thus within any single device. >This is very interesting but I'm not sure what you mean...are you talking >about curves of least effort like soap bubbles and cells? Designed to >minimize internal energy and increase stability? > Electrons migrate to the outside of a curved surface, thereby creating a zero or scalar field which constitutes a reciprocal force. Peter Nielsen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 7 20:49:57 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id UAA14257; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 20:49:28 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 20:49:28 -0700 Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 23:45:50 -0400 (EDT) From: John Schnurer To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com cc: John Schnurer Subject: VARIAC.... DANGER!!!! Re: Discussion Power Supplies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"dUiK33.0.gU3.6Tfwp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4825 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Thu, 7 Aug 1997, ralph muha wrote: > > >0-120VAC Variac(variable autotransformer), (where can I get this?) > > Variacs are pretty common pieces of gear. They're used to isolate > equipment from the power mains and to test the behavior of ac powered > gear under different voltages (eg, to simulate brownouts). Woa! Stop the car!!!! A variac is an Autotransformer ..... it DOES NOT isolate!!! From IBEW: Be dead certain or you may be certainly dead. One of an electrician's main warnings. > > my Mouser (1-800-346-6873) catalog shows a variety of models, > prices vary with output current. The cheapest is 1.75A for $57 > but you would probably need at least 3A ($68) @120V to produce > to produce 10A @48V. The next size is 5A for $106. > > >There are 2 coils (A and B) > > > >Connect one lead of coil A to one 50VDC power supply, coil B to the > >other. Connect other lead of Coil A to 25-100KVDC power supply, other > >lead of coil B to other terminal on 25-100KVDC power supply. > > actually, it says to connect both leads of coil A to one of the 50V > supplies, and both leads of coil B to the other 50V supply. Then use > the HV supply to create a potential difference between the coils > by attaching the leads from the HV supply to one lead of each coil. > > the variacs are then used to 'modulate' the coils... > > I've always thought that this experiment would be more interesting > using pulsed DC to drive the coils... > > r You folks ought to crack the books and get the safety factor up here. DC at 50 volts and even a few milliamps can kill. Combine this with a high voltage source to setablish path and it can get real bad, real fast. It is common for such systems to give no warning and no second chance. > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 7 23:39:01 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id XAA04794; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 23:38:34 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 23:38:34 -0700 Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 23:38:23 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: freenrg digest ok? In-Reply-To: <199708072124.AA13807@world.std.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"4mkAX.0.pA1.fxhwp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4826 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Thu, 7 Aug 1997, Jim Uban wrote: > Hi Bill, > I haven't received a freenrg-list digest > since 7/21. Is it still functioning ok? I sent > in another SUBSCRIBE today, but no response to > that yet either. Thanks, Jim I just got the word, half the digests on eskimo.com are down. Staff has been searching for the bug for several days. I'll keep you posted. .....................uuuu / oo \ uuuu........,............................. William Beaty voice:206-781-3320 bbs:206-789-0775 cserv:71241,3623 EE/Programmer/Science exhibit designer http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/ Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com SCIENCE HOBBYIST web page From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 8 02:25:28 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id CAA20308; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 02:24:58 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 02:24:58 -0700 Message-ID: <33EA3A60.2D2D@mail.dux.ru> Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 01:13:04 +0400 From: "Alexander V. Frolov" Reply-To: frolov@mail.dux.ru Organization: Home Lab X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: SMOT Mk3 Magnetic Array References: <199708072222.PAA00898@mail1.halcyon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"z1StP.0.Dz4.fNkwp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4827 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Fred wrote: > Suppose that electric fields have an effect on the time rate? I have 2 > papers around here by a researcher named Hickman (sorry, not handy) who > suggests that it's possible to change the time rate in a small area with ES > fields. This also fits with what I hear from the "radiation-damping" > researchers. > Who wants to run some clocks, pendulums, or other oscillators near Tesla > coils? Please, make Faraday's screen around of the clock to eliminate electrical field itself. Alexander From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 8 03:13:45 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id DAA26955; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 03:13:20 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 03:13:20 -0700 Message-ID: <33EAEFD0.3FAEC0A9@microtronics.com.au> Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 19:37:12 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com CC: List Server Freenrg Subject: Re: More SMOT improvements? X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <33EA8096.7B48@math.ucla.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"9Oqx43.0.0b6._4lwp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4828 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Barry Merriman wrote: > > Rick Monteverde wrote: > > > > I haven't seen anything at all yet in terms of evidence of overunity. > > meanwhile, you are [working on the next] great improvement ... You seem to be ignoring several rollaways and 1 rollaround reported by others. > Rick is right on the money, here. How could it be that ~ 3 months > ago you had a simple racetrack device functioning, but still no > version of this has been sent to any of the groups offering to > test it in more detail? What happened to the original SMOT??? I take it that you haven't been following the SMOT thread to closely. The original SMOT Mk1 design was VERY difficult to adjust. Even now simple "Climb and Drops" took a LOT of time to achieve. Some could not even get this to happen. The SMOT Mk2 overcame most of the adjustment problems and "Climb and Drops" became a reality for most duplicators. The final stage of the SMOT Mk2 Beta 3 with the magnet arrays lifted 3mm allowed several duplicators to achieve level "Rollaways". With all the mods to the SMOT Mk2 Beta 3 design, "Rollaways" moved to the same level of difficulty as "Climb and Drops" were with the SMOT Mk1 design. Achievable but not easy. The building of the SMOT Mk2 Beta 3 kits has taken much more time than I had projected. I have seen a wider variation in performance than I would have believed was possible. The SMOT Mk2 Beta kits can do "Rollaways" but changing the magnet array or ball changes things. Seems the SMOT Mk2 ramps have to be tuned to the magnet array and ball used. The variations were driving me nuts, and as to the results others would achieve?????? Barry, the SMOT is still not very stable as any duplicator can tell you. The effect is real and can be made to work, but a LOT of time and fiddling is needed. I did not want to ship SMOT jello kits or include black witches hats. The first 10 kits will ship on Monday 11th Aug, 1997. They are the Beta 3 design with the magnet arrays lifted 3mm. This REALLY helps and should be tried by ALL the smoters. > This is why I offered to purchase a functioning unit from you, > but made no effort to replicate from your posted plans---I clearly > made the right decision, as I avoided wasting at lot of time > diddling around (educational though it may be). I could not, at that time, ship you a stable unit, so why reply to your $200 offer? > Instead of making updates and improvements, why can't > you simply ship out a couple replicas of the orginal SMOT? The updates and improvements are creating a more solid, stable SMOT. Do you suggest I should STOP improving the design???????? The SMOT Mk2 is a improvement over the SMOT Mk1 and the SMOT Mk3 magnet array design is a improvement over the SMOT Mk2 design. > Is construction that difficult, or does it not really work as well you > initially thought. As I said before, I didn't want to ship Jello Smots. What "I" can achieve and what others can achieve can be very different. I have NEVER said that the SMOT is stable, far from it. > -- > Barry Merriman Hi Barry, Hope you find the above helpful. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Phone / PC Fax ...... 61 8 8270 2737 E-mail .............. gwatson@microtronics.com.au Home Page ........... Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 8 03:54:21 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id DAA29609; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 03:53:26 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 03:53:26 -0700 X-Sender: "Unverified" X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: bshannon@tiac.net From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Re: SMOT Mk3 Magnetic Array Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 12:56:56 MET Message-Id: <19970808125656.139c6717.in@pop3.vossnet.de> Resent-Message-ID: <"Y_TzS.0.YE7.bglwp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4829 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >Greg Watson wrote: >>=20 >> Hi All, >>=20 >> More info on the SMOT Mk3 magnetic array is now available. >>=20 >> The design is very new and should be reviewed by ALL those interested in >> the SMOT. >>=20 >> The new design can be used with existing ramps to improve performance. > >I hesitate to ask this question, but there has been a lack of discussion >of what Greg's devices are actually doing, so here goes... > >If Greg is now giving the ball a gentle push from the top of the ramp, >and the ball runs around for a while, and then gets stuck at the exit >point, how is it that we are calling this behavior over unity? > >Are there any measurments of the energy put into the ball vs the rolling >resistance and other (induced, etc.) losses? Without knowing the total >energy in vs. energy out, we don't know if the thing is OU or not! =20 > >Also, there is no output energy at all, its all used to keep the ball in >motion for whatever duration has been acheived, so we have energy input >(the placement of the ball at the top of the ramp, and also in the puh >given to the ball) but no clear energy output at all. Add to this the >fact that the ball does indeed stop, and its looking like SMOT Mk3 is >clearly under unity. > >As long as I've opened this can of worms..... > >During the discussion of the earlier ramp designs, Greg insisted that >moving the barrier that restrained the ball from running up the ramp did >not add energy to the system. Is this still the accepted wisdom on this >point? > >If a spring is under compression, can we release that compression >(stored energy) without changing the energy of the system? Nope, it >cannot be done. Is the barrier under compression from the force acting >on the ball? Apparently so, or the ball would not be attracted to the >ramp. So moving the barrier is the energy needed to release the >compression of the spring, only the spring is the ball-barrier system in >this case, and energy was stored in this system when the ball was >placed, and restrained at the bottom of the ramp. > >Is there a problem in this line of reasoning? > > > I bet, you did understand that wrong. Rolling around for more than a few seconds and Greg=B4s unit has rolled= arounmd for several minutes requires much more energy than just raising the ball 2= cms and let it go... There is much more friction rolling energy to overcome during a time span of 4 minutes or so than you put into the system by lifting it 2 cms and thus putting this little W=3Dmgh potential energy= into the system. Also the cause that the steel ball gets stuck is not a slowing down of the movement, but an acceleration, so it gets too fast and jumps out off the track ! So to let it run indefinately you will have to use a soft braking effect, maybe with a soft brush or so to slow the ball down and keep it at constant speed ! Do you agree ? Regards, Stefan. > -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 8 03:56:28 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id DAA30188; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 03:56:09 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 03:56:09 -0700 Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19970808105811.3e4ff2de@home.inetnow.com> X-Sender: hargraves@home.inetnow.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 05:58:11 -0500 To: SMOT From: hargraves Subject: smot / ordered / Gregg Watson Resent-Message-ID: <"A9GTo3.0.bN7.8jlwp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4830 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 23:22:23 -0500 >To: gwatson@microtronic.com.au >From: hargraves >Subject: smot / ordered > >Dear >Gregg Watson: >Hi!!! >I am fighting a virus, >Thus, I am not sure if you will get this E- Mail or not. >However, If you do Please let me know. >hope-fully, I will get my E-mail for the next couple of days. >In any case, I just wanted you to know that >August 4th, 1997 >I, issued an International Draft, CB 44395 >I did this at the Liberty Bank & Trust Company of Oklahoma City. >It will be drawn on the ANZ Bank in Melbourne Victoria 3000, Australia. >in the International Division. > >I mailed it that same day, first Class. >I put the Check in an insulated manila envelope, with out >a note indicating my request, >I was in a hurry and just did not think of it. >& perhaps I just thought you would know what it was and >what it was for. >the only address that I left was on the envelope. >so I just wanted to send it to you now in case the >envelope got separated from the check > > > > Randy Elston Hargraves > 966 Castlebury Mansion > Yukon, Oklahoma, USA > 73099 >I was requesting the SMOT mk II >and with the circular one two follow >It might be called Smot mk III >with a singular cirular ramp > >Boy am i excited. > >Do you have any Idea when the first one will be sent > >& > >Do you have any Idea as to when the second one, ( or ) smot mk 3 will >be sent.????!!!!!!!!!! > > > >Thanks >Servant Randy Elston Hargraves >of the Yukon, > >Oklahoma. that is. >================================ > Gregg this email was sent directly to you however it bonced back as undeliverable. thus this is through the list ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ it sounds as though you are under a lot of presure from other would - be SMOTers. as excited as i am & anxious. feel free to take your time with me there is no hurry. send mine last. however I still hope two get both the beta 2 & beta 3 or mk2 &mk3 what ever the one single track >that goes arround. > Greg wrote. > > > >Hi Randy, > >Strong magnets are NOT necessary for the SMOT. In fact, they cause a >lot of problems. Go with weak grade 5 ceramics (Fridge magnets). Check >out the SMOT results data base on my web site for the suppliers some >others have used. > >The SMOT Mk3 (single circular ramp) will be shipped to all who order >SMOT Mk2 kits. When I get the Mk3 working well and figure out how to >reduce the size somewhat, I will start shipping SMOT Mk3 and stop >shipping SMOT Mk2. > >The SMOT Mk3 kits will do multi pass rollarounds! > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 8 05:29:00 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id FAA03638; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 05:27:17 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 05:27:17 -0700 (PDT) From: FLORESI1@westatpo.westat.com Date: Fri, 08 Aug 97 08:22:40 EDT Encoding: 22 Text Message-Id: <9707088710.AA871053939@westatpo.westat.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: multy-tranz Resent-Message-ID: <"sGFgX.0.ju.X2nwp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4831 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: In current issue of Telsa (the magazine published by the International Telsa Society) there is an article by Brain David Andersen named "Healing, fast Pain Relief & recovery from injuries with sound, water, and Multy-Tranz and new formations for the table of the chemical elements". In the article he mentions a device Multy-tranz, with some intriguing properties. However, after reading the article I wasn't able to find the address of the company or any way to contact them to obtain more information about it. I decided to called the ITS to ask them if this product was in the catalog. They mentioned that the don't have it and they don't have any information about how to get one. I thought that was strange because they published the article in the first place. Anyway, I was wondering if anybody know a little bit more about this gadget and is willing to share information of experiences. Thank you I. Flores floresi1@westat.com PS. Pelase don't add this addres to junk e-mail lists. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 8 05:52:53 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id FAA06064; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 05:52:00 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 05:52:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: rmuha@mail Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970807064408.00742aac@palacenet.net> References: <2.2.16.19970807150214.230f938c@pop.ihug.co.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 08:50:31 -0400 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: ralph muha Subject: Re: Strange motor behavior (was Re: SMOT Mk3 Magnetic Array) Resent-Message-ID: <"Ni3qf1.0.cU1.jPnwp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4832 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >[...] => >I salvaged the motor from a small battery powered analog clock. It >employed a magnetic pendulum, kicked by a coil that was connected >through an npn transistor to 2 AA batteries. I kept it because I >liked the design, the coil serving as both position sensor of the >pendulum, and as the electromagnet that provided the pulse which kept >the pendulum moving. > >I was living in Florida at the time (1988-89) and kept this motor >running on a table in the bedroom. The speed of it's oscillation >remained constant for several weeks. One morning I noticed the >motor's action had become violent...the pendulum banging against >the stops. > >[...] > >I allowed the motor to run for the next, oh, maybe six months, >until the batteries ran down, without noticing any unusual behavior. >Then I tossed it in a box when the moving crew arrived, and >haven't seen it since. > >Another one of those 'things that makes you wanna go Hmmm...' > I have a clock with a mechanism that sounds very similar. It's encased in a translucent plastic box, powered by a single AA cell. I can see a coil inside. Occasionally, it seems to get stuck, the second hand just jerks a bit but doesn't actually advance. Sometimes it does this for several days. Then it mysteriously starts moving again. I've never bothered keeping track of its behavior... r From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 8 06:19:15 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id GAA14319; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 06:18:49 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 06:18:49 -0700 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 21:24:07 -0600 (MDT) From: "John R. Tooker" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Gravity Resonance Coil In-Reply-To: <199708060407.XAA08808@csrlink.net> Message-Id: Organization: Calgary Free-Net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"0EF2-3.0.dV3.uonwp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4833 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Tue, 5 Aug 1997, Jim Shaffer, Jr. wrote: > > I haven't heard of anyone building one, but someone once mentioned to > me that there were rumors of Jack Parsons working on something similar > shortly before he died. I haven't heard anything more about this. I've been working on improving the design some, and I plan on building a coil wiyh my improvements within the next few months, finances permitting. Some of the improvements include a slightly better coil design, a circuit that uses a battery instead of line current, and liquid nitrogen coolong, to produce a better field with a smaller coil. Regards, John From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 8 06:27:39 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id GAA09141; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 06:26:25 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 06:26:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: rmuha@mail Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970807064408.00742aac@palacenet.net> References: <2.2.16.19970807150214.230f938c@pop.ihug.co.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 09:25:05 -0400 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: ralph muha Subject: interesting coil anecdote (was Re: Strange motor behavior) Resent-Message-ID: <"54ljm1.0.iE2.-vnwp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4834 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Jack DeMule wrote: > >Another one of those 'things that makes you wanna go Hmmm...' > Here's my 'hmmmm....' story, which I was reminded of by the discussions of the Barkhausen battery... I heard this several years ago from a gentleman who builds guitar pickups. His design uses dual coils in a concentric configuration: there is a hi-Z coil wound around a magnetic core with a lo-Z coil wound around that. The pickup output comes from the hi-Z coil; the lo-Z coil is shunted by a series RC circuit that shapes the tone of the pickup. You can move continuously from a thin single-coil sound to that of a fat dual-coil humbucker. Anyway, he told me that one of his prototypes displayed an undesirable resonance; it would produce a large voltage spike when a certain note was played. He had discovered this behavior the hard way: it blew up every capacitor in his amplifier. He (laughingly) described it as a small Tesla coil. 1) Has anyone heard of Tesla coils being driven in this fashion, with the primary being excited by mechanical vibration in a magentic field? 2) Since the Barkhausen 'battery' has a coil that is resonating with something, perhaps a second coil could be used to magnify its output? r From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 8 06:29:06 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id GAA09400; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 06:28:35 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 06:28:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33EB1D50.1164227B@microtronics.com.au> Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 22:51:20 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: smot / ordered / Gregg Watson X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <1.5.4.16.19970808105811.3e4ff2de@home.inetnow.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"0UEfR1.0.mI2._xnwp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4835 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: hargraves wrote: > > >Do you have any Idea when the first one will be sent I will start posting the first 10 SMOT Mk2 Beta 3 kits on Monday. > >Do you have any Idea as to when the second one, ( or ) smot mk 3 > will be sent.????!!!!!!!!!! I am currently working with my second SMOT Mk3 circular ramp and the new magnetic array to get SOLID operation. When I feel it is solid and will work without adjustments or black witches hats, I will advise all and start shipping the promised SMOT Mk3 units. > >Thanks > >Servant Randy Elston Hargraves Hi Randy, I will confirm receipt of your post when it arrives. > it sounds as though you are under a lot of presure > from other would - be SMOTers. Quick Igor, raise the lighting rod, the ignorant villagers want blood. I must breath live into the Monster. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Phone / PC Fax ...... 61 8 8270 2737 E-mail .............. gwatson@microtronics.com.au Home Page ........... Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 8 06:39:24 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id GAA10400; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 06:38:47 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 06:38:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19970808133946.29d7d924@home.inetnow.com> X-Sender: hargraves@home.inetnow.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 08:39:46 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: hargraves Subject: Re: SMOT Mk3 Magnetic Array / overunity?? Resent-Message-ID: <"NDr601.0.PY2.b5owp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4836 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I believe that "Y_TzS.OYE7.bglwp"@mxl Wrote: >>, so we have energy input >>(the placement of the ball at the top of the ramp, and also in the puh >>given to the ball) but no clear energy output at all. Add to this the >>fact that the ball does indeed stop, Randy H. The Ball does not just roll to a stop on the device. as it is thrown off of the device. this energy, that was cumilated, so as, to throw the ball off was not deriverd from its release. "Y_TzS.OYE7.bglwp"@mxl >> Also, there is no output energy at all, its all used to keep the ball in >>motion for whatever duration has been acheived Randy H. Mr. "Y_TzS.OYE7.bglwp"@mxl, has a good point, about Smot, not having any output. My God!!!!! What kind of name is that????, "Y_TzS.OYE7.bglwp"@mxl People will think that you are associated with some kind of Government agentcy out to spy, and spread mis-information or propaganda or what ever it is that they call it now days. in any case a real name will go along ways towards leanding crediblility to what you say For the purpose of this E-mail I call you George. Yea! you work on that name and I'll work on learning who to spell and I'll take a typing course. ======== any way back to the subject at hand. That was a very good point, and one that SMOTers and WOULD-BE-SMOTers a like should work on. one direction in which is might be acomplished is to lay a wire along the bottom of the track, I realize that the copper wire will be just sitting in an EM field will out movement.and with out the movement of the magnets. but the ownly thing that needs to move is the magnetic field. not much energy needs to be put out of our out put. i have no problems with rails, brushes or a twisting part of the track to counter act the inercia. however, it seems to defeat our goal when the idea of increasing the load or out put could be could be used. one area might be more wires. another area might tube with a coil arroud it The bearing is not a magnet. but it is while it is under the influience of EM Field. THUS, IS CAUSING DISTROTIONS IN THE EM FIELD. for those of you who have projects associated with, the the faraday homopole experiments. Chang you goal just a little. Strive to produce your energy with out moving the magnet or the conducter as the EM field IS ALL THAT IS NEEDED TO SHIFT. IF BY chance you know that i am talking to you..... E-mail me directly BUt uses my name HARGRAVES IN THE SUBJECT OR I'LL NEVER GET TO IT. if we have a toy or any device that is capable of producing energy & we don't have a load on it so as to do that. it does not mean that it is not capable. any more that when i don't have a load on my offically recognized, and goverment appoved gas Generator. and remember that SMOT is a toy . for the best part of mans existance we did not have functional airplane for human transportation. but that did not prove that it was impossible. even though many authories may have thought so. One of thingsThat i hear frequeintly is that "their is no free ride." However, every one of my ancesters got a free ride all the way to their death and after. not a single one of them or my self have done a thing to give this Earth the energy to make it arround the sun. and I expect continue this free ridefor sometime. even the electrons in the atoms of my body have continued to spin. even though I may Die, and my body breaks down to its compont parts. H2O, CO2, and all the verrious trace elements. those electons will continue to circle. with out my having to refuel them. & with out my offspring refueling them. and for those that fail to continue on the long term what are we talking about, woops. a sea of free non attached electrons? Plazma or ether? woops that sounds like suport for the overunity researchers. Randy Hargraves PS, thanks to Stefan Hartmann for your thoughts as will. >Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 8 06:50:48 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id GAA19838; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 06:50:26 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 06:50:26 -0700 Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 08:48:53 -0500 (CDT) From: Zack Widup Subject: Re: SMOT Mk3 Magnetic Array / overunity?? To: hargraves cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.16.19970808133946.29d7d924@home.inetnow.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"hvzY01.0.tr4.WGowp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4837 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Fri, 8 Aug 1997, hargraves wrote: > I believe that > "Y_TzS.OYE7.bglwp"@mxl > Wrote: > > > Randy H. > Mr. "Y_TzS.OYE7.bglwp"@mxl, has a good point, > about Smot, not having any output. > > My God!!!!! What kind of name is that????, "Y_TzS.OYE7.bglwp"@mxl > People will think that you are associated with some kind of > Government agentcy out to spy, and spread mis-information > or propaganda or what ever it is that they call it now days. > in any case a real name will go along ways towards leanding > crediblility to what you say > For the purpose of this E-mail I call you George. > > Yea! you work on that name and I'll work on learning > who to spell and I'll take a typing course. > I believe it is Mr. Mxyzptlk's uncle. :-) Have a good day! Zack From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 8 07:18:46 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id HAA24935; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 07:18:07 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 07:18:07 -0700 From: bpaddock@csonline.net (Bob Paddock) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: multy-tranz Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 10:08:56 -0400 Organization: is mostly via piles Reply-To: bpaddock@csonline.net Message-ID: <4hy6zUQy8sFE092yn@csonline.net> References: <9707088710.AA871053939@westatpo.westat.com> In-Reply-To: <9707088710.AA871053939@westatpo.westat.com> Lines: 29 Resent-Message-ID: <"C3gGz1.0.P56.Ugowp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4838 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > In current issue of Telsa (the magazine published by the International > Telsa Society) there is an article by Brain David Andersen named > "Healing, fast Pain Relief & recovery from injuries with sound, water, > and Multy-Tranz and new formations for the table of the chemical > elements". >From a related piece of E-Mail I got: Please check out web site at www.quantumdisk.com for my latest invention that provides fast pain relief and more.... > However, after reading the article I wasn't > able to find the address of the company or any way to contact them to > obtain more information about it. If the above doesn't work which should be current try this address from a year or so ago: MTRANZ@aol.com. Before trying any thing health related make sure your understand well A) What It Does, B) How It Does it, C) Why you want to do it, D) Side effects; some side effects may include death as a minor complication. -- For information on any of the following check out my WEB site at: http://www.usachoice.net/bpaddock Chemical Free Air Conditioning/No CFC's, Chronic Pain Relief, Electromedicine, Electronics, Explore!, Free Energy, Full Disclosure, KeelyNet, Matric Limited, Neurophone, Oil City PA, Philadelphia Experiment. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 8 07:24:13 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id HAA25968; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 07:23:48 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 07:23:48 -0700 X-Sender: josephnewman@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 09:27:37 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: Friday's Follies Resent-Message-ID: <"RroX61.0.fL6.plowp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4839 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: THE SEX LIFE OF THE ELECTRON by D.C. Current One night when his charge was pretty high, Micro-Farad decided to seek a cute little coil to let him discharge. He picked up Millie-Amp and took her for a ride on his Megacycle. They rode across the Wheatstone Bridge, around the sine waves and stopped in the magnetic field by a flowing current. Micro-Farad, attracted by Millie-Amps characteristic curves, soon had her fully charged and excited her resistance to a minimum. He laid her on the ground potential, raised her frequency and lowered her reluctance. He pulled out his high voltage probe and inserted it in her socket connecting them in parallel, and began short circuiting her resistance shunt. Fully excited, Millie-Amp mumbled, "OHM - OHM - OHM - OHM". With his tube operating at a maximum and her field vibrating with his current flow, he caused her shunt to overheat and Micro-Farad was rapidly discharged and drained of every electron. They fluxed all night, trying various connections and sockets, until his magnet had a soft core and lost all of it's field strength. Afterwards, Millie-Amp tried self induction and damaged her solenoids. With his battery fully discharged, Micro-Farad was unable to excite his field, so they spent the rest of the night reversing polarity and blowing each other's fuses. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 8 07:49:22 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id HAA20836; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 07:47:21 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 07:47:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33EB2AB9.5484780B@microtronics.com.au> Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 23:48:33 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List Server Freenrg CC: List Server Vortex Subject: Re: SMOT Mk3 Magnetic Array X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <33E972AF.FF951B94@microtronics.com.au> <33EA69A0.5F17@tiac.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"jw1-i.0.M55.m5pwp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4840 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Bob Shannon wrote: > > If Greg is now giving the ball a gentle push from the top of the ramp, > and the ball runs around for a while, and then gets stuck at the exit > point, how is it that we are calling this behavior over unity? Have you looked at the plans, Bob? If I remove the magnetic arrays and drop the ball, I am lucky to get more than 30% around the unit. The ball rolling on a curved track really chews up the energy. > Are there any measurments of the energy put into the ball vs the rolling > resistance and other (induced, etc.) losses? Without knowing the total > energy in vs. energy out, we don't know if the thing is OU or not! I say again, look at the plans and then tell me that to get the ball back to the top of the ramp is not OU. > Also, there is no output energy at all, its all used to keep the ball in > motion for whatever duration has been acheived, so we have energy input > (the placement of the ball at the top of the ramp, and also in the puh > given to the ball) but no clear energy output at all. Add to this the > fact that the ball does indeed stop, and its looking like SMOT Mk3 is > clearly under unity. The SMOT Mk3 circular ramp is a TOY. It was NOT designed to provide output energy. It has two goals. 1) Closed Loop Operation. 2) No adjustments. > As long as I've opened this can of worms..... > > During the discussion of the earlier ramp designs, Greg insisted that > moving the barrier that restrained the ball from running up the ramp did > not add energy to the system. Is this still the accepted wisdom on this > point? I can't remember saying that. I never have used a restraint. That's Jean-Louis. I always place the ball at a point where magnetic attraction is less than friction and I then give the ball a very gentle nudge. As far as I am aware, most duplicators use my method to start the ball moving. > If a spring is under compression, can we release that compression > (stored energy) without changing the energy of the system? Nope, it > cannot be done. Is the barrier under compression from the force acting > on the ball? Apparently so, or the ball would not be attracted to the > ramp. So moving the barrier is the energy needed to release the > compression of the spring, only the spring is the ball-barrier system in > this case, and energy was stored in this system when the ball was > placed, and restrained at the bottom of the ramp. Read my above reply. > Is there a problem in this line of reasoning? Yes, it is incorrect. It is NOT what happens. Hi Bob, Bob, please build a SMOT Mk2 ramp. Its simple, quick and will give you more information than I can give you in a dozen e-mails. There is NO compressed spring action going on here. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Phone / PC Fax ...... 61 8 8270 2737 E-mail .............. gwatson@microtronics.com.au Home Page ........... Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 8 08:12:06 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id IAA01875; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 08:10:58 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 08:10:58 -0700 Message-ID: <33EB3595.96B42D7D@microtronics.com.au> Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 00:34:53 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com, List Server Freenrg Subject: Re: More SMOT improvements? X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <33EA8096.7B48@math.ucla.edu> <33EAEFD0.3FAEC0A9@microtronics.com.au> <9708080940.ZM7802@me525.ecg.csg.mot.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"gYkr01.0.CT.1Spwp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4841 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: John Steck wrote: > > On Aug 8, 5:08am, Greg Watson wrote: > > > The updates and improvements are creating a more solid, stable SMOT. > Do you suggest I should STOP improving the design???????? > > Greg, I think many are confusing your continued development with the Goddard > approach. What you are going through, in my experience, is a normal product > development cycle, so I wouldn't sweat the critiques (with no offense intended > to any of the critics). I don't. I to live in a perpetual development cycle. Its what I do for a living. > IMHO, I think you just opened the door to the public too early. I underestimated the variations in the SMOT performance. > Many of us assumed your original discovery was in a robust state > when you announced it's existence. So did I, but the thing is touchy. Ask any Smotter. I was driven to produce mass duplication of "Rollaways" and "Closed Loops". Seems every failure has 10 times the weight of every success. Must have been a sale on Blinkers or an outbreak of tunnel vision. I believe many others have achieved "Rollaways" but will not report their results for fear of being shouted down or having their results doubted or worst. > Given the volume of subsequent posts and > discussions on finite adjustments and construction details, I am not certain > how anyone could come to the conclusion right now that the SMOT effect is > anything but still extremely experimental. Exactly. > Speaking as someone perpetually in > development cycles, I am content to be patient and wait as I think you are > making good progress and expect your hard work to pay off soon. > > Keep going, and thank you for including us in your explorations. They have > been quite inspirational to me. > > -- > John E. Steck Hi John, Don't worry. I am used to people doubting me. I know what I am doing, where I am going and how to get there. The magnetic array used in the SMOT Mk3 is a MAJOR advance and should not be ignored. The SMOT Mk3 circular ramp will settle it for one and all. 1) Closed Loop operation. 2) NO adjustments. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Phone / PC Fax ...... 61 8 8270 2737 E-mail .............. gwatson@microtronics.com.au Home Page ........... Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 8 08:37:11 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id IAA08604; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 08:36:09 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 08:36:09 -0700 Message-ID: <33EB3B7A.DAA5F29B@microtronics.com.au> Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 01:00:02 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List Server Freenrg CC: List Server Vortex Subject: Re: Another one-way device X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199708062203.PAA17897@pop1.ucdavis.edu> <19970806.205256.3374.3.tv@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"R40uS.0.462.cppwp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4842 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Tim D Vaughan wrote: > > It seems to me that if the DC energy ( current x voltage x time ) from > the rectified and filtered output of the PMOD is greater than the time > integrated total of the pulses put into the PMOD transformer, there must > be an added quantity of energy entering the system apart from the pulse > generator input.. Correct. > Greg, are you saying that the avalanches you are triggering are an > amplification of the original pulse ? Yes. > Has the time integrated output (power x time) of the PMOD in DC actually > exceeded the time integrated DC input to the pulse generator feeding the > primary ? Please would you elaborate ? The PMOD time separates the domains aligning H field (from the coil) from the aligned domains B field and domain avalanche. It is possible to cause ferrite domain alignment without the back emf produced by the aligned domains affecting the current drawn by the primary coil. The coil's H field and the domain's B field do not time align in the first instance. THINK ABOUT IT!!!!!!!!!!!! > Thank You, > > Tim > ( tv@juno.com ) -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Phone / PC Fax ...... 61 8 8270 2737 E-mail .............. gwatson@microtronics.com.au Home Page ........... Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 8 08:58:34 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id IAA14169; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 08:58:06 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 08:58:06 -0700 Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 08:57:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708081557.IAA29591@sweden.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: Gravity Resonance Coil Resent-Message-ID: <"J5u5f2.0.IT3.D8qwp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4843 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: John Tooker wrote: > >I've been working on improving the design some, and I plan on building a >coil wiyh my improvements within the next few months, finances permitting. >Some of the improvements include a slightly better coil design, a circuit >that uses a battery instead of line current, and liquid nitrogen cooling, >to produce a better field with a smaller coil. >Regards, >John I have also wondered about a better design. I calculated from the original article that the inner coil of #16 AWG wire (1.34mm) uses 59 lb (26.5Kg) and has a resistance of 30 Ohms. With a 50V supply, only 1.7A is required. This produces a magnetic field in the center of the toroid of 0.003 Tesla or 30 Gauss. Not extremely high. The outer coil of #20 AWG wire (0.86mm) requires 15.5 lb (7Kg) and has a resistance of 51 Ohms, requiring a current of slightly less than 1A with a 50V supply. This produces an axial field inside the toroid of 0.0006 Tesla, 6 Gauss. Again, not large. The electric field, greater than 500,000 V/m is also inside the toroid, between the 2 coils, so that is where any EM coupling can occur. Doed this mean that any gravity effect is inside the toroid as well, not at the center (hole)? Or does the fields surrounding the hole produce the effect there??? -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 8 09:06:29 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id JAA05197; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 09:05:13 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 09:05:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33EB5C82.A30@keelynet.com> Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 10:50:58 -0700 From: Jerry Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Fwd: Good Info from Tom Bearden] Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"xMmKU3.0.xG1.jEqwp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4844 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 Message-ID: <33EB5C38.285C@keelynet.com> Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 10:49:44 -0700 From: Jerry Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Good Info from Tom Bearden References: <199708062203.PAA17897@pop1.ucdavis.edu> <19970806.205256.3374.3.tv@juno.com> <33EB3B7A.DAA5F29B@microtronics.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gnorts! Tom Bearden recently an amazingly lucid paper on how EM interacts with matter to produce gravity....I am particularly please that he has reverted back to phase congujation as being the key to tapping anomalous forces such as gravity and the production of o/u. In this paper, he suggests that a properly conjugated wave will produce a reduction or elimination of gravity. Puthoff HAS TO SEE THIS one! It is posted at; http://www.keelynet.com/gravity/beargrav.htm In a discussion with Tom on reports of locale dependent time and gravity anomalies when in the presence of true ZPE tapping devices, I asked how he thought the circuit might be balanced for safety. This is his response and ties in the Anti-Stokes emission as a means of achieving safe ZPE produced over/unity....check it out at; http://www.keelynet.com/gravity/bearbal.htm seeya! -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://www.keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / KeelyNet BBS (214) 324-3501 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite, Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 8 09:23:23 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id JAA20484; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 09:22:54 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 09:22:54 -0700 Message-Id: <199708081716.MAA06626@csrlink.net> From: "Jim Shaffer, Jr." To: Subject: Re: Who the heck designed the GRC?? Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 18:18:45 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"_T5wy2.0.y_4.TVqwp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4845 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Joe Misiolek used to put in an occasional appearance on KeelyNet claiming to be with a mysterious organization called the "TVQ Group" who had built some amazing scalar devices. He promised to reveal his information in a book, but nobody I know has heard anything from him since. It's been years since I've heard his name mentioned anywhere. "I don't want the world -- I just want your half." --T.M.B.G. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 8 11:34:25 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id LAA28219; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 11:31:58 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 11:31:58 -0700 (PDT) From: bpaddock@csonline.net (Bob Paddock) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Friday's Follies Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 12:56:35 -0400 Organization: is mostly via piles Reply-To: bpaddock@csonline.net Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Lines: 29 Resent-Message-ID: <"e-kLh2.0.qu6.OOswp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4846 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) wrote: > THE SEX LIFE OF THE ELECTRON > by D.C. Current One of the classics. > Millie-Amp mumbled, "OHM - OHM - OHM - OHM". The original had "Mho - Mho - Mho". Mho is the recipical of resistance (Ohm), some one was being funny when they needed a name for this unit (Conductance), and said "Its the opposite let's just reverse the letters"... Today this unit is known as Semen (sp?). "Semen - Semen..." doesn't have quite the same ring to it. Some one probably thought that was a spelling error and 'fixed it'. -- For information on any of the following check out my WEB site at: http://www.usachoice.net/bpaddock Chemical Free Air Conditioning/No CFC's, Chronic Pain Relief, Electromedicine, Electronics, Explore!, Free Energy, Full Disclosure, KeelyNet, Matric Limited, Neurophone, Oil City PA, Philadelphia Experiment. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 8 13:19:41 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id NAA12200; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 13:18:46 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 13:18:46 -0700 X-Sender: "Stefan Hartmann" X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: bshannon@tiac.net From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Scalar waves FAQ.... Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 22:22:17 MET Message-Id: <19970808222217.15a1fff5.in@pop3.vossnet.de> Resent-Message-ID: <"eveBU.0.X-2.bytwp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4847 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >Stefan Hartmann wrote: > > > >> >The magnetic shielding is quite good, and the finished detector assembly >> >is often placed inside a second Faraday cage, so I do not think that the >> >Earths geomagnetic field is causing the domain transitions. This could >> >not explain the detection of carefully modulated signals by these >> >detectors. (This observation has been confirmed by several builders of >> >this detector.) >> >> Hmm, maybe a Barkhausen effect Battery is then just a Scalar wave to >> Electromagnetic energy converter ? > >Yes, exactly correct. I see. > >> >> Maybe it would just be a converter for elcetromagnetic waves >> >> from radio ? So we would just extract radio energy via it ? >> > >> >But the detector is completely shielded from EM waves! >> >> I see. so this should really prove that there is indeed something else >> than EM waves causing it... > >Yes, also there have been tests made where a conventional pickup coil is >placed outside the detectors shielding, and does not detect any EM >signal when the detector responds to an apparent scalar signal. This >helps support the claim that the detector is indeed reacting to >something other than conventional EM waves. This sounds very interesting ! This would really prove, that there is really going on something else, than EM induction.. When I have some more time, I will also start experimenting with this detector technology... > >> >> P.S.: Is there anywhere else an easy description, what SCALAR WAVEs >> >> are and what they can used for and what the main difference versus >> >> electromagnetic waves are and if they are really for REAL ? >> > >> >You really need to read T.E. Bearden's "Towards a New Electromagnetics" >> >which is in several parts. These are avaiable from Tesla Book Co. >> >> Do you know, if there is a FAQ about Scalar waves on the Internet ? > >Good question, I am not aware of any such FAQ. Maybe you can begin to write some frequently asked questions and answers about SCALAR WAVES, as you are one of the first PROs in this area ! You have all the knowledge about it ! > >> Hmm, what are the main advantages of Scalar waves then ? >> Just , that EM shielding does not stop them ? > >Scalar waves seem to show us that what we current accept as EM theory is >in reality >a special case of a more fundemental force. I see. yes, sounds right. > >> How far do they travel ? At what speed ? Faster than Light ? > >ACcording to theory, there is no limit to their travel distance, and >they need not >follow the square of the distance rule of EM waves. Speeds according to >Bearden are a function of the scalar potentials coupling to EM waves, >and may be far greater, or far slower than EM waves. This appears to be >supported by experimental evidence. Hmm, so Faster than Light transmission is possible ? > >> How can they be used to transmit information ? > >Yes. Great ! > >> How can information be demodulated from it ? > >Scalar waves can be modulated by CW, AM, FM, or PWM methods, as well as >with SSB modes. What is most significant, is that a scalar wave carrier >may carry multiple subcarriers, each with its own modulations. It seems >as if we can transmit far more data bendwidth than that of the carriers >frequency! Does it violate the Nyquist theorem ? > >> Are there already any realworld applications and devices that work >> for information transmission (broadcasting) ? > >Yes, simple information transfer by CW (Morse code) has been >demonstrated with the >equipment shown in the article. What has been the range of operation ? How far away did you get a detection of your transmitter pulses ? Did it already work over a distance of a few miles ? or just meters or just inches ? How can the detector be tuned to be more powerful to receive and detcet small signals ? >Further, many detector builders have >reported observing 'other signals' with their detectors. These appear >to be spread spectrum digital packet burst transmissions from multiple >sources, origin unknown. Hm, maybe UFO communications with faster than light speed ? Maybe CETI is just listening on the wrong waves ! They should listen and scan on SCALAR waves and not on EM waves ! :) Good luck on bringing this technology forward ! Let me please know any updates ! Thanks a lot in adavance. Regards, Stefan. > > > > -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 8 15:35:49 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id PAA01436; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 15:34:15 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 15:34:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 16:26:27 -0600 (MDT) From: "John R. Tooker" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Gravity Resonance Coil In-Reply-To: <199708081557.IAA29591@sweden.it.earthlink.net> Message-Id: Organization: Calgary Free-Net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"EeKDG1.0.IM.axvwp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4848 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Fri, 8 Aug 1997, Dave Dameron wrote: > > John Tooker wrote: > > > I have also wondered about a better design. I calculated from the original > article that the inner coil of #16 AWG wire (1.34mm) uses 59 lb (26.5Kg) and > has a resistance of 30 Ohms. With a 50V supply, only 1.7A is required. This > produces a magnetic field in the center of the toroid of 0.003 Tesla or 30 > Gauss. Not extremely high. > The outer coil of #20 AWG wire (0.86mm) requires 15.5 lb (7Kg) and has a > resistance of 51 Ohms, requiring a current of slightly less than 1A with a > 50V supply. This produces an axial field inside the toroid of 0.0006 Tesla, > 6 Gauss. > Again, not large. The electric field, greater than 500,000 V/m is also > inside the toroid, between the 2 coils, so that is where any EM coupling can > occur. Doed this mean that any gravity effect is inside the toroid as well, > not at the center (hole)? Or does the fields surrounding the hole produce > the effect there??? I think so. I think the purpose of the coil is to have most of the effects in/near the coils themselves. I'm wondering if making the distance between the coils a quarter wavelength, or making them a helmholtz setup, where distance between the coils equals their diameter, but that wouldn't really work, as they have to produce scalar waves. Have you heard of the 90 degree crossfield toroid scalar coils? My ideas for improvement include making the center coil out of copper tubeing, not only to produce the inner magnetic field, but to allow the circulation of a coolant, either alcohol, cooled with dry ice, or liquid nitrogen. I'd personally go with the nitrogen, as once the coil's fully quenched, before startup, we have the superconducting resistance reduction effect happening. To me, this would require less power(theoretically) therefore, more safety, as I wouldn't need line current, which depends on the power grid, and, lately, Calgaries power grid has experienced more than normal outages due to electrical storms. I wonder how the scalar coils would react, considering their normal temp. reactions of 0 induction, etc. Thanks for the calculation info, as well. :) Regards, John P.S. I think that, with the scalar waves, there'd be an inductive coupleing directly with what we call hyperspace, with a minimal magnetic effect in 3 space. What's your opinion on this? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 8 17:21:44 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id RAA12873; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 17:21:09 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 17:21:09 -0700 From: openway@nor.com.au Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 10:20:54 +1000 Message-Id: <199708090020.KAA16808@nornet.nor.com.au> X-Sender: openway@pophost.nor.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Gravity Resonance Coil Resent-Message-ID: <"f-7-d.0.293.qVxwp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4849 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >Have you heard of the 90 degree crossfield toroid >scalar coils? > Can you provide more detail, and specify where you saw it used? A circular coil, like a torus, with another wrapped around it at 90 degrees. What was the relationship between the direction of current flow in the two windings? Peter Nielsen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 8 18:38:16 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id SAA10693; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 18:37:01 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 18:37:01 -0700 (PDT) From: steve-nyeoka@juno.com To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: building your own colloidal silver generator Message-ID: <19970808.203103.3615.1.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> References: <01BCA29D.41309780@dial111.phoenix.net> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-12,18-22 Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 21:34:58 EDT Resent-Message-ID: <"Mq1b12.0.zc2.tcywp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4850 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Wed, 6 Aug 1997 19:16:23 -0500 Art Loya writes: >Does anyone have a working schematic for building your own colloidal = >silver generator. I saw one advertised for $129.00 >I think it's a bit much for some kind of simple 9 volt oscillator, I >= >would try to build one using a 555 and a 2n2222 but I haven't got a >clue = >on frequencies or currents required. Any help would be appreciated. > >Thanks, Art > > Check out the April 97 issue of 73 magazine. Tom Miller's article included a method to test the concentration as well. Basicly he used a 7805 regulator set up as a current regulator (using a 250 ohm resistor) to pass 20 ma of current through a pair of silver wires (.999 fine silver only) , in a solution of distilled water with a small amount of non-iodizes salt (just enough salt to get 20 ma). Hope that helps. Steve Heckman From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 8 19:06:17 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id TAA15482; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 19:05:21 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 19:05:21 -0700 (PDT) From: steve-nyeoka@juno.com To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: None at this time Message-ID: <19970808.205914.3615.2.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> References: <199708040722.AAA26782@f77.hotmail.com> <3.0.1.32.19970804120324.0069ebb4@palacenet.net> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-17,20-22 Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 22:03:28 EDT Resent-Message-ID: <"w1b78.0.pn3.T1zwp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4851 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 04 Aug 1997 12:03:24 -0500 Jack DeMule writes: >Hi Kyle, all.... > >At 10:09 8/4/97 -0700, kyle wrote(and I snipped): >>I don't really know what method to use to cut the force lines, but >>thought I ought to post this idea. You never know, someday it might >just >>be possible. As to how: I guess I'll just have to try it out with >>various "knives". > > >Isn't this how an alternator, or generator works...by cutting >through the magnetic field with a conductor? > >What am I missing here? > It is how a generator works. But by using "blades" or shutters (as in the Ecklin generator) one avoids the problems of a rotating coil (slip rings, mass, etc) if nothing else. Steve Heckman From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 8 21:24:08 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id VAA29287; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 21:21:23 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 21:21:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970808221701.0069a7b4@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 22:17:01 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: Re: None at this time In-Reply-To: <19970808.205914.3615.2.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> References: <199708040722.AAA26782@f77.hotmail.com> <3.0.1.32.19970804120324.0069ebb4@palacenet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"_7eXl3.0.T97._0_wp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4852 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 22:03 8/8/97 EDT, steve-nyeoka@juno.com wrote: >It is how a generator works. But by using "blades" or shutters (as in the >Ecklin generator) one avoids the problems of a rotating coil (slip rings, >mass, etc) if nothing else. Those would be marked improvments if other parameters do not suffer. Is there a patent number, web page, ect.... So I can learn more of the Ecklin generator? I'm very interested in how the lines of force are cut. Best Regards, JD ------------------------------------------------------------ "Don't panic! ...I'm not from the government, and I wouldn't lift a tentacle to help you." -Bug Eyed Monster E-mail to: mules@palacenet.net ------------------------------------------------------------ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 8 21:25:36 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id VAA18300; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 21:24:30 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 21:24:30 -0700 Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 21:24:21 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: Tim Girard cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: PODMOD, MRA, egos... ...power factor. In-Reply-To: <01BC8D38.FED6B460@tgirard@tumbleweed.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"ge79C.0.rT4.z3_wp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4853 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Thu, 10 Jul 1997, Tim Girard wrote: > Hi Bill, > Can you explain the AC power factor to me. I must have missed it in the > list somewhere. Hi Tim! This was heavily discussed in 1994 on Keelynet, many people here are already familiar. It involves AC, coils, and capacitors. The short version: if volts and current in an AC wave are at zero phase angle or 180deg phase, there is a continuous energy flow in the pair of wires. But if the phase angle is 90deg or 270deg, there is no energy flow. So, if you ONLY measure voltage and current, and ignore the phase between them, you know nothing about energy flow. With AC systems, you cannot just measure volts, measure current, then multiply to get wattage. That only works for pure DC. THE LONG VERSION: If you stick a resistor across an AC line, the voltage drives a current, and when the voltage is high, the current is high, and the energy flow (wattage) is high. When the voltage reverses every 120th second, the current reverses too, so the wattage is still positive. The resistor gets hot, and it actually is heated by two whacks of energy every 60th of a second (heat is maxiumum when the voltage is positive AND when the voltage is negative.) The energy waveform turns out to be a 120hz sine wave flowing into the resistor as the volts and current keep reversing. RESISTOR voltage current energy wave wave wave . . . + + + ++ ++ ++++ +++ +++ +++++++++ VOLTS AND CURRENT VARY +++ +++ +++++++++ TOGETHER DURING AC CYCLE, ++ ++ ++++ SO ENERGY ALWAYS FLOWS + + + FROM GENERTOR TO RESISTOR . . . - - + -- -- ++++ --- --- +++++++++ --- --- +++++++++ -- -- ++++ - - + _______________________________________________________________________ Now if you stick a capacitor across the AC line, something entirely different happens. As the voltage wave cycles along, first there is a tiny voltage and a large current as the capacitor charges. Then the line voltage rises to maximum as the capacitor becomes fully charged, and the current is zero when the voltage is maximum. The voltage then falls, and the capacitor discharge causes a current which is reversed in polarity compared to the first current. When the voltage is down to zero again, this reversed current is maximum. The voltage then goes to negative maximum, the capacitor charges in the opposite polarity, and when the voltage gets to negative maximum , the capacitor is fully charged and the current is again zero. The voltage then falls, and the capacitor current reverses again as it discharges. If we look at the energy flow (watts, or volts times current) around the capacitor circuit, we find that it is very different than the energy flow for the resistor. For the resistor, voltage and current both went positive and negative at the same time, so energy flow was ALWAYS positive, meaning that electrical energy flow direction was always FROM the generator and TO the resistor (and then converted to heat.) But in the capacitor, the voltage and current are out of phase, so the energy flow is back and forth like so: CAPACITOR voltage current energy wave wave wave . ++++ . + +++ +++ ++ ++ ++++ +++ + +++ ++++ . . +++ - --- ++ -- ---- VOLTS AND CURRENT ARE 90 DEG + --- --- OUT OF PHASE. ENERGY FLOW . ---- . DIRECTION GOES POS AND NEG, - --- +++ SO GENERATOR STORES ENERGY IN -- -- ++++ CAPACITOR, THEN CAPACITOR --- - +++ DELIVERS ENERGY BACK TO ---- . . GENERATOR AGAIN. EVEN THOUGH --- + --- VOLTS AND CURRENT ARE THERE, -- ++ ---- THERE IS NO ENERGY OUTPUT. - +++ --- ENERGY JUST "SLOSHES" BACK . ++++ . AND FORTH. With the resistor, the generator delivered a continuous energy flow. With the capacitor, the energy sloshes back and forth between the generator and the capacitor. There is zero average energy flow! The capacitor draws a current, but it doesn't use any energy. This weird situation occurs when the voltage and current waves are at 90 degrees phase as my above crude diagram depicts. It also occurs when they are at 270 degrees phase, and 270 degrees occurs when a coil is connected across an AC outlet. (To simplify the concept, imagine a coil that's wound with special zero-ohm wire.) It seems counter-intuitive, no? But when you stick a coil of wire across an AC outlet, the coil draws current, but it draws no energy. Energy goes into the coil for a moment, but then it goes back to the generator. What happens at other degrees of phase besides 0,90,180,270? Turns out that the average energy flow (watts) for pure sine waves can be calculated like so: Watts = Volts x Amps x COS(phase) "phase" is the phase shift in degrees. The cosine function is zero at 90 and 270 degrees, just like the energy flow in the above capacitor diagram. COS(phase) is called the "power factor". Power Factor causes grief for free energy experimenters when they try to calculate energy output. If you calculate watts by multiplying volts and amps, your watts might actually be much less, or the direction of energy flow might actually be backwards in relation to what you expect. To calculate the net energy flow, you must measure the phase difference between volts and amps, then perform the above calculation. What about other, non-sinewave waveforms? Easy (though harder to do). See that capacitor energy wave diagram above? Just take one full cycle and add up all the pluses and minuses in the energy wave. To do this accurately you'll have to capture the voltage and current waveforms with a 12-bit A-to-D card, then do a running total of the product of volts and amps for one complete cycle. Either that, or buy a (hyper expensive) high frequency true-RMS AC power meter which has separate inputs for volts and current. Needless to say, energy flow measurements are extremely difficult for anything but pure sine waves. Since most F/E devices rely on nonlinear physics, their outputs are usually not sine waves. And so it's easy to make a mistake and fool yourself into believing that your experiment is producing energy. And unless you normally perform these measurements as part of your profession, it's difficult to get anyone to believe that you performed the power measurements correctly. .....................uuuu / oo \ uuuu........,............................. William Beaty voice:206-781-3320 bbs:206-789-0775 cserv:71241,3623 EE/Programmer/Science exhibit designer http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/ Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com SCIENCE HOBBYIST web page From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 8 22:06:58 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id WAA24043; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 22:06:22 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 22:06:22 -0700 Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 23:12:18 -0600 (MDT) From: Steve Ekwall X-Sender: ekwall2@november To: List Server Vortex cc: List Server Freenrg Subject: Re: SMOT Mk3 Magnetic Array In-Reply-To: <33E972AF.FF951B94@microtronics.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"yhGzY.0.Wt5.Dh_wp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4854 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Thu, 7 Aug 1997, Greg Watson wrote: > The design is very new and should be reviewed by ALL those interested in > the SMOT. Greg, Visited your page with the new smot3 'gateway'. Makes sense to me, and will try it, Question though, your earlier designs showed north & south very distincly. (unless I didn't see it in the gif)(mostly looking at the sims effect) Are the Gateway columns and top NS,NS,NS (right ot left) or do we still need to 'tape/glue' their repulsive nature SN,NS,SN. Thanks se From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 8 22:37:59 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id WAA28022; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 22:37:20 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 22:37:20 -0700 Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 00:35:48 -0500 (CDT) From: Zack Widup Subject: Re: Friday's Follies To: Bob Paddock cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"OIm9_1.0.lr6.F80xp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4855 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Fri, 8 Aug 1997, Bob Paddock wrote: > josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) wrote: > > THE SEX LIFE OF THE ELECTRON > > by D.C. Current > > One of the classics. > > > Millie-Amp mumbled, "OHM - OHM - OHM - OHM". > > The original had "Mho - Mho - Mho". > > Mho is the recipical of resistance (Ohm), some one was > being funny when they needed a name for this unit > (Conductance), and said "Its the opposite let's just reverse > the letters"... > > Today this unit is known as Semen (sp?). > > "Semen - Semen..." doesn't have quite the same > ring to it. > > Some one probably thought that was a spelling error > and 'fixed it'. > Actually, it's "siemen" but ... either way ... :-) Zack From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 8 22:57:14 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id WAA30330; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 22:56:47 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 22:56:47 -0700 Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 00:55:23 -0500 (CDT) From: Zack Widup Subject: Re: [Fwd: Good Info from Tom Bearden] To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: <33EB5C82.A30@keelynet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-832943887-871106123:#22282" Resent-Message-ID: <"s2sEk3.0.pP7.UQ0xp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4856 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --0-832943887-871106123:#22282 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Great articles! These are more along the line of Mr. Bearden's earlier works. Zack --0-832943887-871106123:#22282-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 9 00:10:00 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id AAA12575; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 00:08:44 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 00:08:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970809010428.00723ebc@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 01:04:28 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: RE: (whole bunch of stuff, and)...power factor. In-Reply-To: References: <01BC8D38.FED6B460@tgirard@tumbleweed.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"OHZC1.0.O43.wT1xp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4857 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi all... This is one of the better papers that I've seen on the web, that considers the effects of high crest factor, harmonic distortion, and low power factor. If you're in a rush, scroll down to the neighborhood of figure nine...but the whole paper is good reading. Nice colored graphs too! None of that ASCII stuff! (Whoa! I'm kidding....Bill's ASCII graphs were very well done too!) Best Regards, JD ------------------------------------------------------------ "Don't panic! ...I'm not from the government, and I wouldn't lift a tentacle to help you." -Bug Eyed Monster E-mail to: mules@palacenet.net ------------------------------------------------------------ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 9 01:08:54 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id BAA14965; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 01:06:44 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 01:06:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Priority: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 To: "Free Energy" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Fred Epps" Subject: experimental time wave generator Date: Fri, 08 Aug 97 21:00:01 PDT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"idgim.0.gf3.HK2xp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4858 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Folks, As you know I have been proposing some ideas on time on the list which can be summed up here: time has no independent existence as a force or energy. it is entirely dependent for its properties on the material in which it is being observed. the specific property which time most resembles is inertia, so I hypothesize that time rate is inversely proportional to inertia. I say: time is inertia. One implication of this view is that there as many time frames as there are inertial systems, or harmonic oscillators, which amounts to the same thing. Our common understanding of" time frame" would imply that we are not able to interact or take measurements with a different time frame-- but obviously we can. A time pulse based on a harmonic oscillator appear to be one basic form that time takes in our world. Consider any random set of such oscillators with different time constants. At any instant begin counting pulses from each oscillator. If this process were to continue forever there would be an infinite set of pulses corresponding to the count of each oscillator. These infinite sets are all in one to one correspondence with each other, even though their units of time have different lengths. This is considered to mean that the time frames are fully connected. It can also be shown that if the length of the units of time in one oscillator is changing it cannot be measured properly or linked properly to the other time frame. Measurements of energy will not appear accurate because the units in the two systems do not match. It is possible for such a system to operate with all the benefits of an overunity system without ever being one in terms of condervation of energy within its own time frame. The key is the acceleration of acceleration, or the inertia of inertia, if you will. There have been many experiments tried with rotating discs and no clear effects have come from it. I suggest this is because the uniforrm acceleration of the disc in steady rotation must also be accelerating. In the process of this rapid acceleration it should be possible to observe effects at a distance from the accelerating system. When inertial and gravitational quantities are treated as field forces anologously to Maxwell's equations there arises a radiative force derived from spin. This may account for the anomlies observed by some with increased energy in a mechanical system, coming from nowhere. There were two examples on the list, and there are several famous ones, one being the before-mentioned experiment that T.T. Brown did where one of his electrogravitic thrusters began to accelerate anomalously. There is also the famous story of the lecture demonstration that E.B Laithwaite did where he turned away from a spinning ball that should have come to a stop, but didn't! Poor guy, right there and didn't see it... There may be a threshold of acceleration of acceleration that must be reached before things get interesting, and indeed there is the occasional story of a rotating device that reaches these conditions and flies off the axle, never to do it again. Sound familiar? Perhaps when these threshold conditions are reached the TIME inside the system changes its relationship to the time outside the system.. What appears as rapid movement from the outside is the usual speed for the matter of the system itself. Here's an idea for a solid-state time wave generator. In a nutshell this is a pulse device. The basic device consists of a special variable inductor attached to two pulse generators. In operation a large current pulse passes though the main inductor even as a smaller current pulse passes through the control circuit, rapidly lowering the L. The output current can be sent through a test load. The introduction of energy (mass) to the system and the simultaneous increase of that energy by a change in the inertia fulfills the conditions for both overunity and generation of time effects at a distance. When operated as a time generator the main current is maximized and the inductor control circuit can be pulsed or ramped as desired. It may be operated a variable frequency tank circuit. Th inportant thing is for the L to be varied rapidly. The entire apparatus will of course be heavily shielded, but it should also be possible to minimize shielding by using nonelectronic oscillators as test probes. This would eliminate any residual entrainment effects. A device based on rapidly changing C would also be possible but the EM mass that could be used in the circuit would be much less. Test probes would ideally be nonelectrical but highly stable resonators. Although electrical, PZ clocks would probably work. The idea here is that there are two ways to test. One is by putting the probe on the same frequency as the time wave generator to see if there is a phase change or other change when the L begins ramping down. This method is subject to entrainment.The other is to use oscillators of arbitrary frequency and look for effects when the time generator is turned on. This technique is less likely to produce arifacts, but if the inertial radiative effects depend on some sort of rough synchrony then they would be eliminated with this testing. Fred l From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 9 05:11:39 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id FAA25313; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 05:10:57 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 05:10:57 -0700 From: bpaddock@csonline.net (Bob Paddock) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: building your own colloidal silver generator Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 08:08:45 -0400 Organization: is mostly via piles Reply-To: bpaddock@csonline.net Message-ID: References: <01BCA29D.41309780@dial111.phoenix.net> <19970808.203103.3615.1.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> In-Reply-To: <19970808.203103.3615.1.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> Lines: 19 Resent-Message-ID: <"Ncvte3.0.QB6.Gv5xp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4859 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >Check out the April 97 issue of 73 magazine. Tom Miller's article >included a method to test the concentration as well. Basicly he used a >7805 regulator set up as a current regulator (using a 250 ohm resistor) >to pass 20 ma of current through a pair of silver wires (.999 fine silver >only) , in a solution of distilled water with a small amount of >non-iodizes salt (just enough salt to get 20 ma). Any one know of the relation of current flow to concentration level? Is it linear? The original design by Beck used 40mA. -- NOTE: I have a new e-mail address: bpaddock@csonline.net For information on any of the following check out my WEB site at: http://www.usachoice.net/bpaddock Chemical Free Air Conditioning/No CFC's, Chronic Pain Relief, Electromedicine, Electronics, Explore!, Free Energy, Full Disclosure, KeelyNet, Matric Limited, Neurophone, Oil City PA, Philadelphia Experiment. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 9 06:58:06 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id GAA29798; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 06:42:53 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 06:42:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33EC73F5.7F3E@swipnet.se> Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 15:43:17 +0200 From: Roger Natanaelsson X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Wonder Weapons ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"JT5sa3.0.VH7.PF7xp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4860 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hello Earth , Need some fuel to get your thinking going ? Look at http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Vault/1177/picpg.htm ...is this for real ? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 9 07:19:28 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id HAA02276; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 07:18:54 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 07:18:54 -0700 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 07:15:03 -0700 Subject: SMOT III question Message-ID: <19970809.071526.12438.0.tv@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-2,5-8 From: tv@juno.com (Tim D Vaughan) Resent-Message-ID: <"AO8Y03.0.TZ.Dn7xp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4861 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I like your SMOT III design ! Surfing on the changing flux gradient, very ingenious. Would it work to to make 2 or 3 linked and curved ramps that are shorter and have larger turning radius ? I am wondering why you settled on only one ramp. Tim Vaughan ( tv@juno.com ) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 9 08:15:10 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id IAA08641; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 08:08:04 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 08:08:04 -0700 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 08:04:40 -0700 Subject: Dragone Paper Message-ID: <19970809.080444.12438.1.tv@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2,4-10 From: tv@juno.com (Tim D Vaughan) Resent-Message-ID: <"XcAKr1.0.n62.IV8xp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4862 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I finaly got the Dragone paper posted on a Web page. It describes the late physicist Leon Dragone's ideas on extracting high grade energy from ferromagnetic materials which act to organize or cohere fluctuation energy. You can find it at: http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/4810/dragone1.html Tim Vaughan ( tv@juno.com ) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 9 08:58:15 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id IAA14106; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 08:57:52 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 08:57:52 -0700 Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 08:57:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708091557.IAA10679@norway.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: mrandall@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Michael Randall Subject: Re: SMOT III question Resent-Message-ID: <"GoJEq.0.JS3._D9xp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4863 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 07:15 AM 8/9/97 -0700, Tim Vaughan wrote: >I like your SMOT III design ! Surfing on the changing flux gradient, >very ingenious. > >Would it work to to make 2 or 3 linked and curved ramps that are shorter >and have larger turning radius ? I am wondering why you settled on only >one ramp. > >Tim Vaughan >( tv@juno.com ) > Hi Greg, Same here, nice SMOT 3 design. Your mag assay looks very close to John Bedini's mag motor assay stator in his rotary design. Do you think that by using steel plugs instead of the magnets on the rotor it would work? You mentioned that both you and Epitaxy could not replicate the Bedini design. Maybe it could work now? Best Regards, Michael Randall From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 9 11:07:43 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id LAA27174; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 11:07:09 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 11:07:09 -0700 From: HLafonte@aol.com Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 14:06:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970809140632_-1707214694@emout06.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Question on simple dc circuit Resent-Message-ID: <"gH0ce.0.Se6.B7Bxp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4864 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Question, Does a straight wire in a circuit that is super conducting have INDUCTANCE during the initial DC pulse that is applied to it? (it is not close to any other part of the circuit) If so, does the inductance increase with the wire length? Thanks, Butch Note: Please bear with me on these questions as I believe I could be on to something. Please keep an open mind on this. Remember that this circuit is looked at only during the initial DC pulse as it is rising, this is not steady state current. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 9 16:29:24 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id QAA31633; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 16:28:17 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 16:28:17 -0700 From: HLafonte@aol.com Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 19:27:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970809192739_-1505965245@emout15.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: new question on dc circuit Resent-Message-ID: <"ks9Re2.0.Ak7.GqFxp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4865 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Question, If a superconducting straight wire were connected to the terminal of a battery to close the circuit and the battery was 1.5 volts and the wire went out straight for one light minute, would the induction become so high that the current from the battery would start to slow? If it did then the field around the wire would sense the flow reducing and collapse to maintain it. Then would a sequence of events start to fall into place, such as a "pumping" type action down the wire length? This is very hard to visualize and I think because of that people don't want to mess with it. Has any serious research been done to predict the behavior of a wire circuit this long (in theory)? I see the possibilty of very unique wave forms developing along this wire. Your thoughts please. Thanks, Butch From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 9 17:20:59 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id RAA22773; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 17:18:49 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 17:18:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33ED0728.B0C01A8B@microtronics.com.au> Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 09:41:20 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: List Server Vortex Subject: Re: SMOT III question X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <19970809.071526.12438.0.tv@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"9XKkI1.0.kZ5.bZGxp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4866 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Tim D Vaughan wrote: > > I like your SMOT III design ! Surfing on the changing flux gradient, > very ingenious. Not ingenious, just continual development driven by the faults in the older magnetic arrays. > Would it work to to make 2 or 3 linked and curved ramps that are shorter > and have larger turning radius ? I am wondering why you settled on only > one ramp. The villagers cried "Close the Loop". And make is simple!!!!!!!!!!!!! > Tim Vaughan Hi Tim, There is a lot more on the SMOT Mk3 magnetic array design on my site now. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Phone / PC Fax ...... 61 8 8270 2737 E-mail .............. gwatson@microtronics.com.au Home Page ........... Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 9 17:24:22 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id RAA23143; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 17:22:25 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 17:22:25 -0700 (PDT) From: steve-nyeoka@juno.com To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: None at this time Message-ID: <19970809.191639.7687.0.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> References: <199708040722.AAA26782@f77.hotmail.com> <3.0.1.32.19970808221701.0069a7b4@palacenet.net> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-19,22,24-25,28-37,46-47,49-52 Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 20:21:04 EDT Resent-Message-ID: <"3uIQd2.0.Wf5.zcGxp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4867 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Fri, 08 Aug 1997 22:17:01 -0500 Jack DeMule writes: >At 22:03 8/8/97 EDT, steve-nyeoka@juno.com wrote: >>It is how a generator works. But by using "blades" or shutters (as in >the >>Ecklin generator) one avoids the problems of a rotating coil (slip >rings, >>mass, etc) if nothing else. > >Those would be marked improvements if other parameters do >not suffer. Is there a patent number, web page, ect.... >So I can learn more of the Ecklin generator? > >I'm very interested in how the lines of force are cut. > >Best Regards, >JD > > The Ecklin generator is basically an improvident of his patent #3,879,622 (Apr 22, 1975). All the info I have was published in a book called "Free Energy Secrets!" by Dr. J. Franklin Kilpatrick. Publisher is unknown but I ordered it ten years ago from Lindsey Publications. The basic device is simple. A coil is wound on a vertical "I" core. On each side there is a horseshoe magnet, with the poles nearly touching the core on each side N S ****** I IIII ****** * I II * * I II I * * I II * ****** I IIII ****** S N Between the gap between the core is a shutter made of iron (or other magnetic material) that allows the magnetic field to travel from the magnet into the core and back into the other pole of the magnet. On the other side is a horseshoe magnet of opposite polarity, but the shutter is at right angles to the other, so it is "out of circuit". Since the shutters are on a shaft that pass through the core and are rotating, soon the first magnet is taken out of circuit and the one of opposite polarity is now feeding it's magnetic field through the core. I hope the crude diagram helps explain it. I have always been intrigued by this idea since the back-emf seems not to be coupled to the rotating shaft. Have fun. Steve From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 9 17:30:59 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id RAA23836; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 17:29:44 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 17:29:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33ED099E.ADB42DA9@microtronics.com.au> Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 09:51:50 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Dragone Paper X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <19970809.080444.12438.1.tv@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"16ZAj1.0.Hq5.qjGxp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4868 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Tim D Vaughan wrote: > > I finaly got the Dragone paper posted on a Web page. > It describes the late physicist Leon Dragone's ideas on extracting high grade > energy from ferromagnetic materials which act to organize or cohere > fluctuation energy. > > You can find it at: > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/4810/dragone1.html > > Tim Vaughan Hi Tim, I have downloaded the gifs and increased the contrast to eliminate the background. This really reduces the size and time to load. Will you keep this site up? I would like to add it to my site's links. Would you like the smaller size contrast enhanced files? -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Phone / PC Fax ...... 61 8 8270 2737 E-mail .............. gwatson@microtronics.com.au Home Page ........... Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 9 17:40:23 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id RAA06580; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 17:39:28 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 17:39:28 -0700 From: openway@nor.com.au Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 10:39:17 +1000 Message-Id: <199708100039.KAA21165@nornet.nor.com.au> X-Sender: openway@pophost.nor.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: experimental time wave generator Resent-Message-ID: <"UONkd.0.jc1._sGxp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4869 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >I hypothesize that time rate is inversely proportional to inertia. > (snip) >There have been many experiments tried with rotating discs and >no clear effects have come from it. I suggest this is because the uniforrm >acceleration of the disc in steady rotation must also be accelerating. > Did you read my post to you regarding conversations with Ted Roach? Time variations have been measured between high and low altitude on the Earth's surface using atomic clocks. Where is the acceleration? The effect is based on a differential in the vibratory rates of particles caused dissimilar speeds of rotation. It's already there, but may be assisted by acceleration. Reminds one of the homopolar generator? Time difference = voltage difference. >The key is the acceleration of acceleration, or the inertia of inertia, if >you will. > The effect of acceleration could also be achieved by modulating the field within which the device is rotating at a steady speed. I have more details on this if anyone is game to try. >There may be a threshold of acceleration of acceleration that must be >reached before things get interesting, and indeed there is the occasional >story of a rotating device that reaches these conditions and flies off the >axle, never to do it again. Sound familiar? > I believe it is a harmonic relationship between the acquired potential and speed of rotation. This is why size and materials are important. >Here's an idea for a solid-state time wave generator. > Have another look at Markovitch's ATREE circuit. Used non-inductive windings to alter time flow in one of two parrallel circuits. Peter Nielsen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 9 17:43:13 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id RAA26450; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 17:42:27 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 17:42:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33ED0CB6.F678591A@microtronics.com.au> Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 10:05:02 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: List Server Vortex Subject: Re: SMOT III question X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199708091557.IAA10679@norway.it.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"tKPj8.0.AT6.kvGxp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4870 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Michael Randall wrote: > > At 07:15 AM 8/9/97 -0700, Tim Vaughan wrote: > >I like your SMOT III design ! Surfing on the changing flux gradient, > >very ingenious. > > > >Would it work to to make 2 or 3 linked and curved ramps that are shorter > >and have larger turning radius ? I am wondering why you settled on only > >one ramp. > > > >Tim Vaughan > >( tv@juno.com ) > > > Hi Greg, > > Same here, nice SMOT 3 design. Your mag assay looks very close to John > Bedini's mag motor assay stator in his rotary design. Do you think that by > using steel plugs instead of the magnets on the rotor it would work? You > mentioned that both you and Epitaxy could not replicate the Bedini design. > Maybe it could work now? > > Best Regards, > Michael Randall Hi Michael, Whenever I build something and it doesn't work, I spend a lot of time to discover why it doesn't. Failures are the best teaching tool. I have done many, many hours of simulations and testing as I believed that the ferrite attraction phase could be made strong enough to overcome the small amount of repulsion. I stopped work on the unit after that glass of port on the beach at Pt. Elliot. I do plan to return to it. I believe the unit can be made to work. I have several non ramp based hybrid magnet-magnet/ferrite-magnet designs in my note book. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Phone / PC Fax ...... 61 8 8270 2737 E-mail .............. gwatson@microtronics.com.au Home Page ........... Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 9 18:36:03 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id SAA13226; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 18:31:35 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 18:31:35 -0700 Message-ID: <33ED1887.C3BCC704@microtronics.com.au> Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 10:55:27 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com CC: List Server Freenrg Subject: Re: SMOT Mk3 Magnetic Array X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"_5SHE2.0.OE3.rdHxp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4871 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Steve Ekwall wrote: > > On Thu, 7 Aug 1997, Greg Watson wrote: > > > The design is very new and should be reviewed by ALL those interested in > > the SMOT. > Greg, > Visited your page with the new smot3 'gateway'. Makes sense to me, and > will try it, Question though, your earlier designs showed north & south > very distincly. (unless I didn't see it in the gif)(mostly looking at the > sims effect) Are the Gateway columns and top NS,NS,NS (right ot left) or > do we still need to 'tape/glue' their repulsive nature SN,NS,SN. > > Thanks > Steve Hi Steve, Have updated the SMOT Mk3 magnetic array info on my site. I now show a N pole, but it really doesn't matter which way the magnet is positioned as long as opposite are across the long air gap. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Phone / PC Fax ...... 61 8 8270 2737 E-mail .............. gwatson@microtronics.com.au Home Page ........... Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 9 18:38:14 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id SAA01567; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 18:36:58 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 18:36:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: bailey@best.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 18:41:25 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: pgb@padrak.com (Patrick Bailey) Subject: Beck & the silver colloidal generator Cc: bpaddock@csonline.net Resent-Message-ID: <"hIrpn.0.KO.tiHxp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4872 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: 3 9V batteries with snap tops in parallel, to a female RCA plug. Include a switch if you want. Order the 99.99% Silver wire with the male RCA connector already made and ready to go from Action Electronics for $15.00 - at www.action-electronics.com/ps.htm . The total cost per unit comes to about $20. I am makling 10. Beck used the rule of thumb of using regular water (filtered), 8 oz, and 5 min made about 5 ppm. If you use 8 oz of distilled water, then 10 min is about 5 ppm. Putting in sea slat will increase the conductivity and the ppm. See: www.padrak.com/beck/ It works. Don't get cocky: IMHO, it will not prevent getting the BW plagues, etc... >>Check out the April 97 issue of 73 magazine. Tom Miller's article >>included a method to test the concentration as well. Basicly he used a >>7805 regulator set up as a current regulator (using a 250 ohm resistor) >>to pass 20 ma of current through a pair of silver wires (.999 fine silver >>only) , in a solution of distilled water with a small amount of >>non-iodizes salt (just enough salt to get 20 ma). > >Any one know of the relation of current flow to >concentration level? Is it linear? The original design by >Beck used 40mA. > >-- >NOTE: I have a new e-mail address: bpaddock@csonline.net >For information on any of the following check out my WEB site at: > http://www.usachoice.net/bpaddock >Chemical Free Air Conditioning/No CFC's, Chronic Pain Relief, Electromedicine, >Electronics, Explore!, Free Energy, Full Disclosure, KeelyNet, Matric Limited, >Neurophone, Oil City PA, Philadelphia Experiment. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 9 18:37:27 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id SAA13543; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 18:35:59 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 18:35:59 -0700 X-Sender: bailey@best.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 18:41:33 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: pgb@padrak.com (Patrick Bailey) Subject: On the power factor: Short Answer Resent-Message-ID: <"-YjCn1.0.WJ3.-hHxp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4873 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: The shorter answer: If you measure an average voltage, and an average current, and then multiply them to get an average power - you do not deserve to email me from your computer. If you wanna do it right, Measure V(t) and I(t), multiple the data to get P(t), and then average that. Use a good high frequency oscilloscope to do that! Otherwise, everybody and his dog will have an over-unity device on the net. How about 2 rectified square waves, 180 degrees apart for V and I: Averaging V and I will get a nice fat number fo P. The real power is zero! Just Do It! (this is really old and basic stuff...) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 9 18:49:17 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id SAA03586; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 18:48:29 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 18:48:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33ED1C39.A3856C96@microtronics.com.au> Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 11:11:13 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List Server Freenrg Subject: [Fwd: More SMOT improvements?] X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------6F5CBE160C6DEF5D30AF89C3" Resent-Message-ID: <"B7IrA.0.st.gtHxp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4874 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------6F5CBE160C6DEF5D30AF89C3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Phone / PC Fax ...... 61 8 8270 2737 E-mail .............. gwatson@microtronics.com.au Home Page ........... Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson --------------6F5CBE160C6DEF5D30AF89C3 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-ID: <33ED1C11.5D95E4F7@microtronics.com.au> Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 11:10:33 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: More SMOT improvements? X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rick Monteverde wrote: > > Greg - > > > I take it you haven't checked out > > the SMOT results data base. > > I checked it out weeks ago. I'm encouraged that some have claimed rollaways > and even limited rollarounds. > > [huge self-snip here to save everybody the time] > > Greg, I appreciate your candor here in keeping us all informed with your > updates and so forth. I'm not trying to rouse the rabble, or accuse you of > dishonesty or the like. I'm just trying to let you know that from my > perspective, it appeared that you might have been getting too caught up in > constant tinkering Its called development. Its called widening out the margins. Its called progress. Its called change. > rather than solidifying around claims for working > devices made some time ago. I would have though that you might have by now > released a working OU device (simple rollaway at equal or higher level) to > one or more of those people I mentioned. What IE, Earth Tech and others will get are units that can do a rollaway and not require hours of "tinkering". It took Scott 20 hours to get a SMOT Mk1 "Climb and Drop" to work. I did it in 5 minutes. That REALLY worries me!!!!!!!!!!! With all respect, when they play it is tinkering, when I play its development. I don't want them to have to tinker, that's why I am doing the development. > - Ignorant Villager Ignorant - No, Villager - You live in a small town???? > Honolulu, HI Hi Rick, I don't think I used the word Ignorant. Sorry if my humor went astray. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Phone / PC Fax ...... 61 8 8270 2737 E-mail .............. gwatson@microtronics.com.au Home Page ........... Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson --------------6F5CBE160C6DEF5D30AF89C3-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 9 19:26:31 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id TAA21572; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 19:26:04 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 19:26:04 -0700 Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 19:25:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708100225.TAA18433@germany.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Caduceus Coils Resent-Message-ID: <"JdOBz2.0.zG5.wQIxp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4875 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hello everyone, Could someone please explain the operation of the Caduceus coil as explained in Bill's "Not your average construction project"? I first thought it was 2 windings such as to "cancel" each other's magnetic field, but it appears to only be a 2 layer solenoid. In a 2 layer solenoid, the first layer goes from bottom to top (for example), and the second layer from top to bottom, crossing the first layer at every turn (like a right-hand and left-hand screw thread). The windings are the same direction. Their magnetic fields add. An arrangement where they cancel would be a bifilar wound coil where the 2 winding "starts" are the connection leads, and the 2 "finishes" are connected together. (Note the 180 deg. turn here). Would this winding be what a Caduceus coil really is? Thanks, -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 9 20:18:37 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id UAA12887; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 20:17:44 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 20:17:44 -0700 (PDT) From: rvanspaa@eisa.net.au (Robin van Spaandonk) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Dragone Paper Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 03:16:24 GMT Organization: Improving Message-ID: <33ee3252.16833207@mail.eisa.net.au> References: <19970809.080444.12438.1.tv@juno.com> In-Reply-To: <19970809.080444.12438.1.tv@juno.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"owSEF.0.G93.KBJxp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4876 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Sat, 9 Aug 1997 08:04:40 -0700, Tim D Vaughan wrote: >I finaly got the Dragone paper posted on a Web page. >It describes the late physicist Leon Dragone's ideas on extracting high >grade >energy from ferromagnetic materials which act to organize or cohere >fluctuation energy. > >You can find it at: >http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/4810/dragone1.html > >Tim Vaughan >( tv@juno.com ) > What happened to pages 10-15? Or didn't they ever really exist? Robin van Spaandonk -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Check out: http://www.eisa.net.au/~rvanspaa for how CF depends on temperature. "....,then he should stop, and he will catch up..." PS - no SPAM thanks! -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 9 22:33:37 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id WAA09436; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 22:30:55 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 22:30:55 -0700 From: HLafonte@aol.com Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 01:30:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970810013019_261744001@emout02.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Big Newman motor project stopped due to: Resent-Message-ID: <"lKh4N3.0.LJ2.E8Lxp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4877 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: The number of people wanting to join in the big Newman motor project stopped at 35. At least 100 would be needed to get the project started. I would like to thank all of those who offered to help. Thanks again, Butch From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 9 23:02:01 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id XAA25132; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 23:01:30 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 23:01:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970809102125.006afd34@multinet.net.il> X-Sender: BUSHI@multinet.net.il X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 10:21:25 +0300 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Lev Robert Subject: Re: risque patent infringements In-Reply-To: <84668@.multinet.net.il> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"fUCXK3.0.a86.uaLxp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4878 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 10:24 AM 06-08-97 GMT+0200, you wrote: >Lev Robert wrote: Hi to the garmmer fan I made it again so have your fun with the tipo errors. By the way is it correct to say harasment or hairasment. Have you anything to say about the issue after the idea is understood and the errors corrected? Robert >>>>Excelent idea but isn't a bit risque because of Mr Newmansensitivity of >>patent infringments?? >>Robert > >Hi, > >I know it's generally not proper to correct grammar/spelling, but in this >case the mixup in usage could cause difficult situations in the future if >not pointed out: > >I think you mean 'risky', not 'risque'. > >'Risque' is risky because it excites a quite different circuit ;-). >If Mr. Newman's response were risque, the only suits would be lawsuits, and >the charges would likely be for hairassing the public :-). > >Dan > > > BUSHILEV From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 9 23:06:22 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id XAA14306; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 23:05:36 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 23:05:36 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970809102809.006afd34@multinet.net.il> X-Sender: BUSHI@multinet.net.il X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 10:28:09 +0300 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Lev Robert Subject: Re: Carbon arc process In-Reply-To: <84688@.multinet.net.il> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"AqmTt1.0.QV3.leLxp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4879 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi there That's right in order to maintain the light intensity you keep the gap constant. That's done by a simple mechanical device that moves the rods spring loaded in their casing ======================================== At 12:21 PM 06-08-97 GMT+0200, you wrote: >For many years people have been seeing Grand opening Skylights. these >use self feeding carbon rods and run many hours between replacment. I >must assume that the same type of self feeding would have been used in a >projecter to keep the light intensity adjusted without continual manual >adjustments. Let me know if I'm wrong [I'm just guessing that rods would >have been in some sort of spring loaded mount which could be adjusted >without stopping the light] > >Lev Robert wrote: > >> Gene >> Many years ago carbon arc were used in the movie projectors as a very >> intensive light source. During the process the carbon rods burnet >> themselves. Was it the reason for the intermition in the movies in >> addition >> to changinging roles?? >> Robert >> At 06:42 PM 01-08-97 GMT+0200, you wrote: >> > >> >Gene: I got excited about the same thing a couple of years ago. After >> >> >spending time reading the patent I was not nearly as excited. I do >> not >> >recall if another person told me or if the carbon consumption is >> mentioned >> >in the patent. However I do remember that the device did use more >> carbon >> >than I was interested in using. You can view the patent for free on >> the IBM >> >search site. >> > If you like hydrogen I believe patent #5085176 will satisfy you. >> Check it >> >out. >> >Thanks wes >> > >> > >> > >> BUSHILEV > > > > > BUSHILEV From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 9 23:06:33 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id XAA14329; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 23:05:41 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 23:05:41 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970809110421.006afd34@multinet.net.il> X-Sender: BUSHI@multinet.net.il X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 11:04:21 +0300 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Lev Robert Subject: Re: None at this time In-Reply-To: <85468@.multinet.net.il> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"yUJrB3.0.oV3.peLxp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4880 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Kyle Cutting lines of force reminds me of the LIAG (Low Inertia Armature Generator) The author is Robert E. Dorman dated March 22 1996. Read it before anything else. Robert At 05:16 AM 09-08-97 GMT+0200, you wrote: > >On Mon, 04 Aug 1997 12:03:24 -0500 Jack DeMule >writes: >>Hi Kyle, all.... >> >>At 10:09 8/4/97 -0700, kyle wrote(and I snipped): >>>I don't really know what method to use to cut the force lines, but >>>thought I ought to post this idea. You never know, someday it might >>just >>>be possible. As to how: I guess I'll just have to try it out with >>>various "knives". >> >> >>Isn't this how an alternator, or generator works...by cutting >>through the magnetic field with a conductor? >> >>What am I missing here? >> >It is how a generator works. But by using "blades" or shutters (as in the >Ecklin generator) one avoids the problems of a rotating coil (slip rings, >mass, etc) if nothing else. > >Steve Heckman > > BUSHILEV From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 10 00:00:24 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id XAA20556; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 23:59:57 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 23:59:57 -0700 From: JNaudin509@aol.com Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 02:58:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970810025845_-620988217@emout11.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com cc: gwatson@microtronics.com.au Subject: Re : Re: Dragone Paper Resent-Message-ID: <"K1_lE.0.515.iRMxp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4881 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On 10/08/1997 06:14:47 , Greg Watson wrote : << Hi Tim, I have downloaded the gifs and increased the contrast to eliminate the background. This really reduces the size and time to load. >> Hi Greg and Tim, I can't download some pages of the Dragone paper ( page 10 to 15 ) from the Tim server at : http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/4810/dragone1.htm Are you able to download the last 6 pages ? Sincerely, Jean-Louis Naudin ( France / GMT+2 ) Email : JNaudin509@aol.com my Overunity WEB Server : http://members.aol.com/JNaudin509/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 10 01:21:41 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id BAA28471; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 01:21:09 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 01:21:09 -0700 Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19970810082314.355731ec@home.inetnow.com> X-Sender: hargraves@home.inetnow.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 03:23:14 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: hargraves Subject: Big Newman motor project / Butch Resent-Message-ID: <"UP_-W3.0.iy6.qdNxp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4882 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Butch you wrote: >The number of people wanting to join in the big Newman motor project stopped >at 35. Count me as number 36, Randy Hargraves, ( hargraves@inetnow.com ) I can give some support, however, limited it maybe, you have my support. If you don't give up yet. others may jump on the Energy Wagon Butch From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 10 03:14:41 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id DAA04054; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 03:14:16 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 03:14:16 -0700 Message-ID: <33ED9305.9237B24F@microtronics.com.au> Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 19:38:05 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List Server Freenrg CC: List Server Vortex Subject: Updated QField models X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"bdSUa1.0.F_.sHPxp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4883 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi All, I have updated the QField section of my site. I have added more instruction, a missing Matlib.dms file to the zips and added the model files for the SMOT Mk3 magnetic array. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Phone / PC Fax ...... 61 8 8270 2737 E-mail .............. gwatson@microtronics.com.au Home Page ........... Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 10 05:52:26 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id FAA14693; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 05:51:55 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 05:51:55 -0700 (PDT) From: bpaddock@csonline.net (Bob Paddock) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Barkhausen Battery ? !! Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 08:14:22 -0400 Organization: is mostly via piles Reply-To: bpaddock@csonline.net Message-ID: References: <19970804185712.004ccdf1.in@pop3.vossnet.de> <33E64479.7F7E@tiac.net> In-Reply-To: <33E64479.7F7E@tiac.net> Lines: 15 Resent-Message-ID: <"vqv9s3.0.Rb3.fbRxp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4884 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >This phenomena is described as being the basis for a form of scalar >detector which Mr. Bearden describes as the "Dea/Faretto" detector, but >I know of another researchers who claims that this design is actually >his work, rather than that of Dea and Faretto's. I've seen papers by Dr. Jack Dea, but who is Faretto? Any one know of any thing he published? -- For information on any of the following check out my WEB site at: http://www.usachoice.net/bpaddock Chemical Free Air Conditioning/No CFC's, Chronic Pain Relief, Electromedicine, Electronics, Explore!, Free Energy, Full Disclosure, KeelyNet, Matric Limited, Neurophone, Oil City PA, Philadelphia Experiment. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 10 06:22:58 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id GAA15996; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 06:22:30 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 06:22:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 01:15:03 +1000 Message-Id: <199708101515.BAA07240@main.murray.net.au> X-Sender: egel@main.murray.net.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Geoff Egel Subject: Re: Flyod Sweet VTA Resent-Message-ID: <"U6QXU.0.rv3.K2Sxp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4885 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 11:04 AM 8/9/97 +0300, you wrote: > >I have added a new page on web site about Flyod Sweet check it out and let me know what you think Geoff http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTrinagle/Lab/1135/vta.htm http://www2.murray.net.au/users/egel and my other site The Lantern http://members.tripod.com/~geoffegel From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 10 07:26:26 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id HAA21403; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 07:24:27 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 07:24:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33EDCE30.7C84F1D@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 10:20:32 -0400 From: Dave DeLeo Reply-To: ddeleo@ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freenrg-l@eskimo.com" Subject: digest problems X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"xA0MH.0.IE5.PySxp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4886 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: has anyone been having problems with the digest for this list? I have not recieved one in days and have just resubscribed to both the list and the digest. I am recieving the list posts just fine but no digest. I didn't even get a confirmation of my digest subscribtion....... Just wondering if anyone else is having similar problems, Dave DeLeo From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 10 11:07:15 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id LAA10214; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 11:06:06 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 11:06:06 -0700 (PDT) From: HLafonte@aol.com Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 14:04:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970810140419_605736688@emout09.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: new question on dc circuit Resent-Message-ID: <"jomI2.0.TV2.BCWxp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4887 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Scott, Then there is a flow of electrons going into the POSITIVE side of the battery as this initial pulse is moving up the wire on the NEGATIVE side of the battery. If this is so, then there is an initial pulse moving up the wire on the POSITIVE side of the battery to meet with the initial pulse moving up the wire on the NEGATIVE side. They should meet at half the length of the closed circuit, yes or no ? Note: I know that there is not a flow of electrons going up the positive wire, but a progression of electrons moving toward the positive terminal leaving positive charged atoms behind as each one moves toward the positive terminal. Like a bucket brigrade starting at the battery and the exchange of buckets moving up each wire side by side till at the half way point one line exchanges with the other for the FIRST time. After this, the flow is continious and steady through the length of the wire. I'm I correct ? Thanks, Butch From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 10 11:22:03 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id LAA12064; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 11:21:14 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 11:21:14 -0700 (PDT) From: HLafonte@aol.com Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 14:19:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970810141928_-253655558@emout10.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Pumping electrons from where? Resent-Message-ID: <"hpSjT2.0.Oy2.NQWxp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4888 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Question, When a pulse is sent down a transmission line to find where a break in the line is, where do they get their supply of electrons for the power supply that is producing this pulse? (Just wondering how it's done.) (The circuit is broken, remember) Thanks, Butch From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 10 11:40:24 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id LAA19874; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 11:39:38 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 11:39:38 -0700 From: HLafonte@aol.com Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 14:39:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970810143900_-620820087@emout12.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: No way for battery to not chemicaly change in Newman motor ? Resent-Message-ID: <"s1RsM2.0.Qs4.fhWxp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4889 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Question, Joe Newman said in his book that he breaks the circuit just before the pulse completes it's travel through the wire. Well, after alot of posts from me, asking if an initial pulse in a DC circuit travels up both wires at the same time, (wire from positive terminal, wire from negative terminal) with the two meeting for the FIRST time half way throught the length of wire, I got all yes answers to this point. Joe says that he breaks the circuit before the pulse completes it's travel through the wire so that no chemical decomposition can take place in the battery. But electrons start flowing into the battery the instant the circuit is closed, and chemical decomposition take place at that instant! Your Comments, Thanks, Butch From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 10 13:07:16 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id LAA19874; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 11:39:38 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 11:39:38 -0700 From: HLafonte@aol.com Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 14:39:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970810143900_-620820087@emout12.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: No way for battery to not chemicaly change in Newman motor ? Resent-Message-ID: <"s1RsM2.0.Qs4.fhWxp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4889 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Question, Joe Newman said in his book that he breaks the circuit just before the pulse completes it's travel through the wire. Well, after alot of posts from me, asking if an initial pulse in a DC circuit travels up both wires at the same time, (wire from positive terminal, wire from negative terminal) with the two meeting for the FIRST time half way throught the length of wire, I got all yes answers to this point. Joe says that he breaks the circuit before the pulse completes it's travel through the wire so that no chemical decomposition can take place in the battery. But electrons start flowing into the battery the instant the circuit is closed, and chemical decomposition take place at that instant! Your Comments, Thanks, Butch From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 10 13:21:00 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id NAA24190; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 13:20:26 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 13:20:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970810131858.00979650@mail.rivalnet.net> X-Sender: rivaledcayce@mail.rivalnet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 13:18:58 -0700 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: "Edgar E. Cayce" Subject: Re: Pumping electrons from where? In-Reply-To: <970810141928_-253655558@emout10.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"qR6Kf3.0.tv5.7AYxp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4890 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 02:19 PM 8/10/97 -0400, you wrote: >Question, >When a pulse is sent down a transmission line to find where a break in the >line is, where do they get their supply of electrons for the power supply >that is producing this pulse? (Just wondering how it's done.) (The circuit is >broken, remember) >Thanks, Butch > I think its just a "ping" of potential - a brief puls. The electrons don't really go anywhere in patricular, they just propagate a wave that goes to the end of the line and bounces back. Like in a network cable or an antenna. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 10 13:59:03 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id NAA27582; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 13:58:07 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 13:58:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33EE2969.1F9C@ctv.es> Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 22:49:45 +0200 From: Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga Reply-To: vramos@ctv.es X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Pumping electrons from where? References: <970810141928_-253655558@emout10.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"1xqp-3.0.tk6.SjYxp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4891 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: HLafonte@aol.com wrote: > > Question, > When a pulse is sent down a transmission line to find where a break in the > line is, where do they get their supply of electrons for the power supply > that is producing this pulse? (Just wondering how it's done.) (The circuit is > broken, remember) > Thanks, Butch Butch Maybe lafonte is referring to the relaxation time of a conductor. If you can make a switch enough fast to win the relaxation time, the conductor can give electrons from the virtual flux particles from vacuum. But, where is this switch? Vicente. -- Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga E-mail: vramos@ctv.es Home Page: http://www.ctv.es/USERS/vramos/home.htm Burriana (Castellon) SPAIN From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 10 14:00:03 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id NAA27701; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 13:59:17 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 13:59:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33ED81D3.7414@mail.dux.ru> Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 12:54:43 +0400 From: "Alexander V. Frolov" Reply-To: frolov@mail.dux.ru Organization: Home Lab X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Free Energy Effect by Hertz-Quincke-Sumoto. Let's patent it... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"yAJxj2.0.Wm6.TkYxp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4892 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Sirs, If you know, in 1881 Hertz discovered the effect: the dielectrical solid-state rotor (ball or cylinder) would be self-accelerated if it is placed inside of the electrical field that must be created in liguid or gaseous dielectric. Then G.Quincke (Germany) and I.Sumoto (Japan) and K.Polivanov (Russia) develop the topic. So, the field is free (after you created it between the plates of the capacitor there is a very small needs for the input power), rotor is self-accelerated (that is the fact), the generator would produce output power (in the amount that is according to design). Let's try to get for the patent application on this device. Anybody here wish to spent the time and funds for it? All we need is some conversation of well-known effect into free energy application. Please, direct reply to alex@frolov.spb.ru. Alexander V. Frolov From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 10 14:06:37 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id OAA13682; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 14:05:54 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 14:05:54 -0700 X-Sender: rmuha@mail Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <970810141928_-253655558@emout10.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 17:05:40 -0400 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: ralph muha Subject: Re: Pumping electrons from where? Resent-Message-ID: <"4WE3K1.0.hL3.nqYxp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4893 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >When a pulse is sent down a transmission line to find where a break in the >line is, where do they get their supply of electrons for the power supply >that is producing this pulse? (Just wondering how it's done.) (The circuit is >broken, remember) doesn't a transmission line have a certain amount of inherent capacitance? with one end open, measuring the capacitance will determine the length of the line (given that you know the capacitance per unit-length) ... r From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 10 14:53:17 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id OAA02363; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 14:52:26 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 14:52:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: rmuha@mail Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 17:51:02 -0400 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: ralph muha Subject: some interesting reading... Resent-Message-ID: <"NEgSl2.0.na.MWZxp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4894 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I found the following note in sci.physics.electromag: >When I taught physics at university level, I thought the EM fields of light >were wholly transverse. In retirement, I've pondered all the things one >knows but which do not connect. I've decided that light is photons, and that >photons are compact distributions of EM fields at their moment of birth. >Then, time dilation ensures that we cannot observe any change, evolution, or >oscillation, from birth until death of the photon. >I have looked very hard at the Hertz solution for an oscillating electric >dipole, and it appears in error because time is treated as Galilean. Put the >clock at the source, and the vector potential at the field point is no longer >a function of "retarded time". And, without this, the TEM solution does not >obtain. Instead, there is a 1/r^2 B field and a 1/r E field. In short, the >TEM solution does not arise from the Hertz treatment when time is treated >as an observable instead of as in the Galilean transformation. >I've put these ideas together in an eprint available from the aps eprint >server, as aps1997jun30_003. >Light is photons, and photons do not oscillate. >r.l. collins A search of the APS print server (http://publish.aps.org/eprint) revealed five papers by the author: > 1.Is Gravity Electromagnetic? (12 pages) > R.L. Collins, retired, e-mail rlcasa@shelley.dbstech.com or > rlcasa@aol.com > aps1997apr15_001 Gravitation----Speculative Ideas > > 2.No TEM waves in photons (3 pages) > Collins, R.L. > aps1997feb11_002 Particles and Fields----Speculative Ideas > > 3.A vector potential description of linear momentum, and > consequences (12 pages) > R.L. Collins, retired, e-mail rlcasa@shelley.dbstech.com or > rlcasa@aol.com > aps1997feb28_006 Speculative Ideas > > 4.The Longest Range Electric Field, and Gravity (4 pages) > Collins, R. L. > aps1997jun30_003 Gravitation----Speculative Ideas > > 5.A Death Knell for TEM Waves (4 pages) > R.L. Collins, retired, e-mail rlcasa@shelley.dbstech.com or > rlcasa@aol.com > aps1997may27_003 Speculative Ideas From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 10 16:09:03 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id QAA11136; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 16:06:59 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 16:06:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708102359.SAA26761@csrlink.net> From: "Jim Shaffer, Jr." To: Subject: Fw: IMPOSSIBLE INVENTIONS THAT WORK Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 18:54:07 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"2e0Y01.0.vj2.Gcaxp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4895 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > From: Robert Drake > To: philadelphiaexperiment@rustshield.com > Subject: IMPOSSIBLE INVENTIONS THAT WORK > Date: Saturday, August 09, 1997 6:01 PM > > An Article In Issue Number 4 > > TOP 10 IMPOSSIBLE INVENTIONS THAT WORK > By Jeane Manning > > When Leonardo da Vinci sketched out an impossible invention, > fifteenth-century scholars probably put him down. Forget it, Leon. If > machines could fly, we'd know about it. > > Throughout history, experts tell innovators that their inventions are > impossible. A few examples: > > o The English Academy of Science laughed at Benjamin Franklin > when he reported his discovery of the lightning rod, and the Academy > refused to publish his report. > > o A gathering of German engineers in 1902 ridiculed Count > Ferdinand von Zeppelin for claiming to invent a steerable balloon. > (Later, Zeppelin airships flew commercially across the Atlantic.) > > o Major newspapers ignored the historic 1903 flight of the Wright > brothers airplane because Scientific American suggested the flight was > a hoax, and for five years officials in Washington, D.C. did not believe > that the heavier-than-air machine had flown. > > Perhaps in the 21st century the following inventions will be standard > science, and a history student may wonder why 20th-century pundits > disregarded them. > > 1. THE SPACE ENERGY CONVERTER > > This class of inventions could wipe out oil crises and help solve > environmental problems. More commonly called free energy or fuelless > electric generators, they put out more power than goes into them from > any previously recognized source. No batteries, no fuel tank and no link > with a wall socket. Instead, they tap an invisible source of power. Such > unorthodox clean energy-producing devices exist today and were built > as far back as the l9th century. > > Forget the Rube Goldberg mechanical perpetual motion contraptions; they > had to stop eventually. In contrast, new solid-state (no moving > parts) energy converters are said to draw from an energy field in > surrounding space. This source of abundant power is known by physicists > as the zero-point quantum fluctuations of vacuum space. Zero-point > refers to the fact that even at a temperature at which heat movement in > molecules stops cold, zero degrees Kelvin, there is still a jiggling > movement, said to be from interdimensional fluctuations or cosmic > energy. Magnetism and vortexian or spin-upon-a-spin motions seem to > line up these random fluctuations of space and put them to work, as in > the Searl Effect (Atlantis Rising, first issue). > > Inventors give various names to their space-energy converters. In the > 1930s a scientist in Utah, T. Henry Moray, invented a Radiant Energy > device powered from the sea of energy in which the earth floats. This > sea that surrounds us, Moray said, is packed with rays which constantly > pierce the earth from all directions, perhaps from countless galaxies. > Converting this cosmic background radiation into a strange cold form of > electricity, his device lit incandescent bulbs, heated a flat iron and > ran a motor. His sons say he was thanked with bullets and other > harassments, but that's another story. > > A spiritual commune in Switzerland had a tabletop free energy device > running in greenhouses for years, but members feared that outsiders > would turn the technology into weaponry. Before the commune closed its > doors to snoopers, European engineers witnessed the converter > putting out thousands of watts. However, most other unorthodox energy > technologies are still at the stage of unreliable, crude prototypes. (So > was the Wrights first airplane; it only flew about a hundred feet.) > > The inventor of AC (alternating current) electrical generating and > transmission systems, the genius Nikola Tesla (1857-1943), was said to > have run a Pierce-Arrow car on a free energy device in the 1930s. > Although that's difficult to document now, we have his word that it's > possible. It is a mere question of time when men will succeed in > attaching their machinery to the very wheelwork of nature, said Tesla. > > It may have been done before Tesla's time. Among the free energy > inventions of John Worrell Keely (1827-1898) is the Hydro > Pneumo-Pulsating-Vacuo motor that used cavitation (implosion) of water. > Although Keely reached an advanced understanding of the science > of vibrations, he failed to develop machines which other people could > operate. Progress continues from other directions, a company in Georgia > is selling water cavitation devices that range from 110 per cent to 300 > per cent efficient. > > Up in Vancouver, Canada, Tesla researcher John Hutchison says he has a > feel for the natural flows of a subtle primal energy. In the spring of > 1995 he showed his latest invention to the author and a mechanical > engineer. The Hutchison Converter involves crystalline materials and the > principle of electrical resonance. He twirls a few knobs to tune it, and > the energy flow is amplified until it runs a one-inch diameter Radio > Shack motor. The whirring of a small propeller isn't too impressive > until you remember that there are no batteries and the device runs for > days at a time. > > The garage inventors come from many backgrounds. Wingate Lambertson > Ph.D. of Florida, former executive director of Kentucky's science > and technology commission, invented a device which converts the space > energy fluctuations into electricity which lights a row of lamps. This > dignified former professor took a roundabout route to the free-energy > scene. In the mid-1960s he read There Is a River by Thomas Sugree, who > writes about the destruction of Atlantis through misuse of a crystal > energy collector. Lambertson's psychic friend later offered to > collaborate on replicating the first Atlantean energy converter, but > Lambertson eventually turned to his own knowledge of ceramics and metals > to develop an energy converter. Neither his nor other known zero-point > energy conversion methods of today are based on the first Atlantean > crystal method, because the researchers found better methods. Also, the > concept of a central power station providing electric power to a nation > is obsolete, says Dr. Lambertson. Small energy converters will follow > the path of the personal converter. > > 2. COLD FUSION > > In Japan, cold fusion is called New Hydrogen Energy, and that > oil-dependent nation welcomes successful experiments. In contrast, two > pioneering experimenters were hounded out of North America. David Lewis > described this scene as Heavy Watergate in Atlantis Rising, issue > two. > > Update: A successful experiment was served up in Monte Carlo in April, > at the Fifth International Conference on Cold Fusion. Clean Energy > Technologies Inc. of Florida demonstrated a cold fusion cell with energy > output as much as ten times more than input. Other companies are > also gambling on this new source of heat energy which could drive > electric generators. > > What exactly causes atomic nuclei to fuse, and release energy, without > extreme high temperatures and pressures? A Romanian physicist > writing in Infinite Energy magazine, Dr. Peter Gluck, wonders if it > could be only partly a catalytic nuclear effect, and partly a catalytic > quantum effect providing the capture of the zero-point energy, The > ubiquitous z-p energy. > > 3. SYSTEM TO SPLIT WATER FOR FUEL BY USING RESONANCE > > Another variation on the water-fuel theme relies more on vibrations than > on chemistry. At more than 100 per cent efficiency, such a system > produces hydrogen gas and oxygen from ordinary water at normal > temperatures and pressure. > > One example is U.S. Patent 4,394,230, Method and Apparatus for Splitting > Water Molecules, issued to Dr. Andrija Puharich in 1983. His method > made complex electrical wave forms resonate water molecules and shatter > them, which freed hydrogen and oxygen. By using Tesla's > understanding of electrical resonance, Puharich was able to split the > water molecule much more efficiently than the brute-force electrolysis > that every physics student knows. (Resonance is what shatters a crystal > goblet when an opera singer hits the exact note which vibrates with the > crystal's molecular structure.) > > Puharich reportedly drove his mobile home using only water as fuel for > several hundred thousand kilometers in trips across North America. In > a high Mexican mountain pass he had to make do with snow for fuel. > Splitting water molecules as needed in a vehicle is more revolutionary > than the hydrogen-powered systems with which every large auto > manufacturer has dallied. With the on-demand system, you don't need to > carry a tank full of hydrogen fuel which could be a potential bomb. > > Another inventor who successfully made fuel out of water on the spot was > the late Francisco Pacheco of New Jersey. The Pacheco Bi-Polar > Autoelectric Hydrogen Generator (U.S. Patent No. 5,089,107) separated > hydrogen from seawater as needed. > > A pioneer in breaking down water into hydrogen and oxygen without heat > or ordinary electricity, John Worrell Keely reportedly performed > feats which 20th-century science is unable to duplicate. He worked with > sound and other vibrations to set machines into motion. To liberate > energy in molecules of water, Keely poured a quart of water into a > cylinder where tuning forks vibrated at the exact frequency to liberate > the energy. Does this mean he broke apart the water molecules and > liberated hydrogen, or did he free a more primal form of energy? The > records which could answer such questions are lost. However, a century > later, Keely is being vindicated. One scientist recently discovered that > Keely was correct in predicting the exact frequency which would burst > apart a water molecule. Keely understood atoms to be intricate vibratory > phenomena. > > 4. SYSTEM FOR SENDING POWER WIRELESSLY > > Look, Mom Earth, no power lines! > > Tesla may have wanted to voice such a boast, but it didn't turn out that > way; the world is crisscrossed with transmission lines for the > electrical power grid. His invention for sending electrical power > wirelessly wasn't too popular on Wall Street. > > Before the power brokers figured out what he was up to, Tesla built a > tower-topped laboratory near what is now Colorado Springs. He filled the > mountain air with thunderous manmade lightning bolts and pounded the > earth with electrical oscillations as he tested ideas about electrical > resonance. Then he returned to New York to build Wardenclyffe, a complex > wooden tower on Long Island from which he planned to send both > communications and power wirelessly. When banker J. Pierpont Morgan > realized Tesla could make it possible for anyone to stick an antenna in > the ground anywhere and get electrical power, the banker cut off the > inventor's funding and blocked other financial deals that Tesla tried to > make. Wardenclyffe tower was torn down and sold for scrap. > > In recent years, scientists such as James Corum Ph.D. have learned that > Tesla did successfully test a wireless system in Colorado. For example, > Tesla knew specific frequencies associated with the earth-ionosphere > waveguide, knowledge he could not have had in the nineteenth century > unless he had sent electrical oscillations wirelessly. > > 5. ANTI-GRAVITY DEVICE > > In 1923 Townsend T. Brown's simple flying discs demonstrated a > connection between electricity and gravitation. Working along these > lines for twenty-eight- more years, Brown patented (U.S. Patents > 2,949,550, 3,018,394 and others) an electrostatic propulsion method. > Starting with two-feet-in-diameter suspended discs flying around a pole > at seventeen feet per second, he increased the size by a third, and the > discs flew so fast that the results were highly classified, said an > international aviation magazine in 1956. Before the end of his life > Brown had apparatus that could lift itself directly when electricity was > applied. He died in 1985. > > The bottom line: if electrogravitics is developed, we could have an > electric spacecraft technology which does not obey known electromagnetic > principles. The craft would thrust in any direction, without moving > engine parts. No gears, shafts, propellers or wheels. > > Coupling effects between electricity or magnetism and gravity are shown > by other experimenters, including David Hamel of Ontario and Floyd > Sparky Sweet of California. At a 1981 symposium in Toronto, Rudolf > Zinsser of Germany demonstrated a device (U.S. Patent 4,085,384) that > propelled itself, according to credible witnesses such as professional > engineer George Hathaway. Zinsser claimed his specifically shaped > pulses of electromagnetic waves altered the local gravitational field. > > Hathaway collaborated in the mid-1980s with John Hutchison on > action-at-a-distance experiments in which heavy pieces of metal > levitated and shot toward the ceiling when put in a complex > electromagnetic field, and some metal samples shredded anomalously. > Visitors to the laboratory came from Los Alamos and the Canadian > department of defense. (The military is a quantum leap ahead of the > academics in spooky science.) > > Read the first issue of Atlantis Rising for a fascinating antigravity > story, John Searle's levity disk generator. > > 6. A METHOD FOR TRANSMUTATION OF ELEMENTS > > Changing atomic elements or making elements appear mysteriously? It > sounds like impossible alchemy, but experimenters recently did this, > without Big Science particle accelerators. These scientists learned from > a metaphysician, Walter Russell (1871-1963). During vivid spiritual > experiences, Russell had seen everything in the universe, from the atom > to outer space, being formed by an invisible background geometry. > Russell not only portrayed his visions in paintings, he also learned > science. He was so far ahead that in 1926 he predicted tritium, > deuterium, neptunium, plutonium and other elements. > > Recently, professional engineers Ron Kovac and Toby Grotz of Colorado, > with help from Dr. Tim Binder, repeated Russell's 1927 work, which > was verified at the time by Westinghouse Laboratories. Russell found a > novel way to change the ratio of hydrogen to oxygen in water vapor > inside a sealed quartz tube, or to change the vapor to completely > different elements. Their conclusion agrees with Russell: the geometry > of motion in space is important in atomic transmutation. Kovac > shorthands that idea to geometry of space-bending. > > These modern shape-shifters speak of Russell's feats such as prolate or > oblate the oxygen nucleus into nitrogen or hydrogen or vice versa. To > change nuclei, they change the shape of a magnetic field. Although they > used expensive analyzing equipment, it is basically tabletop science. > No atom-smashing cyclotron needed; just a gentle nudge using the right > frequencies. Focus and un-focus light-motion, create a vortex and > control it. > > Cold fusion researchers are also running across strange elements popping > up in their own electrified brews. No one is proposing to make gold > and upset world currencies, but some experimenters aim to clean up > radioactive waste by their novel processes. > > 7. ORGONE ACCUMULATOR > > As Wilhelm Reich, M.D., (1897-1957) moved from Europe to Scandinavia to > America, he left a trail of angry experts in every field he explored, > from psychiatry to politics to sexology, biology, microscopy and cancer > research. His work all led toward one unifying discovery, a mass-free > pulsating life-force energy he named orgone, because he discovered it in > living organisms before finding that it also permeates earth's > atmosphere. > > Reich's life ended in prison after prolonged conflict with the U.S. Food > and Drug Administration. His books and papers were burned by federal > officials because the FDA had gathered a case against use of his orgone > accumulator for therapy. The accumulator is a box made of layered > organic and inorganic materials; experiments with it show anomalous > results. An unusual temperature rise inside the accumulator indicates > limitations of the second law of thermodynamics. Whether or not > concentrated orgone can help with health problems, the accumulator does > defy standard science. > > 8. The CLOUDBUSTER' > > In 1952 Wilhelm Reich invented a method of rainmaking that doesn't > involve cloudseeding with chemicals. Cloudbusting, otherwise known as > etheric weather engineering, invokes principles that are hard for the > conventionally trained mind to accept. The technology is low-tech; point > some hollow metal pipes at the sky and connect their lower ends into > running water. But unless you know both meteorology and orgonamy, > please don't try this at home, on our planet. > > Among the properties of the primordial energy, orgone, Reich observed, > are its absorption into water, its role in controlling weather and its > dangerous state when excited by radioactivity. The planet doesn't need > any more mad-scientist experimenters manipulating natural systems, > but it may need a more advanced understanding of what nuclear power > plant emissions do to the atmosphere. (Reich's followers warn that the > planet's life-force is disturbed by the excess radioactivity.) > > 9. THE RIFE MICROSCOPE & FREQUENCY GENERATOR > > In the late 1920s Royal Raymond Rife of San Diego invented a > high-magnification, high-resolution light microscope. This meant that he > could see unstained living cells, unlike the dead specimens seen under > an electron microscope. Basically, he developed an electromagnetic > frequency generator which he could tune to the natural frequency of the > micro-organism under study. Further, he learned that certain > electromagnetic frequencies could kill specific bacterial forms. > > New discoveries in biophysics not only shed light on the illumination > process of Rife's microscope, they also explain how he could selectively > explode viruses. His concept of shape changing bacteria indicates that > traditional germ-theory dogma is incomplete. Despite documented > cures, his non-drug, painless electrical treatment of diseases was not > welcomed by a powerful medical union. > > 10. ELECTRONIC TELEPATHY DEVICE > > When Patrick Flanagan was a teenager in the early 1960s, Life magazine > listed him as one of the top scientists in the world. Among his > inventions was the Neurophone, an electronic instrument that can program > suggestions into a person directly through skin contact. He made > the first Neurophone at age fourteen, out of kitchen junk, his > electrodes were scouring pads made of fine copper wire and insulated > with plastic bags. He then wired the electrodes to a special transformer > attached to a hi-fi amplifier. Holding the pads on his temples, he could > hear, inside his head, music from the amplifier. Later models > automatically adjusted the signal to resonate with the human subject's > skin as part of a complex circuit. Patent officials said it was > impossible for a sound to be heard clearly without vibrating bones or > going through a crucial nerve of the ear, and refused for 12 years to > patent it. The file was re-opened when a nerve-deaf employee at the > patent office did hear with a Neurophone. > > At one time Flanagan researched man/dolphin language, on contracts with > the U.S. Navy. This led to a 3-D holographic sound system that could > place sounds in any location in space. He then perfected a Neurophone > model which could be used for subliminal learning that would go into the > brain's long-term memory banks. But after he sent in a patent > application on a digital Neurophone, the Defense Intelligence Agency > slapped on a Secrecy Order and he was unable to work on the device or > talk to anyone about it for five years. This was discouraging, since the > first patent took twelve years to get. > > Having helped certain deaf people to hear, Flanagan's next miracle could > be to help the blind to see. All we have to do is stimulate the skin > with the right signals. > > With public acceptance of inventions such as space-energy converters and > super-learning devices, perhaps today's innovators will pull the > establishment, kicking and scoffing, into a new world view before the > 21st century. However, figure that there will always be experts to say > Forget it: such things are impossible. > > More space-energy converters will be pictured in a book by Jeane > Manning, forthcoming from Avery Publishing Group this winter. > > http://www.aa.net/~mwm/atlantis/issue4/ar4topten.html > > Issue #4 Index > Atlantis Rising Copyright 1994-1996 - all rights reserved > P.O. Box 441, Livingston, Montana 59047 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 10 18:19:14 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id SAA17725; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 18:18:35 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 18:18:35 -0700 From: Keasy@aol.com Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 21:17:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970810211718_463008628@emout08.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Idea, any interest? Resent-Message-ID: <"RmszM3.0.sK4.gXcxp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4896 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: A few days ago I proposed a circuit in which a battery supplied power to a resistor without any conductor of any kind between the battery and resistor. There were some questions, so I decided to verbally describe what I had in mind. After almost two pages of description I gave up and decided to just add a figure (it seems almost true that a figure is worth 1000 words) and description linked to my web page. I will post a note when it is up. Sorry for the delay. Ken Keasy@aol.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 10 19:01:32 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id TAA26164; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 19:00:44 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 19:00:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708110200.TAA18227@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: Time rate and extra power Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 18:33:07 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"MeFiR.0.jO6.A9dxp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4897 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Peter and all! > >True, but my hunch is that either changes in the reactance of circuits, or > >changes in the rate of spin of massive discs are the ways to get to these > >effects easily. > > > > How about the effects of spatial (field) distortion upon virtual particles? I don't know. How do you get virtual particles to the point where they become measurable quantities? > > >You've expressed this idea before and I understood that you were saying the > >source of spin orientation was the gravity field of earth. Is that still > >your idea? > > > > I believe gravity is a function of rotation. I was referring to the whole field. So gravity doesn't appear in objects that aren't rotating? Not a criticism-- for the whole physical universe may well be rotating in relations to an absloute reference frame. > Electrons migrate to the outside of a curved surface, thereby creating a > zero or scalar field which constitutes a reciprocal force. Always interesting ideas, Peter, although I am struggling with how to put these concepts into a usable form. My theory about time is commonsensical, relatively simple to implement, and testable. Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 10 19:03:55 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id TAA26469; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 19:03:17 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 19:03:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Keasy@aol.com Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 22:01:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970810220123_1551588241@emout14.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Question on simple dc circuit Resent-Message-ID: <"2Nnph2.0.OT6.XBdxp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4898 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Butch, A few quick comments that may be useful: Superconductors to first order have inductance just like any other conductor of that shape. What they do not have is resistance. Most of the configurations you are describing are best treated as transmission lines. For a transmission line, to a voltage source you place across it the line looks like a steady resistance of the characteristic impedance of the transmission line. Nothing happens at the source other than a constant current until the wave reaches the end of the transmission line and is reflected back, eventually reaching the source and changing the apparent impedance of the line (as seen by your voltage source). By measuring this delay time, incidently, you can accurately determine the length of the line (time domain reflectometer). But whether or not the line is superconducting changes little (things work better, because we often ignore resistance losses). Hope this is of some use. Ken Keasy@aol.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 10 20:34:07 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id UAA06083; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 20:33:17 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 20:33:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: darknet.net: Host ts1-ap49.bmts.com [204.191.100.149] claimed to be bmts.com.bmts.com Message-ID: <33EE8762.13DD@darknet.net> Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 23:30:42 -0400 From: Steve Reply-To: darklord@darknet.net Organization: DarkNet Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Power Supplies References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"D_Dhh.0.yU1.wVexp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4899 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > Hi, :) > I've been searching for a battery powered supply for the grav coil, as > well. I've found one that will do quite well from the "Hoverboard Design > Manual", by Bill Butler. It uses a transistor oscillator circuit, a > flyback transformer, and a series of hv caps and diodes. > Kyle, if you wish a copy of the circuit, please send me a snail mail > address, and I'll send you a photocopy of the schematics, etc. > Regards, > John Hi John, would it be possible for me to get a copy of those schematics as well? thanks! Steve King 854 Huron Terrace Kincardine, Ontario Canada N2Z-2Y1 ttyl -- Steve (aka DaRkLoRD) | darklord@darknet.net UIN: 2149500 | www.darknet.net/darklord DarkNet Technologies: http://www.darknet.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 10 20:39:56 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id UAA07400; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 20:39:09 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 20:39:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 22:36:02 -0500 (CDT) From: Zack Widup Subject: Re: Pumping electrons from where? To: Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: <33EE2969.1F9C@ctv.es> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"nJ5kl2.0.Pp1.Lbexp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4900 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Sun, 10 Aug 1997, Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga wrote: > HLafonte@aol.com wrote: > > > > Question, > > When a pulse is sent down a transmission line to find where a break in the > > line is, where do they get their supply of electrons for the power supply > > that is producing this pulse? (Just wondering how it's done.) (The circuit is > > broken, remember) > > Thanks, Butch > Butch > Maybe lafonte is referring to the relaxation time of a conductor. If you > can make a switch enough fast to win the relaxation time, the conductor > can give electrons from the virtual flux particles from vacuum. But, > where is this switch? > Vicente. I thought he was referring to a TDR (time-domain reflectometer). I built one using a 74S121 Schottky TTL monostable one-shot device as the source of pulses. Zack From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 10 20:44:55 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id UAA09867; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 20:43:58 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 20:43:58 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: darknet.net: Host ts1-ap49.bmts.com [204.191.100.149] claimed to be bmts.com.bmts.com Message-ID: <33EE8A29.64C@darknet.net> Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 23:42:33 -0400 From: Steve Reply-To: darklord@darknet.net Organization: DarkNet Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Fwd: INFRA- RED INQUIRE] References: <33E7C0AE.5D65@keelynet.com> <33E80CCC.611@swbell.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"BD7P63.0.4Q2.zfexp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4901 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > > DEAR SIR, > > RECENTLY I FOUND ON YOUR SITE ABOUT A > > WEEK AGO , A HYPERLINK THAT HAD A METHOD > > FOR MAKING YOUR OWN INFRA-RED GLASSES. > > THIS SITE GAVE THE COMPANY AND CHEMICAL > > NAME FOR DESIGNING SUCH ITEMS, WITH UP TO > > 2000 TIMES LIGHT GAIN, THIS SITE LASTED ONLY > > ONE DAY, CAN YOU HELP ME ON THIS INFO. I don't know about a 2000 times light gain IR viewing, but a couple weeks ago I was visiting Brampton Ontario, and I was looking through a book called "Gadgeteers Goldmine", and one of the chapters was on how to make an IR scope with relatively cheap parts.. it looked fairly easy, and this is definately one of the projects I'd like to try sometime. This book is available from Amazon, and I am planning on purchasing it.. does anyone else have this book or has seen it? - Gordon McComb's Gadgeteer's Goldmine! : 55 Space-Age Projects by Gordon McComb 1st Ed. Paperback Published by Tab Books Publication date: August 1990 ISBN: 0071559833 $19.96 - ttyl -- Steve (aka DaRkLoRD) | darklord@darknet.net UIN: 2149500 | www.darknet.net/darklord DarkNet Technologies: http://www.darknet.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 10 20:53:26 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id UAA10958; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 20:52:45 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 20:52:45 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: darknet.net: Host ts1-ap49.bmts.com [204.191.100.149] claimed to be bmts.com.bmts.com Message-ID: <33EE8C31.5B3B@darknet.net> Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 23:51:13 -0400 From: Steve Reply-To: darklord@darknet.net Organization: DarkNet Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: ATTN: kyle -> G.R.C. Thoughts References: <199708060240.VAA24729@ns.vvm.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"9Nfaj2.0.4h2.Boexp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4902 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: In the pilot episode that premiered a few years ago, the "Sliding Machine" on "Earth Prime" looked a lot like the gravity resonance coil. > > Good Luck, > -Brent Well, he did say he was originally doing anti-gravity experiments, didn't he? ;) (I haven't seen the pilot for a couple years, altho I have it on tape somewhere.. I'll go watch it sometime soon) ttyl -- Steve (aka DaRkLoRD) | darklord@darknet.net UIN: 2149500 | www.darknet.net/darklord DarkNet Technologies: http://www.darknet.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 10 21:15:50 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id VAA14750; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 21:15:00 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 21:15:00 -0700 From: geoff@compcafe.co.uk (Geoff Greaves) Reply-To: geoff@compcafe.co.uk To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Big Newman motor project stopped due to: Date: 10 Aug 1997 19:10:47 GMT Message-Id: <3007971261.21039294@compcafe.co.uk> Organization: via Computer Cafes FC BBS Wales, UK Resent-Message-ID: <"cH8VF1.0.Mc3.37fxp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4903 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Your message to the Powys Telecentres conference will be forwarded to the Powys Telecentres List Server (powys.tc-l@cc.ruralwales.org) Please use the List, not the BBS conference, for future messages. Thank you. ---------------------------------------- >From Geoff Greaves: geoff@compcafe.co.uk ---------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 10 21:17:07 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id VAA14961; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 21:16:04 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 21:16:04 -0700 From: geoff@compcafe.co.uk (Geoff Greaves) Reply-To: geoff@compcafe.co.uk To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Re: Carbon arc process Date: 10 Aug 1997 19:10:57 GMT Message-Id: <2114908158.21040450@compcafe.co.uk> Organization: via Computer Cafes FC BBS Wales, UK Resent-Message-ID: <"FF9Ld.0.cf3.38fxp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4904 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Your message to the Powys Telecentres conference will be forwarded to the Powys Telecentres List Server (powys.tc-l@cc.ruralwales.org) Please use the List, not the BBS conference, for future messages. Thank you. ---------------------------------------- >From Geoff Greaves: geoff@compcafe.co.uk ---------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 10 21:18:32 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id VAA11932; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 21:17:24 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 21:17:24 -0700 (PDT) From: geoff@compcafe.co.uk (Geoff Greaves) Reply-To: geoff@compcafe.co.uk To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Re: risque patent infringements Date: 10 Aug 1997 19:10:52 GMT Message-Id: <2425483262.21039914@compcafe.co.uk> Organization: via Computer Cafes FC BBS Wales, UK Resent-Message-ID: <"1yQr_.0.Iw2.E9fxp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4905 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Your message to the Powys Telecentres conference will be forwarded to the Powys Telecentres List Server (powys.tc-l@cc.ruralwales.org) Please use the List, not the BBS conference, for future messages. Thank you. ---------------------------------------- >From Geoff Greaves: geoff@compcafe.co.uk ---------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 10 21:21:48 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id VAA12072; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 21:18:12 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 21:18:12 -0700 (PDT) From: geoff@compcafe.co.uk (Geoff Greaves) Reply-To: geoff@compcafe.co.uk To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Re: None at this time Date: 10 Aug 1997 19:11:04 GMT Message-Id: <1355870206.21041089@compcafe.co.uk> Organization: via Computer Cafes FC BBS Wales, UK Resent-Message-ID: <"skTw72.0.Xy2.0Afxp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4906 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Your message to the Powys Telecentres conference will be forwarded to the Powys Telecentres List Server (powys.tc-l@cc.ruralwales.org) Please use the List, not the BBS conference, for future messages. Thank you. ---------------------------------------- >From Geoff Greaves: geoff@compcafe.co.uk ---------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 10 21:23:48 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id VAA12579; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 21:21:54 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 21:21:54 -0700 (PDT) From: geoff@compcafe.co.uk (Geoff Greaves) Reply-To: geoff@compcafe.co.uk To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Re : Re: Dragone Paper Date: 10 Aug 1997 19:11:07 GMT Message-Id: <1868619677.21041663@compcafe.co.uk> Organization: via Computer Cafes FC BBS Wales, UK Resent-Message-ID: <"dI5CP1.0.Q43.TDfxp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4907 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Your message to the Powys Telecentres conference will be forwarded to the Powys Telecentres List Server (powys.tc-l@cc.ruralwales.org) Please use the List, not the BBS conference, for future messages. Thank you. ---------------------------------------- >From Geoff Greaves: geoff@compcafe.co.uk ---------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 10 21:24:37 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id VAA12897; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 21:23:15 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 21:23:15 -0700 (PDT) From: geoff@compcafe.co.uk (Geoff Greaves) Reply-To: geoff@compcafe.co.uk To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Re: Flyod Sweet VTA Date: 10 Aug 1997 19:11:24 GMT Message-Id: <302383103.21043952@compcafe.co.uk> Organization: via Computer Cafes FC BBS Wales, UK Resent-Message-ID: <"FAwP03.0.O93.dEfxp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4908 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Your message to the Powys Telecentres conference will be forwarded to the Powys Telecentres List Server (powys.tc-l@cc.ruralwales.org) Please use the List, not the BBS conference, for future messages. Thank you. ---------------------------------------- >From Geoff Greaves: geoff@compcafe.co.uk ---------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 10 21:24:26 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id VAA16078; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 21:23:48 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 21:23:48 -0700 From: geoff@compcafe.co.uk (Geoff Greaves) Reply-To: geoff@compcafe.co.uk To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Updated QField models Date: 10 Aug 1997 19:11:15 GMT Message-Id: <1079635934.21042770@compcafe.co.uk> Organization: via Computer Cafes FC BBS Wales, UK Resent-Message-ID: <"clpo-2.0.7x3.JFfxp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4909 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Your message to the Powys Telecentres conference will be forwarded to the Powys Telecentres List Server (powys.tc-l@cc.ruralwales.org) Please use the List, not the BBS conference, for future messages. Thank you. ---------------------------------------- >From Geoff Greaves: geoff@compcafe.co.uk ---------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 10 21:34:51 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id VAA14290; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 21:33:39 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 21:33:39 -0700 (PDT) From: MFergerson@aol.com Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 00:31:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970811003149_1249795412@emout11.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: experimental time wave generator Resent-Message-ID: <"fBRmO1.0.BV3.WOfxp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4910 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Fred Epps said (in part); >...there are two ways to test. One is by putting the probe on the same >frequency as the time wave generator to see if there is a phase change or >other change when the L begins ramping down. This method is subject to >entrainment.The other is to use oscillators of arbitrary frequency and look >for effects when the time generator is turned on. This technique is less >likely to produce arifacts, but if the inertial radiative effects depend on >some sort of rough synchrony then they would be eliminated with this >testing. There has been much speculation in some of the Physics Newsgroups re: testing for time distortion effects in speculative hardware designs. The problems are at least twofold and related to the methods involved: passing a light beam through the affected volume will probably give a null result for the same reason passing it through a glass of water gives no indication of the conditions inside the glass; the light changes velocity ( rate of oscillation in the case of the 'time machine') on the way out so as to cancel the effect on the way in. You didn't address this, probably intuiting the problem before it occured. The other method involves embedding an oscillator inside the affected volume (presumably synched to another outside) and watching for variations in the clock rate. The difficulty here seems related to the 'twin paradox' to most folks; as the device is powered up, the internal time rate changes, but as it powers down, the time rate returns to normal (whatever that is), so the only variation we should see in clock rate is DURING the powerup-powerdown cycle. The solution would seem to be some way to determine the 'age' of the clock after the machine is powered down. This is equivalent to determining which twin experienced acceleration in resolving the 'twin paradox'. The only kind of clock that seems to fit the bill is an hourglass, but putting one in a varying gravity field would seem to defeat the purpose here... Incidentally, were you planning to increase or decrease local G inside the thing? And how do you tell which in advance? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 10 21:43:03 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id VAA15037; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 21:42:11 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 21:42:11 -0700 (PDT) From: geoff@compcafe.co.uk (Geoff Greaves) Reply-To: geoff@compcafe.co.uk To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Big Newman motor project / Butch Date: 10 Aug 1997 19:11:11 GMT Message-Id: <3007938103.21042149@compcafe.co.uk> Organization: via Computer Cafes FC BBS Wales, UK Resent-Message-ID: <"4fr6E1.0.qg3.VWfxp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4911 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Your message to the Powys Telecentres conference will be forwarded to the Powys Telecentres List Server (powys.tc-l@cc.ruralwales.org) Please use the List, not the BBS conference, for future messages. Thank you. ---------------------------------------- >From Geoff Greaves: geoff@compcafe.co.uk ---------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 10 22:34:54 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id WAA26222; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 22:33:36 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 22:33:36 -0700 Message-ID: <33EEB239.9FC@sunherald.infi.net> Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 23:33:30 -0700 From: kyle Reply-To: stk@sunherald.infi.net Organization: InfiNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: ATTN: kyle -> G.R.C. Thoughts References: <199708060240.VAA24729@ns.vvm.com> <33EE8C31.5B3B@darknet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"KRq3r1.0.ZP6.lGgxp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4912 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Steve wrote: > > In the pilot episode that premiered a few years ago, the "Sliding > Machine" on "Earth Prime" looked a lot like the gravity resonance coil. Yeah, thats true. It had some sort of rotating armature in the center of the coil. > > > > Good Luck, > > -Brent > > Well, he did say he was originally doing anti-gravity experiments, > didn't he? ;) (I haven't seen the pilot for a couple years, altho I have > it on tape somewhere.. I'll go watch it sometime soon) Come to think of it, you're right. He did mention AG. Wonder who thought of that for the show... ShadowHawk?!? (who knows....) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 11 07:02:31 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id HAA10212; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 07:01:56 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 07:01:56 -0700 X-Sender: "Stefan Hartmann" X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Re: Marinov4s SCIENTIFIC TESTAMENT Cc: newman-l@emachine.com Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 16:05:21 MET Message-Id: <19970811160521.05558e20.in@pop3.vossnet.de> Resent-Message-ID: <"eDTmp1.0.SV2.Ijnxp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4913 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >>From schneide@ens.ascom.ch Mon Aug 11 11:59:21 1997 >Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 11:53:24 +0200 >From: schneide@ens.ascom.ch (Schneider Adolf, 3809) >To: harti@harti.com >Subject: Re: Marinov > >Hallo, Stefan > >Letzten Freitag und Samstag war der Sohn von Stefan Marinov in Graz und hat mit dem Notar die ganzen Angelegenheit abgesprochen. Er hat sich mit einigen Freunden Stefans amn Freitagabend getroffen und J=F6rg Deisting beauftragt, verschiedene Angelegenheit zu regeln. Inzwischen habe ich auch das wissenschaftliche Testament gefaxt bekommen. Falls Du ein Fax hast, kann ich es Dir auch noch zufaxen. Ich schreibe hier mal den kurzen Text ab, damit Du ihn ins Internet weitergeben kannst. Das Testament ist wahrscheinlich von Graz aus bereits gefaxt worden Prof. Panos Pappas, Prof. Umberto Partocci, Prof. George Galeczki und Hal Fox. =DCbrigens: Die von Dir angegebenen Mailinglisten sind wohl keine Adresse, die ich via Altavista finde. Jedenfalls suchte ich unter "Stefan Marinov" und fand keine Mitteilungen. Eigentlich m=FCsste z.B. Hal Fox inzwischen eine Meldung gebracht haben. > >Das Testament ist geschrieben auf dem Briefpapier mit Briefkopf "Deutsche Physik". > > MY SCIENTIFIC TESTAMENT > > =7FAfter having walked so many years on the thorny way of truth, I became tired. My books and papers are my scientific testament.=20 > I hope that soon the absolute (Newtonian) space-time concepts which I restored by numerous experiments and by simple mathematical theory will be accepted by the scientific community as those corresponding to physical= reality. > I hope that the perpetual motion machines, of which I constructed many prototypes without closing the energetic circle, will successfully be built by other people. > And if my achievements in space-time physics, in electrodynamics and in the domain of the violation of the laws of conservation will be silenced also after my death, by leaving this world I can only repeat the eternal words: feci quod potui. > >Graz, 15 July 1997 > > Stefan MARINOV > > Signature =7FS. Marinov > > > -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 11 08:02:55 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id IAA00452; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 08:01:47 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 08:01:47 -0700 (PDT) From: JNaudin509@aol.com Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 10:58:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970811105657_-1874344416@emout07.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, tv@juno.com cc: gwatson@microtronics.com.au Subject: About Dragone Paper.... Resent-Message-ID: <"7vIFp1.0.w6.Pboxp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4914 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi All and Tim, Where is the whole Dragone document (with drawings), I have been able to download only the pages 1 to 9 ? Today, I have this error message on Tim D Vaughan server : "Welcome to GeoCities Unfortunately, we couldn't find the file that you're looking for at http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/4810/dragone1.htm . Are you sure you typed it correctly? " Thanks for your help. Jean-louis Naudin From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 11 08:22:29 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id IAA22325; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 08:17:24 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 08:17:24 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: darknet.net: Host ts1-ap07.bmts.com [204.191.100.107] claimed to be bmts.com.bmts.com Message-ID: <33EF2CAE.618E@darknet.net> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 11:15:58 -0400 From: Steve Reply-To: darklord@darknet.net Organization: DarkNet Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jorg Ostrowski CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Fwd: INFRA- RED INQUIRE] References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"RRX0y1.0.kS5.3qoxp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4915 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Jorg Ostrowski wrote: > > Steve: Does this book have any FE projects that may work? > Jorg No, unfortunately not. The projects were "weird" but still "conventional".. there were many projects on lasers and optics, as well as electricity, but nothing that was FE. It's still a good book, and I especially like the chapter where it explains how to build a tesla coil out of some old parts from a TV, (flyback transformer) some wire and a brass doorknob.. It would probably be a fairly good starting point for people who would like to build devices like this, but really don't know how to start. (like me.. ) ttyl -Steve -- Steve (aka DaRkLoRD) | darklord@darknet.net UIN: 2149500 | www.darknet.net/darklord DarkNet Technologies: http://www.darknet.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 11 09:46:03 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id JAA16941; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 09:43:58 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 09:43:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33EF6A25.A17@tiac.net> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 12:38:13 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Reply-To: bshannon@tiac.net Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: SMOT Mk3 Magnetic Array References: <19970808125656.139c6717.in@pop3.vossnet.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"AnQBh.0.b84.B5qxp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4916 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Stefan Hartmann wrote: > Rolling around for more than a few seconds and Greg´s unit has rolled arounmd > for several minutes requires much more energy than just raising the ball 2 cms > and let it go... As I understand it, there are four basic things that might possibly happen with the SMOT device: 1.) The ball rolls around and around, in apparent perpetual motion. (It seems that this never happens.) 2.) The ball makes a few circuits, and then becomes trapped at the magnetic field exit point. (This reportedly happens.) 3.) The ball accelerates until it gains enough velocity and momentum such that it leaves the track, and flys off into space. (Its unclear that this happens.) 4.) The ball leaves the track, and becomes fixed to some of the magnets. (I understand that this happens.) > There is much more friction rolling energy to overcome during a time > span of 4 minutes or so than you put into the system > by lifting it 2 cms and thus putting this little W=mgh potential energy into > the system. If we found that the SMOT behaves as described in case 1, it would appear that something is (exactly!) overcomming the rolling resistance, and that we have apparent perpetual motion, given that the magnets are not being effected and all. But this never happens, so.... Ok, assuming that we have case #2, the ball makes several circuits, then becomes trapped at (just short of?) the ramp exist point. This may suggest that the ball lacked sufficient velocity to escape the magnetic field as it had done in the several circuits prior to becomming 'stuck'. So it seems we may have LOST energy here, and thats why we are now stuck. Case 2 therefore argues against over unity operation IMHO. > Also the cause that the steel ball gets stuck is not a slowing down of the > movement, but > an acceleration, so it gets too fast and jumps out off the track ! Not when its stuck at the top of the ramp, but I may well have misread Greg's descriptions on this point. If it jumps off the track, we have case 3 or 4 here. Lets explore these: If the ball exist the track, and flys off into space, we need to know the energy the ball has at teh point of exit, and compare this with the total energy input, only then will this ratio tell us if we are over unity of not. I've never seen any discussion of this ratio being measured for SMOT. Its also unclear that case 3 behavior ever happens. Could someone clear this point up? Assuming we have case 4, where the ball has too much velocity, and leaves the track only to be drawn to one of the magnet faces. Well, too much velocity MUST mean over unity operation, right? Wrong! The simple case of a magnet attracting a bit of metal really is not that simple, because we have to do as much, or more work to free that bit of metal from the magnet face, just like compressing a spring! So if the SMOT ball gets stuck onto a magnet face, all your kenetic energy is lost, and you have an energy debt to repay to free the ball once again, clearly this cannot be over unity! > So to let it run indefinately you will have to use a soft braking effect, > maybe with a soft brush > or so to slow the ball down and keep it at constant speed ! > > Do you agree ? Yes!!! But, because I have read that the ball sometimes becomes stuck at the top of the ramp, it seems that not each and every cycle around the track results in added kenetic energy in the ball! Over unity has a clear definition given on Greg's web page, more energy out than energy in. It's a simple ratio. So far, we have discussed behavior that APPEARS, subjectivly to be over unity, but we do not have the numbers for this simple ratio that defines over unity operation. But a magnet drawing in a bit of metal APPEARS to be work done by the magnet, freely. Only when we later have to repeat this cycle do we learn that we got nothing for free from the magnet at all. We know that we are injecting SOME energy into the SMOT, and that the device does not remain in constant operation, it does stop one way or another. What becomes important here are the exact numbers for the total energy in, and energy out. If the ball remains in the SMOT device, stuck to a magnet or on the track itself, clearly we LOST energy overall. Only constant operation (unity, perpetual motion) of the ball flying off into space with a greater MEASURED energy than the total input energy casn be taken to indicate anything other than conventional, conservative operation. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 11 09:52:53 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id JAA18069; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 09:51:37 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 09:51:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33EF6BE6.DFD@tiac.net> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 12:45:42 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Reply-To: bshannon@tiac.net Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: SMOT Mk3 Magnetic Array References: <33E972AF.FF951B94@microtronics.com.au> <33EA69A0.5F17@tiac.net> <33EB2AB9.5484780B@microtronics.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"O5IZ81.0.9Q4.GCqxp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4917 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Greg Watson wrote: > > Bob Shannon wrote: > > > > If Greg is now giving the ball a gentle push from the top of the ramp, > > and the ball runs around for a while, and then gets stuck at the exit > > point, how is it that we are calling this behavior over unity? > > Have you looked at the plans, Bob? If I remove the magnetic arrays and > drop the ball, I am lucky to get more than 30% around the unit. The > ball rolling on a curved track really chews up the energy. Agreed, but have you read your own definition of over unity? If the ball stops, the input energy is gone Greg. > > Are there any measurments of the energy put into the ball vs the rolling > > resistance and other (induced, etc.) losses? Without knowing the total > > energy in vs. energy out, we don't know if the thing is OU or not! > > I say again, look at the plans and then tell me that to get the ball > back to the top of the ramp is not OU. Getting stuck at the top of the ramp IS NOT over unity, per your own definition, which I fully agree with. > > Also, there is no output energy at all, its all used to keep the ball in > > motion for whatever duration has been acheived, so we have energy input > > (the placement of the ball at the top of the ramp, and also in the puh > > given to the ball) but no clear energy output at all. Add to this the > > fact that the ball does indeed stop, and its looking like SMOT Mk3 is > > clearly under unity. > > The SMOT Mk3 circular ramp is a TOY. It was NOT designed to provide > output energy. It has two goals. > > 1) Closed Loop Operation. > 2) No adjustments. > > > As long as I've opened this can of worms..... > > > > During the discussion of the earlier ramp designs, Greg insisted that > > moving the barrier that restrained the ball from running up the ramp did > > not add energy to the system. Is this still the accepted wisdom on this > > point? > > I can't remember saying that. I never have used a restraint. That's > Jean-Louis. I always place the ball at a point where magnetic > attraction is less than friction and I then give the ball a very gentle > nudge. As far as I am aware, most duplicators use my method to start > the ball moving. Hmmm, search through your past emails for the phrease "...a thousand times NO...". > > If a spring is under compression, can we release that compression > > (stored energy) without changing the energy of the system? Nope, it > > cannot be done. Is the barrier under compression from the force acting > > on the ball? Apparently so, or the ball would not be attracted to the > > ramp. So moving the barrier is the energy needed to release the > > compression of the spring, only the spring is the ball-barrier system in > > this case, and energy was stored in this system when the ball was > > placed, and restrained at the bottom of the ramp. > > Read my above reply. > > > Is there a problem in this line of reasoning? > > Yes, it is incorrect. It is NOT what happens. If the ball is trapped by the magnet, after leaving the track? Are you quite sure? > Hi Bob, > > Bob, please build a SMOT Mk2 ramp. Its simple, quick and will give you > more information than I can give you in a dozen e-mails. There is NO > compressed spring action going on here. > > -- > Best Regards, > Greg Watson I understand your opinion here Greg, but if the bal stops at the top of the ramp, on track, you lost energy. If the ball gets stuck on a magnet, you lost energy. Neither of these two cases support claims of over-unity operation. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 11 10:12:41 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id KAA20135; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 10:05:09 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 10:05:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33EF6F12.223B@tiac.net> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 12:59:14 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Reply-To: bshannon@tiac.net Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Fwd: More SMOT improvements?] References: <33ED1C39.A3856C96@microtronics.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"9bIFz2.0.Mw4.xOqxp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4918 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Greg Watson wrote: > > Greg, I appreciate your candor here in keeping us all informed with your > > updates and so forth. I'm not trying to rouse the rabble, or accuse you of > > dishonesty or the like. I'm just trying to let you know that from my > > perspective, it appeared that you might have been getting too caught up in > > constant tinkering > > Its called development. > Its called widening out the margins. > Its called progress. > Its called change. Quite right Greg! If you simply shipped devices that were, well, lets say 'difficult', you would ahve drawn fire for that. Sounds like your being put between a rock and a hard place here! > What IE, Earth Tech and others will get are units that can do a rollaway > and not require hours of "tinkering". > > It took Scott 20 hours to get a SMOT Mk1 "Climb and Drop" to work. I > did it in 5 minutes. > > That REALLY worries me!!!!!!!!!!! > > With all respect, when they play it is tinkering, when I play its > development. I don't want them to have to tinker, that's why I am doing > the development. Now hold the phone! Others are assisting you in your research and development, this is not simple tinkering Mate! You publish their results on your web page, so these other SMOT fans are doing the same type, and the same level of work you are. Personally, I think you ought to recognise it as such. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 11 10:27:01 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id KAA22545; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 10:24:31 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 10:24:31 -0700 (PDT) From: HLafonte@aol.com Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 13:22:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970811132207_-1637003858@emout03.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: What causes a battery to run down ? Resent-Message-ID: <"2ZUTu1.0.5W5.8hqxp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4919 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Does anyone know if it's the electrical IMPULSE or the ELECTRON DRIFT thru a battery that causes the chemical change (makes the battery run down) ? I know electron drift can be slow, but if 100 billion ants are walking very slow, thats a lot of ants crossing any given point at any given time ! Your comments, Thanks, Butch From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 11 10:32:45 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id KAA23440; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 10:31:29 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 10:31:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33EF754A.7BDF@tiac.net> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 13:25:47 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Reply-To: bshannon@tiac.net Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: re: SMOT improvements. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"y685e2.0.8k5.lnqxp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4920 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >From Greg's web page: > The best results to date (2nd Aug, 1997) have been about 5 minutes of operation > before the ball gets stuck at the exit point (either doesn't drop or gets > sucked side ways). The average "Rollaround" time is just over 1 minute to date. This sounds as if we are seeing what I described as case 2, and case 4 behavior. The ball getting stuck at the "exit point" appears to be a lack of kenetic energy, which is hard to describe as over unity operation. If the ball is trapped by a magnet, we would need to know the input energy (see below quote) and the energy used by the balls motion up to the point it became trapped, and compare these two energies to know if we were over unity or not. > The ball will climb the ramp from most starting points (95%) on the circular > ramps 521.5mm average length, but I start the "Ball Rolling" by gently pushing > the ball off the top of the ramp. The ball getting trapped by the magnet might APPEAR to be due to excess velocity, but because the ball also gets stuck at the "exit point" it seems that we at times do not gain enough energy per circuit to clear the magnetic field. (remember, a bit of metal being drawn to a magnet APPEARS to be work done by the magnet, until we need to remove that bit of metal from the magnet! Is our excess velocity due to the last trip around, or due to its being trapped in real time?) Do we now think that the energy gain per circuit around the track might be variable? Maybe it's just as often less than unity as over unity, converging on zero perhaps? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 11 10:35:57 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id KAA24002; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 10:34:15 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 10:34:15 -0700 (PDT) From: HLafonte@aol.com Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 13:32:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970811133134_1184700500@emout02.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Thanks for the help everyone ! Resent-Message-ID: <"Hse363.0.ss5.Hqqxp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4922 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I would like to thank all the people who helped answer my question's on transmission lines ect. The net has put a world of info at my finger tips. If you don't want to help, then just hit delete. Maybe in the future I can help someone with what I have learned. Thanks, Butch LaFonte From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 11 10:37:54 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id KAA18973; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 10:31:43 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 10:31:43 -0700 Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 11:37:33 -0600 (MDT) From: Steve Ekwall X-Sender: ekwall2@november To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Time rate and extra power In-Reply-To: <199708110200.TAA18227@mail1.halcyon.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"3WPng.0.Ie4.-nqxp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4921 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Fred wrote: -snip- > So gravity doesn't appear in objects that aren't rotating? Not a > criticism-- for the whole physical universe may well be rotating in > relations to an absloute reference frame. >-snip-- > Always interesting ideas, Peter, although I am struggling with how to put > these concepts into a usable form. > > My theory about time is commonsensical, relatively simple to implement, > and testable. > > Fred > Thanks Fred, :) Something *NEW* (to me) / OLD to think about. Absolute Universal Reference Frame = 'AURF', Stroke of Genius in my book. For years, I have NEVER been happy with Einsteins "CONSTANT Speed of Light" as a reference of any kind, But could never even comprehend something that was 'More Constant'! (I knew IT must be out there, .. what are your thoughts for 'simple to implement and TESTABLE')?? My hat is off to you, Sir! :) se From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 11 11:28:51 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id LAA27856; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 11:15:04 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 11:15:04 -0700 From: geoff@compcafe.co.uk (Geoff Greaves) Reply-To: geoff@compcafe.co.uk To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: oops Date: 11 Aug 1997 08:06:48 GMT Message-Id: <61406.23637542@compcafe.co.uk> Organization: via Computer Cafes FC BBS Wales, UK Resent-Message-ID: <"wpmwE2.0.6p6.cQrxp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4923 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >I said: >Your message to the Powys Telecentres conference will be forwarded to the >Powys Telecentres List Server (powys.tc-l@cc.ruralwales.org) >Please use the List, not the BBS conference, for future messages. Thank you. 'cos I fouled up, sorry about that! ---------------------------------------- >From Geoff Greaves: geoff@compcafe.co.uk ---------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 11 11:38:47 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id LAA03766; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 11:36:58 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 11:36:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 12:41:38 -0600 (MDT) From: Steve Ekwall X-Sender: ekwall2@november To: Bob Shannon cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: SMOT Mk3 Magnetic Array In-Reply-To: <33EF6A25.A17@tiac.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"5GYfR1.0.jw.6lrxp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4924 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 11 Aug 1997, Bob Shannon wrote: >-snip- > Wrong! The simple case of a magnet attracting a bit of metal really is > not that simple, because we have to do as much, or more work to free > that bit of metal from the magnet face, just like compressing a spring! > > So if the SMOT ball gets stuck onto a magnet face, all your kenetic > energy is lost, and you have an energy debt to repay to free the ball > once again, clearly this cannot be over unity! > -snip- > > > So to let it run indefinately you will have to use a soft braking effect, > > maybe with a soft brush > > or so to slow the ball down and keep it at constant speed ! > > > > Do you agree ? > > Yes!!! But, because I have read that the ball sometimes becomes stuck > at the top of the ramp, it seems that not each and every cycle around > the track results in added kenetic energy in the ball! > > Over unity has a clear definition given on Greg's web page, more energy > out than energy in. It's a simple ratio. So far, we have discussed > behavior that APPEARS, subjectivly to be over unity, but we do not have > the numbers for this simple ratio that defines over unity operation. > > But a magnet drawing in a bit of metal APPEARS to be work done by the > magnet, freely. Only when we later have to repeat this cycle do we learn > that we got nothing for free from the magnet at all. > > We know that we are injecting SOME energy into the SMOT, and that the > device does not remain in constant operation, it does stop one way or > another. What becomes important here are the exact numbers for the > total energy in, and energy out. > > If the ball remains in the SMOT device, stuck to a magnet or on the > track itself, clearly we LOST energy overall. Only constant operation > (unity, perpetual motion) of the ball flying off into space with a > greater MEASURED energy than the total input energy casn be taken to > indicate anything other than conventional, conservative operation. > > Tool to 'Start the SMOT?!' Would/Wouldn't a spring-loaded "say, reverse spring-loaded PEN-Type" Starter answer your 'exact number(s) question. Release the spring-loaded PEN Starter with 1 oz outward pressure / or 2 oz outward pressure from BEHIND the Ball anywhere on the track to start it. Noting that at no point in / on the track 1-2oz (whatever) can accelerate the ball to such a volicity that it can Exit (fly off the track). Seems like I've seen a lot of these reverse action spring-tools used for marking dimples in metal to Breaking into car windows with just a click. My observations (thus far) are that the BALL Races towards the stacked array nearst the ENTRY point and ACCLERATES from there, only to slow down while (hopefully) going back to the entry or next entry point to continue its looping (if & when). While Greg calls it "SIMPLE over-unity Magnetic Toy" , it is far from simple to setup & document to everyones standards of what to look at! (I for one AM Building), but do know where I would always start the ball for 'best results' for my model - a gentle 'light' finger push near the Entry is all it needs. would 1-2oz measure work here, or would you have to see it EVERYWHERE throughout the loop?? P.S. How can a 'table-top' experimenter know where the ball is going to 'jump- track' to measure it?? or if it even jump0s track, what would cause that if not visual acceleration and centrifical force? Greg or JNaudin has a picture of a smot ball being relased with what looks like to me, a clear plastic ruler (holding it in place), until released.. understood a boulder on a rock on top of a moutain has 'stored energy', how long or far back would the smot-ball need to be before you'd say o/u?? Just thoughts (It really works BEST right at the entry point (duh!) the tracks are just the friction to overcome :) se From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 11 11:50:59 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id LAA04574; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 11:44:19 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 11:44:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970811134259.006971f4@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 13:42:59 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: Acoustic refrigerator Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"9rDNz.0.H71.wrrxp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4925 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi all, There's an interesting article in this month's (August) Machine Design. On page 26, there is an article that describes a cooling device which is powered by sound waves. Not free energy, but maybe there is something in this that could be exploited. Recovery of lost energy from compressors, internal combustion engines, and the like, might be possible? Best Regards, JD ------------------------------------- E-mail to mules@palacenet.net ------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 11 11:56:35 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id LAA03122; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 11:54:28 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 11:54:28 -0700 Message-ID: <33EEB5D7.6238@mail.dux.ru> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 10:48:55 +0400 From: "Alexander V. Frolov" Reply-To: frolov@mail.dux.ru Organization: Home Lab X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jerry , freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: Jerry Subject: Any comments about Hertz-Quincke-Sumoto-Polivanov effect? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"oIK7p3.0.hm.Z_rxp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4926 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I posted here the proposal to built by joint efforts the free energy self-rotating machine that can use well-known (perhaps only in Russia) effect that is discovered by Hertz of 1881: the dielectrical rotor (cylinder or ball) is self-accelerating in constant electric field that is created between flat plates of capacitor in liquid or gaseous dielectric. Anybody saw this my message? Here there are no people interested in this topic, I see. O.K. No problem. Alexander V. Frolov From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 11 12:25:49 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id MAA10502; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 12:25:00 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 12:25:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19970811192556.36e7343e@home.inetnow.com> X-Sender: hargraves@home.inetnow.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 14:25:56 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: hargraves Subject: SMOT Mk3 / Hargraves Resent-Message-ID: <"L7ReR.0.-Z2.7Ssxp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4927 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Gregg!! I Just wanted to see if you've gotten my check yet. I've been getting worred that prehapps you haven't gotten it yet. Randy Hargraves From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 11 13:10:15 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id NAA16254; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 13:07:35 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 13:07:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33EF99D7.6BEE@tiac.net> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 16:01:48 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Reply-To: bshannon@tiac.net Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: SMOT Mk3 Magnetic Array References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"GSB3j1.0.lz3.24txp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4928 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Steve Ekwall wrote: > > On Mon, 11 Aug 1997, Bob Shannon wrote: > > We know that we are injecting SOME energy into the SMOT, and that the > > device does not remain in constant operation, it does stop one way or > > another. What becomes important here are the exact numbers for the > > total energy in, and energy out. > > > > If the ball remains in the SMOT device, stuck to a magnet or on the > > track itself, clearly we LOST energy overall. Only constant operation > > (unity, perpetual motion) of the ball flying off into space with a > > greater MEASURED energy than the total input energy casn be taken to > > indicate anything other than conventional, conservative operation. > > > > > Tool to 'Start the SMOT?!' > Would/Wouldn't a spring-loaded "say, reverse spring-loaded PEN-Type" > Starter > answer your 'exact number(s) question. Release the spring-loaded PEN > Starter with 1 oz outward pressure / or 2 oz outward pressure from BEHIND > the Ball anywhere on the track to start it. This might be one method to use a known starting energy. Measuring the energy once its started is another matter. > Noting that at no point in / on the track 1-2oz (whatever) can > accelerate the ball to such a volicity that it can Exit (fly off the > track). Just to be clear, your using 'exit' to mean leaving the track, while it seems that Greg and others use the term 'exit' to mean that the ball drops off the high end of the ramp, but remains on the track. >From what I've read so far, the ball either gets stuck at the top of the ramp on the track, or gets stuck to a magnet face inside the ramp array. I've not read of a case where it flies out of the magnet assembly and misses the track due to excessive velocity. > Seems like I've seen a lot of these reverse action spring-tools used > for marking dimples in metal to Breaking into car windows with just a > click. My observations (thus far) are that the BALL Races towards the > stacked array nearst the ENTRY point and ACCLERATES from there, only to > slow down while (hopefully) going back to the entry or next entry point to > continue its looping (if & when). While Greg calls it "SIMPLE over-unity > Magnetic Toy" , it is far from simple to setup & document to everyones > standards of what to look at! Yes, it seems that its still very challanging to set these devices up. Its going to be harder still to measure what is really happening. > (I for one AM Building), but do know where I > would always start the ball for 'best results' for my model - a gentle > 'light' finger push near the Entry is all it needs. would 1-2oz measure > work here, or would you have to see it EVERYWHERE throughout the loop?? > P.S. How can a 'table-top' experimenter know where the ball is going to > 'jump- track' to measure it?? or if it even jump0s track, what would cause > that if not visual acceleration and centrifical force? >From what I've read on Greg's web page, the ball leaves the track and gets stuck to the magnets. The other bahavior is that the ball reaches the top of the ramp, and stops, apparently lacking the kenetic energy to exit the magnetic field. But in either case, the ball stops. If the ball stops off track, stuck to a magnet, we have an energy deficit situation, as we need to supply external energy to unstick the ball. > Greg or JNaudin > has a picture of a smot ball being relased with what looks like to me, a > clear plastic ruler (holding it in place), until released.. understood a > boulder on a rock on top of a moutain has 'stored energy', how long or far > back would the smot-ball need to be before you'd say o/u?? We cannot rightfully claim its over unity without the facts in hand! Its not a matter of opinion here, its a matter of measurments. I'm not willing to say its O/U untill we KNOW the total energy input to output ratio. Greg will point out that SMOT has no output, that any energy produced is used to keep the ball in motion, overcomming internal losses. But O/U operation does not count internal losses, and the ball seems to stop inside the device, either stuck at the top of the ramp, having failed to exit the field, or stuck to the magnet, an energy deficit condition! So the question becomes what does the kenetic energy profile of the ball look like from circuit to circuit around the track, and why exactly does the ball stop? There are some who feel that the ball hits the magnets due to excess energy, but if we had a repeatable energy excess, we should not have situations where the ball stops without exiting the ramps field. This seems to be a small paradox. On the other hand, a bit of metal will accelerate towards a magnet, but an equal ammount of work must be done to free that bit of metal. Do we KNOW that the acceleration before the ball gets stuck to the magnet is not the same situation? > Just thoughts > (It really works BEST right at the entry point (duh!) the tracks are just > the friction to overcome :) Hmmmm, Greg seems to think that most builders are using the same starting method he is now using. Where ever, or how ever we start the ball, we still need to know the kenetic energy profile of the ball from start to stop, for both the stuck at the top of the ramp, and stuck to the magnet ending conditions. We need to have the total energy input, and total energy output, errrr, there is NO energy output, so we need to know the total energy used by the motion of the ball up to the point it comes to rest. Depending on how the ball stops, we may also have to account for the unsticking energy as well. (This may also apply to the failure to exit stopping condition.) Over unity is not about how it looks like it operates, or how we think it operates, its about the real numbers, actual measurments of how it operates. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 11 13:48:22 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id NAA24549; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 13:47:15 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 13:47:15 -0700 X-Sender: leoguitar@mail.vossnet.de (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Flux switch generator report available ! Cc: newman-l@emachine.com Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 22:50:27 MET Message-Id: <19970811225027.07035bb4.in@pop3.vossnet.de> Resent-Message-ID: <"yKEzl2.0.U_5.Hftxp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4929 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi, the report of our measurements with a small self-built model of a Brown-Ecklin generator is now on the WEB at www.overunity.de/bht/bht.htm It can be reached as well at: www.overunity.de/theory.htm We did not find any overunity efficiency. But improvements are proposed and the results are compared with other known flux generators (Watson, Marinov) which show "negative" incremental efficiency, i.e. a reduction of input power if more power is drawn from the output. Regards, Dieter and Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany http://www.harti.com Webmaster of: www.detours.de www.overunity.de www.berlin-city.com email: harti@harti.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 11 14:17:16 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id OAA31846; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 14:09:07 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 14:09:07 -0700 Message-ID: <33EF7DB8.75F1@ctv.es> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 23:01:44 +0200 From: Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga Reply-To: vramos@ctv.es X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Acoustic refrigerator References: <3.0.1.32.19970811134259.006971f4@palacenet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ZOLb73.0.Un7.oztxp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4930 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Jack DeMule wrote: > > Hi all, > > There's an interesting article in this month's (August) > Machine Design. On page 26, there is an article > that describes a cooling device which is powered > by sound waves. Not free energy, but maybe there > is something in this that could be exploited. > Recovery of lost energy from compressors, internal > combustion engines, and the like, might be possible? > > Best Regards, > JD > > ------------------------------------- > E-mail to mules@palacenet.net > > ------------------------------------- Jack Maybe Is an interesting idea. I don't know nothing about this. If the efficiency is similar to Peltier devices, you can leave this project. Vicente -- Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga E-mail: vramos@ctv.es Home Page: http://www.ctv.es/USERS/vramos/home.htm Burriana (Castellon) SPAIN From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 11 14:20:51 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id OAA00115; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 14:18:02 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 14:18:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970811161740.006994e8@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 16:17:40 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: Re: Flux switch generator report available ! In-Reply-To: <19970811225027.07035bb4.in@pop3.vossnet.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"99G8Z2.0.i1.76uxp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4931 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Stefan, all... At 22:50 8/11/97 MET, Stefan Hartmann wrote: >the report of our measurements with a small self-built model of a Brown-Ecklin >generator is now on the WEB at > > www.overunity.de/bht/bht.htm A complete, and concise, report it is too! Most enlightening, very well done. Thank you. Best Regards, JD ------------------------------------- E-mail to mules@palacenet.net ------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 11 15:49:51 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id PAA16906; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 15:48:14 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 15:48:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708112248.PAA30282@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: "Free Energy" , Subject: Re: Any comments about Hertz-Quincke-Sumoto-Polivanov effect? Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 15:22:03 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"GFhLV.0.284.hQvxp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4935 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Alexander, Just wrote a private email in response. Unfortunately I don't think there is any o/u potential here as this is simply an unusual form of electrostatic motor. It is described in the book by Oleg Jeffimenko, "Electrostatic Motors". Sure, it doesn't take much power to maintain the rotor in motion but it also doesn't have any torque to speak of. Fred > I posted here the proposal to built by joint efforts the free energy > self-rotating machine that can use well-known (perhaps only in Russia) > effect that is discovered by Hertz of 1881: the dielectrical rotor > (cylinder or ball) is self-accelerating in constant electric field that > is created between flat plates of capacitor in liquid or gaseous > dielectric. Anybody saw this my message? > > Here there are no people interested in this topic, I see. > > O.K. No problem. > > Alexander V. Frolov > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 11 17:04:36 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id PAA17784; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 15:02:00 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 15:02:00 -0700 Message-Id: <199708112203.PAA14994@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: Zinsser: kinetobaric effect? Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 12:37:56 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"EB3wT2.0.nL4.Mluxp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4933 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Andreas! Yes, I will send you the two Zinsser papers next weekend. Sorry it's so long but I have had many requests for papers. Can you decode GIFs on your computer? I can send them as scanned pages then.. > IMHO there's a possible connection between the Zinsser phenomena > and the railgun effect (Graneau). > I have always been interested in Graneau's work and I would be interested in your theory on how they are related. Talk to you next week! Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 11 17:40:47 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id RAA29244; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 17:39:50 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 17:39:50 -0700 From: openway@nor.com.au Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 10:39:36 +1000 Message-Id: <199708120039.KAA13887@nornet.nor.com.au> X-Sender: openway@pophost.nor.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Barkhausen Battery ? Scalar waves FAQ ? Resent-Message-ID: <"tY9oe1.0.q87.K3xxp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4937 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >Caduceus coils, standing wave interference between paired transmission >lines (standing wave interference), radiated wave interference between >paired antennea elements, modulating shielded E or B fields, there are >many methods of producing true field superposition, rather than field >distortion. This is the key. > >Bob Shannon > IOW at the intersection of two EM waves, of equal amplitude and frequency, arises a scalar function, or virtual particle flux. Can you clarify, in terms of "superposition", what the difference is between the above and a bifiliar coil, or a magnetic or electrostatic bucking field achieved with paired coils and capacitors respectively? Peter Nielsen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 11 17:42:08 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id RAA29230; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 17:39:47 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 17:39:47 -0700 From: openway@nor.com.au Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 10:39:33 +1000 Message-Id: <199708120039.KAA13885@nornet.nor.com.au> X-Sender: openway@pophost.nor.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Time rate and extra power Resent-Message-ID: <"p5UTo3.0.d87.J3xxp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4936 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >I don't know. How do you get virtual particles to the point where they >become measurable quantities? > Scalar wave detectors. >So gravity doesn't appear in objects that aren't rotating? Not a >criticism-- for the whole physical universe may well be rotating in >relations to an absloute reference frame. > The Earth rotates. >> Electrons migrate to the outside of a curved surface, thereby creating a >> zero or scalar field which constitutes a reciprocal force. > >Always interesting ideas, Peter, although I am struggling with how to put >these concepts into a usable form. > So am I, which will be the subject of an upcoming post to the list ... a unifying approach to all these diverse effects. >My theory about time is commonsensical, relatively simple to implement, >and testable. > On the basis of my conversations with Ted Roach I have ordered his book. What did you think of my previous post on the subject? Peter From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 11 18:04:09 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id PAA17753; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 15:01:54 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 15:01:54 -0700 Message-Id: <199708112203.PAA15215@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: Time rate and extra power Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 12:32:31 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"gVMW23.0.DL4.Hluxp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4932 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Steve! > > So gravity doesn't appear in objects that aren't rotating? Not a > > criticism-- for the whole physical universe may well be rotating in > > relations to an absloute reference frame. > >-snip-- > > Always interesting ideas, Peter, although I am struggling with how to put > > these concepts into a usable form. > > > > My theory about time is commonsensical, relatively simple to implement, > > and testable. > > > > Fred > > > Thanks Fred, :) Something *NEW* (to me) / OLD to think about. > > Absolute Universal Reference Frame = 'AURF', Stroke of Genius in my book. > > For years, I have NEVER been happy with Einsteins "CONSTANT Speed of > Light" as a reference of any kind, But could never even comprehend > something that was 'More Constant'! Hate to disappoint you but I believe that there are even less constants than Einstein said...The velocity of light isn't constant, and even the rate of time flow isn't constant by my theory. Everything is fluctating and pulsating. The rotating univers theory came from Kurt Godel, who showed mathematically that the universe can rotate even though it has nothing to rotate against. Don't ask me to explain that one! :-) I knew IT must be out there, .. what > are your thoughts for 'simple to implement and TESTABLE')?? My hat is off > to you, Sir! :) Well, I've described my experimental time generator in another post. To recap: it is a high-Q tank circuit with an electrically variable inductor, like a small magnetic amplifier type winding. The higher the current and frequency of the tank the more observable effects could result. The inductor is triggered by a pulse circuit. The whole assembly with power supply and batteries (ideally) should be in a EM shielded container, the only port being the pulse trigger wire. The time generator in its resonant state is simply an inertial system, like a spinning wheel. When the variable inductor is pulsed there is a rapid change in the total inertia of the system. My hypothesis is that the time generator will under these pulsed conditions have an effect on the inertial constants (time constants) of systems brought nearby, for instance clocks, rotating discs, crystal oscillators, etc. The means of interaction is obscure, but I am looking at the Ahranohov-Bohm inertial effect as a possible answer. This is analogous to the A-B effect in EM, but applies to rotating inertial frames instead. It would be as if you were standing next to a carousel and felt the centrifugal force! Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 11 18:11:17 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id PAA17877; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 15:02:11 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 15:02:11 -0700 Message-Id: <199708112203.PAA15276@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: experimental time wave generator Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 14:04:07 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Fj4Ni3.0.AN4.Xluxp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4934 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Peter! > >There have been many experiments tried with rotating discs and > >no clear effects have come from it. I suggest this is because the uniforrm > >acceleration of the disc in steady rotation must also be accelerating. > > > > Did you read my post to you regarding conversations with Ted Roach? Time > variations have been measured between high and low altitude on the Earth's > surface using atomic clocks. Where is the acceleration? > > The effect is based on a differential in the vibratory rates of particles > caused dissimilar speeds of rotation. It's already there, but may be > assisted by acceleration. I agree that the vibratory rate of the particles defines the time rate for these particles. But everything is vibrating at different rates. There are these differentials everywhere. In fact it would be difficult to create a situation where a time rate differential of this sort does not exist. How is that we experience everything as part of our own time continuum? My suggestion is that we will not notice anomalous effects unless a time, or vibratory, rate is CHANGING in relation to the measurement time frame. > > >The key is the acceleration of acceleration, or the inertia of inertia, if > >you will. > > > > The effect of acceleration could also be achieved by modulating the field > within which the device is rotating at a steady speed. I have more details > on this if anyone is game to try. OR it could be done by increasing or decreasing the charge or current present on the rim of the disc. I still think that a nonmechanical system with tank circuits will do the same thing though. The EM mass being moved is much smaller but the rate of rotation (oscillation) is thousands of times greater. The total inertia of the system can be varied much more rapidly as well. > > >There may be a threshold of acceleration of acceleration that must be > >reached before things get interesting, and indeed there is the occasional > >story of a rotating device that reaches these conditions and flies off the > >axle, never to do it again. Sound familiar? > > > > I believe it is a harmonic relationship between the acquired potential and > speed of rotation. This is why size and materials are important. I agree that specific size and materials are very important because my theory is based on the idea that time,and for that matter O/U effects, are not abstractions but are located in specific materials. I don't know what a harmonic relationship between potential and rotational speed would be. f(rotational velocity) = potential. > > >Here's an idea for a solid-state time wave generator. > > > > Have another look at Markovitch's ATREE circuit. Used non-inductive windings > to alter time flow in one of two parrallel circuits. Yes, I have heard that before. I will look at this arrangement. Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 11 18:35:02 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id SAA07927; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 18:34:08 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 18:34:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708120133.SAA13525@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: Time rate and extra power Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 18:37:44 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Cfwws.0.lx1.Csxxp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4938 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Peter! I said: > >I don't know. How do you get virtual particles to the point where they > >become measurable quantities? > > Scalar wave detectors. I guess when I think of virtual particles I am thinking of the subatomic particles that supposedly arise and disappear out of the vacuum flux. I didn't realize we were talking about scalars. > > >So gravity doesn't appear in objects that aren't rotating? Not a > >criticism-- for the whole physical universe may well be rotating in > >relations to an absloute reference frame. > > > > The Earth rotates. So an object sitting in space fixed in relation to distant galaxies doesn't have a gravity field? This is why I said that about the universe rotating. > > >> Electrons migrate to the outside of a curved surface, thereby creating a > >> zero or scalar field which constitutes a reciprocal force. > > > >Always interesting ideas, Peter, although I am struggling with how to put > >these concepts into a usable form. > > > > So am I, which will be the subject of an upcoming post to the list ... a > unifying approach to all these diverse effects. Good! I would like to see this! My brain is bulging with contradictory notions about time :-) > > >My theory about time is commonsensical, relatively simple to implement, > >and testable. > > > > On the basis of my conversations with Ted Roach I have ordered his book. > What did you think of my previous post on the subject? As I mentioned to you privately, I am having a few emails slip through my fingers every week because they end up being stored on my other computer. The one with Roach was one of them. I intend to examine it when I go back to work, or you can send it again if you want a response soon. Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 11 19:00:37 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id SAA11934; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 18:59:46 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 18:59:46 -0700 Message-Id: <199708120201.TAA20975@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: Flux switch generator report available ! Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 19:05:22 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"y4_zf2.0.Nw2.GEyxp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4939 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Stefan! You and your group are to be congratulated on your experimental protocol and the general tone of your paper. To my mind, a paper like this is worth far more than a poorly detailed report that DOES describe O/U effects. What can you do with a paper like that but believe it on faith or disbelieve it on (scientific) faith? Your paper shows us places we can GO!! Thanks again! Fred > the report of our measurements with a small self-built model of a Brown-Ecklin > generator is now on the WEB at > > www.overunity.de/bht/bht.htm > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 11 19:58:45 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id TAA23675; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 19:57:42 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 19:57:42 -0700 Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 19:57:27 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Any comments about Hertz-Quincke-Sumoto-Polivanov effect? In-Reply-To: <33EEB5D7.6238@mail.dux.ru> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"GeRnI.0.mn5.Z4zxp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4940 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 11 Aug 1997, Alexander V. Frolov wrote: > I posted here the proposal to built by joint efforts the free energy > self-rotating machine that can use well-known (perhaps only in Russia) > effect that is discovered by Hertz of 1881: the dielectrical rotor > (cylinder or ball) is self-accelerating in constant electric field that > is created between flat plates of capacitor in liquid or gaseous > dielectric. Anybody saw this my message? Is this similar to the "rolling ball" electrostatic motor? In this motor a dielectric ball rolls around the perimeter of a conductive bowl. Supported over the center of the bowl is a metal disk, sized so that the sharp edge of the disk is near the top of the ball. High voltage is applied between the disk and the bowl. Corona discharge at the edge of the disk "paints" a charge-imbalance upon the ball as it rolls. Insulators cannot be discharged by contacting a flat conductor, so presumably the high charge density on the ball's surface causes corona where it contacts the bowl, and corona will discharge its surface. As the ball rolls, it transports charge and is rotated by attraction/repulsion. It is a conventional effect. I've never tried building this device, although I have tried the "interdigitated metallized pingpong ball" motor from A.D. Moore's book ELECTROSTATICS. It didn't work because the aluminum foil was too thick and slowed down the ball as it rolled over the foil sectors. Perhaps gold leaf or conductive paint would work. (Note: Moore's famous book ELECTROSTATICS is now reprinted and available in paperback, search WWW and you'll find the publisher/seller.) If the former rolling-ball motor did *not* operate via corona, if it did *not* draw a current as the ball rolled along, then it must hide some interesting physics. If the motor continues to operate when the sharp edges are made dull, or when the entire motor is immersed in light oil, then I have no explanation. .....................uuuu / oo \ uuuu........,............................. William Beaty voice:206-781-3320 bbs:206-789-0775 cserv:71241,3623 EE/Programmer/Science exhibit designer http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/ Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com SCIENCE HOBBYIST web page From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 11 20:00:07 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id TAA23954; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 19:59:34 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 19:59:34 -0700 Message-Id: <199708120301.UAA03831@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: "Free Energy" , "Tim Vaughn" Subject: Barkhausen information Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 20:04:37 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Vkz9Q2.0.Bs5.M6zxp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4941 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Tim! I found an old book with some interesting information about the Barkhausen effect. The book is "Modern Magnetism" by Bates. To summarize: 1) The material with the largest volume of magnetic material involved in a single B-jump: 50% Ni-Fe alloy. The smallest was pure Fe. Ni-Fe : 45 x 10 ^ -9 cc. Fe: 1.2 x 10^ -9 cc. 2) Materials under torsion show much larger jumps. Wires "made of magnetostrictive materials" under torsion show volumes approaching 1 cc. involved in jumps. 3) Typical time involved in a B- jump: less than 10^ -8 secs. Comments: 1) Nickel-iron wins again! Now it has been implicated as the best B-noise material as well as the best material for core current experiments. We really must find a source for nickel-iron wire. Have you had any luck? I have not been looking, because of relatives visiting etc. Here's some info about Ni-Fe alloys, from the book "Magnetism and Magnetic Materials" by Jiles. There are interesting charts showing the effects of varying amounts of Ni in the alloy. It is interesting where the peaks are. In the chart showing the initial permeablity of slow-cooled alloys, peak permeability is at 45% Ni content In the chart of saturation magnetic induction, there is a sharp dip in the saturation field intensity (close to zero) at 30% Ni content. In the chart of electrical resistance, there is a sharp peak at 30 % Ni content. In the chart of magnetostriction, the percent of Ni has an inverse relation to magnetostriction with highest value at 40-50 % Ni. Also: Invar is a 64 % Fe, 36% Ni alloy. It is used to make high-quality transformers. If we could get laminations from such a transformer we could cut them down. I have an idea for a magnetic flux gate that involves passing parallel current and mag field through a piece of material like this with a narrow waist. Did I ever send you the paper about the amorphous Ni alloy? Did you read the description of the classical nature of the effect of current through the core? A way immediately suggests itself for creating a magnetic "switch" or gate that might have application in O/U or other technologies. The circular field of the current passing through the metal pushes the main field to the edges. If the current was passing through a fairly narrow waist it seems to me that the magnetic field would be blocked from going through the same waist. 2) Obviously it would be good for Bob to figure out a way to twist his B-battery material. 3) The frequency of the B-jumps indicates that excitation of a core material to produce maximum B-noise with minimum power might be with an RF coil at about 20 MHz -- I don't how you would do that considering the inductance of the material. Is it possible to produce an oscillating magnetic field at this frequency that is not an EM wave? Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 11 21:09:31 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id VAA27118; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 21:08:01 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 21:08:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33F0D09B.3F2C@triode.net.au> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 14:07:39 -0700 From: Maxwell X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Flux switch generator report available ! References: <19970811225027.07035bb4.in@pop3.vossnet.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"bKzrC2.0.Wd6.G6-xp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4942 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Stefan Hartmann wrote: > > Hi, > > the report of our measurements with a small self-built model of a Brown-Ecklin > We did not find any overunity efficiency. I'm not surprised. I looked at your design. Why do you call it a Brown/Ecklin generator? It resembles neither the designs of Paul Brown nor John Ecklin, but resembles a variation on the g-field generator which appears to have no special attributes. By the way, credit for the design of the first flux-switching alternator appears to go to Dr William McLean and associates at the Naval Ordinance Test Station, Inyokern, California, who designed miniture Flux-switching alternators for use in air-borne equipment. This was in 1955. A 3 inch diameter generator produced 3 kilwatts at 50,000 RPM and was driven by a gas turbine. Later designs by Ecklin are based on this earlier work. Maxwell. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 11 21:25:08 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id VAA04626; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 21:24:31 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 21:24:31 -0700 Message-ID: <33EFF383.2999@sunherald.infi.net> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 22:24:20 -0700 From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" Reply-To: stk@sunherald.infi.net Organization: Good question! X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Red Light Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"VdU2d2.0.B81.zL-xp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4943 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Greetings: Does anyone here know what Project "Red Light" is? The guy I mentioned that worked at wright-patterson (see my posts on bismuth) told me that that's where the bismuth/magnesium/zinc layering for electrogravity started. Also: the Na-22 is used in something he calls a magnetic fluctuation core as a source of positrons. He said it involves ramming the positrons into a "hypermass simulator"(whatever that is) and producing charm matter. Maybe you can help answer these: What is redlight Why bismuth/magnesium/zinc What is a magnetic fluctuation core What is a hypermass simulator What is charm matter? Kyle Mcallister P.S: I'll see if I can get back in touch with him. He's a hard man to reach From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 11 21:59:06 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id VAA11517; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 21:56:55 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 21:56:55 -0700 Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 22:48:55 -0600 (MDT) From: "John R. Tooker" To: "Kyle R. Mcallister" Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Red Light In-Reply-To: <33EFF383.2999@sunherald.infi.net> Message-Id: Organization: Calgary Free-Net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"i-esE1.0.op2.Mq-xp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4944 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi! You may wish to check out the file entitled UFO7.ASC, in the ufo section of the Keelynet files. That file *may* answer some olf your questions, as it seems that your descriptions are somewhat similar to the drive discussed in the file. I also thing that "Red Light" *may* have something to do with the reddish discharges created by a craft employing the peculiar layered materials you mentioned, under certain conditions. Regards, John On Mon, 11 Aug 1997, Kyle R. Mcallister wrote: > > Greetings: > > Does anyone here know what Project "Red Light" is? The guy I mentioned > that worked at wright-patterson (see my posts on bismuth) told me that > that's where the bismuth/magnesium/zinc layering for electrogravity > started. Also: the Na-22 is used in something he calls a magnetic > fluctuation core as a source of positrons. He said it involves ramming > the positrons into a "hypermass simulator"(whatever that is) and > producing charm matter. > > Maybe you can help answer these: > > What is redlight > Why bismuth/magnesium/zinc > What is a magnetic fluctuation core > What is a hypermass simulator > What is charm matter? > > Kyle Mcallister > > P.S: I'll see if I can get back in touch with him. He's a hard man to > reach > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 11 22:02:01 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id VAA05522; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 21:58:33 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 21:58:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 22:50:09 -0600 (MDT) From: "John R. Tooker" To: "Kyle R. Mcallister" Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Red Light In-Reply-To: <33EFF383.2999@sunherald.infi.net> Message-Id: Organization: Calgary Free-Net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"_yAX22.0.BM1.sr-xp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4945 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Oh yes, as well, "charm" is a term used to describe a specific type of sub quantam particle, or particle group. Regards, John From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 11 22:19:29 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id WAA20065; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 22:18:24 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 22:18:24 -0700 Message-ID: <33EFF0A9.14BB014D@microtronics.com.au> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 14:42:09 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List Server Freenrg Subject: Re: [Fwd: More SMOT improvements?] X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <33ED1C39.A3856C96@microtronics.com.au> <33EF6F12.223B@tiac.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"FR9y11.0.Qv4.V8_xp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4946 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Bob Shannon wrote: > > Quite right Greg! If you simply shipped devices that were, well, lets > say 'difficult', you would ahve drawn fire for that. Sounds like your > being put between a rock and a hard place here! I have NEVER said that the SMOT devices were anything but experimantal and that individual results would depend on how good you got at adjusting the units. > > What IE, Earth Tech and others will get are units that can do a rollaway > > and not require hours of "tinkering". > > > > It took Scott 20 hours to get a SMOT Mk1 "Climb and Drop" to work. I > > did it in 5 minutes. > > > > That REALLY worries me!!!!!!!!!!! > > > > With all respect, when they play it is tinkering, when I play its > > development. I don't want them to have to tinker, that's why I am doing > > the development. > > Now hold the phone! Others are assisting you in your research and > development, this is not simple tinkering Mate! You publish their > results on your web page, so these other SMOT fans are doing the same > type, and the same level of work you are. > Personally, I think you ought to recognise it as such. I do, thats why the results data base is there!!!!!!!! Tony Blanton's efforts on the SMOT Mk2 magnetic arrays were known to all. I will expand on an earlier comment that I made on the SMOT Mk3 circular ramp. You seem to have missed it. With the magnetic arrays removed, the ball, when released from the top of the ramp, droping down the 90 deg exit, will make it, on average, 30-40% around the ramp's inclining 1.5mm in 100mm slope until it stops and rolls back down to the bottom and stops. The curved N gauge track is very lossy due to its unequal radius turns causing the ball to both roll and skid around the track. There is NO way, by just pushing the ball off the top of the ramp, the ball will return to the top of the ramp again yet make several circuits. Look at the plans. I haven't said this for a long time and I really tried not to. BOB, your comments are very welcome, but they are not based on reality. If you had just built one SMOT ramp, you would know about now sensitive the exits are and what the comments about the ball jumping off the track refers to. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Phone / PC Fax ...... 61 8 8270 2737 E-mail .............. gwatson@microtronics.com.au Home Page ........... Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 11 23:05:31 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id XAA21184; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 23:04:26 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 23:04:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970811235749.007390c8@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 23:57:49 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: Re: Flux switch generator report available ! In-Reply-To: <33F0D09B.3F2C@triode.net.au> References: <19970811225027.07035bb4.in@pop3.vossnet.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"nKV7T3.0.vA5.dp_xp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4947 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 14:07 8/12/97 -0700, Maxwell wrote: >By the way, credit for the design of the first flux-switching alternator >appears to go to Dr William McLean and associates at the Naval Ordinance >Test Station, Inyokern, California, who designed miniture Flux-switching >alternators for use in air-borne equipment. This was in 1955. A 3 inch >diameter generator produced 3 kilwatts at 50,000 RPM and was driven by a >gas turbine. I'm very curious about these "flux-switching" alternators. Where can I find out more about Dr. McLean? Best Regards, JD ------------------------------------------------------------ "Don't panic! ...I'm not from the government, and I wouldn't lift a tentacle to help you." -Bug Eyed Monster E-mail to: mules@palacenet.net ------------------------------------------------------------ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 12 00:39:34 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id AAA07513; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 00:38:53 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 00:38:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708120739.AAA28006@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: Flux switch generator report available ! Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 22:48:41 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"n-uHB2.0.Gr1.AC1yp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4948 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Maxwell and all, . > > I'm not surprised. > > I looked at your design. Why do you call it a Brown/Ecklin generator? It > resembles neither the designs of Paul Brown nor John Ecklin, but > resembles a variation on the g-field generator which appears to have no > special attributes. You're right that it does not resemble the Ecklin patent, but it certainly seems to look like the Brown generator. What specific differences do these machines have that might make them overunity? > > By the way, credit for the design of the first flux-switching alternator > appears to go to Dr William McLean and associates at the Naval Ordinance > Test Station, Inyokern, California, who designed miniture Flux-switching > alternators for use in air-borne equipment. This was in 1955. A 3 inch > diameter generator produced 3 kilwatts at 50,000 RPM and was driven by a > gas turbine. > > Later designs by Ecklin are based on this earlier work. Do you have a ref for this early work? Or.. do you happen to know if they CALLED them flux-switching alternators, to help me look it up in the Nav. Ord. reports? Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 12 00:39:06 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id AAA03861; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 00:37:46 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 00:37:46 -0700 Message-Id: <199708120739.AAA28240@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: "Free Energy" Subject: Thoughts on flux-switching Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 00:42:40 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"uvDUc2.0.Ey.9B1yp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4949 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Stefan! I'd like to try some ideas out on you for flux-switching project number two, which I assume you're planning. Breaking it down into logical categories as I like to do, it seems that there are a number of ways of influencing the space between a permanent magnet and an inductor to generate power. 1) Cyclically inserting a high-mu material (which is what you did). 2) Cyclically inserting alternate magnetic pathways to two inductors. In other words a rotor would transfer the magnetic flux alternately through two different inductors. This might have advantages over the on-off arrangement you used because the field strength is not diminished at any point in the cycle, but only shifted. This might be done with alternate sectors of the rotating disc having permeable paths slanted toward either the inner or outer diameter of the opposite side, so that the flux is directed at one or the other inductor there. 3) Cyclically inserting a negative-mu (diamagnetic) material, not very practical but possible with organic substances with negative mu about -2000. These organic substances might have usefulness as edge coatings on "flux-knives" as they repel a magnetic field. It is also possible since organic chemicals are often dielectric that an electric charge could be applied to change the permeability, but this is pure speculation. 4) Using thin rotors of a conductor like copper as flux cutters. As the rotors pass over the magnets eddy currents form which block the flux. These currents are most compressed along the edges of the sheet at the place where it meets the flux. This will probably make it work worse, but it is a possibility. 5) Use flux knives made out of thin high-mu material like mu metal. It seems intuitively possible that very high speed rotation of these knives might involve the hysteretic cycle in such a way as to reduce losses. Or it might make matters worse. 6) Putting a solid-state system with varying mu between the magnet and the inductor. I will discuss this in more detail. 7) Creating at least two magnetic circuits which are controlled by variable-mu magnetic pathways. This is the arrangement used in the Pasjynski (sp?), Richardson, Villasenor, and other patents. Although this seems like a promising approach, no experimental results have been presented that I know of. Of these possibilities, to my knowledge, 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6 have not been tried. 1 has been tried and has had no authenticated success that I am aware of despite a number of attempts. 7 has been patented a number of times, and off course patents always report success but there are no other reports about these devices either. Personally it is my opinion that 1, 2 ,and 3 are inherently lossy devices because the magnetic circuits are inherently lossy. It seems to me that an overunity device should also have good efficiency by ordinary standards :-) and these rotating devices don't cut it. The other two rotary ideas also probably fit into the same category. In fact I don't see how a rotary device can have even the efficiency of a good electric generator unless it is designed to perfection as standard generators are. This is clearly my own opinion (prejudice). 6 is basically a simpler version of 7, where more attention is paid to the energetics of the flux passing through the gate than on creating a complex pathway for the flux to go through, which is the approach of the patents in 7. It is well known in the design of magnetic amplifiers that a small current can control the saturation of a magnetic core and thus its permeability. Since the mu depends on the applied field, and the field depends as much on the windings as the control current, it seems possible to make a magnetic gate that would control a large permanent magnet flux with a small oscillating current. Picture a moderately powerful permanent magnet (PM). (The saturation levels of the flux gate prevent the use of extremely powerful magnets). This magnet is chosen to bias the flux gate just below the knee on the B/H curve so that a small increase in magnetic field creates a sharp drop in permeability. The flux gate material, which would be a manganese zinc ferrite with a 300 to 1 mu variation, is interposed between the PM and an inductor. Ideally these three parts are in a square core arrangement or better yet a toroid to form a closed magnetic circuit. The flux gate portion has a many-turn, low resistance (parallel or Koenig) winding which is connected to a low-power control oscillator, probably a tank circuit. Ideally the flux gate winding is at right angles to the inductor winding to prevent loading the control circuit with back EMF from the output circuit, but I haven't thought of a good way to do that yet. Anyway, when the oscillator is turned on, the permeability of the fluxgate varies greatly, and so does the flux passing through the inductor, creating your output current. There are several drawbacks to this design: 1) the already mentioned back EMF influencing the control circuit. This can be eliminated with proper coil geometries. 2) the magnetic field of the output will also influence the mu of the flux gate. The magnetic field of the output is highest when the fluxgate mu is changing most rapidly. This increase will SUPPORT the flux gate operation on half the cycle and OPPOSE it on the other half, since the fluxgate depends on the ABSOLUTE strength of the field, not its polarization. There is a question whether the output magnetic field when it is reversed from the PM creates field cancellation in the fluxgate material. There may be ways of designing the input waveform to take advantage of the interactions between the three fields. I will be interested in comments of course.. Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 12 02:40:34 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id CAA16532; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 02:40:00 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 02:40:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33EF50E0.4E97@mail.dux.ru> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 21:50:24 +0400 From: "Alexander V. Frolov" Reply-To: frolov@mail.dux.ru Organization: Home Lab X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Any comments about Hertz-Quincke-Sumoto-Polivanov effect? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"MIAet3.0.D24.kz2yp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4950 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: William Beaty wrote: > > On Mon, 11 Aug 1997, Alexander V. Frolov wrote: > > > I posted here the proposal to built by joint efforts the free energy > > self-rotating machine that can use well-known (perhaps only in Russia) > > effect that is discovered by Hertz of 1881: the dielectrical rotor > > (cylinder or ball) is self-accelerating in constant electric field that > > is created between flat plates of capacitor in liquid or gaseous > > dielectric. Anybody saw this my message? > > Is this similar to the "rolling ball" electrostatic motor? In this motor > a dielectric ball rolls around the perimeter of a conductive bowl. No, Sir. Corona discharge is not necessary in this effect. Also the rotor (ball or cylinder) is rotating round his own axis. I'll prepare figure file and post it here. Alexander V. Frolov From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 12 03:11:13 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id DAA18574; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 03:10:38 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 03:10:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33F034DB.7C419DDE@microtronics.com.au> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 19:33:07 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List Server Freenrg CC: List Server Vortex , List Server NeoTech , List Server Newman Subject: SMOT Mk2 Beta 4 "Rollaway" design X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ibMbE.0.7Y4.RQ3yp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4951 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi All, I am working on a new simple linear SMOT Mk2 Beta 4 design using the magnetic array design for the SMOT Mk3. This unit is being designed to do ONE specific job. Strong, level "Rollaways". No attempt will be made to link these units. The ramp will built of N gauge model railway track, be approx 500mm long, with a lift of approx 8mm and it WILL do a "Rollaway". Adjustments will be very limited or zero. I have had a few comments on the SMOT Mk3 design as difficult to duplicate simply. I will ship a SMOT Mk2 Beta 4 "Rollaway" unit to Bill Beaty, Scott Little, Barry Merriman and Chris Tinsley at my cost. I trust they will report what they find. Would Bill, Barry and Chris please provide your preferred shipping addresses by private email. The SMOT Mk2 Beta 4 design will be up on my site in a few days. I provide Mpegs of both the SMOT Mk2 Beta 4 ramp doing "Rollaways" and the SMOT Mk3 circular ramp doing "Rollarounds". The development continues. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Phone / PC Fax ...... 61 8 8270 2737 E-mail .............. gwatson@microtronics.com.au Home Page ........... Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 12 03:48:40 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id DAA22199; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 03:48:16 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 03:48:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33EF957F.2334@mail.dux.ru> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 02:43:11 +0400 From: "Alexander V. Frolov" Reply-To: frolov@mail.dux.ru Organization: Home Lab X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: Hal Fox , Jerry Subject: Hertz-Quincke effect for self-rotation electrical machine Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"GAj1A2.0.lQ5.jz3yp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4952 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Self-rotating Hertz's machine There is Hertz-Quincke effect, discovered in 1881. Dielectrical cylinder or ball, placed in dielectrical liquid or gas, would be self-accelerated in electrical field and its rotation round own axis is free of any input (sure, electric potential field source is necessary but it is not a power source, for example, it can seems as a capacitor). Japan scientist I.Sumoto and Russian scientist K.Polivanov developed the effect research. I must note, that there is no iones or electrones emission from surface in this case. Electric corona is not required. The effect is result of well-known factor of time delay for depolarization, and in this sense free-energy developers can make some analogy with well-known Bearden's idea for time delay and relaxation material. Dr. Bearden proposed to use time delay between voltage "sw.on" and beginning of the conductivity current in the coil, to make "sw.off" and to use corrent in the load part of the circuit. In Hertz's self-rotating machine the time delay allow to get the asymmetry in distribution of the induced charges on the surface of the rotor. + - + + - + - - + + - + - - + + - + - - + + - x + - - + + - + - - + + - + - - + + - + - - + - a) Plates of capacitor and rotor before rotation, axis of the rotor is marked as (x) Twin polarity on the rotor means +- or -+ pairs of particles of the rotor and dielectrical substance near surface of the rotor. All forces are balanced. + - + - + + - - + + - - + + - x + - - + + - - + + - - + - + - b) After initial rotation was made, the balance is violated and pair of forces is created to rotate the cylinder. The reason is delay in depolarization of the particles of the dielectrical substance near of the rotor surface. In strength of this reason, by my opinion, the repulsion forces between charged particles mentioned above and charges of the plates produce the work to rotate the cylinder. This old real perpetuum mobile, discovered by Hertz, require constant electric potential field as source, and that field can be created by the conventional generator connected with the rotor. There are no problems in principle. Let's built it to test. There is a question: why this effect is excluded from textbooks? Don't talk me, I know the answer. A lot of interesting facts are excluded from our textbooks. So, let's publish it now for research people. Alexander V. Frolov From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 12 05:06:05 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id FAA30538; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 05:05:33 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 05:05:33 -0700 Message-Id: <199708121204.IAA002.28@cougar.ssi.stratus.com> From: "Charlie Hodgson" Date: Tue, 12 Aug 97 07:58:26 -0400 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: <199708112203.PAA15276@mail1.halcyon.com> Subject: Re: experimental time wave generator Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.28 (Unregistered) Resent-Message-ID: <"tMxcW2.0.3T7.C65yp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4953 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > Time variations have been measured between high and low altitude on > the Earth's surface using atomic clocks. Where is the acceleration? The rotational speed of the earth is not constant, so it will experience acceleration at some points. The greater the altitute, the greater the acceleration at that instant. Additionally, the orbital speed of the earth varies depending upon the distance from the sun. We travel faster in January than in June. Depending upon where these clocks are located, I can see that this could contribute to acceleration differences as well. Charlie -- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 12 06:00:57 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id GAA05875; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 06:00:15 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 06:00:15 -0700 Message-ID: <33F05A07.6BAC@ctv.es> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 14:41:43 +0200 From: Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga Reply-To: vramos@ctv.es X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Schumacher Magnet Motor Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------2F3136CC5E2E" Resent-Message-ID: <"iO64r.0.iR1.Uv5yp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4955 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------2F3136CC5E2E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, Sometime ago, I read an article about free energy, about different motors and devices. There is one I couldn't found on the net. This is the only diagram I have. Consists on two discs with permanent magnets, on a special placing. Between the two discs, there are three arms powered by a conventional motor. These arms have a magnetic isulator piece on his extremes to regauge the the repulsion (or attraction, I don't know), to make the disc spin. Someone knows this motor? 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1997 06:01:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33F05610.36B2@ctv.es> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 14:24:48 +0200 From: Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga Reply-To: vramos@ctv.es X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Flux switch generator report available ! References: <19970811225027.07035bb4.in@pop3.vossnet.de> <33F0D09B.3F2C@triode.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"rfR5X1.0.QB1.Mw5yp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4954 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Maxwell wrote: > > Stefan Hartmann wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > the report of our measurements with a small self-built model of a Brown-Ecklin > > > We did not find any overunity efficiency. > > I'm not surprised. > > I looked at your design. Why do you call it a Brown/Ecklin generator? It > resembles neither the designs of Paul Brown nor John Ecklin, but > resembles a variation on the g-field generator which appears to have no > special attributes. > > Maxwell. Hi, Maxwell: Are you referring to the Bedini's G-Field generator? Really, I never can't understand haw can work at overunity. My prototype never give more than 60% eff. Vicente -- Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga E-mail: vramos@ctv.es Home Page: http://www.ctv.es/USERS/vramos/home.htm Burriana (Castellon) SPAIN From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 12 06:55:58 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id GAA11090; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 06:54:56 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 06:54:56 -0700 (PDT) From: HLafonte@aol.com Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 09:53:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970812095150_-2074716504@emout13.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Fwd: Two coil experiment instead of newman motor ? Resent-Message-ID: <"tt8UA.0.Bj2.li6yp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4956 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: --------------------- Forwarded message: Subj: Two coil experiment instead of newman motor ? Date: 97-08-12 09:51:17 EDT From: HLafonte To: Newman-L@emachine.com The poll for the building of a large Newman motor stopped at close to thirty five. I wonder if anyone would be interested in doing the same as far as sharing the cost, but build and test Newman's two coil experiment. I think large coils would be best, so the effect would be more pronounced. I have videotape of demo. and if the test proved his statements true, with respect to the "two coil experiment", then that in it's self would be a major discovery. The instruments used to make measurements would have to be very accurate and the results repeatable. I could have the coils built for free, (labor) and also build the force indictator my self. Wire would be the only cost and I could probably get the instruments on loan. Any takers? Comments, Butch From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 12 06:58:55 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id GAA14982; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 06:58:21 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 06:58:21 -0700 X-Sender: rmuha@mail Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199708120039.KAA13887@nornet.nor.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 09:58:08 -0400 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: ralph muha Subject: Re: Barkhausen Battery ? Scalar waves FAQ ? Resent-Message-ID: <"wZeNd1.0.zf3.yl6yp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4957 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >Can you clarify, in terms of "superposition", what the difference is between >the above and a bifiliar coil, or a magnetic or electrostatic bucking field >achieved with paired coils and capacitors respectively? > >Peter Nielsen This suggests a question that I have about bifiliar vs caduceus coils. In the schematic for the scalar pulse generator, the bifiliar is driven in series, from one end with the other end shorted. Doesn't this introduce a small phase delay between the current in each section of the coil? So, during the initial moment of discharge, a magnetic field builds up at the start of the coil that isn't canceled until the charge comes back down the other half to create the canceling field. One could drive the coils in parallel from both ends, but there would still be an initial delay before the fields canceled each other. With the caduceus coil, the current in each half of the coil is always in phase, so the fields always cancel. Does this imply that caduceus is better than bifiliar? r From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 12 08:46:33 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id IAA30524; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 08:45:12 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 08:45:12 -0700 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 08:45:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708121545.IAA21671@germany.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: mrandall@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Michael Randall Subject: Re: Hertz-Quincke effect for self-rotation electrical machine Resent-Message-ID: <"pFbHl1.0.nS7.7K8yp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4958 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 02:43 AM 8/12/97 +0400, Alexander V. Frolov wrote: >Self-rotating Hertz's machine > >There is Hertz-Quincke effect, discovered in 1881. Dielectrical cylinder [snip] Any English published info on this effect available? >This old real perpetuum mobile, discovered by Hertz, require constant >electric potential field as source, and that field can be created by the >conventional generator connected with the rotor. How high the voltage required? Current? >There are no problems in principle. Let's built it to test. Any estimate of cost or equipment required to build a unit? >There is a question: why this effect is excluded from textbooks? Don't >talk me, I know the answer. A lot of interesting facts are excluded from >our textbooks. So, let's publish it now for research people. > >Alexander V. Frolov > Hi Alexander, Interesting device. Do you have the time and funding to build a unit? Sounds close to T.T. Brown's work? To date no one has replicated an ou effect with Brown's design. Best Regards, Michael Randall From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 12 11:05:41 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id LAA24386; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 11:04:50 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 11:04:50 -0700 X-Sender: richarda@mailhub.icx.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <33EFF0A9.14BB014D@microtronics.com.au> References: <33ED1C39.A3856C96@microtronics.com.au> <33EF6F12.223B@tiac.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 14:05:27 -0400 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Richard Austin Subject: SMOT improvements Resent-Message-ID: <"pJLX_.0.xy5.0NAyp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4959 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Greg, Would it be possible to contain the ball in a glass or plastic tube to reduce friction and prevent the spin losses associated with the unequal radii of the track? Richard Austin -- email: richarda@icx.net -- radio: KG7SU Check out the Institute for Planetary Renewal at http://user.icx.net/~richarda From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 12 11:40:55 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id LAA16989; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 11:39:50 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 11:39:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: From: "Saylor, Robert" To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: Ampere's Pendulum? Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 13:37:51 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"mBI_n2.0.L94.ptAyp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4960 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I saw a reference in an article to a device called Ampere's Pendulum. This is a wire U shape suspended on thread. When a large voltage is applied to the ends it swings away from the voltage source, supposedly at a rate much higher than can be explained by the discharge of the voltage source. Anyone ever hear of this or reproduce the results? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 12 12:58:27 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id MAA24002; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 12:57:07 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 12:57:07 -0700 Message-ID: <33F0144F.5AB4@mail.dux.ru> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 11:44:15 +0400 From: "Alexander V. Frolov" Reply-To: frolov@mail.dux.ru Organization: Home Lab X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Hertz-Quincke effect for self-rotation electrical machine References: <199708121545.IAA21671@germany.it.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"G5thx2.0.ws5.H0Cyp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4961 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Michael Randall wrote: > > At 02:43 AM 8/12/97 +0400, Alexander V. Frolov wrote: > >Self-rotating Hertz's machine > > > >There is Hertz-Quincke effect, discovered in 1881. Dielectrical cylinder > [snip] > > Any English published info on this effect available? I saw only Russian physical textbooks. > How high the voltage required? Current? Ask Mr. Hertz, please. But current is not required!!! If your capacitor will be a very good, the current is minimum. > Any estimate of cost or equipment required to build a unit? Who will work on it? Where? The lab must have high voltage source. A big capacitor with liguid dielectric + dielectrical rotor + some EM generator. Some equipment to measure the output. > Interesting device. Do you have the time and funding to build a unit? I am unemployed from April, but I am waiting for beginning of the work with some well-known company from Arizona. So, my funds and time are very limited now. Do it yourself, please. I'll help by email all I can. > Sounds close to T.T. Brown's work? To date no one has replicated an ou > effect with Brown's design. ??? It is not correct. Hertz's effect of 1881. Brown's work is dated from 1925 to 1965. I saw all his patents. His method is fine, but it is other direction. Best regards, Alexander V. Frolov From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 12 13:01:22 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id MAA02428; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 12:59:35 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 12:59:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33F01664.7270@mail.dux.ru> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 11:53:08 +0400 From: "Alexander V. Frolov" Reply-To: frolov@mail.dux.ru Organization: Home Lab X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Ampere's Pendulum? Sigalov's effect! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"0KFrJ2.0.Ub.K2Cyp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4962 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Saylor, Robert wrote: > > I saw a reference in an article to a device called Ampere's Pendulum. > > This is a wire U shape suspended on thread. When a large voltage is > applied to the ends it swings away from the voltage source, supposedly > at a rate much higher than can be explained by the discharge of the > voltage source. > > Anyone ever hear of this or reproduce the results? There was lot of Russian research in this area. The name of the author is Mr. Sigalov. For example, if connect charged powerful capacitor to V-shape conductor, the force is created to move it from the capacitor. It is not so interesting to play with it, since the current must be a very big. So, any device require powerful source. Alexander V. Frolov From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 12 13:30:32 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id NAA32281; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 13:29:49 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 13:29:49 -0700 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 14:35:49 -0600 (MDT) From: Steve Ekwall X-Sender: ekwall2@november To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: SMOT Mk3 Magnetic Array In-Reply-To: <33EF99D7.6BEE@tiac.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"giMGZ1.0.Iu7.yUCyp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4963 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 11 Aug 1997, Bob Shannon wrote: > > Steve Ekwall wrote: > > Tool to 'Start the SMOT?!' > > Would/Wouldn't a spring-loaded "say, reverse spring-loaded PEN-Type" > > Starter > > answer your 'exact number(s) question. ---Big snip--- > Bob Shannon wrote: > I'm not willing to say its O/U untill we KNOW the total energy input to > output ratio. Greg will point out that SMOT has no output, that any > energy produced is used to keep the ball in motion, overcomming internal > losses. > If I can incline my ramp to a 12mm loft and get -roll-around- THEN say use a suger-cubed sized starting ramp of 10mm (Invision small little playground slide here) Balance the ball at the Top of the slide .. and leave alone until started by (say, blowing it off with with ones own breath)(or touching it with a feather/ or light finger touch) or even 'just LET GO of the ball at 10mm incline heighth' How could the 'GAIN' to 12mm be explained over and over again.. Multiple (1-5 minutes running time)? my ffSMOT design has Two (2) smot ramps 180 degrees apart (although having built smotI and seeing the 'power' of it, I'm sure One (1) properly adjusted smot ramp *CAN* close the loop. Anyway, I would think that a starting height of 10mm going to 12mm and 12mm an 12mm etc.. would indeed be 'on the right track' > > Hmmmm, Greg seems to think that most builders are using the same > starting method he is now using. > Have you built the smot 1,2 or 3 yet yourself?? It's Really worth the time and trouble and only about $10 - $20. / parts. -snip- > We need to have the total energy input, and total energy > output, errrr, there is NO energy output, so we need to know the total > energy used by the motion of the ball up to the point it comes to rest. -snip- As to smot TOY design OUTput energy (agree'd) although one clever lister here mentioned running a wire or two in/under or beside the track to catch the pulse of the metal ball as it rolled around. I thought that could be a good gauge of balance also (as in an adjustment tool) but, however small, (And I note that this is a TOY at this point), that *would be OUTput* -no?? -snip- > > Over unity is not about how it looks like it operates, or how we think > it operates, its about the real numbers, actual measurments of how it > operates. > -snip- Sorry about restating the above again, but aren't 10mm START and 12mm RUNNING "Real Numbers"?? This is little like trying to measure a yo-yo if you don't know the hand that is trying to throw it down.. It sure seems simple, but appears to include everything under the sun! :) -I started my ffsmot design, because of the fragile nature of "stick-pins" in wood in Greg's smot1 design / every attempt eventually 'shook' itself apart in one direction or another. I'm continuing to build on it (though not as fast as Greg would like I'm sure (week-end hobbist:), as once anybody tries any of the design's (1,2,or 3...) they should be able to feel and see the anomaly! Understood that others had failed wiht their ramps (more ff fumble-fingers like me!:).. but please note that my above questions are asked in the light that I seem to be cursed or Blessed in that my very first attempt must have been in perfect alignment and literally shot through the ramp and rolled of the table. (No Pins - sigh :( and I've been determined to isolate & re-make that feature since). Best to you & yours se From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 12 13:55:16 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id NAA10946; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 13:53:55 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 13:53:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708122053.NAA22475@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: experimental time wave generator Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 12:50:17 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"cT9oH3.0.tg2.VrCyp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4964 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Charlie and all! > > Time variations have been measured between high and low altitude on > > the Earth's surface using atomic clocks. Where is the acceleration? > > The rotational speed of the earth is not constant, so it will experience > acceleration at some points. The greater the altitude, the greater the > acceleration at that instant. Yes, its clear that relativistically there would be a small difference between the two clocks, one arbitrarily taken as the reference frame. > > Additionally, the orbital speed of the earth varies depending upon the > distance from the sun. We travel faster in January than in June. Depending > upon where these clocks are located, I can see that this could contribute > to acceleration differences as well. It seems that if you use clocks as measures of acceleration you bring the idea of absolute space in through the back door. Why stop with the orbiting of the Earth? What about the movement of the solar system around the galaxy or toward the Great Attractor? If we assume the existence of an absolute space frame then these would all enter into the calculation of time and the time rate would be different on every planet in our solar system. Maybe it is, but I think it is a lot more likely that there is NO absolute frame of reference for space OR TIME. The measurements of time at different altitudes assume an absolute standard of time, that is, they assume that it is possible to have two standard oscillators whose beats match. But this is an abstraction and even the most superb atomic clocks have a slight error. Even discounting that, imagine your two excellent atomic clocks sitting near each other. Now one of them is subjected to some perturbation like an intense magnetic field that throws the clock off. The difference between the clocks will be instantly apparent, but there is no way to tell without yet another time reference in another location WHICH of the two clocks has the "right" time. And then it is only a case of "majority rules". It seems apparent to me that TIME IS MADE BY CLOCKS. This is not as specious a statement as it might sound, because I refer to all oscillators as clocks. There appear to be "beats" at every level of reality from the subatomic to the cosmic. I could say more, but I'll save it for another post... Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 12 14:59:21 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id OAA20102; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 14:57:46 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 14:57:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708122158.OAA13114@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: Ampere's Pendulum? Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 14:07:57 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"U7ZLX2.0.zv4.NnDyp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4965 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Robert, This relates to the work of Peter Graneau and others on longitudinal (Ampere) forces in a current carrying wire. According to Ampere's original version of the electrodynamic law there is a force between unit lengths of a current-carrying wire. This is what is revealed in this experiment. There is an amazing body of work out there on this and related phenomena. I must have 300 pages of journal articles on this and I quit collecting it a while back. The articles on water arc explosions caused by these longitudinal forces are especially amazing. I suggest a reference search for anything by Peter Graneau. Yes, this experiment has been repeated many times with the same results. It is not as well known as it should be that the basic laws relating forces between charges OR currents in a wire OR space have several alternative formulations --and that experiment favors almost all versions over the orthodox one! Fred > I saw a reference in an article to a device called Ampere's Pendulum. > > This is a wire U shape suspended on thread. When a large voltage is > applied to the ends it swings away from the voltage source, supposedly > at a rate much higher than can be explained by the discharge of the > voltage source. > > Anyone ever hear of this or reproduce the results? > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 12 15:04:04 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id PAA17753; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 15:03:17 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 15:03:17 -0700 Message-Id: <199708122204.PAA16160@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: "Free Energy" , Subject: Re: Ampere's Pendulum? Sigalov's effect! Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 15:01:10 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"i0Ln11.0.HL4.asDyp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4966 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Alexander and all, > > > Anyone ever hear of this or reproduce the results? > > There was lot of Russian research in this area. The name of the author > is Mr. Sigalov. For example, if connect charged powerful capacitor to > V-shape conductor, the force is created to move it from the capacitor. > > It is not so interesting to play with it, since the current must be a > very big. So, any device require powerful source. The interesting thing about Peter Graneau's experiments with this force is that yes, the current is high, but the SHORTER the pulse the more force was created. These experiments have been duplicated in at least one amateur lab. Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 12 17:06:39 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id RAA09600; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 17:04:45 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 17:04:45 -0700 (PDT) From: HLafonte@aol.com Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 20:02:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970812200059_65788168@emout12.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: How was test conducted on two Newman coils ? Resent-Message-ID: <"8b8EE2.0.qL2.MeFyp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4967 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >From Butch LaFonte: Brian said> Butch, you can do the 2 coil experiment for under 10 dollars. I just used magnet wire from radio shack. I used the 22 gau wire that comes already on a spool.there was about 100 feet on it and it measured 10 ohms. Then I took another one of the identical spools and unwrapped the wire that came on it and put some 40 gau wire equaling 10 ohms on it for the secound coil. I had set it up just like on Joes video and it works the same way. But I think that this only proves the theory of amp-turns and a magnetic feild. Naturally the coil with more amp turns is going to have a greter magnetic field. It was still cool to see. Hope this helps. snip> Brian, Was the voltage during the switch on period the same or were the wave forms different? Was the coulomb count the same for both on periods? ( 6,280,000,000,000,000,000 electrons per second for one coulomb ) (1 amp ) How accurate was the timing for the on period ? nano seconds? I would find it hard to believe that the two power reading were to the decimal point, how much did they differ? What variables did you look at between the two coils ( proportion might play a part here, were they the same with respect to the effect of the magnetic field due to the shape of the magnetic field, ect. ). Different shape of coil can cause different effects. Was there a spark at the breaking of the circuit ? Were the switch times the same or done by hand ? Please tell me how you went about this, that making sure that the amount of power was the same for both coils. Thanks, Butch From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 12 17:53:03 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id RAA15630; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 17:51:48 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 17:51:48 -0700 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 17:51:42 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Hertz-Quincke effect for self-rotation electrical machine In-Reply-To: <33EF957F.2334@mail.dux.ru> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"h40IR.0.3q3.ZKGyp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4968 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Tue, 12 Aug 1997, Alexander V. Frolov wrote: > Self-rotating Hertz's machine > > + - > + + - + - - > + + - + - - > + + - + - - > + + - x + - - > + + - + - - > + + - + - - > + + - + - - > + - Hi Alex! Do you know if a solid cylinder is required? I have 8cm dia *hollow* cylinders (2L plastic Coca-cola bottles) with glass needle bearings, also a small 500KV VandeGraaff generator, I'll try it tonight. My intuition says: sign is wrong, and relaxation delay should cause a restoring force, resulting in decelleration, not acceleration. "Dielectric friction" effects appear as the cylinder interacts with the e-field. This would be similar to dielectric losses which appear when high frequency potential is applied across a capacitor, and delayed polarization causes energy loss and heating of the dielectric. Analogy: if a steel sphere is placed between magnet poles, when the sphere is mechanically, spun the domain orientation only changes after a time delay, with the result that the sphere experiences "friction" and is slowed and heated. But enough of Why It Cannot Work. I'll drag out the VDG and try it. If a solid cylinder is required, perhaps I can fill a cola bottle with lard, and suspend it from plastic monofilament. .....................uuuu / oo \ uuuu........,............................. William Beaty voice:206-781-3320 bbs:206-789-0775 cserv:71241,3623 EE/Programmer/Science exhibit designer http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/ Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com SCIENCE HOBBYIST web page From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 12 17:53:21 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id RAA15834; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 17:52:41 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 17:52:41 -0700 From: openway@nor.com.au Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 10:52:22 +1000 Message-Id: <199708130052.KAA00140@nornet.nor.com.au> X-Sender: openway@pophost.nor.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: experimental time wave generator Resent-Message-ID: <"dIvL62.0.Ht3.MLGyp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4969 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >I agree that the vibratory rate of the particles defines the time rate for >these particles. But everything is vibrating at different rates. There are >these differentials everywhere. In fact it would be difficult to create a >situation where a time rate differential of this sort does not exist. How >is that we experience everything as part of our own time continuum? > >My suggestion is that we will not notice anomalous effects unless a time, >or vibratory, rate is CHANGING in relation to the measurement time frame. > The vibrational difference between particles translates into a coherent dynamic relationship to each other because 1) they move in relation to the same center of gravity, and 2) they physically interact at the same ambient field intensity. If either factor is changed, a temporal distortion will result. Time is interferrence, or an "adjustment", between two energetically remote systems. I would also say that we don't experience passage of time, we experience memory. There is no tangible reference point beyond the present. What we are measuring with instruments, and seeing in nature, are the telltale signs of energy gain or loss. IOW FE. >I still think that a nonmechanical system >with tank circuits will do the same thing though. > It seems "God" does not agree, which is why we are living on a rotating sphere. Peter Nielsen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 12 18:14:41 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id SAA16966; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 18:08:32 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 18:08:32 -0700 (PDT) From: HLafonte@aol.com Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 21:06:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970812205844_-420790398@emout09.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Application of "Y" magnetic flux deflector Resent-Message-ID: <"eG59Y2.0._84.DaGyp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4970 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Greg, I have a drawing of an application for my "Y" shaped flux routing device you put on your site for me . I will be sending it in next day or two. It operates in a static mode now. Butch LaFonte From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 12 19:17:48 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id TAA31826; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 19:17:06 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 19:17:06 -0700 Message-Id: <199708130218.TAA30244@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: experimental time wave generator Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 19:22:39 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"-nvVi1.0.3n7.WaHyp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4971 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Peter, > > >I still think that a nonmechanical system > >with tank circuits will do the same thing though. > > > > It seems "God" does not agree, which is why we are living on a rotating sphere. > God made oceans but if I go to Hawaii I won't be swimming :-) Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 12 19:28:58 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id TAA29926; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 19:28:12 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 19:28:12 -0700 (PDT) From: HLafonte@aol.com Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 22:26:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970812222308_166436833@emout14.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: 80% efficient thermopile??? Resent-Message-ID: <"_tOx_.0.VJ7.wkHyp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4972 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Jorg, What if that thermopile could operate off the condensor of a heat pump !!!!!!!!! That would be to good to be true though, right ? Butch LaFonte From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 12 20:12:42 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id UAA10813; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 20:11:11 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 20:11:11 -0700 Message-ID: <33F2148C.7966@triode.net.au> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 13:09:49 -0700 From: Maxwell X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Flux switch generator report available ! References: <199708120739.AAA28006@mail1.halcyon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"TEKFf.0.re2.FNIyp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4973 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Fred Epps wrote: > > By the way, credit for the design of the first flux-switching alternator > > appears to go to Dr William McLean and associates at the Naval Ordinance > > Test Station, Inyokern, California, who designed miniture Flux-switching > > alternators for use in air-borne equipment. This was in 1955. A 3 inch > > diameter generator produced 3 kilwatts at 50,000 RPM and was driven by a > > gas turbine. > > > > Later designs by Ecklin are based on this earlier work. > > Do you have a ref for this early work? Or.. do you happen to know if they > CALLED them flux-switching alternators, to help me look it up in the Nav. > Ord. reports? > > Fred Hi Fred and Jack (love the tenticles...:-)), Yes, There is a paper called "Design Principles of Flux Switching Alternators", by Rauch/Johnston, published in the Dec 1955 issue of American Institute of Electrical Engineering (vol 74/1955 part III Power apparatus and systems). The drawings shown in the Ecklin patent are from this article. Also see "High-Frequency Alternators" also by Rauch/Johnston in AIEE Aug 1954 for photos. The date makes these devices public domain (?). Whether Dr McClean actually invented the FSA or not I dont know. It may have been one of Tesla's unpublished designs or even ET back-engineering. It also may well be that you can buy one of these alternators "off the shelf". Someone might like to look into this. I was going to make one of these things but the hardest part is getting the laminations made. Also John Ecklin claims that the steel industry were using similar units to melt steel. He says these can be modified to go o/u. Fred, if you find anything ... let us know... -- Maxwell. "grabs tenticle...." From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 12 20:32:31 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id UAA14218; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 20:31:58 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 20:31:58 -0700 Message-Id: <199708130331.WAA14875@dsm7.dsmnet.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Dean T. Miller" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 22:32:24 (-050 Subject: Re: experimental time wave generator Priority: normal In-reply-to: <199708121204.IAA002.28@cougar.ssi.stratus.com> References: <199708112203.PAA15276@mail1.halcyon.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.52) Resent-Message-ID: <"DmqVu.0.-T3.igIyp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4974 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi, > Time variations have been measured between high and low altitude on > the Earth's surface using atomic clocks. Where is the acceleration? Maybe I'm missing something, but I thought we were under constant acceleration on the Earth. As a reminder -- Gravity (whether it's a push or a pull) provides us with an acceleration of 1G. As you get farther from the surface (either up or down) that acceleration changes. Also, anything on the circumference of a rotating circle is experiencing acceleration, since acceleration is the rate-of-change in velocity or direction of a body. Changing the radius or rate of rotation will change the acceleration. -- Dean -- from Des Moines (KB0ZDF) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 12 20:54:23 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id UAA09073; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 20:53:48 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 20:53:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708130354.UAA00351@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: 80% efficient thermopile??? Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 20:58:15 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"qPaZw2.0.fD2.8_Iyp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4975 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Butch and all, Harold Aspden's site has more info about the thermopile. In it Harold says: "there was eventually a mysterious deterioration in performance with repeated testing. Strachan could not resolve this problem and the initial sponsorship support was withdrawn. In the event, this author (Aspden) has persevered and now believes that the deterioration is easily remedied." I highly recommend his site in general. The URL is http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~haspdn/ ---------- > Jorg, > What if that thermopile could operate off the condensor of a heat pump > !!!!!!!!! > That would be to good to be true though, right ? > Butch LaFonte > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 12 21:38:48 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id VAA14875; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 21:38:03 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 21:38:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708130438.VAA01330@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: Flux switch generator report available ! Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 21:32:26 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"JeE7t.0.Je3.eeJyp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4977 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Maxwell, I will get this information this week at the library. Thanks for the refs! > > There is a paper called "Design Principles of Flux Switching > Alternators", by Rauch/Johnston,. >It may have been one of > Tesla's unpublished designs or even ET back-engineering. Seems a little too common-sense for ETs, or for that matter, Tesla. Or, was Tesla an ET? :-) > > It also may well be that you can buy one of these alternators "off the > shelf". Someone might like to look into this. I was going to make one of > these things but the hardest part is getting the laminations made. > > Also John Ecklin claims that the steel industry were using similar units > to melt steel. He says these can be modified to go o/u. > > Fred, if you find anything ... let us know... > will do! Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 12 21:38:59 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id VAA14851; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 21:37:56 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 21:37:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708130438.VAA01237@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: experimental time wave generator Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 21:41:06 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"cATxA.0.yd3.YeJyp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4976 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Dean, > Also, anything on the circumference of a rotating circle is experiencing > acceleration, since acceleration is the rate-of-change in velocity or > direction of a body. Changing the radius or rate of rotation will change > the acceleration. > This is the key point to me. Rotating discs are always accelerating so they are in a sense sources of inertial energy. Gyroscopes are interesting because the acceleration is also accelerating. By my supposition about time, one would expect to see changes in the time rate with gyroscopes that would show up as anomalous energy. There are certainly plenty of gyroscope anomalies out there to support this idea. Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 12 22:09:32 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id WAA18297; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 22:08:54 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 22:08:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 22:07:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708130507.WAA29749@denmark.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: mrandall@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Michael Randall Subject: Re: Hertz-Quincke effect for self-rotation electrical machine Resent-Message-ID: <"Q53uv2.0.nT4.a5Kyp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4978 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 11:44 AM 8/12/97 +0400, Alexander V. Frolov wrote: >Michael Randall wrote: >> >> At 02:43 AM 8/12/97 +0400, Alexander V. Frolov wrote: >> >Self-rotating Hertz's machine >> > >> >There is Hertz-Quincke effect, discovered in 1881. Dielectrical cylinder >> [snip] >> >> Any English published info on this effect available? >I saw only Russian physical textbooks. I checked my copy of "Electrostatic Motors, Their History, Types, and Principles of Operation", by Oleg Jefimenko, and couldn't find any reference to the Hertz-Quincke effect. >> How high the voltage required? Current? >Ask Mr. Hertz, please. But current is not required!!! If your capacitor >will be a very good, the current is minimum. > >> Any estimate of cost or equipment required to build a unit? >Who will work on it? Where? The lab must have high voltage source. A big >capacitor with liguid dielectric + dielectrical rotor + some EM >generator. Some equipment to measure the output. Well this is out of my range of available equipment and parts. Bill Beaty said he had the available components and would give it a try. >> Interesting device. Do you have the time and funding to build a unit? >I am unemployed from April, but I am waiting for beginning of the work >with some well-known company from Arizona. So, my funds and time are >very limited now. Do it yourself, please. I'll help by email all I can. > >> Sounds close to T.T. Brown's work? To date no one has replicated an ou >> effect with Brown's design. >??? It is not correct. Hertz's effect of 1881. Brown's work is dated >from 1925 to 1965. I saw all his patents. His method is fine, but it is >other direction. Its amazing how the Hertz effect of 1881 is not in any english textbook. >Best regards, > >Alexander V. Frolov > Hi Alexander, Thank you for sharing your research. Best Regards, Michael Randall From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 12 22:50:58 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id WAA23269; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 22:50:22 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 22:50:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708130550.WAA20060@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: Hertz-Quincke effect for self-rotation electrical machine Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 22:47:25 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"9jY8o1.0.Rh5.QiKyp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4979 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Michael, > I checked my copy of "Electrostatic Motors, Their History, Types, and > Principles of Operation", by Oleg Jefimenko, and couldn't find any reference > to the Hertz-Quincke effect. The whole 8th chapter is about nothing else. It was not discovered by Hertz, according to Jeffimenko, so his name isn't mentioned. I think if you read this chapter you will agree that the effect is not even close to overunity, although it is an interesting effect. Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 12 23:15:29 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id XAA25650; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 23:14:45 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 23:14:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 23:13:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708130613.XAA21098@denmark.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: mrandall@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Michael Randall Subject: Re: Hertz-Quincke effect for self-rotation electrical machine Resent-Message-ID: <"xmGs_3.0.hG6.J3Lyp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4980 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 10:47 PM 8/12/97 -0700, you wrote: >Hi Michael, > > >> I checked my copy of "Electrostatic Motors, Their History, Types, and >> Principles of Operation", by Oleg Jefimenko, and couldn't find any >reference >> to the Hertz-Quincke effect. > >The whole 8th chapter is about nothing else. It was not discovered by >Hertz, according to Jeffimenko, so his name isn't mentioned. > >I think if you read this chapter you will agree that the effect is not even >close to overunity, although it is an interesting effect. > >Fred > Hi Fred, Thanks for the update. An interesting effect and according to the research of Secker (1968) on liquid-immersed motor reported in 1896 by G. Quinche no overunity was discovered. Best Regards, Michael Randall From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 12 23:17:10 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id XAA25813; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 23:16:43 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 23:16:43 -0700 (PDT) To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 23:10:16 -0700 Subject: Dragone magnet energy paper fixed Message-ID: <19970812.231147.4422.3.tv@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2,4-11,13-25 From: tv@juno.com (Tim D Vaughan) Resent-Message-ID: <"I8WBP2.0.EJ6.75Lyp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4981 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Oops I goofed, I posted a rough draft of a paper written by the physicist Leon Dragone which he was not able to finish before he died of a heart failure. Sorry I left off some of the pages somehow and then was away for a few days so I didn't get it fixed until now. Sorry about that ! I took the suggestion of J. Naudin and converted the last four pages to line art which save bandwidth. The rest of the pages are black and white photo images scanned from the fax pages he sent me in September, 1989. I can do the same for those later. While Dragone does not give any breakthroughs, he does give some food for thought. It was his attempt to explain the cooling phenomena he observed with a Joseph Newman (ferromagnetic core) motor he built. You can find it at: http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/4810/dragone1.html ( remember the file name must be typed exactly as it appears above because UNIX is picky about case ) Tim Vaughan ( tv@juno.com ) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 12 23:20:04 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id XAA10520; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 23:19:27 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 23:19:27 -0700 Message-ID: <33F0A673.2CE8@mail.dux.ru> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 22:07:47 +0400 From: "Alexander V. Frolov" Reply-To: frolov@mail.dux.ru Organization: Home Lab X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fred Epps CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Weller effect References: <199708130115.SAA13554@mail1.halcyon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"hvESQ2.0.Da2.j7Lyp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4982 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Fred Epps wrote: > > Hi Alexander, > > Here is a scan of the gadget you have been talking about. > > Fred > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > Name: Quinke.gif > Part 1.2 Type: GIF Image (image/gif) > Encoding: base64 > Description: Quinke (GIF Image) !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thank you very much. It is quite well figure for idea demonstartion. But for powerful version it must be made as a cylinder rotor (increase the surface in many times). Best respects, Alexander V. Frolov From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 12 23:20:12 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id XAA10568; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 23:19:48 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 23:19:48 -0700 Message-ID: <33F0A590.657@mail.dux.ru> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 22:04:00 +0400 From: "Alexander V. Frolov" Reply-To: frolov@mail.dux.ru Organization: Home Lab X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Hertz-Quincke effect for self-rotation electrical machine. Special rule by Polivanov References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"FdZae3.0.0b2.38Lyp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4983 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: William Beaty wrote: > > On Tue, 12 Aug 1997, Alexander V. Frolov wrote: > > > Self-rotating Hertz's machine > > > > + - > > + + - + - - > > + + - + - - > > + + - + - - > > + + - x + - - > > + + - + - - > > + + - + - - > > + + - + - - > > + - > > Hi Alex! Do you know if a solid cylinder is required? I have 8cm dia Yes, sure. More than just solid cylinder, since the special condition by Polivanov is required (Russian scientist of Moscow University who worked ion this topic long time). This special rule is: epsilon1/epsilon2 > gamma1/gamma2, where epsilon1 and epsilon2 are dieleictrical factor for liquid and material of rotor; gamma1 and gamma2 are specific conductivity for liquid and material of rotor. People, I see nobody found the info about this well-known effect in your textbooks or in your physics reference book. May be anybody have unlimited acess in the Net to try to seek info by keywords "Hertz+Quincke+Sumoto. Alexander V. Frolov From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 13 00:31:36 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id AAA02957; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 00:30:58 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 00:30:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 00:29:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708130729.AAA08494@denmark.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: Barkhausen Battery ? Scalar waves FAQ ? Resent-Message-ID: <"2Y24_1.0.4k.lAMyp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4984 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 09:58 AM 8/12/97 -0400, Ralph wrote: >This suggests a question that I have about bifiliar vs caduceus coils. > >In the schematic for the scalar pulse generator, the bifiliar is driven >in series, from one end with the other end shorted. This is a non-inductive type of winding where the conventional magnetic fields cancel, reducing the self inductive coupling. -and helping the scalar coupling? >With the caduceus coil, the current in each half of the coil is always >in phase, so the fields always cancel. In the drawing of a caduceus coil (Not your average construction project), where the turns overlap, the current in the two turns is going in the same direction, so don't the magnetic fields ADD here??? Where do they cancel? >Does this imply that caduceus is better than bifiliar? > -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 13 04:31:42 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id EAA04500; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 04:30:59 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 04:30:59 -0700 Message-ID: <33F16A3C.1904@microtronics.com.au> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 17:33:08 +0930 From: Greg Watson Reply-To: gwatson@microtronics.com.au Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: SMOT Mk2 Beta 4 "Rollaway" design References: <970812200524_100433.1541_BHG72-1@CompuServe.COM> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"QxPJ02.0.D61.ohPyp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4985 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Chris Tinsley wrote: > > Greg, > > > I will ship a SMOT Mk2 Beta 4 "Rollaway" unit to Bill Beaty, Scott > > Little, Barry Merriman and Chris Tinsley at my cost. I trust they > > will report what they find. > > Thanks. I'll report in full, including a note in Infinite Energy. > > My address is: > > 127 Wollaton Vale, Nottingham NG8 2PE, UK. Tel/fax +44-115-925-4308. > > Chris HI Chris, That's fine by me. Would like to receive a pre-review before you publish. OK? -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Phone / PC Fax ...... 61 8 8270 2737 E-mail .............. gwatson@microtronics.com.au Home Page ........... Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 13 04:31:45 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id EAA04545; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 04:31:06 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 04:31:06 -0700 Message-ID: <33F16F56.CE9@microtronics.com.au> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 17:54:54 +0930 From: Greg Watson Reply-To: gwatson@microtronics.com.au Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: SMOT Mk2 Beta 4 "Rollaway" design References: <199708122204.PAA12875@pop1.ucdavis.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"IDcjx3.0.w61.vhPyp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4986 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dan Quickert wrote: > > Greg, > > [snip] > >I will ship a SMOT Mk2 Beta 4 "Rollaway" unit to Bill Beaty, Scott > >Little, Barry Merriman and Chris Tinsley at my cost. I trust they will > >report what they find. > [snip] > > That's good, but... umm... what about the rest of us? I don't imagine that > you've forgotten us, but it would help to hear your current plans in that > regard. I haven't. Remember I will ship SMOT Mk3 circular ramps to ALL SMOT buyers. > Last I'd heard, the first batch of kits was scheduled to ship on Monday > (yesterday, local time). Do you have a new schedule in mind? It would help > if you could establish a timeline and keep us informed regularly of its status. I tried to build a SMOT Mk3 magnet array design that would work with the SMOT Mk2 Beta 3 kits, but I failed. The ramps are too steep. Make NO mistake about it. The SMOT Mk2 Beta 3 kits, with their 3-4mm elevated magnet arrays, will do a rollaway, but its still like getting the SMOT Mk1's to do a "Climb and Drop". Can be done, but tricky. My goal always has been a SMOT unit with NO adjustments. I can't achieve that with the SMOT Mk2 Beta 3 kits. Sorry. > I well understand the need for continued development, and to wait to ship a > working device. But I reluctantly add myself to the list of those who point > out that at *some* stage, development must be temporarily frozen so that a > unit may be shipped. We sent our orders with the understanding that what we > receive may be very difficult to adjust to optimum operation, and > closed-loop operation was not guaranteed. I have frozen the design. Its just that I am not very happy with the need for a lot of fiddling / adjustments. Opens up too many doors that could go in a negative direction. > Patience and understanding are virtues of which I'm often accused of having > far too much for my own good. The former would be easier if, when the > milestones must be modified, they are changed realistically (and not too > many times) and clearly communicated. The ONLY goal I have ever had with the SMOT Mk2 Beta 3 kits is NO adjustment "Rollaways". I still don't fully understand why there is such a wide variation from unit to unit. I suspect the rate of the exit field falloff (how the magnet arrays are built) and the exact point (array overhang and ramp length) where the drop occurs is where its all at. I have found that 0.1mm changes cause observable effects. > Respectfully, > > Dan Quickert Hi Dan, Thanks for the kind words and support. I will put the SMOT Mk2 Beta 3 kits back together and get them shipped. They WILL do a level, equal height "Rollaway", but you will have to fiddle to get it. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Phone / PC Fax ...... 61 8 8270 2737 E-mail .............. gwatson@microtronics.com.au Home Page ........... Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 13 06:41:33 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id GAA28415; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 06:40:02 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 06:40:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33F1E1FE.4A4D@tiac.net> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 09:34:06 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Reply-To: bshannon@tiac.net Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Barkhausen Battery ? Scalar waves FAQ ? References: <199708120039.KAA13887@nornet.nor.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Xi-J41.0.qx6.iaRyp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4987 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: openway@nor.com.au wrote: > > >Caduceus coils, standing wave interference between paired transmission > >lines (standing wave interference), radiated wave interference between > >paired antennea elements, modulating shielded E or B fields, there are > >many methods of producing true field superposition, rather than field > >distortion. This is the key. > > > >Bob Shannon > > > > IOW at the intersection of two EM waves, of equal amplitude and frequency, > arises a scalar function, or virtual particle flux. Assuming that the waves are 180 degrees out of phase, yes. We must suppress any electromagnetic expression of the potentials in opposition. > Can you clarify, in terms of "superposition", what the difference is between > the above and a bifiliar coil, or a magnetic or electrostatic bucking field > achieved with paired coils and capacitors respectively? This difference was the subject of a fairly long running discussion here some months back. The thread was somthing like "differences in the field(s)...". Basically, if we take two conventional coils, and connect them in series, but orient them such that the poles of the two coils are in opposition, what is often called 'bucking fields', we will find that the total inductance is greater than that of a single coil. The total energy stored in the fields of the two coils is not significantly effected by their orientation, and the system is highly inductive. All we have done is to distort the flux, we have not canceled ANY flux at all. On the other hand, if we were to construct a bifilar coil with exactly the same ammount of wire, we would find that the coil had nearly no inductance at all, and stores no significant energy in the form of a magnetic field. Some have argued that the field is still present, even though the current through such a coil reaches E/R in a time limited by stray inductance alone. but when we interrupt the circuit, such a coil return NO energy from this supposed field. In this case, it appears that we have actually canceled flux, that is the flux from adjecent bifilar windings has undergone true superposition, or added algebraically to essentially zero magnetic flux. Note that when we deal with whole poles of permanent magnets, or conventional coils, this NEVER happens. This apparent difference in magnetic field behavior is not a matter of physical scale as some had suggested, as the bifilar coil simply does not store, nor return any energy as an inductive coil does. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 13 06:56:13 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id GAA00845; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 06:51:50 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 06:51:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33F1E4CB.76ED@tiac.net> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 09:46:03 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Reply-To: bshannon@tiac.net Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Time rate and extra power References: <199708120133.SAA13525@mail1.halcyon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"YbTw93.0.1D.plRyp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4988 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Fred Epps wrote: > > Hi Peter! > > I said: > > >I don't know. How do you get virtual particles to the point where they > > >become measurable quantities? > > > > Scalar wave detectors. But ALL measurments are simply the exchange of virtual particles, they are always measurable quantities! > I guess when I think of virtual particles I am thinking of the subatomic > particles that supposedly arise and disappear out of the vacuum flux. I > didn't realize we were talking about scalars. But all EM waves are patterns of virtual particles. The individual particles come and go, but the EM wave is a pattern impressed on space itself, on the virtual particle flux. This is not unlike how any individual electron may only jump from atom to atom infrequently, yet the current flowing through the conductor is constant. Each electron only plays its part in the dance for a moment, then steps asside for others to take over the role. With an EM wave in free space, virtual particles take the place of inter-atomic electrons in a conductor, virtual particles join and leave the dance all the time, but the wave still moves along. Scalar waves are also patterns of virtual particle flux, but the geometeries of the potentials are different, rather like how current and voltage may be out of phase in an AC current. Different types of detectors (EM, scalar) only respond to specific geometeries of potentials, just as different types of particles and forces only interact, or couple, in specific ways. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 13 07:28:36 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id HAA05098; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 07:26:02 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 07:26:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33F1ECC9.758E@tiac.net> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 10:20:09 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Reply-To: bshannon@tiac.net Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Fwd: Two coil experiment instead of newman motor ? References: <970812095150_-2074716504@emout13.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"TK1L-.0.ZF1.sFSyp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4989 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: HLafonte@aol.com wrote: > > --------------------- > Forwarded message: > Subj: Two coil experiment instead of newman motor ? > Date: 97-08-12 09:51:17 EDT > From: HLafonte > To: Newman-L@emachine.com > > The poll for the building of a large Newman motor stopped at close to thirty > five. > I wonder if anyone would be interested in doing the same as far as sharing > the cost, but build and test Newman's two coil experiment. I think large > coils would be best, so the effect would be more pronounced. I have videotape > of demo. and if the test proved his statements true, with respect to the "two > coil experiment", then that in it's self would be a major discovery. The > instruments used to make measurements would have to be very accurate and the > results repeatable. I could have the coils built for free, (labor) and also > build the force indictator my self. Wire would be the only cost and I could > probably get the instruments on loan. Any takers? > Comments, > Butch Newman's two coil experiment eh? Been there, done that. I HIGHLY reccomend that you do persue this experiment!! Mr. Newman has described this 'effect' as being fundemental to his theory, and testing it is quite easy. I dont think you will need very large coils at all to see if the magnetic field is at all time directly proportional to the total energy over time used to reach constant current for small or large coils. What is cirtically important is that you monitor the changing current as the field grows, and integrate the total energy used to reach that field intensity. A simple A/D board and software will do here. What is also cirtically important is to monitor any drop in applied voltage due to high current demands of the smaller coil, high internal impeadance batteries (such as nine volt batteries) should not be used, a regulated power supply is the best option here. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 13 07:35:44 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id HAA31456; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 07:34:46 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 07:34:46 -0700 Message-ID: <33F1EF20.5C42@tiac.net> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 10:30:08 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Reply-To: bshannon@tiac.net Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Barkhausen Battery ? Scalar waves FAQ ? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ZsjaL3.0.Mh7.5OSyp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4990 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: ralph muha wrote: > > >Can you clarify, in terms of "superposition", what the difference is between > >the above and a bifiliar coil, or a magnetic or electrostatic bucking field > >achieved with paired coils and capacitors respectively? > > > >Peter Nielsen > > This suggests a question that I have about bifiliar vs caduceus coils. > > In the schematic for the scalar pulse generator, the bifiliar is driven > in series, from one end with the other end shorted. > > Doesn't this introduce a small phase delay between the current in > each section of the coil? So, during the initial moment of discharge, > a magnetic field builds up at the start of the coil that isn't canceled > until the charge comes back down the other half to create the canceling field. Yes, it does, but because the resulting configuration is not significantly inductive, this delay is very short, far shorter than the pulse rise time. > One could drive the coils in parallel from both ends, but there would > still be an initial delay before the fields canceled each other. If driven by two drivers, given equal conductor lenghts, there would be no delay. The pulse generator schematic was intended as a simple test rig only, and it works quite well. The idea is that the fields simply do not form at all, they dont first form, then cancel, their formation is suppressed, as is evident by the lack of inductance and stored energy in the form of a magnetic field. > With the caduceus coil, the current in each half of the coil is always > in phase, so the fields always cancel. That depends on how its driven. If I connect the two conductors in series, as was done with the bifilar coil, then the caduceus coil has the same delay as a bifilar coil. You could connect a bifilar coils windings in parallel as easily as with a caduceus coil, or use two drivers. > > Does this imply that caduceus is better than bifiliar? No. In my testing, I have found that the greater mean distance between opposed conductors in a caduceus coil causes highly distorted magnetic flux to leak from the coil, and as a result, they retain more net inductance than a well made bifilar coil does. This lowers current rise times, and expresses the potentials as EM waves. As scalar production appears proportional to the dV/dT, we clearly want as little net inductance as possible, which makes perfect sense from a flux superposition perspective. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 13 07:55:00 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id HAA08485; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 07:53:56 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 07:53:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33F1F351.5E9A@tiac.net> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 10:48:01 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Reply-To: bshannon@tiac.net Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: SMOT Mk3 Magnetic Array References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"NcX4C3.0.T42.yfSyp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4991 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Steve Ekwall wrote: > -snip- > Sorry about restating the above again, but aren't 10mm START and 12mm > RUNNING "Real Numbers"?? This is little like trying to measure a yo-yo if > you don't know the hand that is trying to throw it down.. It sure seems > simple, but appears to include everything under the sun! :) If we had constant operation, these might do for real numbers, but because the device does not remain in constant operation, we need to integrate the total energy input, and used while the ball remained in motion. If the ball becomes fixed in the magnetic field, we must also account for the unsticking force. You and Greg seem to exclude this significant energy. This is reality, even of Greg sees it some other way. Remember that a bit of metal can be attracted to a magnet, and it looks like work was done ONLY because you have not yet accounted for the energy needed to unstick that bit of metal. Clearly this is taking place in SMOT if the ball gets stuck to the magnets OR trapped at the top of the ramp, still within the magentic field. > -I started my ffsmot design, because of the fragile nature of "stick-pins" > in wood in Greg's smot1 design / every attempt eventually 'shook' itself > apart in one direction or another. I'm continuing to build on it (though > not as fast as Greg would like I'm sure (week-end hobbist:), as once > anybody tries any of the design's (1,2,or 3...) they should be able to > feel and see the anomaly! "See and feel the anomaly", what about measruments to show if there is indeed an anomaly? I can 'see and feel' what simply MUST be work being done when a magnet lifts a paper clip off my desk, as long as I'm careful not to try to remove that paper clip from the magnet. So what about the unsticking force when we have to restart the SMOT? Why is this excluded? > Understood that others had failed wiht their ramps (more ff > fumble-fingers like me!:).. but please note that my above questions are > asked in the light that I seem to be cursed or Blessed in that my very > first attempt must have been in perfect alignment and literally shot > through the ramp and rolled of the table. (No Pins - sigh :( and I've been > determined to isolate & re-make that feature since). Remember the discussion of Bedini's magnetic gates, people were real sure we had an over unity effect, right up to the point where we had to integrate the total input energy (small energy over a long period vs. high exit energy over a short period.) but once all the energy over time was accounted for, the device was found to be fully conventional. Such an audit appears never to have been done for SMOT. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 13 08:14:40 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id IAA13228; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 08:12:56 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 08:12:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33F1F7C5.71E7@tiac.net> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 11:07:01 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Reply-To: bshannon@tiac.net Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Fwd: More SMOT improvements?] References: <33ED1C39.A3856C96@microtronics.com.au> <33EF6F12.223B@tiac.net> <33EFF0A9.14BB014D@microtronics.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"elwtM1.0.TE3.mxSyp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4992 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Greg Watson wrote: > > Bob Shannon wrote: > > > > Quite right Greg! If you simply shipped devices that were, well, lets > > say 'difficult', you would ahve drawn fire for that. Sounds like your > > being put between a rock and a hard place here! > > I have NEVER said that the SMOT devices were anything but experimantal > and that individual results would depend on how good you got at > adjusting the units. Understood! I was simply saying it seems that your being put on the spot no matter which path you had chosen, a damned if you do, damned of you don't situation. > I will expand on an earlier comment that I made on the SMOT Mk3 circular > ramp. You seem to have missed it. > > With the magnetic arrays removed, the ball, when released from the top > of the ramp, droping down the 90 deg exit, will make it, on average, > 30-40% around the ramp's inclining 1.5mm in 100mm slope until it stops > and rolls back down to the bottom and stops. The curved N gauge track > is very lossy due to its unequal radius turns causing the ball to both > roll and skid around the track. I had caught that point Greg. Understood. > There is NO way, by just pushing the ball off the top of the ramp, the > ball will return to the top of the ramp again yet make several > circuits. Look at the plans. I've seen them Greg. Look at my posts. > I haven't said this for a long time and I really tried not to. > > BOB, your comments are very welcome, but they are not based on reality. > If you had just built one SMOT ramp, you would know about now sensitive > the exits are and what the comments about the ball jumping off the track > refers to. Not based on reality eh? Greg, basic physics here, it looks like work was done when a magnet attracts a bit of metal, right up to the point that we have to unstick that bit of metal to repeat the cycle. Your not accounting for the unstick energy, and you appeare reluctant to account for all the energy over time, from start to stop. As we learned from the bit of metal and magnet, this is not reality. Lots of things look and feel like OU, depending on what you account for, and what you leave out of the picture. The only way you know aht is real, is to account for everything, and check the numbers. So you have the look and feel, why is asking for the numbers not reality? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 13 09:54:06 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id JAA26940; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 09:52:54 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 09:52:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 12:51:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Jason Aldo To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: 80% efficient thermopile??? In-Reply-To: <970812222308_166436833@emout14.mail.aol.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"4l1vl.0.qa6.XPUyp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4993 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Tue, 12 Aug 1997 HLafonte@aol.com wrote: > Jorg, > What if that thermopile could operate off the condensor of a heat pump > !!!!!!!!! > That would be to good to be true though, right ? > Butch LaFonte > > Butch, Those are exactly the plans I had for it! Pete Aldo From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 13 10:48:55 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id KAA07007; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 10:47:09 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 10:47:09 -0700 (PDT) From: HLafonte@aol.com Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 13:45:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970813134514_-319960418@emout06.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Go ahead for Newman two coil test project (Project Sunshine) Resent-Message-ID: <"Vt8Dc1.0.Jj1.NCVyp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4994 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: After alot of thought, I believe the test of the Newman two coil experiment can answer alot of questions. The basic principal of the Newman motor, ( the magnetic field is a product of the mass of the wire, not the current ) can be tested here. The test will have to be well thought out and documented in a proper matter. The testing equipment will have to be near state of the art. Test must be done on video and assisted by a staff of engineers, people with credentials in mechnical and electrical engineering, and physics, ect. There must be no "gray" areas in the test results! Coils will be shipped to those who share in the cost if they choose to do so, at their expense, so they can do their own testing. I think 100 pounds per coil would be a good size to test. I will get some figures together on wire ect. and anyone wanting to join in group, please send post. Thanks, Butch LaFonte From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 13 10:55:19 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id KAA08053; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 10:54:38 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 10:54:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve_Kirkman_at_BI-USA@astec.com Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 11:35:33 -0700 Encoding: 27 Text To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Cc: bshannon@tiac.net Subject: SMOT energy input Message-Id: <97Aug13.113016pdt.23090@firewall.astec.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"7VbuY2.0.kz1.SJVyp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4995 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Bob worte in part: >Remember that a bit of metal can be attracted to a magnet, and it looks >like work was done ONLY because you have not yet accounted for the >energy needed to unstick that bit of metal. Clearly this is taking >place in SMOT if the ball gets stuck to the magnets OR trapped at the >top of the ramp, still within the magentic field. I'm kind of new to this so let me see if I understand you correctly, you are saying when you unstick the ball from the magnet you are inputting energy into the system. That makes sense, is the energy stored in the ball, in the magnet, or are you just replacing the energy used to move the ball off the track and onto the magnet? And if it is stored in the magnet, wouldn't that increase the magnet's field? What if by some lucky chance I managed to set up a unit where the ball didn't leave the track and also didn't stop until I stopped it? ( Don't get excited, I haven't done it yet!) How would I go about taking measurements of all energy input onto the system? You mentioned that it needs to be integrated over the running time. Any ideas would be appreciated. Thanks in advance! Steve From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 13 11:13:57 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id LAA12077; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 11:12:06 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 11:12:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33F221C8.5C08@tiac.net> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 14:06:16 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Reply-To: bshannon@tiac.net Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Go ahead for Newman two coil test project (Project Sunshine) References: <970813134514_-319960418@emout06.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Ru3_o1.0.cy2.pZVyp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4996 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: HLafonte@aol.com wrote: > > After alot of thought, I believe the test of the Newman two coil > experiment can answer alot of questions. The basic principal of the Newman > motor, ( the magnetic field is a product of the mass of the wire, not the > current ) can be tested here. The test will have to be well thought out and > documented in a proper matter. The testing equipment will have to be near > state of the art. Test must be done on video and assisted by a staff of > engineers, people with credentials in mechnical and electrical engineering, > and physics, ect. There must be no "gray" areas in the test results! > Coils will be shipped to those who share in the cost if they choose to do > so, at their > expense, so they can do their own testing. I think 100 pounds per coil would > be a good size to test. I will get some figures together on wire ect. and > anyone wanting to join in group, please send post. > Thanks, Butch LaFonte I highly support this effort, but I must disqualify myself from this project. I've looked into the 'Two Coil' experiment in the past, and I have formed an opinion, and doubt my objectivity in this matter. I would like to point out that 100 lb coils are overkill, bigtime. It might be best to duplicate as closely as possible the coils Mr. Newman used in his demonstration. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 13 11:27:43 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id LAA22207; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 11:26:19 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 11:26:19 -0700 Message-ID: <33F2255D.44F5@tiac.net> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 14:21:33 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Reply-To: bshannon@tiac.net Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steve_Kirkman_at_BI-USA@astec.com CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: SMOT energy input References: <97Aug13.113016pdt.23090@firewall.astec.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"rmZLb.0.uQ5.9nVyp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4997 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Steve_Kirkman_at_BI-USA@astec.com wrote: > > Bob worte in part: > > >Remember that a bit of metal can be attracted to a magnet, and it looks > >like work was done ONLY because you have not yet accounted for the > >energy needed to unstick that bit of metal. Clearly this is taking > >place in SMOT if the ball gets stuck to the magnets OR trapped at the > >top of the ramp, still within the magentic field. > > I'm kind of new to this so let me see if I understand you correctly, you > are saying when you unstick the ball from the magnet you are inputting > energy into the system. Yes, or the simple act of picking a paperclip up off my desk with a magnet is over unity operation. Conventional physics tells us otherwise, because to repeat the cycle, we must use an equal or greater amount of energy to unstick the paperclip from the magnet as was used to stick it there in the first place. This is not over unity operation. > That makes sense, is the energy stored in the ball, in the magnet, or are > you just replacing the energy used to move the ball off the track and onto > the magnet? And if it is stored in the magnet, wouldn't that increase the > magnet's field? You are only borrowing that energy, and you must repay the debt when we unstick the ball. You have not gotten away with any "free" energy. > What if by some lucky chance I managed to set up a unit where the ball > didn't leave the track and also didn't stop until I stopped it? ( Don't > get excited, I haven't done it yet!) How would I go about taking > measurements of all energy input onto the system? You mentioned that it > needs to be integrated over the running time. Any ideas would be > appreciated. If the ball remained in constant motion, things would be very different indeed! To measure the total energy input, where the ball does become trapped in the magnets field, we must know the kenetic energy used to start the ball, and add this to the energy needed to first unstick, and then to restart the ball. This total energy input value must be compared with the total energy needed to keep the ball in motion over the duration of operation. One practical method (suggested months agon on freenrg-l) would be to use stroboscopic photography, and produce a velocity profile for the ball from start to finish. We would have to integrate the total energy under that curve, and then see where we stand in relation to the total energy input value. Clearly this is not trivial! (This is probably the only reason such measurments have not been done to date.) There was a lot of discussion early on about the ball escaping the field of the magnets, but popular demand wanted a closed cycle. Greg dug in, and made a closed loop device, the only problem being that it stopps after a fairly short duration. Not knowing the ratio of total energy input to output, its hard to say where the SMOT stands in terms of over unity claims. How this falls beyond Greg's notions of reality escapes me. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 13 13:25:33 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id NAA23433; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 13:24:17 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 13:24:17 -0700 Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 13:23:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708132023.NAA08210@italy.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: Barkhausen Battery ? Caduceus coils Resent-Message-ID: <"ewIgV2.0.-j5.lVXyp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4998 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 09:34 AM 8/13/97 -0700, Bob S. wrote: >>> Can you clarify, in terms of "superposition", what the difference is between >> the above and a bifiliar coil, or a magnetic or electrostatic bucking field >> achieved with paired coils and capacitors respectively? > >This difference was the subject of a fairly long running discussion here >some months back. The thread was somthing like "differences in the >field(s)...". > Could you please give an estimate what month so I can read the archived postings? >On the other hand, if we were to construct a bifilar coil with exactly >the same ammount of wire... > it appears that we have actually canceled flux, that is >the flux from adjecent bifilar windings has undergone true >superposition, or added algebraically to essentially zero magnetic flux. I measured the inductance of the following coils, each 30 turns total. 1) Solenoid on ferrite core: 45uH, Q=170 2) Solenoid without core: 3uH, Q=80 3) Caduceus coil, 2x15 turns, 30 crossings 38uH, Q=100 4) Bifilar 2x15 turns, windings opposed 1.5uH, Q=30 I could detect the magnetic field with a compass on coils 1), and 3), using a current of 1.5 Amp. It doesn't appear that the Caduceus coil cancels the overall magnetic field. Can someone help? -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 13 14:39:41 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id OAA23409; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 14:39:04 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 14:39:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33F23724.27CA@sunherald.infi.net> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 15:37:25 -0700 From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" Reply-To: stk@sunherald.infi.net Organization: Good question! X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: FTL as an energy source?!? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"DZah53.0.gj5.rbYyp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4999 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Greetings: This may at first seem to have nothing to do with free energy, but... Physists say that faster than light travel is impossible. Why? It causes causality violations. No, it doesn't! Cosmic ray particles collide with the upper atmosphere, moving at the speed of light. The speed of light in a VACUUM that is. The speed of light in the atmosphere is lower, so they are for a moment travelling locally faster than light! My point is: Once you have broken the speed of light, you can keep accelerating on up from there. Why don't cosmic rays? Well, they don't have rocket engines on them. Thought experiment: Accelerate up to 299,900 km/sec in a vacuum. Have your engines put to full thrust, and shoot dust in front of your ship that when dispersed will have a lightspeed limit of 299,800 km/s. When you enter the dust, you can keep accelerating since you have BROKEN THE SPEED OF LIGHT. Just before you exit the dust, fire up an antimatter booster that sends you up to 300,100km/sec. When you exit the dust cloud, you are travelling 100km/sec FASTER THAN THE SPEED OF LIGHT IN A VACUUM! How simple this is! Tell me what you think. I'll explain the energy production later. Kyle Mcallister From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 13 14:45:11 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id OAA24231; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 14:43:28 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 14:43:28 -0700 (PDT) From: FLORESI1@westatpo.westat.com Date: Wed, 13 Aug 97 15:39:23 EDT Encoding: 28 Text Message-Id: <9707138715.AA871512182@westatpo.westat.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Go ahead for Newman two coil test project (Project Sunsh Resent-Message-ID: <"mxpEP3.0.Rw5.ufYyp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5000 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Sorry, I'm new, so I haven't read pervious messages to this but, how can I join? Thank you ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Go ahead for Newman two coil test project (Project Sunshine) Author: freenrg-l@eskimo.com at internet-e-mail Date: 8/13/97 1:50 PM After alot of thought, I believe the test of the Newman two coil experiment can answer alot of questions. The basic principal of the Newman motor, ( the magnetic field is a product of the mass of the wire, not the current ) can be tested here. The test will have to be well thought out and documented in a proper matter. The testing equipment will have to be near state of the art. Test must be done on video and assisted by a staff of engineers, people with credentials in mechnical and electrical engineering, and physics, ect. There must be no "gray" areas in the test results! Coils will be shipped to those who share in the cost if they choose to do so, at their expense, so they can do their own testing. I think 100 pounds per coil would be a good size to test. I will get some figures together on wire ect. and anyone wanting to join in group, please send post. Thanks, Butch LaFonte From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 13 17:47:51 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id RAA11105; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 17:47:00 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 17:47:00 -0700 Message-ID: <33F2540A.22A5BC4F@microtronics.com.au> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 10:10:42 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List Server Freenrg Subject: Re: [Fwd: More SMOT improvements?] X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <33ED1C39.A3856C96@microtronics.com.au> <33EF6F12.223B@tiac.net> <33EFF0A9.14BB014D@microtronics.com.au> <33F1F7C5.71E7@tiac.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"36Gkr.0.Qj2.3Mbyp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5001 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Bob Shannon wrote: > > Greg, basic physics here, it looks like work was done when a magnet > attracts a bit of metal, right up to the point that we have to unstick > that bit of metal to repeat the cycle. I agree fully with this. > Your not accounting for the unstick energy, and you appeare reluctant to > account for all the energy over time, from start to stop. As we learned > from the bit of metal and magnet, this is not reality. The necessity to unstick the ball from the magnets only occurs because of unwanted variations in the exit characteristics, NOT because the ball has completed a CYCLE. The ball, if manually dropped down the 8mm exit ramp, will complete 30% of one circuit. With the magnet arrays in place, the ball will complete MANY circuits. The number of circuits completed is NOT related to the energy input but adjustments and design. As the ball will complete approx 30% of one circuit without the magnets, we could say that the energy gained in dropping down the 8mm exit ramp is equal to the ramp losses of 1/3 of a circuit. Therefore the energy required to complete ONE circuit would be approx equal to 3 X the energy acquired by the 8mm drop. To do 10 circuits (approx 20 seconds) would then require approx 30 times the initial drop energy. To do 30 circuits (approx 60 seconds) would then require approx 90 times the initial drop energy. To do 150 circuits (approx 5 minutes) would then require approx 450 times the initial drop energy. As only magnetic attraction forces are involved here, there is no spring compression involved. I don't understand where you think this spring compression (manual energy input) occurs. The SMOT effect is NOT a TOMI like device which does require you to manually input energy to position the magnetic roller at the start point. > Lots of things look and feel like OU, depending on what you account for, > and what you leave out of the picture. The only way you know aht is > real, is to account for everything, and check the numbers. The frictional losses are real and the losses can be approx measured as above. > So you have the look and feel, why is asking for the numbers not > reality? Hi Bob, You should be able to do some numbers based on the above. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Phone / PC Fax ...... 61 8 8270 2737 E-mail .............. gwatson@microtronics.com.au Home Page ........... Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 13 18:06:07 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id SAA14492; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 18:03:43 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 18:03:43 -0700 Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 18:03:36 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: reply-to's In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"DS_nX2.0.GY3.jbbyp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5002 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Wed, 13 Aug 1997, ralph muha wrote: > how come some of the messages on the list show up with > > >Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > in the header, and others don't? > > it's kind of annoying when you reply to something > and it doesn't go where you think it's going... :-) Good question! Looks to me like some freenrg-L users have their email programs set to generate a Reply To line which directs replies to their personal address. The freenrg-L software refuses to override this, so if an incoming message does not already have a Reply To, only then does freenrg-L add its own. To cause less confusion, subscribers might wish to change their email software options so they don't generate "reply to" on their end. A quick look at the received messages shows who doesn't have "Reply To:freenrg-l@eskimo.com", but instead has their own addr. .....................uuuu / oo \ uuuu........,............................. William Beaty voice:206-781-3320 bbs:206-789-0775 cserv:71241,3623 EE/Programmer/Science exhibit designer http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/ Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com SCIENCE HOBBYIST web page From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 13 18:24:33 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id SAA23862; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 18:22:45 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 18:22:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: rmuha@mail Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 21:21:15 -0400 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: ralph muha Subject: Re: Barkhausen Battery ? Scalar waves FAQ ? Resent-Message-ID: <"uccFD2.0.gq5.Utbyp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5003 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Bob Shannon wrote: >If driven by two drivers, given equal conductor lenghts, there would be >no delay. The pulse generator schematic was intended as a simple test >rig only, and it works quite well. so, if you can generate scalar pulses with a bifiliar coil, can you use one to detect them? why do you need a barkhausen detector? r From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 13 19:04:20 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id TAA01031; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 19:02:37 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 19:02:37 -0700 (PDT) From: openway@nor.com.au Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 12:00:02 +1000 Message-Id: <199708140200.MAA16668@nornet.nor.com.au> X-Sender: openway@pophost.nor.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: experimental time wave generator Resent-Message-ID: <"upuJo3.0.vF.uScyp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5004 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >> Also, anything on the circumference of a rotating circle is experiencing >> acceleration, since acceleration is the rate-of-change in velocity or >> direction of a body. >> Acceleration in relation to what? The discussion was about the Earth. When you're on the disk (sphere) it is not "accelerating", except in terms of some external reference point, from which we are presumeably proposing to extract energy. A change in the rate of rotation _would_ be acceleration, in conventional terms. Due to the complex structure of the solar system, etc., everything is always changing direction anyway. This is not accleration in the sense we ordinarily use the term. Let's be consistant about what order of acceleration we are referring to. Peter Nielsen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 13 19:20:16 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id TAA04896; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 19:18:59 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 19:18:59 -0700 (PDT) From: bpaddock@csonline.net (Bob Paddock) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: FTL as an energy source?!? Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 21:29:31 -0400 Organization: is mostly via piles Reply-To: bpaddock@csonline.net Message-ID: <79l8zUQy8kqV092yn@csonline.net> References: <33F23724.27CA@sunherald.infi.net> In-Reply-To: <33F23724.27CA@sunherald.infi.net> Lines: 16 Resent-Message-ID: <"G7Y6h2.0.HC1.6icyp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5005 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >Physists say that faster than light travel is impossible. Actually I think they say you can't EXCEED the speed of light. There is nothing that says a 'particle' born above the speed of light can't continue on its way to infinite velocity. Its MINIMUM bound is the speed of light, it can go no slower than that. -- For information on any of the following check out my WEB site at: http://www.usachoice.net/bpaddock Chemical Free Air Conditioning/No CFC's, Chronic Pain Relief, Electromedicine, Electronics, Explore!, Free Energy, Full Disclosure, KeelyNet, Matric Limited, Neurophone, Oil City PA, Philadelphia Experiment. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 13 19:20:57 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id TAA04935; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 19:19:04 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 19:19:04 -0700 (PDT) From: bpaddock@csonline.net (Bob Paddock) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Barkhausen information Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 22:02:31 -0400 Organization: is mostly via piles Reply-To: bpaddock@csonline.net Message-ID: <3cm8zUQy8YfU092yn@csonline.net> References: <199708120301.UAA03831@mail1.halcyon.com> In-Reply-To: <199708120301.UAA03831@mail1.halcyon.com> Lines: 46 Resent-Message-ID: <"2X4Km.0.yC1.Eicyp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5006 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Let me say up front the URL's below are old, since the web is a moving target they may not be good any more. If they don't work now I don't how to find them other than a new search of the web. >1) The material with the largest volume of magnetic material involved in a >single B-jump: 50% Ni-Fe alloy. The smallest was pure Fe. > Here's some info about Ni-Fe alloys, from the book "Magnetism and >Magnetic Materials" by Jiles. "Correlations and reproducibility in magnetic avalanches" at http://chaos.ph.utexas.edu/~urbach/mag.html site "Reproducibility of magnetic avalanches in a Fe-Ni-Co alloy" (Phys. Rev. Letter 75, p.4694 (1995)). There was a 500k postscript version of this paper there. >2) Obviously it would be good for Bob to figure out a way to twist his >B-battery material. "Universal Power Law in the Noise from a Crumpled Elastic Sheet" by Kramer and Lobkovsky at http://rainbow.uchicago.edu/~kramer/sound.html might be of interest. Mylar. Also search the web for "Ghost Shells". >From http://www.physics.queensu.ca/atherton/barkhausen.html (long ago): "Barkhausen noise has been shown to be sensitive to grain size, composition [impurities], pearlite colony and lamellar spacing. Mechanical parameters such as hardness, residual stress and fatigue have also been shown to influence Barkhausen activity....Barkhausen activity is strongly affect by a materials magnetizing parametes. These factors must be taken into account when developing new magnetic Barkhausen Noise techniques for the nondestructive evaluation of ferromagnetic materials." -- For information on any of the following check out my WEB site at: http://www.usachoice.net/bpaddock Chemical Free Air Conditioning/No CFC's, Chronic Pain Relief, Electromedicine, Electronics, Explore!, Free Energy, Full Disclosure, KeelyNet, Matric Limited, Neurophone, Oil City PA, Philadelphia Experiment. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 13 21:23:40 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id VAA19508; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 21:16:50 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 21:16:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: rmuha@mail Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 00:12:10 -0400 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Bob Shannon (by way of ralph muha) Subject: Re: Barkhausen Battery ? Scalar waves FAQ ? Resent-Message-ID: <"wpqAK2.0.dm4.fQeyp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5007 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: ralph muha wrote: > > Bob Shannon wrote: > > >If driven by two drivers, given equal conductor lenghts, there would be > >no delay. The pulse generator schematic was intended as a simple test > >rig only, and it works quite well. > > so, if you can generate scalar pulses with a bifiliar coil, can you > use one to detect them? why do you need a barkhausen detector? > > r Well, if these scalar waves pass right through conductors and Faraday cages, why should we expect it to react to another bifilar coil? If a passing scalar waves does not induce Eddy currents in a conductor, it will not couple to either shielding, bifilar or conventional coils. It will however alter the phase of an electron wave, according to the Aharnov-Bohm effect, so it can be detected in second order effects. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 13 21:42:52 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id VAA25163; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 21:41:52 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 21:41:52 -0700 Message-ID: <33F2B5A4.2C6C@tiac.net> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 00:37:08 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Reply-To: bshannon@tiac.net Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Fwd: More SMOT improvements?] References: <33ED1C39.A3856C96@microtronics.com.au> <33EF6F12.223B@tiac.net> <33EFF0A9.14BB014D@microtronics.com.au> <33F1F7C5.71E7@tiac.net> <33F2540A.22A5BC4F@microtronics.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"clKfZ.0.096.Foeyp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5008 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Greg Watson wrote: > > Bob Shannon wrote: > > > > Greg, basic physics here, it looks like work was done when a magnet > > attracts a bit of metal, right up to the point that we have to unstick > > that bit of metal to repeat the cycle. > > I agree fully with this. > > > Your not accounting for the unstick energy, and you appeare reluctant to > > account for all the energy over time, from start to stop. As we learned > > from the bit of metal and magnet, this is not reality. > > The necessity to unstick the ball from the magnets only occurs because > of unwanted variations in the exit characteristics, NOT because the ball > has completed a CYCLE. Never the less, the ball comes to rest within the field of the magnets, just as does a paper clip, so there may be some 'energy debt' here, just as with the paper clip case. But the point is, you still have to unstick the ball, for what ever reason. > The ball, if manually dropped down the 8mm exit ramp, will complete 30% > of one circuit. With the magnet arrays in place, the ball will complete > MANY circuits. The number of circuits completed is NOT related to the > energy input but adjustments and design. Understood. > As the ball will complete approx 30% of one circuit without the magnets, > we could say that the energy gained in dropping down the 8mm exit ramp > is equal to the ramp losses of 1/3 of a circuit. Therefore the energy > required to complete ONE circuit would be approx equal to 3 X the energy > acquired by the 8mm drop. > > To do 10 circuits (approx 20 seconds) would then require approx 30 times > the initial drop energy. > > To do 30 circuits (approx 60 seconds) would then require approx 90 times > the initial drop energy. > > To do 150 circuits (approx 5 minutes) would then require approx 450 > times the initial drop energy. > > As only magnetic attraction forces are involved here, there is no spring > compression involved. Is it clear that you have not 'borrowed' 450 times the 'small' input energy, that is paid back with the unstick energy, just like the bit of metal above? > I don't understand where you think this spring compression (manual > energy input) occurs. See above, the ball is comming to a rest in the magnetic field, just like the bit of metal, so your energy may be borrowed, not freely given. Like energy 'given' or 'taken' from a spring. The energy that attracted that bit of metal we agreed on earlier is not free, because its paid back in full, usually with interest, when we unstick the bit, or in SMOT, the ball. Why must we include the unstick energy of the bit, but not the ball? Why is SMOT a different case? > Hi Bob, > > You should be able to do some numbers based on the above. Not yet. We are not treating these two cases in the same way! Both are paths that end with the bit (ball) at rest within the field of the magnets. Clearly the ball takes a less direct path, but it does go the same place in the end. So we know we have to account for the unstick force for the bit, I posit that we must also include this for the ball. After all, the bit of metal and magnet is not over unity as we have agreed, but the only differnces between the bit and the ball is the directness of the path taken before it comes to rest in the magnets field, and our accounting for the unstick energy of course. You may have gone around the track many times, but you may have a toll due at the end. I'll bet that unstick force is FAR higher than the 450 times the initial drop energy, and then some. How different are these forces? We have no numbers. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 13 22:13:05 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id WAA31552; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 22:12:12 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 22:12:12 -0700 Message-ID: <33F0AA70.4B23@mail.dux.ru> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 22:24:48 +0400 From: "Alexander V. Frolov" Reply-To: frolov@mail.dux.ru Organization: Home Lab X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Hertz-Quincke effect for self-rotation electrical machine References: <199708130550.WAA20060@mail1.halcyon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"wNPLU3.0.vi7.hEfyp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5009 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Fred Epps wrote: > > I checked my copy of "Electrostatic Motors, Their History, Types, and > > Principles of Operation", by Oleg Jefimenko, and couldn't find any > > reference to the Hertz-Quincke effect. > The whole 8th chapter is about nothing else. It was not discovered by > Hertz, according to Jeffimenko, so his name isn't mentioned. Who is Dr. Efimenko? The person from Virginia? Or he is Master God to know all in this World? > I think if you read this chapter you will agree that the effect is not even > close to overunity, although it is an interesting effect. If you wish, o.k. If someone wish to get o/u, it is possible by this way. Alexander V. Frolov From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 13 22:23:05 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id WAA01109; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 22:22:38 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 22:22:38 -0700 Message-Id: <33F31483.1754B85F@ens.ascom.ch> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 07:21:56 -0700 From: Christian Korfmacher Reply-To: korfmach@ens.ascom.ch Organization: Ascom Business Systems AG X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [de] (Win16; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: SMOT energy input X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <97Aug13.113016pdt.23090@firewall.astec.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Ndes01.0.EH.SOfyp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5010 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Steve_Kirkman_at_BI-USA@astec.com schrieb: > What if by some lucky chance I managed to set up a unit where the ball > > didn't leave the track and also didn't stop until I stopped it? ( > Don't > get excited, I haven't done it yet!) How would I go about taking > measurements of all energy input onto the system? You mentioned that > it > needs to be integrated over the running time. Any ideas would be > appreciated. > > Thanks in advance! > > Steve Not to hard if you have the equipment. All the energy being output from (in my opinion the magnets) some unknown source of energy will finally turn to heat. The ball makes noise, it skids around the curves and it is going through partial magnetization changes. Finally all the energy is converted into heat. So, take a SMOT put it into a calorimeter and measure the energy output. I tried to guestimate the change in temperature of the magnets or the ball if the energy for one rollaraound would be converted into heat or just as an idea the magnets would cool down while releasing energy to the ball. I came up with mK per revolution. So you would need a very sensitive and precise calorimeter. Thats just my opinion. -- Christian Korfmacher Ascom Business Systems Voice:+41 (0)32 6242716 Fax: +41 (0)32 6243156 mailto:hitsch@solnet.ch or mailto:korfmach@ens.ascom.ch Don't worry about people stealing your ideas. If your ideas are that good, you'll have to ram them down people's throats. - Howard Aiken From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 13 22:28:12 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id WAA02147; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 22:27:36 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 22:27:36 -0700 Message-Id: <33F315AF.2DDC02C7@ens.ascom.ch> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 07:26:56 -0700 From: Christian Korfmacher Reply-To: korfmach@ens.ascom.ch Organization: Ascom Business Systems AG X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [de] (Win16; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: reply-to's X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"AxG6l3.0.SX.6Tfyp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5011 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: William Beaty schrieb: > SNIP > Good question! Looks to me like some freenrg-L users have their email > > programs set to generate a Reply To line which directs replies to > their > personal address. The freenrg-L software refuses to override this, so > if > an incoming message does not already have a Reply To, only then does > freenrg-L add its own. > > To cause less confusion, subscribers might wish to change their email > software options so they don't generate "reply to" on their end. A > quick > look at the received messages shows who doesn't have > "Reply To:freenrg-l@eskimo.com", but instead has their own addr. > > .....................uuuu / oo \ > uuuu........,............................. > William Beaty voice:206-781-3320 bbs:206-789-0775 > cserv:71241,3623 > EE/Programmer/Science exhibit designer > http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/ > Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com SCIENCE HOBBYIST web > page Why not set up the list server in a way so that it adds the freenrg-l to the reply to line? Then all would be happy, the sender and the list users. -- Christian Korfmacher Ascom Business Systems Voice:+41 (0)32 6242716 Fax: +41 (0)32 6243156 mailto:hitsch@solnet.ch or mailto:korfmach@ens.ascom.ch Don't worry about people stealing your ideas. If your ideas are that good, you'll have to ram them down people's throats. - Howard Aiken From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 13 22:51:34 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id WAA01200; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 22:49:25 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 22:49:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 22:48:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708140548.WAA02410@sweden.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: mrandall@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Michael Randall Subject: Re: [Fwd: More SMOT improvements?] Resent-Message-ID: <"Exi7Q.0.aI.Wnfyp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5012 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 12:37 AM 8/14/97 -0700, Bob Shannon wrote: >Greg Watson wrote: >> >> Bob Shannon wrote: >> > >> > Greg, basic physics here, it looks like work was done when a magnet >> > attracts a bit of metal, right up to the point that we have to unstick >> > that bit of metal to repeat the cycle. >> >> I agree fully with this. [snip] Hi Bob and Greg, Interesting discussion on describing the SMOT to someone who never seen one operate. Its like the tale of the three blind men touching the elephant and describing three different objects (none of which is an elephant). Good idea Greg on giving Chris (and other publishers) a SMOT model so they can write about it to communicate your important discovery, so it can move forward to an everyday utilitarian power device. Popular Science is another widely read magazine worldwide. Best Regards, Michael Randall From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 13 23:56:27 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id XAA09149; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 23:55:19 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 23:55:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33F2AA16.BA56EB77@microtronics.com.au> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 16:17:50 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List Server Freenrg Subject: Re: [Fwd: More SMOT improvements?] X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <33ED1C39.A3856C96@microtronics.com.au> <33EF6F12.223B@tiac.net> <33EFF0A9.14BB014D@microtronics.com.au> <33F1F7C5.71E7@tiac.net> <33F2540A.22A5BC4F@microtronics.com.au> <33F2B5A4.2C6C@tiac.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"0ltd_2.0.sE2.Jlgyp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5013 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Bob Shannon wrote: > > You may have gone around the track many times, but you may have a toll > due at the end. I'll bet that unstick force is FAR higher than the 450 > times the initial drop energy, and then some. > > How different are these forces? We have no numbers. Hi Bob, Lets look at this from another stop sequence, which actually happens most of the time. Sometimes the ball STOPS at the exit. Still on the track. Not stuck to the side. Anyone who has played with a SMOT ramp will support this. Where it stops is the same position I place the ball to start it. Just at the top of the 90 deg drop point. I think you would agree that the energy required to lift the ball straight up, away from the magnetic field is the same as the energy gain in lowering the ball through the magnetic field to that same starting place. Therefore we have not inputted any NEW energy into the system, but we have used energy from somewhere (ZPE? / Thermal / Something else) to roll the ball around the track, overcome frictional (track & wind), eddy, hysteresis and other losses for many circuits. By knowing the drop distance (8mm) and the resulting rollaround (30%), you should be able to calculate the frictional losses in one circuit. With the magnetic array in place, there will be additional losses associated with the moving ferrous steel ball. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Phone / PC Fax ...... 61 8 8270 2737 E-mail .............. gwatson@microtronics.com.au Home Page ........... Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 14 01:22:32 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id BAA16551; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 01:19:18 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 01:19:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970813130519.006ac118@multinet.net.il> X-Sender: BUSHI@multinet.net.il X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 13:05:19 +0300 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Lev Robert Subject: Re: Fwd: Two coil experiment instead of newman motor ? In-Reply-To: <86339@.multinet.net.il> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"ibnXQ.0.S24.3-hyp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5014 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Butch Watch out not to get entangled in a law suit. Mr Newman acts very strangely if someone is "messing" with his ideas. Remember KMart electric motors!!! Robert At 05:17 PM 12-08-97 GMT+0200, you wrote: > >--------------------- >Forwarded message: >Subj: Two coil experiment instead of newman motor ? >Date: 97-08-12 09:51:17 EDT >From: HLafonte >To: Newman-L@emachine.com > >The poll for the building of a large Newman motor stopped at close to thirty >five. >I wonder if anyone would be interested in doing the same as far as sharing >the cost, but build and test Newman's two coil experiment. I think large >coils would be best, so the effect would be more pronounced. I have videotape >of demo. and if the test proved his statements true, with respect to the "two >coil experiment", then that in it's self would be a major discovery. The >instruments used to make measurements would have to be very accurate and the >results repeatable. I could have the coils built for free, (labor) and also >build the force indictator my self. Wire would be the only cost and I could >probably get the instruments on loan. Any takers? >Comments, >Butch > > BUSHILEV From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 14 02:12:43 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id CAA30099; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 02:12:19 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 02:12:19 -0700 From: JNaudin509@aol.com Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 05:11:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970814051103_1023547488@emout19.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com cc: bshannon@tiac.net, fepps@mail1.halcyon.com Subject: A Scalar Wave generator, The TEP V2.1 Resent-Message-ID: <"Apms21.0.CM7.oliyp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5015 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi All, You will find a new topic about a design of a Scalar waves oscillator my web site at : http://members.aol.com/overunity4/html/scalwidx.htm The TEP v2.1 or the "Time Energy Pump" uses bifilar coils technology for generating standing scalar waves. I shall soon put on my web site a FAQ topic about scalar waves. Thanks to Bob Shannon for answering patiently to all FAQ in Freenrg-list...... :-) In further experiments, I shall propose you to test scalar waves EM propagation and energy collecting. More to come..... Sincerely, Jean-Louis Naudin ( France / GMT+2 ) Email : JNaudin509@aol.com my Overunity WEB Server : http://members.aol.com/JNaudin509/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 14 03:11:04 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id DAA27249; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 03:10:34 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 03:10:34 -0700 (PDT) From: bpaddock@csonline.net (Bob Paddock) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: A Scalar Wave generator, The TEP V2.1 Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 05:58:15 -0400 Organization: is mostly via piles Reply-To: bpaddock@csonline.net Message-ID: <3at8zUQy8wtQ092yn@csonline.net> References: <970814051103_1023547488@emout19.mail.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <970814051103_1023547488@emout19.mail.aol.com> Lines: 20 Resent-Message-ID: <"hwzKP3.0.gf6.Ocjyp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5016 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >I shall soon put on my web site a FAQ topic about scalar waves. >In further experiments, I shall propose you to test scalar waves EM >propagation and energy collecting. I have few reports that improperly done Scalar devices can have sever, and immediate health effects. Such as unconsciousness in one person and a feeling of being 'sick' in a group of people with this person. Experiments need to be done, but every one please don't take health and biological effects lightly, it may be your last mistake. -- For information on any of the following check out my WEB site at: http://www.usachoice.net/bpaddock Chemical Free Air Conditioning/No CFC's, Chronic Pain Relief, Electromedicine, Electronics, Explore!, Free Energy, Full Disclosure, KeelyNet, Matric Limited, Neurophone, Oil City PA, Philadelphia Experiment. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 14 06:00:49 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id GAA26578; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 06:00:02 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 06:00:02 -0700 Message-ID: <33F2FF16.569C@ctv.es> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 14:50:31 +0200 From: Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga Reply-To: vramos@ctv.es X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: A Scalar Wave generator, The TEP V2.1 References: <970814051103_1023547488@emout19.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"E_fuF.0.BV6.H5myp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5017 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: JNaudin509@aol.com wrote: > > Hi All, > > You will find a new topic about a design of a Scalar waves oscillator my web... Hi, Jean. This is an interesting experiment, but: Are you sure the two fluxes are cancelled? L3 (feedback coil) uses the flux of L2, then the flux of L2 not is the same of L1. (It's only my suggestion). Vicente. -- Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga E-mail: vramos@ctv.es Home Page: http://www.ctv.es/USERS/vramos/home.htm Burriana (Castellon) SPAIN From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 14 06:29:56 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id GAA02583; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 06:29:30 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 06:29:30 -0700 Message-ID: <33F33150.534@tiac.net> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 09:24:48 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Reply-To: bshannon@tiac.net Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Fwd: More SMOT improvements?] References: <33ED1C39.A3856C96@microtronics.com.au> <33EF6F12.223B@tiac.net> <33EFF0A9.14BB014D@microtronics.com.au> <33F1F7C5.71E7@tiac.net> <33F2540A.22A5BC4F@microtronics.com.au> <33F2B5A4.2C6C@tiac.net> <33F2AA16.BA56EB77@microtronics.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"KtSoe1.0.Be.uWmyp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5018 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Greg Watson wrote: > > Bob Shannon wrote: > > > > You may have gone around the track many times, but you may have a toll > > due at the end. I'll bet that unstick force is FAR higher than the 450 > > times the initial drop energy, and then some. > > > > How different are these forces? We have no numbers. > > Hi Bob, > > Lets look at this from another stop sequence, which actually happens > most of the time. > > Sometimes the ball STOPS at the exit. Still on the track. Not stuck to > the side. Anyone who has played with a SMOT ramp will support this. Understood, I have discussed this phenomena. If the ball stops at the exit, it clearly lost the needed energy to exit the ramp, so how did the ramp ADD energy in this case? Clearly you LOST energy. Also, while the ball is at rest at the exit point, it is still within the magnetic field, and we still have a resulting unstick force. We have not gotten around the unstick force, although it is much small (how much smaller?) than if the ball is in contact with the magnet face. > Where it stops is the same position I place the ball to start it. Just > at the top of the 90 deg drop point. If the ramp added energy on each and every circuit around the track, its har to understand why the ball stops at all, unless your rolling resistance rises dramatically with ball velocity. Clearly a ball velocity plot over the full travel of the ball would tell us a great deal here. > I think you would agree that the energy required to lift the ball > straight up, away from the magnetic field is the same as the energy gain > in lowering the ball through the magnetic field to that same starting > place. > > Therefore we have not inputted any NEW energy into the system, but we > have used energy from somewhere (ZPE? / Thermal / Something else) to > roll the ball around the track, overcome frictional (track & wind), > eddy, hysteresis and other losses for many circuits. Again, this energy may be borrowed rather than freely given, just as in the simple example we have agreeded upon earlier. Please explain why in the SMOT case you totally discount the 'unstick' energy debt, while you agree that it is a real pheomena for the simple bit of metal and magnet case? > By knowing the drop distance (8mm) and the resulting rollaround (30%), > you should be able to calculate the frictional losses in one circuit. > With the magnetic array in place, there will be additional losses > associated with the moving ferrous steel ball. It is interesting to hear that "most of the time" the internal losses get the better of the claimed energy gain of passing through the ramp. Would you agree that the in the case where the ball stops at the exit point, that out internal losses have been greater than any possible energy gains? A true energy gain should be cumulative, with higher and higher average ball velocities on each circuit around the track. If the rolling resistiance were to increase with ball velocity, we should reach equlibrium at some point. But this is not what happens it seems, the ball comes to rest within the field of the magnets. Conventionally, this implies an energy debt, not a surplus. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 14 08:06:50 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id IAA02104; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 08:06:05 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 08:06:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: richarda@mailhub.icx.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <33F2AA16.BA56EB77@microtronics.com.au> References: <33ED1C39.A3856C96@microtronics.com.au> <33EF6F12.223B@tiac.net> <33EFF0A9.14BB014D@microtronics.com.au> <33F1F7C5.71E7@tiac.net> <33F2540A.22A5BC4F@microtronics.com.au> <33F2B5A4.2C6C@tiac.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 11:05:32 -0400 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Richard Austin Subject: Re: [Fwd: More SMOT improvements?] Resent-Message-ID: <"tzS303.0.nW.Qxnyp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5019 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >Hi Bob, > >Lets look at this from another stop sequence, which actually happens >most of the time. > Are there cases when this does not happen... in which in a properly adjusted= system, the ball goes around increasing in velocity until it reaches a= velocity that matches the resistance forces and thereby acheives a maximum= velocity which is maintained until the system is jiggled out of adjustment= or some mechanical event causes the system to malfunction and then stop?=20 >Sometimes the ball STOPS at the exit. Still on the track. Not stuck to >the side. Anyone who has played with a SMOT ramp will support this. > >Where it stops is the same position I place the ball to start it. Just >at the top of the 90 deg drop point. > >I think you would agree that the energy required to lift the ball >straight up, away from the magnetic field is the same as the energy gain >in lowering the ball through the magnetic field to that same starting >place. > >Therefore we have not inputted any NEW energy into the system, but we >have used energy from somewhere (ZPE? / Thermal / Something else) to >roll the ball around the track, overcome frictional (track & wind), >eddy, hysteresis and other losses for many circuits. > Bob's conjecture, if I understand it, is that the ball rolling around the= track is tantamount to the paperclip jumping to the magnet, but just taking= a much longer time to get there. The paperclip wouldn't jump anywhere= without the magnet just as the ball won't roll very far without the= magnetic attraction. So the question arises... If the ball eventually comes= to rest ... overunity is not happening ... If on the other hand the ball only comes to rest because of a malfunction in= the adjustments of the ramps, etc. then overunity seems quite likely. If the ball accelerates with each revolution reaching a maximum velocity= limited finally by higher resistances, then overunity is certain. So, the question is, what actually happens in the best case, when things are= adjusted well? Do we ever get continued operation that lasts until we stop= it or a maladjustment is induced? > >--=20 >Best Regards, > Greg Watson > > Phone / PC Fax ...... 61 8 8270 2737 > E-mail .............. gwatson@microtronics.com.au > Home Page ........... Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson Richard Austin -- email: richarda@icx.net -- radio: KG7SU Check out the Institute for Planetary Renewal at http://user.icx.net/~richar= da From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 14 08:33:31 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id IAA06406; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 08:32:54 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 08:32:54 -0700 (PDT) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Cc: HLafonte@aol.com Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 21:29:56 -0700 Subject: Re: Go ahead for Newman two coil test project (Project Sunshine) Message-ID: <19970814.082146.10342.1.tv@juno.com> References: <970813134514_-319960418@emout06.mail.aol.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-14,16,18,20-21 From: tv@juno.com (Tim D Vaughan) Resent-Message-ID: <"uJVv63.0.-Z1.YKoyp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5020 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Butch, You might be interested to look at the paper I posted by Leon Dragone. He had some interesting result with a Newman Type coil with a ferrite magnet core. I posted the paper (never finished) at: http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/4810/dragone1.html Tim ( tv@juno.com ) >HLafonte said: > After alot of thought, I believe the test of the Newman two coil >experiment can answer alot of questions. The basic principal of the Newman >motor, ( the magnetic field is a product of the mass of the wire, not the >current ) can be tested here. The test will have to be well thought out and > .... From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 14 08:48:35 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id IAA30680; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 08:46:36 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 08:46:36 -0700 Message-ID: <33F35164.2D3F@tiac.net> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 11:41:40 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Reply-To: bshannon@tiac.net Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Fwd: More SMOT improvements?] References: <33ED1C39.A3856C96@microtronics.com.au> <33EF6F12.223B@tiac.net> <33EFF0A9.14BB014D@microtronics.com.au> <33F1F7C5.71E7@tiac.net> <33F2540A.22A5BC4F@microtronics.com.au> <33F2B5A4.2C6C@tiac.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"YO9tl.0.HV7.RXoyp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5021 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Richard Austin wrote: > > >Hi Bob, > > > >Lets look at this from another stop sequence, which actually happens > >most of the time. > > > > Are there cases when this does not happen... in which in a properly adjusted system, the ball goes around increasing in velocity until it reaches a velocity that matches the resistance forces and thereby acheives a maximum velocity which is maintained until the system is jiggled out of adjustment or some mechanical event causes the system to malfunction and then stop? This is one for the SMOT builders to address. > > >Sometimes the ball STOPS at the exit. Still on the track. Not stuck to > >the side. Anyone who has played with a SMOT ramp will support this. > > > >Where it stops is the same position I place the ball to start it. Just > >at the top of the 90 deg drop point. > > > >I think you would agree that the energy required to lift the ball > >straight up, away from the magnetic field is the same as the energy gain > >in lowering the ball through the magnetic field to that same starting > >place. > > > >Therefore we have not inputted any NEW energy into the system, but we > >have used energy from somewhere (ZPE? / Thermal / Something else) to > >roll the ball around the track, overcome frictional (track & wind), > >eddy, hysteresis and other losses for many circuits. > > > > Bob's conjecture, if I understand it, is that the ball rolling around the track is tantamount to the paperclip jumping to the magnet, but just taking a much longer time to get there. The paperclip wouldn't jump anywhere without the magnet just as the ba ll won't roll very far without the magnetic attraction. So the question arises... If the ball eventually comes to rest ... overunity is not happening ... Basically correct, with the very minor point that we cannot yet know if its over unity, as we have not accounted for all the energies within the system. > > If on the other hand the ball only comes to rest because of a malfunction in the adjustments of the ramps, etc. then overunity seems quite likely. But of we input energy by unsticking the ball, and restarting it, the device runs just as it had prior to stopping, without needed re-adjustments from what I've read. Is this correct Greg? > > If the ball accelerates with each revolution reaching a maximum velocity limited finally by higher resistances, then overunity is certain. Probably, but this is not clear proof if the ball still stops within the field of the magnets. That dreaded unstick energy is still in the picture. We may be counting unhatched chickens by not accounting for this needed restart energy. > > So, the question is, what actually happens in the best case, when things are adjusted well? Do we ever get continued operation that lasts until we stop it or a maladjustment is induced? >From what I have read, and from Greg's last email, the most common stopping mode is for the ball to remain on the track at the exit point of the ramp. but in every case, the ball does indeed stop. This strongly suggests that we are in fact loosing energy overall, even if the ball remains on the track. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 14 09:18:17 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id JAA04227; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 09:17:09 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 09:17:09 -0700 X-Sender: richarda@mailhub.icx.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19970814.082146.10342.1.tv@juno.com> References: <970813134514_-319960418@emout06.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 12:17:48 -0400 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Richard Austin Subject: Re: Go ahead for Newman two coil test project (Project Sunshine) Resent-Message-ID: <"a_qGE1.0.u11.3-oyp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5022 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Tim, have you been able to replicate the experiments described in this paper? Did you talk with him to get more insight into the phenomenon, any info that did not make it into the paper? >You might be interested to look at the paper I posted by >Leon Dragone. He had some interesting result with a Newman Type >coil with a ferrite magnet core. > >I posted the paper (never finished) at: > >http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/4810/dragone1.html > >Tim >( tv@juno.com ) > Richard Austin -- email: richarda@icx.net -- radio: KG7SU Check out the Institute for Planetary Renewal at http://user.icx.net/~richarda From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 14 09:19:02 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id JAA04500; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 09:18:37 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 09:18:37 -0700 From: HLafonte@aol.com Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 12:18:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970814121614_-2074186559@emout17.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Same voltage used on two coil test ? Resent-Message-ID: <"qaxuK2.0.D61.S_oyp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5023 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Question, In any of the discusions on the list, of the Newman two coil test, was there any indication that the same voltage was used for both coils? I have watched the tape three times and have not heard the phrase " same voltage", unless it's just getting by me. Does anyone know if Joe claims to use the same voltage for both coils? Thanks, Butch From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 14 09:27:57 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id JAA07121; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 09:27:13 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 09:27:13 -0700 From: HLafonte@aol.com Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 12:26:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970814122357_788709701@emout06.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: 80 pound and 5 pound coils on two coil test Resent-Message-ID: <"Fwa0L2.0.4l1.V7pyp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5024 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I will be using the same size coils for the Newman two coil test as Joe used in the video. 80 pounds, 10 ga., and 5 pounds, 10 ga.. Thanks, Butch LaFonte Project Sunshine From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 14 09:55:11 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id JAA21647; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 09:54:23 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 09:54:23 -0700 (PDT) From: HLafonte@aol.com Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 12:52:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970814125025_1352135141@emout14.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: What voltage on Newman two coil test? Resent-Message-ID: <"5rRNs2.0.8I5.xWpyp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5025 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Does anyone know what voltage Joe used on his Two coil demo. tape. Thanks, Butch LaFonte From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 14 09:57:47 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id JAA22262; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 09:57:06 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 09:57:06 -0700 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 09:52:33 -0700 Subject: If RMOD then SMOT Message-ID: <19970814.095237.3342.1.tv@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-4,6,8-13 From: tv@juno.com (Tim D Vaughan) Resent-Message-ID: <"2PqTr2.0.iR5.WZpyp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5026 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: If the RMOD goes for 5 days plus who cares if the SMOT ramp gets stuck in 5 minutes. The SMOT is an inferior design but Greg is prevented from sharing it with us without possibly losing patent rights. I sure wish patents wouldn't take so long. Greg is trying to prove the reality of overunity effects in ferromagnetism without giving away all his hard work. Most inventors who make such claims just blow alot of smoke and blame other people for their problems. Lets be patient and give the guy a chance ! Tim Vaughan ( tv@juno.com ) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 14 10:08:17 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id KAA26861; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 10:07:31 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 10:07:31 -0700 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 09:59:00 -0700 Subject: Re: Go ahead for Newman two coil test project (Project Sunshine) Message-ID: <19970814.100152.12462.0.tv@juno.com> References: <970813134514_-319960418@emout06.mail.aol.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-11,13-38 From: tv@juno.com (Tim D Vaughan) Resent-Message-ID: <"FbohH2.0.cZ6.Hjpyp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5027 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Richard, No I did not replicate this experiment. I toss it out as just another hint that there might be a very useful phenomena in ferromagnetism. It sounds similar to the phenomena observed by Greg Watson in his PMOD transformer. Tim ( tv@juno.com ) On Thu, 14 Aug 1997 12:17:48 -0400 Richard Austin writes: >Tim, have you been able to replicate the experiments described in this >paper? > >Did you talk with him to get more insight into the phenomenon, any >info that did not make it into the paper? > >>You might be interested to look at the paper I posted by >>Leon Dragone. He had some interesting result with a Newman Type >>coil with a ferrite magnet core. >> >>I posted the paper (never finished) at: >> >>http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/4810/dragone1.html >> >>Tim >>( tv@juno.com ) >> > > >Richard Austin -- email: richarda@icx.net -- radio: KG7SU >Check out the Institute for Planetary Renewal at >http://user.icx.net/~richarda > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 14 10:09:21 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id KAA27350; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 10:08:59 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 10:08:59 -0700 X-Sender: leoguitar@mail.vossnet.de (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Re: Go ahead for Newman two coil test project (Project Sunshine) Cc: tv@juno.com, newman-l@emachine.com Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 19:12:33 MET Message-Id: <19970814191233.15aef5b3.in@pop3.vossnet.de> Resent-Message-ID: <"u3U051.0.Bh6.gkpyp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5028 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >Butch, > >You might be interested to look at the paper I posted by >Leon Dragone. He had some interesting result with a Newman Type >coil with a ferrite magnet core. > >I posted the paper (never finished) at: > >http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/4810/dragone1.html > >Tim >( tv@juno.com ) > Hi Tim, looks very interesting this paper. I will study it together with Dieter Bauer, who is a specialist in the mathematical theory and tell you our view of it. Surely the linear motor of Newman works this way and Dragone has probably proved its operation with formulars this way. Stay tuned. Thanks, for making this interesting article available ! Best regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 14 10:20:17 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id KAA26575; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 10:18:55 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 10:18:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708141717.MAA19268@dsm7.dsmnet.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Dean T. Miller" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 12:18:13 (-050 Subject: Re: experimental time wave generator Priority: normal In-reply-to: <199708140200.MAA16668@nornet.nor.com.au> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.52) Resent-Message-ID: <"pgBJR3.0.5V6.stpyp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5029 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Peter, > From: openway@nor.com.au > Acceleration in relation to what? In relation to itself. > Due to the complex structure of the solar system, etc., everything is always > changing direction anyway. This is not accleration in the sense we > ordinarily use the term. Um, well, maybe. I normally use the term as it's used in physics, not as used by a race car driver. That famous astrologer, Ike Newton, figured out that physical objects (in our corner of the universe) will continue moving at a constant velocity and a fixed direction unless something pushes them. If an object gets a push, the object feels the push as acceleration. An object that isn't being pushed is said to be in free-fall. A car driver will feel a push back into his seat as he steps on the accelerator which exists until a steady cruising speed is reached. (I'll ignore the push that gravity provides to hold him on the seat.) As long as the car maintains a steady speed in a straight line, there will be no other pushes on the driver. However, as soon as the car enters into a curve, the driver (and everything else in the car) will feel a push toward the outside of the curve. This push is called acceleration according to physics. That's what Einstein meant when he used the term, and his general theory predicts that very accurate clocks will indicate different elapsed times at different distances above the surface of the Earth *when both are viewed from a point on the surface*. > Let's be consistant about what order of > acceleration we are referring to. Let's be. -- Dean -- from Des Moines (KB0ZDF) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 14 10:28:32 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id KAA31298; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 10:28:01 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 10:28:01 -0700 X-Sender: leoguitar@mail.vossnet.de (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Re: Better experiment to prove Joe Newman right ! Cc: newman-l@emachine.com, josephnewman@earthlink.net Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 19:31:40 MET Message-Id: <19970814193140.15c076fc.in@pop3.vossnet.de> Resent-Message-ID: <"3fSL71.0.xe7.W0qyp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5030 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >Question,=20 > In any of the discusions on the list, of the Newman two coil test, was >there any indication that the same voltage was used for both coils? > I have watched the tape three times and have not heard the phrase " same >voltage", unless it's just getting by me. Does anyone know if Joe claims to >use the same voltage for both coils? >Thanks, Butch > > It was always the same voltage. The problem is: tau=3DL/R is unkown, so the time to charge up the coil and the energy put= into the upbuiling magnetic field is not calculated.... This is the key to this experiment, which Joe did not pay attention too or does not worry about...I just don=B4t know... I propose a different experiment, which might be better to prove the effect: Try to lift a very heavy weight iron rod or a huge Permanent Magnet which might have a weight of 1000 punds or more into a linear coil like= this. If you lift it by about 10 cm up in its height, you can calculate the work beeing gained by the rod at: potential energy gain=3D mass x earthacceleration (g) x lifted Height Now compare this to the short pulse of energy you put into the coil. If the coil is build really big and with thousands of turns, the energy needed for the electrical pulse to build up a huge magnetic field to suck up the rod to jump into the coil could be SMALLER than the potential energy gain of the lifted Steel Rod or PM ?? Could this be true ? Please let me know your views on it. Thanks ! Regards, Stefan. > > -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 14 10:35:54 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id KAA00090; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 10:35:04 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 10:35:04 -0700 Message-ID: <33F36ADE.533F@tiac.net> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 13:30:22 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Reply-To: bshannon@tiac.net Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Same voltage used on two coil test ? References: <970814121614_-2074186559@emout17.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Tlw3X3.0.J1.77qyp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5031 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: HLafonte@aol.com wrote: > > Question, > In any of the discusions on the list, of the Newman two coil test, was > there any indication that the same voltage was used for both coils? > I have watched the tape three times and have not heard the phrase " same > voltage", unless it's just getting by me. Does anyone know if Joe claims to > use the same voltage for both coils? > Thanks, Butch Your getting very warm Butch! Mr. Newman used the same set of two series connected nine volt batteries, but due to their hign internal impeadance, and the voltage dropped across this internal resistance at high current demands, the delivered voltage will not be the same. Also, nine volt batteries have odd behaviors at high current demands, and the energy they do deliver is not constant, but increases slowly for a time as the cells chemistry 'warms up' to the high demand placed on them by the smaller coil. The larger coil, with a lower current demand gets what it needs from the batteries sooner, as the current demand is a much better match for the cells used. Try a voltage regulated power supply, and compare the behavior to that seen with nine volt batteries. You can also reproduce this delay to full delivered power effect using resistors in place of the coils. This shows us what part of this behavior is due to the cells rather than the coils. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 14 10:39:33 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id KAA00976; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 10:38:42 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 10:38:42 -0700 X-Sender: leoguitar@mail.vossnet.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Re: What voltage on Newman two coil test? Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 19:42:08 MET Message-Id: <19970814194208.15ca0533.in@pop3.vossnet.de> Resent-Message-ID: <"nA789.0.3F.WAqyp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5032 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >Does anyone know what voltage Joe used on his Two coil demo. tape. >Thanks, >Butch LaFonte 2 x 9 volts batteries put in series= 18 Volts DC. But he just used a mechanical switch to to energize the coil and just used his hand to turn it on and off for a 1 or 2 seconds. In series with the coil he had a normal analog amperemeter, which showed the upbuilding coil current. But I guess the tau=L/R was mcuh smaller, like 50 ms or so, so he only showed the stationary effect, that high DC resistance huge turns winding coils use much less power to keep up the same magnetic field.... Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 14 10:41:40 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id KAA01857; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 10:41:14 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 10:41:14 -0700 Message-ID: <33F36C4F.2532@tiac.net> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 13:36:31 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Reply-To: bshannon@tiac.net Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: If RMOD then SMOT References: <19970814.095237.3342.1.tv@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"al6gL.0.wS.vCqyp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5033 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Tim D Vaughan wrote: > > If the RMOD goes for 5 days plus who cares if the SMOT ramp gets stuck > in 5 minutes. The SMOT is an inferior design but Greg is prevented from > sharing it with us without possibly losing patent rights. > I sure wish patents wouldn't take so long. Many people seem to care. We want to understand what is happening. > Greg is trying to prove the reality of overunity effects in > ferromagnetism without > giving away all his hard work. Most inventors who make such claims just > blow alot of smoke and blame other people for their problems. But this is exactly the point, Is it over unity, or not? Its an important question. > > Lets be patient and give the guy a chance ! > > Tim Vaughan > ( tv@juno.com ) This is why I had chosen to stay away from the SMOT discussion initially, I'm not trying to give Greg a hard time here, Greg can make his own chances without my permission. But the point of this list is to foster discussion and testing. I've been discussing the testing of SMOT, and how we account for the total energy of the system, a critical item for proving over unity operation. Is this somehow out of bounds here? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 14 10:49:01 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id KAA04093; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 10:48:14 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 10:48:14 -0700 Message-ID: <33F36DF5.36A9@tiac.net> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 13:43:33 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Reply-To: bshannon@tiac.net Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Go ahead for Newman two coil test project (Project Sunshine) References: <970813134514_-319960418@emout06.mail.aol.com> <19970814.082146.10342.1.tv@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"rU0Lk1.0.m_.SJqyp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5034 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Tim D Vaughan wrote: > > Butch, > > You might be interested to look at the paper I posted by > Leon Dragone. He had some interesting result with a Newman Type > coil with a ferrite magnet core. > > I posted the paper (never finished) at: > > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/4810/dragone1.html > > Tim > ( tv@juno.com ) When I duiscussed my testing of the "Two Coil" effect directly with Mr. Newman, he was quite insistant that both coils must be air core coils only. Mr. Soule has also voiced something along these lines I beleive. (My testing had used air core coils) Another interesting test of Mr. Newman's claims may be as simple as verifying that two coils of the same electrical inductance, but of very different masses (of copper) each behave identically in the same circuit. If they do (and they do!) then this casts some doubt on the significance of the ammount of copper mass used in a coil. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 14 10:54:09 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id KAA02994; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 10:52:47 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 10:52:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708141752.KAA25741@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: "Free Energy" , Subject: Re: A Scalar Wave generator, The TEP V2.1 Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 10:40:46 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"C4NJ22.0.gk.aNqyp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5035 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi all, > You will find a new topic about a design of a Scalar waves oscillator my web > site at : > http://members.aol.com/overunity4/html/scalwidx.htm > > The TEP v2.1 or the "Time Energy Pump" uses bifilar coils technology for > generating standing scalar waves. > I believe this circuit is a very important development. I strongly recommend those of you who are electronically skilled to try it out. Yes even I will build this one :-) I believe there is a STRONG potential for overunity with this circuit, or modifications of it. I disagree with Jean-louis about the importance of the scalar aspect, as I think the output can be completely explained by parametric resonance. The sharp drop in L as the current enters the bifilar assembly causes an increase in the energy in the circuit, according to E = Li^2/2. It takes very little energy to change the L of the coil (the opposed magnetic fields of the entering current do it) and yet the energy in the coil multiplies many times. >From a time-linear perspective this increase will appear to directly violate the law of conservation of energy. From within the changing time frame of the device there is no such violation. The Time Energy Pump is precisely that. It changes the time rate to create free energy. Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 14 10:58:53 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id KAA05246; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 10:54:00 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 10:54:00 -0700 X-Sender: leoguitar@mail.vossnet.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: newman-l@emachine.com From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Re: What voltage on Newman two coil test? Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 19:50:42 MET Message-Id: <19970814195042.15d1e39e.in@pop3.vossnet.de> Resent-Message-ID: <"l5KNw1.0.tH1.tOqyp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5036 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >Does anyone know what voltage Joe used on his Two coil demo. tape. >Thanks, >Butch LaFonte 2 x 9 volts batteries put in series= 18 Volts DC. But he just used a mechanical switch to to energize the coil and just used his hand to turn it on and off for a 1 or 2 seconds. In series with the coil he had a normal analog amperemeter, which showed the upbuilding coil current. But I guess the tau=L/R was much smaller, like 50 ms or so, so he only showed the stationary effect, that high DC resistance huge turns winding coils use much less power to keep up the same magnetic field.... and also it has a bigger magnetic field. But to build up a bigger magnetic field tau gets bigger, so you have to energize it longer.... but it even gets more complicated, when the iron rod or PM is moving inside the coil. Then you have to calculate also the chnage of the inductance dI x (DL/dt) Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 14 10:59:15 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id KAA05835; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 10:58:40 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 10:58:40 -0700 From: HLafonte@aol.com Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 13:58:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970814135642_-219208595@emout10.mail.aol.com> To: Newman-L@emachine.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Work aspect of demo. tape Resent-Message-ID: <"-ArM-1.0.4R1.ETqyp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5037 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Robert, The same or more "work" that joe claims in his video for the two coils is that predicted by conventional electromagnetic theory ? Do you see the same work being done (or more ) in the tape? I wanted to look into the aspect of work with less power he claims. You said steady state power input, but joe shows in the tape amps droping, more dial deflection, and if the same voltage is use on both coils, then something is going on that is not in the books. Your comments ? Thanks, Butch From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 14 11:01:12 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id LAA06642; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 11:00:42 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 11:00:42 -0700 X-Sender: leoguitar@mail.vossnet.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: bshannon@tiac.net From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Re: [Fwd: More SMOT improvements?] Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, gwatson@microtronics.com.au Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 20:00:01 MET Message-Id: <19970814200001.15da6a4a.in@pop3.vossnet.de> Resent-Message-ID: <"6BUL03.0.dd1.9Vqyp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5038 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >Greg Watson wrote: >> >> Bob Shannon wrote: >> > >> > You may have gone around the track many times, but you may have a toll >> > due at the end. I'll bet that unstick force is FAR higher than the 450 >> > times the initial drop energy, and then some. >> > >> > How different are these forces? We have no numbers. >> > Well, probably also when the track and all is right adjusted the ball gets too fast and flies out of the track and gets stuck. This probably also happens a lot ! This definately proves overunity ! I hope Greg will finally be able to ship the SMOT kits soon, so that I also can play with it and that he will finally get his MPEGs and pictures done and not just work for MK4 or MK5 ! I want my MK2 NOW ! I already paid it about 6 or 7 weeks ago ! Greg are you listening ? Next time, you should only accept credit cards and just only charge them at the day you ship the kits... This would much likely be a better business strategy... Best regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 14 11:05:12 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id LAA05096; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 11:04:16 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 11:04:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33F37169.4681@tiac.net> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 13:58:17 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Reply-To: bshannon@tiac.net Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Go ahead for Newman two coil test project (Project Sunshine) References: <19970814191233.15aef5b3.in@pop3.vossnet.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"cIXwN1.0.TF1.NYqyp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5039 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Stefan Hartmann wrote: > > >Butch, > > > >You might be interested to look at the paper I posted by > >Leon Dragone. He had some interesting result with a Newman Type > >coil with a ferrite magnet core. > > > >I posted the paper (never finished) at: > > > >http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/4810/dragone1.html > > > >Tim > >( tv@juno.com ) > > > > Hi Tim, > > looks very interesting this paper. > > I will study it together with Dieter Bauer, > who is a specialist in the mathematical > theory and tell you our view of it. > > Surely the linear motor of Newman works this way > and Dragone has probably proved its operation with formulars > this way. > > Stay tuned. > > Thanks, for making this interesting article available ! > > Best regards, Stefan. Does anyone have a problem with "... we can also calculate the "free energy" directly from the part of the PM's field that is cancelled." (from page 6) It seems that no flux is cancelled at all, only distorted. Flux appears to be conserved under these conditions, so the "free energy" may equal zero? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 14 11:15:00 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id LAA06917; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 11:13:50 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 11:13:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708141813.LAA02035@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: "Free Energy" Subject: Re: A Scalar Wave generator, The TEP V2.1 Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 11:16:51 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"RnQCJ2.0.yh1.Khqyp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5040 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi all! > > The TEP V2.1 appears extremely similar to the (4) coil BiPEG (Bi-Phase > Energy Gate) developed by; > > Ronald R. Stiffler, EE > Dr. Franz Klien > Dr. Karl Sunderling > > We are not happy with such an early announcement as it will only cause > additional problems from questions and those that don't believe in the > possibility of OU. ATG has a web site which will be announced within the > next 72 hours, unless our legal people advise otherwise. The site will > show a number of BiPEG circuits and discuss the evolution of BiPEG and > the existing (4) coil OU device. > If Mr. Stiffler and associates have also come up with the same working principle as Jean-louis, then they have discovered a basic principle of nature, like the photovoltaic effect. Certainly their patents pending are valid and should be respected. But if the principle at work is as general as I think, then it will not be difficult for anyone to come up with designs that use this principle that in no way infringe on their patents. I am not knowledgeable about patents but it seems to me that although a type of solar cell can be patented, it is impossible to patent the photovoltaic effect. I'm sure someone will tell me if I am wrong :-) Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 14 11:34:14 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id LAA14466; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 11:33:38 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 11:33:38 -0700 X-Sender: leoguitar@mail.vossnet.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: bshannon@tiac.net From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: More SMOT improvements? Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 20:36:43 MET Message-Id: <19970814203643.15fc0566.in@pop3.vossnet.de> Resent-Message-ID: <"Ryicg3.0.tX3.-zqyp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5041 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >>=20 >> Well, probably also when the track and all is right adjusted >> the ball gets too fast and flies out of the track and gets stuck. >>=20 >> This probably also happens a lot ! This definately proves >> overunity ! > >I disagree. > >Greg has posted that most often, the ball stops at the top of the ramp, >as the exit point. This shows a LACK of energy, not a surplus. Also >when this happens, the ball is still at rest in the magnets field, just >like that bit of metal and the magnet, which we all agree is not over >unity. But Epitaxy=B4s unit has accelerated and also Greg=B4s unit in several= cases... Hmm, I guess we will get it accelerating more often if all SMOT kits are delivered and ALL people are working on it and NOT GREG only ALONE... At least this is a new unit every intested person in OU can try for a small amount of money...and can easily try to improve it with changing the magnets and balls etc...very worth a try.. I guess with the Internet group effort there will be very soon some major advancement of this technology=20 and Greg will probably not stay to be the only one who will sell SMOT kits or RMOD kits next year. Maybe a bigger company will jump onto this bandwaggon ? >> I hope Greg will finally be able to ship the SMOT kits soon, so that I= also >> can play with it and that he will finally get his MPEGs and pictures done >> and not just work for MK4 or MK5 ! >> I want my MK2 NOW ! >> I already paid it about 6 or 7 weeks ago ! >>=20 >> Greg are you listening ? > >I'm sure that he is. He has heard this before. >=20 >> Next time, you should only accept credit cards and >> just only charge them at the day you ship the kits... >> This would much likely be a better business strategy... >>=20 >> Best regards, Stefan. > >Perhaps interested buyers should be given the option of a 'difficult' >device, or waiting for any improved versions that might be developed?=20 That is right, I agree. >After all, Greg did say that the device was very touchy before accepting >any offers. > >Maybe there should be a deadline date for shipping agreed upon by all >parties. I agree. Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 14 11:36:25 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id LAA15198; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 11:36:00 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 11:36:00 -0700 Message-ID: <33F3791E.410@tiac.net> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 14:31:10 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Reply-To: bshannon@tiac.net Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Fwd: More SMOT improvements?] References: <19970814200001.15da6a4a.in@pop3.vossnet.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"xveF1.0.Cj3.C0ryp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5042 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Stefan Hartmann wrote: > > >Greg Watson wrote: > >> > >> Bob Shannon wrote: > >> > > >> > You may have gone around the track many times, but you may have a toll > >> > due at the end. I'll bet that unstick force is FAR higher than the 450 > >> > times the initial drop energy, and then some. > >> > > >> > How different are these forces? We have no numbers. > >> > > > > Well, probably also when the track and all is right adjusted > the ball gets too fast and flies out of the track and gets stuck. > > This probably also happens a lot ! This definately proves > overunity ! According to Greg, the most common stopping mode is that the ball remains on the track, and stops at the exit point at the top of the ramp. This shows a lack of energy, not a surplus! Then on top of that, we have an energy debt because the ball has come to rest within the field of the magnets. This does not sound like over unity operation. Its clearly not an excess of velocity as you describe Stefan! Greg has described that the difference between stopping at the top of the ramp, and being pulled off the ramp and sticking to the magnets face is VERY SMALL. But in both cases, the ball was attracted to the magnets, and came to rest within the magnetic field, exactly as did the metal bit being drawn to a magnet, which we agreed was NOT over unity due to the unsticking force. Why is SMOT any different????? Because we are not including this unsticking force? Does anyone have a good reason why we should not be treating SMOT in the conventional manner (in terms of net energy!)? > I hope Greg will finally be able to ship the SMOT kits soon, so that I also > can play with it and that he will finally get his MPEGs and pictures done > and not just work for MK4 or MK5 ! > I want my MK2 NOW ! > I already paid it about 6 or 7 weeks ago ! > > Greg are you listening ? > > Next time, you should only accept credit cards and > just only charge them at the day you ship the kits... > This would much likely be a better business strategy... > > Best regards, Stefan. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 14 11:39:03 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id LAA15880; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 11:38:41 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 11:38:41 -0700 X-Sender: leoguitar@mail.vossnet.de (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Re: A Scalar Wave generator, The TEP V2.1 Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 20:42:13 MET Message-Id: <19970814204213.160110c0.in@pop3.vossnet.de> Resent-Message-ID: <"ZFeQ.0.0u3.m2ryp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5043 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >Hi All, > >You will find a new topic about a design of a Scalar waves oscillator my web >site at : >http://members.aol.com/overunity4/html/scalwidx.htm > > Hi, does anybody also get this message: This server is temporarily unavailable for maintenance. Please try again later. This seems to be true for all members.aol.com areas... Never believed in AOL..... now it proves it again... zzz..... Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 14 11:53:37 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id LAA14071; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 11:52:46 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 11:52:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33F37CC8.411D@tiac.net> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 14:46:48 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Reply-To: bshannon@tiac.net Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: More SMOT improvements? References: <19970814203643.15fc0566.in@pop3.vossnet.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"GHWlk2.0.gR3.vFryp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5044 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Stefan Hartmann wrote: > > >> > >> Well, probably also when the track and all is right adjusted > >> the ball gets too fast and flies out of the track and gets stuck. > >> > >> This probably also happens a lot ! This definately proves > >> overunity ! > > > >I disagree. > > > >Greg has posted that most often, the ball stops at the top of the ramp, > >as the exit point. This shows a LACK of energy, not a surplus. Also > >when this happens, the ball is still at rest in the magnets field, just > >like that bit of metal and the magnet, which we all agree is not over > >unity. > > But Epitaxy´s unit has accelerated and also Greg´s unit in several cases... Understood, this is why I feel it is very important to fully understand what is happening. I have often mentioned that we really need to have a velocity over time graph for the ball from start to finish. We should have these for both stopping cases, on track or stuck to the magnets. We also need to know the unsticking energy, or have some valid reason why we must treat SMOT differently than we do the simple case of a magnet attracting a bit of metal. So far, no one has addressed this point. > Hmm, I guess we will get it accelerating more often if all SMOT kits are > delivered > and ALL people are working on it and NOT GREG only ALONE... Hmmm, Stefan, are you eager to get your kit?? (sarcasam mode) > At least this is a new unit every intested person in OU can try for > a small amount of money...and can easily try to improve it with changing the > magnets > and balls etc...very worth a try.. But Greg's reluctance to ship the kits is said to be due to the difficulty of making the needed adjustments! > I guess with the Internet group effort there will be very soon > some major advancement of this technology > and Greg will probably not stay to be the only one who will sell SMOT kits > or RMOD kits next year. > Maybe a bigger company will jump onto this bandwaggon ? > > >> I hope Greg will finally be able to ship the SMOT kits soon, so that I also > >> can play with it and that he will finally get his MPEGs and pictures done > >> and not just work for MK4 or MK5 ! > >> I want my MK2 NOW ! > >> I already paid it about 6 or 7 weeks ago ! > >> > >> Greg are you listening ? > > > >I'm sure that he is. He has heard this before. > > > >> Next time, you should only accept credit cards and > >> just only charge them at the day you ship the kits... > >> This would much likely be a better business strategy... > >> > >> Best regards, Stefan. > > > >Perhaps interested buyers should be given the option of a 'difficult' > >device, or waiting for any improved versions that might be developed? > > That is right, I agree. > > >After all, Greg did say that the device was very touchy before accepting > >any offers. > > > >Maybe there should be a deadline date for shipping agreed upon by all > >parties. > > I agree. > > Regards, Stefan. In the development of any product, there comes a time at which it is necessacery to 'shoot the engineers', or the product will never ship. There is always that last improvement to be made, but at some point the Marketing people realize that the engineers are working on freatures that were not part of the original specifications. As a result, they choose to 'shoot the engineers' and ship the product as is. Every computer design I've worked with at NEC has had areas that COULD have been better if we spent some additional time and money on their development, but the customers would still be waiting for improvements they had not requested, nor paid for. I'm not a happy camper when Marketing sends a new design out the door wanting improvements, but the customer is the boss. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 14 11:56:50 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id LAA19638; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 11:56:21 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 11:56:21 -0700 X-Sender: leoguitar@mail.vossnet.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Re: SMOT energy calculations.. Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 21:00:02 MET Message-Id: <19970814210002.16115fef.in@pop3.vossnet.de> Resent-Message-ID: <"1fkpn2.0.lo4.KJryp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5045 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >Does anyone have a good reason why we should not be treating SMOT in the >conventional manner (in terms of net energy!)? Hmm, what about then the frictional losses that are immense and are much bigger during 5 minutes than the potential energy loss.. Don=B4t you count them at all ? Anyway, there was acceleration of the ball and flying out of the track reported, so this is one good reason to try it myself ! :) Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 14 11:59:40 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id LAA15332; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 11:58:14 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 11:58:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33F362F0.2068@sunherald.infi.net> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 12:56:33 -0700 From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" Reply-To: stk@sunherald.infi.net Organization: Good question! X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Parts needed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"r8VML2.0.Sl3._Kryp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5046 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Greetings: Does anyone here know where to find the following parts? (or are willing to sell them to me if you have them): 4 TV HV diodes, 14KV (What does TV mean? Television??) Corona dope 120VAC to 48VDC @10A transformer (does not have to be 50KV isolated, I'm using batteries for the positive 25-100KV) Kyle Mcallister From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 14 12:14:29 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id MAA18811; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 12:13:50 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 12:13:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708141914.MAA23787@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: A Scalar Wave generator, The TEP V2.1 Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 12:18:17 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"_DrTN2.0.ob4.gZryp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5047 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Stefan, No, I haven't had any problem seeing it. Looked last night and this morning. Keep trying- it's important stuff! Fred > Hi, > > does anybody also get this message: > > This server is temporarily unavailable for maintenance. Please try again later. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 14 12:17:55 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id MAA19252; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 12:16:59 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 12:16:59 -0700 (PDT) From: HLafonte@aol.com Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 15:15:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970814151400_-801217367@emout18.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Does a magnetic field have weight?(in a gravity field) Resent-Message-ID: <"QGCrQ.0.ci4.ccryp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5048 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: BIG question here ! Does anyone know if there has ever been any test to prove that a magnetic field has weight ? What I mean is, energy has mass, or so I've heard, the sun sends so many tons of energy to the earth every day. We all know mass has energy stored in it. Einstein said we could think of matter as frozen energy. But what I wonder is, when a large magnetic field is around a coil, does that field have any weight? It doesn't have mass in the usual way of thinking, because it's in the form of energy. But I wonder if even though it's in an energy state does it have any weight, no matter how small. For that matter does it have mass? Comments please, Butch From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 14 12:18:32 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id MAA19353; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 12:17:45 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 12:17:45 -0700 (PDT) From: HLafonte@aol.com Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 15:15:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970814151358_988340905@emout16.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Does a magnetic field have weight?(in a gravity field) Resent-Message-ID: <"iBVL73.0.Hk4.Ldryp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5049 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: BIG question here ! Does anyone know if there has ever been any test to prove that a magnetic field has weight ? What I mean is, energy has mass, or so I've heard, the sun sends so many tons of energy to the earth every day. We all know mass has energy stored in it. Einstein said we could think of matter as frozen energy. But what I wonder is, when a large magnetic field is around a coil, does that field have any weight? It doesn't have mass in the usual way of thinking, because it's in the form of energy. But I wonder if even though it's in an energy state does it have any weight, no matter how small. For that matter does it have mass? Comments please, Butch From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 14 12:43:40 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id MAA31953; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 12:42:50 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 12:42:50 -0700 X-Sender: leoguitar@mail.vossnet.de (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Re: A Scalar Wave generator, The TEP V2.1 Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 21:44:48 MET Message-Id: <19970814214448.163a5c0d.in@pop3.vossnet.de> Resent-Message-ID: <"pHs-h3.0.9p7.u-ryp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5050 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >Hi Stefan, > > No, I haven't had any problem seeing it. Looked last night and this >morning. Keep trying- it's important stuff! > >Fred > > Still unavailable.... The whole members.aol.com server seems to be down.... for more than 20 minutes now.... What a shame for AOL... Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 14 12:43:57 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id MAA31997; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 12:43:02 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 12:43:02 -0700 X-Sender: leoguitar@mail.vossnet.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: bshannon@tiac.net From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Re: More SMOT working ideas.... Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 21:41:41 MET Message-Id: <19970814214141.1637822c.in@pop3.vossnet.de> Resent-Message-ID: <"2rq9f3.0.sp7.4_ryp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5051 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >> >Greg has posted that most often, the ball stops at the top of the ramp, >> >as the exit point. This shows a LACK of energy, not a surplus. Also >> >when this happens, the ball is still at rest in the magnets field, just >> >like that bit of metal and the magnet, which we all agree is not over >> >unity. >>=20 >> But Epitaxy=B4s unit has accelerated and also Greg=B4s unit in several= cases... > >Understood, this is why I feel it is very important to fully understand >what is happening. I have often mentioned that we really need to have a >velocity over time graph for the ball from start to finish. We should >have these for both stopping cases, on track or stuck to the magnets. > Yes, I agree. And that is why GREG should ship the kits, so somebody can do this testing, which Greg probably has no time to do ALONE.... >We also need to know the unsticking energy, or have some valid reason >why we must treat SMOT differently than we do the simple case of a >magnet attracting a bit of metal. So far, no one has addressed this >point. Hmm, why would you like to unstick it at all ? When we get it this way, that the frictional losses are kept constant and the ball rolls for months on the track without being stopped or flying out of the track, you have what you want. A perfect OU toy ! Here are a few new ideas: =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Maybe there is also the effect at work, that the ball need to get shaken a bit , when it falls down the exit ramp and the hit it gets shakes the domains loose inside the steel ball=20 and removes the Remanenz of the steel ball it just got, when climbing up the hill ??? Maybe this is why Mr. Naudin did not yet get his RMOD MK2 to run without stopping ? There NO HIT is occuring to shake the domains loose again... Maybe this is why GREG reported that also RMOD needs gravity to get it to work ???? And sometimes after a while the HITS are too week to=20 cancel the Remanenz when hiting the rail and the next ramp the acceleration drecreases and the ball gets stuck at the top ??? Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 14 12:59:48 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id MAA27138; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 12:57:59 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 12:57:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 13:49:26 -0600 (MDT) From: "John R. Tooker" To: "Kyle R. Mcallister" Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Parts needed In-Reply-To: <33F362F0.2068@sunherald.infi.net> Message-Id: Organization: Calgary Free-Net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"_-jzY2.0.ud6.-Csyp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5052 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Kyle, On Thu, 14 Aug 1997, Kyle R. Mcallister wrote: > > Greetings: > > Does anyone here know where to find the following parts? (or are willing > to sell them to me if you have them): > > 4 TV HV diodes, 14KV (What does TV mean? Television??) > Corona dope > 120VAC to 48VDC @10A transformer (does not have to be 50KV isolated, I'm > using batteries for the positive 25-100KV) > I'm going to be visiting my industrial electronics supplier this week, or early next week. I'll check and see if they have any of these items. If so, I'll get prices for them, and will pass them on to you, along with shipping costs. Just remember that the prices will be in Canadian $, which is valued at a little less that American. Rehards, John Tooker From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 14 13:32:51 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id NAA02113; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 13:32:12 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 13:32:12 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 13:31:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708142031.NAA15978@pop1.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: szdanq@peseta.ucdavis.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dan Quickert Subject: SMOT energy balance Resent-Message-ID: <"MhlMm.0.vW.7jsyp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5053 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Re Bob Shannon and Greg Watson's discussion of the SMOT's energy balance: Bob, I think that you are grossly overestimating the "unstick energy" at the top of the ramp. In a well-adjusted ramp, the force necessary to push the ball over the edge of the end, and have it roll out of the mag field, is only very slightly more than the force necessary to raise the ball up the ramp. It is several orders of magnitude less than what would be necessary to unstick the ball from the surface of the magnet. Also, IMHO you are doing as you accuse Greg - ignoring or underestimating a component of the energy equation. In this case it's the heat, acoustic, etc from the rolling and magnetic interactions as the ball traverses the track. These are significant. In the 150 circuits that Greg says will occur in 5 minutes, those losses should add up to *far* more than the energy required to raise the ball up once (no, I haven't quantified it - see the last paragraph, below). Bob, I welcome and admire your questions and opinions and scepticism about what may be happening. You're one of the valuable voices on Vortex, and your opinions are respected. I think it's entirely proper to discuss the *theoretical* aspects of the SMOT (what makes it work, why it should not work, etc) without having observed one firsthand. But this discussion is getting into the realm of what *really happens* in this particular device. There is no way that someone who hasn't seen the device (or its close relatives) in operation can make reasonable statements about its specific operational characteristics. Finally, I think there are far too many provisional and conjectural statements and assumptions on all sides of this discussion (mine included). Too much discussion, too many conclusions, for the amount of data. Can't we suspend judgement until more of us have working units, and some real measurements are taken? Until then much of this is hot air (mine included :-) Dan From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 14 13:38:49 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id NAA03083; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 13:37:46 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 13:37:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: josephnewman@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 15:40:19 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: Does a magnetic field have weight?(in a gravity field) Resent-Message-ID: <"JShBi3.0._l.Losyp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5054 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >BIG question here ! > Does anyone know if there has ever been any test to prove that a magnetic >field has weight ? What I mean is, energy has mass, or so I've heard, the sun >sends so many tons of energy to the earth every day. We all know mass has >energy stored in it. Einstein said we could think of matter as frozen energy. > > But what I wonder is, when a large magnetic field is around a coil, does >that field have any weight? It doesn't have mass in the usual way of >thinking, because it's in the form of energy. But I wonder if even though >it's in an energy state does it have any weight, no matter how small. For >that matter does it have mass? >Comments please, >Butch This seems an interesting question. It may be that our technology has not progressed to the point where "sub-atomic" scales would be sensitive enough to detect "weight" differences in the order of magnitude of which you are speaking. Perhaps someone on the list might have upadated information in this respect. I would think it an interesting experiment to take a solonoid/battery (unconnected) system and weigh it in toto on such a "sub-atomic" scale. Then repeat the above, but this time connect the solonoid & battery to generate a strong (electro)magnetic field and RE-WEIGH the (connected) system to determine if there is ANY difference in weight from the first test. I would be curious about the results of such a test. Of course, by *crude* analogy, one might consider the following hypothetical thought experiment: Consider a water sprinkler, a 20 gallon container of water, and a complete, integrated, self-contained, self-powered pump system. Place all of the above (non-operational) on a large scale. For present purposes, assume the above weighs 100 lbs. Then connect the system in toto and operate the water sprinkler with the condition that as the water is shot in streams into the air, ALL SUCH STREAMS (and EVERY drop of water) is PRECISELY recycled into the container, then pump, and then IMMEDIATELY recycled back into the water sprinkler. The net effect is that there is a CONTINUAL STREAM of water running from out of the holes in the water sprinkler and looping immediately back into the container. [Forget, for the moment, the rather difficult logistics of achieving the above!] What would be the weight differences between the two -- operational and non-operational -- systems? Would the "operational" system be slightly less than 100 lbs? Would the weight difference be in the "water" [atoms of H20] "balancing in the air" above the system? And what about the continual "forward pressure" of such "atoms" on one another as they "loop" through the air back into the 20 gallon container? How would this affect the over-all "measured weight" of the operational system? I can forsee some possible questions regarding "energy consumption" of the pump system which could affect measurements. [For purposes of the above thought experiment, I would ask that these considerations be set aside for the moment --- assume that this aspect of the system is TOTALLY self-contained.] The crux of my question is the aspect of the "water atoms" LOOPING through the air back into the container. Would their "upward" trajectory be considered as "subtracting" from the total weight of the system -- while their "downward" trajectory be considered as "adding" to the total weight of the system..... or, would the fact that a CONTINUALLY-COUPLED-STREAM of such "water atoms" exerting pressure on one another as they loop back into the water container affect (in this manner) the total weight of the system and thereby discount any "upward" or "downward" trajectory-related weight effects? Just questions..... Evan From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 14 13:42:27 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id NAA13031; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 13:41:41 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 13:41:41 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: darknet.net: Host ts1-bp09.bmts.com [204.191.100.182] claimed to be bmts.com.bmts.com Message-ID: <33F36D26.74C8@darknet.net> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 16:40:06 -0400 From: Steve Reply-To: darklord@darknet.net Organization: DarkNet Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Parts needed (and time travel stuff) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"xTmLH1.0.PB3.2ssyp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5055 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >Just remember that the prices will be in Canadian $, which > is valued at a little less that American. > Rehards, > John Tooker I do a lot of business with people in the US, (Florida mostly) so I convert amounts a lot.. I just divide the Canadian price by 1.5 and get the approximate US price. You'll have to check the current exchange rate, but it's uaually around that.. (if it's not, then I've been getting paid the wrong amount for a long time... heh.. ) p.s. I've read the Time Vector Field Chronicles on KeelyNet a few times, and I find this very interesting.. has there been any research done on this by anyone on the list? Eg. about the stuff mentioned about "grid points" etc. I've heard about several different means of possible time travel, eg. using a GRC or by some means using scalar waves, or magnetic fields, but not too much that's actually been explained. I'd love to hear about some actual time travel related experiments people are doing, eg, with cad coils, gravity resonance coils, whatever.. I'd love to hear any ideas. ttyl -Steve -- Steve (aka DaRkLoRD) | darklord@darknet.net UIN: 2149500 | www.darknet.net/darklord DarkNet Technologies: http://www.darknet.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 14 13:47:30 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id NAA05413; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 13:46:56 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 13:46:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 13:45:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708142045.NAA16522@pop1.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: szdanq@peseta.ucdavis.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dan Quickert Subject: Re: More SMOT working ideas.... Resent-Message-ID: <"GL92f1.0.SK1.wwsyp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5056 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Stefan Hartmann wrote: > >Maybe there is also the effect at work, that the ball need to get >shaken a bit , when it falls down the exit ramp and the hit it gets >shakes the domains loose inside the steel ball >and removes the Remanenz of the steel >ball it just got, when climbing up the hill ??? > >Maybe this is why Mr. Naudin did not yet get his RMOD MK2 >to run without stopping ? >There NO HIT is occuring to shake the domains loose again... > >Maybe this is why GREG reported that also RMOD needs >gravity to get it to work ???? >And sometimes after a while the HITS are too week to >cancel the Remanenz when hiting the rail and the >next ramp the acceleration drecreases and the ball gets >stuck at the top ??? > >Regards, Stefan. Stefan, This was discussed quite a while ago. Do you recall Epitaxy's roll-around was achieved with a glass ball filled with powdered iron? Wouldn't that eliminate the factor of remanence and the need for a shock to cancel it? Besides, in a working ramp, in order to get rollaway, the shock at the bottom must be minimized to conserve momentum. This is not intended to be aimed at you, Stefan, but the point is raised: I think it's time we establish a FAQ for SMOT. Too many things are being rehashed when people enter the discussion or re-enter after an absence, but it's unrealistic to expect everyone to read through the hundreds of posts in the Archives about this topic. Regards, Dan From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 14 13:51:05 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id NAA06145; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 13:50:02 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 13:50:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33F36D12.4A29@ctv.es> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 22:39:46 +0200 From: Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga Reply-To: vramos@ctv.es X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stk@sunherald.infi.net CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Parts needed References: <33F362F0.2068@sunherald.infi.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"2lgzh.0.uV1.jzsyp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5057 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Kyle R. Mcallister wrote: > > Greetings: > > Does anyone here know where to find the following parts? (or are willing > to sell them to me if you have them): > > 4 TV HV diodes, 14KV (What does TV mean? Television??) > Corona dope > 120VAC to 48VDC @10A transformer (does not have to be 50KV isolated, I'm > using batteries for the positive 25-100KV) > > Kyle Mcallister Kyle: Old TV used 24Kv diodes. These diodes were like ceramic tubes, with two plates each side. Look for a TV repair service. Ask for damaged HV transformers. The HV transformers have this diode inside the pastic tube on the HV wire begins. You only must break the plastic tube and extract the diode (very carefull, is chopped). You can use two 24V 10A transformers with secondary in series. Vicente. -- Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga E-mail: vramos@ctv.es Home Page: http://www.ctv.es/USERS/vramos/home.htm Burriana (Castellon) SPAIN From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 14 13:50:48 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id NAA17890; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 13:50:20 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 13:50:20 -0700 From: Keasy@aol.com Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 16:49:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970814164616_80659861@emout19.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Fwd: More SMOT improvements?] Resent-Message-ID: <"v-5Dz3.0.MN4.A-syp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5058 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: My $.02 worth, I can't resist adding my thoughts to the energy discussions: The ball is the system of interest. Any snapshot of its position and velocity as it starts or moves around the track can be defined to be its zero (or reference) energy. There are four relevant energy terms: 1. Its gravitational potential energy mgh, measured from its reference position. 2. Its kinetic energy, 0.5mv^2. 3. Its magnetic potential energy resulting from its position relative to the magnets. This is ALWAYS a negative term and is more negative the closer the ball is to the magnets. 4. The frictional loss term which, just subtracts energy from the system any time the ball moves along the track. IF you could measure these terms accurately then relative to your initial reference or zero energy position if the system energy ever increases you have overunity operation. In practice, the easiest place to check this is probably at the same track location, after it has circled the track. "Conventional" theory says the gravitional term is conservative and the magnetic term is very, very nearly conservative, and you may have some small losses as the ball interchanges kinetic for potential and magnetic energy. Additional effects are needed to explain overunity, I think. I hope this is of some interest. Ken Keasy@aol.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 14 13:57:04 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id NAA07433; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 13:56:13 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 13:56:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <33F37083.668C@tu-bs.de> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 22:54:27 +0200 From: Tameer Hohnsbein Reply-To: T.Hohnsbein@tu-bs.de Organization: Technische Universität Braunschweig X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold [de] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: The TEP V2.1 / Ewert & Würth References: <19970814214448.163a5c0d.in@pop3.vossnet.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ef-KN3.0.tp1.X3typ"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5059 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Stefan Hartmann wrote: > > >Hi Stefan, > > > > No, I haven't had any problem seeing it. Looked last night and this > >morning. Keep trying- it's important stuff! > > > >Fred > > > > > > Still unavailable.... > > The whole members.aol.com server seems to be down.... > > for more than 20 minutes now.... > > What a shame for AOL... > > Regards, Stefan. > -- It's down for more than one hour now ... and the server at Uni-Braunschweig is overloaded as usual at this time of the day ... well, let's play with some magnets and balls instead :) By the way Stefan, I have read a german book written by K.D.Ewert and Felix Würth called "DIE ENERGIEMASCHINE - Energie zumm Nulltarif". It shows a patent for an o/u-generator from Ewert based on impulse conservation and a rotating o/u-machine from Würth which for me seem to work as claimed. Würth said in the book he could not get a patent for it because the patent office sayed this machine would be a perpetuum mobile and thus won't exist and can not be protected by berman patent law. That's logic. Have you or anyone else read it ? Best regards Tameer -- Tameer Hohnsbein, Hagenring 80, 38106 Braunschweig, Germany E-Mail: T.Hohnsbein@tu-bs.de phone : ++49 531 / 335348 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 14 14:03:59 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id OAA08762; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 14:03:17 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 14:03:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 15 Aug 97 09:00 NZST X-Sender: srae@shoppe.mlb.planet.gen.nz (Unverified) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: srae@mlb.planet.gen.nz (Stuart Rae) Subject: Re: A Scalar Wave generator, The TEP V2.1 X-Mailer: Resent-Message-ID: <"F2q_p2.0.p82.IAtyp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5060 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi all, Stefan said: >does anybody also get this message: > >This server is temporarily unavailable for maintenance. Please try again later. I keep having the same response. Has anybody managed to get through? Stuart From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 14 14:03:38 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id OAA24451; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 14:02:49 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 14:02:49 -0700 Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 14:02:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708142102.OAA17320@pop1.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: szdanq@peseta.ucdavis.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dan Quickert Subject: Re: If RMOD then SMOT Resent-Message-ID: <"ieMfX3.0.sz5.s9typ"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5061 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Bob Shannon wrote: > >But the point of this list is to foster discussion and testing. I've >been discussing the testing of SMOT, and how we account for the total >energy of the system, a critical item for proving over unity operation. > Hi Bob, I just saw this post from you after I sent my recent, more lengthy discussion. > >Is this somehow out of bounds here? No, no! Discussion of the testing and methods for checking the total energy are certainly not out of bounds. It's important, and your input is valuable there. Where I think you step a bit too far is when you make quantitative assumptions on the model without seeing it in operation, and insist on quantitative conclusions based thereon. Don't stop talking, just don't tell us how it would act if were pink when we've seen it and it's green :-) Regards, Dan From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 14 14:21:47 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id OAA10919; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 14:21:01 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 14:21:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 14:19:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708142119.OAA04043@iceland.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: Parts needed Resent-Message-ID: <"MkxXI.0.Qg2.vQtyp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5062 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Kyle, On Thu, 14 Aug 1997, Kyle R. Mcallister wrote: > Greetings: > Does anyone here know where to find the following parts? (or are willing > to sell them to me if you have them): > > 4 TV HV diodes, 14KV (What does TV mean? Television??) Yes. HV rectifiers for the 20KV or so for the CRTube. Do you have an electronics store nearby that sells ECG replacement semiconductors? some diodes are there, such as ECG542. Some mail order catalogs have this series too. > Corona dope Or poly varnish might work, to reduce corona discharge. If the coil is already encased in wax, not sure it's required there. > 120VAC to 48VDC @10A transformer (does not have to be 50KV isolated, I'm > using batteries for the positive 25-100KV) I calculated before that only 1-2Amps are required for the GRC coil as in "Not your average construction project." That would be easier to find. Regards, -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 14 14:32:39 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id OAA32065; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 14:31:36 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 14:31:36 -0700 Message-Id: <199708142132.OAA01517@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: "Free Energy" Subject: TEP info is here part 2 Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 14:34:24 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01BCA8BF.293832A0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"0Con4.0.rq7.satyp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5064 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01BCA8BF.293832A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 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Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 14:32:41 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01BCA8BE.EC10AE20" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"lcjkd2.0.0D3.nbtyp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5063 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01BCA8BE.EC10AE20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Folks! Jean-louis tells me that his server is down, so he has transferred the info to me temporarily. 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The TEP V2.1

The Time Energy Pump oscillator

by Jean-Louis Naudin

created on 08/14/97 - JLN Labs - last update on 08/14/97

The TEP V2.1 device is the result of my recent synergy between Fred Epps, the freenrg-list and vortex-list group and a synergy in March 97 with Ronald R. Stiffler wich has developped since with his team (ATG) the coil BiPEG (Bi-Phase Energy Gate)

The TEP v2.1 or the "Time Energy Pump" uses bifilar coils technology for generating scalar waves generated by a parametric resonance in a bifilar coil.

Bifilar coil construction : The Bifilar coil ( L1,L2) is the main component of this oscillator and must be perfectly constructed.

1) Take a 200 mm length (20 mm diam) cardboard tube and 2 x 115 cm of 5/10 magnetic wire (AWG 24).

2) Drill a small hole at each side of the tube for the wire, the distance between the holes must be 190 mm.

3) Wind the two L1,L2 coils at the same time, as shown below. You may glue the winding with cyanoacrylate.

3) Insulate properly an 125 mm wide area in the middle of the bifilar.

4) Wind the feedback coil L3 with a 5/10 mm magnetic wire with 250 turns.

5) Put a dot (the hot side) on one side of the bifilar to identify the polarity.

6) Check the bifilar coil with a signal pulse (square) generator.

  • a) connect the hot side of L1 with the hot side of L2
  • b) connect your oscillocope probe accross the L3 coil
  • c) send a square pulse signal on the side of L1 and L2 at the opposite of the hot side.
  • d) if your bifilar coil is wound correctly, you should see NO SIGNAL on the scope.

Adjustments :

You may help to start the oscillation by pushing a ferrite rod into the coil. When the oscillator is started, you will see the perfect standing waves generated by the parametric resonance of the bifilar coil.

Notes :

I think that Scalar waves may be generated by this TEP generator.

It work in two different steps :

1) When the current pulse enters in each side of the bifilar, we have two flux of EM energy in the coil during this transient state, the first one goes from the Left to the Right and the second, from the Right to the Left. It is this EM wave which is collected by the coil L3 and restarts the oscillation of the system.

During this short transient state the parametric effect acts and the inductance of each coil L1 and L2 drops from the normal value to zero very quickly due to their reciprocating interaction. The time constant in the circuit changes rapidly as the current enters both sides of the bifilar coil.

2) AFTER this first step the coil acts as a NORMAL BIFILAR, in other words like a simple NON-INDUCTIVE resistor and a scalar pulse could be generated...

In further experiments, I shall propose you to test scalar waves EM propagation and energy collecting.

For more informations about the parametric resonance see also : The parametric power conversion.

More to come.....

If you need more informations or if you have any suggestions send me your Feedback

Email : JNaudin509@aol.com

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------=_NextPart_000_01BCA8BF.53316FE0-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 14 15:57:28 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id PAA20175; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 15:56:57 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 15:56:57 -0700 X-Sender: rmuha@mail Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199708141813.LAA02035@mail1.halcyon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 18:56:13 -0400 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: ralph muha Subject: Re: A Scalar Wave generator, The TEP V2.1 Resent-Message-ID: <"Qk_L51.0.8x4.uquyp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5067 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Fred, where is the message that you are quoting from here? it never showed up in the list AFAIK r At 2:16 PM -0400 8/14/97, Fred Epps wrote: >> The TEP V2.1 appears extremely similar to the (4) coil BiPEG (Bi-Phase >> Energy Gate) developed by; >> >> Ronald R. Stiffler, EE >> Dr. Franz Klien >> Dr. Karl Sunderling >> > >> We are not happy with such an early announcement as it will only cause >> additional problems from questions and those that don't believe in the From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 14 16:09:43 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id QAA26176; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 16:08:59 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 16:08:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33F39D92.1BDE@sunherald.infi.net> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 17:06:42 -0700 From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" Reply-To: stk@sunherald.infi.net Organization: Good question! X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Casimir cavities Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"IDGQ92.0.nO6.__uyp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5068 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Greetings: Has anyone here tried anything based on the casimir effect? What would happen if one made some spherical casimir plates, and placed one within the other, to the interior space? Maybe energy would be produced. Kyle Mcallister From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 14 16:52:56 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id QAA01544; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 16:52:18 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 16:52:18 -0700 (PDT) From: openway@nor.com.au Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 09:50:56 +1000 Message-Id: <199708142350.JAA29227@nornet.nor.com.au> X-Sender: openway@pophost.nor.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: experimental time wave generator Resent-Message-ID: <"NdKkl2.0.0O.kevyp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5069 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >> Due to the complex structure of the solar system, etc., everything is always >> changing direction anyway. This is not accleration in the sense we >> ordinarily use the term. > >Um, well, maybe. I normally use the term as it's used in physics, not as >used by a race car driver. > >However, as soon as the car enters into a curve, the driver (and >everything else in the car) will feel a push toward the outside of the >curve. This push is called acceleration according to physics. > To me "acceleration" implies an object gaining momentum with respect to the observer. Force of acceleration is not the same as an accelerating object or particle, which was the topic of the discussion. Otherwise I use the term centrifugal force. Anyway, I see we are talking about the same thing. Did you go to a private school? Peter From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 14 17:44:59 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id RAA07739; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 17:44:31 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 17:44:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 20:43:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Jason Aldo To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Dragone magnet energy paper fixed In-Reply-To: <19970812.231147.4422.3.tv@juno.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"9tOeC3.0.qu1.iPwyp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5070 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Tim, I tried to get the Dragone paper but geocities said it doesn't exist anymore. Please help. Pete Aldo On Tue, 12 Aug 1997, Tim D Vaughan wrote: > Oops I goofed, I posted a rough draft of a paper written by the > physicist Leon Dragone which he was not able to finish before he died of > a heart failure. > Sorry I left off some of the pages somehow and then was away for a few > days > so I didn't get it fixed until now. Sorry about that ! > > I took the suggestion of J. Naudin and converted the last four pages > to line art which save bandwidth. The rest of the pages are black and > white photo images scanned from the fax pages he sent me in > September, 1989. I can do the same for those later. > > While Dragone does not give any breakthroughs, he does give some food for > thought. > > It was his attempt to explain the cooling phenomena he observed with a > Joseph Newman (ferromagnetic core) motor he built. > > You can find it at: > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/4810/dragone1.html > > ( remember the file name must be typed exactly as it appears above > because UNIX is picky about case ) > > Tim Vaughan > ( tv@juno.com ) > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 14 20:06:50 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id UAA18462; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 20:06:10 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 20:06:10 -0700 Message-ID: <33F3F0B6.49C1@tiac.net> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 23:01:26 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Reply-To: bshannon@tiac.net Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: dequickbert@ucdavis.edu Subject: Re: If RMOD then SMOT References: <199708142102.OAA17320@pop1.ucdavis.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Y-hdL2.0.NW4.WUyyp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5071 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dan Quickert wrote: > > Bob Shannon wrote: > > > >But the point of this list is to foster discussion and testing. I've > >been discussing the testing of SMOT, and how we account for the total > >energy of the system, a critical item for proving over unity operation. > > > > Hi Bob, I just saw this post from you after I sent my recent, more lengthy > discussion. > > > > >Is this somehow out of bounds here? > > No, no! Discussion of the testing and methods for checking the total energy > are certainly not out of bounds. It's important, and your input is valuable > there. Where I think you step a bit too far is when you make quantitative > assumptions on the model without seeing it in operation, and insist on > quantitative conclusions based thereon. There seems to be some mixed opinions on this discussion! > Don't stop talking, just don't tell us how it would act if were pink when > we've seen it and it's green :-) > > Regards, > > Dan Well, not having seen the thing I'm not willing to say pink or green yet. As far as ignoring internal losses, we need to agree on what over unity means. The definition I'm using is energy in excess of running losses, as would be delivered to an external load. That energy above and beyond internal losses. The thing stops, some beleive that this is due to excess velocity, but this fails to describe what Greg describes as the more common case where the ball remains on the track, apparently lacking energy to exit the ramp. But its very clear that if/when SMOT evolves to run without stopping, that it will clearly be operating outside conventional physics. >From Gregs words, it seems the SMOT is right on the edge, thats why he is working to acheive less critical adjustments. So maybe to know just which side of the break-even point we are on now means we need to pay attention to all the details, including the internal losses. Thats why I suggested velocity over time graphs for the duration of the balls travel. Clearly this would include all losses, frictional and any induced effects. I'm not estimating the internal losses, just asking that they be measured along with any possible energy gains. But your right that I've not seen the thing, so I'll just have to keep wondering if its really pink or blue. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 14 20:12:43 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id UAA20054; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 20:12:16 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 20:12:16 -0700 Message-ID: <33F3D05D.F1A@sunherald.infi.net> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 20:43:30 -0700 From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" Reply-To: stk@sunherald.infi.net Organization: Good question! X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Wire Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"vKjRD1.0.Av4.Eayyp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5072 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Greetings: Where can I get 7500 feet of #16 AWG heavy formvar magnet wire? How expensive would it be? Kyle Mcallister From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 14 20:48:20 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id UAA26261; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 20:47:45 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 20:47:45 -0700 From: HLafonte@aol.com Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 23:47:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970814234537_-1068709701@emout10.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: good question on magnetic field Resent-Message-ID: <"6u0Bt.0.DQ6.V5zyp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5073 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Frank, First, thank you for your post, but not having a math background, I take it from your statements alone that magnetic fields do have weight when under the influence of gravity? If so, this is a very interesting piece of information. You are saying they do, right? Butch LaFonte From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 14 21:14:35 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id VAA02001; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 21:14:04 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 21:14:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 21:12:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708150412.VAA11813@franc.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: szdanq@blue.ucdavis.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dan Quickert Subject: Re: If RMOD then SMOT Resent-Message-ID: <"Ih7GG2.0.6V.9Uzyp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5074 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Bob, > >But your right that I've not seen the thing, so I'll just have to keep >wondering if its really pink or blue. It ain't pink *or* blue, dammit, its *green*! > >Thats why I suggested velocity over time graphs for the duration of the >balls travel. That's a good idea. I know you've been asking for that one for quite a while. Let's get some quantification! Anyone have the necessary equipment for that? Oops, well, um, one necessary piece is a closed-loop SMOT, isn't it? Maybe a good discussion thread would be to develop some very specific tests that should be made, with suggested methodology/equipment. I know some suggestions have been made in passing before, but let's focus on it. That's a productive way to spend the time until the units are shipped. Start out with velocity/time: exactly what will it take to do that with the necessary accuracy? Then how about calorimetry: is it feasible with this sort of device? What equipment/methods would work? And so on... Dan From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 14 21:37:40 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id VAA02580; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 21:36:45 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 21:36:45 -0700 From: tim.vaughan@trex.ccc-infonet.edu (Tim Vaughan) Subject: Longest run of RMOD ? Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 04:36:22 GMT Message-Id: <871619782@trex.ccc-infonet.edu> Organization: Yosemite Community College District To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Resent-Message-ID: <"muHje1.0.De.Spzyp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5075 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Greg, What is the longest run on the RMOD to date ? Tim ( tv@juno.com ) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 14 21:44:16 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id VAA06364; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 21:43:21 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 21:43:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 22:48:04 -0600 (MDT) From: Steve Ekwall X-Sender: ekwall2@november To: Bob Shannon cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Fwd: More SMOT improvements?] In-Reply-To: <33F33150.534@tiac.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"JF_Bx1.0.LZ1.cvzyp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5076 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Thu, 14 Aug 1997, Bob Shannon wrote: > Please explain why in the SMOT case you totally discount the 'unstick' > energy debt, while you agree that it is a real pheomena for the simple > bit of metal and magnet case? Actually Bob, a "GOOD SMOT doesn't 'stick' or need to be 'UNstuck'" That is (I think) one of the problems here in this/your discussion. :) In "GOOD" setups it won't STOP at the Top either (bad smots do that) Magnets and "the SMOT ramp will allow the ball to go forward - UPHILL - on a aluminum ramp AND fall off the end of that ramp AND 'roll-away'.. that is a 'GOOD SMOT'!! :)" bad smots tend to be out of adjustment either left or right or to high or low, and produce the results your 'sticking' too. bad, bad smot ;) -- but Greg is being very honest in his reporting when he reports these 'sticky' failures. ;) A "GOOD SMOT" (one ramp properly adjust & hopefully NAILED down at that optimum position is a bit hard to put together (as simple as it looks)). ---- A "GOOD SMOT" (note above: ROLL-AWAY) can be linked to another "GOOD SMOT" via a track or tube or channel, to allow the roll-away'ing ball to go to the next ramp to repeat its up & roll-a-way cycle. (connect the tracks in a circle, and you have a closed loop -ya?) ---- So, when you speak of a "Stick/Stuck" to, and PULLING OFF the ball to 'restore energy', THAT was a BAD SMOT..!! And I know we would all agree pulling a bit of metal/ball off a magnet is *NOT* O/U. The "GOOD SMOT" never gets STUCK, AND never STOPs. (see earlier Post's on this list and try building one yourself = much fun and amazement to be had) The amazing part is (invisioning) you have your magnets (doughnut shape say,) and YOUR paper clip on the table. You line them up (multiple magnets) over the desk and the paper clip JUMPS UP (no biggy)(duh) but instead of being stuck to the first magnet it GOES THROUGH the hole and up towards the next magnet, bull-eye'ing that one too - and on to the next and the next hole. THE MAGIC of the SMOT is that (BLUE) HOLE!! Greg has shown many how to seek it out and align it! Cool stuff, you will need lots of "backward NUMBERs" to figure it out when you finally SEE IT. Best to you & yours -=se=- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 14 22:03:23 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id WAA08818; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 22:01:39 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 22:01:39 -0700 (PDT) From: HLafonte@aol.com Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 00:59:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970815005953_66164731@emout04.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Crazy idea, but I'm sure I can out do it later on ! Resent-Message-ID: <"6iFii1.0.h92.nA-yp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5077 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: If a magnetic field around a coil does have weight, then I have a crazy idea for proving it. First have two coils on a see-saw type fixture, you know, straight frame with a balance point in the middle. The coil on the right has an arragement as to focus it's magnetic field to the right more than the one on the left. Now the only part of the fixture that is out of balance is the magnetic field of the right coil only. Now a lazer beam that is built into the device is pointed to a distance of 10 or 15 miles from the fixture to show the slightest movement of the fixture as a large movement of the beam due to the length of the beam from the fixture. The current on and off to the coil at equal time periods would help filter out "background" disturbances. Anybody want to touch this one? Butch Note: can anyone do the math to tell how much the fixture tilted if the beam 15 miles away moved .0001 inch ? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 14 22:33:43 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id WAA13779; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 22:27:47 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 22:27:47 -0700 Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 22:27:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708150527.WAA11693@denmark.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: mrandall@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Michael Randall Subject: Re: A Scalar Wave generator, The TEP V2.1 Resent-Message-ID: <"w98eR3.0.9N3.IZ-yp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5078 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 10:40 AM 8/14/97 -0700, Fred Epps wrote: >Hi all, > >> You will find a new topic about a design of a Scalar waves oscillator my >web >> site at : >> http://members.aol.com/overunity4/html/scalwidx.htm >> >> The TEP v2.1 or the "Time Energy Pump" uses bifilar coils technology for >> generating standing scalar waves. >> >I believe this circuit is a very important development. I strongly >recommend those of you who are electronically skilled to try it out. >Yes even I will build this one :-) Great! Looking forward to hearing of your confirmation of this effect. Jean-Louis design looks complete. Maybe a kit could be available? >I believe there is a STRONG potential for overunity with this circuit, or >modifications of it. >I disagree with Jean-louis about the importance of the scalar aspect, as I >think the output can be completely explained by parametric resonance. Fred, your paper "The Overunity parametric transformer," on Jean-Louis web site, was well written for a possible theory for an ou transformer. The >sharp drop in L as the current enters the bifilar assembly causes an >increase in the energy in the circuit, according to >E = Li^2/2. It takes very little energy to change the L of the coil (the >opposed magnetic fields of the entering current do it) and yet the energy >in the coil multiplies many times. >>From a time-linear perspective this increase will appear to directly >violate the law of conservation of energy. From within the changing time >frame of the device there is no such violation. >The Time Energy Pump is precisely that. It changes the time rate to create >free energy. > >Fred > Hi Fred and Jean-Louis, Excellent work guys! Looking forward to hearing more of this very interesting discovery. On the oscilloscope picture showing the linear increase of waveforms, what was the estimated increase of input to output voltage? Current? How would you tap this increasing energy for powering a load? Using a series resonant tap, as shown in Fred's paper? If you make a kit, I'll buy one. :-) Best Regards, Michael Randall From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 14 23:39:18 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id XAA21511; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 23:32:14 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 23:32:14 -0700 Message-ID: <33F3F66E.57EAD412@microtronics.com.au> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 15:55:50 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List Server Freenrg CC: List Server Vortex Subject: SMOT Mk2 Beta 4 "Rollaway" verification X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"WPQIr2.0.wF5.hV_yp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5079 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: HI All, I have put up info on the SMOT Mk2 Beta 4 OverUnity "Rollaway" verification process. Its on my SMOT page. PLEASE review and COMMENT. I want this OverUnity verification to be SOILD and accepted by ALL. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Phone / PC Fax ...... 61 8 8270 2737 E-mail .............. gwatson@microtronics.com.au Home Page ........... Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 15 00:21:29 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id AAA23360; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 00:21:03 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 00:21:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Conversation <199708141813.LAA02035@mail1.halcyon.com> with last message Priority: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 To: "Free Energy" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Fred Epps" Subject: Re: A Scalar Wave generator, The TEP V2.1 Date: Thu, 14 Aug 97 19:33:24 PDT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"qbnCi3.0.vi5.TD0zp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5080 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Ralph! I guess the message from Mr. Stiffler and his group was just posted on vortex-l. I assumed it was on both... When I get home (in two days) if it has not already been forwarded to freenrg-l I will do so. I will be interested in seeing the BiPEG design when it appears on a website. Fred ---------- > Fred, > > where is the message that you are quoting from here? > it never showed up in the list AFAIK > > r > > At 2:16 PM -0400 8/14/97, Fred Epps wrote: > >> The TEP V2.1 appears extremely similar to the (4) coil BiPEG (Bi-Phase > >> Energy Gate) developed by; > >> > >> Ronald R. Stiffler, EE > >> Dr. Franz Klien > >> Dr. Karl Sunderling > >> > > > >> We are not happy with such an early announcement as it will only cause > >> additional problems from questions and those that don't believe in the > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 15 00:27:40 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id AAA29489; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 00:27:12 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 00:27:12 -0700 Message-ID: <33F420B1.5CB8@swbell.net> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 02:26:09 -0700 From: Dragonslayer Organization: Apollo Industries X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-SBWA (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Crazy idea, but I'm sure I can out do it later on ! References: <970815005953_66164731@emout04.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"v71wS2.0.gC7.EJ0zp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5081 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: HLafonte@aol.com wrote: > > If a magnetic field around a coil does have weight, then I have a crazy idea > for proving it. > First have two coils on a see-saw type fixture, you know, straight frame with > a balance point in the middle. > The coil on the right has an arragement as to focus it's magnetic field to > the right more than the one on the left. > Now the only part of the fixture that is out of balance is the magnetic field > of the right coil only. > Now a lazer beam that is built into the device is pointed to a distance of 10 > or 15 miles from the fixture to show the slightest movement of the fixture as > a large movement of the beam due to the length of the beam from the fixture. > The current on and off to the coil at equal time periods would help filter > out "background" disturbances. > Anybody want to touch this one? > Butch > Note: can anyone do the math to tell how much the fixture tilted if the beam > 15 miles away moved .0001 inch ? I couldn't resist that! Gee HL, if, let's say that the source of your beam is one foot from the fulcrom. If you measure out 15 miles, and have only .0001 inch difference, then at your source your change is 1.0522e-10 inch. Somebody get me some glasses PLEASE! You crack me up! Todd From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 15 01:10:44 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id BAA27748; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 01:10:28 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 01:10:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33F2A6DB.6586@mail.dux.ru> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 10:34:03 +0400 From: "Alexander V. Frolov" Reply-To: frolov@mail.dux.ru Organization: Home Lab X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: A Scalar Wave generator, The TEP V2.1 References: <199708141813.LAA02035@mail1.halcyon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ONcy.0.Kn6.kx0zp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5082 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Fred Epps wrote: > > Hi all! > > > > > > The TEP V2.1 appears extremely similar to the (4) coil BiPEG (Bi-Phase > > Energy Gate) developed by; > > > > Ronald R. Stiffler, EE > > Dr. Franz Klien > > Dr. Karl Sunderling > > > > > We are not happy with such an early announcement as it will only cause > > additional problems from questions and those that don't believe in the > > possibility of OU. ATG has a web site which will be announced within the > > next 72 hours, unless our legal people advise otherwise. The site will > > show a number of BiPEG circuits and discuss the evolution of BiPEG and > > the existing (4) coil OU device. > > > > If Mr. Stiffler and associates have also come up with the same working > principle as Jean-louis, then they have discovered a basic principle of > nature, like the photovoltaic effect. Certainly their patents pending are > valid and should be respected. But if the principle at work is as general > as I think, then it will not be difficult for anyone to come up with > designs that use this principle that in no way infringe on their patents. > I am not knowledgeable about patents but it seems to me that although a > type of solar cell can be patented, it is impossible to patent the > photovoltaic effect. I'm sure someone will tell me if I am wrong :-) > > Fred Hi, Please, what is the difference between well-known photoeffect and so called photovoltaic effect? Alexander V. Frolov From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 15 01:12:25 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id BAA27933; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 01:11:56 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 01:11:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33F364C5.B07@mail.dux.ru> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 00:04:21 +0400 From: "Alexander V. Frolov" Reply-To: frolov@mail.dux.ru Organization: Home Lab X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "PROJECT OMICRON: James E. Tracy" , Jerry , freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: "PROJECT OMICRON: James E. Tracy" Subject: time pump Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ZaiM.0.Mq6.9z0zp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5083 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: CHRONAL ASYMMETRY (Time pump) J.L.Naudin's idea to use bifilar coils, by my opinion, is not only way to get the same effect. According to his oscillogrammes, the form of the pulses is asymmetrical: dU/dt>0 is more quickly than dU/dt<0 So, the changes of the energy density here is created in some asymmetrical manner. Results: 1. Secondary flux is created according to increase or decrease fo the primary flux. If the primary flux is increasing, the secondary flux would be in opposition. If the primarry flux is decreasing, the secondary flux would be co-directed with the primarry flux. If the electromagnetic transformer use only decreasing flux (periodicall, like Naudin's system) the secondary coil always produce the field that is co-ordinated with the primarry field. So, the load in secondary coircuit would be free, more than free: it would produce decreasing of consumption from primarry source of the generator. For example, generator need 100 watts to work without load to produce asymmetrical pulses (only decreasing). After the load is connected to the secondary coil, it would be produce in output 80 watts, for example. The consumption of the generator would be changed from 100 Watts to 20 Watts. Now we have 20 Watts input and 80 Wattts output. The principle is clear. 2. I wrote about it in New Energy NEws, Newsletter for Institute for New Energy, 1994. Some device was demostrated in the conference of 1996, St.-Petersburg. 3. Gravitation and chronal effects also would be produced since electromagnetic and gravitation energy connected by some equation, please, look The Proceedings of the conference New Ideas in Natural Sciences, pp.379. The idea is quite simple. Let's assume that total energy in 4th consideration is zero and the conservation law is the law for conservation of the zero balance between different forms of the energy. "Plus-Time process" + "Minus-Time process" energy sum is zero. Electromagnetic energy is time process. Gravity is time-reversed process. By Bearden the same is looking as photon and antiphoton. Suppose, dE/dt + dW/dt = 0 where E is electromagnetic energy and W is gravitation energy. In any electromagnetic generator there are processes for interexchange between E and W. W-form of energy allow to produce exchange of energy between primary and secondary coils of any transformer, also for vacuum core of the coils. Remember that space itself demonstrate certain "mu" and "epsilon" as real magnetic and electrical parameters. Space is real matter, in this sense, core or intermediator between coils. This matter allow to transfer energy from primary to secondary and transfer reaction from secondary to primary, in sinusoidal case the space is working as 1:1 for W-energy increasing dW/dt>0 and decreasing dW/dt<0. In this case, per one cycle nothing changed in space. So, dE/dt = - dW/dt it is clear that "minus" can be property of "t" only. It is vector sign. So, dE/d"plus-time" = dW/d"minus-time" For asymmetrical case, the space-time would transfer from primary to secondary only half-sinusoidal decreasing of the energy density dE/dt<0. So, produced only dW/dt<0 and it require to decrease the density of W-energy by some way. There is only one way: transformation into E-form. How? The secondary coil produce only periodical dE/dt>0. It is possible in strength of the transformation of W-form into E-form. The same process is working in normal sinusoidal generator, but in asymmetrical case there is no other part of the process to return energy back from E-form into W-form. So, this transformator would pump E-form of energy (over-unity operation) into secondary when the density of energy into primary coil is changed only as dE/dt<0. Sure, something would be decreasing if energy in output is periodically increasing. This "something" is the density of energy of W-form. 4. I suppose, that the amplitude modulation by J.L.Naudin is not the best efficiency way. Really, according to Planck: E=hf where f is frequency. So, the asymmetrical frequency modulation (FM) is the best way to produce the asymmetrical changes of the density of energy. Also it is more easy to built as digital circuit. I tried to find investor in this project a long time ago. With best respects, Alexander V. Frolov From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 15 01:12:37 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id BAA27963; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 01:12:06 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 01:12:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33F34E3C.6259@mail.dux.ru> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 22:28:12 +0400 From: "Alexander V. Frolov" Reply-To: frolov@mail.dux.ru Organization: Home Lab X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stk@sunherald.infi.net CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Casimir cavities References: <33F39D92.1BDE@sunherald.infi.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"qYtG7.0.lq6.Hz0zp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5084 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Kyle R. Mcallister wrote: > > Greetings: > > Has anyone here tried anything based on the casimir effect? What would > happen if one made some spherical casimir plates, and placed one within > the other, to the interior space? Maybe energy would be produced. > > Kyle Mcallister I know Dr. Wingate Lambertson by private correspondence, he made real working solid state free energy device and he think that it is working on the Casimir effect. He patented it. I have the papers but in email form you can find it in as WIN project, placed in web page Alexander V. Frolov From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 15 05:08:29 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id FAA13290; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 05:08:15 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 05:08:15 -0700 (PDT) From: HLafonte@aol.com Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 08:06:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970815080630_-386886673@emout11.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Crazy idea, but I'm sure I can out do it later on ! Resent-Message-ID: <"R3gb63.0.ZF3.jQ4zp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5085 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Todd, Stay tuned, there will be more to come ! Butch From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 15 05:40:06 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id FAA15620; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 05:39:48 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 05:39:48 -0700 (PDT) From: HLafonte@aol.com Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 08:38:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970815083804_-569619977@emout10.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: To John : Re: Same voltage used on two coil test ? Resent-Message-ID: <"Mal7h1.0.zp3.Hu4zp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5086 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: John, The test consisted of two coils, one with 80 pounds # 10 GA. wire, the other with 5 pounds # 10 GA. wire. The center of the spool was knocked out with a hammer so a magnet on the end of a dial arm could be put in the near center of the coil. As the circuit to the coil was closed with 18 VDC applied, the dial would move to a point on the scale of about 3 and an amp meter read about 3 amps or so. This was on the 5 pound coil. As the same voltage source was applied to the large coil, the meter would read 2 amps and the force gauge would read about 7 or 9. The point was that the large coil used less amps, but did more work, during the same or shorter time period. This was due to the magnetic field coming from the mass of wire not the current is how Joe puts it I believe. There is a video tape of the demo. as to it still being available still, you would have to ask Evan Soule. He is on the list. Hope this helped, Butch From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 15 06:40:43 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id GAA08126; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 06:40:02 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 06:40:02 -0700 Message-ID: <33F48548.14BD@tiac.net> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 09:35:20 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Reply-To: bshannon@tiac.net Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: If RMOD then SMOT References: <199708150412.VAA11813@franc.ucdavis.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"DRgKk.0.t-1.nm5zp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5087 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dan Quickert wrote: > > Bob, > > > >But your right that I've not seen the thing, so I'll just have to keep > >wondering if its really pink or blue. > > It ain't pink *or* blue, dammit, its *green*! Green eh? A lot of people are turning blue wanting to know the score! > > > > >Thats why I suggested velocity over time graphs for the duration of the > >balls travel. > > That's a good idea. I know you've been asking for that one for quite a > while. Let's get some quantification! Anyone have the necessary equipment > for that? Oops, well, um, one necessary piece is a closed-loop SMOT, isn't it? Yep, please understand that I'm not trying to "accuse" Greg, I'm just interested in seeing some objective data, not "it looks like" or "it must be" style subjective descriptions. > Maybe a good discussion thread would be to develop some very specific tests > that should be made, with suggested methodology/equipment. I know some > suggestions have been made in passing before, but let's focus on it. That's > a productive way to spend the time until the units are shipped. Start out > with velocity/time: exactly what will it take to do that with the necessary > accuracy? Then how about calorimetry: is it feasible with this sort of > device? What equipment/methods would work? And so on... One simple approach might be to use a stroboscopic flash, and make a multiple exposure photograph while the device in in operation. With images of the balls position recorded every tenth of a second or so, we can calculate the velocity and all losses. this might work over a single circuit around the track, but multiple trips around the track would be hard to follow, for this we would need a video. The video could be analized every so many frames, and the balls position recorded as with the multiple exposure photo, and again velocity and losses could be measured rather than speculated. This method would permit full analisis of the balls energy, and the systems total losses from ball injection right through to its eventual capture by the magnetic field. The only thing this does not give us, is the unstick force data, which I agree is far more significant if the ball leaves the track than if it remains at the exit point. But either way it stopps, we must include this energy according to conventional theory. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 15 06:55:06 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id GAA27236; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 06:54:37 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 06:54:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33F4886D.51B0@tiac.net> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 09:48:45 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Reply-To: bshannon@tiac.net Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: To John : Re: Same voltage used on two coil test ? References: <970815083804_-569619977@emout10.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"a_AYZ.0.Sf6.Q-5zp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5088 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: HLafonte@aol.com wrote: > > John, > The test consisted of two coils, one with 80 pounds # 10 GA. wire, the other > with 5 pounds # 10 GA. wire. > The center of the spool was knocked out with a hammer so a magnet on the end > of a dial arm could be put in the near center of the coil. > As the circuit to the coil was closed with 18 VDC applied, the dial would > move to a point on the scale of about 3 and an amp meter read about 3 amps or > so. This was on the 5 pound coil. Have you ever measured the true voltage delivered by two series connected nine volt batteries while they deliver 3 amps? > As the same voltage source was applied to the large coil, the meter would > read 2 amps and the force gauge would read about 7 or 9. Was the voltage really the same at a MUCH lower current demand? > The point was that the large coil used less amps, but did more work, during > the same or shorter time period. This was due to the magnetic field coming > from the mass of wire not the current is how Joe puts it I believe. I disagree. Please check the achives on this. Use a regulated power supply, and see if this effect is real or not. > There is a video tape of the demo. as to it still being available still, you > would have to ask Evan Soule. He is on the list. > Hope this helped, > Butch From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 15 09:41:26 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id JAA12979; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 09:40:55 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 09:40:55 -0700 From: Keasy@aol.com Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 12:40:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970815123809_1317780836@emout10.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Crazy idea, but I'm sure I can out do it later on ! Resent-Message-ID: <"PPpzQ1.0.hA3.LQ8zp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5089 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Regarding your proposed experiment, according to the equivalence principle, the magnetic field around a coil does have weight, but it is VERY! small. Air motion, friction, and even other small effects would keep you from measuring it. For that matter, if you charge a capacitor it should weigh more; if you simply discharge a capacitor into a resistor the resistor should weigh more. Ken Keasy@aol.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 15 09:43:31 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id JAA13448; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 09:43:17 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 09:43:17 -0700 Message-ID: <33F486C6.EB431710@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 12:41:42 -0400 From: Dave DeLeo Reply-To: ddeleo@ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: If RMOD then SMOT X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199708150412.VAA11813@franc.ucdavis.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"q1IDM.0.zH3.ZS8zp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5090 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dan Quickert wrote: > Maybe a good discussion thread would be to develop some very specific > tests > that should be made, with suggested methodology/equipment. I know some > > suggestions have been made in passing before, but let's focus on it. > That's > a productive way to spend the time until the units are shipped. Start > out > with velocity/time: exactly what will it take to do that with the > necessary > accuracy? Then how about calorimetry: is it feasible with this sort of > > device? What equipment/methods would work? And so on... > How about a series of equally spaced light beam sensors going around the track for the ball to pass through. When the ball breaks the beam have it record the time and position. From this data you could easily calculate the velocity at various points. I guess a computer interface to the sensors would be a good way to analyze it especially if the smot does start running for hours or days at a time........ It could continually record the data and chart it for you. Just an idea...... Dave DeLeo From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 15 09:56:00 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id JAA19496; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 09:54:46 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 09:54:46 -0700 (PDT) From: HLafonte@aol.com Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 12:52:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970815125027_-51249253@emout19.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: File formats Resent-Message-ID: <"7nyk9.0.Vm4.Id8zp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5091 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Stefan, I am trying to convert my cad drawings to a format to attach to e-mail I send out. The formats that my cad program will convert to are, DXF, HPGL, EPS, XYZ . Do you know if I can use any of these to send over the web with e-mail. If not what would be the best format for the web as an attachment to e-mail? I have got to get my drawings out to people on the list some how! Do I need to have them put on a scaner, if so, to what format? HELP! Butch LaFonte From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 15 10:11:49 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id KAA18505; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 10:10:51 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 10:10:51 -0700 Message-ID: <33F3DFC0.4169@swbell.net> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 21:49:04 -0700 From: Dragonslayer Organization: Apollo Industries X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-SBWA (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: If RMOD then SMOT References: <19970814.095237.3342.1.tv@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"is9Z62.0.sW4.Ps8zp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5092 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Tim D Vaughan wrote: > > If the RMOD goes for 5 days plus who cares if the SMOT ramp gets stuck > in 5 minutes. The SMOT is an inferior design but Greg is prevented from > sharing it with us without possibly losing patent rights. > I sure wish patents wouldn't take so long. > > Greg is trying to prove the reality of overunity effects in > ferromagnetism without > giving away all his hard work. Most inventors who make such claims just > blow alot of smoke and blame other people for their problems. > > Lets be patient and give the guy a chance ! > > Tim Vaughan > ( tv@juno.com ) I'll second THAT! Seems that alot of people are dragging it through the mud especially here, and seemingly haven't looked much at his home page. It amazes me that it goes up the ramp at all. Also, I liked Christian's idea of using a calorimeter to measure additional energy, but it occurs to me that measurements of (apparent) mass could be taken at the end of each cycle without disturbing the continuing operation of the device significantly. If there is additional (apparent) mass at the end of each cycle as the ball falls, as compared to the mass at rest, then HECK add up all those measurement, for however many times the journey is completed and VOILA! Am I just being stupid here or does this make sence at all? Todd From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 15 10:27:52 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id KAA21502; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 10:27:32 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 10:27:32 -0700 From: HLafonte@aol.com Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 13:26:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970815132541_1352269476@emout02.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Magnetic switch question Resent-Message-ID: <"2JZ9z3.0.tF5.369zp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5093 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: TO ALL: If a permanent magnet is attached to an iron bar and the flux goes to the far end, now you place an electro-magnet directly across from the permanent magnet so that when you run a current through the coil of the electro-magnet, the flux in the bar is diverted directly to the electro-magnet, what happens within the coil of the electro-magnet as the diverted flux reaches the electro-magnet? Does the addition of this flux cause a back EMF in the coil or does it aid in the current flow ? This is a very important part of a system I have been working on for a long time and it is the last part of the operation I have to figure out. Comments, please Thanks, Butch LaFonte From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 15 11:07:06 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id LAA30266; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 11:06:16 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 11:06:16 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970815120224.00736b38@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 12:02:24 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: Re: File formats In-Reply-To: <970815125027_-51249253@emout19.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"in9Zd1.0.bO7.Mg9zp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5094 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi all, At 12:52 8/15/97 -0400,Butch wrote about e-mailing drawings: >out. The formats that my cad program will convert to are, DXF, HPGL, EPS, XYZ If you are sending the files to other people using CAD programs your best bet is DXF. Many DTP programs and Word proccessors will handle EPS, but it's a format that suffers more than most from compatibility problems, but those would be my second and third choices. If you want to ensure that everyone can view the drawings, use a program like Paint Shop Pro (it's shareware), do a screen grab of the drawing, then save it as a JPEG or GIF. If your CAD program runs in DOS protected mode a screen grabber probably won't work...Then I suggest you find someone with PhotoShop, Hi-Jack Pro, or maybe Image Alchemy, that can convert the EPS file into a JPEG, or GIF. It doesn't matter to the E-mail client what type of drawing format you use. The client program, like Pegasus, or Eudora, converts the attached _binary files_ into an encoded text file using MIME using BINHEX, UUENCODE...whatever, before sending it. Best Regards, JD ------------------------------------------------------------ "Don't panic! ...I'm not from the government, and I wouldn't lift a tentacle to help you." -Bug Eyed Monster E-mail to: mules@palacenet.net ------------------------------------------------------------ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 15 11:43:01 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id LAA04724; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 11:42:30 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 11:42:30 -0700 From: HLafonte@aol.com Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 14:41:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970815143853_-185497563@emout03.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Simple question about electro-magnet Resent-Message-ID: <"IUZhy3.0.c91.LCAzp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5095 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: When an electro-magnet's coil has a steady state DC current flowing in it, and a iron bar is placed close to it so that the bar is pulled to the electro-magnet, what happens in the coil of the electro-magnet? Does it experience a back EMF as the bar is moving to the pole of the electro-magnet or does something else happen to the current state? Your comments, Butch From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 15 11:56:01 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id LAA07741; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 11:55:37 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 11:55:37 -0700 Message-Id: <199708151855.NAA01315@dsm7.dsmnet.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Dean T. Miller" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 13:46:31 (-050 Subject: Re: experimental time wave generator Priority: normal In-reply-to: <199708142350.JAA29227@nornet.nor.com.au> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.52) Resent-Message-ID: <"ddIsB.0.su1.eOAzp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5096 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Peter, > From: openway@nor.com.au > Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 09:50:56 +1000 > To me "acceleration" implies an object gaining momentum with respect to the > observer. Okay. That's the race car driver's meaning. He can also put on his brakes to decelerate to lose momentum, while for a physicist the braking action will be called an acceleration with the force (push) vector in a direction opposite to the current movement. > Force of acceleration is not the same as an accelerating object or > particle That's true -- I was imprecise. Acceleration is the result of applying force to an object. > Otherwise I use the term > centrifugal force. Anyway, I see we are talking about the same thing. Again, okay. But it's important to realize that centrifugal force produces an acceleration on the object 'feeling' the force. This is why the clocks at different altitudes will show slightly different times -- because each clock is accelerating at a slightly different rate due to different centrifugal forces (and different gravity accelerations). > Did you go to a private school? Nope. Public schools and universities. -- Dean -- from Des Moines (KB0ZDF) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 15 12:09:34 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id MAA10393; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 12:09:01 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 12:09:01 -0700 (PDT) From: JNaudin509@aol.com Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 15:07:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970815150523_-1739513716@emout17.mail.aol.com> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com cc: hamdix@verisoft.com.tr, freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re : Re: A Scalar Wave generator, The TEP V2.1 Resent-Message-ID: <"gsYRF3.0.HY2.9bAzp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5097 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Hamdi, Good new, I am glad that the TEP device is easy to build and that the waves that I have measured are reproducible. On 15/08/1997 15:27:44 , Hamdi Ucar wrote : << Suj : Re: A Scalar Wave generator, The TEP V2.1 Date : 15/08/1997 15:27:44 From: hamdix@verisoft.com.tr (Hamdi Ucar) Hi Jean-Louis, I tried it (with significantly different configuration) and see such as waveform on the scope. I had a prebuild bifilar coil of 30mm diameter and 75mm length wounded 0.55 wire. A adapted an other coil as L3. Collector coil was not important. It only need to supply enough high impedance for the transistor to keep the current reasonable range. I used 2N3055. An other modification is a insertion of an 10nF serially to the Base. Direct connection of L3 caused very large currents and not oscillate well. >> I have tested my TEP device V2.1 with three transistors 2N5301 with different gains ( hfe=38, 35, 40 ). Your experiment is very interesting, I have tested also some High Voltage transistors with high gain like BU407 and the TEP has not oscillated. Your modification by inserting an 10 nF confirm to me that low gain transistor ( hfe<50 ) must be appropriated. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------ << Instead of connecting a probe to circuit, I observed oscillations via an other small coil attached to the probe and inserted inside the bifilar coil.(Probe's large capacitance affected the circuit when attached directly) What I see on the scope is similar to your waveform as: (look with fixed width fonts) | | ||| ||| ||||| ||||| ||||||| ||||||| ||||||||| ||||||||| |||||||||||| |||||||||||| ----|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||---- |||||||||||| |||||||||||| ||||||||| ||||||||| ||||||| ||||||| ||||| ||||| ||| ||| | | +------6uS-----+ 166KHz Signal is modulated with 4MHz. >> You have used a different kind of bifilar coil. In the case of my TEP V2.1 the signal is about 909 KHz with a ferrite rod and about 363 KHz with no ferrite rod. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------- << My question is: Is something that can not be explained with a conventional thinking of electronics on this oscilation mode? >> I think that the TEP work in two different steps : 1) When the current pulse enters in each side of the bifilar, we have two flux of EM energy in the coil during this transient state, the first one goes from the Left to the Right and the second, from the Right to the Left. It is this EM wave which is collected by the coil L3 and restarts the oscillation of the system. During this short transient state the parametric effect acts and the inductance of each coil L1 and L2 drops from the normal value to zero very quickly due to their reciprocating interaction. The time constant in the circuit changes rapidly as the current enters both sides of the bifilar coil. 2) AFTER this first step the coil acts as a NORMAL BIFILAR, in other words like a simple NON-INDUCTIVE resistor and a scalar pulse could be generated... The most important think is that the effect may be easily reproduced with different sizes of coils and different kinds of transistors. The only condition to respect is the main principle of the TEP scheme : a bifilar coil in parametric excitation mode. Nice Job, I have added today a new topic in my web site about the "TEP experimenter's feedback" and you will find your report at : http://members.aol.com/overunity4/html/tepfeedb.htm Sincerely, ( This mail has been sent at 19h02 GMT on 15 August 97 ) Jean-Louis Naudin ( France / GMT+2 ) Email : JNaudin509@aol.com my Overunity WEB Server : http://members.aol.com/JNaudin509/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 15 12:38:57 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id MAA15683; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 12:38:27 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 12:38:27 -0700 Message-ID: <33F3E2DF.5052@mail.dux.ru> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 09:02:23 +0400 From: "Alexander V. Frolov" Reply-To: frolov@mail.dux.ru Organization: Home Lab X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bpaddock@csonline.net CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: time pump References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ZNGFk3.0.tq3.o0Bzp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5098 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Bob Paddock wrote: > > Ok, my question is how do you prevent the energy, vital > force, from being removed from the body, while these devices > are in operation? I think this is the question for some certain device. And why "removed" only, but perhaps the opposite case is possible? Look the Kozyrev's papers, the density of time and its physical sense. It is a long talk, but it is real physical experimental work. > >No comments about "cold current". I don't use this notion. > What would you prefer? I think you told about displacement current or current in the vacuum near the wire which can be used for power transfer but the wire is cold? Alexander From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 15 12:39:59 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id MAA16021; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 12:39:44 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 12:39:44 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970815133538.00736324@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 13:35:38 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: Re: time pump In-Reply-To: <33F364C5.B07@mail.dux.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"av5UI3.0.Ew3._1Bzp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5099 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi All... At 00:04 8/15/97 +0400, Alexander V. Frolov wrote: >CHRONAL ASYMMETRY > (Time pump) > >J.L.Naudin's idea to use bifilar coils, by my opinion, is not only way >to get the same effect. > >According to his oscillogrammes, the form of the pulses is asymmetrical: What effect? So, a blocking oscillator has been constructed, and it has an asymmetrical output, a blocking oscillator always produces an asymmetrical output. The only oddity that I see when looking at the schematic, is the notation attached to the air core "collector" inductor. What is it's purpose, other than functioning as a component of one resonant circuit. Why is it named thus? I don't see any indication from the oscillographs of anything unexpected. Non-linear circuits, with multiple tuned circuits, can oscillate at various frequencies simultaneously. If this device generates a train of scalar pulses I can imagine some interesting applications. Aside from this possible characteristic, is there something else about the circuit that I should be aware of? Best Regards, JD ------------------------------------------------------------ "Don't panic! ...I'm not from the government, and I wouldn't lift a tentacle to help you." -Bug Eyed Monster E-mail to: mules@palacenet.net ------------------------------------------------------------ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 15 12:49:42 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id MAA16318; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 12:49:05 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 12:49:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33F4088E.4B29@mail.dux.ru> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 11:43:10 +0400 From: "Alexander V. Frolov" Reply-To: frolov@mail.dux.ru Organization: Home Lab X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Re : Re: A Scalar Wave generator, The TEP V2.1 References: <970815150523_-1739513716@emout17.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"J2hO62.0.o-3.fABzp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5100 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: JNaudin509@aol.com wrote: > On 15/08/1997 15:27:44 , Hamdi Ucar wrote : > << Suj : Re: A Scalar Wave generator, The TEP V2.1 > > | | > ||| ||| > ||||| ||||| > ||||||| ||||||| > ||||||||| ||||||||| > |||||||||||| |||||||||||| > ----|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||---- > |||||||||||| |||||||||||| > ||||||||| ||||||||| > ||||||| ||||||| > ||||| ||||| > ||| ||| > | | > Hello, this a fine example of exchange the reason (cause) and the some secondary effect. Are you think that any kind of bifilar winding is important? May be just non-sine form of wave is important? Look my previous message for relation between electromagnetic and gravitational forms of energy and role of such sort asymmetry described above. Alexander V. Frolov From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 15 12:53:58 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id MAA17184; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 12:53:26 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 12:53:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33F4DC73.144B@tiac.net> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 15:47:15 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Reply-To: bshannon@tiac.net Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ddeleo@ix.netcom.com CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: If RMOD then SMOT References: <199708150412.VAA11813@franc.ucdavis.edu> <33F486C6.EB431710@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"tALqw3.0.NC4.nEBzp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5101 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dave DeLeo wrote: > How about a series of equally spaced light beam sensors going around the > track for the ball to pass through. When the ball breaks the beam have > it record the time and position. From this data you could easily > calculate the velocity at various points. I guess a computer interface > to the sensors would be a good way to analyze it especially if the smot > does start running for hours or days at a time........ It could > continually record the data and chart it for you. Just an idea...... > > Dave DeLeo Excellent suggestion Dave! This is the way to go for velocity, kenetic energy and losses other than any unstick forces. The only difficulties I see are the specifics of the computer interface and any needed software, but these are not big problems at all. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 15 13:00:30 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id NAA18478; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 13:00:01 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 13:00:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33F4DE0F.7904@tiac.net> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 15:54:07 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Reply-To: bshannon@tiac.net Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: If RMOD then SMOT References: <19970814.095237.3342.1.tv@juno.com> <33F3DFC0.4169@swbell.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"SdOrv2.0.ZW4._KBzp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5102 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dragonslayer wrote: > > Tim D Vaughan wrote: > > > > If the RMOD goes for 5 days plus who cares if the SMOT ramp gets stuck > > in 5 minutes. The SMOT is an inferior design but Greg is prevented from > > sharing it with us without possibly losing patent rights. > > I sure wish patents wouldn't take so long. > > > > Greg is trying to prove the reality of overunity effects in > > ferromagnetism without > > giving away all his hard work. Most inventors who make such claims just > > blow alot of smoke and blame other people for their problems. > > > > Lets be patient and give the guy a chance ! > > > > Tim Vaughan > > ( tv@juno.com ) > > I'll second THAT! Seems that alot of people are dragging it through the > mud especially here, and seemingly haven't looked much at his home page. How is discussion of testing methods dragging the thing through the mud? Is this an objective perspective? I've read Greg's home page, and thats where I read about the ball failing to exit, which does not strongly imply overunity. > It amazes me that it goes up the ramp at all. Also, I liked Christian's > idea of using a calorimeter to measure additional energy, but it occurs > to me that measurements of (apparent) mass could be taken at the end of > each cycle without disturbing the continuing operation of the device > significantly. If there is additional (apparent) mass at the end of > each > cycle as the ball falls, as compared to the mass at rest, then HECK add > up all those measurement, for however many times the journey is > completed > and VOILA! Am I just being stupid here or does this make sence at all? The ammount of mass that would be converted to the tiny energy levels we are discussing cannto easily be measured, how many parts per trillion do you think we can measure accurately? The same is true for calorimeters, look at the small scale of energy we are looking for here. The energy is apparently kenetic, so measuring velocity over time is the best approach in my opinion, as this also gives un good data on the losses within the system. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 15 13:11:04 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id NAA20214; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 13:10:27 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 13:10:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33F4E081.559@tiac.net> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 16:04:33 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Reply-To: bshannon@tiac.net Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Re : Re: A Scalar Wave generator, The TEP V2.1 References: <970815150523_-1739513716@emout17.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"FD4vi2.0.lx4.nUBzp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5103 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: JNaudin509@aol.com wrote: > I think that the TEP work in two different steps : > > 1) When the current pulse enters in each side of the bifilar, we have two > flux of EM energy in the coil during this transient state, the first one goes > from the Left to the Right and the second, from the Right to the Left. It is > this EM wave which is collected by the coil L3 and restarts the oscillation > of the system. As these coils are bifilar coils, we might prefer to think of two scalar potentials being emitted, which then interfer and yeild an EM wave, especially if both bifilar coils have been seperately tested, and show essentially no EM leakage. > During this short transient state the parametric effect acts and the > inductance of each coil L1 and L2 drops from the normal value to zero very > quickly due to their reciprocating interaction. The time constant in the > circuit changes rapidly as the current enters both sides of the bifilar coil. > > 2) AFTER this first step the coil acts as a NORMAL BIFILAR, in other words > like a simple NON-INDUCTIVE resistor and a scalar pulse could be generated... Why do we think that the bifilar coils inductance is changing, and becomming non inductive AFTER the current flows? If it's bifilar, it will have very little inductance ALL the time. > The most important think is that the effect may be easily reproduced with > different sizes of coils and different kinds of transistors. The only > condition to respect is the main principle of the TEP scheme : a bifilar coil > in parametric excitation mode. Maybe rather than trying to describe the interaction of non-inductive coils from a parametric approach, we ought to try to understand parametric phenomena from a scalar EM approach? This might be a more direct path. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 15 13:48:58 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id NAA29156; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 13:48:36 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 13:48:36 -0700 Message-ID: <33F4E9AF.ECF@tiac.net> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 16:43:43 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Reply-To: bshannon@tiac.net Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Scalar waves & the Time Pump. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"wK9XY1.0.P77.a2Czp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5104 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Here are a few suggestions for interested TEP experimenters: Rather than having a single bifilar coil, with a conventional (single wound) coil over it, we might want to test two coaxial bifilar coils inside a conventional coil. Tests could be made to show that when we drive either bifilar coil alone we do not see any induced signals (EM coupling) between the excited bifilar coil and the conventional (collector) coil. We could then test the two possible cases where both bifilar coils were driven, first in phase, and again with the bifilar coils driven 180 degrees out of phase. This testing can be used to explore the behavior of any interference between the bifilar coils. If they indeed do emit scalar waves, then we should see an EM signal in the collector when the two scalar waves interact be destructive interference, and yeild an EM wave. Constructive interference would produce a larger scalar, with no EM coupling to the conventional coil. This should suggest a great many ways to isolate an energy source from back EMF and other effects. If we load the 'collector' coil, how would this load be reflected back to the source? Standard disclaimer: if these scalar waves are real, then we need to be very careful about their reported biological effects. Experimenters must assume all risks of their work in this area! It's a lot more fun than chasing rolling balls in my opinion, but its a heck of a lot more dangerous too. Jean-Louis, you need a good scalar detector to proceed in your work! You might try connecting your bifilar coil windings in series rather than having one in the emitter circuit, and the other in the (transistors) collector circuit. I shall try to generate schematics for the super-regenerative detector over this weekend. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 15 14:25:23 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id OAA03763; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 14:24:35 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 14:24:35 -0700 X-Sender: rmuha@mail Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <33F2AAF4.647@tiac.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 17:19:37 -0400 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: ralph muha Subject: Re: Barkhausen Battery ? Scalar waves FAQ ? Resent-Message-ID: <"kot7s2.0.iw.IaCzp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5105 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 2:51 AM -0400 8/14/97, Bob Shannon wrote: >ralph muha wrote: >> >> so, if you can generate scalar pulses with a bifiliar coil, can you >> use one to detect them? why do you need a barkhausen detector? > >Well, if these scalar waves pass right through conductors and Faraday >cages, why should we expect it to react to another bifilar coil? Because many generator/detector systems are reversable. Eg, a loudspeaker can act as a microphone. A tank circuit can be used (except for power level considerations) in a receiver or a transmitter. So why should scalars be any different? >If a passing scalar waves does not induce Eddy currents in a conductor, >it will not couple to either shielding, bifilar or conventional coils. > >It will however alter the phase of an electron wave, according to the >Aharnov-Bohm effect, so it can be detected in second order effects. What if the 'receiving' bifiliar coil were energized with a fixed DC bias? Would the passing scalar interfere with that in some way, and create a measurable effect? Are you certain that the coil is necessary to generate the scalar pulse? What if it is the capacitive discharge itself that is responsible for the signal that you are detecting? r From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 15 16:59:11 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id QAA23649; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 16:57:37 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 16:57:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33F4EB26.9A923C0D@microtronics.com.au> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 09:19:58 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com CC: List Server Freenrg Subject: Re: SMOT Mk2 Beta 4 "Rollaway" verification X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <33F3F66E.57EAD412@microtronics.com.au> <33F4789F.23B296C2@verisoft.com.tr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"MHGHz1.0.Hn5.epEzp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5106 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hamdi Ucar wrote: > > Greg Watson wrote: > > > > HI All, > > > > I have put up info on the SMOT Mk2 Beta 4 OverUnity "Rollaway" > > verification process. Its on my SMOT page. > > > > PLEASE review and COMMENT. > > Hi Greg, > > My comment is little funny. Don't take it very seriously. > > On your verification letter there is some points which not may satisfy > scientists at the same time: That's what I want to here. > a) Scientists does not verify claims, never! They test them and report > what they found. They use their own procedures and schemes to test claims. I accept this. My goal in the "Verification" process is to have a agreeded performance goal. Once this is agreeded by ALL, I will built the units to achieve this goal. I will have a SOLID goal in my design and development process to achieve. The verifiers will know exactly what the min performance will be. Where they go from there is open. > b) They occasionally follow given instructions to determine if the > supplied material satisfy the given requirements. (This is what you > wanted) But they not comment / interpret whether these requirements and > instructions can proof or disproof a physical fact. (They not tell you > whether this test procedure is suitable for proofing OU) That's HARD. WE all need to agree on the performance needed to verify OU. > c) They may discuss a given procedure, a setup if it is suitable to test > a condition(OU). But they not conduct the experiment on the given procedure. The verification unit is very simple. What it will do is simple. All I need is an answer as to whether a 150mm or more "Rollaway" will be accepted as OU. If not why not and what will be acceptable? > Summary: > > This verification procedure documentation is a good discussion platform. > > Regards, > > hamdi ucar Hi Hamdi, Thanks for the input. Keep it coming. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Phone / PC Fax ...... 61 8 8270 2737 E-mail .............. gwatson@microtronics.com.au Home Page ........... Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 15 17:07:54 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id RAA25537; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 17:07:26 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 17:07:26 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 17:06:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708160006.RAA22209@germany.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: Simple question about electro-magnet Resent-Message-ID: <"UrEeD1.0.vE6.xyEzp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5107 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 02:41 PM 8/15/97 -0400, you wrote: >When an electro-magnet's coil has a steady state DC current flowing in it, >and a iron bar is placed close to it so that the bar is pulled to the >electro-magnet, what happens in the coil of the electro-magnet? Does it >experience a back EMF as the bar is moving to the pole of the electro-magnet Yes, and the back EMF changes the current flowing through the electromagnet. You can watch the changes on an Ammeter as you move the iron bar to and from the electromagnet as the back EMF adds and opposes the applied DC. -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 15 17:13:34 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id RAA26288; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 17:13:06 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 17:13:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33F4EE6B.34FA@ctv.es> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 02:03:55 +0200 From: Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga Reply-To: vramos@ctv.es X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Barkhausen Battery ? Scalar waves FAQ ? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"f2qwD2.0.bQ6.E2Fzp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5108 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi all, I'm very confussed with this experiment. First. What is the signal "collected" in the collector coil? Not are scalar waves. Scalar waves can't be measured with conventional equipment. I think first must be build the receiver, then the transmitter, and last, made a test through a Faraday case. Is very interesting know if the receiver can detect RF signals. In that case, if have a great gain, can dectect the oscillations of the transmitter oscillator. Vicente. -- Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga E-mail: vramos@ctv.es Home Page: http://www.ctv.es/USERS/vramos/home.htm Burriana (Castellon) SPAIN From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 15 17:43:21 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id RAA00702; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 17:42:37 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 17:42:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33F52044.6E34@tiac.net> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 20:36:36 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Reply-To: bshannon@tiac.net Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: SMOT Mk2 Beta 4 "Rollaway" verification References: <33F3F66E.57EAD412@microtronics.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"k6L281.0.hA.sTFzp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5109 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Greg Watson wrote: > > HI All, > > I have put up info on the SMOT Mk2 Beta 4 OverUnity "Rollaway" > verification process. Its on my SMOT page. > > PLEASE review and COMMENT. > > I want this OverUnity verification to be SOILD and accepted by ALL. A simple question, but not a suggestion: Lets assume we had a way o inject exactly equal ammounts of kenetic energy on each trial. ( "Ooh, you pushed it harder that time!!", "No I didn't!", "Did to, I saw you..." "Oh, you dirty liar", [insert fovorite Monty Python sketch], and so on.) So, we push the ball on the test track, 5mm. Cool, we try the other direction, 5mm, ok, we try several spots along the test track and all that, everything is fine, 5mm either way. Maybe we even test the ramp, sans magnets, at the exit rollaway area, and again we always get 5 mm, no bias. Excellent, level playing field!! We start the ball moving, knowing just how hard we pushed (kinda important, so no touchy-feely here!) and the ball rolls right up that ramp, off the end like a trained border collie, and heads for the gold in a stunning 150 mm dash. Really cool, no question, but... While the flash-bulbs are still poping, lets kick that ball once again, down track and see if we still get 5mm. What happens if we kick it uptrack with the same kenetic energy? (I know that answer is not 5 mm.) Is there a point to this, or not? What if anything might this tell us? A endless loop that stops is one thing, but I admit a "Rollaway" in quite another animal. Not knowing this animal nearly as well as a closed loop, this unknown beast might just bite. I'd like to hear the proposed judges opinions on testing protocols, maybe on this question too. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 15 17:43:36 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id RAA00760; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 17:42:45 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 17:42:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33F5181F.72E4@tiac.net> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 20:36:46 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Reply-To: bshannon@tiac.net Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Barkhausen Battery ? Scalar waves FAQ ? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Vk6SS1.0.nB.0UFzp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5110 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: ralph muha wrote: > > At 2:51 AM -0400 8/14/97, Bob Shannon wrote: > >ralph muha wrote: > >> > >> so, if you can generate scalar pulses with a bifiliar coil, can you > >> use one to detect them? why do you need a barkhausen detector? > > > >Well, if these scalar waves pass right through conductors and Faraday > >cages, why should we expect it to react to another bifilar coil? > > Because many generator/detector systems are reversable. > Eg, a loudspeaker can act as a microphone. A tank circuit > can be used (except for power level considerations) in > a receiver or a transmitter. So why should scalars be any different? When we produce the scalar from the original EM waves, we destroy the properties of EM waves that would induce currents. Also the bifilar coil lacks mutual inductance to external fields, thats how we got rid of the EM component! > >If a passing scalar waves does not induce Eddy currents in a conductor, > >it will not couple to either shielding, bifilar or conventional coils. > > > >It will however alter the phase of an electron wave, according to the > >Aharnov-Bohm effect, so it can be detected in second order effects. > > What if the 'receiving' bifiliar coil were energized with a fixed DC bias? > Would the passing scalar interfere with that in some way, and create > a measurable effect? Fantstic question Ralph!!!! Yes, we will see a very small effect. This effect is exactly what heppens in the Josephson Junction detectors described in Ray Galenas's patents, which I don't have a copy of handy to give you the numbers of at the moment. It's also how SQUID's seem to operate. It's Aharnov-Bohm effect stuff, both the electrostatic and magnetostatic versions. (Help please, anyone have those "Curl free magnetic vector...." patent numbers!) What may work a bit better, is to find a method of using the quantum noise within the device itself to deliver 'gain' to the detector. This is the design philosophy I used to develop the Barkhausen efffect detector from the "Dea/Fareto" design described by Bearden. To apply this same approach to a tank circuit, we can place the tank in question inside a good Faraday cage, and connect it to a super-regenerative oscillator. >From this point on, it performs just like a super-regenerative radio receiver, but we only detect minute changes in the (on frequency) energy in the tank, well shielded from EM effects. You could also develop an RF " ballenced bridge" type circuit, but I have not explored this approach as yet. Either way, we need a large response to a fairly small effect, while rejecting all practical EM energy. > Are you certain that the coil is necessary to generate the scalar pulse? I am certian that it is NOT necessary. Just as EM waves have E and B fields, it seems that scalars come in 'flavors', Bearden describes "Natural" and "Artificial" scalar potentials (chaotic and deterministic substructures) and also implies a difference between scalar potentials, fields and waves. > What if it is the capacitive discharge itself that is responsible for the > signal that you are detecting? Capactive discharges in themselves are EM events, with electrostatic, and magnetic components. But more directly, different types of "translators" (Bifilar, trifilar, caduceus, paired phased transmission lines, etc.) are observed to have a very significant effect on detection ranges and levels. What is odd here, is that different detector designs each seem to prefer some specific detector geometeries over others. One of the geometeries that has the broadest appeal is the good old bifilar coil. Oh yes, for a given bifilar coil winding, it seems that adding ferrite has a larger effect on scalar production than on net inductance. This suggests that the detectors response is not due to the capacitors discharge alone. But by all means, test it yourself. Wind a pair of Bifilar coils on a ferrite rod, grab an oscilloscope and a signal generator and poke the thing to see what happens. You can also see the effects of rise time vs. input energy, lots of stuff. Just keep the energy down in the milliwatts for this testing, higher energy is for single-shot pulse mode, just for safety. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 15 17:44:43 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id RAA09132; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 17:44:15 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 17:44:15 -0700 From: openway@nor.com.au Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 10:44:06 +1000 Message-Id: <199708160044.KAA13296@nornet.nor.com.au> X-Sender: openway@pophost.nor.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: loosing your marbles Resent-Message-ID: <"1phFf3.0.bE2.UVFzp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5111 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >Standard disclaimer: if these scalar waves are real, then we need to be >very careful about their reported biological effects. Experimenters >must assume all risks of their work in this area! > >It's a lot more fun than chasing rolling balls in my opinion, but its a >heck of a lot more dangerous too. > >Bob Shannon Did you just have a visit from an insurance salesman? This is the second time unspecified "dangers" of scalars have been mentioned. As with any other modality, their biobehavioural effects are related to frequency, waveform and configuration of the emitter. People used to think bathing was bad for your health. If anyone does have record of negative effects, I would be interested in knowing the above parameters. Definitely avoid random pulses. As to where the energy comes from, there is no shortage of that. Ask your local neutron. >I shall try to generate schematics for the super-regenerative detector >over this weekend. > Let's stick with these scalar threads folks. Almost every other discussion of FE devices has been on the level of energy conversion, not gain. Peter Nielsen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 15 17:44:45 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id RAA09157; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 17:44:20 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 17:44:20 -0700 From: openway@nor.com.au Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 10:44:09 +1000 Message-Id: <199708160044.KAA13302@nornet.nor.com.au> X-Sender: openway@pophost.nor.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: unifying FE effects Resent-Message-ID: <"Xblmq2.0.vE2.YVFzp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5112 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Fellow travellers, I have been waiting until the right time to unleash my theory of unified energy. Fortunately I waited, and have just read a recent book by an Australian, named Ted Roach, which does it better ... and, very briefly, it goes like this. Gravitational, electrical and magnetic are all _dimensional_ extrapolations of time flow, being one, two and three dimensional aspects respectively. The directional flow of time derives from the gradient of its local field, as emitted by atoms (mass), which, for example, in a sphere, is typically greater at the center, and opposite (centrifugal) for a spinning disk. The FE implication of this is that if you use "destructive" interferrence (such as in bifiliar coils) to strip electrical and magnetic fields of their characteristic vectors, you are left with a pure gravitational or motional time force, which may be equated to a scalar potential. Being independent of space, this potential is not subject to the laws of energy conservation. Accordingly, if you interfere two scalars, you wind up with "free" electrons. On this note, readers may remember the recent thread on a gravity shielding/inverting material using Bismuth, ES fields and positron emission. Alot of other natural phenomena, and energy conversion devices previously discussed on this list, such as Faraday and Tolman disks, time delay switching, Brown disks, atmospheric gradients, etc. also appear to be explained. Perhpas we can more productively revisit some in this light. Readers please comment on the above. I can pass your feedback on to the above author for a possible response. Peter Nielsen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 15 17:46:47 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id RAA01241; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 17:45:30 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 17:45:30 -0700 (PDT) From: openway@nor.com.au Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 10:44:04 +1000 Message-Id: <199708160044.KAA13293@nornet.nor.com.au> X-Sender: openway@pophost.nor.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Re : Re: A Scalar Wave generator, The TEP V2.1 Resent-Message-ID: <"nVSS71.0.IJ.cWFzp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5113 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >Maybe rather than trying to describe the interaction of non-inductive >coils from a parametric approach, we ought to try to understand >parametric phenomena from a scalar EM approach? This might be a more >direct path. > As we say down under "spot on". Vector cancellation is the key. Peter Nielsen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 15 17:51:08 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id RAA10714; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 17:48:43 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 17:48:43 -0700 Message-ID: <33F521EF.583A@tiac.net> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 20:43:43 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Reply-To: bshannon@tiac.net Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vramos@ctv.es CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Barkhausen Battery ? Scalar waves FAQ ? References: <33F4EE6B.34FA@ctv.es> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"fxX8b3.0.Fd2.gZFzp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5114 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga wrote: > > Hi all, > I'm very confussed with this experiment. > First. What is the signal "collected" in the collector coil? Which experiment? Are you refering to Jean-Louis's device? > Not are scalar waves. Scalar waves can't be measured with conventional > equipment. True, unless we have the superposition (summing) of two scalars, yeilding an EM vector which couples to a conventional coil! > I think first must be build the receiver, then the transmitter, and > last, made a test through a Faraday case. This is the aproach I have used. > Is very interesting know if the receiver can detect RF signals. In that > case, if have a great gain, can dectect the oscillations of the > transmitter oscillator. If we have a conventional, EM coil outside the Faraday cage of the detector, and we cannot detect a EM signal, but we do detect a scalar inside the Faraday cage, then we have VERY strong evidence indeed!! And this can be easily done by a well equipped experimenter. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 15 17:55:23 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id RAA03619; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 17:54:43 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 17:54:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33F5231F.4EB3@tiac.net> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 20:48:47 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Reply-To: bshannon@tiac.net Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: unifying FE effects References: <199708160044.KAA13302@nornet.nor.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"pY-VL.0.Ru.FfFzp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5115 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: openway@nor.com.au wrote: > and, very briefly, it > goes like this. > > Gravitational, electrical and magnetic are all _dimensional_ extrapolations > of time flow, being one, two and three dimensional aspects respectively. The > directional flow of time derives from the gradient of its local field, as > emitted by atoms (mass), which, for example, in a sphere, is typically > greater at the center, and opposite (centrifugal) for a spinning disk. > > The FE implication of this is that if you use "destructive" interferrence > (such as in bifiliar coils) to strip electrical and magnetic fields of their > characteristic vectors, you are left with a pure gravitational or motional > time force, which may be equated to a scalar potential. Being independent of > space, this potential is not subject to the laws of energy conservation. > Accordingly, if you interfere two scalars, you wind up with "free" electrons. I can buy this, it seems to fit some emperical data. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 15 17:59:40 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id RAA13748 for bilb@eskimo.com; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 17:59:39 -0700 Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 17:59:39 -0700 X-Envelope-From: die_spammer@internetwis.com Fri Aug 15 17:59:37 1997 Received: from mail.internetwis.com (cts1.internetwis.com [206.230.215.5]) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA13729 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 17:59:36 -0700 Received: from [206.230.215.75] by mail.internetwis.com (SMTPD32-3.04) id AB909FA00B0; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 20:00:00 -0500 Message-ID: <33F4FA9C.4552@internetwis.com> Old-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 19:55:56 -0500 From: "Michael W. Moran" Reply-To: die_spammer@internetwis.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: unifying FE effects References: <199708160044.KAA13302@nornet.nor.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Diagnostic: Not on the accept list X-Envelope-To: freenrg-l Status: O X-Status: openway@nor.com.au wrote: > > Fellow travellers, > > I have been waiting until the right time to unleash my theory of unified > energy. Fortunately I waited, and have just read a recent book by an > Australian, named Ted Roach, which does it better ... and, very briefly, it > goes like this. > > Gravitational, electrical and magnetic are all _dimensional_ extrapolations > of time flow, being one, two and three dimensional aspects respectively. The > directional flow of time derives from the gradient of its local field, as > emitted by atoms (mass), which, for example, in a sphere, is typically > greater at the center, and opposite (centrifugal) for a spinning disk. > > The FE implication of this is that if you use "destructive" interferrence > (such as in bifiliar coils) to strip electrical and magnetic fields of their > characteristic vectors, you are left with a pure gravitational or motional > time force, which may be equated to a scalar potential. Being independent of > space, this potential is not subject to the laws of energy conservation. > Accordingly, if you interfere two scalars, you wind up with "free" electrons. > > On this note, readers may remember the recent thread on a gravity > shielding/inverting material using Bismuth, ES fields and positron emission. > Alot of other natural phenomena, and energy conversion devices previously > discussed on this list, such as Faraday and Tolman disks, time delay > switching, Brown disks, atmospheric gradients, etc. also appear to be > explained. Perhpas we can more productively revisit some in this light. > > Readers please comment on the above. I can pass your feedback on to the > above author for a possible response. > > Peter Nielsen Peter: Can you post information on obtaining this book? -- REPLY TO: mmoran@internetwis.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 15 18:01:39 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id SAA05578; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 18:01:14 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 18:01:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33F524A6.345C@tiac.net> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 20:55:18 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Reply-To: bshannon@tiac.net Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: loosing your marbles References: <199708160044.KAA13296@nornet.nor.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"F2qvn.0.3N1.MlFzp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5116 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: openway@nor.com.au wrote: > Did you just have a visit from an insurance salesman? This is the second > time unspecified "dangers" of scalars have been mentioned. As with any other > modality, their biobehavioural effects are related to frequency, waveform > and configuration of the emitter. > > People used to think bathing was bad for your health. If anyone does have > record of negative effects, I would be interested in knowing the above > parameters. Definitely avoid random pulses. As to where the energy comes > from, there is no shortage of that. Ask your local neutron. There is a great deal of literature on the biological effects of scalar fields and waves. Personally, I know its essentially accurate. People have had problems. > >I shall try to generate schematics for the super-regenerative detector > >over this weekend. > > > > Let's stick with these scalar threads folks. Almost every other discussion > of FE devices has been on the level of energy conversion, not gain. > > Peter Nielsen I'm on it, I'll fire up Protel and start click'en away into the wee hours. Err, who can scan the schemtics into a forw people can read? I'll lick stamps if I gotta, but maybe this computer thing can save me from all those icky tasting stamps I'd be real happy. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 15 18:26:49 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id SAA08294; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 18:26:22 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 18:26:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Date: Sat, 16 Aug 97 13:23 NZST X-Sender: srae@shoppe.mlb.planet.gen.nz Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: srae@mlb.planet.gen.nz (Stuart Rae) Subject: Re:Scalar waves & the Time Pump. X-Mailer: Resent-Message-ID: <"ECKdi1.0.U12.w6Gzp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5117 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Bob and All, >Here are a few suggestions for interested TEP experimenters: snip Thanks for those very practical ideas. >if these scalar waves are real, then we need to be >very careful about their reported biological effects. Experimenters >must assume all risks of their work in this area! > >It's a lot more fun than chasing rolling balls in my opinion, but its a >heck of a lot more dangerous too. snip Bob, I've heard of these dangers before. Have any of these "biological effects" been measured or documented, or is it just a matter of general caution. On the other hand, is it that like conventional EM, they can become a danger at high intensities, but the effects are less frequently recognized. Therefore, what sort of protective measures would you take in experiments where high intensity scalars may be generated - apart from keeping out of any obvious "line of fire"? Also, do you think that toroid bifilars might present a slightly different case, with potentially less danger? If you could elaborate a little more on any of this, I'd be most interested. Regards, Stuart From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 15 19:02:07 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id TAA12537; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 19:01:41 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 19:01:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33F532D1.6BE3@tiac.net> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 21:55:45 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Reply-To: bshannon@tiac.net Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Scalar waves & the Time Pump. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"QxDKr2.0.l33.1eGzp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5118 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Stuart Rae wrote: > >It's a lot more fun than chasing rolling balls in my opinion, but its a > >heck of a lot more dangerous too. > > snip > > Bob, I've heard of these dangers before. Have any of these "biological > effects" been measured or documented, or is it just a matter of general > caution. On the other hand, is it that like conventional EM, they can become > a danger at high intensities, but the effects are less frequently recognized. Ok, this gets thick real fast, but... Beck, Bearden and others have written about scalar exposure, and there is still a lot of data that suggests that low intensity, low freq. EM can and does present a real danger. This question is still up in the air. Biology and I don't get along well at all, so I'm going to defer to someone who actually knows something about the subject. I do know that very small scalar signals can and will produce effects, sometimes profound ones. > Therefore, what sort of protective measures would you take in experiments > where high intensity scalars may be generated - apart from keeping out of > any obvious "line of fire"? Scalars seem to have odd modes of 'propogation' from the EM perspective, so being out of the "line of fire" may not be simple. > Also, do you think that toroid bifilars might present a slightly different > case, with potentially less danger? Unknown. Not a clue, sorry. > If you could elaborate a little more on any of this, I'd be most interested. I've seen clear biological effects, I've demonstrated one or two of these to a Doctor, and he has not given me any special insights, so I just have to say that I've read of these effects, and I beleive that this is a very real concern indeed. Sorry I can't be of more help here. The standard thinking is to limit exposure as much as practical. You dont need huge energies for these effects, so dont use them. Its cheaper and easier at lower power anyway. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 15 20:02:36 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id UAA30567; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 20:00:29 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 20:00:29 -0700 Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 22:56:46 -0400 (EDT) From: John Schnurer To: Bob Shannon cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, John Schnurer Subject: ** USE ACCURATE TESTS*** Same voltage used on two coil Jack De Mule In-Reply-To: <33F4886D.51B0@tiac.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"oWo9t3.0.WT7.BVHzp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5119 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: An accurate test should be used. The does not necessarily require a lot of cost.... but it DOES require careful thought. Hey Jack! How would you measure DC resistance of low resistance coil of VERY short time periods...??? On Fri, 15 Aug 1997, Bob Shannon wrote: > HLafonte@aol.com wrote: > > > > John, > > The test consisted of two coils, one with 80 pounds # 10 GA. wire, the other > > with 5 pounds # 10 GA. wire. > > The center of the spool was knocked out with a hammer so a magnet on the end > > of a dial arm could be put in the near center of the coil. > > As the circuit to the coil was closed with 18 VDC applied, the dial would > > move to a point on the scale of about 3 and an amp meter read about 3 amps or > > so. This was on the 5 pound coil. > > Have you ever measured the true voltage delivered by two series > connected nine > volt batteries while they deliver 3 amps? > > > As the same voltage source was applied to the large coil, the meter would > > read 2 amps and the force gauge would read about 7 or 9. > > Was the voltage really the same at a MUCH lower current demand? > > > The point was that the large coil used less amps, but did more work, during > > the same or shorter time period. This was due to the magnetic field coming > > from the mass of wire not the current is how Joe puts it I believe. > > I disagree. Please check the achives on this. Use a regulated power > supply, and see if this effect is real or not. > > > There is a video tape of the demo. as to it still being available still, you > > would have to ask Evan Soule. He is on the list. > > Hope this helped, > > Butch > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 15 20:07:58 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id UAA31522; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 20:06:20 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 20:06:20 -0700 Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 23:02:37 -0400 (EDT) From: John Schnurer To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com cc: John Schnurer Subject: Which organics???Re: Thoughts on flux-switching In-Reply-To: <199708120739.AAA28240@mail1.halcyon.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"OOgna1.0.Qi7.faHzp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5120 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Which organics have -2000 diamagnetic constant? J From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 15 20:39:09 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id UAA23053; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 20:37:46 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 20:37:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <33F52044.6E34@tiac.net> References: <33F3F66E.57EAD412@microtronics.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 17:34:27 -1000 To: From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: SMOT Mk2 Beta 4 "Rollaway" verification Resent-Message-ID: <"gNkZZ.0.6e5.82Izp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5121 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Bob - > Is there a point to this, or not? I doubt it. If you hold the ball in the field at the start and let go of it, you're putting less energy into it than if it was allowed to start rolling from further back from the start of the up-ramp. As long as the ball is released on the level section, there's no energy gain in letting it go from closer in. In fact, it's the opposite; you handicap yourself a bit by doing that. IOW, nudges aren't even needed, and 'gate' starts are just as, if not more, valid than a nudge start. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 15 21:52:07 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id VAA01822; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 21:46:52 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 21:46:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33F53E6A.4E23@sunherald.infi.net> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 22:45:14 -0700 From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" Reply-To: stk@sunherald.infi.net Organization: Good question! X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Gravity and magnetism Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"dN0YQ2.0.JS.q2Jzp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5122 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Greetings: A bit of proof that physics fails when explaining magnetics: Consider the neutron star. A ball of neutrons more massive than the sun, yet only 20 mile in diameter. Its made entierly of neutrons because the protons and electorns have fused. It is electrically NEUTRAL. It rotates several time a second. The weird thing? It has a MAGNETIC field! Most scientists ignore the implications involved in explaining: How the heck does an electrically Neutral object have a magnetic field!? My hypothesis is that it is caused by one of the following: (and this REALLY gives us weight!) 1. Rotation speed 2. Super gravity makes magnetic fields (and vice versa) 3. Super density 4. Something we have yet to explain (transdimension, hyperspace, monopoles, etc.) Any thoughts? Kyle Mcallister From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 15 21:56:21 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id VAA01876; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 21:47:06 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 21:47:06 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 21:45:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708160445.VAA07953@germany.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: mrandall@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Michael Randall Subject: Re: A Scalar Wave generator, The TEP V2.1 Resent-Message-ID: <"mH2LS1.0.AT.43Jzp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5123 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 07:33 PM 8/14/97 PDT, you wrote: >Hi Ralph! > >I guess the message from Mr. Stiffler and his group was just posted on >vortex-l. I assumed it was on both... >When I get home (in two days) if it has not already been forwarded to >freenrg-l I will do so. > > >I will be interested in seeing the BiPEG design when it appears on a >website. > >Fred > Hi Fred, Jean-Louis posted the message on his web site. http://members.aol.com/overunity4/html/scalwidx.htm Michael From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 15 22:26:39 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id WAA05816; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 22:26:22 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 22:26:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708160518.WAA11466@claim.goldrush.com> From: "Wes Crosiar" To: Subject: Fw: magnetic force Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 22:29:44 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"AoSPt1.0.jQ1.ydJzp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5124 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > Is there anyone who can email me some calculations for magnetic force? > It would seem that an electromagnet will achieve maximum force based on > core material, length, diameter, resistance, voltage, impedence, > inductance, resonance, wire size, number of turns and probably other > factors. > In other words there should be a point where an electromagnet reaches > maximum magnetic force at a given fixed volatge at which point that if you > were to add more windings you will achieve less force because of added > resistance, but if you were to take windings off of the same electormagnet > you will have less force because you will have less turns. If voltage is > raised this maximum magnetic force point should be changed. > I am trying to calculate this magic point for magnetic force to put into a > spreadsheet so that it would be a simple thing to build a motor with > maximum efficiency at any given voltage, resistance, wire size, number or > turns impedence, etc. > thanks wes > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 15 22:28:48 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id WAA06335; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 22:28:16 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 22:28:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33F539BD.479FA15@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 01:25:17 -0400 From: Dave DeLeo Reply-To: ddeleo@ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freenrg-l@eskimo.com" Subject: power measurments X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"4O_HC1.0.tY1.jfJzp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5125 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Is there a simple way to measure the power consumption of a circuit, such as a capacitor being step charged to a final voltage, accurately over a short period of time. If anyone could come up with something simple I'd appreciate it as I want to do some tests on one of Beardon's theories using step charged capacitors. I have two articles from the American Journal of Physics that Beardon had referenced in his paper but they use a system with a resistor in series between the voltage source and the capacitor and measure the power transfer as a function of heat generated in the resistor via a thermocouple. This approach seems to be a little complicated. If anyone could think of a simpler more direct measurement please let me know. Thanks Dave DeLeo ddeleo@ix.netcom.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 15 23:03:47 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id XAA09369; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 23:02:58 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 23:02:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 00:59:29 -0500 (CDT) From: Zack Widup Subject: Re: loosing your marbles To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: <199708160044.KAA13296@nornet.nor.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"tHuNm1.0.II2.GAKzp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5126 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Sat, 16 Aug 1997 openway@nor.com.au wrote: > >Standard disclaimer: if these scalar waves are real, then we need to be > >very careful about their reported biological effects. Experimenters > >must assume all risks of their work in this area! > > > >It's a lot more fun than chasing rolling balls in my opinion, but its a > >heck of a lot more dangerous too. > > > >Bob Shannon > > Did you just have a visit from an insurance salesman? This is the second > time unspecified "dangers" of scalars have been mentioned. As with any other > modality, their biobehavioural effects are related to frequency, waveform > and configuration of the emitter. > > People used to think bathing was bad for your health. If anyone does have > record of negative effects, I would be interested in knowing the above > parameters. Definitely avoid random pulses. As to where the energy comes > from, there is no shortage of that. Ask your local neutron. > > >I shall try to generate schematics for the super-regenerative detector > >over this weekend. > > > > Let's stick with these scalar threads folks. Almost every other discussion > of FE devices has been on the level of energy conversion, not gain. > > Peter Nielsen > I got the idea from "Cancer and the Unresolved Health Issues in the Biological Effects of EM Fields and Radiation" by Thomas E. Bearden that there could be frequencies (or combinations of frequencies) of scalar waves which enhance life organisms, and combinations which harm them. Although I haven't tested this, I suspect Tesla's diathermy machine is rich in scalar wave production. The work of Antoine Priore indicates that some uses of scalars could actually "cure" diseases such as cancer. Bearden's theory of what causes cancer and what was happening with the Priore device is fascinating. Just a thought: Scalar fields of great enough intensity (such as in Tesla's Colorado Springs research and the gravity field coil) may produce a cohering effect on the zero-point energy which can be tapped to get over-unity output. This also fits in with Ilya Prigogine's non-equilibrium self-organization phenomena. Zack From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 15 23:04:33 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id XAA22898; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 23:03:50 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 23:03:50 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970816020000.006c2f08@world.std.com> X-Sender: mica@world.std.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 02:00:00 +0000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Mitchell Swartz Subject: Re: Fw: magnetic force In-Reply-To: <199708160518.WAA11466@claim.goldrush.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"sc7PQ2.0.gb5.4BKzp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5127 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: The magnetic force can be obtained two ways. First, by a volume integral of the magnetic force, itself obtained from the spatial gradient of the coenergy. f = - d/dx (1/2 mu H*H) Second, from the surface integral using the the Maxwell Stress Tensor. Tij = Hi Hj - delta(ij) Hk * Hk They are equivalent. You might try "Continuum Electrodynamics" by J. Melcher, MIT Press for detailed info. It will be more complicated because mu may be inhomogeneous. Hope that helps. Mitchell Swartz (mica@world.std.com) At 10:29 PM 8/15/97 -0700, Wes wrote: > > >> Is there anyone who can email me some calculations for magnetic force? >> It would seem that an electromagnet will achieve maximum force based on >> core material, length, diameter, resistance, voltage, impedence, >> inductance, resonance, wire size, number of turns and probably other >> factors. >> In other words there should be a point where an electromagnet reaches >> maximum magnetic force at a given fixed volatge at which point that if >you >> were to add more windings you will achieve less force because of added >> resistance, but if you were to take windings off of the same >electormagnet >> you will have less force because you will have less turns. If voltage is >> raised this maximum magnetic force point should be changed. >> I am trying to calculate this magic point for magnetic force to put into >a >> spreadsheet so that it would be a simple thing to build a motor with >> maximum efficiency at any given voltage, resistance, wire size, number or >> turns impedence, etc. >> thanks wes >> > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 15 23:05:53 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id XAA23186; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 23:05:38 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 23:05:38 -0700 Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 23:05:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708160605.XAA20702@germany.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: mrandall@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Michael Randall Subject: Re: Re : Re: A Scalar Wave generator, The TEP V2.1 Cc: vortex-l@eskimo.com Resent-Message-ID: <"baKBH2.0.-f5.lCKzp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5128 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Jean-Louis Naudin wrote: >Hi Hamdi, > >Good new, I am glad that the TEP device is easy to build and that the waves >that I have measured are reproducible. > >On 15/08/1997 15:27:44 , Hamdi Ucar wrote : ><< Suj : Re: A Scalar Wave generator, The TEP V2.1 > Date : 15/08/1997 15:27:44 > From: hamdix@verisoft.com.tr (Hamdi Ucar) > Hi Jean-Louis, > > I tried it (with significantly different configuration) and see such as > waveform on the scope. >[snip] Hi Jean-Louis, Thanks for sharing your research and congradulations for discovering such a simple circuit. I look forward to your testing of the scalar waves and energy collection experiments. While I'm waiting for my SMOT kit I thought of building your circuit and have the following questions: 1) The photo "A Non-Linear oscillator (U d-b/c)", at what points on your circuit are the oscillator probes to obtain this photo? What does U d-b/c mean? 2) What is the purpose of the Collector coil? To convert/translate the bifilar scalar pulse back to a usable form to power a load? 3) Is the L3 wound in the same direction as the L1 & L2? Did you read Joel McClain's paper in Int'l Tesla Society magazine Extraordinary Science Jan/Mar 1996, titled Energy Geometry and the MRA? It had a good description on the generation and conversion of scalar waves. Best Regards, Michael Randall From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 15 23:38:44 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id XAA13041; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 23:38:22 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 23:38:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 18:34:22 +1000 Message-Id: <199708160834.SAA12947@main.murray.net.au> X-Sender: egel@main.murray.net.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Geoff Egel Subject: Re: File formats Resent-Message-ID: <"ILaaV1.0.gB3.ShKzp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5129 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 12:52 PM 8/15/97 -0400, you wrote: >Stefan, >I am trying to convert my cad drawings to a format to attach to e-mail I send >out. The formats that my cad program will convert to are, DXF, HPGL, EPS, XYZ >. Do you know if I can use any of these to send over the web with e-mail. If >not what would be the best format for the web as an attachment to e-mail? I >have got to get my drawings out to people on the list some how! Do I need to >have them put on a scaner, if so, to what format? HELP! >Butch LaFonte > > >I have done some as per my web pages If you do a drawing or design and you want it as a gif do the following After completing the drawing, press the print screen bottom and then go to an art package that handles bmp format and then do a paste command and a drawing will appear in the package you can then save it in any picture format you package Handles A gif or Jpeg can be sent as an attached file in your email Program Assuming you are using windows 3.11 maybe it works with win 95 also Geoff Egel http://www2.murray.net.au/users/egel http://geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135 http://members.tripod.com/~geoffegel From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 15 23:46:45 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id XAA27562; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 23:45:51 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 23:45:51 -0700 Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 18:42:54 +1000 Message-Id: <199708160842.SAA12991@main.murray.net.au> X-Sender: egel@main.murray.net.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Geoff Egel Subject: Re: Purchasing a wimhurst Generator in Australia Resent-Message-ID: <"8n-x91.0.Zk6.UoKzp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5130 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 08:36 PM 8/15/97 -0700, you wrote: >Is there someone on this newsgroup knows of a supplier who sells Wimhurst Machines in Australia I know Edmund Scientific in the USA does but would like to purchase one or obtain one from a local supplier to continue my research. Geoff Egel > >http://www2.murray.net.au/users/egel http://geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135 http://members.tripod.com/~geoffegel From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 16 00:06:51 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id AAA14706; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 00:06:37 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 00:06:37 -0700 (PDT) From: JNaudin509@aol.com Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 03:04:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970816030452_-1571516886@emout05.mail.aol.com> To: bshannon@tiac.net, freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re : Re: Barkhausen Battery ? Scalar waves FAQ ? Resent-Message-ID: <"cPpVt2.0.gb3.w5Lzp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5131 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On 16/08/1997 02:46:22 , Bob wrote : << (Help please, anyone have those "Curl free magnetic vector...." patent numbers!) >> Hi Bob, You will find a list of patents about Vector Potential ( Scalar field ) Receiving and Transmitting devices : INVENTORS:Gelinas; Raymond C., Concord, MA ASSIGNEES:Honeywell Inc., Minneapolis, ABSTRACT: A system for determining the modulation imposed on a curl-free magnetic vector potential field. The system includes apparatus for detecting the curl-free magnetic vector potential field component by means of a Josephson junction. The magnetic vector potential field interacts with the Josephson junction by varying the phase of the argument of the sine function which determines the Josephson junction current. The output signals of the Josephson junction are coupled to apparatus that can determine the modulation of the detected field. Because the magnitude of the change in the detected curl-free vector potential field causes a proportional change in the phase of the Josephson junction current, the modulation of the field can be established. 4,429,280 : 31 Jan 84, Appatus and Method for Demodulation of Modulated Curl-Free Magnetic Vector Potential. 4,429,288 : 31 Jan 1984, Apparatus and Method for modulation of a Curl-Free Magnetic Vector Potential Field. 4,232,098 : 14 Feb 1984, Apparatus and Method for transfer of Information by means of a Curl-Free Magnetic Vector Potential Field. 4,447,779 : 8 May 1984, Apparatus and Method for Determination of a Receiving device utilizing a Curl-Free Magnetic Vector Potential Field. 4,605,897, 12 Aug 1986, Apparatus and method for distance determination between receiving device and transmitting device utilizing a Curl-Free Magnetic Vector Potential Field. 4,491,795, 1 Jan 1985, Josephson Junction Interferometer Device for detection of Curl-Free Magnetic Vector Potential field. I hope that these informations will interest you, Sincerely, Jean-Louis Naudin ( France / GMT+2 ) Email : JNaudin509@aol.com my Overunity WEB Server : http://members.aol.com/JNaudin509/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 16 01:55:20 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id BAA06759; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 01:54:57 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 01:54:57 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970816025106.0069d1b8@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 02:51:06 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: Re: ** USE ACCURATE TESTS*** Same voltage used on two coil Jack De Mule In-Reply-To: References: <33F4886D.51B0@tiac.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"x_WIc.0.Rf1.WhMzp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5132 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi All, At 22:56 8/15/97 -0400, John Schnurer wrote: > How would you measure DC resistance of low resistance coil of >VERY short time periods...??? Do you mean measure within a short period of time, or that L/R is short time constant? I'll assume the former. How short a time, what is the range of expected resistance, and of the inductance? Give me something to work with! :) Off hand though.... You could measure the phase angle between the applied voltage and the current. Cos of the phase angle= (R)/SQRT(R^2+(XL-XC)^2) But you also want to perform this measurement cheaply, hmm... Several other methods occurred to me, but each has some drawback. Not accounting for parasitic capacitance, or needing to accurately know the reactance value first. It's the time constraint thing, measuring resistance is easy, but when you try to do so quickly, the reactances often get in the way. Heck, I dunno John. What snazzy way did you think of? Now I'm curious! If I were comparing two electromagnets I'd use a constant current source...and while I had the current source hooked up, I'd measure the voltage across the device's terminals. Then I'd know it's resistance from R=E/I. Accurate, and cheap...but not fast. Best Regards, JD ------------------------------------------------------------ "Don't panic! ...I'm not from the government, and I wouldn't lift a tentacle to help you." -Bug Eyed Monster E-mail to: mules@palacenet.net ------------------------------------------------------------ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 16 06:28:35 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id GAA05807; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 06:27:45 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 06:27:45 -0700 (PDT) From: bpaddock@csonline.net (Bob Paddock) To: ddeleo@ix.netcom.com Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: power measurments Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 09:16:27 -0400 Organization: is mostly via piles Reply-To: bpaddock@csonline.net Message-ID: References: <33F539BD.479FA15@ix.netcom.com> In-Reply-To: <33F539BD.479FA15@ix.netcom.com> Lines: 20 Resent-Message-ID: <"TLNGr3.0.bQ1.ChQzp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5133 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >American Journal of Physics that Beardon had referenced in his paper but >they use a system with a resistor in series between the voltage source >and the capacitor and measure the power transfer as a function of heat >generated in the resistor via a thermocouple. This approach seems to be >a little complicated. If anyone could think of a simpler more direct >measurement please let me know. It is the most accurate and removes issues of Power Factor errors and such. Linear Technology has a IC that impalements this function, I think it is the LT1018. I've wanted to build up a few of these as kits but have not found the time and $ yet. -- For information on any of the following check out my WEB site at: http://www.usachoice.net/bpaddock Chemical Free Air Conditioning/No CFC's, Chronic Pain Relief, Electromedicine, Electronics, Explore!, Free Energy, Full Disclosure, KeelyNet, Matric Limited, Neurophone, Oil City PA, Philadelphia Experiment. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 16 07:34:35 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id HAA08248; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 07:34:00 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 07:34:00 -0700 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 07:28:58 -0700 Subject: Re: Dragone magnet energy paper fixed Message-ID: <19970816.072938.11990.2.tv@juno.com> References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-6,9-16,18-61 From: tv@juno.com (Tim D Vaughan) Resent-Message-ID: <"TwID2.0.k02.NfRzp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5134 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Pete, Worked for me this morning. Try again. The URL is: http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/4810/dragone1.html Use the back arrow button on your browser to back out of each of the GIF of each page of the fax I was sent. You have to click on each page listed. Sorry for the clumsy layout. I put it up in a hurry. Tim On Thu, 14 Aug 1997 20:43:41 -0400 (EDT) Peter Jason Aldo writes: >Tim, >I tried to get the Dragone paper but geocities said it doesn't exist >anymore. Please help. > >Pete Aldo > >On Tue, 12 Aug 1997, Tim D Vaughan wrote: > >> Oops I goofed, I posted a rough draft of a paper written by the >> physicist Leon Dragone which he was not able to finish before he >died of >> a heart failure. >> Sorry I left off some of the pages somehow and then was away for a >few >> days >> so I didn't get it fixed until now. Sorry about that ! >> >> I took the suggestion of J. Naudin and converted the last four pages >> to line art which save bandwidth. The rest of the pages are black >and >> white photo images scanned from the fax pages he sent me in >> September, 1989. I can do the same for those later. >> >> While Dragone does not give any breakthroughs, he does give some >food for >> thought. >> >> It was his attempt to explain the cooling phenomena he observed with >a >> Joseph Newman (ferromagnetic core) motor he built. >> >> You can find it at: >> http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/4810/dragone1.html >> >> ( remember the file name must be typed exactly as it appears above >> because UNIX is picky about case ) >> >> Tim Vaughan >> ( tv@juno.com ) >> >> > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 16 07:41:26 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id HAA11127; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 07:40:10 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 07:40:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 09:37:32 -0500 (CDT) From: John Fields Subject: Re: To John : Re: Same voltage used on two coil test ? To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: <970815083804_-569619977@emout10.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"FTnAQ2.0.kj2.8lRzp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5135 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Fri, 15 Aug 1997 HLafonte@aol.com wrote: > John, > The test consisted of two coils, one with 80 pounds # 10 GA. wire, the other > with 5 pounds # 10 GA. wire. > The center of the spool was knocked out with a hammer so a magnet on the end > of a dial arm could be put in the near center of the coil. > As the circuit to the coil was closed with 18 VDC applied, the dial would > move to a point on the scale of about 3 and an amp meter read about 3 amps or > so. This was on the 5 pound coil. > As the same voltage source was applied to the large coil, the meter would > read 2 amps and the force gauge would read about 7 or 9. > The point was that the large coil used less amps, but did more work, during > the same or shorter time period. This was due to the magnetic field coming > from the mass of wire not the current is how Joe puts it I believe. > There is a video tape of the demo. as to it still being available still, you > would have to ask Evan Soule. He is on the list. > Hope this helped, > Butch > ------- There seems to be something very wrong here. Ten pounds of #10 wire exhibits a resistance of 0.3178 ohms, and with 18 volts applied across the coil should result in a steady-state current of 56.6 amps. Eighty pounds of #10 wire exhibits a resistance of 2.542 ohms, and with 18 volts applied across that coil should result in a steady-state current of 7.08 amps. Am I missing something? John Fields ----------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 16 07:53:13 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id HAA11880; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 07:52:55 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 07:52:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: rmuha@mail Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <970815083804_-569619977@emout10.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 10:51:35 -0400 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: ralph muha Subject: Re: To John : Re: Same voltage used on two coil test ? Resent-Message-ID: <"7It7v2.0.Xv2.5xRzp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5136 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 10:37 AM -0400 8/16/97, John Fields wrote: > >Ten pounds of #10 wire exhibits a resistance of 0.3178 ohms, and with 18 >volts applied across the coil should result in a steady-state current of >56.6 amps. > >Eighty pounds of #10 wire exhibits a resistance of 2.542 ohms, and with >18 volts applied across that coil should result in a steady-state current >of 7.08 amps. > >Am I missing something? > no, but remember that the actual current will be limited by the internal impedance of battery, according to Thevinin's theorem... r From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 16 08:19:29 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id IAA13602; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 08:19:03 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 08:19:03 -0700 Message-ID: <33F5EDF9.13B3@tiac.net> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 11:14:17 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Reply-To: bshannon@tiac.net Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: SMOT Mk2 Beta 4 "Rollaway" verification References: <33F3F66E.57EAD412@microtronics.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Zu3Bw1.0.PK3.cJSzp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5137 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Rick Monteverde wrote: > > Bob - > > > Is there a point to this, or not? > > I doubt it. If you hold the ball in the field at the start and let go of > it, you're putting less energy into it than if it was allowed to start > rolling from further back from the start of the up-ramp. As long as the > ball is released on the level section, there's no energy gain in letting it > go from closer in. In fact, it's the opposite; you handicap yourself a bit > by doing that. IOW, nudges aren't even needed, and 'gate' starts are just > as, if not more, valid than a nudge start. Rick, this is not a strong area for me, but from some quick discussions with people that know this stuff better than I do, it seems that conventional theory says something quite different about this. First, the ball after exiting the ramp may not (will not?) move 5 mm without directional bias given the same kenetic energy, as it will be moving closer to, or further from the magnets. I asked about testing the ball after it exits the ramp, not the starting conditions. So there may be a real difference in the energy of the ball ar rest on the reference track than when it is at rest after exiting. In addition, gate starts are not the same as nudge starts at all! For a gate start, the ball is already 'pre-loaded' by the magnetic field, but in Greg's description of the nudge start, he describes a starting point outside the attraction of the ramp. You are describng something totally different. Assuming zero energy in the ball prior to gate start is a clear foul according to conventional thinking. Also, if the ball has a clear directional preference AFTER exiting the ramp, we also have a foul from conventional theory as its being explained to me. Do you agree? Judges? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 16 08:32:17 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id IAA15325; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 08:31:43 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 08:31:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33F5F0A6.7C9A@tiac.net> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 11:25:42 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Reply-To: bshannon@tiac.net Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: loosing your marbles References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"fmCL31.0.Fl3.OVSzp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5138 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Zack Widup wrote: > Just a thought: > > Scalar fields of great enough intensity (such as in Tesla's Colorado > Springs research and the gravity field coil) may produce a cohering > effect on the zero-point energy which can be tapped to get over-unity > output. This also fits in with Ilya Prigogine's non-equilibrium > self-organization phenomena. > > Zack I beleive that this is exactly correct for scalar fields of any intensity. This is important in the Barkhausen effect detectors operation, using scalar background flux as the hidden water wheel outside the EM energy square, this is also why the Barkhausen effect battery is able to deliver a tiny output with no EM inputs. The reason frequencies, or more correctly sets of frequencies have differing effects appears to be a function of the chaotic attractor that can be produced by some frequency sets, or the deterministic 'Artificial Potential' (Bearden's early term) of other, more harmonic sets of frequencies. Biology likes to order chaotic input, while Technology tends to disorder deterministic input. A sort of Yin-Yang relationship. So maybe we ought to try to reach a ballance? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 16 08:53:01 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id IAA16991; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 08:52:46 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 08:52:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33F5F598.7385@tiac.net> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 11:46:49 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Reply-To: bshannon@tiac.net Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: JNaudin509@aol.com CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Re : Re: Barkhausen Battery ? Scalar waves FAQ ? References: <970816030452_-1571516886@emout05.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Fo1rd1.0.N94.ApSzp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5139 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: JNaudin509@aol.com wrote: > > On 16/08/1997 02:46:22 , Bob wrote : > > (Help please, anyone have those "Curl free magnetic vector...." patent > numbers!) > > Hi Bob, > > You will find a list of patents about Vector Potential ( Scalar field ) > Receiving and Transmitting devices : > > INVENTORS:Gelinas; Raymond C., Concord, MA > ASSIGNEES:Honeywell Inc., Minneapolis, > > ABSTRACT: A system for determining the modulation imposed on a curl-free > magnetic vector potential field. The system includes apparatus for detecting > the curl-free magnetic vector potential field component by means of a > Josephson junction. The magnetic vector potential field interacts with the > Josephson junction by varying the phase of the argument of the sine function > which determines the Josephson junction current. The output signals of the > Josephson junction are coupled to apparatus that can determine the modulation > of the detected field. Because the magnitude of the change in the detected > curl-free vector potential field causes a proportional change in the phase of > the Josephson junction current, the modulation of the field can be > established. > > 4,429,280 : 31 Jan 84, Appatus and Method for Demodulation of Modulated > Curl-Free Magnetic Vector Potential. > > 4,429,288 : 31 Jan 1984, Apparatus and Method for modulation of a Curl-Free > Magnetic Vector Potential Field. > > 4,232,098 : 14 Feb 1984, Apparatus and Method for transfer of Information by > means of a Curl-Free Magnetic Vector Potential Field. > > 4,447,779 : 8 May 1984, Apparatus and Method for Determination of a Receiving > device utilizing a Curl-Free Magnetic Vector Potential Field. > > 4,605,897, 12 Aug 1986, Apparatus and method for distance determination > between receiving device and transmitting device utilizing a Curl-Free > Magnetic Vector Potential Field. > > 4,491,795, 1 Jan 1985, Josephson Junction Interferometer Device for detection > of Curl-Free Magnetic Vector Potential field. > > I hope that these informations will interest you, > > Sincerely, > > Jean-Louis Naudin ( France / GMT+2 ) Yes, these are the very patents! Thank you Jean-Louis! I've spoken to Ray Gelinas at lenght about these, he tells a very interesting story about the history of these patents. Honeywell held the patents due to Ray's contract, and made an agreement with a big name university to develop this technology. Ray's papers and prototypes were delivered, and nothing more was heard for quite some time. When Ray began to ask questions, Hoenywell asked questions, and it seems that the big name university denied any such agreement ever existed, nor was it the practice of the university to enter such agreements. Eventually, a small fraction of Ray's original work was returned to Honeywell I beleive. Ray Gelenas chose to drop this line of research, and had not given it any thought in years when I contacted him in relation to these patents. He was quite interested to hear of Bearden's work, and that a good number of experimenters were working in this area. I worked at that same university later on, and asked about this story. I beleive that there is some basis in fact behind this odd story. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 16 09:02:56 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id JAA18360; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 09:02:36 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 09:02:36 -0700 Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 09:02:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708161602.JAA29502@sweden.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: mrandall@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: vortex-l@eskimo.com From: Michael Randall Subject: Re: A Scalar Wave generator, The TEP V2.1 Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Resent-Message-ID: <"yAijB1.0.nU4.RySzp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5140 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hamdi Ucar wrote: >I wrote: > >> > Collector coil was not important. >> [snip] >> >Michael Randall wrote: > >> Hi Hamdi, >> >> Is the collector coil used for scalar to vector translation of the >> bifilar coil scalar wave? Otherwise how do you get back the scalar >> wave with the added energy from harmonics(1) for powering a load? How >> can we power a load in Jean-Louis or in your bifilar coil circuit? >> > >I know nothing about the nature of scalar waves. I need to read your >referenced article. Is it on the NET? I don't think its on the Net. But as a back issue of the magazine, it can be bought from the Int'l Tesla Society bookstore, Tesla@usa.net, tel.(719)475-0918. It seems that Nichola Tesla, also the inventor of the bifilar coil (Jan. 9, 1894, #512,340), worked with scalar waves or non-conventional waves. >What I am saying is the geometry and inductance range of the collector >coil was not "critical" or "important" to obtain the waveforms that >observed from my setup. Of course the circuit does not oscillate anyway >without this inductance. Ok. I was thinking scalar wave theory. Your diagram of waveforms looked like pulsed non-linear waves. Is this similar to or did you see Jean-Louis's non-linear oscillator photo in your circuit also? Did both voltage and current increase non-linearly? >I am looking to the circuit output with conventional mind until >something can not be explain with this context. I know the circuit >oscillate in highly unconventional fashion as forcing current flow from >collector circuit to base circuit by conducting the base-emitter >junction reversely and creating some odd delaying and extreme non-linear >effects. Also the bifilar coil capacitive scheme give coil a highly >complex structure far from be described as inductance or zero >inductance. For a conventional theory explanation, Fred Epps paper "The Overunity Parametric Transformer" paper is good. For scalar theory you can read about Bob Shannon's research. Both of these works on Jean-Louis's web site. http://members.aol.com/overunity4/html/scalwidx.htm Also scalar waves is being researched worldwide and there is a lot of data on this on the Net. Tom Bearden's work (famous for his scalar wave theories) is also on the Net. I don't have his address available at this moment. >As I am currently cooperating with R.R. Stiffler on OU research based on >his various designs, I accumulated lot of know-how and knowledge and >practice about such designs. As Naudin announced the circuit, I >immediately recognize it as Stiffler style but i thought as a >coincidence this resemblance. Than after communicating with Stiffler and >reading the related postings on vortex, I understand that is not a pure >coincidence. In this circumstance my situation is not allow to "freely" >discuss and share my experience on this circuit on this open forum, >because I may lead to an unfair competence with Stiffler on this also >Stiffler originated design. Even it is not Stiffler originated, its >resemblance and similar apparent working principles may cause also an >unfair usage of the know-how that I had build. Although Stiffler did not >see a problem on my open contribution to Naudin's circuit, but this is a >critical issue as I stated above. I will not totally resign from this >specific discussion, but try to contribute in a symmetrical fashion as >vortexians contribute and offers their knowledges. Thanks for sharing what you can Hamdi. >Regards, > >hamdi ucar Hi Hamdi, Can you comment on how to extract ou energy from this type of circuit? Best Regards, Michael Randall From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 16 11:06:22 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id LAA29374; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 11:05:49 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 11:05:49 -0700 (PDT) From: HLafonte@aol.com Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 14:04:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970816140400_587114996@emout17.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Very good John, let me look into that ! Resent-Message-ID: <"lfvLn1.0.sA7.wlUzp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5141 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: John, I will look at this, maybe The internal resistance of the battery ( 2 nine volt DC ) held it at 3 amps ? Thanks, Butch From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 16 11:48:42 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id LAA08440; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 11:48:13 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 11:48:13 -0700 Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 11:48:06 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: freenrg digest ok? (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"i2vXP3.0.j32.iNVzp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5142 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I see that the message below didn't appear on the archive. Did no one receive it? Yes, many list digests are still down, Eskimo is still working. .....................uuuu / oo \ uuuu........,............................. William Beaty voice:206-781-3320 bbs:206-789-0775 cserv:71241,3623 EE/Programmer/Science exhibit designer http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/ Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com SCIENCE HOBBYIST web page ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 23:38:23 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: freenrg digest ok? On Thu, 7 Aug 1997, Jim Uban wrote: > Hi Bill, > I haven't received a freenrg-list digest > since 7/21. Is it still functioning ok? I sent > in another SUBSCRIBE today, but no response to > that yet either. Thanks, Jim I just got the word, half the digests on eskimo.com are down. Staff has been searching for the bug for several days. I'll keep you posted. .....................uuuu / oo \ uuuu........,............................. William Beaty voice:206-781-3320 bbs:206-789-0775 cserv:71241,3623 EE/Programmer/Science exhibit designer http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/ Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com SCIENCE HOBBYIST web page From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 16 11:58:24 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id LAA03633 for bilb@eskimo.com; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 11:58:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 11:58:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Envelope-From: paula@southconn.com Sat Aug 16 11:58:21 1997 Received: from ..southconn.com (southconn.com [199.190.99.2]) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA03615 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 11:58:08 -0700 (PDT) X-ROUTED: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 14:53:56 -0500 X-TCP-IDENTITY: Paula Received: from s28.southconn.com [199.190.99.28] by ..southconn.com with smtp id AODFAKCP ; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 14:53:10 -0500 Message-ID: <33F620E3.558A@southconn.com> Old-Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 14:51:31 -0700 From: paula opelc Organization: sisters of silicone, inc X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Increase SMOT hole size References: <19970816.072938.11990.2.tv@juno.com> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------6B933227C2F" X-Diagnostic: Submission size exceeds 40000 bytes X-Envelope-To: freenrg-l Status: O X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------6B933227C2F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tim D Vaughan wrote: > > Hi Pete, > > Worked for me this morning. Try again. > > The URL is: > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/4810/dragone1.html > > Use the back arrow button on your browser to back out of each of the GIF > of each page of the fax I was sent. You have to click on each page > listed. > > Sorry for the clumsy layout. I put it up in a hurry. > > Tim > > On Thu, 14 Aug 1997 20:43:41 -0400 (EDT) Peter Jason Aldo > writes: > >Tim, > >I tried to get the Dragone paper but geocities said it doesn't exist > >anymore. Please help. > > > >Pete Aldo > > > >On Tue, 12 Aug 1997, Tim D Vaughan wrote: > > > >> Oops I goofed, I posted a rough draft of a paper written by the > >> physicist Leon Dragone which he was not able to finish before he > >died of > >> a heart failure. > >> Sorry I left off some of the pages somehow and then was away for a > >few > >> days > >> so I didn't get it fixed until now. Sorry about that ! > >> > >> I took the suggestion of J. Naudin and converted the last four pages > >> to line art which save bandwidth. The rest of the pages are black > >and > >> white photo images scanned from the fax pages he sent me in > >> September, 1989. I can do the same for those later. > >> > >> While Dragone does not give any breakthroughs, he does give some > >food for > >> thought. > >> > >> It was his attempt to explain the cooling phenomena he observed with > >a > >> Joseph Newman (ferromagnetic core) motor he built. > >> > >> You can find it at: > >> http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/4810/dragone1.html > >> > >> ( remember the file name must be typed exactly as it appears above > >> because UNIX is picky about case ) > >> Have been thinking about the fact that the moving SMOT ball can induce a voltage in a coil next to the ramp, have come up with a simple (?) circuit that might increase the "blue hole" size. 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AP/////S/5DDAP/////S/5DDAP/////S/5DDAP/////S/5DDAP/////S/5DDAP/////S/5DD AP/////S/5DDAP/////S/5DDAP/////S/5DDAA== --------------6B933227C2F-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 16 12:25:54 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id MAA05219; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 12:25:33 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 12:25:33 -0700 (PDT) X-ROUTED: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 15:21:02 -0500 X-TCP-IDENTITY: Paula Message-ID: <33F62730.3098@southconn.com> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 15:18:24 -0700 From: paula opelc Organization: sisters of silicone, inc X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: paula@southconn.com Subject: Increase SMOT hole size (corrected msg) References: <19970816.072938.11990.2.tv@juno.com> <33F620E3.558A@southconn.com> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------7E73A6843EF" Resent-Message-ID: <"2-tfg3.0.RH1.gwVzp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5143 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------7E73A6843EF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit steve opelc wrote: Have been thinking about the fact that the moving SMOT ball can induce a voltage in a coil next to the ramp, have come up with a simple (?) circuit that might increase the "blue hole" size. 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AP/////S/5DDAP/////S/5DDAP/////S/5DDAP/////S/5DDAP/////S/5DDAP/////S/5DD AP/////S/5DDAP/////S/5DDAP/////S/5DDAA== --------------7E73A6843EF-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 16 12:40:44 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id MAA15964; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 12:40:28 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 12:40:28 -0700 Message-ID: <33F61025.4776@sunherald.infi.net> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 13:40:05 -0700 From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" Reply-To: stk@sunherald.infi.net Organization: Good question! X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: KeelyNet BBS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"jdB0n3.0.Hv3.h8Wzp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5144 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Greetings: KeelyNet's bulletin board isn't working. Has the number changed from the one on the internet site? Kyle Mcallister From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 16 13:48:43 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id NAA25472; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 13:47:53 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 13:47:53 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970816144344.006d4fb8@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 14:43:44 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: Test electromagnets with a fixed current, not voltage. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"cuJDN3.0.uD6.u7Xzp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5145 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi All, I forgot mention in why it's useful to use a fixed current when testing electromagnets. >From Bosanquet's law (which is the magnetic equivalent to Ohms law)....phi=NI/R Phi=total number of lines of flux N=number of turns I=current through turns R=reluctance to the flow of magnetic flux NI is the force (mmf) that drives the lines of flux through R the reluctance (resistance) of the magnetic circuit. With a fixed current you've changed a variable into a constant...handy. A moderate current, of say an amp, should be sufficient to test Joe's mass of the coil theory. Why not add some series resistance to the circuit and adjust the current to a fixed value, which makes NI known, and then concentrate on R...which is really the heart of the matter. Best Regards, JD ------------------------------------------------------------ "Don't panic! ...I'm not from the government, and I wouldn't lift a tentacle to help you." -Bug Eyed Monster E-mail to: mules@palacenet.net ------------------------------------------------------------ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 16 13:55:03 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id NAA13585; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 13:54:26 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 13:54:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: rmuha@mail Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <970816030452_-1571516886@emout05.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 16:53:03 -0400 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: ralph muha Subject: Re : Re: Barkhausen Battery ? Scalar waves FAQ ? Resent-Message-ID: <"evokZ3.0.8K3._DXzp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5146 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >4,232,098 : 14 Feb 1984, Apparatus and Method for transfer of Information by >means of a Curl-Free Magnetic Vector Potential Field. the number should be 4,432,098 >4,491,795, 1 Jan 1985, Josephson Junction Interferometer Device for detection >of Curl-Free Magnetic Vector Potential field. hmmm, the patent server wouldn't show me this one (said it was not found), even tho it would show me a list of the 11 patents that reference it... (most of which were SQUID related) it must be the one that 'they' don't want us to see, huh? r From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 16 14:06:00 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id OAA14801; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 14:05:18 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 14:05:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6130E934329DCF11983300805F688B5801F89E0F@RED-35-MSG.dns.microsoft.com> From: "Chris Needy (RhoTech)" To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: RE: Re : Re: Barkhausen Battery ? Scalar waves FAQ ? Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 14:03:46 -0700 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1459.27) Resent-Message-ID: <"zUJ4Z1.0.7d3.9OXzp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5147 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: You'll find that one at a depository. These published patents are easy to get. > ---------- > From: ralph muha[SMTP:rmuha@minimal.com] > Reply To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Sent: Saturday, August 16, 1997 1:53 PM > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re : Re: Barkhausen Battery ? Scalar waves FAQ ? > > >4,232,098 : 14 Feb 1984, Apparatus and Method for transfer of > Information by > >means of a Curl-Free Magnetic Vector Potential Field. > > the number should be 4,432,098 > > >4,491,795, 1 Jan 1985, Josephson Junction Interferometer Device for > detection > >of Curl-Free Magnetic Vector Potential field. > > hmmm, the patent server wouldn't show me this one (said it was not > found), > even tho it would show me a list of the 11 patents that reference > it... > (most of which were SQUID related) > > it must be the one that 'they' don't want us to see, huh? > > r > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 16 14:14:43 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id OAA16151; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 14:13:33 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 14:13:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 17:08:25 -0400 (EDT) From: John Schnurer To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com cc: John Schnurer Subject: JACK and all.. Test electromagnets with a fixed current, not voltage. In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970816144344.006d4fb8@palacenet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"anz7F2.0.By3.oVXzp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5148 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dear Jack, I was going to suggest a sort of initial simple set of tests.... and we can expand these: a] Use BIG [read low impedance] brute force power supply b] Regulate for voltage with WELL heat sinked 78xx series c] Set up current regulation ... could be another 78xx as current regulator. d] float the whole dang thing e] set up two of the current sources f] put sense resistor on low side g] sample [we DO NOT mean digitalsampling or scope ... analog all the way] with 2 trace scope h] make two air core 'flip coils' and place them as equally as possible inside the bore ..... ie, winf the two solenoids on same core diameter .... place on table a couple of feet apart... place flip coils on table .... bore of solenoids and flips both vertical ... center flips with cardboard spacers. i] use contactor to feed the high sides of both current sources. Cost is small .... basically the heat sinks and regulators being the bulk of it ..... maybe 20-30 dollars retail, max, less brute force supply .... J PS: What do you think Jack? If you use auto contactor you should be able to get nice trigger off of low current side ..... or from protected divider at top of current sources. J On Sat, 16 Aug 1997, Jack DeMule wrote: > Hi All, > > I forgot mention in why it's useful to use > a fixed current when testing electromagnets. > > >From Bosanquet's law (which is the magnetic > equivalent to Ohms law)....phi=NI/R > > Phi=total number of lines of flux > N=number of turns > I=current through turns > R=reluctance to the flow of magnetic flux > > NI is the force (mmf) that drives the lines of > flux through R the reluctance (resistance) > of the magnetic circuit. > > With a fixed current you've changed a variable into > a constant...handy. > > A moderate current, of say an amp, should be > sufficient to test Joe's mass of the coil theory. > Why not add some series resistance to the circuit > and adjust the current to a fixed value, which > makes NI known, and then concentrate on R...which > is really the heart of the matter. > > > Best Regards, > JD > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > "Don't panic! ...I'm not from the government, and I > wouldn't lift a tentacle to help you." -Bug Eyed Monster > > E-mail to: mules@palacenet.net > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 16 15:48:52 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id PAA09573; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 15:48:28 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 15:48:28 -0700 From: LASERMIKES@aol.com Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 18:47:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970816184750_-2073838419@emout02.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com cc: LASERMIKES@aol.com Subject: Re: building your own colloidal silver generator Resent-Message-ID: <"5xbz61.0.UL2.wuYzp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5149 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: i'VE SAVED EVERY SCRAP OF CONVERTSATUON. pLEASE HELP ME GET STARTED AS TO HOW TO BUILD THE COLLOIDAL SILVER GENERATORY. I'M 39 WITH 4 YEARS COLLEGE. i'VE WORKED IN DIGITAL ELECTRONICS ENVIRNMENT 15 YEARS. tHESE NEWERE CONCEPTS SEAM TO ELUDE ME WELL IF YOU CAM PLEASE SEND ME IN THE GIGHT DIRECTION. THANKS From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 16 15:53:24 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id PAA10315; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 15:53:01 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 15:53:01 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970816164905.0073dd74@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 16:49:05 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: Re: JACK and all.. Test electromagnets with a fixed current, not voltage. In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.1.32.19970816144344.006d4fb8@palacenet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"3Davc1.0.3X2.BzYzp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5150 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi John, All... At 17:08 8/16/97 -0400, John Schnurer wrote: > a] Use BIG [read low impedance] brute force power supply How much current are we talking here? The voltage can be quite low, only enough for the desired test current, plus a little more to make up for the drop in the current regulator's pass device. > b] Regulate for voltage with WELL heat sinked 78xx series > c] Set up current regulation ... could be another 78xx as >current regulator. Now you lost me. Why worry about the voltage regulation? The voltage isn't a factor in the equation determining phi. We need a good current regulator though. I was thinking along the lines of a sense resistor, op-amp, and darlington PNP transistor. > g] sample [we DO NOT mean digitalsampling or scope ... analog all the >way] with 2 trace scope I agree...digital scopes are evil. (But they are getting better!) > h] make two air core 'flip coils' and place them as equally as >possible inside the bore. Flip coils...I like it! Easy to calibrate, simple, and reliable. > Cost is small .... basically the heat sinks and >regulators being the bulk of it ..... maybe 20-30 dollars retail, max, >less brute force supply .... > PS: What do you think Jack? I think we require one more bit of apparatus. To negate the effect of variations in dI, I'd use an integrating sample and hold to measure the output voltage from the flip coils. We're interested in the integral, not the peak. (I have a cheap circuit that will do this, it's just a couple of op amps really. Big name, simple circuit.) Best Regards, JD ------------------------------------------------------------ "Don't panic! ...I'm not from the government, and I wouldn't lift a tentacle to help you." -Bug Eyed Monster E-mail to: mules@palacenet.net ------------------------------------------------------------ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 16 16:26:38 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id QAA14986; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 16:24:49 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 16:24:49 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: darknet.net: Host ts1-bp04.bmts.com [204.191.100.177] claimed to be bmts.com.bmts.com Message-ID: <33F63667.F1F@darknet.net> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 19:23:19 -0400 From: Steve Reply-To: darklord@darknet.net Organization: DarkNet Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: KeelyNet BBS References: <33F61025.4776@sunherald.infi.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"fXu5A3.0.2g3.0RZzp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5151 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > KeelyNet's bulletin board isn't working. Has the number changed from the > one on the internet site? The web site isn't working either at the moment... ttyl -Steve -- Steve (aka DaRkLoRD) | darklord@darknet.net UIN: 2149500 | www.darknet.net/darklord DarkNet Technologies: http://www.darknet.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 16 16:27:20 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id QAA15128; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 16:25:43 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 16:25:43 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: darknet.net: Host ts1-bp04.bmts.com [204.191.100.177] claimed to be bmts.com.bmts.com Message-ID: <33F6369D.757B@darknet.net> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 19:24:13 -0400 From: Steve Reply-To: darklord@darknet.net Organization: DarkNet Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: whoops Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"FJ4Mk2.0.Ci3.rRZzp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5152 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: nevermind.. it must have been a problem with my computer... the site came up just fine when I checked it again.. sorry.. :) ttyl -Steve -- Steve (aka DaRkLoRD) | darklord@darknet.net UIN: 2149500 | www.darknet.net/darklord DarkNet Technologies: http://www.darknet.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 16 16:49:01 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id QAA01937; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 16:48:26 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 16:48:26 -0700 (PDT) From: bpaddock@csonline.net (Bob Paddock) To: stk@sunherald.infi.net Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: KeelyNet BBS Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 19:41:42 -0400 Organization: is mostly via piles Reply-To: bpaddock@csonline.net Message-ID: <2qj9zUQy8MuV092yn@csonline.net> References: <33F61025.4776@sunherald.infi.net> In-Reply-To: <33F61025.4776@sunherald.infi.net> Lines: 11 Resent-Message-ID: <"_xkLf3.0.AU.8nZzp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5153 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >KeelyNet's bulletin board isn't working. Has the number changed from the >one on the internet site? Its been down for several months. Keep watching the web site. -- For information on any of the following check out my WEB site at: http://www.usachoice.net/bpaddock Chemical Free Air Conditioning/No CFC's, Chronic Pain Relief, Electromedicine, Electronics, Explore!, Free Energy, Full Disclosure, KeelyNet, Matric Limited, Neurophone, Oil City PA, Philadelphia Experiment. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 16 17:15:12 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id RAA03837; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 17:14:42 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 17:14:42 -0700 (PDT) From: rvanspaa@eisa.net.au (Robin van Spaandonk) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: experimental time wave generator Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 00:13:16 GMT Organization: Improving Message-ID: <33f61e65.4164805@mail.eisa.net.au> References: <970811003149_1249795412@emout11.mail.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <970811003149_1249795412@emout11.mail.aol.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Mb4rH3.0.ox.l9azp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5154 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 11 Aug 1997 00:31:51 -0400 (EDT), MFergerson@aol.com wrote: [snip] > The other method involves embedding an oscillator inside the affected >volume (presumably synched to another outside) and watching for variations in >the clock rate. >The difficulty here seems related to the 'twin paradox' to most folks; as the >device is powered up, the internal time rate changes, but as it powers down, >the time rate returns to normal (whatever that is), so the only variation we >should see in clock rate is DURING the powerup-powerdown cycle. The solution >would seem to be some way to determine the 'age' of the clock after the >machine is powered down. There is a much simpler solution. Just use a watch with a face, and compare it to another removed at a distance continuously during the experiment. Unlike rockets going on trips at near the speed of light, these experiments are stationary, and easily observed throughout. [snip] Robin van Spaandonk -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Check out: http://www.eisa.net.au/~rvanspaa for how CF depends on temperature. "....,then he should stop, and he will catch up..." PS - no SPAM thanks! -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 16 17:15:10 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id RAA22734; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 17:14:40 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 17:14:40 -0700 Message-ID: <33F65069.7B79@sunherald.infi.net> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 18:14:17 -0700 From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" Reply-To: stk@sunherald.infi.net Organization: Good question! X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Magnetic constictors Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"AeDSF3.0.7Z5.k9azp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5155 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Greetings: Does anyone here know what the following are: magnetic constrictors, and hyper-mass simulators? The TEP looks very interesting. I might try it. I wonder if it would work differently if we tried Fred Epps' idea of a bismuth core. I have some now, so I might try. Ken: Thanks for the bismuth! Kyle Mcallister From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 16 17:30:29 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id RAA24428; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 17:30:08 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 17:30:08 -0700 From: openway@nor.com.au Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 10:29:55 +1000 Message-Id: <199708170029.KAA18065@nornet.nor.com.au> X-Sender: openway@pophost.nor.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: loosing your marbles Resent-Message-ID: <"RZ4z83.0.bz5.EOazp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5156 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >I got the idea from "Cancer and the Unresolved Health Issues in the >Biological Effects of EM Fields and Radiation" by Thomas E. Bearden that >there could be frequencies (or combinations of frequencies) of scalar >waves which enhance life organisms ... > My experience is that, within _any_ type of field, responses are frequency (and waveform) specific. Electromedicine is still relatively unknown territory. If you generate high frequencies, you run the risk of resonating tissue structures at random. The effects of low frequencies, particularly ELF's, are better documented through long-term research into brainwaves. The engineered scalar component of any transmission simply makes it more reactive. This is because it "dumps" its folded potential upon encountering non-linearities within the body. Generally, a carrier frequency is also used, which may be either "neutral" or bioactive (site specific) itself. Given the right transmitter, you can physically feel it. >Scalar fields of great enough intensity (such as in Tesla's Colorado >Springs research and the gravity field coil) may produce a cohering >effect on the zero-point energy which can be tapped to get over-unity >output. > Effects are proportional to convergent field intensity, but can be observed at low magnitude. Peter Nielsen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 16 17:32:09 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id RAA05801; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 17:31:23 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 17:31:23 -0700 (PDT) From: openway@nor.com.au Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 10:29:58 +1000 Message-Id: <199708170029.KAA18070@nornet.nor.com.au> X-Sender: openway@pophost.nor.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Barkhausen Battery ? Scalar waves FAQ ? Resent-Message-ID: <"4aW6K3.0.WQ1.OPazp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5157 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >True, unless we have the superposition (summing) of two scalars, >yeilding an EM vector which couples to a conventional coil! > If you look at Hooper's patent, he used a cylindrical capacitor enclosing the field windings. Regarding scalar generation, I suspect if an external DC voltage was applied to the cap, and the coil energized, a directional scalar field would result in line with its axis. This was the concept behind his "motional" field generator. Peter Nielsen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 16 17:32:12 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id RAA05822; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 17:31:28 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 17:31:28 -0700 (PDT) From: openway@nor.com.au Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 10:30:01 +1000 Message-Id: <199708170030.KAA18075@nornet.nor.com.au> X-Sender: openway@pophost.nor.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Barkhausen Battery ? Scalar waves FAQ ? Resent-Message-ID: <"qlBGW.0.sQ1.SPazp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5158 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >Also the bifilar coil >lacks mutual inductance to external fields, thats how we got rid of the >EM component! > I thought they are no longer EM waves because the corresponding vectors have been internally suppressed. What is there to induct? >> What if the 'receiving' bifiliar coil were energized with a fixed DC bias? >> Would the passing scalar interfere with that in some way, and create >> a measurable effect? > I think perhaps you would get a stronger effect if you used an artifical scalar field to rectify incoming waves. Some time ago, I suggested, to Bob, that he try placing an existing detector inside the zero field of a charged sphere ... at the center. This arrangement was the basis of Tesla's wireless transmission system. >What is odd here, is that different detector designs each seem to prefer >some specific detector geometeries over others. > Is this "odd" because we don't understand how to model the resulting fields? If not, let's talk about how to predict the emitted scalar directionality of some different cofingurations, in particular, complex ones, such as used in the Sweet and Hendershot devices, involving interactions of multiple non-inductive fields. Peter Nielsen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 16 17:33:38 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id RAA25105; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 17:33:18 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 17:33:18 -0700 Date: 17 Aug 1997 01:40:00 +0200 From: freenrg_list@sigma.sax.de (Andreas Hecht) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Message-ID: <6c1qDAguL$B@sigma.sax.de> In-Reply-To: <970815125027_-51249253@emout19.mail.aol.com> Subject: Re: File formats X-Mailer: CrossPoint v3.11 R/B9504 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Organization: private site in germany; member of Individual Network e.V. Resent-Message-ID: <"QnYNK2.0.A86.DRazp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5159 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: As Hlafonte wrote: > I am trying to convert my cad drawings to a format to attach > to e-mail I send out. The formats that my cad program will > convert to are, DXF, HPGL, EPS, XYZ . Do you know if I can use The best choice is the DXF format. ZIP the DXF file and attach it to your mail as binary using uuencode, base64 or binhex format. The DXF format can be read with nearly every CAD or vector graphics program, furthermore with some bitmap graphics programs like PaintShop Pro or Picture Publisher and even a few word processors. regards, Andreas -- ahecht@sigma.sax.de Andreas Hecht Moritzburger Str. 41 +49-(0)3523 63537 voice/fax/(data) D-01640 Coswig ************************************************************************ Visit the _Borderlands of Science_! http://www.sax.de/~stalker/borderland/ (Sorry, german only at this time - english version under construction!) ************************************************************************ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 16 19:04:26 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id TAA14360; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 19:02:32 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 19:02:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 21:57:40 -0400 (EDT) From: John Schnurer To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com cc: hermanfreenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: The 'why' Re: JACK and all.. Test electromagnets with a fixed current, not , voltage. In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970816164905.0073dd74@palacenet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"jnORF.0.GW3.rkbzp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5160 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dear Folks, See notes: On Sat, 16 Aug 1997, Jack DeMule wrote: > Hi John, All... > > At 17:08 8/16/97 -0400, John Schnurer wrote: > > a] Use BIG [read low impedance] brute force power supply > > How much current are we talking here? Let us think about what is being driven, if I am not mistaken it is 10 or 80 lbs of !!! # 10 awg copper !!! The voltage can be quite > low, only enough for the desired test current, plus a little more > to make up for the drop in the current regulator's pass device. > > > b] Regulate for voltage with WELL heat sinked 78xx series > > c] Set up current regulation ... could be another 78xx as > >current regulator. > > Now you lost me. Why worry about the voltage regulation? I am an overkill type guy.... if the brute force droops during test cycle ... then hwere are the measurements?? This way you can keep running your test pulses and go look at V-reg, fore and aft and see ... yes-no ... V is OK The > voltage isn't a factor in the equation determining phi. We need > a good current regulator though. I was thinking along the lines > of a sense resistor, op-amp, and darlington PNP transistor. > Yes. You could go low ball, which I love.... BUT: it is maybe good to run on the high ground, for this is where a commercial device musr go.... yes? > > g] sample [we DO NOT mean digitalsampling or scope ... analog all the > >way] with 2 trace scope > > I agree...digital scopes are evil. (But they are getting better!) > > > h] make two air core 'flip coils' and place them as equally as > >possible inside the bore. > > Flip coils...I like it! Easy to calibrate, simple, and reliable. > BAR As my older brother Paul would say "Big as real" ... or BAR. > > Cost is small .... basically the heat sinks and > >regulators being the bulk of it ..... maybe 20-30 dollars retail, max, > >less brute force supply .... > > > PS: What do you think Jack? > > I think we require one more bit of apparatus. > To negate the effect of variations in dI, I'd use an > integrating sample and hold to measure the output voltage > from the flip coils. We're interested in the integral, not > the peak. (I have a cheap circuit that will do this, it's > just a couple of op amps really. Big name, simple circuit.) > Agree. For me ... I like to see a waveform set. A vs B coil .... same with flip coils. Later, if anyone wants to, you could go to flux gate mags, or thin film permalloy bridge, or Hall effect .... with the bridge being least invasive and most accurate.... up to about 100 K cps with careful circuit design. To round out the picture: Evan Soule introduced me to one of the techs. He relayed the following: Joe, et al. believe the effect is best if the commutator is 'hashy' ie., it should have at least a modicum of arcing. Hence the contactor ... we do know the contactor may bounce some. If the effect is not pronounced then maybe the contactor should be between last solid state stage, ie., i reg .... and then we can take a look at a couple of other things: If we buffer the flip coils with a nice broad band high Z device, such as an RF dual gate MOSFET ... as follower, and then add some gain with a reasonably flat video amp, like the Nat'l Semi VIP series .... and the flips have broad band or high frequency behavior, ie., 2 inch 4 turns 1/4 inch spacing .... then we can also put one physically adjacent to feed line. If open frame contactor is used then buffered flip can go right NEXT to contacts .... second and third flips can go next to feed line and inside coils. Big fun ... small parts. "parts is parts" "nuh huh ... thay ain't" J > > Best Regards, > JD > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > "Don't panic! ...I'm not from the government, and I > wouldn't lift a tentacle to help you." -Bug Eyed Monster > > E-mail to: mules@palacenet.net > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 16 19:57:43 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id TAA17551; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 19:55:29 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 19:55:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33F675D2.4B19@sunherald.infi.net> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 20:53:54 -0700 From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" Reply-To: stk@sunherald.infi.net Organization: Good question! X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Theory Content-Type: text/html; charset=koi8-r; name="DSTGRC.HTM" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline; filename="DSTGRC.HTM" Content-Base: "file:///C|/NETSCAPE/GOLD/DSTGRC.HTM" Resent-Message-ID: <"cYUIQ2.0.7I4.UWczp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5161 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status:

DST's and the GRC: Similar designs

The Basics=A0(or what the heck is a DST and GRC?):
DST stands for Double Spin Torus, a device which is used to generate asymmetrical inertia, thus providing thrust. GRC stands for Gravity Reson= ance Coil, a device which is used to alter gravitic and magnetic forces in a confined area.
Asymmetrical Inertia:
Asymmetrical inertia is this: inertia that provides acceleration unid= irectionally.
Example of symmetrical inertia: Take a bucket of water, tie a string to the top, and swing it over your head, around and around. Do it right and you don't get wet. Why? The rotation of the bucket provided gravity! This form of gravity/rotation is called inertia.
Example of asymmetrical inertia: Take a special bucket of water, tie a rope to the top, and swing it over your head. Do it right, and you are pulled off the ground. Why? The rotation/type of the bucket provided grav= ity in only one direction! I will refer to this asymmetrical inertia from her= e on out as unertia (unidirectional-inertia).
DST's: How they make unertia:
Take an object, say a golfball, and rotate it vertically. Inertia is produced. Rotate this horizontally. Inetia is produced. Now combine the two rotations. Does the ball lift off the ground? No. Only inertia was produced. How can we possibly get two rotations, at 90 degrees from each other, on this ball? We can't. Is unertia now impossible? No. Take a cyli= nder, and spin it axially. Now move it lengthwise. Now bend the cylinder around= into a torus, while still spinning it as above. This is an important step= =2E We now have a device which has rotation at 90 degrees from each other! This device can be easily constructed as a real life object. It can be made by taking a toroidal object and surrounding it's edge with several more small toroids, with their centers being the center of the big torus'= s edge. The small toroids are at 90 degrees to the big toroid. Rotate the big toroid,while also rotating the small toroids IN=A0THE=A0SAME=A0DIRECT= ION=A0AS=A0ONE=A0ANOTHER. Thrust is along the major axis of rotation, and its direction is that of the minor axis toroids' inner edges. Thrust magnitude: a big major torus is better than a thin one, and minor toroids work better if bigger.
GRC's: What do they do:
The file listed as GRAVITY3.ASC at KeelyNet best describes this.
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Similarities of the designs:
One thing the DST and GRC both share is this: They both have spins at 90 degrees to each other. The only difference is that the DST is a mor= e mechanical setup, although there are ideas to use electrocoils and plasma= vortices, and the GRC is an electromagnetic coil, with a dielectric invol= ved. This may have something in common with the Barkhausen battery and gravity= emitting capacitor designs, also listed on KeelyNet. Not surprisingly, the Caudecious coil also shares some slight similarities with a DST, but I believe it will not produce the desired propulsive benefits.
Theories:
Some roads to follow up on DST/GRC research are: What happens if you implement a THIRD coil at 90 degrees to the other two, and run it up? Per= haps the thrust magnitude will be increased. Why does inertia/unertia occur? What are possible power sources locked inside such forces? Jean-Loius Nau= din's TEP has interested me since I first saw it. Perhaps scalar waves could be generated by rotation of the DST/GRC, as discussed on Freenrg-L and capture by an array of TEP's to produce power.
Copyrights:
I make no copyrighting limitaions on this document. Duplicate, distri= bute, copy, whatever, however much you like. I ask only that this information be used to better mankind.
Kyle Randall Mcallister
stk@sunherald.infi.net
August 16, 1997
From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 16 20:00:21 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id TAA18081; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 19:59:49 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 19:59:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: rmuha@mail Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <33F5181F.72E4@tiac.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 22:58:27 -0400 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: ralph muha Subject: Re: Barkhausen Battery ? Scalar waves FAQ ? Resent-Message-ID: <"npKyM.0.QQ4.Yaczp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5162 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 11:36 PM -0400 8/15/97, Bob Shannon wrote: >> >> What if the 'receiving' bifiliar coil were energized with a fixed DC bias? >> Would the passing scalar interfere with that in some way, and create >> a measurable effect? > >Fantstic question Ralph!!!! I guess I have DC bias on the brain (he said, removing the alligator clips from his tongue and earlobe) Actually, I've been playing around with a Hodowanec 'detector' (ie, amplified capacitor) and I've reached the same conclusion as you did, as to the efficacy of that device. Nevertheless, it's an interesting exercise, as well as a great 1/f noise generator. One of the configurations that I tried was two caps in series across the op amp (TL082) with a DC bias applied in the middle. This cleans up the 'signal' a great deal, although I still have to take it in to work and look at the spectrum. > [...] > >But more directly, different types of "translators" (Bifilar, trifilar, >caduceus, paired phased transmission lines, etc.) are observed to have a >very significant effect on detection ranges and levels. How do trifiliars work? I've heard of these, but have never seen any circuit examples... >What is odd here, is that different detector designs each seem to prefer >some specific detector geometeries over others. One of the geometeries >that has the broadest appeal is the good old bifilar coil. By 'designs' do you mean the circuitry around the detector, or something else? > [...] > >But by all means, test it yourself. I intend to, just a matter of finding the time :-) >Just keep the energy down in the milliwatts for this testing, higher >energy is for single-shot pulse mode, just for safety. Yes, I was going to ask you why the need for 'heavy artillery' in the pulse generator, when it seems like a 555 into a current driver with a bifiliar load would be sufficient. OTOH, what sort of scalar pulse could you generate by firing a high current pulse thru a spool of radio shack speaker wire with one end shorted (and perhaps staked on a ferrite rod)? r From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 16 21:15:29 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id VAA15487; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 21:14:43 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 21:14:43 -0700 Message-Id: Date: Sun, 17 Aug 97 16:13 NZST X-Sender: srae@shoppe.mlb.planet.gen.nz Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: srae@mlb.planet.gen.nz (Stuart Rae) Subject: Re: To John : Re: Same voltage used on two coil test ? X-Mailer: Resent-Message-ID: <"9U4eQ.0.un3.ngdzp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5163 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi All, John Fields wrote: >There seems to be something very wrong here. > >Ten pounds of #10 wire exhibits a resistance of 0.3178 ohms, and with 18 >volts applied across the coil should result in a steady-state current of >56.6 amps. > >Eighty pounds of #10 wire exhibits a resistance of 2.542 ohms, and with >18 volts applied across that coil should result in a steady-state current >of 7.08 amps. > >Am I missing something? > Don't forget the internal resistance of the EMF source John. Both the current and the voltage that appears across the inductor are controlled by it. With regard to this whole question, Robert Burkholder once remarked, that in conventional EM: >For a given input power required to maintain a steady-state magnetic field in a >coil: > >1) the magnetic field strength is proportional to the square root of the volume >of wire used times the square root of the input power, > >2) the stored energy in the magnetic field is proportional to the volume of >wire used times the input power. > >This takes into account the resistance of the coil which is assumed to be much >larger than the resistance of the DC voltage source. It is also assumed that >the dimensions of the coil are relatively constant, i.e., the height and >average radius of the coil don't change much when more windings are added. The >input voltage, wire gauge, and number of windings may vary. > >The interesting result here is that both the magnetic field strength and stored >energy are increasing functions of the VOLUME (or MASS) of the wire in the >coil. Actually, the above results are functions of the conductivity of the wire >material times the volume, and not necessarily the mass. But since mass is >proportional to volume there may still be a mass/energy relationship. I might go further and suggest that in some circumstances, the power required(Pt watts) actually decreases, and an increased field(H) is SUSTAINED in an inductor, when there is a DECREASE in circuit current(I amps), and an INCREASED voltage across the inductor(P.D. volts) where the EMF source(V volts) has a constant internal resistance(r ohms). For example, calculate an inductor made from 1000 metres of 2 mm copper wire with a resistance (R ohms)- 5.61 ohms per thousand metres at 25 degrees C - wound on a one metre circumference (N=1000), to a length of 200cm(L), and apply a source of EMF (P.D. volts) of 18 volts across it, where the source has an internal resistance of let's say, 6 ohms. Then calculate another inductor with the same basic dimensions, using 2000 metres of 2 mm wire wound in two layers over the same 200cm (i.e. only a 4 mm increase in OD), and apply the same EMF source(V). >From 4PiIN/10L or 1.257 NI/L and ohms law, it seems to me that H increases, with an increased voltage(P.D.), BUT with LESS current(I), and LESS power(Pt) as follows: Case 1: V P.D. L N R I Pt r H ----------------------------------------------------------------- 18.00 8.70 200 1000 5.61 1.55 27.90 6 9.74 18.00 11.73 200 2000 11.23 1.05 18.90 6 13.14 OK, so if you think an 'r' of 6 ohms is too high, let's make it 0.5 ohms: Case 2: V P.D. L N R I Pt r H ----------------------------------------------------------------- 18.00 16.53 200 1000 5.61 2.95 53.10 0.5 18.51 18.00 17.23 200 2000 11.23 1.54 27.72 0.5 19.30 (And of course the power required by the inductor would also be less, with the extra winding in each case.) But convention maintains that it is the electrical CURRENT that's solely responsible for an inductor's magnetic field. Is that correct - or have I made an error somewhere? OK, I know Bob and some others might disagree, and say that you have to take into account the additional energy required to establish the field in the first place - i.e. the different inductances, different L/R, difference of energy in joules etc., and that everything equates. This is also true, but don't forget that here, we are only considering the time slot AFTER the magnetic field is established, and the inferences might be highly relevant with regard to how the initial energy TIME slot might be altered in some way. After all, isn't it this "time slot" what Jean-Claude Naudin is currently working on: And what Mr DeLeo is suggesting with step or ramp charged capacitors: And perhaps what Mr Newman may have already accomplished with the marriage of electrical and mechanical system. Regards, SR From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 16 21:20:38 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id VAA24265; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 21:20:12 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 21:20:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: leoguitar@mail.vossnet.de (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Live -Conferencing ! My ICQ UIN is 277 35 60 Cc: newman-l@emachine.com, JNaudin509@aol.com, gwatson@microtronics.com.au, epitaxy@localaccess.com Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 06:21:15 MET Message-Id: <19970817062115.225fe290.in@pop3.vossnet.de> Resent-Message-ID: <"0DYLJ1.0.-w5.vldzp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5164 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi, I just installed ICQ and Netmeeting 2.0 Who wants to chat with me online ? MY ICQ ID number is: 277 35 60 Please give it a try ! Thanks ! BTW, Netmeeting 2.0 is very nice. I already had very nice videoconferences to a few guys around the world inclusive live video ! It works very good. Give it a try ! Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 16 21:24:09 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id VAA17081; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 21:23:50 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 21:23:50 -0700 Message-Id: <199708170416.VAA16020@claim.goldrush.com> From: "Wes Crosiar" To: Subject: patent search engines Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 21:28:17 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Dru0Z1.0.oA4.Lpdzp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5165 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: To all: I need to find a patent dated 1965. Is there a patent search service ONLINE that goes back that far? THANKS WES From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 16 21:30:33 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id VAA25301; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 21:30:03 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 21:30:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: leoguitar@mail.vossnet.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Re: To John : Re: Same voltage used on two coil test ? Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 06:32:35 MET Message-Id: <19970817063235.226a42f5.in@pop3.vossnet.de> Resent-Message-ID: <"JshOZ2.0.CB6.5vdzp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5166 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >Hi All, > >John Fields wrote: > >>There seems to be something very wrong here. >> >>Ten pounds of #10 wire exhibits a resistance of 0.3178 ohms, and with 18 >>volts applied across the coil should result in a steady-state current of >>56.6 amps. >> > No no guys, the ohmic resistance of the 2 coils was about 5 to 15 ohms around, so the steady state current was not more than 2 amperes or so... But it was never 0.5 ohm or so... Have you ever wound such a big coil ? You will get Ohms, but not milliohms ! Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 16 22:48:27 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id WAA01691; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 22:47:22 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 22:47:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33F5E3C8.866@mail.dux.ru> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 21:30:48 +0400 From: "Alexander V. Frolov" Reply-To: frolov@mail.dux.ru Organization: Home Lab X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stk@sunherald.infi.net CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Theory References: <33F675D2.4B19@sunherald.infi.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"V9L921.0.KQ.e1fzp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5167 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Kyle R. Mcallister wrote: > > DST's and the GRC: Similar designs > DST's: How they make unertia: > Take an object, say a golfball, and rotate it vertically. Inertia is > produced. Rotate this horizontally. Inetia is produced. Now combine > the two rotations. Does the ball lift off the ground? No. Only inertia > was produced. How can we possibly get two rotations, at 90 degrees > from each other, on this ball? We can't. Is unertia now impossible? > No. Take a cylinder, and spin it axially. Theory for it and some experiments were produced in St.-Petersburg also. My friend Vadim Kotchetkov, now is working out of science in communication business, many years ago by own initiative and by his own funds organized production of the system for rotation of 4 kg cylinder + periodical "push action" to its axis. At that times he worked in some Institute. Results were a very strange, in some sense a terrible results: all clocks in the Institute were stopped when the system was in operation. Some medical (health) action also was detected. By his theory (that is not Kotchetkov's primarry but that is the development of some unknown Russian works) the OPTIMAL SIZES for the cylinder is a=2b where a is length and b is diameter. ==================== The goal of the research was SELF-ROTATION, i.e. additional input of energy into the system. Nobody can say where the source, but chronal changes in this experiments are clear note on it. I am grateful to Kyle Randall Mcallister for a very interesting message. Alexander V. Frolov From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 16 23:21:18 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id XAA04511; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 23:20:55 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 23:20:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 18:17:18 +1000 Message-Id: <199708170817.SAA18527@main.murray.net.au> X-Sender: egel@main.murray.net.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Geoff Egel Subject: Re: Pulsed capacitor discharge electric engine Resent-Message-ID: <"eDrEY2.0.M61.5Xfzp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5168 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 08:36 PM 8/15/97 -0700, you wrote: >Have added new article to my web site on Pulsed capacitor electric engine by Edwin Gray >http://geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135/gray.htm Web site >http://www2.murray.net.au/users/egel http://geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135 http://members.tripod.com/~geoffegel From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 17 02:45:12 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id CAA11478; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 02:44:51 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 02:44:51 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970817034058.00725ea0@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 03:40:58 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: Re: To John : Re: Same voltage used on two coil test ? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"BAKey1.0.Fp2.IWizp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5169 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi All... At 16:13 8/17/97 NZST, you wrote: >But convention maintains that it is the electrical CURRENT that's solely >responsible for an inductor's magnetic field. Is that correct - or have I >made an error somewhere? In literature the term field strength is used in a confusing, and sloppy, manner. People sometimes say field strength when describing H the force driving the flux (intensity), or B the amount of flux driven (density). They are related parameters, but it's like confusing voltage and current in an electrical circuit. I believe you said that you're calculating for H, which is the field intensity, that is the problem. Then again it's 4:30am. and I haven't slept in two days. I could easily be the one that is confused. Best Regards, JD ------------------------------------------------------------ "Don't panic! ...I'm not from the government, and I wouldn't lift a tentacle to help you." -Bug Eyed Monster E-mail to: mules@palacenet.net ------------------------------------------------------------ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 17 05:01:14 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id FAA20732; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 05:00:54 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 05:00:54 -0700 Message-ID: <33F6E506.E171B80F@ihug.co.nz> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 23:48:22 +1200 From: John Berry X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: building your own colloidal silver generator X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <970816184750_-2073838419@emout02.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"B1cMO2.0.r35.rVkzp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5170 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: try: http://www.keelynet.com/biology/colloid.htm I have tried it and it works! LASERMIKES@aol.com wrote: > i'VE SAVED EVERY SCRAP OF CONVERTSATUON. pLEASE HELP ME GET STARTED AS > TO HOW > TO BUILD THE COLLOIDAL SILVER GENERATORY. I'M 39 WITH 4 YEARS COLLEGE. > i'VE > WORKED IN DIGITAL ELECTRONICS ENVIRNMENT 15 YEARS. tHESE NEWERE > CONCEPTS SEAM > TO ELUDE ME WELL IF YOU CAM PLEASE SEND ME IN THE GIGHT DIRECTION. > THANKS From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 17 06:17:45 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id GAA26500; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 06:14:13 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 06:14:13 -0700 Message-ID: <33F6F734.5558@ctv.es> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 15:05:56 +0200 From: Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga Reply-To: vramos@ctv.es X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: MAIL VIRUS - READ THIS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"s_C2n3.0.zT6.Zalzp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5171 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi all, This message is for all readers!!! An e-mail called PENPAL GREETINGS is actually distributed on the net. If you open this e-mail, while you read the message, a virus called TROJAN HORSE destroy your HD. Do not open these e-mails, simply delete it. Vicente. -- Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga E-mail: vramos@ctv.es Home Page: http://www.ctv.es/USERS/vramos/home.htm Burriana (Castellon) SPAIN From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 17 06:53:34 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id GAA27357; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 06:52:07 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 06:52:07 -0700 (PDT) From: bpaddock@csonline.net (Bob Paddock) To: vramos@ctv.es Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: MAIL VIRUS - READ THIS Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 09:44:55 -0400 Organization: is mostly via piles Reply-To: bpaddock@csonline.net Message-ID: References: <33F6F734.5558@ctv.es> In-Reply-To: <33F6F734.5558@ctv.es> Lines: 442 Resent-Message-ID: <"0YXAT.0.Ih6.58mzp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5172 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >From earlier this year: Date: Sun, 5 Jan 1997 15:34:01 -0800 (PST) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: hoax viruses Here's a warning which should innoculate freenrg-L users against the mind- viruses called "hoaxes" and "urban legends." .....................uuuu / oo \ uuuu........,............................. William Beaty voice:206-781-3320 bbs:206-789-0775 cserv:71241,3623 EE/Programmer/Science exhibit designer http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/ Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com SCIENCE HOBBYIST web page __________________________________________________________ The U.S. Department of Energy Computer Incident Advisory Capability ___ __ __ _ ___ / | /_\ / \___ __|__ / \ \___ __________________________________________________________ INFORMATION BULLETIN Internet Hoaxes: PKZ300, Irina, Good Times, Deeyenda, Ghost November 20, 1996 15:00 GMT Number H-05 ______________________________________________________________________________ PROBLEM: This bulletin addresses the following hoaxes and erroneous warnings: PKZ300 Warning, Irina, Good Times, Deeyenda, and Ghost.exe PLATFORM: All, via e-mail DAMAGE: Time lost reading and responding to the messages SOLUTION: Pass unvalidated warnings only to your computer security department or incident response team. See below on how to recognize validated and unvalidated warnings and hoaxes. ______________________________________________________________________________ VULNERABILITY New hoaxes and warnings have appeared on the Internet and old ASSESSMENT: hoaxes are still being cirulated. ______________________________________________________________________________ Introduction ============ The Internet is constantly being flooded with information about computer viruses and Trojans. However, interspersed among real virus notices are computer virus hoaxes. While these hoaxes do not infect systems, they are still time consuming and costly to handle. At CIAC, we find that we are spending much more time de-bunking hoaxes than handling real virus incidents. This advisory addresses the most recent warnings that have appeared on the Internet and are being circulated throughout world today. We will also address the history behind virus hoaxes, how to identify a hoax, and what to do if you think a message is or is not a hoax. Users are requested to please not spread unconfirmed warnings about viruses and Trojans. If you receive an unvalidated warning, don't pass it to all your friends, pass it to your computer security manager to validate first. Validated warnings from the incident response teams and antivirus vendors have valid return addresses and are usually PGP signed with the organization's key. PKZ300 Warning ============== The PKZ300 Trojan is a real Trojan program, but the initial warning about it was released over a year ago. For information pertaining to PKZ300 Trojan reference CIAC Notes issue 95-10, that was released in June of 1995. http://ciac.llnl.gov/ciac/notes/Notes10.shtml The warning itself, on the other hand, is gaining urban legend status. There has been an extremely limited number of sightings of this Trojan and those appeared over a year ago. Even though the Trojan warning is real, the repeated circulation of the warning is a nuisance. Individuals who need the current release of PKZIP should visit the PKWARE web page at http://www.pkware.com. CIAC recommends that you DO NOT recirculate the warning about this particular Trojan. Irina Virus Hoax ================ The "Irina" virus warnings are a hoax. The former head of an electronic publishing company circulated the warning to create publicity for a new interactive book by the same name. The publishing company has apologized for the publicity stunt that backfired and panicked Internet users worldwide. The original warning claimed to be from a Professor Edward Pridedaux of the College of Slavic Studies in London; there is no such person or college. However, London's School of Slavonic and East European Studies has been inundated with calls. This poorly thought-out publicity stunt was highly irresponsible. For more information pertaining to this hoax, reference the UK Daily Telegraph at http://www.telegraph.co.uk. Good Times Virus Hoax ===================== The "Good Times" virus warnings are a hoax. There is no virus by that name in existence today. These warnings have been circulating the Internet for years. The user community must become aware that it is unlikely that a virus can be constructed to behave in the manner ascribed in the "Good Times" virus warning. For more information related to this urban legend, reference CIAC Notes 95-09. http://ciac.llnl.gov/ciac/notes/Notes09.shtml Deeyenda Virus Hoax =================== The "Deeyenda" virus warnings are a hoax. CIAC has received inqueries regarding the validity of the Deeyenda virus. The warnings are very similar to those for Good Times, stating that the FCC issued a warning about it, and that it is self activating and can destroy the contents of a machine just by being downloaded. Users should note that the FCC does not and will not issue virus or Trojan warnings. It is not their job to do so. As of this date, there are no known viruses with the name Deeyenda in existence. For a virus to spread, it must be executed. Reading a mail message does not execute the mail message. Trojans and viruses have been found as executable attachments to mail messages, but they must be extracted and executed to do any harm. CIAC still affirms that reading E-mail, using typical mail agents, can not activate malicious code delivered in or with the message. Ghost.exe Warning ================= The Ghost.exe program was originally distributed as a free screen saver containing some advertising information for the author's company (Access Softek). The program opens a window that shows a Halloween background with ghosts flying around the screen. On any Friday the 13th, the program window title changes and the ghosts fly off the window and around the screen. Someone apparently got worried and sent a message indicating that this might be a Trojan. The warning grew until the it said that Ghost.exe was a Trojan that would destroy your hard drive and the developers got a lot of nasty phone calls (their names and phone numbers were in the About box of the program.) A simple phone call to the number listed in the program would have stopped this warning from being sent out. The original ghost.exe program is just cute; it does not do anything damaging. Note that this does not mean that ghost could not be infected with a virus that does do damage, so the normal antivirus procedure of scanning it before running it should be followed. History of Virus Hoaxes ======================= Since 1988, computer virus hoaxes have been circulating the Internet. In October of that year, according to Ferbrache ("A pathology of Computer Viruses" Springer, London, 1992) one of the first virus hoaxes was the 2400 baud modem virus: SUBJ: Really Nasty Virus AREA: GENERAL (1) I've just discovered probably the world's worst computer virus yet. I had just finished a late night session of BBS'ing and file treading when I exited Telix 3 and attempted to run pkxarc to unarc the software I had downloaded. Next thing I knew my hard disk was seeking all over and it was apparently writing random sectors. Thank god for strong coffee and a recent backup. Everything was back to normal, so I called the BBS again and downloaded a file. When I went to use ddir to list the directory, my hard disk was getting trashed again. I tried Procomm Plus TD and also PC Talk 3. Same results every time. Something was up so I hooked up to my test equipment and different modems (I do research and development for a local computer telecommunications company and have an in-house lab at my disposal). After another hour of corrupted hard drives I found what I think is the world's worst computer virus yet. The virus distributes itself on the modem sub- carrier present in all 2400 baud and up modems. The sub-carrier is used for ROM and register debugging purposes only, and otherwise serves no othr (sp) purpose. The virus sets a bit pattern in one of the internal modem registers, but it seemed to screw up the other registers on my USR. A modem that has been "infected" with this virus will then transmit the virus to other modems that use a subcarrier (I suppose those who use 300 and 1200 baud modems should be immune). The virus then attaches itself to all binary incoming data and infects the host computer's hard disk. The only way to get rid of this virus is to completely reset all the modem registers by hand, but I haven't found a way to vaccinate a modem against the virus, but there is the possibility of building a subcarrier filter. I am calling on a 1200 baud modem to enter this message, and have advised the sysops of the two other boards (names withheld). I don't know how this virus originated, but I'm sure it is the work of someone in the computer telecommunications field such as myself. Probably the best thing to do now is to stick to 1200 baud until we figure this thing out. Mike RoChenle This bogus virus description spawned a humorous alert by Robert Morris III : Date: 11-31-88 (24:60) Number: 32769 To: ALL Refer#: NONE From: ROBERT MORRIS III Read: (N/A) Subj: VIRUS ALERT Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE Warning: There's a new virus on the loose that's worse than anything I've seen before! It gets in through the power line, riding on the powerline 60 Hz subcarrier. It works by changing the serial port pinouts, and by reversing the direction one's disks spin. Over 300,000 systems have been hit by it here in Murphy, West Dakota alone! And that's just in the last 12 minutes. It attacks DOS, Unix, TOPS-20, Apple-II, VMS, MVS, Multics, Mac, RSX-11, ITS, TRS-80, and VHS systems. To prevent the spresd of the worm: 1) Don't use the powerline. 2) Don't use batteries either, since there are rumors that this virus has invaded most major battery plants and is infecting the positive poles of the batteries. (You might try hooking up just the negative pole.) 3) Don't upload or download files. 4) Don't store files on floppy disks or hard disks. 5) Don't read messages. Not even this one! 6) Don't use serial ports, modems, or phone lines. 7) Don't use keyboards, screens, or printers. 8) Don't use switches, CPUs, memories, microprocessors, or mainframes. 9) Don't use electric lights, electric or gas heat or airconditioning, running water, writing, fire, clothing or the wheel. I'm sure if we are all careful to follow these 9 easy steps, this virus can be eradicated, and the precious electronic flui9ds of our computers can be kept pure. ---RTM III Since that time virus hoaxes have flooded the Internet.With thousands of viruses worldwide, virus paranoia in the community has risen to an extremely high level. It is this paranoia that fuels virus hoaxes. A good example of this behavior is the "Good Times" virus hoax which started in 1994 and is still circulating the Internet today. Instead of spreading from one computer to another by itself, Good Times relies on people to pass it along. How to Identify a Hoax ====================== There are several methods to identify virus hoaxes, but first consider what makes a successful hoax on the Internet. There are two known factors that make a successful virus hoax, they are: (1) technical sounding language, and (2) credibility by association. If the warning uses the proper technical jargon, most individuals, including technologically savy individuals, tend to believe the warning is real. For example, the Good Times hoax says that "...if the program is not stopped, the computer's processor will be placed in an nth-complexity infinite binary loop which can severely damage the processor...". The first time you read this, it sounds like it might be something real. With a little research, you find that there is no such thing as an nth-complexity infinite binary loop and that processors are designed to run loops for weeks at a time without damage. When we say credibility by association we are referring to whom sent the warning. If the janitor at a large technological organization sends a warning to someone outside of that organization, people on the outside tend to believe the warning because the company should know about those things. Even though the person sending the warning may not have a clue what he is talking about, the prestigue of the company backs the warning, making it appear real. If a manager at the company sends the warning, the message is doubly backed by the company's and the manager's reputations. Individuals should also be especially alert if the warning urges you to pass it on to your friends. This should raise a red flag that the warning may be a hoax. Another flag to watch for is when the warning indicates that it is a Federal Communication Commission (FCC) warning. According to the FCC, they have not and never will disseminate warnings on viruses. It is not part of their job. CIAC recommends that you DO NOT circulate virus warnings without first checking with an authoritative source. Authoritative sources are your computer system security administrator or a computer incident advisory team. Real warnings about viruses and other network problems are issued by different response teams (CIAC, CERT, ASSIST, NASIRC, etc.) and are digitally signed by the sending team using PGP. If you download a warning from a teams web site or validate the PGP signature, you can usually be assured that the warning is real. Warnings without the name of the person sending the original notice, or warnings with names, addresses and phone numbers that do not actually exist are probably hoaxes. What to Do When You Receive a Warning ===================================== Upon receiving a warning, you should examine its PGP signature to see that it is from a real response team or antivirus organization. To do so, you will need a copy of the PGP software and the public signature of the team that sent the message. The CIAC signature is available from the CIAC web server at: http://ciac.llnl.gov If there is no PGP signature, see if the warning includes the name of the person submitting the original warning. Contact that person to see if he/she really wrote the warning and if he/she really touched the virus. If he/she is passing on a rumor or if the address of the person does not exist or if there is any questions about theauthenticity or the warning, do not circulate it to others. Instead, send the warning to your computer security manager or incident response team and let them validate it. When in doubt, do not send it out to the world. Your computer security managers and the incident response teams teams have experts who try to stay current on viruses and their warnings. In addition, most anti-virus companies have a web page containing information about most known viruses and hoaxes. You can also call or check the web site of the company that produces the product that is supposed to contain the virus. Checking the PKWARE site for the current releases of PKZip would stop the circulation of the warning about PKZ300 since there is no released version 3 of PKZip. Another useful web site is the "Computer Virus Myths home page" (http://www.kumite.com/myths/) which contains descriptions of several known hoaxes. In most cases, common sense would eliminate Internet hoaxes. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- CIAC, the Computer Incident Advisory Capability, is the computer security incident response team for the U.S. Department of Energy (DOE) and the emergency backup response team for the National Institutes of Health (NIH). CIAC is located at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in Livermore, California. 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LAST 10 CIAC BULLETINS ISSUED (Previous bulletins available from CIAC) G-43: Vulnerabilities in Sendmail G-44: SCO Unix Vulnerability G-45: Vulnerability in HP VUE G-46: Vulnerabilities in Transarc DCE and DFS G-47: Unix FLEXlm Vulnerabilities G-48: TCP SYN Flooding and IP Spoofing Attacks H-01: Vulnerabilities in bash H-02: SUN's TCP SYN Flooding Solutions H-03: HP-UX_suid_Vulnerabilities H-04: HP-UX Ping Vulnerability RECENT CIAC NOTES ISSUED (Previous Notes available from CIAC) Notes 07 - 3/29/95 A comprehensive review of SATAN Notes 08 - 4/4/95 A Courtney update Notes 09 - 4/24/95 More on the "Good Times" virus urban legend Notes 10 - 6/16/95 PKZ300B Trojan, Logdaemon/FreeBSD, vulnerability in S/Key, EBOLA Virus Hoax, and Caibua Virus Notes 11 - 7/31/95 Virus Update, Hats Off to Administrators, America On-Line Virus Scare, SPI 3.2.2 Released, The Die_Hard Virus Notes 12 - 9/12/95 Securely configuring Public Telnet Services, X Windows, beta release of Merlin, Microsoft Word Macro Viruses, Allegations of Inappropriate Data Collection in Win95 Notes 96-01 - 3/18/96 Java and JavaScript Vulnerabilities, FIRST Conference Announcement, Security and Web Search Engines, Microsoft Word Macro Virus Update -b Bob Antia antia@leftbank.com The Left Bank Operation, Inc. http://www.leftbank.com TCP/IP Internetworking LAN/WAN/NT/UNIX Admin ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To unsubscribe from this list, send a letter to: Majordomo@ai.mit.edu In the body of the message, write: unsubscribe dcsb Or, to subscribe, write: subscribe dcsb If you have questions, write to me at Owner-DCSB@ai.mit.edu From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 17 06:53:47 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id GAA29483; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 06:53:20 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 06:53:20 -0700 From: JNaudin509@aol.com Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 09:52:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970817095214_1453243563@emout20.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com cc: mrandall@earthlink.net Subject: Re : Re: Re : Re: A Scalar Wave generator, The TEP V2.1 Resent-Message-ID: <"HQ4Kz2.0.aC7.F9mzp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5173 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On 16/08/1997 10:30:15 , Michael Randall wrote : << Hi Jean-Louis, Thanks for sharing your research and congradulations for discovering such a simple circuit. I look forward to your testing of the scalar waves and energy collection experiments. While I'm waiting for my SMOT kit I thought of building your circuit and have the following questions: 1) The photo "A Non-Linear oscillator (U d-b/c)", at what points on your circuit are the oscillator probes to obtain this photo? What does U d-b/c mean? >> Hi Michael The scope probes are connected like this : Channel A (bifilar) : between point D and C (ground) Channel B (coil L4) : between point B and C (ground) Scope in XY measurements. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - <<2) What is the purpose of the Collector coil? To convert/translate the bifilar scalar pulse back to a usable form to power a load?>> Yes, you are true, you have differents ways to collect energy from the TEP : - by replacing the L4 coil by a insulated tranformer and tap energy from the secondary, - by seting the L4 coil in resonnant mode with a small cap in parallel, or with the primary of the transformer, and tap power from the secondary, - by connecting a diode (in reverse mode) like 1N4148 between the the L1 and L2, to tap the parametric energy of the bifilar, - ......many ways are opened for the TEP exploration..... More to come, soon...... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------- <<3) Is the L3 wound in the same direction as the L1 & L2?>> No, the L3 coil is wound in reverse direction, hot side at the opposite side of the L1/L2. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------- << Did you read Joel McClain's paper in Int'l Tesla Society magazine Extraordinary Science Jan/Mar 1996, titled Energy Geometry and the MRA? It had a good description on the generation and conversion of scalar waves. Best Regards, Michael Randall >> Thanks for this info, but I have a paper about a MRA test conducted by Scott Little and Hal Puthoff ( see bellow ) MRATEST1.ASC : " Evaluation of Magnetic Resonance Amplifier (MRA) Institute for Advanced Studies / EarthTech International, Inc. H. E. Puthoff and Scott Little 20 January 1995 ....... Conclusion Based on the results of our experimentation and analysis we find that the MRA device provided by McClain and Wooten does not produce over-unity-efficiency results. The MRA circuit behaves instead as one would expect of a loaded transformer with a series capacitor in the primary circuit. When the MRA is detuned from resonance to frequencies slightly below resonance, the observed changes may give the impression that the MRA then draws unusually little power from the source while nonetheless maintaining a healthy output. This impression is false. True power measurements show that the MRA continues to draw about twice as much power from the source as it delivers to the load." I hope that these informations will help you to succeed in your TEP experiment, Sincerely, ( This mail has been sent at 13h45 GMT on 17 August 97 ) Jean-Louis Naudin ( France / GMT+2 ) Email : JNaudin509@aol.com my Overunity WEB Server : http://members.aol.com/JNaudin509/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 17 07:57:26 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id HAA01541; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 07:55:50 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 07:55:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <01BCAAF3.ADD7B0E0@dial33.as1.phoenix.net> From: Art Loya To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: RE: building your own colloidal silver generator Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 09:54:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BCAAF3.ADE879C0" Resent-Message-ID: <"6PDnQ1.0.yN.o3nzp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5174 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: ------ =_NextPart_000_01BCAAF3.ADE879C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: LASERMIKES@aol.com [SMTP:LASERMIKES@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, August 16, 1997 5:48 PM To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Cc: LASERMIKES@aol.com Subject: Re: building your own colloidal silver generator i'VE SAVED EVERY SCRAP OF CONVERTSATUON. pLEASE HELP ME GET STARTED AS TO HOW TO BUILD THE COLLOIDAL SILVER GENERATORY. I'M 39 WITH 4 YEARS COLLEGE. i'VE WORKED IN DIGITAL ELECTRONICS ENVIRNMENT 15 YEARS. tHESE NEWERE CONCEPTS SEAM TO ELUDE ME WELL IF YOU CAM PLEASE SEND ME IN THE GIGHT DIRECTION. 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szdanq@blue.ucdavis.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dan Quickert Subject: Re: SMOT Mk2 Beta 4 "Rollaway" verification Cc: vortex-l@eskimo.com Resent-Message-ID: <"ntfrb3.0.Th3.dEozp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5175 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Okay, so we have 2 issues: how to start it and what is its state after it stops. IMHO the gated start is better than the nudge. As Rick points out, as long as it's on the level portion before any vertical climb up the ramp, this method will start the ball in a lower input-energy state than will a nudge. And the start energy level will be much easier to make uniform over many trials. (note, *how* the gate is removed can give a bias - if the gate is *raised* in front of the ball, it will tend to give the ball a backwards push). I vote for the gated start as a simple, easily-controlled, repeatable method. On the other other hand, seems like hand-nudging it would be good enough for a start; if that seems to work, *then* get fancy and refine it. Now, for determining a portion of its end energy state, it would be good to have a "standard 5mm nudge device", because, as I think Bob was pointing out: How do you know that after 150mm the ball is really out of the ramp's field? I *believe* that's far enough, but if we're after quantification... If you give the ball another 'nudge' after it stops (at the end of the 150mm or wherever), and it goes 5mm, you've got good indication it was out of the field. If not, it isn't as clear-cut a result. BTW, the 'nudger' had better be non-magnetic. --------- Better yet... How sensitive are gaussmeters? If the ball starts and ends at rest at the same vertical level, but the field strength at the end is less than that of the beginning, wouldn't that be pretty clear overunity? So you use the gated start, measure gauss at begin and end, and compare. Dan From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 17 10:26:48 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id KAA15734; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 10:25:29 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 10:25:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 10:24:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708171724.KAA07873@sweden.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: mrandall@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Michael Randall Subject: Re: A Scalar Wave generator, The TEP V2.1 Resent-Message-ID: <"aciOQ3.0.kr3.6Gpzp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5176 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 09:52 AM 8/17/97 -0400, Jean-Louis Naudin wrote: >On 16/08/1997 10:30:15 , Michael Randall wrote : > <...> >Hi Michael > >The scope probes are connected like this : >Channel A (bifilar) : between point D and C (ground) >Channel B (coil L4) : between point B and C (ground) >Scope in XY measurements. > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >- > <<2) What is the purpose of the Collector coil? To convert/translate the > bifilar scalar pulse back to a usable form to power a load?>> > >Yes, you are true, you have differents ways to collect energy from the TEP : >- by replacing the L4 coil by a insulated tranformer and tap energy from the >secondary, That is what I was thinking of. McClain's theory on scalar wave translation says this is one way to do it. "In electric circuit, this means a polarized magnetic or electromagnetic field which is resonating at the frequency which is double that created the spheres in their origin." By spheres he suggests that the cancelled potentials (in bifilar coils) as nulled, having effectively cancelled polarity of each opposing alternation. "The results is a series of spheres, which cannot be measured in terms of time (the only way to measure potential in 3-space) because the relative "distance" or difference in potential is equal to the diameter of the sphere, which is the same from any two points. The time anchor has been lost in the sea of spheres." >- by seting the L4 coil in resonnant mode with a small cap in parallel, or >with the primary of the transformer, and tap power from the secondary, >- by connecting a diode (in reverse mode) like 1N4148 between the the L1 and >L2, to tap the parametric energy of the bifilar, >- ......many ways are opened for the TEP exploration..... Great! This is all new discoveries and experimentation. >More to come, soon...... Looking forward to it! >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >------------------- > <<3) Is the L3 wound in the same direction as the L1 & L2?>> > >No, the L3 coil is wound in reverse direction, hot side at the opposite side >of the L1/L2. > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >----------------- ><< > Did you read Joel McClain's paper in Int'l Tesla Society magazine > Extraordinary Science Jan/Mar 1996, titled Energy Geometry and the MRA? It > had a good description on the generation and conversion of scalar waves. > > Best Regards, > Michael Randall > > >> >Thanks for this info, but I have a paper about a MRA test conducted by Scott >Little and Hal Puthoff ( see bellow ) > >MRATEST1.ASC : >" Evaluation of Magnetic Resonance Amplifier (MRA) > Institute for Advanced Studies / EarthTech International, Inc. > H. E. Puthoff and Scott Little > >20 January 1995 >....... <....> Like cold fusion, some have succeeded in replicating the MRA. McClains paper was mostly about scalar wave geometry and how to create them and tap them for power output. Questions on TEP V2.1: 1. Under Bifilar coil construction: a) 1) ...2 X 115 cm? The drawing says 11.5m of magnetic wire. 2. 3) Insulate properly.... What material did you use? 3. 2) Drill a small hole at each side of the tube for the wire.... Does the wire enter from the inside of the tube? Why not just leave the wire ends on the outside? 4. The ferrite rod is two pieces, for left and right coils, or one long piece? Thank you for your comments and observations, they are very helpful. :-) Best Regards, Michael Randall From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 17 11:16:00 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id LAA19906; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 11:13:28 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 11:13:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: richarda@mailhub.icx.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199708171615.JAA07992@franc.ucdavis.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 14:12:53 -0400 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Richard Austin Subject: Re: SMOT Mk2 Beta 4 "Rollaway" verification Resent-Message-ID: <"zngaS.0.xs4.6zpzp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5177 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >I vote for the gated start as a simple, easily-controlled, repeatable method. > A non-magnetic gate that flips up is perhaps the best design for repeated performance and non interactivity with the ball. Richard Austin -- email: richarda@icx.net -- radio: KG7SU Check out the Institute for Planetary Renewal at http://user.icx.net/~richarda From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 17 12:53:51 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id MAA11952; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 12:53:23 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 12:53:23 -0700 Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 14:51:56 -0500 (CDT) From: John Fields Sender: John Fields Reply-To: John Fields Subject: Re: To John : Re: Same voltage used on two coil test ? To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: <19970817063235.226a42f5.in@pop3.vossnet.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"-yG_G1.0.bw2.nQrzp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5178 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Sun, 17 Aug 1997, Stefan Hartmann wrote: > >Hi All, > > > >John Fields wrote: > > > >>There seems to be something very wrong here. > >> > >>Ten pounds of #10 wire exhibits a resistance of 0.3178 ohms, and with 18 > >>volts applied across the coil should result in a steady-state current of > >>56.6 amps. > >> > > > No no guys, the ohmic resistance of the 2 coils was about 5 to 15 ohms > around, so the steady state current was not more than 2 amperes or so... > > But it was never 0.5 ohm or so... > > Have you ever wound such a big coil ? > You will get Ohms, but not milliohms ! > > Regards, Stefan. > ---------------- First of all, I made an error with the weight of the small coil. It should have been five pounds instead of ten. However, for the purpose at hand, the error is immaterial. Stefan, if the weight of the small coil was five pounds and it was wound with #10 AWG soft-drawn electrolytic copper wire, the resistance of the coil would be 0.159 ohms. If the weight of the large coil was eighty pounds and it was wound with the same size wire as the small coil, then its resistance would be 2.54 ohms. Unless I'm wrong, these numbers are debatable, John Fields ----------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 17 13:10:09 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id NAA28892; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 13:07:02 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 13:07:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708172006.NAA28313@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: "Free Energy" Subject: A switched bifilar parametric circuit Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 13:08:40 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01BCAB0E.AE4CECA0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"un9lf2.0.K37.Zdrzp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5179 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01BCAB0E.AE4CECA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi All! Although the study of scalar effects is inherently interesting and valuable, I don't believe it is necessary to invoke scalar waves to demonstrate overunity with a device similar to the TEP. Consider circuit 1 in the attached GIF. This is the basic parametric inductive circuit. It is known (maybe not WELL known) that if the inductance in this circuit is varied periodically at freq F, an oscillating current will develop at F/2. It is generally believed that the energy needed to vary the inductance is exactly the same as the energy in the current. For some time on the list I have questioned whether there is any inherent connection between these two values. Now look at circuit 2. A bifilar or counterwound coil on a ferrite core has been substituted for the variable inductor in circuit 1. An analog switch driven by a square wave generator has been interposed between the two windings. The result is that for half a cycle any current passing through the circuit goes through one side of the bifilar inductor and for the other half the current goes through both sides. The result is that the total inductance goes from a high value to a very low value. This varying inductance operates in the same way as the variable inductance in circuit 1 and a current builds. The value of this current is based on depth of variation of the inductance, and the load resistance. Since the variation is high, the current will be high. On the other hand the energy needed to switch this current through the second half of the inductor is small. The obvious result is a much larger output than input. I am not a builder by nature, but this is a simple circuit that I could build. Unfortunately I don't have any way of testing it once I've built it (no scope etc.) I would appreciate it if one of you electronics wizards could put it together and test it out. There are a few more details that would need to be discussed so contact me. The original idea for this circuit is based on a concept of Jean-Louis Naudin's. 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<199708172038.NAA27561@schilling.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: szdanq@blue.ucdavis.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dan Quickert Subject: Re: A switched bifilar parametric circuit Resent-Message-ID: <"1Xw1t3.0.rd.G6szp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5180 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Fred, I may be missing something or oversimplifying, but if the point is to allow/not allow current to flow into the 2nd winding, based on its polarity, wouldn't a diode in the place of the 'analog switch' accomplish the same thing? Dan From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 17 13:44:35 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id NAA19458; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 13:43:59 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 13:43:59 -0700 From: JNaudin509@aol.com Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 16:42:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970817164254_1453313280@emout20.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com cc: mrandall@earthlink.net Subject: Re : Re: A Scalar Wave generator, The TEP V2.1 Resent-Message-ID: <"AAtM32.0.xl4.FAszp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5181 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Michael, On 17/08/1997 19:27:34 , Michael Randall wrote: << Questions on TEP V2.1: 1. Under Bifilar coil construction: a) 1) ...2 X 115 cm? The drawing says 11.5m of magnetic wire. >> Oouups... This is 2x11.5 m as I have indicated in the main drawing. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------------- << 2. 3) Insulate properly.... What material did you use?>> I have used electric rubber tape ( for H.V is better ) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------------- << 3. 2) Drill a small hole at each side of the tube for the wire.... Does the wire enter from the inside of the tube? Why not just leave the wire ends on the outside?>> Yes, the wires of L1,L2 enter inside the tube through the left hole and exit the tube through the right hole, this is only for holding the wires in place during the hand-wiring. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------------- << 4. The ferrite rod is two pieces, for left and right coils, or one long piece? Thank you for your comments and observations, they are very helpful. :-) Best Regards, Michael Randall >> I have used TWO rods of ferrite to adjust finely the balance of the feedback coil L3. I give you a tip : I have used a 1N4148 diode with a 1 ohm (carbon) resistor in serial connected between the two coils L1,L2 ( Emitter/collector of the transitor ), this diode is connected in reverse mode. I have used a ANALOG Voltmeter connected in parallel of the 1 ohm resistor, for measuring the reverse current in the TEP. I have adjusted the ferrite L/R rods for obtain the MAX reverse current on the analog voltmeter. In this case EM energy reflected is maximum and the TEP is correctly tuned. The analog voltmeter is necessary for this adjustement, the HIGH EM ENERGY induce EMI in all digital equipments around the coil and disturb this kind of measurement...... Sincerely, ( This mail has been sent at 08h30 GMT on 17 August 97 ) Jean-Louis Naudin ( France / GMT+2 ) Email : JNaudin509@aol.com my Overunity WEB Server : http://members.aol.com/JNaudin509/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 17 14:02:13 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id OAA04142; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 14:00:55 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 14:00:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 13:59:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708172059.NAA29143@schilling.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: szdanq@blue.ucdavis.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dan Quickert Subject: Re: SMOT Mk2 Beta 4 "Rollaway" verification Resent-Message-ID: <"WTJOj1.0.b01.4Qszp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5182 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I wrote: >*how* the gate is removed can give a bias - >if the gate is *raised* in front of the ball, >it will tend to give the ball a backwards push > Should have said: The right gate design could ensure that any minor bias is *against* adding energy to the system. Make the gate a simple set of 2 posts with a flat nonmettalic plate resting against them on the side away from the ramp. The ball rests against the backside of the plate. If the plate is then raised vertically, there is no way it can impart a forward force to the ball. If there is any friction between the ball and plate, it would translate into a *backward* rolling force. If the plate is pulled out sideways, seems like it may be more of a neutral effect. a simple top view: .| ramp===|O== .| <- ball motion (the periods are the posts, the "O" is the ball, the "=" is track) Ok, so the diagram wasn't necessary, I'm practicing my ASCII art today :-) Dan From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 17 14:23:44 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id OAA24466; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 14:23:14 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 14:23:14 -0700 Message-Id: <199708172124.OAA09953@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: experimental time wave generator Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 13:48:00 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"GcRJK3.0.B-5.1lszp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5183 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Robin, "MFerguson", and all. Mr. Ferguson, sorry I didn't catch your original response to my message. > > The other method involves embedding an oscillator inside the affected > >volume (presumably synched to another outside) and watching for variations in > >the clock rate. > >The difficulty here seems related to the 'twin paradox' to most folks; as the > >device is powered up, the internal time rate changes, but as it powers down, > >the time rate returns to normal (whatever that is), so the only variation we > >should see in clock rate is DURING the powerup-powerdown cycle. The solution > >would seem to be some way to determine the 'age' of the clock after the > >machine is powered down. > There is a much simpler solution. Just use a watch with a face, and > compare it to another removed at a distance continuously during the > experiment. Unlike rockets going on trips at near the speed of light, > these experiments are stationary, and easily observed throughout. > [snip] I agree that this would work for my time generator. Enclosed is an outline sketch of what I mean by my idea. You can refer to my earlier posts for more of the theory. Briefly, I believe that time is a purely a product of material systems and is not an absolute. I identify it with inertia, and I believe that time effects will be seen only when systems have changing inertial constants, analogous to the situation with EM induction. The experimental time generator is simply a way of creating rapidly varying electromagnetic inertia. The complete unit including power supply is well-shielded. It basically consists of a high Q, high current tank circuit with a variable inductor, like a magnetic amplifier winding. When a pulse is sent into the magamp winding the L (inertial constant) of the tank changes rapidly. This is when I would expect to see changes in nearby oscillators (clocks). I assume that the higher the current the greater the effects. There is nothing special about this particular design. The same experiments could be done with rotating masses in acceleration (that is being spun up or down NOT in steady movement). Fred > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 17 14:33:14 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id OAA26545; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 14:32:37 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 14:32:37 -0700 Message-Id: <199708172134.OAA19938@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: A switched bifilar parametric circuit Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 14:37:30 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"VXltp3.0.TU6.otszp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5184 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Dan, > I may be missing something or oversimplifying, but if the point is to > allow/not allow current to flow into the 2nd winding, based on its polarity, > wouldn't a diode in the place of the 'analog switch' accomplish the same thing? No, a diode won't work. The point isn't to control the current based on polarity. Imagine a small AC current being fed into the circuit where I have "DC pulse" indicated. (This is another workable configuration). For parametric amplification the L of the circuit needs to drop when the current in the coils is at a maximum, not at the zero crossing point. If the circuit is run with just a starting DC pulse, this situation arises naturally-- the output current is totally the result of this change in L working on this initial pulse. Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 17 14:36:02 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id OAA26992; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 14:34:46 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 14:34:46 -0700 Message-Id: <199708172136.OAA10424@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: "Free Energy" Subject: Fw: experimental time wave generator Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 14:40:25 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01BCAB1B.7FBEAB00" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"twqeq1.0.fb6.rvszp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5185 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01BCAB1B.7FBEAB00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Forgot to include the diagram the first time out... > Hi Robin, "MFerguson", and all. > > Mr. Ferguson, sorry I didn't catch your original response to my message. > > > > > The other method involves embedding an oscillator inside the affected > > >volume (presumably synched to another outside) and watching for > variations in > > >the clock rate. > > >The difficulty here seems related to the 'twin paradox' to most folks; > as the > > >device is powered up, the internal time rate changes, but as it powers > down, > > >the time rate returns to normal (whatever that is), so the only > variation we > > >should see in clock rate is DURING the powerup-powerdown cycle. The > solution > > >would seem to be some way to determine the 'age' of the clock after the > > >machine is powered down. > > There is a much simpler solution. Just use a watch with a face, and > > compare it to another removed at a distance continuously during the > > experiment. Unlike rockets going on trips at near the speed of light, > > these experiments are stationary, and easily observed throughout. > > [snip] > > I agree that this would work for my time generator. Enclosed is an outline > sketch of what I mean by my idea. > > You can refer to my earlier posts for more of the theory. Briefly, I > believe that time is a purely a product of material systems and is not an > absolute. I identify it with inertia, and I believe that time effects will > be seen only when systems have changing inertial constants, analogous to > the situation with EM induction. 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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 23:50:57 +0200 From: Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga Reply-To: vramos@ctv.es X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Geoff Egel CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Grey motor Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"pib9F.0.BP7.iJtzp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5186 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi, Geoff. Congratulations for your good constant work. I can't understand how free energy is collected, but you say: The discharge overshoot or back emf from the collapsing fields in the capacitor discharge is used to engerize external batteries for construction of power. Not sounds like the Kromrey converter, Bedini devices, and similar? (shocking batteries with a high voltage pulse)?. In that case, this device is doomed too (FOR ME, and ONLY FOR ME). In all cases, you're making a good job. Vicente. -- Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga E-mail: vramos@ctv.es Home Page: http://www.ctv.es/USERS/vramos/home.htm Burriana (Castellon) SPAIN From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 17 17:11:31 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id RAA11862; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 17:11:01 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 17:11:01 -0700 X-Sender: leoguitar@mail.vossnet.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Re: Re : Re: A Scalar Wave generator, The TEP V2.1 Date: Mon, 18 Aug 97 02:07:04 +0200 Message-Id: <9708180207040400@odin.kathert.de> Resent-Message-ID: <"uQSNK.0.Fv2.JCvzp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5187 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >Hi Jean, does your current go very ofetn also into the negative direction on the scope pics ? Where is the ground line ( 0 amp line )? Please let me knwo. Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 17 18:07:08 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id SAA20309; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 18:06:39 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 18:06:39 -0700 Message-ID: <33F7C920.6B97@tiac.net> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 21:01:36 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Reply-To: bshannon@tiac.net Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: To John : Re: Same voltage used on two coil test ? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"s5aL41.0.Az4.T0wzp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5188 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Stuart Rae wrote: > But convention maintains that it is the electrical CURRENT that's solely > responsible for an inductor's magnetic field. Is that correct - or have I > made an error somewhere? There may be a small error of omission. Conventional theory does not state that current it 'solely' responsible for the magnetic field in this context. We have the number of turns, in the Amper-turns law. Note that while we build the magnetic field of small or large inductors, at all times the stored energy in the magnetic field is a function of the total current over time. > OK, I know Bob and some others might disagree, and say that you have to take > into account the additional energy required to establish the field in the > first place - i.e. the different inductances, different L/R, difference of > energy in joules etc., and that everything equates. This is also true, but > don't forget that here, we are only considering the time slot AFTER the > magnetic field is established, and the inferences might be highly relevant > with regard to how the initial energy TIME slot might be altered in some > way. After all, isn't it this "time slot" what Jean-Claude Naudin is > currently working on: And what Mr DeLeo is suggesting with step or ramp > charged capacitors: And perhaps what Mr Newman may have already accomplished > with the marriage of electrical and mechanical system. But at that time slot "AFTER" the field reaches its full intensity, we have a used an ammount of energy that is equal to the magnetic field energy, large coil or small. This total energy over time is real energy we put into the system, we cannot count only the static energy and call this a 'gain' in energy by discoutning the very real total energy it took to get to this static case. BTW, is it your opinion that the magnetic field in Mr. Newman's invention ever reaches a static condition? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 17 18:26:38 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id SAA22664; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 18:25:57 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 18:25:57 -0700 Message-ID: <33F7CDB3.65A8@tiac.net> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 21:21:07 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Reply-To: bshannon@tiac.net Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: SMOT Mk2 Beta 4 "Rollaway" verification References: <199708171615.JAA07992@franc.ucdavis.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"mXZhv1.0.1Y5.aIwzp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5189 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dan Quickert wrote: > > wrote what to which, so with apologies I'm replying to both lists... could > we move it to one or the other?> > > Okay, so we have 2 issues: how to start it and what is its state after it stops. > > IMHO the gated start is better than the nudge. As Rick points out, as long > as it's on the level portion before any vertical climb up the ramp, this > method will start the ball in a lower input-energy state than will a nudge. > And the start energy level will be much easier to make uniform over many > trials. (note, *how* the gate is removed can give a bias - if the gate is > *raised* in front of the ball, it will tend to give the ball a backwards push). > > I vote for the gated start as a simple, easily-controlled, repeatable method. > > On the other other hand, seems like hand-nudging it would be good enough for > a start; if that seems to work, *then* get fancy and refine it. But in a gate start, the ball is placed into a location where it is already under the effects of the magnets, your act of placing it there has made the starting energy of the system complex, and non-zero. A simple known-weight, non-magnetic pendulem could swing down from a fixed starting point, and strike the ball with a known, repeatable force. Knowns are better than complex unknowns, and this seems to be easier to acheive that arguing the actual starting energy of a gate start. > Now, for determining a portion of its end energy state, it would be good to > have a "standard 5mm nudge device", because, as I think Bob was pointing out: > How do you know that after 150mm the ball is really out of the ramp's field? > I *believe* that's far enough, but if we're after quantification... If you > give the ball another 'nudge' after it stops (at the end of the 150mm or > wherever), and it goes 5mm, you've got good indication it was out of the > field. If not, it isn't as clear-cut a result. BTW, the 'nudger' had better > be non-magnetic. Good point! But its probbly very important to realize that if we kick the ball back towards the ramp, it may well be drawn back to the magnets. This tells us a great deal about the balls energy after exiting the ramp. > Better yet... > How sensitive are gaussmeters? If the ball starts and ends at rest at the > same vertical level, but the field strength at the end is less than that of > the beginning, wouldn't that be pretty clear overunity? So you use the gated > start, measure gauss at begin and end, and compare. Given that we need a 'kicker' to establish that the tracks are both level in the first place, I think its more important to look at the exit energy by kicking the exited ball in BOTH directions, and noting any bias. Also, as we need the kicker anyway, and the starting energy of a gate start is not a simple matter, I reccomend a kicker start, in keeping with Greg's original proposal. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 17 18:42:52 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id SAA24901; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 18:42:14 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 18:42:14 -0700 Message-ID: <33F7D184.7D3D@tiac.net> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 21:37:24 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Reply-To: bshannon@tiac.net Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: SMOT Mk2 Beta 4 "Rollaway" verification References: <199708172059.NAA29143@schilling.ucdavis.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Bbrpn3.0.-46.rXwzp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5190 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dan Quickert wrote: > > I wrote: > >*how* the gate is removed can give a bias - > >if the gate is *raised* in front of the ball, > >it will tend to give the ball a backwards push > > > > Should have said: > > The right gate design could ensure that any minor bias is *against* adding > energy to the system. Make the gate a simple set of 2 posts with a flat > nonmettalic plate resting against them on the side away from the ramp. The > ball rests against the backside of the plate. If the plate is then raised > vertically, there is no way it can impart a forward force to the ball. If > there is any friction between the ball and plate, it would translate into a > *backward* rolling force. If the plate is pulled out sideways, seems like it > may be more of a neutral effect. > > a simple top view: > > .| > ramp===|O== > .| > > <- ball motion > (the periods are the posts, the "O" is the ball, the "=" is track) > > Ok, so the diagram wasn't necessary, I'm practicing my ASCII art today :-) > > Dan But what about the fact that your starting the test with the bal already in the field of the ramp? This 'stacks the deck' with energy that is difficult to measure. A known nudge is much simpler to deal with, and just as easy to construct. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 17 18:49:37 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id SAA26230; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 18:49:20 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 18:49:20 -0700 From: openway@nor.com.au Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 11:49:02 +1000 Message-Id: <199708180149.LAA28503@nornet.nor.com.au> X-Sender: openway@pophost.nor.com.au (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: unifying FE effects Resent-Message-ID: <"GonRK3.0.hP6.Uewzp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5191 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I refer to my earlier post regarding the concept of gravity, electricity and magnetism being dimensional aspects of a variable time field. Here is a practical example of how this might be applied to FE, using the Bismuth disk principle Fred Epps brought up a few months ago. Let's assume a steady speed of rotation. Working back from a three dimensional field, the magnetic component, inherent to any spinning object, would be suppressed by the magnetic shielding properties of Bismuth. The second dimensional, or electron, field, which proceeds toward the circumference, can be repelled by applying a negative HV charge adjacent to the rim. The remaining vectoral force, represented by the axis of spin, and corresponding to gravity, can be cancelled by rotating two of the above disks in opposition. Stripped of energetic inertia, they are effectively "falling together" through a localised time gradient. If a conductive wire is then passed through the common central axis of both spinning disks, but insulated from them, it is likely the composite scalar potentials would result in a measureable formation of electrons at the midpoint. On the other hand, if positrons, from a radioactive material, were fed into a single, uncoupled disk, a field would be created inverse to that of the Earth, resulting in loss of apparent weight. The midpoint between two such contra-rotating disks would then draw electrons relative to the Earth's surface. No doubt, the above functions can also be performed with complex interactions of plasma and standing waves. It is quite possible that hovering UFO's are using this technique to extract electrical energy from the planet. This would also explain the intense magnetic fields associated with their appearence. Regarding their so far unexplained frequency of visitation, it begins to make sense when you see us as the gas pump of the galaxy. Must be the atmosphere ;-) Anyone willing to comment on the above? Peter Nielsen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 17 18:51:17 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id SAA29821; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 18:50:39 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 18:50:39 -0700 (PDT) From: openway@nor.com.au Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 11:49:06 +1000 Message-Id: <199708180149.LAA28508@nornet.nor.com.au> X-Sender: openway@pophost.nor.com.au (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: A switched bifilar (scalar :-) parametric circuit Resent-Message-ID: <"nOO3N1.0.oH7.ifwzp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5192 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > Although the study of scalar effects is inherently interesting and >valuable, I don't believe it is necessary to invoke scalar waves to >demonstrate overunity with a device similar to the TEP. Consider circuit 1 >in the attached GIF. This is the basic parametric inductive circuit. It >is known (maybe not WELL known) that if the inductance in this circuit is >varied periodically at freq F, an oscillating current will develop at F/2. > Were you bitten by a scalar dog as a young child? Doesn't the variable inductor work by opposing fields? That generates scalars. As does the TEP-type bifiliar configurations. If you gave consideration to how scalar vectors may be converged, by the geometry of the device, to produce a second order electrical potential, things would soon fall into place. Peter Nielsen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 17 20:01:46 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id UAA03345; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 20:00:52 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 20:00:52 -0700 Message-Id: <199708180302.UAA15329@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: A switched bifilar (scalar :-) parametric circuit Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 20:00:47 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"CVgHw2.0.Aq.Zhxzp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5193 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Peter, > Were you bitten by a scalar dog as a young child? Very funny, Peter :-) it was really a v I know it sounds like I have something against scalars. I really don't. Its just that I don't understand them very well and thus don't want to say anything about them. Some years a go I read a lot of Bearden's stuff and what I was most impressed with (aside from his insistent projection of ultimate evil onto the Russians) was his willingness to make his theory fit every experimental result. He explains ghosts, the VTA, and the Johnson magnetic motor with scalars. The result was that I wiped the slate clean on Bearden and never looked back. Now it appears I made a mistake-- about scalars, not Bearden. All I can say about Bearden is that I would have to be very careful about what I incorporated into my thinking from him. I'm trying to get up to speed on scalars, I really am. Stuart Rae has kindly provided me with a digest of all freenrg-l discussions about bifilar coils and I am reading it now, but I have no clarity on the subject. I wonder how many people out there do. Maybe you and Bob Shannon, and a few others. On the other hand, I have been onto the parametric stuff for almost two years now and had the beginnings of promising results with them in Jean-Louis Naudin's, Jack Demule's, and Stuart Rae's experiments. I want to see those experiments extended so I'm pushing my topic. I can't add anything productive to a discussion about scalars right now, except to ask questions about them. Specifically, how does a scalar generator become an overunity device? It seems, if anything, you are turning EM energy into something you can't detect anymore without special instrumentation. Very interesting, but my focus is frankly to replace the current power resources of our civilization with something better. Even more frankly and quite egotistically, I believe that extensions of my current line of thinking can produce substantial amounts of power in the very near future. Why should I jump on the scalar bandwagon when I have not tested my own ideas, either to prove or disprove them? This is my own fault, I cannot expect others to drop everything and test my ideas when I have not bothered to learn how to build and test myself, but it's very hard for me to change my focus to something else when I have not acheived "closure", if you'll excuse the psychobabble. > > Doesn't the variable inductor work by opposing fields? That generates > scalars. As does the TEP-type bifiliar configurations. If you gave > consideration to how scalar vectors may be converged, by the geometry of the > device, to produce a second order electrical potential, things would soon > fall into place. It sounds like you've given thought to this. Why do you need me to help when you are way ahead of me? If you have some idea you would like to try I will help to the fullest extent possible. You know I mean that. Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 17 20:05:04 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id UAA03945; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 20:04:42 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 20:04:42 -0700 Message-Id: <199708180306.UAA13487@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: "Free Energy" Subject: rest of the joke Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 20:10:30 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"-TKp_3.0.Tz.9lxzp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5194 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi all! it wasn't a scalar dog , it was really a vector cat... interrupted by my daughter grabbing the top of my head :-P From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 17 20:24:27 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id UAA09040; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 20:23:59 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 20:23:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 20:22:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708180322.UAA11674@germany.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: mrandall@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Michael Randall Subject: Re: Re : Re: A Scalar Wave generator, The TEP V2.1 Cc: JNaudin509@aol.com Resent-Message-ID: <"m_PVS2.0.9D2.C1yzp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5195 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 04:42 PM 8/17/97 -0400, Jean-Louis Naudin wrote: >Hi Michael, > >On 17/08/1997 19:27:34 , Michael Randall wrote: > ><< Questions on TEP V2.1: <....> > >I give you a tip : >I have used a 1N4148 diode with a 1 ohm (carbon) resistor in serial connected >between the two coils L1,L2 ( Emitter/collector of the transitor ), this >diode is connected in reverse mode. I have used a ANALOG Voltmeter connected >in parallel of the 1 ohm resistor, for measuring the reverse current in the >TEP. I have adjusted the ferrite L/R rods for obtain the MAX reverse current >on the analog voltmeter. In this case EM energy reflected is maximum and the >TEP is correctly tuned. The analog voltmeter is necessary for this >adjustement, the HIGH EM ENERGY induce EMI in all digital equipments around >the coil and disturb this kind of measurement...... > Hi Jean-Louis, Thanks for the tip!! It looks like a good way to extract power from the circuit!? The 1N4148 diode looks to be rated at 0.2 Ip (forward amps) & 70 Vp (volts reverse). 1) What did your meter measure in reverse amps? a. Voltage? 2) At what frequency did the circuit resonate? 3) Do you use any ground or earth connection in the circuit? Is it needed? 4) Did you wind your own coils or where they made at a coil shop? Thanks again for your help. Sincerely, Michael Randall From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 17 21:11:07 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id VAA13633; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 21:10:44 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 21:10:44 -0700 (PDT) To: gwatson@microtronics.com.au Cc: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 21:03:57 -0700 Subject: MK3 steel strip question Message-ID: <19970817.210404.3942.2.tv@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1,3-5,7,10-16,18,20,22-26,28-30,32-34,36-43 From: tv@juno.com (Tim D Vaughan) Resent-Message-ID: <"H6LUU3.0.vK3.1jyzp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5196 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Greg, I have been experimenting with iron strips and neodymium magnets along with the N-gauge track. The pull seems very weak. Is there any particular type of steel that you are using in your long strip ? My strips are 12 mm wide by 3 mm thick. The NdIB magnet is 2.5 cm by 1.25 cm round. Enough pull to overcome friction on the level starts at about 20 cm from the magnet at the very best. With any uphill at all it is much closer. Nowhere near to being able to go 50 cm up a gentle incline required for MK3 design. Yet the N-gauge track is very smooth, much better than U-channel. My configuration is like this: =========================================================== ** !!!!!!!!!!!! N ****** Ball !!!!!!!!!!!! ** !!!!!!!!!!! S =========================================================== The magnet is between the iron strips. At least with my particular arrangement, I have little hope of achieving functional circular ramp like you describe. Does the magnet have to attach to the outside of the rail like you show on the web page instead on inside like I am trying ? What is the gap between the ball and the strip ? If I make mine too close it causes ball to jump off track and jump to one strip or the other. Thanks for your ongoing help and persistance on this interesting project, Sincerely, Tim Vaughan ( tv@juno.com ) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 17 23:18:40 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id XAA26757; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 23:18:08 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 23:18:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33F7E850.7794@idt.net> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 02:14:40 -0400 From: Josef Martin Katz Reply-To: joeyk19@idt.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-IDT-v5 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Help, still learning scalars Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"xCUo13.0.zX6.Ua-zp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5197 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: hi, could someone help me out and explain me exactly why to intersecting scalars release "normal" EM? thanks. -joey katz ps. Pavlov's dog married Schrodinger's cat. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 17 23:29:00 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id XAA28457; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 23:28:29 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 23:28:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 23:27:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708180627.XAA23995@germany.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: mrandall@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Michael Randall Subject: TEP V2.2 Scope Pictures Cc: JNaudin509@aol.com Resent-Message-ID: <"NcbtG1.0.Xy6.9k-zp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5198 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Jean-Louis, I see that you put the pictures of your reflected energy from TEP V2.2 at your Web page: http://members.aol.com/overunity4/html/teppicts.htm Interesting current pulses. Are these reflected energy levels higher than the input from the battery source? Any data for input to output energy levels? From what I've seen the TEP would not need the battery for source after the initial input. The TEP could tap the increased energy generated to power itself. Could you comment on this? :-) Sincerely, Michael Randall From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 17 23:39:55 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id XAA29405; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 23:39:05 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 23:39:05 -0700 X-Sender: josephnewman@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 01:43:00 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: Re: Same voltage used on two coil test ? Resent-Message-ID: <"_vPUC3.0.MB7.7u-zp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5199 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >Stuart Rae wrote: > > > >> But convention maintains that it is the electrical CURRENT that's solely >> responsible for an inductor's magnetic field. Is that correct - or have I >> made an error somewhere? > >There may be a small error of omission. Conventional theory does not >state that current it 'solely' responsible for the magnetic field in >this context. We have the number of turns, in the Amper-turns law. Consider also a straight length of wire (which contains copper atoms with aligned atomic domains as voltage is applied) which produces a magnetic field as input is applied -- where there are no "turns" of wire. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 17 23:50:40 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id XAA30475; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 23:50:19 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 23:50:19 -0700 Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 23:50:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708180650.XAA09382@franc.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: szdanq@blue.ucdavis.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dan Quickert Subject: Re: SMOT Mk2 Beta 4 "Rollaway" verification Resent-Message-ID: <"XOA9U3.0.3S7.g2_zp"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5200 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Bob Shannon wrote: >A simple known-weight, non-magnetic pendulem could swing down from a >fixed starting point, and strike the ball with a known, repeatable >force. That's a good way to do the 'nudge start'. The pendulum idea makes it more reasonable to me, I could see starting the ball that way. (but you should have a good gated-start for the pendulum to be sure its swing is uniform!) and > >But what about the fact that your starting the test with the bal already >in the field of the ramp? This 'stacks the deck' with energy that is >difficult to measure. > Yes, it stacks the deck, but I think not in the direction you see. When the ball is moved toward the mag field to place it in the starting position, its p.e. relative to the field is decreased, and that energy came from the field. So to get the ball there you've drawn energy from the system, but the system gets no 'credit' for that energy since you stop the ball and make it start again from the lower-energy position. It's kind of like measuring the energy in a compressed spring by having it eject a ball into the air, and measuring how far the ball flies - but you stop the spring's motion after it has uncompressed a bit, then let it go again. The ball won't go as far as it would have if you didn't interfere, so your measurement of the spring's energy will come out short. Same with the mag ramp, starting the ball from a bit within the field doesn't allow the magnet's force to act on the ball for as long a distance, so it won't gain as much momentum as it would if you nudged the ball in from farther away. You're wasting a bit of the mag potential. Heck, maybe the pendulum-nudge *is* a better idea, because it's more likely to show the device as OU. But both methods are fairly simple, why not do both and compare the results? Dan From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 18 00:37:34 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id AAA02842; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 00:37:10 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 00:37:10 -0700 (PDT) From: JNaudin509@aol.com Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 03:34:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970818033452_923541075@emout11.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com cc: harti@harti.com Subject: Re: A Scalar Wave generator, The TEP V2.1 Resent-Message-ID: <"bRrs52.0.Ji.Zk_zp"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5201 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On 18/08/1997 02:42:43 , Stefan Hartman wrote : << does your current go very ofetn also into the negative direction on the scope pics ? Where is the ground line ( 0 amp line )? Please let me knwo. Regards, Stefan. - >> The best case is obtain an average of negative pulses......you see what I mean... The battery is not connected to the ground, the 0 amp line showed in the V2.2 scheme in my web, is the ground scope line ( point C) , in some case of measurements the negative pole of the battery. I am convinced know that the way of Overunity is to build a BIG AIR CORE COIL (Translator), the coil's volume has a MAJOR role in the free energy tapping, like a tesla coil.... Sincerely, ( This mail has been sent at 07h26 GMT on 18 August 97 ) Jean-Louis Naudin ( France / GMT+2 ) Email : JNaudin509@aol.com my Overunity WEB Server : http://members.aol.com/JNaudin509/ WWPager: http://wwp.mirabilis.com/747846 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 18 02:34:11 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id CAA09515; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 02:33:42 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 02:33:42 -0700 Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 21:32:07 +1000 Message-Id: <199708181132.VAA25369@main.murray.net.au> X-Sender: egel@main.murray.net.au (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Geoff Egel Subject: Re: Solaris Free energy Troubled downloads Resent-Message-ID: <"m7VPu3.0.VK2.rR1-p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5202 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 08:36 PM 8/15/97 -0700, you wrote: For those that have had trouble downloading my enclopedia of free energy The following information may be of interest to you. I have made some modifications to the 1.44 meg zip file and broke it into five smaller zips you should be able to download them now at the following site >http://geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135/free.htm Geoff Egel Web sites >http://www2.murray.net.au/users/egel http://geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135 http://members.tripod.com/~geoffegel From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 18 05:49:20 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id FAA08694; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 05:48:42 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 05:48:42 -0700 Sender: ralph@gateway.minimal.com Message-ID: <33F8449E.6758B81@minimal.com> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 08:48:30 -0400 From: ralph muha X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; Linux 2.0.30 i486) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: more interesting reading Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"YCsn12.0.l72.fI4-p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5203 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: http://renshaw.teleinc.com/ quoting from http://renshaw.teleinc.com/intro.stm > Relativity Never Happened: The Restoration of Space and Time. > By Curt Renshaw > > At the turn of the twentieth century, the special and general theories > of relativity were developed to reconcile the extraordinary > mathematical derivations of Maxwell's electromagnetic theory with the > experimentally observed properties of light and gravity. The Michelson > and Morley interferometer experiments demonstrated that light has an > apparent constant velocity independent of any particular frame of > reference. Lorentz and Einstein took this one observable > characteristic of light, and, treating it as an absolute > characteristic, developed a theory by which motion slows time and > contracts length, and velocities no longer add in a common sense way. > Combining this new model with Newton's laws of conservation of energy > and momentum then required also that mass increase with velocity. This > set an upper limit on attainable velocities at c, the speed of light, > since reaching this speed would require infinite energy. > Generalization of the special theory to the case of free-fall in a > gravitational field produced the theory that gravity curves space and > time. The end result is a universe that is not only counterintuitive, > but is practically beyond the bounds of reason to the lay-person. > > The weakness in the foundation of Einstein's theories lies in the > assumption that the observed or measured invariant velocity of light > represents an actual behavior of the light itself. This observed > characteristic forms the basis for Einstein's second postulate: "The > velocity of light is constant from all inertial frames of reference." > The radiation continuum model (RCM) begins by modifying the second > postulate to more precisely state: "The observed velocity of light is > constant from all inertial frames of reference." From here RCM is > developed. This model and its subsequent implications provide a > complete and comprehensive alternative to the special and general > theories of relativity, totally grounded in intuitive > Galilean-Newtonian physics. The entire theory is developed from > first-principles with no ad hoc assumptions, and contains no > inexplicable constants whose values must be determined by experiment. > Throughout the text, the classic "tests" of the special and general > theories are addressed in detail. In every instance, the RCM produces > results indistinguishable from relativity theory. These tests include > the Michelson-Morley interferometer experiments, the Pound-Rebka > gravitational red-shift measurements at Harvard, round the world > time-lagged clocks experiments, the Scout-D rocket time-delay and > gravitational red-shift measurements, the perihelion advance of > Mercury, the deflection of starlight by the sun, the time-delay of > light grazing the sun, mass increase in particle accelerators, and > synchrotron radiation. The end result is a complete theory of light, > motion and gravity that is simpler and more elegant than relativity > theory, and that can be fully grasped by the lay person. > > However, a theory that simply explains the same experimental results > of accepted theories is of little value. This is where the differences > between RCM theory and relativity become important. A comprehensive > analysis under RCM of the famous twin paradox demonstrates that time > dilation is an illusion, while the slowing of clocks in motion remains > valid. RCM theory lifts the theoretical relativistic constraints on > attainable velocities, thus allowing the plausibility of instantaneous > communication over great distances and space travel at speeds reaching > or exceeding c. We learn that the current search for extraterrestrial > intelligence (SETI) program is about as effective as listening for > intergalactic drum beats--we are effectively looking for cars > traveling the interstates at twenty miles per hour, ignoring the > thousands of cars zipping by at fifty to seventy miles per hour and > above. When RCM theory is applied to the paradoxes of quantum > theory--all of which arise only due to stubborn acceptance of > Einstein's second postulate--these paradoxes are replaced by images so > clear and accessible it is inconceivable that they have been missed > for so long. As importantly, a fresh approach to the "basic" laws of > physics will spur fundamental advancement in areas of research that > have atrophied since the advent of relativity theory. Einstein himself > remarked, "Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of > the truth." From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 18 08:00:58 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id HAA13181; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 07:59:44 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 07:59:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33F88C18.3C7B@tiac.net> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 10:53:28 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Reply-To: bshannon@tiac.net Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: A switched bifilar (scalar :-) parametric circuit References: <199708180149.LAA28508@nornet.nor.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"E5Wlb1.0.pD3.TD6-p"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5204 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: openway@nor.com.au wrote: > > > Although the study of scalar effects is inherently interesting and > >valuable, I don't believe it is necessary to invoke scalar waves to > >demonstrate overunity with a device similar to the TEP. Consider circuit 1 > >in the attached GIF. This is the basic parametric inductive circuit. It > >is known (maybe not WELL known) that if the inductance in this circuit is > >varied periodically at freq F, an oscillating current will develop at F/2. > > > > Were you bitten by a scalar dog as a young child? > > Doesn't the variable inductor work by opposing fields? That generates > scalars. As does the TEP-type bifiliar configurations. If you gave > consideration to how scalar vectors may be converged, by the geometry of the > device, to produce a second order electrical potential, things would soon > fall into place. Actually, in Fred's original article, only half of the bifilar coil was energized, so at that point its all conventional EM. At a later time, the second bifilar winding is energised, and will oppose the existing field of the first bifilar winding, this is flux distortion, not superposition, and therefore may not produce a scalar! Exactly how the two windings will reach equlibrium is not quite clear to me at this time. I suspect that what Fred suggests wil at all time remain fully conventional, as it lacks the fast dV/dt and non-inductive conditions known to produce scalar products. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 18 08:07:23 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id IAA28769; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 08:06:50 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 08:06:50 -0700 Message-ID: <33F88E0E.4EB8@tiac.net> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 11:01:50 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Reply-To: bshannon@tiac.net Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Help, still learning scalars References: <33F7E850.7794@idt.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Gu-G01.0.P17.9K6-p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5205 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Josef Martin Katz wrote: > > hi, could someone help me out and explain me exactly why to intersecting > scalars release "normal" EM? thanks. If the opposition of EM vectors results in this 'other' form of potentials we call a scalar wave, then we should be able to reverse this process, and by the interference of these 'other' forms of potentials, we can return to the arangement we know as conventional EM. If two scalar potentials have opposite signs, then we have a vector potential difference between them, which describes a vector, or what we call EM! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 18 08:13:22 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id IAA15029; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 08:12:22 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 08:12:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33F88F11.4C4@tiac.net> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 11:06:09 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Reply-To: bshannon@tiac.net Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Same voltage used on two coil test ? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"s9RSt1.0.jg3.GP6-p"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5206 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Evan Soule wrote: > Consider also a straight length of wire (which contains copper atoms with > aligned atomic domains as voltage is applied) which produces a magnetic > field as input is applied -- where there are no "turns" of wire. Wrong, to carry current, we have a closed circuit, a loop, with a minimum of 1 turn Evan. Also, a current flowing in a vacuum has no copper mass, but has a magnetic field, so copper is not the key to the magnetic field. In addition, that copper had no magnetic field until the current bagan to flow, so the copper is not 'magnetic' in the conventional sense. There is also that pesky littel FACT that the energy of the magnetic field is always directly proportional to the total energy over time used to build that magnetic field, large coil or small. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 18 08:24:08 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id IAA32706; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 08:23:37 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 08:23:37 -0700 Message-ID: <33F891F9.D04@tiac.net> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 11:18:33 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Reply-To: bshannon@tiac.net Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: SMOT Mk2 Beta 4 "Rollaway" verification References: <199708180650.XAA09382@franc.ucdavis.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"x9HVd.0.x-7.uZ6-p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5207 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dan Quickert wrote: > > Bob Shannon wrote: > > >A simple known-weight, non-magnetic pendulem could swing down from a > >fixed starting point, and strike the ball with a known, repeatable > >force. > > > That's a good way to do the 'nudge start'. The pendulum idea makes it more > reasonable to me, I could see starting the ball that way. (but you should > have a good gated-start for the pendulum to be sure its swing is uniform!) Agreed. > > and > > > > >But what about the fact that your starting the test with the bal already > >in the field of the ramp? This 'stacks the deck' with energy that is > >difficult to measure. > > > > Yes, it stacks the deck, but I think not in the direction you see. When the > ball is moved toward the mag field to place it in the starting position, its > p.e. relative to the field is decreased, and that energy came from the > field. So to get the ball there you've drawn energy from the system, but the > system gets no 'credit' for that energy since you stop the ball and make it > start again from the lower-energy position. Hmmmm, I understand that once a bit of metal has been attracted to a magnet it is in a lower energy state, or had an 'energy debt' we must pay back when we remove the bit of metal from the magnet, but WE expended energy to put that ball on the track, and to hold ot back from the attraction of the magnets. We cannot easily measure this energy, its an unknown quantity. This is why I prefer a 'nudge' start, we CAN measure the input energy. > It's kind of like measuring the > energy in a compressed spring by having it eject a ball into the air, and > measuring how far the ball flies - but you stop the spring's motion after it > has uncompressed a bit, then let it go again. The ball won't go as far as it > would have if you didn't interfere, so your measurement of the spring's > energy will come out short. Same with the mag ramp, starting the ball from a > bit within the field doesn't allow the magnet's force to act on the ball for > as long a distance, so it won't gain as much momentum as it would if you > nudged the ball in from farther away. You're wasting a bit of the mag > potential. Greg really does not appear to like the spring analogy! I'm not at all interested in the performance differences between 'nudge' or gate starts, only in collecting good data, with as few unknowns as practical. > Heck, maybe the pendulum-nudge *is* a better idea, because it's more likely > to show the device as OU. But both methods are fairly simple, why not do > both and compare the results? > > Dan Nothing wrong with that idea! We might even learn something about the 'pre-load' enrgies of the gate start! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 18 08:29:19 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id IAA01347; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 08:28:59 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 08:28:59 -0700 Message-ID: <33F8932F.630A@tiac.net> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 11:23:43 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Reply-To: bshannon@tiac.net Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: A switched bifilar (scalar :-) parametric circuit References: <199708180149.LAA28508@nornet.nor.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"HkQtO.0.tK.we6-p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5208 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: openway@nor.com.au wrote: > Doesn't the variable inductor work by opposing fields? That generates > scalars. As does the TEP-type bifiliar configurations. If you gave > consideration to how scalar vectors may be converged, by the geometry of the > device, to produce a second order electrical potential, things would soon > fall into place. I'm very confused by the phrase "...how scalar vectors may be...." Scalars and vectors are diametrically opposed concepts. What is a 'scalar vector'? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 18 08:52:20 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id IAA07631; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 08:51:44 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 08:51:44 -0700 Message-ID: <33F8988B.7364@tiac.net> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 11:46:35 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Reply-To: bshannon@tiac.net Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Parametrics & scalars. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"gCWSg1.0.8t1.E-6-p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5209 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Ok Parametric fans (Fred), Here is an interesting little trick you might want to play with: In the May 11, 1995 issue of EDN (Electronic Design News) on page 132, in the Design Ideas section, we find a little gem of an article called "Two cores marry, make swinging choke". (DI #1692) (Who said engineers were a dull lot!) This article shows how gapped and an ungapped ferrite cores can be combined to make an inductor whos inductance changes dramatically as a function of the current through that inductor. At low currents, the ungapped core dominates, and we have high inductance. As the current rises, the ungapped core will saturate and its contributions to the net inductance of the coil drops to essentially zero, so we have only the effect of the ungapped core which gives us out high current inductance. Unfortunately, this seems to be the reverse of what Fred is looking for, although the swing in inductance of teh example coil is quite large ( 12.6 uH to 488 uH). I hope this is not that pesky thermodynamics acting up again, ruining our free energy lunch! (That darn second law is worse than ants at a picnic!) A brief thought on Parametrics and scalars: We may be able to explain parametric effects using scalar theory, but scalar effects cannot be described by parametric effects alone. Personally, I cannot see how parametric effects can be used to construct an 'open' system, one that may tap some external sources of energy. If we construct a closed system, it will be fully conserviative. Energy conservation is very real, and well proven, the key to 'free' energy lies in learning how to construct 'open' systems, which are not restricted to conservative (under unity) operation. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 18 09:45:48 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id JAA22935; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 09:44:53 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 09:44:53 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970818114502.006a498c@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 11:45:02 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: Re: Parametrics & scalars. In-Reply-To: <33F8988B.7364@tiac.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"i0dwZ.0.Bc5.2m7-p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5210 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 11:46 8/18/97 -0700, Bob Shannon wrote: >In the May 11, 1995 issue of EDN (Electronic Design News) on page 132, >in the Design Ideas section, we find a little gem of an article called >"Two cores marry, make swinging choke". (DI #1692) > >(Who said engineers were a dull lot!) Common misconception....propaganda started by business majors, talk about dull! >This article shows how gapped and an ungapped ferrite cores can be >combined to make an inductor whos inductance changes dramatically as a >function of the current through that inductor. Another way to obtain that characteristic is to play with the gap geometry...put a step in the gap that saturates, which causes a change in inductance. (It's a good trick to use when you have a customer require that a 10A 24V converter still work when loaded at 80mA.) By machining a step in a core piece, or sawing part way through a toroid, you can obtain a closer fit to your needs than sandwiching various gaped and ungapped cores together. Using a combination of different materials works too...like combining a ferrite, and an MPP toroid. A novel idea that was published in the seventies, I can't recall the magazine, was the inclusion of materials like copper, or aluminum in the gap. There were graphs of the modification to the BH curves that various non-ferromagnetic materials produced. I couldn't verify these claims, but I did see the expected eddy current losses, which were not really addressed in the article. I toyed with this idea, using it reduce the Q, trying to avoid snubbing the leakage inductance...and got the best results with a particular alloy of phosbronze (highly resistive). Best Regards, JD From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 18 09:52:00 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id JAA24965; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 09:51:29 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 09:51:29 -0700 X-Sender: wharton@128.183.200.226 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <33F53E6A.4E23@sunherald.infi.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 12:51:18 -0400 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Larry Wharton Subject: Re: Gravity and magnetism Resent-Message-ID: <"ZBiy53.0.-56.Gs7-p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5211 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >A bit of proof that physics fails when explaining magnetics: > >Consider the neutron star. A ball of neutrons more massive than the sun, >yet only 20 mile in diameter. Its made entierly of neutrons because the >protons and electorns have fused. It is electrically NEUTRAL. It rotates >several time a second. The weird thing? It has a MAGNETIC field! Most Neutrons have a magnetic moment and they would tend to line up thus producing a net intrinsic magnetic field. This is just the normal effect of a paramagnetic material. Lawrence E. Wharton NASA/GSFC code 913 Greenbelt MD 20771 (301) 286-3486 Email - wharton@climate.gsfc.nasa.gov From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 18 12:01:44 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id MAA29266; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 12:00:21 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 12:00:21 -0700 Message-ID: <33F8C4BE.37B8@tiac.net> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 14:55:10 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Reply-To: bshannon@tiac.net Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Barkhausen Battery ? Scalar waves FAQ ? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"2NXue1.0.597.3l9-p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5212 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: ralph muha wrote: > Actually, I've been playing around with a Hodowanec 'detector' > (ie, amplified capacitor) and I've reached the same conclusion > as you did, as to the efficacy of that device. Nevertheless, > it's an interesting exercise, as well as a great 1/f noise > generator. While the output is full of 1/f noise, there are other things hidden in there as well. It's not a good detector design, but it may well detect something. We still have cases where multiple Hodowanec detectors react to the same external stimuli, if you can get through all the noise.... > One of the configurations that I tried was two caps in series > across the op amp (TL082) with a DC bias applied in the middle. > This cleans up the 'signal' a great deal, although I still have > to take it in to work and look at the spectrum. Get a sound card fro your PC, and download GRAM23. Try a web search for 'Natural Radio' and you should find a download site for this excellent software. You will be able to do spectral analisis through your PC sound board under Windows. > > > [...] > > > >But more directly, different types of "translators" (Bifilar, trifilar, > >caduceus, paired phased transmission lines, etc.) are observed to have a > >very significant effect on detection ranges and levels. > > How do trifiliars work? I've heard of these, but have never seen any > circuit examples... Ok, I've had a few questions on these, so some explaination is in order. We have three wires rather than the two used in a bifilar coil. Rather than pumping current through the low ohmic resistance of bifilar windings, we can use the 'extra' winding of a trifilar coil to excite the remaining windings (connected in the standard bifilar, opposed configuration) rather like a transformer. the problem with these is the massive impeadance mismatch caused by the other two conductors being in opposition. We need to be very careful about matching our impeadances, or we wil see HUGE reflected energy back from the third winding. It's easy to see what LOOKS like 400% reflected energy if our mismatch is really bad. > >What is odd here, is that different detector designs each seem to prefer > >some specific detector geometeries over others. One of the geometeries > >that has the broadest appeal is the good old bifilar coil. > > By 'designs' do you mean the circuitry around the detector, > or something else? Something else. In the Barkhausen effect detector article, I've outlined detectors that use magnetic modulation, as well as electrostatic modulation. There are many more possibilities for detector designs. We could construct quantum interfernece detectors, like SQUID's, plasma based detectors like the Neon detectors people have played with, and even more exotic detectors appear quite practicqal. One of my favorite design concepts is to use the Electrostatic Aharnov-Bohm effect for a detector. This might envolve injecting short pulses, 10 nanoseconds or so, into very long coaxial cables. Once the pulse has fully entered the cable, we charge the shield of the cable to a known value as the pulse propogates along the center conductor. Before the pulse reaches the end of our cable, we must fully discharge the shield. Its critically important that the cables electrical lenghts be far greater than the injected pulse width, and that fast analog switches at each end of the cable be timed correctly to permit pulse enery and exit, but to keep the line seperated from the rest of the dectector while the pulses are propogating. Any distortions of the timing (duration & phase) of the pulse after it exits the cable may show the effects of the electrostatic version of the Aharnov-Bohm effect. In practice, two or more such coaxial cables would each be wound up into coils, and placed on seperate axies. Relative differences in the distortions detected on each axis may reveal information about the internal geometeries of the scalar potentials causing the electrostatic Aharnov-Bohm effects. The hard part is to charge, and discharge the cable shields quickly enough. As there is a lot of capacitance here, we are goind to dissapte a great deal of energy here. Fast analog switches are also cirtical for the coax lines, and fast methods to control the charge on the shield of the cables. Of course, the whole mess needs to be fully EM shielded as well. Banks of such cables might be phased such that we at all times have pulses in propogation and analisis, for constant operation. (we only know the effect of the pulse propogating after it exits the cable, so 'detection' is not constant, we only get samples at a rate that is a function of the cable length.) Anyway, there are many ways to design scalar detectors! > >Just keep the energy down in the milliwatts for this testing, higher > >energy is for single-shot pulse mode, just for safety. > > Yes, I was going to ask you why the need for 'heavy artillery' in the > pulse generator, when it seems like a 555 into a current driver with > a bifiliar load would be sufficient. How much scalar background noise are you expecting to find? We need to keep the SNR's up, but the pulse generator shown in the article was designed a long time ago, and you can use much smaller caps. I presented this design because it is what was used in a great deal of my early testing of the Barkhausen effect detector. Anyone wanting to reproduce those early demonstrations would need to have information on the exact equipment used in that testing. "Heavy artillery" is the 5K joule and up range! I think the pulse generator I show in only in the 50 joule range. (I've poked around a bit in the 10K + joule range, really scarey stuff!!!! No, you cannot return a collection of melted balls of metal that used to be a Craftsman wrench for a free replacement, you have to be able to read the word Craftsman on whats left of the wrench to get a replacement! I once dropped a 1/2 inch wrench across a 40 KV, 14 uF cap, with only 11 nanoHeneries of series inductance, BLAM, no more wrench! Thats something like 11,200 joules!) > OTOH, what sort of scalar pulse could you generate by firing > a high current pulse thru a spool of radio shack speaker wire > with one end shorted (and perhaps staked on a ferrite rod)? Not such a shabby one at all, given a fast rise time, etc!!! What is critical is the ratio of conductor diameter to interconductor spacing. Use LARGE diamter wire, spaced as close as possible. The math for this can be found in antenna design theroy, as written in the ARRL 'Good books' (Radio amatures handbooks). Maybe some of our Ham radio members have quick access to the formulae and theory behind this? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 18 12:41:47 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id MAA08642; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 12:41:07 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 12:41:07 -0700 X-Sender: josephnewman@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 14:44:59 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: Re: Same voltage used on two coil test ? Resent-Message-ID: <"Ptacz2.0.w62.HLA-p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5213 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >Evan Soule' wrote: > >> Consider also a straight length of wire (which contains copper atoms with >> aligned atomic domains as voltage is applied) which produces a magnetic >> field as input is applied -- where there are no "turns" of wire. > >Wrong, to carry current, we have a closed circuit, a loop, with a >minimum of 1 turn Evan. By conventional definition, current is the "movement of electrons through a conductor." If one passes a length of copper wire through a magnetic field "electrons" (conventional paradigm) or "gyroscopic particles (Joseph Newman's paradigm) will begin to flow along said conductor. Now, if you are speaking in terms of a battery with voltage applied to the wire (with the wire directly running between the terminals) -- there is _no_ physical turn(s) of copper wire --- and it would be correct that the battery itself would "complete the circuit" (sans copper wire). Ditto in terms of how "large" one wants to consider a given "turn": if one cuts a hole in your sheetrock, reach into your wall and grab hold of a "live" copper wire (which appears "straight" within the parameters of your wall) one will very quickly discover whether that length of wire is carrying current or not! :-) > >Also, a current flowing in a vacuum has no copper mass, but has a >magnetic field, so copper is not the key to the magnetic field. If one was familiar with Joseph Newman's work, one would understand that current "consisting of gyroscopic particles" can be manifested in a variety of ways. I don't recall Joseph Newman ever stating that "copper is key to the magnetic field" (in a general sense) -- copper is the vehicle (within the specific parameter of a conductor) by which its atomic domains are, for instance, aligned by the applied voltage to produce the magnetic field about the conductor. > >In addition, that copper had no magnetic field until the current bagan >to flow, so the copper is not 'magnetic' in the conventional sense. And, as Joe has stated, "The prior teachings indicate that copper is non-magnetic and that the resulting magnetic field associated with current flow in copper is the result of the current. Those teachings are totally wrong. Copper is extremely magnetic! It is so magnetic that it deceives the observer." > >There is also that pesky littel FACT that the energy of the magnetic >field is always directly proportional to the total energy over time used >to build that magnetic field, large coil or small. Your statement could be interpreted to imply that a small coil would require less time to achieve maximum magnetic field strength than a large coil (where both coils have the same air-core diameters and same-size gauges). Evan Soule' From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 18 13:01:40 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id NAA15113; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 13:00:54 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 13:00:54 -0700 Message-ID: <33F5709F.6201@dial.pipex.com> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 09:19:27 +0000 From: Duncan and Janette X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bshannon@tiac.net CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: SMOT Mk2 Beta 4 "Rollaway" verification References: <33F3F66E.57EAD412@microtronics.com.au> <33F52044.6E34@tiac.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Qnwyx3.0.xh3.pdA-p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5214 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Bob Shannon wrote: > > Greg Watson wrote: > > > > HI All, > > > > I have put up info on the SMOT Mk2 Beta 4 OverUnity "Rollaway" > > verification process. Its on my SMOT page. > > > > PLEASE review and COMMENT. > > > > I want this OverUnity verification to be SOILD and accepted by ALL. > > A simple question, but not a suggestion: > > Lets assume we had a way o inject exactly equal ammounts of kenetic > energy on each trial. > > ( "Ooh, you pushed it harder that time!!", "No I didn't!", "Did to, I > saw you..." "Oh, you dirty liar", [insert fovorite Monty Python sketch], > and so on.) > > So, we push the ball on the test track, 5mm. Cool, we try the other > direction, 5mm, ok, we try several spots along the test track and all > that, everything is fine, 5mm either way. > > Maybe we even test the ramp, sans magnets, at the exit rollaway area, > and again we always get 5 mm, no bias. Excellent, level playing field!! > One could make a spring loaded pushing device with a switch/button release, similar to pinball pusher to try and ensure same input of push each time. Duncan From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 18 13:05:24 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id NAA16543; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 13:04:48 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 13:04:48 -0700 From: HLafonte@aol.com Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 16:04:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970818160238_1318406946@emout09.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Time constant of coils, secret to it all ? Resent-Message-ID: <"gY7qt3.0.N24.UhA-p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5215 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: To all: From Butch LaFonte After taking a close look at the time constant of coils, I may have found something very interesting. Facts from electrical engineering handbook: 1. It takes 5 time constants for current to rise to just over 99% of maximum, effectively 100%. 2. Each time constant is 63.2% of maximum current. 3. Formula is t = L / R (Time constant (in seconds) = inductance / resistance) 4 henrys / 10 ohms = 0.4 second 5 x 0.4 = 2 seconds (total time to rise to maximum current flow) 4. Doubling the inductance, doubles the time constant. 5. Inductance only effects the current when it is changing. 6. 63.2% of the maximum current flow takes place during the first time constant. Then the second time constant is 63.2% of remaining 36.8% or a total of 86.4%. Then the third time constant is 63.2% of 13.6% or a total of 94.9%. Then the forth time constant is 63.2% of 5.1%or a total of 98.1% Then the fifth time constant is 63.2% of 1.9% or a total over 99%, effectively 100% You will notice a lot of time goes by during the second, third, forth, and fifth time constant, with very little current increase relative to time when you compare the current increase relative to time during the first time constant( 63.2 % OF MAXIMUM IN ONLY ONE TIME CONSTANT ) PLEASE NOTE: During the remaining time constants ( 4 ), the 63.2% OF MAXIMUN CURRENT IS STILL FLOWING THROUGH THE BATTERY (OR POWER SOURCE) !!! This makes one wonder if attempts at overunity in coils should take place during the first time constant, or a fraction there of ! Also let's look at two different coil setups. FIRST COIL : 1. 5 henrys / 10 ohms = 0.5 second time constant x 5 = 2.5 seconds to rise to maximum current. If voltage is 10 volts DC then maximum current is volts divided by resistance = 1 amp, watts = 10 watts. The first time constant produced wattage between zero and 0.5 seconds up to 6.32 watts The wattage continued to increase during the next 4 time constants, BUT the circuit didn't stop producing the 6.32 watts while the current increased during the next 4 time constants, it produced the 6.32 watts for 2 seconds plus the increase in watts above 6.32 watts, but for a gain of only 36.8% of the maximun current rate of the coil. THIS IN MY OPINION WAS A WASTE OF ENERGY. The inductance you get in henrys for the wattage you produce during a time period has a better payoff durring the first or a FRACTION OF THE FIRST TIME CONSTANT , a short burst so to speak. SECOND COIL : 2. 5 henrys / 10 ohms = 0.5 second time constant x 5 = 2.5 seconds to rise to maximum current. If switch on time is held to 0.5 seconds, then 63.2% of maximum current and field strength is produced for only 0.5 seconds, producing less than 6.32 watts during a 0.5 second period. At the end of this period, 63.2% of field strength is established. Field strength to energy output ratio for two coils: coil # 1 5 henrys established after producing the mean wattage between 0 and 0.5 seconds, plus 6.32 watts for 2 seconds plus the mean wattage increase between 0.5 and 2.5 seconds. coil # 2 3.16 henrys established after the mean wattage between 0 and 0.5 seconds. It looks like # 2 gets the better deal to me ! Your comments, Butch LaFonte Note: If this proves correct, then I have something very interesting to report. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 18 13:45:35 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id NAA28972; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 13:44:59 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 13:44:59 -0700 From: Keasy@aol.com Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 16:44:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970818164219_-1470969261@emout02.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Power from battery to resistor, no wires Resent-Message-ID: <"p5ihU3.0.a47.9HB-p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5216 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Greetings All, A week or so ago I mentioned on this list it appears to be possible, using only conventional EM theory, to power a resistor from a battery for short times with no wire between the two. There was some interest, so I have described it on a web page and added a link from my home page. Incidently, a scaler field (two vector fields adding to zero?) is involved, although I understand little of scaler field theory. To reach the page, go to the bottom of http://members.aol.com/Keasy and click on POWER PAGE. Ken Keasy@aol.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 18 14:16:13 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id OAA05021; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 14:14:54 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 14:14:54 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970818161453.006a11e4@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 16:14:53 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: Re: Time constant of coils, secret to it all ? In-Reply-To: <970818160238_1318406946@emout09.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"4dZbK.0.JE1.BjB-p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5217 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 16:04 8/18/97 -0400, you wrote: >To all: From Butch LaFonte >This makes one wonder if attempts at overunity in coils should take place >during the first time constant, or a fraction there of ! Say, you forgot to subtract the counter EMF from self-induction, which is in superposition with the voltage source (the battery.) Let's say you have a 120VDC source, and a solenoid of 10 Ohms, and 2 Henries. A current of 12A will flow in the circuit which means 1440W dissipated in the solenoid's resistance...after the counter EMF has been over come. Initially the growth of the current is rapid, say 50A/Sec So,from -E=L(dI/dT)...2x50=100V. The solenoid current is then (120V-100V)/10 Ohms=2A. The instantaneous power is 20Vx2A=40W. Later as the current growth has fallen to say 10A/Sec 2x10=20V The solenoid current is then (120-20)/10 Ohms=10A the instantaneous power is 100Vx10A=1000W Also, in establishing the magnetic field, work must be done against the EMF of self-induction. This energy then resides in the magnetic field...less the I^2R and other losses. Best Regards, JD ------------------------------------- E-mail to mules@palacenet.net ------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 18 14:51:59 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id OAA18630; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 14:51:11 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 14:51:11 -0700 Message-Id: <199708182152.OAA12842@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: Parametrics & scalars. Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 13:58:37 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"yI2E8.0.gY4.AFC-p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5218 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Jack, Bob, and all! > > At 11:46 8/18/97 -0700, Bob Shannon wrote: > >In the May 11, 1995 issue of EDN (Electronic Design News) on page 132, > >in the Design Ideas section, we find a little gem of an article called > >"Two cores marry, make swinging choke". (DI #1692) > > > >(Who said engineers were a dull lot!) > > Common misconception....propaganda started by business majors, talk > about dull! There's nothing more boring than money, or the making therof. > > Another way to obtain that characteristic is to play with the gap > geometry.. Thanks for the ideas, Jack Of course if I come up with something that might be O/U I will probably beg you to build it for me, so you should watch out what you tell me :-) Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 18 14:52:06 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id OAA18679; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 14:51:21 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 14:51:21 -0700 Message-Id: <199708182152.OAA04185@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: "Free Energy" , Subject: Re: Parametrics & scalars. Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 13:48:51 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"5b3Hl3.0.uY4.BFC-p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5219 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Bob and all > Ok Parametric fans (Fred), Somewhere out there is someone else who cares :-) > > Here is an interesting little trick you might want to play with: > > In the May 11, 1995 issue of EDN (Electronic Design News) on page 132, > in the Design Ideas section, we find a little gem of an article called > "Two cores marry, make swinging choke". (DI #1692) Thanks for the tip, Bob, I will check it out! > Unfortunately, this seems to be the reverse of what Fred is looking for, > although the swing in inductance of teh example coil is quite large > ( 12.6 uH to 488 uH). I don't think it really matters whether the L goes up or down when current is applied, as long as the variation of L is large for the applied control current. > I hope this is not that pesky thermodynamics acting up again, ruining > our free energy lunch! (That darn second law is worse than ants at a > picnic!) Have got some Raid for them :-) Like many areas of science it all looks hermetically sealed from the outside, but when you start looking at the questions and perplexities of actual thermodynamicists, you realize that there are plenty of open questions. > > A brief thought on Parametrics and scalars: > > We may be able to explain parametric effects using scalar theory, How? And why would you need to? Parametric effects are explainable by the basic laws of physics-- absolutely nothing unusual about them. but scalar effects cannot be described by parametric effects alone. That's for sure, otherwise I would understand them :-) > > Personally, I cannot see how parametric effects can be used to construct > an 'open' system, one that may tap some external sources of energy. If > we construct a closed system, it will be fully conserviative. > > Energy conservation is very real, and well proven, the key to 'free' > energy lies in learning how to construct 'open' systems, which are not > restricted to conservative (under unity) operation. That is ONE way to create free energy. However I suggest that there may be another-- by messing with the time constants of the system. Most scientists take it completely for granted that time is an absolute entity that does not undergo acceleration or deceleration in isolated systems. This is a supposition and not an observation of reality. In fact our own subjective experience would appear to indicate the opposite. In addition studies in materials science indicate that material phenomena like creep and elasticity are better understood using an endochronic time scale that cannot be placed in one to one correspondence with our own. In addition the consideration of time as an absolute leads to problems on cosmological scales. Etc Etc. If time is different in a "conservative" system than in the instruments measuring the energy in that system, the instruments will show overunity even though conservation laws are still in application. Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 18 14:57:13 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id OAA21063; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 14:55:52 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 14:55:52 -0700 Message-Id: <199708182157.OAA16460@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: "Free Energy" , Subject: Re: A switched bifilar (scalar :-) parametric circuit Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 13:21:15 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"eU60U.0.S85.YJC-p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5220 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Bob and all, > Actually, in Fred's original article, only half of the bifilar coil was > energized, so at that point its all conventional EM. > > At a later time, the second bifilar winding is energised, and will > oppose the existing field of the first bifilar winding, this is flux > distortion, not superposition, and therefore may not produce a scalar! > > Exactly how the two windings will reach equlibrium is not quite clear to > me at this time. I suspect that what Fred suggests wil at all time > remain fully conventional, as it lacks the fast dV/dt and non-inductive > conditions known to produce scalar products. This is interesting. So the scalar effects you are referring to are always pulses, occuring in the first nS of current. This is something I didn't see clearly before. Well, then what is the L of a steady state "noninductive" coil? It must be a lot lower than a normal one, anyway... This idea doesn't require a zero inductance, just a large variation of L during a cycle. Since the design doesn't depend on the creation of scalars it doesn't matter that scalars are not being created! Of course it still won't work...unless my ideas about time are valid. Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 18 15:28:44 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id PAA32012; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 15:28:06 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 15:28:06 -0700 Message-Id: <199708182229.PAA00937@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: "Free Energy" , "Maxwell" , "Stefan Hartmann" Subject: Flux-Switch Alternators Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 15:33:43 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"cYLSW1.0.5q7.pnC-p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5221 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi All, I have an article recommended by Maxwell called "Design Principles Of Flux-Switch Alternators" if anybody wants a copy. Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 18 15:36:52 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id PAA01842; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 15:36:17 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 15:36:17 -0700 Message-ID: <33F8F02B.6589@tiac.net> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 18:00:27 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Reply-To: bshannon@tiac.net Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Same voltage used on two coil test ? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"42U8p2.0.aS.UvC-p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5222 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Evan Soule wrote: > > >Evan Soule' wrote: > > > >> Consider also a straight length of wire (which contains copper atoms with > >> aligned atomic domains as voltage is applied) which produces a magnetic > >> field as input is applied -- where there are no "turns" of wire. > > > >Wrong, to carry current, we have a closed circuit, a loop, with a > >minimum of 1 turn Evan. > > By conventional definition, current is the "movement of electrons through a > conductor." If one passes a length of copper wire through a magnetic field > "electrons" (conventional paradigm) or "gyroscopic particles (Joseph > Newman's paradigm) will begin to flow along said conductor. > > Now, if you are speaking in terms of a battery with voltage applied to the > wire (with the wire directly running between the terminals) -- there is > _no_ physical turn(s) of copper wire --- and it would be correct that the > battery itself would "complete the circuit" (sans copper wire). Ditto in > terms of how "large" one wants to consider a given "turn": if one cuts a > hole in your sheetrock, reach into your wall and grab hold of a "live" > copper wire (which appears "straight" within the parameters of your wall) > one will very quickly discover whether that length of wire is carrying > current or not! :-) In the case of the battery, the battery itself is part of the circuit as you describe. The circuit is still a one turn loop. In any circuit, the number of turn is at a minimum of one, not zero. This is the conventional paradigm. > >Also, a current flowing in a vacuum has no copper mass, but has a > >magnetic field, so copper is not the key to the magnetic field. > > If one was familiar with Joseph Newman's work, one would understand that > current "consisting of gyroscopic particles" can be manifested in a variety > of ways. I don't recall Joseph Newman ever stating that "copper is key to > the magnetic field" (in a general sense) -- copper is the vehicle (within > the specific parameter of a conductor) by which its atomic domains are, for > instance, aligned by the applied voltage to produce the magnetic field > about the conductor. > > > >In addition, that copper had no magnetic field until the current bagan > >to flow, so the copper is not 'magnetic' in the conventional sense. > > And, as Joe has stated, "The prior teachings indicate that copper is > non-magnetic and that the resulting magnetic field associated with current > flow in copper is the result of the current. Those teachings are totally > wrong. Copper is extremely magnetic! It is so magnetic that it deceives > the observer." Well, its deceived at least one observer. If the magnetic field of a given current flowing in a vacuum is equal to the magnetic field of that same current flowing in a copper wire, could we say that the current is responsible for the magnetic field, and not the copper itself? > >There is also that pesky littel FACT that the energy of the magnetic > >field is always directly proportional to the total energy over time used > >to build that magnetic field, large coil or small. > > Your statement could be interpreted to imply that a small coil would > require less time to achieve maximum magnetic field strength than a large > coil (where both coils have the same air-core diameters and same-size > gauges). It could be interpreted this way, given a series of assumptions about the applied voltage and other factors are made. This is an important point of discussion in relation to the Two Coil test currently. Evan, you and I have gone the long way around the barn on this more than once. This discussion was moved from freenrg-l for several reasons. Some people are becomming interested in testing Mr. Newman's two coil test. Actual experimentation is what this list server is all about. Having tested the 'Two Coil' effect some time ago, I have declined to play a direct, active role in this comming round of testing, in order that I not effect the objectivity of any future testing. I will however play the role of an interested spectator, and offer my assistance, from a distance. Aside from that, I can see no benifit of our dragging the whole discussion of Mr. Newman's theory up again on this forum. The list server members made themselves quite clear the last time around. So lets let the testing begin! One set of tests is worth far more than any email exchanges we might ever have. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 18 15:37:03 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id PAA01952; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 15:36:37 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 15:36:37 -0700 Message-ID: <33F8F77A.28E4@tiac.net> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 18:31:38 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Reply-To: bshannon@tiac.net Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Time constant of coils, secret to it all ? References: <970818160238_1318406946@emout09.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"-Hl5e.0.7U.lvC-p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5223 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: HLafonte@aol.com wrote: > Also let's look at two different coil setups. > FIRST COIL : > 1. 5 henrys / 10 ohms = 0.5 second time constant x 5 = 2.5 seconds to rise to > maximum current. > If voltage is 10 volts DC then maximum current is volts divided by resistance > = 1 amp, watts = 10 watts. > SECOND COIL : > 2. 5 henrys / 10 ohms = 0.5 second time constant x 5 = 2.5 seconds to rise to > maximum current. I thought you were going to compare two DIFFERENT coils here? > Field strength to energy output ratio for two coils: > coil # 1 5 henrys established after producing the mean wattage between 0 and > 0.5 seconds, plus 6.32 watts for 2 seconds plus the mean wattage increase > between 0.5 and 2.5 seconds. Field strenght measured in "henrys"!? > coil # 2 3.16 henrys established after the mean wattage between 0 and 0.5 > seconds. > > It looks like # 2 gets the better deal to me ! > Your comments, > Butch LaFonte I think you should compare two different coils, after five time constants have passed. Also, Jack DeMule has some important points on the back EMF issue. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 18 15:44:28 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id PAA05442; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 15:43:52 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 15:43:52 -0700 Message-Id: <199708182245.PAA06159@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: "Free Energy" , Subject: Re: A switched bifilar (scalar :-) parametric circuit Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 15:49:33 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"dTYLd3.0.tK1.d0D-p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5224 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Bob, > > > This is interesting. So the scalar effects you are referring to are > > always pulses, occuring in the first nS of current. This is something I > > didn't see clearly before. > > Sort of Fred, fast dV/Dt is important, but we can have waveforms that > have fast dV/Dt's all the time. Oh, of course, I wasn't thinking. So a high output scalar generator would have a high frequency, high amplitude EM input? > > Of course it still won't work...unless my ideas about time are valid. > > Plug it in, and flick the switch. Lets see if the lights go on or not. > > Experiment is the only skeptic we ever have to persuade. True. The circuit is easy to build and I will build it. My problem is lack of test equipment. In order to know what the C value is I need to know what the base (non-bifilar) L of the coil is. How do I do that without an inductance meter? Or can I just calculate it and have it be close enough to pick a cap that will give resonance? Resonance has to be pretty exact for these parametric circuits... Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 18 18:00:18 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id RAA12855; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 17:59:05 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 17:59:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708190059.RAA30559@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: "Free Energy" , Subject: Probability waves Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 18:01:27 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"vZan03.0.j83.J_E-p"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Ken! You article about extraterrestrial communication using "EI" or probability waves was very thought provoking. I had toyed with the idea of using the tunneling probability of a tunnel diode as a detector of intelligent signals from ET or other-dimensional intelligences early in my studies. I even built a primitive detector with a tunnel diode in the King's chamber position of a model pyramid to see what would happen. Unfortunately at the time I didn't have a clue about the electronics involved, there's no way my detector could have worked. But the idea has stuck with me. According to your theory, would the tunneling probability in a tunnel diode be affected by these EI waves? It also seems like a tunnel diode might be used to detect scalars... just a possibility. Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 18 18:48:15 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id SAA21021; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 18:44:49 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 18:44:49 -0700 (PDT) From: HLafonte@aol.com Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 21:42:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970818214154_-1403691337@emout01.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Time constant of coils, secret to it all ? Resent-Message-ID: <"bVK8z3.0.D85.CgF-p"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: JD, Thanks for the input. Let me ask you to run the math if you will, for a super conducting coil, and the power supply is regulated to maintain 12 amps or more into the coil. Also would the work done by the power supply be stored in the magnetic field of the coil ? What would the amount of energy stored during each time constant be? Thanks, Butch From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 18 18:57:05 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id SAA22605; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 18:56:33 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 18:56:33 -0700 (PDT) To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 18:50:28 -0700 Subject: Monus Motors Message-ID: <19970818.185032.10246.1.tv@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-2,4-5,7-9,12-13,15-18 From: tv@juno.com (Tim D Vaughan) Resent-Message-ID: <"dxP3s.0.5X5.DrF-p"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: If you are interested in SMOTS and RMODs check out the article in Scientific American Volume 246 Issue 3 , 1982 on page 142. The title is "Motor in magnets attract other magnets in apparent perpetual motion". It deals with motors invented by a Paul Monus of Cleveland state University that used magnet arrays similar to SMOTs. Pay particular attention to the rotary version at the end of the article which uses a hidden electromagnet pulsed by a capacitor charged by ambient 60 hz picked up by a ferrite rod. My question is why is it neccessary to have the curved magnet arrays to keep it going ? Tim Vaughan ( tv@juno.com ) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 18 19:21:19 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id TAA15917; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 19:20:23 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 19:20:23 -0700 Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 19:20:08 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Newman 2-coil experiment Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"PU9683.0.Yu3.cBG-p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At the risk of starting up the long-running battle again, here are: SOME THOUGHTS ON JOSEPH NEWMAN'S TWO-COIL EXPERIMENTS Ampere's view: Magnetic field is caused by current and the number of turns. Newman's view: Magnetic field is caused by voltage and total mass of the copper How to judge which of the above is correct? It's not perfectly easy. If we attempt to prove Newman right by showing that a more massive coil gives a stronger field, we may unwittingly be using a LOWER RESISTANCE coil, which draws higher current from the battery. According to Ampere, higher current gives higher field, so a more massive coil also supports the predictions of Ampere, and cannot be used to judge which theory is more correct. Or we might unwittingly be using a coil with MORE TURNS, which also proves Ampere right as well as Newman. To choose between the Ampere theory and the Newman theory, we must find an experiment where the predictions of Newman's theory do not match the predictions of Ampere's. If we double the voltage to a coil, Newman predicts that we will double the field. But Ampere predicts the same thing, since doubling any voltage applied to a particular coil will double the current. It appears that changing the voltage to a coil cannot help us choose between the above theories. If we build two coils, one with double the diameter of the wire of the first coil, but keeping the wire length the same for both coils, this gives the second coil four times the mass. If the voltage to both coils is kept the same, Newman would predict that the field will be four times higher in the heavier one. But doubling the wire size also cuts the wire resistance to 1/4, which gives four times the current. Therefor Ampere predicts that the field will be four times higher in the heavier one. Therefor the use of different wire gauges tells us nothing! If we keep voltage the same and wire gauge the same but wind twice as much wire into a coil, we double the mass, double the resistance, and cut the current in half. But we also double the number of turns. Ampere predicts that the field will stay the same because doubled turns cancels out the halved current. Newman predicts that, since the mass is doubled, the field will double. Now finally we've found a difference in predictions. Therefor, to choose between Ampere and Newman, wind two coils using the same gauge of wire. Use twice as much wire in the bigger coil. Since coil shape affects the field strength, make both coils in about the same shape: multi-turn hoops of large diameter. Take 15 ft of #20 copper wire, wind it on an 8 in. form, then use electrical tape to make it into a ring, removing the form. Make a second identical coil but use 30ft of #20 wire. Connect both coils in parallel to a regulated voltage supply with high current capability, and set the voltage so a fairly large current passes through the wire (several amps total.) Use a gaussmeter and measure the magnetic field at the wire surface of each coil perpendicular to the direction of winding. (Keep the coils apart so their fields don't interact too much.) Compare the field strengths of the two coils. Does the larger coil have about twice the field strength of the smaller? If so, then Newman is right. Or are the field strengths about the same? If so, then Ampere is right. Am *I* correct in the above speculations? Or would Newman's theory actually say that since the wire length is doubled in the above experiment, then each bit of wire sees half as much voltage, and therefor the doubled mass cancels out the halved voltage, so the field would be about the same in both coils. If so, then the experiment above will not work, and both theories predict that both coils have the same field. Newman's theory and Ampere's theory would then give identical predictions for changes in wire length, wire diameter, and voltage, and there's no good way to decide which one is better. How about number of turns? If we use two identical wire sizes and two identical wire lengths, but wind one coil on a smaller diameter coil form, the smaller coil will have more turns. Voltage, mass, and current are the same in both coils. Wind two similar coils as above, using 30ft of #20 wire, but wind one on an 8 in. form, and the other on a 16 in. form. Test as before by applying the same voltage to both coils. If the field at the surface of the wire bundle is the same for both coils, then Newman is right. If the field is twice as strong at the surface of the smaller coil, then Ampere is right. Another suggestion: different metals have different masses and different resistances. Formulate two wire alloys which have identical masses, but design your alloy mix so that one has twice the resistance of the other. Extrude wire using the two alloys. Wind two identical coils but use the two different types of wire. (Wire length and gauge must be the same in both coils.) Newman's theory would say, that since the masses and voltages are the same, the fields will be the same. Ampere's would say that since the current in one coil is twice that of the other, then the field in that coil will also be about twice the strength of the other. Connect both coils to the same voltage, measure the field strength at the surface of the wire bundle, and see who "wins." .....................uuuu / oo \ uuuu........,............................. William Beaty voice:206-781-3320 bbs:206-789-0775 cserv:71241,3623 EE/Programmer/Science exhibit designer http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/ Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com SCIENCE HOBBYIST web page From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 18 19:25:08 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id TAA16604; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 19:24:56 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 19:24:56 -0700 Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 19:24:48 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: scalar EM paper Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"b4yNA1.0.K34.sFG-p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: APEIRON Journal, http://redshift.vif.com See a very interesting but nigh-impenetrable paper on re-doing Maxwell's Field Equations with scalar potentials, suggesting the existence of longitudinal EM waves. http://redshift.vif.com/Hfiles/v04n2mun.htm (Netscape, etc. needed to view the math symbols) .....................uuuu / oo \ uuuu........,............................. William Beaty voice:206-781-3320 bbs:206-789-0775 cserv:71241,3623 EE/Programmer/Science exhibit designer http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/ Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com SCIENCE HOBBYIST web page From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 18 19:32:23 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id TAA17915; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 19:32:02 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 19:32:02 -0700 From: openway@nor.com.au Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 12:31:52 +1000 Message-Id: <199708190231.MAA13933@nornet.nor.com.au> X-Sender: openway@pophost.nor.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Parametrics & scalars. Resent-Message-ID: <"mxpXX1.0.oN4.WMG-p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >> We may be able to explain parametric effects using scalar theory, > >How? And why would you need to? Parametric effects are explainable by the >basic laws of physics-- absolutely nothing unusual about them. > Laws and effects are observed behaviour, not explanations. >That is ONE way to create free energy. However I suggest that there may be >another-- by messing with the time constants of the system. These are the same thing. An "open" system is timeless. Peter Nielsen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 18 19:32:49 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id TAA17992; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 19:32:13 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 19:32:13 -0700 From: openway@nor.com.au Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 12:31:50 +1000 Message-Id: <199708190231.MAA13927@nornet.nor.com.au> X-Sender: openway@pophost.nor.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Parametrics & scalars. Resent-Message-ID: <"Ts3lz2.0.bO4.eMG-p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >We may be able to explain parametric effects using scalar theory, but >scalar effects cannot be described by parametric effects alone. > I hate to mention it, but there is another potentially scalar function in these parametric circuits, i.e. energizing the tank circuit at twice its resonant frequency, thereby creating a null point in the conductor. This is similar in effect to the crossovers of a caduceus coil, and how "nodes", in a conventional antenna, effect transmission with no apparent intervening force. >Personally, I cannot see how parametric effects can be used to construct >an 'open' system, one that may tap some external sources of energy. If >we construct a closed system, it will be fully conserviative. > You don't "construct" an open system. You deconstruct the closed ones. Peter Nielsen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 18 19:32:54 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id TAA18038; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 19:32:19 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 19:32:19 -0700 From: openway@nor.com.au Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 12:31:46 +1000 Message-Id: <199708190231.MAA13923@nornet.nor.com.au> X-Sender: openway@pophost.nor.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: A switched bifilar (scalar :-) parametric circuit Resent-Message-ID: <"rLVKG2.0.kO4.eMG-p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >> Doesn't the variable inductor work by opposing fields? That generates >> scalars. As does the TEP-type bifiliar configurations. If you gave >> consideration to how scalar vectors may be converged, by the geometry of the >> device, to produce a second order electrical potential, things would soon >> fall into place. > >I'm very confused by the phrase "...how scalar vectors may be...." > >Scalars and vectors are diametrically opposed concepts. What is a >'scalar vector'? > Sorry, I should have said, "scalar-producing vectors". Could you please elaborate on the following from your previous post? "If two scalar potentials have opposite signs, then we have a vector potential difference between them, which describes a vector, or what we call EM!" Peter Nielsen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 18 19:33:09 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id TAA18103; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 19:32:34 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 19:32:34 -0700 From: openway@nor.com.au Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 12:31:54 +1000 Message-Id: <199708190231.MAA13935@nornet.nor.com.au> X-Sender: openway@pophost.nor.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: A switched bifilar (scalar :-) parametric circuit Resent-Message-ID: <"Bpghc2.0.mO4.fMG-p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > I can't add anything productive to a discussion about scalars right now, >except to ask questions about them. Specifically, how does a scalar >generator become an overunity device? > >Fred Epps > And I thought you'd never ask. By tapping into the variable time field of the planet, which, being "non-dimensional" is not subject to the physical laws of conservation. This is accessed by zeroing all subordinate vectors, such as those occupied by ambient electrical and magnetic fields. We then create a second time gradient, by the same technique, but in opposition to the first. When they converge, the electrical and magnetic vectors reform, but at greater potential. See, I didn't mention "scalar" once. Woof, woof. Peter Nielsen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 18 19:48:30 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id TAA20954; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 19:48:09 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 19:48:09 -0700 X-Sender: josephnewman@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 21:52:03 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: Re: Same voltage used on two coil test ? Resent-Message-ID: <"lwEEL.0.J75.ebG-p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >Bob Shannon wrote, >snip-- > >Aside from that, I can see no benifit of our dragging the whole >discussion of Mr. Newman's theory up again on this forum. The list >server members made themselves quite clear the last time around. > >So lets let the testing begin! One set of tests is worth far more than >any email exchanges we might ever have. This was from your earlier direct email to me on this subject: Date: Tue, 04 Feb 1997 16:18:33 +0000 From: Bob Shannon Reply-To: bshannon@tiac.net MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Evan Soule Subject: Re: Query Evan Soule' wrote: >> I was trying to verify that the coil weights you used in your own 2 coil >> test were identical to those of Joe's and have the same air-core/coil >> parameters used respectively for the 2 coils you tested. If this is/is not >> the case for your test, please let me know. >> >> Best, >> >> Evan > >Ahh, I see. Very good then. > >I'll weigh the two coils and get back to you. Both were air core coils. > >At least one was commercially made, if not both. In the tests of two >coils with the same inductance, both were commercially made coils. This >was some time back, and I'll have to check rather than try to quote >anything from memory alone. >Bob I would certainly agree with you that experimenting itself (per the Scientific Method) is the best approach. Evan From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 18 20:10:12 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id UAA26962; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 20:09:45 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 20:09:45 -0700 Message-Id: <199708190311.UAA11278@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: A switched bifilar (scalar :-) parametric circuit Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 20:15:21 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"TX6PX1.0.6b6.tvG-p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Peter, Specifically, how does a scalar > >generator become an overunity device? > > > > > > And I thought you'd never ask. By tapping into the variable time field of > the planet, which, being "non-dimensional" is not subject to the physical > laws of conservation. This is accessed by zeroing all subordinate vectors, > such as those occupied by ambient electrical and magnetic fields. We then > create a second time gradient, by the same technique, but in opposition to > the first. When they converge, the electrical and magnetic vectors reform, > but at greater potential. This relates to your proposal for a rotating Bismuth disc device with positrons? > > See, I didn't mention "scalar" once. Woof, woof. Removing the word "scalar" did not improve my level of comprehension. By variable time field you are referring to rotation of the planet? If so, I followed you up until the part about creating a second time gradient. Is this done by rotation again but in opposition to the rotation of the earth? I'm sure my questions reveal how little I really understand your ideas. Fred > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 18 20:11:22 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id UAA01731; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 20:10:51 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 20:10:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708190311.UAA08114@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: Parametrics & scalars. Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 20:05:05 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"_Up41.0.yQ.uwG-p"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Peter and all! > >> We may be able to explain parametric effects using scalar theory, > > > >How? And why would you need to? Parametric effects are explainable by the > >basic laws of physics-- absolutely nothing unusual about them. > > > > Laws and effects are observed behaviour, not explanations. I suggest that within the realm of science (the HOW of things) we can do no better than to formulate laws and effects. In your terms, what would an "explanation" of magnetism be other than a tabulation of laws and effects? > > >That is ONE way to create free energy. However I suggest that there may be > >another-- by messing with the time constants of the system. > > These are the same thing. An "open" system is timeless. Peter, you have a gift for making statements that are well-spoken, direct, and....somehow beyond my comprehension :-) What does this mean? I want an "explanation" :-) Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 18 20:43:33 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id UAA06065; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 20:43:07 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 20:43:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 23:38:01 -0400 (EDT) From: John Schnurer To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com cc: Free Energy , Maxwell , Stefan Hartmann Subject: Re: Flux-Switch Alternators In-Reply-To: <199708182229.PAA00937@mail1.halcyon.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"5sWMD.0.gU1.9PH-p"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Fred, I could use a copy. Thanks, J On Mon, 18 Aug 1997, Fred Epps wrote: > Hi All, > > I have an article recommended by Maxwell called "Design Principles Of > Flux-Switch Alternators" if anybody wants a copy. > > Fred > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 18 21:02:14 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id VAA04671; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 21:01:24 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 21:01:24 -0700 From: HLafonte@aol.com Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 00:00:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970818235811_752096815@emout05.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Flux-Switch Alternators Resent-Message-ID: <"mhiqc3.0.q81.JgH-p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Fred, How would you go about getting me one ? Thanks, Butch From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 18 21:32:04 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id VAA11657; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 21:31:37 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 21:31:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: josephnewman@mail.earthlink.net (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 23:34:13 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: Re: Newman 2-coil experiment Resent-Message-ID: <"tXRHN1.0.2s2.d6I-p"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >SOME THOUGHTS ON JOSEPH NEWMAN'S TWO-COIL EXPERIMENTS > snip-- >How to judge which of the above is correct? It's not perfectly easy. If >we attempt to prove Newman right by showing that a more massive coil gives >a stronger field, we may unwittingly be using a LOWER RESISTANCE coil, snip- >Extrude wire using the two alloys. Wind two identical coils but use the >two different types of wire. (Wire length and gauge must be the same in >both coils.) Newman's theory would say, that since the masses and >voltages are the same, the fields will be the same. Ampere's would say >that since the current in one coil is twice that of the other, then the >field in that coil will also be about twice the strength of the other. >Connect both coils to the same voltage, measure the field strength at the >surface of the wire bundle, and see who "wins." > > >.....................uuuu / oo \ uuuu........,............................. >William Beaty voice:206-781-3320 bbs:206-789-0775 cserv:71241,3623 >EE/Programmer/Science exhibit designer http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/ >Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com SCIENCE HOBBYIST web page Dear Bill, Thanks for your thoughtful comments. I should add, as a point of clarification, that Joe's fundamental disagreement is with the view initiated by Oersted in 1820 that the magnetic field comes from the current and that the wire is 'dormant like a water pipe carrying water.' As Joe wrote in a statement of last December 14th: "1) The facts of history prove that the conventional science of the times has been blatantly biased and prejudiced against New Discoveries. This is now the case! 2) The scientists of 1820 were so biased in their pious teachings of the time, e.g., "There is NO connection between MAGNETISM and ELECTRICITY!", that they would not even place a magnet parallel with a copper wire and make a circuit. The reason that they would not do so is because they were so biased in their view that a conductor should behave exactly like conventional magnetic materials (such as iron) that they would only place a magnet at right angles to a conductor and then make a circuit to a battery. As a result, the magnet remained at right angles to the conductor. Triumphantly, the professor at the time (such as Oersted) would tell young students: "See -- there is NO connection between magnetism and electricity." As every engineering student in college knew, two magnets placed at right angles to one another and then released, would instantly align parallel with one another. As to perfectly exemplify the biases and prejudices of the scientists of the times, history says it for me: One of the most significant discoveries of the human race was made in the classroom as a result of a student arranging the above-described-test BACKWARDS to the original directions provided by his professor, Oersted. The student arranged the magnet _parallel_ to the _conductor wire_ and when Oersted completed the circuit to the battery, INSTANTLY THE MAGNETIC PIVOTED TO RIGHT ANGLES with the CONDUCTOR. Such action proved that there WAS INDEED A CONNECTION BETWEEN MAGNETISM AND ELECTRICITY. The scientific community throughout Europe was astounded and many thinking individuals were excited. Note: Such scientists were so totally biased in their minds that a CONDUCTOR should act EXACTLY AS MAGNETIC MATERIALS that they could not see the truth until a young student literally 'goofed up' their original incorrect instructions which were accepted as the learned knowledge of the time. Note: If one learns from one's mistakes, then the scientific community of 1820 should have been rendered HUMBLE by its error. History has proven that THEY WERE NOT so humbled! I say this because members of the scientific community continued to make the same, biased mistakes --- back-to-back! Explanation: Since these members of the scientific community observed that the magnet would not be affected by the conductor unless the current was flowing --- then, these members of the scientific community did EXACTLY THE SAME THING AGAIN* when they ONCE AGAIN wrongly concluded: "The conductor was dormant like a water pipe carrying water and the magnetic field comes only from the current." [*These members of the scientific community still in their minds --- even to this day --- wanted the conductor to behave like conventional magnetic materials and affect the magnet.] Note: If the members of the scientific community were truly made humble by their _first blatant mistake_, then they would have concluded: "A CONDUCTOR DOES NOT ACT LIKE CONVENTIONAL MAGNETIC MATERIALS: BUT TOTALLY OPPOSITE OF WHAT WE EXPECTED AND AS A RESULT WE WILL MAKE NO SNAP JUDGEMENTS ABOUT A CONDUCTOR UNDER ANY TEST." History proves that they have done the opposite....... I (have) proved that the MAGNETIC FIELD OF A CONDUCTOR COMES FROM THE CONDUCTOR and NOT the current!" --- Joseph Newman ______________________________ ______________________________ Conventional motors have been designed with short coils and operate on HIGH CURRENT, low voltage. Joseph Newman's Motor/Generators are designed with _long_ coils and operate on HIGH VOLTAGE, low current. It is Joseph Newman's position that because of a fundamental misunderstanding of the nature of electromagnetism (as above), all conventional motors have been designed with built-in inefficiencies. [This is one reason why his Motor/Generators operate "cool."] I also submit the following prepared by Dr. Hastings regarding experiments he had conducted on several of Joseph Newman's Motor/Generators: _____________________________________________________ A Theory of Operation for Joseph Newman's Invention _____________________________________________________ Dr. Hastings submitted a phenomenological theory of operation suggested by Joseph Newman's invention, involving the following sequence of events: 1) The battery is switched across the coil and a current wavefront (gyroscopic particles) propa- gates into the coil at a speed determined by the the coil's propagation time constant. 2) Before the wavefront completes its journey through the coil,the battery voltage is switched open. At this point,the coil contains a charge equal to the current times the on-time. 3) When the switch is opened, all of this charge leaves the coil in a very short time, creating a very large current pulse in the coil. 4) The magnetic field generated by this current pulse (gyroscopic particle flow) propagates out to the permanent magnet armature, and gives it an impulsive torque. 5) The magnet accelerates, and the resulting magnetic field disturbance of the permanent magnet is propagated back to the coil, creating back-emf. However, by the time this occurs, the switch is open so that the back-emf does not impede the current flowing in the battery circuit. _____________________________________________________ These notions agree qualitatively with the measured waveforms. After one-half cycle of rotation, a charge on the order of 0.01 Coulombs will be contained within the coil. From the oscillograph this is seen to be dumped in a few milliseconds, creating a current of several amps. This current continues to flow for some ten milliseconds before decaying to zero. Joseph Newman's Motor (one version) can be described by the following set of equations: Ma + F(a) = k I sin (a) t LI + R I = V (a) - k a sin (a) i where, M = Rotor Moment of Inertia F = Friction and Load Torque k = Torque Constant t I = Coil Current L = Coil Inductance R = Coil Resistance V = Applied Voltage k = Induction Constant i a = Rotation Angle The first equation is Newton's Second Law applied to the rotating magnet, while the second is the coil current circuit equation. The voltage is the value applied to the coil within the commutator. If the first equation is multiplied by 'a' and the second equation is multiplied by I, and both equations are averaged over one cycle, the sum of the resulting equations gives: = < a F > + < I^2 R > + (k - k ) < a I sin (a) > i t where the brackets indicate a time average over one cycle of rotation. The term on the left is the power input. The first two terms on the right represent the mechanical power output (combined frictional losses and load power), and the ohmic heating in the coil windings. The last term is zero if the torque constant is equal to the induction constant, as would be the case in a conventional motor. However, as postulated above, if the induction constant is smaller than the torque constant, the last term supplies negative power. To view this another way, assume that the input voltage, through the commutator action varies as V(sub o) = V sin (a). If we also assume that the rotor angular speed, a, is nearly a constant, w, the following expression applies for the motor efficiency: < wF > k w < I sin (a) > k w t t e = __________ = _____________________ = _______ < IV > V < I sin (a) > V o o The following two equations can now be solved for the presumed speed: LI + RI = (V - K w ) sin (wt) o i < F (w) > = k < I sin (wt) > t The solution depends upon the details of the mechanical load function, F(w). If, however, the torque constant and voltage are both very large (as they are in Joseph Newman's invention), then the angular speed is approximately: V o w apr.= __________ k i and the expression for the efficiency becomes: k t e apr.= __________ k i If the torque and induction constants are equal, the motor is nearly one hundred percent efficient. If the torque constant exceeds the induction constant, the (production as opposed to conversion) efficiency exceeds 100%. Dr. Hastings concluded that Joseph Newman's process "is a useful tool by which predictions of circuit function can be made without mathematics." Dr. Hastings cited in support of Joseph Newman's mechanical model that "mechanical models of electromagnetic interactions were considered essential by scientists of the 19th Century" and that "Maxwell originally derived his famous equations using a mechanical model of the electromagnetic field," and Maxwell specifically stated the following: "The Theory I propose may therefore be called a Theory of the electromagnetic field because it has to do with the space in neighborhood of the electric or magnetic bodies, and it may be called a dynamical Theory because it assumes that in that space there is MATTER IN MOTION, by which the observed electromagnetic phenomena are produced ... In speaking of the energy of the field, I wish to be understood _literally_ : ALL ENERGY IS THE SAME AS MECHANICAL ENERGY." --- JAMES CLERK MAXWELL Best regards, Evan From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 18 21:39:54 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id VAA12223; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 21:39:39 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 21:39:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 21:38:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708190438.VAA02242@italy.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: "TEP" 2.1 Resent-Message-ID: <"ILkNL.0.u-2.9EI-p"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I built J.L. Naudin's circuit with a 2N3055 transistor, and found the following: Supply current at 12 Volt supply: 200 mA. A resistance in the base circuit <10 Ohms has very little effect. Circuit will start about 20% of the time. The voltage at the emitter is a narrow positive pulse about 3 uS wide, spaced about 40 uS apart. The spacing is a function of the amount of ferrite in the "bifilar coil". The voltage across the "collector coil", is a distorted wave, about 25 kHz, driven by the emitter pulse. If the frequency of the collector coil is lowered by pieces of ferrite, the waveform shifts to look more like a half-wave rectified waveform, lower than 25kHz. The emitter pulses change in spacing by the same amount. If the collector coil is loaded by a small incandescant light bulb, the oscillations stop. Operation WRT scalar waves is unknown, as I have no way to detect them. -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 18 21:45:47 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id VAA11449; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 21:45:11 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 21:45:11 -0700 Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 21:44:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708190444.VAA27167@iceland.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: mrandall@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Michael Randall Subject: Re: A Scalar Wave generator, The TEP V2.1 Resent-Message-ID: <"gkVnF.0.oo2.MJI-p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Jean-Louis, <....> > >I am convinced know that the way of Overunity is to build a BIG AIR CORE COIL >(Translator), the coil's volume has a MAJOR role in the free energy tapping, >like a tesla coil.... > Did you get a chance to see ATG new Web site: http://www.compassnet.com/~isworld/atg.htm They have several circuits of their BiPEG and their later ones (BP062697) also used larger coils for higher power output. Sincerely, Michael Randall From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 18 23:05:46 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id XAA21941; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 23:04:26 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 23:04:26 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970819000015.0072b97c@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 00:00:15 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: Re: Time constant of coils, secret to it all ? In-Reply-To: <970818214154_-1403691337@emout01.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"62Fjc.0.dM5.eTJ-p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 21:42 8/18/97 -0400, HLafonte@aol.com wrote: >Thanks for the input. Let me ask you to run the math if you will, for a super >conducting coil, and the power supply is regulated to maintain 12 amps or >more into the coil. In the case of a superconducting coil, the L/R time constant is determined by resistances external to the solenoid. Namely the resistance of the non-superconducting leads, that connect the generator to the solenoid, and the generator's internal resistance (source resistance). >Also would the work done by the power supply be stored in the magnetic field >of the coil ? Yes, that's the principle behind a superconducting storage ring. Something that the utility companies have considered using for supplementing generation capacity during times of peak demand. A nearly ideal storage device, well, except for the cooling requirements. >What would the amount of energy stored during each time constant be? The energy stored is W=(1/2 L)I^2. The calculations to determine the instantaneous current would be the same as for a non-superconducting solenoid. However, the source resistance is now predominate in determining the L/R time constant. In the previous discussion this factor was ignored, the resistance of the solenoid was much greater in comparison, and it swamped out the source impedance. *If the resistance of the solenoid is low, and it's charged from a source that has high internal resistance, you would need to know the source resistance, and probably the solenoid resistance too, in order to calculate the L/R time constant.* Another way of looking at the T=L/R delay is as a phase shift, between the voltage and current, when the source is a sine wave ...an angle who's tangent is kF(L/R). Where k is the "universal" constant 2piF. Best Regards, JD ------------------------------------------------------------ "Don't panic! ...I'm not from the government, and I wouldn't lift a tentacle to help you." -Bug Eyed Monster E-mail to: mules@palacenet.net ------------------------------------------------------------ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 18 23:40:43 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id XAA26923; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 23:40:17 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 23:40:17 -0700 Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 23:40:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708190640.XAA11579@denmark.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: mrandall@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Michael Randall Subject: Re: "TEP" 2.1 Resent-Message-ID: <"gIWu32.0.aa6.G_J-p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Dave, <....> > If the collector coil >is loaded by a small incandescant light bulb, the oscillations stop. >Operation WRT scalar waves is unknown, as I have no way to detect them. > Jean-Louis added a way to test the circuit in TEP V2.2 on this Web site. You might try it. The ATG in their circuits at: http://www.compassnet.com/~isworld/atg.htm have a proprietarily extraction circuit that they haven't descibed yet in their circuits. Jean-Louis has suggested several ways to do it, TEP V2.2 being one way. Best Regards, Michael Randall From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 19 02:41:56 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id CAA05245; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 02:41:33 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 02:41:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: leoguitar@mail.vossnet.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Re: Flux-Switch Alternators Cc: fepps@halcyon.com Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 11:43:50 MET Message-Id: <19970819114350.09b8ee28.in@pop3.vossnet.de> Resent-Message-ID: <"7AFGd3.0.qH1.AfM-p"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >Hi All, > > I have an article recommended by Maxwell called "Design Principles Of >Flux-Switch Alternators" if anybody wants a copy. > >Fred > > Can you please email me a copy or put it onto the WEB ? Thanks ! Regards, Stefan. > > -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 19 02:47:05 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id CAA05795; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 02:46:42 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 02:46:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: leoguitar@mail.vossnet.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Re: "TEP" 2.1 Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 11:49:08 MET Message-Id: <19970819114908.09bdc4c6.in@pop3.vossnet.de> Resent-Message-ID: <"fB78K1.0.NQ1.yjM-p"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >Hi Dave, > ><....> >> If the collector coil >>is loaded by a small incandescant light bulb, the oscillations stop. >>Operation WRT scalar waves is unknown, as I have no way to detect them. >> >Jean-Louis added a way to test the circuit in TEP V2.2 on this Web site. You >might try it. The ATG in their circuits at: > >http://www.compassnet.com/~isworld/atg.htm > >have a proprietarily extraction circuit that they haven't descibed yet in >their circuits. Jean-Louis has suggested several ways to do it, TEP V2.2 >being one way. > >Best Regards, >Michael Randall > > Well, it seems, that there exists many negative current spikes which seem to recharge the battery.... Maybe one just has to use an accumulator so that the battery will be constantly recharged and so also power can be extracted from this circuit to prevent overcharging ?? Please let me know... Regards, Stefan. > -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 19 03:33:35 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id DAA08219; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 03:33:04 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 03:33:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: leoguitar@mail.vossnet.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Re: "TEP" 2.1 Cc: ddameron@earthlink.net Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 12:35:17 MET Message-Id: <19970819123517.09e805ee.in@pop3.vossnet.de> Resent-Message-ID: <"PbSI.0.F02.TPN-p"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >I built J.L. Naudin's circuit with a 2N3055 transistor, and found the following: >Supply current at 12 Volt supply: 200 mA. A resistance in the base circuit ><10 Ohms has very little effect. Circuit will start about 20% of the time. >The voltage at the emitter is a narrow positive pulse about 3 uS wide, >spaced about 40 uS apart. The spacing is a function of the amount of ferrite >in the "bifilar coil". The voltage across the "collector coil", is a >distorted wave, about 25 kHz, driven by the emitter pulse. If the frequency >of the collector coil is lowered by pieces of ferrite, the waveform shifts >to look more like a half-wave rectified waveform, lower than 25kHz. The >emitter pulses change in spacing by the same amount. If the collector coil >is loaded by a small incandescant light bulb, the oscillations stop. >Operation WRT scalar waves is unknown, as I have no way to detect them. >-Dave > > > Hi Dave, please measure the input curent into your circuit by using a scope... Is the overall integrated current positive or negative... ? Can you get a battery recharging effect somehow at different setups ? The battery recharge effect should be the overunity function of this circuit...as I was told.... Please let us know. Good luck ! Thanks ! Best regards, Stefan. > -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 19 03:33:39 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id DAA08255; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 03:33:17 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 03:33:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: leoguitar@mail.vossnet.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: bshannon@tiac.net From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Re: Time constant of coils, secret to it all ? Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, newman-l@emachine.com Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 12:35:18 MET Message-Id: <19970819123518.09e80bcc.in@pop3.vossnet.de> Resent-Message-ID: <"XRUmn2.0.o02.ePN-p"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: ....snip... >I think you should compare two different coils, after five time >constants have passed. Also, Jack DeMule has some important points on >the back EMF issue. > The key to Neman motors are not the 2 different coils, but the nonlinearity of the system using high permeability moving materials inside the coils ! There you will get a factor for V=LdI/dt + IdL/dt Only the second term IdL/dt can make a Newman motor go overunity, if it is designed right ! (speak: BIG) So WITHOUT something moving inside the coils you will just see conventional EM theory ! Have been there, tested it all ! Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 19 08:57:39 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id IAA05912; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 08:56:51 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 08:56:51 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 11:55:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Jason Aldo To: Free Energy Cc: Maxwell , Stefan Hartmann Subject: Re: Flux-Switch Alternators In-Reply-To: <199708182229.PAA00937@mail1.halcyon.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"SssSn3.0.AS1._8S-p"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/24 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 18 Aug 1997, Fred Epps wrote: > Hi All, > > I have an article recommended by Maxwell called "Design Principles Of > Flux-Switch Alternators" if anybody wants a copy. > > Fred > Hi Fred, I would very much like to see a copy of this. Pete Aldo From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 19 09:07:34 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id JAA30551; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 09:07:02 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 09:07:02 -0700 Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 09:06:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708191606.JAA06411@denmark.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: mrandall@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Michael Randall Subject: Re: "TEP" 2.1 Resent-Message-ID: <"YoN-Q.0.8T7.YIS-p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Stephan <....> >Well, it seems, that there exists many negative current spikes which seem >to recharge the battery.... > >Maybe one just has to use an accumulator so that the battery will be constantly >recharged and so also power can be extracted from this circuit to prevent >overcharging ?? > >Please let me know... > Yes it could work. We would first need to know what the input to the output energy is to determine if it is ou, then we could recharge the battery with an accumulator circuit. Regards, Michael From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 19 09:59:49 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id JAA09443; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 09:59:07 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 09:59:07 -0700 Message-ID: <33F9F9DE.3AFD@tiac.net> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 12:54:06 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Reply-To: bshannon@tiac.net Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Parametrics & scalars. References: <199708190231.MAA13927@nornet.nor.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"kQyq-.0.KJ2.Q3T-p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: openway@nor.com.au wrote: > I hate to mention it, but there is another potentially scalar function in > these parametric circuits, i.e. energizing the tank circuit at twice its > resonant frequency, thereby creating a null point in the conductor. This is > similar in effect to the crossovers of a caduceus coil, and how "nodes", in > a conventional antenna, effect transmission with no apparent intervening force. Caduceus coils are fairly poor translators, they leak far too much EM. Bearden describes how any EM expression of the opposed potentials must be blocked to produce a scalar product. bifilar coils are far better suited to scalar production in this respect. This also applies to "nodes" in conventional antennae or transmission lines, we still have EM expression of the potentials. Just as current seeks the lowest resistance path, potentials appear to seek the lowest 'dimensionality' of expression, EM rather than scalar. If we allow EM to leak out of our opposed potentials, we sacrifice scalar production to a very large extent. On the other hand, the Whittaker papers can be taken to show that all EM is only paired scalars anyway, but EM behavior is quite different from scalar phenomena... Clearly we all still have a lot to learn here! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 19 10:03:21 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id KAA10394; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 10:02:44 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 10:02:44 -0700 Message-ID: <33F9FAB7.660C@tiac.net> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 12:57:43 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Reply-To: bshannon@tiac.net Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: A switched bifilar (scalar :-) parametric circuit References: <199708190231.MAA13923@nornet.nor.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"6Qjb-.0.IY2.o6T-p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: openway@nor.com.au wrote: > >Scalars and vectors are diametrically opposed concepts. What is a > >'scalar vector'? > > > > Sorry, I should have said, "scalar-producing vectors". Ahhh, that explains it perfectly. Thanks. > > Could you please elaborate on the following from your previous post? > > "If two scalar potentials have opposite signs, then we have a vector > potential difference between them, which describes a vector, or what we > call EM!" Ok, scalar A is at maximum potential, while scalar B is at minimum. If we look at the difference between them, we find a vector. If we sum these two scalars, we yeild good, old fassioned EM! This is the reversed EM to scalar process, where opposed scalars interfer and EM is produced at a distance from the scalar source. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 19 10:10:43 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id KAA18918; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 10:10:06 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 10:10:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33F9FC18.1FF7@tiac.net> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 13:03:36 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Reply-To: bshannon@tiac.net Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: A switched bifilar (scalar :-) parametric circuit References: <199708190231.MAA13935@nornet.nor.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"oldRv3.0.Md4.dDT-p"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: openway@nor.com.au wrote: > > > I can't add anything productive to a discussion about scalars right now, > >except to ask questions about them. Specifically, how does a scalar > >generator become an overunity device? > > > >Fred Epps > > > > And I thought you'd never ask. By tapping into the variable time field of > the planet, which, being "non-dimensional" is not subject to the physical > laws of conservation. If this "time field" is variable, that is, its effected by some pheomena, that its probably also conservative. Why do you assume its non-conservative? Do you have any data here? > This is accessed by zeroing all subordinate vectors, > such as those occupied by ambient electrical and magnetic fields. We then > create a second time gradient, by the same technique, but in opposition to > the first. When they converge, the electrical and magnetic vectors reform, > but at greater potential. Twice the frequency, bacuase we have two points of maximum opposed potentials per EM input cycle, but not twice the "energy" in the conventional sense. Translation from EM to opposed scalars, and back to EM, without coupling to any external forces or objects is fully conservative based on emperical testing. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 19 10:22:22 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id KAA20727; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 10:21:08 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 10:21:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33F9FEA7.644C@tiac.net> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 13:14:31 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Reply-To: bshannon@tiac.net Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Time constant of coils, secret to it all ? References: <3.0.1.32.19970819000015.0072b97c@palacenet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"_Vxwx3.0.m35._NT-p"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/29 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Jack DeMule wrote: > > At 21:42 8/18/97 -0400, HLafonte@aol.com wrote: > > >Thanks for the input. Let me ask you to run the math if you will, for a super > >conducting coil, and the power supply is regulated to maintain 12 amps or > >more into the coil. > > In the case of a superconducting coil, the L/R time constant is determined > by resistances external to the solenoid. Namely the resistance of the > non-superconducting leads, that connect the generator to the solenoid, > and the generator's internal resistance (source resistance). The L/R time constant is still a function of inductance even if resistance is zero, I beleive. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 19 10:47:21 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id KAA25332; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 10:45:56 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 10:45:56 -0700 (PDT) From: HLafonte@aol.com Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 13:44:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970819134329_1258819223@emout02.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: 9.5 watts for 2 minutes Resent-Message-ID: <"MzpXv3.0.hB6.FlT-p"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Could someone tell me how many joules of energy would be produced by 9.5 watts over a two minute period ? Thanks, Butch From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 19 11:27:18 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id LAA26384; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 11:26:04 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 11:26:04 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970819132621.0069df94@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 13:26:21 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: Moving stuff is work...ain't it? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"SBFVU3.0.5S6.wKU-p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi all, Ok, so -E=L(dI/dT) and -E=I(dL/dT) ...and you can design a motor that has magnetic material moving in windings that combines the two equations. So that, E=L(dI/dT) + I(dL/dT) No conventional EM laws broken so far. Moving that magnetic material is work, isn't it? Also observe.... W=(1/2L)I^2 and you are changing L I'm not saying that John's motor isn't O/U, only that the combination of equations presented proves nothing of the sort. Unless I'm being obtuse...which is a possibility that I'm not discounting. Best Regards, JD ------------------------------------- E-mail to mules@palacenet.net ------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 19 11:35:35 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id LAA28018; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 11:34:52 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 11:34:52 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970819133507.006a854c@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 13:35:07 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: Re: 9.5 watts for 2 minutes In-Reply-To: <970819134329_1258819223@emout02.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"bTt7d.0.Or6.ATU-p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi ya! At 13:44 8/19/97 -0400, Butch wrote: >Could someone tell me how many joules of energy would be produced by 9.5 >watts over a two minute period ? A Joule is also known as a watt/second. 9.5W/120 sec.=.079J Best Regards, JD ------------------------------------- E-mail to mules@palacenet.net ------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 19 11:39:09 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id LAA03764; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 11:38:29 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 11:38:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33F9E5DF.6FD4@ctv.es> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 20:28:47 +0200 From: Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga Reply-To: vramos@ctv.es X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: 9.5 watts for 2 minutes References: <970819134329_1258819223@emout02.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"JMqgC.0.ew.WWU-p"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: HLafonte@aol.com wrote: > > Could someone tell me how many joules of energy would be produced by 9.5 > watts over a two minute period ? > Thanks, Butch Butch If I remember well, W=V*I*t, then: W= 9.5W * 120s = 1140 J Vicente. -- Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga E-mail: vramos@ctv.es Home Page: http://www.ctv.es/USERS/vramos/home.htm Burriana (Castellon) SPAIN From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 19 11:45:20 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id LAA30384; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 11:44:50 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 11:44:50 -0700 Message-Id: <199708191846.LAA10985@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: Time constant of coils, secret to it all ? Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 11:10:30 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"-iSTr1.0.YQ7.VcU-p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Stefan and all! > > > The key to Neman motors are not the 2 different coils, but the nonlinearity > of the system using high permeability moving materials inside the coils ! > > There you will get a factor for > > V=LdI/dt + IdL/dt > > Only the second term IdL/dt can make a Newman motor go overunity, if it is > designed > right ! (speak: BIG) > So WITHOUT something moving inside the coils you will just see conventional > EM theory ! > > Have been there, tested it all ! I almost hesitate to say, considering that I would not like to be remembered as "that parametric guy" :-) but this means the Newman motor is an odd sort of parametric amplifier! If it is then I can suggest a number of ways to do it better -- and without moving parts. A manganese-zinc ferrite core or "rotor" will improve performance. So will closing the magnetic circuit. The same thing can be done without moving parts by using a sort of magnetic amplifier design with a very large control coil orthogonal to the output coil, as I have suggest recently on the list. This should result in a high current output with a low voltage input if done correctly. This is just off the top of my head... Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 19 11:52:29 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id LAA32091 for bilb@eskimo.com; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 11:52:27 -0700 Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 11:52:27 -0700 X-Envelope-From: HLafonte@aol.com Tue Aug 19 11:52:24 1997 Received: from emout23.mail.aol.com (emout23.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.128]) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA32057 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 11:52:19 -0700 From: HLafonte@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout23.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id OAA21508 for freenrg-l@eskimo.com; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 14:51:47 -0400 (EDT) Old-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 14:51:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970819144857_1950650919@emout08.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Please see attached j-peg of spin balance system MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="PART.BOUNDARY.0.19062.emout08.mail.aol.com.872016537" X-Diagnostic: Submission size exceeds 40000 bytes X-Envelope-To: freenrg-l Status: O X-Status: --PART.BOUNDARY.0.19062.emout08.mail.aol.com.872016537 Content-ID: <0_19062_872016537@emout08.mail.aol.com.7297> Content-type: text/plain To all: Please take a look at the attached jpeg drawing of a spin balance system. All of my questions to date are connected to this basic layout. There is ONE MORE aspect to this system, but first take a good look as it's basic means of balancing forces when a load is not on the stator. It is easy to see. Please ask any questions if you can't see how the forces of the rotor/stator are balanced out buy the balance system when there is NO LOAD on the stator. If the jpeg drawing is not good quality let me know, please, as it is the first time I have sent it out over the web. The main colors are red and blue. 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--PART.BOUNDARY.0.19062.emout08.mail.aol.com.872016537-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 19 11:52:40 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id LAA31994; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 11:52:00 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 11:52:00 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970819135222.0069d91c@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 13:52:22 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: Re: Time constant of coils, secret to it all ? In-Reply-To: <33F9FEA7.644C@tiac.net> References: <3.0.1.32.19970819000015.0072b97c@palacenet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Tnf6n3.0.op7.FjU-p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 13:14 8/19/97 -0700, Bob Shannon wrote: >The L/R time constant is still a function of inductance even if >resistance is zero, I beleive. Pickey, aren't you? :) Yes the L/R constant for the super conducting solenoid, is now it's inductance divided by near zero....a huge number. Because the current can be huge. But we know there is a practical limit to this, since there are other resistances in series with the coil which limits the current. The L/R time constant in practical terms...the system L/R time constant is L/(all the series resistances in the circuit). Damit, Jim...er, Bob! I'm an engineer, not a scientist! Best Regards, JD ------------------------------------- E-mail to mules@palacenet.net ------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 19 11:54:24 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id LAA32533; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 11:53:57 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 11:53:57 -0700 Message-ID: <33FA14C4.5B10@tiac.net> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 14:48:52 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Reply-To: bshannon@tiac.net Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: ATG's BiPEG vs. Jean-Louis's TEP! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"la_6g2.0.Ey7.4lU-p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Ok free energy fans, I've reviewed the ATG web site, and was really supprized by what I did NOT find. The ATG group makes some excellent points about bypassing and filtering, but neglects to mention that low ESR bypass caps are critically important. Many .1 uF and 1.0 uF caps have too high a series resistance to be efficient in this application. Not just any capacitor of the proper value will do. Its also interesting that ATG reports an 18 minute run time, but the specifics of how this was reached are not fully disclosed. If we look at the many BiPEG schematics on the ATG web page, we find that in all cases the bifilar coils are connected in such a way that the currents through the opposed windings are not equal, there is some imballence present. This implies that the opposed potentials may not be exactly equal. in such a case, we will have some degree of EM expression of our opposed potentials, which is highly inefficient for scalar production! So why 18 minutes of run time? What heppend in that last minute of operation? Clearly ATG is not about to tell us this smal detail. Those who follow scalar theory may have read an 'open letter' to Mr. Bearden that appeared on KeelyNet many years ago, that discusses how leptons (such as electrons) are only produced in pairs (particle / anti-particle pairs), and that a vacuum polarization based over unity system must not depleat the local vacuum of only one species, or it will effectivly pinch off it's external, hidden energy source. This suggests that not only must the two bifilar currents be equal in magnetude and phase, but that we should also have an electrostatic ballance across the bifilar coils. To acheive this, we should adopt bipolar power supplies rather than the single ended configurations that are currently used in the BiPEG and TEP designs. To efficiently convert a scalar potential into EM power, we should use two such (electrostatically) ballanced bifilar coils, driven such that the points of maximum scalar potential are 180 degrees out of phase. (As ATG has not disclosed their energy extraction circuits, any specific implementation of this approach could be claimed as being an original work.) Because the scalar product of a single bifilar coil is at twice the frequency of the EM input (due to their being two points of maximum potential per EM cycle!) we need to be aware that 180 degrees of the scalar product is only 90 degrees of the original EM input wave. As one bifilar coil reaches maximum opposed potentials, the other will be at minimum, so we have a vector (EM power!) between these coils. So 18 minutes using only about half of the needed circuitry is not all that bad really, especially in light of the fact that its not ballanced! (Could it have taken 18 minutes to depleate the local vacuum of virtual electrons, to the point where the excess virtual positrons halted the device??) But, we need to remove all rechargable batteries from the system!!!! Lets assume we have spikes that appear to recharge the battery. Fine, except that only a bit over 50% of the energy input to a rechargable battery is ever returned by that battery. Batteries have fairly poor recharge efficiencies, and even with this energy loss, the battery will still fail due to electroltye depleation in time. This cannot be described as 'free' energy. Batteries have a built in energy cost in their production and safe disposal after their useful life is expended. This is a large factor, and must be accounted for. If we really have more EM energy delivered and is consumed, we CAN run from banks of capacitors, which have a far higher efficiency than batteries, in terms of energy input to deliverable energy after charging. What we are doing here is to get our energy from someone else's pockets, we are taking energy we cannot normally observe, and using this to drive our loads. There is no basis in fact for the BELEIF that this energy is ours for the taking, and that there are no consequences for this 'theft' of energy however! I strongly reccomend that Jean-Louis review the circuits from ATG's web page, and note the imballences (electrstatic and phase) of the designs. It is a fairly simple matter to correct this design flaw. The result would be an original design belonging to Jean-Louis as I see it. All the needed information seems to exist, but its scattered here and there. It's a rece to see who puts it together in the right order first. Winner take all. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 19 12:01:56 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id MAA02368; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 12:01:19 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 12:01:19 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970819140214.006a95fc@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 14:02:14 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: Re: 9.5 watts for 2 minutes In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970819133507.006a854c@palacenet.net> References: <970819134329_1258819223@emout02.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"McmWY2.0.va.zrU-p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 13:35 8/19/97 -0500, Jack DeMule wrote: >A Joule is also known as a watt/second. >9.5W/120 sec.=.079J Acks! Boy is my face red! Yeah, it's a WattSecond not Watt/Second....DOH! 9.5*120=1140J Another neuron misfire....probably due to the scalar waves all you guys are radiating from your TEP experiments! :P Best Regards, JD ------------------------------------- E-mail to mules@palacenet.net ------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 19 12:10:15 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id MAA05350; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 12:09:55 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 12:09:55 -0700 Message-Id: <199708191911.MAA17524@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: 9.5 watts for 2 minutes Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 12:10:08 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"sJ5ob1.0.QJ1.2-U-p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > Another neuron misfire....probably due to the scalar waves > all you guys are radiating from your TEP experiments! :P I usually blame my mistakes on the implants the aliens and the CIA put in my brain-- when they interfere my mind goes blank :-) > Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 19 12:20:09 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id MAA08569; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 12:19:32 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 12:19:32 -0700 Message-ID: <33FA1AC8.2912@tiac.net> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 15:14:32 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Reply-To: bshannon@tiac.net Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Time constant of coils, secret to it all ? References: <3.0.1.32.19970819000015.0072b97c@palacenet.net> <3.0.1.32.19970819135222.0069d91c@palacenet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"xf3Rt.0.n52.37V-p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Jack DeMule wrote: > > At 13:14 8/19/97 -0700, Bob Shannon wrote: > >The L/R time constant is still a function of inductance even if > >resistance is zero, I beleive. > > Pickey, aren't you? :) Yes the L/R constant for the > super conducting solenoid, is now it's inductance divided > by near zero....a huge number. Because the current can be > huge. But we know there is a practical limit to this, since > there are other resistances in series with the coil which > limits the current. Wait a minute here, the inductance is unchanged, but the resistance is that of the source, not the zero ohms of the coil. Won't the current still rise fairly slowly as we store energy in the field? We still have back EMF, etc. I'm not trying to pick at nits here, but I've never measured a superconducting coil before. This is new ground for me. > The L/R time constant in practical terms...the system L/R > time constant is L/(all the series resistances in the circuit). > > Damit, Jim...er, Bob! I'm an engineer, not a scientist! Darn those pesky superconductors to heck! If the coil is inductive, but has low resistance, the source impeadance will dominate. Just how fast will a practical superconducting inductor build it's field? Will there be any effects due to the mismatch between the superconductor and the voltage source? I just gotta dump some cuperconducting coils into superconducting bifilar coils, just to see if my insurance will pay off! ;-> From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 19 12:24:45 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id MAA10145; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 12:24:24 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 12:24:24 -0700 Message-ID: <33FA1B73.641C@tiac.net> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 15:17:23 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Reply-To: bshannon@tiac.net Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: 9.5 watts for 2 minutes References: <199708191911.MAA17524@mail1.halcyon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"6MgZ62.0.NU2.bBV-p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Fred Epps wrote: > > > Another neuron misfire....probably due to the scalar waves > > all you guys are radiating from your TEP experiments! :P > > I usually blame my mistakes on the implants the aliens and the CIA put in > my brain-- when they interfere my mind goes blank :-) > > > Fred Geezzz, I've met Fred, now I really wonder......... There was that black helicopter parked out back, but I never gave that a second thought at the time. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 19 12:25:27 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id MAA10338; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 12:25:09 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 12:25:09 -0700 From: HLafonte@aol.com Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 15:24:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970819152245_1218022710@emout03.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: 9.5 watts for 2 minutes Resent-Message-ID: <"_g9mn.0.PX2.KCV-p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: JD, Thanks for the answer. Also, I haven't heard a "ya" on the list before, are you close to where I live? I'm in Alabama. Thanks, Butch From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 19 12:40:59 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id MAA13750; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 12:40:24 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 12:40:24 -0700 From: PROTIEUS@aol.com Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 15:39:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970819153650_67057237@emout07.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: talk Resent-Message-ID: <"L_eKx3.0.eM3.bQV-p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: well let me ask you nice science people a good question then....how about a hover board running off of ionization is that possible check out the weird science in the neely pages for anti-gravity thanks Scotty From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 19 13:25:46 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id NAA19907; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 13:25:06 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 13:25:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33FA1C76.5365@swbell.net> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 15:21:42 -0700 From: Dragonslayer Organization: Apollo Industries X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Newman 2-coil experiment References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"7k12N1.0.ys4.W4W-p"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: William Beaty wrote: > > At the risk of starting up the long-running battle again, here > are: > > SOME THOUGHTS ON JOSEPH NEWMAN'S TWO-COIL EXPERIMENTS > > Ampere's view: Magnetic field is caused by current and the > number of turns. > > Newman's view: Magnetic field is caused by voltage and total > mass of the copper > > Just to save space > > .....................uuuu / oo \ uuuu........,............................. > William Beaty voice:206-781-3320 bbs:206-789-0775 cserv:71241,3623 > EE/Programmer/Science exhibit designer http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/ > Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com SCIENCE HOBBYIST web page William, Keep those ideas flowing...some of that last one is going onto the workbench tomorrow. Many thanks for the concepts! Todd From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 19 14:03:44 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id OAA30792; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 14:02:12 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 14:02:12 -0700 X-Sender: rmuha@mail Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199708191911.MAA17524@mail1.halcyon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 17:01:37 -0400 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: ralph muha Subject: Re: 9.5 watts for 2 minutes Resent-Message-ID: <"eQGLn2.0.vW7.HdW-p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >I usually blame my mistakes on the implants the aliens and the CIA put in >my brain-- when they interfere my mind goes blank :-) try wrapping your head in aluminum foil, it works for me... r From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 19 14:22:40 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id OAA01752; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 14:22:01 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 14:22:01 -0700 Message-Id: <199708192123.OAA01663@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: 9.5 watts for 2 minutes Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 14:23:40 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"XDgVh3.0.AR.svW-p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > >I usually blame my mistakes on the implants the aliens and the CIA put in > >my brain-- when they interfere my mind goes blank :-) > > try wrapping your head in aluminum foil, it works for me... > works OK, but nobody ever waits on me in restaurants Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 19 14:22:41 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id OAA01771; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 14:22:04 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 14:22:04 -0700 Message-Id: <199708192123.OAA31081@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: "Free Energy" , Subject: Re: 9.5 watts for 2 minutes Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 14:25:41 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ESaGk2.0.WR.vvW-p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > > I usually blame my mistakes on the implants the aliens and the CIA put in > > my brain-- when they interfere my mind goes blank :-) > > > > > Fred > > Geezzz, I've met Fred, now I really wonder......... > > There was that black helicopter parked out back, but I never gave that a > second thought at the time. of course not, the implants work very well. Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 19 14:55:50 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id OAA02330; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 14:55:01 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 14:55:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970819165335.006a0188@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 16:53:35 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: Re: 9.5 watts for 2 minutes In-Reply-To: <199708192123.OAA01663@mail1.halcyon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"SvJuM.0.Ja.oOX-p"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Fred, All, >> try wrapping your head in aluminum foil, it works for me... >> >works OK, but nobody ever waits on me in restaurants That's because you forgot to hang a chain of paper clips from the foil to ground. They probably thought you were nuts for allowing your noggin to float like that! :P Best Regards, JD ------------------------------------- E-mail to mules@palacenet.net ------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 19 15:14:39 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id PAA04446; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 15:13:53 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 15:13:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: rmuha@mail Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <33FA14C4.5B10@tiac.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 18:12:21 -0400 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: ralph muha Subject: Re: ATG's BiPEG vs. Jean-Louis's TEP! Resent-Message-ID: <"WuuJp2.0.G51.RgX-p"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Bob Shannon wrote: > >If we look at the many BiPEG schematics on the ATG web page, we find >that in all cases the bifilar coils are connected in such a way that the >currents through the opposed windings are not equal, there is some >imballence present. > But only the first four schematics use bifilars. In the fifth (bp053097), L1 is wound CW for 10 cm, L2 is wound CCW for 10 more cm (it is adjacent to L1 on the form), and L3 is wound CCW for 5 cm on an adjustable sleeve that is positioned around L1. In the sixth (bp062397), L1 and L2 are both wound CW for 38 mm each, L3 is wound CCW for 89 mm, again on an adjustable sleeve that fits around L1/L2. (And I suspect that the L2 and L3 coil labels should be swapped in the schematic) This is the basis for the version that they claim was self-powered for 18 minutes. So what would you call that coil arrangement? Counter-Coaxial? r From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 19 16:15:31 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id QAA12260; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 16:14:56 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 16:14:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33FA2641.44A6@ctv.es> Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 01:03:29 +0200 From: Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga Reply-To: vramos@ctv.es X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: WOODPECKER Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"mG5Vl1.0.Q_2.fZY-p"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi all, Some time ago I read on a magazine a report about HAARP, and the old rusian Howitzers. I read these devices emitted scalar waves at very high power (1 GW at least). Common receivers detect these waves like the sound produced by a woodpecker. I don't know if this is right. Can be useable a HF receiver on Jean Naudin experiment? Vicente. -- Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga E-mail: vramos@ctv.es Home Page: http://www.ctv.es/USERS/vramos/home.htm Burriana (Castellon) SPAIN From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 19 16:58:22 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id QAA16335; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 16:57:27 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 16:57:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 20 Aug 97 11:54 NZST X-Sender: srae@shoppe.mlb.planet.gen.nz (Unverified) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: srae@mlb.planet.gen.nz (Stuart Rae) Subject: Re: Time constant of coils, secret to it all ? X-Mailer: Resent-Message-ID: <"OZEbu2.0.7_3.aBZ-p"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi All, Fred said: >but this means the Newman motor is >an odd sort of parametric amplifier! Yes, that might just be. And what I was taking a gentle 'poke' at recently with the comment: "After all, isn't it this "time slot" what Jean-Claude Naudin is currently working on: And what Mr DeLeo is suggesting with step or ramp charged capacitors: And perhaps what Mr Newman may have already accomplished with the marriage of electrical and mechanical system." >The same thing can be done without moving parts by using a sort of magnetic >amplifier design with a very large control coil orthogonal to the output >coil, as I have suggest recently on the list. This should result in a high >current output with a low voltage input if done correctly. > Suggested something similar (but with resonant flux switching of a permanent magnet) on the Newman-l list last year, with: >......Instead of a mechanical configuration of moving magnets as in Mr Newman's motor/generator, might it also be possible to construct an electrical generator without any moving parts...............etc., and: ................pulsed "switching" inductors, whose flux paths are physically perpendicular to the flux paths of the permanent magnet. With the inductor circuits of such a system configured to an appropriate resonance (i.e. an LC parallel resonance) it should be possible to produce a substantial source of alternating current in the "armature" coils at a useful frequency, ....................etc But nobody took the bait!!:-) Since found a patent (around here somewhere) that looks very similar to that. Regards, Stuart Rae From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 19 17:03:11 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id RAA30008; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 17:02:03 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 17:02:03 -0700 From: MFergerson@aol.com Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 20:01:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970819200030_1218092032@emout07.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Does a magnetic field have weight?(in a gravity field) Resent-Message-ID: <"bL0c03.0.nK7.vFZ-p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Butch asked: > But what I wonder is, when a large magnetic field is around a coil, does >that field have any weight? It doesn't have mass in the usual way of >thinking, because it's in the form of energy. But I wonder if even though >it's in an energy state does it have any weight, no matter how small. For >that matter does it have mass? Hard to verify... Put a large (NMR) magnet on a (wooden) scale and weigh it with and without energizing it? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 19 17:18:41 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id RAA18721; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 17:17:18 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 17:17:18 -0700 (PDT) From: MFergerson@aol.com Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 20:15:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970819201408_705340039@emout11.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: experimental time wave generator Resent-Message-ID: <"JlZDj2.0.Na4.8UZ-p"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: R. van Spaandonk wrote: >There is a much simpler solution. Just use a watch with a face, and >compare it to another removed at a distance continuously during the >experiment. Unlike rockets going on trips at near the speed of light, >these experiments are stationary, and easily observed throughout. I should have specified my objection to such ideas. The large time-varying magnetic fields in the device as described will bugger up just about any time-indicating device, including the hourglass I mentioned in the previous post (noting sand isn't perfectly non-magnetic). And no, a water clock won't do either; water is diamagnetic, remember. Of course, there is the possibility the mag-field variations will follow the time variations, but it seems more likely they won't (Murphy, you know). Please don't mind all the objections, this sounds like a very interedting line of research, but let's get the instrumentation protocols straight first. (Maybe a hamster?) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 19 17:33:31 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id RAA04013; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 17:32:49 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 17:32:49 -0700 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 20 Aug 97 12:31 NZST X-Sender: srae@shoppe.mlb.planet.gen.nz (Unverified) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: srae@mlb.planet.gen.nz (Stuart Rae) Subject: BLOW BY GRINDING BLOW X-Mailer: Resent-Message-ID: <"lHgny2.0.c-.miZ-p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi All, I wonder if someone could do something simple for me here. It's shouldn't be too hard. (1) Assume I have a superficial idea of how transistors, capacitors, diodes and inductors(conventional!) work. (2) Otherwise assume I'm absolutely stupid. (See, that was easy!:-) (3) Describe for me in detail, BLOW BY GRINDING BLOW, how exactly they understand the TEP (or any selected Bipeg circuit) actually works, without using any BS, obscure mathematics, OR the dreaded word "scalar". Regards, Stuart Rae From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 19 17:38:10 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id RAA04983; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 17:37:49 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 17:37:49 -0700 From: MFergerson@aol.com Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 20:37:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970819203542_-1970828014@emout18.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: experimental time wave generator Resent-Message-ID: <"cPLeo2.0.iD1.SnZ-p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Fred said: >Hi Robin, "MFerguson", and all. > Mr. Ferguson, sorry I didn't catch your original response to my message. That's 'Fergerson'. No problem, I'll resend it. My main problem with the test protocol here was the difficulty extracting information from the affected volume..the time-varying M-fields will interfere with any clock I can think of, making it difficult if not impossible to tell time effects from M-field effects. Also, if time and gravity are connected as closely as most folks think, even an hourglass would be affected. Perhaps a simple balance small enough to fit would work..affect local G, assume local T-variation? Just a thought... From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 19 18:42:22 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id SAA28348; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 18:41:12 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 18:41:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: rmuha@mail Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <970819203542_-1970828014@emout18.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 21:39:42 -0400 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: ralph muha Subject: Re: experimental time wave generator Resent-Message-ID: <"uAQnc2.0.qw6.nia-p"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >time-varying M-fields will interfere with any clock I can think of, making it >difficult if not impossible to tell time effects from >M-field effects. how about a pendulum clock made entirely from LEGO/Technic (ie, ABS plastic) parts? is ABS diamagnetic? see http://carol.fwi.uva.nl/~leo/lego/clock.html actually, I don't think this would be accurate enough for experimental purposes but it's fun to look at... r From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 19 20:02:27 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id UAA30322; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 20:01:12 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 20:01:12 -0700 Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 20:56:43 -0600 (MDT) From: "John R. Tooker" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: 9.5 watts for 2 minutes In-Reply-To: <199708191911.MAA17524@mail1.halcyon.com> Message-Id: Organization: Calgary Free-Net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"9Oie81.0.hP7.ttb-p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Tue, 19 Aug 1997, Fred Epps wrote: > I usually blame my mistakes on the implants the aliens and the CIA put in > my brain-- when they interfere my mind goes blank :-) You too, huh? John From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 19 20:05:05 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id UAA30546; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 20:04:16 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 20:04:16 -0700 Message-Id: <199708200305.UAA19703@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: experimental time wave generator Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 19:02:33 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"AqUSx.0.BT7.kwb-p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Ralph, Mr. Fergerson, and all, I have a paper "Possibility Of A Connection Between The Electric Field And Time", that has a simple solution to the problem (at least for their proposed effect). They believe that an electric field will affect the time rate, which doesn't seem unlikely considering the studies of radioactive decay and electric fields etc. Anyway, they simply propose sending a laser beam through two capacitor plates to detect the effect. The laser beam is the oscillator or clock. I'm not sure if there would be any standard interactions between light and a static field... Fred > >time-varying M-fields will interfere with any clock I can think of, making it > >difficult if not impossible to tell time effects from > >M-field effects. > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 19 20:05:53 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id UAA30604; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 20:04:25 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 20:04:25 -0700 Message-Id: <199708200305.UAA31846@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: BLOW BY GRINDING BLOW Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 19:28:03 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"abgAW2.0.yT7.qwb-p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Stuart and all, > > I wonder if someone could do something simple for me here. It's shouldn't be > too hard. funny guy :-) > > (1) Assume I have a superficial idea of how transistors, capacitors, diodes > and inductors(conventional!) work. > > (2) Otherwise assume I'm absolutely stupid. (See, that was easy!:-) > > (3) Describe for me in detail, BLOW BY GRINDING BLOW, how exactly they > understand the TEP (or any selected Bipeg circuit) actually works, without > using any BS, obscure mathematics, OR the dreaded word "scalar". > I can only agree that I am also thoroughly confused by the situation. I am not clear that scalars OR parametrics are truly involved in either device. I have pages full of little coil diagrams and I am no closer to clarity. The BiPEG folks have not explained themselves, and although Jean-louis is a truly inspired inventor, I have to say that I do not understand things like "S-flow" etc. on his diagrams. Jean-louis, can you take time out of your "2 invention a day" schedule to explain how you think the TEP works? Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 19 20:05:54 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id UAA30584; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 20:04:21 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 20:04:21 -0700 Message-Id: <199708200305.UAA28838@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: Time constant of coils, secret to it all ? Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 19:16:00 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"4xM-t2.0.jT7.pwb-p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Stuart and all! > Fred said: > > >The same thing can be done without moving parts by using a sort of magnetic > >amplifier design with a very large control coil orthogonal to the output > >coil, as I have suggest recently on the list. This should result in a high > >current output with a low voltage input if done correctly. > > > > Suggested something similar (but with resonant flux switching of a permanent > magnet) on the Newman-l list last year, with: > > ................pulsed "switching" inductors, whose flux paths are > physically perpendicular to the flux paths of the permanent magnet. With the > inductor circuits of such a system configured to an appropriate resonance > (i.e. an LC parallel resonance) it should be possible to produce a > substantial source of alternating current in the "armature" coils at a > useful frequency, ....................etc > > But nobody took the bait!!:-) > > Since found a patent (around here somewhere) that looks very similar to that. Yes, there are at least 3 patents, if I understand what you are suggesting, that is, using orthogonal coils to block or switch flux of a permanent magnet through alternate paths to generate inductive output. I believe all 3 patents are listed in Greg and my list of patents on Greg's site. As I stated recently on the list, I havent seen any studies on the workability of these patents, although D. Kellys "Free Energy Handbook" has an apocryphal comment that the Richardson patent was tested and produced "only" 500 W., with no input power given. Very useful, eh? In any case this isn't quite what I had in mind, there aren't any permanent magnets in my design... > Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 19 20:08:30 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id UAA09269; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 20:07:40 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 20:07:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33FA7AEE.7BBC@swbell.net> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 22:04:46 -0700 From: Dragonslayer Organization: Apollo Industries X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: experimental time wave generator References: <970819201408_705340039@emout11.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"IsMm31.0.iG2.vzb-p"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: MFergerson@aol.com wrote: > > R. van Spaandonk wrote: > > >There is a much simpler solution. Just use a watch with a face, and > >compare it to another removed at a distance continuously during the > >experiment. Unlike rockets going on trips at near the speed of light, > >these experiments are stationary, and easily observed throughout. > > I should have specified my objection to such ideas. The large time-varying > magnetic fields in the device as described will bugger up just about any > time-indicating device, including the hourglass I mentioned in the previous > post (noting sand isn't perfectly non-magnetic). And no, a water clock won't > do either; water is diamagnetic, remember. > Of course, there is the possibility the mag-field variations will follow the > time variations, but it seems more likely they won't (Murphy, you know). > > Please don't mind all the objections, this sounds like a very interedting > line of research, but let's get the instrumentation protocols straight first. > (Maybe a hamster?) I saw a clock made of paper once. It worked too! Todd From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 19 21:08:19 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id VAA09966; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 21:07:04 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 21:07:04 -0700 Message-ID: <33FA6BD8.A3DA6691@microtronics.com.au> Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 13:30:24 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List Server Freenrg CC: List Server NeoTech , List Server Newman , List Server Vortex Subject: New Papers X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"7dx2z.0.ZR2.brc-p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi All, I have just added the following to my site. Good reading Interesting Papers : Dr. Leon Dragone's Electro-Entropic Motor Dr. Hal Puthoff's Can the Vacuum be Engineered for Spaceflight Applications? Osamu Ide's Increased Voltage Phenomenon in a Resonance Circuit of Uncon- ventional Magnetic Configuration S. Rauch & L. Johnsone's Design Principles of Flux-Switch Alternators Tim Vaughan's Fluctuation Coherence Zack Widup's Interesting Reading List -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Phone / PC Fax ...... 61 8 8270 2737 E-mail .............. gwatson@microtronics.com.au Home Page ........... Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 19 21:26:09 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id VAA13168; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 21:25:29 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 21:25:29 -0700 Message-ID: <33FA9ABE.42A2@tiac.net> Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 00:20:30 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Reply-To: bshannon@tiac.net Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: ATG's BiPEG vs. Jean-Louis's TEP! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"IWVYZ1.0.bD3.t6d-p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: ralph muha wrote: > > Bob Shannon wrote: > > > >If we look at the many BiPEG schematics on the ATG web page, we find > >that in all cases the bifilar coils are connected in such a way that the > >currents through the opposed windings are not equal, there is some > >imballence present. > > > > But only the first four schematics use bifilars. > > In the fifth (bp053097), L1 is wound CW for 10 cm, L2 is wound CCW > for 10 more cm (it is adjacent to L1 on the form), and L3 is wound > CCW for 5 cm on an adjustable sleeve that is positioned around L1. > > In the sixth (bp062397), L1 and L2 are both wound CW for 38 mm each, > L3 is wound CCW for 89 mm, again on an adjustable sleeve that fits > around L1/L2. (And I suspect that the L2 and L3 coil labels should > be swapped in the schematic) This is the basis for the version that > they claim was self-powered for 18 minutes. > > So what would you call that coil arrangement? Counter-Coaxial? > > r I had noticed the use of 'bucking' coils, but had not realized that it was this bucking arangement that is claimed to have self-powered for 18 minutes. This is not good. I have tested bucking coils. They only distort flux, and do not generate scalars as some have claimed. Its quite easy to verify that flux is conserved in bucking coil systems. This is bad news for ATG, they are not dealing with scalar production with the bucking coils, unless there is something significant in the energy extraction systems that are not shown. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 19 21:38:40 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id VAA21975; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 21:38:02 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 21:38:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 20 Aug 97 16:34 NZST X-Sender: srae@shoppe.mlb.planet.gen.nz (Unverified) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: srae@mlb.planet.gen.nz (Stuart Rae) Subject: Re: BLOW BY GRINDING BLOW X-Mailer: Resent-Message-ID: <"6BB8I2.0.BN5.aId-p"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Fred and All, >I can only agree that I am also thoroughly confused by the situation. I am >not clear that scalars OR parametrics are truly involved in either device. >snip Thanks Fred. Now THERE'S an honest man! Are there any other takers? (By the way - How DO you make a "tongue in cheek" sign in ASCII?) > >Jean-louis, can you take time out of your "2 invention a day" schedule to >explain how you think the TEP works? > Yes, and seriously, that would be very much appreciated Jean-Louis. Regards, Stuart Rae From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 19 21:45:50 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id VAA22702; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 21:44:51 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 21:44:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708200445.VAA30361@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: "Free Energy" , Subject: Re: ATG's BiPEG vs. Jean-Louis's TEP! Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 21:49:14 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"WR4wS.0.WY5.0Pd-p"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Bob and all, ---------- > > In the sixth (bp062397), L1 and L2 are both wound CW for 38 mm each, > > L3 is wound CCW for 89 mm, again on an adjustable sleeve that fits > > around L1/L2. (And I suspect that the L2 and L3 coil labels should > > be swapped in the schematic) This is the basis for the version that > > they claim was self-powered for 18 minutes. > > > > So what would you call that coil arrangement? Counter-Coaxial? > > > > r > > I had noticed the use of 'bucking' coils, but had not realized that it > was this bucking arangement that is claimed to have self-powered for 18 > minutes. > > This is not good. > > I have tested bucking coils. They only distort flux, and do not > generate scalars as some have claimed. Its quite easy to verify that > flux is conserved in bucking coil systems. > > This is bad news for ATG, they are not dealing with scalar production > with > the bucking coils, unless there is something significant in the energy > extraction systems that are not shown. This of course assumes that scalars are the mechanism of energy production. The assumptions here as I see them are: 1) energy must enter into the system from outside. 2) this energy is in the form of scalar waves. These are assumptions (granted the first is considered a "law"). If the BiPEG devices works, it is good for us, not good for the assumptions above. I still haven't heard it explained (at least so I can understand it) how scalar potentials generated FROM WITHIN THE MACHINE can somehow become an energy from "outside" that produces overunity. Of course MY assumption is that the TEP or the BiPEG are or could be overunity... Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 19 22:42:55 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id WAA26768; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 22:42:11 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 22:42:11 -0700 From: openway@nor.com.au Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 15:41:59 +1000 Message-Id: <199708200541.PAA09655@nornet.nor.com.au> X-Sender: openway@pophost.nor.com.au (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Parametrics & scalars. Resent-Message-ID: <"B6asZ1.0.8Y6.nEe-p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: The following is in response to Bob Shannon's recent posts. >If this "time field" is variable, that is, its effected by some >pheomena, than its probably also conservative. > Of course, but on a much larger scale. The point is how to access it. >Why do you assume its non-conservative? Do you have any data here? > >Translation from EM to opposed scalars, and back to EM, without coupling >to any external forces or objects is fully conservative based on >emperical testing. > According to the system I am describing, another term for "variable field" is "variable intensity". The trick is to create a local gradient opposing time flow, by using scalars to implement an inverse field. This has the effect of accelerating time relative to the device, and yielding a potential increase in energy. In effect, the mass alters its own time intensity, to overcome the intensity of the secondary field, by trying to change its velocity. If movement is restrained, the vector transformations of time, that we call electrons and magnetic fields, are enhanced. What are your thoughts on the relationship of scalars to gravity? Thanks for your insights into the ATG device. This is really getting to the core of things. Hope everyone is listening ;-) Peter Nielsen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 19 22:44:11 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id WAA01222; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 22:43:23 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 22:43:23 -0700 (PDT) From: openway@nor.com.au Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 15:41:54 +1000 Message-Id: <199708200541.PAA09650@nornet.nor.com.au> X-Sender: openway@pophost.nor.com.au (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Parametrics & scalars. Resent-Message-ID: <"WLjs43.0.yI.rFe-p"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >I suggest that within the realm of science (the HOW of things) we can do no >better than to formulate laws and effects. >In your terms, what would an "explanation" of magnetism be other than a >tabulation of laws and effects? > Time moving in three directions. >> These are the same thing. An "open" system is timeless. > >Peter, you have a gift for making statements that are well-spoken, direct, >and....somehow beyond my comprehension :-) >What does this mean? I want an "explanation" :-) > All is one ;-) Peter Nielsen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 19 23:26:19 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id XAA06853; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 23:25:26 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 23:25:26 -0700 (PDT) From: rvanspaa@eisa.net.au (Robin van Spaandonk) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: experimental time wave generator Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 06:23:55 GMT Organization: Improving Message-ID: <33fc78ff.9096821@mail.eisa.net.au> References: <970819201408_705340039@emout11.mail.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <970819201408_705340039@emout11.mail.aol.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"2Qg3P2.0.-g1.Kte-p"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Tue, 19 Aug 1997 20:15:22 -0400 (EDT), MFergerson@aol.com wrote: [snip] > >Please don't mind all the objections, this sounds like a very interedting >line of research, but let's get the instrumentation protocols straight first. >(Maybe a hamster?) > Ok, so whatever is used, needs to be calibrated first in an equally strong field, that doesn't form part of the apparatus. As for simple, how about a simple light source (preferably monochromatic). Any shift in time rate should become evident as a frequency shift (read color change). Robin van Spaandonk -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Check out: http://www.eisa.net.au/~rvanspaa for how CF depends on temperature. "....,then he should stop, and he will catch up..." PS - no SPAM thanks! -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 19 23:26:48 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id XAA07067; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 23:26:02 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 23:26:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 23:24:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708200624.XAA07012@italy.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: mrandall@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Michael Randall Subject: Re: ATG's BiPEG vs. Jean-Louis's TEP! Resent-Message-ID: <"exlcJ3.0.Hk1.ste-p"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Bob Shannon wrote: >ralph muha wrote: >> >> Bob Shannon wrote: >> > >> >If we look at the many BiPEG schematics on the ATG web page, we find <....> >I had noticed the use of 'bucking' coils, but had not realized that it >was this bucking arangement that is claimed to have self-powered for 18 >minutes. > >This is not good. > >I have tested bucking coils. They only distort flux, and do not >generate scalars as some have claimed. Its quite easy to verify that >flux is conserved in bucking coil systems. > >This is bad news for ATG, they are not dealing with scalar production >with >the bucking coils, unless there is something significant in the energy >extraction systems that are not shown. > Maybe an adjustable Wilbert Smith's coil? I've read that some have reported unusual effects with this coil design. In ATG diagram (BP062697), L1 (collector) and L3 (emitter) are wound in opposite direction to each other, with L1 sliding inside L3. L2 (base) is wound in the same direction as L1 on the same form. In Jean-Louis circuit the emitter and collector coils are interleafed (L1L2L1L2) with the base coil wound on top, in the center of the coil. Another difference between ATG coils and Jean-Louis are the ability of coils L1 & L2 to move (adjustable tuning?) inside L3 verses the fixed form of Jean-Louis coil. Also their coils are larger than Jean-Louis, for greater power output. Also Jean-Louis circuit has a fourth coil, not shown on ATG circuits (could be part of their power extraction circuit). What do you think Bob? Could this design fly? Regards, Michael Randall From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 19 23:32:22 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id XAA08421; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 23:31:57 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 23:31:57 -0700 (PDT) From: openway@nor.com.au Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 16:30:32 +1000 Message-Id: <199708200630.QAA11630@nornet.nor.com.au> X-Sender: openway@pophost.nor.com.au (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Unifying FE effects Resent-Message-ID: <"0i3Z81.0.R32.Nze-p"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: In support of the information I have been providing on translation of EM vectors, I provide the following quotation from a paper entitled, The Role of "Action-at-a-Distance" in the Electro-Magnetic Radiation Produced by an Acclerated Charge. "They (the authors) correctly note that if one decomposes the total electric field in terms of transverse and longitudinal components, one must deal with the fact that the longitudinal component is propagated _instantaneously_". This illustrates the relationship between scalars and time. >From another paper. "The existence of the magnetic flux and the associated vector and scalar potentials allows the definition of a magnetic scalar field which is also a bona fide fluctuation, provided that spatial oscillations of vacuum be permitted". Now I ask, what is the fundamental difference between an electric scalar and a magnetic one? Peter Nielsen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 20 00:12:57 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id AAA05453; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 00:12:00 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 00:12:00 -0700 Message-Id: <199708200713.AAA18494@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: experimental time wave generator Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 00:13:13 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"N0627.0.6L1.-Yf-p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Robin and all, > > > Ok, so whatever is used, needs to be calibrated first in an equally > strong field, that doesn't form part of the apparatus. > As for simple, how about a simple light source (preferably > monochromatic). Any shift in time rate should become evident as a > frequency shift (read color change). > Yes, did you get my reference to the paper where it was suggested that a laser beam be used to measure time changes due to an electric field? (sometimes I'm not sure which list I'm sending things to and who's reading them) Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 20 01:59:29 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id BAA14790; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 01:58:56 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 01:58:56 -0700 Message-ID: <33FA06CE.55F4@mail.dux.ru> Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 00:49:18 +0400 From: "Alexander V. Frolov" Reply-To: frolov@mail.dux.ru Organization: Home Lab X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Flux-Switch Alternators References: <199708182229.PAA00937@mail1.halcyon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"19Nj-1.0._c3.F7h-p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Fred Epps wrote: > > Hi All, > > I have an article recommended by Maxwell called "Design Principles Of > Flux-Switch Alternators" if anybody wants a copy. > > Fred !!! I need it Alexander From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 20 02:10:34 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id CAA15693; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 02:10:16 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 02:10:16 -0700 Message-ID: <33FA084C.253B@mail.dux.ru> Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 00:55:40 +0400 From: "Alexander V. Frolov" Reply-To: frolov@mail.dux.ru Organization: Home Lab X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: News from Russia References: <33FA0236.47AE@mail.dux.ru> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"agmur1.0.2r3.tHh-p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi, Some more news from Russia. Mr. Victor Mironov, Russia, just now patented his perpetuum mobile that use the gravitation field of the planet. He is director of the company "New Civilization". Some solid or liguid mass is working to make the power output only by means of the gravitation field of the planet. Output is rotation force. There is laboratory effect proof. The plan for first demonstration device is: weight 80 kg, 500x500 mm size, output up to 500 watts. Calculated energy density for this technical solution is 150 kg per one Kwt. Some Russian companies already invested his research. Best respects, Alexander V. Frolov From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 20 02:25:51 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id CAA17472; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 02:25:19 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 02:25:19 -0700 Message-Id: <199708200926.CAA28496@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: "Free Energy" Subject: "Large Coil" parametric circuit Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 02:29:42 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01BCAD10.EA61EF20" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"RZu5s3.0.vG4.-Vh-p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01BCAD10.EA61EF20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Folks! In the spirit of others who have built or discussed overunity devices using large coils, here's mine. It is a parametric transformer that uses large coils to create a large change in L in ferrite or metglas cores which is tapped by a parametric output circuit for power. According to Stefan Hartmann's understanding of the Newman motor, this could be called a Newman transformer, understanding of course that Mr. Newman's explanation for his motor is totally different. In the attachment you will see three identical pairs of coils. (The number of pairs is arbitrary.) The primary circuit consists of parallel windings across all six coils in a resonant tank circuit driven by a low-power oscillator. These windings have many turns and are individually high inductance, although because of the parallel arrangement the L of the primary tank as a whole is relatively low. The secondary consists of much smaller windings in a series resonant circuit with the load. Every other secondary winding is in reverse direction so that the sum EMF generated by induction is zero. There is no back EMF because there is no forward EMF-- the energy transfer is entirely through the changing inductance. The cores consist of manganese zinc ferrite or other magnetic material with a high variation of mu with applied field. The entire core assembly may be biased with an orthogonal permanent magnet field to put the cores at the knee of their B/H curve, to maximize change of L with changing primary field. How it works: it is conventional that a large coil generates a large magnetic field, thus the fields in the primary coils are large for a given current. Since the core materials are set up so that even a small variation in field causes a large variation in L, it takes a very small oscillating current in the primary to cause large changes in the inductance of the cores. The energy in a parametric circuit is strictly dependent on the variation of inductance in that circuit. This also is conventional, although not as widely known. Therefore the current in the resonant output circuit will be high. Small current in, large current out...it's as simple as that. Actually it's not as simple as that-- it never is :-) The large current flowing through the output circuit does load the primary to a certain extent by changing the inductance of the cores in opposition to the primary's effect. But this effect is minimized by the large difference between the size of the secondary and primary coils. And the primary current is so small that even if it were to double because of the loading it would still be small compared to the output. (Keep in mind that the usual voltage/winding equation in transformers does not apply here, since there is no induction). I will be interested in comments, especially critical ones. 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BRUo4N++BBfsg70GJ6ywDY68sunCEEdcKgmBSmzxxST4g/HGCW9QMccghyzyyCSXbPLJKKes8sos t+zyyzDHLPPMNNds880456zzzjz37PPPQAct9NBEF2300UgnrfTSTDft9NNQRy311FRXbfXVWGet 9dZcd+3112CHLfbYZMMTAgA7 ------=_NextPart_000_01BCAD10.EA61EF20-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 20 04:20:28 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id EAA27682; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 04:19:51 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 04:19:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33FAD0ED.37B2792D@microtronics.com.au> Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 20:41:41 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List Server Freenrg CC: List Server Vortex Subject: Wesley Gary's Papers X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"f41CP2.0.Im6.GBj-p"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi All, I have added Jerry Decker's and Tim Vaughan's Wesley Gary papers to my site. I have cleaned up the images and added labels to assist in understanding the work. I will shortly present my own paper on the SMOT effect and a good understanding of Gary's work will assist understanding my SMOT theory. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Phone / PC Fax ...... 61 8 8270 2737 E-mail .............. gwatson@microtronics.com.au Home Page ........... Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 20 05:12:28 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id FAA06867; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 05:12:09 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 05:12:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33FA3025.5EAD@mail.dux.ru> Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 03:45:41 +0400 From: "Alexander V. Frolov" Reply-To: frolov@mail.dux.ru Organization: Home Lab X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davelook@hotmail.com CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: News from Russia References: <199708201106.EAA18633@f43.hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"7bD1k3.0.Ch1.Nyj-p"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: davelook@hotmail.com wrote: > > >Hi, > > > >Some more news from Russia. Mr. Victor Mironov, Russia, just now > >patented his perpetuum mobile that use the gravitation field of the > >planet. > >Some Russian companies already invested his research. > > > >Best respects, > >Alexander V. Frolov > > > > > WOW, how can we learn more about it? > Dave L. Sorry, that is all I saw in today's press. Alexander V. Frolov From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 20 05:37:52 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id FAA09202; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 05:37:31 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 05:37:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33FAE2E4.2944@ctv.es> Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 14:28:20 +0200 From: Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga Reply-To: vramos@ctv.es X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: WOODPECKER Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"X2B5q2.0.hF2.9Kk-p"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi all, Some time ago I read on a magazine a report about HAARP, and the old rusian Howitzers. I read these devices emitted scalar waves at very high power (1 GW at least). Common receivers detect these waves like the sound produced by a woodpecker. I don't know if this is right. Can be useable a HF receiver on Jean Naudin experiment? Vicente. -- Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga E-mail: vramos@ctv.es Home Page: http://www.ctv.es/USERS/vramos/home.htm Burriana (Castellon) SPAIN From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 20 05:37:39 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id FAA13599; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 05:37:12 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 05:37:12 -0700 X-Sender: rmuha@mail Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199708200624.XAA07012@italy.it.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 08:37:02 -0400 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: ralph muha Subject: Re: ATG's BiPEG vs. Jean-Louis's TEP! Resent-Message-ID: <"PS4SC2.0.OK3.tJk-p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 2:24 AM -0400 8/20/97, Michael Randall wrote: > >In ATG diagram (BP062697), L1 (collector) and L3 (emitter) are wound in >opposite direction to each other, with L1 sliding inside L3. L2 (base) is > I think you are referring to BP062397 (the sixth schematic). In that diagram, L2 and L3 are mislabeled (swapped), compared to BP062697. In BP062697, they are labeled correctly. L1 is tied to collector, L2 is tied to emitter and L3 (the outside coil) goes from emitter to base (via C4). From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 20 05:51:51 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id FAA15325; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 05:51:32 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 05:51:32 -0700 X-Sender: leoguitar@mail.vossnet.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Re: ATG's BiPEG vs. Jean-Louis's TEP! Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 14:46:04 +0100 Message-Id: <19970820144604.0107080a.in@pop3.vossnet.de> Resent-Message-ID: <"u5-gO3.0.El3.HXk-p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >At 2:24 AM -0400 8/20/97, Michael Randall wrote: >> >>In ATG diagram (BP062697), L1 (collector) and L3 (emitter) are wound in >>opposite direction to each other, with L1 sliding inside L3. L2 (base) is >> >I think you are referring to BP062397 (the sixth schematic). >In that diagram, L2 and L3 are mislabeled (swapped), compared to BP062697. > >In BP062697, they are labeled correctly. L1 is tied to collector, >L2 is tied to emitter and L3 (the outside coil) goes from emitter >to base (via C4). Can somebody tell me,=20 how all these circuits and also JLN=B4s TEP should extract energy at all ??? What kind of energy do they tap and does it only work with using ferrite cores ??? Is it some kind of Cooler or Hendershot converter ? Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 20 05:55:18 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id FAA16071; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 05:55:07 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 05:55:07 -0700 Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 08:51:22 -0400 (EDT) From: John Schnurer To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com cc: John Schnurer Subject: GOOD!!Re: BLOW BY GRINDING BLOW In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"FRgW3.0.0x3.fak-p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/79 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Dear Stuart, What you are asking is VERY good. When an exprimenter can do this for the lay persons they they should have a good grasp themselves. I would like to see the BBGB [be be gee be ]]]] for scalar and the simple "here is how to do it with paper clips". GREAT QUESTION On Wed, 20 Aug 1997, Stuart Rae wrote: > Hi All, > > I wonder if someone could do something simple for me here. It's shouldn't be > too hard. > > (1) Assume I have a superficial idea of how transistors, capacitors, diodes > and inductors(conventional!) work. > > (2) Otherwise assume I'm absolutely stupid. (See, that was easy!:-) > > (3) Describe for me in detail, BLOW BY GRINDING BLOW, how exactly they > understand the TEP (or any selected Bipeg circuit) actually works, without > using any BS, obscure mathematics, OR the dreaded word "scalar". > > Regards, > > Stuart Rae > > > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 20 06:30:50 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id GAA24657; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 06:30:25 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 06:30:25 -0700 Message-ID: <33FB1A73.1714@tiac.net> Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 09:25:23 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Reply-To: bshannon@tiac.net Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Unifying FE effects References: <199708200630.QAA11630@nornet.nor.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"AXxm-1.0.916.l5l-p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: openway@nor.com.au wrote: > Now I ask, what is the fundamental difference between an electric scalar and > a magnetic one? The geometery of the potentials. What is interesting is that if this is correct, we ran out of dimensions. There must be more than three. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 20 06:58:35 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id GAA30103; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 06:58:14 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 06:58:14 -0700 Message-ID: <33FB20F5.767D@tiac.net> Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 09:53:09 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Reply-To: bshannon@tiac.net Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Parametrics & scalars. References: <199708200541.PAA09655@nornet.nor.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"T0l0l.0.GM7.rVl-p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: openway@nor.com.au wrote: > What are your thoughts on the relationship of scalars to gravity? I beleive that nuclear scalar resonance may be able to modulate mass, much as is described by Bearden and others. I'd love to test some coil setups in my portable veriable G field generator, but I'd have to get some data acquition cards in a PCMCIA or CardBus format. These exist, but are still very expensive. If I could show a clear change in the circuit behavior of a scalar sysetem under a constant 2G field, that could be very significant. I'm not able to sustain significantly higher G fields, but I can hold 2G's for quite some time. (Using a constant 60 degree (roll axis) turn yeilds a constant 2G field, my Piper Cherokee 180 can sustain a 60 degree turn for quite some time. Lower G loadings can also be attained, but for very short periods only.) > Thanks for your insights into the ATG device. This is really getting to the > core of things. Hope everyone is listening ;-) Whats your take on the non-bifilar (bucking field) case? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 20 07:04:16 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id HAA22011; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 07:03:26 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 07:03:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33FB21E7.6E22@tiac.net> Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 09:57:11 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Reply-To: bshannon@tiac.net Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: ATG's BiPEG vs. Jean-Louis's TEP! References: <199708200624.XAA07012@italy.it.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"AlZvo1.0.nN5.fal-p"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/82 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Michael Randall wrote: > >This is bad news for ATG, they are not dealing with scalar production > >with > >the bucking coils, unless there is something significant in the energy > >extraction systems that are not shown. > > > > Maybe an adjustable Wilbert Smith's coil? I've read that some have reported > unusual effects with this coil design. I'm not too familiar with this coil arangement. > In ATG diagram (BP062697), L1 (collector) and L3 (emitter) are wound in > opposite direction to each other, with L1 sliding inside L3. L2 (base) is > wound in the same direction as L1 on the same form. In Jean-Louis circuit > the emitter and collector coils are interleafed (L1L2L1L2) with the base > coil wound on top, in the center of the coil. > > Another difference between ATG coils and Jean-Louis are the ability of coils > L1 & L2 to move (adjustable tuning?) inside L3 verses the fixed form of > Jean-Louis coil. Also their coils are larger than Jean-Louis, for greater > power output. Also Jean-Louis circuit has a fourth coil, not shown on ATG > circuits (could be part of their power extraction circuit). Jean-Louis uses adjustable ferrite cores for tuning. This is easiler to do than to adjust the coils themselves. > > What do you think Bob? Could this design fly? Time will tell. At least Jean-Louis is disclosing his full circuit configuration. Thats a step up from ATG's current approach. Say, having published as much as ATG has, haven't they already given up patent rights? If so, why hold back? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 20 07:20:01 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id HAA05032; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 07:19:43 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 07:19:43 -0700 Message-ID: <33FB25F1.6948@tiac.net> Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 10:14:25 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Reply-To: bshannon@tiac.net Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: MFergerson@aol.com CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: loosing your marbles References: <970820025632_1748133462@emout06.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"1BmWM2.0.XE1.-pl-p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: MFergerson@aol.com wrote: > > B. Shannon asked: > > >What were you using as a detector? Have you tested scalar field interference > yet? > > I've been using a pair of small bar magnets glued like-pole-to-like, with a > small-gauge wire coil perpendicular to the polar axis, per a > scalar-transmitter design I saw somewhere. Exciting one unit with sharp > pulses (spikes) gives fairly easily detected signals on the receiver, but > sinewave drive nothing as far as I can tell. Detecting pulses on a receiver? Ok, what kind of receiver are you using here? Is this a conventional EM radio receiver? >From your description, it sounds rather like your 'scalar' device is very similar to the Bedini 'clarifier' design. In my opinion, this is no scalar device by a long shot! Opposed PM poles to not cancel ANY flux at all, they simply distort the fields while flux is conserved. While conventional receivers can and have detected Woodpecker and HAARP signals, these receivers are detecting only the EM carriers, not the scalar products directly. > Also, re teeth as tools: you said: > > >Biology likes to order chaotic input... > > and > > >Teeth are used by Biology to break down large scale structures so that > >the raw materials may be used to create new large scale structures. My > >point being that the teeth are far larger in scale than the raw > >materials. > > I don't see a conflict with my question. The body (cells, DNA, how deep do > you want to go?) uses teeth to BREAK DOWN (disorder) food; from gross > structure e.g. leaves, meat, etc. into as simple components as possible- raw > amino acids, simple sugars, etc. before reordering them into human tissues. My point is that the raw materials are far smaller than the more highly ordered structures they are used to build. > To get picky about it, there is always some entropy added. I do not want to > be accused of attempting to remove any of the poetry or beauty from the > cycles of life, but I will not get into sappy Biology-as-order versus > Technology-as-chaos fuzzinesses. Biology and Technology are simply not > synonymous with Good and Evil. Order and entropy do not relate to good and evil, you have injected these concepts into the discussion, not me. We really cannot argue that there is always more entropy added in biological systems, as there is no metric for order or entropy, and we cannot measure the order contained in information content (as in DNA, etc.) directly. This then degenerates into a philosophical discussion. > And re the SMOT joke bit, I'd like to apologize for calling attention to a > spelling error: I never make misteaks like that, so there! Sure, the last time I was wrong, I had thought I'd made a mistake. > IMHO, trying to simplify complex issues into Yin-Yang dichotomies leads to > neglecting the little ambiguities in life that can lead to great discoveries. > Isn't that what you meant when you said: > > >...Try looking a bit deeper. Yin and Yang may be duals rather than dichotomies, but again, this is philosophy, not 'weird science'. This is not the right venue for this discussion. > Well, what I really wanted to go on about was your statement re: > > >...sets of frequencies have differing effects... (apparently as)...a > function of the chaotic >attractor that can be produced by some frequency > sets... > > This really sets my mind afire. This reminds me of many things that just > won't jell yet, such as harmonic structures in some abstract "phase space" > having direct effect on our 4-space and vice versa, the (now) old idea of > "waves of form" propagating from new structures making repeatability easier > than creation the first time around, and other forms of serious trouble we > can get into if we're not careful. For instance, if somebody does build a > really efficient Barkhausen-type vacuum-energy transducer, would the tension > released from the full balanced vacuum field (gravity, strong/weak nuclear, > EM, and maybe others) reappear as uncontrolled distortions in the otherwise > balanced fields surrounding us? Talk about pollution! Visualize this: you've > replaced the battery in your car with a BB, and when you go to start it, the > local force of gravity is suppressed! Might be a bit awkward. On the other > hand, maybe the title of this thread is particularly appropriate for me...... You may have noticed that I've often flirted with "free energy herasey" by suggesting that working over unity systems may pose an environmental danger far greater than any known technology. Over unity "True beleivers" quickly surround my home, armed with pitchforks and torches, and I suspect I've been burnt in effigy one or twice for even suggesting that as a possibility. But based on my observations of scalar phenomena, we have every reason to beleive that working over unity technology will fit the same pattern that all known forms of energy production technology seem to have followed. The higher the technology used, the greater the environmental impact. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 20 10:06:08 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id KAA11118; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 10:04:45 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 10:04:45 -0700 From: HLafonte@aol.com Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 13:04:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970820130128_-100648778@emout19.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: I am working on jpeg problem Resent-Message-ID: <"TByew1.0.Kj2.bEo-p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Stefan, (to all also ) You had no problem reading jpeg, I have spoke with five people local, who said it looked fine. What do you think is the problem other people are having ? Is there a format that is right for everyone ? These drawings are color coded and need to be full screen if possible. I have a man coming by tomorrow night to help me out. Do you have any idea's as to how I should set things up ? I will zip all files in future as I'm setting up a program now. I have also down loaded conversion software for every format. Also when I do a print screen and paste I get the tool bar along with the window. Any way I can get just window ? Thanks, Butch From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 20 11:43:29 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id LAA04958; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 11:42:03 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 11:42:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: rmuha@mail Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <33F8C4BE.37B8@tiac.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 14:35:15 -0400 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: ralph muha Subject: Re: Barkhausen Battery ? Scalar waves FAQ ? Resent-Message-ID: <"T7wHS.0.ID1.lfp-p"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 5:55 PM -0400 8/18/97, Bob Shannon wrote: >ralph muha wrote: > > > >> Actually, I've been playing around with a Hodowanec 'detector' >> [...] > >While the output is full of 1/f noise, there are other things hidden in >there as well. It's not a good detector design, but it may well detect >something. Well, now that I've cleaned up the circuit a bit, what I'm 'detecting' are lots of sporadic 'pulses' (5-30 usec wide), certainly nothing with any discernable period. My detector (a 1 ufd mylar cap) is remarkably insensitive to anthing other than my monitor screens, and then only when the cap is held parallel to the scan lines. Rotate it 90 deg and all you see are the sporadic pulses, even with the cap body touching the glass. Curiously, ceramic disk caps pick up screen noise at various angles, and the distance of maximum pickup varies with the angle. Even more odd, hold the cap so that the disc edge is parallel to the scan lines, adjust the distance for max signal, then rotate the cap 180 deg. and the signal disappears. I haven't thought about that one at all... >We still have cases where multiple Hodowanec detectors react to the same >external stimuli, if you can get through all the noise.... right, I should build a different detector and compare the two... >Get a sound card fro your PC, and download GRAM23. Try a web search for >'Natural Radio' and you should find a download site for this excellent >software. You will be able to do spectral analisis through your PC >sound board under Windows. > Thanks for the 'natural radio' suggestion. The Longwave home page (http://users.aol.com/lwcanews/) has some great stuff, found an esp good writeup on loop antenna theory. But I don't do windows, only linux and macos. There is a good spect analyzer for linux (and dos/windows), freq51, which I can use. I have a problem with the 22K BW of the sound cards, tho. The pulses just don't look as good as they do on a 150MHz analog scope. At work, we also have an old HP spectrum analyzer (the kind with the crank on the front), which is great... > [...] > >One of my favorite design concepts is to use the Electrostatic >Aharnov-Bohm effect for a detector. > >This might envolve injecting short pulses, 10 nanoseconds or so, into >very long coaxial cables. Once the pulse has fully entered the cable, >we charge the shield of the cable to a known value as the pulse >propogates along the center conductor. Before the pulse reaches the end >of our cable, we must fully discharge the shield. Its critically >important that the cables electrical lenghts be far greater than the >injected pulse width, and that fast analog switches at each end of the >cable be timed correctly to permit pulse enery and exit, but to keep the >line seperated from the rest of the dectector while the pulses are >propogating. 10 nsec is ~10 ft. are we talking about 100 ft or 1000 ft of cable? >The hard part is to charge, and discharge the cable shields quickly >enough. As there is a lot of capacitance here, we are goind to dissapte >a great deal of energy here. Fast analog switches are also cirtical for >the coax lines, and fast methods to control the charge on the shield of >the cables. I'm not sure I follow this. If you don't charge the shield until after the pulse has entered the cable, isn't the charge going to 'chasing' the pulse? how is it going to affect anything? Or is the charge applied from the other end, so it's traveling in the opposite direction? what am I missing here? r From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 20 12:49:44 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id MAA14476; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 12:49:12 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 12:49:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33FA9FC1.158C@mail.dux.ru> Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 11:41:53 +0400 From: "Alexander V. Frolov" Reply-To: frolov@mail.dux.ru Organization: Home Lab X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: "Large Coil" parametric circuit References: <199708200926.CAA28496@mail1.halcyon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"I6yKI1.0.4Y3.qeq-p"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/87 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > > I will be interested in comments, especially critical ones. > > Fred > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > Name: largecoil.gif > Part 1.2 Type: GIF Image (image/gif) > Encoding: base64 > Description: largecoil (GIF Image) Fred! Patent it immediately! Two cores would working normally since you can provide zero secondary current as sum of two anti-phase oscillations. Alexander V. Frolov From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 20 12:49:01 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id MAA22905; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 12:47:56 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 12:47:56 -0700 Message-ID: <33FA9E4B.7DE1@mail.dux.ru> Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 11:35:39 +0400 From: "Alexander V. Frolov" Reply-To: frolov@mail.dux.ru Organization: Home Lab X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Probability waves References: <199708190059.RAA30559@mail1.halcyon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"d7e7U2.0.nb5.gdq-p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Fred Epps wrote: > > Hi Ken! > > You article about extraterrestrial communication using "EI" or > probability waves was very thought provoking. ? The waves of what? By some theory that I meet in 1996 here in the conference, Dr. of Math. A.A.Nassikas used the term "waves of probability" for matter elements mathematical description. > I had toyed with the idea of using the tunneling probability of a tunnel diode as a > detector of intelligent signals from ET or other-dimensional intelligences early in my > studies. I even built a primitive detector with a tunnel diode in the > King's chamber position of a model pyramid to see what would happen. > Unfortunately at the time I didn't have a clue about the electronics > involved, there's no way my detector could have worked. > But the idea has stuck with me. According to your theory, would the > tunneling probability in a tunnel diode be affected by these EI waves? I don't know Ken's theory, but there are Kozyrev's experiments to detect position of the Sun or a star, i.e. real position now instead of its light image we can see after some time period. He used photoelement or resistor in some balance electronic circuit. Why it is working? The waves of "density of time" by Kozyrev is not spreading with some velocity but it is instant (at the moment) change of the space-time in area near some process. The Sun is such sort process. Other examples: deformation of material, dissipation, crystallization... I think the keyword here is THE CHANGE OF THE ENTROPY. The detector is any electronic component, like resistor in the balance bridge by Winston, or the photoelement closed by screen to prevent any direct light influence. Normally we can see these signals as "electronic noise" in all semiconductors. The goal is to find the way for "demodulations" or "decoding" of it. If one can formulate WHAT he must detect, the way is clean. Sorry, next step is know-how. Alexander V. Frolov > > It also seems like a tunnel diode might be used to detect scalars... just a > possibility. > > Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 20 12:52:06 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id MAA23544; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 12:51:38 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 12:51:38 -0700 Message-ID: <33FB73CE.12F5@tiac.net> Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 15:46:38 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Reply-To: bshannon@tiac.net Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Barkhausen Battery ? Scalar waves FAQ ? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"U0br-2.0.jl5.8hq-p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/88 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: ralph muha wrote: > > At 5:55 PM -0400 8/18/97, Bob Shannon wrote: > >ralph muha wrote: > > > > > > > >> Actually, I've been playing around with a Hodowanec 'detector' > >> [...] > > > >While the output is full of 1/f noise, there are other things hidden in > >there as well. It's not a good detector design, but it may well detect > >something. > > Well, now that I've cleaned up the circuit a bit, what I'm 'detecting' > are lots of sporadic 'pulses' (5-30 usec wide), certainly nothing > with any discernable period. > > My detector (a 1 ufd mylar cap) is remarkably insensitive to anthing > other than my monitor screens, and then only when the cap is held > parallel to the scan lines. Rotate it 90 deg and all you see are the > sporadic pulses, even with the cap body touching the glass. Your capacitor is not shileded!? It should be as fully shielded from EM as practical. > Curiously, ceramic disk caps pick up screen noise at various angles, > and the distance of maximum pickup varies with the angle. Even more > odd, hold the cap so that the disc edge is parallel to the scan lines, > adjust the distance for max signal, then rotate the cap 180 deg. and > the signal disappears. I haven't thought about that one at all... Ack! Hmmmm, Errrr, I dunno what this is. Anybody have a clue here? > >We still have cases where multiple Hodowanec detectors react to the same > >external stimuli, if you can get through all the noise.... > > right, I should build a different detector and compare the two... Yes, but keep them in seperate EM shileded boxes. Shield the batteries too for good measure against skeptics. > >Get a sound card fro your PC, and download GRAM23. Try a web search for > >'Natural Radio' and you should find a download site for this excellent > >software. You will be able to do spectral analisis through your PC > >sound board under Windows. > > > Thanks for the 'natural radio' suggestion. The Longwave home page > (http://users.aol.com/lwcanews/) has some great stuff, found an esp > good writeup on loop antenna theory. > > But I don't do windows, only linux and macos. There is a good > spect analyzer for linux (and dos/windows), freq51, which I can > use. I have a problem with the 22K BW of the sound cards, tho. > The pulses just don't look as good as they do on a 150MHz analog > scope. At work, we also have an old HP spectrum analyzer > (the kind with the crank on the front), which is great... Sometimes that older test equipment works FAR better than the newer, all digital stuff. Stick to what works, and forget its vintage. > >One of my favorite design concepts is to use the Electrostatic > >Aharnov-Bohm effect for a detector. > > > >This might envolve injecting short pulses, 10 nanoseconds or so, into > >very long coaxial cables. Once the pulse has fully entered the cable, > >we charge the shield of the cable to a known value as the pulse > >propogates along the center conductor. Before the pulse reaches the end > >of our cable, we must fully discharge the shield. Its critically > >important that the cables electrical lenghts be far greater than the > >injected pulse width, and that fast analog switches at each end of the > >cable be timed correctly to permit pulse enery and exit, but to keep the > >line seperated from the rest of the dectector while the pulses are > >propogating. > > 10 nsec is ~10 ft. are we talking about 100 ft or 1000 ft of cable? That would be true only of the velocity factor of the coax was equal to C. Its usually well below that ranging from just above 50% C to around 97% of C. So we are looking at about 100 to 500 feet of coax per coil. We could go to far shorter pulses, but measurments of any distortion of the pulse becomes more difficult, and the detectors analog switches become the limiting factors well above 1 nanosecond pulse durations. Clearly more coax is the cheaper solution. > >The hard part is to charge, and discharge the cable shields quickly > >enough. As there is a lot of capacitance here, we are goind to dissapte > >a great deal of energy here. Fast analog switches are also cirtical for > >the coax lines, and fast methods to control the charge on the shield of > >the cables. > > I'm not sure I follow this. If you don't charge the shield until > after the pulse has entered the cable, isn't the charge going to > 'chasing' the pulse? how is it going to affect anything? Or is > the charge applied from the other end, so it's traveling in the > opposite direction? what am I missing here? The coax is in the form of a loop, so we are able to inject and extract charge from both ends of the shield, as well as at many points along the shield itself. We simply have taps on the shielding. We might also use 'hardline' coax, and solder the shields together between turns. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 20 14:26:24 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id OAA12012; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 14:24:50 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 14:24:50 -0700 X-Sender: rmuha@mail Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <33FB73CE.12F5@tiac.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 17:24:15 -0400 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: ralph muha Subject: Re: Barkhausen Battery ? Scalar waves FAQ ? Resent-Message-ID: <"Eylg_3.0.bx2.X2s-p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/89 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 6:46 PM -0400 8/20/97, Bob Shannon wrote: > [...] > >Your capacitor is not shileded!? It should be as fully shielded from EM >as practical. the amplifier and batteries are in a small aluminum box, with two phono plugs for attaching various 'detectors'. wrapping the whole thing in aluminum foil does reduce the screen noise pickup considerably but doesn't seem to affect the sporadic pulse pickup at all... I have three mini-tower PCs nearby (two 486DX2/66's and 6x868/150). It doesn't seem to pickup anything at all from them, even without sheilding the cap... r From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 20 14:57:14 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id OAA03688; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 14:56:14 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 14:56:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: rmuha@mail Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <33FB73CE.12F5@tiac.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 17:54:09 -0400 To: bshannon@tiac.net From: ralph muha Subject: Re: Barkhausen Battery ? Scalar waves FAQ ? Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Resent-Message-ID: <"2sjXd1.0.Vv.lVs-p"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/90 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 6:46 PM -0400 8/20/97, Bob Shannon wrote: >[...] > >The coax is in the form of a loop, so we are able to inject and extract >charge from both ends of the shield, as well as at many points along the >shield itself. We simply have taps on the shielding. We might also >use 'hardline' coax, and solder the shields together between turns. what about a multi-turn loop? one of the things I found when I was tracking down the 'natural radio' reference was plans for loop antenna made from 3/4" hard copper pipe and 25 pair phone wire: http://members.aol.com/us66soft/octoloop.htm it's octagonal (eight 3' sections) with 50 turns, so 8 x 3 x 50 = 1200 ft! might be easier to charge 24' of copper pipe than all that shielding... r From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 20 16:00:07 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id PAA00297; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 15:54:49 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 15:54:49 -0700 Message-Id: <199708202255.PAA27920@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: "Free Energy" Subject: Detectors-- what are they detecting? Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 15:49:18 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"A4TW42.0.X4.uMt-p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/91 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi All! These musings on the basic processes of science are deliberately left incomplete. I have been reading P. W. Bridgeman's book on thermodynamics and because of this have become interested in his operationalist approach to science. In brief, this is the idea that the description or explanation of a physical phenomenon IS the process by which we observe it. When you explain something to someone you are essentially instructing them how to construct an apparatus to observe the same results. This has relevance to a number of current and past threads. For instance Ralph Muha is currently detecting pulses in his shielded capacitor detector based on the Hodowanec design. Ken Keasey on his site has described a detector for probability waves from distant natural or artificial sources. Scientists like Maurice Allais have detected anomalous results from pendulums, T.T Brown detected variations in the electrical potential of rocks, and on and on. In a general way, the conclusions I draw from all of these "detections" (and many others) is that there are a wide range of natural influences of which we know very little or nothing. These cannot be placed under a single rubric like "scalar waves" or "time effects" without doing an injustice to the phenomena. I don't think any current theory of reality can do justice to the sum total of these anomalous effects, they are too varied and occur in too many media. It would be interesting to take a different approach, starting at the other end of the process. Let us suppose, as has been said, that there are no closed systems, and that numerous energetic influences penetrate every so-called shielded situation. It follows from this that almost ANY well-constructed detector designed to shield out known local influences will detect something. This seems to be born out by the evidence. Almost everybody who has taken the care to build a well-shielded detector and measured its output on a long enough time baseline has seen SOMETHING! Lets say I have theory A and I believe I can detect it with a special detector D. I build my detector and lo and behold there are signals. I build another detector in another location and the same signal or type of signal occurs. I can say it is a scalar signal or a Z ray. My point is that it does not matter what we call these "detections" because they can be made to fit almost any theory at this point. A purely observational approach would seem to be more useful than constructing deivces aimed at a particular theoretical justification. Suppose we were to list all physical processes amenable to close observation, range them from easiest to produce to most difficult, take the simplest ones, shield them and observe to the best of our ability over many time baselines. Any events observed could be correlated with astronomical or other factors, and with other observations of the same or different processes. The "operations" by which these signals are being observed can be described to others. The explanations we give to these phenomena are purely metaphyical constructions which might give comfort to our souls and a sense of meaning to our life, but at this point in time they probably have no relation to reality. (There is one exception to this situation, and that is where a phenomena can be influenced by an environmental factor that is normally blocked by shielding. This exception would probably nor apply in the majority of cases, because many unknown forces might well be like gravity and not be affected by our machinations) A project like this would gather a large body of experimetal data from which meaningful correlations might be gathered, and possibly the operations we call explanations would someday be possible. It's too early to say. Fred Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 20 16:32:01 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id QAA17389; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 16:30:58 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 16:30:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708202329.IAA03579@fang.dsto.defence.gov.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 08:59 +0930 From: "Shilo, Mark" To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Scientific American Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="====qKbGTUr5YFKN76NlULvsAe4g==NG100000119==" Resent-Message-ID: <"WcYHj3.0.ZF4.jut-p"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/92 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: --====qKbGTUr5YFKN76NlULvsAe4g==NG100000119== Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Freenrg, Tim, I tried to look up your reference to the 1982 Scientific American, Vol =20 236, regarding permanent mag motors - Article was not in evidence. Can =20 you check the reference and re-post? Regards, Mark =20 --====qKbGTUr5YFKN76NlULvsAe4g==NG100000119==-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 20 17:35:12 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id RAA20621; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 17:34:42 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 17:34:42 -0700 From: openway@nor.com.au Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 10:34:30 +1000 Message-Id: <199708210034.KAA12557@nornet.nor.com.au> X-Sender: openway@pophost.nor.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Unifying FE effects Resent-Message-ID: <"uXiI51.0.425.Wqu-p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >> Now I ask, what is the fundamental difference between an electric scalar and >> a magnetic one? > >The geometery of the potentials. What is interesting is that if this is >correct, we ran out of dimensions. There must be more than three. > >Bob Shannon In the system I am describing the fourth dimension is occupied by nuclear particles. Pardon me for asking, but why is your "reply to" set to your address and not the list? Peter Nielsen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 20 17:36:29 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id RAA26668; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 17:35:58 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 17:35:58 -0700 (PDT) From: openway@nor.com.au Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 10:34:35 +1000 Message-Id: <199708210034.KAA12561@nornet.nor.com.au> X-Sender: openway@pophost.nor.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: GOOD!!Re: BLOW BY GRINDING BLOW Resent-Message-ID: <"_IGyt1.0.bW6.iru-p"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/95 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >I would like to see the BBGB [be be gee be ]]]] for scalar and >the simple "here is how to do it with paper clips". > >> (3) Describe for me in detail, BLOW BY GRINDING BLOW, how exactly they >> understand the TEP (or any selected Bipeg circuit) actually works, without >> using any BS, obscure mathematics, OR the dreaded word "scalar". >> The use of destructive interferrence to strip away one vector from a magnetic field. The energy bound in that vector is then dumped into the electric field resulting in gain. The problem is how to extract the added energy without reconverting it to EM form, and thus loading the system back to unity. This is like opening the lid of a box to see if it's dark inside. The answer should be obvious, and it's not another coil. Peter Nielsen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 20 17:35:15 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id RAA20646; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 17:34:46 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 17:34:46 -0700 From: openway@nor.com.au Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 10:34:32 +1000 Message-Id: <199708210034.KAA12559@nornet.nor.com.au> X-Sender: openway@pophost.nor.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Parametrics & scalars. Resent-Message-ID: <"Vakn41.0.Q25.aqu-p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >Whats your take on the non-bifilar (bucking field) case? > Because the apparent flux density is unchanged does not necessarily prove there is conservation. Any primary scalar emission would be in line with the flux through the core, and therefore, contribute to it, possibly accounting for any inductive loss. From my own research, there does appear to be a "splatter" of scalar radiation arising at right angles to the plane of convergence. This might be translated to electrical potential by a cylindrical capacitor enclosing the gap between the coils. BTW, in view of recent posts on the BiPEG and TEP, I think it would pay to give more consideration to caps as an extraction mechanism for O/U. Peter Nielsen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 20 17:58:27 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id RAA26884; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 17:57:54 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 17:57:54 -0700 Message-Id: <199708210059.RAA16175@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: GOOD!!Re: BLOW BY GRINDING BLOW Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 18:03:55 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"MjvzJ2.0.yZ6.HAv-p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/96 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi Peter, All, > > >> (3) Describe for me in detail, BLOW BY GRINDING BLOW, how exactly they > >> understand the TEP (or any selected Bipeg circuit) actually works, without > >> using any BS, obscure mathematics, OR the dreaded word "scalar". > >> > > The use of destructive interferrence to strip away one vector from a > magnetic field. The energy bound in that vector is then dumped into the > electric field resulting in gain. The problem is how to extract the added > energy without reconverting it to EM form, and thus loading the system back > to unity. This is like opening the lid of a box to see if it's dark inside. Ah, maybe a little light glimmers... > The answer should be obvious, and it's not another coil. well, maybe not....:-) Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 20 18:30:50 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id SAA05115; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 18:30:09 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 18:30:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19970821013056.2b3fb40c@home.inetnow.com> X-Sender: hargraves@home.inetnow.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 20:30:56 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: hargraves Subject: Troy Reed's Magnetic Moters / ??????? / HARGRAVES Resent-Message-ID: <"FfhBV1.0.qF1.Vev-p"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/97 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: DOES any one Know what happened to Troy Reed of Reed Magnetic Motors Inc. in Tulsa, Oklahoma USA His office phone has been disconnected and his home phone & address is unlisted. Randy hargraves. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 20 18:37:56 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id SAA00573 for bilb@eskimo.com; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 18:37:54 -0700 Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 18:37:54 -0700 X-Envelope-From: fepps@halcyon.com Wed Aug 20 18:37:53 1997 Received: from mail1.halcyon.com (mail1.halcyon.com [206.63.63.40]) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id SAA00306 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 18:34:32 -0700 Received: from fepps (mtv-pm0-ip5.halcyon.com [204.57.234.5]) by mail1.halcyon.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA24218 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 18:04:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708210104.SAA24218@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: Scientific American Old-Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 18:09:31 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01BCAD94.34C4A980" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Diagnostic: Submission size exceeds 40000 bytes X-Envelope-To: freenrg-l Status: RO X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01BCAD94.34C4A980 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Mark, Here is one page on the Monus motors to look at unitl you get the whole article... Fred Tim, I tried to look up your reference to the 1982 Scientific American, Vol 236, regarding permanent mag motors - Article was not in evidence. 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srae@shoppe.mlb.planet.gen.nz Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: srae@mlb.planet.gen.nz (Stuart Rae) Subject: Re: GOOD!!Re: BLOW BY GRINDING BLOW X-Mailer: Resent-Message-ID: <"SuRiJ.0.yF.ymv-p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/98 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi All, >> >> The use of destructive interferrence to strip away one vector from a >> magnetic field. The energy bound in that vector is then dumped into the >> electric field resulting in gain. The problem is how to extract the added >> energy without reconverting it to EM form, and thus loading the system >back >> to unity. This is like opening the lid of a box to see if it's dark >inside. > >Ah, maybe a little light glimmers... > >> The answer should be obvious, and it's not another coil. > >well, maybe not....:-) > >Fred > Please don't forget: >(2) Otherwise assume I'm absolutely stupid. (See, that was easy!:-) I STILL can't figure out which thimble the pea is under....:-) Stuart From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 20 19:11:43 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id TAA07908; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 19:09:45 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 19:09:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 21 Aug 97 13:51 NZST X-Sender: srae@shoppe.mlb.planet.gen.nz Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: srae@mlb.planet.gen.nz (Stuart Rae) Subject: Re: GOOD!!Re: BLOW BY GRINDING BLOW X-Mailer: Resent-Message-ID: <"fXDCd2.0.3x1.oCw-p"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/99 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Sorry. In my last post I meant to say (i.e. in phase conjucate terms): "I STILL can't figure out which pea the thimble is under....:-)" SR From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 20 19:31:35 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id TAA12744; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 19:30:48 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 19:30:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: rmuha@mail Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 22:29:17 -0400 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: ralph muha Subject: Re: GOOD!!Re: BLOW BY GRINDING BLOW Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Resent-Message-ID: <"ktV2I.0.073.JXw-p"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/100 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 9:37 AM -0400 8/21/97, Stuart Rae wrote: > >I STILL can't figure out which thimble the pea is under....:-) > It's under all of them, until you lift one up and look... r From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 20 19:58:13 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id TAA12632; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 19:56:51 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 19:56:51 -0700 Message-Id: <199708210350.WAA23621@csrlink.net> From: "Jim Shaffer, Jr." To: Subject: Re: Unifying FE effects Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 16:36:31 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"mfckr2.0.B53.mvw-p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > "The existence of the magnetic flux and the associated vector and scalar > potentials allows the definition of a magnetic scalar field which is also a > bona fide fluctuation, provided that spatial oscillations of vacuum be > permitted". In other words, aether can be manipulated by the proper configuration of magnetic fields? That would go a long way toward explaining the experiments of the likes of Mesmer, Reickenbach, Reich, Keely, Pavlita, etc. "I don't want the world -- I just want your half." --T.M.B.G. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 20 20:01:53 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id UAA15469; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 20:01:00 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 20:01:00 -0700 (PDT) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 19:45:29 -0700 Subject: Re: Scientific American Message-ID: <19970820.195420.3286.2.tv@juno.com> References: <199708202329.IAA03579@fang.dsto.defence.gov.au> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-3,5-24 From: tv@juno.com (Tim D Vaughan) Resent-Message-ID: <"ISV8p1.0.bn3.azw-p"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Will do, give me a couple days. Tim On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 08:59 +0930 "Shilo, Mark" writes: >--====qKbGTUr5YFKN76NlULvsAe4g==NG100000119== >Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > >Hello Freenrg, > >Tim, > >I tried to look up your reference to the 1982 Scientific American, Vol > =20 >236, regarding permanent mag motors - Article was not in evidence. >Can =20 >you check the reference and re-post? > >Regards, >Mark =20 >--====qKbGTUr5YFKN76NlULvsAe4g==NG100000119==-- > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 20 20:13:50 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id UAA17412; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 20:13:07 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 20:13:07 -0700 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 21 Aug 97 15:11 NZST X-Sender: srae@shoppe.mlb.planet.gen.nz Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: srae@mlb.planet.gen.nz (Stuart Rae) Subject: Re: "Large Coil" parametric circuit X-Mailer: Resent-Message-ID: <"2ILCZ.0.yF4.19x-p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/103 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi Fred and All, > In the spirit of others who have built or discussed overunity devices >using large coils, here's mine............ >snip > I will be interested in comments, especially critical ones. BRILLIANT, and simple concept. It looks like a perfect application of the parametric principle. And your BBGB says it well. In fact, I almost have it fired up in my mental laboratory!!! And in the first "flush" I'm also inclined to agree with Alexander Frolov that: >Fred! Patent it immediately! Two cores would working normally since you >can provide zero secondary current as sum of two anti-phase >oscillations. > (i.e. if I interpret him right........and you believe in patents....:-) My thumbs are sore already just thinking about winding more of those toroids:-) > Actually it's not as simple as that-- it never is :-) The large current >flowing through the output circuit does load the primary to a certain >extent by changing the inductance of the cores in opposition to the >primary's effect. Yes, it seems your key words are "by changing the inductance of the cores". Can you amplify your thoughts on the potential loading of the primary a little more - BBGB - i.e. apart from the matter of: >But this effect is minimized by the large difference >between the size of the secondary and primary coils. And the primary >current is so small that even if it were to double because of the loading >it would still be small compared to the output. and >(Keep in mind that the >usual voltage/winding equation in transformers does not apply here, since >there is no induction). > Now there's a problem......:-) OK, so are there any serious theoretical objections "out there", as to why this brilliant circuit of Fred's SHOULDN'T work??????? PLEASE SPEAK UP NOW, BEFORE MY THUMBS FALL OFF. Regards, Stuart Rae From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 20 20:22:08 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id UAA19365; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 20:21:46 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 20:21:46 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970820215800.007f3750@inforamp.net> X-Sender: quinney@inforamp.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 21:58:30 -0400 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Quinney Subject: Re: Detectors-- what are they detecting? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"VTdp3.0.Rk4.9Hx-p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Thank you very much Fred. An excellent scientific perspective. And...we have to give these signals a name, so that we all know what is being referred to. My suggestion is that perhaps the first tentative names of the various "detections" should reflect the type of detector *and* perhaps, the waveform. That's all. Has anyone done a coincidence difference signal analysis, using two or three identical shielded detectors yet? I would predict that once the results of three detectors triangulating directionality to a very distant source, the excitement level and interest may increase exponentially. This is a project that many of us could get involved in. We all need to use the same identical detectors naturally, so that we all know that we are indeed looking at the same "type" of signal. And in that vein, three KISS questions first come to mind: 1} What type of detector should we use for this coordinated project ? 2} What should we use for coincidence counters or difference signal processors. 3} How could we inexpensively hook up our computers to do all the signal processing. .. for those of us who do not have lots of electronic skills, and test equipment, but may be ok with just small breadboard circuits. (..people just like me. :-) Btw, I hacked your excellent post up a bit, below. ..sorry.. : ( At 03:49 PM 8/20/97 -0700, Fred Epps wrote: an operationalist approach to science. >ANY well-constructed detector designed to shield out known local >influences will detect something. I build my detector and lo and behold there are signals. I >build another detector in another location and the same signal or type of >signal occurs. > A purely observational >approach would seem to be more useful than constructing deivces aimed at a >particular theoretical justification. >The "operations" by which these signals are being observed can >be described to others. > A project like this would gather a large body of experimetal data from >which meaningful correlations might be gathered, > >Fred Colin Quinney. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 20 20:33:26 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id UAA20160; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 20:32:52 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 20:32:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 21 Aug 97 15:30 NZST X-Sender: srae@shoppe.mlb.planet.gen.nz Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: srae@mlb.planet.gen.nz (Stuart Rae) Subject: Re: GOOD!!Re: BLOW BY GRINDING BLOW X-Mailer: Resent-Message-ID: <"QsAbz2.0.vw4.XRx-p"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi r, >>I STILL can't figure out which thimble the pea is under....:-) >> >It's under all of them, until you lift one up and look... YES..................I walked into that one. Perhaps my second post solves the "scalar" problem......:-) Stuart From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 20 21:11:17 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id VAA27878; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 21:10:40 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 21:10:40 -0700 From: HLafonte@aol.com Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 00:10:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970821000934_1581150815@emout19.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Magnets and kinetic energy Resent-Message-ID: <"-kfz01.0.Vp6.--x-p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/106 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: When two magnets are moving toward each other in the attraction mode they seem to lock together rather than move past each other due to the kinetic energy they have, then continue to swing with each cycle getting smaller. But instead they lock. At times they seem to swing past center but never close to the arc length of the release point. Would they behave like this in a friction free situation? Aerodymanic drag and loses in the magnet due to Hysteresis, ect., account for some of the loss I'm sure, but the basic behavior is to not swing past the magnet anywhere near as far in distance from the magnet when it started to move under the attraction force. Better put, if a magnet on a flywheel was to rotate around to a like magnet in attraction, would the magnet swing past and attempt to rotate all the way around if it wasn't for the loses due to friction, air drag, hys. ect. ? Is it that it would have to start it's attraction at an infinite distance from the magnet to have a near equal swing away distance? This is a part of the balance system I'm working on and I would like to make sure I'm seeing this right. Comments, please ! Thanks, Butch LaFonte From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 20 21:25:23 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id VAA31282; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 21:24:56 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 21:24:56 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970820222041.007326cc@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 22:20:41 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: Re: "Large Coil" parametric circuit In-Reply-To: <199708200926.CAA28496@mail1.halcyon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"0w9bV2.0.ge7.NCy-p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/107 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi Fred, all! Fred wrote about the "Large Coil" parametric circuit: > I will be interested in comments, especially critical ones. Well, my concern, and one that I've validated with a two toroid device, is the difficulty in matching the individual transformers. Even cores that have been matched for Al do not have identical BH curves. Then there is the problem of matching the windings. Even the slight variations in leakage inductance (a couple percent of the magnetizing inductance is not unreasonable to expect as leakage inductance, and that varies a fraction of a percent from unit to unit even on machine wound units) throws the whole thing into a cocked hat. These problems can be overcome, but you're right, it's not that easy. So far the two toroid approach shows the most promise I think. If there is anything to this domain avalanche theory producing practical amounts of energy...we shall see. Now I have a question...what wave form is best suited to driving such a device? My gut feeling is it's a square wave, assuming that the domain avalanching effect provides the energy. But the losses from the high order harmonics sort screws that idea up. Also, where does the energy come from that disorganizes the domains between cycles? If you just shove the material up and down the BH curve all you'll find from the domain's "friction," eddy currents, leakage inductance and parasitic capacitance, are losses. I'm itching to try this on some MetGlas samples....durn UPS strike seems to have caused them to be lost in transit. Hopefully, now that that's settled, they'll show up soon. Best Regards, JD ------------------------------------------------------------ "Those who do not know the torment of the unknown cannot have the joy of discovery." -Claude Bernard. E-mail to: mules@palacenet.net ------------------------------------------------------------ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 20 22:50:19 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id WAA08844; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 22:49:59 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 22:49:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <199708210034.KAA12559@nornet.nor.com.au> References: Conversation <199708210034.KAA12559@nornet.nor.com.au> with last message <199708210034.KAA12559@nornet.nor.com.au> Priority: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 To: "Free Energy" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Fred Epps" Subject: Re: Parametrics & scalars. Date: Wed, 20 Aug 97 18:20:50 PDT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"HXYm5.0.3A2.5Sz-p"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/108 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi All, ---------- > >Whats your take on the non-bifilar (bucking field) case? I don't really understand the difference between the bucking coil and the bifilar coil case. Simplest example: Tw sets of air-wound coils, with the windings over each other. In one set the windings are in the same direction (say both CW), the other set the windings are in reverse directions. In the reverse wound set the current enters from the same end. At any point as the current travels the fields are exactly opposed, so the energy is converted into a potential form (scalarized, if you wish). In the same direction set the curent enters from opposite ends so there is a brief interval of time when the fields are not in juxtaposition, but then they are , and the emergy is again coverted into potential. The difference is then only in the first nS of current. Do I have this right? If the operation of the reverse wound BiPEG depends on this nS of "non-juxtapostion" then it is not a scalar device, if I understand the definitions. If it does not depend on this first few nS, then it is a scalar device in the same sense as the other BiPEGs. This brings to mind the discussion of the Koenig coil windings (two windings in opposite directions with current entering at oppsite ends so both currents flow in the same direction and assist each other magnetically). It seemed to be the consensus that these were not differnt from regualr coils in their action. Now however the noninductive analog of the same device is NOT the same as the noninductive analog of a regular winding. It seems logical that if bucking and 'bifilar' coils are different, then Koenig and regular coils are different. Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 20 23:34:24 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id XAA24759; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 23:33:38 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 23:33:38 -0700 Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 01:30:35 -0500 (CDT) From: Zack Widup Subject: Re: GOOD!!Re: BLOW BY GRINDING BLOW To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"2hpbz1.0.m26.15--p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/109 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Wed, 20 Aug 1997, ralph muha wrote: > At 9:37 AM -0400 8/21/97, Stuart Rae wrote: > > > >I STILL can't figure out which thimble the pea is under....:-) > > > It's under all of them, until you lift one up and look... Yes, but is it dead or alive? :-) Zack From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 20 23:38:34 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id XAA25236; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 23:38:24 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 23:38:24 -0700 Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 02:37:25 -0400 From: Ralph E Griffin Subject: What Happened to Digest Mode? To: Free Energy List Message-ID: <199708210237_MC2-1DC5-196C@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"Ymnqj3.0.DA6.W9--p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/110 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I was on the list in digest mode. Suddenly, I was not getting any more messages after July 30. I was too busy to do anything about it. Suddenly, I started getting messages again starting Aug 19, but the volum= e number (which is identified in the subject heading of each message and which is incremented for each message) was reset back to 1 for the first message after the long pause. So it seems like it must be something that happened in the list processor instead of something that happened in my Email provider (CompuServe). What happened? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 20 23:46:58 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id XAA26506; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 23:46:45 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 23:46:45 -0700 Message-Id: <199708210639.XAA19370@claim.goldrush.com> From: "Wes Crosiar" To: Subject: Re: Troy Reed's Magnetic Moters / ??????? / HARGRAVES Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 22:35:17 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"0Nq7S1.0.2U6.JH--p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/111 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: ---------- > From: hargraves > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Troy Reed's Magnetic Moters / ??????? / HARGRAVES > Date: Wednesday, August 20, 1997 6:30 PM > > DOES any one Know what happened to Troy Reed of > Reed Magnetic Motors Inc. in Tulsa, Oklahoma USA > His office phone has been disconnected > and his home phone & address is unlisted. > > Randy hargraves. > Does anyone know the working principle or the Patent# for Troy Reeds motor? wes From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 21 00:04:34 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id AAA30000; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 00:04:07 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 00:04:07 -0700 Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 00:04:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708210704.AAA03422@pop1.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: szdanq@peseta.ucdavis.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dan Quickert Subject: Re: GOOD!!Re: BLOW BY GRINDING BLOW Resent-Message-ID: <"Qy0TO1.0.XK7.cX--p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Peter and all, >The problem is how to extract the added energy without >reconverting it to EM form, and thus loading the system >back to unity. This is like opening the lid of a box to see >if it's dark inside. >The answer should be obvious, and it's not another coil. > >Peter Nielsen Of course - you open it in a darkened room ;-) Dan From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 21 00:29:05 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id AAA18354; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 00:28:42 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 00:28:42 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 19:27:30 +1000 Message-Id: <199708210927.TAA13901@main.murray.net.au> X-Sender: egel@main.murray.net.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Geoff Egel Subject: Re: Flux-Switch Alternators Resent-Message-ID: <"Jq2Qt1.0.gU4.du--p"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 11:55 AM 8/19/97 -0400, you wrote: > > >On Mon, 18 Aug 1997, Fred Epps wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> I have an article recommended by Maxwell called "Design Principles Of >> Flux-Switch Alternators" if anybody wants a copy. >> >> Fred >> >Hi Fred, >I would very much like to see a copy of this. > >Pete Aldo > >Could you send me a copy too Please Geoff > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 21 00:54:10 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id AAA02371; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 00:53:48 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 00:53:48 -0700 Message-ID: <33FCDDE6.1723@triode.net.au> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 17:31:35 -0700 From: Maxwell X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Free Energy List Subject: For Stuart Ray Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------4C674AF53F" Resent-Message-ID: <"fU8c21.0.ua.BG_-p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------4C674AF53F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Stuart, Direct mail from me to you keeps bouncing! Here is the returned mail message. -- Maxwell. --------------4C674AF53F Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from localhost (localhost) by iggy.triode.net.au (8.8.5/8.6.9(iggy)) with internal id RAA10342; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 17:26:01 +1000 Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 17:26:01 +1000 From: Mail Delivery Subsystem Subject: Returned mail: User unknown Message-Id: <199708210726.RAA10342@iggy.triode.net.au> To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/report; report-type=delivery-status; boundary="RAA10342.872148361/iggy.triode.net.au" Auto-Submitted: auto-generated (failure) This is a MIME-encapsulated message --RAA10342.872148361/iggy.triode.net.au The original message was received at Thu, 21 Aug 1997 17:25:40 +1000 from dialup-4.triode.net.au [203.63.235.20] ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- ----- Transcript of session follows ----- ... while talking to atom.om.com.au.: >>> RCPT To: <<< 550 ... User unknown 550 ... User unknown --RAA10342.872148361/iggy.triode.net.au Content-Type: message/delivery-status Reporting-MTA: dns; iggy.triode.net.au Received-From-MTA: dns; dialup-4.triode.net.au Arrival-Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 17:25:40 +1000 Final-Recipient: rfc822; mindtech@om.com.au Action: failed Status: 5.1.1 Remote-MTA: dns; atom.om.com.au Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 550 ... User unknown Last-Attempt-Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 17:26:01 +1000 --RAA10342.872148361/iggy.triode.net.au Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: max@triode.net.au Received: from dialup-4.triode.net.au (dialup-4.triode.net.au [203.63.235.20]) by iggy.triode.net.au (8.8.5/8.6.9(iggy)) with SMTP id RAA10340; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 17:25:40 +1000 Message-ID: <33FC9D13.1D86@triode.net.au> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 12:54:59 -0700 From: Maxwell X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stuart Rae CC: Peter Nielsen Subject: Re: e-mail problems References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Stuart Rae wrote: > > Hi Maxwell, I got this one ok but did not notice it until I went to clean out my intray (1000 messages!!). Also I have made 2 sets of phtocopies of the parametric stuff Fred sent to me. One copy is for you, and the other is for Peter Neilson. I have not sent them yet. I appologise for the slowness in getting around to it but I AM getting around to it soon. :-} Maybe you can send your address again - Im not sure I got it. You too Peter. > I've just had a note from Fred that said: > > > > >Maxwell just wrote me and metioned that his email to you is bouncing. He > >has the right address. How are comms? > > > > I've just replied to him saying: > > >Yes, I think Maxwell must be right. A while ago all my incoming e-mail was > scrambled, and somehow destroyed all the existing contents of my "In" box. I > ended up with various empty posts and a nasty little mess in my computer. > After sorting that out I noticed I wasn't receiving any e-mail. Had thought > it was a problem in my computer, but now realise it must have been a problem > with the system. I also posted a comment on the "Koenig paper" to the list, > but didn't see any other comments in reply - did you? > > snip > > So I'm not too sure just what mail I've missed out on here. Hope it's all OK > now. > > Regards, > > Stuart Rae -- Maxwell. "Buy my book: "Bunji jumping for the busy executive" --RAA10342.872148361/iggy.triode.net.au-- --------------4C674AF53F-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 21 01:12:56 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id BAA03809; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 01:12:41 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 01:12:41 -0700 Message-ID: <33FCE6A4.1B54@triode.net.au> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 18:08:52 -0700 From: Maxwell X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Flux-Switch Alternators References: <199708210927.TAA13901@main.murray.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"3GBm3.0.Qx.uX_-p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: There is a copy on Greg Watson home page. Good researching, Maxwell. Geoff Egel wrote: > > At 11:55 AM 8/19/97 -0400, you wrote: > > > > > >On Mon, 18 Aug 1997, Fred Epps wrote: > > > >> Hi All, > >> > >> I have an article recommended by Maxwell called "Design Principles Of > >> Flux-Switch Alternators" if anybody wants a copy. > >> > >> Fred > >> > >Hi Fred, > >I would very much like to see a copy of this. > > > >Pete Aldo > > > >Could you send me a copy too Please > Geoff > > -- Maxwell. "Buy my book: "Bunji jumping for the busy executive" From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 21 01:17:55 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id BAA04273; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 01:17:47 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 01:17:47 -0700 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 21 Aug 97 20:16 NZST X-Sender: srae@shoppe.mlb.planet.gen.nz Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: srae@mlb.planet.gen.nz (Stuart Rae) Subject: Re: GOOD!!Re: BLOW BY GRINDING BLOW X-Mailer: Resent-Message-ID: <"8EIBj3.0.g21.gc_-p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi All, Zack wrote: > >> At 9:37 AM -0400 8/21/97, Stuart Rae wrote: >> > >> >I STILL can't figure out which thimble the pea is under....:-) >> > >> It's under all of them, until you lift one up and look... > >Yes, but is it dead or alive? :-) > >Zack> Magic Zack! I wondered if anyone had noticed the way I'd spelt it "conjucate". You might call it a Freudian slip:-) But then I was thinking about Fred's Vector "cat" at the time...:-) Oh well..........back to the crossword. Regards, Stuart From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 21 04:16:43 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id EAA03069; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 04:16:08 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 04:16:08 -0700 (PDT) From: rvanspaa@eisa.net.au (Robin van Spaandonk) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Parametrics & scalars. Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 10:53:40 GMT Organization: Improving Message-ID: <3401e33b.11810364@mail.eisa.net.au> References: <199708200541.PAA09655@nornet.nor.com.au> <33FB20F5.767D@tiac.net> In-Reply-To: <33FB20F5.767D@tiac.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"fXkJR3.0.rl.rD2_p"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Wed, 20 Aug 1997 09:53:09 -0700, Bob Shannon wrote: [snip] >(Using a constant 60 degree (roll axis) turn yeilds a constant 2G field, >my Piper Cherokee 180 can sustain a 60 degree turn for quite some time. >Lower G loadings can also be attained, but for very short periods only.) [snip] Sounds like a hard way to apply centrifugal force. Why not just put your equipment on a turntable (large if need be). Robin van Spaandonk -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Check out: http://www.eisa.net.au/~rvanspaa for how CF depends on temperature. "....,then he should stop, and he will catch up..." PS - no SPAM thanks! -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 21 04:16:44 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id EAA03094; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 04:16:14 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 04:16:14 -0700 (PDT) From: rvanspaa@eisa.net.au (Robin van Spaandonk) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Barkhausen Battery ? Scalar waves FAQ ? Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 10:53:41 GMT Organization: Improving Message-ID: <3403e682.12649260@mail.eisa.net.au> References: <33FB73CE.12F5@tiac.net> In-Reply-To: <33FB73CE.12F5@tiac.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"6GKhu3.0.Bm.vD2_p"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/118 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Wed, 20 Aug 1997 15:46:38 -0700, Bob Shannon wrote: [snip] > >Yes, but keep them in seperate EM shileded boxes. Shield the batteries >too for good measure against skeptics. [snip] I'm kinda' curious what sort of material shields against skeptics?;) Robin van Spaandonk -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Check out: http://www.eisa.net.au/~rvanspaa for how CF depends on temperature. "....,then he should stop, and he will catch up..." PS - no SPAM thanks! -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 21 04:16:47 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id EAA03118; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 04:16:21 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 04:16:21 -0700 (PDT) From: rvanspaa@eisa.net.au (Robin van Spaandonk) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: experimental time wave generator Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 10:53:28 GMT Organization: Improving Message-ID: <33fed78e.8821059@mail.eisa.net.au> References: <199708200713.AAA18494@mail1.halcyon.com> In-Reply-To: <199708200713.AAA18494@mail1.halcyon.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ZMLc4.0.dm.-D2_p"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Wed, 20 Aug 1997 00:13:13 -0700, Fred Epps wrote: [snip] >Yes, did you get my reference to the paper where it was suggested that a >laser beam be used to measure time changes due to an electric field? [snip] Yes I did, but I think your suggestion suffers from the "in-out" problem mentioned earlier. To avoid this problem, it is necessary that the *source* of light actually be contained within the field being tested. I might add, that if no "clock" can be found, then essentially one has a field that has an effect indistinguishable from that of changing time, hence effectively a time machine (perhaps more accurately, a "stasis" field - to borrow a little trekkie terminology). So almost paradoxically, the criterion for success when trying to produce such a field, may well be that no clock can be found with which to measure the effect. Robin van Spaandonk -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Check out: http://www.eisa.net.au/~rvanspaa for how CF depends on temperature. "....,then he should stop, and he will catch up..." PS - no SPAM thanks! -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 21 07:25:19 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id HAA28259; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 07:24:56 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 07:24:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: richarda@mailhub.icx.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <970820130128_-100648778@emout19.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 10:24:26 -0400 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Richard Austin Subject: Re: I am working on jpeg problem Resent-Message-ID: <"7Ke2D3.0.Sv6.r-4_p"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >Stefan, (to all also ) > You had no problem reading jpeg, I have spoke with five people local, who >said it looked fine. What do you think is the problem other people are having >? Is there a format that is right for everyone ? These drawings are color >coded and need to be full screen if possible. I have a man coming by tomorrow >night to help me out. Do you have any idea's as to how I should set things up >? I will zip all files in future as I'm setting up a program now. I have also >down loaded conversion software for every format. Also when I do a print >screen and paste I get the tool bar along with the window. Any way I can get >just window ? >Thanks, >Butch It's better not to zip jpegs. First, not everyone is uses PC's (some folks have no unzipping capability); and second, jpegs are already compressed and couldn't be compressed any better with zipping... Richard Austin -- email: richarda@icx.net -- radio: KG7SU Check out the Institute for Planetary Renewal at http://user.icx.net/~richarda From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 21 08:25:37 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id IAA07276; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 08:24:43 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 08:24:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19970821152541.44efd1d2@home.inetnow.com> X-Sender: hargraves@home.inetnow.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 10:25:41 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: hargraves Subject: Re: Troy Reed's Magnetic Moters / ??????? / HARGRAVES Resent-Message-ID: <"67omE.0.an1.ss5_p"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >> DOES any one Know what happened to Troy Reed of >> Reed Magnetic Motors Inc. in Tulsa, Oklahoma USA >> His office phone has been disconnected >> and his home phone & address is unlisted. >> >> Randy hargraves. >> >Does anyone know the working principle or the Patent# for Troy Reeds motor? >wes ----------------------------------------------------- I don't know anything. where if i recall correctly. it utilized the repalling charctoristics of the magnets more mor that the drawing charictoristics. thus., I believe it to be much like the johnson magnet motor. one thing for sure he was promoting it & lic-sin-ing the right to manufacture a lot like howard johnson I my oppinion they both over burrened there inventions. Oh!!! The reed magnetic motor had pistons. its.a funny looking thing. Randy Hargraves > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 21 08:29:17 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id IAA07869; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 08:28:42 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 08:28:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19970821152946.44370cfe@home.inetnow.com> X-Sender: hargraves@home.inetnow.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 10:29:46 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: hargraves Subject: Re: Troy Reed's Magnetic Moters / ??????? / HARGRAVES Resent-Message-ID: <"CRj7p3.0.pw1.cw5_p"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/122 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >Does anyone know the working the Patent# for Troy Reeds motor? >wes > >I think that i fond it on the greg watson web page one time. not sure thought. when i get a chance i'll look. I don' recall how it was listed >Randy Hargraves From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 21 12:06:05 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id MAA11007; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 12:04:49 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 12:04:49 -0700 (PDT) From: HLafonte@aol.com Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 15:02:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970821150255_1218390420@emout20.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Induction coils of wire other than copper ? Resent-Message-ID: <"q0YPE.0.uh2.D59_p"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/123 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Question, Has there ever been any research done on coils of the Newman type, that are made with other types of metal such as, aluminum, steel, iron, ni-chrome, ect. ? I don't think these types of metal wire are available in " magnet wire " type (non-conductive coating ). Is this the reason or is it because the outcome of the research can be predicted by math? Also does a fiber optic cable have a magnetic field around it, however weak? Also, what happens to the magnetic field around a wire when the wire is vaporized buy a ultra high voltage? What if you had plastic tubing in a coil shape and salt water (or mercury) in it and you ran a ultra high voltage thru it and vaporized it, where would the magnetic field collapse to? Just when you thought I had run out of questions, and it was safe to get on the web! Comments, please Butch From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 21 12:16:39 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id MAA30099; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 12:15:57 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 12:15:57 -0700 From: bpaddock@csonline.net (Bob Paddock) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Induction coils of wire other than copper ? Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 15:09:46 -0400 Organization: is mostly via piles Reply-To: bpaddock@csonline.net Message-ID: <6JJ/zUQy8YQR092yn@csonline.net> References: <970821150255_1218390420@emout20.mail.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <970821150255_1218390420@emout20.mail.aol.com> Lines: 17 Resent-Message-ID: <"rE7nW3.0.6M7.hF9_p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >Also does a fiber optic cable have a magnetic field around it, however weak? Fiber Optic cable can be made of either glass or plastic. So the answer is No. Contrary to popular belief Fiber Optic cable can be effected by external influences. Things like the Kerr Effect, Pockles Effect, Faraday Effect, Brag Effect et. al.... Usually not a issue in the way they are typically applied. -- For information on any of the following check out my WEB site at: http://www.usachoice.net/bpaddock Chemical Free Air Conditioning/No CFC's, Chronic Pain Relief, Electromedicine, Electronics, Explore!, Free Energy, Full Disclosure, KeelyNet, Matric Limited, Neurophone, Oil City PA, Philadelphia Experiment. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 21 12:40:15 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id MAA02323; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 12:39:45 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 12:39:45 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970821144037.006a2b50@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 14:40:37 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: Re: Induction coils of wire other than copper ? In-Reply-To: <970821150255_1218390420@emout20.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"aIqL81.0.Ca._b9_p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/125 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi Butch...All, At 15:02 8/21/97 -0400, HLafonte@aol.com wrote: >Question, >Has there ever been any research done on coils of the Newman type, that are >made with other types of metal such as, aluminum, steel, iron, ni-chrome, >ect. ? I don't think these types of metal wire are available in " magnet wire >" type (non-conductive coating ). Magnet wire made of aluminum, and insulated with traditional magnet wire materials is available....and it's also available with anodizing as insulation. Even in square cross section! You get a really full winding window with square wire. If the mass of the winding is important you may want to look into this...in either copper, or aluminum. Best Regards, JD ---------------------------------------------------- "Somewhere between anticipation and nostalgia we should have been happy." -Too Much Coffee Man #1 E-mail to mules@palacenet.net ---------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 21 12:40:37 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id MAA02421; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 12:40:18 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 12:40:18 -0700 From: Keasy@aol.com Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 15:39:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970821153849_-1436861415@emout11.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Magnets and kinetic energy Resent-Message-ID: <"mB1-5.0.kb.Wc9_p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/126 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Butch, Certainly the magnets/forces are a conservative system. Hysteresis losses will always be there, but I suspect most of your losses in any experiment you set up are losses in the mechanical system you are using to constrain the motion of the magnets. With a flywheel-magnet and a fixed magnet you would expect at best the flywheel to rotate close to the same arc length on the other side of the fixed magnet. It would never rotate all the way around unless you gave it initial angular momentum. This is somewhat similar to the SMOT that Greg et. al. are working on except they are using magnets and a high-mu ball, not 2 magnets. Ken Keasy@aol.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 21 17:14:32 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id RAA19478; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 17:13:53 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 17:13:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33FD0276.DE6@tiac.net> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 20:07:34 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Reply-To: bshannon@tiac.net Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Unifying FE effects References: <199708210034.KAA12557@nornet.nor.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"GWa_v3.0.Bm4.ycD_p"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/127 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: openway@nor.com.au wrote: > Pardon me for asking, but why is your "reply to" set to your address and not > the list? Fair question. Mainly becuase I exchange a fair ammount of 'private' email that should not be replied to over freenrg-l. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 21 17:29:44 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id RAA20955; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 17:28:52 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 17:28:52 -0700 Message-ID: <33FD0645.246F@tiac.net> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 20:23:49 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Reply-To: bshannon@tiac.net Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Unifying FE effects References: <199708210350.WAA23621@csrlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"e8aRw.0.A75.2rD_p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/128 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Jim Shaffer, Jr. wrote: > In other words, aether can be manipulated by the proper configuration > of magnetic fields? That would go a long way toward explaining the > experiments of the likes of Mesmer, Reickenbach, Reich, Keely, Pavlita, > etc. Yes, but I'd say that magnetic and electric fields are only special cases of the Aether having been manipulated by scalar potentials in specific configurations. There are many other configurations of potentials as well. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 21 17:32:14 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id RAA21933; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 17:31:49 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 17:31:49 -0700 From: Keasy@aol.com Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 20:31:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970821203103_-1134984265@emout11.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Induction coils of wire other than copper ? Resent-Message-ID: <"Ohto12.0.YM5.qtD_p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/129 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Butch, Answer to a couple points: fiber optics has no magnetic fields except for earth's and whatever 60 hz or other fields might be about; of course any light going thru the fiber has a magnetic field associated with it. As for vaporized wires or salt water the magnetic fields just collapse in accordance with Maxwell's equations--- that is very fast, with some radiation. The ionized medium carries the current or in cases where nothing at all is around the displacement current (dE/dT) becomes significant. This is according to conventional theory, I think. Ken Keasy@aol.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 21 17:53:02 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id RAA28531; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 17:52:39 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 17:52:39 -0700 Message-ID: <33FD0BDA.39B0@tiac.net> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 20:47:38 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Reply-To: bshannon@tiac.net Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Parametrics & scalars. References: Conversation <199708210034.KAA12559@nornet.nor.com.au> with last message <199708210034.KAA12559@nornet.nor.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"5c5NP.0.iz6.LBE_p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/130 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Fred Epps wrote: > > Hi All, > ---------- > > >Whats your take on the non-bifilar (bucking field) case? > > I don't really understand the difference between the bucking coil and > the bifilar coil case. Simplest example: > > Tw sets of air-wound coils, with the windings over each other. In one set > the windings are in the same direction (say both CW), the other set the > windings are in reverse directions. In the reverse wound set the current > enters from the same end. At any point as the current travels the fields > are exactly opposed, so the energy is converted into a potential form > (scalarized, if you wish). This is not what is being described as 'bucking coils'. > In the same direction set the curent enters from opposite ends so there is > a brief interval of time when the fields are not in juxtaposition, but then > they are , and the emergy is again coverted into potential. The difference > is then only in the first nS of current. Do I have this right? Think of two perfectly conventional coils, each with current already flowing and fields established, much like permanent magnets. We bring these into close proximity, in the opposing configuration. Flux is conserved, as is inductance. Energy is stored in the magnetic fields of the coils, and is fully expressed as EM. Now, assume the coils are in this same arangement, but no current is flowing. We apply voltage to each coil at the same moment. The fields begin to grow, and interact, distorting the fields as they build. We still build the same total fields, with the same stored energy. Clearly this is VERY different from a bifilar case, where there is no net inductance to speak of, and no stored energy. We can easily conclude that there must be no significant fields. > If the operation of the reverse wound BiPEG depends on this nS of > "non-juxtapostion" then it is not a scalar device, if I understand the > definitions. If it does not depend on this first few nS, then it is a > scalar device in the same sense as the other BiPEGs. > > This brings to mind the discussion of the Koenig coil windings (two > windings in opposite directions with current entering at oppsite ends so > both currents flow in the same direction and assist each other > magnetically). It seemed to be the consensus that these were not differnt > from regualr coils in their action. Now however the noninductive analog of > the same device is NOT the same as the noninductive analog of a regular > winding. It seems logical that if bucking and 'bifilar' coils are > different, then Koenig and regular coils are different. Hmmmmmmmm. I gotta think about these Koenig coils some. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 21 19:01:07 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id SAA06078; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 18:59:21 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 18:59:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 22 Aug 97 13:54 NZST X-Sender: srae@shoppe.mlb.planet.gen.nz Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: srae@mlb.planet.gen.nz (Stuart Rae) Subject: Re: Parametrics & scalars. X-Mailer: Resent-Message-ID: <"2J3CZ.0.KT1.S9F_p"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/132 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi Bob, You said: >Hmmmmmmmm. I gotta think about these Koenig coils some. > Yes, I'd be particularly interested in your opinion of the Koenig coils Bob. I'd also be very interested in an opinion of Tesla's Bifilar Patent # 312540, where he has two wires wound together, and the end of the first winding goes back to the start of the second. This increases the potential difference between each turn, thereby applying energy to the inductors distributed self capacitance. His patent drawing is of a flat wound inductor. If anyone has a math co-processor and "Quickfield" I'd be very interested in how these two configurations look. Regards, Stuart Rae From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 21 19:01:13 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id SAA05995; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 18:59:19 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 18:59:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33FD12C6.6183@tiac.net> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 21:17:10 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Reply-To: bshannon@tiac.net Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Parametrics & scalars. References: <199708200541.PAA09655@nornet.nor.com.au> <33FB20F5.767D@tiac.net> <3401e33b.11810364@mail.eisa.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"A8K6Q3.0.uS1.P9F_p"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/131 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Robin van Spaandonk wrote: > > On Wed, 20 Aug 1997 09:53:09 -0700, Bob Shannon wrote: > [snip] > >(Using a constant 60 degree (roll axis) turn yeilds a constant 2G field, > >my Piper Cherokee 180 can sustain a 60 degree turn for quite some time. > >Lower G loadings can also be attained, but for very short periods only.) > [snip] > Sounds like a hard way to apply centrifugal force. Why not just put > your equipment on a turntable (large if need be). Hard!? I'll guess your not a pilot. It's great fun actually! Its far easiler to fire up the Cherokee and head out to the practice area for this sort of thing than to try to collect data from a smaller rotating table. In my part of the country, I can take off and putter about without having to deal with air traffic controllers or flight plans. Other than the pre-flight inspections, its not too different than driving to the corner store. I can also haul the experiment, and observers or operators while I have all the fun!! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 21 19:44:49 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id TAA15050; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 19:44:19 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 19:44:19 -0700 Message-ID: <33FD2609.3CE4@tiac.net> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 22:39:21 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Reply-To: bshannon@tiac.net Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Detectors-- what are they detecting? References: <199708202255.PAA27920@mail1.halcyon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"KsLSI.0.3h3.2qF_p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/133 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Fred Epps wrote: > this is the idea that the description or explanation of a > physical phenomenon IS the process by which we observe it. Quantum theory may be telling us that the physical phenomena IS the observation. > When you > explain something to someone you are essentially instructing them how to > construct an apparatus to observe the same results. Well, this leaves out any theory, but I feel this is the best way to teach! > In a general way, the conclusions I draw from all of these "detections" > (and many others) is that there are a wide range of natural influences of > which we know very little or nothing. Now this seems to totally discount the evolution and testing of theory by experiment. I don't agree with this, we know a great deal about natural influences, we repreat and confirm observations, and often recognise when we see somthing outside our expectations. > It follows from this that almost ANY > well-constructed detector designed to shield out known local influences > will detect something. If 'something' is thermal and quantum noise, then this may be true, but if 'something' is a reaction to a known external event, then I cannot agree. > This seems to be born out by the evidence. Almost > everybody who has taken the care to build a well-shielded detector and > measured its output on a long enough time baseline has seen SOMETHING! Again, if something is noise, then I agree. But most detector 'experiments' I have performed have not given significant results, usually for reasons I come to understand later. 'Good' detector designs are based on these learned lessons, the product of the knowledge gained. They do not come from knowing "very little or nothing". > My point is > that it does not matter what we call these "detections" because they can be > made to fit almost any theory at this point. This discounts negative results, that are (should be) as, or more common than positive results. Remember, we test theory by experiment, and we should know what we are looking for, not conducting a blind search for whatever we might find. > A purely observational > approach would seem to be more useful than constructing deivces aimed at a > particular theoretical justification. > The explanations we give to these phenomena are > purely metaphyical constructions which might give comfort to our souls and > a sense of meaning to our life, but at this point in time they probably > have no relation to reality. Arn't they tools we use to form testable expectations on how nature will behave under specific conditions? They are analogs, models we use to KNOW how nature behaves, thats how they evlove to resemble actual phenomena. > (There is one exception to this situation, and that is where a phenomena > can be influenced by an environmental factor that is normally blocked by > shielding. This exception would probably nor apply in the majority of > cases, because many unknown forces might well be like gravity and not be > affected by our machinations) Any process of elimination will do here. Shielding is only one form of this process of elimination of known effects. Does this make any sense? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 21 19:52:47 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id TAA16261; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 19:52:35 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 19:52:35 -0700 Message-ID: <33FD27F7.1333@tiac.net> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 22:47:35 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Reply-To: bshannon@tiac.net Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Parametrics & scalars. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"m0IiB1.0.xz3.oxF_p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/134 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Stuart Rae wrote: > Yes, I'd be particularly interested in your opinion of the Koenig coils Bob. > > I'd also be very interested in an opinion of Tesla's Bifilar Patent # > 312540, where he has two wires wound together, and the end of the first > winding goes back to the start of the second. This increases the potential > difference between each turn, thereby applying energy to the inductors > distributed self capacitance. His patent drawing is of a flat wound inductor. > > If anyone has a math co-processor and "Quickfield" I'd be very interested in > how these two configurations look. My first impression is that this is way beyond Quickfield. First, it's a dynamic system being an inductive system we need to know the rate of change effects. It's also a far more than 500 node problem. My second impression is that this is a net inductor with unusually high parasitic capacitance. I'd love to measure the reactances of such a coil on a network analizer! I think I'll wind one or two. Would this be "Tesla's flat spiral" coil? I've had a few people lighting a fire under my butt to play with these for some time now. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 21 19:54:22 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id TAA14686; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 19:53:58 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 19:53:58 -0700 (PDT) From: HLafonte@aol.com Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 22:52:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970821225042_50698183@emout16.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Induction coils of wire other than copper ? Resent-Message-ID: <"0MeqH3.0.Nb3.3zF_p"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/135 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: JD, Thanks for the info. Butch From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 21 20:06:58 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id UAA15824; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 20:06:09 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 20:06:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33FD004F.24912E6C@microtronics.com.au> Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 12:28:23 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Flux-Switch Alternators X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199708210927.TAA13901@main.murray.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"0OUwD.0.9t3.T8G_p"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/136 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Geoff Egel wrote: > >Could you send me a copy too Please Geoff Hi Geoff, Its online on my site under "Papers". -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Phone / PC Fax ...... 61 8 8270 2737 E-mail .............. gwatson@microtronics.com.au Home Page ........... Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 21 20:26:20 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id UAA19000; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 20:25:33 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 20:25:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: rmuha@mail Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 23:24:05 -0400 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: ralph muha Subject: Re: Parametrics & scalars. Resent-Message-ID: <"qExP02.0.he4.cQG_p"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/137 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >I'd also be very interested in an opinion of Tesla's Bifilar Patent # >312540, where he has two wires wound together, and the end of the first the correct patent number is 512,340 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 21 23:03:33 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id XAA16484; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 23:03:04 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 23:03:04 -0700 Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 23:03:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708220603.XAA11040@pop1.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: szdanq@peseta.ucdavis.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dan Quickert Subject: Re: Parametrics & scalars. Resent-Message-ID: <"0bwYj.0.O14.MkI_p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/138 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >>I'd also be very interested in an opinion of Tesla's Bifilar Patent # >>312540, where he has two wires wound together, and the end of the first > >the correct patent number is 512,340 > Anyone have a copy of that patent or know where it can be seen, or can provide a good drawing for us? Dan Quickert From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 21 23:30:11 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id XAA11379; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 23:28:54 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 23:28:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 23:27:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708220627.XAA07628@italy.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Magnetic Induction Resent-Message-ID: <"F5wWP.0.in2.Z6J_p"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/139 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I was thinking of an unusual experiment. A closed loop or coil of wire with a resistance R is placed around a ferromagnetic core. The B field in the core is increased linearly with time (at least for an interval of "time") to produce an voltage in the coil, and a current I, defined from Ohm's law. Each element of wire then both acts as a source of voltage and a load dropping that same voltage. Thus between any two points on the coil with a current I, there is no voltage difference. Not quite a superconductor, powered by the magnetic field, but still interesting. -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 21 23:33:27 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id XAA12168; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 23:32:35 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 23:32:35 -0700 (PDT) From: JNaudin509@aol.com Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 02:28:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970822022817_1393459435@emout19.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, vortex-l@eskimo.com cc: fepps@mail1.halcyon.com, harti@harti.de, antigrav@ihug.co.nz, neil@livelinks.com Subject: Search of documents... Resent-Message-ID: <"rb6ug.0.-z2.t9J_p"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/140 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi All, Does someone has the pictures ( in electronic format ) of the document : "BEYOND THE EVENT HORIZON" By Matt Campbell and Joint Research with Warren York This document is a part of : "A Look at Scalar Technology and one of its applications" from "Extraordinary Science", Vol. 2, No. 1, 1990 by Warren York ( at : http://www.livelinks.com/sumeria/phys/scalar1.html ) I shall appreciate very much your help about this. Thanks, Jean-Louis Naudin ( France / GMT+2 ) Email : JNaudin509@aol.com my Overunity WEB Server : http://members.aol.com/JNaudin509/ WWPager: http://wwp.mirabilis.com/747846 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 22 00:01:30 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id XAA15460; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 23:59:51 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 23:59:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970822005511.006ee3e0@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 00:55:11 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: Subject: cant send mail... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"twe1R1.0.Tn3.aZJ_p"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/141 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >> Date: Thursday, August 21, 1997 19:31:07 >> From: fepps >> I'm hoping that this mail will get to you and my problem is only with >> the list and not with sending mail in general. I haven't been able to >> send, only recieve, since last night.. No big deal, except I have things >> to say :-) >> >> I would appreciate it if one of you would mention on the list that I will >> be out of commision until I get to my home computer on Saturday. Best Regards, JD ------------------------------------------------------------ "Those who do not know the torment of the unknown cannot have the joy of discovery." -Claude Bernard. E-mail to: mules@palacenet.net ------------------------------------------------------------ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 22 00:12:00 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id AAA16802; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 00:10:29 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 00:10:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 01:14:36 -0600 (MDT) From: Steve Ekwall X-Sender: ekwall2@november To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Subject: cant send mail... In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970822005511.006ee3e0@palacenet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"0NofW.0.Q64.YjJ_p"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/142 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Fri, 22 Aug 1997, Jack DeMule wrote: >Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 00:55:11 -0500 >From: Jack DeMule >Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >Subject: Subject: cant send mail... >Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 23:59:51 -0700 (PDT) >Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > > >>> Date: Thursday, August 21, 1997 19:31:07 >>> From: fepps > > >>> I'm hoping that this mail will get to you and my problem is only with >>> the list and not with sending mail in general. I haven't been able to >>> send, only recieve, since last night.. No big deal, except I have things >>> to say :-) >>> >>> I would appreciate it if one of you would mention on the list that I will >>> be out of commision until I get to my home computer on Saturday. > > >Best Regards, >JD > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------ >"Those who do not know the torment of the unknown cannot have >the joy of discovery." -Claude Bernard. > >E-mail to: mules@palacenet.net > >------------------------------------------------------------ > > Got it :) ref: mail out looks OK! :) -=se=- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 22 04:38:43 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id EAA04989; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 04:38:24 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 04:38:24 -0700 (PDT) From: HLafonte@aol.com Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 07:36:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970822073659_-601765330@emout20.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Magnets and kinetic energy Resent-Message-ID: <"8BmP12.0.sD1.keN_p"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/143 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Ken, Thanks for the info. Butch From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 22 04:40:12 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id EAA16442; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 04:39:28 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 04:39:28 -0700 From: HLafonte@aol.com Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 07:38:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970822073850_1058556471@emout16.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Induction coils of wire other than copper ? Resent-Message-ID: <"4LuDA3.0.j04.kfN_p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/144 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Ken, Thanks for the help, Butch From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 22 05:41:53 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id FAA24261; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 05:41:38 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 05:41:38 -0700 From: rvanspaa@eisa.net.au (Robin van Spaandonk) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: GOOD!!Re: BLOW BY GRINDING BLOW Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 12:41:21 GMT Organization: Improving Message-ID: <34058216.32665318@mail.eisa.net.au> References: <199708210034.KAA12561@nornet.nor.com.au> In-Reply-To: <199708210034.KAA12561@nornet.nor.com.au> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"KyZBK2.0.-w5.0aO_p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/145 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 10:34:35 +1000, openway@nor.com.au wrote: [snip] >The use of destructive interferrence to strip away one vector from a >magnetic field. The energy bound in that vector is then dumped into the >electric field resulting in gain. The problem is how to extract the added >energy without reconverting it to EM form, and thus loading the system back >to unity. This is like opening the lid of a box to see if it's dark inside. >The answer should be obvious, and it's not another coil. [snip] Has anyone else noticed that the solution to many of these problems seems to be to do things in (anti-)symmetrical pairs? Makes me wonder if it has to do with conservation of (angular-)momentum. In this particular case, perhaps the answer lies in creating two lots of the original field, and interacting them. Robin van Spaandonk -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Check out: http://www.eisa.net.au/~rvanspaa for how CF depends on temperature. "....,then he should stop, and he will catch up..." PS - no SPAM thanks! -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 22 05:41:57 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id FAA24281; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 05:41:41 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 05:41:41 -0700 From: rvanspaa@eisa.net.au (Robin van Spaandonk) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Detectors-- what are they detecting? Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 12:41:24 GMT Organization: Improving Message-ID: <34078513.33431040@mail.eisa.net.au> References: <3.0.32.19970820215800.007f3750@inforamp.net> In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970820215800.007f3750@inforamp.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"QP_be3.0.Cx5.1aO_p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/146 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Wed, 20 Aug 1997 21:58:30 -0400, Quinney wrote: [snip] >source, the excitement level and interest may increase exponentially. This >is a project that many of us could get involved in. We all need to use the >same identical detectors naturally, so that we all know that we are indeed >looking at the same "type" of signal. [snip] Before everyone jumps on this bandwagon, it might be worthwhile just putting two identical detectors side by side, to see if there is any correlation in their signals at all. After all, it might just be random noise. Robin van Spaandonk -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Check out: http://www.eisa.net.au/~rvanspaa for how CF depends on temperature. "....,then he should stop, and he will catch up..." PS - no SPAM thanks! -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 22 05:41:59 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id FAA24346; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 05:41:51 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 05:41:51 -0700 From: rvanspaa@eisa.net.au (Robin van Spaandonk) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Parametrics & scalars. Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 12:41:19 GMT Organization: Improving Message-ID: <3404807b.32254413@mail.eisa.net.au> References: <199708200541.PAA09655@nornet.nor.com.au> <33FB20F5.767D@tiac.net> <3401e33b.11810364@mail.eisa.net.au> <33FD12C6.6183@tiac.net> In-Reply-To: <33FD12C6.6183@tiac.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"vKTgZ3.0.Zx5.6aO_p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/147 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 21:17:10 -0700, Bob Shannon wrote: >Robin van Spaandonk wrote: [snip] >> Sounds like a hard way to apply centrifugal force. Why not just put >> your equipment on a turntable (large if need be). > >Hard!? I'll guess your not a pilot. It's great fun actually! > >Its far easiler to fire up the Cherokee and head out to the practice >area for this sort of thing than to try to collect data from a smaller >rotating table. [snip] While not a pilot, I have flown in planes before, and enjoy it immensely. So I sort of understand where you are coming from. However what I was trying to say (albeit indirectly), is that with your plane you can only create 2 G for a few seconds at a time, while on a rotating device you could have it for as long as you liked (or needed). Robin van Spaandonk -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Check out: http://www.eisa.net.au/~rvanspaa for how CF depends on temperature. "....,then he should stop, and he will catch up..." PS - no SPAM thanks! -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 22 05:43:40 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id FAA10948; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 05:42:57 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 05:42:57 -0700 (PDT) From: rvanspaa@eisa.net.au (Robin van Spaandonk) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: GOOD!!Re: BLOW BY GRINDING BLOW Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 12:41:22 GMT Organization: Improving Message-ID: <34068368.33003573@mail.eisa.net.au> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"EoT1A3.0.xg2.AbO_p"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/148 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Wed, 20 Aug 1997 22:29:17 -0400, ralph muha wrote: >At 9:37 AM -0400 8/21/97, Stuart Rae wrote: >> >>I STILL can't figure out which thimble the pea is under....:-) >> >It's under all of them, until you lift one up and look... > >r > > No, it's only under one of them. But you won't know which till you lift them up and look. And yes, I'm talking about QM too ;). Robin van Spaandonk -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Check out: http://www.eisa.net.au/~rvanspaa for how CF depends on temperature. "....,then he should stop, and he will catch up..." PS - no SPAM thanks! -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 22 06:16:34 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id GAA14785; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 06:16:18 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 06:16:18 -0700 (PDT) From: FLORESI1@westatpo.westat.com Date: Fri, 22 Aug 97 07:36:33 EDT Encoding: 3 Text Message-Id: <9707228722.AA872266446@westatpo.westat.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: software for PCB Resent-Message-ID: <"KLtHw3.0.vc3.V4P_p"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/149 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Does anybody know if there is a shareware or some inexpensive software to design PCB? If so, do you know where I can get it? Thank you in advance From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 22 07:31:29 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id HAA08412; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 07:27:57 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 07:27:57 -0700 From: bpaddock@csonline.net (Bob Paddock) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: software for PCB Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 10:24:42 -0400 Organization: is mostly via piles Reply-To: bpaddock@csonline.net Message-ID: References: <9707228722.AA872266446@westatpo.westat.com> In-Reply-To: <9707228722.AA872266446@westatpo.westat.com> Lines: 15 Resent-Message-ID: <"dWx8p.0.L32.i7Q_p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/150 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: In article <9707228722.AA872266446@westatpo.westat.com>, you wrote: > Does anybody know if there is a shareware or some inexpensive software > to design PCB? If so, do you know where I can get it? > Thank you in advance Try CIRCAD at http://www.holophase.com. It does Schmatic Capture and PCB layout with auto route. The demo version does limit your file export options. -- For information on any of the following check out my WEB site at: http://www.usachoice.net/bpaddock Chemical Free Air Conditioning/No CFC's, Chronic Pain Relief, Electromedicine, Electronics, Explore!, Free Energy, Full Disclosure, KeelyNet, Matric Limited, Neurophone, Oil City PA, Philadelphia Experiment. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 22 08:52:25 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id IAA23082; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 08:52:06 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 08:52:06 -0700 Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 08:52:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708221552.IAA16829@iceland.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: mrandall@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Michael Randall Subject: Re: Search of documents... Resent-Message-ID: <"Stxtn1.0.Ze5.bMR_p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/151 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi Jean-Louis, >Does someone has the pictures ( in electronic format ) of the document : > >"BEYOND THE EVENT HORIZON" By Matt Campbell and Joint Research with Warren >York > >This document is a part of : >"A Look at Scalar Technology and one of its applications" >from "Extraordinary Science", Vol. 2, No. 1, 1990 by Warren York >( at : http://www.livelinks.com/sumeria/phys/scalar1.html ) > >I shall appreciate very much your help about this. Sorry, can not help you on this one. Some of the photo's came from back issues of the International Tesla Society's magazine (ITS) "Extraordinary Science" articles they wrote the original paper in. You can order copies of the magazine from ITS. Another source of reference on scalar technology I found useful is Moray B. King's book "Tapping Zero Point Energy" (also available from the ITS bookstore). ZPE being another word for the aether. Tom Bearden's papers on scalar tech. is on the web, along with hundreds of other scientists that are writing up QM models and proposed experiments, to backup the data from few actual experiments that were performed in this field. Even fewer reproducible experiments exists that performed ou energy extraction from the aether or ZPE in energy quantities above 10 watts, cold fusion being the exception. Its still all just theories with few "data points" to draw conclusions from. I hope this is helpful. Sincerely, Michael Randall From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 22 08:57:57 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id IAA24467; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 08:57:48 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 08:57:48 -0700 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 11:57:37 -0400 (EDT) From: woods@most.weird.com (Greg A. Woods) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Parametrics & scalars. In-Reply-To: Dan Quickert's message of "Thu, August 21, 1997 23:03:15 -0700" regarding "Re: Parametrics & scalars." id <199708220603.XAA11040@pop1.ucdavis.edu> References: <199708220603.XAA11040@pop1.ucdavis.edu> Reply-To: woods@weird.com (Greg A. Woods) X-Mailer: ViewMail (vm) Version 5.96 (beta) with GNU Emacs 19.34.1 (m68k.68881-sun-sunos4.1.1, X toolkit) of Thu Sep 12 1996 on most Organization: Planix, Inc.; Toronto, Ontario; Canada Resent-Message-ID: <"A-tqe.0.8-5.wRR_p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/152 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: [ On Thu, August 21, 1997 at 23:03:15 (-0700), Dan Quickert wrote: ] > Subject: Re: Parametrics & scalars. > > >the correct patent number is 512,340 > > Anyone have a copy of that patent or know where it can be seen, or can > provide a good drawing for us? The drawings page of the 512,340 patent appears in "The Fantastic Inventions of Nikola Tesla". None of the text does though, and I don't think there's anything related in the body of the book either, though I've not finished reading.... There's supposedly a book that includes all of his patents complete with claims and supporting text.... -- Greg A. Woods +1 416 443-1734 VE3TCP Planix, Inc. ; Secrets of the Weird From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 22 08:58:46 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id IAA24679; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 08:58:36 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 08:58:36 -0700 X-Sender: rmuha@mail Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199708220603.XAA11040@pop1.ucdavis.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 11:58:24 -0400 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: ralph muha Subject: Re: Parametrics & scalars. Resent-Message-ID: <"HrUOa2.0.W16.hSR_p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/153 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >>>I'd also be very interested in an opinion of Tesla's Bifilar Patent # >>>312540, where he has two wires wound together, and the end of the first >> >>the correct patent number is 512,340 >> > >Anyone have a copy of that patent or know where it can be seen, or can >provide a good drawing for us? "The Complete Patents of Nikola Tesla" Edited by Jim Glenn, ISBN 1-56619-266-8 I got mine from Barnes & Noble. the coil in question is just a flat spiral wound with two conductors. the outside end of one conductor is connected to the inside end of the other. r From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 22 09:10:39 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id JAA28796; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 09:10:12 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 09:10:12 -0700 Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 09:10:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708221610.JAA19909@pop1.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: szdanq@peseta.ucdavis.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dan Quickert Subject: Re: Parametrics & scalars. Resent-Message-ID: <"Pu9-L3.0.Y17.XdR_p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/154 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Greg and Ralph, thanks very much for the info. Dan Quickert wrote: > Anyone have a copy of that patent or know where it can be seen, or can >provide a good drawing for us? Greg Woods responded: >The drawings page of the 512,340 patent appears in "The Fantastic >Inventions of Nikola Tesla". None of the text does though, and I don't >think there's anything related in the body of the book either, though >I've not finished reading.... There's supposedly a book that includes >all of his patents complete with claims and supporting text.... And from Ralph Muha: >"The Complete Patents of Nikola Tesla" >Edited by Jim Glenn, ISBN 1-56619-266-8 > >I got mine from Barnes & Noble. > >the coil in question is just a flat spiral wound >with two conductors. the outside end of one >conductor is connected to the inside end of the >other. > >r > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 22 09:42:03 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id JAA02321; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 09:41:47 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 09:41:47 -0700 From: HLafonte@aol.com Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 12:41:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970822124009_-1503453555@emout15.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Magnets and kinetic energy (they don't behave like a pendulum?) Resent-Message-ID: <"ZGHkH1.0.Aa.A5S_p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/155 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: When two magnets are moving toward each other in the attraction mode they seem to lock together rather than move past each other due to the kinetic energy they have, then continue to swing with each cycle getting smaller. But instead they lock. At times they seem to swing past center but never close to the arc length of the release point. Would they behave like this in a friction free situation? Aerodymanic drag and loses in the magnet due to Hysteresis, ect., account for some of the loss I'm sure, but the basic behavior is to not swing past the magnet anywhere near as far in distance from the magnet when it started to move under the attraction force. Better put, if a magnet on a flywheel was to rotate around to a like magnet in attraction, would the magnet swing past and attempt to rotate all the way around if it wasn't for the loses due to friction, air drag, hys. ect. ? Is it that it would have to start it's attraction at an infinite distance from the magnet to have a near equal swing away distance? This is a part of the balance system I'm working on and I would like to make sure I'm seeing this right. Comments, please ! Thanks, Butch LaFonte From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 22 10:03:45 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id KAA14856; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 10:02:48 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 10:02:48 -0700 (PDT) From: HLafonte@aol.com Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 13:00:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970822125746_1581352980@emout16.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Spin balance system in gif format MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="PART.BOUNDARY.0.1150.emout16.mail.aol.com.872269066" Resent-Message-ID: <"n5H6G2.0.1e3.sOS_p"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/156 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: --PART.BOUNDARY.0.1150.emout16.mail.aol.com.872269066 Content-ID: <0_1150_872269066@emout16.mail.aol.com.5293> Content-type: text/plain Let me know if it anyone has trouble. 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10:19:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708221719.KAA23378@pop1.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: szdanq@peseta.ucdavis.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dan Quickert Subject: Re: Spin balance system in gif format Resent-Message-ID: <"O5xTA.0.Bt2.QeS_p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/157 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Butch, GIF came through just fine. It may be useful to note that Greg Watson reported earlier that attraction/repel forces are not equal. I believe it was said that inequality varies by materials, but in general, at a given separation distance repelling force is less than attractive force. I can forward to you his GIF showing a graph of the difference, if you like. Dan From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 22 11:07:40 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id LAA01186; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 11:07:25 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 11:07:25 -0700 From: JNaudin509@aol.com Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 14:06:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970822140429_17197622@emout12.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Bifilar VS Bucking Coil - TESTS RESULTS Resent-Message-ID: <"0Ev4N1.0.NI.SLT_p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/158 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi All, Today I have conducted some tests to understand better the working process in the TEP. The main goal of these series of tests is to compare Bifilar coils and Bucking coils for their inductive and Back EMF effects. I have used : - a BIFILAR coil L1,L2 ( interweaved ) which has a calculated inductance of 0.59 mH ( each ) - a BUCKING coil L1,L2 ( in serial ) which has a calculated inductance of 0.75 mH ( each ) The tested coils are switched through a transistor BDX53C by a square wave generator.. The inducted signal is received through a coil L3 ( wounded around the bifilar ). Calculated inductance : L3 = 7.6 mH You will find all scope pictures and scheme in my web site at : http://members.aol.com/overunity4/html/bifvsbuk.htm - Picture 1 : The Bifilar is not activated, the square signal is sent only on L1 coil and received on L3. You will see a normal induction setup during the ON/OFF sequences. - Picture 2 : The Bifilar is activated, the square signal is sent on L1 AND L2 coils and received on L3. The flux of L1 cancels the flux of L2. The Bifilar act as a simple resistor, like a non-inductive coil, you see almost nothing....may be only "the scalar waves" are sent here ? - Picture 3 : The Bucking coil is not activated, the square signal is sent only on L1 coil and received on L3. You will see a normal induction setup during the ON/OFF sequences. - Picture 4 : The Bucking coil is activated, the square signal is sent on L1 AND L2 coils and received on L3. The flux of L1 cancels the flux of L2, but only during the establishment of the current ( ON sequence ). BUT when the current drops ( OFF sequence ), you will see a normal induction setup. Look at the scope pictures, this is very different from the bifilar coil configuration, this prove that the BACK EMF EXISTS REALLY!!!! So the magnetic energy exists in the bucking coil. I hope that these informations will interest you, I look forward to receive your comments about this. Sincerely, Jean-Louis Naudin ( France / GMT+2 ) Email : JNaudin509@aol.com my Overunity WEB Server : http://members.aol.com/JNaudin509/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 22 11:14:22 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id LAA24118; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 11:13:22 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 11:13:22 -0700 (PDT) From: HLafonte@aol.com Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 14:11:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970822141036_-335166916@emout02.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Explanation of balance system drawings that were sent out Resent-Message-ID: <"9eFlq2.0.hu5.yQT_p"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/159 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: For those who WERE able to read the balance system drawings in either jpeg or gif format. I will explain how the system works. I have built a fixture of the balance system and video taped it to prove the force of the generator section and the balance section can be cancel each other out and the shaft can turn free as if there were no magnetic forces at work. This is with no load on the stator coils (open circuit). Now, if the balance section is switched on and off in a proper fashion the drag that the stator puts on the rotor when the circuit is closed on the coil, can be balanced out by the energy the rotor creates during the attraction mode to the stator during rotation. The circuit during it's approach to the stator is open so that no repulsion forces will be generated in the coil of the stator. A unique aspect of the design is that as the rpm increases, the voltage produced at the stator goes up due to rapid collapse of the magnetic field around coil, but the switch on time at the balance section decreases ! The switch on time is a period when the repulsion force of the balance section is turned off during the rotors approach to the stator and energy is made available for the overcoming of drag on the rotor caused by current flow in the stator coil due to the rotor moving past the stator and collapsing the magnetic field around the coil which creates addition magnetic attraction between the rotor and stator. The electrical energy produce by the stator has to go to the balance section to switch it but there is energy for overunity available at the switch in the magnetic field around the switch coil after the switching is complete. The timing and "tuning" of this circuit is the trick to o/u operation. I believe large amounts of power can bet produced and overunity in the range of 1000% to input power can be easly accomplished. Your comments, or offers to help me build this, (It's time to get our hands dirty and produce a overunity device that will run it's self . Who can disclaim that for any length of time?) Thanks, Butch LaFonte From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 22 11:19:28 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id LAA02880; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 11:19:00 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 11:19:00 -0700 Message-Id: <199708221818.LAA16438@mailgate2.boeing.com> From: "Hinman, Jeffrey M" To: "'freenrg-L@eskimo.com'" Subject: N Machine Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 11:17:19 -0700 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"eypay3.0.vi.JWT_p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/160 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Does anyone know who Bruce DePalma is and his background? Please see: http://www.mufor.org/nmachine.html This webpage describes a "N Machine" with no test information - sounds like *another* SEARL effect story. If anyone can give information on this, it would be appreciated. Thanks. Jeff Hinman From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 22 11:28:44 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id LAA04345; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 11:28:25 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 11:28:25 -0700 From: HLafonte@aol.com Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 14:27:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970822142605_-2072739775@emout19.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Spin balance system in gif format Resent-Message-ID: <"goLjx.0.n31.7fT_p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/161 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Dan, The balance system is " tuned " by the shaping of the heads of the poles on the repulsion magnets. This was pioneered by Bertil Werjefelt and is common technology in some circles. It can also be balanced by using electro-magnets also. The magnets used are never the same in many respects so the forces can be equal but opposite. Keep in touch, Butch From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 22 11:44:03 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id LAA06576; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 11:43:35 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 11:43:35 -0700 Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 11:43:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708221843.LAA28032@pop1.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: szdanq@peseta.ucdavis.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dan Quickert Subject: Re: Spin balance system in gif format Resent-Message-ID: <"rreV-3.0.bc1.MtT_p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/162 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Butch, > The balance system is " tuned " by the shaping of the heads of the poles on >the repulsion magnets. This was pioneered by Bertil Werjefelt and is common >technology in some circles. Cool! Just makin' sure... Dan From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 22 12:07:12 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id MAA01476; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 12:06:44 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 12:06:44 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 12:05:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708221905.MAA29113@pop1.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: szdanq@peseta.ucdavis.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dan Quickert Subject: Re: Bifilar VS Bucking Coil - TESTS RESULTS Resent-Message-ID: <"-H2YH3.0.zM.1DU_p"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/163 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Jean-Louis, Very nice schematics and scope photos on your Web site! The bucking-coil result is interesting, I'd like to think about it some more. However, maybe I'm kinda dense, but I'm not real clear on how you have that coil set up physically. I can guess, but I want to be sure. Is it two coils placed end-to-end, as it appears in your schematic? If not, could you give a complete description or something? Thanks, Dan From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 22 12:09:38 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id MAA01687; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 12:09:24 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 12:09:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33FDFF71.9378DA4D@swbell.net> Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 14:06:58 -0700 From: Dragonslayer Reply-To: apollo-1@swbell.net Organization: Apollo Industries X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Magnets and kinetic energy (they don't behave like a pendulum?) References: <970822124009_-1503453555@emout15.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------87D7B524D67996CCC27FC176" Resent-Message-ID: <"HV_JH.0.DQ.WFU_p"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/164 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: --------------87D7B524D67996CCC27FC176 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit HLafonte@aol.com wrote: > When two magnets are moving toward each other in the attraction mode they > seem to lock together rather than move past each other due to the kinetic > energy they have, then continue to swing with each cycle getting smaller. But > instead they lock. At times they seem to swing past center but never close to > the arc length of the release point. Would they behave like this in a > friction free situation? Aerodymanic drag and loses in the magnet due to > Hysteresis, ect., account for some of the loss I'm sure, but the basic > behavior is to not swing past the magnet anywhere near as far in distance > from the magnet when it started to move under the attraction force. Better > put, if a magnet on a flywheel was to rotate around to a like magnet in > attraction, would the magnet swing past and attempt to rotate all the way > around if it wasn't for the loses due to friction, air drag, hys. ect. ? Is > it that it would have to start it's attraction at an infinite distance from > the magnet to have a near equal swing away distance? This is a part of the > balance system I'm working on and I would like to make sure I'm seeing this > right. > Comments, please ! > Thanks, Butch LaFonte Hi Butch and all, For the moment, think about Inertia of the magnet verses the forces acting upon it. A flywheel basically is a pendulum in one sence. How many forces do you have acting upon your magnet? I will not assume, but consider 1) Gravity, 2) Friction, which gravity seems to have alot to do with, 3) Magnetic Fields, which in many situauations look like friction, 4) Harmonics, while everything vibrates or cycles in the universe, is always a matter of how much or how little, how big or how small, and in relation to What. OU is not some miraculous thing, but simply a change of state. Usefully it is organized from disorganized. Yet the parameters seem to keep alluding us, depending upon the system observed, and to this, I refer you to the Uncertainty Principle. This is not meant as spam, but we need more information about where you are going or what you intend your balance system for, in order to consider the parameters of influence upon the system. Todd --------------87D7B524D67996CCC27FC176 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  

HLafonte@aol.com wrote:

When two magnets are moving toward each other in the attraction mode they
seem to lock together rather than move past each other due to the kinetic
energy they have, then continue to swing with each cycle getting smaller. But
instead they lock. At times they seem to swing past center but never close to
the arc length of the release point. Would they behave like this in a
friction free situation? Aerodymanic drag and loses in the magnet due to
Hysteresis, ect., account for some of the loss I'm sure, but the basic
behavior is to not swing past the magnet anywhere near as far in distance
from the magnet when it started to move under the attraction force. Better
put, if a magnet on a flywheel was to rotate around to a like magnet in
attraction, would the magnet swing past and attempt to rotate all the way
around if it wasn't for the loses due to friction, air drag, hys. ect. ? Is
it that it would have to start it's attraction at an infinite distance from
the magnet to have a near equal swing away distance? This is a part of the
balance system I'm working on and I would like to make sure I'm seeing this
right.
Comments, please !
Thanks, Butch LaFonte
Hi Butch and all,

   For the moment, think about Inertia of the magnet verses the forces acting upon it.  A flywheel basically is a pendulum in one sence.  How many forces do you have acting upon your magnet?  I will not assume, but consider 1) Gravity, 2) Friction, which gravity seems to have alot to do with, 3) Magnetic Fields, which in many situauations look like friction, 4) Harmonics, while everything vibrates or cycles in the universe, is always a matter of how much or how little, how big or how small, and in relation to What.  OU is not some miraculous thing, but simply a change of state.  Usefully it is organized from disorganized.  Yet the parameters seem to keep alluding us, depending upon the system observed, and to this, I refer you to the Uncertainty Principle.

This is not meant as spam, but we need more information about where you are going or what you intend your balance system for, in order to consider the parameters of influence upon the system.

Todd
  --------------87D7B524D67996CCC27FC176-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 22 12:19:03 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id MAA12175; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 12:18:32 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 12:18:32 -0700 Message-ID: <33FE01E4.9F1C144@swbell.net> Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 14:17:24 -0700 From: Dragonslayer Reply-To: apollo-1@swbell.net Organization: Apollo Industries X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Spin balance system in gif format References: <970822125746_1581352980@emout16.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"WQeeX1.0.8-2.7OU_p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/165 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: HLafonte@aol.com wrote: > Let me know if it anyone has trouble. > Thanks, Butch > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > [Image] Butch and all, This reminds me of some of Thomas Valone's research. I'm not sure who's got the skinny on Homopolar research right now, but it shouldn't take much to find it. Todd From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 22 12:25:51 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id MAA03419; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 12:25:06 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 12:25:06 -0700 (PDT) From: HLafonte@aol.com Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 15:23:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970822152232_-500537172@emout18.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Just for fun, current that stands still, magnetic field from mass? Resent-Message-ID: <"kWvSM3.0.7r.9UU_p"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/166 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Just for fun, what it you had a copper wire in the shape of a ring, and at a point on the outside of the wire was a north pole of a tall magnet that moved down, while on the inside if the wire was a south pole of a like magnet that did the same producing current in the wire. Now you start spining this solid ring of copper around so that it's speed it the same as the electron drift in the wire but in the opposite direction. Now to a stationary observer the electrons look as thought they are standing still and the electron impulse is moving in the right direction, but the only particals moving are the atoms of the wire in the direction opposite the way the electrons should be moving. He see no current flow with respect to electrons and says the magnetic field comes from the mass of the wire, not current flow. The atoms of the wire are the wire itself so he just says there is a wire going around with a magnetic field around it with no electron flow! >From his point of view he's right. Right Albert ? Good day, Butch From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 22 12:32:07 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id MAA13879; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 12:30:17 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 12:30:17 -0700 Message-ID: <33FE0497.A38D5B9C@swbell.net> Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 14:28:55 -0700 From: Dragonslayer Reply-To: apollo-1@swbell.net Organization: Apollo Industries X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Explanation of balance system drawings that were sent out References: <970822141036_-335166916@emout02.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------3A035F0D51B31AFCBFE88C47" Resent-Message-ID: <"dHEok2.0.mO3.8ZU_p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/167 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: --------------3A035F0D51B31AFCBFE88C47 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit HLafonte@aol.com wrote: > For those who WERE able to read the balance system drawings in either jpeg > or gif format. I will explain how the system works. > I have built a fixture of the balance system and video taped it to prove > the force of the generator section and the balance section can be cancel each > other out and the shaft can turn free as if there were no magnetic forces at > work. This is with no load on the stator coils (open circuit). > Now, if the balance section is switched on and off in a proper fashion the > drag that the stator puts on the rotor when the circuit is closed on the > coil, can be balanced out by the energy the rotor creates during the > attraction mode to the stator during rotation. The circuit during it's > approach to the stator is open so that no repulsion forces will be generated > in the coil of the stator. > A unique aspect of the design is that as the rpm increases, the voltage > produced at the stator goes up due to rapid collapse of the magnetic field > around coil, but the switch on time at the balance section decreases ! > The switch on time is a period when the repulsion force of the balance > section is turned off during the rotors approach to the stator and energy is > made available for the overcoming of drag on the rotor caused by current flow > in the stator coil due to the rotor moving past the stator and collapsing the > magnetic field around the coil which creates addition magnetic attraction > between the rotor and stator. > The electrical energy produce by the stator has to go to the balance > section to switch it but there is energy for overunity available at the > switch in the magnetic field around the switch coil after the switching is > complete. > The timing and "tuning" of this circuit is the trick to o/u operation. I > believe large amounts of power can bet produced and overunity in the range of > 1000% to input power can be easly accomplished. > Your comments, or offers to help me build this, (It's time to get our hands > dirty and produce a overunity device that will run it's self . Who can > disclaim that for any length of time?) > Thanks, Butch LaFonte Butch and all, My appologies for jumping the gun! Now we know where your balance system is heading. Yes the gif came out fine. I'll look at the expanation in more detail now. Todd --------------3A035F0D51B31AFCBFE88C47 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  

HLafonte@aol.com wrote:

   For those who WERE able to read the balance system drawings in either jpeg
or gif format. I will explain how the system works.
   I have built a fixture of the balance system and  video taped it to prove
the force of the generator section and the balance section can be cancel each
other out and the shaft can turn free as if there were no magnetic forces at
work. This is with no load on the stator coils (open circuit).
   Now, if the balance section is switched on and off in a proper fashion the
drag that the stator puts on the rotor when the circuit is closed on the
coil, can be balanced out by the energy the rotor creates during the
attraction mode to the stator during rotation. The circuit during it's
approach to the stator is open so that no repulsion forces will be generated
in the coil of the stator.
   A unique aspect of the design is that as the rpm increases, the voltage
produced at the stator goes up due to rapid collapse of the magnetic field
around coil, but the switch on time at the balance section decreases !
   The switch on time is a period when the repulsion force of the balance
section is turned off during the rotors approach to the stator and energy is
made available for the overcoming of drag on the rotor caused by current flow
in the stator coil due to the rotor moving past the stator and collapsing the
magnetic field around the coil which creates addition magnetic attraction
between the rotor and stator.
   The electrical energy produce by the stator has to go to the balance
section to switch it but there is energy for overunity available at the
switch in the magnetic field around the switch coil after the switching is
complete.
   The timing and "tuning" of this circuit is the trick to o/u operation. I
believe large amounts of power can bet produced and overunity in the range of
1000% to input power can be easly accomplished.
Your comments, or offers to help me build this, (It's time to get our hands
dirty and produce a overunity device that will run it's self . Who can
disclaim that for any length of time?)
Thanks, Butch LaFonte
Butch and all, 
   My appologies for jumping the gun!  Now we know where your balance system is heading.  Yes the gif came out fine.  I'll look at the expanation in more detail now.

Todd
  --------------3A035F0D51B31AFCBFE88C47-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 22 15:22:13 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id PAA13340; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 15:21:54 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 15:21:54 -0700 Message-ID: <01BCAF0F.27B86F20.reed@zenergy.com> From: Reed Huish Reply-To: "reed@zenergy.com" To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: RE: N Machine Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 15:14:47 -0700 Organization: Zenergy Corporation X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"HKjFL.0.IG3.14X_p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/168 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > Does anyone know who Bruce DePalma is and his background? > > Please see: http://www.mufor.org/nmachine.html An excellent history of DePalma, the N-machine, and homopolar generators is written in Tom Valone's book The Homopolar Handbook. Valone's # for ordering is 800.295.7674, or you can find his book in the Tesla Society and other bookstores. I am not aware of any proper test results which demonstrate any N-machine or homopolar generator is over-unity. My two partners lost about $500,000 on DePalama in a previous business, and they have uncovered a list of over a dozen investors who have also lost money with DePalama. At best his prototype was about 70-75% efficient. I put about $120,000 into another homopolar inventor in Florida, but after 9 prototypes I refused to fund him anymore since nothing was over-unity. There are other new energy technologies much more worthy of attention. Please email me directly if you want further details. - Reed Huish Zenergy Corp http://zenergy.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 22 16:55:46 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id QAA27794; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 16:55:03 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 16:55:03 -0700 X-Sender: richarda@mailhub.icx.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <9707228722.AA872266446@westatpo.westat.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 19:55:41 -0400 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Richard Austin Subject: Re: software for PCB Resent-Message-ID: <"NpJu5.0.Ao6.LRY_p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/169 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > Does anybody know if there is a shareware or some inexpensive software > to design PCB? If so, do you know where I can get it? > Thank you in advance www.ivex.com free for 100 pin version. low cost to add more pins. I have built a few boards with it. Richard Austin -- email: richarda@icx.net -- radio: KG7SU Check out the Institute for Planetary Renewal at http://user.icx.net/~richarda From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 22 19:23:11 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id TAA09330; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 19:19:40 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 19:19:40 -0700 Message-ID: <33FE71BD.285C@tiac.net> Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 22:14:37 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: software for PCB References: <9707228722.AA872266446@westatpo.westat.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"zO8lX1.0.hH2.wYa_p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/173 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: FLORESI1@westatpo.westat.com wrote: > > Does anybody know if there is a shareware or some inexpensive software > to design PCB? If so, do you know where I can get it? > Thank you in advance Try JDR Microdevices, they have a inexpensive package, and a web site I beleive. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 22 19:28:33 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id SAA15182; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 18:27:24 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 18:27:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 10:48:41 +1000 Message-Id: <199708230048.KAA11888@nornet.nor.com.au> X-Sender: openway@pophost.nor.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Peter Nielsen Subject: Re: Parametrics & scalars. Resent-Message-ID: <"ZoVvO1.0.Mf3.YhZ_p"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/172 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >I think I'll wind one or two. Would this be "Tesla's flat spiral" >coil? I've had a few people lighting a fire under my butt to play with >these for some time now. > As long as you're winding two, it might be interesting to try them in a bucking configuration. Peter Nielsen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 22 19:31:26 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id TAA11154; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 19:31:09 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 19:31:09 -0700 Message-ID: <33FE7468.6DC7@tiac.net> Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 22:26:00 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: JNaudin509@aol.com CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Bifilar VS Bucking Coil - TESTS RESULTS References: <970822131259_-1067322333@emout20.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Cr1K02.0.7k2.ija_p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/174 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: JNaudin509@aol.com wrote: > > Hi TEP Team, > I have used : > > - a BIFILAR coil L1,L2 ( interweaved ) which has a calculated inductance of > 0.59 mH ( each ) > > - a BUCKING coil L1,L2 ( in serial ) which has a calculated inductance of > 0.75 mH ( each ) > > The tested coils are switched through a transistor BDX53C by a square wave > generator.. > The inducted signal is received through a coil L3 ( wounded around the > bifilar ). > Calculated inductance : L3 = 7.6 mH > > You will find in attached document a ZIP of these tests, I shall publish it > soon in my web site. > > - bifdesc.jpg : The Bifilar is not activated, the square signal is sent only > on L1 coil and received on L3. You will see a normal induction setup during > the ON/OFF sequences. > > - bifactiv.jpg : The Bifilar is activated, the square signal is sent on L1 > AND L2 coils and received on L3. The flux of L1 cancels the flux of L2. The > Bifilar act as a simple resistor, like a non-inductive coil, you see almost > nothing....may be only "the scalar waves" are sent here ? Flux is canceled in this case, I agree! > - buckdesa.jpg : The Bucking coil is not activated, the square signal is sent > only on L1 coil and received on L3. You will see a normal induction setup > during the ON/OFF sequences. > > - buckacti.jpg : The Bucking coil is activated, the square signal is sent on > L1 AND L2 coils and received on L3. The flux of L1 cancels the flux of L2, > but only during the establishment of the current ( ON sequence ). > BUT when the current drops ( OFF sequence ), you will see a normal induction > setup. FLux is not canceled, but is distorted by mutual repulsion, so it does not couple to L3. This is NOT flux cancelation, or we could not have the back EMF when the fields collapse! Clearly there are fields persent! > Look at the scope pictures, this is very different from the bifilar coil > configuration, this prove that the BACK EMF EXISTS REALLY!!!! So the magnetic > energy exists in the bucking coil. > > I hope that these informations will interest you, I look forward to receive > your comments about this. > > Sincerely, > > Jean-Louis Naudin Thanks for the post Jean, I hope this clears up my position on the old 'differences in the fields' thread. If you look through a lot of scalar theory, you will see that many have claimed that the bucking coils arangement produces scalar products. This is incorrect, as you have shown here. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 22 19:37:21 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id TAA12351; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 19:36:55 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 19:36:55 -0700 Message-ID: <33FE75B2.4A2E@tiac.net> Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 22:31:30 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Parametrics & scalars. References: <199708230048.KAA11888@nornet.nor.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"U512J1.0.u03.6pa_p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/175 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Peter Nielsen wrote: > > >I think I'll wind one or two. Would this be "Tesla's flat spiral" > >coil? I've had a few people lighting a fire under my butt to play with > >these for some time now. > > > > As long as you're winding two, it might be interesting to try them in a > bucking configuration. Bucking coils are not nearly as interesting as opposed bifilar coils! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 22 19:45:23 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id TAA13510; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 19:45:09 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 19:45:09 -0700 Message-ID: <33FE7682.34EF@tiac.net> Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 22:34:58 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Unifying FE effects References: <199708230048.KAA11886@nornet.nor.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"wpxsI3.0._I3.qwa_p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/176 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Peter Nielsen wrote: > > >> In other words, aether can be manipulated by the proper configuration > >> of magnetic fields? > >> > > >Yes, but I'd say that magnetic and electric fields are only special > >cases of the Aether having been manipulated by scalar potentials in > >specific configurations. There are many other configurations of > >potentials as well. > > > > And what many things would we say these produce? Excuse me while I now > change your "reply to" address :-) Sorry about that, I've been a tad dense. Someone kindly reccomended making that field blank, so this should help. As to what is produced, it is the long fabled scalar wave/field thing! It appears to have a megnetic and electric case, as well as the scalar E/M condition often called a 'wave'. But it gets more complex that this when we 'enfold' modulations on the opposed potentials. > Peter Nielsen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 22 19:56:30 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id TAA24961; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 19:56:13 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 19:56:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33FE4F78.825E1E7A@microtronics.com.au> Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 12:18:24 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Spin balance system in gif format X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199708221719.KAA23378@pop1.ucdavis.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"00EV83.0.w56.B5b_p"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/177 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Dan Quickert wrote: > > Butch, > > GIF came through just fine. > > It may be useful to note that Greg Watson reported earlier that > attraction/repel forces are not equal. I believe it was said that inequality > varies by materials, but in general, at a given separation distance > repelling force is less than attractive force. I can forward to you his GIF > showing a graph of the difference, if you like. > > Dan Hi Dan, This is correct. BUT, you must understand that the difference is due to the magnets operational point on their B/H curve being different. In the opposing case, the magnets are working with the demagnetizing field of the other magnet. This causes the magnets to move its operating point down the B/H curve and reduce its flux output. In the attraction case, the opposite is the case. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Phone / PC Fax ...... 61 8 8270 2737 E-mail .............. gwatson@microtronics.com.au Home Page ........... Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 22 20:01:48 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id SAA14956; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 18:26:08 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 18:26:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 10:48:39 +1000 Message-Id: <199708230048.KAA11886@nornet.nor.com.au> X-Sender: openway@pophost.nor.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Peter Nielsen Subject: Re: Unifying FE effects Resent-Message-ID: <"b6Kuf.0.qa3._gZ_p"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/170 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >> In other words, aether can be manipulated by the proper configuration >> of magnetic fields? >> >Yes, but I'd say that magnetic and electric fields are only special >cases of the Aether having been manipulated by scalar potentials in >specific configurations. There are many other configurations of >potentials as well. > And what many things would we say these produce? Excuse me while I now change your "reply to" address :-) Peter Nielsen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 22 20:30:57 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id SAA15076; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 18:23:59 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 18:23:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 10:48:43 +1000 Message-Id: <199708230048.KAA11890@nornet.nor.com.au> X-Sender: openway@pophost.nor.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Peter Nielsen Subject: Re: Bifilar VS Bucking Coil - TESTS RESULTS Resent-Message-ID: <"X70Dk1.0.ad3.JhZ_p"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/171 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >Look at the scope pictures, this is very different from the bifilar coil >configuration, this prove that the BACK EMF EXISTS REALLY!!!! So the magnetic >energy exists in the bucking coil. > Nice work, but I still contend that apparent conservation of inductance does not necessarily rule out O/U. How do you know it is not arising from a generated scalar field, since it and the magnetic field are dimensionally aligned? How do you know there is not a surplus of energy, in some other form, that you are neglecting to measure? On the other hand, in a bifiliar coil, the scalar component arises at right angles to the coil, as it must do for dimensional translation of flux to an electric field. That tells you where to look. As a follow-up to Jean's experiment, I would suggest enclosing the gap between the coils with a homemade cylindrical capacitor of foil and "C" grade mylar. A Barium Titanate cylinder, of the type used in sonobouys, would be better. You could then check for any difference in the cap's potential between when the coil polarities are opposed and aligned. Peter Nielsen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 22 21:28:48 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id VAA30744; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 21:28:27 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 21:28:27 -0700 Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 16:29:41 +1000 Message-Id: <199708230629.QAA27457@main.murray.net.au> X-Sender: egel@main.murray.net.au (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Geoff Egel Subject: Re:Free shareware copy of Solaris Free energy encyclopedia Resent-Message-ID: <"-ex1J.0.CW7.gRc_p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/178 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 08:36 PM 8/15/97 -0700, you wrote: For those that have had trouble downloading my enclopedia of free energy The following information may be of interest to you. I have made some modifications to the 1.44 meg zip file and broke it into five smaller zips All zip will need to be dowmloaded and then unzipped into a single directory You will then need a web browser to view articles you should be able to download them now at the following site >http://geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135/free.htm Geoff Egel Web sites >http://www2.murray.net.au/users/egel http://geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135 http://members.tripod.com/~geoffegel From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 22 22:17:22 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id WAA04346; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 22:16:50 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 22:16:50 -0700 Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 22:16:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708230516.WAA23388@germany.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: mrandall@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Michael Randall Subject: Re: Bifilar VS Bucking Coil - TESTS RESULTS Resent-Message-ID: <"IMwHK2.0.p31.09d_p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/179 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi Jean-Louis, Good experiment. Your data just proved that over half the the scalar theories on coil design were incorrect. Its nice to even _see_ the real thing instead of reading about it. Also looking forward to your TEP V4.0 current I/O oscilliscope data. The TEP V3.0 I/O was incredible! Sincerely, Michael Randall From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 22 22:31:06 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id WAA13258; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 22:29:21 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 22:29:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 22:28:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708230528.WAA12831@franc.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: szdanq@blue.ucdavis.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dan Quickert Subject: Re: Parametrics & scalars. Resent-Message-ID: <"n-W5U3.0.2F3.kKd_p"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/180 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Bob Shannon wrote: >Bucking coils are not nearly as interesting as opposed bifilar coils! Aaack! Haven't yet gotten confirmation of what a 'bucking coils' is (is it just 2 coils laid out end-to-end with current going opposite ways?), and now we've got 'opposed bifilar coils'! Okay, I'm stupid today (please, resist further extrapolations) - but what do you mean by opposed bifilars? A bifilar has current running both directions, so how would one 'oppose' that? The second coil wound in the opposite direction? Thanks for any enlightenment, Dan From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 23 00:31:38 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id AAA18678; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 00:30:27 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 00:30:27 -0700 Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 00:30:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708230730.AAA20140@franc.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: szdanq@blue.ucdavis.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dan Quickert Subject: bucking bifilar scalars Resent-Message-ID: <"3mgRU1.0.hZ4.I6f_p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/182 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: IMHO, a bifilar coil is just 'bucking' on a different scale, much finer-grained. When you measure any mag field, you're getting the *net* field at the measuring point. You don't detect a field from a bifilar because the grain of the field polarities is smaller than your measuring device - just as you measure 'no field' from a piece of unaligned iron, even though it is full of magnetic dipoles. So if a bifilar is just fine-grained 'bucking', and if a bifilar puts out scalars, then there is no reason to believe that a 'bucking coil' arrangement doesn't also make scalars, albeit less efficiently, and perhaps with different characteristics. In light of that, and the results Jean-Louis got from his bucking-coil experiment, Bob Shannon's comment about 'opposed bifilars' seems on-target. I'm assuming that he meant two bifilars, wound in opposite directions. Sounds like ATG's BiPEG and Jean-Louis' TEP. Interference between two scalars? Are we getting somewhere? Dan From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 23 00:32:55 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id AAA22219; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 00:31:35 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 00:31:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 00:30:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708230730.AAA20130@franc.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: szdanq@blue.ucdavis.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dan Quickert Subject: Re: Bifilar VS Bucking Coil - TESTS RESULTS Resent-Message-ID: <"YDLmO1.0.4R5.L7f_p"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/181 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Bob Shannon wrote: >> >> - buckacti.jpg : The Bucking coil is activated, the square signal is sent on >> L1 AND L2 coils and received on L3. The flux of L1 cancels the flux of L2, >> but only during the establishment of the current ( ON sequence ). >> BUT when the current drops ( OFF sequence ), you will see a normal induction >> setup. > >FLux is not canceled, but is distorted by mutual repulsion, so it does >not couple to L3. This is NOT flux cancelation, or we could not have >the back EMF when the fields collapse! > >Clearly there are fields persent! Yes, but why does the collapse of those opposed fields induce a current in L3? Wouldn't we expect them to cancel, as when the fields were building? Looks oddly asymmetrical to me. What would be the conventional explanation for that? Something got them out of phase? Is it possible that a scalar *was* produced, and its collapse had something to do with the appearance of the induced current? (see my other post, 'bucking bifilar scalars') Dan From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 23 01:23:11 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id BAA22625; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 01:22:55 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 01:22:55 -0700 Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 01:22:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708230822.BAA26695@italy.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: TEP vs. blocking Oscillator Resent-Message-ID: <"b2DKc2.0.QX5.Utf_p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/183 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Still am working on my TEP. I found because the base coil, L3, is driven by the L1, L2 bifilar coil, except for a short initial pulse ~2 uS, after which the bifilar acts as normal (as Jean-Louis stated at the beginning of the TEP discussion), the L3 gets no coupling so the transistor is mostly off. Because of this (lack of activity), I get only <5% power feedback to the battery. To do a comparison, I built a similar blocking osc, but without a bifilar winding, to see what % power feedback I could get. This is conventional technology only for a baseline reference This was inspired by Jean-Louis' V4.0 coupling L4 to the other coils, L3 in particular. > --------+12 Volts > \ C > 4.7K/ C L1 150 Turns,20mm diam. > \ C . > | | / |/ (C)------>|---4.7 Ohm-- To +12 Volts to > --| |---------| 2N3055 1N4935 feedback current. > . C | | (B)|\ > L2 C C1 \ (E) > 100T C | > ------------------- -12 Volts L2 is wound on a tube which slips over L1. C1, 0.1uF and 4.7K base bias resistor are required. If L2 is connected directly to the base, oscillations will stop when feedback circuit (1N4935 and 4.7 Ohm curremt sampling resistor) is connected to +12 Volts. Battery current = 50 mA without feedback circuit. Battery current = 120 mA with feedback circuit connected; feedback current recycled to battery = 40 mA (average), efficiency = 33%. The current waveform fed back to the battery looks like a 40KHz half-wave rectified waveform. So hopefully the TEP can exceed this efficiency. -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 23 04:32:09 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id EAA02383; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 04:31:49 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 04:31:49 -0700 Message-ID: <33FC5B57.77CD@mail.dux.ru> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 19:14:32 +0400 From: "Alexander V. Frolov" Reply-To: frolov@mail.dux.ru Organization: Home Lab X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Parametrics & scalars. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"xDGqi1.0.2b.aei_p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/184 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Stuart Rae wrote: > I'd also be very interested in an opinion of Tesla's Bifilar Patent # > 312540, where he has two wires wound together, and the end of the first > winding goes back to the start of the second. This increases the potential > difference between each turn, thereby applying energy to the inductors > distributed self capacitance. His patent drawing is of a flat wound inductor. I made the asymmetrical EM transformer, the primarry coil is the cylinder and the secondary is the flat spire wound. There is the effect of free power output in this device, i.e. some power can be obtained free of any influence to the primarry. Alexander V. Frolov From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 23 04:33:26 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id EAA02656; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 04:33:10 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 04:33:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33FE209F.3267@mail.dux.ru> Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 03:28:31 +0400 From: "Alexander V. Frolov" Reply-To: frolov@mail.dux.ru Organization: Home Lab X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "reed@zenergy.com" CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: N Machine References: <01BCAF0F.27B86F20.reed@zenergy.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"qwH473.0.Pf.qfi_p"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/185 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Reed Huish wrote: > > > Does anyone know who Bruce DePalma is and his background? > > > > Please see: http://www.mufor.org/nmachine.html > > An excellent history of DePalma, the N-machine, and homopolar > generators > is written in Tom Valone's book The Homopolar Handbook. Valone's # > for ordering is 800.295.7674, or you can find his book in the Tesla > Society > and other bookstores. > > I am not aware of any proper test results which demonstrate any > N-machine or homopolar generator is over-unity. My two partners > lost about $500,000 on DePalama in a previous business, and > they have uncovered a list of over a dozen investors who have > also lost money with DePalama. At best his prototype was about > 70-75% efficient. I put about $120,000 into another > homopolar inventor in Florida, but after 9 prototypes I refused to > fund him anymore since nothing was over-unity. > > There are other new energy technologies much more worthy of > attention. > Hi, Reed At first, I never saw some information about such sort aspect for N-machine as the radial segmentation of the disk. Without this aspect, the system can not be over-unity in strength of the induced Fouko currents, these are the reason for deceleration of the disk. Perhaps, it can to help. On the other hand, Dr. Inomata, Japan, has developing the homopolar induction topic, including superconducting magnets. May be he used the proper configuration. Also there is some more idea, I published in New Enegry News, 1994, FIC, Utah. As all you know, the formulais F=qVH, where velocity V or intensity H are two factors for output power generation. But before nobody tried to change the material factor to increase the numbers of "q" i.e the density of the charged particles in this system, so simple copper disk conventionally was used as the material which can provide "most" numbers of free electrons for output. But it is not the best solution. I proposed to use special material for disk of the machine, i.e. the proton saturated disk that is the cathod of the electrolytical system, something like cold fusion cell. The voltage for it can be a very low, 6 Volt, for example. The density of the plasma would be about 10^29 1/m^3, so the velocity and the magneticv field can be a very small but the output would be much more higher that for copper disk. In some sense, we must to join two ideas: N-machine + well-known magnetohydrodynamical (MHD) generators, where the plasma is moving in magnetic field. But I proposed to use "cold plasma" i.e. the saturated cathod of the electrolytical cell. It is easy than operations with hot plasma of industrial MHD generators. Any comments? Alexander V. Frolov From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 23 04:32:09 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id EAA02421; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 04:32:02 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 04:32:02 -0700 Message-ID: <33FBEEF3.1844@mail.dux.ru> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 11:32:04 +0400 From: "Alexander V. Frolov" Reply-To: frolov@mail.dux.ru Organization: Home Lab X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: experimental time wave generator References: <199708200713.AAA18494@mail1.halcyon.com> <33fed78e.8821059@mail.eisa.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"VKFoz.0.kb.mei_p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/186 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi, Maxwell or Faraday or Einstein said: The Ether can to interact with the light (photon) by means of the matter. So, if you'll play with laser beam and electrical field, also please use some matter (like glass or organic glass) as the intermediator between the ether and the photon. ................................ Robin van Spaandonk wrote: > > On Wed, 20 Aug 1997 00:13:13 -0700, Fred Epps wrote: > [snip] > >Yes, did you get my reference to the paper where it was suggested that a > >laser beam be used to measure time changes due to an electric field? > [snip] > Yes I did, but I think your suggestion suffers from the "in-out" > problem mentioned earlier. To avoid this problem, it is necessary that > the *source* of light actually be contained within the field being > tested. > I might add, that if no "clock" can be found, then essentially one has > a field that has an effect indistinguishable from that of changing > time, hence effectively a time machine (perhaps more accurately, a > "stasis" field - to borrow a little trekkie terminology). > So almost paradoxically, the criterion for success when trying to > produce such a field, may well be that no clock can be found with > which to measure the effect. > > Robin van Spaandonk From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 23 05:17:24 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id FAA05836; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 05:16:56 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 05:16:56 -0700 Message-ID: <33FED2BD.384@ctv.es> Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 14:08:29 +0200 From: Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga Reply-To: vramos@ctv.es X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Bifilar VS Bucking Coil - TESTS RESULTS References: <199708230048.KAA11890@nornet.nor.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Jq2-u3.0.5R1.tIj_p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/187 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Peter Nielsen wrote: > > >Look at the scope pictures, this is very different from the bifilar coil... > > As a follow-up to Jean's experiment, I would suggest enclosing the gap > between the coils with a homemade cylindrical capacitor of foil and "C" > grade mylar. A Barium Titanate cylinder, of the type used in sonobouys, > would be better. You could then check for any difference in the cap's > potential between when the coil polarities are opposed and aligned. > > Peter Nielsen Peter and all; This configuration can be near the famous big cans of the Testatika? -- Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga E-mail: vramos@ctv.es Home Page: http://www.ctv.es/USERS/vramos/home.htm Burriana (Castellon) SPAIN From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 23 08:14:01 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id IAA18528; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 08:13:47 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 08:13:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970823090838.007548b4@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 09:08:38 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: Re: bucking bifilar scalars (and my daily babble) In-Reply-To: <199708230730.AAA20140@franc.ucdavis.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"PfBor.0.NX4.eul_p"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/188 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi All, If the dI/dT must be large for the production of scalar waves, then a bifilar winding is the obvious choice. Two coils positioned so that their magnetic fields are in opposition have much greater self inductance, so the dI/dT will be less, (all other variables being equal.) I'm wondering if a bifilar coil is necessary at all. Maybe scalar waves are produced by all fast rise time EM events, and the bifilar coil is just an efficient radiator, in that non-scalar radiation is minimized. I've also been pondering the source of the detected spread spectrum signals that were reported by the builders of scalar wave detectors. My suspicion is that they are receiving signals from GWEN (ground wave emergency network) which operates many stations scattered across the country between 150-190 Khz. Best Regards, JD ------------------------------------------------------------ "Those who do not know the torment of the unknown cannot have the joy of discovery." -Claude Bernard. E-mail to: mules@palacenet.net ------------------------------------------------------------ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 23 08:44:26 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id IAA22326; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 08:44:10 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 08:44:10 -0700 (PDT) From: JNaudin509@aol.com Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 11:42:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970823114218_151516201@emout14.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re : TEP vs. blocking Oscillator Resent-Message-ID: <"HyloI2.0.lS5.7Lm_p"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/189 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On 23/08/1997 15:30:41 , Dave Dameron wrote: << Date : 23/08/1997 15:30:41 From: ddameron@earthlink.net (Dave Dameron) Still am working on my TEP. I found because the base coil, L3, is driven by the L1, L2 bifilar coil, except for a short initial pulse ~2 uS, after which the bifilar acts as normal (as Jean-Louis stated at the beginning of the TEP discussion), the L3 gets no coupling so the transistor is mostly off. Because of this (lack of activity), I get only <5% power feedback to the battery. To do a comparison, I built a similar blocking osc, but without a bifilar winding, to see what % power feedback I could get. This is conventional technology only for a baseline reference >> Hi Dave, Thank you very much for your excellent feedback about the TEP. I shall soon post this to my web site in "experimenter's feedback" topics. I agree with you concerning the blocking oscillator principle, that is conventional technology. My research about the TEP has to goals : - Firstly : Exploring the Scalar waves domain and their anomalous effects during the interactions with Zpe and its strange propagation in space. - Secondly : Use the parametric effect in a bifilar coil for trying to tap energy. I think that the TEP work like my first design of my Magnetic Compression Energy Pump ( at : http://members.aol.com/overunity/html/mcep.htm ) that I have designed in March 97. The TEP is able to use the parametric effect in a BIFILAR, the blocking oscillator technology ( as you said to me ) as a PUMP due to the Magnetic/Time flow compression. The tuning of the TEP must be accurate, and the choose of the adapted transistor is VERY important. Nice to speak with you soon and share some very interesting ideas about this subject. Sincerely, ( This mail has been sent at 15h30 GMT on 23 August 97 ) Jean-Louis Naudin ( France / GMT+2 ) Email : JNaudin509@aol.com my Overunity WEB Server : http://members.aol.com/JNaudin509/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 23 17:47:23 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id RAA32248; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 17:46:48 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 17:46:48 -0700 Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 10:46:39 +1000 Message-Id: <199708240046.KAA26548@nornet.nor.com.au> X-Sender: openway@pophost.nor.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Peter Nielsen Subject: Re: Parametrics & scalars. Resent-Message-ID: <"K1pEB3.0.it7.sHu_p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/194 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >Bucking coils are not nearly as interesting as opposed bifilar coils! > >Bob Shannon Oh, you mean _bucking_ bifilars?? Does anyone else detect a slight, umm ... inconsistancy here? Peter Nielsen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 23 17:48:36 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id RAA17451; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 17:47:57 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 17:47:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 10:46:33 +1000 Message-Id: <199708240046.KAA26544@nornet.nor.com.au> X-Sender: openway@pophost.nor.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Peter Nielsen Subject: Re: Bifilar VS Bucking Coil - TESTS RESULTS Resent-Message-ID: <"9GTEB1.0.WG4.wIu_p"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/192 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >Is it possible that a scalar *was* produced, and its collapse had something >to do with the appearance of the induced current? (see my other post, >'bucking bifilar scalars') > IMO any time you have opposing fields, scalars are produced, to some degree. I have been looking at the biological effects of these for a long time, and a bucking coil and bifiliar are qualitatively similar, i.e. very different from ordinary EMR. Scalars may be polarized or diffuse, to varying degrees, the same as any ordinary electric or magnetic field. If diffuse, as in the case of a bucking coil interface, their vectors will be random and not impact upon the internal dynamics of the emitter. Simply an alternating compression and rarification of the time domain proportionate to the intensity of the field. This conservation of inductance is necessary in systems using a magnetic vortex to generate FE, as opposed to the vectoral translation of bifiliars which occurs at right angles to the conventional field. Think of what happens along the _center_ of the coil in each instance. To say a scalar component is not there at all in bucking fields is to miss the relevant point that random-vectored fluctuations can be cohered into useable energy. For instance, several of the PM motors translate convergent magnetic fields (N-N) into torque. My bottom line is that scalar radiation is an inherent property of the instantaneous aether/time flow continuum, and therefore implicit in all conjugate field transactions. Perhaps someone can tell me how this cannot be? Peter Nielsen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 23 17:47:23 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id RAA32285; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 17:46:55 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 17:46:55 -0700 Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 10:46:36 +1000 Message-Id: <199708240046.KAA26546@nornet.nor.com.au> X-Sender: openway@pophost.nor.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Peter Nielsen Subject: Re: N Machine Resent-Message-ID: <"0acm51.0.Yt7.rHu_p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/193 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >copper disk conventionally was used as the material which can provide >"most" numbers of free electrons for output. But it is not the best >solution. > Perhaps if you were to rotate the disk within a zero field, i.e. a positively charged cylinder, an improvement in efficiency would be noted. A resulting scalar potential would converge upon the axis, thereby stimulating emission of electrons, particularly if made of piezo ceramic. Peter Nielsen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 23 17:51:13 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id RAA00482; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 17:51:01 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 17:51:01 -0700 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 17:46:41 -0700 Subject: Barkhausen effect research Message-ID: <19970823.174649.11366.0.tv@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-11 From: tv@juno.com (Tim D Vaughan) Resent-Message-ID: <"BJ1Dm.0.R7.qLu_p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/195 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: There is an interesting web page about the research on the Barkhausen Effect at www.lassp.cornell.edu/sethna/hysterisis It is not about free energy. But helps to understand what causes the complex phenomena of Barkhausen Noise that may have some useful effects such as Bob Shannon's Barkhausen Battery. Tim ( tv@juno.com ) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 23 19:18:03 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id TAA14492; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 19:17:35 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 19:17:35 -0700 Message-Id: Date: Sun, 24 Aug 97 14:16 NZST X-Sender: srae@shoppe.mlb.planet.gen.nz Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: srae@mlb.planet.gen.nz (Stuart Rae) Subject: Re: Parametrics & scalars. X-Mailer: Resent-Message-ID: <"YwiPE3.0.LY3.zcv_p"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/196 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi Alexander, you wrote: >Stuart Rae wrote: >> I'd also be very interested in an opinion of Tesla's Bifilar Patent # >> 312540, where he has two wires wound together, and the end of the first >> winding goes back to the start of the second. This increases the potential >> difference between each turn, thereby applying energy to the inductors >> distributed self capacitance. His patent drawing is of a flat wound inductor. > >I made the asymmetrical EM transformer, the primarry coil is the >cylinder and the secondary is the flat spire wound. There is the effect >of free power output in this device, i.e. some power can be obtained >free of any influence to the primarry. > Your remarks are EXTREMELY interesting, as this is EXACTLY one of many configurations I'm currently experimenting with. Could you please elaborate a little further on how you understand these effects to occur. Regards, Stuart Rae From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 23 19:40:06 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id TAA01737 for bilb@eskimo.com; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 19:39:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 19:39:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Envelope-From: frroed@online.no Sat Aug 23 19:39:48 1997 Received: from online.no (pilt.online.no [193.212.1.34]) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) with ESMTP id TAA01707 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 19:39:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gollum (ti10a03-0013.dialup.online.no [130.67.80.205]) by online.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id EAA01826 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 04:38:33 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <33F9E6D2.5AD7@online.no> Old-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 20:32:50 +0200 From: Frank Roed X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Flux-Switch Alternators References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Diagnostic: Not on the accept list X-Envelope-To: freenrg-l Status: RO X-Status: > On Mon, 18 Aug 1997, Fred Epps wrote: > > Hi All, > > I have an article recommended by Maxwell called "Design Principles Of > Flux-Switch Alternators" if anybody wants a copy. > > Fred > Hi Fred Please send me a copy of the article also. Frank R From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 23 23:32:59 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id XAA20105; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 23:32:36 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 23:32:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33FF2ABB.6962@mail.dux.ru> Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 22:23:55 +0400 From: "Alexander V. Frolov" Reply-To: frolov@mail.dux.ru Organization: Home Lab X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: flat spire secondary coil References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"iK9Tq3.0.1w4.0Mz_p"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/198 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Stuart Rae wrote: > > Hi Alexander, you wrote: > > >Stuart Rae wrote: > >> I'd also be very interested in an opinion of Tesla's Bifilar Patent # > >> 312540, where he has two wires wound together, and the end of the first > >> winding goes back to the start of the second. This increases the potential > >> difference between each turn, thereby applying energy to the inductors > >> distributed self capacitance. His patent drawing is of a flat wound inductor. > > > >I made the asymmetrical EM transformer, the primarry coil is the > >cylinder and the secondary is the flat spire wound. There is the effect > >of free power output in this device, i.e. some power can be obtained > >free of any influence to the primarry. > > > > Your remarks are EXTREMELY interesting, as this is EXACTLY one of many > configurations I'm currently experimenting with. Could you please elaborate > a little further on how you understand these effects to occur. > > Regards, > > Stuart Rae O.k. but what is the device you is working now? I'll describe its operation. In common words: the field of secondary coil is zero in projection to axis of the primarry coil. Alexander V. Frolov From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 23 23:33:01 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id XAA20075; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 23:32:25 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 23:32:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33FF29F4.2580@mail.dux.ru> Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 22:20:37 +0400 From: "Alexander V. Frolov" Reply-To: frolov@mail.dux.ru Organization: Home Lab X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: N Machine? References: <199708240046.KAA26546@nornet.nor.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Xl4zE3.0.av4.tLz_p"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/197 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Peter Nielsen wrote: > resulting scalar potential would converge upon the axis, thereby stimulating > emission of electrons, particularly if made of piezo ceramic. ? Perhaps, it is interesting, but normal unipolar (homopolar) generator was known from Faraday's disk produce radial separation of electrical charges. Sorry, but your reply is out of the topic. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 24 00:59:24 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id AAA26640; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 00:58:55 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 00:58:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708240759.AAA31724@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: "Free Energy" Subject: Tesla Bifilar patent Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 23:26:07 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"bb_eS2.0.9W6.yc-_p"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/199 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi folks! I haven't gotten very far into processing my mail, but I will send GIFs of the Tesla bifilar patent to Greg tomorrow to put on his site. Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 24 02:43:14 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id CAA27900; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 02:42:51 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 02:42:51 -0700 Message-Id: Date: Sun, 24 Aug 97 21:42 NZST X-Sender: srae@shoppe.mlb.planet.gen.nz Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: srae@mlb.planet.gen.nz (Stuart Rae) Subject: Re:flat spire secondary coil X-Mailer: Resent-Message-ID: <"KF4Pw.0.rp6.Q800q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/200 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi Alexander, You said: >>Stuart Rae said: >> >> Your remarks are EXTREMELY interesting, as this is EXACTLY one of many >> configurations I'm currently experimenting with. Could you please elaborate >> a little further on how you understand these effects to occur. >> >> Regards, >> >> Stuart Rae > >O.k. but what is the device you is working now? I'll describe its >operation. In common words: the field of secondary coil is zero in >projection to axis of the primarry coil. > JUST THAT Alexander: That is, > >I made the asymmetrical EM transformer, the primarry coil is the > >cylinder and the secondary is the flat spire wound. There is the effect > >of free power output in this device, i.e. some power can be obtained > >free of any influence to the primarry. OK, do you mean I have no secondary field effect in relation to the primary? I'm neither a physicist nor I mathematician, so can you explain to me what might be happening here. I confess I do have some "unexpected" responses, but how do you expect any "free power output" from such a configuration? - or are you implying a parametric factor? Regards, Stuart Rae From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 24 04:10:44 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id EAA02812; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 04:10:22 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 04:10:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33FF6CB9.5CD6@mail.dux.ru> Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 03:05:29 +0400 From: "Alexander V. Frolov" Reply-To: frolov@mail.dux.ru Organization: Home Lab X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: flat spire secondary coil References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"dgvJP3.0.rh.RQ10q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/201 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Stuart Rae wrote: > OK, do you mean I have no secondary field effect in relation to the primary? Yes, current in secondary is producing the field, but if you'll draw this field, you'll see that there is no any force lines along axis of the primary coil, i.e. there is no effect. > I'm neither a physicist nor I mathematician, so can you explain to me what > might be happening here. Please, 5 years in any High College for Radio Electronics + 12 years of practical work as Engineer in this area and after you completed it, we'll have to talk about. Best respects, Alexander V. Frolov From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 24 04:10:47 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id EAA02835; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 04:10:29 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 04:10:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33FF6D66.498@mail.dux.ru> Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 03:08:22 +0400 From: "Alexander V. Frolov" Reply-To: frolov@mail.dux.ru Organization: Home Lab X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: N Machine References: <01BCAF0F.27B86F20.reed@zenergy.com> <33FE209F.3267@mail.dux.ru> <34019b17.15444158@mail.eisa.net.au> <33FF2BBE.179@mail.dux.ru> <3406ddfe.32573266@mail.eisa.net.au> <33FF6B4F.78D2@mail.dux.ru> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"6WQsc.0.9i.XQ10q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/202 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Alexander V. Frolov wrote: > > Robin van Spaandonk wrote: > > > > On Sat, 23 Aug 1997 22:28:14 +0400, Alexander V. Frolov wrote: > > [snip] > > >Sir, is it the density of the copper or the density of the CHARGED > > >particles we need for output effect in the homopolar generator? I told > > >about density of charged particles that was reported by some scientists > > >are working with cold fusion cell. They really created the such sort > > >"plasma" inside of the cathode of the cell. > > > > > >Alexander V. Frolov > > > > > > > > Dear Alexander, > > > > AFAIK, the two are equal for copper. On average each copper atom > > contributes 1 electron to the conduction band. This is why copper is > > such a good conductor. > > Also silver and gold (notice that they are all 3 in the same group > > (column) in the periodic table). > > When you talk about charged particles, are you happy to accept > > electrons as charged particles? > > > > Robin van Spaandonk > > I see it is necessary to clear the difference: Idea is to use the plasma > state of the matter, like in MHD-generators. Are you agree, that this > state of the matter can be the best solution for homopolar generator > disk? > > Also, I am not sure that ALL electrons of the copper disk take part in > the process. > > Also, I said about charged particles those create the plasma state in > the cathode of any cold fusion cell. > > Alexander V. Frolov From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 24 04:12:32 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id EAA03087; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 04:12:00 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 04:12:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708241112.EAA17507@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: "Free Energy" , Subject: Re: Detectors-- what are they detecting? Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 03:59:24 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"rUC_U1.0.yl.tR10q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/203 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi Bob and all, > > Fred Epps wrote: > > > > > this is the idea that the description or explanation of a > > physical phenomenon IS the process by which we observe it. > > Quantum theory may be telling us that the physical phenomena > IS the observation. Well in the spirit of quantum theory I would say these are COMPLEMENTARY views. > > > When you > > explain something to someone you are essentially instructing them how to > > construct an apparatus to observe the same results. > > Well, this leaves out any theory, but I feel this is the best way to > teach! > > > > > In a general way, the conclusions I draw from all of these "detections" > > (and many others) is that there are a wide range of natural influences of > > which we know very little or nothing. > > Now this seems to totally discount the evolution and testing of theory > by > experiment. I don't agree with this, we know a great deal about natural > influences, we repreat and confirm observations, and often recognise > when > we see somthing outside our expectations. all I'm saying is that many people have seen things outside of expectation, I'm not really referring to the body of already-known natural law and observations that support it. I stand by my statement that there are a wide range of natural influences of which we know very little or nothing. This will always be true, no matter how many experiments we do, because nature is endless. There have been recent books proposing that we are reaching an end to the scientific quest because the basic laws have all been discovered-- I think scientists can come to this conclusion only by excluding huge amounts of data that don't fit their world-view. > > It follows from this that almost ANY > > well-constructed detector designed to shield out known local influences > > will detect something. > But most detector 'experiments' I have performed have not given > significant results, usually for reasons I come to understand later. > 'Good' detector designs are based on these learned lessons, the product > of the knowledge gained. > > They do not come from knowing "very little or nothing". I can't argue with your own practical experience Bob. On the other hand, can you say you know "A lot" about scalars? > > > My point is > > that it does not matter what we call these "detections" because they can be > > made to fit almost any theory at this point. > > This discounts negative results, that are (should be) as, or more common > than positive results. Remember, we test theory by experiment, and we > should know what we are looking for, not conducting a blind search for > whatever we might find. But most of the unusual effects were discovered, not in a blind search, but certainly not in a quest for that particular effect. Witness T.T. Browns discovery of the electrogravitic effect, or Allais' discovery of the perturbations of the motions of pendulums. I'm only suggeting that having a theory to tell you what to look for is only ONE way to proceed. > > > A purely observational > > approach would seem to be more useful than constructing deivces aimed at a > > particular theoretical justification. > > > > The explanations we give to these phenomena are > > purely metaphyical constructions which might give comfort to our souls and > > a sense of meaning to our life, but at this point in time they probably > > have no relation to reality. > > Arn't they tools we use to form testable expectations on how nature will > behave under specific conditions? They are analogs, models we use to > KNOW how nature behaves, thats how they evlove to resemble actual > phenomena. Between testing of models and pure random stumbling around is a middle ground-- the systematic LOOKING FOR EFFECTS in all physical situations that can be isolated from effects that are known. > > > (There is one exception to this situation, and that is where a phenomena > > can be influenced by an environmental factor that is normally blocked by > > shielding. This exception would probably nor apply in the majority of > > cases, because many unknown forces might well be like gravity and not be > > affected by our machinations) > > Any process of elimination will do here. Shielding is only one form of > this process of elimination of known effects. > > Does this make any sense? Yes, these are good points. I think my statements were not meant so much as a complete philosphy about how to proceed in science as a reflection of my reading on the one hand, and a reaction to an excess of theorizing (my own included) in relation to the data available. I like Jean-louis' way of proceeding with his recent tests of bifilar and bucking coils: clearly laid out alternatives, testing, and display of results on the internet. Then underlying assumptions and questions can be seen and dealt with. This is an admirable way to proceed and helps us "free energy fanatic" inventors as well as the more general search for knowledge. Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 24 06:51:42 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id GAA11770; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 06:49:39 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 06:49:39 -0700 From: JNaudin509@aol.com Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 09:49:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970824094905_-1168162573@emout14.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Bifilar Coils : New tests Resent-Message-ID: <"IRLY-3.0.lt2.ol30q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/204 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi All, I have conducted some tests to understand better the working process in the TEP. You will find all scope pictures and schemes in my web site at : http://members.aol.com/overunity4/html/biftest.htm The main goal of these series of tests is to understand better how a Bifilar coil works. I have used : - a BIFILAR coil L1,L2 ( interweaved ) which has a calculated inductance of 0.59 mH ( each ) The tested coils are switched through a transistor BDX53C by a square wave generator.. The signal is sent through a coil L3 ( wounded around the bifilar ). Calculated inductance : L3 = 7.6 mH Case 1 :The Bifilar properties is not used, the square signal is sent on L3 coil and received on L2 ( one coil of the bifilar ). You will see a normal induction setup during the ON/OFF sequences with a 60 V peak signal induced on L3. The DVM ( Digital VoltMeter ) indicates I=222 mA and V=2.343 Volts across a (10ohm + 1uF ) Case 2 : The HOT side of the coil L1 of the bifilar is connected to the COLD side of the coil L2 of the bifilar, thus the COLD side of the coil L1 of the bifilar remains open. You will see a normal induction setup during the ON/OFF sequences BUT with a 100 V peak signal induced on L3. The DVM ( Digital Voltmeter ) indicates I=220.8 mA and V=2.237 V across a (10ohm + 1uF ) Case 3 : The COLD side of the coil L1 of the bifilar is connected to the HOT side of the coil L2 of the bifilar, thus the HOT side of the coil L1 of the bifilar remains open. You will see NO EFFECT on the Current and Voltage on the DVM, it remains constant as in Case 1 NOTES : If you connect a LED (with a 47 K resistor in serial ), you will see that the light of the LED will be more bright in the Case 2 than in the Case 1. But the current in the circuit always DROPS in the Case 2..... I hope that these experiment will interest you..... Notes : This experiment confirms that Hamdi Ucar has tested before : <<........ In this step I am trying to show simply that bifilar coils are not obeying the standard model. It needs more experiment to measure correctly the current, voltage and the applied, current at the dead end (connection point of two coils, field pattern, and repeat these measurements for similar coils. Then after we could obtain enough data to figure out the mechanism of these coils. ........ >> Sincerely, ( This mail has been sent at 13h30 GMT on 24 August 97 ) Jean-Louis Naudin ( France / GMT+2 ) Email : JNaudin509@aol.com my Overunity WEB Server : http://members.aol.com/JNaudin509/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 24 11:08:09 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id LAA14069; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 11:07:55 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 11:07:55 -0700 Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 11:07:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708241807.LAA14294@norway.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: mrandall@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Michael Randall Subject: Re: TEP vs. blocking Oscillator Resent-Message-ID: <"8RDoR2.0.kR3.wX70q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/206 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On 01:22 AM 8/23/97 -0700, Dave Dameron wrote: > >Still am working on my TEP. I found because the base coil, L3, is driven by >the L1, L2 bifilar coil, except for a short initial pulse ~2 uS, after which >the bifilar >acts as normal (as Jean-Louis stated at the beginning of the TEP >discussion), the L3 gets no coupling so the >transistor is mostly off. Because of this (lack of activity), I get only <5% >power feedback to the battery. To do a comparison, I built a similar >blocking osc, but without a bifilar winding, to see what % power feedback I >could get.>>> Hi Dave, Why do you only get 5% power feedback? Did you change _any_ of Lean-Louis Naudin TEP V2 design? Jean-Louis mentioned that the transistor had to be as he used. Did you use a different transitor? Maybe a different manufacturer of the same chip? Maybe the ferrite rod for tuning was not the same size of Jean-Louis design (it is unspecified). Did you wind the L3 in the opposite direction of the L1 & L2 (specified in answer to my question)? This is important due to myself and others who plan on building a unit. If you cann't build it according to the spec's shown then others will have the same problem. Regards, Michael Randall From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 24 13:02:02 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id NAA22408; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 13:01:25 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 13:01:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3400BBC8.546C@tiac.net> Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 15:55:04 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: bucking bifilar scalars References: <199708230730.AAA20140@franc.ucdavis.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"M5I743.0.1U5.JC90q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/208 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Dan Quickert wrote: > > IMHO, a bifilar coil is just 'bucking' on a different scale, much > finer-grained. When you measure any mag field, you're getting the *net* > field at the measuring point. You don't detect a field from a bifilar > because the grain of the field polarities is smaller than your measuring > device - just as you measure 'no field' from a piece of unaligned iron, even > though it is full of magnetic dipoles. This concept was suggested during the "differances in the fields" thread long ago. EXperiments at many levels of scale all appear to show that there is indeed a differance between bifilar and bucking coils, perhaps a function of the curl of the field where is undergoes opposition. > So if a bifilar is just fine-grained 'bucking', and if a bifilar puts out > scalars, then there is no reason to believe that a 'bucking coil' > arrangement doesn't also make scalars, albeit less efficiently, and perhaps > with different characteristics. All the evidence suggests something very different. Bifilar coils oppose the flux around each conductor before it has summed into what I refer to as a macro-pole. Once the macropole has formed, the field will no longer undergo vector superposition. The evidence lies in the net inductances of each case, near zero for the bifilar coil, but quite high for the bucking coils. > In light of that, and the results Jean-Louis got from his bucking-coil > experiment, Bob Shannon's comment about 'opposed bifilars' seems on-target. > I'm assuming that he meant two bifilars, wound in opposite directions. > Sounds like ATG's BiPEG and Jean-Louis' TEP. Interference between two > scalars? Are we getting somewhere? "Bifilar" refres ti having two interposed windings, but says nothing about the direction of current flow in each winding. "Opposed bifilar" describes both the winding geometery and the direction of current flow. This is rather bad news for the ATG group, the bucking coils and the bifilar coils are NOT interchangable. Bucking coils do NOT produce scalar products, as the potentials are still fully expressed as vector magnetic fields. When it was pointed out that ATG's over unity claim was for the bucking coil case, I bagan to have some significant doubts for this very reason. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 24 13:11:23 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id NAA30293; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 13:11:07 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 13:11:07 -0700 Message-ID: <3400BE58.7099@tiac.net> Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 16:06:00 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: bucking bifilar scalars (and my daily babble) References: <3.0.1.32.19970823090838.007548b4@palacenet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"UEtnt3.0.DP7.QL90q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/209 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Jack DeMule wrote: > > Hi All, > > If the dI/dT must be large for the production of scalar > waves, then a bifilar winding is the obvious choice. > Two coils positioned so that their magnetic fields are > in opposition have much greater self inductance, so the > dI/dT will be less, (all other variables being equal.) > > I'm wondering if a bifilar coil is necessary at all. > Maybe scalar waves are produced by all fast rise time > EM events, and the bifilar coil is just an efficient > radiator, in that non-scalar radiation is minimized. IF you look at the Whittaker papers, we can understand Bearden's position that all EM waves are second order scalar effects. EM waves are two or more paired scalars by this reasoning, so you may be quite correct here. > I've also been pondering the source of the detected > spread spectrum signals that were reported by the > builders of scalar wave detectors. My suspicion > is that they are receiving signals from GWEN > (ground wave emergency network) which operates > many stations scattered across the country between > 150-190 Khz. Assuming you are correct, and that these are in fact military transmissions, those who have received these signals cannot lawfully disclose their contents. This presents something of a problem for researchers interested in the source of these transmissions. Because it is possible that these transmissions are military in nature, I have chosen not to discuss specifics, nor to disclose any information on the contents of these transmissions. > ------------------------------------------------------------ > "Those who do not know the torment of the unknown cannot have > the joy of discovery." -Claude Bernard. > > E-mail to: mules@palacenet.net > > ------------------------------------------------------------ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 24 13:21:53 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id NAA23782; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 13:21:44 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 13:21:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3400C088.D77@tiac.net> Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 16:15:20 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Parametrics & scalars. References: <199708240046.KAA26548@nornet.nor.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"L87pY1.0.Vp5.MV90q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/210 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Peter Nielsen wrote: > > >Bucking coils are not nearly as interesting as opposed bifilar coils! > > > >Bob Shannon > > Oh, you mean _bucking_ bifilars?? > > Does anyone else detect a slight, umm ... inconsistancy here? Sorry for the confusion Peter, Bifilar only describes the windings, not the direction of current flow. "Opposed bifilar" was intended to describe both the winding geometery and the direction of current flow. Bifilar coils are not alwys used with opposed current flows. I'll try to be more clear in the future. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 24 13:31:11 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id NAA00836; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 13:31:06 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 13:31:06 -0700 Message-ID: <3400C306.65A1@tiac.net> Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 16:25:58 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Bifilar VS Bucking Coil - TESTS RESULTS References: <199708240046.KAA26544@nornet.nor.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"y2tWr.0.zC.9e90q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/211 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Peter Nielsen wrote: > IMO any time you have opposing fields, scalars are produced, to some degree. > I have been looking at the biological effects of these for a long time, and > a bucking coil and bifiliar are qualitatively similar, i.e. very different > from ordinary EMR. Hmmm, I dont agree with this view. It is true that scalars are always present in all EM waves, as descvribed by Bearden and supported by Whittaker, but Bearden appears to be correct in that all EM expressions of the opposed potentials must be suppressed to yeild pure scalars. Many researchers (Bedini, etc.) seem to think otherwise, and may use permanent magnets glued together in opposition. This does not suppress the EM expression of the fundemental expressions, it simply distorts the fields. In some cases, it may also move the magnets along the B-H curve as described by Greg Watson, but it does not produce scalar waves, as we have no significant dV/dT in this case. Also, scalar detectors simply ignore opposed magnets and bucking coils while reacting with great sensitivity to bifilar cases. > Scalars may be polarized or diffuse, to varying degrees, the same as any > ordinary electric or magnetic field. If diffuse, as in the case of a bucking > coil interface, their vectors will be random and not impact upon the > internal dynamics of the emitter. Simply an alternating compression and > rarification of the time domain proportionate to the intensity of the field. If the potentials are still expressed as vector fields, how are scalars produced under these conditions? > This conservation of inductance is necessary in systems using a magnetic > vortex to generate FE, as opposed to the vectoral translation of bifiliars > which occurs at right angles to the conventional field. Think of what > happens along the _center_ of the coil in each instance. To say a scalar > component is not there at all in bucking fields is to miss the relevant > point that random-vectored fluctuations can be cohered into useable energy. > For instance, several of the PM motors translate convergent magnetic fields > (N-N) into torque. I beleive that we are using the term 'scalars' for different phenomena. > My bottom line is that scalar radiation is an inherent property of the > instantaneous aether/time flow continuum, and therefore implicit in all > conjugate field transactions. Perhaps someone can tell me how this cannot be? > > Peter Nielsen What is your opinion of Bearden's position (as outlined in the Towards a New Electromagnetics series) where he states that all EM expression must be suppressed? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 24 18:44:51 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id SAA08934; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 18:44:45 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 18:44:45 -0700 Message-Id: <199708250146.SAA14771@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: "Free Energy" Subject: Tesla Bifilar patent Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 18:50:47 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"E1nbv2.0.RB2.CEE0q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/212 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi Folks! I have sent the Tesla bifilar patent to Greg to put on his site, but in the meantime, if you need to have a copy I will send you one. Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 24 19:19:33 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id TAA01202; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 19:19:09 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 19:19:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 12:17:42 +1000 Message-Id: <199708250217.MAA07055@nornet.nor.com.au> X-Sender: openway@pophost.nor.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Peter Nielsen Subject: Scalar arcade game HERE! Resent-Message-ID: <"cxpCH2.0.eI.PkE0q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/214 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >It is true that scalars are always present in all EM waves, as >descvribed by Bearden and supported by Whittaker, but Bearden appears to >be correct in that >all EM expressions of the opposed potentials must be suppressed to yeild >pure scalars. > I agree fully, for PURE scalars. However, the point I am trying to make is that imperfect suppression results in "imperfect", but usable, results. The question is whether _any_ energy is being translated out of the contributing fields. I feel it is important to either confirm or discount this, as it influences our interpretation of FE devices. >Many researchers (Bedini, etc.) seem to think otherwise, and may use >permanent magnets glued together in opposition. This does not suppress >the EM expression of the fundemental expressions, it simply distorts the >fields. > Can "many" all be wrong. Do you have alternative explanation for what is happening, other than "it's not scalar"? I believe you have had this same discussion about bucking vs. bifilar with John Bedini ... and he has worked personally with Bearden. Did anyone win? >In some cases, it may also move the magnets along the B-H curve as >described by Greg Watson, but it does not produce scalar waves, as we >have no significant dV/dT in this case. > Again, where do you believe the excess energy is coming from? Logic tells us it must come from vectoral conversion of the field, which implies scalar potentials as mediator. If they're there, they can be tapped. >Also, scalar detectors simply ignore opposed magnets and bucking coils >while reacting with great sensitivity to bifilar cases. > And, you have perhaps noticed the detected field is axial with reference to the coil, even though vector cancellation is at right angles to it. What does this tell us? How is this different than the purely radial fields of bucking coils? >> Scalars may be polarized or diffuse, to varying degrees, the same as any >> ordinary electric or magnetic field. If diffuse, as in the case of a bucking >> coil interface, their vectors will be random and not impact upon the >> internal dynamics of the emitter. Simply an alternating compression and >> rarification of the time domain proportionate to the intensity of the field. > >If the potentials are still expressed as vector fields, how are scalars >produced under these conditions? > I was refering to the scalar vectors being diffuse, not the electric or magnetic ones. >I beleive that we are using the term 'scalars' for different phenomena. > I subscribe to the textbook definition of scalars. >What is your opinion of Bearden's position (as outlined in the Towards a >New Electromagnetics series) where he states that all EM expression must >be suppressed? > Of course, this is the ideal. However, even most bifiliar coils do not totally suppress EM. According to your present line of reasoning, these should not produce _any_ scalars. The only way I know to achieve _ total_ suppression is by using spherical geometry. Peter Nielsen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 24 19:19:34 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id TAA01178; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 19:19:03 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 19:19:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 12:17:39 +1000 Message-Id: <199708250217.MAA07050@nornet.nor.com.au> X-Sender: openway@pophost.nor.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Peter Nielsen Subject: Re: N Machine? Resent-Message-ID: <"6hXWW1.0.JI.KkE0q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/213 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >> resulting scalar potential would converge upon the axis, thereby stimulating >> emission of electrons, particularly if made of piezo ceramic. > >? Perhaps, it is interesting, but normal unipolar (homopolar) generator >was known from Faraday's disk produce radial separation of electrical >charges. Sorry, but your reply is out of the topic. > OK, I know a Faraday disk is an N machine without magnets. Now who stole my magnets? Peter Nielsen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 24 21:37:55 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id VAA13331; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 21:37:30 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 21:37:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 21:36:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708250436.VAA12052@denmark.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: mrandall@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Michael Randall Subject: Re: Parametrics & scalars. Resent-Message-ID: <"YMuLx2.0.CG3.7mG0q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/215 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 04:15 PM 8/24/97 -0700, Bob Shannon wrote: >Peter Nielsen wrote: >> >> >Bucking coils are not nearly as interesting as opposed bifilar coils! >> > >> >Bob Shannon >> >> Oh, you mean _bucking_ bifilars?? >> >> Does anyone else detect a slight, umm ... inconsistancy here? > >Sorry for the confusion Peter, > >Bifilar only describes the windings, not the direction of current flow. > >"Opposed bifilar" was intended to describe both the winding geometery >and the direction of current flow. > >Bifilar coils are not alwys used with opposed current flows. > >I'll try to be more clear in the future. Its nice to have a resident expert on scalar technology on line. :-) Regards, Michael Randall From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 24 22:52:35 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id WAA19754; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 22:52:11 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 22:52:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <34011BA9.A2309A09@microtronics.com.au> Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 15:14:09 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List Server Freenrg CC: List Server Vortex Subject: Tesla Patent 512,340 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"fr3nS3.0.Tq4.7sH0q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/216 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi All, The Tesla Patent 512,340 "Coil for Electro-Magnets" is now available on my site in the patent section. Thanks again to Fred Epps. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 24 23:22:08 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id XAA22075; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 23:21:54 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 23:21:54 -0700 (PDT) From: rvanspaa@eisa.net.au (Robin van Spaandonk) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: bucking bifilar scalars (and my daily babble) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 06:20:15 GMT Organization: Improving Message-ID: <3405161a.24380126@mail.eisa.net.au> References: <3.0.1.32.19970823090838.007548b4@palacenet.net> <3400BE58.7099@tiac.net> In-Reply-To: <3400BE58.7099@tiac.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"LTFOO3.0.pO5._HI0q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/217 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Sun, 24 Aug 1997 16:06:00 -0700, Bob Shannon wrote: [snip] >Assuming you are correct, and that these are in fact military >transmissions, those who have received these signals cannot >lawfully disclose their contents. Well at least they can't disclose the information content itself. However there is nothing wrong with stating that they know for a fact that the signal is of earthly origin, and contains modulated data. Once this is made clear, FE enthusiasts can stop looking, as this is useless for FE. > >This presents something of a problem for researchers interested >in the source of these transmissions. > >Because it is possible that these transmissions are military in >nature, I have chosen not to discuss specifics, nor to disclose >any information on the contents of these transmissions. Does this therefore mean that this is what you are getting? [snip] Robin van Spaandonk -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Check out: http://www.eisa.net.au/~rvanspaa for how CF depends on temperature. "....,then he should stop, and he will catch up..." PS - no SPAM thanks! -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 24 23:45:25 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id XAA11622; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 23:45:01 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 23:45:01 -0700 Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 23:44:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708250644.XAA25309@norway.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: TEP vs. blocking Oscillator Resent-Message-ID: <"7dAtm2.0.Rr2.idI0q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/218 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hello everyone, At 11:07 AM 8/24/97 -0700, Michael Randall wrote: >Why do you only get 5% power feedback? I wish I knew, then I'd fix it;-). It appears that most of the power 12V x 400 mA = 4.8 Watts. is dissipated by the transistor heat sink, by feeling how warm it gets. By using better transistors (higher frequency response), TIP31, I get oscillation waveforms much like Jean-Louis - a "squegging waveform" like a superregenerative oscillator - 3MHz which varies in amplitude at a 40 uS cycle rate. I think THAT change is the major reason for the difference in operation, the 2N3055's couldn't operate much above 40KHz. I still get~5% power feedback with a 1N4935 diode. By the way, I get better power feedback (10%) by charging another 12V battery in a inverting configuration. (+ terminal grounded, - terminal to diode from collector coil, L4). Obviously more experiments are required! >Did you change _any_ of Jean-Louis Naudin TEP V2 design? Yes, after first trying the V2.1 design as closely as possible. For example, I used #25AWG wire which is very close to 0.5mm diam for L1, L2. It is much easier to wind a bifilar coil if you use 2 wires of different colors. So far, my L4 isn't coupled to L1,L2. > >Maybe the ferrite rod for tuning was not the same size of Jean-Louis design >(it is unspecified). I have tried many types, from rods used in AM radio antennas, to crushed ferrites from a TV yoke packed in a paper tube. These were to get as much ferrite as possible inside the coils. The waveforms vary considerably with the ferrite positions, amount, etc. >Did you wind the L3 in the opposite direction of the L1 & L2..? No but I tried both polarities of L3.( both ends to base) I think that gives the same result as CW-CCW windings. Has anyone compared this? > >This is important due to myself and others who plan on building a unit. If >you can't build it according to the spec's shown then others will have the >same problem. By all means build one!! It is easy to build - 1 transistor + magnet wire for the V2.1, compared to, for example, a "scalar battery charger" or GRC! Then the testing is fun. If for no other reason, you can give me and others feedback. For example, the method of coupling from the bifilar coil to the base coil. Note in some of the ATG circuits, a capacitor is placed across one of the bifilar(or bucking) coils, so the currents are not approx. equal in the two. -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 24 23:50:17 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id XAA25041; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 23:50:00 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 23:50:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 23:48:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708250648.XAA02883@franc.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: szdanq@blue.ucdavis.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dan Quickert Subject: Re: bucking bifilar scalars Resent-Message-ID: <"dwFbf.0.A76.LiI0q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/219 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Thanks, Bob, for your elucidations. >This concept was suggested during the "differances in the fields" >thread long ago. Yes, I remember that discussion, but didn't recall its coming to a resolution. >EXperiments at many levels of scale all appear to show that there >is indeed a differance between bifilar and bucking coils, perhaps a >function of the curl of the field where is undergoes opposition. [snip] >Bifilar coils oppose the flux around each conductor before it has summed >into what I refer to as a macro-pole. Once the macropole has formed, >the field will no longer undergo vector superposition. > >The evidence lies in the net inductances of each case, near zero for the >bifilar coil, but quite high for the bucking coils. OK. Not to quibble, but, in the case of the two bucking coils, does net inductance *exactly* equal L1+L2? Or might it be a little less? That might be important to know. That leads to my intended follow-up question - at what level of scale does a bifilar arrangement begin to act 'bifilar'? That is, are there physical factors other than geometry that influence whether 'vector superposition' happens rather than flux distortion? Wire spacing? Wire diameter? If there *are* differences based on physical dimensions, where is the transition point between vector superposition and not? And if so, is the transition linear with respect to scale, or not? These are simply-tested questions... probably they've already been answered somewhere. Wish I could do the experiments myself, but haven't the means, so hope someone has already checked this out and will kindly answer. Dan From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 25 00:22:51 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id AAA16056; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 00:22:44 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 00:22:44 -0700 Message-Id: <199708250724.AAA17934@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: "Free Energy" , Subject: Re: Tesla Patent 512,340 Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 00:00:13 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"NU6942.0.nw3.2BJ0q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/220 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > > The Tesla Patent 512,340 "Coil for Electro-Magnets" is now available on > my site in the patent section. Thanks again to Fred Epps. No, thanks to you for giving me a place to put all these cool files :-) Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 25 01:57:04 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id BAA02617; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 01:56:52 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 01:56:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708250857.BAA27307@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: bucking bifilar scalars Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 00:35:25 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"M4jkG.0.oe.IZK0q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/221 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi Dan, Bob, and all, > > That leads to my intended follow-up question - at what level of scale does a > bifilar arrangement begin to act 'bifilar'? That is, are there physical > factors other than geometry that influence whether 'vector superposition' > happens rather than flux distortion? Wire spacing? Wire diameter? If there > *are* differences based on physical dimensions, where is the transition > point between vector superposition and not? And if so, is the transition > linear with respect to scale, or not? > > These are simply-tested questions... probably they've already been answered > somewhere. Wish I could do the experiments myself, but haven't the means, so > hope someone has already checked this out and will kindly answer. I'd like to put my two cents in that this is the most important question that can be asked, at least as far as the practicalities are concerned. Imagine two ideal windings in bucking configuration. Now start sliding them over each other. When does it go from "bucking" to "bifilar"? At what time and length scale does the quantitative difference become a qualitative one? Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 25 05:17:11 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id FAA13562; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 05:16:50 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 05:16:50 -0700 From: FLORESI1@westatpo.westat.com Date: Mon, 25 Aug 97 08:12:35 EDT Encoding: 19 Text Message-Id: <9707258725.AA872522157@westatpo.westat.com> To: mind-l@aquathought.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: questions about listservers Resent-Message-ID: <"VM_AU.0.kJ3.mUN0q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/222 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi there, I have a question not related to the list, but your help is very appreciated. I'm interesting in starting a discussion group through a list server for "alternative" methods such as Dr. Clark approach, Beck magnetic pulser, colloidal silver, etc. But as you know, I don't know a lot about list server. How do they work? Can I do it with the appropriate software? Or do I buy the service from somebody? Thank you for your help Ismael Flores floresi1@westat.com PS: Please don't add my name to any commercial list. Thank you From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 25 05:36:19 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id FAA25904; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 05:36:13 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 05:36:13 -0700 Message-ID: <34017AAA.79254432@microtronics.com.au> Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 21:59:30 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List Server Freenrg CC: List Server Vortex Subject: OU Patent List Now Online X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"w-qFe1.0.KK6.vmN0q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/223 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi All, I have updated my patent list with automatic links to the IBM server. Funny most of the magnetic motor patents images will not load. Anyone else having this problem? Some patent I have loaded before, will not now load!!!!! If you have any additions to the patent list, just let me know. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 25 08:09:10 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id IAA21094; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 08:07:54 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 08:07:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <01BCB170.3B508F00@reb1-p8.telepac.pt> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ant=F3nio_Vilela?= To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: RE: Scalar arcade game HERE! Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 16:00:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BCB170.3B539C40" Resent-Message-ID: <"Ogx5z2.0.U95.6_P0q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/224 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: ------ =_NextPart_000_01BCB170.3B539C40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ---------- From: Peter Nielsen Sent: Segunda-feira, 25 de Agosto de 1997 3:17 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Scalar arcade game HERE! >>> Scalars may be polarized or diffuse, to varying degrees, the same as = any >>> ordinary electric or magnetic field. If diffuse, as in the case of a = bucking >>> coil interface, their vectors will be random and not impact upon the >>> internal dynamics of the emitter. Simply an alternating compression = and >>> rarification of the time domain proportionate to the intensity of = the field. >> >>If the potentials are still expressed as vector fields, how are = scalars >>produced under these conditions? =20 >I was refering to the scalar vectors being diffuse, not the electric or >magnetic ones. What is a scalar vector? :-)))))) >>I beleive that we are using the term 'scalars' for different = phenomena. >> >I subscribe to the textbook definition of scalars. =20 Could you please transcribe this definition here? I am sorry I laughed, but I couldn=B4t resist. I, too, need some = clarification here. When you talk about "scalar", do you talk about the = E&M fields, or do you talk about the potentials that generate them? Or = do you use the term "scalar" to name a "physical phenomena" that could = loosely be described as the propagation of perturbations in a scalar = potential field (or any other "physical phenomena")? Since I ask for clarification, I think I should also clarify my words.=20 According to Classical Electromagnetism, there are two force-fields = (electric and magnetic) whose presence in space and time (or their = interrelation) is described by Maxwell Equations. Each of these is, of = course, a vector field.=20 In some cases (the dynamical variety of EM field) the fields are known = to propagate in space, in a self-sustained oscillation of Electric and = Magnetic fields, at the speed of light. Once again, this motion is = described by the Maxwell Equations.=20 The big difficulty of this is that Maxwell Equations are a set of = partial differential equations, relating the electric and magnetic = fields. They don=B4t give us directly the expressions for the magnetic = or electric fields, so we must solve them to obtain these expressions. = That is, we must find a couple of Electric and Magnetic fields, so that = they satisfy the equations. In the case of the propagating EM field, the = electric and the magnetic fields are, each, solutions of a wave = equation. To solve Maxwell Equations it is often useful to define a couple of = potential fields. Each of the E&M fields is then a function of these = potentials. The classical potentials are commonly known as the scalar = potential (phi) and the vector potential (A) or magnetic vector = potential.=20 In this case, the electric field would then be: E=3D-grad(phi)-dA/dt and the magnetic field: B=3Dcurl(A). It is common belief (strangely enough) that these potentials don=B4t = have physical significance, but are mere mathematical artifacts. Whittaker has shown in a 1904 paper, that these potentials could be = replaced by a set of two other potentials, both scalar. So when you speak of scalars, do you mean any of this? Or is it = something else? if it is something else then what is it? Does it have a = mathematical existence? any physical model? Thank you. 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Mon, 25 Aug 1997 09:01:28 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 09:01:28 -0700 Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 09:01:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708251601.JAA04553@norway.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: mrandall@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Michael Randall Subject: Re: TEP vs. blocking Oscillator Resent-Message-ID: <"h_QFe3.0.s15.MnQ0q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/225 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi Dave and everyone, >At 11:07 AM 8/24/97 -0700, Michael Randall wrote: > >>Why do you only get 5% power feedback? > >I wish I knew, then I'd fix it;-). It appears that most of the power 12V x >400 mA = 4.8 Watts. is dissipated >by the transistor heat sink, by feeling how warm it gets. Ok. I've read that people tapping ZPE or aether get a cooling of the transistor at ou operation. By using better >transistors (higher frequency response), TIP31, I get oscillation waveforms >much like Jean-Louis - a "squegging waveform" like a >superregenerative oscillator - 3MHz which varies in amplitude at a 40 uS >cycle rate. I think THAT change is the major reason for the difference in >operation, the 2N3055's couldn't operate much above 40KHz. I still get~5% >power feedback with a 1N4935 diode. By the way, I get better power feedback >(10%) by charging another 12V battery in a inverting configuration. (+ >terminal grounded, - terminal to diode from collector coil, L4). Obviously >more experiments are required! Yes in TEP V3.0 Jean-Louis used the 2N3055 and in V2.1 the 2N5301. >>Did you change _any_ of Jean-Louis Naudin TEP V2 design? >Yes, after first trying the V2.1 design as closely as possible. For example, >I used #25AWG wire which is very close to 0.5mm diam for L1, L2. It is much >easier to wind a bifilar coil if you use 2 wires of different colors. So >far, my L4 isn't coupled to L1,L2. Is there a problem in coupling the L4 to L1-L3? Size of the L4 form wouldn't slide over L1-L3? >>Maybe the ferrite rod for tuning was not the same size of Jean-Louis design >>(it is unspecified). >I have tried many types, from rods used in AM radio antennas, to crushed >ferrites from a TV yoke packed in a paper tube. These were to get as much >ferrite as possible inside the coils. The waveforms vary considerably with >the ferrite positions, amount, etc. > >>Did you wind the L3 in the opposite direction of the L1 & L2..? No but I >tried both polarities of L3.( both ends to base) I think that gives the same >result as CW-CCW windings. Has anyone compared this? >> >>This is important due to myself and others who plan on building a unit. If >>you can't build it according to the spec's shown then others will have the >>same problem. > By all means build one!! It is easy to build - 1 transistor + magnet wire >for the V2.1, compared to, for example, a "scalar battery charger" or GRC! >Then the testing is fun. If for no other reason, you can give me and others >feedback. For example, the method of coupling from the bifilar coil >to the base coil. Note in some of the ATG circuits, a capacitor is placed across >one of the bifilar(or bucking) coils, so the currents are not approx. equal in >the two. > >-Dave Thanks for the feedback. Yes this design is alot easier than most and that is what got my attention along with the scope pictures of Jean-Louis that looked like it could go ou. And there are still many methods and ways, like ATG circuits, to modify the basic circuit to make it work :-) Regards, Michael Randall From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 25 10:27:37 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id KAA17065; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 10:27:33 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 10:27:33 -0700 Message-Id: <199708251729.KAA14487@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: "Free Energy" Subject: Interesting report Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 10:24:18 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"6j78t3.0.XA4.32S0q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/226 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi folks, There is an interesting report on the recent Ether conference on the INE website. The URL is: http://www.padrak.com/ine/NEN_5_4_1.html There are a number of interesting experiments described which are related to the cyclical and seasonal effects I talked about in my recent post "Detectors- what are they detecting?". Although many of the effects appear to be casued by the gravitational influence of the sun and moon, it should be pointed out that, like in Allais's similar experiments, the efffects are many orders of magnitude too large to be caused by the DIRECT gravitational influence. There are also references to mass change effects due to heating and cooling. I have some papers from before the turn of the century that showed anomalous mass changes while heating or cooling were going on. These effects may have been artifacts, but Charles' Brushes theory of gravity also predicts this. Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 25 11:16:45 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id LAA25310; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 11:16:32 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 11:16:32 -0700 Message-ID: <01BCB18A.C9210980@reb1-p8.telepac.pt> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ant=F3nio_Vilela?= To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: RE: Newman 2-coil experiment Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 19:11:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <"JQmCL3.0.NB6.-lS0q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/227 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hello Bill and everyone. I read with interest your questions about this "Newman theory", so here = goes my view. (please notice that your message is the only info I have on this = theory.) > How to judge which of the above is correct? Assuming that only one of them is correct and that they don=B4t hold any = sort of equivalence, my instinct is to consider Ampere=B4s theory = correct. Further thought will reveal why. In fact, the fundament of = Ampere=B4s theory has nothing to do with turns or currents, but only = that magnetic field is a direct cause of the displacement of electrical = charge. It is also known that magnetic fields are a consequence of = electric field variations in time, but that does not concern us now.=20 That this is so, is probably very simple to show, with or without = experimentation. I think you made your point with your constant-length = constant-mass experiment, so I will try other approaches. 1) Take any length of wire with a temperature dependent resistance. = Build a coil of any geometry. Apply a constant-voltage supply to it and = measure the field at room temperature. Then heat the coil in an oven = (not microwave though :-)) and measure the field while it=B4s hot. You = could also cool it in a refrigerator, of course. Take your conclusions.=20 2) As similar to an extreme case of the previous, consider a = superconducting coil. The point is that you must have charge displacement (meaning current) to = get magnetic field, not voltage. To demonstrate that, take an electron = valve (diode case). If you apply a high voltage between anode and = cathode, there won=B4t be flow (and no magnetic field). As soon as you = heat the cathode, current will begin to flow thus causing a magnetic = field. The more you heat the cathode (up to a point, of course) the more = current will flow and the more intense will be the magnetic field around = it. No voltage variations, no mass increase (ideally no mass at all), = nothing. Greetings, AV From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 25 11:38:18 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id LAA29569; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 11:38:12 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 11:38:12 -0700 X-Sender: josephnewman@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 13:41:55 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: RE: Newman 2-coil experiment Resent-Message-ID: <"522VN3.0.rD7.I4T0q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/228 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > Hello Bill and everyone. > >I read with interest your questions about this "Newman theory", so here >goes my view. >(please notice that your message is the only info I have on this theory.) > >> How to judge which of the above is correct? > >Assuming that only one of them is correct and that they don=B4t hold any >sort of equivalence, my instinct is to consider Ampere=B4s theory correct. >Further thought will reveal why. In fact, the fundament of Ampere=B4s theor= y >has nothing to do with turns or currents, but only that magnetic field is >a direct cause of the displacement of electrical charge. It is also known >that magnetic fields are a consequence of electric field variations in >time, but that does not concern us now. In the case of a permanent magnet I am assuming that you would agree that the immediate source of the magnetic field produced are the aligned atomic domains within the magnetic material. And the problem, as indicated earlier, is with Oersted's conclusion. > >That this is so, is probably very simple to show, with or without >experimentation. I think you made your point with your constant-length >constant-mass experiment, so I will try other approaches. > >1) Take any length of wire with a temperature dependent resistance. Build >a coil of any geometry. Apply a constant-voltage supply to it and measure >the field at room temperature. Then heat the coil in an oven (not >microwave though :-)) and measure the field while it=B4s hot. You could als= o >cool it in a refrigerator, of course. Take your conclusions. Obviously the heating of the wire will affect the alignment of the atomic domains which will affect the strength of the magnetic field that such domains are capable of generating when subjected to voltage. > >2) As similar to an extreme case of the previous, consider a >superconducting coil. > >The point is that you must have charge displacement (meaning current) to >get magnetic field, not voltage. To demonstrate that, take an electron >valve (diode case). If you apply a high voltage between anode and cathode, >there won=B4t be flow (and no magnetic field). As soon as you heat the >cathode, current will begin to flow thus causing a magnetic field. The >more you heat the cathode (up to a point, of course) the more current will >flow and the more intense will be the magnetic field around it. No voltage >variations, no mass increase (ideally no mass at all), nothing. The point of the discussion has been specifically regarding copper coils and their associated magnetic fields. > >Greetings, >AV Best regards, Evan Soule' From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 25 13:02:19 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id NAA09911; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 13:02:01 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 13:02:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3401E057.222@ctv.es> Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 21:43:19 +0200 From: Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga Reply-To: vramos@ctv.es X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: N Machine? References: <199708250217.MAA07050@nornet.nor.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"UbfNZ1.0.mQ2.sIU0q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/229 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Peter Nielsen wrote: > > >> resulting scalar potential would converge upon the axis, thereby stimulating > >> emission of electrons, particularly if made of piezo ceramic. > > > >? Perhaps, it is interesting, but normal unipolar (homopolar) generator > >was known from Faraday's disk produce radial separation of electrical > >charges. Sorry, but your reply is out of the topic. > > > > OK, I know a Faraday disk is an N machine without magnets. Now who stole my > magnets? > > Peter Nielsen Peter The Faraday disk have a fixed horseshoe magnet, and the disk pass through it. Vicente -- Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga E-mail: vramos@ctv.es Home Page: http://www.ctv.es/USERS/vramos/home.htm Burriana (Castellon) SPAIN From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 25 13:32:15 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id NAA20883; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 13:32:09 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 13:32:09 -0700 Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 13:31:54 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: World 'Muse' Update! (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"xX0_82.0.565.6lU0q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/230 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: .....................uuuu / oo \ uuuu........,............................. William Beaty voice:206-781-3320 bbs:206-789-0775 cserv:71241,3623 EE/Programmer/Science exhibit designer http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/ Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com SCIENCE HOBBYIST web page ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 12:09:10 -0800 From: "M.Twain" To: assis@ifi.unicamp.br, pgb@padrak.com, billb@eskimo.com, Subject: World 'Muse' Update! 25 August 1997, Silicon Valley CA World-Friend (Mundo Amigo), The 1997 issue of the RAPR, on the subject of the "aenertial Nature of the Aether", is in final composition. Half of the aether physics-and-technology issue will be devoted to WebLinks. It will be issued in both hardcopy and html. If you have a Site (or a revised address) which you think should be included, please send a note. [Also, send me any email lists you think I should use ...] My new public email address is: [muse@mediacity.com]. To view previous issues of the RAPR (html), see the Links at the bottom of: [http://www.mediacity.com/~muse/mirror.html], where the new RAPR will soon be posted. You can also request hardcopy RAPR -- but send stamps or something. To facilitate future 'muse'-&-news-service distribution in the natural philosophy spectrum (of the Global Renaissance!) I have added your email address to one of a dozen small lists -- each of which has about fifty individuals listed. Please let me know how often you wish to receive my heretical missives (when available): 1) All, 2) Some, 3) Specials only. [Or 'not at all, remove from list'.] My apologies to those who have gotten on one of my lists, against their wishes. ********** In October 1997 I will be relocating, for an indeterminate period, to New Zealand -- where I will be sojourning with nature and apprenticing with Bruce DePalma. For delivery after October 1st 1997, please address all correspondence to: Millennium Twain, c/o the DePalma Institute, PO Box 21-972, Henderson, West Auckland, New Zealand. ********** Approximately thirty individuals have found time to contribute papers or letters, or other significant assistance, to the Global Aether Workshop collaboration in process [http://www.mediacity.com/~muse/workshop.html]. Jim Hodges (Australia) and I are still looking for additional global facilitators, particularly in Asia and Latin America. If you know of any internet contacts in the Southern Hemisphere, or discover them in the future, please let me know. Also, if you haven't already, your contributions on the "nature and structure of the aether" will be welcomed any time. ********** Lastly; does anyone have any further news on the Marinov suicide cover-up? [He jumped off the Graz University building -- the University hushed it up. Georges Bourbaki suspects it was budget-cut related.] Are Marinov's writings being made available? [Not destroyed?] Who is distributing them? Any related news I should spread to the four corners? Via the five aethers? an end to covert physics, and the patriarchs' war against nature!! Millennium Twain as Krishna said, "I rejoice not in your pain; I celebrate only your downfall ..." From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 25 16:03:38 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id QAA23216; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 16:03:31 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 16:03:31 -0700 Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 16:03:22 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Hones didn't invent levitron????! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"qQP33.0.eg5.1zW0q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/231 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: See a veeeery interesting article at: http://www.levitron.com/expose.html .....................uuuu / oo \ uuuu........,............................. William Beaty voice:206-781-3320 bbs:206-789-0775 cserv:71241,3623 EE/Programmer/Science exhibit designer http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/ Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com SCIENCE HOBBYIST web page From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 25 17:20:35 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id RAA10883; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 17:20:26 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 17:20:26 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970825201644.0085bd40@inforamp.net> X-Sender: quinney@inforamp.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) X-Priority: 2 (High) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 20:16:47 -0400 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Quinney Subject: Mass Change (was Re: Interesting report) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"VKb4F.0.uf2.95Y0q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/232 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 10:24 AM 8/25/97 -0700, you wrote: > > There are also references to mass change effects due to heating and >cooling. I have some papers from before the turn of the century that >showed anomalous mass changes while heating or cooling were going on. >These effects may have been artifacts, but Charles' Brushes theory of >gravity also predicts this. > > >Fred Hi Fred; Could you reference the book or paper and the author(s) of the "Mass Change while heating or cooling"? Did they, by any chance, also do any 'change of state' experiments? I'm wondering if I have the same material. (rare). Colin Quinney From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 25 18:35:46 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id SAA29902; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 18:35:06 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 18:35:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708260135.SAA27624@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: Mass Change (was Re: Interesting report) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 18:39:12 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"oJuTl1.0.7J7.5BZ0q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/233 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi Colin, All, The papers I have are: Experimental Investigation As To Dependence Of Gravity On Temperature L. Southerns (Unfortunately I did not record the ref on this one- it is soon after the one below and in the same journal) An Experiment With The Balance To Find If Change Of Temperature Has Any Effect On Weight J.H Poynting, Percy Phillips Roy. Soc. Proc. A V.26, Sep. 13, 1905 Although both experiments which were constructed very differently showed large changes in weight with temperature, the effects lasted only while temperatures were changing, so the results were considered null. In addition there were many sources of experimental error-- but there was still a possibility of something there. No, no change of state experiments. What do you have? Fred > > Could you reference the book or paper and the author(s) of the "Mass Change > while heating or cooling"? Did they, by any chance, also do any 'change of > state' experiments? I'm wondering if I have the same material. (rare). From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 25 18:41:05 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id SAA27500; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 18:40:57 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 18:40:57 -0700 Message-Id: <199708260142.SAA12354@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: "Free Energy" , Subject: Re: Tesla Patent 512,340 Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 18:47:05 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"N7VHF2.0.Tj6.dGZ0q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/234 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi Robin, > You might get interesting results if you put the coil in a water bath > (keep voltage fairly low). The dielectric constant of the water can > multiply the inter-winding capacity of the coil considerably, thus > lowering the frequency to a range that is more easily managed. This is an interesting suggestion that could be expanded to the use of mineral oil (as I recall, that was used in Telas big capacitors) and could be applied to all the experiments with bifilar and unusual coil types. Does anyone know the best ways to REDUCE interwinding capacitance in coils? I suspect what is really going on in these coils is reception of production of Maxwellian faster than light waves. Obviously if you reduce L and C far enough you move into this territory, witness the experiments with Milne and Obelensky with other types of noninductive arrangements (wouldn't call them coils) that showed electrical impulses at simultaneity, about 100c, 2c, and c. Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 25 19:30:04 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id TAA03621; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 19:29:57 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 19:29:57 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970825202621.006f4fec@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 20:26:21 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: Re: Tesla Patent 512,340 In-Reply-To: <199708260142.SAA12354@mail1.halcyon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"kGMJA2.0.Uu.Z-Z0q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/235 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Fred wrote: >Does anyone know the best ways to REDUCE interwinding capacitance in coils? Yes. 1) Segment the winding into several sections. 2) Wind the segments in "universal" fashion, it's a criss-cross, self-supporting method as you've probably seen used for RF chokes. 3) Wind with a decreasing diameter as you progress. If you must layer wind, don't back wind...return the end of a layer to the beginning side of the layer just completed, before beginning to wind the subsequent layer. This doesn't make for efficient winding window utilization though. I have a coil taken from a Measurements Inc. model59 grid dip meter which follows one of Tesla's patents. The coil is a single layer that forms a cone...it doesn't get any better than that. Unless... maybe if you interleaved a non-conductor like nylon thread with the magnet wire...? Best Regards, JD ------------------------------------------------------------ "Those who do not know the torment of the unknown cannot have the joy of discovery." -Claude Bernard. E-mail to: mules@palacenet.net ------------------------------------------------------------ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 25 19:56:12 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id TAA11243; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 19:54:55 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 19:54:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970825224928.00817a00@inforamp.net> X-Sender: quinney@inforamp.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 22:49:56 -0400 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Quinney Subject: Re: Mass Change (was Re: Interesting report) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"z_n0b1.0.Zl2.wLa0q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/236 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi Fred, All; I came across this book in an old book store about 5 years ago. The author's theories and experiments went against the current theories of that time and I think they had to get this material published in some kind of Vanity Press. Has anybody who reads historical science heard of either of these chaps before? "Some Unrecognized Laws of Nature" 'An Inquiry into the Causes of Physical Phenomena with Special Reference to Gravitation', by Ignatius Singer and Lewis H. Berens. Pub. John Murray, London, 1897. p.383.. "...a platinum crucible after having been heated and just allowed to cool, so as to be no longer sensible to the touch, still weighs less, if immediately placed on the balance, than its original weight; and it will often take many minutes until the balance will again assume its normal position..." p.384.."Another experiment was made as follows. A glass tube sealed at one end was contracted in the middle. In the lower portion were placed about 10 cc of water, and in the upper portion a stick of dry potassium hydrate of about an equal weight, and the tube was sealed. After cooling, the tube was weighed and then turned upside down, so that the water could flow on to the potassium hydrate. The stick of potassium hydrate partially dissolved, and the solution crystallized. On weighing it was found to be lighter by about 20 mgr. On shaking the glass the crystals partially redissolved, and the tube became heavier; but after some time the crystals reformed, and the tube weighed again less" There was no mention of total weight neither before nor after. However, if 20 mgr. 100 years ago represents 20 mg. of today, this might be a significant change in total weight. It would depend on the weight of the glass tube. ..and also from the web site (noted below).. THE FIRST AETHER CONFERENCE By Hal Fox, Editor. From: NEN, Vol. 5, No. 4, August 1997, pp. 1-4 "A superconductor and a small aluminum mass is placed on a balance beam. The assembly is lowered into liquid nitrogen. The balance beam deflects because the superconductor is heavier than the aluminum. Then after five seconds, the balance beam takes another dip because the superconductor has changed its condition. The superconductor is deflected downward, therefore, it must be losing weight." (no reference to the author of this experiment was cited, that I could see.) There are two phenomena here, both of which have the same results. What is the common denominator? Did the salt solution heat up? Colin Quinney. At 06:39 PM 8/25/97 -0700, Fred wrote: >Hi Colin, All, > > The papers I have are: > >Experimental Investigation As To Dependence Of Gravity On Temperature >L. Southerns >(Unfortunately I did not record the ref on this one- it is soon after the >one below and in the same journal) > >An Experiment With The Balance To Find If Change Of Temperature Has Any >Effect On Weight >J.H Poynting, Percy Phillips >Roy. Soc. Proc. A V.26, Sep. 13, 1905 > >Although both experiments which were constructed very differently showed >large changes in weight with temperature, the effects lasted only while >temperatures were changing, so the results were considered null. In >addition there were many sources of experimental error-- but there was >still a possibility of something there. > >No, no change of state experiments. What do you have? > >Fred > > >> >> Could you reference the book or paper and the author(s) of the "Mass >Change >> while heating or cooling"? Did they, by any chance, also do any 'change >of >> state' experiments? I'm wondering if I have the same material. (rare). > > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 25 20:02:21 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id UAA09939; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 20:02:00 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 20:02:00 -0700 Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 13:01:39 +1000 Message-Id: <199708260301.NAA00866@nornet.nor.com.au> X-Sender: openway@pophost.nor.com.au (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Peter Nielsen Subject: Re: bucking bifilar scalars Resent-Message-ID: <"svRn8.0.sQ2.aSa0q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/237 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >That leads to my intended follow-up question - at what level of scale does a >bifilar arrangement begin to act 'bifilar'? That is, are there physical >factors other than geometry that influence whether 'vector superposition' >happens rather than flux distortion? Wire spacing? Wire diameter? If there >*are* differences based on physical dimensions, where is the transition >point between vector superposition and not? And if so, is the transition >linear with respect to scale, or not? > >Dan > >I'd like to put my two cents in that this is the most important question >that can be asked, at least as far as the practicalities are concerned. >Imagine two ideal windings in bucking configuration. Now start sliding >them over each other. When does it go from "bucking" to "bifilar"? > >At what time and length scale does the quantitative difference become a >qualitative one? > >Fred > This is the point I have been trying to clarify. How can conversion of EM to scalar be black or white? To some degree, there must be a graduated transition in respective field strength. This can be easily measured. Modulating this zone, to resonate the ambient scalar field with the test circuit, might yield the effects we are looking for. Peter Nielsen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 25 20:02:26 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id UAA10009; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 20:02:10 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 20:02:10 -0700 Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 13:01:44 +1000 Message-Id: <199708260301.NAA00870@nornet.nor.com.au> X-Sender: openway@pophost.nor.com.au (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Peter Nielsen Subject: RE: Scalar arcade game HERE! Resent-Message-ID: <"I-7kl1.0.9R2.cSa0q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/238 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >>I was refering to the scalar vectors being diffuse, not the electric or >>magnetic ones. > >What is a scalar vector? :-)))))) > The direction of intensity in a complex scalar field. >>I subscribe to the textbook definition of scalars. > >Could you please transcribe this definition here? > Do you want the textbook with the dolphin on the cover, or the one with the UFO? Peter Nielsen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 25 20:52:10 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id UAA17950; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 20:51:47 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 20:51:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: rmuha@mail Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199708260135.SAA27624@mail1.halcyon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 23:49:59 -0400 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: ralph muha Subject: Re: Mass Change (was Re: Interesting report) Cc: Resent-Message-ID: <"Ph_RI3.0.LO4.GBb0q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/239 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 9:39 PM -0400 8/25/97, Fred Epps wrote: >[...] > >Although both experiments which were constructed very differently showed >large changes in weight with temperature, the effects lasted only while >temperatures were changing, so the results were considered null. In >addition there were many sources of experimental error-- but there was >still a possibility of something there. I recently came across a bunch of interesting papers by R.L. Collins (a retired physics prof) on the APS eprint server. Here is a quote from "Is Gravity Electromagnetic?" (4/15/97) "The most disturbing result of this study is that gravity may not turn out to be universal. That is, big "G" may depend on the elements involved and even on temperature. Experiments to measure G are inherently difficult because the forces available are tiny, and so one normally uses lead for the spheres of a Cavendish experiment. Extension of these studies to include other substances is highly desireable." r From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 25 21:22:14 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id VAA22605; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 21:21:53 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 21:21:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <34028291.13F8@tiac.net> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 00:15:29 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Scalar arcade game HERE! References: <199708250217.MAA07055@nornet.nor.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"hARz2.0.6X5.Vdb0q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/240 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Peter Nielsen wrote: > > >It is true that scalars are always present in all EM waves, as > >descvribed by Bearden and supported by Whittaker, but Bearden appears to > >be correct in that > >all EM expressions of the opposed potentials must be suppressed to yeild > >pure scalars. > > > > I agree fully, for PURE scalars. However, the point I am trying to make is > that imperfect suppression results in "imperfect", but usable, results. The > question is whether _any_ energy is being translated out of the contributing > fields. I feel it is important to either confirm or discount this, as it > influences our interpretation of FE devices. My question is are these results vector electromagnetic fields, or scalars? Are you suggesting that we get some combination of both? > >Many researchers (Bedini, etc.) seem to think otherwise, and may use > >permanent magnets glued together in opposition. This does not suppress > >the EM expression of the fundemental expressions, it simply distorts the > >fields. > > Can "many" all be wrong. Do you have alternative explanation for what is > happening, other than "it's not scalar"? I believe you have had this same > discussion about bucking vs. bifilar with John Bedini ... and he has worked > personally with Bearden. Did anyone win? Yes, many can be wrong, just as I can be wrong. Both cases have happened before. >From my discussions with Bearden, its not clear to what extent Bearden and Bedini have worked together. Bearden has denied direct experimental experiance in the past, but this may be outdated information. Can you explain why bucking coils do not produce the same results in scalar detectors as bifilar coils if some fraction of the energy is translated into a scalar form? Did anyone win? No, everyone lost. In my conservations with John Bedini, we reached an impasse, in that John and I could not move past our differences in terminology, and the huge differences in our understandings and interpretations of experimental behaviors. I had wised to explore these diffences in order to better understand his perspective, but this was not practical. > >In some cases, it may also move the magnets along the B-H curve as > >described by Greg Watson, but it does not produce scalar waves, as we > >have no significant dV/dT in this case. > > Again, where do you believe the excess energy is coming from? Logic tells us > it must come from vectoral conversion of the field, which implies scalar > potentials as mediator. If they're there, they can be tapped. Exactly what excess energy are you refering to? Is this a reference to Bedini's work? > >Also, scalar detectors simply ignore opposed magnets and bucking coils > >while reacting with great sensitivity to bifilar cases. > > And, you have perhaps noticed the detected field is axial with reference to > the coil, even though vector cancellation is at right angles to it. What > does this tell us? How is this different than the purely radial fields of > bucking coils? I have not noticed this behavior. The scalar products of EM translation have rather odd modes of 'propogation', if we can call action at a distance propogation. I would prefer not to use the word 'propogation' in the scalar case. Good scalar detectors detect the products of bifilar coils at all angles. > >> Scalars may be polarized or diffuse, to varying degrees, the same as any > >> ordinary electric or magnetic field. If diffuse, as in the case of a bucking > >> coil interface, their vectors will be random and not impact upon the > >> internal dynamics of the emitter. Simply an alternating compression and > >> rarification of the time domain proportionate to the intensity of the field. > > > >If the potentials are still expressed as vector fields, how are scalars > >produced under these conditions? > > > > I was refering to the scalar vectors being diffuse, not the electric or > magnetic ones. Scalar vectors in an oxymoron. How can you polarize something with no vector? This does not fit into my current understanding. Can you expand on this? > >I beleive that we are using the term 'scalars' for different phenomena. > > > > I subscribe to the textbook definition of scalars. But the 'textbook' definition of a scalar (such as temprature) lacks a vector, so I still do not understand the term 'scalar vector', or the concept of a polarized scalar. > >What is your opinion of Bearden's position (as outlined in the Towards a > >New Electromagnetics series) where he states that all EM expression must > >be suppressed? > > Of course, this is the ideal. However, even most bifiliar coils do not > totally suppress EM. According to your present line of reasoning, these > should not produce _any_ scalars. The only way I know to achieve _ total_ > suppression is by using spherical geometry. Hmmm, in the bucking coil case, the magnetic flux in conserved, but in the bifilar case, this is not the case at all. It is true that there is some EM left, but only that due to stray inductance. This is VERY different from the bucking coil arangement. My line of thinking is simply that this difference is significant in the production of scalars. This seems to be supported by experimental evidence. All EM expression can be fully suppressed by the use of superconducting shielding, as in the "Quantum Interference and the Aharnove Bohm Effect" article in Scientific American some years back. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 25 22:15:30 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id WAA31830; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 22:15:22 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 22:15:22 -0700 Message-ID: <34028F57.6275@tiac.net> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 01:09:59 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: MFergerson@aol.com CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: loosing your marbles References: <970825103139_546636306@emout02.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"iVGU03.0.Fn7.fPc0q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/241 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: MFergerson@aol.com wrote: > > B. Shannon asked what type of receiver I was using with opposed magnets as > an antenna...(I think). OK, very simple, basically the transmitter was the > coil wrapped on the magnets, in series with a small (Radio Shack) motor and a > pair of D-cells, all on a single piece of perfboard. The motor provided the > pulses. If this is the Bedini Clarifier you refer to, I know no better- I > just followed a circuit I saw 'someplace'. The 'receiver' I cobbled up was a > similar (identical as I could build) coil-magnet setup, fed directly to an > oscilloscope (hi-Z input). I saw pulses nearly identical to the commutator > pulses from the motor. Driving the coil with sinewaves (from a swept AF > oscillator) gave no discernable output at the scope. I assume the sine waves had no significant dV/Dt, that is they were rather low in frequency and voltage. Is this correct? > > I don't know if it it significant, but the original design I refer to > claimed precise alignment was essential (pencil beam, I believe it said)- in > my experience a misalignment of a few degrees (15 or so) over a range of 20 > feet made no difference. Also the 'beam' was detectable from both 'sides' of > the thing, as per the original description. Many of Bednini's claims for this device end up this way. > > You said: > > >In my opinion, this is > >no scalar device by a long shot! Opposed PM poles to not cancel ANY > >flux at all, they simply distort the fields while flux is conserved. > > I agree, no flux is cancelled, but what I think is happening here is a > 'shearing' action by the coil's field on the PM fields. This generates > something that propagates to the receiver-if not scalar, then what? The fast rise times of the noise from the motors brushes cause significant EMI. You may find that the orientation of the magnets has no effect on the behavior of this device what so ever. > Incidentally, the thing, when put into a metal box with no holes produced no > noticeable noise on an AM radio sitting nearby, but did when the box was not > present (commutator noise, I suspect). Bingo, its pure EM radiation. Your AM radio should totally ignore a true scalar product. > The receiver didn't show much of anything above noise level without the > 'transmitter' running-I can't tell whether this means it is 'blind' to vector > EM, or just very insensitive. If it operates correctly while tuned to a radio station, then its just not all that sensitive, or had some form of ANL, Automatic Noise Limiter, a common function for CB and aircraft band receivers. > Sensibly neglecting the irrelevant philosophical (bio/tech) angles as you > indicate, I definitely agree that: > > >But based on my observations of scalar phenomena, we have every reason > >to beleive that working over unity technology will fit the same pattern > >that all known forms of energy production technology seem to have > >followed. > >The higher the technology used, the greater the environmental impact. > > As somebody once said, TANSTAAFL (there ain't no such thing as a free > lunch). > I agree, 'free' energy is only SO free- we still gotta build the hardware > (and watch out for the 'exhaust'). Reasonable advise! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 25 22:37:33 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id WAA01799; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 22:37:09 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 22:37:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <34029437.54C1@tiac.net> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 01:30:47 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: bucking bifilar scalars References: <199708260301.NAA00866@nornet.nor.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"u_qAS.0.zR.3kc0q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/242 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Peter Nielsen wrote: > > >That leads to my intended follow-up question - at what level of scale does a > >bifilar arrangement begin to act 'bifilar'? That is, are there physical > >factors other than geometry that influence whether 'vector superposition' > >happens rather than flux distortion? Wire spacing? Wire diameter? If there > >*are* differences based on physical dimensions, where is the transition > >point between vector superposition and not? And if so, is the transition > >linear with respect to scale, or not? > > > >Dan > > > > >I'd like to put my two cents in that this is the most important question > >that can be asked, at least as far as the practicalities are concerned. > >Imagine two ideal windings in bucking configuration. Now start sliding > >them over each other. When does it go from "bucking" to "bifilar"? > > > >At what time and length scale does the quantitative difference become a > >qualitative one? > > > >Fred > > > > This is the point I have been trying to clarify. How can conversion of EM to > scalar be black or white? To some degree, there must be a graduated > transition in respective field strength. This can be easily measured. > Modulating this zone, to resonate the ambient scalar field with the test > circuit, might yield the effects we are looking for. > > Peter Nielsen I do not beleive that this is a matter of scale at all. Bucking coils do not behave like bifilar coils, as Jean-Louis has shown by direct experiment. This difference is black and white. Why must there be a "a graduated transition in respective field strength"? This is not supported by the avaiable data, nor does it fit current theory. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 25 22:41:52 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id WAA02289; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 22:41:28 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 22:41:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <34029539.B7@tiac.net> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 01:35:05 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Scalar arcade game HERE! References: <199708260301.NAA00870@nornet.nor.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"KFS9H2.0.fZ.4oc0q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/243 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Peter Nielsen wrote: > > >>I was refering to the scalar vectors being diffuse, not the electric or > >>magnetic ones. > > > >What is a scalar vector? :-)))))) > > > > The direction of intensity in a complex scalar field. Scalars by definition do not have direction. What direction does temprature have? Temprature is a scalar value according to the textbook definition. Clearly we are not using th5s term to describe the same things Peter. > >>I subscribe to the textbook definition of scalars. > > > >Could you please transcribe this definition here? > > > > Do you want the textbook with the dolphin on the cover, or the one with the UFO? Either give us both, or pick the one of your choice! A scalar has no direction, which makes descriptions of "laser like" beams rather questionable. Only vectors have direction. Game over. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 26 00:11:29 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id AAA11106; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 00:10:58 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 00:10:58 -0700 Message-Id: <199708260712.AAA09681@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: bucking bifilar scalars Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 00:16:29 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"lzrDk2.0.Mj2.16e0q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/244 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi Bob, all, > I do not beleive that this is a matter of scale at all. > > Bucking coils do not behave like bifilar coils, as Jean-Louis has shown > by direct experiment. Agreed (actually never disagreed, just didn't get the definitions). > > This difference is black and white. Why must there be a "a graduated > transition in respective field strength"? Am I wrong in thinking that the physical difference between a bucking coil and a "bifilar" coil is the distance between the wires in the two coils? If I'm wrong, I really am confused. If I'm right, then there must be a distance (presumably when the wires are very close together) where the scalars predominate or are the only output. (Note I am not discussing field strengths here, ONLY proximity.) If there is a point where scalars predominate or are the only output, then there must either be: 1) A distance where the product of the coil is mixed scalars and vectors. OR 2) A radical discontinuity where all vector production stops and all scalar production begins. If we were to take the sliding coil arrangement I described before and measure its inductance at all points between total separation and total overlap, some sort of curve would result. This curve would be either continuous or discontinuous. If I have a box and I say there are scalars inside the box, can I also say there are vectors (EM waves/particles) in the box? If the two are interconvertible and can exist in the same space, then it seems necessary to say that there can be different proportions of the two "things" in one "place". Note I am not defining what the things ARE. Am I being obtuse? Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 26 01:04:03 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id BAA19518; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 01:03:56 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 01:03:56 -0700 Message-Id: <199708260805.BAA27252@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: Mass Change (was Re: Interesting report) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 01:09:30 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"7ShzI2.0.tm4.hte0q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/245 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi Colin, You post was VERY interesting! > I came across this book in an old book store about 5 years ago. The > author's theories and experiments went against the current theories of that > time and I think they had to get this material published in some kind of > Vanity Press. Has anybody who reads historical science heard of either of > these chaps before? > > "Some Unrecognized Laws of Nature" 'An Inquiry into the Causes of Physical > Phenomena with Special Reference to Gravitation', by Ignatius Singer and > Lewis H. Berens. Pub. John Murray, London, 1897. I don't think it's a vanity press, seems to me I recall a big publisher by that name...Are there other experiments in this book? I wonder if it would be possible for you to photocopy it and mail it to me (I will pay for this of course). There seems to be a number of obscure books like this, I recently ran across one in the local library called "New Views Of Time Space And Matter" (author forgotten) which describes the author's experiments putting single magnetic "force lines" through small apertures, along chosen pathways, reflected off surfaces. Interestingly he mentions Bismuth as a material in which magnetic impulses may travel faster than light. > p.383.. "...a platinum crucible after having been heated and just allowed > to cool, so as to be no longer sensible to the touch, still weighs less, if > immediately placed on the balance, than its original weight; and it will > often take many minutes until the balance will again assume its normal > position..." This is similar to one of the experiments I described. > > p.384.."Another experiment was made as follows. A glass tube sealed at one > end was contracted in the middle. In the lower portion were placed about 10 > cc of water, and in the upper portion a stick of dry potassium hydrate of > about an equal weight, and the tube was sealed. After cooling, the tube was > weighed and then turned upside down, so that the water could flow on to the > potassium hydrate. The stick of potassium hydrate partially dissolved, and > the solution crystallized. On weighing it was found to be lighter by about > 20 mgr. On shaking the glass the crystals partially redissolved, and the > tube became heavier; but after some time the crystals reformed, and the > tube weighed again less" > > There was no mention of total weight neither before nor after. However, if > 20 mgr. 100 years ago represents 20 mg. of today, this might be a > significant change in total weight. It would depend on the weight of the > glass tube. Hard to account for the second result by any imaginable theory. > > ..and also from the web site (noted below).. THE FIRST AETHER CONFERENCE > By Hal Fox, Editor. From: NEN, Vol. 5, No. 4, August 1997, pp. 1-4 > Yes, I had just mentioned the interesting experiments at this URL. Two things come to mind: There are some thermodynamicists who are trying to account for the existence of entropy by laying it at the feet of the universal gravitational field-- don't know much about this, I just read a few sentences about it-- And the Kinetic Theory of Gravitation by Charles Brush connects heat and gravitation directly. A simpified description of his theory would be: Space is filled with a kinetic, energetic ether. This ether may consist of extremely high frequency waves. Gravitation is the result of the shadowing of this energy of one body by another. Some substances may resonate with this ether and absorb energy from it in the form of heat. These may be diamagnetic substances, like Bismuth. Brush did not detect anomalous heat from Bismuth but he clearly demonstrated that different substances fall at different rates, and pndulums made of equivalent masses of different substances have different periods (which is another way of saying the same thing). Tests using a Eotvos balance showed (with zinc taken as a standard for attraction between masses): Aluminum 130 Zinc 100 Tin 100 Lead 93 Silver 80 Bismuth 72 Inertial effects were greater than gravitational ones. There is much more... Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 26 02:09:10 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id CAA22281; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 02:08:27 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 02:08:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708260908.CAA19938@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: Capacitance of noninductive coils (Was Tesla Patent 512,340) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 02:12:48 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"7rHvX1.0.2S5.9qf0q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/246 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi Jack and all, > Fred wrote: > >Does anyone know the best ways to REDUCE interwinding capacitance in coils? > I have a coil taken from a Measurements Inc. model59 grid dip meter > which follows one of Tesla's patents. The coil is a single layer > that forms a cone...it doesn't get any better than that. I don't understand why the cone shape reduces C... Unless... > maybe if you interleaved a non-conductor like nylon thread with > the magnet wire...? > Wouldn't that INCREASE C rather than reduce it? So following your suggestions, if I was to build a generator of faster than light waves or impulses I would wind a cone with a single layer nonferrous bifilar coil, possibly separating the wires with a nonconductor. This would make for an LC product lower than the ue (permeability/permittivity) product of so-called "free space". You could make u NEGATIVE by making the cone out of Bismuth or another high diamagnetic substance. The cone shape intuitively sounds like a directional generator. It would be interesting to wind two identical cones like this and point them at each other across a room and try to send a signal from one to the other. It's interesting to note that cones and conic spirals are two of the shapes associated with concentrating of so-called "etheric energy" a la dowsing etc. (the other important one being the pyramid of course). I have avoided discussing this because I do not want to appear "down on scalars" :-) but there is an entirely different approach to the dynamics of the bifilar coil and that is simply through considering the Telegraphers Equation. Some of you have heard me mumbling about this before. If we forget Einstein ever existed and consider Maxwell supreme there is no limit to the velocity of waves according to this basic relation between wave velocity and permeability/permittivity (LC constant). It may be that for replicable results to be obtained with bifilar coils (or Bismuth experiments for that matter) the capacitance of the total system must be strictly controlled. Obviously this is true if we consider the output of a "noninductive" coil to be a FTL vector wave rather than a scalar potential field. If the important thing about these coils etc. is their LC PRODUCT rather than simply their inductance then experiments which only consider L will be impossible to duplicate and results will be all over the map, which seems to be the case. It appears there are several logical possibilities for any particular device: L > u L = u L < u AND C >e C =e C ue, otherwise measurements cannot be made, because the measuring instrument itself has LC > ue. I have some vague ideas on how to do this but I won't go into them now. Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 26 09:01:42 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id JAA07215; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 09:00:55 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 09:00:55 -0700 Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 09:00:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708261600.JAA09936@denmark.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: mrandall@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Michael Randall Subject: Re: Bifilar Coils : New tests Resent-Message-ID: <"GJxPj1.0.8m1.osl0q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/247 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On 09:49 AM 8/24/97 -0400, Jean-Louis Naudin wrote: >Hi All, > >I have conducted some tests to understand better the working process in the >TEP. >You will find all scope pictures and schemes in my web site at : >http://members.aol.com/overunity4/html/biftest.htm > >The main goal of these series of tests is to understand better how a Bifilar >coil works. > <....> >NOTES : If you connect a LED (with a 47 K resistor in serial ), you will see >that the light of the LED will be more bright in the Case 2 than in the Case >1. But the current in the circuit always DROPS in the Case 2..... Do you mean that the current drops at input to Case 2 circuit below the DVM reading of I=220.8ma? This would indicate that you are: 1) Tapping a source of additional energy from outside the circuit. or 2) Extracting energy from the circuit that the source does not see. Scalar theory says that both could happen: 1) "Opposing EM fields may produce a direct interaction with the orthogonal ZPE flux. When EM fields oppose, there is no net field vector, yet the stress on the fabric of space (or the stress-energy tensor of general relativity) increases." (1) 2) "So, as we convert 3-space vector energy into scalar spheres, we lose none of the original energy, but the source _thinks_ that little or no current is flowing. This happens all the time, and is of no consequence to energy research unless an effective means of retrieving the energy stored in the spheres can be reverted back into vector energy via some method."(2) Interesting experiment! Regards, Michael Randall Ref: (1) Tapping the Zero Point Energy, by Moray B. King. (2) Energy Geometry, by Joel McClain. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 26 09:10:43 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id JAA11716; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 09:10:20 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 09:10:20 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970826090311.006f3a80@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 09:03:11 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: Re: Capacitance of noninductive coils (Was Tesla Patent 512,340) In-Reply-To: <199708260908.CAA19938@mail1.halcyon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"RaM7U3.0.Ys2.b_l0q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/248 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi Fred, All... At 02:12 8/26/97 -0700, Fred wrote: >I don't understand why the cone shape reduces C... One nice thing about capacitance is that it's a direct result of geometry. The cone shape reduces coupling between successive windings as it increases the distance between them. Consider the relationship between the first and last windings if they are of the same diameter, then consider two different diameter windings. (In both cases wound on the same axis.) > Unless... >> maybe if you interleaved a non-conductor like nylon thread with >> the magnet wire...? >> >Wouldn't that INCREASE C rather than reduce it? Only if the distance between the windings didn't increase more rapidly than the increase in dielectric constant. In this case you've gone from a coil where the windings are separated by a very thin dielectric (magnet wire is often insulated with nylon btw) to separation by a dielectric with a thickness equal to twice the diameter of the wire. C=0.08842(10^-12 kA/d) k=dielectric constant d=separation in centimeters A=area of plates in sq centimeters C=Farads k air=1 k nylon=~3 Even if I consider the wires to be initially insulated by a small air gap, the increase in separation from interleaving a nylon thread, of similar diameter to the conductor, is not overcome by the increase in dielectric constant. >This would make for an LC product lower than the ue >(permeability/permittivity) product of so-called "free space". No, it would not. However, It does increase the self resonant frequency of the inductor, which can be useful. Also, if you are building a series resonant winding for voltage multiplication, like the secondary winding of a Tesla coil, it's extremely handy. Best Regards, JD ------------------------------------------------------------ "Those who do not know the torment of the unknown cannot have the joy of discovery." -Claude Bernard. E-mail to: mules@palacenet.net ------------------------------------------------------------ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 26 09:17:14 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id JAA03859; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 09:16:38 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 09:16:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 07:51:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708261451.HAA14261@denmark.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: mrandall@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Michael Randall Subject: Re: Bifilar Coils : New tests Resent-Message-ID: <"0YgCb3.0.Ay.X5m0q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/249 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On 09:49 AM 8/24/97 -0400, Jean-Louis Naudin wrote: >Hi All, > >I have conducted some tests to understand better the working process in the >TEP. >You will find all scope pictures and schemes in my web site at : >http://members.aol.com/overunity4/html/biftest.htm > >The main goal of these series of tests is to understand better how a Bifilar >coil works. > <....> >NOTES : If you connect a LED (with a 47 K resistor in serial ), you will see >that the light of the LED will be more bright in the Case 2 than in the Case >1. But the current in the circuit always DROPS in the Case 2..... Do you mean that the current drops at input to Case 2 circuit below the DVM reading of I=220.8ma? This would indicate that you are: 1) Tapping a source of additional energy from outside the circuit. or 2) Extracting energy from the circuit that the source does not see. Scalar theory says that both could happen: 1) "Opposing EM fields may produce a direct interaction with the orthogonal ZPE flux. When EM fields oppose, there is no net field vector, yet the stress on the fabric of space (or the stress-energy tensor of general relativity) increases." (1) 2) "So, as we convert 3-space vector energy into scalar spheres, we lose none of the original energy, but the source _thinks_ that little or no current is flowing. This happens all the time, and is of no consequence to energy research unless an effective means of retrieving the energy stored in the spheres can be reverted back into vector energy via some method."(2) Interesting experiment! Regards, Michael Randall Ref: (1) Tapping the Zero Point Energy, by Moray B. King. (2) Energy Geometry, by Joel McClain. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 26 09:54:01 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id JAA32341; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 09:53:07 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 09:53:07 -0700 Message-ID: <01BCB248.42D92DD0@reb4-p2.telepac.pt> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ant=F3nio_Vilela?= To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: RE: Scalar arcade game HERE! Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 17:48:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <"di3Am.0.qu7.hdm0q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/250 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hello Peter and Bob,=20 Thank you Peter for your most friendly and warm reply to my questions. = And it was informative also. Peter Nielsen wrote: >>=20 >> >>I was refering to the scalar vectors being diffuse, not the = electric or >> >>magnetic ones. >> > AV >> >What is a scalar vector? :-)))))) >> > >>=20 PN >> The direction of intensity in a complex scalar field. > BS >Scalars by definition do not have direction. What direction does >temprature have? >Temprature is a scalar value according to the textbook definition.=20 >Clearly we are >not using th5s term to describe the same things Peter. >=20 At this point things are getting very messy. When we say that a scalar = field does not have direction we are stating the obvious, which is that = the value of a scalar field in a particular point in space is a scalar = and therefore has only a "magnitude" and no direction. That doesn=B4t = mean that the scalar field "in itself" is not polarized or doesn=B4t = have any spatial orientation. Examples of this are the classical = temperature field and electric scalar potential field. In the first = case, while the temperature in each point is a scalar and is not = oriented, there may be a difference of temperatures between two points = and this creates a spatial orientation. This difference is not even = devoid of physical significance as there will surely be a heat transfer = from the point of higher temperature to the other. In general, if the = scalar field is "well behaved" it will be possible to derive a vector = field through the use of the gradient operator. Note, however, that this = is only one of the possible means of producing a vector field from a = scalar one, although it is the most common. Another example is our very familiar electrical field, which is derived = from the scalar potential field through the expression; E =3D -grad(phi), being phi a scalar field and E a vector field, of = course. I still don=B4t know, however, what on earth is a scalar vector or a = "complex scalar field". Maybe this time Peter will show his giving = From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 26 10:52:27 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id KAA18197; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 10:52:16 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 10:52:16 -0700 Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 10:52:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708261752.KAA28696@pop1.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: szdanq@peseta.ucdavis.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dan Quickert Subject: Re: bucking bifilar scalars Resent-Message-ID: <"FNxSK1.0.3S4.DVn0q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/251 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Bob Shannon wrote: >> I do not beleive that this is a matter of scale at all. OK, so can we call it geometry? What about a case of intermediate geometry, which Fred's experiment tests (see below)? >> Bucking coils do not behave like bifilar coils, as Jean-Louis has shown >> by direct experiment. I agree with that. What I'm trying to get to is, where's the line between bucking and bifilar? as is Fred: Fred Epps wrote, in part: >If we were to take the sliding coil arrangement I described before and >measure its inductance at all points between total separation and total >overlap, some sort of curve would result. This curve would be either >continuous or discontinuous. Right. That would be an easy test. But can we get a good bifilar effect with two coils that slide within each other? Or do the 2 windings have to be on the same cylindrical surface? If we must have the windings exactly interleaved, there's another (more tedious) way: Given a bifilar consisting of coil 1 and coil 2 with opposed currents, measure the inductance and, if possible, the scalar output. Then *unwind* a turn from one end of coil 1, and *add* a turn to it on the other end (it will be sticking out a bit past coil 2 now). Measure the total inductance again. Do we still have scalar production? Now perform the unwind/add procedure again, measure - do we still have scalar? Continue that process until there are no turns of coil 1 left that are interwound with coil 2; we now have a complete 'bucking coil' arrangement. Where in the intermediate steps did the scalar production stop? What was the curve of inductance values vs coil interwinding? It would also be interesting if we could pull the two coils apart parallel to each other and do the measuring. Bob, what would you predict from these experiments? Dan From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 26 11:22:55 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id LAA26490; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 11:22:49 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 11:22:49 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970826141635.009beeb0@inforamp.net> X-Sender: quinney@inforamp.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 14:18:54 -0400 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Quinney Subject: Re: Mass Change (was Re: Interesting report) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"0iVO_3.0.kT6.uxn0q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/252 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 01:09 AM 8/26/97 -0700, you wrote: >Hi Colin, > > You post was VERY interesting! > Thank you. I was overdue for writing *something* interesting. :-) >> I came across this book in an old book store about 5 years ago. >> >> "Some Unrecognized Laws of Nature" 'An Inquiry into the Causes of >Physical >> Phenomena with Special Reference to Gravitation', by Ignatius Singer and >> Lewis H. Berens. Pub. John Murray, London, 1897. > > >> p.383.. "...a platinum crucible after having been heated and just >allowed >> to cool, so as to be no longer sensible to the touch, still weighs less, >if >> immediately placed on the balance, than its original weight; and it will >> often take many minutes until the balance will again assume its normal >> position..." > > This is similar to one of the experiments I described. >> >> p.384.."Another experiment was made as follows. A glass tube sealed at >one >> end was contracted in the middle. In the lower portion were placed about >10 >> cc of water, and in the upper portion a stick of dry potassium hydrate of >> about an equal weight, and the tube was sealed. After cooling, the tube >was >> weighed and then turned upside down, so that the water could flow on to >the >> potassium hydrate. The stick of potassium hydrate partially dissolved, >and >> the solution crystallized. On weighing it was found to be lighter by >about >> 20 mgr. On shaking the glass the crystals partially redissolved, and the >> tube became heavier; but after some time the crystals reformed, and the >> tube weighed again less" >> > >Hard to account for the second result by any imaginable theory. see below > >Two things come to mind: >There are some thermodynamicists who are trying to account for the >existence of entropy by laying it at the feet of the universal >gravitational field-- don't know much about this, I just read a few >sentences about it-- Remi Cornwall has some very interesting observations about entropy and phase changes in this month's edition of 'Infinite energy'. I wonder what he would have to say about all this. > >And the Kinetic Theory of Gravitation by Charles Brush connects heat and >gravitation directly. > >A simpified description of his theory would be: >Space is filled with a kinetic, energetic ether. >This ether may consist of extremely high frequency waves. >Gravitation is the result of the shadowing of this energy of one body by >another. >Some substances may resonate with this ether and absorb energy from it in >the form of heat. >These may be diamagnetic substances, like Bismuth. > >Brush did not detect anomalous heat from Bismuth but he clearly >demonstrated that different substances fall at different rates, and >pndulums made of equivalent masses of different substances have different >periods (which is another way of saying the same thing). > I have some of Brush's work here. I'll have to dig it out again. The ZPE theory of gravitation as proposed by Puthoff, Haisch etc., and most of the "push" theories may be compatible. Ignatius Singer and Lewis H. Berens' theories may (simplistically) also be compatible. They believed that gravity was reduced in areas of 'agitation', whatever the cause..ie: mechanical, magnetic, phase change, ultraviolet light, electrical, etc. Experiments could easily be designed to confirm/deny. >Tests using a Eotvos balance showed (with zinc taken as a standard for >attraction between masses): > >Aluminum 130 >Zinc 100 >Tin 100 >Lead 93 >Silver 80 >Bismuth 72 > >Inertial effects were greater than gravitational ones. > >There is much more... > >Fred Colin Quinney. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 26 11:35:34 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id LAA28932; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 11:34:43 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 11:34:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708261833.LAA03045@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: Capacitance of noninductive coils (Was Tesla Patent512,340) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 11:04:14 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"0S7GF2.0.v37.p6o0q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/253 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi Jack and all! > At 02:12 8/26/97 -0700, Fred wrote: > >I don't understand why the cone shape reduces C... > > One nice thing about capacitance is that it's a direct > result of geometry. > >Wouldn't that INCREASE C rather than reduce it? > > Only if the distance between the windings didn't increase more > rapidly than the increase in dielectric constant. OK. Got it... > >This would make for an LC product lower than the ue > >(permeability/permittivity) product of so-called "free space". > > No, it would not. However, It does increase the self resonant > frequency of the inductor, which can be useful. Also, if > you are building a series resonant winding for voltage multiplication, > like the secondary winding of a Tesla coil, it's extremely handy. I think by your answer you're not seeing the same thing I am.. I'm talking about something that hasn't been made yet, a "noninductive" coil made with minimal capacitance as well. If the inductance of a well made noninductive coil approaches zero, then of course it is below u. We can assume it is some very small value. For any very small value of L of such a coil, there will be a range of possible values of C where the LC product is ABOVE ue and a range of possible values of C where the LC product is BELOW ue. Constructing a coil where LC is below ue would I believe lead to very interesting results. Some experiments along this line have already been done. Harold Milnes in his article "Faster Than Light" in the Jan. 1983 issue of Radio-Electronics describes some experiments to test the simple relation v = 1/ (LC)^-2, the transmission line equation, in ranges where LC is less than ue. He does in fact demonstrate signal velocities close to simultaneity with a minimum velocity of 100c. Here is his description of the coil: "The delay circuit should be constructed so that the values of L and C are quite small. The procedure used in the first experiment shows one way to acoomplish that. A very fine wire is selected, so as to keep the surface area, and hence the inherent capacitance, small. Number 40 copper wire is the finest generally available, but it is so fragile that I prefer using No. 35 steel sound-recording wire... which is quite satisfactory, despite its high resistance of one-ohm-per-cm. ...a hundred notches were cut, one cm. apart, in two insulating boards, and the boards were separated from each other by 99 cm. The wire was strung tightly back and forth, forming a series of 100 parallel lines, each one meter long (when the turns at the end are taken into account). The total length was exactly 100 meters. The value of L was kept quite small because the wires are noninductively wound, and the direction of current flow in any one line the reverse of that in the two adjacent lines. A second, similar, plane was constructed and placed beneath the first, but with its wires runnig perpendicular to the first's. An air gap of one cm. separated the two planes. Then a third and fourth plane were stacked beneath those, with the direction of the wires alternating. The planes were connected to one another, forming a continuous transmission line 400 meters long. [Using standard calculations he estimates the capacitance on a per cm. basis to be at least less than 1.106 x 10^-15 F.] Whwen a square wave signal is fed to one end of the device, the transit time to the other end is so brief that it is undetectable at the highest sweep-rate of a 15-MHz oscilloscope. According to the c-hypothesis [the hypothesis that no signals can be transmitted FTL], the output waveform should be displaced by at least 13 cm. with respect to the input waveform, but the [rising and falling] points match the [output rising and falling] points to within the precision that the instrument permits." To forestall the objection that the "coil" design was leading to artifacts, he conducted an experiment where he strung a single thin wire around an entire city block. The effects were identical. Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 26 13:08:11 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id NAA16197; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 13:07:48 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 13:07:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 13:06:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708262006.NAA27916@sweden.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: TEP vs. blocking Oscillator Resent-Message-ID: <"9rGaW1.0.vy3.DUp0q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/254 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >Hi Michael and everyone, > >>At 11:07 AM 8/24/97 -0700, Michael Randall wrote: >Ok. I've read that people tapping ZPE or aether get a cooling of the >transistor at ou operation. I read the Dragone paper which had a theory why coils could be cooled from magnetic energy. Thought it was very interesting. Don't know about transistor cooling yet. >Is there a problem in coupling the L4 to L1-L3? Size of the L4 form wouldn't >slide over L1-L3? Once L4 was coupled to L3, that magnetic coupling would be the major coupling (no bifilar cancellation). That is why I built the blocking osc. without a bifilar coil. L4 is already coupled to L3 circuit-wise, which leads to the question of what the function of L1,L2 is in coupling to L3 to produce oscillations: How does the TEP work? 1) Initial response, as studied now by Jean-Louis. 2) Stray capacitive and leakage inductance. I don't think this is a major means from my experiments. 3) Circuit coupling from L4 to L3. In this case, L1,L2 isn't required for oscillation, but the bifilar windings are a load for the oscillations (to produce scalar energy). I don't know how much each one plays in the oscillation, but magnetically coupling of L4, L3 adds another means to add to the puzzle. Again more experiments are needed! -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 26 13:08:12 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id NAA16214; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 13:07:51 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 13:07:51 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 13:06:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708262006.NAA27896@sweden.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: bucking bifilar scalars Resent-Message-ID: <"94Svf3.0.Cz3.HUp0q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/255 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 12:16 AM 8/26/97 -0700, Fred wrote: > >If we were to take the sliding coil arrangement I described before and >measure its inductance at all points between total separation and total >overlap, some sort of curve would result. This curve would be either >continuous or discontinuous. > I wound 2 coils with No. 28 magnet wire (0.35mm) L1 40 mm diam, 65 turns, measured inductance 170uH L2 44 mm diam, 65 turns, measured inductance 185uH. L2 can slide over L1. I measured the pair in a bucking arrangement as a function of the axial spacing between them. (Sorry I cannot plot them on-line) Coils at 90 deg. 360uH (approx. L1 + L2) 60mm spacing 350 50 340 40 320 35 310 30 295 25 260 (~23mm would be side by side) 20 230 15 160 12 130 10 110 8 90 5 60 2 48 0mm 44uH. Minimun at complete overlap. Since L1 is slightly smaller than L2 and there is leakage reactance, the min. value is expected. The curve appears continuous. I then unwound both coils and rewound them in an bifilar arrangement, opposing. There might have been a very slight response at 25uH, but the coil appeared resistive up to about 10MHz, so no clear resonant response was seen. -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 26 13:48:42 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id NAA22495; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 13:48:09 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 13:48:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708262046.NAA27782@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: bucking bifilar scalars Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 13:52:58 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"HKIKV.0.OV5.34q0q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/256 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi Dave! Thanks for the experimental results! Since the coils are 4 mm. apart at the overlap position, and the movement to that position from 2 mm. away reduces the L by 4 uH (2 uH/cm) one would expect the interweaved coil to have an L of 36 uH if there were a more-or-less linear relationship between distance and L all the way to the bifilar. There must be a break or extreme nonlinearity in the relation at a very small wire distance. This would corroborate Bob's position. Fred > > > >If we were to take the sliding coil arrangement I described before and > >measure its inductance at all points between total separation and total > >overlap, some sort of curve would result. This curve would be either > >continuous or discontinuous. > > > I wound 2 coils with No. 28 magnet wire (0.35mm) > L1 40 mm diam, 65 turns, measured inductance 170uH > L2 44 mm diam, 65 turns, measured inductance 185uH. L2 can slide over L1. > I measured the pair in a bucking arrangement as a function of the axial spacing > between them. (Sorry I cannot plot them on-line) > Coils at 90 deg. 360uH (approx. L1 + L2) > 60mm spacing 350 > 50 340 > 40 320 > 35 310 > 30 295 > 25 260 > (~23mm would be side by side) > 20 230 > 15 160 > 12 130 > 10 110 > 8 90 > 5 60 > 2 48 > 0mm 44uH. Minimun at complete overlap. > Since L1 is slightly smaller than L2 and there is leakage reactance, the > min. value is expected. The curve appears continuous. > I then unwound both coils and rewound them in an bifilar arrangement, opposing. > There might have been a very slight response at 25uH, but the coil appeared > resistive up > to about 10MHz, so no clear resonant response was seen. > -Dave > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 26 15:53:14 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id PAA10465; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 15:52:36 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 15:52:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <34035C47.756CE131@microtronics.com.au> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 08:14:23 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List Server Freenrg CC: List Server Vortex , List Server Newman , List Server NeoTech Subject: Updated Tesla Patent 512340 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"4_KAf.0.QZ2.jur0q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/257 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi All, I have posted a enlarged version of the Tesla bifilar coil patent. It reads much better, thanks Fred. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 26 20:28:02 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id UAA03734; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 20:27:18 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 20:27:18 -0700 Message-ID: <3403C78C.75FF@tiac.net> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 23:22:04 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: bucking bifilar scalars References: <199708260712.AAA09681@mail1.halcyon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Lj8y92.0.Aw.Lwv0q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/258 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Fred Epps wrote: > > Hi Bob, all, > > > I do not beleive that this is a matter of scale at all. > > > > Bucking coils do not behave like bifilar coils, as Jean-Louis has shown > > by direct experiment. > > Agreed (actually never disagreed, just didn't get the definitions). > > > > This difference is black and white. Why must there be a "a graduated > > transition in respective field strength"? > > Am I wrong in thinking that the physical difference between a bucking coil > and a "bifilar" coil is the distance between the wires in the two coils? This is not a simple thing at all, it is very odd in terms of conventional theory. This is why a new set of extensions to conventional theory are needed. Unfortunately, these extensions are currently incomplete. To answer the question as best I can, bucking coils are a case where we have the flux around each conductor adding constructivly. The high curl flux loops around each conductor add to form a larger, but lower curl "macropole" field, the conventional electromagnet field. A bifilar coil with opposed (and equal) current flows in each winding (confusingly called the opposed bifilar case) has destructive interference between the flux loops around each conductor, while still in the high curl condition, which precludes the formation of the "macropole" field. It is simply not physically possible to superpose two conventional coils and achieve the bifilar condition, so Fred's 'Gedanken experiment' simply fails to describe physical reality. Sure, its confusing as hell. I'm still scratching my head over this subject. This is why I very strongly perfer to leave theory to those with the proper background. I'm and Engineer, I can design and construct actual test scenarios to gather emperical data about a theory. By doing this, I try to develop a gut feel for what works, and what does not work. My understanding of theory is intimately tied to the actual experimental situations. Freds very interesting, but physically impossible case of superposing coils to transition from the bucking case to the bifilar case simply boggels my mind. So, where is the answer to Freds question? The differnece is not scale, nor distance, but one of geometery. Bucking coils perform constructive interfernece between adjecent conductors, "opposed bifilars" have destructive interference between adjecent conductors. These are totally different cases. > If I'm wrong, I really am confused. > If I'm right, then there must be a distance (presumably when the wires are > very close together) where the scalars predominate or are the only output. Bifilars have adjecent conductors with opposed current flows, but bucking coils have aiding current flows. This is not scale, its geometery in my book, but again, my understanding is based on observation rather than theroy. > (Note I am not discussing field strengths here, ONLY proximity.) > If there is a point where scalars predominate or are the only output, then > there must either be: > 1) A distance where the product of the coil is mixed scalars and vectors. > OR > 2) A radical discontinuity where all vector production stops and all scalar > production begins. Part of the confusion may be due to the fact that we cannot perform this experiment in reality, so why should it make sense at all? Lets stick to what works, and what does not. It's much simpler to discuss and test. > If we were to take the sliding coil arrangement I described before and > measure its inductance at all points between total separation and total > overlap, some sort of curve would result. This curve would be either > continuous or discontinuous. The coils would have to be of different diameters, and this fails to describe the bifilar case. The experiment is not possible as described. "Close enough" is just not close enough. > If I have a box and I say there are scalars inside the box, can I also say > there are vectors (EM waves/particles) in the box? Not really. We can say that some configurations of scalars form vectors, and that some configurations of vectors can yeild scalars. > If the two are interconvertible and can exist in the same space, then it > seems necessary to say that there can be different proportions of the two > "things" in one "place". Note I am not defining what the things ARE. We are getting a bit deep here, but we CAN have vectors impressed on scalar carriers, and also have scalars riding on EM carriers, but this has little to do with the fendemental differnences between vectors and scalars, or the production of scalars in the first place. > Am I being obtuse? No, this is rather odd stuff Fred. No small number of people have gotten close, and missed the mark on this subject. Thats why I stick to what works, and what does not work. The fact that few researchers use common terms, or are willing to try to understand others terminology makes things tough on everyone. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 26 20:44:48 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id UAA07132; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 20:44:35 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 20:44:35 -0700 Message-ID: <3403CB9A.3A2C@tiac.net> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 23:39:22 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: bucking bifilar scalars References: <199708261752.KAA28696@pop1.ucdavis.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"hixJc3.0.Ll1.YAw0q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/259 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Dan Quickert wrote: > > Bob Shannon wrote: > >> I do not beleive that this is a matter of scale at all. > > OK, so can we call it geometry? What about a case of intermediate geometry, > which Fred's experiment tests (see below)? Geometery, yes, thats it exactly to my understanding. Intermediate geometeries, no. I know of none in reality, but I may be wrong here. > >> Bucking coils do not behave like bifilar coils, as Jean-Louis has shown > >> by direct experiment. > > I agree with that. What I'm trying to get to is, where's the line between > bucking and bifilar? as is Fred: > > Fred Epps wrote, in part: > > >If we were to take the sliding coil arrangement I described before and > >measure its inductance at all points between total separation and total > >overlap, some sort of curve would result. This curve would be either > >continuous or discontinuous. > > Right. That would be an easy test. But can we get a good bifilar effect with > two coils that slide within each other? Or do the 2 windings have to be on > the same cylindrical surface? Wrong, we cannot construct this test in reality. We cannot superpose physical coils, this just never happens. > If we must have the windings exactly interleaved, there's another (more > tedious) way: Given a bifilar consisting of coil 1 and coil 2 with opposed > currents, measure the inductance and, if possible, the scalar output. Then > *unwind* a turn from one end of coil 1, and *add* a turn to it on the other > end (it will be sticking out a bit past coil 2 now). Measure the total > inductance again. Do we still have scalar production? Now perform the > unwind/add procedure again, measure - do we still have scalar? Continue that > process until there are no turns of coil 1 left that are interwound with > coil 2; we now have a complete 'bucking coil' arrangement. Where in the > intermediate steps did the scalar production stop? What was the curve of > inductance values vs coil interwinding? I've never perfomed this very interesting test. I can show you how to detect the scalar products however. We have to account for the fact that the windings at the ends of the coils contribute much less inductance to a coil that the same ammount of windings at the center of the coil. If we unballance the coils, we will have an EM expression of the potentials, and according to Bearden, scalar production will suffer big-time. > It would also be interesting if we could pull the two coils apart parallel > to each other and do the measuring. Not physically possible. > Bob, what would you predict from these experiments? > > Dan Darn good question Dan. One turn removed (not shorted, thats different!) may well prevent scalar production. It's tricky stuff in practice. But with one turn removed, we still have opposed flux from adjecent conductors, which does not describe the bucking coil arangement. We seem to have added a third unique case here I'm afraid. Let me ponder this one a while. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 26 21:10:41 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id VAA24997; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 21:10:05 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 21:10:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708270408.VAA15635@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: "Free Energy" , "vortex" , Subject: Re: Zenon shortfall on Earth Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 20:59:02 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"uRLvj1.0.O66.NYw0q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/260 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi Rich, all, There are some optical spectra made with > electric sparks in zenon in experiments about 1920 that hint that zenon > is thereby transmuted into other elements. My conclusions, not the > original author's! I have a paper from 1914 on transmutation of elements by electric sparks. Not being too familiar with the CF literature, I don't know if this study is well-known or not, or whether it is of anything more than historical interest. The Production Of Neon And Helium By The Electrical Discharge J. Norman Collie, et al. Proc. Roy. Soc. A, 91, p. 30-45, (1914) I have a list of refs for other similar articles employing a variety of approaches and producing several elements. If any of the CF people want these I can provide them. Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 26 21:09:48 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id VAA11619; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 21:09:12 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 21:09:12 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970826220533.00727d98@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 22:05:33 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: Re: bucking bifilar scalars In-Reply-To: <3403CB9A.3A2C@tiac.net> References: <199708261752.KAA28696@pop1.ucdavis.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"26RuP2.0.Sr2.dXw0q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/261 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 23:39 8/26/97 -0700,Bob wrote: >> It would also be interesting if we could pull the two coils apart parallel >> to each other and do the measuring. > >Not physically possible. How about building two self-supporting windings, with a wide enough pitch so they may be interleaved like a deck of cards? I've seen adjustable transmitter PA links built that way? Best Regards, JD ------------------------------------------------------------ "Those who do not know the torment of the unknown cannot have the joy of discovery." -Claude Bernard. E-mail to: mules@palacenet.net ------------------------------------------------------------ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 26 21:50:19 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id VAA19358; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 21:50:07 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 21:50:07 -0700 Message-ID: <01BCB2B5.B009FAC0@art.xs4all.nl> From: Pete Art To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: New game, Scalar detection and generation Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 06:51:12 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <"TdnOc2.0.Gk4.z7x0q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/262 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hello Bob and all, Im just about to finish the Barkhausen detector and hook it up on=20 the scope/spectrum analyzer/PC this weekend. Also the electrostatic gradiometer will be there, the output goes to=20 a double Y-(t) paper logger. Before I start experimenting a few questions: If I send a fast pulse through or modulate a bifilair coil arrangement=20 will the amplitude of the detected signal depent on the physical(3d) distance between the 'transmitter' and detector? If not (action at a 'distance'), than other detectors might also detect = this=20 signal. In that case it would be a good idea to report the time (in GMT) of generation of this signal on a web-page so other researchers can correlate their data.=20 Bob, what about the so called 'time delay' you mention ("The detected = signals after an artificially generated pulse can often be significant, and = should be recorded"). Do you mean that the 'original' signal can (again) be seen = after a=20 certain period of time or that natural dynamic scalar fields change = their state and produce a change in the scalar interference with the detector? Below are some of Bob's remarks which I think are significant: E-mail: "ATG's BiPEG vs. Jean-Louis's TEP!" Tue, 19 Aug 1997 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------------------------- -This suggests that not only must the two bifilar currents be equal in magnetude and phase, but that we should also have an electrostatic ballance across the bifilar coils. To acheive this, we should adopt bipolar power supplies rather than the single ended configurations that are currently used in the BiPEG and TEP designs. - To efficiently convert a scalar potential into EM power, we should use two such (electrostatically) ballanced bifilar coils, driven such that the points of maximum scalar potential are 180 degrees out of phase. - Because the scalar product of a single bifilar coil is at twice the frequency of the EM input (due to their being two points of maximum potential per EM cycle!) we need to be aware that 180 degrees of the scalar product is only 90 degrees of the original EM input wave. - As one bifilar coil reaches maximum opposed potentials, the other will be at minimum, so we have a vector (EM power!) between these coils. -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------------------------- Question to all: WILL THE LIGHT GO ON in the following setup: Wind 2 bifilair coils around two piles of stacked permanent magnets, = pile (1) having N-S-S-N-N-S-S-N and pile (2) having S-N-N-S-S-N-N-S , = seal the piles/coils with metal foil, connect the foil of coil(1) to a = capacitor charged with high voltage(+) and the foil of the second = coil(2) to the other end of the capacitor(-) (high voltage made by a = Wimhurst machine or HV-powersupply from a xerox), wind 2 normal coils = around the piles(Faraday-cage principle does not apply with scalars), = connect these 2 normal coils in series with a lightbulb. Now send 2 EM waves, using bipolar power supplies, in the bifilair coils = being 180 degrees out of phase. Anyway I will build the TEP's and make measurements. Let's see what's in = there........... Cheers and happy experimenting, Pete Art P.S. Bob, how are the schematics for the super-regenerative detector = doing? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 26 22:05:28 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id WAA01678; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 22:05:10 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 22:05:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708270458.VAA31647@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: bucking bifilar scalars Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 22:04:23 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"JO5V6.0.7Q.3Mx0q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/263 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi Bob and all, > > To answer the question as best I can, bucking coils are a case where we > have the flux around each conductor adding constructivly. The high curl > flux loops around each conductor add to form a larger, but lower curl > "macropole" field, the conventional electromagnet field. The way I picture the output of these coils in a naive sort of way is two magnetic fields pressing against each other without the fields subtracting from each other's strength. I wouldn't sat they "add" but they don't subtract from each other. > > A bifilar coil with opposed (and equal) current flows in each winding > (confusingly called the opposed bifilar case) has destructive > interference between the flux loops around each conductor, while still > in the high curl condition, which precludes the formation of the > "macropole" field. This is understood, the question is Where. Macro and micro are evocative terms but they do not really mean anything to me in this situation. what is micro to a magnetic field? Here's another thought experiment, which I think is clearer than the other one: Two single loops of wire over a noninductive coil form. The loops are connected to separate current sources and the currents are equal and opposite in direction. At first the loops are some distance away from each other, then they are moved closer until they are touching. The L of each can be measured separately. Would you say from your experimental evidence that there is some distance between the loops where destructive interference begins? Can you quantify what that distance is (you can define the wire type, loop size, etc. any way you like). > > > This is why I very strongly perfer to leave theory to those with the > proper background. I'm and Engineer, I can design and construct actual > test scenarios to gather emperical data about a theory. By doing this, > I try to develop a gut feel for what works, and what does not work. My > understanding of theory is intimately tied to the actual experimental > situations. That's exactly what I'm trying to do. Although I am a (sort-of) theorist, my eye is always on the prize of O/U. Not being an experimenter, I am relying on you to impart your gut feeling about what works to me so I can incorporate it into my next crazy idea. > > The differnece is not scale, nor distance, but one of geometery. > Bucking coils perform constructive interfernece between adjecent > conductors, "opposed bifilars" have destructive interference between > adjecent conductors. These are totally different cases. the phrase "constructive interference" is hard for me to mentally connect to a situation where magnetic fields are pushing up against each other like N-N, S-S, although it is technically correct. I think this the problem with the bucking fields case. In our minds, we refer the situation to two opposing fields, and translate that to field CANCELLATION. You rightly say that field opposition isn't the same as field cancellation. > > > If I'm wrong, I really am confused. > > If I'm right, then there must be a distance (presumably when the wires are > > very close together) where the scalars predominate or are the only output. > > Bifilars have adjecent conductors with opposed current flows, but > bucking coils have aiding current flows. This is also easy to misinterpret, what I hear you saying (as a psychobabblist would say :-) is that ALTHOUGH THE TWO BUCKING COIL CURRENTS ARE IN OPPOSITE DIRECTIONS, the current flows in EACH COIL are aiding. This is not scale, its > geometery in my book, but again, my understanding is based on > observation rather than theroy. I would not use the word scale, I would use the word proximity. To me proximity is a part of geometry. See my new thought experiment above. > > > (Note I am not discussing field strengths here, ONLY proximity.) > > If there is a point where scalars predominate or are the only output, then > > there must either be: > > 1) A distance where the product of the coil is mixed scalars and vectors. > > OR > > 2) A radical discontinuity where all vector production stops and all scalar > > production begins. > > Part of the confusion may be due to the fact that we cannot perform this > experiment in reality, so why should it make sense at all? > > Lets stick to what works, and what does not. It's much simpler to > discuss and test. > > The coils would have to be of different diameters, and this fails to > describe the bifilar case. The experiment is not possible as > described. "Close enough" is just not close enough. I agree with your critique of my first thought experiment, you're right, it is nonphysical. My second experiment satisfies all of these objections as far as I can tell. Are there any reasons why this cannot be tested? I can think of only two-- the L of a single loop is hard to measure, and the presence of a real wire with a finite diameter and a magnetic field on both sides may have some impact, although I'm not sure what. > > Am I being obtuse? > > No, this is rather odd stuff Fred. No small number of people have > gotten close, and missed the mark on this subject. Thats why I stick to > what works, and what does not work. The fact that few researchers use > common terms, or are willing to try to understand others terminology > makes things tough on everyone. I have been thinking for some time it would be good to have a typology of coils. we have a whole hodgepodge of kinds of coils infesting the list and when people use the terms, it seems usually only they know exactly which coil they are referring to. This would be distinct from the Scalar FAQ which of course you are skipping meals and sleep time to finish after using up all your time kindly replying to the peanut gallery here :-) Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 26 22:25:19 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id WAA04821; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 22:25:05 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 22:25:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708270617.BAA08294@csrlink.net> From: "Jim Shaffer, Jr." To: Subject: Re: Zenon shortfall on Earth Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 01:22:00 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"t5xKS3.0.DB1.kex0q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/264 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > There are some optical spectra made with > > electric sparks in zenon in experiments about 1920 that hint that zenon > > is thereby transmuted into other elements. My conclusions, not the > > original author's! > > I have a paper from 1914 on transmutation of elements by electric sparks. > Not being too familiar with the CF literature, I don't know if this study > is well-known or not, or whether it is of anything more than historical > interest. I've heard it said that the noble gases can somehow be made to form compounds with each other despite each having full electron shells. I wonder if there's a connection? I also remember hearing something about Philo Farnsworth having a fusion vacuum tube, but I don't remember the details, and I've even heard allegations that Tesla transmuted elements with his single-wire carbon light bulbs. "I don't want the world -- I just want your half." --T.M.B.G. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 27 00:01:21 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id AAA07766; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 00:00:38 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 00:00:38 -0700 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 17:00:27 +1000 Message-Id: <199708270700.RAA23428@nornet.nor.com.au> X-Sender: openway@pophost.nor.com.au (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Peter Nielsen Subject: Re: bucking bifilar scalars Resent-Message-ID: <"81V913.0.Fv1.L2z0q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/265 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >Right. That would be an easy test. But can we get a good bifilar effect with >two coils that slide within each other? Or do the 2 windings have to be on >the same cylindrical surface? > I think we may need to have a fresh look at what is happening between adjacent conductors. The interaction between two sliding coils and the opposed windings of an integral bifilar coil is not the same. IMO the vectors of field cancellation, and their precise superimposition, are the key. It equates to a polarization of the emitted field, scalar or otherwise. Sketch them out on paper. In the first instance, the plane of cancellation is at 90 degrees to the coils. In the second, it is axial. This is also the difference between a bucking a bifilar arrangement. Does anyone have an alternative view? Peter Nielsen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 27 00:02:37 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id AAA15367; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 00:01:59 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 00:01:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 17:00:33 +1000 Message-Id: <199708270700.RAA23436@nornet.nor.com.au> X-Sender: openway@pophost.nor.com.au (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Peter Nielsen Subject: RE: Scalar arcade game HERE! Resent-Message-ID: <"dR5H73.0._l3.Y3z0q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/267 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >When we say that a scalar field does not have direction we are stating the obvious, which is that the value of a scalar field in a >particular point in space is a scalar and therefore has only a "magnitude" and no direction. That doesn´t mean that the scalar field >"in itself" is not polarized or doesn´t have any spatial orientation. > And the polarization and orientation MUST depend on the emitter/source, which obviously implies a variablity, at least to some of us. But still no scalar vectors? What happens when two of the above gradients intersect? I will accept any name at this point. Peter Nielsen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 27 00:02:34 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id AAA15354; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 00:01:58 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 00:01:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 17:00:30 +1000 Message-Id: <199708270700.RAA23433@nornet.nor.com.au> X-Sender: openway@pophost.nor.com.au (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Peter Nielsen Subject: Re: Scalar arcade game HERE! Resent-Message-ID: <"aqXtq1.0.nl3.X3z0q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/266 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >My question is are these results vector electromagnetic fields, or >scalars? > >Are you suggesting that we get some combination of both? > Without going into more detail, I see the basic question here is whether or not a scalar field can have an intensity gradient. If so, it implies that it can be manipulated the same as any other field. You yourself have mentioned that EM derives from two scalars. How can this occur according to the interpretation you have been putting forth? >Can you explain why bucking coils do not produce the same results in >scalar detectors as bifilar coils if some fraction of the energy is >translated into a scalar form? > I believe it has to do with the configuration of the field, which is different in each case. >Exactly what excess energy are you refering to? > Natural gas? >Hmmm, in the bucking coil case, the magnetic flux in conserved, but in >the bifilar case, this is not the case at all. It is true that there is >some EM left, but only that due to stray inductance. > Straying from where? Not the coil I hope ;-) Peter Nielsen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 27 00:20:02 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id AAA18823; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 00:19:42 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 00:19:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708270718.AAA28574@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: Zenon shortfall on Earth Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 00:24:44 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"LMOFF.0.zb4.CKz0q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/268 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > I also remember hearing something about Philo Farnsworth having a > fusion vacuum tube, but I don't remember the details, > yes, he patented it, it is # 3,386,883, Method And Apparatus For Producing Nuclear Fusion Reactions ABSTRACT "A method and apparatus for producing controlled nuclear-fusion reaction by use of self-generated electric fields and inertial ionized-gas containment. The apparatus comprises a spherical anode which concentrically surrounds a cathode. A plurality of ion guns are mounted on the exterior of the anode in spherically spaced and diametrically aligned relationship such that the beam axes intersect at the center of the cathode. Appropriate apertures are provided in the cathode for passage of the ions. Other apertures permit passage of positively charged particles outwardly from the cathode interior, but are biased negatively to prevent the flow of electrons into the interelectrode space. A voltage is applied between the anode and cathode. Ions from the guns are propelled and focussed into the center of the cathode establishing in the cathode interior a series of concentric spherical sheaths of alternating maxima and minima potentials called "virtual electrodes". The ions in the innermost "virtual electrode" have fusion energies, and are contained at a density sufficient to produce a self-sustained fusion reaction." I understand that if Philo T. Farnsworth couldn't do it with a vacuum tube, it couldn't be done :-) Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 27 01:34:53 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id BAA16536; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 01:33:15 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 01:33:15 -0700 Message-Id: <199708270833.BAA01208@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: bucking bifilar scalars Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 01:38:25 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Nldp_2.0.H24.AP-0q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/269 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi Peter, > > I think we may need to have a fresh look at what is happening between > adjacent conductors. The interaction between two sliding coils and the > opposed windings of an integral bifilar coil is not the same. IMO the > vectors of field cancellation, and their precise superimposition, are the > key. It equates to a polarization of the emitted field, scalar or otherwise. > > Sketch them out on paper. In the first instance, the plane of cancellation > is at 90 degrees to the coils. In the second, it is axial. This is also the > difference between a bucking a bifilar arrangement. Does anyone have an > alternative view? No, I for one agree with this, although I have a question about the word "precise" here. Taking precise superposition to absurdity, there would be two currents going in opposite directions in one wire. In this case the currents would cease to exist (?-- see below). Thus there are TWO boundary conditions here-- the opposite currents cannot be in the same place, AND they cannot be too far away from each other, or the "macropoles" (as Bob calls them) form, and the bucking situation appears. The "absurd" idea of two currents going in opposite directions in a single wire elicits an interesting idea for me though.. Imagine a loop of wire with two solenoids around it so that a high dV/dT impulse fed into them will induce a circular current in the wire. Now suppose the impulses are in opposite directions, one going negative and one going positive (or alternatively the orientation of the coils is opposed). The result is that opposite currents are induced into the wire simultaneously. It is something like a reversal of the noninductive coil situation, with inductive coils creating a "non-current". The question is, IS there no current in any sense, or does there still exist some sort of electrostatic scalar field, A-B effect, or something in this case? An interesting experiment... Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 27 08:16:19 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id IAA10362; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 08:15:54 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 08:15:54 -0700 X-Sender: leoguitar@mail.vossnet.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: BAUER_D@FHI-Berlin.mpg.de (Dieter Bauer) (by way of harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann)) Subject: Message to Fred Epps Cc: fepps@halcyon.com Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 17:14:13 +0100 Message-Id: <19970827171413.18e9460f.in@pop3.vossnet.de> Resent-Message-ID: <"1qYyE1.0.pX2.eI41q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/270 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hallo Fred ! You wrote >I have a list of refs for other similar articles employing a variety of >approaches and producing several elements. If any of the CF people want >these I can provide them. It would be a big service if you make a list of refeces under this point of view. I read your parametric transformer post as well and, sorry, I do not see the possibility that this will work because your proposal is completely symmetric. I think a better possibility to show overunity effects with parametric inductivities is if you generate a negative hysteresis of the inductivity (B/H diagram) by switching the iron by current (acc. to your Nature article reference): if you load the coil you let flow the current through the core as well. Then you switch off the current through the core you get a voltage and a current spike. Then you discharge the coil again. After solving the DLG stepwise you can calculate the spent energies at all resistors and you can compare it with the work delivered by the battery. You should see a difference due to the non- constant inductivity ! This is the concept to follow the problem in a numerical calculation. I do not know whether simulation programs like PSPICE are able to handle the non-linear conductivities and can calculate the thermic losses at the resistors for this scientific purpose. I guess that my proposal is better suited for demonstration than solving the DLG for a Coler like circuit which should exhibit self excitated oscillation due to the non-constant mu if you find numerically the correct parameters regimes and if Coler was right . For the inductivity the most easy approach is (like Larry Wharton suggested it already) to describe it by a linear approach : L=L_0 + c.I whereby L_0 initial inductivity, c proportional constant and I current through the core. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 27 09:30:25 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id JAA24087; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 09:28:48 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 09:28:48 -0700 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 09:29:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708271629.JAA03474@pop1.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: szdanq@peseta.ucdavis.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dan Quickert Subject: Re: bucking bifilar scalars Resent-Message-ID: <"2HC_L3.0.Gu5._M51q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/271 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Fred, [snip] >The "absurd" idea of two currents going in opposite directions in a single >wire elicits an interesting idea for me though.. [snip] Yes, an interesting question. Say Fred, when you studied Geometry, did you take particular interest in tangents? ;-) Dan From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 27 09:53:18 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id JAA27086; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 09:51:40 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 09:51:40 -0700 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 09:51:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708271651.JAA04892@pop1.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: szdanq@peseta.ucdavis.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dan Quickert Subject: Re: bucking bifilar scalars Resent-Message-ID: <"cEQ-L1.0.4d6.Ri51q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/272 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Fred Epps wrote: >Here's another thought experiment, which I think is clearer than the other >one: >Two single loops of wire over a noninductive coil form. The loops are >connected to separate current sources and the currents are equal and >opposite in direction. At first the loops are some distance away from each >other, then they are moved closer until they are touching. The L of each >can be measured separately. Would you say from your experimental evidence >that there is some distance between the loops where destructive >interference begins? Can you quantify what that distance is (you can >define the wire type, loop size, etc. any way you like). Yes! That gets to my central question: how far away can the opposed-current windings be and still 'cancel' mag fields? Maybe it depends on wire size and other geometrical aspects, but for a given physical set it should be quantifiable. As Fred says, though, that experiment might be a tad hard to measure due to the small inductance. How about taking any size bifilar, and slowly stretching it out so that there is more distance between the windings, measuring along the way? Dan From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 27 09:58:55 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id JAA16724; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 09:57:55 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 09:57:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: bfox@istar.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 09:56:04 -0700 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: bfox@istar.ca (Byrun Fox) Subject: Re: Zenon shortfall on Earth Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: <"OoY2d1.0.C54.Do51q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/273 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Dear Fred: I have the feeling that you are on to something guite interesting. If you would forward those references, I would like to see them. Sincerely, Byrun. > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 27 11:53:13 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id LAA00964; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 11:52:21 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 11:52:21 -0700 (PDT) From: HLafonte@aol.com Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 14:50:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970827144809_-2104985049@emout15.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Drawing of switching in spin balance system Resent-Message-ID: <"iUcXM2.0.wE.QT71q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/274 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Anyone wanting drawings of the switching system in the balance section of the spin balance system generator, and discription of operation, send request to me at hlafonte@aol.com Drawing will be attached in gif file to email. Thanks, Butch From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 27 11:59:18 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id LAA02075; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 11:58:39 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 11:58:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708271855.LAA24750@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: "Tameer Hohnsbein" , , "Dieter Bauer" Subject: Re: Message to Fred Epps Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 11:59:31 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01BCB2E0.AD755EA0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"_77rK2.0.KW.PZ71q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/275 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01BCB2E0.AD755EA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Dieter, > >I have a list of refs for other similar articles employing a variety of > >approaches and producing several elements. If any of the CF people want > >these I can provide them. > > It would be a big service if you make a list of references under this point > of view. I have done so on vortex. If Rich Murray agrees, he will have the 3 articles I have and can send them to interested people. > > I read your parametric transformer post as well and, sorry, I do not see > the possibility that this will work because your proposal is completely > symmetric. Yes, this is possible. It is under test. > I think a better possibility to show overunity effects with parametric > inductivities is if you generate a negative hysteresis of the inductivity > (B/H diagram) by switching the iron by current (acc. to your Nature > article reference): if you load the coil you let flow the current through > the core as well. Then you switch off the current through the core you get > a voltage and a current spike. Then you discharge the coil again. After > solving the DLG stepwise you can calculate the spent energies at all > resistors and you can compare it with the work delivered by the battery. > You should see a difference due to the non- constant inductivity ! I agree this is a good approach. This is what I believe is going on in the Coler coils. The nature of the material is what is critical here. Apparently an allloy of 35-50 % nickel, and iron, is best. This interestingly is also the range of alloy that gives the highest Barkhasuen noise. In addition, Barkhasuen noise is suppressed with core currents. There are many interesting connections between the idea of using thermal fluctations in magnetic domains for power and using nonlinear inductive effects. I have designed what I call a "magnetic diode". It consists of a rectangular piece of Invar transformer lamination with a narrow "waist" (drawing is attached). A magnetic field and a current both pass through the waist. When the current is switched on the field lines are pushed to the outside edge of the waist. In addition there is the nonlinear effect of the nickel-iron alloy which appears to block the field even more (how? I do not understand the highly technical papers on material science I have on this). Basically this device allows for the switching of a magnetic field off and on with a small current. It can be used in flux-switching devices or for many other uses. It may be applicable to your scheme above. > This is the concept to follow the problem in a numerical calculation. I do > not know whether simulation programs like PSPICE are able to handle the > non-linear conductivities and can calculate the thermic losses at the > resistors for this scientific purpose. > I guess that my proposal is better suited for demonstration than solving > the DLG for a Coler like circuit which should exhibit self excitated > oscillation due to the non-constant mu if you find numerically the correct > parameters regimes and if Coler was right . Oh, Coler was right, but I agree, the system is too complex to model and therefore building is haphazard and guesswork. > For the inductivity the most easy approach is (like Larry Wharton suggested > it already) to describe it by a linear approach : L=L_0 + c.I > whereby L_0 initial inductivity, c proportional constant and I current > through the core. I have papers with the experimentally confirmed mathematical relations if you want. 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Wed, 27 Aug 1997 12:22:33 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"MS3eG2.0.se1.F381q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/276 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi Dan > Yes, an interesting question. Say Fred, when you studied Geometry, did > you take particular interest in tangents? ;-) The IQ test I had to take scored me lowest in mechanical abilities and spatial relationships, According to it I would make a good poet :-) Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 27 13:36:44 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id NAA15880; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 13:36:06 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 13:36:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve_Kirkman_at_BI-USA@astec.com Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 14:28:11 -0700 Encoding: 13 Text To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, Antigravity@primenet.com Subject: File Conversion, Help! Message-Id: <97Aug27.141513pdt.23073@firewall.astec.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"mHqUy2.0.1u3.o-81q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/277 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi All, I'm trying to learn as much as I can about scalars. I recently downloaded Whittaker's 1903 and 1904 papers on scalars from an FTP site. My problem is they are in postscript and eqn/troff formats. Does anyone know where I can find software that will read and print these formats? How about converting to Word for Windows, anything available? Any help will be much appreciated! TIA Steve Kirkman From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 27 14:00:41 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id OAA10569; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 14:00:04 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 14:00:04 -0700 Message-Id: <199708272059.NAA12102@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: "vortex" , "Free Energy" Subject: Old Transmutation papers Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 14:05:54 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Gr36_.0.va2.IL91q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/278 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi Rich, Dieter, Byrun, and all, I am posting the old papers on transmutation of elements in spark discharges to Joe Champion and he will kindly put them on his web site. There are three now and probably will be more after another trip to the library. Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 27 14:19:57 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id OAA22936; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 14:19:09 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 14:19:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <01BCB33F.B545E6E0@art.xs4all.nl> From: Pete Art To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: RE: File Conversion, Help! Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 23:19:35 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"58LO81.0.Fc5.8d91q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/279 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi, I use gostview. Do a search on GSVIEW32.EXE. Gostview will display postscriptfiles and let you print then on a normal printer. If you encounter any problems let me know. Cheers, Pete ---------- From: Steve_Kirkman_at_BI-USA@astec.com[SMTP:Steve_Kirkman_at_BI-USA@astec.com] Sent: woensdag 27 augustus 1997 21:28 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com; Antigravity@primenet.com Subject: File Conversion, Help! Hi All, I'm trying to learn as much as I can about scalars. I recently downloaded Whittaker's 1903 and 1904 papers on scalars from an FTP site. My problem is they are in postscript and eqn/troff formats. Does anyone know where I can find software that will read and print these formats? How about converting to Word for Windows, anything available? Any help will be much appreciated! TIA Steve Kirkman From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 27 14:42:09 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id OAA17606; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 14:41:47 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 14:41:47 -0700 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01BCB33F.B545E6E0@art.xs4all.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 15:24:47 -0700 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: "Ken G. Brown" Subject: RE: File Conversion, Help! Resent-Message-ID: <"edP3H2.0._I4.Qy91q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/280 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >Hi, >I use gostview. Do a search on GSVIEW32.EXE. >Gostview will display postscriptfiles and let you print then on a normal >printer. >If you encounter any problems let me know. > >Cheers, >Pete > >---------- >From: > Steve_Kirkman_at_BI-USA@astec.com[SMTP:Steve_Kirkman_at_BI-USA@astec.com] >Sent >: woensdag 27 augustus 1997 21:28 >To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com; Antigravity@primenet.com >Subject: File Conversion, Help! > > Hi All, > > I'm trying to learn as much as I can about scalars. I recently > downloaded Whittaker's 1903 and 1904 papers on scalars from an FTP > site. My problem is they are in postscript and eqn/troff formats. > Does anyone know where I can find software that will read and print > these formats? How about converting to Word for Windows, anything > available? > > Any help will be much appreciated! > > TIA > Steve Kirkman From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 27 15:36:15 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id PAA27081; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 15:35:39 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 15:35:39 -0700 Message-Id: <3404AB9E.2526@tu-bs.de> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 00:35:10 +0200 From: Tameer Hohnsbein Reply-To: T.Hohnsbein@tu-bs.de Organization: Technische Universität Braunschweig X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold [de] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "freenrg-l@eskimo.com" , Fred Epps Subject: Magnetic Diode (was: Re: Message to Fred Epps) References: <199708271855.LAA24750@mail1.halcyon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"u403r2.0.2d6.wkA1q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/281 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi Fred, > > > I have designed what I call a "magnetic diode". It consists of a > rectangular piece of Invar transformer lamination with a narrow "waist" > (drawing is attached). A magnetic field and a current both pass through > the waist. When the current is switched on the field lines are pushed to > the outside edge of the waist. In addition there is the nonlinear effect > of the nickel-iron alloy which appears to block the field even more (how? I > do not understand the highly technical papers on material science I have on > this). Basically this device allows for the switching of a magnetic field > off and on with a small current. It can be used in flux-switching devices > or for many other uses. It may be applicable to your scheme above. > I remember that you mentioned this idea some time ago. I just found it again among a big stack of paper I still haven't worked trough. It's a great idea, and for it doesn't vanish again I immediatedly slaughtered an old transformer core to do some testing. I don't know what alloy the transformer was made of, but I think there has an effect to be mesurable anyway. Will be an exciting night... :-) Did you already test it ? > > I guess that my proposal is better suited for demonstration than solving > > the DLG for a Coler like circuit which should exhibit self excitated > > oscillation due to the non-constant mu if you find numerically the > correct > > parameters regimes and if Coler was right . > > Oh, Coler was right, but I agree, the system is too complex to model and > therefore building is haphazard and guesswork. > > > For the inductivity the most easy approach is (like Larry Wharton > suggested > > it already) to describe it by a linear approach : L=L_0 + c.I > > whereby L_0 initial inductivity, c proportional constant and I current > > through the core. > > I have papers with the experimentally confirmed mathematical relations if > you want. I am very much interested in these papers. Please, can you send me a copy too (scan it and e-mail?) ? > It will have to be next week as I am reaching critical mass with papers > flying in every direction! :-o > Don't hurry, I have to make place for them first ;-) Best regards Tameer -- Tameer Hohnsbein, Hagenring 80, 38106 Braunschweig, Germany E-Mail: T.Hohnsbein@tu-bs.de phone : ++49 531 / 335348 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 27 15:49:16 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id PAA28979; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 15:48:57 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 15:48:57 -0700 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 17:47:48 -0500 (CDT) From: Zack Widup Subject: Re: bucking bifilar scalars To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: <199708271931.MAA22691@mail1.halcyon.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"5ZV8o1.0.d47.NxA1q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/282 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Wed, 27 Aug 1997, Fred Epps wrote: > Hi Dan > > > > Yes, an interesting question. Say Fred, when you studied Geometry, did > > you take particular interest in tangents? ;-) > > The IQ test I had to take scored me lowest in mechanical abilities and > spatial relationships, > According to it I would make a good poet :-) > > > Fred > > He couldn't determine which way up or down, Which left him most usually wearing a frown, He finally pitched out that old IQ test, And bought him a compass and then headed west! Sorry, I couldn't resist! Zack From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 27 16:19:13 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id QAA06321; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 16:18:38 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 16:18:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <01BCB347.330A6360@que1-p11.telepac.pt> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ant=F3nio_Vilela?= To: "'Lista de Free Energy'" Subject: Listserver on scalars? Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 00:13:18 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"UfdxR.0.dY1.BNB1q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/284 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hello everyone, Does anyone know if there is any mailing list on scalar waves? Thanks, Antonio Vilela. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 27 16:25:35 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id QAA02579 for bilb@eskimo.com; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 16:25:33 -0700 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 16:25:33 -0700 X-Envelope-From: robert@skylink.net Wed Aug 27 16:25:32 1997 Received: from skylink.skylink.net (skylink.skylink.net [206.25.34.2]) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA02561 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 16:25:31 -0700 Received: from skylink.skylink.net (ppp181.max3.las-vegas.nv.skylink.net [207.49.184.181]) by skylink.skylink.net (8.8.5/4.1.4) with SMTP id QAA21552; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 16:25:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3404B67C.4561@skylink.net> Old-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 16:21:32 -0700 From: Robert Stirniman X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steve_Kirkman_at_BI-USA@astec.com CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, Antigravity@primenet.com Subject: Re: [Antigravity] File Conversion, Help! References: <97Aug27.141513pdt.23073@firewall.astec.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Diagnostic: Not on the accept list X-Envelope-To: freenrg-l Status: RO X-Status: Steve_Kirkman_at_BI-USA@astec.com wrote: > I'm trying to learn as much as I can about scalars. I recently > downloaded Whittaker's 1903 and 1904 papers on scalars from an FTP > site. My problem is they are in postscript and eqn/troff formats. > Does anyone know where I can find software that will read and print > these formats? How about converting to Word for Windows, anything > available? I've spent hours trying to decode these from the same site, with no luck. Does anyone know how to do it, or have these in hard copy. Regards, Robert Stirniman From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 27 16:35:05 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id PAA30736; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 15:58:24 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 15:58:24 -0700 X-Sender: rmuha@mail Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199708261833.LAA03045@mail1.halcyon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 18:58:08 -0400 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: ralph muha Subject: Re: Capacitance of noninductive coils (Was Tesla Patent512,340) Resent-Message-ID: <"TIjiv1.0.9W7.F4B1q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/283 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 2:04 PM -0400 8/26/97, Fred Epps wrote: >[...] > >I think by your answer you're not seeing the same thing I am.. I'm talking >about something that hasn't been made yet, a "noninductive" coil made with >minimal capacitance as well. If the inductance of a well made noninductive >coil approaches zero, then of course it is below u. We can assume it is but since the bifilar coil is only non-inductive when the windings are properly connected (eg, shorted at one end), doesn't that eliminate (almost totally) any capacitance between the windings as well? r From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 27 16:56:33 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id QAA09211; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 16:55:58 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 16:55:58 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970827185657.006a6960@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 18:56:57 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: Re: Capacitance of noninductive coils (Was Tesla Patent512,340) In-Reply-To: References: <199708261833.LAA03045@mail1.halcyon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"fgmvb2.0.qF2.DwB1q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/285 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 18:58 8/27/97 -0400, Ralph wrote: >but since the bifilar coil is only non-inductive when the windings are >properly connected (eg, shorted at one end), doesn't that eliminate >(almost totally) any capacitance between the windings as well? The windings look like a shorted transmission line actually. Best Regards, JD ---------------------------------------------------- "Somewhere between anticipation and nostalgia we should have been happy." -Too Much Coffee Man #1 E-mail to mules@palacenet.net ---------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 27 16:57:09 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id QAA09394; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 16:56:52 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 16:56:52 -0700 Message-ID: <3404E7B8.2B53@tiac.net> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 19:51:36 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: New game, Scalar detection and generation References: <01BCB2B5.B009FAC0@art.xs4all.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"s2DZN.0.gI2.3xB1q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/286 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Pete Art wrote: > > Hello Bob and all, > > Im just about to finish the Barkhausen detector and hook it up on > the scope/spectrum analyzer/PC this weekend. > Also the electrostatic gradiometer will be there, the output goes to > a double Y-(t) paper logger. The Gradiometer is a very dynamic device, needed nearly constant adjustment. Recording it's output, independant of the bias adjustments may not be very significant. Rick Wall has a much improved Gradiometer front end that may be better suited for this application. > Before I start experimenting a few questions: > > If I send a fast pulse through or modulate a bifilair coil arrangement > will the amplitude of the detected signal depent on the physical(3d) > distance between the 'transmitter' and detector? Amplitude appears to effect the degree of coupling between the scalar product and other objects, including detectors. Scalars do not follow the inverse square law that is valid for spherical wave front emitters such as EM dipoles. The amplitude of the detected signal is not a simple function of the distance from the scalar source, partly due to the highly non-linear response of the Barkhausen Effect detector, and also because we are not bound by the inverse square law. > If not (action at a 'distance'), than other detectors might also detect this > signal. In that case it would be a good idea to report the time (in GMT) > of generation of this signal on a web-page so other researchers can > correlate their data. Good idea, but look at all the stuff your detector will find out there. How can we know which detection events are the result of specific experiments, unless we construct organized patterns on scalar events, rather like ham radio 'CW' communications. > Bob, what about the so called 'time delay' you mention ("The detected signals > after an artificially generated pulse can often be significant, and should be > recorded"). Do you mean that the 'original' signal can (again) be seen after a > certain period of time or that natural dynamic scalar fields change their state > and produce a change in the scalar interference with the detector? Oooh, you have been doing your homework! I like this game. Its not a matter of a time delay. The signals detected after you artificially generate large pulses may be observed to have very different timings and patterns. This suggests that they are from another source, origin unknown. (thats my story, and I'm 'schtickin' to it.) > Below are some of Bob's remarks which I think are significant: > E-mail: "ATG's BiPEG vs. Jean-Louis's TEP!" Tue, 19 Aug 1997 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -This suggests that not only must the two bifilar currents be equal in > magnetude and phase, but that we should also have an electrostatic > ballance across the bifilar coils. To acheive this, we should adopt > bipolar power supplies rather than the single ended configurations that > are currently used in the BiPEG and TEP designs. > > - To efficiently convert a scalar potential into EM power, we should use > two such (electrostatically) ballanced bifilar coils, driven such that > the points of maximum scalar potential are 180 degrees out of phase. > > - Because the scalar product of a single bifilar coil is at twice the > frequency of the EM input (due to their being two points of maximum > potential per EM cycle!) we need to be aware that 180 degrees of the > scalar product is only 90 degrees of the original EM input wave. > > - As one bifilar coil reaches maximum opposed potentials, the other will > be at minimum, so we have a vector (EM power!) between these coils. > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Question to all: WILL THE LIGHT GO ON in the following setup: > Wind 2 bifilair coils around two piles of stacked permanent magnets, pile (1) having N-S-S-N-N-S-S-N and pile (2) having S-N-N-S-S-N-N-S , seal the piles/coils with metal foil, connect the foil of coil(1) to a capacitor charged with high voltage(+) and the foil of the second coil(2) to the other end of the capacitor(-) (high voltage made by a Wimhurst machine or HV-powersupply from a xerox), wind 2 normal coils around the piles(Faraday-cage principle does not apply with scalars), connect these 2 > Now send 2 EM waves, using bipolar power supplies, in the bifilair coils being 180 degrees out of phase. Why stack the magnets in this manner? Why have magnets at all? There is no clear point to this I can see. I've never tested anything quite like this whole arangement, so I'll decline to guess what might happen, but.... Just shield two bifilars with foil, no need for a bias. Ground the foil, or used a good Faraday cage for each. Pump the two bifilars, and place a conventional coil between them. Note any signals produced in the conventional coil. Now pump either bifilar alone, and note no signal is produced in the conventional coil. This suggests that only the interference between the scalar products (Faraday cages, etc.) is responsible for the signals observed in the conventional coil. Forget stacking magnets in opposition, it is not a scalar condition. > Anyway I will build the TEP's and make measurements. Let's see what's in there........... > > Cheers and happy experimenting, > Pete Art > > P.S. Bob, how are the schematics for the super-regenerative detector doing? Very slowly, I've not finished ripping the board out of the shielding, its packed very tightly. I work on laptop computers, and have bad habbit of making things too damn small for my own good. I will try to complete them over the long weekend thoough. But thanks for keeping me honest, and on my toes too! A most interesting game indeed! I hope you win. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 27 17:11:33 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id RAA12793; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 17:11:08 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 17:11:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708280001.RAA13716@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: "Free Energy" Subject: The inertial tap Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 17:07:01 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01BCB30B.A277BEA0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"p4geI2.0.g73.M8C1q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/287 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01BCB30B.A277BEA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Folks! Well, the list is fairly slow so I don't feel too bad about taking up the BW for my Mad Scientist idea of the week. It is closely based on the work of Jean-louis, and study of the Koenig coil, as well as our discussions of bifilar/scalar coils on the list. It is so simple that it is either obviously wrong, or obviously right. Take a look at my little picture. L1, L2, and L3 are coils with the same number of windings, on the same air core. L1 and L2 are reverse wound from each other but in close proximity, while L3 is wound the same as one of the others (it doesn't matter which). L1 and L2 are connected so that currents induced in them are additive, so they act as a single winding as far as their inductive output is concerned. On the other hand the windings are reversed from each other, so that the magnetic fields generated by any current flowing in them will be "cancelled". It is assumed that the pitch of the windings is low and that the wires are very close so that the two windings approximate the zero magnetic output of a true bifilar. If L3 is energized with a sine wave, say from my tank circuit shown here, an EMF is induced in both L1 and L2 going in the same direction. These EMFs are additive so they result in a circulating current in the output tank circuit. Now what happens to the magnetic field of this circulating current, the field that would normally induce a back EMF in L3 ? THERE IS NONE because although the currents are going in the same direction in one sense, in another sense they are generating opposed magnetic fields and by their close proximity these fields are cancelling. As Bob and Peter have been saying, geometry and vector cancellation are key. If there is no back EMF then of course the losses in the primary (L3) are limited to coil resistance, and the power input need be only large enough to compensate for those losses. The output on the other hand will be similar to that of a normal transformer of this type. (There is no reason why these coils cannot be wound over a LINEAR magnetic material for greater output) Where does the extra energy come from? I will speculate that it comes from the inertial force, which is essentially a nonlocalized force created by either the ZPE or Mach's principle, depending on your theory. Normally this force is always in a balanced or cancelled position so it cannot be utilized as a source of power. In my gadget this balance is removed and the inertial force appears as what it really is, an ACTIVE force. 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X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Jean (and all) I'm very confussed with your new experiment. I only can see this two points about power reduction on the drive unit: 1. If there are no load, only is the capacitance between the two wires of the bifilar coil (loses). 2. If a load is applied, the capacitance is discharged, and the loses are lower. Where the power come from if the bifilar coil is open? Vicente. -- Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga E-mail: vramos@ctv.es Home Page: http://www.ctv.es/USERS/vramos/home.htm Burriana (Castellon) SPAIN From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 27 17:13:23 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id RAA13164; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 17:13:03 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 17:13:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 10:11:32 +1000 Message-Id: <199708280011.KAA24152@nornet.nor.com.au> X-Sender: openway@pophost.nor.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Peter Nielsen Subject: Re: blatantly babbling scalars Resent-Message-ID: <"bMDYL.0.XD3.8AC1q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/289 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >> Am I wrong in thinking that the physical difference between a bucking coil >> and a "bifilar" coil is the distance between the wires in the two coils? > >This is not a simple thing at all, it is very odd in terms of >conventional theory. This is why a new set of extensions to >conventional theory are needed. > Was that an answer? >> (Note I am not discussing field strengths here, ONLY proximity.) >> If there is a point where scalars predominate or are the only output, then >> there must either be: >> 1) A distance where the product of the coil is mixed scalars and vectors. >> OR >> 2) A radical discontinuity where all vector production stops and all scalar >> production begins. > >Part of the confusion may be due to the fact that we cannot perform this >experiment in reality > Really? Tell us why not. >Lets stick to what works, and what does not. It's much simpler to >discuss and test. > Frankly, this sounds a bit like a retro mindset. Let's forget about who's the "authority" and address the basic inconsistencies that exist in saying that generation of scalars can have no gradient function. >> If I have a box and I say there are scalars inside the box, can I also say >> there are vectors (EM waves/particles) in the box? > >Not really. We can say that some configurations of scalars form >vectors, and that some configurations of vectors can yeild scalars. > Bob, this is totally in oppositon to your earlier posts. Such as, "Scalar vectors is an oxymoron. How can you polarize something with no vector?" I think we deserve an explanation. >> If the two are interconvertible and can exist in the same space, then it >> seems necessary to say that there can be different proportions of the two >> "things" in one "place". Note I am not defining what the things ARE. > >We are getting a bit deep here, but we CAN have vectors impressed on >scalar carriers, and also have scalars riding on EM carriers, but this >has little to do with the fendemental differnences between vectors and >scalars, or the production of scalars in the first place. > Deep? For whom? This is exactly what we are talking about. I suppose, after what you have said previously, you are hestiant to tell us exactly _how_ these vectoral components are produced. Is the "game over" or have you just run out of change? Peter Nielsen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 27 17:17:11 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id RAA13574; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 17:16:38 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 17:16:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: rmuha@mail Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970827185657.006a6960@palacenet.net> References: <199708261833.LAA03045@mail1.halcyon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 20:14:57 -0400 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: ralph muha Subject: Re: Capacitance of noninductive coils (Was Tesla Patent512,340) Resent-Message-ID: <"BBacv1.0.zJ3.WDC1q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/290 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 7:56 PM -0400 8/27/97, Jack DeMule wrote: > >The windings look like a shorted transmission line actually. > which brings us to my next question, which is, would a signal thru a shorted transmission line (given sufficiently close proximity between the conductors) generate a scalar? r From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 27 17:25:54 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id RAA14908; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 17:24:37 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 17:24:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3404EDD2.5CCB@tiac.net> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 20:17:38 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: bucking bifilar scalars References: <199708270458.VAA31647@mail1.halcyon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"yI3vB.0.le3.mKC1q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/291 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Fred Epps wrote: > > Hi Bob and all, > > > > > To answer the question as best I can, bucking coils are a case where we > > have the flux around each conductor adding constructivly. The high curl > > flux loops around each conductor add to form a larger, but lower curl > > "macropole" field, the conventional electromagnet field. > > The way I picture the output of these coils in a naive sort of way is two > magnetic fields pressing against each other without the fields subtracting > from each other's strength. I wouldn't sat they "add" but they don't > subtract from each other. Remember the posts where it was (I by think Greg Watson?) pointed out that the flux density between opposed magnet faces his higher than it is between aiding magnet faces? Thats adding in my book. > > A bifilar coil with opposed (and equal) current flows in each winding > > (confusingly called the opposed bifilar case) has destructive > > interference between the flux loops around each conductor, while still > > in the high curl condition, which precludes the formation of the > > "macropole" field. > > This is understood, the question is Where. Macro and micro are evocative > terms but they do not really mean anything to me in this situation. what > is micro to a magnetic field? 'Micro' and 'macro' are relative to the scale of the experiment. Micro fields are the loops around each conductor, while macro fields are the large fields around whole coils which resemble the field of a permanent magnet. > Here's another thought experiment, which I think is clearer than the other > one: > Two single loops of wire over a noninductive coil form. The loops are > connected to separate current sources and the currents are equal and > opposite in direction. At first the loops are some distance away from each > other, then they are moved closer until they are touching. The L of each > can be measured separately. Would you say from your experimental evidence > that there is some distance between the loops where destructive > interference begins? Can you quantify what that distance is (you can > define the wire type, loop size, etc. any way you like). As we bring these loops into proximity, the flux will simply be repelled, and be expressed on the side of the loop opposite the opposing loop. We fail to prevent EM expression of the potentials, and no significant translation will result in theory. But by all means, test it! > > This is why I very strongly perfer to leave theory to those with the > > proper background. I'm and Engineer, I can design and construct actual > > test scenarios to gather emperical data about a theory. By doing this, > > I try to develop a gut feel for what works, and what does not work. My > > understanding of theory is intimately tied to the actual experimental > > situations. > > That's exactly what I'm trying to do. Although I am a (sort-of) theorist, > my eye is always on the prize of O/U. Not being an experimenter, I am > relying on you to impart your gut feeling about what works to me so I can > incorporate it into my next crazy idea. > > > > The differnece is not scale, nor distance, but one of geometery. > > Bucking coils perform constructive interfernece between adjecent > > conductors, "opposed bifilars" have destructive interference between > > adjecent conductors. These are totally different cases. > > the phrase "constructive interference" is hard for me to mentally connect > to a situation where magnetic fields are pushing up against each other like > N-N, S-S, although it is technically correct. I think this the problem > with the bucking fields case. In our minds, we refer the situation to two > opposing fields, and translate that to field CANCELLATION. You rightly say > that field opposition isn't the same as field cancellation. You got it right there Fred! This is the 'hard to get' part of scalar theory. We get 'weak' from using the crutches of EM theory alone. It takes a bit of practice, but you'll get used to doing without them soon enough. > > Bifilars have adjecent conductors with opposed current flows, but > > bucking coils have aiding current flows. > > This is also easy to misinterpret, what I hear you saying (as a > psychobabblist would say :-) is that ALTHOUGH THE TWO BUCKING COIL CURRENTS > ARE IN OPPOSITE DIRECTIONS, the current flows in EACH COIL are aiding. "What i hear you say"? Geez, Seattle is bit too close to California eh? I was describing the directions of current flows in physically adjecent windings. Opposite in the "opposed bifilar" case, but adjecent windings in each coil in the bucking coil case have current flowing in the same direction. So yes, "in EACH COIL" is correct! > This is not scale, its > > geometery in my book, but again, my understanding is based on > > observation rather than theroy. > > I would not use the word scale, I would use the word proximity. To me > proximity is a part of geometry. See my new thought experiment above. I'll buy this perspective Fred. But your experiment does not preclude vector expression of the potentials on the side opposite the opposing coil. (nag nag nag) > > Part of the confusion may be due to the fact that we cannot perform this > > experiment in reality, so why should it make sense at all? > > > > Lets stick to what works, and what does not. It's much simpler to > > discuss and test. > > > > The coils would have to be of different diameters, and this fails to > > describe the bifilar case. The experiment is not possible as > > described. "Close enough" is just not close enough. > > I agree with your critique of my first thought experiment, you're right, it > is nonphysical. > My second experiment satisfies all of these objections as far as I can > tell. Are there any reasons why this cannot be tested? It can, and should be tested, but its not the same as a bifilar case, as we have not plugged all the holes EM will try to escape through. > I can think of only two-- the L of a single loop is hard to measure, and > the presence of a real wire with a finite diameter and a magnetic field on > both sides may have some impact, although I'm not sure what. Gotcha Fred, you gotta read that old Bearden stuff! > I have been thinking for some time it would be good to have a typology of > coils. we have a whole hodgepodge of kinds of coils infesting the list and > when people use the terms, it seems usually only they know exactly which > coil they are referring to. Excellent idea! The hard part is selecting the right parameters to classify them by, as EM theory alone will not do the job well enough any longer. > This would be distinct from the Scalar FAQ which of course you are skipping > meals and sleep time to finish after using up all your time kindly replying > to the peanut gallery here :-) Jean-Louis has slowed to only one invention per week from his usual two or three, but he's got a FAQ on his web site. I've been dug deep into this scalar stuff for more than a decade now, its very rewarding to see the level of interest shown here recently! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 27 17:30:28 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id RAA17713; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 17:29:59 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 17:29:59 -0700 Message-Id: <199708280029.RAA13139@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: Capacitance of noninductive coils (Was Tesla Patent512,340) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 17:21:45 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ISSKJ2.0.bK4.5QC1q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/292 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > > > >I think by your answer you're not seeing the same thing I am.. I'm talking > >about something that hasn't been made yet, a "noninductive" coil made with > >minimal capacitance as well. If the inductance of a well made noninductive > >coil approaches zero, then of course it is below u. We can assume it is > > but since the bifilar coil is only non-inductive when the windings are > properly connected (eg, shorted at one end), doesn't that eliminate > (almost totally) any capacitance between the windings as well? > I'm not sure about that. If you are thinkng of a bifilar coil as a sort of transmission line, as I am in reference to FTL energies, you would have to consider the capacitance per unit length as well as the total capacitance. Besides the oscillating or ringing behavior of Jean-louis' and Hamdi's coils shows there is plenty of capacitance actually there in the real situation. You HAVE pointed out an important difference between a bifilar coil made of two windings with separate currents through them and a single "folded" winding. Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 27 17:40:24 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id RAA17645; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 17:39:54 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 17:39:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3404F183.2E7C@tiac.net> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 20:33:23 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Scalar arcade game HERE! References: <199708270700.RAA23433@nornet.nor.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"jX7g7.0.bJ4.MZC1q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/293 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Peter Nielsen wrote: > > >My question is are these results vector electromagnetic fields, or > >scalars? > > > >Are you suggesting that we get some combination of both? > > > > Without going into more detail, I see the basic question here is whether or > not a scalar field can have an intensity gradient. If so, it implies that it > can be manipulated the same as any other field. You yourself have mentioned > that EM derives from two scalars. How can this occur according to the > interpretation you have been putting forth? We need to go into a good deal more detail. Scalars do not seem to propogate like EM waves, their 'speed' has been reported to be highly variable, but it may be more correct to describe them as having additional degrees of freedom than EM waves show. This gets thick fast, so here's anther way to think about this: What about a difference of intensity between two scalars? Thats your vector, right? > >Can you explain why bucking coils do not produce the same results in > >scalar detectors as bifilar coils if some fraction of the energy is > >translated into a scalar form? Its not a linear function, thats why Beaden explains that we must supress all EM experssion of the opposed potentials for scalar production. > >Hmmm, in the bucking coil case, the magnetic flux in conserved, but in > >the bifilar case, this is not the case at all. It is true that there is > >some EM left, but only that due to stray inductance. > > > > Straying from where? Not the coil I hope ;-) Well, lets think about this. The coil IS still a conductor, with current flowing, so it must have some distributed inductance seperate from that normally due to the windings, right? So there will still be some field present, even though we have suppressed the fields within the coil itself. There are also the leads to and from the coil, and these have fields associated with the current flow. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 27 17:45:16 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id RAA18436; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 17:44:41 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 17:44:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3404F29E.2485@tiac.net> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 20:38:06 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: bucking bifilar scalars References: <199708270700.RAA23428@nornet.nor.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"7_A7i1.0.uV4.pdC1q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/294 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Peter Nielsen wrote: > > >Right. That would be an easy test. But can we get a good bifilar effect with > >two coils that slide within each other? Or do the 2 windings have to be on > >the same cylindrical surface? > > > > I think we may need to have a fresh look at what is happening between > adjacent conductors. The interaction between two sliding coils and the > opposed windings of an integral bifilar coil is not the same. IMO the > vectors of field cancellation, and their precise superimposition, are the > key. It equates to a polarization of the emitted field, scalar or otherwise. Can you define the polarization of a scalar field? This is an oxymoron. There can be no polarization without direction. > Sketch them out on paper. In the first instance, the plane of cancellation > is at 90 degrees to the coils. In the second, it is axial. This is also the > difference between a bucking a bifilar arrangement. Does anyone have an > alternative view? Yes, I do not agree that there is a "plane of cancellation" in the bifilar case, as we have suppressed the flux loops around each conductor, and the conductors are no confined to a plane. You might also look at the sliding coils from this perspective. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 27 17:51:59 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id RAA19868; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 17:51:24 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 17:51:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3404F436.2090@tiac.net> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 20:44:54 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Scalar arcade game HERE! References: <199708270700.RAA23436@nornet.nor.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"bA5Ql1.0.Ks4.9kC1q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/295 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Peter Nielsen wrote: > > >When we say that a scalar field does not have direction we are stating the > obvious, which is that the value of a scalar field in a particular point in > space is a scalar and therefore has only a "magnitude" and no direction. > That doesn´t mean that the scalar field "in itself" is not polarized or > doesn´t have any spatial orientation. Exactly *WHAT* is polarized then? How do you define this polarization? Action at a distance is not clerly the same thing as propogation. > And the polarization and orientation MUST depend on the emitter/source, > which obviously implies a variablity, at least to some of us. Why "MUST"? Please expand on this concept. > But still no scalar vectors? What happens when two of the above gradients > intersect? I will accept any name at this point. What gradients? If scalars have differing phases, we may yeild vectors, not scalar vectors which by definition simply cannot exist. Lets get past the concept of polarization before we go onto gradients. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 27 18:02:54 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id SAA21801; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 18:02:28 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 18:02:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708280101.SAA26750@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: "Free Energy" Subject: Inertial tap correction Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 17:59:23 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"gDfkv1.0.XK5.XuC1q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/296 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Well, that one didn't last long, I got my current directions mixed up. Oh well nice idea while it lasted... I WARNED you I got a low grade in spatial relations :-\ Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 27 18:03:03 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id SAA24707; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 18:02:38 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 18:02:38 -0700 Message-ID: <3404F723.2D@tiac.net> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 20:57:23 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Listserver on scalars? References: <01BCB347.330A6360@que1-p11.telepac.pt> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"kn3iB3.0.y16.juC1q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/297 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: António Vilela wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > Does anyone know if there is any mailing list on scalar waves? > > Thanks, > Antonio Vilela. > Oh I hope not, I couldn't handle another list servers message traffic! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 27 18:10:21 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id SAA26135; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 18:10:04 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 18:10:04 -0700 Message-ID: <3404F996.2491@motown.lmco.com> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 21:07:50 -0700 From: francis x roarty Reply-To: froarty@motown.lmco.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Capacitance of noninductive coils (Was Tesla Patent512,340) References: <199708280029.RAA13139@mail1.halcyon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"de5hV1.0.8O6.g_C1q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/298 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi, I'm new to the list, havent given up on gravity shielding but have put my superconductors away as most everyone trying to reproduce the Tampere experiments has gotten negative results. I have been reading numerous papers on O/U and weight anomalies and would like to experiment with high K dielectric material - not so much in the dangerously high voltage regions described by T.T. Brown but rather high charge/discharge rates described by J.F. Woodward's paper on Mach's principle. His claim is that an oscilating voltage on a capacitor that is being mechanically vibrated in the g axis and in sync with the peak of the oscilating voltage will exhibit a weight anomaly. He vibrates the capacitor to create 2 equal and opposite values of inertial mass on an uncharged capacitor and then applies the an electrical oscilation to drive the mass-energy density to opposite extremes for the opposite directions of movement. Anyway, my question is if anyone has heard of similar work as I don't want to reinvent the wheel and I would like to know where I could find small quantities of high K dielectrics for sale. Also have a half formed idea of spinning multiple dielectrics through charging and discharging plates connected as part of an lc tank, any suggestions welcome. Frank From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 27 18:18:36 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id SAA27367; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 18:18:13 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 18:18:13 -0700 Message-ID: <3404FAC8.5B8B@tiac.net> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 21:12:56 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: blatantly babbling scalars References: <199708280011.KAA24152@nornet.nor.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"eaIK_.0.Vh6.K7D1q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/299 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Peter Nielsen wrote: > > >> Am I wrong in thinking that the physical difference between a bucking coil > >> and a "bifilar" coil is the distance between the wires in the two coils? > > > >This is not a simple thing at all, it is very odd in terms of > >conventional theory. This is why a new set of extensions to > >conventional theory are needed. > > > > Was that an answer? The bifilar coil has adjecent conductors with opposite current flows, but the bucking coils have current flowing in the same direction. > >Part of the confusion may be due to the fact that we cannot perform this > >experiment in reality > Really? Tell us why not. Can you physically superpose coils of the same diameters? > >Lets stick to what works, and what does not. It's much simpler to > >discuss and test. > > > > Frankly, this sounds a bit like a retro mindset. Let's forget about who's > the "authority" and address the basic inconsistencies that exist in saying > that generation of scalars can have no gradient function. For an "authority", go to Bearden. I only claim direct experience in the field. > >> If I have a box and I say there are scalars inside the box, can I also say > >> there are vectors (EM waves/particles) in the box? > > > >Not really. We can say that some configurations of scalars form > >vectors, and that some configurations of vectors can yeild scalars. > > > > Bob, this is totally in oppositon to your earlier posts. Such as, "Scalar > vectors is an oxymoron. How can you polarize something with no vector?" I > think we deserve an explanation. Translating vectors into scalars, or scalars into vectors has nothing to do with "scalar vectors". I see no opposition here. > >> If the two are interconvertible and can exist in the same space, then it > >> seems necessary to say that there can be different proportions of the two > >> "things" in one "place". Note I am not defining what the things ARE. > > > > >We are getting a bit deep here, but we CAN have vectors impressed on > >scalar carriers, and also have scalars riding on EM carriers, but this > >has little to do with the fendemental differnences between vectors and > >scalars, or the production of scalars in the first place. > > > > Deep? For whom? This is exactly what we are talking about. I suppose, after > what you have said previously, you are hestiant to tell us exactly _how_ > these vectoral components are produced. Not at all, read my posts. I've covered exactly this before. > > Is the "game over" or have you just run out of change? Not by a long shot Peter. Lets go. I need to understand how you can define the polarization of a scalar. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 27 18:19:18 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id SAA27523; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 18:19:05 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 18:19:05 -0700 Message-ID: <3404FAFB.3A85@tiac.net> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 21:13:47 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Capacitance of noninductive coils (Was Tesla Patent512,340) References: <199708261833.LAA03045@mail1.halcyon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"wQeSR3.0.yj6.78D1q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/300 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: ralph muha wrote: > > At 7:56 PM -0400 8/27/97, Jack DeMule wrote: > > > >The windings look like a shorted transmission line actually. > > > which brings us to my next question, which is, would a signal > thru a shorted transmission line (given sufficiently close > proximity between the conductors) generate a scalar? Yes! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 27 18:45:47 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id SAA27728; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 18:45:08 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 18:45:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 20:42:57 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199708280142.UAA22252@dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com> From: rwall@ix.netcom.com (Richard Wayne Wall) Subject: Re: New game, Scalar detection and generation To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Resent-Message-ID: <"oX96B3.0.4n6.SWD1q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/301 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Bob wrote: snip >Rick Wall has a much improved Gradiometer front end that >may be better suited for this application. Bob has a copy of my gradiometer schematic and may freely distribute it or add it to his gradiometer write up on Bill Beaty's www page. RWW From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 27 19:15:25 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id TAA02959; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 19:15:04 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 19:15:04 -0700 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 21:14:22 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199708280214.VAA19300@dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com> From: rwall@ix.netcom.com (Richard Wayne Wall) Subject: Re: blatantly babbling scalars To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Resent-Message-ID: <"gWZmG3.0.4k.cyD1q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/302 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Peter wrote: snip >Bob, this is totally in oppositon to your earlier posts. Such as, >"Scalar vectors is an oxymoron. How can you polarize something with no >vector?" I think we deserve an explanation. Pardon me. Peter, perhaps you should do some rudimentary reading of the citations prvided by Bob and others on this list. Read early Bearden for a clear explanation. Follow it up with Whittaker. I don't think Bob is required to spoon feed all on this list. For the few that will ever really get it, reading is crucial. snip >Deep? For whom? This is exactly what we are talking about. I suppose, >after what you have said previously, you are hestiant to tell us >exactly _how_ these vectoral components are produced. > >Is the "game over" or have you just run out of change? Scalar electrodynamics is a very deep discipline that is totally unintuitive. Most will never get it or they aren't willing to put out the effort to learn it. From your posts it is evident that you don't even have familiarity with basic scalar vocabulary. Again, the admonishment is read the literature and if you are capable of comprehension, the answers to your questions will become quite clear. Then plan your experiments and carry them out. RWW From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 27 19:18:38 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id TAA03628; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 19:18:07 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 19:18:07 -0700 X-Sender: bfox@istar.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 19:17:37 -0700 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: bfox@istar.ca (Byrun Fox) Subject: Re: blatantly babbling scalars Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: <"d-Tg01.0.Zu.T_D1q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/303 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Someone mentioned a more stable front end for the Gradiometer, done by a fellow named Wall. Anybody have the circuit, Thanks in advance, Byrun. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 27 21:44:53 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id VAA25037; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 21:44:39 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 21:44:39 -0700 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 23:43:40 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199708280443.XAA29274@firefly.prairienet.org> From: w9sz@prairienet.org (Zack Widup) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: File Conversion, Help! Reply-To: w9sz@prairienet.org Resent-Message-ID: <"nJfoE2.0.276.s8G1q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/304 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Wed, 27 Aug 1997 Steve_Kirkman_at_BI-USA@astec.com wrote: > Hi All, > > I'm trying to learn as much as I can about scalars. I recently > downloaded Whittaker's 1903 and 1904 papers on scalars from an FTP > site. My problem is they are in postscript and eqn/troff formats. > Does anyone know where I can find software that will read and print > these formats? How about converting to Word for Windows, anything > available? > > Any help will be much appreciated! > > TIA > Steve Kirkman > I have a hard copy of the 1903 Whittaker paper. I could probably also get the 1904 paper from the University of Illinois library. I could scan it if someone would be willing to put it on a website or FTP site. Zack -- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 27 21:59:42 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id VAA19275; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 21:59:01 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 21:59:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 22:53:49 -0600 (MDT) From: "John R. Tooker" To: Zack Widup Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: File Conversion, Help! In-Reply-To: <199708280443.XAA29274@firefly.prairienet.org> Message-Id: Organization: Calgary Free-Net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"AHvhu3.0.4j4.CMG1q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/305 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > I have a hard copy of the 1903 Whittaker paper. I could probably also > get the 1904 paper from the University of Illinois library. I could > scan it if someone would be willing to put it on a website or FTP site. Hi! :) I can make them available on my file page for my time travel page, if you can scan 'em and send 'em to me e-mail. Regards, John From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 27 22:17:54 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id WAA21084; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 22:17:34 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 22:17:34 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 22:16:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708280516.WAA05088@iceland.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: mrandall@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Michael Randall Subject: Re: blatantly babbling scalars Resent-Message-ID: <"BzUuU3.0.L95.fdG1q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/306 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On 09:14 PM 8/27/97 -0500, Richard Wall wrote: >Peter wrote: > >snip > >>Bob, this is totally in oppositon to your earlier posts. Such as, >>"Scalar vectors is an oxymoron. How can you polarize something with no >>vector?" I think we deserve an explanation. > >Pardon me. Peter, perhaps you should do some rudimentary reading of >the citations prvided by Bob and others on this list. Read early >Bearden for a clear explanation. Follow it up with Whittaker. I don't >think Bob is required to spoon feed all on this list. For the few that >will ever really get it, reading is crucial. > >snip Tom Bearden's work in scalar electrodynamics is on the Net in over 9000 sites, one being: http://hsv.com/writers/bearden/tommenu.htm for those who would like to know more about this interesting technology. Regards, Michael Randall From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 27 23:57:24 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id XAA07944; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 23:56:54 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 23:56:54 -0700 X-Sender: bauer_d@mailserver Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 09:01:21 +0100 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: BAUER_D@FHI-Berlin.mpg.de (Dieter Bauer) Subject: Re: Message to Fred Epps Resent-Message-ID: <"9iVdG2.0.1y1.r4I1q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/307 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > >>bla bla bla about Coler coils, overunity theory and differential equations > In my last post (posted by way of Stefan Hartmann) the disclaimer regarding any institution was forgotten. This are my purely private views. Dieter Bauer From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 28 01:24:58 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id BAA15235; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 01:22:57 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 01:22:57 -0700 From: JNaudin509@aol.com Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 04:18:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970828041832_200567817@emout09.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com cc: fepps@mail1.halcyon.com, mrandall@earthlink.net, srae@mlb.planet.gen.nz, mules@palacenet.net, harti@harti.de, bshannon@tiac.net, ddameron@earthlink.net, hamdix@verisoft.com.tr Subject: Re : The inertial tap MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="PART.BOUNDARY.0.8351.emout09.mail.aol.com.872756312" Resent-Message-ID: <"ILnRa3.0.vj3.WLJ1q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/308 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: --PART.BOUNDARY.0.8351.emout09.mail.aol.com.872756312 Content-ID: <0_8351_872756312@emout09.mail.aol.com.1524> Content-type: text/plain On 28/08/1997 02:25:40 , Fred Epps wrote : << Well, the list is fairly slow so I don't feel too bad about taking up the BW for my Mad Scientist idea of the week. It is closely based on the work of Jean-louis, and study of the Koenig coil, as well as our discussions of bifilar/scalar coils on the list. It is so simple that it is either obviously wrong, or obviously right. .... ..... Where does the extra energy come from? I will speculate that it comes from the inertial force, which is essentially a nonlocalized force created by either the ZPE or Mach's principle, depending on your theory. Normally this force is always in a balanced or cancelled position so it cannot be utilized as a source of power. In my gadget this balance is removed and the inertial force appears as what it really is, an ACTIVE force. Fred >> Hi Fred and All, YES FRED THIS DEVICE WORKS WELL, But with little modifications that you will find in the attached document, For instance, I am able to charge two condensators ( 2x220uF/250V) in very short time without affecting consequently the input power. 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1997 05:59:45 -0700 X-Sender: rmuha@mail Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 08:59:34 -0400 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: ralph muha Subject: another Tesla bifilar patent Resent-Message-ID: <"JfUlX2.0.MQ1.0PN1q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/309 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: # 336,961 "Regulator for Dynamo Electric Machines" March 2, 1886 The drawings show a rotor with three brushes that are connected to three different coil configurations. the first is just two coils in series, both wound in the same direction. the second is similar but with one coil counterwound. in the third, there is a 'partial bifilar' winding, the second coil is interleaved with the first, but has fewer turns. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 28 06:19:32 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id GAA08615; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 06:19:15 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 06:19:15 -0700 From: JNaudin509@aol.com Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 09:18:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970828091830_499552811@emout05.mail.aol.com> To: ce3cwf@cmet.net cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re : TEP 4.21 Resent-Message-ID: <"FJT0J2.0.W62.HhN1q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/310 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On 28/08/1997 14:44:44 , you wrote : << C6 is specified 2 uF nF is it 2 uF or 2 nF ? Many thanks Felix >> Hi Felix, This is a 2uF/400V, I have already corrected this typing mistake in my web site... See also : http://members.aol.com/overunity4/html/tepv421.htm Thanks for the input. Jean-Louis Naudin From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 28 07:04:19 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id HAA25891; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 07:03:57 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 07:03:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <340580E0.9FC549C3@ihug.co.nz> Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 01:45:05 +1200 From: John Berry X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: bucking bifilar scalars References: <199708270833.BAA01208@mail1.halcyon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"nrCUE3.0.RK6.9LO1q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/311 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: what would happen if you wound a coil with coax?[Image] would that get rid of the field totaly? Fred Epps wrote: > Hi Peter, > > > > > I think we may need to have a fresh look at what is happening between > > adjacent conductors. The interaction between two sliding coils and the > > opposed windings of an integral bifilar coil is not the same. IMO the > > vectors of field cancellation, and their precise superimposition, are the > > key. It equates to a polarization of the emitted field, scalar or > otherwise. > > > > Sketch them out on paper. In the first instance, the plane of > cancellation > > is at 90 degrees to the coils. In the second, it is axial. This is also > the > > difference between a bucking a bifilar arrangement. Does anyone have an > > alternative view? > > No, I for one agree with this, although I have a question about the word > "precise" here. Taking precise superposition to absurdity, there would be > two currents going in opposite directions in one wire. In this case the > currents would cease to exist (?-- see below). Thus there are TWO boundary > conditions here-- the opposite currents cannot be in the same place, AND > they cannot be too far away from each other, or the "macropoles" (as Bob > calls them) form, and the bucking situation appears. > > The "absurd" idea of two currents going in opposite directions in a single > wire elicits an interesting idea for me though.. > Imagine a loop of wire with two solenoids around it so that a high dV/dT > impulse fed into them will induce a circular current in the wire. Now > suppose the impulses are in opposite directions, one going negative and one > going positive (or alternatively the orientation of the coils is opposed). > The result is that opposite currents are induced into the wire > simultaneously. It is something like a reversal of the noninductive coil > situation, with inductive coils creating a "non-current". The question is, > IS there no current in any sense, or does there still exist some sort of > electrostatic scalar field, A-B effect, or something in this case? An > interesting experiment... > > Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 28 07:33:12 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id HAA28594; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 07:32:48 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 07:32:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3405879E.588F55DE@ihug.co.nz> Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 02:13:50 +1200 From: John Berry X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: bucking bifilar scalars References: <199708270833.BAA01208@mail1.halcyon.com> <340580E0.9FC549C3@ihug.co.nz> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------88C9A617ED0A86FAB449DE28" Resent-Message-ID: <"hSEWE.0.U-6.7mO1q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/312 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------88C9A617ED0A86FAB449DE28 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John Berry wrote: > what would happen if you wound a coil with coax?[Image] > would that get rid of the field totaly? > > Fred Epps wrote: > > > Hi Peter, > > > > > > > > I think we may need to have a fresh look at what is happening between > > > adjacent conductors. The interaction between two sliding coils and the > > > opposed windings of an integral bifilar coil is not the same. IMO the > > > vectors of field cancellation, and their precise superimposition, are the > > > key. It equates to a polarization of the emitted field, scalar or > > otherwise. > > > > > > Sketch them out on paper. In the first instance, the plane of > > cancellation > > > is at 90 degrees to the coils. In the second, it is axial. This is also > > the > > > difference between a bucking a bifilar arrangement. Does anyone have an > > > alternative view? > > > > No, I for one agree with this, although I have a question about the word > > "precise" here. Taking precise superposition to absurdity, there would be > > two currents going in opposite directions in one wire. In this case the > > currents would cease to exist (?-- see below). Thus there are TWO boundary > > conditions here-- the opposite currents cannot be in the same place, AND > > they cannot be too far away from each other, or the "macropoles" (as Bob > > calls them) form, and the bucking situation appears. > > > > The "absurd" idea of two currents going in opposite directions in a single > > wire elicits an interesting idea for me though.. > > Imagine a loop of wire with two solenoids around it so that a high dV/dT > > impulse fed into them will induce a circular current in the wire. Now > > suppose the impulses are in opposite directions, one going negative and one > > going positive (or alternatively the orientation of the coils is opposed). > > The result is that opposite currents are induced into the wire > > simultaneously. It is something like a reversal of the noninductive coil > > situation, with inductive coils creating a "non-current". The question is, > > IS there no current in any sense, or does there still exist some sort of > > electrostatic scalar field, A-B effect, or something in this case? 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(8.8.5/8.6.12) id HAA24434; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 07:44:52 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 07:44:52 -0700 From: Keasy@aol.com Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 10:44:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970828104239_51472992@emout19.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: The inertial tap Resent-Message-ID: <"Y-Njb1.0.hz5.ZxO1q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/313 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Fred, It seems to me that when you connect L1 and L2 so "the currents induced in them are additive", you are in effect just placing L1, L2 in parallel. The fact that one is wound CW and one is CCW is not really a factor because they ar connected so that if you look down the axis of the coil the current in both L1 and L2 is travelling CW (or CCW, whichever the case may be). That's assuming I understand what you are proposing. Ken Keasy@aol.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 28 09:22:19 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id JAA09795; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 09:21:48 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 09:21:48 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <970828104239_51472992@emout19.mail.aol.com> References: Conversation <970828104239_51472992@emout19.mail.aol.com> with last message <970828104239_51472992@emout19.mail.aol.com> Priority: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 To: "Free Energy" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Fred Epps" Subject: Re: The inertial tap Date: Thu, 28 Aug 97 05:15:22 PDT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"4vZVp3.0.tO2.RMQ1q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/314 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: ---------- > > Fred, > It seems to me that when you connect L1 and L2 so "the currents induced in > them are additive", you are in effect just placing L1, L2 in parallel. The > fact that one is wound CW and one is CCW is not really a factor because they > ar connected so that if you look down the axis of the coil the current in > both L1 and L2 is travelling CW (or CCW, whichever the case may be). That's > assuming I understand what you are proposing. > Ken Keasy@aol.com Yes, you're right of course...I sent out a correction message soon after. It was one of those 3 in the morning ideas you really need to sit on for a few days, but ...I didn't :-) Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 28 15:04:54 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id PAA23298; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 15:03:48 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 15:03:48 -0700 (PDT) From: MFergerson@aol.com Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 18:01:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970828175823_-1904608158@emout20.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: loosing your marbles Resent-Message-ID: <"58TV52.0.wh5.1NV1q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/315 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: B. Shannon asked (in re so-called scalar xmtr-rcvr setup): >I assume the sine waves had no significant dV/Dt, that is they were >rather low in frequency and voltage. Is this correct? Yeah, about 8.3V P-P, couple of KHz. Also, in re coil field's action on magnets' fields >The fast rise times of the noise from the motors brushes cause >significant EMI. >You may find that the orientation of the magnets has no effect on the >behavior of this device what so ever. Yeah, dV/dT -> large EMI...actually, what few effects I noted didn't happen with the magnets' poles in non-opposing configuration...confusing as hell...that's where I got the 'shearing effect' idea. Then, >> Incidentally, the thing, when put into a metal box with no holes produced no >> noticeable noise on an AM radio sitting nearby, but did when the box was not >> present (commutator noise, I suspect). >Bingo, its pure EM radiation. Your AM radio should totally ignore a >true scalar product. Well, my point was that whatever the thing was emitting, the radio didn't see it through EMI shielding, but the 'receiver' did. The crucial point: >> The receiver didn't show much of anything above noise level without the >> 'transmitter' running-I can't tell whether this means it is 'blind' to vector >> EM, or just very insensitive. >If it operates correctly while tuned to a radio station, then its just >not all that sensitive, or had some form of ANL, Automatic Noise >Limiter, a common function for CB and aircraft band receivers. Sorry, my mistake. The 'receiver' in this case was meant to be assumed the coil-scope setup. No ANL, no quieting, no nothing. I should mention somewhere in here the thing was not direction-sensitive without the xmtr running, that is, null results no matter where I aimed it. I see others report odd 'scalar' signals, possibly military, but I never saw any. Again, maybe a sensitivity problem. (BTW, how the heck do I 'tune' a bare-butt coil-magnet setup? Magnet size? coil turns?) I should also mention I lost interest in the concept when I failed to note any 'free' signals- I wasn't looking for scalar wave production, but a possible component of your basic FEM, or Free-Energy-Machine. I just don't like moving parts in something that's supposed to give free power (friction, you know). So, where do I find more info on this Bedini thing, anyway? Is it worth the time? Thanks. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 28 15:19:23 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id PAA11204 for bilb@eskimo.com; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 15:19:20 -0700 Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 15:19:20 -0700 X-Envelope-From: arager@mcgraw-hill.com Thu Aug 28 15:19:18 1997 Received: from interlock.mgh.com (interlock.mgh.com [152.159.1.2]) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA11171 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 15:19:15 -0700 From: arager@mcgraw-hill.com Received: by interlock.mgh.com id AA19235 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for freenrg-l@eskimo.com); Thu, 28 Aug 1997 18:19:12 -0400 Message-Id: <199708282219.AA19235@interlock.mgh.com> Received: by interlock.mgh.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 28 Aug 1997 18:19:12 -0400 X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R6.00.02 Old-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 97 16:26:12 -0500 To: , , Subject: Re: [Antigravity] File Conversion, Help! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Diagnostic: Not on the accept list X-Envelope-To: freenrg-l Status: RO X-Status: Hello folks, Postscript -- there is a set of programs called ghostscript and ghostview that will translate postscript and display it on your screen. You can then print it using whatever Windows print driver you currently use. I use Ghostview in Windows NT, but there are also versions that work on 95 and Win 3.1x. If someone will point me to the URL, I will either convert the PS file to a graphic file, or produce some HP PCL output that most any laserjet should be able to handle. enq/Troff -- If you're not a Unixhead, don't even bother with this format. This is a Unix publishing format [I think?]...If you can't get the postscript stuff to work, I can probably configure Linux to read this format. Anton Rager arager@McGraw-Hill.com ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: [Antigravity] File Conversion, Help! Author: at ccnode Date: 8/27/97 2:28 PM We are "In Search Of . . ." answers together. Each posting must reflect personal respect, integrity, honesty, and full disclosure of information. ---------- Hi All, I'm trying to learn as much as I can about scalars. I recently downloaded Whittaker's 1903 and 1904 papers on scalars from an FTP site. My problem is they are in postscript and eqn/troff formats. Does anyone know where I can find software that will read and print these formats? How about converting to Word for Windows, anything available? Any help will be much appreciated! TIA Steve Kirkman ---------- TO LEAVE THE LIST, send a message to: majordomo@primenet.com with the one line message of: unsubscribe antigravity From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 28 15:49:45 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id PAB17086; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 15:49:24 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 15:49:24 -0700 From: rvanspaa@eisa.net.au (Robin van Spaandonk) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: bucking bifilar scalars Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 22:49:01 GMT Organization: Improving Message-ID: <340d2ec7.17731045@mail.eisa.net.au> References: <199708260712.AAA09681@mail1.halcyon.com> <3403C78C.75FF@tiac.net> In-Reply-To: <3403C78C.75FF@tiac.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"pnVeh.0.tA4.p1W1q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/317 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Tue, 26 Aug 1997 23:22:04 -0700, Bob Shannon wrote: [snip] >The differnece is not scale, nor distance, but one of geometery. >Bucking coils perform constructive interfernece between adjecent >conductors, "opposed bifilars" have destructive interference between >adjecent conductors. These are totally different cases. [snip] I think Fred's point is that as two "bucking coils" are combined coaxially, the wires of one coil become "adjacent" to the wires of the other coil. Hence destructive interference between individual wires would appear to become more possible as they are moved closer together. Robin van Spaandonk -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Check out: http://www.eisa.net.au/~rvanspaa for how CF depends on temperature. "....,then he should stop, and he will catch up..." PS - no SPAM thanks! -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 28 15:50:58 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id PAA29059; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 15:50:37 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 15:50:37 -0700 (PDT) From: rvanspaa@eisa.net.au (Robin van Spaandonk) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: bucking bifilar scalars Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 22:48:53 GMT Organization: Improving Message-ID: <340c2bb3.16943143@mail.eisa.net.au> References: <199708262006.NAA27896@sweden.it.earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <199708262006.NAA27896@sweden.it.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Wavcq.0.v57.v2W1q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/316 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Tue, 26 Aug 1997 13:06:11 -0700 (PDT), Dave Dameron wrote: [snip] >I wound 2 coils with No. 28 magnet wire (0.35mm) >L1 40 mm diam, 65 turns, measured inductance 170uH >L2 44 mm diam, 65 turns, measured inductance 185uH. L2 can slide over L1. [snip] Dave, While you're at it, here's something else for you to try. I think it's about as close as you will get to two coils one inside the other. Try winding a two layer coil. You can get a "bucking arrangement" in either of two ways. 1) Wind the first layer clockwise, and the second layer counter clockwise, while leaving the wire whole. 2) Wind both layers in the same direction, but cut the wire where the first layer stops, and the second layer starts, so that currents can be passed through the two layers in different directions. Measure the combined inductance in both cases. If I have this wrong, let me know :). Robin van Spaandonk -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Check out: http://www.eisa.net.au/~rvanspaa for how CF depends on temperature. "....,then he should stop, and he will catch up..." PS - no SPAM thanks! -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 28 15:49:49 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id PAA17143; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 15:49:36 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 15:49:36 -0700 From: rvanspaa@eisa.net.au (Robin van Spaandonk) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Scalar arcade game HERE! Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 22:49:03 GMT Organization: Improving Message-ID: <340e488e.24331173@mail.eisa.net.au> References: <199708270700.RAA23436@nornet.nor.com.au> In-Reply-To: <199708270700.RAA23436@nornet.nor.com.au> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"-2arg.0.VB4.x1W1q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/318 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Wed, 27 Aug 1997 17:00:33 +1000, Peter Nielsen wrote: [snip] >But still no scalar vectors? What happens when two of the above gradients >intersect? I will accept any name at this point. [snip] Since a scalar is a generic term, it seems to me that this discussion would be much more rapidly advanced, if everyone stopped using the generic term, and used instead the correct specific term in each case. IOW if I am not mistaken, all the "scalars" being referred to here each have individual names. Let's just use them. It avoids a lot of confusion (and exposes much ignorance :). Robin van Spaandonk -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Check out: http://www.eisa.net.au/~rvanspaa for how CF depends on temperature. "....,then he should stop, and he will catch up..." PS - no SPAM thanks! -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 28 16:59:11 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id QAA06757; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 16:58:30 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 16:58:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <34063A05.D4C@motown.lmco.com> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 19:55:01 -0700 From: francis x roarty Reply-To: froarty@motown.lmco.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Re : The inertial tap References: <970828041832_200567817@emout09.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"wB1v-1.0.Uf1.W2X1q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/319 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: JNaudin509@aol.com wrote: > > On 28/08/1997 02:25:40 , Fred Epps wrote : > > << > Well, the list is fairly slow so I don't feel too bad about taking up > the BW for my Mad Scientist idea of the week. It is closely based on the > work of Jean-louis, and study of the Koenig coil, as well as our > discussions of bifilar/scalar coils on the list. It is so simple that it > is either obviously wrong, or obviously right. > .... > ..... > Where does the extra energy come from? I will speculate that it comes > from the inertial force, which is essentially a nonlocalized force created > by either the ZPE or Mach's principle, depending on your theory. Normally > this force is always in a balanced or cancelled position so it cannot be > utilized as a source of power. In my gadget this balance is removed and > the inertial force appears as what it really is, an ACTIVE force. > > Fred > >> > > Hi Fred and All, > > YES FRED THIS DEVICE WORKS WELL, > But with little modifications that you will find in the attached document, > > For instance, I am able to charge two condensators ( 2x220uF/250V) in very > short time without affecting consequently the input power. > > See also my web site about the TEP V4.2 for the complete scheme and setup. > at :http://members.aol.com/overunity4/html/tepv42.htm > > Sincerely, > > ( This mail has been sent at 08h15 GMT on 28 August 97 ) > > Jean-Louis Naudin ( France / GMT+2 ) > Email : JNaudin509@aol.com > my Overunity WEB Server : http://members.aol.com/JNaudin509/ > WWPager: http://wwp.mirabilis.com/747846 > Fred, can Mach's principle supply energy? I thought it required inertial motion of a mass which would be infintesimal in the inertial tap. what am I missing? Frank From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 28 18:23:58 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id SAA07630; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 18:23:39 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 18:23:39 -0700 Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 11:23:18 +1000 Message-Id: <199708290123.LAA28589@nornet.nor.com.au> X-Sender: openway@pophost.nor.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Peter Nielsen Subject: Re: blatantly babbling scalars Resent-Message-ID: <"mYb-T1.0.7t1.QIY1q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/320 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >The bifilar coil has adjecent conductors with opposite current flows, >but the bucking coils have current flowing in the same direction. > I don't believe you have really addressed Fred's pertinent example of two single turns on the same former. If the current in each turn is opposite, at what distance apart do they switch from scalar (bifilar) to non-scalar (bucking) emission? I take it you are proposing it would happen suddenly as soon as there was _any_ separation. >Can you physically superpose coils of the same diameters? > Please see above. >> Frankly, this sounds a bit like a retro mindset. Let's forget about who's >> the "authority" and address the basic inconsistencies that exist in saying >> that generation of scalars can have no gradient function. > So what about the issue of scalar gradients. >Translating vectors into scalars, or scalars into vectors has nothing to >do with "scalar vectors". I see no opposition here. > Maybe we have a terminology problem here. I would like to know how you can translate "scalars into vectors" without the scalars having a pre-existing directional component themselves. >> >We are getting a bit deep here, but we CAN have vectors impressed on >> >scalar carriers, and also have scalars riding on EM carriers, but this >> >has little to do with the fendemental differnences between vectors and >> >scalars, or the production of scalars in the first place. >> > >I need to understand how you can define the polarization of a scalar. > A field that is directional. Can we finally clarify your view on this point. Is it possible or not, and under what conditions. Peter Nielsen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 28 18:25:12 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id SAA16718; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 18:24:54 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 18:24:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 11:23:22 +1000 Message-Id: <199708290123.LAA28594@nornet.nor.com.au> X-Sender: openway@pophost.nor.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Peter Nielsen Subject: Re: blatantly babbling scalars Resent-Message-ID: <"TqSoq.0.754.aJY1q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/321 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >Pardon me. Peter, perhaps you should do some rudimentary reading of >the citations prvided by Bob and others on this list. Read early >Bearden for a clear explanation. Follow it up with Whittaker. I don't >think Bob is required to spoon feed all on this list. For the few that >will ever really get it, reading is crucial. > >RRW > Thanks for your humbling admonitions. I have read most of what's available on scalars, and make a meagre living producing related devices of my own design. My basic issue with Bob stems from his original assertion, regarding bilfilar coils, that scalar formation has no possible gradient. IOW you suppress _all_ EM, absolutely, or get _no_ scalars. I suppose this implies the only variables are the intensity and frequency content of the opposing fields. This is not supported by my experience with induced biological effects. He has also claimed that emitted scalars have no directional properties, although, due to other seemingly conflicting statements, I suspect this is a matter of differing termninology which I am sincerely attempting to fathom. For example, what do you call it when two scalar fields of differing intensity or frequency content converge? Then we need to define how many such "fields" might derive from a certain emitter. IOW are they coherent, as one, or not? If they are, then what is the basis for their coherency? If they are not coherent, how do they interact with each other, coil inductance, and any detection modality? Are you reading this Bob? I don't feel these fundamental issues have been adequately resolved in the dialogue so far. IMO they are vital to understanding the variety of FE devices proposed and/or debated on this list. BTW since you have apparently already "gotten it", how about sharing "it"? Peter Nielsen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 28 18:23:58 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id SAA07656; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 18:23:44 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 18:23:44 -0700 Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 11:23:27 +1000 Message-Id: <199708290123.LAA28598@nornet.nor.com.au> X-Sender: openway@pophost.nor.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Peter Nielsen Subject: Re: Scalar arcade game HERE! Resent-Message-ID: <"z1W1s2.0.St1.UIY1q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/322 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >We need to go into a good deal more detail. Scalars do not seem to >propogate like EM waves, their 'speed' has been reported to be highly >variable, but it may be more correct to describe them as having >additional degrees of freedom than EM waves show. This gets thick fast, >so here's anther way to think about this: > By "additional degrees of freedom", I assume you are referring to non-locality? >What about a difference of intensity between two scalars? Thats your >vector, right? > So now we agree??? And would you say that the "speed" of propagation, mentioned above, is relative to intensity? And can you have a "speed" with no directionality? Do you have another definition of "vector"? Please fill in the blanks about what you have been saying, so we can settle this matter. Fred has started spamming me. >> Straying from where? Not the coil I hope ;-) > >Well, lets think about this. The coil IS still a conductor, with >current flowing, so it must have some distributed inductance seperate >from that normally due to the windings, right? > I have never seen a bifilar coil with even perfect _ internal_ suppression. Have you? I suppose the key question is, how close to perfect do you need to get to "click" into scalar mode? If you say "perfect", I say there is really no such thing. If you say "near perfect", I say there is a gradient bewteen that state and a perfect one, within which scalars will be produced to a varying degree. Peter Nielsen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 28 18:40:47 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id SAA10334; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 18:40:34 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 18:40:34 -0700 X-Sender: leoguitar@mail.vossnet.de (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "DePalma Institute" From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Re: Radio Appearance Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 03:38:31 +0100 Message-Id: <19970829033831.204b32df.in@pop3.vossnet.de> Resent-Message-ID: <"9Ig6q.0.NX2.HYY1q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/323 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >Bruce DePalma can be heard live via the Internet, or Nationwide in >the US on Jeff Rense's "SIGHTINGS on the RADIO" today (Thursaday 28 >August) between 6pm and 9pm PST. > > >REAL AUDIO LINK: > >http://www.audionet.com/shows/endoftheline/sightings.ram > > >NET SHOW LINK: > >http://www.audionet.com/shows/endoftheline/end144.asx > > >Please see Jeff's site at: > >http://www.sightings.com/ > >I am online right now and can hear him ! Great technology via Realaudio, which sounds better thna Netshow by the way in his setup. Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 28 20:53:11 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id UAA28010; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 20:52:53 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 20:52:53 -0700 Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 20:52:41 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: Eric Krieg -voicenet cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, George Wiseman Subject: Re: Browns gas information -how does it implode? In-Reply-To: <199708290257.WAA05295@mail3.voicenet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"mVyz1.0.Vr6.JUa1q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/324 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Thu, 28 Aug 1997, Eric Krieg -voicenet wrote: > Bill, > > The last time Tom tried to ignite a stoichemetrc mixture, it exploded. That's different. The previous message sounded just like a thought- experiment. When anomalous claims are involved, thought-experiments can be used to guide investigation, but I don't think they can be used to counter the claim of an anomaly. One of Brown's claims is that the mixture must be within a fraction of a percent of 2:1. This suggests that care must be taken in assuring that this requirement is met, and that a quick+dirty test might fail (explode.) I would love to see a report that said "I duplicated the claims, the system was flushed for XX days to eliminate H2 surface absorbtion biasing the mixture, the mixture was ignited repeatedly during the flush time and the sound output waveform observed via oscilloscope, ...etc." > (more like the hydrogen powered shuttle than the hydrogen floating > hindenburg) He was trying to give a natural explanation for something that > appears to implode. He posits that a phase change just after explosion > makes it appear to implode. This is very sensible. But since shock waves are intimately connected to molecular velocity effects, and since there is no inert gas, only combustion products, maybe something weird is going on even when no cold surfaces are present. Perhaps the shock wave is eliminated, and the explosion becomes a quick but soundless "inflation." Brown's claim cannot be shot down unless one can say something like this: "I repeated the gas ignition in a metal chamber at various temperatures spread across the 100C point. Near and above 100C the sound output was extremely high, but at room temp it was lacking. This suggests that there is no mystery to BG, the "implosion" is simply a near-instant condensation onto cold surfaces during the explosion. The same would happen if methane/oxygen was ignited in a chamber containing liquid helium. The ignition was repeated in larger and larger containers. As larger containers are used, the volume to surface ratio increases, and when the container exceeds XX cc, we show that there is explosion only, no implosion." But without actually performing the experiment, we can't say any such thing. If the above experiments were performed, perhaps the above results might NOT be obtained. Without lots of work, we can only give speculation on why Brown might be misguided. (Of course if BROWN performed these above experiments and reported unexpected results, his case would be much stronger!) > If the gas implodes, where is all the energy going to. If Brown is claiming the existence of energy anomalies, then the above question is very important. But the question strikes me as being a rhetorical question used mostly to make the claims seem 'questionable.' > Tom is not debunking that gas implodes but merely explaining why it would > appear to implode. Yes. As long as the resulting conclusion is that Brown MIGHT be misguided, not that he IS misguided, then I see nothing wrong with this. It's "debunking" only if thought-experiments are being used to show that Brown IS misguided. > We believe that skeptics should be willing to investigate > and take a fair look at claims. We would be happy to examine Dennis Lee's > Browns gas implosion demonstration equipment, but he refuses to have or > allow his followers any contact with me. Last I heard, Brown won't have anything to do with Lee. I wouldn't trust that Lee's equipment is proper, or that it could be used to prove anything. There must be documents somewhere describing the details of Brown's equipment. A proper test would probably require contact with Brown for clearing up details when constructing equipment. The "implosion" thing could be investigated, but I think his claims regarding the elimination of radioisotopes by "burning" in the BG flame is much more interesting to replicate. I assume that this merely requires the purchase of one of the BG welders. And a whole bunch of thorium lantern mantels? .....................uuuu / oo \ uuuu........,............................. William Beaty voice:206-781-3320 bbs:206-789-0775 cserv:71241,3623 EE/Programmer/Science exhibit designer http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/ Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com SCIENCE HOBBYIST web page From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 28 21:02:08 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id VAA02414; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 21:01:41 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 21:01:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <34067246.2D3E@tiac.net> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 23:55:03 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: loosing your marbles References: <970828175823_-1904608158@emout20.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"oc0BS3.0.bb.Wca1q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/325 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: MFergerson@aol.com wrote: > >The fast rise times of the noise from the motors brushes cause > >significant EMI. > >You may find that the orientation of the magnets has no effect on the > >behavior of this device what so ever. > > Yeah, dV/dT -> large EMI...actually, what few effects I noted didn't happen > with the magnets' poles in non-opposing configuration...confusing as > hell...that's where I got the 'shearing effect' idea. Ok, I had missed a few points in your original post it seems! It is possible that you have magnetic flux leaking through your shielding? This should be checked carefully in the opposed case. The fast dV/dT may modulate the fields, which may then carry through the shielding if its saturated. > Then, > > >> Incidentally, the thing, when put into a metal box with no holes produced > no > >> noticeable noise on an AM radio sitting nearby, but did when the box was > not > >> present (commutator noise, I suspect). > > >Bingo, its pure EM radiation. Your AM radio should totally ignore a > >true scalar product. > > Well, my point was that whatever the thing was emitting, the radio didn't > see it through EMI shielding, but the 'receiver' did. > > The crucial point: > > >> The receiver didn't show much of anything above noise level without the > >> 'transmitter' running-I can't tell whether this means it is 'blind' to > vector > >> EM, or just very insensitive. > > >If it operates correctly while tuned to a radio station, then its just > >not all that sensitive, or had some form of ANL, Automatic Noise > >Limiter, a common function for CB and aircraft band receivers. > > Sorry, my mistake. The 'receiver' in this case was meant to be assumed the > coil-scope setup. No ANL, no quieting, no nothing. I should mention somewhere > in here the thing was not direction-sensitive without the xmtr running, that > is, null results no matter where I aimed it. I see others report odd 'scalar' > signals, possibly military, but I never saw any. Again, maybe a sensitivity > problem. (BTW, how the heck do I 'tune' a bare-butt coil-magnet setup? Magnet > size? coil turns?) The detector people are seeing these signals on are totally different from what you are using as a detector/receiver. There may well be a sensitivity difference between your device and the radio receiver, it seems that a good deal more investigation is needed before we can understand your results. > > I should also mention I lost interest in the concept when I failed to note > any 'free' signals- I wasn't looking for scalar wave production, but a > possible component of your basic FEM, or Free-Energy-Machine. I just don't > like moving parts in something that's supposed to give free power (friction, > you know). Very reasonable. > So, where do I find more info on this Bedini thing, anyway? Is it worth the > time? John Bedini has a web page. Jean-Louis has performed some testing of devices based on Bedini's designs (of devices very different from the 'clarifier' device). Is it worth the time? This is a matter of opinion. I know of no one who had gotten over unity results from John Bedini's designs he claims are over unity. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 28 21:12:24 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id VAA03849; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 21:11:56 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 21:11:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970829000607.006e8b10@world.std.com> X-Sender: mica@world.std.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 00:06:07 +0000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Mitchell Swartz Subject: COLD FUSION TIMES vol 5 number 3 (Fall 97) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"5R4RO.0.2y.5ma1q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/326 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: August 26, 1997 Dear colleagues: COLD FUSION TIMES -- THE LARGEST ISSUE TO DATE -- vol 5 number 3 (Fall 97) is at the printer, and will be in subscribers hands by the end of next week. The web site is now updated. As always, the COLD FUSION TIMES (ISSN#1072-2874) -> world wide web location: http://world.std.com/~mica/cft.html presents focused hard-core science, nuclear, and engineering issues, with detailed material science and nuclear physics, including analysis of developments in the cold fusion field. A brief survey of this issue (Vol 5, Number 3) includes the following: - Metachronous Release of "Frozen State" Ash in Pd Systems Post-Loading - High Resolution Quadrupole Mass Spectroscopic Examinations of Cold Fusion Products - More Isotopic Anomalies - Historical Evidence for a possible Japanese Cold Fusion Plane in 1944 - Cold Fusion - Its Potential Impact upon US Electrical Demand - Muon Fusion - Japanese MITI update - Atom Clusters including 55- and 135 Atom Pd Clusters - Palladium Black and its Role - Engineering and Research Updates - ESD, EMI Issues - The best of the worlds literature in hand - Positive Results in Gas Loading Pd Samples - Economics of the Group VIII Metals - Linked Heat and Helium Measurements, and - Nickel, Palladium, and other metal systems - Gas Loading, Solid State, Electrolysis Systems - Reports from Japan, Russia, China, Korea, Sri Lanka, US National Laboratories, US Navy, Germany, ... - More journals you may have missed - Updates on Equipment, Supplies, Consulting Available - Practical Information and Reference Vectors - "What's Happening", "Material Science and Engineering" and more Best wishes. Mitchell Swartz (mica@world.std.com) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 28 21:16:48 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id VAA04687; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 21:16:08 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 21:16:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <34064888.7A4FAF6C@ihug.co.nz> Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 15:56:56 +1200 From: John Berry X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: field inside a charged box Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"BF_NT3.0.691._pa1q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/327 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Does anyone know if there is any electric field inside an electrostatically charged box in which the walls of the box are all of the same polarity but diffrent voltage? this is very very important. Thanks John Berry From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 28 21:22:06 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id VAA00485; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 21:21:54 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 21:21:54 -0700 Message-ID: <34067755.3E8@tiac.net> Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 00:16:37 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: blatantly babbling scalars References: <199708290123.LAA28594@nornet.nor.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"-82P52.0.Q7.Xva1q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/328 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Peter Nielsen wrote: > > >Pardon me. Peter, perhaps you should do some rudimentary reading of > >the citations prvided by Bob and others on this list. Read early > >Bearden for a clear explanation. Follow it up with Whittaker. I don't > >think Bob is required to spoon feed all on this list. For the few that > >will ever really get it, reading is crucial. > > > >RRW > > > > Thanks for your humbling admonitions. I have read most of what's available > on scalars, and make a meagre living producing related devices of my own design. > > My basic issue with Bob stems from his original assertion, regarding > bilfilar coils, that scalar formation has no possible gradient. IOW you > suppress _all_ EM, absolutely, or get _no_ scalars. I suppose this implies > the only variables are the intensity and frequency content of the opposing > fields. This is not supported by my experience with induced biological effects. If you read my posts, you will see that we suppress all practical EM, as there is stray inductance remaining. Biological effects may be effected by what Bearden describes as the 'substructure' of the scalar potentials, another variable I have discussed here before. > He has also claimed that emitted scalars have no directional properties, > although, due to other seemingly conflicting statements, I suspect this is a > matter of differing termninology which I am sincerely attempting to fathom. The lack of standard terminology is the major barrier between all scalar researchers I beleive. I do not beleive that scalar 'propogate' in the way EM waves do, they do seem to be true action at a distance, so discussing their 'directional properties' may get real confusing, real fast. > For example, what do you call it when two scalar fields of differing > intensity or frequency content converge? Then we need to define how many > such "fields" might derive from a certain emitter. IOW are they coherent, as > one, or not? If they are, then what is the basis for their coherency? If > they are not coherent, how do they interact with each other, coil > inductance, and any detection modality? Your questions leads us directly into the substructures. You may recall my posts on the many possible combinations frequences, and their possible biological effects. There is also the case where we simply yeild a EM vector, which has been beaten to death here already. > Are you reading this Bob? Every work Peter. > I don't feel these fundamental issues have been adequately resolved in the > dialogue so far. IMO they are vital to understanding the variety of FE > devices proposed and/or debated on this list. > > BTW since you have apparently already "gotten it", how about sharing "it"? I can only try, which is exactly what I've been doing here all this time. > Peter Nielsen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 28 21:35:35 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id VAA08050; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 21:35:07 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 21:35:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <34067A1E.1581@tiac.net> Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 00:28:30 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Scalar arcade game HERE! References: <199708290123.LAA28598@nornet.nor.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"qLyI13.0.ez1.q5b1q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/330 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Peter Nielsen wrote: > > >We need to go into a good deal more detail. Scalars do not seem to > >propogate like EM waves, their 'speed' has been reported to be highly > >variable, but it may be more correct to describe them as having > >additional degrees of freedom than EM waves show. This gets thick fast, > >so here's anther way to think about this: > > > > By "additional degrees of freedom", I assume you are referring to non-locality? > > >What about a difference of intensity between two scalars? Thats your > >vector, right? > > > > So now we agree??? And would you say that the "speed" of propagation, > mentioned above, is relative to intensity? And can you have a "speed" with > no directionality? Do you have another definition of "vector"? There are "reports" of different speeds of propogation, but as I have often written, I personally do not think that scalars "propogate" as we currently use the term in relation to EM wave propogation. > Please fill in the blanks about what you have been saying, so we can settle > this matter. Fred has started spamming me. We seem to be having fundemental issues with the very concepts, let alone the terminology here. I beleive we can work through this though. > >> Straying from where? Not the coil I hope ;-) > > > >Well, lets think about this. The coil IS still a conductor, with > >current flowing, so it must have some distributed inductance seperate > >from that normally due to the windings, right? > > > > I have never seen a bifilar coil with even perfect _ internal_ suppression. > Have you? I suppose the key question is, how close to perfect do you need to > get to "click" into scalar mode? If you say "perfect", I say there is really > no such thing. If you say "near perfect", I say there is a gradient bewteen > that state and a perfect one, within which scalars will be produced to a > varying degree. Read my posts, I've never described PERFECT suppression Peter. Don't read things into my words please. Lets slow down, and take this one step at a time, it will make sense, and you are perfectly free to test everything and see for yourself. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 29 16:56:43 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id QAA09355; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 16:55:58 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 16:55:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <34078AFA.17CD@motown.lmco.com> Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 19:52:42 -0700 From: francis x roarty Reply-To: froarty@motown.lmco.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fred Epps CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, Antigravity@primenet.com Subject: Re: can rotational inertia be used in Mach's principle References: Conversation <970828041832_200567817@emout09.mail.aol.com> with last message <340672EE.4BC7@motown.lmco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"TOZi3.0.3I2.B6s1q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/332 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Fred Epps wrote: > > Hi Frank, > > > I was just writing to someone about mchanical devices that turn > > so-called > > centrifugal force into unidirectional motion. What are your thoughts on > > two opposing flywheels with charge storing capability (c or l)- think > > flywheel battery- where charge and discharge terminals are physically > > placed 90 degrees before top dead center, will mass charge density > > variations over this 90 degree "travel" cause an inertial mass > > imbalance? > > Let me make sure I understand you.... (looking at just one flywheel) * I don't know if you can look at just one flywheel because the imbalance would be exhibited as rotational inertia* > you are adding electromagnetic "mass" to the flywheel > as that portion moves up, the idea being you are using the centrifugal > force to lift the flywheel? * again 1 flywheel would just try to reorient the "satelite" not move it* > > Why would you need two flywheels, assuming its mass distribution is > uniform? *I wanted to get a thrust vector (displacement) as opposed to rotational force* > > The main problem with physical versions of such systems is that the > movement of the mass into position to create the centrifugal imbalance > creates a reaction force that counteracts the effect you are trying to get. * I agree, in fact I am still somewhat skeptical about Mach's principle in that there is a resistance to moving the charge distribution around inside the mass of a system, The question might be if we can capitalize on the phenomena of oscillation where large amounts of charge and current can be exchanged without consuming real power? Another question that bothers me is where was the coil portion of Mach's oscilator? was it moving along with the cap as part of the "system " or was it "off site" connected via wires? - the paper was not clear- .Stripping off electron mass and storing it in a fixed coil via wires would make transport of the "system" easier and that is how his patent is phrased. Perhaps I read too much into his paper. > I don't see that problem with your idea...it is very interesting. The > difficulty of course is using enough EM mass to create a sizable effect. > In the terms you are talking about here it seems like you would need > Megacoulombs of charge. > > The charge/mass relationship of the electron works against you. > > I can imagine an electronic version of this where a current is circulated > in a physically-oriented resonant circuit (say with an inductor at each > end?) and the energy in one of the inductors is increased when the EM mass > is all on that end. This could be done by feeding current into it or by > dropping the L of the inductor so the energy must increase to satisfy E = > 1/2Li^2. > > I seem to remember the Thomson drive or some similar device is the > mechanical analog to this where a mass is added to the rotating platform on > one side and subtracted before it swings to the other side. The Thompson > drive is the only one of the inertial drives that has undergone thorough > testing, AFAIK. * I will do a keyword search for articles on this drive.* > Of course, this becomes mechanically tricky with many inefficiencies. > > The fact that this is so hard to do argues for its possibility-- if it was > easy we would have already seen it happen... > > On the other hand, you could use that charge/mass disparity in your favor > as an electrical generator by using a modification of the Tolman effect- > the centrifugal effect on the mass of the electron. If you accelerate a > metal disc a current flows between the center and the outside edge. It's > not much because (again) the mass of the electron is so small, but suppose > you used something like sodium ions? This could be done in a substance > called an ionic conductor...This would be a way of converting centrifugal > force directly into power. > > > and most important will the opposing rotational inertias cancel or > > produce a vector? I am a Lockheed tech and know we use a similar > > flywheel effects to keep satelites oriented. > > I am picturing a solid disc, so the vectors would cancel all the way > around-- except insofar as you add mass to the system without creating an > opposed reaction force. * yes this has always been the crux of the matter- you can't avoid the opposed reaction force- * yes - my mind experiment was flawed- you are right, the rotational forces will cancell. > > My primary consideration is to investigate Woodwards claims relating to > > Mach's principle. > > Yes, I have all of Woodward's papers and agree that such an effect has been > demonstrated. I hadn't thought of it in terms of second-order > acceleration, or what the Dean drive papers call "jerk". * One of the engineers just walked in and we discussed Mach's principle as possibly analagous to moving the center of mass - if you have a cam enclosed in a systen and only move the object while the "center of mass" is moving downward; it will be easier to lift and move during the down stroke because you are only lifting a portion of the mass - the "system" comes off the table but some of the mass has not yet been lifted at all and is in fact still falling toward the bottom of it's arc.- but you better put it down before the upstroke begins because it is going to "gain" as much weight greater than average as it lost on the downstroke - time averaged weight is unaffected. Frankly, It's Woodward's claim about juggling the system so that you only handle the "system while it's in it's "light" state that is beggining to bother me, Wouldn't the average center of mass start to descend onto the piezoelectric?* > Are you familiar with the Woodward paper where he CREATES electric charge > by accelerating the rotation of a small cylinder? no! do you have a link? > Interestingly I have stated on the list recently that an acceleration of an > acceleration (the simplest cases being the speeding up of a rotating disc > or the changing of the time constant of a resonant circuit) should produce > a local effect on the rate of inertial flow. > I equate time and inertia, so this amounts to a change in the local time > flow. This might be another way of reading the woodward experiment above: > measurements taken from outside the system would show violation of > conservation of energy because the time inside the system is at a different > rate. > This isn't backed up with any hard numbers (I'm weak on math) but it > makes sense to me. > > This is an interesting angle and I'd like to pursue it. > Fred Frank From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 29 16:58:34 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id QAA08190; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 16:58:15 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 16:58:15 -0700 Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 09:57:56 +1000 Message-Id: <199708292357.JAA00183@nornet.nor.com.au> X-Sender: openway@pophost.nor.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Peter Nielsen Subject: Re: Scalars in uniform Resent-Message-ID: <"Yx7gS3.0.t_1.M8s1q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/333 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >> I have never seen a bifilar coil with even perfect _ internal_ suppression. >> Have you? I suppose the key question is, how close to perfect do you need to >> get to "click" into scalar mode? If you say "perfect", I say there is really >> no such thing. If you say "near perfect", I say there is a gradient bewteen >> that state and a perfect one, within which scalars will be produced to a >> varying degree. > >Read my posts, I've never described PERFECT suppression Peter. Don't >read things into my words please. > I thought you said on several occasions that a scalar potential cannot be produced if there is any EM still present. I quote one example from a previous post by you, "Bearden appears to be correct in that all EM expressions of the opposed potentials must be suppressed to yield pure scalars." Is that not perfect suppression? Or are you implying there are "impure" scalars? What is the distinction you are making? I'm starting to feel like I'm on the USS Eldrige. >Lets slow down, and take this one step at a time, it will make sense, >and you are perfectly free to test everything and see for yourself. > >Bob Shannon > Yes, I see we need to clear the decks. Aside from the question above, I really have only ONE issue to clarify regarding your position. What do you believe occurs when two scalar potentials of differing intensity meet? If we agree each is non-local, it is one thing. If we say a directional field, or intensity gradient, results from the meeting, we seemingly have another. The substructures you have previously acknowledged, imply a spatial and directional relationship in the byproducts of scalar interactions. How can this emerge without a directional component, or localized disparity, in the scalars themselves? If we assume a directional component, then it must be a function of the emitters, which brings us to the crux of the matter. How about a straight answer? C'mon Bob, blow me out of the water :-) Peter Nielsen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 29 17:07:44 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id RAA10693; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 17:07:17 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 17:07:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <34078D9F.2868@motown.lmco.com> Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 20:03:59 -0700 From: francis x roarty Reply-To: froarty@motown.lmco.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Scalars in uniform References: <199708292357.JAA00183@nornet.nor.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"byUNP3.0.sc2.jGs1q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/334 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hey scalar, looking for a good time? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 29 18:32:34 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id SAA18763; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 18:32:06 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 18:32:06 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 21:35:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199708300135.VAA26956@mail.wincom.net> X-Sender: wood@mail.wincom.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: wood Subject: new guy Resent-Message-ID: <"hmKvM3.0.3b4.KWt1q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/336 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: As a new member of this list I would like to say hi and see if there are any others working on Adams motor designs.I am on my 3rd. variation. The motors spin well but I have yet to find the reversing magnetic field effect needed for the proper energy production. If a electromagnet is activated near a bunch of compasses shouldn't the compasses spin when power is shut off also? I have been unable to make it happen.Any ideas or suggestions appreciated. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 29 19:02:43 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id TAA21565; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 19:02:30 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 19:02:30 -0700 (PDT) From: rvanspaa@eisa.net.au (Robin van Spaandonk) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Capacitance of noninductive coils (Was Tesla Patent512,340) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 02:00:53 GMT Organization: Improving Message-ID: <340b7bc9.37657415@mail.eisa.net.au> References: <199708261833.LAA03045@mail1.halcyon.com> In-Reply-To: <199708261833.LAA03045@mail1.halcyon.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Nhie53.0.sG5.qyt1q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/337 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Tue, 26 Aug 1997 11:04:14 -0700, Fred Epps wrote: [snip] >coil approaches zero, then of course it is below u. We can assume it is >some very small value. For any very small value of L of such a coil, there >will be a range of possible values of C where the LC product is ABOVE ue >and a range of possible values of C where the LC product is BELOW ue. Unless I'm mistaken, ue and LC do not have the same dimensions. There seems to be an 'area' factor missing. Could someone please explain? [snip] Robin van Spaandonk -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Check out: http://www.eisa.net.au/~rvanspaa for how CF depends on temperature. "....,then he should stop, and he will catch up..." PS - no SPAM thanks! -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 29 23:02:50 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id XAA12994; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 23:02:26 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 23:02:26 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 23:00:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708300600.XAA03892@iceland.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: mrandall@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Michael Randall Subject: Fwd [Re: Re : The inertial tap] Resent-Message-ID: <"CtJSd3.0.tA3.kTx1q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/338 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 05:36 AM 8/29/97 PDT, you wrote: >Hi Michael! >> >> There are several ways to extract the energy from the vacuum by the TEP >> circuits. The one I think could be the source is from scalar EM theories >as >> described by Tom Bearden, Bob Shannon and others. >> >> My understanding is limited but the way I see it happening in a nutshell >is >> as follows: >> >> "Pass the potential and hold the current." > >Yes, I understand the principle behind this idea (with the help of Bob and >others), but as you say "energy cannot be created or destroyed". I am not >so sure about that, but taking this as a given, where is the energy coming >from? Is the energy in the vacuum as a sort of scalar density? > >BTW I dont understand the bone of contention between Bob and Peter on the >polarizability of the scalar "density" (my word) >I tend to think in concrete metaphors, and my metaphor for scalars now is >waves in the sea. The height of the wave corresponds to the intensity of >the scalar. It has no direction-- a boat on a high wave does not fall off >into the trough. At the same time one can see that the intensity is not >the same everywhere. It is possible to tap the energy of a scalr becasue of >its variablity in TIME according to this teory, just as one might tap wave >energy by putting a flat on the wave and converting it into reciprocating >movement. I would like to hear from Bob and others if this a suitable >metaphor for scalars. > >Fred > >BTW, I have mail problems because of my tired old work computer. I would >appreciate it if you would post this message to the list. > >Fred >> > >> > > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 30 02:18:55 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id CAA02935; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 02:18:20 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 02:18:20 -0700 Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 21:24:00 +1000 Message-Id: <199708301124.VAA12253@main.murray.net.au> X-Sender: egel@main.murray.net.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Geoff Egel Subject: Re: Electrolytic Decomposing Gas Generator Resent-Message-ID: <"6RyQV1.0.mj.RL-1q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/339 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 08:36 PM 8/15/97 -0700, you wrote: >Have added new article to my web site on Electrolytic Decomposing Gas Generator by bernard Klien at 1945 invention Patent Article and diagrams at >http://geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135/gas.htm Web site >http://www2.murray.net.au/users/egel http://geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135 http://members.tripod.com/~geoffegel Geoff Egel egel@main.murray.net.au From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 30 07:31:28 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id HAA24611; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 07:13:57 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 07:13:57 -0700 Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 07:13:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708301413.HAA00394@italy.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: mrandall@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Michael Randall Subject: Re: Electrolytic Decomposing Gas Generator Resent-Message-ID: <"NQuJy.0.S06.ag22q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/340 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 09:24 PM 8/30/97 +1000, you wrote: >At 08:36 PM 8/15/97 -0700, you wrote: >>Have added new article to my web site >on Electrolytic Decomposing Gas Generator by bernard Klien at 1945 invention >Patent Article and diagrams at > >>http://geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135/gas.htm > >Web site >>http://www2.murray.net.au/users/egel >http://geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135 > >http://members.tripod.com/~geoffegel > Geoff Egel >egel@main.murray.net.au I got a message "unable to locate no DNS number" Is the address correct above? Thank you. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 30 08:50:58 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id IAA32521; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 08:50:39 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 08:50:39 -0700 X-Sender: richarda@mailhub.icx.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199708292357.JAA00183@nornet.nor.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 11:51:26 -0400 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Richard Austin Subject: What do scalars REALLY represent? Resent-Message-ID: <"wxX_w1.0.2y7.E542q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/341 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: If temperature is a scalar which represents the intensity of a heat source, what does the EM scalar physically represent associated with the bifilar coils? If it is the intensity of some aspect of an electromagnetic state why can't we easily measure it? Can clairvoyants see this energy like they can pyramid energy and other types of "cosmic" energy? In eastern philosophies there are considered to be 5 kinds of pranas (energies). How does the modern research into alternative energies relate to these energies from ancient metaphysical knowledge? Any takers? Richard Austin -- email: richarda@icx.net -- radio: KG7SU Check out the Institute for Planetary Renewal at http://user.icx.net/~richarda From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 30 08:52:04 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id IAA32732; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 08:51:55 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 08:51:55 -0700 Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 08:51:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708301551.IAA24478@italy.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: mrandall@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Michael Randall Subject: Re: Fwd [Re: Re : The inertial tap] Resent-Message-ID: <"zHB3b.0.H_7.Q642q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/342 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Fred Epps wrote: <....> > It is possible to tap the energy of a scalr becasue of >>its variablity in TIME according to this teory, just as one might tap wave >>energy by putting a flat on the wave and converting it into reciprocating >>movement. I would like to hear from Bob and others if this a suitable >>metaphor for scalars. According to Maxwellian theory, in its higher topology, yes. The vacuum may be considered a scalar potential , in which case it has an internal biwave structure. Time is separate from mass. Time-mass can move foreward, scattering of ordered energy in form of resistance or heating. Or reverse direction, negative resistor receives, concentrates, and reorders scattered energy to achieve cooling and ou energy from the environment (vacuum). This cooling effect has been noticed by the ATG group in their transistor and by others who claimed ou energy production in their units. Regards, Michael Randall From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 30 09:36:48 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id JAA04990; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 09:36:35 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 09:36:35 -0700 From: Keasy@aol.com Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 12:35:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970830123526_2015899100@emout18.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: new guy Resent-Message-ID: <"eXOVq.0.sD1.Hm42q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/343 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: If electromagnet is activated near compasses, when power is shut off compasses should simply return to normal orientation in earth's field; depending upon damping there may be some swinging back and forth across the earth's field lines. Offhand I see no reason why they would spin. Ken Keasy@aol.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 30 11:02:30 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id LAA25605; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 11:02:03 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 11:02:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: rmuha@mail Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3404FAFB.3A85@tiac.net> References: <199708261833.LAA03045@mail1.halcyon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 14:00:28 -0400 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: ralph muha Subject: Re: Capacitance of noninductive coils (Was Tesla Patent512,340) Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Resent-Message-ID: <"QPONz3.0.xF6.O062q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/344 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 12:13 AM -0400 8/28/97, Bob Shannon wrote: >ralph muha wrote: >> which brings us to my next question, which is, would a signal >> thru a shorted transmission line (given sufficiently close >> proximity between the conductors) generate a scalar? > >Yes! what about transmission lines in general? what I'm wondering is, could some of the health problems reported by people who live near HV transmission lines be caused by scalars produced by these lines, which are not detected by the people who study these things because they are not aware of their existence? r From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 30 11:07:25 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id LAA15586; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 11:07:09 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 11:07:09 -0700 Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 11:07:03 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: 5th SUFOEX (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"8r_SH1.0.Rp3.D562q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/345 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Excuse to go to Brazil! .....................uuuu / oo \ uuuu........,............................. William Beaty voice:206-781-3320 bbs:206-789-0775 cserv:71241,3623 EE/Programmer/Science exhibit designer http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/ Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com SCIENCE HOBBYIST web page ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 14:01:49 -0300 From: Philippe Piet van Putten To: unexplained@ListService.net, in_search_of@primenet.com, antigravity@primenet.com Subject: [Antigravity] 5th SUFOEX We are "In Search Of . . ." answers together. Each posting must reflect personal respect, integrity, honesty, and full disclosure of information. ---------- Dear colleagues and friends, On november 22 and 23, 1997, the Brazilian Academy of Parasciences (ABP) will promote the 5th SUFOEX - Symposium on UFOlogy and Exobiology at the SINDIPETRO auditorium (750 seats) in Santos, SP, Brazil. The confirmed speakers are: - Carlos Alberto Machado (CIPEX - Brazil) "The "chupa-cabras" attacks in southern Brazil"; - David Hatcher Childress (Adventures Unlimited - USA) "Man-made UFOs"; - Edison Boaventura Junior (GUG - Brazil) "UFOs - The undisputable facts"; - Linda Moulton Howe (USA) "On Animal mutilations and a strange metal found in NM"; - Philippe Piet van Putten (ABP - Brazil) "New perspectives in exobiology and bioastronomy" - Prudence Calabrese (USA) "Scientific remote viewing"; - Richard Sauder (USA) "Underground bases and tunnels"; - Rogerio Porto Breier (UBPDV - Brazil) "Earthlights"; - Wallacy Albino (GUG - Brazil) "The circle effect - The mystery continues" Entrance tickets: R$ 60.00 (US$ 57); For additional information, contact Academia Brasileira de Paraciencias (ABP) Caixa Postal 57041 - Moema 04093-970 - Sao Paulo - SP - Brazil Phone/fax: 55 (011) 5513.7107 E-mail: abp@link.com.br ---------- TO LEAVE THE LIST, send a message to: majordomo@primenet.com with the one line message of: unsubscribe antigravity From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 30 11:11:57 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id LAA16267; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 11:11:42 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 11:11:42 -0700 X-Sender: rmuha@mail Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 14:11:31 -0400 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: ralph muha Subject: Re: 5th SUFOEX (fwd) Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Resent-Message-ID: <"XNNcr1.0.3-3.S962q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/346 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 2:07 PM -0400 8/30/97, William Beaty wrote: >Excuse to go to Brazil! perhaps Art Bell will do live coverage? ;-) r From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 30 11:30:32 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id LAA20622; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 11:30:16 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 11:30:16 -0700 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 11:22:35 -0700 Subject: SMOT is not a scam Message-ID: <19970830.112339.8718.0.tv@juno.com> References: <970830111702_100433.1541_BHG77-1@compuserve.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-2,4,6,8-9,11-14,16,18,20,22-24,26,28-30,33-47 From: tv@juno.com (Tim D Vaughan) Resent-Message-ID: <"Qun6V3.0.725.sQ62q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/347 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I may be wrong, but I don't think Mr. Watson is a con artist. It is very apparent from his very considerable efforts and detailed documentation that he is genuine in his efforts. I have followed this very closely including the construction of SMOT I and SMOT II. Most of what he has said can be confirmed. The tricky part of course is the overunity claims which I and most others have not yet been able to verify. That was the whole idea behind the kits. The whole purpose of the kits was to provide a repeatable demonstration of the phenomena that Greg claims to observe. Nothing more. If he was a con artist he would have asked much more than the quite reasonable $115. I still say be patient. The SMOT phenomena if it is really overunity is a subtle and poorly understood. I think Greg is just trying to standardize it. Engineering something can often take longer than anticipated especially when it involves new principles. Greg may be wishing he had not made the offer so early, but how did he know how difficult it would be. As far as why he is not posting messages: Maybe he is sick with the flu or something (remember it is winter still in Australia) or he is on a trip. I would not post the fact that I was going to go on a trip on the internet. Would you ? Lets give him the benefit of the doubt. So far Greg Watson has gone much farther than any other inventor of a free energy device in assisting others to verify his claims. Tim Vaughan ( tv@juno.com ) > > Here's another possibility (and this is only my opinion): > > > > > > con artist + scam + suckers = Greg Watson selling kits to > > vortex-l readers > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 30 11:41:35 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id LAA00384; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 11:40:35 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 11:40:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 14:44:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199708301844.OAA09981@mail.wincom.net> X-Sender: wood@mail.wincom.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: wood Subject: Re: new guy Resent-Message-ID: <"KlADJ.0.p5.Pa62q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/348 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 12:35 PM 8/30/97 -0400, you wrote: >If electromagnet is activated near compasses, when power is shut off >compasses should simply return to normal orientation in earth's field; >depending upon damping there may be some swinging back and forth across the >earth's field lines. Offhand I see no reason why they would spin. > Ken Keasy@aol.com > > That being the case do have another suggestion so that I can see the magnetic poles reversing when the power is disconnected from a coil as described by Adams and other researchers. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 30 13:11:39 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id NAA08439; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 13:11:14 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 13:11:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: rmuha@mail Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 16:09:43 -0400 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: ralph muha Subject: song of the sun (great web site!) Resent-Message-ID: <"JMqGz3.0.m32.Vv72q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/349 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I heard about this on the NPR science show this afternoon: Solar Oscillations Investigation http://soi.stanford.edu/ All kinds of solar observation data, including MPEGs (watch the sun boil!) and sound files produced from 40 days of data taken with the Michaelson Doppler Imager (listen to the song of the sun!) r From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 30 13:22:52 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id NAA09691; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 13:22:25 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 13:22:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <34088EAF.70E5@sunherald.infi.net> Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 14:20:47 -0700 From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" Reply-To: stk@sunherald.infi.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: John Tooker Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"r-TRM.0.KN2.x382q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/350 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: John Tooker: I'm sending this because I don't know if you've been getting my emails (several friends say they aren't). Have you recieved any? Kyle From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 30 15:49:58 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id PAA19256; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 15:49:07 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 15:49:07 -0700 Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 15:49:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708302249.PAA20566@denmark.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: new guy, spinning compass needles Resent-Message-ID: <"ATl-D.0.mi4.YDA2q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/351 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > If a electromagnet is activated >near a bunch of compasses shouldn't the compasses spin when power is shut >off also? > They can spin if the electromagnet is given an electrical pulse, giving the compass needle a pulse of torque at the right orientation to the earth's field. A switch to a steady on or off may let the needle swing undamped to the field's new orientation, so may take a few reversals to settle. -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 30 17:10:50 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id RAA31109; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 17:10:25 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 17:10:25 -0700 From: rvanspaa@eisa.net.au (Robin van Spaandonk) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: blatantly babbling scalars Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 00:09:57 GMT Organization: Improving Message-ID: <3412d4d8.34524329@mail.eisa.net.au> References: <199708290123.LAA28589@nornet.nor.com.au> In-Reply-To: <199708290123.LAA28589@nornet.nor.com.au> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"pNOZP2.0.tb7.mPB2q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/352 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Fri, 29 Aug 1997 11:23:18 +1000, Peter Nielsen wrote: [snip] >>> Frankly, this sounds a bit like a retro mindset. Let's forget about who's >>> the "authority" and address the basic inconsistencies that exist in saying >>> that generation of scalars can have no gradient function. >> > >So what about the issue of scalar gradients. Surely the gradient of a scalar is a vector, and hence no longer a scalar? [snip] Regards, Robin van Spaandonk -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Check out: http://www.eisa.net.au/~rvanspaa for how CF depends on temperature. "....,then he should stop, and he will catch up..." PS - no SPAM thanks! -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 30 17:12:39 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id RAA29495; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 17:11:47 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 17:11:47 -0700 (PDT) From: rvanspaa@eisa.net.au (Robin van Spaandonk) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: blatantly babbling scalars Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 00:09:55 GMT Organization: Improving Message-ID: <3411d2ad.33969562@mail.eisa.net.au> References: <199708280011.KAA24152@nornet.nor.com.au> <3404FAC8.5B8B@tiac.net> In-Reply-To: <3404FAC8.5B8B@tiac.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"VRIIW2.0.dC7.zQB2q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/353 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Wed, 27 Aug 1997 21:12:56 -0700, Bob Shannon wrote: [snip] >The bifilar coil has adjecent conductors with opposite current flows, >but the bucking coils have current flowing in the same direction. [snip] Whether or not coils "buck" depends upon their physical placement. Just like two magnets. Place them next to one another with current going in the same direction, and they "buck". Place them one after the other coaxially, and they attract. So should I assume from the above, that you meant two coils that are either physically interwoven, or next to one another (not coaxial)? Note that two identical coaxial coils, placed end to end, with current going in opposite directions will buck. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Check out: http://www.eisa.net.au/~rvanspaa for how CF depends on temperature. "....,then he should stop, and he will catch up..." PS - no SPAM thanks! -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 30 20:57:15 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id UAA23385; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 20:56:49 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 20:56:49 -0700 Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 20:56:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708310356.UAA07006@germany.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: mrandall@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Michael Randall Subject: Re: I am Back & SMOT Mk2 Beta 5 Resent-Message-ID: <"6kXuK3.0.Ij5.0kE2q"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/355 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi Greg, <....> >THE SMOT KITS WILL LEAVE HERE AS NO ADJUSTMENT "WORKING" ROLLAROUND >OVERUNITY UNITS. >Everyone who purchased a SMOT kit will have what they REALLY wanted. A >desktop OU unit. Yes, great news! <...> >Simple Magnetic Overunity Toy ............... YOU MUST BE KIDDING. > Ha Ha Ha! Still laughing on this one!!! :-) Best Regards, Michael Randall From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 30 21:21:53 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id VAA20874; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 21:21:33 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 21:21:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 21:20:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708310420.VAA13767@italy.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: The inertial tap Resent-Message-ID: <"_UF0J2.0.365.B5F2q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/356 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I was reading in a late 1940's book on magnetic control the idea of a load coil (AC) on a ferromagnetic core controlled by DC in a control winding. The problem with a simple 2 coil arrangement is that the AC was introduced into the DC winding, or the DC winding appeared as a short circuit to the AC. The solution was 3 windings on each leg of an "E" core. The 2 outer windings were connected in series so their flux was cancelled in the center leg where the control winding was placed. Thus no AC was introduced into the control winding, which was used to vary the saturation of the AC coil inductance. Sounds like Fred's idea of inertial gap. -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 31 16:06:58 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id QAA15455; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 16:06:34 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 16:06:34 -0700 (PDT) From: PROTIEUS@aol.com Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 19:04:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970831190441_2083199684@emout20.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: I am Back & SMOT Mk2 Beta 5 Resent-Message-ID: <"fMtyh3.0.Nn3.rZV2q"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/371 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: hello, curious ...what does this "SMOT " DO..?