From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 1 00:04:54 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id AAA14637; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 00:04:15 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 00:04:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710010704.AAA26193@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: "Free Energy" , Subject: Re: spindizzy winds down Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 00:08:59 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"nt7r51.0.Wa3.gNVCq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1071 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi Scott! > > Right, and I think we can stop looking in classical electromagnetics as > well...and this especially includes electromagnetic motors. > > What is hard for some folks to appreciate is the enormous amount of > engineering that has already been done based upon classical theories. These > theories aren't just something you dig out of physics books when you want to > pontificate...they have been tested and tested and tested. > > The human race has built countless mechanical and electrical machines with > degrees of sophistication ranging beyond any one person's full > comprehension. When you drive away in a modern car, for example, you are > riding on man-centuries of cumulative engineering accomplishment. In many > of these engineering efforts the actual working models are compared to the > theoretical design models with a fine-toothed comb until any and all > discrepancies are resolved. If there were any significant "irregularities" > in classical theory which could be manifested as easily as moving weights > attached to a wheel, or a special arrangement of magnets around a rotor, you > can rest assured that such would have been detected, explored and exploited > long ago. > > Barry says it well: > > > Any "OU" observed in the real world would have to come from > >fundamentally new physics (like ZPE, 5th force, etc), and > >so it is irrelevant to look for it based on classical force analyes. > > In fact, it is a waste of precious time to look for OU in classical physics. > I think you may be right that it is a waste of time looking for discrepancies in the THEORY of classical physics, because it is obviously a hermetically-sealed structure well-buttressed on all sides with plenty of evidence. I don't think this means that simple experiments that appear to be classical in nature cannot give unexpected results. As an example: The Foucalt pendulum and its actions are clearly predictable by classical mechanics. It is the simplest experiment in the world to conduct (although doing it with high accuracy is as difficult as anything else). Yet when Maurice Allais went to the historical record to discover the result of actual experiments with this pendulum he discovered that there were only two recorded trials of the Foucalt pendulum in as many centuries and that the actual data had not been recorded! He thought this peculiar, but took no more notice-- until he himself did extended measurements of a high-quality torsion pendulum and discovered that there were daily, weekly, and monthly variations in the period of such a pendulum that were tens of magnitudes beyond what could have been caused by the gravity of the moon, much less the sun, or the planets. My suspicion is that when earlier researchers did experiments with pendulums they saw the same results but rather than write up a report that appeared to be full of huge experimental errors and unexplained variations they simply stated their theory as their conclusions, and slept well at night :-) There have been few other pendulum tests done over long time periods. Those that have been conducted have all shown these results. Yet few scientists are aware of them, except perhaps those that belong to this list, and few scientists would countenance the idea that such a simple experiment could give such anomalous results. I could literally go on all night giving details of experiments done with "classical" setups that gave anomalous results, but why bother? There is always a way to rationalize away any anomaly, and there is always a way for a believer to rationalize any anomaly into their pet theory ("must be torsion waves from alpha centauri") and I am cynical enough to know that no-one, neither sceptic or believer will bother to repeat this simple experiment. Each will hold to their respective positions, because it is easier on the mind, and one sleeps well at night. and I-- I will not repeat the experiment because I am not a scientist, but a mere library worm. There are two aspects of human nature in opposition here. One is the enquiring and observant mind which searches out any discrepancies from expectation and attempts to resolve them, even at the expense of preconceived notions. This the spirit of science. Then there is the tendency of the mind to NOT SEE what doesn't fit expectations. I suggest that IF those engineers designing cars had discovered "irregularities" in their electromagnetic components (such as the fact that it takes longer to stop a rotating magnet in one direction than the other, as reported by Aspden and some Russian researchers) they would work quickly to smooth out the data curve and design out the obnoxious flaw in their system. They would certainly not go to their bosses at GM and ask for more money to examine this strange thing. I do not believe we know SQUAT about how the universe really works. We are whistling in the dark. And as my friend Stuart says, "that's my story, and I'm sticking to it..." Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 1 00:04:57 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id AAA14598; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 00:04:06 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 00:04:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710010704.AAA25835@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: THE SPINDIZZY Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 23:32:44 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"v4C2D.0._Z3.ZNVCq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1070 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Yes, Barry Merriman explained this to my satisfaction by invoking the coriolis force-- explains how the spring can slow down the disc, even though it is at right angles. Fred > I think that if you tried this, both with and without the springs, you > would find that the disk with the springs would slow down more than the > disk without the springs i.e. work is done compressing the springs and that > work is extracted from the rotational energy. > > Jim Richardson > Anarchist, pagan and proud of it. > http://www.eskimo.com/~warlock > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 1 00:38:37 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id XAA02245; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 23:15:27 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 23:15:27 -0700 Message-Id: <199710010615.XAA16268@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: DOG pause Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 21:08:11 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"XGK6Y1.0.oY.yfUCq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1068 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi Mark! > (P.S. You'll notice I don't clutter the list with MY wild ideas, mainly > because I can't get any of them to the build-the-prototype stage, either. If > I had, all our E-mail boxes would be a LOT fuller.) > Aw, come on, Mark, if "I" can do it, you can do it! It's fun, it's easy...:-) Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 1 00:41:53 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id XAA02317; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 23:15:43 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 23:15:43 -0700 Message-Id: <199710010615.XAA18334@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: "Free Energy" Subject: Re: THE SPINDIZZY Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 21:45:24 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"20UZr2.0.2a.BgUCq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1069 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi Eric, I'll take a look, but better watch out, it might give me some more ideas :-) Fred > > there have been many hundred people who have failed to make wheel > based perpetual motion machines. I touch on some of their history at: > http://www.voicenet.com/~eric/dennis4.html > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 1 00:53:25 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id AAA18670; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 00:53:11 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 00:53:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 20:18:28 +1000 Message-Id: <199710011018.UAA04163@main.murray.net.au> X-Sender: egel@main.murray.net.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Geoff Egel Subject: Re: Hydronic and Rogers GIFs Resent-Message-ID: <"tKckY.0.bZ4.b5WCq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1072 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 07:06 PM 9/30/97 -0700, you wrote: >Peter Nielsen wrote: >> >> Thanks to Robin's scanner, I now have GIFs of the article on Minto's >> Hydronic Transmitter and a Rogers' antenna patent. >> >> I will post these privately on request. >> >> Peter Nielsen > >Peter, > >I'd love to see the GIF of the Rogers antenna patent! > >as would I Geoff > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 1 00:57:59 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id AAA19093; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 00:57:44 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 00:57:44 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 00:57:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710010757.AAA04139@italy.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: THE SPINDIZZY Resent-Message-ID: <"CaGmk.0.Dg4.q9WCq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1073 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 12:29 PM 9/30/97 -0700, you wrote: >Consider the simplest possible situation, a disc with two radial grooves >and metal balls held near the center by some mechanism. >It is spun up to a constant velocity. The mechanism holding the balls is >released. The balls roll to the outside edge. >Now what are the energy dynamics of this situation? >1) We are agreed that the rotational energy remains the same. The >velocity of the disc decreases but the moment of inertia increases so it >all evens out, right? >2) Will you agree that the balls have moved under their own power? We did >not apply a radial force to them. For a mass to be moved from point A to >point B work (energy over time) must be done. Correct? >Where did this energy come from? I'm not asking for a label, like >centrifugal force, I'm asking for the source of the energy. Suppose the balls rolled outward with a lot of friction, generating heat. Would the rotational velocity be even lower than otherwise? Quoting above "Where did this energy come from?" -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 1 01:21:38 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id BAA21767; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 01:21:17 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 01:21:17 -0700 (PDT) From: JNaudin509@aol.com Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 04:20:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971001042041_860364500@emout03.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: G-Strain Energy Absorber V2.1 - Test results Resent-Message-ID: <"QB0Ee1.0.xJ5.wVWCq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1074 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi All, I have updated my GSEA device, which is now the GSEA V2.1. Today, I have conducted some new tests about this device, directly linked to the TEP project research : The main goal of theses series of tests is to verify the frequency shifting of the Prof. Seike Transistorized Coil presented at the Toronto congress. This round amplifier i.e. called, therefore, Endless Amplifier, which makes single turn of semiconductor coil. This version of the GSEA V2.1 is quite different from the original Seike's design ( which use 3 transistors 2SC521 (Silicon NPN, Triple diffused MESA transistors) ). As far as I am concerned, I have used three TIP3055 and this setup give me indentical results and now, I can confirm that : - The frequency decreases second by second, minute after minute as said the original device of Prof. Seike. This result maintains that the energy of the system decreases with time by absorbing negative energy of G with transistors. You will find all diagrams, pictures and tests report at : http://members.aol.com/overunity/html/gsea21.htm I hope that this will interest you, Sincerely, ( This mail has been sent at 07h56 GMT on 01 October 97 ) Jean-Louis Naudin ( France / GMT+2 ) Email : JNaudin509@aol.com my Overunity WEB Server : http://members.aol.com/JNaudin509/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 1 01:58:18 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id BAA24988; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 01:57:56 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 01:57:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710010857.BAA10641@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: G-Strain Energy Absorber V2.1 - Test results Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 02:05:41 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"O4KGa2.0.J66.H2XCq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1075 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi Jean-louis! > - The frequency decreases second by second, minute after minute as said the > original device of Prof. Seike. > > This result maintains that the energy of the system decreases with time by > absorbing negative energy of G with transistors. > I'm not sure why this indicates that the device has "negative energy". The battery is still supplying it with the usual positive energy right? Is the voltage through the circuit decreasing with time (more than battery discharge would show?) I will have to dig up my Seike article, I left it behind before because the theory made no sense... Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 1 02:23:14 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id CAA22803; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 02:22:58 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 02:22:58 -0700 From: JNaudin509@aol.com Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 05:21:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971001052151_-1262825703@emout08.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com cc: fepps@halcyon.com Subject: Re : Re: G-Strain Energy Absorber V2.1 - Test results Resent-Message-ID: <"1jmJs2.0.9a5.mPXCq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1076 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On 01/10/1997 11:01:54 , Fred Epps wrote : << I'm not sure why this indicates that the device has "negative energy". The battery is still supplying it with the usual positive energy right? Is the voltage through the circuit decreasing with time (more than battery discharge would show?) I will have to dig up my Seike article, I left it behind before because the theory made no sense... Fred >> Hi Fred, There is no battery in this test, this a full power supply and the checked voltage was always 5.17V during all the test. I repeat the main goal of this test : "The main goal of theses series of tests is to verify the frequency shifting of the Prof. Seike Transistorized Coil presented at the Toronto congress." This is the case in this test, that's all. May be that this device will found a conventional explanation or may be not..... You have all results and all diagrams in my web site for testing by yourself. The way is open for the thinking process...... :-) Sincerely, Jean-louis Naudin From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 1 03:42:50 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id DAA03555; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 03:42:31 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 03:42:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: leoguitar@mail.vossnet.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, newman-l@emachine.com From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Re: Overunity proof TEP article ONLINE ! Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 12:40:41 +0100 Message-Id: <19971001124041.62007c15.in@pop3.vossnet.de> Resent-Message-ID: <"DygLE1.0.Rt.KaYCq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1077 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi, I did not receive a single comment about this article... It is too complicated for all to read ?? Hi, Dieter Bauer has just written the article about the efficiency of the TEP. You will find it here: http://206.184.238.67/poover/tep.htm It is the article of the proof of overunity for the TEP circuit. P.S.: As I just move my domains to new IP numbers you will also soon find it at www.overunity.de Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 1 07:01:46 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id GAA23615; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 06:59:55 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 06:59:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Frank C. Earl" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 09:04:36 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: (MER) Werjefelt documents given ok for web! Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.42a) Resent-Message-ID: <"RzXt4.0.tm5.OTbCq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1078 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > I just spoke with Mr. Werjefelt on the phone, and he has given me the ok to > put his documents on the web. Does any one have any suggestions as how best > to convert 8 1/2 x 11 documents for email and web sites. A good 300-600 DPI flatbed scanner would do it best. -- Frank C. Earl Earl Consulting Services ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Pursuant to USC 47, there is a $500 per incident charge for each and every piece of Unsolicited Commercial Email (UCE) sent to this or any of my other addresses. Sending UCE's to any of my addresses implys general acceptance of these terms. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 1 07:15:45 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id HAA25641; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 07:14:21 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 07:14:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 09:30:05 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19971001091451.3f37a86a@pop.mymail.net> X-Sender: sunbrite@pop.mymail.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Michael C Slivinski Subject: Re: (MER) Werjefelt documents given ok for web! Resent-Message-ID: <"3jdpt1.0.YG6.xgbCq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1079 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 09:04 AM 10/1/97 +0000, you wrote: >> I just spoke with Mr. Werjefelt on the phone, and he has given me the ok to >> put his documents on the web. Does any one have any suggestions as how best >> to convert 8 1/2 x 11 documents for email and web sites. > >A good 300-600 DPI flatbed scanner would do it best. > >-- >Frank C. Earl >Earl Consulting Services >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Pursuant to USC 47, there is a $500 per incident charge for each >and every piece of Unsolicited Commercial Email (UCE) sent to this or >any of my other addresses. Sending UCE's to any of my addresses >implys general acceptance of these terms. > I heard that the jpg format at 72 dpi scan is best. one is that 72 dpi is what quite a few monitors are able to display. also, jpeg give more colors and that this format also takes up less memory. Now I am NOT sure about this but maybe having said what I have said will stimulate more conversation on this subject. I/we will all learn from this in case others want to duplicate other materials. thanks mike slivinski From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 1 07:33:26 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id HAA01305; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 07:31:42 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 07:31:42 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971001082751.00c07e54@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 08:27:51 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: Re: Overunity proof TEP article ONLINE ! In-Reply-To: <19971001124041.62007c15.in@pop3.vossnet.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"7O7Bo.0.IK.DxbCq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1080 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi Setfan, All... At 12:40 10/1/97 +0100, you wrote: >I did not receive a single comment about this article... > >It is too complicated for all to read ?? Well, it's not complicated to read...excellent presentation. I have a few problems with the analysis though. Before commenting at length, I'll try to verify what has been proposed. That will take some time.... Right out of the shute, I find the non-explanation for the 4-5 Volt jump "due to parametric switching of the bifilar coil" objectionable. It should be expressed as a formula, not as a fudge factor. Until that can be done, the circuit is not fully understood. Of course, as always, that's just my opinion. I could be wrong. Best Regards, JD ------------------------------------------------------------ Read not to contradict and confute, nor believe and take for granted...but to weight and consider. -Bacon mules@palacenet.net ------------------------------------------------------------ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 1 08:04:09 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id IAA06869; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 08:03:47 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 08:03:47 -0700 Message-Id: Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Frank C. Earl" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:08:20 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Overunity proof TEP article ONLINE ! Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.42a) Resent-Message-ID: <"TVKYs.0.8h1.IPcCq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1082 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > Hi, > > I did not receive a single comment about this article... > > It is too complicated for all to read ?? I don't know- I've not had the chance to read it yet. Frank Earl- -- Frank C. Earl Earl Consulting Services ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Pursuant to USC 47, there is a $500 per incident charge for each and every piece of Unsolicited Commercial Email (UCE) sent to this or any of my other addresses. Sending UCE's to any of my addresses implys general acceptance of these terms. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 1 08:04:19 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id IAA01843; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 08:03:43 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 08:03:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Frank C. Earl" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:08:20 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: spindizzy winds down Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.42a) Resent-Message-ID: <"nEnU33.0.iS.CPcCq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1081 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > There are two aspects of human nature in opposition here. One is the > enquiring and observant mind which searches out any discrepancies from > expectation and attempts to resolve them, even at the expense of > preconceived notions. This the spirit of science. Then there is the > tendency of the mind to NOT SEE what doesn't fit expectations. Bingo! And this is why there's soooo much of an uphill fight when something new is postulated. Because it doesn't jive with our "rational" mind and what we think we know- so the proposal is one of folly and viewed as preposterous, whether or not it might be right. We all keep forgetting, time and time again, that science doesn't always proceed from what is known- many times it makes leaps and jumps that come from someone following up on something that happens that shouldn't be in relation to known theories. I can't count the times that this has occured, yet we still have people that would follow the example of the others that had the audacity and folly to claim things like "...heavier than air flight isn't possible..." or "...there is no way to make an electric motor without sparking brushes..." Because someone didn't stick with what was "known", we now have airplanes, helicopters, and AC power and motors. That's what science is supposed to be all about. > I suggest that IF those engineers designing cars had discovered > "irregularities" in their electromagnetic components (such as the fact > that it takes longer to stop a rotating magnet in one direction than the > other, as reported by Aspden and some Russian researchers) they would work > quickly to smooth out the data curve and design out the obnoxious flaw in > their system. They would certainly not go to their bosses at GM and ask for > more money to examine this strange thing. Where's the references for this effect? (Seems I've missed out on yet another neat anomaly... :-) And I agree- few are going to pursue things like this and even fewer yet are going to try to get funding to pursue it from their employers. > I do not believe we know SQUAT about how the universe really works. We are > whistling in the dark. And as my friend Stuart says, "that's my story, and > I'm sticking to it..." Few have said truer words, Fred. Me, I'm a sceptic- but I suspect it's an unusual variety of scepticism. (Based on a lot of the sceptics out there) I won't accept anything purely at face value unless I've seen it for myself. I won't accept anything purely at face value unless I can touch it and do it for myself. And, I mean that- anything; even established science falls under this category. Frank Earl -- Frank C. Earl Earl Consulting Services ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Pursuant to USC 47, there is a $500 per incident charge for each and every piece of Unsolicited Commercial Email (UCE) sent to this or any of my other addresses. Sending UCE's to any of my addresses implys general acceptance of these terms. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 1 09:26:35 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id JAA12078; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 09:24:50 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 09:24:50 -0700 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 12:24:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Jason Aldo To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: THE SPINDIZZY In-Reply-To: <970930085247.ZM10550@me525.ecg.csg.mot.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"2S-V_2.0.dy2.HbdCq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1083 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Tue, 30 Sep 1997, John E. Steck wrote: > On Sep 29, 8:53pm, Peter Jason Aldo wrote: > > > The turbine basically consists of a rotating hollow drum into > > which water is pumped via a hollow shaft . Water jets are located around > > the periphery of the drum. Reportedly, when the drum reaches a certain > > speed, the water is propelled from the jets by centrifugal force of > sufficient > > enough velocity to cause enough reactice forcet o spin the drum without > > any outside power sorce. > > Reportedly by whom? The author of the paper I have chose to be anonymous. >I can see centripetal >force pumping the water. I can see > pumping the water to create centripetal force. I do not see how each can > perpetuate the other, closed system or not. All this thing does is convert > existing or imparted kinetic and potential energy. It's operation can only be > expressed in degrees of efficiency. Humor me a moment, where do you see the > excess energy coming FROM? The energy supposedly comes from centrifugal force. I know conventional science says centrifugal force is not a force, however not everyone agrees with this. Pete From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 1 09:31:18 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id JAA15197; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 09:31:01 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 09:31:01 -0700 From: Keasy@aol.com Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 12:10:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971001120724_-1128521932@emout15.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: THE SPINDIZZY Resent-Message-ID: <"Kpr8D1.0.zi3.3hdCq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1084 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hello all, I think most of the confusion on the rotating disc with moving masses with springs results from expecting the total rotational ENERGY to remain constant. What remains constant is the total rotational momentum of the system. An example that shows how this occurs is the earth- moon rotational system. The tides are constantly extracting energy from the rotational energy of the (essentially completely isolated) earth-moon system. But the total angular momentum of the earth-moon system must remain the same so the angular velocity of the system decreases and the moon moves away from the earth. These changes are measurable (but small, obviously). In the case of the disc the disc slowdown when the masses move results from the Coriolis force, as was previously mentioned. When I studied this some time ago my professor told the class that when the Coriolis force was first discovered it was classified by the military because of its possible applications. Ken Keasy@aol.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 1 09:46:26 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id IAA06869; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 08:03:47 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 08:03:47 -0700 Message-Id: Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Frank C. Earl" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:08:20 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Overunity proof TEP article ONLINE ! Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.42a) Resent-Message-ID: <"TVKYs.0.8h1.IPcCq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1082 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > Hi, > > I did not receive a single comment about this article... > > It is too complicated for all to read ?? I don't know- I've not had the chance to read it yet. Frank Earl- -- Frank C. Earl Earl Consulting Services ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Pursuant to USC 47, there is a $500 per incident charge for each and every piece of Unsolicited Commercial Email (UCE) sent to this or any of my other addresses. Sending UCE's to any of my addresses implys general acceptance of these terms. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 1 10:11:47 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id KAA29083; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:11:20 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:11:20 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971001121217.006a1c24@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 12:12:17 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: Re: THE SPINDIZZY In-Reply-To: <971001120724_-1128521932@emout15.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"ok94c1.0.K67.tGeCq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1085 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi All, A site you may find interesting...it fits nicely into this thread. Best Regards, JD ---------------------------------------------------- "Somewhere between anticipation and nostalgia we should have been happy." -Too Much Coffee Man #1 E-mail to mules@palacenet.net ---------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 1 10:17:20 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id KAA25151; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:15:16 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:15:16 -0700 (PDT) From: JNaudin509@aol.com Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 13:12:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971001130834_-2031064637@emout15.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: GSEA 2.1 - Tests Update Resent-Message-ID: <"Y3hie.0.u86.QKeCq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1086 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi All, As Hamdi Ucar has suggested to me, I have reconducted a new series of tests about the GSEA V2.1 device for testing the temperature effect on the frequency shifting. I have mounted a fan ( used for CPU for big computer ) Ref ROTRON MX3A1 at 150mm above the center of the GSEA's axis ( just in the center of the three transistors ( for an equal cooling ). You will find my complete report and graphics at : http://members.aol.com/overunity/html/gsea21.htm The test have four phases ( ambiant temp = 25o c): A) the GSEA is switch on without the cooling fan : - the frequency decreases with the time as the theory has predicted.... Start frequency : 4.517 MHz -> 4.303 MHz in 860 seconds B) the GSEA always ON, the cooling fan is swithed ON : - the frequency increase as the temperature decrease..... 4.303 MHz -> 4.494 MHz in 212 seconds C) the GSEA always ON, the cooling fan is swithed OFF : - the frequency decrease as the temperature increase..... 4.494 MHz -> 4.303 MHz in 690 seconds B) the GSEA always ON, the cooling fan is swithed ON : - the frequency increase as the temperature decrease..... 4.303 MHz -> 4.493 MHz in 212 seconds This first series of test shows clearly the temperature effect on the frequency shifting. So, today, I can't confirm that the main effect "The G energy pumping" decrease the frequency of my version of the Seike's Transistorized coil. I need to find MESA junction type transistor and reconduct this test to be in conformity with the original design of Prof. Seike. If someone could help me to find some kind of transistor ( with an european reference, please ), he is welcome. Sincerely, Jean-Louis Naudin From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 1 10:42:25 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id KAA29482; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:40:11 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:40:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7129AED99644D011B55500805FBEB857CF7C06@xch-evt-03.ca.boeing.com> From: "Hinman, Jeffrey M" To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: RE: THE SPINDIZZY Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:00:45 -0700 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"mdkf6.0.YC7.qheCq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1087 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi Ken. > But the total angular momentum of the earth-moon system > must remain the same so the angular velocity of the system > decreases and the moon moves away from the earth. > These changes are measurable (but small, obviously). My two cents worth. I think you will find that the moon is slowly moving towards the earth. Gravity is remaining constant, but the momentum is decreasing. Since the Moon and Earth are not losing mass, the velocity of the moon must decrease. This means that it is moving closer, not farther away. It is analogous to a satellite in earth orbit that is encountering a small amount of thin air resistance. It is slowly losing energy and will eventually plummet back to earth. Jeff Hinman From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 1 11:17:43 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id LAA06131; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 11:16:37 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 11:16:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971001181815.007e97f0@galileo.pi.infn.it> X-Sender: jwinter@galileo.pi.infn.it X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 18:18:15 +0100 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: John Winterflood Subject: Re: Overunity proof TEP article ONLINE ! In-Reply-To: <19971001124041.62007c15.in@pop3.vossnet.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"7gQdo3.0.bV1._DfCq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1088 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 12:40 1/10/97 +0100, Stefan Hartmann wrote: >I did not receive a single comment about this article... > >It is too complicated for all to read ?? It is pretty hard to work out what is going on in your circuit. After looking at it for some time it seems that it is really not doing what it seems that you hope it should be doing (although even that is rather hard to work out!) If it is not doing what you think it is doing then any mathematical analysis is going to be a case of "garbage in -> garbage out". So here is what I am guessing is going on :- The emitter of your transistor is sitting near the positive rail and since the output of the 555 can only swing to within a volt or two of the rail, I would guess that your transistor is never getting turned "on" when the 555 output switches high. When the output of the 555 switches low, it goes very close to zero and so -ve 12 volts will be applied to the base of the transistor (w.r.t the emitter) via the 1K base resistor. However, typical transistors cannot handle this sort of reverse polarity and will break down (usually non-destructively) like a zener diode at around 5 volts. So the output of the 555 switching between 0 and say 10 volts with a 5 volt zener in series is effectively a 5 volt peak-peak square wave applied through a 1K resistor to the high end of the load resistor. This gives the sharp rising and falling edges of the measured waveform and their approximate amplitude. The exponential decay shape immediately following the sharp edge looks to be due to remnant (uncancelled) inductance in your bifilar coil responding to the step voltage change. This is suggested by the shorter decay time when the "soft" core is removed (a perm magnet is "hard" and should be no different to air/vacuum). You could prove the primary part of this hypothesis (that the transistor never actually turns "on") right or wrong in a few seconds :- Simply break the connection to the collector of the transistor. If there is almost no change in the waveforms then the hypothesis is right. If there is a major change then the hypothesis is wrong and you can trash what I have just written. While I might have Stephan's attention I would very much like to ask a simple question - what is the accepted status around here of the Finsrud "perpetuum mobile" which is featured on his website? Has anyone examined it thorougly to be able to testify that there is no hidden power source whatsoever inside? If not, why not, and if so then why doesn't someone try to duplicate it maybe in a simpler if less artistic form. Maybe that is virtually what the SMOT is? There is this thread going of "Overunity devices that work, nobody pays any attention ?" and according to Stephan's website this seems to be a prime example of one that has been working for months in public display and with guys on this forum who seem to know all about it! Please explain this puzzle for me! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 1 12:32:56 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id MAA32318; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 12:31:21 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 12:31:21 -0700 Comments: ( Received on motgate.mot.com from client pobox.mot.com, sender johnste@me525.ecg.csg.mot.com ) From: "John E. Steck" Message-Id: <971001142558.ZM18666@me525.ecg.csg.mot.com> Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 14:25:57 -0500 In-Reply-To: Peter Jason Aldo "Re: THE SPINDIZZY" (Oct 1, 11:36am) References: X-Mailer: Z-Mail (4.0.1 13Jan97) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: THE SPINDIZZY Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"NzJ421.0.ru7.7KgCq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1089 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Oct 1, 11:36am, Peter Jason Aldo wrote: > On Tue, 30 Sep 1997, John E. Steck wrote: >> Humor me a moment, where do you see the excess energy coming FROM? > > The energy supposedly comes from centrifugal force. I know conventional > science says centrifugal force is not a force, however not everyone > agrees with this. So your anonymous author is implying that the working fluid somehow picks up inertia while subject to centripital force in the turbine? OK, lets try and guess the logic here. Since increasing mass is unlikely I will guess he/she is looking for a velocity loophole to enhance inertia. I will further assume he/she is building his/her first premise on the fluid dynamic effect of pressure drop and acceleration by the restriction in flow volume created by the nozzels. The second premise would then have to be the increase in velocity is a contributing factor not a conversion factor in the system. Based on the first two, applies this velocity to the existing mass to increase inertia, then concludes excess in the system. Now, all that would remain to make the system self perpetuating would be to close the fluid loop. Give the turbine an initial start up velocity -> which draws the fluid out the nozzels by centripital force and molecular adhesion -> creates a presure drop and adds velocity to the fluid in the nozzels -> the increased velocity increases inertia of the fluid -> the inertial excess of the fluid is used to further turn the turbine -> the pressure drop in the nozzles draws more fluid in -> and the whole thing starts over and keeps going faster and faster until an equalibrium is achieved. Sounds great, but the second premise misinterpretation kills the whole thing. If this is in fact the logic involved, the author forgot about the thermodynamics of the system. The system gets the velocity energy from the conversion of latent heat energy in the fluid with the drop in pressure in the nozzels (I think an illustrating gas law equation is PV=nRT, pressure*volume=moles*constant*temperature). No excess created, existing converted. Essentially it is a energy shell game. 8^) -- John E. Steck Prototype Tooling Motorola Inc. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 1 12:45:53 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id MAA03557; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 12:45:34 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 12:45:34 -0700 X-Sender: leoguitar@mail.vossnet.de (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Re: Comments about Overunity proof TEP article ! Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 21:44:19 +0100 Message-Id: <19971001214419.63f2346c.in@pop3.vossnet.de> Resent-Message-ID: <"bgDip3.0.Nt.SXgCq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1090 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 18:18 01.10.1997 +0100, freenrg-l@eskimo.com wrote: >At 12:40 1/10/97 +0100, Stefan Hartmann wrote: > >>I did not receive a single comment about this article... >> >>It is too complicated for all to read ?? > >It is pretty hard to work out what is going on in your circuit. After= looking >at it for some time it seems that it is really not doing what it seems that >you >hope it should be doing (although even that is rather hard to work out!) > >If it is not doing what you think it is doing then any mathematical >analysis is going to be a case of "garbage in -> garbage out". > >So here is what I am guessing is going on :- The emitter of your >transistor is >sitting near the positive rail and since the output of the 555 can only >swing to >within a volt or two of the rail, I would guess that your transistor is= never >getting turned "on" when the 555 output switches high. When the output of= the >555 switches low, it goes very close to zero and so -ve 12 volts will be >applied to the base of the transistor (w.r.t the emitter) via the 1K base >resistor. However, typical transistors cannot handle this sort of reverse >polarity and will break down (usually non-destructively) like a zener diode= at >around 5 volts. So the output of the 555 switching between 0 and say 10= volts >with a 5 volt zener in series is effectively a 5 volt peak-peak square wave >applied through a 1K resistor to the high end of the load resistor. This >gives >the sharp rising and falling edges of the measured waveform and their >approximate amplitude. The exponential decay shape immediately following= the >sharp edge looks to be due to remnant (uncancelled) inductance in your= bifilar >coil responding to the step voltage change. This is suggested by the= shorter >decay time when the "soft" core is removed (a perm magnet is "hard" and= should >be no different to air/vacuum). > >You could prove the primary part of this hypothesis (that the transistor= never >actually turns "on") right or wrong in a few seconds :- Simply break the >connection to the collector of the transistor. If there is almost no >change in >the waveforms then the hypothesis is right. If there is a major change >then the >hypothesis is wrong and you can trash what I have just written. We will test it ourself at the weekend with a normal manual switch to see what is happening ! But I am sure this comes from the coil switching and is no effect from the transistor. >While I might have Stephan's attention I would very much like to ask a= simple >question - what is the accepted status around here of the Finsrud= "perpetuum >mobile" which is featured on his website? Has anyone examined it thorougly= to >be able to testify that there is no hidden power source whatsoever inside? = If >not, why not, and if so then why doesn't someone try to duplicate it maybe >in a >simpler if less artistic form. Maybe that is virtually what the SMOT is? >There >is this thread going of "Overunity devices that work, nobody pays any >attention >?" and according to Stephan's website this seems to be a prime example of= one >that has been working for months in public display and with guys on this= forum >who seem to know all about it! Please explain this puzzle for me! > > I heard that the Finsrud PM stopps afetr a few weeks due to the limitation of the special glue it has in its foot-stand. It dries out and then it is not anymore flexible enough to assist in the rotation of the axises.... But it surely delivers more energy than put into it when started ! I also don=B4t know, why nobody cares about it more... This is a shame.. I will again call my associate in Denamrk to hear waht is happening with the Finsrud device... Maybe behind closed doors is worked already on a much better unit ??? Best regards, Stefan. > > > -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 1 14:13:25 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id OAA29538; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 14:12:47 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 14:12:47 -0700 Message-ID: <3432BBC6.AFFDA5A7@mail.idt.net> Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 17:08:22 -0400 From: Josef Katz X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Hydronic and Rogers GIFs References: <199709252330.JAA12620@nornet.nor.com.au> <3431B03A.2098@tiac.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"546Yx3.0.PD7.EphCq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1091 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I also want to see the gifs -joey katz From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 1 14:41:11 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id OAA05485 for bilb@eskimo.com; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 14:41:07 -0700 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 14:41:07 -0700 X-Envelope-From: zaxfri@hol.gr Wed Oct 1 14:41:03 1997 Received: from prometheus.hol.gr (root@prometheus.hol.gr [194.30.220.120]) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA05408 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 14:40:59 -0700 Received: from hol.gr (port5.ath3.tc.hol.gr [194.30.216.136]) by prometheus.hol.gr (8.8.5/11.4.0) with ESMTP id AAA14929 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 00:36:58 -0200 (GMT) Posted-Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 00:36:58 -0200 (GMT) Message-ID: <3432C36F.7BA95FD7@hol.gr> Old-Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 23:41:03 +0200 From: "Zachary C. Fridman" Reply-To: zaxfri@hol.gr Organization: HOL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Hydronic and Rogers GIFs References: <199709252330.JAA12620@nornet.nor.com.au> <3431B03A.2098@tiac.net> <3432BBC6.AFFDA5A7@mail.idt.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Diagnostic: Not on the accept list X-Envelope-To: freenrg-l Status: RO X-Status: Please send me the gifs Zachary C. Fridman From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 1 15:02:59 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id PAA14780; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 15:02:33 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 15:02:33 -0700 Message-Id: <199710012202.PAA16023@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: Overunity proof TEP article ONLINE ! Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 15:10:40 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"WjX2p3.0.mc3.tXiCq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1092 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi Jack, > > I have a few problems with the analysis though. Before > commenting at length, I'll try to verify what has been > proposed. That will take some time.... I would to see any experimental reports, positive and negative. The TEP circuits as presented on Jean-louis and Stefan's websites are quite varied, with varied results. The optimum circuit has not been acheived. It probably would be a large bifilar air coil (or possibly a hi-perm core) with a short (nS) ON pulse. Knowing your switching expertise, I am sure you could devise a great circuit to switch such a pulse into a NI low resistance load. I think the results would be very interesting! > > Right out of the shute, I find the non-explanation for the > 4-5 Volt jump "due to parametric switching of the bifilar coil" > objectionable. It should be expressed as a formula, not as a > fudge factor. Until that can be done, the circuit is not fully > understood. The circuit is NOT understood! That is why it is interesting. Ironically, considering my earlier love of all things parametric, I do not agree with the idea that the output energy comes from a parametric source. It may, but it is just as likely to be purely inductive, that is, back EMF as with a collapsing magnetic field. Of course, the interesting question arises, WHAT magnetic field? With all due respects to Stefan and his great work in the TEP project, there is no agreement on what this circuit means, and his report is just that, his report, and reflects only his opinion, and that of Dieter Bauer. > Of course, as always, that's just my opinion. I could be wrong. My favorite saying.. you took the words right out of my mouth ;-) Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 1 15:17:28 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id PAA20351; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 15:17:00 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 15:17:00 -0700 From: Keasy@aol.com Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 18:16:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971001181504_2065427121@emout15.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: THE SPINDIZZY Resent-Message-ID: <"WlHn41.0.uz4.QliCq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1093 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi Jeff, Regarding the earth-moon system and the moon moving away from the earth because of tides and other energy losses, I agree this is not obvious. There are really three angular momentums (and rotational energy) contributions: the earth, the moon, and the earth-moon system. The minimum total rotational energy, which will occur WAY in the future is when the earth, moon, and earth-moon system all rotate together at 7.0 revolutions per current earth year. The moon will be some 500,000 miles or so (I have forgotten the exact distance) away. Incidently, they have measured (with retroreflectors on the moon) the moon moving away from the earth. It is obviously VERY slowly moving. Ken Keasy@aol.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 1 15:29:42 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id PAA25299; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 15:29:08 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 15:29:08 -0700 Message-Id: Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Frank C. Earl" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 17:33:50 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: (MER) Werjefelt documents given ok for web! Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.42a) Resent-Message-ID: <"xZFdk.0.3B6.pwiCq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1094 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > >A good 300-600 DPI flatbed scanner would do it best. Read the above... > I heard that the jpg format at 72 dpi scan is best. > one is that 72 dpi is what quite a few monitors are able to display. > also, jpeg give more colors and that this format also takes up less > memory. Now I am NOT sure about this but maybe having said what I > have said will stimulate more conversation on this subject. I/we will all > learn from this in case others want to duplicate other materials. Jpeg's are optimal for Truecolor images- like photographs and raytracings (Hence the acronym that makes up JPEG- Joint Photographic Experts Group). First problem with 72 dpi- most modern scanners don't scan to that resolution. Second problem with that resolution- 72 dpi is at a lower resolution than a FAX, so images will look like a very bad fax (This can be a problem for things like patents). Third problem with that resolution- many documents, while they can be (and will be) viewed on a monitor screen will also be printed to hardcopy; most image viewers are resolution independent and merely show the pixels as they are in the file and printing 72 dpi while it is quick, is an ugly mess to look at and can cause poor reproduction of the document in question. No, the optimal format would be for someone to scan at 300, or preferably, 600 dpi and use TIFF as the file format (TIFF is used by every computer platform out there. Failing that or for special requirements (like WWW exposure) something along the same scan resolutions using PNG (Preferred!) or GIF (Not so preferred!). Scanning color resolutions for the images probably should be like this: - Black and white text: Bitonal. (Black and White) - Anything with greys: 256 Greyscale. - Anything that color doesn't matter in the document: 256 Greyscale. - Any document with truecolors in it or that color is important to the document: 16 Million Color (24-bit) -- Frank C. Earl Earl Consulting Services ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Pursuant to USC 47, there is a $500 per incident charge for each and every piece of Unsolicited Commercial Email (UCE) sent to this or any of my other addresses. Sending UCE's to any of my addresses implys general acceptance of these terms. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 1 15:54:47 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id PAA05089; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 15:54:20 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 15:54:20 -0700 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 15:54:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710012254.PAA24161@denmark.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: GSEA 2.1 - Tests Update Resent-Message-ID: <"9QxL-2.0.uE1.PIjCq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1095 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi Jean-Louis, I visited your site and read the short description by Prof Seike there. What is special/needed about a MESA transistor? The original TI 2N3055 (TO-3 package) was a single-diffused mesa transistor. Those made now most likely are planar. I could find other 2N numbers if that would help. >I need to find MESA junction type transistor and reconduct this test to be in >conformity with the original design of Prof. Seike. If someone could help me >to find some kind of transistor ( with an european reference, please ), he is >welcome. > >Sincerely, -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 1 16:22:42 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id QAA18832; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 16:22:10 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 16:22:10 -0700 Message-Id: <199710012321.QAA13504@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: (MER) Werjefelt documents given ok for web! Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 16:27:54 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"855D-3.0.9c4.WijCq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1096 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi Frank, Butch, and all, > No, the optimal format would be for someone to scan at 300, or > preferably, 600 dpi and use TIFF as the file format (TIFF is used by > every computer platform out there. > > Failing that or for special requirements (like WWW exposure) > something along the same scan resolutions using PNG (Preferred!) or > GIF (Not so preferred!). I've gotten pretty good at scanning text and pictures in 300 dpi GIF, don't know about the other formats. What's more inportant is the committment to do the work. It takes about 2 minutes in all for me to scan a page, turn it into a gif, and put it in an email. It adds up when you do 50-100 a week (not counting procrastination time ;-) but I think it is an important part of the deveolment of alternative science, which I blieve in. I have a theory that the scanner is actually as important as the internet as a social invention, because most of the info in the world is in libraries in relatively had to access form, where the medium where info is the most fluid is the internet. The scanner links them together. It does for books and magazines what the sampler does for music. Fred > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 1 16:26:45 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id QAA19938; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 16:26:17 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 16:26:17 -0700 X-Sender: leoguitar@mail.vossnet.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: John Winterflood From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Finsrud Device secrets... Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, newman-l@emachine.com Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 01:25:30 +0100 Message-Id: <19971002012530.64bcb4e7.in@pop3.vossnet.de> Resent-Message-ID: <"2z_El.0.Gt4.MmjCq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1097 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 23:04 01.10.1997 +0100, John Winterflood wrote: >Dear Stefan, > >Thanks for your quick reply. Maybe I should ask you some quick questions >directly instead of to the list. > >>I heard that the Finsrud PM stopps after a few weeks due to the limitation >>of the special glue it has in its foot-stand. It dries out and then it is >>not anymore flexible enough to assist in the rotation of the axises.... > >This doesn't really make sense. All soft plastic, rubber, glue type >substances are much more lossy than metallic springs - so someone who knew >what they were doing should have used a high Q-factor material like metal >if they needed flexibility. This possibly provides more evidence that the >device is truly over-unity for the following reason :- The glue is in the foot stand which holds a special permanent magnet= plate... This plate has to move a bit and thus the glue must have a special adhaesions-factor (flexibility..) if it dries out, it stops the magnet plate moving and the device comes to a stillstand... > >I have been working a lot with seismic isolation recently and it occurred >to me that it would be possible to design an apparent "perpetual motion >machine" which is driven by the earths seismic motion (which is minute >- measured in microns - but very powerful - the entire surface of the >earth - buildings, mountains, etc all all shaken with it). But I think >it would be necessary to design everything for minimum losses - ie high >Q-factor materials throughout. So I have wondered whether that could be >the principle on which the Finsrud machine works - even though the >designer/builder doesn't know it! Yes, it could be, that it uses this little shaking power of all our= surroundings and amplifies it.. Finsrud also speaks about chaotic movement in his description ! > >>But it surely delivers more energy than put into it when started ! > >That certainly would seem to be the case unless there is some hidden supply >"for control purposes only" for instance. Can you positively assert that >there is NO battery in the device and NO supply running to it? Is there >someone I could communicate with who has had opportunity to inspect it >closely - sufficiently to find out any hidden electromagnet etc? If I can >be reasonably convinced that this is so, I may be willing to find the= travel >costs etc necessary to inspect it myself. I am from Australia and= currently >working in Italy. I shall be returning to Australia via London in about a >weeks time and so that would be the only time in the next year or so that I >could pay Denmark (or is it Finland?) a visit at reasonable cost. No, there are no hidden batteries anywhere. I have a drawing of its inner parts, which is not yet online... You could talk by FAX to Mr. Albert Hauser from Denmark who has inspected the machine very closely and has made this drawing.. > >>I also don=B4t know, why nobody cares about it more... >> >>This is a shame.. >> >>I will again call my associate in Denmark to hear what is happening with= the >>Finsrud device... > >Maybe you can find out whether the device is inspectable or not? Like I= said >I am interested in inspecting it closely if this is possible. I am an=20 >Electronics Engineer and a Physicist and am very confident of my ability to >find out if there is any conventional explanation for how it could work. >I wouldn't be interested in just looking through the glass. I would want= to >be able to thoroughly inspect everything and preferably take things apart= that >are capable of hiding a power source. Obviously I would need the= aggreement >and cooperation of the designer/builder (Finsrud himself?). Also I can= only >communicate in English which is sometimes a problem in Europe I have found. >So I may need an interpreter. I may be able to find someone who could >interpret for me if the device is in Finland. Okay, I will let you know. I will call Mr. Hauser tommorow... Thanks for your TEP comments , we will work on it during the next few days.. Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 1 16:28:23 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id QAA20748; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 16:28:05 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 16:28:05 -0700 X-Sender: leoguitar@mail.vossnet.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Dave Dameron From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Re: Overunity proof TEP article ONLINE ! Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, newman-l@emachine.com Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 01:29:26 +0100 Message-Id: <19971002012926.64c04ec6.in@pop3.vossnet.de> Resent-Message-ID: <"citOB.0.j35.1ojCq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1098 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 15:53 01.10.1997 -0700, Dave Dameron wrote: >Hi Stefan, >> >>Dieter Bauer has just written the article about the efficiency of the TEP. >> >>You will find it here: >> >>http://206.184.238.67/poover/tep.htm >> >>It is the article of the proof of overunity for the TEP circuit. >> >>P.S.: As I just move my domains to new IP numbers you will also >>soon find it at www.overunity.de >> >Is it there yet? Hope you are having little problems with the >reorganization of your web site. I also went to visit your site to see the >file shteptst.gif, under Devices - TEP - and get a server not responding >error. Is that the same as TEP 6.0? >Thanks again, >-Dave > > Yes, it is there by now ! Also it is now at: http://168.144.2.41/poover/tep.htm which is the new IP address for www.overunity.de but he DNS server changes did not occur yet... Hope you will get it from one of the servers... Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 1 17:02:11 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id RAA07026; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 17:01:43 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 17:01:43 -0700 Message-ID: <7129AED99644D011B55500805FBEB857CF7C07@xch-evt-03.ca.boeing.com> From: "Hinman, Jeffrey M" To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: RE: THE SPINDIZZY Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 16:24:01 -0700 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"AcUdP3.0.aj1.aHkCq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1099 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi Ken. I know this is getting off subject, but the moon thing really bothered me. See below for the explanation. > Hi Jeff, > Regarding the earth-moon system and the moon moving away from the > earth > because of tides and other energy losses, I agree this is not obvious. > There > are really three angular momentums (and rotational energy) > contributions: > the earth, the moon, and the earth-moon system. The minimum total > rotational > energy, which will occur WAY in the future is when the earth, moon, > and > earth-moon system all rotate together at 7.0 revolutions per current > earth > year. The moon will be some 500,000 miles or so (I have forgotten the > exact > distance) away. > Incidently, they have measured (with retroreflectors on the moon) > the moon > moving away from the earth. It is obviously VERY slowly moving. To: vortex-l@eskimo.com cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: (MER) Scanning Werjefelt documents tomorrow Resent-Message-ID: <"BeCIO1.0.fl2.AwlCq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1100 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi all, I will be scanning documents tomorrow and hope to have them on the web as soon as Stefan Hartman can fine time to put them on a web site. Thanks, Butch From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 1 19:11:53 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id TAA15000; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 19:10:58 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 19:10:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 12:14:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Jason Aldo To: vortex Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: THE SPINDIZZY In-Reply-To: <199709301215.HAA21996@natasha.eden.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"MxHyQ2.0.Fg3.kAmCq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1101 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Tue, 30 Sep 1997, Scott Little wrote: > At 11:06 PM 9/29/97 -0700, Fred Epps wrote: > > >Now, before anyone > >protests, I understand that the angular momentum changes as the masses move > >to the outside edge but this does not change the total energy of the disc... > > Yes it does. The KE of any element of a spinning wheel is given by: > > E = (0.5)(m)(r^2)(w^2) > > where m = mass, r = radius, w = angular velocity. To check this, replace > r*w with v (tangential velocity) and you get: > > E = (0.5)(m)(v^2) > > the familiar linear version of the KE eqn. > > So, provided you have a drive motor to maintain w constant, as the masses > move outward (i.e. as r increases) the KE of the spinning structure increases. > > Have you ever wondered why an ice skater can increase the rate of his spin > by pulling in his arms tightly? If your statement above was correct, the > skater's spin rate would NOT increase! Power is measured in speed times torque. The skater would speed up, but his or her torque would decrease. When the skaters arms are reached out, speed decreases but torque increases. The totat energy of skater would stay the same. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Pete From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 1 19:38:18 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id TAA19325; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 19:37:57 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 19:37:57 -0700 (PDT) From: PRobb26666@aol.com Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 22:37:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971001223636_-161300998@emout04.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Hydronic and Rogers GIFs Resent-Message-ID: <"YEs9a2.0.mj4.1amCq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1102 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I'm interested in the GIFs too. Patrick Robbins From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 1 19:50:59 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id TAA12940; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 19:50:43 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 19:50:43 -0700 Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 12:50:22 +1000 Message-Id: <199710020250.MAA00670@nornet.nor.com.au> X-Sender: openway@pophost.nor.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Peter Nielsen Subject: Re: Re : Re: G-Strain Energy Absorber V2.1 - Test results Resent-Message-ID: <"ScCfk.0.5A3.2mmCq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1103 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >"The main goal of theses series of tests is to verify the frequency shifting >of the Prof. Seike Transistorized Coil presented at the Toronto congress." > And what about Seike's claimed weight loss? Peter Nielsen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 1 22:48:29 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id WAA00488; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 22:48:10 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 22:48:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: leoguitar@mail.vossnet.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Re: Overunity proof TEP article ONLINE ! Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 07:43:25 +0100 Message-Id: <19971002074325.6616b02a.in@pop3.vossnet.de> Resent-Message-ID: <"DXgi42.0.U7.NMpCq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1104 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 15:10 01.10.1997 -0700, freenrg-l@eskimo.com wrote: >Hi Jack, > >> >> I have a few problems with the analysis though. Before >> commenting at length, I'll try to verify what has been >> proposed. That will take some time.... > >I would to see any experimental reports, positive and negative. The TEP >circuits as presented on Jean-louis and Stefan's websites are quite varied, >with varied results. The optimum circuit has not been acheived. It >probably would be a large bifilar air coil (or possibly a hi-perm core) >with a short (nS) ON pulse. Knowing your switching expertise, I am sure you >could devise a great circuit to switch such a pulse into a NI low >resistance load. I think the results would be very interesting! >> >> Right out of the shute, I find the non-explanation for the >> 4-5 Volt jump "due to parametric switching of the bifilar coil" >> objectionable. It should be expressed as a formula, not as a >> fudge factor. Until that can be done, the circuit is not fully >> understood. > >The circuit is NOT understood! That is why it is interesting. Ironically, >considering my earlier love of all things parametric, I do not agree with >the idea that the output energy comes from a parametric source. It may, >but it is just as likely to be purely inductive, that is, back EMF as with >a collapsing magnetic field. Of course, the interesting question arises, >WHAT magnetic field? It seems it comes from the dL/dt jump due to switching the coils ! > >With all due respects to Stefan and his great work in the TEP project, >there is no agreement on what this circuit means, and his report is just >that, his report, and reflects only his opinion, and that of Dieter Bauer. > >> Of course, as always, that's just my opinion. I could be wrong. > >My favorite saying.. you took the words right out of my mouth ;-) We will try it ourself this weekend with a few tests . Regards, Stefan. > >Fred > > > > > -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 1 23:01:16 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id XAA01965; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 23:00:45 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 23:00:45 -0700 (PDT) From: JNaudin509@aol.com Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 02:00:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971002020007_-1596738121@emout07.mail.aol.com> To: ddameron@earthlink.net cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re : Re: GSEA 2.1 - Tests Update Resent-Message-ID: <"IPB3h3.0.WU.9YpCq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1105 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On 02/10/1997 01:11:19 , Dave wrote : << Hi Jean-Louis, I visited your site and read the short description by Prof Seike there. What is special/needed about a MESA transistor? The original TI 2N3055 (TO-3 package) was a single-diffused mesa transistor. Those made now most likely are planar. I could find other 2N numbers if that would help. >> Thanks, Dave, In the original his design, the Prof. Seike has used 2SC521A Silicon Triple diffused MESA Transistors ( in Jan 81), I don't have the equivalent reference in my transistors handbook about this transistor. In others experiments about a G-Power generator using Barium-Strontium-Titanate disc and ferrite-block, Prof. Seike has used 2SC42s as a final stage transistors. I am interested to know the specs and equivalent reference (europeean) of these two transistors 2SC521A and 2SC42s. I think that the junction type ( MESA triple diffused ) as a major role, because the main effect ( G-Strain Energy pumping ) is done by the move of the holes in the transistor's junction. I have conducted others test with my actual GSEA device at a constant temperature, it "seems" that I am able to detect some frequency shifting ( 30khz down ), but I need to check again and reconduct the test soon. I think that the most important is to reproduce the same Seike's setup ( as closer as possible ), before. By this way, I shall be able to understand how the transistorized coil work and how G-Energy can be tapped. I look forward to receive your informations about these transistors, Sincerely, ( This mail has been sent at 05h55 GMT on 02 October 97 ) Jean-Louis Naudin ( France / GMT+2 ) Email : JNaudin509@aol.com my Overunity WEB Server : http://members.aol.com/JNaudin509/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 2 00:58:29 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id AAA26387; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 00:55:41 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 00:55:41 -0700 Message-Id: <199710020755.JAA43466@sdn5.csc.dk> From: i3683@csc.dk (I3683) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 10:47:00 CET DST Subject: Ang.: Finsrud Device secrets... MIME-Version: 1.0 cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <"wh3Vu.0.CS6.yDrCq"@mx1> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1106 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: =20 >>I heard that the Finsrud PM stopps after a few weeks due to the limita= tion=20 >>of the special glue it has in its foot-stand. It dries out and then it= is=20 >>not anymore flexible enough to assist in the rotation of the axises....= It stops after for example 14 days. But not due to glue drying out and h= aving to be changed. If it is set in motion again it will run for a new period of= up to=20 14 days. >This doesn't really make sense. All soft plastic, rubber, glue type=20 >substances are much more lossy than metallic springs - so someone who k= new=20 >what they were doing should have used a high Q-factor material like met= al=20 >if they needed flexibility. This possibly provides more evidence that = the=20 >device is truly over-unity for the following reason :- =20 The central pendulum is suspended on a lossy rubber material, not a = high Q factor material. =20 =20 >The glue is in the foot stand which holds a special permanent magnet=20 >plate... This plate has to move a bit and thus the glue must have a=20 >special adhaesions-factor (flexibility..) There is a special glue in the central pendulum, which is somehow essent= ial for=20 the working of the machine. This is not a glue that dries out with time,= but it=20 might change with time. It seems uncertain exactly what the special glue= is=20 doing, and why it is essential. >I have been working a lot with seismic isolation recently and it occurr= ed=20 >to me that it would be possible to design an apparent "perpetual motion = >machine" which is driven by the earths seismic motion (which is minute >- measured in microns - but very powerful - the entire surface of the=20 >earth - buildings, mountains, etc all all shaken with it). But I think = >it would be necessary to design everything for minimum losses - ie high = >Q-factor materials throughout. So I have wondered whether that could b= e=20 >the principle on which the Finsrud machine works - even though the=20 >designer/builder doesn't know it! Interesting idea. However the Finsrud machine is quite lossy, and would = have to pick up a lot of seismic energy, which seems unlikely. =20 > Can you positively assert that >there is NO battery in the device and = NO=20 >supply running to it?=20 I have inspected the machine and used a magnetometer around it, and aske= d=20 Finsrud whether there was a hidden electromagnet. Finsrud denied it=20 convincingly, and the magnetometer showed no trace of an electromagnet. = I=20 would say there is no hidden electromagnet under the machine. But I cann= ot be=20 totally certain. > so that would be the only time in the next year or so that I >could pa= y=20 >Denmark (or is it Finland?) a visit at reasonable cost. It is Norway, near Oslo, and you would have to make certain that the art=20 gallery with the machine is open for visitors, by phoning Finsrud. His=20 phonenumer is usually available from the Oslo Tourist Office Web page... >>I also don=B4t know, why nobody cares about it more...=20 >> >>This is a shame.. >> Indeed. >I wouldn't be interested in just looking through the glass. I would wa= nt to=20 >be able to thoroughly inspect everything and preferably take things apa= rt that=20 >are capable of hiding a power source. =20 You wouldnt be allowed to take things apart. The machine is fragile... Anders From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 2 01:38:41 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id BAA32655; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 01:38:24 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 01:38:24 -0700 Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 21:04:10 +1000 Message-Id: <199710021104.VAA13639@main.murray.net.au> X-Sender: egel@main.murray.net.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Geoff Egel Subject: Re: (MER) Werjefelt documents given ok for web! Resent-Message-ID: <"QtOiq3.0.8-7.-rrCq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1107 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 04:27 PM 10/1/97 -0700, you wrote: >Hi Frank, Butch, and all, yes I agree the scanner is a wonder invention and linked to internet even more so. I have typed Doc to add to web and it seems THE OCR package supplied will cut down my two finger typing time considerably. Geoff http://www2.murray.net.au/users/egel http://geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab?1135 >> No, the optimal format would be for someone to scan at 300, or >> preferably, 600 dpi and use TIFF as the file format (TIFF is used by >> every computer platform out there. >> >> Failing that or for special requirements (like WWW exposure) >> something along the same scan resolutions using PNG (Preferred!) or >> GIF (Not so preferred!). > >I've gotten pretty good at scanning text and pictures in 300 dpi GIF, don't >know about the other formats. What's more inportant is the committment to >do the work. It takes about 2 minutes in all for me to scan a page, turn >it into a gif, and put it in an email. It adds up when you do 50-100 a >week (not counting procrastination time ;-) but I think it is an important >part of the deveolment of alternative science, which I blieve in. I have a >theory that the scanner is actually as important as the internet as a >social invention, because most of the info in the world is in libraries in >relatively had to access form, where the medium where info is the most >fluid is the internet. The scanner links them together. It does for books >and magazines what the sampler does for music. > >Fred >> > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 2 01:42:29 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id BAA00208; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 01:42:21 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 01:42:21 -0700 Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 21:07:47 +1000 Message-Id: <199710021107.VAA13664@main.murray.net.au> X-Sender: egel@main.murray.net.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Geoff Egel Subject: Re: Finsrud Device secrets... Resent-Message-ID: <"mE_901.0.33.ivrCq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1108 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 01:25 AM 10/2/97 +0100, you wrote: >At 23:04 01.10.1997 +0100, John Winterflood wrote: >> I am still interested in this devicem love to add a web article on my Solaris site if I could get some reliable information and some detailed diagrams and photographs (digital) Geoff http://www2.murray.net.au/users/egel Dear Stefan, >> >>Thanks for your quick reply. Maybe I should ask you some quick questions >>directly instead of to the list. >> >>>I heard that the Finsrud PM stopps after a few weeks due to the= limitation >>>of the special glue it has in its foot-stand. It dries out and then it is >>>not anymore flexible enough to assist in the rotation of the axises.... >> >>This doesn't really make sense. All soft plastic, rubber, glue type >>substances are much more lossy than metallic springs - so someone who knew >>what they were doing should have used a high Q-factor material like metal >>if they needed flexibility. This possibly provides more evidence that the >>device is truly over-unity for the following reason :- > >The glue is in the foot stand which holds a special permanent magnet= plate... >This plate has to move a bit and thus the glue must have a special >adhaesions-factor (flexibility..) >if it dries out, it stops the magnet plate moving and the device comes >to a stillstand... > >> >>I have been working a lot with seismic isolation recently and it occurred >>to me that it would be possible to design an apparent "perpetual motion >>machine" which is driven by the earths seismic motion (which is minute >>- measured in microns - but very powerful - the entire surface of the >>earth - buildings, mountains, etc all all shaken with it). But I think >>it would be necessary to design everything for minimum losses - ie high >>Q-factor materials throughout. So I have wondered whether that could be >>the principle on which the Finsrud machine works - even though the >>designer/builder doesn't know it! > >Yes, it could be, that it uses this little shaking power of all our surroundings >and amplifies it.. >Finsrud also speaks about chaotic movement in his description ! > > >> >>>But it surely delivers more energy than put into it when started ! >> >>That certainly would seem to be the case unless there is some hidden= supply >>"for control purposes only" for instance. Can you positively assert that >>there is NO battery in the device and NO supply running to it? Is there >>someone I could communicate with who has had opportunity to inspect it >>closely - sufficiently to find out any hidden electromagnet etc? If I can >>be reasonably convinced that this is so, I may be willing to find the= travel >>costs etc necessary to inspect it myself. I am from Australia and= currently >>working in Italy. I shall be returning to Australia via London in about a >>weeks time and so that would be the only time in the next year or so that= I >>could pay Denmark (or is it Finland?) a visit at reasonable cost. > >No, there are no hidden batteries anywhere. I have >a drawing of its inner parts, which is not yet online... > >You could talk by FAX to Mr. Albert Hauser from Denmark who has >inspected the machine very closely and has made this drawing.. > >> >>>I also don=B4t know, why nobody cares about it more... >>> >>>This is a shame.. >>> >>>I will again call my associate in Denmark to hear what is happening with= the >>>Finsrud device... >> >>Maybe you can find out whether the device is inspectable or not? Like I= said >>I am interested in inspecting it closely if this is possible. I am an=20 >>Electronics Engineer and a Physicist and am very confident of my ability= to >>find out if there is any conventional explanation for how it could work. >>I wouldn't be interested in just looking through the glass. I would want= to >>be able to thoroughly inspect everything and preferably take things apart= that >>are capable of hiding a power source. Obviously I would need the= aggreement >>and cooperation of the designer/builder (Finsrud himself?). Also I can= only >>communicate in English which is sometimes a problem in Europe I have= found. >>So I may need an interpreter. I may be able to find someone who could >>interpret for me if the device is in Finland. > >Okay, I will let you know. > >I will call Mr. Hauser tommorow... > >Thanks for your TEP comments , >we will work on it during the next few days.. > >Regards, Stefan. >-- >Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann >Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany >Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 >email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 2 04:00:50 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id EAA12022; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 04:00:22 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 04:00:22 -0700 Message-Id: <34338C3E.D60@tu-bs.de> Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 12:57:50 +0100 From: Tameer Hohnsbein Reply-To: T.Hohnsbein@tu-bs.de Organization: Technische Universität Braunschweig X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold [de] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Fw: EUROPE TRIP , METHERNITHA AND COLER DEVICE References: <199709301931.MAA17822@mail1.halcyon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"hkKWL1.0.lx2.5xtCq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1109 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi Martin , Fred Epps forwarded: > > ---------- > > From: kami > > To: FRED > > Subject: EUROPE TRIP , METHERNITHA AND COLER DEVICE > > Date: Tuesday, September 30, 1997 4:07 PM > > My example of the Coler device is finished today (finally) tomorrow I > > begin with tests. I am very interested in the tests, and I think many people of the freenrg-L are too. Is your example built as described in the BIOS report ? > > Please make my apologies known to Tameer who I said I would try > > and contact regarding free energy whilst I was in Europe , I just didn't > > have time what with work and everything. No problem, I didn't have much time too. We'll meet some other time :-) Good luck with your tests ! Best Regards Tameer -- Tameer Hohnsbein, Hagenring 80, 38106 Braunschweig, Germany E-Mail: T.Hohnsbein@tu-bs.de phone : ++49 531 / 335348 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 2 08:22:30 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id IAA20063; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 08:21:57 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 08:21:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 08:21:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710021521.IAA19622@denmark.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: Overunity proof TEP article ONLINE ! Resent-Message-ID: <"gMImj2.0.Nv4.HmxCq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1110 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi Stefan and everyone! I found and read Dieter Bauer's TEP article and found it very interesting and easy to understand! It reminds me of the power problem: A battery, say 12V is connected to a resistor load. The current is V/R. and the power is V*V/R. Now a sine wave generator is inserted into the circuit so the voltage across the resistor is V(battery)+ sin(omega t). The power given by the battery (time average) is the same, as well as the voltage across the R. But the power in the R increases, it is supplied by the sine generator. So the BIG question asked by this paper is: Can the TEP coils supply any power in this manner??? I have three comments: In eqn. 4, the last term should be exp(-2*deltat/Tau). Insert the 2. (from the squared term). This doesn't really affect the conclusion. When you assume the +/- pulses can be treated separately in time, you assume that deltat >> Tau. In this case, the efficiency reduces to not ou, 100%. This can be fixed. by the pulses overlapping and taken together. For example, assume V(battery) = 12 volts and deltaV = 4V. When the + pulse decays to 12+ 1 volt, the - pulse comes, producing 13-4 = 9 volts. When this decays to 12-1 volt, the positive pulse comes, producing 11+4 = 15 volt. This continues in the steady state. The pulse peaks are now only +/- 3 volt. I don't remember the exact relation of Tau to this offset, but it should be taken into account in the integrations. I think it will make the resultant formula's more complicated, but in the same general form. The Big question, though, is - are the +/- pulses the same amplitude??? It isn't clear they are, if so POWER IS provided by the coils! It isn't clear that the coils are switched, though in this circuit as it is. I wrote on 9/16: >Something seems wrong. The back EMF pulses look the same in both >directions, like a normal coil switched. When the coil is switched ON to NI, >there should not be a "Long" >decay pulse. Like the photo you sent me I2onI1sw.jpg from Jean-Louis. >Possibly the 2N3055 is not on for small voltages = ohmic drop across coil >where the 2N3055 is connected. Needs to be >Vce.(sat.). But then the coil is >always NI... then what are the >+/- pulses??? And what is switched? Time scale? (to see if appears to be 1/2 >bifilar inductive response) That's why I wired the "simple switcher" the way I >did (Coil in parallel, switched open) and used a MOSFET. Another thought, if >the 1K load is in the emitter receives voltage from the left coil, e.g. emitter >~ battery voltage, and the base received only a divided 555 output(< battery >voltage to base circuit), the transistor >never will be on. Switching only by S1... > That is, the 2N3055 transistor isn't switched on, as someone noted, and even if it was, the low voltage across the coil (12mA* 1 Ohm) is much less than V(ce- sat) so it wouldn't conduct. So I don't know where the pulses are from??? So I look foward very much to Stefan's new tests this weekend!!! -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 2 09:05:49 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id JAA28591; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 09:05:30 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 09:05:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Keasy@aol.com Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 12:04:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971002115800_231927306@emout01.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: THE SPINDIZZY Resent-Message-ID: <"u65O73.0.d-6.7PyCq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1111 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hello all, Regarding the ice skater who speeds up his spin by pulling in his arms, this is really quite interesting. By pulling in (and doing work) with his arms, he is adding to his rotational energy, but his angular momentum remains constant. And the decrease in his angular inertia, I , requires that w increase substantially for the momentum Iw to remain constant. But when he lets out his arms some of his rotational energy is converted into pulling his arms, just as gravitational energy goes into our legs as we walk down a hill. But his angular momentum does not change, I has increased, so he slows down. BUT, this brings up a problem that has bothered me for years. When we do walk down a hill, and the same amount of energy goes into our legs as we had to use to struggle UP the hill, WHERE??? does all that energy go? (It can't just disappear, it has to appear in some form somewhere). Anyone know, or any suggestions? Ken Keasy@aol.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 2 10:13:49 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id KAA09542; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 10:13:28 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 10:13:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7129AED99644D011B55500805FBEB857CF7C0C@xch-evt-03.ca.boeing.com> From: "Hinman, Jeffrey M" To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: RE: THE SPINDIZZY Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 09:54:19 -0700 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"SheCE2.0.zK2.sOzCq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1112 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi Ken. > But when he lets out his arms some of his rotational energy is > converted > into pulling his arms, just as gravitational energy goes into our legs > as we > walk down a hill. But his angular momentum does not change, I has > increased, > so he slows down. > BUT, this brings up a problem that has bothered me for years. > When we do > walk down a hill, and the same amount of energy goes into our legs as > we had > to use to struggle UP the hill, WHERE??? does all that energy go? (It > can't > just disappear, it has to appear in some form somewhere). Anyone > know, or > any suggestions? > Ken Keasy@aol.com > The energy is lost in our own body as heat. The human body is far from the most efficient MECHANICAL device. It is certainly very efficient in converting chemical energy for use, but our muscles are not gears and hydraulic lines. It takes muscle energy to extend and retract our limbs, unlike a hydraulic piston (work only required to exert force). Your body cannot convert motion into stored energy. It only converts chemical energy for use and storage for future use. That's why we use horses, automobiles, jets, etc. Hope that helps. Jeff Hinman From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 2 10:25:14 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id KAA18394; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 10:23:13 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 10:23:13 -0700 X-Sender: leoguitar@mail.vossnet.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, newman-l@emachine.com From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Which equation is this ? Cc: wharton@climate.gsfc.nasa.gov Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 19:23:53 +0100 Message-Id: <19971002192353.6897faf5.in@pop3.vossnet.de> Resent-Message-ID: <"R3PV52.0.IV4._XzCq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1113 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I am posting this from Dieter Bauer: >Suj : E&M OU theory >Date : 01/10/1997 19:53:40 >From: wharton@climate.gsfc.nasa.gov (Larry Wharton) >Reply-to: vortex-l@eskimo.com >To: vortex-l@eskimo.com > > With many electro-magnetic devices being suggested here as overunity >I thought it would be worthwhile to give the necessary condition for >overunity operation assuming standard E&M theory. I will treat the >magnetic problem and the electric result may be obtained by subsituting >E and D for H and B. I will take the conservation of energy to be > > d/dt(energy density) + div(energy flux) = B . d/dt(H) - J . E > >with d denoting partial derivitives and B and H the usual vectors and J the >current >density. This formula is valid for the time average in the case of the >machine being operated in a cycle. In that case we have > Hallo Jean-Louis ! I looked over Larry Wharton remarks and I finished it after the first formula line . The cause is that he cites there something similar like the Pointing energy equation of electrodynamics (which is the standard) without saying why or wherefrom he has this modified equation.. Under this conditions I would ask him wherefrom this formula comes from. I never would build up a theory on a non standard equation before I know why it has implemented the deviations. Best regards Dieter -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 2 10:42:25 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id KAA14194; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 10:39:20 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 10:39:20 -0700 (PDT) From: JNaudin509@aol.com Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 13:38:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971002131756_421443243@emout18.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com cc: openway@nor.com.au Subject: Re : Re: Re : Re: G-Strain Energy Absorber V2.1 - Test results Resent-Message-ID: <"2ZKSI2.0.eT3.4nzCq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1114 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: on 02/10/1997 05:02:52 , Peter Nielsen wrote : << And what about Seike's claimed weight loss? Peter Nielsen >> Hi Peter, Concerning the weight loss, It seems that they was able to "stress" sufficiently the G-field and they have claimed to have loss of G. They said : "We shall firsly translate Moebius Band into electric device. We shall secondly make a torus of Moebius wound, which forms a Klein Bottle" We shall feed electric current to Moebius coil. Then, Klein Bottle ( torus coil ) loses weight as the following table. Experimental specifications are as follows : - torus coil : 17 turns of Moebius wound - own weight of the coil : about 30 gr - power supply : regulated (NPS151D/Dendy ) - Balance: Ex200N (200gr Max and resolution of 0.001gr ) ( digital ) Ampere (DC) Grams 2 -0.059 3 -0.123 4 -0.169 5 -0.213 6 -0.291 With a 3 turns Moebius coil feed with 60A DC the g loss attains -2.18gr If we feed about 620 ampere by superconduction, loss of G exceeds the own weight, leviting...." Fonts used ( courier 10 ) **** **** * * * * ******* * * ******* * * * * * * * * * * * **** * * * **** * * * **** * * * * * * * * * * * * **** **** Moebius wound In the diagram you see 2 turns of Moebius coil which are wound on a torus. I am not an artist in ASCII drawing....sorry :-) Today I have not experimented this kind of coil, but soon, I shall give you some feedback about this..... I hope that these informations will interest you, Sincerely, Jean-Louis Naudin From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 2 11:27:09 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id LAA21000; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 11:26:36 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 11:26:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: leoguitar@mail.vossnet.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, newman-l@emachine.com From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Larry Wharton4s Poynting energy equation Cc: wharton@climate.gsfc.nasa.gov Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 20:21:33 +0100 Message-Id: <19971002202133.68ccc8fd.in@pop3.vossnet.de> Resent-Message-ID: <"JQIhq3.0.z75.PT-Cq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1115 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I am posting this for Dieter Bauer: Hallo Jean Louis ! I believe I understand now what Larry Wharton wants to say but I would present it in a complete another manner. It is difficult to understand because he changes Poynting's energy conservation equation without motivating it very strong. Usual Poynting energy equation describes that energy of a current is converted into a field and vice versa. It can be shown that in a periodic cycle of a coil the energy are converted 1:1 . If you add more energy exchanging partners -for example permanent magnets and kinetic energies- this relation cannot be applied because it is not build for that. Therefore, he adds tentatively a additional term which should include the magnetic work area done by this partners . I am not able at the moment to say whether he is correct with his appeal. I had similar thougths as well yet, but not in this form. >From his equation is clear that this additional work area has to be non zero if additional overunity power flows into the system, i.e. a coil. And therefrom using conventional potential theory he derives the conditions under which these additional working areas are non zero. Best regards Dieter Bauer -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 2 11:51:30 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id LAA07562; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 11:50:57 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 11:50:57 -0700 From: HLafonte@aol.com Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 14:49:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971002144803_-696094131@emout01.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com cc: vortex-l@eskimo.com, newman-l@emachine.com Subject: (MER) Contact info. on Butch LaFonte Resent-Message-ID: <"JyPEy1.0.sr1.Fq-Cq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1116 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi all, Should anyone need to contact me by means other than the internet: Butch LaFonte 119 Robert E. Lee Av. S.W. Leeds, AL.. 35094 USA Phone 1-205-699-5364 Central Time zone Fax - Same From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 2 11:59:11 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id LAA26866; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 11:58:46 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 11:58:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: leoguitar@mail.vossnet.de (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, newman-l@emachine.com From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Re:Comments about Overunity proof TEP article.. Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 20:57:21 +0100 Message-Id: <19971002205721.68ed8fb0.in@pop3.vossnet.de> Resent-Message-ID: <"fg6YU1.0.fZ6.ax-Cq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1117 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >Subject:Re: Overunity proof of TEP article online >Cc:bauer.d@krypta.aball.de > >Hi Jack ! > >You wrote: >>Right out of the shute, I find the non-explanation for the >>4-5 Volt jump "due to parametric switching of the bifilar coil" >>objectionable. It should be expressed as a formula, not as a >>fudge factor. Until that can be done, the circuit is not fully >>understood. > >I agree completely ! The note was written very fast ! There are some >additional weaknesses in the setup of the circuit which have to be checked > >1) the timer can feed in energy into measurement over two resistors. It >should be decoupled better. One way is to reduce R8 and to augment L >because then it should become quantitative irrelevant >2) I still do not believe that the energy influx is due to parametric >switching. This is perhaps a possible simplying view but in reality you >have a more gate system in the sense of network theory and the overunity >capability of these systems still has to be checked. > >Best regards > >Dieter > >P.S.: Disclaimer regarding any institution. It my private view. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 2 12:20:16 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id MAA29405; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 12:19:39 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 12:19:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <01BCCF2D.CA2DAC00.reed@zenergy.com> From: Reed Huish Reply-To: "reed@zenergy.com" To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: RE: Tom Beardon Dead Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 11:54:02 -0700 Organization: Zenergy Corporation X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"B-dFv3.0.HB7.8F_Cq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1118 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Wes, Any news on that tube from your friend? Or how about a controlled spark-gap device for a solid-state Newman machine? - Reed On Monday, 22 September, 1997 12:49, Wes Crosiar [SMTP:crosiar@goldrush.com] wrote: > Reed: Tom Beardon is fine. I would have posted last night but my > system > was down. > thanks wes From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 2 14:46:03 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id OAA22034; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 14:45:11 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 14:45:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 17:44:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Jason Aldo To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: THE SPINDIZZY In-Reply-To: <971001142558.ZM18666@me525.ecg.csg.mot.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"_pU963.0.9O5.ZN1Dq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1119 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: y On Wed, 1 Oct 1997, John E. Steck wrote: > On Oct 1, 11:36am, Peter Jason Aldo wrote: > > > On Tue, 30 Sep 1997, John E. Steck wrote: > >> Humor me a moment, where do you see the excess energy coming FROM? > > > > The energy supposedly comes from centrifugal force. I know conventional > > science says centrifugal force is not a force, however not everyone > > agrees with this. > > So your anonymous author is implying that the working fluid somehow picks up > inertia while subject to centripital force in the turbine? OK, lets try and > guess the logic here. > > Since increasing mass is unlikely I will guess he/she is looking for a velocity > loophole to enhance inertia. I will further assume he/she is building his/her > first premise on the fluid dynamic effect of pressure drop and acceleration by > the restriction in flow volume created by the nozzels. The second premise > would then have to be the increase in velocity is a contributing factor not a > conversion factor in the system. Based on the first two, applies this velocity > to the existing mass to increase inertia, then concludes excess in the system. > Now, all that would remain to make the system self perpetuating would be to > close the fluid loop. > > Give the turbine an initial start up velocity -> which draws the fluid out the > nozzels by centripital force and molecular adhesion -> creates a presure drop > and adds velocity to the fluid in the nozzels -> the increased velocity > increases inertia of the fluid -> the inertial excess of the fluid is used to > further turn the turbine -> the pressure drop in the nozzles draws more fluid > in -> and the whole thing starts over and keeps going faster and faster until > an equalibrium is achieved. I believe this is the authors understanding of the operation. > Sounds great, but the second premise misinterpretation kills the whole thing. > If this is in fact the logic involved, the author forgot about the > thermodynamics of the system. The system gets the velocity energy from the > conversion of latent heat energy in the fluid with the drop in pressure in the > nozzels (I think an illustrating gas law equation is PV=nRT, > pressure*volume=moles*constant*temperature). No excess created, existing > converted. I'm not sure I get you here. The system supposedly gets its velocity energy from so called centrifugal force, not heat energy. Pete From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 2 16:58:40 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id QAA14486; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 16:58:00 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 16:58:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 09:56:51 +1000 Message-Id: <199710022356.JAA10388@nornet.nor.com.au> X-Sender: openway@pophost.nor.com.au (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Peter Nielsen Subject: Re: THE SPINDIZZY Resent-Message-ID: <"kEb1B2.0.EY3.4K3Dq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1120 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >Regarding the earth-moon system and the moon moving away from the earth >because of tides and other energy losses, I agree this is not obvious. There >are really three angular momentums (and rotational energy) contributions: > the earth, the moon, and the earth-moon system. The minimum total rotational >energy, which will occur WAY in the future is when the earth, moon, and >earth-moon system all rotate together at 7.0 revolutions per current earth >year. The moon will be some 500,000 miles or so (I have forgotten the exact >distance) away. > >Incidently, they have measured (with retroreflectors on the moon) the moon >moving away from the earth. It is obviously VERY slowly moving. > >Ken Keasy@aol.com > Allow me to put another spin on this one. The Earth's gravitational field equates to a variable time field. IOW denser toward the center. Its change in time at the radius of the moon balances the time change on the particles of the moon due to its orbital motion. There is no force due to gravity from the Earth, and hence no centrifugal force. I could also say that the resistance you feel in a spinning gyroscope is against time not space. Dare we say, this is the same for subatomic particles. BTW can anyone suggest a phenomena which cannot be explained in terms of time differential and a single primary "particle". Peter Nielsen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 2 17:00:16 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id QAA06528; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 16:59:40 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 16:59:40 -0700 From: PROTIEUS@aol.com Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 19:59:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971002195643_1044392342@emout16.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Bismuth and Magnesium in EM Fields Resent-Message-ID: <"YmyY82.0.sb1.gL3Dq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1121 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: hello all. i have a question about making a magnet which is a one pice magnet.." this is a 3 layer magnet the 1st part is made of a ferrous material then the 2nd part is made nonferrous then the last part is either oopen air or iron..core can anyone tell me where i can get one or make.. one. thank you.. Scotty From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 3 07:35:34 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id HAA23745; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 07:33:10 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 07:33:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: wharton@128.183.200.226 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19971002192353.6897faf5.in@pop3.vossnet.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 10:32:55 -0400 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Larry Wharton Subject: Re: Which equation is this ? Resent-Message-ID: <"dD-9B3.0.vo5.Z8GDq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1122 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >I am posting this from Dieter Bauer: > >>Suj : E&M OU theory >>Date : 01/10/1997 19:53:40 >>From: wharton@climate.gsfc.nasa.gov (Larry Wharton) >>Reply-to: vortex-l@eskimo.com >>To: vortex-l@eskimo.com >> >> With many electro-magnetic devices being suggested here as overunity >>I thought it would be worthwhile to give the necessary condition for >>overunity operation assuming standard E&M theory. I will treat the >>magnetic problem and the electric result may be obtained by subsituting >>E and D for H and B. I will take the conservation of energy to be >> >> d/dt(energy density) + div(energy flux) = B . d/dt(H) - J . E >> >>with d denoting partial derivitives and B and H the usual vectors and J the >>current >>density. This formula is valid for the time average in the case of the >>machine being operated in a cycle. In that case we have >> > Hallo Jean-Louis ! > >I looked over Larry Wharton remarks and I finished it after the first >formula line . The cause is that he cites there something similar like the >Pointing energy equation of electrodynamics (which is the standard) without >saying why or wherefrom he has this modified equation.. >Under this conditions I would ask him wherefrom this formula comes from. I >never would build up a theory on a non standard equation before I know why >it has implemented the deviations. This equation is in standard form except that the usual source term 1/2[ B . d/dt(H)- H . d/dt(B) ] is replaced with B . d/dt(H). The substitution is valid for time averages as Time average [ d/dt(B . H) ] = 0 which implies that Time average [ B . d/dt(H) ] = - Time average [ H . d/dt(B) ] I was saving a step here. It probably would be best to start with the standard form and then make the argument that the time averaged power output is the quantity of interest. Any text book on E&M will have this standard form but you have to find the section befor it is thrown out based upon the assumpiton of linearity in the form B = Mu H then we have 1/2[ Mu H . d/dt(H)- H . d/dt(Mu H) ] = 1/2 H . H d/dt(Mu) this term is then set to zero as it is assumed that d/dt(Mu) is zero. Lawrence E. Wharton NASA/GSFC code 913 Greenbelt MD 20771 (301) 286-3486 Email - wharton@climate.gsfc.nasa.gov From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 3 07:49:10 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id HAA02269; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 07:48:25 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 07:48:25 -0700 Comments: ( Received on motgate.mot.com from client mothost.mot.com, sender johnste@me525.ecg.csg.mot.com ) From: "John E. Steck" Message-Id: <971003094758.ZM29556@me525.ecg.csg.mot.com> Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 09:47:58 -0500 In-Reply-To: Peter Jason Aldo "Re: THE SPINDIZZY" (Oct 2, 4:56pm) References: X-Mailer: Z-Mail (4.0.1 13Jan97) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: THE SPINDIZZY Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"4l30C1.0.LZ.sMGDq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1123 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Oct 2, 4:56pm, Peter Jason Aldo wrote: > I'm not sure I get you here. The system supposedly gets its velocity > energy from so called centrifugal force, not heat energy. The point I was trying to make is the system can not be strictly and exclusively described by mechanics as there are fluid dynamic and thermodynamic elements in the system too. In the example of mislogic I gave, centrifugal force only starts a fluid dynamic effect that I am guessing to be the critical element of the author's device. Centrifugal force isn't enough to perpetuate the motion because torque or horse power is required to induce the centrifugal force. This "force" is a reactive effect that CONVERTS energy, not a proactive effect that MAKES energy. From there it is a finger pointing game of increased complexity to fill in the blanks. Ultimately the energy has to come from SOMEWHERE. That's my point. Extrapolating from the limited information provided, I can identify that possible SOMEWHERE as latent heat energy that is converted to kinetic energy by the volume constriction in the nozzels and the subsequent localized pressure drop, (put your thumb over the end of a garden hose, the water will go father but your thumb gets cold = latent heat -> kinetic energy). The system does NOT create any new or unaccounted for energy, and therefore can not be self perpetuating. The equalibrium state of this turbine is "at rest". You do not have to accept this analysis. Build one. If the proposed effect is real, even a crude setup should be sufficient to realize any of the postulated behavior. Although I have already explored this avenue several years ago, I would be very interested in hearing about what you find and the data you generate. It may just need a new perspective. PS: for the linguists lurking I have mistakenly interchanged centripital force and centrifugal force in past discussions. The correct term IS centrifugal. Centripital is the inward pull. Centrifugal is the outward pull. For example: swinging a rock on a string; the string is subjet to centrifugal force from the rock, the rock is subject to centripital force from the string. Both reactive effects to the rotation. -- John E. Steck Prototype Tooling Motorola Inc. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 3 10:18:47 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id KAA20621; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 10:16:47 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 10:16:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971003111026.006e1840@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 11:10:26 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: The TRMS meter Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"7bOkw1.0.225.uXIDq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1124 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi All, I babbled...> >>>> The most accurate method that I know of is the use of a bolometer, or thermopile type true rms meter If you can find an HP3304 (I think that's the model...now discontinued) grab it. Many newer TRMS meters use the analog function ICs that you mentioned...to put it bluntly, they bite. They don't handle high crest factors very well, and they are susceptible to EMI induced errors. <<<< I happened to see that instrument today....the HP model number is 3403C. DC-100 MHz TRMS meter ranges 100mV to 1000V FS. Selectable response times of 1s and 10s. Fully floating input too! Our brand new Fluke TRMS meter...can't remember the model number...which was very expensive, is absolute rubbish in comparison. Fluke usually makes very fine instruments, but they used an analog function chip...nuff said. Best Regards, JD ------------------------------------------------------------ Read not to contradict and confute, nor believe and take for granted...but to weight and consider. -Bacon mules@palacenet.net ------------------------------------------------------------ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 3 13:46:43 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id NAA26904; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 13:46:18 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 13:46:18 -0700 Message-ID: <34354CC0.FA4F3A11@pavilion.co.uk> Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 20:51:50 +0100 From: Rob Dowse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Greg Watson , Ole Trabjerg Subject: SMOT Mk3 ramp results X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"s845V3.0.Ba6.NcLDq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1125 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi Greg, I have built and tested part of the Mk3 SMOT ramp, i.e. two flat parallel polepieces (made from t/f lams.) running along both sides of an aluminium guiderail and shaped &proportioned like a capital letter "L" on it's side. The ball travels between the two longer legs with a few mm gap each side. The shorter legs stick up in the air and an ordinary rectangular block of (4no.) ferrite ceramic permanent magnet sits with it's magnetic north-south poles bridging the two pole pieces. The magnet is thus elevated about 50 mm above the ball as it passes underneath, on it's journey along the guide rail. (I.e. just as you suggest) If the ramp is perfectly flat and level (i.e. the effects of gravity have been cancelled) and we ignore friction losses for now, the ball can be released just at the point where the flux picks it up and it rolls through as normal. As the ball exits the array it slows down, stops and returns into the array and proceeds to oscillate backwards and forwards until it reaches equilibrium somewhere in the middle of the array, (where the flux density is greatest). I picture the ball 'falling' into a magnetic 'hole'. Energy has been borrowed from the magnet, and in order to retrieve the ball from the magnet's field we have to return an equal sum back. Now, given that the ball will always roll back into the perfectly flat, level and friction free array we can assume that at the exact point that the ball stops to change direction after it's first journey through the array it is still in debt to the array, by a small, but non zero amount. If a second array pick's the ball up at this point it will inherit the debt. Decreasing friction will decrease the non zero debt value, it will increase the distance of the magnet's influence on the ball and therfore the time for the system to damp down will increase. Maybe a few miniuts or hours or maybe two weeks as the Finsrud device. Maybe Earth tremours are enough to disturb a finley balanced system, providing the random power to kick the system for an average time (2 weeks, 2 minits?) I therefore predict that after the ball has travelled through several successive stages, it's energy debt will increase until it fails to continue on it's journey. Introducing gravity doesn't seem to help matters, it is just another 'dimension' in which energy can be stored, rather than extract energy for use else where. Reducing friction will also be fruitless. It seems to me that improvements are of the Zeno paradox variety; they are incremental, the energy sums always seem to add up to unity and the closer (read more efficient) one gets the longer TIME it takes for the system to settle to equilibrium and the debts to be repaid. Reguaging due to gravity is, I think also a non-starter as the debt is still carried on however small. Now, if I am correct, then this is all very disappointing, both for me but more so for you as you have invested such a massive effort in this. I want to be wrong on this one as I want to build an over unity device that truly works because it's an exciting and challenging proposition. So I thought you may like to take the opportunity to educate me!!! -- --==oo==-- Rob Dowse From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 3 17:26:44 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id RAA01528; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 17:26:19 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 17:26:19 -0700 Message-Id: <199710032251.IAA27058@peg.apc.org> Subject: Bruce De Palma - Deceased Date: Sat, 4 Oct 97 08:49:27 +1000 From: To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"VAHax1.0.nN.hqODq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1126 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Controversial researcher and inventor, Bruce De Palma, died yesterday in a hospital in New Zealand. He had been in a coma for several hours after massive internal bleeding. More details as they come to hand. Duncan M. Roads Editor Nexus Magazine Australia Duncan M. Roads Editor, Nexus Magazine PO Box 30, Maplton Qld 4560 Australia Tel: +61 (0)7 5442 9280; Fax: +61 (0)7 5442 9381 http://www.peg.apc.org/~nexus/ "The nature of the universe is such that ends can never justify the means. On the contrary, the means always determine the end." (Aldous Huxley) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 3 18:03:00 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id SAA03433; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 18:02:02 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 18:02:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: leoguitar@mail.vossnet.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, newman-l@emachine.com From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: www.overunity.de updated... Date: Sat, 04 Oct 1997 02:57:42 +0100 Message-Id: <19971004025742.6f5dd265.in@pop3.vossnet.de> Resent-Message-ID: <"ZZFld2.0.Qr.wLPDq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1128 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi, I finally have updated my www.overunity.de a bit more after moving to my new 150 MB space server. If you still have access problem or the new DNS change is not yet through you can also try to conncet to: http://www.harti.com/over.htm or: http://168.144.2.41/over.htm This is the start page of the overunity server. Best regards, Stefan. P.S.: Sad to hear that Bruce de Palma has ceased away... After Marinov another gentle guy in the Free energy research area... -- Hartmann Multimedia Service Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany http://www.harti.com Webmaster of: www.detours.de www.overunity.de www.berlin-city.com email: harti@harti.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 3 18:03:02 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id SAA03389; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 18:01:51 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 18:01:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: leoguitar@mail.vossnet.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, Greg Watson , Ole Trabjerg From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Re: SMOT Mk3 ramp results Date: Sat, 04 Oct 1997 03:01:16 +0100 Message-Id: <19971004030116.6f611801.in@pop3.vossnet.de> Resent-Message-ID: <"H85O83.0.qq.nLPDq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1127 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 20:51 03.10.1997 +0100, freenrg-l@eskimo.com wrote: >Hi Greg, > >I have built and tested part of the Mk3 SMOT ramp, i.e. two flat parallel >polepieces (made from t/f lams.) running along both sides of an aluminium >guiderail and shaped &proportioned like a capital letter "L" on it's side. >The ball travels between the two longer legs with a few mm gap each side. The >shorter legs stick up in the air and an ordinary rectangular block of (4no.) >ferrite ceramic permanent magnet sits with it's magnetic north-south poles >bridging the two pole pieces. The magnet is thus elevated about 50 mm above >the ball as it passes underneath, on it's journey along the guide rail. (I.e. >just as you suggest) > >If the ramp is perfectly flat and level (i.e. the effects of gravity have been >cancelled) and we ignore friction losses for now, the ball can be released >just at the point where the flux picks it up and it rolls through as normal. >As the ball exits the array it slows down, stops and returns into the array >and proceeds to oscillate backwards and forwards until it reaches equilibrium >somewhere in the middle of the array, (where the flux density is greatest). > >I picture the ball 'falling' into a magnetic 'hole'. Energy has been >borrowed from the magnet, and in order to retrieve the ball from the magnet's >field we have to return an equal sum back. Now, given that the ball >will always roll back into the perfectly flat, level and friction free array >we can assume that at the exact point that the ball stops to change direction >after it's first journey through the array it is still in debt to the array, >by a small, but non zero amount. > >If a second array pick's the ball up at this point it will inherit the debt. >Decreasing friction will decrease the non zero debt value, it will increase >the distance of the magnet's influence on the ball and therfore the time for >the system to damp down will increase. Maybe a few miniuts or hours or maybe >two weeks as the Finsrud device. Maybe Earth tremours are enough to disturb a >finley balanced system, providing the random power to kick the system for an >average time (2 weeks, 2 minits?) > >I therefore predict that after the ball has travelled through several successive >stages, it's energy debt will increase until it fails to continue on it's journey. Hi, you have to use the blue hole to get it running ! (the area, where the magnetic field is getting much weaker again ! there you have to exit from the ramp via gravity, otherwise it will not work !) Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany http://www.harti.com Webmaster of: www.detours.de www.overunity.de www.berlin-city.com email: harti@harti.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 3 20:53:46 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id UAA12777; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 20:53:28 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 20:53:28 -0700 Message-ID: <3435CD55.49FD@mediacity.com> Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 21:00:05 -0800 From: "M.Twain" X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Stefan Marinov, by Robert Bass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"P8gpb1.0.V73.ssRDq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1129 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I was appalled by word of Marinov's suicide. For a professed Christian (about which he and I had corresponded) this is like saying, "OK, Lucifer, you win! I give up!" Marinov, in my opinion, was a real genius in the sense that he very well understood all of the classical theoretical physics in great detail (sufficient detail to argue that historically some wrong turnings had been taken, and that Maxwell's Equations as we normally see them can be readily disproved by a _large_ number of table-top Faraday/Ampere type of experiments) and yet was an exceedingly good experimentalist who invented and had built and tested a large number of _VERY_ complicated electromechanical & hydro-electromagnetic devices & systems. A native of Bulgaria (and former Assistant Prof. of Physics from 1960 to 1974 at Sofia University), on certain occasions in 1966-67, 1974, and 1977 he was forcibly confined to mental hospitals and given psychiatric "treatment" because of political dissent. In 1977 he got a passport and in 1978 lived in Washington, D.C.; later he lived in Italy and Austria. He was fluent in both English and German. He was involved publicly with many quarrels with the Editor of _Nature_ who refused to print either his papers or his Letters to the Editor. He retaliated by somehow securing the funds to place full-page ads in Nature expressing his frustration with the dogmatic attitude of the Establishment. He claimed to have seen in operation and learned the secret of the so-called "Swiss ML converter" or TESTATIKA electrical generator [which gets free energy from nowhere], which was discovered by Paul Baumann ("by inspiration rather than human effort"), who is the head of the 500-member Christian religious commune METHERNITHA in Switzerland, which says they generate most of the electricity for hundreds of people via such "perpetuum mobile" generators, which they are unwilling to share with this fallen world. He was supposedly the only member who did not live in the commune. He tried many times, but failed, to persuade them to share their allegedly great discovery with the remainder of mankind. He wrote a book "Divine Electromagnetism" [available from East West Affiliates in Austria at Morellenfeldgasse 16, 8010 Graz, phone (0316) 37 70 93, for $70 + S&H] giving his take on the flaws in classical EM as now taught and how allegedly "high-school level experiments" can flatly disprove some parts of it in favor of other versions buried in now- forgotten old literature before the present version was settled on and now handed down by the Establishment dogmatically. He earned his living by being a groom for horses but he was a prolific writer & inventor in German and had a large following who subscribed to his journal _Deutsche Physik_. His targets were schoolchildren not yet brainwashed by the Establishment into accepting false but dogmatically-taught ideas. He was dead-certain that he had disproved all kinds of dogmatically-taught aspects of conventional electromagnetism, (Lorentz-Ampere Force Law, speed of light, special relativity, ether, Michelson-Morley, etc. -- sadly, my memory is hazy so I may not be recalling his protests correctly). In studying the first edition of his book, I found a mistake in vector calculus and wrote to him, but he sent me the second edition in which another mathematician had already corrected him. He was one year younger than myself (I turn 67 tomorrow) but _seemed_ much younger ("45 or 50") and was an extremely vital and extraordinarily magnetic/charismatic/enthusiastic and attractive person. I met him in Denver more than a year ago and handed him $100 cash which I had owed him for the 2nd Ed'n which he had trusted me to pay but on which I was about a year late [though he readily forgave me]!). I can understand his being "worn out" by the utterly monolithic refusal of the Establishment to listen to his allegations that he had measured ether drift (or whatever) and found in it the rotation of the earth (i.e. some diurnal variation -- or whatever, my recollection is hazy). Perhaps he had measured a diurnal variation in the speed of light; my memory is hazy. The one thing I remember is that the blueprints for his numerous devices all looked very professional & convincing and the photos of his devices looked like they had really been built, yet he had evidently also spent _many thousands_ of hours on extremely complicated mathematical calculations in most of which I could find no mistake. (Few theoreticians are sufficiently versatile to be electro-mechanically creative experimenters!) He published detailed plans for a hydraulic-electro- magnetic perpetuum mobile and showed photos of it in operation, but nobody "important" paid the slightest attention to him. What a tragedy! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 4 01:24:22 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id BAA29730; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 01:17:31 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 01:17:31 -0700 Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 01:17:27 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Chris T. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"YNIlw.0.RG7.QkVDq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1130 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Chris Tinsley died this week. See below. Chris was a long-time 'troublemaker' on various online science forums. As well as his many articles in Infinite Energy mag, he messed about with cold fusion devices, homopolar "n-machines", Laithwaite thrusters, and other interesting stuff. .....................uuuu / oo \ uuuu........,............................. William Beaty voice:206-781-3320 bbs:206-789-0775 cserv:71241,3623 EE/Programmer/Science exhibit designer http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/ Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com SCIENCE HOBBYIST web page ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 12:37:03 -0400 From: Jed Rothwell <72240.1256@compuserve.com> Subject: Obituary I am deeply sorry to announce that my dear friend Christopher Tinsley died yesterday, October 1, 1997, of a heart attack. I depended upon Chris every day for help, suggestions, editing, humor and inspiration. He was a contributing editor to our magazine, and one of the best hands-on experimental scientists in the field of cold fusion. He was a fine chemist and electrical engineer. He made major contributions to the design of first generation computers in England in the 1960s. A disk drive he worked on is now exhibited near the Babbage Difference Engine at the London Science Museum. He said the sight of it made him feel like a fossil. Scott Little wrote: "Chris visited us briefly a couple of years ago and the experience was truly memorable. We meshed like we'd been working together for years. He had a no-frills way of looking at physics and the business of measuring things that was simply beautiful." Chris was 54 years old. His wife Sian died in December 1994. He is survived by a son, Chris Jr.; a daughter, Kay; and a fiancee, Susan Seddon. The funeral will be held Thursday, October 9th at 12:30 p.m. at Saint Leonard's Church in the Wollaton district of Nottingham, England. - Jed Rothwell From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 4 09:37:09 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id JAA18955; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 09:36:40 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 09:36:40 -0700 X-Sender: josephnewman@mail.earthlink.net (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 11:41:08 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: Words from Dr. Bruce DePalma.... Resent-Message-ID: <"vpmHZ3.0.4e4.M2dDq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1131 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Dear List members, The following was the last direct email communication I had with Dr. DePalma which I thought I would share with you. I am deeply sorry to hear of his passing and I extend my most sincere condolences to his family members and friends. Evan Soule' Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "DePalma Institute" To: "Evan Soule" Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 21:00:21 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Energy Priority: normal Dear Mr Soule': Thank you for your interest in my work. I seem to recall we had spoken in the past when I was in America. There are two aspects to the treatment of inventors. 1) Inventors who come up with inventions are highly protective of their work, being that they have spent substantial time and money achieving their goal. They know the mendacious amorality of the world of money and business. In order to succeed in this world takes a combination of luck, skill, finance, and a good idea. Only some succeed. 2) Energy, applied through science, motivates the civilized world. It is more basic than money, which is only a paper promise. The inventor is the wild card in the world of finance. A new source of energy could bring down the empire. Yes, I along with Joe Newman and Robert Adams truly know the magnitude of the beast. I make all my ideas public as I see myself more as a basic physical scientist and teacher than an inventor. My solution was to leave the United States to find a place where I was not altogether encouraged but not discouraged. I am much happier here in New Zealand. Thank you for the Email of the two faxes you received. I am not surprised to see the big boys are at work. The handwriting is on the wall. I had read some of Ehrenhaft's work in the past. It shows we don't know all there is to know about light, magnetism and electricity. My theory is that there is no theory. All we know is what we know from experience. My advice to Joe is to go where he might be appreciated. Where he is going and where America is heading are two separate directions. If you need anything from me don't hesitate to ask. Best wishes, Bruce DePalma N.B. God is in charge of this world. The truth is only for those who's ears hear the truth and who's eyes see the truth. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 4 09:37:09 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id JAA18933; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 09:36:45 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 09:36:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: josephnewman@mail.earthlink.net (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 11:41:11 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: Additional Information from Dr. Bruce DePalma Resent-Message-ID: <"3GTBi2.0.gd4.P2dDq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1132 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: The following are general emails which I received from the DePalma Institute: Evan Soule' _______________________________ Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "DePalma Institute" To: "DePalma Fans" Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 22:17:19 +1200 X-Distribution: Moderate MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: The Home of Primordial Energy -- (NEW and IMPROVED) Reply-to: "DePalma Institute" Priority: normal Dear Friends, Thank you for your continued interest in the Intelligent Field of Energy which supports our very existence. Recently there have been some major changes to the Home of Primordial Energy, resulting in temporary malfunctions at the site. You may be assured these are now repaired. When you have an opportunity, please visit the site and let us know what you think of it. Also, we ask you make a point of forwarding this message to one contact/associate/family-member or friend who has not been introduced to the idea of Energy from Space. http://www.depalma.org.nz/ (When writing us, please mention which of our two sites you visit most often, and whether you were able to access everything without difficulty.) We are happy to discuss the relationship between technology - ecology - society, as well as the absolute necessity of a new energy source. Natural Philosophy is not a licence to practice the black art of 'Theoretical Physics'. It is an attempt to express clearly our perceptions arising from the *experience* of natural phenomena. With the technological innovations now developing from a new synthesis of ideas concerning Nature, we shall be more 'in tune' with the profound sublimity of the implicitly unified whole. May the wind be at your back. Peace. DEPALMA INSTITUTE ___________________________ N.B. We are currently featured at: http://www.stpt.com/personal/personalNEW.html Please take a split-second to click the "VOTE" button (beside our entry) as we shall be exploring every possibility in cybernetic dissemination of these Millennial thoughts. ___________________________ Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "DePalma Institute" To: "DePalma Fans" Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 12:49:39 +1200 X-Distribution: Moderate MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Radio Appearance Reply-to: "DePalma Institute" Priority: normal Bruce DePalma can be heard live via the Internet, or Nationwide in the US on Jeff Rense's "SIGHTINGS on the RADIO" today (Thursaday 28 August) between 6pm and 9pm PST. REAL AUDIO LINK: http://www.audionet.com/shows/endoftheline/sightings.ram NET SHOW LINK: http://www.audionet.com/shows/endoftheline/end144.asx Please see Jeff's site at: http://www.sightings.com/ This show will be stored in Jeff's archives in a day or two. It will be found at: REAL AUDIO http://www.audionet.com/shows/endoftheline/archive.stm NET SHOW http://www.audionet.com/shows/endoftheline/archive_ns.stm Regards, DePalma Institute From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 4 14:16:34 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id OAA01836; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 14:16:11 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 14:16:11 -0700 From: atech@ix.netcom.com Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19971004171737.0080eb0c@popd.ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: atech@popd.ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 04 Oct 1997 17:17:37 +0000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Bruce De Palma - Deceased Resent-Message-ID: <"fNUPy1.0.ZS.P8hDq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1133 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I'm sorry to hear that Dr. Depalma has passed on. I guess everyone is still in a state of shock over Chris Tinsley's passing. Please send the Depalma family my condolences. I feel that the pioneers of this new field of physics should all be honored for the hardships they face trying to do some good for humanity. Regards; Dennis C. Lee At 08:49 AM 10/4/97 +1000, you wrote: >Controversial researcher and inventor, Bruce De Palma, died yesterday in >a hospital in New Zealand. He had been in a coma for several hours after >massive internal bleeding. > >More details as they come to hand. > >Duncan M. Roads >Editor >Nexus Magazine >Australia > >Duncan M. Roads >Editor, Nexus Magazine >PO Box 30, Maplton Qld 4560 Australia >Tel: +61 (0)7 5442 9280; Fax: +61 (0)7 5442 9381 >http://www.peg.apc.org/~nexus/ > >"The nature of the universe is such that ends can never justify the means. >On the contrary, the means always determine the end." >(Aldous Huxley) > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 4 21:39:19 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id VAA27644; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 21:38:30 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 21:38:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710050437.BAA06398@bigbox.plug-in.com.br> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Marcelo Puhl" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 01:39:21 -3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Twisted bifilar ? Reply-to: mark@plug-in.com.br Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Resent-Message-ID: <"bAcqg2.0.rl6.4dnDq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1136 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: What will be the effect of "twisting together" the two wires before winding the bifilar coil ? I ask because this is made on switching power supplies. Marcelo From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Sep 24 20:27:22 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id UAA27600; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 20:26:42 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 20:26:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970924232743.006ceb2c@world.std.com> X-Sender: mica@world.std.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 23:27:43 +0000 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com From: Mitchell Swartz Subject: Re: [Fwd: Aenertia, Aether and Anomalous Aenergy ....] In-Reply-To: <34299355.3965@mediacity.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"AgTCO.0.5l6.jdTAq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/911 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 02:25 PM 9/24/97 -0800, "M.Twain" wrote: > >Vortex-L and friends, > >Free energy, new energy, zero-point energy, cold fusion, filamentary >fusion, cluster fusion, ether, aether, inertia, enertia, aenertia, >energy, aenergy? > >Just what are we looking at here? What foundation of nature? Whence >the creation of mass? How the production, where the origin, of energy? > >OU, Overunity? I like that term. It really spells it out. > >Anomolous energy? Well, sure, but we are beginning to understand its >origins in the ubiquitous aenertial aether. Thus it is generally not >anomalous at all. > >Unlimited Energy? Infinite Energy? Primordial Energy? Massergy? The choice of word will give precision (reproducibility) maybe. Maybe - because the OU/IE/CF/vortex/free-eng/etc. crowd is diverse and hardly likely to agree. Suggest accuracy. Therefore, here are some thoughts, and flames are probably deservedly forthcoming. ;-)X It is NOT infinite. It might be "free" in a sense, but surely whether it is free does not accurately describe WHAT it is. Cold fusion - It is. It makes He4, He3, and perhaps other products, and lots of heat which appears as phonons and infra-red. The aether-words are cute, but there has been as little evidence (to me, and if you have it my email address is below) for aether as there is for ZPE (excepting the miniscule zero point energy of materials at zero degrees K which is real). It is not anomalous, and if it is characterized as suchit should be divided in regular anomalous (as in nickel-light water systems) and the irregular irregular anomalous (as occurs in some bursts). I like primordial considering the link to deuterons only previous thought to be made "just after" the big-bang, but it seems quite esoteric and non-specific. Anyway: IMO -> cold fusion, and if the vortex can demonstrate data over unity, vortex-OU might create a dichotomy, although giving no indication as to the means, if any. For CF, the loading means, and material is usually specified, as in nickel-light water CF, or glow discharge loaded Pd CF. Perhaps the other systems might adopt that ancillary info to sort out the data. Hope that helps. Mitchell Swartz (mica@world.std.com) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 4 23:27:35 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id XAA05825; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 23:27:11 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 23:27:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 23:26:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710050626.XAA09106@iceland.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: mark@plug-in.com.br, freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: Twisted bifilar ? Resent-Message-ID: <"71mj-.0.wQ1.xCpDq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1137 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 01:39 AM 10/5/97 -3, you wrote: > >What will be the effect of "twisting together" the two wires before winding >the bifilar coil ? It is to eliminate any preferred placement of one wire over the other - closer to one end, capacitive effects, etc. It may also just be easier to wind without keeping all twists out. -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 5 00:06:10 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id AAA30366; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 00:05:44 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 00:05:44 -0700 Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 19:33:10 +1000 Message-Id: <199710050933.TAA06444@main.murray.net.au> X-Sender: egel@main.murray.net.au (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Geoff Egel Subject: Re: Re :Viktor Schauberger invention Resent-Message-ID: <"JsiiJ2.0.HQ7.6npDq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1138 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Have added some information on the Inventions of Viktor Schauberger along with some photos and drawings http://geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135/victor.htm Geoff > >http://www2.murray.net.au/users/egel/ >http://geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135 > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 5 00:41:08 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id AAA01827; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 00:40:28 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 00:40:28 -0700 Message-Id: <199710050740.AAA10224@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: "Free Energy" Subject: Re: THE SPINDIZZY Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 00:28:55 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Co87U2.0.SS.hHqDq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1139 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Pete, > > Power is measured in speed times torque. The skater would speed up, but > > his or her torque would decrease. When the skaters arms are reached out, > > speed decreases but torque increases. The totat energy of skater would > > stay the same. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Scott is right. You thought what I thought, but the speed decreases faster than the torque increases. Kinetic energy IS conserved if you count in the energy involved in moving the mass to the outside edge. It all balances out. Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 5 06:12:27 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id GAA31477; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 06:11:43 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 06:11:43 -0700 Message-ID: <3437A2C0.2459@mediacity.com> Date: Sun, 05 Oct 1997 06:22:56 -0800 From: "M.Twain" X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: limbs@tm.net.my, Antigravity@primenet.com CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Antigravity] (no subject) References: <34376799.4E0E@tm.net.my> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"wlrnI1.0.jh7.E8vDq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1140 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Good question. Why AREN'T "these free energy people" producing anything after all these years and decades of work? There are, in fact, several small experimental devices now commercially available on the marketplace (CETI's for example) -- and many others have followed your advice and played along with the big boys (see Randy Mills' successful financing of BlackLight Power, or the setup of Pons and Fleischman in France). However it will be decades before this stuff really takes off, I suspect. We are dealing with protonic and aetheric engineering which: 1) Has heretofore almost no theoretical explanation, 2) Is a vast and diverse experimental realm, almost untouched despite the hundreds of researchers currently active in it, 3) Goes up against 99% of institutional physics and electrical engineering dogma, not to mention essentially all existing 'energy' industry economies. There are dozens of free-energy related sites on the Web to cruise if you want to get up to speed on those activities. Go thru my Sites at: [http://www.mediacity.com/~muse/mirror.html] or [http://www.mediacity.com/~muse/rapr97.html] to find most of them. These people aren't perfect (claims of 'genius' notwithstanding) they come with all the blemishes and defects of 'normal' people. But they DO stand out, and stand up for anti-commercial and anti-establishment beliefs. Thus they ARE stepped on, very hard. They seem to be doing exceptionally well, considering, Millennium From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 5 06:54:56 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id GAA05926; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 06:54:33 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 06:54:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971005074945.0069d4bc@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 1997 07:49:45 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: Re: Twisted bifilar ? In-Reply-To: <199710050626.XAA09106@iceland.it.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"0reV52.0.TS1.KmvDq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1141 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi All, At 23:26 10/4/97 -0700, Dave wrote: >At 01:39 AM 10/5/97 -3, Marcelo wrote: >> >>What will be the effect of "twisting together" the two wires before winding >>the bifilar coil ? > It is to eliminate any preferred placement of one wire over the other - >closer to >one end, capacitive effects, etc. It may also just be easier to wind without >keeping all twists out. It depends on how the two wires are connected. It they are separate windings, twisting them together will provide the tightest magnetic coupling, but at the expense of increased interwinding capacitance, which is usually undesirable, and also making the winding less efficient in it's winding window utilization, which is always undesirable. Another possibility is that the wires are connected in parallel, forming a pseudo litz wire. Several coarse strands are more effective at the low frequencies that smps operate at than true litz wire. The diameter of the individual conductors should be sized for skin effect, and ampacity, considerations. True litz wire uses such fine conductors that much of the total conductor diameter is used up by the insulation, and the larger sizes have a fiber core, these factors reduce it's ampacity as the frequency decreases from the wire's design frequency. It's also difficult to terminate, if even a few strands are left unsoldered there is a significant increase in winding losses due to eddy currents, and increased resistance. Winding with the wires side by side is preferred, and it's easier to wind unless there are more than about 4 strands. Flat bifilar windings produce a more compact winding...which is very important. Although, if you're winding by hand, and without a lathe, or winding small toriods, twisted bifilar may be easier to wind. My guess is if the wires separate windings, they are twisted because the tightest possible coupling between them is desired... such applications as multiple output gate drive transformers, non post regulated tracking outputs, or primary and reset windings, might require it. Best Regards, JD --------------------------------------------------------------- So my agent says to me, "if you wanna make it big in this town, ya gotta have a gimmic....do you wanna be bad?" And I said, "Yeah baby, yeah! BWUHA, HA, HA, HA, HAAA!" -TMBWBAM mules@palacenet.net --------------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 5 08:35:43 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id IAA16017; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 08:35:28 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 08:35:28 -0700 Message-ID: <3437C473.944@mediacity.com> Date: Sun, 05 Oct 1997 08:46:43 -0800 From: "M.Twain" X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: more sad tidings, confirmed. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"OaoAj.0.5w3._ExDq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1142 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Friends, This is to confirm the news of the death of free-energy pioneer Bruce Eldridge DePalma. His final resting place is the soil of West Auckland, New Zealand. I received a confirming telephone call from the DePalma Institute late Friday night (California time). It will probably be a few days before a statement can be released to the Web. Don't know any of the details, but would hazard to guess cancer, ulcers, or some related condition. Bruce strongly empathized with my reactivity to the conformist consumer world and to the resulting "ulcerated mess" seemingly "nurtured within" myself, as he said. He understood my situation of adversity and my goals of harmony, and thus concured with New Zealand and the DePalma Institute as the solution. I haven't had a chance to speak to Chris Tinsley's early death. Would like to respond to his post of January 22, 1997 on the subject of 'push' forces and the aether. I never got to meet or exchange correspondence with Chris. Furthering and extending his quest is all I can offer to do. As he said, "This post is pure prattle, and I apologise in advance for it. I'm just trying to get some kind of a handle on this 'new physics'. And I want very much to avoid the clever stuff, just to look at the basics." "We know that two ships parked close together in choppy seas will be pushed together by the fact that longer waves are excluded from the space between them, and the idea seems to be that this kind of action explains all the forces?" My question to the discussion groups is -- this certainly explains the (electromagnetogravitic wave) Casimir phenomenum, but why do planets NOT fall into stars? Stars NOT fall into galactic cores? Clearly the stellar and galactic-scale standing aether (plasma-group) waves have equal repulsive components. And do not equal numbers of examples exist of expanding galactic systems, as opposed to contracting? Is not the micro-scale aether just like the cosmic-scale aether, in that sense? Does not repulsion exist as often, and in balance with attraction? Compression as rarifaction? Unraveling and decay as often as superposition, beading, and soliton creation? That I believe is the nature of the ubiquitous EMG aenertial vortex wave of experience. Of action. Of spin and propagation flux density. Aether waves are repulsive from the outside, attractive on the inside? Repulsive from the outside slope so-to-speak, attractive to the inside slope? Goodbye Chris. Goodbye Bruce. We will do all we can to clear up our minds, and strengthen our bodies. Whether we are in time to give this planet a chance, I largely doubt, Millennium From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 5 11:08:30 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id LAA27837; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 11:07:49 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 11:07:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971005181007.007a6140@galileo.pi.infn.it> X-Sender: jwinter@galileo.pi.infn.it X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 1997 18:10:07 +0100 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: John Winterflood Subject: Bessler's Wheel ("Wheel of Orffyreus") Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"P1zxG2.0.so6.oTzDq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1143 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I came across an interesting website :- http://www.free-energy.co.uk The guy (John Collins) says he has done extensive research into Bessler's Wheel and is now selling a little book about it called "Perpetual Motion; An Ancient Mystery Solved?" It sounds pretty interesting to me and I am intending to purchase a copy. He wants about 15 English pounds up front and cleared before he posts it and 28day delivery after that. So I just thought I would ask a quick question here as to whether anyone has heard of him, or ordered and received his book. If it is a con - at most only one of us should get caught! If I get no adverse response I intend to send the money and I will let everyone know if it comes and if it is worth a read. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 5 15:23:17 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id PAA17992; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 15:22:49 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 15:22:49 -0700 (PDT) From: PROTIEUS@aol.com Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 18:22:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971005181959_1866612379@emout19.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Antigravity] (no subject) Resent-Message-ID: <"dGyXm3.0.vO4.jC1Eq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1144 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: this is in response to Millenium yes they are stepped on because the people are narrow minded they dont think open minded like the scientists :ME : do this is a sad century in which we live we have to bring new products besides digital pager to our world.. i recently bought the bill beaty's "ANTI-GRAVITY ion plans they seem like a great investment you might want to check that out.. see you ..later Scotty From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 5 18:31:37 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id SAA00767; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 18:31:04 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 18:31:04 -0700 Message-Id: <199710060130.SAA26193@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: "Free Energy" Subject: test Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 18:39:23 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"jXSNt1.0.uB.Mz3Eq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1145 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: TEST From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 5 22:01:30 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id WAA24894; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 22:01:04 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 22:01:04 -0700 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 17:29:04 +1000 Message-Id: <199710060729.RAA14255@main.murray.net.au> X-Sender: egel@main.murray.net.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Geoff Egel Subject: Re: Need a list of Dictionary words in txt format. Resent-Message-ID: <"Vh8VY.0.t46.F27Eq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1146 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >May seem to be a strange request for a free energy newsgroup but someone may be able to help me. > >I am writing a computer game for some high school students and I need a list of dictionary words in a text format Currently there are about 360,000 words in the English Language maybe more and rather than type them in myself there may be someone the list that can help me ,or have a list themselves they send me via email Thanks Geoff http://www2.murray.net.au/users/egel http://geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 6 04:46:07 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id EAA05417; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 04:45:41 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 04:45:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: leoguitar@mail.vossnet.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: TEP article updated; theoretical proof of overunity added ! Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 13:46:01 +0100 Message-Id: <19971006134601.7bfc1aa7.in@pop3.vossnet.de> Resent-Message-ID: <"8m5oa.0.XK1.XzCEq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1147 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi, Dieter Bauer has just updated the recent article of the TEP circuit of Jean Louis Naudin and Stefan Hartmann. It is now added a theoretical section. There it is shown, that the overunity efficiency can be derived using conventional network theory of electro-engineering. Please have a look at it and send your comments, please ! Here it is: http://www.overunity.de/poover/tep.htm or via http://168.144.2.41/theory.htm P.S.: I have also updated the site with a few more MPEG movies, e.g. of Testatika and VTA and 2 new RealAudio files for streaming audio. http://www.overunity.de/devices.htm Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 6 05:07:00 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id FAA07249; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 05:06:44 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 05:06:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 14:00:01 +0200 From: Johann de Beer (IT) To: Freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Hammel spinner Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"O46di.0.An1.HHDEq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1148 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: ** Confidential ** Greetings I need my faith restored in the Hammel magnetic spinner in that this energy actually comes from the free energy source. By looking logically at the arrangement the bottom part of the ball bearing actually rolls along the surface but because it is at an angle it will actually rotate until it spiralled to the centre point where it will come to a halt by friction. If a person keeps on altering this angle (By hand) and thus increasing the spiral diameter you are only steering this setup around youself. I might be missing a point but for now I am a non believer! Johann From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 6 12:57:14 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id MAA29025; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 12:56:35 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 12:56:35 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971006215902.007f7cf0@galileo.pi.infn.it> X-Sender: jwinter@galileo.pi.infn.it X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 21:59:02 +0100 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: John Winterflood Subject: Re: TEP article updated; theoretical proof of overunity added ! In-Reply-To: <19971006134601.7bfc1aa7.in@pop3.vossnet.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"JySIn.0.Q57.o9KEq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1150 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Stefan Hartmann posted :- >Dieter Bauer has just updated the recent article >of the TEP circuit of Jean Louis Naudin and Stefan Hartmann. > >It is now added a theoretical section. >There it is shown, that the overunity efficiency can be derived using >conventional >network theory of electro-engineering. >Please have a look at it and send your comments, please ! Sorry to be a bearer of bad news again but... The equation number 7 (the one that starts the theoretical section) is rather wrong. It takes no account of the fact that the coils have mutual inductance and the "L dI/dt" should be cancelling somewhere (being bifilar wound and inversly connected). Of course if the analysis was for a different circuit with separate coils then it is probably fine and I'm sorry I misunderstood. I didn't look past that first equation. Also I noticed in a note by Dave Dameron a value for the resisance of the coils = 1ohm (which I had searched for but not managed to find previously) :- >the low voltage across the coil (12mA* 1 Ohm) is much less >than V(ce- sat) so it wouldn't conduct. If this is the case then there is absolutely *no way* that the transistor is getting turned ON since its emitter is sitting at only (2*12ma*1Ohm) 24mV below the positive of the battery. Even if you connected the base of the transistor *directly* to the most positive point (ie the battery) it would not turn ON since you need at least 0.6V (a silicon diode drop) to even begin to conduct. So I suggest again that you simply try disconnecting the collector of the transistor (ie the wire going to the case or the middle leg) to see if it makes any difference. I bet it doesn't. I came in on this rather late so I won't ask a stupid question like *why* you want canceling bifilar coils, but I will just offer the suggestion that if you want them to cancel really well, then it is slightly better to use fine ones and twist them. But the best would be to use fine coaxial cable or shielded wire. Then you have the two wires concentric and we know that there is very little electric or magnetic field escaping from coax. Straight or twisted pair on the other hand have a considerable amount of field that can escape - particularly very close to the wire - which is where you have your ferrite I would guess. (Which also suggests a simple way to improve your canceling - just leave a larger gap between the ferrite core and the first layer of winding). However my feeling is that once you have really good canceling, you may as well not have the coil at all - just a resistor - at least that is what conventional wisdom would say. If on the other hand you actually want the external field, then why bother with the bifilar bit - just wind them separately at opposite ends of the ferrite to maximise the interaction! Sorry if I am being too conventional! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 6 12:57:53 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id MAA05969; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 12:42:41 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 12:42:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <34393DCB.5AF6D0D@ctv.es> Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 21:36:43 +0200 From: Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga Reply-To: vramos@ctv.es X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Hammel spinner X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"TMLfE3.0.3T1.gyJEq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1149 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Johann de Beer (IT) wrote: > ** Confidential ** > > Greetings > > I need my faith restored in the Hammel magnetic spinner in that this > energy actually comes from the free energy source. > > By looking logically at the arrangement the bottom part of the ball > bearing actually rolls along the surface but because it is at an angle > it will actually rotate until it spiralled to the centre point where > it will come to a halt by friction. > > If a person keeps on altering this angle (By hand) and thus increasing > the spiral diameter you are only steering this setup around youself. > > I might be missing a point but for now I am a non believer! > > Johann Johann Don't spend more time in this thing. This is like a pendulum fixed by hand. A little movement can unbalance the pendulum and keep oscillations. There are some theorical basis for this device?. Vicente. -- Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga E-mail: vramos@ctv.es Home Page: http://www.ctv.es/USERS/vramos/home.htm Burriana (Castellon) SPAIN From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 6 13:07:54 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id NAA32053; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 13:07:33 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 13:07:33 -0700 X-Sender: "Stefan Hartmann" X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Re: TEP article updated; theoretical proof of overunity added ! Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 22:09:51 +0100 Message-Id: <19971006220951.7dc960aa.in@pop3.vossnet.de> Resent-Message-ID: <"njgy03.0.iq7.3KKEq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1151 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > >Sorry to be a bearer of bad news again but... > >The equation number 7 (the one that starts the theoretical >section) is rather wrong. It takes no account of the fact that the >coils have mutual inductance and the "L dI/dt" should be cancelling >somewhere (being bifilar wound and inversly connected). Of course >if the analysis was for a different circuit with separate coils >then it is probably fine and I'm sorry I misunderstood. I didn't >look past that first equation. Yes, the new explanation is for 2 not coupled coils which do not interact with their inductance in any way... The test circuit was just a test with a different setup coil. But in general one can already prove it with 2 normal coils which are placed away, so their magnetic flux is not interacting ! Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 6 15:16:21 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id PAA22988; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 15:15:57 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 15:15:57 -0700 Message-Id: <199710062215.PAA02725@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: "Free Energy" Subject: test Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 14:56:13 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"S2elW3.0.0d5.SCMEq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1152 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: test From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 6 16:25:53 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id QAA04574; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 16:25:25 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 16:25:25 -0700 From: steve-nyeoka@juno.com To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Need a list of Dictionary words in txt format. Message-ID: <19971006.192606.7727.0.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> References: <199710060729.RAA14255@main.murray.net.au> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-4 Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 19:24:38 EDT Resent-Message-ID: <"gBttR.0.G71.ZDNEq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1153 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: If you only need a listing of words, checkout an older DOS wordprocessor and see if the spell check feature uses an ASCII format file (you may need to use MASM to edit it). Steve From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 6 16:25:53 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id QAA04619; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 16:25:33 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 16:25:33 -0700 From: steve-nyeoka@juno.com To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Bessler's Wheel ("Wheel of Orffyreus") Message-ID: <19971006.192606.7727.1.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> References: <3.0.3.32.19971005181007.007a6140@galileo.pi.infn.it> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-7,9-11 Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 19:24:38 EDT Resent-Message-ID: <"I1YHG.0.-71.iDNEq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1154 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Sun, 05 Oct 1997 18:10:07 +0100 John Winterflood writes: >The guy (John Collins) says he has done extensive research into >Bessler's Wheel and is now selling a little book about it called >"Perpetual Motion; An Ancient Mystery Solved?" It sounds pretty >interesting to me and I am intending to purchase a copy. > I never heard of Bessler's Wheel, but would be interested to hear what you find out. Steve From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 6 19:12:27 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id SAA28287; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 18:59:31 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 18:59:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: "Unverified" X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, newman-l@emachine.com From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: theoretical proof of overunity article again updated... Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 03:57:23 +0100 Message-Id: <19971007035723.7f078ce7.in@pop3.vossnet.de> Resent-Message-ID: <"COglo3.0.sv6.1UPEq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1155 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi, I have updated it again for a better reading and understanding. Here it is: http://www.overunity.de/poover/tep.htm or via http://168.144.2.41/poover/tep.htm Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 6 20:24:24 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id UAA23084; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 20:23:47 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 20:23:47 -0700 Message-ID: <3439BBF9.44FE@mediacity.com> Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 20:35:05 -0800 From: "M.Twain" X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: More Schauberger Pages? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"wELrI2.0.be5.2jQEq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1156 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Anyone know of any additional Viktor Schauberger Pages out there? Currently I have these: [http://www.cse.hks.se/~di6jenl] Jens Landgre/Schauberger [http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/evolving/water.htm] Harry & Liz/Schauberger [http://www.brainmind.com/schauberger.html] Brainmind/Schauberger [http://www2.murray.net.au/users/egel/turbine.htm] Egel/Schauberger [http://www.aktivdata.com/uvo] Wasserbelebung/Schauberger [http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135/victor.htm] Schauberger's Inventions All are linked from: [http://www.mediacity.com/~muse/schau.html] Millennium From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 6 20:26:59 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id UAA23913; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 20:26:44 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 20:26:44 -0700 Message-ID: <3439ADD2.2D@gorge.net> Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 20:34:42 -0700 From: tom@gorge.net (Tom Miller) Reply-To: tom@gorge.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re:how to get power out of a Minto Wheel References: <199710060501.WAA25000@mx1.eskimo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"uGRBk1.0.Wr5.olQEq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1157 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Minto Wheel: PRO: Low tech, uses low grade heat, maybe solar. CON: Too slow, can't extract useful energy. SOLUTION: Attach a crankshaft to the Axis of the wheel. Attach one end of double acting hydraulic cylinder(s) to crank,(moving) the other end to frame (stationary). at each end of the cylinder, two one-way valves, such that low pressure (feed) hydraulic fluid is sucked in on the intake stroke, and pressurized fluid is expelled on the power stroke. Pressurized fluid feeds to an "accumulator," which feeds steady pressure to hydraulic motor(s). Size and number of cylinders utilized depends on designed balance between pressure, and volume of flow needed. Probably could be calculated before building. Parts are reasonablyy low tech, low priced, and available from Northern Hydraulics. Tom Miller From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 6 23:02:32 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id WAA27705; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 22:48:09 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 22:48:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 22:47:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710070547.WAA06149@denmark.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: TEP article updated; theoretical proof of overunity added ! Resent-Message-ID: <"PAx8R2.0.km6.LqSEq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1158 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hello John and everyone, >Dieter Bauer has just updated the recent article >of the TEP circuit of Jean Louis Naudin and Stefan Hartmann. > >It is now added a theoretical section. Is it showing that a TEP circuit can be considered a L, R circuit with a rectangular pulse as input, derived from the switch (Mosfet)on/off? >There it is shown, that the overunity efficiency can be derived using >conventional >network theory of electro-engineering. >Please have a look at it and send your comments, please ! I have some questions before any comments. Equation 9a, 9b, are there some missing exponential functions?? I don't understand some of the values, either. My opinion is that the ON time constant is different from the OFF one, and both may be functions of time with the difference of I(L1)-I(L2). To test this, built a modified TEP 6.0. Changes are. Moved the load resistor to the + battery (12 Volts) leads. Changed it from 1K to 4 Ohms. No diodes. This way, one lead of the switched coil is connected to the - battery lead, as well as the source of the switching MOSFET. It can be driven with a normal gate pulse with respect to - battery. Any gate charging current doesn't pass through the 2 coils. The bifilar coil is 2X55 turns, #22AWG (7/10mm) Diameter has been increased to a LARGE value of 31cm. Calculated inductance of each coil= 1.3mH. Measured resistance = ~3.5 Ohm each. Measured point 1) across both coils = V(battery) -V(load R): OFF time (190uS) 8 volts. "NI" ON time (290uS) Voltage decreases approx linearly to 7.4 volts. Estimated time constant at beginning 150uS, decreasing with time. ON to OFF: back to 8 volts, time constant about 5uS. Measured point 2) across right coil or MOSFET: ON time: about 0 volts OFF time: first 5uS + pulse at breakdown of MOSFET, +90 volts. 2'nd 5uS ~0 volts Rest of OFF time: 200KHz ringing waveform Start about 12V p-p. decaying with a time constant ~200uS until next ON time. This appears different from the original TEP 6.0. Does anyone have any comments? -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 7 03:37:02 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id DAA19434; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 03:36:02 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 03:36:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 22:59:27 +1000 Message-Id: <199710071259.WAA26321@main.murray.net.au> X-Sender: egel@main.murray.net.au (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Geoff Egel Subject: Re: Re : updated Coler and have Harry E. Perrico Invention Resent-Message-ID: <"RY4d71.0.Yl4.F2XEq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1159 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Have added some information on the Invention of Harry E. Perrico along with some text and drawings Have also added a letter from a constructer of Hans Coler Device http://geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135/victor.htm Geoff > >http://www2.murray.net.au/users/egel/ >http://geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135 > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 7 03:56:33 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id DAA26831; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 03:52:53 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 03:52:53 -0700 Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 23:21:46 +1000 Message-Id: <199710071321.XAA26459@main.murray.net.au> X-Sender: egel@main.murray.net.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Geoff Egel Subject: Re: Hammel spinner Resent-Message-ID: <"2hsIv2.0.8Z6.3IXEq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1160 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 02:00 PM 10/6/97 +0200, you wrote: >** Confidential ** > I think you may be missing the point the simple toy is not a free enegery device but a demonstration of a principle of magnetism and how it can maniplated. The Actual Device is three layers of magnetic disks in oppostion to one another David Hamel has actually claimed to have built this device and had flown. It had about $3000 dollars of tandy magnets on it and was a few feet in diameter. The idea seems so stupid it that it won't work but then again it could. have you checked out the hamel update I did. Also suggest you check out the Project Magnet site (web page listing) for information. Hope to have more details shortly. Geoff >Greetings > >I need my faith restored in the Hammel magnetic spinner in that this energy actually comes from the free energy source. > >By looking logically at the arrangement the bottom part of the ball bearing actually rolls along the surface but because it is at an angle it will actually rotate until it spiralled to the centre point where it will come to a halt by friction. > >If a person keeps on altering this angle (By hand) and thus increasing the spiral diameter you are only steering this setup around youself. > >I might be missing a point but for now I am a non believer! > > >Johann > > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 7 04:29:29 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id EAA32370; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 04:27:51 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 04:27:51 -0700 Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 23:56:24 +1000 Message-Id: <199710071356.XAA26639@main.murray.net.au> X-Sender: egel@main.murray.net.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Geoff Egel Subject: Re: Need a list of Dictionary words in txt format. Resent-Message-ID: <"EHdno2.0.gv7.soXEq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1161 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 07:24 PM 10/6/97 EDT, you wrote: >If you only need a listing of words, checkout an older DOS wordprocessor >and see if the spell check feature uses an ASCII format file (you may >need to use MASM to edit it). > >Steve > >Thanks for the tip but I afraid it may not be a complete list and I don't have an access to and old dos word proccessor anyway > Thanks Geoff From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 7 04:37:47 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id EAA21459; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 04:37:33 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 04:37:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 00:05:57 +1000 Message-Id: <199710071405.AAA26694@main.murray.net.au> X-Sender: egel@main.murray.net.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Geoff Egel Subject: Re: More Schauberger Pages? Resent-Message-ID: <"c6HVc2.0.9F5.wxXEq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1162 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 08:35 PM 10/6/97 -0800, you wrote: >Anyone know of any additional Viktor Schauberger Pages out there? >Currently I have these: > you may like to add this one of mine as well I updated on the weekend http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135/victor.htm >[http://www.cse.hks.se/~di6jenl] Jens Landgre/Schauberger > >[http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/evolving/water.htm] >Harry & Liz/Schauberger > >[http://www.brainmind.com/schauberger.html] Brainmind/Schauberger > >[http://www2.murray.net.au/users/egel/turbine.htm] Egel/Schauberger > >[http://www.aktivdata.com/uvo] Wasserbelebung/Schauberger > >[http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135/victor.htm] >Schauberger's Inventions > >All are linked from: >[http://www.mediacity.com/~muse/schau.html] > >Millennium > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 7 04:40:55 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id EAA05321; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 04:40:40 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 04:40:40 -0700 Message-Id: <199710071140.NAA50514@sdn5.csc.dk> From: i3683@csc.dk (I3683) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 14:32:00 CET DST Subject: Ang.: Stefan Marinov, by Robert Bass MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <"4WTYD.0.2J1.s-XEq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1163 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: =20 > He was fluent in both English and German. And Italian and Bulgarian.. >He claimed to have seen in operation and learned=20 >the secret of the so-called "Swiss ML converter"=20 >or TESTATIKA electrical generator [which gets free=20 >energy from nowhere], which was discovered by Paul=20 >Baumann ("by inspiration rather than human effort"),=20 >who is the head of the 500-member Christian religious=20 >commune METHERNITHA in Switzerland, He never learnt the secret of the machine, but he did see it in=20 operation. Paul Bauman was a member of, but the head of the=20 religious community. >which says they generate most of the electricity >for hundreds of people via such "perpetuum mobile"=20 >generators, which they are unwilling to share with this=20 >fallen world. =20 I have never heard the claim that the percentage was above 50=20 (most)... >He wrote a book "Divine Electromagnetism" [available=20 >from East West Affiliates in Austria at Morellenfeldgasse=20 >16, 8010 Graz, phone (0316) 37 70 93, for $70 + S&H]=20 >giving his take on the flaws in classical EM as now=20 >taught and how allegedly "high-school level experiments"=20 >can flatly disprove some parts of it in favor of=20 >other versions buried in nowforgotten old literature=20 >before the present version was settled on and now handed=20 >down by the Establishment dogmatically. As East West Affiliates WAS Stefan Marinov, and as the address and=20 telephone number given are those of the now deceased Stefan, I=20 think you will have some difficulty obtaining copies of that or=20 other of Stefan's books now. >He was dead-certain that he had disproved all kinds of=20 >dogmatically-taught aspects of conventional=20 >electromagnetism, (Lorentz-Ampere Force Law, speed of=20 >light, special relativity, ether, Michelson-Morley, etc. -- =20 > I can understand his being "worn out" by the utterly=20 >monolithic refusal of the Establishment to listen to=20 >his allegations that he had measured ether drift (or whatever)=20 >and found in it the rotation of the earth (i.e. some=20 >diurnal variation -- or whatever, my recollection is=20 >hazy). =20 He disproved special relativity in various ways. Most clearly in his=20 coupled mirrors experiment, an ingenious alternative to the=20 Michelson-Morley experiment, where he showed a variation in the=20 speed of light, which depended on the direction relative to the=20 stars. =20 >He published detailed plans for a hydraulic-electro- magnetic=20 >perpetuum mobile and showed photos of it in operation,=20 >but nobody "important" paid the slightest attention to him. =20 He claimed success too early with his electromagnetic perpetuum = mobile.=20 He was so certain that it would work if he got stronger magnets,= that he=20 proclaimed that it was already running. I dont know who financed= the=20 stronger magnets, but even with the stronger magnets it didnt wo= rk.=20 Probably this failure was a main reason for his suicide. =20 After this failure he started to build a rather silly hydrodynam= ic=20 turbine, which he claimed would surely work if mercury was used = as fluid=20 instead of water. His calculations over the turbine were clearly = erroneous.=20 =20 He created a number of alternatives to the Maxwell equations, th= at=20 seemed to fit reality better. His last major result apparently w= as that=20 he disproved one of his own alternatives to the Maxwell equation= s, and=20 had to fall back to a different anternative =20 Anders =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 7 05:05:37 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id FAA13963; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 05:05:22 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 05:05:22 -0700 Comments: ( Received on motgate.mot.com from client mothost.mot.com, sender johnste@me525.ecg.csg.mot.com ) From: "John E. Steck" Message-Id: <971007070514.ZM9841@me525.ecg.csg.mot.com> Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 07:05:13 -0500 In-Reply-To: tom@gorge.net (Tom Miller) "Re:how to get power out of a Minto Wheel" (Oct 6, 10:40pm) References: <199710060501.WAA25000@mx1.eskimo.com> <3439ADD2.2D@gorge.net> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (4.0.1 13Jan97) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Re:how to get power out of a Minto Wheel Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"qvvKh.0.uP3.1MYEq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1164 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Oct 6, 10:40pm, Tom Miller wrote: > SOLUTION: Attach a crankshaft to the Axis of the wheel. > Attach one end of double acting hydraulic cylinder(s) > to crank,(moving) the other end to frame (stationary). > at each end of the cylinder, two one-way valves, such > that low pressure (feed) hydraulic fluid is sucked in on > the intake stroke, and pressurized fluid is expelled on > the power stroke. Pressurized fluid feeds to an "accumulator," > which feeds steady pressure to hydraulic motor(s). > Parts are reasonably low tech, low priced, and available from > Northern Hydraulics. Nice to see this is still nibbling at someone else besides just me. I like the idea. Didn't even consider using an accumulator. I have been working a bit on an idea I have to increase the RPM by modifying the thermodynamics of the system. The work is low priority for me right now, but reports of new, lower RPM generators and ideas like yours are very encouraging to keep at it. Do you have any specific components in mind from NH? -- John E. Steck Prototype Tooling Motorola Inc. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 7 06:40:04 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id GAA02284; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 06:39:31 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 06:39:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971007145218.007fb100@galileo.pi.infn.it> X-Sender: jwinter@galileo.pi.infn.it X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 14:52:18 +0100 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: John Winterflood Subject: Re: Ang.: Stefan Marinov, by Robert Bass In-Reply-To: <199710071140.NAA50514@sdn5.csc.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"o24Jx1.0.UZ.EkZEq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1165 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 14:32 7/10/97 DST, Anders wrote: >> He was fluent in both English and German. >And Italian and Bulgarian.. >>He claimed to have seen in operation and learned >>the secret of the so-called "Swiss ML converter" >>or TESTATIKA electrical generator [which gets free >>energy from nowhere], which was discovered by Paul >>Baumann ("by inspiration rather than human effort"), >>who is the head of the 500-member Christian religious >>commune METHERNITHA in Switzerland, > >He never learnt the secret of the machine, but he did see it in >operation. Paul Bauman was a member of, not the head of the >religious community. He always stated that he did *not* know the secret of the testatika, but I wondered if he knew more than he felt free to say. To my knowledge the number of full members of Methernitha is more like 130 than 500. There are also friends or associates - of which Marinov was one. >>which says they generate most of the electricity >>for hundreds of people via such "perpetuum mobile" >>generators, which they are unwilling to share with this >>fallen world. > >I have never heard the claim that the percentage was above 50 >(most)... >From what I saw the percentage was rather close to zero. It is possible that they generated some power in earlier days but it seems that in an effort to keep the lid on the secret, they do not use it at all nowadays. >>He wrote a book "Divine Electromagnetism" [available >>from East West Affiliates in Austria at Morellenfeldgasse >>16, 8010 Graz, phone (0316) 37 70 93, for $70 + S&H] >>giving his take on the flaws in classical EM as now >>taught and how allegedly "high-school level experiments" >>can flatly disprove some parts of it in favor of >>other versions buried in nowforgotten old literature >>before the present version was settled on and now handed >>down by the Establishment dogmatically. > >As East West Affiliates WAS Stefan Marinov, and as the address and >telephone number given are those of the now deceased Stefan, I >think you will have some difficulty obtaining copies of that or >other of Stefan's books now. He left a large stock of his publications with a friend (who's name escapes me just now but it may be found on INE's website) just before he commited suicide, and I expect that it might be possible to obtain copies from that person for a short while. He sent most libraries free copies of some of his books but most libraries trashed or burnt them. I managed to borrow a copy of his 3 volume set calle "Classical Physics" from a library once. >>He was dead-certain that he had disproved all kinds of >>dogmatically-taught aspects of conventional >>electromagnetism, (Lorentz-Ampere Force Law, speed of >>light, special relativity, ether, Michelson-Morley, etc. -- > >> I can understand his being "worn out" by the utterly >>monolithic refusal of the Establishment to listen to >>his allegations that he had measured ether drift (or whatever) >>and found in it the rotation of the earth (i.e. some >>diurnal variation -- or whatever, my recollection is >>hazy). > >He disproved special relativity in various ways. Most clearly in his >coupled mirrors experiment, an ingenious alternative to the >Michelson-Morley experiment, where he showed a variation in the >speed of light, which depended on the direction relative to the >stars. Yes an excellent experiment in concept. My guess is the academic world did not give it any credence because it claimed such an earth- shattering result from an experiment that was done with an enormous lack of rigour and self-criticism. In my opinion it did not deserve to be taken seriously until replicated. The call for someone to replicate was given in the literature but to the best of my knowledge it has never been done. One of his other experiment claiming to detect aether drift (using a current loop and a sensitive electroscope) was deeply flawed to my understanding and proves (to me at least) that he was quite capable of measuring effects that were not there to be measured. This was the main reason I am unwilling to accept his other experimental results very readily. He was so sure of the result that they weren't "experiments" at all to him. >>He published detailed plans for a hydraulic-electro- magnetic >>perpetuum mobile and showed photos of it in operation, >>but nobody "important" paid the slightest attention to him. > >He claimed success too early with his electromagnetic perpetuum mobile. >He was so certain that it would work if he got stronger magnets, that he >proclaimed that it was already running. I dont know who financed the >stronger magnets, but even with the stronger magnets it didnt work. >Probably this failure was a main reason for his suicide. > >After this failure he started to build a rather silly hydrodynamic >turbine, which he claimed would surely work if mercury was used as fluid >instead of water. His calculations over the turbine were clearly >erroneous. > >He created a number of alternatives to the Maxwell equations, that >seemed to fit reality better. His last major result apparently was that >he disproved one of his own alternatives to the Maxwell equations, and >had to fall back to a different anternative It is a great regret to me now that I had not made the effort to meet him earlier. I thought I would fit it in this month or next but now my chance has gone. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 7 07:46:17 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id HAA10213; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 07:45:39 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 07:45:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710071445.QAA23486@sdn5.csc.dk> From: i3683@csc.dk (I3683) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 17:34:00 CET DST Subject: Ang.: Re: Ang.: Stefan Marinov, by Robert Bass MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <"V9w6M.0.QV2.DiaEq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1166 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: =20 > To my knowledge the number of full members=20 >of Methernitha is more like 130 than 500. There are=20 >also friends or associates - of which Marinov was one. Yes, 500 seems an exageration =20 =20 >Yes an excellent experiment in concept. My guess is the=20 >academic world did not give it any credence because it claimed=20 >such an earth- shattering result from an experiment that was=20 >done with an enormous lack of rigour and self-criticism. In=20 >my opinion it did not deserve to be taken seriously=20 >until replicated. The call for someone to replicate was given=20 >in the literature but to the best of my knowledge it has never=20 >been done. =20 The experiment was originally published by Silvertooth (in Nature, = I=20 think) Marinov did a replication of Silvertooth's experiment. =20 Regards, Anders From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 7 09:24:59 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id JAA17973; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 09:24:40 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 09:24:40 -0700 Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 09:24:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710071624.JAA15348@sweden.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Homopolar generator Resent-Message-ID: <"70RHC.0.jO4.69cEq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1167 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I have built a small Faraday Homopolar generator and do not get the output I expect. With a r.p.m. = 1200 Radius of copper disk = 7.5 cm Magnetic field (Ceramic magnet from sub-woofer) estimate 1000 gauss= 0.1T I calculate from V=(omega)*r*r*B/2 the voltage to be about 1.8 Volts. I measure only a few mV/uA output. Does anyone have any suggestions? -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 7 09:25:34 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id JAA24325; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 09:25:01 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 09:25:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 09:24:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710071624.JAA15361@sweden.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Moebius coils Resent-Message-ID: <"-bE033.0.tx5.P9cEq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1168 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I have been reading about Moebius coils. If one takes a Moebius strip and mark and cut it out in 1/3's, one gets 2 loops, one twice as long as the other( the 2 end thirds). Should this give strange effects with currents in a loop with the 2 effective lengths??? Isn't this true only for a closed loop where part 1, the first third, is connected to part 3 and back again. Once the loop is cut, it appears as a (twisted) length but all one length. Think of ants walking from one end to the other. Turns in coils are not closed, but are connected "end to end" like a cut length, so the length differences are not seen. Any comments? -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 7 09:29:15 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id JAA24932; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 09:28:48 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 09:28:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <343A7383.2A7A@mediacity.com> Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 09:38:11 -0800 From: "M.Twain" X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Alexis Guy Obolensky Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"D1yKl3.0.S56.-CcEq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1169 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I have a 'new' superluminality/overunity Guy Obolensky page at [mediacity.com/~muse/obolensky.html], but am having difficulty digging up all the references. Guy loves phone calls, and is talkative and informative, but when it comes to correpondence he's a zilch. I've got his 1988 Tesla presentation "The Mechanics of Time", but want a copy of his 1986 Tesla presentation "The Magnetic Force is Faster than Light". Anyone want to swap? Also, I have his (pithy) "Research Notes" article from Apeiron, June 1993 -- but do not have a copy of his presentation at this years' 1997 Colorado Conference. I also have some Kozyrev and other related reference papers he uses. Exchanges anyone? My mailing address for one more week is: Post Office Box E, Menlo Park CA 94026 Assuming I go ahead and take up my responsibilies at the DePalma Institute (sans DePalma), there will be another address for the week after that. [Which I will confirm by the end of this week...] Millennium From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 7 09:44:56 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id JAA24239; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 09:44:29 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 09:44:29 -0700 Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 18:47:11 +0200 Message-Id: <199710071647.SAA14989@beta.vossnet.de> X-Sender: leoguitar@pop3.vossnet.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, newman-l@eskimo.com From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Re: Homopolar generator, N--machines DO NOT WORK ! Cc: ddameron@earthlink.net Resent-Message-ID: <"gR5cQ.0.bw5.iRcEq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1170 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 09:24 07.10.1997 -0700, freenrg-l@eskimo.com wrote: >I have built a small Faraday Homopolar generator and do not get the output= I >expect. With a r.p.m. =3D 1200 >Radius of copper disk =3D 7.5 cm >Magnetic field (Ceramic magnet from sub-woofer) estimate 1000 gauss=3D 0.1T >I calculate from V=3D(omega)*r*r*B/2 the voltage to be about 1.8 Volts. >I measure only a few mV/uA output. Does anyone have any suggestions? >-Dave > Forget an N-machine. Not even DePalma did get it to work ! Also not some other guys I know who spend around 200.000 US$ in machine equipment ! The N-machine or homopolar voltage is induced inside the back wires closing your circuit ! There the magnetic flux lines are cut ! You don=B4t see it first hand, but is is obvious ! Also the brushes have a nonlinear resistance when high current flows versus when no current flows... This is where always the "incremental overunity" was measured, but there was nowhere any real overunity measured ! Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 7 10:30:12 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id KAA03352; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 10:29:46 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 10:29:46 -0700 From: JNaudin509@aol.com Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:27:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971007132527_912260637@emout02.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com cc: ddameron@earthlink.net, fepps@mail1.halcyon.com Subject: Re : Moebius coils MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="PART.BOUNDARY.0.15308.emout02.mail.aol.com.876245127" Resent-Message-ID: <"L3mng1.0.Eq.86dEq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1171 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: --PART.BOUNDARY.0.15308.emout02.mail.aol.com.876245127 Content-ID: <0_15308_876245127@emout02.mail.aol.com.7145> Content-type: text/plain On 07/10/1997 18:32:07 , Dave dameron wrote : << I have been reading about Moebius coils. If one takes a Moebius strip and mark and cut it out in 1/3's, one gets 2 loops, one twice as long as the other( the 2 end thirds). Should this give strange effects with currents in a loop with the 2 effective lengths??? Isn't this true only for a closed loop where part 1, the first third, is connected to part 3 and back again. Once the loop is cut, it appears as a (twisted) length but all one length. Think of ants walking from one end to the other. Turns in coils are not closed, but are connected "end to end" like a cut length, so the length differences are not seen. Any comments? -Dave >> Hi All, You will find in the attached document a picture of my Moebius coil that I have recently tested, the Moebius coil is inductive and can interact with some external B-Field.... Specs : 19 moebius' turns of # 24 AWG Ferrite torus : 29mm diam ext., 18mm diam ext., 7 mm thick. Any comments are welcome.... 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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi: I'm interested in learning more about your experience with VocalTec. Are = there additional expenses associated with its use, besides purchasing = the software and continuing to pay for your own ISP? This could be an answer to a tremendous need I have to cut my phone = expenses. Thanks in advance for your reply. Steve Kaplan -----Original Message----- From: Hinman, Jeffrey M [SMTP:Jeffrey.Hinman@PSS.Boeing.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 1997 1:24 PM To: 'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'; 'crosiar@GOLDRUSH.COM' Subject: RE: Viewing patent images Hi Wes. I have tried the Internet Phone by VocalTec - rated the best. Trial version is good for a couple weeks. Full program is $50 (two licenses) sold in many software retail stores. Try: http://www.vocaltec.com/ > ---------- > From: Wes Crosiar[SMTP:crosiar@GOLDRUSH.COM] > Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 1997 12:57 PM > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Viewing patent images >=20 > In the past someone mentioned a program that could be downloaded that > would > clean up the IBM Patent images. 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Dave wrote: >I have built a small Faraday Homopolar generator and do not get the output I >expect. How are the pole pieces shaped? Speaker magnets are usually slugs or rings, but you need a horn gap for optimum performance. I've seen a large homopolar generator, of the type used to degauss ships. They do work...but with no hint of U/O operation. If you have N-machine aspirations, I agree with Stefan. It just flat out doesn't work.... Although I don't agree with Stefan's analysis of the homopolar generator, or consider the two to be equivalent. Best Regards, JD ---------------------------------------------------- "Somewhere between anticipation and nostalgia we should have been happy." -Too Much Coffee Man #1 E-mail to mules@palacenet.net ---------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 7 11:18:06 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id LAA13445; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 11:17:49 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 11:17:49 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971007181640.00698cc0@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 18:16:40 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: Re: Homopolar generator In-Reply-To: <199710071624.JAA15348@sweden.it.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"t3hwa.0.sH3.CpdEq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1174 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi Dave, All.... Dave wrote: >I have built a small Faraday Homopolar generator and do not get the output I >expect. How are the pole pieces shaped? Speaker magnets are usually slugs or rings, but you need a horn gap for optimum performance. I've seen a large homopolar generator, of the type used to degauss ships. They do work...but with no hint of U/O operation. If you have N-machine aspirations, I agree with Stefan. It just flat out doesn't work.... Although I don't agree with Stefan's analysis of the homopolar generator, or consider the two to be equivalent. Best Regards, JD ---------------------------------------------------- "Somewhere between anticipation and nostalgia we should have been happy." -Too Much Coffee Man #1 E-mail to mules@palacenet.net ---------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 7 11:38:59 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id LAA13672; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 11:34:57 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 11:34:57 -0700 (PDT) From: MFergerson@aol.com Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 14:31:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971007142721_-1027062304@emout04.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Homopolar generator, N--machines DO NOT WORK ! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=unknown-8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"pAPiD2.0.VL3.63eEq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1175 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: S. Hartman wrote to ddameron: >Forget an N-machine. > >Not even DePalma did get it to work ! > >Also not some other guys I know who spend around 200.000 US$ >in machine equipment ! >Not even DePalma did get it to work ! > >Also not some other guys I know who spend around 200.000 US$ >in machine equipment ! Sad but true because: >The N-machine or homopolar voltage is induced inside the >back wires closing your circuit ! >There the magnetic flux lines are cut ! > >You don´t see it first hand, but is is obvious ! What he said...everyone looks at the disc and field, and forgets the external circuit..consider it a single loop of wire, and visualize the flux lines cutting it..aha! (sigh) >Also the brushes have a nonlinear resistance when high current flows >versus when no current flows... >This is where always the "incremental overunity" was measured, but >there was nowhere any real overunity measured ! There's a very clear article (debunking type) on this very subject in the Nov 97 issue of "Electronics Now" magazine, by Don Lancaster. He points out the strengths and weaknesses of Homopolar machines in general, and the difficulties inherent in analyzing low-Voltage, high-Current circuitry that lead to mistaken OU claims. Some of it is online at http://www.tinaja.com look for file named HACK64.PDF Be warned, Don is a real hardnose about scientific method, and has a serious bug about OU in general. Mark From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 7 12:10:02 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id MAA18546; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 12:08:41 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 12:08:41 -0700 (PDT) From: HLafonte@aol.com Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 15:07:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971007150604_-859541273@emout12.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: (MER) "Big Y " research (Butch) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="PART.BOUNDARY.0.10499.emout12.mail.aol.com.876251164" Resent-Message-ID: <"VkYpS1.0.XX4.lYeEq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1176 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: --PART.BOUNDARY.0.10499.emout12.mail.aol.com.876251164 Content-ID: <0_10499_876251164@emout12.mail.aol.com.8655> Content-type: text/plain Hi all, Documents for web are still being scanned, look at this if you like in the mean time. 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Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id MAA31771; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 12:36:18 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 12:36:18 -0700 Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 21:38:56 +0200 Message-Id: <199710071938.VAA31536@beta.vossnet.de> X-Sender: leoguitar@pop3.vossnet.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Re: (MER) "Big Y " research (Butch) Resent-Message-ID: <"E3KaU1.0.Km7.nyeEq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1177 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 15:07 07.10.1997 -0400, freenrg-l@eskimo.com wrote: >Content-ID: <0_10499_876251164@emout12.mail.aol.com.8655> >Content-type: text/plain > >Hi all, >Documents for web are still being scanned, look at this if you like in the >mean time. >Thanks, >Butch LaFonte >Content-ID: <0_10499_876251164@emout12.mail.aol.com.8656> >Content-type: image/gif; > name="BUTCH5.GIF" Okay ! Why are you moving the coils mechanically away ? What for ? When do you energize the coils ? -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 7 12:47:08 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id MAA23253; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 12:46:47 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 12:46:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 19:20:15 +0100 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Chris Morriss Subject: Re: Homopolar generator In-Reply-To: <199710071624.JAA15348@sweden.it.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.03a Resent-Message-ID: <"vQAk_1.0.Bh5.Z6fEq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1178 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: In message <199710071624.JAA15348@sweden.it.earthlink.net>, Dave Dameron writes >I have built a small Faraday Homopolar generator and do not get the output I >expect. With a r.p.m. = 1200 >Radius of copper disk = 7.5 cm >Magnetic field (Ceramic magnet from sub-woofer) estimate 1000 gauss= 0.1T >I calculate from V=(omega)*r*r*B/2 the voltage to be about 1.8 Volts. >I measure only a few mV/uA output. Does anyone have any suggestions? >-Dave > Do you have a magnet each side of the disc? Loudspeaker magnet rings will have a hole in the middle, through which a lot of return flux will pass. If you're using the axis of rotation for the centre pick-up brush, then you'll get cancellation of the generated voltage. Don't forget that you're trying to get a uniform flux passing through the disk. It is possible with l/s magnet rings, but the inner pick-up should be at the inside edge of the magnet, not at the axis of rotation. I've never tried it using only one magnet, I've always had one on each side of the disk. -- Chris Morriss From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 7 13:45:28 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id NAA12521; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:44:52 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:44:52 -0700 From: Keasy@aol.com Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 16:44:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971007164023_-1027049257@emout09.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Homopolar generator Resent-Message-ID: <"9C_442.0.X33.3zfEq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1179 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Dave, On the original posting, given the dimensions, speed, etc quoted, I calculate an ideal output of only 35.32 millivolts. But in any event, maintaining 1000 gauss over the *entire surface of the disc* (if you don't its output is partially shorted) seems likely to be difficult. That could be part of the problem. Ken Keasy@aol.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 7 13:52:49 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id NAA14584; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:52:30 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:52:30 -0700 From: steve-nyeoka@juno.com To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: how to get power out of a Minto Wheel Message-ID: <19971007.165228.8135.0.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> References: <199710060501.WAA25000@mx1.eskimo.com> <3439ADD2.2D@gorge.net> <971007070514.ZM9841@me525.ecg.csg.mot.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-6,10-12 Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 16:51:37 EDT Resent-Message-ID: <"rOl1x2.0.mZ3.D4gEq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1180 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Tue, 7 Oct 1997 07:05:13 -0500 "John E. Steck" writes: >On Oct 6, 10:40pm, Tom Miller wrote: > >Nice to see this is still nibbling at someone else besides just me. > I been intregued by this design for years. I had the idea of making more of a cylinadar of horizontally stacked units to increase torque. I have also recently considered a rotery valve idea (that would shunt the fluid to only the empty chamber in the 1 to 4 o'clock positions). Steve Heckman From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 7 14:15:11 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id OAA05993; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 14:14:51 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 14:14:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971007231723.007ffa40@galileo.pi.infn.it> X-Sender: jwinter@galileo.pi.infn.it X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 23:17:23 +0100 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: John Winterflood Subject: Re: Stefan Marinov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"yYUdD1.0.YT1.8PgEq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1181 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >The experiment was originally published by Silvertooth (in Nature, I >think) Marinov did a replication of Silvertooth's experiment. Not as I recall. Silvertooth's experiment was a single beam interferometer (using a transparent photodetector so that light coming from each direction would mostly pass through but the little that produced a photon current gave interference). He published it in some optical periodical. The experiment did get a mention in Nature in a letter to the editor or something like that. I have wondered what the final verdict was on his result - I seem to remember this rumour that even Silvertooth does not believe his result was correct or something. Marinov's experiments by comparison used very simple - even old fashioned equipment - photocels and galvanometers! etc. He managed by some skullduggery to get his rotating mirrors one published in GRG (General Relativity and Gravitation). Apparently he was only supposed to report his experiment and results - not to draw conclusions, but after passing peer review he slipped in the naughty bits (concluding SR was wrong) in the correction phase! I think ever after that he was banned from publishing in GRG. But he did a few earlier experiments which got more sophisticated as time went on. The one where I think he measured a result which wasn't there to be measured was published in the "Indian Journal of Theoretical Physics" of all places. I don't think he ever got anything peer reviewed into Nature although he tried with all his might. He ended up getting some of his ideas published in Nature by placing a paid advertisement (at a high cost). But after one or two of those Nature wouldn't even accept his money and refused the advertisement! I really wish he had got himself on the web, had a web page for his publishing and advertising, and been able to take part in some of these discussion lists! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 7 14:27:48 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id OAA20798; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 14:26:55 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 14:26:55 -0700 Message-ID: <343AA7D6.1579A031@ctv.es> Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 23:21:27 +0200 From: Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga Reply-To: vramos@ctv.es X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Re : updated Coler and have Harry E. Perrico Invention X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199710071259.WAA26321@main.murray.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"U-o_q.0.m45.SagEq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1182 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Geoff Egel wrote: > Have added some information on the Invention of Harry E. Perrico along > with > some text and drawings > Have also added a letter from a constructer of Hans Coler Device > > http://geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135/victor.htm > > Geoff > > > > >http://www2.murray.net.au/users/egel/ > >http://geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135 > > > > > > Hi Geoff. I advertise you always forget place "www" for geocities. Vicente. -- Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga E-mail: vramos@ctv.es Home Page: http://www.ctv.es/USERS/vramos/home.htm Burriana (Castellon) SPAIN From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 7 15:03:27 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id PAA16496; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 15:01:24 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 15:01:24 -0700 (PDT) From: HLafonte@aol.com Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 18:00:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971007175312_1588201514@emout02.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: (MER) "Big Y " research (Butch) Resent-Message-ID: <"PUL0m3.0.d14.n4hEq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1183 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: In a message dated 97-10-07 15:39:40 EDT, you write: << Okay ! Why are you moving the coils mechanically away ? What for ? When do you energize the coils ? >> >>snip Stefan, I see the system working with a balance system incorporated with the permanent magnet. (a repulsive force to counter the attractive force) The secret to making the system work as I see It is this: 1. The work to remove the permanent magnet away from the two stators can not be greater than the work that is put into the balance system during the attraction phase of the permanent magnet to the two stators. If it is, then work has to be put into the system to move the magnet away from the stators. 2.The sequence of events are, A. The two stators and the permanent magnet are equally spaced apart, and are placed at 120 degrees intervals. B. As the permanent magnet is moved up toward the two stators, the circuits are open, and the three are attracted to the center. Energy is stored(in the form of repulsion) in the balance section of the permanent magnet (not shown in drawing, it is balanced out buy the attractive forces of the magnet to the stators. Its as if there were no forces at play in the balance system to an observer. C. Now the magnet is moved away (down) and the circuits are closed in the stators. As a current is produced by the collapsing magnetic field in the stators (due to the magnet moving away), S poles are produced in the two stators and they are in repulsion and moved away in the reverse sequence of events. D. All forces remain balanced thru the cycles. E. Question, when the two stators move away from each other due two their repulsion mode, is a back emf produced stopping current flow in the coils? If so, could some tricks be played with the coils, turning one on then the other, ect.? Your comments, please Thanks, Butch From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 7 15:27:49 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id PAA11363; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 15:27:20 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 15:27:20 -0700 X-Sender: bailey@best.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 16:26:16 -0700 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: pgb@padrak.com (Patrick Bailey) Subject: FWD: Death of Bruce dePalma - Confirmed Resent-Message-ID: <"vElJm3.0.Ln2.4ThEq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1184 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Date: Sun, 05 Oct 1997 08:38:18 -0800 From: "M.Twain" MIME-Version: 1.0 To: [snip. lots] Subject: More Sad Tidings - Confirmed Friends, This is to confirm the news of the death of free-energy pioneer Bruce Eldridge DePalma. His final resting place is the soil of West Auckland, New Zealand. I received a confirming telephone call from the DePalma Institute late Friday night (California time). It will probably be a few days before a statement can be released to the Web. Don't know any of the details, but would hazard to guess cancer, ulcers, or some related condition. Bruce strongly empathized with my reactivity to the conformist consumer world and to the resulting "ulcerated mess" seemingly "nurtured within" myself, as he said. He understood my situation of adversity and my goals of harmony, and thus concured with New Zealand and the DePalma Institute as the solution. I haven't had a chance to speak to Chris Tinsley's early death. Would like to respond to his post of January 22, 1997 on the subject of 'push' forces and the aether. I never got to meet or exchange correspondence with Chris. Furthering and extending his quest is all I can offer to do. As he said, "This post is pure prattle, and I apologise in advance for it. I'm just trying to get some kind of a handle on this 'new physics'. And I want very much to avoid the clever stuff, just to look at the basics." "We know that two ships parked close together in choppy seas will be pushed together by the fact that longer waves are excluded from the space between them, and the idea seems to be that this kind of action explains all the forces?" My question to the discussion groups is -- this certainly explains the (electromagnetogravitic wave) Casimir phenomenum, but why do planets NOT fall into stars? Stars NOT fall into galactic cores? Clearly the stellar and galactic-scale standing aether (plasma-group) waves have equal repulsive components. And do not equal numbers of examples exist of expanding galactic systems, as opposed to contracting? Is not the micro-scale aether just like the cosmic-scale aether, in that sense? Does not repulsion exist as often, and in balance with attraction? Compression as rarifaction? Unraveling and decay as often as superposition, beading, and soliton creation? That I believe is the nature of the ubiquitous EMG aenertial vortex wave of experience. Of action. Of spin and propagation flux density. Aether waves are repulsive from the outside, attractive on the inside? Repulsive from the outside slope so-to-speak, attractive to the inside slope? Goodbye Chris. Goodbye Bruce. We will do all we can to clear up our minds, and strengthen our bodies. Whether we are in time to give this planet a chance, I largely doubt, Millennium ---------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 7 16:13:21 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id QAA07507; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 16:12:54 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 16:12:54 -0700 Message-ID: <343ACB91.688@sunherald.infi.net> Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 18:12:30 -0700 From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" Reply-To: stk@sunherald.infi.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Re : Moebius coils References: <971007132527_912260637@emout02.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"hv2K_3.0.Ar1.q7iEq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1185 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: JNaudin509@aol.com wrote: > > On 07/10/1997 18:32:07 , Dave dameron wrote : > > << > I have been reading about Moebius coils. If one takes a Moebius strip and > mark and cut it out in 1/3's, one gets 2 loops, one twice as long as the > other( the 2 end thirds). Should this give strange effects with currents in > a loop with the 2 effective lengths??? Isn't this true only for a closed > loop where part 1, the first third, is connected to part 3 and back again. > Once the loop is cut, it appears as a (twisted) length but all one length. > Think of ants walking from one end to the other. Turns in coils are not > closed, but are connected "end to end" > like a cut length, so the length differences are not seen. Any comments? > -Dave > >> > Hi All, > > You will find in the attached document a picture of my Moebius coil that I > have recently tested, the Moebius coil is inductive and can interact with > some external B-Field.... > > Specs : > 19 moebius' turns of # 24 AWG > Ferrite torus : 29mm diam ext., 18mm diam ext., 7 mm thick. The wire looks heavier than #24. Or is it a trick of JPEG images? Where do you recommend finding the ferrite toroid from? How do you wind such complex, intertwining coils? Thanks, Kyle Mcallister From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 7 16:35:04 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id QAA02232; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 16:33:57 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 16:33:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <343AC681.10B8F9B3@pavilion.co.uk> Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 00:32:24 +0100 From: Rob Dowse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Homopolar generator X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <3.0.3.32.19971007181640.00698cc0@palacenet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"XDX3_2.0.jY.YRiEq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1186 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi All, See:- Electromechanical energy conversion, by Brown, David, Macmillan, 1984, ISBN 0-02-315590-6. There is a great photo of a 5MJ homopolar generator built at the University of Texas. Jack DeMule wrote: > I've seen a large homopolar generator, of the type used to degauss > ships. They do work...but with no hint of U/O operation. If you have > N-machine aspirations, I agree with Stefan. It just flat out doesn't > work.... Although I don't agree with Stefan's analysis of the > homopolar generator, or consider the two to be equivalent. I also agree. Re SMOT3:- I am looking at the Blue-Hole with quickfield...will report later. Thanks for your response Stefan. -- --==oo==-- Rob Dowse From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 7 18:07:08 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id SAA29359; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 18:03:46 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 18:03:46 -0700 From: rvanspaa@eisa.net.au (Robin van Spaandonk) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Re : Moebius coils Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 01:03:20 GMT Organization: Improving Message-ID: <343ad8b8.13969778@mail.eisa.net.au> References: <971007132527_912260637@emout02.mail.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <971007132527_912260637@emout02.mail.aol.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ANeLk.0.dA7.mljEq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1187 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:27:56 -0400 (EDT), JNaudin509@aol.com wrote: [snip] >Hi All, > >You will find in the attached document a picture of my Moebius coil that I >have recently tested, the Moebius coil is inductive and can interact with >some external B-Field.... [snip] Is that what causes it to "float" in the image, or is it just the stiffness of the power supply wires? Regards, Robin van Spaandonk -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Check out: http://www.eisa.net.au/~rvanspaa for how CF depends on temperature. "....,then he should stop, and he will catch up..." PS - no SPAM thanks! -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 7 19:40:28 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id PAA11363; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 15:27:20 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 15:27:20 -0700 X-Sender: bailey@best.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 16:26:16 -0700 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: pgb@padrak.com (Patrick Bailey) Subject: FWD: Death of Bruce dePalma - Confirmed Resent-Message-ID: <"vElJm3.0.Ln2.4ThEq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1184 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Date: Sun, 05 Oct 1997 08:38:18 -0800 From: "M.Twain" MIME-Version: 1.0 To: [snip. lots] Subject: More Sad Tidings - Confirmed Friends, This is to confirm the news of the death of free-energy pioneer Bruce Eldridge DePalma. His final resting place is the soil of West Auckland, New Zealand. I received a confirming telephone call from the DePalma Institute late Friday night (California time). It will probably be a few days before a statement can be released to the Web. Don't know any of the details, but would hazard to guess cancer, ulcers, or some related condition. Bruce strongly empathized with my reactivity to the conformist consumer world and to the resulting "ulcerated mess" seemingly "nurtured within" myself, as he said. He understood my situation of adversity and my goals of harmony, and thus concured with New Zealand and the DePalma Institute as the solution. I haven't had a chance to speak to Chris Tinsley's early death. Would like to respond to his post of January 22, 1997 on the subject of 'push' forces and the aether. I never got to meet or exchange correspondence with Chris. Furthering and extending his quest is all I can offer to do. As he said, "This post is pure prattle, and I apologise in advance for it. I'm just trying to get some kind of a handle on this 'new physics'. And I want very much to avoid the clever stuff, just to look at the basics." "We know that two ships parked close together in choppy seas will be pushed together by the fact that longer waves are excluded from the space between them, and the idea seems to be that this kind of action explains all the forces?" My question to the discussion groups is -- this certainly explains the (electromagnetogravitic wave) Casimir phenomenum, but why do planets NOT fall into stars? Stars NOT fall into galactic cores? Clearly the stellar and galactic-scale standing aether (plasma-group) waves have equal repulsive components. And do not equal numbers of examples exist of expanding galactic systems, as opposed to contracting? Is not the micro-scale aether just like the cosmic-scale aether, in that sense? Does not repulsion exist as often, and in balance with attraction? Compression as rarifaction? Unraveling and decay as often as superposition, beading, and soliton creation? That I believe is the nature of the ubiquitous EMG aenertial vortex wave of experience. Of action. Of spin and propagation flux density. Aether waves are repulsive from the outside, attractive on the inside? Repulsive from the outside slope so-to-speak, attractive to the inside slope? Goodbye Chris. Goodbye Bruce. We will do all we can to clear up our minds, and strengthen our bodies. Whether we are in time to give this planet a chance, I largely doubt, Millennium ---------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 7 19:55:32 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id TAA16012; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 19:55:04 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 19:55:04 -0700 Message-ID: <343BCCC6.47E0@triode.net.au> Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 11:11:18 -0700 From: Maxwell X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Homopolar generator, N--machines DO NOT WORK ! References: <971007142721_-1027062304@emout04.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"_lXFM2.0.uv3.4OlEq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1189 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: MFergerson@aol.com wrote: > >The N-machine or homopolar voltage is induced inside the > >back wires closing your circuit ! > >There the magnetic flux lines are cut ! I didnt spend $200k - I took the magnet off the back of an old speaker, put it in a tin lid, put a bolt throught the centre of the tin lid, and stuck it in the chuck of an electric drill. I did get a voltage developing at the periphery. I also suspected induction in the brush wires so I shielded them. I still got a voltage developed. Anyway, any voltage developed due to induction in the associates wiring will be counter to the generator voltage because of the reversed magnetic field ouside of the edge of the disk. > There's a very clear article (debunking type) on this very subject in the > Nov 97 issue of "Electronics Now" magazine, by Don Lancaster. He points out > the strengths and weaknesses of Homopolar machines in general, and the > difficulties inherent in analyzing low-Voltage, high-Current circuitry that > lead to mistaken OU claims. > > Some of it is online at http://www.tinaja.com look for file named > HACK64.PDF He didnt try the experiment either(?) Maxwell. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 7 19:55:40 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id TAA15998; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 19:55:01 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 19:55:01 -0700 Message-ID: <343BCA11.4ECA@triode.net.au> Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 10:59:45 -0700 From: Maxwell X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Free Energy List Subject: Fwd: radiactive saturn probe Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"SQG5o2.0.kv3.4OlEq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1188 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Return-Path: owner-obrl-news@jefferson.village.Virginia.EDU Received: from jefferson.village.Virginia.EDU (jefferson.village.Virginia.EDU [128.143.200.11]) by iggy.triode.net.au (8.8.5/8.6.9(iggy)) with ESMTP id BAA00794 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 01:56:59 +1000 Received: (from domo@localhost) by jefferson.village.Virginia.EDU (8.8.5/8.6.6) id KAA48714 for obrl-news-outgoing; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 10:28:34 -0400 Received: from www.wellnow.com (user-38lcai6.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.42.70]) by jefferson.village.Virginia.EDU (8.8.5/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA48956 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 10:28:13 -0400 Received: from www.wellnow.com [207.69.134.106] by mail.wellnow.com with smtp id IXCRFEZI; Tue, 07 Oct 97 14:28:49 GMT (PowerWeb version 4.02r9) Received: from jefferson.village.Virginia.EDU (jefferson.village.Virginia.EDU [128.143.200.11]) by camel16.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA07501 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 05:59:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from domo@localhost) by jefferson.village.Virginia.EDU (8.8.5/8.6.6) id FAA75336 for obrl-news-outgoing; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 05:24:59 -0400 Received: from www.wellnow.com (user-38lc96e.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.36.206]) by jefferson.village.Virginia.EDU (8.8.5/8.6.6) with SMTP id FAA78404 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 05:24:52 -0400 Received: from www.wellnow.com [207.69.134.106] by mail.wellnow.com with smtp id IWZTVSNI; Tue, 07 Oct 97 09:25:24 GMT (PowerWeb version 4.02r9) Received: from jefferson.village.Virginia.EDU (jefferson.village.Virginia.EDU [128.143.200.11]) by camel9.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA16293 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 05:16:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from domo@localhost) by jefferson.village.Virginia.EDU (8.8.5/8.6.6) id EAA73840 for obrl-news-outgoing; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 04:35:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: jefferson.village.Virginia.EDU: domo set sender to owner-obrl-news@localhost using -f Received: from one.mind.net (one.mind.net [206.99.66.5]) by jefferson.village.Virginia.EDU (8.8.5/8.6.6) with ESMTP id EAA45164 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 04:35:14 -0400 Received: from [206.151.158.228] (ip123.mind.net [206.151.158.228]) by one.mind.net (8.8.5/8.6.10) with SMTP id VAA15073 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 21:37:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710070437.VAA15073@one.mind.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 21:32:48 -0800 To: *OBRL News From: demeo@mind.net (James DeMeo) Sender: owner-obrl-news@jefferson.village.Virginia.EDU Precedence: bulk Reply-To: obrl-news@jefferson.village.Virginia.EDU From: OBRL-News To: obrl-news@lists.village.Virginia.EDU Subject:- Cassini Plutonium Satellite to be Launched Soon Orgone Biophysical Research Lab http://id.mind.net/community/orgonelab/index.htm Forwarded News Item Please copy and distribute to other interested individuals and groups ********** A wake-up call has gone out throughout the world, to confront NASA and President Clinton about the huge risks associated with forthcoming launch of the Cassini probe to Saturn. The satellite contains over 70 pounds of radioactive plutonium, one of the world's most toxic materials, which if spread into the wind from a launch-explosion could theoretically kill the entire population of planet Earth, or at least make Florida uninhabitable, similar to the region surrounding the Chernobyl nuclear plant which self-destructed some years ago. The Titan IV launch booster used to send Cassini into space has a one-in-twenty malfunction rate, and many significant dangers about this plutonium-powered satellite are being covered-up by NASA. Only recently has the US news media given some coverage to the issue, having been more concerned about the welfare of a single American astronaut going to the accident-prone Russian MIR space station. Below are a list of web sites (in HTML form) presenting critical information on the subject. Please express your opinions to President Clinton, as soon as possible. http://www.afn.org/~fcpj/space/art/index.htm Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii; name="index.htm" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="index.htm" Content-Base: "http://www.afn.org/~fcpj/space/art/ind ex.htm" FCPJ : Articles on space/plutonium/weaponization of space - and useful Internet links

ARTICLES AND INTERNET LINKS
RELATED TO THE CASSINI MISSION

New!
How many could be killed is subject of debate
By Seth Borenstein of The Sentinel Staff
The Orlando Sentinel, September 28, 1997

New!
NASA Satellite Plunges Into Earth
NASA's Lewis satellite plunged into Earth's atmosphere Sunday and apparently burned up over the south Atlantic off the coast of Antarctica
AP article posted to AOL News 28 September

New!
Anti-Cassini sites on Webring
Thanks to Eric Kobrin in Miami

A Scientific Critique by Dr. Michio Kaku
Detailed and persuasive article by CUNY - Nuclear Physicist

Cassini is a Bad Seed
by Bruce K. Gagnon, Coordinator FCPJ

If Plutonium Stays On Board, Cassini Should Stay On Earth
Palm Beach Post 9/21, Editorial page

Solar Cell Efficiency Nearly Doubled
Hughes Space and Communications Co. news release
FLORIDA TODAY September 17, 1997

From Italy: A Boomerang in Space
Comprehansive article published in Italian by Guerra e Pace (War and Peace) September Issue (No. 42)
Guerra e Pace: is a monthly specializing in "alternative" internatonal news coverage

Reports about Cassini activities in Germany.
Germans have not been idle . . .
Updated!

Activists rally, resist to stop Cassini launch
Article by Robyn Suriano
FLORIDA TODAY September 14, 1997

Scientists to help NASA detect radiation leaks
Excerps from: AP - Las Vegas Review Journal (Saturday, September 13, 1997)

Sympathetic NASA Worker Suspended
FLORIDA TODAY Space Online (September 13, 1997)
By Robyn Suriano

Powered by Plutonium, Saturn Mission Provokes Warnings of Danger
This piece from the New York Times is a breakthrough for the Cassini story. It indicates that people are beginning to listen even among the power media.
NYT September 8, 1997. By William J. Broad

Sierra Club Executive Director appeals to the Whitehouse to stop the Cassini launch.
Sierra Club statement

GROSSMAN'S NEW BOOK
New York journalism professor Karl Grossman has now written a new book called

"The Wrong Stuff: The Space Programs's Nuclear Threat To Our Planet."

The book details NASA's mishaps with plutonium-fueled missions to date, documents the growing pressures by the nuclear industry to put nuclear power into space, and reveals how the Pentagon intends to become "Master of Space" with a new generation of space-based weapons.
The book can be obtained from the FCPJ for $22.95 plus $3 shipping/handling.
Send your check to FCPJ, PO Box 90035, Gainesville, Fl 32607

The Cassini Debate (www.rain.org/~openmind/cassini.htm)
Should Cassini's plutonium power source go back to the drawingboard?
Edited by Jane Wardlow Prettyman formerly at (the old) Esquire Magazine

Solar power alternatives to nuclear for interplanetary space probes
By Ross McCluney, Ph.D., Principal Research Scientist, Florida Solar Energy Center, 1679 Clearlake Rd., Cocoa, FL 32922, 14 August 1997.

200,000 could be killed in Cassini accident!
Nuclear Physicist, Dr. Michio Kaku, calculates that 200,000 could be killed in Cassini accident. NASA, he says, "is taking the lowest possible estimates at each point in this risk calculation . . ."

NASA Could Destroy Planet
New Frontier OnLine Magazine analyses Plutonium risks.

Safety of Cassini
Article Published in The Sentinel, Saturday, June 14, 1997 (Page A6)
Dr. Kohn, A retired NASA safety official has switched sides on the issue of launching nuclear material and is telling Brevard County residents to leave town in October when NASA tries to send a probe with 72 pounds of plutonium into space.
Text of Dr. Kohn's talk to FCPJ

Gambling with the Devil
Postponing the launch for a solar-fuel-cell redesign
From www.lovearth.org

The most censored story: Cassini
Panel of judges picks Cassini as most censored stories of the year.

NASA to Launch Secret Rocket
6:58 am PST 22 Feb 97 - A dry run for launching 72 pounds of radioactive plutonium into space.
By Matt Drudge.

The Budget you Can't See
Their objective is to become "masters of space," "to control space," to develop star wars - to have first strike capability. Article from the Washington Post.

U.S. Space Command Prepares for Combat Missions in Space
Article from Aviation Week and Space Technology.

Delta II Rocket Falls to the Odds
5:03 pm PST 17 Jan 97 - No one was hurt in Friday's fiery explosion at Cape Canaveral. But things could get a lot dicier next time, say critics.
By Kristi Coale.

Mission to Saturn Poses Plutonium Threat?
8:00 am PST 17 Dec 96 - The plutionium-powered Mars probe crashed on Bolivia. Science activists are worried something could go wrong in a NASA launch.
By Kristi Coale.

US Media Ignores Real Fate of Failed Russian Probe
8:00 pm PST 13 Dec 96 - The Mars probe did not crash in the Pacific; it crashed on Chile and Bolivia. Did the US media ignore the real story?
By Kristi Coale and James Gloves.

Nuclear Menace in outer space.
Despite the risks, push for nuclear technology in space steps up.
By Karl Grossman. First published December 8th, 1996 in The Baltimore Sun.

Cassini -- NASA'S Millennial Nuclear Nightmare
If you liked Mars '96, you'll LOVE Cassini!
By Chris Bryson.

U.S. Slinging Plutonium into Space
Despite enormous danger and expense, the U.S. government is pushing ahead with development of nuclear technology in space.
By Karl Grossman. First published May, 1996.

Apollo Outtakes
The story that got lost from the book to the movie.
By Karl Grossman. First published September 11th, 1995 in The Nation.

Star Wars and Reactors in Space: A Canadian View
In 1978 another Russian nuclear satellite--Cosmos 954--disintegrated over Canada.
By Michael Bein.

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E-mail the FCPJ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 7 20:31:13 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id UAA06041; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 20:29:50 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 20:29:50 -0700 (PDT) From: atech@ix.netcom.com Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19971007232620.00829b7c@popd.ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: atech@popd.ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 23:26:20 +0000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Homopolar generator, N--machines DO NOT WORK ! Resent-Message-ID: <"IX2Qq2.0.GU1.fulEq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1190 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I read that the efficiency of this type of device goes up with increasing diameter, increasing magnetic field strength, and increasing RPM. In my opinion, a serious R&D effort on this type of device would be no less than $5,000,000.00. Are you absolutely sure your associates tried everything? How about a 10 ft. diameter disk? How about trying that new Takahashi magnet material? What's the story about the Poggendorf brushes that the Swiss ML device reportedly uses? Can this be applied to an N Machine? Tesla suggested modifications to the disk design itself. Was that tried. Well? The poor guy probably isn't even in the ground yet. Let's at least show a little respect please. At 06:47 PM 10/7/97 +0200, you wrote: >At 09:24 07.10.1997 -0700, freenrg-l@eskimo.com wrote: >>I have built a small Faraday Homopolar generator and do not get the output= I >>expect. With a r.p.m. =3D 1200 >>Radius of copper disk =3D 7.5 cm >>Magnetic field (Ceramic magnet from sub-woofer) estimate 1000 gauss=3D= 0.1T >>I calculate from V=3D(omega)*r*r*B/2 the voltage to be about 1.8 Volts. >>I measure only a few mV/uA output. Does anyone have any suggestions? >>-Dave >> > >Forget an N-machine. > >Not even DePalma did get it to work ! > >Also not some other guys I know who spend around 200.000 US$ >in machine equipment ! > >The N-machine or homopolar voltage is induced inside the >back wires closing your circuit ! >There the magnetic flux lines are cut ! > >You don=B4t see it first hand, but is is obvious ! > >Also the brushes have a nonlinear resistance when high current flows >versus when no current flows... >This is where always the "incremental overunity" was measured, but >there was nowhere any real overunity measured ! > >Regards, Stefan. >-- >Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann >Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany >Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 >email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 7 22:52:22 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id WAA14324; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 22:52:04 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 22:52:04 -0700 Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 23:58:03 -0600 (MDT) From: Steve Ekwall X-Sender: ekwall2@november To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Homopolar generator In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19971007131640.00696dbc@palacenet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"Q-oh21.0.iV3.3-nEq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1191 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Tue, 7 Oct 1997, Jack DeMule wrote: >>I've seen a large homopolar generator, of the type used to degauss >>ships. They do work...but with no hint of U/O operation. >> whoa, there Jack, ships?? (philly-style experiments?) COOOL.. was there a before & after that you can talk about? ------------- ps liked your web-page.. :) 'Is she in the house all night long?' -=se=- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 7 23:13:37 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id XAA18322; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 23:13:03 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 23:13:03 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971008000901.0078fb98@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 00:09:01 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: Re: Homopolar generator In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.3.32.19971007131640.00696dbc@palacenet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"0XHnw.0.2U4.jHoEq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1192 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi Steve, all.... At 23:58 10/7/97 -0600, Steve wrote: >whoa, there Jack, ships?? (philly-style experiments?) COOOL.. >was there a before & after that you can talk about? Nothing so exotic...I'm told that they degauss ships so they don't act like compass needles. You can imagine the problems that would cause. I suppose, but don't know if it's true, that mines which sense magnetic disturbances are less sensitive to degaussed ships too. >ps liked your web-page.. :) 'Is she in the house all night long?' Heh! That was a baby picture. He's now seven years old, and has grown to be a big boy, near 1200 lbs. Although if I left the door open it wouldn't surprise me if he tried to sneak inside. He knows where the carrots are kept. Best Regards, JD --------------------------------------------------------------- "Our frightful gods have only changed their names-now they rhyme with "ism."" -Jung mules@palacenet.net --------------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 7 23:34:47 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id XAA28402; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 23:34:23 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 23:34:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 00:40:26 -0600 (MDT) From: Steve Ekwall X-Sender: ekwall2@november To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: [off topic] Re: Homopolar gene.... In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19971008000901.0078fb98@palacenet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"NwBzY2.0.hx6.jboEq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1193 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Wed, 8 Oct 1997, Jack DeMule wrote: >>Heh! That was a baby picture. He's now seven years old, and >>has grown to be a big boy, near 1200 lbs. Although if I left >>the door open it wouldn't surprise me if he tried to sneak inside. >>He knows where the carrots are kept. Carrots.. my sisters 1/4 horse liked(loved) bannanas, really really weird... she'd make him a bannana cake for his birthday each year...(devoured).... weird weird weird.... and I thought OU was odd:) God bless 'em/us all -yah? -=se=- [off topic] I'm out a here... give him an x-tra carrot for me :) thanks and a big ear rub :):) #1200=BIG Boy :) back to free-energy* From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 7 23:51:58 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id XAA00410; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 23:51:39 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 23:51:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 23:51:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710080651.XAA10872@denmark.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: Homopolar generator Resent-Message-ID: <"dY5Hr3.0.I6.uroEq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1194 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Thank all of you for your comments. Stefan, With the magnet rotating with the disk, have thought of the circuit loop generating the EMF. Have thought of some experiments to verify it as well. That shouldn't be a factor with the conventional configuration of a rotating disk and fixed magnet. That doesn't work as I expected, either and there is not much point in going further if the basic one doesn't work. Jack, The magnets I'm using are large ring speaker magnets - 2 facing each other N to S. I am now just trying the basic configuration, not the O/U type. What is a horn gap, by the way? Thought of winding a air core multi-layer solenoid to place the disk inside, but a 1000 Gauss (0.1 Tesla) field isn't trivial - I think it required about 30000 Amp-turns of wire/current! Mark, Will look at the Don Lancaster article. Yes I know he really doesn't like "pseudoscience", but the basic homopolar gen. is "conventional". Chris, My inner contact has been both axial (The B field should be axial there, producing no back EMF), or near the inner diam. of the magnet. I calculated that the inner 30% of the disk produces only 9% of the EMF (proportional to r*r), so haven't worried too much about the hole in the magnet. Using 2 magnets I hoped to get a more uniform axial field around the disk and minimize the flux returning back through the holes. Ken, Could you please check my numbers? With radius in meters and B in Weber/meter = T, the EMF should be in volts. V=(omega)*r*r*B/2 = 6.28*1200*(0.075)*(0.075)*0.1/2= 2.1 volts? Yes the magnetic field needs to be all around the disk, or the radial portions not in the field will short the voltage. I notice with a smaller magnet, the eddy currents produce a large back torque. By spinning the ring magnets and probing with a small pickup coil, I can see small variations in the B field along its surface. > >Dave wrote: >I have built a small Faraday Homopolar generator and do not get the output I >expect. > -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 8 00:43:51 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id AAA32242; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 00:43:19 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 00:43:19 -0700 Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 00:43:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710080743.AAA01408@norway.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: Homopolar generator Resent-Message-ID: <"V_Bua2.0.gt7.LcpEq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1195 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi Everyone, At 12:09 AM 10/8/97 -0500, Jack wrote: > >Nothing so exotic...I'm told that they degauss ships >so they don't act like compass needles. You can imagine >the problems that would cause. I suppose, but don't >know if it's true, that mines which sense magnetic >disturbances are less sensitive to degaussed ships >too. Yes, those that detect a change in the magnetic field direction (a compass needle switch). A degaussed ship still would affect it some. A Dr. Bitter wrote a book on magnetics which included a chapter on WWII ship degaussing and magnetic mines. Planes flew with large diameter, the size of the plane, loop electromagnets to explode the mines. They had to fly low, but not too low. His "Bitter electromagnets" used copper coils, water cooled with enough amp (turns) that the magnet would implode/explode if the water cooling failed. He took them directly to a power generation plant and ran them during night off-peak hours. Don't remember how he got DC current, though. -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 8 00:54:08 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id AAA01206; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 00:53:51 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 00:53:51 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971008095336.00a1b100@bahnhof.se> X-Sender: david@bahnhof.se X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 08:53:36 +0100 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: David Jonsson Subject: Re: Ang.: Stefan Marinov, by Robert Bass Cc: gravitics1@aol.com In-Reply-To: <199710071140.NAA50514@sdn5.csc.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"YucOn1.0.kI.DmpEq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1196 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 14:32 1997-10-07 DST, you wrote: >>He wrote a book "Divine Electromagnetism" [available >>from East West Affiliates in Austria at Morellenfeldgasse >>16, 8010 Graz, phone (0316) 37 70 93, for $70 + S&H] >>giving his take on the flaws in classical EM as now >>taught and how allegedly "high-school level experiments" >>can flatly disprove some parts of it in favor of >>other versions buried in nowforgotten old literature >>before the present version was settled on and now handed >>down by the Establishment dogmatically. > >As East West Affiliates WAS Stefan Marinov, and as the address and >telephone number given are those of the now deceased Stefan, I >think you will have some difficulty obtaining copies of that or >other of Stefan's books now. Where can I learn more abot this book? I would like to buy it if possible. I am especially interested in a more detailed description of currents. To measure currents by I is not applicable in non-neutral conductors. Q and v has to be treated separately. Q Q -> Q ---> Q 3Q*v=I Q*3v=I Case 1 Case 2 Both case 1 and case 2 produce the same current and the same magnetic field around themselves as seen from a stationary observer. However the two fields do not transform in the same way for a moving observer. Assume an observer moving with speed v to the right. He would detect no current or magnetic field from case 2, case 1 would be reduced by 1/3. Can anyone give reference to a detailed study of these fields? David David Jonsson Phone +46-18-24 51 52 Fax +46-18-24 51 56 Uppsala Cellular GSM +46-706-339487 E-mail David@Bahnhof.se Sweden Web: http://bahnhof.se/~david/ Postgiro 499 40 54-7 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 8 04:02:29 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id EAA15824; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 04:01:45 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 04:01:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <342E39E9.4970BA6E@microtronics.com.au> Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 20:35:13 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List Server Freenrg CC: List Server NeoTech , List Server Newman , List Server Vortex Subject: SMOT Mk4 Rollaround Success Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"NJ1te1.0.1t3.JWsEq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1197 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi All, >>>>>>>>>>>>> GREAT NEWS <<<<<<<<<<<< Just got back and the first manufactured SMOT Mk4 rollaround ramp worked first time out of the box. Well, it did need a little polishing. The design is milled out of a solid 75 x 50 x 25mm perspex block. The magnet arrays just drop into place. The rolling surfaces need to be hand finished at this stage. I have today ordered 50 units. Will update by status page with the details. Dropped off a roll of film at the local store. Real photos soon. Now to the 1,200 emails. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 8 05:41:48 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id FAA31656; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 05:41:09 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 05:41:09 -0700 Message-ID: <343B7E2E.B4AC469E@ctv.es> Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 14:35:59 +0200 From: Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga Reply-To: vramos@ctv.es X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Homopolar generator, N--machines DO NOT WORK ! X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <1.5.4.32.19971007232620.00829b7c@popd.ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"xo8f2.0.Rk7.ZztEq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1198 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: atech@ix.netcom.com wrote: > I read that the efficiency of this type of device goes up with > increasing > diameter, increasing magnetic field strength, and increasing RPM. In > my > opinion, a serious R&D effort on this type of device would be no less > than > $5,000,000.00. Are you absolutely sure your associates tried > everything? How > about a 10 ft. diameter disk? How about trying that new Takahashi > magnet > material? What's the story about the Poggendorf brushes that the Swiss > ML > device reportedly uses? Can this be applied to an N Machine? Tesla > suggested > modifications to the disk design itself. Was that tried. Well? > > The poor guy probably isn't even in the ground yet. Let's at least > show a > little respect please. > > At 06:47 PM 10/7/97 +0200, you wrote: > >At 09:24 07.10.1997 -0700, freenrg-l@eskimo.com wrote: > >>I have built a small Faraday Homopolar generator and do not get the > output I > >>expect. With a r.p.m. = 1200 > >>Radius of copper disk = 7.5 cm > >>Magnetic field (Ceramic magnet from sub-woofer) estimate 1000 gauss= > 0.1T > >>I calculate from V=(omega)*r*r*B/2 the voltage to be about 1.8 > Volts. > >>I measure only a few mV/uA output. Does anyone have any suggestions? > > >>-Dave > >> > > > >Forget an N-machine. > > > >Not even DePalma did get it to work ! > > > >Also not some other guys I know who spend around 200.000 US$ > >in machine equipment ! > > > >The N-machine or homopolar voltage is induced inside the > >back wires closing your circuit ! > >There the magnetic flux lines are cut ! > > > >You don´t see it first hand, but is is obvious ! > > > >Also the brushes have a nonlinear resistance when high current flows > >versus when no current flows... > >This is where always the "incremental overunity" was measured, but > >there was nowhere any real overunity measured ! > > > >Regards, Stefan. > >-- > >Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann > >Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany > >Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 > >email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com > > > > > > Not are the materials or parts. The problem is the basis. Does work the MRA? Vicente. -- Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga E-mail: vramos@ctv.es Home Page: http://www.ctv.es/USERS/vramos/home.htm Burriana (Castellon) SPAIN From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 8 05:45:52 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id FAA32303; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 05:44:06 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 05:44:06 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971008064009.00b988a4@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 06:40:09 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: Re: Homopolar generator In-Reply-To: <199710080651.XAA10872@denmark.it.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Plb8A.0.eu7.L0uEq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1199 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi Dave, All.... At 23:51 10/7/97 -0700, Dave wrote: > What >is a horn gap, by the way? The generator that I examined had an electromagnet wound on an armature that was shaped like a horse shoe with the pole ends turned inwards 90 degrees so that they faced each other. __p p __ | | | | | | \_wwwww_/ p=pole faces w=winding I've seen same configuration, employing a permanent magnet where the winding is located, used in both test magnets for calibrating gaussemeter probes, and in (very old) magnetrons. The pole pieces were round and tapered, being thicker at the center where the magnet is located. It did look somewhat like the horns of an animal. Best Regards, JD --------------------------------------------------------------- "Our frightful gods have only changed their names-now they rhyme with "ism."" -Jung mules@palacenet.net --------------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 8 06:56:59 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id GAA14283; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 06:56:24 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 06:56:24 -0700 Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 15:59:13 +0200 Message-Id: <199710081359.PAA05865@beta.vossnet.de> X-Sender: leoguitar@mail.vossnet.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, newman-l@eskimo.com From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: www.overunity.de updated ! Resent-Message-ID: <"D_ZcF1.0.4V3.64vEq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1200 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi, I have updated my site with a few other MPEG movies I had already online but I had to put down due to space problems with my old ISP provider... Check it out again at: www.overunity.de Best regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 8 10:55:01 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id KAA29781; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 10:54:26 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 10:54:26 -0700 (PDT) From: JNaudin509@aol.com Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 13:53:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971008135227_1299684049@emout09.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re : Re: Re : Moebius coils Resent-Message-ID: <"ukgQ03.0.EH7.GZyEq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1201 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On 08/10/1997 10:22:41 , Robin van Spaandonk wrote : << Is that what causes it to "float" in the image, or is it just the stiffness of the power supply wires? >> Hi Robin, No, unfortunately, it is sustained by the stiffness of the power supply wires.... Does someone have informations about Klein coils ? Jean-louis Naudin From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 8 11:43:53 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id LAA06959; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 11:43:25 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 11:43:25 -0700 Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 12:49:23 -0600 (MDT) From: Steve Ekwall X-Sender: ekwall2@november To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: [off topic] netscape Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"1b0KP.0.Zi1.CHzEq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1202 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I don't use netscape, but I know some of you out there do. My nieghbor has asked me how to attach a gif or jpg to his e-mail. Assuming he has the gif on his system and he is 'answering' replying to or making e-mail.. can someone run me through the clicks needed to attach it? Thanks in advance. steve From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 8 13:31:34 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id NAA22612; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 13:29:53 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 13:29:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <343C1706.3EAC@motown.lmco.com> Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 16:28:06 -0700 From: francis x roarty Reply-To: froarty@motown.lmco.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: harnessing wave action References: <971008135227_1299684049@emout09.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"3-dS12.0.CX5.-q-Eq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1203 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi All, I have been reading about some new ship designs that ride above the water supported by sumerged teardrops or pontoons that virtually ignore the rough seas on the surface and provide stable platforms for tourists or military applications. The thought that occoured to me is that as the water level varies on the interconnecting columns between the submersibles and the common platform many torques would be continually applied and varied with the wave action. If the column lengths were variable hyraulic resivoirs and interconnected they could alleviate the stress and drive hydraulic pumps at the same time. Could a sailess boat be designed that is "wave" powered? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 8 13:35:39 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id NAA00892; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 13:35:12 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 13:35:12 -0700 Message-ID: <343C0A75.12EA@sunherald.infi.net> Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 15:34:30 -0700 From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" Reply-To: stk@sunherald.infi.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Cassini Probe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"YpjXh3.0.fD.yv-Eq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1204 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Greetings: I see no reason why the cassini mission should be cancelled. The plutonium is a danger, yes, but look at the other missions that used it, without a single failure: Pioneer 10 Pioneer 11 Viking 1 Viking 2 Voyager 1 Voyager 2 Galileo And possible more, I don't know. Solar cells cant be used; its too far from the sun at saturn. What else could be used? Polonium, which is more toxic than plutonium, ZPE generators (that no one knows how to build)? We must take risks if we are to learn anything. That is the spirit of science. Kyle Mcallister From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 8 13:37:21 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id NAA24164; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 13:36:33 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 13:36:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <343C0AB5.5F81@sunherald.infi.net> Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 15:35:34 -0700 From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" Reply-To: stk@sunherald.infi.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: In addition Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"2XmT02.0.Sv5.Dx-Eq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1205 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: In addition to my last post: Do you really think that after spending billions of $ on the Cassini probe they'll cancel? I doubt it. Kyle From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 8 14:15:25 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id OAA14664; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 14:14:46 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 14:14:46 -0700 From: ppm@getnet.com Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 14:13:16 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199710082113.OAA23142@getnet.com> X-Sender: ppm@getnet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [off topic] netscape Resent-Message-ID: <"nu40Y3.0.0b3.3V_Eq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1206 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Once you have the Netscape MAIL Window open, under the SUBJECT Line is the ATTACHMENT Key, click this key and a new window opens, titeled ATTACHMENTS. At the bottom of this window you find the key labeled "Attach File...". When you click this key, a new window opens titeled "Enter file to attach". Now you can browse for your .gif or any other file, highlight it and click "open", click OK in the Attachment window and you are done!! Hans > >I don't use netscape, but I know some of you out there do. My nieghbor >has asked me how to attach a gif or jpg to his e-mail. Assuming he has the >gif on his system and he is 'answering' replying to or making e-mail.. can >someone run me through the clicks needed to attach it? Thanks in advance. > >steve > > > > YPERWATCH A PPM Company http://www.ppm.net/yperwatch/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 8 14:15:40 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id OAA14831; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 14:15:20 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 14:15:20 -0700 Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 14:15:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710082115.OAA22062@pop1.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: szdanq@peseta.ucdavis.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dan Quickert Subject: Re: Cassini Probe [OFF TOPIC] Resent-Message-ID: <"lJNEq2.0.ed3.bV_Eq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1207 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >We must take risks if we are to learn anything. >That is the spirit of science. > >Kyle Mcallister Kyle, Risks are okay, depending on what is at risk. Risk assessment uses probabilities. Probabilities don't forecast *when* an event will take place, they only forecast what will happen on average, over many trials. A one-in-a-million event could happen on the first try. Ask a first-time lottery winner. The problem with Cassini is not how *unlikely* the event, it's how big the consequences if it *does* go wrong. The chances of a catastrophic failure when the probe returns for its near-Earth flyby are remote. But if it *did* happen, the consequences are unacceptable and unremediable. NASA's own environmental impact report states the possibility (however remote) of *billions* of people affected. No matter how long the odds, that's not something with which anyone has the authority to gamble. Would you buy a lottery ticket if, in the highly unlikely event that your numbers came up, millions or even billions of people would get lung cancer? Check out the odds of winning a lottery. Compare those to NASA's own projections on risk. Saturn will still be there in the future, when a more risk-free vehicle is developed. There is no *need* to go through with this launch that balances the risk. What need could balance the possibility of harming all humanity? Dan Quickert From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 8 14:45:55 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id OAA24016; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 14:45:32 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 14:45:32 -0700 Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 17:45:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Jason Aldo To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: THE SPINDIZZY In-Reply-To: <971003094758.ZM29556@me525.ecg.csg.mot.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"vrTLT2.0.-s5.vx_Eq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1208 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: John and Fred and all, On Fri, 3 Oct 1997, John E. Steck wrote: > > The point I was trying to make is the system can not be strictly and > exclusively described by mechanics as there are fluid dynamic and thermodynamic > elements in the system too. In the example of mislogic I gave, centrifugal > force only starts a fluid dynamic effect that I am guessing to be the critical > element of the author's device. I believe this to be correct. > Centrifugal force isn't enough to perpetuate > the motion because torque or horse power is required to induce the centrifugal > force. This "force" is a reactive effect that CONVERTS energy, not a proactive > effect that MAKES energy. Yes, horsepower is required to induce the centrifugal force, however, once the wheel is gotten up to speed, it acts like a flywheel requiring no more horsepower to spin it other than to overcome bearing friction and windage. this is different than Fred's example of the wheel with weights that move outward because even though the water itself moves outward due to centrifugal force, the weight of water in the wheel does not start near the axis and move outward. The weight of the water always remains in the same position. Opinions would be appreciated. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 8 15:32:31 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id PAA05380; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 15:32:06 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 15:32:06 -0700 Comments: ( Received on motgate.mot.com from client mothost.mot.com, sender johnste@me525.ecg.csg.mot.com ) From: "John E. Steck" Message-Id: <971008172828.ZM19977@me525.ecg.csg.mot.com> Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 17:28:28 -0500 In-Reply-To: Peter Jason Aldo "Re: THE SPINDIZZY" (Oct 8, 4:57pm) References: X-Mailer: Z-Mail (4.0.1 13Jan97) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: THE SPINDIZZY Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"AFi6H1.0.zJ1.ad0Fq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1209 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Oct 8, 4:57pm, Peter Jason Aldo wrote: > Opinions would be appreciated. Science by popular vote? How about experimental results instead! 8^) Sorry, but I did not find your author's postulate to be true. Not theoretically, actually. I could have missed something, but I don't think so. I remember trying several possible configurations and variables. I would be very interested in reviewing someone else's actual findings running such a device successfully. Until then, we are just wasting bandwidth continuing this thread. Build it and they will come......... 8^) -- John E. Steck Prototype Tooling Motorola Inc. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 8 15:34:10 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id PAA05889; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 15:33:14 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 15:33:14 -0700 Message-ID: <343C09CC.2552909@microtronics.com.au> Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 08:01:41 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List Server Freenrg CC: List Server NeoTech , List Server Newman , List Server Vortex Subject: Life is too short Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"sY0OF3.0.lR1.de0Fq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1210 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: This is a sad time, I just read of the passing of Chris Tinsley. I had the pleasure of talking with Chris, over the phone, once. His interest and encouragement in my SMOT work was of a great assistance when I was down. I was planning a trip to the UK early next year and presenting Chris with SMOT number 1. If I can locate Sue, its hers. Still can't believe I will not be able to do it in person. Dear Chris, thanks for believing in me ............ Rest in Peace. ============================= Life is too short. Money is not worth the paper its printed on!!!!!!! I plan to fully disclose ALL my work (PMOD, RMOG, RMOD, SMOT) over the next few weeks. Sorry Chris, I didn't do it sooner. Can someone send me a copy of the IE article on the SMOT? I believe Chris wrote it. Thanks. ============================= Best Regards, Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 8 15:54:55 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id PAA12639; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 15:54:18 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 15:54:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <343C0EC2.DCD7CE0C@microtronics.com.au> Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 08:22:50 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List Server Freenrg CC: List Server NeoTech , List Server Newman , List Server Vortex Subject: DNMEC Project Status Report Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"EGLFv1.0.N53.Ly0Fq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1211 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi All, Here is the current status of my various DNMEC OU projects. More details will be posted to my web site. Will advise as I put the data up. DIY plans will be posted. 1) PMOD ...... Runs in self powering mode. DC power out 78mw. Working on a 12V 10A unit at present. The TEP guys are getting warm. 2) RMOG ...... Runs in self powering mode. 165 RPM no load. Have driven a small generator at 100mw. Working on a 3000 RPM unit with 100w of 50Hz output. Muller is warm and cold. 3) RMOD ...... Runs in self powering mode. Very little power out. Complex to build toy. Project finished. 4) SMOT ...... Runs in self powering mode. Very little power out. Building 50 units at present. My current efforts are on the PMOD and RMOG units. I plan to have small PMOD and RMOG demo units for sale early in 1998. Planning a speaking / demo / selling trip to the US and Europe mid 1998. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 8 15:59:47 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id PAA16193; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 15:59:06 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 15:59:06 -0700 From: rvanspaa@eisa.net.au (Robin van Spaandonk) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Ang.: Stefan Marinov, by Robert Bass Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 22:55:55 GMT Organization: Improving Message-ID: <343c07c6.3561189@mail.eisa.net.au> References: <3.0.3.32.19971008095336.00a1b100@bahnhof.se> In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19971008095336.00a1b100@bahnhof.se> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"wV1Fe2.0.my3.u01Fq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1212 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Wed, 8 Oct 1997 08:53:36 +0100, David Jonsson wrote: [snip] >I am especially interested in a more detailed description of currents. To >measure currents by I is not applicable in non-neutral conductors. Q and v >has to be treated separately. > >Q >Q -> Q ---> >Q > >3Q*v=I Q*3v=I > >Case 1 Case 2 > >Both case 1 and case 2 produce the same current and the same magnetic field >around themselves as seen from a stationary observer. However the two >fields do not transform in the same way for a moving observer. Assume an >observer moving with speed v to the right. He would detect no current or >magnetic field from case 2, case 1 would be reduced by 1/3. [snip] I think case 1 would actually be -2/3Q for the moving observer. However this whole example is very interesting. I.e. the actual drift current in a wire is supposedly quite slow. Wouldn't that mean that if you measure the magnetic field of the wire while walking along next to it, that you may get a different field measurement? My intuition says that this is wrong (e.g. electric motors don't particularly appear to suffer from the fact that they rotate). Any comments? Regards, Robin van Spaandonk -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Check out: http://www.eisa.net.au/~rvanspaa for how CF depends on temperature. "....,then he should stop, and he will catch up..." PS - no SPAM thanks! -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 8 16:11:00 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id QAA15177; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 16:10:23 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 16:10:23 -0700 (PDT) From: rvanspaa@eisa.net.au (Robin van Spaandonk) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: THE SPINDIZZY Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 22:55:58 GMT Organization: Improving Message-ID: <343d0b1d.4415711@mail.eisa.net.au> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"9pNc91.0.0j3.SB1Fq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1213 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Wed, 8 Oct 1997 17:45:16 -0400 (EDT), Peter Jason Aldo wrote: [snip] >Yes, horsepower is required to induce the centrifugal force, however, once >the wheel is gotten up to speed, it acts like a flywheel requiring no more >horsepower to spin it other than to overcome bearing friction and windage. >this is different than Fred's example of the wheel with weights that move >outward because even though the water itself moves outward due to >centrifugal force, the weight of water >in the wheel does not start near the axis and move outward. The weight of >the water always remains in the same position. Opinions would be >appreciated. > No, this is wrong. While the centre of gravity of the water may sit constantly in one place, this is irrelevant. There is in fact a constant flow of water from the centre to the edge. Water in the centre has no tangential velocity. Water at the edge does. Work must be done on the water to accelerate it from nothing to something as it moves outward. This is why centrifugal pumps need to be driven by a motor. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Check out: http://www.eisa.net.au/~rvanspaa for how CF depends on temperature. "....,then he should stop, and he will catch up..." PS - no SPAM thanks! -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 8 17:03:17 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id RAA32521; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 17:02:30 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 17:02:30 -0700 Message-ID: <343C1DD5.9F8C9C47@ctv.es> Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 01:57:10 +0200 From: Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga Reply-To: vramos@ctv.es X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: DNMEC Project Status Report X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <343C0EC2.DCD7CE0C@microtronics.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"9LMrB1.0.xx7.Ky1Fq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1214 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Greg Watson wrote: > Hi All, > > Here is the current status of my various DNMEC OU projects. More > details will be posted to my web site. Will advise as I put the data > up. DIY plans will be posted.... Hi, GregCongratulations for your results... you claims all your devices runs by itselvhes. But I don't understand why you don't share your information like Jean. But I'm afraid thinking these devices only runs for you, like Bedini devices... this will be a sad dream. Vicente. > -- Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga E-mail: vramos@ctv.es Home Page: http://www.ctv.es/USERS/vramos/home.htm Burriana (Castellon) SPAIN From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 8 17:10:15 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id RAA01369; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 17:09:53 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 17:09:53 -0700 X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <343C1706.3EAC@motown.lmco.com> References: <971008135227_1299684049@emout09.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 14:06:25 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: harnessing wave action Resent-Message-ID: <"Jrpnk.0.HL.G32Fq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1215 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Francis - > Could a sailess boat > be designed that is "wave" powered? I believe this was done in the last century, or early on in this one. The easiest design is simply a big flexible "swim fin" bolted to the stern in horizontal orientation below the water. As your stern rises and falls, the fin kicks. Other designs revolve around the idea of something like hinged hull sections, like a pontoon bridge. Power is tapped between the moving sections and converted to power. But I think everyone has concluded that for the hassle, there are better ways to make 2 knots worth of headway. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 8 18:09:31 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id SAA28542; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 18:08:58 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 18:08:58 -0700 (PDT) From: tv@juno.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 18:06:04 -0700 Subject: Re: DNMEC Project Status Report Message-ID: <19971008.180605.9790.0.tv@juno.com> References: <343C0EC2.DCD7CE0C@microtronics.com.au> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-14 Resent-Message-ID: <"6hZo01.0.nz6.Zw2Fq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1217 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi Greg, Great news about the PMOD, RMOG, and SMOT working ! Worth another look at the TEP eh ? Combine what Greg said with the TEP hmmmm........ Are you another Tesla or Edison ? Please don't let your inventions get "lost" like T.H. Moray did with the radiant energy device. Tim Vaughan ( tv@juno.com ) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 8 18:09:32 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id SAA28530; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 18:08:55 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 18:08:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710090107.SAA24536@mailtod-121.bryant.webtv.net> From: leelouden@webtv.net (Lee Louden) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 18:07:50 -0700 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: harnessing wave action Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"BjO1g.0.az6.Yw2Fq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1216 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Those of us who enjoy sailing would not appreciate a boat without a sail, that's half the fun of sailing. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 8 18:35:12 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id SAA24543; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 18:34:39 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 18:34:39 -0700 Message-ID: <343C344C.61FFF039@microtronics.com.au> Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 11:03:00 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List Server Freenrg CC: List Server NeoTech , List Server Newman , List Server Vortex Subject: DNMEC Secrets Reveiled Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Lk6cd1.0.2_5.iI3Fq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1218 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi All, Here are the basic DNMEC OU secrets I have discovered. 1) PMOD. If we have a coil and ferrite core, it is possible to time separate the current applied to the coil by an external Emf source and the resultant back Emf generated as the ferrites domains align. I have found that there is a time delay of approx 20-30ns from the application of the coils H field and the domains starting to rotate into alignment and producing a back Emf. If the coil is driven for only 20-30ns, only a small amount of self induced back Emf is generated (the coil acts like the ferrite is not there). After the 20-30ns wide drive pulse, the coils H field is gone but the domains are still moving (they have inertia) and will generate quite a large back Emf which can be tapped. 2) RMOG. If we have a magnetic circuit with a air gap and a magnet and coil directly on the two sides of the gap and a moving ferrite in the air gap. As the ferrite approaches the gap, the magnetic circuits total reluctance drops and flux increases. The system reluctance is largely determined by the position of the ferrite in the air gap. As the approaching ferrite is causing a decrease in system reluctance, the coil will produce a Emf in response to the increasing flux density flowing through it. If the coil is shorted, it will produce a current flow and resulting flux which will attempt to oppose the increasing system flux. If the coil is positioned at one edge of the air gap and a magnet is positioned at the other, the opposing coil flux increases the flux density in the space occupied by the approaching ferrite. This increased flux density increases the ferromagnetic force of attraction into the gap. When the ferrite reaches the point of max flux density (near the outer edge of the gap) the coil is opened. The resultant forces cause more attractive force into the gap than drag back forces as the ferrite exits. By controlling the timing of the shorted coil, Rpm can be controlled as a rotary load is increased. 3) SMOT, RMOD. Magnetic fields are not symmetrical when dealing with ferrite attractive forces. The ferrite attractive force is related to the square of the flux density. Electromagnetic induction and most EM theory is related to the flux density. This is why a SMOT gate is not symmetrical. The RMOD exit is superior as the ball exits at 90 deg to the array. That's why a ball will climb the ramp in one direction but not in the other. A 5 x 5 SMOT Mk2 array positioned in the centre of a piece of 500mm long board with some N gauge track down the centre will show this effect. Very little tilt of the board will be required to roll a ball through the array from top to bottom (5,4,3,2,1), but over 40mm of tilt will be required to roll a ball through from bottom to top (1,2,3,4,5). Not directly OU, but a very strong proof of non-symmetry in SMOT magnetic arrays. More later. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 8 19:03:20 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id TAA31058; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 19:02:52 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 19:02:52 -0700 Message-ID: <343C3ACE.10A5@darknet.net> Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 22:00:46 -0400 From: Steve Reply-To: darklord@darknet.net Organization: DarkNet Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: ack Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"WyMaX.0.3b7.9j3Fq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1219 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: sorry for the off-topic post, but I'm switcing ISPs tomorrow, and I was wondering the quickest way to unsubscribe from the list and resubscribe with my new address.. can someone tell me what to do? I'm asking this because I never was too good with listserv commands.. heh.. thanks! -Steve King From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 8 22:05:14 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id WAA06225; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 22:04:39 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 22:04:39 -0700 From: Keasy@aol.com Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 01:02:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971009010156_1799914010@emout19.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: THE SPINDIZZY Resent-Message-ID: <"PUmUP2.0.9X1.cN6Fq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1220 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Peter and all, At least one way of looking at this is to trace the path of a single water molecule as it enters near the axis, is accelerated by interaction with other water molecules to the velocity of the outside of the wheel, and is ejected to provide a torque to the wheel. The problem is that during the "is accelerated --- to the velocity of the outside of the wheel" part at least as much angular momentum is removed from the wheel as is gained when it is finally ejected. True the mass and weight *distribution* do not change but the mass is constantly (slowly) changing. At least I think think that makes sense to me. Ken Keasy@aol.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 8 22:24:29 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id WAA12160; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 22:23:17 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 22:23:17 -0700 Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 07:22:45 +0200 Message-Id: <199710090522.HAA12540@beta.vossnet.de> X-Sender: leoguitar@mail.vossnet.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: newman-l@emachine.com (Newman-l) From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Re: DNMEC Project Status Report Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Resent-Message-ID: <"4y6oe.0.uz2.3f6Fq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1221 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 22:52 08.10.1997 GMT, Newman-l wrote: >From: Greg Watson >Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 08:22:50 +0930 >Subject: DNMEC Project Status Report >Organization: Greg Watson Consulting > >Hi All, > >Here is the current status of my various DNMEC OU projects. More >details will be posted to my web site. Will advise as I put the data >up. DIY plans will be posted. > > >1) PMOD ...... Runs in self powering mode. DC power out 78mw. > Working on a 12V 10A unit at present. Wow ! Good to hear the news ! :) Congratulations ! Sorry, that Marinov, DePalma and Tinsley did not get the good news anymore... Maybe Marinov would still live, if you have posted this earlier .. ??? > The TEP guys are getting warm. I hope we are getting very hot soon ! :) :) (by heatings powered by TEP 10.0 !! ) :) > >2) RMOG ...... Runs in self powering mode. 165 RPM no load. > Have driven a small generator at 100mw. > Working on a 3000 RPM unit with 100w of 50Hz output. > Muller is warm and cold. Hmm, wow again.. :) Any pictures ? Is your patent application done now ? > >3) RMOD ...... Runs in self powering mode. Very little power out. > Complex to build toy. Project finished. > >4) SMOT ...... Runs in self powering mode. Very little power out. > Building 50 units at present. > Yes, yes, yes, I want to convince my step father, who is still very skeptical ! :) He lived in Tasmania, AUSTRALIA for several years and has build power stations for SIEMENS.... > >My current efforts are on the PMOD and RMOG units. I plan to have >small PMOD and RMOG demo units for sale early in 1998. Planning a >speaking / demo / selling trip to the US and Europe mid 1998. > I will organize for you a demo in Germany if you want to and if it will all work out... >-- >Best Regards, > Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson > Hope to hear and see more of it ! Thanks a lot for all the new great info ! Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 9 02:15:57 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id CAA16508; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 02:15:37 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 02:15:37 -0700 Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 02:14:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710090914.CAA03635@denmark.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: mrandall@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Michael Randall Subject: Re: DNMEC Project Status Report Cc: Vortex Resent-Message-ID: <"uSRrd.0.i14.s2AFq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1222 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi Greg, >1) PMOD ...... Runs in self powering mode. DC power out 78mw. > Working on a 12V 10A unit at present. > The TEP guys are getting warm. The TEP Team have been getting close to a self powered unit but not yet achieved it. Does the PMOD run without any input source once started? 12V at 10A unit sounds fantastic! We would be interested in how you did it to try to replicate your discovery. When you have the time could you send the circuit to Jean-Louis Naudin? The more researchers working on these wonderful clean energy designs the more it will spread throughout the world to help in Man's energy needs to survive on Earth. Sincerely, Michael Randall From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 9 02:47:39 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id CAA21350; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 02:47:21 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 02:47:21 -0700 Message-ID: <343CA74B.3B1C@itmi-aptor.capgemini.fr> Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 11:43:39 +0200 From: Philippe Lebourg Reply-To: Philippe.Lebourg@itmi-aptor.capgemini.fr Organization: ITMI APTOR X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: DNMEC Project Status Report References: <343C0EC2.DCD7CE0C@microtronics.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"sAxQX2.0.VD5.eWAFq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1223 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hello! I have followed your various trials and projects for a quite long time now (nearly as soon as I joined the freenrg list). I can see that you are approaching a VERY intersting phase, ie industrialization of products. I would like to know how I could help. Being in Europe, I have much interest in your forecasted trip to old continent. Please mail me in time where and when you will come. Admiratively yours, Ph. Lebourg From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 9 03:41:33 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id DAA29357; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 03:41:19 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 03:41:19 -0700 Message-Id: <199710091041.MAA19364@smtp.apdo.com> From: "Christen Blom-Dahl" To: Subject: RE: DNMEC Project Status Report Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 12:38:30 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"VoBAp1.0.WA7.DJBFq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1224 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Stefan Hartmann wrote: > I hope we are getting very hot soon ! :) :) > (by heatings powered by TEP 10.0 !! ) :) > I haven´t heard anything from the TEP since version 7, except for the article on the overunity theoretical proofs published in http://www.overunity.de. I would like to know about the changes introduced since version 7. Regards, Christen. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 9 04:02:24 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id EAA00270; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 04:02:12 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 04:02:12 -0700 Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 13:05:12 +0200 Message-Id: <199710091105.NAA14688@beta.vossnet.de> X-Sender: leoguitar@mail.vossnet.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: RE: DNMEC Project Status Report Resent-Message-ID: <"UscT3.0.74.pcBFq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1225 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 12:38 09.10.1997 +0100, freenrg-l@eskimo.com wrote: >Stefan Hartmann wrote: > >> I hope we are getting very hot soon ! :) :) >> (by heatings powered by TEP 10.0 !! ) :) >>=20 > > >I haven=B4t heard anything from the TEP since version 7, except for the >article on the overunity theoretical proofs published in >http://www.overunity.de. I would like to know about the changes introduced >since version 7. > >Regards, Christen. > We are just now at version 7.1 , look into the archive at: www.overunity.de/tep/index.cgi TEP 10.0 is still a future project and we are approching it rapidly ! :) Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 9 06:21:51 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id GAA26452; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 06:20:42 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 06:20:42 -0700 Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 15:22:38 +0200 Message-Id: <199710091322.PAA15719@beta.vossnet.de> X-Sender: leoguitar@mail.vossnet.de (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: JEAN-LOUIS NAUDIN , Fred Epps , Dieter Bauer , Dave Dameron , Stuart Rae , Vicente Ramos , Michael Randall From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Tom Bearden and the VTA.... Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Resent-Message-ID: <"Jpub71.0.9T6.ceDFq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1226 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi, I have found a new site about the VTA. http://www.space-research.com/~ajdubla/vta/ Jean Louis, as you have had email contact with Tom Bearden recently, please ask him again in an email, why he does not talk about the VTA ??? He has done the narration of the video tape in 1987 which I have on my site www.overunity.de as the RealAudio speech. I was told he was also a good friend to Mr. Sweet, so why does he not say more about it or can tell the secret about it ?? I guess Tom Breaden knows more than he is willing to present or he never really met Sweet and it is just a rumour that he saw the VTA in operation and the guy speaking is not Tom Bearden in the RealAudio file.. Does anybody know, who knows Tom Bearden very close ? Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 9 08:55:31 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id IAA26683; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 08:53:56 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 08:53:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 17:52:30 +0200 Message-Id: <199710091552.RAA16769@beta.vossnet.de> X-Sender: leoguitar@mail.vossnet.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, newman-l@emachine.com From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: RealAudio Grabber Tool ? Playing Bruce de Palma RA file ! Resent-Message-ID: <"4HQv23.0.pW6.FuFFq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1227 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi, this is not related to free energy, but does anybody know of a tool or utility program with which you can download a RealAudio file, which normally only streams via PNM:// Protokoll ? The streams in my www.overunity.de/movies/index.cgi directory could be downloaded and played OFFLINE, but not the PNM:// streams, which only stream ONLINE ! Also the registered RealVideoPlayer 4.01 can NOT do it, when the author has set the copyright protection bit... Is there still any hacker tool out there which can do it anyway ??? I am interested to download the Bruce de Palma RealAudio file at pnm://206.190.33.113/endofline/9708/end0828.ra It is 3 hours long and I don=B4t want to listen to it ONLINE, which costs me lots of online charges.... Downloading would run faster ! regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 9 09:21:17 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id JAA05047; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 09:20:41 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 09:20:41 -0700 Message-Id: <199710091620.SAA41140@sdn5.csc.dk> From: i3683@csc.dk (I3683) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 19:11:00 CET DST Subject: 3Q*v=I against Q*3v=I MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <"E8rXx1.0.eE1.NHGFq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1228 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >I am especially interested in a more detailed description of currents. = To=20 >measure currents by I is not applicable in non-neutral conductors. Q an= d v=20 >has to be treated separately. > >Q >Q -> Q ---> >Q > >3Q*v=3DI Q*3v=3DI > >Case 1 Case 2 > >Both case 1 and case 2 produce the same current and the same magnetic f= ield=20 >around themselves as seen from a stationary observer. However the two >= fields=20 do not transform in the same way for a moving observer. Assume an >obse= rver=20 moving with speed v to the right. He would detect no current or >magneti= c field=20 from case 2, case 1 would be reduced by 1/3. You have to take into account the balancing charge in the wire. For a st= ationary observer the balancing charge doesnt move and doesnt produce a magnetic = field. For an observer moving with speed v to the right, in case 1 a balancing = charge=20 -3Q is now moving to the left with speed v, producing the same current a= nd=20 magnetic field as seen by the stationary observer. In case 2 a balancing= charge=20 -Q is moving to the left with speed v, producing the 1/3 of the stationa= ry=20 current and magnetic field, which you were missing. Anders =20 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 9 12:46:54 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id MAA26268; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 12:46:20 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 12:46:20 -0700 Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 21:36:56 +0200 Message-Id: <199710091936.VAA19717@beta.vossnet.de> X-Sender: leoguitar@mail.vossnet.de (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=====================_876458218==_" To: JEAN-LOUIS NAUDIN , Fred Epps , Dieter Bauer , Dave Dameron , Stuart Rae , Vicente Ramos , Michael Randall , gwatson@microtronics.com.au From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Is this Greg Watson´s PMOD ? Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, newman-l@emachine.com X-Attachments: D:\POOVER\PMODSH.GIF; Resent-Message-ID: <"iGrGK1.0.LQ6.AIJFq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1229 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: --=====================_876458218==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I have thought today about GREG Watson=B4s PMOD circuit in depth and I came to the conclusion that only something like this it could be. here is the attached GIF picture.... Please let me know your comments. Maybe there are a few other more coils still wound on the same ferrite core acting as output coils... I guess , if you energize this circuit just for a few nanoseconds the H-field will build up in both coils and will send a B field through the core, where it will induce a BACK-EMF at each of the=20 other side, but at this time the source battery is already disconnected. Due to the high permeability amplification factor of MuyR (ur) B=3Du0.ur.H the BACK emf is huge and will result in not discharging the battery ! It all depends on the timing and the right material and how big you build it to get OU performance ! I guess it is all pretty simple, if you finally have all the right materials and the right switching timing... 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Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com --=====================_876458218==_-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 9 14:40:21 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id OAA01626; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 14:39:54 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 14:39:54 -0700 Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 23:40:08 +0200 Message-Id: <199710092140.XAA21038@beta.vossnet.de> X-Sender: leoguitar@mail.vossnet.de (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=====================_876465601==_" To: JEAN-LOUIS NAUDIN , JNaudin509@aol.com, Fred Epps , Dieter Bauer , Dave Dameron , Stuart Rae , Vicente Ramos , Michael Randall , gwatson@microtronics.com.au From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: NEW TEP 6.26 parametric excitation circuit ! Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, newman-l@emachine.com X-Attachments: D:\POOVER\TEP626.GIF; Resent-Message-ID: <"sn2Va1.0.IP.eyKFq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1230 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: --=====================_876465601==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi, I have thought today about Fred Epps idea of parametric excitation of an LC circuit and came up with the following circuit, which is just a modification of the TEP 6.25. It just uses an LC resonance circuit, where one part of the coil is shorted, so that you get a dL/dt component which induces parametric excitated oscillation. I guess, that he excitation frequeny must be the same or F/2 of the resonate LC circuit, to get it to oscillate and so you can extract usefull power at the output coil ! Important: You probably have to start the oscillation by charging up the cap C and then connect it to the circuit, while the reed relay switch is already working ! Please let me know your comments... Thanks ! Best regards, Stefan. --=====================_876465601==_ Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="TEP626.GIF"; x-mac-type="42494E41"; x-mac-creator="6D646F73" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="TEP626.GIF" R0lGODlhxAKvAYAAAAAAAP///ywAAAAAxAKvAQAC/oyPqcvtD6OctNqLs968+w+G4kiW5omm6sq2 7gvH8kzX9o3n+s73/g8MCofEovGITCqXzKbzCY1Kp9Sq9YrNarfcrvcLDovH5LL5jE6r1+y2+w2P y+f0uv2Oz+v3/L7/DxgoOEhYaHiImKi4yNjo+AgZKTlJWWl5iZmpucnZ6fkJGio6SlpqeoqaqrrK 2ur6ChsrO0tba3uLm6u7y9vr+wscLDxMXGx8jJysvMzc7HwEEC09TV1tfY2drb3N3e39DR4uPk5e bs4deK6+/v0M8Iz1/ifPRc9sDz+Fv7cf755vpV8egQH/AaRC8E5ChAYPSllYB+LDhg6hSJxz0SLF /opOMsbx2HEjRyYg35QkKXKkkpNtWK5MqRKJyzUzZcKMaaRmGp05b+IkwvNMUKA+fwoZWgbp0aJG gSgd89Qp06Y+ooaxWnUqVR5Yv3Td2uIrWBJi63kpqwrtWBBqs7S18dZU3LUb5laxKwOvKL10LfCN 8tdFyWsfoi2QhgDxAcX45DU2zIBxgseOJy++3CNwXwmaQ3YBaU+pQHqVDZQO8K6x6cSYLa9W3Tq1 a9mruW5eOu/KPsURQrN2DBk16tCQeUdWcDp57cPCX2Mm3UC58+U6Ot92YB3lXeOLIcI2Lb348tPR 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Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com --=====================_876465601==_-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 9 15:55:54 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id PAA27074; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 15:55:20 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 15:55:20 -0700 Message-Id: <343D6E8D.6C51@tu-bs.de> Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 00:53:49 +0100 From: Tameer Hohnsbein Reply-To: T.Hohnsbein@tu-bs.de Organization: Technische Universität Braunschweig X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold [de] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: NEW TEP 6.26 parametric excitation circuit ! References: <199710092140.XAA21038@beta.vossnet.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"I99HI1.0.vc6.M3MFq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1231 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi Stefan, > while the reed relay switch is already working ! The first thing that comes to my mind: I don't know how long the reed relay will survive being switched with 50 or 60 hz. I would prefer an optocoupler I think ... hmm which one to take ... And I would connect the LC-tank to the supply via a highohmic resitor (470K?) to let the cap C be charged up a bit at the beginning. Don't know if it can work anyhow, give it a try :-) Greetings Tameer -- Tameer Hohnsbein, Hagenring 80, 38106 Braunschweig, Germany E-Mail: T.Hohnsbein@tu-bs.de phone : ++49 531 / 335348 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 9 16:13:38 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id QAA32612; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 16:12:24 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 16:12:24 -0700 From: bpaddock@csonline.net (Bob Paddock) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: The TRMS meter Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 19:06:35 -0400 Organization: is mostly via piles Reply-To: bpaddock@csonline.net Message-ID: <7NWP0UQy8YWI092yn@csonline.net> References: <3.0.1.32.19971003111026.006e1840@palacenet.net> In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19971003111026.006e1840@palacenet.net> Lines: 24 Resent-Message-ID: <"iRBBr3.0.Nz7.LJMFq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1232 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >I babbled...> As did I. Want to correct some thing I said. I said the LT1018 was a heat based True RMS converter IC. The correct number is LT1088. >The most accurate method that I know of is the use of a bolometer, or >thermopile type true rms meter If you can find an HP3304 (I think that's >the model...now discontinued) grab it. In the application notes for the LT1088 it compares it self to the HP3400. >Many newer TRMS meters use the >analog function ICs that you mentioned...to put it bluntly, they bite. Yes. -- For information on any of the following check out my WEB site at: http://www.usachoice.net/bpaddock Chemical Free Air Conditioning/No CFC's, Chronic Pain Relief, Electromedicine, Electronics, Explore!, Free Energy, Full Disclosure, KeelyNet, Matric Limited, Neurophone, Oil City PA, Philadelphia Experiment. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 9 17:04:28 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id RAA14738; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 17:03:51 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 17:03:51 -0700 Message-Id: <199710100003.RAA14648@mx1.eskimo.com> from: HLafonte Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 19:54:13 EDT To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Cc: newman-l@emachine.com, vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Chaos Theory In Action (Magnetic toy) Thought provoking? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out [IMO_0_8] Resent-Message-ID: <"Xp_W7.0.ub3.Y3NFq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1233 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi all, I just got a toy catalog in the mail (junk mail). It had a toy in it that I thought was very interesting and I thought I would pass it along. Start> Invented by an Israeli physicist intrigued with the idea of applying chaos theory to magnetism, this is a magnetic version of the old "kinetic ball" toy, updated. The disk magnets swing silently without touching each other, for about 20 minutes. Add in the chaos factor - a unique magnet that disrupts and alters the action-reaction process- and you get a fascinating demonstration of how random forces affect the dynamic transfer of kinetic energy within a system. Magnet filled plastic disks may be reconfigured to create thousands of different effects. It is battery free. Stop< The name is Magnaswing $ 24.95 US Dollars website: http://www.realgoods.com This chaos factor is very thought provoking. Any comments? Thanks, Butch From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 9 17:24:41 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id RAA19219; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 17:24:16 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 17:24:16 -0700 Message-ID: <343D91BD.2BD8@sunherald.infi.net> Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 19:23:57 -0700 From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" Reply-To: stk@sunherald.infi.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: New coil design Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"XZU502.0.7i4.kMNFq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1234 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Greetings: I have come up with a new coil idea, and will present the infomation on how to build it as well as a GIF diagram to the list shortly. I am in the process of gathering/buying parts and wire to build it myself. Basically it consists of a length of PVC pipe cut in half lengthwise, a square hoop coil with half set inside the pipe, the other exposed to air, and the tube halves attatched back together. The pipe assembly is then wrapped with magnet wire. I may or may not include a dielectric filling for the tube. Any thoughts would be appreciated. If you'd like to build one, thats fine with me. My next post on this will contain all the details on its construction. It may be a few days. Kyle Mcallister From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 9 18:11:08 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id MAA26268; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 12:46:20 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 12:46:20 -0700 Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 21:36:56 +0200 Message-Id: <199710091936.VAA19717@beta.vossnet.de> X-Sender: leoguitar@mail.vossnet.de (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=====================_876458218==_" To: JEAN-LOUIS NAUDIN , Fred Epps , Dieter Bauer , Dave Dameron , Stuart Rae , Vicente Ramos , Michael Randall , gwatson@microtronics.com.au From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Is this Greg Watson´s PMOD ? Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, newman-l@emachine.com X-Attachments: D:\POOVER\PMODSH.GIF; Resent-Message-ID: <"iGrGK1.0.LQ6.AIJFq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1229 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: --=====================_876458218==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I have thought today about GREG Watson=B4s PMOD circuit in depth and I came to the conclusion that only something like this it could be. here is the attached GIF picture.... Please let me know your comments. Maybe there are a few other more coils still wound on the same ferrite core acting as output coils... I guess , if you energize this circuit just for a few nanoseconds the H-field will build up in both coils and will send a B field through the core, where it will induce a BACK-EMF at each of the=20 other side, but at this time the source battery is already disconnected. Due to the high permeability amplification factor of MuyR (ur) B=3Du0.ur.H the BACK emf is huge and will result in not discharging the battery ! It all depends on the timing and the right material and how big you build it to get OU performance ! I guess it is all pretty simple, if you finally have all the right materials and the right switching timing... 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Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com --=====================_876458218==_-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 9 18:26:27 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id SAA00669; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 18:25:52 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 18:25:52 -0700 Message-Id: <199710100123.SAA14447@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: "Marcelo Puhl" , "Free Energy" Subject: Re: NEW TEP 6.26 parametric excitation circuit ! Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 18:32:00 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01BCD4E1.A1D5BA40" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"cBl7p3.0.MA.VGOFq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1235 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01BCD4E1.A1D5BA40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Tameer and all! > The first thing that comes to my mind: I don't know how long the reed > relay will > survive being switched with 50 or 60 hz. It needs to be switched at least several 1000 Hz to build up parametric oscillations! Obviously, the reed switch isn't going to work. > I would prefer an optocoupler I think ... hmm which one to take ... Or any commercial analog switch running off a CMOS, but I agree an optocoupler is best for complete isolation. It must switch AC. > And I would connect the LC-tank to the supply via a highohmic resitor > (470K?) > to let the cap C be charged up a bit at the beginning. No, I would suggest the exact opposite-- eliminate all electrical conection between the tank and the rest of the circuit. According to standard electrical theory changing a resistance cannot add energy to a circuit, nor does it require energy (theoretically). But at least one experimental study done in the thirties indicates that this is not necessarily true. (On The Oscillations Of A Circuit Having A Periodically Varying Capacitance, by W.L Barrow, Proc. Inst. Rad. Eng., V.22, N.2, Feb.1934) In this study Barrow observed parametric oscillations in a circuit where a capacitor was mechanically switched in and out of the circuit. To be sure, there was a source of energy in the circuit in the form of a regenerative circuit, but this was only to eliminate resistance for research purposes, and actually had the effect of reducing the output beyond a certain point. In addition, in my circuit I have thrown in the added aspect of the bifilar coil. My original circuit is somewhat different from Stefan's. 1) An air coil is used, like the original TEP coils. 2) Only two coils are used and the two coils are noninductive when the switch is closed 3) The tank is isolated from the rest of the circuit 4) The load resistance, small at first, is in the L1,C1 tank 5) The switching frequency is TWICE the frequency of the LC circut, not half I have included a gif which is my modification of Stefans modification of my original circuit. 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Oct 1997 18:27:01 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 18:27:01 -0700 Message-ID: <343D8413.2B120DB1@microtronics.com.au> Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 10:55:39 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com CC: List Server Freenrg Subject: Re: FW: Message from Gene References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"lZdUw1.0.ZF.ZHOFq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1236 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: William Beaty wrote: > > Forwarded message, See below > > .....................uuuu / oo \ uuuu........,............................. > William Beaty voice:206-781-3320 bbs:206-789-0775 cserv:71241,3623 > EE/Programmer/Science exhibit designer http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/ > Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com SCIENCE HOBBYIST web page > > From: Gene Mallove > To: Beaty, William J > Subject: Message from Soo, Gene > Date: Thursday, October 09, 1997 1:53PM > > Message from Gene Mallove from Nottingham, England. > > Dear Greg, > > I deeply appreciate your thoughts about Chris (and thanks also to the rest > of you here on Vortex). I am also delighted with your claimed successes > and willingness to be very open about everything. Please, as a fitting > memorial to Chris Tinsley, would you kindly accelerate delivering to me in > New Hampshire and to Soo in Nottingham the SMOT kits. Upon verifying the > SMOT we will immediately have major coverage in the next issue of Infinite > Energy. (We go to press at the end of October.) As soon as I return to > New Hampshire, I will air mail you the first SMOT issue of IE. > > - Cheers -- Gene Mallove Hi Gene & Soo, I am today (and ALL of the weekend) working on a simple RMOG unit to sent you. Its rotary and self powered. The design will be posted to my site by early next week. Its much more reliable that the best SMOT. To get good SMOT results, you need the exit to be at right angles to the entry. That makes a simple SMOT Rollaround unit hard to build. The RMOD uses right angle exits, but its a bitch to build and a real trick to keep working as it has so many moving parts. Mother nature never looses easily. I except to have several RMOG's built by mid week. They only have ONE moving part (the rotor). Please provide your desired mailing address. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 10 01:33:33 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id BAA19696; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 01:33:18 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 01:33:18 -0700 Message-Id: <343DF604.1EC1@tu-bs.de> Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 10:31:48 +0100 From: Tameer Hohnsbein Reply-To: T.Hohnsbein@tu-bs.de Organization: Technische Universität Braunschweig X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold [de] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: NEW TEP 6.26 parametric excitation circuit ! References: <199710100123.SAA14447@mail1.halcyon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"4svS6.0.ep4.CXUFq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1237 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi Fred, Stefan and all ! > > The first thing that comes to my mind: I don't know how long the reed > > relay will > > survive being switched with 50 or 60 hz. > > It needs to be switched at least several 1000 Hz to build up parametric > oscillations! I thought of 50 or 60 hz because Stefan wanted to use a normal 220V transformer (110 V for US?) which has a very slow core. But if I take an air coil as you suggested below I will need higher frequencies, sure. > Obviously, the reed switch isn't going to work. Right! > > > I would prefer an optocoupler I think ... hmm which one to take ... > > Or any commercial analog switch running off a CMOS, but I agree an > optocoupler is best for complete isolation. It must switch AC. > > > And I would connect the LC-tank to the supply via a highohmic resitor > > (470K?) > > to let the cap C be charged up a bit at the beginning. > > No, I would suggest the exact opposite-- eliminate all electrical conection > between the tank and the rest of the circuit. Oops, hard to swallow for me :-) > According to standard electrical theory changing a resistance cannot add > energy to a circuit, nor does it require energy (theoretically). But at > least one experimental study done in the thirties indicates that this is > not necessarily true. (On The Oscillations Of A Circuit Having A > Periodically Varying Capacitance, by W.L Barrow, Proc. Inst. Rad. Eng., > V.22, N.2, Feb.1934) > In this study Barrow observed parametric oscillations in a circuit where a > capacitor was mechanically switched in and out of the circuit. To be sure, > there was a source of energy in the circuit in the form of a regenerative > circuit, but this was only to eliminate resistance for research purposes, > and actually had the effect of reducing the output beyond a certain point. > > In addition, in my circuit I have thrown in the added aspect of the bifilar > coil. My original circuit is somewhat different from Stefan's. > > 1) An air coil is used, like the original TEP coils. Ahh, here it is again :) > 2) Only two coils are used and the two coils are noninductive when the > switch is closed Which switch do you mean? I guess the switch to connect the battery to the square wave generator and not the switch of the reed relay ? > 3) The tank is isolated from the rest of the circuit > 4) The load resistance, small at first, is in the L1,C1 tank Why would you prefer this way ? What would be different when taking a third coil to extract the energy? > 5) The switching frequency is TWICE the frequency of the LC circut, not > half That makes sense. > I have included a gif which is my modification of Stefans modification of > my original circuit. > Lovely schematic, except that there is a reed relay used ;-) I will search for some possible optocouplers this weekend. Does anybody have suggestions ? Best regards Tameer -- Tameer Hohnsbein, Hagenring 80, 38106 Braunschweig, Germany E-Mail: T.Hohnsbein@tu-bs.de phone : ++49 531 / 335348 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 10 02:43:46 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id CAA29508; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 02:43:28 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 02:43:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <343E0672.4C69@tu-bs.de> Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 11:41:54 +0100 From: Tameer Hohnsbein Reply-To: T.Hohnsbein@tu-bs.de Organization: Technische Universität Braunschweig X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold [de] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Is this Greg Watson´s PMOD ? References: <199710091936.VAA19717@beta.vossnet.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"YrAmc.0.vC7.zYVFq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1238 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Moin Stefan, > I have thought today about GREG Watson´s PMOD circuit > in depth and I came to the conclusion that only something like this > it could be. Erste Frage: sind die beiden Spulen richtig herum angeschlossen? Auf mich wirkt es momentan so, daß sich die Bewegung der Felder in der Mitte der Ferritkerne gerade aufhebt. Dann müßte eine der beiden Spulen andersherum angeschlossen werden. Oder denke ich um eine Ecke zuwenig ? Kann sein. In Deinem Vorschlag wird die Batterie allerdings nicht ewig halten, weil sie immer nur kurze Zeit Energie liefert und nie wieder aufgeladen wird. Der Effekt beruht ja gerade darauf, daß die Batterie abgeklemmt wird, bevor sich daß B-Feld aufgebaut hat. Sicher, es wird mehr Energie in den Lastwiderständen verbraucht, als die Batterie liefert. Ich habe vor einiger Zeit ein bißchen experimentiert und kann bestätigen, daß der Effekt vorhanden ist, wenn bei mir auch nur sehr schwach. Das ist allerdings noch kein Selbsläufer wie Greg es erwähnt. Ich bin auch gerade dabei, mir eine gute Strategie zu überlegen, wie man einen geschlossenen Kreis bauen kann, gar nicht so einfach. Wo bleibt nur die göttliche Eingebung ;-) Viele Grüße Tameer -- Tameer Hohnsbein, Hagenring 80, 38106 Braunschweig, Germany E-Mail: T.Hohnsbein@tu-bs.de phone : ++49 531 / 335348 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 10 03:03:12 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id DAA27496; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 03:02:52 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 03:02:52 -0700 Message-Id: <343E0B03.7AD4@tu-bs.de> Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 12:01:23 +0100 From: Tameer Hohnsbein Reply-To: T.Hohnsbein@tu-bs.de Organization: Technische Universität Braunschweig X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold [de] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "freenrg-l@eskimo.com" Subject: Re: Is this Greg Watson´s PMOD ? References: <199710091936.VAA19717@beta.vossnet.de> <343E0672.4C69@tu-bs.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"aQB5T1.0.Xj6.BrVFq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1239 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Tameer Hohnsbein wrote: > > Moin Stefan, > Wo bleibt nur die göttliche Eingebung ;-) Ooops! Sorry for the german message over the list. Wanted to send it to Stefan but clicked the wrong button. mea culpa Tameer -- Tameer Hohnsbein, Hagenring 80, 38106 Braunschweig, Germany E-Mail: T.Hohnsbein@tu-bs.de phone : ++49 531 / 335348 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 10 03:05:46 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id DAA29285; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 03:05:30 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 03:05:30 -0700 From: bpaddock@csonline.net (Bob Paddock) Newsgroups: list.freenrg1 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Back To Basics Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 19:13:58 -0400 Organization: is mostly via piles Reply-To: bpaddock@csonline.net Message-ID: <2UWP0UQy8ciR092yn@csonline.net> Lines: 70 Resent-Message-ID: <"EmNI63.0.P97.etVFq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1240 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Does any one have, or know of, a comprehensive list/index of the papers that written by the original people up on which we base our theories today? I'd like to read the words of the ORIGINAL AUTHORS (not sure of the spelling of the proper names) like Ohm, Maxwell, Faraday, Osrsted, Ampere, Volta, Kirchhoff, Thevenin, Lenz, Coulomb. Who else should be on the list? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The following introduction is from "Gravitational Reflections in Plain English and Cold Stones" by Pierre Charles of Sacramento, CA. It explains better than I why I'm interested in the ORIGINAL words... Introduction: I hesitate to discuss the new physics with most of the population, not that I do not want people to know, but because of the built-in opposition from the population's academic training and the possible misuse of this recently rediscovered source of understanding and power. Following close behind is the possible impact on the economic and control systems over the masses. We are all slaves to this closed system of things to a degree. For example, we now live in a world of great knowledge and power; unfortunately, it is misdirected, so to live in relative comfort we hold an 8 to 5 job, wear clothes, drive cars, eat food all brought to us by others, and live in a house built by others and usually owned by the bank. Net result: both partners must work away from the home to support it. Meanwhile, the government takes back [more than] 50% to support those who cannot or will not work, and, of course, maintain the existing framework. The children spend most of the day being trained by others to fit into the existing framework, etc., etc. This bring us to the opposition from academic-trained people, most are copies of copies, 10th generation receivers of what is unquestioningly taught as the eternal truth. Most are so far removed from the original information and thoughts that they do not recognize it and they oppose with great tenacity anyone who dares to defy their implanted ideas. This information will also disturb the traditionally religious people; I don't need to expand on the dangers there... The New Physics: To Truly grasp the new physics we must keep two things present in our minds: 1) The New Physics is actually a retrieval of the old or ancient physics, 2) The ancient physics encompassed all things; therefore, you must look at all things, you must remove all academic barriers from your present, considerably large body of knowledge and merge this with the eastern and ancient thoughts. If you find yourself laughing or ridiculing, then you will not find the valuable thread of information that you need... Little remains of the ancient physics but it can be found nevertheless - for it has been preserved, often by those who had little or no true knowledge of the symbols that they considered sacred..." -- For information on any of the following check out my WEB site at: http://www.usachoice.net/bpaddock Chemical Free Air Conditioning/No CFC's, Chronic Pain Relief, Electromedicine, Electronics, Explore!, Free Energy, Full Disclosure, KeelyNet, Matric Limited, Neurophone, Oil City PA, Philadelphia Experiment. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 10 04:01:06 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id EAA06425; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 04:00:49 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 04:00:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710101100.EAA12238@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: "Free Energy" Subject: Re: NEW TEP 6.26 parametric excitation circuit ! Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 04:04:41 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"w_0qc2.0.Ia1.VhWFq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1241 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi Tameer! > > > > The first thing that comes to my mind: I don't know how long the reed > > > relay will > > > survive being switched with 50 or 60 hz. > > > > It needs to be switched at least several 1000 Hz to build up parametric > > oscillations! > > I thought of 50 or 60 hz because Stefan wanted to use a normal 220V > transformer > (110 V for US?) which has a very slow core. > But if I take an air coil as you suggested below I will need higher > frequencies, sure. Maybe try an audio frequency transformer with a ferrite core. > > > Obviously, the reed switch isn't going to work. > Right! > > > > And I would connect the LC-tank to the supply via a highohmic resitor > > > (470K?) > > > to let the cap C be charged up a bit at the beginning. > > > > No, I would suggest the exact opposite-- eliminate all electrical conection > > between the tank and the rest of the circuit. > > Oops, hard to swallow for me :-) Try it, you'll like it :-) > > > > > In addition, in my circuit I have thrown in the added aspect of the bifilar > > coil. My original circuit is somewhat different from Stefan's. > > > > 1) An air coil is used, like the original TEP coils. > > Ahh, here it is again :) I am not sure what kind of coil would work. > > > 2) Only two coils are used and the two coils are noninductive when the > > switch is closed > > Which switch do you mean? I guess the switch to connect the battery to > the > square wave generator and not the switch of the reed relay ? no the switch of the relay. I meant to say that the L1 was inductive unitl the L2 was switched in. > > > 3) The tank is isolated from the rest of the circuit > > 4) The load resistance, small at first, is in the L1,C1 tank > > Why would you prefer this way ? What would be different when taking a > third coil > to extract the energy? simpler to handle for experimental purposes. The loading of a hird coil is reactive, whereas the calculations that will predict the output of a "standard" parametric circuit assume resitive loading. Don't mean to say it won't work, but try to get the resonance in the tank first, while electrically isolated. > > > 5) The switching frequency is TWICE the frequency of the LC circut, not > > half > > That makes sense. > > Lovely schematic, except that there is a reed relay used ;-) Yea, I din't want to fiddle with his picture too much. > > I will search for some possible optocouplers this weekend. > Does anybody have suggestions ? I will look on the web tomorrow morning.. > Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 10 05:16:43 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id FAA15637; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 05:16:28 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 05:16:28 -0700 Message-Id: <343E2A51.2956@tu-bs.de> Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 14:14:57 +0100 From: Tameer Hohnsbein Reply-To: T.Hohnsbein@tu-bs.de Organization: Technische Universität Braunschweig X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold [de] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: NEW TEP 6.26 parametric excitation circuit ! References: <199710101100.EAA12238@mail1.halcyon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"n9XKZ2.0.6q3.QoXFq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1242 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi Fred, > > Maybe try an audio frequency transformer with a ferrite core. They are mostly very small, but for a test it would suffice I think. > > Oops, hard to swallow for me :-) > > Try it, you'll like it :-) I'll buy some sugar first ;-) > > Why would you prefer this way ? What would be different when taking a > > third coil > > to extract the energy? > > simpler to handle for experimental purposes. The loading of a hird coil is > reactive, whereas the calculations that will predict the output of a > "standard" parametric circuit assume resitive loading. Don't mean to say > it won't work, but try to get the resonance in > the tank first, while electrically isolated. I see, that's right. > > I will search for some possible optocouplers this weekend. > > Does anybody have suggestions ? > > I will look on the web tomorrow morning.. I have to hurry to the train now, will be back on monday morning. Seeya Tameer -- Tameer Hohnsbein, Hagenring 80, 38106 Braunschweig, Germany E-Mail: T.Hohnsbein@tu-bs.de phone : ++49 531 / 335348 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 10 05:55:00 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id FAA22163; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 05:54:45 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 05:54:45 -0700 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 14:44:08 +0200 Message-Id: <199710101244.OAA26877@beta.vossnet.de> X-Sender: leoguitar@mail.vossnet.de (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: T.Hohnsbein@tu-bs.de, freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Re: NEW TEP 6.26 parametric excitation circuit ! Cc: JEAN-LOUIS NAUDIN , JNaudin509@aol.com, Fred Epps , Dieter Bauer , Dave Dameron , Stuart Rae , Vicente Ramos , Michael Randall , gwatson@microtronics.com.au Resent-Message-ID: <"ixJ8F3.0.BQ5.KMYFq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1243 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 10:31 10.10.1997 +0100, T.Hohnsbein@tu-bs.de wrote: >Hi Fred, Stefan and all ! > >> > The first thing that comes to my mind: I don't know how long the reed >> > relay will >> > survive being switched with 50 or 60 hz. >> >> It needs to be switched at least several 1000 Hz to build up parametric >> oscillations! > >I thought of 50 or 60 hz because Stefan wanted to use a normal 220V >transformer >(110 V for US?) which has a very slow core. >But if I take an air coil as you suggested below I will need higher >frequencies, sure. > >> Obviously, the reed switch isn't going to work. >Right! > It all depends on what the resonance frequency of the LC tank is ! And how strong the damping of the resonance oscillation is already due to its internal losses of the coil resistance and the losses of the capacitor. Jean Louis, what is the resonance frequency of this circuit ? Has it already itsself much damping ? (if you run it via some pulses powered from the L3 part of the transformer, then the LC tank should resonate at its resonance frequency and from the decay of the oscillation you can see the damping !)) >> 5) The switching frequency is TWICE the frequency of the LC circut, not >> half > >That makes sense. Okay, sorry, that was my mistake ! :) > >> I have included a gif which is my modification of Stefans modification of >> my original circuit. >> > >Lovely schematic, except that there is a reed relay used ;-) Have put it on my www.overunity.de/tep/index.cgi server. Thanks ! > >I will search for some possible optocouplers this weekend. >Does anybody have suggestions ? Okay, let me know what optocouplers you will find. I will try it this evening myself with Dieter and his coils... Regards, Stefan. > -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 10 06:35:49 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id GAA29415; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 06:35:16 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 06:35:16 -0700 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 15:37:09 +0200 Message-Id: <199710101337.PAA27326@beta.vossnet.de> X-Sender: leoguitar@mail.vossnet.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: JEAN-LOUIS NAUDIN , JNaudin509@aol.com, Fred Epps , Dieter Bauer , Dave Dameron , Stuart Rae , Vicente Ramos , Michael Randall , gwatson@microtronics.com.au From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: www.overunity.de updated ! Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, newman-l@emachine.com Resent-Message-ID: <"7wdRV.0.RB7.JyYFq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1244 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi, I have updated again my server. Have a look there: www.overunity.de I hope you like dolphins ! :) Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 10 08:18:06 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id IAA20001; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 08:17:41 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 08:17:41 -0700 Message-ID: <343E56DB.28FD@mediacity.com> Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 08:24:59 -0800 From: "M.Twain" X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bpaddock@csonline.net CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Back To Basics References: <2UWP0UQy8ciR092yn@csonline.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"UY8Yl3.0.Mu4.ISaFq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1245 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Thomas G.Barnes is ESSENTIAL reading. J.H.Piddington of Australia too. Also missing from your list are Heaviside, Tesla, Alfven, Bostick, Hertz, Weber, Franklin, .... There are as many 20th century essential (dissident) authors, or more, than earlier authors. For a list of several hundred see my RAPR links at the bottom of: [http://www.mediacity.com/~muse/mirror.html]. You can't study EM theory, and get anything out of it, unless you give equal study to plasma physics. Nature is a continuum -- and to study the electromagnetic signal relationship of charges without studying the actual structures, natures and behaviors of charges -- is fruitless. When it comes to the old, formalistic, EM theory -- talk to or reference the works of Andre K.T. Assis in Brazil, J.Paul Wesley in Germany, and Jorge Cure or Francisco Mueller or Thomas E. Phipps in the US. MT From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 10 08:43:24 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id IAA24780; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 08:42:19 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 08:42:19 -0700 Message-Id: <199710101635.LAA17012@csrlink.net> From: "Jim Shaffer, Jr." To: Subject: Re: radiactive saturn probe Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 12:32:21 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ipQsG3.0.236.PpaFq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1246 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Yeah, I got about half a dozen copies of that from DeMeo. I'm not really sure what all the fuss is about. Wouldn't the plutonium, being extremely heavy, tend to stay where it landed? "I don't want the world -- I just want your half." --T.M.B.G. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 10 09:10:34 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id JAA24781; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 09:09:56 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 09:09:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 18:12:24 +0200 Message-Id: <199710101612.SAA28739@beta.vossnet.de> X-Sender: leoguitar@mail.vossnet.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: newman-l@emachine.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: New big Newman FAN motor ? Resent-Message-ID: <"xpAJ63.0.436.GDbFq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1247 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi , does somebody know, what kind of a new FAN motor it is , that is seen in the Joe Newman RealVideo movie I have on my site ? http://www.overunity.de/movies/newman.ram If you call this via your browser, the RealVideo player4.0x is automatically started.... Otherwise you can watch it with giving in the location directly in your RealVideo 4.01 player: http://www.overunity.de/movies/newman.rm If you don=B4t have the RealVideo player installed, get it from: www.real.com Is this a new gigantic FAN motor ? It really looks huge ! :) Can you let us know more details or is this still a secret ??? Just curious ! :) Best regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 10 09:45:12 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id JAA09236; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 09:43:17 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 09:43:17 -0700 From: bpaddock@csonline.net (Bob Paddock) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Back To Basics Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 12:31:41 -0400 Organization: is mostly via piles Reply-To: bpaddock@csonline.net Message-ID: References: <2UWP0UQy8ciR092yn@csonline.net> <343E56DB.28FD@mediacity.com> In-Reply-To: <343E56DB.28FD@mediacity.com> Lines: 15 Resent-Message-ID: <"FnRAA1.0.6G2.YibFq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1248 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: In article <343E56DB.28FD@mediacity.com>, you wrote: >Thomas G.Barnes is ESSENTIAL reading. J.H.Piddington of Australia too. >Also missing from your list are Heaviside, Tesla, Alfven, Bostick, >Hertz, Weber, Franklin, .... Do you know specific titles? Also what is the first names or initials for Alfven and Bostick whom I've never heard of before? -- For information on any of the following check out my WEB site at: http://www.usachoice.net/bpaddock Chemical Free Air Conditioning/No CFC's, Chronic Pain Relief, Electromedicine, Electronics, Explore!, Free Energy, Full Disclosure, KeelyNet, Matric Limited, Neurophone, Oil City PA, Philadelphia Experiment. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 10 10:21:20 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id KAA01744; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 10:19:24 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 10:19:24 -0700 From: HLafonte@aol.com Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 13:18:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971010131704_2055533170@emout14.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com cc: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Seperation of sheet metal with magnets Resent-Message-ID: <"0sRFh2.0.5R.QEcFq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1249 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi all, I saw a device many years ago that used a magnet to seperate the individual pieces of sheet metal in a stack, so a worker could get his hands on them. It did not lift them one at a time, but fanned them apart. It was placed on the side of the stack not the top. Does any one know the principle of the process? Thanks, Butch From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 10 10:54:07 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id KAA12632; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 10:53:38 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 10:53:38 -0700 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 10:53:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710101753.KAA16111@pop1.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: szdanq@peseta.ucdavis.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dan Quickert Subject: Re: Seperation of sheet metal with magnets Resent-Message-ID: <"VpK49.0.H53.WkcFq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1250 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Butch wrote: >Hi all, >I saw a device many years ago that used a magnet to seperate the individual >pieces of sheet metal in a stack, so a worker could get his hands on them. It >did not lift them one at a time, but fanned them apart. It was placed on the >side of the stack not the top. Does any one know the principle of the >process? >Thanks, >Butch Given the right configuration, the ends of the sheets all end up with the same magnetic polarity, so they would repel each other. Something like this: magnet pile of sheets NXXXXS N------------------------S NXXXXS N------------------------S NXXXXS N------------------------S NXXXXS N------------------------S NXXXXS N------------------------S Dan Quickert From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 10 15:24:15 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id PAA30418; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 15:23:23 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 15:23:23 -0700 X-Sender: bailey@best.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 15:22:54 -0700 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: pgb@padrak.com (Patrick Bailey) Subject: Commentary on the Death of Bruce dePalma (by Toby Grotz) Resent-Message-ID: <"KabRc3.0.4R7.OhgFq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1251 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Commentary on the Death of Bruce dePalma By Toby Grotz Oct. 10, 1997 Total truth is necessary. You must live by what you say. Men will hate you for telling the truth. They will call you names. They may even kill you, but you must always tell the truth. If you live in truth, God will always stand with you - Neem Karoli Baba I heard that Bruce dePalma had crossed over from Paramahamsa Tewari. Tewari told me that dePalma had bleed to death internally. This was not a surprise considering the condition that I had seen Bruce in when I visited him in December of 1993. Bruce began each day upon arising, some time before noon, with fine wine mixed with sparkling water. Years of alcohol and substance abuse finally took its toll. I had wanted to ask Bruce a question before he died, but my last letter sent to him had come back "address unknown". I got the new address and phone number from Tewari and called Andrew Mount in New Zealand. Zealand. Andrew went into a rage and yelled and screamed at me over the phone and accused me of being part of the control groups who want to suppress free energy. He spoke as if Bruce was still here with us and said that I had violated Bruce's wish that the video I made during my visit to him in 1993 was to be given to Tewari and only Tewari. I tried to apologize for any misunderstanding but he said I could never make it up and that I would be cursed by my actions until death. I had not been able to show the video to Tewari when I visited him because it was made on Hi-8 format and we had only a short time together. When I made the video it was made with the understanding that it was to document Bruce's work and that it might be used in a documentary about free energy. Some of the footage that I shot on my trip was used in a documentary recently released called "Free Energy, The Race to Zero Point". The video includes footage I shot in Japan with Inomata and footage I shot in India with Tewari. Andrew and Bruce accused me, Pat Bailey, and the Institute for New Energy, by name and insinuated that all of the free energy organizations in the United States were nothing but front organizations for the suppression of free energy. This included anyone who ever worked in aerospace or for academic institutions, the government, or military. Andrew and Bruce among a host of other accusations declared that the INE web page, http:\\www.padrak.com/ine/, was the worst example of tabloid journalism on the net. Andrew is right now a very frightened young man. His financial means of support, his mentor, and lover, are gone. He is in a state of shock heightened by grief over Bruce's departure from this plain. Hopefully Bruce is now in a calmer state of mind than he ever experienced during life. We can only pray for both of them. There is a lot more to this story than has ever been told, including the real reasons that dePalma went to New Zealand. As close as you can get in print to the real story of dePalma and the N-machine is told in a book by Tom Valone in a chapter called "The Real Story of the N-Machine". Tom knows a lot more about it than what he wrote down. Ironically, Tom accused me of suppressing his paper in flyers he passed out and in talks he made at various new age conferences. Bruce inspired many researchers in the field of free energy during his life. Tewari credits him for providing the impetus to refine his 1977 hypothesis constructing the universe of matter and the medium of space with a single mobile entity (fluid substance) and with spurring him on to develop a new series of N-Machine designs. The Kahn-Trombly design and research efforts followed the work of dePalma. (For the record, there is no evidence that the Kahn-Trombly device was ever tested over unity.) The mystique and enigma that encircled the life of Bruce dePalma was due in part to the fact that he was never able to prove his theories with a working over unity device. The last machine he built in New Zealand was thoroughly tested and the output was found to be less than unity. The complete test report is available from the Institute for new Energy c/o Hal Fox, PO Box 58639, Salt Lake City, UT 84158-8639. Sadly all this drama trauma is of little or no concern to the soul when it comes time to leave this world. Most of what we spend our time doing is of little use when it comes to the moment of death. To understand life it is necessary also to understand death. In this culture little or no time is spent attempting to understand the purpose of our lives or what we are here for. For those wishing to understand more about life and our purpose, I recommend the "Tibetan Book of Living and Dying" by a contemporary Tibetan master, Sogyal Rinpoche http://www.users.dircon.co.uk/~m-brook/Rigpa/index.htm The following words of wisdom are helpful also. They could have been written by a Buddhist monk, but they were written by a Catholic Nun. Mother Teresa's Prayer Deliver me O Jesus >From the desire of being loved, >From the desire of being extolled, >From the desire of being honored, >From the desire of being praised, >From the desire of being preferred, >From the desire of being consulted, >From the desire of being approved, >From the desire of being popular, From the fear of being humiliated, From the fear of being despised, From the fear of suffering rebukes, From the fear of being calumniated, From the fear of being forgotten, From the fear of being wronged, From the fear of being ridiculed, From the fear of being suspected. Inquiries/Condolences may be addressed to: Andrew Mount dePalma Institute 1-51 Quinns Road Waiatarua New Zealand Phone/Fax 64-9-814-9077 Toby Grotz Wireless Engineering, Inc uVolts - mega volts, dc to light 760 Prairie Avenue Craig, Colorado 81625 USA wireless@rmii.com Ph. 970-824-6834 Fax 970-824-7864 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 10 18:18:23 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id SAA16265; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 18:17:45 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 18:17:45 -0700 From: steve-nyeoka@juno.com To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Back To Basics Message-ID: <19971010.211833.7231.0.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> References: <2UWP0UQy8ciR092yn@csonline.net> <343E56DB.28FD@mediacity.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-3 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 21:17:10 EDT Resent-Message-ID: <"c7BJd1.0.vz3.tEjFq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1252 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: A good list that will keep you busy for years is the "Emerging Energy Science" by Tom Bearden and Andrew Michrowski ( I have the 1985 version). Steve From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 10 20:59:46 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id UAA02502; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 20:59:10 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 20:59:10 -0700 Message-ID: <343EBAFF.50BF@xtra.co.nz> Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 12:32:15 +1300 From: Robbie Rowntree Reply-To: rown@xtra.co.nz X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-XTRA (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: openway@nor.com.au Subject: Re: the D.O.G., capacitive transformer ! References: <199709250317.NAA04463@nornet.nor.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"gP2wL3.0.wc.DclFq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1254 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Subject: Your requirement Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 12:31:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Oemtele1@aol.com To: rown@xtra.co.nz Sir: I saw your posting to the Internet newsgroup below. I work as a consultant to some companies which may be able to help you with your requirement. I'm thinking that their capabilities and products might be what you're looking for. If you'd like to discuss this, please let me know any other specifics you think are important here, as well as the time within which you would need the solution. Thanks, E.S. Healy Optimal Engineering Subject: Barium Titanate CRYSTALS From: Robbie Rowntree> Date: Tue, Sep 30, 1997 00:32 EDT Message-id: <343080D1.91B@xtra.co.nz> looking for source of Barium Titanate CRYSTALS, and allso means to bond them conductively to surfaces is there a conductive glue Thanks for any suggestions or help. Robbie > > >I guess it is something simular to the TEP 6.1x in the > >capacitive area ! > > > > Coils certainly aren't the only way to go. But the DOG is not reliant on > parametrics. > > >Looks pretty interesting and easy to build! > > > > Easy? Yes. Aside from the procuring the Barium crystal. But perhaps someone > in a better geographical position than myself can look into cost and > availablity, or suggest a substitute material with similar properties. > > >It is like a capacitive transformer. > > > > You mean a "flux capacitor". Seriously, if anyone has seen anything similar > the DOG in the literature, I would like to know. > > >Here also the question is, if you draw power form the output, is it > >also drawing more power from the input ? > > > > Well, this is a "secret" of the device, which I can only discuss, initially, > with someone willing and able to build it. BTW, this is a proven system, to me. > > >Also, how much high voltage AC power must be generated to drive > >the output ? > >The outer Big capacitor has also a lower resistance when applying AC ! > >So how much power has to be supplied via the HVAC generator ? > > > > Not much. In practice, they are close coupled. > > >But Good idea ! > > > >Somebody should try it ! > > > > I'm waiting. Let's someone do it! > > Peter Nielsen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 10 21:01:16 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id VAA02775; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 21:01:01 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 21:01:01 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971010215707.00d1ec1c@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 21:57:07 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: Re: Back To Basics In-Reply-To: <19971010.211833.7231.0.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> References: <2UWP0UQy8ciR092yn@csonline.net> <343E56DB.28FD@mediacity.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Cw4Yj.0.Fh.ydlFq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1255 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi all, I recommend "Potential Energy" by Carol White. (Subtitled, "Toward a New Electromagnetic Field Theory.") I would start with William Gilbert's "De Magnete." Follow with Robert Boyle's "Experiments and Notes about the Mechanical Origine or Production of Electricity." The work of Stephen Gray, Charles Dufay, and Pieter van Musschenbroek (of Leyden jar fame) are worth a look too. (all lived during the late 1600's to mid 1700's.) Best Regards, JD --------------------------------------------------------------- "Our frightful gods have only changed their names-now they rhyme with "ism."" -Jung mules@palacenet.net --------------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 10 21:48:08 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id VAA11187; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 21:47:39 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 21:47:39 -0700 Message-Id: <199710110446.BAA07950@bigbox.plug-in.com.br> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Marcelo Puhl" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 02:47:25 -3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Magnetic flux velocity ? Reply-to: mark@plug-in.com.br Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Resent-Message-ID: <"z9bj_3.0.ik2.gJmFq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1256 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: What will be the Magnetic Flux propagation velocity in FERRITE ? Marcelo From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 10 21:50:40 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id VAA11941; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 21:50:16 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 21:50:16 -0700 Message-ID: <343F0535.2CDA5CA3@microtronics.com.au> Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 14:18:53 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List Server Freenrg CC: List Server NeoTech , List Server Newman , List Server Vortex Subject: PMOD Update Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"yV2_i2.0.Jw2.5MmFq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1257 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi All, I have just finished the first installment on the PMOD theory of operation. Nothing really new, just a new way of using 2 existing ferromagnetic effects. You must understand it before you attempt to verify / duplicate. Good Reading / thinking. Hope you got your Vortex connection working Chris. But maybe now you know it all. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 10 22:10:24 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id WAA05191; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 22:09:49 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 22:09:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <343F063D.CA19F84B@microtronics.com.au> Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 14:23:17 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List Server Vortex , List Server Freenrg Subject: [Fwd: Magnetic flux velocity ?] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------AB96198F979963684F36D5A0" Resent-Message-ID: <"vHjmF3.0.sG1.OemFq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1258 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------AB96198F979963684F36D5A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson --------------AB96198F979963684F36D5A0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-ID: <343F05F7.8402E642@microtronics.com.au> Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 14:22:07 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mark@plug-in.com.br Subject: Re: Magnetic flux velocity ? References: <199710110446.BAA07950@bigbox.plug-in.com.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Marcelo Puhl wrote: > > What will be the Magnetic Flux propagation velocity in FERRITE ? > > Marcelo HI Marcelo, I have measured it at 1.6Us / Mtr. Varies somewhat depending on the material and material geometry. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson --------------AB96198F979963684F36D5A0-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 10 22:30:41 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id VAA11187; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 21:47:39 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 21:47:39 -0700 Message-Id: <199710110446.BAA07950@bigbox.plug-in.com.br> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Marcelo Puhl" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 02:47:25 -3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Magnetic flux velocity ? Reply-to: mark@plug-in.com.br Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Resent-Message-ID: <"z9bj_3.0.ik2.gJmFq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1256 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: What will be the Magnetic Flux propagation velocity in FERRITE ? Marcelo From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 10 23:18:31 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id VAA11941; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 21:50:16 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 21:50:16 -0700 Message-ID: <343F0535.2CDA5CA3@microtronics.com.au> Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 14:18:53 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List Server Freenrg CC: List Server NeoTech , List Server Newman , List Server Vortex Subject: PMOD Update Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"yV2_i2.0.Jw2.5MmFq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1257 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi All, I have just finished the first installment on the PMOD theory of operation. Nothing really new, just a new way of using 2 existing ferromagnetic effects. You must understand it before you attempt to verify / duplicate. Good Reading / thinking. Hope you got your Vortex connection working Chris. But maybe now you know it all. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 11 01:03:11 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id BAA28356; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 01:02:44 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 01:02:44 -0700 From: JNaudin509@aol.com Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 04:00:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971011040048_1276773022@emout18.mail.aol.com> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com cc: newman-l@emachine.com, gwatson@microtronics.com.au, fepps@mail1.halcyon.com Subject: Re : Re: PMOD Update Resent-Message-ID: <"AmmBz.0.sw6.YApFq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1259 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On 11/10/1997 09:49:29 , Fred Epps wrote : << Hi Greg, Thanks for the detailed info about the PMOD and your other devices. It does clarify the process a great deal. Personally, I am of the opinion that the TEP circuits and the PMOD do not have the same operating principle. This doesn't reflect upon the workability of either one: if there is an "anomalous energy" about, it makes sense that there would be several ways to tap into it. Fred >> Hi Greg, Thanks Greg for your interesting informations about your PMOD device. I agree with Fred, our TEP Project does not have the same principle, it seems used the main basic components, but the main TEP concept for tapping ZPF Energy is not based on your PMOD Principle.... There is many different means to fly with an heavy than air...... But our goal is the same.... :-) Good luck in your Quest of Overunity, Sincerely, Jean-Louis Naudin From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 11 01:34:42 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id BAA31562; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 01:34:12 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 01:34:12 -0700 Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 01:34:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710110834.BAA25392@norway.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: PMOD Update Resent-Message-ID: <"Vy0vh1.0.3j7.3epFq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1260 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Greg, At 02:18 PM 10/11/97 +0930, you wrote: >I have just finished the first installment on the PMOD theory of >operation. Nothing really new, just a new way of using 2 existing >ferromagnetic effects. > >You must understand it before you attempt to verify / duplicate. > I have been collecting ferrite and equipment since you posted a while back on the unusual back EMF of a ferrite core coil with short pulses- even current reversals. In your updated article, you show the permeability peak of 2500 vs. 2000 for a sample ferrite, do you think this can be accurately measured with a utility grade RF generator - measuring the resonance with various C's and calculating inductance vs. f? Also when I do the barkhausen experiment with ferrites, like AM antenna types, do not hear the noise from the domains, is the change much faster in ferrites than a piece of steel? I hope to do a PMOD experiment soon even without 300MHz pulse generators, scopes, etc. Thanks, Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 11 01:54:18 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id BAA01142; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 01:53:59 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 01:53:59 -0700 Message-ID: <343F3E51.686BDFCC@microtronics.com.au> Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 18:22:33 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List Server Freenrg CC: List Server Vortex Subject: More PMOD info Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"9gdYZ1.0.zG.ZwpFq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1261 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: HI All, More PMOD info has been posted. There is a suggested test circuit and some waveforms. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 11 02:05:31 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id CAA04193; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 02:05:17 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 02:05:17 -0700 Message-ID: <343F40F8.820B00B2@microtronics.com.au> Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 18:33:52 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List Server Freenrg CC: List Server Vortex Subject: PMOD & Tep References: <971011040048_1276773022@emout18.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"IBOjD1.0.J11.B5qFq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1262 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: JNaudin509@aol.com wrote: > > Thanks Greg for your interesting informations about your PMOD device. > I agree with Fred, our TEP Project does not have the same principle, it seems > used the main basic components, but the main TEP concept for tapping ZPF > Energy is not based on your PMOD Principle.... > > There is many different means to fly with an heavy than air...... > But our goal is the same.... :-) > > Jean-Louis Naudin HI Jean-Louis, Sorry to disagree, but my analysis of the coil current wave forms on the Tep 6.2 duty cycle tests show your bifilar coil is very inductive. The current wave form clearly shows a current ramp complete with initial H/B phase shift and Barkhausen noise bumps as the current ramps up. If the coil were really bifilar there would be NO current ramp and the voltage across the resistor would be very much higher. The output wave form also shows Barkhausen bumps. My conclusion is that the coil is inductive and the energy is coming from the ferrite. If you could send me some more current waveforms I can do a better analysis of what is happening in your TEP system. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 11 02:30:10 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id CAA05965; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 02:29:50 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 02:29:50 -0700 Message-ID: <343F465A.66076581@microtronics.com.au> Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 18:56:50 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List Server Freenrg CC: List Server Vortex Subject: Tep Coil Current Ramp Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------9247F5F7DA08E01DA3C1B1D6" Resent-Message-ID: <"rXWBp2.0._S1.CSqFq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1263 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------9247F5F7DA08E01DA3C1B1D6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit HI Jean-Louis, I have attached the current ramp in question. If the coil were non-inductive the voltage across the current sample resistor should be approx 2 v and show NO current ramp of Barkhausen noise. The current reaches a peak of 0.75 amps. It should be more like 2 amps. 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crashed my program, but I think I know the one, I went back and looked it up in all of the myriads of TEP variations. > I have attached the current ramp in question. > > If the coil were non-inductive the voltage across the current sample > resistor should be approx 2 v and show NO current ramp of Barkhausen > noise. > > The current reaches a peak of 0.75 amps. It should be more like 2 > amps. > > The coil is clearly inductive. > -- Greg, speaking only for myself, I can say that it has never mattered to me whether the coils were strictly speaking noninductive in the Bearden/scalar/Bob Shannon sense. It certainly mattered to others in the group. The TEP group does not hold any coherent theory about what we are doing, or why we are getting the results we get. (Unless they came up with one and forgot to tell me ;-) I know that Jean-louis has a real affinity for the scalar explanation, but I think it all a little too pat and too abstract for me. It is clear that magnetic domains can be a source of energy, although I believe the explanation probably does not lie on the nuclear level but on the level of the domains as self-organizing systems, like living things feeding on thermal energy. My personal belief is that the universe is just not closed, on any level, at any time-- thus conservation laws are handy abstractions but cannot be used to determine whether a particular system is "for real" or not. But getting to the main point. It seems to me that your argument can be summed up like this: 1) There are only two possible sources of anomalous energy, scalar and nuclear magnetic. 2) The TEP is not scalar, so it must be nuclear magnetic. I don't share these assumptions. My assumptions are: 1) There are many sources of anomalous energy. 2) There is no way that all of them can be fitted into a single theory, or even three, at this time. 3) So why try? Let a hundred flowers bloom... Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 11 03:25:06 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id DAA18288; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 03:24:44 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 03:24:44 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 22:07:37 +1000 Message-Id: <199710111207.WAA03804@main.murray.net.au> X-Sender: egel@main.murray.net.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Geoff Egel Subject: Re: New additions to my web page Resent-Message-ID: <"sC0P71.0.fT4.fFrFq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1265 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Have added an article about a steam car constructed by a Victorian (Australian) and car he made to run on steam with good results. Have also added an article about the Stirling Liquid pump Check them out my Geocities site. http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135 home page http://www2.murray.net.au/users/egel Geoff From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 11 03:25:16 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id DAA12135; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 03:25:06 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 03:25:06 -0700 Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 22:07:57 +1000 Message-Id: <199710111207.WAA03809@main.murray.net.au> X-Sender: egel@main.murray.net.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Geoff Egel Subject: Re: New additions to my web page Resent-Message-ID: <"yOgYi2.0.Uz2.1GrFq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1266 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Have added an article about a steam car constructed by a Victorian (Australian) and car he made to run on steam with good results. Have also added an article about the Stirling Liquid pump Check them out my Geocities site. http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135 home page http://www2.murray.net.au/users/egel Geoff From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 11 06:21:46 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id GAA01799; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 06:21:23 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 06:21:23 -0700 From: JNaudin509@aol.com Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 09:19:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971011091938_-1898118245@emout18.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com cc: vortex-l@eskimo.com, gwatson@microtronics.com.au, fepps@mail1.halcyon.com Subject: Re : PMOD & Tep MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="PART.BOUNDARY.0.14535.emout18.mail.aol.com.876575977" Resent-Message-ID: <"F4O6a3.0.zR.IrtFq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1267 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: --PART.BOUNDARY.0.14535.emout18.mail.aol.com.876575977 Content-ID: <0_14535_876575978@emout18.mail.aol.com.2050> Content-type: text/plain On 11/10/1997 11:11:06 , you wrote : << HI Jean-Louis, My conclusion is that the coil is inductive and the energy is coming from the ferrite. >> Hi Greg, I am glad to see that you are interested about our TEP project, you are welcome :-) In the case of the TEP V6.20, I am SURE that the energy is not coming from the ferrite because, I have used an AIR CORE in this experiment......You will find the diagram of this test in the attached document. Bifilar coil specs : L1=L2 bifilar interweaved, L= 0.59mH, N=92 turns of #24 AWG (5/10) R(L1=L2) = 1.8 ohms, Diam 90mm, L=115mm you will find pictures and more specs in my web site, I shall tried to test your PMOD soon, could you sent to me, a simple scheme of your self-powered PMOD.... As soon as I have your PMOD self-running scheme, I shall built it and I shall sent to you my feed back..... Concerning my self-powered TEP devices, you will find all TEP's diagrams and schemes in my web site : http://members.aol.com/overunity4/html/scalwidx.htm and also in Stefan Hartmann site : www.overunity.de/tep/ TODAY, the discussions about real source of energy ( ferrite or ZPF ) is not so important, we need to FOCUS on, how to IMPROVE our PMOD/TEP devices for a COP>>>1 and having a simple scheme ( but detailled and cheap ) of a self-powered device which could be reproducible by anyone in the World...... Nice to share our ideas again, this remind me our last fascinating SMOT story..... 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+0100 From: Martin Schmid X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: Shamal@datacomm.ch Subject: Re: [Fwd: Magnetic flux velocity ?] X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"MiJ0O2.0.L95.l1wFq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1268 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi everybody, I'm not new on the list but I'm one of these passive listeners trying to profit from your discoveries without doing any more than moving mice. More seriously: as member of the quantum energy research group (http://www.rqm.ch/) I should know these things, but I'm guessing around like the rest of the world, too. Reading Greg's claim of the magnetic flux propagation being around 1.6us/m depending on the geometry besides the type of material, I had the idea, that the flux propagation speed could also depend on the geometry of the coil you are using (how close two turns are to each other - just for naming one parameter) and the current propagation time within, which shall be near the speed of light. Although this wouldn't have a major consequence to the physics of the ferrite, it could be the cause of unexpected results such as unstable propagation speed measured within the material, decreased or increased efficiency of a device or additional resonance effects. It could also be a reason why some effects of bifilar windings occur. Just that you can provoke physical effects by using the time separation between forward and backward winding parts of a coil or use or being victime of interference effects between different layers of a coil which could easily exceed the capabilities of your workshop equipment to either detect it or to stand it - that would also explain why my power supply blew off while I drew just some few milliamps from it. two things left: I feel, we do _not_ know too much about anything and my favourite coil would have just one single turn.... Best Regards Martin Schmid From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 11 09:03:49 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id JAA10399; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 09:03:11 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 09:03:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 09:03:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710111603.JAA26437@germany.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: mrandall@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Michael Randall Subject: Re: PMOD Update Resent-Message-ID: <"Kh3pU.0.MY2.yCwFq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1269 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Greg, At 02:18 PM 10/11/97 +0930, you wrote: >Hi All, > >I have just finished the first installment on the PMOD theory of >operation. Nothing really new, just a new way of using 2 existing >ferromagnetic effects. Yes, the ferromagnetic effects looks interesting! Looking forward to your PMOD & RMOG designs that can utilize this effect for ou energy production! Best Regards, Michael From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 11 09:18:53 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id JAA24484; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 09:18:30 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 09:18:30 -0700 Message-Id: <199710111617.NAA19644@bigbox.plug-in.com.br> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Marcelo Puhl" To: Greg Watson Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 14:18:28 -3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Magnetic flux velocity ? Reply-to: mark@plug-in.com.br CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Priority: normal In-reply-to: <343F3D3F.4F4E8253@microtronics.com.au> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Resent-Message-ID: <"sP1kz1.0.T-5.LRwFq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1270 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > > 1.6 microseconds per meter. > > -- How did you measure that ? Two coils separated by some distance ? And what if you drive this two coils with properly phased pulses to resonate the magnectic flux in the ferrite core ? And what if the two coils are rotated 90 degrees each other to generate a rotating magnetic field ? And what if you modulate the drive signal @60 Hz ? Just brainstorming ... Marcelo From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 11 11:41:09 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id LAA13731; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 11:40:44 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 11:40:44 -0700 Message-Id: <199710111840.LAA16095@mailtod-122.bryant.webtv.net> From: leelouden@webtv.net (Lee Louden) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 11:40:24 -0700 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Hi Patrick Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"J2ZoR1.0.SM3.hWyFq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1271 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: You may not remember me but we have met a few times at the UFO EXPO's and you (and a lot of other folks) were in my hotel room one Saturday night, in 1995, until 2 am. Richard Hoagland and several other Expo speakers were there and we all had a good time. I also bought a set of patent abstracts from you that year. I am writing this because I have finally gotten a decent sized lab going here in Felton where I can tackle more ambitious projects than I could in the past. I am interested in connecting with other free-energy people who want to do more than talk about it. I am also involved in alternative healing systems and have built several. I am new to the Web and just sort of groping my way around. I found you from Bill Beaty's mail list. His site seems to be very good; any others you can recommend. I would particularly like to connect with local people who are interested in collaborating on projects here in Felton. Sincerely, Lee Louden From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 11 13:02:10 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id NAA27199; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 13:01:33 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 13:01:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710112001.RAA25781@bigbox.plug-in.com.br> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Marcelo Puhl" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 18:01:34 -3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Gary generator ? Reply-to: mark@plug-in.com.br Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Resent-Message-ID: <"SLekX2.0.qe6.QizFq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1272 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Is there any chance of overunity on such a device ? See it at : http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/4810/ Marcelo From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 11 16:17:23 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id QAA15971; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 16:16:53 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 16:16:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <34400896.64A5782D@microtronics.com.au> Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 08:45:34 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List Server Freenrg CC: List Server Vortex Subject: PMOD Test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"i2_xy2.0.Pv3.XZ0Gq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1273 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: HI Jean-Louis and others, Good work Jean-Louis, you are fast. I wish I had your speed and equipment. Go to 200Ns / div. Use a 0.1 ohm resistor (a piece of calibrated wire will do). The current sensing resistor should be much less than the coil DC resistance. Let you scopes amplifiers do some work. Its ONLY the stuff in the ON time of the current drive that is of interest at present. You need to measure the time of the initial current pulse to determine the "Critical Ferrite / Domain response time). Then trim the drive pulse width to slightly less than the Critical Response time and play with the cycle time. I will have another circuit, showing how to trap the time delayed back Emf as DC, up in a few hours. Please Jean-Louis, read the PMOD article. This effect is real. My comments on the Tep current ramp were only aimed to add information to your research. If there is a current ramp, something is acting like there is a large inductance in the circuit and to fully understand what is happening in the Tep, you must factor in the current ramp and the observed Barkhausen noise that is clearly shown both in the current pulse and the output pulse. The Barkhausen noise bumps are normally a clear sign that a ferrite is in the magnetic circuit. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 11 16:27:11 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id QAA19733; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 16:26:24 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 16:26:24 -0700 Message-ID: <34400AD0.93A646E3@microtronics.com.au> Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 08:55:04 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List Server Freenrg CC: List Server Vortex Subject: PMOD Tests Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ylDX9.0.2q4.Ti0Gq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1274 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: HI again, In the next series of photos, use delayed trace 100Ns / div and show the leading edge of the Fet drive pulse along with the current waveforms. As you show the current waveform across a 1 ohm resistor, I don't understand where all the between cycle waveforms are coming from. They look like what you would get across the coil or maybe your fet is damaged and has a low leakage path through it. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 11 17:46:22 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id RAA29903; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 17:46:03 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 17:46:03 -0700 X-Sender: leoguitar@mail.vossnet.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: newman-l@emachine.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: strange coil test results Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 02:44:12 +0100 Message-Id: <19971012024412.1311b039.in@pop3.vossnet.de> Resent-Message-ID: <"A8Rkq2.0.4J7.9t1Gq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1275 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi, yeasterday evening I was at Dieter Bauer=B4s work place, where we tested some circuits with scopes and pulse generator, etc... I have tried the circuit in : http://www.overunity.de/tep/tep623.gif Without the iron core ! but with just aircore coils wound on each other , which were from an old transformer with removed iron cores. As these 2 coils both had about 2.5 Ohm DC resistance, I used as a load resistor 56 Ohm and applied about 10 Volts of DC input voltage. When I switched now manually one coil shorted with a manual switch , there were pulses seen as in our=20 http://www.overunity.de/poover/tep.htm GIF picture. Unfortunately there were much higher exponential down pulses than Up pulses= ! Also when I pulled the AM ferrite rod out of the coil, there was no more up-spike, but only down spikes.... (which destroys the OU effect !) As the up-spikes were really small and only had a really small area, I guess it really depends on the used coils and the ferrite rod to get such a good waveform like in the article at: http://www.overunity.de/poover/tep.htm Also it really depends, that the COILS ARE WINDED OVER EACH OTHER OR ARE INTERWEAVED WINDED ! Cause I tested a second setup with 2 aircore coils being seperated from each other a few cms and there I did not get any spikes at all without a ferrite rod, and only down spikes when I=20 stuck the ferrite rod into one coil . ( We only had one ferrite rod at this test time !) But I did not get any UPspikes at all !!! So it seems the coils must be interweaved or at least be winded on each= other to get these OU important UPspikes ! Dieter Bauer had also build up a new test circuit with an FET driven by a= pulse generator and 2 coils with ferrite core, but these test results where not yet conclusive enough due to the scope he used...but we also have seen very good spikes ! He wants to try it on Monday with a better scope having a 100 Mhz range and see what he can get. He will post his results soon... With the TEP and PMOD you really have to have high frequency scopes available to do your tests ! But the main result is: We have seen these spikes, but it seems really to depend on the used coils and the used ferrite configuration to get the right results for overunity operation. Also we have seen some of the waveforms GREG WATSON describes in his new= PMOD description from 11th of October. 2.nd conclusion: It seems right, that sometimes you don=B4t see any spikes at all, when you= use the wrong coil configurations, like in the TEP6.22sh and TEP 6.23sh transformer test INCLUDING the IRON CORE ! See: http://www.overunity.de/tep/tep62-3.gif Hope this helps. Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 11 20:19:58 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id UAA13898; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 20:19:01 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 20:19:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <34404148.A731ADB0@microtronics.com.au> Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 12:47:28 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List Server Freenrg CC: List Server Vortex Subject: TEP current waveforms Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------9B4E3C0C60B68C59E8F6AAEF" Resent-Message-ID: <"G9TLd.0.2P3.X64Gq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1276 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------9B4E3C0C60B68C59E8F6AAEF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Jean-Louis and all. I have attached a revised TEP 6.2 current waveform with my comments. IMO is clearly shows a classic inductive current ramp. I am not saying that the TEP is not doing strange things at all, its just that you must factor in all the data and the current waveform shows a significant inductive current ramp. 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(Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List Server Freenrg CC: List Server Vortex Subject: PMOD current waveforms Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"xYpTB.0.w66.QB4Gq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1277 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Jean-Louis and all, I have attached the excellent current photo of Jean-Louis with some comments. Its the first 10-50Ns thats of interest here. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 11 20:26:37 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id UAA14851; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 20:25:01 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 20:25:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <34404297.57D9EDCC@microtronics.com.au> Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 12:53:03 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List Server Freenrg CC: List Server Vortex Subject: PMOD current waveforms Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------9708DE1FE7D6BC02BF644FFF" Resent-Message-ID: <"-JpRf.0.xd3.8C4Gq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1278 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------9708DE1FE7D6BC02BF644FFF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Jean-Louis and all, I have attached the excellent current photo of Jean-Louis with some comments. 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Resent-Message-ID: <"023-Y2.0.O_3.9R4Gq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1279 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: hello you might consider contacting : bill beates @hovertech.com www.hovertech.com he is working on a project dealing with ions to produce anti-gravity.. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 11 23:28:54 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id XAA12527; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 23:28:19 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 23:28:19 -0700 Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 23:28:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710120628.XAA02682@germany.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: mrandall@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Freenrg From: Michael Randall Subject: PMOD Tests & RMOG Resent-Message-ID: <"jFvLp1.0.e33.2u6Gq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1280 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Greg, >In the next series of photos, use delayed trace 100Ns / div and show >the leading edge of the Fet drive pulse along with the current >waveforms. > >As you show the current waveform across a 1 ohm resistor, I don't >understand where all the between cycle waveforms are coming from. >They look like what you would get across the coil or maybe your fet is >damaged and has a low leakage path through it. You mentioned that the "ferrite effect" occured in the 100 to 300Mhz pulse range. Jean-Louis' PMOD V1.0 input pulse looks like 5Mhz? You also mentioned the PMOD design difficulty of using the 300Mhz L2 output coil waveform due to the current technology of diodes and capacitors that could not handle such a fast ac signal to rectify to dc. How did you solve that in order to use the output to power a load? Also looking forward to photo's of your RMOG unit and the design drawings! It sounds alot easier to build and use the "ferrite effect" for ou energy production? Best Regards, Michael Randall From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 12 01:07:49 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id BAA25976; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 01:05:47 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 01:05:47 -0700 Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 01:05:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710120805.BAA14118@iceland.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: TEP current waveforms Resent-Message-ID: <"xo0cb1.0.nL6.QJ8Gq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1281 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Greg and all, At 12:47 PM 10/12/97 +0930, you wrote: >Hi Jean-Louis and all. > >I have attached a revised TEP 6.2 current waveform with my comments. >IMO is clearly shows a classic inductive current ramp. I am not >saying that the TEP is not doing strange things at all, its just that >you must factor in all the data and the current waveform shows a >significant inductive current ramp. > >Over to the TEP team to figure out why. See TEP2.jpg from Greg. The steady state current from all the R's is about 2.4 Amp, so the .75A has not reached a steady state. If the ON time was longer, this current, IMO, would be seen. I would estimate the Approx 0.4uS ON time to be about 1/2 time constant with a total resistance of about 5 Ohm. This turns out to be a time constant with a 4uH inductor. 4uH is reasonable with 2 0.59mH coils connected opposing. As Jean-Louis mentioned, the high frequency variations are not Barkhausen switching, as the coil is air-core, not ferrite. Hope this helps. -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 12 03:07:18 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id DAA04236; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 03:03:29 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 03:03:29 -0700 Message-ID: <3440A025.F2256130@microtronics.com.au> Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 19:32:13 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List Server Freenrg CC: List Server Vortex Subject: PMOD Test Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"WgVt41.0.l11.l1AGq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1282 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: HI Jean-Louis and all, I still have a real problem with the current waveforms. The waveform shows current flowing outside the time the fet is on. This just can't be right. Something is wrong. Check if the fet is damaged and leaking. As you are using 2 channels, I trust the ground on the two channels are isolated from each other. Please check with a Ohm meter to ensure the ground leads of the two probes are NOT connected together. This need to be sorted out. The current waveforms are NOT correct. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 12 03:24:17 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id DAA07945; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 03:23:10 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 03:23:10 -0700 From: JNaudin509@aol.com Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 06:20:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971012062048_660440138@emout13.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com cc: vortex-l@eskimo.com, gwatson@microtronics.com.au Subject: PMOD - Tests passed. Resent-Message-ID: <"BprcA2.0.2y1.DKAGq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1283 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Greg and all, You will find in my web site, my first test report about the Greg Watson's PMOD device at : http://members.aol.com/overunity2/html/pmod.htm 1) I have used a 0.8 ohm resistive straight wire. 2) the leads are shortest as possible, I have also tested the PMOD V1.2 with a magnetic field, when I put a stack of magnets, N pole oriented towards the center of the ferrite rod the signal is magnified. I look forward to receive your comments soon, Sincerely, ( This mail has been sent at 10h21 GMT on 12 October 97 ) Jean-Louis Naudin ( France / GMT+2 ) Email : JNaudin509@aol.com my Overunity WEB Server : http://members.aol.com/JNaudin509/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 12 03:35:04 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id DAA16271; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 03:34:33 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 03:34:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3440A731.6495FA34@microtronics.com.au> Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 20:02:17 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List Server Freenrg CC: List Server Vortex Subject: PMOD Test Comments part 2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"_v66e2.0._z3.rUAGq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1284 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: HI Jean-Louis and all, Please ensure the next series of current waveforms use DC coupling and the 0V ref is the on the centre reticle. Hope you find the problem causing current to flow outside the Fet on time. Good work so far. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 12 05:27:53 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id FAA22157; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 05:27:17 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 05:27:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710121226.JAA13786@bigbox.plug-in.com.br> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Marcelo Puhl" To: JNaudin509@aol.com Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 10:27:08 -3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: PMOD - Tests passed. Reply-to: mark@plug-in.com.br CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Priority: normal In-reply-to: <971012062048_660440138@emout13.mail.aol.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Resent-Message-ID: <"uGiwM2.0.5Q5.Y8CGq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1285 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hello, JNaudin wrote: > 1) I have used a 0.8 ohm resistive straight wire. If your FET is conected ONLY to this resistive wire, what will be the waveform ? > 2) the leads are shortest as possible, Shortest at this pulse width means "LESS THAN A CENTIMETER". And make sure you are using a thick wire, 14 AWG or 12 AWG. And what about your FET's drive circuit ? I would suggest a totem-pole circuit driving the FET's gate thru a 10 Ohm series resitor. Regards, Marcelo From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 12 06:00:32 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id FAA25410; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 05:59:22 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 05:59:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19971012130223.2af7ef58@home.inetnow.com> X-Sender: hargraves@home.inetnow.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 08:02:23 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: hargraves Subject: Re: Magnetic death ..?? Resent-Message-ID: <"nl8hT.0.vC6.ZcCGq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1286 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 11:06 AM 7/7/97 -0600, you wrote: >Just Reporting: Todays Rocky Mt News pg 38a Mike Anton, Science Editor >(303) 892-2327 - e-mail science@denver-rmn.com : > >quote: > MAGNETIC DEATH > > A "magnetic front" is blamed for disorienting tens of thousands of >racing pigeons that flew the English Channel to France to mark the British >Racing Pigeon Society's centenary. Laurent Toussaint, responsible for >monitoring the race, told 'The Times' of London, "There was a magnetic >front south of the release point, over the Loire...which would certainly >have disoriented them." Dead pigeons were seen strewn along roadsides in >France. > > >-=Steve Ekwall=- O POBox 1255-80150 >ekwall2@diac.com wk.1.800.798.1100 >ekwall2@freenet.scri.fsu.edu_________________1.303.293.2FAX > > >There is a kind of magnetic anomally In Oklahoma. south west of Oklahoma city I think. Racing pigons get lost in that area, Thus Pigeon racing clubs avoid that area. also Pigon racing People in the varrious clubs arround the world are aware of these locations. There is undoughtedly, in some government valt some were some kind of Magnetic intensity map. and Gravitational strenth map . as these forces are not equally distibuted. in any way that seems to make sence. Hargraves, Randy / Oklahoma City area Yukon, Okla.. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 12 07:41:44 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id HAA02150; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 07:40:25 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 07:40:25 -0700 X-Sender: leoguitar@mail.vossnet.de (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, newman-l@emachine.com From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: www.overunity.de updated ! Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 16:19:16 +0100 Message-Id: <19971012161916.15fbe729.in@pop3.vossnet.de> Resent-Message-ID: <"wZOhD.0.UX.N5EGq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1287 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi, you will now always find the latest updates in my: http://www.overunity.de/update.htm page ! Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 12 09:25:33 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id JAA22782; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 09:25:02 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 09:25:02 -0700 Message-ID: <3441047B.4761@mediacity.com> Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 09:10:19 -0800 From: "M.Twain" X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: New Charter, DePalma Institute Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"-NOUP1.0.oZ5.TdFGq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1288 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I have no details to add on Bruce DePalma's death. Here is one of his final compositions, the new charter for the Institute. It will be posted on the [http://www.depalma.org.nz] website soon. I arrive in Auckland in six days, to become the new student (synonomous with teacher) there. to healing, to nature, to work for a tomorrow, Millennium gardener-in-chief, DePalma Institute ________________________ 19 September 1997 DePalma Institute     1)  DePalma Institute is a New Zealand registered non-profit, non-taxed, charitable educational Trust. 2)  The Institute is chartered to provide a free education to suitably constituted individuals.  Food, board, housing, as well as educational expenses are provided by the Institute. 3)  The goal of the Institute is to intellectually and morally prepare young people for life in a sustainable ecologically balanced society.   4)  DePalma Institute is primarily concerned with ecological and environmental sustainability as supported by hi-tech engineering and science.   5)  DePalma Institute operates on an apprentice basis.  A laboratory will be operated where students can participate in research and development on energy techniques which do not produce pollution or noxious by-products.   6)  Entrance to DePalma Institute is facilitated by interviews with the candidate by Institute staff.  Once admitted the student is on a probationary period of six months.  Students who's personalities are not compatible with an ecologically sustainable planetary society will not be formally admitted.   7)  Students will have to take an oath that none of the science or engineering techniques acquired at DePalma Institute during the course of their education will ever be applied in a life endangering manner or in an ecologically destructive way to the planet. 8)  A Christian moral atmosphere will be cultivated among the students. 9)  Graduation for a student occurs when in the opinion of the student and his teachers he has finished the period of his education and moves on to practical work in the world. 10)  The Goal for the Institute is a culturally and ecologically sustainable planet.  Preparation for this life should begin with the youth.  DePalma Institute stresses that life is a balance between cultural and technological forces. 11)  The only criterion placed on students is that they are healthy and capable of creative and constructive contributions to our society.  There are no restrictions because of race, colour, sex, age or religious beliefs. 12)  It is recognized by DePalma Institute that a sustainable, i.e. viable planetary society cannot be constructed out of individuals who place greed, or personal power or control developed irrespective of the limitations of the natural world.  On this planet, food, air, water, energy and space are not available in infinite supply.   These same limitations have to penetrate the world of commerce and business.  Ownership can never be total, control complete, or money unlimited.   The future citizens of a sustainable planetary economy will have a different set of priorities in the living of their lives.  Supplies and energy are not unlimited, a throw-away economy is not viable.   A new source of non-polluting energy cannot in itself address the deeper issues of re-constructing society, to be sustainable.  As a consequence of the unique geo-political location of New Zealand there exists here the possibility of evolving a self-sufficient society in which all the requirements of civilization can be generated locally without the necessity of importation of anything especially oil and gasoline.   It is the commitment of DePalma Institute to prepare students for the next phase of planetary existence.  The stage where we must learn to live in a society configured for self-sustainability. The best way to achieve this goal on a planetary basis is to provide an example for the rest of the world to follow. If we fail, the obverse of sustainability is un-sustainability, and as the Bible says: "our days are numbered."   Bruce DePalma From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 12 09:38:08 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id JAA25049; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 09:37:44 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 09:37:44 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971012103345.010ef654@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 10:33:45 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: Re: PMOD Test Comments part 2 In-Reply-To: <3440A731.6495FA34@microtronics.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"-K4dB1.0.F76.LpFGq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1289 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi all... At 20:02 10/12/97 +0930, Greg wrote: >Hope you find the problem causing current to flow outside the Fet on >time. > >Good work so far. Yes, it is. Thank you, Jean-Louis! The damped ringing part of the wave form is probably due to the parasitic capacitance of the mosfet. That capacitance, in combination with the circuit inductance, forms a resonant tank which is shock excited. When the mosfet is off it looks like diode (hopefully reverse biased) and a fixed capacitor connected in parallel. (well, sorta, this is the macromacro model.:) The reverse biased diode looks like a voltage variable capacitor. The fixed capacitance is that of the device to the rest of the world...if you use a TO-220 device on an insulating pad against a grounded heat sink, you get about 20-35 pF. It's a good idea to draw the larger parasitic components on the schematic, as it helps in the analysis. At the very least, the intrinsic body diode within the mosfet should always be drawn. Since although it is a "parasitic" device, it is very slow and capable of supporting as much current as the device can withstand. That's one heck of a parasitic component! Hey, Fred! .....it's a voltage dependant capacitance! Yet another parametric gizmo to play with, and you get one free with every mosfet. B^) Best Regards, JD --------------------------------------------------------------- "Our frightful gods have only changed their names-now they rhyme with "ism."" -Jung mules@palacenet.net --------------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 12 12:12:13 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id MAA32010; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 12:11:52 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 12:11:52 -0700 Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 12:11:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710121911.MAA13364@italy.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: mosfet switch pulses Resent-Message-ID: <"jLEJ4.0.1q7.s3IGq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1290 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Everyone, I have run into an effect with MOSFETS as switches. With the drain unconnected (except for the oscilloscope) and a pulse generator (555) connected to the gate and source, I see a negative pulse at the drain when the MOSFET gate goes from ON to OFF. I believe it is from gate to drain capacitance. A corresponding positive pulse when the MOSFET is turned on isn't seen as the drain is then "connected" to the source. If a single coil is connected across the D-S of the MOSFET with no other drain connection, the coil will ring from this input pulse. It's amplitude is less than -0.5V (clamped by the reverse body diode in the MOSFET). By looking at the time constant with a resistor across the Drain, Source, I estimate the capacitance to be about 2.5nF. Could I remove its effect by connecting another capacitor from the drain to an inverted gate signal, balancing the capacitive feedthrough i.e. neutralization? Is there another batter way one can suggest? Upon closer inspection, I do see a positive pulse when the gate is turned ON, but this pulse is terminated when the MOSFET turns on, and is less than 50nS, about the limit of my scope. The MOSFET I'm testing is a 12Amp, 80Volt unit (12N08). Thanks, -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 12 13:11:24 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id NAA14329; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 13:07:47 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 13:07:47 -0700 Message-Id: <199710121950.MAA26251@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: PMOD Test Comments part 2 Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 12:59:12 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"uYkF82.0.oV3.IuIGq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1291 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Jack and all! > > At the very least, the intrinsic body diode within the mosfet should > always be drawn. Since although it is a "parasitic" device, it is > very slow and capable of supporting as much current as the device can > withstand. That's one heck of a parasitic component! > > Hey, Fred! .....it's a voltage dependant capacitance! Yet another > parametric gizmo to play with, and you get one free with every mosfet. > B^) Yes, I have discussed this with John Schnurer. There is actually a patent for a variable capacitor using miller capacitance. I looked at it pretty thoroughly, so I'm surprised I didn't recognize it when it showed up in the PMOD scope pix-- and probably all over the TEP ones, too, though I haven't looked yet. It seems that it would behoove us Teppites to get off of MOSFETs and find some sort of Photo switch or relay that can run at these freqs, pulse widths, etc. Do you have any suggestions, Jack? I will do a web search in the meantime... Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 12 15:08:56 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id PAA13380; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 15:08:31 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 15:08:31 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971012160417.0075af94@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 16:04:17 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: The switch was Re: PMOD Test Comments part 2 In-Reply-To: <199710121950.MAA26251@mail1.halcyon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"bcrLo2.0.sG3.UfKGq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1292 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Fred, all... At 12:59 10/12/97 -0700, Fred wrote: >It seems that it would behoove us Teppites to get off of MOSFETs and find >some sort of Photo switch or relay that can run at these freqs, pulse >widths, etc. Do you have any suggestions, Jack? I will do a web search in >the meantime... I know I'll sound like a neo-Luddite for suggesting this but... Find a nice, old, mercury-wetted relay...preferably one of those C.P. Claire models that use an octal base socket . They are the closest thing to an ideal switch that you're likely to find. They'll run at a few hundred Hz, to a couple of KHz, switching large impulses, like discharging and charging coaxial lines....like forever! And the switching times can be in the oh, say, sub 100 picosecond neighborhood. I have a commercial impulse generator that is 50 years old and the relay is still as new If you need high repetition rates, a more complicated mosfet arraignment, a sort of synthetic thyristor, will work, but the transition times are around 20 to 50 nS. I'll post schematic for that device later in the week. Best Regards, JD --------------------------------------------------------------- "Our frightful gods have only changed their names-now they rhyme with "ism."" -Jung mules@palacenet.net --------------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 12 15:13:29 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id PAA14656; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 15:12:59 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 15:12:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <34414900.3B99E0AA@ctv.es> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 00:02:40 +0200 From: Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga Reply-To: vramos@ctv.es X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Greg Watson , freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Free Energy Story X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"J1TZc2.0.ta3.ejKGq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1293 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi, Greg and all. I agree your intention to share your advances in the Free Energy area. Looking backward (the classic devices) obtain Free Energy seems more difficult in a principle. You (and Jean, Fred and a lot of people, including the reporters) are making a good job. The really question is... Can be obtained free energy with some of classical devices? Free energy can't been obtained by anybody until this date? (You claim your devices work). Is very difficult to understand classic devices give a lot of Kw, and actual researchs not go up than a few mW. Then, only can be three answers: 1. Free Energy can't be tapped until this date. 2. We are in a wrong direction (I don't belive Moray, Tesla, Hubbard, Hendershot, Coler, Mathernita builder, etc used a extremely complicated circuits to obtain a lot of Kw with relatively little generators.) 3. All is a fraud, only created by a few scientists or inventors to earn a lot of money writting books.(I don't want belive this). Can you tell me if you belive if some of classic devices will work?. All comments are wellcomed. Vicente. -- Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga E-mail: vramos@ctv.es Home Page: http://www.ctv.es/USERS/vramos/home.htm Burriana (Castellon) SPAIN From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 12 15:15:42 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id PAA16420; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 15:15:19 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 15:15:19 -0700 Message-ID: <34414B56.14EF9726@microtronics.com.au> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 07:42:38 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List Server Freenrg CC: List Server Vortex Subject: PMOD Tests (Drive device) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ZDfAh2.0.804.plKGq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1294 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi All, The waveform I have drawn on my site is what I see when I do the Ferrite Critical Response Test. I use a BU2508A transistor to drive the coil. This device is designed to drive EHT / Deflection systems in Monitors & TVs. It needs a lot of base drive current to turn on QUICKLY, which makes it harder to use than a fet, but it is designed for this type of role. It also doesn't have an internal reverse damping diode. I will try a Fet today, but I don't believe the parasitic cap in the fet will give the waveform shown. The internal protection diode could be a worry as most of then have slow turn off times. The waveform shows NO reduction in current flow as the fet is switched off. It actually continues to increase at the SAME rate. This is not right. You MUST use the ground connection on the scope probe and make everything as short as possible to get clean images. We are looking at very fast events here. I use a 0.1 ohm wire resistor bent into a loop. I gently solder the coil side of the resistor directly to the earth ring around the tip of the probe and do likewise to the probe's active tip. I use the probe on 10x and let the scopes amps do the work of bringing up the signals level. I also use DC coupling as AC coupling can cause variations in the baseline over the sweep. With the proper set-up, you will get a waveform like that shown on my site. When we get there, we can take the next step and tune the drive pulse width to the Ferrite's Critical Response Time. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 12 18:03:06 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id SAA20426; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 18:02:35 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 18:02:35 -0700 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 17:48:26 -0700 Subject: Obolensky & Mercury Pulser Message-ID: <19971012.174844.14118.2.tv@juno.com> References: <199710121950.MAA26251@mail1.halcyon.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-4,6-10,12-13,15-20 From: tv@juno.com (Tim D Vaughan) Resent-Message-ID: <"fyFCN.0.3_4.gCNGq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1296 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Fred, Alex Guy Obolensky used CP Claire mercury wetted relays in his superluminal experiments that he demonstrated at a conference I attended. He used them because of the very fast rise times. Mercury has a positive miniscus so it always forms a smooth surface to minimize charge concentrations. Tim Vaughan ( tv@juno.com ) On Sun, 12 Oct 1997 12:59:12 -0700 "Fred Epps" writes: >It seems that it would behoove us Teppites to get off of MOSFETs and >find some sort of Photo switch or relay that can run at these freqs, pulse >widths, etc. Do you have any suggestions, Jack? I will do a web >search in the meantime... > >Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 12 18:03:11 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id SAA20393; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 18:02:29 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 18:02:29 -0700 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 17:28:44 -0700 Subject: Re: www.overunity.de updated ! Message-ID: <19971012.174844.14118.1.tv@juno.com> References: <19971012161916.15fbe729.in@pop3.vossnet.de> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-8,10-25 From: tv@juno.com (Tim D Vaughan) Resent-Message-ID: <"rKYza2.0.Y-4.aCNGq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1295 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Greetings Stefan, Thank you for the fine work you have been doing by posting all of this information on the web. I know how much work it is ! Tim Vaughan ( tv@juno.com ) On Sun, 12 Oct 1997 16:19:16 +0100 harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) writes: >Hi, >you will now always find the latest updates in my: >http://www.overunity.de/update.htm > >Regards, Stefan. > > >-- >Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann >Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany >Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 >email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 12 18:37:00 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id SAA28651; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 18:36:37 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 18:36:37 -0700 X-Sender: leoguitar@mail.vossnet.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, newman-l@emachine.com From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: www.overunity.de updated again on the 13th ! Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 03:36:43 +0100 Message-Id: <19971013033643.1868225f.in@pop3.vossnet.de> Resent-Message-ID: <"tyY4y.0.a_6.aiNGq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1297 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi, you will now always find the latest updates in my: http://www.overunity.de/update.htm page ! Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 12 18:37:05 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id SAA28668; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 18:36:39 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 18:36:39 -0700 X-Sender: leoguitar@mail.vossnet.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Re: www.overunity.de updated ! Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 03:35:54 +0100 Message-Id: <19971013033554.18676184.in@pop3.vossnet.de> Resent-Message-ID: <"fNzXJ2.0.l_6.biNGq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1298 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 17:28 12.10.1997 -0700, freenrg-l@eskimo.com wrote: >Greetings Stefan, > >Thank you for the fine work you have been doing by posting all of this >information >on the web. I know how much work it is ! > Yes, thanks! I just updated it again ! Have a look ! Regards, Stefan. > -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 12 20:02:45 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id UAA03904; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 20:01:52 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 20:01:52 -0700 X-Sender: richarda@mailhub.icx.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <971012062048_660440138@emout13.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 23:03:04 -0400 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Richard Austin Subject: Re: PMOD - Tests passed. Resent-Message-ID: <"FXoSw.0.vy.VyOGq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1299 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >Hi Greg and all, > >You will find in my web site, my first test report about the Greg Watson's >PMOD device at : > > http://members.aol.com/overunity2/html/pmod.htm > >1) I have used a 0.8 ohm resistive straight wire. >2) the leads are shortest as possible, > >I have also tested the PMOD V1.2 with a magnetic field, when I put a stack of >magnets, N pole oriented towards the center of the ferrite rod the signal is >magnified. According to Cater "Awesome Life Force" the ideal point to operate such as device is to magnetically bias the system at the point where the hysteresis curve is going most vertical. i.e. where the smallest drive current creates the most domain alignments. > >I look forward to receive your comments soon, > >Sincerely, > >( This mail has been sent at 10h21 GMT on 12 October 97 ) > >Jean-Louis Naudin ( France / GMT+2 ) >Email : JNaudin509@aol.com >my Overunity WEB Server : http://members.aol.com/JNaudin509/ Richard Austin -- email: richarda@icx.net -- radio: KG7SU Check out the Institute for Planetary Renewal at http://user.icx.net/~richarda From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 12 20:38:18 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id UAA14921; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 20:37:40 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 20:37:40 -0700 (PDT) From: tjb@hemp.co.nz Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 16:40:58 +1300 Message-Id: <199710130340.QAA23252@smurfy.gen.nz> X-Sender: jinshan1@pop.ihug.co.nz X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Commentary on the Death of Bruce dePalma (by Toby Grotz) Resent-Message-ID: <"AnhMg3.0.1f3._TPGq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1300 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: A "little man" in the terminology of Wilhelm Reich is easily spotted. Both the author (Toby Grotz) and poster (Patrick Bailey) of the "Commentary on the Death of Bruce dePalma" message fit the description only too well. My evidence is the fact of the writing and the posting... >Date sent: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 15:22:54 -0700 >From: pgb@padrak.com (Patrick Bailey) >To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >Subject: Commentary on the Death of Bruce dePalma (by Toby >Grotz) > >Commentary on the Death of Bruce dePalma >By Toby Grotz >Oct. 10, 1997 > >Total truth is necessary. >You must live by what you say. >Men will hate you for telling the truth. >They will call you names. They may even kill you, >but you must always tell the truth. >If you live in truth, God will always stand with you > > - Neem Karoli Baba "What is the hardest thing to see? That which is before your very eyes" - paraphrased from Goethe This phrase is much more appropriate here. When people resort to slanderous details about a person's personal habits (whether or not correct, and especially right after their death), it is hard to believe that they have the slightest inkling of what truth really is. When they engage in attacks on people rightfully reacting to offensive phone calls during periods of grief, and then provide distored versions including private addresses posted to the world on the internet, they present themselves as very low class and uncultured. So much for the "free energy" researches supported by Grotz, Baily and the INE. They have shown their true colours here, and I seriously doubt God is standing with them! >I heard that Bruce dePalma had crossed over from Paramahamsa Tewari. >Tewari told me that dePalma had bleed to death internally. This was >not a surprise considering the condition that I had seen Bruce in when >I visited him in December of 1993. Bruce began each day upon arising, >some time before noon, with fine wine mixed with sparkling water. >Years of alcohol and substance abuse finally took its toll. One can really see the crocodile tears in "Tabloid Toby's" eyes about Bruce dePalma's death. He appears like a carrion bird trying to schmooze into a situation where he was patently unwanted for his pettiness and slanderous and gossipy nature, a nature so vividly expressed via his post. DePalma was a great scientist, a gentleman and scholar in the truest sense of the words. He was also very human like the rest of us. He didn't have the time for dilettantes like Toby Grotz, and had expressed to me his displeasure with the broken confidences Toby exhibited after visiting Bruce in NZ several years back. My own experience with Toby goes back into the 80's. I remember well a Global Sciences conference in 1988 where Toby told me he would "prove us wrong" concerning the Tesla experiments being done by Eric Dollard at Borderland Labs. I pointed out that we were doing pure science, had the results on video, and were willing to show anyone how to reproduce the work. Our work confirmed exactly what Tesla said, and wasn't full of the "commie scalar waves" types of ooga booga that the misinformed and misdirected liked to fall for in those days (and unfortunately still do!). Toby still insisted he would "prove us wrong". Well, it's almost 10 years later, Dollard's experiments stand, and function today as they did then (ground wave longitudinal transmissions, etc), and Toby hasn't even shown himself capable of the basic science necessary to evaluate such experiments, despite his posturing and pretending to be in such a position. Toby then, a few years later, tried to get myself and Peter Lindemann as window dressing on a "steering committee" for the INE -- WELL AFTER the speakers had already been picked (none of them from the "Borderland camp" because we were outspoken in condeming false claims and questionable presenters, and were actually producing experimental results counter to the popular thought streams in the field). We naturally declined as it was obvious we were just supposed to be dumb and happy at free hotel rooms at the expense of Toby's shadowy benefactor, and all "steering" was obviously being done behind the scenes well out of our reach. While Toby goes to great lengths to make sure DePalma's lifestyle and work is belittled (again as clearly expressed in his post) he wants us all to believe that he and his group have some sort of insiders track to free energy. I don't see anything there other than a tower of Babel, with a few honest and sincere folk sucked in and mixed with the "true believer types" and other oddly mixed assortments of characters. There is no functional basis for understanding energy advancements, merely a hodge-podge of everyone's quirky test results. In defence of dePalma's work, which often comes under fire from those who don't understand the basic principles being exhibited (or even know of the full range of experimentation and accomplishment of the man). I have seen public demonstrations of over-efficiency generators (Lindemann's variable reluctance at 143% - with proper measurements and independent engineers checking and verifying), but always felt that over-efficiency wasn't over-unity. I discussed this with DePalma and he said further scientific work would show it to be true, and I knew that he had the capacity to do the research necessary -- and I anxiously awaited for said result. The fact that the N-machine shows over-efficiency (213% on Tewari's last video) shows clearly that the efficiency equations fail to operate properly under specific arrangements of materials. Whether or not over-unity could be developed from such an arrangment is a matter for science, and DePalma was capable of real science. I know accomplished electrical engineers (who shall remain unnamed) who agree with dePalma and feel the loop can be closed. It is all a matter for science, not Toby Grotz's petty and skewed morality tales. But dePalma's work ranges far beyond the N-machine. His spinning ball bearing experiment overturns the equivalence principle (or should we say doctrine), which is a pillar of the General Theory of Relativity. If that were all he did he would rank above Newton and Einstein, which he does to those who understand the implications. In fact the whole range of dePalma's rotating mass experiments lead to a much needed new view of inertia in physics. I have done over 25 live radio shows with Bruce and have had many world-class discussions on science and philosophy both on air and privately. He was a great thinker who did his homework, and was open to new ideas. He could also stand his ground well. He was aware of and interested in Kevran, Hauschka, Reich and other true scientific pioneers, and I saw Bruce's viewpoints change as he continued to grow and learn. I certainly will miss him as a friend, and also because a world class conversationalist of his calibre is impossible to replace. And to have him living up the road from me after moving to New Zealand was a gift... >I had wanted to ask Bruce a question before he died, but my last >letter sent to him had come back "address unknown". You should have taken the message, Toby! You were obviously not on the list to be informed of current projects. It's hardly worth quoting and rebutting the rest of "Tabloid Toby's" uncouth and low-grade ramblings, those who have read it on this list who have any cogitational capacity and sense of class can see the man for what he is. My only further comment is that I'm surprised that he was given the time of day on his phone call to the dePalma Institute, and wasn't just hung up on like he deserved. I realise that this sort of posting will get lesser folk all hopped up and make me a target of puny thought waves. I am not a member of this list, and wouldn't want to be, Grotz's slimy spewings being the first posting forwarded to me from it. (I did have to subscribe to post this) I can't believe that anyone would give their time and energy to a list that allows attacks on people grieving over lost friends. Such low grade scoundrels should be cast from the pack, never to show their faces or email addresses again. For the sake of those who don't know who I am, I was director of Borderland Sciences and editor of The Journal of Borderland Research (now "Borderlands") from 1985 to 1995, and in that time promoted the works of Eric Dollard (longitudinal electricty) and Trevor Constable (etheric weather engineering) among many others. We presented all this work against the experimental background of Goethe's prismatic experiments and Steiner's etheric forces. We lived by Trevor's motto "only results count". I no longer have any "official" contact with the alternative research field, but am always interested in real science, especially the extraordinary type. I don't have time to suffer fools, and you all shouldn't either. But I always have time to defend my friends. Thank you. Cheers, Thomas Brown tjb@hemp.co.nz From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 12 21:01:29 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id VAA16320; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 21:00:57 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 21:00:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710130400.VAA03235@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: The switch was Re: PMOD Test Comments part 2 Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 20:14:18 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"p7bBt3.0.u-3.spPGq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1301 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Jack! > > I know I'll sound like a neo-Luddite for suggesting this but... > > Find a nice, old, mercury-wetted relay...preferably one of those > C.P. Claire models that use an octal base socket . > They are the closest thing to an ideal switch that you're likely to > find. They'll run at a few hundred Hz, to a couple of KHz, switching > large impulses, like discharging and charging coaxial lines....like forever! > And the switching times can be in the oh, say, sub 100 picosecond > neighborhood. > I have a commercial impulse generator that is 50 years old and the relay is > still as new Yes, Tim Vaughan suggested the same thing. Sounds real good, Jean-louis used a reed relay in the parametric test he did recently, at http://members.aol.com/overunity4/html/tep62par.htm Are the reed relays inferior because of slower switching times and shorter switch lifetime? > > If you need high repetition rates, a more complicated mosfet arraignment, > a sort of synthetic thyristor, will work, but the transition times are > around 20 to 50 nS. I'll post schematic for that device later in the week. > Thanks, would like to see it! Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 12 21:57:52 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id VAA02662; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 21:54:40 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 21:54:40 -0700 Message-ID: <3441A91E.2A608A81@microtronics.com.au> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 14:22:46 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List Server Freenrg CC: List Server Vortex Subject: PMOD Ferrite Critical Response Test Rig Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"3SNeG1.0.Lf.EcQGq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1302 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: HI All, I have updated my site with more info on the PMOD. The circuit I have posted is from my PMOD research notebook. I have updated it with a better fet and drive circuit. I am going into town to buy the bits now. Will post hand drawn current waveforms in about 6 hours. The circuit should be very easy to duplicate. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 12 22:57:35 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id WAA12379; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 22:57:04 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 22:57:04 -0700 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Cc: gwatson@microtronics.com.au Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 22:41:25 -0700 Subject: FERRITES for PMOD experiments Message-ID: <19971012.224129.3446.0.tv@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-6,8-11,13-22,24,26,28-30,32,34-36,38,40-42,44,46, 48-49,51,53,55-56,58-60,62,64-71,73-78,80,82,84,86-87,89-91, 93-95,97-99,101-102,104,106-107,109,111-113,115,117-119,121-123, 125-127,129,131-133,135-137,139,141-142,144,146,148,150-152, 154-156,158,160,162-164,166-168,170,172-174,176-180 From: tv@juno.com (Tim D Vaughan) Resent-Message-ID: <"JmCdM2.0.K13.lWRGq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1303 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hello Greg and Fellow Magnetics Researchers, An excellant company for ferrites is AMIDON , Inc. Santa Ana, CA 92799 Tel: (714) 850-4660 FAX: (714) 850-1163 They make good stuff, well liked by radio amatuers for radio and antenna projects. Greg which of the ferrites below is most like the MnZn Ferrite ( 3C80 ) that you have been using ? Here is some infornation from the catalog I scanned in: Tim Vaughan ( tv@juno.com ) ==== FROM AMIDON CATALOG ==== Ferrite Cores are available in numerous sizes and several permeabilities. Their permeability range is from 20 to more than 15,000. They are very useful for resonant circuit applications as well as wideband transformers and they are also commonly used for RFI attenuation. We can supply sizes from 0.23 inches to 2.4 inches in outer d ia meter directly from stock. Ferrite toroidal cores are well suited for a variety of RF circuit applications and their relatively high permeability factors make them especially useful for high inductance values with a minimum number of turns, resulting in smaller component size. There are two basic ferrite material groups: (1) Those having a permeability range from 20 to 800 mu-i are of the Nickel Zinc class, and (2) those having permeabilities above 800 mu-i are usually of the Manganese Zinc class. The NickelZinc ferrite cores exhibit high volume resistivity, moderate temperature stability and high 'Q' factors for the 500 KHz to 100 MHz frequency range. They are well suited for low power, high inductance resonant circuits. Their low permeability factors make them useful for wide band transformer applications as well. The Manganese Zinc fe rrites, having permeabilities above 800 mu-i, have fairly low volume resistivity and moderate saturation flux density. They can offer high 'Q' factors for the 1 KHz to 1 MHz frequency range. Cores from this group of materials are widely used for switched mode power conversion transformers operating in the 20 KHz to 100 KHz frequency range. These cores are also very useful for the attenuation of unwanted RF noise signals in the frequency range of 20 MHz to 400 MHz and above. A list of Ferrite toroids, including physical dimensions, inductance index values, and magnetic properties will be found on the next few pages. Use the given inductance index value and the equation below to calculate a turn count for a specific inductance. N = 1000 x ( (desired 'L' (mh)) / (inductance index) ) L (mh) = ( ( inductance index x N^2 ) / 1,000,000 ) inductive index ( mh/1000 turns ) = ( 1,000,000 x 'L' (mh) ) / ( N ^ 2 ) ) N = number of turns L = inductance ( mh ) To improve voltage breakdown, coatings of ferrite cores are available for the F, J, W and H materials. Typical coatings are parylene C, Gray Coating and Black Lacquer. Parylene C coating has a thickness of 0.5 mils to 2 mils with a voltage breakdown of 750V. Gray coating has a thickness of 4 mils to 8 mils with voltage breakdown of 500V. Black Lacquer coating has a thickness of 0.5 mils to 2 mils with no increase in voltage breakdown. All items in this booklet are standard stock items and usually can be shipped immediately. Call for availability of non-stock items. For standard stocking items of Inductors, Chokes, Transformers and other wound ferrites, please see section V. For custom design of Inductors. Chokes. Transformers or Special Coil Windings. please call ol fax your specifications today. Amidon provides engineering designs, prototyping and manufacturing. I ow to high volume production capability with the most competitive pricing. MATERIAL 33 (mu = 850) A manganese-zinc material having low volume resistivity. Used for low frequency antennas in the 1 KHz to 1 MHz frequency range. Available in rod form only. MATERIAL 43 (mu = 850) High volume resistivity. For medium frequency inductors and wideband transformers up to 50 MHz. Optimum frequency attenuation from 40 MHz to 400 MHz. Available in toroidal cores, shield beads, multi-aperture cores and special shapes for RFI suppression. MATERIAL 61 (mu= 125) Offers moderate temperature stability and high 'Q' for frequencies 0.2 MHz to 15. MHz. Useful for wideband transformers to 200 MHz and frequency attenuation above 200 MHz. Available in toroids, rods, bobbins and multi-aperture cores. MATERIAL 63 (mu = 40) For high 'Q' inductors in the 15 MHz to 25 MHz frequency range. Available in toroidal form only. MATERIAL 64 (mu = 250) Primarily a bead material having high volume resistivity. Excellent temperature stability and very good shielding properties above 400 MHz. MATERIAL 67 (mu = 40) Similar to the 63 material. Has greater saturation flux density and very good temperature stability. For high 'Q' inductors, (10 MHz to 80 Mhz). Wideband transformers to 200 MHz. Toroids only. MATERIAL 68 (mu = 20) High volume resistivity and excellent temperature stability. For high Q' resonant circuits 80 MHz to 180 MHz. For high frequency inductors. Toroids only. MATERIAL 73 (mu = 2500) Primarily a ferrite bead material. Has good attenuation properties from 1 MHz through 50 MHz. Available in beads and some broadband multi-aperture cores. MATERIAL 77 (mu = 2000) Has high saturation flux density at high temperature. Low core loss in the 1 KHz to 1 MHz range. For low level power conversion and wideband transformers. Extensively used for frequency attenuation from 0.5 MHz to 50 MHz. Available in toroids, pot cores, E-cores, beads, broadband balun cores and sleeves. An upgrade of the former 72 material. The 72 material is still available in some sizes, but the 77 material should be used in all new design. MATERIAL 'F' (mu = 3000) High saturation flux density at high temperature. For power conversion transformers. Good frequency attenuation 0.5 MHz to 50 MHz. Toroids only. NIATERIAL 'J'/75 (mu = 5000) Low volume resistivity and low core loss from 1 KHz to 1 MHz. Used for pulse transformers and low level wideband transformers. Excellent frequency attenuation from 0.5 MHz to 20 MHz. Available in toroidal form and ferrite beads as standard off the shelf in stock. Also available in pot cores, RM cores, E & U cores as custom ordered parts with lead time for delivery. MATERIAL K (mu = 290). Used primarily in transmission line transformers from 1.0 MHz to 50 MHz range. Available from stock in a few sizes in toroidal form only. MATERIAL W (mu 10,000). High permeability material used for frequency attenuation from 100 KHz to 1 MHz in EMI/RFI filters. Also used in broadband transformers. Available in toroidal form from stock. As custom ordered parts for pot cores, EP cores, RM cores. MATERIAL H (mu = 15,000). High permeability material used for frequency attenuation under 200 KHz. Also used in broadband transformers. Available in toroidal form only. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 12 23:19:41 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id XAA17177; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 23:19:26 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 23:19:26 -0700 Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 23:19:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710130619.XAA07567@germany.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: PMOD Test Comments part 2 Resent-Message-ID: <"8zpzt3.0.DC4.jrRGq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1304 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Greg and all, Today I tried my first version of a PMOD. I wired a 1) MOSFET, driven by a 74121 mono-vibrator. 2) Supply bypass capacitor, connected to 6 volts. 3) Coil, 16 turns 1.7cm diam, 1cm length, measured 5uH in air. 4) 0.4 Ohm NI resistor (1cm of resistance wire) together as the edges of a 3cm square. The mosfet limited the current to 1A by its conductance with only a 5 Volt gate input. (no coil) With a air core coil, got a +pulse which was limited by the MOSFET before 100nS,but < 1 Amp. Input pulse widths varied from about <0.1 to 1uS. The minimum pulse was with a 50pF cap. and 1.5k resistor for the 74121 timing. When the gate pulse ended, got a neg. pulse across the R, amplitude proportional to pulse width, then ringing at about 12MHz, as Jack DeMule described. With a ferrite rod (AM radio) antenna, the linear increase in current could be seen, possibly vith very small Barkhausen variations, >20mHz. the effects Greg described were before the first 100nS and 0.1 volt (0.25Amp) SORRY, my oscilloscope is only 15mHz and the fastest trace is 0.5uS/cm. There is still the neg. inductive pulse, then ringing, more damped that the air case. Using switching ferrite, a closed loop with magnetic length 30cm, the amplitude is too small to see, so cannot resolve the first non-ferrite pulse, reversal, etc. So it happened within the first 50 or so nS, not afterward. With the core not completely closed, a waveform like the ferrite rod can be seen, but decrasing in amplitude and disappearing as the ferrite gaps are closed. Because of this limitation, did not look at the output of another coil on the other ferrite leg. > >Hope you find the problem causing current to flow outside the Fet on >time. > My conclusion: faster equipment than what I have is needed to see the PMOD effect. What I could see is the initial, then back EMP pulse, then resonant ringing. -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 13 00:01:01 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id AAA27197; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 00:00:25 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 00:00:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3441C6BE.A3F26F48@microtronics.com.au> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 16:29:10 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: List Server Vortex Subject: Re: PMOD Test Comments part 2 References: <199710130619.XAA07567@germany.it.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ERQqs.0.qe6.4SSGq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1305 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dave Dameron wrote: > > Hi Greg and all, > Today I tried my first version of a PMOD. I wired a > 1) MOSFET, driven by a 74121 mono-vibrator. I am using a IRF510 device. Its rated at 200V, 4A, 20/20Ns turn on/off. Should do the job. You could do with a better gate drive system. We need the fet really turned on and off fast. To do this requires a lot of source and sink from the driver to charge / discharge the fet's gate cap. > 2) Supply bypass capacitor, connected to 6 volts. Use only high freq decoupling caps. I use 5 x 0.1uf monolithic as use on most computer mother boards and a 10uf tant thrown in for good measure. > 3) Coil, 16 turns 1.7cm diam, 1cm length, measured 5uH in air. Sound about right. > 4) 0.4 Ohm NI resistor (1cm of resistance wire) OK, Could be smaller. Less observer effect. > together as the edges of a 3cm square. Good. > The mosfet limited the current to 1A by its conductance with only a 5 Volt > gate input. (no coil) > With a air core coil, got a +pulse which was limited by the MOSFET before > 100nS,but < 1 Amp. > Input pulse widths varied from about <0.1 to 1uS. The minimum pulse was with > a 50pF cap. and 1.5k resistor for the 74121 timing. When the gate pulse > ended, got a neg. pulse across the R, amplitude proportional to pulse width, > then ringing at about 12MHz, as Jack DeMule described. > > With a ferrite rod (AM radio) antenna, the linear increase in current could > be seen, possibly vith very small Barkhausen variations, >20mHz. There are fast, but there. I use 10/20Ns / div most of the time. > the effects Greg described were before the first 100nS and 0.1 volt (0.25Amp) > SORRY, my oscilloscope is only 15mHz and the fastest trace is 0.5uS/cm. > There is still the neg. inductive pulse, then ringing, more damped that the > air case. > Using switching ferrite, a closed loop with magnetic length 30cm, the > amplitude is too small to see, so cannot resolve the first non-ferrite > pulse, reversal, etc. So it happened within the first 50 or so nS, not > afterward. Be careful. You need a air gap in the mag circuit or the flux may staircase (keep increasing with each H pulse until the ferrite is saturated). We want the ferrite to start out at the BOTTOM of its B/H curve. > With the core not completely closed, a waveform like the ferrite rod can be > seen, but decrasing in amplitude and disappearing as the ferrite gaps are > closed. Because of this limitation, did not look at the output of another > coil on the other ferrite leg. Correct. A air gap is needed to allow the domains to return to their unaligned state prior to the next (H) current pulse. > >Hope you find the problem causing current to flow outside the Fet on time. Believe the protection diode conducts with the first large negative pulse. If its slow to turn off, it will continue to conduct for some time. IF this happens to you, reduce the supply voltage until the reverse conduction stops and then observe the current waveform and reduce the coil drive pulse width to stop at the top of the first positive current pulse. You can then increase supply voltage without getting a large back Emf pulse into the fet. The back Emf will still be there, but as the fet is turned off its not so much a problem. > My conclusion: faster equipment than what I have is needed to see the PMOD > effect. What I could see is the initial, then back EMP pulse, then resonant > ringing. Believe 50Mhz scope with GOOD x10 probes will do. > -Dave Hi Dave, Good work. Check out the Ferrite Critical Response Test Rig on the PMOD page. I am building the circuit as per my instructions so we can do this by the numbers and get it right. No Magic, just engineering. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 13 01:02:37 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id BAA01331; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 01:02:14 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 01:02:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3441D526.9D1767F3@microtronics.com.au> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 17:30:38 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List Server Freenrg CC: List Server Vortex Subject: PMOD and Light Speed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"bRUei3.0.hK.2MTGq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1306 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: HI All, Jean-Louis just sent me a cleaned up circuit. I did a few mods and now the world can see it. How did we work and develop things before the net? Should have my replication working in a few hours. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 13 01:57:01 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id BAA03235; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 01:56:39 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 01:56:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 20:39:59 +1000 Message-Id: <199710131039.UAA22185@main.murray.net.au> X-Sender: egel@main.murray.net.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Geoff Egel Subject: Re:Reprint of some old electrostatic experiments. Resent-Message-ID: <"PaXv11.0.So.59UGq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1307 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Have added an article(s) on some early this century electrostatic experiments by original experimenters might be of interest to those trying research in electrostatics http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135/electro.htm home page http://www2.murray.net.au/users/egel http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135/ Geoff From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 13 03:24:28 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id DAA06992; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 03:22:01 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 03:22:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710131021.DAA27751@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: "vortex" , "Free Energy" Subject: A switching anomaly? Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 02:48:55 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"gAXps1.0.8j1.3PVGq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1309 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Folks! I would be interested in anyone's explanation of the waveform shown on Jean-louis's website at http://members.aol.com/overunity4/html/tep62par.htm You will note that a reed switch is used to switch an inductance in and out of the tank circuit. The tank develops a small sine voltage in the mV, even though the conditions for parametric excitation are not fulfilled, there is no source of EMF, and there is no induction. Dave Dameron has seen exactly the same phenomenon in a bifilar air core switched by an analog switch. Others have seen it as well. Is it an artifact, some sort of energy transfer from the switch? Of what sort? Thanks for your help! Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 13 03:24:28 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id DAA06979; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 03:22:00 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 03:22:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710131021.DAA27812@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: "Free Energy" , Subject: Re: Free Energy Story Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 02:39:43 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"EWEt41.0.vi1.2PVGq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1308 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Vicente! > > I agree your intention to share your advances in the Free Energy area. > Looking backward (the classic devices) obtain Free Energy seems more > difficult in a principle. > You (and Jean, Fred and a lot of people, including the reporters) are > making a good job. > The really question is... > Can be obtained free energy with some of classical devices? The classic devices are classic becasue there is some substnce whether historical or techincal that keeps them in the public eye. Many other ideas have fallen away but these same ones come up over and over. Why? Becasue there is some technical substance to them, and because they have become myth. >From most (known) technical substance to most mythical they range (approximately): Coler Hendershot Baumann (Meternitha) Hubbard Moray Tesla > Free energy can't been obtained by anybody until this date? (You claim > your devices work). The TEP people as a group have not claimed overunity. I think everyone now wants less claims and more replicable experiments. > Is very difficult to understand classic devices give a lot of Kw, and > actual researchs not go up than a few mW. > Then, only can be three answers: > > 1. Free Energy can't be tapped until this date. It seems likely to me that all of the devices you list worked. Tesla as far as I know has no demonstrated free energy device. The Tesla car is semi-mythical. > > 2. We are in a wrong direction (I don't belive Moray, Tesla, Hubbard, > Hendershot, Coler, Mathernita builder, etc used a extremely complicated > circuits to obtain a lot of Kw with relatively little generators.) It may well be, but it seems that many people have spent years trying to replicate these devices with inadequate information and have been unsuccessful. I think there is some consensus moving toward the idea of doing relatively basic experiments and seeing if there has been anything overlooked by the progress of science, that might then be used to explain these machines, or to build new ones. Ultimately, it is better to have new additions to science however small that are real and demonstrable than have one machine somewhere that can do amazing things that few see, only the inventor understands, and no one can duplicate. Besides, these circuits are not extremely complicated, they are in fact less complicated than the classic devices you refer to. They might seem more complicated because people are actually talking about what they are trying to do and struggling with real issues instead of engaging in fanciful mythologizing of What The Great Men Did. > > 3. All is a fraud, only created by a few scientists or inventors to earn > a lot of money writting books.(I don't want belive this). > Can you tell me if you belive if some of classic devices will work?. > > All comments are wellcomed. Any good con artist could have made more money than all of these inventors put together. The fact is, these devices worked, evey one of them, and the fact that many people do not believe it does not change that. The historical record is incontrovertible. But of what use is that, when we cannot duplicate them? > > Can you tell me if you believe if some of classic devices will work?. They DID work, but past is past, there is no going back. This past is closed to us primarily because of the inventors themselves, who did not share their work. We have learned the lesson from that. Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 13 06:21:29 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id GAA11221; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 06:20:50 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 06:20:50 -0700 X-Sender: leoguitar@mail.vossnet.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, newman-l@emachine.com From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: www.overunity.de updated 2nd time on the 13th ! Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 14:59:36 +0100 Message-Id: <19971013145936.1ad954e7.in@pop3.vossnet.de> Resent-Message-ID: <"kbJQp3.0.El2.n0YGq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1310 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi, it is getting hot with the PMOD research ! http://www.overunity.de/update.htm Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 13 06:21:31 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id GAA11243; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 06:20:54 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 06:20:54 -0700 X-Sender: leoguitar@mail.vossnet.de (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Dave Dameron , JNaudin509@aol.com, fepps@halcyon.com, srae@mlb.planet.gen.nz, mrandall@earthlink.net, vramos@ctv.es, BAUER_D@fhi-berlin.mpg.de From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Re: parametric bifilar LC circuit excitation test Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, newman-l@emachine.com Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 14:55:08 +0100 Message-Id: <19971013145508.1ad53e70.in@pop3.vossnet.de> Resent-Message-ID: <"Af7vb1.0.al2.r0YGq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1311 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 23:19 12.10.1997 -0700, Dave Dameron wrote: >Today I tried my large bifilar coil: >2X55 turns #22AWG on a 31 cm diam form. in a simple "parametric" circuit. >One coil in parallel with a 10nF capacitor. The other in series with a 4066 >analog switch, all 4 sections in parallel: > > ------------- > | O. O. > | O L1 O L2 >--- O O >---C O O > | O O > --------SW--- > 4066 > >Calculated parallel resonance of the C with one coil : 40kHz. Each coil 1.3mH. >Measured resonance output (scope probe across C) : 37kHz. >Maximum output occurs when the switch pulse edges line up with the sine wave >output "zero crossings" - 100mV peak-peak, the "pump" pulses also 37kHz. >The phase and amplitude of the output varies as a strong function of the I/P >frequency. Saw 37kHz outputs at inputs of >37/2 kHz ~60mV p-p. >37/3 kHz ~40mV p-p >37/4 kHz ~20mV p-p. >At lower frequencies there was a slight output, but could not separate >these. Cannot resolve amplitudes below 10mV. >Sorry, FRED, there was NO output with a input of 37*2kHz! I looked carefully :-) > >The output was a sine wave, and may be close to the harmonic components of >the input waveform, about a square wave. Being a resonant circuit, it >"tuned" the 37kHz component in the "input". I could see clock "glitches" in >the output, but don't think thay could cause it. The output amplitude >followed linearly the 555, 4066 supply voltage from 5 to 12 Volts. Any >comments on whether this is a true parametric output??? >-Dave > Hmm, hard to say... Indeed if you apply a higher supply voltage also the switching time gets faster as you also cross faster the on/off gate/source voltage, so it could be that you just see see a faster dL/dt and thus also get more output amplitude... Otherwise there are also many stray capacitance effects in the 4066, so it could be you just put in "switching power" via coupled stray capacitance... Thus I would favour a reed relay or mechanical switch. But then you have to build it all much bigger, cause you have to go to the Hz frequency range and not the Khz range ! Also you have to make sure the LC circuit can "ring" when you supply it with a pulse. Does it not ring with a few damped oscillations, then your circuit has many too much losses in ohmic resistance between the L and C components and it also will not work in parametric excitation mode ! Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 13 08:18:24 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id IAA23438; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 08:15:42 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 08:15:42 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971012214624.00a41430@bahnhof.se> X-Sender: david@bahnhof.se X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 20:46:24 +0100 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: David Jonsson Subject: Re: 3Q*v=I against Q*3v=I Cc: gravitics1@aol.com, bt@irfu.se In-Reply-To: <199710091620.SAA41140@sdn5.csc.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"e7HPc.0.xj5.SiZGq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1312 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 19:11 1997-10-09 DST, you wrote: > >>I am especially interested in a more detailed description of currents. To >>measure currents by I is not applicable in non-neutral conductors. Q and v >>has to be treated separately. >> >>Q >>Q -> Q ---> >>Q >> >>3Q*v=I Q*3v=I >> >>Case 1 Case 2 >> >>Both case 1 and case 2 produce the same current and the same magnetic field >>around themselves as seen from a stationary observer. However the two fields >>do not transform in the same way for a moving observer. Assume an observer >>moving with speed v to the right. He would detect no current or magnetic >>field from case 1, case 2 would be reduced by 1/3. > >You have to take into account the balancing charge in the wire. For a stationary >observer the balancing charge doesnt move and doesnt produce a magnetic field. >For an observer moving with speed v to the right, in case 1 a balancing charge >-3Q is now moving to the left with speed v, producing the same current and >magnetic field as seen by the stationary observer. In case 2 a balancing charge >-Q is moving to the left with speed v, producing the 1/3 of the stationary >current and magnetic field, which you were missing. You have not read what I wrote on line 2: "non-neutral conductors". I am not talking about a wire, you are. Your reasoning is applicable to neutral conductors which is usually the case. I made however an error on my last line. Switch case 1 with case 2 (corrected in this email). Do you agree that these fields require a special treatment and that they are non-relativistic? Someone must have analysed this before. Who? David From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 13 08:38:29 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id IAA25844; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 08:37:38 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 08:37:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: leoguitar@mail.vossnet.de (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, newman-l@emachine.com, gwatson@microtronics.com.au From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: PMOD still running ? Specs please. Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 17:34:04 +0100 Message-Id: <19971013173404.1b66bc75.in@pop3.vossnet.de> Resent-Message-ID: <"GSI3Q3.0.fJ6.y0aGq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1313 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Greg, as you claimed PMOD is already in selfrunning mode, I would like to ask a few questions: 1. For how long did you get it selfrunning in a cloosed loop ? Is it still running today ? What are you powering with it with the 78 mWatts ?Just a resistance or did you try an LED already ? 2. Does the ferrite core or the coil get cold after running for a while ? 3. Are there any biological side effects, e.g. your cat don=B4t want to sit near to it ? 4. Does the output change over time or is it constant 78 mWatts all day and night long ? Please let us all know. Thanks again. Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 13 08:53:22 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id IAA01859; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 08:52:53 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 08:52:53 -0700 Message-Id: <199710131552.MAA26506@bigbox.plug-in.com.br> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Marcelo Puhl" To: "Fred Epps" Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 13:52:37 -3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: switched parametric test Reply-to: mark@plug-in.com.br CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Priority: normal In-reply-to: <199710131021.DAA27762@mail1.halcyon.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Resent-Message-ID: <"wcaLN2.0.sS.JFaGq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1314 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > > > I got poorer results with the reed-switch. I tuned the traffo @ 70 Hz. > > On the secondary I only got spikes at 70 Hz .. > > Are these the kind of spikes you would see from an inductive switch > opening? No, they are more likely RC spikes. Maybe due to the internal resistance of the coil. > > > > > Do you think these results are real, or an artifact? > > > > Well, in my opinion the losses involved are equal or greater the > > scalar energy generated at switching the half-coil. > > Sounds like you have a scalar theory of what is happening. Could you > explain a little more? I do not think it is parametric anymore, I will send > you a new test from Dave Dameron, and my comments, such as they are. No, I haven't any. > also-- seems like the losses are exactly equal to the energy "generated", > since the waveform does not increase exponentially and does not die. > > > > We have another problem here : when you change the inductance of the > > circuit without changing the capacitance, you are changing the > > ressonant frequency at the same time. And the two coils are > > magnetically coupled, resulting on a more complex analysis. > > True, and I think the reason for the energy is in there, unfortunately. > It's beyond me mathematically, almost everything is except my checkbook :-) > but I can think of in terms of stretching and distorting time, which works > for me. It seems the oscilation doesn't occur due to the internal coil R. Maybe with a much bigger coil. > We still need to establish that the coils must be coupled. And what about > the capacitive version of the same circuit? No coupling there... Another hint : when you short one section of the coils, you are loading the other section. I doubt such a circuit oscilates. > > > > It seems to have lots of noise for me. > > The noise must be an artifact of the switch or your environment, Jean-louis > doesn't show it. Yes, it shows. Look his picture. I didn't get such a clean waveform without any external coupling or FET leakage. > > > > > The reed switch could be generating some EMI of its own, I suppose, but > the > > > same objection is there too-- the waveform is too perfect. > > > > At the mV levels involved, even a near computer makes the signal dirty. > > Wish I could see it. Is the zero crossing of the output wave at the switch > on and off times? Is the output going negative when the switch is going > off, and vice versa? Yes, I got a spike when the reed closes and another when it opens. > > > It would be interesting to eliminate L2 and see if the effect persists. > > > > Perhaps it is related only to switching an inductor. This may be, > because > > > the output does not conform to the parametric model in one respect, the > > > output frequency is the same as the input. It should be 1/2 the input > > > frequency. Of course a new cap must be substituted to see if maybe > there > > > IS an output at f/2 and Jean-louis just didn't check for it. He hasn't > > > resonded to my questions about this. > > > > I tried several capacitors, two different transformers, different > > frequencies, a bifilar coil with a ferrite core and two toroidal coils > > ( for your parametric transformer ). > > In all circuits the only output I got was at f, 2f, 3f and so on, but > never > > at f/2. > > This is exactly what Dave saw with an analog switch IC. Any particular > device show more amplitude? what sort of p-p voltages did you get with the > different situations? That switch leaks, too. The parametric transformer seems to get better results. But at f. > > > If you're still interested, let me know, and I will send you some > articles > > > and other posts about this research. > > > > Yes, I am. But first I would like to see this question about the > > output frequency enlightened. > > Yes, no point in sending parametric info which insists that output freq = > input freq is the hardest and least stable situation to maintain and f/2 is > the easiest. I have glimmers of wild ideas having to do with sympathetic > resonance and Schrodingers cat, information transfer with energy transfer, > etc, and I believe I am close to defining some other kinds of experiments > that might giveinteresting results, but I would REALY like to be sure that > there is NO energy transfer from the switch to the circuit. Maybe that circuit topology isn't adequate for demonstrating the effect. > How do you think that could be done? A reed switch seems to be close, > except for some slight inductive effect in the reed from the reed switching > magnet (I'm guessing how they work-- small solenoid pulls reeds apart?) The original idea seems to be ok. I guess the electrical model isn't. > The fact that the effect has now been seen with 2 reed switches, an analog > switch, an FET, and I think Dave tried a Mosfet seems to make it less > likely it is a switching artifact, but it could be different Kinds of > artifacts in each situation... > Inductive effect in reed switch > miller capacitance in the Mosfet > ?? in the FET > ?? in the analog switch Capacitance here. > Maybe a purely mechanical, totally nonferrous one-shot should be tried to > see if we get a pulse? Maybe a more detailed circuit analisys would be necessary. Anyone with PSPICE there ? > > What is your opinion on that BIPEG circuit ? I tried it and it oscilates > > > ok. Seems to be a good relaxation oscilator, with very low power > consuming. > > But how extract power from it without loading the oscilator ? > > They claims 236% eff on that circuit, but I'm in serious doubt about > this. > > Yes, me too. > > > > And what about the COLER device ? > > It worked... but its a long subject. Have you tried any of the experiments > that Coler describes in his paper? There are two in particular that stick > in my mind, but it's very late. Remind me to tell you my thoughts... > I haven't tried it, but after reading Mr. Haspden theories I became interested and will give the circuit a try. Regards, Marcelo From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 13 10:19:26 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id KAA28837; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 10:18:38 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 10:18:38 -0700 Message-Id: Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Frank C. Earl" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 12:23:27 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: radiactive saturn probe Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.42a) Resent-Message-ID: <"6R_jV2.0.K27.jVbGq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1315 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > Yeah, I got about half a dozen copies of that from DeMeo. I'm not > really sure what all the fuss is about. Wouldn't the plutonium, being > extremely heavy, tend to stay where it landed? The risk that they are referring to is that of an explosion that could possibly rupture the atomic pile that has the plutonium. If there was an explosion that breached the containment of the pile the plutonium would get sprayed all over the place as an aerosol. Not a pretty picture, if you ask me. All in all, I can't see how they could get around this sort of thing without using nastier substances than Plutonium at this time since ZPE's not going to be available in the forseeable future (While it's looking like that MIGHT change (Thanks to the TEP crowd... :-) it's not going to be there for the Cassini probe or for several more in the next few years) and cold fusion looks to be the same way. What do you propose for an alternative? Solar cells? Not go there? I think not... -- Frank C. Earl Earl Consulting Services ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Pursuant to USC 47, there is a $500 per incident charge for each and every piece of Unsolicited Commercial Email (UCE) sent to this or any of my other addresses. Sending UCE's to any of my addresses implys general acceptance of these terms. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 13 14:09:31 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id OAA31461; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 14:08:49 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 14:08:49 -0700 Message-ID: <34428D84.79866665@microtronics.com.au> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 06:37:16 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List Server Freenrg CC: List Server Vortex Subject: Re: Magnetic flux velocity ? References: <199710111617.NAA19644@bigbox.plug-in.com.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"xIbFy3.0.Oh7.VteGq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1316 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Marcelo Puhl wrote: > > > Greg Watson wrote: > > > > 1.6 microseconds per meter. > > > > -- > > How did you measure that ? Two coils separated by some distance ? > > And what if you drive this two coils with properly phased pulses to > resonate the magnectic flux in the ferrite core ? > > And what if the two coils are rotated 90 degrees each other to generate a > rotating magnetic field ? > > And what if you modulate the drive signal @60 Hz ? > > Just brainstorming ... > > Marcelo HI Marcelo, The time was measured by two coils in the test setup shown on my site's one way tranfsormer experiment as part of the PMOD research. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 13 14:13:19 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id OAA00266; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 14:12:55 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 14:12:55 -0700 Message-Id: <199710132112.OAA05870@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: "vortex" , "Free Energy" Subject: switching anomaly THANKS Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 14:21:35 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Bb-eG2.0.s3.LxeGq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1317 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Akira, Hamdi, and Scott, I forgot to mention-- Thanks for your help!! Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 13 14:42:49 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id OAA12531; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 14:41:36 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 14:41:36 -0700 Message-ID: <34429541.F02FCB72@microtronics.com.au> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 07:10:17 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List Server Freenrg CC: List Server Vortex Subject: Re: PMOD still running ? Specs please. References: <19971013173404.1b66bc75.in@pop3.vossnet.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"9WpY41.0.W33.DMfGq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1318 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Stefan Hartmann wrote: > > Hi Greg, > > as you claimed PMOD is already in selfrunning mode, Not self powered. The original PMOD experiments date back on and off over the last 3 years. My final unit consumed (from my notes) 35mw and put out 78mw. The two voltages were different and the output still noisy. I used transistors, not mosfets. > I would like to ask a few questions: > > 1. For how long did you get it selfrunning in a cloosed loop ? It just works. Like any electronic circuit. Switch it on and presto, you got it. > Is it still running today ? I still have the original breadboard. > What are you powering with it with the 78 mWatts ?Just a resistance or did > you try an LED already ? A resistor. > 2. Does the ferrite core or the coil get cold after running for a while ? Not that I can recall, but I didn't check for that. > 3. Are there any biological side effects, e.g. your cat don´t want to > sit near to it ? Not that I can remember. > 4. Does the output change over time or is it constant 78 mWatts all day and > night long ? Didn't really run it for days & weeks. It worked and I think I have a very good idea why. > Please let us all know. I am. > Thanks again. > > Regards, Stefan. Hi Stephan, The original PMOD was done in a time before Vortex and FreeNrg. I believed that what I had found was not that new or great. Like I have said before, I just put 2 existing ferromagnetic effects that I had known about for many earlier years together and verified that my theory worked. The current effort is to take my notes and produce a simple circuit that ANYONE can duplicate. No frictional losses and critical exit angles as in the SMOT. THe first big secret of the PMOD is to determine the Critical Reaction Time of the domains in the ferrite under test. Every ferrite / coil assy will be different. When we can get a few CRT rigs working, tuning the rep rate of the pulses is the next step. Then we wind another coil (several 100 turns) over the entire length of the rod and use fast Schottky diodes in a full wave bridge to tap the unrestricted and time delayed B field as induced Emf. We need the larger coil to boost the induced voltage (Emf) to overcome the forward voltage drops in the diodes. But ONE step at a time or Jean-Louis will be finished before the rest start. Lets get a few CRT rigs working. They are cheap and easy to build. My set-up exclusive of the scope and variable Psu is around $25 Aust dollars ($20Us). -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 13 15:01:50 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id OAA16588; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 14:57:10 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 14:57:10 -0700 Message-ID: <344298A2.CF67E5C2@microtronics.com.au> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 07:24:42 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com, List Server Freenrg Subject: Re: PMOD & Tep References: <971011040048_1276773022@emout18.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"WLcNS.0.434.qafGq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1319 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Schaffer@gav.gat.com wrote: > > It looks to me like you people are just exciting ringing in resonances > above 10 MHz formed by stray capacitance and inductance. No question that some of these effects exist, but the Ferrite Critical Reaction is real. If we start with a coil wound around a ferrite rod. The ferrite's domains need a real amount of time to start moving in reaction the the coil's initial H field. For a short time, the coil will act as if it were a air core coil. Some 10-50ns later the domains start moving and the coils inductance sharply increases. The PMOD is about causing the domain excitment and stopping the H field just as the domains B field starts to appear. The effect is real and its NOT coil / cap resonance. > Not only does the circuit under test have these stray components, the > oscilloscope itself, even with 10x probe, has capacitance, which gets added > to the circuit. > > Greg Watson wrote: > >I use a 0.1 ohm wire resistor bent into a loop. I gently solder the > coil side of the resistor directly to the earth ring around the tip of > the probe and do likewise to the probe's active tip. > But a loop adds inductance to your current measuring resistor. This > increases its sensitivity to high frequency components of the signal. Correct, but not much from my experiments. What the above setup does do is attempt to, in a simple way eliminate as much crap from the current probe as simply possible. The test setup is designed to be replicated by individuals at home. > It takes great care and testing to eliminate artifacts from experiments > like these. I agree 100%. I think the setup produces acceptable results. Its lets you see the time of the ferrites critical response (how long it takes the domains to start moving) and produce a coil drive pulse to cause phasing between the H and B fields. Thats what it all about. > Michael J. Schaffer Hi Michael, Thanks for the comments. The H to B phasing (delay) is not resonance. Its soild physics. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 13 15:09:49 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id PAA20953; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 15:09:27 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 15:09:27 -0700 Comments: ( Received on motgate.mot.com from client pobox.mot.com, sender johnste@me525.ecg.csg.mot.com ) From: "John E. Steck" Message-Id: <971013170916.ZM4999@me525.ecg.csg.mot.com> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 17:09:16 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Fred Epps" "switching anomaly THANKS" (Oct 13, 4:24pm) References: <199710132112.OAA05870@mail1.halcyon.com> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (4.0.1 13Jan97) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, "vortex" Subject: DOUBLE POSTS - ARGHHHH! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"okcsX1.0.D75.MmfGq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1320 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Please excuse my Monday grumpiness, but for those of us subscribed to multiple lists it would help a great deal if other members wouldn't "cc" several lists when they post messages. There is a mention of this in the rules, but self control is all that is really needed. It really creates a lot of excess mail to sift through for many of us. If the person you are communicating with CHOOSES to subscribe to only one list, there is probably a very good reason he or she is doing that. With some exceptions, most members belong to both lists anyway so the double posts are not needed. My apologies for wasting everyones' time with this, but it is a practice that seems to be increasing in popularity lately. I would rather not have to chose one list or the other due to excessive duplications. Thanks for reading. -- John E. Steck Prototype Tooling Motorola Inc. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 13 15:48:27 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id PAA32224; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 15:43:41 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 15:43:41 -0700 Message-ID: <3439C219.5CCB@email.psu.edu> Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 00:01:14 -0500 From: jeremy fox X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Question about this list.. References: <199710132112.OAA05870@mail1.halcyon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"aEWD9.0.Ht7.RGgGq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1321 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Can anyone tell me how to subscribe to this list in digest format? I am on a few lists for various things, and getting too many messages. Thanks, Jeremy From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 13 16:06:08 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id QAA07469; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 16:02:32 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 16:02:32 -0700 Message-ID: <3442A752.85D0D41C@mail.idt.net> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 18:57:22 -0400 From: Josef Katz X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freenrg-l@eskimo.com" Subject: Vortex Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ThT8Q1.0.Mq1.6YgGq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1322 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: can someone please explain me what the vortex list is about? thanks. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 13 16:30:08 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id QAA14914; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 16:26:27 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 16:26:27 -0700 Message-Id: Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Frank C. Earl" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 18:29:56 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: PMOD still running ? Specs please. Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.42a) Resent-Message-ID: <"BweJM.0.xe3.XugGq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1323 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > > as you claimed PMOD is already in selfrunning mode, > > Not self powered. The original PMOD experiments date back on and off > over the last 3 years. My final unit consumed (from my notes) 35mw > and put out 78mw. The two voltages were different and the output > still noisy. I used transistors, not mosfets. Why not self-powered? The output's slightly more than double the input power. I'd think that there'd be enough power to feed the output back into the input somehow without killing all of the output power. > It just works. Like any electronic circuit. Switch it on and presto, > you got it. Cool. When can we expect the exact diagram of the PMOD system? (I'm of the impression that the stuff so far is the explanation of the whys and wherefores of the PMOD so that we'll understand what you're going to hand out to the world shortly- correct me if I've mis-stated it...) > > What are you powering with it with the 78 mWatts ?Just a resistance or did > > you try an LED already ? > > A resistor. Ok. That's something for us to know about for specifics sake. > > 2. Does the ferrite core or the coil get cold after running for a while ? > > Not that I can recall, but I didn't check for that. That would be something for us to look for when we get to experimenting with it. > > 3. Are there any biological side effects, e.g. your cat don't want to > > sit near to it ? > > Not that I can remember. Another research angle for us. > > 4. Does the output change over time or is it constant 78 mWatts all day and > > night long ? > > Didn't really run it for days & weeks. It worked and I think I have a > very good idea why. Why didn't you run it for extended periods? There might be variances that you don't know about. > The original PMOD was done in a time before Vortex and FreeNrg. I > believed that what I had found was not that new or great. Like I have > said before, I just put 2 existing ferromagnetic effects that I had > known about for many earlier years together and verified that my > theory worked. Is what you've placed on your site the general gist of the theory in question or is there more not revealed yet? > The current effort is to take my notes and produce a simple circuit > that ANYONE can duplicate. No frictional losses and critical exit > angles as in the SMOT. Which is why I'm thrilled you're sharing with us. I suspect there's some physics that's been lost somewhere because someone kept it to themselves. > THe first big secret of the PMOD is to determine the Critical Reaction > Time of the domains in the ferrite under test. Every ferrite / coil > assy will be different. When we can get a few CRT rigs working, > tuning the rep rate of the pulses is the next step. Then we wind > another coil (several 100 turns) over the entire length of the rod and > use fast Schottky diodes in a full wave bridge to tap the unrestricted > and time delayed B field as induced Emf. We need the larger coil to > boost the induced voltage (Emf) to overcome the forward voltage drops > in the diodes. Interesting that there'd be that many divergent differences in this- that could be why it was never discovered until you came along. It could make it difficult to manufacuture a power source out of this sort of device if every one of them needed this sort of tuning, though. > But ONE step at a time or Jean-Louis will be finished before the rest > start. Is that such a big problem, Greg? I don't mind being in on this potentially great find- but I could care less so long as we've plumbed the depths of it and find answers to the enigma. > Lets get a few CRT rigs working. They are cheap and easy to build. > My set-up exclusive of the scope and variable Psu is around $25 Aust > dollars ($20Us). Only problem is the scopes. In my case, I've only a 10MHz scope- I don't think I'm going to get the same results as the rest of the crowd because of it. -- Frank C. 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From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 13 16:54:55 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id QAA08247; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 16:53:03 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 16:53:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3442A752.85D0D41C@mail.idt.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 13:49:34 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: Vortex Resent-Message-ID: <"1tXEV3.0.j02.QHhGq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1324 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Josef Katz wrote: >can someone please explain me what the vortex list is about? thanks. Originally about water vortex cold fusion devices, it's now cold fusion and related topics specifically, and anomalous physics especially related to energy. So there's some overlap with freenrg. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 13 17:12:21 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id RAA10666; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 17:10:37 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 17:10:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710140008.MAA07952@vesta.plain.co.nz> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Don Anderson" Organization: Ethos To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 13:13:02 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Commentary on the Death of Bruce dePalma (by Toby Grotz) Reply-to: don@planet.apc.org Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Resent-Message-ID: <"Tv0gI3.0.Xc2.vXhGq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1325 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Greetings All DePalma was dubious about Grotz's motives and connections. This attitude is justified in light of Toby's recent posting. One can only imagine what would inspire Mr Grotz to write such disrespectful, untrue and defamatory words about the late Bruce DePalma. I concur with Tom Brown, DePalma's life and work are yet to be fully acknowledged. DePalma's ground-breaking work on variable inertia is even more significant than the N-machine. There will be other over unity devices, but DePalma alone deserves the credit for discovering variable inertia at non-relativistic speeds. DePalma will be remembered alongside Faraday and Newton for his work. Those who follow the N-machine work of DePalma and Tewari will have seen the evidence of over-unity output. Obviously, Grotz was not one of those people. My sincere condolences to Andrew Mount. Andrew, please do not feel that you have to trouble yourself with responding to Grotz. He is not worth the energy. Best wishes Don Anderson =============================================== Don Anderson Programme Co-ordinator PO Box 12296, APC - Converge Wellington PlaNet New Zealand Ph 025 456-225 http://www.converge.org.nz From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 13 18:01:20 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id RAA10072; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 17:56:28 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 17:56:28 -0700 Message-Id: <199710140054.RAA20762@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: "kami" , "Free Energy" Subject: Coler experiments Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 18:03:14 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"VEwik3.0.HT2.wCiGq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1326 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Folks! I am surprised that with all the discussion and even construction of the Coler devices over the years that there have been no reports of attempts to reproduce any of the experiments described in the B.I.O.S document. I call your attention to two in particular: Experiment 3 on P. 23-24 of the website version at http://www.algonet.se/~johnnyfg/hcoler/hcoler3.htm and the experiment described by Coler himself in Appendix 5 (P. 28) , the one he himself states that his devices were based on. Experiment 3 is clearly a form of parametric transformer, described in the literature, and should work as Coler said, yet the testers found no response. This is not hard to understand, as the resonances of these types of transformers are hard to adjust. What we can learn from this is that Coler's experiments were not necessarily done correctly by the testers-- we cannot assume that their null results are valid. The Appendix experiment is probably the most important experiment and the one that bears repeating. This can be easily done with modern equipment. Coler's experiment appears to have been done as carefully as it could have been with the equipment available. The results described contradict Faraday's law, in that the total EMF integrated over time induced by rapidly decreasing and increasing currents is different. It is notable that the testers of Coler's ideas did not see fit to test this idea either... Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 13 18:01:23 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id RAA10236; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 17:57:21 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 17:57:21 -0700 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 20:08:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199710140008.UAA22718@mail.wincom.net> X-Sender: wood@mail.wincom.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: wood Subject: Re: New Charter, DePalma Institute Resent-Message-ID: <"0xjul2.0.jV2.lDiGq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1328 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 09:10 AM 10/12/97 -0800, you wrote: > > 8)=A0 A Christian moral atmosphere will be cultivated among the >students. > > > > 11)=A0 The only criterion placed on students is that they are >healthy and capable of creative and constructive contributions to our >society.=A0 There are no restrictions because of race, colour, sex, age or >religious beliefs. > > =20 >Bruce DePalma It appears to me there is a conflict between number 8 and 11 Woody > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 13 18:01:24 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id RAA10179; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 17:57:13 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 17:57:13 -0700 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 20:08:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199710140008.UAA22734@mail.wincom.net> X-Sender: wood@mail.wincom.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: wood Subject: Re: radiactive saturn probe Resent-Message-ID: <"xRo662.0.yU2.cDiGq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1327 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: If the rocket were to explode would it not propel the satelite portion forward like a bullet or surfboard on a wave.Not quite as gentle perhaps but the proper design could take this into account. The challenger was totally destroyed because the main tank exploded right beside the shuttle not behind it.The explosion below would not be as devastating and would not vapourize the plutonium. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 13 18:06:31 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id SAA12641; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 18:02:58 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 18:02:58 -0700 From: steve-nyeoka@juno.com To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Free Energy Story Message-ID: <19971013.210213.2519.0.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> References: <199710131021.DAA27812@mail1.halcyon.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-19,21-25,31-32,36-37,41-43 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 21:00:48 EDT Resent-Message-ID: <"ZKR6l1.0.P53.1JiGq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1329 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 13 Oct 1997 02:39:43 -0700 "Fred Epps" writes: > >Hi Vicente! > >> Free energy can't been obtained by anybody until this date? (You >claim >> your devices work). >> 2. We are in a wrong direction (I don't belive Moray, Tesla, >Hubbard, >> Hendershot, Coler, Mathernita builder, etc used a extremely >complicated >> circuits to obtain a lot of Kw with relatively little generators.) > >It may well be, but it seems that many people have spent years trying >to replicate these devices with inadequate information and have been >unsuccessful. They DID work, but past is past, there is no going back. > This past isclosed to us primarily because of the inventors themselves, who did >not share their work. We have learned the lesson from that. > >Fred > I looked back in some of my reference material, electrically speaking the Hendershot device is no more complex than the Tep! Actually, it apears to be two spereate units running back-to-back (180 degrees out of phase). The articly mentioned that a guy named Ed Skilling from Upland, Ca. assisted Hendershot build a 300W device in 1958 (the book dated from 1981 and gave the address). When I can get a copy of the PMOD diagram I hope to compare it to Tep, and both to hendershot. L3 and L4 appear to be "bucking" coils rather than Tep's bifilar, but the circuit diagram I have is hard to follow at a glance. Fred, I agree about the openness in trying to develop a new technology. A least hendershot left a diagram to analyze, all I have from Morray is a block diagram in "The Sea of Energy" which shows an extremely comlex device (on par with an old tube-based TV). Steve Heckman From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 13 18:46:39 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id SAA27550; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 18:43:04 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 18:43:04 -0700 Message-Id: <199710140142.SAA27188@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: Free Energy Story Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 18:49:57 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"SIf-22.0.Ck6.cuiGq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1330 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Steve and all, > > >> 2. We are in a wrong direction (I don't belive Moray, Tesla, > >Hubbard, > >> Hendershot, Coler, Mathernita builder, etc used a extremely > >complicated > >> circuits to obtain a lot of Kw with relatively little generators.) > > > >It may well be, but it seems that many people have spent years trying > >to replicate these devices with inadequate information and have been > >unsuccessful. They DID work, but past is past, there is no going back. > > This past isclosed to us primarily because of the inventors themselves, > who did > >not share their work. We have learned the lesson from that. > > > >Fred > > > I looked back in some of my reference material, electrically speaking the > Hendershot device is no more complex than the Tep! Yes, I think I meant to say that these gadgets are all about on the same level of complexity, somewhere between a toaster and your typical AM radio. The exception being the Moray device, as described. Actually, it apears to > be two spereate units running back-to-back (180 degrees out of phase). > The articly mentioned that a guy named Ed Skilling from Upland, Ca. > assisted Hendershot build a 300W device in 1958 (the book dated from 1981 > and gave the address). That's right. I have an 8-page file of info I can send you in gifs if you want, and I guess the Hendershot manual is still available. The problem with the Hendershot device was that the large basket-weave condenser had to be touched and prodded by Hendershot to work! You might also want to look at my little article on Jean-louis's site too, at http://members.aol.com/overunity/html/hender.htm > Fred, I agree about the openness in trying to develop a new technology. A > least hendershot left a diagram to analyze, all I have from Morray is a > block diagram in "The Sea of Energy" which shows an extremely comlex > device (on par with an old tube-based TV). Yes, in my opinion an attempt to duplicate the Moray device is a waste of time. That doesn't mean I think trying to build a device to tap cosmic radiant energy is a waste of time. Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 13 20:46:25 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id UAA09517; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 20:42:19 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 20:42:19 -0700 From: PRobb26666@aol.com Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 23:41:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971013234134_-1831071607@emout13.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Hi Patrick Resent-Message-ID: <"NnbSN1.0.cK2.PekGq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1331 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hello, I'm Patrick Robbins. Unfortunately, I'm not the same Patrick who sold you the patent abstracts and I have never been to a UFO expo. I too wish to connect with free energy people who want to do more than just talk about it. The best forum I have found yet is freenrg-l. I had hopes that weirdscience would help. They are supposed to be exclusively experiment oriented, but so far their discussions haven't had a hint of practical applications. Still, you can wait and see. So, if you can help me to find information on the internet or provide information yourself, I'm interested. I've scoured the internet and collected just about every fringe or weird construction article I can get. E-mail me about something specific you're looking for and maybe I have some information. Patrick Robbins From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 13 21:54:36 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id VAA32007; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 21:50:55 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 21:50:55 -0700 Message-Id: <199710140437.BAA23255@bigbox.plug-in.com.br> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Marcelo Puhl" To: "Fred Epps" Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 02:37:51 -3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: switched parametric test Reply-to: mark@plug-in.com.br CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Priority: normal In-reply-to: <199710140004.RAA32639@mail1.halcyon.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Resent-Message-ID: <"5EdwM3.0.lp7.jelGq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1332 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > > I have ASSUMED (and maybe I shouldn't have) that these spikes are positive > going when L2 is switched in and negative going when it is switched out. > Is that right? Yes, that's right. One up, the other down. > > Another hint : when you short one section of the coils, you are loading > the > > other section. I doubt such a circuit oscilates. > > I don't really understand that. > > A short-circuited coil is a heavy load if magnetically coupled to the other coil. > > The parametric transformer seems to get better results. But at f. > > That's interesting! You are using two toroids and switching between them, > or between the pri and sec of one? Two independent toroids, equally wounded. The two primaries in series, the two secondaries in "anti-series", tuned with a capacitor. > > > > I haven't tried it, but after reading Mr. Haspden theories I became > > interested and will give the circuit a try. > > I strongly suggest NOT trying to replicate the whole circuit which has been > tried at least twice with no results as far as I know. Of course ... I'll try some experiments with only one magnet & coil first. Marcelo From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 13 23:14:28 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id XAA14128; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 23:12:54 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 23:12:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 23:09:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710140609.XAA03737@norway.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: PMOD Test Comments part 2 Resent-Message-ID: <"RVbzD2.0.eS3.armGq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1333 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Greg, thanks for your comments. At 04:29 PM 10/13/97 +0930, you wrote: >Dave Dameron wrote: >You could do with a better gate drive system. We need the fet really >turned on and off fast. To do this requires a lot of source and sink >from the driver to charge / discharge the fet's gate cap. Yes you need like 100mA drive to charge/discharge it in 10nS. I am looking at a better drive circuit. (I pushed the TTL with 6Volts). I didn't use a BU2508A transistor - didn't find it's cross-ref specs, but if its a HV horizontal deflection transistor, it has much more voltage than you really need, with a sacrifice in current gain. Is there a reason for it? >> 4) 0.4 Ohm NI resistor (1cm of resistance wire) > >OK, Could be smaller. Less observer effect. 0.1 volt response is only 0.01volt input with a 10X probe. I don't have more sensitivity to use a 0.1 Ohm current probe. >> My conclusion: faster equipment than what I have is needed to see the PMOD >> effect. What I could see is the initial, then back EMP pulse, then resonant >> ringing. If a faster gate drive does not let me see the ferrite effect, I will have to watch from the sidelines what other's with better scopes get with their tests. I only have a 15mHz oscilloscope. With a number of 1.6uS/m for the domain propagation, was hoping to see the propagation effects (240uS each leg of my ferrite loop, that kind of pulse I easily can view), but the ferrite characterization tests seem to require a much more demanding setup. It appears that once the drive is set up, there is very little additional circuit for the PMOD -just another coil and rectifiers. Hopefully the output isn't too high a frequency, Motorola states their Schottky rectifiers, which don't have a reverse recovery time, lose about 70% of their rectification efficiency at 2MHz due to RF conduction through the reverse capacitance. -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 14 00:07:17 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id AAA17176; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 00:05:44 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 00:05:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3443197A.1780E932@microtronics.com.au> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 16:34:26 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: PMOD Test Comments part 2 References: <199710140609.XAA03737@norway.it.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"mf5zG.0.DC4.4dnGq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1334 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dave Dameron wrote: > > Hi Greg, > thanks for your comments. > At 04:29 PM 10/13/97 +0930, you wrote: > >Dave Dameron wrote: > > Yes you need like 100mA drive to charge/discharge it in 10nS. I am looking > at a better drive circuit. (I pushed the TTL with 6Volts). I didn't use a > BU2508A transistor - didn't find it's cross-ref specs, but if its a HV > horizontal deflection transistor, it has much more voltage than you really > need, with a sacrifice in current gain. Is there a reason for it? It was handy, but you are right, it needs a lot of base drive (several amps) to turn on quick. Check out the latest circuit on my site, It uses a IRF510 MOSFET and uses dual 74AC244 to drive the fet's gate. > >> 4) 0.4 Ohm NI resistor (1cm of resistance wire) > > > >OK, Could be smaller. Less observer effect. > 0.1 volt response is only 0.01volt input with a 10X probe. I don't have more > sensitivity to use a 0.1 Ohm current probe. I design for my scope and I just think along low resistances for current sensing. A higher value could be used, but the fet drive must be directly between the gate and source to avoid gate current pulses appearing across the current sense resistor. Too high a value and you could get interference with the drive pulse. > >> My conclusion: faster equipment than what I have is needed to see the PMOD > >> effect. What I could see is the initial, then back EMP pulse, then resonant > >> ringing. My scope is a 50Mhz unit and it seems to work ok. > If a faster gate drive does not let me see the ferrite effect, I will have > to watch from the sidelines what other's with better scopes get with their > tests. I only have a 15mHz oscilloscope. > With a number of 1.6uS/m for the domain propagation, was hoping to see the > propagation > effects (240uS each leg of my ferrite loop, that kind of pulse I easily can > view), To see that you need to optimize the coil drive pulse rep rate (freq) to match the ferrite's domain avalanche time. > but the ferrite characterization tests seem to require a much more demanding > setup. > It appears that once the drive is set up, there is very little additional > circuit for the PMOD -just another coil and rectifiers. Hopefully the output > isn't too high a frequency, Motorola states their Schottky rectifiers, which > don't have a reverse recovery time, lose about 70% of their rectification > efficiency at 2MHz due to RF conduction through the reverse capacitance. Ouch. Not nice. I have today obtained a few SBYV27-150 diodes. They have a 15ns turn off time. I plan to increase the number of turns in the secondary coil to make up for the increased forward drop. > -Dave Hi Dave, If you can see the initial current rise and following negative dip reduce your drive pulse width to just turn off the fet as the current starts its initial drop. Then play with the freq and watch the emf developed in the drive coil as you find the domain avalanche resonant frequency. Depending on the ferrite and physical size, the domain avalanche resonance may be quite broad. Remember the ferrite is a 3D structure and domain avalanches go in ALL directions. I plan to use one of the fast diodes between the coil and fet to stop large negative pulses from causing the fet's internal protection diode to turn on. I don't want to use snubbers. They destroy the effect. In fact that's what they are for. Good luck. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 14 00:26:34 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id AAA19947; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 00:25:02 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 00:25:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <34431DCA.495DA10D@microtronics.com.au> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 16:52:50 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: PMOD still running ? Specs please. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"LGZI52.0.at4.BvnGq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1335 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Frank C. Earl wrote: > > > > as you claimed PMOD is already in selfrunning mode, > > > > Not self powered. The original PMOD experiments date back on and off > > over the last 3 years. My final unit consumed (from my notes) 35mw > > and put out 78mw. The two voltages were different and the output > > still noisy. I used transistors, not mosfets. > > Why not self-powered? The output's slightly more than double the > input power. I'd think that there'd be enough power to feed the > output back into the input somehow without killing all of the output > power. Voltages were different. > > It just works. Like any electronic circuit. Switch it on and presto, you got it. > > Cool. When can we expect the exact diagram of the PMOD system? > (I'm of the impression that the stuff so far is the explanation > of the whys and wherefores of the PMOD so that we'll understand > what you're going to hand out to the world shortly- correct me > if I've mis-stated it...) Exact specs will always be a problem. Each ferrite I tested was different. I have designed a single chip controller and drive circuits to tune to the ferrite and provide voltage control by varying the pulse width. But thats in the future. > Why didn't you run it for extended periods? There might be variances > that you don't know about. It worked and I think I understood why. It was not until I joined FreeNrg & Vortex that I started to learn that what I had done was of interest to others. I still believe there are MANY working OU devices in existence. > > The original PMOD was done in a time before Vortex and FreeNrg. I > > believed that what I had found was not that new or great. Like I have > > said before, I just put 2 existing ferromagnetic effects that I had > > known about for many earlier years together and verified that my > > theory worked. > > Is what you've placed on your site the general gist of the theory in > question or is there more not revealed yet? All of the theory is there. There is a lot of practical advise to come yet. PMOD devices can be built today, but practical devices push the envelope in some areas. Thats why I believe I will need a single chip Cpu to run the system. > > The current effort is to take my notes and produce a simple circuit > > that ANYONE can duplicate. No frictional losses and critical exit > > angles as in the SMOT. > > Which is why I'm thrilled you're sharing with us. I suspect there's > some physics that's been lost somewhere because someone kept it to > themselves. Most texts on switch mode design show the initial current surge. I some cases it is causes by a freewheeling diode that is conducting as the fet turns on. All I did was discover that the initial pulse is there with NO freewheeling diodes or snubbers. I then spent time to really investigate what was happening during that first few 10s of ns. Maybe the statement in ALL design books that this current pulse is caused by a conduction diode and stopped all others from looking behind the curtain. > Interesting that there'd be that many divergent differences in this- > that could be why it was never discovered until you came along. It > could make it difficult to manufacuture a power source out of this > sort of device if every one of them needed this sort of tuning, > though. Its easy only the control systems are developed. > Only problem is the scopes. In my case, I've only a 10MHz scope- I > don't think I'm going to get the same results as the rest of the > crowd because of it. Find someone with a fast scope. Or get your local scope agent to let you trial a 100Mhz unit for a few weeks. > Frank C. Earl Hi Frank, Thanks for the input, I hope the above helps. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 14 00:58:30 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id AAA17596; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 00:51:52 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 00:51:52 -0700 Message-Id: <199710140750.JAA47534@sdn5.csc.dk> From: i3683@csc.dk (I3683) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 10:39:00 CDT Subject: Ang.: Re: 3Q*v against Q*3v MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, david@bahnhof.se cc: gravitics1@aol.com, bt@irfu.se Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <"dDJJL2.0.rI4.NIoGq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1336 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >You have not read what I wrote on line 2: "non-neutral conductors".=20 >I am not talking about a wire, you are. Your=20 >Do you agree that these fields require a special treatment and that=20 >they are non-relativistic? Someone must have analysed this before.=20 >Who? >David Non-neutral conductors give slightly different calculations and results.= The=20 calculations are not without a taste of relativity. James Clerk Maxwell treated the problem theoretically in his "Treatise o= n=20 Electricity & Magnetism" (1891), Part III, Article 770, titled "On conve= ction=20 currents" (If I recall correctly).=20 An American physicist (Harry Rawlinson?) published experimental work on = this=20 problem around 1878. As did various other people, for example Roentgen. For a more recent discussion, see "Berkely Physics Course" (1963) Volume= 2,=20 chapter 5 & 6. Especially pertinent is a subchapter of chapter 6, called= "How=20 the fields transform" (for a moving observer). Or see Stefan Marinov: "Classical Physics" (1981) Volume 3. I think it i= s=20 chapter IV and V. Regards, Anders From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 14 01:04:08 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id AAA19228; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 00:57:38 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 00:57:38 -0700 Message-ID: <34431FF7.33E466E2@microtronics.com.au> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 17:02:07 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List Server Freenrg CC: List Server Vortex Subject: PMOD FCR circuit mod Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"P0lqJ1.0.Di4.lNoGq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1337 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi All, I am placing a SBYV27-150 between the coil and fet to stop the fet's conduction during the off state. The diode is rated at max 15ns turnoff / 150v. You can determine if you are having this problem by observing the fet's source to drain voltage. If it stays low after the fet drive pulse, the fet (its internal protection diode) as got itself in a knot. Usually snubbers are used to eliminate this efect, but they will also slow down the current rise / drop and really effect the H to B field phasing that we are chasing -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 14 01:49:06 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id BAA28252; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 01:45:42 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 01:45:42 -0700 Message-Id: <199710140845.BAA17224@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: "Free Energy" , "kami" , "Dave Dameron" Subject: Re: Coler experiments Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 01:54:08 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"nk93P2.0.Gv6.r4pGq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1338 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Dave! I'm taking the liberty of sending my reply to the list as well so the others can learn from my mistakes. I hope you don't mind... > I visited the Coler site again, and became lost with both of his devices - > moving magnets, anchor circuit, capacitor plates being wound into coils? Am > not sure even what the 2 different devices "Magnet..." and "Strom..." are. > (from each other). A while back, hoped to understand more from list > discussions, which died off with "radium wires" (I think), so that didn't > help. Do you recommend I study that more, or just the experiments? You definitely can learn more from the papers, they are actually pretty well organized, Its just a lot of stuff to sort out. Look at all of it, it's like an ink blot, everyone sees something different in there. I had been studying them pretty closely for a while I thought, then Peter Neilsen wrote and said, did you notice this.. and this.. and this.. I hadn't seen any of it! > > >Experiment 3 is clearly a form of parametric transformer, described in the > >literature, and should work as Coler said, yet the testers found no > >response. This is not hard to understand, as the resonances of these types > >of transformers are hard to adjust. What we can learn from this is that > >Coler's experiments were not necessarily done correctly by the testers-- we > >cannot assume that their null results are valid. > > Is this the experiment where there is supposed to be a DC output from the > opposing secondaries? I've done this many times at 60Hz. Are there supposed > to be resonant? (I will go back). Why do you think there should be a DC output? Well, you got me there, I forgot about the DC thing. I was thinking about the parametric transformer part. I have a parametric transformer design in one of my papers thats pretty similar to this. There should be at least an AC output from the secondary, and the testers made no mention of that. That's what I should have said. Whoops... I have the feeling not the last one in this letter :-) > > > >The Appendix experiment is probably the most important experiment and the > >one that bears repeating. This can be easily done with modern equipment. > >Coler's experiment appears to have been done as carefully as it could have > >been with the equipment available. The results described contradict > >Faraday's law, in that the total EMF integrated over time induced by > >rapidly decreasing and increasing currents is different. > > It appears that the closing and opening currents are not the same. Classical > theory says that upon closing a switch to an inductor, di/dt is a finite value > and i(t=0) is 0 at the start. At the opening, i is whatever value it optained > during the 100 cycle, and di/dt is as large as the interruptor switch can > withstand. (flyback voltage). Looking at the secondary is to measure this. > It sounded to me that Coler confused these 2 cases as being somehow > equivalent??? Looks like I did too-- I didn't know that! > > >It is notable that the testers of Coler's ideas did not see fit to test > >this idea either... > Obviously you have another take on this, Fred. :-). Can you explain further > what wasn't tested? > What experiment are you proposing be done? That the integrated positive > di/dt is not equal to the negative in the secondary, that is there is a > increasing DC current over time??? > It wasn't clear what the secondary rectifier did - sounded like it inverted > the negative waveforms (a synchronous rotary rectifier is the only kind I > know of in the 30's - other than vacuum tubes which he clearly wasn't > referring to here) so the + and - could be viewed in the same polarity... > only for some limitation in the measuring equipment other than the ammeter?? Well, I can't say anything much in this letter except duh duh duh. I took it for granted that because Coler thought it was unusual it WAS unusual. That's what I get from learning my electronics from "wierd science" :-) > Since I didn't understand the total appparatus- seemed more of running > current through magnets while also placing them in electromagnets- don't see > the connection with these 2 experiments. Maybe you can help? I didn't see any connection between the experiments and the devices. I thought maybe since everyone had focussed on the devices but hadn't done the experiments it was time to see what we missed. I still think that. I also think I should have studied electronics in a classroom or over a circuit board instead of just reading all the easy parts in every book I could get my hands on :-) The core current idea definitely need to be tested. As you know, I did a lot of library research on that aspect of it and there is definitely something to the idea that the L of the coil could be changed by a core current. With the proper material a lot more than the inductance can be changed, I read studies that showed that magnetized amorphous metals would lose all of their coercive force with even a small core current for instance. Core currents will eliminate barkhausen noise in some cases. It is a very interesting area that almost no-one is researching. There are only about 20 papers in existence on the topic of core currents, which is a very small number compared to a big subject like the mating habits of the black rhino :-) well, sorry for wasting your time on my false alarms, but I think my basic idea is still valid about breaking them down into experiments and doing them, rather duplicating the whole device. Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 14 05:41:35 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id FAA01541; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 05:41:17 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 05:41:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <34436665.10CBC7A4@ctv.es> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 14:32:38 +0200 From: Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga Reply-To: vramos@ctv.es X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Free Energy Story X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199710131021.DAA27812@mail1.halcyon.com> <19971013.210213.2519.0.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"NsYpW3.0.-N.gXsGq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1339 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: steve-nyeoka@juno.com wrote: > On Mon, 13 Oct 1997 02:39:43 -0700 "Fred Epps" > writes: > > > > I looked back in some of my reference material, electrically speaking > the > Hendershot device is no more complex than the Tep! Actually, it apears > to > be two spereate units running back-to-back (180 degrees out of phase). > > The articly mentioned that a guy named Ed Skilling from Upland, Ca. > assisted Hendershot build a 300W device in 1958 (the book dated from > 1981 > and gave the address). > > When I can get a copy of the PMOD diagram I hope to compare it to Tep, > > and both to hendershot. L3 and L4 appear to be "bucking" coils rather > than Tep's bifilar, but the circuit diagram I have is hard to follow > at a > glance. > > Fred, I agree about the openness in trying to develop a new > technology. A > least hendershot left a diagram to analyze, all I have from Morray is > a > block diagram in "The Sea of Energy" which shows an extremely comlex > device (on par with an old tube-based TV). > > Steve Heckman Hi, Steve. Can you send me Moray's diagram? Thanks. Vicente. -- Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga E-mail: vramos@ctv.es Home Page: http://www.ctv.es/USERS/vramos/home.htm Burriana (Castellon) SPAIN From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 14 06:11:18 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id GAA14836; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 06:10:52 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 06:10:52 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971014070529.0069b7e0@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 07:05:29 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: Re: PMOD Test Comments part 2 In-Reply-To: <3443197A.1780E932@microtronics.com.au> References: <199710140609.XAA03737@norway.it.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"TTQxJ2.0.jd3.RzsGq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1340 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi PMOD folk, As I sit here in my freezing room, because I haven't turned the heat on yet..no free energy...:) I've observed..... No effort was made to select the _smallest_ mosfet that would support the current and voltage required (with due regard to on resistance.) This is important for reduction of the parasitic capacitance and (when fast transition times are desired) reduction in the gate drive requirements. The effect of the miller capacitance was apparently neglected in arriving at the gate drive requirements. Also, its generally a good practice to require about 7-8V minimum as gate drive, but I'd use a minimum supply voltage of 12-18V. Since the voltage an exponential function... If you want a drive circuit that really, really, works... use a tiny mosfet totem pole, say, an IRF110 and IRFD110, driven by a CD4049B (all of it's inverters in parallel.) Unless you are driving mosfets in parallel, a gate resistor is unnecessary and it's actually detrimental in obtaining fast transition times. My belief is that the initial non-inductive current spike is due to charging the parasitic capacitance of the coil _and it's environment_, not magnetic domain inertia. But as always, that's just my interpretation of the data...I could be wrong. Best Regards, JD --------------------------------------------------------------- "Our frightful gods have only changed their names-now they rhyme with "ism."" -Jung mules@palacenet.net --------------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 14 06:28:35 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id GAA18638; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 06:28:15 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 06:28:15 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971014072305.007164c8@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 07:23:05 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: Re: Coler experiments In-Reply-To: <199710140845.BAA17224@mail1.halcyon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Sd45Y1.0.3Z4.jDtGq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1341 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 01:54 10/14/97 -0700, Fred wrote: >>>> I read studies that showed that magnetized amorphous metals would lose all of their coercive force with even a small core current for instance. Core currents will eliminate barkhausen noise in some cases. It is a very interesting area that almost no-one is researching. There are only about 20 papers in existence on the topic of core currents, which is a very small number compared to a big subject like the mating habits of the black rhino :-) <<<< Would you happen to have any of those papers, Fred? You've set me wondering if energy could be extracted from mating black rhino, and if they would loose all cohesive force if I passed a current through their core. B^) All kidding aside, I used to look at circuits that utilized core currents as silly....but now they make me go Hmmm. I'm negligent in not trying some simple experiments along that path with metglass tape. Best Regards, JD --------------------------------------------------------------- "Our frightful gods have only changed their names-now they rhyme with "ism."" -Jung mules@palacenet.net --------------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 14 07:28:03 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id HAA05098; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 07:27:44 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 07:27:44 -0700 Message-Id: <199710141426.HAA01341@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: Coler experiments Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 07:34:21 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"HVYiw.0.TF1.U5uGq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1342 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Jack! > > >>>> > I read studies that showed that magnetized amorphous metals would > lose all of their coercive force with even a small core current for > instance. Core currents will eliminate barkhausen noise in some cases. It > is a very interesting area that almost no-one is researching. There are > only about 20 papers in existence on the topic of core currents, which is a > very small number compared to a big subject like the mating habits of the > black rhino :-) > <<<< > > Would you happen to have any of those papers, Fred? You've set > me wondering if energy could be extracted from mating black rhino, > and if they would loose all cohesive force if I passed a current > through their core. B^) Undoubtably a very powerful source of energy.. now how do you get one to fit into an electric car? Or maybe we should apply some "appropriate technology" and just ride the rhino. > > All kidding aside, I used to look at circuits that utilized core > currents as silly....but now they make me go Hmmm. I'm negligent > in not trying some simple experiments along that path with metglass > tape. I am sending out some info on metglas experiments next weekend. I'll send it out to you. I would like to see the magnetic diode idea I told you about one time tried with metglas Tameer Hohnstein is trying it with an Invar-type alloy. What other circuits have you seen that utilize core currents, besides the Coler device? Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 14 07:53:39 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id HAA14537; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 07:53:10 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 07:53:10 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971014092629.00a4c9d0@pop.flash.net> X-Sender: jd2@pop.flash.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 09:26:29 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, List Server Freenrg From: JD Subject: OFF TOPIC **Urgent Request** Cc: List Server Vortex In-Reply-To: <3441D526.9D1767F3@microtronics.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"6z-fp3.0.0Z3.LTuGq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1343 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I'm sure most of you are aware of this situation. On the theory that the Ill. Police lack the authority to stop the U.S. mail, it has been suggested that people send Ms. Allen some bottled water by mail. She probably needs candles, matches, canned food, flashlights and batteries, and whatever else you all can think of to help her survive her plight. Let's help her out. Her address is: Mrs. Shirley Allen 825 E. 2725 North Road Mechanicsburg, Il. 62545-8027 Please repost widely. __________________________________________________________________ (forwarded text) Illinois State Police are not human enough to observe the rules of Geneva Convention regarding prisoners. Who are the Nazis after all????????? I just got a call from Illinois where we (some Lubbock Texans, including children) spent around $100.00 buying and shipping non perishable food and bottled water to Shirley Allen. It was simply a gesture of humanity and compassion. FEDEX was told by the troopers at the road block to turn around and ship it back to me at my cost. Shirley Allen wasn't going to get it. Period. The troopers offered to eat the food. They don't care at all about this woman. At least now my children know now what I am warning them about. Somebody call Jerry Spence!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Besides defecating on the first and second amendments these troopers have ignored these as well: The Bill of Rights 4th amendment guarantees the rights of persons to be secure in their persons, HOUSES, papers and effects. Illinois has spat upon this ammendment. The Bill of Rights 5th amendment guarantees protection from loss of life, liberty, or property without due process of law. Sixth Amendment says you have the right to know what you are charged with and to face your accusers. This woman has not broken a law!!!!! yet she is being starved outof her own house. If these "lawmen" were doing this to a Whooping Crane they would be swarmed with brave protestorsfrom PETA! WHERE IS MY AMERICA GOING? Welcome to the hall of shame Illinois, take it from a Texan who let Waco happen....it is no fun. The shame doesn't fade away. RICHARD H. KING Lubbock Tx. -- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 14 10:58:38 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id KAA06437; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 10:56:52 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 10:56:52 -0700 X-Sender: richarda@mailhub.icx.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199710140609.XAA03737@norway.it.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 13:56:41 -0400 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Richard Austin Subject: Re: PMOD Test Comments part 2 Resent-Message-ID: <"vooyW1.0.La1.Y9xGq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1344 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Instead of checking with an oscilloscope to know the parameters of the= ferrite (in order to tweak the pulse length etc.), couldn't you just= rectify and then measure the output from a secondary and tweak for maximum= output by adjusting pulse width and repetition rate for maximum output?= This would eliminate having to know anything ahead of time about the= ferrite characteristics. It would be easy and not even require a scope! >Hi Greg, >thanks for your comments. >At 04:29 PM 10/13/97 +0930, you wrote: >>Dave Dameron wrote: > >>You could do with a better gate drive system. We need the fet really >>turned on and off fast. To do this requires a lot of source and sink >>from the driver to charge / discharge the fet's gate cap. > >Yes you need like 100mA drive to charge/discharge it in 10nS. I am looking >at a better drive circuit. (I pushed the TTL with 6Volts). I didn't use a >BU2508A transistor - didn't find it's cross-ref specs, but if its a HV >horizontal deflection transistor, it has much more voltage than you really >need, with a sacrifice in current gain. Is there a reason for it? > >>> 4) 0.4 Ohm NI resistor (1cm of resistance wire) >> >>OK, Could be smaller. Less observer effect. >0.1 volt response is only 0.01volt input with a 10X probe. I don't have mor= e >sensitivity to use a 0.1 Ohm current probe. > > >>> My conclusion: faster equipment than what I have is needed to see the PM= OD >>> effect. What I could see is the initial, then back EMP pulse, then reson= ant >>> ringing. >If a faster gate drive does not let me see the ferrite effect, I will have >to watch from the sidelines what other's with better scopes get with their >tests. I only have a 15mHz oscilloscope. >With a number of 1.6uS/m for the domain propagation, was hoping to see the >propagation >effects (240uS each leg of my ferrite loop, that kind of pulse I easily can >view), >but the ferrite characterization tests seem to require a much more demandin= g >setup. >It appears that once the drive is set up, there is very little additional >circuit for the PMOD -just another coil and rectifiers. Hopefully the outpu= t >isn't too high a frequency, Motorola states their Schottky rectifiers, whic= h >don't have a reverse recovery time, lose about 70% of their rectification >efficiency at 2MHz due to RF conduction through the reverse capacitance. >-Dave Richard Austin -- email: richarda@icx.net -- radio: KG7SU Check out the Institute for Planetary Renewal at http://user.icx.net/~richar= da From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 14 13:04:37 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id NAA17583; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 13:03:31 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 13:03:31 -0700 X-Sender: wharton@128.183.200.226 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 16:03:06 -0400 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Larry Wharton Subject: Commentary on the Death of Bruce dePalma Resent-Message-ID: <"UWfJc3.0.dI4.H0zGq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1345 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Greetings All I have followed Bruce's work over the years. Although I did not see any reason to believe that a traditional homopolar generator would be ou I though that the work was of interest for two reasons. The standard physics could be wrong and ou may be possible and perhaps a homopolar generator of non-traditional design could be ou. In the hopes of motivating others to carry on Bruce's work after his death I would like to give some suggestions. My analysis using the standard Lorentz force to calculate the induced EMF of a homopolar generator shows that there is no possibility for ou operation. There is however a suggestion that the standard magnetic force should be replaced by Ampere's magnetic force. The best reference source on this question is the Graneaus' latest book "Newtonian Electrodynamics". The use of Ampere's magnetic force law would give a different EMF and may allow the possibility of over or under unity operation. Note that under unity or uu operation in a reversible system is just as good as ou because the mode of operation may be reversed and then uu becomes ou. Proper analysis of the homopolar generator should resolve the magnetic force controversy. There is no mention of homoploar generators in the Graneaus' book and I suspect that this is because it doesn't support their case. As for a non-standard design I would suggest the use of a hollow insulating disk instead of the solid metal rotor. This disk could be filled up with various conducting liquids such as water with dissolved electrolytes. In the case of different masses for the positive and negative ions there should be an induced emf from the centripetal force. This emf would not exert any back torque and any energy extracted from it should be free. What one would be doing here is introducing the electro-gravatational forces with the centripetal acceleration taking the place of the gravitational acceleration. In this case there may be some possibility of ou operation. Lawrence E. Wharton NASA/GSFC code 913 Greenbelt MD 20771 (301) 286-3486 Email - wharton@climate.gsfc.nasa.gov From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 14 13:49:03 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id NAA30195; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 13:48:15 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 13:48:15 -0700 X-Sender: leoguitar@mail.vossnet.de (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: Dave Dameron , JNaudin509@aol.com, fepps@halcyon.com, srae@mlb.planet.gen.nz, mrandall@earthlink.net, vramos@ctv.es, BAUER_D@fhi-berlin.mpg.de From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Re: Hans Coler Magnetstrom Apparat invention Cc: mark@plug-in.com.br, freenrg-l@eskimo.com, newman-l@emachine.com Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 22:46:48 +0100 Message-Id: <19971014224648.21ab6cec.in@pop3.vossnet.de> Resent-Message-ID: <"BMlmL.0.gN7.DgzGq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1346 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi have you ever checked out the Hans Coler Magnetstrom apparat invention ? http://www.algonet.se/~johnnyfg/hcoler/hcoler1.htm In the 1st GIF picture it gets clear, that he also used bifilar coils wound onto permanent magnets. So it seems that this also could be a parametric excitation oscillator ! Maybe it worked on the biased BH curve on the magnets and used something like the recent PMOD1.3 osscillation amplification seen in Jean Louis PMOD= test using Nonlinear BH curves... Here are the links for the Coler coils and the setup: http://www.algonet.se/~johnnyfg/hcoler/fig1.gif http://www.algonet.se/~johnnyfg/hcoler/fig2.gif http://www.algonet.se/~johnnyfg/hcoler/fig3.gif http://www.algonet.se/~johnnyfg/hcoler/fig4.gif I still don=B4t get it, but it is surely related to the TEP , PMOD and parametric excitation oscillation work we are currently doing... regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 14 14:17:27 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id OAA04448; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 14:15:48 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 14:15:48 -0700 From: rvanspaa@eisa.net.au (Robin van Spaandonk) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Specs Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 21:15:15 GMT Organization: Improving Message-ID: <34452b03.1875106@mail.eisa.net.au> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--=_3443e0e3311389309a98b09.MFSBCHJLHS" Resent-Message-ID: <"qTmnn1.0.L51.24-Gq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1347 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: ----=_3443e0e3311389309a98b09.MFSBCHJLHS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For those of you who don't already know about it, many chip companies, provide the specs of lots of their devices on the web nowadays. some others are only just catching up. 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----=_3443e0e3311389309a98b09.MFSBCHJLHS-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 14 15:11:39 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id PAA23345; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 15:09:33 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 15:09:33 -0700 Message-Id: Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Frank C. Earl" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 17:13:06 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: PMOD Test Comments part 2 Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.42a) Resent-Message-ID: <"KEamh2.0.Mi5.Qs-Gq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1348 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > If a faster gate drive does not let me see the ferrite effect, I will have > to watch from the sidelines what other's with better scopes get with their > tests. I only have a 15mHz oscilloscope. Yeah, same story I have- I've a good 10Mhz scope but, I suspect that most of the ferrites out there are going to have something like 50-300 MHz as the ringing frequency. I feel like I'm going to get left out- and all for the want of a good Tek 100MHz scope! (God, I miss the equipment we had in college physics...) > It appears that once the drive is set up, there is very little additional > circuit for the PMOD -just another coil and rectifiers. Hopefully the output > isn't too high a frequency, Motorola states their Schottky rectifiers, which > don't have a reverse recovery time, lose about 70% of their rectification > efficiency at 2MHz due to RF conduction through the reverse capacitance. Why Schottky's? -- Frank C. Earl Earl Consulting Services ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Pursuant to USC 47, there is a $500 per incident charge for each and every piece of Unsolicited Commercial Email (UCE) sent to this or any of my other addresses. Sending UCE's to any of my addresses implys general acceptance of these terms. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 14 15:17:52 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id PAA25595; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 15:16:07 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 15:16:07 -0700 From: tv@juno.com To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 15:12:28 -0700 Subject: Re: PMOD still running ? Specs please. Message-ID: <19971014.151233.2854.3.tv@juno.com> References: <19971013173404.1b66bc75.in@pop3.vossnet.de> <34429541.F02FCB72@microtronics.com.au> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-4,6,8-11,13-15,17-18,21-29 Resent-Message-ID: <"UK4zL1.0.nF6.by-Gq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1349 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Greg, Thank You for your openness with regards to the SMOT, PMOD etc. It is refreshing. However, In one of your earlier posts you did say that the PMOD was "self running". This caused much excitement. However, As you just explained, so far the PMOD is apparently overunity (35 mw in - 78 mw out). Please be careful to differentiate "self running" from "overunity". "Self running" is far more impressive than "overunity" since there can be no doubt if a device runs indefinitely. Given your experience with the self running SMOT I can understand your extrapolation to the PMOD, but the PMOD is not there yet. I ordered some AMIDON ferrite cores; manganese-zinc rod with permeability=850, used for low frequency antennas in the 1 Khz to 1 Mhz range, and E-core with permeability=2000. Is your current version of PMOG really self-running, or is it overunity ? You said the 78 mw out was noisy. How did you accurately measure it ? Tim Vaughan ( tv@juno.com ) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 14 15:59:26 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id PAA06801; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 15:57:32 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 15:57:32 -0700 Message-ID: <3443F83D.BD7D84FA@microtronics.com.au> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 08:24:54 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: List Server Vortex Subject: Re: PMOD Test Comments part 2 References: <199710140609.XAA03737@norway.it.earthlink.net> <3.0.1.32.19971014070529.0069b7e0@palacenet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"fUpVt3.0.rf1.OZ_Gq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1350 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Jack DeMule wrote: > > Hi PMOD folk, > > As I sit here in my freezing room, because I haven't > turned the heat on yet..no free energy...:) > I've observed..... > > No effort was made to select the _smallest_ mosfet > that would support the current and voltage required > (with due regard to on resistance.) This is important > for reduction of the parasitic capacitance and (when > fast transition times are desired) reduction in the > gate drive requirements. The IRF510 I am using has just that and specs out at 20ns on and 20ns off. By samples do better than that. > The effect of the miller capacitance was apparently > neglected in arriving at the gate drive requirements. > Also, its generally a good practice to require about 7-8V > minimum as gate drive, but I'd use a minimum supply voltage > of 12-18V. Since the voltage an exponential function... The four 74AC244 gates do an excellent job of driving the IRF510 gate. It would be nice to have a higher drive voltage, but the very high source / sink capability of the 74AC244 makes up for it. Ther are designed to drive data and address busses very quickly. > If you want a drive circuit that really, really, works... > use a tiny mosfet totem pole, say, an IRF110 and IRFD110, > driven by a CD4049B (all of it's inverters in parallel.) I believe the 74AC244's are superior. I just 4 in parallel. > Unless you are driving mosfets in parallel, a gate resistor > is unnecessary and it's actually detrimental in obtaining fast > transition times. Correct. > My belief is that the initial non-inductive current spike is > due to charging the parasitic capacitance of the coil > _and it's environment_, not magnetic domain inertia. > But as always, that's just my interpretation of the data...I > could be wrong. The initial current pulse does have elements of coil cap charge in there, no doubt about it. But with the domains in the rod unaligned, the coil will, in the first 10-50ns, not sense the ferrite rod and will act as a air coil with very little inductance. As the current ramp is related to the inductance, you will get a very quick initial current ramp, partly due to the low inductance of the coil and partly due to the coils capacitance (I wind the coil with a wire diameter spacing to reduce coil capacitance). As the domains start to align, their aligning domains start generating a B field which will induce a back Emf into the coil and drive the current down to zero and below. The area of interest here is the time it takes for the back Emf to appear and drive the current negative. The Ferrite Critical Reaction Time is that time from the initial current rise until the current starts being driven down negative. That effect is the domain reaction time and we need to set the coil drive width to that time. We want the coil current to stop as the domains start delivering a B field. That way we can trap the B field in another coil and extract energy from the aligning and still moving domains avalanches. ALL ferrites have a upper frequency limit. Its in any data book or the examples on my site. The H to B field phasing is also a real effect and any text on interference suppression will talk about the "Loss Angle" which is also related to frequency. > Best Regards, > JD Hi Jack, I hope you find the above usefull. Soungs like you have some design experience. Any more ideas as to how to reduce coil capacitance? I am reducing my coil to 10 turns to check out the effect of reduced coil cap and increased current ramp due to a smaller initial inductance. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 14 16:04:20 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id QAA17507; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 16:01:48 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 16:01:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3443F997.5C348420@microtronics.com.au> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 08:30:39 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: List Server Vortex Subject: Re: PMOD Test Comments part 2 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"r4sYM1.0.NH4.Od_Gq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1351 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Richard Austin wrote: > > Instead of checking with an oscilloscope to know the parameters of the ferrite (in order to tweak the pulse length etc.), couldn't you just rectify and then measure the output from a secondary and tweak for maximum output by adjusting pulse width and re petition rate for maximum output? This would eliminate having to know anything ahead of time about the ferrite characteristics. It would be easy and not even require a scope! > > Richard Austin -- email: richarda@icx.net -- radio: KG7SU > Check out the Institute for Planetary Renewal at http://user.icx.net/~richarda Hi Richard, Excellent idea. Will check it out. Guess I am just a step by step kind of guy. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 14 16:23:16 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id QAA13700; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 16:17:49 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 16:17:49 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971014181825.006a22c4@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 18:18:25 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: Re: PMOD Test Comments part 2 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"g440O2.0.sL3.Rs_Gq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1352 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 17:13 10/14/97 +0000, Frank wrote: >> circuit for the PMOD -just another coil and rectifiers. Hopefully the output >> isn't too high a frequency, Motorola states their Schottky rectifiers, which >> don't have a reverse recovery time, lose about 70% of their rectification >> efficiency at 2MHz due to RF conduction through the reverse capacitance. >Why Schottky's? Under the assumed name of hot carrier diode, Shottkys work quite well as rectifiers at frequencies in the tens of Gigahertz. Why Schotty's? Their lower Vf means better rectification efficiency, as well as their low stored charge. Other schemes like synchronous rectification require power, and are only advantageous at high currents, or very low voltages. Someone mentioned rotor rectification a few posts back.... In the early years,vibrator type rectifiers were employed too. and they did have solid state rectifiers like galena, iron pyrites, and copper oxide. Later came carborundum, and selenium. None are very efficient by todays standards. Best Regards, JD PS....Fred, I did try to unwind a Metglass core to obtain the material for building a magnetic diode. No joy.... Metglass is very brittle, and I was only able to get a few flat slivers to play with. I will test for the coercive force vs core current effect, though. ---------------------------------------------------- "Somewhere between anticipation and nostalgia we should have been happy." -Too Much Coffee Man #1 E-mail to mules@palacenet.net ---------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 14 17:21:11 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id RAA31440; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 17:20:43 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 17:20:43 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971014192125.006a4730@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 19:21:25 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: Re: PMOD Test Comments part 2 In-Reply-To: <3443F83D.BD7D84FA@microtronics.com.au> References: <199710140609.XAA03737@norway.it.earthlink.net> <3.0.1.32.19971014070529.0069b7e0@palacenet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"28YP-.0.7h7.Pn0Hq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1353 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Howdy PMOD folk, At 08:24 10/15/97 +0930, Greg wrote: >The IRF510 I am using has just that and specs out at 20ns on and 20ns >off. By samples do better than that. Why not an IRFD014? 14Apk at 60V, 0.2 Ohm Rdson And only 11nC total gate charge. >The four 74AC244 gates do an excellent job of driving the IRF510 >gate. It would be nice to have a higher drive voltage, but the very >high source / sink capability of the 74AC244 makes up for it. Ther >are designed to drive data and address busses very quickly. Since the voltage rises exponentially, even with a perfect switch, higher drive voltages are always helpful. >> If you want a drive circuit that really, really, works... >> use a tiny mosfet totem pole, say, an IRF110 and IRFD110, >> driven by a CD4049B (all of it's inverters in parallel.) > >I believe the 74AC244's are superior. I just 4 in parallel. I've always found mosfet totem poles to work best, occasionally in combination with some wound magnetics. Whatever works is cool. >ALL ferrites have a upper frequency limit. Its in any data book or >the examples on my site. The H to B field phasing is also a real >effect and any text on interference suppression will talk about the >"Loss Angle" which is also related to frequency. Well, yes...it's the phase displacement between the flux density and the field strength, divided by the initial permeability. Which is related to the ratio of the real (reactive) and imaginary (resistive) parts. It's the reciprocal of Q The losses would be a straight line if not for the spin precession, aka ferrimagnetic resonance. I imagine the losses due to the domains acting like gyroscopes....with crummy pivot bearings. :) >Hi Jack, > >I hope you find the above usefull. Soungs like you have some design >experience. Yes, thank you. I've looked at the current and voltage waveforms associated with ferrite core memory, using a sampling scope with over 12Ghz bandwidth. But I never thought about the effect that alignment of the domains might have in that context. Sorta...going on 20 years. Most of it designing SMPS, high energy pulse generators, and power rf...and a few years designing stuff with ECL. >Any more ideas as to how to reduce coil capacitance? > >I am reducing my coil to 10 turns to check out the effect of reduced >coil cap and increased current ramp due to a smaller initial >inductance. Several wraps of tape over the core before winding the coil. Multi section windings (several turns close spaced, then a few turns with a lot of spacing, followed by more close spaced windings.) I also like to wind stuff like this bifilar, using a chalk line cord, or fishing line, as the second "wire." I then strip it off, leaving behind an evenly spaced winding. Best Regards, JD ---------------------------------------------------- "Somewhere between anticipation and nostalgia we should have been happy." -Too Much Coffee Man #1 E-mail to mules@palacenet.net ---------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 14 17:23:22 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id RAA32365; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 17:22:56 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 17:22:56 -0700 X-Sender: leoguitar@mail.vossnet.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, newman-l@emachine.com From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: http://www.overunity.de/over.htm updated on the 15th ! Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 02:27:38 +0100 Message-Id: <19971015022738.227599e2.in@pop3.vossnet.de> Resent-Message-ID: <"D2X3a1.0.Vv7.Up0Hq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1354 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi, I added the Hans Coler research papers thanks to Johnny from Sweden which relate to Barckhausen oscillation and TEP and PMOD work and added new links. http://www.overunity.de/over.htm Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 14 18:00:08 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id RAA11389; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 17:59:42 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 17:59:42 -0700 Message-Id: Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Frank C. Earl" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 17:13:06 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: PMOD still running ? Specs please. Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.42a) Resent-Message-ID: <"f_cuV1.0.en2.yL1Hq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1355 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > Voltages were different. I'm still missing something here... Why couldn't you make a DC-DC converter for the output and feed the converter output back into the driver circuit? My electronics skills are a little rusty (Since I'm a software engineer by trade, I don't often get into doing EE type work...)- would a small DC-DC converter burn up all the power surplus? > Exact specs will always be a problem. Each ferrite I tested was > different. I'll bet that it's because of the 3D nature of the domain avalanche, right? > It worked and I think I understood why. It was not until I joined > FreeNrg & Vortex that I started to learn that what I had done was of > interest to others. Well, it's definitely of interest to me. Dallas/Ft. Worth is a smoggy place nowadays. Anything that could be used to change that here and elsewhere is of REAL interest to me. OU is a way of achieving that. > I still believe there are MANY working OU devices in existence. As do I. But until someone shows that it CAN be done and reveals the "secret" so that anyone can verify the physics of it, most of the world's going to go on about it's merry business, thinking that it can't be done and thereby going on the same path we're on right now. I don't like that thought. Someone needs to fling down the gauntlet somehow and not keep the secret to themselves. I suspect that we've missed out on a lot because of people keeping things to themselves. > All of the theory is there. There is a lot of practical advise to > come yet. PMOD devices can be built today, but practical devices push > the envelope in some areas. Thats why I believe I will need a single > chip Cpu to run the system. I understand (at least I *think* I do!) the theory, and I'm now working towards reproducing the experiments. I can't wait to see the practical advice. Single chip CPU? So it's that dynamic? That would be a good reason why nobody found it until now. > Most texts on switch mode design show the initial current surge. I > some cases it is causes by a freewheeling diode that is conducting as > the fet turns on. All I did was discover that the initial pulse is > there with NO freewheeling diodes or snubbers. I then spent time to > really investigate what was happening during that first few 10s of > ns. Maybe the statement in ALL design books that this current pulse > is caused by a conduction diode and stopped all others from looking > behind the curtain. Serendipity. Pure and simple. More often than not someone finds something anomalous and simply designs it away rather than pursuing it- you appear to have not. By the way, I don't think you ever indicated this but, what prompted you to follow this direction? > Its easy only the control systems are developed. Which I'm interested in the development thereof. > Find someone with a fast scope. Or get your local scope agent to let > you trial a 100Mhz unit for a few weeks. Well, I'd like to own one somehow- they're just too useful in general. So I think I'll go looking for some deals on those. > Thanks for the input, I hope the above helps. Yes it does- Thanks! -- Frank C. Earl Earl Consulting Services ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Pursuant to USC 47, there is a $500 per incident charge for each and every piece of Unsolicited Commercial Email (UCE) sent to this or any of my other addresses. Sending UCE's to any of my addresses implys general acceptance of these terms. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 14 18:28:29 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id SAA18559; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 18:27:42 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 18:27:42 -0700 Message-Id: <199710150126.XAA19996@bigbox.plug-in.com.br> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Marcelo Puhl" To: Dave Dameron Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 22:52:13 -3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: switched parametric test Reply-to: mark@plug-in.com.br CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Priority: normal In-reply-to: <199710142216.PAA23701@denmark.it.earthlink.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Resent-Message-ID: <"tVe-83.0.uX4.Dm1Hq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1357 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > > I wired my first 2-toroid transformer (primary powered, not just the sec. > switched) and they showed a amazing lack of resonance! The toroids are the > type used in switching power supplies, I used 25 turns on each for the pri. > and sec. What kind did you try? I have canibalized some PC power supplies and used those yellow painted toroids from the output filter coil. They have an Al around 150. Wound 16 turns, attached a 2,2 uF cap and measured the resonance with an audio generator plus osciloscope with a series resistor. I got something around 20 kHz. > The 2 primaries were wired in series and the > sec's were wired opposing across a capacitor 0.01 and 0.1uF. The output was > about 5% of a single sec.- about as best a balance one could expect with 25 > turns. The sec. waveforms looked like +/- decaying spikes - sort of like the > "poover-TEP" photos with low freq square wave input and as the frequency is > increased, the +/- pulses begin to overlap (200kHz), then turn into a near > sine wave, then fall off rapidly in amplitude as the frequency is further > increased. The primary waveform has a large back EMF spike, of course, when the > current is switched off (with a mosfet). The same here, but with a senoidal output at f, 2f, 3f and so on. > I also couldn't find any resonant > peak with only one toroid, so maybe the ferrite isn't the right kind - such > as used in ferrite beads?? With a single toroid transformer, the pulse peaks > are about 5 volts with a 6 volt supply, that is, an 1:1 turns ratio, and > .25V when 2 are wired opposing. > -Dave > I guess your toroid are resonating at a lower frequency. Try to measure its inductance or use a known capacitor and the audio generator to find the correct resonance. Marcelo From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 14 18:29:32 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id SAA23726; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 18:26:57 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 18:26:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710150126.XAA20000@bigbox.plug-in.com.br> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Marcelo Puhl" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 23:26:56 -3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: PMOD Test Comments part 2 Reply-to: mark@plug-in.com.br Priority: normal In-reply-to: <3443F83D.BD7D84FA@microtronics.com.au> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Resent-Message-ID: <"5KphD2.0.bo5.Tl1Hq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1356 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > > The initial current pulse does have elements of coil cap charge in > there, no doubt about it. But with the domains in the rod unaligned, > the coil will, in the first 10-50ns, not sense the ferrite rod and > will act as a air coil with very little inductance. As the current > ramp is related to the inductance, you will get a very quick initial > current ramp, partly due to the low inductance of the coil and partly > due to the coils capacitance (I wind the coil with a wire diameter > spacing to reduce coil capacitance). As the domains start to align, > their aligning domains start generating a B field which will induce a > back Emf into the coil and drive the current down to zero and below. > > The area of interest here is the time it takes for the back Emf to > appear and drive the current negative. > > The Ferrite Critical Reaction Time is that time from the initial > current rise until the current starts being driven down negative. What is this reaction time for another core material like iron or steel ? Is this feature only related to ferrite cores ? > That effect is the domain reaction time and we need to set the coil > drive width to that time. We want the coil current to stop as the > domains start delivering a B field. That way we can trap the B field > in another coil and extract energy from the aligning and still moving > domains avalanches. Ok, but what's wrong with a wide pulse, say 100nS ? Marcelo From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 14 18:57:23 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id SAA28154; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 18:56:43 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 18:56:43 -0700 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 21:57:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199710150157.VAA27793@mail.wincom.net> X-Sender: wood@mail.wincom.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: wood Subject: Re: Hi Patrick Resent-Message-ID: <"CKB3u.0.it6.PB2Hq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1358 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 11:40 AM 10/11/97 -0700, you wrote: >I am new to the Web and just sort of groping my way around. I found you >from Bill Beaty's mail list. His site seems to be very good; any others >you can recommend. I would particularly like to connect with local >people who are interested in collaborating on projects here in Felton. > >Sincerely, Lee Louden > > Check out the weird science list. I agree with Patrick that it is an underused list not living up to its potential. Lets all meet on the weirdscience list and see if we can come up with an experiment to work on a one project several minds kind of thing.My personal interest at the moment is the Adams motor and Muller motor Woody From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 14 19:24:49 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id TAA01963; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 19:23:26 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 19:23:26 -0700 From: steve-nyeoka@juno.com To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: radiactive saturn probe Message-ID: <19971014.221307.2295.0.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> References: <199710140008.UAA22734@mail.wincom.net> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2,5-6,9-11 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 22:11:26 EDT Resent-Message-ID: <"WSqv31.0.aU.Ta2Hq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1359 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 13 Oct 1997 20:08:33 -0400 (EDT) wood writes: > The challenger was totally destroyed because the main tank exploded right beside >the shuttle notbehind it.The explosion below would not be as devastating and >would not vapourize the plutonium. > I recall that the challenger crew compartment remained intact after the blast, and three of the crew actually activated their emergency air supply. Just thought you would like to know... Steve Heckman From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 14 19:43:36 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id TAA28254; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 19:43:21 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 19:43:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <34445658.3F78@tiac.net> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 22:36:25 -0700 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Coler experiments References: <199710140845.BAA17224@mail1.halcyon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"5pnS9.0.Mv6.6t2Hq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1361 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Fred Epps wrote: > > Hi Dave! > The core current idea definitely need to be tested. As you know, I did a > lot of library research on that aspect of it and there is definitely > something to the idea that the L of the coil could be changed by a core > current. With the proper material a lot more than the inductance can be > changed, I read studies that showed that magnetized amorphous metals would > lose all of their coercive force with even a small core current for > instance. Core currents will eliminate barkhausen noise in some cases. It > is a very interesting area that almost no-one is researching. There are > only about 20 papers in existence on the topic of core currents, which is a > very small number compared to a big subject like the mating habits of the > black rhino :-) Maybe a Barkhausen effect pulse in one coil could apply a core current to prevent Barkhausen transitions in a second core. Between pulses, Barkhausen effect transitions in this second core control the transitions in the first core in the same way. Perhaps something like this might be used to order the Barkhausen effect transitions into a more coherent source of energy? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 14 19:43:43 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id TAA10235; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 19:42:13 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 19:42:13 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971014203813.00baadf0@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 20:38:13 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: Re: switched parametric test In-Reply-To: <199710150126.XAA19996@bigbox.plug-in.com.br> References: <199710142216.PAA23701@denmark.it.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"zOTae2.0.qV2.3s2Hq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1360 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi all... Someone wrote: >I have canibalized some PC power supplies and used those yellow >painted toroids from the output filter coil. They have an Al around 150. Powdered Iron, I'll bet. Best Regards, JD --------------------------------------------------------------- "Our frightful gods have only changed their names-now they rhyme with "ism."" -Jung mules@palacenet.net --------------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 14 22:40:05 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id WAA26318; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 22:36:29 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 22:36:29 -0700 From: tv@juno.com To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 15:12:28 -0700 Subject: Re: PMOD still running ? Specs please. Message-ID: <19971014.223337.2854.5.tv@juno.com> References: <19971013173404.1b66bc75.in@pop3.vossnet.de> <34429541.F02FCB72@microtronics.com.au> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-4,6,8-11,13-15,17-18,21-29 Resent-Message-ID: <"SBAQj.0._Q6.SP5Hq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1362 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Greg, Thank You for your openness with regards to the SMOT, PMOD etc. It is refreshing. However, In one of your earlier posts you did say that the PMOD was "self running". This caused much excitement. However, As you just explained, so far the PMOD is apparently overunity (35 mw in - 78 mw out). Please be careful to differentiate "self running" from "overunity". "Self running" is far more impressive than "overunity" since there can be no doubt if a device runs indefinitely. Given your experience with the self running SMOT I can understand your extrapolation to the PMOD, but the PMOD is not there yet. I ordered some AMIDON ferrite cores; manganese-zinc rod with permeability=850, used for low frequency antennas in the 1 Khz to 1 Mhz range, and E-core with permeability=2000. Is your current version of PMOG really self-running, or is it overunity ? You said the 78 mw out was noisy. How did you accurately measure it ? Tim Vaughan ( tv@juno.com ) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 14 22:40:30 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id WAA26489; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 22:37:08 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 22:37:08 -0700 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 22:36:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710150536.WAA15826@denmark.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: PMOD Test Comments part 2 Resent-Message-ID: <"zlbh13.0.oT6.1Q5Hq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1363 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Frank and all, >Yeah, same story I have- I've a good 10Mhz scope but, I suspect that >most of the ferrites out there are going to have something like >50-300 MHz as the ringing frequency. I feel like I'm going to get >left out- and all for the want of a good Tek 100MHz scope! (God, I >miss the equipment we had in college physics...) > >> It appears that once the drive is set up, there is very little additional >> circuit for the PMOD -just another coil and rectifiers. Hopefully the output >> isn't too high a frequency, Motorola states their Schottky rectifiers, which >> don't have a reverse recovery time, lose about 70% of their rectification >> efficiency at 2MHz due to RF conduction through the reverse capacitance. > >Why Schottky's? > They have 2 advantages: Lower voltage drop, 0.5 volts vs. 0.8+ volts for a PN (non Schottky) diode. PN diodes have a reverse recovery time where current flows in the reverse direction when tha applied voltage reverses until the charges are removed. This limits the frequency the diode can be used. For a 1N4001 series diode, this can be 20uS. A fast recovery diode has a 200nS reverse recovery time. Others are much faster, <50nS. Schottky diodes don't have minority charges, or a reverse recovery time, so it's only their capacitance which limits the operation. Opps, I made a mistake, Motorola said the efficiency dropped to 70% of ideal at 2MHz, not what I said above. -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 14 23:06:51 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id XAA00660; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 23:02:57 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 23:02:57 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <34445658.3F78@tiac.net> References: Conversation <199710140845.BAA17224@mail1.halcyon.com> with last message <34445658.3F78@tiac.net> Priority: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 To: "Free Energy" , "Bob Shannon" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Fred Epps" Subject: Re: Coler experiments Date: Tue, 14 Oct 97 18:47:45 PDT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"gzksj1.0.8A.Fo5Hq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1364 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Bob! Long time no hear from! (Could you post this message to the list, I can't do it from my old computer) > Core currents will eliminate barkhausen noise in some cases. > > Maybe a Barkhausen effect pulse in one coil could apply a core current > to prevent Barkhausen transitions in a second core. Between pulses, > Barkhausen effect transitions in this second core control the > transitions in the first core in the same way. > > Perhaps something like this might be used to order the Barkhausen effect > transitions into a more coherent source of energy? Wouldn't that simply reduce the number of transitions in each core by half? I did a cursory lit search on Barkhausen noise and turned up plenty of papers on the idea that magnetic domains are self-organizing systems a la Prigogine (non-equilibrium thermodynamics). This seems to be well-established. I also looked at a number of papers showing that noise in a system can make transitions to higher ordered states more likely (or require less energy, take your pick). I put together the speculative idea that these solid-state magnetic devices that depend on domain transitions like your Barkhausen battery, Greg's PMOD, and maybe the VTA (duck and cover! :-) are based on this one principle: The magnetic domains are a self-organizing system, non-equilibrium system. The flow of energy which maintains them above the equilibrium state is thermal noise energy in the domain atoms. This energy makes the transition to a more coherent magnetic state occur more easily than the equilibrium thermodynamics would suggest. Under certain circumstances, this can show up as an overunity energy output, when either 1) No energy is applied to the domains and thermal energy causes the domain transitions- note that this does not exclude the possibility that a source of scalar energy can also cause these transitions. (the Barkhausen battery) 2) an energy pulse is applied that is shorter than the time for domain rotation (the PMOD) I'm not exactly sure how my thoery would explain this but it shares the idea of short, small amounts of applied energy. 3) The domains are modified so that they form magnetic bubbles which then move more readily under the influence of a magnetic field because of the thermal energy, and this movement is then converted parametrically into a current (the VTA detector being noninductive). BTW, I consider the VTA one of those ideas that if it HASN'T been invented, it SHOULD be, it's a perfectly reasonable idea using bubble domains to move fields around. Perhaps the energy is not thermal but "x" energy, because as far as I know no one except Sweet has detected cooling with these devices, but in any case the idea is that the almost living nature of the magnetic domains sucks up fluctuation energy of some sort from the environment. Now by implication there is a third way of accomplishing this process, like a cross between the PMOD and the Barkhausn battery, but easier to do than either (only easier than the Barkhausen battery because the point is usable power rather than proving the existence of scalar waves so the shielding can be discarded). This would be: 4) Using a very low-frequency, low amplitude signal in a coil around a Barkhausen core to continually move the material back and forth through a single transition. This would be like a stimulated Barkhausen battery. The trick would be to find a source for the signal that wouldn't eat up more power than the gadget produced. Maybe you could do a rotational generator where a very weak magnet would rotate relative to a barkhausen core? Or vice versa? (Could you post this message to the list, I can't do it from my old computer) Talk to you later, Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 15 01:13:24 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA03947; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 01:10:43 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 01:10:43 -0700 Message-Id: <199710150810.KAA23540@sdn5.csc.dk> From: i3683@csc.dk (I3683) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 11:01:00 CDT Subject: Ang.: Re: 3Q*v against Q*3v MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id BAA03927 Resent-Message-ID: <"8JTPF2.0.az.2g7Hq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1365 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Some references relating to the fields around non-neutral conductors: James Clerk Maxwell, A Treatise on Electricity & Magnetism, (1891) Part IV, Electromagnetism, Chapter XIX Comparison of the electrostatic with the electromagnetic units, Article 770 Current by convection. Henry Rowland, American Journal of Science [3],XV,30-38, (1878). Rowland and Hutchinson, Phil. Mag. 27.445 (1887). Roentgen, Wied. Ann. 40.93. Himstedt, Wied. Ann. 40. 720. Edward M. Purcell, Berkeley Physics Course (1963),Volume 2, Chapter 5 and 6. See especially chapter 6.7: How the fields transform (for a moving observer). Stefan Marinov, Classical Physics, (1981) Part V, Electromagnetism, Chapters IV and V. Regards, Anders From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 15 10:13:53 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA15305; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 10:13:17 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 10:13:17 -0700 Message-ID: <34452368.5C84@motown.lmco.com> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 13:11:20 -0700 From: francis x roarty Reply-To: froarty@motown.lmco.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: dropping an oar into the ether References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"_kW-n2.0.2l3.hcFHq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1366 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi All, Probably a crazy thought but might evolve if kicked around a little; antigravity and to some extent free energy are hindered by the reaction laws: Our solar system moves through the ether at astronomical speeds without resistance, Our magnetic fields redirect but I do not believe they effect the density of this medium( flux lines/area more like the velocity with which space is directed into the core to keep the "density" of space constant). What if we designed a solid sphere of coiled core material that directed flux in opposing directions for each layer? Could we "capture" some of the ether or at least effect its "pressure" within this sphere? If we can develop something that resists the natural motion of atomic material through the relatively stationary fabric of space we will have the "oar" to dip into the "water". Francis X Roarty From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 15 10:23:54 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA19461; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 10:23:29 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 10:23:29 -0700 Message-Id: <199710151722.PAA15042@bigbox.plug-in.com.br> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Marcelo Puhl" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 15:23:30 -3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: The Controlled Inductor Reply-to: mark@plug-in.com.br Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Resent-Message-ID: <"VbqeX1.0.dl4.CmFHq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1367 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I found this very interesting : 1. Take two identical ferrite toroid cores and wind two identical coils on them. 2. Put the cores togheter and wind another coil on them as they are JUST ONE large core. This coil is the control coil. 3. By conecting the two separated coil in anti-phase their inductance can be controlled by applying some DC current on the second coil. I guess this is a variation of the parametric transformer. Also, seems the bigger Al cores give the larger inductance variation. Marcelo From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 15 10:24:18 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA29381; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 10:23:56 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 10:23:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710151723.PAA15072@bigbox.plug-in.com.br> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Marcelo Puhl" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 15:23:30 -3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Coler experiments Reply-to: mark@plug-in.com.br Priority: normal In-reply-to: References: <34445658.3F78@tiac.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Resent-Message-ID: <"lvrLU2.0.zA7.fmFHq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1368 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > > 4) Using a very low-frequency, low amplitude signal in a coil around a > Barkhausen core to continually move the material back and forth through a > single transition. This would be like a stimulated Barkhausen battery. Where could I find the Barkhausen battery description ? Marcelo From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 15 10:24:36 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA19913; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 10:24:10 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 10:24:10 -0700 Message-Id: <199710151722.PAA15046@bigbox.plug-in.com.br> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Marcelo Puhl" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 15:23:30 -3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Scalar Battery Charger Reply-to: mark@plug-in.com.br Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Resent-Message-ID: <"ksEVS.0.bs4.rmFHq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1369 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I'm doing experiments with the JLN circuit. The only results I got were a discharged battery... I'l try to change the motor by an inductor. Any ideas ? Or this thing doesn't work at all ? Marcelo From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 15 11:52:54 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA05018; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 11:52:15 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 11:52:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <34452C86.4E49@sunherald.infi.net> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 13:50:15 -0700 From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" Reply-To: stk@sunherald.infi.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: dropping an oar into the ether References: <34452368.5C84@motown.lmco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"c6xPj.0.HE1.Q3HHq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1370 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: francis x roarty wrote: > > Hi All, > Probably a crazy thought but might evolve if kicked around a little; > antigravity and to some extent free energy are hindered by the reaction > laws: Our solar system moves through the ether at astronomical speeds > without resistance, Our magnetic fields redirect but I do not believe > they effect the density of this medium( flux lines/area more like the > velocity with which space is directed into the core to keep the > "density" of space constant). What if we designed a solid sphere of > coiled core material that directed flux in opposing directions for each > layer? Could we "capture" some of the ether or at least effect its > "pressure" within this sphere? If we can develop something that resists > the natural motion of atomic material through the relatively stationary > fabric of space we will have the "oar" to dip into the "water". > > Francis X Roarty This is a fascinating idea! I remember an e-mail I receieved about a year ago regarding something similar. I'll see if I can dig it up and post it. Keep working on this, as it could hold great potential. Kyle Mcallister From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 15 14:43:19 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA16264; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 14:42:01 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 14:42:01 -0700 Message-ID: <344536FE.BF01E074@ctv.es> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 23:34:55 +0200 From: Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga Reply-To: vramos@ctv.es X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mark@plug-in.com.br CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Scalar Battery Charger X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199710151722.PAA15046@bigbox.plug-in.com.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Biz4-.0._z3.eYJHq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1371 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Marcelo Puhl wrote: > I'm doing experiments with the JLN circuit. > > The only results I got were a discharged battery... > > I'l try to change the motor by an inductor. > > Any ideas ? Or this thing doesn't work at all ? > > Marcelo Hi, Marcelo I tried this thing few months ago... and the "Tesla Switch" version too. Don't work. But the question is ... Why must work? Which principle is based? You can see my circuit diagram on my page. Vicente. -- Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga E-mail: vramos@ctv.es Home Page: http://www.ctv.es/USERS/vramos/home.htm Burriana (Castellon) SPAIN From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 15 14:59:33 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA28056; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 14:58:37 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 14:58:37 -0700 (PDT) From: tjb@hemp.co.nz Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 10:57:14 +1300 (NZDT) Message-Id: <199710152157.KAA02688@icarus.ihug.co.nz> X-Sender: jinshan1@pop.ihug.co.nz X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: dropping an oar into the ether Resent-Message-ID: <"sc2T21.0.Gs6.9oJHq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1372 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >Our solar system moves through the ether at astronomical speeds >without resistance I realise that this is a current belief, but can someone please inform me as to how exactly and when this has been *measured*? Of course it has been *calculated* based on the modern world view, but actually measured? Wasn't that the problem with the historical ether drift experiments, that they couldn't provide a measure of the earth's motion, thus giving rise to relativity doctrine? I am aware of the report that Dayton Miller measured an apparent ether drift showing the earth to be moving in the general direction of Canopus at approx 10km/sec (actual) and 200km/sec (calculated) [The Ether-drift Experiment and the Determination of the Absolute Motion of the Earth; Miller, Dayton C.; Nature, 133:162-164, 1934]. I am not "up" on any later experiments and would appreciate if anyone on this list can provide more recent experimental data. While appearing slightly off the free energy subject it is still quite important to it as world view affects scientific endeavour in a paramount fashion, and for free energy to eventuate people must overcome the limitations of the modern scientific view. Cheers, Thomas Brown tjb@hemp.co.nz Thomas J. Brown tjb@hemp.co.nz California & Pacific Hemp Company Ltd http://www.hemp.co.nz/ P.O. Box 60345 phone: 64 9 817-9480 Titirangi, Auckland fax: 64 9 817-9409 New Zealand mobile: 64 25 853-391 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 15 15:48:41 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA02025; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 15:48:12 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 15:48:12 -0700 From: steve-nyeoka@juno.com To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: PMOD Test Comments part 2 Message-ID: <19971015.184150.6991.4.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> References: <199710140609.XAA03737@norway.it.earthlink.net> <3.0.1.32.19971014070529.0069b7e0@palacenet.net> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-13,18-21,23-24,28-29,31-33 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 18:41:04 EDT Resent-Message-ID: <"a9rwm3.0.RV.eWKHq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1373 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Tue, 14 Oct 1997 07:05:29 -0500 Jack DeMule writes: >Hi PMOD folk, > > >Unless you are driving mosfets in parallel, a gate resistor >is unnecessary and it's actually detrimental in obtaining fast >transition times. > > >Best Regards, >JD > Jack has made a good point about circuit resistances. The origional IBM PC used 33 ohm resisters on several control signal lines to reduce RFI on the circuit board (meaning that it cut the high freq component out of the square waves). Greg made a similar point on suggesting a smaller resister to measure current ('and let the scope do the work!) Now I have two questions both on PMOD and TEP... 1. How critical is the actual coil dimentions and number of turns? Has anyone tried torroids in the later versions? 2. Since the note to the TEP ver 4.21 mentions that a cap. connected to the output will gain it's charge immediately, has anyone tried to use a pair of caps, and let one charge while the second is discharding into a load (and the reverse them)? I have been gathering parts to build a TEP ver 4, and you guys have left me in the dust! Steve Heckman From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 15 15:53:22 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA03754; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 15:53:03 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 15:53:03 -0700 Message-Id: <34455706.7A6B@tu-bs.de> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 00:51:34 +0100 From: Tameer Hohnsbein Reply-To: T.Hohnsbein@tu-bs.de Organization: Technische Universität Braunschweig X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold [de] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "freenrg-l@eskimo.com" Subject: e-mail server was down, please send again Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"OgBHi1.0.Mw.CbKHq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1374 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi all, Sadly the mail server of the Uni Braunschweig crashed on monday and it took until today to make it run again. Many e-mails have been written into the WOM (write only memory). So if you sent something to me during the last three days, please send it again, I didn't get it. Thanks Tameer -- Tameer Hohnsbein, Hagenring 80, 38106 Braunschweig, Germany E-Mail: T.Hohnsbein@tu-bs.de phone : ++49 531 / 335348 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 15 16:01:33 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA06774; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 16:01:10 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 16:01:10 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971015175400.006a37a4@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 17:54:00 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: Magneitc core dimensional resonance effects Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"O-D102.0.cf1.riKHq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1375 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi PMOD folk, all, I was paging through the proceedings of HFPC 95 and noticed a paper by Bruce Carsten "Why The magnetics Designer Should Measure Core Loss; With A Survey Of Loss Measurement Techniques And A Low Cost, High Accuracy Alternative." Long title, but Bruce writes in a concise, easy to understand, manner...I always stop to read his work. This bit struck a resonant cord with some PMOD stuff I've been churning around in my head..;) "7)Dimensional Resonance Effects. The purported dimensional resonance effect would be caused by the delayed propagation of electromagnetic fields into a ferrite. With reflections from the opposite surface, resonances would occur at frequencies where the ferrite becomes multiple half wavelengths thick. At these frequencies losses are said to soar and/or impedance drop considerably and fairly suddenly. >From what I observed, the effects were usually claimed for NiZn Ferrites used for EMI suppression, and the frequencies involved were typically in the MHz to tens of MHz band. If dimensional resonance effects _do_ exist, they would also be complexly dependant on core size, shape and composition. If this is the case, materials like Fair-Rite #42, 43, 44, 61, 65, 67, and 68, might be best for PMOD (Amidon sells some of these materials I believe) Mix 42 has the highest permeability with a ui of 2100. I'd be tempted to try this one first, but it's only supplied as absorber tiles. Mix #43 with a ui of 850 is second highest, and is available in the form of bobbins, but only small ones...:-\ I checked the MMG catalog, which has a large selection antenna rods...these parts seem to have ui between 220 and 12. I hope you find this is helpful. Best Regards, JD ---------------------------------------------------- "Somewhere between anticipation and nostalgia we should have been happy." -Too Much Coffee Man #1 E-mail to mules@palacenet.net ---------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 15 17:25:26 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA10382; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 17:25:03 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 17:25:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 02:28:04 +0200 Message-Id: <199710160028.CAA15613@beta.vossnet.de> X-Sender: leoguitar@mail.vossnet.de (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, newman-l@emachine.com From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: www.overunity.de updated on the 16th ! Resent-Message-ID: <"jAjda.0.6Y2.RxLHq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1376 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi, it is getting hot with the cloosed loop circuit ! http://www.overunity.de/over.htm Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 15 17:26:04 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA26107; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 17:25:23 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 17:25:23 -0700 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 02:28:07 +0200 Message-Id: <199710160028.CAA15616@beta.vossnet.de> X-Sender: leoguitar@mail.vossnet.de (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=====================_876994049==_" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, newman-l@emachine.com From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: TEP cloosed loop proposal circuit from Dieter Bauer X-Attachments: C:\OVER4\TEP\BTEPCL01.GIF; Resent-Message-ID: <"eNqWW.0.qN6.oxLHq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1377 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: --=====================_876994049==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I am posting this for Dieter Bauer. Have a clooser look at www.overunity.de for more background info on the TEP. ______________________________ Hi all ! I have now a strategy how to build a self running TEP which I want to post here. I give no warranty that it will work. phase I: trying to increase the the up-spike amplitude in TEP 6.21 circuit and to decrease the down-spike. This can be done by * increasing the coil inductances * choosing an appropriate waveform to control the basis of the coil switching transistor, i.e. fast for the energy winning spike, slow for the efficiency depressing spike * choosing a fast transistor * making the current as high as possible as allowed for linear permeability of the ferrit * reducing parasitic capacities of coils and other components phase II: If we get a overunity efficiency sufficient to overcome the losses it makes sense to try the energy feedback. Therefore I attached a drawing BTEPCL01.GIF which I refer on in the following: The energy winning part of this circuit is at the coils L1 and L2 switched on and off by F3. By appropriate choosing the duty cycle and if possible the form of the waveform, the energy winning spikes can be selected and optimized. Instead of the resistor R8 in Jean Louis Naudins circuit I set two parallel transformers which work at much higher frequency than the TEP is switched and shift the energy out from the circuit on the other side (I do not know exactly whether this will work, I have not too much experience). The secondary of these can be switched in the winding number by the transistors T1 - T6 in order to regulate the voltage. The AC current of both secondaries is coupled into capacities which feed the circuit. The transistors at the secondaries are controled by a feedback loop. At Op1 compares the experimental with preset value of the circuit, at Op2 the signal will be integrated , at the Op3-5 the deviation from the preset is measured and given into the logic which decides which transistors have to be switched on and how much load can be given to the consumer load. 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Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com --=====================_876994049==_-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 15 21:27:29 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA19343; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 21:23:49 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 21:23:49 -0700 Message-Id: <199710160340.BAA09005@bigbox.plug-in.com.br> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Marcelo Puhl" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 01:41:18 -3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Scalar Battery Charger Reply-to: mark@plug-in.com.br CC: vramos@ctv.es Priority: normal In-reply-to: <344536FE.BF01E074@ctv.es> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Resent-Message-ID: <"yFHJ5.0.1k4.JRPHq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1378 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > Marcelo Puhl wrote: > > > I'm doing experiments with the JLN circuit. > > The only results I got were a discharged battery... > > I'l try to change the motor by an inductor. > > Any ideas ? Or this thing doesn't work at all ? > > > > Marcelo > > Hi, Marcelo > I tried this thing few months ago... and the "Tesla Switch" version too. > Don't work. > But the question is ... Why must work? Which principle is based? > You can see my circuit diagram on my page. > > Vicente. > > -- > Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga > E-mail: vramos@ctv.es > Home Page: http://www.ctv.es/USERS/vramos/home.htm > Burriana (Castellon) SPAIN > Maybe we need a coil instead of a motor as a load in series with the battery. That coil would be made resonant with the switching frequency. So, when the caps are in series, a high current flows to the battery thru the coil. When the current reaches zero, the caps are switched to paralel and the current flows from the battery thru the coil, SUMMING with the back-EMF generated at the coil. Again, when the current reaches zero, the caps are switched to series and the current flows TO the battery, summing with the back-EMF again. When the caps are in parallel, they will be charged with the back current generated at the coil, minimizing the battery voltage drop. Sounds possible ? Marcelo From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 15 22:21:38 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA29166; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 22:17:56 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 22:17:56 -0700 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 22:17:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710160517.WAA20559@germany.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: mrandall@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tjb@hemp.co.nz From: Michael Randall Subject: Re: dropping an oar into the ether Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Resent-Message-ID: <"ZvPLS2.0.Z77.2EQHq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1379 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Thomas, Just wanted to say that I really enjoyed reading and viewing your research developments that you accomplished while at Borderlands Labs and in the journal. Your breakthrough experiments into replicating Tesla's work in longitudinal electricity, as you demonstrated in the two Borderland video's, are classic's. Several researchers have even reproduced the LMD experiment that demonstrates that the magnetic and dielectric components of electricity are in space and time conjunction. Something that conventional EM theory says was only possible in space and time quadrature. I am still fascinated with Eric Dollard's Tesla Magnifying Transmitter of the photo (Borderlands 2nd Qtr '96) showing the electric discharge that looked like a tree! Wow! Did you and Eric do any other video's or have a write up on developing the LMD circuit for over-unity energy production? Was it possible? If so can you talk about it? Best Regards, Michael Randall From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 16 02:46:58 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id CAA00822; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 02:45:28 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 02:45:28 -0700 (PDT) From: JNaudin509@aol.com Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 05:44:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971016014508_-1025914418@emout08.mail.aol.com> To: mark@plug-in.com.br cc: vramos@ctv.es, freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re : Scalar Battery Charger Resent-Message-ID: <"b-v2W2.0.lC.r8UHq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1380 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On 15/10/1997 19:29:49 , Marcelo wrote : << I'm doing experiments with the JLN circuit. The only results I got were a discharged battery... I'l try to change the motor by an inductor. Any ideas ? Or this thing doesn't work at all ? Marcelo >> Hi Marcelo, The main problem is the stability of the battery charge, I think that this device must be used as a demonstrator purpose only but not in real operational use (power supply). Because the battery don't support the high peak of voltage and if the device is not properly tuned it may destroy the battery ( lost of its memory effect ). If the charger is correctly tuned it run as a scalar charger but it is difficult to tune correctly for long working time and unfortunately many of conventional lead acid batteries doesn't support this working mode for long time.... I hope that these informations will help you, Truly, Jean-Louis Naudin ( France / GMT+2 ) Email : JNaudin509@aol.com my Overunity WEB Server : http://members.aol.com/JNaudin509/ WWPager, UIN: 747846 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 16 03:41:53 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id DAA28221; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 03:41:23 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 03:41:23 -0700 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 12:44:42 +0200 Message-Id: <199710161044.MAA18655@beta.vossnet.de> X-Sender: leoguitar@mail.vossnet.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, newman-l@emachine.com From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: RE erratas: TEP cloosed loop proposal circuit from Dieter Bauer Resent-Message-ID: <"jv7BH2.0.su6.IzUHq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1381 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >---------------------------------------------------------------- > >>phase I: >>trying to increase the the up-spike amplitude in TEP 6.21 circuit and to >>decrease the down-spike. > >correct reference: www.overunity.de/poover/tep.htm > > >> The secondary of these can be switched in the winding number >>by the transistors T1 - T6 in order to regulate the voltage. > >transistor will not work, I meant TRIAC's or similar working semiconductor >component groups. > >Best regards > >Dieter Bauer -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 16 05:31:45 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id FAA13134; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 05:31:19 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 05:31:19 -0700 From: JNaudin509@aol.com Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 08:29:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971016082910_-694373618@emout12.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: TEP 8 - New design proposition Resent-Message-ID: <"HCBcE3.0.1D3.LaWHq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1382 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi All, The TEP Project is very dynamic at this time.... You will find the new TEP 8 design proposal at : http://members.aol.com/overunity4/html/tep80.htm All suggestions and ideas are welcome, Sincerely, ( sent at 12:26 GMT on 10/16/97 ) Jean-Louis Naudin ( France / GMT+2 ) Email : JNaudin509@aol.com my Overunity WEB Server : http://members.aol.com/JNaudin509/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 16 07:28:53 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA15950; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 07:28:36 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 07:28:36 -0700 Message-Id: <199710161425.QAA01149@smtp.apdo.com> From: "Christen Blom-Dahl" To: Subject: RE: TEP 8 - New design proposition Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 16:22:37 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"W-7Qn2.0.4v3.JIYHq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1383 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Jean-Louis wrote: > The TEP Project is very dynamic at this time.... > You will find the new TEP 8 design proposal at : > > http://members.aol.com/overunity4/html/tep80.htm > > All suggestions and ideas are welcome, > > Sincerely, Looking at your new design, I find a great paralelism with the design of the Floyd Sweet´s vacuum triode amplifier 'VTA'. I have extracted an excerpt of a longer document written by Walt Rosenthal describing the VTA. "The VTA consists of two 4" X 6" X .5" grade 5 or grade 8 ferrite magnets spaced 3 inches apart in the attractive orientation, with the output and drive coils in between. The output coils are wound with 20 gage magnet wire. Their axis is parallel to the magnetic lines of force between the two magnets. The two drive (or excitation) coil axes are positioned at 90 degrees to the output coil axis. The VTA excitation coils may be driven by the VTA output voltage or a separate sinewave oscillator source. The "SECRET" to the machine is the process that "conditions" the magnets. This conditioning process determines the output frequency and also prepares the machine for operation. The same machine could be just as well "told" to output 50 HZ or 400 HZ. The conditioning technique is so novel, it is doubtful anyone would ever guess how it is done.". Regards, Christen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 16 09:22:41 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA04353; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 09:22:19 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 09:22:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971016112234.00698f78@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 11:22:34 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: MMG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"uwycv3.0.o31.tyZHq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1384 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Dave, I don't have your addy at work...It's Magnetic Materials Group-Neosid, a very familiar name for RF guys. MMG-Neosid Icknield Way West Letchworth Hertfordshire SG6 4AS UK MMG-North America 126 Pennsylvania Ave. Patterson, New Jersy 07503 USA Best Regards, JD ---------------------------------------------------- "Somewhere between anticipation and nostalgia we should have been happy." -Too Much Coffee Man #1 E-mail to mules@palacenet.net ---------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 16 09:58:42 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA01891; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 09:58:27 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 09:58:27 -0700 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 19:00:30 +0200 Message-Id: <199710161700.TAA21861@beta.vossnet.de> X-Sender: leoguitar@mail.vossnet.de (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: JNaudin509@aol.com, fepps@mail1.halcyon.com, srae@mlb.planet.gen.nz, mrandall@earthlink.net, vramos@ctv.es, ddameron@earthlink.net, bauer.d@krypta.aball.de From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Overunity demonstration circuit ! Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, newman-l@emachine.com Resent-Message-ID: <"MwAna.0.NT.nUaHq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1385 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi, I had to today the idea, when I spoke with Dieter Bauer, that an overunity demonstration circuit could very easily be build: Take the circuit from JL in our proof of overunity article: www.overunity.de/poover/tep.htm and replace the load resistor R8 with a 12 Volts 20 Watts halogen lamp. Then use a bigger bifilar coil and power it with the 12 Volts battery. When you have the right spikes like in the scope pics in our article, you will see that the input power to reach the same light output will be much less than if you power the 12 Volts halogen lamp directly with just using the battery via DC input current! This way, maybe you will need just only 10 Watts input power to power the 20 Watts lamp. Maybe Jean Louis can quickly test this, instead jumping from one idea to the next one ???? :) This way, it could be very easy proved, that the additional energy is generated by the switched big interweaved coils ! When I have more time I will also try it soon. Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 16 12:29:30 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA11105; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 12:29:17 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 12:29:17 -0700 From: HLafonte@aol.com Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 15:28:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971016152715_-727403701@emout02.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Comment on Greg Watsons work Resent-Message-ID: <"TLltD2.0.Qj2.CicHq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1386 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: The developments in Greg Watson's research (PMOD, ect.) are what I believe, people have been looking for all along. I think the first truly self sustaining overunity device will come from Greg. This is starting to get very interesting and I think the next year is going to be a lot of fun for the overunity bunch. I have waited my whole life to see this develope (49 years). Thanks for sharing it all with us Greg. Butch LaFonte From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 16 14:27:51 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA29873; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 14:26:40 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 14:26:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 14:26:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710162126.OAA16671@italy.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: MMG Resent-Message-ID: <"png4K3.0.dI7.CQeHq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1387 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Jack, At 11:22 AM 10/16/97 -0500, you wrote: >MMG-Neosid >Icknield Way West >Letchworth >Hertfordshire >SG6 4AS >UK > >MMG-North America >126 Pennsylvania Ave. >Patterson, New Jersy 07503 >USA > >Best Regards, >JD > Thanks. The short URL on Barium Titanite is: http://www.mse.berkeley.edu/faculty/Doyle/Projects/magneticoxides.html -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 16 14:56:05 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA02852; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 14:55:51 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 14:55:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971016165624.006a2640@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 16:56:24 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: IRF510 Gate charge Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"UHwP9.0.Oi.UreHq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1388 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi PMOD folk... Argh! I just looked up the total gate charge number for the IRF510. Oh, my...it's very low. Only 8.3nC...and I was so sure it was in the 30's I think the IRF510 is as good as it gets. Most of the mosfets I use range from 80nC and upwards The IRFD014, which I used not too long ago, seemed like a good thing at 11nC. (The device I sometimes use as a driver, the IRFD1Z0 is 1.6nC, but it's RDSon is a whopping 2.4Ohms.) Yep, the IRF510 is a good choice, Greg, that's what I'm going to use. Best Regards, JD ---------------------------------------------------- "Somewhere between anticipation and nostalgia we should have been happy." -Too Much Coffee Man #1 E-mail to mules@palacenet.net ---------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 16 16:49:50 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA02696; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 16:49:32 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 16:49:32 -0700 X-Sender: leoguitar@mail.vossnet.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Re: IRF510 Gate charge Cc: mules@palacenet.net Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 01:50:14 +0100 Message-Id: <19971017015014.2ca0138a.in@pop3.vossnet.de> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id QAA02673 Resent-Message-ID: <"5sfvK1.0.1g.BWgHq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1389 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 16:56 16.10.1997 -0500, freenrg-l@eskimo.com wrote: > >Hi PMOD folk... > >Argh! I just looked up the total gate charge >number for the IRF510. Oh, my...it's very low. >Only 8.3nC...and I was so sure it was in the 30's >I think the IRF510 is as good as it gets. Most >of the mosfets I use range from 80nC and upwards >The IRFD014, which I used not too long ago, >seemed like a good thing at 11nC. (The device I >sometimes use as a driver, the IRFD1Z0 is 1.6nC, Do you mean nanoFarad or what is nC ? >but it's RDSon is a whopping 2.4Ohms.) Why don´t you just use this one and use a higher supply voltage ? Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 16 17:09:10 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA09444; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 17:08:55 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 17:08:55 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971016180406.0069b2d4@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 18:04:06 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: Re: IRF510 Gate charge In-Reply-To: <19971017015014.2ca0138a.in@pop3.vossnet.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id RAA09395 Resent-Message-ID: <"o50C01.0.HJ2.JogHq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1390 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Stefan, At 01:50 10/17/97 +0100, Stefan Hartmann wrote: >Do you mean nanoFarad or what is nC ? nC is nano-Columb and is the common way of expressing total gate charge. (To charge C gate-source and C gate-drain) >>but it's RDSon is a whopping 2.4Ohms.) > >Why don´t you just use this one and use a higher >supply voltage ? That would work, 12V is a single storage battery though...convienence. Best Regards, JD --------------------------------------------------------------- "Our frightful gods have only changed their names-now they rhyme with "ism."" -Jung mules@palacenet.net --------------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 16 17:12:31 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA10655; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 17:11:36 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 17:11:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: leoguitar@mail.vossnet.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, newman-l@emachine.com From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: http://www.overunity.de updated on the 17th ! Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 02:10:17 +0100 Message-Id: <19971017021017.2cb26f6c.in@pop3.vossnet.de> Resent-Message-ID: <"IUPIe3.0.Ic2.iqgHq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1391 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi, the now daily update is done. http://www.overunity.de/update.htm Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 16 17:18:44 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA13999; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 17:18:26 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 17:18:26 -0700 Message-ID: <3446B7C2.7491@sunherald.infi.net> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 17:56:35 -0700 From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" Reply-To: stk@sunherald.infi.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Coil design-delayed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"-wyQe.0.RQ3.ExgHq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1392 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Greetings: Sorry I have not yet posted the coil design. My everyday work comes first. Kyle Mcallister From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 16 17:50:05 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA24236; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 17:48:31 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 17:48:31 -0700 Message-ID: <3446B55A.2FE8E233@microtronics.com.au> Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 10:16:18 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List Server Freenrg CC: List Server Vortex Subject: PMOD Initial Results (35-40ns FCRT confirmed) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"X0PDO.0.Rw5.SNhHq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1393 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi All, Sorry for the delay in writing, the flu has bitten again. Anyway, to the initial results. I decided to use 74HC instead of 74AC. Bad idea. Shortest fet on/off time I can get is 70ns. Not short enough to really get into it, but ok for a lot of initial measurements. My original circuit would not self run due to the very high base drive requirements of the BU2508A I used. I have measured the gate drive of the current set-up at 15mw (coil disconnected). Connecting the coil adds another 10mw. Connecting the scope on x10 to the gate doubles the gate drive current. Gate Drive Result 1) Keep the gate cap and associated devices as low as possible. 2) Keep the gate drive voltage as low as possible while still getting good on/off times. Gate power really climbs as voltage goes up. Coil construction 1) 30 turns of 0.5mm wire spaced 1.0mm (0.5mm spacing between turns) 2) 1 tap at 15 turns. 3) Centred on 10 x 98mm ferrite rod. (Suspect it is an AM radio rod) 4) Wound on 2 layers of 80gsm paper. 5) NO LEAD lengths. Connections made direct to the coil. Ground system 1) Use a common star ground system. 2) Keep everything as short as possible. 3) Connect the fet's source directly to this point. Current sense resistor 1) I now use 114mm of 0.5mm wire. (0.01 ohm) 10mv = 1amp. 2) I place the wire between the decoupled supply point and the coil. This eliminates gate current induced errors encountered by placing the sense resistor in the source to ground link. Reverse protection diode 1) I use a SBYV27-150 diode in between the drain and the coil to stop large reverse voltage pulses from causing the fet's internal protection diode from conducting. Not really needed if the pulse width is short enough. Coil damping resistor 1) I place a 10k 1w carbon film resistor across the coil. Too small to effect current, but effective in stopping low energy oscillations. Much cleaner scope images as well. Ferrite Critical Reaction Time 1) I have measured the FCRT at 40ns for a 1 amp initial ramp using 30 turns. 2) I have measures the FCRT at 35ns for a 5 amp initial ramp using 15 turns. (Same coil, just tapped half way down) The initial current ramp I observed relates closely to my calculated air coil inductance of 3.9uh and coil resistance of 0.078 ohm. The test above was designed to test for non FCRT effects by using a coil with half the inductance, half the capacitance and half the resistance. The times I observed didn't vary greatly. The amplitude of the events did due to the much higher H field generated by the reduced coil inductance. I believe the 5ns reduction in the FCRT, in the second test, to be caused by the much higher (x5) H field causing somewhat quicker bloch wall (domain) movement. This test seems to provide solid evidence that in my ferrite sample, the FCRT is 35-40ns. Back to the shops to replace the 74HC's with 74AC's and the the fet to turn on/off in 35-40ns. I will update my site, with the latest circuit, when I get back from the doc's. Hope this makes sense, I am working at about 50%. Weird idea, why do some of you ask me about health effects when working around this stuff? What do you know / suspect that I don't know? My flu didn't start until I fired up the PMOD rig. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 16 18:32:12 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA05442; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 18:31:51 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 18:31:51 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971016185713.00f6f00c@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 18:57:13 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: nC correction Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"GxwW02.0.sK1.50iHq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1394 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Stefan, *erk! sorry about the typo. :-\ nC is nano-Coulomb Best Regards, JD --------------------------------------------------------------- "Our frightful gods have only changed their names-now they rhyme with "ism."" -Jung mules@palacenet.net --------------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 16 19:52:23 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA30894; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 19:52:00 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 19:52:00 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971016232259.0080c980@cnct.com> X-Sender: knagel@cnct.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 23:24:16 -0400 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Keith Nagel Subject: PMODers; PLEASE READ! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"taVQP2.0.bY7.FBjHq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1395 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Greetings : As a general lurker on this listserv, I feel compelled to comment on the recent flurry of posts regarding http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson/pmod.html which alludes to an overunity effect attributed to domain wall motion in soft ferrite. The circuit, in it's essence, consists of a transmission line/inductor which is shorted at one end and has an effective short to high frequency at the other end by means of the large capacitors. With switch open, the capacitors C2 and C1 charge to 4 volts DC. On closure, they ( and the distributed capacity to ground of the wire wrapped ferrite rod ) discharge. A wave of current, beginning at the switch, travels back through the wire wrapped rod to C1 & C2. This wave reflects at the caps, and travels back through the rod. This is the sharp pulse seen in the first part of the figure at the URL above. The second pass begins to discharge the capacitors; along with the power supply ( there being no resistance to prevent this ). This is not really an issue; I just point it out as it will ( if switch closure is long enough ) present problems to analysis. The long ramp seen following the pulse is the discharge of the caps, mediated by the inductance of the rod. The "barkhausen bumps" are actually the ringing down of this fast pulse, each bump representing the round trip delay time through the wire wrapped rod. In fact, this type of slow wave transmission line was a commonly used delay system in early radar and computing circuitry. The diagram shows switch closure before the first half cycle of the low frequency discharge, which may or may not be evident depending on the inductance of L1. Probably, L1 is too small so the current will rise to some value ( depending on the overall DC resistance of the circuit ). Using a smaller value of C, along with a large ( >10Kohm ) resistor to decouple the power supply will show you what I mean. I respect what Greg is doing on this list; he seems to be able to motivate people to actually make stuff and experiment. And in the same spirit I hope all who study this circuit bear in mind the above analysis. I spent quite a bit of time studying this type of mixed mode ( transmission line/lumped LC ) type circuit, for very different reasons, and found it to be very rewarding. As far as OU is concerned, I'm afraid I'm missing it here... Also, International Rectifier used to make FETS with current sensing resistors built in, they were terrific for studying this kind of stuff. I also used Textronics CT1 and CT2 current probes, which were good but of course got dicey as the frequency decreased ( they're basically transformers ). Also, consider the fact that at these frequencies the transmission line effects will be quite difficult to measure acurrately. Use a longer ferrite rod, and more turns and you will see what I mean ( I don't think the 15 and 30 turn experiment is conclusive ). You would want to be able to resolve 1ns per cm to make this measurement, and the wire current sense resistor is going to hurt. Again, make everything bigger and the effects will make alot more sense ( as the measurements will be accurate ). Best look at the current on both sides of the circuit ( switch and cap ), there will be a one way delay time if your probes are matched. This will be half the pulse width of the fast pulse. KPN From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 16 19:54:24 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA31820; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 19:54:10 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 19:54:10 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971016232259.0080e5b8@cnct.com> X-Sender: knagel@cnct.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 23:27:39 -0400 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Keith Nagel Subject: PMODers; PLEASE READ! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"rEB3c3.0.zm7.EDjHq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1396 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Greetings : As a general lurker on this listserv, I feel compelled to comment on the recent flurry of posts regarding http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson/pmod.html which alludes to an overunity effect attributed to domain wall motion in soft ferrite. The circuit, in it's essence, consists of a transmission line/inductor which is shorted at one end and has an effective short to high frequency at the other end by means of the large capacitors. With switch open, the capacitors C2 and C1 charge to 4 volts DC. On closure, they ( and the distributed capacity to ground of the wire wrapped ferrite rod ) discharge. A wave of current, beginning at the switch, travels back through the wire wrapped rod to C1 & C2. This wave reflects at the caps, and travels back through the rod. This is the sharp pulse seen in the first part of the figure at the URL above. The second pass begins to discharge the capacitors; along with the power supply ( there being no resistance to prevent this ). This is not really an issue; I just point it out as it will ( if switch closure is long enough ) present problems to analysis. The long ramp seen following the pulse is the discharge of the caps, mediated by the inductance of the rod. The "barkhausen bumps" are actually the ringing down of this fast pulse, each bump representing the round trip delay time through the wire wrapped rod. In fact, this type of slow wave transmission line was a commonly used delay system in early radar and computing circuitry. The diagram shows switch closure before the first half cycle of the low frequency discharge, which may or may not be evident depending on the inductance of L1. Probably, L1 is too small so the current will rise to some value ( depending on the overall DC resistance of the circuit ). Using a smaller value of C, along with a large ( >10Kohm ) resistor to decouple the power supply will show you what I mean. I respect what Greg is doing on this list; he seems to be able to motivate people to actually make stuff and experiment. And in the same spirit I hope all who study this circuit bear in mind the above analysis. I spent quite a bit of time studying this type of mixed mode ( transmission line/lumped LC ) type circuit, for very different reasons, and found it to be very rewarding. As far as OU is concerned, I'm afraid I'm missing it here... Also, International Rectifier used to make FETS with current sensing resistors built in, they were terrific for studying this kind of stuff. I also used Textronics CT1 and CT2 current probes, which were good but of course got dicey as the frequency decreased ( they're basically transformers ). Also, consider the fact that at these frequencies the transmission line effects will be quite difficult to measure acurrately. Use a longer ferrite rod, and more turns and you will see what I mean ( I don't think the 15 and 30 turn experiment is conclusive ). You would want to be able to resolve 1ns per cm to make this measurement, and the wire current sense resistor is going to hurt. Again, make everything bigger and the effects will make alot more sense ( as the measurements will be accurate ). Best look at the current on both sides of the circuit ( switch and cap ), there will be a one way delay time if your probes are matched. This will be half the pulse width of the fast pulse. KPN From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 16 22:30:40 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA16126; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 22:30:18 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 22:30:18 -0700 Message-ID: <34470827.E6A@mediacity.com> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 22:39:35 -0800 From: "M.Twain" X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tjb@hemp.co.nz CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: dropping an oar into the ether References: <199710152157.KAA02688@icarus.ihug.co.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"8R7oD.0.tx3.fVlHq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1397 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: See my new RAPR on the aether at: [http://www.mediacity.com/~muse/rapr97.html] Ron Hatch's book is one of the best overviews of recent experiments on the ubiquitous aether. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 16 22:34:05 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA16969; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 22:33:54 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 22:33:54 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971017133621.006937ac@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> X-Sender: jwinter@cyllene.uwa.edu.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 13:36:21 +0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: John Winterflood Subject: Re: PMODers; PLEASE READ! In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19971016232259.0080e5b8@cnct.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"HDjzX1.0.t84.0ZlHq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1398 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Thanks for your analysis Keith. I was beginning to take some interest in the PMOD also now that more details are appearing. At 23:27 16/10/97 -0400, Keith wrote: >... I feel compelled to comment on the recent flurry of posts >regarding http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson/pmod.html > >which alludes to an overunity effect attributed to domain wall >motion in soft ferrite. The circuit, in it's essence, consists >of a transmission line/inductor which is shorted at one end and >has an effective short to high frequency at the other end by >means of the large capacitors. With switch open, the capacitors >C2 and C1 charge to 4 volts DC. On closure, they ( and the >distributed capacity to ground of the wire wrapped ferrite rod ) >discharge. A wave of current, beginning at the switch, travels >back through the wire wrapped rod to C1 & C2. I am not sure where the initial pulse of current comes from - are you saying that it comes all the way from the capacitors C1 and C2 - in which case as Greg says the ferrite is not adding to the inductance of the coil at those early times. Greg has taken trouble to ensure that the gate charge current does not appear and the coil capacitance is minimised by wide spacing of the coils. Do you think the self-capacitance of the wire (and maybe some fet charge storage or something) is sufficient to give the large initial pulse? >This wave reflects >at the caps, and travels back through the rod. This is the sharp >pulse seen in the first part of the figure at the URL above. I am not inclined to agree that the slight step in the rising edge of the initial pulse is due to a reflection from an effective short circuit (capacitors/power supply). With a short circuit at the end of a transmission line you expect a negative pulse to come back. This looks more like a positive pulse which adds to the initial level. The major dip after the initial pulse could well be the reflection from a short circuit but there must be something else as well because it goes below zero. But I think we are trying to drag too much information from what is probably a hand drawn sketch of a waveform that changes every time Greg makes some minor adjustments. How accurate and repeatable is that waveform Greg? >The >second pass begins to discharge the capacitors; along with the >power supply ( there being no resistance to prevent this ). This >is not really an issue; I just point it out as it will ( if >switch closure is long enough ) present problems to analysis. What sort of power supply are you using Greg - is it a sort that could be "discharged" momentarily (ie a switcher with no large reservoir capacitance if such a thing exists)? >The long ramp seen following the pulse is the discharge of the >caps, mediated by the inductance of the rod. If the power supply and its connection to the caps are reasonable the caps will not discharge significantly. But I agree that at this stage that is where the current is coming from and the coil should be acting as a normal cored inductor slowing the current rise to the average ramp we see. >The "barkhausen >bumps" are actually the ringing down of this fast pulse, each >bump representing the round trip delay time through the wire >wrapped rod. In fact, this type of slow wave transmission line >was a commonly used delay system in early radar and computing >circuitry. I agree entirely that "barkhausen bumps" is an entire misnomer. The magnetics people say that Barkhausen noise is only to be found in hard magnetic materials - any change in magnetisation occurs in lumps with a particular size/frequency distribution. They say there is NO Barkhausen noise in soft magnetic materials. I suppose accurately speaking there will be some but the granularity is so small and the change so smooth that it is usually neglected. I agree that the steps we see in the waveform are the ringing down of some LC circuit - I would be guessing that it is the stray capacitance of the coil etc together with its air-cored inductance. Would be good if you could trace the waveform of a switching without any ferrite core Greg - we could tell quite a lot from the difference between the two waveforms. >The diagram shows switch closure before the first half cycle >of the low frequency discharge, which may or may not be >evident depending on the inductance of L1. Probably, L1 is too >small so the current will rise to some value (depending on the >overall DC resistance of the circuit ). Using a smaller value >of C, along with a large (>10Kohm) resistor to decouple the >power supply will show you what I mean. The overall DC resistance of the circuit is given and it pans out at around the 4A level which is supposed to be met from the power supply. So I don't think the caps will be discharging significantly. It occured to me that if the caps were made very small, then they could be made to effectively cut off the initial pulse without having to worry about switching the fet OFF quickly. In fact in a big model one could charge the cap up to quite a high voltage and use an SCR or TRIAC to discharge it - giving a nice short and heavy current pulse which turns off by itself. If you do it right the capacitor would end up catching the left over energy with a negative voltage ready for a negative pulse next cycle. In fact if memory serves me right that is the idea that Osamu Ide used in his reluctance motor drive! see:- http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson/paper-ide.html >I respect what Greg is doing on this list; he seems to be able >to motivate people to actually make stuff and experiment. And >in the same spirit I hope all who study this circuit bear in >mind the above analysis. I spent quite a bit of time studying >this type of mixed mode ( transmission line/lumped LC ) type >circuit, for very different reasons, and found it to be very >rewarding. As far as OU is concerned, I'm afraid I'm missing >it here... You never know - I would have bet a lot of money that the SMOT and Finsrud device would never work - but apparently they do!!! >Also, International Rectifier used to make FETS with current >sensing resistors built in, they were terrific for studying >this kind of stuff. I also used Textronics CT1 and CT2 current >probes, which were good but of course got dicey as the >frequency decreased ( they're basically transformers ). Some of these current probes use hall effect devices and thus work down to DC. I thought that Tekronix made them also. >Also, >consider the fact that at these frequencies the transmission >line effects will be quite difficult to measure acurrately. >Use a longer ferrite rod, and more turns and you will see what >I mean ( I don't think the 15 and 30 turn experiment is >conclusive ). You would want to be able to resolve 1ns per cm >to make this measurement, and the wire current sense resistor >is going to hurt. Again, make everything bigger and the >effects will make alot more sense ( as the measurements will >be accurate ). >Best look at the current on both sides of the circuit ( switch >and cap ), there will be a one way delay time if your probes >are matched. This will be half the pulse width of the fast >pulse. A lot of thoughtful comments and good advice. Thanks Keith From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 16 22:46:22 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA19444; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 22:46:07 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 22:46:07 -0700 Message-ID: <3446FB20.ACB714EE@microtronics.com.au> Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 15:14:00 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List Server Freenrg CC: List Server Vortex Subject: Latest PMOD information up Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"NIqVB.0.gl4.TklHq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1399 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: HI All, The latest PMOD test results and full circuits have been posted. Yes dear, I am going back to bed now. PS : The 74AC's are on order. None in Adelaide. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 16 22:50:34 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA20753; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 22:50:25 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 22:50:25 -0700 From: JNaudin509@aol.com Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 01:48:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971014125426_1666342899@emout20.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com cc: gwatson@microtronics.com.au, fepps@mail1.halcyon.com, harti@harti.com Subject: An interesting patented ( ? ) Resent-Message-ID: <"S9ho13.0.845.VolHq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1400 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi All, You will find an interesting device at : http://patent.womplex.ibm.com/cgi-bin/viewpat.cmd/4074153 Look at the drawing figures.......interesting,.....this recall me something.... Jean-Louis Naudin ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ 4074153 : Magnetic propulsion device ------------------------------------------------------------------------ INVENTORS:Baker ABSTRACT: A magnetic propulsion device which provides a magnetic field in which a permanently magnetized conveyor element is caused to have translatory motion as a unitary body. Operation of the device does not depend on induced magnetism in the moving element or in the production of the field which provides the propelling force for the element, such field being produced as by permanent magnets independently thereof. In several forms of the invention the permanent magnet element is suspended by repulsion forces and simultaneously propelled by attraction forces along a passage within the field. The magnetic elements producing the field are variously arranged to provide the propulsion as by lining the passage with magnetic strips of alternating polarity to produce repulsion and attraction forces of differing degree on the moving element or with magnetic members of a single polarity to produce a continuously increasing field of attraction for the element which is propelled thereby. In still another embodiment the permanent magnet element is mounted on a wheel which is turned as a result of the interaction of flux produced by the element and that produced independently thereof along an arcuate passage through which the element is propelled on the wheel as it is driven in rotation thereby. In whatever form the invention may take, which as presently contemplated may be manifold, it is to be noted that the moving element is in each case a permanently magnetized member, the physical nature of which affords the invention numerous applications in the useful arts, and the field providing its propulsion is primarily produced entirely independently thereof. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 17 03:55:50 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id DAA30754; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 03:54:48 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 03:54:48 -0700 Message-ID: <34474374.1499A7B5@microtronics.com.au> Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 20:22:36 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List Server Freenrg CC: List Server Vortex Subject: PMOD FCRT Circuit Version 2 up Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"JpjDA3.0.JW7.rFqHq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1401 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: HI All, I have posted the next version of the PMOD FCRT Circuit. There are several improvments to generate shorted drive pulses and use higher voltages to drive the coil. Should get the 72AC devices on Monday. Will post the shorter pulse results soon after. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 17 04:18:20 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id EAA01108; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 04:18:06 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 04:18:06 -0700 Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19971017112115.4117b6ba@home.inetnow.com> X-Sender: hargraves@home.inetnow.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 06:21:15 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: hargraves Subject: Re: Does a magnetic field have weight?(in a gravity field) Resent-Message-ID: <"I-0DN.0.8H.jbqHq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1402 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 03:40 PM 8/14/97 -0600, you wrote: >>BIG question here ! >> Does anyone know if there has ever been any test to prove that a magnetic >>field has weight ? What I mean is, energy has mass, or so I've heard, the sun >>sends so many tons of energy to the earth every day. We all know mass has >>energy stored in it. Einstein said we could think of matter as frozen energy. >> >> But what I wonder is, when a large magnetic field is around a coil, does >>that field have any weight? It doesn't have mass in the usual way of >>thinking, because it's in the form of energy. But I wonder if even though >>it's in an energy state does it have any weight, no matter how small. For >>that matter does it have mass? >>Comments please, >>Butch > >This seems an interesting question. > >It may be that our technology has not progressed to the point where >"sub-atomic" scales would be sensitive enough to detect "weight" >differences in the order of magnitude of which you are speaking. Perhaps >someone on the list might have upadated information in this respect. > >I would think it an interesting experiment to take a solonoid/battery >(unconnected) system and weigh it in toto on such a "sub-atomic" scale. >Then repeat the above, but this time connect the solonoid & battery to >generate a strong (electro)magnetic field and RE-WEIGH the (connected) >system to determine if there is ANY difference in weight from the first >test. I would be curious about the results of such a test. > >Of course, by *crude* analogy, one might consider the following >hypothetical thought experiment: > >Consider a water sprinkler, a 20 gallon container of water, and a complete, >integrated, self-contained, self-powered pump system. > >Place all of the above (non-operational) on a large scale. > >For present purposes, assume the above weighs 100 lbs. > >Then connect the system in toto and operate the water sprinkler with the >condition that as the water is shot in streams into the air, ALL SUCH >STREAMS (and EVERY drop of water) is PRECISELY recycled into the container, >then pump, and then IMMEDIATELY recycled back into the water sprinkler. >The net effect is that there is a CONTINUAL STREAM of water running from >out of the holes in the water sprinkler and looping immediately back into >the container. > >[Forget, for the moment, the rather difficult logistics of achieving the above!] > >What would be the weight differences between the two -- operational and >non-operational -- systems? > >Would the "operational" system be slightly less than 100 lbs? Would the >weight difference be in the "water" [atoms of H20] "balancing in the air" >above the system? And what about the continual "forward pressure" of such >"atoms" on one another as they "loop" through the air back into the 20 >gallon container? How would this affect the over-all "measured weight" of >the operational system? > >I can forsee some possible questions regarding "energy consumption" of the >pump system which could affect measurements. [For purposes of the above >thought experiment, I would ask that these considerations be set aside for >the moment --- assume that this aspect of the system is TOTALLY >self-contained.] > >The crux of my question is the aspect of the "water atoms" LOOPING through >the air back into the container. Would their "upward" trajectory be >considered as "subtracting" from the total weight of the system -- while >their "downward" trajectory be considered as "adding" to the total weight >of the system..... or, would the fact that a CONTINUALLY-COUPLED-STREAM of >such "water atoms" exerting pressure on one another as they loop back into >the water container affect (in this manner) the total weight of the system >and thereby discount any "upward" or "downward" trajectory-related weight >effects? > >Just questions..... > >Evan ________________ Also. It seems that the magnetic field should have weight as i would thank that the electrons have weight. Thus a magnet would be preforming work in that it would be moveing mass If this is the case, it seems that if a magnet was WEIGHed, while the poll that was pushing electrons in an upward direction & while the suction poll of the magnet was facing down that the magnet should weigh more than when that same magnet WAS IN the reverse position with the magnet possitioned dischargeing electrons in a downward dirction suction poll was in an upward dirction. i have all wase thought of the magnet as an instrament that contenually reposesed the same old electrons. I now do not think that to be the case I tend to think of the magnet as being a pump that is positioned well below the surface of the water and well above the ocean floor. and this pump is pumping and much of the water that is pumped out goes right back in to the ocean that the pump is pumping from. so seems that magnet is in a ocean of free electons or ether I would like to hear any thought that any one has on these ideas. i am not educated that probably well shows. don't worry about hurting my feelings. I want to learn. all so. on farraday's homo poll experament. in the area of zero point energy It seems that we should not be moving the magnet or the conductor as the magnetic field is all that needs to move. and that magnetic field has less mass, thus weight thus inercia that the magnet or the conductor. that is if it has weight at all also i tend to imagine the magnetic field as shape changing as giving signs of inercia that is to some extent a magnet traviling at the speed of light with the discharge poll in frount would mean that the electrons being discharged would be going faster than the speed of light. Randy Hargraves. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 17 04:22:33 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id EAA02146; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 04:22:23 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 04:22:23 -0700 Message-ID: <344749F2.AA222CED@microtronics.com.au> Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 20:50:18 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: List Server Vortex Subject: Re: PMODers; PLEASE READ! References: <3.0.32.19971016232259.0080c980@cnct.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Fu3JK1.0.HX.hfqHq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1403 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Keith Nagel wrote: > > Greetings : > > As a general lurker on this listserv, I feel compelled to comment on the recent > flurry of posts regarding > > http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson/pmod.html > > which alludes to an overunity effect attributed to domain wall motion in soft > ferrite. The circuit, in it's essence, consists of a transmission line/inductor > which is shorted at one end and has an effective short to high frequency at the > other end by means of the large capacitors. With switch open, the capacitors C2 > and C1 charge to 4 volts DC. On closure, they ( and the distributed capacity to > ground of the wire wrapped ferrite rod ) discharge. There is less than 2mv of ripple across the caps. > A wave of current, beginning > at the switch, travels back through the wire wrapped rod to C1 & C2. This wave > reflects at the caps, and travels back through the rod. This is the sharp pulse > seen in the first part of the figure at the URL above. My latest series of tests shows that the initial current ramp is re;ated to the coils inductance. > The second pass begins to > discharge the capacitors; along with the power supply ( there being no > resistance to prevent this ). This is not really an issue; The capacitors I use are 5 x 0.1uf monolithics (designed for high frequency decoupling). A job they do very well. > I just point it out as it > will ( if switch closure is long enough ) present problems to analysis. The long > ramp seen following the pulse is the discharge of the caps, mediated by the > inductance of the rod. Incorrect. The supply is VERY stiff. > The "barkhausen bumps" are actually the ringing down > of this fast pulse, each bump representing the round trip delay > time through the wire wrapped rod. The bumps are Barkhausen. You need a coil with lots of turns to see them. but they are there. > In fact, this type of slow wave transmission > line was a commonly used delay system in early radar and computing circuitry. > > The diagram shows switch closure before the first half cycle of the low frequency > discharge, which may or may not be evident depending on the inductance of L1. > Probably, L1 is too small so the current will rise to some value (depending on the > overall DC resistance of the circuit ). Using a smaller value of C, along with a > large ( >10Kohm ) resistor to decouple the power supply will show you what I mean. I have been working with magnetic systems for many years. The effects I mention can be seen in any good book on switch mode design. > I respect what Greg is doing on this list; he seems to be able to motivate people > to actually make stuff and experiment. And in the same spirit I hope all who study > this circuit bear in mind the above analysis. I spent quite a bit of time studying > this type of mixed mode ( transmission line/lumped LC ) type circuit, for very > different reasons, and found it to be very rewarding. As far as OU is concerned, > I'm afraid I'm missing it here... The circuits I have posted can't yet produce drive pulses short enough to produce the H to B phasing. It is the H to B phasing where the OU comes in. I suggest to re-read my PMOD page. The PMOD effect is real. The supply is STIFF. H to B phasing in ferrites exists. > Also, International Rectifier used to make FETS with current sensing resistors > built in, they were terrific for studying this kind of stuff. I also used Textronics > CT1 and CT2 current probes, which were good but of course got dicey as the > frequency decreased ( they're basically transformers ). Also, consider the fact > that at these frequencies the transmission line effects will be quite difficult > to measure acurrately. Use a longer ferrite rod, and more turns and you will > see what I mean ( I don't think the 15 and 30 turn experiment is conclusive ). > You would want to be able to resolve 1ns per cm to make this measurement, > and the wire current sense resistor is going to hurt. Again, make everything bigger > and the effects will make alot more sense ( as the measurements will be accurate ). > > Best look at the current on both sides of the circuit ( switch and cap ), there > will be a one way delay time if your probes are matched. This will be half the pulse > width of the fast pulse. > > KPN Hi Keith, Thanks for the input. Think you will find the latest PMOD postings interesting. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 17 05:49:58 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id FAA14315; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 05:49:39 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 05:49:39 -0700 Message-ID: <344670CF.49CAA4EB@ctv.es> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 21:53:51 +0200 From: Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga Reply-To: vramos@ctv.es X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mark@plug-in.com.br CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Scalar Battery Charger X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199710160340.BAA09005@bigbox.plug-in.com.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"xZ_N62.0.OV3.WxrHq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1404 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > Maybe we need a coil instead of a motor as a load in series with the > battery. That coil would be made resonant with the switching > frequency. > > So, when the caps are in series, a high current flows to the battery > thru > the coil. When the current reaches zero, the caps are switched to > paralel > and the current flows from the battery thru the coil, SUMMING with the > > back-EMF generated at the coil. > > Again, when the current reaches zero, the caps are switched to series > and > the current flows TO the battery, summing with the back-EMF again. > > When the caps are in parallel, they will be charged with the back > current > generated at the coil, minimizing the battery voltage drop. > > Sounds possible ? > > Marcelo Hi Marcelo. Using the back emf of a coil is an interesting option... but must be tested. All these circuits based on high pulses returned to battery are very difficut to test. Also battery life is shorted. This is all Bedini/Kromrey (and others) based work. You must know the Tesla Switch (similar to battery charger) was presented 13 years ago by Mr. Bedini. Anybody have a working model? Working = Closed loop, no working time limits & no component replacing. Vicente. -- Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga E-mail: vramos@ctv.es Home Page: http://www.ctv.es/USERS/vramos/home.htm Burriana (Castellon) SPAIN From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 17 06:13:33 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id GAA29517; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 06:12:50 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 06:12:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <344763C6.665B@ats.com.au> Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 23:10:30 +1000 From: AgentMiB Reply-To: id4@ats.com.au Organization: Bamboo Software Productions X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: "Contact" transport device References: <199710152157.KAA02688@icarus.ihug.co.nz> <34470827.E6A@mediacity.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"3kaI12.0.6D7.FHsHq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1405 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hello all, I rarely post to this list, but read all of it with fascination. If the following is off-topic, please forgive me I live in Australia, and I just saw the movie "Contact" today. What intrigued me was the alien transport device ... it appeared to utilise a complex arrangement of rapidly rotating, high energy, electro-magnetic fields. Then I thought about it a bit, and it's almost identical to the gravity drive in "Event Horizon". I personally believe that some science fiction films are used to communicate truth in a clandestine and non-alarming fashion. Furthermore, I find it more than coincidental that two films should be released almost simultaneously that both depict an almost identical kind of instantaneous star drive. I submit that a device with the geometry and principles of operation depicted in these films has a slim possibility of actually working, and that these films may indicate the line(s) of research we should be following. I welcome any ideas, comments, opinions, constructive criticism, or any statement from the esteemed subscribers of this list -- Just look into this little red light, please ... FLASH! ------------------------------------------------------------------- Matthew Etherington (aka AgentMIB) [ id4@ats.com.au ] ------------------------------------------------------------------- "The title held by me, MIB, means What you think you saw, you did not see" -- Agent J (Will Smith) ------------------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 17 08:50:05 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA27973; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 08:49:44 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 08:49:44 -0700 Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 11:48:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Jason Aldo To: Greg Watson Cc: List Server Freenrg , List Server NeoTech , List Server Newman , List Server Vortex Subject: RMOG claims? In-Reply-To: <343C344C.61FFF039@microtronics.com.au> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"Nk3gT1.0.uq6.KauHq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1406 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Greg, Your RMOG sounds very interesting. It parallels research I am doing on a flux switch alternator which exhibits anti-Lenzian effects. I wrote you an E-Mail last week offering to verify your claims of self-running operation at Stirling Technology, an R&D compamy in Athens Ohio where I work. I offered to pay for transportation, however, you did not reply. If you do not want to travel to Ohio, could you send a generator for us to test or at least more details? I, nor the people I work with are not out to steal your invention, just to find out if you really have an overunity device. My E-Mail account will be closed on the 25'th of October, so you may contact me at work after that if you wish. Sincerely, Pete J. Aldo Stirling Technology 178 Mill St. Athens, Ohio 45701 614-594-2277 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 17 09:28:15 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA08871; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 09:28:01 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 09:28:01 -0700 Message-ID: <3447A0E7.776A@mediacity.com> Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 09:31:19 -0800 From: "M.Twain" X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: meet again soon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"bFGxd2.0.WA2.G8vHq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1407 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I'm logging off for a few days. Getting on the plane to NuZe, don't know how soon will be fully 'reconnected'. Health and understanding, Millennium From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 17 11:36:15 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA18315; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 11:35:55 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 11:35:55 -0700 Message-ID: <3447AF2F.8FEF08B9@pavilion.co.uk> Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 19:32:35 +0100 From: Rob Dowse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: An interesting patented ( ? ) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <971014125426_1666342899@emout20.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"w3pJj3.0.zT4.90xHq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1408 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Jean-Louis and all, Thanks for this patent no. There are some figures missing which are refered to in the text, I guess they illustrait a rotary embodiment. Baker uses a permenant magnet conveyor (the ball in the SMOT), the ramps (which he calls propulsion walls) are in magnetic repulsion. I didn't notice any mention of work being done against gravity or of a "blue hole" phenomenon. In one embodiment the rotor or conveyor (the ball in the SMOT) is suspended between the propultion walls, like poles repelling and gravity pulling into equillibrium, which does away with the need for a guide rail, so rolling friction disapears! I am not convinced, (Ernshaw was it?) but I'll try this next week when my flu goes too! JNaudin509@aol.com wrote: > Hi All, > > You will find an interesting device at : > > http://patent.womplex.ibm.com/cgi-bin/viewpat.cmd/4074153 > > Look at the drawing figures.......interesting,.....this recall me > something.... > > Jean-Louis Naudin -- --==oo==-- Rob Dowse From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 17 11:53:13 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA03752; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 11:52:41 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 11:52:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971017124807.0072dcb8@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 12:48:07 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: Re: PMODers; PLEASE READ! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"9fiKR2.0.Qw.lFxHq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1410 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi PMOD folk, (I hope I'm not cluttering up your mail boxes. I sent this twice with a modest sized image attached, but no joy. So, here it is sans data.) At 23:27 10/16/97 -0400, Keith wrote: >The "barkhausen bumps" are actually the ringing down >of this fast pulse, each bump representing the round trip delay >time through the wire wrapped rod. In fact, this type of slow wave >transmission >line was a commonly used delay system in early radar and computing circuitry. After examining the timing of the bumps, and their shape, I still believe that they are the result of a resonant circuit. Most likely formed by the coil, and parasitic capacitances (mainly that of the mosfet.) Using the model for an IRF510, 1 Ohm of resistance, and 300uH of inductance, the attached wave form was derived using SPICE. (A remarkably similar, damped ringing waveform, was the result...) Best Regards, JD --------------------------------------------------------------- "Our frightful gods have only changed their names-now they rhyme with "ism."" -Jung mules@palacenet.net --------------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 17 11:53:20 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA03729; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 11:52:39 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 11:52:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971017124829.0072dcb8@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 12:48:29 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: Re: PMODers; PLEASE READ! In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19971016232259.0080e5b8@cnct.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"zxF852.0.6w.iFxHq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1409 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi PMOD folk, At 23:27 10/16/97 -0400, Keith wrote: >The "barkhausen bumps" are actually the ringing down >of this fast pulse, each bump representing the round trip delay >time through the wire wrapped rod. In fact, this type of slow wave >transmission >line was a commonly used delay system in early radar and computing circuitry. After examining the timing of the bumps, and their shape, I still believe that they are the result of a resonant circuit. Most likely formed by the coil, and parasitic capacitances (mainly that of the mosfet.) Using the model for an IRF510, 1 Ohm of resistance, and 300uH of inductance, the attached wave form was derived using SPICE. Best Regards, JD --------------------------------------------------------------- "Our frightful gods have only changed their names-now they rhyme with "ism."" -Jung mules@palacenet.net --------------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 17 14:40:04 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA21791; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 14:38:29 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 14:38:29 -0700 (PDT) From: NLSilliman@aol.com Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 17:37:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971017173001_627218683@emout09.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com cc: bpaddock@csonline.net Subject: Re: Back to Basics, list of names Resent-Message-ID: <"kk-uB3.0.JK5.5hzHq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1411 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On 97-10-10 @ 06:06 bpaddock@csonline.net (Bob Paddoc) wrote > Does any one have, or know of, a comprehensive list/index of > the papers that written by the original people upon > which we base our theories today? > I'd like to read the words of the ORIGINAL AUTHORS (not > sure of the spelling of the proper names) like Ohm, Maxwell, > Faraday, Osisted, Ampere, Volta, Kirchhoff, Thevein, Lenz, Coulomb. > Who else should be on the list? Phil Gibbs has a web site where he has compiled such a list of people, which includes all of physics. Sorting out just the authors of electricity and magnetism is easy. The list for the 19th centrury has about 250 names (some names show up multiple times) and discovery subjects. The time-line URL is: www.weburbia.demon.co.uk/pg/histora.htm or can be reached from Phil Gibbs main page at www.weburbia.demon.co.uk/pg/ This does NOT provide a list of published papers, but is a start with the names, and approximate time. Hope this helps those of us that are unhappy with the current lack of explaination of how things work. Norm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 17 14:57:59 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA04703; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 14:57:20 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 14:57:20 -0700 From: HLafonte@aol.com Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 17:56:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971017175307_-57959413@emout11.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com cc: newman-l@emachine.com, vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: (MER) Werjefelt documents on web Resent-Message-ID: <"sJuhZ1.0.491.zyzHq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1412 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi all, The Werjefelt documents are on the web now, thanks to Stefan Hartman. They are at www.overunity.de/tep/index.cgi Twenty are now scanned out of forty five and are being up loaded to Stefan daily in groups of ten. They are listed as page1.gif thru page20.gif . The last group that is sent will have the drawings and pictures of the device. Also, at one time Gene Mallove had video tapes of Mr. Werjefelt's presentation at MIT, the tapes were for sale to the public. I will check to see if they still are. (Gene, If you read this, please let us know how much the cost is, and how to order). I would also like to thank Stefan Hartman for putting these documents on his web site. I hope to get them typed in a word processor format to free up some of his space. These are very interesting documents and Mr. Werjefelt has done his homework. Please excuse the quality of the images as they are documents mailed to me from Hawaii by Mr. Werjefelt, then scanned, then emailed to Stefan to be set up for his web site. They were copies when I received them! I would like to thank Mr. Werjefelt for giving me permission to put these on the web, he could have said no. Thanks, Butch LaFonte From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 17 15:18:46 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA10925; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 15:18:25 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 15:18:25 -0700 Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 15:17:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710172217.PAA10329@germany.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: PMODers; PLEASE READ! Resent-Message-ID: <"hqXof2.0.Xg2.lG-Hq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1413 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 12:48 PM 10/17/97 -0500, you wrote: >Hi PMOD folk, > >(I hope I'm not cluttering up your mail boxes. I sent >this twice with a modest sized image attached, but no joy. >So, here it is sans data.) > Hi Jack, Could you please send me (and others) directly the file of your spice simulation of ringing. Not through freenrg-l which appparently has a size limitation on attached files as well as posts. I see ringing as well, when the ferrite is removed, to eliminate any ferromagnetic effects. -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 17 15:20:22 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA11441; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 15:20:05 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 15:20:05 -0700 Message-Id: <199710172218.SAA09905@mail.enter.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Robert G. Flower" Organization: Center for Frontier Sciences To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 18:54:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Announce: Lecture on Cold Fusion by Mallove next Tuesday Reply-to: chronos@enter.net Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.52) Resent-Message-ID: <"-tljk1.0.Ro2.II-Hq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1414 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: The Center for Frontier Sciences at Temple University (Philadelphia, PA) invites you to attend a (free) lecture this coming Tuesday: "How We Won the Cold Fusion War" October 21, 1997, Tuesday, 2:00 - 3:30 pm. Eugene Mallove, Ph.D. - President, Cold Fusion Technology, Inc., and Editor-in-Chief, Infinite Energy Magazine (Concord, NH) Abstract: "Recent scientific and commercial developments in the cold fusion controversy include many cases replicated by dozens of laboratories and published in peer-reviewed literature of new energy-producing systems and reactors. These developments vindicate the work of Pons and Fleischmann in the late 1980's and suggest the onset of an unprecedented technological revolution. Dr. Mallove will review the history of these developments and offer predictions for their implications for the practice of science and the progress of civilization." ------------------------- Place: Temple University Kiva Auditorium, Ritter Hall Annex 1301 Cecil B. Moore Ave. (NE corner of North Broad St. & Cecil B. Moore Ave.) Philadelphia, PA Time: 2:00 - 3:30 p.m. Refreshments served at 1:30 p.m. Lectures are free; the academic community and public are invited. ------------------------- For further information, please contact: Nancy Kolenda, Coordinator Phone: 215-204-8487 Fax: 215-204-5553 E-mail: v2058a@vm.temple.edu Website: http://www.temple.edu/CFS ------------------------- Center for Frontier Sciences at Temple University Ritter Hall (003-00), Room 478 1301 Cecil B. Moore Ave. Philadelphia, PA 19122 USA ------------------------- About the Center for Frontier Sciences: The goal of the Center is to facilitate scientific study in areas such as bioelectromagnetics, the mind-matter interrelationship, complementary and alternative medicine, unresolved issues in quantum physics, and new energy technologies. As an integral part of a major university, the Center maintains high standards in reviewing new claims, while remaining open to ideas that may go beyond currently dominant paradigms. Frontier Perspectives, the Center's semi-annual journal, publishes peer-reviewed scientific papers, along with Invited Opinions, Book Reviews, and news of organizations, meetings, and other publications of interest. A cumulative index is posted on the Center's website at URL http://www.temple.edu/CFS. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 17 15:36:02 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA17679; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 15:35:50 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 15:35:50 -0700 Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 18:40:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199710172240.SAA19161@mail.wincom.net> X-Sender: wood@mail.wincom.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: wood Subject: Re: PMOD Initial Results (35-40ns FCRT confirmed) Resent-Message-ID: <"K_i-q3.0.5K4.4X-Hq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1415 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >Weird idea, why do some of you ask me about health effects when >working around this stuff? What do you know / suspect that I don't >know? My flu didn't start until I fired up the PMOD rig. > >-- >Best Regards, > Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson > > Perhaps some of the readers are familiar with researchers Rife and Lackhovsky. There is a lot on the web about Royal Raymond Rife check it out.If you are into conspiricies and have no faith in the cancer societies this is an interesting tale.Both researchers working independently came up with the idea of curing diseases with radio frequencies. The first side effect is flu like symtoms which they believed were the destroyed disease,germ, viruses etc. leaving the body.If you have an incredible burst of energy and ambition next you are experiencing another of the documented signs of the device working. Woody From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 17 15:36:42 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA17897; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 15:36:28 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 15:36:28 -0700 Message-ID: <3447E82D.1D1AA79A@microtronics.com.au> Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 08:05:25 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: List Server Vortex Subject: Re: PMODers; PLEASE READ! References: <3.0.1.32.19971017124807.0072dcb8@palacenet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"EQTJH.0.WN4.fX-Hq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1416 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Jack DeMule wrote: > > Hi PMOD folk, > > (I hope I'm not cluttering up your mail boxes. I sent > this twice with a modest sized image attached, but no joy. > So, here it is sans data.) > > At 23:27 10/16/97 -0400, Keith wrote: > >The "barkhausen bumps" are actually the ringing down > >of this fast pulse, each bump representing the round trip delay What do you refer to as Barkhausen bumps? I refer to slight bumps on the NORMAL current ramp you get when you charge any ferrite based coil. I do not refer to Barkhausen bumps when I talk about the first two current ramp changes in my test setup. > >time through the wire wrapped rod. In fact, this type of slow wave transmission > >line was a commonly used delay system in early radar and computing circuitry. > > After examining the timing of the bumps, and their shape, > I still believe that they are the result of a resonant circuit. > Most likely formed by the coil, and parasitic capacitances (mainly that > of the mosfet.) Using the model for an IRF510, 1 Ohm of resistance, > and 300uH of inductance, the attached wave form was derived using > SPICE. The coil has a max inductance of 3.9uh, even less due to the 0.5mm spacing. The inductance with 8 turns is less than 1uh. The DC restsiance of the coil at 30 turns is 0.078 ohms. > (A remarkably similar, damped ringing waveform, was the result...) > > Best Regards, > JD Hi Jack, Haven't played with SPICE for years. The initial current ramp is inductance related (the 30, 15, 8 turn test shows that) and the negative current ramp is domain alignment related. Why do you have a problem with that? Its just plain old physics. Ferrite permeability peaking and fallout with frequency and the delay of the B field from the applied H field is old engineering news. The FCRT circuit is just designed to measure the effect. There is no OU ........ YET. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 17 16:09:29 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA02724; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 16:07:34 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 16:07:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3447EF6C.8E14A1C0@microtronics.com.au> Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 08:36:20 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List Server Freenrg CC: List Server Vortex Subject: Air Core Inductor Equation Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"inVGH1.0.Ng.m--Hq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1417 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi All, Does anybody have a good equation for a single layer air core inductor where the wires are spaced 1 wire diameter apart and the length is longer than the diameter. I am currently using : L = (N^2 r^2) / 254(0.9r + l) L = Inductance in micro henries N = 30 turns r = 5mm l = 30mm The coil I am using in the FCRT is : 30 turns of 0.5mm copper wire spaced 0.5mm (1.0mm pitch), 10mm in diameter, 30mm in length. The above gives a inductance of approx 2.6uh. Total length of wire in the coil is 0.942 mtr. At 87.81 Ohm / Km, the coil resistance is 0.083 ohms. I believe because of the wide inter turn spacing that the inductance is lower. Can anyone assist? -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 17 16:59:47 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA06624; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 16:59:26 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 16:59:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3447FB87.FE3CBEB4@microtronics.com.au> Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 09:27:59 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com, List Server Freenrg Subject: Re: Air Core Inductor Equation References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"q1Yl-3.0.Ld1.Ql_Hq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1418 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Schaffer@gav.gat.com wrote: > > Greg Watson asks: > >Does anybody have a good equation for a single layer air core inductor > >where the wires are spaced 1 wire diameter apart and the length is > >longer than the diameter. I am currently using : > > > >L = (N^2 r^2) / 254(0.9r + l) > > This is the standard approximate formula for a single layer air core > inductor. It is exact in the limit of large l/r, and it is still close to > exact for l = diameter = 2r. > > >I believe because of the wide inter turn spacing that the inductance > >is lower. > > The inter-turn spacing is already included in the formula via one N in the > numerator and the l in the denominator. > > Michael J. Schaffer HI Michael, Thanks for the confirmation. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 17 17:15:31 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA07971; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 17:15:07 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 17:15:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3447FF50.223919D3@microtronics.com.au> Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 09:44:08 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List Server Freenrg CC: List Server Vortex Subject: FCRT coil taps Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"MwslA3.0.Oy1.6-_Hq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1419 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: HI All, The locations of the coil taps in circuit 1 are incorrect. I have correct to reality in circuit 2. The junction of the current sense resistor and the damping resistor are moved to select the coil tap desired. The 8 turn test gives larger domain avalanche induced Emf into the sense coil even though it is further away from the centre of the coil than in the 15 or 30 turn test. The inductance and DC resistance of the coil taps are as follows : 30 turn = 2.6uh @ 0.081 ohm 15 turn = 1.1uh @ 0.041 ohm 08 turn = 0.5uh @ 0.022 ohm -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 17 17:44:53 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA10972; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 17:44:30 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 17:44:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: leoguitar@mail.vossnet.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, newman-l@emachine.com From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: http://www.overunity.de updated on the 18th ! Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 02:36:21 +0100 Message-Id: <19971018023621.31f0a882.in@pop3.vossnet.de> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx2.eskimo.com id RAA10945 Resent-Message-ID: <"s1bnF1.0.Lh2.iP0Iq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1420 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi, the now daily update is done. http://www.overunity.de/update.htm I have updated my site tonight with Dieter Bauer´s new scope pics I received from him today with his overunity proof circuit simular to the one of Jean louis Naudin. Have a look ! Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 17 18:13:22 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA00788; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 18:13:07 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 18:13:07 -0700 Message-Id: <199710180112.XAA04827@bigbox.plug-in.com.br> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Marcelo Puhl" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 23:13:14 -3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: PMOD Initial Results (35-40ns FCRT confirmed) Reply-to: mark@plug-in.com.br CC: Greg Watson Priority: normal In-reply-to: <3446B55A.2FE8E233@microtronics.com.au> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Resent-Message-ID: <"iMMep.0.CC.Yq0Iq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1421 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > > I decided to use 74HC instead of 74AC. Bad idea. Shortest fet on/off > time I can get is 70ns. Not short enough to really get into it, but > ok for a lot of initial measurements. > As an idea, you could use TWO MOSFETs in series, one of them ALLWAYS ON and the other allways OFF. The resulting pulse width at the coil would be just the time difference in toggling the OFF MOSFET ON and toggling the ON MOSFET OFF. It could work ... Marcelo From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 17 18:36:49 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA08721; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 18:36:33 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 18:36:33 -0700 Message-ID: <34481266.14072868@microtronics.com.au> Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 11:05:34 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List Server Freenrg CC: List Server Vortex Subject: PMOD Initil current ramp is correct! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"gn1O_2.0.x72.UA1Iq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1422 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi All, I have updated my PMOd page again with my latest findings. Here is a bit. Here is a table I have constructed to show the predicted coil current after 35ns using the 3 coil taps. I have assumed a current sense resistor of 0.01 ohm, a fet on resistance of 0.1 ohm and a stiff supply of 5Vdc. Coil Tap Coil H Coil Ohm Total Ohm Max A 1 Tc (A) 1Tc (Sec) A @35ns Actual 30 2.6uh 0.081 0.191 26.2A 16.5A 500ns 1.2A 0.8A 15 1.1uh 0.041 0.151 33.1A 20.9A 166ns 4.4A 4.0A 8 0.5uh 0.022 0.132 37.9A 23.9A 66ns 12.7A 10.0A I believe the actual measured current at Peak 1 speaks for itself. The initial current ramp is clearly based on the AIR CORE inductance of the coil and the above proves that the ferrite has NOT generated any significant back Emf into the coil before Peak 1. Peak 1 is the Ferrite's Critical Reaction Time! Now we reduce the fet on time to just less that the FCRT and trap the back Emf from the domains in a secondary coil instead wasting it by driving the coil's current negative. More to come. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 17 19:00:30 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA14801; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 18:43:59 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 18:43:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <34481377.C940E128@microtronics.com.au> Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 11:10:07 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com CC: List Server Freenrg Subject: Re: Inductor References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"3OUAA1.0.8d3.QH1Iq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1423 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: John Schnurer wrote: > > Dear Greg, > > I often set up JFET oscillator, use known inductances and > compare. Another good tool is grid dip meter ... it will show a fair > approximation of resonance at loading. > > The 510 is not reperesentative of the modern day fast or low > resistance parts. IGBTs are getting good and the APT 4080 is one I like, > 80 milliohms and 450 V at 8 amps ... These parts require you to drive a > 3k to 5 k pf gate load. IGBTs turn off fast. A germanium transistor, > diode connected makes good low loss bridge element ... the lowest loss > comes from synchronous rectification methods. Hi John, I used the IRF510 as it was the best I could get off the shelf in Adelaide. I will check out your suggestions. Thanks. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 17 19:28:30 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA22159; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 19:28:15 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 19:28:15 -0700 X-Sender: richarda@mailhub.icx.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3446B55A.2FE8E233@microtronics.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 22:29:30 -0400 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Richard Austin Subject: Re: PMOD Initial Results (35-40ns FCRT confirmed) Resent-Message-ID: <"F86CW3.0.1Q5.-w1Iq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1424 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >Ferrite Critical Reaction Time > >1) I have measured the FCRT at 40ns for a 1 amp initial ramp using 30 >turns. >2) I have measures the FCRT at 35ns for a 5 amp initial ramp using 15 >turns. > (Same coil, just tapped half way down) > ---- Are there other materials that would be much slower to react than Ferrite. This would allow slower switching? ---- >The initial current ramp I observed relates closely to my calculated >air coil inductance of 3.9uh and coil resistance of 0.078 ohm. The >test above was designed to test for non FCRT effects by using a coil >with half the inductance, half the capacitance and half the >resistance. The times I observed didn't vary greatly. The amplitude >of the events did due to the much higher H field generated by the >reduced coil inductance. I believe the 5ns reduction in the FCRT, in >the second test, to be caused by the much higher (x5) H field causing >somewhat quicker bloch wall (domain) movement. > >This test seems to provide solid evidence that in my ferrite sample, >the FCRT is 35-40ns. > >Back to the shops to replace the 74HC's with 74AC's and the the fet to >turn on/off in 35-40ns. > >I will update my site, with the latest circuit, when I get back from >the doc's. > >Hope this makes sense, I am working at about 50%. > >Weird idea, why do some of you ask me about health effects when >working around this stuff? What do you know / suspect that I don't >know? My flu didn't start until I fired up the PMOD rig. --- Colloidal silver @ 3-5 ppm, couple of tablespoons for a couple of days will easily knock out most flus and colds. Check the web on colloidal silver, you can make it yourself... Save yourself the doctor bills and forget the antibiotics that don't work on viruses anyway... >-- >Best Regards, > Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson Richard Austin -- email: richarda@icx.net -- radio: KG7SU Check out the Institute for Planetary Renewal at http://user.icx.net/~richarda From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 17 22:16:38 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA01682; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 22:15:52 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 22:15:52 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 16:53:41 +1000 Message-Id: <199710180653.QAA06756@main.murray.net.au> X-Sender: egel@main.murray.net.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Geoff Egel Subject: Re:Added additional info on the Testakica and new item magnetic Gyro Resent-Message-ID: <"rVWl32.0.BQ.5O4Iq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1425 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Have added aditional material on the the Swiss ML and also an article on Lenz motor with similarities to the Adams motor as well as My idea for a floating magnetic gyroscope with a connection to the levitron http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135/gyro.htm http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135/swiss.htm home page http://www2.murray.net.au/users/egel http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135/ http://www.FortuneCity.com/greenfield/bp/16/ Geoff From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 18 00:01:37 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA08595; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 00:01:08 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 00:01:08 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971018005627.0071c904@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 00:56:27 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: Re: PMODers; PLEASE READ! In-Reply-To: <3447E82D.1D1AA79A@microtronics.com.au> References: <3.0.1.32.19971017124807.0072dcb8@palacenet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"EYnfT3.0.C62.ow5Iq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1426 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Greg, At 08:05 10/18/97 +0930, Greg wrote: >What do you refer to as Barkhausen bumps? I refer to slight bumps on >the NORMAL current ramp you get when you charge any ferrite based >coil. I do not refer to Barkhausen bumps when I talk about the first >two current ramp changes in my test setup. I agree....and I've not seen any sign of Barkhausen effect. I think you've confused me with someone else. I contend that all of the waveform artifacts _can_ be the result of parasitics....the initial non-inductive rise in the current, and the ringing. >The coil has a max inductance of 3.9uh, even less due to the 0.5mm >spacing. The inductance with 8 turns is less than 1uh. > >The DC restsiance of the coil at 30 turns is 0.078 ohms. That is pretty much irrelevant. I will plug in those values, and the wave form will be similar, a damped ringing. Sure, the frequency and amount of damping will change, but the general shape of the wave...including the negative swing, will remain the same. I've only confirmed what I had seen that the coil and mosfet capacitance, form a resonant circuit. If I can build a circuit, and build a model that correlates with the hardware, then I feel That my understanding is passing fair. >The initial current ramp is inductance related (the 30, 15, 8 turn >test shows that) and the negative current ramp is domain alignment >related. Why do you have a problem with that? Its just plain old >physics. Ferrite permeability peaking and fallout with frequency and >the delay of the B field from the applied H field is old engineering >news. The FCRT circuit is just designed to measure the effect. I'm well aware of these effects...and of the conventional explanations for them, which require no domain switching delays. I'm not saying you are wrong. Both the conventional explanation and your explanation may be wrong. The FRCT experiment doesn't indicate to me which explanation, if any, is correct. >There is no OU ........ YET. OU operation, would certainly make the point. Best Regards, JD --------------------------------------------------------------- "Our frightful gods have only changed their names-now they rhyme with "ism."" -Jung mules@palacenet.net --------------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 18 02:45:43 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id CAA24553; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 02:45:33 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 02:45:33 -0700 Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 03:44:15 -0600 (MDT) From: Steve Ekwall X-Sender: ekwall2@november To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Does a magnetic field have weight?(in a gravity field) In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.16.19971017112115.4117b6ba@home.inetnow.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"SqJzf1.0.Y_5.yK8Iq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1427 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Fri, 17 Oct 1997, hargraves wrote: --big snip-- >>I tend to think of the magnet as being a pump >>that is positioned well below the surface of the water >>and well above the ocean floor. >> The Sun would be (*IS*) the driving force of the/that 'pump'. --another big snip-- >>a magnet traviling at the speed of light >>with the discharge poll in frount >>would mean that the electrons being discharged >>would be going faster than the speed of light. >> >>Randy Hargraves. >> Randy, YES! I think even Einstein was sadden by this lack of equation, but what would you suggest is better than the speed of light "C"? Faster is fine, but can we see/comprehend it? Like the SOUND barrier, it WILL be broken. But, to what degree and how? .. of course anything foward looking/traveling is faster than THE UNIT.. if mag.= car headlights at the speed of light being turned ON.. E=MC^2 doesn't mention TIME, as well it shouldn't, as we (man) evolved this term... SO, YES THE MAGNETIC FLUX OF A MAGNET WOULD TRAVEL FASTER THEN 'C'. (as would ANYTHING going 'foward' at that speed). Volocity (C) broken, we'd proceed to the NEXT STEP. ---- Have you ever thought about ALL of these forces being ONE.. (?) Gravity Pump (earth),.. Traveling past 'C'(+Mag flux).. as when connected (as in the aether matrix), there should be no barriers we can't achieve! :) makes one think abit -yah? Best to you & yours -=se=- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 18 03:10:55 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id DAA27921; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 03:10:44 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 03:10:44 -0700 From: bpaddock@csonline.net (Bob Paddock) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Back to Basics, list of names Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 21:52:34 -0400 Organization: is mostly via piles Reply-To: bpaddock@csonline.net Message-ID: References: <971017173001_627218683@emout09.mail.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <971017173001_627218683@emout09.mail.aol.com> Lines: 16 Resent-Message-ID: <"l35gS3.0.5q6.Zi8Iq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1428 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >> Does any one have, or know of, a comprehensive list/index of >> the papers that written by the original people upon >> which we base our theories today? >Phil Gibbs has a web site where he has compiled such a list of people, > www.weburbia.demon.co.uk/pg/histora.htm > www.weburbia.demon.co.uk/pg/ Thanks, I'm sure lots of us will be checking it out. -- For information on any of the following check out my WEB site at: http://www.usachoice.net/bpaddock Chemical Free Air Conditioning/No CFC's, Chronic Pain Relief, Electromedicine, Electronics, Explore!, Free Energy, Full Disclosure, KeelyNet, Matric Limited, Neurophone, Oil City PA, Philadelphia Experiment. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 18 07:40:27 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA27488; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 07:40:08 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 07:40:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <19971018143936.27529.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [209.76.151.145] From: "jack doe" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: 2 free energy tips Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="====================987654321_0==_" Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 07:39:36 PDT Resent-Message-ID: <"XnbfE1.0.Oj6.5fCIq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1429 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: --====================987654321_0==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" If you limit the amperage that can be pulled from the secondary to about half the maximum you will have an amperage sine wave that looks a bit like tip 1, the flat top means no change in amperage so no changing flux so no back EMF at that time. the secondary of a transformer is at 180deg phase relative to the primary, a generator is normally at 90 deg to the magnetic field, but if you have a generator like in tip 2 the phase is 180deg to the magnetic field so no lenz law as it repels the magnet as it go toward and away, this is how most of the free energy generators work, adams etc... 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M@`58??6'@.1Q@`OH?`KH@`,(@1%H@!O68!2(@1FH@1O(@1WH@1\(@B$H@B-( I@B5H@B>(@BFH@BO(@BWH@B\(@S$H@S-(@S5H@S>(@SFH@SN8-`4``#L` ` end --====================987654321_0==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" --====================987654321_0==_-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 18 09:24:07 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA16697; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 09:23:26 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 09:23:26 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971018125704.00858de0@cnct.com> X-Sender: knagel@cnct.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 12:57:08 -0400 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Keith Nagel Subject: Re: PMODers; PLEASE READ! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"wJax12.0.o44.y9EIq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1430 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Greetings : Before I get cranked up this morning; I thought I'd try to answer some of the questions and comments generated by my post. First... JD writes : >After examining the timing of the bumps, and their shape, >I still believe that they are the result of a resonant circuit. >Most likely formed by the coil, and parasitic capacitances (mainly that >of the mosfet.) Using the model for an IRF510, 1 Ohm of resistance, >and 300uH of inductance, the attached wave form was derived using >SPICE. > >(A remarkably similar, damped ringing waveform, was the result...) > I have no problem with this, our analysis are closer than you may think. The squarish shape of the pulse reflects the distributed nature of the parasitics; in the limit condition your lumped model is quite adequate. It always delighted me how these two approaches to circuit analysis ( lumped and distributed ) dovetail together. Dave Dameron writes >I see ringing as well, when >the ferrite is removed, to eliminate any ferromagnetic effects. Yes, the ferrite will just slow things down somewhat (unclear how much; the type of ferrite and it's frequency response is not directly specified). John Winterflood writes >I am not sure where the initial pulse of current comes from - >are you saying that it comes all the way from the capacitors >C1 and C2 Fast initial pulse and ringing comes from the distributed parasitic capacities; slow current ramp from C1 and C2. I only mentioned the power supply for completeness sake; if switch closure occurs long enough it will show itself. >I agree that the steps we see in the waveform are the ringing >down of some LC circuit - I would be guessing that it is the >stray capacitance of the coil etc together with its air-cored >inductance. See my comment to JD. See also my comment following to Greg. >The overall DC resistance of the circuit is given and it pans >out at around the 4A level which is supposed to be met from >the power supply. So I don't think the caps will be discharging >significantly. If the power supply is decoupled; where else is the ramp coming from? I'll buy that it is; C1 and C2 supply all the low frequency current. I'm suprised people disagree with me on this point. For those that do, isolate the power supply with a large resistor and make the caps smaller and smaller... You'll see exactly what I mean. >It occured to me that if the caps were made very small, then >they could be made to effectively cut off the initial pulse >without having to worry about switching the fet OFF quickly. Yup, right on the mark here. >Some of these current probes use hall effect devices and thus >work down to DC. I thought that Tekronix made them also. Not going to help here, no Hall device commercially available has a high enough bandwidth. I've built custom devices for HF work; but boy things get ugly here. Current sense resistors are really the only cheap and effective solution here. Only problem is relating the sign of the output to what you would really see with a CT. (think about this one, I remember having a !long! discussion with a previous employer about this. Boy I miss those...) Finally; Greg writes : >There is less than 2mv of ripple across the caps. How do you measure this? I agree that the caps are not being anywhere near discharged by the short pulse width. Hence, I would expect little overall voltage variation. >My latest series of tests shows that the initial current ramp is >re;ated to the coils inductance. Better to think of this as impedence. Distributed L and C of this ferrite transmission line. >Incorrect. The supply is VERY stiff. Are you saying that the caps aren't the source of charge for the long ramp? Are you also saying the power supply is a high enough impedence to isolate it from the circuit? I'll buy the second at this fast switch close time, please convince me of the first ( and see prior comment to John ) >The bumps are Barkhausen. You need a coil with lots of turns to see >them. but they are there. Well, I'm not here to convince you otherwise, just offering some advice. Try lots of turns ( several hundred ) with no core. Move the coil close to a ground plane. Only you can convince you. >The circuits I have posted can't yet produce drive pulses short enough >to produce the H to B phasing. It is the H to B phasing where the OU >comes in. Interesting idea here; one which I can probably get with but not how its being expressed here. A short post directly related to this would be very interesting and good discussion fuel. >I suggest to re-read my PMOD page. The PMOD effect is real. The >supply is STIFF. H to B phasing in ferrites exists. Taking your advice, I've reread the page more closely. It strikes me that there is a general lack of understanding as to where the charge comes from on the initial fast pulse/ringdown. 15 turns of wire isn't much capacity to ground. The capacity of the fet is a good suspect, but I have on inspection of the circuit diagram seen another potential source of parasitic capacity. The scope and probe. Ground of the scope is shown at positive side of the power supply. Is this a battery? are you floating the scope to do this with a grounded power supply? Please clarify this, the early circuit diagram (with waveform) shows this, the later ones seem not to but I'm unsure. Clearly in the first one you'll charge the scope and probe cable, a big source of distributed capacity. Enough for now; good comments from everyone. Keith PS: Greg, here in US we have a joke about the East and West coasts of our country. On the west coast, people say "thanks for your input". On the east coast, they say something else. :) Please accept my comments in the best of spirits. I'm hoping to help you move forward in your reseach. I've gleaned many valuable patents from your site, and I'd like to give something of value back. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 18 09:48:01 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA20889; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 09:47:47 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 09:47:47 -0700 Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 09:47:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710181647.JAA16751@germany.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: http://www.overunity.de updated on the 18th ! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id JAA20870 Resent-Message-ID: <"pcQw-2.0.I65.oWEIq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1431 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Stefan, Dieter and all, At 02:36 AM 10/18/97 +0100, Stefan wrote: >I have updated my site tonight with Dieter Bauer´s >new scope pics I received from him today with his >overunity proof circuit simular to the one of Jean louis Naudin. > >Have a look ! > >Regards, Stefan. > I have a classical explanation that shows that this circuit is now not OU :-(. Can someone please tell me what I have done wrong? In the /poover/tep.htm paper by Dieter, the OU comes from the voltage across the resistor being > than the battery voltage Uo. That is, there is a positive pulse across the resistor = Uo +DeltaU exp(-t/TAU). Please see Dieter and Stefan's latest test circuit on his www.overunity.de page. Even though the oscilloscope traces show a positive pulse (inverted), it isn't the same type and doesn't satisfy the condition of being >Uo. I assume a short ON time where the +pulse increases and a much longer OFF time where it decays. It decays to Io=Uo/(R+R(L1)+R(L2)). Let Iend = Uo/(R+R(L1)). Then during the ON time, I=Io +(Iend-Io)[1-exp-(t/TAU)] where TAU= L1/R(total) Note that the diode in the drain circuit is "bad news" as the voltage across L2 must exceed it's foward voltage drop for the Mosfet to conduct. This might be hard with R=110 Ohms. Letting the short ON pulse be length DT, so the peak + current is: Ipeak = Io +(Iend-Io)[1-exp-(DT/TAU)]. And during the OFF time, where the pulse decays: I=Io +[Ipeak-Io]exp-(t/TAU2) where TAU2 is from the combined inductances. This is the pulse that looks OU, but The maximum voltage across R= RIpeak< RIend < Uo, so the pulse is not OU. :-( Can anyone help? The current I also flows through L1, but not always through L2. If you look at the connection point of L1, L2, you will see a + voltage spike >200 volts at the ON to OFF time, if these equations are OK. Greater than 200V as this is the breakdown voltage of the IRF640. ??? -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 18 10:19:32 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA05647; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 10:18:31 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 10:18:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3448EE66.FA113022@ro.com> Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 12:14:14 -0500 From: "Patrick V. Reavis" Organization: NASA Volunteer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, gwatson@microtronics.com.au Subject: Re: Air Core Inductor Equation X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <3447EF6C.8E14A1C0@microtronics.com.au> Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"hxxpk.0.4O1.XzEIq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1432 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Greg Watson wrote:
Hi All,

Does anybody have a good equation for a single layer air core inductor
where the wires are spaced 1 wire diameter apart and the length is
longer than the diameter.

I am currently using :

L = (N^2 r^2) / 254(0.9r + l)

 L = Inductance in micro henries
 N = 30 turns
 r = 5mm
 l = 30mm

The coil I am using in the FCRT is :

  30 turns of 0.5mm copper wire
  spaced 0.5mm (1.0mm pitch),
  10mm in diameter,
  30mm in length.

The above gives a inductance of approx 2.6uh.

Total length of wire in the coil is 0.942 mtr.
At 87.81 Ohm / Km, the coil resistance is 0.083 ohms.

I believe because of the wide inter turn spacing that the inductance
is lower.

Can anyone assist?

--
Best Regards,
 Greg Watson  Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson

 

L = [{mur} (N2A) / l ]  X  (1.26E-6) Henries

Where L is the inductance in Henries, mur is the relative magnetic permeability of the core material, N is the number of turns, A is the cross-sectional area of the coil in meters squared (A={pi}d2/4: Where d is diameter in meters) , l is the length of the coil in meters   , and 1.26E-6 is a conversion factor.
NOTE : l and A units must be in the MKS system !!!!!!
 
 

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Patrick V. Reavis
Student at Large
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  From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 18 15:11:05 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA14369; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 15:10:38 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 15:10:38 -0700 Message-ID: <01BCDC1A.D91F5160@que3-p1.telepac.pt> From: Isabel Alegria To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: RE: Scalar x Vector voltage, Bearden seems to know it. Or not? Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 22:44:26 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BCDC1A.D926F280" Resent-Message-ID: <"VGrks.0.MW3.TFJIq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1433 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: ------ =_NextPart_000_01BCDC1A.D926F280 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Bob, I'm back :-) Bob Shannon wrote: >Ant=F3nio Vilela wrote: > > >=20 >> But before that, I would like to leave a few ideas on what we have = been >discussing. >>=20 >> For those who look at Bearden as an authority on the subject, you may = take interest >> in his article "Chasing the wild dragon", which can be found at: >>=20 >> http://www.hsv.com/writers/bearden/page001.htm >>=20 >> there's a line on table 1 that reads: >>=20 >> "6.development and utilization of a "hidden" electrodynamics inside = the scalar potential >> (inside voltage)." >>=20 >> which I think to be very relevant to this discussion. I may, of = course, be wrong but I look >> at it as a clear "black & white" identification of "voltage" with = "the scalar potential". >Those familiar with >with the range of Bearden's work often classify it into two major >catagories, "Old Bearden" and "New Bearden".=20 I never have (or will, for that matter) bought any of Beardens books. = But I have read most of his writings that are published on the net (from 1991 till 1996) = and indeed I recognize those "two Beardens" you speak about. It is only fair to allow a man to = progress in his work, so I won't hold a grudge :-) Please note, however, that trying to disqualify "Chasing the wild = dragon" on the grounds that it is a "new Bearden" text is not very intelligent. The "Whittaker = decomposition of scalar potential=20 fields" and its associated "hidden electrodynamics" is consistent = throughout all of his writings,=20 either "old" or "new". >Well, you have misinterpreted the statement in this case. >Bearden's use of the term 'the scalar components within voltage' (not >voltage itself) is used to describe the two "Whittaker potentials", or Well, I'm afraid it is you who got it all wrong.=20 I've never read the phrase 'the scalar components within voltage', in = any=20 of Bearden's writings. Let me quote two of his texts: from "Utilizing scalar electromagnetics to tap the vacuum energy", 1991; "... established a hidden bidirectional EM wave structure in a standing=20 forcefield free scalar potential." from "Progress Report on the sweet vacuum triode", 1992; "Internal wave structure of a scalar potential" "... Whittaker decomposes the scalar potential into bidirectional pairs = of=20 EM waves. In other words, a SCALAR ELECTROSTATIC POTENTIAL=20 internally consists of paired EM waves..." As I see it, Bearden decomposes the Scalar Potential (phi) as a series=20 of paired EM waves. It is, then, generated by their interference. The particular case of the Electrostatic Scalar Potential, occurs when the intererence results in a standing wave. And for this, Beardens = supports himself in the writings of Whittaker. Not that I agree with it, but = that's how I=20 understand it. (yes, I have read Whittaker's papers) Note, however, that this has nothing to do with the fact that both I, = Maxwell, Whittaker and Bearden equate Voltage with Scalar Electric Potential, static or = not. > >> Of course, this proves nothing. As I wrote earlier, this Scalar and = Vector classification >> is quite arbitrary, depending on the particular scientist and the way = he views things. > >Now that is very wrong also. Scalar and Vector have explicit >conventional definitions. >Even Maxwell himself is very clear on this basic concept, as has = already >been quoted here earlier. > >> However, there is a tradition and a common body of knowledge in this = field we call >> Classical Physics, that says voltage is a scalar quantity. It's laws = are expressed assuming >> this. >> >> We have other examples within CEM to show us that this is so: >> Take the ordinary concept of current. Although current is a vector, = and there are vector=20 >> equations to express it's dependence on the E-field, charge density, = speed, etc., everyone >> defines a current in a wire as a scalar quantity, expressing the net = charge flow through=20 >> the wire. This "new" current is >independent of the directions of = space, as the entire wire is=20 >> (for this purpose) viewed as a current line, with no section (this is = not >exact, but it serves=20 >> the purpose of illustration). > >Did you read Maxwell's definition of the terms 'scalar' and 'vector'?=20 >Apparently not. > >Current is a vector, and cannot be expressed as a scalar value. Are = you >aware of the definition of the terms 'scalar' ad 'vector' in >mathimatics? Oops, my mistake. I assumed you would be able to understand my words.=20 Obviously, I was wrong. I am aware of the 'scalar' and 'vector' definitions of mathematics. You = seem to forget that it was I who quoted Maxwell's definitions, a few posts back... You should know by now that mathematics and physics are not the same = thing. What I meant was that the Scalar and Vector classification of physical = properties is quite arbitrary, depending on the particular scientist and the way he = views things, and this is not at all wrong.=20 Well, I don't think we can go much further down the road with this = discussion, so I guess this should be my last post on the subject. It has been, however, a very stimulating discussion in the sense that it = has forced me to review some of my basic studies in classical EM. In the course of these = studies I became even more convinced that I was right in the first place, that is, that = Voltage is a scalar quantity. Please note that I allowed for the doubt, which fact gave me the = opportunity to learn something. But I think the subject is now spent and lost interest, so I'll move on = to other things. Thank you Bob, for this very stimulating discussion. 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To: "'Lista de Free Energy'" Subject: Field cancellation and bifilar coils. Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 01:19:26 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id RAA00493 Resent-Message-ID: <"fdF5u2.0.F8.BALIq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1434 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hello everyone, I have been particularly interested in the calculation of the magnetic field induced by static electric currents in the vicinity of conductors of particular geometries, in an effort to better characterize and understand electromagnetic fields. I have also taken interest in answering the questions "what is field cancellation?", "is it possible?" and "what does it have to do with field distortion?". While I don't have straight answers to those questions, I do have some thoughts and suspicions on the subject that I would like to present to the group for discussion. I know that field distortion is really field cancellation in some directions and field reinforcement on others. It is a direct consequence of vector summation. I can clearly see, through some simple examples, that in such fields energy is conserved, and f lows are merely deflected. Just imagine two water pumps feeding a Y-shaped tube. So far so good. Now, the question naturally arises if it is possible to conceive a particular geometry so that the fields cancel. An obvious attempt would be to plug the output of the above Y. An equivalent experiment would be to place the two pumps in line with one anot her, both outputs connected with a straight piece of pipe. The conclusion would inevitably be that there would be no flow at all, let alone flow cancellation. Furthermore, no energy would be imparted to the water by the pumps (except some thermal energy), so the whole thing would be useless. If instead of the pip es one considers open channels so that there could be flow, then the flow would "distort" upwards, making a mess out of the experiment. So much for the water analogy. As I can imagine different sets of two vector fields that oppose everywhere so that there is cancellation, they always turn out to be physically impossible. Some say, at this point, "yes, but you can have near cancellation". Or can't I? I propose that I can't. What I can have is a large region of space with a diminished field intensity (possibly a very small intensity), along with a small region of space with a very strong intensity. And this is what I have found in the magnetostatic fie ld of a bifilar coil. In between adjacent wires, the magnetic field is very intense, while dropping very rapidly for distant regions. Still, no cancellation occurs anywere. Ironically, cancellation does occur in between adjacent wires on a solenoid :-) While I have made no calculations on this, I feel it is reasonable to admit that the total energy of the field is preserved, and not "cancelled". So, in conclusion, what I suspect is that there is no field cancellation at all, and it is not physically possible to achieve it. What happens is that the fields can be more or less "distorted", so that its energy can be concentrated or spread over region s of space. In general, it is its geometries that can be manipulated. Another interesting finding on the bifilar coil: The magnetic field due to a particular turn is constricted "distorted" to exist only in the space between the two adjacent ones. This explains why the coil's self-induction is nearly that of the lenght of wire that makes it. The magnetic field correspondi ng to one turn does not cross the adjacent ones, so no self-induction takes place. (in fact the dynamical case is much more complicated than this, self-induction on adjacent wires does occur but since they are counter-wound, the electric current flow is r einforced instead of reduced). Is it anything with this particular geometry of M field that makes the bifilar a good scalar wave transmitter? Is it still a long walk from the dynamical case, for it to be relevant? Any takers? Best regards, António Vilela From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 18 18:22:40 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA07776; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 18:22:19 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 18:22:19 -0700 Message-ID: <34497CCF.4F23@sunherald.infi.net> Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 20:21:52 -0700 From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" Reply-To: stk@sunherald.infi.net Organization: APETT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: A strange question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"QYknV.0.Pv1.A3MIq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1435 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Greetings: This may be a bit off topic, but... Is there any THEORETICAL way of generating a 2 megagauss transverse magnetic field? Yes, I did say 2 million gauss... Thanks, Kyle Mcallister From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 18 22:21:12 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA07271; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 22:20:49 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 22:20:49 -0700 Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 15:20:37 +1000 Message-Id: <199710190520.PAA16382@nornet.nor.com.au> X-Sender: openway@pophost.nor.com.au (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Peter Nielsen Subject: RE: Scalar x Vector voltage, Bearden seems to know it. Or not? Resent-Message-ID: <"UmuDN.0.Vn1.lYPIq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1436 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >>> "6.development and utilization of a "hidden" electrodynamics inside the scalar potential >>> (inside voltage)." >>> >>> which I think to be very relevant to this discussion. I may, of course, be wrong but I look >>> at it as a clear "black & white" identification of "voltage" with "the scalar potential". > The process for hiding information within scalars involves voltages, or vectoral cancellation of same. There is no "voltage" present in the scalar product as such. If there were, it wouldn't be hidden. I believe this is the distinction between real and potential voltage, or SEP. Peter Nielsen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 18 22:21:36 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA28271; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 22:20:48 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 22:20:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 15:20:30 +1000 Message-Id: <199710190520.PAA16378@nornet.nor.com.au> X-Sender: openway@pophost.nor.com.au (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Peter Nielsen Subject: Re: Field cancellation and bifilar coils. Resent-Message-ID: <"GAib9.0.ev6.jYPIq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1437 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >I know that field distortion is really field cancellation in some directions and field reinforcement on others. It is a direct >consequence of vector summation. > For true "cancellation" I would assume the vectors must sum to zero. >Now, the question naturally arises if it is possible to conceive a particular geometry so that the fields cancel. An obvious attempt >would be to plug the output of the above Y. An equivalent experiment would be to place the two pumps in line with one another, >both outputs connected with a straight piece of pipe. The conclusion would inevitably be that there would be no flow at all, let alone >flow cancellation. Furthermore, no energy would be imparted to the water by the pumps (except some thermal energy), so the >whole thing would be useless. > Again, cancellation means no flow. But you still have _pressure_ which is trying to escape. This is analogous to what happens within a bifilar coil, except that destructively convergent force is orthorotated into the scalar domain. >As I can imagine different sets of two vector fields that oppose everywhere so that there is cancellation, they always turn out to be >physically impossible. > Aside from the ongoing debate about typical bifilars, there are several other ways to approach perfect cancellation. One is between a point charge at the center of a sphere and its circumference. Another is by placing a bifilar coil under electrostriction. >I propose that I can't. What I can have is a large region of space with a diminished field intensity (possibly a very small intensity), >along with a small region of space with a very strong intensity. And this is what I have found in the magnetostatic field of a bifilar >coil. > This depends on how we visualize it. In the case of particles, at some points individuals may cancel force without transfer to others. So where does it go? Scalar translation is a quantum event, not a gradient based upon the entire field and all subordinant transactions. You will note that, once having translated, the relevant EM vectors no longer exist to be measured. >So, in conclusion, what I suspect is that there is no field cancellation at all, and it is not physically possible to achieve it. What >happens is that the fields can be more or less "distorted", so that its energy can be concentrated or spread over regions of space. >In general, it is its geometries that can be manipulated. > Yes, but then, by definition, it is still EM. Peter Nielsen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 18 22:47:51 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA00649; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 22:47:07 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 22:47:07 -0700 (PDT) From: JNaudin509@aol.com Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 01:46:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971019014632_1566674479@emout07.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re : Re:Added additional info on the Testakica and new item magnetic Gyro Resent-Message-ID: <"RqwQz.0.0A.NxPIq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1438 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: on 18/10/1997 07:50:23 , you wrote : << http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135/gyro.htm >> Hi Geoff, I am not able to open this fils the server said me : File Not Found The requested URL /ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135/gyro.htm was not found on this server. Jean-louis From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 19 06:14:33 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id GAA22527; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 06:14:18 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 06:14:18 -0700 (PDT) From: bpaddock@csonline.net (Bob Paddock) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: IRF510 Gate charge Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 09:07:03 -0400 Organization: is mostly via piles Reply-To: bpaddock@csonline.net Message-ID: <3XgS0UQy8YFa092yn@csonline.net> References: <3.0.3.32.19971016165624.006a2640@palacenet.net> In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19971016165624.006a2640@palacenet.net> Lines: 28 Resent-Message-ID: <"Xsmr53.0.uV5.dUWIq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1439 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >Argh! I just looked up the total gate charge >number for the IRF510. >but it's RDSon is a whopping 2.4Ohms.) Yep, the >IRF510 is a good choice, Greg, that's what I'm >going to use. I've not been completely following this thread so this may have no merit here: In Satellites where every bit of energy counts NASA will put a very small inductor in series with the Gate to make the combination resonate to recover a bit of the energy, or more properly take less to turn the gate on. If I come across the exact document number I'll post it. Also SGS-Thompson has come out with a entirely new family FETS that may merit looking at for some projects. I think the URL is http://www.st.com tho I'm not sure, and the details are at work. -- For information on any of the following check out my WEB site at: http://www.usachoice.net/bpaddock Chemical Free Air Conditioning/No CFC's, Chronic Pain Relief, Electromedicine, Electronics, Explore!, Free Energy, Full Disclosure, KeelyNet, Matric Limited, Neurophone, Oil City PA, Philadelphia Experiment. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 19 11:24:44 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA20779; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 11:23:46 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 11:23:46 -0700 Message-Id: <199710191823.LAA07505@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: "Free Energy" Subject: Fw: POSTINGS Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 11:05:08 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Yzvhd.0.a45.n0bIq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1440 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: ---------- > From: kami > To: FRED EPPS > Subject: POSTINGS > Date: Sunday, October 19, 1997 12:29 PM > > HI FRED > > I was wondering if you could post the following for me as I would like > some answers. > > While I was overseas I noticed interest in both the Gary magnet > motor and the Bowman magnet motor. Both of these devices were > supposedly built and worked, the Bowman motor(BASED ON A > DESIGN OF PERIGRINUS , CURRENTLY BEING > EXPERIMENTED WITH BY J.L. NAUDIN) was supposedly > dismantled dus to lack of interest! > > About a year ago I was planning to build a model of the Bowman > motor , however time did not permit (This was before I became > convinced that solid state was the way to go.) Both of these devices > do not appear to be overly complicated and I would like to know if > anyone has succesfully replicated them and if so with what results. > > I have already got whatever info there is on the net about these two > devices including an article likening the Gary motor to the S.M.O.T. > However nobody seems to have tried the originals , I would be > interested to know this as it would have bearing on my own solid > state research. > > Cheers > > MARTIN > kami@iafrica.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 19 11:30:50 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA19407; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 11:30:23 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 11:30:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710191829.QAA30990@bigbox.plug-in.com.br> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Marcelo Puhl" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 16:30:29 -3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Sweet's VTA Reply-to: mark@plug-in.com.br Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Resent-Message-ID: <"V2AFF.0.7l4.x6bIq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1441 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I extracted this paragraph from a file I found on Internet : " Electrical shock to humans from the VTA may be more damaging than contact with a 120 VRMS 60 HZ conventional powerline voltage. Floyd has accidentally had VTA current pass from his thumb to his smallest finger. It appears to freeze the flesh and was extremely painful for at least two weeks." This effect is very similar to a RF burn. Usually RF burns are very painfull. Also, they use RF ( @ 1 MHz ) to cauterize on surgery. Maybe the VTA output has some degree of RF on it. The Moray King machine seems to have RF too. To drive an electric motor, this would need to be adapted. Maybe AC to DC conversion ? The Hans Coler device seems to run @ 180 kHz. The Tesla coil also runs at high-frequency. Marcelo From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 19 11:45:23 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA25107; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 11:44:53 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 11:44:53 -0700 Message-Id: <199710191844.QAA31390@bigbox.plug-in.com.br> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Marcelo Puhl" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 16:45:19 -3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Fw: POSTINGS Reply-to: mark@plug-in.com.br Priority: normal In-reply-to: <199710191823.LAA07505@mail1.halcyon.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Resent-Message-ID: <"RWe0P2.0.686.ZKbIq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1442 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > > > > About a year ago I was planning to build a model of the Bowman > > motor , however time did not permit (This was before I became > > convinced that solid state was the way to go.) Both of these devices > > do not appear to be overly complicated and I would like to know if > > anyone has succesfully replicated them and if so with what results. > > What if someone model this working devices and translate the model to the solid-state domain ? Marcelo From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 19 12:14:18 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA29681; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 12:13:53 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 12:13:53 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971019130922.00d09974@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 13:09:22 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: Re: IRF510 Gate charge In-Reply-To: <3XgS0UQy8YFa092yn@csonline.net> References: <3.0.3.32.19971016165624.006a2640@palacenet.net> <3.0.3.32.19971016165624.006a2640@palacenet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"PZ8rR2.0.gF7.mlbIq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1443 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Bob, At 09:07 10/19/97 -0400, you wrote: >In Satellites where every bit of energy counts NASA will put >a very small inductor in series with the Gate to make the >combination resonate to recover a bit of the energy, or more >properly take less to turn the gate on. If I come across >the exact document number I'll post it. Thanks! I'd like to read that. I've used inductors in gate drivers, just to get the bloody things turned on quickly. I've seen a few papers on resonant gate drive, but so far the technique has not been suitable for mass production. About ten years ago I found that (6) IRF460's in parallel were difficult to drive, :) and spent several months trying different approaches, including dumping the charge from a small capacitor, charged to a high voltage, into the gates, and letting the gate capacitance form a divider. I also tried using allowing the energy from a small inductor allowing it to flyback into the gate capacitance. I ended up using brute force, totem-pole mosfets. A variation of the capacitance dumping scheme, that employed a pulse transformer, gave me the best rise times, but it was duty cycle limited, and I needed a 90% maximum. >Also SGS-Thompson has come out with a entirely new family >FETS that may merit looking at for some projects. I think >the URL is http://www.st.com tho I'm not sure, and the >details are at work. Their sales rep. stopped by a few weeks ago and dumped some literature on my desk. I haven't read it yet. The newly revived Fairchild has announced some interesting low voltage parts, mostly in surface mount packages, too. The large mosfets that I've found easiest to drive (lowest Qg) have come from APT, but if a part can't be bought at Digikey, Mouser, or Newark, I'm disinclined to mention it on the list if there is something almost as good readily at hand. Best Regards, JD --------------------------------------------------------------- "Our frightful gods have only changed their names-now they rhyme with "ism."" -Jung mules@palacenet.net --------------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 19 16:41:04 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA11054; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 16:40:23 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 16:40:23 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971019201353.007f11b0@cnct.com> X-Sender: knagel@cnct.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 20:13:56 -0400 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Keith Nagel Subject: Re: IRF510 Gate charge Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"McHkq3.0.Yi2.bffIq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1444 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Greetings : Call me lazy, but I use special line driver ICs for FETs (part# MIC4452). Pop a logic signal in one end, mighty wallop of current comes out the other. I've come across that NASA article as well, but really unless you'r driving hugh gate capacities and care about that extra few percent of power... This is going to sound like a really dumb question, but here goes anyway. A typical FET has substantial source to drain capacity; this becomes quite annoying when switching a resonant tank circuit. When the FET closes, what becomes of this capacity? By this, I mean that on open, the FET can be charged as any other cap will. Where does the charge go on closure? I assume that current flows thru the FET; out to the rest of the circuit. Still... there is a transition phenomena here which has always puzzled me. I suppose it might be fair to say that, during transition, when the FET is closing, it's varying resistance dissipates the stored energy of this capacity. Assuming of course, that the rest of the circuit is of a high impedence with respect to this varying resistance. I've had bad luck paralleling FET's, not due to drive difficulties as much as due to this substantial capacity ( the FET should be high impedence when open, not so if some monster capacity exists across the FET bank ). The switch circuit does'nt really switch then... Keith From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 19 17:30:52 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA20476; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 17:29:38 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 17:29:38 -0700 From: bpaddock@csonline.net (Bob Paddock) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: IRF510 Gate charge Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 20:20:01 -0400 Organization: is mostly via piles Reply-To: bpaddock@csonline.net Message-ID: References: <3.0.3.32.19971016165624.006a2640@palacenet.net> <3.0.3.32.19971016165624.006a2640@palacenet.net> <3.0.1.32.19971019130922.00d09974@palacenet.net> In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19971019130922.00d09974@palacenet.net> Lines: 29 Resent-Message-ID: <"lRkI03.0.p_4.mNgIq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1445 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >into the gate capacitance. I ended up using brute force, >totem-pole mosfets. Unitrode makes a part the call the "Miller Killer" the UC1710 family of parts for just such problems. >The large mosfets that I've found easiest to drive >(lowest Qg) have come from APT, but if a part can't >be bought at Digikey, Mouser, or Newark, I'm >disinclined to mention it on the list if there is >something almost as good readily at hand. Since for more than a decade I maintained my companies (http://www.matric.com) library with about a thousand data books in it I some times forget others don't have such a well stocked library. I figure that if a part is really needed by some one the Universe will work out a way for them to get it. Also some times it gets people thinking in a different direction to try other ideas that are some times more fruitful. -- For information on any of the following check out my WEB site at: http://www.usachoice.net/bpaddock Chemical Free Air Conditioning/No CFC's, Chronic Pain Relief, Electromedicine, Electronics, Explore!, Free Energy, Full Disclosure, KeelyNet, Matric Limited, Neurophone, Oil City PA, Philadelphia Experiment. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 19 18:08:52 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA30079; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 18:08:36 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 18:08:36 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971019190353.00774b1c@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 19:03:53 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: Re: IRF510 Gate charge In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.1.32.19971019130922.00d09974@palacenet.net> <3.0.3.32.19971016165624.006a2640@palacenet.net> <3.0.3.32.19971016165624.006a2640@palacenet.net> <3.0.1.32.19971019130922.00d09974@palacenet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"MdeJ4.0.rL7.HygIq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1446 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Bob, all... At 20:20 10/19/97 -0400, Bob Paddock wrote: >Unitrode makes a part the call the "Miller Killer" the >UC1710 family of parts for just such problems. What! I'd have to pay their exorbitant price for something I could build myself. :) Actually, I've used that device, and it's a space saver, but the discrete solution performs better, and it's much cheaper. >Since for more than a decade I maintained my >companies (http://www.matric.com) library with about a >thousand data books in it I some times forget others don't >have such a well stocked library. No one maintains my companies library...which is probably why power transistor data books from Delco, TRW, RCA, and GE, are still on the shelves. And everyday the distributors, and factory representatives bring more. >I figure that if a part is really needed by some one the >Universe will work out a way for them to get it. Also some >times it gets people thinking in a different direction to try >other ideas that are some times more fruitful. True, I think there's more to be learned by putzing around with a circuit for a few weeks than most managers realize. It's luxury that most designers can't afford, but then, that's what our weekends are for. Best Regards, JD --------------------------------------------------------------- "Our frightful gods have only changed their names-now they rhyme with "ism."" -Jung mules@palacenet.net --------------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 19 20:18:23 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA32634; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 20:18:00 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 20:18:00 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971019211235.00cae6a8@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 21:12:35 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: Re: IRF510 Gate charge In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19971019201353.007f11b0@cnct.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"d2uDB2.0.oz7.driIq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1447 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 20:13 10/19/97 -0400, you wrote: >By this, I mean that on open, the FET can be charged as any other cap will. >Where does the charge go on closure? I assume that current flows thru the >FET; out to the rest of the circuit. Still... there is a transition phenomena >here which has always puzzled me. I suppose it might be fair to say that, >during transition, when the FET is closing, it's varying resistance dissipates >the stored energy of this capacity. Assuming of course, that the rest of >the circuit is of a high impedence with respect to this varying resistance. The charging current required for the gate to drain capacitance increases as the mosfet switches due to miller effect. That's why the drive requirements increase as the drain to source voltage is increased. As the drain to source voltage drops during switching, the driver has to remove the acquired charge from this capacitance. I think that nearly all of the energy lost in driving the gate capacitances is lost in the driver circuit. The gate to source capacitance is pretty much fixed, and if the driver impedance is low, its charge changes only as the gate to source voltage changes. An article Siliconix book "Mospower Applications," (ISBN 0-930519-00-0) titled "High Speed gate Drive Circuits," provides all the gory details. >I've had bad luck paralleling FET's, not due to drive difficulties as much as >due to this substantial capacity ( the FET should be high impedence when >open, not so if some monster capacity exists across the FET bank ). The >switch circuit does'nt really switch then... The gate capacitance is always the difficulty in driving mosfets. It's this capacitance, especially the gate to drain capacitance, (miller effect capacitance) that makes large mosfets difficult to drive when you require fast transition times. The resistance losses are infinitesimal. Stray inductance may slow down the transition time, but more often it destroys the mosfet by causing excessive gate to source voltage. Of course, that's just how I see it. :) Best Regards, JD --------------------------------------------------------------- "Our frightful gods have only changed their names-now they rhyme with "ism."" -Jung mules@palacenet.net --------------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 19 20:26:04 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA10516; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 20:25:40 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 20:25:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710200325.XAA12475@ns.bluegrass.net> From: "Sam Gordon" To: Subject: Visible ions? Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 23:25:58 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"qplPG.0.Ba2.nyiIq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1448 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Can anyone give me an idea on the construction of an ion viewing device. I would like to see ion field shapes accuring from large differing shaped electrods and the ion field interaction with null objects and rarafied air. Thanks. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 19 20:28:29 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA02254; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 20:28:10 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 20:28:10 -0700 X-Sender: rmuha@mail Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3447EF6C.8E14A1C0@microtronics.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 23:27:33 -0400 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: ralph muha Subject: Re: Air Core Inductor Equation Resent-Message-ID: <"wn55g2.0.qY.8_iIq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1449 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Greg Watson wrote: >Does anybody have a good equation for a single layer air core inductor >where the wires are spaced 1 wire diameter apart and the length is >longer than the diameter. this isn't a specific answer, but in the sci.electronics.design newsgroup there has been a lot of discussion about coil design. Winfield Hill (co-author of "The Art of Electronics") is designing a 30KVp-p 600KHz coil (part of a 'molecular trap') and there has been lots of posting about coil equations. He's using a rather interesting design which he refers to as a "Murgatroyd" toroid. Search for posts by 'Winfield Hill' and subjects 'coil design' and 'wheeler equation' (that's the one you're using). Somebody even posted an article by Wheeler, describing the derivation of that equation... r From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 19 20:48:17 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA12001; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 20:47:26 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 20:47:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <344AD3FB.559909D7@microtronics.com.au> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 13:16:03 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List Server Freenrg CC: List Server Vortex , List Server Newman Subject: SMOT, PMOD & RMOG changed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"jkT8H2.0.Kx2.-GjIq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1450 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi All, I have updated the SMOT Mk4 shipping status. Initial RMOG plans and theory are up. I have finished a test using a air coil and the same coil with a ferrite slug. The tests show that the negative current slope IS caused by the ferrite. Waveforms posted as well. Good reading. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 19 20:57:19 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA12892; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 20:56:57 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 20:56:57 -0700 Message-ID: <344AD652.AB5CCF78@microtronics.com.au> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 13:26:02 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: List Server Vortex Subject: Re: PMOD Initial Results (35-40ns FCRT confirmed) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"qRt2M.0.F93.7QjIq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1451 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Richard Austin wrote: > > >Ferrite Critical Reaction Time > > > >1) I have measured the FCRT at 40ns for a 1 amp initial ramp using 30 > >turns. > >2) I have measures the FCRT at 35ns for a 5 amp initial ramp using 15 > >turns. > > (Same coil, just tapped half way down) > > > > ---- > Are there other materials that would be much slower to react than Ferrite. This would allow slower switching? > ---- > Richard Austin -- email: richarda@icx.net -- radio: KG7SU HI Richard, I am building a test rig to easily checkout various ferrites, but most I have tested todate are around 30-50ns. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 19 21:01:55 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA14657; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 21:01:44 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 21:01:44 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971019215717.007110f8@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 21:57:17 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: Re: Air Core Inductor Equation In-Reply-To: References: <3447EF6C.8E14A1C0@microtronics.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"THr4h2.0.ra3.dUjIq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1452 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi all... Wheeler's formula for the inductance of a long solenoid... L = A^2 N^2 / 9A + 10B A = radius in inches B = length in inches L = inductance in micro Henries N = number of turns Modified for an Achemedian spiral... L = A^2 N^2 / 8A + 11C A = average radius in inches C = width of the conductor in inches They may not be the most accurate formula but they work for me. --------------------------------------------------------------- "Our frightful gods have only changed their names-now they rhyme with "ism."" -Jung mules@palacenet.net --------------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 19 22:58:03 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA05204; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 22:57:45 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 22:57:45 -0700 Message-ID: <344AF2A1.FFD5D63E@microtronics.com.au> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 15:26:49 +0930 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List Server Freenrg CC: List Server Vortex Subject: PMOD FCRT Final Results Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"IRxuE.0.3H1.LBlIq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1453 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi All, Would any of you who believe the FCRT waveforms are transmission line reflections, fet cap, or coil resonance please refer the the latest posted data. The tests, I believe are conclusive. The waveforms are clean and real. The FCRT is real. Now lets get onto reducing the coil drive pulse width to less than 35ns and let the B field do some real work and not just causing back Emf. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 19 23:28:18 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA09803; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 23:26:42 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 23:26:42 -0700 Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 00:25:23 -0600 (MDT) From: Steve Ekwall X-Sender: ekwall2@november To: List Server Vortex cc: Greg Watson , List Server Freenrg , List Server NeoTech , List Server Newman Subject: Re: RMOG claims? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"98uXZ.0.-O2.XclIq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1454 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Fri, 17 Oct 1997, Peter Jason Aldo wrote: ---snip--- >>offered to pay for transportation, however, you did not reply. If you do >>not want to travel to Ohio, could you send a generator for us to test or >>at least more details? I, nor the people I work with are not out to steal >>your invention, just to find out if you really have an overunity device. >>My E-Mail account will be closed on the 25'th of October, so you may >>contact me at work after that if you wish. >> >>Sincerely, >>Pete J. Aldo >> >>Stirling Technology >>178 Mill St. >>Athens, Ohio 45701 >>614-594-2277 >> >> can i help? ouch, could I send you some money Before 10.25 so you can keep your e-mail account??? (OR MAYBE, since Greg didn't reply, could you TAKE the money you said you had set aside for his transportation and APPLY that so you can have your e-mail??? (last resort, try www.juno.com before 10.25 and get free e-mail).. For the Most current activities that anyone HAS try his web site when your Back-on-line at "http://www.microtronics.co.au/gwatson" ------- He WILL probably have some generators to ship to Ohio soon, but you should look at the the frame and the scope of the project here to get some perspective of when you can expect them. -=se=- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 19 23:39:40 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA12614; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 23:38:05 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 23:38:05 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971020003333.006ac8ec@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 00:33:33 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: Re: PMOD Initial Results (35-40ns FCRT confirmed) In-Reply-To: <344AD652.AB5CCF78@microtronics.com.au> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"ipq6f.0._43.CnlIq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1455 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Greg, POMD folk, Thank you for the latest update, Greg. The waveforms presented are very interesting. First, I'd like to be clear on one point. I don't doubt that there is a change in the current due to Bloch wall movement.... This is how I understand the process of magnetizing ferrites with short, high-current, pulses. First the domain walls move. This happens very quickly as the magnetons only have to rotate a few degrees. Then the magnetons flip over and the domain walls move back to their original potions, but with their magnetons rotated 180 degrees. So you should see a leading edge spike, followed by a slower rise as the domains begin to flip over. The decay in the current due to the cessation of wall movement, and the start of the domains flipping over, (to me) does not indicate a _reversal_ in the current. I think this is were we disagree. At the very instant that the voltage is applied to the coil the parasitic capacitance must begin to charge. Usually, except in coils having very few turns, (like a single pass through the center of a toroid) this capacitive current predominates, and it causes a short leading edge spike in the current waveform. In your first waveform (the air core coil) this artifact is completely missing. I don't want to appear argumentative, I just don't understand how this can be so. Would you please explain how this can happen to me? Best Regards, JD --------------------------------------------------------------- "Our frightful gods have only changed their names-now they rhyme with "ism."" -Jung mules@palacenet.net --------------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 19 23:58:32 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA15566; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 23:56:55 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 23:56:55 -0700 Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 23:56:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710200656.XAA26744@sweden.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Werjefelt paper Resent-Message-ID: <"hj1NI3.0.6p3.s2mIq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1456 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I have been reading Bertil Werjefelt's on Stefan H's. page, http://www.overunity.de, and have several questions. In one place he states that a current in a superconducting loop continuing with time breaks some conservation law. Why is this? In a regular solenoid or other electromagnet, when the coil if fed DC in the steady state, ALL the input power is used as I^2R losses, none is added to the magnetic energy of 0.5LI^2, which was supplied as the difference between the battery energy supplied and the I^2R loss when the current was turned on. This doesn't violate any conservation law. A superconductor just has R=0. Of course, energy is required to change the field. He also mentioned that the torque of a 2 pole generator is +/- in following quadrants of rotation. I think the electrical torque is always +, that is, energy has to be supplied. The reluctance torque (I made this term up), that is the torque without armature current, the attraction of the 2 poles to the magnetic field, can be + or -, depending on if the armature (think of a rotating steel bar) is moving toward or away from the magnetic poles. Thus, with another set of PM's he can cancel the reluctance (no load) torque, but NOT the electrical (back emf) torque. He is in fact, making the (no load) torque look like a 4-pole machine instead of a 2-pole. This is one reason DC generators are usually wound with many more than 2 or 4 poles. Siemens did a lot of this work in the (approx) 1870's. The Siemens' "H" logo is really a representation of a 2-pole armature. -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 20 00:04:05 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA16675; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 00:01:02 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 00:01:02 -0700 Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 00:59:44 -0600 (MDT) From: Steve Ekwall X-Sender: ekwall2@november To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: PMOD Initial Results (35-40ns FCRT confirmed) In-Reply-To: <199710172240.SAA19161@mail.wincom.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"p9pBB1.0.M44.i6mIq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1457 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Fri, 17 Oct 1997, wood wrote: -snip- greg wrote: >>>Weird idea, why do some of you ask me about health effects when >>>working around this stuff? What do you know / suspect that I don't >>>know? My flu didn't start until I fired up the PMOD rig. -snip- wood wrote: >>this is an interesting tale.Both researchers working independently came up >>with the idea of curing diseases with radio frequencies. The first side >>effect is flu like symtoms which they believed were the destroyed >>disease,germ, viruses etc. leaving the body.If you have an incredible burst >>of energy and ambition next you are experiencing another of the documented >>signs of the device working. >> Woody >> weird x 4 No lie, every child birth (4) my wife had, had "incredible burst of energy and ambition".. (the DAY before), she even HAD to physcially run down our dog to take him to the vet (for no known vet. reason).. It Does Get Strange Out There, Right Before a Birth (of anything!?!)... I still still can't figure the pickle angle, nevertheless exploding pickle jars :] Hope it's a big happy bouncy BOY! good luck -greg- & good health & of course, be careful. -=se=- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 20 06:50:27 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id GAA15584; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 06:49:25 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 06:49:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710201348.LAA30641@bigbox.plug-in.com.br> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Marcelo Puhl" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 11:49:38 -3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Ferrite Toroid Resonance Reply-to: mark@plug-in.com.br Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Resent-Message-ID: <"t8PGN3.0.Np3.Y5sIq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1458 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I have found my ferrite toroid resonates at 2.6 MHz. The test was made with two separated coils. One of them conected to a RF generator and the other to a resistive load and osciloscope. The bandwidth was something about 100 kHz. I'll do more tests. Marcelo From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 20 16:48:16 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA32012; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 16:47:34 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 16:47:34 -0700 From: bpaddock@csonline.net (Bob Paddock) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: IRF510 Gate charge Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 19:27:32 -0400 Organization: is mostly via piles Reply-To: bpaddock@csonline.net Message-ID: References: <3.0.1.32.19971019130922.00d09974@palacenet.net> In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19971019190353.00774b1c@palacenet.net> Lines: 64 Resent-Message-ID: <"-WWyw.0.3q7.Ks-Iq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1459 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: In article <3.0.1.32.19971019190353.00774b1c@palacenet.net>, you wrote: >No one maintains my companies library...which is >probably why power transistor data books from >Delco, TRW, RCA, and GE, are still on the shelves. You should keep them there. Old GE transistor manuals, and especial their tyristor hand book, long since out of print. See requests for that on in places like EDN ever once in a while. We still have equipment in the filed from 20 years ago, and you can't get the info any other way these days. >True, I think there's more to be learned by putzing around >with a circuit for a few weeks than most managers realize. >It's luxury that most designers can't afford, but then, that's >what our weekends are for. Yep. I keep setting fire to this one high voltage power supply (National Semi. LB-47) in a effort to improve my weekends, and apply some of the things from the list here. >with a circuit for a few weeks than most managers realize. Here is the Bean Counter Plan: The Plan: In the beginning was the Plan. And then came the Assumptions. And the Assumptions were without form. And the Plan was without substance. And darkness was upon the face of the Workers. And the workers spoke among themselves, saying, "This is a crock of shit, and it stinks." And the Workers went unto their Supervisors and said, "It is a pail of dung, and we can't live with the smell." And the Supervisors went unto their Managers, saying, "It is a container of excrement, and it is very strong, such that none may abide by it." And the Managers went unto their Directors, saying, "It is a vessel of fertilizer, and none may abide its strength." And the Directors spoke among themselves, saying to one another, "It contains that which aids plant growth, and it is very strong." And the Directors went to the Vice Presidents, saying unto them, "It promotes growth, and it is very powerful.." And the Vice Presidents went to the President, saying unto him, "This new plan will actively promote the growth and vigor of the company with very powerful effects." And the President looked upon the Plan and saw that it was good. And the Plan became Policy. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 20 17:54:09 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA17810; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 17:53:54 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 17:53:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971020212750.00868da8@cnct.com> X-Sender: knagel@cnct.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 21:27:52 -0400 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Keith Nagel Subject: re: PMOD FCRT final results etc Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"d5pPc1.0.9M4.Uq_Iq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1460 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Greetings : The last two wavesforms look substantially different from the initial pulse shown back in Oct11. Please post the whole waveform as it would currently be seen, to put the current data in context. Yes, I realize you are only interested in the first 50 or so ns, but it will help everyone to understand the circuit. Keith From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 20 18:34:33 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA26703; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 18:32:11 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 18:32:11 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971020220604.00868da8@cnct.com> X-Sender: knagel@cnct.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 22:06:06 -0400 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Keith Nagel Subject: re: IRF510 Gate charge Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"SXmcm1.0.6X6.QO0Jq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1461 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: JD writes : >The gate capacitance is always the difficulty in driving mosfets. >It's this capacitance, especially the gate to drain capacitance, >(miller effect capacitance) that makes large mosfets difficult to >drive when you require fast transition times. The resistance >losses are infinitesimal. Stray inductance may slow down >the transition time, but more often it destroys the mosfet >by causing excessive gate to source voltage. No doubt, my concern with paralleled FETS was less with driving the circuit closed and more with opening it ( the capacity from source to drain being sufficient to pass much current at high frequency ). The inductor problem you refer to will appear on open circuit as soon as you've solved the first problem; try breaking several amperes of current through a good sized inductor with no capacity to snubb; wow thats some spike ;-) Keith From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 20 18:55:36 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA30258; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 18:55:12 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 18:55:12 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971020215511.00863338@cnct.com> X-Sender: knagel@cnct.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 21:55:14 -0400 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Keith Nagel Subject: re: PMOD initial results Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"DN-xR.0.HO7._j0Jq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1462 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: JD writes >At the very instant that the voltage is applied >to the coil the parasitic capacitance must begin >to charge. Usually, except in coils having very >few turns, (like a single pass through the center >of a toroid) this capacitive current predominates, >and it causes a short leading edge spike in the current >waveform. I know what you are referring to, its the kind of thing you would see if you were hitting the ferrite rod/coil with a pulse and watching the other end. Here, the whole affair is charged with respect to ground, so I'm not sure you would see this effect on discharge. Or at least, you would be seeing all sorts of transient phenomena as well. Wonder what the bandwidth is of the scope/probe combination? Maybe the pertinent question to ask is; why expect gain from an inductor whose losses increase with frequency ( as the provided diagram indicates ). Keith From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 20 19:24:54 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA27492; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 19:24:18 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 19:24:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710210216.AAA02658@bigbox.plug-in.com.br> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Marcelo Puhl" To: "Fred Epps" Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 00:17:06 -3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Fw: WORKABILITY OF CLOSED SYSTEM DEVICES Reply-to: mark@plug-in.com.br CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Priority: normal In-reply-to: <199710202127.OAA19186@mail1.halcyon.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Resent-Message-ID: <"XQ1SC3.0.Sj6.A91Jq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1463 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > > I would like to see a test of the concept in the Dragone paper, in particular. > I was reading it and think it is feasible as a solid state machine too. The concepts there are similar to the Mr. Aspden Adam's motor explanation. But it needs further study... > > Yes, there may be something peculiar in the rotation of a mass that isn't > there in an electronic circuit. But the most successful overunity device > is probably the Moray device, which was solid-state....with an antenna. > What about the Testatika ? Marcelo From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 20 20:27:30 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA04998; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 20:27:02 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 20:27:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: richarda@mailhub.icx.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <344AD652.AB5CCF78@microtronics.com.au> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 23:28:14 -0400 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Richard Austin Subject: Re: PMOD Initial Results (35-40ns FCRT confirmed) Resent-Message-ID: <"WChcY3.0.vD1.242Jq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1464 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >Richard Austin wrote: >> >> >Ferrite Critical Reaction Time >> > >> >1) I have measured the FCRT at 40ns for a 1 amp initial ramp using 30 >> >turns. >> >2) I have measures the FCRT at 35ns for a 5 amp initial ramp using 15 >> >turns. >> > (Same coil, just tapped half way down) >> > >> >> ---- >> Are there other materials that would be much slower to react than Ferrite. This would allow slower switching? >> ---- >> Richard Austin -- email: richarda@icx.net -- radio: KG7SU > >HI Richard, > >I am building a test rig to easily checkout various ferrites, but most >I have tested todate are around 30-50ns. > >-- >Best Regards, > Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson Does it need to be ferrite? What about other magnetic materials? Richard Austin -- email: richarda@icx.net -- radio: KG7SU Check out the Institute for Planetary Renewal at http://user.icx.net/~richarda From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 20 21:23:45 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA31860; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 21:22:59 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 21:22:59 -0700 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Cc: mark@plug-in.com.br Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 21:09:48 -0700 Subject: Interesting story about Dagone and Moray. Message-ID: <19971020.210951.8622.3.tv@juno.com> References: <199710210216.AAA02658@bigbox.plug-in.com.br> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-4,6,8-13,21-22,27-28,34-35,45-46,54-55,59-64, 70-71,76-77,84-92 From: tv@juno.com (Tim D Vaughan) Resent-Message-ID: <"3yIZQ2.0.en7.Xu2Jq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1465 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Tue, 21 Oct 1997 00:17:06 -3 "Marcelo Puhl" writes: > I would like to see a test of the concept in the Dragone paper, in >particular. I was reading it and think it is feasible as a solid state machine >too. The concepts there are similar to the Mr. Aspden Adam's motor explanation. Hi Marcelo, This prompts me to provide a little background on the Dragone papers. The paper by the Physicist Leon Dragone was never published because Leon died before he could finish it and the associated work. His "magnetocalloric device" has many similarities to the PMOD of Greg Watson. Only Dragone's coils had thousands of windings and his pulse times were measured in millisecond instead of nanoseconds like in the PMOD. Dragone's coils where pulsed with high voltage at low current. There were also some similarities to some of the devices of Joseph Newman. Dragone impressed me as a man of integrity. He was open and honest He became a good friend of mine. He persisted in claiming that he was extracting more energy from recovered "back EMF" than he put in with his short pulses. He also claimed that he had measured temperature drops in his cores, and, interestingly, in his coils as well. I tooks Dragone's claims seriously not only because he was an M.I.T. trained physicist bucking the current dogma, but also because his ideas of macroscopic ordering of fluctuation energy by interacting spins ( magnetons) in ferromagnetic materials made good sense. Also some pretty prominent physicist such as James Clerk Maxwell and Nobel Laureate P.W. Bridgman had suggested similar ideas. It was my plan to travel ( I live in California) to visit him in Massachusetts in the Spring or Summer of 1990. He was going to show me his experiments. Sadly he died of a heart attack around Christmas 1989. He was born with a weak heart. He was in his 30's and lived with his mother and sister at the time. After his death I did not think it was appropriate to inquire about the disposition of his papers and inventions at first, but a few months later his mother told me that Andrew Mikrowski (sp ?) from the "Planetary Association of Clean Energy" asked for his materials saying that it was promised to him by Leon. Leon's mother gave it to him. I first met Leon at a conference hosted by P.A.C.E. in Quebec next to Ottawa. I also met several other interesting inventors and theorists including Thomas Bearden, Scott Strachan, and Harold Aspden. Later I learned that P.A.C.E. and Andrew Mikrowski are somehow associated with the National Research Council of Canada (similar to the C.I.A. ). That does not mean that P.A.C.E. is some kind of subversive organization, but I am sure that such agencies are interested in any new energy technologies. I take the idea of cohering energy with magnets seriously. I am very happy to see the work of Greg Watson progressing. Greg's work and ideas deserve serious attention, and like cold fusion require skeptical but persistent investigation. > But the most successful overunity device > is probably the Moray device, which was solid-state....with an antenna. Dragone told me that Thomas Henry Moray was one of his inspirations. After much research including the discussion with John Moray (Thomas's son) I too believe the story of Moray and his radiant energy device. Like John Moreland, I believe there was some radium in Moray's devices but I do not think that it could entirely explain the large power production ( well above a kilowatt) that Moray was able to demonstrate. There was not enough radium even available to produce those power levels. Just figure out how many pounds of radium it takes to get a 1000 watts of "particle power" ( 78 pounds ) and you will see what I mean. The total worlds production of radium in the 1930's was measured in grams. It is too bad that the Moray family has been unwilling to disclose more information. It is interesting that Moray's book, THE SEA OF ENERGY very well documents that Moray developed a transistor made of a very pure Germanium in the 1930's well in advance of Bell Labs. One of the people he showed this transistor to, was his relative Dr. Fletcher who worked with Robert Millikan (Fletcher claims he did the actual oil drop experiment) and later became the head of the division of Bell Labs that developed the transistor. I say so much for alien technology transfers ! Maybe Moray was an alien ! : - ) Tim Vaughan ( tv@juno.com ) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 20 22:57:51 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA21467; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 22:57:28 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 22:57:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971021135942.006a19bc@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> X-Sender: jwinter@cyllene.uwa.edu.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 13:59:42 +0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: John Winterflood Subject: Re: PMOD FCRT Final Results In-Reply-To: <344AF2A1.FFD5D63E@microtronics.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"hZF2g1.0.KF5.5H4Jq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1466 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 15:26 20/10/97 +0930, Greg Watson wrote: >Would any of you who believe the FCRT waveforms are transmission line >reflections, fet cap, or coil resonance please refer the the latest >posted data. > >The tests, I believe are conclusive. The waveforms are clean and >real. Good stuff Greg! You can do the experiments faster than I can keep up with all the email! Seeing both cases with and without the ferrite is very good. I am wondering how you are getting the CRO traces into the computer - are they hand sketched? Keith Nagel writes :- >The last two wavesforms look substantially different from the initial >pulse shown back in Oct11. Please post the whole waveform as it would >currently be seen, to put the current data in context. I agree that the unsketched waveform is also of great interest. But it would be much nicer if you could do it with the original large piece of antenna ferrite and coils with calculated inductance. Is there some problem with sliding the ferrite out of that one? I think there are likely to be too many things different about an entirely new coil and ferrite core for reasonable analytical discussion. One thing that worries me is the possibility that the capacitance may now be much greater than your well spaced coil and the initial ramp we see could be the parasitic capacitance charging spike that Jack DeMule would like to be seeing :- >At the very instant that the voltage is applied >to the coil the parasitic capacitance must begin >to charge. Usually, except in coils having very >few turns, (like a single pass through the center >of a toroid) this capacitive current predominates, >and it causes a short leading edge spike in the current >waveform. In your first waveform (the air core coil) >this artifact is completely missing. I don't want >to appear argumentative, I just don't understand how >this can be so. Would you please explain to me how >can happen? Another possible answer to Jack's question may be that the fet turn-on is not really so fast compared to the expected spike and so it is simply smeared out over the first 10ns or so. Greg finishes: >The FCRT is real. Now lets get onto reducing the coil drive pulse >width to less than 35ns and let the B field do some real work and not >just causing back Emf. and Keith comments: >Yes, I realize you are only interested in the first 50 or so ns, I think that this is wrong. I don't think you should be trying to reduce your pulse width to less than 35ns. What the waveforms are telling you is that when the current is negative, you are recovering some of the energy that you put in during the initial positive current pulse. So you want to capture this entire negative pulse and turn off just as the current reaches zero at the end of it. Think of it from the supply's point of view. The fet turns on and current start to flow out of the supply taking energy from it. Then a moment later the current reverses and so is pumping energy *back* into the supply (or bypass caps). The amount of energy is integral[V I dt] and since the supply voltage is constant it is simply proportional to the area under the current waveform curve. So if the positive area is equal to the negative area (which it is not far off in some traces) then *NO* energy is taken from the supply for that period. So a following thought is that if you could use a device which automatically turns off when the reverse current through it falls to zero, then you wouldn't have to worry much about accurate timing and adjusting the timing under varying loading (by a proposed power generation coil sharing the same core). The free- wheeling diode within the fet will in theory give this to you (in which case you should simply leave out the SBYV27-50 diode) but I don't think they have a very fast turn off time. So what you probably need is another SBYV27-50 diode bridging the fet and first diode. Incidentally that reverse current pulse that we have seen must be getting through the SBYV27-50 diode that you have there which suggests that it does not turn off very quickly in fact. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 21 17:10:17 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA01353; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 17:09:27 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 17:09:27 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971021204204.007fa528@cnct.com> X-Sender: knagel@cnct.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 20:42:07 -0400 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Keith Nagel Subject: re: PMOD initial results Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"rNYPs3.0.zK.sGKJq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1488 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: JD writes : >Today I ran across a rather interesting device for this type of >project, the Micrel MIC4610/4611, is worth a look. In an earlier post I mentioned the MIC4452, which I usually use for FET and IGBT driving. This part is new, eh? I should get back on these foax mailing list... Frankly, JD, nothing beats a trigatron for pulse generation. Keith From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 27 21:59:18 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA10886; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 21:58:28 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 21:58:28 -0800 Message-ID: <34557B93.3119@xtra.co.nz> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 18:43:47 +1300 From: Robbie Rowntree Reply-To: rown@xtra.co.nz X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-XTRA (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: singing rocks References: <3.0.3.32.19971022182406.00697500@palacenet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"OL8iK1.0.-f2.2yNLq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1691 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Been thinking about these things for ages there are two possibilities that i can see using copper wire and electric current , electrolysis water store the hydrogen in a open bottomed balloon made from gold beaters skin glued with egg white and a woven net ,10 q ft lifts 75lbs hard to hide in the case of Edward Leedskalnins coral castle . so how about some thing a bit simpler and crazier a flat coil spiral carnt spell starts with f, spiral like a sea shell, no I cannot explain the physiques of how it might work but who has [would] studyed [ T Brown] the effects of non magnetic materiel in electromagnetic fields ,or truly understands magnetism there are NO laws only effects when you think about balancing a mass of many tons on say an 1" radii the easy way is from the top of the mass ,placing the mystery coil configuration atop the rock power up immediately you see were the centre is ,if off it rolls tilts to one side. -- **RRAMM** Good Waves Robbie Rowntree Self powered*Magnetic Motors*Electic Gen *Anti gravity EXPERIMENTAL RESEARCH From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 28 00:37:26 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA14037; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 00:36:48 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 00:36:48 -0800 Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 00:36:03 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199710280836.AAA28194@denmark.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: Flip-Coil was (Re: RMOG V1.0 and hints) Resent-Message-ID: <"F8MDT2.0.9R3.VGQLq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1692 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Jack and everyone, At 04:07 PM 10/27/97 -0600, you wrote: >Hi all... > >You can find a scan of the flip-coil >article in the 'files' area of my web >page. The file is called flip.gif and >it's 144Kb long. > Thanks for the info. I finished the flip-coil magnetometer and it seems to work, with slow drift- Reset before a measurement. I first tried a LF353, and had trouble with it, so changed to 2 single op amps. a LM301A with offset adjust, and a LF351. (What I had on hand). So far I've tested several magnets, the Neodyn. ones measure about 3X stronger than some ceramics. Will try it with electromagnets, too. It should be as calibrated as my coil and resistors. -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 28 01:24:51 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA18221; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 01:24:36 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 01:24:36 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971028032416.00cec2ec@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 03:24:16 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: magnetic dimensional resonance. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Ys-F92.0.cS4.JzQLq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1693 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Greg, all.... I've looked high and low for more information on magnetic dimensional resonance, no joy. The single article on the subject in HFPC '95, and quoted from on October 15, didn't have any additional information on the issue. Except, in passing, did mentioned that this subject was discussed at a meeting of the Magnetic Materials Producers Association. I'll try contacting MMPA to see if they can help. Best Regards, JD --------------------------------------------------------------- "Our frightful gods have only changed their names-now they rhyme with "ism."" -Jung mules@palacenet.net --------------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 28 01:54:54 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA22780; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 01:54:41 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 01:54:41 -0800 X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 23:51:25 -1000 To: Free Energy List From: Rick Monteverde Subject: megalith transport, pyramid building Resent-Message-ID: <"cBDlb2.0.lZ5.WPRLq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1694 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Has anyone here mastered the art of water starting a sailboard? Or tried to learn to hang glide on a windy day on the sand dunes and - with two guys still trying to hold the glider down by the lead wires - get blown over backwards and upside down? (that makes for *hilarious* video) Or has anyone ever got their sailboat caught by a big side puff while sheeted in hard, or had the bow dig in from a strong puff of wind on the stern while running downwind? Then you know the force available from sails under certain conditions. The ancients had sails, and didn't the ancient Egyptians use them on rigs for lifting water into aqueducts? I just wondered if anyone here knows if any of the published Good Guesses at how they got all those blocks up the big pyramids included mention of wind power. We know they probably used mud slicks to move huge rocks horizontally; one ancient image shows teams of men pulling a huge sculpture with workers pouring water(?) on the ground in front of them. To drag blocks up the face of the monuments with wind, you wouldn't need winches, wheels, or even metal. If you're building an artificial hill in a windy place, you've got countless megawatts of free energy flowing *up* at least one face of your construction project. An array of good sized sails with pivoting masts like they used on those river dhows might have provided enormous power for dragging blocks directly up a prepared (mud slicked) dragway at the angle of the pyramid - no extra earth ramp needed. Dragways could be easily built on all faces to catch whatever wind was blowing that day. To work the lift, luff all the rigs forward into the wind, take up the slack on a common line or lines attached to the block or blocks, then everyone sheets in at once - and everything slides another meter or so up the face. Pawls (guided by - pawlbearers?) could drag behind each block to catch on smaller steplike features beside or along the center of the dragway to prevent backsliding during slack-offs. Skilled "sailors" working such rigs in a rythmic way could probably repeat the lunge move pretty rapidly - maybe in 8 or 10 second cycles or better? 1 or 2 meters per stroke? A block might take 5 minutes to go up 50 meters of ramp. A block train with each block spaced several meters apart would deliver a block about every 45 seconds to a minute, more or less. 3 dozen sails each capable of pulling 450 kg might be able to work a continuous train of 8 to 10 of the 2300 kg blocks. Assume some muscle power too to help break friction and guide and propel the blocks on the ramps. The only thing I really don't like about the mass-manpower-alone method is the logistics of keeping all that human muscle healthy and productive for any reasonable length of time. I figure there *had* to be some clever mechanical ideas at work, but they don't necessarily have to be extraordinary, antigravity, etc. , although I wouldn't mind it if they were. I just like wind power. Anybody else? - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 28 05:07:23 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA11655; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 05:06:50 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 05:06:50 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3455B45A.C6B0A635@microtronics.com.au> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 20:16:02 +1030 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List Server Freenrg CC: List Server Vortex Subject: RMOG 28/10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"39sEO2.0.ur2.aDULq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1695 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: HI All, I have updated my RMOG page with more sims. I have shown the DMEC effect stopping as the Flux gate reaches the centre line of the magnet. This shows that the coil can ONLY be shorted for a short amount of time during the Flux gate's initial entry into the air gap. Like ALL of life, timing is critical. I will load a New Design this evening. The design overcomes both static and dynamic thrust / torque loading on the bearings. It uses two disc with a central coil and two sets of magnets on the outside. The plans should be up in about 4 hours. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 28 05:09:01 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA10326; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 05:08:32 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 05:08:32 -0800 Message-ID: <3455E3AC.6B80AB3C@microtronics.com.au> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 23:37:56 +1030 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List Server Freenrg CC: List Server Vortex Subject: RMOG Mk2 Design Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"h5yHK.0.7X2.EFULq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1696 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: HI All, I have loaded a new RMOG design to overcome both static and dynamic thrust bearing loads. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 28 05:18:13 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA11491; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 05:17:52 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 05:17:52 -0800 Message-ID: <3455E5E4.748B1659@microtronics.com.au> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 23:47:24 +1030 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com CC: List Server Freenrg Subject: RMOG Mk2 Comments References: <19971027232126.19735.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"gaWae3.0.Np2.-NULq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1697 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Peter Aldo wrote: > > There are little thrust load losses in my generator because there are > two sets of magnets on opposing sides of the two discs which balance out > the thrust loads. > > >My goal, with this simple design is to reduce coil Open load to the > >same as the No magnet load. Once I get there, things will happen > >quick. > > Yes, if you can do this, then you will have an overunity device, since > power needed to spin it decreases when the coils are shorted. > > Pete HI Peter, Have a look at the RMOG Mk2 initial plans (RMOG 29/10/97 Update). Is this close to your unit? Have you incorporated the coil short timing in your unit? Check on the 27/10 & 28/10 updates to see what happens to the flux flowing through the flux gate at the two different positions. While the RMOG's DMEC effect exists with a full time coil short, it is VERY weak. The coil short timing restrictions really bring it out. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 28 05:36:18 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA13699; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 05:34:14 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 05:34:14 -0800 Message-ID: <3455DA0C.CA733A76@pavilion.co.uk> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 13:27:05 +0100 From: Rob Dowse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: An interesting patented ( ? ) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <971014125426_1666342899@emout20.mail.aol.com> <3447AF2F.8FEF08B9@pavilion.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"xyqwy2.0.tL3.KdULq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1698 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Rob Dowse wrote: > In one embodiment the rotor or conveyor (the ball in the SMOT) > is > suspended between the propultion walls, like poles repelling and > gravity > pulling into equillibrium, which does away with the need for a guide > rail, so rolling friction disapears! I am not convinced, (Ernshaw was > > it?) but I'll try this next week when my flu goes too! > > > > JNaudin509@aol.com wrote: > > > Hi All, > > > > You will find an interesting device at : > > > > http://patent.womplex.ibm.com/cgi-bin/viewpat.cmd/4074153 > > > > Look at the drawing figures.......interesting,.....this recall me > > something.... Hi all, I tried this and cannot see how it will work. The conveyor has to be restrained other wise it flies off towards one or other of the walls. However I did see a tendency for the conveyor to be pulled in the direction of the 'increased' flux end of the array. I say increased but the walls inner faces both have like poles, so I'm not sure exactly waht is going on here. Any Ideas out there? I'd like to see the missing diagrams. I bet a restraining (rotary?) apparatus is described. Can US patents be granted without a prototype? I guess they can, but a glance at this suspended in mid-air arrangment would surley have been kicked out on paper evidence alone? -- --==oo==-- Best wishes, Rob Dowse From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 28 05:38:23 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA14627; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 05:38:03 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 05:38:03 -0800 Message-ID: <3455D58A.1075208F@pavilion.co.uk> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 13:07:50 +0100 From: Rob Dowse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Hold Your Hand Up X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Fmc5P2.0.Ka3.ugULq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1699 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Rick Monteverde wrote: > My results are already published for "the edification of the > whole world" > as a part of the late Chris Tinsley's article on the SMOTs in Infinite > > Energy Vol. 3, #13/#14. I have been building SMOT's and would be VERY intrested to have a copy of this article. Any chance of email or a posting on the list from any one? (I know back issues are available from the magazine but if I start to pay for every thing I'm interested in I go broke in a few months!! Any way my results, for what they are worth, are free) > Seriously, I think the rollaways and maybe even the rollarounds > are > possible and did occur for some people, and involve the replenishing > of a > cyclically varying magnetic potential difference between the magnets > and > the ferrite or iron ball by some odd thing like the magnetocaloric > effect. > It might be weird, "OU", and maybe even significant, but not > necessarily > unconventional. But if it does work and it *is* unconventional, I'll > take > it anyway. > > - Rick Monteverde > Honolulu, HI Hi Rick and all, I posted on <3/10/97 SMOT Mk3 ramp results>. I still think the SMOT effect is like trying to balance a pencil on it's point and that the "Blue Hole" is simply another 'direction' into which the captured energy is returned to maintain equilibrium. Boring, I know, but this way is better and harder as I'm trying to disprove my best theory to achieve what I want:- a bench-top o.u. device. BTW I thought the attitude of Richard Wayne Wall a little agressive. I understand how frustrating it is waiting for results that can be replicated, Richard, but you cannot jump in and expect people to dance to your tune no matter how flimsy you think they and/or their claims may be. There are no easy ways to define the rules for replication precicley because no one knows what the rules are!! If they did we would have a mature technology. That is what knowing the rules means. We may be witnessing the birth of new technologies which we know very little about and as someone said on the list a few days ago, an elusive effect needs DEVELOPMENT before it becoms what you, Richard and I would guess what most other people here want, a bench-top reproducable proof of principal device that anyone can build with a set of tested instructions. So be patient. And if I ever build a working device you can come to my workshop and shoot and pay for the video yourself. (Anyone know about image manipulation, conjuring etc?) Thanks to Greg Watson, Jean-Louis Naudin and many others on this list for sharing their work and inspiring me. Thanks. -- --==oo==-- Rob Dowse From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 28 05:56:48 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA19497; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 05:53:57 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 05:53:57 -0800 Message-ID: <3455EE09.1502D030@microtronics.com.au> Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 00:22:09 +1030 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: List Server Vortex Subject: Publish Chris's IE Smot Article? References: <3455D58A.1075208F@pavilion.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Q3_3Z1.0.Fm4.mvULq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1700 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Rob Dowse wrote: > > Rick Monteverde wrote: > > > My results are already published for "the edification of the whole world" > > as a part of the late Chris Tinsley's article on the SMOTs in Infinite > > Energy Vol. 3, #13/#14. > > I have been building SMOT's and would be VERY intrested to have a copy > of this article. Any chance of email or a posting on the list from any > one? (I know back issues are available from the magazine but if I start > to pay for every thing I'm interested in I go broke in a few months!! > Any way my results, for what they are worth, are free) HI Rob, I have a faxed copy of the article and can put it up quickly. Hey, Jed & Gene. OK to publish Chris's SMOT IE article on my site? -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 28 08:22:01 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA17404; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 08:21:08 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 08:21:08 -0800 Message-ID: <345610DB.DCD12909@microtronics.com.au> Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 02:50:43 +1030 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com, List Server Freenrg Subject: Re: Greg Watson's RMOG MK2 design?????????????????????????? References: <19971028133842.6280.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"nPTz31.0.qF4.o3XLq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1701 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Peter Aldo wrote: > > Hello Greg and all, > > I don't like to accuse anyone of anything, especially stealing ideas, > but it seems strange to me that you should post your MK2 RMOG design two > days after I posted a description of my two magnet, two disk, single > coil design on Vortex-l. I've been working on this generator for three > years. I showed it at the 1997 New Energy Symposium in Denver. I've used > it as my thesis project in College. I don't care if you use my ideas > that I freely gave out to you and all on this discussion, group, > however, please give credit where credit is due! > > Pete Aldo HI Peter, I have not seen your design. I did ask you to send me the magnetic circuit and I would do a QF sim for you, but I never got a answer. If you would kindly sent me the plans, specs, etc, I will be pleased to publish them on my RMOG site with full credit to you. The more the merrier. Please recheck the 29/10 update. Be sure to hit reload. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 28 09:38:56 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA11380; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 09:38:18 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 09:38:18 -0800 (PST) From: tv@juno.com To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Cc: dameron@earthlink.net Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 09:36:29 -0800 Subject: Re: Interesting story about Dragone Message-ID: <19971028.093742.3286.0.tv@juno.com> References: <199710230719.AAA08570@denmark.it.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,4-5,7-14,17-21,23-24,26-27,29,32-36,38,40-41, 43-45,47,49,51-52,54-56 Resent-Message-ID: <"eau722.0.dn2.1CYLq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1702 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Dave, In some versions of Dragone's devices he had a stationary coil. It really resembles Watson's PMOD except with thousands of windings, a permanent magnet core and high voltage excitation of the large coil. Also many similariities to some of Joseph Newmans motors as well. Unortunately, almost all the information I have about coil etc. is posted on the documents Dragone send me. http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/4810/dragone1.html Some of Dragone's coils had as many as 100,000 turns as I recall. Very small wire. I will look at my note of conversations I had with him. I appreciate how Greg Watson is carefully documenting his work and making it as simple as possible. I just received my ferrite cores (rods and E-cores) from AMIDON will try some experiments this weekend. Tim ( tv@juno.com ) On Thu, 23 Oct 1997 00:19:22 -0700 (PDT) Dave Dameron writes: >Hi Tim, >Yes, I thank you for posting L. Dragone's paper. It was very interesting to >me. I have been investigating the inductance effect of the PM with the >partial cancellation of the B field. So far I haven't found much,I guess, >since my solenoids have been mismatched to the PM I've used. In Dragone's,>paper, >cancel the magnets field. I don't remember the voltage or current. Since >the magnet was rotating in the core, and switching the coil current, an >effect he wasn't looking directly at, I assume he was testing a Newman >motor. Maybe someone connected with Joe Newman knew which >motor Dragone was testing, and could give more information on the coil - >diameter, number of turns, etc? Then I could calculate the B field and flux. >Can anyone recommend a formula for the inductance of a multi-layer solenoid >such as these? I have seen: >L(uH)=2.03N^2a^2/(6a+9l+10d) where a=(mean) radius, 1=length, and d=thickness of >the winding, all in meters. >The ferromagnetic effects of the magnet affect the inductance, but if the >magnet has "stiff" domains, it would look like a low permeability material. >If any domains switched, I assume they would with high "hysteresis" loss. >Until I get a better matched coil configuration and magnet, will not investigate >the thermal energy transfer. >-Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 28 14:46:46 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA18713; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 14:43:58 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 14:43:58 -0800 Message-ID: <34566BFE.C67@keelynet.com> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 14:49:34 -0800 From: Jerry Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: megalith transport, pyramid building References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"tFPmO2.0.8a4.ggcLq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1703 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On sails to move the pyramid stones.... Hi Rick et. al.! Most of the time we were on the Gizeh Plateau, usually around Cheops or Khefren, there was very little if any wind, and that was for about 6 days....there were dustdevils of very short duration and limited to a very small area as they raced across the plain, but nothing near the wind you would need to sustain a sail staying up and providing any kind of useful push....even when on top of the pyramid at night, there was only an occasional light breeze that would drop off quickly... Your idea is quite different but unless they had ways to control the winds, I can't see it having worked.. My favorite premise is the use of sound (as by Keely and Leedskalnin) to lessen the weight of the stones....as Cayce said when asked how the pyramids were built; 'stone floats in air as iron floats in water'. A cryptic reference to the bible where the prophet Elisha was overseeing the building of a new religious commune on the banks of the river Jordan. He found one of the students sitting on the river bank, crying. When asked what was the matter, the student said he had borrowed the axe of a woodcutter friend and while chopping wood, the iron axehead had flown off and sunk in the river. Elisha said not to worry, inserted his staff into the water (probably chanted something, though not stated in the text) and within seconds the iron axehead had floated up to the surface (NOT ABOVE) of the water....the student retrieved it and all was well.... >From my concept of this event, the priest used the staff touching the water as a conduit for his chant, the vibrations were conducted into the water where they resonated with IRON, to cause it to lose weight and become buoyant enough to float to the surface... Years ago, I read a translation of a series of pictographs showing the levitation of a huge stone block....it showed the covering of four sides of the stone by wetted papyrus with one exposed face...a priest struck the exposed face ONCE with a specially carved wooden rod....the rod was pulled back, then touched again to the stone face....the stone would then float up in the air and could be moved like a styrofoam block for the length of 3 bowshots..... My concept of what happened, the rod was specially carved to produce the vibrations needed to suppress gravity inflows....much like a frequency divider/multiplier (I don't know which direction)...so when the rod is first struck against the stone, it SAMPLED the natural resonant frequency of the stone....when it was pulled back, the rod altered the natural frequency (conjugated??) to what was necessary to alter the gravity...then the rod was touched to the stone, where these new frequencies were injected into the stone, suppressed/reflected from the wetted papyrus covered surfaces, projecting downwards to cause lift....so there.... -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://www.keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / KeelyNet BBS (214) 324-3501 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite, Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 28 14:57:51 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA20713; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 14:53:30 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 14:53:30 -0800 Message-ID: <3456925E.50A1@keelynet.com> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 17:33:18 -0800 From: Jerry Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Fwd: Re: Info about new motor] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------140C18892320" Resent-Message-ID: <"BAWOJ3.0.R35.epcLq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1704 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------140C18892320 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Folks! Here is a response and URL I received from Dr. de Vree about this new motor; --------------140C18892320 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from emout31.mail.aol.com (emout31.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.14]) by centurion.flash.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA17746 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 16:48:10 -0600 (CST) From: Dactylon1@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout31.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id RAA00759 for jdecker@keelynet.com; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 17:47:31 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 17:47:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971028174110_458429916@emout02.mail.aol.com> To: jdecker@keelynet.com Subject: Re: Info about new motor X-UIDL: fa3ff34afce7cd29e762a64f1580dd4c X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 In a message dated 97-10-28 15:23:35 EST, you write: << Hi Dr. DeVree! Bill Beaty posted your email about the discovery of a means to tap the wheelwork of nature as proposed by Tesla. I am most interested in this as are countless of thousands of others people and would like more information. >> We have the device working and well understood as to the Quantum Physics background. We are now building the propper controls such that the device does not over spin and disintegrates. Further the device produces plasma balls (like ball lightening) which need to be contained. The is no energy source other than the 13 dimensionality of Space Time. Differential Electric Magnetic Vortex is the key. See: http://members.aol.com/dactylon1/index.html also linked from/to http://zenergy.com I will be in Houston to discuss funding. Right now I cannot say if investment opportuniites are available, pending my discussions with offshore bankers. However, I am looking for good people and credible sources for possible participation in the proliferation of the technology and business structures. Albert de Vree, Ph.D.E.E. Time = Negative Space (4 dim) Tesla Knew it all.... --------------140C18892320-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 28 15:30:01 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA31185; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 15:29:15 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 15:29:15 -0800 Message-ID: <34567526.E36569CD@microtronics.com.au> Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 09:58:38 +1030 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List Server Freenrg CC: List Server Newman , List Server Vortex Subject: SMOT Shipping Schedule update Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"uvx9h2.0.0d7.8LdLq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1705 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi All, Updated info on the SMOT Mk4 shipping schedule can be found at http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson/smotkitstatus.html There is also info on how the SMOT Mk4 rollaround works. Its more complex than you may have thought. I should have done it yesterday. Sorry. Anyone know how to make 48 hour days? -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 28 15:40:28 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA01333; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 15:40:03 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 15:40:03 -0800 X-Sender: bailey@best.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 15:38:23 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com (Freengr List) From: pgb@padrak.com (Patrick Bailey) Subject: Request for Data on Robert Pavlita Geometry Resent-Message-ID: <"y4VW72.0.dK.GVdLq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1706 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Request: -------+ There have been very big breakthroughs in geometry that have entirely changed physics. It was in the hands of the governments in 1984, now just very slowly leaking public. Came from a Czech, Robert Pavlita, who kept the basis secret (see and old book cpter 28 Psychic Discoveries Behind the iron curtain) The geometry explains the 230 232 crystal sym, one of the strongest limits in nature. Explains the limit of 12 quarks. It can be only worded in 3-d. Lines and point, and therefore spheres do not exist. This geometry states firmly that there are a specific number of interrealated 'reality' systems, and that time is very different from what einstein thought it was. And this is the real reason for the media push to prepare people. I have more information if you have an interest. Would particularly like to speak to people (this field) with backgrounds in 1- crystal geometry 2- numeric progression (hard birds to find) and 3- even statistical theory as binomial is specific 3-d form (cone-ish) shape in this geometry. I have designed and copywrited a symbol set navigation system for the geometry and IBM has shown a curiosity (excuse spellin). I am a graphic artist (mapmaker) with long time interest in Pavlita, and have approached more from this direction. Do you know anybody in the above areas? I would be very gratgeful if you could pass this on. Thank you Michael Donovan ps geometry also explains the physics basis of music (tones) heretofore thought only psycological. -------+ Please forward to whomever may be interested. PB. Dr. Patrick G. Bailey President, Institute for New Energy http://www.padrak.com/ine/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 28 15:43:22 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA02550; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 15:43:04 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 15:43:04 -0800 Message-ID: <3456786B.D450B178@microtronics.com.au> Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 10:12:35 +1030 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com, List Server Freenrg Subject: Re: Greg Watson's RMOG MK2 design References: <19971028203843.13473.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"3cqsN1.0.fd.4YdLq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1707 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Peter Aldo wrote: > > Hi Greg, I did not supply you with my design since I was counseled to > keep it under wraps until I got the proper protection. Like I said I > don't like to accuse people for unsubstantiated actions, and I WASN'T > accusing you, however I hope you understand why I was quite shocked to > see the MK2 design and its similarities to my design right after I > described mine to you. Peter, I don't know if I read your post on the twin rotors first or not. To me, the design I posted was a logical progression from the work I had already posted. What is the old saying "Great minds think alike, fools seldom differ"? > >If you would kindly sent me the plans, specs, etc, I will be pleased > >to publish them on my RMOG site with full credit to you. The more the > merrier. > > Thank you very much for your offer. I will now be happy to send you my > generator information to add to your web site. I have a color picture > drawings, and test data. Sorry for any misunderstanding. Look forward to posting them for you. > Peter Aldo Hi Peter, Have you tried the RMOG's positional dependent coil shorting method? If you haven't and decide to implement this, use the photo interruptor and the circuit I have published. Its much better than the reed relay idea. Have you tried the RMOG's self motoring idea. I makes experimentation much easier as you don't need another lossy drive motor to contend with. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 28 15:51:59 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA05431; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 15:51:43 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 15:51:43 -0800 X-Sender: bailey@best.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 15:49:32 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: pgb@padrak.com (Patrick Bailey) Subject: Re: megalith transport, pyramid building Cc: jdecker@keelynet.com Resent-Message-ID: <"_5ofP2.0.gK1.EgdLq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1708 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: The manner in which the Great Pyramid stones were cut, transported, and put together is IMHO beyond our present science or your imagination. Read the facts and think about them. Dr. Patrick G. Bailey President, Institute for New Energy http://www.padrak.com/ine/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 28 15:53:11 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA05801; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 15:52:52 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 15:52:52 -0800 Message-ID: <34567ABE.AFB5F62C@microtronics.com.au> Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 10:22:30 +1030 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List Server Freenrg CC: List Server Vortex Subject: PMOD Ferrite Rods Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"CXaZY1.0.SQ1.IhdLq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1709 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: HI All, I have today secured 12 of the 9 x 10mm ferrite rods I am using in my PMOD development. If you wish to duplicate the PMOD results and REPORT your results here, I will send you rod. No Cost. That way, we all are using the same material and there is no MAGIC. Just send me your snail mail address. First come, first served. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 28 16:14:29 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA13394; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 16:14:15 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 16:14:15 -0800 Message-ID: <3456A53E.63DF@keelynet.com> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 18:53:50 -0800 From: Jerry Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: megalith transport, pyramid building References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"k6g-H.0.7H3.L_dLq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1710 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Patrick Bailey wrote: > > The manner in which the Great Pyramid stones were cut, transported, and put together is IMHO beyond our present science or your imagination. > > Read the facts and think about them. Way beyond my imagination.......the winner will have a working demonstration and technology, not the spit and wood rollers from PBS specials...beyond the megaliths we see, ain't no facts on this one dude.....maybe we could ask the Roswell aliens to help out on this too?....;) -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://www.keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / KeelyNet BBS (214) 324-3501 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite, Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 28 16:18:17 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA14574; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 16:17:30 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 16:17:30 -0800 Message-Id: <199710290013.QAA06083@mailtod-122.bryant.webtv.net> From: leelouden@webtv.net (Lee Louden) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 16:13:35 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: megalith transport, pyramid building Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"WR2rC1.0.UZ3.M2eLq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1711 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I totally agree Patrick! Engineers and some people who call themselves scientists are always trying to explain things they have no understanding of in terms that they are familiar with. It just doesn't work! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 28 16:52:15 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA22726; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 16:51:29 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 16:51:29 -0800 Message-ID: <3456B29A.7A79@sunherald.infi.net> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 19:50:50 -0800 From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" Reply-To: stk@sunherald.infi.net Organization: APETT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Wonderful times are upon me... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"RoMlr2.0.eY5.EYeLq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1712 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Greetings all: Well, my new coil was nearly constructed. Too bad for me that an electrical fire caused by faulty wiring in my wall burned it, as well as a good portion of my equipment, to ash. Its gonna take some time to recover from this, so I won't have anything to post on the coil for awhile. Oh, well... Kyle Mcallister P.S.: I should have done the in-wall wiring myself... From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 28 18:11:33 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA13044; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 18:10:11 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 18:10:11 -0800 Message-ID: <34569AE0.6E901B18@microtronics.com.au> Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 12:39:36 +1030 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List Server Freenrg CC: List Server Vortex Subject: SMOT Mk4 Rollaround Details Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"V8_b1.0.FB3.2ifLq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1713 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: HI All, I have updated the SMOT Mk3 status page with more details of the rollarounds trough. Dimensions and trough contours can be studied. Thanks to Stefan for the call. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 28 20:01:43 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA11475; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 20:01:16 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 20:01:16 -0800 From: RoConroy@aol.com Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 23:00:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971028230035_-2112952834@mrin42.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Request for Data on Robert Pavlita Geometry Resent-Message-ID: <"Y-bQ73.0.6p2.AKhLq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1714 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: In a message dated 97-10-28 19:06:18 EST, Patrick Bailey,you write: << Would particularly like to speak to people (this field) with backgrounds in 1- crystal geometry 2- numeric progression (hard birds to find) >> You might check my WEB page on the geometric crystaline elements of structure that are based on two intertwined progressions. One of which is u(n+1)=u(n)+u(n-1) Bob http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/robert_conroy From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 28 21:12:49 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA28006; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 21:12:16 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 21:12:16 -0800 Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 00:12:13 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199710290512.AAA29704@freenet5.carleton.ca.carleton.ca> From: dy288@freenet.carleton.ca (Gregory Watson) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Request for Data on Robert Pavlita Geometry Reply-To: dy288@freenet.carleton.ca Resent-Message-ID: <"5UEaV.0.Tr6.kMiLq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1715 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Michael Donovan wrote: > >ps geometry also explains the physics basis of music (tones) heretofore >thought only psycological. > That sounds very interesting - where can one read about this, specifically the physics basis of tones? -- * Gregory Watson * * dy288@freenet.carleton.ca * www.ncf.carleton.ca/~dy288/ * From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 28 21:13:57 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA28252; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 21:13:27 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 21:13:27 -0800 Message-ID: <3456EB66.3A4@keelynet.com> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 23:53:10 -0800 From: Jerry Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Request for Data on Robert Pavlita Geometry References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"T6fkc.0.7v6.pNiLq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1716 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Patrick! I looked up some what I had on Pavlita and came up with two files, they are now listed at; http://www.keelynet.com/biology.htm -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://www.keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / KeelyNet BBS (214) 324-3501 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite, Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 28 21:41:35 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA15596; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 21:41:06 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 21:41:06 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3456F1DC.B24@keelynet.com> Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 00:20:44 -0800 From: Jerry Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Fwd: Applied Quantum Physics] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------344D4FE3316A" Resent-Message-ID: <"h0iMy.0.Zp3.kniLq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1717 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------344D4FE3316A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gnorts! Here is one of a couple of emails I received from Dr. de Vrees, you should give him a shout with questions, maybe we can piece together how his motor works?? --------------344D4FE3316A Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from mrin47.mail.aol.com (mrin47.mx.aol.com [198.81.19.157]) by centurion.flash.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA09181 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 21:59:05 -0600 (CST) From: Dactylon1@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin47.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id WAA22852 for jdecker@keelynet.com; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 22:58:30 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 22:58:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971028225830_-896356306@mrin47> To: jdecker@keelynet.com Subject: Applied Quantum Physics X-UIDL: c4886e0de399d74aa0420ee59697c2b2 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 Mr. Decker This communication went to my friend Paul Harrison in the UK (Scientific Pantheism) Subj: The Time is Now (Applied Quantum Physics) Date: 97-10-28 22:48:27 EST From: Dactylon 1 To: harrison@dircon.co.uk Paul, This Thursday I am meeting with a Dutch Billionaire (I told you about, many months ago). If this goes well (I think it will) then within 4 month the world will see Free Energy, and another 9 months to have cars running on free energy. Gosh, what a tense situation, I lost my home and credit over this issue in Houston. Hopefully now all will be changed. A New Era Awakens The value of the discovery is now estimated at $7 Trillion per year. Time = Negative Space.. Our Fractal Mobius Theory is seen at work at the collision of the two galaxies depicted by the Hubble telescope a few days ago. Millions of stars are formed by the dual spirals... (13 dimensions). My God, what have we achieved, Nature's Creation replicated by differential electric-magnetic vortices.... Dactyl Energy ! Regards, and we will stay in-touch... for sure Albert de Vree, Ph.D.E.E. I am now living in San Jose, California. --------------344D4FE3316A-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 28 22:00:32 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA07900; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 21:59:49 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 21:59:49 -0800 Message-ID: <3456D0C3.94D50433@microtronics.com.au> Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 16:29:31 +1030 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List Server Freenrg CC: List Server Vortex Subject: SMOT Infinite Energy Article up Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"HO3Qk1.0.8x1.H3jLq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1718 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi All, The late Christ Tinsley's SMOT report for Infinite Energy is now up. It at : http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson/smot-ie-tinsley.html or you can get there from the SMOT page. Thanks to Michael Randall and Dr. Eugene Mallove. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 28 22:09:00 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA10385; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 22:08:43 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 22:08:43 -0800 From: PROTIEUS@aol.com Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 01:08:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971029010606_2035931179@emout11.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: megalith transport, pyramid building Resent-Message-ID: <"sT0-u1.0.9Y2.gBjLq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1719 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: well if you think about it if you had several thousand people working on one project at a time amazing things are possible.....right Scotty From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 28 22:09:24 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA10542; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 22:09:13 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 22:09:13 -0800 From: dansway@pacbell.net Message-ID: <345663B7.1327@pacbell.net> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 22:14:15 +0000 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-PBME (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Fwd: Applied Quantum Physics] References: <3456F1DC.B24@keelynet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"5YdA83.0.La2.7CjLq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1720 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Jerry wrote: > > Gnorts! > > Here is one of a couple of emails I received from Dr. de Vrees, you > should give him a shout with questions, maybe we can piece together how > his motor works?? > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Applied Quantum Physics > Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 22:58:30 -0500 (EST) > From: Dactylon1@aol.com > To: jdecker@keelynet.com > > Mr. Decker > This communication went to my friend Paul Harrison in the UK > (Scientific Pantheism) > > Subj: The Time is Now (Applied Quantum Physics) > Date: 97-10-28 22:48:27 EST > From: Dactylon 1 > To: harrison@dircon.co.uk > > Paul, > > This Thursday I am meeting with a Dutch Billionaire (I told you about, many > months ago). If this goes well (I think it will) then within 4 month the > world will see Free Energy, and another 9 months to have cars running on free > energy. > > Gosh, what a tense situation, I lost my home and credit over this issue in > Houston. Hopefully now all will be changed. > > A New Era Awakens > > The value of the discovery is now estimated at $7 Trillion per year. > > Time = Negative Space.. Our Fractal Mobius Theory is seen at work at the > collision of the two galaxies depicted by the Hubble telescope a few days > ago. > Millions of stars are formed by the dual spirals... (13 dimensions). > > My God, what have we achieved, Nature's Creation replicated by differential > electric-magnetic vortices.... Dactyl Energy ! > > Regards, and we will stay in-touch... for sure > > Albert de Vree, Ph.D.E.E. > I am now living in San Jose, California. This is David Hamel...right down the line!!! It is great to see another correlation validating the Ancient Alien Physics taught to David Hamel by the Gods of old. Dan From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 28 22:20:19 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA12716; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 22:20:01 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 22:20:01 -0800 Message-ID: <3456FB04.64C1@keelynet.com> Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 00:59:48 -0800 From: Jerry Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: megalith transport, pyramid building References: <971029010606_2035931179@emout11.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Mkvpx3.0.b63.FMjLq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1721 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Gnorts! Tonite on the news, they showed a disaster in Taiwan where several hundred people (on each side) were engaged in a massive tug of war....some of the people had looped the rope around the arm they were pulling with... When the winning team made the final tug and the opposite team lost, two of the men had that arm RIPPED FROM ITS SOCKET and others suffered less traumatic physical damages.....I have a hard time believing what the announcer said about the estimated tonnage that was stated to have been produced from the combined pulling effort....manhandling stones takes on entirely new possibilities with such combined energy, though they still did it with sound..... -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://www.keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / KeelyNet BBS (214) 324-3501 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite, Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 28 22:31:02 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA15350; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 22:30:25 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 22:30:25 -0800 X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199710290013.QAA06083@mailtod-122.bryant.webtv.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 19:50:04 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: megalith transport, pyramid building Resent-Message-ID: <"px5U-3.0.Ol3.xVjLq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1722 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Patrick Baily wrote: > The manner in which the Great Pyramid stones > were cut, transported, and put together is IMHO > beyond our present science or your imagination. > > Read the facts and think about them. Lee Louden wrote: > I totally agree Patrick! Engineers and some people > who call themselves scientists are always trying > to explain things they have no understanding of in > terms that they are familiar with. It just doesn't > work! Oh yes it does, Lee. Often and well, too. And perhaps you underestimate people's capability for understanding sometimes? I think this is all a little harsh with respect to posting brainstorming ideas on megalith transport. It's one of my favorite subjects. I have indeed read the facts Patrick, and I have thought about them for many years. There are pictures of how this was done in Egypt. Sled, mud, rope, and bunch of guys to pull on the rope (and presumably a very important component not specifically shown in the illustration - beer!). There is evidence in the quarries of the means used there too, and they are the typical bronze age methods which are well known. Drills, wet wood wedges, and saws. It's perfectly valid to propose ideas both conventional and unconventional to try to explain these feats of the ancient world. If only the unconventional ones hold out in the end, then fine. But until evidence shows up *proving* how they did it, *all* is just speculation - even if you find that you *can* temporarily turn heavy rocks into styrofoam by singing to them. Understand? My point is that a conventional method might have done the trick, and the builders were in an environment where all of the suggested components were in active use. I don't feel that the great Pyramid stands out as being obviously beyond conventional bronze age methods, or at least potential methods. But I do think that the brute muscle-power-alone method hasn't got a chance. Those numbers simply don't add up. They almost do, but they don't as far as I'm concerned. Quarring and delivering 2.3 million blocks over fairly level ground in around 20 years isn't too much of a problem, given enough slave labor. Raising the blocks is, and that's what I tried to address with the wind power idea. People usually stumble here around winches and/or impractically huge earthen ramps - or antigravity. How familiar are you guys with the subject? Have you ever felt how easy it is to move large boulders sitting on a layer of soft wet clay? Boulders the size of cars will move if you lean up against them, as I have found out from personal experience. Did you know that rocks move all by themselves out on certain dry lake beds in the American desert when there's sudden heavy rainfalls? The wind blows them around. They leave tracks in the mud. Have you ever sailed a boat, even a fairly small one, in a strong wind? Windsurfed even? Then you know the abundant power of the wind, and what low levels of tech is required to harness it. These are things that I'm familiar with, so yes, I try to explain things in those terms. I thought it could be significant here because the ancients were also familiar with this tech and certainly did use it for similar purposes. Perhaps they were much more familiar with it than the typical modern urban western scientist or engineer - a person like yourselves, perhaps? - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 28 22:31:38 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA20113; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 22:31:18 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 22:31:18 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <345663B7.1327@pacbell.net> References: <3456F1DC.B24@keelynet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 20:27:45 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: [Fwd: Applied Quantum Physics] Resent-Message-ID: <"JUio2.0.6w4.nWjLq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1723 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dan - > It is great to see another correlation validating the > Ancient Alien Physics taught to David Hamel by the > Gods of old. I wish somebody would teach it to me. What is a magnetic vortex anyway? Rotating magnetic fields? - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 29 00:33:33 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA28957; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 00:32:59 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 00:32:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3456F47A.7EEBA9FE@bway.net> Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 03:31:54 -0500 From: Khem Caigan X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rick Monteverde , "freenrg-l@eskimo.com" Subject: Re:megalith transport, pyramid construction Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"CVsDn2.0.I47.uIlLq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1724 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Reading with interest the posts on pyramid construction.Recently read a book in which a gentleman proposed the idea that at least *some* of the stones were poured in place, & he offers his analyses of the formulae for the *concrete* he supposes to have been used. I passed the book on, if it's of any interest I'll post again when & if it returns. -Khem From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 29 01:20:45 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA01276; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 01:20:29 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 01:20:29 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 02:19:50 -0700 (MST) From: Steve Ekwall X-Sender: ekwall2@november To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Hold Your Hand Up In-Reply-To: <3454535F.85808F3@microtronics.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"GEbGC1.0.mJ.N_lLq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1725 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 27 Oct 1997, Greg Watson wrote: -snip- >>Let's get something VERY clear here and NOW. -snip- >>I am not normally a angry man, pride myself on self tolerance and >>trying to see the world through others eyes, but you are calling a lot >>of good, honest people who have ACTUALLY built SMOT devices, liars. >>Including me. >> >>If you were in Australia, I would now be talking to my lawyer. >> >>I don't run this list, Richard, but its you who is flying close to the >>wind. >> >>Had a bad hair day, did we? >> >>Or do you have a hidden agenda? >> >>Don't like all my research being made so public, do we? >> >>Who do you work for? >> >>Have a good day ............ GET A LIFE. >> >>-- >>Best Regards, >> Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson >> >> Whoa, Cool your over your Flu!! '&' .. I L I K E I T !!! GO GET 'EM WATSON :) -=se=- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 29 04:58:02 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA09451; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 04:57:42 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 04:57:42 -0800 Message-Id: <34574038.70A@tu-bs.de> Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 14:55:04 +0100 From: Tameer Hohnsbein Reply-To: T.Hohnsbein@tu-bs.de Organization: Technische Universität Braunschweig X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold [de] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: PMOD Ferrite Rods References: <34567ABE.AFB5F62C@microtronics.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"-JKyD.0.aJ2.5BpLq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1726 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Greg Watson wrote: > > HI All, > > I have today secured 12 of the 9 x 10mm ferrite rods I am using in my > PMOD development. > > If you wish to duplicate the PMOD results and REPORT your results > here, I will send you rod. No Cost. That way, we all are using the > same material and there is no MAGIC. > > Just send me your snail mail address. > > First come, first served. > > -- > Best Regards, > Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson Hi Greg, I have duplicated your PMOD design (circuit2) as far as I could, I took the BUZ20 instead of the IRF510 and 74Fxx instead of 74ACxx. I can see nearly the same current pictures as shown on your site. At the moment I have two problems: 1) I can't get the FET on for times shorter than about 70 ns. I guess it's my noisy bredboard and the FET. Will build it again the next days. 2) My scope at home is an old 20Mhz Hameg. I can only test the device at my working place with a 100Mhz TEK for about one hour per day. So I am not very fast with testing at the moment. I appreciate your offer to send the rod over the world. The results will more be reproduceable I think. Since I am slow with testing and I think my ferrite is quite good I don't want to be the first to get one of your ferrite rods. If you have one spare in some days I would be happy to receive one though :-) For further investigations: can you figure out what sort of Material your rod is made of ? Where did you get it from ? Is the source where you got it still available since you wrote : > "I have today secured 12 of the 9 x 10mm ferrite rods" or are yours the last samples ? I really love the way you are sharing your work with us all. I have learned much more during the last months from your postings than during the last years testing in the dark. Thank you very much Tameer -- Tameer Hohnsbein, Hagenring 80, 38106 Braunschweig, Germany E-Mail: T.Hohnsbein@tu-bs.de phone : ++49 531 / 335348 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 29 07:23:29 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA06198; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 07:23:04 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 07:23:04 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199710291521.NAA11254@bigbox.plug-in.com.br> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Marcelo Puhl" To: Greg Watson Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 13:22:58 -3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: PMOD suggestion Reply-to: mark@plug-in.com.br CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Priority: normal In-reply-to: <343F3D3F.4F4E8253@microtronics.com.au> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Resent-Message-ID: <"pWd_Q.0.lW1.MJrLq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1727 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Greg, Have you measured the FCRT of a magnetized ferrite rod ? Just curious. Marcelo From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 29 07:26:57 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA07005; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 07:26:46 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 07:26:46 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 09:26:10 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199710291526.JAA29133@dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com> From: rwall@ix.netcom.com (Richard Wayne Wall) Subject: Re: Hold Your Hand Up To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Resent-Message-ID: <"tSLrM3.0.Lj1.pMrLq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1728 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: SE wrote: snip > >> >Whoa, Cool your over your Flu!! '&' .. I L I K E I T !!! > >GO GET 'EM WATSON :) > >-=se=- No doubt, another case of the "Monday Morning Flu". Kinda' hard to Get 'em when your firing blanks. :) RWW From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 29 09:03:04 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA24525; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 09:02:16 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 09:02:16 -0800 Message-Id: <199710291702.JAA21332@mailtod-121.bryant.webtv.net> From: leelouden@webtv.net (Lee Louden) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 09:02:03 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: megalith transport, pyramid building Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"iR8b11.0.5_5.MmsLq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1729 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Rick, I think we are talking about two different eras here. The structures that were actually built by Egyptians can and will be figured out by modern man. However the structures built by the Egyptians were poor and primitive copies of the much greater works that were already there, long before "Egyptians" arrived on the scene. According to Historian Sitchin, it is most probable that the original pyramids and temples were built by the Annunauki. A race of very advanced beings who were mining this planet over 450,000 years ago. That is what I was referring to. I think it is unlikely we will figure out why and how they did what they since they evolved in a different world and when they left they took their technology with them. (See the Earth Chronicles Series by Zecheria Sitchin) Peace, Lee From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 29 09:32:29 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA03112; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 09:31:28 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 09:31:28 -0800 X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3456FB04.64C1@keelynet.com> References: <971029010606_2035931179@emout11.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 07:28:05 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: megalith transport, pyramid building Resent-Message-ID: <"K7NPS.0.Bm.jBtLq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1730 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Jerry - > When the winning team made the final tug and the > opposite team lost, two of the men had that arm > RIPPED FROM ITS SOCKET and others suffered less > traumatic physical damages... Ouch. that must have hurt. A kid on Kauai lost his lower leg to a tiger shark yesterday while bodyboarding. What we do for sport, huh? - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 29 10:07:27 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA02279; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 10:06:57 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 10:06:57 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199710291702.JAA21332@mailtod-121.bryant.webtv.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 08:03:33 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: megalith transport, pyramid building Resent-Message-ID: <"RIlAd1.0.TZ.witLq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1731 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Lee - > According to Historian Sitchin [...] Sitchin is not a historian. He is an educated storyteller who speculates heavily on historical issues. I find his works interesting too, and I bet he's got significant bits right. But there is no evidence that the great pyramid is more than 11,000 or so years old, and there's a pretty good chance it was indeed built around the conventionally accepted date, perhaps even by conventional means. Someone said something about underestimating the skills and abilities of the ancient peoples. Aren't we underestimating them in a way when we say they *couldn't* have built these monuments themselves without extraordinary help or special powers? Again, the bottom line to these discussions is: we don't really know when, how, who, or for exactly what purpose the great pyramid was built. So that keeps the door wide open to all sorts of speculation: the 'how' from from antigravity to sails, the 'who' from Annunaki to Egyptian kings, the 'why' from power stations to soul launchers. It's fun. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 29 11:21:07 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA23874; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 11:20:08 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 11:20:08 -0800 Message-Id: <199710291920.LAA19669@mailtod-122.bryant.webtv.net> From: leelouden@webtv.net (Lee Louden) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 11:20:01 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: megalith transport, pyramid building Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"XXePd2.0.sq5.dnuLq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1732 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Rick, I agree, it is fun to speculate on all these fascinating ancient structures. But I have met Sitchin in person, I have heard his lecture, I have read all of his books and I think he is onto a very important part of our history. All of his works are based on the writings of the Surmarians who are also recent compared to the Annunaki that they wrote about. If you don't believe Sitchin, how about researchers like Graham Hancock, Robert Bauval, they say there is much evidence that the great pyramids are much older than the Egyptian civilation; so does Greg Braden who has a background in geology. Every book I have ever read on the pyramids states that all the later pyramids were inferior to the original three. Did you read Chris Dunn's post here a few days ago? Chris was there with Hancock and Bauval and did some interesting tests of his own which bring up even more interesting questions about the "why" of the precision of cutting or machining inside of stone boxes inside of the pyramids. All this is to say that there are far more questions than answers at this point in time. That brings me back to my original statement. I did not say that we will never figure out how and why it was done. What I said was we won't figure it out by basing our thinking on what we already know. We need to approach these things with a totally open mind and temporarely suspend our ideas about what we think we know about reality. Sincerely, Lee From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 29 11:48:12 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA14971; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 11:46:23 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 11:46:23 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Frank C. Earl" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 13:05:06 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: SMOT Mk4 Rollaround Details Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.42a) Resent-Message-ID: <"7wM4I.0.mf3.BAvLq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1734 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Greg, have you considered injection molding? There should be some way to injection mold polycarbonate or polysulfone (How about Teflon or something similar?) in such a manner that it wouldn't need to be milled or polished. -- Frank C. Earl Earl Consulting Services ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Pursuant to USC 47, there is a $500 per incident charge for each and every piece of Unsolicited Commercial Email (UCE) sent to this or any of my other addresses. Sending UCE's to any of my addresses implys general acceptance of these terms. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 29 11:48:23 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA30337; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 11:46:22 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 11:46:22 -0800 Message-Id: Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Frank C. Earl" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 13:05:06 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: PMOD Ferrite Rods Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.42a) Resent-Message-ID: <"zsUKr3.0.uP7.BAvLq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1733 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > I have today secured 12 of the 9 x 10mm ferrite rods I am using in my > PMOD development. Cool. > If you wish to duplicate the PMOD results and REPORT your results > here, I will send you rod. No Cost. That way, we all are using the > same material and there is no MAGIC. > > Just send me your snail mail address. > > First come, first served. This is awesome. Shame I can't see myself being able to commit to doing this in time to justify taking you up on this offer. Could you possibly put up some permeability, etc. information about the ferrites up on the RMOG/PMOD pages- we also need to see if it's an effect with just the ferrites you're buying or if it's exactly as you're describing and applicable to all ferrites (To which, I think I can happily say I'd like to work towards...). Again, I'd like to say how much I appreciate what you're offering us all on this list. -- Frank C. Earl Earl Consulting Services ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Pursuant to USC 47, there is a $500 per incident charge for each and every piece of Unsolicited Commercial Email (UCE) sent to this or any of my other addresses. Sending UCE's to any of my addresses implys general acceptance of these terms. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 29 13:42:34 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA27065; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 13:41:58 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 13:41:58 -0800 (PST) Old-X-Envelope-To: Message-ID: <3457AD56.CFDED3F5@ctv.es> Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 22:40:39 +0100 From: Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga Reply-To: vramos@ctv.es X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: PAGE UPDATED - NEW PROJECT X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"C7YJh.0.jc6.ZswLq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1735 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi all, My page is already updated with the basis of my new project. Vicente. -- Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga E-mail: vramos@ctv.es Home Page: http://www.ctv.es/USERS/vramos/home.htm Burriana (Castellon) SPAIN From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 29 13:48:54 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA23625; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 13:47:15 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 13:47:15 -0800 Old-X-Envelope-To: Message-ID: <3457AE90.49248500@ctv.es> Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 22:45:52 +0100 From: Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga Reply-To: vramos@ctv.es X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: SMOT Mk4 Rollaround Details X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"OWsBw2.0.2n5.XxwLq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1736 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Frank C. Earl wrote: > Greg, have you considered injection molding? There should be some > way to injection mold polycarbonate or polysulfone (How about Teflon > or something similar?) in such a manner that it wouldn't need to be > milled or polished. > > -- > Frank C. Earl > Earl Consulting Services > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Pursuant to USC 47, there is a $500 per incident charge for each > and every piece of Unsolicited Commercial Email (UCE) sent to this or > any of my other addresses. Sending UCE's to any of my addresses > implys general acceptance of these terms. Hi Frank, Greg and all Then, wich is the efficiency of the SMOT, 100,00000000000000001 % ????? I all cases, a real rollaround is always positive. Vicente. -- Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga E-mail: vramos@ctv.es Home Page: http://www.ctv.es/USERS/vramos/home.htm Burriana (Castellon) SPAIN From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 29 14:14:55 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA01067; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 14:13:57 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 14:13:57 -0800 Message-ID: <3457B4C6.EBB1FB59@microtronics.com.au> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 08:42:22 +1030 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: List Server Vortex Subject: Re: PMOD Ferrite Rods References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"UyZQF2.0.OG.ZKxLq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1737 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Frank C. Earl wrote: > > > I have today secured 12 of the 9 x 10mm ferrite rods I am using in my > > PMOD development. > > Cool. > > > If you wish to duplicate the PMOD results and REPORT your results > > here, I will send you rod. No Cost. That way, we all are using the > > same material and there is no MAGIC. > > > > Just send me your snail mail address. > > > > First come, first served. > > This is awesome. Shame I can't see myself being able to commit to > doing this in time to justify taking you up on this offer. Could you > possibly put up some permeability, etc. information about the > ferrites up on the RMOG/PMOD pages- we also need to see if it's an > effect with just the ferrites you're buying or if it's exactly as > you're describing and applicable to all ferrites (To which, I think > I can happily say I'd like to work towards...). > > Again, I'd like to say how much I appreciate what you're offering us > all on this list. > -- > Frank C. Earl Hi Frank, All I have been able to find out so far is that they are AM Radio rods from Korea. The local supplier has requested FULL data for me. I have found a Siemens ferrite supplier who thinks he has a few rods. Most of the ferrites suppliers stock are for power or suppression. Not much call for rods. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 29 14:15:47 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA01732; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 14:15:35 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 14:15:35 -0800 Message-ID: <3457B524.E34A31C6@microtronics.com.au> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 08:43:56 +1030 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: List Server Vortex Subject: Re: SMOT Mk4 Rollaround Details References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"TGFk13.0.pQ.2MxLq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1738 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Frank C. Earl wrote: > > Greg, have you considered injection molding? There should be some > way to injection mold polycarbonate or polysulfone (How about Teflon > or something similar?) in such a manner that it wouldn't need to be > milled or polished. > > -- > Frank C. Earl Injection is the way to go. Just need $7000 Aus for the molds. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 29 14:26:57 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA04216; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 14:23:17 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 14:23:17 -0800 Message-ID: <3457B6F4.43FB4832@microtronics.com.au> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 08:51:40 +1030 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List Server Freenrg CC: List Server Vortex Subject: Re: PMOD Ferrite Rods References: <34567ABE.AFB5F62C@microtronics.com.au> <34574038.70A@tu-bs.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"M7MT62.0.c11.ITxLq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1739 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Tameer Hohnsbein wrote: > > Greg Watson wrote: > > Hi Greg, > > I have duplicated your PMOD design (circuit2) as far as I could, > I took the BUZ20 instead of the IRF510 and 74Fxx instead of 74ACxx. > I can see nearly the same current pictures as shown on your site. > At the moment I have two problems: Glad to hear that. Replication is the best form of verification. > 1) I can't get the FET on for times shorter than about 70 ns. The best I can currently get is 30ns. > I guess it's my noisy bredboard and the FET. Will build it again the > next days. I am doing a new design to achieve < 15ns. > 2) My scope at home is an old 20Mhz Hameg. I can only test the device Mine is only a 50Mhz unit. > at my working place with a 100Mhz TEK for about one hour per day. > So I am not very fast with testing at the moment. > > I appreciate your offer to send the rod over the world. The results > will more be reproduceable I think. > Since I am slow with testing and I think my ferrite is quite good I > don't want to be the first to get one of your ferrite rods. > If you have one spare in some days I would be happy to receive one > though :-) I can get plenty. They cost me $1.10 Aus. Just sent me your address, I will send you one. > For further investigations: can you figure out what sort of Material > your rod is made of ? Where did you get it from ? Is the source where > you got it still available since you wrote : The rods are sold by J-Car Electronics. Regular stock line. I have requested FULL data. > > "I have today secured 12 of the 9 x 10mm ferrite rods" > or are yours the last samples ? Plenty more available. Would NOT do this with a one off sample. > I really love the way you are sharing your work with us all. > I have learned much more during the last months from your postings > than during the last years testing in the dark. > > Thank you very much > > Tameer Hi Tameer, Thanks for the input and kind words. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 29 14:28:18 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA05570; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 14:27:48 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 14:27:48 -0800 Message-ID: <3457B846.B27307BF@microtronics.com.au> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 08:57:18 +1030 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List Server Freenrg CC: List Server Vortex Subject: Re: PMOD suggestion References: <199710291521.NAA11254@bigbox.plug-in.com.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"zINlc3.0.dM1.TXxLq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1740 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Marcelo Puhl wrote: > > Hi Greg, > > Have you measured the FCRT of a magnetized ferrite rod ? > > Just curious. > > Marcelo HI Marcelo, No I haven't. I will give it a try, but I don't expect much as the domains are already VERY tightly held in physical alignment. Don't believe there will be much Bloch wall movement. Will report back. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 29 15:17:52 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA23863; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 15:17:00 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 15:17:00 -0800 Message-ID: <3457C3CF.171235FD@microtronics.com.au> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 09:46:31 +1030 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List Server Freenrg CC: List Server Vortex Subject: RMOG OPen Coil Sims Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"bMCyb2.0.Iq5.bFyLq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1741 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi All, I have loaded a 20 image animated gif of the flux flow in the Rmog's stator during the passage of the flux gate. In the gif series the coil is open. I will later post another animated gif showing the difference with the coil shorted during the initial entry of the flux gate. The animation is 259Kb, but its worth the wait time to view the flux flow in the stator's core and through the flux gate. If you have Cel Assembler (Shareware), you can save the images to disc and view the individual frames. Most shareware sites have Cel Assembler. To get there, go to my home page, click on the RMOG link and select the "Open Coil" from the update list. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 29 16:27:54 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA13116; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 16:27:11 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 16:27:11 -0800 Message-ID: <3457D3D1.76D1@darknet.net> Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 19:24:49 -0500 From: Steve Reply-To: darklord@darknet.net Organization: DarkNet Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: cad coil? (off topic message) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"HuSMo1.0.kC3.THzLq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1742 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi everyone.. I'm putting some articles on my web page, and I was wondering if anyone could tell me where I could find a picture of a Caduceus Coil? The one I have on the page right now is an ASCII picture, and it doesn't look too good.. If anyone has done experiments with cad coils, and have photos of them, could you send them to me? I'd really appreciate that.. :) thanks.. ttyl -Steve King From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 29 17:14:51 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA25204; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 17:14:05 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 17:14:05 -0800 X-Sender: bailey@best.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 17:12:47 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: pgb@padrak.com (Patrick Bailey) Subject: Re: megalith transport, pyramid building Resent-Message-ID: <"ydgdT3.0.e96.QzzLq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1745 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: The theory I like the best at the prewsent, is how it was built from the top down, in the air, and dropped. Passage entrances still exist. Those granite plugs were not put there as doors. >Patrick Bailey wrote: >> >> The manner in which the Great Pyramid stones were cut, transported, and >>put together is IMHO beyond our present science or your imagination. >> >> Read the facts and think about them. > >Way beyond my imagination.......the winner will have a working >demonstration and technology, not the spit and wood rollers from PBS >specials...beyond the megaliths we see, ain't no facts on this one >dude.....maybe we could ask the Roswell aliens to help out on this >too?....;) >-- > Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com > http://www.keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" > Voice : (214) 324-8741 / KeelyNet BBS (214) 324-3501 > KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite, Republic of Texas - 75187 Dr. Patrick G. Bailey President, Institute for New Energy http://www.padrak.com/ine/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 29 17:14:51 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA25149; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 17:13:48 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 17:13:48 -0800 X-Sender: bailey@best.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 17:12:32 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: pgb@padrak.com (Patrick Bailey) Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Info about new motor] Resent-Message-ID: <"Jed-z.0.X86.7zzLq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1744 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >Hi Folks! > >Here is a response and URL I received from Dr. de Vree about this new >motor; OK. So have someone go into: http://www.padrak.com/ine/db/devices.html choose any device link and type the info for this new motor into that format for the INE database, and email it to me. Thanks! Dr. Patrick G. Bailey President, Institute for New Energy http://www.padrak.com/ine/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 29 17:14:51 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA25133; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 17:13:45 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 17:13:45 -0800 X-Sender: bailey@best.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 17:12:58 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: pgb@padrak.com (Patrick Bailey) Subject: Re: megalith transport, pyramid building Resent-Message-ID: <"veX1-1.0.P86.5zzLq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1743 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Rocks and Ropes? --> Crap. Dr. Patrick G. Bailey President, Institute for New Energy http://www.padrak.com/ine/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 29 17:15:58 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA25952; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 17:15:45 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 17:15:45 -0800 X-Sender: bailey@best.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 17:13:24 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com (Freengr List) From: pgb@padrak.com (Patrick Bailey) Subject: INE Advanced Energy Website Has Been Updated Resent-Message-ID: <"djMZc1.0.CL6.--zLq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1746 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: The Institute for New Energy Web Site has been updated at: http://www.padrak.com/ine/ Most New Data Files are at: http://www.padrak.com/ine/index.shtml#INE_RECENT All the revisions are in the file: http://www.padrak.com/ine/REVISIONS.html ------------- ------------------------------------------------------------ Date Included Additions, Expansions, or Revisions ------------- ------------------------------------------------------------ Oct. 29, 1997 UPDATED: THE INE DATABASE Added: NEN TOC Vol. 5, No. 6, October 1997 Additional LENT-1 Preliminary Experimental Data Antigravity News and Space Drive Technology: A New Publication INE Research Contacts Wanted DOE Report On Rad-Wastes Infinite Energy & Transmutation Trenergy To Sell Shares Added: Journal of New Energy, Vol. 2, No. 2, Summer 1997 Added: Formal Papers High-Density Charge Clusters and Energy Conversion Results, Paper by P. Bailey and H. Fox, Oct. 1997. Possible New Applications of Low-Energy Nuclear Reactions, Paper by P. Bailey and H. Fox, Oct. 1997. Updated: Websites, Announcements and Meetings, Authors Index, Subjects Index, Products Available from the INE, Commercial Sources, Information Sources, People, Addresses and Data, Organizations, Addresses and Data, Fabulous Facts. The Formal Papers Listed under Oct. 18 below. Fixed: American Common Law Link (Expired, Moved). Moved: The DBGUIDE.html file out of the /db/ folder. Site Counter = 165,807 Oct. 18, 1997 Added: Formal Papers Survey and Critical Review of Recent Innovative Energy Conversion Technologies, Paper by P. Bailey, T. Grotz, and J. Hurtak, Oct. 1997. Review and Status of Reported Innovative Energy Conversion Technologies, Contrasted Using A Consistent R&D Ranking Scale, Paper by P. Bailey, T. Grotz, and J. Hurtak, Oct. 1997. A Review of The Patterson Power Cell, Paper by P. Bailey and H. Fox, Oct. 1997. History and Applications of HAARP Technologies: The High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program, Paper by P. Bailey and N. Worthington, Oct. 1997. Site Counter = 161,674 Oct. 12, 1997 Added: Commentary on the Death of Bruce dePalma Report of the Death of Bruce Depalma Info. About The Plasmoids And Cold Fusion Info. Web Site Integrity Research Institute Catalog Updated: Authors, Subjects, and Websites. Fabulous Facts Site Counter = 159,500 Dr. Patrick G. Bailey President, Institute for New Energy http://www.padrak.com/ine/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 29 17:38:09 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA00011; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 17:37:50 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 17:37:50 -0800 X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 15:34:28 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: SMOT Mk4 Rollaround Details Resent-Message-ID: <"mnfp53.0.x_7.iJ-Lq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1747 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Frank - > Greg, have you considered injection molding? > There should be some way to injection mold > polycarbonate or polysulfone (How about Teflon or > something similar?) in such a manner that it > wouldn't need to be milled or polished. The cost of injection mold tooling for a potentially short run object like a SMOT frame is outrageous. Makes much more sense to use low cost tooling to open mold or centrifuge cast a urethane or an epoxy for this type of thing. The way Greg keeps changing the design also points to a likely need for low cost tooling. I use a clear urethane which has properties similar to polycarbonate. Casts nicely in aluminum or silicon rubber molds. Very low viscosity. By the way, ever hear an Aussie say "Polycarb"? It's "Poll-ie" (rhymes with "Stoli") "Cob" (like corn on the... ). - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 29 18:02:50 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA14251; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 18:02:08 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 18:02:08 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 15:58:51 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: megalith transport, pyramid building Resent-Message-ID: <"FQVHi1.0.RU3.Sg-Lq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1748 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Patrick Baily wrote: >Rocks and Ropes? --> Crap Of course! Crap. Why didn't I think of that? *That's* how they made the dragways slick enough to easily move the stones. You know the old saying: "slicker than s***!" Thanks Patrick. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 29 18:23:24 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA13162; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 18:23:07 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 18:23:07 -0800 From: dansway@pacbell.net Message-ID: <34578047.78BF@pacbell.net> Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 18:28:23 +0000 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-PBME (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: megalith transport, pyramid building References: <34566BFE.C67@keelynet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"8c5Pk2.0.SD3.9--Lq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1749 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Jerry, Do you know what a Egyptian Waz Staff (staff of power) is? :) Dan LaRochelle From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 29 18:25:28 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA13586; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 18:23:57 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 18:23:57 -0800 From: dansway@pacbell.net Message-ID: <3457803D.59F@pacbell.net> Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 18:28:13 +0000 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-PBME (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: megalith transport, pyramid building References: <34566BFE.C67@keelynet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"IUfa61.0.BK3.w--Lq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1750 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Jerry, Do you know what a Egyptian Waz Staff (staff of power) is? :) Dan LaRochelle From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 29 21:40:26 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA26532; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 21:39:29 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 21:39:29 -0800 Message-ID: <34581D75.6FE6A3DF@microtronics.com.au> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 16:09:01 +1030 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com, List Server Freenrg Subject: Re: One hand References: <199710300417.WAA26686@dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"uZBuL3.0.SU6.Gs1Mq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1751 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Richard Wayne Wall wrote: > > ES wrote: > > >Hands on building, beats any vaporware -eh :> > >?Now, 'WHY' is it leaving the end of the track? > >My FIRST attempt was *SO* Impressive I revisualize it when I close my > >eyes at night (Every @%$# NIGHT!).. and smile myself to sleep :) Zzzz > >IT IS (o/u) THERE!! > >---- > >Agreed, VERY COOL THING!! > > > >-=se=- > > > >ps: Greg is plagued too with the same nightmare (err sweet Dream :) > > ==================================================================== > > Ahh! Now it's dreamware. Excellent observation Mr. Ekwall! > > No, actually Mr. Watson's nightmare is wondering when it is all going > to hit the fan. He can't hold all the balls in the air for much > longer. > > I used "vapor" ideas to describe Mr. Watson's work, but Mr. Watson > prefers the term "vaporware" to frame his agruments. That's ok too. > > Oh! Yet another delay in shipment of the "works every time out of the > box smot" (well with just a little polishing). Uuugh!!! <=== Mr. That is the goal. Requires many hours of effort in product development to achieve consistent results. > Watson moving the goal posts and changing the rules again in the middle > of the night. Its called continual PRODUCT DEVELOPMENT. I could have shipped the SMOT kits with 4 little ramps. Thats ALL I promished when the orders were placed. I did move the goal posts. To a HIGHER level of performance. Didn't notice that, did we Richard? > And, the purchasers of the smot kits sheepishly tuck > their tails in embarrassment and remain silent, afraid of offending Mr. > Watson by demanding valid data. Truly a sad state of affairs. But, > they all know who they are and shall live with their inaction. You truly are a unhappy puppy. Or do you do this as a profession? Ever tried to build 30+ units and get the same results? Ever tried to BUILD anything? Get real Richard. ASK anyone who has built a SMOT about how unstable they are at the best of times. But I guess you are NOT interested in reality. Just pushing more of your own hidden agenda. > A very close and pathologic parallel to American politics, these smoter > & rmoger o/u wannabes. The great unwashed masses KNOW the American > politician lies and continually moves the goal posts, but with a shrug > of the shoulders they carry on without the the courage to protest or > demand accountability. What has this to do with me? More of your hidden agenda coming out? You seem to take great delight in calling the members of this list names. I don't like that. You are talking about good people. People who actually build things. People who actually do things with their lives. Call me what you want. I will give back more than I get. But YOU OWE the other folks on this list an apology. I DEMAND you apologize to the other list members for your comments. If you want to have a shot at me, COME on DOWN. But leave the rest of the list members alone. I have warned you!!!!! > The whole impass can be very easily solved and Mr. Watson will look > like a hero to the whole world. Accept Mr. Watson at his word that he > has created these o/u devices that he has posted run for extented > periods of time. He has posted his results and they are part of the > public record. Demand data and accountability, not an animation video, > but a video of the real thing he has told us he has created. Surely, a > man with Mr. Watson's ability can produce a one hour video of any of > his o/u devices that he claims operate in o/u mode. He will be world > famous beyond compare just releasing a simple video. In these days of digital video editing, it amazes me that you put such a lot of credibility in a video. I openly post my data for anyone to check out. What better way to verify results? > Failure to do so, after all the public claims by Mr. Watson, surely > places him at risk of being cast among the charlatans that give our > science such an unsavory and abysmal reputation. I see you are appointing yourself as my judge. Come clean Richard, what is your real agenda? Confusing? Cast Doubts? Or are you just a S..t stirrer. > RWW Richard. I have another idea for your right hand, but you probably already know all about that activity. Who pays you to pop up every so often? Or do you get bored with the other right hand activity. In closing Richard, I have NO intention of producing a Video. My published results are what you will get. Results that will show ALL who want to read, build & verify the way to OU. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 30 00:06:58 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA15858; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 00:06:30 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 00:06:30 -0800 Message-ID: <34586575.B0E@keelynet.com> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 02:46:13 -0800 From: Jerry Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Fwd: Re: Info about new motor] Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"u_Ww_2.0.ct3.504Mq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1752 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Return-Path: Received: from emout24.mail.aol.com (emout24.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.129]) by centurion.flash.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA13181 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 00:44:00 -0600 (CST) From: Dactylon1@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout24.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id BAA20344 for jdecker@keelynet.com; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 01:43:25 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 01:43:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971028194852_559165211@emout06.mail.aol.com> To: jdecker@keelynet.com Subject: Re: Info about new motor X-UIDL: bf9c2f7e91d2750a9a9ffbe18430d642 Status: U X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 In a message dated 97-10-28 18:28:07 EST, you write: << I am puzzled as to your link with Zenergy, do they not offer a $100,000 prize for a working o/u device? I also believe there is a 5 million dollar finders fee if the device is signed by Zenergy. I will post your URL on KeelyNet...we are all interested in a working device....your triple magnet/solenoid gear used for the background of your page is also intriguing, reminds me of Keely's molecule which uses 3 overlapping plates spinning at high velocities so that all surface area is covered...Keely said you could interrupt this motion and cause the molecule to shatter. >> Jerry, Zenergy is intending to do the funding, but thus far, they are working on obtaining funds themselves.... hence the delay. Keely's device of high spinning plates, the higher the velocity the better the quantum synchronicity coupling, and yes, thiese dynamics, when interfered with, would collapse the structure of matter. In fact, that is another side of our other devices... Negative energy. The quantum synchronicity is turned backward, matter then collapses. This however, is military technology, I cannot talk about it. The world is going to change. The recombinant pasitive/negative energy produces a shell around a space craft. This shell disconnects the space craft from the surrounding... disconnection from quantum synchronicity... UFO technology... relative displacement through space-time. We know how. Albert From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 30 02:38:19 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA25347; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 02:38:01 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 02:38:01 -0800 Message-ID: <3458550E.E234A719@pavilion.co.uk> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 10:36:14 +0100 From: Rob Dowse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: SMOT Infinite Energy Article up X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <3456D0C3.94D50433@microtronics.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"V58A81.0.yB6.8E6Mq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1753 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Rob Dowse wrote: > > Greg Watson wrote: > > > Hi All, > > > > The late Christ Tinsley's SMOT report for Infinite Energy is now up. > > It at : > > > > http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson/smot-ie-tinsley.html > > > > or you can get there from the SMOT page. > > > > Thanks to Michael Randall and Dr. Eugene Mallove. > > > > -- > > Best Regards, > > Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson > > Thanks every body . Isn't the internet brilliant! > -- > > > --==oo==-- > Rob Dowse > Greg Watson wrote: > Hi All, > > The late Christ Tinsley's SMOT report for Infinite Energy is now up. > It at : > > http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson/smot-ie-tinsley.html > > or you can get there from the SMOT page. > > Thanks to Michael Randall and Dr. Eugene Mallove. > > -- > Best Regards, > Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson Thanks every body . Isn't the internet brilliant! -- --==oo==-- Rob Dowse From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 30 04:18:30 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA02781; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 04:17:46 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 04:17:46 -0800 Message-Id: <34588852.4C3F@tu-bs.de> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 14:14:58 +0100 From: Tameer Hohnsbein Reply-To: T.Hohnsbein@tu-bs.de Organization: Technische Universität Braunschweig X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold [de] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "freenrg-l@eskimo.com" Subject: magnetic diode Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"7dYV81.0.Fh.fh7Mq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1754 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Fred and all, is anyone else trying out the magnetic diode idea of Fred Epps ? I can't see any effect so far and am wondering if I do something wrong. Best regards Tameer -- Tameer Hohnsbein, Hagenring 80, 38106 Braunschweig, Germany E-Mail: T.Hohnsbein@tu-bs.de phone : ++49 531 / 335348 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 30 04:18:49 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA21970; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 04:18:15 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 04:18:15 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3458889F.3461@tu-bs.de> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 14:16:15 +0100 From: Tameer Hohnsbein Reply-To: T.Hohnsbein@tu-bs.de Organization: Technische Universität Braunschweig X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold [de] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: enhancing PMOD (was Re: PMOD Ferrite Rods) References: <34567ABE.AFB5F62C@microtronics.com.au> <34574038.70A@tu-bs.de> <3457B6F4.43FB4832@microtronics.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"7uRuu.0.8N5.3i7Mq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1755 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Greg and all PMOD builders, Greg Watson wrote: > > Tameer Hohnsbein wrote: > > > > I have duplicated your PMOD design (circuit2) as far as I could, > > I took the BUZ20 instead of the IRF510 and 74Fxx instead of 74ACxx. I had taken the 74Fxx first because I had them handy and thought they were fast. Yes, they are fast, but have have a weaker pullup than pulldown transistor, so they can't source the current needed to put the FET on quickly (about 1A needed for short time). 74ACxx or 74ACTxx are much better, have not only looked into the data sheets but just measured it. Switch on time is now 55ns with 74AC244 instead of 70ns with 74F244. > I am doing a new design to achieve < 15ns. Hard work if you don't want to use magic What current drive capability (drain current) is needed for the FET? Since the coil shall be switched off after 15ns and the inductance of the (at that moment being an) air coil is aprox. 500nH the current won't rise more than up to 3A in that time I think, or we have to increase the applied voltage over the coil up to 100V if we want something like 10A. [ U = L * dI / dt ] That would mean we can take a FET that fits a bit better. The IRF510 has a rise time of 16ns at VGS=10V, other FETs who are designed for VDS = 30V and ID ~ 3A are faster, e.g. the IRMLS1503 from irf has a rise time of 4.4 ns, turn off delay 10ns and fall time of 2ns at VDD = 15V, ID = 2.2A, VGS=10V, RG=6 Ohm. The most standard FETs are designed for VGS=10V, so they are not really good switched on with lower VGS, but there are some that are designed for being driven by TTL output, that means VGS has to be only 4.5V . The Siliconix Si6802DQ has VDS=20V, ID=3.3A and rDS=0.048 Ohm, rise time tr=6ns at VGS=4.5V . Another way to get the current needed for driving the gate capacity is, to take a small amplifier between the 74xx and the gate. Perhaps a fast operational amplifier or comparator ? Or two small signal Fets building a totem pole? Another suggestion I got from Volker Karl in Austria: Take a hf amplifier designed for UHF at 960 MHz, there exist an example layout built with the NPN-transistor mrf6414 from Motorola. This will do, but it is really hf layout and not reproduceable as tinkered bredboard. Perhaps for mass production? > > > 2) My scope at home is an old 20Mhz Hameg. The falling of the coil current after the first ns is not really visible with that scope because it dissappears in the non existing bandwith of the scope! > > Mine is only a 50Mhz unit. > The minimum required I think. > > at my working place with a 100Mhz TEK When I take that 100MHz scope and press the bandwith = 20 MHz limit BWL button, I don't see much. I wouldn't have recognized the waveform as capable for O/U with that. > > > > I appreciate your offer to send the rod over the world. The results > > will more be reproduceable I think. > > Since I am slow with testing and I think my ferrite is quite good I > > don't want to be the first to get one of your ferrite rods. > > If you have one spare in some days I would be happy to receive one > > though :-) > > I can get plenty. They cost me $1.10 Aus. Just sent me your address, > I will send you one. Thank you for your offer again. My snail mail adress is : Tameer Hohnsbein Hagenring 80 38106 Braunschweig Germany Best regards Tameer -- Tameer Hohnsbein, Hagenring 80, 38106 Braunschweig, Germany E-Mail: T.Hohnsbein@tu-bs.de phone : ++49 531 / 335348 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 30 04:31:00 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA23889; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 04:30:40 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 04:30:40 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3458439A.A12@xtra.co.nz> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 21:21:46 +1300 From: Robbie Rowntree Reply-To: rown@xtra.co.nz X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-XTRA (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: megalith transport, pyramid building References: <34566BFE.C67@keelynet.com> <34578047.78BF@pacbell.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"UdNOB1.0.zq5.dt7Mq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1756 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: dansway@pacbell.net wrote: > > Jerry, > > Do you know what a Egyptian Waz Staff (staff of power) is? :) > > Dan LaRochelle tell us about the Waz Staff please Dan -- **RRAMM** Good Waves Robbie Rowntree Self powered*Magnetic Motor*Electic Gen*Anti gravity drive EXPERIMENTAL RESEARCH From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 30 08:42:16 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA18140; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 08:41:28 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 08:41:28 -0800 Message-Id: Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Frank C. Earl" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 10:49:30 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: One hand Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.42a) Resent-Message-ID: <"YvGV52.0.LR4.sYBMq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1757 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > That is the goal. Requires many hours of effort in product > development to achieve consistent results. Which is why I don't understand Richard's insistance at all of this. It just doesn't make sense- it's like you've ripped him off somehow or that he sees frauds and scams at every turn. > I could have shipped the SMOT kits with 4 little ramps. Thats ALL I > promished when the orders were placed. I did move the goal posts. To > a HIGHER level of performance. Didn't notice that, did we Richard? Greg, his mind is made up- don't try to confuse him with facts and details, it won't work... > > And, the purchasers of the smot kits sheepishly tuck > > their tails in embarrassment and remain silent, afraid of offending Mr. > > Watson by demanding valid data. Truly a sad state of affairs. But, > > they all know who they are and shall live with their inaction. > > You truly are a unhappy puppy. Or do you do this as a profession? I'm beginning to think he's in the pathalogical sceptic category- he's come up with all these allegations, and NO proof. He keeps screaming, "show the proof!" when it's obvious that there's manufacturing problems with the device. Rather than helping out with some suggestions (as I have- even if they're obvious, you never know when someone might have missed out on some line of thought...) he'd rather scream about this all being a fraud. > Ever tried to build 30+ units and get the same results? Ever tried to > BUILD anything? Yes, Richard, did you ever try to build anything from Greg's site? And, if you did, why isn't your result up there on his list? Why haven't you come forward on the list saying that you couldn't get the SMOT to work? Why all this bluster over this when all you have to do to resolve in your mind whether or not this all is for real or not is to manufacture a Mk I or Mk II SMOT- the parts cost isn't that high and there's enough information about tuning the thing, etc. that you should be able to confirm or deny any of this yourself easily. > Get real Richard. ASK anyone who has built a SMOT about how unstable > they are at the best of times. Better yet- why not build one yourself and find out personally, Richard. > But I guess you are NOT interested in reality. I'm beginning to think that this is the case. Or that he is- just that he's interested in burying the whole idea, whether or not it's got merit. > Just pushing more of your own hidden agenda. I'm beginning to see that he's got an agenda- but it's not at all apparent what it exactly is. The stuff he keeps spouting is not at all rational and is not at all based on (or at least what he's posted so far to the list) personal research. > > A very close and pathologic parallel to American politics, these smoter > > & rmoger o/u wannabes. The great unwashed masses KNOW the American > > politician lies and continually moves the goal posts, but with a shrug > > of the shoulders they carry on without the the courage to protest or > > demand accountability. > > What has this to do with me? I think we've got a pathalogical sceptic in this list. His posts are a really good indication of one- or of someone who's got a vested interest in seeing that you don't succeed. > You seem to take great delight in calling the members of this list > names. I don't like that. You are talking about good people. People > who actually build things. People who actually do things with their > lives. I've not built one yet- it's not been due to lack of materials, it's because I've not had the time. So, Richard, does this make me one of those people that won't call Greg accountable? I've not done it for myself so I can not make statements pro/con, save that others have done it and claim that they got it to work. What's so damn hard about doing the SMOT tests yourself? Richard, do you know what all this has resulted in doing? Making me want to work towards getting a Mk IV SMOT built somehow some way and seeing if it does, in fact, work. By the way, Richard, thanks for helping me find some motivation... > In these days of digital video editing, it amazes me that you put such > a lot of credibility in a video. > > I openly post my data for anyone to check out. What better way to > verify results? Putting forward a design and results is the **BEST** way of providing a way to prove whether or not something you claim is for real or not. Videos don't prove a damn thing- especially in this day and age... > I see you are appointing yourself as my judge. Come clean Richard, > what is your real agenda? Confusing? Cast Doubts? Or are you just a > S..t stirrer. Actually, I would say that he's a FUD monger, myself- because that's all he's spouting right now. -- Frank C. Earl Earl Consulting Services ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Pursuant to USC 47, there is a $500 per incident charge for each and every piece of Unsolicited Commercial Email (UCE) sent to this or any of my other addresses. Sending UCE's to any of my addresses implys general acceptance of these terms. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 30 11:47:03 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA25395; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 11:46:19 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 11:46:19 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199710301945.LAA17690@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: "vortex" , "Free Energy" Subject: Fw: DEBUNKING VIRUSES Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 23:16:45 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"sZGmz.0.XC6.0GEMq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1758 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Folks! Martin in S. Africa recently forwarded me a post warning me of an email virus supposedly ravaging his country. He wanted me to post it on the list, but instead I told him that these email viruses were actually mental viruses, and I didn't want to spread the disease :-) Unfortunately I have deleted the posts debunking these types of viruses. Can anyone who has this information please send it to him? Thanks! Fred ---------- > From: kami > To: @halcyon.com > Subject: Fwd: DEBUNKING VIRUSES > Date: Thursday, October 30, 1997 11:37 AM > > Date: Thu, 30 Oct 97 11:35:20 PST > From: kami > To: FRED > Subject: DEBUNKING VIRUSES > > HI FRED > Thanks for the e mail , very interesting that the virus story has been > debunked on your side , I would greatly appreciate any further info I > can get on this as this country is practically in hysterics regarding > these viruses right to the point of it being mentioned on T.V. Perhaps > a little official debunking would do it some good , mainly because our > postal and telephone systems are so inefficient people are scared of > the fact that e mail may go that way too. > REGARDS > MARTIN > kami@iafrica.com > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 30 13:04:51 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA02740; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 12:48:04 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 12:48:04 -0800 Old-X-Envelope-To: Message-ID: <3458F1F2.FBF63C48@ctv.es> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 21:45:39 +0100 From: Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga Reply-To: vramos@ctv.es X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: A nice place X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"sQEWb2.0.hg.1AFMq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1759 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi all, Follow this address for entertainment. Is very nice. http://members.aol.com/phikent/kent.htm Vicente. -- Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga E-mail: vramos@ctv.es Home Page: http://www.ctv.es/USERS/vramos/home.htm Burriana (Castellon) SPAIN From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 30 18:01:22 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA14541; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 18:00:44 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 18:00:44 -0800 Message-ID: <34593BAA.8AE23A75@microtronics.com.au> Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 12:30:10 +1030 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com, List Server Freenrg Subject: Re: Permanent Magnet Force Alternator References: <19971030223610.17920.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"D7FHl3.0.wY3.AlJMq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1760 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Peter Aldo wrote: > > > >Hi Peter, > > > >Have you tried the RMOG's positional dependent coil shorting method? > >If you haven't and decide to implement this, use the photo interruptor > >and the circuit I have published. Its much better than the reed relay > > I haven't tried it yet but I certainly plan to. > >idea. > > > >Have you tried the RMOG's self motoring idea. I makes experimentation > >much easier as you don't need another lossy drive motor to contend > >with. > > I plan to try this also. > Did you receive my Permanent Magnet Force Alternator Pictures? I'm going > to send you the test results also, but I might not be able to get to it > to you before next week. > > Peter Aldo HI Peter, Yes, I did get the photos. Thanks. Look forward to the rest of your data. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 30 20:12:35 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA13169; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 20:12:07 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 20:12:07 -0800 From: HLafonte Message-ID: <6cecdf1d.34595a60@aol.com> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 23:11:49 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: From (MER) LaFonte motor/generator Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part0_878271070_boundary" Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv10) Resent-Message-ID: <"B1qrl1.0.gD3.LgLMq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1761 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_878271070_boundary Content-ID: <0_878271070@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII The following design is based on the principle that, ferrite rods in parallel, with respect to flux in a magnetic circuit, behave in the same fashion as electrical resistors in parallel, behave with respect to current flow. This behavor is used to switch the flux path in part, to other rods by inserting them into the parallel path of an existing rod or rods. The addition of the rods gives an additional path or paths for the flux, and in doing so, the magnetic field around the original rod or rods, collapses to a certain degree. This collapse thru a coil around the rod or rods, induces a voltage/current. After more testing it could be that this current needs to be held to a value equal to the percentage of flux left over in the rod after the additional rods are in full alignment. In other words, if the original rod has it's flux reduced to one third of it's value after the additional rods are fully aligned, then only one third of the power from the coil should be allowed to flow in the coil circuit. After the poles are aligned it would appear that work has to be done to move them, but a spin balance system is incorporated to counter this attractive force. Anyone who is not familiar with the spin balance system can find info. on Stefan Hartman's overunity page, under updates on the Werjefelt papers (http://www.overunity.de/over.htm). Only a proof of concept test has been done, and a working prototype will be built after looking at any input from the list. Drawing butch18.gif is attached, and butch19.gif will be sent a few hours later. All power produced from the coil should be overunity. 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MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="PART.BOUNDARY.0.23110.emout04.mail.aol.com.878329606" Resent-Message-ID: <"qa4k02.0.nT3._zZMq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1764 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: --PART.BOUNDARY.0.23110.emout04.mail.aol.com.878329606 Content-ID: <0_23110_878329606@emout04.mail.aol.com.149218> Content-type: text/plain Hi all, Please take a look at the attached file and see if you think something might be possible with long narrow magnets, one set in attraction, one set in repullsion. Both sets have equal but opposite forces between each other. The attraction set on the left, has one quarter inch to move before it "locks" in place. The repulsion set on the right has one quarter inch to go before it is centered at maximun repulsion. The attraction set is moving along it's length, and has a certain amount of work available during it's LAST QUARTER INCH of travel. Question? Is this work (force x distance) enough to EQUAL THE OPPOSITE FORCE of the repullsion set that is moving along it's narrow dimension, the quarter inch needed to center the two magnets in their repulsion mode? The magnets start from a static condition with the quarter inch to move. Both sets of magnets have the same dimensions. The attraction set is moving along it's length and the repulsion set is moving along it's narrow dimension. What I would like to be able to do is move the two together with a VERY small force because the two forces are equal but opposite. 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Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 13:30:24 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 13:28:30 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199710312128.NAA15943@iceland.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: From (MER) LaFonte motor/generator Resent-Message-ID: <"6Ow3r2.0.sM2.gtaMq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1765 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Butch and everyone, At 11:11 PM 10/30/97 EST, Butch wrote: >The following design is based on the principle that, ferrite rods in parallel, >with respect to flux in a magnetic circuit, behave in the same fashion as >electrical resistors in parallel, behave with respect to current flow. This >behavor is used to switch the flux path in part, to other rods by inserting >them into the parallel path of an existing rod or rods. The addition of the >rods gives an additional path or paths for the flux, and in doing so, the >magnetic field around the original rod or rods, collapses to a certain degree. >This collapse thru a coil around the rod or rods, induces a voltage/current. >After more testing it could be that this current needs to be held to a value >equal to the percentage of flux left over in the rod after the additional rods >are in full alignment. In other words, if the original rod has it's flux >reduced to one third of it's value after the additional rods are fully >aligned, then only one third of the power from the coil should be allowed to >flow in the coil circuit. After the poles are aligned it would appear that >work has to be done to move them, but a spin balance system is incorporated to >counter this attractive force. Anyone who is not familiar with the spin >balance system can find info. on Stefan Hartman's overunity page, under >updates on the Werjefelt papers (http://www.overunity.de/over.htm). Only a >proof of concept test has been done, and a working prototype will be built >after looking at any input from the list. Drawing butch18.gif is attached, and >butch19.gif will be sent a few hours later. All power produced from the coil >should be overunity. >Comments please, >Butch I have the same question as before. I see how the no load (no current) torque of the "3 rod" rotor can be balanced by the spin balance assembly, but any induced currents in the coil will cause: 1. A decrease in the attractive torque when the 3 poles are coming together. 2. A increase in the torque when the 3 poles are moving away. These cannot be cancelled only with P. Magnets, as it is input work in both cases. Using compensation coils in the spin balance assembly sounds, to me, like the classical perp. motion machine - the 3 pole coil assembly acting as a generator to run the spin balance coils as a motor to run the generator... -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 31 15:12:21 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA02600; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 15:10:40 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 15:10:40 -0800 Message-ID: <345A653D.F0B177D4@microtronics.com.au> Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 09:39:49 +1030 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List Server Freenrg CC: List Server Vortex Subject: RMOG Mk3 Design / PMOD new rod Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"t9ZNl1.0.Ne.jLcMq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1766 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi All, ================= RMOG ==================== I am working on a single disc, twin stator design which will have full magnetic balancing. It will also incorporate "Smart coil shorting". No reed relay or photo interruptor required. Will still be able to "Motor up" to speed. Easier to build than the twin disc Mk2 design. Existing Mk1 builders should be able to modify their units to work as Mk3. Will post the design soon. ======================== PMOD ========================== I have obtained a 2, 9 x 200mm Philips rods, Material 3C80. FCRT bumps are there, but VERY fast and of a lower amplitude. Material looks to have a lower permeability than the Korean "AM Radio" rods I am currently using. Further tests under way. I have reduced the fet's on time to around 22ns. Still need less. Just blew my control circuit. The 74AC74 didn't like running at 12v, 10v was ok. Helped to shave about 5ns off the fet's on time. More later. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 31 15:23:56 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA07691; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 15:23:34 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 15:23:34 -0800 From: rvanspaa@eisa.net.au (Robin van Spaandonk) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Singing rocks Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 23:22:57 GMT Organization: Improving Message-ID: <345b7c25.36148302@mail.eisa.net.au> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"LLY6c1.0.-t1.qXcMq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1767 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Thu, 23 Oct 1997 23:54:04 -0600 (MDT), Steve Ekwall wrote: [snip] >Frank, I have heard of something similiar about guy here in Boulder CO, >stating that the pyramids were "poured" then made hard by the egyptian >high priest... This at first hearing made me think of sand castle >construction, BUT in the Desert? (yea right).. Appears now that many [snip] I seem to remember reading somewhere that granite will dissolve in oxalic acid (from apple pips). Anyone know if this is true? Regards, Robin van Spaandonk -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Check out: http://www.eisa.net.au/~rvanspaa for how CF depends on temperature. "....,then he should stop, and he will catch up..." PS - no SPAM thanks! -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 31 16:00:01 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA03972; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 15:56:16 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 15:56:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <345A54EF.1304@keelynet.com> Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 14:00:15 -0800 From: Jerry Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Fwd: Re: Info about new motor] Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"gOQCe.0.pz.K0dMq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1768 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Return-Path: Received: from mb05.mail.aol.com (mb05.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.54]) by centurion.flash.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA04115 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 11:50:31 -0600 (CST) From: Dactylon1@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by mb05.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/AOL-2.0.0) id KAA01290 for jdecker@keelynet.com; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 10:54:27 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 10:54:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971031102825_444393309@mrin46.mail.aol.com> To: jdecker@keelynet.com Subject: Re: Info about new motor X-UIDL: 480da161df695922201c0e615bc55677 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Jerry, thank you for your elaborate info. Look at the Hubble pictures of the colliding galaxies. They show that millions of stars are born in the differential gravitational vortices. My motor doe that in the same manner. It is really simple, however, we waited 4 years after the experiment to get a firm grip on the theoretical background. So, now we feel free to speak about it with scientific certainty. There is always going to be opposition, and I simply ignore it, ot politely put them straight. I am arranging for funding and proliferation. Albert de Vree I invite all that can contribute to form partnerships now. The world awakens to a new reality.... Best Wishes, Albert de Vree, Ph.D.E.E. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 31 16:04:13 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA05075; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 16:03:04 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 16:03:04 -0800 (PST) From: "Schi T. Wei" Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 19:02:29 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711010002.TAA03494@null.umd.umich.edu> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: SMOT Mk4 Rollaround Details Resent-Message-ID: <"5BE_l.0.5F1.l6dMq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1769 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 31 17:37:49 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA08424; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 17:36:36 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 17:36:36 -0800 X-Sender: richarda@mailhub.icx.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <345A653D.F0B177D4@microtronics.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 20:34:32 -0400 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Richard Austin Subject: Re: RMOG Mk3 Design / PMOD new rod Resent-Message-ID: <"W0ClW1.0.W32.ZUeMq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1770 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >I have reduced the fet's on time to around 22ns. Still need less. > >Just blew my control circuit. The 74AC74 didn't like running at 12v, >10v was ok. Helped to shave about 5ns off the fet's on time. > Have you tried using the 74AC74 to turn on a transistor which then turns on the FET? Then you can use 12-18V (which really gives a snappy punch to the FET). >More later. > >-- >Best Regards, > Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson Richard Austin -- email: richarda@icx.net -- radio: KG7SU Check out the Institute for Planetary Renewal at http://user.icx.net/~richarda From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 31 19:31:25 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA01416; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 19:31:08 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 19:31:08 -0800 From: steve-nyeoka@juno.com To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Some Scalar Thoughts Message-ID: <19971031.165940.7151.2.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-4,10-11,15-16,19,21-22,32-36 Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 15:58:56 EST Resent-Message-ID: <"LyVRJ.0._L.v9gMq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1771 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi all... Been reading postings now for several months and learnt alot in that time, and even given my two-cents worth from time to time. About scalar detectors, what we need is a reliable means of detecting scalar fields. Someone mentioned using an electroscope or perhaps a fet-based electrostatic meter. That may do under some situations. However, after looking a JL Naudin's scalar transmitter, and thinking back to Bearden's scalar interferometer, we may have a basis for a scalar detector. According to Bearden's "Star Wars Now" booklet (fig 3 page 6), an energy bottle is created at the intersection of two scalar transmitters, converting this "hidden" energy back into conventional EM (kind of reverse process of what created it). It would seem to reason that you could create a small scalar field by using a mini version of Jl's design (or use a plain bifilar coil) and thus create a kind of "superhet" scalar detector. On the surface, a conventional coil would serve as a pickup to a meter or scope. A thought on FE. If we are tapping Virtual particles (ie, "soft electrons") in the TEP, then it seems that the bifilar coil in under certain conditions is creating a scalar field that is giving those virtual particles enough energy to cross the Planck's constant threshold. Perhaps a second bifilar coil (shorted at one end) added to a TEP design could add additional energy to the flux of virtual particles in the coil and coax more out. A simple DC current may be adequate for a test, but it may be more efficient to put it in series with the battery and create the extra field for "free" [keeping in with the spirit of what we are trying to do : )....]. Just wanted to get that off my chest! Steve Heckman From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 31 20:05:33 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA16939; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 20:05:00 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 20:05:00 -0800 (PST) From: HLafonte@aol.com Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 23:04:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971031230423_1202479895@emout03.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Turn long narrow magnets 90 degrees to a second set ? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="PART.BOUNDARY.0.26324.emout03.mail.aol.com.878357062" Resent-Message-ID: <"OTOQQ1.0.V84.bfgMq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1772 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: --PART.BOUNDARY.0.26324.emout03.mail.aol.com.878357062 Content-ID: <0_26324_878357063@emout03.mail.aol.com.151351> Content-type: text/plain Hi all, Please take a look at the attached file and see if you think something might be possible with long narrow magnets, one set in attraction, one set in repullsion. Both sets have equal but opposite forces between each other. The attraction set on the left, has one quarter inch to move before it "locks" in place. The repulsion set on the right has one quarter inch to go before it is centered at maximun repulsion. The attraction set is moving along it's length, and has a certain amount of work available during it's LAST QUARTER INCH of travel. Question? Is this work (force x distance) enough to EQUAL THE OPPOSITE FORCE of the repullsion set that is moving along it's narrow dimension, the quarter inch needed to center the two magnets in their repulsion mode? The magnets start from a static condition with the quarter inch to move. Both sets of magnets have the same dimensions. The attraction set is moving along it's length and the repulsion set is moving along it's narrow dimension. What I would like to be able to do is move the two together with a VERY small force because the two forces are equal but opposite. 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Fri, 31 Oct 1997 20:07:28 -0800 Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 15:52:49 +1100 Message-Id: <199711010452.PAA24166@main.murray.net.au> X-Sender: egel@main.murray.net.au (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Geoff Egel Subject: Re: Re : Re:Making your own self charging electrets Resent-Message-ID: <"gbxaB2.0.MO2.-hgMq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1773 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 01:46 AM 10/19/97 -0400, you wrote: >on 18/10/1997 07:50:23 , you wrote : > ><< > > Check out the The article on making self charging electrets and if you have any additional info I would like to hear from you see for your self Web sites http://www2.murray.net.au/users/egel http://geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135 > Geoff From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 31 21:32:09 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA25064; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 21:31:47 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 21:31:47 -0800 Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 22:31:25 -0700 (MST) From: Steve Ekwall X-Sender: ekwall2@november To: Free Energy cc: vortex , fepps@halcyon.com, kami@iafrica.com Subject: Re: Fw: DEBUNKING VIRUSES In-Reply-To: <199710301945.LAA17690@mail1.halcyon.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"jB0-P.0.S76.0xhMq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1774 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Is this the one??....see below: On Thu, 30 Oct 1997, Fred Epps wrote: >>virus supposedly ravaging his country. He wanted me to post it on the >>list, but instead I told him that these email viruses were actually mental >>viruses, and I didn't want to spread the >>disease :-) Unfortunately I have deleted the posts debunking these types >>of viruses. Can anyone who has this information please send it to him? >>Thanks! >> >>Fred >>---------- >>> From: kami >>> To: @halcyon.com >>> Subject: Fwd: DEBUNKING VIRUSES >>> Date: Thursday, October 30, 1997 11:37 AM >>> >>> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 97 11:35:20 PST >>> From: kami >>> To: FRED >>> Subject: DEBUNKING VIRUSES >>> >>> HI FRED >>> Thanks for the e mail , very interesting that the virus story has been >>> debunked on your side , I would greatly appreciate any further info I >>> can get on this as this country is practically in hysterics regarding >>> these viruses right to the point of it being mentioned on T.V. Perhaps >>> a little official debunking would do it some good , mainly because our >>> postal and telephone systems are so inefficient people are scared of >>> the fact that e mail may go that way too. >>> REGARDS >>> MARTIN>>> kami@iafrica.com ------------------snip--------------- >From bpaddock@csonline.net Mon Aug 18 17:50:37 1997 Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 09:44:55 -0400 From: Bob Paddock To: vramos@ctv.es Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: MAIL VIRUS - READ THIS Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 06:52:07 -0700 (PDT) Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >From earlier this year: Date: Sun, 5 Jan 1997 15:34:01 -0800 (PST) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: hoax viruses Here's a warning which should innoculate freenrg-L users against the mind- viruses called "hoaxes" and "urban legends." .....................uuuu / oo \ uuuu........,............................. William Beaty voice:206-781-3320 bbs:206-789-0775 cserv:71241,3623 EE/Programmer/Science exhibit designer http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/ Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com SCIENCE HOBBYIST web page __________________________________________________________ The U.S. Department of Energy Computer Incident Advisory Capability ___ __ __ _ ___ / | /_\ / \___ __|__ / \ \___ __________________________________________________________ INFORMATION BULLETIN Internet Hoaxes: PKZ300, Irina, Good Times, Deeyenda, Ghost November 20, 1996 15:00 GMT Number H-05 ______________________________________________________________________________ PROBLEM: This bulletin addresses the following hoaxes and erroneous warnings: PKZ300 Warning, Irina, Good Times, Deeyenda, and Ghost.exe PLATFORM: All, via e-mail DAMAGE: Time lost reading and responding to the messages SOLUTION: Pass unvalidated warnings only to your computer security department or incident response team. See below on how to recognize validated and unvalidated warnings and hoaxes. ______________________________________________________________________________ VULNERABILITY New hoaxes and warnings have appeared on the Internet and old ASSESSMENT: hoaxes are still being cirulated. ______________________________________________________________________________ Introduction ============ The Internet is constantly being flooded with information about computer viruses and Trojans. However, interspersed among real virus notices are computer virus hoaxes. While these hoaxes do not infect systems, they are still time consuming and costly to handle. At CIAC, we find that we are spending much more time de-bunking hoaxes than handling real virus incidents. This advisory addresses the most recent warnings that have appeared on the Internet and are being circulated throughout world today. We will also address the history behind virus hoaxes, how to identify a hoax, and what to do if you think a message is or is not a hoax. Users are requested to please not spread unconfirmed warnings about viruses and Trojans. If you receive an unvalidated warning, don't pass it to all your friends, pass it to your computer security manager to validate first. Validated warnings from the incident response teams and antivirus vendors have valid return addresses and are usually PGP signed with the organization's key. PKZ300 Warning ============== The PKZ300 Trojan is a real Trojan program, but the initial warning about it was released over a year ago. For information pertaining to PKZ300 Trojan reference CIAC Notes issue 95-10, that was released in June of 1995. http://ciac.llnl.gov/ciac/notes/Notes10.shtml The warning itself, on the other hand, is gaining urban legend status. There has been an extremely limited number of sightings of this Trojan and those appeared over a year ago. Even though the Trojan warning is real, the repeated circulation of the warning is a nuisance. Individuals who need the current release of PKZIP should visit the PKWARE web page at http://www.pkware.com. CIAC recommends that you DO NOT recirculate the warning about this particular Trojan. Irina Virus Hoax ================ The "Irina" virus warnings are a hoax. The former head of an electronic publishing company circulated the warning to create publicity for a new interactive book by the same name. The publishing company has apologized for the publicity stunt that backfired and panicked Internet users worldwide. The original warning claimed to be from a Professor Edward Pridedaux of the College of Slavic Studies in London; there is no such person or college. However, London's School of Slavonic and East European Studies has been inundated with calls. This poorly thought-out publicity stunt was highly irresponsible. For more information pertaining to this hoax, reference the UK Daily Telegraph at http://www.telegraph.co.uk. Good Times Virus Hoax ===================== The "Good Times" virus warnings are a hoax. There is no virus by that name in existence today. These warnings have been circulating the Internet for years. The user community must become aware that it is unlikely that a virus can be constructed to behave in the manner ascribed in the "Good Times" virus warning. For more information related to this urban legend, reference CIAC Notes 95-09. http://ciac.llnl.gov/ciac/notes/Notes09.shtml Deeyenda Virus Hoax =================== The "Deeyenda" virus warnings are a hoax. CIAC has received inqueries regarding the validity of the Deeyenda virus. The warnings are very similar to those for Good Times, stating that the FCC issued a warning about it, and that it is self activating and can destroy the contents of a machine just by being downloaded. Users should note that the FCC does not and will not issue virus or Trojan warnings. It is not their job to do so. As of this date, there are no known viruses with the name Deeyenda in existence. For a virus to spread, it must be executed. Reading a mail message does not execute the mail message. Trojans and viruses have been found as executable attachments to mail messages, but they must be extracted and executed to do any harm. CIAC still affirms that reading E-mail, using typical mail agents, can not activate malicious code delivered in or with the message. Ghost.exe Warning ================= The Ghost.exe program was originally distributed as a free screen saver containing some advertising information for the author's company (Access Softek). The program opens a window that shows a Halloween background with ghosts flying around the screen. On any Friday the 13th, the program window title changes and the ghosts fly off the window and around the screen. Someone apparently got worried and sent a message indicating that this might be a Trojan. The warning grew until the it said that Ghost.exe was a Trojan that would destroy your hard drive and the developers got a lot of nasty phone calls (their names and phone numbers were in the About box of the program.) A simple phone call to the number listed in the program would have stopped this warning from being sent out. The original ghost.exe program is just cute; it does not do anything damaging. Note that this does not mean that ghost could not be infected with a virus that does do damage, so the normal antivirus procedure of scanning it before running it should be followed. History of Virus Hoaxes ======================= Since 1988, computer virus hoaxes have been circulating the Internet. In October of that year, according to Ferbrache ("A pathology of Computer Viruses" Springer, London, 1992) one of the first virus hoaxes was the 2400 baud modem virus: SUBJ: Really Nasty Virus AREA: GENERAL (1) I've just discovered probably the world's worst computer virus yet. I had just finished a late night session of BBS'ing and file treading when I exited Telix 3 and attempted to run pkxarc to unarc the software I had downloaded. Next thing I knew my hard disk was seeking all over and it was apparently writing random sectors. Thank god for strong coffee and a recent backup. Everything was back to normal, so I called the BBS again and downloaded a file. When I went to use ddir to list the directory, my hard disk was getting trashed again. I tried Procomm Plus TD and also PC Talk 3. Same results every time. Something was up so I hooked up to my test equipment and different modems (I do research and development for a local computer telecommunications company and have an in-house lab at my disposal). After another hour of corrupted hard drives I found what I think is the world's worst computer virus yet. The virus distributes itself on the modem sub- carrier present in all 2400 baud and up modems. The sub-carrier is used for ROM and register debugging purposes only, and otherwise serves no othr (sp) purpose. The virus sets a bit pattern in one of the internal modem registers, but it seemed to screw up the other registers on my USR. A modem that has been "infected" with this virus will then transmit the virus to other modems that use a subcarrier (I suppose those who use 300 and 1200 baud modems should be immune). The virus then attaches itself to all binary incoming data and infects the host computer's hard disk. The only way to get rid of this virus is to completely reset all the modem registers by hand, but I haven't found a way to vaccinate a modem against the virus, but there is the possibility of building a subcarrier filter. I am calling on a 1200 baud modem to enter this message, and have advised the sysops of the two other boards (names withheld). I don't know how this virus originated, but I'm sure it is the work of someone in the computer telecommunications field such as myself. Probably the best thing to do now is to stick to 1200 baud until we figure this thing out. Mike RoChenle This bogus virus description spawned a humorous alert by Robert Morris III : Date: 11-31-88 (24:60) Number: 32769 To: ALL Refer#: NONE From: ROBERT MORRIS III Read: (N/A) Subj: VIRUS ALERT Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE Warning: There's a new virus on the loose that's worse than anything I've seen before! It gets in through the power line, riding on the powerline 60 Hz subcarrier. It works by changing the serial port pinouts, and by reversing the direction one's disks spin. Over 300,000 systems have been hit by it here in Murphy, West Dakota alone! And that's just in the last 12 minutes. It attacks DOS, Unix, TOPS-20, Apple-II, VMS, MVS, Multics, Mac, RSX-11, ITS, TRS-80, and VHS systems. To prevent the spresd of the worm: 1) Don't use the powerline. 2) Don't use batteries either, since there are rumors that this virus has invaded most major battery plants and is infecting the positive poles of the batteries. (You might try hooking up just the negative pole.) 3) Don't upload or download files. 4) Don't store files on floppy disks or hard disks. 5) Don't read messages. Not even this one! 6) Don't use serial ports, modems, or phone lines. 7) Don't use keyboards, screens, or printers. 8) Don't use switches, CPUs, memories, microprocessors, or mainframes. 9) Don't use electric lights, electric or gas heat or airconditioning, running water, writing, fire, clothing or the wheel. I'm sure if we are all careful to follow these 9 easy steps, this virus can be eradicated, and the precious electronic flui9ds of our computers can be kept pure. ---RTM III Since that time virus hoaxes have flooded the Internet.With thousands of viruses worldwide, virus paranoia in the community has risen to an extremely high level. It is this paranoia that fuels virus hoaxes. A good example of this behavior is the "Good Times" virus hoax which started in 1994 and is still circulating the Internet today. Instead of spreading from one computer to another by itself, Good Times relies on people to pass it along. How to Identify a Hoax ====================== There are several methods to identify virus hoaxes, but first consider what makes a successful hoax on the Internet. There are two known factors that make a successful virus hoax, they are: (1) technical sounding language, and (2) credibility by association. If the warning uses the proper technical jargon, most individuals, including technologically savy individuals, tend to believe the warning is real. For example, the Good Times hoax says that "...if the program is not stopped, the computer's processor will be placed in an nth-complexity infinite binary loop which can severely damage the processor...". The first time you read this, it sounds like it might be something real. With a little research, you find that there is no such thing as an nth-complexity infinite binary loop and that processors are designed to run loops for weeks at a time without damage. When we say credibility by association we are referring to whom sent the warning. If the janitor at a large technological organization sends a warning to someone outside of that organization, people on the outside tend to believe the warning because the company should know about those things. Even though the person sending the warning may not have a clue what he is talking about, the prestigue of the company backs the warning, making it appear real. If a manager at the company sends the warning, the message is doubly backed by the company's and the manager's reputations. Individuals should also be especially alert if the warning urges you to pass it on to your friends. This should raise a red flag that the warning may be a hoax. Another flag to watch for is when the warning indicates that it is a Federal Communication Commission (FCC) warning. According to the FCC, they have not and never will disseminate warnings on viruses. It is not part of their job. CIAC recommends that you DO NOT circulate virus warnings without first checking with an authoritative source. Authoritative sources are your computer system security administrator or a computer incident advisory team. Real warnings about viruses and other network problems are issued by different response teams (CIAC, CERT, ASSIST, NASIRC, etc.) and are digitally signed by the sending team using PGP. If you download a warning from a teams web site or validate the PGP signature, you can usually be assured that the warning is real. Warnings without the name of the person sending the original notice, or warnings with names, addresses and phone numbers that do not actually exist are probably hoaxes. What to Do When You Receive a Warning ===================================== Upon receiving a warning, you should examine its PGP signature to see that it is from a real response team or antivirus organization. To do so, you will need a copy of the PGP software and the public signature of the team that sent the message. The CIAC signature is available from the CIAC web server at: http://ciac.llnl.gov If there is no PGP signature, see if the warning includes the name of the person submitting the original warning. Contact that person to see if he/she really wrote the warning and if he/she really touched the virus. If he/she is passing on a rumor or if the address of the person does not exist or if there is any questions about theauthenticity or the warning, do not circulate it to others. Instead, send the warning to your computer security manager or incident response team and let them validate it. When in doubt, do not send it out to the world. Your computer security managers and the incident response teams teams have experts who try to stay current on viruses and their warnings. In addition, most anti-virus companies have a web page containing information about most known viruses and hoaxes. You can also call or check the web site of the company that produces the product that is supposed to contain the virus. Checking the PKWARE site for the current releases of PKZip would stop the circulation of the warning about PKZ300 since there is no released version 3 of PKZip. Another useful web site is the "Computer Virus Myths home page" (http://www.kumite.com/myths/) which contains descriptions of several known hoaxes. In most cases, common sense would eliminate Internet hoaxes. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- CIAC, the Computer Incident Advisory Capability, is the computer security incident response team for the U.S. Department of Energy (DOE) and the emergency backup response team for the National Institutes of Health (NIH). CIAC is located at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in Livermore, California. 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LAST 10 CIAC BULLETINS ISSUED (Previous bulletins available from CIAC) G-43: Vulnerabilities in Sendmail G-44: SCO Unix Vulnerability G-45: Vulnerability in HP VUE G-46: Vulnerabilities in Transarc DCE and DFS G-47: Unix FLEXlm Vulnerabilities G-48: TCP SYN Flooding and IP Spoofing Attacks H-01: Vulnerabilities in bash H-02: SUN's TCP SYN Flooding Solutions H-03: HP-UX_suid_Vulnerabilities H-04: HP-UX Ping Vulnerability RECENT CIAC NOTES ISSUED (Previous Notes available from CIAC) Notes 07 - 3/29/95 A comprehensive review of SATAN Notes 08 - 4/4/95 A Courtney update Notes 09 - 4/24/95 More on the "Good Times" virus urban legend Notes 10 - 6/16/95 PKZ300B Trojan, Logdaemon/FreeBSD, vulnerability in S/Key, EBOLA Virus Hoax, and Caibua Virus Notes 11 - 7/31/95 Virus Update, Hats Off to Administrators, America On-Line Virus Scare, SPI 3.2.2 Released, The Die_Hard Virus Notes 12 - 9/12/95 Securely configuring Public Telnet Services, X Windows, beta release of Merlin, Microsoft Word Macro Viruses, Allegations of Inappropriate Data Collection in Win95 Notes 96-01 - 3/18/96 Java and JavaScript Vulnerabilities, FIRST Conference Announcement, Security and Web Search Engines, Microsoft Word Macro Virus Update -b Bob Antia antia@leftbank.com The Left Bank Operation, Inc. http://www.leftbank.com TCP/IP Internetworking LAN/WAN/NT/UNIX Admin ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To unsubscribe from this list, send a letter to: Majordomo@ai.mit.edu In the body of the message, write: unsubscribe dcsb Or, to subscribe, write: subscribe dcsb If you have questions, write to me at Owner-DCSB@ai.mit.edu ----------end snip--------- best to you & yours :) -=se=- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 31 22:47:17 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA06818; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 22:47:02 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 22:47:02 -0800 From: HLafonte@aol.com Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 01:46:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971031235510_1724348920@mrin47> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: To dave's Re: From (MER) LaFonte motor/generator Resent-Message-ID: <"dZDar1.0.Rg1.b1jMq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1775 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: In a message dated 97-10-31 23:09:21 EST, you write: << I have the same question as before. I see how the no load (no current) torque of the "3 rod" rotor can be balanced by the spin balance assembly, but any induced currents in the coil will cause: 1. A decrease in the attractive torque when the 3 poles are coming together. 2. A increase in the torque when the 3 poles are moving away. These cannot be cancelled only with P. Magnets, as it is input work in both cases. Using compensation coils in the spin balance assembly sounds, to me, like the classical perp. motion machine - the 3 pole coil assembly acting as a generator to run the spin balance coils as a motor to run the generator... -Dave >> Dave, The center rod is the only rod with a coil around it, and as the two other rods rotate and line up with the two fixed rods the flux is diverted in part and a current is induced into the coil by the collapsing magnetic field. I see the coil trying to maintain the flux in the center rod as not reducing the attraction on the two rotating rods as they line up with the fixed rods (that have no coils). The magnetic circuit is a closed loop and all three rods are in series in this loop and should not be effected by the aditional attraction force of the coil's induced field. Have you looked at drawing butch19.gif to see the rods at 90 degrees. I could be reading the sequence of events in the system wrong and thats why I put it on the list. You say the center rod with coil will reduce the attraction force to the two rotating rods as a load is put on it as it's flux is diverted by the two rotating rods as they line up. Even if the load is held to the same ratio of flux reduction in the center rod? Center rod has 66% reduction in flux, so power is limited to only 33% of that which the coil can produce? Look at it again and if you still see it the same way let me know, please. (note:at this point I was only looking at current flow when the field collapsed, and an open circuit when field was expanding) Thanks for your input, Butch From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 31 23:50:52 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA04420; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 23:49:52 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 23:49:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <345ADD66.28EE6A50@microtronics.com.au> Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 18:12:30 +1030 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List Server Freenrg CC: List Server Vortex Subject: LaFonte Generator Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------58DD01544ADB0854668951A0" Resent-Message-ID: <"xVWFk.0.t41.RyjMq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1776 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------58DD01544ADB0854668951A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Butch & All, I have just completed 6 hours of QField sim work on your exciting idea. My first gut reaction, was that the idea would work as it looked able of meeting the PRIME requirement of a OU flux gate generator. That PRIME requirement is "Current flowing in the output coil as a result of movement of the flux gate in the air gap, will produce a magnetic flux in the air gap which will INCREASE the force of attraction during the flux gate's approach into the air gap and REDUCE the force of drag back as the flux gate departs the air gap." Normal flux gate generators operate in reverse, that is output coil current produces a magnetic flux which REDUCES the force of attraction on the approaching flux gate and INCREASES the force of drag back as the flux gate departs the air gap. That's why the drive motor needs to supply more torque. Now, to your IDEA Butch, On the surface, the approaching ferrite rods WILL reduce the flux flowing through the rod with the coil. The coil will then produce a ADDITIVE flux flow to try to stop the reducing flux flowing through the rod. As this coil's flux (Mmf) is in phase with the magnet's flux (Mmf), total flux in the circuit will INCREASE. This SHOULD cause a INCREASE in the flux in the air gap and INCREASE the force of attraction on the approaching flux gate and produce OU. HOWEVER, I found that my gut feeling was wrong. The QField sims showed that the rod with the coil WILL produce a ADDITIVE flux (as predicted) and the ADDITIVE coil flux will provide a better flux path through the ferrite rod (it's reluctance will drop) / (NOT predicted). This decreased reluctance in the ferrite rod with the coil will ACTUALLY cause a REDUCTION in the magnetic flux in the air gap and a REDUCTION in the attractive forces on the approaching flux gate. Sorry, but not OU. I have attached a drawing which I hope will make this clear. Good idea Butch, it really looked very good for a while. PLEASE let me know if I have got something wrong. 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