From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 1 00:28:59 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id AAA07288; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 00:28:40 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 00:28:40 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 00:28:35 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Tesla's power receiver In-Reply-To: <37A327B9.7B10@cyberportal.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"HRLNC3.0.nn1.dS_et"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11200 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Sat, 31 Jul 1999, Bruce A. Perreault wrote: > Bruce A. Perreault responds: > > Bill, surely you attended one of my lectures presented at last > weeks Exotic Research conference. Yes, but similar devices were discussed in about 1992 on Keelynet. It was a patent for a high frequency resonator connected to a longwire antenna suspended a few feet above the ground. A spark gap and power supply was part of it. Supposedly when conditions were just right, large amounts of excess energy were produced, but no theory was given. Back then I had no clue as to how it might work. What was the device I saw at the conference? You described what it does, but didn't give details. Was it powered by a high-freq AC supply, or by DC? > The radiant energy device is in tune with "storm frequency." This is > right around 500Khz. That might be the key. If these "spark driven antenna" devices will only work at certain frequencies, the inventors might occasionally get certain devices to work sometimes, but might not know why. However, my understanding is entirely in terms of conventional electronics. If there is some unorthodox physics involved, then a conventional explanation must fail. In thinking further about the DC version of resonant reception, I see that the principle is much simpler: just receive the incoming microamps across a pre-charged antenna. If a large antenna is collecting a few microamps at 1V, we draw off a few microwatts. (Use an electrical load with a high resistance to keep the antenna from discharging.) Instead, if we charge the same antenna to 1 MV, then we can draw off watts. (If positive current is flowing down from the sky, then the antenna polarity must be made positive in order to increase the energy flow.) Same current, increased voltage, increased energy flow. But if we electrify the antenna, won't it repel the incoming charge? If the ionosphere's potential is up in the megavolts, then charging our DC receiver antenna entirely cannot prevent the charge flow as long as the antenna's total area is fairly large. Placing negative ion generators on the antenna would lower the resistance of the air, which would create increased energy collection as long as the voltage drop within each ion generator was small compared to the antenna's potential to ground. Tesla's devices apparantly used a process like this, making ions while avoiding outbreaks of arcing. ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com http://www.amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 1 02:25:44 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id CAA19446; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 02:25:20 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 02:25:20 -0700 From: "Harvey Norris" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Inductance Comparisons Message-Id: <933499486.19349.29@excite.com> Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 02:24:46 PDT X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 207.220.167.27 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"owaCu2.0.kl4._91ft"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11201 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Many folk have heard me talk about this Binary Resonant System or BRS as I acronym it. This was the result of giving up the research on a copper magnetic motor which was deemed impractical. Of this it was discovered how huge air inductance coils used in newman devices from the early days could produce this ringing effect whereby the frequency was far in excess to that produced by earlier methods made by tesla that are founded on the quarter wavelength theory. In the newman coils this ringing was accomplished by interupting a dc induction arc via commutation and somehow this ringing either recharged the battery source or aided in the magnets rotation or both. Back then 10 years ago the free energy field was wide open concerning gullibility. Then is then, and now is now. When you take out the garbage you dont always throw everything away. So it is time to hear more remarkable things. In getting an exposure of the BRS idea over a year on the internet I have had about 1600 hits on the message board, not a remarkable number at all. So now it is time to present a scientific paradox once again to confound the thinkers of our time. So as Paul Harvey says, Here is the rest of the story... The BR system was initially not discovered as a high induction system as used with newman size coils. It was reasoned out that two pathways existed between unobvious potentials and this experimentation first found fruit as a method to light flourescent bulbs without a ballast or transformer from the 120 v ac wall voltage. It was then that it was understood that both pathways were schematically the same and the idea was then attempted. Before that it was not known by me how two series resonant phases 180 out of phase would react when connected at their midpoints. This kind of system was one of many 500 foot 18 gauge coils plugged straight into the wall and flourescents in series across the midpoints of the two series resonant high amperage circuits. Simple radio shack connector leads connected these coils of 18 gauge wire and I knew or thought that if any interuption occured across the midpoints I would have a meltdown of the connecting wires since an open condition would give maximum amperage conduction determined by the resistance of the coils themselves. It was only later when I applied the idea to the safer 56 Henry coils that I discovered the high frequency effect far superior to that used by the primitive arcing effects employed by the DC commutator of a newman coil. That effect broadcast great radio interference and this pinging had to be continually made in his invention by every individual arcing on the commutator, yet the BRS method produced a continual high frequency oscillation of ringing that barely even bled off as EM radiation in comparison! Now the applications I see for this ringing are entirely different from that of a copper magnetic motor as Newman envisioned by his original inspiration, but that is not the subject of THIS post. The original inductance of the high amperage BRS was about .2 Henry. It will supply about 760 volts AC on open switch condition, something I avoided before by never opening the switch because it would have melted all the connecting wires between coils. Thus to resurrect this system means the painstaking soldering of 18 gauge connections between about 30 or so coils. This needs to be done to see if the same effect that occurs on the 56 H BRS will occur on the .2 H BRS. WHEN AN ARC GAP IS USED AS THE LOAD TO PRODUCE A HIGH FREQUENCY EFFECT. Because of the fact that the high amperage BRS was initially considered dangerous for a meltdown of connecting wires between coils back in 95, and the fact that this high frequency effect had not been discovered at that time, and because of the fact that I am less cautious now about dealing with higher amperage currents going to ground; all of these facts mean the next exploration must definitely go in this direction. This is the meaning of TWO GROUNDS, to determine how much influence can be obtained from a single post to ground using a high amperage BRS with each of the posts as terminals to earth. Of course the detractors have said I cannot make a high frequency system with a mere 760 volts predicted from this high amperage BRS. They say it takes a couple thousands of volts. I dont think so. I use long copper bars separated a very small distance along their lengths for the air gaps. Again we have the know it alls that once they have seen the construction of an arc gap used on a tesla primary: they think all these arc gaps must look the same way according to this conditioned thinking... In fact the arc gaps I am talking about have absolutely nothing to do with the noisy great white discharges present in a tesla primary arc gap. It aint, it even isnt remotely the same critter. The arcs I am speaking of are automatically self quenching,almost totally quiet, and of a purple or blue colour of very short length because the terminals or connections can be placed that close together in the first place and not act as a dead short which would happen on a tesla primary because of its inherent quenching problems. Now that the bitching is out of the way I can make my point. If the .2 H BRS of 760 volts is insufficient to enable the starting mechanism of arcing, I can connect it in parallel with the 56 H BRS. With that system connected to a small 440 volt transformer it will supply 12,000 volts across its load at open connection, which in this case only means that the arc gap it uses to do its gig now becomes that same arc gap for the .2 system. The high voltage system then becomes the spark igniter for the lower voltage,higher amperage .2 H BRS. HOWEVER AT THE MOMENT THAT SPARK OCCURS WE HAVE THE INSTANCE OF A VERY HIGH INDUCTANCE BEING THEN IN PARALLEL WITH A LOW INDUCTANCE. If each of these systems were even remotely connected in parallel prior to this arcing the inductance laws of being in parallel necessitates that their equivalent inductance in parallel would be very low, so low that this use as an initiator voltage would be wiped out. So only experimentation gives the final word on how things work. A high amperage, low induction BRS gives us one possibility. A high voltage, high induction and low amperage system gives another possibility. But schematically if we combine these two in parallel, it is like combining a dominant and recessive gene in biology, and it sinks to the lowest level. If anyone doesnt fathom what I am talking about, go to your referance book that contains the equation for inductances in parallel, and 56 h in parallel to the lower value of .2 h becomes as a whole about .2 h and not a middle value of 25 h. This means that two different BRS can never be combined until exactly the moment they are intended to act in combination. This means that the high q that makes the high voltage on the high induction BRS will never exist if it is not kept in isolation from its cousin, another BRS of comparitive low induction<, and high amperage. What this means if the problem goes that far, even the sharing of a simultaneously used arc gap will shut the high voltage system down by making the two systems appear in parallel too soon, but we will never fathom this because nothing will work to begin with, but however this very reasoning will give a reason why it didnt work. If such a prognosis is reached by experimentation, most people will give up. However the final endeavor to achieve this idea cannot be dismissed without the reverse application of a rotary arc gap whereby this simultaneous application of high voltage/high amperage to the load or arc gap as exists in this scenario by the coordinated on/off functions of this device can achieve its intended objective. Now I wonder if there is any foolish english teachers who would care to find the verb in that last sentence and perhaps diagram it out for the students of language. I have tried to diagram things according to a different understanding. Sincerly HDN ________________________________________________________________ Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 1 07:12:56 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id HAA22781; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 07:12:37 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 07:12:37 -0700 From: JNaudin509@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 10:11:53 EDT Subject: I come back again... To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, vortex-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 144 Resent-Message-ID: <"jhobg1.0.oZ5.KN5ft"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11202 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dear All, Nice to speak with you again, I am just come back from my summer holidays, now, I am ready to go further in the development of new fascinating technologies... I need a few time to read all the Emails..my mailbox is completly overloaded... Best Regards, Jean-Louis Naudin Email: Jnaudin509@aol.com Overunity Web site: http://members.aol.com/jnaudin509/index.htm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 1 09:55:01 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA19390; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 09:54:36 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 09:54:36 -0700 From: Trevmaniac@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 12:53:49 EDT Subject: Re: Inductance Comparisons To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Resent-Message-ID: <"FLKoi1.0.tk4.Cl7ft"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11203 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: How do I access your message board or web site that discusses BRS? Trev From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 1 11:25:08 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA06058; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 11:24:45 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 11:24:45 -0700 From: "Harvey Norris" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Inductance Comparisons Message-Id: <933531882.9016.236@excite.com> Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 11:24:42 PDT X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 207.220.167.57 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"JfM1H3.0.VU1.j39ft"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11204 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Sun, 1 Aug 1999 12:53:49 EDT, Trevmaniac@aol.com wrote: > How do I access your message board or web site that discusses BRS? > > Trev > http://www.insidetheweb.com/mbs.cgi/mb124201 ________________________________________________________________ Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 1 12:26:28 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA24238; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 12:25:39 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 12:25:39 -0700 From: "Harvey Norris" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Inductance Comparisons Message-Id: <933535508.28390.803@excite.com> Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 12:25:08 PDT X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 207.220.167.27 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"LxZNk2.0.dw5.oy9ft"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11205 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Sun, 01 Aug 1999 11:24:42 PDT, Harvey Norris wrote: > On Sun, 1 Aug 1999 12:53:49 EDT, Trevmaniac@aol.com wrote: > > > How do I access your message board or web site that discusses BRS? > > > > Trev > > > http://www.insidetheweb.com/mbs.cgi/mb124201 > > Also see 4 phase electrical system on Rowland BBS http://bbs.rowlandnet.com/cgi-bin/WebX?7@^273132@.ee76eaf/7 ________________________________________________________________ Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 1 13:19:40 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA02592; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 13:17:22 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 13:17:22 -0700 Message-ID: <37A4ACC5.73B9@cyberportal.net> Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 16:23:33 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Power Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Tesla's power receiver References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"4Xd5M3.0.Pe.HjAft"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11206 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: William Beaty wrote: > > On Sat, 31 Jul 1999, Bruce A. Perreault wrote: > > > Bruce A. Perreault responds: > > > > Bill, surely you attended one of my lectures presented at last > > weeks Exotic Research conference. > > Yes, but similar devices were discussed in about 1992 on Keelynet. It was > a patent for a high frequency resonator connected to a longwire antenna > suspended a few feet above the ground. A spark gap and power supply was > part of it. Supposedly when conditions were just right, large amounts of > excess energy were produced, but no theory was given. Back then I had no > clue as to how it might work. Keelynet was not even online in 1992. I am assuming that you are referring to the BBS. The Patent that I know of that even comes close is United States Patent No. 253,765 Prentice Sept. 15, 1925 This patent is tuned to the 500Khz. storm frequency. This patent refers to this energy as "earth currents." This patent is a crude form of Moray's radiant device. The Prentice patent has many disavantages. The greatest drawback of this patent is the half mile length of antenna being supported six inches above the ground. The input of this invention is stated to be 500 watts. Even though the output is claimed to be around 3,000 watts, this representing a six times gain vs. input, it is not self-sustaining. It is apparent that there is great loss in this system because spark-gaps are used to generate the high-frequency required to tune into these "earth currents." > > What was the device I saw at the conference? * The device at the conference was a "Proof Of Concept (POP)" radiant energy device. It was not self-sustaining but was the first step in introducing the concept. I will be working on building a POP radiant device that will light up a bank of light bulbs and possibly be self-sustaining for future conferences. > > You described what it does, but didn't give details. * The details are in my Radiant Energy Research Manual. This is a free download from my website. http://www.cyberportal.net/nuenergy/manual.pdf I simply did not have time to go over all of the details. However, I did say that Don Smith's circuits were pretty close. Don's circuits are using spark-gaps that expel most of the energy that is being captured. His circuits are also using diodes that are not in tune with the incoming energy. This is why Don's circuit keeps on blowing up expensive capacitors. I also pointed out that Don deserves credit for his work even though he has not refined the circuits yet. > > Was it powered by a high-freq AC supply, or by DC? * Both... 12 volts direct current is required to power the PUMPING circuit. The white PVC container housed a flyback transformer. If you had come up to the demonstration table when my lecture was completed you would have seen this flyback transformer. I removed the PVC cover to reveal this transformer that was nestled within the container. The flyback puts out about ten-thousand volts peak to peak, at about 25Khz. used for the conference demonstration. The circuit used milliwatts of power. I had the output feeding a valve circuit using 20K diodes that have a 1000 nano-seconds recovery rate, and this circuit connected the antenna that I had assistants holding up between electrical insulators. The frequency response of the diodes are rated at the flyback frequency. In a self-sustaining prototype high-voltage diodes with a 500Khz. response will have to be used to change the frequency into direct current for the output stage. Moray's output stage was 6Khz. Don's output is around 30Khz, making Don's output even more efficient than Moray's. However, the problem with Don's circuit is that most of his captured energy is being dumped back out through his spark gaps. Then there is the problem with the diodes blowing out the capacitors. I am quite sure that Don is tuning into external sources of electrostatic r.f. I have been told that he once stated at a conference that if his device was tuned to a local A.M. radio station then he could draw all of its power. This is what tells me that he knows what he is doing. > > > The radiant energy device is in tune with "storm frequency." This is > > right around 500Khz. > > That might be the key. If these "spark driven antenna" devices will only > work at certain frequencies, the inventors might occasionally get certain > devices to work sometimes, but might not know why. * It is the key! > > However, my understanding is entirely in terms of conventional > electronics. If there is some unorthodox physics involved, then a > conventional explanation must fail. * There is no "fringe science" involved once you understand the underlining precepts. Like I said at last weeks Exotic Research Conference, let's take this science out of the fringe and bring it into the standard science relm and we will get the support that we need. > > In thinking further about the DC version of resonant reception, > I see that the principle is much simpler: just receive the incoming > microamps across a pre-charged antenna. If a large antenna is collecting > a few microamps at 1V, we draw off a few microwatts. (Use an electrical > load with a high resistance to keep the antenna from discharging.) Instead, > if we charge the same antenna to 1 MV, then we can draw off watts. (If > positive current is flowing down from the sky, then the antenna polarity must > be made positive in order to increase the energy flow.) Same current, > increased voltage, increased energy flow. * Yes, the sky contains more positive ions than negative ions. It is my opinion that the antenna acts only as a capacity to this energy. It is the earth ground rod that draws from the reservoir of negative ions released by lightning surges around the globe. > > But if we electrify the antenna, won't it repel the incoming charge? If > the ionosphere's potential is up in the megavolts, then charging our DC > receiver antenna entirely cannot prevent the charge flow as long as the > antenna's total area is fairly large. * Using direct current as a pump in my experience does not work because the circuitry that I have tried has too high of a resistance and you dampens the current to be collected. If we could use direct current as our pumping voltage then it would have to be in series with the source. Meaning that the circuit antenna would be negative and the ground rod would be postive. Remember, we are using the earth as our wire. The earth is the collecting surface! Best Regards, Bruce A. Perreault From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 1 17:11:48 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA19576; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 17:11:28 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 17:11:28 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990801201232.007c6100@mail.netrover.com> X-Sender: trebla@mail.netrover.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 20:12:32 -0400 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Marcus Cole Subject: ARDA's dielectric media and electrode shapes In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"3djbh.0.nn4.m8Eft"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11207 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hello all I have been lately trying to design an engine-like ARDA(on papers only) for submersibles or even aircraft,(who knows how it'l work out!), and to go further, i need to know a few things. the engine resembles that of jet engines found on boeings. in front of the cylinder, i place a beaded needle-like electrode. It as a screwed exterior extends outside the end of the bead to connect inside the cylender, so as to make the water spin inside. the interior of the cylender is also threaded, to accentuate the spinning water. At the end of the engine, inside is a plug like to direct and compress the exiting water flow. The first thing that i need to know is quite simple, really. On mr. Naudin's web site, it is mentioned that the EHD runs in a dielectric media, like air or aether. Does that include water? If not, why? The second thing i need to know, is if the EHD would work if one or both electrode(s) are covered with insulators. Since the engine is for a submarine or a boat, at least one of the 2 electrodes would need to be insulated, to prevent short-circuits. I'm not a wealthy guy, and do not want to loose money or time in a doomed project(i.e. this one!) so if you strongly think that i shouldn't be trying it out, please let me know :) Marcus Cole From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 1 17:43:02 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA26159; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 17:42:47 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 17:42:47 -0700 Message-Id: <199908020046.VAA13358@bigbox.plug-in.com.br> From: "Marcelo Puhl" Organization: Computec Ltda To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 21:42:36 -3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Reply to Erik comments about David Hamel Connection Web site Reply-to: mark@plug-in.com.br CC: "Timothy Flytcher" Priority: normal In-reply-to: <19990731062947.52693.qmail@hotmail.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Resent-Message-ID: <"4YMeE3.0.aO6.7cEft"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11208 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > Hi All... > > >You arent missing anything...it's all pseudo-scientific mush! > > > >If you know David Hamel story, you probably know he don't get all his > >informations in a "scientific way". > > I have studied the pyramids for years and have found that 99% of the > "scientists" are not looking for truth... and 80% have never even been > there!!!! so David Hamel is in good company... > > good night :) > Timothy... > Have you read the Sitchin's book "The wars of gods and men" ? It has an interesting description of the interior of the great pyramid and its functions. --- Marcelo Puhl mark@plug-in.com.br From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 2 00:38:27 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id AAA17754; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 00:38:06 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 00:38:06 -0700 From: MKSBoysal@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 03:35:25 EDT Subject: Blue Beam Project (must read!) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 To: undisclosed-recipients:; Resent-Message-ID: <"BO13y2.0.JL4.ThKft"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11209 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: << Hi there everyone, This information is something to behold, I heard in past some bits and pieces but never like this regarding to this subject below, but was merely a few pieces of the puzzle. Here below you'll get the whole picture, its so fascinating. Let us remember this information that, time to come we may a have greater understanding of super natural. Not that can't happen but we are entering a very dangerous area that man is becoming gods on earth. As has been said if its too good to be true, let us watch out that it may very well be a deception. Be wise as serpents and harmless as doves... Mehmet.>> What is the Blue Beam Project? What is the Blue Beam Project? by David Openheimer It involves two things. A technologically simulated "second coming" and the reemmrgence of new "MONTAUK" type projects that have the ability to take up a whole bunch of people as in a "rapture" type of situation and whisk the whole bunch into never-never land. Ironically, portions of the holographic projections have the potential for changing the planet into oneness with God. Unfortunately, this operates on the premise that Man shall somehow become God in human form and control other Men and dictate all actions and thoughts. The calculated resistance to the new religion, the New World Order and the new "Messiah" will entail human loss on a massive scale in the ensuing "holy wars".The "BLUE BEAM PROJECT" will pretend to be the universal fulfillment of the prophecies of old; as major an event as that which took place 2000 years ago. In principle, it will make use of the sky as a holographic projection screen for space-based laser-generating satellites (star wars). These projectors will project simultaneous images to the four corners of the planet, in every language by region. It deals with the religious aspect of the NEW WORLD ORDER. The "system" has already been tested. Holographic projections of the "CHRIST IMAGE" have already been seen in some remote desert areas. These have only been reported in tabloid papers, so they are instantly rendered moot. They can also project images of alien craft, aliens, monsters, angels - you name it. Computers will coordinate the satellites and software will run the show-and-tell. Hollography is based on very nearly identical signals combining to produce and image, or hologram, with depth perception. This is equally applicable to acoustic (ELF,VLF,LF) waves as it is to optical phenomena. Specifically, the "show" will consist of laser projections of multiple holographic images to different parts of the planet, each receiving different images according to the predominating regional religious faith. Not a single area will be excluded. With computer animation and sound effects appearing to come from the depths of space, astonished followers of the various creeds will witness their own returned Messiah in spectacularly convincing lifelike realness. The various images of Christ, Mohammed, Buddha, Krishna, etc., will merge into ONE after "correct explanation" of the mysteries, prophecies and revelations are disclosed. This "ONE GOD" will in fact function as the "Anti-Christ", who will "explain" that the various scriptures "have been misunderstood"- that the religious of old are responsible for turning brother against brother, nation against nation - that the religions of the world must be abolished to make way for the GOLDEN AGE (NEW AGE) of the One World Religion, representing the One God they see before them. Naturally, this superbly staged, full-scale production will result in social and religious disorder on a massive scale. Wonder what the television transmitters of religious networks will be doing on that day ? But before all this, they have to go through four different steps in order to get to Project Blue Beam. 1: The first step concerns the breakdown of all archaological knowledge. It deals with staging earthquakes at certain precise locations around the planet where supposed new "discoveries" will finally explain (for them) that the meanings of the basic doctrines of all the world`s major religions are "wrong." This falsification will be used to make the population believe that all religious doctrine has been misunderstood and misinterpreted. The falsification started with the film 2001: A Space Odessy, the TV-series STAR TREK, the STAR WARS films, E.T., all of which deal with space "invasion" and "protection". JURASSIC PARK, was to push the theory of evolution. 2: The second step deals with the gigantic space show: 3D optical holograms and sounds, laser projections of multiple holographic images in different parts of the world, each receiving a different image, according to its predetermined original national religious faith. This new "god" image will talk in all languages. As an exemple, the Soviets have manufactured the advanced computers and have programmed them with the minute psychological particles based upon their studies of the anatomy and biology of the human body, as well as their studies on the anatomy, chemistry and electricity of the humain brain. These computers have also been fed with the different languages of the world. 3: The third step deals with telepathic electronic two-way communication, where ELF(Extra Low Frequency), VLF (Very Low Frequency), and LF (Low Frequency) waves will reach the people of the earth through the insides of their brains, making each person believe that his own God is speaking to him from within his owm soul. Such rays, from satellite, are fed from the memory of computers that store much data about the human being and his languages. These rays will then interlace and interweave with the natural thinking processes to form what we call the ARTIFICIAL TALK. 4: The fourth step involves universal supernatural manifestations using electronic means. This step contains three different orientations: The first one is to make mankind believe that an alien invasion is about to occur upon every major city on the earth. This is to push each major nation into using its nuclear capability to strike back. In this manner, it would put each of these nations in a state of full disarmament before the United Nations after the false attack. The second is to make the "christian" believe that a major rapture is occurring, with a simple "played" divine imtervention of an alleged "good" alien force coming to save the good people from a brutal satanic attack. Its goal is to get rid of all significant opposition to the NEW WORLD ORDER. The third orientation is a mixture of electronic and supernatural forces. The waves (frequencies) used at that time will allow supernatural forces to travel through fiber optics cable, coaxial cable,electric and telephone lines in order to penetrate all electronic equipment and appliances that will by then all have a special microship installed. The goal of this step deals with the materialization of satanic ghosts, spectres, and poltergeists all across the globe in order to push all populations to the edge of a wave of suicide, killing and permanent psychological disorder. After that night of the THOUSAND STARS, HUMANITY IS BELIEVED TO BE READY FOR THEM TO ENTER IN A "NEW MESSIAH" TO REESTABLISH PEACE EVERYWHERE AT ANY COST, EVEN AT THE COST OF FREEDOM. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 2 01:34:26 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id BAA24968; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 01:34:02 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 01:34:02 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 01:34:00 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Tesla's power receiver In-Reply-To: <37A4ACC5.73B9@cyberportal.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"eN-v1.0.166.wVLft"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11210 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Sun, 1 Aug 1999, Bruce A. Perreault wrote: > William Beaty wrote: > > Yes, but similar devices were discussed in about 1992 on Keelynet. It was > > a patent for a high frequency resonator connected to a longwire antenna > > suspended a few feet above the ground. A spark gap and power supply was > > part of it. Supposedly when conditions were just right, large amounts of > > excess energy were produced, but no theory was given. Back then I had no > > clue as to how it might work. > > > Keelynet was not even online in 1992. I am assuming that you are > referring to the BBS. The Patent that I know of that even comes > close is United States Patent No. 253,765 Prentice Sept. 15, 1925 That must be the one. Long antenna, close to the ground. > This patent is tuned to the 500Khz. storm frequency. This patent > refers to this energy as "earth currents." This patent is a crude > form of Moray's radiant device. The Prentice patent has many > disavantages. The greatest drawback of this patent is the half > mile length of antenna being supported six inches above the > ground. The input of this invention is stated to be 500 watts. > Even though the output is claimed to be around 3,000 watts, this > representing a six times gain vs. input, it is not self-sustaining. > It is apparent that there is great loss in this system because > spark-gaps are used to generate the high-frequency required to > tune into these "earth currents." Looks like Prentice stumbled onto a genuine phenomenon, but didn't have the correct theory to explain it (and to allow improvements to hardware.) > > What was the device I saw at the conference? > > > * The device at the conference was a "Proof Of Concept (POP)" > radiant energy device. It was not self-sustaining but was the > first step in introducing the concept. I will be working on > building a POP radiant device that will light up a bank of light > bulbs and possibly be self-sustaining for future conferences. I'm stunned, because I think I finally understand what Tesla was always jabbering about, and your device should work just as you say. (It might be necessary to put the antenna outdoors to avoid the electrostatic shielding provided by the metal in the walls and ceiling.) > I have been told that he once stated at a conference that if his > device was tuned to a local A.M. radio station then he could draw all > of its power. This is what tells me that he knows what he is doing. Yep. If he was within a quarter-wavelength of the AM transmitter, and if his antenna could support the hundreds of KV, then even a small antenna could create an AC voltage field which cancels the electrostatic part of the radio wave from the AM station. "Cancel" really means "totally absorb", since the cancellation process causes a huge energy flow between the AM radio transmitter and the tiny receiving antenna. > * Using direct current as a pump in my experience does not work because > the circuitry that I have tried has too high of a resistance and you > dampens > the current to be collected. If we could use direct current as our > pumping voltage then it would have to be in series with the source. > Meaning that the circuit antenna would be negative and the ground rod > would be postive. I agree. The DC version is an interesting toy, but it appears that the AC version is the one which supplies significant power. As Tesla always said, this is *not* Hertzian waves. In modern terms, it is "near field" physics, where e-fields and b-fields behave as separate phenomena. By allowing high-voltage AC waves to appear on a resonant antenna, "electrostatic" receivers become possible. It's like holding an antenna near a 60Hz high tension power line: it's capacitive coupling to the AC hi voltage in the environment, and *not* the reception of radio waves. It only works when the distances between the source and the receiver are less than 1/4 wavelength. If the source and receiver are enclosed in a resonant chamber (below the ionosphere), then everything within the chamber is "near field," and we can build an electrostatic energy-receiving antenna. ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com http://www.amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 2 07:34:01 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id HAA07545; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 07:33:01 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 07:33:01 -0700 Message-ID: <000b01bedcdc$be258b80$02da82d1@felis-catus> From: "Felis Catus" To: Subject: Re: Blue Beam Project (must read!) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 07:47:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"7C_oP3.0.or1.SmQft"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11211 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Does this nonsense really belong in a group that purports to be a discussion group on alternative energy technologies? Is there any 'experimental' protocol/proof of these vapourings, aside from 'boysals' assertion that this is so? Is the CIA bouncing laser beams off my windows, back to a photocell arrangement & thereby turning them into a sensitive microphone as I read this? [Yes, this technology is said to exist, but don't the Police have better things to do with their time? Like catch criminals?] Would such 'Blue Beam' or "blue sky" stuff better belong at groups such as: alt.conspiracy.com? felis catus felis@frontiernet.net 8/02/99 -----Original Message----- From: MKSBoysal@aol.com To: undisclosed-recipients:; Date: Monday, August 02, 1999 3:38 AM Subject: Blue Beam Project (must read!) ><< Hi there everyone, >This information is something to behold, I heard in past some bits and pieces >but never like this regarding to this subject below, but was merely a few >pieces of the puzzle. >Here below you'll get the whole picture, its so fascinating. >Let us remember this information that, time to come we may a have greater >understanding of super natural. Not that can't happen but we are entering a >very dangerous area that man is becoming gods on earth. > As has been said if its too good to be true, let us watch out that it may >very well be a deception. >Be wise as serpents and harmless as doves... >Mehmet.>> > >What is the Blue Beam Project? >What is the Blue Beam Project? >by David Openheimer > >It involves two things. A technologically simulated "second coming" and the >reemmrgence of new "MONTAUK" type projects >that have the ability to take up a whole bunch of people as in a "rapture" >type of situation and whisk the whole bunch into >never-never land. Ironically, portions of the holographic projections have >the potential for changing the planet into oneness with >God. Unfortunately, this operates on the premise that Man shall somehow >become God in human form and control other Men and >dictate all actions and thoughts. The calculated resistance to the new >religion, the New World Order and the new "Messiah" will >entail human loss on a massive scale in the ensuing "holy wars".The "BLUE >BEAM PROJECT" will pretend to be the universal >fulfillment of the prophecies of old; as major an event as that which took >place 2000 years ago. In principle, it will make use of the >sky as a holographic projection screen for space-based laser-generating >satellites (star wars). These projectors will project >simultaneous images to the four corners of the planet, in every language by >region. It deals with the religious aspect of the NEW >WORLD ORDER. > >The "system" has already been tested. Holographic projections of the "CHRIST >IMAGE" have already been seen in some remote >desert areas. These have only been reported in tabloid papers, so they are >instantly rendered moot. They can also project images >of alien craft, aliens, monsters, angels - you name it. Computers will >coordinate the satellites and software will run the >show-and-tell. > >Hollography is based on very nearly identical signals combining to produce >and image, or hologram, with depth perception. This is >equally applicable to acoustic (ELF,VLF,LF) waves as it is to optical >phenomena. > >Specifically, the "show" will consist of laser projections of multiple >holographic images to different parts of the planet, each >receiving different images according to the predominating regional religious >faith. Not a single area will be excluded. With >computer animation and sound effects appearing to come from the depths of >space, astonished followers of the various creeds will >witness their own returned Messiah in spectacularly convincing lifelike >realness. > >The various images of Christ, Mohammed, Buddha, Krishna, etc., will merge >into ONE after "correct explanation" of the >mysteries, prophecies and revelations are disclosed. This "ONE GOD" will in >fact function as the "Anti-Christ", who will "explain" >that the various scriptures "have been misunderstood"- that the religious of >old are responsible for turning brother against brother, >nation against nation - that the religions of the world must be abolished to >make way for the GOLDEN AGE (NEW AGE) of the >One World Religion, representing the One God they see before them. > >Naturally, this superbly staged, full-scale production will result in social >and religious disorder on a massive scale. Wonder what the >television transmitters of religious networks will be doing on that day ? > >But before all this, they have to go through four different steps in order to >get to Project Blue Beam. > >1: The first step concerns the breakdown of all archaological knowledge. It >deals with staging earthquakes at certain precise >locations around the planet where supposed new "discoveries" will finally >explain (for them) that the meanings of the basic >doctrines of all the world`s major religions are "wrong." This falsification >will be used to make the population believe that all >religious doctrine has been misunderstood and misinterpreted. The >falsification started with the film 2001: A Space Odessy, the >TV-series STAR TREK, the STAR WARS films, E.T., all of which deal with space >"invasion" and "protection". JURASSIC >PARK, was to push the theory of evolution. > >2: The second step deals with the gigantic space show: 3D optical holograms >and sounds, laser projections of multiple holographic >images in different parts of the world, each receiving a different image, >according to its predetermined original national religious >faith. This new "god" image will talk in all languages. As an exemple, the >Soviets have manufactured the advanced computers and >have programmed them with the minute psychological particles based upon their >studies of the anatomy and biology of the human >body, as well as their studies on the anatomy, chemistry and electricity of >the humain brain. These computers have also been fed >with the different languages of the world. > >3: The third step deals with telepathic electronic two-way communication, >where ELF(Extra Low Frequency), VLF (Very Low >Frequency), and LF (Low Frequency) waves will reach the people of the earth >through the insides of their brains, making each >person believe that his own God is speaking to him from within his owm soul. >Such rays, from satellite, are fed from the memory >of computers that store much data about the human being and his languages. >These rays will then interlace and interweave with >the natural thinking processes to form what we call the ARTIFICIAL TALK. > >4: The fourth step involves universal supernatural manifestations using >electronic means. This step contains three different >orientations: The first one is to make mankind believe that an alien invasion >is about to occur upon every major city on the earth. >This is to push each major nation into using its nuclear capability to strike >back. In this manner, it would put each of these nations >in a state of full disarmament before the United Nations after the false >attack. The second is to make the "christian" believe that a >major rapture is occurring, with a simple "played" divine imtervention of an >alleged "good" alien force coming to save the good >people from a brutal satanic attack. Its goal is to get rid of all >significant opposition to the NEW WORLD ORDER. The third >orientation is a mixture of electronic and supernatural forces. The waves >(frequencies) used at that time will allow supernatural >forces to travel through fiber optics cable, coaxial cable,electric and >telephone lines in order to penetrate all electronic equipment >and appliances that will by then all have a special microship installed. The >goal of this step deals with the materialization of satanic >ghosts, spectres, and poltergeists all across the globe in order to push all >populations to the edge of a wave of suicide, killing and >permanent psychological disorder. After that night of the THOUSAND STARS, >HUMANITY IS BELIEVED TO BE READY >FOR THEM TO ENTER IN A "NEW MESSIAH" TO REESTABLISH PEACE EVERYWHERE AT ANY >COST, EVEN AT >THE COST OF FREEDOM. > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 2 08:28:33 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id IAA31527; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 08:28:18 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 08:28:18 -0700 Message-ID: <37A5B90E.76249402@harti.com> Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 17:28:15 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Free Energy , Newman-L Mailing List , ATGROUP Subject: Magnetic Battery from Volker Hennig X-Priority: 1 (Highest) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"NbBvG2.0.Si7.HaRft"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11212 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi All, please have a look at this page. Looks like this is a valid new way to tap magnetic energy: http://bgph.de/vh/ Best regards, Stefan. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 2 09:14:44 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA21997; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 09:14:19 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 09:14:19 -0700 From: Keasy@aol.com Message-ID: <73cecbd5.24d71db5@aol.com> Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 12:13:41 EDT Subject: Re: Blue Beam Project (must read!) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 Resent-Message-ID: <"iia-D.0.cN5.RFSft"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11213 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: In a message dated 8/2/99 7:33:30 AM Pacific Daylight Time, felis@frontiernet.net writes: > Does this nonsense really belong in a group that purports to be a discussion > group on alternative energy technologies? I have no interest in this topic either and certainly have no authority in this group. However, off topic subjects come up from time to time and my vote would be to allow a post or two without criticism so long as the topic is likely to be of interest to some part of our group. Certainly lengthly discussions should be taken to the proper forum. Ken From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 2 09:23:44 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA25659; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 09:23:11 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 09:23:11 -0700 Message-ID: <002701bedd03$894e4100$08d1fea9@y9g6r3> From: "atglab" To: Subject: TMB Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 11:24:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"EHQL63.0.mG6.lNSft"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11214 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: TMB or Thermal Magnetic Battery, the web section is underconstruction and much data will be added throughout the week. Have a look, seems we are not the only ones working in this area. http://www.atgroup.org/tmb.htm Rex A. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 2 10:05:03 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA15154; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 10:04:32 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 10:04:32 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 10:04:28 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Tesla and voltage-signals as ball lightning! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"SZcAx2.0.hi3.V-Sft"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11215 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 2 Aug 1999, William Beaty wrote: > I'm stunned, because I think I finally understand what Tesla was always > jabbering about, and your device should work just as you say. (It might > be necessary to put the antenna outdoors to avoid the electrostatic > shielding provided by the metal in the walls and ceiling of a building.) Hey! Bruce P.'s 500KHZ "storm signal" is *electrostatic*, it does not resemble propagating EM waves; it is more like a voltage signal. Conventional radio waves are part electrostatic, part magnetic. Small amounts of grounded metal would block an electrostatic signal but wouldn't necessarily stop a conventional radio wave. A CONVENTIONAL LOOP ANTENNA WOULD NOT DETECT IT. Orthodox VLF/ELF research relies on loop antennas, and these receive the magnetic component of the EM wave. If the wave is not a true EM wave, and if the electrostatic component is far, far larger than the magnetic component, then modern science would have no clue that this enormous high frequency voltage-signal even exists! There might even be interesting noises in the electrostatic signal which don't appear in the magnetic part of the conventional radio wave. A long-wire antenna would not be the best receiver. The best receiver would need to have a large capacitance to the sky. It would be a large horizontal capacitor plate. Or maybe an acre-sized grid of wires all soldered to each other. This gives clues to the nature of the HAARP antenna. From the photos, I would say that the HAARP antenna is not exactly a phased array. It is more like a giant piezeoelectric crystal, where each antenna behaves as one atom. If this is true, then those little x-shaped antennas have very high voltage RF on them. Huh... what if nitrogen/oxygen plasma has a resonance near the storm frequency? The electrostatic storm-signal could explain Ball Lightning. One conventional BL explanation is the "Thunderstorm Maser" theory. If thunderstorms give out an unnoticed microwave signal, then plasmas could absorb it and stay energized. Wrong! If thunderstorms give out an unnoticed, non-microwave, voltage-only RF signal, then any globs of resonant plasma would act like enormous antennas, and would absorb energy and stay "lit." Multiple ball-lightnings might fight with each other, since each one would tend to shield the others from the storm signal. Does this mean that BLs should repel? Maybe these ideas would benefit Ham radio operators. People have been making noise about "crossed-field" antennas or CFAs, which act as efficient transmitters even though they are very small. Some tests show that these don't work. However, a HIGH VOLTAGE antenna might work. Same with a HIGH-CURRENT loop antenna. It could be very short. The voltage field is the antenna, and if the voltage field extends out for many yards, then the antenna acts as if it is many yards long. The simple way to accomplish this would be to build a tuned antenna with resonant voltage step-up, ala Tesla. A desktop 80-meter transmitting antenna would be a resonant coil with an intensely strong magnetic field, so strong that the antenna behaved like an 80-meter sphere of electromagnetic energy. ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com http://www.amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 2 10:44:56 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA31152; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 10:44:30 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 10:44:30 -0700 From: DEADWATE@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 13:43:37 EDT Subject: Re: Blue Beam Project (must read!) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 Resent-Message-ID: <"uTqq01.0.fc7.-ZTft"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11216 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Have you been smoking butt hairs? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 2 11:54:10 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA25899; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 11:53:31 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 11:53:31 -0700 Message-ID: <19990802185323.85153.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [208.254.227.149] From: "Timothy Flytcher" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Blue Beam Project (must laugh) Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 11:53:21 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"yGgIl.0.YK6.haUft"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11217 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: WOW!!!! this sound like fun!!!! so how can we push the start button :))) >From: MKSBoysal@aol.com >Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >To: undisclosed-recipients:; >Subject: Blue Beam Project (must read!) >Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 03:35:25 EDT > ><< Hi there everyone, >This information is something to behold, I heard in past some bits and >pieces >but never like this regarding to this subject below, but was merely a few >pieces of the puzzle. >Here below you'll get the whole picture, its so fascinating. >Let us remember this information that, time to come we may a have greater >understanding of super natural. Not that can't happen but we are entering a >very dangerous area that man is becoming gods on earth. > As has been said if its too good to be true, let us watch out that it may >very well be a deception. >Be wise as serpents and harmless as doves... >Mehmet.>> > >What is the Blue Beam Project? >What is the Blue Beam Project? >by David Openheimer > >It involves two things. A technologically simulated "second coming" and the >reemmrgence of new "MONTAUK" type projects >that have the ability to take up a whole bunch of people as in a "rapture" >type of situation and whisk the whole bunch into >never-never land. Ironically, portions of the holographic projections have >the potential for changing the planet into oneness with >God. Unfortunately, this operates on the premise that Man shall somehow >become God in human form and control other Men and >dictate all actions and thoughts. The calculated resistance to the new >religion, the New World Order and the new "Messiah" will >entail human loss on a massive scale in the ensuing "holy wars".The "BLUE >BEAM PROJECT" will pretend to be the universal >fulfillment of the prophecies of old; as major an event as that which took >place 2000 years ago. In principle, it will make use of the >sky as a holographic projection screen for space-based laser-generating >satellites (star wars). These projectors will project >simultaneous images to the four corners of the planet, in every language by >region. It deals with the religious aspect of the NEW >WORLD ORDER. > >The "system" has already been tested. Holographic projections of the >"CHRIST >IMAGE" have already been seen in some remote >desert areas. These have only been reported in tabloid papers, so they are >instantly rendered moot. They can also project images >of alien craft, aliens, monsters, angels - you name it. Computers will >coordinate the satellites and software will run the >show-and-tell. > >Hollography is based on very nearly identical signals combining to produce >and image, or hologram, with depth perception. This is >equally applicable to acoustic (ELF,VLF,LF) waves as it is to optical >phenomena. > >Specifically, the "show" will consist of laser projections of multiple >holographic images to different parts of the planet, each >receiving different images according to the predominating regional >religious >faith. Not a single area will be excluded. With >computer animation and sound effects appearing to come from the depths of >space, astonished followers of the various creeds will >witness their own returned Messiah in spectacularly convincing lifelike >realness. > >The various images of Christ, Mohammed, Buddha, Krishna, etc., will merge >into ONE after "correct explanation" of the >mysteries, prophecies and revelations are disclosed. This "ONE GOD" will in >fact function as the "Anti-Christ", who will "explain" >that the various scriptures "have been misunderstood"- that the religious >of >old are responsible for turning brother against brother, >nation against nation - that the religions of the world must be abolished >to >make way for the GOLDEN AGE (NEW AGE) of the >One World Religion, representing the One God they see before them. > >Naturally, this superbly staged, full-scale production will result in >social >and religious disorder on a massive scale. Wonder what the >television transmitters of religious networks will be doing on that day ? > >But before all this, they have to go through four different steps in order >to >get to Project Blue Beam. > >1: The first step concerns the breakdown of all archaological knowledge. It >deals with staging earthquakes at certain precise >locations around the planet where supposed new "discoveries" will finally >explain (for them) that the meanings of the basic >doctrines of all the world`s major religions are "wrong." This >falsification >will be used to make the population believe that all >religious doctrine has been misunderstood and misinterpreted. The >falsification started with the film 2001: A Space Odessy, the >TV-series STAR TREK, the STAR WARS films, E.T., all of which deal with >space >"invasion" and "protection". JURASSIC >PARK, was to push the theory of evolution. > >2: The second step deals with the gigantic space show: 3D optical holograms >and sounds, laser projections of multiple holographic >images in different parts of the world, each receiving a different image, >according to its predetermined original national religious >faith. This new "god" image will talk in all languages. As an exemple, the >Soviets have manufactured the advanced computers and >have programmed them with the minute psychological particles based upon >their >studies of the anatomy and biology of the human >body, as well as their studies on the anatomy, chemistry and electricity of >the humain brain. These computers have also been fed >with the different languages of the world. > >3: The third step deals with telepathic electronic two-way communication, >where ELF(Extra Low Frequency), VLF (Very Low >Frequency), and LF (Low Frequency) waves will reach the people of the earth >through the insides of their brains, making each >person believe that his own God is speaking to him from within his owm >soul. >Such rays, from satellite, are fed from the memory >of computers that store much data about the human being and his languages. >These rays will then interlace and interweave with >the natural thinking processes to form what we call the ARTIFICIAL TALK. > >4: The fourth step involves universal supernatural manifestations using >electronic means. This step contains three different >orientations: The first one is to make mankind believe that an alien >invasion >is about to occur upon every major city on the earth. >This is to push each major nation into using its nuclear capability to >strike >back. In this manner, it would put each of these nations >in a state of full disarmament before the United Nations after the false >attack. The second is to make the "christian" believe that a >major rapture is occurring, with a simple "played" divine imtervention of >an >alleged "good" alien force coming to save the good >people from a brutal satanic attack. Its goal is to get rid of all >significant opposition to the NEW WORLD ORDER. The third >orientation is a mixture of electronic and supernatural forces. The waves >(frequencies) used at that time will allow supernatural >forces to travel through fiber optics cable, coaxial cable,electric and >telephone lines in order to penetrate all electronic equipment >and appliances that will by then all have a special microship installed. >The >goal of this step deals with the materialization of satanic >ghosts, spectres, and poltergeists all across the globe in order to push >all >populations to the edge of a wave of suicide, killing and >permanent psychological disorder. After that night of the THOUSAND STARS, >HUMANITY IS BELIEVED TO BE READY >FOR THEM TO ENTER IN A "NEW MESSIAH" TO REESTABLISH PEACE EVERYWHERE AT ANY >COST, EVEN AT >THE COST OF FREEDOM. > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 2 12:35:38 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA10464; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 12:35:01 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 12:35:01 -0700 X-Sender: knuke@mail.lcia.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: knuke@LCIA.COM (Michael T Huffman) Subject: Re: Blue Beam Project (must laugh) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 15:40:56 -0400 Message-ID: <19990802194056578.AAA62@mail.lcia.com@lizard> Resent-Message-ID: <"BE86g2.0.JZ2.bBVft"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11218 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >>The various images of Christ, Mohammed, Buddha, Krishna, etc., will merge >>into ONE after "correct explanation" of the >>mysteries, prophecies and revelations are disclosed. What?! No Elvis?!! They won't fool anybody with their fancy light show down here unless they show the REAL King. Knuke Michael T. Huffman Huffman Technology Company 1121 Dustin Drive The Villages, Florida 32159 (352)259-1276 knuke@LCIA.COM http://www.aa.net/~knuke/index.htm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 2 13:35:08 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA32268; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 13:34:35 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 13:34:35 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 10:34:26 -1000 Subject: Re: Blue Beam Project (must read!) From: "Rick Monteverde" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <199908021634.SM00234@[192.168.0.2]> Resent-Message-ID: <"wL7oW.0._t7.Q3Wft"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11219 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Felis the Cat writes: > Does this nonsense really belong in a group that purports > to be a discussion group on alternative energy > technologies? No. Current psi-ops efforts of this nature are strictly a national security issue and should not be discussed on public boards. > Is there any 'experimental' protocol/proof > of these vapourings, aside from 'boysals' assertion that > this is so? Upon successful demonstration through the proper channels of the basis of your need to know, I'm sure you or any other person capable of passing the neccessary security clearances could legitimately obtain this information. > Is the CIA bouncing laser beams off my > windows, back to a photocell arrangement & thereby > turning them into a sensitive microphone as I read this? Probably not if you reside in the US. I believe such domestic surveillance would by law have to be performed by the FBI or local law enforcement. > Would such 'Blue Beam' or "blue sky" stuff better belong at > groups such as: alt.conspiracy.com? Probably a good idea in order to further impugn the credibility of such rumors so that legitimate work on the influence and control of mass populations for strategic advantage can proceed more efficiently. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI;) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 2 13:43:19 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA03349; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 13:42:59 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 13:42:59 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 10:42:52 -1000 Subject: Re: Tesla and voltage-signals as ball lightning! From: "Rick Monteverde" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <199908021642.SM00234@[192.168.0.2]> Resent-Message-ID: <"oNM2W1.0.Eq.IBWft"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11220 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Bill - > There might even be interesting noises in the electrostatic > signal which don't appear in the magnetic part of the > conventional radio wave. And we might record them by tracking capacitor self charge rates, or with Hodowanecs? <...and from an previous post> > "Cancel" really means "totally absorb", since the > cancellation process causes a huge energy flow between the > AM radio transmitter and the tiny receiving antenna. "Huge energy" into a tiny antenna? Cool! So the normally infintessimally tiny forces normally appearing on conventional antennas due to the EM intercepted might be greatly magnified as well? Always on the lookout for alternative propulsion systems here (wheels spinning rapidly now...) - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 2 14:06:24 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA12335; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 14:05:57 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 14:05:57 -0700 Message-ID: <37A60891.41164B37@microtec.net> Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 17:07:29 -0400 From: patrick tremblay X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: HE HE HE HEH: Blue Beam References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"KPveo3.0.e03.qWWft"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11221 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: He he he he he heh, Your story is soo hilarious, so funny and ridicule, I am not angry anymore... Heh heh heh heh heh heh...Keep em coming...heh heh heh heh... MKSBoysal@aol.com wrote: > << Hi there everyone, > This information is something to behold, I heard in past some bits and pieces > but never like this regarding to this subject below, but was merely a few > pieces of the puzzle. > Here below you'll get the whole picture, its so fascinating. > Let us remember this information that, time to come we may a have greater > understanding of super natural. Not that can't happen but we are entering a > very dangerous area that man is becoming gods on earth. > As has been said if its too good to be true, let us watch out that it may > very well be a deception. > Be wise as serpents and harmless as doves... > Mehmet.>> > > What is the Blue Beam Project? > What is the Blue Beam Project? > by David Openheimer > > It involves two things. A technologically simulated "second coming" and the > reemmrgence of new "MONTAUK" type projects > that have the ability to take up a whole bunch of people as in a "rapture" > type of situation and whisk the whole bunch into > never-never land. Ironically, portions of the holographic projections have > the potential for changing the planet into oneness with > God. Unfortunately, this operates on the premise that Man shall somehow > become God in human form and control other Men and > dictate all actions and thoughts. The calculated resistance to the new > religion, the New World Order and the new "Messiah" will > entail human loss on a massive scale in the ensuing "holy wars".The "BLUE > BEAM PROJECT" will pretend to be the universal > fulfillment of the prophecies of old; as major an event as that which took > place 2000 years ago. In principle, it will make use of the > sky as a holographic projection screen for space-based laser-generating > satellites (star wars). These projectors will project > simultaneous images to the four corners of the planet, in every language by > region. It deals with the religious aspect of the NEW > WORLD ORDER. > > The "system" has already been tested. Holographic projections of the "CHRIST > IMAGE" have already been seen in some remote > desert areas. These have only been reported in tabloid papers, so they are > instantly rendered moot. They can also project images > of alien craft, aliens, monsters, angels - you name it. Computers will > coordinate the satellites and software will run the > show-and-tell. > > Hollography is based on very nearly identical signals combining to produce > and image, or hologram, with depth perception. This is > equally applicable to acoustic (ELF,VLF,LF) waves as it is to optical > phenomena. > > Specifically, the "show" will consist of laser projections of multiple > holographic images to different parts of the planet, each > receiving different images according to the predominating regional religious > faith. Not a single area will be excluded. With > computer animation and sound effects appearing to come from the depths of > space, astonished followers of the various creeds will > witness their own returned Messiah in spectacularly convincing lifelike > realness. > > The various images of Christ, Mohammed, Buddha, Krishna, etc., will merge > into ONE after "correct explanation" of the > mysteries, prophecies and revelations are disclosed. This "ONE GOD" will in > fact function as the "Anti-Christ", who will "explain" > that the various scriptures "have been misunderstood"- that the religious of > old are responsible for turning brother against brother, > nation against nation - that the religions of the world must be abolished to > make way for the GOLDEN AGE (NEW AGE) of the > One World Religion, representing the One God they see before them. > > Naturally, this superbly staged, full-scale production will result in social > and religious disorder on a massive scale. Wonder what the > television transmitters of religious networks will be doing on that day ? > > But before all this, they have to go through four different steps in order to > get to Project Blue Beam. > > 1: The first step concerns the breakdown of all archaological knowledge. It > deals with staging earthquakes at certain precise > locations around the planet where supposed new "discoveries" will finally > explain (for them) that the meanings of the basic > doctrines of all the world`s major religions are "wrong." This falsification > will be used to make the population believe that all > religious doctrine has been misunderstood and misinterpreted. The > falsification started with the film 2001: A Space Odessy, the > TV-series STAR TREK, the STAR WARS films, E.T., all of which deal with space > "invasion" and "protection". JURASSIC > PARK, was to push the theory of evolution. > > 2: The second step deals with the gigantic space show: 3D optical holograms > and sounds, laser projections of multiple holographic > images in different parts of the world, each receiving a different image, > according to its predetermined original national religious > faith. This new "god" image will talk in all languages. As an exemple, the > Soviets have manufactured the advanced computers and > have programmed them with the minute psychological particles based upon their > studies of the anatomy and biology of the human > body, as well as their studies on the anatomy, chemistry and electricity of > the humain brain. These computers have also been fed > with the different languages of the world. > > 3: The third step deals with telepathic electronic two-way communication, > where ELF(Extra Low Frequency), VLF (Very Low > Frequency), and LF (Low Frequency) waves will reach the people of the earth > through the insides of their brains, making each > person believe that his own God is speaking to him from within his owm soul. > Such rays, from satellite, are fed from the memory > of computers that store much data about the human being and his languages. > These rays will then interlace and interweave with > the natural thinking processes to form what we call the ARTIFICIAL TALK. > > 4: The fourth step involves universal supernatural manifestations using > electronic means. This step contains three different > orientations: The first one is to make mankind believe that an alien invasion > is about to occur upon every major city on the earth. > This is to push each major nation into using its nuclear capability to strike > back. In this manner, it would put each of these nations > in a state of full disarmament before the United Nations after the false > attack. The second is to make the "christian" believe that a > major rapture is occurring, with a simple "played" divine imtervention of an > alleged "good" alien force coming to save the good > people from a brutal satanic attack. Its goal is to get rid of all > significant opposition to the NEW WORLD ORDER. The third > orientation is a mixture of electronic and supernatural forces. The waves > (frequencies) used at that time will allow supernatural > forces to travel through fiber optics cable, coaxial cable,electric and > telephone lines in order to penetrate all electronic equipment > and appliances that will by then all have a special microship installed. The > goal of this step deals with the materialization of satanic > ghosts, spectres, and poltergeists all across the globe in order to push all > populations to the edge of a wave of suicide, killing and > permanent psychological disorder. After that night of the THOUSAND STARS, > HUMANITY IS BELIEVED TO BE READY > FOR THEM TO ENTER IN A "NEW MESSIAH" TO REESTABLISH PEACE EVERYWHERE AT ANY > COST, EVEN AT > THE COST OF FREEDOM. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 2 15:24:38 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA05764; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 15:24:18 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 15:24:18 -0700 Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 17:24:06 -0500 (CDT) From: Zack Widup Subject: Update on Solar Cycle To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"kAv-t.0.jP1.FgXft"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11222 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: A year or so a Mr. Cagle posted something here regarding "Scybolt(tm) Faith Call" or something like that. In the posting he predicted that the upcoming solar cycle would be the biggest ever, causing various catastrophic things to happen to the Earth. Well, I don't know how many of you follow such things, but as a radio amateur I observe solar activity very closely. So far this solar cycle has been a big flop; not quite a "maunder minimum" (where the sun seems to skip a sunspot cycle peak for one cycle) but it has been very disappointing. It is going down in the records as one of the lower activity solar cycles. I guess we'll have to wait another 12 years or so for the "Big One"! Zack From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 2 15:43:30 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA24373; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 15:43:08 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 15:43:08 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 15:43:06 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty Reply-To: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Tesla and voltage-signals as ball lightning! In-Reply-To: <199908021642.SM00234@[192.168.0.2]> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"87lKw3.0.jy5.xxXft"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11223 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 2 Aug 1999, Rick Monteverde wrote: > "Huge energy" into a tiny antenna? Cool! So the normally infintessimally > tiny forces normally appearing on conventional antennas due to the EM > intercepted might be greatly magnified as well? Always on the lookout for > alternative propulsion systems here (wheels spinning rapidly now...) Oh boy. I hadn't thought of that. I was thinking like this: strong magnetic coupling is a transformer. Strong electrostatic coupling is a capacitor. Strong high-freq resonant coupling resembles an iron-core transformer or a high-value capacitor (either use a high-voltage dipole antenna, or a high-amperage loop antenna.) But "Transformer" equals "electric motor"! And "Capacitor" equals "electrostatic motor". Mechanical forces become large when coupling becomes tight. What kind of motor can we create using high-Q resonant coupling? Whew. Maybe magnetic levitation that is partially electrostatic? If there are any high-Q resonances in dirt or rock, then we could create something resembling superconductor levitation. Better put it in a disk-shaped enclosure to keep people from freaking out. If a hobbyist has an electromagnetic flying machine, there will be hell to pay. But if it's just a UFO, then no newspaper would bother running the story. :) What if both free energy and antigravity are possible, can be produced by spinning magnets and high voltage, but they use totally conventional EM, and they are driven by Bruce P.'s naturally occuring 500KHZ storm voltage? Me brane hurts. On a less demented note, everyone must go and build themselves a passive diamagnetic maglev device using graphite pucks and Radio-shack magnets: http://lahr.org/john-jan/maglev/maglev.html Send it to Art Bell. Tell him that Bismuth is an important factor. ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com http://www.amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 2 16:40:25 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA11531; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 16:37:41 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 16:37:41 -0700 From: bpaddock@csonline.net (Bob Paddock) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Tesla and voltage-signals as ball lightning! Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 19:30:44 -0400 Organization: is mostly via piles Reply-To: bpaddock@csonline.net Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Lines: 22 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.37Beta [95/NT] Resent-Message-ID: <"oPwJ82.0.0q2.5lYft"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11224 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >> "Huge energy" into a tiny antenna? Cool! So the normally infintessimally >> tiny forces normally appearing on conventional antennas due to the EM >> intercepted might be greatly magnified as well? Always on the lookout for >> alternative propulsion systems here (wheels spinning rapidly now...) > >Oh boy. I hadn't thought of that. I was thinking like this: strong >magnetic coupling is a transformer. Strong electrostatic coupling is a >capacitor. Strong high-freq resonant coupling resembles an iron-core >transformer or a high-value capacitor (either use a high-voltage dipole >antenna, or a high-amperage loop antenna.) What would happen if you take the standard ARRL Antenna book and do it all backwards? Go for the highest possible "standing waves". Electrostatic Waves? -- For information on any of the following check out my WEB site at: http://www.biogate.com/bpaddock/ Chemical Free Air Conditioning/No CFC's, Chronic Pain Relief, Echofone, Electromedicine, Electronics, Explore!, Free Energy, Full Disclosure, KeelyNet, Matric Limited, Neurophone, Oil City PA, Philadelphia Experiment. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 2 17:33:01 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA27219; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 17:30:35 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 17:30:35 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 14:30:30 -1000 Subject: Re: Tesla and voltage-signals as ball lightning! From: "Rick Monteverde" To: freenrg Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <199908022030.SM00234@[192.168.0.2]> Resent-Message-ID: <"m2KHJ2.0.Cf6.gWZft"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11225 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Bob wrote: > What would happen if you take the standard ARRL Antenna > book and do it all backwards? Pfffft...lol- Almost spit my drink all over the keyboard visualizing nerdy free energy cultists finding OU/antigrav/FTL messages in the ARRL handbook by reading it backwards! But I know what you mean, I think. I've wondered for years about this sort of thing, near field effects and electrostatic "waves". And Bill wrote: > If a hobbyist has an electromagnetic flying machine, there > will be hell to pay. But if it's just a UFO, then no > newspaper would bother running the story. Yeah, let's lay low with this one for a while, fly it only at night near Pahrump, NV. Seriously, I wonder what sort of mechanical forces would accumulate from such schemes. It doesn't take too much force per square foot to loft a man carrying machine if it has a lot of square feet on it. Hang gliders operate at around a pound per square foot, and ultralights not too much higher. A disc or perhaps a large area semi-rigid gas-filled deltoid form factor would be ideal. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 2 17:57:57 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA02703; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 17:57:27 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 17:57:27 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 14:57:22 -1000 Subject: Re: Tesla and voltage-signals as ball lightning! From: "Rick Monteverde" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <199908022057.SM00234@[192.168.0.2]> Resent-Message-ID: <"R-yYz2.0.8g.svZft"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11226 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Bill - > Maybe magnetic levitation that is partially electrostatic? > If there are any high-Q resonances in dirt or rock, then we > could create something resembling superconductor > levitation. Then there was Joe Newman's balloon with the HV pulsed DC coils around it. Now I'm wondering about that. Wouldn't it be amazing if some of the "crackpots" had some of it right all along? ;) - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 2 18:47:30 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA16275; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 18:46:43 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 18:46:43 -0700 Message-ID: <37A64B91.5EB3@cyberportal.net> Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 21:53:21 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Power Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: REVERSE ENERGY FLOW... References: <199908022030.SM00234@[192.168.0.2]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"IEqlp3.0.C-3.3eaft"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11227 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > > Bob wrote: > > What would happen if you take the standard ARRL Antenna > book and do it all backwards? I have known about the effects since 1982. The world that you are about to enter is a world of reverse magnetic flow. Welcome to my world. Please be careful reporting what you find on the internet. We do not know who is listoning. There are far reaching implications than you now realize. From the sounds of these most recent posts I suspect that you will coming to this realization soon. All I ask is that you think about the implications of what you are coming to discover. I did not wish to set the world on fire. With knowledge comes responsibility. Best Regards, Bruce A. Perreault From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 2 19:01:17 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA21726; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 19:01:05 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 19:01:05 -0700 Message-ID: <37A64D54.3B617CE7@keelynet.com> Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 21:00:52 -0500 From: "Jerry W. Decker" Reply-To: jdecker@keelynet.com Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: REVERSE ENERGY FLOW... References: <199908022030.SM00234@[192.168.0.2]> <37A64B91.5EB3@cyberportal.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"A7oTl3.0.JJ5.Wraft"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11228 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: ..........! oh puhleeze !......... first it was blue beam posts, now conspiracy, cult, secrecy, paranoia, and the guru/messiah complex, I can't hit my delete key fast enough as it is.. -- Jerry Wayne Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-3501 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 2 19:21:14 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA27121; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 19:21:00 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 19:21:00 -0700 Message-ID: <37A6539A.3866@cyberportal.net> Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 22:27:38 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Power Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jdecker@keelynet.com CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: REVERSE ENERGY FLOW... References: <199908022030.SM00234@[192.168.0.2]> <37A64B91.5EB3@cyberportal.net> <37A64D54.3B617CE7@keelynet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"8NxNw3.0.gd6.B8bft"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11229 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I joined this the list to share my research. I don't think that I am out of line by telling people to be careful. We live in a world of many uncertainties. Let's be realistic. This guy is provoking a flame war, something that is very counter-productive. It is also against the list rules. Jerry, if you do not have something positive to contribute then please don't say anything. Respectfully, Bruce A. Perreault Jerry W. Decker wrote: > > ..........! oh puhleeze !......... > > first it was blue beam posts, now > conspiracy, cult, secrecy, paranoia, > and the guru/messiah complex, I can't > hit my delete key fast enough as it is.. > > -- > Jerry Wayne Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com > http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" > Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-3501 > KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 2 19:45:16 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA02208; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 19:45:01 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 19:45:01 -0700 Message-ID: <37A6579D.B1F622AF@keelynet.com> Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 21:44:45 -0500 From: "Jerry W. Decker" Reply-To: jdecker@keelynet.com Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: REVERSE ENERGY FLOW... References: <199908022030.SM00234@[192.168.0.2]> <37A64B91.5EB3@cyberportal.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"nSsd42.0.PY.jUbft"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11230 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Flamewars? Not remotely, just the usual reality check for BP limited. The list is about freenrg, not the following delusions from BP limited; Paranoia & conspiracy; > Please be careful reporting what you find on the internet. > We do not know who is listoning. Messiah/guru complex; > I did not wish to set the world on fire. Don't worry, you failed everytime in the past and were caught, not flames, just reality checks. An audience you can't resist, I understand but not in my mailbox via this or any other rational list. Stick to free energy and you'll only hear a peep out of me if it merits rational discussion from my point of view. But I am on the list for free energy, not 'nu' anything. The Prentice patent on the KeelyNet (which has factually been online as a bbs since 1988 and went to the Internet in 1996) is listed at; http://www.keelynet.com/energy/prentice.htm and the Tesla patents mirror, courtesy of Fred Walters at; http://www.keelynet.com/tesla/index.html That's what I subscribed to the list for, not delusions inserted into my mailbox without comment, from blue whatevers to 'being watched' to the egomaniacal delusions of setting the world on fire.....again...and again...etc... Finally; > Jerry, if you do not have something positive to contribute then > please don't say anything. Positive? they are watching, they are listening, who will set the world on fire? POSITIVE? Time hasn't forgotten and you have no place to instruct anyone, ESPECIALLY me to not comment on your responses to a public list when those delusions are out of field from the list topic and shoved into my mailbox. Stick to the subject of freenrg and I'll add or subtract what I feel is relevant, lose it and I'll respond as I see fit. period -- Jerry Wayne Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-3501 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 2 19:52:50 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA05170; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 19:52:25 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 19:52:25 -0700 Message-ID: <37A66804.EEA78FD5@telusplanet.net> Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 20:54:44 -0700 From: D Adams X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: REVERSE ENERGY FLOW... References: <199908022030.SM00234@[192.168.0.2]> <37A64B91.5EB3@cyberportal.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"n-1b42.0.hG1.fbbft"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11231 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Bruce, good point! Would love to hear more of your thoughts on 'reverse energy flow' as well. cheers, Don Bruce A. Perreault wrote: > > > > Bob wrote: > > > > What would happen if you take the standard ARRL Antenna > > book and do it all backwards? > > I have known about the effects since 1982. The world that > you are about to enter is a world of reverse magnetic flow. > Welcome to my world. > > Please be careful reporting what you find on the internet. > We do not know who is listoning. There are far reaching > implications than you now realize. From the sounds of > these most recent posts I suspect that you will coming to > this realization soon. All I ask is that you think about > the implications of what you are coming to discover. > > I did not wish to set the world on fire. With knowledge > comes responsibility. > > Best Regards, Bruce A. Perreault From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 2 22:43:04 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA10843; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 22:42:47 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 22:42:47 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.16.19990802224144.218fda9c@earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (16) Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 22:41:44 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: Magnetic Battery from Volker Hennig In-Reply-To: <37A5B90E.76249402@harti.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"mylWR2.0.Gf2.M5eft"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11232 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 05:28 PM 8/2/99 +0200, you wrote: >Hi All, > >please have a look at this page. > >Looks like this is a valid new way to tap >magnetic energy: > > http://bgph.de/vh/ > > >Best regards, Stefan. > Hi Stefan, Have you seen or tried this? (A electrical conductor wrapped with magnetic flux like a wire magnet wound as a solenoid, or a wire with current producing circular field lines surrounded by a ferromagnetic cylinder.) -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 2 23:16:06 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id XAA19354; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 23:15:39 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 23:15:39 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 23:15:38 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: freenrg Subject: Re: Tesla and voltage-signals as ball lightning! In-Reply-To: <199908022030.SM00234@[192.168.0.2]> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"IW8t23.0.Jk4.Baeft"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11233 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 2 Aug 1999, Rick Monteverde wrote: > And Bill wrote: > > > If a hobbyist has an electromagnetic flying machine, there > > will be hell to pay. But if it's just a UFO, then no > > newspaper would bother running the story. > > Yeah, let's lay low with this one for a while, fly it only at night near > Pahrump, NV. My wife asks what I want done with my body after I die. One of my various answers is a request to have it shot down while in a craft hovering over an airforce base, and in the wreckage are all sorts of indecipherable components, coils wound from saline-filled plastic tubes, gallons of mercury, transformers wound upon carbon cores, vacuum tubes filled with glass microspheres, etc. (If it's all lifted by some lens-shaped mylar hydrogen bags, this might not be totally apparent in the remains.) > Seriously, I wonder what sort of mechanical forces would accumulate from > such schemes. It doesn't take too much force per square foot to loft a man > carrying machine if it has a lot of square feet on it. Hang gliders operate > at around a pound per square foot, and ultralights not too much higher. A > disc or perhaps a large area semi-rigid gas-filled deltoid form factor would > be ideal. I wonder if a negatively-charged object would be attracted upwards by the 100V/m DC sky field? If there is a stronger field at other frequencies, then a properly-phased high voltage surface might provide usable attraction/repulsion forces, and might not even need an onboard power supply. Phase-locked AC fields can get around many of the problems suffered by DC high-voltage systems. Tesla's articles showed biplanes with metal sheets in the upper and lower airfoils. It might be simpler to power a motor from a resonant receiver than to use EM forces directly. Now that I'm thinking along these lines, I see that a *really* intense high-frequency magnetic field might cause strange forces to appear. If the EM waves from it wrap around the entire Earth, and the Earth's Q is as high as Tesla thought, then the waves would re-focus at the source, and the ground/sky currents might be strong enough to apply forces to the field generator. Spin those magnets fast enough, and phase-locked earth resonance supplies the "stator" magnet which provides the lift. Tesla kept saying that waves would travel around the Earth with undiminished amplitude. That's scary, since a picky engineer should have said *slightly diminished* amplitude. The article on active VLF antennas mentioned that the Q of the Earth might be much larger than is commonly thought, because VLF antennas commonly require long integration times (ten minutes) to attain reliable measurements, and if the Earth's resonant frequency should wander around during that time, it would seem like Q was low. Of course if the resonant frequency wanders around, then any power transmitter will not track it, and Q will behave low in reality. If there was some nonlinear process which forced the transmitter to lock on and follow the resonance (or which forced the entire earth to lock itself into coherence with the transmitter), then the Q could become very high. ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com http://www.amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 2 23:30:09 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id XAA22632; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 23:29:49 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 23:29:49 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 23:29:48 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Tesla and voltage-signals as ball lightning! In-Reply-To: <199908022057.SM00234@[192.168.0.2]> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"t9OMO2.0.SX5.Tneft"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11234 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 2 Aug 1999, Rick Monteverde wrote: > Then there was Joe Newman's balloon with the HV pulsed DC coils around it. > Now I'm wondering about that. > > Wouldn't it be amazing if some of the "crackpots" had some of it right all > along? ;) That's a big component of my philosophy: if it's possible, and if it's not incredibly complex, then people will stumble across it accidentally. The other part: if mainstream science has declared it impossible, then every time they stumble across it accidentally, they will quickly turn away. A "crackpot" who is seeking unorthodox evidence to support unorthodox theories can let the world take them by the hand and lead them into strange new realms far beyond their unorthodox theories. If I constantly try to build a torsion-wave motor, I might accidentally figure out how to tap the ZPE flux, even though torsion-wave motors are impossible. (Or the opposite, maybe the ZPE cannot be tapped, but empirical explorations of possible ZPE devices will unveil all sorts of torsion-based technology.) It's a possibility, not a sure bet. Cat's-whisker diodes might be discovered accidentally, but refining tons of Pitchblende into milligrams of Radium Chloride doesn't happen by accident. ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com http://www.amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 3 01:05:19 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id BAA03822; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 01:04:47 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 01:04:47 -0700 From: b1kidd@uswest.net Delivered-To: fixup-freenrg-l@eskimo.com@fixme Message-ID: <37A6A250.6F3FFDE5@pop.sttl.uswest.net> Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 01:03:28 -0700 Reply-To: b1kidd@uswest.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: HE HE HE HEH: Blue Beam References: <37A60891.41164B37@microtec.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------F33BD0EB25FB3EE8AA8ABDD8" Resent-Message-ID: <"S0uXJ.0.dx.UAgft"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11235 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: --------------F33BD0EB25FB3EE8AA8ABDD8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Only those who do not know where to look will be decieved by this device. Question, Where is the Kingdom of God? patrick tremblay wrote: > He he he he he heh, > > Your story is soo hilarious, so funny and ridicule, I am not angry anymore... > > Heh heh heh heh heh heh...Keep em coming...heh heh heh heh... > > MKSBoysal@aol.com wrote: > > > << Hi there everyone, > > This information is something to behold, I heard in past some bits and pieces > > but never like this regarding to this subject below, but was merely a few > > pieces of the puzzle. > > Here below you'll get the whole picture, its so fascinating. > > Let us remember this information that, time to come we may a have greater > > understanding of super natural. Not that can't happen but we are entering a > > very dangerous area that man is becoming gods on earth. > > As has been said if its too good to be true, let us watch out that it may > > very well be a deception. > > Be wise as serpents and harmless as doves... > > Mehmet.>> > > > > What is the Blue Beam Project? > > What is the Blue Beam Project? > > by David Openheimer > > > > It involves two things. A technologically simulated "second coming" and the > > reemmrgence of new "MONTAUK" type projects > > that have the ability to take up a whole bunch of people as in a "rapture" > > type of situation and whisk the whole bunch into > > never-never land. Ironically, portions of the holographic projections have > > the potential for changing the planet into oneness with > > God. Unfortunately, this operates on the premise that Man shall somehow > > become God in human form and control other Men and > > dictate all actions and thoughts. The calculated resistance to the new > > religion, the New World Order and the new "Messiah" will > > entail human loss on a massive scale in the ensuing "holy wars".The "BLUE > > BEAM PROJECT" will pretend to be the universal > > fulfillment of the prophecies of old; as major an event as that which took > > place 2000 years ago. In principle, it will make use of the > > sky as a holographic projection screen for space-based laser-generating > > satellites (star wars). These projectors will project > > simultaneous images to the four corners of the planet, in every language by > > region. It deals with the religious aspect of the NEW > > WORLD ORDER. > > > > The "system" has already been tested. Holographic projections of the "CHRIST > > IMAGE" have already been seen in some remote > > desert areas. These have only been reported in tabloid papers, so they are > > instantly rendered moot. They can also project images > > of alien craft, aliens, monsters, angels - you name it. Computers will > > coordinate the satellites and software will run the > > show-and-tell. > > > > Hollography is based on very nearly identical signals combining to produce > > and image, or hologram, with depth perception. This is > > equally applicable to acoustic (ELF,VLF,LF) waves as it is to optical > > phenomena. > > > > Specifically, the "show" will consist of laser projections of multiple > > holographic images to different parts of the planet, each > > receiving different images according to the predominating regional religious > > faith. Not a single area will be excluded. With > > computer animation and sound effects appearing to come from the depths of > > space, astonished followers of the various creeds will > > witness their own returned Messiah in spectacularly convincing lifelike > > realness. > > > > The various images of Christ, Mohammed, Buddha, Krishna, etc., will merge > > into ONE after "correct explanation" of the > > mysteries, prophecies and revelations are disclosed. This "ONE GOD" will in > > fact function as the "Anti-Christ", who will "explain" > > that the various scriptures "have been misunderstood"- that the religious of > > old are responsible for turning brother against brother, > > nation against nation - that the religions of the world must be abolished to > > make way for the GOLDEN AGE (NEW AGE) of the > > One World Religion, representing the One God they see before them. > > > > Naturally, this superbly staged, full-scale production will result in social > > and religious disorder on a massive scale. Wonder what the > > television transmitters of religious networks will be doing on that day ? > > > > But before all this, they have to go through four different steps in order to > > get to Project Blue Beam. > > > > 1: The first step concerns the breakdown of all archaological knowledge. It > > deals with staging earthquakes at certain precise > > locations around the planet where supposed new "discoveries" will finally > > explain (for them) that the meanings of the basic > > doctrines of all the world`s major religions are "wrong." This falsification > > will be used to make the population believe that all > > religious doctrine has been misunderstood and misinterpreted. The > > falsification started with the film 2001: A Space Odessy, the > > TV-series STAR TREK, the STAR WARS films, E.T., all of which deal with space > > "invasion" and "protection". JURASSIC > > PARK, was to push the theory of evolution. > > > > 2: The second step deals with the gigantic space show: 3D optical holograms > > and sounds, laser projections of multiple holographic > > images in different parts of the world, each receiving a different image, > > according to its predetermined original national religious > > faith. This new "god" image will talk in all languages. As an exemple, the > > Soviets have manufactured the advanced computers and > > have programmed them with the minute psychological particles based upon their > > studies of the anatomy and biology of the human > > body, as well as their studies on the anatomy, chemistry and electricity of > > the humain brain. These computers have also been fed > > with the different languages of the world. > > > > 3: The third step deals with telepathic electronic two-way communication, > > where ELF(Extra Low Frequency), VLF (Very Low > > Frequency), and LF (Low Frequency) waves will reach the people of the earth > > through the insides of their brains, making each > > person believe that his own God is speaking to him from within his owm soul. > > Such rays, from satellite, are fed from the memory > > of computers that store much data about the human being and his languages. > > These rays will then interlace and interweave with > > the natural thinking processes to form what we call the ARTIFICIAL TALK. > > > > 4: The fourth step involves universal supernatural manifestations using > > electronic means. This step contains three different > > orientations: The first one is to make mankind believe that an alien invasion > > is about to occur upon every major city on the earth. > > This is to push each major nation into using its nuclear capability to strike > > back. In this manner, it would put each of these nations > > in a state of full disarmament before the United Nations after the false > > attack. The second is to make the "christian" believe that a > > major rapture is occurring, with a simple "played" divine imtervention of an > > alleged "good" alien force coming to save the good > > people from a brutal satanic attack. Its goal is to get rid of all > > significant opposition to the NEW WORLD ORDER. The third > > orientation is a mixture of electronic and supernatural forces. The waves > > (frequencies) used at that time will allow supernatural > > forces to travel through fiber optics cable, coaxial cable,electric and > > telephone lines in order to penetrate all electronic equipment > > and appliances that will by then all have a special microship installed. The > > goal of this step deals with the materialization of satanic > > ghosts, spectres, and poltergeists all across the globe in order to push all > > populations to the edge of a wave of suicide, killing and > > permanent psychological disorder. After that night of the THOUSAND STARS, > > HUMANITY IS BELIEVED TO BE READY > > FOR THEM TO ENTER IN A "NEW MESSIAH" TO REESTABLISH PEACE EVERYWHERE AT ANY > > COST, EVEN AT > > THE COST OF FREEDOM. --------------F33BD0EB25FB3EE8AA8ABDD8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Only those who do not know where to look will be decieved by this device.  Question, Where is the Kingdom of God?

patrick tremblay wrote:

He he he he he heh,

Your story is soo hilarious, so funny and ridicule, I am not angry anymore...

Heh heh heh heh heh heh...Keep em coming...heh heh heh heh...

MKSBoysal@aol.com wrote:

> << Hi there everyone,
> This information is something to behold, I heard in past some bits and pieces
> but never like this regarding to this subject below, but was merely a few
> pieces of the puzzle.
> Here below you'll get the whole picture, its so fascinating.
> Let us remember this information that, time to come we may a have greater
> understanding of super natural. Not that can't happen but we are entering a
> very dangerous area that man is becoming gods on earth.
>  As has been said if its too good to be true, let us watch out that it may
> very well be a deception.
> Be wise as serpents and harmless as doves...
> Mehmet.>>
>
> What is the Blue Beam Project?
> What is the Blue Beam Project?
> by David Openheimer
>
> It involves two things. A technologically simulated "second coming" and the
> reemmrgence of new "MONTAUK" type projects
> that have the ability to take up a whole bunch of people as in a "rapture"
> type of situation and whisk the whole bunch into
> never-never land. Ironically, portions of the holographic projections have
> the potential for changing the planet into oneness with
> God. Unfortunately, this operates on the premise that Man shall somehow
> become God in human form and control other Men and
> dictate all actions and thoughts. The calculated resistance to the new
> religion, the New World Order and the new "Messiah" will
> entail human loss on a massive scale in the ensuing "holy wars".The "BLUE
> BEAM PROJECT" will pretend to be the universal
> fulfillment of the prophecies of old; as major an event as that which took
> place 2000 years ago. In principle, it will make use of the
> sky as a holographic projection screen for space-based laser-generating
> satellites (star wars). These projectors will project
> simultaneous images to the four corners of the planet, in every language by
> region. It deals with the religious aspect of the NEW
> WORLD ORDER.
>
> The "system" has already been tested. Holographic projections of the "CHRIST
> IMAGE" have already been seen in some remote
> desert areas. These have only been reported in tabloid papers, so they are
> instantly rendered moot. They can also project images
> of alien craft, aliens, monsters, angels - you name it. Computers will
> coordinate the satellites and software will run the
> show-and-tell.
>
> Hollography is based on very nearly identical signals combining to produce
> and image, or hologram, with depth perception. This is
> equally applicable to acoustic (ELF,VLF,LF) waves as it is to optical
> phenomena.
>
> Specifically, the "show" will consist of laser projections of multiple
> holographic images to different parts of the planet, each
> receiving different images according to the predominating regional religious
> faith. Not a single area will be excluded. With
> computer animation and sound effects appearing to come from the depths of
> space, astonished followers of the various creeds will
> witness their own returned Messiah in spectacularly convincing lifelike
> realness.
>
> The various images of Christ, Mohammed, Buddha, Krishna, etc., will merge
> into ONE after "correct explanation" of the
> mysteries, prophecies and revelations are disclosed. This "ONE GOD" will in
> fact function as the "Anti-Christ", who will "explain"
> that the various scriptures "have been misunderstood"- that the religious of
> old are responsible for turning brother against brother,
> nation against nation - that the religions of the world must be abolished to
> make way for the GOLDEN AGE (NEW AGE) of the
> One World Religion, representing the One God they see before them.
>
> Naturally, this superbly staged, full-scale production will result in social
> and religious disorder on a massive scale. Wonder what the
> television transmitters of religious networks will be doing on that day ?
>
> But before all this, they have to go through four different steps in order to
> get to Project Blue Beam.
>
> 1: The first step concerns the breakdown of all archaological knowledge. It
> deals with staging earthquakes at certain precise
> locations around the planet where supposed new "discoveries" will finally
> explain (for them) that the meanings of the basic
> doctrines of all the world`s major religions are "wrong." This falsification
> will be used to make the population believe that all
> religious doctrine has been misunderstood and misinterpreted. The
> falsification started with the film 2001: A Space Odessy, the
> TV-series STAR TREK, the STAR WARS films, E.T., all of which deal with space
> "invasion" and "protection". JURASSIC
> PARK, was to push the theory of evolution.
>
> 2: The second step deals with the gigantic space show: 3D optical holograms
> and sounds, laser projections of multiple holographic
> images in different parts of the world, each receiving a different image,
> according to its predetermined original national religious
> faith. This new "god" image will talk in all languages. As an exemple, the
> Soviets have manufactured the advanced computers and
> have programmed them with the minute psychological particles based upon their
> studies of the anatomy and biology of the human
> body, as well as their studies on the anatomy, chemistry and electricity of
> the humain brain. These computers have also been fed
> with the different languages of the world.
>
> 3: The third step deals with telepathic electronic two-way communication,
> where ELF(Extra Low Frequency), VLF (Very Low
> Frequency), and LF (Low Frequency) waves will reach the people of the earth
> through the insides of their brains, making each
> person believe that his own God is speaking to him from within his owm soul.
> Such rays, from satellite, are fed from the memory
> of computers that store much data about the human being and his languages.
> These rays will then interlace and interweave with
> the natural thinking processes to form what we call the ARTIFICIAL TALK.
>
> 4: The fourth step involves universal supernatural manifestations using
> electronic means. This step contains three different
> orientations: The first one is to make mankind believe that an alien invasion
> is about to occur upon every major city on the earth.
> This is to push each major nation into using its nuclear capability to strike
> back. In this manner, it would put each of these nations
> in a state of full disarmament before the United Nations after the false
> attack. The second is to make the "christian" believe that a
> major rapture is occurring, with a simple "played" divine imtervention of an
> alleged "good" alien force coming to save the good
> people from a brutal satanic attack. Its goal is to get rid of all
> significant opposition to the NEW WORLD ORDER. The third
> orientation is a mixture of electronic and supernatural forces. The waves
> (frequencies) used at that time will allow supernatural
> forces to travel through fiber optics cable, coaxial cable,electric and
> telephone lines in order to penetrate all electronic equipment
> and appliances that will by then all have a special microship installed. The
> goal of this step deals with the materialization of satanic
> ghosts, spectres, and poltergeists all across the globe in order to push all
> populations to the edge of a wave of suicide, killing and
> permanent psychological disorder. After that night of the THOUSAND STARS,
> HUMANITY IS BELIEVED TO BE READY
> FOR THEM TO ENTER IN A "NEW MESSIAH" TO REESTABLISH PEACE EVERYWHERE AT ANY
> COST, EVEN AT
> THE COST OF FREEDOM.

--------------F33BD0EB25FB3EE8AA8ABDD8-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 3 02:40:30 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id CAA13729; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 02:40:15 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 02:40:15 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 23:40:11 -1000 Subject: hovering magnet between your fingers From: "Rick Monteverde" To: freenrg Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <199908030540.SM00234@[192.168.0.2]> Resent-Message-ID: <"MyCTM1.0.PM3._Zhft"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11236 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Wow - just tried this, and it's not really hard to do at all. Takes a steady hand though. I used a large disc shaped ceramic for the upper magnet, sitting on a board. Both a tiny neodymium and a standard grade 5 ceramic SMOT magnet worked off my hands and fingers. The SMOT brick shaped magnet was easier I think due to its larger mass as tiny hand movements cause the thing to jump up and down. Hold it bewtween two fingers under the large magnet, center it in the neutral weight zone and just gently widen the gap and see light both above and below. And I remember seeing that for the first time above a superconductor and thinking it was magic. This is really cool! - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 3 03:56:28 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id DAA21771; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 03:56:06 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 03:56:06 -0700 Message-ID: <37A6CAD8.C0B7E7D0@harti.com> Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 12:56:24 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, "ddameron@earthlink.net" , Newman-L Mailing List Subject: Re: Magnetic Battery from Volker Hennig X-Priority: 2 (High) References: <3.0.6.16.19990802224144.218fda9c@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ciwQp1.0.-J5.6hift"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11237 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dave Dameron schrieb: > > At 05:28 PM 8/2/99 +0200, you wrote: > >Hi All, > > > >please have a look at this page. > > > >Looks like this is a valid new way to tap > >magnetic energy: > > > > http://bgph.de/vh/ > > > > > >Best regards, Stefan. > > > Hi Stefan, > Have you seen or tried this? > (A electrical conductor wrapped with magnetic flux like a wire magnet wound > as a solenoid, or a wire > with current producing circular field lines surrounded by a ferromagnetic > cylinder.) > -Dave Hmm, to my understanding it must be an electrical conductor wrapped with iron wire (or in this case: iron audio tape), where you have at the end of the iron wire a northpole and at the other end a south pole. So you have wrapped around the conductor VACE elements , but in a SPIRAL way !! My old post from the 13th of June already proposed this to get a DC voltage and Volker Henning seemed to have proved the concept valid with his experiment. Here is my old post: Free Energy , Newman-L Mailing List Betreff: DC voltage with stacked permanent magnets toroids ? X-Priority: 2 (High) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I have a question, food for thought, which might seem to be the logical conclusion of the following experiment: Please have a look at: http://www.tricountyi.net/~randerse/ortho1.htm and especially at the lower part of the picture: http://www.tricountyi.net/~randerse/fig3.gif The lower part of this picture could be interpreted as 5 linearly stacked permanent magnet toroids (red colored circles) (VACE), where the A-Field could generate an E-Field (DC Voltage) on the conductor (blue color) ? Is this possible ? Just take 5 donut permanent magnet toroids, where the B-Field is inside the toroids, stack them up top on top, put a wire through it (through the hole), or just better a coil and you will have a free DC power source ? Even better, take many more toroids and stack them together in a 360 degree circular position, (e.g. 36 pieces each 10 degrees angle spaced) A conductor closed loop placed inside this loop of circular inner A-Field should heat up, cause it is a short circuited DC power source...? Is this right ? Will this work ? It just sounds too simple. Where is my thinking error ? Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. In. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 3 04:30:45 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id EAA28690; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 04:30:05 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 04:30:05 -0700 Message-ID: <37A6D2CA.83F1A6B1@harti.com> Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 13:30:18 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Free Energy , Newman-L Mailing List Subject: A toroidal overunity generator claim ! X-Priority: 2 (High) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"UnUpl2.0.407.yAjft"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11238 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi All, a toroidal overunity generator has been build according simular to figure 1 at: http://www.time-machine.spb.ru/ph-machine.htm (Not by Mr. Frolov in this case , I just use this picture for reference, the source wants to stay anonymous, until his patent application is done and university verification tests will be done) The claims are: 1200 Watts coil out with about 1076.4 Watts in into the driving motor at 3450 RPM. > 8 amps @117volts at noload > 9.2 amps @117 volts at full load > The output of about 1200 Watts is already a total overunity operation ! As they just increase the input power by about 140 Watts only between idle and load state and they get 1200 Watts output it seems indeed a case, where Lenz law is violated ! (the driving motor is inefficient in this case) This generator also has NO motor effect ! if you supply current to the coil, the permanent magnet in the center will not rotate, cause the flux just stays inside the toroid core ! There you can see, that the back drag does not influence the mechanical rotation of the magnet ! Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. In. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 3 13:36:10 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA28888; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 13:35:48 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 13:35:48 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990803162656.011e57b4@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: aces79@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 16:26:56 -0400 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Zac Miller Subject: Learning Basic to intermediate levels electronics In-Reply-To: <19990803195422796.AAA165@mail.lcia.com@lizard> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"AODes.0.G37.ZArft"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11241 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi, I've been subscribed to this list for a long time, I find the discussions interesting and am interested in Tesla. I was wondering if anyone could recommend a book/kit that teaches the how/why/what of electronics in a hands on way. Thanks for your time, Zac Miller - Artemis Society International http://www.asi.org From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 3 12:48:50 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA13017; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 12:48:22 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 12:48:22 -0700 X-Sender: knuke@mail.lcia.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: knuke@LCIA.COM (Michael T Huffman) Subject: REVERSE ENERGY FLOW\Tesla Mag Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 15:54:22 -0400 Message-ID: <19990803195422796.AAA165@mail.lcia.com@lizard> Resent-Message-ID: <"IvXG42.0.IB3.6Uqft"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11239 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I wouldn't mind discussing your work, either, if it's valid, and you could provide some insight. I'm not all that familiar with it, I'm afraid, but I can catch up pretty quickly. Another thing that I was wondering, I had a brief exchange with Gary Hawkins not long ago regarding his work with high voltage arc experiments. He said that he had done a write up of the protocol, and published it in Extraordinary Science. I did a little poking around on the web for the magazine, and found that it was published by the Telsa Society, which has since "withered on the vine", to quote one of America's foremost proponents of starving good causes to death. I was wondering if anyone still had contact with McGuinniss, or any of the other members of that Society. It seems like a such an incredible waste to have the content of those articles condemned to being committed to a limited edition of paper issues. I realize that the magazine was probably copyrighted and intended to provide needed revenue for the Society, but I wonder if the former owners of the magazine would mind having the articles scanned, and put up on the web for all to read, now that the Tesla Society has been effectively done in. Any thoughts, suggestions, or corrections on this matter? Knuke Michael T. Huffman Huffman Technology Company 1121 Dustin Drive The Villages, Florida 32159 (352)259-1276 knuke@LCIA.COM http://www.aa.net/~knuke/index.htm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 3 13:20:15 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA23914; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 13:19:58 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 13:19:58 -0700 Message-ID: <37A74F45.EB0733F7@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 16:21:26 -0400 From: Henry Curtis X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: REVERSE ENERGY FLOW\Tesla Mag References: <19990803195422796.AAA165@mail.lcia.com@lizard> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"sDDui3.0.Zr5.kxqft"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11240 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Dear Michael, Exoticscience is alive and kicking. Steve Elswick is publishing it now. He seperated from The Tesla Society a couple of years ago. Here is the url http://www.exoticresearch.com/ Hope this helps. Henry Curtis Michael T Huffman wrote: > I wouldn't mind discussing your work, either, if it's valid, and you could > provide some insight. I'm not all that familiar with it, I'm afraid, but I > can catch up pretty quickly. > > Another thing that I was wondering, I had a brief exchange with Gary Hawkins > not long ago regarding his work with high voltage arc experiments. He said > that he had done a write up of the protocol, and published it in > Extraordinary Science. I did a little poking around on the web for the > magazine, and found that it was published by the Telsa Society, which has > since "withered on the vine", to quote one of America's foremost proponents > of starving good causes to death. > > I was wondering if anyone still had contact with McGuinniss, or any of the > other members of that Society. It seems like a such an incredible waste to > have the content of those articles condemned to being committed to a limited > edition of paper issues. I realize that the magazine was probably > copyrighted and intended to provide needed revenue for the Society, but I > wonder if the former owners of the magazine would mind having the articles > scanned, and put up on the web for all to read, now that the Tesla Society > has been effectively done in. > > Any thoughts, suggestions, or corrections on this matter? > > Knuke > > Michael T. Huffman > Huffman Technology Company > 1121 Dustin Drive > The Villages, Florida 32159 > (352)259-1276 > knuke@LCIA.COM > http://www.aa.net/~knuke/index.htm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 3 13:48:35 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA00967; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 13:48:04 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 13:48:04 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: euston.city.ac.uk: remi owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 21:47:59 +0100 (BST) From: Cornwall RO X-Sender: remi@euston To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Learning Basic to intermediate levels electronics In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19990803162656.011e57b4@pop.mindspring.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"Se7DM2.0.yE.3Mrft"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11242 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Zac, Try Horowitz and Hill 'The Art of Electronics' should be about 3rd ed by now Cambridge Uni Press. Remi. On Tue, 3 Aug 1999, Zac Miller wrote: > Hi, > I've been subscribed to this list for a long time, I find the discussions > interesting and am interested in Tesla. I was wondering if anyone could > recommend a book/kit that teaches the how/why/what of electronics in a > hands on way. > > Thanks for your time, > Zac Miller - Artemis Society International http://www.asi.org > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 3 14:02:48 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA06844; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 14:02:29 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 14:02:29 -0700 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Red-Leader" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 16:02:31 +0000 Subject: Re: Learning Basic to intermediate levels electronics Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-Id: <19990803160236.18dbb51c.in@smtp.dabney.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"f8okF.0.qg1.aZrft"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11243 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Zac Miller wrote: > Hi, > I've been subscribed to this list for a long time, I find the discussions > interesting and am interested in Tesla. I was wondering if anyone could > recommend a book/kit that teaches the how/why/what of electronics in a > hands on way. The kits sold by Radio Shack are pretty decent. They have you build projects that use electronics concepts as they're explained. If you're just starting out in electronics that's what I would recomend but if you're already familier with most of it they're not going to help you a whole lot. ===================== Emmett Hawkins "Red-Leader" Red-Leader@Dabney.com ===================== From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 3 14:09:09 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA11507; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 14:08:55 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 14:08:55 -0700 X-Sender: knuke@mail.lcia.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: knuke@LCIA.COM (Michael T Huffman) Subject: Re: REVERSE ENERGY FLOW\Tesla Mag Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 17:15:00 -0400 Message-ID: <19990803211500000.AAA285@mail.lcia.com@lizard> Resent-Message-ID: <"adnVs1.0.ep2.dfrft"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11244 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >Dear Michael, > >Exoticscience is alive and kicking. Steve Elswick is publishing it now. He seperated >from The Tesla Society a couple of years ago. Here is the url >http://www.exoticresearch.com/ > >Hope this helps. > >Henry Curtis Hey Thanks! This is good news. Knuke Michael T. Huffman Huffman Technology Company 1121 Dustin Drive The Villages, Florida 32159 (352)259-1276 knuke@LCIA.COM http://www.aa.net/~knuke/index.htm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 3 14:28:49 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA27931; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 14:27:53 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 14:27:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37A75EBA.5F72@cyberportal.net> Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 17:27:22 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Power Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: e-mail from another freenrg list member Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"1-ypo3.0.Kq6.Nxrft"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11245 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I am convinced that Jerry Decker's true agenda is to suppress Free Energy. I have been keeping an eye on him and 9 out of 10 of his words are spent on attempting to debunk and put down researchers and their ideas. I hope 2000 will bring in a new millenia of open minded researchers. I hope Bill Beaty is one of these. We need more of these kind of people to help drive out the Jerry Deckers that have infiltrated the Free Energy community. Only then will any attempt to release world changing information succeed and not be suppressed. (mailers identity deleted for privacy) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 3 14:27:48 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAB18478; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 14:27:29 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 14:27:29 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990803172927.012bea20@inforamp.net> X-Sender: quinney@inforamp.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 17:29:27 -0700 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Quinney Subject: Re: REVERSE ENERGY FLOW\Tesla Mag In-Reply-To: <19990803195422796.AAA165@mail.lcia.com@lizard> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"3F2ps2.0.dW4.1xrft"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11246 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 03:54 PM 08/03/99 -0400, Knuke wrote: > >Another thing that I was wondering, I had a brief exchange with Gary Hawkins >not long ago regarding his work with high voltage arc experiments. He said >that he had done a write up of the protocol, and published it in >Extraordinary Science. Did he perhaps mention what issue that might be? I used to be a subscriber of Extraordinary Science for a couple of years. Colin Quinney From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 3 15:08:41 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA08112; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 15:08:24 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 15:08:24 -0700 X-Sender: knuke@mail.lcia.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: knuke@LCIA.COM (Michael T Huffman) Subject: Re: Learning Basic to intermediate levels electronics Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 18:14:27 -0400 Message-ID: <19990803221427468.AAA259@mail.lcia.com@lizard> Resent-Message-ID: <"WTlfr3.0.f-1.NXsft"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11247 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > Hi, >I've been subscribed to this list for a long time, I find the discussions >interesting and am interested in Tesla. I was wondering if anyone could >recommend a book/kit that teaches the how/why/what of electronics in a >hands on way. > >Thanks for your time, >Zac Miller - Artemis Society International http://www.asi.org > Edmond Scientific has some good kits http://www.edsci.com/ Radio Shack has some good kits and books http://www.radioshack.com/ Grainger has a basic electronics book that I've found to be useful. http://www.grainger.com/ There are a bunch of other ones like the Amatuer Radio Handbook, and the TTL Cookbook that I've wanted to get, and you can probably find them at Borders.com or Amazon.com I pretty much find whatever I need on the web though, these days. www.repairfaq.org is one of my favorite places. Tons of stuff in there. Bill Beaty's site is pretty great, too. http://www.amasci.com/ And don't worry if you get lost in there, Bill designed it that way for a reason, I'm almost positive.:) Hope this helps. Knuke Michael T. Huffman Huffman Technology Company 1121 Dustin Drive The Villages, Florida 32159 (352)259-1276 knuke@LCIA.COM http://www.aa.net/~knuke/index.htm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 3 15:17:21 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA15569; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 15:17:02 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 15:17:02 -0700 X-Sender: knuke@mail.lcia.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: knuke@LCIA.COM (Michael T Huffman) Subject: Re: REVERSE ENERGY FLOW\Tesla Mag Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 18:23:04 -0400 Message-ID: <19990803222304250.AAA275@mail.lcia.com@lizard> Resent-Message-ID: <"r_k5b1.0.5p3.Ufsft"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11248 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >At 03:54 PM 08/03/99 -0400, Knuke wrote: >> >>Another thing that I was wondering, I had a brief exchange with Gary Hawkins >>not long ago regarding his work with high voltage arc experiments. He said >>that he had done a write up of the protocol, and published it in >>Extraordinary Science. > >Did he perhaps mention what issue that might be? I used to be a subscriber >of Extraordinary Science for a couple of years. > >Colin Quinney He said that it was in 1996 but he couldn't remember what month. Maybe it's on that website, I have to check that still. Knuke Michael T. Huffman Huffman Technology Company 1121 Dustin Drive The Villages, Florida 32159 (352)259-1276 knuke@LCIA.COM http://www.aa.net/~knuke/index.htm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 3 15:41:18 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA24595; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 15:40:56 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 15:40:56 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990803183206.011ea638@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: aces79@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 18:32:06 -0400 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Zac Miller Subject: Learning Electronics In-Reply-To: <19990803221427468.AAA259@mail.lcia.com@lizard> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"zTr1i3.0.C06.t_sft"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11249 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: , Much thanks to everyone that replied to my learning electronics message...I'm sure your information will be most helpful. BTW, does anyone have the photograph of the pyramid shaped metal object atop a tesla coil, with a double helix of blue electricty/energy coming out the top? I lost it and would love to download another copy. Thanks agian, Zac Miller - Artemis Society International http://www.asi.org From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 3 15:54:22 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA28452; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 15:54:04 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 15:54:04 -0700 Message-ID: <001301bede03$4ded0640$ab3afea9@y9g6r3> From: "atglab" To: Subject: A Question! Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 17:55:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"A9VNY.0.Ty6.CCtft"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11250 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I know this must have been answered one of those days I skipped class or in the last page of one of those chapters I did not read, but I need an answer to complete a thought process. (A) Does the earths magnetic field rotate in sync with the earth ? If so then would it not be possible for a coil and load in space to produce an induced current ? If not and the field is stationary and the earth rotates within, why does a fixed coil and load on earth not produce an induced current ? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 3 16:20:20 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA07745; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 16:18:35 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 16:18:35 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19990802193049.01232260@cnct.com> X-Sender: knagel@cnct.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 19:30:52 -0400 To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net From: Keith Nagel Subject: Re: e-mail from another freenrg list member Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"k7CL33.0.wu1.BZtft"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11251 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi. It's ironic; I first found out about YOU and your work from frequenting Jerry's BBS. How about that? Not very good work supressing there... Anyway, it's clear you two have some issues. I'm in no position to judge, so I won't. Please, we welcome you to discuss alternative energy issues. Do so. Be aware, your anonymous friends comments can well apply here, you should expect critical commentary concerning your work. Thats why (some) folks come here. Anyway, please stay focused and post on your work. You'll get relevant feedback. K. At 05:27 PM 8/3/99 -0400, you wrote: >I am convinced that Jerry Decker's true agenda is to suppress >Free Energy. I have been keeping an eye on him and 9 out of 10 >of his words are spent on attempting to debunk and put down >researchers and their ideas. > >I hope 2000 will bring in a new millenia of open minded researchers. >I hope Bill Beaty is one of these. > >We need more of these kind of people to help drive out the Jerry Deckers >that have infiltrated the Free Energy community. > >Only then will any attempt to release world changing information succeed >and not be suppressed. > > (mailers identity deleted for privacy) > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 3 16:25:58 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA10379; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 16:24:20 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 16:24:20 -0700 X-Sender: knuke@mail.lcia.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: knuke@LCIA.COM (Michael T Huffman) Subject: Re: REVERSE ENERGY FLOW\Tesla Mag Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 19:30:21 -0400 Message-ID: <19990803233021421.AAA231@mail.lcia.com@lizard> Resent-Message-ID: <"WWyEG3.0._X2.Zetft"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11252 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I wrote: >He said that it was in 1996 but he couldn't remember what month. Maybe it's >on that website, I have to check that still. > >Knuke I looked at that website, and don't think that the article is there. They don't list the author's name with the articles in the index, so it's hard to tell. Also Exotic Research and Extraordinary Research may be two different mags altogether. Anyone know for sure? Knuke Michael T. Huffman Huffman Technology Company 1121 Dustin Drive The Villages, Florida 32159 (352)259-1276 knuke@LCIA.COM http://www.aa.net/~knuke/index.htm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 3 16:33:18 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA13436; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 16:31:35 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 16:31:35 -0700 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Red-Leader" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 18:31:41 +0000 Subject: Re: A Question! Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-Id: <19990803183145.19644b1b.in@smtp.dabney.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"ego2g.0.rH3.Nltft"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11253 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > (A) Does the earths magnetic field rotate in sync with the earth ? If so > then would it not be possible for a coil and load in space to produce an > induced current ? If not and the field is stationary and the earth rotates > within, why does a fixed coil and load on earth not produce an induced > current ? Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the field does rotate with the earth and a coil and load in space do produce electricity. I recall NASA had problems working with tethered satalites because the current generated in the tethering cable was enough to make it heat up and break or even melt. I believe they've since found ways of countering it but why they didn't look into powering satalites that way I don't know. Seems like it would be cheaper than solar panels. ===================== Emmett Hawkins "Red-Leader" Red-Leader@Dabney.com ===================== From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 3 16:49:30 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA20018; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 16:47:57 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 16:47:57 -0700 Message-ID: <00de01bede0a$99c4bfc0$345895d1@premio> Reply-To: "Gene Marlin" From: "Gene Marlin" To: Subject: Re: A Question! Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 18:47:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"lQtML.0.Zu4.i-tft"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11254 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the field does rotate >with the earth and a coil and load in space do produce electricity. I >recall NASA had problems working with tethered satalites because the >current generated in the tethering cable was enough to make it heat >up and break or even melt. I believe they've since found ways of >countering it but why they didn't look into powering satalites that >way I don't know. Seems like it would be cheaper than solar panels. Either the line sparked and that very small portion vaporized, or a paint chip got it. I think NASA decided it was a spark. It is my understanding that work is still on the drawing boards for additional experiments, possibly from ISS. Work in space takes lots of planning and paperwork, especially with the budget cuts and long turnaround time on shuttles. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 3 17:10:01 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA28965; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 17:08:10 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 17:08:10 -0700 Message-ID: <37A785EA.622F@cyberportal.net> Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 20:14:34 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Power Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Keith Nagel CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: e-mail from another freenrg list member References: <3.0.32.19990802193049.01232260@cnct.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"wV-2j.0.R47.fHuft"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11255 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > > Hi. > > It's ironic; I first found out about YOU and your work from > frequenting Jerry's BBS. How about that? Not very good work > supressing there... Jerry was a nice guy back when I met him at the 1996 Tesla Symposium. He even treated me to breakfast. I know there is still someone decent under the bitterness. > > Anyway, it's clear you two have some issues. I'm in no > position to judge, so I won't. Please, we welcome you to > discuss alternative energy issues. Do so. Be aware, your > anonymous friends comments can well apply here, you should > expect critical commentary concerning your work. Thats why (some) > folks come here. Anyway, please stay focused and post on > your work. You'll get relevant feedback. > > K. I am open to CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM. I will stay focused so long as stones are not thrown at me. If stones are hurled I will defend myself. The same goes if I see stones being thrown at someone else and they are afraid to defend themselves. Even so, I will try to defend with tact and refrain from flaming. -Bruce A. Perreault From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 3 17:47:11 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA07513; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 17:46:44 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 17:46:44 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 14:08:01 -1000 Subject: Floating magnet picture - JPG, ~20K From: "Rick Monteverde" To: freenrg Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3016534081_8339980_MIME_Part" Message-Id: <199908032008.SM00234@[192.168.0.2]> Resent-Message-ID: <"HK5Em3.0.Ir1.qruft"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11256 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3016534081_8339980_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Here's a JPG of how I can get a magnet to float between my fingers. That's a larger ceramic magnet in a steel shell on top of the wood, and a SMOT magnet between my fingers. Couldn't get a true floater and take a picture at the same time, but this shows how to do it. Get the magnet centered under the larger magnet where you feel no forces, and *very* carefully let go. Your fingers always impart some small momentum when you let go (wipe them dry and clean the magnet first), and if you're off or the momentum is too great the magnet floats up or down against one of your fingers. 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Decker" Reply-To: jdecker@keelynet.com Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Re: e-mail from another freenrg list member References: <37A75EBA.5F72@cyberportal.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"AiraA2.0.Hn2.Uxuft"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11257 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Shall we get down to brass tacks? Without the Microsoft and simpleton acolytes and the sniveling anonymous (typical) remails (if they ever existed, stand for yourself, otherwise shut the heck up). With regard to FREE ENERGY and CLAIMS of inside knowledge that has led to a WORKING DEVICE. Yep, let us certainly impugn any and all who ask for PROOF of claims. An idea, a theory, a concept is one thing, but to say it works, going so far as to SELL PLANS that STATE IT WORKS, knowing it is a lie and a fraud, that is wrong and dishonest. The wheel is going full circle, reality checks are in place for many these days and claimants or frauds should be countenanced for PROOF. All those people who bought those 'radiant bs' plans, then spent all that time and money trying to build it, TRUSTING the word of the 'author', (I was drawn into it then too, for which I am eternally sorry) then to be told 'they didn't do it right' and FINALLY, guess who slipped up and admitted it had NEVER BEEN BUILT and thus had never worked. The result was a narrowly averted class action lawsuit against guess who and the now defunct ITS...and who recommended to NOT sue, let it go, let people find out for themselves and pass the word around. We need to clean our own houses, to REQUIRE that people who make claims PROVE them or shut up and go away. That approach applies to anyone making claims of a working device that doesn't, selling plans that don't work or promoting themselves and their delusions for money, living off the trust and naivete of others. So, buy the claims, buy the plans, let those who can't or won't make it in the real world live off your income and trust, but don't be surprised or disappointed when those plans don't work. Free energy plans indeed, that's why we are knee deep in free energy machines everywhere we turn. These successful designs that work so well are so ubiquitous that we don't even RECOGNIZE THEM anymore...puhleeze... Some of us WILL be involved in making free energy and gravity control a REALITY, not a scam or fraud just looking for your money. I knew the tail caught in the trap would yield more screams...never fails...I'm not selling anything, I work for my income, just like most people on this list...been actively involved for some 30 years, 15 or so of those public and FREE, inciting/instigating/inspiring MANY others in this now burgeoning field....do you think guess who works for income or has in YEARS...nope, its much too easy to snow people with claims.... So, enough, it is a free energy list and this post refers to claims and scams...history speaks for itself....without 'nu' age interpretations. Get back to something useful, IDEAS for CERTAIN, but one day, a working device that everyone will be able to prove for themselves. -- Jerry Wayne Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-3501 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 3 18:00:40 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA16844; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 18:00:28 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 18:00:28 -0700 Message-ID: <37A79112.AF1FC01@intergate.bc.ca> Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 18:02:10 -0700 From: alik X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Learning Basic to intermediate levels electronics References: <3.0.1.32.19990803162656.011e57b4@pop.mindspring.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------A70FB151AFC205A9E1D1C494" Resent-Message-ID: <"2ZLL53.0.174.h2vft"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11258 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: --------------A70FB151AFC205A9E1D1C494 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Zac Miller wrote: > Hi, > I've been subscribed to this list for a long time, I find the discussions > interesting and am interested in Tesla. I was wondering if anyone could > recommend a book/kit that teaches the how/why/what of electronics in a > hands on way. > Three books (actually 5) that anyone thinking about experimenting with exotic gadgets/ 'weird energies' should have: Art of Electronics by Horowitz and Hill Building Scientific Apparatus (a little bit about everything: optics, vacuum, glass-work etc) R.Feyman's 3volume Lectures on Physics. Another really good source of experimental gizmo information is Review of Scientific Istruments. It is kind of expensive but most university libraries have it. Good luck. Alik S. --------------A70FB151AFC205A9E1D1C494 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  

Zac Miller wrote:

        Hi,
I've been subscribed to this list for a long time, I find the discussions
interesting and am interested in Tesla.  I was wondering if anyone could
recommend a book/kit that teaches the how/why/what of electronics in a
hands on way.
 
Three books (actually 5) that anyone thinking about experimenting with exotic gadgets/ 'weird energies' should have:

Art of Electronics by Horowitz and Hill
Building Scientific Apparatus (a little bit about everything: optics, vacuum, glass-work etc)
R.Feyman's 3volume Lectures on Physics.

Another really good source of experimental gizmo information is Review of Scientific Istruments. It is kind of expensive but most university libraries have it.

Good luck.

Alik S. --------------A70FB151AFC205A9E1D1C494-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 3 18:02:58 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA17763; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 18:02:44 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 18:02:44 -0700 X-BPC-Relay-Envelope-From: rvanspaa@bigpond.net.au X-BPC-Relay-Envelope-To: X-BPC-Relay-Sender-Host: CPE-24-192-27-124.vic.bigpond.net.au [24.192.27.124] X-BPC-Relay-Info: Message delivered directly. From: rvanspaa@bigpond.net.au (Robin van Spaandonk) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: A Question! Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 01:02:07 GMT Organization: Improving Message-ID: <37a99061.156685033@mail-hub> References: <19990803183145.19644b1b.in@smtp.dabney.com> In-Reply-To: <19990803183145.19644b1b.in@smtp.dabney.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id SAA17742 Resent-Message-ID: <"rexj33.0.SL4.q4vft"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11259 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Tue, 3 Aug 1999 18:31:41 +0000, Red-Leader wrote: [snip] >way I don't know. Seems like it would be cheaper than solar panels. [snip] The problem here is that it acts as a magnetic brake on the satellite, slowing it down. So all you are really doing is converting the kinetic energy of the satellite into electrical energy. That means you need to burn fuel to compensate, so you might as well burn the fuel in a fuel cell and produce electricity directly, and more efficiently. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 3 18:12:03 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA21132; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 18:11:48 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 18:11:48 -0700 X-Sender: knuke@mail.lcia.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: knuke@LCIA.COM (Michael T Huffman) Subject: Re: A Question! Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 21:17:51 -0400 Message-ID: <19990804011751828.AAA265@mail.lcia.com@lizard> Resent-Message-ID: <"mb2ll1.0.5A5.JDvft"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11260 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Emmett wrote: >Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the field does rotate >with the earth and a coil and load in space do produce electricity. I >recall NASA had problems working with tethered satalites because the >current generated in the tethering cable was enough to make it heat >up and break or even melt. I believe they've since found ways of >countering it but why they didn't look into powering satalites that >way I don't know. Seems like it would be cheaper than solar panels. Hi Emmett, I thought I had read the same thing, but went back and checked, and I think that what NASA was doing with the tether/rope concept was something different. From what I gathered, the tether was supposed to pick up charged particles from the upper atmosphere (ozone layer), and use that to power some low orbiting satelites. NASA maintains a pretty good database of articles at http://science.nasa.gov/newhome/research.htm if you want to read more. Knuke Michael T. Huffman Huffman Technology Company 1121 Dustin Drive The Villages, Florida 32159 (352)259-1276 knuke@LCIA.COM http://www.aa.net/~knuke/index.htm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 3 18:28:28 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA26093; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 18:28:08 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 18:28:08 -0700 Message-ID: <37A7973B.FC2D898D@harti.com> Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 03:28:27 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Free Energy , Newman-L Mailing List Subject: Big update on Methernitha Testatika ! X-Priority: 1 (Highest) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"fwD8B1.0.cN6.eSvft"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11261 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: http://www.overunity.com/testatika/ A group of over 30 engineers have visited Methernitha lately. First hand report of a visitor ! Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. In. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 3 18:38:10 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA29830; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 18:37:54 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 18:37:54 -0700 X-Sender: knuke@mail.lcia.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: knuke@LCIA.COM (Michael T Huffman) Subject: Re: Floating magnet picture - JPG, ~20K Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 21:43:57 -0400 Message-ID: <19990804014357156.AAA158@mail.lcia.com@lizard> Resent-Message-ID: <"ndkyR2.0.rH7.nbvft"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11262 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >Here's a JPG of how I can get a magnet to float between my fingers. That's a >larger ceramic magnet in a steel shell on top of the wood, and a SMOT magnet >between my fingers. Couldn't get a true floater and take a picture at the >same time, but this shows how to do it. Get the magnet centered under the >larger magnet where you feel no forces, and *very* carefully let go. Your >fingers always impart some small momentum when you let go (wipe them dry and >clean the magnet first), and if you're off or the momentum is too great the >magnet floats up or down against one of your fingers. But if you do it just >right, the magnet will do an oscillation in the air between your fingers >which decays towards a center point between your fingers - that's how you >know you've got a good floater. > >- Rick Monteverde >Honolulu, HI >Attachment Converted: C:\INTERNET\EUDORA\MAGLEV1.JPG Looks pretty cool Rick, do you thing that the oscillation would be enough to power a small lever or something? I know it wouldn't be the salvation of humanity, but a clock run by it would be neat desktop demo. No Y2K hassles, either! Knuke Michael T. Huffman Huffman Technology Company 1121 Dustin Drive The Villages, Florida 32159 (352)259-1276 knuke@LCIA.COM http://www.aa.net/~knuke/index.htm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 3 18:54:51 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA01679; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 18:54:15 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 18:54:15 -0700 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Red-Leader" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 20:54:23 +0000 Subject: Re: A Question! Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-Id: <19990803205427.19e6f46a.in@smtp.dabney.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"WhNqC3.0.8Q.7rvft"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11263 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Robin wrote: > The problem here is that it acts as a magnetic brake on the satellite, > slowing it down. So all you are really doing is converting the kinetic > energy of the satellite into electrical energy. That means you need to > burn fuel to compensate, so you might as well burn the fuel in a fuel > cell and produce electricity directly, and more efficiently. You're right, the coil working against the magnetic field would slow it down. In the absence of all other friction it wouldn't slow it down much but most satellites would get screwed up by even a little deviation in their course, speed, etc. ===================== Emmett Hawkins "Red-Leader" Red-Leader@Dabney.com ===================== From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 3 19:11:18 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA07888; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 19:11:01 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 19:11:01 -0700 Message-ID: <37A7A2B7.6428@cyberportal.net> Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 22:17:27 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Power Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Re: e-mail from another freenrg list member References: <37A75EBA.5F72@cyberportal.net> <37A78ECC.70E2F3B1@keelynet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"OIk7B2.0.5x1.q4wft"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11264 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Jerry, I am assuming you are still whining about those chlorine tubes. Just because you couldn't get them to work doesant mean that others have not been sucessful with them. In fact, I gained a life long associate and friend from those plans. You see, he was sucessful with those plans. He didn't get a whole lot of power but saw the concept as a stepping stone. As a team, many doors have been opened for us. The star-mode is just one example. In fact Jerry, we will be offering several products soon. Yup, J.W. of the International Tesla Society had made some pretty tall claims. At the start I didn't want to go on his radio show, let alone go in front of people and expose my research publicaly. My first radio show J.W. announces that I have plans to sell! To make this short... there were no plans, all of my research data was stored in my computer... J.W. calls a few days later and says that he needs some plans shipped to him... what plans? Needless to say, I printed out scores of data from my computer, copied relevant articles and patents, even drew up rough plans of one of my chlorine tube experiments. Yes, I build the damned thing! In fact, a neighbor helped find a vacuum leak in my copper tubing. Next, off to the copy shop, print up the papers, put them in office folders and off to J.W. they went... and so begain the biggest mistake of my carrier... Decker hasn't got off my case since. I could go on and on the many rollar coaster rides that J.W. put me through over the years putting words into my mouth. Hard lessons were learned and it has made me a very out-spoken person in this field. Whoever attended the Exotic Research Conference last week knows that I am not playing games with people. I call it the way it is. Who the hell do you think you are Jerry? Take a good look in the mirror! What have you done for this field? Show me your fruits! -Bruce A. Perreault Jerry W. Decker wrote: > > Shall we get down to brass tacks? Without the Microsoft and simpleton > acolytes and the sniveling anonymous (typical) remails (if they ever > existed, stand for yourself, otherwise shut the heck up). > > With regard to FREE ENERGY and CLAIMS of inside knowledge that has led > to a WORKING DEVICE. > > Yep, let us certainly impugn any and all who ask for PROOF of claims. > > An idea, a theory, a concept is one thing, but to say it works, going so > far as to SELL PLANS that STATE IT WORKS, knowing it is a lie and a > fraud, that is wrong and dishonest. > > The wheel is going full circle, reality checks are in place for many > these days and claimants or frauds should be countenanced for PROOF. > > All those people who bought those 'radiant bs' plans, then spent all > that time and money trying to build it, TRUSTING the word of the > 'author', (I was drawn into it then too, for which I am eternally sorry) > then to be told 'they didn't do it right' and FINALLY, guess who slipped > up and admitted it had NEVER BEEN BUILT and thus had never worked. > > The result was a narrowly averted class action lawsuit against guess who > and the now defunct ITS...and who recommended to NOT sue, let it go, let > people find out for themselves and pass the word around. We need to > clean our own houses, to REQUIRE that people who make claims PROVE them > or shut up and go away. > > That approach applies to anyone making claims of a working device that > doesn't, selling plans that don't work or promoting themselves and their > delusions for money, living off the trust and naivete of others. > > So, buy the claims, buy the plans, let those who can't or won't make it > in the real world live off your income and trust, but don't be surprised > or disappointed when those plans don't work. > > Free energy plans indeed, that's why we are knee deep in free energy > machines everywhere we turn. These successful designs that work so well > are so ubiquitous that we don't even RECOGNIZE THEM > anymore...puhleeze... > > Some of us WILL be involved in making free energy and gravity control a > REALITY, not a scam or fraud just looking for your money. > > I knew the tail caught in the trap would yield more screams...never > fails...I'm not selling anything, I work for my income, just like most > people on this list...been actively involved for some 30 years, 15 or so > of those public and FREE, inciting/instigating/inspiring MANY others in > this now burgeoning field....do you think guess who works for income or > has in YEARS...nope, its much too easy to snow people with claims.... > > So, enough, it is a free energy list and this post refers to claims and > scams...history speaks for itself....without 'nu' age interpretations. > > Get back to something useful, IDEAS for CERTAIN, but one day, a working > device that everyone will be able to prove for themselves. > -- > Jerry Wayne Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com > http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" > Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-3501 > KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 3 19:47:13 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA21822; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 19:46:52 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 19:46:52 -0700 Message-ID: <37A7AB1B.78D3@cyberportal.net> Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 22:53:15 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Power Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: exotic@casagrande.com Subject: Re: REVERSE ENERGY FLOW\Tesla Mag References: <19990803195422796.AAA165@mail.lcia.com@lizard> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"dvt6l1.0.tK5.Rcwft"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11265 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Michael T Huffman wrote: > > I was wondering if anyone still had contact with McGuinniss, or any of the > other members of that Society. It seems like a such an incredible waste to > have the content of those articles condemned to being committed to a limited > edition of paper issues. I realize that the magazine was probably > copyrighted and intended to provide needed revenue for the Society, but I > wonder if the former owners of the magazine would mind having the articles > scanned, and put up on the web for all to read, now that the Tesla Society > has been effectively done in. Most of the people who belonged to the Tesla Society are now Exotic Research members. Steve Elswick who was once the President of the Tesla Society has revived the society and its aims through Exotic Research. The conference last week was the best that I have ever attended. Around 150 attended and it was like a family gathering. -Bruce A. Perreault From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 3 20:28:30 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA00378; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 20:26:12 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 20:26:12 -0700 Message-ID: <37A7B459.7B4B@cyberportal.net> Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 23:32:41 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Power Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com CC: Michael T Huffman Subject: Re: Exotic Research References: <19990804031715453.AAA274@mail.lcia.com@lizard> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"0ud_R.0.o5.KBxft"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11266 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > > Interesting. It looks like I'm not very up to date on the politics of this, > but that's OK, I'd just as soon stay out of it. I was mainly wondering > where I could get a copy of Gary Hawkins' article that was published in > Extraordinary Science. Is that different from the Exotic Research > publication? Do you have anything published about your work on the web, so > that I could familiarize myself with it? Do you have the month and year that the article was published? I have a few back issues that I can check. Yes, Exotic Research is a whole new ball game. It is a whole new entity. Ask Steve for a sample magazine... My website -> www.cyberportal.net/nuenergy/main.html -Bruce A. Perreault From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 3 21:50:44 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA21240; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 21:48:30 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 21:48:30 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.16.19990803214718.23d7068c@earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (16) Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 21:47:18 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: hovering magnet between your fingers In-Reply-To: <199908030540.SM00234@[192.168.0.2]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"GouYL3.0.nB5.TOyft"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11267 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi Rick, At 11:40 PM 8/2/99 -1000, you wrote: >Wow - just tried this, and it's not really hard to do at all. Takes a steady >hand though. I used a large disc shaped ceramic for the upper magnet, >sitting on a board. Both a tiny neodymium and a standard grade 5 ceramic >SMOT magnet worked off my hands and fingers. The SMOT brick shaped magnet >was easier I think due to its larger mass as tiny hand movements cause the >thing to jump up and down. Hold it bewtween two fingers under the large >magnet, center it in the neutral weight zone and just gently widen the gap >and see light both above and below. And I remember seeing that for the first >time above a superconductor and thinking it was magic. This is really cool! > Is your SMOT magnet the approx 1x3x5 cm available from Radio Shack? I am trying 2 Neodym magnets, one much larger and fixed. I hold the smaller one with one finger in the attraction zone with the finger between the 2. As I slowly move it farther away slowly, the upward force decreases. It ALMOST hovers before it falls away. I also tried one finger below the small magnet moving it toward the neutral zone, as well as fingers on both sides. Any other tips? Haven't tried carbon yet, but the candle wax I tested was slightly paramagnetic, not diamagnetic as required. I have tried copper between the magnets which I measure as diamagnetic (or eddy current repulsion?). I also tested water, which I could not measure. -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 3 21:55:54 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA23286; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 21:55:38 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 21:55:38 -0700 From: Keasy@aol.com Message-ID: <5a6f8580.24d92198@aol.com> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 00:54:48 EDT Subject: Re: A Question! To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 Resent-Message-ID: <"tRAKW3.0.hh5.AVyft"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11268 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: In a message dated 8/3/99 4:33:16 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Red-Leader@dabney.com writes: > > Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the field does rotate > with the earth and a coil and load in space do produce electricity. I > recall NASA had problems working with tethered satalites because the > current generated in the tethering cable was enough to make it heat > up and break or even melt. I believe they've since found ways of > countering it but why they didn't look into powering satalites that > way I don't know. Seems like it would be cheaper than solar panels. > I think that's right, but I have always thought the reason they didn't use that to power satellites was because there would be a force causing the satellite to slow down -- (the energy has to come from somewhere, and at least some is by reducing the satellite/wire velocity). Ken From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 3 22:45:54 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA01056; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 22:43:40 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 22:43:40 -0700 From: "Harvey Norris" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: A Question! Message-Id: <933745419.26004.667@excite.com> Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 22:43:39 PDT X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 207.220.167.41 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"rLxuz.0.OG.CCzft"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11269 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Tue, 3 Aug 1999 17:55:37 -0500, atglab wrote: > I know this must have been answered one of those days I skipped class or in > the last page of one of those chapters I did not read, but I need an answer > to complete a thought process. Huh, Im surprised no one mentioned the gyromagnetic ratio? I think Ampere wrote on this in experimental research,or perhaps Faraday, but I dont recall how much is theory and what is proven. Some of the electrons in the ferromagnetic material are not paired by opposite spins and these cohered spins in one direction produce the observed magnetic fields, and again if I am not mistaken this electron spin around the nucleus to explain ferromagnetism was called Amperian current flow. Now spinning electrons do have inertia And this accounts for the inertial effects of magnetic fields, particularly in this case where a magnetised material is spun on the axis of its poles. As may be recalled no induced currents are created by a loop around this spin. Each of those spins act like individual gyroscopes Now this magnetic effect of translation through space by spin is more pronounced on the edges of the cylinder that spins then the center which might not be affected, (my physics is shaky here). But what these magnetic gyroscopes do is pivot just like an ordinary gyroscope would pivot when placed on the outside of a cylinder and placed in motion as the cylinder spins. The gyroscopic precession of spin that occurs in these "magneto-gyrosopes" also means that this tilt changes the direction or orientation of the magnetic field lines leaving the material. Thus spinning the material along the polar axis induces a gyroscopic reaction that makes the field lines exibit inertia because even though the material spins the field lines do not after no further acceleration occurs. However during acceleration or de-accelaration this effect can be measured and is known as the gyromagnetic effect. Look in a scientific encyclopedia for the proofs in these tests and a better explantion than I made. Of course this is quite remarkable, if my interpretation is correct this means that a stable spin of this cylinder produces NO MOVING FIELD LINES IN SPACE. This is noted by the result that no emf is generated on a closed loop at right angles to the supposed moving field lines. This is further illustrated in those theories by the fact that even if they were crossing the field lines, no amount of actual flux change would be occuring in the closed loop, therefore no generated emf should occur. > (A) Does the earths magnetic field rotate in sync with the earth ? If so > then would it not be possible for a coil and load in space to produce an > induced current ? If not and the field is stationary and the earth rotates > within, why does a fixed coil and load on earth not produce an induced > current ? I agree that the second circumstance should hold, which could be the basis for prentice patent, and space energy reciever schemes. But I also think that the earths magnetic field is comparatively very weak to earth currents, and that a wire or "closed loop" to harness this voltage change would be miniscule to any observers, if in fact not entirely ruled out by the preceeding argument. In fact even if the loops were verticle instead of horizontal as made in the analogy and one had loops going around the north and south poles the loops would still pick up nothing because no flux change within the loop is occuring from this field line rotation, and the wire would be interacting parallel and not orthogonally as the case for most all cases of induced emf. As to the case of the space shuttle tether, what makes anyone think those effects occured at a geosynchronius orbit? The relative amounts of rotation around the earth between the space shuttle and that naturally occuring 24 hours on earth shows a relative difference in which this magnetic interaction would be considerably enhanced. Just my opinions ... Sincerly Harvey D. Norris ________________________________________________________________ Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 3 23:30:26 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id XAA09745; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 23:28:09 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 23:28:09 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990804142728.008f3e40@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> X-Sender: jwinter@cyllene.uwa.edu.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 14:27:28 +0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: John Winterflood Subject: Re: Big update on Methernitha Testatika ! In-Reply-To: <37A7973B.FC2D898D@harti.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Rrc3z2.0.9O2.urzft"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11270 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi Stefan, That is a Big update! Any idea how Methernitha came to give such a demonstration ? ie How could one get into such a group of engineers to get a closer look ? How come you weren't there !? As you may know, I visited Methernitha, but they weren't showing anything, or even allowing the technical guys to be talked to. It seemed to me that they wanted to destroy the technology to prevent it falling into the wrong hands by being stolen. Mr Bosshart was happy to answer any questions I could think of asking, but unfortunately he is not very technical at all. Do you think that this event marks somewhat of an end to their efforts to suppress it? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 3 23:53:20 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id XAA15883; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 23:51:06 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 23:51:06 -0700 From: Trevmaniac@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 02:50:25 EDT Subject: Re: A toroidal overunity generator claim ! To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Resent-Message-ID: <"OaGIR3.0.0u3.PB-ft"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11272 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I wonder if you can find out a bit more about the test machine Stefan? Dimensions of toroid? Was it laminated? How many coils? What wire size? Type of magnets? How was the coil output measured? The performance figures are amazing if true. I would like to use a 'switched' reluctance motor to drive this generator. Each coil on the generator could drive a corresponding radial coil on the motor. No switches are necessary. The feedback circuits would be unbustable and performance would go through the roof! Does anyone have a rotor assembly they don't want? Or care to work on a joint project? I live in the Seattle area. Trevor Sleath 425 335-4394 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 3 23:53:20 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id XAA15818; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 23:50:42 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 23:50:42 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: euston.city.ac.uk: remi owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 07:50:37 +0100 (BST) From: Cornwall RO X-Sender: remi@euston To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: A Question! In-Reply-To: <933745419.26004.667@excite.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"zhygo1.0.2t3.1B-ft"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11271 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: In Response to Harvey, Try the Einstein de Haas experiment. I'm a bit busy to follow this thread. You knocked the idea about satelites and the earth quickly, magnetic braking. The EH experiment I think shows the collapse of aligned spins in ferromagnetic state when taken above Curie Point and the very real consequence of macroscopic rotation of the sample. BTW, does anybody know of gyromagneto effect as predicted by relativity. Someone mentioned it to me. I've got a door wedge text on relativity better check it out... Remi. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 3 23:53:52 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id XAA16819; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 23:53:38 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 23:53:38 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 20:53:35 -1000 Subject: Re: Floating magnet picture - JPG, ~20K From: "Rick Monteverde" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <199908040253.SM00234@[192.168.0.2]> Resent-Message-ID: <"UXcwA3.0.i64.oD-ft"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11273 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Knuke - > Looks pretty cool Rick, do you thing that the oscillation would be enough to > power a small lever or something? The wobble is just left over momentum from either being slightly off the perfect neutral plateau, or because a vibration in a finger gave it some momentum when it was released. It quickly damps out from air friction and, I would assume, hysteresis. It's just that the little damped wobble is a sign it's successfully seeking that slight "dimple" in the fields where it can hover with stability as opposed to falling or rising to your lower or upper finger. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 3 23:58:18 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id XAA19435; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 23:58:06 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 23:58:06 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 20:58:03 -1000 Subject: Re: hovering magnet between your fingers From: "Rick Monteverde" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <199908040258.SM00234@[192.168.0.2]> Resent-Message-ID: <"ARy2t3.0.Ul4.zH-ft"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11274 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Dave - > Is your SMOT magnet the approx 1x3x5 cm available from Radio Shack? Not sure if Radio Shack has them. The magnet in the picture is 6mm x 9mm x 14mm. > I am > trying 2 Neodym magnets, one much larger and fixed. I hold the smaller one > with one finger in the attraction zone with the finger between the 2. As I > slowly move it farther away slowly, the upward force decreases. It ALMOST > hovers before it falls away. I also tried one finger below the small magnet > moving it toward the neutral zone, as well as fingers on both sides. Any > other tips? Start with both fingers touching above and below as in the photo. Find the neutral point, and then *very carefully* spread your fingers. I have to brace my wrist against something and hold my breath. > Haven't tried carbon yet, but the candle wax I tested was slightly > paramagnetic, not diamagnetic as required. I have tried copper between the > magnets which I measure as diamagnetic (or eddy current repulsion?). > I also tested water, which I could not measure. > -Dave Pepto Bismol tablets might work too. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 4 01:04:52 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id BAA30499; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 01:02:35 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 01:02:35 -0700 Message-ID: <19990804080213.64376.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [208.254.227.176] From: "Timothy Flytcher" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Learning Basic to intermediate levels electronics Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 01:02:12 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"HDuuC3.0.SS7.QE_ft"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11275 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > Hi, >I've been subscribed to this list for a long time, I find the discussions >interesting and am interested in Tesla. I was wondering if anyone could >recommend a book/kit that teaches the how/why/what of electronics in a >hands on way. >Thanks for your time, >Zac Miller - Artemis Society International http://www.asi.org Edmond Scientific has a fantastic kit... it has 200 simple circuits and is in the shape of a brief case... it is a bit pricy but well worth it :) http://www.edsci.com/ _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 4 01:12:20 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id BAA32297; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 01:12:02 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 01:12:02 -0700 Message-ID: <19990804081128.54777.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [208.254.227.176] From: "Timothy Flytcher" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: A Question! Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 01:11:28 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"2HJ0M2.0.Yu7.HN_ft"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11276 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > >Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the field does rotate >with the earth and a coil and load in space do produce electricity. I >recall NASA had problems working with tethered satalites because the >current generated in the tethering cable was enough to make it heat >up and break or even melt. I believe they've since found ways of >countering it but why they didn't look into powering satalites that >way I don't know. Seems like it would be cheaper than solar panels. solar panels on satalites are just window dressing... there nuclear! just don't say it too loud... _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 4 01:39:50 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id BAA03689; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 01:37:30 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 01:37:30 -0700 Message-ID: <19990804083659.7846.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [208.254.227.176] From: "Timothy Flytcher" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Floating magnet picture - JPG, ~20K Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 01:36:59 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"xAwqZ2.0.Yv.Al_ft"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11277 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I agree Rick it dose look really cool!!! >Looks pretty cool Rick, do you thing that the oscillation would be enough >to >power a small lever or something? I know it wouldn't be the salvation of >humanity, but a clock run by it would be neat desktop demo. No Y2K >hassles, >either! but knuke.... the oscillations are not usable in my opinion... they are just vibration ... now if you could just harness vibration for your clock... just think a passing truck could wind you clock???? Timothy... _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 4 02:06:53 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id CAA07019; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 02:04:30 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 02:04:30 -0700 From: "Harvey Norris" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: A toroidal overunity generator claim ! Message-Id: <933757449.17913.220@excite.com> Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 02:04:09 PDT X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 207.220.167.29 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"spB1h.0.Wj1.U80gt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11278 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Tue, 03 Aug 1999 13:30:18 +0200, Stefan Hartmann wrote: > Hi All, > a toroidal overunity generator > has been build according simular to figure 1 at: > > http://www.time-machine.spb.ru/ph-machine.htm > > (Not by Mr. Frolov in this case , I just use this picture > for reference, the source wants to stay anonymous, > until his patent application is done and university > verification tests will be done) > > The claims are: > 1200 Watts coil out with about 1076.4 Watts in into the driving motor > at 3450 RPM. > > > 8 amps @117volts at noload Stefan had wrote a off list description of this device to 4 of the freenrg-l memebers including myself. It is hard to understand without a diagram but seeing it now I understand and remain dubious. It reminded me of Butch Lafonts effort in using an elliptical toroid but in this case the toroid is round. In my reply I noted that the device must have the necessary drawback that not even considering the lenz law force that hinders a rotating magnet which is an essential complement of all true motors and generators, this device is inherently designed with the flaw that its rotation of the magnetic rotor is hindered by the simple fact of magnetic attraction to the supposed ferrite ring used as the path of least magnetic reluctance. Thus here we can see that this is the case since the input with NO load is stated at 8 amps @117volts=936 possible watts maximum( I use this terminology to avoid phase angle confusion, and is entirely appropriate since this represents the maximum power expenditure,and any arguments to the contrary only reveal that less actual energy was expended) > > 9.2 amps @117 volts at full load This then indicates that the magnetic rotor was now encountering more resistive force than was initially found with no load! If no lenz law action is occuring why has this occurred! As I noted in my reply to Stefan before, which I carelessly did not bookmark, because the ring is the path of least reluctance, once the field lines have entered the ring they become parallel to any coil on the ring and only react at 90 degree angles exactly at the point where the field lines enter and exit the ring. Perhaps the measurement of 1200 watts output might occur right exactly at the specific time the poles cross this coil segment, but with only two small segments this average is not overunity. Furthermore the ACTUAL flux change as a whole on the entire ring is zero in this deceptive flux movement. > > The output of about 1200 Watts > is already a total overunity operation ! > > > As they just increase the input power by about 140 Watts > only between idle and load state and they get > 1200 Watts output it seems indeed a case, > where Lenz law is violated ! (the driving motor > is inefficient in this case) > > This generator also has NO motor effect ! When we start talking about motor/generator actions on the same equipment it is essential to realize the when a motor is operated backwards as a generator the position of the magnetic rotor when it delivers maximum electrical power as a generator corresponds in the same part of rotation to when a motor draws zero power in reverse application. While difficult to comprehend this simply means that these functions are 90 degrees out of phase. However in this case what is being said is that when a load is drawn from the output coil the resistive force to the magnets rotation increases, but in the inverse example nothing happens. I do not think nature makes these one way valves without some kind of further modification than is explained. > if you supply current to the coil, the permanent magnet > in the center will not rotate, cause the flux just stays > inside the toroid core ! > > There you can see, that the back drag does not influence > the mechanical rotation of the magnet ! > > Regards, Stefan. But yes again that is only the inverse side of the argument, one side of the coin. It has been shown by data that the motor encounters more drag when output is extracted. Sincerly Harvey D. Norris ________________________________________________________________ Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 4 02:40:49 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id CAA10614; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 02:38:32 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 02:38:32 -0700 Message-id: Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 10:33:49 +0100 Subject: Re(2): A Question! To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: J.F.Grant@shu.ac.uk (John F. GRANT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"6CTbL2.0.lb2.Ne0gt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11279 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: The issue of power from tethers is one which NASA has been investigating quite rigoriously, have a look at: http://infinity.msfc.nasa.gov/Public/ps01/ps02/space.html http://science.msfc.nasa.gov/newhome/headlines/ast15oct98_1.htm There are many ways of using tethers in space (see above) but the ones which activly use a magnetic field are quite interesting because they can provide both thrust and drag WITHOUT the use of any propellant - just electricity. To para-phrase rather than getting rid of the solar panels you can use them to directly boost the orbit, if you pump electricity into the tether (from you solar panels or nuclear power plant?) this then increases the replusion between the earth and your craft and you can increase the altitude of the craft. However, if you draw power from the tether the craft lowers it's orbit - useful if you want to bring a vehicle down quickly or if the vehicle has intermittent higher power requirements - i.e. when you need power you draw power from the tether (by lowering the orbit) and when the solar panels are providing an excess of power you use it to take the craft back up to it's original higher orbit. Obviously this system only works in the Earths magnetic field - I think there is very real consideration of using this system for the space station it'll be used to make fine tunings to its orbit (and generate extra electricity at times of greatest need) the savings are in the billions of dollars over the stations life compaired to lifting fuel for these obital corrections and extra power. TTFN, John.F. ************************************************* John F. Grant Research Associate Resources Research Unit Science Park (Unit 12) Sheffield Hallam University City campus Sheffield S1 1 WB Tel : 0114 225 4034 Fax: 0114 225 4496 e-mail: j.f.grant@shu.ac.uk ***************************************** "Never be angry when fools act like fools, It's better when they identify themselves, It removes so much uncertainty" Orson Scott Card From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 4 09:04:05 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA07651; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 09:01:42 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 09:01:42 -0700 From: tv@juno.com To: v.hennig@online.de Cc: harti@harti.com, freenrg-L@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 08:44:34 -0700 Subject: The Magnetical Electron Driver Message-ID: <19990804.090135.-163621.0.tv@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 2.0.11 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-4,6-7,10-15 X-Juno-Att: 0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"jz9zt.0.St1.bF6gt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11280 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Thank you for telling about your very interesting experiment. What voltage did you measure across the aluminum rod with no magnetic wound around it ? I am worried about contact potential differences because of disimilar metals. This sounds like Hans Coler and his Magnetstromapparat. Very interesting if it is confirmed to be correct but other possible causes must be checked first. Best Wishes, Tim Vaughan ( tv@juno.com ) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 4 09:07:38 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA09457; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 09:07:12 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 09:07:12 -0700 Message-ID: <19990804160613.27441.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 09:06:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Jerry Wayne Decker Subject: Re: e-mail from another freenrg list member To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"ghmKJ2.0.fJ2.lK6gt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11281 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: As I remember it, the ITS (International Tesla Society) had a newsletter called the Tesla Journal or such. When Steve Elsewicke was still with them, they changed to the Extraordinary Science name for the journal. I remember prior recommendations to JW and Steve by myself and I suspect many others that they EXPAND their reports for not just Tesla but the many overlapping areas. Much the same is going on with Infinite Energy now, with a recent letter to the editor from Robert Adams (of Adams motor fame in New Zealand) asking them to not focus solely on COLD FUSION, since energy comes in many other forms equally or moreso of interest. When Steve left ITS and moved away, they retained the Extraordinary Science name and continued on with ever increasing financial problems. The word is that Dennis Lee (of heat pump infamy) bought the remaining ITS assets for $5,000 from the bankrupt ITS, so it is possible he also got the rights to the articles and name, though that would be questionable (as with anything Lee is involved with). Steve publishes his own journal as 'Exotic Research' and his website is at http://www.exoticresearch.com/ I have urged him also to get away from the conspiracy and patriot material hoping he will move back to alt technology, looking for the real stuff, not the claimants. The gee whiz, working device claims were there for the conference...as in; WORKING ANTIGRAVITY DEVICES (probably not) FREE ENERGY FROM AIR (nice touch generic claim) Suppressed ELECTROMEDICINE (by who?) "This is particularly unfortunate (regarding inventors not having a 'credible' platform) when the invention is a viable technology with working prototypes." Gotta love that, working prototypes. Well, I realize its marketing to get people to attend and if anyone really believes they will see something that works, that they can buy or build, good luck. I've been to many conferences, wonderful events for socializing and meeting people of like interests, however, only one had a machine that actually ran on its own, not continuous in the demo environment but it did run using heat pump technology to produce mechanical rotation (Earl Sclictig as Global Sciences). Its this wide eyed, naive approach to life where we let ourselves lose it. Kind of like the 22 year old guy on Jerry Springer whose older blonde girlfriend bought him a computer. He promptly began charging cybersex calls to her credit cards. On the show he finally met the woman he'd been 'chatting' with on the net and he SERIOUSLY thought she was in love or at least interested in him. She honestly told him its my job, she had no interest and he was dumbfounded...well, DUH! Same thing for advertising, claims and hyped expectations...big grain, heck, BLOCK of salt required. ----------------- Now, now, blaming the chlorine scam all on JW of course, how convenient, how novel, how original, how easy to have your arm twisted hard enough to subvert all sense of honesty and truth FOR SALES. > J.W. calls a few days later and says that he needs > some plans shipped to him... what plans? QUICK, make up something to SELL while the iron is HOT!!! Who cares if its lies and untruth, its MONEY! > Needless to say, I printed out scores of data from > my computer, copied relevant articles and patents, > even drew up rough plans of one of my chlorine tube > experiments. Whup it up, let's see 30 pages at a dollar a page, costs about .03 per page...easy money by any terms and no one will DARE to question it cause you SAY it WORKS, so it MUST be TRUE. > Just because you couldn't get them to work doesant > mean that others have not been sucessful with them. > In fact, I gained a life long associate and friend > from those plans. You see, he was sucessful with > those plans. Ahh, back to the myth that the chlorine tube worked!!! That's why we are so swamped with reports of successful chlorine based devices, products and information on the Net and in the media about this revolutionary, 'set the world on fire' technology, and explains why you must continually jump from one thing to another...since one success begets another.........says much about what WORKED and what is hopefully the next big money maker, never mind that its only a claim....no need to have to prove it. Heard this before, but its nice to see it again for the records; > In fact Jerry, we will be offering several products > soon. Products....all more claims of free energy devices or working plans no doubt, but more likely just the usual dredge material that sites like yours rely on to gather easy, undeserved income. And BTW how long has it been since you worked a real job without having to rely on ripping people off? Let's see, this next time will it be a class action suit or just individuals....no ITS buffer zone now, so as a word of advice, THIS TIME be VERY CAREFUL in what you claim. And I'll make certain to save that products comment like the one from last year saying a working device would be shown...seem to recall a bet on that, something like a case of beer?, in my favor and of course, reneged on...have to look it up.....the history clearly shows a pattern of bogus claims and failures to produce. > What have you done for this field? Show me your > fruits! My 'fruits' do not hinge or rely on scamming personal income from lies, deception and claims of suppression/paranoia or blaming others for my faults. When I or any associates or friends really do have something that we have tested and replicated, it will be freely shared and it WILL WORK. So, IMO, its better to wait and keep looking for the REAL thing than pop up every so often with yet another bogus non-working, non proven, non testable claim hoping for more suckers to buy into them. === ================================= Please respond to jdecker@keelynet.com as I am writing from my work email of jwdatwork@yahoo.com.........thanks! ================================= _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 4 09:51:36 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA23031; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 09:49:17 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 09:49:17 -0700 Message-ID: <37A86F04.9831D7B5@harti.com> Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 18:49:08 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Dameron , Babs + Volker , Free Energy Subject: Re: Magnetic Battery from Volker Hennig References: <3.0.6.16.19990802224144.218fda9c@earthlink.net> <3.0.6.16.19990804080349.1fd7dd24@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"QkIkf1.0.id5.Dy6gt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11282 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > >Looks like this is a valid new way to tap > >magnetic energy: > > > > http://bgph.de/vh/ > > Please have a look at: http://www.tricountyi.net/~randerse/ortho1.htm and especially at the lower part of the picture: http://www.tricountyi.net/~randerse/fig3.gif The lower part of this picture could be interpreted as 5 linearly stacked permanent magnet toroids (red colored circles) (VACE), where the A-Field could generate an E-Field (DC Voltage) on the conductor (blue color) ? Is this possible ? > >You can see the blue E-vektor, which is the DC voltage. > >Maybe it just works with SPIRAL VACE elements ( wrapped iron wire > >or iron audio tape). > > > Yes, method 1 was a magnetic conductor wrapped around the wire, such as the > magnetic tape. > Please look at method 2 at the bgph.de page as well, which is the second > method (ferromagnetic cylinder), what do you think? Well, there are ferrite permanent magnets which have a hole inside them, but they are unfortunately magnetized from top to buttom. Now you could probably heat them up red glowing to more than 500 degrees Celsius over their Curie temperature and then cool them down, while you put a very big copper wire through them and have a big DC current flown through the wire. Then if they get again below their Curie temperature they should be magnetized, like Volker needs them for his MED battery... If you stack more of them each on top and have a wire through them, you will have many VACE elements stacked up producing a DC voltage inside the wire ?! Maybe this would work ? Best regards, Stefan. > -Dave -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. In. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 4 10:53:34 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA24575; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 10:51:16 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 10:51:16 -0700 Message-ID: <37A87F0E.773D@cyberportal.net> Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 13:57:35 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Power Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: More of Jerry's Hatred References: <19990804160613.27441.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"K0x8Q3.0.u_5.Js7gt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11283 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Jerry Decker wrote: > > ----------------- > Now, now, blaming the chlorine scam all on JW of > course, how convenient, how novel, how original, how > easy to have your arm twisted hard enough to subvert > all sense of honesty and truth FOR SALES. It was not a "scam." It was something that the average experimentor could build. By the way, I was lucky to make $50.00 total. J.W. had a habit of copying materials that inventors sent to him and he was racking in the money for himself. > > > J.W. calls a few days later and says that he needs > > some plans shipped to him... what plans? > > QUICK, make up something to SELL while the iron is > HOT!!! Who cares if its lies and untruth, its MONEY! The data that I compiled was a result many years of collections. People got their monies worth and more. > > > Needless to say, I printed out scores of data from > > my computer, copied relevant articles and patents, > > even drew up rough plans of one of my chlorine tube > > experiments. > > Whup it up, let's see 30 pages at a dollar a page, > costs about .03 per page...easy money by any terms and > no one will DARE to question it cause you SAY it > WORKS, so it MUST be TRUE. I recall it was about sixty pages. It was not the paper that gave the collection being sold its value. It was the time and money that made it worth the asking price. Not one person asked for their money back. However, quite a few people called me and said that they could not afford the folder. Guess what? I sent them out for free! > > > Just because you couldn't get them to work doesant > > mean that others have not been sucessful with them. > > In fact, I gained a life long associate and friend > > from those plans. You see, he was sucessful with > > those plans. > > Ahh, back to the myth that the chlorine tube worked!!! Your sick, get some help... > > That's why we are so swamped with reports of > successful chlorine based devices, products and > information on the Net and in the media about this > revolutionary, 'set the world on fire' technology, and > explains why you must continually jump from one thing > to another...since one success begets > another.........says much about what WORKED and > what is hopefully the next big money maker, never mind > that its only a claim....no need to have to prove it. We have real working devices... What do you have? A bag of hot air? > > Heard this before, but its nice to see it again for > the records; > > In fact Jerry, we will be offering several products > > soon. > > Products....all more claims of free energy devices or > working plans no doubt, but more likely just the usual > dredge material that sites like yours rely on to > gather easy, undeserved income. And BTW how long has > it been since you worked a real job without having to > rely on ripping people off? You haven't a clue... my products will work better than claimed... if a person is not happy with what they bought there will be no problem returning their money as long as the item is not damaged or tampered with. I have worked hard to provide information free of charge on my website. Alot money and long hours went into cd-roms. The Tesla cd-rom for example costed over $500.00 in research, many frustrating hours scanning in the patents, and converting them to .pdf... To boot, contrary to what you think, orders are not barreling in. These cd-roms are a tremendous service. In fact, an engineer approached me at last weeks conference and thanked me for finding these patents and making them available. Because of these patents the Tesla Turbine is becoming a commercial reality. I don't recall who this guy was but Reed Huish and Dr. Paul Brown was sitting right there. > > Let's see, this next time will it be a class action > suit or just individuals....no ITS buffer zone now, so > as a word of advice, THIS TIME be VERY CAREFUL in what > you claim. I am proud of my accomplishments. I do not think that you can say the same about yourself. All you offer is pie in the sky half baked ideas, nothing tangible. You are jealous seeing me succeed. > > And I'll make certain to save that products comment > like the one from last year saying a working device > would be shown...seem to recall a bet on that, > something like a case of beer?, in my favor and of > course, reneged on...have to look it up.....the > history clearly shows a pattern of bogus claims and > failures to produce. If I recall Jerry, Dr. Jones won that bet and it was you who failed to send him that case of beer. How many beers have you had to drink today Jerry? > > > What have you done for this field? Show me your > > fruits! > > My 'fruits' do not hinge or rely on scamming personal > income from lies, deception and claims of > suppression/paranoia or blaming others for my faults. That's a laugh... anyone can go through you Keelynet posts and see just how delusional you really are. > > When I or any associates or friends really do have > something that we have tested and replicated, it will > be freely shared and it WILL WORK. So, IMO, its > better to wait and keep looking for the REAL thing > than pop up every so often with yet another bogus > non-working, non proven, non testable claim hoping for > more suckers to buy into them. What I am doing is real and can be duplicated. What have you built? A hot air machine? It seems to be working real well. Go away! Shoo! Don't waste anymore of our time... you are nothing more than a distractor... go back into your hole! -Bruce A. Perreault From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 4 12:08:05 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA18965; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 12:05:47 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 12:05:47 -0700 Message-ID: <37A88F15.7A3964D4@harti.com> Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 21:05:57 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Free Energy , Newman-L Mailing List Subject: Testatika english translation update ! X-Priority: 1 (Highest) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ypMnR3.0.5e4.Ay8gt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11284 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi All, Mr. Hans Holzherr, who was one of the visitor removed a few bugs from my english translation and allowed me to name him, but without his email address. Here is the new update text: http://www.overunity.com/testatika/neweng.htm Have a look again. Thanks again. Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. In. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 4 12:40:26 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA32433; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 12:40:10 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 12:40:10 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990804153318.0086c630@world.std.com> X-Sender: mica@world.std.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 15:33:18 -0400 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Mitchell Swartz Subject: Re: e-mail from another freenrg list member In-Reply-To: <19990804160613.27441.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"HyGz6.0.gw7.QS9gt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11285 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 09:06 AM 8/4/99 -0700, J Decker wrote: >Suppressed ELECTROMEDICINE (by who?) Not sure what this does refer to, since there are various types of electromedicine. It is real (when done correctly) and it has been suppressed by a combination of lack of education and certain drug companies, and perhaps HMO's, who have less than full interest in curing some diseases. Mitchell Swartz From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 4 12:49:09 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA04007; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 12:48:52 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 12:48:52 -0700 From: Keasy@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 15:47:56 EDT Subject: Re: hovering magnet between your fingers To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 Resent-Message-ID: <"mJ4DN2.0.W-.aa9gt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11286 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: In a message dated 8/3/99 9:48:41 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ddameron@earthlink.net writes: > As I > slowly move it farther away slowly, the upward force decreases. It ALMOST > hovers before it falls away. I also tried one finger below the small magnet > moving it toward the neutral zone, as well as fingers on both sides. Any > other tips? How long has anyone been able to get a magnet to hoover, as suggested by Rick, before it falls down (or up)? Are we talking fractions of a second, seconds, minutes ---- ? Ken From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 4 13:03:26 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA10831; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 13:02:21 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 13:02:21 -0700 From: Keasy@aol.com Message-ID: <55171473.24d9f612@aol.com> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 16:01:22 EDT Subject: STILL looking for toroidal magnets - sources??? To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 Resent-Message-ID: <"HU8ex1.0.8f2.Dn9gt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11287 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: There has been a need for toroidal or disk-shaped magnets with the B field circular inside the magnet (VACE, magnet battery,etc). I have what I think is an interesting free energy experiment to do which also requires a couple of these magnets. The question again is whether there might be a hope of getting these magnets by some easier method than changing the polarization of the commonly available toroid/disk magnets? Any suggestions for sources would be appreciated. Ken From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 4 13:50:00 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA01496; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 13:49:36 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 13:49:36 -0700 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Red-Leader" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 15:49:53 +0000 Subject: Re: Re(2): A Question! Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-Id: <19990804155000.1df6bbdf.in@smtp.dabney.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"djltL3.0.DN.WTAgt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11288 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: John wrote: > Obviously this system only works in the Earths magnetic field - I think there is very real consideration of using this system > for the space station it'll be used to make fine tunings to its orbit (and generate extra electricity at times of greatest > need) the savings are in the billions of dollars over the stations life compaired to lifting fuel for these obital corrections > and extra power. Checked out the websites you mentioned. That's interesting. I just remember reading a while back about NASA having problems with tethered sattelites because of the electricity generated when they used steel cable. I didn't know they were doing anything with that discovery. It makes alot of sense though. Thanks for the information. ===================== Emmett Hawkins "Red-Leader" Red-Leader@Dabney.com ===================== From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 4 14:07:48 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA08328; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 14:07:26 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 14:07:26 -0700 Message-Id: <4.1.19990804170541.0097ddf0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: rymel@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 17:05:59 -0400 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rymel Subject: Re: e-mail from another freenrg list member In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19990804153318.0086c630@world.std.com> References: <19990804160613.27441.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"ATMKd3.0.022.DkAgt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11289 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: does anyone have any interesting links to information on electromedicine? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 4 14:30:42 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA05690; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 14:20:33 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 14:20:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990804170605.0094fae0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: rymel@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 17:12:37 -0400 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rymel Subject: Re: Learning Basic to intermediate levels electronics In-Reply-To: <19990804080213.64376.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"L4ddQ2.0.eO1.4wAgt"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11290 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: you should try out the kits from electronics goldmine. they have an analog and a digital learning package. personally i found this a lot more helpful than the radio shack one i tried, since it used a breadboard instead of a premade board. a lot of parts cheap too. you can download the catalog in pdf format off the website: www.goldmine-elec.com question for everyone. elec. goldmine sells a 15Kv negative ion generator for 12.95. could i use that as a source of HV, for electrogravitics? Thanks all. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 4 14:37:10 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA16493; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 14:36:32 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 14:36:32 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990804172925.01837ec0@world.std.com> X-Sender: mica@world.std.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 17:29:25 -0400 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Mitchell Swartz Subject: Re: e-mail from another freenrg list member In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990804170541.0097ddf0@pop.mindspring.com> References: <3.0.1.32.19990804153318.0086c630@world.std.com> <19990804160613.27441.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"EOuv42.0.T14.V9Bgt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11291 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 05:05 PM 8/4/99 -0400, you wrote: >does anyone have any interesting links to information on electromedicine? If you want some good experiments and technology, involving free radical control using electricity, try: "Inactivation of Herpes Simplex Viruses with Methylene Blue, Light and Electricity", Swartz, M.R., L. Schnipper, A. Lewin, C. Crumpacker, Proc. of the Society of Experimental Biology and Medicine, 161, 204-209, (1979) and US PATENT 4,181,128: Virus Inactivation Appicator and the Like US PATENT 4,402,318: METHOD OF INACTIVATION OF VIRUSES, BACTERIA, ETC. IN VITRO, AND PRODUCTION OF VACCINES Mitchell Swartz From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 4 14:55:14 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA23772; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 14:54:43 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 14:54:43 -0700 X-Sender: knuke@mail.lcia.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: knuke@LCIA.COM (Michael T Huffman) Subject: Re: e-mail from another freenrg list member Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 18:00:46 -0400 Message-ID: <19990804220046593.AAA274@mail.lcia.com@lizard> Resent-Message-ID: <"LvLh61.0.Ap5.YQBgt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11292 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: http://www.digibio.com/ >does anyone have any interesting links to information on electromedicine? Knuke Michael T. Huffman Huffman Technology Company 1121 Dustin Drive The Villages, Florida 32159 (352)259-1276 knuke@LCIA.COM http://www.aa.net/~knuke/index.htm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 4 15:11:47 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA30145; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 15:11:30 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 15:11:30 -0700 X-Sender: knuke@mail.lcia.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: knuke@LCIA.COM (Michael T Huffman) Subject: Re: Floating magnet picture - JPG, ~20K Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 18:17:35 -0400 Message-ID: <19990804221735265.AAA267@mail.lcia.com@lizard> Resent-Message-ID: <"bkGE_.0.wM7.HgBgt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11293 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >but knuke.... the oscillations are not usable in my opinion... they are just >vibration ... now if you could just harness vibration for your clock... just >think a passing truck could wind you clock???? >Timothy... Yeah, you're right. Thanks Knuke Michael T. Huffman Huffman Technology Company 1121 Dustin Drive The Villages, Florida 32159 (352)259-1276 knuke@LCIA.COM http://www.aa.net/~knuke/index.htm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 4 17:07:30 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA01615; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 17:07:07 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 17:07:07 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19990803201924.0123b690@cnct.com> X-Sender: knagel@cnct.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 20:19:26 -0400 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Keith Nagel Subject: Bruce Perrault Questions... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Cgjzv.0.3P.hMDgt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11294 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi. OK, lets all put down the flamethrowers and asbestos underwear, you said you wanted to talk about technology so this should start happening, yes???? I could start by asking a few questions about that clorine tube gadget that I ran across a while back on Jerrys site; but that seems like a bad idea at this point. It's just too hot here for more flame action... I seem to remember from your site that you've done some work with atomic batteries. Care to talk about this? Now, you seem to be edging towards the superregen type technology. Interesting stuff, to be sure, how about some discussion about your demo at Exotic Science... K. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 4 18:50:04 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA03456; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 18:49:45 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 18:49:45 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 15:49:38 -1000 Subject: Re: STILL looking for toroidal magnets - sources??? From: "Rick Monteverde" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <199908042149.SM00287@[192.168.0.2]> Resent-Message-ID: <"1Uzk51.0.vr.vsEgt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11295 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Ken - > There has been a need for toroidal or disk-shaped magnets with the B field > circular inside the magnet (VACE, magnet battery,etc). I have what I think > is an interesting free energy experiment to do which also requires a couple > of these magnets. The question again is whether there might be a hope of > getting these magnets by some easier method than changing the polarization of > the commonly available toroid/disk magnets? Any suggestions for sources > would be appreciated. > > Ken Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't an iron ring cut into segments, and some not-so-strong (incapable of saturating the iron) magnets in the cut gaps assemble into such a ring? - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 4 18:53:37 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA05947; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 18:53:12 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 18:53:12 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 15:52:58 -1000 Subject: Re: hovering magnet between your fingers From: "Rick Monteverde" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <199908042152.SM00287@[192.168.0.2]> Resent-Message-ID: <"VxQTO2.0.OS1.5wEgt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11296 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Ken - > How long has anyone been able to get a magnet to hoover, as suggested by > Rick, before it falls down (or up)? Are we talking fractions of a second, > seconds, minutes ---- ? > > Ken With jittery fingers, no more than a second or two, long enough to prove that it's stable and not just falling up or down. I think that with a finely adjustable fixture using graphite or something instead of fingers, it's basically permanent - good until the cat knocks it over. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 4 22:01:04 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA23560; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 22:00:31 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 22:00:31 -0700 From: Keasy@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 00:59:43 EDT Subject: Re: STILL looking for toroidal magnets - sources??? To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 Resent-Message-ID: <"DpSyN2.0.-l5.lfHgt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11297 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: In a message dated 8/4/99 6:50:06 PM Pacific Daylight Time, rick@highsurf.com writes: > > Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't an iron ring cut into segments, and > some not-so-strong (incapable of saturating the iron) magnets in the cut > gaps assemble into such a ring? > > - Rick Monteverde Well, I think it would approximate one, although there would likely be some nonsymmetrical field fringing in the air between the N and S poles of the magnets, so the field in the toroid wouldn't be completely uniform, but it would probably be good enough for what I'm trying to do. Thanks Ken From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 4 22:12:41 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA28363; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 22:12:28 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 22:12:28 -0700 Message-ID: <19990805051152.88504.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [208.254.227.226] From: "Timothy Flytcher" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: hovering magnet between your fingers Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 22:11:51 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"aiU8r3.0.0x6.xqHgt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11298 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: just a thought... I see the magnet like a submarine... a sub is only stable at the bottom or the top ... all the rest of the time it is either rising or descending... but it is possible to find regions were the sub rests on the top of(or under) a thermal boundary layer(also called an inversion layer)... is it possible that this is the case with the magnet??? dose temp play a roll in magnetic levitation??? or at least provide very small fluctuations??? Timothy... >Ken - > > > How long has anyone been able to get a magnet to hoover, as suggested by > > Rick, before it falls down (or up)? Are we talking fractions of a >second, > > seconds, minutes ---- ? > > > > Ken > >With jittery fingers, no more than a second or two, long enough to prove >that it's stable and not just falling up or down. I think that with a >finely >adjustable fixture using graphite or something instead of fingers, it's >basically permanent - good until the cat knocks it over. > >- Rick Monteverde >Honolulu, HI > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 5 00:23:00 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id AAA17910; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 00:22:44 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 00:22:44 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.16.19990805000840.1fb7d472@earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (16) Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 00:08:40 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: STILL looking for toroidal magnets - sources??? In-Reply-To: <55171473.24d9f612@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"7dW273.0.dN4.3lJgt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11299 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Ken, At 04:01 PM 8/4/99 EDT, you wrote: >There has been a need for toroidal or disk-shaped magnets with the B field >circular inside the magnet (VACE, magnet battery,etc). I have what I think >is an interesting free energy experiment to do which also requires a couple >of these magnets. The question again is whether there might be a hope of >getting these magnets by some easier method than changing the polarization of >the commonly available toroid/disk magnets? Any suggestions for sources >would be appreciated. > > Ken How important is it that there be no leakage flux? If not too critical, you can still try sets of two "C" shaped magnets, usually Alnico. Can you use toroid electromagnets with high permeability cores as a proof of concept? -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 5 01:42:48 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id BAA31994; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 01:42:31 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 01:42:31 -0700 Message-id: Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 09:37:30 +0100 Subject: Re(2): Re(2): A Question! To: btech@surfsouth.com Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: J.F.Grant@shu.ac.uk (John F. GRANT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"UgUNh3.0.pp7.tvKgt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11300 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: btech@surfsouth.com writes: >Could this effect be amplified to lift a craft off the earth? What kind of >design are we talking about? Could we go beyond the magnetic field of the >earth and tune into say the magnetic field of the sun and use that for >thrust? I don't think tethers could be used as they have to actually cross the magnetic field of the body being used, and although the gravitational and radiation output of the sun comes out this far I don't think the magnetosphere of the sun dosn't. In my opinion if you want to use the sun as a power source for travel around the solar system is to use either a magneto or photon powered sail which either create a magnetic field from the solar wind (using a small amount of power and fuel - 1.5 kilos of helium with 3 kW - from a solar cell will give 1 newton of pressure for three months!) or simply use light pressure to push a craft around, see: http://science.nasa.gov/newhome/headlines/prop08apr99_1.htm http://www-spof.gsfc.nasa.gov/stargaze/Solsail.htm http://www.astro.keele.ac.uk/~aa/pages/sails.html Hope you find it interesting, also check out the link from the first site for the "Light Craft" it seems a wild theory as it's a vehicle powered by a land/space based external laser, but it's a Flying Saucer!! (UFO's explained???). TTFN, John.F. ************************************************* John F. Grant Research Associate Resources Research Unit Science Park (Unit 12) Sheffield Hallam University City campus Sheffield S1 1 WB Tel : 0114 225 4034 Fax: 0114 225 4496 e-mail: j.f.grant@shu.ac.uk ***************************************** "Never be angry when fools act like fools, It's better when they identify themselves, It removes so much uncertainty" Orson Scott Card From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 5 02:25:04 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id CAA09192; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 02:24:51 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 02:24:51 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 23:24:47 -1000 Subject: Re: hovering magnet between your fingers From: "Rick Monteverde" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <199908050524.SM00287@[12.72.128.108]> Resent-Message-ID: <"N_cHt2.0.XF2.ZXLgt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11301 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Timothy - > dose temp play a > roll in magnetic levitation??? or at least provide very small > fluctuations??? No, it's from the diamagnetism in various shielding materials used, like fingers, or graphite, bismuth, etc. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 5 04:41:00 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id EAA27539; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 04:40:37 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 04:40:37 -0700 Message-ID: <37A979AB.31CA@cyberportal.net> Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 07:46:51 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Power Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Bruce Perrault Questions... References: <3.0.32.19990803201924.0123b690@cnct.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"TMdJ51.0.8k6.qWNgt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11302 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Keith Nagel wrote: > > Hi. > > OK, lets all put down the flamethrowers and asbestos > underwear, you said you wanted to talk about technology > so this should start happening, yes???? I believe that is why we all joined this list. > > I could start by asking a few questions about that clorine > tube gadget that I ran across a while back on Jerrys site; > but that seems like a bad idea at this point. It's just > too hot here for more flame action... This is no problem for me. In fact, I want to thank you for bringing up the file that you have mentioned here. I read over the file again last night and realized that Dr. Paul Brown is concept for radiant energy cells in his atomic batteries. The basic chemistry was posted on 12/15/95 in this file. The only difference is that Dr. Brown is using SiT in his cells. He uses a fairly complex process to get this material for his cells. You do not create SiT for the radiant energy cell. There are more economical ways to achieve the same end result. Here is the file -> http://www.cyberportal.net/nuenergy/coldfiss.txt Please realize that progress has been made since this file was posted. I do not use the same circuitry. Bottled chlorine gas is not used now because it is too reactive, and is very dangerous. I have added notes to this text to clarify some of the statements that are not my own. > > I seem to remember from your site that you've done some > work with atomic batteries. Care to talk about this? The above referenced coldfiss.txt contains a patent draft that outlines the basics of my work with atomic batteries. As you will see my technology is a married between an atomic cell and a chemical, primary cell. You can get more details from reading my online Research Manual. http://www.cyberportal.net/nuenergy/manual.pdf > > Now, you seem to be edging towards the superregen type > technology. Interesting stuff, to be sure, how about > some discussion about your demo at Exotic Science... This seems to opening some Nu doors lately. However, don't completely rule out the radiant energy cell yet. Combining this cell with the 500Khz. electrostatic radio receiver may provide us with phenomenal results. I have a very good feeling about this. -Bruce A. Perreault From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 5 07:08:31 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id HAA00447; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 07:07:41 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 07:07:41 -0700 Message-ID: <37A99C21.307C@cyberportal.net> Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 10:13:53 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Power Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Bruce Perrault Questions... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"TqZff2.0.u6.igPgt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11303 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Keith Nagel wrote: > > Hi. > > OK, lets all put down the flame throwers and asbestos > underwear, you said you wanted to talk about technology > so this should start happening, yes???? I believe that is why we all joined this list. > > I could start by asking a few questions about that chlorine > tube gadget that I ran across a while back on Jerrys site, > but that seems like a bad idea at this point. It's just > too hot here for more flame action... This is no problem for me. In fact, I want to thank you for bringing up the file that you have mentioned here. I read over the file again last night and realized that Dr. Paul Brown is using my concept for radiant energy cells in his atomic batteries. The basic chemistry was posted on 12/15/95 in this file. The only difference is that Dr. Brown is using SiT in his cells. He uses a fairly complex process to get the active materials that he is utilizing in his cells. You do not create SiT for the radiant energy cell. There are more economical ways to achieve the same end result. Here is the file -> http://www.cyberportal.net/nuenergy/coldfiss.txt Please realize that progress has been made since this file was first posted on 12/15/95. I do not use the same circuitry. Bottled chlorine gas is not used now because it is too reactive, and is very dangerous. I have added notes to this text to clarify some of the statements that are not my own. > > I seem to remember from your site that you've done some > work with atomic batteries. Care to talk about this? The above referenced coldfiss.txt contains a patent draft that outlines the basics of my work with atomic batteries. As you will see my technology is a marriage between an atomic cell and a chemical, primary cell. You can get more details from reading my online Research Manual. http://www.cyberportal.net/nuenergy/manual.pdf > > Now, you seem to be edging towards the super regenerative type > technology. Interesting stuff, to be sure, how about some > discussion about your demo at Exotic Science... This seems to opening some Nu doors lately. However, don't completely rule out the radiant energy cell yet. Combining this cell with the 500Khz. electrostatic radio receiver may provide us with phenomenal results. I have a very good feeling about this. -Bruce A. Perreault From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 5 10:13:35 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA31176; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 10:13:05 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 10:13:05 -0700 Message-ID: <000b01bedf66$018f9d80$b45afea9@y9g6r3> From: "atglab" To: Subject: Earths Magnetic Field Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:14:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"xprbN2.0.zc7.WOSgt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11304 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: If one assumes a magnetic field configuration (changing) as very well illustrated at http://www.in-search-of.com/frames/events/magnetoshpere.shtml then could one not assume that at a fixed point on earth with a sense coil and indicator that a VLF signal would be detected as the earth rotates, or am I missing something here ? Rex. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 5 11:10:20 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA16394; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 11:09:54 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 11:09:54 -0700 Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 20:09:43 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199908051809.UAA18273@front7.grolier.fr> X-Sender: jplentin@pop3.club-internet.fr X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jean-Pierre Lentin Subject: OT - electromedicine Cc: rymel@mindspring.com Resent-Message-ID: <"bzNjg3.0.304.nDTgt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11305 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Rymel, Mitchell, Knuke & all > does anyone have any interesting links to information on electromedicine? On my bookmarks list I've got about 200 web pages devoted to electromedicine, and I'm sure it's about half of them. A few suggestions : http://www.papimi.gr/ Panos Pappas is a physicist once active in free energy, glow discharge and plasma. As a post-doc he assisted the Graneaus in their water arc experiments. At that time Graneau, the father, recovered spectacularly from severe cancer, an effect Pappas attributed to the electromagnetic ambiance of the experiments. Now Pappas is back in Athens and full-time in electromedicine, with is PAP-IMI - Ion magnetic induction, strong magnetic pulses with bewildering claims. Don't mind the mediterranean bragging, and be sure to read Pappas' excellent history of early electrotherapy at : http://www.papimi.gr/early.htm http://www.explorepub.com/articles/energetics.html http://personal.lig.bellsouth.net/lig/i/n/infonet/Disclaimer.htm Another physicist very concerned with electromedicine is none other than Col. Tom Bearden. His rather far-fetched theory states that electrotherapy devices like Antoine Priore's plasma beam actually time-reverse sick cells to return them to previous healthy space-time. http://ns.htc.net/~trumans/ http://www.rt66.com/~rifetech/ http://home.att.net/~ralph.hartwell/index.htm Rife devices are named about inventor Roy Rife who had allegedly a plasma ray cure for cancer in the 1930's, and was subsequently driven out of business by medical authorities. The new Rife devices are being tested right now by volunteers, enthusiasts, lots of radio hams, a few MDs, even a scientist or two... Great fun. Above sites are good entries to their webring. http://www.ece.odu.edu/~emed99/ http://www.radio.fer.hr/cost244/4thebea/index.htm http://www.medmarket.com/tenants/reiddds/products/chap23-0.html Two recent congresses, lots of abstracts, and a fat book chapter. The medical mainstream science approach. With, at long last, some contributions by Russian scientists, who've been working on it for decades, in complete seclusion from the West. (Well, the West wasn't interested at all). http://kftt.karelia.ru:8101/~alexk/new_articles/index.html Wild wild theoretical musings and maths to explain effects of electromagnetism by resonance with cells or proteins.And explain anything else in physics and biology as well. Very highbrow. Happy summer reading ! --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jean-Pierre Lentin --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 5 12:22:09 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA06828; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:21:37 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:21:37 -0700 Message-ID: <19990805192203.17737.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:22:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Jerry Wayne Decker Subject: Re: More of Jerry's Hatred To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"87Knl2.0.bg1.1HUgt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11306 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I thought at first to let you have the last word, despite the numerous errors in your last flamemail, but telling me to shoo from a public list is more than I will brook knowing what you have revealed yourself to be, so when your CLAIMS or known LIES are posted to a public list, which then get posted to my mailbox, you will be called on it as many times as it takes OR until you have a CLAIM that WORKS to offset your prior chicaneries. The case of beer bet was lost by your henchman and 'believer' Jones when you failed to show yet another advertised 'working' device at yet another conference as predicted by your history. He TRUSTED you to produce it and you FAILED again. The bottomline remains that your only successes you have to date are in your mind as dribbled onto your site. On a positive note, there is a remote possibility you will somehow manage to 'aquire' someone elses information or hybridize it sufficiently to achieve something tangible that WORKS, with available protocols and instructions sufficient for independent SUCCESSFUL verification, though I doubt it... but hope springs eternal that someone, EVEN YOU, will inevitably release a true, working o/u device. Note: if the chlorine, 'nu' claim PRODUCTS or SUCCESSES work so well, why then do you need to jump to ever more claims, trying to incorporate other peoples ideas to promote your 'nu' sales? If it really worked, the logical thing to do is focus on promoting it for PRACTICAL USE. But since it obviously doesn't, you must continually seek to find another CLAIM of success to add to your 'nu' claims library, ad nauseum. It would be interesting to hear Paul Brown's reaction to your using his name as remotely related to your 'successes'. Nothing like legitimacy by association, the error being that you would dare to suggest your unproven claims are related to that of such a brilliant and talented researcher of his calibre, who is even now on the verge of an historical application that, if the DOE and nuclear regulatory agencies proves it accurate, will forever change our problems with radioactive waste. An excerpt from Wired Magazine; http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/7.02/mustread.html?pg=19 "The US Department of Energy predicts that we'll spend $150 billion to dispose of radioactive leftovers generated during four decades of Cold War weapons production. Paul Brown, a physics PhD from Boise, Idaho, says he can do it for less than a quarter of that price - without burying hazardous waste. How? Give the nukes a taste of their own medicine: Blast them with radiation. ...Brown's ultimate vision is of nuclear-power stations that neutralize their waste as soon as it's created. "I'm not an antinuke activist," he says. "I'm a realist. Obviously, we need a method to remediate nuclear waste - and ours really works." Nuclear Solutions has a website which I can't access from here or I would provide the URL. I don't see 'nu' anything being written up anywhere in the REAL or alternative media which says much for its nonexistent impact since it obviously never worked. Excluding your lame marketing self-promotion for your own gains. Your interpretation of my calling you on your bogus claims is as usual inaccurate, it is not, it has not and it never will be hatred, its simply disgust that you presented yourself initially as honest, open and trustworthy, then knowingly bilked so many including ITS and continue with an unending stream of other claims of success that also are untrue. If you had acknowledged the error and ceased the bogus claims of success, all would be well since integrity is restored as with the case of Lee Trippett and his TOD circuit. Lee did have an anomalous circuit that indicated overunity, posted the file and his results for all to see and experiment with and others got similar readings. But it wasn't overunity because it would not even light an LED or neon tube. Lee recognized this as a problem and brought this to everyones attention, yet the readings INDICATED overunity. Walter Rosenthal, using his power measuring equipment found the circuit to produce a rapid series of high intensity spikes which produced nothing approaching unity, but when using a digital or analog meter, the averaging circuit made it APPEAR to be overunity. Lee promptly reported this discovery, apologized for his error, and recommended that people not waste time or money on the circuit since it was an error. That was a wonderful thing to do and Lee earned the respect and admiration of many including me who appreciated his honesty and candor. A similar thing has been happening with the Marks toroidal device which, I am told, is apparently using a specially designed battery driven inverter to drive only an incandescent load, never an inductive load. Though no one has duplicated even this suspected technique, everything points to a scam for money since Marks won't let anyone test it, won't let anyone independently duplicate or verify it, has intimated it uses a battery, won't let it be applied to any inductive load, overheats rapidly, loses power when turned upside down (mercury switch probably to disable power) which he says could be resolved with another million, and everytime an investor demands a test by outside parties, Marks makes up another excuse or feigns illness. Sound 'nu'ly familiar???? Where Lee COULD have ramped up and propagandized his circuit to scam 'investors' like Marks is doing, the thought would never cross such a man's mind, to intentionally rip off anyone...instead, he spent his own time and money to have it checked out to find the error, then reported it openly so that all would know. This is the kind of people who deserve respect and trust and yes, even support because they are allowing anyone to verify their CLAIM by duplicating a working device. In your case, you refuse to face reality, choosing to spin and weave fantasy claims of success for your own personal income where you get away with conning people simple enough to TRUST in and BELIEVE YOUR CLAIMS without requiring any proof beyond YOUR faulty assessment and 'anonymous verifications'. No protocols, no details, no definitive independent replications, that's not reality. Even trying to use the shareware document format in an attempt to further your goal for sales...not a clue, none, zilch. But it seems to serve you well enough to garner you sufficient income so you don't have to work a real job, which, by the way, you never addressed because you KNOW you can't make it in the real world, so why even try?, preferring to scam trusting people as your sole source of income. I suspect people are embarrassed by being taken in by such claims and either never try to verify it or decide to let you win. One day, it will catch up legally as fraud and you can share a cell with Dennis Lee or perhaps Marks. So, if one of your junkmail posts is in my mailbox, whether from a list or direct, advertising yourself, your site or more of your BS claims of success or flames, expect a retort or more. Finally, you opened up yet another flame thread so in order to kill this particular run, I suggest you take your own pathetic advice; > Go away! Shoo! Don't waste anymore of our time... > you are nothing more than a distractor... go back > into your hole! === ================================= Please respond to jdecker@keelynet.com as I am writing from my work email of jwdatwork@yahoo.com.........thanks! ================================= _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 5 13:49:26 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA32115; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 13:48:57 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 13:48:57 -0700 Message-ID: <37A9F98D.43C3@cyberportal.net> Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 16:52:29 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Power Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: More of Jerry's Hatred References: <19990805192203.17737.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"F7Xeq3.0.ir7.vYVgt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11307 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Jerry Wayne Decker wrote: > <> > > The case of beer bet was lost by your henchman and > 'believer' Jones when you failed to show yet another > advertised 'working' device at yet another conference > as predicted by your history. > > He TRUSTED you to produce it and you FAILED again. The > bottomline remains that your only successes you have > to date are in your mind as dribbled onto your site. Wrong... I brought a demonstration to the April Tesla conference! This was in spite of passinmg kidney stones! I checked myself out of the hospitol the night before just to make it to that conference. Oh yeh, speaking of conferences, watch what you say to Steve... you are libel to get yourself sued for slaunder. <> > > Note: if the chlorine, 'nu' claim PRODUCTS or > SUCCESSES work so well, why then do you need to jump > to ever more claims, trying to incorporate other > peoples ideas to promote your 'nu' sales? I guess you can not read either! Dr. Paul Brown is successful using basically the same formula in his "betavoltaic cells." I don't know if he is using oxygen in his cells but if he is not then it will increase the power many factors. "Other People's ideas?" You got that reversed. > > If it really worked, the logical thing to do is focus > on promoting it for PRACTICAL USE. But since it > obviously doesn't, you must continually seek to find > another CLAIM of success to add to your 'nu' claims > library, ad nauseum. Nu spin-offs are icing on the cake. We will see who gets the last laugh. When my products hit the market place I don't want your support. Do me a favor and just forget we ever met. It is people like you that are the cause of suppression. > > It would be interesting to hear Paul Brown's reaction > to your using his name as remotely related to your > 'successes'. Nothing like legitimacy by association, > the error being that you would dare to suggest your > unproven claims are related to that of such a > brilliant and talented researcher of his calibre, who > is even now on the verge of an historical application > that, if the DOE and nuclear regulatory agencies > proves it accurate, will forever change our problems > with radioactive waste. Dr. Paul Brown has his way of doing things, and I have mine. Brown's betavoltaic cells validates what I publicly released in your coldfiss.txt back in 1995. Nothing was said to degrade Dr. Brown. I merely pointed out that my way is more economical. I also feel that my alpha fusion producing secondary fission reactions are also a better way to go for nuclear remediation. I also would like to point out that there is a respect between Paul and I. Sometime in the future I'm sure that Paul company and mine will be doing business together, irrelevant to as who's process is the better of the two. The important thing is that these technolgies get out to the everyday man and woman. <

> If you had acknowledged the error and ceased the bogus > claims of success, all would be well since integrity > is restored as with the case of Lee Trippett and his > TOD circuit. What error!!! <> > > No protocols, no details, no definitive independent > replications, that's not reality. Even trying to use > the shareware document format in an attempt to further > your goal for sales...not a clue, none, zilch. I have given out more than enough details for replication. In fact, if you had attended last weeks Exotic Research Conference you would have seen this first hand. I pointed out the falacy behind what is being called "cold fusion." Something that you are standing behind Jerry! Don't say that you are not because a letter to the magazine was published. I went on to point out an Ultra Chemistry that revealed the lies about "nuclear chemistry" that have been forced feed to us. Yes Jerry, I also gave repeatable data that can be reproduced and verified!!! > > But it seems to serve you well enough to garner you > sufficient income so you don't have to work a real > job, which, by the way, you never addressed because > you KNOW you can't make it in the real world, so why > even try?, preferring to scam trusting people as your > sole source of income. I suspect people are > embarrassed by being taken in by such claims and > either never try to verify it or decide to let you > win. Your right Jerry, the real world is full of sick people like you. I do try to avoid you kind. However, you are wrong about having a sufficient income. We have to struggle just like the next guy. If I end up making good money from products then it will be well earned. <> -Bruce A. Perreault From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 5 14:29:59 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA12791; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 14:29:35 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 14:29:35 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: euston.city.ac.uk: remi owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 22:29:29 +0100 (BST) From: Cornwall RO X-Sender: remi@euston To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: holiday Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"pg71b2.0.h73.-8Wgt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11308 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: All, Going on holiday to see the eclipse in Cornwall. Back following Friday or Saturday. Will unsubscribe. Will bring back pictures. Remi. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 5 17:25:35 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA31637; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 17:25:10 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 17:25:10 -0700 Message-ID: <37AA2C3F.2B0A@cyberportal.net> Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 20:28:47 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Power Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Last Weeks Exotic Research Conference Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"sK6Ym2.0.Ek7.bjYgt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11309 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: What did I present at the Conference? 1. Possible extraction of Storm Frequency energy via earth ground using unique radio frequency electrostatic receiver. A Solid-state device was demonstrated. Everything was in full view, nothing hidden. 2. Super-unity 1920's Speaker. The back cover was removed for all to inspect. The coil resistance was tested on a digital volt meter and static could be heard. This speaker proved that a higher efficency standard could be achieved. A motor built on its principle could display super-unity results. I say super-unity, not "over-unity" because it is not producing more out than in, it is super-unity besides a already percieved device that is apparently operating at near to 100% However, what happens when something comes along and exceeds the 100% threshold? Super-unity! That is, until it becomes the new standard and what came before it is then below par excellence. 3. The star chamber was demonstrated using specially coated electrodes. "Star-mode" was demonstated in ordinary air. It was pointed out how DaimlerChrysler has stolen this concept and has validated that our star-mode can generate neutrons with the flip of a switch in a deuterium atmosphere. 4. A NASA video was shown that depicts that the Moon does in fact contain a vast supply of Helium-3. This fuel could be burned in our star-chamber with little radiation, about a million times less than a nuclear reactor. 5. Alpha-fusion that results in secondary fission reactions was discussed. Text book equations were used to point out that we have been lied to by bomb era scientists. 6. An experimental setup was explained to reproduce "cold fusion" results. The experiments proves that the "excess heat" is due to catalytic chemical reactions. The first reaction of this nature was first reported in a 1925 issue of "The Electrical Experimenter." 7. Many transparancies were used to enhance the lectures. 8. Booklets, cd-roms, a Hubbard type spark-plug, 70's Drinking Bird, and fuel Atomizer 2000 was Raffled off for FREE... 9. The operation of the Radiant Energy Device was taken out of the Fringe closet of Science and brought out into the light of Standard Science. No land of OZ, just real science. 10. This was this best conference that I have ever attended! Many more aspects were presente... these are what I can remember right off the top of my head. Best Regards, Bruce A. Perreault From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 5 18:08:17 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA07535; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 18:07:55 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 18:07:55 -0700 Message-ID: <37AA3647.557@cyberportal.net> Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 21:11:35 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Power Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Last Weeks Exotic Research Conference #11 References: <37AA2C3F.2B0A@cyberportal.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"HPaJV3.0.er1.hLZgt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11310 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: 11. I showed a home video from the mine where I obtain my radioactive ores. I then showed step by step how anyone can extract radioactive powder from these ores using everyday items. Best Regards, Bruce A. Perreault From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 5 19:24:00 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA29222; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 19:23:34 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 19:23:34 -0700 From: MoohanDcow@aol.com Message-ID: <247d2a57.24dba102@aol.com> Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 22:22:58 EDT Subject: remove To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 76 Resent-Message-ID: <"IW5Io1.0.V87.cSagt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11311 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: remove me from the list From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 6 03:59:09 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id DAA23056; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 03:58:53 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 03:58:53 -0700 Message-ID: <37AABFF8.919D253C@harti.com> Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 12:59:04 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: leoguitar@vossnet.de Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Free Energy , Newman-L Mailing List Subject: More News about the Methernitha Testatika visit ! X-Priority: 1 (Highest) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"168xt3.0.3e5.i_hgt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11312 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > Hi Stefan, > > That is a Big update! Any idea how Methernitha came to give such a > demonstration ? ie How could one get into such a group of engineers > to get a closer look ? How come you weren't there !? > > As you may know, I visited Methernitha, but they weren't showing > anything, or even allowing the technical guys to be talked to. It > seemed to me that they wanted to destroy the technology to prevent > it falling into the wrong hands by being stolen. Mr Bosshart was > happy to answer any questions I could think of asking, but > unfortunately he is not very technical at all. Do you think that > this event marks somewhat of an end to their efforts to suppress it? Hans Holzherr, who was there, replied: I had no part in the organization of this event, but I can relate what I was told. All the visitors were members of a fraternity called 'Berna', of former students of the Burgdorf Institute of Technology. (Burgdorf is a small town NE of Bern, Switzerland). As mentioned, most of them are retired by now. Each year they have a gathering that involves some outdoor activity and sightseeing. The fraternity president had known about the Testatika for years and had had the idea of a visit with the Methernitha community which would be a surprise to most fraternity members. I have read he was turned down several years, but this year, following a very enduring 'diplomatic' effort, finally succeeded. Unlike other fraternities, the members of Berna don't drink alcohol during their social gatherings. That fact certainly didn't fail to impress Methernitha's decision makers. But even so, the fraternity's president had to submit a visitors' name list complete with occupations etc. Adolf Schneider of Transaltec, a friend of the president, would have been among the guests, along with a Russian professor of theoretical physics and an associate as interpreter. The president told Schneider to forget about the Russian right away because he would not be admitted. It turned out that not even Schneider was admitted because for some reason he is an unwanted person with Methernitha. At that point Schneider called me and offered me to visit the community in his place. I was very happy to take the offer, and the rest is history... > > Stephan, > > Could you ask the man who saw the Testatika machine, if there was ever a > load placed on it for more than just a few seconds. > > One of the people who claims that the Testatika is a radium powered > battery, told me they never connect a load for more tha a few seconds to > the Testatika because it has to recharge for short high powered output. > > Tim The 1000 Watt lamp was on the longest, about 10 seconds. What I've heard is that the machine is designed to deliver continuously, and does live up to that. At least, we were told on our visit that the machine is used to produce electricity in certain buildings and to heat them. According to Bernhard XXX, the machine is primarily used during power blackouts. > Hi Stefan, > I was wondering what the Methernitha people say is the point > of these > demonstrations. Since they refuse to tell the world how it works, why > allow a > bunch of engineers to look at it? > Did they invite the engineers? And if so, why? > > Personally, it would kind of tick me off to be invited to a kind of > 'teaser' > event like this... > Regards, > Tony It wasn't the Methernitha's idea to invite these people (see question 1). I can't imagine anybody not taking the chance to see the Testatika. Gruss, Hans ================== Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. In. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 6 08:49:44 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id IAA24886; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 08:49:06 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 08:49:06 -0700 From: Keasy@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 11:48:31 EDT Subject: Re: STILL looking for toroidal magnets - sources??? To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 Resent-Message-ID: <"oVlm9.0.l46.oFmgt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11313 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: In a message dated 8/5/99 12:22:58 AM Pacific Daylight Time, ddameron@earthlink.net writes: > How important is it that there be no leakage flux? If not too critical, you > can still try sets of two "C" shaped magnets, usually Alnico. Can you use > toroid electromagnets with high permeability cores as a proof of concept? > -Dave Some leakage flux is probably OK, but there is some chance it might matter whether the whole "toroid" is a magnet or if it is a magnet/high mu material series combinations. Unfortunately, I can't use electromagnets, because this little experiment involves virtual/amperian currents and I have to have the surface of the material available. Thanks Ken From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 6 09:31:47 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA06384; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 09:30:59 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 09:30:59 -0700 Message-ID: <001801bee043$423d5920$b41bd6d1@may> From: "Joe May" To: Subject: Re: Learning Basic to intermediate levels electronics Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 12:34:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0013_01BEE007.FB042BA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <"twMG12.0.bZ1.2tmgt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11314 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01BEE007.FB042BA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1257" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable JOE MAY IS IN THE HOSPITAL UNTILL NEXT THURSDAY THANK-YOU -----Original Message----- From: alik To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Tuesday, August 03, 1999 6:14 PM Subject: Re: Learning Basic to intermediate levels electronics =20 =20 =20 Zac Miller wrote:=20 Hi,=20 I've been subscribed to this list for a long time, I find the = discussions=20 interesting and am interested in Tesla. I was wondering if = anyone could=20 recommend a book/kit that teaches the how/why/what of = electronics in a=20 hands on way.=20 =20 Three books (actually 5) that anyone thinking about experimenting = with exotic gadgets/ 'weird energies' should have:=20 Art of Electronics by Horowitz and Hill=20 Building Scientific Apparatus (a little bit about everything: = optics, vacuum, glass-work etc)=20 R.Feyman's 3volume Lectures on Physics.=20 Another really good source of experimental gizmo information is = Review of Scientific Istruments. It is kind of expensive but most = university libraries have it.=20 Good luck.=20 Alik S.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01BEE007.FB042BA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="windows-1257" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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T= o:=20 freenrg-l@eskimo.com = <freenrg-l@eskimo.com>
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Subject: Re: Learning = Basic=20 to intermediate levels electronics

 =20

Zac Miller wrote:=20

        = Hi,=20
I've been subscribed to this list for a long time, I find = the=20 discussions
interesting and am interested in Tesla.  I = was=20 wondering if anyone could
recommend a book/kit that teaches = the=20 how/why/what of electronics in a
hands on way.
 
Three books = (actually 5)=20 that anyone thinking about experimenting with exotic gadgets/ 'weird = energies' should have:=20

Art of Electronics by Horowitz and Hill
Building Scientific = Apparatus=20 (a little bit about everything: optics, vacuum, glass-work etc)=20
R.Feyman's 3volume Lectures on Physics.=20

Another really good source of experimental gizmo information is = Review of=20 Scientific Istruments. It is kind of expensive but most university = libraries=20 have it.=20

Good luck.=20

Alik S.

------=_NextPart_000_0013_01BEE007.FB042BA0-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 6 10:46:59 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA11712; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 10:46:36 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 10:46:36 -0700 From: MKSBoysal@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 13:45:58 EDT Subject: May be a free energy secret? To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Resent-Message-ID: <"tbcop1.0.us2.xzngt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11315 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: << I was searching for some pass words this morning, and I came a cross to this statement, that was stored at pass words folder so I thought to share with you guys, you just never know ... It may help someone to find a secret formula of free energy. MKSB.>> Anything will give up its secrets if you love it enough. - George Washington Carver From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 6 14:39:49 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA18124; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 14:39:25 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 14:39:25 -0700 Message-ID: <37AB4E2B.31E3@cyberportal.net> Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 17:05:47 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Power Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Last Weeks Exotic Research Conference #11 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"3YiOO1.0.5R4.COrgt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11316 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Bill, I doubt it if I will ever get to sell anything that has radioactive material in it, no matter how little the amount. This is why the "Nu" promise of a 500Khz. electrostatic radio receiver to obtain electrical power has gotten me so excited. I am not saying that it is the answer at this point. I am merely saying that its promise looks good. It deserves a real close look. Yes, the public is certainly parnoid about anything that is connected to radioactive materials. This has been the wall that I have been facing as far as products are concerned. -Bruce A. Perreault Bill Wallace` wrote: > > Will you ever be able to sell these devices? Doesn't the NRC place heavy > restrictions on selling nuclear fuel? Until this can happen there will be > no mass consumer market for your technology. The public is so biased > against anything with nuclear or radioactive in the title. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bruce A. Perreault > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 05, 1999 9:11 PM > Subject: Last Weeks Exotic Research Conference #11 > > > 11. I showed a home video from the mine where I obtain my > > radioactive ores. I then showed step by step how anyone > > can extract radioactive powder from these ores using everyday > > items. > > > > Best Regards, Bruce A. Perreault > > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 7 07:14:59 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id HAA22631; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 07:14:36 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 07:14:36 -0700 Message-ID: <003601bee0db$b9e67360$a5da82d1@felis-catus> From: "Felis Catus" To: Subject: Re: OT - electromedicine Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 09:49:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"tGB7_3.0.WX5.Bz3ht"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11317 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Monsier Lentin: The August 22,1992 New York Times on page 34a had an article "Electric Current Disinfiects Blood".. "...Dr Stephen Kali, a gynecologist at Einstein College Of Medicine in the Bronx, has patented what he believes is a way to kill viral infections by exposing blood to weak electric currents. The basic principle is simple: electric current as strong as that used by a cardiac pacemaker will immobilize a virus but appears weak enough to leave the much larger blood cells unharmed. Thus far, the hospital has conducted laboratory tests in conjunction with Baxter International, Inc. on blood infected with the AIDS virus. The blood was pumped to a location between two platinum electrodes, and Dr. Kali said that about 95 percent of the viruses had lost their infectious ability after a six minute exposure to a current of about one hundred millionths of an amp. The chief advantage, he said is that the treatment does not appear to harm the blood itself, or have other toxic effects. Dr. Kali said that the treatment could be incorporated into something like a kidney dialysis machine, which removes a patients blood , filters out accumulated poisons, and returns it to the body. Dr. Kali and Peter M. Schwolsky, a lawyer, recieved patent 5,139,684" This is a direct transcription of the NY Times article, there is no Internet website information I know of on this. Having seen the patent, I would say the device would be simplicity itself to build. It is claimed to work with a host of other diseases. Even though it might work, would suspect that it will never see widespread use because it threatens vested interests in the pharmaceutical industry. felis catus felis@frontiernet.net. 8/07/99 -----Original Message----- From: Jean-Pierre Lentin To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Cc: rymel@mindspring.com Date: Thursday, August 05, 1999 2:10 PM Subject: OT - electromedicine >Hi Rymel, Mitchell, Knuke & all > >> does anyone have any interesting links to information on electromedicine? > >On my bookmarks list I've got about 200 web pages devoted to >electromedicine, and I'm sure it's about half of them. A few suggestions : > >http://www.papimi.gr/ >Panos Pappas is a physicist once active in free energy, glow discharge and >plasma. As a post-doc he assisted the Graneaus in their water arc >experiments. At that time Graneau, the father, recovered spectacularly from >severe cancer, an effect Pappas attributed to the electromagnetic ambiance >of the experiments. Now Pappas is back in Athens and full-time in >electromedicine, with is PAP-IMI - Ion magnetic induction, strong magnetic >pulses with bewildering claims. Don't mind the mediterranean bragging, and >be sure to read Pappas' excellent history of early electrotherapy at : >http://www.papimi.gr/early.htm > >http://www.explorepub.com/articles/energetics.html >http://personal.lig.bellsouth.net/lig/i/n/infonet/Disclaimer.htm >Another physicist very concerned with electromedicine is none other than >Col. Tom Bearden. His rather far-fetched theory states that electrotherapy >devices like Antoine Priore's plasma beam actually time-reverse sick cells >to return them to previous healthy space-time. > >http://ns.htc.net/~trumans/ >http://www.rt66.com/~rifetech/ >http://home.att.net/~ralph.hartwell/index.htm >Rife devices are named about inventor Roy Rife who had allegedly a plasma >ray cure for cancer in the 1930's, and was subsequently driven out of >business by medical authorities. The new Rife devices are being tested right >now by volunteers, enthusiasts, lots of radio hams, a few MDs, even a >scientist or two... Great fun. Above sites are good entries to their webring. > >http://www.ece.odu.edu/~emed99/ >http://www.radio.fer.hr/cost244/4thebea/index.htm >http://www.medmarket.com/tenants/reiddds/products/chap23-0.html >Two recent congresses, lots of abstracts, and a fat book chapter. The >medical mainstream science approach. With, at long last, some contributions >by Russian scientists, who've been working on it for decades, in complete >seclusion from the West. (Well, the West wasn't interested at all). > >http://kftt.karelia.ru:8101/~alexk/new_articles/index.html >Wild wild theoretical musings and maths to explain effects of >electromagnetism by resonance with cells or proteins.And explain anything >else in physics and biology as well. Very highbrow. > >Happy summer reading ! >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Jean-Pierre Lentin >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 7 12:29:31 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA20811; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 12:29:13 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 12:29:13 -0700 Message-ID: <37AC8907.EBD5DCEF@keelynet.com> Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 14:29:11 -0500 From: "Jerry W. Decker" Reply-To: jdecker@keelynet.com Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Social Responsibility & the quest for 'free energy' Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"qfXCa.0.055.9a8ht"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11318 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Folks! There is one socially irresponsible contingent in the alternative science arena who are of the opinion that free energy can only come from use of radioactive elements. Radioactive materials are restricted for good reason and government regulations against their uncontrolled, UNTRAINED use by the public is quite rational. The health risks of handling concentrated radioactive elements even in a quest for 'free energy' are simply too great, not only for the person handling them but anyone else living anywhere near them and can eventually contaminate the local environment. Can you say Love Canal or Chernobyl? Would you be willing to blight your neighborhood or community, by taking such a risk by blindly following the deranged instructions or promotions of a sociopath? People would not even be aware of exposure to toxic radiation levels until they began experiencing health symptoms that could lead to serious or terminal illness. Promotion or experimentation with radioactive elements in uncontrolled research envirnoments is unconscionable and it is a GOOD thing that the government clamps down on possession and abuse of concentrated radioactive materials because there are crazies out there who don't care about themselves or anyone else, just as long as they can extract money from it. Why care if some stranger kills themselves or their family simply by trying to achieve a working free energy machine while playing with radioactive elements? That is precisely why KeelyNet has never posted specific details or information about weapons or technology that terrorists or sociopaths could directly use to attack others or society. Well of course, anything can be adopted to carry out destruction but that doesn't mean anyone should provide plans and construction details to make it easier. Fortunately, to date, the construction details for radioactive based free energy devices have been sufficiently flawed, laughable and fraudulent as to not succeed on a public scale, however the recommendation for collection and concentration of radioactive material is still a danger that people must be made aware of. Don't buy any plans that remotely suggest using radioactive materials unless you are willing to take the legal and moral consequences should you act on them. In time, the diseased fruit of plans that promote radioactivity will wither on the vine and fade away to halt the sociopathic experimentation that risks so many innocents. For instance, as a matter of social responsibility, there have been numerous emails over the years comlaining why KeelyNet doesn't post cloudbuster construction details (among others) which are of course now freely available on the net. What if people all over the country built one of these and were attempting to either create rain or dissipate storms simply for their own or their communities personal or commercial gain? What you do affects your neighbors and beyond so it would be irrational and socially irresponsible to promote the use of such technology no matter the temptations and even more disgusting if selling the plans are involved. Why not just sell guns to teens if you are that devolved? Eventually weather control will be coordinated efforts on the part of many groups or even governments, rather than by isolated experimenters jerking the weather to bend to their will or particular pleasure of the day. Refer to the concerns of Joel Carlinksy as posted at; http://www.keelynet.com/ecology/cloudbst.htm The same philosophy and mode of socially conscious action applies to other technologies which produce more negatives than positives. Some might argue that the free release of working free energy plans or gravity control plans (that WORK WHEN BUILT) as a simple proof of principle, desktop version, will cause much havoc. That is probable, but society and the world will recover in short order without damage to health and life based on the CLAIMS I have seen (Moray, Hendershot, Coler, Keely, Hyde, Testatika, Hamel/Searl, Lambertsens WIN cells, etc.) The oil and power generation industries will be the first affected and the permutations to societies and governments will be enormous. However, I am of the opinion such technologies will not take over in one night or even one year. They will necessarily be phased in because someone, MANY SOMEONES will be building larger prototypes, testing and marketing them. It is up to not only each and every one of us but also the power and oil producers to get in on the ground floor for constructing, marketing and selling these units and maintaining/repairing them, but first we have to DISCOVER what WORKS and quit bragging or making claims without PROOF. The discoveries will then seep into all areas of society worldwide at various rates. There will no doubt be many new regulations dealing with safety concerns and UL type rating/certification of such free energy systems, flight controls for increased aerial and space craft traffic and the general overseeing of the quality, sales and practical use of such technologies. Now with this erroneous and irreponsible idea that ONLY radioactive elements will be the answer to true 'free energy', are the health risks worth EVEN THAT DISCOVERY? Does it make sense to ignore the Casimir/ZPE force, ignore the forces which make the planets and electrons orbit, ignore tapping into earth or atmospheric currents, ignore natural temperature or electric differtials in favor of radioactivity? They are certainly 'free' and certainly aren't sourced by radioactivity, so why take the chance? There are of course lots of radioactive elements but here I am concerned with the general health risks involved as well as the promotion of the use of any radioactive elements for free energy. I maintain that such blatant promotion is irresponsible and without regard for anyone's health or safety and is sociopathic behavior solely for the acquisition of money. For instance, as a matter of noting health concerns with radioactive materials, in doomed attempts for 'free energy' or otherwise, the use of even depleted uranium (non-fissionable but still radioactive) in weapons still poses serious health hazards to the military personnel handling them as posted at; http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/Canopy/8777/health.html 'Depleted UF6 (DU) is a health risk because the uranium is radioactive and can cause cancer. It is also a heavy metal that has toxic effects, mostly on the kidneys, if it enters through the bloodstream by means of ingestion or inhalation. The UF6 can react with moisture in the air producing HF, that damages the lungs if inhaled. The health affects of the DU use are staggering. They are sufficiently soluble to contaminate soil, groundwater and surface water. These microscopic, radioactive heavy metal particles (DU and daughter cells like beryllium) can enter the body through ingestion and inhalation. The ingestion of the DU accumulates in the bones and kidneys, similarly to lead, the DU is permanently deposited. The damages caused to the kidneys and tumor growths are irreversible. In pregnancy, DU crosses the placenta creating a higher risk for birth malformations because the cells are dividing so rapidly as the fetuses are developing. The DU weapons have been traced to a increase in children diagnosed with cancer around the contaminated areas. 'When inhaled the radiation from the uranium continues to assault the bodies cells and their nuclei.' ------------------- The efforts of Dr. Paul Brown as noted earlier and others like Dr. Roberto Monti are more representative of radioactive materials research which would BENEFIT rather than damage society because it is useful work being carried out by professionally trained and certified researchers who know full well the DANGERS of working with radioactive elements. Here is a scary URL about the 2000 tons per year of waste from nuclear power plants; http://www.sightings.com/health/radioactive.htm 'Every day, more than six tons of dangerous nuclear waste pile up at power plants around the country" more than 2,000 tons a year. The spent reactor fuel, highly radioactive for the next 10,000 years, has long been the nuclear industry's most vexing problem.' ----------------- This URL shows leukemia and malignant tumors as radiation induced; http://japan.park.org/Japan/Public/Hiroshima/htmleng/egenbak8.htm ----------------- This is a problem which Dr. Browns research efforts could assist in resolving. Note; Dr. Brown does not sell 'plans', Dr. Brown does not encourage anyone to remotely experiment with radioactive elements and in fact is vocal about the dangers. Dr. Brown does not sell plans or recommendations instructing people how to process their own radioactive source materials from pitchblende or other materials. Dr. Brown develops, tests, PROVES and patents his work. ----------------------- On the typical Internet bizarre level, I have seen arguments that the health concerns for radioactive materials exposures are completely inflated because the government does not want anyone to realize how easy it is to build their own atomic bomb so anytime they find a case of promiscuous abuse of concentracted radioactive materials, they make a big production out of it to further scare and escalate public concerns about the 'dangers' of radioacitivity. One fellow (Galen Windsor?) used to publicly rail against this years ago and even videotaped himself drinking a glass of radioactive material without apparent harm to him. I met him and his wife at a conference a few years ago and he didn't look too healthy to me but I did not ask about cancer or anything because that is personal information. Is it worth the risk of damaging your health, your friends or family or contaminating your local environment, whatever the reason for taking such a risk? For free energy, its not worth it since there are better sources that will do more good than harm. Walter Russell wrote the wonderful book 'Atomic Suicide' warning against the health dangers from long lived radioactive elements and there does seem to be tons of information where exposure to radioactive elements produces cancer, mutation and organ death. Again, is 'free energy' worth compromising your health or life as well as risking damage to your friends, family or local envirnonment? As the McLaughlin panel says, the answer is NO, not remotely. The formula is quite simple => NEVER < help but do not hinder. (Equal to or greater than but NEVER less than) ------------------- A radiation article in Readers Digest a few months ago, entitled, "The Atomic Boyscout" told about how a boyscout studying atomic theory was able to acquire radium paint from old clocks. (hmm, where have I heard this story before, but with radium coated watches???) He got a few hundred smoke detectors and was able to contaminate the workshed in back of his house. The government had to send in a radiation cleanup crew in full isolation suits to clean up and haul it all away. Now this boy, who was apparently very bright and simply wanting to learn has joined the Navy and is working in their atomic division doing real work of value. ---------------- So I suggest any of you boyscouts out there promoting radioactive material as your answer to free energy, grow up and try to be a responsible man of integrity, take a good hard look at yourselves and your TRUE motives (trying to get suckers money) when you are recommending to anyone that they try to collect or otherwise experiment with radioactive materials. Fine, hurt yourself if you so choose, but no one has the right to endanger others as a consequence of their uncaring activities or to promote or encourage others who might dimly think they will get 'free energy secrets' that REALLY work for a few bucks. -- Jerry Wayne Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-3501 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 7 15:08:36 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA26249; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 15:08:23 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 15:08:23 -0700 Message-ID: <37ACBCF0.B7DCCC8D@telusplanet.net> Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 16:10:41 -0700 From: D Adams X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: May be a free energy secret? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"gwx782.0.2Q6.MvAht"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11319 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: beautiful! MKSBoysal@aol.com wrote: > << I was searching for some pass words this morning, and I came a cross to > this statement, that was stored at pass words folder so I thought to share > with you guys, you just never know ... It may help someone to find a secret > formula of free energy. > MKSB.>> > > Anything will give up > its secrets if you love it enough. > > - George Washington Carver From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 7 15:20:21 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA28445; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 15:19:56 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 15:19:56 -0700 Message-ID: <37ACA92D.52E0@cyberportal.net> Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 17:46:21 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Power Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: William Beaty Subject: Re: Social Responsibility & the quest for 'free energy' References: <37AC8907.EBD5DCEF@keelynet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"rIxDC2.0.My6.B4Bht"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11320 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dear list members, This is another attempt to discredit my work. I will address the misconceptions that are outlined in this post. However, this post is littered with indirect "flames" against me. I this point I respectfully request that Bill Beaty please remove Jerry Decker from this list. Jerry Decker and myself have been warned about this type of behavior. I have no desire to having to defend myself against these types of public attacks. It is a waste of everyone time. Jerry Decker is refusing to stop his games and should be expelled from the list. Jerry W. Decker wrote: > > Hi Folks! > > There is one socially irresponsible contingent in the alternative > science arena who are of the opinion that free energy can only come from > use of radioactive elements. This is not true. > > Radioactive materials are restricted for good reason and government > regulations against their uncontrolled, UNTRAINED use by the public is > quite rational. Yes, for the good of the government, to keep control over the people. Free Energy to the people means that the government loses its grip. > > The health risks of handling concentrated radioactive elements even in a > quest for 'free energy' are simply too great, not only for the person > handling them but anyone else living anywhere near them and can > eventually contaminate the local environment. Can you say Love Canal or > Chernobyl? Wasn't "Love Canal" chemical contamination? I agree that conventional nuclear power plants are deadly. The fact is that they are even more deadly than you would care to know. The only reason that they are in place is because our military uses them to produce weapons-grade nuclear materials. They are weapon factories! > > Would you be willing to blight your neighborhood or community, by taking > such a risk by blindly following the deranged instructions or promotions > of a sociopath? Bill, this is clearly a "flame!" > > People would not even be aware of exposure to toxic radiation levels > until they began experiencing health symptoms that could lead to serious > or terminal illness. Oh, you have met someone who has been over exposed? > > Promotion or experimentation with radioactive elements in uncontrolled > research envirnoments is unconscionable and it is a GOOD thing that the > government clamps down on possession and abuse of concentrated > radioactive materials because there are crazies out there who don't care > about themselves or anyone else, just as long as they can extract money > from it. Another "flame" against my motives. So, I guess we should all go on "blindly" trusting the people who control the inventories? By the way, how much money do you think these people are bringing home each week? All at tax payers expense! How much are we all paying each month on our electric bills each month to have these people who we trust only to be producing DEADLY substances that kill? > > Why care if some stranger kills themselves or their family simply by > trying to achieve a working free energy machine while playing with > radioactive elements? Let me make a point here that I often have to make. Marie Curie exposed herself to such levels of radon gas, from her radium solutions, that would even make me Kringe. However, even this level did not put her under life threatening danger. Pierre Curie was ran over a horse drawn buggy and was killed, not by radiation! Marie being very depressed over losing her husband withdrew deeply into her work. She did not take care of herself... got little sleep, did not eat well, and finnally died from exhaustion! If anyone want to hear the truth story then a good book to read is "Madame Curie A Biography by Eve Curie." Translated by Vincent Sheen 1938. Marie Curie's daughter wrote this book and I believe she is still alive today. The radiation scare was perpentrated by atomic bomb era scientists to hide the truths from the world. This was done under the guise of "National Security." I pointed out a few atomic reactions that these scientists were not able to delete from the text books. Scientists today are contining this hoax at the expense of everyone man, woman, and child on the face of the earth. We could indeed reach for the stars if only we would stand up to these people. It all boils down to control. If we took back our lives then these, ^%$#%^*)%$@## would no longer be living off the labor of WE THE PEOPLE. > > That is precisely why KeelyNet has never posted specific details or > information about weapons or technology that terrorists or sociopaths > could directly use to attack others or society. Well of course, > anything can be adopted to carry out destruction but that doesn't mean > anyone should provide plans and construction details to make it easier. More flames! You can get weapons-grade material from a conventional nuclear reactor! Who has the resources to build a nuclear reactor? Even if you did build a small reactor you would need U-235 to fuel it. It would take millions of dollars of equipment to separate this materials from hundreds of tons of uranium ore. This is the second accuse to stop people from getting to close to the truth. > > Fortunately, to date, the construction details for radioactive based > free energy devices have been sufficiently flawed, laughable and > fraudulent as to not succeed on a public scale, however the > recommendation for collection and concentration of radioactive material > is still a danger that people must be made aware of. You just answered why a radioactive free energy device can not succeed on a public scale. Thank you! This does not mean that I will lay down and give up the fight. > > Don't buy any plans that remotely suggest using radioactive materials > unless you are willing to take the legal and moral consequences should > you act on them. In time, the diseased fruit of plans that promote > radioactivity will wither on the vine and fade away to halt the > sociopathic experimentation that risks so many innocents. Another flame... by the way, I do not sell plans, I give them away for FREE through my website! The cd-roms are of a great service. They are reasonably priced. As far as the legal end of it, you can still go out and find your own radioactive rocks, and then even process them on your own property. What you can not do is to transport the material to another location. This is why I have not been able to do public demonstrations with the radiant energy cells. However, I can still show videos. :) > > For instance, as a matter of social responsibility, there have been > numerous emails over the years comlaining why KeelyNet doesn't post > cloudbuster construction details (among others) which are of course now > freely available on the net. Yup, cloudbusters were powered by "orgone crystals." This material came straight out of New Hampshire... yup, its radioactive. :) > > What if people all over the country built one of these and were > attempting to either create rain or dissipate storms simply for their > own or their communities personal or commercial gain? Good example of suppression... > > What you do affects your neighbors and beyond so it would be irrational > and socially irresponsible to promote the use of such technology no > matter the temptations and even more disgusting if selling the plans are > involved. Why not just sell guns to teens if you are that devolved? Jerry, if everyone had guns then how many people would be shooting each other. The most recent mass shootings would had never got as far as they did. Personally I would not own a gun. > > Eventually weather control will be coordinated efforts on the part of > many groups or even governments, rather than by isolated experimenters > jerking the weather to bend to their will or particular pleasure of the > day. Yes, more government control... we are simply all too feeble-minded to make responsible choices. We need big brother to take care of us. > > Refer to the concerns of Joel Carlinksy as posted at; > > http://www.keelynet.com/ecology/cloudbst.htm > > The same philosophy and mode of socially conscious action applies to > other technologies which produce more negatives than positives. > > Some might argue that the free release of working free energy plans or > gravity control plans (that WORK WHEN BUILT) as a simple proof of > principle, desktop version, will cause much havoc. That is probable, > but society and the world will recover in short order without damage to > health and life based on the CLAIMS I have seen (Moray, Hendershot, > Coler, Keely, Hyde, Testatika, Hamel/Searl, Lambertsens WIN cells, etc.) All of these people were attacked by the same thinking as you have outlined within this very post. > > The oil and power generation industries will be the first affected and > the permutations to societies and governments will be enormous. Yeh, freedom will return to the people... gee we can't have that now. After all, it is not 1776, it is the new world order of things. > > However, I am of the opinion such technologies will not take over in one > night or even one year. They will necessarily be phased in because > someone, MANY SOMEONES will be building larger prototypes, testing and > marketing them. Oh, the beast rears its ungly head, commercialism. > > It is up to not only each and every one of us but also the power and oil > producers to get in on the ground floor for constructing, marketing and > selling these units and maintaining/repairing them, but first we have to > DISCOVER what WORKS and quit bragging or making claims without PROOF. > The discoveries will then seep into all areas of society worldwide at > various rates. I beg to differ... the oil companies should make plastics and step aside. Feedom should be restored to the people. Put into the hands of he who controls the purse strings would be no better than where we first started. People would remain slaves. We have to break these chains or we are doomed. > > There will no doubt be many new regulations dealing with safety concerns > and UL type rating/certification of such free energy systems, flight > controls for increased aerial and space craft traffic and the general > overseeing of the quality, sales and practical use of such technologies. These systems will be fail safe once all is said and done. Why will we need regulations anymore? I will tell you, to keep the noose around our necks! > > Now with this erroneous and irreponsible idea that ONLY radioactive > elements will be the answer to true 'free energy', are the health risks > worth EVEN THAT DISCOVERY? So, let's just give it up right now, right? Let's feel safe and the heck with freedom? After all, freedom is a good exchange for safety, right? "Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one" -Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826) > > Does it make sense to ignore the Casimir/ZPE force, ignore the forces > which make the planets and electrons orbit, ignore tapping into earth or > atmospheric currents, ignore natural temperature or electric differtials > in favor of radioactivity? They are certainly 'free' and certainly > aren't sourced by radioactivity, so why take the chance? My friend, the "ZPE" is the result of radioactive bombardment. This is the real world, it is not OZ. > > There are of course lots of radioactive elements but here I am concerned > with the general health risks involved as well as the promotion of the > use of any radioactive elements for free energy. I maintain that such > blatant promotion is irresponsible and without regard for anyone's > health or safety and is sociopathic behavior solely for the acquisition > of money. Another flame. My website is full of edvidence that supports the safe use of low-levels of radiation. www.cyberportal.net/nuenergy/main.html Take a close look at this study, http://www.cyberportal.net/nuenergy/hormesis.htm I would also like to point out that old uranium miners lived in their 90's and very healthy. T.H. Moray was exposed to levels that I'm sure came close to the Curies. His lab is listed as a Super Site today. Moray lived in his 80's. He wouls have lived longer if he had not got hit by a car a year before he died. > > For instance, as a matter of noting health concerns with radioactive > materials, in doomed attempts for 'free energy' or otherwise, the use of > even depleted uranium (non-fissionable but still radioactive) in weapons > still poses serious health hazards to the military personnel handling > them as posted at; > > http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/Canopy/8777/health.html > > 'Depleted UF6 (DU) is a health risk because the uranium is radioactive > and can cause cancer. It is also a heavy metal that has toxic effects, > mostly on the kidneys, if it enters through the bloodstream by means of > ingestion or inhalation. The UF6 can react with moisture in the air > producing HF, that damages the lungs if inhaled. > > The health affects of the DU use are staggering. They are sufficiently > soluble to contaminate soil, groundwater and surface water. These > microscopic, radioactive heavy metal particles (DU and daughter cells > like beryllium) can enter the body through ingestion and inhalation. The > ingestion of the DU accumulates in the bones and kidneys, similarly to > lead, the DU is permanently deposited. > > The damages caused to the kidneys and tumor growths are irreversible. In > pregnancy, DU crosses the placenta creating a higher risk for birth > malformations because the cells are dividing so rapidly as the fetuses > are developing. > > The DU weapons have been traced to a increase in children diagnosed with > cancer around the contaminated areas. 'When inhaled the radiation from > the uranium continues to assault the bodies cells and their nuclei.' I fully agree with this. "Gulf Syndrome" is a result of the mindless bombings with shells that use depleted uranium. The uranium on impact breaks up into particles of less than five microns. If anyone is interested I have a video that documents this crime against humanity. I will live this file on my server for a few days. It will be pulled thereafter as I fear reprocussions. http://www.cyberportal.net/nuenergy/du.htm > > ------------------- > The efforts of Dr. Paul Brown as noted earlier and others like Dr. > Roberto Monti are more representative of radioactive materials research > which would BENEFIT rather than damage society because it is useful work > being carried out by professionally trained and certified researchers > who know full well the DANGERS of working with radioactive elements. This is totally false. Because I do not have a Ph. D. attached to my name does not make me wrong. So, I guess it is ok for a Ph. D. to follow my work, give me no credit, then get monitary rerwards for my pioneering work, correct? So, the no name pee on has no right to make contributions, right? Two such examples of this type of theft I pointed out at last weeks conference. It is now public record and anyone can obtain a copy as proof. > > Here is a scary URL about the 2000 tons per year of waste from nuclear > power plants; > > http://www.sightings.com/health/radioactive.htm > > 'Every day, more than six tons of dangerous nuclear waste pile up at > power plants around the country" more than 2,000 tons a year. The spent > reactor fuel, highly radioactive for the next 10,000 years, has long > been the nuclear industry's most vexing problem.' > ----------------- > This URL shows leukemia and malignant tumors as radiation induced; > > http://japan.park.org/Japan/Public/Hiroshima/htmleng/egenbak8.htm > ----------------- > This is a problem which Dr. Browns research efforts could assist in > resolving. Note; Dr. Brown does not sell 'plans', Dr. Brown does not > encourage anyone to remotely experiment with radioactive elements and in > fact is vocal about the dangers. Dr. Brown does not sell plans or > recommendations instructing people how to process their own radioactive > source materials from pitchblende or other materials. Dr. Brown > develops, tests, PROVES and patents his work. > ----------------------- Dr. Brown does not have to sell anything. He is set for life. He is literally receiving barrels full of government money. I will scream from the rooftops how the "underlings" of our society can take back what is belongs to them. If it takes people processing their own materials then so be it. Yes, there are risks involved, like anything else. It is my conviction that freedom is worth any risk. The only support I have is from the people that I reach. I do this through lectures, articles, and mailing lists such as this. I have no angels handing me money. I will fight until the bitter end if need be. > > On the typical Internet bizarre level, I have seen arguments that the > health concerns for radioactive materials exposures are completely > inflated because the government does not want anyone to realize how easy > it is to build their own atomic bomb so anytime they find a case of > promiscuous abuse of concentracted radioactive materials, they make a > big production out of it to further scare and escalate public concerns > about the 'dangers' of radioacitivity. As I have pointed out, it is not easy to make atomic bombs. It would take millions of dollars to make an atomic bomb. So, if someday an atomic bomb does go off somewhere you can bet your life that it was the doings of some government agency. There are indications that the OK. bombing was such an incident. Galen Windsor had confirmed this. Now the evidence has been burried. > > One fellow (Galen Windsor?) used to publicly rail against this years ago > and even videotaped himself drinking a glass of radioactive material > without apparent harm to him. I met him and his wife at a conference a > few years ago and he didn't look too healthy to me but I did not ask > about cancer or anything because that is personal information. I know Galen personally. Yes, he did go around eating non soluable uranium oxides. He has exposed the bogus claims of how deadly radioactive materials are. I won't go into details here, this post is already too long. If anyone is interested I sell a two hour audio tape of Galen exposing the rats. Galen is getting old, he is approaching 90! What do you think you are going to look like at that age? > > Is it worth the risk of damaging your health, your friends or family or > contaminating your local environment, whatever the reason for taking > such a risk? For free energy, its not worth it since there are better > sources that will do more good than harm. Give it up! No one said anything about radiation being the only solution. If you have read my recent posts this is more than clear. > > Walter Russell wrote the wonderful book 'Atomic Suicide' warning against > the health dangers from long lived radioactive elements and there does > seem to be tons of information where exposure to radioactive elements > produces cancer, mutation and organ death. I suggest that you read some of the studies. Show me Russell's studies that will support this claim. "Put up or shut up!" > > Again, is 'free energy' worth compromising your health or life as well > as risking damage to your friends, family or local envirnonment? As the > McLaughlin panel says, the answer is NO, not remotely. I am very much against conventional nuclear technology. Conventional reactors are time bombs waiting to go off. Fuel rods are under extreme pressures. God only knows what deadly radio toxins are being leached into our soils, water, and air. All at the expense of us pee ons. > > The formula is quite simple > > => NEVER < > > help but do not hinder. (Equal to or greater than but NEVER less than) > ------------------- > A radiation article in Readers Digest a few months ago, entitled, "The > Atomic Boyscout" told about how a boyscout studying atomic theory was > able to acquire radium paint from old clocks. (hmm, where have I heard > this story before, but with radium coated watches???) > > He got a few hundred smoke detectors and was able to contaminate the > workshed in back of his house. The government had to send in a radiation > cleanup crew in full isolation suits to clean up and haul it all away. > > Now this boy, who was apparently very bright and simply wanting to learn > has joined the Navy and is working in their atomic division doing real > work of value. > ---------------- He was forced to join the Navy or go to prison! Welcome to Amerika!!! His passion killed! > > So I suggest any of you boyscouts out there promoting radioactive > material as your answer to free energy, grow up and try to be a > responsible man of integrity, take a good hard look at yourselves and > your TRUE motives (trying to get suckers money) when you are > recommending to anyone that they try to collect or otherwise experiment > with radioactive materials. More flaming!!! Look in the mirror! > > Fine, hurt yourself if you so choose, but no one has the right to > endanger others as a consequence of their uncaring activities or to > promote or encourage others who might dimly think they will get 'free > energy secrets' that REALLY work for a few bucks. > -- If it were up to you we would have no right. I am right or am I wrong? > Jerry Wayne Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com > http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" > Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-3501 > KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 Bill, please remove this guy from the list... Respectfully, Bruce A. Perreault From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 7 17:01:29 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA14594; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 17:00:59 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 17:00:59 -0700 Message-ID: <37ACC8B4.8A9A1EC3@keelynet.com> Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 19:00:52 -0500 From: "Jerry W. Decker" Reply-To: jdecker@keelynet.com Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, William Beaty Subject: Re: Social Responsibility & the quest for 'free energy' References: <37AC8907.EBD5DCEF@keelynet.com> <37ACA92D.52E0@cyberportal.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"0cuMH.0.xZ3.xYCht"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11321 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Folks! I have always had concerns about the health dangers of radioactivity and ANY claims of it as being a source for free energy or promoting uncontrolled experimentation or accumulation and handling of it. It is well documented that radioactive materials produce heat in their decay AND cause cellular damage which becomes a health issue when untrained, uncontrolled experimentation is promoted. The use of the term sociopathic is generically applied to anyone who maims or kills a member of society by their actions. Sociopathic means antisocial. Radiation maims and kills life. Isn't that true? (let's not nitpick, concentrated radioactive emanations from radioactive materials damages life processes and can result in death) People make up society. Isn't that true? Since radiation kills and maims people who are members of society, that is against society and thus sociopathic. Isn't that true? To my view, radioactive materials as a source aren't related remotely to free energy as most think of it since its use as a heat source is well documented and known in orthodox science as well as being in use in nuclear power plants. Free energy as I understand it is a device using properties or phenomena that are not well understood that runs itself and produces sufficient energy to do work. High voltage seems to be one of the keys since so many refer to its use...the Hyde machine, the Testatika, the Hamel and Searl claims, the N machine of Depalma and Tewari, T.T. Brown and others, all of which are claims since no one has been able to independently reproduce or test the free energy effects claimed. People can do as they wish and will, which is as it should be, but please do some homework about the very real dangers of radioactive materials and decide if the risks to your family and environment are worth it. That's what I am saying. I received an interesting email from an INE person saying I should be careful about saying there are no working free energy devices as there probably are, though not standalone they ARE overunity. The references given were Shoulders and Tewari. Really? It is my opinion that as long as a device MUST be connected to AC power OR to a battery, then there is great room for error, either from measurement errors or errors in calculating the powerin/powerout. Let's say its an overunity device that requires a battery. Ok, lets take two batteries, put them both in a room with one battery feeding the o/u generator which is driving a load AND keeping the 2nd battery fully charged. Now let it run for a month (or until the battery won't drive the o/u circuit and load), driving a load that doesn't instantly drain the battery. The energy that comes from the device is used to charge the spare battery and run the load with the excess. When the first battery runs down to where it will not run the circuit, swap in the 2nd battery and crank it back up again, let the o/u circuit run the load and recharge the 2nd battery with the excess for another month (or until the battery won't power the o/u circuit) Even without measurements, this should be a test that would reveal if the device is truly overunity since it would be able to recharge the batteries over and over while keeping the load running. The battery life is normally about 3-5 years for lead acid before the plates become sufficiently sulfated to not hold a useful charge. Batteries produce heat when current is being extracted though it is waste heat and lost energy. Radioactive sources as heat producers are long known and well understood and in use so any claims of it as 'free energy' as I understand it is erroneous, misleading and dishonest since it is known technology, asking the experimenter to risk their health or life as well as risk their family and environment in the mistaken belief they will get 'free energy'. Tapping gravity influx, tapping the forces that cause the planets or electrons to orbit, tapping the forces that create and sustain matter, tapping into space/cosmic energy (waves) in other words forces that consume no physical matter and do not pollute or harm life in the operation of the device, those are my hopes for free energy sources. Woops, I DID mention SOME names of living people, among them, Dr. Paul Brown, Dr. Roberto Monti, Joel Carlinsky, Galen Windsor, all of whom I have met or talked with. I invite them to complain if I unjustly categorized them. The rest of the names are people long dead so maybe they won't complain. I did not mention Dr. John Moreland who has done excellent research, much of it ripped off by others, into the REAL Moray Valve and the composition of the mysterious 'swedish stone' which was at the heart of it. The last thing I read on it, he was saying the stone was radium doped lead but I would have to ask him for an update. I did not see a complaint from Dr. Brown or Dr. Contie and in fact quoted several corrobative URLs to back up my concerns about the dangers of radioactive materials. The list rules say; 1. NO FLAMEWARS: use private email for impolite messages. If your message is the least bit angry, hostile, or apt to be insulting, do not send it to freenrg-L. Instead, use private email to send it directly to your target. VIOLATORS RISK IMMEDIATE UNSUBSCRIPTION. If someone insults you, contact the moderator. See "Flamewars" below for details. There is no excuse for trading insults on this list. As I state in the welcome-msg, anyone who easily finds justification to violate rule #1 of this forum, should not be here. ------------- Therefore, concerns about health aspects from indiscriminate promotion and use of radioactive elements for free energy production from ANYWHERE isn't outside the list guidelines. I have been on the list since 1996 and did not sign up for the purpose of advertising my products (of which I have none) or self promotion. If I have information or insight into something posted to the list, I share it, without trying to sell anything to anyone, no circuit boards, no inverters, no Tesla coils or high voltage power supplies, no special tubes or custom made parts, no capacitors or other components to purchase as woven into any kind of free or shareware plans. I wrote the shareware document at; http://www.keelynet.com/share.htm hoping it would evoke working devices to be shared as full plans that others could build and verify for themselves, to date, to my knowledge, no one has come forth (at KeelyNet or anywhere else using the true non-sales shareware format) with a working device willing to trust their plans to the document and letting the feedback prove the validity of the claim. I don't seek an audience for my products (because I have none), website or personal income. I work Mon-Fri 45 hours per week to pay my bills. Anyone who takes offense when an email is posted that remotely involves a subject they might be interested or involved in, then suggests or states outright it was directed at them is simply paranoid. Asking that the poster be removed for it is out of bounds and unwarranted. How many people here are signed up for free energy? How many have been here more than a year? Does that mean that everyone would take offense if I said 'free energy isn't real' or that slammed Hamel, Searl, Tesla (my god, NOT TESLA) or any other subject that they felt close to? Radiation and free energy and even their linking is public information and doesn't refer to any single person or group. No one owns the field of either subject and therefore no one should take offense from a post relating to the subject. My generic concerns were taken as a personal insult when they were not as I would have specifically named anyone I meant as with the other names in the list of living people, most on the net, and some who might subscribe here. The resultant barrage was indeed targeted flames as specified in the list guidelines. Even then, I would never suggest that someone else be removed from this list because they brought up a subject that someone else might be touchy about for unknown reasons. -- Jerry Wayne Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-3501 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 7 17:32:41 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA22026; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 17:32:23 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 17:32:23 -0700 Message-ID: <37ACC840.3DA1@cyberportal.net> Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 19:58:56 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Power Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com CC: William Beaty Subject: Re: Social Responsibility & the quest for 'free energy' References: <37AC8907.EBD5DCEF@keelynet.com> <37ACA92D.52E0@cyberportal.net> <37ACC8B4.8A9A1EC3@keelynet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"BWBuD3.0._N5.M0Dht"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11322 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Bill, Decker is in clear violation of the "flaming" rule. He has used several words and comments that is clearly flames. He has made several comments against my character. Even though he has not used my name everyone knows who this attack is targeted against. I am being very careful not to engage in Decker's flaming activities. Decker has warned me not to send him e-mails to his address. However, he persists in sending me very rude and threatening e-mails. You have seen my rebutal in regards to my previous post. I tire of constantly defending what I know to be the truth. As for the mention of Dr. John Moreland, without being guilty of flaming, I direct the reader to, http://www.cyberportal.net/nuenergy/alloy.pdf John had signed a non-disclosure with me back in 1996. The notorized paper in the above link will show that I had concieved this formula way before I met John. I also have documents in my possession that will prove that Dr. John Moreland had a personal relationship with Dr. Paul Brown. I will not go into further detail because this is not the place for it. It is my sincere desire to contribute my years of research with this list. I do not see this happening id Jerry is allowed to remain on this list. -Bruce A. Perreault Jerry W. Decker wrote: > > Hi Folks! > > I have always had concerns about the health dangers of radioactivity and > ANY claims of it as being a source for free energy or promoting > uncontrolled experimentation or accumulation and handling of it. > > It is well documented that radioactive materials produce heat in their > decay AND cause cellular damage which becomes a health issue when > untrained, uncontrolled experimentation is promoted. > > The use of the term sociopathic is generically applied to anyone who > maims or kills a member of society by their actions. Sociopathic means > antisocial. > > Radiation maims and kills life. Isn't that true? > (let's not nitpick, concentrated radioactive emanations from radioactive > materials damages life processes and can result in death) > > People make up society. Isn't that true? > > Since radiation kills and maims people who are members of society, that > is against society and thus sociopathic. Isn't that true? > > To my view, radioactive materials as a source aren't related remotely to > free energy as most think of it since its use as a heat source is well > documented and known in orthodox science as well as being in use in > nuclear power plants. > > Free energy as I understand it is a device using properties or phenomena > that are not well understood that runs itself and produces sufficient > energy to do work. High voltage seems to be one of the keys since so > many refer to its use...the Hyde machine, the Testatika, the Hamel and > Searl claims, the N machine of Depalma and Tewari, T.T. Brown and > others, all of which are claims since no one has been able to > independently reproduce or test the free energy effects claimed. > > People can do as they wish and will, which is as it should be, but > please do some homework about the very real dangers of radioactive > materials and decide if the risks to your family and environment are > worth it. That's what I am saying. > > I received an interesting email from an INE person saying I should be > careful about saying there are no working free energy devices as there > probably are, though not standalone they ARE overunity. > > The references given were Shoulders and Tewari. > > Really? It is my opinion that as long as a device MUST be connected to > AC power OR to a battery, then there is great room for error, either > from measurement errors or errors in calculating the powerin/powerout. > > Let's say its an overunity device that requires a battery. Ok, lets > take two batteries, put them both in a room with one battery feeding the > o/u generator which is driving a load AND keeping the 2nd battery fully > charged. > > Now let it run for a month (or until the battery won't drive the o/u > circuit and load), driving a load that doesn't instantly drain the > battery. The energy that comes from the device is used to charge the > spare battery and run the load with the excess. > > When the first battery runs down to where it will not run the circuit, > swap in the 2nd battery and crank it back up again, let the o/u circuit > run the load and recharge the 2nd battery with the excess for another > month (or until the battery won't power the o/u circuit) > > Even without measurements, this should be a test that would reveal if > the device is truly overunity since it would be able to recharge the > batteries over and over while keeping the load running. The battery > life is normally about 3-5 years for lead acid before the plates become > sufficiently sulfated to not hold a useful charge. > > Batteries produce heat when current is being extracted though it is > waste heat and lost energy. Radioactive sources as heat producers are > long known and well understood and in use so any claims of it as 'free > energy' as I understand it is erroneous, misleading and dishonest since > it is known technology, asking the experimenter to risk their health or > life as well as risk their family and environment in the mistaken belief > they will get 'free energy'. > > Tapping gravity influx, tapping the forces that cause the planets or > electrons to orbit, tapping the forces that create and sustain matter, > tapping into space/cosmic energy (waves) in other words forces that > consume no physical matter and do not pollute or harm life in the > operation of the device, those are my hopes for free energy sources. > > Woops, I DID mention SOME names of living people, among them, Dr. Paul > Brown, Dr. Roberto Monti, Joel Carlinsky, Galen Windsor, all of whom I > have met or talked with. I invite them to complain if I unjustly > categorized them. The rest of the names are people long dead so maybe > they won't complain. > > I did not mention Dr. John Moreland who has done excellent research, > much of it ripped off by others, into the REAL Moray Valve and the > composition of the mysterious 'swedish stone' which was at the heart of > it. The last thing I read on it, he was saying the stone was radium > doped lead but I would have to ask him for an update. > > I did not see a complaint from Dr. Brown or Dr. Contie and in fact > quoted several corrobative URLs to back up my concerns about the dangers > of radioactive materials. > > The list rules say; > > 1. NO FLAMEWARS: use private email for impolite messages. If your > message is the least bit angry, hostile, or apt to be insulting, do > not send it to freenrg-L. Instead, use private email to send it > directly to your target. VIOLATORS RISK IMMEDIATE UNSUBSCRIPTION. > If someone insults you, contact the moderator. See "Flamewars" > below for details. > > There is no excuse for trading insults on this list. As I state in the > welcome-msg, anyone who easily finds justification to violate rule #1 of > this forum, should not be here. > ------------- > Therefore, concerns about health aspects from indiscriminate promotion > and use of radioactive elements for free energy production from ANYWHERE > isn't outside the list guidelines. > > I have been on the list since 1996 and did not sign up for the purpose > of advertising my products (of which I have none) or self promotion. > > If I have information or insight into something posted to the list, I > share it, without trying to sell anything to anyone, no circuit boards, > no inverters, no Tesla coils or high voltage power supplies, no special > tubes or custom made parts, no capacitors or other components to > purchase as woven into any kind of free or shareware plans. > > I wrote the shareware document at; > > http://www.keelynet.com/share.htm > > hoping it would evoke working devices to be shared as full plans that > others could build and verify for themselves, to date, to my knowledge, > no one has come forth (at KeelyNet or anywhere else using the true > non-sales shareware format) with a working device willing to trust their > plans to the document and letting the feedback prove the validity of the > claim. > > I don't seek an audience for my products (because I have none), website > or personal income. I work Mon-Fri 45 hours per week to pay my bills. > > Anyone who takes offense when an email is posted that remotely involves > a subject they might be interested or involved in, then suggests or > states outright it was directed at them is simply paranoid. > > Asking that the poster be removed for it is out of bounds and > unwarranted. > > How many people here are signed up for free energy? How many have been > here more than a year? Does that mean that everyone would take offense > if I said 'free energy isn't real' or that slammed Hamel, Searl, Tesla > (my god, NOT TESLA) or any other subject that they felt close to? > > Radiation and free energy and even their linking is public information > and doesn't refer to any single person or group. > > No one owns the field of either subject and therefore no one should take > offense from a post relating to the subject. > > My generic concerns were taken as a personal insult when they were not > as I would have specifically named anyone I meant as with the other > names in the list of living people, most on the net, and some who might > subscribe here. > > The resultant barrage was indeed targeted flames as specified in the > list guidelines. Even then, I would never suggest that someone else be > removed from this list because they brought up a subject that someone > else might be touchy about for unknown reasons. > -- > Jerry Wayne Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com > http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" > Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-3501 > KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 7 17:44:41 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA25557; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 17:44:28 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 17:44:28 -0700 Message-ID: <37ACD277.EDC9EC60@keelynet.com> Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 19:42:32 -0500 From: "Jerry W. Decker" Reply-To: jdecker@keelynet.com Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net, freenrg-l@eskimo.com, William Beaty Subject: Re: Social Responsibility & the quest for 'free energy' References: <37AC8907.EBD5DCEF@keelynet.com> <37ACA92D.52E0@cyberportal.net> <37ACC8B4.8A9A1EC3@keelynet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Y3yX5.0.EF6.iBDht"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11323 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Bill et al! I wonder how many people are on the freenrg list and how long they have been here? I subscribed back around 1996, maybe a bit earlier but had changed addresses so it might show as a bit later. Every now and then there is a post with either some cool information or a new URL, sometimes a new theory and a few times an experiment or two as with Jean Naudin. I found some other thoughts on how free energy would affect society and the world which might be of interest; ---------------- Bruce Depalma on the social implications of working free energy devices; http://depalma.pair.com/Absurdity/Absurdity04/FreeEnergyImplications.html ---------------- information about growing energy needs in the US; http://www.padrak.com/ine/NEN_6_9_10.html -- Jerry Wayne Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-3501 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 7 18:05:13 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA30198; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 18:04:54 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 18:04:54 -0700 Message-ID: <37ACD7AA.25680AF2@keelynet.com> Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 20:04:42 -0500 From: "Jerry W. Decker" Reply-To: jdecker@keelynet.com Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net CC: freenrg-L@eskimo.com, William Beaty Subject: Re: Social Responsibility & the quest for 'free energy' References: <37AC8907.EBD5DCEF@keelynet.com> <37ACA92D.52E0@cyberportal.net> <37ACC8B4.8A9A1EC3@keelynet.com> <37ACC840.3DA1@cyberportal.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"YZMRl3.0.hN7.sUDht"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11324 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Geez, tried to do the right thing...and he does it again. I posted the above thread specifically delineating radioactivity and cloudbusting as examples of my concerns for free energy and alt science distortions that can negatively affect many. It was not a flame and did not target any person or group, only a subject. It resulted in a flame to which I refused to respond. I did not post a flame nor have I responded in anyway in this thread after emailing Bill that I would cease responding to the flames originally directed at me publicly. Now, after all that he's at it again and insisting I be removed from the list. The following is untrue and cannot go uncorrected. This was posted to the list; > Decker has warned me not to send him e-mails to his address. That is true based on a an intended repeat of the deluge of uninvited insulting and defamatory emails received from you a year ago. > However, he persists in sending me very rude and threatening e-mails. That is untrue, post them publicly or do not refer to that which again cannot be proven because it is untrue. My last post to the above email address was a response to your uninvited insulting emails because I won't support your claims...at that time, I responded by again putting you on notice that your ISP would be contacted AGAIN if you continued to harass my mailbox against my wishes. The last time, you nearly got kicked off your own ISP, so you stopped immediately and you never heard from me again. That is the last email I sent you and it was a warning to stop. You started up again recently. So this statement made on a public list is untrue and needs to be corrected. I did not start this flamewar from day one, nor for this thread as the emails clearly show on all, nor have I responded in kind on this thread....but to state a lie that goes unchallenged? Provide the proof. -- Jerry Wayne Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-3501 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 7 18:38:10 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA03688; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 18:37:54 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 18:37:54 -0700 Message-ID: <37ACDF69.1663737@keelynet.com> Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 20:37:45 -0500 From: "Jerry W. Decker" Reply-To: jdecker@keelynet.com Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, William Beaty Subject: Re: Social Responsibility & the quest for 'free energy' References: <37AC8907.EBD5DCEF@keelynet.com> <37ACA92D.52E0@cyberportal.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"upyAe.0.Xv.ozDht"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11325 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Some quotes of interest, along the lines of Tesla Speaks, not anything I said; > It is my sincere desire to contribute my years of research with this > list. > The only (financial) support I have is from the people that I reach. > I do this through lectures, articles, and mailing lists such as this. > I agree that conventional nuclear power plants are deadly. The fact > is that they are even more deadly than you would care to know. > How much are we all paying each month on our electric bills each > month to have these people who we trust only to be producing DEADLY > substances that kill? > If we took back our lives then these, ^%$#%^*)%$@## would no longer > be living off the labor of WE THE PEOPLE. > I do not sell plans, I give them away for FREE through my website! > The cd-roms are of a great service. They are reasonably priced. > If anyone is interested I sell a two hour audio tape of Galen > exposing the rats. > Oh, the beast rears its ungly head, commercialism. > This is why I have not been able to do public demonstrations with > the radiant energy cells. > This is the real world, it is not OZ. > It will be pulled thereafter as I fear reprocussions. > If it takes people processing their own materials then so be it. > Yes, there are risks involved, like anything else. It is my > conviction that freedom is worth any risk. > God only knows what deadly radio toxins are being leached into our > soils, water, and air. > I am right or am I wrong? -- Jerry Wayne Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-3501 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 7 18:45:51 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA06267; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 18:45:33 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 18:45:33 -0700 Message-ID: <37ACD967.4273@cyberportal.net> Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 21:12:07 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Power Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com CC: William Beaty Subject: Re: Social Responsibility & the quest for 'free energy' References: <37AC8907.EBD5DCEF@keelynet.com> <37ACA92D.52E0@cyberportal.net> <37ACC8B4.8A9A1EC3@keelynet.com> <37ACC840.3DA1@cyberportal.net> <37ACD7AA.25680AF2@keelynet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"HH3S21.0.oX1.y4Eht"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11326 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Jerry, I am now asking you to cease these types of posts. Only you can not see your posts as flaming. Everyone of this lisy knows who you are targeting. They are not stupid or as gullable as you seem to think. If anyone here wishes proof of your most recent rude e-mail addressed to me from you I will gladly forward it to them. However, I will not post it here as requested by Bill not to engage in your flame war. I have refraned from insueing insults against you. I have only posted factual edvidence to make my case. If anyone feels that I am wrong please send an e-mail to Bill. If on the other hand you feel that I am the victum here please ask Bill to have Decker removed from this list. -Best Regards. Jerry W. Decker wrote: > > Geez, tried to do the right thing...and he does it again. > > I posted the above thread specifically delineating radioactivity and > cloudbusting as examples of my concerns for free energy and alt science > distortions that can negatively affect many. > > It was not a flame and did not target any person or group, only a > subject. > > It resulted in a flame to which I refused to respond. > > I did not post a flame nor have I responded in anyway in this thread > after emailing Bill that I would cease responding to the flames > originally directed at me publicly. > > Now, after all that he's at it again and insisting I be removed from the > list. > > The following is untrue and cannot go uncorrected. > > This was posted to the list; > > > Decker has warned me not to send him e-mails to his address. > > That is true based on a an intended repeat of the deluge of uninvited > insulting and defamatory emails received from you a year ago. > > > However, he persists in sending me very rude and threatening e-mails. > > That is untrue, post them publicly or do not refer to that which again > cannot be proven because it is untrue. > > My last post to the above email address was a response to your uninvited > insulting emails because I won't support your claims...at that time, I > responded by again putting you on notice that your ISP would be > contacted AGAIN if you continued to harass my mailbox against my wishes. > > The last time, you nearly got kicked off your own ISP, so you stopped > immediately and you never heard from me again. That is the last email I > sent you and it was a warning to stop. You started up again recently. > > So this statement made on a public list is untrue and needs to be > corrected. > > I did not start this flamewar from day one, nor for this thread as the > emails clearly show on all, nor have I responded in kind on this > thread....but to state a lie that goes unchallenged? Provide the proof. > -- > Jerry Wayne Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com > http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" > Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-3501 > KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 7 18:51:33 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA07989; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 18:51:17 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 18:51:17 -0700 Message-ID: <37ACDAC0.6DD6@cyberportal.net> Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 21:17:52 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Power Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: William Beaty Subject: Re: Social Responsibility & the quest for 'free energy' References: <37AC8907.EBD5DCEF@keelynet.com> <37ACA92D.52E0@cyberportal.net> <37ACDF69.1663737@keelynet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"oWWA32.0.jy1.LAEht"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11327 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: To list members, These are all taking out of content. At this point I am asking list members to please write to Bill Beaty and lodge a compliant. Thanks for your support. -Bruce A. Perreault Jerry W. Decker wrote: > > Some quotes of interest, along the lines of Tesla Speaks, not anything I > said; > > > It is my sincere desire to contribute my years of research with this > > list. > > > The only <(financial) support I have is > > from the people that I reach. > > I do this through lectures, articles, and mailing lists such as this. > > > I agree that conventional nuclear power plants are deadly. The fact > > is that they are even more deadly than you would care to know. > > > How much are we all paying each month on our electric bills each > > month to have these people who we trust only to be producing DEADLY > > substances that kill? > > > If we took back our lives then these, ^%$#%^*)%$@## would no longer > > be living off the labor of WE THE PEOPLE. > > > I do not sell plans, I give them away for FREE through my website! > > The cd-roms are of a great service. They are reasonably priced. > > > If anyone is interested I sell a two hour audio tape of Galen > > exposing the rats. > > > Oh, the beast rears its ungly head, commercialism. > > > This is why I have not been able to do public demonstrations with > > the radiant energy cells. > > > This is the real world, it is not OZ. > > > It will be pulled thereafter as I fear reprocussions. > > > If it takes people processing their own materials then so be it. > > Yes, there are risks involved, like anything else. It is my > > conviction that freedom is worth any risk. > > > God only knows what deadly radio toxins are being leached into our > > soils, water, and air. > > > I am right or am I wrong? > -- > Jerry Wayne Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com > http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" > Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-3501 > KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 7 18:56:59 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA09140; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 18:56:39 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 18:56:39 -0700 Message-ID: <002a01bee141$3b0d3e00$8e5cadd1@default> From: "Jim Shaffer, Jr." To: Subject: Re: Social Responsibility & the quest for 'free energy' Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 21:56:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"osJyE3.0.fE2.NFEht"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11328 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >> For instance, as a matter of social responsibility, there have been >> numerous emails over the years comlaining why KeelyNet doesn't post >> cloudbuster construction details (among others) which are of course now >> freely available on the net. > > >Yup, cloudbusters were powered by "orgone crystals." This material >came straight out of New Hampshire... yup, its radioactive. :) A *basic* cloudbuster isn't powered by anything, it's a passive device. I think I've even figured out how to explain it without invoking any "new" energy such as "orgone", but that'll have to wait for another time. Yes, Reich did try putting slightly radioactive material he called "ORUR" (not "orgone crystals") in a cloudbuster and found that it greatly intensified the effect. But this material had been somehow transmuted by exposure to a strong orgone field in Reich's lab in Maine (not New Hampshire). The transmutation process nearly killed him and his assistants, did kill all the plant life around his lab, and even caused the surface of the rocks to disintegrate! (He didn't expect this. He thought the orgone would neutralize the radioactivity. It *eventually* did, but possibly by *intensifying* the decay process.) In short, do *not* put radioactive material in your cloudbuster! -- Secretary, Williamsport Area Computer Club Member, Susquehanna Valley Amateur Astronomers Personal Home Page: http://woodstock.csrlink.net/~jshaffer From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 7 19:24:16 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA15080; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 19:23:52 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 19:23:52 -0700 Message-ID: <37ACE262.6877@cyberportal.net> Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 21:50:26 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Power Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Social Responsibility & the quest for 'free energy' References: <002a01bee141$3b0d3e00$8e5cadd1@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ieWUi3.0.Wh3.teEht"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11329 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Jim Shaffer, Jr. wrote: > > >> For instance, as a matter of social responsibility, there have been > >> numerous emails over the years comlaining why KeelyNet doesn't post > >> cloudbuster construction details (among others) which are of course now > >> freely available on the net. > > > > > >Yup, cloudbusters were powered by "orgone crystals." This material > >came straight out of New Hampshire... yup, its radioactive. :) > > A *basic* cloudbuster isn't powered by anything, it's a passive device. I think > I've even figured out how to explain it without invoking any "new" energy such > as "orgone", but that'll have to wait for another time. It can be powered by a steam of moving water. The cables were placed in the moving stream. The tubes draw in radon gas from the air due to this draft. There is no moving streams where the laboratory sits. Reich had to use "orgone crystals." There are three types... Melanor, Brownite, and Orite. These materials were obtained from N.H. Yes, the laboratory is in Rangely, Maine. I have documents that show how to prepare these materials. > > Yes, Reich did try putting slightly radioactive material he called "ORUR" (not > "orgone crystals") in a cloudbuster and found that it greatly intensified the > effect. "ORANUR" = OR (orgone) "A" (and) NUR (nuclear radiation) yields the ORANUR EFFECT. This is in Reich's First Report 1947-1951. It is when orgone energy fights nuclear radiation. This effect will neutralize radioactive materials. The side effect of these experiment made a person become immune to radiation poision. Reich tryed to give this to the government and this is when he was brought to court and all of his books were odered burned. > > But this material had been somehow transmuted by exposure to a strong > orgone field in Reich's lab in Maine (not New Hampshire). The transmutation > process nearly killed him and his assistants, did kill all the plant life around > his lab, and even caused the surface of the rocks to disintegrate! (He didn't > expect this. He thought the orgone would neutralize the radioactivity. It > *eventually* did, but possibly by *intensifying* the decay process.) The laboratory outside walls collected radon and the radon decayied to lead-210. Reich did not know this. The lead-210 eat at the rocks. This material made people at the lab very sick. The radon accumulation had to take place because the inside walls of the laboratory were lined with sheet metal. This acted like a huge capacitor plate. Orgone energy is a type of "K-capture" and this draws in postively charged radon and alpha particles. So, yes, fission resulted from the ORANUR EFFECT. This was something that the military did not want to get out. I suspect that this is still the case today. > > In short, do *not* put radioactive material in your cloudbuster! I agree! Reich even warned not to do this. The cloudbuster effects are intense when the orgone crystals are used. These should not be used in combination with the cloudbuster unless you have first mastered the cloudbuster powered by a moving stream of water. -Bruce A. Perreault From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 7 19:27:47 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA15972; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 19:27:28 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 19:27:28 -0700 Message-ID: <37ACE33E.2266@cyberportal.net> Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 21:54:06 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Power Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mitchell Swartz CC: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Social Responsibility & the quest for 'free energy' References: <37AC8907.EBD5DCEF@keelynet.com> <37ACA92D.52E0@cyberportal.net> <37ACC8B4.8A9A1EC3@keelynet.com> <37ACC840.3DA1@cyberportal.net> <37ACD7AA.25680AF2@keelynet.com> <3.0.1.32.19990807214430.0087c3c0@world.std.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"BhGC91.0.Tv3.FiEht"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11330 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > > He is upset about purported radiation of your devices. > What isotopes and what activities do you use? At the momment I am using uranium ores with about 6,000 counts per minute. The end products are "dirty" and in higher concentrations would pose a contamination problem. However, commercial products could use thorium as the source. This would be "clean" and there would not be a concern. -BAP From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 7 19:33:19 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA17551; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 19:32:54 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 19:32:54 -0700 Message-ID: <37ACEC48.DA86B4E7@keelynet.com> Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 21:32:40 -0500 From: "Jerry W. Decker" Reply-To: jdecker@keelynet.com Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Social Responsibility & the quest for 'free energy' References: <002a01bee141$3b0d3e00$8e5cadd1@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"2Xj9t3.0.2I4.MnEht"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11331 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Jim et al! I didn't say anything about yet another error in the 'orgone crystals' statement because it would just provoke another flame. Trying to get to some discussion here that deals with reality or at least clearly ideas, without any kind of flame response so your rational comment was very welcome. You are absolutely correct about cloudbusters not being powered, at least no designs I've seen. Trevor Constable designed that strange contraption he calls the 'Black Widow' and by now, he must have other designs. Some friends from Europe passing through Dallas a few years ago showed me the videotape from Borlands about Constables experiments on his ocean voyage from LA to Hawaii. It was amazing...I think there were two of these things, that looked like Gemini capsules....they were covered at the start of the cruise. The video shows clear skies and radar showed the same thing for many miles. When he uncapped the black widows, it was about 40 minutes that the sky started hazing up and soon droplets splattered against the window the camera was aimed out of...they had a time elapsed indication and had speeded it up so you could clearly see the formation of clouds and the rain...by the time an hour had elapsed, it was raining very hard and they were in a storm. Quite a video and it should still be available from Borderlands at; http://www.borderlands.com for about $30 I think, haven't priced them lately. And thanks for stating the warning about using radioactive ANYTHING with orgone type devices due to the DOR (destructive orgone) that Reich claimed was released. Some people might not know about that and it is very important when carrying out any operation involving orgone energy. >From the descriptions of Reich and his students, it was like something out of Batman or a Charles Addams picture, everything gray, gloomy and dead looking, no birds, no insects, no indication of life or health over the entire valley around the lab. Wonder how the neighbors thought about that mysterious turn of the weather? Wonder if Reich ever told them what caused this malaise? He also warns about repeated draws because it will setup a kind of sustained suction or inertial roiling the aether that will continue to draw and precipitate moisture long after the operation has been closed down. I understand Constable consulted with the government of Singapore to relieve a drought condition and caused a month long monsoon that he could not stop, so they ran him out of the country. The rain eventually stopped but the damage to property and life was quite extensive. I don't know this to be true, thats what the guys from Europe told me after we watched the videotape. Maybe someone could clarify if that is incorrect? One final comment, Dean and Mary Hardy were once involved with a group who believed that a pyramid and an obelisk could be so constructed as to be 'tuned' to each other despite being separated over distance. They claim to have set up several networks of these devices to redirect the weather for the most beneficial pattern when the Russian Woodpecker signals and other Russian scalar transmissions were supposed to be screwing up the weather. Mary and Dean call the energy conduits between these tuned structures, 'Standing Columnar Waves' and say they react with orgone/aether/zpe (your choice of term) to redirect the flows. There is something intriguing going on between tuned structures where an energy conduit does appear to form. The best measuring system I've yet seen for it is the electronic dowsing rods used with the molecular frequency discriminator. Some of us have tested this with conflicting results. But that's another story..... -- Jerry Wayne Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-3501 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 7 19:36:33 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA19492; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 19:36:20 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 19:36:20 -0700 Message-ID: <37ACED25.639749CE@keelynet.com> Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 21:36:21 -0500 From: "Jerry W. Decker" Reply-To: jdecker@keelynet.com Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net CC: freenrg-L@eskimo.com, William Beaty Subject: Re: Social Responsibility & the quest for 'free energy' References: <37AC8907.EBD5DCEF@keelynet.com> <37ACA92D.52E0@cyberportal.net> <37ACC8B4.8A9A1EC3@keelynet.com> <37ACC840.3DA1@cyberportal.net> <37ACD7AA.25680AF2@keelynet.com> <37ACD967.4273@cyberportal.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"wvX9X2.0.Om4.aqEht"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11332 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Another interesting quote that I did not make or respond to, nor do I see a deluge of responses to the list from 'everyone', so this reveals and confirms much; > I am now asking you to cease these types of posts. > Only you can not see your posts as flaming. Everyone > of this lisy knows who you are targeting. They are > not stupid or as gullable as you seem to think. -- Jerry Wayne Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-3501 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 7 20:57:00 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA11744; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 20:54:43 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 20:54:43 -0700 Message-ID: <37ACFFCB.1E67B545@prairienet.org> Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 22:55:56 -0500 From: Zack Widup Reply-To: w9sz@arrl.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Social Responsibility & the quest for 'free energy' References: <002a01bee141$3b0d3e00$8e5cadd1@default> <37ACEC48.DA86B4E7@keelynet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"HxG2q.0.Pt2.3-Fht"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11333 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: "Jerry W. Decker" wrote: > > > And thanks for stating the warning about using radioactive ANYTHING with > orgone type devices due to the DOR (destructive orgone) that Reich > claimed was released. Some people might not know about that and it is > very important when carrying out any operation involving orgone energy. > > >From the descriptions of Reich and his students, it was like something > out of Batman or a Charles Addams picture, everything gray, gloomy and > dead looking, no birds, no insects, no indication of life or health over > the entire valley around the lab. > > Wonder how the neighbors thought about that mysterious turn of the > weather? Wonder if Reich ever told them what caused this malaise? > > He also warns about repeated draws because it will setup a kind of > sustained suction or inertial roiling the aether that will continue to > draw and precipitate moisture long after the operation has been closed > down. I understand Constable consulted with the government of Singapore > to relieve a drought condition and caused a month long monsoon that he > could not stop, so they ran him out of the country. > > The rain eventually stopped but the damage to property and life was > quite extensive. I don't know this to be true, thats what the guys from > Europe told me after we watched the videotape. Maybe someone could > clarify if that is incorrect? > I have read much of Reich's works, including a couple rare books contained in the University of Illinois rare book room. I would recommend that no one attempt to try any of Reich's experiments until he or she has read some of Reich's original materials. Reich realized the efect he could have on the environment and was somewhat concerned about people haphazardly producing the same effects without an understanding of the implications. Read his own descriptions of what happened with the DOR when he tried the experiment with radioactive materials and it will put it in the proper perspective. Radioactive materials when treated with care and understanding do not have to be dangerous. Without that care and understanding ... tread lightly. Zack Widup Urbana, IL From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 7 21:06:12 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA15203; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 21:06:01 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 21:06:01 -0700 Message-ID: <37AD021D.A8EABCF@keelynet.com> Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 23:05:49 -0500 From: "Jerry W. Decker" Reply-To: jdecker@keelynet.com Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Increasing magnet field strength Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"j83-B.0.7j3.d8Ght"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11334 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Folks! I was looking for something else and ran across this interesting comment that I'd never read before from the researches of Dr. John Moreland; "Where do I think the increased power of the new super-magnets come from? I will give you three guesses and the first two do not count. RADIOACTIVE MATERIALS! I will show the naturally occurring isotopes of some of the materials used to make these super magnets. If we take Cesium, we find it has only one isotope which accounts for 11.07% of the naturally occurring material. We also see that it is an alpha-emitter with an energy of 1.5 Mev. If we now take Neodymium, we find it has only one isotope that accounts for 23.85% of the naturally occurring material. The alpha particle emitted has an energy of 1.8 Mev. And finally if we take Samarium we find it has three isotopes which account for a total of 40.04% of the naturally occurring material. The energies of the alpha particles emitted are 2.24, 2.14 and 1.84 Mev. It is evident that as the percentage and energy of the alpha particles increase, so does the power of the magnetic material produced when incorporating this material into magnets. Another interesting property of these magnets is that once the material is compressed in the mold and before it is energized to make it magnetic, a Geiger counter will register activity from the radioactive material. However, once the material is energized and becomes a magnet, absolutely no radiation can be detected. My theory is that the energy of the alpha particle is being converted to magnetic energy and thus increasing the magnetic power of the magnet as the percentage of radioactive material and or the energy of the alpha particle is increased. --------------------- Now I know you can freeze or just get a magnet cold and the flux density will increase as measured by proximity to a compass. A lady friend told me she had an old refrigerator which barely kept her food cool. She put in a crystal and the food nearly froze. I've known this lady for many years and trust her judgment so wrote the observation up at; http://www.keelynet.com/energy/coldxtal.htm What an interesting claim...conversion of alpha emissions to magnetic flux. The address to make contact with and/or buy Dr. Morelands books which was www.aztecpub.com but the website is no longer valid. The phone number listed is 615.888.3428 and the last known address was Aztec Publishing, 1251 Smith Thompson Road, Bethpage, TN 37022, they have a list of books by Dr. John Moreland and Dr. Paul Brown. -- Jerry Wayne Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-3501 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 8 04:11:12 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id EAA26031; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 04:10:53 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 04:10:53 -0700 Message-ID: <37AD15B3.7B6@cyberportal.net> Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 01:29:23 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Power Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jdecker@keelynet.com CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Increasing magnet field strength References: <37AD021D.A8EABCF@keelynet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"doy86.0.eM6.yMMht"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11335 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Jerry, It is all too obvious that you are on a trail to destroy my good name. If you recall back in 1996 Moreland was my assistant. He assisted me in my fist public lecture because I had stage fright. This guy had access to 96% of all of my notes, not to mention the many hours that my brain was picked over the phone. Thank God that I did not trust him enough to give him the other 4%. He sure has you "conned." This Dr. associate had signed a non-disclosure but this has not stopped him from taking my work and claiming it as his own. -Bruce A. Perreault Jerry W. Decker wrote: > > Hi Folks! > > I was looking for something else and ran across this interesting comment > that I'd never read before from the researches of Dr. John Moreland; > > "Where do I think the increased power of the new super-magnets come > from? I will give you three guesses and the first two do not count. > RADIOACTIVE MATERIALS! I will show the naturally occurring isotopes of > some of the materials used to make these super magnets. > > If we take Cesium, we find it has only one isotope which accounts for > 11.07% of the naturally occurring material. We also see that it is an > alpha-emitter with an energy of 1.5 Mev. > > If we now take Neodymium, we find it has only one isotope that accounts > for 23.85% of the naturally occurring material. The alpha particle > emitted has an energy of 1.8 Mev. > > And finally if we take Samarium we find it has three isotopes which > account for a total of 40.04% of the naturally occurring material. The > energies of the alpha particles emitted are 2.24, 2.14 and 1.84 Mev. > > It is evident that as the percentage and energy of the alpha particles > increase, so does the power of the magnetic material produced when > incorporating this material into magnets. > > Another interesting property of these magnets is that once the material > is compressed in the mold and before it is energized to make it > magnetic, a Geiger counter will register activity from the radioactive > material. > > However, once the material is energized and becomes a magnet, absolutely > no radiation can be detected. > > My theory is that the energy of the alpha particle is being converted to > magnetic energy and thus increasing the magnetic power of the magnet as > the percentage of radioactive material and or the energy of the alpha > particle is increased. > --------------------- > Now I know you can freeze or just get a magnet cold and the flux density > will increase as measured by proximity to a compass. > > A lady friend told me she had an old refrigerator which barely kept her > food cool. She put in a crystal and the food nearly froze. I've known > this lady for many years and trust her judgment so wrote the observation > up at; > > http://www.keelynet.com/energy/coldxtal.htm > > What an interesting claim...conversion of alpha emissions to magnetic > flux. The address to make contact with and/or buy Dr. Morelands books > which was www.aztecpub.com but the website is no longer valid. > > The phone number listed is 615.888.3428 and the last known address was > Aztec Publishing, 1251 Smith Thompson Road, Bethpage, TN 37022, they > have a list of books by Dr. John Moreland and Dr. Paul Brown. > -- > Jerry Wayne Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com > http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" > Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-3501 > KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 8 04:24:40 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id EAA28767; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 04:24:29 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 04:24:29 -0700 Message-ID: <37AD18E7.24C3@cyberportal.net> Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 01:43:03 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Power Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jdecker@keelynet.com CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Cloudbuster References: <002a01bee141$3b0d3e00$8e5cadd1@default> <37ACEC48.DA86B4E7@keelynet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"_2pkx2.0.O17.iZMht"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11336 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Jerry W. Decker wrote: > > Hi Jim et al! > > I didn't say anything about yet another error in the 'orgone crystals' > statement because it would just provoke another flame. Trying to get to > some discussion here that deals with reality or at least clearly ideas, > without any kind of flame response so your rational comment was very > welcome. This is not an error! I have the document sitting right in front of me. This type of response is why the secrets of "free energy" have remained with "black op" projects. If Bill does not remove you from this list then I will leave. I will not subject myself to more of your disrespect. Asking for proof and engaging in a technical debate is one thing but calling me a liar is quite another. You say that I am in "error" but did not follow up on where the error is. The only data that you offered is Trever Constable's work with the cloudbuster. Like everything else you are relying on second-hand information. > > You are absolutely correct about cloudbusters not being powered, at > least no designs I've seen. Trevor Constable designed that strange > contraption he calls the 'Black Widow' and by now, he must have other > designs. Maybe not by Constable, but certainly by Reich. -Bruce A. Perreault From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 8 08:07:04 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id IAA25121; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 08:06:44 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 08:06:44 -0700 Message-ID: <37AD4C17.4426@cyberportal.net> Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 05:21:27 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Power Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com CC: exotic@casagrande.com Subject: Product Development Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"i1ixi2.0.P86.3qPht"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11337 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > > Bruce: > > Any parameters on the device? Not many at this point. It is not at product level. > > Cost? This is hard to say at this point. The cells should last a good six months. > > Cost to operate? No more than a good radio receiver. > > Size? About the size of a bread box. > > Fuel? Radio Thorium cells. > > Safety? Very low risk. Using thorium-228 as a source there is no contamination problem. This can be seen in this first chart. The second chart here shows that using radium-226 is dirty and is a health hazard. http://www.cyberportal.net/nuenergy/thorium.htm http://www.cyberportal.net/nuenergy/radium.htm > > Energy output type, electric, heat, mechanical? > When will it be available, kit, complete? The output is electric at whatever frequency that is required. Kits or plans are out of the question. From experience it is better to sell this type of product leased. To overcome the transport problem we could process the material at the consumer's home or business. This type of product would have to be sold by word of mouth only because of the bad publicity associated with radioactive materials. The problem that I see at this point is that if someone gets sick that the device will automatically be blamed. This point alone will stop the sale of the device dead in its tracks. Additionally, I am having a hard time getting my own materials, let alone a commercial source. The stuff that I am formed to work with is uranium ore and it is not the clean stuff that I would feel at peace with myself putting into a commercial product. For a 6KW unit the risk is simply not acceptable. For a few watts I do not see any health risks. I think the best option at this point is to sell something like hydrogen to people that was gotten from the energy of this technology. The idea is to get people off the grid. However, this all costs money to setup, something that has been in very short supply these days. I am attempting to solve this money problem by offering a few products in the fall that are spin-offs from my research. What is needed is one good product to get the needed cash flow to launch the projects that are closer to my heart. Best Regards, Bruce A. Perreault From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 8 08:54:15 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id IAA06869; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 08:53:59 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 08:53:59 -0700 Message-ID: <37AD5819.6196@cyberportal.net> Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 06:12:41 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Power Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Harassment by Jerry Decker Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Nq_UP1.0.Ah1.NWQht"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11338 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Bill, This has to stop! Jerry has been putting has been sending me e-mails directly to my address. I accidently have hit the Re:Mail icon like I generally do. At this point I am going to report him to his ISP and forward this post to my own ISP. This is outright HARASSMENT! -Bruce A. Perreault this is my 3rd request to you to stop harassing my email address with your unsolicited, uninvited delusional rants to my email address If you continue, I will once again report you to your ISP asking that you be stopped or denied service from the Internet. -- Jerry Wayne Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-3501 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 this is the 2nd post demanding that you stop harassing my email address with your unsolicitied, uninvited delusional rants. Contine and I will again report you to your ISP asking that you be removed from internet access -- Jerry Wayne Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-3501 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 8 09:13:27 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA11455; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 09:13:06 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 09:13:06 -0700 Message-ID: <37AD5C94.2409@cyberportal.net> Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 06:31:48 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Power Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: admin@cyberportal.net CC: admin@keelynet.com, William Beaty , freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Compliant Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"TnchG.0.qo2.IoQht"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11339 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dear Staff, I am writing this e-mail because I am being harassed by a guy named Jerry Decker. I have enclosed two of his most recent e-mails to me. This has to stop! This guy has been publically degrading my character. I belong to a mailing list that I do not want to leave. This guy has been sending me e-mails directly to my address. I accidently have hit the Re:Mail icon in every now and then like I normally do to response to a list post. However, when this guy sends a post directly to me, sending the post "CC:" to the list I do not always catch it. He is trying to set me up again and make me look like the bad guy in all of this. At this point I am going to report him to his ISP and Cc: this compliant to you. This is outright HARASSMENT! I suspect that he owns his own server. So, reporting him to his server will probably fall on deaf ears. At this point I am willing to submit a compliant to the proper law inforcement agencies. Please go to -> http://www.escribe.com/science/freenrg/index.html Here you can see the flames that I have been put through. -Bruce A. Perreault this is my 3rd request to you to stop harassing my email address with your unsolicited, uninvited delusional rants to my email address If you continue, I will once again report you to your ISP asking that you be stopped or denied service from the Internet. -- Jerry Wayne Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-3501 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 this is the 2nd post demanding that you stop harassing my email address with your unsolicitied, uninvited delusional rants. Contine and I will again report you to your ISP asking that you be removed from internet access -- Jerry Wayne Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-3501 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 8 09:57:04 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA22957; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 09:56:49 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 09:56:49 -0700 Message-ID: <37ADB6D8.6DCF5F8F@keelynet.com> Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 11:56:56 -0500 From: "Jerry W. Decker" Reply-To: jdecker@keelynet.com Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Increasing magnet field strength References: <37AD021D.A8EABCF@keelynet.com> <37AD15B3.7B6@cyberportal.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"QLXak1.0.cc5.HRRht"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11340 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Folks! Regarding the crystal in the refrigerator, I received an email asking if there was a .gif of that...no, not yet. When the anecdote was shared with me, I asked her if she still had the crystal and she said yes, but that she had moved several times and would have to find it. I will ask her again if I can borrow it and try a similar experiment with another refrigerator. And take a photo as well as get some size and weight measurements. It was quartz with mutiple spikes on the top as I recall. The anecdote is intriguing because IF it can be duplicated, perhaps a novel connection to magnetism might be found. The late Rory Johnson, whose work was carried on by Gerald Orlowski claimed that magnetism tended to attract to itself as compared to electricity which repels from itself. Here is the web address which I suggest you copy completely as you never know how long such sites will be up and I'm showing this one since 1997 which is a good sign; http://www.dnai.com/~zap/rory.htm Thus, if he and others are correct, magnetism would be an inflowing, centripetal, implosive, generating force allied with cold and alkali properties. Whereas electricity would have the opposite characteristics, outflowing, centrifugal, explosive, dissipating force allied with heat and acid properties. You'd think based on MATTER, that expansion means cooling but energy seems to operate opposite to matter. Have to be careful what I post publicly these days so it won't be lifted for sale or claimed as being yet another 'discovery' stolen from someone else....that's never my goal...you see, I did not know that Bill had arranged with eScribe to publicly archive ALL the posts to this list so that anyone could see them and search through them at will. KeelyNet was on eScribe a long time ago as I found when I had need to check out some earlier posts from our archive. They used to archive all our emails which then became searchable through the web using any search engine. I noticed a freeNRG archive at eScribe and sure enough, it was the same....neat...and much better than having to download an entire zip file to wade through that does serve as a good resource for all of it at one time. The address is; http://www.escribe.com/science/freenrg/index.html -- Jerry Wayne Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-3501 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 8 10:17:36 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA27372; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 10:17:25 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 10:17:25 -0700 Message-ID: <005201bee1c1$d809a100$175dadd1@default> From: "Jim Shaffer, Jr." To: Subject: Re: Social Responsibility & the quest for 'free energy' Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 13:16:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"oPVkO1.0.bh6.bkRht"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11341 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >> A *basic* cloudbuster isn't powered by anything, it's a passive device. I think >> I've even figured out how to explain it without invoking any "new" energy such >> as "orgone", but that'll have to wait for another time. > > >It can be powered by a steam of moving water. The cables were placed in >the moving stream. The tubes draw in radon gas from the air due to this >draft. There is no moving streams where the laboratory sits. Everything I have ever read says that at Orgonon, he connected the cables to a deep well. The part about drawing in radon gas is new to me. Was there, in fact, enough room in the cables for any significant amount of air to flow, especially considering that it was connected to very long and narrow pipes? (For those who don't know what a cloudbuster was, we're talking about a type of electrical cable called "BX", which had a flexible metal shield around the standard plastic-insulated wires. I don't see it much anymore.) (By the way, the grounding-to-water requirement is the weak point in my personal non-orgone theory, and why I haven't mentioned it yet. Expect me to say something vague about structured water when I do.) >Reich had to use "orgone crystals." There are three types... Melanor, Brownite, and Orite. >These materials were obtained from N.H. Yes, the laboratory is in Rangely, Maine. Again, this contradicts everything I've ever read. Melanor, Brownite, and Orite, as far as I know, were by-products of the ORANUR reaction. Melanor was deposited on things in the vicinity of the lab, the other two I think were decomposed rock. What he used to power the cloudbuster in his experiments in the desert was called Orur, and was the transmuted original radioactive samples that created the ORANUR reaction in the first place. When he saw what was happening and could get them out of the accumulator, he buried them in a lead box, intending to leave them there. He only dug them up as a desperate measure after he became convinced that we were under attack from space. -- Secretary, Williamsport Area Computer Club Member, Susquehanna Valley Amateur Astronomers Personal Home Page: http://woodstock.csrlink.net/~jshaffer -----Original Message----- From: Bruce A. Perreault To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Saturday, August 07, 1999 10:24 PM Subject: Re: Social Responsibility & the quest for 'free energy' >Jim Shaffer, Jr. wrote: >> >> >> For instance, as a matter of social responsibility, there have been >> >> numerous emails over the years comlaining why KeelyNet doesn't post >> >> cloudbuster construction details (among others) which are of course now >> >> freely available on the net. >> > >> > >> >Yup, cloudbusters were powered by "orgone crystals." This material >> >came straight out of New Hampshire... yup, its radioactive. :) >> >I have documents that show how to prepare these materials. > > >> >> Yes, Reich did try putting slightly radioactive material he called "ORUR" (not >> "orgone crystals") in a cloudbuster and found that it greatly intensified the >> effect. > > >"ORANUR" = OR (orgone) "A" (and) NUR (nuclear radiation) yields the >ORANUR EFFECT. >This is in Reich's First Report 1947-1951. It is when orgone energy >fights >nuclear radiation. This effect will neutralize radioactive materials. >The side >effect of these experiment made a person become immune to radiation >poision. >Reich tryed to give this to the government and this is when he was >brought to >court and all of his books were odered burned. > > >> >> But this material had been somehow transmuted by exposure to a strong >> orgone field in Reich's lab in Maine (not New Hampshire). The transmutation >> process nearly killed him and his assistants, did kill all the plant life around >> his lab, and even caused the surface of the rocks to disintegrate! (He didn't >> expect this. He thought the orgone would neutralize the radioactivity. It >> *eventually* did, but possibly by *intensifying* the decay process.) > > >The laboratory outside walls collected radon and the radon decayied to >lead-210. Reich did not know this. The lead-210 eat at the rocks. >This material made people at the lab very sick. The radon accumulation >had to take place because the inside walls of the laboratory were lined >with sheet metal. This acted like a huge capacitor plate. Orgone energy >is a type of "K-capture" and this draws in postively charged radon and >alpha particles. So, yes, fission resulted from the ORANUR EFFECT. This >was something that the military did not want to get out. I suspect that >this is still the case today. > >> >> In short, do *not* put radioactive material in your cloudbuster! > > >I agree! Reich even warned not to do this. The cloudbuster effects >are intense when the orgone crystals are used. These should not be >used in combination with the cloudbuster unless you have first mastered >the cloudbuster powered by a moving stream of water. > > > -Bruce A. Perreault > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 8 10:27:00 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA29727; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 10:26:48 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 10:26:48 -0700 Message-ID: <37ADBDD6.5CE00ABE@keelynet.com> Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 12:26:46 -0500 From: "Jerry W. Decker" Reply-To: jdecker@keelynet.com Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Compliant References: <37AD5C94.2409@cyberportal.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"SxB1p.0.JG7.NtRht"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11342 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: FAQ - Who is harassing who? What does the TO: say?? (I only wish this thread name was compliant, however, it is the unschooled spelling of the word complaint) The facts again... ---------------------- Subject: Re: Cloudbuster Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 01:43:03 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Organization: Nu Power Technologies To: jdecker@keelynet.com > If Bill does not remove you from this list then I will leave. ---------------------- Subject: Re: Cloudbuster Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 01:43:03 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Organization: Nu Power Technologies To: jdecker@keelynet.com > I belong to a mailing list that I do not want to leave. ---------------------------- Subject: Re: Social Responsibility & the quest for 'free energy' Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 21:12:07 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" If anyone here wishes proof of your most recent rude e-mail addressed to me from you I will gladly forward it to them. However, I will not post it here as requested by Bill not to engage in your flame war. ---------------------------- Subject: Compliant Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 06:31:48 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" To: admin@cyberportal.net CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > I have enclosed two of his most recent e-mails to me. > At this point I am willing to submit a compliant to the proper law > inforcement agencies. ---------------------------- Please do so, the facts are clear and well documented. You came here only recently only to seek an audience for financial support which you openly admit in your own words. > The only (financial) support I have is from the people that I reach. > I do this through lectures, articles, and mailing lists such as this. My original comment was; > ..........! oh puhleeze !......... > first it was blue beam posts, now > conspiracy, cult, secrecy, paranoia, > and the guru/messiah complex, I can't > hit my delete key fast enough as it is.. It never mentioned your name, your website or any target yet resulted in a deluge of responses ONLY from you, no one else on the list, even the person who posted the blue beam email to the list did not respond or take offense. I have been a contributing subscriber to the freenrg list for years, not for sales or self-promotion or flames but to share information and be involved in discussions regarding the topics as posted as part of the agreement. I have refrained from responding to these incessant paranoid posts per the email to Bill agreeing to NOT respond 'in kind' or generate flames. You continue as the facts clearly show. I rest my case. -- Jerry Wayne Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-3501 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 8 11:03:34 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA05039; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 11:03:23 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 11:03:23 -0700 Message-ID: <37ADC86E.3DE0@cyberportal.net> Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 14:11:58 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Power Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Complaint References: <37AD5C94.2409@cyberportal.net> <37ADBDD6.5CE00ABE@keelynet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"fzETX3.0.eE1.hPSht"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11343 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Jerry W. Decker wrote: > > FAQ - Who is harassing who? What does the TO: say?? > > (I only wish this thread name was compliant, however, it is the > unschooled spelling of the word complaint) Thanks for the spelling lesson. I have round fifty e-mails per day to address. The subject spelling as been corrected. <> > > ---------------------------- > > Please do so, the facts are clear and well documented. You came here > only recently only to seek an audience for financial support which you > openly admit in your own words. > > > The only (financial) support I have is from the people that I reach. > > I do this through lectures, articles, and mailing lists such as this. This is totally untrue. You have fabricated this. You added the word "financial" yourself. If you are so much against using radioactive materials in free energy devices then why are you supporting Dr. Moreland and Dr. Brown? You even posted the radioactive magnet article to your keely mailing list giving full credit to Dr. Moreland, something that you stated that you do not do. > > My original comment was; > > > ..........! oh puhleeze !......... > > first it was blue beam posts, now > > conspiracy, cult, secrecy, paranoia, > > and the guru/messiah complex, I can't > > hit my delete key fast enough as it is.. > > It never mentioned your name, your website or any target yet resulted in > a deluge of responses ONLY from you, no one else on the list, even the > person who posted the blue beam email to the list did not respond or > take offense. People can go back to the posts and see for themselves. It is clear who is the target of your attacks. > > I have been a contributing subscriber to the freenrg list for years, not > for sales or self-promotion or flames but to share information and be > involved in discussions regarding the topics as posted as part of the > agreement. Just because you have been on this list does not give you the right to break its rules. If I recall, you were selling a book on Keely. Am I right or am I wrong? Discussion is one thing but degrading someone on the list is another. > > I have refrained from responding to these incessant paranoid posts per > the email to Bill agreeing to NOT respond 'in kind' or generate flames. > You continue as the facts clearly show. > > I rest my case. > > -- > Jerry Wayne Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com > http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" > Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-3501 > KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 For the most part I have responded to the technical aspects of your attempt to discredit my contributions. I have done so without flaming you as requested by Bill Beaty. Again, I am tired of this stuff coming to my e-mail box. I do not have the time to deal with this. I have more important issues to address. I am once again requesting Bill Beaty to remove you from this list. -Bruce A. Perreault From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 8 11:17:30 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA08515; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 11:17:18 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 11:17:18 -0700 Message-ID: <37ADCBB1.7D70@cyberportal.net> Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 14:25:53 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Power Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Cloud Buster References: <005201bee1c1$d809a100$175dadd1@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"P5-C31.0.u42.jcSht"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11344 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Jim Shaffer, Jr. wrote: > > Everything I have ever read says that at Orgonon, he connected the cables to a > deep well. I have actually gone to the laboratory on a number of occasions. Many things are not written in the published texts. I got some nice pictures during my visits. If I did not have to deal with the flamewar that is targeted at me then there would be time for me to scan them in. > > The part about drawing in radon gas is new to me. Was there, in fact, enough > room in the cables for any significant amount of air to flow, especially > considering that it was connected to very long and narrow pipes? The cables are hollow... they are attached to the tubes. These hollow cables lead to a closed base that house the orgone crystals. There are other cloudbuster configurations but I will not discuss them until this flamewar is put out. > > (For those who > don't know what a cloudbuster was, we're talking about a type of electrical > cable called "BX", which had a flexible metal shield around the standard > plastic-insulated wires. I don't see it much anymore.) Yes, Reich pulled out the wires. > > (By the way, the grounding-to-water requirement is the weak point in my personal > non-orgone theory, and why I haven't mentioned it yet. Expect me to say > something vague about structured water when I do.) > > >Reich had to use "orgone crystals." There are three types... Melanor, Brownite, > and Orite. > >These materials were obtained from N.H. Yes, the laboratory is in Rangely, > Maine. > > Again, this contradicts everything I've ever read. Melanor, Brownite, and > Orite, as far as I know, were by-products of the ORANUR reaction. Melanor was > deposited on things in the vicinity of the lab, the other two I think were > decomposed rock. I have a report giving by the person who was hired by Reich to do the scrapings here in NH. This report details the chemistry. What is interesting is that the material is mostly Potassium. It is my theory that this material had a higher percentage of Potassium-40, thus, K-capture being what Reich called "Orgone." -Bruce A. Perreault From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 8 11:21:53 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA10424; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 11:21:36 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 11:21:36 -0700 Message-ID: <000701bee1cb$146497a0$bc57fea9@y9g6r3> From: "atglab" To: Subject: Sustained TMB Current Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 13:23:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"8YXE71.0.nY2.lgSht"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11345 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: A milestone in TMB development, constant current output able to drive a green LED. This provided by a new 3 plate design. For update and photo; http://www.atgroup.org/tmb.htm Rex Allen. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 8 11:41:00 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA14896; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 11:40:48 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 11:40:48 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 11:40:46 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: Joe cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fractal coils In-Reply-To: <37AD0807.76B554E4@i1.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"gqt1b.0.fe3.mySht"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11346 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Sat, 7 Aug 1999, Joe wrote: > Let's say I have a plastic spring, and wrapped it with wire. I'd then > have a coil with self-repetition. What could it do? It would be very long, yet compact. DNA works this way; I've heard that it has about 5 stages of spirals. When DNA splits, how do the two copies avoid creating a tangled knot? I don't know, but it has something to do with this fractal spiral. Light bulb filaments are like this too. If you get a big 2000-watt stage-light bulb and take out the filament, you'll find that it is a thick coil, but its made from a smaller coil, and THAT coil is made from a smaller coil! They do this because a straight-wire 2000-watt filament would be very long. If you put a fast-rising high voltage pulse on one end of a long fractal coil, I don't know exactly what would happen. The pulse would be slowed by the inner spiral, but would be slowed even more by the bigger one. Hey, maybe this is a method for creating a Tesla Coil with extremely low frequency. If we make a thin, very tall Tesla coil secondary, the frequency will be very low. If we then wind the whole thing around a cylindrical coil form, the Tesla coil will be very small. ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com http://www.amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 8 11:51:14 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA17532; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 11:51:03 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 11:51:03 -0700 Message-ID: <37ADD192.FCB8F28A@keelynet.com> Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 13:50:59 -0500 From: "Jerry W. Decker" Reply-To: jdecker@keelynet.com Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Complaint References: <37AD5C94.2409@cyberportal.net> <37ADBDD6.5CE00ABE@keelynet.com> <37ADC86E.3DE0@cyberportal.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"5Svhn2.0.rH4.M6Tht"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11347 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Clarification and options for resolution; > > The only (financial) support I have is from the people that I reach. > > I do this through lectures, articles, and mailing lists such as this. > This is totally untrue. You have fabricated this. > You added the word "financial" yourself. Yes, I DID ADD 'financial' so we are ALL PERFECTLY CLEAR on what SUPPORT means as clearly indicated by your own unedited words; > If we took back our lives then these, ^%$#%^*)%$@## would no longer > be living off the labor of WE THE PEOPLE. > I do not sell plans, I give them away for FREE through my website! > The cd-roms are of a great service. They are reasonably priced. > If anyone is interested I sell a two hour audio tape of Galen > exposing the rats. > Oh, the beast rears its ungly head, commercialism. With regard to KeelyNet SELLING anything, wrong AGAIN, click on any of the headers or files and see WHO is selling; > If I recall, you were selling a book on Keely. > Am I right or am I wrong? > I have done so without flaming you as requested by Bill Beaty. wrong again... > I am tired of this stuff coming to my e-mail box. as are we all, solution; > If Bill does not remove you from this list then I will leave. YET (new subscriber - translation 'I RECENTLY belong' for a reason) > I belong to a mailing list that I do not want to leave. why? back to square one in your own words (sans financial); > > The ONLY (financial) SUPPORT I have is from the people that I reach. > > I do this through lectures, articles, and MAILING LISTS SUCH AS THIS. options; 1) yield to the demand of a new member, here primarily for 'support' as he himself stated and proceed to unsubscribe a long time member Extract from item 1 in user guidelines; If you respond in kind to a nonexistant insult, then *you* threw the first punch. So, if you feel offended, first ask the author if a particular statement is intended to be insulting. You might get an explanation or apology. And if you give a cool-headed response to an obvious attack, you make your attacker look like a flamer. (I received no request asking IF I was intending to be insulting. I was not then and am not now, all I asked was that such paranoid material not be sent to a list which forwards it to my mailbox as a long term member. I would THEN and will NOW apologize publicly if that was the 'perception' fron a 'nonexistent insult' that drew the 'first punch', then I will state I did not intend it to be insulting or targeting by specifically naming any single person or group as reading it with comprehension of the English language shows.) Extract from item 6 in user guidelines; Anyone who spams freenrg-list with off-topic advertizing will be referred to the Internet Vigilante Justice team. Note: WEIRD SCIENCE now has a free for-sale area. 2) unsubscribe the new member (which I NEVER asked for and would not want to see because I DO think he has something to contribute but not hiding behind suppression, conspiracy or paranoia AND without using the list and open email boxes primarily for self-promotion to draw new 'support') 3) unsubscribe BOTH members (a logical choice though history, purpose, participation, FACTS of beginning and escalation all play a part that requires consideration) Solomon decides or the group decides (I trust Bill to do the right thing but I really like the idea of the group deciding, perhaps BOTH and flip a coin?.....) Help, Mr. Wizard!!! -- Jerry Wayne Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-3501 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 8 12:48:36 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA28893; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 12:47:54 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 12:47:54 -0700 Message-ID: <37ADE0F0.1AA1@cyberportal.net> Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 15:56:32 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Power Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Complaint References: <37AD5C94.2409@cyberportal.net> <37ADBDD6.5CE00ABE@keelynet.com> <37ADC86E.3DE0@cyberportal.net> <37ADD192.FCB8F28A@keelynet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"zHDPM.0.I37.gxTht"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11348 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dear List Members, Support comes in many forms. It does not have to include money. I am tired of being manipulated by a play on my words. As for the first punch, everyone knows that I have been the intended target. If people want me to leave this list I will gracefully step out. It really does not make any difference how long that I have been here. However, I do think that if it is Jerry Decker that should leave then he should also take it like a man. Anyone that is reading this post please reply to William Beaty at mailto:William Beaty If you think that we should both stay then I will leave on my own accord... I will not be the focus of this sort of degradation. Best Regards, Bruce A. Perreault Jerry W. Decker wrote: > > Clarification and options for resolution; > > > > The only (financial) support I have is from the people that I reach. > > > I do this through lectures, articles, and mailing lists such as this. > > > This is totally untrue. You have fabricated this. > > You added the word "financial" yourself. > > Yes, I DID ADD 'financial' so we are ALL PERFECTLY CLEAR on what SUPPORT > means as clearly indicated by your own unedited words; > > > If we took back our lives then these, ^%$#%^*)%$@## would no longer > > be living off the labor of WE THE PEOPLE. > > > I do not sell plans, I give them away for FREE through my website! > > The cd-roms are of a great service. They are reasonably priced. > > > If anyone is interested I sell a two hour audio tape of Galen > > exposing the rats. > > > Oh, the beast rears its ungly head, commercialism. > > With regard to KeelyNet SELLING anything, wrong AGAIN, click on any of > the headers or files and see WHO is selling; > > > If I recall, you were selling a book on Keely. > > Am I right or am I wrong? > > > I have done so without flaming you as requested by Bill Beaty. > > wrong again... > > > I am tired of this stuff coming to my e-mail box. > > as are we all, solution; > > > If Bill does not remove you from this list then I will leave. > > YET (new subscriber - translation 'I RECENTLY belong' for a reason) > > > I belong to a mailing list that I do not want to leave. > > why? back to square one in your own words (sans financial); > > > > The ONLY (financial) SUPPORT I have is from the people that I reach. > > > I do this through lectures, articles, and MAILING LISTS SUCH AS THIS. > > options; > > 1) yield to the demand of a new member, here primarily for 'support' > as he himself stated and proceed to unsubscribe a long time member > > Extract from item 1 in user guidelines; > If you respond in kind to a nonexistant insult, then *you* threw > the first punch. So, if you feel offended, first ask the author if > a particular statement is intended to be insulting. You might get an > explanation or apology. > And if you give a cool-headed response to an obvious attack, you > make > your attacker look like a flamer. > > (I received no request asking IF I was intending to be insulting. I was > not then and am not now, all I asked was that such paranoid material not > be sent to a list which forwards it to my mailbox as a long term > member. > > I would THEN and will NOW apologize publicly if that was the > 'perception' fron a 'nonexistent insult' that drew the 'first punch', > then I will state I did not intend it to be insulting or targeting by > specifically naming any single person or group as reading it with > comprehension of the English language shows.) > > Extract from item 6 in user guidelines; > Anyone who spams freenrg-list with off-topic advertizing will be > referred to the Internet Vigilante Justice team. > Note: WEIRD SCIENCE now has a free for-sale area. > > 2) unsubscribe the new member (which I NEVER asked for and would not > want to see because I DO think he has something to contribute but > not hiding behind suppression, conspiracy or paranoia AND without > using the list and open email boxes primarily for self-promotion to > draw new 'support') > > 3) unsubscribe BOTH members (a logical choice though history, purpose, > participation, FACTS of beginning and escalation all play a part > that > requires consideration) > > Solomon decides or the group decides (I trust Bill to do the right thing > but I really like the idea of the group deciding, perhaps BOTH and flip > a coin?.....) > > Help, Mr. Wizard!!! > -- > Jerry Wayne Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com > http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" > Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-3501 > KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 8 12:49:16 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA29223; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 12:49:06 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 12:49:06 -0700 Message-ID: <37ADDF2F.4D5AEF97@keelynet.com> Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 14:49:03 -0500 From: "Jerry W. Decker" Reply-To: jdecker@keelynet.com Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Increasing magnet field strength References: <37AD021D.A8EABCF@keelynet.com> <37AD15B3.7B6@cyberportal.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"8h_uC2.0.Q87.oyTht"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11349 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Note the email addresses....spamming who? Subject: Re: Increasing magnet field strength Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 01:29:23 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" To: jdecker@keelynet.com CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > If you recall back in 1996 Moreland was my assistant. oh, you mean Dr. John Moreland?...ok, if you think so. > This Dr. associate had signed a non-disclosure but this has not > stopped him from taking my work and claiming it as his own. So SUE him since YOU SAY you have a signed non-disclosure. However, please note who IS and who IS NOT still in 'business'; >> The address to make contact with and/or buy Dr. Morelands books >> which was www.aztecpub.com but the website is no longer valid. >> The phone number listed is 615.888.3428 and the last known >> address was Aztec Publishing, 1251 Smith Thompson Road, >> Bethpage, TN 37022, they have a list of books by Dr. John >> Moreland and Dr. Paul Brown. If anyone has any information as to whether Aztec is still in business or not, I would be interested in checking out their legitimate research publications. Thanks. -- Jerry Wayne Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-3501 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 8 13:13:23 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA02892; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 13:13:11 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 13:13:11 -0700 Message-ID: <37ADE4D1.BAF25E45@keelynet.com> Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 15:13:05 -0500 From: "Jerry W. Decker" Reply-To: jdecker@keelynet.com Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Complaint References: <37AD5C94.2409@cyberportal.net> <37ADBDD6.5CE00ABE@keelynet.com> <37ADC86E.3DE0@cyberportal.net> <37ADD192.FCB8F28A@keelynet.com> <37ADE0F0.1AA1@cyberportal.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"wT2643.0.4j.MJUht"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11350 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: The thread name itself has no place here, so who is it that keeps generating these zingers? Could it be............... moi? WRONG AGAIN...or in terms of the linguistically and ethically challenged, 'Am I right or am I wrong?' > As for the first punch, everyone knows that I have been the > intended target. Everyone knows? Thus the number of responses in support of either....uh, no that's not exactly true as in WRONG AGAIN...one person doesn't speak for EVERYONE in the real world. > I do think that if it is Jerry Decker that should leave then he > should also take it like a man. Even after years of being here and making contributions so I shall 'take it like a man', ignore the FACT that IT WAS I who posted the options in TRYING TO RESOLVE THIS. Were they accepted or considered by the flamER, NO. Isn't that odd? > If you think that we should both stay then I will leave on my own > accord Just checked the NWS at; http://www.nws.bnl.gov/ and it wasn't snowing in Hades yet...maybe I have the wrong URL??? I love it, a him or me or I'll take my toys and leave position. Him or me says much in my psychology class. If its time for me to leave, all I ask is that it be for a real reason, from a sane response based on the FACTS, not as a result of 'manipulation' and demand from one whose 'position' clearly offers a good argument for how handling radioactive materials WILL damage the brain. -- Jerry Wayne Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-3501 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 8 16:18:35 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA15830; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 16:16:11 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 16:16:11 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 13:16:06 -1000 Subject: Re: My Complaint: Shut up. From: "Rick Monteverde" To: freenrg Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <199908081916.SM00141@[192.168.0.2]> Resent-Message-ID: <"P9Gjp3.0.Ft3.w-Wht"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11351 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dear Friendlies: If either or both of you would just discuss the nuts and bolts of various ideas and inventions with a minimum of antagonism, then please stay - I find both of your ideas, as well as the counter arguments, quite interesting. If either or both of you can't do that, then please leave. Don't look for daddy Billy or supposed public support to make your decision for you. Just do it on your own, or maybe I'll unsubscribe myself for a while and check in again in a couple of weeks or so. I was getting kind of excited there for a minute about the 500khz and virtual antenna stuff. Then... sheesh. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 8 16:37:07 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA20494; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 16:36:55 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 16:36:55 -0700 Message-ID: <19990808233633.53259.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [208.254.227.254] From: "Timothy Flytcher" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: My Complaint: Shut up. Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 16:36:33 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"8_w5l1.0.405.NIXht"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11352 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I agree Rick... well said. Timothy flytcher San Luis Obispo, CA > >Dear Friendlies: > >If either or both of you would just discuss the nuts and bolts of various >ideas and inventions with a minimum of antagonism, then please stay - I >find >both of your ideas, as well as the counter arguments, quite interesting. If >either or both of you can't do that, then please leave. Don't look for >daddy >Billy or supposed public support to make your decision for you. Just do it >on your own, or maybe I'll unsubscribe myself for a while and check in >again >in a couple of weeks or so. I was getting kind of excited there for a >minute >about the 500khz and virtual antenna stuff. Then... sheesh. > >- Rick Monteverde >Honolulu, HI > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 8 17:16:38 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA28361; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 17:14:25 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 17:14:25 -0700 Message-Id: <4.1.19990808201418.00978c90@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: rymel@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 20:14:28 -0400 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com From: Rymel Subject: Re: Harassment by Jerry Decker In-Reply-To: <37AD5819.6196@cyberportal.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"xYnO12.0.1x6.WrXht"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11353 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: dude SHUT UP! you wanna bitch about decker go right ahead! do it offlist! i get enough mail off the list as is! i dont even read half of it anymore, it's mostly bitchin between you two. cut it out already! i'm probly half the age of the both of you and i bitch less than you guys. jeezus fuckin christ man..."no flames allowed on list" must have soem fine print allowing the 'regulars' to bitch as much as they want. grow up man... From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 8 19:06:51 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA19960; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 19:06:35 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 19:06:35 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 19:06:27 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com cc: jdecker@keelynet.com Subject: OK, *I'LL* stop it. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"imbuU3.0.it4.hUZht"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11354 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: The flamewar is over. Anyone who wishes to continue the "discussion" in public can do so on VORTEXB-L, where there are no rules. Seriously. My intention is not to suppress any voices, my intention is to ban flamewars and to FORCE subscribers to obey the simple rules of this forum, especially rule #1. Those who repeatedly violate the rules may not use FREENRG-L. To subscribe to vortexb-L, send a blank message to vortexb-L-request@eskimo.com with the single word "subscribe" in the subject line of the message header. ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com http://www.amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 8 22:27:35 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA07069; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 22:27:17 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 22:27:17 -0700 From: tv@juno.com To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Cc: atglab@atgroup.org Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 22:10:49 -0700 Subject: Are Testatika and TMB related ? Message-ID: <19990808.222742.-363081.0.tv@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 2.0.11 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,4-5,11-12,18-21,24-25,30-31,36-37,40-41,44-45,51-52,61-62,67-68,70-71,73-74,76-94 X-Juno-Att: 0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"GgmOq2.0.Lk1.qQcht"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11355 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Rex, thank you for sharing this interesting discovery of the TMB. It occurred to me when I saw your post that the TMB might be related to principle of the Testatika machine invented by members of the Christian community known as Methernitha in Switzerland. The Testatika also employs stacks of dissimilar metal plates. One part of the Testatika has a stack of dissimilar metal plates with clear plastic or glass between the plates. The whole assembly is also placed between the poles of what looks like a horseshoe magnet. It is also said that perforated dissimilar metal plates are used in the large "leyden jars". The people from Methernitha claim that the Testatika extracts energy from air. It is also claimed that it cools the air in the process. If this is true, it would tell me that it is somehow cohering (ordering) thermal fluctuation energy. In other words it is deriving useful high grade energy in the form of electricity from the kinetic energy of air molecules. This leads me to a number of speculations. As Bill says on his TV shows, PLEASE CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING............ It is well known that it takes a certain amount of energy to remove an electron from the surface of a metal. This is called the work function. Different metals have different work functions. If two uncharged dissimilar metal objects make contact, electrons will flow from the metal with the smaller work function to the metal with the greater work function. The potential difference (voltage) between the metal objects quickly reaches the difference of contact potentials and the current stops as equilibrium is reached. One might think that you could build a circuit of dissimilar metals and get a continuous current. But this results in equal and opposite junctions. Thus, you cannot make a continuous current this way, unless the junctions are at different temperatures. In which case, you have a thermocouple. What happens if dissimilar metals are not in contact but rather separated and exposed to an ionized gas consisting of an excess of either positive or negative ions ? Because of the different work functions, I would expect that there would be a difference of potential. Could this be used to make some kind of gas-electrolyte battery ? The problem that immediately comes to mind when I consider this is the reverse junction problem. The dissimilar metals would still have to make contact somewhere in the circuit and therefore would create a counter a voltage. But what if there was a way to alter one of the contact potential so they were not equal and opposite. Could a magnetic field alter a contact potential ? The inventor of the Testatika has stated that it will not work as well, or at all, unless the metals plates in the "laden jars" (and other parts) use perforated metal plate or screens. This would suggest to me that air (or ion) flow is important for it to function. Also the Methernitha people say the humidity has a big effect on the Testatika. Part of the Testatika machine is a Wimhurst generator. Like other electrostatic machines, Wimhurst generators are effected by moisture in the air. Also it is difficult to sustain ionized air in high humidity conditions. The Wimhurst machine in the Testatika no doubt produces large amounts of ionized air. Perhaps the core of the "leyden jars" is an ion emitter and the concentric dissimilar metal screens are for picking up the ions. Maybe the strange magnet metal plate/plastic stack assemblies utilize the TMB effect to make it all work ??? So maybe the Testatika is a kind of battery powered by the kinetic energy of ionized air molecules. Rex, Please could you tell more details on how your 3 plate LED lighting cell is constructed ? What happens when you ionize the air near the apparatus ? Maybe try rubbing a balloon on a sweater or a cat. Tim ( tv@juno.com ) On Sun, 8 Aug 1999 13:23:13 -0500 "atglab" writes: >A milestone in TMB development, constant current output able to drive >a >green LED. This provided by a new 3 plate design. > >For update and photo; http://www.atgroup.org/tmb.htm > >Rex Allen. > > Tim ( tv@juno.com ) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 8 23:34:58 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id XAA18506; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 23:34:44 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 23:34:44 -0700 From: b1kidd@uswest.net Delivered-To: fixup-freenrg-l@eskimo.com@fixme Message-ID: <37AE767D.DB74754B@pop.sttl.uswest.net> Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 23:34:38 -0700 Reply-To: b1kidd@uswest.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freenrg-l@eskimo.com" Subject: COMPLAINT Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------6E073C6F45AC2EF8D447098A" Resent-Message-ID: <"LycpT.0.3X4.3Qdht"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11356 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: --------------6E073C6F45AC2EF8D447098A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mr. Beaty, I would like you to know that I find it very appalling to receive a bunch of e-mails with two bickering hens at each others throat. I do not think I asked to be listed on a list with two scientists showing themselves as immature adults with the added benefit that one can spell and, mock the other into hysteria. These two are the prime example of why mainstream science is attractive to the younger generation. Why they bicker back and forth with each other instead of devoting their useful time to the conception of free energy, some one else will beat them to the objective. You I have spent allot of time listening to my children fight and argue, these two guys have my children beat, BY FAR! I just wanted to say this "HOW INTELLECTUAL CAN WE BE!!!" As a scientist I find my time limited to this, What can I learn And how can I use it? With these two it's this "let me see here, I wonder if I can piss him off some more with this statement?" We as scientists should posses the skill and knowledge of CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM!!!!!!!. Can you two guys base your character and your philosophical ideas in this? Or is that toooo much for ya!!!! Brian!!!!!! --------------6E073C6F45AC2EF8D447098A Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mr. Beaty, I would like you to know that I find it very appalling to receive a bunch of e-mails with two bickering hens at each others throat.  I do not think I asked to be listed on a list with two scientists showing themselves as immature adults with the added benefit that one can spell and, mock the other into hysteria.  These two are the prime example of why mainstream science is attractive to the younger generation.  Why they bicker back and forth with each other instead of devoting their useful time to the conception of free energy, some one else will beat them to the objective.  You I have spent allot of time listening to my children fight and argue, these two guys have my children beat, BY FAR!  I just wanted to say this  "HOW INTELLECTUAL CAN WE BE!!!"  As a scientist I find my time limited to this, What can I learn And how can I use it?  With these two it's this "let me see here, I wonder if I can piss him off some more with this statement?"  We as scientists should posses the skill and knowledge of CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM!!!!!!!.  Can you two guys base your character and your philosophical ideas in this?  Or is that toooo much for ya!!!!

Brian!!!!!! --------------6E073C6F45AC2EF8D447098A-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 9 00:46:30 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id AAA29849; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 00:46:09 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 00:46:09 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 21:46:03 -1000 Subject: Big Wednesday From: "Rick Monteverde" To: freenrg Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <199908090346.SM00141@[192.168.0.2]> Resent-Message-ID: <"puvu01.0.II7.0Teht"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11357 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Can't wait for Wednesday. Could be the day some standard notions about relativity take a major turn. Those ideas came to dominate this century at its beginning on the heels of observations of an eclipse. It would be too cool if the century closed out with an eclipse finishing off some of those ideas while giving birth to new ones. Might mean a little more traffic for Vortex-C, too. Gravitometer negatives won't meant much, keep your eyes those pendulums. The effect, if real, may depend on the extra (angular?) momentum in the detector which the gravitometers don't have. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 9 00:57:59 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id AAA00054; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 00:57:45 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 00:57:45 -0700 Message-Id: <4.1.19990809030353.009789d0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: rymel@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 03:57:41 -0400 To: b1kidd@uswest.net, "freenrg-l@eskimo.com" From: Rymel Subject: Re: COMPLAINT In-Reply-To: <37AE767D.DB74754B@pop.sttl.uswest.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_111688612==_.ALT" Resent-Message-ID: <"BL3P9.0.h.vdeht"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11358 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: --=====================_111688612==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > I do not think I asked to be listed on a list with two scientists= showing > themselves as immature adults with the added benefit that one can spell= and, > mock the other into hysteria. These two are the prime example of why > mainstream science is attractive to the younger generation. is that so? personally i found science attractive is because i love to know= how things work. that's the reason why all the kids i know are into science and technology. we want to know, and we're dissatisfied with the information presented at the time. we're not as old as all of you, so obviously we're inexperienced, since most of my circle of friends interested in this range between 15-20 years of age. originally i joined this list just to learn= about electrogravitics, and to date i've only seen like, 3 discussions on the= topic, i think all were initiated by Jean Naudin, who ignores all but 1 or 2 of= emails on e-grav, incidentally. For a group of people who are supposedly= open-minded this list is extremely closed to anybody not in the know. I may not have degrees in physics or whatever the hell you all have but i still find it interesting. > > > I have spent allot of time listening to my children fight and argue,= these > two guys have my children beat, BY FAR! At least SOMEONE agrees with me.... just for the record, i'm only 18, and brian is right, kids now are heavily interested in science and technology. the reason being is because everyone they see tells them they CANT do that. The fact that most scientific minds dismiss children as ignorant and incapable of comprehending only fuels the fire. Have you ever taken a look at what's gone on in news lately? The Littleton incident where the kids threw pipe bombs and fired shotguns, the clich=E9d= term "hackers", little kids taking up programming daily. Do you really think a stupid kid could create pipe bombs, find a source of firearms & blackmarket goods, crack computer systems and create programs? How do you think they do= it so well or easily? It's because we dont worry about the technicalities as= much as you older people. You all stress about formulas and whatnot. if you gave a smart kid information on building something, minus formulas, he could probably build= it.=20 It would be less effective, granted, but he's not worried about that half as much as the rest of you stress. if it dont work he'll simply mess with it= til it does. i've begun to get irritated by all the people saying "well where's the data?" and "oh that's nothing, i got it x times better than you". y'know for a group that's always up for 'constructive criticism' you bite back= pretty nasty when someone merely questions it. if the guy has no data tell him to bring it to a damned convention or something, dont burn him til he comes up with data. rushing someone only causes them to fuck up, simple as that.=20 y'know i actually thought Decker was cool, but apparantly he can't take criticism either. Sorry Jerry, but unlike the rest of you i never HEARD of= the guy until recently, how could i have heard of his claims? Just some food for thought. i hate it when i'm challenged for not saying anything. if i could i would, dont say i dont got balls. --=====================_111688612==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

>  I do not think I asked to be listed on a list with two scientists showing themselves as immature adults with the added benefit that one can spell and, mock the other into hysteria.  These two are the prime example of why mainstream science is attractive to the younger generation.

is that so? personally i found science attractive is because i love to know how things work. that's the reason why all the kids i know are into science and technology. we want to know, and we're dissatisfied with the information presented at the time.  we're not as old as all of you, so obviously we're inexperienced, since most of my circle of friends interested in this range between 15-20 years of age.  originally i joined this list just to learn about electrogravitics, and to date i've only seen like, 3 discussions on the topic, i think all were initiated by Jean Naudin, who ignores all but 1 or 2 of emails on e-grav, incidentally.  For a group of people who are supposedly open-minded this list is extremely closed to anybody not in the know.  I may not have degrees in physics or whatever the hell you all have but i still find it interesting.


>  I have spen= t allot of time listening to my children fight and argue, these two guys have my children beat, BY FAR!

At least SOMEONE agrees with me....

just for the record, i'm only 18, and brian is right, kids now are heavily interested in science and technology.  the reason being is because everyone they see tells them they CANT do that.  The fact that most scientific minds dismiss children as ignorant and incapable of comprehending only fuels the fire.

  Have you ever taken a look at what's gone on in news lately? The Littleton incident where the kids threw pipe bombs and fired shotguns, the clich=E9d term "hackers", little kids taking up programming daily.  Do you really think a stupid kid could create pipe bombs, find a source of firearms & blackmarket goods, crack computer systems and create programs?  How do you think they do it so well or easily? It's because we dont worry about the technicalities as much as you older people.

  You all stress about formulas and whatnot. if you gave a smart kid information on building something, minus formulas, he could probably build it.  It would be less effective, granted, but he's not worried about that half as much as the rest of you stress.  if it dont work he'll simply mess with it til it does.  i've begun to get irritated by all the people saying "well where's the data?" and "oh that's nothing, i got it x times better than you". y'know for a group that's always up for 'constructive criticism' you bite back pretty nasty when someone merely questions it. if the guy has no data tell him to bring it to a damned convention or something, dont burn him til he comes up with data. rushing someone only causes them to fuck up, simple as that.

y'know i actually thought Decker was cool, but apparantly he can't take criticism either.  Sorry Jerry, but unlike the rest of you i never HEARD of the guy until recently, how could i have heard of his claims?

Just some food for thought. i hate it when i'm challenged for not saying anything. if i could i would, dont say i dont got balls.
--=====================_111688612==_.ALT-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 9 02:05:20 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id CAA08604; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 02:05:05 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 02:05:05 -0700 X-Sender: knuke@mail.lcia.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: knuke@LCIA.COM (Michael T Huffman) Subject: Decrypting the Eclipse Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 05:11:16 -0400 Message-ID: <19990809091116968.AAA189@mail.lcia.com@lizard> Resent-Message-ID: <"D_oly.0.L62.0dfht"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11359 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >Return-Path: >Received: from sslab.msfc.nasa.gov ([128.158.133.122]) by mail.lcia.com > (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-52462U2500L250S0V35) > with ESMTP id com; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 02:30:41 -0400 >X-ListName: Science at Marshall Headline List > >Received: by sslab.msfc.nasa.gov (MX V5.1-X An9n) id 28; > Fri, 6 Aug 1999 00:00:54 -0500 >Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 00:00:54 -0500 >From: NASA Science News >Reply-To: EXPRESSREPLY@SSLAB.MSFC.NASA.GOV >To: express-delivery@sslab.msfc.nasa.gov >Message-ID: <009DC327.37581094.28@sslab.msfc.nasa.gov> >Subject: Decrypting the Eclipse > >NASA Space Science News for August 6, 1999 > >A Solar Eclipse, Global Measurements, and a Mystery: On August 11, >scientists around the world will attempt to solve a 45 year >mystery: Does a solar eclipse somehow affect the Foucault pendulum? > >Full Story at: > >http://science.nasa.gov/newhome/headlines/ast06aug99_1.htm > > > link for AOL users > > >============================================================ >You are subscribed to NASA's Space Science News mail server. >This is a free service. > >To add, remove, or change your address on this service, >go to > > http://science.nasa.gov/news/subscribe.htm > > >Link for AOL users. >============================================================ > >Linda Porter >Code SD23 >Science Systems Department >NASA/Marshall Space Flight Center >Huntsville AL 35812 > >(256)544-7588 >(256)544-7128 (fax) >linda.porter@msfc.nasa.gov > >http://science.nasa.gov/ > > Michael T. Huffman Huffman Technology Company 1121 Dustin Drive The Villages, Florida 32159 (352)259-1276 knuke@LCIA.COM http://www.aa.net/~knuke/index.htm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 9 03:25:15 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id DAA17652; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 03:24:55 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 03:24:55 -0700 X-Sender: leoguitar@pop3.vossnet.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Re: Are Testatika and TMB related ? Cc: atglab@atgroup.org, tv@juno.com Date: Mon, 9 Aug 99 11:22:10 +0100 Message-Id: <990809112210164900@odin.dreams.de> Resent-Message-ID: <"mY7KN.0.jJ4.snght"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11360 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi, great success ! Do you have the 3rd plate at the right side of the right magnet ? Did you try it with perforated plates yet ? (Testatika concept) You siad on your web page: "The power now being obtained is sufficient enough to power a green LED and supply an IR drop across a 10 ohms resistor in series with the LED. " Why did you not try to put 2 LEDs in series to also use the IR drop voltage at the 10 Ohm resistor as a usable output ? With 2 LEDs you could probably forget the 10 Ohm resistor and power 2 LEDs at the same time ? Good luck ! Best regards, Stefan. At 22:10 08.08.99 -0700, freenrg-l@eskimo.com wrote: >Rex, thank you for sharing this interesting discovery of the TMB. > >It occurred to me when I saw your post that the TMB might be related to >principle of the Testatika machine invented by members of the Christian >community known as Methernitha in Switzerland. > >The Testatika also employs stacks of dissimilar metal plates. One part >of the Testatika has a stack of dissimilar metal plates with clear >plastic or glass between the plates. The whole assembly is also placed >between the poles of what looks like a horseshoe magnet. It is also >said that perforated dissimilar metal plates are used in the large >"leyden jars". > >The people from Methernitha claim that the Testatika extracts energy from >air. It is also claimed that it cools the air in the process. If this >is true, it would tell me that it is somehow cohering (ordering) thermal >fluctuation energy. In other words it is deriving useful high grade >energy in the form of electricity from the kinetic energy of air >molecules. This leads me to a number of speculations. > >As Bill says on his TV shows, PLEASE CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING............ > >It is well known that it takes a certain amount of energy to remove an >electron from the surface of a metal. This is called the work function. > Different metals have different work functions. > >If two uncharged dissimilar metal objects make contact, electrons will >flow from the metal with the smaller work function to the metal with the >greater work function. The potential difference (voltage) between the >metal objects quickly reaches the difference of contact potentials and >the current stops as equilibrium is reached. > >One might think that you could build a circuit of dissimilar metals and >get a continuous current. But this results in equal and opposite >junctions. Thus, you cannot make a continuous current this way, unless >the junctions are at different temperatures. In which case, you have a >thermocouple. > >What happens if dissimilar metals are not in contact but rather separated >and exposed to an ionized gas consisting of an excess of either positive >or negative ions ? > >Because of the different work functions, I would expect that there would >be a difference of potential. Could this be used to make some kind of >gas-electrolyte battery ? > >The problem that immediately comes to mind when I consider this is the >reverse junction problem. The dissimilar metals would still have to >make contact somewhere in the circuit and therefore would create a >counter a voltage. But what if there was a way to alter one of the >contact potential so they were not equal and opposite. Could a magnetic >field alter a contact potential ? > >The inventor of the Testatika has stated that it will not work as well, >or at all, unless the metals plates in the "laden jars" (and other >parts) use perforated metal plate or screens. This would suggest to me >that air (or ion) flow is important for it to function. Also the >Methernitha people say the humidity has a big effect on the Testatika. >Part of the Testatika machine is a Wimhurst generator. Like other >electrostatic machines, Wimhurst generators are effected by moisture in >the air. Also it is difficult to sustain ionized air in high humidity >conditions. > >The Wimhurst machine in the Testatika no doubt produces large amounts of >ionized air. Perhaps the core of the "leyden jars" is an ion emitter >and the concentric dissimilar metal screens are for picking up the ions. > Maybe the strange magnet metal plate/plastic stack assemblies utilize >the TMB effect to make it all work ??? > >So maybe the Testatika is a kind of battery powered by the kinetic energy >of ionized air molecules. > >Rex, Please could you tell more details on how your 3 plate LED lighting >cell is constructed ? > >What happens when you ionize the air near the apparatus ? Maybe try >rubbing a balloon on a sweater or a cat. > >Tim >( tv@juno.com ) > > >On Sun, 8 Aug 1999 13:23:13 -0500 "atglab" writes: >>A milestone in TMB development, constant current output able to drive >>a >>green LED. This provided by a new 3 plate design. >> >>For update and photo; http://www.atgroup.org/tmb.htm >> >>Rex Allen. >> >> > >Tim >( tv@juno.com ) > > -- Hartmann Multimedia Service Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann WEB-Site: www.harti.com www.ccard.net email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 9 08:42:22 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id IAA22072; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 08:41:50 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 08:41:50 -0700 Message-ID: <37AEF717.EB197F23@microtec.net> Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 11:43:19 -0400 From: patrick tremblay X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: WORK FUNCTION References: <19990808.222742.-363081.0.tv@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"yMWZI2.0.nO5.zQlht"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11361 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi, What do you mean by work function, please explain. I am working on a battery and I need to know. thanks. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 9 09:14:07 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA00177; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 09:13:51 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 09:13:51 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 09:13:43 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: "freenrg-l@eskimo.com" Subject: flamers, bullies, Littleton In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990809030353.009789d0@pop.mindspring.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id JAA00128 Resent-Message-ID: <"XALz93.0.a2._ulht"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11362 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 9 Aug 1999, Rymel wrote: > For a group of people who are supposedly open-minded, this list is > extremely closed to anybody not in the know. > y'know for a group that's always up for 'constructive criticism' you > bite back pretty nasty when someone merely questions it. Yeah, it sucks. We are the people who've had our ideas and discoveries suppressed by people sneering and ridiculing us as if THEY were smart and WE were ignorant. So what happens next? We adopt sneering and ridicule as our tools! We find somebody who knows less than us, and turn on the sneering ridicule! It's like when abused children grow up to become abusive parents. Like when a downtrodden peasant becomes president, and they crush any peasant opposition with terrorism and torture. It's like a bullied nerd in school who grows up to become the vice principal who supports the jocks and smiles when nonconformists are beaten up. The victims of bullies can't wait to get a chance to be the bully and keep the nasty crap going, yet they have no awareness that this is what they're doing. The only way out of it is for us to REFUSE to do those things to others that have been done to us. The only way out is to take an honest look at ourselves and be disgusted. I find that most people look at themselves and like what they see, and it's because they are trying to repair their deflated egos by staying intentionally blind to all of their faults. It's ego tripping, and if we cannot see the disgusting patterns inside of us that are obvious to any outsiders, then we'll never have any need to change. My advice to everyone is to listen to your enemies, since they will give you a very honest analysis of everything that's wrong with you. And when we say "what's wrong with that idiot?!!", be aware that we ourselves will probably be pulling that same crap next week, but THEN it's ALRIGHT, see? It's only offensive when somebody else does it, not when we ourselves do it. Yeah, right. > I may not have > degrees in physics or whatever the hell you all have but i still find it > interesting. I bet that nobody on this list has a physics degree. I run this list and the website, and I'm mostly just a C programmer. We are all amateur researchers (some professional inventors), but are there any SCIENTISTS here? I mean degrees, funding, publications? No. Real scientists won't touch Free Energy. Only crackpots and crazies will take it seriously. I'm a crackpot/crazy/misfit, not a scientist. > Have you ever taken a look at what's gone on in news lately? The > Littleton incident where the kids threw pipe bombs and fired shotguns, > the clichéd term "hackers", little kids taking up programming daily. Do > you really think a stupid kid could create pipe bombs, find a source of > firearms & blackmarket goods, crack computer systems and create > programs? How do you think they do it so well or easily? It's because > we dont worry about the technicalities as much as you older people. Here's a brand new website devoted to collecting stories of peer abuse in the public schools. It looks like a good place for ostracized/misfit "science nerds" like us to do a bit of healthy venting. Or at least to discover that they're not alone. TALES FROM THE HELLMOUTH http://www.hellmouth.org Here's the archived discussion from the slashdot.org forum which inspired the above site. (slashdot.org is a cool place): JonKatz: Voices from the Hellmouth (large, 1.6 megs) http://slashdot.org/articles/99/04/25/1438249.shtml In the days after the Littleton, Colorado massacre, the country went on a panicked hunt the oddballs in High School, a profoundly ignorant and unthinking response to a tragedy that left geeks, nerds, non-conformists and the alienated in an even worse situation than before. Stories all over the country embarked on witchunts that amounted to little more than Geek Profiling. All weekend, after Friday's column here, these voiceless kids -- invisible in media and on TV talk shows and powerless in their own schools -- have been e-mailing me with stories of what has happened to them in the past few days. Here are some of those stories in their own words, with gratitude and admiration for their courage in sending them. The big story out of Littleton isn't about violence on the Internet, or whether or not video games are turning out kids into killers. It's about the fact that for some of the best, brightest and most interesting kids, high school is a nightmare of exclusion, cruelty, warped values and anger. TALES FROM THE HELLMOUTH http://www.hellmouth.org ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com http://www.amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com http://www.amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 9 09:20:01 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA02520; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 09:19:42 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 09:19:42 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 09:19:37 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: WORK FUNCTION In-Reply-To: <37AEF717.EB197F23@microtec.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"gQNAH1.0.3d.T-lht"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11363 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 9 Aug 1999, patrick tremblay wrote: > Hi, > > What do you mean by work function, please explain. I am working on a battery > and I need to know. Work-function is a voltage that any atom has, also any material has it. To remove one electron totally, it takes a certain voltage. Because of this, when two different metals are placed in contact, their W.F. voltages fight each other, and the *difference* in voltage appears across the metals. Touch copper to aluminum, and each aquires an opposite charge. It also works with electrolytes. Touch salt-water to metal, and the metal will become charged oppositely to the water. This voltage is created by the difference in work-function voltages between the atoms of the two different materials. In solar cells, the 0.7 volts is the difference in work-function between the N and P doped semiconductor. In thermocouples, the current appears because the work functions change with temperature, and if two metals are hot and in contact, the total voltage across them (the difference in their individual work-function voltages) will not be the same as the voltage of a cold junction between the same metals. ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. 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In case you decide to join the service, please don't forget to mention my referre's ID : DTJ-608 Thanks. --- Marcelo Puhl mark@plug-in.com.br From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 9 10:58:07 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA06407; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 10:57:54 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 10:57:54 -0700 Message-Id: <4.1.19990809135322.00978490@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: rymel@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 13:57:51 -0400 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rymel Subject: Re: OFF-TOPIC : http://www.alladvantage.com Cc: interact@Keelynet.com In-Reply-To: <199908091635.NAA17566@bigbox.plug-in.com.br> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"rTO3E.0.yZ1.YQnht"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11365 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: it does pay, but you have to keep a viewbar open above or below your browser open at any time you're using your browser in order for it to log your usage. the viewbar's about...1-1 1/2 inches tall and spans the width of the screen, and you can choose whether it's on top or bottom. forgot to mention that it takes a while for htem to authorize your ID, but if you want to get paid for goin online, go for it. little cheater you may as well exploit -- go to a site that has a reloading frame, so as far as the viewbar knows, you're 'actively' online...just go to bed, it'll rack up the money..it's 50 cents an hour, not much, but just hope people use your referral ID#, and refer others *cof*advertise on the site bill*cof* ;) At 01:33 PM 8/9/99 +00-03, Marcelo Puhl wrote: > >Hi, > >Sorry for the off-topic, but I'd like to know if this service really works. > >The site is at : > >http://www.alladvantage.com > >Any comments about it would be welcome. > >In case you decide to join the service, please don't forget to mention my >referre's ID : > >DTJ-608 > >Thanks. > > >--- >Marcelo Puhl >mark@plug-in.com.br From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 9 11:30:31 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA18299; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 11:30:17 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 11:30:17 -0700 From: "Martin" To: Cc: "Keelynet" Subject: Decrypting the Eclipse Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 20:30:21 +0200 Message-ID: <01bee295$3d239860$LocalHost@Martin.icon.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"kzcl9.0.qT4.uunht"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11366 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi For all of those of you interested in torsion pendulum experiment involving the eclipse have a look at the following pages on my site. http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/7919/Allais.htm http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/7919/Saxl.htm Regards Martin http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/7919/ _______________________________________________ We have enough gun control. What we need is idiot and criminal control. _______________________________________________ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 9 12:08:42 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA30406; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 12:08:22 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 12:08:22 -0700 Message-ID: <37AF277E.1814ADD4@microtec.net> Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 15:09:50 -0400 From: patrick tremblay X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: WORK FUNCTION References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Qncgq2.0.-Q7.bSoht"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11367 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: thanks very much bill, Now I understand better. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 9 12:19:18 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA01406; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 12:18:36 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 12:18:36 -0700 Message-ID: <37AF2B19.33DA@cyberportal.net> Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 15:25:13 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Power Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Radiant Energy Cell Safety Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"sPN1B3.0.pL.Bcoht"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11368 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Good afternoon. According to the periodic table, Thorium 232 decays by Alpha emission. Does this make this material difficult to handle? Jonghwa Chang wrote: >I am sorry for delayed reply. I was on summer vacation last week. >Anyway, Th-232 is natural thorium. If you handle only small amount, >it not very toxic. What you need is only normal rubber globe and a >mask. >Thorium alpha is much small that uran alpha. ----------------------------------- Jonghwa Chang, Nuclear Data Evaluation Lab. Korea Atomic Energy Research Institute, P.O. Box 105, Yusong, Taejon, Korea, 305-600 voice: +82-42-868-2884 fax: +82-42-868-2636 e-mail: jhchang@kaeri.re.kr alternate e-mail: jh_chang@hotmail.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 9 12:20:25 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA02049; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 12:20:05 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 12:20:05 -0700 Message-ID: <37AF2A40.A09FD28@microtec.net> Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 15:21:36 -0400 From: patrick tremblay X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: flamers, bullies, Littleton References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"3lsnc.0.wV.bdoht"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11369 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I agree to not hit others, But frustration can be a good source of creativity and motivation. So I was bullied and it gave me the desire of power at first to bully others myself, but next it's for control and stop others to bully others. SO if you were bullied, don't throw away your frustrations in the garbage like that and end up been bullied for nothing, take that frustration and become powerful yourself, just the fact of being great in front of your earlier bullies will make them regret and that's enough. You don't have to hit them back yourself, but now you are their boss and you can control them, and that's great. Also, not just bullies but poverty and sickness and ignorance can be frustrative situations. So go out, take your frustrations and attack the source. Fight illnesses that threated you and killed your friends and loved ones. Put all the school text on the internet so in the future we will not have to go to school and endure the real bullies: the system, and when you are big let your earlier bullies know it so they can feel small and you avenged without having to do dirty things yourself. All the people that bullied Bill Gates today feel sorry about it. SO think twice before putting an awesome power to the garbage. William Beaty wrote: > On Mon, 9 Aug 1999, Rymel wrote: > > > For a group of people who are supposedly open-minded, this list is > > extremely closed to anybody not in the know. > > > > > y'know for a group that's always up for 'constructive criticism' you > > bite back pretty nasty when someone merely questions it. > > Yeah, it sucks. > > We are the people who've had our ideas and discoveries suppressed by > people sneering and ridiculing us as if THEY were smart and WE were > ignorant. So what happens next? We adopt sneering and ridicule as our > tools! We find somebody who knows less than us, and turn on the sneering > ridicule! It's like when abused children grow up to become abusive > parents. Like when a downtrodden peasant becomes president, and they > crush any peasant opposition with terrorism and torture. It's like a > bullied nerd in school who grows up to become the vice principal who > supports the jocks and smiles when nonconformists are beaten up. The > victims of bullies can't wait to get a chance to be the bully and keep the > nasty crap going, yet they have no awareness that this is what they're > doing. > > The only way out of it is for us to REFUSE to do those things to others > that have been done to us. The only way out is to take an honest look at > ourselves and be disgusted. I find that most people look at themselves > and like what they see, and it's because they are trying to repair their > deflated egos by staying intentionally blind to all of their faults. It's > ego tripping, and if we cannot see the disgusting patterns inside of us > that are obvious to any outsiders, then we'll never have any need to > change. My advice to everyone is to listen to your enemies, since they > will give you a very honest analysis of everything that's wrong with you. > And when we say "what's wrong with that idiot?!!", be aware that we > ourselves will probably be pulling that same crap next week, but THEN it's > ALRIGHT, see? It's only offensive when somebody else does it, not when we > ourselves do it. Yeah, right. > > > I may not have > > degrees in physics or whatever the hell you all have but i still find it > > interesting. > > I bet that nobody on this list has a physics degree. I run this list and > the website, and I'm mostly just a C programmer. We are all amateur > researchers (some professional inventors), but are there any SCIENTISTS > here? I mean degrees, funding, publications? No. Real scientists won't > touch Free Energy. Only crackpots and crazies will take it seriously. > I'm a crackpot/crazy/misfit, not a scientist. > > > Have you ever taken a look at what's gone on in news lately? The > > Littleton incident where the kids threw pipe bombs and fired shotguns, > > the clichéd term "hackers", little kids taking up programming daily. Do > > you really think a stupid kid could create pipe bombs, find a source of > > firearms & blackmarket goods, crack computer systems and create > > programs? How do you think they do it so well or easily? It's because > > we dont worry about the technicalities as much as you older people. > > Here's a brand new website devoted to collecting stories of peer abuse in > the public schools. It looks like a good place for ostracized/misfit > "science nerds" like us to do a bit of healthy venting. Or at least to > discover that they're not alone. > > TALES FROM THE HELLMOUTH > http://www.hellmouth.org > > Here's the archived discussion from the slashdot.org forum which inspired > the above site. (slashdot.org is a cool place): > > JonKatz: Voices from the Hellmouth (large, 1.6 megs) > http://slashdot.org/articles/99/04/25/1438249.shtml > > In the days after the Littleton, Colorado massacre, the country went > on a panicked hunt the oddballs in High School, a profoundly ignorant > and unthinking response to a tragedy that left geeks, nerds, > non-conformists and the alienated in an even worse situation than > before. Stories all over the country embarked on witchunts that > amounted to little more than Geek Profiling. All weekend, after > Friday's column here, these voiceless kids -- invisible in media and > on TV talk shows and powerless in their own schools -- have been > e-mailing me with stories of what has happened to them in the past few > days. Here are some of those stories in their own words, with > gratitude and admiration for their courage in sending them. The big > story out of Littleton isn't about violence on the Internet, or > whether or not video games are turning out kids into killers. It's > about the fact that for some of the best, brightest and most > interesting kids, high school is a nightmare of exclusion, cruelty, > warped values and anger. > > > > TALES FROM THE HELLMOUTH > http://www.hellmouth.org > > ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) > William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website > billb@eskimo.com http://www.amasci.com > EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science > Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L > > ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) > William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website > billb@eskimo.com http://www.amasci.com > EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science > Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 9 13:01:15 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA18358; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 13:00:48 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 13:00:48 -0700 Message-ID: <37AF34FC.467B@cyberportal.net> Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 16:07:24 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Power Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Are Testatika and TMB related ? References: <19990808.222742.-363081.0.tv@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"QhDmA.0.kU4.mDpht"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11370 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Tim, If it is any help to you it was confirmed to me that an antenna was connect to the Testatika. The movie demonstration also shows a bare wire insulated by ceramic insulators running up the side of a granite wall. This indicates to me that this device was electrostically powered. The two revolving discs may be flywheels to regulate the output frequency. -BAP tv@juno.com wrote: > > Rex, thank you for sharing this interesting discovery of the TMB. > > It occurred to me when I saw your post that the TMB might be related to > principle of the Testatika machine invented by members of the Christian > community known as Methernitha in Switzerland. > > The Testatika also employs stacks of dissimilar metal plates. One part > of the Testatika has a stack of dissimilar metal plates with clear > plastic or glass between the plates. The whole assembly is also placed > between the poles of what looks like a horseshoe magnet. It is also > said that perforated dissimilar metal plates are used in the large > "leyden jars". > > The people from Methernitha claim that the Testatika extracts energy from > air. It is also claimed that it cools the air in the process. If this > is true, it would tell me that it is somehow cohering (ordering) thermal > fluctuation energy. In other words it is deriving useful high grade > energy in the form of electricity from the kinetic energy of air > molecules. This leads me to a number of speculations. > > As Bill says on his TV shows, PLEASE CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING............ > > It is well known that it takes a certain amount of energy to remove an > electron from the surface of a metal. This is called the work function. > Different metals have different work functions. > > If two uncharged dissimilar metal objects make contact, electrons will > flow from the metal with the smaller work function to the metal with the > greater work function. The potential difference (voltage) between the > metal objects quickly reaches the difference of contact potentials and > the current stops as equilibrium is reached. > > One might think that you could build a circuit of dissimilar metals and > get a continuous current. But this results in equal and opposite > junctions. Thus, you cannot make a continuous current this way, unless > the junctions are at different temperatures. In which case, you have a > thermocouple. > > What happens if dissimilar metals are not in contact but rather separated > and exposed to an ionized gas consisting of an excess of either positive > or negative ions ? > > Because of the different work functions, I would expect that there would > be a difference of potential. Could this be used to make some kind of > gas-electrolyte battery ? > > The problem that immediately comes to mind when I consider this is the > reverse junction problem. The dissimilar metals would still have to > make contact somewhere in the circuit and therefore would create a > counter a voltage. But what if there was a way to alter one of the > contact potential so they were not equal and opposite. Could a magnetic > field alter a contact potential ? > > The inventor of the Testatika has stated that it will not work as well, > or at all, unless the metals plates in the "laden jars" (and other > parts) use perforated metal plate or screens. This would suggest to me > that air (or ion) flow is important for it to function. Also the > Methernitha people say the humidity has a big effect on the Testatika. > Part of the Testatika machine is a Wimhurst generator. Like other > electrostatic machines, Wimhurst generators are effected by moisture in > the air. Also it is difficult to sustain ionized air in high humidity > conditions. > > The Wimhurst machine in the Testatika no doubt produces large amounts of > ionized air. Perhaps the core of the "leyden jars" is an ion emitter > and the concentric dissimilar metal screens are for picking up the ions. > Maybe the strange magnet metal plate/plastic stack assemblies utilize > the TMB effect to make it all work ??? > > So maybe the Testatika is a kind of battery powered by the kinetic energy > of ionized air molecules. > > Rex, Please could you tell more details on how your 3 plate LED lighting > cell is constructed ? > > What happens when you ionize the air near the apparatus ? Maybe try > rubbing a balloon on a sweater or a cat. > > Tim > ( tv@juno.com ) > > On Sun, 8 Aug 1999 13:23:13 -0500 "atglab" writes: > >A milestone in TMB development, constant current output able to drive > >a > >green LED. This provided by a new 3 plate design. > > > >For update and photo; http://www.atgroup.org/tmb.htm > > > >Rex Allen. > > > > > > Tim > ( tv@juno.com ) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 9 13:13:33 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA24341; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 13:12:52 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 13:12:52 -0700 X-Sender: leoguitar@pop3.vossnet.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net, freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Re: Are Testatika and TMB related ? Date: Mon, 9 Aug 99 21:10:17 +0100 Message-Id: <990809211017168300@odin.dreams.de> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id NAA24318 Resent-Message-ID: <"2owDP1.0.Ey5.3Ppht"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11371 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 16:07 09.08.99 -0400, nuenergy@cyberportal.net wrote: >Tim, > >If it is any help to you it was confirmed to me that an antenna >was connect to the Testatika. >The movie demonstration also shows >a bare wire insulated by ceramic insulators running up the side >of a granite wall. This indicates to me that this device was >electrostically powered. It is true, that you can see inside the movie a wire running around a grannite wall via an insolatro, but this part of the movie is in no way related to the Testatika. They just say in the movie: "We are using the old dumped collected stuff that society no longer needs and recycle them..." All the Testatika machines work just with their setup an don´t need any long wires outsides. This was confirmed to me by a number of visitors... Also your claims, that it uses Radium Chloride was just a claim of you with NO proof and I wonder, how you put these claims onto the lists and never have a proof of it... I remember the MRA, there you also claimed many ways overunity output power and finaly it only was a measurement error. >The two revolving discs may be flywheels >to regulate the output frequency. No, these are used to generate the HV via the Wimshurst effect. Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann WEB-Site: www.harti.com www.ccard.net email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 9 13:24:35 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA28374; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 13:22:20 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 13:22:20 -0700 Message-ID: <37AF3A01.402F@cyberportal.net> Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 16:28:49 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Power Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com CC: Peter Nielsen Subject: Star-mode Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"zTB003.0.Bx6.yXpht"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11372 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Peter, I demonstrated this at the International Tesla Symposium last year. Later, I had a validation program running from my website. These electrodes were sent out for people to test and validate my research. Even though non-disclosures were signed this aspect of my work got swiped from one of the big boys. They are now getting a patent on what I had publicly demonstrated. Details can be seen at... http://www.dasa.com/dasa/index_e.htm?/dasa/e/ri/trauen/fusion/fusion.htm Even more recently, http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1999/07/990706070354.htm I have been saying this publicly since 1996. What is really dishearting is that I have received not one phone call even to offer me a job in one of these labs. No mention of who is the pioneer. The research ends up with a new name and the PH.D gets the credit. What really drives the nails deep is when so called peers cheer for these bad guys. I have always be open with my research. It has been my hope that by being public with my research that it would not be "suppressed." That it would not matter that I do not have a formal education. Too many times I have been bitten by snakes. Eventually the blood becomes bitter. -BAP > >3. The star chamber was demonstrated using specially coated electrodes. >"Star-mode" was demonstated in ordinary air. > Is any further information available on this device? Thanks for your response. Peter Nielsen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 9 13:36:45 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA01486; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 13:36:26 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 13:36:26 -0700 X-Sender: leoguitar@pop3.vossnet.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, atgroup@atgroup.org From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Re: Are Testatika and TMB related ? Cc: atglab@atgroup.org Date: Mon, 9 Aug 99 21:33:53 +0100 Message-Id: <990809213353169000@odin.dreams.de> Resent-Message-ID: <"VGeVD2.0.7N.9lpht"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11373 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi, I tried also today a rough setup with 2 plates, one Copper (about 4 mm diameter) and one another zinced iron plate (just 1 mm diameter) with using ferrite magnets.. As I tried it just at a friends place, where we did not have much more than a simple analog voltmeter, we could just observe a charge of 2 or 3 mV on a 1 uF (63Volts) capacitor.. I will now try some different metals and some aluminium mesh wire I bought today. I also got Polycarbonat plates, maybe this will get any effect. What is the circuit diagram of your successful LED test ? What material are the 3 plates and how did you stack them ? Best regards, Stefan. At 22:10 08.08.99 -0700, freenrg-l@eskimo.com wrote: >Rex, thank you for sharing this interesting discovery of the TMB. > >It occurred to me when I saw your post that the TMB might be related to >principle of the Testatika machine invented by members of the Christian >community known as Methernitha in Switzerland. > > -- Hartmann Multimedia Service Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann WEB-Site: www.harti.com www.ccard.net email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 9 13:39:29 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA02656; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 13:39:11 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 13:39:11 -0700 Message-ID: <37AF3DFE.77F@cyberportal.net> Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 16:45:50 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Power Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stefan Hartmann CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Are Testatika and TMB related ? References: <990809211017168200@odin.dreams.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"uQ5yz1.0.Lf.knpht"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11374 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Stefan Hartmann wrote: > > All the Testatika machines work just with their setup an > don´t need any long wires outsides. I was told just last week that there is a wire leading up to the device. This was an eye witness account. > > This was confirmed to me by a number of visitors... > > Also your claims, that it uses Radium Chloride > was just a claim of you with NO proof and > I wonder, how you put these claims onto the > lists and never have a proof of it... I want to clear this one up right here and now. It was never my claim that the Testatika used Radium Chloride. It was a claim by Dr. Camus. You do not see this claim on my website now do you? It was a mistake on my part to post his claims in the first place. I believed him because he is a doctor of Physics. If you recall, after I pulled the Camus claim a statement was issued by me pointing out that adding radioactive material to two capacitor plates would discharge any charge that were to be placed on them. Dr. John Moreland at the time was going around telling people that he had me place radioactive material between two capacitor plates and that I got power from this experiment. He further stated at an INE lecture that this is how he thought the Hendershoot device worked. This idea came from some of my notes that he read and was a misinterpretation. -Bruce A. Perreault From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 9 14:11:35 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA14644; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 14:11:18 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 14:11:18 -0700 Message-ID: <37AF4584.5DBE@cyberportal.net> Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 17:17:56 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Power Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: D Adams CC: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Orgone Energy Crystals References: <002a01bee141$3b0d3e00$8e5cadd1@default> <37ACEC48.DA86B4E7@keelynet.com> <37AD18E7.24C3@cyberportal.net> <37AF3E34.E2AA1E8D@telusplanet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"tjQLA3.0.ja3.rFqht"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11375 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: D Adams wrote: > > Bruce, can you elaborate on the 'orgone crystal'? Enclosed is part of the report that I have. What I have not posted here is the procedure to obtain these materials from certain rock scrapings. I will post this at a later date if this material is well received. I have not yet typed out the rest of this report. I will finish typing the report if there is interest. -BAP --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In The Oranur Experiment and The Blackening Rocks (OEB III. V, 1951, 1953) Wilhelm Reich described his discovery of DOR and Melanor. In this report, he told how a black, nauseating corrosive "substance" attacked crystalline rock, resulting in the rocks disintegrating, turning black and causing severe excitation in the surrounding atmosphere. Mr. Robert A. McCullough, formally with the New Hampshire Fish and Game Department and the University of New Hampshire, had been assisting Reich in various tasks of his research since 1952. McCullough sent Reich a preliminary analysis of Orite, a white substance he had found on brick walls at the University of New Hampshire. It followed from this chemical analysis, that in 1953 first steps towards a more complex chemistry were pursued. Results were most promising, and Mr. McCullough demonstrated an instinctive understanding for the basic nature of this new chemistry by sending that first rough analysis. Therefore in June 1953, arrangements were made for Mr. McCullough to go to Orgonon in Rangely, Maine on a grant basis to conduct the necessary chemical analysis of Melanor, Brownite and Orite. When McCullough first arrived at Reich’s Laboratory he found that many of the rocks composing the Observatory walls were black. Others were various shades of brown and reddish-brown; while still others were white. Many rock surfaces were deeply pock-marked--even to the extent that large holes in rock surfaces were observed. The texture and hardness of the rocks varied considerably. The black, with two exceptions, was very hard, thin and confined usually to the surface. Where it was also in the interior, it was in hard black crystals. The two exceptions mentioned were found in deep crevices away from light and air. They were soft powdery black--soot like substances. The brown coloration was invariably softer--sometimes they were as soft as talc. The brown was found either on the surface, under black, and or over the white. The brown rocks had areas in them that were the soft brown material that could be scraped out to a depth of 1˝ and 2 inches. The white material was usually under the brown and graded imperceptibly into it. However, several rocks were white in their entirety. The texture of the white varied from a talc-like softness to a quartz like hardness. It is believed that T.H. Moray found this soft talc-like variety at Abisko Sweden, later called the "Moray stone." All rocks containing silica (SiO2) in the Observatory walls were affected: granites, quartz, slates, schist’s, gneiss’s, quartzite’s, and sandstone’s. Other disintegration processes were taking place. However, McCullough’s report confines these to three basic processes: black, brown and white. These have been isolated by Wilhelm Reich and named by him--Melanor, (Me) Brownite (Br) and Orite (Or), respectively. Collections of these different substances were made by scraping the various rocks into labeled vials and storing each kind separately from the other. Reich advised that the rock scraping should be limited to about one hour each day and omitted entirely on rainy days or on days of bad DOR conditions. This DOR condition is present when atmospheric clouds are blackened. Such limitation was necessary because of the orgone energy emanating from the Melanor affected rocks. Melanor does not radiate radiation that affects a Geiger-Muller counter. However, energy radiated reacted with Organic materials with severe excitation in a manner that was not then understood. Melanor rocks that were not scraped, held 2-3 cm. away from the palm felt hot and gave a prickling sensation to the outstretched tongue. Scraped or hammered Melanor rocks, on the other hand, had these effects increased many times. An intense pressure would soon build up in the head, especially around the base of the skull after only a few minutes of scraping the face would become flushed and burning. Following Reich’s advice, relief was found only with fresh air and frequent wetting down of the face and hands. It was as if the rocks or the Melanor reacted to the scraping. The Brownite rocks usually did not affect one in this manner, although the darker ones did to some extent. The Orite rocks did not give a headache or flushed face; however, Reich advised that a form of paralysis would result from overexposure to Orite. Qualities of Melanor, Brownite and Orite Color: Melanor is black. Where it is found as a gray, the gray is due to a mixing of Melanor with the white Orite; were brownish, this is due to mixing with Brownite. Orite is white and also grades towards gray or tan. Brownite ranges from a dark brown to a light tan. Hydrogen Ion Concentration: Melanor gives an acid reaction to pH indicators with the usual range between pH 3 and pH 5. Orite is alkaline with the usual range between pH 8 and pH 11. The pH of Brownite is either neutral (7) or within one point of it. Color and pH are quite closely related. The ash of Melanor is acidic (pH 3.6--3.8) and that of Orite is alkaline (pH 10). The ash of neutral Brownite, however, is just as acidic as that of Melanor. Solubility: Melanor is completely soluble is strong mineral acids, partly soluble in water and completely insoluble in bases. The insoluble residue resulting from dissolving Melanor in water is black, while the residue resulting from dissolving the residue from evaporated solution is white--in part crystalline and in part an amorphous powder. The non-crystalline powder turns yellow in time, as does the aqueous solution. When an aqueous solution of Melanor is made basic, the Melanor immediately precipitates out as a blue-green flaky precipitate. Within the course of several hours this blue-green precipitate turns bright orange-red. It dissolves again upon reacidification. Orite has a variable solubility depending on the source from where it was obtained. The more soluble samples are partially soluble in acids and completely soluble in water and bases. The less soluble samples are only slightly soluble in any solvent. The soluble aqueous solutions are colorless and the basic ones are light yellow in color. Brownite is only partially soluble in acidic, aqueous and basic solvents. In all cases it gives a yellow solution. The acid solution appears to be identical with an acid solution of Melanor--resulting in the same color-changing precipitate with the addition of a base. Autoclaved solutions of Orite and Brownite will in the course of several months develop growths of green Life-forms. It has been impossible to do this with any Melanor solution. Oxidation--Reduction: Melanor is a very strong reducing agent. It has a strong "hunger" for oxygen (Reich). In view of the apparent antithesis of Melanor and Orite, it was expected that Orite would prove to be an oxidizing agent. Such was not the case. It has shown no oxidizing action. However, oxidizing anions have been found in Orite. Brownite has shown neither reducing nor oxidizing action. Fluorescence: Melanor is non-fluorescent either in its natural state or in aqueous solutions. In addition, when filter paper is soaked with a Melanor solution and dried, the natural-white fluorescence of the paper is inhibited. Orite fluoresces bluish-white as a dry powder and yellow in aqueous solutions. Brownite fluoresces yellow in aqueous solutions, but shows no fluorescence as a dry powder. Summation: The chemical investigations have borne out this: Melanor is acidic; Orite basic; and Brownite neutral. Melanor is black; Orite white; and Brownite brown. Melanor is soluble in acids; Orite in water and bases; and Brownite partially in all. Melanor is non-fluorescent; Orite is fluorescent; and Brownite partially fluorescent. Melanor is a reducing agent and dehydrating agent; Orite and Brownite are not. Melanor has predominately acidic cations and anions; Orite has basic cations and anions; and Brownite has a mixture of both. ORENE (Oe) is the designation Wilhelm Reich gave to a substance discovered by him in 1953 in the course of the Oranur Experiment, which appears to speed up the decay process of radioactive materials. Reich’s laboratory techniques describe certain means for collecting Orene from the atmosphere and or extracting it from Melanor material. They are not complete but offer enough data to produce Orene. Reich says that the white Orene material should never be allowed to dry out, since in its dry form, this material appears to be noxious. Flushing the dry form into a sink with copious water appears to safely remove the noxious effects. Melanor screenings are kept in Mason jars until used. These jars should be stored away from any used buildings as they would contaminate it. Reich warns never attempt to heat this material to dry it. Severe excitation results from any applied heat over 100ş F. CAUTION: At no time should heat in any form be applied to the ORENE. Standard basic yellow ORENE is not stable and must be refrigerated in an open container. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 9 14:15:26 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA16478; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 14:15:09 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 14:15:09 -0700 Message-ID: <37AF466D.3071@cyberportal.net> Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 17:21:49 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Power Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Orgone Energy Crystals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"tFRWx1.0.M14.SJqht"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11376 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: * note... this was added by me to the text. It was not in the original report. It is believed that T.H. Moray found this soft talc-like variety at Abisko Sweden, later called the "Moray stone." -BAP From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 9 14:34:04 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA21478; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 14:33:44 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 14:33:44 -0700 Sender: THohnsbein@csi.com Message-ID: <37AF4901.6ACE128@csi.com> Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 23:32:49 +0200 From: Tameer Hohnsbein X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [de] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Sustained TMB Current References: <000701bee1cb$146497a0$bc57fea9@y9g6r3> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"zh-Tm3.0.VF5.taqht"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11377 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Rex, This is really amazing. The design of the plates looks a bit like an orgon accumulator with its different layers, except the different materials and the magnets oc course. What other different material have you tried yet ? What might happen to an orgon accumulator sandwich being exposed to a magnetic field this way ? What I didn't quite understand from your website yet: in which way does the MFCV differ from the TMB ? What kind of material and where is the third plate in the picture with the LED? Between the two cardboard layers? greetings Tameer atglab schrieb: > > A milestone in TMB development, constant current output able to drive a > green LED. This provided by a new 3 plate design. > > For update and photo; http://www.atgroup.org/tmb.htm > > Rex Allen. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 9 14:34:11 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA21559; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 14:34:00 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 14:34:00 -0700 Sender: THohnsbein@csi.com Message-ID: <37AF491F.67925F43@csi.com> Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 23:33:19 +0200 From: Tameer Hohnsbein X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [de] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Sustained TMB Current References: <000701bee1cb$146497a0$bc57fea9@y9g6r3> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"t0-Ss.0.iG5.7bqht"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11378 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Rex, This is really amazing. The design of the plates looks a bit like an orgon accumulator with its different layers, except the different materials and the magnets of course. What other different material have you tried yet ? What might happen to an orgon accumulator sandwich being exposed to a magnetic field this way ? What I didn't quite understand from your website yet: in which way does the MFCV differ from the TMB ? What kind of material and where is the third plate in the picture with the LED? Between the two cardboard layers? greetings Tameer atglab schrieb: > > A milestone in TMB development, constant current output able to drive a > green LED. This provided by a new 3 plate design. > > For update and photo; http://www.atgroup.org/tmb.htm > > Rex Allen. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 9 15:22:07 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA06574; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 15:21:40 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 15:21:40 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 15:21:38 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Star-mode: the Farnsworth Fusor In-Reply-To: <37AF3A01.402F@cyberportal.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"FnFSM2.0.dc1.qHrht"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11379 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 9 Aug 1999, Bruce A. Perreault wrote: > Peter, > > I demonstrated this at the International Tesla Symposium last > year. The inertial-confinement fusion vacuum-tube was invented forty years ago by Philo Farnsworth: BSRF: The Farnsworth Fusor http://www.songs.com/philo/fusion/vassilatos.html If you avoid mentioning Farnsworth's work, and if you speak as if nobody else is exploring this topic, then your messages are somewhat dishonest. I realize that it's acceptable among inventors to hide the origins of new devices from the customer (it's better for business if everyone thinks that the product is NOT merely an improved version of somebody elses discovery.) However, it's different in science. In a science-forum we have much higher standards; we give attributions to the original sources of our work, and we maintain standards of honesty which are far, far higher than those in business or advertizing. This attitude is very bad for business, but then scientists are supposedly getting funding from somewhere, and don't need to use marketing techniques to sell products or attract investors. Also see the Farnsworth biography and Fusor page: http://www.songs.com/philo/fusion/index.html Bert Pool's Farnsworth patents http://www.ticnet.com/bertpool/philo/philo.htm > Later, I had a validation program running from my website. > These electrodes were sent out for people to test and validate > my research. These electrodes, were they vastly different than the ones in Farnsworth's devices, or the ones shown in Richard Hull's videos? If not, then I cannot see how anyone has stolen anything. You may have had a head start in working with Farnsworth's discoveries, but a well-funded lab could easily race ahead independantly. They just have to take the Fusor seriously. > Even though non-disclosures were signed this aspect > of my work got swiped from one of the big boys. They are now > getting a patent on what I had publicly demonstrated. Details > can be seen at... > > http://www.dasa.com/dasa/index_e.htm?/dasa/e/ri/trauen/fusion/fusion.htm Yes, these companies are ripping off Farnsworth (or perhaps his original patents have expired). What part of your own work are they stealing? If you and they both have based your work on Farnsworth's invention, then obviously your devices will be very similar. > Even more recently, > > http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1999/07/990706070354.htm > > > I have been saying this publicly since 1996. What is really dishearting > is that I have received not one phone call even to offer me a job in > one of these labs. No mention of who is the pioneer. Yeah, in some ways professional science sucks. Scientists distrust outsiders. They will have little to do with inventors, and they will tend to only give credit to other professional scientists. If you want to do modern science, you need to give up on being an inventor, and go work your way up through some University department. There aren't many other ways to do it, other than having science as a self-funded hobby. Inventors are businessmen, and necessarily must violate many parts of "Scientific Integrity", hence inventors and scientists tend to behave as natural enemies. > The research ends > up with a new name and the PH.D gets the credit. What really drives the > nails deep is when so called peers cheer for these bad guys. I suspect that the main reason for scientists' sudden acceptance of the Farnsworth Fusor is that Richard Hull has been widely publicizing Farnsworth's work, and has worked with the openminded physicist Dr. Robert Forward in building neutron generators. Once they see that a real scientist is working with a "taboo" device like the Fusor, then the "taboo" evaporates, and all the rest of the scientists want a piece of the action. ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com http://www.amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 9 15:27:02 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA09158; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 15:26:45 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 15:26:45 -0700 Message-ID: <002001bee2b6$7f297060$8b66fea9@y9g6r3> From: "atglab" To: References: <990809213353169000@odin.dreams.de> Subject: Re: Are Testatika and TMB related ? Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 17:26:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"jEzLx1.0._E2.aMrht"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11380 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: From: Stefan Hartmann To: ; Cc: Sent: Monday, August 09, 1999 3:33 PM Subject: Re: Are Testatika and TMB related ? > Hi, > > I tried also today a rough setup > with 2 plates, one Copper (about 4 mm diameter) and one another > zinced iron plate (just 1 mm diameter) with using ferrite > magnets.. The Sn plate we use is different from other compositions such as the compound used in food cans. What this means is that it will work to varying degrees. It is not important at this point that actual metallurgical makeup be set as a standard for similar duplication. > As I tried it just at a friends place, where we did not > have much more than a simple analog voltmeter, > we could just observe a charge of 2 or 3 mV > on a 1 uF (63Volts) capacitor.. > Well this may not be so off base, first insure that your capacitor is NOT and electrolytic, Mylar is fine. Electrolytics will not work (this will be at some point explained on our web site). Now for your meter, the input impedance should be a minimum of 10Meg Ohms, anything lower will decrease the charge accordingly. Remember that the basic first generation TMB's have a source impedance of around 12Meg ohms. > I will now try some different metals and some aluminium mesh > wire I bought today. > I also got Polycarbonat plates, maybe this will > get any effect. > If you wish to duplicae the TMB's a couple of points that govern the result; 1)The spacers used (the 2mm cardboard) are not of the corrugated type, this is the solid type as found on the back of many pads of writing paper. 2)The plastic film used is relatively unimportant (if very thin). The film is used to insure against galvanic action from moisture in the cardboard and to insure the magnets do not touch the metal plates. 3)Once you get over 10-15mv you can begin to repetitively discharge the cap and see the recharge action. 4)In the TMB design heat does play a roll. Take your unit and heat it to 40-45'C and see if your voltage climbs. Be sure you do not heat your capacitor when doing this. > What is the circuit diagram of your successful LED test ? > What material are the 3 plates and how did you stack them ? > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 9 15:42:31 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA14340; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 15:42:05 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 15:42:05 -0700 Message-ID: <37AF5ACD.3F1E@cyberportal.net> Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 18:48:45 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Power Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Star-mode: the Farnsworth Fusor References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"wL-U32.0.zV3.yarht"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11381 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Bill, I am not claiming to have invented "inertial confinement." It was when I viewed Richard Hull's video on Farnsworth's Fusion tube when it hit me that the same "star-mode" effect was produced between our specially coated electrodes. The big difference is that these electrodes are doing it in air. There is no "bugle effect" with these electrodes. These electrodes achieve perfect "ion recombination" without the Farnsworth grids. This is a real breakthrough. What I am claiming is a new way of achieving inertial confinement. I am sorry for not telling the whole story. I've got alot on my mind and often assume that the reader can read my mind. This is where I get into trouble. I give full details at my lectures. The segment in Richard Hull's video is played to show the star-mode effect in the fuser, revealing what "perfect ion recombination" is. I gave Richard Hull full credit when this video is presented. -Bruce A. Perreault William Beaty wrote: > > On Mon, 9 Aug 1999, Bruce A. Perreault wrote: > > > Peter, > > > > I demonstrated this at the International Tesla Symposium last > > year. > > The inertial-confinement fusion vacuum-tube was invented forty years ago > by Philo Farnsworth: > > BSRF: The Farnsworth Fusor > http://www.songs.com/philo/fusion/vassilatos.html > > If you avoid mentioning Farnsworth's work, and if you speak as if nobody > else is exploring this topic, then your messages are somewhat dishonest. > I realize that it's acceptable among inventors to hide the origins of new > devices from the customer (it's better for business if everyone thinks > that the product is NOT merely an improved version of somebody elses > discovery.) However, it's different in science. In a science-forum we > have much higher standards; we give attributions to the original sources > of our work, and we maintain standards of honesty which are far, far > higher than those in business or advertizing. This attitude is very bad > for business, but then scientists are supposedly getting funding from > somewhere, and don't need to use marketing techniques to sell products or > attract investors. > > Also see the Farnsworth biography and Fusor page: > http://www.songs.com/philo/fusion/index.html > > Bert Pool's Farnsworth patents > http://www.ticnet.com/bertpool/philo/philo.htm > > > Later, I had a validation program running from my website. > > These electrodes were sent out for people to test and validate > > my research. > > These electrodes, were they vastly different than the ones in Farnsworth's > devices, or the ones shown in Richard Hull's videos? If not, then I > cannot see how anyone has stolen anything. You may have had a head start > in working with Farnsworth's discoveries, but a well-funded lab could > easily race ahead independantly. They just have to take the Fusor > seriously. > > > Even though non-disclosures were signed this aspect > > of my work got swiped from one of the big boys. They are now > > getting a patent on what I had publicly demonstrated. Details > > can be seen at... > > > > http://www.dasa.com/dasa/index_e.htm?/dasa/e/ri/trauen/fusion/fusion.htm > > Yes, these companies are ripping off Farnsworth (or perhaps his original > patents have expired). > > What part of your own work are they stealing? If you and they both have > based your work on Farnsworth's invention, then obviously your devices > will be very similar. > > > Even more recently, > > > > http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1999/07/990706070354.htm > > > > > > I have been saying this publicly since 1996. What is really dishearting > > is that I have received not one phone call even to offer me a job in > > one of these labs. No mention of who is the pioneer. > > Yeah, in some ways professional science sucks. Scientists distrust > outsiders. They will have little to do with inventors, and they will tend > to only give credit to other professional scientists. If you want to do > modern science, you need to give up on being an inventor, and go work your > way up through some University department. There aren't many other ways > to do it, other than having science as a self-funded hobby. Inventors are > businessmen, and necessarily must violate many parts of "Scientific > Integrity", hence inventors and scientists tend to behave as natural > enemies. > > > The research ends > > up with a new name and the PH.D gets the credit. What really drives the > > nails deep is when so called peers cheer for these bad guys. > > I suspect that the main reason for scientists' sudden acceptance of the > Farnsworth Fusor is that Richard Hull has been widely publicizing > Farnsworth's work, and has worked with the openminded physicist Dr. Robert > Forward in building neutron generators. Once they see that a real > scientist is working with a "taboo" device like the Fusor, then the > "taboo" evaporates, and all the rest of the scientists want a piece of the > action. > > ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) > William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website > billb@eskimo.com http://www.amasci.com > EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science > Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 9 16:07:43 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA23284; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 16:07:30 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 16:07:30 -0700 Message-ID: <001b01bee2bc$2f523bc0$8b66fea9@y9g6r3> From: "atglab" To: References: <000701bee1cb$146497a0$bc57fea9@y9g6r3> <37AF491F.67925F43@csi.com> Subject: Re: Sustained TMB Current Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 18:08:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"9Oa_t.0.bh5.nyrht"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11382 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: From: Tameer Hohnsbein To: Sent: Monday, August 09, 1999 4:33 PM Subject: Re: Sustained TMB Current > Hi Rex, > This is really amazing. The design of the plates looks a bit like an orgon > accumulator Totally unknown to any of us is orgon as discussed on the various lists. > with its different layers, except the different materials and the magnets > of course. > What other different material have you tried yet ? We will place on the web site information as we can put it in a form usable. When we rush we goof and present data and statements which are general and offhand. We would prefer to describe both the TMB and MFVC on the site. > What might happen to an orgon accumulator sandwich being exposed to a > magnetic field this way ? > We have no idea. > What I didn't quite understand from your website yet: in which way does > the MFCV differ from the TMB ? The TMB is a precursor to MFVC, although has many attribute which are very different from MFVC. TMB's are temperature sensitive, MFVC's are not (within < 50'C, low temps not yet checked). Another distincsion is a voltage can be measured across a TMB when just the 1uf capacitor and a DVM is connected. A potential can not be measured across a MFVC until you start loading it will resistance below 47k ohms. >What kind of material and where is the third > plate > in the picture with the LED? Between the two cardboard layers? > In the MFVC picture at the top of its respective site, the third plate in on the extreme right magnet. A quick note, separation of all elements is crucial to the operation. To much spacing or two little has a great effect. Likewise the cells should be clamped together with plastic clamps to try and obtain a uniform compression of the plates against their respective surfaces. > greetings > Tameer > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 9 18:13:15 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA23993; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 18:12:36 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 18:12:36 -0700 X-Sender: knuke@mail.lcia.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: knuke@LCIA.COM (Michael T Huffman) Subject: Re: WORK FUNCTION Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 21:18:48 -0400 Message-ID: <19990810011848546.AAA262@mail.lcia.com@lizard> Resent-Message-ID: <"9eLfq1.0.os5.3otht"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11383 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Bill, I've been jumping around in my reading, came across this, and had an idea/question. One of the things that I've been keeping my eyes open for in my reading is for an inexpensive, easy-to-build, readily available materialwise way to built even a low performance solar cell. I really haven't had the time to even do any looking, but when I saw this post, it made me wonder if any fluid approaches had been tried. For example, if you took a plate of glass or clear plastic, and sandwiched two fluids of differing density and work function between another plate of glass, and kept it parallel with the ground would that work? The differences in density would keep the heavy fluid at the bottom and the lighter fluid at the top, and the electron transfers would take place at the interface. If you need a drawing, let me know, and I'll make one. If it worked, it would be super easy to build. Knuke Michael T. Huffman Huffman Technology Company 1121 Dustin Drive The Villages, Florida 32159 (352)259-1276 knuke@LCIA.COM http://www.aa.net/~knuke/index.htm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 9 18:21:54 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA27384; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 18:21:28 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 18:21:28 -0700 From: bpaddock@csonline.net (Bob Paddock) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Star-mode: the Farnsworth Fusor Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 20:36:57 -0400 Organization: is mostly via piles Reply-To: bpaddock@csonline.net Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Lines: 45 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.37Beta [95/NT] Resent-Message-ID: <"4WMyp1.0.jh6.Owtht"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11384 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >The inertial-confinement fusion vacuum-tube was invented forty years ago >by Philo Farnsworth: > > BSRF: The Farnsworth Fusor > http://www.songs.com/philo/fusion/vassilatos.html > >If you avoid mentioning Farnsworth's work, and if you speak as if nobody >else is exploring this topic >These electrodes, were they vastly different than the ones in Farnsworth's >devices, or the ones shown in Richard Hull's videos? FYI: To: bpaddock@csonline.net Subject: Re: Latest Fusor stuff (fwd) Bob Paddock wrote: > >The URL below is Stephen Coley's homepage on fusion. I sent him the > >never before, "webbed", Hirsch-Meeks fusor patent and some photos of my > >http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Launchpad/1017/ > > Is this going to be to 'official' Fusor page for now, or do > you have a URL of your own? *********************** I have no web page URL for my work. Stephen Coley's page will have a lot of my stuff on it in future. His page points to a lot of other fusion related sites where some of my work is to be found, also. Richard Hull -- For information on any of the following check out my WEB site at: http://www.biogate.com/bpaddock/ Chemical Free Air Conditioning/No CFC's, Chronic Pain Relief, Echofone, Electromedicine, Electronics, Explore!, Free Energy, Full Disclosure, KeelyNet, Matric Limited, Neurophone, Oil City PA, Philadelphia Experiment. http://www.uCOS-II.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 9 18:44:38 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA01939; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 18:44:21 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 18:44:21 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 18:44:20 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: WORK FUNCTION In-Reply-To: <19990810011848546.AAA262@mail.lcia.com@lizard> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"2LEn-.0.CU.rFuht"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11385 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 9 Aug 1999, Michael T Huffman wrote: > Hi Bill, > > I've been jumping around in my reading, came across this, and had an > idea/question. One of the things that I've been keeping my eyes open for in > my reading is for an inexpensive, easy-to-build, readily available > materialwise way to built even a low performance solar cell. Years ago I saw plans for just such a solar cell. It used a copper sheet which had been chemically corroded and was covered with black oxide. The black oxide was carefully cleaned off, leaving a red oxide underneath which formed the active surface. That's as far as I remember. The plate was immersed in some sort of electrolyte, there was another metal plate as well (different? similar?) and light was aimed at the copper, forming an electrochemical solar cell. The output energy was very low: great for a demo, but not so great for running major appliances. I vaguely recall seeing "solar cell plans" for sale on the internet. I bet they describe this same science project. Hey, why not do a web search? Doh! CAM6 - HOW TO BUILD A SOLAR CELL THAT REALLY WORKS -W Noon Walt Noon shows you how to quickly and inexpensively build a copper oxide photocell. The efficiency is not as high as modern silicon cells but then neither is the cost. You can crank out cells for pennies. Connect many cells in parallel and series and you can generate surprising amounts of power. The process requires only simple tools. The chemicals, like all chemicals, can be dangerous if mishandled but the worst is probably nitric acid which is used to clean the copper. This book will show you how to make a working cell, test it and gives you interesting projects to work on. 51/2 x 81/2 22 page booklet #4.30 ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com http://www.amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 9 19:32:10 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA19479; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 19:31:56 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 19:31:56 -0700 X-Sender: knuke@mail.lcia.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: knuke@LCIA.COM (Michael T Huffman) Subject: Re: WORK FUNCTION Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 22:38:09 -0400 Message-ID: <19990810023809968.AAA192@mail.lcia.com@lizard> Resent-Message-ID: <"ZDBJ41.0.Gm4.Syuht"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11386 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >Hey, why not do a web search? Doh! > > CAM6 - HOW TO BUILD A SOLAR CELL THAT REALLY WORKS -W Noon Walt Noon > shows you how to quickly and inexpensively build a copper oxide > photocell. The efficiency is not as high as modern silicon cells but > then neither is the cost. You can crank out cells for pennies. Connect > many cells in parallel and series and you can generate surprising > amounts of power. The process requires only simple tools. The > chemicals, like all chemicals, can be dangerous if mishandled but the > worst is probably nitric acid which is used to clean the copper. This > book will show you how to make a working cell, test it and gives you > interesting projects to work on. 51/2 x 81/2 22 page booklet #4.30 Hey what an idea! (the websearch) :) Thanks, I knew if anybody had seen whether or not this had been tried, you would be the one to ask. Also, what would be the difference in definition between work function and ionization potential? Knuke Michael T. Huffman Huffman Technology Company 1121 Dustin Drive The Villages, Florida 32159 (352)259-1276 knuke@LCIA.COM http://www.aa.net/~knuke/index.htm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 9 20:18:49 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA00469; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 20:18:12 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 20:18:12 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 20:18:09 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: WORK FUNCTION In-Reply-To: <19990810023809968.AAA192@mail.lcia.com@lizard> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"PetMr2.0.E7.pdvht"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11387 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 9 Aug 1999, Michael T Huffman wrote: > Also, what would be the difference in definition between work function and > ionization potential? I think they might be the same thing, although Work Function applies to solid objects, while I think Ionization Potential applies to single atoms? It takes a different frequency (energy) of UV light to knock electrons off a zinc atom, than to knock them off a zinc plate. ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com http://www.amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 9 20:51:31 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA09046; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 20:51:16 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 20:51:16 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990809234446.008832e0@world.std.com> X-Sender: mica@world.std.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 23:44:46 -0400 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Mitchell Swartz Subject: Re: WORK FUNCTION In-Reply-To: References: <19990810023809968.AAA192@mail.lcia.com@lizard> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"l9P2p3.0.BD2.q6wht"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11388 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >On Mon, 9 Aug 1999, Michael T Huffman wrote: > Also, what would be the difference in definition between work function and >> ionization potential? At 08:18 PM 8/9/99 -0700, William Beaty wrote: >I think they might be the same thing, although Work Function applies to >solid objects, while I think Ionization Potential applies to single atoms? >It takes a different frequency (energy) of UV light to knock electrons off >a zinc atom, than to knock them off a zinc plate. Not the same thing. Ionization Potential IP is the energy per unit charge to remove an electron from an atom to infinity (in the gendanken sense) ;-)X The work done [in electron volts] equals the ionization potential when the ionization potential is expressed in volts. The work function (EW) is the energy to transport electrons, or ions, between two volumes, from medium 1 to medium 2. e.g thermionic work function, = energy to eject electron from medium 1 - metal ---> to medium 2 volume around metal It is, of course, EW = EB - EF EB is the total work of free e- from binding forces of metal EF = Fermi level) Hope that helps. Mitchell Swartz From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 9 21:48:45 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA30032; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 21:48:26 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 21:48:26 -0700 From: tv@juno.com To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Cc: vortex-L@eskimo.com, atglab@atgroup.org Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 21:49:13 -0700 Subject: Testatika Principle Rediscovered ? Message-ID: <19990809.214922.-175669.0.tv@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 2.0.11 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-14,18-33,35-36,39-40,44-50,52-59,61-62,82-83,90-91,94-95,97-98,108-109,112-117 X-Juno-Att: 0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"NXa4m3.0.7L7.Pywht"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11389 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: With regard to the recent announcement by Rex of the ATGroup of the Thermal Magnetic Battery (TMG) and the Magnetic Flux Virtual Conduit (MFVC): http://www.atgroup.org/tmb.htm Please compare this to: http://utenti.tripod.it/~testatikmachine/principle Doesn't anybody else see the similarities ? What do you think about this Rex ??? Please Rex, if you have not yet caught the "inventors disease" please give more information so that others may duplicate successfully the LED driving device known as MFVC. Try to describe it as if a high school kid were going to build it. There are many areas for exploration with this. For example.... What are the effects of ionized air on the device ? What happens if the magnetic bias field is modulated ? What other metals might be used for the plates ? Do perforated plates work better ? What if the dielectric is a polarized electret ? What if the dielectric is piezoelectric or ferroelectric ? Does the device depend on temperature differences between its parts or can it operate at a uniform temperature ? Is the device negentropic, in other words does the device absorb heat from its environment in apparent violation of the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics ? Many possibilities exist, but it must firmly be establish that there is a true anomaly here and not some more conventional explanation. This can be done by widespread replication and verification. Otherwise all we have is another legend. Tim ( tv@juno.com ) ------------------------------------ If you are not familiar with the fascinating testatika machine, take a look at these web pages: http://www.overunity.de/devices.htm http://utenti.tripod.it/~testatikmachine/ http://colossus2.cvl.bcm.tmc.edu/~wje/free_energy/testatika.html There seem to be two rumors floating around about the Testatika machine and its possible power source. One theory is that it is somehow powered by radium chloride like the Hubbard coil a special transformer containing radium invented by Alfred Hubbard a young man from Seattle Washington who worked for a company that refined radium. The Hubbard coil produced enough power to run a motor boat. It was seen by numerous witnesses and reported extensively in the Seattle newspapers. It has recently been replicated and patented by Physicist Paul Brown. He demonstrated it publicly as well. As I understand it, the working principle is still not fully understood as it seems to extract more power from the radium than should be available. Paul calls the Hubbard coil, a resonant nuclear battery. Interestingly, Paul has done much recent work on another radioisotope power source called the contact potential cell which uses the current generated by dissimilar metals or semiconductors exposed to alpha or beta radiation. Last I heard, He is developing tiny cells that could power microchips. This would be useful for tiny miniaturized devices like microtransponders that could operate for decades without an outside power source such as a battery or solar cell. Incidently, this would be ideal for injectable microchip transponder tags. The dark side of this is it would be ideal for a "mark of the beast" electronic money system described in the book of Revelation. One researcher I talked to in Southern California claimed that he smuggled a miniature Russian made geiger counter into one of the demonstrations of the Testatika put on by Methernitha in late 1980's. He claimed the counter registered considerable radiation from the Testatika machine. He kept it hidden from his hosts view. Switzerland would certainly be a good place to find some extra radium watch dial paint sitting around. However, another possibility is that his geiger counter was being "fooled" by the ionized air. I know the one I have can give false hits with static electricity. The inventor Paul Baumann of Methernitha firmly denies that the Testatika contains any radioactive materials. The other theory about the Testatika is that it is powered by static electricity from the atmosphere picked up by some kind of antenna. There is a patents for extracting power from atmospheric electricity. I have seen pictures of a small motor powered by atmospheric electricity demonstrated by professor Jeffeminko (sp ?). One patent by a German inventor named Paulson described an elaborate system for tapping atmospheric power using balloon born antennas. This patent claimed considerable power in the multikillowatt range, but the antennas were very large and tall. Potentially very dangerous in a lightning storm. (punn intended) The antenna theory seems unlikely to me since it was reported that some of the small testatika machines could be moved while operating. It would seem that more people would have noticed the antenna. Perhaps the "TMB" discovery is the key ? Tim ( tv@juno.com ) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 9 23:10:51 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id XAA15316; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 23:10:33 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 23:10:33 -0700 Message-ID: <37AFD0F2.82DCE2DB@telusplanet.net> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 00:12:50 -0700 From: D Adams X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: SOLAR PRACTICAL? Re: WORK FUNCTION References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"nfYLt2.0.Dl3.P9yht"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11390 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Any one know how practical this would be? Assuming that a normal commercial solar array to power an average sized home would be approx $20,000.00 USD how much would it cost to construct a comparable array? Any ideas? Michael T Huffman wrote: > >Hey, why not do a web search? Doh! > > > > CAM6 - HOW TO BUILD A SOLAR CELL THAT REALLY WORKS -W Noon Walt Noon > > shows you how to quickly and inexpensively build a copper oxide > > photocell. The efficiency is not as high as modern silicon cells but > > then neither is the cost. You can crank out cells for pennies. Connect > > many cells in parallel and series and you can generate surprising > > amounts of power. The process requires only simple tools. The > > chemicals, like all chemicals, can be dangerous if mishandled but the > > worst is probably nitric acid which is used to clean the copper. This > > book will show you how to make a working cell, test it and gives you > > interesting projects to work on. 51/2 x 81/2 22 page booklet #4.30 > > Hey what an idea! (the websearch) :) Thanks, I knew if anybody had seen > whether or not this had been tried, you would be the one to ask. > > Also, what would be the difference in definition between work function and > ionization potential? > > Knuke > > Michael T. Huffman > Huffman Technology Company > 1121 Dustin Drive > The Villages, Florida 32159 > (352)259-1276 > knuke@LCIA.COM > http://www.aa.net/~knuke/index.htm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 9 23:26:14 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id XAA18988; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 23:26:01 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 23:26:01 -0700 From: "Peter Fred" To: Subject: Does the Sun's luminosity move the Earth or does its mass? and Big Wednesday Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 02:17:24 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bee2f8$04bcc740$258eadd1@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <19990809091116968.AAA189@mail.lcia.com@lizard> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"69EPV3.0.be4.vNyht"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11391 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: One thing that happens when the Moon gets in front of the Sun: A lot of sunlight is prevented from reaching the Earth. There seems to be evidence that weight does change during an eclipse. See in particular Saxl's paper: http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/7919/Saxl.htm). My heat-related gravity theory tells me that the gravitational force, which is easily observed in the outer portions of the Earth, has the function of resisting the flow of heat (ie the unit area heat flux). An eclipse decreases the amount of heat that Earth reradiates on the dayside. Because there is less outward flow of heat during a solar eclipse, less thermal resistance ie gravitational force is required to resist this flow of heat. In my laboratory or living room I make heat flow through a hemisphere in the steady state and I get a decrease in weight (~3.7 %). See http://www4.choice.net/~pbfred/ . My theory also requires that "things should get heavier in the night." The centripetal acceleration of the Earth is only 0.006 m/s^2. The surface gravity is 9.80 m/s^2. So if the surface gravity on the dayside is observed to be 9.80 m/s^2 and on the night side it is observed to be 9.8006 m/s^2, we would be well on our way in having a new explanation for how this 10^24 kg sphere moves from A to B. Allais has observed a diurnal variation in g. See http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/7919/Allais.htm. I had a friend observe a diurnal variation in g using a Hodowanec type capacitor. See http://www.t-link.net/~aquarius/gwrphome/circuits.htm for this type of capacitor. Peter Fred The NASA site about Big Wednesday is: http://science.nasa.gov/newhome/headlines/ast06aug99_1.htm There is an old wives tale that you should not weigh gold during an eclipse. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 9 23:53:04 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id XAA25062; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 23:52:48 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 23:52:48 -0700 From: "Peter Fred" To: Subject: The Sun's luminosity and my mistake: An increase in weight rather than a decrease during a solar eclicpe Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 02:44:13 -0400 Message-ID: <000101bee2fb$c27579a0$258eadd1@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000001bee2f8$04bcc740$258eadd1@default> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"YH3z3.0.S76.0nyht"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11392 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: The third paragraph has been rewritten. -----Original Message----- From: Peter Fred [mailto:pbfred@choice.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 1999 2:17 AM To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Does the Sun's luminosity move the Earth or does its mass? and Big Wednesday One thing that happens when the Moon gets in front of the Sun: A lot of sunlight is prevented from reaching the Earth. There seems to be evidence that weight does change during an eclipse. See in particular Saxl's paper: http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/7919/Saxl.htm). My heat-related gravity theory tells me that the gravitational force, which is easily observed in the outer portions of the Earth, has the function of resisting the flow of heat (ie the unit area heat flux). A solar eclipse cools the dayside of the Earth so when a test mass is in the shadow of the Moon, more heat can flow outward towards the sky. The increased outward heat flow requires more thermal resistance or gravitational force and thus the test mass should weigh more. Saxl did observe an increase in the pendulum period and thus this is evidence that the pendulum increased in weight. In my laboratory or living room I make heat flow through a hemisphere in the steady state and I get a decrease in weight (~3.7 %). See http://www4.choice.net/~pbfred/ . My theory also requires that "things should get heavier in the night." The centripetal acceleration of the Earth is only 0.006 m/s^2. The surface gravity is 9.80 m/s^2. So if the surface gravity on the dayside is observed to be 9.80 m/s^2 and on the night side it is observed to be 9.8006 m/s^2, we would be well on our way in having a new explanation for how this 10^24 kg sphere moves from A to B. Allais has observed a diurnal variation in g. See http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/7919/Allais.htm. I had a friend observe a diurnal variation in g using a Hodowanec type capacitor. See http://www.t-link.net/~aquarius/gwrphome/circuits.htm for this type of capacitor. In closing I should remark that I do not think it is a good idea to use a gravimeter and thermally isolate the test mass. Peter Fred The NASA site about Big Wednesday is: http://science.nasa.gov/newhome/headlines/ast06aug99_1.htm There is an old wives tale that you should not weigh gold during an eclipse. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 10 00:19:25 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id AAA31586; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 00:19:13 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 00:19:13 -0700 Message-ID: <37AFD2CE.A4511CF@technologist.com> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 00:20:46 -0700 From: Brian Snyder X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Testatika Principle Rediscovered ? References: <19990809.214922.-175669.0.tv@juno.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------B4437786709C857121C33445" Resent-Message-ID: <"CdUyE2.0.Pj7.n9zht"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11393 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: --------------B4437786709C857121C33445 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > There are many areas for exploration with this. For example.... > > What are the effects of ionized air on the device ? > > What happens if the magnetic bias field is modulated ? > > What other metals might be used for the plates ? > > Do perforated plates work better ? > > What if the dielectric is a polarized electret ? > > What if the dielectric is piezoelectric or ferroelectric ? > > Does the device depend on temperature differences between its parts or > can it operate at a uniform temperature ? > > Is the device negentropic, in other words does the device absorb heat > from its environment in apparent violation of the 2nd Law of > Thermodynamics ? > > Many possibilities exist, but it must firmly be establish that there is a > true anomaly here and not some more conventional explanation. This can > be done by widespread replication and verification. Otherwise all we > have is another legend. > > Tim > ( tv@juno.com ) > I agree... 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There are many areas for exploration with this.   For example....

What are the effects of ionized air on the device ?

What happens if the magnetic bias field is modulated ?

What other metals might be used for the plates ?

Do perforated plates work better ?

What if the dielectric is a polarized electret ?

What if the dielectric is piezoelectric or ferroelectric ?

Does the device depend on temperature differences between its parts or
can it operate at a uniform temperature ?

Is the device negentropic, in other words does the device absorb heat
from its environment in apparent violation of the 2nd Law of
Thermodynamics ?

Many possibilities exist, but it must firmly be establish that there is a
true anomaly here and not some more conventional explanation.  This can
be done by widespread replication and verification.  Otherwise all we
have is another legend.

Tim
( tv@juno.com )

I agree... There are a few of us that would like to help. --------------B4437786709C857121C33445-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 10 02:55:31 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id CAA16455; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 02:55:09 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 02:55:09 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 02:55:07 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Star-mode: the Farnsworth Fusor In-Reply-To: <37AF5ACD.3F1E@cyberportal.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"No-zt3.0.y04.zR_ht"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11394 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 9 Aug 1999, Bruce A. Perreault wrote: > Bill, > > I am not claiming to have invented "inertial confinement." > It was when I viewed Richard Hull's video on Farnsworth's > Fusion tube when it hit me that the same "star-mode" effect was > produced between our specially coated electrodes. The big difference > is that these electrodes are doing it in air. I recall that some of Richard Hull's devices used air (N2 O2). Or do you mean at one atmosphere, i.e. no vacuum system? If you are seeing amounts of neutrons rivalling the Farnsworth Fusor, but without low pressure, that certainly would be a very different device. > Even though non-disclosures were signed this aspect > of my work got swiped from one of the big boys. They are now > getting a patent on what I had publicly demonstrated. Details > can be seen at... > > http://www.dasa.com/dasa/index_e.htm?/dasa/e/ri/trauen/fusion/fusion.htm Such a theft is a very serious matter. Perhaps something can be done. What did they swipe specifically? ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com http://www.amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 10 03:54:03 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id DAA25161; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 03:53:51 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 03:53:51 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990810202631.008744b0@main.murray.net.au> X-Sender: egel@main.murray.net.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 20:26:31 +0900 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: GEOFF EGEL Subject: Re: Testatika Principle Rediscovered ? In-Reply-To: <19990809.214922.-175669.0.tv@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"7kdm52.0.296._I0it"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11395 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 09:49 PM 9/08/99 -0700, you wrote: >With regard to the recent announcement by Rex of the ATGroup of the >Thermal Magnetic Battery (TMG) and the Magnetic Flux Virtual Conduit >(MFVC): > >http://www.atgroup.org/tmb.htm > > Please compare this to: > >http://utenti.tripod.it/~testatikmachine/principle > Tried to get the second link but got what seemed to be an Italian version of tripod front page. is this the correct url Geoff ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------- Solaris searching for natures energy sources. Our main site http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135 my postal address as follows I am also on the lookout for something new free energy on the alternative energy scene can you help me out? anything you send my end up on this group of webpages for other to share as well. Geoff Egel 18 Sturt Street Loxton 5333 South Australia Australia ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------- Energy 21 website now resides at http://www.FortuneCity.com/greenfield/bp/16/index.html Bright Sparks website. http://www2.murray.net.au/users/egel/ NEW site where the unzipped contents of encyclopedia of free energy are on display. for those that have MACS or non IBM or clone machines. Alternator site at http://encyclopedia.educator.webjump.com/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 10 04:22:09 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id EAA29059; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 04:21:57 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 04:21:57 -0700 X-Sender: leoguitar@pop3.vossnet.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 2 (High) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, newman-l@emachine.com From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Re: my TMB experiments Cc: atgroup@atgroup.com Date: Tue, 10 Aug 99 12:18:05 +0100 Message-Id: <990810121805172300@odin.dreams.de> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id EAA29013 Resent-Message-ID: <"yb3AX2.0.y57.Lj0it"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11397 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >> Hi, >> >> I tried also today a rough setup >> with 2 plates, one Copper (about 4 mm diameter) and one another >> zinced iron plate (just 1 mm diameter) with using ferrite >> magnets.. > >The Sn plate we use is different from other compositions such as the >compound used in food cans. What this means is that it will work to varying >degrees. It is not important at this point that actual metallurgical makeup >be set as a standard for similar duplication. > Hi, the problem I have is, that I was at the weekend at my girlfriend´s place and there I have no real measurement equipment. I just went to a hardware store, bought a few fridge permanent magnets, disassembled them from their plastic skin and also bought various metal samples, where I did not know the exact metallurigal makeup of. I just took all different metal samples, I could get therr at the hardware store and I did not have many choices... For example, I don´t know, if my SN plate really is SN but not some kind of SN-iron alloy.. >> As I tried it just at a friends place, where we did not >> have much more than a simple analog voltmeter, >> we could just observe a charge of 2 or 3 mV >> on a 1 uF (63Volts) capacitor.. >> > >Well this may not be so off base, first insure that your capacitor is NOT >and electrolytic, Mylar is fine. Electrolytics will not work (this will be >at some point explained on our web site). > >Now for your meter, the input impedance should be a minimum of 10Meg Ohms, >anything lower will decrease the charge accordingly. Remember that the basic >first generation TMB's have a source impedance of around 12Meg ohms. Well anyway, here are my premilarly results with just a simple DC voltmeter having 20 KOHM/Volt: In the range I used: 0.15 Volts maximum display the voltmeter seem to have just a 3 KOhm inner resistance, so I get simular readings at the 0.5 and 1.5 Volts settings, cause there the inner resistance of the voltmeter is higher. So at the 1.5 Volts setting, I get 10 to 20 mVolts maximum reading, when putting the voltmeter across the charged 1 uF cap. > >> I will now try some different metals and some aluminium mesh >> wire I bought today. >> I also got Polycarbonat plates, maybe this will >> get any effect. >> I could not get any voltage at all using 2 Aluminium meshes as the plates with polycarbonat plates (about 5 mm thick) as the insolator. Also one iron plate and aluminium mesh did not result in any voltage at the capacitor ( 1 uF Siemens MKH, no electrolyte !) > >If you wish to duplicate the TMB's a couple of points that govern the result; > >1)The spacers used (the 2mm cardboard) are not of the corrugated type, this >is the solid type as found on the back of many pads of writing paper. Well, it seems it works best, if the cardboard is pretty thin. I used just one page of writing paper as the isolator and this resulted in about 2 to 3 mVolt at the 0.15 Volts voltmeter setting, when I used a 3 to 4 mm thick copper plate versus my Sn? plate (maybe Zn-iron). It is not a constant voltage, it discharge the 1 uF cap, when I put the voltmeter across it, but it builds up again after about 10 to 20 seconds. I can get a much better reading of the voltage, if I used an iron clamp as a back flux shortout and thus also clamped together the 2 plates and the magnets with it. Thus I had a much faster buildup of the charge and it also went some higher. It seems mechanical clamp pressure plays an important role here ! >2)The plastic film used is relatively unimportant (if very thin). The film >is used to insure against galvanic action from moisture in the cardboard and >to insure the magnets do not touch the metal plates. I had in one experiment tried to insolate the Copper plate with a plastic film, but then there is no charge buildup ! I just use only one piece of writing paper between the Cu and Sn plate as an isolator, the magnets just sit on the back of the plates with no isolation and this seems to work best. As these are Barium ferrite magnets, which have a very high DC resistance, there is no problem with this. At the end of the magnets is the iron clamp, that is doing the back flux shortout and the mechanical pressure clamping. > >3)Once you get over 10-15mv you can begin to repetitively discharge the cap >and see the recharge action. Yes, I can see that. > >4)In the TMB design heat does play a roll. Take your unit and heat it to >40-45'C and see if your voltage climbs. Be sure you do not heat your >capacitor when doing this. I will do that, when I look at it tonight with my scope at home at it, so I will be able to see a lot more... and with a higher DC scope resistance. I have a 100 MOhm scope head. > >> What is the circuit diagram of your successful LED test ? >> What material are the 3 plates and how did you stack them ? Don´t you want to publish this yet ? Will you at least soon sell a kit for it ? I tried some different setups with 3 plates and mixed metal plates, but did not suceed in getting anything else as described above. I could never get any arcing when I shorted my cap, I also tried a 100 uF electrolyte cap, but it just only charged up like the 1 uF cap, somekind slower although... It is really frustrating to know you can light an LED and my experiments just only seeing minimal cap charges... Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann WEB-Site: www.harti.com www.ccard.net email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 10 04:22:15 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id EAA29047; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 04:21:56 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 04:21:56 -0700 X-Sender: leoguitar@pop3.vossnet.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 2 (High) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, newman-l@emachine.com From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: An interesting coil experiment... Cc: atgroup@atgroup.com Date: Tue, 10 Aug 99 12:18:18 +0100 Message-Id: <990810121818172900@odin.dreams.de> Resent-Message-ID: <"p6UFF2.0.i57.Kj0it"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11396 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi, this weekend I also tried another experiment, when I wanted to replicate some kind of the MED battery experiment from Volker Hennig. I had a prebuild coil I got from a friend, which inductance parameters I did not yet measure, but it is a pretty big coil with 1 mm diameter Cu wire with about 1500 to 2000 windings on a 3 cm diameter plastic tube. The DC resistance is about 9 Ohm. Now I did put some insolated iron fence wire into the tube coil hole. It was 25 Meters of iron fence wire with 2 mm diameter. This now acts as an iron core and I soldered both ends of the iron wire together. Now I took a 15000 uF electrolyte capacitor and charged it up to 20 Volts DC. I just wanted to magnetize the iron fence wire as a VACE element. But this did not work out with this coil and this low DC voltage. When I had the iron fence wire at the ends not soldered yet together, I could see, that their permanent magnetism was rather weak... So I tried 40 Volts with 2 x 15000 uF charged in series ( I only had a 20 volts DC power supply) but this also did not result in a better remanenz magnetism of the fence wire... BUT: one interesting phenomen was seen: When I discharged the cap via the Cu coil with the iron fence wire core and I made the contact with my hand very sliding, so the contact was very short I observed, that there was a big spark at the contact and the voltage of the capacitor just did NOT drop much, sometimes only maybe 0.5 Volts sometimes even less ! It only depended, how I did the sliding contact and how the spark apeared ! When I made a contact without sliding the contacts and without any spark appearing, then the cap voltage just discharged in about 3 seconds very fast ! But when I produced the spark with a sliding contact, the voltage at the cap seemed not to discharge much or even at all, even when this huge spark apeared at the contacts which also needs a lot of loss power ! So it seems this is a confirmation of my previous thoughts, that the ZAEV effects, see: http://www.overunity.com/zaev is indeed more related to the mechanical commutator spark gap effects, than to a heat to electricity converter effect. This supports the claims of Correa and Chernetski, that arc discharges introduce overunity power into electrical circuits. Best regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann WEB-Site: www.harti.com www.ccard.net email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 10 05:52:12 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id FAA14279; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 05:51:51 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 05:51:51 -0700 Message-ID: <37B0215E.4DAC@cyberportal.net> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 08:55:58 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Power Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Star-mode: the Farnsworth Fusor (RUDE AWAKENING) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"P5hY13.0.yU3.c12it"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11398 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > > > > Bill, > > > > I am not claiming to have invented "inertial confinement." > > It was when I viewed Richard Hull's video on Farnsworth's > > Fusion tube when it hit me that the same "star-mode" effect was > > produced between our specially coated electrodes. The big difference > > is that these electrodes are doing it in air. > > I recall that some of Richard Hull's devices used air (N2 O2). Or do you > mean at one atmosphere, i.e. no vacuum system? If you are seeing amounts > of neutrons rivalling the Farnsworth Fusor, but without low pressure, that > certainly would be a very different device. The electrodes have to be immersed in deuterium gas, a mixture of deuterium and tritium, or helium-3 and deuterium. Neutrons can be created at a flip of a switch. I have named this arrangemnet the "Star-Chamber." Clean, safe, nuclear reactors could be designed using this discovery. What makes these electrodes different is that there is no electron leakage as there is when the Farnsworth grids are used. http://www.cyberportal.net/nuenergy/perwkshp.htm This was last years workshop. It is still on my server to serve as a record. > > I suspect that the main reason for scientists' sudden acceptance of the > Farnsworth Fusor is that Richard Hull has been widely publicizing > Farnsworth's work, and has worked with the openminded physicist Dr. Robert > Forward in building neutron generators. Once they see that a real > scientist is working with a "taboo" device like the Fusor, then the > "taboo" evaporates, and all the rest of the scientists want a piece of the > action. This is the gratitude that I get for contributing to this list. Has anyone even considered that I have something new here? > > > Even though non-disclosures were signed this aspect > > of my work got swiped from one of the big boys. They are now > > getting a patent on what I had publicly demonstrated. Details > > can be seen at... > > > > http://www.dasa.com/dasa/index_e.htm?/dasa/e/ri/trauen/fusion/fusion.htm > > Such a theft is a very serious matter. Perhaps something can be done. > What did they swipe specifically? The electrode design to create "star-mode" for neutron generating. I could be wrong... maybe they have perfected the grid sysyem, but I very much doubt this. We will see when the patent issues. > > Yeah, in some ways professional science sucks. Scientists distrust > outsiders. They will have little to do with inventors, and they > will tend to only give credit to other professional scientists. If > you want to do modern science, you need to give up on being an inventor, > and go work your way up through some University department. There aren't > many other ways to do it, other than having science as a self-funded > hobby. Inventors are businessmen, and necessarily must violate many parts > of "Scientific Integrity", hence inventors and scientists tend to behave > as natural enemies. I am both a scientist and inventor. I am stuck between two worlds. No, I do not "want to do modern science," it is on a clear path to nowhere. > > I realize that it's acceptable among inventors to hide the origins of > new devices from the customer (it's better for business if everyone > thinks that the product is NOT merely an improved version of somebody > elses discovery.) However, it's different in science. In a science-forum > we have much higher standards; we give attributions to the original > sources of our work, and we maintain standards of honesty which are far, > far higher than those in business or advertizing. This attitude is very > bad for business, but then scientists are supposedly getting funding from > somewhere, and don't need to use marketing techniques to sell products or > attract investors. You have given me a RUDE AWAKENING. This is a "science-forum?" In my eyes it is a blood-letting forum. "Higher standard?" Who's standard might that be? If it takes me selling products to fund my work then so be it. I am not going to feel guilty about this. You see, Jerry is correct about one point that he made, I can not make it any longer in the type of world that society has created. In my mind it is mindless, without ethics, suppressive, going in circles, you get the point. It is time that I take off my rose colored glasses given to me as a child. The world is not the pretty picture that was painted for me. I am tired of being "poked and prodded" as Reich would say. It seems like most members on this list are quite content with rehashing what already exists. This is fine, but it is not my piece of cake. I am an origional thinker and I march to a different drummer. Jerry is correct about one other point, I can not make it in your "real world," to your standards I am quite insane, crazy, eccentric, whatever you want to call me, call me what you will. If anyone cares to visit my world sometime I can be reached at mailto:nuenergy@cyberportal.net I will cling onto this list for a few days until the responses to my posts stop. I can now appreciate why Tesla made announcements only once per year. This sounds like a good plan to me... see you at my next Exotic Research Conference... Best Wishes, Bruce A. Perreault From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 10 05:53:18 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id FAA14459; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 05:53:04 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 05:53:04 -0700 Message-ID: <003001bee32f$3b4813a0$345895d1@premio> Reply-To: "Gene Marlin" From: "Gene Marlin" To: Subject: question: the Farnsworth Fusor Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 07:52:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"xJCv33.0.qX3.m22it"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11399 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >I recall that some of Richard Hull's devices used air (N2 O2). Or do you >mean at one atmosphere, i.e. no vacuum system? If you are seeing amounts >of neutrons rivalling the Farnsworth Fusor, but without low pressure, that >certainly would be a very different device. I first read about the Fusor in ANALOG magazine and was intrigued by the whole idea. Beginner question: why do they need a vacuum? At first glance it would seem that the denser your deuterium ions are, the more neutrons you'll produce. Is the vacuum required so that you can keep your atoms charged, or so that the field grids will be imparting their energy into a minimum number of particles to increase individual particle inertia, or both? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 10 06:00:45 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id FAA15874; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 05:56:08 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 05:56:08 -0700 X-Sender: knuke@mail.lcia.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: knuke@LCIA.COM (Michael T Huffman) Subject: Re: SOLAR PRACTICAL? Re: WORK FUNCTION Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 09:02:20 -0400 Message-ID: <19990810130220203.AAA267@mail.lcia.com@lizard> Resent-Message-ID: <"cEyA8.0.vt3.d52it"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11400 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Thanks Bill and Mitch for the work function/ionization potential info. >Any one know how practical this would be? Assuming that a normal commercial >solar array to power an average sized home would be approx $20,000.00 USD >how much would it cost to construct a comparable array? Any ideas? It would depend on what you used for materials, how much time it took you to build them, and how well they turned out. I am thinking along the lines of using junk, like copper wire from thrown away appliances, inverted baby food jars for containers, maybe something common like vinegar and salt mixed with water for the electrolyte, and a dab of 502 epoxy to plug any holes in the jar caps where the wires come out. This would cost next to nothing to try, get some meter readings from it, and then run the numbers to scale it up. Some of the cost of commercial units is in the inverter, which wouldn't be cheap. I've priced them at West Marine, and I forget what they are now, but off the top of my head, I think the one I was looking at was over a grand. If you want or even have enough electricity left over during peak generation hours to feed back into the grid, the circuitry for that is also a considerable expense. Another part the cost of commercial units is labor. If you had a steady load DC application that could be run separate from the main house current then it might be practical. When I worked in Alaska, we had a fuel barge that had to have running lights and an anchor light that had to be operative all the time. Rather than have a genset on the barge running all the time, we used a big marine battery that we just charged up for each light with a photoelectric switch that would turn the lights on at night. One good charge would last about six weeks. You could do something similar for driveway or patio lighting on a house using DC lamps, for example. After the initial construction, it would not cost you anything to operate, and you could skip the expense of an inverter. You can probably think of some other stand-alone applications that would reduce your energy draw from the grid. Down here in Florida, especially in these little communities like The Villages, a lot of people get around in golf carts. They do their shopping, banking, get mail, and visit friends, etc.. They have special roads, lanes, and bridges for them, so they are not just for golf. They don't use them all day generally, but when they do use them, they draw a lot of energy from the battery banks. A cheap solar cell array charger would be great for something like that, and it wouldn't need any inverter, either. The advantage of doing something like this as a hobby or as time permits, is that you can just add to the array as parts and time become available. If a cell like that did produce any usable power, I suppose you could work your way off of the grid a little at a time, until eventually you became totally independant, although it might take an acre of the things if they are not very powerful:) Knuke Michael T. Huffman Huffman Technology Company 1121 Dustin Drive The Villages, Florida 32159 (352)259-1276 knuke@LCIA.COM http://www.aa.net/~knuke/index.htm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 10 06:02:15 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA18929; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 06:01:55 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 06:01:55 -0700 Message-ID: <37B0244E.5B38@cyberportal.net> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 09:08:30 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Power Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: vortex-L@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Testatika Principle Rediscovered ? References: <19990809.214922.-175669.0.tv@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"z1KSD.0.cd4.2B2it"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11401 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: tv@juno.com wrote: > > One theory is that it is somehow powered by radium chloride like the > Hubbard coil a special transformer containing radium invented by Alfred > Hubbard a young man from Seattle Washington who worked for a company that > refined radium. The Hubbard coil produced enough power to run a motor > boat. It was seen by numerous witnesses and reported extensively in the > Seattle newspapers. It has recently been replicated and patented by > Physicist Paul Brown. He demonstrated it publicly as well. As I > understand it, the working principle is still not fully understood as it > seems to extract more power from the radium than should be available. > Paul calls the Hubbard coil, a resonant nuclear battery. Interestingly, > Paul has done much recent work on another radioisotope power source > called the contact potential cell which uses the current generated by > dissimilar metals or semiconductors exposed to alpha or beta radiation. > Last I heard, He is developing tiny cells that could power microchips. > This would be useful for tiny miniaturized devices like microtransponders > that could operate for decades without an outside power source such as a > battery or solar cell. Incidently, this would be ideal for injectable > microchip transponder tags. The dark side of this is it would be ideal > for a "mark of the beast" electronic money system described in the book > of Revelation. Dr. Paul Brown is now using the radiant energy cell concept as outlined in my above patent draft for his atomic batteries. see... http://www.cyberportal.net/nuenergy/coldfiss.txt The basic chemistry was posted on 12/15/95 in this file. The only difference is that Dr. Brown is using SiT in his cells. He utilizes a fairly complex process to get the same end result. You do not have to use SiT in the radiant energy cell. There are more economical ways to achieve the same end result. -Bruce A. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 10 07:14:08 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id HAA04230; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 07:13:13 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 07:13:13 -0700 Message-ID: <005101bee33a$b7002180$253efea9@y9g6r3> From: "atglab" To: Subject: TMB & MFVC Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 09:10:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"cl7Ds2.0.x11.uD3it"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11402 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: We had a meeting last night to discuss interest an how we will answer questions, first here is our excuse. Our research is paid for by a consulting business, the research has to date made 0$ and may never, therefore when available we service our clients first. 'This is a fact of life' Now we have an added problem that one of our members is sick and unable to contribute at this time, making the business, the research and web maintenance very difficult. We talked of three options; (1) remove the TMB and MFVC from the site until we can place additional (information) on them, (2) Leave as is and continue to try to add what we can when we can, (3)Leave as is and continue to answer questions on a one-off basis. None of these options make sense for oblivious reasons. Additionally we do not want to publish claims we can not back up albeit over time it seems. So for the present I will try to answer a couple of emails with questions (all in one) rather than independently. This takes less time than web work. 1) The magnets used are critical to extract (or better) performance. We are not using anything special here. The TMB site describes their physical dimensions, they are units we had left over from the bag of Radio Shack units we purchased for the SMOT testing.We will place on the TMB site the Gauss rating, although not many people have units they can pack around to select desirable magnets. 2) We did not seek out special insulating material (dielectrics ?) to use for the separators and insulator sheets.We grabbed what was at hand when the idea was born. The plastic insulator sheets are important as well as the cardboard separator sheets. For plastic cut up a common plastic storage bag, like what you store lab samples in or what your wife uses for food. The cardboard can not be of corrugated type, it must be somewhat homogenious. The spacers we use are ~2mm in thickness (this will depend on the strength of the magnets). The plastic is around a mil. 3)The magnetic pole directions are important for best performance. Incorrect orentiations will result in some different although not so promising reactions (like lower or not output). A TMB cell (using the Radio Shack or similar strength magnets) would be constructed in the following order. M(N) + Sp + Sp + Pl + Sn + Pl + M(S) Where M(x) = Magnet (N) North Pole or (S) Pole Sp = 2mm spacer Pl = plastic sheet The plastic is very important, using the cardboard or paper without the plastic (will) cause a false reading due to a voltage generation between the moisture in the paper and contact with the metals. In short a crude battery. The cell must be firmly clamped together with a non-magnetic clamp (Plastic) preferred. This insures a somewhat uniform contact surface across all components. 4)The impedance of the cell will vary (magnets and metal used). We have measured this in the high end of 12Meg ohms to a low 4.7Meg ohms. You MUST take this into consideration when selectiong your measurement equipment. Using a 1Meg ohm X1 scopre probe will so load the circuit that you will most likely be stuck < 2mv. To start out with try to use a instrument with at least 10Meg input impedance. 5) Temperature and the TMB. The higher the temp the greater the output, we have not tested above 45'C, in our tests we hold the cells at 26'C (78'F). Be carefull you are not in a high air movement area (under an A/C vent) for example, the TMB voltage will move all over the place. 6) TMB will pickup external EMF fields, so use some caution. Twist you meter leads together and use ones as short as possible. For a scope use a good shielded probe. 7) TMB being temperature and charge sensitive may give you a false thrill at the out set. When assembling the cell you will transfer charge and heat to the components. We have measured as much as 350mv initial charge during assembly. This charge will drain off based on you load Z and will settle at the cells somewhat constant voltage (based on components). To insure you have a working TMB you will be able to charge and discharge the 1uf storage cap repeatly. Doing so will insure that you are not seeing some form of self charge in the cap itself. With self charge of the cap, you will see a down word curve in the recharge voltage after each discharge, down to ~ 0V. **Before we describe a MFVC experiment I must make a statement for the group. Our position is we do not want to release at this time the full details of the MFVC. WHY ? Simple, we doubt very much that we would ever make money from the device (for one of hundreds of reasons) and what we want to obtain at the very least is maybe having our names go along with the history of the discovery. Because of this we want to have a somewhat firm understanding of the principles under which it works. This could take days, week or never. This does not mean we could never release the info, we will when we decide we just can not figure it out and best let other minds attach the technology.Selfish ? look in a mirror and reflect. Here is the experiment to demonstrate one of the underlying operations of a MFVC. Please read through it as our statement of what it shows is extreme. Conduction of charge by magnetic flux in excess of 200ua, sufficient to drive a LED without a DC path and NO AC component. Not so clear, look at this. *This is not a working MFVC as shown on our web site, it is a demonstration of one of the underlying phenomena. Required; (2) Magnets as described above. (2) Two plastic insulator sheets as described above (1) Cu plate cut the size of a magnet leaving a connection ear (1) Sn plate cut the size of a magnet leaving a connection ear (1) Resistor sub box or a handful of resistors 10ohms - 4.7k ohms (1) 40 Volt DC lab supply. Purpose; To show charge flow through the coupling of the two magnets flux field in combination with interaction of the Cu and Sn metal plates. ****** S Cu S ****** Sn " |S N| S Cu S |S N| Sn " +40V | | S Cu S | | Sn |\| --------| | S Cu S | | Sn-------| |---RRRRR----- Gnd(-40V) | | S Cu S | | Sn |/| |S N| S Cu S |S N| Sn LED ****** S Cu S ****** Sn ***Firmly clamp the test unit with a plastic clamp, the more applied pressure the better, CAUTION insure the metal does NOT have sharp edges which can penetrated through the plastic spacers. The insulation must be maintained. Adjust the resistor value for the greatest charge through the LED. Change the magnet pole positions and observe the effect on charge transfer. If your good construct the cell with opposing poles and see what happens. This is one of the underlying facts of MFVC. Hope it helps and keeps you all busy until we catch up. Rex.A. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 10 07:36:51 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id HAA11015; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 07:36:27 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 07:36:27 -0700 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on Linux X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <37AF4584.5DBE@cyberportal.net> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 10:35:06 -0400 (EDT) Organization: Society for Real Time Sender: chuck@cougar.ssi.stratus.com From: Charlie Hodgson To: "Bruce A. Perreault" Subject: RE: Orgone Energy Crystals Cc: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Resent-Message-ID: <"MOjM61.0.0i2.gZ3it"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11403 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On 09-Aug-99 Bruce A. Perreault wrote: > D Adams wrote: >> >> Bruce, can you elaborate on the 'orgone crystal'? > > Enclosed is part of the report that I have. What I have not > posted here is the procedure to obtain these materials from > certain rock scrapings. I will post this at a later date if > this material is well received. I have not yet typed out the > rest of this report. I will finish typing the report if there > is interest. > Bruce, Impeccable timing, well, for me at least. I was unaware of this part of Reich's research. > All rocks containing silica (SiO2) in the Observatory walls were > affected: granites, quartz, slates, schist’s, gneiss’s, quartzite’s, and This past weekend, I wanted to show my 5 y.o. daugther how to make a spark, so I went to retrieve my spark flint from my camping supplies, and found the flint to be covered with pock-marks, and the plastic box it was in had 'whitish dust' on the inside. I wondered if something bizzarre was happening or if it was common. I couldn't fathom a natural process that could do this to stone in about a year's time-frame (last time I used the flint). I now wonder if the 'whitish dust' is calcuim. Anyhow, thanks for posting the info. Any more references would be very welcome. Charlie. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 10 08:00:30 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id HAA19042; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 07:59:45 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 07:59:45 -0700 Message-ID: <37B03FE9.151@cyberportal.net> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 11:06:17 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Power Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Orgone Energy Crystals References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"y2y3K2.0.Mf4.Xv3it"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11404 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Charlie, Now this is the type of response that I like to receive. You are an original thinker, a true Scientist... you have uplifted my spirit today. Charlie Hodgson wrote: > <> > > Bruce, > Impeccable timing, well, for me at least. I was unaware of > this part of Reich's research. Not many are aware. You have to go right to the source if you are going to get to the truth. It takes an odd individual who is willing to do the work to turn over every stone. I mean this in the abstract sense of the word, not concretely. > > > All rocks containing silica (SiO2) in the Observatory walls were > > affected: granites, quartz, slates, schist’s, gneiss’s, quartzite’s, and > > This past weekend, I wanted to show my 5 y.o. daugther how to make > a spark, so I went to retrieve my spark flint from my camping supplies, > and found the flint to be covered with pock-marks, and the plastic box > it was in had 'whitish dust' on the inside. I wondered if something > bizzarre was happening or if it was common. I couldn't fathom a natural > process that could do this to stone in about a year's time-frame (last > time I used the flint). Flint is a type of quartz... hmmm, could there be some sort of "Ultra Chemistry" at work here? A type of transformation from the radon in the air maybe? > > I now wonder if the 'whitish dust' is calcuim. Write me a private e-mail and I will respond to this. I will no longer be subjected to senseless prodes. You indicate a real interest to learn. You are welcome with questions anytime. -Bruce A. Perreault From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 10 08:15:10 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id IAA24637; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 08:14:42 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 08:14:42 -0700 From: tv@juno.com To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 08:12:34 -0700 Subject: Re: my TMB experiments Message-ID: <19990810.081533.-387291.1.tv@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 2.0.11 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-5,7-15,17-30 X-Juno-Att: 0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"SUlrk3.0.s06.X74it"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11405 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Stefan, >Stefan wrote: >I just use only one piece of writing paper between the Cu and >Sn plate as an isolator, the magnets just sit on the back of the plates >with no isolation and this seems to work best. >As these are Barium ferrite magnets, which have a very high DC resistance, >there is no problem with this. >At the end of the magnets is the iron clamp, that is doing the back flux >shortout and the mechanical pressure clamping. With only paper between the Sn and Cu plates you have a weak battery. Great that you are trying the experiments though. Fast work ! What do you think about the comparison to Testatika experiment shown by Paul Baumann of Methernitha ? They seem very similar to me. Take a look at the fine web site by Geoff Egel at: http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135/ particularly http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135/swiss.htm Tim ( tv@juno.com ) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 10 08:22:21 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id IAA26524; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 08:21:19 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 08:21:19 -0700 (PDT) From: tv@juno.com To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 08:15:27 -0700 Subject: Re: Testatika Principle Rediscovered ? Message-ID: <19990810.081533.-387291.2.tv@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 2.0.11 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-31,33-42 X-Juno-Att: 0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"TfYew1.0.KU6.jD4it"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11406 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Geoff, Oops, sorry, I sent people to a "mirror" of your web page ! try this.... Take a look at the fine web site by Geoff Egel at: http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135/ particularly http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135/swiss.htm and then compare this with http://www.atgroup.org/tmb.htm >>With regard to the recent announcement by Rex of the ATGroup of the >>Thermal Magnetic Battery (TMG) and the Magnetic Flux Virtual Conduit >>(MFVC): >> >>http://www.atgroup.org/tmb.htm >> >> Please compare this to: >> >>http://utenti.tripod.it/~testatikmachine/principle >> >Tried to get the second link but got what seemed to be an Italian version >of tripod front page. >is this the correct url >Geoff Tim ( tv@juno.com ) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 10 08:44:02 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id IAA03084; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 08:43:04 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 08:43:04 -0700 From: tv@juno.com To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 08:35:46 -0700 Subject: Open Source Energy Technology ? Message-ID: <19990810.083549.-387291.3.tv@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 2.0.11 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 9-12,14-19,21-22,24,26,28,30-35 X-Juno-Att: 0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Lk6e82.0.4m.8Y4it"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11407 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Are you familiar with the Linux Operating system invented by Linux Torval from Finland. It is becoming a huge success in America and other countries. It is even giving a little worry to Bill Gates. It is a big success because it is a good operating system and it was devoloped using the "open source" principle. People all over the world have freely contributed their time and talent to make it a success with all benefiting. There are also many people making money from it. There will be no single inventor of 21st century new energy technologies. There will be many people who will become rich and famous. Not communism or socialism but more like the teachings of Jesus. There will also be many benefits and problems. Why not an "open source" energy research project. Isn't that what the freenrg-L and Vortex-L lists are all about ? >**Before we describe a MFVC experiment I must make a statement for the >group. Our position is we do not want to release at this time the full >details of the MFVC. WHY ? Simple, we doubt very much that we would ever >make money from the device (for one of hundreds of reasons) and what we want >to obtain at the very least is maybe having our names go along with the >history of the discovery. Because of this we want to have a somewhat firm >understanding of the principles under which it works. This could take days, >week or never. This does not mean we could never release the info, we will >when we decide we just can not figure it out and best let other minds attach >the technology.Selfish ? look in a mirror and reflect. Tim ( tv@juno.com ) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 10 09:43:24 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA23760; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 09:42:50 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 09:42:50 -0700 Message-ID: <000901bee34f$9c615aa0$253efea9@y9g6r3> From: "atglab" To: References: <19990810.083549.-387291.3.tv@juno.com> Subject: Re: Open Source Energy Technology ? Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 11:43:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"4FITP.0.0p5.9Q5it"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11408 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > Why not an "open source" energy research project. Isn't that what the > freenrg-L and Vortex-L lists are all about ? Well it has appeared to me over some three years 'LURKING' these lists that so many talk and never experiment. Hartman is willing to try as many did with the VACE work, yet in all very few really want to do the work, rather they just want easy answers and results (present company excluded of course). This is not meant to start a long list of philosophical ramblings on this or any other list, but when we are ready we will give the detail necessary, of course we have the option of giving none, maybe that would be better. If you or a number of other list members do not want the info we are giving out and just want to wait for the free lunch, then say so. We save time by not trying to give out information. Ronald Stiffler, ATGROUP Principal. From: To: Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 1999 10:35 AM Subject: Open Source Energy Technology ? > Are you familiar with the Linux Operating system invented by Linux Torval > from Finland. It is becoming a huge success in America and other > countries. It is even giving a little worry to Bill Gates. It is a big > success because it is a good operating system and it was devoloped using > the "open source" principle. People all over the world have freely > contributed their time and talent to make it a success with all > benefiting. There are also many people making money from it. There > will be no single inventor of 21st century new energy technologies. > There will be many people who will become rich and famous. Not > communism or socialism but more like the teachings of Jesus. > > There will also be many benefits and problems. > > Why not an "open source" energy research project. Isn't that what the > freenrg-L and Vortex-L lists are all about ? > > > >**Before we describe a MFVC experiment I must make a statement for the > >group. Our position is we do not want to release at this time the full > >details of the MFVC. WHY ? Simple, we doubt very much that we would ever > >make money from the device (for one of hundreds of reasons) and what we > want > >to obtain at the very least is maybe having our names go along with the > >history of the discovery. Because of this we want to have a somewhat > firm > >understanding of the principles under which it works. This could take > days, > >week or never. This does not mean we could never release the info, we > will > >when we decide we just can not figure it out and best let other minds > attach > >the technology.Selfish ? look in a mirror and reflect. > > > Tim > ( tv@juno.com ) > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 10 10:25:58 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA04021; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 10:25:26 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 10:25:26 -0700 Message-ID: <37B06084.5EF8C109@harti.com> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 19:25:24 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: leoguitar@vossnet.de Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, tv@juno.com, ATGROUP Subject: Re: my TMB experiments References: <19990810.081533.-387291.1.tv@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"tFz9N3.0.k-.526it"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11409 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: tv@juno.com schrieb: > > Hi Stefan, > > >Stefan wrote: > >I just use only one piece of writing paper between the Cu and > >Sn plate as an isolator, the magnets just sit on the back of the plates > >with no isolation and this seems to work best. > >As these are Barium ferrite magnets, which have a very high DC > resistance, > >there is no problem with this. > >At the end of the magnets is the iron clamp, that is doing the back flux > >shortout and the mechanical pressure clamping. > > With only paper between the Sn and Cu plates you have a weak battery. When I insolated the Cu plate there was no voltage buildup ! Better a small battery than nothing ! :) > > Great that you are trying the experiments though. Fast work ! > > What do you think about the comparison to Testatika experiment shown by > Paul Baumann of Methernitha ? They seem very similar to me. > > Take a look at the fine web site by Geoff Egel at: > > http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135/ > > particularly > > http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135/swiss.htm Well could be simular, but in this URL it is related to a RF effect ??? With the TMB we probably have a DC effect , but I still have to measure it with my scope tonight..... too bad I have to go on vacations on Friday, so I don´t have much time now and in the next 2 weeks. Best regards, Stefan. > > Tim > ( tv@juno.com ) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 10 10:43:01 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA09677; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 10:42:39 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 10:42:39 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 10:42:36 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Star-mode: the Farnsworth Fusor (RUDE AWAKENING) In-Reply-To: <37B0215E.4DAC@cyberportal.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"5hyL51.0.6N2.EI6it"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11410 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Tue, 10 Aug 1999, Bruce A. Perreault wrote: > > I recall that some of Richard Hull's devices used air (N2 O2). Or do you > > mean at one atmosphere, i.e. no vacuum system? If you are seeing amounts > > of neutrons rivalling the Farnsworth Fusor, but without low pressure, that > > certainly would be a very different device. > > > The electrodes have to be immersed in deuterium gas, a mixture of > deuterium and tritium, or helium-3 and deuterium. Neutrons can be > created at a flip of a switch. I have named this arrangemnet the > "Star-Chamber." Clean, safe, nuclear reactors could be designed using > this discovery. > > http://www.cyberportal.net/nuenergy/perwkshp.htm Very Interesting! It's at 1-atm pressure? (I'm still not clear on this.) This is not Farnsworth's device at all. Lacking the inner grid, you lack the big barrier which stands in the way of further development as an energy source. > > I suspect that the main reason for scientists' sudden acceptance of the > > Farnsworth Fusor is that Richard Hull has been widely publicizing > > Farnsworth's work, and has worked with the openminded physicist Dr. Robert > > Forward in building neutron generators. Once they see that a real > > scientist is working with a "taboo" device like the Fusor, then the > > "taboo" evaporates, and all the rest of the scientists want a piece of the > > action. > > > This is the gratitude that I get for contributing to this list. > Has anyone even considered that I have something new here? Yes. What response would you prefer? The orthodox-science response is to request to examine detailed evidence, which usually would be in the form of full research papers (even pre-pulications) which describe measurements in excruciating detail. Also... "real scientist" in the above means "one of the orthodoxy", or "works at big university, has grants, etc." By this definition, anyone who is a "real scientist" is required to adhere to the taboos, and to see that, at least until recently, desktop fusion is the domain of crackpots and is not a fit topic for any "real scientist." Obviously this is a major criticism of "real" scientists! I do not consider myself to be a scientist, since the lable "scientist" brings with it all sorts of negative crap. If you do science, I will tend NOT to call you a scientist, since in my mind that is a bit of an insult. "Heretic" or "maverick" or "science hobbyist" is a much better lable. > > Such a theft is a very serious matter. Perhaps something can be done. > > What did they swipe specifically? > > The electrode design to create "star-mode" for neutron generating. > I could be wrong... maybe they have perfected the grid sysyem, but > I very much doubt this. We will see when the patent issues. I suspect that are simply using Farnsworth's grids, and are going to start selling Farnsworth Fusors. This lets them make neutrons for research purposes, but it cannot become a usable energy source on its own. > > I realize that it's acceptable among inventors to hide the origins of > > new devices from the customer (it's better for business if everyone > > thinks that the product is NOT merely an improved version of somebody > > elses discovery.) However, it's different in science. In a science-forum > > we have much higher standards; we give attributions to the original > > sources of our work, and we maintain standards of honesty which are far, > > far higher than those in business or advertizing. This attitude is very > > bad for business, but then scientists are supposedly getting funding from > > somewhere, and don't need to use marketing techniques to sell products or > > attract investors. > > > You have given me a RUDE AWAKENING. This is a "science-forum?" In my > eyes it is a blood-letting forum. "Higher standard?" Who's standard > might that be? Flamers who repeatedly break the rules are not welcome. Jerry Decker has not apologized for his behavior (or even admitted to breaking the rules!) and so I will not allow him to participate anymore. This is supposed to be a forum for people who are doing experiments, and who want to attract others into reproducing the experiments and improving upon them. Since I rarely attend and behave as a full-bore moderator, FREENRG-L wanders around and acts as a general communication channel for subscribers. Since there are only a very few people doing experiments and publicizing their results, there are very few conversations here which are actually "on topic." Don't misunderstand me, I do see that the "higher standard" in science highlights the hypocricy of science as a whole. On the one hand, "Scientific Integrity" requires that scientists behave with extremely high levels of honesty, and to hold back no secrets whatsoever. Here's a good reference: CARGO CULT SCIENCE http://www.physics.brocku.ca/etc/cargo_cult_science.html Check out the second half which deals with "honesty". This is article by the offbeat physicist Richard Feynman. But if scientists are required to be far more honest than nonscientists, how can they dismiss an entire section of the world out of hand, with no desire to even INSPECT the evidence being found by others? How can they participate in intellectual suppression? Refusing to fund anything but orthodox research, as well as ignoring inconvenient evidence, are extremely dishonest acts, and it causes scientists become the very opposite of what they profess to be. I see that most scientists dislike business because it requires secrecy, and they wish to be "above" any need to prevent theft by others, or to keep their business alive with marketing, self-promotion, etc. I find this attitude seductive, but I also see that it is a false front. Modern science is rotting from within, at the same time that scientists dislike "lowering themselves" to the level of everyday businessmen! Before criticizing businessmen or pretending that they are inferior, scientists need to clean their own house first. > I am tired of being "poked and prodded" as Reich would say. > It seems like most members on this list are quite content > with rehashing what already exists. This is fine, but it is > not my piece of cake. I am an origional thinker and I march to > a different drummer. Jerry is correct about one other point, I can > not make it in your "real world," to your standards I am quite insane, > crazy, eccentric, whatever you want to call me, call me what you will. Which standards are these? My personal standards are currently biased towards science as it should be: a free exploration of the details of the world unhobbled by concerns of money, secrecy, theft, reputations, etc. I can only afford to think like this because... I currently have a good income! I recognize the "business world" aspects of New Energy research, but I myself do the opposite. I post everything on internet, and if I ever stumble across something worthwhile, it will be others who make money off of it. I want to be an educator, not a researcher. If I was to try to make a living off of research, my attitude would probably change quickly. > I will cling onto this list for a few days until the responses > to my posts stop. I can now appreciate why Tesla made announcements > only once per year. I wonder... If Tesla could do it all over again, might he decid to just freely publish every detail, in order that much his work wouldn't be lost or be suppressed by ignorance? Or maybe he would have decided to let humankind go screw itself, and just go and live an enjoyable life. Let's see how far we all could get without any Tesla patents to steal. ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com http://www.amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 10 10:47:27 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA12117; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 10:46:36 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 10:46:36 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990810134829.009385f0@inforamp.net> X-Sender: quinney@inforamp.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 13:48:29 -0700 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Quinney Subject: Re: TMB & MFVC In-Reply-To: <005101bee33a$b7002180$253efea9@y9g6r3> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"IAW-c3.0.Ez2.xL6it"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11411 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 09:10 AM 08/10/99 -0500, you wrote: > >The plastic is very important, using the cardboard or paper without the >plastic (will) cause a false reading due to a voltage generation between the >moisture in the paper and contact with the metals. In short a crude battery. > >The cell must be firmly clamped together with a non-magnetic clamp (Plastic) >preferred. This insures a somewhat uniform contact surface across all >components. > Volta, circa 1820, displayed a novel pile which was used to source a high voltage supply of electricity for charging Leyden jars. The high voltage was supplied from the alternate stacking of two dissimilar metals and separated with a dry (Ph neutral) insulative dielectric. With his setup, ion transport was most probable. I must ask if you have considered as a possibility, ion transport through the 1 mm plastic membrane. Colin Quinney From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 10 10:50:05 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA13951; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 10:49:14 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 10:49:14 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 10:49:11 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Open Source Energy Technology ? In-Reply-To: <19990810.083549.-387291.3.tv@juno.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"N_fnv1.0.kP3.PO6it"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11412 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Tue, 10 Aug 1999 tv@juno.com wrote: > Why not an "open source" energy research project. Isn't that what the > freenrg-L and Vortex-L lists are all about ? Yes! It might happen for the same reason that Linux happened: those who follow normal scientific or business methods are hobbled. Those who take seriously the "open source" idea are not. The little bugs can stride right past the insane battling giants because the giants NEVER stop fighting long enough to move rapidly forward, and so all their massive capabilities are useless. In the long run, who will win the race? ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com http://www.amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 10 11:08:02 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA18524; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 11:07:40 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 11:07:40 -0700 Message-ID: <37B0790A.24250F8E@telusplanet.net> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 12:10:02 -0700 From: D Adams X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: SOLAR PRACTICAL? Re: WORK FUNCTION References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"HRnQd.0.LX4.hf6it"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11413 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Thanks Knuke!! Michael T Huffman wrote: > Thanks Bill and Mitch for the work function/ionization potential info. > > >Any one know how practical this would be? Assuming that a normal commercial > >solar array to power an average sized home would be approx $20,000.00 USD > >how much would it cost to construct a comparable array? Any ideas? > > It would depend on what you used for materials, how much time it took you to > build them, and how well they turned out. I am thinking along the lines of > using junk, like copper wire from thrown away appliances, inverted baby food > jars for containers, maybe something common like vinegar and salt mixed with > water for the electrolyte, and a dab of 502 epoxy to plug any holes in the > jar caps where the wires come out. This would cost next to nothing to try, > get some meter readings from it, and then run the numbers to scale it up. > > Some of the cost of commercial units is in the inverter, which wouldn't be > cheap. I've priced them at West Marine, and I forget what they are now, but > off the top of my head, I think the one I was looking at was over a grand. > If you want or even have enough electricity left over during peak generation > hours to feed back into the grid, the circuitry for that is also a > considerable expense. Another part the cost of commercial units is labor. > > If you had a steady load DC application that could be run separate from the > main house current then it might be practical. When I worked in Alaska, we > had a fuel barge that had to have running lights and an anchor light that > had to be operative all the time. Rather than have a genset on the barge > running all the time, we used a big marine battery that we just charged up > for each light with a photoelectric switch that would turn the lights on at > night. One good charge would last about six weeks. You could do something > similar for driveway or patio lighting on a house using DC lamps, for > example. After the initial construction, it would not cost you anything to > operate, and you could skip the expense of an inverter. You can probably > think of some other stand-alone applications that would reduce your energy > draw from the grid. > > Down here in Florida, especially in these little communities like The > Villages, a lot of people get around in golf carts. They do their shopping, > banking, get mail, and visit friends, etc.. They have special roads, lanes, > and bridges for them, so they are not just for golf. They don't use them > all day generally, but when they do use them, they draw a lot of energy from > the battery banks. A cheap solar cell array charger would be great for > something like that, and it wouldn't need any inverter, either. > > The advantage of doing something like this as a hobby or as time permits, is > that you can just add to the array as parts and time become available. If a > cell like that did produce any usable power, I suppose you could work your > way off of the grid a little at a time, until eventually you became totally > independant, although it might take an acre of the things if they are not > very powerful:) > > Knuke > > Michael T. Huffman > Huffman Technology Company > 1121 Dustin Drive > The Villages, Florida 32159 > (352)259-1276 > knuke@LCIA.COM > http://www.aa.net/~knuke/index.htm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 10 11:12:43 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA20485; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 11:12:32 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 11:12:32 -0700 Message-ID: <000701bee35c$25a32da0$253efea9@y9g6r3> From: "atglab" To: References: <3.0.5.32.19990810134829.009385f0@inforamp.net> Subject: Re: TMB & MFVC Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 13:14:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"o1bGw.0.w_4.Fk6it"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11414 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: From: Quinney To: Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 1999 3:48 PM Subject: Re: TMB & MFVC > > Volta, circa 1820, displayed a novel pile which was used to source a high > voltage supply of electricity for charging Leyden jars. The high voltage > was supplied from the alternate stacking of two dissimilar metals and > separated with a dry (Ph neutral) insulative dielectric. With his setup, > ion transport was most probable. > > I must ask if you have considered as a possibility, ion transport through > the 1 mm plastic membrane. > > Colin Quinney > Yes to some degree, although what we observe and what should be taking place if this were the case have two different out comes. The B should deflect or alter the path of the ion and not block it as observed with different pole configurations. Maybe we looked at this incorrectly, but worst case would be a reduced charge and not a blocking of it. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 10 12:00:21 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA01812; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 11:59:54 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 11:59:54 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990810150141.00e37100@inforamp.net> X-Sender: quinney@inforamp.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 15:01:41 -0700 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Quinney Subject: Re: TMB & MFVC In-Reply-To: <000701bee35c$25a32da0$253efea9@y9g6r3> References: <3.0.5.32.19990810134829.009385f0@inforamp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"BzwC_2.0.DS.gQ7it"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11415 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 01:14 PM 08/10/99 -0500, you wrote: >From: Quinney >To: >Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 1999 3:48 PM >Subject: Re: TMB & MFVC > >> >> Volta, circa 1820, displayed a novel pile which was used to source a high >> voltage supply of electricity for charging Leyden jars. The high voltage >> was supplied from the alternate stacking of two dissimilar metals and >> separated with a dry (Ph neutral) insulative dielectric. With his setup, >> ion transport was most probable. >> >> I must ask if you have considered as a possibility, ion transport through >> the 1 mm plastic membrane. >> >> Colin Quinney >> >Yes to some degree, although what we observe and what should be taking place >if this were the case have two different out comes. The B should deflect or >alter the path of the ion and not block it as observed with different pole >configurations. Maybe we looked at this incorrectly, but worst case would be >a reduced charge and not a blocking of it. > When I first came across the reference to Volta's dry voltaic pile, I was most delighted that he had even considered it, since up to that time he had only been working with wet electrolytes. I find myself just as delighted in your experiment and I thank you for your sharing-- I wish very much for your success. Perhaps someone on the list could recommend a non porous plastic to replace the household plastic film? Maybe Dupont has some DC resistance measurements of mylar vss polyethylene etc. If membrane ion transport can be ruled out, you will be working from a more secure foundation. And that's a good thing :-) Best Regards, Colin Quinney From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 10 13:16:12 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA27862; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 13:15:42 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 13:15:42 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 10:15:32 -1000 Subject: Star-mode: the Farnsworth Fusor From: "Rick Monteverde" To: freenrg Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <199908101615.SM00141@[192.168.0.2]> Resent-Message-ID: <"cOvgm3.0.Fp6.jX8it"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11416 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Bruce - > It seems like most members on this list are quite content > with rehashing what already exists. That is a stunningly ironic statement coming form one who claims a new energy device which turns out to be nothing more than a Farnsworth Fusor derivative, the likes of which have been studied and modified for years in universities and labs with many different types of electrostatic, magnetic, and inertial confinement schemes. Rehashing indeed. But if you've actually managed to produce the approximately 5th order of magnitude increase in their efficiency to hit break even, you'd certainly have something worth crowing about. Is it your claim to have driven these units to this sort of performance? And if you did, could you describe the general details of the setup, like the time and location, the measurements used to determine the energy and neutron flux, and the amount of shielding used with the experiment? - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 10 14:09:21 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA12453; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 14:08:46 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 14:08:46 -0700 Message-ID: <37B0966A.3093@cyberportal.net> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 17:15:22 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Power Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Star-mode: the Farnsworth Fusor References: <199908101615.SM00141@[192.168.0.2]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"91kER1.0.U23.UJ9it"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11417 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Rick Monteverde wrote: > > Bruce - > > > It seems like most members on this list are quite content > > with rehashing what already exists. > > That is a stunningly ironic statement coming form one who claims a new > energy device which turns out to be nothing more than a Farnsworth Fusor > derivative, the likes of which have been studied and modified for years in > universities and labs with many different types of electrostatic, magnetic, > and inertial confinement schemes. > > Rehashing indeed. I am not claiming this as my new energy device. The "star-mode" electrodes are a spin-off from the main research. It resulted in our work with the Moray stone formula. Many different variations were tried. One night my associate Calvin Bahlmann got the idea to coat electrodes with these materials just for the heck of it. One of the material formed a star like discharge when fired up. He called me right away to explain this strange effect. I then tried then tried the coated electrodes in my own lab. To my surprise it was something that I had observed before. It was the "star-mode" that Richard Hull spoke about that was needed to generate the neutrons in the fuser. However, our electrodes do not have the associated electron loss. The rest is history. So, most of the credit for star-mode electrodes goes to my associate Mr. Bahlmann. No rehash here, just plain old fashion discovery. > > But if you've actually managed to produce the approximately 5th order of > magnitude increase in their efficiency to hit break even, you'd certainly > have something worth crowing about. Is it your claim to have driven these > units to this sort of performance? And if you did, could you describe the > general details of the setup, like the time and location, the measurements > used to determine the energy and neutron flux, and the amount of shielding > used with the experiment? If there funding were available I could give you hard numbers. However, my main research takes priority at this point. I am more of the Edison type, something works I go with it. I have been willing in the past to give out free electrodes for fuser researchers under strict non-disclosure agreements. This is how Daimler could have swiped the concept. One researcher was from Germany and it is quite possible that this person is an engineer from Daimler. -Bruce A. Perreault From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 10 14:57:23 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA28170; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 14:56:55 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 14:56:55 -0700 Message-ID: <37B0A1B4.1BFD@cyberportal.net> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 18:03:32 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Power Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com CC: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: Star-mode: the Farnsworth Fusor References: <199908101729.SM00141@[192.168.0.2]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"-mmVj1.0._t6.c0Ait"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11418 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Rick Monteverde wrote: > <> > Is Daimler actually using a gridless coated electrode design like yours to > get enhanced fusion counts? And this was developed after you gave one (or a > set) of these electrodes to a German engineer who may be associated with > Daimler? I have to admit that would be very suspicious. I automatically assumed that they are not using grids because of their claims on their website. It is doubtful that what they are claiming could be achieved with grids. However, this may turn out to be another typical "rehash" of Farnsworth's expired Fuser patents. It is just beyond my way of thinking how their announcement come off as being something new. If this is the case then Bill is correct in how business is conducted these days. So, I may stand corrected on my assumption. This will be one time that I wouldn't mind being proved wrong. I guess I should pull the link off my site until I know for sure. -Bruce A. Perreault From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 10 14:59:36 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA29031; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 14:59:25 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 14:59:25 -0700 Message-ID: <37B0A096.69E51068@harti.com> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 23:58:46 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: leoguitar@vossnet.de Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, Newman-L Mailing List Subject: More on eternal Cu-Sn batteries ! X-Priority: 1 (Highest) References: <005101bee33a$b7002180$253efea9@y9g6r3> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"N4fCS2.0.W57.z2Ait"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11419 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi All, today I got the new Net-Journal from Adolf Schneider (Jupiter-Verlag, Switzerland) adolf.schneider@datacomm.ch There he wrote a report of his visit at he "Tommorows World Live" exhibition in London, UK. He visited there the booth of the bosnic inventors company Mr. Husein Hulic, who showed him a Cu-Sn batttery WITHOUT a magnet ! The protoytpe works since 1971, had prior been used with permanent magnets, but the inventor Mr. Zahir Klepo has just found out, that it also works without magnets and just needs the right dry dielectricum "pasta" which will dry out, if baked and produces a voltage between the Cu and Sn plates. He told Mr. Schneider, that you have to put it onto the plates "like butter", and bake it then at 50 degrees celsius until it is dry and glued together. The prototype uses 18 cells of 6 x 10 cm ( 3 in parallel with 6 in series) and the weight is about 1 Kilogramm. It produces a free running voltage of 4.9 Volts DC (open circuit voltage) and when powering an LED, the voltage goes down to 1.6 Volts and a current of 2 mA is flowing, thus the unit can deliver about 3.2 mWatts. Schneider extrapolated the energy density, if it would be build not manually, but industrially optimized with 1/3 Watts per Kg, thus he thinks of a commercial home power plant with 2.1 Kwatts of power having 1 qubicmeter of volume and a weight of 7000 Kg. Schneider guesses the principle behind the power generation to be a conversion of surroundig-heat to electricity via the polymeer-dielectric versus metal plates reaction. The batteries do not run down ! One prototype of the Klepo battery already runs since 1971 ! The inventor already changed the transistor radio he also used to power it with it, but never the battery, Schneider was told ! So far the latest report from Net Journal. It seems the MFVC of the ATGROUP has a better energy density, than the KLEPO battery ! Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. In. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 10 16:04:50 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA15991; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 16:04:29 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 16:04:29 -0700 Message-ID: <37B0B18E.1DA8@cyberportal.net> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 19:11:10 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Power Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Star-mode: the Farnsworth Fusor (RUDE AWAKENING) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Qj3O7.0.mv3.z_Ait"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11420 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: William Beaty wrote: > > http://www.cyberportal.net/nuenergy/perwkshp.htm > > Very Interesting! It's at 1-atm pressure? (I'm still not clear on this.) > This is not Farnsworth's device at all. Lacking the inner grid, you lack > the big barrier which stands in the way of further development as an > energy source. No, microns in the working chamber. No, its not a Farnsworth device. It is a Perreault/Bahlmann device. > > > > I suspect that the main reason for scientists' sudden acceptance of the > > > Farnsworth Fusor is that Richard Hull has been widely publicizing > > > Farnsworth's work, and has worked with the openminded physicist Dr. Robert > > > Forward in building neutron generators. Once they see that a real > > > scientist is working with a "taboo" device like the Fusor, then the > > > "taboo" evaporates, and all the rest of the scientists want a piece of the > > > action. > > > > > > This is the gratitude that I get for contributing to this list. > > Has anyone even considered that I have something new here? > > Yes. What response would you prefer? I appologize for being snappy... my hairs are still scorched from the flame war the other day. > > The orthodox-science response is to request to examine detailed evidence, > which usually would be in the form of full research papers (even > pre-pulications) which describe measurements in excruciating detail. The problem is that I do not have the resources for this type of accountability at this time. If I had the resources someone would be hired to do this. > > Also... "real scientist" in the above means "one of the orthodoxy", or > "works at big university, has grants, etc." By this definition, anyone > who is a "real scientist" is required to adhere to the taboos, and to see > that, at least until recently, desktop fusion is the domain of crackpots > and is not a fit topic for any "real scientist." > > Obviously this is a major criticism of "real" scientists! I do not > consider myself to be a scientist, since the lable "scientist" brings with > it all sorts of negative crap. If you do science, I will tend NOT to call > you a scientist, since in my mind that is a bit of an insult. "Heretic" > or "maverick" or "science hobbyist" is a much better lable. I think about myself as a Scientist from the "old school." <> > > I suspect that are simply using Farnsworth's grids, and are going to start > selling Farnsworth Fusors. This lets them make neutrons for research > purposes, but it cannot become a usable energy source on its own. If this is the case then I will stand corrected. It is beyond me how business is conducted these days. <> > > You have given me a RUDE AWAKENING. This is a "science-forum?" In my > > eyes it is a blood-letting forum. "Higher standard?" Who's standard > > might that be? > > Flamers who repeatedly break the rules are not welcome. Jerry Decker has > not apologized for his behavior (or even admitted to breaking the rules!) > and so I will not allow him to participate anymore. I tried real hard not to engage in any flames. I do appologize to the list for being the focus of the bitching. I do not know of any other way that I could have handled it. > > This is supposed to be a forum for people who are doing experiments, and > who want to attract others into reproducing the experiments and improving > upon them. Since I rarely attend and behave as a full-bore moderator, > FREENRG-L wanders around and acts as a general communication channel for > subscribers. Since there are only a very few people doing experiments and > publicizing their results, there are very few conversations here which are > actually "on topic." Well, if anything positive came about it did get your attention. > > Don't misunderstand me, I do see that the "higher standard" in science > highlights the hypocricy of science as a whole. On the one hand, > "Scientific Integrity" requires that scientists behave with extremely high > levels of honesty, and to hold back no secrets whatsoever. Here's a good > reference: > > CARGO CULT SCIENCE > http://www.physics.brocku.ca/etc/cargo_cult_science.html > > Check out the second half which deals with "honesty". This is article by > the offbeat physicist Richard Feynman. > > But if scientists are required to be far more honest than nonscientists, > how can they dismiss an entire section of the world out of hand, with no > desire to even INSPECT the evidence being found by others? How can they > participate in intellectual suppression? Refusing to fund anything but > orthodox research, as well as ignoring inconvenient evidence, are > extremely dishonest acts, and it causes scientists become the very > opposite of what they profess to be. > > I see that most scientists dislike business because it requires secrecy, > and they wish to be "above" any need to prevent theft by others, or to > keep their business alive with marketing, self-promotion, etc. I find > this attitude seductive, but I also see that it is a false front. Modern > science is rotting from within, at the same time that scientists dislike > "lowering themselves" to the level of everyday businessmen! Before > criticizing businessmen or pretending that they are inferior, scientists > need to clean their own house first. Being a self-educated, self-funded scientist/inventor/writer/promotor... fine details have to be kept secret... at least until products are out of the bag... this has been the source of my troubles. <> > > Which standards are these? > > My personal standards are currently biased towards science as it should > be: a free exploration of the details of the world unhobbled by concerns > of money, secrecy, theft, reputations, etc. I can only afford to think > like this because... I currently have a good income! > > I recognize the "business world" aspects of New Energy research, but I > myself do the opposite. I post everything on internet, and if I ever > stumble across something worthwhile, it will be others who make money off > of it. I want to be an educator, not a researcher. If I was to try to > make a living off of research, my attitude would probably change quickly. If I had a good income then would gladly welcome your standard as my own. However, as you know, the world is not fair. There are nessessary evils to endure. <> > > I wonder... If Tesla could do it all over again, might he decid to just > freely publish every detail, in order that much his work wouldn't be lost > or be suppressed by ignorance? Or maybe he would have decided to let > humankind go screw itself, and just go and live an enjoyable life. Let's > see how far we all could get without any Tesla patents to steal. I guess it would depend on his lot in life, wouldn't it? -BAP From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 10 16:27:26 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA22233; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 16:27:13 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 16:27:13 -0700 Sender: THohnsbein@csi.com Message-ID: <37B0B51B.B59DDDFB@csi.com> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 01:26:19 +0200 From: Tameer Hohnsbein X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [de] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: TMB & MFVC References: <005101bee33a$b7002180$253efea9@y9g6r3> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"YgRvQ3.0.IR5.GLBit"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11421 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Rex, atglab wrote: > M(N) + Sp + Sp + Pl + Sn + Pl + M(S) > > Where M(x) = Magnet (N) North Pole or (S) Pole > Sp = 2mm spacer > Pl = plastic sheet > I miss the Cu plate here. From my understanding so far i guess it has to be: M(N) + Sp + Cu + Sp + Pl + Sn + Pl + M(S) Is that right ? > > > Hope it helps and keeps you all busy until we catch up. > > Rex.A. Yes, that is a lovely challenge. Unfortunately I have to go on an official journey for three days. But then .... See you Tameer From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 10 16:45:26 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA28818; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 16:45:07 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 16:45:07 -0700 Message-ID: <37B0B9DC.8694012A@microtec.net> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 19:46:36 -0400 From: patrick tremblay X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Does the Sun's luminosity move the Earth or does its mass? and Big Wednesday References: <000001bee2f8$04bcc740$258eadd1@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ialCX2.0.727.2cBit"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11422 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: If the gravity slightly changes when there is a total eclipse, it's not because of a decrease in light flow but because of the effect the moon has on matter on earth. The moon has a great effect, it changes the water level on the surface of the earth. And that's not related to heat, that's related to the gravitational force of the moon. If you were right, then the satelites would change their orbit depending on how much light they have. And if you were right then I could make things fly around by pointing a laser at them. Peter Fred wrote: > One thing that happens when the Moon gets in front of the Sun: A lot of > sunlight is prevented from reaching the Earth. There seems to be evidence > that weight does change during an eclipse. See in particular Saxl's paper: > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/7919/Saxl.htm). > > My heat-related gravity theory tells me that the gravitational force, which > is easily observed in the outer portions of the Earth, has the function of > resisting the flow of heat (ie the unit area heat flux). > > An eclipse decreases the amount of heat that Earth reradiates on the > dayside. Because there is less outward flow of heat during a solar eclipse, > less thermal resistance ie gravitational force is required to resist this > flow of heat. > > In my laboratory or living room I make heat flow through a hemisphere in the > steady state and I get a decrease in weight (~3.7 %). See > http://www4.choice.net/~pbfred/ . > > My theory also requires that "things should get heavier in the night." The > centripetal acceleration of the Earth is only 0.006 m/s^2. The surface > gravity is 9.80 m/s^2. So if the surface gravity on the dayside is > observed to be 9.80 m/s^2 and on the night side it is observed to be 9.8006 > m/s^2, we would be well on our way in having a new explanation for how this > 10^24 kg sphere moves from A to B. > > Allais has observed a diurnal variation in g. See > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/7919/Allais.htm. I had a friend > observe a diurnal variation in g using a Hodowanec type capacitor. See > http://www.t-link.net/~aquarius/gwrphome/circuits.htm for this type of > capacitor. > > Peter Fred > > The NASA site about Big Wednesday is: > > http://science.nasa.gov/newhome/headlines/ast06aug99_1.htm > > There is an old wives tale that you should not weigh gold during an eclipse. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 10 17:09:18 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA02888; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 17:08:58 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 17:08:58 -0700 Message-ID: <37B0BF77.F77CE68D@technologist.com> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 17:10:31 -0700 From: Brian Snyder X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Source for Sn ??? References: <005101bee33a$b7002180$253efea9@y9g6r3> <37B0B51B.B59DDDFB@csi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"09t3w3.0._i.PyBit"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11423 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Can anyone give me an idea of what readily available items are made of Sn? I know that tin cans are composed of only a small amount of tin. I cant seem to think of anything made from pure Sn. Any suggestions? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 10 17:16:33 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA05563; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 17:16:16 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 17:16:16 -0700 Message-ID: <37B0C0E3.F0BC03C8@harti.com> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 02:16:35 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: leoguitar@vossnet.de Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Mixup of Sn (TIN) versus Zn (Zinc) ?? X-Priority: 2 (High) References: <005101bee33a$b7002180$253efea9@y9g6r3> <37B0B51B.B59DDDFB@csi.com> <37B0BF77.F77CE68D@technologist.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"V0G1p3.0.jM1.G3Cit"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11424 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi, I am in this moment a little puzzled.. Did I and ATGROUP mix up Sn versus Zn ? What plates are they using with the TMB ? They always speak of Zinc plates, but they always write Sn, which is just TIN ! Please have a look at: http://www.micronmetals.com/30.htm http://www.micronmetals.com/50.htm http://www.micronmetals.com/ste.htm Which one is the right ? Regards, Stefan. Brian Snyder schrieb: > > Can anyone give me an idea of what readily available items are made of > Sn? I know that tin cans are composed of only a small amount of tin. I > cant seem to think of anything made from pure Sn. > > Any suggestions? -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. In. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 10 19:35:43 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA08624; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 19:35:17 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 19:35:17 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 16:35:12 -1000 Subject: Re: Source for Sn ??? From: "Rick Monteverde" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <199908102235.SM00141@[192.168.0.2]> Resent-Message-ID: <"P2T2W2.0.e62.a5Eit"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11425 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Brian - > Can anyone give me an idea of what readily available items are made of > Sn? I know that tin cans are composed of only a small amount of tin. I > cant seem to think of anything made from pure Sn. > > Any suggestions? Metals suppliers, online catalogs. Also scrap dealers. One source is the metal tubes for soda and carbonated water they used to use in bars and restaurants. I got a few pieces from that source. It's a low temperature melt, so you could cast some and pound out or roll your own sheet. Jewelers have small hand crank metal rollers, so you might be able to get them to roll you out some pieces for you. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 10 21:51:03 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA09088; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 21:50:41 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 21:50:41 -0700 From: "Peter Fred" To: Subject: RE: Does the Sun's luminosity move the Earth or does its mass? and Big Wednesday Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 00:42:01 -0400 Message-ID: <000201bee3b3$db3fdf80$688eadd1@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <37B0B9DC.8694012A@microtec.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"gUv981.0.vD2.X4Git"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11426 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: -----Original Message----- From: patrick tremblay [mailto:energeon@microtec.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 1999 7:47 PM To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Does the Sun's luminosity move the Earth or does its mass? and Big Wednesday If the gravity slightly changes when there is a total eclipse, it's not because of a decrease in light flow but because of the effect the moon has on matter on earth. You are giving me test book answers. In Saxl paper there is strong evidence to support the view that the torsion pendulum increased its weight by 5 %. By actually adding weights to his pendulum Saxl was able to infer that the pendulum would have increased its weight by 1.2 kg. This would be 5% increase of his 23.4 kg of his pendulum. In his paper he says that older theories predicts that g would only vary only by 1.6 X 10^ --5 % and thus he says "our result are about as 10^5 times as great." The moon has a great effect, it changes the water level on the surface of the earth. And that's not related to heat, that's related to the gravitational force of the moon. I have calculated the effect of moonlight using my formula and I got some decent results. But I am not going to the trouble to dig up my calculations because I do not think you have spent much time reading my paper or Saxls If you were right, then the satelites would change their orbit depending on how much light they have. And if you were right then I could make things fly around by pointing a laser at them. I go to a lot of trouble in my paper to explain how light is related to the gravitational force. You are giving me hypothetical situations. I would prefer you would go to my paper and tell me say what is wrong with my 99% prediction of the surface gravity of the Earth. (Where I use the total heat flux of the Earth that in turn is determined by that amount of sunlight that the Earth receives from the Sun.) Peter Fred wrote: > One thing that happens when the Moon gets in front of the Sun: A lot of > sunlight is prevented from reaching the Earth. There seems to be evidence > that weight does change during an eclipse. See in particular Saxl's paper: > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/7919/Saxl.htm). > > My heat-related gravity theory tells me that the gravitational force, which > is easily observed in the outer portions of the Earth, has the function of > resisting the flow of heat (ie the unit area heat flux). > > An eclipse decreases the amount of heat that Earth reradiates on the > dayside. Because there is less outward flow of heat during a solar eclipse, > less thermal resistance ie gravitational force is required to resist this flow of heat. This above paragraph is wrong. I have changed it to: A solar eclipse cools the dayside of the Earth so when a test mass is in the shadow of the Moon, more heat can flow outward towards the sky. The increased outward heat flow requires more thermal resistance or gravitational force and thus the test mass should weigh more. Saxl did observe an increase in the pendulum period and thus this is evidence that the pendulum increased in weight. * * > > In my laboratory or living room I make heat flow through a hemisphere in the > steady state and I get a decrease in weight (~3.7 %). See > http://www4.choice.net/~pbfred/ . > > My theory also requires that "things should get heavier in the night." The > centripetal acceleration of the Earth is only 0.006 m/s^2. The surface > gravity is 9.80 m/s^2. So if the surface gravity on the dayside is > observed to be 9.80 m/s^2 and on the night side it is observed to be 9.8006 > m/s^2, we would be well on our way in having a new explanation for how this > 10^24 kg sphere moves from A to B. > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 10 22:14:28 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA20897; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 22:14:13 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 22:14:13 -0700 Message-ID: <002d01bee3b8$961ca5a0$6720fea9@y9g6r3> From: "atglab" To: References: <005101bee33a$b7002180$253efea9@y9g6r3> <37B0B51B.B59DDDFB@csi.com> Subject: Re: TMB & MFVC Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 00:15:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"JVXNg1.0.P65.bQGit"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11427 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: M(N) + Sp + Sp + Pl + Sn + Pl Cu + M(S) ----- Original Message ----- From: Tameer Hohnsbein To: Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 1999 6:26 PM Subject: Re: TMB & MFVC > Hi Rex, > > atglab wrote: > > > > M(N) + Sp + Sp + Pl + Sn + Pl + M(S) > > > > Where M(x) = Magnet (N) North Pole or (S) Pole > > Sp = 2mm spacer > > Pl = plastic sheet > > > > I miss the Cu plate here. From my understanding so far i guess it has to be: > > M(N) + Sp + Cu + Sp + Pl + Sn + Pl + M(S) > > Is that right ? > > > > > > > > > Hope it helps and keeps you all busy until we catch up. > > > > Rex.A. > > Yes, that is a lovely challenge. > Unfortunately I have to go on an official journey for three days. > But then .... > > See you > Tameer > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 11 10:03:29 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA30626; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 10:03:11 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 10:03:11 -0700 Message-ID: <37B1ACB1.1E1FA82B@harti.com> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 19:02:41 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: leoguitar@vossnet.de Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: atglab , Free Energy , Newman-L Mailing List Subject: Re: Mixup of Sn (TIN) versus Zn (Zinc).. MFVC setup ? X-Priority: 2 (High) References: <005101bee33a$b7002180$253efea9@y9g6r3> <37B0B51B.B59DDDFB@csi.com> <37B0BF77.F77CE68D@technologist.com> <37B0C0E3.F0BC03C8@harti.com> <001d01bee3b8$72a8b820$6720fea9@y9g6r3> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"PeMiv.0.MU7.EpQit"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11428 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Sorry, then it was my mistake by mixing up the info of the Klepo magnet battery where Zn (Zinc) is used versus your TMB where SN (Tin) is used ! BTW, maybe your MFVC ( you really need a better name for it !: what about "Green Magnet Battery", cause you used a Green LED and Green is asscociated with Green environmentally friendly technology ??? :) ) could mabye be a Seeberg-Effect device, where you have put your Sn-Cu plates in the center of the device directly touching together without any insolator and via the surface contacts generate a "thermocouple" voltage, which you drive up by the magnet field ? Now the 3rd plate at the other magnet is just the other pole of this thermocouple driven capacitor ? Mayeb somehow the Seeberg effect is amplified by introducing the magnetic field ? Regards, Stefan. atglab schrieb: > > Where do we speak of zinc ? > > From: Stefan Hartmann > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 1999 7:16 PM > Subject: Mixup of Sn (TIN) versus Zn (Zinc) ?? > > > Hi, > > I am in this moment a little puzzled.. > > > > Did I and ATGROUP mix up Sn versus Zn ? > > > > What plates are they using with the TMB ? > > > > They always speak of Zinc plates, but they always > > write Sn, which is just TIN ! > > > > Please have a look at: > > > > http://www.micronmetals.com/30.htm > > http://www.micronmetals.com/50.htm > > http://www.micronmetals.com/ste.htm > > > > Which one is the right ? > > > > Regards, Stefan. > > > > > > > > Brian Snyder schrieb: > > > > > > Can anyone give me an idea of what readily available items are made of > > > Sn? I know that tin cans are composed of only a small amount of tin. I > > > cant seem to think of anything made from pure Sn. > > > > > > Any suggestions? > > > > -- > > Hartmann Multimedia Service, > > Dipl. In. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany > > Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 > > email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net > > http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! > > -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. In. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 11 10:29:33 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA14242; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 10:29:14 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 10:29:14 -0700 Message-ID: <37B1B46D.2192@cyberportal.net> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 13:35:41 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Power Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com CC: nuenergy@listbot.com Subject: Inhaling Plutonium Deemed SAFE! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"jagbu.0.RU3.fBRit"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11429 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: http://www.sightings.com/politics4/inhale.htm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 11 10:46:06 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA20846; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 10:45:38 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 10:45:38 -0700 Message-ID: <37B1B68B.7D1A0724@harti.com> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 19:44:43 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: leoguitar@vossnet.de Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Free Energy , Newman-L Mailing List Subject: Re: Arc overunity energy ? X-Priority: 1 (Highest) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"PPGLL3.0.d55.2RRit"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11430 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > > As to your experiment with the inductor and capacitor where you hard shorted > the two together and it discharged in approx. 3 sec where as when you > produced an arc the capacitor did not seem to lose charge very quickly. > I would say it is very hard to draw the possible conclusions what you did Right, I had no scope there during this experiment, so I could only guess... > When you hard short it if you had a scope connected you would see it ring at > the natural resonance and gradually decay due the parasitic losses in the > circuit. With this capacitance and the L is pretty small and R= 9 Ohm, it will just decay without ringing...! Q is too weak to ring ! >When you "drag" the wire and produce a "poor" connection that > draws an arc there is no control over the impedance of this connection. Right. It also generates a negative resistance due to the arc ! > Also since the voltage impressed on the connection is AC depending on how > you are holding the wire at the exact point in time the arc could quench at > a zero crossing and the discharging of the cap would cease. Hence giving > the appearance of not discharging as fast which it is not (but not due to > any anomalous effects). I had a 15000 uF Capacitor at 20 Volts DC, this gives 3 milliWattsseconds of total stored energy for the experiment to start with. Cap Energy= 0.5 x C x V^2 Hmm, I guess, that if you connect under t < 0.2 tau (0.2 x L/R) in this period you transfer all the energy into the L and not into R of the coil, so I have stored all the transfer energy in the magnetic field of the coil and not lost it via heating R (9 Ohm). When I now cut off the current rapidly by pulling the contacts, there the arc appears and all the magnetic energy is converted into the arc buildup and heatup. Now the question is: when the voltage after the experiment still shows 19.5 Volts at the capacitor, I have used a calculated energy transfer of : Cap energy difference= 3 milliWattsseconds - 2.851875 milliWattsseconds = 148.125 uWattsseconds for generating the arc ! Now: Is really this small energy just needed for the arc : just 148.125 uWattsseconds ? This looks pretty amazing ! I will try to find a setup, where I can store the arc energy back to another capacitor and thus try to see, how high I can load it with this energy. Now, if this other capacitor (also at 15000 uF) can be higher charged and will have a higher voltage than the first cap, it will be proven, that the arc is generating overunity energy. Best regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. In. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 11 14:31:49 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA05929; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 14:31:30 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 14:31:30 -0700 Message-ID: <37B1EBBF.5564DAD7@harti.com> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 23:31:43 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: leoguitar@vossnet.de Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Free Energy , Newman-L Mailing List Subject: GIT inventor had rediscovered Bessler Wheel ? X-Priority: 2 (High) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"bTPMz.0.YS1.okUit"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11431 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: http://www.fortunecity.com/roswell/lovecraft/111/bessler.htm Will this work ? -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. In. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 11 16:38:08 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA14935; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 16:37:44 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 16:37:44 -0700 Message-ID: <37B20913.96AAE8C4@harti.com> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 01:36:51 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: leoguitar@vossnet.de Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Free Energy , Newman-L Mailing List Subject: If you still believe in the second law, read this... X-Priority: 2 (High) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"GyL0q3.0.Bf3.8bWit"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11432 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: http://www.energyscience.co.uk/le/le17.htm http://www.energyscience.co.uk/le/le18.htm http://www.energyscience.co.uk/le/le19.htm Also supports the TMB theories of the www.atgroup.org ! Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. In. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 11 19:30:23 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA01549; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 19:29:44 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 19:29:44 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 16:29:34 -1000 Subject: push gravity from particles From: "Rick Monteverde" To: freenrg Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <199908112229.SM00133@[192.168.0.2]> Resent-Message-ID: <"TulV12.0.6O.O6Zit"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11433 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Here's a site for a physics theory that claims to make a better predicition than relativity for a number of observations, including the Allais foucault pendulum anomaly. http://www.autodynamics.org/new99/physindex.html - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 11 19:49:52 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA08435; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 19:49:16 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 19:49:16 -0700 Message-ID: <37B23680.A9DB8E89@microtec.net> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 22:50:40 -0400 From: patrick tremblay X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: shielding References: <37B20913.96AAE8C4@harti.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"8-d_u3.0.Y32.hOZit"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11434 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: http://www.can.cz/vessels.htm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 11 21:18:36 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA31055; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 21:18:02 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 21:18:02 -0700 Message-ID: <37B24AEB.96BCB5DB@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 21:17:47 -0700 From: eks1 Reply-To: eks1@earthlink.net Organization: Systems Research Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,en-GB,en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: So..what DO we call ourselves? was Re:(RUDE AWAKENING) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"hsdSm2.0.6b7.whait"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11435 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: William Beaty wrote: I do not consider myself to be a scientist, since the lable "scientist" brings with > it all sorts of negative crap. If you do science, I will tend NOT to call > you a scientist, since in my mind that is a bit of an insult. "Heretic" > or "maverick" or "science hobbyist" is a much better lable. Heh..Good Points Bill! I always tell em I'm a "Boy Scientist"..so I don't HAVE TO follow their damn silly rules! (Historical Point: Say what you like about Edison, he was a farsighted fellow..one of his new hires asked on his first day:"What are the Rules for this Laboratory?" Edison just shrugged, laughed, then SPIT on the floor! Hollering:"There aint no rules! We're jus' tryin' to accomplish something!") Cheers! -Erik ps-I think I'm making progress...I found a good supply of glassblowing stuff..I'm still looking for a good used vacuum pump that can do 3 microns or better ... anybody? I'll spend up to $1000 for a REALLY good one..but cheaper is more desirable! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 12 12:24:00 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA31826; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 12:23:30 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 12:23:30 -0700 From: Keasy@aol.com Message-ID: <1cb51b47.24e47901@aol.com> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 15:22:41 EDT Subject: Re: GIT inventor had rediscovered Bessler Wheel ? To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 Resent-Message-ID: <"BmtCO2.0.7n7.nynit"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11436 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: In a message dated 8/11/99 2:32:52 PM Pacific Daylight Time, harti@harti.com writes: > http://www.fortunecity.com/roswell/lovecraft/111/bessler.htm > > Will this work ? > No, but by all means anyone not convinced can try it. This is a straightforward system for which the theory is simple and has been proven accurate many thousands if not millions of times. For a working overunity system you need some feature not known to current analysis techniques, or at least applied in a unique way. Ken From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 12 21:33:11 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA32044; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 21:31:29 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 21:31:29 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.16.19990812212831.239fdf24@earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (16) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 21:28:31 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: hovering magnet between your fingers In-Reply-To: <199908040258.SM00234@[192.168.0.2]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"6iz5l.0.bq7.W-vit"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11437 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Rick and all, At 08:58 PM 8/3/99 -1000, you wrote: >Start with both fingers touching above and below as in the photo. Find the >neutral point, and then *very carefully* spread your fingers. I have to >brace my wrist against something and hold my breath. > >> Haven't tried carbon yet, but the candle wax I tested was slightly >> paramagnetic, not diamagnetic as required. I have tried copper between the >> magnets which I measure as diamagnetic (or eddy current repulsion?). Has anyone else tried carbon/graphite? The material I tried, from dry cells, turns out to be (relatively) strong paramagnetic, not diamagnetic. Texts say graphite, at least one form, is diamagnetic, about 2.6x that of bismuth. -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 12 22:26:04 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA09859; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 22:24:29 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 22:24:29 -0700 From: HLafonte@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 01:23:52 EDT Subject: Please see site to time date drawing To: energy21@listbot.com CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Resent-Message-ID: <"CLNvT1.0.uP2.Dmwit"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11438 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hello all, Please see my web site to help me time date design. I will give operation details in next day or so. Try to figure out operational theory if you want till then. Drawing is first drawing with heading of "cutaway view". LaFonte Research site 1 or http://hometown.aol.com/hlafonte/index.html Thanks, Butch LaFonte Note:If you don't want to mess with this just hit your delete button! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 13 00:59:56 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id AAA03325; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 00:58:17 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 00:58:17 -0700 X-Fidalgo-Track-MAIL-A: pm3-1-dyn48.skagit.fidalgo.net [209.191.182.63] X-Fidalgo-Track-MAIL-B: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 00:58:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <012c01bee6e2$877a7720$67b6bfd1@Pfepps> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: hovering magnet between your fingers Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 20:37:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"ekCgl.0.sp.O0zit"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11439 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Dave, I'm baaack :-) >Has anyone else tried carbon/graphite? The material I tried, from dry >cells, turns out to be (relatively) strong paramagnetic, not diamagnetic. >Texts say graphite, at least one form, is diamagnetic, about 2.6x that of >bismuth. Huh, the Handbook of Chemistry and Physics says for diamagnetic susceptibility: Graphite - 6.0 Bismuth -280.1 Where did you hear that? It might be very useful if true (Ecklin generator etc) Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 13 02:01:13 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id BAA10685; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 01:58:35 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 01:58:35 -0700 Message-ID: <010601bee569$97f81fa0$96d2989e@callaghansystems.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: "David Callaghan" From: "David Callaghan" To: Subject: Re: Heat Gravity Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 09:54:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"fQOPq3.0.sc2.wuzit"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11440 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi All I performed a crude experiment last night to test Peter Fred's theory; with a hemi-spherical aluminium bowl (albeit with a flat bottom) suspended across my gas hob by a thin stainless rod, pivoted at one end and with the other end perched on some digital lab scales. I know this is a crude experiment and there is a lot wrong with it, but I TOO found a decrease in weight of approximately 2.4% of the weight of the bowl. I now wish to perform a more scientific experiment, and all contributions to ensure I do not make any experimental pitfalls would be appreciated (although it will probably take me some months for me to perform and record the actual experiments as months seem like days at present). Check out Peter's site @ http://ww4.choice.net/~pbfred/ I cannot theorise/imagine the underlying principal of why this works (above what is stated on Peter's site), and there are a lot of observable contradictions, but is sure seems to work. I now know of three independent experiments that have resulted with similar conclusions. As it is fairly simple to try this; would anyone else care to give it a go? Now to explain to the missus what has happened to that ornamental bowl :=} Best regards David Callaghan DCallaghan@CallaghanSystems.Demon.Co.Uk -----Original Message----- From: Peter Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 13 02:10:00 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id CAA12461; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 02:08:26 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 02:08:26 -0700 X-Sender: knuke@mail.lcia.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: knuke@LCIA.COM (Michael T Huffman) Subject: Re: hovering magnet between your fingers Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 05:14:39 -0400 Message-ID: <19990813091439062.AAA174@mail.lcia.com@lizard> Resent-Message-ID: <"jDvJc1.0.c23.92-it"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11441 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >Hi Dave, > >I'm baaack :-) > >>Has anyone else tried carbon/graphite? The material I tried, from dry >>cells, turns out to be (relatively) strong paramagnetic, not diamagnetic. >>Texts say graphite, at least one form, is diamagnetic, about 2.6x that of >>bismuth. > > >Huh, the Handbook of Chemistry and Physics says for diamagnetic >susceptibility: > >Graphite - 6.0 >Bismuth -280.1 > >Where did you hear that? It might be very useful if true (Ecklin generator >etc) > >Fred Hey Fred! How goes it? This is just a quick question, don't bother looking anything up. Someone the other day asked me if I had "heard anything about Bismuth Teluride". I hadn't and hung up. In your tears through the data forest, have you seen anything about what this is being used for? It is evidently something fairly recent (a development or breakthough of some kind), and I just haven't had time to chase it down. Thanks, Knuke PS If you haven't already heard from her yet, I'm sending an MD your way to talk about alternative medicine. Michael T. Huffman Huffman Technology Company 1121 Dustin Drive The Villages, Florida 32159 (352)259-1276 knuke@LCIA.COM http://www.aa.net/~knuke/index.htm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 13 02:39:28 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id CAA15390; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 02:37:50 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 02:37:50 -0700 X-Fidalgo-Track-MAIL-A: pm3-1-dyn48.skagit.fidalgo.net [209.191.182.63] X-Fidalgo-Track-MAIL-B: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 02:37:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <016501bee6f0$6f7daf80$67b6bfd1@Pfepps> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: hovering magnet between your fingers Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 00:33:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"eh99q3.0.Jm3.kT-it"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11442 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Knuke, > >How goes it? This is just a quick question, don't bother looking anything >up. Someone the other day asked me if I had "heard anything about Bismuth >Teluride". I hadn't and hung up. In your tears through the data forest, >have you seen anything about what this is being used for? It is evidently >something fairly recent (a development or breakthough of some kind), and I >just haven't had time to chase it down. Thanks, Well not really, but a quick tear through the internet :-) brought up the fact that it is the major component of peltier effect thermoelectric modules, so it is not new but it certainly interesting for being highly thermoelectric. Maybe they had an unusual new use for it in mind... > > >PS If you haven't already heard from her yet, I'm sending an MD your way to >talk about alternative medicine. > OK, sure.. I'm at my store on Thurs-Sat now so let her know... Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 13 02:53:39 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id CAA17542; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 02:52:08 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 02:52:08 -0700 X-Sender: knuke@mail.lcia.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: knuke@LCIA.COM (Michael T Huffman) Subject: Re: hovering magnet between your fingers Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 05:58:27 -0400 Message-ID: <19990813095827812.AAA84@mail.lcia.com@lizard> Resent-Message-ID: <"SWt0-2.0._H4.8h-it"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11443 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >Well not really, but a quick tear through the internet :-) brought up the >fact that it is the major component of peltier effect thermoelectric >modules, so it is not new but it certainly interesting for being highly >thermoelectric. >Maybe they had an unusual new use for it in mind... I guess you haven't been monitoring the conversations lately, but there has been some interest in creating low cost, homemade solar cells, and thermoelectric generators. The output is generally small but it works forever. Some folks have been experimenting with creating a glue/polymer to put in between dissimilar metals. When I first heard of Bismuth teluride, I checked the label on Pepto Bismol, but it is made from Bismuth Salicylate. Not the same, but maybe worth experimenting with in the kitchen :) Thanks Knuke >> > >> >>PS If you haven't already heard from her yet, I'm sending an MD your way to >>talk about alternative medicine. >> >OK, sure.. I'm at my store on Thurs-Sat now so let her know... > >Fred > > Michael T. Huffman Huffman Technology Company 1121 Dustin Drive The Villages, Florida 32159 (352)259-1276 knuke@LCIA.COM http://www.aa.net/~knuke/index.htm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 13 05:35:46 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id FAA06125; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 05:33:39 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 05:33:39 -0700 Message-ID: <37B41222.1FBB@cyberportal.net> Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 08:40:02 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Power Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com CC: nuenergy@listbot.com Subject: Testatika & Radium Chloride, etc... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"PcEaE1.0.ZV1.Y21jt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11444 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Stefan Hartmann, I was cleaning out my files today on my server due to our web address change. I found this old URL still in my directory. I think that you will find it interesting because my response on the Testatika was posted. This should clear the air about the misconception that I was the one making the claim. This is an older file so some graphics and other links may not be valid. http://homepage.fcgnetworks.net/nuenergy/main15.html -Bruce A. Perreault From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 13 09:54:09 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA28095; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 09:53:46 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 09:53:46 -0700 Message-ID: <37B44E04.C716877B@intergate.bc.ca> Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 09:55:32 -0700 From: alik X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: old tesla books References: <016501bee6f0$6f7daf80$67b6bfd1@Pfepps> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"QpRc81.0.us6.Ps4jt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11445 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi everyone There is whole bunch of old (1917) issues of 'electrical experimenter' on e-bay with some Tesla articles (do a seller search of 'tire') , I spent my book allowance long time ago... Alik S. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 13 10:00:39 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA31471; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:00:07 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:00:07 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 07:00:03 -1000 Subject: Re: Heat Gravity From: "Rick Monteverde" To: freenrg Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <199908131300.SM00414@[192.168.0.2]> Resent-Message-ID: <"6iLe51.0.eh7.Ny4jt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11446 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: David - The reason heated objects weigh less is due to convection currents. If you weigh them in a good vacuum, you will find that there is no weight difference. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 13 14:12:31 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA31579; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 14:12:12 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 14:12:12 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 14:12:08 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: passive maglev Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"_bV4X1.0.Ij7.he8jt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11447 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: The diamagnetic levitator was recently in Sci. News and Nature. Check out these sites: Diamagnetic Levitator (graphite, no spin, no batteries!) http://lahr.org/john-jan/maglev/maglev.html SCITOYS: levitator (bismuth, w/lots of photos) http://www.scitoys.com/scitoys/scitoys/magnets/suspension.html It's a current topic on the new AMATEUR SCIENCE FORUM, see: http://www.amasci.com/sci-list/sci-list.html Challenge: make one that pushes up from below, rather than lifting from above. Hide the whole thing under a table, so all that you see is a small magnet which floats above the surface. Nasty: use a pair of crossed electromagnet coils in quadrature-phase to accelerate the spin of a tiny disk-magnet until it explodes. Set this up in a vacuum chamber, then allow in some air and see if you can duplicate a "re-entry burn" as your hypervelocity-spinning object collides with the atmosphere. Huh? : I wonder if a spinning magnet displays any obvious "Torsion Field" effects when it spins at oh, say 10KHz? Or might this magnet respond to a distant Torsion Field generator by moving measurably? ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com http://www.amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 11:44:36 -0700 From: Martin Simon Reply-To: tap-l@listproc.appstate.edu To: tap-l@listproc.appstate.edu Subject: Re: another passive maglev At 09:00 PM 8/9/99 -0700, William Beaty wrote: > >Here's one that uses bismuth instead of graphite. Plenty of pictures! > > http://scitoys.com/scitoys/scitoys/magnets/suspension.html This is based on our Nature paper and an article about it in Science News. It was clever for him to use bismuth shot as a source of diamagnetic material. More info and a link to the Nature paper is at http://www.physics.ucla.edu/marty/diamag/ A longer paper about the levitator and other variations is almost ready. I am going to offer some levitators for sale for use in demonstrations. They look similar to the one in pictured on the web site. There are 2 models and two types of graphite. Fixed gap model Variable gap model RGF $34 RGV $44 model PGF $54 PGV $64 The RG models use a purified graphite which has a diamagnetic susceptibility similar to bismuth. The gap between the magnet and the graphite plates is smaller than that shown in the picture. The PG models use the most diamagnetic substance available, a form of graphite with a very anisotropic susceptibility. It gives the largest gap but is much more expensive. The variable gap versions have an adjustable gap that can accomodate small magnets between 1/16 of an inch and 1/4 of an inch tall. They allow for experimenting with single sided stabilization. The top magnet can be removed if one wants to experiment with different lifters, although the new lifter would need to be supported in some way. The fixed gap versions are set to handle a 1/8 inch magnet (which is included). You can easily make these yourself. I have had a technician make up a limited number with an optimized compact design. We are trying to cover costs and pay the technician well for his time. Mailing is included in the price. Checks can be made out to me and mailed to Martin Simon UCLA Dept. of Physics and Astronomy 405 Hilgard Ave Los Angeles CA 90095 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 13 15:46:35 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA24620; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 15:46:17 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 15:46:17 -0700 Message-ID: <37B4A1B6.6124@cyberportal.net> Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 18:52:38 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Power Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com CC: nuenergy@listbot.com Subject: 6Khz. Inverter for Y2K Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Cu_Pk2.0.W06.v0Ajt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11448 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dear list members, Bringing a concept from bench-top to product level is no pic-nic. This is especially true when you are working on a shoe string budget. The first product that I would like to introduce is a 6KHz. power inverter that is run on storage batteries. The batteries can be charged by any number of alternative energy systems now available. Why 6KHz. you may ask? Two reasons, this was the output frequency of the Moray radiant energy device. It was also the output frequency of the Edwin Gray inverter that never made it to market because the security exchange shut down his manufacturing plant. Ok, you say why 6KHz? Because at this frequency you can light up light-bulbs four times longer from a battery source than you can from either direct current or at 60Hz. This 6Khz. frequency will also run 60Hz. motors and appliances, it has been claimed by Gray. At the very least we can light our homes more efficiently with this frequency. Right now this is one of my bench-top projects. What I want to do is to introduce a 1KW power inverter for a Y2K back-up system. The best circuit seems to be MOSFET driven. I do not see any major problem with the introduction of this type product. The next question that probably comes to mind is, why are you telling us this? Because I need your help getting this first product out. I need someone to build the circuits for me who is not going to charge me what a manufacturing plant would. You would be paid by the piece. You would also need to buy your own parts at the begining. You could start out building two or three at a time. I will put them into the pretty cases. What I don't know yet is how much of a percentage for the completed boards over cost. Once things get going everyone will make out... this includes the end user. If anyone is interested please send me a private e-mail. mailto:nuenergy@cyberportal.net This is the first step... let's make it happen! Sincerely, Bruce A. Perreault From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 13 17:30:56 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA21669; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 17:30:36 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 17:30:36 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.16.19990813172650.23b778b2@earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (16) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 17:26:50 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: hovering magnet between your fingers In-Reply-To: <012c01bee6e2$877a7720$67b6bfd1@Pfepps> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"yQuX8.0.UI5.iYBjt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11449 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Fred and all, At 08:37 PM 8/14/99 -0700, you wrote: >Hi Dave, > >I'm baaack :-) Welcome back! >>Has anyone else tried carbon/graphite? The material I tried, from dry >>cells, turns out to be (relatively) strong paramagnetic, not diamagnetic. >>Texts say graphite, at least one form, is diamagnetic, about 2.6x that of >>bismuth. > > >Huh, the Handbook of Chemistry and Physics says for diamagnetic >susceptibility: > >Graphite - 6.0 >Bismuth -280.1 Yes I've seen those numbers also but haven't been able to convert them to, say, a relative permeability that agree with others. Relative permeability of Bismuth = ? from the -280.1 number? Some other texts say that carbon (graphite) is -5.6 x 10^-11 H/m and define susceptibility as permeability= permeability(0) + susceptibility. Thus the relative permeability = 1+ susc./perm(0). This gives for graphite 1-0.000044 = 0.999956 The Handbook of Chemistry and Physics are in unspecified cgs units (and x 10^-6), and are for 1 gram formula weight(?). So I have trying converting them assuming they are "molar susceptibilities" as well without luck. Note in many cgs units the ratio B/H is a dimensionless number and = 1.0 for free space. So in some sense they are already "relative". There may be a factor 4pi as well thrown in. (B= H + 4pi*susc.*H) Have you managed to convert these H. of C&P. numbers to more familiar units? (Welcome to the world of techno-babble) -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 13 22:30:22 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA19415; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 22:30:02 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 22:30:02 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.16.19990813222739.1e574e04@earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (16) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 22:27:39 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: passive maglev In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"BOG7j3.0.Gl4.QxFjt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11450 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 02:12 PM 8/13/99 -0700, Bill wrote: > >The diamagnetic levitator was recently in Sci. News and Nature. Check out >these sites: > > Diamagnetic Levitator (graphite, no spin, no batteries!) > http://lahr.org/john-jan/maglev/maglev.html > > SCITOYS: levitator (bismuth, w/lots of photos) > http://www.scitoys.com/scitoys/scitoys/magnets/suspension.html Help, my computer doesn't like this page. I get a general protection fault (netscape) usually at 0% of a 95k file, but every time before getting info. displayed. Can someone give a description? Thanks, -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 14 00:44:22 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id AAA06442; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 00:43:04 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 00:43:04 -0700 Message-ID: <004301bdc756$b9bb0bc0$375959c0@callaghansystems.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: "David Callaghan" From: "David Callaghan" To: Subject: Re: 6Khz. Inverter for Y2K Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 08:39:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"vJx5h.0.Za1.8uHjt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11451 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Bruce 6kHz would probably not be the most efficient frequency for the actual inverter stage. Higher frequencies would enable you to make a smaller device. You would probably be better off buying a commercial inverter, and modifying the output stage if you require 6kHz output. 6kHz would probably be useless for TV's, clock's etc. Also a 6kHz supply may trash mains input filters on some devices (such as Sony TV's). If you still want to design your own, buy a MOSFET H-Bridge with integral logic level drivers and drive this using a PIC or similar Microcontroller with PWM output, and feed-back the output voltage to control the PWM. Using a H-Bridge you can effectively double the DC supply voltage across the input side of your output transformer. Best regards David Callaghan -----Original Message----- From: Bruce A. Perreault >The first product that I would like to introduce is a >6KHz. power inverter that is run on storage batteries. >The batteries can be charged by any number of alternative >energy systems now available. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 14 06:17:29 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA10619; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 06:17:04 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 06:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <199908141316.PAA14174@irene.ctv.es> From: "Vicente Jose Ramos" To: "David Callaghan" , Subject: RE: 6Khz. Inverter for Y2K Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 05:54:55 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"udSf71.0.mb2.FnMjt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11452 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi all, Well but we use 50 Hz in Europe... Maybe only the USA will enjoy this ? Are the USA powered by 117V by MATRIX? We use 220V in Europe! (only a joke) Vicente. ---------- > De: David Callaghan > A: freenrg-L@eskimo.com > Asunto: Re: 6Khz. Inverter for Y2K > Fecha: viernes 14 de agosto de 1998 9:39 > > Hi Bruce > > 6kHz would probably not be the most efficient frequency for the actual > inverter stage. > Higher frequencies would enable you to make a smaller device. > > You would probably be better off buying a commercial inverter, and modifying > the output > stage if you require 6kHz output. 6kHz would probably be useless for TV's, > clock's etc. Also a 6kHz supply may trash mains input filters on some > devices (such as Sony TV's). > > If you still want to design your own, buy a MOSFET H-Bridge with integral > logic level drivers and drive this using a PIC or similar Microcontroller > with PWM output, and feed-back the output voltage to control the PWM. Using > a H-Bridge you can effectively double the DC supply voltage across the input > side of your output transformer. > > > Best regards > > David Callaghan > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bruce A. Perreault > >The first product that I would like to introduce is a > >6KHz. power inverter that is run on storage batteries. > >The batteries can be charged by any number of alternative > >energy systems now available. > > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 14 09:29:00 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA19421; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 09:28:47 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 09:28:47 -0700 Message-ID: <37B59ABE.7DAE@cyberportal.net> Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 12:35:10 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Power Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: 6Khz. Inverter for Y2K References: <199908141316.PAA14174@irene.ctv.es> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"_se1R.0.Ml4.-aPjt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11453 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Vicente, Good point... A 5KHz. will be manuafactured for Europe or any other countries that will require 50Hz. We can also tyler the voltage output too. Either way there is still a 1:100 frequency ratio. -Bruce A. Perreault Vicente Jose Ramos wrote: > > Hi all, > Well but we use 50 Hz in Europe... > Maybe only the USA will enjoy this ? > Are the USA powered by 117V by MATRIX? > We use 220V in Europe! > (only a joke) > Vicente. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 14 09:42:30 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA23759; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 09:42:16 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 09:42:16 -0700 X-Sender: knuke@mail.lcia.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: knuke@LCIA.COM (Michael T Huffman) Subject: Super Batteries Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 12:48:36 -0400 Message-ID: <19990814164836078.AAA140@mail.lcia.com@lizard> Resent-Message-ID: <"aI0WR3.0.4p5.enPjt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11454 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: The Israel Institute of Technology just announced that they have successfully replaced the manganese dioxide cathode on a regular alkaline battery, with Iron(IV), which they are calling Super Iron. Evidently, of the two electrodes zinc (anode) and manganese dioxide (cathode) in a normal caustic cell battery, the manganese dioxide dries up or is used up first. The Iron (IV) is a chemically unstable form of Iron and was never tried because it turns to rust within a few minutes of coming in contact with most liquids or air, however in a caustic solution, the Iron (IV) is stabilized and becomes Super Iron. This gives the same battery a 50% more useable lifetime. Interestingly enough, the lead researcher's name is Stuart Licht, German for light. Knuke Michael T. Huffman Huffman Technology Company 1121 Dustin Drive The Villages, Florida 32159 (352)259-1276 knuke@LCIA.COM http://www.aa.net/~knuke/index.htm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 14 11:40:16 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA15732; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 11:40:03 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 11:40:03 -0700 Message-ID: <37B5B984.6ED5@cyberportal.net> Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 14:46:28 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Power Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: nuenergy@listbot.com Subject: Re: Super Batteries References: <19990814164836078.AAA140@mail.lcia.com@lizard> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"UrY2F.0.jr3.3WRjt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11455 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Michael, I have too laugh because my radiant cells have relied on this of iron since 1996. If anyone has bothered to carry out my process for themselves as outlined in my research manual then this would be crystal clear to them among other facts that have not been put into print. http://www.cyberportal.net/nuenergy/manual.pdf You see, all the heavy metals leached out of the ore are precipitated out. There is a heavy concentration of iron in the brown powder. This can easily be seen from the fact that this powder is attracted to a magnet. There are a few things that I have not made public about my brown powder. I have not hidden anything... one only has to carry out the process as I have outlined and the facts will present themselves. However, I find it necessary to point out certain unprinted facts as these "credible" mega funded research facilities announce their new discoveries. If anyone of you would reproduce my cells then all aspects of my radiant energy cells would become evident. Sincerely, Bruce A. Perreault Michael T Huffman wrote: > > The Israel Institute of Technology just announced that they have > successfully replaced the manganese dioxide cathode on a regular alkaline > battery, with Iron(IV), which they are calling Super Iron. Evidently, of > the two electrodes zinc (anode) and manganese dioxide (cathode) in a normal > caustic cell battery, the manganese dioxide dries up or is used up first. > The Iron (IV) is a chemically unstable form of Iron and was never tried > because it turns to rust within a few minutes of coming in contact with most > liquids or air, however in a caustic solution, the Iron (IV) is stabilized > and becomes Super Iron. This gives the same battery a 50% more useable > lifetime. Interestingly enough, the lead researcher's name is Stuart Licht, > German for light. > > Knuke > > Michael T. Huffman > Huffman Technology Company > 1121 Dustin Drive > The Villages, Florida 32159 > (352)259-1276 > knuke@LCIA.COM > http://www.aa.net/~knuke/index.htm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 14 16:03:33 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA03067; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 16:03:12 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 16:03:12 -0700 Message-ID: <37B5F729.BD5@cyberportal.net> Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 19:09:29 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Power Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ted Gondert CC: freenrg-L@eskimo.com, nuenergy@listbot.com Subject: Re: 6KHZ inverter References: <37B5C655.712AF2DB@teleweb.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"lVAOw3.0.ql.lMVjt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11456 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Ted Gondert wrote: > > Exactly what laws of electricity allow a light bulb to run 4 times > longer from 6 kHz derived from a battery and inverter than powered > directly from the battery? Do you know the definition of ROOT MEAN > SQUARE? That is the equivalent power from AC as compared to steady state > DC. There are Pulse Width Modulators used to power incandescent lamps > from batteries, but they work on principle of regulating the effective > voltage of the battery to proper voltage for lamp from higher voltage > with little loss in the switching circuit. Sold for spelunkers. I believe that the efficiency is due to the "skin effect." The traveling current from battery to load would not be wasted via wire resistance, therefore no heat waste from source to loads. In fact, the wires are cool to the touch. > > Besides 6 kHz might be rejected by input filters on electronic equipment > made for 60 Hz. I agree, in fact, this was Don Smith's problem with his circuit. As far as I know he has a solution for this problem. At this frequency Moray had to use specially wound motors. These motors were very high r.p.m. and extremely efficient. Special bearings has to be designed for these motors. Heating a hot-plate or iron is no problem with this frequency, warm-up time is almost instant. -Bruce A. Perreault From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 14 21:10:45 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA27299; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 21:10:24 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 21:10:24 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.16.19990814210648.23d7ec0a@earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (16) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 21:06:48 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: Sustained TMB Current In-Reply-To: <000701bee1cb$146497a0$bc57fea9@y9g6r3> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"P2ePX.0.Sg6.msZjt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11457 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Rex and all, At 01:23 PM 8/8/99 -0500, you wrote: >A milestone in TMB development, constant current output able to drive a >green LED. This provided by a new 3 plate design. > >For update and photo; http://www.atgroup.org/tmb.htm I tried this with a copper and (I think) tin plate separated by a plastic film, the clear type many food products are wrapped in: "cellophane". They were clamped by 2 rectangular magnets and, in addition, a wood clamp. I could measure up to about 30mV (copper +), it varies with time. It seems not to be affected by the direction of the earth's magnetic field, but is by movement or my holding it (not touching any metallic part) or just proximity to my hand. With the 3V range of my DVM, it discharges within a 10's of seconds with a 1 uF capacitor in parallel, like Stefan found. With the lowest 300mV range it actually charges to about -200mV. I tested this direct input range, and the DVM appears to have a input bias current. With the leads opened circuited, it takes a few minutes, with the 1uF low leakage capacitor it takes several hours. -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 15 10:01:29 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA09389; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 10:00:58 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 10:00:58 -0700 Message-ID: <37B6F2AD.72FFFB48@technologist.com> Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 10:02:37 -0700 From: Brian Snyder X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Fueless Engine?? References: <3.0.6.16.19990814210648.23d7ec0a@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"GQDLB1.0.YI2.A9ljt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11458 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I saw an ad for this in my local paper. Looks like they are located a few miles from me. I was wondering if any of you have heard of this before. Take a look....they even have a picture at the bottom of their page. http://fueless.engine.bizpage.net/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 15 10:19:31 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA14502; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 10:19:12 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 10:19:12 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 10:19:11 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: passive maglev In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.16.19990813222739.1e574e04@earthlink.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"UGnLN2.0.VY3.GQljt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11459 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Fri, 13 Aug 1999, Dave Dameron wrote: > > http://www.scitoys.com/scitoys/scitoys/magnets/suspension.html > Help, my computer doesn't like this page. I get a general protection fault > (netscape) usually at 0% of a 95k file, but every time before getting info. > displayed. Huh. The file is short, but it has lots of GIF graphics. Maybe it's bailing out before it displays the photos. The newer netscape should display the file BEFORE the photos start appearing. The text version is below. I tried this, but in my wisdom I tried pouring the melted bismuth onto a piece of thick plexiglas in order to form a flat, polished surface. No dice. At that temperature the acrylic outgasses fiercely. I got a flat, polished SPONGE made of bismuth. Thick glass should work in producing a mirror-finish surface. Or, just do as this author suggests, and pour the metal into the bottom of an upside-down cola can (and maybe skim off the slag to make a surface that looks like shining mercury.) http://www.scitoys.com/scitoys/scitoys/magnets/suspension.html Chapter 1 Experimenting with magnetorheological fluids. Suspending a magnet in mid-air. Building a Curie-effect heat engine. Going further: Superconductors. A magnet in mid-air. [levitation_closeup.jpg] Floating in mid-air between two metal plates, a tiny magnet bobs and spins in the wind from the viewer's breath. No batteries are used, no electromagnets, no supercooled superconducting materials, just some easy to obtain materials from local stores. [whole_3_quarter.jpg] Shopping list 1. 12 ceramic ring magnets (Radio Shack) 2. tiny neodymium-iron-boron magnet (Radio Shack) 3. 8 inches of 1/4 inch threaded brass rod 4. 4 brass hex nuts to fit the 1/4 inch rod 5. 2 brass or nylon washers to fit the brass rod 6. wooden base (5 inch square, 3/4 inch high) 7. 6 to 8 inch wooden support, 2 inches square 8. 5 by 2 inch wooden block, 3/4 inch thick 9. 1/2 pound of Bismuth (non-toxic bird shot (from a gun shop or sporting goods store) 10. wood glue 11. 1/4 inch drill bit and drill 12. large cheap cooking spoon (we will ruin it) 13. empty aluminum soda can 14. coarse sandpaper or large metal file 15. Titebond wood glue (or similar brand) 16. 5 minute epoxy Assembly The heart of the device are the Bismuth plates. These are what make the magnetic suspension possible. Bismuth is very similar to lead. It is easy to melt, and is as heavy and hard as lead. Because lead is toxic and bismuth is not (it is the active ingredient in the Pepto-Bismol medicine for upset stomach), it is used in environmentally safe bird shot for hunters. It is in this form that it is most easily found at gun shops and sporting goods stores. It can also be ordered on the Internet from Precision Reloading. Bismuth is also used in some fishing lures as a replacement for lead. This toy uses bismuth because of its special magnetic properties. Melting and casting the bismuth The first step in assembling the levitator is to melt the bismuth and pour it into a mold to make the two suspension plates. The mold is the bottom of an aluminum soda can, which has a convenient dimple that is about the right size. You can use other molds if you wish, such as aluminum muffin tins, but remember that they will not be suitable for their normal uses afterwards. Don't use something the cook thinks is precious. Place about a tablespoon of bismuth shot into the cheap spoon purchased for this purpose (don't use the cook's favorite spoon). Heat the shot in the spoon over a stove or propane torch until it melts. A bit of coathanger wire can be used at this point to rake the slag (bismuth oxides) off of the top of the melted metal and onto the side of the spoon. [before_melting.jpg] Next, carefully move the spoon over to the upside-down aluminum can, and pour the metal into the hollow in the bottom of the can. [pouring_into_can.jpg] Let the metal cool until it hardens, and the can is cool enough to hold. Only after the metal is completely solid can it be held under running water and pried out of the mold. [after_pouring_into_can.jpg] Use the sandpaper or a metal file to make the top and bottom surface of the metal nice and flat. Make another bismuth disk like the first one. Building the support structure Drill a 1/4 inch hole in one end of the 2 inch by 5 inch block, about 3/4 of an inch from the edge. This will accept the brass rod. Glue the 6 inch 2 by 2 support block to the base. Glue the 2 by 5 block to the top of the support block, leaving the end with the hole free. Allow the glue to dry. If you are very sparing with the glue, using only a very thin layer, the drying will only take a few minutes. I use Titebond wood glue. Assembling the magnet stack Insert the brass rod into the hole in the wood block. Thread one nut onto the rod from above, and two from below. Place a washer onto the rod from below, followed by the twelve magnets, and another washer, then the final nut. The last nut should be close to the end of the rod. Tighten it by hand so as not to shatter the ceramic magnets. Don't worry yet about getting the top two nuts tight around the wood block, since we will be adjusting the height of the magnet soon. [whole_noflash_1.jpg] Assembling the bismuth plates The levitator is very sentitive to three things: the distance between the two bismuth disks, and the height and strength of the magnet above them. The disks are kept apart by three spacers. These can be made from three pieces of bismuth shot, although wood or plastic would work fine. The spacing between the disks should be very close, leaving only a very small space for the magnet. If the distance is too far, the magnet will jump from the bottom to the top, or fall from the top to the bottom, instead of floating between the disks in mid-air. If the magnets are very strong and far away, the distance between the bismuth disks can be increased. Using the 5 minute epoxy, glue the three pieces of shot to the bottom bismuth disk, as far away from each other as possible, in an equilateral triangle. Once the epoxy has completely hardened (give it 10 minutes to be safe) start filing or sanding the tops of the shot, to make them just tall enough so the tiny neodymium magnet can fit with only a little room to spare. If you stack two of the tiny magnets together, they should just fit, touching both plates (only one magnet will actually be used). [levitation_closeup_2.jpg] Adjusting the magnets for levitation Hold the top bismuth disk in one hand, just under the stack of ring magnets. Let the small neodymium magnet stick to the bottom of the bismuth disk, attracted to the ring magnets. Now set the top bismuth disk onto the three supports on top of the bottom disk. The tiny magnet may drop to the bottom disk, or it may remain stuck to the top disk. If the tiny magnet falls to the bottom disk, lower the ring magnet assembly slowly by turning the rod while holding the top nut. If the tiny magnet remains stuck to the top disk, raise the ring magnet assembly by turning the rod and holding the top nut. At one point while turning the rod, the magnet will start to levitate between the disks. The levitating disk is very sentitive to slight changes in the height of the ring magnet assembly. The rod must be turned very slowly to make tiny adjustments to the height of the neodymium magnet. How does it do that? The bismuth disks are diamagnetic. This means that they push away from a magnet. It doesn't matter whether the north pole of the magnet or the south pole is used, the bismuth always pushes away. The diamagnetism is very weak, even in bismuth, which has the strongest diamagnetism of any metal. This is why the adjustment is so sensitive. The ring magnets attract the small neodymium magnet with just exactly the right amount of force to counteract gravity. However, if the bismuth disks were not there, the tiny magnet would jump up to the ring magnets, because as it gets closer, the force is stronger. Right at the critical point, where the magnetic pull just barely counteracts gravity, the weak diamagnetism of the bismuth is enough to keep the magnet from jumping up to the ring magnets, or falling down. The magnet thus floats, being repelled by the top and bottom busmuth disks. [back_to_scitoys.gif] _________________________________________________________________ Send mail to Simon Quellen Field via leven@scitoys.com ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com http://www.amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 15 10:27:24 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA17700; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 10:27:14 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 10:27:14 -0700 Message-ID: <37B6F8DD.4BF761EC@intergate.bc.ca> Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 10:29:01 -0700 From: alik X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Fueless Engine?? References: <3.0.6.16.19990814210648.23d7ec0a@earthlink.net> <37B6F2AD.72FFFB48@technologist.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"aIkco.0.TK4.oXljt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11460 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Brian Snyder wrote: > I saw an ad for this in my local paper. Looks like they are located a > few miles from me. I was wondering if any of you have heard of this > before. Take a look....they even have a picture at the bottom of their > page. > > http://fueless.engine.bizpage.net/ The thing on the picture looks like it could be a reincarnation of Papp noble-gas-mixture engine. Note the giant SCRs on heatsinks at each cilynder. Alik S. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 15 13:46:34 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA23998; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 13:46:12 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 13:46:12 -0700 Message-ID: <003401bee75f$1a32d180$b95cadd1@default> From: "Jim Shaffer, Jr." To: Subject: Re: Fueless Engine?? Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 16:42:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"QfRCe1.0.ts5.KSojt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11461 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >I saw an ad for this in my local paper. Looks like they are located a >few miles from me. I was wondering if any of you have heard of this >before. Take a look....they even have a picture at the bottom of their >page. > >http://fueless.engine.bizpage.net/ There's no such thing there. -- Secretary, Williamsport Area Computer Club Member, Susquehanna Valley Amateur Astronomers Personal Home Page: http://woodstock.csrlink.net/~jshaffer From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 15 21:37:41 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA30238; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 21:35:03 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 21:35:03 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.16.19990815212954.22b70f96@earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (16) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 21:29:54 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: passive maglev In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.6.16.19990813222739.1e574e04@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"JQU0O.0.JO7.sJvjt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11462 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 10:19 AM 8/15/99 -0700, Bill wrote: >Huh. The file is short, but it has lots of GIF graphics. Maybe it's >bailing out before it displays the photos. The newer netscape should >display the file BEFORE the photos start appearing. > >The text version is below. > >I tried this, but in my wisdom I tried pouring the melted bismuth onto a >piece of thick plexiglas in order to form a flat, polished surface. No >dice. At that temperature the acrylic outgasses fiercely. I got a flat, >polished SPONGE made of bismuth. Thick glass should work in producing a >mirror-finish surface. Or, just do as this author suggests, and pour the >metal into the bottom of an upside-down cola can (and maybe skim off the >slag to make a surface that looks like shining mercury.) > Thanks for this info! I don't know what's wrong with my version of netscape... The sources of bismuth are interesting, I'll have to get some. Wonder what other non-metallic options there are besides graphite (and superconductors)? Bismuth is quoted as the highest diamagnetic metal... The two magnetic fields, (magnet + diamagnetic decrease) made me think of the "repulsion coil" magnet for nonmagnetic but conducting materials. Normally an AC coil will repel a conductive ring by eddy current in the ring generating another magnetic field. (If the sideways motion could be stabilized, then this could also be levitation.) Now attach the conductive ring to the electromagnet and bring up another one, disk, etc. Eddy currents in it will repel it also from the electromagnet, but attract it to the first ring. If the field strengths are right in space, conductive objects such as pennies can be picked up. They will get hot too. Maybe some configuration can be thought of similar to the primary magnet + diamagnetic decrease? I noticed that Lindsay publications now sells a 1952 book on this "repulsion coil" magnet. -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 15 21:44:47 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA32638; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 21:43:15 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 21:43:15 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 18:42:49 -1000 Subject: Re: passive maglev From: "Rick Monteverde" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <199908160042.SM00414@[192.168.0.2]> Resent-Message-ID: <"ngHOf1.0.tz7.YRvjt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11463 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dave - > The two magnetic fields, (magnet + diamagnetic decrease) made me think of > the "repulsion coil" magnet for nonmagnetic but conducting materials. And *you've* made me think of the magnet trick discussed here a while back with the stack of magnets where the last one on the stack had it's poles reversed from the rest. You get both attraction and repulsion with a 'neutral' zone when bringing another magnet near. I'm wondering if that idea can apply to creating a small magnetic well where a magnet (or a small stack) can hover with stability. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 16 00:52:51 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id AAA30898; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 00:50:57 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 00:50:57 -0700 X-Fidalgo-Track-MAIL-A: pm3-1-dyn31.skagit.fidalgo.net [209.191.182.46] X-Fidalgo-Track-MAIL-B: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 00:50:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <005401bee93d$03654d40$2eb6bfd1@Pfepps> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: Fueless Engine?? Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 22:40:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"okWYQ.0.dY7.XByjt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11464 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Or maybe a version of the E.V Gray motor... > >> I saw an ad for this in my local paper. Looks like they are located a >> few miles from me. I was wondering if any of you have heard of this >> before. Take a look....they even have a picture at the bottom of their >> page. >> >> http://fueless.engine.bizpage.net/ > > The thing on the picture looks like it could be a reincarnation of Papp >noble-gas-mixture engine. > Note the giant SCRs on heatsinks at each cilynder. > >Alik S. > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 16 06:20:40 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA23248; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 06:20:12 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 06:20:12 -0700 From: JNaudin509@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 09:19:04 EDT Subject: The Poynting Flow Thruster experiment... To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 166 Resent-Message-ID: <"8aq6l1.0.9h5.B01kt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11465 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dear All, Now I come back after some weeks of vacation...I am glad to present you a new interesting experiment in the advanced propulsion field. This project is the logical continuation of the ARDA Project based on the Biefeld-Brown effect. The purpose of this experiment is to demonstrate that it is possible to generate an unidirectional thrust by using an asymmetrical flow of the Poynting energy in a capacitor. During a charging process of a flat capacitor, the Poynting vector ( S=ExH ) comes from outside the capacitor towards the wire connections, parallel to the surface of the armatures inside the dielectric medium. There is an energy flow directly proportional to ExB. This energy is not provided by the wires but comes from the surrounding space around the capacitor. ( ref: "The Feynman Lectures on Physics : Electromagnetism vol2, Chap: 27-5, fig 27-3" by Addison-Wesley Publishing company. ) The main idea is to check if an asymmetrical energy flow during the charging process of a flat capacitor is able to generate a thrust. For more informations and tests results with pictures, diagrams and videos see at: http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/delany/256/html/pft01.htm Best Regards, Jean-Louis Naudin Email: Jnaudin509@aol.com Overunity Web site: http://members.aol.com/jnaudin509/index.htm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 16 14:40:26 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA23122; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 14:39:58 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 14:39:58 -0700 From: HLafonte@aol.com Message-ID: <4eee2083.24e9deef@aol.com> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 17:38:55 EDT Subject: See "push me pull you" on site! To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: energy21@listbot.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Resent-Message-ID: <"bw0MW3.0.Bf5.jK8kt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11466 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: See "push me pull you" on web site. First drawing on page. Thanks, Butch LaFonte LaFonte Research site 1 or http://hometown.aol.com/hlafonte/index.html From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 16 18:58:33 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA32313; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 18:58:12 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 18:58:12 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 18:58:07 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com cc: sciclub-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: passive maglev In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.16.19990815212954.22b70f96@earthlink.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"a78z91.0.bu7.p6Ckt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11467 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Sun, 15 Aug 1999, Dave Dameron wrote: > Thanks for this info! I don't know what's wrong with my version of netscape... > The sources of bismuth are interesting, I'll have to get some. Wonder what > other non-metallic options there are besides graphite (and > superconductors)? Bismuth is quoted as the highest diamagnetic metal... > > The two magnetic fields, (magnet + diamagnetic decrease) made me think of > the "repulsion coil" magnet for nonmagnetic but conducting materials. HEY! PM-assisted inductive repulsion! If we place some copper foil on the bottom of a small ceramic magnet, and then we cancel *most* of its weight by placing a larger magnet above it... then a fairly feeble AC coil placed below the smaller magnet should be able to up push on the copper foil and lift it *really high*. AC inductive repulsion is far stronger than Bismuth diamagnetic repulsion. It still needs to plug into the wall, but at least it doesn't need any fancy feedback system. AC inductive levitation normally isn't so great, since it heats up the levitated metal quite a bit. Hey, maybe we could even make a TRAIN from this. Put a battery-powered AC coil in the train, and also a big magnet. Lift it with a row of magnets above, and run a copper rod below it for the AC coil to push against. Even a really feeble AC coil could lift it a fraction of an inch and make it glide along. ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com http://www.amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 17 06:47:45 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA12839; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 06:46:55 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 06:46:55 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990817094920.0111f3a0@inforamp.net> X-Sender: quinney@inforamp.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 09:49:20 -0700 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Quinney Subject: Re: Sustained TMB Current In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.16.19990814210648.23d7ec0a@earthlink.net> References: <000701bee1cb$146497a0$bc57fea9@y9g6r3> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"ZOx3r3.0.Q83.DVMkt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11468 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Dave, Rex, and all, I wonder if the cardboard dielectric was important. W. Reich used organic material between two metal plates and claimed that it "energized". Yes, it's anecdotal, and there's no known mechanism to account for it's positive action on biological material, but I've often wondered if absorption of air ions is significantly enhanced with that type of setup. Colin. At 09:06 PM 08/14/99, you wrote: >Hi Rex and all, >At 01:23 PM 8/8/99 -0500, you wrote: >>A milestone in TMB development, constant current output able to drive a >>green LED. This provided by a new 3 plate design. >> >>For update and photo; http://www.atgroup.org/tmb.htm > >I tried this with a copper and (I think) tin plate separated by a plastic >film, the clear type many food products are wrapped in: "cellophane". They >were clamped by 2 rectangular magnets and, in addition, a wood clamp. I >could measure up to about 30mV (copper +), it varies with time. It seems >not to be affected by the direction of the earth's magnetic field, but is >by movement or my holding it (not touching any metallic part) or just >proximity to my hand. > >With the 3V range of my DVM, it discharges within a 10's of seconds with a >1 uF capacitor in parallel, like Stefan found. With the lowest 300mV range >it actually charges to about -200mV. I tested this direct input range, and >the DVM appears to have a input bias current. With the leads opened >circuited, it takes a few minutes, with the 1uF low leakage capacitor it >takes several hours. >-Dave > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 17 12:01:28 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA22948; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 12:01:09 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 12:01:09 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.16.19990817115603.2367204c@earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (16) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 11:56:03 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: The Poynting Flow Thruster experiment... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Q0d5a1.0.Tc5.q5Rkt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11469 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Jean-Louis and all, I am having trouble with your email address. > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- >550 ... Host unknown (Name server: air-st.mail.aol.com: host not found) Welcome back. Very interesting. Can you give a diagram how you route the fine connecting wires to the capacitor to give free rotation on the tether? I cannot see them in your images. Are you trying different shaped capacitors also? >At 09:14 AM 8/16/99 EDT, you wrote: >>For more informations and tests results with pictures, diagrams and videos >>see at: >>http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/delany/256/html/pft01.htm >> -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 17 12:54:58 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA22504; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 12:54:25 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 12:54:25 -0700 Message-ID: <01BEE8F2.84ECE580@wst1> From: Remi Cornwall To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: RE: The Poynting Flow Thruster experiment... Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 20:53:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BEE8F2.84F60D40" Resent-Message-ID: <"MTjLv2.0.WV5.ntRkt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11470 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: ------ =_NextPart_000_01BEE8F2.84F60D40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jean, I like the idea. There's something there with this flow of energy = (though Feynman thought the theory screwwy), according to relativity, = flow of energy is also flow of momentum. Have you tried with a = dielectric? The electrical dual must exist with inductors and they = should be easier to work with. If it could be made toroidal, you would = dispel fringing field reaction forces sckeptics. Surely Tesla has = something to say on this, Bill Beaty and other Tesla fans should know. Remi. -----Original Message----- From: Dave Dameron [SMTP:ddameron@earthlink.net] Sent: 17 August 1999 12:56 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: The Poynting Flow Thruster experiment... Hi Jean-Louis and all, I am having trouble with your email address. > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- >550 ... Host unknown (Name server: air-st.mail.aol.com: host not found) Welcome back. Very interesting. Can you give a diagram how you route the fine = connecting wires to the capacitor to give free rotation on the tether? I cannot see them in your images. 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Tue, 17 Aug 1999 14:00:11 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 14:00:11 -0700 Message-ID: <37B9CDC4.E7A7D1B6@intergate.bc.ca> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 14:01:57 -0700 From: alik X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Seattle radar anomaly References: <01BEE8F2.84ECE580@wst1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"vOdXd2.0.0w4.QrSkt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11471 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hello everyone (especially if you are from Seattle) I just found out not long ago that a gentleman whom I only knew by his nickname of "Woody" at Radar Electric gadget store in Seattle died a few months ago. Woody used to have an array of radars in his backyard. At least one of those was picking up a substantial fixed radar target floating above the city about a mile or two from his house (don't know where he lived, been there once). The thing would go away in winter and come back during summer. I don't think he wanted to publicize it too much but then it does not matter now I suppose. Its probably better if it does not get totally forgotten. Alik S. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 17 14:11:56 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA26865; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 14:11:35 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 14:11:35 -0700 Message-ID: <003c01bee8f5$3d84d6a0$895323cb@-> From: "Peter Nielsen" To: Subject: Re: TMB & MFVC Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 07:09:25 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"zKWnE.0.VZ6.70Tkt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11472 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Did anyone download the MFVC pages off atgroup's site before they deleted it? If so, could you please forward me a copy. I may have some pertinent comments to make to the list. Thanks for your response. Peter Nielsen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 17 14:13:21 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA27604; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 14:13:04 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 14:13:04 -0700 From: JNaudin509@aol.com Message-ID: <932437b5.24eb2a29@aol.com> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 17:12:09 EDT Subject: Re: The Poynting Flow Thruster experiment... To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 166 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id OAA27524 Resent-Message-ID: <"yrc-B.0.9l6.V1Tkt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11473 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dans un courrier daté du 17/08/99 21:56:17é), r.o.cornwall@city.ac.uk a écrit : > Jean, > I like the idea. There's something there with this flow of energy (though > Feynman thought the theory screwwy), according to relativity, flow of energy > is also flow of momentum. Have you tried with a dielectric? Remi, Yes, the capacitor uses a plexiglass sheet as dielectric. The most important things for increasing significantly the resulting thrust is to use a dielectric which have a good relaxation time and also sustain a continuous flow of energy inside the dielectric medium, this can be done easily by using the leakage current. Regards, Jean-Louis Naudin From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 17 14:14:01 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA28609; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 14:13:35 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 14:13:35 -0700 From: JNaudin509@aol.com Message-ID: <2c2f111a.24eb2a2c@aol.com> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 17:12:12 EDT Subject: Re: The Poynting Flow Thruster experiment... To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 166 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id OAA28498 Resent-Message-ID: <"EFSLU2.0.k-6._1Tkt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11474 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dans un courrier daté du 17/08/99 21:03:39é), ddameron@earthlink.net a écrit : > Very interesting. Can you give a diagram how you route the fine connecting > wires to the capacitor to give free rotation on the tether? I cannot see > them in your images. Are you trying different shaped capacitors also? Hi Dave, The experimental setup used: The flat capacitor has been built with a common CD-ROM plastic box ( 125 x142 x 10 mm ) made with plexiglas (as dielectric ( thickness = 1mm ). The outside and the inside have been covered by an aluminum sheet (120 x 110 mm) . The apparatus has been tethered with nylon wire on a specialy balanced equipement. Two thin copper wires have been connected at 10 mm distance from the edge of each armature ( one has been connected to the zero potential and the other to the 30kV DC High Voltage generator ). In the picture ( http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/delany/256/images/pft1a.jpg) you can see the wires connection, as you notice one of the armature is placed in a closed bow (the CD box). The most important thing to do is to place the wire connections (above and below) near to the same edge of the armature ( at about 10mm ). Lets me know if you need a detailled picture about my setup. Best Regards Jean-Louis Naudin From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 17 15:10:30 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA22873; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 15:09:42 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 15:09:42 -0700 Message-ID: <000c01bee8fd$0a589520$6b5895d1@premio> Reply-To: "Gene Marlin" From: "Gene Marlin" To: Subject: Re: Seattle radar anomaly Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 17:08:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"HSaU9.0.Hb5.bsTkt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11475 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >of radars in his backyard. At least one of those was picking up a substantial fixed radar target >floating above the city about a mile or two from his house (don't know where he lived, been there once). >The thing would go away in winter and come back during summer. I don't think he wanted to >publicize it too much but then it does not matter now I suppose. Its probably better if it does not get >totally forgotten. Sorry to hear about this loss. As for the radar target, I hope you don't mind if I speculate. I think it was probably a thermal above downtown Seattle, caused by the urban heat-island effect, and the hot air caused by thousands of air conditioners running at once. The key to this is that it vanished in winter and came back with the hot weather. I read a science article a few months back about Atlanta, Georgia's heat island being strong enough to actually *create* thunderstorms on certain days. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 17 15:37:46 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA00755; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 15:37:16 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 15:37:16 -0700 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 17:37:11 -0500 (CDT) From: Zack Widup Subject: Re: Seattle radar anomaly To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: <37B9CDC4.E7A7D1B6@intergate.bc.ca> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"LOc653.0.iB.QGUkt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11476 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Tue, 17 Aug 1999, alik wrote: > Hello everyone (especially if you are from Seattle) > > I just found out not long ago that a gentleman whom I only knew by his nickname of "Woody" > at Radar Electric gadget store in Seattle died a few months ago. Woody used to have an array > of radars in his backyard. At least one of those was picking up a substantial fixed radar target > floating above the city about a mile or two from his house (don't know where he lived, been there once). > The thing would go away in winter and come back during summer. I don't think he wanted to > publicize it too much but then it does not matter now I suppose. Its probably better if it does not get > totally forgotten. > > Alik S. > My first thought on this is some sort of ducting into the "heat dome" that sits above many cities. Did he ever mention what kind of signal he was receiving? Did it have any sort of modulation on it? Zack Widup From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 17 17:24:53 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA09129; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 17:22:23 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 17:22:23 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.16.19990817171817.22b70654@earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (16) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 17:18:17 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: passive maglev In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.6.16.19990815212954.22b70f96@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"7C2Ik.0.YE2.-oVkt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11477 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Bill and all, At 06:58 PM 8/16/99 -0700, you wrote: > >HEY! PM-assisted inductive repulsion! > >If we place some copper foil on the bottom of a small ceramic magnet, and >then we cancel *most* of its weight by placing a larger magnet above it... >then a fairly feeble AC coil placed below the smaller magnet should be >able to up push on the copper foil and lift it *really high*. AC >inductive repulsion is far stronger than Bismuth diamagnetic repulsion. >It still needs to plug into the wall, but at least it doesn't need any >fancy feedback system. > So far no go. The biggest problem seems to be the AC attraction/repulsion of the small ceramic magnet to the AC electromagnet. The copper isn't nearly enough an eddy current magnetic shield. It vibrates and jumps around strongly (60Hz), that is until it finally gets an added push and jumps up to the larger magnet. -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 17 18:21:39 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA25078; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 18:21:17 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 18:21:17 -0700 Message-ID: <37B9E0C0.7D4C@intergate.bc.ca> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 18:22:56 -0400 From: Alik Shereshevsky Reply-To: alik@intergate.bc.ca X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (OS/2; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Seattle radar anomaly References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Y06ld2.0.h76.CgWkt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11478 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Re thermal idea His house was nowhere near downtown. What I saw was a 'blob' visible on X-band radar that used an old B-52 attack radar scanner/antenna with limited elevation control. The target was detectable only at certain elevation angles. I doubt if the radar was capable of detecting air flow etc as far as I know it had no doppler processing, MTI or any other semi-advanced features. Tom Bearden mentions a fixed target over White Sands that was stable enough to calibrate range instrumentation radar. (see Excalibur Briefing) I spoke with Woody's friend and it sounds like all his gadgets were disposed of. Maybe the guys at Radar Electric (what a coincidence) know something else. If you go to RE and ask them about it maybe try to go about it in a discrete kind of way so they won't hate me there for the next decade :-) Its kind of a delicate deal between Woody's privacy and his work being totally lost. Alik S. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 17 18:23:30 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA25554; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 18:23:12 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 18:23:12 -0700 Message-Id: <199908180123.VAA27090@fh105.infi.net> From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" To: Subject: 4046 Phase locked loop Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 20:18:18 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ZYDoA2.0.8F6._hWkt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11479 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hello, If anyone here has any experience working with 4046 PLL's, and would be willing to help me troubleshoot one, contact me offline. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Kyle R. Mcallister From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 17 19:31:51 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA13703; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 19:31:21 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 19:31:21 -0700 Message-ID: <002501bee921$19efefa0$aa618dd1@Pskate> From: "S. Boster" To: "Free Energy" Subject: Re: Seattle radar anomaly Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 19:26:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"DNDyk.0.0M3.uhXkt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11480 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Here's the other side of that phenomenon: in Phoenix in the summertime, the heat island effect keeps approaching thunderstorms from invading the metro area. It looks like a clear-air "football" with surrounding clouds on the weather maps. Scott -----Original Message----- From: Gene Marlin To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Tuesday, August 17, 1999 3:14 PM Subject: Re: Seattle radar anomaly >I think it was probably a thermal above downtown Seattle, caused by the >urban heat-island effect, and the hot air caused by thousands of air >conditioners running at once. The key to this is that it vanished in winter >and came back with the hot weather. > >I read a science article a few months back about Atlanta, Georgia's heat >island being strong enough to actually *create* thunderstorms on certain >days. > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 17 21:32:53 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA21618; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 21:32:30 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 21:32:30 -0700 X-Sender: knuke@mail.lcia.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: knuke@LCIA.COM (Michael T Huffman) Subject: Re: Seattle radar anomaly Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 00:38:54 -0400 Message-ID: <19990818043854796.AAA231@mail.lcia.com@lizard> Resent-Message-ID: <"YmhKd1.0.cH5.TTZkt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11481 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Ahoy! I've actually met Woody, but we never discussed this. Sorry to hear that he is gone. You might want to check out Bill Beaty's website and get the e-mail address for the Seattle Weird Science group. Better yet, I'll post the message there myself. Most of them probably knew Woody, too. That shop has been there for ever. Those guys in that science group have some pretty good instruments of ALL kinds, too. I lived just off Broadway on Capital Hill, and would roll down to the shop for parts in the summer. The walk back up was a killer. What makes me think that it might not be a thermal, is the fact that Seattle rarely has a hot summer, and being so close to the water, there is usually a good breeze. It rains almost 2/3rds of the time, but in spite of that, I loved that town. Knuke Michael T. Huffman Huffman Technology Company 1121 Dustin Drive The Villages, Florida 32159 (352)259-1276 knuke@LCIA.COM http://www.aa.net/~knuke/index.htm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 17 23:22:25 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id XAA12009; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 23:22:10 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 23:22:10 -0700 From: "Harvey Norris" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: The Poynting Flow Thruster experiment... Message-Id: <934957297.12614.982@excite.com> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 23:21:37 PDT X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 207.220.167.48 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"50jCd2.0.Ux2.H4bkt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11482 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi all, I too have returned after an abscence. I could not resist sending this letter from another list that gives great consideration to any ideas of using J Naudin test results for space vehicle. According to this seemingly well proficient author from the Tesla Coil Builders of Richmond Virginia (former capital of CSA) the effects you have noted will not occur in a vacuum. Please read the following letter and note my questions afterward. Displacement Currents It is interesting to note that in Maxwell's day he invented the displacement current on a whim as a logical and common sense item, even though there is absolutely no conductive item in a capacitor's dielectric to support the classic current seen in wires and metallic conductors. It also made his equations a full featured set. This current is found in all capacitor dielectrics, according to theory. However, in a vacuum dielectric capacitor, it appears to generate no magnetic field between the plates!!!! This was most troubling to Maxwell and he wrote to several scientifc friends that he hoped some proof of exisitance of the vacuum displacement current's demanded magnetic field might be found in his lifetime. It was not to be done however. As recently as 1994 Dr. D.F. Bartlett of the Univ of Colorado made the attempt using an ultra sensitive SQUID between two plates of a flat plate capacitor in vacuo. . He found 'zippo' mag field during charge or discharge. (this is a though experiment as the wires to the cap and metallic plate elements will create a field as we all know.) Being a lock step physicist he struggled for an explanation in his paper. Ortherwise all sorts of skeletons come out of the closet...(action at a distance, etc) He went into an arcane mathematical diatribe using the now, for the most part, disgarded Amperian current force laws to say that the circuit currents in their flow and ebb create canceling mag fields via the plates. (most folks cleave only unto the lorentz law which is in direct conflict with ampere's old law.) The Lorentz laws somehow don't generate canceling fields....Gee, sure wish they did. Maxwell could see logical delema this in his own life time and was adverse to using the Amperian current laws as they produce forces not in line with his theory. It vexed him mightily and to his dying day he was most concerned about the demanded, but seemingly missing magnetic field in the interplate vacuum dielectric. So by all means, read up on the displacement current. It is dished out in huge helpings to all us engineers. Fortunately we don't need to fret about mag fields inside our dielectrics so we never "auto-generate" the question. Physicsists, however, are not so lucky. While reading up on the THEORY it might be wise to heed the words of Sir Frances Bacon from his essay on studies................. ."Read not to contradict or confute, nor to believe and take for granted, nor to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider". Richard Hull, TCBOR I have often seen the terms Poynting flow vector and Lorentz force law seemingly used interchangingly and wondered what the difference was. Why should they have two names for the same thing,which seems to happen in physics for some of us who are not so enlightened. However a visit to J Naudins site of this experiment seemed to show me this difference. The first thing I wondered about was where did the magnetic field come from? Of course it must be a reaction to the "displacement current" to produce that magnetic field as noted in the above letter. Then of course a lorentz force reaction can take place between these two things. Can anyone tell me if this self imposed lorentz force reaction is a definition of Poynting force vector? Also if anyone can elaborate on R. Hulls statement that the lorentz force law is in conflict with Amperian current force laws? I am in the dark here. Sincerly trying to eliminate my confusion, Harvey D Norris ________________________________________________________________ Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 17 23:38:08 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id XAA15748; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 23:37:55 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 23:37:55 -0700 From: MKSBoysal@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 02:37:13 EDT Subject: A Pressure Fuelless Engine To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Resent-Message-ID: <"YSQXf2.0.zr3.2Jbkt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11483 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: << Hi folks, I came a cross this interesting website, inventor says: First of all, I would like to introduce myself. My name is Waclaw Florczyk, I live in Swidnica, Poland, at ul. Dluga 31 m.8. My phone number is +48 74 51-29-46. I am looking for an investor who would help me make the prototype of a pressure fuelless engine which I have invented. http://www.florczyk.com/english.htm Here is the address, see what you'll think of this. Mehmet.>> From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 18 00:08:35 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id AAA23811; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 00:08:24 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 00:08:24 -0700 Message-ID: <19990818070813.66375.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [208.255.80.68] From: "Timothy Flytcher" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: A Pressure Fuelless Engine Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 00:08:12 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"hdqAh.0.up5.dlbkt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11484 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Ya... is fuel less....except for pressure???? what pressure ... why air of course!!! hold on ..... what air pressure... isn't air pressure a fuel???? or is there some sorce of free air pressure I have overlooked??? hummmmm????? Timothy.... ><< Hi folks, >I came a cross this interesting website, inventor says: > >First of all, I would like to introduce myself. My name is Waclaw Florczyk, >I >live in Swidnica, Poland, at >ul. Dluga 31 m.8. My phone number is +48 74 51-29-46. > >I am looking for an investor who would help me make the prototype of a >pressure fuelless engine >which I have invented. > >HREF="http://www.florczyk.com/english.htm">http://www.florczyk.com/english.htm > >Here is the address, see what you'll think of this. > >Mehmet.>> > > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 18 00:17:41 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id AAA25451; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 00:17:26 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 00:17:26 -0700 From: "Harvey Norris" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Displacement Currents Message-Id: <934960615.4963.491@excite.com> Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 00:16:55 PDT X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 207.220.167.12 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"nwtQj1.0.aD6.6ubkt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11485 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: While on this subject I am once again motivated to repeat myself, the subject of this discourse is how an electrical current obtained through lorentz force law can be viewed as a gyroscopic precession. Extracted from Keelynet 3/31/99 RE: The erroneous thinking of cold fusion. http://www.keelynet.com/interact/Arc_1_99-4_99/00000760.htm Electric current itself might be explained as a gyroscopic precession in some circumstances. We know that an electric field will cause electrons to bouce from atom to atom in conductive materials establishing a drift velocity of electrons that we macroscopically observe as current. If the electric field is applied to dielectrics it stretches the molecule and in the small instant of time where this occurs a net charge movement or "displacement current" exists. To maximize this displacement current/vs time effect one only needs to allow the electric field to rapidly change polarity. Now we are told this may allow the dielectric molecules to spin,and in physics of two dimensions we find that when spin occurs usually part of the energy that would have enabled straight line or translational movement to occur gets transferred into rotational inertia or angular momentum. But we live in a 3 dimensional world so when we ask how these dipoles could spin in an electric field we must say the spin occurs with 360 degrees of rotational freedom with respect to that of the electric field. Now if another variable is brought into the picture, such as a magnetic field at right angles to the electric, our laws predict that the magnetic field will also exert a force in direct proportion to the volume of displacement current. How will this force act? It acts at right angles to the electric field; and it also acts at right angles to the magnetic. This is an exact analogy to the actions of gyroscopic precession; when a right angle force is applied to a rotation it causes a third right angle force to act. Essentially these 360 degrees of rotational freedom are then reduced to one correct way to spin; the magnetic field will exert a force on all the incorrect spins to make them spin all one way and we might say the magnetic field acts to cohere all the spins in 2 dimensions,eliminating the 360 degrees of rotational freedom. What I have described is an adaptation of the Lorentz force law to displacement currents.Thus if this effect is proven the currents caused by the Lorentz force in this example are nothing more than the effect of gyroscopic precession.But the problem becomes the fact that simple spin will not cause a current since we are dealing with a dielectric material to begin with. However what MIGHT occur is a special case where the dielectric might act in a diodic fashion to allow current conduction only at this dimensional direction. So many other factors are present that this is only a crude analogy to get one to think about further possible modifications.In the first place the molecules are not just sitting there experiencing gyroscopic spin modifications, but are actually undergoing translational movement through space resulting in random molecular bombardments. However if part of this linear momentum in converted into rotational momentum as is done in simple 2-d physics demonstrations of rolling cylinders; then the amount of random collisions per unit time will be reduced because of the reduced amount of translational movement that consequently occurs per unit time. So what is the greatest problem of electrolysis? It is EXACTLY these random collisions that express themselves as unwanted heat that perhaps the cold fusion scientists are actually hoping to find:when maybe they should be concentrating on ways to secure the exact opposite effect, to prevent this heat from occurring in the first place. ________________________________________________________________ Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 18 00:30:23 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id AAA27987; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 00:30:07 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 00:30:07 -0700 Message-ID: <01BEE953.DA9E08E0@wst1> From: Remi Cornwall To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: RE: The Poynting Flow Thruster experiment... Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 08:29:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BEE953.DA9E08E0" Resent-Message-ID: <"fai9d2.0.Cr6.-3ckt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11486 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: ------ =_NextPart_000_01BEE953.DA9E08E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Harvey and all, The displacement current is not a whim. The magnetic fields are there. = See Feynman vol.2 section 18-2 or 'page' 18-3 (better to number pages = sequentiality Prof. Feynman?). See section 27 and on. In section 27-5 = page 27-8 he talks about the absurdity of the Poynting vector citing the = apparent flow of energy around around a stationary magnet and point = charge. This really needs to be looked at, the whole derivation of S. = Why can't we take it at face value??? Is there really free energy here - = an open system. Maybe one taps it with Naudlin type devices and also = accrues reactionless motion. Keep an open mind, the experiment seems = good. It needs improving to say what it isn't and theory to fit numbers = to experimental data. I shall be re-reading that section closely. Remi. -----Original Message----- From: Harvey Norris [SMTP:tesla4@excite.com] Sent: 18 August 1999 07:22 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: The Poynting Flow Thruster experiment... Hi all, I too have returned after an abscence. I could not resist = sending this letter from another list that gives great consideration to any = ideas of using J Naudin test results for space vehicle. According to this = seemingly well proficient author from the Tesla Coil Builders of Richmond Virginia (former capital of CSA) the effects you have noted will not occur in a vacuum. Please read the following letter and note my questions afterward. Displacement Currents It is interesting to note that in Maxwell's day he invented the displacement current on a whim as a logical and common sense item, even though there is absolutely no conductive item in a capacitor's dielectric to support the classic current seen in wires and metallic conductors. It also made his equations a full featured set. This current is found in all capacitor dielectrics, according to theory. However, in a vacuum dielectric capacitor, it appears to generate no magnetic field between the plates!!!! This was most troubling to Maxwell and he wrote to several scientifc friends that he hoped some proof of exisitance of the vacuum displacement current's demanded magnetic field might be found in his lifetime. It was not to be done however. As recently as 1994 Dr. D.F. Bartlett of the Univ of Colorado made the attempt using an ultra sensitive SQUID between two plates of a flat plate capacitor in vacuo. . He found 'zippo' mag field during charge or discharge. (this is a though experiment as the wires to the cap and metallic plate elements will create a field as we all know.) Being a lock step physicist he struggled for an explanation in his paper. Ortherwise all sorts of skeletons come out of the closet...(action at a distance, etc) He went into an arcane mathematical diatribe using the now, for the most part, disgarded Amperian current force laws to say that the circuit currents in their flow and ebb create canceling mag fields via the plates. (most folks cleave only unto the lorentz law which is in direct conflict with ampere's old law.) The Lorentz laws somehow don't generate canceling fields....Gee, sure wish they did. Maxwell could see logical delema this in his own life time and was adverse to using the Amperian current laws as they produce forces not in line with his theory. It vexed him mightily and to his dying day he was most concerned about the demanded, but seemingly missing magnetic field in the interplate vacuum dielectric. So by all means, read up on the displacement current.=20 It is dished out in huge helpings to all us engineers. Fortunately we don't need to fret about mag fields inside our dielectrics so we never "auto-generate" the question. Physicsists, however, are not so lucky. While reading up on the THEORY it might be wise to heed the words of Sir Frances Bacon from his essay on studies................. ."Read not to contradict or confute, nor to believe and take for granted, nor to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider". Richard Hull, TCBOR I have often seen the terms Poynting flow vector and Lorentz force law seemingly used interchangingly and wondered what the difference was. Why should they have two names for the same thing,which seems to happen in physics for some of us who are not so enlightened. However a visit to J Naudins site of this experiment seemed to show me this difference. The = first thing I wondered about was where did the magnetic field come from? Of = course it must be a reaction to the "displacement current" to produce that = magnetic field as noted in the above letter. Then of course a lorentz force = reaction can take place between these two things. Can anyone tell me if this self imposed lorentz force reaction is a definition of Poynting force vector? Also if anyone can elaborate on R. Hulls statement that the lorentz = force law is in conflict with Amperian current force laws? I am in the dark = here. Sincerly trying to eliminate my confusion, Harvey D Norris ________________________________________________________________ Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com ------ =_NextPart_000_01BEE953.DA9E08E0 Content-Type: application/ms-tnef Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 eJ8+IjkHAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAEIgAcAGAAAAElQTS5NaWNy b3NvZnQgTWFpbC5Ob3RlADEIAQ2ABAACAAAAAgACAAEEkAYAqAEAAAEAAAAQAAAAAwAAMAIAAAAL AA8OAAAAAAIB/w8BAAAARwAAAAAAAACBKx+kvqMQGZ1uAN0BD1QCAAAAAGZyZWVucmctbEBlc2tp bW8uY29tAFNNVFAAZnJlZW5yZy1sQGVza2ltby5jb20AAB4AAjABAAAABQAAAFNNVFAAAAAAHgAD MAEAAAAVAAAAZnJlZW5yZy1sQGVza2ltby5jb20AAAAAAwAVDAEAAAADAP4PBgAAAB4AATABAAAA FwAAACdmcmVlbnJnLWxAZXNraW1vLmNvbScAAAIBCzABAAAAGgAAAFNNVFA6RlJFRU5SRy1MQEVT S0lNTy5DT00AAAADAAA5AAAAAAsAQDoBAAAAHgD2XwEAAAAVAAAAZnJlZW5yZy1sQGVza2ltby5j b20AAAAAAgH3XwEAAABHAAAAAAAAAIErH6S+oxAZnW4A3QEPVAIAAAAAZnJlZW5yZy1sQGVza2lt 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AAAARgAAAAA4hQAAAQAAAAEAAAAAAAAAHgA9AAEAAAAFAAAAUkU6IAAAAAADAA00/TcAAPL+ ------ =_NextPart_000_01BEE953.DA9E08E0-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 18 00:34:24 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id AAA30065; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 00:34:07 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 00:34:07 -0700 From: "Harvey Norris" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: A Pressure Fuelless Engine Message-Id: <934961642.25926.235@excite.com> Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 00:34:02 PDT X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 207.220.167.12 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"Vbsl9.0.gL7.l7ckt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11487 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Wed, 18 Aug 1999 00:08:12 PDT, Timothy Flytcher wrote: > Ya... is fuel less....except for pressure???? what pressure ... why air of > course!!! hold on ..... what air pressure... isn't air pressure a fuel???? > or is there some sorce of free air pressure I have overlooked??? > hummmmm????? > Timothy.... > > ><< Hi folks, > >I came a cross this interesting website, inventor says: > > > >First of all, I would like to introduce myself. My name is Waclaw Florczyk, > >I > >live in Swidnica, Poland, at > >ul. Dluga 31 m.8. My phone number is +48 74 51-29-46. > > > >I am looking for an investor who would help me make the prototype of a > >pressure fuelless engine > >which I have invented. > > > > >HREF="http://www.florczyk.com/english.htm">http://www.florczyk.com/english. htm > > > >Here is the address, see what you'll think of this. Huh? No polish jokes here? Why not just hook it up to the water faucet and utilize the pressure of the water co? Or do they have those things? The only thing I can find is error 404, cannot access site HDN ________________________________________________________________ Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 18 00:55:54 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id AAA02003; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 00:55:34 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 00:55:34 -0700 From: "Harvey Norris" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: RE: The Poynting Flow Thruster experiment... Message-Id: <934962903.29464.137@excite.com> Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 00:55:03 PDT X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 207.220.167.12 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"dpE1V1.0.9V.sRckt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11488 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Remi, you jump the gun. First you ask J Naudin if dielectric is used. He replies yes. This should have been apparent at first viewing of his site, it was apparent to me ... J Naudin must have thought he was repeating himself. Before I thought to make a comment on this I made sure I had viewed his premise in its entirety. Otherwise I might have been drinking too much and went off half cocked and said that isnt even possible what you are doing. In fact that would have been my opinion if I hadnt read on to see that apparently he has experimentally verified this supposed weak effect, and he of course used a classical physics text as verification of the principle. How that principle is interpreted by others is what is at issue here. J Naudin has done more than most, he has proved the effect at 30 KV charge separation across plexiglass,(a dielectric). I merely shot a hole in a further application of his theory as regards to using a vacuum application, something he should know about if he doesnt already. Sincere in the truth HDN ________________________________________________________________ Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 18 01:15:43 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id BAA06169; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 01:15:25 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 01:15:25 -0700 Message-ID: <19990818081522.16197.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [208.255.80.68] From: "Timothy Flytcher" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: A Pressure Fuelless Engine Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 01:15:20 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"G-ki8.0.IW1.Tkckt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11489 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >Huh? No polish jokes here? >Why not just hook it up to the water faucet and utilize the pressure of >the >water co? Or do they have those things? yes we have those things here... but here is california... land of the $200.00 water bills!!!! no joke!!! and that's with only a postage stamp of a yard!!!! Timothy... _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 18 02:24:49 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id CAA14093; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 02:24:30 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 02:24:30 -0700 X-Fidalgo-Track-MAIL-A: pm3-1-dyn5.skagit.fidalgo.net [209.191.182.20] X-Fidalgo-Track-MAIL-B: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 02:24:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <003d01beeadc$68da6340$14b6bfd1@Pfepps> From: "Fred Epps" To: "Free Energy" Subject: Re: The Poynting Flow Thruster experiment Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 00:19:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003A_01BEEAA1.BAD7ED60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"F_hGx3.0.6S3.Eldkt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11490 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01BEEAA1.BAD7ED60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Harvey and all, According to this seemingly >well proficient author from the Tesla Coil Builders of Richmond = Virginia >(former capital of CSA) the effects you have noted will not occur in a >vacuum. Without displacement current Hertzian waves will not occur in a vacuum either. > >Please read the following letter and note my questions afterward. > >Displacement Currents > However, in a vacuum dielectric capacitor, it appears > to generate no > magnetic field between the plates!!!! It does. > > This was most troubling to Maxwell and he wrote to > several scientifc > friends that he hoped some proof of exisitance of the > vacuum > displacement current's demanded magnetic field might be > found in his > lifetime. It was not to be done however. The B field from a slowly charging cap is very very hard to detect. As recently > as 1994 Dr. D.F. > Bartlett of the Univ of Colorado made the attempt using > an ultra > sensitive SQUID between two plates of a flat plate > capacitor in vacuo. > . > He found 'zippo' mag field during charge or discharge. Completely false. > (this is a > though experiment as the wires to the cap and metallic > plate elements > will create a field as we all know.) Being a lock step > physicist he > struggled for an explanation in his paper. Ortherwise > all sorts of > skeletons come out of the closet...(action at a > distance, etc) He went > into an arcane mathematical diatribe using the now, for > the most part, > disgarded Amperian current force laws to say that the > circuit currents > in their flow and ebb create canceling mag fields via > the plates. Unfortunately this is all totally inaccurate. Bartlett did in fact find = the magnetic field of the displacement current in a number of careful experiments and stated so without any more mumbo jumbo than is required = to be published :-) I have before me one of his papers "Measuring Maxwell's Displacement = Current Inside A Capacitor" Phys. Rev. Let. V.55 N.1 (1985) which states in the abstract, "We have measured the magnetic field directly inside a thin circular, parallel plate-plate capacitor as it is being charged. We = find that the field varies linearly with the distance from the axis, as is to = be expected if a uniform displacement current flows between the plates. = The measured slope of B vs. R agrees with predictions to within 5%". Later papers I don't have handy are even more careful and show the B = field of D even more clearly. This does NOT mean I subscribe to the standard model. However ALL the = facts, both the displacement current of classical Maxwell, and the Ampere = forces of Graneau and others, must be accounted for. To editorialize, the only reasonable explanation that accounts for all results is that space itself contains a store of "extra" field = momentum... which may be tapped. Space is spinning. >Also if anyone can elaborate on R. Hulls statement that the lorentz = force >law is in conflict with Amperian current force laws? I am in the dark = here. Yes, this relates to the forces between the current in different parts = of closed and open circuits. The Lorentz force law and Ampere force law = are identical in the case of a CLOSED circuit, however it has been shown convincingly by Graneau that the Lorentz law, which violates "action and reaction" is in fact false for open circuits. An example is the recoil = in a railgun. The Lorentz law predicts that the electrified rails of a = railgun will not feel mechanical reaction forces from the projectile-- the = reaction forces are presumed to be absorbed by field momentum. The Ampere law accurately predicts that the rails will feel equal forces to the = projectile. The entire Lorentz law is invalidated by a single picture of a buckled = rail gun. But the Ampere law is only applicable between and in conductors. In my opinion both laws are right part of the time and therefore neither = is really true. > >Sincerly trying to eliminate my confusion, Hope this helped :-) Fred ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01BEEAA1.BAD7ED60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Harvey and all,

According to this seemingly
>well=20 proficient author from the Tesla Coil Builders of Richmond=20 Virginia
>(former capital of CSA) the effects you have noted will = not=20 occur in a
>vacuum.

Without displacement current Hertzian = waves=20 will not occur in a vacuum
either.
>
>Please read the = following=20 letter and note my questions afterward.
>
>Displacement=20 Currents

<snip>

>  However, in a vacuum = dielectric=20 capacitor, it appears
>  to generate no
>  = magnetic field=20 between the plates!!!!

It does.
>
>  This was = most=20 troubling to Maxwell and he wrote to
>  several=20 scientifc
>  friends that he hoped some proof of exisitance = of=20 the
>  vacuum
>  displacement current's demanded = magnetic=20 field might be
>  found in his
>  lifetime.  = It was=20 not to be done however.

The B field from a slowly charging cap is = very=20 very hard to detect.

As recently
>  as 1994 Dr.=20 D.F.
>  Bartlett of the Univ of Colorado made the attempt=20 using
>  an ultra
>  sensitive SQUID between two = plates of=20 a flat plate
>  capacitor in vacuo.
> =20 .
>   He found 'zippo' mag field during charge or=20 discharge.

Completely false.

>   (this is=20 a
>  though experiment as the wires to the cap and=20 metallic
>  plate elements
>  will create a field = as we=20 all know.)  Being a lock step
>  physicist = he
> =20 struggled for an explanation in his paper.  = Ortherwise
>  all=20 sorts of
>  skeletons come out of the closet...(action at=20 a
>  distance, etc)   He went
>  into an = arcane=20 mathematical diatribe using the now, for
>  the most=20 part,
>  disgarded Amperian current force laws to say that=20 the
>  circuit currents
>  in their flow and ebb = create=20 canceling mag fields via
>  the plates.

Unfortunately = this is=20 all totally inaccurate. Bartlett did in fact find the
magnetic field = of the=20 displacement current in a number of careful
experiments and stated so = without=20 any more mumbo jumbo than is required to
be published :-)
I have = before me=20 one of his papers "Measuring Maxwell's Displacement = Current
Inside A=20 Capacitor" Phys. Rev. Let. V.55 N.1 (1985) which states in = the
abstract,=20 "We have measured the magnetic field directly inside a = thin
circular,=20 parallel plate-plate capacitor as it is being charged.  We = find
that the=20 field varies linearly with the distance from the axis, as is to = be
expected=20 if a uniform displacement current flows between the plates. =20 The
measured slope of B vs. R agrees with predictions to within=20 5%".

Later papers I don't have handy are even more careful = and show=20 the B field
of D even more clearly.

This does NOT mean I = subscribe to=20 the standard model. However ALL the facts,
both the displacement = current of=20 classical Maxwell, and the Ampere forces of
Graneau and others, must = be=20 accounted for.

To editorialize, the only reasonable explanation = that=20 accounts for all
results is that space itself contains a store of=20 "extra" field momentum...
which may be tapped. Space is=20 spinning.


>Also if anyone can elaborate on R. Hulls = statement that=20 the lorentz force
>law is in conflict with Amperian current force = laws? I=20 am in the dark here.

Yes, this relates to the forces between the = current=20 in different parts of
closed and open circuits.  The Lorentz = force law=20 and Ampere force law are
identical in the case of a CLOSED circuit, = however=20 it has been shown
convincingly by Graneau that the Lorentz law, which = violates "action and
reaction" is in fact false for open = circuits.=20 An example is the recoil in a
railgun. The Lorentz law predicts that = the=20 electrified rails of a railgun
will not feel mechanical reaction = forces from=20 the projectile-- the reaction
forces are presumed to be absorbed by = field=20 momentum. The Ampere law
accurately predicts that the rails will feel = equal=20 forces to the projectile.
The entire Lorentz law is invalidated by a = single=20 picture of a buckled rail
gun.

But the Ampere law is only = applicable=20 between and in conductors.

In my opinion both laws are right part = of the=20 time and therefore neither is
really true.
>
>Sincerly = trying to=20 eliminate my confusion,

Hope this helped=20 :-)

Fred
------=_NextPart_000_003A_01BEEAA1.BAD7ED60-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 18 03:47:39 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id DAA24268; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 03:47:24 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 03:47:24 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990818064040.011d20b0@world.std.com> X-Sender: mica@world.std.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 06:40:40 -0400 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Mitchell Swartz Subject: Re: Displacement Currents - Correction on cold fusion In-Reply-To: <934960615.4963.491@excite.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"ViDQs2.0.5x5.yyekt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11491 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 12:16 AM 8/18/99 PDT, Harvey Norris wrote: >While on this subject I am once again motivated to repeat myself, the >subject of this discourse is how an electrical current obtained through >lorentz force law can be viewed as a gyroscopic precession. Extracted from >Keelynet 3/31/99 RE: The erroneous thinking of cold fusion. >http://www.keelynet.com/interact/Arc_1_99-4_99/00000760.htm Without any comment upon displacement current, there is nonsense about cold fusion at the URL above which simply ignores the literature - typical of pathologic skeptics. References to the actual literature are available at http://world.std.com/~mica/cftrefs.html and http://kemi.aau.dk/~db/fusion Those that actually obtain the literature rather than listening to endless hot air, will learn a lot. Mitchell Swartz From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 18 03:49:01 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id DAA24794; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 03:48:40 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 03:48:40 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990818064157.011d1a90@world.std.com> X-Sender: mica@world.std.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 06:41:57 -0400 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Mitchell Swartz Subject: Info on cold fusion Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"05W6L3.0.F36.8-ekt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11492 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: References to the cold fusion literature are available at http://world.std.com/~mica/cftrefs.html and http://kemi.aau.dk/~db/fusion Those who actually obtain the literature rather than listening to endless hot air, will learn a lot. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 18 03:54:11 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id DAA28278; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 03:54:01 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 03:54:01 -0700 From: "Harvey Norris" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Diodic condition Message-Id: <934973608.27505.365@excite.com> Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 03:53:28 PDT X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 207.220.167.48 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"r2p2f2.0.jv6.73fkt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11493 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: In my previous Displacement Current post I refered to something I called a diodic condition. Perhaps I should have consulted a dictionary to ascertain whether such a word actually exists. My meaning was pertaining to diodes in their ability to conduct amperage in one direction, and not the reverse direction. In the context of the idea I was trying to convey I may have not specifically stated I was applying this idea to the use of water as a great dielectric material. Of course water is an insulator that is never used in that application because of its lower voltage breakdown threshold compared to other insulators. However it does have a comparatively high dielectric constant, and patents have been awarded to people now deceased concerning methods of fracturing the water molecule by using a high frequency AC method. These are notably Puharich and Meyers. People have supposedly tried to duplicate Meyers work to no avail. But it is better to keep on the point here. One of the primary points made in a ITS video some years ago about Zero Point Energy (T Henry Moray, the name escapes me?) was the production of a spin within a spin at right angles. It is hard to visualize such a thing in ones mind, but suppose we have a collection of water molecules between the plates of a high frequency electric field. That will stretch and spin them, and as previously mentioned, that spin has 360 degrees of freedom with regard to the to the direction of the electric field. Now if a magnetic field exists at right angles to the charge movements known as "displacement currents" it will exert a lorentz force at right angles to the illusion of NET charge movement produced exclusively from the spin of these electric dipoles. HOWEVER, the effect of a net downwards positive charge movement in this analogy is identical to that of a net upwards negative charge movement,in that the lorentz force on a moving charge in a magnetic field in this example is the same for both. If this is the case then how can this lorentz force law cause a spin within a spin at right angles? It begins to sound like that spin should cause a translational movement instead. BUT, the lorentz force law is exactly that, it obeys F=ma. It is the force on the free charge movement that influences both the masses, but the positive charge has 1726? times more mass, and additionally its movement is considered much more retarded in dielectric stretching. Thus it is concievable that as these collections of dielectric spins are made in one half revolution, if the lorentz force is to the right, those spins appearing clockwise to the magnetic field will be favored. The spins going opposite or counterclockwise will have a right angle force placed on their net charge movements to turn that spin around so that all spins tend to be cohered in the correct direction during this half cycle. During the second half of this cycle since the electric field has reversed polarity, we must assume that the lorentz force also changes direction. YES OF COURSE IT DOES! UNLESS THE MAGNETIC FIELD THEN ALSO SIMULTANEOUSLY REVERSES DIRECTION. IN THAT CASE A SPIN WITHIN A SPIN AT RIGHT ANGLES IS CONTINUALLY MADE BY E AND B LORENTZ REACTION. In that condition an actual gyroscopic precession of motion should show as vortex water motion if the sum of molecular movements shows as a collective macroscopic motion as a whole of the sample. However not knowing the total relation ratio between translational momentum expressed as heat and angular momentum of the molecules expressed as this effect, this is highly in doubt. If it were possible, then instead of using the falling waters of Niagra Falls to turn massive generators to produce electricity, it should be possible to allow the waters to fall through a spiral tubing of cohered E and B fields and have the actual water molecule to assume the duty of the generator; by making it produce a spin within a spin on its gravitational conversion of energy. This is very far fetched and this is not a science fiction list, but I have mentioned it as a precursor to the inverse idea, which I will now merit. We know that the lorentz law can be compared to gyroscopic precession on a sample of water molecules exposed to cohered E and B fields at right angles. We do not know if this will cause the water itself to act as a sum of molecular actions to exhibit a macroscopic action. However it is within all reason to suppose that the direction of this special spin within a spin will instead of causing actual movement of molecules will create a special case of conductivitity within an insulator along the path of this supposed gyroscopic reaction. An analysis of this movement shows spinning cohered electric dipoles that easily produce the ILLUSION of charge movement across a path. This is what I meant by a DIODIC condition on an insulator, that water can be altered by cohered E and B fields to MAKE it more conductive along that path. HDN ________________________________________________________________ Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 18 05:17:10 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id FAA09543; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 05:16:53 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 05:16:53 -0700 From: "Harvey Norris" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: A Pressure Fuelless Engine Message-Id: <934978582.28786.920@excite.com> Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 05:16:22 PDT X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 207.220.167.48 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"uNzjr3.0.yK2.rGgkt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11494 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Wed, 18 Aug 1999 01:15:20 PDT, Harvey Norris wrote: > >Huh? No polish jokes here? > >Why not just hook it up to the water faucet and utilize the pressure of > >the > >water co? Or do they have those things? > > yes we have those things here... but here is california... land of the > $200.00 water bills!!!! no joke!!! and that's with only a postage stamp of a > yard!!!! Water rates in Akron-Cleveland:I pay about 13 cents to fill my 100 gallon irrigation tank, on the other hand I think I pay about 13 cents / kilowatt-hour for electricity. I live at exit 13 on Ohio turnpike. HDN > Timothy... > > > _______________________________________________________________ > Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > ________________________________________________________________ Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 18 06:51:37 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA07129; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 06:51:22 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 06:51:22 -0700 X-Sender: knuke@mail.lcia.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: knuke@LCIA.COM (Michael T Huffman) Subject: Re: Diodic condition Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 09:57:47 -0400 Message-ID: <19990818135747921.AAC249@mail.lcia.com@lizard> Resent-Message-ID: <"mnrLu2.0.Cl1.Qfhkt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11495 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >In my previous Displacement Current post I refered to something I called a >diodic condition. > >Perhaps I should have consulted a dictionary to ascertain whether such a >word actually exists. My meaning was pertaining to diodes in their ability >to conduct amperage in one direction, and not the reverse direction. I think this is referred to in the literature as rectification. Knuke Michael T. Huffman Huffman Technology Company 1121 Dustin Drive The Villages, Florida 32159 (352)259-1276 knuke@LCIA.COM http://www.aa.net/~knuke/index.htm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 18 07:56:58 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id HAA03561; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 07:56:38 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 07:56:38 -0700 Message-id: Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 15:48:36 +0100 Subject: Re: Permanent magnet motor? To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: J.F.Grant@shu.ac.uk (John F. GRANT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"_cjTk1.0.Yt.ccikt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11496 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi everyone, I found a description of a permanent magnet motor on the net: http://www.newebmasters.com/freeenergy/ It describes a permanent magnet motor which uses two sets of magnets, one set of specially shaped ones (slightly curved and tapered) which are able to rotate around what seems standard bar magnets. The spacing between the bars and length of them seem to be critical relative to the size of rotating magnets (of course?). The whole system then only then requires positioning correctly and off it goes converting the attractive and repulsive forces of the magnets into circular motion, which is then shown (in an artists impression) has only to be attached by a belt to a standard generator. This stuff seems incredible - is it possible? Any comments would be appreciated. TTFN, John.F. p.s. I've converted the patent document to a word 97 file and saved a journal article from it's pdf format to bitmap pics if anyone would like to look at it I'll send it to you, but its quite a big file (5 meg). ************************************************* John F. Grant Research Associate Resources Research Unit Science Park (Unit 12) Sheffield Hallam University City campus Sheffield S1 1 WB Tel : 0114 225 4034 Fax: 0114 225 4496 e-mail: j.f.grant@shu.ac.uk ***************************************** "Never be angry when fools act like fools, It's better when they identify themselves, It removes so much uncertainty" Orson Scott Card From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 18 09:38:57 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA15738; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 09:38:35 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 09:38:35 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.16.19990818093412.2397f904@earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (16) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 09:34:12 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Ampere and Lorentz forces In-Reply-To: <003d01beeadc$68da6340$14b6bfd1@Pfepps> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"MX602.0.pr3.A6kkt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11497 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: was Re: The Poynting Flow Thruster experiment Hi Fred and all, At 12:19 AM 8/20/99 -0700, you wrote: >>Also if anyone can elaborate on R. Hulls statement that the lorentz force >>law is in conflict with Amperian current force laws? I am in the dark here. > >Yes, this relates to the forces between the current in different parts of >closed and open circuits. The Lorentz force law and Ampere force law are >identical in the case of a CLOSED circuit, however it has been shown >convincingly by Graneau that the Lorentz law, which violates "action and >reaction" is in fact false for open circuits. An example is the recoil in a >railgun. The Lorentz law predicts that the electrified rails of a railgun >will not feel mechanical reaction forces from the projectile-- the reaction >forces are presumed to be absorbed by field momentum. The Ampere law >accurately predicts that the rails will feel equal forces to the projectile. >The entire Lorentz law is invalidated by a single picture of a buckled rail >gun. > >But the Ampere law is only applicable between and in conductors. > Thanks for this information. Isn't a railgun a closed circuit? Here is a message from May 6: > >> > Maybe my current wasn't large enough? In one of his papers, Dr. Graneau > stated that up to a few thousand Amps, Ampere tension is negligible. I > initially tried a "railgun" configuration, but the iron electrical contact > to the copper rails > is not good enough and the plasma seemed to propel the iron crosspiece up. > Due to the noise, I put the whole assembly in a sound insulated box. Do you > have any more details about Tom Ligon's setup? > > There is another paper I have from EE Times, April 6, 1992 which describes > a copper "hairpin" floating in 2 pool contacts of mercury. This copper > piece was repelled from the current source. > According to Ampere, the long. forces in the mercury pushed the copper. > According to Lorentz, the force is from its transverse current in the > crosspiece segment. > It would seem easy to distinguish the 2 by just changing the width, thus > changing the Lorentz but not the Ampere forces? > > I also don't understand in a "closed circuit" the 2 forces are equal. What > is a "unclosed" circuit and why? > Thanks in advance. > -Dave The armature experiment by Ligon was with two simple rails and two car batteries in parallel and about 300 amps. The results were hampered by sticking welding of various armatures. Ferrous armatures rolled in the odd manner only the first time. After that they were magnetized and direction of roll was determined strictly by the direction or orientation of the bar on the rails by normal motor rules until the item was fiercly demagnetized in a 100 amp demagnetizier. Non-ferrous armatures rolled willy-nilly. Whether you like amperian forces or lorentz forces more current was needed I felt, though I was highly amused. Recently I saw a form of marinov motor which intrigued me and showed the video to all at our meeting. It was a stainless steel rod 1/4" in diameter 14" long in ball bearings. power was applied to the bearings and the rod spun up to over 1000 rpm! DC or AC made no difference. Direction did'nt conform to motor laws. Tim Raney of our group, built the toy and verified operation. It is best to run this puppy under water as the rod and bearings get super hot. The bearings don't last very long either. New systems will self start. Grungy, pitted or burned bearing need a small torque to start. This bastard is happy running in either direction. Again, AC or DC Voltage across the thing was about .5-.8 volts and about 25-50 amps. Lots of amusing wierdness and I really don't loose sleep over whether these SOB devices conform to anyones laws. I am certain both sides will explain the operation in their own characteristic fashion. The old school to maintain status quo, and the new energy freaks just to raise the hackles and insite. Hell, I am open to a third opinion which pisses on everyones shoes. The "hairpin" or paper clip in mercury experiment is the exact experiment performed by Ampere from which he deduced his forces! Old Farts educated in the last century made 5000 amp molten metal pumps which moved tons of metal electrically ( Longitudinally) either in culvert circuits or just for stirring, using what they learned about ampere forces in college. Once Lorentz forces became accepted and taught, these pumps never were though of again as they should not have functioned. Again, the Graneau's books sort of tell all and supply several experiments which confound the lorentz force laws. I am not sure of much of anything anymore and wouldn't be a bit surprised if both the lorentz and ampere forces aren't just special case laws of some more subtle but simple base understanding forever eluding us. The relativists supposedly relegated Newtons laws to "special case"! These old ideas are the only laws that work on earth and in the solar system and in common experience. The lorentz forces and the amperian forces could easily be the common rules of thumb in many but varied circumstances in common experience, while some more inclusive but mathematically cumbersome solution, like relativity, might describe every electrical-magnetic force reaction. One simple experiment violating a theory should topple it according to th' big "E" man. It is not so in reality as he and the Graneaus realize. The entrenched have the vast energy reserves of "acceptance inertia" to fuel their cause. This inertial energy source can power opposition for between 0.5 and 3 generations, on average. Richard Hull > >> -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 18 11:07:39 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA13552; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 11:07:19 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 11:07:19 -0700 Message-ID: <37BAE855.22878DB8@datacomm.ch> Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 20:07:33 +0200 From: Felix Meyer Organization: hb9abx X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Permanent magnet motor? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"h6dbL1.0.cJ3.NPlkt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11498 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: "John F. GRANT" schrieb: > > Hi everyone, > > I found a description of a permanent magnet motor on the net: > > http://www.newebmasters.com/freeenergy/ > > It describes a permanent magnet motor which uses two sets of magnets, one set of specially shaped ones (slightly curved and ... snip > > This stuff seems incredible - is it possible? > > Any comments would be appreciated. > Hi John, this motor will not work! If it would work as free energy generator then we would use this on instead of the power stations all over the world. The fact that it is patented by the US Patent Office means absolutely nothing. You can find 100 more free energy devices patented which all do not work. As example I refer to the W.HYDE Electrostatic Energy Field Power Generator Patent: US 4 897 592. This one I have examined in detail and its a hoax ! Thank you Felix From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 18 12:54:03 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA19050; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 12:53:28 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 12:53:28 -0700 Message-ID: <000701bee9b3$94bec2a0$3897fea9@fs11> From: "ATGROUP" To: Subject: TMB multi-stack Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 14:55:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"uzMdA2.0.Tf4.symkt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11499 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: New multi-stack TMB producing 5.2mA constant current. http://www.atgroup.org/xtmb.htm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 18 13:14:57 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA30455; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 13:14:21 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 13:14:21 -0700 Message-ID: <002901bee9b6$8145af60$3897fea9@fs11> From: "atglab" To: References: <000701bee1cb$146497a0$bc57fea9@y9g6r3> <3.0.5.32.19990817094920.0111f3a0@inforamp.net> Subject: Re: Sustained TMB Current Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 15:16:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"5xl831.0.lR7.SGnkt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11500 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I find it more than interesting how people attempt to duplicate some ones work and make decisions based upon their attempt. Maybe this is the bane of the inventors of the world. I am working at the lab today and we have achieved a milestone in TMB. We are getting 52mv across a 10 ohm resistor. This means (I know you can do this, but) P=I^2 R = (5x10-3^2) X 10 = 300uW sustained. I don't think this is so bad when what you se is what you get. The cardboard ?, maybe, but with the plastic film involved this would take a different scientist than me to figure the interactions and explain it. Right now I'm headed for max power, then will seek out help on what is taking place with all the different materials. ----- Original Message ----- From: Quinney To: Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 1999 11:49 AM Subject: Re: Sustained TMB Current > Hi Dave, Rex, and all, > > I wonder if the cardboard dielectric was important. > W. Reich used organic material between two metal plates and claimed that it > "energized". Yes, it's anecdotal, and there's no known mechanism to account > for it's positive action on biological material, but I've often wondered if > absorption of air ions is significantly enhanced with that type of setup. > > Colin. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 18 13:15:08 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA30846; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 13:14:57 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 13:14:57 -0700 Message-ID: <37BB149A.D4C940B0@technologist.com> Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 13:16:26 -0700 From: Brian Snyder X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Marinov Motor ?? References: <3.0.6.16.19990818093412.2397f904@earthlink.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------8424627EAA129B8B7ED13242" Resent-Message-ID: <"6DD7C3.0.lX7.0Hnkt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11501 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: --------------8424627EAA129B8B7ED13242 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Dave Dameron Writes: > Recently I saw a form of marinov motor which intrigued me and showed the > video to > all at our meeting. It was a stainless steel rod 1/4" in diameter 14" long > in > ball bearings. power was applied to the bearings and the rod spun up to over > 1000 rpm! DC or AC made no difference. Direction did'nt conform to motor > laws. > Tim Raney of our group, built the toy and verified operation. It is best > to run > this puppy under water as the rod and bearings get super hot. The bearings > don't > last very long either. New systems will self start. Grungy, pitted or burned > bearing need a small torque to start. This bastard is happy running in either > direction. Again, AC or DC > Do you have any info or plans so we can make this "toy"?? Looks like an interesting project. --------------8424627EAA129B8B7ED13242 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
 Dave Dameron Writes:
Recently I saw a form of marinov motor which intrigued me and showed the
video to
all at our meeting.  It was a stainless steel rod 1/4" in diameter 14" long
 in
ball bearings.  power was applied to the bearings and the rod spun up to over
1000 rpm!  DC or AC made no difference.  Direction did'nt conform to motor
laws.
Tim Raney of our group, built the toy and verified operation.  It is best
to run
this puppy under water as the rod and bearings get super hot.  The bearings
don't
last very long either.  New systems will self start.  Grungy, pitted or burned
bearing need a small torque to start.  This bastard is happy running in either
direction.  Again, AC or DC


Do you have any info or plans so we can make this "toy"?? Looks like an interesting project. --------------8424627EAA129B8B7ED13242-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 18 13:56:12 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA17630; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 13:55:54 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 13:55:54 -0700 From: JNaudin509@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 16:54:58 EDT Subject: Poynting flow thruster project : Proof of concept. To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 166 Resent-Message-ID: <"17eov.0.FJ4.Ptnkt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11502 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dear All, Today I have conducted an interesting experiment about the Poynting flow thruster project The purpose of these series of experiments is : 1) to check experimentaly the effect of the symmetrical Vs the asymmetrical setup of the wires connected to the capacitor armature, 2) to check that ionic wind is not the main cause of the resulting thrust. All pictures and videos about this test can be found at : http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/delany/256/html/pft12poc.htm Best Regards, Jean-Louis Naudin Email: Jnaudin509@aol.com Overunity Web site: http://members.aol.com/jnaudin509/index.htm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 18 18:27:52 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA21795; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 18:27:20 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 18:27:20 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990819092633.00896b60@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> X-Sender: jwinter@cyllene.uwa.edu.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 09:26:33 +0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: John Winterflood Subject: Re: Sustained TMB Current In-Reply-To: <002901bee9b6$8145af60$3897fea9@fs11> References: <000701bee1cb$146497a0$bc57fea9@y9g6r3> <3.0.5.32.19990817094920.0111f3a0@inforamp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"h2sty2.0.SK5.urrkt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11503 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: atglab wrote: >...We are getting 52mv across a 10 ohm resistor. ... Great to hear more from you guys. How do you get 52mv to light an LED? (particularly a green one - I think they take over a volt to light up) or was that a different arrangment for more volts and less current? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 18 18:32:33 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA23576; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 18:32:19 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 18:32:19 -0700 X-Fidalgo-Track-MAIL-A: pm3-3-dyn14.skagit.fidalgo.net [209.191.182.77] X-Fidalgo-Track-MAIL-B: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 18:32:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <00bf01beeb63$98699ae0$4db6bfd1@Pfepps> From: "Fred Epps" To: "Free Energy" Subject: Re: Permanent magnet motor? Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 15:43:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"gbH6h2.0.Cm5.Xwrkt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11505 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Felix and John, The Johnson permanent magnet motor does appear to work, from the evidence. The US patent office rejected his patent application until he brought a linear form of his motor to their office and demonstrated it. The patent office people couldn't stop playing with it:-) ... and gave him his patent. In addition the magazine writer to which John refers went to Johnson's lab and operated the devices for himself. I'll soon be putting the article on a website, and of course I'll let everybody know. >> >> I found a description of a permanent magnet motor on the net: >> >> http://www.newebmasters.com/freeenergy/ >> >> It describes a permanent magnet motor which uses two sets of magnets, one set of specially shaped ones (slightly curved and >... snip >> >> This stuff seems incredible - is it possible? >> >> Any comments would be appreciated. >> > >Hi John, > >this motor will not work! > >If it would work as free energy generator then we would use this on >instead of the power stations all over the world. Hmm, just because something WORKS does not mean it is automatically accepted by society. Electromedicine works very well but try getting it from your doctor :-) There are many reasons why a valuable invention can be lost. In the case of the Johnson motor, although it is a self-running perpetual motion machine, it is not able to drive a load of any real size in the form he built it. As a proof of principle it is amazing though. >The fact that it is patented by the US Patent Office >means absolutely nothing. True. However it was demonstrated to the patent examiners, which is another matter entirely. It should also be pointed out that Johnson had university support for his device. > >You can find 100 more free energy devices patented which all do not >work. True, but it doesn't logically follow that there are no working free energy patents. > >As example I refer to the W.HYDE Electrostatic Energy Field Power >Generator >Patent: US 4 897 592. >This one I have examined in detail and its a hoax ! It has been replicated and does not work, that is correct. I'd also like to point out that it only takes ONE "white crow"-- the Johnson motor-- to validate the entire range of attempts to gain free energy from electromagnetic processes, even if it is not a practical device in itself. Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 18 18:32:36 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA23540; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 18:32:15 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 18:32:15 -0700 X-Fidalgo-Track-MAIL-A: pm3-3-dyn14.skagit.fidalgo.net [209.191.182.77] X-Fidalgo-Track-MAIL-B: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 18:32:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <00c001beeb63$9929dda0$4db6bfd1@Pfepps> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: Ampere and Lorentz forces Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 16:16:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"_3BUX1.0.fl5.Uwrkt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11504 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Dave and all, >> >Thanks for this information. >Isn't a railgun a closed circuit? Hmm, maybe it would be better to say it is a circuit where the forces are made deliberately unequal to propel the projectile. I'll have to ask somebody I know who is into railguns. >> >> There is another paper I have from EE Times, April 6, 1992 which describes >> a copper "hairpin" floating in 2 pool contacts of mercury. This copper >> piece was repelled from the current source. >> According to Ampere, the long. forces in the mercury pushed the copper. >> According to Lorentz, the force is from its transverse current in the >> crosspiece segment. >> It would seem easy to distinguish the 2 by just changing the width, thus >> changing the Lorentz but not the Ampere forces? >> >> I also don't understand in a "closed circuit" the 2 forces are equal. Well picture current flowing through a wire made in a circle. If you divide this circle into very tiny segments, called circuit elements in the lit, and then calculate the forcs between each of these elements and all of the others, and then vector sum all of these forces, you get zero. What Lorentz said is that there is no force between adjacent elements. Ampere said there is a force, the longitudinal force. It is true that the longitudinal forces in the wire circle are not summed to zero-- if the wire is subjected to a high enough current pulse, and if it doesn't melt, it will break into small pieces due to these forces. What I meant was the forces between various parts of the loop sum to zero in both cases. That is why most ampere force demonstrations require an open circuit. The simplest experiment in the lit is to take a U shaped piece of wire and suspend it flat hanging from a string and touch each of the ends to two other wires so that a current can be put through the U. If the current is high enough the U will be driven away from the rest of the circuit. What >> is a "unclosed" circuit and why? It is a circuit where current is flowing but does not return to its source, for instance a stream of ions or electrons.. But I am not really happy with this answer, I will go back and look at the papers again and at least I wil be able to quote chapter and verse. Ask me again later :-) > >Recently I saw a form of marinov motor which intrigued me and showed the >video to >all at our meeting. It was a stainless steel rod 1/4" in diameter 14" long > in >ball bearings. power was applied to the bearings and the rod spun up to over >1000 rpm! DC or AC made no difference. Direction did'nt conform to motor >laws. Hmm, as far as I can tell this is not the Marinov motor but what is called --appropriately enough-- a "ball bearing motor" :-). I saw an article at least 10 years in Am. J. Phys. that talked about this and it is quite conventional though surprising to see. As I recall it is some sort of eddy current effect. The Marinov motor as further evolved by Phipps, Kooinstra, and others is quite different from this. In the most basic terms it works on the magnetic vector potential A of a closed loop permanent magnet. Picture a toroidal magnet with the field orientation around the toroid-- a closed loop. Now stand this on end and hang a loop of wire from above so it is hanging around the toroid, like saturn's rings. If a current is put into the loop by sliding contacts or mercury pools from opposite sides of the loop it will rotate. It does not appear to have a preferred direction but this is in dispute. Note that there is NO magnetic field in the space of the loop and that the current travels equally around both sides of the loop. Figure out how that works and you might get a nice prize :-) Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 18 19:02:26 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA04067; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 19:01:39 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 19:01:39 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.16.19990818185840.1d2f059a@earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (16) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 18:58:40 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: Marinov Motor ?? In-Reply-To: <37BB149A.D4C940B0@technologist.com> References: <3.0.6.16.19990818093412.2397f904@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Ajr2P2.0.S_.3Mskt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11506 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 01:16 PM 8/18/99 -0700, Brian wrote: >Do you have any info or plans so we can make this "toy"?? Looks like an >interesting project. > http://www.netcomuk.co.uk/~wwl/bbmotor.html -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 18 19:19:10 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA08978; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 19:18:52 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 19:18:52 -0700 Message-ID: <00d501bee9e9$1048a280$215cadd1@default> From: "Jim Shaffer, Jr." To: Subject: Re: The Poynting Flow Thruster experiment... Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 22:15:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"lhaHS2.0.BC2.Bcskt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11507 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >The displacement current is not a whim. The magnetic fields are there. See Feynman >vol.2 section 18-2 or 'page' 18-3 (better to number pages sequentiality Prof. Feynman?). >See section 27 and on. In section 27-5 page 27-8 he talks about the absurdity of the >Poynting vector citing the apparent flow of energy around around a stationary magnet >and point charge. This really needs to be looked at, the whole derivation of S. Why can't >we take it at face value??? Is there really free energy here - an open system. Bearden talks about the Poynting vector as a real, exploitable force in his new online book. Have you read it yet? See http://personal.lig.bellsouth.net/lig/i/n/infonet/Disclaimer.htm and follow the links from there. -- Williamsport Area Computer Club Susquehanna Valley Amateur Astronomers Personal Home Page From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 18 19:19:12 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA09013; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 19:18:54 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 19:18:54 -0700 Message-ID: <00d601bee9e9$11b9e5c0$215cadd1@default> From: "Jim Shaffer, Jr." To: Subject: Re: Diodic condition Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 22:17:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"NNROz1.0.gC2.Dcskt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11508 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >If it were possible, then instead of using the falling waters of Niagra >Falls to turn massive generators to produce electricity, it should be >possible to allow the waters to fall through a spiral tubing of cohered E >and B fields and have the actual water molecule to assume the duty of the >generator; by making it produce a spin within a spin on its gravitational >conversion of energy. This is very far fetched and this is not a science >fiction list, but I have mentioned it as a precursor to the inverse idea, >which I will now merit. Maybe Schauberger was doing this? -- Williamsport Area Computer Club Susquehanna Valley Amateur Astronomers Personal Home Page From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 18 19:22:14 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA10194; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 19:22:02 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 19:22:02 -0700 Message-ID: <37BB6A6D.8F09486A@ihug.co.nz> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 14:22:38 +1200 From: John Berry X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Marinov Motor ?? References: <3.0.6.16.19990818093412.2397f904@earthlink.net> <3.0.6.16.19990818185840.1d2f059a@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"OcpUO3.0.BV2.9fskt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11509 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: that page claims it's not a magnetic effect (I know that was marinovs claim), then why does it not work with an aluminium shaft? Dave Dameron wrote: > At 01:16 PM 8/18/99 -0700, Brian wrote: > > >Do you have any info or plans so we can make this "toy"?? Looks like an > >interesting project. > > > http://www.netcomuk.co.uk/~wwl/bbmotor.html > -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 18 21:01:29 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA13738; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 21:00:57 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 21:00:57 -0700 Message-ID: <37BB8126.54A77F18@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 20:59:34 -0700 From: eks1 Reply-To: eks1@earthlink.net Organization: Systems Research Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,en-GB,en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: A Pressure Fuelless Engine References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"i2IzP3.0.WM3.u5ukt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11510 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: MKSBoysal@aol.com wrote: > << Hi folks, > I came a cross this interesting website, inventor says: > > First of all, I would like to introduce myself. My name is Waclaw Florczyk, I > live in Swidnica, Poland, at > ul. Dluga 31 m.8. My phone number is +48 74 51-29-46. > > I am looking for an investor who would help me make the prototype of a > pressure fuelless engine > which I have invented. > > HREF="http://www.florczyk.com/english.htm">http://www.florczyk.com/english.htm > > Here is the address, see what you'll think of this. > > Mehmet.>> I'm sorry, but I just cannot help it..somehow the notion of an inventor begging for money off the internet is just......PATENTLY ABSURD! :D Cheers! Erik ps-assuming that this guy is for real, i.e. he thinks he's found a way to make some form of the Keely Atomic Disintegrator, it might be interesting to have someone who speaks/reads/writes in Polish to induct the fellow to our Circle...that is to say TEACH him the value of peer-review..as well as something of the history regarding "secrecy" in the alternate energy arena. Who knows, he might have something to teach us as well! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 18 22:51:05 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA12848; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 22:50:53 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 22:50:53 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.16.19990818224752.1edf17ce@earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (16) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 22:47:52 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: Marinov Motor ?? In-Reply-To: <37BB6A6D.8F09486A@ihug.co.nz> References: <3.0.6.16.19990818093412.2397f904@earthlink.net> <3.0.6.16.19990818185840.1d2f059a@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"QFZ1c1.0.e83.zivkt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11511 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi John and all, At 02:22 PM 8/19/99 +1200, you wrote: >that page claims it's not a magnetic effect (I know that was marinovs >claim), then why does it not work with an aluminium shaft? > Maybe the aluminum has different thermal characteristics? The earlier fowarded post said their shaft was stainless steel, which usually is not magnetic. -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 18 23:31:56 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id XAA22528; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 23:31:40 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 23:31:40 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.16.19990818232704.2e9706a8@earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (16) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 23:27:04 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: Ampere and Lorentz forces In-Reply-To: <00c001beeb63$9929dda0$4db6bfd1@Pfepps> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"h3wpX.0.rV5.CJwkt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11512 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Fred and all, At 04:16 PM 8/20/99 -0700, you wrote: > >>Isn't a railgun a closed circuit? > >Hmm, maybe it would be better to say it is a circuit where the forces are >made deliberately unequal to propel the projectile. I'll have to ask >somebody I know who is into railguns. Well, that sounds like it makes more sense than the open/closed circuit statement. > >Well picture current flowing through a wire made in a circle. If you divide >this circle into very tiny segments, called circuit elements in the lit, and >then calculate the forcs between each of these elements and all of the >others, and then vector sum all of these forces, you get zero. What Lorentz >said is that there is no force between adjacent elements. Ampere said there >is a force, the longitudinal force. It is true that the longitudinal forces >in the wire circle are not summed to zero-- if the wire is subjected to a >high enough current pulse, and if it doesn't melt, it will break into small >pieces due to these forces. >What I meant was the forces between various parts of the loop sum to zero in >both cases. That is why most ampere force demonstrations require an open >circuit. What I sometimes think is what many mean by "open circuit" is a circuit that isn't rigid so forces between different portions of the same circuit can cause movement. Just like your first statement. However, most do not say this... Even normal "Lorentz" circuits have forces between parts, just not longit. Picture 2 series connected electromagnets. > >The simplest experiment in the lit is to take a U shaped piece of wire and >suspend it flat hanging from a string and touch each of the ends to two >other wires so that a current can be put through the U. If the current is >high enough the U will be driven away from the rest of the circuit. Well isn't it then closed when current flows? Do you have any references for, for example, connecting the "U" ends to the appropriate battery plates and floating the jig in electrolyte? A U loop and a switched battery, all on a pendulum doesn't work. Both are closed, but the first isn't "rigid". > >What >>> is a "unclosed" circuit and why? > >It is a circuit where current is flowing but does not return to its source, >for instance a stream of ions or electrons.. But I am not really happy with >this answer, I will go back and look at the papers again and at least I wil >be able to quote chapter and verse. Ask me again later :-) I'm not happy with it either. Changing the transport mechanism of the current doesn't mean "unclosed", or a battery or vacuum tube (valve) circuit would be. >> >>Recently I saw a form of marinov motor which intrigued me and showed the >>video to >>all at our meeting. >Hmm, as far as I can tell this is not the Marinov motor but what is >called --appropriately enough-- a "ball bearing motor" :-). I saw an >article at least 10 years in Am. J. Phys. that talked about this and it is >quite conventional though surprising to see. As I recall it is some sort of >eddy current effect. Well the 2 are clearly different devices. The "ball bearing" motor article states it is thermal, but haven't done any experiments with it. > >The Marinov motor as further evolved by Phipps, Kooinstra, and others is >quite different from this. In the most basic terms it works on the magnetic >vector potential A of a closed loop permanent magnet. Picture a toroidal >magnet with the field orientation around the toroid-- a closed loop. Now >stand this on end and hang a loop of wire from above so it is hanging around >the toroid, like saturn's rings. >If a current is put into the loop by sliding contacts or mercury pools from >opposite sides of the loop it will rotate. >It does not appear to have a preferred direction but this is in dispute. > >Note that there is NO magnetic field in the space of the loop and that the >current travels equally around both sides of the loop. Figure out how that >works and you might get a nice prize :-) > No I haven't figured it out yet, either by Lorentz or Ampere. I can maybe see alignment as the VACE element and the ring contacts define an axis and angle. The jury is still out on the operation. I have read that only 2 people have got it to work: Kooistra and Cyril Smith. Others have not (Jorge Valverde), who have used up to 100 Amps in the ring. -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 19 01:47:45 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id BAA14133; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 01:47:24 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 01:47:24 -0700 Message-ID: <37BBB652.D463E919@datacomm.ch> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 10:46:26 +0200 From: Felix Meyer Organization: hb9abx X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Permanent magnet motor? References: <00bf01beeb63$98699ae0$4db6bfd1@Pfepps> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"qXrqA1.0.kS3.SIykt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11513 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Fred Epps wrote: > > Hi Felix and John, > > The Johnson permanent magnet motor does appear to work, .... snip > > True. However it was demonstrated to the patent examiners, which is another > matter entirely. It should also be pointed out that Johnson had university > support for his device. > > > >You can find 100 more free energy devices patented which all do not > >work. > ... snip > True, but it doesn't logically follow that there are no working free energy > patents. > > ... snip Hi Fred ans all, I think, the problem here is, that many times the plans in the patent do not represent a running machine correctly. This is done many times INTENTIONALLY to prevent copying. Felix From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 19 02:15:35 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id CAA17798; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 02:15:15 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 02:15:15 -0700 Message-ID: <01BEEA2B.889C71C0@wst1> From: Remi Cornwall To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: RE: The Poynting Flow Thruster experiment... Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 10:13:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BEEA2B.889C71C0" Resent-Message-ID: <"zI1NL3.0.xL4.Ziykt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11514 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: ------ =_NextPart_000_01BEEA2B.889C71C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cheers Jim, Will look. Remi. -----Original Message----- From: Jim Shaffer, Jr. [SMTP:jshaffer@csrlink.net] Sent: 19 August 1999 03:16 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: The Poynting Flow Thruster experiment... >The displacement current is not a whim. The magnetic fields are there. See Feynman >vol.2 section 18-2 or 'page' 18-3 (better to number pages sequentiality Prof. Feynman?). >See section 27 and on. In section 27-5 page 27-8 he talks about the absurdity of the >Poynting vector citing the apparent flow of energy around around a stationary magnet >and point charge. This really needs to be looked at, the whole derivation of S. Why can't >we take it at face value??? Is there really free energy here - an open system. Bearden talks about the Poynting vector as a real, exploitable force in his new online book. Have you read it yet? 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Thu, 19 Aug 1999 02:28:48 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 02:28:48 -0700 Message-ID: <37BBC573.37B4@xtra.co.nz> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 20:50:59 +1200 From: Robbie Rowntree Reply-To: rown@xtra.co.nz Organization: Robbie Rowntree's Amazing Magnetic Machine's X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-XTRA (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vortexC-L@eskimo.com CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: HIT YOU WITH 2 X 4 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------1381601A2B55" Resent-Message-ID: <"swzvb.0.w95.Gvykt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11515 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------1381601A2B55 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > From: Peter Fred [mailto:pbfred@choice.net] > Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 1999 2:17 AM > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > In my laboratory or living room I make heat flow through a hemisphere in the > steady state and I get a decrease in weight (~3.7 %). 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07:35:25 -0700 Message-ID: <004001beea50$4e7498e0$3ce7fea9@fs11> From: "atglab" To: References: <000701bee1cb$146497a0$bc57fea9@y9g6r3><3.0.5.32.19990817094920.0111f3a0@inforamp.net> <3.0.6.32.19990819092633.00896b60@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> Subject: Re: Sustained TMB Current Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 09:37:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"ea_2u3.0.HX5.hO1lt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11516 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I think there is some confusion here, the LED is being driven by the MFVC and not the TMB's. We are going to complete the TMB web pages before placing the MFVC back on (with a name change as suggested by Stefan Hartman). Anyway they are very different configuration and at first look may appear the same yet are different in metal layers and magnet configuration. We are trying to get the TMB's to the LED driving stage, but this is the best so far. ----- Original Message ----- From: John Winterflood To: Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 1999 8:26 PM Subject: Re: Sustained TMB Current > atglab wrote: > >...We are getting 52mv across a 10 ohm resistor. ... > > Great to hear more from you guys. How do you get 52mv to light an LED? > (particularly a green one - I think they take over a volt to light up) > or was that a different arrangment for more volts and less current? > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 19 08:36:49 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id IAA23838; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 08:36:31 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 08:36:31 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.16.19990819083130.25ff15ca@earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (16) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 08:31:30 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: PM-assisted inductive repulsion Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"gOrga3.0.Nq5.-H2lt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11517 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi all, >At 06:58 PM 8/16/99 -0700, Bill wrote: >> >>HEY! PM-assisted inductive repulsion! >> >>If we place some copper foil on the bottom of a small ceramic magnet, and >>then we cancel *most* of its weight by placing a larger magnet above it... >>then a fairly feeble AC coil placed below the smaller magnet should be >>able to up push on the copper foil and lift it *really high*. AC >>inductive repulsion is far stronger than Bismuth diamagnetic repulsion. >>It still needs to plug into the wall, but at least it doesn't need any >>fancy feedback system. >> And I wrote: >So far no go. The biggest problem seems to be the AC attraction/repulsion of the small ceramic magnet to the AC electromagnet. The copper isn't nearly enough an eddy current magnetic shield. It vibrates and jumps around strongly (60Hz), that is until it finally gets an added push and jumps up to the larger magnet. >-Dave > I solved the vibration problem, I just spaced the small magnet and copper apart. The copper is now a ring. Although it seems that I should find the force "well" easily (The repulsion at the bottom falls off much quicker than the attraction increases at the top), so far I have not. The approx. distance between the fixed magnet above the free unit and the smaller magnet at the top of the free unit is 3 cm. xxxNNNNNNNN x x SSS x | x | x | x c-c x XXX x XXX x XXX xxxxxxxxx xxx= adjustable frame XXX= AC coil and core c-c= copper ring. -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 19 20:54:49 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA30061; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 20:54:29 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 20:54:29 -0700 From: "Harvey Norris" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Acceptance for Value Message-Id: <935121199.9943.655@excite.com> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 20:53:19 PDT X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 207.220.167.136 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"MN3aF2.0.YL7.r5Dlt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11518 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Although the course may change, the rivers always reach the sea. Led Zeppelin Matthew 5: 25-26 Agree with thine adversary quickly while thou art with him on the way; lest thy opponent deliver thee to the judge, and the judge to the officer,and thou be cast into prison. Amen I say unto thee, thou wilt not come out from it until thou hast paid the last penny. (Saint Joseph New Catholic Edition) Some people know what this is about, others do not. Some of us worry too much about the consequences of revolution, and I am one of those. I will have no part in fraud, I believe in God. Tesla liked to make pronouncements on his birthday of July 9th. There happened to be incredible things associated between Teslas history and my own, and as things went along I began to think it permissible to act as his spokesman in abscentia. However the strawman I hold title to as HARVEY D NORRIS needs to be redeemed at better than quoted face value as transferred by the agencies whom have mortgaged this value in trade. In order to increase this value it becomes imperative that I put the appropriate agencies at notice that my worth is greater than the quoted sum of $630,000.00 which was assumed as the common strawman value in US currency estimation which consists of the average mortgaged value concerning the practice of world governments trading in birth certificates. As such claims have been made the business of proving this can now be made.Appropriate and prior to filings; On 9/7/99 test results of Keely prognosis concerning 48,200 hz resonance being a disruptive effect on the water molecule shall be released on this freenrg-l list. Primarily the first results will come from an earlier test at 32,730 hz which is within 5% of Puharich prediction of third harmonic of tetrahedral water resonance. These tests will use only 4 components,an inductor,capacitor,electrolysizor, and arc gap. No solid state electronics involved. Redemption involves making a statement before the world, or perhaps in this remote view of things before your peers on this discussion list. Actually redemption has an entirely different meaning to many others, and I do not normally use religious quotes in my entrees. However this is a USA political thing that is happening that foreigners have no idea of. I stand by my statements mentioned before,and one way or another I will repeat on 9/7/99. Sincerly HDN ________________________________________________________________ Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 20 01:22:22 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id BAA24763; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 01:21:12 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 01:21:12 -0700 Message-ID: <37BCF5A7.6F1ACB1E@telusplanet.net> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 01:28:55 -0500 From: Don Adams Reply-To: donadams@telusplanet.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Acceptance for Value References: <935121199.9943.655@excite.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Orf_03.0.q26.t_Glt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11519 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: wow.... Harvey, you rock bro! can't wait for more..... cheers! :) Harvey Norris wrote: > Although the course may change, the rivers always reach the sea. Led > Zeppelin > > Matthew 5: 25-26 > Agree with thine adversary quickly while thou art with him on the way; > lest thy opponent deliver thee to the judge, and the judge to the > officer,and thou be cast into prison. > Amen I say unto thee, thou wilt not come out from it until thou hast > paid the last penny. > (Saint Joseph New Catholic Edition) > > Some people know what this is about, others do not. > Some of us worry too much about the consequences of revolution, and I am one > of those. I will have no part in fraud, I believe in God. > > Tesla liked to make pronouncements on his birthday of July 9th. There > happened to be incredible things associated between Teslas history and my > own, and as things went along I began to think it permissible to act as his > spokesman in abscentia. > > However the strawman I hold title to as > HARVEY D NORRIS needs to be redeemed at better than quoted face value as > transferred by the agencies whom have mortgaged this value in trade. > > In order to increase this value it becomes imperative that I put the > appropriate agencies at notice that my worth is greater than the quoted sum > of $630,000.00 which was assumed as the common strawman value in US currency > estimation which consists of the average mortgaged value concerning the > practice of world governments trading in birth certificates. > > As such claims have been made the business of proving this can now be > made.Appropriate and prior to filings; > > On 9/7/99 test results of Keely prognosis concerning 48,200 hz resonance > being a disruptive effect on the water molecule shall be released on this > freenrg-l list. > > Primarily the first results will come from an earlier test at 32,730 hz > which is within 5% of Puharich prediction of third harmonic of tetrahedral > water resonance. > > These tests will use only 4 components,an inductor,capacitor,electrolysizor, > and arc gap. > No solid state electronics involved. > > Redemption involves making a statement before the world, or perhaps in this > remote view of things before your peers on this discussion list. > > Actually redemption has an entirely different meaning to many others, and I > do not normally use religious quotes in my entrees. However this is a USA > political thing that is happening that foreigners have no idea of. I stand > by my statements mentioned before,and one way or another I will repeat on > 9/7/99. > > Sincerly HDN > > ________________________________________________________________ > Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com > Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com -- *********************************************************** Harry, I'm going to let you in on a little secret. Every day, once a day, give yourself a present. Don't plan it, don't wait for it, just... let it happen. -- Special Agent Dale Cooper ... ====================================================================== Don J.S. Adams, Overseer and Registered Agent for Domhnall C G N Adams - (Corporation Sole - Lawful Entity Name) RAVE Communications 206-849-7966 Cell Phone - USA 780-998-4066 Canada http://www.intergate.bc.ca/rave alt e-mail address donjsadams@rocketmail.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 20 01:41:53 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id BAA27334; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 01:41:33 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 01:41:33 -0700 From: MKSBoysal@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 04:41:26 EDT Subject: Alternate Energy Research Projects To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Resent-Message-ID: <"ang_P.0.yg6.yIHlt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11520 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Alternate Energy Research Projects http://www.fortunecity.com/roswell/crystal/100/patents.htm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 26 04:24:57 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id EAA20047; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 04:24:32 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 04:24:32 -0700 From: JNaudin509@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 07:23:50 EDT Subject: Re: Poynting thruster To: WDBAUER@vossnet.de, freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 166 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id EAA20030 Resent-Message-ID: <"Kyph33.0.8v4.lFInt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11605 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Dieter and all, This is not a simple opened tube, but a cylindrical capacitor which one side closed like a Leyden bottle, the positive pole is connected on the outer armature in the main axis and the 0V is connected on the inner the armature also in the main axis so as each electrode are placed face to face in the middle. For instance if this two wires are placed on the right side of this asymmetrical capacitor, during the transient phase the S-Flow follows the dielectric from the left (the edge of the cap) to the right. So, there is an asymmetrical S-Flow like the basic experiment with an asymmetrical flat capacitor. Regards, Jean-Louis Dans un courrier daté du 26/08/99 13:02:04é), WDBAUER@vossnet.de a écrit : > Here some ideas how to improve the Poynting thruster of J.L. Naudin > presented at > http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/delany/256/html/pft02.htm . > Acc. to Jean Louis the Poynting thrust E x H is responsible for the > moment. This is not totally correct. It is the momentum of the field D x > B which is parallel and makes the thrust if you are using simple linear > materials coupling to the field. Therefore the thrust can be enhanced if > a highly dielectric ceramic is used filling the airgap of the Leyden > jar tube capacitance. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 20 03:19:50 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id DAA09768; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 03:19:31 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 03:19:31 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990820195218.008872f0@main.murray.net.au> X-Sender: egel@main.murray.net.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 19:52:18 +0900 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: GEOFF EGEL Subject: Invention from Azerbaijan Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=====================_935112138==_" Resent-Message-ID: <"ylznb3.0.XO2.pkIlt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11521 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: --=====================_935112138==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" This is some information I have received from a contatct in Baku Azerbajjan and wished to be placed on the internet. I had to retype some of the information and so some of the formulas and words may not be totally correct. Dear Geoff Egel Permit me to introduce myself to you. My name is Ahmedov Balashirin and I from Baku in Azerbaijan. I'm 29 and am working as an engineer at the space Research bureau in Baku I'm been studying by alternative energy sources for more than nine years. Si I created this new method of electric power production ,in my method I used new principles . Perhaps my research results would seem to you unbelievable but I remark again there is not any unreal thing in my invention. I found and proved my research experimentry. Before creation my method I have learned a lot about MHPG,SNAP and other plasma technologies which were are in euergetic. I inform you to my method of power production I chose plasma. Because this is a very effective in Azerbaijan many scientists appreciated my research and experimental results I believe my metod of power production would win a great success in the world ,I ask you to spread my invention to the world via the internet . Please note that I'm also collaborating with research institutions of the USA,Europe,Russia,Canada and Japan. Thanks in advance Yours truly Ahmedov Balashirin Engineer Baku Azerbaijan Akhmedov, Balashirin A. The new method of electric power production. I created the new method of electric power production on principle. So that, in my method I am getting energy from vacuum. This is unusual and most effective way. The working matter of my converter is plasma. I am not using a magnetic field for production electric power from plasma. Because of low effect. I have used intensive electrical field. It seems impossible but my experimental result has proved to be correct and the superiority of my method. On the contrary using intensive electrical field let me get a wonderful result. I used electrical field for both burning plasma and giving speed to charged particles. That is why efficiency of my converter is very high. Referring to my experiments and scientific proofs I hereby describe the real project and the working process of my converter which is suitable for more needs. The main element of my converter is ion device. That ion device is consist of glass balloon in which inserted two flat electrodes. Inside of that device should full of inert gas (neon) with addition cesium. The pressure of gas in ion device should take on 10 mm.m.c. (mm. mercury column). Cesium should be added in an amount of 40% (per cent) of the whole gas volume. The ion device each electrode's space size should take on S= I 0cm ^2 (this could be also to the third power ^3 .as I could not read it properly Geoff) and mid electrodes distance L=2cm. That time mid electrodes space volume would equal V=SxL=10cm^ squared x2cm=2Ocm to the 3 power. On normal atmosphere pressure (760 mm. m. c.) in this volume may exist N.=VxL=20cm^3*2.7*10^19 1/cm^3 =5.4^20 gas atoms. Where L is Loshmid number. On 10 mm.m.c. pressure in this volume should enter n1=n0/n=5.4*10^20/76=7*10^18 gas atoms. Where n=760 mm.m.c./10 mm.m.c.=76. Electrical scheme of new converter. The device is in three stages. The first stage is a step up transformer 220 volts to 2000 volts. This first transformer seems to raise the 220 volts to 2000 volts at 2 amps. The next stage is connected in parallel to the ion device as previously described to the secondary terminals of the first step up transformer. Final stage is another transformer and it appears to be equal in both sides. The primary terminals of the second transformer are connected in parallel to the ion device and the secondary terminals of the step up transformer. The Ion device is producing electric power in this way. The first transformer is raising the 220 volts to 2000 volts at a current value of 2 amps. The current intensity in the output of the step up transformer should fall till 0.2A. Then high voltage current is transferring to electrodes of the ion device. The electrodes of the ion device also, is jointed to user circuit. The final output device can be used transformer or engine. As above described previously the ion device is full of cesium. That is why resistance of the ion device would be very low. When high voltage current would be transferred then that current should flow across ion device circuit, not the ouput circuit. This fact was discovered from experiment. As proved by experiment that time in the ion device should hold the next process. First, under influence intensive electrical field cesium atoms would easily decay to independent electrons and positive ions. These charged particles under influence the same electrical field would get a great speed and fly to the electrodes. On way to electrodes these charged particles would decay neon atoms to charged particles. If third part of whole gas atoms would be taken from cesium, then all gas atoms in the ion device should turn to charged particles and under influence intensive electrical field these particles would fly and fall to the electrodes. So, in mid electrodes space would flow current. This time the common charge of electrons (and same ions) in the ion device would beQ0=N1*e=7*10^18 1.610 ^19= 1.02 Culon. Where e is electron's charge index. As known current intensify index of the high voltage current is 0.2 Ampere. It is very low. Therefore, when transformer current would flow across ion device then in this process would participate near %1 of the charged particles. The remaining part of those charged particles (99%) would create current in the output transformer circuit. As getting from the experiment voltage index of this current should be equal to current voltage that transferring to ion device( electrodes. Because as known voltage index in the final transformer circuit is determined by electrons kinetic energy in plasma. These electrons is getting their kinetic energy from potential energy of electrical field. By law of conservation of energy in time of these energy turnings quantity of electrical field remains constant. That is voltage index in the output transformer element circuit should be equal to 2000V but current intensify index depends on two parameters. First, from common charge and second fly speed of the electrons that create power in the user element. common charge of these electrons would Q1,=Q0%99=1 .02*0.99=1 Culon. Under influence intensive electrical field these electrons should get v=27000km/sec fly speed and within a nanosecond would fall on the electrodes. Meanwhile, positive ions should get near v=lOOkm/sec fly speed and in a second would strike ten thousand blow to the electrodes, breaking off independent electrons. As a result of high speed electrons exchange current intensify index in the output transformer circuit would rise to hundreds Amperes. These facts were proved by experiment and can be used. Production of electric power by this converter(or method) technically is very advantageous and environmentally acceptable. Author:Ahmedov Balashirin, Engineer PS I have also enclosed a small gif file of the drawing that Ahmedov sent me me to explain device if you can get attachments in your email reader. 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Our main site http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135 my postal address as follows I am also on the lookout for something new free energy on the alternative energy scene can you help me out? anything you send my end up on this group of webpages for other to share as well. Geoff Egel 18 Sturt Street Loxton 5333 South Australia Australia ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------- Energy 21 website now resides at http://www.FortuneCity.com/greenfield/bp/16/index.html Bright Sparks website. http://www2.murray.net.au/users/egel/ NEW site where the unzipped contents of encyclopedia of free energy are on display. for those that have MACS or non IBM or clone machines. Alternator site at http://encyclopedia.educator.webjump.com/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------- --=====================_935112138==_-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 20 14:40:47 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA19774; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 14:40:20 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 14:40:20 -0700 Message-ID: <37BDBCC0.5718D653@datacomm.ch> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 22:38:24 +0200 From: Felix Meyer Organization: hb9abx X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: New Energy Type - Homepage ENERGY FOR THE FUTURE References: <00c001beeb63$9929dda0$4db6bfd1@Pfepps> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"X5enz.0.oq4.3jSlt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11522 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: The new FREE ENERGY Homepage, called ENERGY FOR THE FUTURE brings condensed information about all mayor FREE ENERGY types. Check in and comment: http://www.datacomm.ch/hb9abx/ You can select the info in German or English language. Felix From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 20 20:38:24 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA19960; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 20:38:04 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 20:38:04 -0700 From: tv@juno.com To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 20:27:21 -0700 Subject: Re: Invention from Azerbajjan Message-ID: <19990820.203913.-3146943.1.tv@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 2.0.11 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-4 X-Juno-Att: 0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"c5eQp2.0.nt4.SyXlt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11523 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: This sounds very similar to the Corea Pulse Abnormal Glow Discharge invention. Tim ( tv@juno.com ) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 20 22:20:36 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA16662; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 22:20:08 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 22:20:08 -0700 Message-ID: <19990821051935.66869.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [205.188.195.21] From: "Randy Hargraves" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: SMOT / Hargraves / Watson Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 22:19:34 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"YVR6Q.0.344.7SZlt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11524 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Has anyone heard any thing about the status of the SMOT Which was to be sent out by Gregg Watson??????? Thanks Randy Hargraves _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 20 22:30:01 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA19985; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 22:29:50 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 22:29:50 -0700 From: HLafonte@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 01:29:15 EDT Subject: You have to see this! To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: energy21@listbot.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Resent-Message-ID: <"iKFnD2.0.Au4.EbZlt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11525 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I am building this device, the animation is being updated to show fewer magnets in each stack and a smaller air gap at the bottom. Most parts should be "off the shelf ". The forces at work are repulsion on one side attraction on the other. When the most vertical spoke approaches the repulsion area it moves down to help the rotor move past this area of resistance and after moving to an area of less repulsion it moves back up the spoke into a repulsion mode to help in turning the rotor. See it at LaFonte Research site 1 or http://hometown.aol.com/hlafonte/index.html Also it will soon be on the PFEUL web site. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 21 01:15:30 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id BAA10076; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 01:15:10 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 01:15:10 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 22:15:03 -1000 Subject: Re: You have to see this! From: "Rick Monteverde" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <199908210414.SM00414@[192.168.0.2]> Resent-Message-ID: <"3OQza2.0.LT2.D0clt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11526 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Butch - > I am building this device, the animation is being updated to show fewer > magnets in each stack and a smaller air gap at the bottom. Most parts should > be "off the shelf ". The forces at work are repulsion on one side attraction > on the other. When the most vertical spoke approaches the repulsion area it > moves down to help the rotor move past this area of resistance and after > moving to an area of less repulsion it moves back up the spoke into a > repulsion mode to help in turning the rotor. > See it at LaFonte > Research site 1 or http://hometown.aol.com/hlafonte/index.html > Also it will soon be on the PFEUL web site. I can't see how the spring-away action is going to help this one at all. The force pulling back against the rotation of the wheel is when the magnet tries to go from attractive mode to repulsive mode, and is felt before the transition as a great reluctance to leave the attraction area. At the same time, it's being pulled *in* towards the rim there, and has no inclination to compress the spring at all as the animation suggests, unless force is applied to move it into the repulsion zone and at the same time push it away from the still-attracting section. Stated perhaps more simply, it's breaking free of the *attraction* right there that's more of a problem than the repulsion ahead. I just don't see any force there able to push it across the junction. Where am I missing it? - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 21 01:16:55 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id BAA10619; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 01:16:47 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 01:16:47 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 22:16:39 -1000 Subject: Re: SMOT / Hargraves / Watson From: "Rick Monteverde" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <199908210416.SM00414@[192.168.0.2]> Resent-Message-ID: <"9C_Kz1.0.qb2.k1clt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11527 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Randy - > Has anyone heard any thing about the status of the SMOT Which was to be sent > out by Gregg Watson??????? > > Thanks > Randy Hargraves It was an apparent fraud, or perhaps a self-delusion. There are no SMOTs. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 21 04:32:01 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id EAA00433; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 04:31:46 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 04:31:46 -0700 Message-ID: <01BEEBD1.12D69EA0@wst1> From: Remi Cornwall To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: RE: SMOT / Hargraves / Watson Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 12:31:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BEEBD1.12D69EA0" Resent-Message-ID: <"Ibyb71.0.c6.Yuelt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11528 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: ------ =_NextPart_000_01BEEBD1.12D69EA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ah ha! The sword of truth and the shield of fair play. All will follow you! (BTW what do you build these days?) -----Original Message----- From: Rick Monteverde [SMTP:rick@highsurf.com] Sent: 21 August 1999 09:17 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: SMOT / Hargraves / Watson Randy - > Has anyone heard any thing about the status of the SMOT Which was to be sent > out by Gregg Watson??????? > > Thanks > Randy Hargraves It was an apparent fraud, or perhaps a self-delusion. 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Although it seems that I should find the force > "well" easily (The repulsion at the bottom falls off much quicker than the > attraction increases at the top), so far I have not. The approx. distance > between the fixed magnet above the free unit and the smaller magnet at the > top of the free unit is 3 cm. The articles about this stuff imply that the wider and stronger the upper magnet, the easier it is to create stable levitiation. The photo in the article showed a magnet being levitated from the feeble repulsion from human fingers! They used a huge electromagnet a couple of meters above the human hand. If the upper magnet is too close to the floating magnet, then the higher the floating magnet goes, the stronger the upwards pull. That's exactly what you DON'T want. Maybe if your upper magnet was composed of parallel stacks of magnet disks, like a bundle of logs, then the field below it would be more uniform and less "radial-shaped". > > xxxNNNNNNNN > x > x SSS > x | > x | > x | > x c-c > x XXX > x XXX > x XXX > xxxxxxxxx > > xxx= adjustable frame > XXX= AC coil and core > c-c= copper ring. > -Dave > ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com http://www.amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 21 13:31:37 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA01946; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 13:30:52 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 13:30:52 -0700 From: mbe1284@elektro.fontys.nl Message-Id: <37BF05F4.6A1B14AB@elektro.fontys.nl> Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 22:03:00 +0200 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [nl]C-QXW07103 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: nl, de, en Mime-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: You have to see this! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"jrboo1.0.EU.xnmlt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11530 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I think this will not work. If you give this motor a swing it will turn, but after a while the magnets are in a balanced position and the motor stops. I did not yet read the info over the spin balance system. Do you have already a prototype? WJ HLafonte@aol.com schreef: > I am building this device, the animation is being updated to show fewer > magnets in each stack and a smaller air gap at the bottom. Most parts should > be "off the shelf ". The forces at work are repulsion on one side attraction > on the other. When the most vertical spoke approaches the repulsion area it > moves down to help the rotor move past this area of resistance and after > moving to an area of less repulsion it moves back up the spoke into a > repulsion mode to help in turning the rotor. > See it at LaFonte > Research site 1 or http://hometown.aol.com/hlafonte/index.html > Also it will soon be on the PFEUL web site. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 21 14:38:31 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA17070; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 14:37:59 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 14:37:59 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 11:37:48 -1000 Subject: Re: SMOT / Hargraves / Watson / Aloha Shirts From: "Rick Monteverde" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <199908211737.SM00414@[192.168.0.2]> Resent-Message-ID: <"NSatE2.0.dA4.tmnlt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11531 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Remi - > (BTW what do you build these days?) Thanks, I'm building a little business on eBay. When money comes, I'll open up my "weird science" box again and start tinkering. Wanna buy a nice used Aloha Shirt? ;) - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 21 14:50:27 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA20981; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 14:50:13 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 14:50:13 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.16.19990821144649.2f8f1a30@earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (16) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 14:46:49 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: PM-assisted inductive repulsion In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.6.16.19990819083130.25ff15ca@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"FYi6d.0.g75.Lynlt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11532 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi Bill and all, At 06:01 AM 8/21/99 -0700, you wrote: >> I solved the vibration problem, I just spaced the small magnet and copper >> apart. >> The copper is now a ring. Although it seems that I should find the force >> "well" easily (The repulsion at the bottom falls off much quicker than the >> attraction increases at the top), so far I have not. The approx. distance >> between the fixed magnet above the free unit and the smaller magnet at the >> top of the free unit is 3 cm. > >The articles about this stuff imply that the wider and stronger the upper >magnet, the easier it is to create stable levitiation. The photo in the >article showed a magnet being levitated from the feeble repulsion from >human fingers! They used a huge electromagnet a couple of meters above >the human hand. If the upper magnet is too close to the floating magnet, >then the higher the floating magnet goes, the stronger the upwards pull. >That's exactly what you DON'T want. Yes, I have tried various magnet configurations at the top, the best being a Neodym magnet size about 3x5 cm x 1cm thick. Ceramic loudspeaker ring magnets have not worked as well, because of the hole. I am looking for a larger (levitron) sized magnet like 12 x12 cm to try. I have got it to "levitate", but only with some sideways stabilization. This isn't surprising as just 2 magnets in repulsion can do this (2 ring magnets on a rod), as well as just a repulsion coil and ring. That is, it's no better than the start. I have found the repulsion ring needs to be a certain size cross section area or larger. I first thought both the weight and total induced current would vary with the area, so it wouldn't matter, but I was wrong. For example, a ring made from No. AWG 12 wire (2mm diameter) or smaller will not lift with my particular induction coil, however a 3.2mm diameter wire ring will. My 3cm spacing from the upper magnet is with a heavy ring attached. Ity appears that the it is far enough that the upwards pull gradient is small enough that the repulsion gradient is larger so a "minimum" can be found. However, for sideways stability a smaller top magnet may be required to hold the assembly in place? Then there is the "flip" stability... that the spinning levitron top takes care of. Now if I got the ring/magnet to spin like in an induction motor...? With just 2 Neodym. magnets the furthest apart I can hold them so the top one will pick up the lower one is about 8cm. The lower one is sitting on a non-magnetic surface such as a wood tabletop. Meters of separation is very amazing like the electromagnet. Is it superconducting like for the frog? The article >http://lahr.org/john-jan/maglev/maglev.html said: >It's done by lifting a small, powerful permanent magnet using a much larger magnet >far above. In the article the authors used a huge electomagnet 8 ft. above the >little neo. magnet. They also mention that a "handheld" version exists, so a >huge magnet is probably not a requirement. A general question, how far with magnets/electromagnets has anyone been able to pick one up vertically with another (attractive force = gravity)? What were your sizes, shapes? -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 21 14:56:13 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA23337; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 14:55:59 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 14:55:59 -0700 Message-ID: <37BF20BF.246EC3BC@microtec.net> Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 17:57:19 -0400 From: patrick tremblay X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: You have to see this! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"kf95a.0.Yi5.l1olt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11533 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Butch, this is just great. That is THE desing I was looking for. A much simpler aproach to the non linear motor at the Bedini site. We see that all the forces pushing the wheel will overcome the regauging force at the end. You will have to fine tune the force of the springs to the magnetic repulsion force. This is very interesting. It could yield results. I whish you the best of success in the building of this device. HLafonte@aol.com wrote: > I am building this device, the animation is being updated to show fewer > magnets in each stack and a smaller air gap at the bottom. Most parts should > be "off the shelf ". The forces at work are repulsion on one side attraction > on the other. When the most vertical spoke approaches the repulsion area it > moves down to help the rotor move past this area of resistance and after > moving to an area of less repulsion it moves back up the spoke into a > repulsion mode to help in turning the rotor. > See it at LaFonte > Research site 1 or http://hometown.aol.com/hlafonte/index.html > Also it will soon be on the PFEUL web site. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 21 18:53:58 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA08653; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 18:53:44 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 18:53:44 -0700 Message-Id: <199908220156.WAA14598@bigbox.plug-in.com.br> From: "Marcelo Puhl" Organization: Computec Ltda To: interact@Keelynet.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 22:54:19 -3 Subject: New electrical transformers will improve power quality Reply-to: mark@plug-in.com.br Priority: normal In-reply-to: <199908182112.SAA21595@bigbox.plug-in.com.br> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12) Resent-Message-ID: <"l4thk.0.172.dWrlt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11534 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: http://www.ece.purdue.edu/~esac http://news.uns.purdue.edu/UNS/html4ever/990716.Sudhoff.transformer.html Image: http://news.uns.purdue.edu/UNS/images/sudhoff.transformers.jpeg Marcelo Puhl mark@plug-in.com.br ------------------------------------------- Get paid to surf the WEB ! Ganhe dinheiro enquanto surfa na Internet ! http://alladvantage.com/go.asp?refid=DTJ608 ------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 21 20:45:13 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA29217; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 20:45:00 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 20:45:00 -0700 From: HLafonte@aol.com Message-ID: <36b45383.24f0cc0d@aol.com> Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 23:44:13 EDT Subject: Emails I have not answered To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Resent-Message-ID: <"am7Ax1.0.Q87.x8tlt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11535 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I'm sorry I haven't answered all the emails I have received. With 3 teenagers and all I have very little time but will try to reply to all. Thanks, Butch LaFonte From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 21 20:48:55 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA30091; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 20:48:40 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 20:48:40 -0700 From: HLafonte@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 23:47:59 EDT Subject: See new pushmepullyou on PFEUL site To: energy21@listbot.com CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Resent-Message-ID: <"7U9yp3.0.4M7.OCtlt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11536 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: www.pfeul.com for new animations and layouts From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 21 23:12:13 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id XAA21318; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 23:11:57 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 23:11:57 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.16.19990821230709.29b7f9da@earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (16) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 23:07:09 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: New electrical transformers will improve power quality In-Reply-To: <199908220156.WAA14598@bigbox.plug-in.com.br> References: <199908182112.SAA21595@bigbox.plug-in.com.br> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"12LWL1.0._C5.jIvlt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11537 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 10:54 PM 8/21/99 -3, Marcelo wrote: > >http://news.uns.purdue.edu/UNS/html4ever/990716.Sudhoff.transformer.html > "Solid state transformer", most likely microprocessor controlled? Interesting, looks like parallel switchmode power supplies and I guess inverters. The image had about 24 toroids and 12 iron core transformers in rows. An advantage of the iron core type transformer is that they can last 80 years or more. I wonder how many power supply duty electrolytic capacitors will last that long, lightning and all, computer switching psu's being an example data point? Some computer grade type of capacitors I have (the kind with screw terminals) have passed 25 years. Personally I have burned out many more semiconductors than transformers... -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 21 23:47:50 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id XAA27057; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 23:47:34 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 23:47:34 -0700 From: MKSBoysal@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 02:45:48 EDT Subject: (Off topic) Secret Government Study MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 To: undisclosed-recipients:; Resent-Message-ID: <"sW0JX3.0.cc6.6qvlt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11538 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Secret Government Study Reveals Massive Y2K Problems in American Cities http://www.JimLord.to/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 22 00:07:31 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id AAA29230; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 00:07:18 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 00:07:18 -0700 X-Fidalgo-Track-MAIL-A: pm3-3-dyn35.skagit.fidalgo.net [209.191.182.98] X-Fidalgo-Track-MAIL-B: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 00:07:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <043d01beeded$e99c01a0$62b6bfd1@Pfepps> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: Permanent magnet motor? Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 21:47:45 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"bzX9W.0.d87.b6wlt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11539 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Felix and all, > >I think, the problem here is, that many times the plans in the patent >do not represent a running machine correctly. > >This is done many times INTENTIONALLY to prevent copying. True enough, but in this case the photographs in the article do appear to be close to what is given in the patent. Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 22 13:56:33 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA14603; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 13:55:48 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 13:55:48 -0700 From: JNaudin509@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 16:55:14 EDT Subject: The PFT v2.0, a working mock-up of a future spaceship... To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 166 Resent-Message-ID: <"dcUJE1.0.4a3.KF6mt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11540 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dear All, Today I have conducted an important experiment about the PFT project (The Poynting Flow Thruster Project). The PFT v2.0 is a working mock-up of a future spaceship which uses the motion of an asymmetrical Poynting Flow for generating a thrust. During a charging process of a flat capacitor, the Poynting vector ( S=ExH ) comes from outside the capacitor towards the wire connections, parallel to the surface of the armatures inside the dielectric medium. There is an energy flow directly proportional to ExB. This energy is not provided by the wires but comes from the surrounding space around the capacitor. An asymmetrical energy flow during the charging process of a flat capacitor is able to generate a thrust, this has been fully demonstrated with the PFT v1.0 device and also fully confirmed by the "proof of concept" experiment. You will find all diagrams, pictures and videos about the PFT v2.0 at : http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/delany/256/html/pft02.htm Best Regards Jean-Louis Naudin Email: Jnaudin509@aol.com Overunity Web site: http://members.aol.com/jnaudin509/index.htm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 22 16:16:59 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA12908; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 16:14:42 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 16:14:42 -0700 From: "Harvey Norris" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Diodic condition Message-Id: <935363650.153.748@excite.com> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 16:14:10 PDT X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 207.220.167.46 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"V4H-d.0.b93.XH8mt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11541 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Wed, 18 Aug 1999 22:17:56 -0400, Harvey Norris was quoted: > >If it were possible, then instead of using the falling waters of Niagra > >Falls to turn massive generators to produce electricity, it should be > >possible to allow the waters to fall through a spiral tubing of cohered E > >and B fields and have the actual water molecule to assume the duty of the > >generator; by making it produce a spin within a spin on its gravitational > >conversion of energy. This is very far fetched and this is not a science > >fiction list, but I have mentioned it as a precursor to the inverse idea, > >which I will now merit. J Shaffer replied > Maybe Schauberger was doing this? It is my understanding that Shauberger was able to reduce the resistance of actual water flow in a tube that had a logarithmic spiral or a shape according to a mathematical thing called the Fibbonicci series?(ready for flac on the spelling, all comments welcome) T Henry Moray did an excellent free energy video back in 94 for ITS entitled Vaccum Energy Vortices, and I think he also published Zero Point Energy for ITS. In the video he explained that Schauberger actually somehow showed that instead of a tube having a resistance to flow, in special conditions that factor could be made as a resultant "negative or opposite resistance to flow", sort of a double negative being positive... I have no idea about those facts but... This summer I became involved in producing magnetized water for my tomatoe garden which delivered fantastic productivity. In my initial experimentation I used a commonly available funnel obtained from the hardware store but something about this vortex just didnt seem right. Then I remembered that my brother had once saved a unique funnel that was used in a promotion for some charity where when you put coins into a slot and they roll into this shallow shaped funnel where it becomes fascinating how that rolling coin on edge resembles the orbit of a satellite secumbing to gravity in that it picks up speed before entering the hole and makes quite a few revolutions before doing this. Sometimes it is most remarkable how correlations in life happen by simply remembering something that puzzles one and looking at the situation again in a fresh outlook. This has happened in the very making of this post! I went into situation knowing I had no idea of how Schauberger effect could be noted, but like a light bulb of an idea this has now occured to me: It is a common demonstration in college physics of taking 2 equal mass cylinders on an inclined plane and rolling them to see which reaches the bottom first. The experiment involves one cylinder to be hollowed out of a denser material so that its mass density is correspondingly greater on the edges than the other homogenous cylinder, yet both weigh the same.(I am actually unsure whether even their respective weights are relevant in this case but nevertheless to finish the idea I continue) The hollow cylinder has MORE of its translation momentum converted to angular momentum because most of its mass is at the edges of rotation. Thus it rolls slower as its expression of translational movement. Now take a similar thinking to the idea of the rolling coins as a slice or cross section of a rolling cylinder as in the previous example. IN THE FIRST CASE AN INCLINED PLANE ON 2 DIMENSIONS OFFERED A METHOD OF CONVERTING A PERCENTAGE OF THE TRANSLATIONAL MOMENTUM INTO ANGULAR MOMENTUM. IF THIS AMOUNT OF PERCENTAGE CONVERSION IS NOW COMPARED TO THAT OF THE COIN ROLLING DOWN THE 3 DIMENSIONAL VORTEX PATH OF THE SPECIAL FUNNEL WE FIND THAT BY THE TIME AN EQUAL AMOUNT OF THE GRAVITATIONAL POTENTIAL ENERGY HAS BEEN CHANGED INTO KINETIC ENERGY OF TRANSLATIONAL MOMENTUM AND ANGULAR MOMENTUM, IN THE SECOND CASE THE AMOUNT CONVERTED TO ANGULAR OR SPIN HAS BECOME MUCH GREATER THAN THE FORMER. IN FACT THAT SPIN ITSELF MAY HAVE AN ASSOCIATED TRANSLATIONAL MOMENTUM THAT EXCEEDS THE MOMENTUM THAT WOULD BE ORDINARILY ASSOCIATED WITH THE MOMENTUM THAT GRAVITY ALONE WOULD PRODUCE IF THE MASS WERE IN FREE FALL WITH NO SPIN CONVERSION BEING MADE.(Me thinks this close to an explanation of Schauberger effect, but please read on to see inverse bell effect.) Now when I remembered this special vortex or large funnel I asked my brother about this, and as it turns out it was in our attic. I used this funnel to make the magnetic water that could hold over 100 gallons at a time into a holding tank, that went to a drip irrigation system. The difference between this funnel and a conventional plastic funnel bought in a hardware store is that when you look at the cross-section as if it were sliced down the radial center, the store bought is linear or straight and the other resembles a logarithmic curve as a cross section. Additionally the conventional funnel has a much smaller opening than the special one. The special funnel will allow most all the water flow to occur on the edges of its internal vortex circumference, analogous to a hollow rotating cylinder containing a better percentage of angular momentum conversion. Additionally the ordinary funnel contains a tapered end which doesnt make the desired function of what is observed as an "inverse bell effect". In the making of magnetized water I had long noted than when the containers were filled from the storage tank they showed a peculiar tendency to hug the sides before dropping by gravity in droplets: this was attributed to the hypothetical increase or decrease of surface tension advocated by those in the know... So when I first made the stuff I didnt know that what happens after the water is magnetised could be just as important as what happens beforehand as it is created. I do dimly remember this may have been mentioned by others, but I cannot remember... The shape of this funnel resembles a flattened bell and what doesnt often get noticed is that after the water has gone through the funnel it by no means falls straight downward by gravity but of course continues in the manner of centrifugal acceleration it has been exposed to at the vortex. The picture of this looks like the reflection of an inverted bell as the water falls with the vortex being the center of a mirror image. This effect would have never been noted if the water was merely filling a 5 gallon container and not a 100 gallon. In the former case it would simply appear as a presumed effect of surface tension of the water flowing into the small diameter of the neck of the 5 gallon container, as previously noted. This is quite off the topic of the original post of diodic condition. Originally I wanted to note that producing a high frequency electric field obtained by a binary resonant arc gap as contained by a set of 60 hz resonators as elaborated in http://www.escribe.com/science/freenrg/index.html?mlD=3101 (dont know if an archive address takes, this was made 4/30/99 as 3rd diagram try)has been shown by experiment to allow twice the battery amperage conduction across a water sample, than would occur if this high frequency electric field were not present at 90 degrees to the battery conduction current. Sincerly HDN Binary Resonant System; http://www.insidetheweb.com/mbs.cgi/mb124201 ________________________________________________________________ Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 22 17:22:46 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA29744; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 17:20:28 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 17:20:28 -0700 Message-ID: <37C0798E.3A10E61D@telusplanet.net> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 17:28:30 -0500 From: Don Adams Reply-To: donadams@telusplanet.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: off topic - Weird eclipse anomaly? References: <935363650.153.748@excite.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"izugo.0.bG7.BF9mt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11542 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Any comments on the below? http://www.enterprisemission.com/ 8/19/99 - "Inside Source" provides Details of "Impact Events" 8/19/99 - Did Hoagland/Bell August 18th Comet Discussion Trigger Another National Story ..? 8/18/99 - Something Wicked This Way Comes ... 8/18/99 - CNN: Millions watch century's last eclipse ( From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 22 17:23:17 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA30569; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 17:23:05 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 17:23:05 -0700 From: "Harvey Norris" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Bad Address link Message-Id: <935367752.16034.557@excite.com> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 17:22:32 PDT X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 207.220.167.22 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"qJQzk1.0.YT7.eH9mt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11543 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I noticed in the previous letter to freenrg that when I copied an address from the freenrg archives and then sent it as a link when I tried to access it in the letter I recieved on the discussion list, that link did not work. Apparently this is a no-no or I incorrectly wrote the address. I placed the same letter at http://www.pupman.com/ under BRAG schematic in May archives for any wishing to view this. Recently some bounced mails caused me to be automatically unsubscribed to freenrg list. Does anyone know whether listing an actual archive address can do this? HDN ________________________________________________________________ Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 22 18:35:04 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA16417; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 18:34:41 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 18:34:41 -0700 From: "Harvey Norris" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: The PFT v2.0, a working mock-up of a future spaceship... Message-Id: <935372049.24952.215@excite.com> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 18:34:09 PDT X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 207.220.167.39 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"lZW_03.0.M04.mKAmt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11544 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Sun, 22 Aug 1999 16:55:14 EDT, JNaudin509@aol.com wrote: > Dear All, > > Today I have conducted an important experiment about the PFT project (The > Poynting Flow Thruster Project). > > The PFT v2.0 is a working mock-up of a future spaceship which uses the motion > of an asymmetrical Poynting Flow for generating a thrust. > > During a charging process of a flat capacitor, the Poynting vector ( S=ExH ) > comes from outside the capacitor towards the wire connections, parallel to > the surface of the armatures inside the dielectric medium. There is an energy > flow directly proportional to ExB. This energy is not provided by the wires > but comes from the surrounding space around the capacitor. If the Poynting vector delivers a charge movement across the plates according to the classical interpretation of displacement current producing a magnetic field, which in turn produces a free charge movement, I fail to see how the analogy applies to "the space surrounding a capacitor." That is not the same thing as a Cassimer effect and this motion should be construed as a derived effect that occurs within the two plate areas and not from the ouside. > An asymmetrical energy flow during the charging process of a flat capacitor > is able to generate a thrust, this has been fully demonstrated with the PFT > v1.0 device and also fully confirmed by the "proof of concept" experiment. > > You will find all diagrams, pictures and videos about the PFT v2.0 at : > http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/delany/256/html/pft02.htm > > Best Regards > Jean-Louis Naudin > Email: Jnaudin509@aol.com > Overunity Web site: http://members.aol.com/jnaudin509/index.htm > ________________________________________________________________ Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 23 00:51:33 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id AAA17094; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 00:50:01 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 00:50:01 -0700 Message-ID: <01BEED44.5C2F10E0@wst1> From: Remi Cornwall To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: RE: SMOT / Hargraves / Watson / Aloha Shirts Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 08:49:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BEED44.5C2F10E0" Resent-Message-ID: <"G7FEc1.0._A4.fqFmt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11545 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: ------ =_NextPart_000_01BEED44.5C2F10E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: Rick Monteverde [SMTP:rick@highsurf.com] Remi - > (BTW what do you build these days?) Thanks, I'm building a little business on eBay. When money comes, I'll open up my "weird science" box again and start tinkering. Wanna buy a nice used Aloha Shirt? ;) - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI [] No thanks if the shirt has a flower design on it :) What's eBay - some form of ecommerce? 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Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Resent-Message-ID: <"xtTfS.0._w5.VwJmt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11546 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On 22-Aug-99 Don Adams wrote: > Any comments on the below? > > http://www.enterprisemission.com/ > 8/18/99 - CNN: Millions watch century's last eclipse Vulcan, anybody? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 23 06:30:16 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA05783; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 06:29:59 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 06:29:59 -0700 Message-ID: <37C137C2.453E9900@datacomm.ch> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 14:00:03 +0200 From: Felix Meyer Organization: hb9abx X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: I need your help References: <043d01beeded$e99c01a0$62b6bfd1@Pfepps> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"pbBEx3.0.GQ1.MpKmt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11547 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I need your help ---------------- I got the information that some people are getting an error when accessing the New Energy Website: http://www.datacomm.ch/hb9abx/ Please let me know if you get an error, - with text of error message - and with type and version of your browser. I hope to solve the problem this way many thanks Felix From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 23 08:52:25 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id IAA15197 for bilb@eskimo.com; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 08:52:24 -0700 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 08:52:24 -0700 X-Envelope-From: UNIR2B1@aol.com Mon Aug 23 08:52:23 1999 Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA15167 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 08:52:22 -0700 From: UNIR2B1@aol.com Received: from UNIR2B1@aol.com by imo27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id hRQOa01404 (8036); Mon, 23 Aug 1999 11:49:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Old-Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 11:49:21 EDT Subject: "Self-running" engine? To: UNIR2B1@aol.com CC: hamdix@verisoft.com.tr (hamdi ucar), bodytemple@cwixmail.com, amlight@juno.com (Alicia), johnhoffman@webtv.net, atech@ix.netcom.com (Dennis C. Lee), brw549@iar.ne, chief@sundial.net (michael romack), dawnames@hotmail.com, door@camasnet.com, ewall@infinite-energy.com (Ed Wall), FRANKARTINVENT@webtv.net (FRANK HOLMQUIST), freenrg-l@eskimo.com, powerfd@gte.net, rachelhome@bigfoot.com, richarda@icx.net, rolfe_hauser@hotmail.com, ruizmall@webtv.net, Serwitz@aol.com, survival-ark@lyghtforce.com, candace1@usa.net, dpnichols@iswt.com, MilCrDan@aol.com, transnet@teleport.com, tri-r-spheres@webtv.net, trknute@earthlink.net, werosser@hotmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5 for Windows X-Diagnostic: Not on the accept list X-Envelope-To: freenrg-l Status: RO X-Status: Hello, All I just got the order form from Creative Science & Research (Bx 557 New Albany IN 47151) about their "easy to build, easy to follow plans" for a 2' x 2' x 1' 350 HP, fuel-less, self-running engine advertised in the Popular Science classifieds. Hmmm... The types that I believe would work (e.g., Edwin Gray's self-charging, rotary electromagnetic motor) would NOT be easy, or even affordable, for me to build. Creative Science & Research hasn't returned my call for prelim. info, but if anyone cares to follow up, perhaps we could compare notes... Meantime, I'm collecting PROPANE. Engines (generators, vehicles, gardening machines etc.) converted to LP fuel are virtually immortal. LP refrigerators are reliable, efficient, effective and have NO moving parts to wear out, and vent-less IR heaters are the greatest heating innovation of all time. Could these appliances be adapted to ACETYLENE? If so, one could stockpile a supply in the form of *calcium carbonate* (miner's' helmet fuel). It wouldn't be as simple as "just add water"--there's a alkaline slurry by-product--but the idea of having several years of fuel stored in a compact, DRY form is intriguing... _Acetylene, Its Properties, Mfr, & Uses_ by S. A. Miller Volume 1 deals w/ carbide --Russ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 23 09:50:35 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA00933; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 09:50:16 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 09:50:16 -0700 X-Fidalgo-Track-MAIL-A: pm3-2-dyn23.skagit.fidalgo.net [209.102.74.38] X-Fidalgo-Track-MAIL-B: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 09:50:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <006501beef08$84320500$33b6bfd1@Pfepps> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: I need your help Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 07:29:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"LWJ2C.0.UE.8lNmt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11549 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi Felix, I had no trouble getting to your site with IE4.0 (version 4.72.3110) > >I got the information that some people are >getting an error when accessing the New Energy Website: > >http://www.datacomm.ch/hb9abx/ > >Please let me know if you get an error, >- with text of error message >- and with type and version of your browser. > >I hope to solve the problem this way > >many thanks > Felix > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 23 09:50:38 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA00984; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 09:50:25 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 09:50:25 -0700 X-Fidalgo-Track-MAIL-A: pm3-2-dyn23.skagit.fidalgo.net [209.102.74.38] X-Fidalgo-Track-MAIL-B: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 09:50:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <006601beef08$863a5820$33b6bfd1@Pfepps> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: off topic - Weird eclipse anomaly? Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 07:44:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"kZiNk.0.HF.GlNmt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11550 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >Any comments on the below? > >http://www.enterprisemission.com/ > > 8/19/99 - "Inside Source" provides Details of "Impact Events" > 8/19/99 - Did Hoagland/Bell August 18th Comet Discussion Trigger >Another National Story ..? > 8/18/99 - Something Wicked This Way Comes ... > 8/18/99 - CNN: Millions watch century's last eclipse ( Yes, these people need to get a life :-) More seriously, at least once a month somebody now is predicting the end of the world. Remember Shoemaker-Levy? There were a lot of people who said that was the end. Then there is the Cassini flyby and on and on. I used to run a new age bookstore and a more fearful, doom-ridden group of people I've never seen. When one calamity didn't happen they would be in my store next week with another one, week after week, year after year. After a while I got the picture. Sorry Charlie, it ain't gonna happen. All these prophets, Nostradamus, Cayce, Scallion, have all been wrong, wrong, wrong, over and over again. There is a deep psychological need on the part of some people to expect an apocalypse. One reason for this is that it is an "easy way out" from their own problems and the real global problems we all face. It is a lot easier to panic about a comet and then be relieved when it doesn't hit, than it is to deal with the issues that are on your plate-- in other words, to get a life :-) Wake up and look around, doomers, we are here for the long term. No apocalypse and no "ascension". Are we going to make it nice or make it miserable? Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 23 10:05:27 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA07816; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 10:05:07 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 10:05:07 -0700 From: MKSBoysal@aol.com Message-ID: <4a1b3fd3.24f2d85a@aol.com> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 13:01:14 EDT Subject: Re-Self-running engine CC: hamdix@verisoft.com.tr (hamdi ucar), bodytemple@cwixmail.com, amlight@juno.com (Alicia), johnhoffman@webtv.net, atech@ix.netcom.com (Dennis C. Lee), brw549@iar.net, chief@sundial.net (michael romack), dawnames@hotmail.com, door@camasnet.com, ewall@infinite-energy.com (Ed Wall), FRANKARTINVENT@webtv.net (FRANK HOLMQUIST), freenrg-l@eskimo.com, powerfd@gte.net, rachelhome@bigfoot.com, richarda@icx.net, rolfe_hauser@hotmail.com, ruizmall@webtv.net, Serwitz@aol.com, survival-ark@lyghtforce.com, candace1@usa.net, dpnichols@iswt.com, MilCrDan@aol.com, transnet@teleport.com, tri-r-spheres@webtv.net, trknute@earthlink.net, werosser@hotmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Resent-Message-ID: <"FwxkB1.0.vv1.3zNmt"@mx1> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11551 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: << Hi Russ and all, I have purchased same plans about 2 yrs a go, but I never attempted to build the machine which is pulse capacitor high voltage engine. Such an experement I found out that would be little costly for me, capacitors would cost alone few hundred $ and the rest of the parts and the components you have to have a really have a good setup to be able to do it. ---I just couldn't spend my grocery money to do this experement that I wasn't too sure about it. But I have to say that I never gaved up the idea of selfrunning motor, many people did it therefore it must be possible to do it again, one way or another. Please keep intouch folks, I like follow up on this subject Mehmet.>> Hello, All I just got the order form from Creative Science & Research (Bx 557 New Albany IN 47151) about their "easy to build, easy to follow plans" for a 2' x 2' x 1' 350 HP, fuel-less, self-running engine advertised in the Popular Science classifieds. Hmmm... The types that I believe would work (e.g., Edwin Gray's self-charging, rotary electromagnetic motor) would NOT be easy affordable for me to build. Creative Science & Research hasn't returned my call for prelim. info, but if anyone cares to follow up, perhaps we could compare notes... Russ >> From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 23 11:51:56 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA08300; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 11:51:15 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 11:51:15 -0700 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 12:50:06 -0600 (MDT) From: "Jorg D. Ostrowski" X-Sender: jdo@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com cc: UNIR2B1@aol.com, hamdi ucar , bodytemple@cwixmail.com, Alicia , johnhoffman@webtv.net, "Dennis C. Lee" , brw549@iar.net, michael romack , dawnames@hotmail.com, door@camasnet.com, Ed Wall , FRANK HOLMQUIST , powerfd@gte.net, rachelhome@bigfoot.com, richarda@icx.net, rolfe_hauser@hotmail.com, ruizmall@webtv.net, Serwitz@aol.com, survival-ark@lyghtforce.com, candace1@usa.net, dpnichols@iswt.com, MilCrDan@aol.com, transnet@teleport.com, tri-r-spheres@webtv.net, trknute@earthlink.net, werosser@hotmail.com Subject: Re: "Self-running engine"? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"bcysb1.0.X12.YWPmt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11552 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: You said: "I just got the order form from Creative Science & Research (Bx 557 New Albany IN 47151) about their "easy to build, easy to follow plans" for a 2' x 2' x 1' 350 HP, fuel-less, self-running engine advertised in the Popular Science classifieds." -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Russ: Does anyone know of anyone who has built this machine? They have been advertising this device for several years now, so many people must have tried it by now. Does it work? When I talked to them several years ago, they did not sound very scientific, but perhaps now they have improved their information and device. I hope they return your message. Jorg Ostrowski From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 23 11:53:18 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA08747; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 11:52:51 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 11:52:51 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 08:52:40 -1000 Subject: Re: I need your help From: "Rick Monteverde" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <199908231452.SM00208@[192.168.0.2]> Resent-Message-ID: <"S0Hbn2.0.a82.3YPmt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11553 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Felix - >>I got the information that some people are >>getting an error when accessing the New Energy Website: >> >>http://www.datacomm.ch/hb9abx/ >> >>Please let me know if you get an error, >>- with text of error message >>- and with type and version of your browser. >> >>I hope to solve the problem this way >> >>many thanks >> Felix I bet the music on the first page is causing the error. Some older browsers or those running in a small memory partition will get an error. It's always a very bad idea to force music, movies, large pictures, etc., on browsers hitting your entry and index page. You automatically freeze a certain percentage of people out that way, and you end up irritating most of the rest of them. It is considered good modern web design to make your index page very fast loading and free of any fancy tricks at all, and then give people the option of navigating to pages with fancy stuff that need lots of memory and the most recent browsers for people to be able to deal with them. Good luck, - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 23 13:31:00 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA07632; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 13:30:36 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 13:30:36 -0700 Message-ID: <37C19528.82D25D94@telusplanet.net> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 13:38:33 -0500 From: Don Adams Reply-To: donadams@telusplanet.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: off topic - Weird eclipse anomaly? References: <006601beef08$863a5820$33b6bfd1@Pfepps> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"rNI_K.0.6t1.izQmt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11554 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Fred, I tend to agree with you. However, it seems that Hoagland often has an uncanny way of discovering things.... cheers all Fred Epps wrote: > >Any comments on the below? > > > >http://www.enterprisemission.com/ > > > > 8/19/99 - "Inside Source" provides Details of "Impact Events" > > 8/19/99 - Did Hoagland/Bell August 18th Comet Discussion > Trigger > >Another National Story ..? > > 8/18/99 - Something Wicked This Way Comes ... > > 8/18/99 - CNN: Millions watch century's last eclipse ( > > Yes, these people need to get a life :-) > > More seriously, at least once a month somebody now is predicting the end of > the world. Remember Shoemaker-Levy? There were a lot of people who said > that was the end. Then there is the Cassini flyby and on and on. I used to > run a new age bookstore and a more fearful, doom-ridden group of people I've > never seen. When one calamity didn't happen they would be in my store next > week with another one, week after week, year after year. After a while I got > the picture. Sorry Charlie, it ain't gonna happen. All these prophets, > Nostradamus, Cayce, Scallion, have all been wrong, wrong, wrong, over and > over again. > > There is a deep psychological need on the part of some people to expect an > apocalypse. One reason for this is that it is an "easy way out" from their > own problems and the real global problems we all face. It is a lot easier to > panic about a comet and then be relieved when it doesn't hit, than it is to > deal with the issues that are on your plate-- in other words, to get a life > :-) > > Wake up and look around, doomers, we are here for the long term. No > apocalypse and no "ascension". Are we going to make it nice or make it > miserable? > > Fred -- *********************************************************** Harry, I'm going to let you in on a little secret. Every day, once a day, give yourself a present. Don't plan it, don't wait for it, just... let it happen. -- Special Agent Dale Cooper ... ====================================================================== Don J.S. Adams, Overseer and Registered Agent for Domhnall C G N Adams - (Corporation Sole - Lawful Entity Name) RAVE Communications 206-849-7966 Cell Phone - USA 780-998-4066 Canada http://www.intergate.bc.ca/rave alt e-mail address donjsadams@rocketmail.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 23 15:41:47 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA22072; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 15:41:14 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 15:41:14 -0700 Message-ID: <19990823224039.69824.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [208.254.227.247] From: "Timothy Flytcher" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Weird eclipse pendulum anomaly? Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 15:40:39 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"6Dg6l3.0.lO5.9uSmt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11555 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: so what happened to the pendulum??? any real data??? anyone??? _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 23 16:03:15 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA29053; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 16:03:00 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 16:03:00 -0700 X-BPC-Relay-Envelope-From: rvanspaa@bigpond.net.au X-BPC-Relay-Envelope-To: X-BPC-Relay-Sender-Host: CPE-24-192-27-124.vic.bigpond.net.au [24.192.27.124] X-BPC-Relay-Info: Message delivered directly. From: rvanspaa@bigpond.net.au (Robin van Spaandonk) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: "Self-running engine"? Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 23:02:21 GMT Organization: Improving Message-ID: <37c1d291.87588146@mail-hub> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id QAA29021 Resent-Message-ID: <"ANZ1B3.0.s57.ZCTmt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11556 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 23 Aug 1999 12:24:21 EDT, UNIR2B1@aol.com wrote: [snip] >supply in the form of *calcium carbonate* (miner's' helmet fuel). It [snip] Acetylene is more dangerous than propane, and that's calcium carbide, not carbonate. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 23 16:29:43 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA06611; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 16:29:13 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 16:29:13 -0700 X-Fidalgo-Track-MAIL-A: pm3-2-dyn8.skagit.fidalgo.net [209.102.74.23] X-Fidalgo-Track-MAIL-B: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 16:29:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <01c201beef40$3dbe9c40$33b6bfd1@Pfepps> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: Weird eclipse pendulum anomaly? Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 14:22:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"wzggG1.0.Cd1.8bTmt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11557 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >so what happened to the pendulum??? any real data??? anyone??? I've written to Dr. Noever, head of the NASA project and he wrote back and said, "we just don't know yet". It takes time to process that much data. Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 23 16:53:11 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA15870; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 16:52:54 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 16:52:54 -0700 From: bpaddock@csonline.net (Bob Paddock) Newsgroups: list.freenrg1 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Amin Cycle/Entropy Systems Inc. Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 19:50:57 -0400 Organization: is mostly via piles Reply-To: bpaddock@csonline.net Message-ID: Lines: 124 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.37Beta [95/NT] Resent-Message-ID: <"gPpag.0.ot3.MxTmt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11558 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Long ago I ran a BBS when most people didn't know what a MODEM was, Sanjay Amin was a frequent caller to my system as he liked all of the odd-ball files I had there, since he was not far from my system. So you can find a bit of info on his device at my web site, tho it is more theory than about the Air Conditioning thing, that is a few years old. I have not yet seen his engines, but I'll see if I can some time soon, as he is not far from my Parents place. I have seen his Chemical Free Air Conditioning/No CFC'S device in operation and it does what he claims. It will reduce ambient air temperature by up to 30 degrees, I don't recall if that was 'C or 'F for sure but I think it was 'C. It seems that Sanjay has been up to Some Interesting Stuff: ---------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 20:39:17 EDT Subject: Hello Bob, This is Sanjay. Hello Bob. How are you? Havent talked to you for quiet a while now. We have opened our brand new website selling engines and refrigerators running on the Amin Cycle. the url is: http://www.entropysystems.com Also look at the following magazines for more information on our engines. September 1999 issue of : Physics Today September 1999 issue of : Mechanical Engineering Magazine. September 20, 1999 issue of : Applied Journal of Physics Letters September 24, 1999 issue of: Science [If any of you get those I'd like a copy for my file.] Keep in touch Bob. Hope to talk to you soon Sincerely, Sanjay Amin Entropy Systems Inc., 8150 Market Street Youngstown, OH 44512, USA. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Some bits from their web site: http://www.entropysystems.com/ Entropy Systems, Inc. U.S. Patents # 5,547,341 & 5,765,387 We sell beta versions of Engines, which produce zero emissions and convert atmospheric heat to power. [At $75,000 I don't think many of us here are going to be running out and buying one.] Entropy Engines produce zero emissions & do not use any environmentally harmful chemicals. Entropy Engines can operate by converting heat at any temperature to power and the by-product is clean refrigerated air. Entropy Engines have efficiencies higher than any conventional Refrigerators, Engines or Fuel Cells. Entropy Engines can operate as both a power plant and a refrigerator. Typical uses: For Refrigeration, Air-conditioning & as an engine for: Generators, Outboard motors, Lawn-mowers, Compressors & Autos. We also design, manufacture, and sell custom built machines according to customer specifications. [Don't mean to make it look like a sales pitch, the only thing I've ever gotten out of it is a book. Thought the technologies was interesting since it went against the Guardians of Status Quo.] ------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 15:49:24 EDT Subject: Re: Hello Bob, This is Sanjay. Thanks Bob for the emails: All the copies of the book are sold out. I will have to make a decision to print a second edition of the book. I will let you know on that. I will also provide you details on the news release as we approach closer to that date. Sincerely, Sanjay Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 17:39:58 EDT Subject: Re: Hello Bob, This is Sanjay. Hello Bob: Technical and theoretical information on Entropy Engines is now available. Please inform all your members to check out the information. Sincerely, Sanjay Amin -- For information on any of the following check out my WEB site at: http://www.biogate.com/bpaddock/ *CHEMICAL FREE AIR CONDITIONING/NO CFC'S*, Chronic Pain Relief, Echofone, Electromedicine, Electronics, Explore!, Free Energy, Full Disclosure, KeelyNet, Matric Limited, Neurophone, Oil City PA, Philadelphia Experiment. http://www.uCOS-II.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 23 17:14:54 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA21751; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 17:14:40 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 17:14:40 -0700 Message-ID: <00ec01beedc6$6021fbe0$46e4869f@vector> From: "Trev" To: References: <006601beef08$863a5820$33b6bfd1@Pfepps> Subject: Re: off topic - Weird eclipse anomaly? Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 00:11:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"5WPN-3.0.mJ5.lFUmt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11559 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: ----- Original Message ----- From: Fred Epps To: Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 1999 3:44 PM Subject: Re: off topic - Weird eclipse anomaly? > > > >Any comments on the below? > > > >http://www.enterprisemission.com/ > > > > 8/19/99 - "Inside Source" provides Details of "Impact Events" > > 8/19/99 - Did Hoagland/Bell August 18th Comet Discussion > Trigger > >Another National Story ..? > > 8/18/99 - Something Wicked This Way Comes ... > > 8/18/99 - CNN: Millions watch century's last eclipse ( > > Yes, these people need to get a life :-) > > More seriously, at least once a month somebody now is predicting the end of > the world. Remember Shoemaker-Levy? There were a lot of people who said > that was the end. Then there is the Cassini flyby and on and on. I used to > run a new age bookstore and a more fearful, doom-ridden group of people I've > never seen. When one calamity didn't happen they would be in my store next > week with another one, week after week, year after year. After a while I got > the picture. Sorry Charlie, it ain't gonna happen. All these prophets, > Nostradamus, Cayce, Scallion, have all been wrong, wrong, wrong, over and > over again. > > There is a deep psychological need on the part of some people to expect an > apocalypse. One reason for this is that it is an "easy way out" from their > own problems and the real global problems we all face. It is a lot easier to > panic about a comet and then be relieved when it doesn't hit, than it is to > deal with the issues that are on your plate-- in other words, to get a life > :-) > > Wake up and look around, doomers, we are here for the long term. No > apocalypse and no "ascension". Are we going to make it nice or make it > miserable? > > Fred It's bound to happen now youv'e said that Fred ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 23 20:28:38 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA12862; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 20:28:13 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 20:28:13 -0700 Message-ID: <37C2112F.E9A6CBF4@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 20:27:43 -0700 From: eks1 Reply-To: eks1@earthlink.net Organization: Systems Research Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,en-GB,en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bpaddock@csonline.net CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Amin Cycle/Entropy Systems Inc. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Vbdp62.0.s83.D5Xmt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11560 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Bob Paddock wrote: > > I have seen his Chemical Free Air Conditioning/No CFC'S > device in operation and it does what he claims. It will > reduce ambient air temperature by up to 30 degrees, I don't > recall if that was 'C or 'F for sure but I think it was 'C. Heh, I remember this! It's based on the Rovac Cycle. Air entered the compressor at ambient temp & 14.7psi. The compressor stuffs it up to 150+ psi and then runs it thru a radiator, the compression of course has increased the air's temp to +100F even if the ambient temp is 95-100F this means that there is still a 100F temperature difference between the ambient and the compressed air. Hence, the ambient air flow over the radiator extracts that 100F and now the compressed air is routed to the expandor side of the rotary pump, where it loses it's pressure, and in doing so put's BACK some of the work energy that was used to compress it. The air is now at 14.7 psi again and as a result is very cold! Simple thermodynamics, no mystery. Chrysler was going to put this system into their 1976 cars and then the govt gave the auto industry a break by rescheduling the cutoff date for removing the common CFC FREONs from a/c systems. Chrysler just shelved the patent and forgot about it! There had been a full article in Science and Mechanics magazine which gave the system high praise back in 1975 or so. And so it goes... Erik From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 23 21:17:46 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA27508; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 21:17:29 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 21:17:29 -0700 From: UNIR2B1@aol.com Message-ID: <97cc9f08.24f37694@aol.com> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 00:16:20 EDT Subject: Re: "Self-running engine"? To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5 for Windows Resent-Message-ID: <"K-_J-3.0.jj6.PpXmt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11561 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: In a message dated 99-08-23 14:54:10 EDT, you write: >Russ: Does anyone know of anyone who has built this machine? They have >been advertising this device for several years now, so many people must >have tried it by now. Does it work? When I talked to them several years >ago, they did not sound very scientific, but perhaps now they have >improved their information and device. I hope they return your message. >Jorg Ostrowski I asked [you] first! Nya, nya! From SaveTheTrees@madferit.co.uk Mon Aug 23 21:22:31 1999 Received: from myserver1.com (08-205.015.popsite.net [192.216.7.205]) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA18444; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 21:21:57 -0700 (PDT) From: SaveTheTrees@madferit.co.uk Subject: "Work To: alanl@eskimo.com Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 21:32:32 -0800 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Message-Id: X-Mailer: CyberCreek Avalanche 98 Demo; RSR Build:35777 Status: O X-Status: ..

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From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 23 21:25:05 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA30216; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 21:24:50 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 21:24:50 -0700 From: UNIR2B1@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 00:22:34 EDT Subject: Re: "Self-running engine"? To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5 for Windows Resent-Message-ID: <"Pjwqu2.0.zN7.IwXmt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11562 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: In a message dated 99-08-23 19:04:53 EDT, you write: > that's calcium carbide, >not carbonate. Of course...low blood sugar. If not gassified under precise conditions, carbide by-products other than the desired gas can arise, e.g., acetylene polymers. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 24 04:39:10 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id EAA31839; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 04:38:48 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 04:38:48 -0700 Message-ID: Priority: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 To: "FreeEnergyList" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Garry Whitman" Subject: Vapor Carbs and Weird Happenings Date: Mon, 23 Aug 99 13:36:40 PDT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"RrzmF.0.On7.8Hemt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11563 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: The good stuff is at the end. First a little background. Awhile back I sent off for plans for the GEET device. Since then I have built five versions on a 14 H.P. engine. I have not been able to improve my fuel economy with these devices but some oddities did occur. The first one happened with the very first setup I used. I tried to run each test for twenty minutes at 2000 RPM. The setup required constant attention and when the run was almost over the engine sputtered and went to about half speed. After resetting the mix I noticed that the exhaust was cool, maybe 70 degrees on a 100 degree day. This lasted for about 45 seconds and I was never able to repeat the effect. The next unusual effect was the tendency of the exhaust to be nearly pollution free at intermittent and random times even during the same test run. Never was the effect long lasting or predictable. Both of these were predicted by the GEET plans. I became frustrated at trying to get information from GEET and decided to build my own version of a vapor carb based on a combination of ideas from the IBM patent server. Several of these patents speak of using a metal catalyst in the intake manifold to break down the fuel in to more combustible parts. Virtually all of these patents use the exhaust to heat the incoming fuel and some use additional heaters as well. With all this in mind perhaps there is one among you who has a reasonable, conventional explanation of the following. Instead of an exotic metal catalyst with an added heat source the following setup was used. An intake tube of 1.125 in. inside diameter was inserted into an exhaust tube of 1.5 in. inside diameter with the air flow in both tubes flowing in the same direction. The tubes were 24 inches long and made of mild steel. A cast iron rod of about .5 in. in diameter and 8 in. was laid in the inner pipe within 2 in. of the exhaust valve and about 1.25 in. from the normal carb. The rod was prevented from moving towards the muffler by a .125 in. steel rod. An adjustable air bleed was located in the intake tube .5 in. from the carb. This was to lean out the mix after the engine was started. This was to be my last experiment with vapor carbs. The rod was not fastened to the intake tube in any way nor was there any reasonable expectation that it would get warm enough to function as a catalyst or as a means to further vaporize the mixture. Ten minutes into the test run the exhaust was just as nasty as normal and daylight was running out. The rod was pulled from the warm engine and inspected. It had turned a bright cobalt blue from one end to the other. My text indicated that this had been subjected to a temperature of between 560 and 570 degrees. HOW! GEET speaks of an unexplained "plasma effect". This rod laying in an airstream made cold by evaporating gasoline and rushing ambient air had turned bright blue in ten minutes. I am continuing these experiments with a different engine. The first engine and the setup have been left as they were for the time being. Any and all comments are welcome. More to come after this weekend. Garry From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 24 05:46:17 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id FAA13563; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 05:45:57 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 05:45:57 -0700 From: bpaddock@csonline.net (Bob Paddock) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Amin Cycle/Entropy Systems Inc. Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 08:31:12 -0400 Organization: is mostly via piles Reply-To: bpaddock@csonline.net Message-ID: References: <37C2112F.E9A6CBF4@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <37C2112F.E9A6CBF4@earthlink.net> Lines: 17 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.37Beta [95/NT] Resent-Message-ID: <"Y-D0X2.0.mJ3.5Gfmt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11564 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > Heh, I remember this! It's based on the Rovac Cycle. Air >entered the compressor at ambient temp & 14.7psi. The >compressor stuffs it up to 150+ psi and then runs it thru a >radiator, the compression of course has increased the air's >temp to +100F There is no 100F or radiator involved in the device that I saw a few years ago. It seemed to be more about the shape of the various parts. -- For information on any of the following check out my WEB site at: http://www.biogate.com/bpaddock/ Chemical Free Air Conditioning/No CFC's, Chronic Pain Relief, Echofone, Electromedicine, Electronics, Explore!, Free Energy, Full Disclosure, KeelyNet, Matric Limited, Neurophone, Oil City PA, Philadelphia Experiment. http://www.uCOS-II.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 24 07:20:10 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id HAA07135; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 07:19:52 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 07:19:52 -0700 Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 08:19:17 -0600 (MDT) From: "Jorg D. Ostrowski" X-Sender: jdo@acs6.acs.ucalgary.ca To: Garry Whitman cc: FreeEnergyList Subject: Re: Vapor Carbs and Weird Happenings In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"PplFE1.0.Ol1.7egmt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11565 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Garry: Thank you for your interesting report. Have you tried to run the GEET engine on 100% (or even 80%) water? Jorg Ostrowski -------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Mon, 23 Aug 1999, Garry Whitman wrote: > > The good stuff is at the end. First a little background. Awhile back I sent > off for plans for the GEET device. Since then I have built five versions on > a 14 H.P. engine. I have not been able to improve my fuel economy with > these devices but some oddities did occur. The first one happened with the > very first setup I used. I tried to run each test for twenty minutes at > 2000 RPM. The setup required constant attention and when the run was almost > over the engine sputtered and went to about half speed. After resetting the > mix I noticed that the exhaust was cool, maybe 70 degrees on a 100 degree > day. This lasted for about 45 seconds and I was never able to repeat the > effect. The next unusual effect was the tendency of the exhaust to be > nearly pollution free at intermittent and random times even during the same > test run. Never was the effect long lasting or predictable. Both of these > were predicted by the GEET plans. I became frustrated at trying to get > information from GEET and decided to build my own version of a vapor carb > based on a combination of ideas from the IBM patent server. Several of > these patents speak of using a metal catalyst in the intake manifold to > break down the fuel in to more combustible parts. Virtually all of these > patents use the exhaust to heat the incoming fuel and some use additional > heaters as well. > With all this in mind perhaps there is one among you who has a reasonable, > conventional explanation of the following. Instead of an exotic metal > catalyst with an added heat source the following setup was used. An intake > tube of 1.125 in. inside diameter was inserted into an exhaust tube of 1.5 > in. inside diameter with the air flow in both tubes flowing in the same > direction. The tubes were 24 inches long and made of mild steel. A cast > iron rod of about .5 in. in diameter and 8 in. was laid in the inner pipe > within 2 in. of the exhaust valve and about 1.25 in. from the normal carb. > The rod was prevented from moving towards the muffler by a .125 in. steel > rod. An adjustable air bleed was located in the intake tube .5 in. from the > carb. This was to lean out the mix after the engine was started. This was > to be my last experiment with vapor carbs. The rod was not fastened to the > intake tube in any way nor was there any reasonable expectation that it > would get warm enough to function as a catalyst or as a means to further > vaporize the mixture. Ten minutes into the test run the exhaust was just as > nasty as normal and daylight was running out. The rod was pulled from the > warm engine and inspected. It had turned a bright cobalt blue from one end > to the other. My text indicated that this had been subjected to a > temperature of between 560 and 570 degrees. HOW! GEET speaks of an > unexplained "plasma effect". This rod laying in an airstream made cold by > evaporating gasoline and rushing ambient air had turned bright blue in ten > minutes. I am continuing these experiments with a different engine. The > first engine and the setup have been left as they were for the time being. > Any and all comments are welcome. More to come after this weekend. > Garry > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 24 13:00:19 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA21225; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 12:59:55 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 12:59:55 -0700 Message-ID: <37C2EB60.FDB89F8A@datacomm.ch> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 20:58:40 +0200 From: Felix Meyer Organization: hb9abx X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: I need your help References: <043d01beeded$e99c01a0$62b6bfd1@Pfepps> <37C137C2.453E9900@datacomm.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"soUI71.0.YB5.xclmt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11566 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Felix Meyer schrieb: > > I need your help > ---------------- > > I got the information that some people are > getting an error when accessing the New Energy Website: > > http://www.datacomm.ch/hb9abx/ > > Please let me know if you get an error, > ... snip Hi all, many thanks for all replies which I received to the above message. I did receive many good suggestions. In order to speed up loading and prevent errors in some configurations I have removed the automatic sound and picture on the Index Page. Sound and picture can be selected on the page. Felix From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 24 13:01:17 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA21757; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 13:01:07 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 13:01:07 -0700 From: HLafonte@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 15:59:46 EDT Subject: Do you agree with this? To: energy21@listbot.com CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Resent-Message-ID: <"zwkO02.0.sJ5.2elmt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11567 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On my web site the first picture is of a iron bar tapered to point. Above it is a magnet. If the magnet is allowed to move parallel to the top of the bar a small drag is felt as you move it to the right. The taper allows you to move the magnet away from the iron with less force but over a longer distance, taking the same amount of work to remove it away from the bar as compared to just pulling it straight up from it's starting point. Now, if you move it to the right again, but allow it to be pulled toward the surface of the bar, a certain amount of work can be done by the magnet in the act of pulling it's self to the bar surface as shown by the green line. Now the total work the person has to put into moving the magnet away from the bar is greater because the magnet is closer to the surface of the bar. Now if you subtract the work done by the magnet pulling it's self to the surface of the bar from the work done by you pulling the magnet away from the bar, then the work done is the same as when you pulled the magnet parallel in the first movement. Do you agree? Thanks, Butch LaFonte LaFonte Research site 1 or http://hometown.aol.com/hlafonte/index.html From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 24 14:42:42 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA26430; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 14:42:16 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 14:42:16 -0700 Message-ID: <37C2F771.688DC98@telusplanet.net> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 14:50:10 -0500 From: Don Adams Reply-To: donadams@telusplanet.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Something Weird - Orgone Pressure? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"H40Rp1.0.mS6.s6nmt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11568 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Last night I had a rather odd experience. I've been working on a small experiment and had a bunch of parts strewn about the floor, most of which arent important to mention here, however the following parts I mention here were involved with the odd experience..... 2 Silver Chloride electrode pads - taken from an Alpha Stim set (high quality) 1 pair of pad connect wires - - taken from an Alpha Stim set (high quality) 2 aligator clip wires 1, 3 ply orgone blanket 1 mattress 1 4000 gauss mag sleep pad 1 mid quality Multi meter 1 tape recorder microphone jack and cable heres what happened, while working on some stuff in another room I dumped the above temporarily on my bed, just to get it out of the way. I had an old mic jack and cable I had used for a small portable tape recorder I had used previously which I had cut the microphone off and had spliced the wire exposing the two wire ends. To these wire ends I attached alligator clip cables, which to the other end of the alligator clips were attached the electrode wire cables which in turn connected to the electrode pads. The multimeter was attached to the electrodes and I dumped the lot on my bed. On top of my bed is a heavy duty orgone blanket I made last summer, under my mattress is a powerful magnetic sleep pad (4000 gauss). The multimeter was set to the 200mV setting and it started fluctuating wildly... going as high as 41.70, but averaging always between 22 to 28.00 approx. There was no power source connected to any of the wires. I thought maybe there was something weird going on with the meter and pads maybe picking up the cycling AC current in the condo, so I took all this stuff out to the living room and put it on the floor. I figured if its just picking up ambient floating charge from the walls then I should get a similiar reading away from the orgone blanket. I didnt, while the meter still fluctuated and gave readings just sitting on the carpet the readings were wild and no casual, discernable average could be read however when I went back to the orgone blanket it settled down again at the previously mentioned range. I tried disconnecting all the wires from the pads and connected the meter only to the pads while resting on the blanket... again, same result. I am certain there must be a most obvious explanation to all this... as I am not an electronics wiz I am guessing I'm missing something horribly obvious. Is it just some sort of anomalous flaw in the meter? Can anyone provide insight into this? Thx, Don From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 24 15:22:38 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA03478; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 15:22:18 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 15:22:18 -0700 X-Fidalgo-Track-MAIL-A: pm3-2-dyn17.skagit.fidalgo.net [209.102.74.32] X-Fidalgo-Track-MAIL-B: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 15:22:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <006001beefff$f8bd3140$85b6bfd1@Pfepps> From: "Fred Epps" To: , Subject: Re: Something Weird - Orgone Pressure? Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 13:17:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"niavd1.0.Fs.Qinmt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11569 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi Don, Thanks for the interesting report! Of course it is possible that there is some conventional explanation for this but it seems unlikely in the context of the considerable body of evidence that orgone and EM do interact. For instance take a look at the Coil/Orac tests, both the original ones at http://www.borderlands.com/archives/arch/orac.htm and a friend of mine's recent replication at: http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/7919/coilorac.html These experiments show that oracs can affect meter readings. Whether this force is indeed electric current in the wires is still up for debate. I recommend that experimenters try to replicate these tests to add to the body of knowledge of em/orgone interactions. This may lead to a usable energy source. Also take a look at: http://orgone.org/articles/ax8ernst-mag1.htm and http://www.orgone.org/unvsci/zzmag-orac1.htm for compass measurements of the "magnetic field" of an orac. It might also be said that a magnetic has an "orgone field" since Hans Reichenbach's sensitives saw energy flows from the ends of a magnet, and several researchers, Roy Eugene Davis and Oliver Crane being two random examples, have described cw (S) and ccw (N) energy vortices coming from the two ends of a magnet. The differing healing effects from the two ends of a magnet cannot be accounted for by the normal flux orientations of a magnet, though they are easily explainable in terms of vortical forces. It has been my view for a while now that all phenomena of orgone, chi, prana, etc. can be explained in terms of vortical electromagnetic fields, where the E and B vectors are parallel. These configurations are more stable than standard fields, and can also explain ball lightning, charge clusters, plasma phenomena, etc. This also relates to the faster than light "torsion field" area. If such a field emanates from an orgone "accumulator" (and I do not think it accumulates anything but acts as a waveguide) then the presence of a magnet might "untwist" some of this trapped em energy and make it detectible by a meter, and available for use. Fred >On top of my bed is a heavy duty orgone blanket I made last summer, under my mattress >is a powerful magnetic sleep pad (4000 gauss). The multimeter was set to the 200mV >setting and it started fluctuating wildly... going as high as 41.70, but averaging >always between >22 to 28.00 approx Is it just some sort of anomalous flaw in the meter? Can >anyone provide insight into this? > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 24 16:46:51 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA31874; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 16:46:32 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 16:46:32 -0700 Message-ID: <37C3149E.2EC8A70F@telusplanet.net> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 16:54:38 -0500 From: Don Adams Reply-To: donadams@telusplanet.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fred Epps CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Something Weird - Orgone Pressure? References: <006001beefff$f8bd3140$85b6bfd1@Pfepps> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"UGPlN2.0.xn7.Nxomt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11570 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Fred, greatly appreciate your comments and feedback! Will check out the sights you mentioned! Cheers! Don :) Fred Epps wrote: > Hi Don, > > Thanks for the interesting report! > > Of course it is possible that there is some conventional explanation for > this but it seems unlikely in the context of the considerable body of > evidence that orgone and EM do interact. For instance take a look at the > Coil/Orac tests, both the original ones at > > http://www.borderlands.com/archives/arch/orac.htm > > and a friend of mine's recent replication at: > > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/7919/coilorac.html > > These experiments show that oracs can affect meter readings. Whether this > force is indeed electric current in the wires is still up for debate. I > recommend that experimenters try to replicate these tests to add to the body > of knowledge of em/orgone interactions. This may lead to a usable energy > source. > > Also take a look at: > > http://orgone.org/articles/ax8ernst-mag1.htm > > and > > http://www.orgone.org/unvsci/zzmag-orac1.htm > > for compass measurements of the "magnetic field" of an orac. > > It might also be said that a magnetic has an "orgone field" since Hans > Reichenbach's sensitives saw energy flows from the ends of a magnet, and > several researchers, Roy Eugene Davis and Oliver Crane being two random > examples, have described cw (S) and ccw (N) energy vortices coming from the > two ends of a magnet. > The differing healing effects from the two ends of a magnet cannot be > accounted for by the normal flux orientations of a magnet, though they are > easily explainable in terms of vortical forces. > > It has been my view for a while now that all phenomena of orgone, chi, > prana, etc. can be explained in terms of vortical electromagnetic fields, > where the E and B vectors are parallel. These configurations are more > stable than standard fields, and can also explain ball lightning, charge > clusters, plasma phenomena, etc. > This also relates to the faster than light "torsion field" area. > > If such a field emanates from an orgone "accumulator" (and I do not think it > accumulates anything but acts as a waveguide) then the presence of a magnet > might "untwist" some of this trapped em energy and make it detectible by a > meter, and available for use. > > Fred > > >On top of my bed is a heavy duty orgone blanket I made last summer, under > my mattress > >is a powerful magnetic sleep pad (4000 gauss). The multimeter was set to > the 200mV > >setting and it started fluctuating wildly... going as high as 41.70, but > averaging > >always between > >22 to 28.00 approx Is it just some sort of anomalous flaw in the > meter? Can > >anyone provide insight into this? > > -- *********************************************************** Harry, I'm going to let you in on a little secret. Every day, once a day, give yourself a present. Don't plan it, don't wait for it, just... let it happen. -- Special Agent Dale Cooper ... ====================================================================== Don J.S. Adams, Overseer and Registered Agent for Domhnall C G N Adams - (Corporation Sole - Lawful Entity Name) RAVE Communications 206-849-7966 Cell Phone - USA 780-998-4066 Canada http://www.intergate.bc.ca/rave alt e-mail address donjsadams@rocketmail.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 24 17:55:45 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA18092; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 17:55:15 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 17:55:15 -0700 X-BPC-Relay-Envelope-From: rvanspaa@bigpond.net.au X-BPC-Relay-Envelope-To: X-BPC-Relay-Sender-Host: CPE-24-192-27-124.vic.bigpond.net.au [24.192.27.124] X-BPC-Relay-Info: Message delivered directly. From: rvanspaa@bigpond.net.au (Robin van Spaandonk) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Something Weird - Orgone Pressure? Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 00:54:42 GMT Organization: Improving Message-ID: <37c53e5b.180745289@mail-hub> References: <37C2F771.688DC98@telusplanet.net> In-Reply-To: <37C2F771.688DC98@telusplanet.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id RAA18067 Resent-Message-ID: <"GURt33.0.bQ4.pxpmt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11571 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Tue, 24 Aug 1999 14:50:10 -0500, Don Adams wrote: [snip] >On top of my bed is a heavy duty orgone blanket I made last summer, under my mattress >is a powerful magnetic sleep pad (4000 gauss). The multimeter was set to I'm not familiar with magnetic sleep pads. Is it just a permanent magnet, or does it run on AC from the grid? [snip] Regards, Robin van Spaandonk From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 24 18:09:47 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA21654; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 18:09:28 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 18:09:28 -0700 X-BPC-Relay-Envelope-From: rvanspaa@bigpond.net.au X-BPC-Relay-Envelope-To: X-BPC-Relay-Sender-Host: CPE-24-192-27-124.vic.bigpond.net.au [24.192.27.124] X-BPC-Relay-Info: Message delivered directly. From: rvanspaa@bigpond.net.au (Robin van Spaandonk) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Amin Cycle/Entropy Systems Inc. Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 01:08:52 GMT Organization: Improving Message-ID: <37c63f9b.181064923@mail-hub> References: <37C2112F.E9A6CBF4@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <37C2112F.E9A6CBF4@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id SAA21621 Resent-Message-ID: <"6zB372.0.BI5.79qmt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11572 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 23 Aug 1999 20:27:43 -0700, eks1 wrote: [snip] > Heh, I remember this! It's based on the Rovac Cycle. Air entered the >compressor >at ambient temp & 14.7psi. The compressor stuffs it up to 150+ psi and then >runs it thru a radiator, the compression of course has increased the air's temp >to +100F >even if the ambient temp is 95-100F this means that there is still a 100F >temperature >difference between the ambient and the compressed air. Hence, the ambient air >flow >over the radiator extracts that 100F and now the compressed air is routed to >the >expandor side of the rotary pump, where it loses it's pressure, and in doing so >put's >BACK some of the work energy that was used to compress it. The air is now at >14.7 psi again and as a result is very cold! > > Simple thermodynamics, no mystery. [snip] This is also what I was initially reminded of when I first saw it. However after careful examination of the site, I'm not so sure. The inventor claims to actually have an OU device, or more correctly, to violate the second law of thermodynamics. I tend to believe that this is possible, because I can describe a thought experiment that results in just such a violation, yet in which none of the individual parts violate any thermodynamics laws. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 24 18:12:46 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA22502; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 18:12:35 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 18:12:35 -0700 X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQlq4CkJrlS8wj5BwwNMhJTr8P3HwIUMIMB5qEhAcA0WLdWqzwgSUy1Ttc= From: B777b77@webtv.net (R B) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 20:12:34 -0500 (EST) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Make a Magnet Message-ID: <576-37C34302-968@postoffice-121.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"jGpQr.0.VV5.3Cqmt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11573 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: While tinkering with some idea's, I came across something that might be of use. I was looking for some way to have a magnet with ramdom poles on two sides. I took some very strong magnets and crushed them with a hammer till I got a magnetic mulch. Then shaped this into a square on cardboard and super glued it together. The final result was a magnet not as strong as before, but still a magnet with different poles all over it. How many times have you wished you could find a magnet of a certain shape or size but had to settle with what you had. This might be a way to design your own with the poles where you want them. Make a form say a square out of plastic and stuff your magnetic mulch into it. Now take a strong magnet to one side and this mulch will alien itself with the opposite poles to that magnet. Creating one pole on one side of the square. Fill it with super glue and it stays that way, How about a curved form or ball with the same poles all around. Have not tryed these but it seems possible that one could do this. Create a magnet to the shape you want and then put the poles where you want them by touching a magnet to different spots on the form. Comments? RB From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 24 18:46:39 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA02639; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 18:46:19 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 18:46:19 -0700 Message-Id: <199908250146.VAA22454@fh105.infi.net> From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" To: Subject: Steel wire Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 20:41:30 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"x7SIl3.0.2f.ghqmt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11574 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi: I am in need of thin gauge steel wire. It does not have to be insulated, but must be of 33 gauge or thinner. If anyone knows where I can get about 1200 feet of this, and how much I can expect to pay, let me know. Kyle R. Mcallister From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 24 18:53:30 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA06498; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 18:53:10 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 18:53:10 -0700 X-Sender: knuke@mail.lcia.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: knuke@LCIA.COM (Michael T Huffman) Subject: Re: Make a Magnet Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 21:59:45 -0400 Message-ID: <19990825015945968.AAA162@mail.lcia.com@lizard> Resent-Message-ID: <"Khl2k1.0.Ob1.6oqmt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11575 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hey! That sounds pretty cool. There have been some things that I wanted to do, and have some junk magnets, but not in the right shape or dimension. Thanks for the idea. Knuke Michael T. Huffman Huffman Technology Company 1121 Dustin Drive The Villages, Florida 32159 (352)259-1276 knuke@LCIA.COM http://www.aa.net/~knuke/index.htm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 24 21:17:05 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA17809; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 21:16:39 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 21:16:39 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.16.19990824211227.1f8f05ac@earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (16) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 21:12:27 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: Do you agree with this? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"WZuTO.0.AM4.dusmt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11576 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Butch, At 03:59 PM 8/24/99 EDT, you wrote: >On my web site the first picture is of a iron bar tapered to point. >Above it is a magnet. >If the magnet is allowed to move parallel to the top of the bar a small drag >is felt as you move it to the right. >The taper allows you to move the magnet away from the iron with less force >but over a longer distance, taking the same amount of work to remove it away >from the bar as compared to just pulling it straight up from it's starting >point. The horizontal travel might require more work with real world iron, shifting domains, etc. >Now, if you move it to the right again, but allow it to be pulled toward the >surface of the bar, a certain amount of work can be done by the magnet in the >act of pulling it's self to the bar surface as shown by the green line. >Now the total work the person has to put into moving the magnet away from the >bar is greater because the magnet is closer to the surface of the bar. >Now if you subtract the work done by the magnet pulling it's self to the >surface of the bar from the work done by you pulling the magnet away from the >bar, then the work done is the same as when you pulled the magnet parallel in >the first movement. >Do you agree? The iron would see higher fields and have more loss. Besides that, I agree. >Thanks, >Butch LaFonte >LaFonte Research site >1 or http://hometown.aol.com/hlafonte/index.html > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 24 21:54:01 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA30321; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 21:53:43 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 21:53:43 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.16.19990824212201.2fa73188@earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (16) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 21:22:01 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: Steel wire In-Reply-To: <199908250146.VAA22454@fh105.infi.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"SXSl-3.0.gP7.NRtmt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11577 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Kyle, At 08:41 PM 8/24/99 -0500, you wrote: >Hi: > >I am in need of thin gauge steel wire. It does not have to be insulated, >but must be of 33 gauge or thinner. If anyone knows where I can get about >1200 feet of this, and how much I can expect to pay, let me know. > Are you interested in the magnetic properties? What about the wire once used in wire recorders? I don't know the typical gauge. -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 24 21:54:03 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA30372; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 21:53:47 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 21:53:47 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.16.19990824214957.2fa73576@earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (16) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 21:49:57 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: Something Weird - Orgone Pressure? In-Reply-To: <006001beefff$f8bd3140$85b6bfd1@Pfepps> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"5N2EJ.0.IQ7.QRtmt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11578 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Fred and all, At 01:17 PM 8/26/99 -0700, you wrote: >Of course it is possible that there is some conventional explanation for >this but it seems unlikely in the context of the considerable body of >evidence that orgone and EM do interact. For instance take a look at the >Coil/Orac tests, both the original ones at > >http://www.borderlands.com/archives/arch/orac.htm Do the metallic layers need to be electrically connected to each other anywhere? >From this page: >Different ORACs were tried. > >1. A 2 layer wood/steel box ORAC, a 6 layer plastic/steel wool cylinder ORAC, and a 10 layer >aluminum/fibre sheet cylinder ORAC were used in lieu of the original box ORAC. All gave similar >results, though the aluminum/fibre sheet ORAC caused some erratic movement of the GV needle. > >and a friend of mine's recent replication at: > >http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/7919/coilorac.html > Can you please ask your friend what 1 minute of arc means? I assume it is something other than 1/60 of a degree, as it could be easily observed, as well as fractions of it on a regular compass. >These experiments show that oracs can affect meter readings. -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 24 23:28:40 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id XAA19776; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 23:28:18 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 23:28:18 -0700 X-Fidalgo-Track-MAIL-A: pm3-2-dyn40.skagit.fidalgo.net [209.102.74.55] X-Fidalgo-Track-MAIL-B: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 23:27:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <001201bef043$d95bcde0$374a66d1@Pfepps> From: "Fred Epps" To: "Martin" , Subject: Re: Something Weird - Orgone Pressure? Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 21:22:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"EJDGD.0.vq4.2qumt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11579 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Dave and all, > >>Of course it is possible that there is some conventional explanation for >>this but it seems unlikely in the context of the considerable body of >>evidence that orgone and EM do interact. For instance take a look at the >>Coil/Orac tests, both the original ones at >> >>http://www.borderlands.com/archives/arch/orac.htm > >Do the metallic layers need to be electrically connected to each other >anywhere? In general the layers of an orac are electrically isolated from each other. And in Martin's case they were definitely not connected. >> >>and a friend of mine's recent replication at: >> >>http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/7919/coilorac.html >> >Can you please ask your friend what 1 minute of arc means? I assume it is >something other than 1/60 of a degree, as it could be easily observed, as >well as fractions of it on a regular compass. Well, yes it is 1/60th of a degree. The compass had a magnifying glass and he has sharp eyes. The deflections were small but repeatable. Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 24 23:36:39 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id XAA22069; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 23:36:28 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 23:36:28 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 23:36:26 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Scientists' trancendent experiences Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id XAA22031 Resent-Message-ID: <"ouZhH1.0.aO5.ixumt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11580 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 21:52:33 -0700 From: "Vera M. Lind" Subject: Charles Tart's TASTE Project August 24, 1999 Dear , I am a graduate student at the Institute of Transpersonal Psychology, assisting Professor Charles T. Tart on his new consciousness research website project, The Archives of Scientists’ Transcendent Experiences (TASTE). TASTE is intended as a service for people in general, as well as a research project to advance our knowledge. Because you have had email correspondence with Professor Tart in the past, I'm assuming it's likely that you will find the TASTE project of personal interest, so I'm sending you this brief notice about it. We are also running this project with very little financial resources, and so can't afford to buy advertising; thus, we're asking a favor of you. Would you email this notice on to everyone you know who you think might be interested, lay-people or scientists? Thank you! Vera M. Lind Institute of Transpersonal Psychology Palo Alto, California veralind@issc-taste.org THE ARCHIVES OF SCIENTISTS' TRANSCENDENT EXPERIENCES (TASTE) http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/tart/taste/ Over the years many scientists, once they've realized I'm a safe person to talk to, have told me about unusual and transcendent experiences they've had. Too often I'm the first and only person they've ever spoken to about their experiences, for fear of ridicule from their colleagues and adverse, prejudicial effects on their career. Such fears have, unfortunately, too much of a basis in fact. It's not that there are a lot of scientists with nasty intentions deliberately trying to suppress their colleagues, it's just the social conditioning of our times. I want to change that, and I ask your help in doing so. Scientists today often occupy a social role like that of "high priests," telling laypeople and each other what is and isn't "real," and consequently what is and isn't valuable and sane. Unfortunately, the dominant materialistic and reductionistic psychosocial climate of contemporary science (what sociologists long ago named scientism, an attitude different from the essential process of cience), rejects and suppresses a priori both having and sharing transcendent, transpersonal and altered states (or "spiritual" and "psychic," to use common words, in spite of their too vague connotations) experiences. >From my perspective as a psychologist, though, this prejudicial suppression and rejection psychologically harms and distorts both scientists' and laypersons' transcendent (and other) potentials, and also inhibits the development of a genuine scientific understanding of the full spectrum of consciousness. Denial of any aspects of our nature, whatever their ultimate ontological status, is never psychologically or socially healthy. The Archives of Scientists' Transcendent Experiences (TASTE), that I have just opened, is intended to help change this restricted and pathological climate through the operation of a World Wide Web site in a journal form which will allow scientists from all fields - from anthropology through botany through mathematics through physics through psychology through zoology, to name just a few - to share their personal transcendent experiences in a safe, anonymous, but quality controlled space that almost all scientists and the general public have ready access to. Specifically TASTE will, to various degrees: - allow individual psychological growth in the contributing scientists by providing a safe means of expression of vital experiences; - lead toward a more receptive climate to the full range of our humanity in the scientific professions which, in turn, would benefit our world culture at large; - provide research data on transcendent experiences in a highly articulate and conscientious population, scientists; - facilitate the development of a full spectrum science of consciousness by providing both data and support for the study of transcendent experiences. - help bridge the unfortunate gaps between science and the rest of culture by illustrating the humanity of scientists. Please take a look at the TASTE site, whose URL is http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/tart/taste (if the Psychology server is off line you can use www.issc-taste.org). If you find it valuable, please pass this information on to friends and colleagues. I have no budget for advertising, so must depend on word of mouth to get this information around. If you have a web site of your own that it would be suitable to link from to TASTE, thank you! Feel free to copy one of the TASTE experiences as an example on your web site, if you like. In terms of more conventional, slower publicity, if you can recommend any journals I should send notices to, please let me know. If you are the editor of any publication, you have my permission (and thanks!) to print this notice in your publication. Thank you! Charles T. Tart, Ph.D., Editor Professor Emeritus, Psychology, University of California at Davis Professor, Core Faculty, Institute of Transpersonal Psychology, Palo Alto, CA From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 25 02:07:30 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id CAA16221; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 02:06:37 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 02:06:37 -0700 X-Fidalgo-Track-MAIL-A: pm3-2-dyn9.skagit.fidalgo.net [209.102.74.24] X-Fidalgo-Track-MAIL-B: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 02:06:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <005401bef05a$0086a6e0$374a66d1@Pfepps> From: "Fred Epps" To: "Free Energy" , "Torsion list" Subject: Saxl Patent Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 00:00:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0046_01BEF01F.24A68DA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"MzPde.0.Gz3.S8xmt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11581 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01BEF01F.24A68DA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Folks, I was not aware until tonight that Erwin Saxl had a patent on his = electrified pendulum. This is US3357253, "Device And Method For = Measuring Gravitational And Other Forces". It is not available on the = IBM patent server. It includes test results. This has obvious relevance to electrogravity and torsion research and = should be in the hands of these researchers. Accordingly, "for a = limited time only" as the ads say :-) I will mail the pdf file to those = who want it. I'll wait until next weekend to send the file to avoid = duplication of effort. It will probably be on a site later but this = format is handy. Please contact me this week if you want it.=20 Fred ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01BEF01F.24A68DA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Folks,
 
I was not aware until tonight that = Erwin Saxl=20 had a patent on his electrified pendulum. This is US3357253, = "Device And=20 Method For Measuring Gravitational And Other Forces".  It is = not=20 available on the IBM patent server. It includes test = results.
 
This has obvious relevance to = electrogravity and=20 torsion research and should be in the hands of these researchers. =20 Accordingly, "for a limited time only" as the ads say :-) I = will mail=20 the pdf file to those who want it. I'll wait until next weekend to send = the file=20 to avoid duplication of effort. It will probably be on a site later but = this=20 format is handy. Please contact me this week if you want it. =
 
Fred
------=_NextPart_000_0046_01BEF01F.24A68DA0-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 25 02:19:49 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id CAA19243; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 02:19:32 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 02:19:32 -0700 X-Fidalgo-Track-MAIL-A: pm3-2-dyn9.skagit.fidalgo.net [209.102.74.24] X-Fidalgo-Track-MAIL-B: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 02:19:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <009201bef05b$cf82d260$374a66d1@Pfepps> From: "Fred Epps" To: "Free Energy" Subject: test Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 00:14:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_008F_01BEF021.21C38000" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"FWhJJ.0.Wi4.ZKxmt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11582 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_008F_01BEF021.21C38000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ------=_NextPart_000_008F_01BEF021.21C38000 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
------=_NextPart_000_008F_01BEF021.21C38000-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 25 03:14:59 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id DAA25350; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 03:14:41 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 03:14:41 -0700 X-Fidalgo-Track-MAIL-A: pm3-2-dyn9.skagit.fidalgo.net [209.102.74.24] X-Fidalgo-Track-MAIL-B: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 03:14:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <00ac01bef063$7e59de80$374a66d1@Pfepps> From: "Fred Epps" To: "Free Energy" Subject: Erwin Saxl patent Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 01:09:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A9_01BEF028.D0C545A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"bf40w1.0._B6.G8ymt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11583 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A9_01BEF028.D0C545A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Folks, =20 I was not aware until tonight that Erwin Saxl had a patent on his = electrified pendulum. This is US3357253, "Device And Method For = Measuring Gravitational And Other Forces". It is not available on the = IBM patent server. It includes test results. =20 This has obvious relevance to electrogravity and torsion research and = should be in the hands of these researchers. Accordingly, "for a = limited time only" as the ads say :-) I will mail the pdf file to those = who want it. I'll wait until next weekend to send the file to avoid = duplication of effort. It will probably be on a site later but this = format is handy. Please contact me this week if you want it.=20 =20 Fred ------=_NextPart_000_00A9_01BEF028.D0C545A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Folks,
 
I was not aware until tonight that = Erwin Saxl=20 had a patent on his electrified pendulum. This is US3357253, = "Device And=20 Method For Measuring Gravitational And Other Forces".  It is = not=20 available on the IBM patent server. It includes test = results.
 
This has obvious relevance to = electrogravity and=20 torsion research and should be in the hands of these researchers. =20 Accordingly, "for a limited time only" as the ads say :-) I = will mail=20 the pdf file to those who want it. I'll wait until next weekend to send = the file=20 to avoid duplication of effort. It will probably be on a site later but = this=20 format is handy. Please contact me this week if you want it. =
 
Fred
------=_NextPart_000_00A9_01BEF028.D0C545A0-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 25 03:25:11 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id DAA27562; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 03:24:53 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 03:24:53 -0700 Message-ID: <37C3AA2C.4C0043B3@telusplanet.net> Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 03:32:45 -0500 From: Don Adams Reply-To: donadams@telusplanet.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Robin - Re: Something Weird - Orgone Pressure? References: <37C2F771.688DC98@telusplanet.net> <37c53e5b.180745289@mail-hub> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"qciwi2.0.Wk6.qHymt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11584 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Robin, its a thin mattress full of high powered permanent magnets, made by Magenetico, very expesnisve.... north polarity aimed at the body, therapeutic use, placed under mattress. however its at least 10 or more inches from contact with the OR blanket Robin van Spaandonk wrote: > On Tue, 24 Aug 1999 14:50:10 -0500, Don Adams wrote: > [snip] > >On top of my bed is a heavy duty orgone blanket I made last summer, under my mattress > >is a powerful magnetic sleep pad (4000 gauss). The multimeter was set to > > I'm not familiar with magnetic sleep pads. Is it just a permanent > magnet, or does it run on AC from the grid? > > [snip] > Regards, > > Robin van Spaandonk -- *********************************************************** Harry, I'm going to let you in on a little secret. Every day, once a day, give yourself a present. Don't plan it, don't wait for it, just... let it happen. -- Special Agent Dale Cooper ... ====================================================================== Don J.S. Adams, Overseer and Registered Agent for Domhnall C G N Adams - (Corporation Sole - Lawful Entity Name) RAVE Communications 206-849-7966 Cell Phone - USA 780-998-4066 Canada http://www.intergate.bc.ca/rave alt e-mail address donjsadams@rocketmail.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 25 03:26:56 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id DAA28073; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 03:26:46 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 03:26:46 -0700 Message-ID: <37C3AAAF.9979D1C4@telusplanet.net> Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 03:34:56 -0500 From: Don Adams Reply-To: donadams@telusplanet.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Saxl Patent References: <005401bef05a$0086a6e0$374a66d1@Pfepps> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"wA8w_1.0.Ys6.cJymt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11585 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Fred, I'd love the PDF.... I'm trying to recall... can it be zipped well with pkzip? Fred Epps wrote: > Hi Folks, I was not aware until tonight that Erwin Saxl had a patent > on his electrified pendulum. This is US3357253, "Device And Method For > Measuring Gravitational And Other Forces". It is not available on the > IBM patent server. It includes test results. This has obvious > relevance to electrogravity and torsion research and should be in the > hands of these researchers. Accordingly, "for a limited time only" as > the ads say :-) I will mail the pdf file to those who want it. I'll > wait until next weekend to send the file to avoid duplication of > effort. It will probably be on a site later but this format is handy. > Please contact me this week if you want it. Fred -- *********************************************************** Harry, I'm going to let you in on a little secret. Every day, once a day, give yourself a present. Don't plan it, don't wait for it, just... let it happen. -- Special Agent Dale Cooper ... ====================================================================== Don J.S. Adams, Overseer and Registered Agent for Domhnall C G N Adams - (Corporation Sole - Lawful Entity Name) RAVE Communications 206-849-7966 Cell Phone - USA 780-998-4066 Canada http://www.intergate.bc.ca/rave alt e-mail address donjsadams@rocketmail.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 25 03:37:28 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id DAA30376; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 03:37:12 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 03:37:12 -0700 Message-ID: <37C3C68B.6C62E975@t-online.de> Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 12:33:47 +0200 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [de]C-QXW03106 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Saxl Patent References: <005401bef05a$0086a6e0$374a66d1@Pfepps> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Sender: 0285780152-0001@t-online.de From: Heinzerling_Clan@t-online.de (Juergen Heinzerling) Resent-Message-ID: <"Y_ebM1.0.XQ7.OTymt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11586 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dear Fred, please include me in your mailer for the PDF file. Many Thanks __________________________________________ Jürgen Heinzerling * Author & Investigator __________________________________________ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 25 04:53:22 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id EAA10378; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 04:53:02 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 04:53:02 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990825195214.0089d370@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> X-Sender: jwinter@cyllene.uwa.edu.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 19:52:14 +0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: John Winterflood Subject: Re: Steel wire In-Reply-To: <199908250146.VAA22454@fh105.infi.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"3a6rD.0.3Y2.Uazmt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11587 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Kyle R. Mcallister wrote: >I am in need of thin gauge steel wire. It does not have to be insulated, >but must be of 33 gauge or thinner. If anyone knows where I can get about >1200 feet of this, and how much I can expect to pay, let me know. Try harpsicord wire Thinnest available is 0.2mm (I don't know what size 33 gauge is) Goes up in steps of 0.05mm - 0.2, 0.25, 0.3, 0.35, ... Smaller sizes are ~$20 for a 250g roll. Drops to $15 for thicker sizes. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 25 06:19:46 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA01652; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 06:19:26 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 06:19:26 -0700 From: bpaddock@csonline.net (Bob Paddock) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Saxl Patent Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 08:25:47 -0400 Organization: is mostly via piles Reply-To: bpaddock@csonline.net Message-ID: References: <005401bef05a$0086a6e0$374a66d1@Pfepps> <37C3AAAF.9979D1C4@telusplanet.net> In-Reply-To: <37C3AAAF.9979D1C4@telusplanet.net> Lines: 6 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.37Beta [95/NT] Resent-Message-ID: <"AOhdF1.0.fP.Tr-mt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11588 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >I'd love the PDF.... I'm trying to recall... can it be zipped well with >pkzip? In general .PDF's already contain compression and pkzip does not help a lot, and may at times make the file larger because of the .zip header over head. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 25 06:52:00 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA10262; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 06:50:14 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 06:50:14 -0700 Message-ID: <007201beeeff$e32de6e0$2001a8c0@corpsys.com> From: "Dennis Kerrisk" To: References: <00ac01bef063$7e59de80$374a66d1@Pfepps> Subject: Re: Erwin Saxl patent Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 06:44:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006F_01BEEEC5.36A42E50" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"lNUyN3.0.EW2.MI_mt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11589 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006F_01BEEEC5.36A42E50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please Include me in your list for the patent info = Dennis ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Fred Epps=20 To: Free Energy=20 Sent: Friday, August 27, 1999 1:09 AM Subject: Erwin Saxl patent Hi Folks, =20 I was not aware until tonight that Erwin Saxl had a patent on his = electrified pendulum. This is US3357253, "Device And Method For = Measuring Gravitational And Other Forces". It is not available on the = IBM patent server. It includes test results. =20 This has obvious relevance to electrogravity and torsion research and = should be in the hands of these researchers. Accordingly, "for a = limited time only" as the ads say :-) I will mail the pdf file to those = who want it. I'll wait until next weekend to send the file to avoid = duplication of effort. It will probably be on a site later but this = format is handy. Please contact me this week if you want it.=20 =20 Fred ------=_NextPart_000_006F_01BEEEC5.36A42E50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Subject: Erwin Saxl = patent

Hi Folks,
 
I was not aware until tonight that = Erwin Saxl=20 had a patent on his electrified pendulum. This is US3357253, "Device = And=20 Method For Measuring Gravitational And Other Forces".  It is not=20 available on the IBM patent server. It includes test = results.
 
This has obvious relevance to = electrogravity=20 and torsion research and should be in the hands of these = researchers. =20 Accordingly, "for a limited time only" as the ads say :-) I will mail = the pdf=20 file to those who want it. I'll wait until next weekend to send the = file to=20 avoid duplication of effort. It will probably be on a site later but = this=20 format is handy. Please contact me this week if you want it. =
 
Fred
------=_NextPart_000_006F_01BEEEC5.36A42E50-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 25 10:38:32 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA01397; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 10:38:03 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 10:38:03 -0700 From: HLafonte@aol.com Message-ID: <4163bc33.24f583d2@aol.com> Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 13:37:22 EDT Subject: Re: Erwin Saxl patent To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Resent-Message-ID: <"ZzhaC3.0.kL.xd2nt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11590 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Fred, I would like a copy if it's not to much trouble. Thanks, Butch LaFonte From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 25 10:56:55 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA09271; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 10:56:31 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 10:56:31 -0700 X-Sender: bailey@shell14.ba.best.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 10:56:57 -0700 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com (Freengr List) From: pgb@padrak.com (Patrick Bailey) Subject: 1999 INE Conference Schedule for Aug. 27-28 in SLC, UT Resent-Message-ID: <"5SeXE3.0.mG2.Fv2nt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11591 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: The latest conference schedule for the 1999 INE Conference including speaker's names, paper titles, and paper times, has just been uploaded and placed on: http://www.padrak.com/ine/INECONF99.html PB. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 25 11:20:45 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA19075; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 11:20:27 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 11:20:27 -0700 MR-Received: by mta SOCCER; Relayed; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 14:20:05 -0400 (EDT) MR-Received: by mta GOSIP; Relayed; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 14:20:13 -0400 (EDT) Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 14:12:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Briggs 614-752-0199 Subject: RE: Erwin Saxl patent In-reply-to: <00ac01bef063$7e59de80$374a66d1@Pfepps> To: freenrg-l Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 14:20:00 -0400 (EDT) Importance: normal Priority: normal UA-content-id: E2194ZYBOKI2TT X400-MTS-identifier: [;50024152809991/4067039@ODNVMS] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 2 Resent-Message-ID: <"9Ne2X2.0.uf4.hF3nt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11592 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Fred, For some reason I am receiving mail from you today Aug 25, but it is marked as received Aug 27 ??? How are you doing this? Have you been working on time travel? Or is your PC's clock set ahead for some reason. Maybe you could send me tonights lotto numbers ;^) See below... Bill webriggs@concentric.net briggs@XLNsystems.com I N T E R O F F I C E M E M O R A N D U M Date: 27-Aug-1999 04:09am EDT From: Fred Epps fepps@fidalgo.net@INTERNET@GOSIP Dept: Tel No: TO: Free Energy ( freenrg-l@eskimo.com@INTERNET@GOSIP ) Subject: Erwin Saxl patent Hi Folks, I was not aware until tonight that Erwin Saxl (blah blah blah). Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 25 11:59:32 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA00685; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 11:59:13 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 11:59:13 -0700 X-Fidalgo-Track-MAIL-A: pm3-2-dyn14.skagit.fidalgo.net [209.102.74.29] X-Fidalgo-Track-MAIL-B: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 11:59:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <031701beef1a$722702e0$454a66d1@Pfepps> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: Erwin Saxl patent Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 09:54:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"COOJo1.0.bA.0q3nt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11593 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Bill, Whoops, Thanks Bill, I got a new machine recently and it LOOKED like the clock was set right so I never checked. > >For some reason I am receiving mail from you today Aug 25, but it is marked >as received Aug 27 ??? > >How are you doing this? Have you been working on time travel? Well yes, but I'm not supposed to talk about that.. I can only get a few hours anyway :-) > >Or is your PC's clock set ahead for some reason. > >Maybe you could send me tonights lotto numbers ;^) They don't have lotto in the future. But hang on to all your used aluminum foil :-) Fred > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 25 12:22:22 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA09764; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 12:21:59 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 12:21:59 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990825152510.00add100@inforamp.net> X-Sender: quinney@inforamp.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 15:25:10 -0700 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Quinney Subject: Re: Erwin Saxl patent In-Reply-To: <031701beef1a$722702e0$454a66d1@Pfepps> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"_RWln3.0.HO2.M94nt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11594 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 09:54 AM 08/25/99 -0700, you wrote: >>Have you been working on time travel? > >Well yes, but I'm not supposed to talk about that.. I can only get a few >hours anyway :-) Hi Fred. If it's no trouble can you beam the Saxl patent here too? Btw, if you are using the Tardis-- and you send it right now, it won't arrive for at least two days. So wait until Saturday to send it-- Ok? I then should recieve it a few minutes from now ;-) Thanks Colin Quinney From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 25 12:38:11 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA17232; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 12:37:51 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 12:37:51 -0700 X-Fidalgo-Track-MAIL-A: pm3-2-dyn14.skagit.fidalgo.net [209.102.74.29] X-Fidalgo-Track-MAIL-B: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 12:37:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <001501beef1f$d6c964e0$1d4a66d1@Pfepps> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: Erwin Saxl patent Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 10:32:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"Q59rO2.0.9D4.EO4nt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11595 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Colin, >At 09:54 AM 08/25/99 -0700, you wrote: >>>Have you been working on time travel? >> >>Well yes, but I'm not supposed to talk about that.. I can only get a few >>hours anyway :-) > >Hi Fred. If it's no trouble can you beam the Saxl patent here too? Sure. > >Btw, if you are using the Tardis-- and you send it right now, it won't >arrive for at least two days. >So wait until Saturday to send it-- Ok? I then should recieve it a few >minutes from now ;-) I already sent the patent to you before I found it. It got there tomorrow :-) Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 25 12:58:30 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA25486; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 12:58:18 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 12:58:18 -0700 From: Keasy@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 15:56:50 EDT Subject: Re: Steel wire To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 Resent-Message-ID: <"OiLIv.0.7E6.Qh4nt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11596 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: In a message dated 8/24/99 6:49:19 PM Pacific Daylight Time, stk@sunherald.infi.net writes: > > I am in need of thin gauge steel wire. It does not have to be insulated, > but must be of 33 gauge or thinner. If anyone knows where I can get about > 1200 feet of this, and how much I can expect to pay, let me know. > > Kyle R. Mcallister Kyle, If you locate a good source would you let me know. I have been looking for magnetic wire, including larger guages, for several years -- with very limited success. Thanks, Ken From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 25 13:01:51 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA26903; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 13:01:35 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 13:01:35 -0700 From: HLafonte@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 16:00:37 EDT Subject: Using reluctance to work for you! To: energy21@listbot.com CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Resent-Message-ID: <"RNSgb1.0.Ga6.Vk4nt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11597 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Please look at my web page at the last drawing. It shows a magnet in the center of the rotor. This magnet will send more of it's flux to the spoke that has the lower reluctance! The top spoke is it in this case because the spoke on the left is moving next to the arrow or taper shape I have described and has higher reluctance. The other two spokes will not get as much because of their larger air gap. The tapered area has lower attraction force and less flux, tests will tell if this will be overunity or not. I will let you know the results. Thanks, Butch LaFonte Research site 1 or http://hometown.aol.com/hlafonte/index.html From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 25 14:52:19 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA05280; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 14:51:38 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 14:51:38 -0700 MR-Received: by mta EUROPA; Relayed; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 17:51:10 -0400 (EDT) MR-Received: by mta GOSIP; Relayed; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 17:51:22 -0400 (EDT) Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 17:46:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Briggs 614-752-0199 Subject: Re: Erwin Saxl patent In-reply-to: <031701beef1a$722702e0$454a66d1@Pfepps> To: freenrg-l Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 17:51:00 -0400 (EDT) Importance: normal Priority: normal UA-content-id: E2196ZYBOPJ27W X400-MTS-identifier: [;01157152809991/4067692@ODNVMS] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 2 Resent-Message-ID: <"DxJW2.0.AI1.dL6nt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11598 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Fred, Hey if you can get a couple of hours I can turn 5K into a couple of million in the markets in a couple of weeks, how does unlimited independent funding sound? $;^) Bill webriggs@concentric.net briggs@XLNsystems.com >>How are you doing this? Have you been working on time travel? >Well yes, but I'm not supposed to talk about that.. I can only get a few >hours anyway :-) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 25 15:55:52 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA28365; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 15:55:34 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 15:55:34 -0700 Message-Id: <4.1.19990825185529.00965640@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: rymel@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 18:55:44 -0400 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rymel Subject: Re: Erwin Saxl patent In-Reply-To: <007201beeeff$e32de6e0$2001a8c0@corpsys.com> References: <00ac01bef063$7e59de80$374a66d1@Pfepps> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_154346080==_.ALT" Resent-Message-ID: <"QlLQi.0.6x6.bH7nt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11599 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: --=====================_154346080==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" i'd like this sent to me too, if you can. thanks At 06:44 AM 8/25/99 -0700, you wrote: > > Please Include me in your list for the patent info > > > Dennis > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Fred Epps >> To: Free Energy >> Sent: Friday, August 27, 1999 1:09 AM >> Subject: Erwin Saxl patent >> >> Hi Folks, >> >> I was not aware until tonight that Erwin Saxl had a patent on his >> electrified pendulum. This is US3357253, "Device And Method For Measuring >> Gravitational And Other Forces". It is not available on the IBM patent >> server. It includes test results. >> >> This has obvious relevance to electrogravity and torsion research and should >> be in the hands of these researchers. Accordingly, "for a limited time >> only" as the ads say :-) I will mail the pdf file to those who want it. I'll >> wait until next weekend to send the file to avoid duplication of effort. It >> will probably be on a site later but this format is handy. Please contact me >> this week if you want it. >> >> Fred > --=====================_154346080==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" i'd like this sent to me too, if you can. thanks

At 06:44 AM 8/25/99 -0700, you wrote:
Please Include me in your list for the patent info
 
                                      & nbsp;                                         &nbs p;          Dennis
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Fred Epps
To: Free Energy
Sent: Friday, August 27, 1999 1:09 AM
Subject: Erwin Saxl patent

Hi Folks,
 
I was not aware until tonight that Erwin Saxl had a patent on his electrified pendulum. This is US3357253, "Device And Method For Measuring Gravitational And Other Forces".  It is not available on the IBM patent server. It includes test results.
 
This has obvious relevance to electrogravity and torsion research and should be in the hands of these researchers.  Accordingly, "for a limited time only" as the ads say :-) I will mail the pdf file to those who want it. I'll wait until next weekend to send the file to avoid duplication of effort. It will probably be on a site later but this format is handy. Please contact me this week if you want it.
 
Fred


--=====================_154346080==_.ALT-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 25 21:00:49 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA10969; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 21:00:20 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 21:00:20 -0700 Message-ID: <37C4B89A.76A@xtra.co.nz> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 15:46:34 +1200 From: Robbie Rowntree Reply-To: rown@xtra.co.nz Organization: Robbie Rowntree's Amazing Magnetic Machine's X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-XTRA (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: off topic - Weird eclipse anomaly? References: <006601beef08$863a5820$33b6bfd1@Pfepps> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------2E9C144A12B3" Resent-Message-ID: <"zSt-N1.0.Ih2.JlBnt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11600 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------2E9C144A12B3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fred Epps wrote: > > >Any comments on the below? > > > >http://www.enterprisemission.com/ > > > > 8/19/99 - "Inside Source" provides Details of "Impact Events" > > 8/19/99 - Did Hoagland/Bell August 18th Comet Discussion > Trigger > >Another National Story ..? > > 8/18/99 - Something Wicked This Way Comes ... > > 8/18/99 - CNN: Millions watch century's last eclipse ( > > Yes, these people need to get a life :-) > > More seriously, at least once a month somebody now is predicting the end of > the world. Remember Shoemaker-Levy? There were a lot of people who said > that was the end. Then there is the Cassini flyby and on and on. I used to > run a new age bookstore and a more fearful, doom-ridden group of people I've > never seen. When one calamity didn't happen they would be in my store next > week with another one, week after week, year after year. After a while I got > the picture. Sorry Charlie, it ain't gonna happen. All these prophets, > Nostradamus, Cayce, Scallion, have all been wrong, wrong, wrong, over and > over again. > > There is a deep psychological need on the part of some people to expect an > apocalypse. One reason for this is that it is an "easy way out" from their > own problems and the real global problems we all face. It is a lot easier to > panic about a comet and then be relieved when it doesn't hit, than it is to > deal with the issues that are on your plate-- in other words, to get a life > :-) > > Wake up and look around, doomers, we are here for the long term. No > apocalypse and no "ascension". Are we going to make it nice or make it > miserable? > > Fred Well if these's report's have even the smallest bit of truth in them it's very disturbing and any act of suppression even more so . if these materializations of mater are real then so to is the concept of god as this is proof that his tool's of creation are real " god said let there be light and there was light "(a ring of light) this called zero, and with the light he created the one from the centre of his being to the edge of the darkness 1 then 2 then 3 connecting them end to end creating a right angle triangle and the 3 dimensions and the 12 division's that create our reality , each one having different property's and power but all constructed from 3 making 9 basic numbers . The 4th dimension of time is 4 and was constructed at right angle's to the 3 dimensions using pi the length of the circumference and the 12 division's God is the 5 dimension the torsion fields the force of life from which all is made .god is LIFE god is " KNOWLEDGE " I LOVE KNOWLEDGE KNOWLEDGE OF LIFE is good have you ever seen the sunrise in the morning and seen the plants come to life to the torsion generated by the arc of light just pre dawn the shape's of flower's also generate a torsion field this is quite weak but one flower is stimulated by another and so on. If you take a piece of wire multiple Diameter by pi x 8/12 or 8 or 80 or 800 the 0's just change power not the property , cut to length and form into a circle orientate it at right angle's to any magnet pole you will smell hydrogen the first element you can feel the force lens ed to a point on both side's an at right angle's to the the circle , you may also hear a whirl or whisper sound ,the colour and type of wire seem to also play a roll I've used an insulated copper wire the red colour mean's go actuate permanent fast , I think you will see the significance and meaning of the 5 ring's of Olympus and then realize the Greek legend's are in fact a true record of the past. The facts remain these time's have been predicted by many Civilizations in the past and let's face it we have changed the atmosphere never before in history has it been as it is now ,the politician's work for them selves they work to there own agenda that of control and power not to the will of truth and justice . 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--------------2E9C144A12B3-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 25 22:45:29 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA07521; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 22:45:00 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 22:45:00 -0700 From: RBCorn2@aol.com Message-ID: <1fafdd4.24f62e52@aol.com> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 01:44:50 EDT Subject: Re: Saxl Patent To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 Resent-Message-ID: <"GZsI9.0.Qr1.SHDnt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11601 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I am intersted, thank you! Rob From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Aug 25 23:08:00 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id XAA11147; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 23:07:48 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 23:07:48 -0700 X-BPC-Relay-Envelope-From: rvanspaa@bigpond.net.au X-BPC-Relay-Envelope-To: X-BPC-Relay-Sender-Host: CPE-24-192-27-124.vic.bigpond.net.au [24.192.27.124] X-BPC-Relay-Info: Message delivered directly. From: rvanspaa@bigpond.net.au (Robin van Spaandonk) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Robin - Re: Something Weird - Orgone Pressure? Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 06:07:15 GMT Organization: Improving Message-ID: <37c6d8d8.13802236@mail-hub> References: <37C2F771.688DC98@telusplanet.net> <37c53e5b.180745289@mail-hub> <37C3AA2C.4C0043B3@telusplanet.net> In-Reply-To: <37C3AA2C.4C0043B3@telusplanet.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id XAA11122 Resent-Message-ID: <"vqceg2.0.0k2.qcDnt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11602 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Wed, 25 Aug 1999 03:32:45 -0500, Don Adams wrote: >Hi Robin, > > >its a thin mattress full of high powered permanent magnets, made by Magenetico, very >expesnisve.... >north polarity aimed at the body, therapeutic use, placed under mattress. however its at >least 10 >or more inches from contact with the OR blanket Nevertheless, you might check to see whether the effect goes away when you remove the OR blanket, but keep the magnetic sleep pad. Or alternatively when you keep the OR blanket , but remove the sleep pad. As I understand it, you have only tested with both or neither so far. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 26 00:54:49 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id AAA28429; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 00:54:23 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 00:54:23 -0700 Message-ID: <37C4D87A.97BC229E@telusplanet.net> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 01:02:34 -0500 From: Don Adams Reply-To: donadams@telusplanet.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Robin - Re: Something Weird - Orgone Pressure? References: <37C2F771.688DC98@telusplanet.net> <37c53e5b.180745289@mail-hub> <37C3AA2C.4C0043B3@telusplanet.net> <37c6d8d8.13802236@mail-hub> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"BGGq43.0.6y6.kAFnt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11603 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Robin, heck of a good point! Doh! I should have done that... will try opnce I have time to tinker again.... cheers! :) Robin van Spaandonk wrote: > On Wed, 25 Aug 1999 03:32:45 -0500, Don Adams wrote: > > >Hi Robin, > > > > > >its a thin mattress full of high powered permanent magnets, made by Magenetico, very > >expesnisve.... > >north polarity aimed at the body, therapeutic use, placed under mattress. however its at > >least 10 > >or more inches from contact with the OR blanket > Nevertheless, you might check to see whether the effect goes away when > you remove the OR blanket, but keep the magnetic sleep pad. > Or alternatively when you keep the OR blanket , but remove the sleep > pad. > As I understand it, you have only tested with both or neither so far. > > Regards, > > Robin van Spaandonk -- *********************************************************** Harry, I'm going to let you in on a little secret. Every day, once a day, give yourself a present. Don't plan it, don't wait for it, just... let it happen. -- Special Agent Dale Cooper ... ====================================================================== Don J.S. Adams, Overseer and Registered Agent for Domhnall C G N Adams - (Corporation Sole - Lawful Entity Name) RAVE Communications 206-849-7966 Cell Phone - USA 780-998-4066 Canada http://www.intergate.bc.ca/rave alt e-mail address donjsadams@rocketmail.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 26 04:01:00 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id EAA14726; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 04:00:31 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 04:00:31 -0700 Message-ID: <37C52BE2.E81FF215@vossnet.de> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 12:58:31 +0100 From: Dieter Bauer Reply-To: WDBAUER@vossnet.de X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: de-DE MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Poynting thruster Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------E254DE22618F20C425CEC35D" Resent-Message-ID: <"i12BU3.0.xb3.FvHnt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11604 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------E254DE22618F20C425CEC35D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all ! Here some ideas how to improve the Poynting thruster of J.L. Naudin presented at http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/delany/256/html/pft02.htm . Acc. to Jean Louis the Poynting thrust E x H is responsible for the moment. This is not totally correct. It is the momentum of the field D x B which is parallel and makes the thrust if you are using simple linear materials coupling to the field. Therefore the thrust can be enhanced if a highly dielectric ceramic is used filling the airgap of the Leyden jar tube capacitance. Acc. to conventional theory (and if no rest currents pass the dielectrics) a force can arise only if a current flows into the capacitance because then a H - field can be generated. Therefore -in order to get a continous force by continously given force pulses -the current should flow more steady through the capacitance. This can be done by take television deflection electronics. In order to make sure that the direction of the thrust (an the B-field) remains constant the charge current has to flow from one side of the tube in and from the other out. This can be made sure by switches of better by high voltage diodes ! 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Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id EAA22369; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 04:38:19 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 04:38:19 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <007201beeeff$e32de6e0$2001a8c0@corpsys.com> References: Conversation <00ac01bef063$7e59de80$374a66d1@Pfepps> with last message <007201beeeff$e32de6e0$2001a8c0@corpsys.com> Priority: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 To: "FREE ENERGY" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Mike Connolly" Subject: Re: Erwin Saxl patent Date: Thu, 26 Aug 99 06:38:18 PDT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"1g5gc2.0.QT5.gSInt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11606 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com include me also for the saxl patent pdf thanks Mike Connolly Hopper Tank Technical Sales Manager GRAIN SYSTEMS, INC. P.O. BOX 20 1004 East Illinois Street Assumption, IL 62510-0020 PH: 217.226.4421 FAX: 217.226.4420 U.S. FAX: 800.800.5329 E-MAIL: mconnolly@grainsystems.com ---------- > Please Include me in your list for the patent info > > > Dennis > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Fred Epps > To: Free Energy > Sent: Friday, August 27, 1999 1:09 AM > Subject: Erwin Saxl patent From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 26 08:45:29 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id IAA23819; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 08:44:51 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 08:44:51 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 08:44:46 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty Reply-To: William Beaty To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Energy-sucking antennas In-Reply-To: <37C54A8B.AD208EDB@ihug.co.nz> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"B46-2.0.yp5.o3Mnt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11607 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Fri, 27 Aug 1999, John Berry wrote: > Forgot to mention, I find your atom absorption theory hard to swallow, > it could be right but... The good thing about this is that it's not my theory. It's from Bohren, Sutton/Spaniol, and Paul/Fischer (actual genuine scientists all.) > The main thing is you could make matter > transparent by relatively simple means of applying high frequency so > that it was all phase locked meaning that only "lucky" radiation would > have the right phase. This is well known: its how population inversion works in lasers. In theory, if you take a bright red ruby crystal and invert the population, the red color vanishes. It occurs so quickly that human's wouldn't notice it (their eyes are smarting from looking at the flashtube discharge.) I don't know if "energy sucking antennas" applies to the opacity of everyday objects though, since in that case the resonances are broad, and not extremely narrow like in lasers, sodium gas, etc. But now that you've mentioned it... this sounds vaguely plausible. If we could rely upon some sort of unsuspected nonlinear EM effect in the atoms, then perhaps if we could crank up the vibrating fields to a high enough degree, and it would alter the index of refraction. After all, the refractive index of transparent substances is really about virtual photons, and not about actual pumping of the electron shells of the atoms. Wait a minute. We could try a test. Maybe if we wind a coil around a prism and give it some sort of enormous (rotating?) EM field, the refractive power of the prism will change. Use a laser beam with a long "throw", shine it through your prism, and look for deflections of the dot. Try all sorts of different frequencies and intensities until you hit the sweet spot (if one exists, I mean.) Now instead of slightly altering its refractive index, if instead the prism seems to "go away," then I suggest you perform the next experiment on... what... maybe... could be... A BATTLESHIP? :) Or at least use a piece of metal like with Hutchison's experiments and see if THAT becomes transparent or goes away. I hadn't considered that. Tesla? Resonance? Holes in physics which for some reason the rest of science has never cared about? Well. The other shoe drops, and its not MY foot that's in it. If EM fields or vibrating vector-potential can interfere with the refractive index of matter, then it would be an easy experiment to attempt to make a huge structure "go away" as part of a camoflage attempt. You'd need a really big coil and a large number of high-power switching devices wired in parallel (banks and banks of vacuum tubes.) If other phenomena were also observed, then you'd have grounds for further research. :) That hole in physics? Maybe its not a hole. Maybe it's a bag. A bag with a whole hell of a lot of cats peering over its edge. Um. If my whole family suddenly disappears while we're on vacation, I guess you'll know where to find us. But then, ever it was thus. ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com http://www.amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 26 09:22:10 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA05552; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 09:21:56 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 09:21:56 -0700 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 18:21:43 +0200 Message-Id: <199908261621.SAA00983@ns.f.vossnet.de> X-Sender: WDBAUER@pop3.vossnet.de (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, JNaudin509@aol.com From: WDBAUER@vossnet.de (W.D. BAUER) Subject: Re: Poynting thruster Resent-Message-ID: <"taYoZ1.0.bM1.acMnt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11608 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Jean Louis and all ! You wrote: > >This is not a simple opened tube, but a cylindrical capacitor which one side >closed like a Leyden bottle, the positive pole is connected on the outer >armature in the main axis and the 0V is connected on the inner the armature >also in the main axis so as each electrode are placed face to face in the >middle. For instance if this two wires are placed on the right side of this >asymmetrical capacitor, during the transient phase the S-Flow follows the >dielectric from the left (the edge of the cap) to the right. So, there is an >asymmetrical S-Flow like the basic experiment with an asymmetrical flat >capacitor. > It is correct what you write ! Nevermind, the new proposed tube setup should work as well acc. to conventional standard electrodynamics ! If a current flows into the (coax-cable like)-tube capacitance, the magnetic field lines build up in concentic rings around the inner electrode along the axis. The developing electric field points radially from the electrode in the axis, and the "Poynting" vector or better the electromagnetic momentum p is perpendicular to both acc. to the formula p ~ D x B which is coupling to the dielectric material ! (in your case glass !) Using the diodes in the setup - the current (and therefore the B-field lines) and the E-field point always in the same direction and the force generated is pointing continously in one direction as well. In order to have a strong B- field the tube diameter should be as narrow as possible. As voltage source you can use a (DC-offsetted)- HV - sawtooth generator or even an high voltage AC-generator if this is followed by a HV-rectifier. Further possibility of amplification exists if you build up arrays. This seems to be a trivial idea but making an array of such Poynting coax tubes by chip miniaturisation is not a too bad idea, because then you do not need high voltages to get the high fields in the chip in order to produce the effect effectively. The capacitive energy can be regained partially in an oscillating circuit which uses the unit as capacitance. In this way an better efficiency from electric to mechanical energy is possible. Best regards Dieter From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 26 09:49:23 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA16230; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 09:48:44 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 09:48:44 -0700 From: UNIR2B1@aol.com Message-ID: <7bfc5999.24f6c8c1@aol.com> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 12:43:45 EDT Subject: Re: Vortex Water Separator To: brw549@iar.net CC: amlight@juno.com (Alicia), atech@ix.netcom.com (Dennis C. Lee), baker@satx.net, bodytemple@cwixmail.com (Kash Wiggins), candace1@usa.net (Candace), chief@sundial.net (michael romack), dawnames@hotmail.com, door@camasnet.com (D.O.O.R), dpnichols@iswt.com, ewall@infinite-energy.com (Ed Wall), FRANKARTINVENT@webtv.net (FRANK HOLMQUIST), hamdix@verisoft.com.tr (hamdi ucar), jdo@ucalgary.ca (Jorg D. Ostrowski), jham@iahf.com, johnhoffman@webtv.net, MKSBoysal@aol.com, powerfd@gte.net, rachelhome@bigfoot.com, richarda@icx.net, robertsj@leaders.ccl.org (Joy M. Roberts), rolfe_hauser@hotmail.com, ruizmall@webtv.net.Jose.Ruiz--Watsonville, CA@aol.com, Serwitz@aol.com, survival-ark@lyghtforce.com, transnet@teleport.com, tri-r-spheres@webtv.net, trknute@earthlink.net, werosser@hotmail.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5 for Windows Resent-Message-ID: <"4ODvL2.0.Vz3.i_Mnt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11609 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi, Bruce-- Nice to hear from you. Please apprise me on the latest developments in your excellent, Clearbroook water filters. Thanks. >Russ, >Where is a copy of a bona fide test? Believe me, I've tried to find out. I'm hoping someone else might have better luck than me in dislodging such documentation which the inventor, Pat Baker, says exists. I'm basically trying to follow up on sketchy but enticing info from a booth at a Y2K expo. On display was a $1200 'whole-house' water unit comprising 8 interconnected vortex tubes; ostensible water cleansing & energization without filters, ion exchange media, or any technological paraphernalia! The salient claims, enumerated in a tri-fold brochure, were (quoting): * Removes parasites [...types & percentages not specified] * Helps to hydrate cells * Removes unwanted minerals and deposits such as chlorine & most fluoride * Antioxidant * Less soap is needed for cleaning * Ionizes - adds negative ions good for our health * Filters - removes large particulates * ...adds energy and makes minerals colloidal ...and, quoting from single page flier: “Each stage [tube] will remove up to 95% of the suspended material in the water that is passed through it. Each stage progressively separates material from the water until a desired purity is achieved.” “The surface tension of the water can be reduced to below 20 dynes in the outlet water.” “Most [ ?? ] bacteria and water borne parasites are eliminated through separation, building of negative ion charge in the water, release of free oxygen ions in the water, raising of pH and rH factors of the water, and the release of colloidal silver in the water.” The rep, Mr. Garrett Jenson (bluestarenv@unidial.com -- 877-617-3726, 972-918-9094, fax -9694) showed me a page of “test results” that ranged from inconclusive to contradictory. Subsequently, he explained that the lab they had engaged was unable to perform certain tests properly, and that they were moving the experiments to a better lab in Dallas. Since then, I’ve heard nothing in the way of verification. Mr. Jenson NEVER answers his phone, and it takes him weeks to return phone messages, if ever. (The last time I spoke to him, he returned my call only because of a ruse I had concocted--in desperation, I had left a voice mail from "Ed McMahan’s executive secretary” informing him that he was a $50K prize winner..and he evidently believed it.) Versions or the Vortex are said to include a transparent, 40-stage, counter top unit, and an 80 stage desalination unit. >What about molecular bonding? Sodium >Chloride is not a free form particulate in sea water. The molecule is bound >to the H2O. ...Hmmm...what percentage of the sodium chloride, and depending on what water conditions? Trace Minerals Research removes “99.5%” of the sodium chloride from re-constituted Great Salt Lake water by *settling* it out. I'd think that the "bond" you mention must be weaker that gravity. >You will have to prove the desal comment to me, otherwise I'll >take the comment as unreliable information. Me, too, but I'm holding out hope that the claims are true. The implications of this design concept are just too good to dismiss. >By the way, most people can't >afford this simple technology as you put it; at well over $1000.00. The >technologies you describe here are far less in price and are proven in >application of industrial waste, not to mention the effectiveness of their >use in much cleaner open water sources. Lets not get too presumptuous in our >effort to prepare people in the proper manner, and lets not forget about >those with a need for less expensive preparation methods and equipment. We think alike; this is precisely the point I was approaching in my email to the inventor, Pat Baker (baker@satx.net). I was wondering about a *batch* unit that runs water repeatedly through a SINGLE tube, or possibly enhancing the unit’s efficiency by incorporating other methodologies (magnets, transformers, etc.) if necessary, available, or desirable. >The word purifier includes the resolute kill of 6 log or greater in >microorganisms using e-coli as a surrogate. I used the word “purify” loosely; neither Mr. Baker nor any LBA literature make that verbatim claim. >How is water regulated or pumped into a piece of equipment like this? It >will over flow if the volume is greater than the flow rate. Can it be used >continuously or is it a pour through devise. Good question, touching on an interesting feature. As I understand it (and this is what I SURMISE, amid this dearth communication), the PVC pipes are capped at both ends. The water is *forced* into the top using municipal water pressure or a minimum 10’ of gravity feed. Introducing the water eccentrically and at a minimum velocity causes a cone-shaped vacuum at the vortex' axis, despite the tendency of the pressure to fill the tube. Therefore, this is a 'continuous' AND 'pour-through' device. >You were going to give me a web site or number to source stabilized oxygen. >Did you have any success finding this yet? I’ll run across it again when I go through my catalogs; meantime, ask Sportsmen’s Guide--800-888-3006. The very best price I've seen is $8 for a 1.5 oz. bottle. >Thanks & Best Regards >Bruce Likewise, Russ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 26 12:52:44 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA15443; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 12:52:18 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 12:52:18 -0700 Message-ID: <01BEF004.D51AEE80@wst1> From: Remi Cornwall To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: Too busy to partake for a bit Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 20:51:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"TvsOn2.0.9n3.nhPnt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11610 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 26 13:04:03 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA21267; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 13:03:49 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 13:03:49 -0700 Sender: THohnsbein@csi.com Message-ID: <37C59D84.FA0BB6C6@csi.com> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 22:03:16 +0200 From: Tameer Hohnsbein X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [de] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Erwin Saxl patent References: <00ac01bef063$7e59de80$374a66d1@Pfepps> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------CB3255D6FE9ACA826E15B7BD" Resent-Message-ID: <"_pUOr1.0.CC5.bsPnt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11611 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com --------------CB3255D6FE9ACA826E15B7BD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Fred, please include me also into the list for the saxl patent pdf thanks Tameer Fred Epps schrieb: > Hi Folks, I was not aware until tonight that Erwin Saxl had a patent > on his electrified pendulum. This is US3357253, "Device And Method For > Measuring Gravitational And Other Forces". It is not available on the > IBM patent server. It includes test results. This has obvious > relevance to electrogravity and torsion research and should be in the > hands of these researchers. Accordingly, "for a limited time only" as > the ads say :-) I will mail the pdf file to those who want it. I'll > wait until next weekend to send the file to avoid duplication of > effort. It will probably be on a site later but this format is handy. > Please contact me this week if you want it. Fred --------------CB3255D6FE9ACA826E15B7BD Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Fred,

please include me also into the list for the saxl patent pdf

thanks

Tameer

Fred Epps schrieb:

 Hi Folks, I was not aware until tonight that Erwin Saxl had a patent on his electrified pendulum. This is US3357253, "Device And Method For Measuring Gravitational And Other Forces".  It is not available on the IBM patent server. It includes test results. This has obvious relevance to electrogravity and torsion research and should be in the hands of these researchers.  Accordingly, "for a limited time only" as the ads say :-) I will mail the pdf file to those who want it. I'll wait until next weekend to send the file to avoid duplication of effort. It will probably be on a site later but this format is handy. Please contact me this week if you want it. Fred
--------------CB3255D6FE9ACA826E15B7BD-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 26 13:04:17 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA21329; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 13:04:02 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 13:04:02 -0700 Sender: THohnsbein@csi.com Message-ID: <37C59D92.B87CCBB8@csi.com> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 22:03:30 +0200 From: Tameer Hohnsbein X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [de] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Something Weird - Orgone Pressure? or TMB cell ? References: <006001beefff$f8bd3140$85b6bfd1@Pfepps> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"65Kia3.0.6D5.nsPnt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11612 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Fred, Hi Don Have you noticed the design of the TMB from atglab lately (thread: sustained TMB current) ? I think the weird meter readings do relate to their experiments. I wrote to Rex from atglab that I see a connection between their design of the plates and an orac, but he told me that they haven't thought about orgon so far. The point seems to be: build a sandwich out of two plates of different metal and some organic sheet and do isolate them electrically so you are sure you dont't have any galvanic effects. Reminds me of an orac. Expose this sandwich to a magnetic field the right way and you get some energy free. I have done some small experiments with this but my meter readings are too small to distinguish between real effects and radio erivan so far. The heavy duty orgon blanket on top of the strong magnets might be the enlarged version of the TMB. Has anyone else done some experiments with this ? What kind of materials will be best ? Fred Epps schrieb: > > Hi Don, > > Thanks for the interesting report! > > Of course it is possible that there is some conventional explanation for > this but it seems unlikely in the context of the considerable body of > evidence that orgone and EM do interact. For instance take a look at the > Coil/Orac tests, both the original ones at > > http://www.borderlands.com/archives/arch/orac.htm > > and a friend of mine's recent replication at: > > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/7919/coilorac.html > > These experiments show that oracs can affect meter readings. Whether this > force is indeed electric current in the wires is still up for debate. I > recommend that experimenters try to replicate these tests to add to the body > of knowledge of em/orgone interactions. This may lead to a usable energy > source. > > Also take a look at: > > http://orgone.org/articles/ax8ernst-mag1.htm > > and > > http://www.orgone.org/unvsci/zzmag-orac1.htm > > for compass measurements of the "magnetic field" of an orac. > > It might also be said that a magnetic has an "orgone field" since Hans > Reichenbach's sensitives saw energy flows from the ends of a magnet, and > several researchers, Roy Eugene Davis and Oliver Crane being two random > examples, have described cw (S) and ccw (N) energy vortices coming from the > two ends of a magnet. > The differing healing effects from the two ends of a magnet cannot be > accounted for by the normal flux orientations of a magnet, though they are > easily explainable in terms of vortical forces. > > It has been my view for a while now that all phenomena of orgone, chi, > prana, etc. can be explained in terms of vortical electromagnetic fields, > where the E and B vectors are parallel. These configurations are more > stable than standard fields, and can also explain ball lightning, charge > clusters, plasma phenomena, etc. > This also relates to the faster than light "torsion field" area. > > If such a field emanates from an orgone "accumulator" (and I do not think it > accumulates anything but acts as a waveguide) then the presence of a magnet > might "untwist" some of this trapped em energy and make it detectible by a > meter, and available for use. > > Fred > > >On top of my bed is a heavy duty orgone blanket I made last summer, under > my mattress > >is a powerful magnetic sleep pad (4000 gauss). The multimeter was set to > the 200mV > >setting and it started fluctuating wildly... going as high as 41.70, but > averaging > >always between > >22 to 28.00 approx Is it just some sort of anomalous flaw in the > meter? Can > >anyone provide insight into this? > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 26 13:04:36 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA21414; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 13:04:07 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 13:04:07 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 13:04:02 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: Energy-sucking antennas Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"zQeRC2.0.JE5.ssPnt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11613 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Thu, 26 Aug 1999, Scudder, Henry J wrote: > Bill > If you take a wire 10 feet or so in length, and stick it up a few > feet above a ground plane, in any urban environment you can get a voltage > between the base of the antenna and ground on the order of a volt or two. Yep! I have to deal with this all of the time in electronics design (how to shield against it of course, not how to detect it.) > Try it, with an oscilloscope to look at amplitudes and waveforms. All the > radio and TV stations, as well as powerline EMF's will appear. You can stick > a diode there, and filter it with a capacitor, and get free dc power. Certainly. That is the basic story depicted by fig. 1 in the "Energy Sucking" paper. http://www.amasci.com/tesla/tesceive.html > You > could use a dc-dc converter here and get a free dc power supply. On my boat, > I have a LORAN antenna which is similar to what I just described. The > antenna has a built in preamp, which is powered from the RF, and amplifies > the 100 KHz pulses that constitute the LORAN system. With a large enough > antenna farm, such as RCA has on Long Island, you might even get enough > power to charge an electric car, but I doubt it. Ah, that means that I was unclear. At resonance, the large AC signal on the antenna can, in theory, reach out to fill the entire nearfield region surrounding the antenna. This phenomenon causes the "effective area" of the antenna to increase. This increase is limited by the Q of the resonator. Spatially, physics also limits this increase to the diameter of the nearfield region. Thought experiment: with infinite Q, and at low frequencies, the effective area of a resonator/antenna combination can become totally humongous, like hundreds of KM across, yet the physical antenna would be tiny. What does this mean for real-world systems? I don't know. We'd have to experiment (or write some Excel simulations.) > The big problem is the > effective area of the antenna, and the inverse power law of distance from a > source of power. Yep. The effect can only work for electrically small antennas. It essentially converts an electrically small antenna into a large one, but it obviously cannot do any better than increasing the size of this "invisible antenna" region and forcing it to resemble a half-wave dipole (or probably lots less than that, maybe like 1/6 wavelength at the most, maybe much less.) But think about what this means at low frequencies. It means that an active "desktop antenna" can be forced to swell in "electrical size" until it's hundreds of feet across! > Your antenna only intercepts a small portion of the sphere > around the local TV station's antenna. That's the key point. The "cancelling wave" is much larger than the antenna, and so a little bitty antenna (like a little bitty atom) can create an enlarged "effective area" and intercept huge amounts of energy. Does this sound insane? Definitely! It is the weirdest damned thing I've ever heard of, and I thought I totally understood how radios work. I'm supposedly an electronics expert (never been a Ham, though.) > When I was in the boy scouts 50 years ago, I wanted to listen to a > football game when I was on a hike. The hike was on a mountain which had a > broadcast antenna which was broadcasting the game. I hooked up a wire, a > diode, and a pair of earphones from a Ham rig, and was able to just barely > listen to the game. Free power is available, but not much. Cool! As a kid, we lived about a mile from the WENY tower in Elmira, New York. In that situation, crystal radios would still work even with no coil or capacitor. Just a diode, about a 5ft antenna wire, ground, and a hi-impedance headphone. Aha, I just saw another aspect. The coil/capacitor in a crystal radio, since it connects directly to the antenna without any active amplifiers to get in the way... behaves as an "energy sucker." Without that coil/capacitor, the headphones won't produce sound. Ah, so THAT'S why crystal radios do that. I've always wondered why the headphones in those radios don't create a jabber from *all* radio stations when you yank the coil-capacitor off of the crystal radio. It's because the resonator is NOT A FILTER. Instead it is an active antenna. It's because the resonator accumulates energy from the crystal radio's antenna, stimulates the antenna and forces it to produce some field-cancellation, behaves as an oscillator that's powered by the fields in the environment, produces the "enhanced effective area" phenomena, and "sucks energy" out of a region of space surrounding the antenna of the crystal radio. The longer the device is in tune, the bigger the energy-sucking effect grows, until it is limited by the Q-factor losses in the coil. I am stunned. I thought that at least I understood how simple crystal radios worked! ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com http://www.amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 26 13:35:55 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA03265; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 13:35:34 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 13:35:34 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 10:35:28 -1000 Subject: Re: Energy-sucking antennas From: "Rick Monteverde" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <199908261635.SM00057@[192.168.0.2]> Resent-Message-ID: <"ZEOU-.0.so.MKQnt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11614 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Bill - Maybe oscillating magnetic fields under layers of organic/metal laminates would create an orgone sucking antenna (he said while contemplating the very fringe, then ...stepping over the edge...). - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 26 14:57:30 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA01035; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 14:57:04 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 14:57:04 -0700 X-Sender: knuke@mail.lcia.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: knuke@LCIA.COM (Michael T Huffman) Subject: Re: Vortex Water Separator Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 18:03:43 -0400 Message-ID: <19990826220343062.AAA121@mail.lcia.com@lizard> Resent-Message-ID: <"eG_Vj3.0.4G.mWRnt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11615 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Ahoy! If you'll look at: http://www.aa.net/~knuke/vlink.htm you'll see that some tests have been done by various researchers. If I recall correctly, however, the vortex tube type water separators/purifiers are "pretty good" at removing a lot of impurities, but that supplemental filtering or other forms of treatment were recommended before calling the end product drinkable. In other words, it be a good way to reduce the amount of energy needed to purify water, but not eliminate the need for at least some energy expenditure or additional filtration. I have seen anything on this guy's device that you are talking about, however. I like the idea of designing a vertical tube that is in the proper shape for magnetizing water using the Fibonnacci (sp) curve math. It would be nice to calc the correct height, width, and curve for a gravity fed rainwater purifier/magnetizer. If it was made out of quartz, and had a coil wrapped around the outside of it, you might be able to generate electricity. I also wonder if the magic part of Brown's Gas isn't this kind of magnetic steam. Todd Knudson told me that the Brown's Gas held itself in some kind of matrix. Wiseman, et. al. have recently identified a certain portion of the gas that is formed in the water -between- the electrode plates as opposed to right on the plates themselves, like normal H2 and O2 evolution. Wiseman thinks that this interplate gas might be steam, but if the steam were caused by the right kind of vortex, it might be magnetized as well, which could give the right conditions for an H2 + O2 + Magnetic H2O Matrix, which may be the essence of Brown's Gas. Lotsa maybes, mights and I wonders, :) Knuke Michael T. Huffman Huffman Technology Company 1121 Dustin Drive The Villages, Florida 32159 (352)259-1276 knuke@LCIA.COM http://www.aa.net/~knuke/index.htm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 26 15:55:55 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA18219; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 15:54:53 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 15:54:53 -0700 Message-ID: <016901bef016$2dd47e40$2d5323cb@-> From: "Peter Nielsen" To: Subject: Re: Energy-sucking antennas Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 08:54:14 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"lC1pr.0.ZS4.yMSnt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11616 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >Maybe oscillating magnetic fields under layers of organic/metal laminates >would create an orgone sucking antenna (he said while contemplating the very >fringe, then ...stepping over the edge...). > >Rick Monteverde > That's how the Weltz (sp?) chi/orgone generators supposedly work. Rick Andersen has a review of these products on his site. Peter Nielsen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 26 19:23:40 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA16086; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 19:23:19 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 19:23:19 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 19:23:11 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty Reply-To: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Energy-sucking antennas In-Reply-To: <199908261635.SM00057@[192.168.0.2]> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"ZV9lj3.0.Fx3.MQVnt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11617 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Thu, 26 Aug 1999, Rick Monteverde wrote: > Bill - > > Maybe oscillating magnetic fields under layers of organic/metal laminates > would create an orgone sucking antenna (he said while contemplating the very > fringe, then ...stepping over the edge...). I like the message from John Berry about invisibility. I still am aware of the vanishing metal reported in the Farnsworth Fusor experiments, reported as part of the effect when "white gold" is heated, and reported as part of the infamous "Hutchison Effect." If atoms resonate with the Vector Potential produced by shielded coils, perhaps we can resonate all the atoms in an object and make its matter behave oddly. Maybe I'll stumble across the REAL version of the forumula for Transparent Aluminum, as opposed to Mr. Scott's version in the 2nd Star Trek movie (the one with the whales.) If I do, I'll put it on my website so all the kids can use it in their science fair projects and REALLY disturb their teachers. ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com http://www.amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 26 19:41:31 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA22096; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 19:41:14 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 19:41:14 -0700 Message-ID: <37C5E095.521F9F2E@telusplanet.net> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 19:49:25 -0500 From: Don Adams Reply-To: donadams@telusplanet.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: TMB Re: Something Weird - Orgone Pressure? or TMB cell ? References: <006001beefff$f8bd3140$85b6bfd1@Pfepps> <37C59D92.B87CCBB8@csi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"YZYpv.0.4P5.8hVnt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11618 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com fascinating Tameer.... worth looking into! Tameer Hohnsbein wrote: > Hi Fred, Hi Don > Have you noticed the design of the TMB from atglab lately (thread: sustained TMB > current) ? > I think the weird meter readings do relate to their experiments. > I wrote to Rex from atglab that I see a connection between their design of the > plates and an orac, but he told me that they haven't thought about orgon so far. > > The point seems to be: build a sandwich out of two plates of different metal and > some organic sheet and do isolate them electrically so you are sure you dont't > have > any galvanic effects. Reminds me of an orac. > Expose this sandwich to a magnetic field the right way and you get some energy > free. > > I have done some small experiments with this but my meter readings are too > small to distinguish between real effects and radio erivan so far. > > The heavy duty orgon blanket on top of the strong magnets might be the enlarged > version of the TMB. > > Has anyone else done some experiments with this ? > What kind of materials will be best ? > > Fred Epps schrieb: > > > > > Hi Don, > > > > Thanks for the interesting report! > > > > Of course it is possible that there is some conventional explanation for > > this but it seems unlikely in the context of the considerable body of > > evidence that orgone and EM do interact. For instance take a look at the > > Coil/Orac tests, both the original ones at > > > > http://www.borderlands.com/archives/arch/orac.htm > > > > and a friend of mine's recent replication at: > > > > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/7919/coilorac.html > > > > These experiments show that oracs can affect meter readings. Whether this > > force is indeed electric current in the wires is still up for debate. I > > recommend that experimenters try to replicate these tests to add to the body > > of knowledge of em/orgone interactions. This may lead to a usable energy > > source. > > > > Also take a look at: > > > > http://orgone.org/articles/ax8ernst-mag1.htm > > > > and > > > > http://www.orgone.org/unvsci/zzmag-orac1.htm > > > > for compass measurements of the "magnetic field" of an orac. > > > > It might also be said that a magnetic has an "orgone field" since Hans > > Reichenbach's sensitives saw energy flows from the ends of a magnet, and > > several researchers, Roy Eugene Davis and Oliver Crane being two random > > examples, have described cw (S) and ccw (N) energy vortices coming from the > > two ends of a magnet. > > The differing healing effects from the two ends of a magnet cannot be > > accounted for by the normal flux orientations of a magnet, though they are > > easily explainable in terms of vortical forces. > > > > It has been my view for a while now that all phenomena of orgone, chi, > > prana, etc. can be explained in terms of vortical electromagnetic fields, > > where the E and B vectors are parallel. These configurations are more > > stable than standard fields, and can also explain ball lightning, charge > > clusters, plasma phenomena, etc. > > This also relates to the faster than light "torsion field" area. > > > > If such a field emanates from an orgone "accumulator" (and I do not think it > > accumulates anything but acts as a waveguide) then the presence of a magnet > > might "untwist" some of this trapped em energy and make it detectible by a > > meter, and available for use. > > > > Fred > > > > >On top of my bed is a heavy duty orgone blanket I made last summer, under > > my mattress > > >is a powerful magnetic sleep pad (4000 gauss). The multimeter was set to > > the 200mV > > >setting and it started fluctuating wildly... going as high as 41.70, but > > averaging > > >always between > > >22 to 28.00 approx Is it just some sort of anomalous flaw in the > > meter? Can > > >anyone provide insight into this? > > > -- *********************************************************** Harry, I'm going to let you in on a little secret. Every day, once a day, give yourself a present. Don't plan it, don't wait for it, just... let it happen. -- Special Agent Dale Cooper ... ====================================================================== Don J.S. Adams, Overseer and Registered Agent for Domhnall C G N Adams - (Corporation Sole - Lawful Entity Name) RAVE Communications 206-849-7966 Cell Phone - USA 780-998-4066 Canada http://www.intergate.bc.ca/rave alt e-mail address donjsadams@rocketmail.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 26 19:44:52 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA23362; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 19:44:32 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 19:44:32 -0700 Message-Id: <199908270244.WAA19797@fh105.infi.net> From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" To: "Freenrg-L" Subject: Re: Energy-sucking antennas Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 21:39:43 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"fqLgj3.0.xi5.GkVnt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11619 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com > as opposed to Mr. Scott's version in the 2nd Star Trek movie (the one with the whales) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 4th. :) --K. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Aug 26 22:13:01 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA27259; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 22:12:40 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 22:12:40 -0700 From: HLafonte@aol.com Message-ID: <751fa039.24f77816@aol.com> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 01:11:50 EDT Subject: Site updated even more simple design To: energy21@listbot.com CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Resent-Message-ID: <"D0x8P1.0.qf6.8vXnt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11620 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Site updated with operational description and design change, animation coming soon. LaFonte Research site 1 or http://hometown.aol.com/hlafonte/index.html From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 27 02:52:28 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id CAA05813; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 02:51:43 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 02:51:43 -0700 Message-ID: <37C65FC0.91D43789@ihug.co.nz> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 21:52:01 +1200 From: John Berry X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: William Beaty , freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Energy-sucking antennas References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"7qtGK.0.jQ1.k-bnt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11621 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com What about the claim by many on this list that vacuum tubes over energized and gold heated slight transparency effects can be noted, Rick M. I believe noted about the gold becoming slightly transparent if you heat a thin layer, and more than one person noted the partial transparency of vacuum tubes when too much power was being taken. Now were getting close ;) John Berry William Beaty wrote: > On Thu, 26 Aug 1999, Rick Monteverde wrote: > > > Bill - > > > > Maybe oscillating magnetic fields under layers of organic/metal laminates > > would create an orgone sucking antenna (he said while contemplating the very > > fringe, then ...stepping over the edge...). > > I like the message from John Berry about invisibility. I still am aware > of the vanishing metal reported in the Farnsworth Fusor experiments, > reported as part of the effect when "white gold" is heated, and reported > as part of the infamous "Hutchison Effect." > > If atoms resonate with the Vector Potential produced by shielded coils, > perhaps we can resonate all the atoms in an object and make its matter > behave oddly. Maybe I'll stumble across the REAL version of the forumula > for Transparent Aluminum, as opposed to Mr. Scott's version in the 2nd > Star Trek movie (the one with the whales.) If I do, I'll put it on my > website so all the kids can use it in their science fair projects and > REALLY disturb their teachers. > > ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) > William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website > billb@eskimo.com http://www.amasci.com > EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science > Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 27 04:11:45 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id EAA15992; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 04:11:26 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 04:11:26 -0700 From: C2hoe@cs.com Message-ID: <79027174.24f7cc31@cs.com> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 07:10:41 EDT Subject: AW.: Erwin Saxl patent To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: CompuServe 2000 32-bit sub 25 Resent-Message-ID: <"8G8SP1.0.jv3.T9dnt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11622 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Fred! Please send the pdf-file to me, too. Many thanks, Claudia In einer Nachricht vom 25.08.99 12:16:14 (MEZ) - Mitteleurop. Sommerzeit schreibt fepps@fidalgo.net: << I was not aware until tonight that Erwin Saxl had a patent on his electrified pendulum. This is US3357253, "Device And Method For Measuring Gravitational And Other Forces". It is not available on the IBM patent server. It includes test results. >> From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 27 05:14:42 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id FAA25885; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 05:14:25 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 05:14:25 -0700 Message-ID: <37C682E5.C4FD8D7E@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 06:21:57 -0600 From: Henry Curtis X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Erwin Saxl patent References: <00ac01bef063$7e59de80$374a66d1@Pfepps> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------53FFB29FFA95C1B095566A63" Resent-Message-ID: <"QeDBo3.0.MK6.X4ent"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11623 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com --------------53FFB29FFA95C1B095566A63 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fred, Very much apreciate your generous attitude about sharing. This is how progress is made. Please add me to the list to receive ths Saxl patent. Thanks, Henry Curtis Fred Epps wrote: > Hi Folks, I was not aware until tonight that Erwin Saxl had a patent > on his electrified pendulum. This is US3357253, "Device And Method For > Measuring Gravitational And Other Forces". It is not available on the > IBM patent server. It includes test results. This has obvious > relevance to electrogravity and torsion research and should be in the > hands of these researchers. Accordingly, "for a limited time only" as > the ads say :-) I will mail the pdf file to those who want it. I'll > wait until next weekend to send the file to avoid duplication of > effort. It will probably be on a site later but this format is handy. > Please contact me this week if you want it. Fred --------------53FFB29FFA95C1B095566A63 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fred,
Very much apreciate your generous attitude about sharing.  This is how progress is made.  Please add me to the list to receive ths Saxl patent.

Thanks,   Henry Curtis

Fred Epps wrote:

 Hi Folks, I was not aware until tonight that Erwin Saxl had a patent on his electrified pendulum. This is US3357253, "Device And Method For Measuring Gravitational And Other Forces".  It is not available on the IBM patent server. It includes test results. This has obvious relevance to electrogravity and torsion research and should be in the hands of these researchers.  Accordingly, "for a limited time only" as the ads say :-) I will mail the pdf file to those who want it. I'll wait until next weekend to send the file to avoid duplication of effort. It will probably be on a site later but this format is handy. Please contact me this week if you want it. Fred
--------------53FFB29FFA95C1B095566A63-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 27 08:54:14 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id IAA29180; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 08:53:16 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 08:53:16 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 08:53:11 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, vortexC-l@eskimo.com Subject: Bill B's secret of free energy? YEAH?!!! well... In-Reply-To: <37C682E5.C4FD8D7E@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"5fTy33.0.j77.hHhnt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11624 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com It went BANG last night, big time. Wind a toroidial inductor (self shielding.) Build a high-Q, high voltage coil/capacitor resonator, attach it to a small "capacitive dipole" probe antenna. (Perhaps high frequency will work better.) Hold the probe antenna near the toroidial inductor with the dipole aligned in the same direction of the windings, as if the probe antenna was a small segment of a toroidial transformer secondary. Then drive the toroidial inductor with AC at the resonant frequency of the LC tuned circuit. Extract energy via a small resistor in series with the inductor of the tuned circuit. This might simply form an exotic sort of transformer. Perform measurements on the device and see if output vastly exceeds input. If I am right, the mathematics of the nearfield violates several known laws of physics, but nobody has yet seen it. Neither have I, I only feel it. If I am right, then you can extract energy from the resonator, and it will not load down the inductor. (Yet another "back-reaction-less" free energy device.) In the above, connect the one to the other and watch out, because the self-oscillation might create an enormous flash. I haven't tried this yet. I'm going to be away for awhile. If the feces hits the fan while I'm gone, I'll look for the newspaper headlines! :) I am extremely excited about this because the synchronicity storm is at an all time high right now, as if future events are "sucking history" from the past into the future at an accelerating rate by the hour. Very deeply intensely weird. I am extremely excited because I look at "energy sucking antennas", and I look at this "transformer" thingie, and I look at the Testatika device... and I say... oh. my. god. Rotating alternately-charged capactitor plates could stimulate a high-Q inductor too. The mechanical version of the above. The "energy sucking antenna" sucks energy from the ZPE instead of from the toroidial inductor. (Or perhaps I'm just insane again. The manic/depressive cycle is cycling.) ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com http://www.amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 27 13:36:34 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA01236; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:35:59 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:35:59 -0700 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:35:22 -0700 From: "Robert Decker" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: Bill B's secret of free energy? YEAH?!!! well... X-Sender-Ip: 205.230.159.47 Organization: JusticeMail (http://www.justicemail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"NZDyC.0.CJ.kQlnt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11625 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Bill! Strange your idea, although I was invited to visit ATGROUP's lab (Now SCGrp) and was shown some circuits similar to your idea's. One was a 4-coil system with two perm magnets in two of the coils. They were pulling power from the AC environmental fields. T hen they showed me a big like 4" copper rectangle (loop) and circuits connected to it which showed a response of 99.2khz when a human came into the area, it was very pronounced signal as viewed on a scope. They were able (I only saw a bit of this) to caus e an effect on the subject when tuning this contraption. You talk about strange and energy sucking, they seem to be able to suck on humans. Okay maybe I did not quite understand, but what I saw was very wierd indeed. -- On Fri, 27 Aug 1999 08:53:11 William Beaty wrote: > >It went BANG last night, big time. > Visit FindLaw at http://www.findlaw.com for free case law, web guide, and legal news, and get your free @JusticeMail.com address at http://www.justicemail.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Aug 27 15:13:57 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA30140; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 15:13:38 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 15:13:38 -0700 Message-ID: <00a701bef0d9$3e3235c0$4d5dadd1@default> From: "Jim Shaffer, Jr." To: , Subject: Re: Bill B's secret of free energy? YEAH?!!! well... Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 18:12:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"krtLv1.0.qM7.Ismnt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11626 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >I am extremely excited about this because the synchronicity storm is at an >all time high right now, as if future events are "sucking history" from >the past into the future at an accelerating rate by the hour. Very deeply >intensely weird. The Dalai Lama recently performed the Kalachakra, or "Wheel of Time", Ritual, which is supposed to accelerate mankind's evolution. It was originally performed every 20 years, but his present incarnation is concerned about his religion's continued existence and has performed it much more often. -- Williamsport Area Computer Club Susquehanna Valley Amateur Astronomers Personal Home Page From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 28 00:58:08 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id AAA15570; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 00:57:42 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 00:57:42 -0700 From: "Harvey Norris" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Bill B's secret of free energy? YEAH?!!! well... Message-Id: <935827029.8078.333@excite.com> Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 00:57:09 PDT X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 207.220.167.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"iSoSg.0.Ap3.rPvnt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11627 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Fri, 27 Aug 1999 08:53:11 -0700 (PDT), William Beaty wrote: > > It went BANG last night, big time. > > Wind a toroidial inductor (self shielding.) > > Build a high-Q, high voltage coil/capacitor resonator, attach it to a > small "capacitive dipole" probe antenna. (Perhaps high frequency will > work better.) > > Hold the probe antenna near the toroidial inductor with the dipole aligned > in the same direction of the windings, as if the probe antenna was a small > segment of a toroidial transformer secondary. Then drive the toroidial > inductor with AC at the resonant frequency of the LC tuned circuit. > Extract energy via a small resistor in series with the inductor of the > tuned circuit. Yes, but this is not exactly what the commonsense tells the free energy researcher. Essentially the problem becomes how to interface a load with a resonant process. Let me illustrate this by attempting an explanation with the method I chose, which was to use huge coils of 56 Henry and resonate them at 60 hz wall supply. The load I used was florescent bulbs. Now when the C of .12 umf is used in series with the L of 56 a 15 fold rise of voltage occurs across both the inductor and capacitor, BUT IN OPPOSITE DIRECTIONS,this is the meaning of the statement that the voltages across the inductor and capacitor are 180 degrees out of phase in series resonance. So having turned 120 into 120(15)=1800 volts by the resonant rise of voltage, it makes sense to place the load in PARALLEL to either L or C so that this voltage can act similar to that from an output transformer. What is found is that this load actually in turn diminishes the resonant rise of voltage in the first place, which makes for a catch 22 proposition in trying to harness electrical high voltages present in series resonance. This is an example of a resonant choke circuit were the voltage presented to the load is directly dependent on the loads resistance from this first prototype of an "impedance transformer" we are considering. Because of this exotic quality as you mention it this power source can do some amazing things. If two bulbs in series are tried across the inductor,(or capacitor) about twice the voltage then appears across both elements, with three bulbs about 3 fold the voltage appears and so on within the parameters of the maximum 1800 volts available as the series resonant rise of voltage. What actually is happening is that one bulb takes the system out of resonance to the furthest degree because of the rerouting of amperage that occurs on the component it is in parallel to.(Remember Kirchoffs nodal amperage rules, the amperage that enters a junction is balanced by that leaving). Since the resistance of the coil is 1000 ohms and the condition of a 30 watt gas discharge is approximated as a much lower resistance than that of 1000 ohms the current takes the path of least resistance, THAT PATH BEING a path of rerouted amperage that no longer predominately uses the inductor as its pathway. In fact the new pathway then becomes predominately a capacitive reactance, with a much lower amperage conduction characteristic, essentially that amperage through the bulb is choked off by its action of choking or shutting off the resonance that caused the amperage and voltage rise to begin with! Now one can glimpse why this is called a catch-22 proposition, but is better further understood by what I like to call the Maintenance Man Question. Given this 1000 ohm coil plugged into the wall I note that it only consumes 5 ma. I ask the maintenance man what will happen if I connect this in series with a capacitor that also consumes 5 ma by itself. It does not consume half the amperage in those conditions, nor double, but 15 times the amperage. Okay thats fine because we know that the inductive reactance has now cancelled the capacitive reactance, leaving a condition of zero impedance where the amperage can approach that given by Ohms law of resistance. But what makes this happen? What has happened is that the voltage within the circuit has risen to the point to make the higher amperage conduction at Ohms law possible! In the meantime the magnetic field appears to loose its inertial quality because the magnetic field appears to instanteously appear from its impressed voltage, with little time lag between cause and effect as is noted by the DC effect of inductance. Again this is because the amperage "effect" is now closely in phase with the voltage "cause" where voltage and amperage are in phase at series resonance. So now it should be understood that the voltage rise is intricably connected and associated with the amperage rise, take one away and the other follows. Thus in the folly that follows by placing a load in parallel to one of the elements in series resonance the amount of amperage rerouted around that element, then in turn shuts down the available amount of voltage rise. By making the load as a higher resistance this correspondingly diverts less amperage in comparison out of the resonant rise of voltage process, enabling the voltage to the load to appear as a higher value. Now I realize your idea of placing the load in series with the inductor is different from the above, in that case the q of the coil is reduced and also the voltage rise which is q dependent, but I think essentially everyone who wrestles with the idea of harnessing electrical resonance is presented with the following problem; WHERE SCHEMATICALLY SHOULD THE LOAD BE PLACED? Should it be placed in parallel to one of the voltage rises previously described, obviously not because of the choking paradox that was described. If the loads were placed across both the inductive and capacitive voltage rises this then makes a new path of connection between them which means none of the current will conduct in the resonance, it should conduct through the newly formed short, although I have not tried this for obvious reasons. So now one looks for another solution in another possibility, that brings a snide comment from me. The term electrical resonance is bandied about in such a way as if it only means one thing as a generalization, when in actuality the concept is two ENTIRELY DIFFERENT PROPOSITIONS. Sometimes posts are made and the readers are left wondering whether the author is refering to a parallel or series resonant circuit, as if the two were synonomous! Nothing could be further from the truth. Parallel resonance is antiresonance. This is the often quoted "tank circuit". Because amperage is now limited to the amount that can be inputed at its maximum impedance, the actual amperage existing INSIDE the circuit can exceed that of its input. This is refered in the old literature as resonant rise of amperage. In the first case a greater than input voltage is available inside the circuit with those voltages going against each other or 180 degrees out of phase:with the resultant summation appearing as the input voltage @ series res. In the second example the inductive and capacitive currents travel in opposite directions on two parallel paths,WITH THE RESULTANT SUMMATION BEING EXPRESSED AS THE INPUT CURRENT, which can be expressed also to show current into a node = current out. Now the free energy guy thinks maybe he can use a tank circuit instead, but the same problem of load location occurs where if it is on the inductive branch it DISTURBS THE BALANCE OF REACTIVE CURRENTS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE EFFECT,almost exactly similar to the inverse idea of placing the load on the capacitive branch which should have ALMOST the same adverse effect.(I am exploring this almost condition where impedance does not closely approximate inductive reactance) One can see from these arguments that the load should be placed equally on both reactances without creating a new short of current conduction which takes amperage out around the loop of resonant conduction. The solution I employed as a result of actual thinking and many bar elbows was to take two inductors in series, matched with two capacitors in series, and both of these branches in parallel. I then twisted the bottom half of the schematic into a figure 8 path. This makes a new conduction pathway shared by both the inductive and capacitive branches and is the logical place to put a load, without in turn reducing the resonance that the former methods entailed. Most unusual in this application is that the reactive currents in opposition combine to unity along this pathway since each reactive path is used by both in opposite directions. What becomes more intriguing is that an arc gap can be actuated at the load exactly according to the historical methods employed to produce a high frequency effect, but the facts as I see them tell me that all the other methods found in HISTORY show an oscillation in and out of resonance as employed in the tesla coil primary and analogous to the previous discussion of placing a load that causes a reactive current to predominate and shut down a resonance. A tesla coil has NEVER been constructed with two primaries using this method of oscillation as I have described in tesla archives of May 99 at tesla@pupman.com as BRAG schematic. Bill Wysock wrote me a letter saying he has already done this, and I replied that he does not understand because his model 12 approaches the same idea but does not incorporate a separate capacitor for each 180 phasing, and the placement of the arc gap is schematically different. What has been consistantly misunderstood is one simple fact, there is a substantial difference beween causing an oscillation going in and out of resonance, and causing an oscillation that FLUCTUATES BETWEEN SERIES AND PARALLEL RESONANCES.Using the 60 hz resonant coils to produce a high frequency effect according to historical method produces a 5000 hz signal correlating to the quarter wavelength of 9 miles of wire and massive EM signature, but the method I am talking about produces a relatively clean high frequency of 166,000 hz WITHOUT a significant radio bleed-off. The coils have much more freedom to vibrate at their natural resonant frequency. To go FURTHER... Perhaps this thread should continue as Harvey N's secret of free energy since I am getting long winded, but what I have previously discussed as placement of a load is not in itself readily harnessed as an over unity process. It is that idea IN CONJUNCTION WITH ANOTHER IDEA, that consists of my definition of correct placement of a load in a resonant process. I have called that the spatial harnessing of resonance but have not yet been able to deliver proof of this. After a great deal of enquiree I am now procuring the neon tubes that may show this effect. > This might simply form an exotic sort of transformer. Perform > measurements on the device and see if output vastly exceeds input. In the preceeding system I have called a Binary Resonant System,and others have called an impedance transformer, the output does not exceed the input. However in one experiment this was indicated to be the case by allowing the capacity to be concentrated in a small area in the magnetic field interaction of the two coils. This experiment has not been repeated due to time and the damaging effects of components, but resembles what occurs as Bill calls a self oscillation producing an enormous flash. In this case it occured as arcing similar to that of a tesla primary, but without the means for the amperage to appear in the circuit. > If I am right, the mathematics of the nearfield violates several known > laws of physics, but nobody has yet seen it. Neither have I, I only feel > it. If I am right, then you can extract energy from the resonator, and it > will not load down the inductor. (Yet another "back-reaction-less" free > energy device.) > > In the above, connect the one to the other and watch out, because the > self-oscillation might create an enormous flash. > > I haven't tried this yet. I'm going to be away for awhile. If the feces > hits the fan while I'm gone, I'll look for the newspaper headlines! :) > > I am extremely excited about this because the synchronicity storm is at an > all time high right now, as if future events are "sucking history" from > the past into the future at an accelerating rate by the hour. Very deeply > intensely weird. > Perhaps Truth is the very most weird thing of all. HDN ________________________________________________________________ Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 28 02:14:26 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id CAA23617; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 02:14:06 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 02:14:06 -0700 Message-ID: <000501bef134$64e56060$1f8eadd1@default> From: "Peter Fred" To: "Freenrg-L" Subject: Flat sheet vs semicylindrical configuration Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 05:04:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0000_01BEF112.DA540F80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"g5Snm1.0.rm5.UXwnt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11628 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01BEF112.DA540F80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable David I took a flat sheet of copper and illuminated it or heated it from above = at about 9 cm with 2250 watts and observed its weight drop. It dropped = a little then went back to it original weight. Then I bent the sheet so = it formed a half cylinder. When I illuminated it with 2250 watts with = hot plate heating elements placed at the center of half cylinder, its = weight dropped a little better than noise or 0.004 N or 0.054 % of the = sheet's total weight. =20 The other day I got much more clearer results with a hemisphere. When I = illuminated a colander with a blackened aluminum sheet on the inside = with 2250 watts for 330 seconds, I got a 0.026 N drop or a weight loss = of 1.96 %. Then I illuminated a circular aluminum sheet with the same = area with 2250 watts for 350 seconds with the heating elements about 1/2 = inch from the circular sheet. I got a 0.648 % drop in weight or a 0.010 = N drop. The aluminum sheet was a little bit thicker than the aluminum = of the colander. Its initial weight or downward force was 1.5 N and the = colander's initial downward force was 1.3 N. =20 Also I found another source where it looks at though a UFO is kicking = out heat from its spherical shaped bottom. In David Darlington's Area 51 p.73 he quotes Bob Lazar saying after he = saw a "UFO" perform at Area 51=20 "It was sitting on the ground...The disc sat on the ground for a period = of time, then the bottom of it glowed blue and it began to hiss, like = high voltage does on a round sphere. It's my impression that they're = round and have no sharp edges is to contain the voltage....It lifted off = the ground, quietly except for that little hiss in the background, and = stopped as soon as it reached about twenty or thirty feet. It shifted = to the left, shifted over to the right, and sat back down. I mean it = doesn't sound like much, but it was incredibly impressive, = just--mind-boggling. It's just magic!"=20 Peter Fred http://ww4.choice.net/~pbfred/ =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01BEF112.DA540F80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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I took a flat sheet of copper and = illuminated it or heated it from above at about 9 cm with 2250 watts and observed = its weight drop.=A0 It dropped a = little then went back to it original weight.=A0 = Then I bent the sheet so it formed a half cylinder.=A0 When I illuminated it with 2250 watts with hot plate heating = elements placed at the center of half cylinder, its weight dropped a little = better than noise or 0.004 N or 0.054 % of the sheet's total weight.=A0

 

The other day I got much more clearer = results with a hemisphere.=A0 When I = illuminated a colander with a blackened aluminum sheet on the inside with 2250 watts = for 330 seconds, I got a 0.026 N drop or a weight loss of 1.96 %.=A0 Then I illuminated a circular = aluminum sheet with the same area with 2250 watts for 350 seconds with the heating = elements about 1/2 inch from the circular sheet. I got a 0.648 % drop in weight = or a 0.010 N drop.=A0 The aluminum = sheet was a little bit thicker than the aluminum of the colander.=A0 Its initial weight or downward force was 1.5 N and the = colander's initial downward force was 1.3 N.=A0 =

 

 

Also I found another source where it = looks at though a UFO is kicking out heat from its spherical shaped = bottom.

In David Darlington's Area 51 p.73 he quotes Bob Lazar = saying after he saw a "UFO" perform at Area 51 =

 

"It was = sitting on the ground=85The disc sat on the ground for a period of time, then the = bottom of it glowed blue and it began to hiss, like high voltage does on a round sphere.=A0 It's my impression = that they're round and have no sharp edges is to contain the voltage=85.It lifted off = the ground, quietly except for that little hiss in the=A0 background, and stopped as soon as it reached about = twenty or thirty feet.=A0 It shifted to = the left, shifted over to the right, and sat back down.=A0 I mean it doesn't sound like much, but it was incredibly = impressive, just--mind-boggling.=A0 It's = just magic!"

 

 

Peter = Fred

 

 

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------=_NextPart_000_0000_01BEF112.DA540F80-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 28 02:15:27 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id CAA23766; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 02:15:19 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 02:15:19 -0700 From: "Harvey Norris" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Rowlandnet censorship Message-Id: <935831684.21634.572@excite.com> Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 02:14:44 PDT X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 207.220.167.42 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"3A9Lo.0.Cp5.cYwnt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11629 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com I am quite amused that for the second time my comments have been removed from Rowland Net BBS discussion list. I am even more amused that when I mentioned this in a post on Rowlandnet discussion board where my entrees were not submitted that they then appeared. Their policy of course allows this, any posting not responded to in ten days can be deleted. Of course it makes one wonder when some of discussion entrees have last been posted to months ago, and they have not been responded to since, but yet still exist. Nevertheless the 4 Phase Electrical System entries I posted there no longer exist. I submited this as a scientific questioning involved with the fact that a 500 ohm resistive path is not chosen over a 400,000 ohm impedance path when both paths can be taken exactly analogous to a parallel circuit. Once bitten, twice shy, I will no longer waste my time there. Part of these entrees were submitted to freenrg as Elfrad Group Response also contained at my message board: The Harnessing of Electrical Resonance http://www.insidetheweb.com/mbs.cgi/mb124201 My last post at that RowlandNet location hinted at the importance of an electrical system that can immediately remove the voltage to a water sample for purposes of water fractioning as advocated by Meyer and Puharich at higher frequencies. I guess I should rewrite that thing and post it to freenrg around 9/7/99. I dont think this list has any censorship. Sincerly HDN ________________________________________________________________ Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 28 03:45:52 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id DAA32116; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 03:45:38 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 03:45:38 -0700 X-Sender: leoguitar@pop3.vossnet.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: ATGROUP Site down ? Cc: atg0317@wt.net, atgroup@atgroup.org Date: Sat, 28 Aug 99 11:42:18 +0100 Message-Id: <99082811421862800@odin.dreams.de> Resent-Message-ID: <"MQ5kL.0.jr7.Htxnt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11630 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi, I am back from my vacations and I can not access the atgroup site at: www.atgroup.org Anybody else able to connect ? Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann WEB-Site: www.harti.com www.ccard.net email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 28 04:39:58 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id EAA04935; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 04:39:43 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 04:39:43 -0700 From: "Harvey Norris" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: 60 hz resonant coils Message-Id: <935840379.8632.364@excite.com> Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 04:39:39 PDT X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 207.220.167.28 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"mIl8H3.0.0D1._fynt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11631 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com If some one asks me why I believe free energy is possible I take them to the room and point out those 60 hz resonant coils. A description follows: approximately 80 lbs of no 23 gauge copper consisting of ~ 20,000 winds on a five inch diameter plastic core, consisting of a wire length of ~ 9 miles and having a resistance of 1000 ohms. Z= 20,000 ohms L= 56 Henry However when I plug the coil into the 120v,60hz wall socket it acts as a quantity of 20,000 ohms due to the impedance of the coil. This is the additional resistive effect of the inertial qualities of the magnetic field being asked to reverse its polarity 120 times per second and is actually known as the quantity inductive reactance. In the case of this coil the inductive reactance comprises over 99.8% of the total derived impedance quantity noted as Z. So now when 5 ma conducts through the coil by simply plugging it into the wall these rms values are already inherent in the meter readings that deliver this average amperage reading. Any arguments about whether this amperage is in phase with its impressed voltage and whether it consists of reactive power that is somehow exempt from the rules and any other construed nonsense about phase angles and mathematical true power input are totally irrevalent to the actual amperage reading conduction observed by the meter. That actual amperage reading is ALREADY the RESULT of those phase angle considerations that allow the available amperage to conduct. In any case the true power input should be identical to that spent on heating losses expressed as I^2R wattage expenditure. Now this coil of 1000 ohms will conduct about 75 ma when in 60 hz resonance. This is an energy expenditure of about 15 watts as I^2R heating loss. Watts are expressed as joules/sec of work or energy flow. If we then calculate the energy stored in kinetic and potential as magnetic energy in 1/2LI^2 where L=56 Henry and electric potential in 1/2CV^2 where C=.12umf we find that this transfer of energy occurs between fields 120 times per second, which then expressed as amount of joules transfer per second to be about 45 watts, or 3 times the input. HOWEVER THE METHODS TO EXTRACT THAT 45 WATTS SCHEMATICALLY CANNOT BE DESCRIBED AS A SIMPLE CONDITION OF WHERE THE WIRES GO AND CONNECTED TO WHAT.The C that is resonating could exist in the SPACE of L at right angles and the third angle output could tap into the 45 watt energy transfer without diminishing the potential contained in the electric field. In line with this thinking I am ordering neon tubes to fill the inner area of the coils where the predominant magnetic field exists. These tubes will form a Hubbard like assembly in the form of a cylindrical capacitor. The exciting impulse to ionize the gas will not come from the end electrodes, but will go straight through the glass from the cylindrical axial electric field plates connected to the V in 1/2CV^2. The actual end electrodes will then serve as the output in this sort of reverse application of the normal function of a neon tube. Hope this application works as a lorentz converter! HDN ________________________________________________________________ Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 28 06:37:41 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA16507; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 06:37:27 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 06:37:27 -0700 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 06:36:54 -0700 From: "Robert Decker" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: ATGROUP Site down ? X-Sender-Ip: 205.230.159.47 Organization: JusticeMail (http://www.justicemail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"bH0IO3.0.l14.NO-nt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11632 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com They had a name change because of some name conflict with another business with same name and the owner let their DBA expire. I don't think the site is back up as yet, but unless they change names again before doing so I think they will be called either ' Stiffler Consulting Group' or 'Nu-Energy Systems Group' If you know the owner try contacting him for additional info. Bob. -- On Sat, 28 Aug 99 11:42:18 Stefan Hartmann wrote: >Hi, >I am back from my vacations and I can not access the >atgroup site at: > >www.atgroup.org > >Anybody else able to connect ? > >Regards, Stefan. >-- >Hartmann Multimedia Service >Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann >WEB-Site: www.harti.com www.ccard.net >email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net > > > Visit FindLaw at http://www.findlaw.com for free case law, web guide, and legal news, and get your free @JusticeMail.com address at http://www.justicemail.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 28 08:29:23 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id IAA00112; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 08:29:11 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 08:29:11 -0700 Message-ID: <37C8004E.367F5FCC@ihug.co.nz> Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 03:29:19 +1200 From: John Berry X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Bill B's secret of free energy? YEAH?!!! well... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"tV60s1.0.c1.610ot"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11633 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Now I really need to get in contact with them! Robert Decker wrote: > Bill! > > Strange your idea, although I was invited to visit ATGROUP's lab (Now SCGrp) and was shown some circuits similar to your idea's. One was a 4-coil system with two perm magnets in two of the coils. They were pulling power from the AC environmental fields. Then they showed me a big like 4" copper rectangle (loop) and circuits connected to it which showed a response of 99.2khz when a human came into the area, it was very pronounced signal as viewed on a scope. They were able (I only saw a bit of this) to ca use an effect on the subject when tuning this contraption. You talk about strange and energy sucking, they seem to be able to suck on humans. > > Okay maybe I did not quite understand, but what I saw was very wierd indeed. > -- > > On Fri, 27 Aug 1999 08:53:11 William Beaty wrote: > > > >It went BANG last night, big time. > > > > Visit FindLaw at http://www.findlaw.com for free case law, web guide, and legal news, and get your free @JusticeMail.com address at http://www.justicemail.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 28 10:36:38 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA23186; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 10:36:05 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 10:36:05 -0700 From: bpaddock@csonline.net (Bob Paddock) Newsgroups: list.freenrg1 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Power Beaming Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 13:35:05 -0400 Organization: is mostly via piles Reply-To: bpaddock@csonline.net Message-ID: Lines: 10 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.37Beta [95/NT] Resent-Message-ID: <"7VVGf3.0.6g5.4u1ot"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11634 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com http://home.doe.gov/lasers.htm has some Interesting Stuff on wireless power transmission. -- For information on any of the following check out my WEB site at: http://www.biogate.com/bpaddock/ Chemical Free Air Conditioning/No CFC's, Chronic Pain Relief, Echofone, Electromedicine, Electronics, Explore!, Free Energy, Full Disclosure, KeelyNet, Matric Limited, Neurophone, Oil City PA, Philadelphia Experiment. http://www.uCOS-II.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 28 10:39:06 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA23981; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 10:38:50 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 10:38:50 -0700 Message-ID: <37C6BD99.77DB99F3@mediacity.com> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 09:32:40 -0700 From: laurie Reply-To: laurieh@mediacity.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com, vortexc-l@eskimo.com, billb@eskimo.com, jdecker@keelynet.com Subject: Toroidial transformers with fractional turns?!!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"alkLt1.0.cs5.fw1ot"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11635 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com ON THE POSSIBILITY THAT KNOWN PHENOMENA REGARDING THE ELECTROMAGNETIC NEARFIELD CONTAINS A BLATANT VIOLATION OF FUNDAMENTAL LAWS OF PHYSICS William J. Beaty 8/28/99 I've always had a niggling suspicion that toroidial transformers are far more weird than anyone suspects. If we wind ourselves a toroidial (donut) inductor and plug it into a 120VAC wall plug, the device in theory won't draw any flow of energy. However, if we then wind a 1-turn secondary "coil" around the donut (through its hole) and short out this "coil", a huge amperage appears in the wire, the coil grows red hot, and many hundreds of watts are drawn from the donut inductor and from the wall outlet. Why is this weird? After all, it's just the way that normal transformers work. But think for a moment. In donut-inductors, the magnetic field-lines from each turn of wire extend over to the area enclosed by the next turn of wire, and as a result the magnetic field connects in a circle, and no field extends past the surface of the donut. Yet the secondary coil is entirely *outside* the donut, and therefor the magnetic flux never touches it. The question arises: how does the magnetic field inside the donut- inductor create a current in the secondary coil if no magnetic flux touches the secondary coil? Electronics students always ask this question. The answer in the past has always been that it is simply a law of physics. My suspicion that the above effect might hide profound mysteries is greatly amplified by the fact that mainstream scientists aren't intrigued by this effect. They essentially have unilaterally DECLARED IT TO BE UNINTERESTING. This is a strange position for a scientist to take. If something is strange and not quite explicable, wouldn't it stimulate their curiousity? Instead it does the opposite! I see that this is very common in modern science. It is a sort of hidden sickness that penetrates every facet of science, and twists it into something that is entirely different than what scientists believe it to be. The same "sickess" once caused scientists to declare "electricity" to be entirely separate from "magnetism" until a high school science teacher accidentally placed a compass next to a wire during a classroom demonstration, thus proving that the earlier declaration was a fantasy based upon arrogance rather than a learned conclusion based upon experimentation. Up until recently the same "sickness" caused contemporary physicists to dismiss the vector potential in Maxwell's equations as being an unimportant, mathematical abstraction and this situation held for many decades until Bohm/Anarohov showed that Vector Potential had an important and unmistakable impact upon the everyday world. The field around a donut-inductor acts as if it cannot be shielded. If we try to place a metal shield between the primary and secondary of the donut-transformer, this simply creates another "shorted secondary winding" on the transformer. The shield becomes hot and draws an additional energy- flow from the wall plug, but as long as the resistance of the windings is low, it won't stop our original secondary from drawing its own, independant energy flow. The "voltage circles" surrounding a donut-transformer are apparantly unshieldable. This might be "weird", but unless we can take the phenomena apart and analyze it, we can make no headway. For example, can we remove the transformer's secondary coil to a great distance from the primary? Yes, but only if we make the entire donut-inductor larger, since the secondary must still thread through the "hole in the donut". If we do this, we have not "taken it apart" at all, because it still remains as a functioning transformer. If only we could unwind the secondary partially, and see what happens when we induce voltage in half of a turn, rather than in a single complete turn or in an integer number of complete turns. If our transformer only has a half-turn as its secondary coil, won't it behave quite differently than a conventional transformer? But unfortunately a fractional-turn in a transformer winding is impossible. Also I've always wondered if the energy-flow between primary and secondary of a transformer is instantaneous or if it obeys the speed of light. It seems as if there's no way to test this, because if we make the transformer bigger, we must lower the operating frequency so that the secondary coil stays within the "nearfield" region. We also must stick to a low frequency, otherwise the whole transformer will start acting like a conventional radio antenna, and we'll no longer be analyzing a transformer, we'll be analyzing a radio transmitter which broadcasts to a distant "loop antenna" (the secondary coil becomes this "loop antenna.") This problem remained stuck in my mind since high school. Why did I not just drop it and get on with things, like all the rest of science apparantly has done? I did not, because I take intuition seriously. My intuition has led me into many facinating places. Conventional science seems publicly to regard the intuition as irrational and therefor nonexistant (this though many scientists *individually* take their intuitions seriously). My intuition led me to do the opposite of modern science: assume that "inexplicable phenomena" are fiercely important, rather than to assume that they are embarassing mistakes and crackpottery which must be disparaged. My intuition led me to take the "crackpot physics underground" extremely seriously, to follow BBSs like Decker's KEELYNET for years, and to provide several internet forums and a large website dedicated to the "dark underbelly" of science which most scientists prefer would just go away. My intuition led me to study at the feet of Tesla, rather than regarding him as some sort of crackpot/fraud who claimed to have really invented radio, and who thought that he could transmit megawatts across thousands of miles without wires. The key to the mystery of the toroidial transformer is in the Nikola Tesla concepts. If you *know* that Tesla was a crackpot, you might as well just stop reading right now, because the rest of my paper is just a waste of reading time. Tesla's energy-transfer system was based on huge tesla coils, but it was also based upon a strange little device: a tiny coil/capacitor device which can reach out and intercept vast flows of energy even though it is far, far smaller than the wavelength of the radio waves which Tesla was broadcasting. (See ENERGY-SUCKING ANTENNAS for more info: http://www.amasci.com/tesla/tesceive.html). These energy-receiver devices are not unknown to modern science. They explain how atoms can intercept light waves even though atoms are thousands of times too small to behave as efficient radio antennas. (See the papers by Chris Bohren Spaniol/Sutton, and others in the references of tesceive.html.) There's something weird about these papers. They imply that atoms are surrounded by a vibrating "nearfield EM" field. In my experience such a field is not taken seriously by modern physics. I've never heard about it in all my reading. After all, atoms supposedly emit and absorb photon-particles, they don't spew out EM fields when no photons are being emitted or absorbed. Yet if these fields are real, they should connect with many other phenomena in physics. These "energy sucking" fields appear to be a hole in physics which *may* lead to amazing new realms of research. They do lead to one thing: an interesting device which may simply be an exotic sort of transformer, and which might let us do some interesting investigations of the physics of the toroidial inductor, but which also might be a way to directly tap into the infamous Zero Point Energy field of empty space and light lightbulbs, run motors, etc. Build yourself a capacitive-mode "energy sucking antenna" (the kind that has an electrically-small dipole antenna connected to an RLC resonant circuit of extremely high Q-factor). Place it near a toroidial inductor. Power the inductor with AC (perhaps the frequency should be high?) The frequency of the RLC tuned circuit must match the frequency of the AC drive of the donut-inductor. Align the short dipole antenna so that it acts like a sort of "fractional turn" surrounding the toroidial inductor. Measure the energy flow going into the donut and coming out of the tuned circuit. Move the dipole antenna so it is no longer within the nearfield region surrounding the donut-inductor. I suspect that the output wattage will not match the input, and that excess energy comes out of the device. Obviously this blatently violates Conservation of Energy. Not only that, it also violates the spirit of Newton's laws themselves, because the donut inductor "acts upon" the tuned circuit, yet the tuned circuit cannot return the favor. A tail-chasing effect would arise, somewhat like the electrical equivalent of an "Inertialess spaceship drive", and energy would apparantly come from nowhere. According to conventional transformer theory, the fields outside the donut- coil should drive the short dipole, the dipole should store energy in the tuned circuit, this oscillating energy should build up continuously, and an intense e-field should appear on the dipole antenna. Because of the "Energy-sucking Antenna" effect, this e-field should grab quite a large hunk of energy-flow from the donut inductor. If my suspicions are right, then the donut inductor won't be affected: it won't supply energy to the tuned circuit. This is flat out impossible. But as the saying goes, "If it happens, it must be possible." :) If there is an energy gain, then probably we can wind a small pickup-coil onto the inductor of the tuned circuit, then connect the terminals of the donut-coil to this small pickup-coil instead of to the high-frequency generator. This will form a so-called "stand-alone closed-loop free energy device." Without some sort of governor mechnism such as some back- to-back Zener diodes connected across the tuned circuit, the ZPE energy would build up within fractions of a second and cause a piece of the wire to melt (or perhaps the whole device would vanish in an immense flash and a clould of green copper-oxide smoke.) Shades of Robert Heinlein! Didn't he write a couple of stories about just this device? I think one was called "Brown Shoes". There was also another one about a shipload of soldiers who landed on a planet where this device had been discovered, and the soldiers immediately muntiny against their "evil" commander and go off into the country to live as they want, independant of any need for fuel and the political networks which control people by keeping them dependant upon that fuel. The above "donut inductor" effect has not been tested. The WHY the hell am I rambling on like this? It's all just speculation! Yes. I haven't even done any MATH on this device. Why am I so excited? Simple: its my intuition. My intuition screams maniacally that this is the key that unlocks EVERYTHING. It says that the "hole in physics" can tear open, unleashing a vast torrent which will change the world overnight. It says the things that all the crackpots are famous for saying: Einstein was wrong, Quantum Mechanics is not what it seems, electromagnetic fields have existence independant of photons, fluid vortices (by electromagnetic analogy) provide energy and allow airplanes to fly without motors, Tesla was right, and modern physics is on a dead-end path which resulted from a misstep that occured many, many years ago. But crackpots have ALWAYS been saying this! Not me. I have not been saying it, I've only been listening to the people who do, and I've been hoping that one of them would give some actual evidence to support their ideas. I only started "spouting the crackpot line" after seeing the missing puzzle-piece snap into place and the entire "mechanism" of the "puzzle" suddenly light up and start to function. On the off chance that this device is REAL, I decided to add a bunch of peripheral stuff to this paper. Should the device actually work, this paper will become famous, and I can use it for "advertizing". Paranoid delusions of grandeaur? Perhaps! :) But remember, I'm still saying that the effect is untested, that only my intuition is going wild about it, and I acknowledge that my rational western side does not know what to make of all of this. My Western Self it sitting back and being greatly entertained. :) If the above device works, then the next step is to... start my own "religion!" :) I've always wanted one of my own to play with. :) If this device is real, it shows that the several odd philosophical techniques which I've been using to run my life are entirely valid, and ANYONE could have made this discovery if they had decided to stop strutting around like ego-enflated fools and instead just sit down and concentrate on learning how to take the "blinders" off and actually gaze past themselves and see the rest of the world. Perhaps the world is safe from change and I am just crazy. I have news for you. *ALL* crazy people are visionaries. They see strange things which no one else can see. We in the western world despize our visionaries. They are embarassing, but much worse, they often tell us things which we simply cannot stand to hear. We declare them to be incompetent, and the visionaries themselves come to believe the same, which effectively silences their embarassing voices. If someone calls me crazy, I thank them for the compliment. Uh oh, I think I myself hear the men in white coats at the door! :) Better send this out before I realize that I'm just insane, that none of this could possibly be real, and that I need to get a bit more sleep and to stop damaging my credibibility in front of thousands of strangers by talking excitedly about shamefully crazy stuff. And then delete it instead of sending it. Who's going to be the first to test this? Not me, I'm on vacation and don't have access to any equipment. Only a fool would waste time testing such a crazy idea, so I'll probably have to volunteer to be that fool. Either it will work or it will not (or perhaps it is real, but as with "Cold Fusion," the first few experiments will be flawed and the phenomenon will not express itself until far more work is done.) If nobody makes any fantastic discoveries before I get back, I'll start messing with it. My "self" doesn't have any good reason to judge that this phenomeon is real. It's only my subconscious which is almost going off the deep end with excited yammering. If somebody DOES take this seriously and start playing with it, and if there is nothing unexpected hidden here, then I'll just have to blame them for taking seriously the ravings of crackpots on the internet. And then pull a "Rosanne Rosannadanna" and say... "never mind." ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com http://www.amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 28 14:33:04 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA01090; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 14:32:49 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 14:32:49 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.16.19990828142716.2217e1a2@earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (16) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 14:27:16 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: Toroidial transformers with fractional turns?!!! In-Reply-To: <37C6BD99.77DB99F3@mediacity.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"FYDOr.0.xG.1M5ot"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11637 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Bill and all, At 09:32 AM 8/27/99 -0700, you wrote: >ON THE POSSIBILITY THAT KNOWN PHENOMENA REGARDING THE >ELECTROMAGNETIC NEARFIELD CONTAINS A BLATANT VIOLATION OF >FUNDAMENTAL LAWS OF PHYSICS > >William J. Beaty 8/28/99 > >I've always had a niggling suspicion that toroidial transformers are >far more weird than anyone suspects. If we wind ourselves a toroidial >(donut) inductor and plug it into a 120VAC wall plug, the device in >theory won't draw any flow of energy. However, if we then wind a 1-turn > >secondary "coil" around the donut (through its hole) and short out this >"coil", a huge amperage appears in the wire, the coil grows red hot, >and many hundreds of watts are drawn from the donut inductor and from >the wall outlet. > >Why is this weird? After all, it's just the way that normal >transformers >work. But think for a moment. In donut-inductors, the magnetic >field-lines >from each turn of wire extend over to the area enclosed by the next turn > >of wire, and as a result the magnetic field connects in a circle, and no > >field extends past the surface of the donut. Yet the secondary coil is > >entirely *outside* the donut, and therefor the magnetic flux never >touches >it. The question arises: how does the magnetic field inside the donut- >inductor create a current in the secondary coil if no magnetic flux >touches >the secondary coil? Electronics students always ask this question. I think this true also for a normal transformer too. A "core" type core, as opposed to an "EI shell" type looks like a square toroid. The "EI" type looks like 2 side by side. Of course the windings usually are not wound to cover the whole core. >The field around a donut-inductor acts as if it cannot be shielded. If >we try to place a metal shield between the primary and secondary of the >donut-transformer, this simply creates another "shorted secondary >winding" >on the transformer. The shield becomes hot and draws an additional >energy- >flow from the wall plug, but as long as the resistance of the windings >is >low, it won't stop our original secondary from drawing its own, >independant >energy flow. The "voltage circles" surrounding a donut-transformer are >apparantly unshieldable. Yes one can shield them magnetically as well. This leads me to believe the vector potential A is involved, like in the Aharonov-Bohm effect. I posted some tests about a year ago. For the electrical shielding I used coax. cable. > >This might be "weird", but unless we can take the phenomena apart and >analyze >it, we can make no headway. For example, can we remove the >transformer's >secondary coil to a great distance from the primary? Yes, but only if we >make >the entire donut-inductor larger, since the secondary must still thread >through >the "hole in the donut". If we do this, we have not "taken it apart" at >all, >because it still remains as a functioning transformer. Yes the Faraday law says the induced voltage is from the flux linkage- it says "what" will be observed but not "how". >If only we could > >unwind the secondary partially, and see what happens when we induce >voltage in >half of a turn, rather than in a single complete turn or in an integer >number >of complete turns. If our transformer only has a half-turn as its >secondary >coil, won't it behave quite differently than a conventional >transformer? But >unfortunately a fractional-turn in a transformer winding is impossible. I haven't figured out any coil circuit yet that isn't, in total, a complete number of turns. If you wind enough pri. turns, you can have an air core 60Hz. transformer, (Hello Harvey) or at least a gap where the secondary is located. Thus you can wind a "1/2" turn and move it and/or the leads around to see what happens. So far, it seems to be consistant with the "flux linkage" rule. > >Also I've always wondered if the energy-flow between primary and >secondary >of a transformer is instantaneous or if it obeys the speed of light. Maybe with 2 secondaries, one spaced apart, one could measure the transit time between them. I would do this if I had suitable equipment. Seeing the effect of a 4cm path at 60Hz. may require more stability than the AC line frequency as well... It > >seems as if there's no way to test this, because if we make the >transformer >bigger, we must lower the operating frequency so that the secondary coil >stays >within the "nearfield" region. >This problem remained stuck in my mind since high school. Why did I not >just >drop it and get on with things, like all the rest of science apparantly >has >done? I did not, because I take intuition seriously. My intuition has >led >me into many facinating places. Conventional science seems publicly to >regard >the intuition as irrational and therefor nonexistant (this though many >scientists *individually* take their intuitions seriously). These questions were actively ignored in my case. Trying to figure out the Poynting vector to the secondary does not work because there is no B or H field, for example... >There's something weird about these papers. They imply that atoms are >surrounded by a vibrating "nearfield EM" field. In my experience such >a field is not taken seriously by modern physics. I've never heard >about it in all my reading. After all, atoms supposedly emit and absorb > >photon-particles, they don't spew out EM fields when no photons are >being emitted or absorbed. Yet if these fields are real, they should >connect with many other phenomena in physics. These "energy sucking" >fields appear to be a hole in physics which *may* lead to amazing new >realms of research. > >They do lead to one thing: an interesting device which may simply be >an exotic sort of transformer, and which might let us do some >interesting >investigations of the physics of the toroidial inductor, but which also >might be a way to directly tap into the infamous Zero Point Energy field > >of empty space and light lightbulbs, run motors, etc. >Build yourself a capacitive-mode "energy sucking antenna" (the kind that > >has an electrically-small dipole antenna connected to an RLC resonant >circuit of extremely high Q-factor). Place it near a toroidial >inductor. >Power the inductor with AC (perhaps the frequency should be high?) >The frequency of the RLC tuned circuit must match the frequency of the >AC drive of the donut-inductor. Align the short dipole antenna so that >it acts like a sort of "fractional turn" surrounding the toroidial >inductor. >Measure the energy flow going into the donut and coming out of the tuned > >circuit. Move the dipole antenna so it is no longer within the >nearfield >region surrounding the donut-inductor. I suspect that the output >wattage >will not match the input, and that excess energy comes out of the >device. > >The above "donut inductor" effect has not been tested. The WHY the hell >am I >rambling on like this? Because... it is really strange! Didn't the Sutton "black-hole" antenna just take energy from a larger volume of space? No excess energy _just_ in that. How much different is the test of a regen. receiver with direct short wire antenna picking up the RF from a transmitter tank circuit? (Some early receivers used air core toroidal coils) -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 28 14:33:05 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA01050; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 14:32:44 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 14:32:44 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.16.19990828134650.2217d574@earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (16) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 13:46:50 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: 60 hz resonant coils In-Reply-To: <935840379.8632.364@excite.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"KLBY1.0.JG.yL5ot"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11636 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Harvey and all, At 04:39 AM 8/28/99 PDT, Harvey wrote: >So now when 5 ma conducts through the coil by simply plugging it into the >wall these rms values are already inherent in the meter readings that >deliver this average amperage reading. Any arguments about whether this >amperage is in phase with its impressed voltage and whether it consists of >reactive power that is somehow exempt from the rules and any other construed >nonsense about phase angles and mathematical true power input are totally >irrevalent to the actual amperage reading conduction observed by the meter. You have lost me here, Harvey. RMS and phase angle are two different concepts. To get a power number, say 0.6 watts, you are already giving an average mumber, an average of the instantaneous powers which are just V*I (both instantaneous). If you are not doing this, but are just using rms values for voltage and current, then you need to take into account the phase angles, which is a method to get the same power calculations when using sinusoidal waveforms for V and I. >That actual amperage reading is ALREADY the RESULT of those phase angle >considerations that allow the available amperage to conduct. 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X-Priority: 2 (High) References: <97cc9f08.24f37694@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"6UtXc.0.uV3.4S6ot"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11638 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com More infos on Methernitha and their Testatika machine. Now they even have their own WEB site ! http://members.it.tripod.de/~testatikmachine/docs.htm Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. In. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 28 21:17:44 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA14423; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 21:17:30 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 21:17:30 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990829135027.008a5720@main.murray.net.au> X-Sender: egel@main.murray.net.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 13:50:27 +0900 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: GEOFF EGEL Subject: Re: Something Weird - Orgone Pressure? or TMB cell ? In-Reply-To: <37C59D92.B87CCBB8@csi.com> References: <006001beefff$f8bd3140$85b6bfd1@Pfepps> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"5fLXf2.0.GX3.QHBot"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11639 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 10:03 PM 26/08/99 +0200, you wrote: > I have been reading the posting on this subject with some interest. I seem to recall the swiss Testatika also used a combination of different metal and a magnetic field. At the time it was performed the Linden experiement produced 700 volts( I think ) but no one that I know of was able to perform it again . are we geting an idea now of how it was done with the experiements of the TMN More detials at my website. of the swiss testakica and the linden experiment at my solaris aris and brightsparks websites as below for thos that are interested. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------- Solaris searching for natures energy sources. Our main site http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135 my postal address as follows I am also on the lookout for something new free energy on the alternative energy scene can you help me out? anything you send my end up on this group of webpages for other to share as well. Geoff Egel 18 Sturt Street Loxton 5333 South Australia Australia ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------- Energy 21 website now resides at http://www.FortuneCity.com/greenfield/bp/16/index.html Bright Sparks website. http://www2.murray.net.au/users/egel/ NEW site where the unzipped contents of encyclopedia of free energy are on display. for those that have MACS or non IBM or clone machines. Alternator site at http://encyclopedia.educator.webjump.com/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Aug 28 21:40:38 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA18487; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 21:40:29 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 21:40:29 -0700 From: Keasy@aol.com Message-ID: <6e2fd1f2.24fa1390@aol.com> Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 00:39:44 EDT Subject: Re: Toroidial transformers with fractional turns?!!! To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 Resent-Message-ID: <"pUKeh3.0.mW4.ycBot"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11640 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com In a message dated 8/28/99 10:40:25 AM Pacific Daylight Time, laurieh@mediacity.com writes: > Power the inductor with AC (perhaps the frequency should be high?) > The frequency of the RLC tuned circuit must match the frequency of the > AC drive of the donut-inductor. Align the short dipole antenna so that > it acts like a sort of "fractional turn" surrounding the toroidial > inductor. > Measure the energy flow going into the donut and coming out of the tuned > > circuit. Move the dipole antenna so it is no longer within the > nearfield > region surrounding the donut-inductor. I suspect that the output > wattage > will not match the input, and that excess energy comes out of the > device. > > Obviously this blatently violates Conservation of Energy. Not only > that, > it also violates the spirit of Newton's laws themselves, because the > donut > inductor "acts upon" the tuned circuit, yet the tuned circuit cannot > return > the favor. While I certainly agree the toroid and its fields are not well understood, conventional theory does try to explain what is going on. The inductor "acts upon" the tuned circuit, and the tuned circuit acts upon the toroid by means of the displacement current which completes the partial turn loop through the toroid. This displacement current/rest of loop current generates a magnetic field in the toroid which opposes the toroid field (assuming the toroid is transferring power to the tuned circuit). Ken From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 29 02:15:55 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id CAA27192; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 02:15:35 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 02:15:35 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 02:15:33 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Toroidial transformers with fractional turns?!!! In-Reply-To: <6e2fd1f2.24fa1390@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"qj9xf1.0.ne6.teFot"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11641 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Sun, 29 Aug 1999 Keasy@aol.com wrote: > While I certainly agree the toroid and its fields are not well understood, > conventional theory does try to explain what is going on. The inductor > "acts upon" the tuned circuit, and the tuned circuit acts upon the toroid by > means of the displacement current which completes the partial turn loop > through the toroid. This displacement current/rest of loop current generates > a magnetic field in the toroid which opposes the toroid field (assuming the > toroid is transferring power to the tuned circuit). If so, then it will just be a strange sort of transformer (and the coupling would be far better if I used a loop antenna rather than a self-shielding toroid) All that will have been accomplished is to allow variable coupling to a toroidial inductor. If I build it we shall see. ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com http://www.amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 29 03:17:28 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id DAA00337; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 03:17:13 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 03:17:13 -0700 Message-ID: <37C908AE.A16D92A@harti.com> Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 12:17:18 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: leoguitar@vossnet.de Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Marinov Motor ?? Ball bearing motor Just a heat engine ! References: <3.0.6.16.19990818093412.2397f904@earthlink.net> <37BB149A.D4C940B0@technologist.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"VK6_e2.0.05.fYGot"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11642 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com It is just a heat engine ! It heats one point of the ball, which makes contact with the bearing and so it acts like a heat engine. This is also, why it works on AC and/or DC ! It just depends on the 2 temperatures of the steel ball inside the bearing to produce a torque due to heat forces onto the metal. Probably has no big efficiency. Regards, Stefan. Brian Snyder schrieb: > > > Dave Dameron Writes: > > > Recently I saw a form of marinov motor which intrigued me and showed the > > video to > > all at our meeting. It was a stainless steel rod 1/4" in diameter 14" long > > in > > ball bearings. power was applied to the bearings and the rod spun up to over > > 1000 rpm! DC or AC made no difference. Direction did'nt conform to motor > > laws. > > Tim Raney of our group, built the toy and verified operation. It is best > > to run > > this puppy under water as the rod and bearings get super hot. The bearings > > don't > > last very long either. New systems will self start. Grungy, pitted or burned > > bearing need a small torque to start. This bastard is happy running in either > > direction. Again, AC or DC > > > > Do you have any info or plans so we can make this "toy"?? Looks like > an interesting project. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. In. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 29 07:16:22 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id HAA28551; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 07:16:03 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 07:16:03 -0700 From: bpaddock@csonline.net (Bob Paddock) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Energy-sucking antennas Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 09:58:05 -0400 Organization: is mostly via piles Reply-To: bpaddock@csonline.net Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Lines: 123 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.37Beta [95/NT] Resent-Message-ID: <"v0Uac2.0._z6.Y2Kot"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11643 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >The good thing about this is that it's not my theory. It's from >Bohren, Sutton/Spaniol, and Paul/Fischer (actual genuine scientists all.) Here are the items that I've found related to Stutton et.al.'s "Black Hole" Antenna. Any one know of others?: U.S. Patent #, 5,296,866 "Active Antenna", NASA GSC-13449. http://patent.womplex.ibm.com/details?patent_number=5296866 "A Broadband Active Antenna for ELF Magnetic Fields" by John F. Sutton and G. Craig Spaniol" in Physics Essays March 1993, Vol 6, #1, 1993. Abstract: "A unique broadband ULF-ELF-magnetic antenna is described. Active circuitry is employed to introduce a negative impedance that combines with the wire resistance, the distributed winding capacitance, and the inductance of a physically small search coil to produce an antenna with a very small impedance. The result is increased search coil current and a enhanced dipole-plane wave field interaction, which greatly increases the effective area of the antenna, independent of frequency - a 'black hole' antenna." The conclusion of the paper reads: "We began our work with the known plane-wave electromagnetic field-resonant dipole electromagnetic field interaction which can explain equally well the enhanced effective areas of photon-atom, photo-particle, and radio wave-tuned dipole interactions. We have extended this principle by showing theoretically and demonstrating experimentally that active circuitry can be used to introduce negative impedances into an antenna circuit to reduce this same interaction over a broad band of frequencies. The interaction has been applied to enhance the sensitivity of physically small untuned search coils, used in the study of the ionosphere via the Earth-ionosphere cavity resonances, nominally in the 1 Hz - 100 Hz range. The active antenna frequency response has been measured and confirmed to be free for resonances and uniform, +/- 2dB, over a nearly four decade range of frequencies from 3.5 Hz to 25 kHz. They site "C.F.Bohren and D.R.Huffman, "Absorption and Scattering of Light by Small Particles" (Wiley, 1983) saying it show Poynting vector field diagrams of the field interactions. Ref #22 of the paper. Sir A. Fleming "On Atoms of Action, Electricity, and Light" in "The London, Edinburgh, and Bublin Phiosophical Magazine and Journal of Science" October 1932. Phil.Mag.S.7.Vo..14.No.92.Oct 1932 It shows "diagram representing the nature of the electromagnetic field near a receiving aerial in wireless telegraphy". Sucking like distortion field. "Light absorption by a dipole" H. Paul and R. Fischer. Sov.Phys.Usp.26(10), Oct. 1983. American Institute of Physics. Abstract: "In semiclassical radiation theory, the electric dipole moment induced on an atom by a strong incident field, absorbs much more energy, per sec, than is flowing through its geometrical cross section. This means, the atom has the capability to 'suck up' [that is what it says here, I'm not make it up] electromagnetic energy from a spatial region that is by far larger than its own volume. An intuitive understanding of the effect is provided by studying, in the framework of classical electrodynamics, the energy flow in the total field made up by superposition of the incident wave and the field that is generated by the dipole also in the absorptive case." Some one wrote a note on the cover pages that reads "The German explanation is that it 'sucks'". Related work by Sutton et.al. "Improved Analog Synchronous Demodulator: Output ripple is suppressed without an output filter" GSC-13179, NASA Tech Briefs, March 1992. Uses dual op-amp and 4053 CMOS switches. "Digital Synchronous Demodulator: The digital version offers greater speed, precision, and reliability." GSC-13273. "Broadband Active-Antenna: The effective area of a search coil is increased." GSC-13309. Single op-amp, search coil and a few passive components. This paper appears to be the patent application before the lawyers screwed it all up. I don't have a copy of this one, but it seems to have great weight in GSC-13309 "How Can a Particle Absorb More Than the Light Incidence on It?" by Craig F. Bohren, Am. J. Phys. 51, No. 4, P.323, April 1983. >From GSC-13309: "With a tuned antenna there is always a tuned circuit including the antenna, where a capacitive reactancs is effectively cancelled by an inductive reactance which leads, in turn, to a large circulating current in the resonant circuit, which results in the production of a field. This field, in turn, interacts with the incoming field." A lot of these are related to the Howland Voltage to Current converter to do regeneration. Related by but not by Sutton et.al. is "Compact Electric and Magnetic-Field Sensor: A search coil and an electric-field dipole are collocated" NPO-19034. by D.Winterhalter and E.Smith. NASA Tech Brief Vol. 18, No. 10, Item #124 October 1994. -- For information on any of the following check out my WEB site at: http://www.biogate.com/bpaddock/ Chemical Free Air Conditioning/No CFC's, Chronic Pain Relief, Echofone, Electromedicine, Electronics, Explore!, Free Energy, Full Disclosure, KeelyNet, Matric Limited, Neurophone, Oil City PA, Philadelphia Experiment. http://www.uCOS-II.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 29 11:03:57 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA14165; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 11:03:28 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 11:03:28 -0700 Message-Id: <199908291806.PAA25429@bigbox.plug-in.com.br> From: "Marcelo Puhl" Organization: Computec Ltda To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 14:30:43 -3 Subject: Re: Toroidial transformers with fractional turns?!!! Reply-to: mark@plug-in.com.br Priority: normal References: <6e2fd1f2.24fa1390@aol.com> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12) Resent-Message-ID: <"kagef1.0.AT3.lNNot"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11644 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com > On Sun, 29 Aug 1999 Keasy@aol.com wrote: > > > While I certainly agree the toroid and its fields are not well understood, > > conventional theory does try to explain what is going on. The inductor "acts > > upon" the tuned circuit, and the tuned circuit acts upon the toroid by means > > of the displacement current which completes the partial turn loop through the > > toroid. This displacement current/rest of loop current generates a magnetic > > field in the toroid which opposes the toroid field (assuming the toroid is > > transferring power to the tuned circuit). > > If so, then it will just be a strange sort of transformer (and the > coupling would be far better if I used a loop antenna rather than a > self-shielding toroid) All that will have been accomplished is to allow > variable coupling to a toroidial inductor. > > If I build it we shall see. > > > ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) > William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website > billb@eskimo.com http://www.amasci.com > EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science > Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L > If you put a capacitor inside the toroid, wouldn't it be charged ? Marcelo Puhl mark@plug-in.com.br ------------------------------------------- Get paid to surf the WEB ! Ganhe dinheiro enquanto surfa na Internet ! http://alladvantage.com/go.asp?refid=DTJ608 ------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 29 12:24:09 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA29921; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 12:23:54 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 12:23:54 -0700 X-Fidalgo-Track-MAIL-A: pm3-3-dyn14.skagit.fidalgo.net [209.191.182.77] X-Fidalgo-Track-MAIL-B: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 12:23:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <05ad01bef253$4e5ede00$5ab6bfd1@Pfepps> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: Energy-sucking antennas Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 12:09:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"nCtJ03.0.QJ7.9ZOot"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11645 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Rick, >Bill - > >Maybe oscillating magnetic fields under layers of organic/metal laminates >would create an orgone sucking antenna (he said while contemplating the very >fringe, then ...stepping over the edge...). Sounds like a good idea to me, which means you are in BIG trouble :-) Fred+ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 29 13:06:57 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA08588; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 13:06:38 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 13:06:38 -0700 From: HLafonte@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 16:06:04 EDT Subject: Do most o/u devices require a catalyst? To: energy21@listbot.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Resent-Message-ID: <"tngxA3.0.462.DBPot"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11646 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com If you will look at the drawing on my web site you will see a device that has a four spoke rotor with a permanent magnet in the center. The rotor spokes turn counter clockwise and one spoke at a time turns past a tapered part of the stator. If you make this 90 degree section an electro-magnet and turn it on after a spoke moves into this 90 degree section, then you have a simple electric motor for that 90 degrees of rotation. This is not a big deal, except that if you look at the rotor you will notice that when the path of the flux going to this tapered iron section of the rotor is no longer in the attraction mode because it is repelled by the electro-magnet being turned on in the repulsion mode, a very interesting thing happens. The flux takes a path of less resistance and goes to the spoke that is close to the stator surface. This spoke now helps rotate the rotor till it moves into the taper area and redirects it's flux to the next spoke in the same fashion. What you have here is a simple electric motor getting help from the center located permanent magnet. This would appear to me to be overunity. The energy input into the electro-magnet acts as a catalyst to release the magnetic energy in the permanent magnet. Take a look and see for yourself. Thanks, Butch LaFonte LaFonte Research site 1 or http://hometown.aol.com/hlafonte/index.html From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 29 13:53:17 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA10891; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 13:32:57 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 13:32:57 -0700 From: HLafonte@aol.com Message-ID: <14ce8079.24faf2a3@aol.com> Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 16:31:31 EDT Subject: Site back up To: energy21@listbot.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Resent-Message-ID: <"PDPqM.0.4g2.uZPot"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11647 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Site is back up for the time being Thanks, Butch From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 29 13:55:24 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA11309; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 13:38:36 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 13:38:36 -0700 From: HLafonte@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 16:26:52 EDT Subject: Site Down! To: energy21@listbot.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Resent-Message-ID: <"LAHLq3.0.Wm2.AfPot"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11648 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sorry guys but my site just went down. If my kids didn't like AOL so much I would get another ISP. Thanks, Butch Calling AOL now From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 29 14:21:58 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA19038; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 14:21:36 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 14:21:36 -0700 From: "Harvey Norris" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: 60 hz resonant coils Message-Id: <935961692.5334.867@excite.com> Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 14:21:32 PDT X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 207.220.167.56 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"jsItW.0.Mf4.WHQot"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11649 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Sat, 28 Aug 1999 13:46:50, Dave Dameron wrote: > Hi Harvey and all, > At 04:39 AM 8/28/99 PDT, Harvey wrote: > > >So now when 5 ma conducts through the coil by simply plugging it into the > >wall these rms values are already inherent in the meter readings that > >deliver this average amperage reading. Any arguments about whether this > >amperage is in phase with its impressed voltage and whether it consists of > >reactive power that is somehow exempt from the rules and any other construed > >nonsense about phase angles and mathematical true power input are totally > >irrevalent to the actual amperage reading conduction observed by the meter. > > You have lost me here, Harvey. RMS and phase angle are two different concepts. > To get a power number, say 0.6 watts, you are already giving an average > mumber, > an average of the instantaneous powers which are just V*I (both > instantaneous). If you are not doing this, but are just using rms values > for voltage and current, then you need to take into account the phase > angles, which is a method to get the same power calculations when using > sinusoidal waveforms for V and I. Okay, I may be confused, let us go back to the original example of 5 ma, or .005 A, conduction on the 20,000 ohm impedance of the 56 henry coil at 60 hz. That amount of small conduction is the result of it being predominantly an inductive circuit and therefore the current is about 90 degrees out of phase with the voltage. The resultant 5 ma is the rms value of amperage read by the meter. Input rms value of 120 volts times rms value of .005 A = .6 watts In that case, I am just using rms values as you say. I could add capacitance to the circuit and the amperage reading would increase because of the reduced phase angle. Then I would have an increased amperage and the power input would simply be the observed rms voltages and amperages. In these cases my understanding is that the actual phase angle information is not needed to find the power input, only the two rms values. > >That actual amperage reading is ALREADY the RESULT of those phase angle > >considerations that allow the available amperage to conduct. In any case > >the true power input should be identical to that spent on heating losses > >expressed as I^2R wattage expenditure. As I can see by my above quote, I WAS COMPLETELY WRONG. The power input of .6 watts is determined by using voltage times amperge meter readings. Yet the I^2*R heat loss on the 1000 ohm coil is only .025 watts. I guess I was confused! But what gets confusing still is the fact that at series resonance VI as input approaches that of the heating loss I^2*R. If all the energy input is going towards heat loss, where does the energy in oscillation in elctric and magnetic fields as 1/2L^2I=1/2CV^2 come from? Perhaps this has to do with the fact no matter what value of C (normally.12uf) I use, the best amperage consumption I can get is around 80% of the value that ohms law would allow. If this is considered from the standpoint of phase angles, this amount of amperage consumption would probably be interpreted as being many degrees away from 0, yet it seems the closest I can get to 60 hz resonance. Someone suggested that since the closeness of the 20,000 winds of 23 gauge wire gives the coil an internal capacitance that takes away from its ability to resonate, and also the fact that it is wound on a plastic core may be a factor. Placing ferrite in the core and trying to resonate presents an even further reduction in ability to resonate at 60 hz according to conduction at ohms law amperage. My question is this, is the conduction at ohms law a realistic parameter for determining whether a zero degree phase angle in series resonance exists? Isnt it quite possible that other factors could prevent this from happening, since the 80% amperage figure is what is obtained in this example where X(L)=X(C). Sincerly HDN ________________________________________________________________ Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 29 14:32:05 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA24552; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 14:31:52 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 14:31:52 -0700 Message-ID: <002c01bef266$18cb1160$345323cb@-> From: "Peter Nielsen" To: Subject: Re: Bill B's secret of free energy? YEAH?!!! well... Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 07:26:28 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"-jYs_3.0.R_5.7RQot"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11650 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >Then they showed me a big like 4" copper rectangle (loop) and circuits connected to it which showed a response of 99.2khz when a human came into the area, it was very pronounced signal as viewed on a scope What did they say was the biological significance of the 99.2KHz? Peter Nielsen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 29 14:38:11 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA26889; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 14:37:46 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 14:37:46 -0700 From: "Harvey Norris" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Energy-sucking antennas Message-Id: <935962663.21972.239@excite.com> Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 14:37:43 PDT X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 207.220.167.56 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"a2QHd1.0.1a6.fWQot"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11651 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Sun, 29 Aug 1999 09:58:05 -0400, Bob Paddock wrote: > >The good thing about this is that it's not my theory. It's from > >Bohren, Sutton/Spaniol, and Paul/Fischer (actual genuine scientists all.) > > > Here are the items that I've found related to Stutton > et.al.'s "Black Hole" Antenna. Any one know of others?: > > > U.S. Patent #, 5,296,866 "Active Antenna", NASA GSC-13449. > http://patent.womplex.ibm.com/details?patent_number=5296866 Great patent Bob! some exerpts; The antennas commonly employed for sensing ELF magnetic fields consists of search coils of several thousand turns of copper wire wound around high permeability, low loss cores, such as ferrite rods. To enhance the performance of such a search coil antenna, it is desirable to effectively reduce the wire resistance and inductive reactance of the coil, both of which impede the signal generated current flow in the coil. If such a coil were connected in series with a negative circuit impedance,ie, an appropriate, in terms of magnitude,negative resistance in series with an appropriate, in terms of magnitude, negative inductive reactance, the total combined impedance of the coil and the negative impedance circuit could be made as small as desired. If the total combined impedance is made positive, but very small, a very sensitive search coil system would result. The inventor describes his invention as an improvement in active antennas by including a negative impedance developed by providing positive feedback from a voltage controlled current source to the antenna. I found this patent no 5,296,866 Active Antenna to have a very informative Prior State of the Art section which explains why active antennas fell into historical disuse This is on pg 4 of the patent URL. > "A Broadband Active Antenna for ELF Magnetic Fields" by John > F. Sutton and G. Craig Spaniol" in Physics Essays March > 1993, Vol 6, #1, 1993. > > Abstract: "A unique broadband ULF-ELF-magnetic antenna is > described. Active circuitry is employed to introduce a > negative impedance that combines with the wire resistance, > the distributed winding capacitance, and the inductance of a > physically small search coil to produce an antenna with a > very small impedance. The result is increased search coil > current and a enhanced dipole-plane wave field interaction, > which greatly increases the effective area of the antenna, > independent of frequency - a 'black hole' antenna." > > The conclusion of the paper reads: > > "We began our work with the known plane-wave electromagnetic > field-resonant dipole electromagnetic field interaction > which can explain equally well the enhanced effective areas > of photon-atom, photo-particle, and radio wave-tuned dipole > interactions. We have extended this principle by showing > theoretically and demonstrating experimentally that active > circuitry can be used to introduce negative impedances into > an antenna circuit to reduce this same interaction over a > broad band of frequencies. The interaction has been applied > to enhance the sensitivity of physically small untuned > search coils, used in the study of the ionosphere via the > Earth-ionosphere cavity resonances, nominally in the 1 Hz - > 100 Hz range. The active antenna frequency response has > been measured and confirmed to be free for resonances and > uniform, +/- 2dB, over a nearly four decade range of > frequencies from 3.5 Hz to 25 kHz. > This is good info, you must have an impressive research library, I did not see it on the patent search you posted. The previous patent referenced to in the patent shows an antenna within an antenna as an ealier version of this active antenna, also worth a view, or is this the black hole antenna you were referring to? HDN ________________________________________________________________ Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 29 17:33:41 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA03605; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 17:33:28 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 17:33:28 -0700 From: Jim Richardson Reply-To: warlock@eskimo.com To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Flat sheet vs semicylindrical configuration Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 17:30:01 -0700 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.17] Content-Type: text/plain References: <000501bef134$64e56060$1f8eadd1@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <99082917315000.00556@raven> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"hYlep.0.9u.N5Tot"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11652 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Sat, 28 Aug 1999, Peter Fred wrote: > >%_ > David > > I took a flat sheet of copper and illuminated it or heated it from above at about 9 cm with 2250 watts and observed its weight drop. It dropped a little then went back to it original weight. Then I bent the sheet so it formed a half cylinder. When I illuminated it with 2250 watts with hot plate heating elements placed at the center of half cylinder, its weight dropped a little better than noise or 0.004 N or 0.054 % of the sheet's total weight. > > The other day I got much more clearer results with a hemisphere. When I illuminated a colander with a blackened aluminum sheet on the inside with 2250 watts for 330 seconds, I got a 0.026 N drop or a weight loss of 1.96 %. Then I illuminated a circula r aluminum sheet with the same area with 2250 watts for 350 seconds with the heating elements about 1/2 inch from the circular sheet. I got a 0.648 % drop in weight or a 0.010 N drop. The aluminum sheet was a little bit thicker than the aluminum of the c olander. Its initial weight or downward force was 1.5 N and the colander's initial downward force was 1.3 N. > > > Also I found another source where it looks at though a UFO is kicking out heat from its spherical shaped bottom. > In David Darlington's Area 51 p.73 he quotes Bob Lazar saying after he saw a "UFO" perform at Area 51 > > "It was sitting on the ground...The disc sat on the ground for a period of time, then the bottom of it glowed blue and it began to hiss, like high voltage does on a round sphere. It's my impression that they're round and have no sharp edges is to conta in the voltage....It lifted off the ground, quietly except for that little hiss in the background, and stopped as soon as it reached about twenty or thirty feet. It shifted to the left, shifted over to the right, and sat back down. I mean it doesn't so und like much, but it was incredibly impressive, just--mind-boggling. It's just magic!" > > > Peter Fred > > > http://ww4.choice.net/~pbfred/ > > couldn't this simply be due to heat expansion of the metal? It's on the right order of magnitude for volume increase. Try it in a vacuum and see if it still works, if not, it's simple displacement changes due to increase in volume. -- Jim Richardson Anarchist, pagan and proud of it WWW.eskimo.com/~warlock Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 29 18:22:50 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA14341; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 18:22:34 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 18:22:34 -0700 Message-ID: <37C9DD25.7B93DE25@microtec.net> Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 21:23:49 -0400 From: patrick tremblay X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Antigravity References: <002c01bef266$18cb1160$345323cb@-> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"mIPqz3.0.-V3.PpTot"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11653 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com http://www.laserway.com/ Guys, what do you think of this site ? Hoax ? The images seem to have been computer altered. Too bad, because this would be a real dream came true. I want antigravity and I want it now!!! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 29 19:39:54 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA00901; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 19:39:30 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 19:39:30 -0700 Message-ID: <37C9F06D.5B3A@lcia.com> Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 22:46:05 -0400 From: B25B@LCIA.COM (RON BRENNEN) Reply-To: b25b@LCIA.COM X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Saxl Patent References: <005401bef05a$0086a6e0$374a66d1@Pfepps> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"UCEN01.0.vD.XxUot"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11654 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fred Epps wrote: > > Hi Folks, > > I was not aware until tonight that Erwin Saxl had a patent on his > electrified pendulum. This is US3357253, "Device And Method For > Measuring Gravitational And Other Forces". It is not available on the > IBM patent server. It includes test results. > > This has obvious relevance to electrogravity and torsion research and > should be in the hands of these researchers. Accordingly, "for a > limited time only" as the ads say :-) I will mail the pdf file to > those who want it. I'll wait until next weekend to send the file to > avoid duplication of effort. It will probably be on a site later but > this format is handy. Please contact me this week if you want it. > > Fred I would like a copy of the file. Thanks, Ron From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 29 21:19:44 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA25280; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 21:19:10 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 21:19:10 -0700 From: "Harvey Norris" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: 60 hz resonant coils/180 phasing. Message-Id: <935986714.5334.311@excite.com> Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 21:18:34 PDT X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 207.220.167.32 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"HOnYv3.0.uA6.zOWot"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11655 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Frequently Presumed Questions; Why is it advantageous to make two resonant systems in opposite polarity as a 180 phasing? Answer: Because then the magnetic fields from each phase can be interacted together in space at the polar area of both coil systems placed together face to face. As such each inductive reactance can either be increased or decreased according to their mutual inductance dictated by polarity choice. Couldnt this be done with two identical phases of resonance in mutual inductance? Answer: Yes this should be possible, but a connecting wire beween their midpoints should not convey a current, as is the case when each of these phases are 180. How are two series resonant phases made at 180 degrees? Ans/ Each phase consists of L and C in series. By reversing the connections to the input: L and C can be plugged in backwards. Each of these conducting in parallel can run at the same time, in which case twice the amperage is consumed, exactly similar to the case of two identical phases in parallel. What is meant by dictating mutual inductance by polarity choice? Ans/: The coils on each branch can be combined in spatial interaction so that the inductive reactance of both coils becomes either greater or lesser than when each alone acted in isolated space to each other. This is due to whether the two coils produce two magnetic fields in magnetic agreement, or whether they produce magnetic opposition by the polarity arrangement made when those coils are placed face to face at their poles. Is one arrangement better than the other? Ans/: I am working under the common sense presumption that when the fields work in unison, or when one pole produces a N and the the other interacting coil produces an S interacting in polar space between the coils to produce a higher inductive reactance for both coils reactance, the value of C that is used in the quantity as 1/2CV(squared) to equal the quantity 1/2LI(squared) is correspondingly reduced by the fact that L is increased by mutual inductance and C is reduced so that both 1/2LI^2=1/2CV^2. This in turn means that the quantity V as expressed as the voltage in the electric field is increased by decreasing the amount of capacitance in resonance. The net effect of this means that a higher voltage potential then becomes present between the unobvoius midpoints by placing the coils in a mutual inductance in magnetic agreement, and also recalculating the C value to be used. It should also be noted in common sense that just because the phasings are 180 does not automatically imply the two fields are in opposition, when one coil can simply turned around in space to provide magnetic agreement. In the reverse scenario the amount of capacitance needed to resonate could be increased by placing two resonators back to back as Bill Wysock may have done in his model 12 tesla coil, although I am not clear on this, because he uses a single capacity, and not two as I have outlined, and because I have not studied it in further detail to comment. In the case of primaries conducting massive amperages, it may be advantageous to make C a large quantity with respect to the low L in this application. Thus the best application in a half wave resonator or 180 phased tesla coil might be opposite to that of a large inductor, which is the example I am speaking of. So in the large inductance case I think it is better if the fields are in unison and not opposition. If no over-unity effects can be shown, what is the use of this 180 phasing? Ans/: The questions about whether over unity is being exhibited are only considered in the context of input power vs output power of the load placed at that position between those 180 series resonant phases. In some cases where a high frequency interaction takes place AND when the value of V becomes exraordinarily large, over unity may be in evidence in the actual arcing that occurs. However some of these experiments seem hard to reproduce, and when they do occur it may damage the inputing transformer and recording measuring instruments because of a sort of transient current backlash. Sincerely looking forward to the future: HDN ________________________________________________________________ Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 29 21:47:02 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA30758; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 21:46:28 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 21:46:28 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.16.19990829214049.2247d08c@earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (16) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 21:40:49 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: 60 hz resonant coils In-Reply-To: <935961692.5334.867@excite.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"XccXR1.0.VW7.ZoWot"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11656 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Harvey and all, At 02:21 PM 8/29/99 PDT, you wrote: >Okay, I may be confused, let us go back to the original example of 5 ma, or >.005 A, conduction on the 20,000 ohm impedance of the 56 henry coil at 60 >hz. That amount of small conduction is the result of it being predominantly >an inductive circuit and therefore the current is about 90 degrees out of >phase with the voltage. The resultant 5 ma is the rms value of amperage read >by the meter. Input rms value of 120 volts times rms value of .005 A = .6 >watts In that case, I am just using rms values as you say. I could add >capacitance to the circuit and the amperage reading would increase because >of the reduced phase angle. Then I would have an increased amperage and the >power input would simply be the observed rms voltages and amperages. In >these cases my understanding is that the actual phase angle information is >not needed to find the power input, only the two rms values. No, average power = rms Voltage*rms Current*cos(phase angle). Remember for 120 Volts rms, the peak = 170 Volts approx. The rms value of a wave form = value of DC that produces the same power (phase angle=0). >But what gets confusing still is the fact >that at series resonance VI as input approaches that of the heating loss >I^2*R. If all the energy input is going towards heat loss, where does the >energy in oscillation in elctric and magnetic fields as 1/2L^2I=1/2CV^2 come >from? In the sine wave, steady state, any losses in the electric & magnetic field are made up by power into an effective resistance. It gets there initially by a transient time period. For example in the steady state, the current passes through zero. Here the voltage across the inductor is max. The capacitor has a high value also. V(inductor)+V(capacitor)+V(r)= V(input) If the circuit is switched on when the input voltage =0, the capacitor, inductor voltages are both zero, so this isn't the same as the "steady state". The transient solution for a LCR circuit can be complicated, but you can get a picture of what's going on by a simpler LR series circuit and a DC voltage- seeing where the energy goes. Perhaps this has to do with the fact no matter what value of C >(normally.12uf) I use, the best amperage consumption I can get is around 80% >of the value that ohms law would allow. If this is considered from the >standpoint of phase angles, this amount of amperage consumption would >probably be interpreted as being many degrees away from 0, yet it seems the >closest I can get to 60 hz resonance. Someone suggested that since the >closeness of the 20,000 winds of 23 gauge wire gives the coil an internal >capacitance that takes away from its ability to resonate, and also the fact >that it is wound on a plastic core may be a factor. The internal capacitance would be a parallel reactance, and change the effective inductive reactance. It would still be X(L), though if operated below the L, internal C resonant frequency, but smaller in value. I assume your resonance is experimental as the simple formulas don't take into effect the internal capacitance, etc and other variables you have mentioned. >My question is this, is the conduction at ohms law a realistic parameter for >determining whether a zero degree phase angle in series resonance exists? >Isnt it quite possible that other factors could prevent this from happening, >since the 80% amperage figure is what is obtained in this example where >X(L)=X(C). > How did you determine that X(L)=X(C), max current? Anything disturbing the magnetic field would vary the "Q" and thus the effective series R, for example. -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 29 22:03:37 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA02893; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 22:03:12 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 22:03:12 -0700 Message-ID: <37CA1092.8DADFC6D@harti.com> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 07:03:14 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: leoguitar@vossnet.de Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, Harvey Norris Subject: Re: 60 hz resonant coils References: <935961692.5334.867@excite.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"XRan.0.6j.E2Xot"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11657 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Harvey, the only thing you could try is use the magnetic fields in the resonance state at 60 Hz to induce power in a secondary coil and use this output power from the secondary. But normally this will just change the phase angle on the primary side and additional power will be drawn... But if you try a clever recitifier circuit with the right "timing", this might work... and does not change the phase angle. Maybe you can then draw secondory output power without increasing the phase angle... Regards, Stefan. > > You have lost me here, Harvey. RMS and phase angle are two different > concepts. > > To get a power number, say 0.6 watts, you are already giving an average > > mumber, > > an average of the instantaneous powers which are just V*I (both > > instantaneous). If you are not doing this, but are just using rms values > > for voltage and current, then you need to take into account the phase > > angles, which is a method to get the same power calculations when using > > sinusoidal waveforms for V and I. > Okay, I may be confused, let us go back to the original example of 5 ma, or > .005 A, conduction on the 20,000 ohm impedance of the 56 henry coil at 60 > hz. That amount of small conduction is the result of it being predominantly > an inductive circuit and therefore the current is about 90 degrees out of > phase with the voltage. The resultant 5 ma is the rms value of amperage read > by the meter. Input rms value of 120 volts times rms value of .005 A = .6 > watts In that case, I am just using rms values as you say. I could add > capacitance to the circuit and the amperage reading would increase because > of the reduced phase angle. Then I would have an increased amperage and the > power input would simply be the observed rms voltages and amperages. In > these cases my understanding is that the actual phase angle information is > not needed to find the power input, only the two rms values. > > >That actual amperage reading is ALREADY the RESULT of those phase angle > > >considerations that allow the available amperage to conduct. In any > case > > >the true power input should be identical to that spent on heating losses > > >expressed as I^2R wattage expenditure. > As I can see by my above quote, I WAS COMPLETELY WRONG. > The power input of .6 watts is determined by using voltage times amperge > meter readings. Yet the I^2*R heat loss on the 1000 ohm coil is only .025 > watts. I guess I was confused! But what gets confusing still is the fact > that at series resonance VI as input approaches that of the heating loss > I^2*R. If all the energy input is going towards heat loss, where does the > energy in oscillation in elctric and magnetic fields as 1/2L^2I=1/2CV^2 come > from? Perhaps this has to do with the fact no matter what value of C > (normally.12uf) I use, the best amperage consumption I can get is around 80% > of the value that ohms law would allow. If this is considered from the > standpoint of phase angles, this amount of amperage consumption would > probably be interpreted as being many degrees away from 0, yet it seems the > closest I can get to 60 hz resonance. Someone suggested that since the > closeness of the 20,000 winds of 23 gauge wire gives the coil an internal > capacitance that takes away from its ability to resonate, and also the fact > that it is wound on a plastic core may be a factor. Placing ferrite in the > core and trying to resonate presents an even further reduction in ability to > resonate at 60 hz according to conduction at ohms law amperage. > > My question is this, is the conduction at ohms law a realistic parameter for > determining whether a zero degree phase angle in series resonance exists? > Isnt it quite possible that other factors could prevent this from happening, > since the 80% amperage figure is what is obtained in this example where > X(L)=X(C). > > Sincerly HDN > > ________________________________________________________________ > Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com > Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. In. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 29 22:05:58 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA03650; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 22:05:45 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 22:05:45 -0700 Message-ID: <001001bef2a5$7ae66e00$321262d1@larry> From: "Axehandler" To: Subject: Re: Antigravity Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 00:06:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"t1Dgv.0.xu.e4Xot"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11658 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com The only 2 good pictures that have been touched.... in the main picture you can plainly see the helocopter blade as a shadow on the ground and some fussing in the sky..... The other has the X51 Cockeye'd on the helocopter... and it's out of place from before! =) Total Hoax Axe -----Original Message----- From: patrick tremblay To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Sunday, August 29, 1999 8:23 PM Subject: Antigravity >http://www.laserway.com/ > >Guys, what do you think of this site ? Hoax ? > >The images seem to have been computer altered. Too bad, because this would be > >a real dream came true. > >I want antigravity and I want it now!!! > > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 29 22:31:20 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA08472; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 22:31:06 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 22:31:06 -0700 X-Fidalgo-Track-MAIL-A: pm3-5-dyn5.skagit.fidalgo.net [209.191.182.116] X-Fidalgo-Track-MAIL-B: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 22:30:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <008901bef2a8$1ccd59c0$70b6bfd1@Pfepps> From: "Fred Epps" To: , Subject: Re: Marinov Motor ?? Ball bearing motor Just a heat engine ! Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 22:25:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"-PUyc3.0.H42.QSXot"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11659 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Stefan and all, >It is just a heat engine ! I finally found the article I was looking for about this thing, it is "The Ball Bearing As A Motor", Am J. Phys. 46(12) Dec. 1978. The author argues that this ball motor is due to a force between a magnetic field oriented around the axis of rotation, and the current through the ball between the races. The axial field only exists in cases where the bearing is already rolling, or when there is remanent magnetism in the ball. Since this remanence can be in either direction the ball can rotate in either direction. He gives test results to support his thesis. I can't follow his math completely so I am not sure how well it all holds up, but it appears that it is electromagnetic and not thermal. > >It heats one point of the ball, which makes contact with the bearing >and so it acts like a heat engine.> >Probably has no big efficiency. Right, the author states about 1 %. It might be good to point out again that this is no way similar to the Marinov motor. Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 29 22:45:25 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA12890; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 22:44:58 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 22:44:58 -0700 From: DEADWATE@aol.com Message-ID: <69468c7.24fb7436@aol.com> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 01:44:22 EDT Subject: Copy of patent To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 22 Resent-Message-ID: <"2rNSP1.0.J93.QfXot"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11660 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com If I am not too late, I too would like a copy of E. Saxl's patent. deadwate@aol.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 29 23:09:53 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id XAA18242; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 23:09:32 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 23:09:32 -0700 Message-ID: <37CA1E8D.43527EE2@harti.com> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 08:02:53 +0200 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: leoguitar@vossnet.de Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Free Energy , Newman-L Mailing List , atg0317 , atglab Subject: New aspects of the TMB ! X-Priority: 2 (High) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Fh1131.0.xS4.S0Yot"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11661 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi All, Adolf Schneider from NetJournal, CH sent me these infos: „Thermoelectric Energy Conversion by the action of a heat flow“ On pp. 67-69 of No. 10 of 'Infinite Energy' (September-October, 1996) there is an article by Michael C. Nicolaou which draws attention to the research discovery of Dr. Leonid N. Grigorov, a polymer physicist in Moscow. It concerns the high electrical conductivity of oxidized polypropylene and its prospective use in thermoelectric devices. This arises the interest of Dr. Harold Aspden owing to his involvement in an invention in which a polymer film is used as a dielectric in a parallel plate capacitor subjected to a thermal gradient. Heat input generates current oscillations through the capacitor. Conversely, input of current oscillations causes the device to act as a very efficient heat pump, which means that the device operates as a refrigeration unit. The power rating of such a device for a given weight can be increased enormously if that polymer dielectric film is a good electrical conductor in a direction lateral to its plane. Dr. Aspden therefore see great promise in the Grigorov discovery. Dr. Harold Aspden also notes: „I am now fairly confident in my belief that, as these warm superconductor compositions (YBCO superconductors) cool during their process of manufacture, there will be cold spots local to molecular groupings which suit the supergraviton resonance. This is because the phenomenon involves transfer of heat into electrical energy fed to sustain electron motion. Obviously if we are dealing here, not with a zero resistivity but rather with a negative resistance property owing to that regenerative effect, then there will be local current oscillations in the material. These will be self-induced microscopic eddy-currents in the material, which transfer that heat to the regions not conducive to resonance. That means that there could be a self-tuning element to the process and the proposition that the YBCO-7 oxygen molecules aggregate with their 10 oxygen counterparts in the ratio of 1:2 to give the overall composition with a mean of 9 oxygen atoms then makes good sense. At least, that is the way I see it, and I do believe that the New Energy publications such as 'Infinite Energy' are wise to report on progress in the warm superconductor field, simply because the phenomenon breaks the laws of physics by regenerating electricity from heat and doing that with a 100% conversion efficiency. I may also note that, in analyzing data from the thermoelectric energy conversion devices involved in my research with Scott Strachan, I could only explain the enormous thermoelectric EMF we were getting from nickel-aluminium junctions in terms of the problem we had avoided by not allowing cold spots to develop in filamentary current flow paths through the cooled Peltier junctions. That is the subject of Energy Science Report No. 2 in the series I publish and the device first tested is described in U.S. Patent No. 5,288,336. As an side comment on this, I will here draw attention to the fact that bismuth telluride increases in resistivity with temperature decrease. This is contrary to the situation in base metals. It means that Peltier cooling prevents cold spots from forming in thermocouples using that material and so prevents the setting up filamentary paths through points in junctions which would cool rapidly to temperatures too close to the lower heat sink temperature. In base metal thermocouples such cold spot cooling chokes the thermoelectric action, but we avoided that in our research by using thin Ni-Al films on a polymer substrate and interrupting the current flow at a frequency measured in kHz. You can view such a normal base metal thermoelectric device as inherently monostable and in a virtually incapacitated state. In contrast, by the technique Strachan and I adopted using Ni-Al thermo junctions we contrived to make our devices bistable in the conductivity sense. However, after a while even our devices tended to become monostable again in a magnetic sense and it is only now, after waking up to this situation, that steps can be taken to remedy that so that this new technology can move ahead.“ And further: „Note that the oxidized polypropylene polymer discovered by Dr. Grigorov is the exact opposite. It is a thermal insulator with superconductive filamentary paths through the layer of film. That is why it offers such promise in a Strachan-Aspden thermoelectric power converter. It could well prove to be the refrigeration technology of the future, besides serving as a solid-state electric power generator. For details see my Energy Science Report No. 3.“ For reference see: http://www.energyscience.co.uk/notes/rn9702.htm -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. In. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Aug 29 23:17:14 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id XAA20996; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 23:16:51 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 23:16:51 -0700 X-Fidalgo-Track-MAIL-A: pm3-5-dyn5.skagit.fidalgo.net [209.191.182.116] X-Fidalgo-Track-MAIL-B: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 23:16:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <00e601bef2ae$82752860$70b6bfd1@Pfepps> From: "Fred Epps" To: "Free Energy" Subject: Japanese solid state Fe patents Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 23:11:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"BkhZZ.0.v75.I7Yot"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11662 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Folks, I would be interested in people's opinions on these two very similar Japanese solid state free energy devices, specifically why they WOULDN'T work... Some may recognize the resemblance to the De Rivas and Richardson flux switching patents. Mr. Bearden has also referred to this principle in terms of the Radus magnetic boot patent, and Butch Lafonte has also talked about something like the motor version of the same. http://www.patents.ibm.com/cgi-bin/viewpat.cmd/JP09115748A_ http://www.patents.ibm.com/cgi-bin/viewpat.cmd/JP09035958A_ Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 30 00:03:54 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id AAA29632; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 00:03:37 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 00:03:37 -0700 Message-ID: <37CA2CD8.85D2C13A@ihug.co.nz> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 19:03:52 +1200 From: John Berry X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Marinov Motor ?? Ball bearing motor Just a heat engine ! References: <3.0.6.16.19990818093412.2397f904@earthlink.net> <37BB149A.D4C940B0@technologist.com> <37C908AE.A16D92A@harti.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"gHtIe.0.vE7.9pYot"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11663 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Then why when I used a paramagnetic axle (AL) did it not work if it's just heat? I do not agree with that theory at all. John Berry Stefan Hartmann wrote: > It is just a heat engine ! > > It heats one point of the ball, which makes contact with the bearing > and so it acts like a heat engine. > > This is also, why it works on AC and/or DC ! > It just depends on the 2 temperatures of the steel ball > inside the bearing to produce a torque due to heat forces > onto the metal. > > Probably has no big efficiency. > > Regards, Stefan. > > Brian Snyder schrieb: > > > > > Dave Dameron Writes: > > > > > Recently I saw a form of marinov motor which intrigued me and showed the > > > video to > > > all at our meeting. It was a stainless steel rod 1/4" in diameter 14" long > > > in > > > ball bearings. power was applied to the bearings and the rod spun up to over > > > 1000 rpm! DC or AC made no difference. Direction did'nt conform to motor > > > laws. > > > Tim Raney of our group, built the toy and verified operation. It is best > > > to run > > > this puppy under water as the rod and bearings get super hot. The bearings > > > don't > > > last very long either. New systems will self start. Grungy, pitted or burned > > > bearing need a small torque to start. This bastard is happy running in either > > > direction. Again, AC or DC > > > > > > > Do you have any info or plans so we can make this "toy"?? Looks like > > an interesting project. > > -- > Hartmann Multimedia Service, > Dipl. In. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany > Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 > email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net > http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 30 00:25:56 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id AAA32243; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 00:25:38 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 00:25:38 -0700 From: JNaudin509@aol.com Message-ID: <3e5a8b3a.24fb8bcb@aol.com> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 03:24:59 EDT Subject: PFT v3.0, towards a new generation of spacecrafts To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 166 Resent-Message-ID: <"VDDSk3.0.dt7.o7Zot"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11664 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Dear All, I have added a new update in my web site : The PFT v3.0 is a working mock-up of a new generation of spacecrafts which uses the motion of an asymmetrical Poynting Flow for generating a thrust. The PFT v3.0 uses the main principle of the PFT propulsion for generating a horizontal thrust. The purpose of this mock-up is to study the integration of a PFT thruster in the hull for building a new generation of spacecraft. The vertical thruster has not been yet implemented for separating the effects. The next version of the PFT will uses a Dynamic Vector Potential with a special shaped magnetic field for generating the main vertical thrust. All pictures diagram and video can be found at : http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/delany/256/html/pft03.htm Best Regards Jean-Louis Naudin Email: Jnaudin509@aol.com Overunity Web site: http://members.aol.com/jnaudin509/index.htm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 30 02:52:59 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id CAA21741; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 02:52:31 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 02:52:31 -0700 Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 09:52:19 +0000 (GMT) From: Mathias Bage X-Sender: mathias@viggo.brace.dom To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Antigravity In-Reply-To: <37C9DD25.7B93DE25@microtec.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"FLtwe.0.cJ5.VHbot"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11665 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Sun, 29 Aug 1999, patrick tremblay wrote: > http://www.laserway.com/ > > Guys, what do you think of this site ? Hoax ? In the picture http://www.laserway.com/images/X51.jpg a shadow from an ordinary helicopter rotor can be seen. /Mathias From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 30 06:47:23 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA32143; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 06:45:44 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 06:45:44 -0700 From: bpaddock@csonline.net (Bob Paddock) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Copy of patent Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 09:03:49 -0400 Organization: is mostly via piles Reply-To: bpaddock@csonline.net Message-ID: <1Eoy3UQy8onP092yn@csonline.net> References: <69468c7.24fb7436@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <69468c7.24fb7436@aol.com> Lines: 14 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.37Beta [95/NT] Resent-Message-ID: <"teqXM.0.7s7.8ieot"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11666 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >If I am not too late, I too would like a copy of E. Saxl's patent. >deadwate@aol.com You can get it at http://www.oilcity.org/research/ it is a 1.8M .PDF file. -- For information on any of the following check out my WEB site at: http://www.biogate.com/bpaddock/ Chemical Free Air Conditioning/No CFC's, Chronic Pain Relief, Echofone, Electromedicine, Electronics, Explore!, Free Energy, Full Disclosure, KeelyNet, Matric Limited, Neurophone, Oil City PA, Philadelphia Experiment. http://www.uCOS-II.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 30 09:14:16 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA14871; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 09:13:39 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 09:13:39 -0700 From: Keasy@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 12:12:41 EDT Subject: Re: 60 hz resonant coils To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 Resent-Message-ID: <"R7m3S1.0.Ge3.psgot"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11667 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com In a message dated 8/29/99 2:22:51 PM Pacific Daylight Time, tesla4@excite.com writes: > > My question is this, is the conduction at ohms law a realistic parameter for > determining whether a zero degree phase angle in series resonance exists? > Isnt it quite possible that other factors could prevent this from happening, > since the 80% amperage figure is what is obtained in this example where > X(L)=X(C). I would think that maximum current should be pretty close to a zero degree phase angle, but not exact since the components aren't ideal. If you really want to look at the phase, though, you could insert a small series resistor and look at the input voltage and also the voltage across the resistor with a two channel oscilloscope. That way you see the voltage and current in its actual phase relationship. Ken From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 30 10:25:48 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA05500; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 10:24:42 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 10:24:42 -0700 Message-ID: <000901bef30c$c12d9660$de20fea9@fs11> From: "atg0317" To: "Free Energy" Subject: Temp TMB Site Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 12:26:10 -0500 Organization: atgroup MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"xbApc2.0.kL1.Ivhot"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11668 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com I have placed the TMB files on a temporary site until our new Domain and server are completed, they can be found at; http://web.wt.net/~atg0317/index.htm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 30 11:02:58 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA20167; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 11:00:52 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 11:00:52 -0700 From: MATTIARO@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 13:58:48 EDT Subject: Re: Antigravity To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Resent-Message-ID: <"cMm2L3.0.Pw4.9Riot"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11669 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com In a message dated 8/30/1999 2:59:43 AM Pacific Daylight Time, mathias@Stacken.kth.se writes: << On Sun, 29 Aug 1999, patrick tremblay wrote: > http://www.laserway.com/ > > Guys, what do you think of this site ? Hoax ? In the picture http://www.laserway.com/images/X51.jpg a shadow from an ordinary helicopter rotor can be seen. /Mathias >> On the helicopter, I saw the exhaust coming from the rear of the fuselage. I was looking and really concentraiting on the tail boom. They have done a great job of deleting the tail rotor from the boom. I can't see any false lines or missing lines there. But one thing does intrigue me. IF the tail is rotorless, where are the exhaust louvers that are needed to rotate the copter in azmuth plane? I will be double check on the shadow of the rotor. Interesting. I missed that!! Drats, that proves that I'm a human after all :-) Matti From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 30 11:27:07 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA27861; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 11:23:55 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 11:23:55 -0700 Message-ID: <37CACB5E.A2B98482@mpinet.net> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 14:20:15 -0400 From: Jim Springer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Antigravity Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"nGqyo2.0.Cp6.Xmiot"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11670 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Looks to me like the light is directly overhead. That shadow on the ground must be from something else because it doesn't look like it's in the right spot for the main rotor. Wonder why they went through all the trouble to touch up where the rotors were and then have the crummy pasted lettering on the body! (That isn't even in the same place from one picture to the next !) The device on top where the rotor should be doesn't even look the same from picture to picture. How bout that FLAVIO guy and Captain GLORY!!!! -- "Education is what is left when you have forgotten everything you learned in school." Albert Einstein, 1936 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 30 11:33:07 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA31178; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 11:32:37 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 11:32:37 -0700 Message-ID: <000c01bef32f$55982780$77b44cd8@may> From: "Joe May" To: Subject: Re: Antigravity Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 14:33:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1257" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <"iWNPO2.0.1d7.2viot"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11671 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Please remove me from your list. nancy28@bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: MATTIARO@aol.com To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Monday, August 30, 1999 11:08 AM Subject: Re: Antigravity >In a message dated 8/30/1999 2:59:43 AM Pacific Daylight Time, >mathias@Stacken.kth.se writes: > ><< > On Sun, 29 Aug 1999, patrick tremblay wrote: > > > http://www.laserway.com/ > > > > Guys, what do you think of this site ? Hoax ? > > In the picture http://www.laserway.com/images/X51.jpg > a shadow from an ordinary helicopter rotor can be seen. > > /Mathias >> > > On the helicopter, I saw the exhaust coming from the rear of the fuselage. > I was looking and really concentraiting on the tail boom. They have done a >great job of deleting the tail rotor from the boom. I can't see any false >lines or missing lines there. > But one thing does intrigue me. IF the tail is rotorless, where are the >exhaust louvers that are needed to rotate the copter in azmuth plane? > I will be double check on the shadow of the rotor. Interesting. I missed >that!! > > Drats, that proves that I'm a human after all :-) > > Matti > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 30 12:33:18 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA19012; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 12:32:51 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 12:32:51 -0700 From: Keasy@aol.com Message-ID: <300fb0d1.24fc363c@aol.com> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 15:32:12 EDT Subject: Re: Flat sheet vs semicylindrical configuration To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 Resent-Message-ID: <"d4T0p3.0.ue4.Znjot"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11672 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com In a message dated 8/29/99 5:34:50 PM Pacific Daylight Time, warlock@eskimo.com writes: > couldn't this simply be due to heat expansion of the metal? It's on the right > order of magnitude for volume increase. Try it in a vacuum and see if it > still > works, if not, it's simple displacement changes due to increase in volume. Yes, there are at least two factors involved: the metal expansion and convection currents. I did a similiar experiment with aluminum, heating it with current through an attached resistor. It always lost weight until I put it in a sealed (but not vacuum) jar. All weight loss with heat disappeared. Ken From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 30 12:57:15 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA25153; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 12:56:13 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 12:56:13 -0700 From: Keasy@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 15:53:40 EDT Subject: Re: Antigravity To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 Resent-Message-ID: <"9Gu2U.0.H86.77kot"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11673 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com In a message dated 8/30/99 2:59:43 AM Pacific Daylight Time, mathias@Stacken.kth.se writes: > > > > Guys, what do you think of this site ? Hoax ? > > In the picture http://www.laserway.com/images/X51.jpg > a shadow from an ordinary helicopter rotor can be seen. > And the little saucer thing --- oops, propulsion pod -- near the tail (if that is what it is) does not cast a shadow. Whoever posted this seems to be a *little* better at computer graphics than antigravity. Ken From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 30 12:57:15 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA25195; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 12:56:21 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 12:56:21 -0700 Message-ID: <002801bef321$50694860$60b1fea9@hal-9000> Reply-To: "dwenbert" From: "dwenbert" To: , Subject: Re: Saxl Patent Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 15:38:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"lFmlB1.0.596.G7kot"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11674 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com For those interested in Erwin Saxl: Dr. Saxl left all of his notes and equipment to the Florida Institute of Technology, in Melbourne, Florida (on the Space Coast), and a working pendulum exists there today. It has been looked at over the years by various professors and grad students, but not with the rigor and vigor that it deserves. If anyone is truly interested in studying Saxl's approach to electrogravitation, I can provide information about admission to Florida Tech, its undergrad and graduate programs in physics/space sciences, and life in east Central Florida. David L. Wenbert From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 30 14:13:20 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA22931; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 14:12:59 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 14:12:59 -0700 Message-ID: <002a01bef32c$c2cd5620$024210cf@h29ym> From: "don maloney" To: References: <37CACB5E.A2B98482@mpinet.net> Subject: Re: Antigravity Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 14:15:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"u0kwr1.0.Cc5.PFlot"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11675 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com If you check the angle from the nose to the shadow of the nose on the ground, it is the same as the angle from the point where the rotor should be to the rotor shadow on the ground. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 30 14:21:39 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA25373; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 14:21:22 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 14:21:22 -0700 From: Keasy@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 17:18:15 EDT Subject: Magnets: does this seem right???? To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 Resent-Message-ID: <"bupG72.0.MC6.HNlot"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11676 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hello all, Excuse this for being "word heavy" but without a picture it takes a few words to describe everything. Suppose you have two identical disk magnets and place one flat on a table near the edge. Suppose its B field on its top surface is straight up. Now you hold the other magnet a few inches from the first oriented with its flat surface vertical (90 degrees from the first), the center of its circular area exactly level with the center of mass of the first magnet, and pointing so its B field passes straight through the center of the first magnet and is directed from the second magnet toward the first. Now, does the magnet laying on the table *weigh* more, less or the same, compared to when there was no second magnet? If you treat the magnet on the table as a huge number of magnetic dipoles so the B field from the second magnet exerts a huge number or torques on the first, you are hard pressed to explain an answer other than zero. Or at least I am. (Of course the attraction between the magnets in the horizontal plane is another issue -- you would not expect any attraction or repulsion if the magnets are perpendicular, and there is none) Nevertheless, the answer is clearly LESS (by experiment). As you bring the second magnet closer the first magnet weighs less and less -- I certainly assume the second one weighs more. Does anyone think this sounds right and can explain it --or maybe we can use it for something? Ken From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 30 15:04:50 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA11583; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 15:04:34 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 15:04:34 -0700 Message-ID: <37CAFFDD.E6C16321@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 15:04:13 -0700 From: eks1 Reply-To: eks1@earthlink.net Organization: Systems Research Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,en-GB,en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Antigravity References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"25lMV3.0.tq2.o_lot"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11677 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com > In a message dated 8/30/1999 2:59:43 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > mathias@Stacken.kth.se writes: > > << > On Sun, 29 Aug 1999, patrick tremblay wrote: > > > http://www.laserway.com/ > > > > Guys, what do you think of this site ? Hoax ? BOO! HISS! I think there's a reason that this website-owner isn't known for his stunning special effects, or his HUGO-award winning Science Fiction...no offense to anyone of course.. OF COURSE IT'S A HOAX! Consider the source... Cheers! Erik From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 30 16:17:54 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA02408; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 16:17:35 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 16:17:35 -0700 Message-ID: <001101bef33e$95dc0960$78e5869f@vector> From: "Trev" To: References: Subject: Re: Magnets: does this seem right???? Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 00:06:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"3Ru7n2.0.Nb.E4not"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11678 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Ken, I just ran to the shed and tried it out and your right it weighs less but there did seem to be a slight attraction, I'll ponder this tonight and see if I can come up with a way of using it. Thanks, Trev. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, August 30, 1999 10:18 PM Subject: Magnets: does this seem right???? > Hello all, > Excuse this for being "word heavy" but without a picture it takes a few > words to describe everything. > Suppose you have two identical disk magnets and place one flat on a > table near the edge. Suppose its B field on its top surface is straight up. > Now you hold the other magnet a few inches from the first oriented with its > flat surface vertical (90 degrees from the first), the center of its circular > area exactly level with the center of mass of the first magnet, and pointing > so its B field passes straight through the center of the first magnet and is > directed from the second magnet toward the first. > > Now, does the magnet laying on the table *weigh* more, less or the same, > compared to when there was no second magnet? > > If you treat the magnet on the table as a huge number of magnetic > dipoles so the B field from the second magnet exerts a huge number or torques > on the first, you are hard pressed to explain an answer other than zero. Or > at least I am. (Of course the attraction between the magnets in the > horizontal plane is another issue -- you would not expect any attraction or > repulsion if the magnets are perpendicular, and there is none) > Nevertheless, the answer is clearly LESS (by experiment). As you > bring the second magnet closer the first magnet weighs less and less -- I > certainly assume the second one weighs more. Does anyone think this sounds > right and can explain it --or maybe we can use it for something? > Ken From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 30 17:52:47 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA00475; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 17:52:28 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 17:52:28 -0700 Message-ID: <19990831005155.48355.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [208.254.227.206] From: "Timothy Flytcher" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Antigravity Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 17:51:55 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"9f5cY2.0.H7.BToot"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11679 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com > > http://www.laserway.com/ > I will be double check on the shadow of the rotor. Interesting. I >missed >that!! > > Drats, that proves that I'm a human after all :-) > > Matti > not only that but didn't you see the pice of rotor blade still in the tree??? T... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 30 20:00:17 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA13074; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 19:59:54 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 19:59:54 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.16.19990830195317.226fc3c0@earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (16) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 19:53:17 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: Magnets: does this seem right???? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"rwgxd2.0.BC3.gKqot"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11680 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Ken and all, At 05:18 PM 8/30/99 EDT, you wrote: > Now, does the magnet laying on the table *weigh* more, less or the same, >compared to when there was no second magnet? If I understand it right, I think it could weigh either more or less, (In addition to the torque) and is due to the finite height of magnet #2. For example: NS NS SSSS NS NNNN NS #2 #1 In this case magnet #1 will have a vert. force to move the SSSS face to the ~top of #2. (decreased weight). If the poles of #1 or #2 were reversed, the movement will be toward the bottom (inc. weight). Sitting on a surface, the positions would already be about there, so the decreased cases weight would be more obvious. Both cases can be seen equally with horiz. movements (magnet #2 below magnet #1). -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Aug 30 20:07:15 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA17218; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 20:07:05 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 20:07:05 -0700 From: Keasy@aol.com Message-ID: <709d5849.24fc99a9@aol.com> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 22:36:25 EDT Subject: Re: Magnets: does this seem right???? To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 Resent-Message-ID: <"I0v3g.0.wC4.PRqot"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11681 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com In a message dated 8/30/99 4:21:29 PM Pacific Daylight Time, trevcox@tinet.ie writes: > just ran to the shed and tried it out and your right it weighs less but > there did seem to be a slight attraction, I'll ponder this tonight and see > if I can come up with a way of using it. > Thanks, > Trev. I found that the attraction or repulsion along the line (imaginary) joining the magnets is very sensitive to angular position. Moving just a degree or two from the perpendicular orientation of the two magnets changed from attraction to repulsion. Ken From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 31 04:42:16 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id EAA11161; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 04:41:44 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 04:41:44 -0700 Message-ID: <37CBBEFC.B6C86151@verisoft.com.tr> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 14:39:40 +0300 From: hamdi ucar X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Temp TMB Site References: <000901bef30c$c12d9660$de20fea9@fs11> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"f6Osf.0.Dk2.uzxot"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11682 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi all, Is the pure Earth magnetism alone cause the anisotropy on TMB? Is is also very interesting to investigate the exact cause of this anisotropy. May this phenomenon lead to discover an unknown nature of the Earth magnetic field or some unknown interference w ithin. As the apparatus is very versatile and gives very good sensitivity to Earth magnetic field, this phenomenon may be already used by living organism like migrating birds as a compass. This may solve an other great mystery. Regards, hamdi ucar From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Aug 31 20:59:15 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA10723; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 20:58:52 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 20:58:52 -0700 X-Fidalgo-Track-MAIL-A: pm3-4-dyn37.skagit.fidalgo.net [209.102.74.100] X-Fidalgo-Track-MAIL-B: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 20:58:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <006801bef42d$92674660$144a66d1@w7o9k8> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: Toroidial transformers with fractional turns?!!! Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 20:53:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"R8DqV.0.Sd2.yHApt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11683 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Dave, Bill and all, But think for a moment. In donut-inductors, the magnetic >>field-lines >>from each turn of wire extend over to the area enclosed by the next turn >> >>of wire, and as a result the magnetic field connects in a circle, and no >> >>field extends past the surface of the donut. Yet the secondary coil is >> >>entirely *outside* the donut, and therefor the magnetic flux never >>touches >>it. The question arises: how does the magnetic field inside the donut- >>inductor create a current in the secondary coil if no magnetic flux >>touches >>the secondary coil? Electronics students always ask this question. > >Yes one can shield them magnetically as well. This leads me to believe the >vector potential A is involved, like in the Aharonov-Bohm effect. I posted >some tests about a year ago. For the electrical shielding I used coax. cable. Yes that's right, this is explained by the use of the magnetic vector potential A. Ther is an article in Am. J. Phys. someplace about the A-B effect in transformers, I'll try to dig it up. This is considered conventional physics (whatever that means) at this point. > >Yes the Faraday law says the induced voltage is from the flux linkage- it >says "what" will be observed but not "how". The faraday law is not universally valid anyway. The motional law E = BXV and the faraday law are not euqivalents, as Moon and Spencer showed many years ago. The motional law is based on movement of charge, whereas the flux linkage law is based on acceleration of charge, so they are fundamentally different. You can only know the total induction in a circuit by adding both together. Motional induction is very strange since it can be generated by "virtual" motion of field rather than real motion. If this was not true then motors would not work. But since this motion is virtual it can happen at any velocity and is not limited by the speed of light. Think about that one in the context of the E= BXV law. In addition the only form of the flux linkage law which is universally valid (where flux linkage applies) is the formula using A the vector potential and not B the field. A is the primary or fundamental quantity and not B. This is demonstrated in the Marinov motor where there is no flux linkage and no motion of flux and there is still induction (in the form of motor torque) because A integrated over time and space does change. >> >>Also I've always wondered if the energy-flow between primary and >>secondary >>of a transformer is instantaneous or if it obeys the speed of light. That's a good question. But does anything obey the speed of light except light ? :-) >> >>circuit. Move the dipole antenna so it is no longer within the >>nearfield >>region surrounding the donut-inductor. I suspect that the output >>wattage >>will not match the input, and that excess energy comes out of the >>device. >> >>The above "donut inductor" effect has not been tested. The WHY the hell >>am I >>rambling on like this? >Because... it is really strange! The Marinov motor (the real one not the ball bearing one) is pretty similar to what you are talking about. Although it is very strange, it is not OU as far as anyone can tell yet. I predict that your secondary will load the toroid. > >Didn't the Sutton "black-hole" antenna just take energy from a larger >volume of space? No excess energy _just_ in that. Right. How much different is the >test of a regen. receiver with direct short wire antenna picking up the RF >from a transmitter tank circuit? (Some early receivers used air core >toroidal coils) Not at all different, the regen reciever is quoted in the Sutton papers as a forerunner of their invention. The Sutton thing is basically a controlled feedback regen reciever. Fred