From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 1 02:58:53 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id CAA24318; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 02:58:32 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 02:58:32 -0700 Message-ID: <37F4863C.24E4@cyberportal.net> Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 06:00:28 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Internet Hoax! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"AqYRx3.0.tx5.7N8zt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12375 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Here we go again, my purpose for making the post in the first place was to expose the internet Denver hoax. I guess my two cents should have been left unsaid. My main point is that life will go on as usual, before, during, and after Y2K. In the same breath all I am saying is to keep one eye open just to be safe. That's it... no more said... end of subject. Does anyone have comments on my other post of the day? http://www.escribe.com/science/freenrg/index.html?mID=5326 -Bruce A. Perreault Zack Widup wrote: > > On Thu, 30 Sep 1999, Rick Monteverde wrote: > > > Bruce - > > > > > Is this > > > the end of the world? > > > > As we know it, and I feel fine. > > > > - Rick Monteverde > > Honolulu, HI > > > > That's great! > It starts with an earthquake > Birds and snakes and aeroplanes... > > Are we in a silly mood today or what? :-) > > Zack From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 1 05:51:31 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id FAA21712; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 05:51:14 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 05:51:14 -0700 From: "Stefano Innocenti" To: "freenrg-l" Subject: Another Marinov's work... Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 14:43:46 +0200 Message-ID: <01bf0c0a$9a0b47a0$3900fd80@zio-stefo> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"b-sS-3.0.9J5.2vAzt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12376 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi list, Another work of Stefan Marinov is online at http://utenti.tripod.it/altraenergia/marinov.html : -Experimental violation of Newton's third law In addiction to: -Generation of free momentum and free energy by the help of centrifugal forces regards Stefano From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 1 14:08:09 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA10083; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 14:07:18 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 14:07:18 -0700 Message-ID: <000301bf0c51$cd9a77c0$ceda869f@vector> From: "Trev" To: Subject: Re- Howard Johnson's PermMag Motor Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 22:05:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"IT9Jz3.0.JT2.5AIzt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12377 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: All the folks who reqested the JMM artical, I will send it out on Sunday. If you want a copy request it before then, that way I only have to do it once. Please be aware that it is 1.5Mb zipped, and in JPG format. Thanks, Trev. > > Hi folks, > > I have a copy of the article and some other info on the JMM, If anyone wants a > > copy I'll send it to them zipped. Trev. > > > > Please send it to me. Thanks. > > > > Marcelo Puhl > mark@plug-in.com.br > ------------------------------------------- > Get paid to surf the WEB ! > Ganhe dinheiro enquanto surfa na Internet ! > http://alladvantage.com/go.asp?refid=DTJ608 > ------------------------------------------- > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 1 15:26:28 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA13488; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 15:26:05 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 15:26:05 -0700 X-Fidalgo-Track-MAIL-A: pm3-3-dyn12.skagit.fidalgo.net [209.191.182.75] X-Fidalgo-Track-MAIL-B: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 15:26:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <006501bf0c5b$3224e820$324a66d1@w7o9k8> From: "Fred Epps" To: "Free Energy" Subject: Re: Varactor circuits, was Barium Titanate to Solar Energy Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 15:20:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"gWcS-1.0.bI3.zJJzt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12378 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi Dave and Stuart, I have had the flu so I am a bit behind on things. I have combined your two letters together to create more continuity. Dave said: > >I was using 2 1N5468B varactors in parallel. They are rated at 22pF at -4 >volts bias. I think I sent you some oscilloscope waveform photo's back >then, Fred (Sept. 1997). I'm trying to find them. I probably didn't understand them at the time, I was not very knowledgeable about electronics then, as I discover now :-/ >> >>You mean because of the signal itself modulating the C? > >The circuit node between the drive capacitor and the varactors has no >defined bias voltage. So the signal voltage at the varactors is >???(min/max). (maybe clamped by their being foward biased during part of >the cycle.) Ok I think I follow. I wish I had your tests here so I could see how you got around that. >> > >Yes, so why only "f" output in the first two? Feedthrough only, no >"nonlinear" output here? I can only guess that the large C variation makes it so nonlinear that F output can occur, normally it is not easy to get. Jean-louis sometimes works magic that only he can explain :-) >> > >Yes, it isn't simple math, especially for the f/2 output! But that doesn't >stop any tests. Not at all. >>2) What was the POWER input of your negative bias based on your tests? > >Very small, that of a reverse biased silicon diode. I could not measure the >current through a 100k bias resistor. And that is why it is an interesting area to look into. > >>3) A square wave is more effective at driving parametrics than sine, this >>may be why it was hard to get the 2F going. > >Yes. some power varactor circuits have 3F output with sine wave input, >using a 2F "idler" tank circuit. huh, I would like to see the refs on that, haven't heard of that. In microwaves I assume? > >I am wondering if I should try again with some different setup? Can't say much about that unitl I find your other one. | No, Stuart Rae was going to do it with the varactor I picked out as best, a | BB212 with > 20:1 capacitance ratio, but I don't recall him every giving any | results. Did you ever do that test, Stuart? Stuart said: | Yes I remember I did try that. But for some reason, I never did get the input switching circuit operating correctly, and I "temporarily" abandoned it. The fault was not in the idea, but in my inept oscillator design. However, the BB212 board still lies in the bottom of a draw somewhere. I guess they don't make the BB212 anymore, there are some other ones but the C ratio is not as high. But I still think the concept is a "goer" though, and being parametric I can't see why it wouldn't work. It certainly works as a parametric oscillator, whether it could be OU or not is another question . I certainly think it is interesting that with the minimal power input of a reversed bias diode you are able to create considerable power in a tank. Granted it is partly reactive but still... I've an old patent around here somewhere that uses a simple motor driven capacitor in a resonant circuit to accomplish precisely the same thing, and I can't fault the theory in that. Yes, the Ferdinand Cap "Parametric Electric Machine" http://www.patents.ibm.com/details?pn=US04622510__ So why not use a varactor that isn't loaded by the output, when it changes capacitance at the appropriate frequency? The energy "in" requirement is constant, and completely separate from the oscillation energy of the tank. On the other hand, I'm inclined to think simplistically. That's exactly my thinking. We simpletons must stick together :-) Realistically such a device is limited by the nature of varactors but it would certainly be interesting to see it fully resolved one way or the other. The very first message I wrote to a list was on this exact idea, and that was a while ago :-) Which all sound like very good reasons to have another experimental go at the idea. That is........when I've finished my experimental vegetable growing with "magnetised" water. Completed building a new glass-house. Re-built my high voltage power supply. Finished a new twin regenerative BRS antenna circuit, that I'm going to try and resonate into a local vortex. Better leave a forwarding address :-) And fully tested another unusual device I've made, which is based on the Chancey Britten patent. Hmm, that interests me, I participated in a rep of that at one point with no results to speak of, though I was sure it would get something. The near field (electrostatic) part of antenna output is very problematic. Send me details on your idea if you care to. Only if you have time considering your hyperactive schedule. How old did you say you were? 25 ? :-) Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 1 15:34:49 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA17830; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 15:34:35 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 15:34:35 -0700 From: HLafonte@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 18:34:26 EDT Subject: Thanks for time dating site To: energy21@listbot.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Resent-Message-ID: <"j8eKu.0.VM4.wRJzt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12379 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I would like to thank those who printed out hard copyies of my web page to help me time date it. Thanks again, Butch LaFonte From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 1 16:45:35 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA09067; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 16:44:51 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 16:44:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000a01bf0c66$32074d00$581262d1@larry> From: "Larry Patterson" To: Subject: JUst an idea to play with Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 18:39:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"vRYgP3.0.ZD2.nTKzt"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12380 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I know tons of ppl have played with various ideas of the perm Magnet moters...... thats why I'm not holding my breath... but at the same time they all seem to be trying to do the same thing.. using the N-N poles or S-S poles to repel each other. course in my expermentations nothing would work since the force to overcome the impact of the 2 poles is as great if not more then the repel... thus canceling each other out. What I'm wondering is couldn't you move one of the poles away during that faze, and then bring it back to simple repel the other magnet? I have a picture but no real place to post it. the simplest explanation would be along the lines of the valves in a car... the cam pushes the valve up to draw air in then down to combust it... thinking along those lines... have a type of CAM that pushes the Magnet up so the 2 poles can't repel and stops the spinning magnet, then brings the magnet down at the right time to cause the repel, and sending the spinning magnet around for another pass. Just somethign to play with... probebly already been tried. Larry From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 1 17:30:42 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA06334; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 17:30:25 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 17:30:25 -0700 X-Fidalgo-Track-MAIL-A: pm3-3-dyn12.skagit.fidalgo.net [209.191.182.75] X-Fidalgo-Track-MAIL-B: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 17:30:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <00b901bf0c6c$90c69d40$324a66d1@w7o9k8> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: JUst an idea to play with Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 16:53:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"xmhb41.0.tY1.X8Lzt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12381 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Larry, > >the simplest explanation would be along the lines of the valves in a car... >the cam pushes the valve up to draw air in then down to combust it... >thinking along those lines... have a type of CAM that pushes the Magnet up >so the 2 poles can't repel and stops the spinning magnet, then brings the >magnet down at the right time to cause the repel, and sending the spinning >magnet around for another pass. > >Just somethign to play with... probebly already been tried. Sounds a lot like this: http://www.patents.ibm.com/details?pn=US03811058__ US3811058: ROTARY-TO-RECIPROCATING DEVICE Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 1 20:11:07 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA19091; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 20:10:24 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 20:10:24 -0700 From: "Harvey Norris" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Varactor circuits, was Barium Titanate to Solar Energy Message-Id: <938833817.10221.511@excite.com> Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 20:10:17 PDT X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 207.205.185.167 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"lkpQD.0.Bg4.VUNzt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12382 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > It certainly works as a parametric oscillator, whether it could be OU or not > is another question . I certainly think it is interesting that with the > minimal power input of a reversed bias diode you are able to create > considerable power in a tank. Granted it is partly reactive but still... > > I've an old patent around here somewhere that uses a simple motor driven > capacitor in a resonant circuit to accomplish precisely the same thing, and > I can't fault the theory in that. > > Yes, the Ferdinand Cap "Parametric Electric Machine" > > http://www.patents.ibm.com/details?pn=US04622510__ > > So why not use a varactor that isn't loaded by the output, when it changes > capacitance at the appropriate frequency? The energy "in" requirement is > constant, and completely separate from the oscillation energy of the tank. > On the other hand, I'm inclined to think simplistically. > > That's exactly my thinking. We simpletons must stick together :-) > Realistically such a device is limited by the nature of varactors but it > would certainly be interesting to see it fully resolved one way or the > other. The very first message I wrote to a list was on this exact idea, > and that was a while ago :-) > > Which all sound like very good reasons to have another experimental go at > the idea. > > That is........when I've finished my experimental vegetable growing with > "magnetised" water. > Completed building a new glass-house. Sounds strangely reminiscent. > Re-built my high voltage power supply. Yeah thats a priority. > Finished a new twin regenerative BRS antenna circuit, that I'm going to try > and resonate into a local vortex. I guess I have to intervene here and give somebody a medal if they deserve it. I was just reading George Trinkaus publication entited RADIO TESLA; the secret of Tesla's radio and wireless power. He goes back to the basics of teslas conception at Colorado Springs with a primary of ONLY ONE WIND. Of course in my historic demonstration of knocking out the power grid which heretofore has not been repeated or demonstrated or advocated by myself, lately a change of opinion is in order here, in light of the fact electrical experimenters should know the real world for what is, and that stationary wave inputs into the earth to build up an electrical pressure as a standing wave to hit the origin point 12 hours later may be entirely feasible. That may sound like science fiction but it is a matter of public record in this town I live in at Streetsboro, Ohio when the police dept had to make a call responding to neighbors complaints of my knocking the power out on only my street on a perfectly calm summer day when the lightening arrestor arrestor exploded with a deafening boom 12 hours after the previous nights experimentation. This twin magnifier idea used a primary of ONLY 1 3/4 turns excited by 48 turns of secondary at ONE INCH SEPARATION of winds at 10 ft diameter coil, with the secondary grounded at the gas mains! What a GOOD ground! I guess I have earned my laurels as a mad scientist, after the police in fact had me imprisoned for other minor offences. The world needs a person to act like tesla, which in fact I have done, and in retrospect one does not wonder why experimentation becomes such a private matter. One idea leads to another so rapidly that erroneous conclusions are easily reached. It is a gullibility syndrome, which it appears to have infected the man: NIKOLA TESLA Before he knew it he was making predictions of wireless power that could not stand the tests of scientific scutiny. Now he was embarrassed before his piers and became relegated to the position of a snake oil salesman.Perhaps Teslas ideas go on. He is reviled by the serious acedemic community primarily for the sin of jumping to erroneous conclusions at a time when he shouldnt have done so. So it just happens to be that I have already done tesla ideas of terrestrial resonance, and might be reproduced experimentally on demand. I dont know if anyone wants to pay for that! Perhaps Washington is a good target? I made a little speech which anyone would do. Now to the matter at hand. I see that Fred is refering to a BRS antenna. Are you speaking of a binary resonant system? In perusal of Trinkaus work at end he mentions multiplex in which two aerial capacities are present. This is presumed inherent in World Wireless System. Presumed as instrumental in Morgen refusal of Wardencliff Work, Patent No.723,188 also indicates arc gap at midpoint of two resonant circuits, however every historical examination of patents I have seen also from Electrical Experimenter via 1920"s all circumvent an idea where in every case the obvious intention seems to have been circumvented by common sense. In fact the actual operation of the Lakhovsky Multiwave Oscillator as employed in history and later hidden was probably due to the the fact that once an experimenter had discovered the simple fact of 180 phasing he would at once attempt to hide it because this is like hitting a vein of gold to the prospector. This much sounds like a conspiracy theory, and my brother Michael Norris is sorely requesting that I get off his computer so he can track his losings and comments on the stock market so without further adieuy I will leave and comment again. Harvey D Norris, losing my access time. ________________________________________________________________ Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 1 20:53:42 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA30614; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 20:53:18 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 20:53:18 -0700 Message-ID: <001201bf0c8a$0123b240$581262d1@larry> From: "Larry Patterson" To: Subject: Re: JUst an idea to play with Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 22:55:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"-LjnM3.0.EU7.j6Ozt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12383 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: After looking over the patent you refered to, this was not a self running device. The creator used an outside power source to charge coils for the repulse effect... as referenced on the 3rd paragraph at.. http://www.patents.ibm.com/fcgi-bin/any2html?FILENAME=%2Fcache%2F58%2F10%2FU S03811058__.tif&PAGE=4&USER_HTML=%253CA%2BHREF%253D%2Forder%253Fpn%3Dus03811 058__%253EOrderPatent%253C%2FA%253E&SCALE=0.35 Hope the entire link works pretty long =) Larry -----Original Message----- From: Fred Epps To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Friday, October 01, 1999 7:30 PM Subject: Re: JUst an idea to play with >Hi Larry, > >> >>the simplest explanation would be along the lines of the valves in a car... >>the cam pushes the valve up to draw air in then down to combust it... >>thinking along those lines... have a type of CAM that pushes the Magnet up >>so the 2 poles can't repel and stops the spinning magnet, then brings the >>magnet down at the right time to cause the repel, and sending the spinning >>magnet around for another pass. >> >>Just somethign to play with... probebly already been tried. > >Sounds a lot like this: > >http://www.patents.ibm.com/details?pn=US03811058__ > >US3811058: ROTARY-TO-RECIPROCATING DEVICE > >Fred > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 1 22:35:44 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA24055; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 22:35:19 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 22:35:19 -0700 From: "Harvey Norris" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Violet Discharge Message-Id: <938842510.18467.283@excite.com> Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 22:35:10 PDT X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 207.205.185.167 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"9H_412.0.it5.McPzt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12384 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Many folks believes that a high frequency system cannot be initiated without the use of a high voltage transformer to supply the voltage necessary to make the arc gap that initiates the high frequency. Thus many cannot believe that I have accomplished this with a mere 120 volt input at 60 hz. Thus I will describe further. I use long copper busbars or long rectangular copper metal pieces placed side by side so that a small air gap can exist between the edges of these bars when placed on a polyethelene insulator. Probably less than a millimeter air gap exists on the length of 15 inches of side bar interaction. Those bars are connected to the midpoint connections of two series resonant coils 180 degrees out of phase. By using huge air inductors that can resonate at 60 hz, enough voltage can be made to secure an arcing between the bars. This shows as a VIOLET or BLUE discharge that immediately quenches and forms a different conduction point at a different point between the bars. The total picture appears as many arcs forming and leaving entirely reminiscent of Lakhovsky MWO. My questioning at this point in time is if this mysterious high frequency activitity is the basis of MWO and if bars were curved would this be basis for reproduction? Curious thoughts of verification. HDN ________________________________________________________________ Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 1 23:30:31 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id XAA02917; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 23:30:19 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 23:30:19 -0700 From: "Harvey Norris" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Lee Crock Update Message-Id: <938845810.27784.314@excite.com> Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 23:30:10 PDT X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 207.205.185.167 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"EPBEZ2.0.Uj.xPQzt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12385 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Apparently the world is not so simple, or is it? Aura Thearapy has been applied to my freinds recently, and I am astounded. I havent been down to visit the old man myself, but he has been temporarily been put out of business by a jury of his peers. He had to close down his clinic, but dont worry, he has a grant and is reopening. It appears the AMA got on his wrath for the simple fact that his free pamphlet contained the word DOCTOR. Now it has a different wording without that. His treatment simply consists of standing or sitting between 10 or 12 volts of meager potential obtained by flashlight batteries between electrodes of screens obtained by using convenient conductors. (even your conductive screen door might work) After 15 minutes of that the reverse polarity is done for another 15 minutes. This then cleanses the toxins released for the previous exposure. He says his batteries never wear down! No wonder! They can operate at open circuit for years? As paradoxical as this treatment sounds he somehow has delivered good treatment to his patients as he also adds clockwise and counterclockwise hand movements as a new age healing method in conjunction with healing. A bewildered university report concerning possible conclusions with these weak electrical fields is contained in pamphlet from Ohio university. Reporting form the twilight zone of OHIO: HDN ________________________________________________________________ Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 2 00:11:05 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id AAA07808; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 00:10:49 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 00:10:49 -0700 From: "Harvey Norris" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Parametric Conversions Message-Id: <938848248.11786.182@excite.com> Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 00:10:48 PDT X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 207.205.185.167 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"DbL3O1.0.vv1.v_Qzt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12386 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Late on the conversations of others, but did make windings around ceramic 8 magnets of 4 by 6 inch. Idea being that induction must be different on whether windings and current direction oppose or aid existing magnetic field, and use of diodes would then change in coordination to ac input so that different inductance readings would be present in reversed conduction, which will not happen in case of unmagnetised strontium ferrite. This then presents the problem of a continually changing capacitance to resonate on each half cycle to correspond with the changing inductance. If such a thing could be done comparatively small inductances could then act as larger ones.It is a good idea that has been hypothesized. HDN ________________________________________________________________ Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 2 01:24:40 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id BAA18125; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 01:24:26 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 01:24:26 -0700 Message-ID: <37F5C2EA.C79DE7AE@telusplanet.net> Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 01:31:38 -0700 From: D Adams X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Lee Crock Update References: <938845810.27784.314@excite.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"wXgrV1.0.6R4.w4Szt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12387 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I wondered what was going on with Mr. Crock, thanks for the update Harvey!!! Harvey Norris wrote: > Apparently the world is not so simple, > or is it? Aura Thearapy has been applied > to my freinds recently, and I am astounded. > I havent been down to visit the old man > myself, but he has been temporarily been put out of business by a jury of > his peers. He had to close down his clinic, but dont worry, he has a grant > and is reopening. It appears the AMA got on his wrath for the simple fact > that his free pamphlet contained the word DOCTOR. Now it has a different > wording without that. > > His treatment simply consists of standing or sitting between 10 or 12 volts > of meager potential obtained by flashlight batteries between electrodes of > screens obtained by using convenient conductors. (even your conductive > screen door might work) After 15 minutes of that the reverse polarity is > done for another 15 minutes. This then cleanses the toxins released for the > previous exposure. He says his batteries never wear down! No wonder! They > can operate at open circuit for years? As paradoxical as this treatment > sounds he somehow has delivered good treatment to his patients as he also > adds clockwise and counterclockwise hand movements as a new age healing > method in conjunction with healing. A bewildered university report > concerning possible conclusions with these weak electrical fields is > contained in pamphlet from Ohio university. > > Reporting form the twilight zone of OHIO: HDN > > ________________________________________________________________ > Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com > Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 2 05:27:28 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id FAA23271; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 05:27:11 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 05:27:11 -0700 From: bpaddock@csonline.net (Bob Paddock) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: JUst an idea to play with Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 21:12:23 -0400 Organization: is mostly via piles Reply-To: bpaddock@csonline.net Message-ID: <3vV93UQy8YHY092yn@csonline.net> References: <000a01bf0c66$32074d00$581262d1@larry> In-Reply-To: <000a01bf0c66$32074d00$581262d1@larry> Lines: 32 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.37Beta [95/NT] Resent-Message-ID: <"jYqiS.0.Rh5.VeVzt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12388 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >I know tons of ppl have played with various ideas of the perm Magnet >moters...... thats why I'm not holding my breath... but at the same time >they all seem to be trying to do the same thing.. using the N-N poles or >S-S poles to repel each other. Some place in this mess of mine I have a drawing of a magnetic motor. Picture a "Lazy-Susan", a rotating table. On the movable part rectangular magnets like you would get at Radio Shack are spaced 23 Degrees apart, around the 'table' are the same magnets spaced at 22.5 Degrees. Supposedly it will rotate, any one every try it? course in my expermentations nothing would >work since the force to overcome the impact of the 2 poles is as great if >not more then the repel... thus canceling each other out. What I'm wondering >is couldn't you move one of the poles away during that faze, and then bring >it back to simple repel the other magnet? -- For information on any of the following check out my WEB site at: http://www.biogate.com/bpaddock/ Chemical Free Air Conditioning/No CFC's, Chronic Pain Relief, Echofone, Electromedicine, Electronics, Explore!, Free Energy, Full Disclosure, KeelyNet, Matric Limited, Neurophone, Oil City PA, Philadelphia Experiment. http://www.uCOS-II.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 2 10:05:18 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA20794; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 10:04:44 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 10:04:44 -0700 From: DEADWATE@aol.com Message-ID: <31f3f69a.25279525@aol.com> Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 13:04:37 EDT Subject: Re: Howard Johnson's PermMag Motor To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 41 Resent-Message-ID: <"WRMAV3.0.p45.hiZzt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12389 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: please include me From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 2 13:27:10 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA09881; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 13:26:55 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 13:26:55 -0700 Message-ID: <37F66AAD.DD941AD2@microtec.net> Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 16:27:25 -0400 From: patrick tremblay X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: energy21 CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: 68hc11 References: <3.0.5.32.19991002091537.009214c0@main.murray.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"91s-i2.0.IQ2.Fgczt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12390 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi all, My overunity device works with an 68hc11. It's quite simple. However, it would help further the disclosure if I can find a emulation program. My development board uses an extended mode 68hc11 with 1 PPI 8825 with Buffalo loaded in the eeprom. I need a windows or dos program that will act as the hardware. that is I could load *.S19 assembler in it. I wounder if such a program exists. GEOFF EGEL wrote: > energy21 - http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135 > > At 03:41 PM 27/09/99 +1000, you wrote: > >energy21 - http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135 > > > >This is some info that I have, it is not complete. I have included some of > >my own notes. I have made a small prototype and it works as a pump ok but I > >could not seal it internally to trap the air bubbles. I also had trouble > >with the jets. Mine was only small 4 inches in Diameter however a larger > >device would make for a better machine. View the BMP files with a imaging > >suite like the one that comes with Windoze 98. If you use "Paint Brush" you > >will go mad!!! > > > >Yours Faithfully > >Michael Smith > > I looked for the bitmaps but could not find any Geoff > could you send me acopy via my emial address > > egel@main.murray.net.au > > Geoff> > > > >______________________________________________________________________ > >To unsubscribe, write to energy21-unsubscribe@listbot.com > >MSN Messenger Service lets you stay in touch instantly with > >your family & friends - Visit http://messenger.msn.com > > > > > > JOIN ENERGY 21 NEWSGROUP and MAILING LIST > > energy21-subscribe@listbot.com > > --------------------------------------------- > Solaris searching for natures energy sources. > > Our main site http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135 > > Energy 21 website now resides at > http://www.FortuneCity.com/greenfield/bp/16/index.html > > Bright Sparks website. http://www2.murray.net.au/users/egel/ > > Our new site where the unzipped contents of encyclopedia of free energy > volume one are on display. for those that have MACS or non IBM or clone > machines. > > Alternator site at http://encyclopedia.educator.webjump.com/ > > ------------------------------------------------- > > ______________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, write to energy21-unsubscribe@listbot.com > MSN Messenger Service lets you stay in touch instantly with > your family & friends - Visit http://messenger.msn.com -- webmaster : patrick tremblay http://www.simplcom.ca/index.html From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 2 14:39:07 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA13153; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 14:37:18 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 14:37:18 -0700 From: bpaddock@csonline.net (Bob Paddock) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: 68hc11 Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 17:33:44 -0400 Organization: is mostly via piles Reply-To: bpaddock@csonline.net Message-ID: <4on93UQy84/V092yn@csonline.net> References: <3.0.5.32.19991002091537.009214c0@main.murray.net.au> <37F66AAD.DD941AD2@microtec.net> In-Reply-To: <37F66AAD.DD941AD2@microtec.net> Lines: 17 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.37Beta [95/NT] Resent-Message-ID: <"TOTKk2.0.QD3.Didzt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12391 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >My overunity device works with an 68hc11. It's quite simple. However, it would >help further the disclosure if I can find a emulation program. Which flavor of the HC11? The Ax, and ED0, family have been obsoleted. Check http://www.ddj.com, http://www.simtel.com, and the FTP site of http://www.circuitcellar.com . All have had 68HC11 emulators over the years. -- For information on any of the following check out my WEB site at: http://www.biogate.com/bpaddock/ Chemical Free Air Conditioning/No CFC's, Chronic Pain Relief, Echofone, Electromedicine, Electronics, Explore!, Free Energy, Full Disclosure, KeelyNet, Matric Limited, Neurophone, Oil City PA, Philadelphia Experiment. http://www.uCOS-II.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 2 17:24:01 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA10525; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 17:22:52 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 17:22:52 -0700 From: bpaddock@csonline.net (Bob Paddock) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: 68hc11 Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 20:18:10 -0400 Organization: is mostly via piles Reply-To: bpaddock@csonline.net Message-ID: References: <3.0.5.32.19991002091537.009214c0@main.murray.net.au> <37F66AAD.DD941AD2@microtec.net> In-Reply-To: <37F66AAD.DD941AD2@microtec.net> Lines: 12 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.37Beta [95/NT] Resent-Message-ID: <"7GYpi1.0.Ia2.S7gzt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12392 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >My overunity device works with an 68hc11. Just as point of interest. The TI MSP430 Micro is the lowest current Micro available. Less than 400 uA at 3V. http://www.ti.com/sc/docs/news/1999/99066b.htm The Xilinx CoolPLD's give the lowest PLD's. The former Philips site for them showed how to run them on Grapefruit. http://www.coolpld.com/products/coolpld.htm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 3 16:28:31 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA09041; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 16:27:51 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 16:27:51 -0700 X-Fidalgo-Track-MAIL-A: pm3-1-dyn16.skagit.fidalgo.net [209.191.182.31] X-Fidalgo-Track-MAIL-B: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 16:27:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <015d01bf0df6$243f3020$46b6bfd1@w7o9k8> From: "Fred Epps" To: "Free Energy" Subject: Re: Parametric Conversions Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 16:20:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"QgK0A2.0.AD2.tP-zt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12393 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Harvey and all, >Late on the conversations of others, but did make windings around ceramic 8 >magnets of 4 by 6 inch. >Idea being that induction must be different on whether >windings and current direction oppose or aid existing magnetic field, and >use of diodes would then change in coordination to ac input so that >different inductance readings would be present in reversed conduction, which >will not happen in case of unmagnetised strontium >ferrite. This is the idea behind some frequency changers with permanent magnet biasing. A bias field will definitely make the BH curve of the material different for the two current directions, that's how these devices work. The bias field adds or subtracts to the current's field and puts the material at a different point on the curve. But this in itself can't cause any energy increase. It can only change the freq or make the waveform nonlinear. This then presents the problem of a continually changing >capacitance to resonate on each half cycle to correspond with the changing >inductance. Why would you need to do that? Either it would add to the total inductive reactance, or subtract from it. If it adds, then why not just use a bigger magnet? And why would you subtract it, and cancel your effect? Unless your purpose is to keep the frequency the same during the whole procedure. If such a thing could be done comparatively small inductances >could then act as larger ones.It is a good idea that has been hypothesized. Yes a form of gyrator. If these ideas are intended to get you free energy then there is a problem. The change in L must occur at the current peaks of the input AC, otherwise the effect is simply to make the output wave nonlinear. If the L is dropped at each curent peak athen energy amplification occurs. This is the principle behind the parametric amplifier and transformer. A passive field bias can't do this, there must be an AC or DC pulsed field input for that. I do agree that using inductance changes is more fruitful than capacitance changes for energy generation. The power handling is much higher. Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 3 17:20:40 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA19469; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 17:20:27 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 17:20:27 -0700 Message-ID: <37F7C911.5E2D@intergate.bc.ca> Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 17:22:25 -0400 From: Alik Shereshevsky Reply-To: alik@intergate.bc.ca X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (OS/2; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Parametric Conversions References: <015d01bf0df6$243f3020$46b6bfd1@w7o9k8> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"dICwu.0.1m4.AB_zt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12394 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > > I do agree that using inductance changes is more fruitful than capacitance > changes for energy generation. The power handling is much higher. > > Fred Hi everyone. Anyone working with parametric-type generators should take a look at a gizmo called compulsator. A rotating-machine generator with secondary arranged in such a way as to have a variable inductance. It has the effect of generating very high peak-power pulses for driving rail-guns and similar things. I think it came from Texas A&M U where much of homopolar generator and rail-gun work was done. See patents. Alik From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 3 17:46:59 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA29173; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 17:46:49 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 17:46:49 -0700 From: "Harvey Norris" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Parametric Conversions Message-Id: <938998007.20592.504@excite.com> Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 17:46:47 PDT X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 207.205.185.201 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"51n5V.0.k77.uZ_zt"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12395 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Sun, 3 Oct 1999 16:20:16 -0700, Fred Epps wrote: > Hi Harvey and all, > > >Late on the conversations of others, but did make windings around ceramic 8 > >magnets of 4 by 6 inch. > >Idea being that induction must be different on whether > >windings and current direction oppose or aid existing magnetic field, and > >use of diodes would then change in coordination to ac input so that > >different inductance readings would be present in reversed conduction, > which > >will not happen in case of unmagnetised strontium > >ferrite. > > This is the idea behind some frequency changers with permanent magnet > biasing. A bias field will definitely make the BH curve of the material > different for the two current directions, that's how these devices work. The > bias field adds or subtracts to the current's field and puts the material at > a different point on the curve. But this in itself can't cause any energy > increase. It can only change the freq or make the waveform nonlinear. Was not aware of this info, thanx. > This then presents the problem of a continually changing > >capacitance to resonate on each half cycle to correspond with the changing > >inductance. > > Why would you need to do that? Either it would add to the total inductive > reactance, or subtract from it. If it adds, then why not just use a bigger > magnet? And why would you subtract it, and cancel your effect? > Unless your purpose is to keep the frequency the same during the whole > procedure. Yes this was the idea, however impractical as it sounds, I only mentioned it in passing as a "what if" scenario. I was not that impressed with the inductance I obtained in wrapping speaker wire around 1 inch cylinders of unmagnetized strontium ferrite. When I wondered what would happen if they were magnetised I understood the induction would be greater in one direction of current travel than the other and that resonating the coil with AC would be impossible unless the needed capacitive reactance could change with the inductive reactance every half cycle. This is quite an unfeasonable project but if the needed capacitive values were very small it might be done with sychronius AC motors similar to the function of rotary arc gap operation in tesla primaries. The question remains whether this method might significantly increase the coils acting q, which would be desirable. > If such a thing could be done comparatively small inductances > >could then act as larger ones.It is a good idea that has been hypothesized. > > Yes a form of gyrator. Again thanx for this info, not familiar with gyrator. > If these ideas are intended to get you free energy then there is a problem. > The change in L must occur at the current peaks of the input AC, otherwise > the effect is simply to make the output wave nonlinear. If the L is dropped > at each curent peak athen energy amplification occurs. This is the > principle behind the parametric amplifier and transformer. > A passive field bias can't do this, there must be an AC or DC pulsed field > input for that. > > I do agree that using inductance changes is more fruitful than capacitance > changes for energy generation. The power handling is much higher. > A good thought but I guess I was talking about the inverse idea. I was simply thinking about how to make a higher q coil system for cheaper material cost. I generally need a q of 30 in a coil system to create arcing between 2 180 resonant phases. I am doing high frequency work and not declaring a free energy effect, although I beleive it is possible in certain applications. HDN > > > ________________________________________________________________ Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 3 23:11:35 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id XAA18917; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 23:11:12 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 23:11:12 -0700 From: "Harvey Norris" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Searl and Poynting Message-Id: <939017997.27541.703@excite.com> Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 23:19:57 PDT X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 207.205.184.243 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"L7K7R2.0.Ud4._J4-t"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12396 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Tue, 28 Sep 1999 22:23:28 +0300, Alexander V. Frolov wrote: > Hello, > > Some time ago I wrote about Searl design and I connected its forces with known > Poynting vector ExHxS. Now I have to ask one more time: Jean, is it your original > idea that you wrote here? > > It is not a problem, sometimes different people are thinking by the same way. But > I am interested to hear your answer. > > Alexander V. Frolov > -------------------- The abscense of any working models of Searl machines has not stopped people, including myself from wondering just what the bonkers he is talking about. After reading his first 4 books I decided to not waste any more time. But what becomes intriguing is magnetising with an AC imprint. Several recent considerations were the question does a magnetic cylinder produce field lines that rotate with the cylinder when the cylinder is rotated on the same axis used by the field lines? The consensus on this is that yes they do, but when the cylinder accelerates the field lines do lag behind showing a ferromagnetic gyroscopic reaction to the acceleration. My theory concerning these supposed AC imprint method is different from others, and makes perfect sense in conjunction with Lorentz force law. In this conception the part to be magnetised is rotated as the cylinder example during magnetisation. Since the cases of a rotating cylinder and a non moving cylinder show different actions in these cases, it only stands to reason that magnetization in rotation parallel to field line formation might imprint some unusual effects. But the first problem encountered with an ac mmf timed to cylindrical rotation is the fact only a small section of the imprint is completed during every revolution, until the cylinder is completely filled with these imprints. To establish the feasable amount of imprints the cylinder should be rotated with the rotation timed to the input frequency in the manner of a SLIP RATIO. I AM TALKING ABOUT TRULY MAGNETISING WITH AC, not other published schemes.(the necessary analogy of the real existance of these gyromagnetic effects has previously been shown as a sort of slip ratio between the magnet and its field lines during cylindrical acceleration of the magnet) Concurrent with this initial theory of mine was the fact that the substance to be magnetised was thought to be necessarily able to act as a dielectric and a simultaneous electric field should exist at right angles to the changing magnetic for AC magnetisation. This should be possible with ceramic magnets. This in turn has been postulated to give a Lorentz force proportional to the charge movement existing by the orthogonal electric magnetic reaction. But what is wrong with this idea? Very little actual charge movement can occur in the dielectric.Thus very little Lorentz reaction.But aha, if the dielectric had an aluminum ring in its mid section the electric field could push the charges at right angles to the magnetic, and since the lorentz reaction would be the same on both polarities acting in cyclic fashion, this should cause the rotation of the cylinder as a whole. The immediate reaction to this thought is that the induction currents on the aluminum ring from the changing magnetic field have not been accounted for: this is true and by Lenz law they will always make a current that produces a magnetic field in opposition to the source that caused it. But in this case the lorentz force law only produces a current in agreement with that made by lenz law 50% of the time, since the Lorentz force pulses in one polarity direction only in this E*B timing. Furthermore the Lorentz Law reaction should be found to exceed the forces on the free charges caused by either the electric or magnetic fields alone, also shown as the vector multiplication quantity relation of 1.4 to unit sides of 1 at right angles. To make this idea work I need and have procured a special generator setup where two series resonant magnetic fields can be obtained at 90 degree phasing.The electric field pulse on the cylinder is obtained when one of the phases reaches zero power input. A magnetic field also reaches its maximum at the same moment in time from the complement phase. Two of these cylinders actually are needed for the proper utilization of the 90 degree phasing interaction, which is done by spatially interacting each magnetic and electric field on the cylinder at right angles. The conception then becomes that the rotation of the cylinders should be accomplished by this special dual AC input with a theoretical Lorentz force reaction at OVER UNITY. or maybe 40% over input. It all has to do with how an available amount of energy is phased into an input. The correct method is to have one system reaching its maximum kinetic energy simultaneous to another reaching its maximum potential, AND to then secure a reaction BETWEEN the systems as realized by the respective electric and magnetic fields as each phase contains in time. I beleive this kind of generator had to be used to start the mythical Searl device, if in fact it existed at all. In summo, according to this thinking one wonders why the specially imprinted magnets are even needed? Or is it possible that this 90 degree phasing can be used to catalyse a free energy rotation, and the generator can then be pulled as the input, similar to the way a battery connection to field can be pulled from an alternator and still function? I guess Searl would say this is rubbish, to use one of his terms.But since no one in the world can understand what he is talking about except him I offer the above speculations, as bizaar as they get. This is basically my take on the Searl stuff. HDN ________________________________________________________________ Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 4 00:36:25 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id AAA02847; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 00:36:05 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 00:36:05 -0700 X-Fidalgo-Track-MAIL-A: pm3-1-dyn4.skagit.fidalgo.net [209.191.182.19] X-Fidalgo-Track-MAIL-B: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 00:36:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <018a01bf0e3a$57d48220$46b6bfd1@w7o9k8> From: "Fred Epps" To: "Free Energy" Subject: Parametrics Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 00:29:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"D-Epd.0.Oi.bZ5-t"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12397 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Folks, There has been some discussion of using varactors to generate power through parametric amplification. It's been clear to me for quite a while that the most fruitful avenue to pursue here is in the area of inductive rather than capacitive changes. In a typical form of magnetic amplifier two toroidal cores are used. A current to be controlled goes through secondary windings on both toroids. In addition, a control current passes through two primary windings on both coils. What makes this a 'mag amp' rather than a form of transformer is the fact that one of either the primary or secondary windings is counterwound. This means that any voltage induced from the primary to the secondary or vice versa is cancelled in the windings: energy exchange can only occur through changes in the inductance of the cores as the fields of the primary and secondary affect the magnetization. In operation, a steady current to be controlled is passed through the secondary. The control current is put through the primary, bringing the cores closer to saturation, and lowering their inductance. The energy stored in the field of the cores due to the secondary current is given by E = 1/2 (LI^2). Since this energy cannot change by itself, when the L is lowered, the current increases. This principle is used in a more sohisticated way in the parametric transformer, where the primary current is made AC, and there is no input into the secondary coils. If the change in L of the cores is high and fast enough, a tank circuit connected to the secondaries will begin to oscillate and a current will form in the tank. This curent develops out of the inductance changes applied to noise currents in the secondary. With each variation of L the noise current is amplified a bit more and will reach a condition of stability characterized by perfect sine waves. The parametric transformer is interesting for several reasons, not least because it is an application of nonlinear or chaos theory. The key point in these unusual transformers is that the output does load the input completely. The output current also affects the L of the cores and this change is out of phase with the AC input and pulls the current down when it wants to go up. A well designed parametric transformer is about as efficient as a well designed inductive transformer. Now it's important to point out that, as in the case of the complex crystalline structure of a varactor, the process depends on the MATERIAL NATURE of the core material, in fact on the basic nature of ferromagnetism which is not often appreciated. It is well acknowledged that the physics of materials is one of the most complex areas in physics because materials contain many simultaneous processes which cannot be not fully described at lower orders of organization. In the present context, ferromagnetism is the result of quantum interactions called exchange forces that reach beyond the local region of atoms. Ferromagnetism is nonlocal. That is why a piece of iron can be fully magnetized by a very small field. This nonlinearity is represented by the curvature of the BH curve. Now back to the main point. To rephrase my original question in tems of these devices: Is it possible to design a parametric transformer that can create an output greater than the input needed to change the inductance? It is obvious that from an energy conservation perspective it must be impossible. However I have grave doubts about an energy conservation law that posits time as an independent variable. In my view time is only a measurement of a particular material process according to an arbitrary "beat". There are good reasons to think that this means that a process where the time constant is changing-- the time constant being based on reactive parameters of the system--can appear to violate conservation as seen by an outside observer. So ignoring energy conservation, can one imagine a system where my question can be answered in the affirmative? One possible answer presents itself: Picture a hollow ferrous cylinder with very thin walls and a considerable diameter. Ideally this cylinder would be made of amorphous metal but it could be made of ferrite or steel. It could be a few cm. thick, a hundred cm. across and say fifty cm. high. Three windings are on this cylinder. It is assumed here that all three windings have the same number of turns.There are two windings around its circumference, one inside and one outside. These two windings are in series and together are the secondary of the device. They are the inductor in a tank circuit containing the output load resistor. The third, primary, winding is wound through the center of the cylinder and around the other two windings. Now consider what happens when an AC current is passed through the primary. First, the primary and secondaries are at right angles so there is no inductive interaction between them, the usual condition of a parametric transformer. Second, the geometry of the core is very different as seen by the two coils. The primary flux passes through thin metal whereas the secondary flux passes through the whole area of the tube. This means that the primary flux will saturate the tube at a much lower level than the secondary. A small current can control the L of the tube, and if this current is AC, can produce the parametric oscillation in the secondary. And, as is the nature of these devices, the secondary current will be out of phase from the input and change the L in such a way as to pull the input current down. But in order for this loading to be complete, the current in the output must be higher than that of the input! For it appears that the secondary windings just don't have as much effect on the core material as the primary ones do. The flux must rise to a higher level in order to have the same impact on the inductance of the core as the primary flux does. Not to belabor the point, the coil produces more output than input, if the input is fully loaded. Now this is only one possible solution. There are a whole bag of tricks that could be used, ranging from the trivial to the esoteric. But this illustrates one possible example of a situation where energy is mediated by a ferromagnetic material in such a way as to increase it. Ultimately this increase is due to the nature of ferromagnetism, and ultimately the source of the excess energy is the spin of the physical vacuum, but that is another letter :-) Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 4 00:52:27 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id AAA06059; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 00:52:12 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 00:52:12 -0700 X-Fidalgo-Track-MAIL-A: pm3-1-dyn4.skagit.fidalgo.net [209.191.182.19] X-Fidalgo-Track-MAIL-B: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 00:52:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <019f01bf0e3c$993b7320$46b6bfd1@w7o9k8> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: Gyromagnetic Ratio Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 00:46:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"2FoVn1.0.ZU1.io5-t"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12398 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Harvey, Sorri I didnt get around to reading this letter till now... >Some time ago there was a discussion about when a cylindrical magnet with >its poles at the ends of the cylinder is rotated on its cylindrical axis do >the field lines move with the rotation of the cylinder? I expressed an >opinion that they do not,which it appears they may do so and my opinion was >wrong. Actually the conventional view appears to be that they don't, with some saying there is no real way to tell by experiments. More properly the field lines exhibit a quality of inertia and it is >the change in velocity or second derivative acceleration that produces the >scientific observation deduced in Einstein-Dehaas? experiments. Boy that >Einstein got around, didnt he? And everyone wants to discredit him these >days.I dont even know if I got the second name right. He must be Belgian, >Anyways others did this experiment also in different forms,but what was done >was to spin the magnetic cylinder and stop it suddenly. The field lines >would keep moving exhibiting magnetic inertia, which was deduced that a >gyroscopic action from a rotating ferromagnetic electron spin was >responsible. The acceleration of spin produces a gyroscopic reaction that >resists the spin, but once the spin is established the field lines should >rotate with the cylinder. I dont know if this is true but Fred Epps once >pointed out the subtle deceptions between velocity and acceleration and I >wonder if he could comment about whether what I have said is true. These are called "Electron Inertia" effects and don't really have anything to do with the field lines themselves. Electrons have mass and so if the rod they are in is moved the electrons are moving relative to the rod and a current is formed. This current also creates its own magnetic field. Also since the electrons are in orbit the rotation of the rod causes precession, the gyromagnetic effect you mention. I am not absolutely sure about this but I read the paper by Barnett where he described all this stuff a while ago and I think that is the bare bones of it. It is interesting stuff in itself, especially when you think of the electron centrifugal effect, the Tolman effect, in the context of the Searl devices. The Tolman effect is too small to do what he claimed, but... Personally I think Searl is what I would call a "visionary fraud", someone who has a glimpse of truth, maybe channels it, and then can't quite make it happen in reality, so they create a mockup of it and convince themselves and others it is true. Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 4 04:57:30 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id EAA19705; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 04:57:12 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 04:57:12 -0700 Message-ID: <37F8A15B.5214E956@mail.admiral.ru> Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 15:45:15 +0300 From: "Alexander V. Frolov" Reply-To: frolov@mail.admiral.ru Organization: Home Lab X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Searl and Poynting References: <939017997.27541.703@excite.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"wgTG82.0.op4.OO9-t"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12399 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Harvey Norris wrote: > The abscense of any working models of Searl machines has not stopped people, I know Dr. Searl can produce demo for you, if you'll pay. > others, and makes perfect sense in conjunction with Lorentz force law. It is only force in BxE and it was detected by Oersted > SLIP RATIO. I AM TALKING ABOUT TRULY MAGNETISING WITH AC, What means AC? Is it alternating current? > I beleive this kind of generator had to be used to start the mythical Searl > device, if in fact it existed at all. Good luck! > I guess Searl would say this is rubbish, to use one of his terms. I suppose he is not interested to explaine for all people his idea free but if someone will pay for demo... Best regards. Alexander V. Frolov -- http://www.time-machine.spb.ru ICQ 43757451 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 4 10:13:51 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA10647; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 10:13:33 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 10:13:33 -0700 Message-ID: <37F63862.70AD544E@infovia.com.ar> Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 13:52:53 -0300 From: Juan de la Cruz Barrios X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [es] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: es MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: OFF TOPIC: impossible mail... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"woIpO3.0.Fc2.z0E-t"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12400 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi Fred at all, Fred, It's impossible send a mail to you!. I've tried for a week. Is you losing lots of mails, for sure. You must check your email server. Regards, Juan. > > Nonderiverable mail fepps@fidalgo.net 550 Mail from 200.32.38.131 refused by blackhole site rbl.maps.vix.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 4 11:54:08 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA18847; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 11:53:47 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 11:53:47 -0700 X-Fidalgo-Track-MAIL-A: pm3-1-dyn7.skagit.fidalgo.net [209.191.182.22] X-Fidalgo-Track-MAIL-B: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 11:53:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <008101bf0e99$057370e0$474a66d1@w7o9k8> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: impossible mail... Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 11:46:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"iNIXL3.0.Oc4.wUF-t"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12401 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi Juan, I think you have my email as fepps@fidalgo.com, when it is fepps@fidalgo.net I did get your private letter just now for some reason. Fred >Hi Fred at all, > >Fred, It's impossible send a mail to you!. I've tried for a week. >Is you losing lots of mails, for sure. You must >check your email server. > >Regards, Juan. >> From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 5 00:56:14 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id AAA26677; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 00:56:01 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 00:56:01 -0700 Message-ID: <010101bf0f07$5c6d06e0$465323cb@-> From: "Peter Nielsen" To: Subject: Re: Searl and Poynting Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 17:57:20 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"yJ-sa.0.kW6.GyQ-t"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12403 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Have you read about the effect where a steel ball is made to rotate around the circumference of two charged disks, i.e. in between? This appears to demonstrate a force that is not magnetic or electrical. So what happens when you spin the disks and replace the ball with an electrode? Peter Nielsen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 5 00:56:17 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id AAA26659; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 00:55:59 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 00:55:59 -0700 Message-ID: <010001bf0f07$5b78e2e0$465323cb@-> From: "Peter Nielsen" To: Subject: Re: Parametrics Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 17:54:32 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"1XC2O.0.NW6.FyQ-t"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12402 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >The third, primary, winding is wound through the center of the cylinder and >around the other two windings. > What you are describing is almost the same as a Lorenz force generator. For example, a ferrite toroid with both a toroidal and poloidal winding. What's missing is the third cancellation vector, a rotational field aligned with the central axis. Then I believe you would see a measurable effect. >Ultimately this >increase is due to the nature of ferromagnetism, and ultimately the source >of the excess energy is the spin of the physical vacuum, but that is another >letter :-) > >Fred > The vacuum may be polarized with spinning particles of the core material. Peter Nielsen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 5 06:06:23 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA32270; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 06:06:15 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 06:06:15 -0700 Message-ID: <37F9F839.2520@cyberportal.net> Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 09:08:09 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nuenergy@listbot.com CC: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: [Fwd: Re: [Fwd: Dr. Hulda Clarke arrested, Oct 4 arraignment San Diego]] Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"p5acw1.0.0u7.6VV-t"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12404 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by mail1.fcgnetworks.net (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id HAA03596 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 07:44:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from earthlink.net (dialup-209.245.71.156.LosAngeles1.Level3.net [209.245.71.156]) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA27559 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 04:44:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37F9E48C.2E481E21@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 04:44:12 -0700 From: Chris Patton Reply-To: zpexec@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Subject: Re: [Fwd: Dr. Hulda Clarke arrested, Oct 4 arraignment San Diego] References: <37F7467E.5264@cyberportal.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Bruce, I am just completing the 70 minute documentary on Dr. Clark this week called " THE CURE", my partner and I have been working very closely with her these last 5 months to communicate her latest advancements in Cancer research and self healing. The documentary is coming along great and you will see a segment of it on PBS on the Tony Brown show around Oct. 15th. We have alot of very successful cases on the video as well as very reputable scientists and researcher's. I hope that everyone lends their support for this woman who has put her life on the line to make sure that this information gets out to the masses. Please send those protest letters, and if you have had personal success using her protocol please let the Indiana Prosecutor know about it. Thanks guys, Chris Patton Executive Producer Zero Point Entertainment From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 5 06:25:58 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA09823; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 06:25:55 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 06:25:55 -0700 Message-ID: <37F9FCD4.6ACC@cyberportal.net> Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 09:27:48 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nu Energy Horizons CC: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Re: The radioactive need - correction References: <0012b47a.c21508@globalcrossing.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"dGf5G1.0.JP2.ZnV-t"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12405 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Martin, It has been my past experience that the detector/valve required radioactive material because it was the source of energy. However, in recent days new data seems to indicate that it is only required to ionize the tube, it being the "carrying current." If this is the case then a substitute may be used. I have indicated formulas obtained the the below mentioned patent that may provide this substitute. This patent is included in my new book release. My book also detaials a valve that uses non-radioactive materials in its' construction for a proof of principle prototype. If you can remember where you heard the "rumor about the radioactive metals in the rare-earth magnets" please pass on the reference. I am always open to any available data on this subject. John Moreland does not have to let me say what patent number that I have made mention to. It is public information and it has also expired. -Bruce A. Perreault martin_wolff@globalcrossing.com wrote: > > Nu Energy Horizons - http://www.nuenergy.org > > Do you have a view on why the detector/valve requires a radioactive source? > I can understand why the switching tubes can benefit from it but the > detector doesn't make any sense to me. > > I've heard the rumor about the radioactive metals in the rare-earth magnets > so it might be common knowledge now. I don't remember where I heard it from > but I certainly wasn't made to use John Moreland's name in reference to it. > I doubt that these super magnets contribute more to over-unity unless some > of the radiation is getting out of the magnet. > > I know that Nd-144 is radioactive but the figures I see for the halflife > are 2.29E+15 yrs. If I am reading this right, it doesn't seem to be > decaying very fast. I don't know how that figure was arrived at but it seem > barely radioactive. > > Will John Moreland let you say what the patient number was or at least what > the patent subject was? Or is this coming in the book. > > Martin. > > >This is not correct... what is required for an efficient ion switch is > >that a glow discharge is achieved... the detector/valve is yet another > >matter. So far, only detectors that have used radioactive materials > >have put out high amounts of power. There is a detector design that is > >revealed in my new book release that will allow a prototype to function > >without the radioactive material. However, so far, I have not acheived > >a self-sustained mode with this recent design. This does not mean that > >it can not be acheived. There are formulas in a Patent that I obtained > >from John Moreland that he had uncovered years back, that appear will > >allow my radiant energy receiver designs to be self-sustaining. The > >reason I mention John's name here is that I gave my word to him if I > >ever used this patent that credit would be given to him for finding this > >patent. I like to think that I am a man of my word, therefore, I am > >giving John Moreland credit for this patent find. I have not had the > >resources to try these formulas in my prototypes to date. If I sell > >enough books the proceeds will go into buying the required materials. > >This patent could very well contain the formulas for a radiant energy > >receiver that does not require feared radioactive materials. I must > >however point out that all of the formulas contain neodymium. Neodymium > >contains 23.9% Nd-144 which is an alpha emitter. You would not know that > >this material is radioactive because the alphas are self absorbed and > >radiation detectors will not register these emissions. I often wonder if > >these "over-unity" motors using neodymium magnets are getting their > >excess power from this source, as John Moreland has speculated. Yes, I > >will give John credit for this one too. > >However, in my own defense, I will also point out that what John has publically > >released as his own research, other than the two credits given in this post, > >has been a result of information that he had gleaned from me over the years.I > >do not wish to degrade John Moreland in any way, shape, or form. I just want > >the record to be straight. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 5 06:40:10 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA15193; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 06:40:04 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 06:40:04 -0700 Message-ID: <37F9FF87.3D8D@cyberportal.net> Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 09:39:19 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nu Energy Horizons CC: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Alphas & Betas References: <0012bca9.c21508@globalcrossing.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"C9mBR2.0.Ij3.p-V-t"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12406 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Martin, Firstly, beta sources are like 1000 times weaker than alpha sources... Secondly, there may be an alpha fusion reaction that occurs in the detector/valve. I will not know this for certain until I can raise funds for the right equipment to determine this. "Alpha Fusion" is explained in my new book release. I received your pre-release order yesterday. It looks like there will be an early release. Once you get the book your questions should become clear. I am sure that you will have several more questins after reading the material. It is exciting that my years of dedicated research is now beginning to take fruit. -Bruce A. Perreault martin_wolff@globalcrossing.com wrote: > > Bruce, > > Have you ever thought about using beta radiation instead of alpha? If you > took one of your tubes and used a beta source on the wire instead of an > alpha. Then, around the metal tube, you put a dielectric and another tube > around that, wouldn't you get a similar effect? I'm talking K-40 to Ca-40 > here. > > Martin. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 5 10:47:48 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA07797; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 10:47:36 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 10:47:36 -0700 From: HLafonte@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 13:47:29 EDT Subject: Sucessful test! To: energy21@listbot.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Resent-Message-ID: <"kUWzN.0.bv1.tcZ-t"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12407 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: The attraction/repulsion section of my device has been tested and works as I had planned. I will now start building attraction section only and update the list when the two sections are connected and tested. See web site if you are not familiar with my project. Thanks, Butch LaFonte LaFonte Research site 1, or http://hometown.aol.com/hlafonte/index.html From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 5 11:17:38 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA19714; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 11:17:35 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 11:17:35 -0700 Message-ID: <19991005181735.78283.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [63.27.227.141] From: "Timothy Flytcher" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Searl and Poynting Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 11:17:35 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"rC5A13.0.tp4._2a-t"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12408 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Peter, This sounds very interesting... but I'm not sure I have seen what you describe, can you give a link?? > >Have you read about the effect where a steel ball is made to rotate around >the circumference of two charged disks, i.e. in between? > >This appears to demonstrate a force that is not magnetic or electrical. > >So what happens when you spin the disks and replace the ball with an >electrode? > >Peter Nielsen > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 5 12:38:08 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA17899; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 12:37:54 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 12:37:54 -0700 Message-ID: <37FA4E81.405B3EF8@infovia.com.ar> Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 16:16:17 -0300 From: Juan de la Cruz Barrios X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [es] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: es MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Sucessful test! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"7_CDs1.0.aN4.IEb-t"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12409 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi Butch, Congratulations! I'm hope the new section work fine too. Regards, Juan. HLafonte@aol.com escribió: > The attraction/repulsion section of my device has been tested and works as I > had planned. I will now start building attraction section only and update the > list when the two sections are connected and tested. See web site if you are > not familiar with my project. > Thanks, > Butch LaFonte > LaFonte Research site > 1, or http://hometown.aol.com/hlafonte/index.html From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 5 18:43:05 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA32691; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 18:42:45 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 18:42:45 -0700 X-Fidalgo-Track-MAIL-A: pm3-2-dyn43.skagit.fidalgo.net [209.102.74.58] X-Fidalgo-Track-MAIL-B: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 18:42:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <00c901bf0f9b$541e90a0$114a66d1@w7o9k8> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: Parametrics Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 18:31:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"m28x9.0.h-7.Lag-t"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12410 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Peter, >>The third, primary, winding is wound through the center of the cylinder and >>around the other two windings. >> > >What you are describing is almost the same as a Lorenz force generator. If the material was linear that would be what it was. And there is a similarity to Bill Beatty's proposal of a while back too. > >For example, a ferrite toroid with both a toroidal and poloidal winding. Yes this has been patented as a "rotating flux transformer" with counterphase inputs http://www.patents.ibm.com/details?pn=US04638177__ >What's missing is the third cancellation vector, a rotational field aligned >with the central axis. Then I believe you would see a measurable effect. I'm trying to visualize how that would be done... > >>Ultimately this >>increase is due to the nature of ferromagnetism, and ultimately the source >>of the excess energy is the spin of the physical vacuum, but that is >another >>letter :-) > >The vacuum may be polarized with spinning particles of the core material. Precisely. This is what a magnetic field is. Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 5 18:43:05 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA32710; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 18:42:46 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 18:42:46 -0700 X-Fidalgo-Track-MAIL-A: pm3-2-dyn43.skagit.fidalgo.net [209.102.74.58] X-Fidalgo-Track-MAIL-B: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 18:42:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <00ca01bf0f9b$54b419e0$114a66d1@w7o9k8> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: Searl and Poynting Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 18:37:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"_VJSg3.0._-7.Mag-t"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12411 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Peter, >Have you read about the effect where a steel ball is made to rotate around >the circumference of two charged disks, i.e. in between? No I haven't, It sounds a bit like the searl stuff but I don't think that is what you are referring to. I'd like to hear more. > >This appears to demonstrate a force that is not magnetic or electrical. Also remonids me of the simple experiment where you drop a needle straight down over the end of a bar magnet. It spins around its axis. This can't be accounted for by any usual means. > >So what happens when you spin the disks and replace the ball with an >electrode? Interesting that you shold mention that. Nils Rognerud refers to an interesting european patent that gives thrust along the rotational axis of two spinning concentric charged cylinders. http://www.rognerud.com/physics/html/eu_patent.html Also, the Otis Carr antigravity device also used two counterspinning charged plates. Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 5 22:00:50 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA07149; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 22:00:43 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 22:00:43 -0700 From: JNaudin509@aol.com Message-ID: <0.bbd343eb.252c316e@aol.com> Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 01:00:30 EDT Subject: Re: Sucessful test! To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, energy21@listbot.com CC: HLafonte@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 166 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id WAA07109 Resent-Message-ID: <"tFfWY3.0.Yl1.wTj-t"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12412 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dans un courrier daté du 05/10/99 19:49:01é), HLafonte@aol.com a écrit : > The attraction/repulsion section of my device has been tested and works as I > had planned. I will now start building attraction section only and update > the > list when the two sections are connected and tested. See web site if you are > > not familiar with my project. > Thanks, > Butch LaFonte > LaFonte Research site > 1, or http://hometown.aol.com/hlafonte/index.html Congratulation Butch, I wish you to succeed soon in your test, Keep up your good work, Best Regards, Jean-Louis Naudin From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 5 22:03:10 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA07932; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 22:03:03 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 22:03:03 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.16.19991005212016.2157107e@earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (16) Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 21:20:16 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: Varactor circuits, was Barium Titanate to Solar Energy In-Reply-To: <006501bf0c5b$3224e820$324a66d1@w7o9k8> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"jehoa2.0.mx1.7Wj-t"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12413 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Fred and all, At 03:20 PM 10/1/99 -0700, you wrote: >>I was using 2 1N5468B varactors in parallel. They are rated at 22pF at -4 >>volts bias. I think I sent you some oscilloscope waveform photo's back >>then, Fred (Sept. 1997). > >I'm trying to find them. I probably didn't understand them at the time, I >was not very knowledgeable about electronics then, as I discover now :-/ > I found some photos and there is some f/2 output in some of them. The tests were done about Oct. 15, 1997. I may have mixed up some in my memory other tests at the same time with switched (CMOS 4066) bifilar coils and parametric transformers :(. >>> >>>You mean because of the signal itself modulating the C? >> >>The circuit node between the drive capacitor and the varactors has no >>defined bias voltage. So the signal voltage at the varactors is >>???(min/max). (maybe clamped by their being foward biased during part of >>the cycle.) > >Ok I think I follow. I wish I had your tests here so I could see how you got >around that. Simple, have another much larger cap in series with the varactor cap so a DC bias could be applied. Otherwise, the coil keeps both sides at the same DC voltage. With no bias, the waveforms look pretty chaotic. Since you want a reverse bias, you could also use just another resistor wired and used just as a "grid leak" for vacuum tube/valve circuits. >> >I can only guess that the large C variation makes it so nonlinear that F >output can occur, normally it is not easy to get. Jean-louis sometimes works >magic that only he can explain :-) That sounds a little backward? Don't you want as much nonconstant C behavior as possible to get any output other than "F"? Or are you making a distinction between linear C changes with applied voltage and higher order variations? >> >>>2) What was the POWER input of your negative bias based on your tests? >> >>Very small, that of a reverse biased silicon diode. I could not measure the >>current through a 100k bias resistor. > >And that is why it is an interesting area to look into. I would guess any output is coming from the "pump" not bias as that is what is changing the C. If you use the "grid leak" technique, the pump supplies the bias as well, of course using more power. >> >>>3) A square wave is more effective at driving parametrics than sine, this >>>may be why it was hard to get the 2F going. >> >>Yes. some power varactor circuits have 3F output with sine wave input, >>using a 2F "idler" tank circuit. > >huh, I would like to see the refs on that, haven't heard of that. In >microwaves I assume? And lower frequencies too. Look in 1960's radio amateur radio handbooks for triplers from 144MHz to 432MHz. I assume it is also in H. and Hill. >| No, Stuart Rae was going to do it with the varactor I picked out as best, >a >| BB212 with > 20:1 capacitance ratio, but I don't recall him every giving >any >| results. Did you ever do that test, Stuart? The 22pF ones I used were spec'ed at -4 Volts. If -1 volt is used like in the spec for larger capacitance varactors, the variation would be much larger (using C~1/V). > >Stuart said: >| > >>Yes I remember I did try that. But for some reason, I never did get the >>input switching circuit operating correctly, and I "temporarily" abandoned >>it. The fault was not in the idea, but in my inept oscillator design. >>However, the BB212 board still lies in the bottom of a draw somewhere. > >I guess they don't make the BB212 anymore, there are some other ones but the >C ratio is not as high. > >>But I still think the concept is a "goer" though, and being parametric I >>can't see why it wouldn't work. > >It certainly works as a parametric oscillator, whether it could be OU or not >is another question . I certainly think it is interesting that with the >minimal power input of a reversed bias diode you are able to create >considerable power in a tank. Granted it is partly reactive but still... > >>I've an old patent around here somewhere that uses a simple motor driven >>capacitor in a resonant circuit to accomplish precisely the same thing, and >>I can't fault the theory in that. > >Yes, the Ferdinand Cap "Parametric Electric Machine" Is there an electrostatic drag force on the rotating capacitor and this is where the output power comes from? > >http://www.patents.ibm.com/details?pn=US04622510__ > >>So why not use a varactor that isn't loaded by the output, when it changes >capacitance at the appropriate frequency? The energy "in" requirement is >constant, and completely separate from the oscillation energy of the tank. >On the other hand, I'm inclined to think simplistically. > >That's exactly my thinking. We simpletons must stick together :-) >Realistically such a device is limited by the nature of varactors but it >would certainly be interesting to see it fully resolved one way or the >other. The very first message I wrote to a list was on this exact idea, >and that was a while ago :-) > -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 5 22:47:57 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA20588; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 22:47:53 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 22:47:53 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.16.19991005223856.2d47490c@earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (16) Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 22:38:56 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Book "Newton vs. Einstein" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"EhO6W3.0.W15.9Ak-t"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12414 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi all, Does anyone have more info on this book by Peter and P.N. Graneau (date, where to find, etc.)? I haven't been succesful on the net book searches or interlibrary loan attempts. -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 5 22:52:08 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA21991; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 22:52:06 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 22:52:06 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19991006015602.01335100@inforamp.net> X-Sender: quinney@inforamp.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 01:56:02 -0700 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Colin Quinney Subject: Re: Searl and Poynting Cc: kfbrown@worldnet.att.net In-Reply-To: <00ca01bf0f9b$54b419e0$114a66d1@w7o9k8> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Ln0732.0.PN5.5Ek-t"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12415 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 06:37 PM 10/05/99 -0700, Fred Epps wrote: Nils Rognerud refers to an >interesting european patent that gives thrust along the rotational axis of >two spinning concentric charged cylinders. >http://www.rognerud.com/physics/html/eu_patent.html > >Also, the Otis Carr antigravity device also used two counterspinning charged >plates. Hi Fred! A short but very interesting analysis of a gravitoelectric field associated with charge by Kedrick brown can be found at, I'm wondering if Kedrick was aware of that patent. (?) Best, Colin Quinney From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 5 23:15:51 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id XAA28824; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 23:15:34 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 23:15:34 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 20:15:28 -1000 Subject: Fred's pin drop experiment From: "Rick Monteverde" To: freenrg Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <199910060215442.SM00354@[192.168.0.2]> Resent-Message-ID: <"o8zp01.0.H27.5ak-t"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12416 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Fred - Regarding dropping a pin on the pole of a magnet... Sounds to me like a simple homopolar motor. Feynman's lecture? - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 5 23:54:25 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id XAA04833; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 23:54:20 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 23:54:20 -0700 From: "Harvey Norris" To: frolov@mail.admiral.ru Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Searl and Poynting Message-Id: <939192850.21086.972@excite.com> Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 23:54:10 PDT X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 207.220.167.25 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"7pXog1.0.MB1.S8l-t"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12417 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 04 Oct 1999 15:45:15 +0300, Alexander V. Frolov wrote: > Harvey Norris wrote: > > > The abscense of any working models of Searl machines has not stopped people, > > I know Dr. Searl can produce demo for you, if you'll pay. I have already paid my due respect to Searl and Associates in their monetary manner of exchange. I do not engage in fraud or fraudulant activities. It is fraud to make people believe a coherent theory exists, when in fact it does not. The Law of the Squares as published by Searl does not lead to any conclusions that I can see. And I have studied the mathematical basis of these squares, can construct them by knowledge after looking at his misleading structures in an attempt to obfuscate a beginner attemting to learn the actual structure of a beginning square of 64. He does this in his own books that purport to make an understanding, when in fact one of the most complicated solutions are presented as a preliminary example. Essentially Searl has taken the old subject of magic squares and mystified it into something that has no context or substance whatsoever. As an example of a gullibility syndrome induced by Searl thinking I could submit the following. > > It is only force in BxE and it was detected by Oersted Probably by quantity of moving charge, and not small quantity of displacement current. > > SLIP RATIO. I AM TALKING ABOUT TRULY MAGNETISING WITH AC, > > What means AC? Is it alternating current? Yes, two powerful AC signals to magnetise in unique way. Each signal 90 degree phased, which is unobtainable in conventional design of 120 phasing, however two simultaneous alternators of large bus design can be converted back to AC by removal of diodes, and then interfaced by driving each on common axle with adjustment to make any phase angle between them. Step down tranformers deliver large amperage for magnetization of sample during rotation, on separate shaft with impressed slip ratio being the fraction of revolutions per second versus frequency of cycles per second. This is analogous to magnetizing with multi pole imprints in conventional technique without AC. Hard to also mention the fact electric field acts in concert with B at right angles.If frequency of cylindrical rotation matches that of AC input, no slip ratio exists and no imprints result. This is only theory. HDN > > I beleive this kind of generator had to be used to start the mythical Searl > > device, if in fact it existed at all. Just some speculations, dont need good luck for that. A lot of speculation is good for the soul. Even though I see an idea in the mind, it may not be practical. It is good for others to also see an idea and comment whether feasibility is justified. Perhaps I am guilty of gullible thinking! HDN ________________________________________________________________ Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 5 23:54:44 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id XAA05416; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 23:54:42 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 23:54:42 -0700 From: JNaudin509@aol.com Message-ID: <8933978c.252c4c2f@aol.com> Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 02:54:39 EDT Subject: Repulsin B saucer diagram updated To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 166 Resent-Message-ID: <"qerX61.0.PK1.o8l-t"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12418 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dear All, I have updated the diagrams and pictures about the "Repulsin type B" flying saucer from Viktor Schauberger with more accurate diagrams closer to the original design from 1941. And also I have added some explanations about the working principle. If you are interested, look at : http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/delany/256/html/repulsb.htm Best Regards Jean-Louis Naudin Email: Jnaudin509@aol.com Overunity Web site: http://members.aol.com/jnaudin509/index.htm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 6 01:02:33 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id BAA19110; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 01:02:16 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 01:02:16 -0700 X-Fidalgo-Track-MAIL-A: pm3-2-dyn38.skagit.fidalgo.net [209.102.74.53] X-Fidalgo-Track-MAIL-B: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 01:02:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <049d01bf0fd0$59e8b3a0$114a66d1@w7o9k8> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: Book "Newton vs. Einstein" Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 00:56:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"-ihKI3.0.Vg4.78m-t"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12419 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Dave, I just checked it out of the library a week ago. I will have to find it too, it has too much in it to read in two weeks. It is out of print now. Don't order it thourgh amazon coms oop service, it is too expensive. They just go to the used bookstores and buy it from them, and you can do that. Fred Newton Versus Einstein: How Matter Interacts With Matter Peter Graneau and Neal Graneau Carlton Press, Inc. New York, N.Y. 1993 ISBN 0-8062-4514-X >Hi all, >Does anyone have more info on this book by Peter and P.N. Graneau (date, >where to find, etc.)? >I haven't been succesful on the net book searches or interlibrary loan >attempts. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 6 04:24:57 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id EAA29395; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 04:24:47 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 04:24:47 -0700 Message-ID: <00ff01bf0fed$b2a225e0$2b5323cb@-> From: "Peter Nielsen" To: Subject: Re: Parametrics Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 21:26:17 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"iCC3b.0.CB7._5p-t"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12420 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >>What's missing is the third cancellation vector, a rotational field aligned >>with the central axis. Then I believe you would see a measurable effect. >> >I'm trying to visualize how that would be done... > >Fred > The cylinder of ferromagnetic material, in having a toroidal winding, is similar to Hooper's hair-pin coil. The flux cancellation between the anti-parallel inside and outside of each loop results in an extradimensional 90 degree orthorotation. Assuming the poloidal windings are also anti-parallel, i.e. driven in series, the same would occur, but at a right angle. Consequently, you have a hyperdimensional product from the cancellation of each coil that is is double the applied frequency, and orthagonally confluent with the _EM_ vector of the other. That's where the energy gain hides. Simultaneously, the two hyperdimensional products are generated at 90 degrees to each other. Thus vacuum interfacing can occur within the ferroceramic by rotating it, adding a dynamic force vector. Otherwise, the system remains static. One might expect to see a change in relative inductance between the two coils. Personally, I would replace the poloidal windings with a convergent electrical field. You may recall Hooper's coil was encased in a capacitor. And Carr's capacitor was bounded by a magnetic field. The latter was a bit like a two dimensional rendition of a planetary body. The principle was peroidic reflection off the neutral center. If we do a bit of collective brainstorming, a common link might emerge. IMO the key is in the vectoral relationship of orthagonal conversions. The reduction of four dimensions to three through superposition and spin. A parametric cirucit with 4D geometry. Peter Nielsen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 6 09:33:03 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA28197; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 09:32:51 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 09:32:51 -0700 From: tgrimes1@juno.com To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 12:27:36 -0400 Subject: Re: Book "Newton vs. Einstein" Message-ID: <19991006.122740.-429743.0.tgrimes1@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 2.0.11 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-2 X-Juno-Att: 0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"JBuda1.0.Ou6.pct-t"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12421 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I don't have this particular book, but "Newtonian Electrodynamcis". I got it through Barnes & Noble, it took about 8 weeks for them to get it. -Tom ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 6 09:44:23 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA02483; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 09:44:22 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 09:44:22 -0700 X-Fidalgo-Track-MAIL-A: pm3-3-dyn23.skagit.fidalgo.net [209.191.182.86] X-Fidalgo-Track-MAIL-B: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 09:44:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <001e01bf1019$48d4ddc0$56b6bfd1@w7o9k8> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: Varactor circuits, was Barium Titanate to Solar Energy Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 09:38:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"RkiUc1.0.dc.bnt-t"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12422 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Dave and all, > >>>I was using 2 1N5468B varactors in parallel. They are rated at 22pF at -4 >>>volts bias. I think I sent you some oscilloscope waveform photo's back >>>then, Fred (Sept. 1997). >> >>I'm trying to find them. I probably didn't understand them at the time, I >>was not very knowledgeable about electronics then, as I discover now :-/ >> >I found some photos and there is some f/2 output in some of them. The tests >were done about Oct. 15, 1997. I may have mixed up some in my memory other >tests at the same time with switched (CMOS 4066) bifilar coils and >parametric transformers :(. Yes I found a TEP circuit you sent me around that time. >>>> >>>>You mean because of the signal itself modulating the C? >>> >>>The circuit node between the drive capacitor and the varactors has no >>>defined bias voltage. So the signal voltage at the varactors is >>>???(min/max). (maybe clamped by their being foward biased during part of >>>the cycle.) >> >>Ok I think I follow. I wish I had your tests here so I could see how you got >>around that. > >Simple, have another much larger cap in series with the varactor cap so a >DC bias could be applied. Otherwise, the coil keeps both sides at the same >DC voltage. All right, I get it finally. With no bias, the waveforms look pretty chaotic. Jean-louis didn't have that, but he got perfect waveforms--? Since you want >a reverse bias, you could also use just another resistor wired and used >just as a "grid leak" for vacuum tube/valve circuits. I'm looking for a pic of a tube setup in my old electronics textbooks. Wouldn't this defeat the pupose of trying to keep the load of the square wave generator as low as possible? >>> >>I can only guess that the large C variation makes it so nonlinear that F >>output can occur, normally it is not easy to get. Jean-louis sometimes works >>magic that only he can explain :-) > >That sounds a little backward? Don't you want as much nonconstant C behavior >as possible to get any output other than "F"? Yes that is what I can't figure out, the more C variation the easlier it should be to get oscillation at F and all harmonics. Or are you making a distinction >between linear C changes with applied voltage and higher order variations? No, I'm guessing :-) >>> >>>>2) What was the POWER input of your negative bias based on your tests? >>> >>>Very small, that of a reverse biased silicon diode. I could not measure the >>>current through a 100k bias resistor. >> >>And that is why it is an interesting area to look into. > >I would guess any output is coming from the "pump" You mean the tank circuit? I would call the varying bias the pump. not bias as that is what >is changing the C. If you use the "grid leak" technique, the pump supplies >the bias as well, of course using more power. >>> >>>>3) A square wave is more effective at driving parametrics than sine, this >>>>may be why it was hard to get the 2F going. >>> >>>Yes. some power varactor circuits have 3F output with sine wave input, >>>using a 2F "idler" tank circuit. >> >>huh, I would like to see the refs on that, haven't heard of that. In >>microwaves I assume? > >And lower frequencies too. Look in 1960's radio amateur radio handbooks for >triplers from 144MHz to 432MHz. I assume it is also in H. and Hill. OK, I get it. > >>| No, Stuart Rae was going to do it with the varactor I picked out as best, >>a >>| BB212 with > 20:1 capacitance ratio, but I don't recall him every giving >>any >>| results. Did you ever do that test, Stuart? > >The 22pF ones I used were spec'ed at -4 Volts. If -1 volt is used like in >the spec for larger capacitance varactors, the variation would be much >larger (using C~1/V). It took me a while to figure that one out. You mean the 22 pf ones had a C variation of 1 pF/4 V, and another C had a variation of 1 pF/1 V. It loooked like for a while you were saying a smaller V would have a larger C variation. >> >>Yes, the Ferdinand Cap "Parametric Electric Machine" > >Is there an electrostatic drag force on the rotating capacitor and this is >where the output power comes from? >> >>http://www.patents.ibm.com/details?pn=US04622510__ >> No this is where the loading comes from. If it didnt have that drag force it would be OU. Damn, Dave, you really work my brain with your messages. And I still doubt I understood it. You talk in electronics shorthand :-) Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 6 10:18:53 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA19077; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 10:18:47 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 10:18:47 -0700 X-Fidalgo-Track-MAIL-A: pm3-3-dyn23.skagit.fidalgo.net [209.191.182.86] X-Fidalgo-Track-MAIL-B: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 10:18:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <009101bf101e$189bf300$56b6bfd1@w7o9k8> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: Searl and Poynting Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 09:48:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"_c7DL2.0.-f4.sHu-t"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12423 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Colin Thanks for the ref, I've run it off to study it. Fred > >A short but very interesting analysis of a gravitoelectric field associated >with charge by Kedrick brown can be found at, > > >I'm wondering if Kedrick was aware of that patent. (?) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 6 12:44:25 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA07508; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 12:44:07 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 12:44:07 -0700 X-Fidalgo-Track-MAIL-A: pm3-2-dyn13.skagit.fidalgo.net [209.102.74.28] X-Fidalgo-Track-MAIL-B: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 12:44:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <001201bf1032$629367e0$1c4a66d1@w7o9k8> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: Fred's pin drop experiment Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 12:38:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"75SWB3.0.8r1.7Qw-t"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12424 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Rick, It's not my idea, it is a file on Keelynet which I have now lost track of-- that site is enormous. > >Regarding dropping a pin on the pole of a magnet... > >Sounds to me like a simple homopolar motor. Feynman's lecture? No, I don't think so. A friend did some tests with this. 1) It only worked with ferrous materials. It didn't work with copper, only steel. 2) it worked even if the clip or needle was held between fingers until it was just over the magnet and then slowly released. 3) there was no preferred direction of turning. In either direction it would twist up the thread until it couldn't spin any more, meaning it had some torque. 1) indicates it is not an inductive effect caused by the lowering process setting up eddy currents. 2) Indicates it is not energy being fed into it through hand movements. 3) is hard to figure. If you accept the vortical nature of magnetism then there should be a preferred direction. All in all, this is a pretty interesting little experiment. It might be a lot more important than it looks. Try it out and see if you can get the effect too. Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 6 12:46:43 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA09803; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 12:46:41 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 12:46:41 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.16.19991006101010.1e5f9646@earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (16) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 10:10:10 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: Varactor circuits, was Barium Titanate to Solar Energy In-Reply-To: <001e01bf1019$48d4ddc0$56b6bfd1@w7o9k8> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"K1zjG1.0.4P2.XSw-t"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12425 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Fred and all, Sorry to have been confusing to you. At 09:38 AM 10/6/99 -0700, you wrote: >>Simple, have another much larger cap in series with the varactor cap so a >>DC bias could be applied. Otherwise, the coil keeps both sides at the same >>DC voltage. > >All right, I get it finally. > > With no bias, the waveforms look pretty chaotic. > >Jean-louis didn't have that, but he got perfect waveforms--? Yes, don't know either how he got his waveforms.... > > Since you want >>a reverse bias, you could also use just another resistor wired and used >>just as a "grid leak" for vacuum tube/valve circuits. > >I'm looking for a pic of a tube setup in my old electronics textbooks. >Wouldn't this defeat the pupose of trying to keep the load of the square >wave generator as low as possible? Yes, it would require more power. It's still OK to show the output waveforms or circuit operation. > >>>> >>>I can only guess that the large C variation makes it so nonlinear that F >>>output can occur, normally it is not easy to get. Jean-louis sometimes >works >>>magic that only he can explain :-) >> >>That sounds a little backward? Don't you want as much nonconstant C >behavior >>as possible to get any output other than "F"? > >Yes that is what I can't figure out, the more C variation the easlier it >should be to get oscillation at F and all harmonics. If C were constant (the varactors changed to a mica cap, for example), the only output would be F, or at least the fundamental = F filtered from the square wave pump coupled into the tank. > >Or are you making a distinction >>between linear C changes with applied voltage and higher order variations? > >No, I'm guessing :-) Yes those Matheau equations are not easy. In addition to the varying C, the rotating cap patent US 4622510, used a non constant L as a function of current making it more complicated, and found a particular "sine wave" solution! >>>> >>>>>2) What was the POWER input of your negative bias based on your tests? >>>> >>>>Very small, that of a reverse biased silicon diode. I could not measure >the >>>>current through a 100k bias resistor. >>> >>>And that is why it is an interesting area to look into. >> >>I would guess any output is coming from the "pump" > >You mean the tank circuit? I would call the varying bias the pump. Yes. I mean the tank output is coming from the pump input. I think we agree on what we are saying. > >>The 22pF ones I used were spec'ed at -4 Volts. If -1 volt is used like in >>the spec for larger capacitance varactors, the variation would be much >>larger (using C~1/V). > >It took me a while to figure that one out. You mean the 22 pf ones had a C >variation of 1 pF/4 V, and another C had a variation of 1 pF/1 V. It >loooked like for a while you were saying a smaller V would have a larger C >variation. > I mean that both the C and delta C are larger at smaller bias voltages. For example, if the 22pF units have a 3:1 capacitance change from -4 volts to -20 volts, the variation might be 12:1 with a bias from -1 volts to -20 volts, and the C might approach 100pF at -1 Volts. At zero volts there would be still be some junction depletion, so I quess the C still wouldn't be undefined. -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 6 13:21:03 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA29822; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 13:20:59 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 13:20:59 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.16.19991006130709.22ff4722@earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (16) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 13:07:09 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: Fred's pin drop experiment In-Reply-To: <001201bf1032$629367e0$1c4a66d1@w7o9k8> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"44DVx1.0.tH7.gyw-t"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12426 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Fred and all, At 12:38 PM 10/6/99 -0700, you wrote: >>Regarding dropping a pin on the pole of a magnet... >> >>Sounds to me like a simple homopolar motor. Feynman's lecture? > >No, I don't think so. A friend did some tests with this. > >1) It only worked with ferrous materials. It didn't work with copper, only >steel. >2) it worked even if the clip or needle was held between fingers until it >was just over the magnet and then slowly released. >3) there was no preferred direction of turning. In either direction it would >twist up the thread until it couldn't spin any more, meaning it had some ^^^^^^ If this is the one with the needle hanging from a thread, it was debunked shortly after it was announced. The thread was woven and pulling on it caused a twist. A monofilament thread did not twist. Note this doesn't agree with the "no preferred direction" of this statement 3). >All in all, this is a pretty interesting little experiment. It might be a >lot more important than it looks. Try it out and see if you can get the >effect too. > -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 6 13:25:22 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA00809; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 13:25:21 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 13:25:21 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 10:25:14 -1000 Subject: Re: Fred's pin drop experiment From: "Rick Monteverde" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <199910061625161.SM00354@[192.168.0.2]> Resent-Message-ID: <"Rxd7F1.0.YC.m0x-t"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12427 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Fred - Ok I tried it, and it's obvious to me it's the thread unwinding. Has to be tried too with untwisted thread, and I'll try that later. But the winding that occurs unwinds itself as soon as the pull on the pin is relieved when it touches down on the magnet surface and the stress on the thread relaxes. It relates to the orientation of the thread as expected. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI > Hi Rick, > > It's not my idea, it is a file on Keelynet which I have now lost track of-- > that site is enormous. >> >>Regarding dropping a pin on the pole of a magnet... >> >>Sounds to me like a simple homopolar motor. Feynman's lecture? > > No, I don't think so. A friend did some tests with this. > > 1) It only worked with ferrous materials. It didn't work with copper, only > steel. > 2) it worked even if the clip or needle was held between fingers until it > was just over the magnet and then slowly released. > 3) there was no preferred direction of turning. In either direction it would > twist up the thread until it couldn't spin any more, meaning it had some > torque. > > 1) indicates it is not an inductive effect caused by the lowering process > setting up eddy currents. > 2) Indicates it is not energy being fed into it through hand movements. > 3) is hard to figure. If you accept the vortical nature of magnetism then > there should be a preferred direction. > > All in all, this is a pretty interesting little experiment. It might be a > lot more important than it looks. Try it out and see if you can get the > effect too. > > Fred > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 6 14:07:43 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA01477; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 14:07:33 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 14:07:33 -0700 MR-Received: by mta EUROPA; Relayed; Wed, 06 Oct 1999 17:02:32 -0400 (EDT) MR-Received: by mta GOSIP; Relayed; Wed, 06 Oct 1999 17:06:47 -0400 (EDT) Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 16:23:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Briggs 614-752-0199 Subject: Re: Fred's pin drop experiment In-reply-to: <001201bf1032$629367e0$1c4a66d1@w7o9k8> To: freenrg-l Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 17:02:00 -0400 (EDT) Importance: normal Priority: normal UA-content-id: E2249ZYDEOCQEM X400-MTS-identifier: [;23207160019991/4161088@ODNVMS] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 2 Resent-Message-ID: <"3dnQa2.0.vM.Lex-t"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12428 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Fred, This sounds real interesting, I'm going to give it a try when I get home tonight. The only good magnets I have are some odd shaped Neo's that came out of some old disk drives. I was wondering if the direction of spin may be affected by Corialis force, but your item 3 seems to preclude that. Question, are you sure the pin is exactly vertical and not being held at a slight angle by the knot in the thread? I was thinking you might be getting some torsional imbalance between the magnetic pull down, and the knot twisting to the side. Also, I was wondering if you could be getting some kind of effect from the length of the pin cutting multiple layers of lay lines at different strengths. With any induced current being shorted evenly the length of the pin. Maybe it's a form of hystoresis with the inducted current at the end of the pin closest to the magnet, interacting with the weaker field at the other end of the pin? Maybe we could make some kind of segmented pin that alternates from being conducting & non-conducting to check this. I want to check to see if torque varies with: 1) Strength of magnet 2) Mass of "pin", try it with a finishing nail, then a 10 penny nail. Next I want to put it on a swivel. Then I'll attach a nonmetallic propeller to the "pin". If it still spins, I'll resurrect one of my older computers and set it up to do data logging off of some kind of tach I can rig up, and let it run for a couple of months. Hey, this is basic kitchen table science that anyone can do. If you can find the Keelynet reference it would be appreciated. Bill webriggs@concentric.net briggs@XLNsystems.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 6 14:43:52 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA00592; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 14:43:48 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 14:43:48 -0700 Message-Id: <199910062139.HAA21447@turbo.turboweb.net.au> X-Mailer: Eudora Pro 1.1 for Newton Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 13:56:00 +1000 To: From: Allan Alderson Subject: Off Topic: Microphone. Resent-Message-ID: <"xUXlM1.0.39.KAy-t"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12429 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I am building a directional microphone from a large parabolic mirrored reflector. Can anyone tell me if the optic focal point corresponds to the audio focal point? Are they the same "identical" point? - Allan. ---- ---- ---- ---- If replying, send your 'text-only' message to: adsaa@turboweb.net.au From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 6 17:15:07 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA21094; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 17:14:57 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 17:14:57 -0700 X-Fidalgo-Track-MAIL-A: pm3-6-dyn14.skagit.fidalgo.net [209.102.74.125] X-Fidalgo-Track-MAIL-B: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 17:14:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <027f01bf1058$364ac720$7d4a66d1@w7o9k8> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: Fred's pin drop experiment Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 16:12:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"4d7Qr2.0.F95.0O--t"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12430 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Dave, > ^^^^^^ >If this is the one with the needle hanging from a thread, it was debunked >shortly after it was announced. The thread was woven and pulling on it >caused a twist. >A monofilament thread did not twist. Note this doesn't agree with the "no >preferred direction" of this statement 3). I'll check with him and ask him what sort of thread he used. We discussed this possibility at the time and it is unlikely he would use something that would develop a twist, but I'll make sure. I'm going to try it myself as soon as I find this little stack of ferrite magnets I have around here... > Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 6 17:15:08 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA21112; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 17:14:58 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 17:14:58 -0700 X-Fidalgo-Track-MAIL-A: pm3-6-dyn14.skagit.fidalgo.net [209.102.74.125] X-Fidalgo-Track-MAIL-B: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 17:14:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <028001bf1058$36d8af40$7d4a66d1@w7o9k8> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: Fred's pin drop experiment Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 16:14:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"S9GWL.0.W95.1O--t"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12431 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Rick, OK, pretty much what Dave said, and it makes sense. But the guy who did this is not likely to make that mistake so I'll check with him to make sure. And do it myself. Fred > >Ok I tried it, and it's obvious to me it's the thread unwinding. Has to be >tried too with untwisted thread, and I'll try that later. But the winding >that occurs unwinds itself as soon as the pull on the pin is relieved when >it touches down on the magnet surface and the stress on the thread relaxes. >It relates to the orientation of the thread as expected. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 6 17:15:07 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA21163; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 17:14:59 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 17:14:59 -0700 X-Fidalgo-Track-MAIL-A: pm3-6-dyn14.skagit.fidalgo.net [209.102.74.125] X-Fidalgo-Track-MAIL-B: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 17:14:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <028201bf1058$38318880$7d4a66d1@w7o9k8> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: Fred's pin drop experiment Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 16:26:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"3uBC03.0.OA5.2O--t"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12432 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Bill, Be sure to take into account what Dave and Rick just said, and use untwisted or monofilament thread. I think the fact that he only saw it in magnetic materials indicates it is a result of pulling from the magnet. I thought the whole thing was interesting in the context of a gadget that Burl Payne made, he put small magnets on a circular wire farme (oriented around the frame) and suspended it horizontally by wires over a person's head. It rotated. > >This sounds real interesting, I'm going to give it a try when I get home >tonight. The only good magnets I have are some odd shaped Neo's that came >out of some old disk drives. > >I was wondering if the direction of spin may be affected by Corialis force, >but your item 3 seems to preclude that. > >Question, are you sure the pin is exactly vertical and not being held at a >slight angle by the knot in the thread? I was thinking you might be >getting some torsional imbalance between the magnetic pull down, and the >knot twisting to the side. I can't answer that at this point. > >Also, I was wondering if you could be getting some kind of effect from the >length of the pin cutting multiple layers of lay lines at different >strengths. With any induced current being shorted evenly the length of the >pin. Maybe it's a form of hystoresis with the inducted current at the end >of the pin closest to the magnet, interacting with the weaker field at the >other end of the pin? Maybe we could make some kind of segmented pin that >alternates from being conducting & non-conducting to check this. If it occured equally in copper or steel, I would say it is an eddy current formed in the pin as it dropped that operates as a motor force. But its a little harder to see that in a paper clip and it wouldn't be any different in copper or steel... and my friend told me it happened even when the pin was not allowed to move toward the magnet first.. > >I want to check to see if torque varies with: >1) Strength of magnet >2) Mass of "pin", try it with a finishing nail, then a 10 penny nail. > >Next I want to put it on a swivel. > >Then I'll attach a nonmetallic propeller to the "pin". > >If it still spins, I'll resurrect one of my older computers and set it up >to do data logging off of some kind of tach I can rig up, and let it run >for a couple of months. > >Hey, this is basic kitchen table science that anyone can do. > >If you can find the Keelynet reference it would be appreciated. I'll try to find the original file next week when I get home. Have to head out to work soon... Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 6 17:36:32 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA31234; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 17:36:30 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 17:36:30 -0700 Message-ID: <37FBF8CD.5D0AC71E@harti.com> Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 02:35:09 +0100 From: Stefan Hartmann Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Newman-L Mailing List , Free Energy Subject: Newman showing driving a real load ? Re: FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE (October 6, 1999) X-Priority: 2 (High) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Dphwk3.0.wd7.Ei--t"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12433 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Evan, will Newman finally show running a real mechanical load like a generator connected to a few heating elements or something like this , showing real KWatts output ? Or will this just be another FL bulb RF-power output demo (in the 1 to 50 Watts) range with no real (Kwatts) mechanical load ? All the RF power might be nice to light and flicker a few FL tubes, but in a production motor this would pollute all your neighborhood with all this RF radiation, as yourself posted a few days ago with your "suspicious antenna car" driving around the neighborhood and all the alarm systems went on and off... Brian Synder reported, when he did run his Newman type "spark gap buzzer", that all car port doors opened and shut again for several times in his neighborhood... You see, with a "PRODUCTION MOTOR" as it is labeled, this RF power is more likely wished to be reduced, although I think, as it all depends on the spark gap effect, it will never be easy to reduce this to NOT pollute the environment with lots of RF, if you not going to shield it extremely... Regards, Stefan. Evan Soule schrieb: > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > > THE ENERGY MACHINE OF JOSEPH NEWMAN > 11445 East Via Linda, No. 416 > Scottsdale, Arizona 85259 > (480) 657-3722 > josephnewman@earthlink.net > www.josephnewman.com > > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE (October 6, 1999) > > The production facility for Joseph Newman Energy Machine > is scheduled to open a public display area during the > second week of November, 1999 in the Phoenix, Arizona area. > > People are invited to visit the facility and see a > production model that is far in excess of 100% (production) > efficiency and that will be capable of providing power to > homes, businesses, farms, automobiles, trucks, ships, and > ultimately space vehicles that will enable the world to > engage in realistic space travel. > > See the Reciprocating Newman Motor light numerous fluores- > cent bulbs in series and the R.F. Amp Meter proves that > more power is going back into the batteries than the > batteries are capable of delivering. > > While the Newman Motor operates, see a fluorescent bulb > placed ABOVE the D.C. battery pack wherein the bulb will > become physically illuminated with NO WIRES attached to the > bulb! And the bulb will FAIL to light when the Newman Motor > is NOT running! > > This TRUTHFUL revolutionary technology represents POWER TO > THE PEOPLE! > -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. In. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 6 17:49:06 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA04708; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 17:49:01 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 17:49:01 -0700 Message-ID: <37FBED89.72190253@ihug.co.nz> Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 13:47:06 +1300 From: John Berry X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Fred's pin drop experiment References: <028201bf1058$38318880$7d4a66d1@w7o9k8> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"j9hHT3.0.O91.yt--t"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12434 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: That sounds very interesting, Anyone know how I could get more details on the device Burl Payne device? Thanks... Fred Epps wrote: > Hi Bill, > > Be sure to take into account what Dave and Rick just said, and use untwisted > or monofilament thread. I think the fact that he only saw it in magnetic > materials indicates it is a result of pulling from the magnet. > > I thought the whole thing was interesting in the context of a gadget that > Burl Payne made, he put small magnets on a circular wire farme (oriented > around the frame) and suspended it horizontally by wires over a person's > head. It rotated. > > > >This sounds real interesting, I'm going to give it a try when I get home > >tonight. The only good magnets I have are some odd shaped Neo's that came > >out of some old disk drives. > > > >I was wondering if the direction of spin may be affected by Corialis force, > >but your item 3 seems to preclude that. > > > >Question, are you sure the pin is exactly vertical and not being held at a > >slight angle by the knot in the thread? I was thinking you might be > >getting some torsional imbalance between the magnetic pull down, and the > >knot twisting to the side. > > I can't answer that at this point. > > > >Also, I was wondering if you could be getting some kind of effect from the > >length of the pin cutting multiple layers of lay lines at different > >strengths. With any induced current being shorted evenly the length of the > >pin. Maybe it's a form of hystoresis with the inducted current at the end > >of the pin closest to the magnet, interacting with the weaker field at the > >other end of the pin? Maybe we could make some kind of segmented pin that > >alternates from being conducting & non-conducting to check this. > > If it occured equally in copper or steel, I would say it is an eddy current > formed in the pin as it dropped that operates as a motor force. But its a > little harder to see that in a paper clip and it wouldn't be any different > in copper or steel... and my friend told me it happened even when the pin > was not allowed to move toward the magnet first.. > > > >I want to check to see if torque varies with: > >1) Strength of magnet > >2) Mass of "pin", try it with a finishing nail, then a 10 penny nail. > > > >Next I want to put it on a swivel. > > > >Then I'll attach a nonmetallic propeller to the "pin". > > > >If it still spins, I'll resurrect one of my older computers and set it up > >to do data logging off of some kind of tach I can rig up, and let it run > >for a couple of months. > > > >Hey, this is basic kitchen table science that anyone can do. > > > >If you can find the Keelynet reference it would be appreciated. > > I'll try to find the original file next week when I get home. Have to head > out to work soon... > > Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 6 20:25:52 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA02737; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 20:25:47 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 20:25:47 -0700 Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 22:25:44 -0500 (CDT) From: Zack Widup Subject: Re: Newman showing driving a real load ? Re: FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE (October 6, 1999) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: <37FBF8CD.5D0AC71E@harti.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"DirzO2.0.gg.wA1_t"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12435 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Thu, 7 Oct 1999, Stefan Hartmann wrote: > Hi Evan, [snip] > > You see, with a "PRODUCTION MOTOR" as it is labeled, this RF power is > more likely > wished to be reduced, although I think, as it all depends on the spark > gap effect, > it will never be easy to reduce this to NOT pollute the environment with > lots of RF, > if you not going to shield it extremely... > > Regards, Stefan. > > > Evan Soule schrieb: > > > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > > > > THE ENERGY MACHINE OF JOSEPH NEWMAN > > 11445 East Via Linda, No. 416 > > Scottsdale, Arizona 85259 > > (480) 657-3722 > > josephnewman@earthlink.net > > www.josephnewman.com > > > > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE (October 6, 1999) > > [snip] > > > > See the Reciprocating Newman Motor light numerous fluores- > > cent bulbs in series and the R.F. Amp Meter proves that > > more power is going back into the batteries than the > > batteries are capable of delivering. > > > > While the Newman Motor operates, see a fluorescent bulb > > placed ABOVE the D.C. battery pack wherein the bulb will > > become physically illuminated with NO WIRES attached to the > > bulb! And the bulb will FAIL to light when the Newman Motor > > is NOT running! > > > > This TRUTHFUL revolutionary technology represents POWER TO > > THE PEOPLE! > > > Oh, great! All we need is more RF pollution! Just when I'm trying to establish ham radio contact with a weak station in Nepal, half the spectrum gets wiped out... And you thought the Russian Woodpecker was bad ... Zack From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 6 22:09:14 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA05008; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 22:09:02 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 22:09:02 -0700 Message-ID: <19991007051438.218.rocketmail@web804.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 22:14:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Fred Epps Subject: Re: Fred's pin drop experiment To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"Zprsl2.0.8E1.jh2_t"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12436 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi John, I can send you few scanned pages from his book when I get home next weekend. write me and remind me. Fred --- John Berry wrote: > That sounds very interesting, Anyone know how I > could get more details on the > device Burl Payne device? > > Thanks... > > Fred Epps wrote: > > > Hi Bill, > > > > Be sure to take into account what Dave and Rick > just said, and use untwisted > > or monofilament thread. I think the fact that he > only saw it in magnetic > > materials indicates it is a result of pulling from > the magnet. > > > > I thought the whole thing was interesting in the > context of a gadget that > > Burl Payne made, he put small magnets on a > circular wire farme (oriented > > around the frame) and suspended it horizontally by > wires over a person's > > head. It rotated. > > > > > >This sounds real interesting, I'm going to give > it a try when I get home > > >tonight. The only good magnets I have are some > odd shaped Neo's that came > > >out of some old disk drives. > > > > > >I was wondering if the direction of spin may be > affected by Corialis force, > > >but your item 3 seems to preclude that. > > > > > >Question, are you sure the pin is exactly > vertical and not being held at a > > >slight angle by the knot in the thread? I was > thinking you might be > > >getting some torsional imbalance between the > magnetic pull down, and the > > >knot twisting to the side. > > > > I can't answer that at this point. > > > > > >Also, I was wondering if you could be getting > some kind of effect from the > > >length of the pin cutting multiple layers of lay > lines at different > > >strengths. With any induced current being > shorted evenly the length of the > > >pin. Maybe it's a form of hystoresis with the > inducted current at the end > > >of the pin closest to the magnet, interacting > with the weaker field at the > > >other end of the pin? Maybe we could make some > kind of segmented pin that > > >alternates from being conducting & non-conducting > to check this. > > > > If it occured equally in copper or steel, I would > say it is an eddy current > > formed in the pin as it dropped that operates as a > motor force. But its a > > little harder to see that in a paper clip and it > wouldn't be any different > > in copper or steel... and my friend told me it > happened even when the pin > > was not allowed to move toward the magnet first.. > > > > > >I want to check to see if torque varies with: > > >1) Strength of magnet > > >2) Mass of "pin", try it with a finishing nail, > then a 10 penny nail. > > > > > >Next I want to put it on a swivel. > > > > > >Then I'll attach a nonmetallic propeller to the > "pin". > > > > > >If it still spins, I'll resurrect one of my older > computers and set it up > > >to do data logging off of some kind of tach I can > rig up, and let it run > > >for a couple of months. > > > > > >Hey, this is basic kitchen table science that > anyone can do. > > > > > >If you can find the Keelynet reference it would > be appreciated. > > > > I'll try to find the original file next week when > I get home. Have to head > > out to work soon... > > > > Fred > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 6 22:13:15 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA06344; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 22:13:14 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 22:13:14 -0700 Message-ID: <37FC39B4.CEA914EF@mail.admiral.ru> Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 09:12:04 +0300 From: "Alexander V. Frolov" Reply-To: frolov@mail.admiral.ru Organization: Home Lab X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "frolov@mail.admiral.ru" CC: "freenrg-l@eskimo.com" Subject: T-capacitor for electrogravitics Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------61D2216DB32EAD80E93ECCA7" Resent-Message-ID: <"TmSMs1.0.1Z1.fl2_t"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12437 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------61D2216DB32EAD80E93ECCA7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, Please, look at the photo of my experiments. I try to find job in research lab, where is a similar topic and some possibility for dissertation. Best regards, Alexander V. Frolov -- http://www.time-machine.spb.ru ICQ 43757451 --------------61D2216DB32EAD80E93ECCA7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1; name="electrogravitics.htm" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline; filename="electrogravitics.htm" electrogravitics
Electrogravitics

Some images are presented here to demonstrate this technology is not something complex but in general the ideas are very simple.
 T-capacitor
    The idea is to create two forces between electr= ically charged plates to work in the same direction.
It is original Alexander V. Frolov's idea:


T-capacitor on weight-machine


Red and grey wires from high voltage source are connected to T-capaci= tor by means of thin wires.



Now the voltage is on, the force is acting and capacitor weight is changing.

You can download MPEG short file a= bout other experiment and order CD. Sure, technological= details will take several years to get commercially available project but= it is the question of financial power only. There are many informa= tion on the topic, for example well-known  patents by T.T.Brown but main technological methods can be described in sever= al words: it is asymmetry in electric charged surface, asymmetry (= gradient) in properties of dielectrics or in its topology. I developed the idea in some papers to prove single terminal (= electrically charged body) can be used as drive if it is creating asymmetrical (gradie= ntal) electrical field around itself.
When people think about the idea there is a problem to understand whe= re is the "second plate" of this capacitor. If you know N.Tesla's work, ther= e is no such sort question. But in general the answer is difference between= single terminal and "potential on infinity distance" that is equal to zer= o. So, second plate is not necessary and simple hemisphere will produce some= trust if it is electrically charged. There are special methods to increas= e the effect and this technology can be made for low voltage also, for exam= ple for 1000V instead of 50 kV T.T.Brown and others used.


Sure, in my home laboratory there are no "flying saucers" but some force can be detected easy.


In this version of experiment a plastic disk was used as a base for two electrodes: flat aluminium foil (right side on photo) and cylindrical= copper electrode (left side). There is only one wire that is connected to high voltage source of 3 KV. Force direction here is from right to lef= t.

Rotation in this case is produced by asymmetry of electric potenti= al field structure in dielectric area between cylinder and flat plate. You can see this experiment on CD

 Back to main page --------------61D2216DB32EAD80E93ECCA7-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 7 03:39:12 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id DAA08257; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 03:36:08 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 03:36:08 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 00:35:35 -1000 Subject: Re: T-capacitor for electrogravitics From: "Rick Monteverde" To: freenrg Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <199910070635364.SM00354@[192.168.0.2]> Resent-Message-ID: <"rF9yX.0.s02.OU7_t"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12438 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: In case anyone was wondering, here's the URL for the page just posted: http://www.time-machine.spb.ru/electrogravitics.htm - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI ------------------------------------------------------- > Hello, > > Please, look at the photo of my experiments. I try to find job in > research lab, where is a similar topic and some possibility for > dissertation. > > Best regards, > > Alexander V. Frolov > > > -- > http://www.time-machine.spb.ru > ICQ 43757451 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 7 08:29:49 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id IAA31146; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 08:29:35 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 08:29:35 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19991007113336.01211420@inforamp.net> X-Sender: quinney@inforamp.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 11:33:36 -0700 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Colin Quinney Subject: Re: T-capacitor for electrogravitics In-Reply-To: <199910070635364.SM00354@[192.168.0.2]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"hDorv3.0.Zc7.VnB_t"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12439 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Thanks Alex. (& Thanks Rick. ) Fascinating! I suspect that the force is dependant on the dielectric constant-- is that correct? What is the voltage used? Does it work with a longer balance arm? Best, Colin Quinney At 12:35 AM 10/07/99 -1000, you wrote: >In case anyone was wondering, here's the URL for the page just posted: > >http://www.time-machine.spb.ru/electrogravitics.htm > > > >- Rick Monteverde >Honolulu, HI >------------------------------------------------------- >> Hello, >> >> Please, look at the photo of my experiments. I try to find job in >> research lab, where is a similar topic and some possibility for >> dissertation. >> >> Best regards, >> >> Alexander V. Frolov >> >> >> -- >> http://www.time-machine.spb.ru >> ICQ 43757451 > > > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 7 13:21:05 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA30981; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 13:20:41 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 13:20:41 -0700 Message-ID: <37FD0B13.F3F1AA30@mail.admiral.ru> Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 00:05:23 +0300 From: "Alexander V. Frolov" Reply-To: a2509@yahoo.com, frolov@mail.admiral.ru Organization: Home Lab X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: T-capacitor for electrogravitics References: <3.0.5.32.19991007113336.01211420@inforamp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"FJTwN1.0.zZ7.O2G_t"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12440 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Colin Quinney wrote: > I suspect that the force is dependant on the dielectric constant-- is that > correct? Yes, since the force is depend of asymmetry: one side of plates are in direct contact with air (or with vacuum, or with Ether) and other side of the plates is in direct contact with dielectric. So, the is the asymmetry of forces. > What is the voltage used? I built first version for 3kV, now the generator for 50kV is ready for tests. > Does it work with a longer balance arm? ? I tested some devices by means of rotation force detection, look MPEG file http://www.time-machine.spb.ru/cd.htm Best regards, Alexander -- http://www.time-machine.spb.ru POB 37, 193024, St.-Petersburg, Russia 7-812-2747877 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 8 11:41:39 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA15180; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 11:41:13 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 11:41:13 -0700 From: HLafonte@aol.com Message-ID: <0.371f2289.252f94c6@aol.com> Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 14:41:10 EDT Subject: Incorporated 2 sections into one To: energy21@listbot.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 41 Resent-Message-ID: <"vo4Oc.0.3j3.9hZ_t"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12441 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi all, I have incorporated the attraction and repulsion sections into one unit to speed up and ease building time and cut down on number of parts. Thanks, Butch LaFonte See site update at: LaF onte Research site 1 or http://hometown.aol.com/hlafonte/index.html From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 8 23:15:44 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id XAA22401; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 23:15:34 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 23:15:34 -0700 From: "Harvey Norris" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Tesla Electric Co. Message-Id: <939449734.26142.78@excite.com> Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 23:15:34 PDT X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 207.205.186.247 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"4zu_i2.0.rT5.6sj_t"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12442 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: People ask, What do you sell? I ask them, is it permissable to sell an idea? Of course this was never good enough, people want to buy something they can hold their hands on. So be it. I was never a salesman, I hate being in large crowds of people, and in general I have never taken an occupation that has to deal with the public. Other people can do that kind of work. The Subject of this letter is of course, Dennis Lee. He likes to deal WITH THE PUBLIC AND POSSIBLY DEFRAUD THEM. This has been noted in his past history. The purpose of this defacto government in USA is TO DO EXACTLY THE SAME THING. Now I could jump to some entirely unfounded conclusions here, which I will not do. I will not make such a rediculous statement. I will not say that Lee is an agent of the government, or even on the CIA payroll. This is not a list for conspiracy theories. Dennis Lee is a politician, not a scientist. As long as this corrupt government wages its war against all freedoms, he will be allowed to decieve the public with his grandiose claims of free energy. After he has done this job he will be given a little vacation off of this earth, but the rest of us will be told of his imprisonment. The government gets the job done well. They pay people to do this work. They are paid for their relative worth. It just takes a little longer to make it legal. So lets not be unkind to Dennis Lee, and if he has anything of any quality of worth to say before his eventual demise, let him be heard. Some one sent me the article of his national tour, including Akron, Ohio. This is not far from me. But I did not attend. It would cost too much to learn what is already known. He has nothing to say beyond his own distortion of science expressed in the Better World Technology VHS tapes that also can only be obtained in the context of a loan, in which money is refunded. While this may be true, I simply viewed the tape from someone more gullible than myself that had obtained this expensive loan, although I did inquire about it myself. Scientists and Businessmen live in entirely separate worlds, but what makes them both culprits is the fact of desire for profit margin. But it has been said somewhat truly by one who knows, what if you gain the whole world, and then loose your soul. And who can hide a candle under a bush, without itself being consumed? Discovery is of that nature. The name Tesla Electric Co was registered with the government over 5 years ago by myself, and I was issued an employer identification no, as is standard in all business. The reason I chose this name was because I was doing what tesla did, to promote a new prognosis of electrical generation based on a totally new idea, that of four phases instead of three in alternating currents. It takes years to prove an idea, but in this conception I was sure it would bear fruit. I do not believe in paying the government for a patent, which is nothing more than a liscence to steal. The government is the utmost repressor of all human freedoms, disguised in a devilish guarantee of those freedoms. I therefore would ask the government, Did they also issue Dennis Lee an identical employer identification no they issued to me? Perhaps Dennis Lee has not submitted the proper legal forms for the legal use of this name. Or perhaps this is a strategy to discredit anyone with the same business name. Sincerly Speculating: Harvey D Norris ________________________________________________________________ Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 9 00:00:45 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id AAA01709; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 00:00:42 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 00:00:42 -0700 From: "Harvey Norris" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Grounding Message-Id: <939452429.3032.555@excite.com> Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 00:00:29 PDT X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 207.205.186.247 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"OkGw21.0.cQ.PWk_t"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12443 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I once thought that metal poles were necessary for good grounding. However in Neon bulb demonstrations where the earth is used as the connection for complete circuit the bulb lights merely by touching the soil at its terminal connection. I am getting ready for Halloween by decorating the tree outside the front door with 5 neon bulbs attached to the limbs of the outside cherry tree. I also noticed that florescents give a steady rate of light without blinking, while neons are always blinking when connected to ground. Stefan Hartman noted that this is a simple oscillatory circuit but I am wondering whether this is true. I can make the neon function at a contant rate similar to a neon sign transformer, but I use large inductance coils to accomplish the same thing, and when connected to ground they blink. Just wondering if anyone out there has made neon conduction to ground experiments? HDN ________________________________________________________________ Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 9 02:00:39 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id CAA17657; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 02:00:34 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 02:00:34 -0700 From: "Harvey Norris" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Electrocution Message-Id: <939459632.10948.100@excite.com> Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 02:00:32 PDT X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 207.205.186.38 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"Wbq1V1.0.bJ4.nGm_t"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12444 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I hope that I never make mistakes like this on large amperage experiments, because I may never live to tell about it! I was showing some friends this blinking neon bulb principle and how safe it was. Many years ago I was able to demonstrate how I could use conduction of high frequency electricity through a human body as an unusual demonstration. Nevertheless to say I would have no volunteers or guineau pigs. I would show them myself by sticking my finger in a water bath of several inches exposed to 12,000 volts voltage potential by BRS method, of very small amperage. On the other hand I held a neon bulb by the end electrode that would dimly light. I would then ask a volunteer to merely touch the glass and not the other end electrode of the bulb being lit. Once they had done this they would be surprised by the bulb increasing in intensity, and experience the pleasant sensation of high frequency. I would then try to coax them into actually touching the other end electrode to light the bulb between us in further illumination. I quickly discovered this effect to be true, but the end electrode person always became alarmed at the initial shock of touching the wire, and quickly pulled away, which would then give me a bit of unnecessary shock. So I began to explain what the sensation would be and to coach them to just grab and not let go, the shock was only momentary to them, and if they just held on they could handle it easily for a more direct sensation. In these kind of experiments I noticed that people of sound mind had a high electrical resistance in their nervous systems, while that of semi disfunctional neurotics had little resistance, and the bulb served as an indicator of this conductivity. Amazingly a train of individuals could serve as this end electrode, the next connection simple being made by touching the nearest exposed person on the shoulder or any convenient body part. In a train of three people a neurotic once touched the end person,felt a shock and quickly removed his touch, creating a unusually high shock among all of us. This is unusual for the simple fact that an ordinary person will feel nothing upon touching another in this train condition. Having commented on the unusual circumstances here of past historical experiments, I felt quite confident to reproduce this again several years later, several weeks ago. The main person involved was complaining of back pain and I showed her how anyone can feel a high frequency current by touching the insulated wire, and once she had felt the glass on the bulb she began to move the glass along her back, exclaiming what a pleasant therapy this was. This was the blinking neon bulb to ground phenomenon, a little different from the old demonstration of using myself as an intermediate conductor. I told her she should actually touch the end electrode for a better effect, but she was scared. I said watch how harmless this is, and I grabbed the wire as usual to demonstrate. I said now touch the end electrode of the bulb I am holding< whereupon she goes, no way! I said look how harmless this is, and proceeded to touch the other end terminal to the aluminum siding of the house! DA!!! What a shocking experience! Even at high frequency that was a stupid thing to do! As it turns out the capacity of aluminum siding far surpasses that of a human being, and what I had accidently done phased me quite a bit. After a small period of recuperation I immediately went to the room where the coils make the high frequency, and turned it on again to see what the problem was. The high frequency is created by a small air gap between long copper bars, and in the BRS two high frequency arcs exist between two sets of bars, and by simply looking at the bars one can tell whether the high frequency is functioning well. This is due to characteristic violet discharges of extremely short duration indicating high frequency in this small air gap.(This is not a tesla coil machine with large air gaps) I noticed then that one side was malfunctioning as a short where the bars were too close of proximity in the air gap. This had exposed me to 60 hz shock, which is not a pleasant sensation at all. I hope this never happens again! How this mistake was made was that when the neon bulb blinks, I had taken this as an indicator that the system was in high frequency, where in fact this painful discovery showed me that the neon bulb blinks even at 60 hz function!!! There may be some kind of unusual self organizing of plasma to create this blinking, but the standard rule of blinking meaning high frequency is in effect failed here. But Boy it will make you scream and drop that bulb right now!! Thats the school of hard knocks. Sincerly Stupid in the name of Science; HDN ________________________________________________________________ Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 9 12:38:19 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA09080; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 12:37:40 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 12:37:40 -0700 From: HLafonte@aol.com Message-ID: <0.92995a17.2530f37c@aol.com> Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 15:37:32 EDT Subject: Stator being fabricated Monday To: energy21@listbot.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 41 Resent-Message-ID: <"YYHB61.0.nD2.3cv_t"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12445 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: To anyone following my project: I am having the 1/4" thick steel stator band formed at a steel fabricator Monday for the more simple design. I hope to have some pictures on my site soon of test model. Thanks, Butch For latest update see: LaFonte Research site 1 or http://hometown.aol.com/hlafonte/index.html From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 9 17:27:09 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA24712; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 17:26:55 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 17:26:55 -0700 X-Sender: steveberlin@pop.hotpop.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 2 (High) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Re: Electrocution Cc: tesla4@excite.com Message-Id: Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 02:26:50 +0200 Resent-Message-ID: <"CIqFH1.0.126.Erz_t"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12446 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >(This is not a tesla coil >machine with large air gaps) I noticed then that one side was malfunctioning >as a short where the bars were too close of proximity in the air gap. This >had exposed me to 60 hz shock, which is not a pleasant sensation at all. I >hope this never happens again! How this mistake was made was that when the >neon bulb blinks, I had taken this as an indicator that the system was in >high frequency, where in fact this painful discovery showed me that the neon >bulb blinks even at 60 hz function!!! >There may be some kind of unusual self organizing of plasma to create this >blinking, but the standard rule of blinking meaning high frequency is in >effect failed here. But Boy it will make you scream and drop that bulb right >now!! Thats the school of hard knocks. > >Sincerly Stupid in the name of Science; HDN > I got an electric shock 3 or 4 times from touching my Newman machine supply, once at almost 2000 Volts DC, where I flew from a chair as if someone knocked me off the chair and a few times with 620 Volts from a 10 uF charged Capacitor... Boy I can tell you, this is really now fun this high capacity DC ! You really through away all your stuff you just have in your hands... BTW, I bought the TDP CD File from the ATGROUP .... See their latest update and it will blow you away too ! Best regards, Stefan. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 9 17:29:11 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA25866; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 17:29:08 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 17:29:08 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <0.92995a17.2530f37c@aol.com> References: Conversation <0.92995a17.2530f37c@aol.com> with last message <0.92995a17.2530f37c@aol.com> Priority: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 To: "FreeEnergyList" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Garry Whitman" Subject: Re: Stator being fabricated Monday Date: Sat, 09 Oct 99 19:30:41 PDT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"evue62.0.3K6.Ktz_t"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12447 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Keep up the good work, butch. Am following your project with great interest. Garry ---------- > To anyone following my project: I am having the 1/4" thick steel stator band > formed at a steel fabricator Monday for the more simple design. I hope to > have some pictures on my site soon of test model. > Thanks, > Butch > For latest update see: > LaFonte Research site 1 or http://hometown.aol.com/hlafonte/index.html > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 9 17:34:29 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA28531; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 17:34:25 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 17:34:25 -0700 X-Sender: steveberlin@pop.hotpop.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 2 (High) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Re: Electrocution Cc: tesla4@excite.com Message-Id: Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 02:34:20 +0200 Resent-Message-ID: <"EXhES3.0.ez6.Hyz_t"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12448 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >> >>Sincerly Stupid in the name of Science; HDN >> > >I got an electric shock 3 or 4 times from touching my >Newman machine supply, >once at almost 2000 Volts DC, where I flew from a chair >as if someone knocked me off the chair >and a few times with 620 Volts from a 10 uF charged >Capacitor... >Boy I can tell you, >this is really now fun this high capacity DC ! Should have read: This is really _NOT_ fun this high capacity DC voltage ! You hear the angles sing... Be all very cautious guys, we want to have you arround also in the coming years, when we all have an "Eternal light" running in our living rooms ! :) > >You really through away all your stuff you just have in your hands... > >BTW, I bought the TDP CD File from the ATGROUP .... > >See their latest update and it will blow you away too ! > >Best regards, Stefan. > > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 9 19:25:12 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA24602; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 19:25:05 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 19:25:05 -0700 Message-ID: <37FFF888.19D46541@ihug.co.nz> Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 15:23:04 +1300 From: John Berry X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Electrocution References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"bZVu21.0.J06.1a__t"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12449 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >I got an electric shock 3 or 4 times from touching my >Newman machine supply, >once at almost 2000 Volts DC, where I flew from a chair >as if someone knocked me off the chair >and a few times with 620 Volts from a 10 uF charged >Capacitor... >Boy I can tell you, >this is really now fun this high capacity DC ! We are strange people arn't we if we can talk about being electrocuted (non-fataly) as fun. But I must say that it really is quite fun to have a neon sign transformer find new ways to close the circuit (from one thumb to the other) Now honestly despite it being disturbing I really did find it fun and left me with a smile on my face both times, Could it have been because of my love of electricity that feeling it was fun or could it be that the right voltages and currents and wave shapes may have an effect that induces a feeling of joy? Of course I have had non-fun experiences too but it is a subject that could be looked into. (but finding guinipigs would be hard) John Berry Stefan Hartmann wrote: > >(This is not a tesla coil > >machine with large air gaps) I noticed then that one side was malfunctioning > >as a short where the bars were too close of proximity in the air gap. This > >had exposed me to 60 hz shock, which is not a pleasant sensation at all. I > >hope this never happens again! How this mistake was made was that when the > >neon bulb blinks, I had taken this as an indicator that the system was in > >high frequency, where in fact this painful discovery showed me that the neon > >bulb blinks even at 60 hz function!!! > >There may be some kind of unusual self organizing of plasma to create this > >blinking, but the standard rule of blinking meaning high frequency is in > >effect failed here. But Boy it will make you scream and drop that bulb right > >now!! Thats the school of hard knocks. > > > >Sincerly Stupid in the name of Science; HDN > > > > I got an electric shock 3 or 4 times from touching my > Newman machine supply, > once at almost 2000 Volts DC, where I flew from a chair > as if someone knocked me off the chair > and a few times with 620 Volts from a 10 uF charged > Capacitor... > Boy I can tell you, > this is really now fun this high capacity DC ! > > You really through away all your stuff you just have in your hands... > > BTW, I bought the TDP CD File from the ATGROUP .... > > See their latest update and it will blow you away too ! > > Best regards, Stefan. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 9 21:19:01 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA20345; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 21:18:52 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 21:18:52 -0700 From: HLafonte@aol.com Message-ID: <0.616a24ee.25316da4@aol.com> Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 00:18:44 EDT Subject: Attraction/repulsion segments reversed To: energy21@listbot.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 41 Resent-Message-ID: <"udb4o3.0.oz4.hE10u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12450 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: To see update go to: LaFonte Research site 1 or http://hometown.aol.com/hlafonte/index.html I will test in both configurations but believe this might be best way to go. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 10 01:09:15 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id BAA24082; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 01:09:07 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 01:09:07 -0700 From: JNaudin509@aol.com Message-ID: <0.b575285e.2531a39c@aol.com> Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 04:09:00 EDT Subject: The Coanda Saucer - A simple experiment To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 166 Resent-Message-ID: <"LC3pR3.0.Bu5.Zc40u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12451 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dear All, I have updated my web site with a very simple experiment that anyone can perform : This is the Coanda Effect Saucer experiment or the first step to the Schauberger's Repulsin type A.... If you are interested you may see at : http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/delany/256/html/repcotst.htm Best Regards to all and good week-end, Jean-Louis Naudin Email: Jnaudin509@aol.com Overunity Web site: http://members.aol.com/jnaudin509/index.htm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 10 01:13:48 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id BAA25640; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 01:13:46 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 01:13:46 -0700 Message-ID: <38004568.F69AD2A@infovia.com.ar> Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 04:51:05 -0300 From: Juan de la Cruz Barrios X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [es] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: es MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Interact@KeelyNet.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Amazing Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"r1wJJ.0.SG6.wg40u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12452 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hello, Maybe this is of interest... ------------------------------------------------------------------ Computer uses cat's brain to see By BBC News Online Science Editor Dr David Whitehouse In what is bound to become a much debated and highly controversial experiment, a team of US scientists have wired a computer to a cat's brain and created videos of what the animal was seeing. According to a paper published in the Journal of Neuroscience, Yang Dan, Garret Stanley and Fei Li of the University of California at Berkeley have been able to "reconstruct natural scenes with recognizable moving objects." Read the entire article at: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_468000/468857.stm -------------------------------------------------------- Kitty, kitty........... Regards, Juan. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 10 03:29:04 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id DAA08162; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 03:28:58 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 03:28:58 -0700 Message-ID: <38007846.A79237F@mail.admiral.ru> Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 14:28:06 +0300 From: "Alexander V. Frolov" Reply-To: a2509@yahoo.com, frolov@mail.admiral.ru Organization: Home Lab X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: The Coanda effect References: <0.b575285e.2531a39c@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ghZ1O3.0.R_1.gf60u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12453 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: There force from the air pressure gradient that is produced by the shape of the wing is classical Gukovsky (Jukovsky) force in aerodynamics, by Russian textbook. Regards, Alexander V. Frolov -- http://www.time-machine.spb.ru POB 37, 193024, St.-Petersburg, Russia 7-812-2747877 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 10 08:27:38 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id IAA02850; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 08:27:30 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 08:27:30 -0700 From: "Harvey Norris" To: "bob macelvain" Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Electrocution/Rife Device? Message-Id: <939569250.17875.419@excite.com> Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 08:27:30 PDT X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 207.205.185.104 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"3E4Xv1.0.Ni.X1B0u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12454 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Sat, 09 Oct 1999 08:28:17 -0700, bob macelvain wrote: > ... > ... hi, harvey ... > ... > ... somehow, you manage to keep > coming up with stuff that > i find interesting ... > ... > ... i use miniature neons for > parasite therapy ... This sounds like Rife (spelling in question) tube device. Called a distributor who could give no technical details, but said purchase price was $2,500.00. Dont see how this price can be justified. > ... i merely tie two miniature > neon tubes in series and > plug them directly into the > household 110 AC, with > a large resistor (myself), > inserted into the circuit > (everything in series) ... This is quite unusual, I didnt think neons would ionize at 120 volts. > ... my actual physical contact > is two copper tubes, one > touching bottom of my toes, > the other, i touch with > my finger-tips ... The copper electrodes are connected to the end terminals of the neon > ... the copper tube i touch with > my fingers rests on a very > thin wood-top of a coffee > table ... > ... > ... the copper tube is 3/4" diameter > by about 12" length lying > flat on the thin wood surface ... > ... > ... i feel the 60hz moderately ... > (not unpleasant... rather soothing)) > ... > ... if i moisten or wet my finger > tips, the 60hz becomes moderately > to uncomfortably intense ... > ... > ... if i use only a single neon > miniature light, the 60hz is > too intense for comfort, even > with dry finger tips ... > ... > ... now here is what i hope that > you too will find interesting ... > ... > ... by rubbing my fingers along the > surface of the copper tube, my > fingers 'drag' with a 60hz > 'roughness'... almost like the > 'slip-and-stick' effect of > rubbing your finger-tips across > the stretched surface of a > rubber balloon ... > ... > ... here is where i want to go > with this: .... > ... > ... the wood surface in contact with > the copper tube makes an audible > 60hz tone... very mellow ... > cello-like... lots of overtones ... This must be a higher harmonic of 60 hz that causes audible sound. > ... what i would like you to do is > figure out how to control the > circuit so that good music (18hz > - 21,000hz, more or less)can be > produced merely by rubbing the > finger tips across the surface > of the copper tube, with more > or less finger-tip pressure ... Yes I can imagine such a musical device would be a hit! > ... the simple 60hz (two in series > miniature neons) copper pipe > circuit costs less than $3.00 ... > ... > ... i believe it would be pretty > neat to be able to create rich > harmonics from a simple rubbing > of the fingertips across a > copper pipe ... > ... > ... i'd like to be able to create > something similar to cello music > physically/creatively/intuitively > as opposed to keyboard mechanics ... > ... > ... sure would appreciate your > comments/input on this ... > ... > ... bob ... I am not quite sure I can be of any help, I am soon taking out of state job and will have to put research aside for a while, and may unsubscribe from freenrg list for a while till I get back. I hope you dont mind me forwarding this good letter to list and hopefully others can give you input. Sincerly Harvey D Norris ________________________________________________________________ Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 10 08:36:37 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id IAA06418; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 08:36:35 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 08:36:35 -0700 Message-ID: <006b01bf1335$5be39860$7c0dacd1@edkl> From: "Edward Kauffmann" To: "energy21" Cc: References: <0.616a24ee.25316da4@aol.com> Subject: Re: Attraction/repulsion segments reversed Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 11:35:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"QVKXB.0.Ba1.3AB0u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12455 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Butch, I don't understand why you continue to miss the flawed logic in this device idea. It doesn't matter if the attraction/repulsion segments are reversed or not. If they cancel each other out as you indicate in your drawings, then you can simply take them out of the picture. Once removed, you are left with a simple attraction stator gradient. Will this work by itself? Doubtful. As you yourself pointed out in the past...due to the inverse square rule you can't expect multiple rotor poles to overcome the loss that the smallest air gap will induce into the system. If it is possible to do this, I have not seen you (or anyone else for that matter) make a chart of how many poles it would take and the value of pole strength vs. air gap distance at each pole. This is the only way to find out if you can use multiple rotor poles to get beyond the locking point. All the cancelling balance magnets in the world will not do anything (and are not even necessary), once you take them out of the picture. I am not trying to knock your ideas, you have had many good ones in the past. I just hate to see you spend money (and time) before the ideas are refined. Perhaps you should fully think through your ideas before trying to blast them up on the net just to "time date" them. What good is time dating a flawed idea? Good luck, Edward Kauffmann edk@pfeul.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Sunday, October 10, 1999 12:18 AM Subject: Attraction/repulsion segments reversed > energy21 - http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135 > > To see update go to: > LaFonte Research site 1 > or http://hometown.aol.com/hlafonte/index.html > I will test in both configurations but believe this might be best way to go. > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, write to energy21-unsubscribe@listbot.com > Start Your Own FREE Email List at http://www.listbot.com/ > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 10 10:35:01 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA08452; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 10:34:44 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 10:34:44 -0700 X-Fidalgo-Track-MAIL-A: pm3-4-dyn30.skagit.fidalgo.net [209.102.74.93] X-Fidalgo-Track-MAIL-B: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 10:34:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <007101bf1344$fe7445c0$27b6bfd1@w7o9k8> From: "Fred Epps" To: "Free Energy" Subject: Re: Fred's pin drop experiment Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 10:29:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"z233o2.0.z32.puC0u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12456 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi folks, Some more details of my friend's replication of the pin drop experiment. I jsut got home from work and haven't tried it myself yet. And I still haven't found the original file on the massive Keely site. 1) He used extremely powerful neodymium magnets. 2) He started with thread which did spin from the thread's own twist, then wound right up past that point. 3) He then tried two threads and this also wound up. 4) He tried monofilament gut and the effect was there but a bit weaker. The fact that he got it with two threads and with monofilament might mean there is something unusual there. It could be obscured by normal thread twist. I don't think the case is completely closed on this. Fred >>> >>>Ok I tried it, and it's obvious to me it's the thread unwinding. Has to be >>>tried too with untwisted thread, and I'll try that later. But the winding >>>that occurs unwinds itself as soon as the pull on the pin is relieved when >>>it touches down on the magnet surface and the stress on the thread >relaxes. >>>It relates to the orientation of the thread as expected. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 10 11:12:49 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA18472; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 11:12:42 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 11:12:42 -0700 Message-ID: <3800D717.222D@cyberportal.net> Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 14:12:39 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com CC: nuenergy@listbot.com Subject: Radiant Energy Secrets Just Released Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"7dei11.0.XW4.QSD0u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12457 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dear Peers, I have for the most part completed my research with radiant energy. Is time to move onto new and bigger challedges for the year 2000. see -> http://www.nuenergy.org/back.htm I will give one more demonstration at the next Exotic Research Conference in July of the year 2000. I am tired of just being a Scientist... Tesla is no longer my roleodel... Edison will is my role model! Actually, it was Edison who inspired me as a child. It is time to market what I have gleaned over the years. It is time to gather the Edison dream team. All those who wish to come along for the grand ride will be welcomed. One of my goals within the next two or three years is to promote and sell electric car conversion kits, parts, booklets related to electric cars, to have an electric car dealership, etc... Wouldn't you like to own an electric car lot? How knows, maybe I'll even build the next "Tucker" Electric Car. -Bruce A. Perreault From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 10 11:16:47 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA20745; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 11:16:43 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 11:16:43 -0700 X-Fidalgo-Track-MAIL-A: pm3-4-dyn30.skagit.fidalgo.net [209.102.74.93] X-Fidalgo-Track-MAIL-B: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 11:16:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <009001bf134a$dd7679a0$27b6bfd1@w7o9k8> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: Parametrics Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 11:11:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"yHbO83.0.-35.BWD0u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12458 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Peter and all, >> > >The cylinder of ferromagnetic material, in having a toroidal winding, is >similar to Hooper's hair-pin coil. Hmm, true. However in Hooper's coil the resultant force is due to a presumed moving magnetic field associated with electron drift in the coil. I'm not sure how this relates to my original proposal, or to what you have below... The flux cancellation between the >anti-parallel inside and outside of each loop results in an extradimensional >90 degree orthorotation. Pardon my ignorance, but how does this follow? So if I have a simple bifilar 'coil' composed of two straight wires, there is a rotation of *something* at the tesseract angle?? What is this something? Electromagnetic energy? Is there a hyperdimensional emanation from a single current carrying wire? Like a hyper-right hand rule? Assuming the poloidal windings are also >anti-parallel, i.e. driven in series, the same would occur, but at a right >angle. > >Consequently, you have a hyperdimensional product from the cancellation of >each coil that is is double the applied frequency, and orthagonally >confluent with the _EM_ vector of the other. Ok, given the original hyper-orthogonal rotation of each of the two orthogonal EM vectors, this follows. I don't see why this would be double the applied frequency. The parametric aspects are at the same frequency unless a DC square wave is used to drive the input. That's where the energy gain >hides. > >Simultaneously, the two hyperdimensional products are generated at 90 >degrees to each other. Thus vacuum interfacing can occur within the >ferroceramic by rotating it, adding a dynamic force vector. A bit tricky to do. And my original idea could use steel. It sounds like something that Alexander Frolov mentioned at one point, but I can't quite place the reference. Otherwise, the >system remains static. One might expect to see a change in relative >inductance between the two coils. That was the idea :-) > >Personally, I would replace the poloidal windings with a convergent >electrical field. You may recall Hooper's coil was encased in a capacitor. Well, it was encased in a faraday cage, and a capacitor was used to detect the output at some distance. >And Carr's capacitor was bounded by a magnetic field. True, and undoubtably relevant. The latter was a bit >like a two dimensional rendition of a planetary body. In the Carr patent it appears to rotate with the capacitor plates. The principle was >peroidic >reflection off the neutral center. I get the neutral part. I'm not sure what you mean by "reflection". > >If we do a bit of collective brainstorming, a common link might emerge. IMO >the key is in the vectoral relationship of orthagonal conversions. The >reduction of four dimensions to three through superposition and spin. Yes I do see what you mean there, although the mechanism of how energy is projected or absorbed through the hyperdimension is a bit unclear to me. Unless any EM system has a hypervectorial component, which makes sense. Kiehn, the torsion topologist, proves --I think--- that maxwellian EM works equally well in any n-dimensional space and that Maxwell's equations do not limit or predict a number of dimensions. A >parametric circuit with 4D geometry. At this point I feel I need to point out that this is such a radical extension of my original idea as to obscure it. My original structure simply used basic and well known relations between flux density and geometry to show that it was not necessary to use the same energy to create a parametric change as could result from it. The lack of any reciprocal relation is I feel important in itself, if true. Your proposal is quite interesting and I think the hypervectorial extension of EM bears some looking into. However if my original idea works it is superfluous to a working free energy device. BTW, this orthogonal magnetic circuit of Meretsky might be of relevance somewhere in here: http://www.patents.ibm.com/details?pn=US04210859__ US4210859: Inductive device having orthogonal windings The patent reports peculiar effects that do not follow from standard domain rotation. Fred > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 10 12:24:48 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA08509; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 12:24:27 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 12:24:27 -0700 Message-ID: <3800E7E9.2C7D@cyberportal.net> Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 15:24:25 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nuenergy@listbot.com CC: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Radiant Energy Secrets Just Released -corrected Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"8cwvi.0.s42.hVE0u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12459 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dear Peers, I have for the most part completed my research into radiant energy. Is now time to move onto new and bigger challenges for the year 2000. see -> http://www.nuenergy.org/back.htm I will give one more radiant energy type demonstration at the next Exotic Research Conference in July, year 2000. I am tired of just being a Scientist... a person has to eat. Tesla is no longer my role model... Edison is my new role model. Actually, it was Edison who first inspired me as a youngster. It is time to market what I have gleaned over the years. It is a time to gather the Edison dream team. All those who wish to come along for the grand ride will be welcomed when this begins to come together. One of my goals within the next two or three years is to promote and sell electric car conversion kits, parts, and booklets related to electric cars, to own an electric car dealership, etc... Wouldn't you like to own an electric car lot? Who knows, maybe I'll even build the next "Tucker" Electric Car. -Bruce A. Perreault P.S. Haste sometimes creates perfection sooner or later. Correcting this post is an example. I have done this more often than not. I guess this is the Edison spirit. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 10 13:54:32 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA04550; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 13:53:50 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 13:53:50 -0700 Message-ID: <3800FD02.84D48D8E@microtec.net> Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 16:54:26 -0400 From: patrick tremblay X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Fred's pin drop experiment References: <007101bf1344$fe7445c0$27b6bfd1@w7o9k8> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"O4Ffl1.0._61.UpF0u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12460 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: HI all, Does the hopper monstein experiment work ? Fred Epps wrote: > Hi folks, > > Some more details of my friend's replication of the pin drop experiment. I > jsut got home from work and haven't tried it myself yet. And I still haven't > found the original file on the massive Keely site. > > 1) He used extremely powerful neodymium magnets. > > 2) He started with thread which did spin from the thread's own twist, then > wound right up past that point. > > 3) He then tried two threads and this also wound up. > > 4) He tried monofilament gut and the effect was there but a bit weaker. > > The fact that he got it with two threads and with monofilament might mean > there is something unusual there. It could be obscured by normal thread > twist. I don't think the case is completely closed on this. > > Fred > > >>> > >>>Ok I tried it, and it's obvious to me it's the thread unwinding. Has to > be > >>>tried too with untwisted thread, and I'll try that later. But the winding > >>>that occurs unwinds itself as soon as the pull on the pin is relieved > when > >>>it touches down on the magnet surface and the stress on the thread > >relaxes. > >>>It relates to the orientation of the thread as expected. -- webmaster : patrick tremblay http://www.simplcom.ca/index.html From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 10 14:35:26 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA16219; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 14:35:11 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 14:35:11 -0700 Message-ID: <018c01bf1367$a3eada60$425323cb@-> From: "Peter Nielsen" To: Subject: Re: Electrocution/Rife Device? Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 06:57:42 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"Jv6jj2.0.Jz3.EQG0u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12461 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >> ... if i use only a single neon >> miniature light, the 60hz is >> too intense for comfort, even >> with dry finger tips ... >> While you may be able to use neon tubes for rudimentary Rife work, it was his "disease mortality" frequencies that played the key role. There is alot on the net about Rife. BTW 60Hz is widely reported to have negative bio-effects. I would be wanting less of it. Peter Nielsen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 10 14:35:30 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA16300; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 14:35:22 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 14:35:22 -0700 Message-ID: <018f01bf1367$aabaeec0$425323cb@-> From: "Peter Nielsen" To: Subject: Re: Parametrics Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 07:36:26 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"BN9KI3.0.V-3.QQG0u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12462 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >Hmm, true. However in Hooper's coil the resultant force is due to a presumed >moving magnetic field associated with electron drift in the coil. I'm not >sure how this relates to my original proposal, or to what you have below... > I believe he called it a "motional E field". Cancellation of the B vector. >So if I have a simple bifilar >'coil' composed of two straight wires, there is a rotation of *something* at >the tesseract angle > The cancellation results in an orthagonal emission path, i.e. at right angles to the plane of cancellation. >Ok, given the original hyper-orthogonal rotation of each of the two >orthogonal EM vectors, this follows. I don't see why this would be double >the applied frequency > Within an AC-driven bifilar coil you have a second cancellation when the field reverses. >A bit tricky to do. And my original idea could use steel. >It sounds like something that Alexander Frolov mentioned at one point, but I >can't quite place the reference. > Spinning particles capture vacuum energy. There are other geometries that can be used. It's the principle that matters. >Well, it was encased in a faraday cage, and a capacitor was used to detect >the output at some distance. > Hooper also detected a small anomolous charge on the outermost cylinder when the coil was powered. >In the Carr patent it appears to rotate with the capacitor plates. > Let's look again at the two charged disks and ball rotating around the circumference. How does the ball "see" the upper and lower surface? They would appear to be counter-rotating. Counter rotate the disks instead and the effect is isolated. By using the stationary field coils a wave expanding and contracting upon the neutral center can be generated. If the reflected outgoing wave meets the next incoming wave midway you have cancellation at half the wavelength (twice the frequency) of the disks. The combination of orthorotation and higher harmonic creartes a zone of extra-dimensionality which deflects the gravity field. That's my understanding anyway. >At this point I feel I need to point out that this is such a radical >extension of my original idea as to obscure it > >Fred > That's the forest in the trees. IMO extra energy does not come from the theory, but how the device fits into a larger scope of operation than is physically manifest. To me, that is the "basics". Otherwise we're working backwards. Peter Nielsen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 10 14:44:59 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA21576; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 14:44:53 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 14:44:53 -0700 Message-ID: <380116B1.6428@lafn.org> Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 14:45:04 -0800 From: Jim Day X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Crossed-field antenna Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ocO9a1.0.1H5.LZG0u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12463 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: The crossed-field antenna may or may not be overunity, but it can be up to three times as efficient as a conventional radio antenna. It is well known that a magnetic field can be created by passing a current of electricity through a piece of wire. But a magnetic field can also be created by means of a time-varying electric field. That fact is exploited in the design of the crossed-field antenna, which produces electromagnetic radiation by combining separately generated electric and magnetic fields. For more information about the theory behind the crossed-field antenna, see http://antennex.com/preview/cfa/cfa.htm also http://luminet.net/~wenonah/cfa/index.html and the U.S. patent http://patent.womplex.ibm.com/details?patent_number=5155495 Regards, Jim Day From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 10 14:45:03 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA21613; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 14:44:59 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 14:44:59 -0700 From: Shawnbrandon@aol.com Message-ID: <0.46dbcf9a.253262d6@aol.com> Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 17:44:54 EDT Subject: New to list To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 41 Resent-Message-ID: <"-jGaf2.0.WH5.RZG0u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12464 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hello, My name is Shawn Brandon. I'm a student in mechanical engineering (senior year) and heard of the list thru a friend. I have always had an interest in permanent magnets and magnetism. I believe that magnetic fields could be a potential source of the "free energy" or "overunity" your list speaks of. I look forward to reading your posts and hope my input will be of value. Thank you, Shawn Brandon From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 10 15:35:47 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA04186; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 15:35:41 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 15:35:41 -0700 From: Pepthewep@aol.com Message-ID: <0.af85662e.25326ebb@aol.com> Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 18:35:39 EDT Subject: Re: New to list To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 243 Resent-Message-ID: <"qQF1e.0.J11.zIH0u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12465 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Welcome Shawn! Lots of interesting things are going on here....jump right in! Barb c. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 10 15:49:47 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA08686; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 15:49:41 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 15:49:41 -0700 From: Pepthewep@aol.com Message-ID: <0.46dba8b3.253271f9@aol.com> Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 18:49:29 EDT Subject: Re: Parametrics To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 243 Resent-Message-ID: <"AQOv3.0.c72.4WH0u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12466 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Fred, Excuse me? Say what? Just kidding, Fred:-) (NOT!) We never talk anymore and I'm lonely. Actually I'm in Scotland on a UFO list. It's more of a scientific discussion than a silly "I saw..." list. Mars is a hot topic. Please keep in touch. I don't think I put this on a private line...sorry! Barb c. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 10 16:14:23 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA15331; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 16:14:15 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 16:14:15 -0700 Message-ID: <38011D48.19E78694@ihug.co.nz> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 12:12:08 +1300 From: John Berry X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: fred, when did you want me to remind you? References: <007101bf1344$fe7445c0$27b6bfd1@w7o9k8> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"0P1B-2.0.Sl3.7tH0u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12467 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: When did you want me to remind you?? Fred Epps wrote: > Hi folks, > > Some more details of my friend's replication of the pin drop experiment. I > jsut got home from work and haven't tried it myself yet. And I still haven't > found the original file on the massive Keely site. > > 1) He used extremely powerful neodymium magnets. > > 2) He started with thread which did spin from the thread's own twist, then > wound right up past that point. > > 3) He then tried two threads and this also wound up. > > 4) He tried monofilament gut and the effect was there but a bit weaker. > > The fact that he got it with two threads and with monofilament might mean > there is something unusual there. It could be obscured by normal thread > twist. I don't think the case is completely closed on this. > > Fred > > >>> > >>>Ok I tried it, and it's obvious to me it's the thread unwinding. Has to > be > >>>tried too with untwisted thread, and I'll try that later. But the winding > >>>that occurs unwinds itself as soon as the pull on the pin is relieved > when > >>>it touches down on the magnet surface and the stress on the thread > >relaxes. > >>>It relates to the orientation of the thread as expected. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 10 16:42:19 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA24404; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 16:42:16 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 16:42:16 -0700 Message-ID: <380123E2.230BB2D0@ihug.co.nz> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 12:40:18 +1300 From: John Berry X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: fred, when did you want me to remind you? References: <007101bf1344$fe7445c0$27b6bfd1@w7o9k8> <38011D48.19E78694@ihug.co.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"rIpVo3.0.8z5.NHI0u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12468 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: That was meant to go to fred obviously, My email program often changes the email address back to what it first was, I have to delete and retype part of the email address if I paste it in, I sometimes forget... John Berry wrote: > When did you want me to remind you?? > > Fred Epps wrote: > > > Hi folks, > > > > Some more details of my friend's replication of the pin drop experiment. I > > jsut got home from work and haven't tried it myself yet. And I still haven't > > found the original file on the massive Keely site. > > > > 1) He used extremely powerful neodymium magnets. > > > > 2) He started with thread which did spin from the thread's own twist, then > > wound right up past that point. > > > > 3) He then tried two threads and this also wound up. > > > > 4) He tried monofilament gut and the effect was there but a bit weaker. > > > > The fact that he got it with two threads and with monofilament might mean > > there is something unusual there. It could be obscured by normal thread > > twist. I don't think the case is completely closed on this. > > > > Fred > > > > >>> > > >>>Ok I tried it, and it's obvious to me it's the thread unwinding. Has to > > be > > >>>tried too with untwisted thread, and I'll try that later. But the winding > > >>>that occurs unwinds itself as soon as the pull on the pin is relieved > > when > > >>>it touches down on the magnet surface and the stress on the thread > > >relaxes. > > >>>It relates to the orientation of the thread as expected. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 10 17:08:13 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA32467; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 17:08:08 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 17:08:08 -0700 X-Fidalgo-Track-MAIL-A: pm3-1-dyn45.skagit.fidalgo.net [209.191.182.60] X-Fidalgo-Track-MAIL-B: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 17:08:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <006001bf137b$f4f40080$3cb6bfd1@w7o9k8> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: Fred's pin drop experiment Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 16:01:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"lK9D.0.Cx7.dfI0u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12470 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Patrick, > >Does the hopper monstein experiment work ? Yes :-) Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 10 17:08:13 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA32440; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 17:08:06 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 17:08:06 -0700 X-Fidalgo-Track-MAIL-A: pm3-1-dyn45.skagit.fidalgo.net [209.191.182.60] X-Fidalgo-Track-MAIL-B: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 17:08:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <005f01bf137b$f453c8e0$3cb6bfd1@w7o9k8> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: Parametrics Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 16:00:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"tMRff.0.nw7.bfI0u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12469 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Barb, >Fred, Excuse me? Say what? Just kidding, Fred:-) (NOT!) I'll be glad to explain if you really want to hear it :-) > We never talk anymore and I'm lonely. It was just a couple of weeks ago :-) Actually I'm in Scotland on a >UFO list. It's more of a scientific discussion than a silly "I saw..." list. What's the list? Sounds interesting.. > Mars is a hot topic. Yes the recent loss of the probe is very suspicious, in the context of that Russian probe that was lost after taking some very strange pictures. Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 11 04:14:41 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id EAA18385; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 04:14:28 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 04:14:28 -0700 From: Pepthewep@aol.com Message-ID: <0.ab723de8.2533208d@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 07:14:21 EDT Subject: Re: Parametrics To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 243 Resent-Message-ID: <"BH-Y9.0.AV4.KQS0u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12471 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Fred, By the way, I sent a new guy, Shawn Brandon, your way. He's looking for info on a lister, Butch LaFonte...know him? My UFO list is < UFOScotland@listbot.com > I'm really enjoying it as I watch the Discovery-Science Channel along side it. As you stated, the Mars "thing" is getting better and better! They're doing a lot of talk about electromagnetic effects. In fact, just yesterday, a man from England who works in a laboratory building MRIs, chastised others for using terms incorrectly. You could straighten them out, Fred! Anyway, it's certainly a change of pace. My mail is piling up while I'm off into the outer reaches of space!! Check it out. I still haven't forgotten about those friends of yours and "the points". Anything new you could tell me about. Are things still bouncing out? Anybody hurt? This is SO fascinating! Barb c. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 11 09:04:28 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA25872; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 09:04:07 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 09:04:07 -0700 From: Shawnbrandon@aol.com Message-ID: <0.c8bb1c23.25336472@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 12:04:02 EDT Subject: To Fred Fepps by way of Barb c. To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 41 Resent-Message-ID: <"FYwUQ3.0.2K6.tfW0u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12472 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: In a message dated 10/10/99 5:39:06 PM Central Daylight Time, Pepthewep@aol.com writes: > Welcome Shawn! Lots of interesting things are going on here....jump right > in! Barb c. Thanks, Barb It's good to see there are women on the list. Also, I have been looking at Butch LaFonte's web page. I read a post of his and went to the site. His stuff looks interesting. Has he been on the list long? Is this his first design? Thanks, Shawn Shawn, I don't know about Butch. I'm new too and also more of a spectator. Ask Fred Fepps. He should know about everybody! Barb c. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 11 09:31:01 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA04963; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 09:30:52 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 09:30:52 -0700 X-Fidalgo-Track-MAIL-A: pm3-1-dyn31.skagit.fidalgo.net [209.191.182.46] X-Fidalgo-Track-MAIL-B: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 09:30:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <00ef01bf1405$3dc6e460$3cb6bfd1@w7o9k8> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: To Fred Fepps by way of Barb c. Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 09:14:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"wcc6k2.0.SD1.y2X0u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12473 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Shawn and Barb, I'm sorry, I haven't been paying enough attention to Butch's stuff to tell you much. He's clearly a serious experimenter, and certainly he's been working on his designs for a long time. I've looked at a quite a few magnet motor designs in the past, and I do feel that in some cases they could show some strange effects. In any case you should just ask Butch. He's here and more than willing to answer questions! Fred >Also, I have been looking at Butch LaFonte's web page. I read a post of his >and went to the site. His stuff looks interesting. Has he been on the list >long? Is this his first design? >Thanks, >Shawn >Shawn, I don't know about Butch. I'm new too and also more of a spectator. >Ask Fred Fepps. He should know about everybody! Barb c. > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 11 10:14:42 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA21772; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 10:14:29 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 10:14:29 -0700 From: HLafonte@aol.com Message-ID: <0.93c14e5.253374ec@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 13:14:20 EDT Subject: Info. added to drawing To: energy21@listbot.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Resent-Message-ID: <"oldUe3.0.0K5.rhX0u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12474 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I have added some information on device drawing to help explain operation. Thanks, Butch LaFonte Research site 1 or http://hometown.aol.com/hlafonte/index.html From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 11 10:32:18 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA29026; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 10:32:14 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 10:32:14 -0700 Message-ID: <38021F90.405F@cyberportal.net> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 13:34:08 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nu Energy Horizons CC: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Radiant Energy Secrets Just Released References: <0.f79fee6b.25332ed5@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Xc2Qe2.0.N57.UyX0u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12475 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: BART2SUE@aol.com wrote: > > Bruce, > Ever since I read of Tesla's electric Pace arrow car(1932) I've been looking > for the way. If you show me I will follow. Science and Tecnology is just in > the crawl stage like children seeking to stand on our own two feet, its time > to get up and run,and be respectful of our enviroment.Count me in. > Enjoy the ride! > Bart The Tesla Electric Car was not powered by Radiant Energy, contrary to popular myth. It had a special primary battery. "There were enough spare-parts in the trunk to run the car for a year." It could reach the speed of 90 mph, could travel 300 miles before you had to stop and tend to the batteries... tending to the batteries took a few minutes. When the the zincs had to be replaced a child could do it in less than ten minutes. This was quite a feat for a heavy car like the Pierce Arrow. The secret was in the "fluid transmission" that Tesla had invented for this car. Just think what could be done today with this design. -BAP From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 11 10:38:04 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA31549; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 10:37:59 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 10:37:59 -0700 Message-ID: <380220DE.6E51@cyberportal.net> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 13:39:42 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nu Energy Horizons CC: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Radiant Energy Secrets Just Released -corrected References: <0015d1d7.c21508@globalcrossing.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"xr2JI1.0.ri7.t1Y0u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12476 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: martin_wolff@globalcrossing.com wrote: > > If you are going to advance radiant energy by putting it in the car I'm > interested but I would prefere to have the ajoining building that sells > the home power units. Two reasons for this. The first is that the home > unit will not have to be engineered to minimise weight. The second is > that the home unit will not have to withstand a harsh environment > (vibration, water etc). The main parts should be useable in both so that > shouldn't be too much of a problem. I agree, radiant energy should be put into homes, quietly... The car should use the concepts that Tesla designed into his car. No one will oppose a special primary battery... then again, maybe they will... saying that people will be exposed to hazardous materials. -BAP From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 11 10:59:41 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA06995; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 10:59:35 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 10:59:35 -0700 Message-ID: <380225F7.3FD9@cyberportal.net> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 14:01:27 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: alik@intergate.bc.ca CC: nuenergy@listbot.com, freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Radiant Energy Secrets Just Released References: <0.f79fee6b.25332ed5@aol.com> <38021F90.405F@cyberportal.net> <3801FA03.4C2C@intergate.bc.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"hUUGq.0.Cj1.6MY0u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12477 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Alik Shereshevsky wrote: > > I have one silly question about Tesla's electric car - where > would he get an electric motor powerful enough to drag a heavy > car at 90mph that would fit in that car in 1930's? Presumably > if he had developed a motor with very favorable power/weight > he would have run out and patented it like he did with qll his > other stuff. Most EV motors today require fancy controllers > unavailable in those days, so what did he use as motor? He used a 60Hz. motor... the black-box with the vacuum-tubes was the invertor. If you have a super efficient transmission then there would not be much battery drain either. -Bruce A. Perreault From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 11 11:18:41 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA15172; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 11:18:21 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 11:18:21 -0700 Message-ID: <385987696.939665892606.JavaMail.root@web03_mc.mail.com> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 14:18:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Doggiedoor Doomsday To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: new member Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: mail.com X-Originating-IP: 206.117.222.114 Resent-Message-ID: <"pcdHO.0.ui3.jdY0u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12478 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I am new to this list, so I hope I am sending this e-mail correctly (but I am a fast learner, so tell me if I am doing it incorrectly and I'll fix it). I have been observing this list for the last few days, and it is very interesting. I hope I can contribute to it whenever I can. Is there an archive of all the past messages so I can look back to something I might have missed? Thanks in advance for any help you can provide. __________________________________________________ FREE Email for ALL! Sign up at http://www.mail.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 11 11:21:57 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA18158; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 11:21:53 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 11:21:53 -0700 Message-ID: <38022B2D.5EC8@cyberportal.net> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 14:23:41 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nuenergy@listbot.com CC: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Tesla Fluid Transmission Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"6mEVZ2.0.cR4.1hY0u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12479 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: This is the "fluid transission" patent, in my humble opinion, that Nikola Tesla put into his electric car... http://www.nuenergy.org/pdf/Tesla_Patents/b174544.pdf -Bruce A. Perreault From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 11 12:05:07 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA03855; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 12:05:00 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 12:05:00 -0700 From: DEADWATE@aol.com Message-ID: <0.c40488df.25338ed5@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 15:04:53 EDT Subject: Re: new member To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 41 Resent-Message-ID: <"EI9uj2.0.7y.RJZ0u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12480 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: How would we know if you did not send it correctly? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 11 12:41:42 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA20913; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 12:41:34 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 12:41:34 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 09:41:22 -1000 Subject: Re: new member From: "Rick Monteverde" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <199910111541306.SM00103@[192.168.0.2]> Resent-Message-ID: <"YwtwL2.0.g65.jrZ0u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12481 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Deadwate - > How would we know if you did not send it correctly? That's one possible response. But I was thinking of something along the lines of "Welcome to the list, your message came through fine. And yes, there's an archive of the list on Bill Beaty's website. Here's the URL:" http://www.eskimo.com/~bilb/freenrgl/flist.html - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 11 15:24:51 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA28879; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 15:24:19 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 15:24:19 -0700 From: tgrimes1@juno.com To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 18:10:19 -0400 Subject: Vapor Pressure energy Message-ID: <19991011.181023.-491715.0.tgrimes1@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 2.0.11 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 21-22 X-Juno-Att: 0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"frL3i.0.w27.JEc0u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12482 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: It is common knowledge that at temperatures below boiling water, and other liquids, does not just sit there. That is, some molecules are breaking free at the surface and some are entering the liquid from the atmosphere according to an equilibrium determined by the vapor pressure (I think I have my terms correct, but tell me if I'm wrong). So what I have been wondering is whether some particles of solute in the water will also evaporate and condense along with the water. If so, then an ionic compound that completely dissociates into positive and negative ions in water may be able to generate a small amount of electricity. My reasoning is as follows: when you dissolve the ionic compound in water the number of positive charges equals, exactly, the number of negative charges and the solution has a net charge of zero; but if an ion leaves the solution due to the equilibrium at the surface of the water then there exists a potential between the atmoshpere above the surface of the solution and the solution itself. I don't know if ions will tend to leave in pairs (or electric equilibrium, in general) or not. Naturally, the potential will fluctuate rapidly, but I think that some sort of rectifier might be designed to at least make a curiousity out of the device. The energy that is derived from this method would be from the heat intrisic to the solution, and therefore would agree with the conservation of mass/energy. I would be very interested in hearing why this would, or would not work. -Tom ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 11 16:27:06 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA29973; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 16:26:58 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 16:26:58 -0700 From: HLafonte@aol.com Message-ID: <0.af8b634e.2533cc3b@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 19:26:51 EDT Subject: Important stator change To: energy21@listbot.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Resent-Message-ID: <"I0PE23.0.5K7.19d0u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12483 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I have made a major change to the stator after running some tests. For update see: LaFonte Research site 1 or http://hometown.aol.com/hlafonte/index.html From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 11 17:10:29 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA13906; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 17:10:15 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 17:10:15 -0700 Message-ID: <38027CD8.50B9@cyberportal.net> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 20:12:08 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nu Energy Horizons CC: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Radiant Energy Secrets Just Released -corrected References: <0015f990.c21508@globalcrossing.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"VIQ0u.0.6P3.cnd0u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12484 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: martin_wolff@globalcrossing.com wrote: > > Nu Energy Horizons - http://www.nuenergy.org > > Given how people have been suing the car manufacturers for anything they > can think of (and winning huge sums of money in the process), I'm sure > there would be opposition. > > And in connection with another post about the 60 Hz AC motor, how much more > efficient is it over a DC one? Given that the AC one would have a fixed > speed, you would need a continuously variable transmission rather than one > with fixed ratios. Would it be easier (or even possible) to have a variable > input frequency to the AC motor to avoid the need for a transmission? The problem with DC motors is the brushes. Variable speed is not the problem. Check out the Tesla Patent from my previous post. Couple the 60Hz. motor in place of the steam turbine and I think that we have a winner. -Bruce A. Perreault From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 11 19:17:04 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA05844; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 19:16:41 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 19:16:41 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 19:16:39 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Crossed-field antenna In-Reply-To: <380116B1.6428@lafn.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"NBPCl2.0.DR1.9ef0u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12485 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Sun, 10 Oct 1999, Jim Day wrote: > The crossed-field antenna may or may not be overunity, but it can > be up to three times as efficient as a conventional radio antenna. Hi Jim! I followed a little of the CFA controversy in the British magazine EWW (Electronics and Wireless World) years ago. Nobody was able to come up with hard numbers to prove the claims. The physics was interesting, but it didn't look like the CFA was *better* than normal antennas... only smaller. Nothing appeared to be very magical, since a magnetic antenna always does create e-fields, and an electrostatic antenna always does create b-fields. Combining the two doesn't necessarily do anything but lower the peak voltage requirements, since the "E" part was always there in the coil-antenna, and the "B" part was always there in the capacitor-antenna. I see that the main benefits of the CFA are the small size, and the lack of huge currents needed to create the magnetic portion of the wave. A CFA would be no better than a 1/2-wave dipole made from superconductor. But nobody has room-temp superconductors as yet... For me it all came together when I stumbled upon the stuff about small resonators, black-hole antennas, light emission by atoms, and the "energy-sucking" effects. A small antenna (where the antenna is much smaller than the wavelength of the waves) can only emit radiation if its surrounding fields are very intense. The usual way to transmit EM is to use a 1/2-wave dipole and to create large (but weak) regions of EM fields. The alternate way is to use a very short dipole, and then to apply a very, very high voltage to it (using step-up transformers or tuned resonance as with Tesla coils.) Or alternately, use a small loop antenna, and apply an extremely high current (w/stepdown transformer.) Either method generates EM waves. As long as there is no corona leakage, there is no reason that such a tiny dipole antenna wouldn't be extremely efficient. (...And, the small loop-antenna version might heat up and waste MORE power than an equivalent long dipole antenna. ) The CFA appears to be a method for reducing the value of the voltage required to "get out" the desired power. A pair of cylinders should make a great HV antenna... and with the full CFA effect in operation, the voltage need not be so high. As a receiver, such an antenna would not intercept much energy, since it physically is so much smaller than an equivalent 1/2-wave dipole. However, if the antenna was connected to a tuned circuit, the "energy sucking" effect would commence, and the antenna would intercept quite a lot of energy. I wonder if the CFA people have encountered "black hole antenna" and "resonant energy-sucking effect." > http://antennex.com/preview/cfa/cfa.htm > > also > > http://luminet.net/~wenonah/cfa/index.html Great articles! ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com http://www.amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 12 06:03:34 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA15894; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 06:03:20 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 06:03:20 -0700 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on Linux X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <939459632.10948.100@excite.com> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 09:11:44 -0400 (EDT) Organization: Society for Real Time Sender: chuck@samd.atl.s2systems.com From: Charlie Hodgson To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: Electrocution Resent-Message-ID: <"POBT-.0.Fu3.O6p0u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12486 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On 09-Oct-99 Harvey Norris wrote: > This is unusual for the simple fact that an ordinary person > will feel nothing upon touching another in this train condition. As kids, we used to do this with static electricity - each person in the chain was connected to the next by holding a penny. The lead person would touch ground - we all got zapped. Again and Again. > harmless this is, and proceeded to touch the other end terminal to the > aluminum siding of the house! DA!!! What a shocking experience! Even at high > frequency that was a stupid thing to do! As it turns out the capacity of > aluminum siding far surpasses that of a human being, and what I had While I haven't investigated this, I think more is involved than Aluminum Siding. I have 4 4" x 5" galvanized steel plates attached to a PVC frame which is attached to my house, aboud 8' off the ground. (I use these for some Hieronymous type experiments). Anyhow, I get my 2KV (60 Hz) transformer to spark about the same distance to these plates as to ground. yet my VOM shows open to ground. I'm not arcing through the connecting wires. Don't know what it is, but I found it interesting and figure I have more to learn. Charlie From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 12 06:12:27 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA19252; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 06:12:25 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 06:12:25 -0700 Message-ID: <380341A7.3F0A428@harti.com> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 15:11:51 +0100 From: Stefan Hartmann Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Electrocution X-Priority: 2 (High) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"VuieV2.0.ji4.vEp0u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12487 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > While I haven't investigated this, I think more is involved than > Aluminum Siding. I have 4 4" x 5" galvanized steel plates attached > to a PVC frame which is attached to my house, aboud 8' off the > ground. (I use these for some Hieronymous type experiments). Anyhow, > I get my 2KV (60 Hz) transformer to spark about the same distance to > these plates as to ground. yet my VOM shows open to ground. I'm not > arcing through the connecting wires. Don't know what it is, but I > found it interesting and figure I have more to learn. > Well, it reminds me to an observation I always do, when I try to hook up my TV tuner card to the local cable TV connector ! There is a huge voltage between the cable TV ground and the PC ground chasis, so you could almost light up a bulb when you connect a bulb between the cable tv ground pole and the earth ground pole of the 220 Volts outlet. Always there is a spark, when I hook up the cable TV cable into the TV tuner input... This way the input of the TV tuner card can die sooner or later... Maybe one should use this to extract usefull power !? Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. In. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 12 06:22:50 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA23895; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 06:22:47 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 06:22:47 -0700 Message-ID: <19991012132320.7594.rocketmail@web202.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 06:23:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Brett Nichols Subject: Re: Info. added to drawing To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"qfMlc1.0.Cr5.cOp0u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12488 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: How has your latest test performed? Will it spin? I am very interested. Thanks for freely posting your material. BN --- HLafonte@aol.com wrote: > I have added some information on device drawing to > help explain operation. > Thanks, > Butch > HREF="http://hometown.aol.com/hlafonte/index.html">LaFonte > Research site 1 > or > http://hometown.aol.com/hlafonte/index.html > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 12 06:34:19 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA30091; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 06:34:14 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 06:34:14 -0700 Message-ID: <3802C544.80CF4A89@mail.admiral.ru> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 08:21:08 +0300 From: "Alexander V. Frolov" Reply-To: a2509@yahoo.com, frolov@mail.admiral.ru Organization: Home Lab X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: energy21@listbot.com Subject: Lafonte version of known Japan motor by Kure Tekko References: <0.af8b634e.2533cc3b@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"_L4j93.0.4M7.LZp0u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12489 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Sometime it is important to know original version of the idea to work for optimal design. In Japan motor that was described in 1979 the gradient of force between magnet rotor and magnet stator produce rotational momentum. Why? I described the principle in my papers http://www.time-machine.spb.ru/papers.htm as electrical field gradient. For mathematics form the idea here is second derivation of potential. First derivation for potential is the intensity of field (magnet of electrical field) and the second one is the force action of the field. Alexander V. Frolov -- http://www.time-machine.spb.ru POB 37, 193024, St.-Petersburg, Russia 7-812-2747877 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 12 07:45:15 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id HAA23077; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 07:45:02 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 07:45:02 -0700 Message-ID: <38034540.3F435B16@mpinet.net> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 10:27:12 -0400 From: Jim Springer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Electrocution References: <380341A7.3F0A428@harti.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ScVL31.0.Ue5.kbq0u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12490 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Stefan et al, Sounds to me like you may have a grounding problem with your house electrical supply. Stefan Hartmann wrote: > Well, it reminds me to an observation I always do, > when I try to hook up my TV tuner card to the local cable TV > connector ! > > There is a huge voltage between the cable TV ground and > the PC ground chasis, so you could almost light up > a bulb when you connect a bulb between the cable tv > ground pole and the earth ground pole of the 220 Volts outlet. > > Always there is a spark, when I hook up the cable TV cable into the TV > tuner > input... This way the input of the TV tuner card can die sooner or > later... > > Maybe one should use this to extract usefull power !? > > Regards, Stefan. > > -- > Hartmann Multimedia Service, > Dipl. In. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany > Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 > email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net > http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! Jim -- "Education is what is left when you have forgotten everything you learned in school." Albert Einstein, 1936 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 12 07:51:57 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id HAA26277; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 07:51:54 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 07:51:54 -0700 Message-ID: <380358FB.E61BA2E9@harti.com> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 16:51:23 +0100 From: Stefan Hartmann Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: cable TV line induction voltage can be used ?? References: <380341A7.3F0A428@harti.com> <38034540.3F435B16@mpinet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"F7isa.0.UQ6.9iq0u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12491 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Jim Springer schrieb: > > Hi Stefan et al, > Sounds to me like you may have a grounding problem with your house > electrical supply. Well, maybe the cable TV line is not grounded in our house, but it is the same thing at my parent īs house. Maybe the long line cable TV is "sucking" in 50 Hz induction so there builds up a huge charge in the miles long cables ! I have to try it with my scope to see, if it is really 50 Hz AC or some DC also.... Regards, Stefan. > > Stefan Hartmann wrote: > > > Well, it reminds me to an observation I always do, > > when I try to hook up my TV tuner card to the local cable TV > > connector ! > > > > There is a huge voltage between the cable TV ground and > > the PC ground chasis, so you could almost light up > > a bulb when you connect a bulb between the cable tv > > ground pole and the earth ground pole of the 220 Volts outlet. > > > > Always there is a spark, when I hook up the cable TV cable into the TV > > tuner > > input... This way the input of the TV tuner card can die sooner or > > later... > > > > Maybe one should use this to extract usefull power !? > > > > Regards, Stefan. > > > > -- > > Hartmann Multimedia Service, > > Dipl. In. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany > > Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 > > email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net > > http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! > > Jim > -- > "Education is what is left when > you have forgotten everything > you learned in school." > Albert Einstein, 1936 -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. In. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 12 07:53:27 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id HAA27199; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 07:53:26 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 07:53:26 -0700 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on Linux X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <380341A7.3F0A428@harti.com> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 11:01:53 -0400 (EDT) Organization: Society for Real Time Sender: chuck@samd.atl.s2systems.com From: Charlie Hodgson To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Electrocution Resent-Message-ID: <"EJiOS2.0.pe6.bjq0u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12492 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On 12-Oct-99 Stefan Hartmann wrote: > >> While I haven't investigated this, I think more is involved than >> Aluminum Siding. I have 4 4" x 5" galvanized steel plates attached >> to a PVC frame which is attached to my house, aboud 8' off the >> ground. (I use these for some Hieronymous type experiments). Anyhow, >> I get my 2KV (60 Hz) transformer to spark about the same distance to >> these plates as to ground. yet my VOM shows open to ground. I'm not >> arcing through the connecting wires. Don't know what it is, but I >> found it interesting and figure I have more to learn. >> > > Well, it reminds me to an observation I always do, > when I try to hook up my TV tuner card to the local cable TV > connector ! > > There is a huge voltage between the cable TV ground and > the PC ground chasis, so you could almost light up > a bulb when you connect a bulb between the cable tv > ground pole and the earth ground pole of the 220 Volts outlet. Hmm, in the US cable, phone and gas lines are all tied to the ground rod used for electrical service. Im surprised that you get that much of a difference between the two devices. Are you certain you don't have a ground fault someplace? Though, this reminds me of onther thing we did as kids. Before the days of grounded outlets, we could get a 'nice' shock by touching the stove and refrigerator at the same time. To avoid it, we used to flip one of the plugs around. Charlie. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 12 09:19:48 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA31971; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 09:19:38 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 09:19:38 -0700 Message-ID: <38035A11.2F129801@mpinet.net> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 11:56:01 -0400 From: Jim Springer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: cable TV line induction voltage can be used ?? References: <380341A7.3F0A428@harti.com> <38034540.3F435B16@mpinet.net> <380358FB.E61BA2E9@harti.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"vrh982.0.Sp7.P-r0u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12493 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Stefan, What I was thinking was you may have a relatively high resistance path to ground on your house supply and low resistance on the cable ground. I know my cable is grounded immediately at the splitter on the side of my house. I don't think coax would pick up too much 50Hz due to the shielding of the wire. I would also imagine that the cable company's pedistal etc. where your wire terminates is grounded also. Wonder what problems that would cause for cable modems? Jim Stefan Hartmann wrote: > > Jim Springer schrieb: > > > > Hi Stefan et al, > > Sounds to me like you may have a grounding problem with your house > > electrical supply. > > Well, maybe the cable TV line is not grounded in our house, > but it is the same thing at my parent īs house. > Maybe the long line cable TV is "sucking" in 50 Hz induction > so there builds up a huge charge in the miles long cables ! > > I have to try it with my scope to see, if it is really 50 Hz AC or > some DC also.... > > Regards, Stefan. > > > > > Stefan Hartmann wrote: > > > > > Well, it reminds me to an observation I always do, > > > when I try to hook up my TV tuner card to the local cable TV > > > connector ! > > > > > > There is a huge voltage between the cable TV ground and > > > the PC ground chasis, so you could almost light up > > > a bulb when you connect a bulb between the cable tv > > > ground pole and the earth ground pole of the 220 Volts outlet. > > > > > > Always there is a spark, when I hook up the cable TV cable into the TV > > > tuner > > > input... This way the input of the TV tuner card can die sooner or > > > later... > > > > > > Maybe one should use this to extract usefull power !? > > > > > > Regards, Stefan. > > > > > > -- > > > Hartmann Multimedia Service, > > > Dipl. In. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany > > > Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 > > > email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net > > > http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! > > > > Jim > > -- > > "Education is what is left when > > you have forgotten everything > > you learned in school." > > Albert Einstein, 1936 > > -- > Hartmann Multimedia Service, > Dipl. In. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany > Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 > email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net > http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! -- "Education is what is left when you have forgotten everything you learned in school." Albert Einstein, 1936 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 12 09:36:28 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA08618; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 09:36:26 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 09:36:26 -0700 From: tgrimes1@juno.com To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 12:18:40 -0400 Subject: Re: Electrocution Message-ID: <19991012.122935.-432871.0.tgrimes1@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 2.0.11 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-4,10-11,15-17 X-Juno-Att: 0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"S9DS-.0.U62.9Es0u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12494 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >Though, this reminds me of onther thing we did as kids. Before the >days of grounded outlets, we could get a 'nice' shock by touching >the stove and refrigerator at the same time. To avoid it, we used >to flip one of the plugs around. I have noticed a similar effect with fluorescent lights. One side of the AC line is connected directly to the end of the tube, and the other goes through the ballast and switch. So, I have been very mildly shocked just replacing a tube, and I found that this can be avoided by turning the plug over so that the grounded side of the AC is connected through to the tubes. Along a side issue, can you use high frequency to more efficiently step down voltage? I know that it works to step it up, as in a Tesla coil, but I would like to design a fairly simple circuit that will output a lot a current at a low voltage. -Tom ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 12 09:48:55 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA15933; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 09:48:51 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 09:48:51 -0700 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on Linux X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <19991012.122935.-432871.0.tgrimes1@juno.com> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 12:57:26 -0400 (EDT) Organization: Society for Real Time Sender: chuck@samd.atl.s2systems.com From: Charlie Hodgson To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Electrocution Resent-Message-ID: <"pYMBa3.0.su3.pPs0u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12495 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On 12-Oct-99 tgrimes1@juno.com wrote: > Along a side issue, can you use high frequency to more efficiently step > down voltage? I know that it works to step it up, as in a Tesla coil, > but I would like to design a fairly simple circuit that will output a lot > a current at a low voltage. The higher the frequency, the smaller the transformer needed. Look at a switching power supply. It uses tiny transformers yet delivers 20A at 5V + 8A at 12V. A 60 Hz transformer capable of delivering that much current would cost many times more than the price of an already built switcher. Charlie From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 12 11:15:11 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA27060; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 11:14:52 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 11:14:52 -0700 From: HLafonte@aol.com Message-ID: <0.12138cd8.2534d494@aol.com> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 14:14:44 EDT Subject: Re: Info. added to drawing To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, energy21@listbot.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Resent-Message-ID: <"0ZrQ61.0.hc6.Sgt0u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12496 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: In a message dated 10/12/99 8:24:10 AM Central Daylight Time, brettnichols@yahoo.com writes: > How has your latest test performed? > Will it spin? I am very interested. Thanks for > freely posting your material. Brett, I ran a test and found the rotor want to "hang up" at the top where the stator ends. The repulsion magnets did not have enough force to pull them out of this "hang up". I solved that problem by changing the stator so it goes around to the repulsion magnets with the air gap constant. The attraction magnet on the rotor just swings right by the top magnet with no resistance to speak of ! Now I have to "tune" the repulsion magnets to match the attraction magnets with equal but opposite force. This is a very well proven concept and it is just going to be a matter of time in getting this done. The stator bar is back at the fabricator being reshaped now. I have good feeling about this design and I have a special configuration in the back of my head, but will wait till this design is complete and tested. Also, notice the top attraction magnet could be removed and the repulsion magnets "tuned" to match the rotor to stator attraction force only. I will keep you posted of test results. Photos coming soon. Keep in touch, Butch LaFonte From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 12 11:54:07 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA11466; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 11:53:57 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 11:53:57 -0700 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Red-Leader" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 13:54:37 +0000 Subject: Re: Electrocution Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-Id: <19991012135442.154d1350.in@smtp.dabney.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"Nq6z-1.0.2p2.4Fu0u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12497 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Tom, > Along a side issue, can you use high frequency to more efficiently step > down voltage? I know that it works to step it up, as in a Tesla coil, > but I would like to design a fairly simple circuit that will output a lot > a current at a low voltage. Yes indeed. This is how switching power supplys like the ones used in computers work. They will produce large amounts of current but use very small transformers because they're using high frequency. Emmett ======= >o< ========= Emmett Hawkins "Red-Leader" Red-Leader@Dabney.com ========<*>========== From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 12 13:05:53 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA08976; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 13:05:41 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 13:05:41 -0700 Message-ID: <3803942E.CF5BBC3A@verisoft.com.tr> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 23:03:58 +0300 From: hamdi ucar X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,tr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg , vortex Subject: A new gravitation/unification paper (gr-qc/9910036) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"hi8tU.0.yB2.KIv0u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12498 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/gr-qc/9910036 http://xxx.lanl.gov/html/gr-qc/9910036 Gravitation and Electromagnetism ; Correlation and Grand Unification Fran De Aquino Physics Department, Maranhão State University, S. Luís, MA, Brazil. It is demonstrated that gravitational and inertial masses are correlated by an electromagnetic factor. From the practical point of view this is very important because it means the possibility of electromagnetic control of the gravity. Some theoretical consequences of the correlation are: incorporation of Mach's principle into Gravitation Theory; new relativistic expression for the mass ; the generalization of Newton’s second law for the motion; the deduction of the differential equation for entropy directly from the Gravitation Theory. Another fundamental consequence of the mentioned correlation is that , in specific ultra-high energy conditions, the gravitational and electromagnetic fields can be described by the same Hamiltonian , i.e., in these circumstances, they are unified ! Such conditions can have occurred inclusive in the Initial Universe , before the first spontaneous breaking of symmetry. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 12 13:29:12 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA22739; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 13:29:04 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 13:29:04 -0700 X-Fidalgo-Track-MAIL-A: pm3-2-dyn11.skagit.fidalgo.net [209.102.74.26] X-Fidalgo-Track-MAIL-B: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 13:28:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <00c001bf14ef$a5aed160$49b6bfd1@w7o9k8> From: "Fred Epps" To: "Free Energy" Subject: Lorentz force and drag Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 13:22:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00BD_01BF14B4.E3D63B80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"elZAP3.0.BZ5.Gev0u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12499 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00BD_01BF14B4.E3D63B80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Folks, Reading Frank Earl's coments about Lorentz forces in electric motors got = me to thinking about how drag occurs in such motors. I thought of an = example where I can't quite see where the drag would come in. Maybe = somebody can figure it out. Picture a solid copper cylinder. Around it is a rotor consisting of two = permanent magnets with poles facing each other through the center of the = stator cylinder. When this rotor revolves, the moving field passes = though the center of the cylinder at right angles to its length. This is = a form of Barlow disc generator. When the rotor is turning, a DC current is generated along the length of = the cylinder from Lorentz force, assuming the ends of the cylinder are = connected through a circuit. The magnetic field of the output current is = at right angles to the field of the permanent magnet rotor and is = aligned along the circumference of the stator cylinder. This output = field is static since the output current is DC. As far as I can tell, the effect of this field is only to push the rotor = field out of the stator. It doesn't LOAD the rotor in the conventional = sense of producing a counter torque to the rotor's movement. Hoe can it = load the rotor when its field is always at right angles to it? Since the stator field pushes the rotor field out of the cylinder, and = there is no current when there is no rotor field in the cylinder, a sort = of equilibrium would be reached wtih SOME current generated in the = stator, I guess. But at no time would there be drag on the rotor, as far = as I can tell. It's a very simple device to draw, but it is harder to describe. Write = me if you want a drawing.=20 Fred ------=_NextPart_000_00BD_01BF14B4.E3D63B80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Folks,
 
Reading Frank Earl's coments about = Lorentz=20 forces in electric motors got me to thinking about how drag occurs in = such=20 motors.  I thought of an example where I can't quite see where the = drag=20 would come in. Maybe somebody can figure it out.
 
Picture a solid copper cylinder. = Around it is a=20 rotor consisting of two permanent magnets with poles facing each other = through=20 the center of the stator cylinder. When this rotor revolves, the moving = field=20 passes though the center of the cylinder at right angles to its length. = This is=20 a form of Barlow disc generator.
 
When the rotor is turning, a DC = current is=20 generated along the length of the cylinder from Lorentz force, assuming = the ends=20 of the cylinder are connected through a circuit. The magnetic field of = the=20 output current is at right angles to the field of the permanent magnet = rotor and=20 is aligned along the circumference of the stator cylinder. This output = field is=20 static since the output current is DC.
 
As far as I can tell, the effect of = this field=20 is only to push the rotor field out of the stator. It doesn't LOAD the = rotor in=20 the conventional sense of producing a counter torque to the rotor's = movement.=20 Hoe can it load the rotor when its field is always at right angles to=20 it?
 
Since the stator field pushes the = rotor field=20 out of the cylinder, and there is no current when there is no rotor = field in the=20 cylinder, a sort of equilibrium would be reached wtih SOME current = generated in=20 the stator, I guess. But at no time would there be drag on the rotor, as = far as=20 I can tell.
 
It's a very simple device to draw, = but it is=20 harder to describe.  Write me if you want a = drawing. 
 
Fred
------=_NextPart_000_00BD_01BF14B4.E3D63B80-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 12 13:47:34 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA02109; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 13:47:09 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 13:47:09 -0700 From: dtmiller@midiowa.net (Dean T. Miller) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Electrocution Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 20:46:57 GMT Organization: Miller and Associates Reply-To: dtmiller@midiowa.net Message-ID: <38079dc2.140653022@mail.midiowa.net> References: <380341A7.3F0A428@harti.com> In-Reply-To: <380341A7.3F0A428@harti.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id NAA02073 Resent-Message-ID: <"ja_Rx2.0.sW.Cvv0u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12500 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Stefan, On Tue, 12 Oct 1999 15:11:51 +0100, Stefan Hartmann wrote: >There is a huge voltage between the cable TV ground and >the PC ground chasis, so you could almost light up >a bulb when you connect a bulb between the cable tv >ground pole and the earth ground pole of the 220 Volts outlet. > >Always there is a spark, when I hook up the cable TV cable into the TV >tuner >input... This way the input of the TV tuner card can die sooner or >later... Whoa. Something isn't grounded, or the wall outlets are improperly wired! There should NEVER be a voltage difference between the grounds of two AC powered units. Something's dangerously wrong! -- Dean -- from (almost) Duh Moines (CDP, KB0ZDF) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 12 19:37:47 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA14756; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 19:37:20 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 19:37:20 -0700 From: dave.tingley@juno.com To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 22:20:41 -0400 Subject: Re: Lorentz force and drag Message-ID: <19991012.222151.238.0.dave.tingley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 3.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-4,6-47,50 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 Resent-Message-ID: <"kUNmp.0.Tc3.V1_0u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12501 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Please send me a drawing. Unless I'm reading it wrong, it sounds to me like a N-machine only turning the magnet instead of the disk. Dave On Tue, 12 Oct 1999 13:22:53 -0700 "Fred Epps" writes: > Hi Folks, > > Reading Frank Earl's coments about Lorentz forces in electric motors > got me to thinking about how drag occurs in such motors. I thought > of an example where I can't quite see where the drag would come in. > Maybe somebody can figure it out. > > Picture a solid copper cylinder. Around it is a rotor consisting of > two permanent magnets with poles facing each other through the > center of the stator cylinder. When this rotor revolves, the moving > field passes though the center of the cylinder at right angles to > its length. This is a form of Barlow disc generator. > > When the rotor is turning, a DC current is generated along the > length of the cylinder from Lorentz force, assuming the ends of the > cylinder are connected through a circuit. The magnetic field of the > output current is at right angles to the field of the permanent > magnet rotor and is aligned along the circumference of the stator > cylinder. This output field is static since the output current is > DC. > > As far as I can tell, the effect of this field is only to push the > rotor field out of the stator. It doesn't LOAD the rotor in the > conventional sense of producing a counter torque to the rotor's > movement. Hoe can it load the rotor when its field is always at > right angles to it? > > Since the stator field pushes the rotor field out of the cylinder, > and there is no current when there is no rotor field in the > cylinder, a sort of equilibrium would be reached wtih SOME current > generated in the stator, I guess. But at no time would there be drag > on the rotor, as far as I can tell. > > It's a very simple device to draw, but it is harder to describe. > Write me if you want a drawing. > > Fred ================================================ dave.tingley@juno.com http://dave_tingley.tripod.com "I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." --Thomas Jefferson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 12 22:12:23 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA26920; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 22:12:13 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 22:12:13 -0700 From: JNaudin509@aol.com Message-ID: <0.1a42df86.25356e0c@aol.com> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 01:09:32 EDT Subject: The "Vortex Sphere" experiment To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 166 Resent-Message-ID: <"AM63q.0.Ta6.jI11u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12502 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dear All, The Vortex Sphere device is a very simple experiment for the study of a closed vortex in motion. With this device you will be able to see and study by yourself the path of the fluid flow while the vortex is active. The "Vortex Sphere" experiment is now on my web see at: http://members.xoom.com/jlnlabs/html/vtxsph.htm Best Regards, Jean-Louis Naudin Email: Jnaudin509@aol.com Overunity Web site: http://members.aol.com/jnaudin509/index.htm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 13 01:08:20 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id BAA03520; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 01:08:10 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 01:08:10 -0700 Message-ID: <19991013080810.59359.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [152.163.204.79] From: "Randy Hargraves" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Howard Johnson's PermMag Motor/Trever] Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 01:08:08 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"vMmn3.0.vs.gt31u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12503 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: ><< Hi Trevor Sleath >reports on the rotary motor. There were 2 referred to in the artical. along with the pictures. they were used in the court room in his 10 or 15 year struggle to get his letters of Patent. >Over burrened the patent? By over "Burrening the patent" I am referring to the patent holders right to "exploite the patent" or the right to hinder it's use. which in some cases is an natural event, as in the case of a patent that buy nature can not be economically anvantagous. However, in this case he priced it out of the market. If I recall correctly, he was licensing the right to make it for only one year , for something like $100,000 &&&&&& You had to purchase all of the componites to make it from him, so as to alow Him to continue to make his fair share of profit. How ever, as far as I can see he can't protect or restrick the principles by which it works. any more than the 1st patent holder of the internal Gasoline engine could keep others from patenting a differently desinged internal engine. there are a lot of patents on gas engines. however in this geograghical location, usa, there may be powers in place to keep that from happening. Please, for give me on my reading & spelling abilities, but I am going to school now and hope toget better. I hope to take adding also. Trever Sleath, Do you live any were near Oklahoma?????????? Randy Hargraves Randy, Carol, Dacia, Kensi, Hargraves 966 Castlebury Mansion Yukon, Oklahoma 73099-2102 randy_hargraves@hotmail.com 1-405-354-0033 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 13 04:01:06 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id EAA27367; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 04:00:58 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 04:00:58 -0700 Message-ID: <38046863.88808FE0@erie.net> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 07:09:23 -0400 From: Norm Biss X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freenrg-l@eskimo.com" Subject: [Fwd: [free_energy] Joe Newman's motor explained] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------52AA7398DD9F46988318F25E" Resent-Message-ID: <"rF_-01.0.Rh6.gP61u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12504 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------52AA7398DD9F46988318F25E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here is an interesting analysis of the function of the Newman Motor. Can anybody tell me if this is correct. I understand most of it, but nothing was said about more power out, than power in. Regards, Norm -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [free_energy] Joe Newman's motor explained Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 06:18:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Wolfgang Metzler To: free_energy@onelist.com From: Wolfgang Metzler Subject: Joe Newman's motor explained My name is Wolfgang Metzler, and I am new to this list. I hope no one is offended by the subject matter. The following information explains why no motor can ever reach over unity. There are several motors being demonstrated by their inventors whereby the inventors are claiming more output than input. These inventors do not have the full information required to properly test their inventions. Because electricity and magnetism are complicated subjects which on the surface appear to be simple, most people are easily convinced when presented with partial data concerning these subjects. I will endeavor to enlighten you. Since these motors use permanent magnets, I will limit my explanation to the PM motor, although there are four types of DC motors, and they basically all function identically. These four types are the PM motor, the Series motor, the Shunt motor, and the Compound motor. The simplest DC motor has a wound armature and permanent magnet fields. Two permanent magnets are mounted in an iron shell so that one is north and one is south with respect to the armature. The magnetic lines of force go from the north pole through the armature to the south pole and then return to the north pole through the iron shell. This shell is referred to as back-iron. The armature is the electromagnet. The coils of the armature are all soldered to segments of the commutator. These segments, or bars, act as a sliding switch, switching the current from the line to certain windings of the armature. The brushes, which are the other side of the sliding switch, carry the current from the line to the commutator segments. I am using the term "line" to refer to the input to the motor because it is more economically feasible to use a variac as opposed to batteries, although the function will be identical. The brushes are stationary and positioned so that they will energize the coils of the armature in such a way that they create poles. But as the armature turns, the position of these poles in relation to the brushes does not change.The brushes are positioned so that the armature poles will repel the stationary field poles producing torque and rotation. To fully understand what happens as the speed of the armature increases, it is necessary to understand how voltage is generated in a DC Generator. A DC Generator and a DC Motor are identical in structure and are interchangeable. Any DC Motor can be used as a Generator, and any DC Generator can be used as a motor with only a minor change in the connections. The following are factors that pertain to both. When a conductor (wires of the armature) cuts the lines of force (magnetic field of the stator), a voltage is generated in that conductor (wires of the armature). There are three factors which govern the amount of voltage generated: 1. The number of lines of force being cut. 2. The speed at which the conductors are cutting the lines of force. 3. The number of conductors cutting the lines of force. When voltage is generated in an armature, the current flows in the opposite direction through the armature, as it would if the unit were being used as a motor. When a DC Generator is added to a DC power line, the output voltage of the Generator must be equal to the line voltage. If the Generator cannot produce enough voltage, it will become a motor and use power instead of generating it, and the current will reverse in the armature. Likewise, if a motor is pulled faster than its adjusted speed, it will generate power. When this happens, the current in the armature will reverse and put power back on the line. This is why Joe Newman's motor charges his batteries. But then, any DC Motor will do the same under these conditions. COUNTER ELECTROMOTIVE FORCE As soon as there is rotation of the armature in a motor, the lines of force from the fields are cut by the windings of the armature, generating a voltage. This voltage is the opposite polarity of line (or applied) voltage. [The current flows in the opposite direction in the armature of a Generator]. The result of this is that the voltage generated is subtracted from the applied, or line, voltage. This voltage is called "Counter" or "Back Electromotive Force" (Back EMF). One volt of back emf cancels the effect of one volt of line, or applied voltage. As the armature turns faster, more back emf, or counter emf is generated. As more voltage or back emf is generated, the applied voltage becomes less effective. The applied voltage at the brushes does not change as the armature accelerates.Back emf occurs within the turns of the armature winding. Each turn of the armature generates a portion of the totalback emf. The turns near the center of the pole generate more than do those at the outer edges. The turns are in series with one another, and because of this, the voltage generated in each turn adds to the next in its ability to counter the applied voltage. In other words, it is cumulative. Counter emf can be compared to an automobile battery being charged. When the battery is low, the charging amps are high. This is because of the large difference between the charging voltage and the low battery voltage. As the battery becomes charged, the battery voltage goes up, becoming closer to that of the charger. When this happens, the current flow goes down. If the battery voltage equals that of the charger, no current will flow. As back emf builds within the turns of the armature, less current will flow. Less current will produce less magnetism and less torque. The armature will reach a speed at which the generated back emf and the load will not let it go any faster. If the load is decreased, the motor will speed-up slightly. This increase in speed will generate more back emf. The increase in back emf will reduce the effect of the applied voltage, and the current will be reduced. The speed will again stabilize. There is very little difference between full-load rpms and no-load rpms. THE VOLTAGE GENERATED AS BACK EMF IS ALWAYS LESS THAN THE APPLIED VOLTAGE! Without back emf, the current would be excessive in the armature circuit, and it would burn out. The speed of the permanent-magnet motor can now be explained. As the speed of the permanent-magnet motor increases, the lines of force from the permanent magnets are cut. This generates back emf in the armature. The top speed will be determined by the load, the back emf, and the applied voltage. The speed of this type of motor is controlled by decreasing the applied voltage to the armature. The speed range can be full-voltage, full-load speed, and below. The speed and the torque will vary with the voltage, and the amperage will be reduced with the speed. This has nothing what-so-ever to do with E=MC*2, gyroscopic particles or massergies. These terms employed by the inventor are an attempt to explain what is happening within his motor, and they have a way of impressing the lay public. Joe Newman's motor turns at such slow speeds, that it can never power an auxiliary Generator. The speed of the Newman Motor is, at best, a few hundred RPMs, while a Generator requires 3600 RPM to operate. It is all well and good to take the figures at his low RPM, and project them to what would be required of the motor at 3600 RPM, however, the motor can never attain those speeds. In addition, eventually the magnets will weaken. When that happens, there will be fewer lines of force for the armature to cut (Voltage rule #1). With fewer lines of force to cut, the armature will not generate as much back-emf at its loaded or designed rpms. The armature will speed up to generate the required back emf to stabilize the speed. If the load increases with the increase in speed, the amperes of the armature circuit will also increase. At this point, both the speed and the amperes are excessive, and so the armature will burn out. Joe Newman claims that he sets his brushes outside the neutral zone in order to generate more back emf. For the record, there is only so much back emf generated. The movement of the brushes to a position outside the neutral zone DOES NOT generate any additional back emf. All this does is cause instant air ionization when the heel of the brush leaves the commutator bar. It also causes glazing of the commutator, rapid erosion of the brushes and pitting on the commutator bars. Because most people do not fully understand exactly what is meant by the term "Commutation", I will try to explain in lay terms what is involved. When you fully understand commutation, you will fully understand why and how Joe Newman's Energy Machine works. It is questionable whether Joe Newman fully understands it, himself. I am further baffled by the fact that no else has came forward to explain Joe Newman's Motor. COMMUTATION The voltages generated in all conductors under a north pole of a DC Generator are in the SAME direction, and those generated in the conductors under a south pole are all in the OPPOSITE direction. Currents will flow in the SAME direction as induced voltages in GENERATORS, and in the OPPOSITE direction in motors. Therefore, as a conductor of the armature passes under a brush, its current must REVERSE from a given value in one direction to the SAME VALUE IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION. This is called "Commutation". If commutation is perfect, the change in current in a coil will be linear. Unfortunately, the conductors lie in steel slots, and self-and-mutual inductances cause voltages in the coils short-circuited by the brushes. These result in circulating currents that tend to prevent the initial currentchange, delaying the reversal. Because the current must be reversed by the time the coil (actually the commutator bar connected to the coil) leaves the brush, the current remaining to be reversed must discharge its energy in an electric arc from the commutator bar to the heel of the brush. The most important factor is the voltage drop at the sliding contact between the brush face and the copper commutator surface. During normal commutation, the brushes are set in the neutral zone, and the reversal of current takes place when the current is at its minimum. However, If you move the brushes outside the neutral zone, this reversal takes place when there is more current. This is why Joe Newman gets his POW-POW-POW effect which he attributes to his motor being unique. This also is very destructive to the brushes, commutator and windings in the armature. This also produces RF which is undesirable. The fact that the RF from Joe Newman's motor lights free-standing fluourescent bulbs is not new. I have seen janitors carrying these same type bulbs across the hangar floor, and seeing them light up when an aircraft was testing its radar system. Hopefully I have been some help in explaining Joe Newman's motor theory. Feel free to share this with anybody and everybody. Sincerely, Wolfgang The second law of thermodynamics is still in effect. __________________________________________________ FREE Email for ALL! Sign up at http://www.mail.com -------------------------------- The second law of thermodynamics is still in effect. __________________________________________________ FREE Email for ALL! Sign up at http://www.mail.com --------------52AA7398DD9F46988318F25E Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8; name="nsmail3P.TMP" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="nsmail3P.TMP" --------------52AA7398DD9F46988318F25E-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 13 06:24:22 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA05681; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 06:23:53 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 06:23:53 -0700 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on Linux X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <38046863.88808FE0@erie.net> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 09:32:23 -0400 (EDT) Organization: Society for Real Time Sender: chuck@samd.atl.s2systems.com From: Charlie Hodgson To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Fwd: [free_energy] Joe Newman's motor explained] Resent-Message-ID: <"x4YMo3.0.gO1.fV81u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12505 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On 13-Oct-99 Norm Biss wrote: > Here is an interesting analysis of the function of the Newman Motor. Can > anybody tell me if this is correct. >> Wolfgang Metzler said : >> The following information explains why no motor can ever reach over unity. This is typical of closed-minded professionals. Most of what Wolfgand said I have seen before, so it is probably 'correct' in the contect of current dogma (no pun intended). I am no fan of Newman, but I can't discredit him. I just don't like the way he operates. What this message does provide however, is of list of don'ts that should be done. I doubt that the writer has ever tried to violate these basic tenets to see what the results are. >> Joe Newman claims that he sets his brushes outside the neutral >> zone in order to generate more back emf. For the record, there >> is only so much back emf generated. The movement of the brushes >> to a position outside the neutral zone DOES NOT generate any >> additional back emf. All this does is cause instant air ionization >> when the heel of the brush leaves the commutator bar. It also >> causes glazing of the commutator, rapid erosion of the brushes and >> pitting on the commutator bars. The list has been debating this point. I would agree that in a typical motor one would want to design it such that it has a long life. And every professional designer follows the rules laid down by those that came before them. Maybe the Newman motor isn't over unity in the sense of ZPE or 'gyroscopic spin', but is that important? I think many people here want a machine that will run forever without using any consumables. While it would be nice, is it neccessary? Cold Fusion wouldn't fit the bill either then. If the Newman motor turns out to be a way of converting carbon to electricity, what's wrong with that? I feel that any device that doesn't pollute and relies only upon abundant and easily renewable resources has a future. At the minimum, it gives mankind more time to discover the next great form of energy. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 13 07:22:52 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id HAA21868; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 07:22:44 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 07:22:44 -0700 Message-ID: <007901bf1586$65748800$4df87bcb@xplornote> From: "xplorer" To: Subject: power from magnetic tape? Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 21:22:35 +0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"oLknC2.0.bL5.qM91u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12506 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: http://users.groovy.gr/~pps/index.htm get a load of that, will ya ! cheers From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 13 10:12:02 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA20029; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 10:11:47 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 10:11:47 -0700 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Red-Leader" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 12:12:57 +0000 Subject: Re: power from magnetic tape? Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-Id: <19991013121304.1a1693cb.in@smtp.dabney.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"YwP9y3.0.su4.JrB1u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12507 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > http://users.groovy.gr/~pps/index.htm > > get a load of that, will ya ! > > cheers Interesting site. It would be a lot more convenient than batteries if it works. Emmett ======= >o< ========= Emmett Hawkins "Red-Leader" Red-Leader@Dabney.com ========<*>========== From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 13 10:51:01 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA01678; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 10:50:56 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 10:50:56 -0700 Message-ID: <3804D45C.749C0290@mail.admiral.ru> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 21:50:04 +0300 From: "Alexander V. Frolov" Reply-To: a2509@yahoo.com, frolov@mail.admiral.ru Organization: Home Lab X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: power from magnetic tape? References: <007901bf1586$65748800$4df87bcb@xplornote> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"FTL0J2.0.2Q.0QC1u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12508 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hello, Where is the "power" from magnet here? He is talking about something for magnet tape and recording process... Alexander V. Frolov ------- xplorer wrote: > http://users.groovy.gr/~pps/index.htm > > get a load of that, will ya ! > > cheers -- http://www.time-machine.spb.ru POB 37, 193024, St.-Petersburg, Russia 7-812-2747877 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 13 11:30:14 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA16321; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 11:30:07 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 11:30:07 -0700 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on Linux X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3804D45C.749C0290@mail.admiral.ru> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 14:38:38 -0400 (EDT) Organization: Society for Real Time Sender: chuck@samd.atl.s2systems.com From: Charlie Hodgson To: "Alexander V. Frolov" Subject: Re: power from magnetic tape? Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Resent-Message-ID: <"10XN5.0.w-3.l-C1u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12509 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On 13-Oct-99 Alexander V. Frolov wrote: > Hello, > > Where is the "power" from magnet here? He is talking about something for > magnet tape and recording process... No, if you read on he is claiming that a special head design, coupled with a special sawtooth wave recorded on tape will produce a lot of power. Read the FAQ section, since it explains the process a little better. Charlie From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 13 11:50:47 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA26704; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 11:50:44 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 11:50:44 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 08:50:34 -1000 Subject: Re: [Fwd: [free_energy] Joe Newman's motor explained] From: "Rick Monteverde" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <199910131450509.SM00103@[192.168.0.2]> Resent-Message-ID: <"9DBKE1.0.9X6.3ID1u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12510 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Norm quotes Wolfgang Metzler (from another list or e-mail): > In addition, eventually the magnets will weaken. Oops, busted.... - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 13 15:47:05 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA29371; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 15:46:47 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 15:46:47 -0700 Message-ID: <38050659.61CECFE6@infovia.com.ar> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 19:23:23 -0300 From: Juan de la Cruz Barrios X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [es] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: es MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: OFF TOPIC: mail problems References: <19991013121304.1a1693cb.in@smtp.dabney.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Q32jj2.0.qA7.NlG1u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12511 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hello Fred et al, I'm still with problems to send a mail to you.... Synthesized: Thanks very much. At the rest, sorry this off topic post. Regards, Juan. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 13 17:50:40 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA17238; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 17:50:26 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 17:50:26 -0700 Message-ID: <38052A61.429D@lcia.com> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 20:57:05 -0400 From: B25B@LCIA.COM (RON BRENNEN) Reply-To: b25b@LCIA.COM X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Black light power Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"33xiF2.0.BD4.HZI1u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12512 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi all, Does anyone have a patent number for Black Light? Thanks, Ron From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 13 18:36:09 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA02066; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 18:35:49 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 18:35:49 -0700 Message-Id: <199910140139.XAA22532@bigbox.plug-in.com.br> From: "Marcelo Puhl" Organization: Computec Ltda To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 23:36:02 -2 Subject: Klingon Disruptor ! Reply-to: mark@plug-in.com.br CC: energy21@listbot.com Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12) Resent-Message-ID: <"EmCyu.0.AW.rDJ1u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12513 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: http://www.theregister.co.uk/990910-000015.html Posted 10/09/99 12:12pm by Lucy Sherriff Build your own Klingon disruptor Fancy building your own Klingon Disruptor? An ex-US Navy engineer has done just that for the bargain price of $500. The gadget fiend has built a 'gun', using readily available hardware, that can disable almost any piece of electronic equipment from 20 feet away. It consists of a parabolic reflector, a horn antenna and two ignition coils and is powered by a car battery. When the inventor, David Schriner demonstrated his new toy at the Infowar 99 conference in Washington DC, it disrupted the PA system and two nearby PCs, which needed to be reset even after the 'gun' was switched off. The principle it exploits dates back to Tesla. In essence, the gun shoves a 20 megawatt burst of radio noise through the antenna, which then interferes with nearby electrical equipment, according to US newswire reports. Schriner said that the demonstrated was intended as a wake up call to the electronics industry. He said he wanted to show that even low budget saboteurs could inflict serious damage. He claims to have built another machine capable of crashing computers, and cars from a distance of 100 feet. That one cost him less than $300. Permanent damage is rare, Schriner says, but that is not the point. The computers at the conference worked after re-booting. "But if that happens to be a computer in a tank, or in a piece of medical equipment, how long does it take to reboot?" he asks. "By that time you could be dead." Ū Marcelo Puhl mark@plug-in.com.br ------------------------------------------- Get paid to surf the WEB ! Ganhe dinheiro enquanto surfa na Internet ! http://alladvantage.com/go.asp?refid=DTJ608 ------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 13 21:26:13 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA06924; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 21:26:02 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 21:26:02 -0700 Message-ID: <38056833.533D87C9@mail.admiral.ru> Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 08:20:51 +0300 From: "Alexander V. Frolov" Reply-To: a2509@yahoo.com, frolov@mail.admiral.ru Organization: Home Lab X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: power from magnetic tape? paper of 1994 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"foHVE3.0.2i1.QjL1u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12514 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I wrote about digital transformer in 1994. The best kind of the impulse is frequency modulation signal. Look http://www/time-machine.spb.ru/pulses.htm The induction in secondary coil is result of flux density changes. The changes can be made not only by sinusoidal law, sure. Some papers on the topic I saw in Physical Review also. Alexander V. Frolov -- http://www.time-machine.spb.ru POB 37, 193024, St.-Petersburg, Russia 7-812-2747877 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 13 21:53:11 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA19059; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 21:53:08 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 21:53:08 -0700 Message-ID: <19991014050415.10500.rocketmail@web802.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 22:04:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Fred Epps Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: mail problems To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"9h7-W.0.if4.p6M1u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12515 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Juan, I don't know what the problem is, nobody else is having any trouble. Why don't you try writing to my yahoo address, it is f_epps@yahoo.com See if that works. Fred > > I'm still with problems to send a mail to you.... > Synthesized: Thanks very much. > At the rest, sorry this off topic post. ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 14 07:27:11 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id HAA06075; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 07:26:51 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 07:26:51 -0700 From: "Harvey Norris" To: "Stefan Hartmann" Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Harvey D Norris comments about Dennis Lee Message-Id: <939911204.3984.134@excite.com> Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 07:26:44 PDT X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 207.205.185.93 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"5aw5P3.0.qU1.hWU1u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12516 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Tue, 12 Oct 1999 18:05:33 +0100, Stefan Hartmann wrote: > I find it very sad, that now Dennis Lee is > using the name of Tesla and is ripping off people with it. > How can we stop him ?? I guess I should have went to his web site (Dennis Lee) before making a complaint. I thought he was using the same name as a company. In the USA the rights to a company name are made when an employer identification no. is issued for that business, and no other business will be issued a no. in the same name. About 5 years ago I applied and recieved a no. for Tesla Electric Co. I now see that Dennis uses the name International Tesla Electric Co. which is perfectly acceptable. My knowledge of Dennis Lee is limited to the viewing of the Las Vegas demonstration made some time ago, entitled America's Declaration of Energy Independence. Better World Technologies marketed this, when I inquired about obtaining these tapes I was told they could be viewed on loan for $100 and if I didnt want to keep the tapes the $100 would be returned. I didnt do this and dont know if anyone else ever had a problem at getting a refund. In the demo a motor comsuming 6 amps turning an air blower is shown. Dennis proclaims that this motor is designed innefficiently, and he also has a watt meter showing a draw of 350 watts. He then shows his adaptation which only consumes 2 amps, and also the watt meter showing a 250 watt consumption. He then concludes that his motor draws 1/3 of the former energy simply because it draws 1/3 the amperage. He should not make such unscientific claims, when the wattmeter tells the real story. Dennis also tells being thrown in prison for a civil offence misdemeanor although there was no trial or actual charge against him, sounds fishy. Just seems like his claims are over exagerrated. To attend his lectures cost 75 dollars with an additional 200 dollars cost held by an fudiciary party, refundable if and when he does not supply a free electricity machine for your house. It just sounds like a scam to me, but he may convince other less knowledgable people. He also says he started out with 50 million dollars, quite an unusual claim. I aint biting. HDN > Ted Gondert schrieb: > > > > Stefan Hartmann wrote: > > > > > > Hi Ted, > > > well yes, Harvey Norris is pretty much into Tesla... > > > He almosts looks like him, too ! > > > :) > > > > > Thank you for reply. > > > > It seems there is only one picture of TESLA. I've seen same one at > > http://www.teslaelectric.com and on Microsoft Encyclopedia 98, etc. > > You think there would be another photograph. > > Ted Gondert > There is another one, should be available in the several biographies HDN ________________________________________________________________ Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 14 19:43:02 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA28045; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 19:42:48 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 19:42:48 -0700 From: "Harvey Norris" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Joe Newman's motor explained] Message-Id: <939955356.27849.748@excite.com> Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 19:42:36 PDT X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 207.205.184.117 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"Hi6U41.0.6s6.dIf1u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12517 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Wed, 13 Oct 1999 07:09:23 -0400, Norm Biss wrote: > Here is an interesting analysis of the function of the Newman Motor. Can anybody tell me if this is > correct. > I understand most of it, but nothing was said about more power out, than power in. > > Regards, > > Norm > Thanx for this excellent info in previous post, which I have deleted in reply due to size. I do not know if I can agree with all of it. The difference between a generator and a motor function can simply be stated that they are 90 degrees out of phase. What this means is that when an AC generator is putting out max amperage:(top of the sine wave), and we compared that to the same instant in time if the device were functioning in reverse as a motor: it would then be consuming zero amperage instantly in the same relative field/armature position, and not another equivalent action of accepting full amperage. This is because the polarity reversal of input amperage as a motor occurs exactly at the same time as maximum amperage out as a generator action in reverse. This is a poor way of trying to explain, but it simply means that the polarity changes that occur on generator/motor actions are shifted 90 degrees with respect to both models. Additionally this ONLY applies to the polar interaction of field/armature, which everything is built on this principle, and NOT a Newman design where a magnet rotates on the side of the coil, but I assume a motor rebuilder of your credentials is well aware of these facts. Not to beat a old horse here, but since I have not seen it mentioned by others I will state again some further facts you may not be aware of. When a magnet is rotated on the side of a coil and the amperage observed on an oscilloscope as a sine wave, it is in phase with the imposed flux change. The above described condition of motor/generator actions being 90 degrees out of phase do not apply in this special circumstance. In the side model action a motor does exactly act as a generator in reverse. The reason this design is never used commercially is probably due to the torque interaction between field and magnet/armature being much weaker. If one also puts the coil with the poles facing a rotating magnet as in conventional design, as paradoxical as it may sound, it is my observation that the current in the coil observed on the scope occurs after the magnet has rotated 90 degrees. Please understand that these observations may not hold for ferromagnetism, as this was done with air core coils as Newman uses. Thus in this second polar example the coil is acting exactly as if an AC current was inputed from the wall, it acts from its inductive reactance to deliver a current 90 degrees later than the source voltage change, or in this case of a rotating magnet, 90 degrees later from the impressed flux change of the rotating magnet. Thus by analogy we can see that the rotating side magnet/coil acts as a resonant input, while the polar model acts as a non resonant input, exactly similar to inductive reactance actions. Because of the fact that Newman uses this side design, and has noted a double reversal action from scope readings where the width of the magnet vs width of coil inner diameter produced this sort of double reversal, the idea of making a hybrid pole/side coil arrangement is initially considered not worth exploring or even rediculous. It is also rediculous not to look past ones nose to explore new possibilities. That was exactly what I did in 1992! I used 2 polar coils in coordination with 2 side coils for a total of 4 field coils, and I will have to say this more than once because of misbelief or ignorance. While the polar coils normally give the strongest torque on a magnet rotor suspended on an axis, and the side coils normally give the weaker, when they are combined they give a torque stronger than either method alone! This occurs at the position when the magnet sweeps the side of the coil, exactly similar to Newman device, only that torque is opposite to its normal action with the side coils acting alone. It is stronger than what the polar coils will produce when the magnet is near the poles of those field coils! What this means is that the polar coils can blink on and off instead of the side ones to make a momentary fwd emf effect on the whole system instead of a back emf. This is however speculation, as I have not done this. However if anyone on the list doubts what I am saying here I will go out of my way to copy the vhs tape record of this copper magnetic motor and send it to them. I think I posted this idea on freenrg archives as Magnetic Compression. When the scope was connected to the 4 coils in series and the magnet rotor was spun, it produced something resembling a square wave. Recall that normally the polar coils produced a current after the fact of the flux change: 90 degrees out of phase. At the same time this occurs the magnet is already sweeping the side coils, with their instantaneous resonant action and by reversing the common sense connections to these coils in series, they will also provide a current in the same direction, filling in the missing portion of the of the double reversal normally observed when the polar coils are used alone. I think I volunteered to send this tape to stefan hartman and JL Naudin, but they may not be able to understand english as a language without a program to translate, as occurs on this list. These two individuals have done more to make others realize that Newman may not be talking total nonscense, although no one can work with Newman, that is not their fault. In other unrelated matters I accidentally posted a private letter to freenrg from stefan, sorry about this mistake, I was in a hurry going to work and did not read all mail. The past work with the dual alternators has stopped for a while pending completion of a HDPE electrolysisor designed in conjunction with the alternators to produce results.First these must be tested to see if heat will be a problem with this pliable material. If and when all these problems are solved a unit will be offered to the public for other potential Browns Gas experimentors. sincere in the truth; Harvey D Norris tesla4@excite.com ________________________________________________________________ Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 15 13:24:11 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA24197; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 13:23:52 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 13:23:52 -0700 Message-ID: <002501bf174b$3a6ef700$71fc9cd1@computer> From: "KIMBERLY MOORE" To: , Cc: Subject: Re: Klingon Disruptor ! Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 16:24:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"i-O7N1.0.rv5.Oru1u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12518 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: -----Original Message----- From: Marcelo Puhl To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Cc: energy21@listbot.com Date: Wednesday, October 13, 1999 9:36 PM Subject: Klingon Disruptor ! > > >http://www.theregister.co.uk/990910-000015.html > > > Posted 10/09/99 12:12pm by Lucy Sherriff > > Build your own Klingon disruptor > >Fancy building your own Klingon Disruptor? An ex-US Navy engineer has >done just that for the bargain price of $500. The gadget fiend has built a 'gun', >using readily available hardware, that can disable almost any piece of >electronic equipment from 20 feet away. > >It consists of a parabolic reflector, a horn antenna and two ignition coils and >is powered by a car battery. When the inventor, David Schriner demonstrated >his new toy at the Infowar 99 conference in Washington DC, it disrupted the >PA system and two nearby PCs, which needed to be reset even after the >'gun' was switched off. > >The principle it exploits dates back to Tesla. In essence, the gun shoves a >20 megawatt burst of radio noise through the antenna, which then interferes >with nearby electrical equipment, according to US newswire reports. > >Schriner said that the demonstrated was intended as a wake up call to the >electronics industry. He said he wanted to show that even low budget >saboteurs could inflict serious damage. He claims to have built another >machine capable of crashing computers, and cars from a distance of 100 >feet. That one cost him less than $300. > >Permanent damage is rare, Schriner says, but that is not the point. The >computers at the conference worked after re-booting. "But if that happens to >be a computer in a tank, or in a piece of medical equipment, how long does >it take to reboot?" he asks. > >"By that time you could be dead." Ū > > >Marcelo Puhl >mark@plug-in.com.br >------------------------------------------- >Get paid to surf the WEB ! >Ganhe dinheiro enquanto surfa na Internet ! >http://alladvantage.com/go.asp?refid=DTJ608 >------------------------------------------- >Does anybody know the operational concepts behind this disruptor? I am dying to build one..Any Ideas?? HELP--- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 15 18:20:32 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA08697; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 18:20:26 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 18:20:26 -0700 Message-ID: <000a01bf1774$9755efe0$7af87bcb@xplornote> From: "xplorer" To: , Cc: Subject: Taint the Science [ex: Klingon Disruptor !] Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 08:17:03 +0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"k1nCF3.0.o72.PBz1u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12519 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: -----Original Message----- From: KIMBERLY MOORE To: mark@plug-in.com.br ; freenrg-l@eskimo.com Cc: energy21@listbot.com Date: 1999 October 16, Saturday 03:34 Subject: Re: Klingon Disruptor ! >http://www.theregister.co.uk/990910-000015.html > > Posted 10/09/99 12:12pm by Lucy Sherriff > > Build your own Klingon disruptor > >Fancy building your own Klingon Disruptor? An ex-US Navy engineer has >done just that for the bargain price of $500. The gadget fiend has built a 'gun', >using readily available hardware, that can disable almost any piece of >electronic equipment from 20 feet away. > >It consists of a parabolic reflector, a horn antenna and two ignition coils and >is powered by a car battery. Duelling tesla coils powered by a single 12v battery wave shifted through the horn antenna where the wave propagates into the parabola which defines the fresnel dimension of the pulse. > > >The principle it exploits dates back to Tesla. In essence, the gun shoves a >20 megawatt burst of radio noise through the antenna, which then interferes >with nearby electrical equipment, according to US newswire reports. 40 seconds of 40 amps cycle time off a 12v 70AH battery gets you 20 megawatts for 1 millisecond, maybe. 1 millisecond of ? MHz is quite a few edges for a (CMOS?) gate to trigger off of., which is what our buddy was doing (stray logic for the cpu's diet) Expect most of the energy to come in through the cabling. This is only a toy, but how many of us could, in a matter of hours, conjure up a device capable of enough megawatts to toast chips ? Getting distance might be problematic, but with the power supplies currently on the market (consumer, under $1000 USD) someone could bring the banking and telecommunications industries to a brickwall halt. > > > >Permanent damage is rare, Schriner says, but that is not the point. This is crippled logic: the point is, it won't take much time and effort to make this device capable of permanent damage. > >------------------------------------------- >Does anybody know the operational concepts behind this disruptor? >I am dying to build one..Any Ideas?? HELP--- Ok - I told you how to build one, now you PLease die ! We needed the wakeup call but we don't need the terrorism just yet... ... how many of you have computers ready for these kinds of games ? ... how many of you have bank accounts ready for this brave new world ? ... and if the telephone doesn't work anymore, there won't be anyone to call... The information on how to do this has been publicly available for about 20 years, but with the internet we can all start to worry just how long it will be before someone irresponsibly uses this. Last night (as on many occasions in the past year) I drove through the site of a major conflict between those who have power and those who don't. The police and military were going home to get some rest, and all the rioters had retreated into the night, streetworkers were cleaning up the debris of another hard day's riot. Rocks, broken bottles and glass, blood and scraps of debris were disappearing into the wastebins of Jakarta's history. As we drove through, I marvelled at how this event transpired: the authorities are (almost daily) fending off the ranks of thousands of emotionally high-strung youth without resorting to deadly force (most of the time, anyway - there are exceptions, of course, as in any conflict of this nature). The youth (and various other political adherents) are armed with megaphones, rocks, sticks, molotovs and perhaps other minor weapons. Imagine what they could achieve if they only had a few of these devices ! All the progress made over the past year at the sacrifice of an uncounted number of lives would go right out the window. This place would collapse into a heap of burning coals, as the general populace would no longer feel it necessary to follow any kind of law whatsoever. Who cares if you rob a bank, when no one knows how much money it has anyway ? Why not rape your neighbors wife - the police are too busy putting out fires and fighting looters to care, even if you could call them (the telephone doesn't work anymore, remember ?) You don't really care anymore because you haven't got any money at all, and the corner grocery before it burned down, was only accepting gold for payment anyway as ATMs and credit cards had become roadside litter. We are, at the best of times, only human skin deep. Inventions such as this are necessary, but we need some sort of inoculation period so we can prepare society for this stuff. Perhaps we should propagate this knowledge, but with a defect to ensure the shortsightedness of anger does not destroy the fruits of our technology orchard. ICQ 52281118 (until the internet access dries up !) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 15 18:53:23 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA20941; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 18:53:16 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 18:53:16 -0700 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Red-Leader" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 20:55:14 +0000 Subject: Re: Klingon Disruptor ! Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-Id: <19991015205518.2641e346.in@smtp.dabney.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"FoJIV.0.675.Cgz1u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12520 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: "KIMBERLY MOORE" wrote: > Does anybody know the operational concepts behind this disruptor? > I am dying to build one..Any Ideas?? HELP--- It is a really interesting sounding project. Do a search for "David Schriner", the inventor of the device, and there will be some interesting web pages, including one that has a transcript of his presentation. None of the pages I've seen so far have plans or anything, they're trying to figure out how to defeat the device and keep it from being used. One had a basic outline of the type of device he had, but that's all I've found so far. Emmett ======= >o< ========= Emmett Hawkins "Red-Leader" Red-Leader@Dabney.com ========<*>========== From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 15 22:46:23 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA19208; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 22:46:08 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 22:46:08 -0700 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991016011859.009dfb70@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: rymel@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 01:45:58 -0400 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rymel Subject: Re: Taint the Science, program the children [ex: Klingon Disruptor !] In-Reply-To: <000a01bf1774$9755efe0$7af87bcb@xplornote> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"12CI22.0.1i4.W412u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12521 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: taint the science? please, it's people like you that keep this stuff under the table for so long. have you ever been told not to do something only to want to do it even more? that's what you're doing, i seriously hope you don't think you're helping by saying "bad hobbyist! no pulse disruptor experimentation for you!" >Ok - I told you how to build one, now you PLease die ! >We needed the wakeup call but we don't > need the terrorism just yet... i think you should drop dead before Ms. Moore should, seeing as how you're being so anal about sharing information if you've already given it approx. 20+ lines up from your last comment. Hypocrisy doesn't help your terrorism argument any... >... how many of you have computers ready for these kinds of games ? >... how many of you have bank accounts ready for this brave new world ? >... and if the telephone doesn't work anymore, there won't be anyone to >call... > >The information on how to do this has been publicly available for about 20 >years, > but with the internet we can all start to worry just how long it will be >before > someone irresponsibly uses this. Are you some kind of agitated parent that watched too many talk shows? Do you think EVERY kid in the world uses things irresponsibly just because of a few examples? can you DEFINE irresponsible for your neighbor? how bout his friend? his cousin? your ideas of irresponsibility may be totally different than those around you, so don't speak so quickly about the "evils" of the internet and the "evil" children experimenting with new concepts. >The youth (and various other political adherents) are armed with megaphones, >rocks, sticks, molotovs and perhaps other minor weapons. >Imagine what they could achieve if they only had a few of these devices ! >All the progress made over the past year at the sacrifice of an uncounted >number of lives would go right out the window. This place would collapse >into a heap of >burning coals, as the general populace would no longer feel it necessary >to follow any kind >of law whatsoever. Do you have to use a riot as an example? No wonder you're so paranoid. you used the worst example of irresponsibility. check the ratio of the kids participating in that riot as opposed to the total number of kids in the world, and you tell me if that small percentage really should be dictating how you decide to restrict information to the youth. your exaggerations make me sick. "all the progress made over the past year would be lost?" c'mon! where do you think we are, the middle ages? where a simple revolt would set back the country for months? And if you're so smart, you should know the definition of anarchy. you can't HAVE a world based on anarchy, it's impossible. not because of the meaning but because people will always congregate into some sort of organized group for the better good. If you tout yourself as an anarchist, you're just lying to yourself. where did the information you use come from? you certainly couldn't make it all up yourself. you had help. that goes against anarchy. so why would the general populace no longer feel it necessary to follow any kind of law? >Who cares if you rob a bank, when no one knows how much money it has anyway? >Why not rape your neighbors wife - the police are too busy putting out fires >and fighting looters to care, even if you could call them (the telephone >doesn't work anymore, >remember ?) >You don't really care anymore because you haven't got any money at all, and >the corner grocery > before it burned down, was only accepting gold for payment anyway as ATMs >and credit cards > had become roadside litter. who cares if you blow something up in your garage and seriously injure yourself, if nobody benefits from the accident? why not shoot your cat or dog? the ASPCA is too busy monitoring the animals in hollywood. I think you're just another schmuck built from the pretty colors of television, believing all that crap they feed you about delinquents all over the nation and how they'll destroy the world, which is only a few billion or trillion times larger than they are. yep, totally capable of destroying the world with a disruptor that only goes 20 feet. almighty power baby. >We are, at the best of times, only human skin deep. >Inventions such as this are necessary, but we need some sort of > inoculation period so we can prepare society for this stuff. last i checked, the military gives us their technology like, every 50 years or so, once it's outlived its use for them or is old enough for the general idiocy--oops, public, to "understand" it, or so they think. and you wanna add MORE time to this waiting period? >Perhaps we should propagate this knowledge, > but with a defect to ensure the shortsightedness of anger > does not destroy the fruits of our technology orchard. i gotta congratulate you though. you are most definately a product of a capitalist nation. you followed your school curriculum well. enjoy the next brainwash. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 16 07:06:15 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id HAA24365; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 07:06:03 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 07:06:03 -0700 From: tgrimes1@juno.com To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 09:58:53 -0400 Subject: Re: Taint the Science, program the children [ex: Klingon Disruptor !] Message-ID: <19991016.095922.-429651.1.tgrimes1@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 2.0.11 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-7,11-12,19-20,23-24 X-Juno-Att: 0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"H7CWm3.0.Xy5.BP82u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12522 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Rymel writes: >i gotta congratulate you though. you are most definately a product of >a >capitalist nation. you followed your school curriculum well. enjoy the >next >brainwash. > It is obvious that the writer of this has a problem. Can't you even capitalize properly? Incidentally, I live and learn in a capitalist nation, so the curriculum can't be all that bad if I can write more grammatically correct e-mails. There are idiots everywhere: in all countries, from all backgrounds. To pronounce idiocy or ignorance as a product of capitalism is a sign of a grudge that the writer holds against capitalism. Is the writer a communist? A socialist? A fascist? We all have seen the product of these belief systems. Based on the fruit of each system, capitalism protects science and development much better than any of the previously mentioned systems. If you're going to bash someone, or something, present some evidence and let the reader decide for himself. Unless it is your intent to brainwash them. -Tom ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! 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From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 16 08:17:25 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id IAA05967; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 08:17:15 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 08:17:15 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.16.19991016080538.2267fa88@earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (16) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 08:05:38 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: Lorentz force and drag In-Reply-To: <00c001bf14ef$a5aed160$49b6bfd1@w7o9k8> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"g5kO81.0.5T1.wR92u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12523 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Fred and all, At 01:22 PM 10/12/99 -0700, you wrote: >Hi Folks, > >Reading Frank Earl's coments about Lorentz forces in electric motors got me to thinking about how drag occurs in such motors. I thought of an example where I can't quite see where the drag would come in. Maybe somebody can figure it out. > >Picture a solid copper cylinder. Around it is a rotor consisting of two permanent magnets with poles facing each other through the center of the stator cylinder. When this rotor revolves, the moving field passes though the center of the cylinder at right angles to its length. This is a form of Barlow disc generator. > >When the rotor is turning, a DC current is generated along the length of the >cylinder from Lorentz force, assuming the ends of the cylinder are connected >through a circuit. >The magnetic field of the output current is at right angles to the field of >the permanent magnet rotor and is aligned along the circumference of the >stator cylinder. This output field is static since the output current is DC. Do I picture it right with one N and one S pole facing the cylinder? I don't think there will be a potential generated along the length of the cylinder, if you consider the entire cylinder together. Picture one strip of the cylinder and another opposite (180 degrees) it. When the N pole is approaching one, for example, the S pole is the other. Currents flow in opposite direction and you have a shorted loop, its field is what reacts with the N-S rotating magnets. For the cylinder as a whole, there are equal currents in both directions. No external circuit is connected. It actually sounds like an induction motor where the magnetic fields rotate mechanically vs. electrically and the stator windings (cylinder) are all shorted at the ends, so there is no external electrical output just the drag. If you want an external current, you need a homopolar configuration, that is, one pole inside the (hollow) cylinder and one pole outside. Is there any reason you have the cylinder fixed and the magnets rotating? -Dave > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 16 09:44:55 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA27536; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 09:44:46 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 09:44:46 -0700 Message-ID: <3808B964.D1869DAA@harti.com> Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 18:44:04 +0100 From: Stefan Hartmann Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Free Energy , Newman-L Mailing List Subject: Anybody else experimenting with =?iso-8859-1?Q?ATGROUP=B4s?= DCG ? X-Priority: 2 (High) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"cdh5D1.0.5k6.zjA2u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12524 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi, I have bought the DCG CD-ROM from ATGROUP. Has anybody else done this also and is also experimenting with it in this moment ? I would like to share a few ideas with someone, who is also ACTIVELY working with it right now. Please let me know. I will not accept any statements like: "Please send me the ideas too" I have promised them not to give out their basic ideas, so they can still sell their CD-Roms. So you must send me a picture from their CD-ROM, so I know you really have bought their CD-ROM. Thanks a lot in advance. Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. In. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 16 11:39:44 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA24621; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 11:39:35 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 11:39:35 -0700 X-Sender: knuke@mail.lcia.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: knuke@LCIA.COM (Michael T Huffman) Subject: Re: Taint the Science, program the children [ex: Klingon Disruptor !] Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 14:47:34 -0400 Message-ID: <19991016184734515.AAA300@mail.lcia.com@lizard> Resent-Message-ID: <"I1pvt1.0.c06.cPC2u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12525 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Many industries are already aware of this danger and have taken steps to protect against it. Not all though. A good friend of mine just finished constructing a dual parabolic EMP testing chamber system for a large automaker to test their automobiles. I know Boeing has had protection against this sort of thing incorporated into the electrical systems of their airplanes for some years. It's not as bad as you think, although there still is an awareness gap that exists. One thing that you could do to prevent the apocalyptic scenario is to publish information on how to construct quick and dirty, low-cost TEMPEST shielding. It would allow people to take measures on their own to protect their electrical equipment from a damaging attack. I know some of the basics, but I don't know exactly how I would build this type of shield. If you are knowledgable in this field, perhaps you could enlighten the rest of us as to the particulars for protecting our equipment. Knuke Michael T. Huffman Huffman Technology Company 1121 Dustin Drive The Villages, Florida 32159 (352)259-1276 knuke@LCIA.COM http://www.aa.net/~knuke/index.htm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 16 12:10:31 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA30753; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 12:10:27 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 12:10:27 -0700 Message-ID: <3808CDBF.6041A455@glasnet.ru> Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 23:10:55 +0400 From: "Sergei M.Godin" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Anybody else experimenting with =?koi8-r?Q?ATGROUP=B4s?= DCG ? References: <3808B964.D1869DAA@harti.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"N63In2.0.QW7.ZsC2u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12526 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I do not know, that is inside this device, but I believe, that if it there is enough seriously, this device immediately would appear in the market. Otherwise it is simple a trick with galvanic elements or with alfa-emitters like radium chloride. SMG. Stefan Hartmann wrote: > > Hi, > > I have bought the DCG CD-ROM from ATGROUP. > > Has anybody else done this also and is also experimenting with it in > this moment ? > > I would like to share a few ideas with someone, who is also ACTIVELY > working with it > right now. > > Please let me know. > I will not accept any statements like: > "Please send me the ideas too" > > I have promised them not to give out their basic ideas, so they can > still sell > their CD-Roms. > > So you must send me a picture from their CD-ROM, so I know you really > have bought their > CD-ROM. > > Thanks a lot in advance. > > Regards, Stefan. > > -- > Hartmann Multimedia Service, > Dipl. In. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany > Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 > email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net > http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 16 14:13:55 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA29772; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 14:13:30 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 14:13:30 -0700 Message-ID: <3808C0C5.27D@intergate.bc.ca> Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 14:15:33 -0400 From: Alik Shereshevsky Reply-To: alik@intergate.bc.ca X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (OS/2; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Taint the Science, program the children [ex: Klingon Disruptor !] References: <19991016184734515.AAA300@mail.lcia.com@lizard> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"RZNTN1.0.5H7.vfE2u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12527 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Actually all the information on building these things is available from patent servers. There is SAIC patent for rumored LAPD car zapper, Gyrotron mm-wave RF weapons, whole bunch of explosively driven flux-compression devices all the way back to 60's (Los Alomos has been playing with Russian-supplied units for years now). There is even an electrically initiated fusion device that superficially looks like an electrically ignited H-bmb. The simplest version is a large HV spark through dielectric fluid inside a wideband antenna-like structure. The reason for fluid is to keep the electrode spacing short in order to achieve fast rise time. Same applies to Tempest, there are piles of patents on RF shielding. And all the information about reading data from other people's computers can be found by searching "van'eck" & "tempest" on internet. So for everyone upset about nasty military not sharing, all you have to do is ask. Regarding earlier complaint about capitalist system, you should really try all the available alternatives before complaining. I have to run , there are 2 black cars with tinted windows coming through the drivewa-y-y-y-y....... Alik S. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 16 14:26:35 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA32464; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 14:26:30 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 14:26:30 -0700 Message-ID: <3808C3CF.598E@intergate.bc.ca> Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 14:28:31 -0400 From: Alik Shereshevsky Reply-To: alik@intergate.bc.ca X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (OS/2; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Taint the Science, program the children [ex: Klingon Disruptor !] References: <19991016184734515.AAA300@mail.lcia.com@lizard> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"WEMOE1.0.5x7.5sE2u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12528 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: If > you are knowledgable in this field, perhaps you could enlighten the rest of > us as to the particulars for protecting our equipment. > > Knuke > The cheapest way to get tempest computer is to buy a tempest pc-box at a drmo sale. I have seen crates of them sold for very little here in Canada. If you simply back-up your data regularly and have a good power-filter there is very little an EMP-wielding neighbor can do to you, unless you have a mission-critical-real-time application running on your PC. Real EMP hardening will cost much more than a typical Pentium PC is worth unless you buy it from surplus sources. The other problem is making sure that your shielding really is and continues to be effective. Uncle Sam has humongous test rigs like EMPRESS that can test an entire aircraft or a ship. Lately they have been negligent in terms of hardening, have allowed commercial PCs into weapon systems and will likely regret it one day. The bigger problem is crap like Win NT finding its way into combat sytems (see the semi-hushed-up story of USS Yorktown completely disabled for hours by Windoze). For neat coutersurveillance stuff see Granite Group web site tcsm.com (technical countersurveillance measures) I think. Have fun and play safely. Alik From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 16 14:40:23 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA03378; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 14:40:16 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 14:40:16 -0700 Message-ID: <3808FE67.3DE3497D@harti.com> Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 23:38:31 +0100 From: Stefan Hartmann Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, "Sergei M.Godin" Subject: Re: Anybody else experimenting with =?iso-8859-1?Q?ATGROUP=B4s?= DCG ? X-Priority: 2 (High) References: <3808B964.D1869DAA@harti.com> <3808CDBF.6041A455@glasnet.ru> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"CQadc3.0.hq.03F2u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12529 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: "Sergei M.Godin" schrieb: > > I do not know, that is inside this device, but I believe, > that if it there is enough seriously, this device immediately > would appear in the market. It surely will. They announced a 3 Watts Eternal light device for November 99 ! >Otherwise it is simple a trick with > galvanic elements or with alfa-emitters like radium chloride. No, it is not a TMB type device, totally different and pretty easy ! :) It is a Displacement Current Generator, that it is why it is called DCG ! With my current experiments I can light 2 small Neon bulbs with 160 milliWatts of input power, but the real interesting thing is the incremental efficiency ! Still need to build a better input power supply for it though... to get more free power out of it ! Regards, Stefan. > SMG. > > Stefan Hartmann wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > I have bought the DCG CD-ROM from ATGROUP. > > > > Has anybody else done this also and is also experimenting with it in > > this moment ? > > > > I would like to share a few ideas with someone, who is also ACTIVELY > > working with it > > right now. > > > > Please let me know. > > I will not accept any statements like: > > "Please send me the ideas too" > > > > I have promised them not to give out their basic ideas, so they can > > still sell > > their CD-Roms. > > > > So you must send me a picture from their CD-ROM, so I know you really > > have bought their > > CD-ROM. > > > > Thanks a lot in advance. > > > > Regards, Stefan. > > > > -- > > Hartmann Multimedia Service, > > Dipl. In. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany > > Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 > > email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net > > http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. In. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 16 20:36:22 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA12885; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 20:35:58 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 20:35:58 -0700 From: "Harvey Norris" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Unsubscribe Message-Id: <940131348.13540.435@excite.com> Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 20:35:48 PDT X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 207.205.185.158 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"b_kbW3.0.E93.UGK2u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12530 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: The primary reason for exposing ideas on a list is that they can be placed in an archive, without censorship or omission. I now wondere when I made a groundbreaking comment, whether it has even been made or observed by others on this list. Anyone wondering why the govt itself might be willing to censore my comments should be immediately be directed to my appropriate comments at http://www.insidetheweb.com/mbs.cgi/mb124201 under latest post of electrolysizor design. When I recieve a letter from freenrg-l, I assume everyone else recieves the letter. However when that letter does not appear in the archive, that makes me wonder why? What also makes me wonder why is that no one wishes to comment on this most unusual observation I have made, and to even look at the evidence I can freely provide. It may be the case that everyone did recieve the letter, in which case no one need read further. I will simply repeat it again and everyone can go back to their own agenda. On Wed, 13 Oct 1999 07:09:23 -0400, Norm Biss wrote: > Here is an interesting analysis of the function of the Newman Motor. Can anybody tell me if this is > correct. > I understand most of it, but nothing was said about more power out, than power in. > > Regards, > > Norm > Thanx for this excellent info in previous post, which I have deleted in reply due to size. I do not know if I can agree with all of it. The difference between a generator and a motor function can simply be stated that they are 90 degrees out of phase. What this means is that when an AC generator is putting out max amperage:(top of the sine wave), and we compared that to the same instant in time if the device were functioning in reverse as a motor: it would then be consuming zero amperage instantly in the same relative field/armature position, and not another equivalent action of accepting full amperage. This is because the polarity reversal of input amperage as a motor occurs exactly at the same time as maximum amperage out as a generator action in reverse. This is a poor way of trying to explain, but it simply means that the polarity changes that occur on generator/motor actions are shifted 90 degrees with respect to both models. Additionally this ONLY applies to the polar interaction of field/armature, which everything is built on this principle, and NOT a Newman design where a magnet rotates on the side of the coil, but I assume a motor rebuilder of your credentials is well aware of these facts. Not to beat a old horse here, but since I have not seen it mentioned by others I will state again some further facts you may not be aware of. When a magnet is rotated on the side of a coil and the amperage observed on an oscilloscope as a sine wave, it is in phase with the imposed flux change. The above described condition of motor/generator actions being 90 degrees out of phase do not apply in this special circumstance. In the side model action a motor does exactly act as a generator in reverse. The reason this design is never used commercially is probably due to the torque interaction between field and magnet/armature being much weaker. If one also puts the coil with the poles facing a rotating magnet as in conventional design, as paradoxical as it may sound, it is my observation that the current in the coil observed on the scope occurs after the magnet has rotated 90 degrees. Please understand that these observations may not hold for ferromagnetism, as this was done with air core coils as Newman uses. Thus in this second polar example the coil is acting exactly as if an AC current was inputed from the wall, it acts from its inductive reactance to deliver a current 90 degrees later than the source voltage change, or in this case of a rotating magnet, 90 degrees later from the impressed flux change of the rotating magnet. Thus by analogy we can see that the rotating side magnet/coil acts as a resonant input, while the polar model acts as a non resonant input, exactly similar to inductive reactance actions. Because of the fact that Newman uses this side design, and has noted a double reversal action from scope readings where the width of the magnet vs width of coil inner diameter produced this sort of double reversal, the idea of making a hybrid pole/side coil arrangement is initially considered not worth exploring or even rediculous. It is also rediculous not to look past ones nose to explore new possibilities. That was exactly what I did in 1992! I used 2 polar coils in coordination with 2 side coils for a total of 4 field coils, and I will have to say this more than once because of misbelief or ignorance. While the polar coils normally give the strongest torque on a magnet rotor suspended on an axis, and the side coils normally give the weaker, when they are combined they give a torque stronger than either method alone! This occurs at the position when the magnet sweeps the side of the coil, exactly similar to Newman device, only that torque is opposite to its normal action with the side coils acting alone. It is stronger than what the polar coils will produce when the magnet is near the poles of those field coils! What this means is that the polar coils can blink on and off instead of the side ones to make a momentary fwd emf effect on the whole system instead of a back emf. This is however speculation, as I have not done this. However if anyone on the list doubts what I am saying here I will go out of my way to copy the vhs tape record of this copper magnetic motor and send it to them. I think I posted this idea on freenrg archives as Magnetic Compression. When the scope was connected to the 4 coils in series and the magnet rotor was spun, it produced something resembling a square wave. Recall that normally the polar coils produced a current after the fact of the flux change: 90 degrees out of phase. At the same time this occurs the magnet is already sweeping the side coils, with their instantaneous resonant action and by reversing the common sense connections to these coils in series, they will also provide a current in the same direction, filling in the missing portion of the of the double reversal normally observed when the polar coils are used alone. I think I volunteered to send this tape to stefan hartman and JL Naudin, but they may not be able to understand english as a language without a program to translate, as occurs on this list. These two individuals have done more to make others realize that Newman may not be talking total nonscense, although no one can work with Newman, that is not their fault. In other unrelated matters I accidentally posted a private letter to freenrg from stefan, sorry about this mistake, I was in a hurry going to work and did not read all mail. The past work with the dual alternators has stopped for a while pending completion of a HDPE electrolysisor designed in conjunction with the alternators to produce results.First these must be tested to see if heat will be a problem with this pliable material. If and when all these problems are solved a unit will be offered to the public for other potential Browns Gas experimentors. sincere in the truth; Harvey D Norris tesla4@excite.com ________________________________________________________________ Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 16 20:37:33 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA13709; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 20:37:26 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 20:37:26 -0700 Message-ID: <3809449F.7A92563C@microtec.net> Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 23:38:07 -0400 From: patrick tremblay X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Anybody else experimenting with =?iso-8859-1?Q?ATGROUP=B4s?= DCG ? References: <3808B964.D1869DAA@harti.com> <3808CDBF.6041A455@glasnet.ru> <3808FE67.3DE3497D@harti.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"qR5ec3.0.5M3.sHK2u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12531 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: So it's overunity and it works, when will we have the chance to buy one, and will it be for sale in canada ? Stefan Hartmann wrote: > "Sergei M.Godin" schrieb: > > > > I do not know, that is inside this device, but I believe, > > that if it there is enough seriously, this device immediately > > would appear in the market. > > It surely will. > They announced a 3 Watts Eternal light device for November 99 ! > > >Otherwise it is simple a trick with > > galvanic elements or with alfa-emitters like radium chloride. > > No, it is not a TMB type device, > totally different and pretty easy ! :) > > It is a Displacement Current Generator, that it is why it is called > DCG ! > > With my current experiments I can light 2 small Neon bulbs with 160 > milliWatts > of input power, but the real interesting thing is the > incremental efficiency ! > > Still need to build a better input power supply for it though... > to get more free power out of it ! > > Regards, Stefan. > > > SMG. > > > > Stefan Hartmann wrote: > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > I have bought the DCG CD-ROM from ATGROUP. > > > > > > Has anybody else done this also and is also experimenting with it in > > > this moment ? > > > > > > I would like to share a few ideas with someone, who is also ACTIVELY > > > working with it > > > right now. > > > > > > Please let me know. > > > I will not accept any statements like: > > > "Please send me the ideas too" > > > > > > I have promised them not to give out their basic ideas, so they can > > > still sell > > > their CD-Roms. > > > > > > So you must send me a picture from their CD-ROM, so I know you really > > > have bought their > > > CD-ROM. > > > > > > Thanks a lot in advance. > > > > > > Regards, Stefan. > > > > > > -- > > > Hartmann Multimedia Service, > > > Dipl. In. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany > > > Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 > > > email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net > > > http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! > > -- > Hartmann Multimedia Service, > Dipl. In. 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 --=====================_522475==_.ALT-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 16 21:16:17 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA24615; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 21:16:15 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 21:16:15 -0700 Message-ID: <19991017042925.24126.rocketmail@web803.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 21:29:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Fred Epps Subject: Re: Unsubscribe To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"EEJ3D1.0.W06.EsK2u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12533 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Harvey, I now > wondere when I made a > groundbreaking comment, whether it has even been > made or observed by others > on this list. I don't know about the archives, but I do read yur posts, although sometimes I get lost.. Don't give up, Harvey. I've found from long experience that usually my more trivial comments get more response than what I would consider my more important ideas. This may come about because people didn't understand what I was saying-- because I didn't express the idea clarly enough, or sometimes it is just too new or complicated to assimilate quickly. It can be discouraging but at the same time I will get letters from people 6 months later when the light bulb goes on. What also makes me wonder why is that > no one wishes to > comment on this most unusual observation I have > made, and to even look at > the evidence I can freely provide. For instance in the present case, I have read your post and reread it and I guess even though I understand the words, I don't really understand their significance. I assume if I poke at it for while, in 6 months (hopefully less) the light bulb will go on for me, and then I will write you a letter :-) Fred ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 16 22:29:06 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA08218; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 22:28:57 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 22:28:57 -0700 Message-ID: <38096C76.896E6DC2@mail.admiral.ru> Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 09:28:06 +0300 From: "Alexander V. Frolov" Reply-To: a2509@yahoo.com, frolov@mail.admiral.ru Organization: Home Lab X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: "Sergei M.Godin" Subject: Re: How much it cost to demo 3Wtt as free power output? References: <3808B964.D1869DAA@harti.com> <3808CDBF.6041A455@glasnet.ru> <3808FE67.3DE3497D@harti.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"hX2tL1.0.F02.PwL2u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12534 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hello, If some small device is working as 3 Wtts free power load, how much it cost to demo? Alexander V. Frolov ---------- Stefan Hartmann wrote: > "Sergei M.Godin" schrieb: > > > > I do not know, that is inside this device, but I believe, > > that if it there is enough seriously, this device immediately > > would appear in the market. > > It surely will. > They announced a 3 Watts Eternal light device for November 99 ! > > >Otherwise it is simple a trick with > > galvanic elements or with alfa-emitters like radium chloride. > > No, it is not a TMB type device, > totally different and pretty easy ! :) > > It is a Displacement Current Generator, that it is why it is called > DCG ! > > With my current experiments I can light 2 small Neon bulbs with 160 > milliWatts > of input power, but the real interesting thing is the > incremental efficiency ! > > Still need to build a better input power supply for it though... > to get more free power out of it ! > > Regards, Stefan. > > > SMG. > > > > Stefan Hartmann wrote: > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > I have bought the DCG CD-ROM from ATGROUP. > > > > > > Has anybody else done this also and is also experimenting with it in > > > this moment ? > > > > > > I would like to share a few ideas with someone, who is also ACTIVELY > > > working with it > > > right now. > > > > > > Please let me know. > > > I will not accept any statements like: > > > "Please send me the ideas too" > > > > > > I have promised them not to give out their basic ideas, so they can > > > still sell > > > their CD-Roms. > > > > > > So you must send me a picture from their CD-ROM, so I know you really > > > have bought their > > > CD-ROM. > > > > > > Thanks a lot in advance. > > > > > > Regards, Stefan. > > > > > > -- > > > Hartmann Multimedia Service, > > > Dipl. In. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany > > > Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 > > > email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net > > > http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! > > -- > Hartmann Multimedia Service, > Dipl. In. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany > Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 > email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net > http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! -- http://www.time-machine.spb.ru POB 37, 193024, St.-Petersburg, Russia 7-812-2747877 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 16 23:47:26 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id XAA20529; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 23:47:15 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 23:47:15 -0700 X-BPC-Relay-Envelope-From: rvanspaa@bigpond.net.au X-BPC-Relay-Envelope-To: X-BPC-Relay-Sender-Host: CPE-24-192-27-124.vic.bigpond.net.au [24.192.27.124] X-BPC-Relay-Info: Message delivered directly. From: Robin van Spaandonk To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Fwd: [free_energy] Joe Newman's motor explained] Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 16:47:09 +1000 Organization: Improving Message-ID: References: <38046863.88808FE0@erie.net> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.6/32.525 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id XAA20480 Resent-Message-ID: <"Cjxjc2.0.g05.p3N2u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12535 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Wed, 13 Oct 1999 09:32:23 -0400 (EDT), Charlie Hodgson wrote: [snip] >If the Newman motor turns out to be a way of converting carbon to >electricity, what's wrong with that? I feel that any device that >doesn't pollute and relies only upon abundant and easily renewable >resources has a future. At the minimum, it gives mankind more time >to discover the next great form of energy. The problem is that "carbon" (read coal), isn't renewable, and does harm the environment, in fact we're already using it. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 16 23:55:23 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id XAA22320; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 23:55:21 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 23:55:21 -0700 X-BPC-Relay-Envelope-From: rvanspaa@bigpond.net.au X-BPC-Relay-Envelope-To: X-BPC-Relay-Sender-Host: CPE-24-192-27-124.vic.bigpond.net.au [24.192.27.124] X-BPC-Relay-Info: Message delivered directly. From: Robin van Spaandonk To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: power from magnetic tape? Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 16:55:18 +1000 Organization: Improving Message-ID: References: <3804D45C.749C0290@mail.admiral.ru> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.6/32.525 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id XAA22298 Resent-Message-ID: <"CPcdh2.0.fS5.PBN2u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12536 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Wed, 13 Oct 1999 14:38:38 -0400 (EDT), Charlie Hodgson wrote: [snip] >No, if you read on he is claiming that a special head design, >coupled with a special sawtooth wave recorded on tape will >produce a lot of power. Read the FAQ section, since it explains >the process a little better. > >Charlie Yes, but he ignores the mechanical power required to drive the tape past the head. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 17 03:29:25 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id DAA13943; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 03:29:16 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 03:29:16 -0700 Message-ID: <3809A154.4717@xtra.co.nz> Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 23:13:40 +1300 From: Robbie Rowntree Reply-To: rown@xtra.co.nz Organization: Robbie Rowntree's Amazing Magnetic Machine's X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-XTRA (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vortexC-L@eskimo.com CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: recovering Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"5J4Y.0.mP3.xJQ2u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12537 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi all Im just finishing catching up on all the email over the last 3 weeks ,Ive had a heart attack, yea a freeking heart attack, too much stress ,energy is for free so is stress . Take it easy ,it's not easy though ,dont know what to do now. life's a ball light on one side dark on the other. catch you later! Rob -- **RRAMM** Good Waves Robbie Rowntree experimental research Self powered* on wings of cherubs*torsion Generators*+++++++++ mailto:rown@xtra.co.nz weaver of dreams **RRAMM** From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 17 03:52:10 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id DAA17839; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 03:52:07 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 03:52:07 -0700 From: "Ray Bradshaw" To: Subject: Re: recovering Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 05:54:08 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <199910170559.SM00173@ray-s-pc> Resent-Message-ID: <"ocNPg3.0.aM4.NfQ2u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12538 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Man, that isn't good news. Good news is, that you're still here with us. :) Anyways, I hope you get better after what happened. Sorry to hear it. Take it easy. -Ray ---------- > From: Robbie Rowntree > To: vortexC-L@eskimo.com > Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: recovering > Date: Sunday, October 17, 1999 5:13 AM > > Hi all Im just finishing catching up on all the email over the last > 3 weeks ,Ive had a heart attack, yea a freeking heart attack, > too much stress ,energy is for free so is stress . > Take it easy ,it's not easy though ,dont know what to do now. > life's a ball light on one side dark on the other. > catch you later! > Rob > -- > **RRAMM** > Good Waves Robbie Rowntree experimental research > Self powered* on wings of cherubs*torsion Generators*+++++++++ > mailto:rown@xtra.co.nz > weaver of dreams > **RRAMM** > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 17 07:17:35 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id HAA07773; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 07:17:15 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 07:17:15 -0700 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 07:17:03 -0700 From: "Robert Decker" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off X-Expiredinmiddle: true X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: Anybody else experimenting with =?iso-8859-1?Q?ATGROUP=B4s?= DCG ? X-Sender-Ip: 205.230.159.22 Organization: JusticeMail (http://www.justicemail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Kp9-z1.0.Lv1.gfT2u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12539 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: ATGroup no longer directly follows lists, although I tend to follow some in their interest. This thread refers to a Product they may release called 'Eternal Light'. So that the record is clear, they 'ATGroup' do not claim a new technology, rather the principle being used has been known for some 100 years. In fact of the notables, Tesla, Alexander Frolov and S.V. Avramenko have either experimented with, developed theories or working devices in a slightly different approach and direction as that of ATGroup. Release of their first product will depend totally on demand, and I can categorically state that no such demand exists as of today. They have been subjected to false requests, gamesters. To date they have been unable to verify a single pre-order. I have been asked to inform those that have asked the question of why if ATGroup has 'Eternal Light' are they worried about selling a CD ? They are not worried about such things, the CD "DOES NOT" tell one how to build 'Eternal Light', it presents an experiment on the principle from which the device was born. Bob. -- On Sat, 16 Oct 1999 23:38:07 patrick tremblay wrote: >So it's overunity and it works, > >when will we have the chance to buy one, and will it be for sale in canada ? > > >Stefan Hartmann wrote: > >> "Sergei M.Godin" schrieb: >> > >> > I do not know, that is inside this device, but I believe, >> > that if it there is enough seriously, this device immediately >> > would appear in the market. >> >> It surely will. >> They announced a 3 Watts Eternal light device for November 99 ! >> >> >Otherwise it is simple a trick with >> > galvanic elements or with alfa-emitters like radium chloride. >> >> No, it is not a TMB type device, >> totally different and pretty easy ! :) >> >> It is a Displacement Current Generator, that it is why it is called >> DCG ! >> >> With my current experiments I can light 2 small Neon bulbs with 160 >> milliWatts >> of input power, but the real interesting thing is the >> incremental efficiency ! >> >> Still need to build a better input power supply for it though... >> to get more free power out of it ! >> >> Regards, Stefan. >> >> > SMG. >> > >> > Stefan Hartmann wrote: >> > > >> > > Hi, >> > > >> > > I have bought the DCG CD-ROM from ATGROUP. >> > > >> > > Has anybody else done this also and is also experimenting with it in >> > > this moment ? >> > > >> > > I would like to share a few ideas with someone, who is also ACTIVELY >> > > working with it >> > > right now. >> > > >> > > Please let me know. >> > > I will not accept any statements like: >> > > "Please send me the ideas too" >> > > >> > > I have promised them not to give out their basic ideas, so they can >> > > still sell >> > > their CD-Roms. >> > > >> > > So you must send me a picture from their CD-ROM, so I know you really >> > > have bought their >> > > CD-ROM. >> > > >> > > Thanks a lot in advance. >> > > >> > > Regards, Stefan. >> > > >> > > -- >> > > Hartmann Multimedia Service, >> > > Dipl. In. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany >> > > Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 >> > > email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net >> > > http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! >> >> -- >> Hartmann Multimedia Service, >> Dipl. In. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany >> Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 >> email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net >> http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! > >-- >webmaster : patrick tremblay >http://www.simplcom.ca/index.html > > > Visit FindLaw at http://www.findlaw.com for free case law, web guide, and legal news, and get your free @JusticeMail.com address at http://www.justicemail.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 17 07:20:27 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id HAA08832; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 07:20:24 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 07:20:24 -0700 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, a2509@yahoo.com, frolov@mail.admiral.ru Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 07:20:22 -0700 From: "Robert Decker" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Cc: "Sergei M.Godin" X-Sent-Mail: off X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: How much it cost to demo 3Wtt as free power output? X-Sender-Ip: 205.230.159.22 Organization: JusticeMail (http://www.justicemail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"jXay_2.0.v92.eiT2u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12540 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: You can send email to them at atg0317@wt.net. The price for such a demo varies with location and who provides the facilities. On minimum it runs at this time around $150 per person. -- On Sun, 17 Oct 1999 09:28:06 Alexander V. Frolov wrote: >Hello, > >If some small device is working as 3 Wtts free power load, how much it cost >to demo? > >Alexander V. Frolov >---------- > >Stefan Hartmann wrote: > >> "Sergei M.Godin" schrieb: >> > >> > I do not know, that is inside this device, but I believe, >> > that if it there is enough seriously, this device immediately >> > would appear in the market. >> >> It surely will. >> They announced a 3 Watts Eternal light device for November 99 ! >> >> >Otherwise it is simple a trick with >> > galvanic elements or with alfa-emitters like radium chloride. >> >> No, it is not a TMB type device, >> totally different and pretty easy ! :) >> >> It is a Displacement Current Generator, that it is why it is called >> DCG ! >> >> With my current experiments I can light 2 small Neon bulbs with 160 >> milliWatts >> of input power, but the real interesting thing is the >> incremental efficiency ! >> >> Still need to build a better input power supply for it though... >> to get more free power out of it ! >> >> Regards, Stefan. >> >> > SMG. >> > >> > Stefan Hartmann wrote: >> > > >> > > Hi, >> > > >> > > I have bought the DCG CD-ROM from ATGROUP. >> > > >> > > Has anybody else done this also and is also experimenting with it in >> > > this moment ? >> > > >> > > I would like to share a few ideas with someone, who is also ACTIVELY >> > > working with it >> > > right now. >> > > >> > > Please let me know. >> > > I will not accept any statements like: >> > > "Please send me the ideas too" >> > > >> > > I have promised them not to give out their basic ideas, so they can >> > > still sell >> > > their CD-Roms. >> > > >> > > So you must send me a picture from their CD-ROM, so I know you really >> > > have bought their >> > > CD-ROM. >> > > >> > > Thanks a lot in advance. >> > > >> > > Regards, Stefan. >> > > >> > > -- >> > > Hartmann Multimedia Service, >> > > Dipl. In. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany >> > > Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 >> > > email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net >> > > http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! >> >> -- >> Hartmann Multimedia Service, >> Dipl. In. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany >> Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 >> email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net >> http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! > > > >-- >http://www.time-machine.spb.ru >POB 37, 193024, St.-Petersburg, Russia >7-812-2747877 > > > Visit FindLaw at http://www.findlaw.com for free case law, web guide, and legal news, and get your free @JusticeMail.com address at http://www.justicemail.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 17 07:37:42 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id HAA13747; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 07:37:38 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 07:37:38 -0700 Message-ID: <3809C54C.116E5149@telusplanet.net> Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 07:47:08 -0500 From: Don Adams Reply-To: donadams@telusplanet.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Unsubscribe References: <940131348.13540.435@excite.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"cqg2t3.0.hM3.oyT2u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12541 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Harvey, dont leave Harvey Norris wrote: > The primary reason for exposing ideas on a list is that they can be placed > in an archive, without censorship or omission. I now wondere when I made a > groundbreaking comment, whether it has even been made or observed by others > on this list. Anyone wondering why the govt itself might be willing to > censore my comments should be immediately be directed to my appropriate > comments at http://www.insidetheweb.com/mbs.cgi/mb124201 under latest post > of electrolysizor design. > > When I recieve a letter from freenrg-l, I assume everyone else recieves the > letter. However when that letter does not appear in the archive, that makes > me wonder why? What also makes me wonder why is that no one wishes to > comment on this most unusual observation I have made, and to even look at > the evidence I can freely provide. It may be the case that everyone did > recieve the letter, in which case no one need read further. I will simply > repeat it again and everyone can go back to their own agenda. > > On Wed, 13 Oct 1999 07:09:23 -0400, Norm Biss wrote: > > > Here is an interesting analysis of the function of > the Newman Motor. Can > anybody tell me if this is > > correct. > > I understand most of it, but nothing was said about > more power out, than > power in. > > > > Regards, > > > > Norm > > > Thanx for this excellent info in previous post, which I > have deleted in > reply due to size. I do not know if I can agree with > all of it. The > difference between a generator and a motor function can > simply be stated > that they are 90 degrees out of phase. What this means > is that when an AC > generator is putting out max amperage:(top of the sine > wave), and we > compared that to the same instant in time if the device > were functioning in > reverse as a motor: it would then be consuming zero > amperage instantly in > the same relative field/armature position, and not > another equivalent action > of accepting full amperage. This is because the > polarity reversal of input > amperage as a motor occurs exactly at the same time as > maximum amperage out > as a generator action in reverse. This is a poor way of > trying to explain, > but it simply means that the polarity changes that > occur on generator/motor > actions are shifted 90 degrees with respect to both > models. Additionally > this ONLY applies to the polar interaction of > field/armature, which > everything is built on this principle, and NOT a Newman > design where a > magnet rotates on the side of the coil, but I assume a > motor rebuilder of > your credentials is well aware of these facts. > > Not to beat a old horse here, but since I have not seen > it mentioned by > others I will state again some further facts you may > not be aware of. When a > magnet is rotated on the side of a coil and the > amperage observed on an > oscilloscope as a sine wave, it is in phase with the > imposed flux change. > The above described condition of motor/generator > actions being 90 degrees > out of phase do not apply in this special circumstance. > In the side model > action a motor does exactly act as a generator in > reverse. The reason this > design is never used commercially is probably due to > the torque interaction > between field and magnet/armature being much weaker. > If one also puts the coil with the poles facing a > rotating magnet as in > conventional design, as paradoxical as it may sound, it > is my observation > that the current in the coil observed on the scope > occurs after the magnet > has rotated 90 degrees. Please understand that these > observations may not > hold for ferromagnetism, as this was done with air core > coils as Newman > uses. Thus in this second polar example the coil is > acting exactly as if an > AC current was inputed from the wall, it acts from its > inductive reactance > to deliver a current 90 degrees later than the source > voltage change, or in > this case of a rotating magnet, 90 degrees later from > the impressed flux > change of the rotating magnet. > > Thus by analogy we can see that the rotating side > magnet/coil acts as a > resonant input, while the polar model acts as a non > resonant input, exactly > similar to inductive reactance actions. Because of the > fact that Newman uses > this side design, and has noted a double reversal > action from scope readings > where the width of the magnet vs width of coil inner > diameter produced this > sort of double reversal, the idea of making a hybrid > pole/side coil > arrangement is initially considered not worth exploring > or even rediculous. > It is also rediculous not to look past ones nose to > explore new > possibilities. That was exactly what I did in 1992! > > I used 2 polar coils in coordination with 2 side coils > for a total of 4 > field coils, and I will have to say this more than once > because of misbelief > or ignorance. > While the polar coils normally give the strongest > torque on a magnet rotor > suspended on an axis, and the side coils normally give > the weaker, when they > are combined they give a torque stronger than either > method alone! This > occurs at the position when the magnet sweeps the side > of the coil, exactly > similar to Newman device, only that torque is opposite > to its normal action > with the side coils acting alone. It is stronger than > what the polar coils > will produce when the magnet is near the poles of those > field coils! What > this means is that the polar coils can blink on and off > instead of the side > ones to make a momentary fwd emf effect on the whole > system instead of a > back emf. This is however speculation, as I have not > done this. However if > anyone on the list doubts what I am saying here I will > go out of my way to > copy the vhs tape record of this copper magnetic motor > and send it to them. > I think I posted this idea on freenrg archives as > Magnetic Compression. > > When the scope was connected to the 4 coils in series > and the magnet rotor > was spun, it produced something resembling a square > wave. Recall that > normally the polar coils produced a current after the > fact of the flux > change: 90 degrees out of phase. At the same time this > occurs the magnet is > already sweeping the side coils, with their > instantaneous resonant action > and by reversing the common sense connections to these > coils in series, they > will also provide a current in the same direction, > filling in the missing > portion of the of the double reversal normally observed > when the polar coils > are used alone. I think I volunteered to send this tape > to stefan hartman > and JL Naudin, but they may not be able to understand > english as a language > without a program to translate, as occurs on this list. > These two > individuals have done more to make others realize that > Newman may not be > talking total nonscense, although no one can work with > Newman, that is not > their fault. > > In other unrelated matters I accidentally posted a > private letter to freenrg > from stefan, sorry about this mistake, I was in a > hurry going to work and > did not read all mail. The past work with the dual > alternators has stopped > for a while pending completion of a HDPE electrolysisor > designed in > conjunction with the alternators to produce > results.First these must be > tested to see if heat will be a problem with this > pliable material. If and > when all these problems are solved a unit will be > offered to the public for > other potential Browns Gas experimentors. > sincere in the truth; Harvey D Norris tesla4@excite.com > > ________________________________________________________________ > Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com > Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com -- *********************************************************** Harry, I'm going to let you in on a little secret. Every day, once a day, give yourself a present. Don't plan it, don't wait for it, just... let it happen. -- Special Agent Dale Cooper ... ====================================================================== Don J.S. Adams, Overseer and Registered Agent for Domhnall C G N Adams - (Corporation Sole - Lawful Entity Name) RAVE Communications 206-849-7966 Cell Phone - USA 780-998-4066 Canada http://www.intergate.bc.ca/rave alt e-mail address donjsadams@rocketmail.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 17 07:46:51 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id HAA17393; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 07:46:49 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 07:46:49 -0700 From: "Martin" To: Subject: Re: Unsubscribe Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 16:48:11 +0200 Message-ID: <01bf18ae$a1f61b60$bb9c22c4@Martin.icon.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"d5uBl3.0.bF4.P5U2u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12542 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Harvey don't leave over this. Your postings are worthwhile as are anyone else's to this list. The tendency in the alternative science world to turn one's nose up at the work of others is actually something to be ashamed of and results in a lot of good work going unnoticed as the person doing it doesn't feel like releasing his findings since he feels the rest aren't going to appreciate it. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 17 09:14:46 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA02447; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 09:14:39 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 09:14:39 -0700 X-Sender: knuke@mail.lcia.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: knuke@LCIA.COM (Michael T Huffman) Subject: Re: Unsubscribe Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 12:22:40 -0400 Message-ID: <19991017162240203.AAA287@mail.lcia.com@lizard> Resent-Message-ID: <"AhsGj2.0.8c.lNV2u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12543 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hey Harvey! One possible reason that your posts are not showing up on the archive is that some people have the "replyto:" fields in their e-mail program set differently. If you'll notice, most of the headers that come through have "freenrg-l" as the "replyto:" destination, but I've seen some people, notably Stephan Hartmann, Bob Paddock, Robbie Rowntree, alik, as well as some others that I've seen, have put their own e-mail address in this field, and consequently any replies to a post of theirs that get sent, goes directly to them instead of to the listserv robot to process for all to read. It also never gets to the archive. I've caught myself replying to some of these people with what I considered to be earth shaking revelations that I wanted all to see, and then realizing my mistake and resending it to the entire group. It usually happens in the heat of the moment that I fire off a reply without checking to see if it is going to a private mailbox or if it is going to the list. I don't think its a conspiracy......, yet. ;) I'd like to encourage you to stay with the group. I haven't had the time to read all of the posts recently, but the ones of yours that I have read, I've found to be of great interest. Cheerios, Knuke Michael T. Huffman Huffman Technology Company 1121 Dustin Drive The Villages, Florida 32159 (352)259-1276 knuke@LCIA.COM http://www.aa.net/~knuke/index.htm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 17 10:08:17 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA15386; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 10:08:09 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 10:08:09 -0700 Message-ID: <3809D8C1.81B@intergate.bc.ca> Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 10:10:09 -0400 From: Alik Shereshevsky Reply-To: alik@intergate.bc.ca X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (OS/2; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Unsubscribe&responses References: <19991017162240203.AAA287@mail.lcia.com@lizard> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Dv8Oj2.0.Em3.v9W2u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12544 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Michael T Huffman wrote: > > Hey Harvey! > > One possible reason that your posts are not showing up on the archive is > that some people have the "replyto:" fields in their e-mail program set > differently. If you'll notice, most of the headers that come through have > "freenrg-l" as the "replyto:" destination, but I've seen some people, > notably Stephan Hartmann, Bob Paddock, Robbie Rowntree, alik, as well as > some others that I've seen, have put their own e-mail address in this field, > and consequently any replies to a post of theirs that get sent, goes > directly to them instead of to the listserv robot to process for all to > read. It also never gets to the archive. I've caught myself replying to > some of these people with what I considered to be earth shaking revelations > that I wanted all to see, and then realizing my mistake and resending it to > the entire group. It usually happens in the heat of the moment that I fire > off a reply without checking to see if it is going to a private mailbox or > if it is going to the list. I don't think its a conspiracy......, yet. ;) > > I'd like to encourage you to stay with the group. I haven't had the time to > read all of the posts recently, but the ones of yours that I have read, I've > found to be of great interest. > > Cheerios, > > Knuke > > Michael T. Huffman > Huffman Technology Company > 1121 Dustin Drive > The Villages, Florida 32159 > (352)259-1276 > knuke@LCIA.COM > http://www.aa.net/~knuke/index.htm You are absolutely right, I get all sorts of responses sent directly to me. I should go check if my 'brilliant insights' are properly archived for eternity, if not I am leaving too:-) Alik From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 17 10:48:32 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA26101; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 10:48:23 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 10:48:23 -0700 X-Sender: knuke@mail.lcia.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: knuke@LCIA.COM (Michael T Huffman) Subject: Re: Unsubscribe&responses Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 13:56:24 -0400 Message-ID: <19991017175624593.AAA204@mail.lcia.com@lizard> Resent-Message-ID: <"Fe25B2.0.kN6.clW2u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12545 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Alik wrote: >You are absolutely right, I get all sorts of responses sent directly to >me. I should go check if my 'brilliant insights' >are properly archived for eternity, if not I am leaving too:-) > >Alik All we have to do is make sure that our "replyto:" field is set up properly. You can change that in the configuration of your browser, it's no big deal. It's also no biggie to check for just a second the "To:" field in the replies that you make to the people on the list. If it doesn't say freenrg-l@eskimo.com in the "To:" field, I just cut and paste it from another post, so in other words, DON'T YOU LEAVE EITHER!!! ;) Knuke Michael T. Huffman Huffman Technology Company 1121 Dustin Drive The Villages, Florida 32159 (352)259-1276 knuke@LCIA.COM http://www.aa.net/~knuke/index.htm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 17 13:21:42 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA01008; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 13:21:23 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 13:21:23 -0700 From: Pepthewep@aol.com Message-ID: <0.bf0d1600.253b89b6@aol.com> Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 16:21:10 EDT Subject: Re: recovering To: rown@xtra.co.nz, vortexC-L@eskimo.com CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 41 Resent-Message-ID: <"TKRHd1.0.VF.2_Y2u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12546 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Robbie, WOW!! Please take it easy! I hope everything is now working the way it should. We're pullin' for ya', my man!! Barb c. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 17 14:49:02 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA23383; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 14:48:48 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 14:48:48 -0700 Message-ID: <380A44E7.8FD10064@Bellsouth.net> Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 17:51:36 -0400 From: John Benditt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-bls40 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Unsubscribe References: <940131348.13540.435@excite.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"3m2NW.0.Gj5._Ga2u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12547 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Unsubscribe Unsubscribe Your are a cursed and will go to HELL!! Harvey Norris wrote: Unsubscribe > The primary reason for exposing ideas on a list is that they can be placed > in an archive, without censorship or omission. I now wondere when I made a > groundbreaking comment, whether it has even been made or observed by others > on this list. Anyone wondering why the govt itself might be willing to > censore my comments should be immediately be directed to my appropriate > comments at http://www.insidetheweb.com/mbs.cgi/mb124201 under latest post > of electrolysizor design. > > When I recieve a letter from freenrg-l, I assume everyone else recieves the > letter. However when that letter does not appear in the archive, that makes > me wonder why? What also makes me wonder why is that no one wishes to > comment on this most unusual observation I have made, and to even look at > the evidence I can freely provide. It may be the case that everyone did > recieve the letter, in which case no one need read further. I will simply > repeat it again and everyone can go back to their own agenda. > > On Wed, 13 Oct 1999 07:09:23 -0400, Norm Biss wrote: > > > Here is an interesting analysis of the function of > the Newman Motor. Can > anybody tell me if this is > > correct. > > I understand most of it, but nothing was said about > more power out, than > power in. > > > > Regards, > > > > Norm > > > Thanx for this excellent info in previous post, which I > have deleted in > reply due to size. I do not know if I can agree with > all of it. The > difference between a generator and a motor function can > simply be stated > that they are 90 degrees out of phase. What this means > is that when an AC > generator is putting out max amperage:(top of the sine > wave), and we > compared that to the same instant in time if the device > were functioning in > reverse as a motor: it would then be consuming zero > amperage instantly in > the same relative field/armature position, and not > another equivalent action > of accepting full amperage. This is because the > polarity reversal of input > amperage as a motor occurs exactly at the same time as > maximum amperage out > as a generator action in reverse. This is a poor way of > trying to explain, > but it simply means that the polarity changes that > occur on generator/motor > actions are shifted 90 degrees with respect to both > models. Additionally > this ONLY applies to the polar interaction of > field/armature, which > everything is built on this principle, and NOT a Newman > design where a > magnet rotates on the side of the coil, but I assume a > motor rebuilder of > your credentials is well aware of these facts. > > Not to beat a old horse here, but since I have not seen > it mentioned by > others I will state again some further facts you may > not be aware of. When a > magnet is rotated on the side of a coil and the > amperage observed on an > oscilloscope as a sine wave, it is in phase with the > imposed flux change. > The above described condition of motor/generator > actions being 90 degrees > out of phase do not apply in this special circumstance. > In the side model > action a motor does exactly act as a generator in > reverse. The reason this > design is never used commercially is probably due to > the torque interaction > between field and magnet/armature being much weaker. > If one also puts the coil with the poles facing a > rotating magnet as in > conventional design, as paradoxical as it may sound, it > is my observation > that the current in the coil observed on the scope > occurs after the magnet > has rotated 90 degrees. Please understand that these > observations may not > hold for ferromagnetism, as this was done with air core > coils as Newman > uses. Thus in this second polar example the coil is > acting exactly as if an > AC current was inputed from the wall, it acts from its > inductive reactance > to deliver a current 90 degrees later than the source > voltage change, or in > this case of a rotating magnet, 90 degrees later from > the impressed flux > change of the rotating magnet. > > Thus by analogy we can see that the rotating side > magnet/coil acts as a > resonant input, while the polar model acts as a non > resonant input, exactly > similar to inductive reactance actions. Because of the > fact that Newman uses > this side design, and has noted a double reversal > action from scope readings > where the width of the magnet vs width of coil inner > diameter produced this > sort of double reversal, the idea of making a hybrid > pole/side coil > arrangement is initially considered not worth exploring > or even rediculous. > It is also rediculous not to look past ones nose to > explore new > possibilities. That was exactly what I did in 1992! > > I used 2 polar coils in coordination with 2 side coils > for a total of 4 > field coils, and I will have to say this more than once > because of misbelief > or ignorance. > While the polar coils normally give the strongest > torque on a magnet rotor > suspended on an axis, and the side coils normally give > the weaker, when they > are combined they give a torque stronger than either > method alone! This > occurs at the position when the magnet sweeps the side > of the coil, exactly > similar to Newman device, only that torque is opposite > to its normal action > with the side coils acting alone. It is stronger than > what the polar coils > will produce when the magnet is near the poles of those > field coils! What > this means is that the polar coils can blink on and off > instead of the side > ones to make a momentary fwd emf effect on the whole > system instead of a > back emf. This is however speculation, as I have not > done this. However if > anyone on the list doubts what I am saying here I will > go out of my way to > copy the vhs tape record of this copper magnetic motor > and send it to them. > I think I posted this idea on freenrg archives as > Magnetic Compression. > > When the scope was connected to the 4 coils in series > and the magnet rotor > was spun, it produced something resembling a square > wave. Recall that > normally the polar coils produced a current after the > fact of the flux > change: 90 degrees out of phase. At the same time this > occurs the magnet is > already sweeping the side coils, with their > instantaneous resonant action > and by reversing the common sense connections to these > coils in series, they > will also provide a current in the same direction, > filling in the missing > portion of the of the double reversal normally observed > when the polar coils > are used alone. I think I volunteered to send this tape > to stefan hartman > and JL Naudin, but they may not be able to understand > english as a language > without a program to translate, as occurs on this list. > These two > individuals have done more to make others realize that > Newman may not be > talking total nonscense, although no one can work with > Newman, that is not > their fault. > > In other unrelated matters I accidentally posted a > private letter to freenrg > from stefan, sorry about this mistake, I was in a > hurry going to work and > did not read all mail. The past work with the dual > alternators has stopped > for a while pending completion of a HDPE electrolysisor > designed in > conjunction with the alternators to produce > results.First these must be > tested to see if heat will be a problem with this > pliable material. If and > when all these problems are solved a unit will be > offered to the public for > other potential Browns Gas experimentors. > sincere in the truth; Harvey D Norris tesla4@excite.com > > ________________________________________________________________ > Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com > Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 17 15:48:32 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA06678; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 15:48:21 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 15:48:21 -0700 Message-ID: <19991017224819.83185.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [62.60.3.105] From: "Chris Moon" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Klingon Disruptor.. or aggressive modem? Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 15:48:19 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"Xkq8R3.0.Ae1.r8b2u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12548 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Ghorr Rruk char! Perhaps a more interesting idea would be to use a disrupter not so much as a mechanism to shutdown computers but to inject a chip virus into a system like a wireless modem. If the process is to remotely chuck into a PC random CMOS edges to trip the system why not a controlled set of edges with a message? Why not see if you could use the building power supply to deliver it using skin effects.. it might bypass the EM shields and UPS filters and the range problem might be eliminated. (BTW I'm not even going to experiment with this idea.. its far to worrying but if I were young and cross I don't think it would be difficult to do!) Cheers Chris M. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 17 16:53:22 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA20356; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 16:53:06 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 16:53:06 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 13:53:00 -1000 Subject: Re: Unsubscribe From: "Rick Monteverde" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <199910171952368.SM00103@[192.168.0.2]> Resent-Message-ID: <"5swUz.0.zz4.Y5c2u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12549 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: John Benditt wrote: > Unsubscribe > Your are a cursed and will go to HELL!! > > Harvey Norris wrote: > Unsubscribe > >> The primary reason for exposing ideas on a list is that they can be placed Why is that John, and what evidence do you have for your claims? - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 17 17:18:01 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA26345; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 17:17:56 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 17:17:56 -0700 X-Sender: knuke@mail.lcia.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: knuke@LCIA.COM (Michael T Huffman) Subject: Re: Unsubscribe Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 20:25:58 -0400 Message-ID: <19991018002558265.AAA297@mail.lcia.com@lizard> Resent-Message-ID: <"AY55m1.0.WR6.qSc2u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12550 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: John Benditt writes: > Unsubscribe > > Unsubscribe >Your are a cursed and will go to HELL!! A couple of points on net-etiquette, John, first we try to snip as much of the original posting as possible to avoid wasting bandwidth, and second we ask that people do their cursing of other people to hell in private e-mail. I would also recommend using a spellchecker. Knuke Michael T. Huffman Huffman Technology Company 1121 Dustin Drive The Villages, Florida 32159 (352)259-1276 knuke@LCIA.COM http://www.aa.net/~knuke/index.htm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 17 22:00:37 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA14969; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 22:00:23 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 22:00:23 -0700 Message-ID: <380AB72B.B46F074C@harti.com> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 06:59:07 +0100 From: Stefan Hartmann Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Eternal Light, Anybody else experimenting with =?iso-8859-1?Q?ATGROUP=B4s?= DCG ? X-Priority: 1 (Highest) References: <3808B964.D1869DAA@harti.com> <3808CDBF.6041A455@glasnet.ru> <3808FE67.3DE3497D@harti.com> <3809449F.7A92563C@microtec.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"otesi2.0.jf3.dbg2u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12551 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: You Patrick, you can go to their order page and read it all there: http://web.wt.net/~atg0317/products.htm Best regards, Stefan. patrick tremblay schrieb: > > So it's overunity and it works, > > when will we have the chance to buy one, and will it be for sale in canada ? > > Stefan Hartmann wrote: > > > "Sergei M.Godin" schrieb: > > > > > > I do not know, that is inside this device, but I believe, > > > that if it there is enough seriously, this device immediately > > > would appear in the market. > > > > It surely will. > > They announced a 3 Watts Eternal light device for November 99 ! > > > > >Otherwise it is simple a trick with > > > galvanic elements or with alfa-emitters like radium chloride. > > > > No, it is not a TMB type device, > > totally different and pretty easy ! :) > > > > It is a Displacement Current Generator, that it is why it is called > > DCG ! > > > > With my current experiments I can light 2 small Neon bulbs with 160 > > milliWatts > > of input power, but the real interesting thing is the > > incremental efficiency ! > > > > Still need to build a better input power supply for it though... > > to get more free power out of it ! > > > > Regards, Stefan. > > > > > SMG. > > > > > > Stefan Hartmann wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > I have bought the DCG CD-ROM from ATGROUP. > > > > > > > > Has anybody else done this also and is also experimenting with it in > > > > this moment ? > > > > > > > > I would like to share a few ideas with someone, who is also ACTIVELY > > > > working with it > > > > right now. > > > > > > > > Please let me know. > > > > I will not accept any statements like: > > > > "Please send me the ideas too" > > > > > > > > I have promised them not to give out their basic ideas, so they can > > > > still sell > > > > their CD-Roms. > > > > > > > > So you must send me a picture from their CD-ROM, so I know you really > > > > have bought their > > > > CD-ROM. > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot in advance. > > > > > > > > Regards, Stefan. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Hartmann Multimedia Service, > > > > Dipl. In. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany > > > > Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 > > > > email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net > > > > http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! > > > > -- > > Hartmann Multimedia Service, > > Dipl. In. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany > > Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 > > email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net > > http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! > > -- > webmaster : patrick tremblay > http://www.simplcom.ca/index.html -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. In. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Oct 17 23:17:12 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id XAA02549; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 23:17:01 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 23:17:01 -0700 Message-ID: <003801bf1930$c6143180$498b4fd1@srae> From: "Stuart Rae" To: "FREENRG-L" References: <940131348.13540.435@excite.com> <380A44E7.8FD10064@Bellsouth.net> Subject: Re: Unsubscribe Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 19:18:06 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id XAA02520 Resent-Message-ID: <"BURHF.0.gd.Tjh2u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12552 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: HI All, John Benditt wrote: > > Unsubscribe > Your are a cursed and will go to HELL!! > Not quite sure what you mean there John...... but......:-) As far as I'm concerned, Harvey's posts are the best thing on Bill's list since sliced bread. And I'm still very seriously cogitating on his last, and very important post. Stick with it Harvey. I think you'r a little like me. An original thinker (I hope), and a practical experimenter to boot !! There are not many of us on this particular list.......... which is a little odd I think ......!! So please keep your experimental reports and ideas coming, Best Regards, Stuart Rae S. N. Rae, Blenheim, New Zealand. srae@ihug.co.nz From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 18 05:42:18 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id FAA17681; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 05:42:05 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 05:42:05 -0700 Message-ID: <380B150D.89C566F7@verisoft.com.tr> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 15:39:41 +0300 From: hamdi ucar X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,tr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Klingon Disruptor.. or aggressive modem? References: <19991017224819.83185.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"G2CjD3.0.AK4.SMn2u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12553 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Chris Moon wrote: > > Ghorr Rruk char! > > Perhaps a more interesting idea would be to use a disrupter not so much as a > mechanism to shutdown computers but to inject a chip virus into a system > like a wireless modem. If the process is to remotely chuck into a PC random > CMOS edges to trip the system why not a controlled set of edges with a > message? > Chip virus? Is this different from the computer viruses? You dont need even such a modem, a conventional ones is already sufficient for this. :) I mean e-mail or ICQ. It is so easy and stealthy to inject (conventional, sw viruses) into computers by e-mails (even %1 success is enough to spread the virus on the n et). BTW, VB source of one of major email virus is available on the net. Regards, hamdi ucar From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 18 07:58:50 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id HAA11999; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 07:58:27 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 07:58:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on Linux X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 11:04:43 -0400 (EDT) Organization: Society for Real Time Sender: chuck@samd.atl.s2systems.com From: Charlie Hodgson To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Fwd: [free_energy] Joe Newman's motor explained] Resent-Message-ID: <"UHhVD1.0.Nx2.GMp2u"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12554 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On 17-Oct-99 Robin van Spaandonk wrote: > On Wed, 13 Oct 1999 09:32:23 -0400 (EDT), Charlie Hodgson wrote: > [snip] >>If the Newman motor turns out to be a way of converting carbon to >>electricity, what's wrong with that? I feel that any device that >>doesn't pollute and relies only upon abundant and easily renewable >>resources has a future. At the minimum, it gives mankind more time >>to discover the next great form of energy. > > The problem is that "carbon" (read coal), isn't renewable, and does harm > the environment, in fact we're already using it. You can equate carbon to coal if you like, but that's not what I said. Carbon is abundant on this planet, and the only way carbon pollutes is if I dump a drum of it on your driveway. If I dump a drum in the lake, guess what? It will absorb organic compunds and actually make the water cleaner. Ever hear of activated charcoal filters? Take a guess what they use to make it. Carbon. But you obviously missed the point of the post. Cheap energy beats (currently) non-existant free energy. I'm currently looking into Francois Cornish's Hydrogen Generator. It's not free energy by any means, but it is a way to cheaply and safely transport electricity from places where hydroelectric power is plentyful and cheap to places where it is not, like in your car. While I think that Cornish's device is impractical, the process itself warrants further investigation. If I bothered to ponder an similar carbon-oxide cycle, I'm sure one could be devised as well. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 18 09:07:05 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA00674; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 09:06:44 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 09:06:44 -0700 (PDT) From: bpaddock@csonline.net (Bob Paddock) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Unsubscribe Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 20:20:24 -0400 Organization: is mostly via piles Reply-To: bpaddock@csonline.net Message-ID: References: <19991017162240203.AAA287@mail.lcia.com@lizard> In-Reply-To: <19991017162240203.AAA287@mail.lcia.com@lizard> Lines: 21 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.37Beta [95/NT] Resent-Message-ID: <"o2ux12.0.PA.GMq2u"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12555 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >One possible reason that your posts are not showing up on the archive is >that some people have the "replyto:" fields in their e-mail program set >differently. If you'll notice, most of the headers that come through have >"freenrg-l" as the "replyto:" destination, but I've seen some people, >notably Stephan Hartmann, Bob Paddock, Robbie Rowntree, alik, as well as >some others that I've seen, have put their own e-mail address in this field, >and consequently any replies to a post of theirs that get sent, goes >directly to them instead of to the listserv robot to process for all to >read. I think it depends on what software you are using. It is rare that I get a message to me, that doesn't show up on the list, if it came from the list in the first place. If I set the ReplyTo: any differently then I would never see any replies my self. On my software, it comes up and asks me if I want to reply to the originator of the message, or the list, or both. I would hope other software does this as well. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 18 09:49:30 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA13018; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 09:49:09 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 09:49:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <380B40E1.10165E51@netzero.net> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 08:46:41 -0700 From: THE TROLL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re:Carbon References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"_8NXb1.0.EB3.-zq2u"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12556 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Folks! I am curious, what ARE the sources of carbon that is so "abundant on this planet? The only major sources of which I am aware are coal and petroleum. Wood and vegetation are sources of carbon, but major enough? Charlie........While you are dumping the drum of carbon on the driveway, can you tell us what that black stuff is that is coating most of the buildings in Europe's major cities? I read that it comes from diesel powered vehicles. Hmmmmmmm. David Charlie Hodgson wrote: > > You can equate carbon to coal if you like, but that's not what I said. > Carbon is abundant on this planet, and the only way carbon pollutes is > if I dump a drum of it on your driveway. > -- E-mail to: broompilot@juno.com (no attachments) Otherwise: broompilot@netzero.net Fax to: 1-253-681-1133 __________________________________________ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 18 11:04:06 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA03596; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 11:03:41 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 11:03:41 -0700 (PDT) From: "Martin" To: Subject: Re: Klingon Disruptor.. or aggressive modem? Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 19:34:49 +0200 Message-ID: <01bf198f$13d4e3c0$LocalHost@Martin.icon.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"i7Qir1.0.wt.l3s2u"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12557 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I suppose the below would actually be a Borg Disruptor since it assimilates the system. Don't let Microsoft see this :-) >Perhaps a more interesting idea would be to use a disrupter not so much as a >mechanism to shutdown computers but to inject a chip virus into a system >like a wireless modem. If the process is to remotely chuck into a PC random >CMOS edges to trip the system why not a controlled set of edges with a >message? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 18 13:06:03 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA17652; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 13:05:55 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 13:05:55 -0700 MR-Received: by mta EUROPA; Relayed; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 12:31:26 -0400 (EDT) MR-Received: by mta GOSIP; Relayed; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 12:31:33 -0400 (EDT) Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 12:01:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Briggs 614-752-0199 Subject: RE: Unsubscribe In-reply-to: <940131348.13540.435@excite.com> To: freenrg-l Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 12:31:00 -0400 (EDT) Importance: normal Priority: normal UA-content-id: E2266ZYDQHWJ9P X400-MTS-identifier: [;62132181019991/4185699@ODNVMS] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 2 Resent-Message-ID: <"pDikR2.0.dJ4.Yst2u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12558 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Harvey, Please don't leave. To say that your contributions are being read is an understatement. They have a certain ring to them, like something in the back of my head is saying "Hey this is important!". If only I could get the front of my head to wake up and figure it out ;^) Most of your postings go way over my head on the first reading, so I have a special folder set aside for a number of your postings. Usually I only do this for a general subject, but yours I want to be able to go over again and a again, so I want to be able to find it on the few days I'm feeling half way intelligent. If it seems that you don't get many replies, I would tend to think it's because most people are embarrassed to ask you to translate it down to our level of understanding (moron level for myself). Words like daunting and intimidating come to mind. <;^) Your presence here is very much appreciated, and we would be very sorry to see you go. Bill webriggs@concentric.net briggs@XLNsystems.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 18 16:12:54 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA08850; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 16:12:07 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 16:12:07 -0700 Message-ID: <19991018231013.21035.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [194.176.215.67] From: "Chris Moon" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Klingon Disruptor.. or aggressive modem? Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 16:10:13 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"1EllD1.0.BA2.6bw2u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12559 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Thanks for the comments chaps, (Darissh laa tarrg Chaps) a chip virus .. something that targets one or more of the integrated circuits .. more like lethal injection and wouldn't necessarily propagate as a virus ..but a bit of forced positive feedback or maybe ramp up the clock frequency a few hundred Megs or perhaps introduce a loop in the bios or introduce some extra code on an eprom chip (use the power to cook the code and leave it as a permenant feature) .. but it could be any electronics.. cars/security systems/speed traps. If a control system is installed you have degree of remote control that could be fun! its probably too subtle for klingons.. more of a stealthy Romulan trick!! maybe an extension to this would be to use an ionising beam to conduct the disrupter field to a flying object.. ............................................. Just to make it perfectly clear this is theoretical, I'm smart enough not to try.. ............................................. If the ideas are around, it would be interesting to see how they develop because if we can think them I bet some well funded group has probably already built them. So any more ideas on the topic Cheers Chris M. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 18 16:36:00 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA19469; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 16:35:49 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 16:35:49 -0700 From: "Harvey Norris" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: 4 field coil drawing Message-Id: <940289747.29205.423@excite.com> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 16:35:47 PDT X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 207.205.184.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"_OVU4.0.5m4.Lxw2u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12560 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 18 Oct 1999 12:01:58 -0400 (EDT), Bill Briggs wrote: > Harvey, > > Please don't leave. > > To say that your contributions are being read is an understatement. Thanks Bill for comment,aint necessary for my own misunderstanding of things. Sorry for my own egotism, am trying this drawing. x~= inches 1234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345 55 characters wide on this screen. Field coils are 13 by 10 inches aircore @ 20,000 winds of 23 gauge with 1000 ohms. This length of wire is 9 miles/coil for high frequency considerations. Magnet rotor consists of a total of eight 4 by 6 inch wafers of one inch width ceramic 8 material stacked on both sides of an axle on 1 1/2 steel rectangular block with a non magnetic stainless steel serving as the axle drilled one inch bore through the block. A non magnetic outer aluminum holding assembly serves to prevent shifting or possible flying apart of rotor. In drawing this is made 3 x's wide instead of 4 to center on drawing. Attached to end of axle is 5 inch radius pulley in which spring scale is measured with force measurements and these are indicated with >> xxxxxxxxxxxxx x x xN SIDE Sx x x xxxxxxxxxxxxx xNx >> 6.5 lb force xxxxxxxxxxx xxx xxxxxxxxxxx x x xxx x x xS POLAR Nx xxx xS POLAR Nx x x xxx x x xxxxxxxxxxx xxx xxxxxxxxxxx xSx xxxxxxxxxxxxx x x xN SIDE Sx x x xxxxxxxxxxxxx As drawing shows, it is not to scale and may reach as garbled info. I tried to center it. Polar coils are actually positioned a little further apart. Turning side coils off yields 2.5 lbs on spring scale in same direction and position of rotor as drawn. This is the period of weakest torque on a polar model. Turning the polar coils off with the rotor in the same position yeilds about 3.5 lbs force in the opposite direction< or to the left, and not the right as is made in diagram. In video I made in 92, I concluded that a magnet rotor could then be rotated without field coil reversals of magnetic polarity at all simply by blinking 4 coils on, and then the 2 side coils on per cycle of completion of 360 revolution. This did not turn out to be practical. Significant interference and timing problems between those systems are evident in that silly kind of a design made only to prove a point, that a magnet rotor can rotated continually on a DC field coil basis by virtue of a magnetic compression, which is what this formation seems to do by evidence of combination. At 30 degrees angle to the polar coils only 5 lbs force was recorded on the spring scale, from the magnetic axle but these were only haphazard records made. Essentially in this observation I deem it worthy of mention that a side/polar field coil arrangement as indicated delivers an esimated practical 30 % stronger torque than a convention polar model may deliver alone. HDN ________________________________________________________________ Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 18 16:38:33 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA20890; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 16:38:30 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 16:38:30 -0700 Message-ID: <001901bf19c2$bbd34c00$e66ad9d0@58hde> From: "Robert" To: References: <19991017224819.83185.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Klingon Disruptor.. or aggressive modem? Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 18:44:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"APENJ.0.J65.szw2u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12561 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Moon To: Sent: Sunday, October 17, 1999 5:48 PM Subject: Re: Klingon Disruptor.. or aggressive modem? > Ghorr Rruk char! > > Perhaps a more interesting idea would be to use a disrupter not so much as a > mechanism to shutdown computers but to inject a chip virus into a system > like a wireless modem. If the process is to remotely chuck into a PC random > CMOS edges to trip the system why not a controlled set of edges with a > message? > > Why not see if you could use the building power supply to deliver it using > skin effects.. it might bypass the EM shields and UPS filters and the range > problem might be eliminated. > > (BTW I'm not even going to experiment with this idea.. its far to worrying > but if I were young and cross I don't think it would be difficult to do!) > > Cheers > > Chris M. > Hello, Back in my younger days...with a 11 meter mobile rig and say 1500 watts output, you can wreak havac on any electrical componet. Black out Tv's, stop clocks, mess up telephones, and even make the railroad arms come down to stop traffic. Regards, Robert H. Calloway > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 18 16:44:31 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA25316; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 16:44:22 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 16:44:22 -0700 Message-ID: <380BB133.1A11@cyberportal.net> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 19:45:55 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nuenergy@listbot.com CC: nuenergy@listbot.com, freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Book orders Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Y2lTn.0.PB6.M3x2u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12562 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: For those of you who had pre-ordered my latest release, "Radiant Energy The Holy Grail," it shipped out today via Priority mail. You should be receiving your copy in a few short days. This material sent out has a very strong potential of becoming the target of our not so friendly government agencies. You will know why once you read this release. So, enjoy... the curtain is lifted, and the best is still yet to come! -Bruce A. Perreault From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 18 17:08:37 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA06046; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 17:08:22 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 17:08:22 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 17:08:19 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: "reply to" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"Amq8U2.0.NU1.rPx2u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12563 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Sun, 17 Oct 1999, Bob Paddock wrote: > I think it depends on what software you are using. It is > rare that I get a message to me, that doesn't show up on the > list, if it came from the list in the first place. Normally, when we reply to an email message, it goes to the originator of the message we are currently reading. The "reply to" line is NOT for enabling replies, and if it is left blank, replies will go where they are supposed to to. Since the "reply to" has nothing to do with normal email, it is left blank. On list servers, the software adds a "reply to: freenrg-l@eskimo.com" (or whatever,) so that any replies to the messages from the list will automatically go to the list, and not to the originator of the message. However, if an individual user has put something in their "reply to" line, then the listserver will leave it alone, and not replace it with "reply to: freenrg-L". A non-blank "reply to" line will divert the reply messages from going to freenrg-L. > If I set the ReplyTo: any differently then I would never see > any replies my self. Umm... Try setting it to blank. Normal email programs will reply to the originator, and the "reply to" line isn't needed. As far as I know, the only purpose of "reply to" is on e-lists. If you want any replies to your list messages go to you personally by default, and not to the list, then tell your email software to put your own email address in your "reply to" line. There may be other uses for "reply to", but I've never encountered them. > On my software, it comes up and asks me if I want to reply > to the originator of the message, or the list, or both. > > I would hope other software does this as well. Mine says "reply to all receipients", and if I say "no", then my reply to your message won't go to the list, it will only go to you... unless I notice what is happening, and change it manually afterwards ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com http://www.amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 18 17:24:27 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA14970; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 17:24:16 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 17:24:16 -0700 Message-ID: <380BB9ED.6C03@cyberportal.net> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 20:23:09 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com CC: nuenergy2@listbot.com, nuenergy@listbot.com Subject: [Fwd: More Human Accomplishment] Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"ND9DB.0.mf3.lex2u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12564 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Received: from smtp.net1plus.com (smtp.net1plus.com [207.77.56.8]) by mail1.fcgnetworks.net (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id NAA24107 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 13:16:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [208.220.132.120] (ip120.ts132.ma.net1plus.com [208.220.132.120]) by smtp.net1plus.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA00528; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 13:13:50 -0400 Message-Id: <199910181713.NAA00528@smtp.net1plus.com> Subject: More Human Accomplishment Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 13:15:35 -0400 x-sender: gempress@pop3.net1plus.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v3, January 22, 1998 From: Peter To: "Peter" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Dear Recipient, > >THE SITUATION > >THE NAVY IS PLANNING ANOTHER SONIC 'EXPERIMENT' INTO THE OCEANS, A BILLION >TIMES LOUDER THAN PREVIOUS SOUND DETONATIONS, IN NOVEMBER 1999, WHICH WILL >HAVE UNKNOWN, BUT PREDICTABLY DELETERIOUS EFFECTS ON CETACEANS WORLDWIDE. > > >THE STRATEGY > >You are requested to copy this letter to the editor and BCC email it to the >major newspapers email address provided below with your name, address and >phone number above the Cetacean Ambassador Network line at the bottom > >THE OBJECTIVE > >To halt the Navy SURTASS LFA sound detonation and raise public awareness >about the plight of cetaceans. > >THE POSSIBLE OUTCOME OF THIS ACTION > >If 100 of us respond by emailing this letter it's possible that millions of >readers and decision makers could be alerted to this dangerous, >disrespectful and inhuman situation our Navy is implementing on cetaceans. > > >Thank you for your assistance in this important matter. > > >Reed Behrens >Cetacean Ambassador Network > >======================================================= >The Letter to the Editor for you to copy and email: Letter to the Editor Are whales the next sacrifice on the altar of national security? Recently the US Navy conducted underwater sonic explosions louder than 747 jet engines at takeoff (140 db+) in the Maui Marine Sanctuary and birthing ground for the Humpback whales. The underwater sounds were heard from New Zealand to California. No detectable behavior changes were recorded by Navy scientists, but independent observers noted whales quickly abandoned the testing sight and altered migration routes. Perhaps coincidentally, in recent months more whales have swum ashore and died worldwide than ever recorded, including some 40 dolphin strandings off Florida -- the Navy confers no causal link to massive searing of oceans by periodic noise bombardment and whale beachings. Sperm whales have brains six times larger than ours, commonly live 200+ years, have complicated social and 'ritual' behaviors.. Modern human brains developed 100,000 years ago, whales had large brains 80,000,000 years ago. Objective planetary observers might contact whales first. Are humans too blinded by greed (the resurging whaling industry) and fear (US Navy) to notice intelligent life on Earth amongst the 83 species of whales and dolphins gliding through the Earth's waters? The media silence has been deafening regarding the Navy's insonification of the whale's oceans. Please contact President Clinton. Stop the US Navy's LFSSA sound experiments. The next blast, Nov. 1999, a billion times louder than previous detonations, will be the loudest sound ever made by humans aimed right between the ears of every whale and dolphin on Earth. > >Cetacean Ambassador Network Member >your name here__________________ >Address_______________ >Phone number_______________ > The Cetacean Ambassador Network is ....... an evolving global network catalyzing change in consciousness, education and political arenas on behalf of the 83 species of whales and dolphins, for the awakening and synchrony of the global mind. >email addresses: >letters@nytimes.com,letters@latimes.com, opinion@seatimes.com, >76322.2016@compuserv.com, letters@news.oregonian.com, >chronletters@sfgate.com, ctc-TribLetter@Tribune.com, >weekly@tokyo.nikkei.co.jp _________________________________________________________ Editor/Publisher, The Kaleidoscope Journal www.TheKaleidoscope.com www.light-waves.com * * VISIT OUR SITE & ENTER OUR FREE T-SHIRT CONTEST * * _________________________________________________________ Inspired Designs P.O. 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From: Robin van Spaandonk To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Fwd: [free_energy] Joe Newman's motor explained] Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 10:26:55 +1000 Organization: Improving Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.6/32.525 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id RAA16425 Resent-Message-ID: <"pB3FQ2.0.664.Xhx2u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12565 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 18 Oct 1999 11:04:43 -0400 (EDT), Charlie Hodgson wrote: [snip] >> The problem is that "carbon" (read coal), isn't renewable, and does harm >> the environment, in fact we're already using it. > >You can equate carbon to coal if you like, but that's not what I said. Nevertheless, the largest and cheapest source of carbon on the planet is coal. Unless you are prepared to add energy from another source, then I suspect that limestone and marble would win by a large margin. Of course, you could use a biological source, but it is debatable whether or not that would lead to a net energy gain. >Carbon is abundant on this planet, and the only way carbon pollutes is >if I dump a drum of it on your driveway. Carbon in the context of the Newman motor, as an alternate explanation of any excess produced by the motor, was originally being discussed in terms of it being burnt in the spark to provide that extra energy. The process of combustion leads to the formation of CO2, hence pollution in the form of global warming. I.e. one is substituting carbon combustion in a spark, for carbon combustion in the boiler of a power station. > >If I dump a drum in the lake, guess what? It will absorb organic >compunds and actually make the water cleaner. Ever hear of activated >charcoal filters? Take a guess what they use to make it. Carbon. Yes, I'm well aware of that, but it has no bearing whatsoever upon the use of carbon contact points/brushes in a Newman motor. > >But you obviously missed the point of the post. Somehow, I think the shoe is on the other foot. > >Cheap energy beats (currently) non-existant free energy. What makes the energy cheap? > >I'm currently looking into Francois Cornish's Hydrogen Generator. >It's not free energy by any means, but it is a way to cheaply and >safely transport electricity from places where hydroelectric power >is plentyful and cheap to places where it is not, like in your >car. While I think that Cornish's device is impractical, the >process itself warrants further investigation. This also doesn't appear to have any bearing on the Newman motor. > >If I bothered to ponder an similar carbon-oxide cycle, I'm sure one >could be devised as well. Have a go. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 18 17:33:09 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA19767; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 17:32:59 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 17:32:59 -0700 From: "AGRAZ HERNANDEZ CARLOS A." Message-Id: <199910190033.TAA29152@cc.gdl.up.mx> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 19:33:46 z (CDT) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: OFF topic... X-Mailer: AtDot 2.0.1 X-URL: http://cc.gdl.up.mx/ Resent-Message-ID: <"AC2cZ1.0.mq4.xmx2u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12566 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I know this is completely off topic but I supposed it might be of interest to some of you guys. I found something called GeneChip...an electronic microcontroler which algoritm is based in DNA proteins. Check this site for further information: www.affymetrix.com Also, I know some of you already know about this. So if you know something about how this Chip works with the new algoritm, please let me know. One more thing, I'd like to have some technical information about the neurophone. Thanks. Carlos Agraz From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 18 17:59:51 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA04421; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 17:59:42 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 17:59:42 -0700 X-Fidalgo-Track-MAIL-A: pm3-4-dyn10.skagit.fidalgo.net [209.102.74.73] X-Fidalgo-Track-MAIL-B: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 17:59:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <074701bf19cc$119a2240$50b6bfd1@w7o9k8> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: Varactor circuits, was Barium Titanate to Solar Energy Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 16:50:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"Y1BiE2.0.-41.-9y2u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12567 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Dave, Sorry its been so long for this letter, I was swamped with mail for a while and I'm getting out from under it. >Hi Fred and all, >Sorry to have been confusing to you. It's not an unusual state for me to be in :-) >> >>I'm looking for a pic of a tube setup in my old electronics textbooks. >>Wouldn't this defeat the pupose of trying to keep the load of the square >>wave generator as low as possible? > >Yes, it would require more power. It's still OK to show the output >waveforms or circuit operation. True. > >If C were constant (the varactors changed to a mica cap, for example), the >only output would be F, or at least the fundamental = F filtered from the >square wave pump coupled into the tank. Hmm, this might sound like a dumb question but in your opinion, in the circuit as we are discussing it, is there energy leaking directly from the input into the tank? >> >>Or are you making a distinction >>>between linear C changes with applied voltage and higher order variations? >> >>No, I'm guessing :-) > >Yes those Matheau equations are not easy. In addition to the varying C, the >rotating cap patent US 4622510, used a non constant L as a function of >current making it more complicated, and found a particular "sine wave" >solution! Yes actually using a nonlinear L actually makes things simpler, the oscillations become regular when there is a second nonlinear aspect ot the circuit. In the Mandleshtam and Papaleksi papers they used a linear L and the device burned up, as the oscillations just kept getting bigger and bigger till they fried everything. BTW, contrary to what Bearden says in his online book, this was in no way an overunity device. He has the same papers I have about it, as they were the only ones written. Either he didn't bother to read them, or misunderstood them, or rationalized that they were saying something more to his liking. His online book is saturated with such factual errors. If I had a month (and a yen to make enemies :-) I would go through and list all of them, but I dont have time or desire for that. Maybe his electrodynamics is cool but there is almost nothing true in the rest of it. >>> >>>I would guess any output is coming from the "pump" >> >>You mean the tank circuit? I would call the varying bias the pump. > >Yes. I mean the tank output is coming from the pump input. I think we agree >on what we are saying. Not sure, this goes back to my question above. >> >>>The 22pF ones I used were spec'ed at -4 Volts. If -1 volt is used like in >>>the spec for larger capacitance varactors, the variation would be much >>>larger (using C~1/V). >> >>It took me a while to figure that one out. You mean the 22 pf ones had a C >>variation of 1 pF/4 V, and another C had a variation of 1 pF/1 V. It >>loooked like for a while you were saying a smaller V would have a larger C >>variation. >> >I mean that both the C and delta C are larger at smaller bias voltages. >For example, if the 22pF units have a 3:1 capacitance change from -4 volts >to -20 volts, the variation might be 12:1 with a bias from -1 volts to -20 >volts, and the C might approach 100pF at -1 Volts. At zero volts there >would be still >be some junction depletion, so I quess the C still wouldn't be undefined. OK, I follow. I guess the key question is the one I asked above. Put in another way, is the pump supplying energy to the tank strictly through a change in C or is it actually feeding its energy into the tank in the normal fashion? I was under the inpression with the diodes reverse biased from each other that all energy input was through the parametric change. Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 18 18:40:51 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA21174; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 18:40:42 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 18:40:42 -0700 From: tgrimes1@juno.com To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 21:30:46 -0400 Subject: Re: Carbon Message-ID: <19991018.213233.-491859.1.tgrimes1@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 2.0.11 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-7,9-13,20-22 X-Juno-Att: 0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ZI1fu2.0.hA5.Qmy2u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12568 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >I am curious, what ARE the sources of carbon that is so >"abundant on this planet? Coal, petroleum, biomass, graphite. >The only major sources of which I am aware are coal and >petroleum. These are major sources, but I'm sure "greener" (literally) sources can be found. >Wood and vegetation are sources of carbon, but major >enough? I believe they could be. Does anyone have stats on the average percentage of carbon in biomass (plants, animal excrement, etc.)? One simple example: glucose. Glucose is just plain old eveyday table sugar. It has 18 carbon atoms in each molecule (unless I am mistaken; I don't feel like looking up the molecular formula right at this moment). By treating glucose with sulfuric acid, you can produce pure carbon (+ H2O). -Tom P.S.: Off this subject a little, why does the "skin effect" form? I know why it appears with very high voltages, but how does it occur with high frequencies, regardless of voltage? ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 18 19:05:03 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA31115; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 19:05:01 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 19:05:01 -0700 From: bpaddock@csonline.net (Bob Paddock) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: "reply to" Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 21:52:53 -0400 Organization: is mostly via piles Message-ID: <178C4UQy8UfY092yn@csonline.net> References: In-Reply-To: Lines: 21 Resent-Message-ID: <"gRDsn3.0.4c7.D7z2u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12569 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >Normally, when we reply to an email message, it goes to the originator of >the message we are currently reading. The "reply to" line is NOT for >enabling replies, and if it is left blank, replies will go where they are >supposed to to. >> If I set the ReplyTo: any differently then I would never see >> any replies my self. > >Umm... Try setting it to blank. Normal email programs will reply to the >originator, and the "reply to" line isn't needed. Ok, this message has no Reply-To set in its header. I'll reply to it when I see it on the list and see what happens. -- For information on any of the following check out my WEB site at: http://www.biogate.com/bpaddock/ Chemical Free Air Conditioning/No CFC's, Chronic Pain Relief, Echofone, Electromedicine, Electronics, Explore!, Free Energy, Full Disclosure, KeelyNet, Matric Limited, Neurophone, Oil City PA, Philadelphia Experiment. http://www.uCOS-II.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 18 19:06:21 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA31877; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 19:06:19 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 19:06:19 -0700 From: bpaddock@csonline.net (Bob Paddock) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: OFF topic... Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 21:55:05 -0400 Organization: is mostly via piles Message-ID: <598C4UQy8YLJ092yn@csonline.net> References: <199910190033.TAA29152@cc.gdl.up.mx> In-Reply-To: <199910190033.TAA29152@cc.gdl.up.mx> Lines: 26 Resent-Message-ID: <"Czq2Z.0.zn7.Q8z2u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12570 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > http://www.affymetrix.com > >Also, I know some of you already know about this. So if you know something about >how this Chip works with the new algorithm, please let me know. What algorithm are they implementing? [Can't look at link right now, Wife is tying up the phone line web surfing. So I can't go web surfing. :-( ] >One more thing, I'd like to have some technical information >about the neurophone. You can find a bit about on my site, and liks to some other related sites. Also doing a search for "neurophone" at http://alltheweb.com returns 571 different hits for it. Some more relevant than others. -- For information on any of the following check out my WEB site at: http://www.biogate.com/bpaddock/ Chemical Free Air Conditioning/No CFC's, Chronic Pain Relief, Echofone, Electromedicine, Electronics, Explore!, Free Energy, Full Disclosure, KeelyNet, Matric Limited, Neurophone, Oil City PA, Philadelphia Experiment. http://www.uCOS-II.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 18 20:17:27 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA30562; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 20:17:17 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 20:17:17 -0700 X-Fidalgo-Track-MAIL-A: pm3-2-dyn26.skagit.fidalgo.net [209.102.74.41] X-Fidalgo-Track-MAIL-B: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 20:17:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <07e801bf19df$48369000$50b6bfd1@w7o9k8> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: Parametrics Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 18:41:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"ZR0Yt.0.RT7.zA-2u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12571 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Peter, Sorry this toook so long to get out, my email is swamping me right now. And your posts take an unusual amount of thought to answer :-) >>Hmm, true. However in Hooper's coil the resultant force is due to a >presumed >>moving magnetic field associated with electron drift in the coil. I'm not >>sure how this relates to my original proposal, or to what you have below... >> > >I believe he called it a "motional E field". Cancellation of the B vector. Right. The magnetic vector potential A is not cancelled I guess, like in the Hooper Monstein experiment. I am dredging around trying to find this Hooper patent so I am guessing a bit, without looking at it. > >>So if I have a simple bifilar >>'coil' composed of two straight wires, there is a rotation of *something* >at >>the tesseract angle >> > >The cancellation results in an orthagonal emission path, i.e. at right >angles to the plane of cancellation. All right, this is the key question that has been bugging me all along, even years ago when we discussed this type of thing before. Emission of WHAT? An emission implies a vector force, not a scalar quantity. It is an EM system, so it is an emission of something electromagnetic, presumably. But what is it? The Poynting vector has the properties you describe. As some have pointed out, the S vector is not cancelled in a "noninductive" coil. Is this it? Or is something more esoteric? > >>Ok, given the original hyper-orthogonal rotation of each of the two >>orthogonal EM vectors, this follows. I don't see why this would be double >>the applied frequency >> > >Within an AC-driven bifilar coil you have a second cancellation when the >field reverses. OK, I follow. >> > >Spinning particles capture vacuum energy. There are other geometries that >can be used. It's the principle that matters. Completely agreed there. A permanent magnet is a vortex pump, and so is a spinning disc, or planet, solar system or galaxy for that matter. >>Well, it was encased in a faraday cage, and a capacitor was used to detect >>the output at some distance. >> > >Hooper also detected a small anomolous charge on the outermost cylinder when >the coil was powered. Ok, have to look at that. > >>In the Carr patent it appears to rotate with the capacitor plates. >> > >Let's look again at the two charged disks and ball rotating around the >circumference. How does the ball "see" the upper and lower surface? They >would appear to be counter-rotating. Right. Counter rotate the disks instead and >the effect is isolated. Yes. This is used in the japanese patent at http://www.rognerud.com/physics/html/rotating.html By using the stationary field coils a wave expanding >and contracting upon the neutral center can be generated. If the reflected >outgoing wave meets the next incoming wave midway you have cancellation at >half the wavelength (twice the frequency) of the disks. The combination of >orthorotation and higher harmonic creartes a zone of extra-dimensionality >which deflects the gravity field. That's my understanding anyway. I tend to "see" a vortical structure created which pulls in energy from outside spacetime, but that is only a visual intuition that needs to be tested by the right hardware. > >>At this point I feel I need to point out that this is such a radical >>extension of my original idea as to obscure it > >That's the forest in the trees. IMO extra energy does not come from the >theory, but how the device fits into a larger scope of operation than is >physically manifest. To me, that is the "basics". Otherwise we're working >backwards. I agree that there needs to be an overarching hypothesis on what lies beyond physical manifestation.. This however needs to be based as much as possible on the extant experimental evidence, however fragmentary it may be. When abstract nouns like "emission" are used, I think it is inportant to give them some operational definition, in other words an observation that relates them to the physical manifestation we live in. Of course, if you are channeling your theory (and I can relate to that :-) then it must be taken whole cloth, and experiments must be designed "in the dark" as to real effects, until they are completed anyway. If that's the case then so be it. The parametric area, while it is not as fruitful as the approach you propose, is quite different from it in that it is only a small leap from current understanding. And yet it itself is still mostly unexplored. Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 18 21:06:05 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA21365; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 21:06:02 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 21:06:02 -0700 Message-ID: <386DB9CA.41801F32@netzero.net> Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2000 00:24:42 -0800 From: THE TROLL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Carbon References: <19991018.213233.-491859.1.tgrimes1@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"m2LAV3.0.fD5.fu-2u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12572 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Tom! Are you sure table sugar is glucose? Why am I thinking sucrose? I do get woosie everytime the CIA microwave truck goes by. David tgrimes1@juno.com wrote: > > One > simple example: glucose. Glucose is just plain old eveyday table sugar. > It has 18 carbon atoms in each molecule (unless I am mistaken; I don't > feel like looking up the molecular formula right at this moment). By > treating glucose with sulfuric acid, you can produce pure carbon (+ > H2O). > > -Tom -- E-mail to: broompilot@juno.com (no attachments) Otherwise: broompilot@netzero.net Fax to: 1-253-681-1133 __________________________________________ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 18 21:16:59 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA26320; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 21:16:58 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 21:16:58 -0700 Message-ID: <385656363.940268392135.JavaMail.root@web01.pub01> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 13:39:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Doggiedoor Doomsday To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Negative inductance? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: mail.com X-Originating-IP: 206.117.222.114 Resent-Message-ID: <"p-TLC2.0.9R6.w2_2u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12573 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: According to the keelynet file bajak1.txt quartz has the property of negative inductance. Is there such thing as negative inductance? I always thought inductance was positive. I am trying to think of how this could be used in claims that some free energy circuits work only at certain resonant frequencies. __________________________________________________ FREE Email for ALL! Sign up at http://www.mail.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 18 21:30:59 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA00892; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 21:30:57 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 21:30:57 -0700 Message-ID: <380BF379.B868C4E9@ihug.co.nz> Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 17:28:41 +1300 From: John Berry X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Negative inductance? References: <385656363.940268392135.JavaMail.root@web01.pub01> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"aICQ91.0.lD.0G_2u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12574 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: A capacitor in series is pretty much a negative inductor... (but not quite) A bucking bifilar coil negativly charged with HV static should have negative inductance theoretically. Doggiedoor Doomsday wrote: > According to the keelynet file bajak1.txt quartz has the property of > negative inductance. Is there such thing as negative inductance? I always > thought inductance was positive. I am trying to think of how this could be > used in claims that some free energy circuits work only at certain resonant > frequencies. > > __________________________________________________ > FREE Email for ALL! Sign up at http://www.mail.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 18 21:31:06 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA01305; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 21:31:04 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 21:31:04 -0700 Message-ID: <380BF382.BF500E29@ihug.co.nz> Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 17:28:51 +1300 From: John Berry X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Negative inductance? References: <385656363.940268392135.JavaMail.root@web01.pub01> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"1R8un3.0.EK.7G_2u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12575 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: A capacitor in series is pretty much a negative inductor... (but not quite) A bucking bifilar coil negatively charged with HV static should have negative inductance theoretically. Doggiedoor Doomsday wrote: > According to the keelynet file bajak1.txt quartz has the property of > negative inductance. Is there such thing as negative inductance? I always > thought inductance was positive. I am trying to think of how this could be > used in claims that some free energy circuits work only at certain resonant > frequencies. > > __________________________________________________ > FREE Email for ALL! Sign up at http://www.mail.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Oct 18 22:10:16 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA17109; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 22:10:12 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 22:10:12 -0700 Message-ID: <386DC843.E2E53B07@netzero.net> Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2000 01:26:27 -0800 From: THE TROLL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FREEnrg Subject: Geomagnetic poles--an explanation Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ejrcV1.0.EB4.qq_2u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12576 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Folks, On a colloidal silver list, we were talking about making CS with structured water and one of the folks said he structures the CS after making it by placing the bottle on the north side of a 3000 Gauss disk magnet for some number of hours (I forget how many). Since some folks are inclined to think that north is really south and south is really north (we've been through that already on this list) I asked him how the north-seeking end of a compass needle reacts to the north side of his magnet. Is it attracted or repelled? He said it was *attracted*, of course. I mentioned the confusion and sent him to: http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/seg/potfld/faqgeom.html Which offered the picture: http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/seg/potfld/img/faqpole.gif I told him it made no sense to me and I have not heard any explanation for this idiocy. The following is his reply. David --------------------------------------------- Hi David and listers, No problem. Many persons have seen the picture and taken its meaning OUT OF CONTEXT. Everyone in the magnetic industry and science does it the same way as I said in the previous post. :-) Back in 1949 three professors were studying the earths magnetic field for the defense department. Names were Sears of Dartmouth College, Zemansky of University of New York, and Young of Carnegie-Mellon University. I was working in the same area with detection of magnetic anomalies at the time. Anti-sub stuff. These men were doing detailed studies of the earths field and to help their conceptualization drew the crust and mantle of the earth as a large circle with a north field at the top (north pole) and then drew a smaller circle inside to represent the CORE of the earth. In the core they assumed (we don`t really know) that a dipole magnet could exist with its south pole lined up to the north pole of the mantel, and the CORE dipole north pole lined up with the mantel south pole. Look carefully at the picture and you will see that the CORE magnet is drawn inside the core. The core magnet will have its poles opposing the mantel poles. This picture, looked at out of context, has confused many persons. The picture first appeared in the publication "University Physics", by Addison Wesley Publishing Co., an international company in USA, London, Amsterdam, Ontario, Sydney and others. That was in 1949 on page 602 under a discussion of the earths field. The book is right here in front of me. Remember the crust/mantel north field is at the north pole and the core south pole is right under it. Makes for a continuous magnetic loop of "mantel north to Core south--through the core to core north to mantel south-- then through space back to the mantel north. The question often comes up, why did they do this? In order to account for the fact that from the equator to the poles the dip angle slowly begins to point down until it is vertical at the poles they had to depict an opposing dipole magnet in the core of the earth. The crust/mantel field alone could not account for the gradual dip as lattitude increased. All a matter of vector analyses and great circle navigation requirements, ( a bunch of math stuff). As for why the picture keeps showing up out of context , the writers don`t know their subject and just keep copying each others wrong stuff,and it goes round and round. -- E-mail to: broompilot@juno.com (no attachments) Otherwise: broompilot@netzero.net Fax to: 1-253-681-1133 __________________________________________ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 19 05:59:49 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id FAA15557; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 05:59:42 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 05:59:42 -0700 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on Linux X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <380B40E1.10165E51@netzero.net> Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 09:08:32 -0400 (EDT) Organization: Society for Real Time Sender: Charlie_Hodgson@s2systems.com From: Charlie Hodgson To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re:Carbon Resent-Message-ID: <"Yv-D81.0.-o3.zi63u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12577 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On 18-Oct-99 THE TROLL wrote: > I am curious, what ARE the sources of carbon that is so > "abundant on this planet? > > The only major sources of which I am aware are coal and > petroleum. > > Wood and vegetation are sources of carbon, but major > enough? Coal and petroleum are more than likely the most cost effective sources for carbon today, but that doesn't mean we cannot get it from vegetation. Ethanol is produced from corn and other crops and competes with petroleum. Ethonal can also be produced from various agricultural waste products. > > While you are dumping the drum of carbon on the driveway, > can you tell us what that black stuff is that is coating > most of the buildings in Europe's major cities? I read that > it comes from diesel powered vehicles. Hmmmmmmm. It may be carbon, but I wouldn't blame the carbon. If all the kids in your city started throwing eggs all about, are you going to say that eggs are a major cause of pollution? The reason for the coating is incomplete combustion of the fuel. If that much soot is being expelled from the trucks than the trucks are the problem. The carbon deposits are only the side-effect. And while your carbon deposits fit the definition of pollution, I was refering to pollution that effects the life-cycle of the planet, those that cause acid rain, ground-level ozone, pollution of our waterways, etc. The fact is, if you turn carbon into carbon dioxide, the plants will turn it back into a useable form of carbon again. It's a nice little cycle. It's renewable, and properly executed, it is not a pollutant. Charlie > > David > > Charlie Hodgson wrote: >> >> You can equate carbon to coal if you like, but that's not what I said. >> Carbon is abundant on this planet, and the only way carbon pollutes is >> if I dump a drum of it on your driveway. >> > > > -- > E-mail to: broompilot@juno.com (no attachments) > > Otherwise: broompilot@netzero.net > > Fax to: 1-253-681-1133 > > __________________________________________ > NetZero - Defenders of the Free World > Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at > http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html ---------------------------------- E-Mail: Charlie Hodgson Date: 18-Oct-99 Time: 15:37:38 This message was sent by XFMail ---------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 19 08:59:40 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id IAA20776; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 08:59:33 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 08:59:33 -0700 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on Linux X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 12:08:21 -0400 (EDT) Organization: Society for Real Time Sender: Charlie_Hodgson@s2systems.com From: Charlie Hodgson To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Fwd: [free_energy] Joe Newman's motor explained] Resent-Message-ID: <"6nQDJ1.0.T45.aL93u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12578 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On 19-Oct-99 Robin van Spaandonk wrote: > On Mon, 18 Oct 1999 11:04:43 -0400 (EDT), Charlie Hodgson wrote: > [snip] >>> The problem is that "carbon" (read coal), isn't renewable, and does harm >>> the environment, in fact we're already using it. >> >>You can equate carbon to coal if you like, but that's not what I said. > > Nevertheless, the largest and cheapest source of carbon on the planet is > coal. Unless you are prepared to add energy from another source, then I > suspect that limestone and marble would win by a large margin. > Of course, you could use a biological source, but it is debatable > whether or not that would lead to a net energy gain. > Who is talking about a net energy gain. If you'd bothered to read on, adding energy from another source, to be extracted later WAS the point. Geez. Read. Comprehend. Then reply. >>Carbon is abundant on this planet, and the only way carbon pollutes is >>if I dump a drum of it on your driveway. > > Carbon in the context of the Newman motor, as an alternate explanation > of any excess produced by the motor, was originally being discussed in > terms of it being burnt in the spark to provide that extra energy. The > process of combustion leads to the formation of CO2, hence pollution in > the form of global warming. > I.e. one is substituting carbon combustion in a spark, for carbon > combustion in the boiler of a power station. First, the jury is still out on global warming. If it is a problem, it may have more to do with all the trees we cut down than the CO2 we produce. Secondly, fossil fuels contain many nasty substances, all of which are released upon the burning of these fuels and do harm the enviornment. This would not occur in the above reaction. Lastly, until such time that we do have clean, renewable energy, in whatever form it takes, it behoves us to take whatever steps we can practically take to clean up what we can. And if someone can ignore an excepted practice to coax a secondary reaction which leads to added efficiencies, then I say go for it. How do we lose? >>If I dump a drum in the lake, guess what? It will absorb organic >>compunds and actually make the water cleaner. Ever hear of activated >>charcoal filters? Take a guess what they use to make it. Carbon. > > Yes, I'm well aware of that, but it has no bearing whatsoever upon the > use of carbon contact points/brushes in a Newman motor. No, but it has direct bearing on the statement that CARBON pollutes. >>Cheap energy beats (currently) non-existant free energy. > What makes the energy cheap? Hydroelectricity? Well that is solar power that eventually gets converted to electricity with several in-between conversions such as heat, gravity assist and rotational. Once you account for the capital costs of the generator, the output is free. Hydroelectricity IS FREE ENERGY, inasmuch that there are no real comsumables. When most people think of storing electricity, they think of batteries. But you can effectively store the energy in chemical coumpounds that require huge amounts of electrity to create, such as the reduction of aluminium oxide via the Hall process. You then react the metal to extract the energy inserted during reduction. No net gain, but a (possibly) efficient means to store and transport the power for use on demand. >> I'm currently looking into Francois Cornish's Hydrogen Generator. >> .... While I think that Cornish's device is impractical, the >> process itself warrants further investigation. > > This also doesn't appear to have any bearing on the Newman motor. No, it doesn't, but it does relate to my post. If you would bother to attempt to comprehend the spirit of the thread you might learn something. I'd recapitulate but you'd only read into it what you want, so what's the point? >>But you obviously missed the point of the post. >Somehow, I think the shoe is on the other foot. It's impossible for one to miss the point of one's own post. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 19 09:32:11 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA04021; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 09:32:08 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 09:32:08 -0700 From: bpaddock@csonline.net (Bob Paddock) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: "reply to" Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 12:25:50 -0400 Organization: is mostly via piles Reply-To: bpaddock@csonline.net Message-ID: References: <178C4UQy8UfY092yn@csonline.net> In-Reply-To: <178C4UQy8UfY092yn@csonline.net> Lines: 8 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.37Beta [95/NT] Resent-Message-ID: <"Y2Quo2.0.k-.8q93u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12579 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >>Umm... Try setting it to blank. Normal email programs will reply to the >>originator, and the "reply to" line isn't needed. > >Ok, this message has no Reply-To set in its header. I'll >reply to it when I see it on the list and see what happens. Test of Reply to. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 19 12:46:37 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA21173; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 12:46:28 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 12:46:28 -0700 From: HLafonte@aol.com Message-ID: <0.7415ddb4.253e2484@aol.com> Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 15:46:12 EDT Subject: Need verifying of test To: energy21@listbot.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com, jlnlabs@egroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Resent-Message-ID: <"U9Nk8.0.kA5.KgC3u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12580 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I took two bar magnets and placed them side by side at the end of a long piece of iron (bar). I moved a magnet down the iron and thru the middle of the two bar magnets. I found that if the magnet moved across the bar magnets at a certain point that the attraction and repulsion forces became equal but opposite. This allowed the magnet to exit free of the iron and bar magnets with no drag. The shape of the bar magnets may have to be contoured to keep the flux field constant from start of bars to exit of bars for a total absence of drag. If anyone can, please see if you get these same results. There may be a side force on the moving magnet, but the drag down the direction of movement should be near zero. Please contact me with positive or negative results. Thanks, Butch LaFonte See my web site for drawing: LaFonte Research site 1 or http://hometown.aol.com/hlafonte/index.html From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 19 13:14:36 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA03088; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 13:14:34 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 13:14:34 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.16.19991019125729.23ff18c8@earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (16) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 12:57:29 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: Varactor circuits, was Barium Titanate to Solar Energy In-Reply-To: <074701bf19cc$119a2240$50b6bfd1@w7o9k8> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"z77_Y1.0.9m.f4D3u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12581 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Fred and all, At 04:50 PM 10/18/99 -0700, you wrote: >>If C were constant (the varactors changed to a mica cap, for example), the >>only output would be F, or at least the fundamental = F filtered from the >>square wave pump coupled into the tank. > >Hmm, this might sound like a dumb question but in your opinion, in the >circuit as we are discussing it, is there energy leaking directly from the >input into the tank? Yes, and it doesn't sound dumb at all! One terminal devices (+ common or ground) that could work as amplifiers always seemed odd to me. In your statement I would replace "leaking directly " with "coupled with a direct electrical connection " as the pump input and the tank connection of the varactor are the one and the same. >>Yes those Matheau equations are not easy. In addition to the varying C, the >>rotating cap patent US 4622510, used a non constant L as a function of >>current making it more complicated, and found a particular "sine wave" >>solution! > >Yes actually using a nonlinear L actually makes things simpler, the >oscillations become regular when there is a second nonlinear aspect ot the >circuit. In the Mandleshtam and Papaleksi papers they used a linear L and >the device burned up, as the oscillations just kept getting bigger and >bigger till they fried everything. Instead of just changing the operating point and then not increasing? Have you heard anything like this with the mechanically varying capacitor articles? > >BTW, contrary to what Bearden says in his online book, this was in no way an >overunity device. He has the same papers I have about it, as they were the >only ones written. Either he didn't bother to read them, or misunderstood >them, or rationalized that they were saying something more to his liking. >His online book is saturated with such factual errors. If I had a month >(and a yen to make enemies :-) I would go through and list all of them, but >I dont have time or desire for that. Maybe his electrodynamics is cool but >there is almost nothing true in the rest of it. Maybe you cap post a review sort of like Rich Anderson did? >I guess the key question is the one I asked above. Put in another way, is >the pump supplying energy to the tank strictly through a change in C or is >it actually feeding its energy into the tank in the normal fashion? I was >under the inpression with the diodes reverse biased from each other that all >energy input was through the parametric change. I say both. Even if the varactor were replaced by a fixed capacitor, energy is capacitively coupled into the tank. > >Fred > -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 19 20:01:34 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA08731; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 20:01:03 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 20:01:03 -0700 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991019225912.00a3d8f0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: rymel@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 23:00:21 -0400 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rymel Subject: Re:Carbon In-Reply-To: References: <380B40E1.10165E51@netzero.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"9JlvT3.0.G82.l1J3u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12582 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > > While you are dumping the drum of carbon on the driveway, > > can you tell us what that black stuff is that is coating > > most of the buildings in Europe's major cities? I read that > > it comes from diesel powered vehicles. Hmmmmmmm. i was told by my history teacher once that the black coating on the buildings was from back in the day, when they burned coal for home heating. the soot would rise out of the chimneys and fall down on the city, making everything black. am i wrong? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 19 20:19:06 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA16641; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 20:19:04 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 20:19:04 -0700 Message-ID: <022f01bf1aaa$97404f80$c78080d8@btech> From: "Bill Wallace`" To: References: <380B40E1.10165E51@netzero.net> <4.2.0.58.19991019225912.00a3d8f0@pop.mindspring.com> Subject: Re: Re:Carbon Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 23:24:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"fJ45U1.0.w34.dIJ3u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12583 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: What has anyone heard of plug power at www.plugpower.com? I am considering investing. They seem to have the jump on other companies in the PEM arena. ----- Original Message ----- From: Rymel To: Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 1999 11:00 PM Subject: Re:Carbon > > > > While you are dumping the drum of carbon on the driveway, > > > can you tell us what that black stuff is that is coating > > > most of the buildings in Europe's major cities? I read that > > > it comes from diesel powered vehicles. Hmmmmmmm. > > i was told by my history teacher once that the black coating on the > buildings was from back in the day, when they burned coal for home heating. > the soot would rise out of the chimneys and fall down on the city, making > everything black. am i wrong? > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 19 22:07:11 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA08743; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 22:07:03 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 22:07:03 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.16.19991019213631.20df1958@earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (16) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 21:36:31 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: Need verifying of test In-Reply-To: <0.7415ddb4.253e2484@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Rx3Z72.0.R82.stK3u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12584 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi BUtch, At 03:46 PM 10/19/99 EDT, you wrote: >I took two bar magnets and placed them side by side at the end of a long >piece of iron (bar). I moved a magnet down the iron and thru the middle of >the two bar magnets. I found that if the magnet moved across the bar magnets >at a certain point that the attraction and repulsion forces became equal but >opposite. This allowed the magnet to exit free of the iron and bar magnets >with no drag. I can find a spot with approx. matched attraction/repulsion forces, but they are of course on different parts of the magnet. There is a strong sideways force to align the N-S poles of the opposite bar and moving magnet. If you can ignore this force/drag, then the magnet could exit. The torque seems indeterminate/ dependent on exact magnet position. -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Oct 19 23:05:39 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id XAA22100; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 23:05:31 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 23:05:31 -0700 From: C2hoe@cs.com Message-ID: <0.1ed8beed.253eb5a0@cs.com> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 02:05:20 EDT Subject: Warning Warning Warning... To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: CompuServe 2000 32-bit sub 27 Resent-Message-ID: <"1uUmE3.0.DP5.hkL3u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12585 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I received an email with subject: "Fwd: Money from Microsoft" Please delete it and don't forward it. I believe this is an attempt to flush the internet by virus. It already contained hundreds of email addresses to which the original message was sent to. Claudia >>"Subject: Check this out quickly and respond! >>I am forwarding this because the person who sent it to me is a very >>professional business person and a good friend and does not send me >>junk. >>Microsoft and AOL are now the largest Internet company and in an effo= rt >>make sure that Internet explorer remains the most widely used program= , >>Microsoft and AOLare running an e-mail beta test. When you forward th= is >>e-mail to friends, Microsoft can and will track it (if you are a >>Microsoft Windows user) for a two week time period. 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It's all marketing >>expense to him." >> >>Do Well!! > > > ************************************* The Eitan Berglas School of Economics The Gordon Faculty of Social Sciences Tel Aviv University Naftali Building, room 717 Ramat Aviv, Tel Aviv, ISRAEL 69978 tel: 972-3-640-9715 fax: 972-3-640-9908 e-mail: econ@post.tau.ac.il web site: http://econ.tau.ac.il ************************************* From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 20 00:31:39 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id AAA09083; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 00:31:33 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 00:31:33 -0700 From: JNaudin509@aol.com Message-ID: <0.bcb5b0b6.253ec9d1@aol.com> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 03:31:29 EDT Subject: The M.Meyer-Mace solid state energy converter To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 166 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id AAA09063 Resent-Message-ID: <"EM3NY2.0.qD2.L_M3u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12586 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dear all, You will find below an interesting device (not yet tested by myself). The Michel Meyer-Mace solid state energy converter from the Patent # FR9110472 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ This patented generator is a solid-state generator which uses the nuclear resonant ferromagnetic effect in a cylindrical rod of iron(56). This effect has been named by the inventors the "isotopic mutation effect". They use a common iron rod (isotopic number 56) with 3 simple coils wound around it. This rod is placed between a U shaped core (soft iron) for closing the magnetic circuit and thus reducing the magnetic losses (see the diagram below (use the courier 10 fonts)). #1 #2 #3 XX:===HH===HH===HH===:XX #1: Ind.coil (0.5 tesla)permanent B-field XX:===HH===HH===HH===:XX #2: Excit.coil (21Mhz sine wave at 10e-4 tesla) XX XX #3: Output coil XX XX :===: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX :===: the iron(56)cylindrical rod XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX <---- Soft iron (U shaped) The inventors claim that if we introduce 105 eV to the iron (isotope 56), its change to the iron isotope 54. The energy generated by this nuclear reaction inside the iron rod will produce an energy gain of 20,000 eV. The energy required for generating the isotopic mutation is produced by a nuclear magnetic resonance effect. The parametric excitation is obtained by the coil #2 acting as the pump. The energy output is collected by the coil #3 which is able to produce 110-220-380V at 400Hz. The iron rod is used as the main source of energy by isotopic mutation effect, thus, this will provide a simple and cheap source of energy for a long time. The inventors claim that this device can be used for building self-powered elecrical power supplies. Translated from the patent FR9110472 "Activateur pour mutation isotopique" by Jean-Louis Naudin. Others reference documents : - Patent FR7421213 "Générateur électrique autonome" by Michel Meyer - Sciences et vie "Une centrale électrique chez soi" by Renaud de la Taille Note from JL Naudin : This remind me the principle used in the Sweet device, the Inductor coil can also be replaced by two simple magnets and the iron rod by a simple iron plate between them. See the TEP v8.0 device at : http://members.aol.com/overunity4/html/tep80.htm and also "Nothing is something" by Floyd A.Sweet http://members.aol.com/overunity4/nothing/nothing.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Best Regards Jean-Louis Naudin Email: Jnaudin509@aol.com Overunity Web site: http://members.aol.com/jnaudin509/index.htm eGroup:http://www.egroups.com/group/jlnlabs/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 20 00:42:33 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id AAA11653; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 00:42:31 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 00:42:31 -0700 X-BPC-Relay-Envelope-From: rvanspaa@bigpond.net.au X-BPC-Relay-Envelope-To: X-BPC-Relay-Sender-Host: CPE-24-192-27-124.vic.bigpond.net.au [24.192.27.124] X-BPC-Relay-Info: Message delivered directly. From: Robin van Spaandonk To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Carbon Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 17:42:26 +1000 Organization: Improving Message-ID: References: <380B40E1.10165E51@netzero.net> <4.2.0.58.19991019225912.00a3d8f0@pop.mindspring.com> <022f01bf1aaa$97404f80$c78080d8@btech> In-Reply-To: <022f01bf1aaa$97404f80$c78080d8@btech> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.6/32.525 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id AAA11636 Resent-Message-ID: <"EI31F3.0.-r2.d9N3u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12587 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Tue, 19 Oct 1999 23:24:13 -0400, Bill Wallace` wrote: >What has anyone heard of plug power at www.plugpower.com? I am considering >investing. They seem to have the jump on other companies in the PEM arena. > AFAIK plug power and Ballard are the two leaders in the field. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 20 01:07:34 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id BAA18248; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 01:07:31 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 01:07:31 -0700 X-Fidalgo-Track-MAIL-A: pm3-1-dyn13.skagit.fidalgo.net [209.191.182.28] X-Fidalgo-Track-MAIL-B: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 01:07:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <009701bf1ad0$d2f2a3e0$1cb6bfd1@w7o9k8> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: Lorentz force and drag Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 00:43:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"03WwV2.0.yS4.3XN3u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12588 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Dave, >> >>Picture a solid copper cylinder. Around it is a rotor consisting of two >permanent magnets with poles facing each other through the center of the >stator cylinder. When this rotor revolves, the moving field passes though >the center of the cylinder at right angles to its length. This is a form of >Barlow disc generator. >> >>When the rotor is turning, a DC current is generated along the length of >the >cylinder from Lorentz force, assuming the ends of the cylinder are >connected >through a circuit. >>The magnetic field of the output current is at right angles to the field of >>the permanent magnet rotor and is aligned along the circumference of the >>stator cylinder. This output field is static since the output current is DC. > >Do I picture it right with one N and one S pole facing the cylinder? Yes. >I don't think there will be a potential generated along the length of the >cylinder, if you consider the entire cylinder together. Picture one strip >of the cylinder and another opposite (180 degrees) it. When the N pole is >approaching one, for example, the S pole is the other. Currents flow in >opposite direction and you have a shorted loop, its field is what reacts >with the N-S rotating magnets. > >For the cylinder as a whole, there are equal currents in both directions. >No external circuit is connected. It actually sounds like an induction >motor where the magnetic fields rotate mechanically vs. electrically and >the stator windings (cylinder) are all shorted at the ends, so there is no >external electrical output just the drag. Yes, I agree, this was pointed out ot me in private mail by Ken Keasey, who seems to also have your gift for getting the concrete physical situation correctly. The standard homopolar is much better. > >If you want an external current, you need a homopolar configuration, that >is, one pole inside the (hollow) cylinder and one pole outside. >Is there any reason you have the cylinder fixed and the magnets rotating? No :-) Here's another one for you. Four flat spiral coils overlaid on top of each other. A flat copper disc rests on top of the coils, with a circuit from the outer edge through a resistor to the center, like in a homopolar. Each coil input is offset 90 degrees from the one before. A switching circuit energizes each coil in turn, like a virtual rotation. Will there be a virtually rotating magnetic field resulting from this? Will there be a radial current induced in the copper disc? Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 20 04:12:35 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id EAA11179; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 04:12:29 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 04:12:29 -0700 From: Pepthewep@aol.com Message-ID: <0.674cf97e.253efd78@aol.com> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 07:11:52 EDT Subject: Re: Warning Warning Warning... To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 41 Resent-Message-ID: <"uq0HX3.0.ak2.TEQ3u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12589 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I saw that email last week. Deleted it with flourish! Barb c. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 20 07:31:15 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id HAA29307; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 07:31:07 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 07:31:07 -0700 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on Linux X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19991019225912.00a3d8f0@pop.mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 10:39:51 -0400 (EDT) Organization: Society for Real Time Sender: Charlie_Hodgson@s2systems.com From: Charlie Hodgson To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re:Carbon Resent-Message-ID: <"JsNsg.0.q97.h8T3u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12590 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On 20-Oct-99 Rymel wrote: > >> > While you are dumping the drum of carbon on the driveway, >> > can you tell us what that black stuff is that is coating >> > most of the buildings in Europe's major cities? I read that >> > it comes from diesel powered vehicles. Hmmmmmmm. > > i was told by my history teacher once that the black coating on the > buildings was from back in the day, when they burned coal for home heating. > the soot would rise out of the chimneys and fall down on the city, making > everything black. am i wrong? Not at all. Soot is a big problem, caused by the incomplete combustion of fuels, coal included. Typical causes are inadequate air or too cool of a flame. >From time to time I need carbon black. I make it by burning a candle with a long wick under a metal plate. The plate cools the flame and the soot collects. Charlie From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 20 07:58:40 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id HAA10161; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 07:58:38 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 07:58:38 -0700 Message-ID: <013301bf1b0b$8dd1f280$cbfc7bcb@xplornote> From: "xplorer" To: Subject: Re: The M.Meyer-Mace solid state energy converter Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 21:53:21 +0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"KXJ771.0.gU2.TYT3u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12591 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: way cool Many Thanks for your information flow - we owe you a lot Maybe we ought to nominate Jean for a Freenrg Nobel -----Original Message----- From: JNaudin509@aol.com To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: 1999 October 20, Wednesday 14:36 Subject: The M.Meyer-Mace solid state energy converter Dear all, You will find below an interesting device (not yet tested by myself). The Michel Meyer-Mace solid state energy converter from the Patent # FR9110472 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- This patented generator is a solid-state generator which uses the nuclear resonant ferromagnetic effect in a cylindrical rod of iron(56). This effect has been named by the inventors the "isotopic mutation effect". They use a common iron rod (isotopic number 56) with 3 simple coils wound around it. = How is this : a magnetic field alters the nuclear structure of Fe56 ? = Intriguing: where goes the excess mass ? (em energy only, or is there particle emission ?) = How do they know the Fe56 becomes Fe54 ? = The 20Kev becomes 400 Hz magnetic field ?? The inventors claim that if we introduce 105 eV to the iron (isotope 56), its change to the iron isotope 54. The energy generated by this nuclear reaction inside the iron rod will produce an energy gain of 20,000 eV. The energy required for generating the isotopic mutation is produced by a nuclear magnetic resonance effect. The parametric excitation is obtained by the coil #2 acting as the pump. The energy output is collected by the coil #3 which is able to produce 110-220-380V at 400Hz. The iron rod is used as the main source of energy by isotopic mutation effect, thus, this will provide a simple and cheap source of energy for a long time. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Best Regards Jean-Louis Naudin Email: Jnaudin509@aol.com Overunity Web site: http://members.aol.com/jnaudin509/index.htm eGroup:http://www.egroups.com/group/jlnlabs/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 20 09:11:51 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA05704; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 09:11:45 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 09:11:45 -0700 Message-ID: <380DE3BC.B5F5343D@infovia.com.ar> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 12:46:05 -0300 From: Juan de la Cruz Barrios X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [es] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: es MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: The M.Meyer-Mace solid state energy converter References: <013301bf1b0b$8dd1f280$cbfc7bcb@xplornote> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"tbIz02.0.wO1.1dU3u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12592 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hello to all, Could anyone tell me where is the french patent server? Thanks in advance, Juan. xplorer escribió: > way cool > > Many Thanks for your information flow - we owe you a lot > Maybe we ought to nominate Jean for a Freenrg Nobel > > -----Original Message----- > From: JNaudin509@aol.com > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Date: 1999 October 20, Wednesday 14:36 > Subject: The M.Meyer-Mace solid state energy converter > > Dear all, > > You will find below an interesting device (not yet tested by myself). > > The Michel Meyer-Mace solid state energy converter > from the Patent # FR9110472 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 20 09:23:31 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA10868; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 09:23:30 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 09:23:30 -0700 From: JNaudin509@aol.com Message-ID: <0.22568412.253f467b@aol.com> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 12:23:23 EDT Subject: Re: The M.Meyer-Mace solid state energy converter To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 166 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id JAA10834 Resent-Message-ID: <"zlsaO3.0.gf2.1oU3u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12593 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dans un courrier daté du 20/10/99 18:14:19é), jdelac@infovia.com.ar a écrit : > Hello to all, > > Could anyone tell me where is the french patent server? > > Thanks in advance, Juan. > You may find the full patents with diagrams and the documents at : http://www.geocities.com/alcor17/OverUnit/patents/ Best Regards, Jean-Louis From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 20 09:35:37 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA16987; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 09:35:36 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 09:35:36 -0700 From: bpaddock@csonline.net (Bob Paddock) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: The M.Meyer-Mace solid state energy converter Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 12:17:59 -0400 Organization: is mostly via piles Message-ID: <3seD4UQy8gBU092yn@csonline.net> References: <0.bcb5b0b6.253ec9d1@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <0.bcb5b0b6.253ec9d1@aol.com> Lines: 24 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.37Beta [95/NT] Resent-Message-ID: <"OPdVk.0.H94.NzU3u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12594 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >The Michel Meyer-Mace solid state energy converter... >from the Patent # FR9110472... >They use a common iron rod (isotopic number 56) with 3 simple coils wound... >Note from JL Naudin : This remind me the principle used in the Sweet device, Actually it reminds me of a device very much like it published in Carters (sp?) book "Awesome Life Force", in the late 70's or so. I'll get the exact info when I get home. -- For information on any of the following check out my WEB site at: http://www.biogate.com/bpaddock/ Chemical Free Air Conditioning/No CFC's, Chronic Pain Relief, Echofone, Electromedicine, Electronics, Explore!, Free Energy, Full Disclosure, KeelyNet, Matric Limited, Neurophone, Oil City PA, Philadelphia Experiment. http://www.uCOS-II.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 20 10:31:27 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA10499; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 10:31:18 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 10:31:18 -0700 Message-ID: <380DF660.4D9BFE0F@infovia.com.ar> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 14:05:36 -0300 From: Juan de la Cruz Barrios X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [es] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: es MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: The M.Meyer-Mace solid state energy converter References: <0.22568412.253f467b@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"0Aaqp1.0.xZ2.bnV3u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12595 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hello Jean et al, Thanks very much. Regards, Juan. JNaudin509@aol.com escribió: > Dans un courrier daté du 20/10/99 18:14:19é), jdelac@infovia.com.ar a écrit : > > > Hello to all, > > > > Could anyone tell me where is the french patent server? > > > > Thanks in advance, Juan. > > > You may find the full patents with diagrams and the documents at : > http://www.geocities.com/alcor17/OverUnit/patents/ > > Best Regards, > > Jean-Louis From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 20 11:09:07 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA24478; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 11:08:58 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 11:08:58 -0700 From: HLafonte@aol.com Message-ID: <0.2653604e.253f5f34@aol.com> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 14:08:52 EDT Subject: Re: Need verifying of test To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Resent-Message-ID: <"MC_E33.0.M-5.vKW3u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12596 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: In a message dated 10/20/99 12:09:03 AM Central Daylight Time, ddameron@earthlink.net writes: > If you can ignore this force/drag, then the magnet could exit. The > torque seems indeterminate/ dependent on exact magnet position. > -Dave Dave, Your test results are identical to my results. Do you see any potential for a working gate here? Even a small reduction in exit force over iron alone, would be overunity. What do you think? Butch From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 20 11:09:37 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA25074; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 11:09:35 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 11:09:35 -0700 Message-ID: <380E1349.5F0C3C45@harti.com> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 20:08:57 +0100 From: Stefan Hartmann Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, "JNaudin509@aol.com" Subject: Re: The M.Meyer-Mace solid state energy converter X-Priority: 1 (Highest) References: <0.bcb5b0b6.253ec9d1@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"OIFF-1.0.g76.VLW3u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12597 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: http://www.geocities.com/alcor17/OverUnit/patents/SV03.jpg This diagram on this pic reminds me much to the Coler magnetstrom apparatus. It also had a frequency of about 180 Khz and also used iron rods, where the current went through... Jl, are you trying to build such a thing now ? Regards, Stefan. JNaudin509@aol.com schrieb: > > Dear all, > > You will find below an interesting device (not yet tested by myself). > > The Michel Meyer-Mace solid state energy converter > from the Patent # FR9110472 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > This patented generator is a solid-state generator which uses the nuclear > resonant ferromagnetic effect in a cylindrical rod of iron(56). This effect > has been named by the inventors the "isotopic mutation effect". > They use a common iron rod (isotopic number 56) with 3 simple coils wound > around it. > This rod is placed between a U shaped core (soft iron) for closing the > magnetic circuit and thus reducing the magnetic losses (see the diagram below > (use the courier 10 fonts)). > > #1 #2 #3 > XX:===HH===HH===HH===:XX #1: Ind.coil (0.5 tesla)permanent B-field > XX:===HH===HH===HH===:XX #2: Excit.coil (21Mhz sine wave at 10e-4 tesla) > XX XX #3: Output coil > XX XX :===: > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX :===: the iron(56)cylindrical rod > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX <---- Soft iron (U shaped) > > The inventors claim that if we introduce 105 eV to the iron (isotope 56), its > change to the iron isotope 54. The energy generated by this nuclear reaction > inside the iron rod will produce an energy gain of 20,000 eV. The energy > required for generating the isotopic mutation is produced by a nuclear > magnetic resonance effect. The parametric excitation is obtained by the coil > #2 acting as the pump. > The energy output is collected by the coil #3 which is able to produce > 110-220-380V at 400Hz. > The iron rod is used as the main source of energy by isotopic mutation > effect, thus, this will provide a simple and cheap source of energy for a > long time. > The inventors claim that this device can be used for building self-powered > elecrical power supplies. > > Translated from the patent FR9110472 "Activateur pour mutation isotopique" by > Jean-Louis Naudin. > > Others reference documents : > - Patent FR7421213 "Générateur électrique autonome" by Michel Meyer > - Sciences et vie "Une centrale électrique chez soi" by Renaud de la Taille > > Note from JL Naudin : This remind me the principle used in the Sweet device, > the Inductor coil can also be replaced by two simple magnets and the iron rod > by a simple iron plate between them. > See the TEP v8.0 device at : http://members.aol.com/overunity4/html/tep80.htm > and also "Nothing is something" by Floyd A.Sweet > http://members.aol.com/overunity4/nothing/nothing.htm > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Best Regards > Jean-Louis Naudin > Email: Jnaudin509@aol.com > Overunity Web site: http://members.aol.com/jnaudin509/index.htm > eGroup:http://www.egroups.com/group/jlnlabs/ -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. In. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 20 11:28:55 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA04565; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 11:28:54 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 11:28:54 -0700 Message-ID: <380E17D4.ACCEFE37@harti.com> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 20:28:20 +0100 From: Stefan Hartmann Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, Newman-L Mailing List Subject: Re:Sweet VTA links... X-Priority: 1 (Highest) References: <0.bcb5b0b6.253ec9d1@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"-r-Qx2.0.A71.bdW3u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12598 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > See the TEP v8.0 device at : http://members.aol.com/overunity4/html/tep80.htm > and also "Nothing is something" by Floyd A.Sweet > http://members.aol.com/overunity4/nothing/nothing.htm The right picture link for the Sweet VTA is: http://members.xoom.com/jlnlabs/images/vtapics.jpg Here is a movie from a VHS tape I have: http://mars.spaceports.com/~over/movies/vtatouch.mpg Here is the audio part of it in RealAudio: http://mars.spaceports.com/~over/movies/vtatouch.ra Best regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. In. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 20 11:44:52 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA09070; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 11:44:42 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 11:44:42 -0700 Message-ID: <380E0E02.942@cyberportal.net> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 14:46:26 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nu Energy Horizons Subject: Re: Book orders References: <000c01bf1afb$69df0440$982be6cf@sendalan.ldd.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"6ik291.0.cD2.PsW3u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12599 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Alan wrote: > > How do we go about ordering your new book? Go to -> http://www.nuenergy.org/back.htm -BAP From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 20 11:54:25 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA13182; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 11:54:23 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 11:54:23 -0700 Message-ID: <380E1043.1E4D@cyberportal.net> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 14:56:03 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Harris, Cliff" CC: nuenergy@listbot.com, nuenergy2@listbot.com, freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Can't find some files References: <80ACD3ECB8E1D111B1A60060080A7C5015707C@ip8.sac.utoronto.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"vlA-z2.0.tD3.U_W3u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12600 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Harris, Cliff wrote: > > I was reading Bill Beaty's free energy list archives and found two links > to your site posted by Bruce, namely, > > http://www.cyberportal.net/nuenergy/manual.pdf New URL -> http://www.nuenergy.org/pdf/manual.pdf > > http://www.cyberportal.net/nuenergy/coldfiss.txt http://www.nuenergy.org/text/coldfiss.txt > > In both cases I get a "404 Not Found" error when I try to go to these > links. Could you please give me the correct links so that I can check > these out? Thanks. Some of my files got shifted around once the new domain came into effect. -BAP From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 20 12:01:39 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA13430; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 12:00:49 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 12:00:49 -0700 (PDT) From: JNaudin509@aol.com Message-ID: <0.a3a82cfe.253f6ab0@aol.com> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 14:57:52 EDT Subject: Re: The M.Meyer-Mace solid state energy converter To: harti@harti.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 166 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx2.eskimo.com id MAA13409 Resent-Message-ID: <"WwrYZ.0.lH3.V5X3u"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12601 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dans un courrier daté du 20/10/99 20:09:42é), harti@harti.com a écrit : > http://www.geocities.com/alcor17/OverUnit/patents/SV03.jpg > > This diagram on this pic reminds me much to the > Coler magnetstrom apparatus. > > It also had a frequency of about 180 Khz and > also used iron rods, where the current went through... > Jl, are you trying to build such a thing now ? May be soon... :-) Stay tuned... Regards Jean-Louis From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 20 13:00:11 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA05521; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 12:59:54 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 12:59:54 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 09:59:45 -1000 Subject: Re: Need verifying of test From: "Rick Monteverde" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <199910201559759.SM00103@[192.168.0.2]> Resent-Message-ID: <"5yzHg3.0.5M1.wyX3u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12602 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Butch - > What do you think? What happens to the moving magnet after the rod is successfully withdrawn? Isn't it stuck down against the other magnet(s)? Nothing is gained if you have to exert restoring force to return *all* the elements to their former positions. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 20 13:36:57 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA18314; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 13:36:43 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 13:36:43 -0700 Message-ID: <380E21D6.B239682B@infovia.com.ar> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 17:11:03 -0300 From: Juan de la Cruz Barrios X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [es] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: es MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: The M.Meyer-Mace solid state energy converter References: <0.22568412.253f467b@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Ty0nZ.0.0U4.QVY3u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12603 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hello Jean, There is three files with cuts at middle..... It are: BR74-07.jpg, BR91-01.jpg and SV04.jpg. Maybe they are in another place? Thanks, Juan. JNaudin509@aol.com escribió: > Dans un courrier daté du 20/10/99 18:14:19é), jdelac@infovia.com.ar a écrit : > > > Hello to all, > > > > Could anyone tell me where is the french patent server? > > > > Thanks in advance, Juan. > > > You may find the full patents with diagrams and the documents at : > http://www.geocities.com/alcor17/OverUnit/patents/ > > Best Regards, > > Jean-Louis From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 20 13:59:14 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA27440; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 13:59:12 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 13:59:12 -0700 X-Fidalgo-Track-MAIL-A: pm3-1-dyn40.skagit.fidalgo.net [209.191.182.55] X-Fidalgo-Track-MAIL-B: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 13:59:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <025a01bf1b3c$805e13a0$204a66d1@w7o9k8> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: The M.Meyer-Mace solid state energy converter Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 13:29:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"4LRKf2.0.ai6.VqY3u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12604 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Stefan, I also noticed the similarity in frequency. But isn't that a copper (cuivre) rod in that picture? Fred > >This diagram on this pic reminds me much to the >Coler magnetstrom apparatus. > >It also had a frequency of about 180 Khz and >also used iron rods, where the current went through... >Jl, are you trying to build such a thing now ? > >Regards, Stefan. > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 20 14:11:54 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA00665; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 14:11:43 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 14:11:43 -0700 Message-ID: <380E3DFE.22CB271A@harti.com> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 23:11:10 +0100 From: Stefan Hartmann Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: The M.Meyer-Mace solid state energy converter X-Priority: 2 (High) References: <025a01bf1b3c$805e13a0$204a66d1@w7o9k8> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"4gpvL1.0.IA.E0Z3u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12605 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Fred Epps schrieb: > > Hi Stefan, > > I also noticed the similarity in frequency. But isn't that a copper (cuivre) > rod in that picture? > > Fred Yes, Fred, but in the french text there is also mentioned, that it also works with aluminium and iron ! Hmm, maybe it works best with Cuivre ( Copper) ? Simular things are reported by the ATGROUP in their DCG, that it works best with Copper material. BTW, they just updated their site with a very good infos, so check them out at: http://web.wt.net/~atg0317/ Their CDs are really worth buying ! I have already experimented a lot with their DCG. Regards, Stefan. > > > >This diagram on this pic reminds me much to the > >Coler magnetstrom apparatus. > > > >It also had a frequency of about 180 Khz and > >also used iron rods, where the current went through... > >Jl, are you trying to build such a thing now ? > > > >Regards, Stefan. > > -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. In. 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From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 20 14:55:28 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA21329; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 14:55:23 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 14:55:23 -0700 X-Fidalgo-Track-MAIL-A: pm3-1-dyn27.skagit.fidalgo.net [209.191.182.42] X-Fidalgo-Track-MAIL-B: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 14:55:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <002101bf1b44$75c2f3e0$2ab6bfd1@w7o9k8> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: The M.Meyer-Mace solid state energy converter Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 14:37:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"zujSm1.0.yC5.8fZ3u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12606 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Stefan, >> >> I also noticed the similarity in frequency. But isn't that a copper (cuivre) >> rod in that picture? > >Yes, Fred, but in the french text there is also mentioned, >that it also works with aluminium and iron ! Really?? with the same frequency?? That would be very strange, and indicate that it is not a material effect at all but some antenna or something... > >Hmm, maybe it works best with Cuivre ( Copper) ? I have no idea. I am translating it one sentence at a time by retyping on the babelfish site. I may be finished before the millenium, the one in 3000 that is :-) > >Simular things are reported by the ATGROUP in their DCG, >that it works best with Copper material. >BTW, they just updated their site with a very good infos, >so check them out at: > >http://web.wt.net/~atg0317/ Yes I see. > >Their CDs are really worth buying ! I plan on it. I just bought Frolov's CD so it will have to wait until next week. I am also looking forward to their CD on the BiPeg project because of its similarity to TEP. > Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 20 14:55:34 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA21458; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 14:55:31 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 14:55:31 -0700 X-Fidalgo-Track-MAIL-A: pm3-1-dyn27.skagit.fidalgo.net [209.191.182.42] X-Fidalgo-Track-MAIL-B: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 14:55:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <002201bf1b44$78bc5dc0$2ab6bfd1@w7o9k8> From: "Fred Epps" To: Cc: Subject: Re: Re:Sweet VTA links... Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 14:45:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"f5o3N3.0.8D5.8fZ3u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12607 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Stefan, > >> See the TEP v8.0 device at : http://members.aol.com/overunity4/html/tep80.htm Hmm, an interesting design. It is like a ferromagnetic resonance device, in a way. Not really parametric. I know at one point Jean-louis and I talked about gyrator type devices with this sort of structure. Jean-louis, did you ever build and test this? Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 20 18:04:33 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA20006; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 18:04:18 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 18:04:18 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.16.19991020172519.21871aa2@earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (16) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 17:25:19 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: Lorentz force and drag In-Reply-To: <009701bf1ad0$d2f2a3e0$1cb6bfd1@w7o9k8> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"s2BhE3.0.Ou4.GQc3u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12608 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Fred and all, At 12:43 AM 10/20/99 -0700, you wrote: > >Here's another one for you. Four flat spiral coils overlaid on top of each >other. A flat copper disc rests on top of the coils, with a circuit from the >outer edge through a resistor to the center, like in a homopolar. > Each coil input is offset 90 degrees from the one before. A switching >circuit energizes each coil in turn, like a virtual rotation. Will there be >a virtually rotating magnetic field resulting from this? Will there be a >radial current induced in the copper disc? > Are the coils arranged like a cloverleaf? If so the magnetic field will "move" from one to the next. This is a real moving field, not a "virtual" one? If not, I don't understand the arrangement. -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 20 19:04:49 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA07816; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 19:04:44 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 19:04:44 -0700 From: dave.tingley@juno.com To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 21:45:50 -0400 Subject: Re: The M.Meyer-Mace solid state energy converter Message-ID: <19991020.215227.211.2.dave.tingley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 3.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-4,6-13 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 Resent-Message-ID: <"vn6I4.0.1w1.yId3u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12609 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Babelfish will translate a whole web page if you put in the URL, only the text though. Dave On Wed, 20 Oct 1999 14:37:46 -0700 "Fred Epps" writes: > Hi Stefan, > I have no idea. I am translating it one sentence at a time by > retyping on > the babelfish site. I may be finished before the millenium, the one > in 3000 > that is :-) > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 20 20:54:05 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA12522; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 20:53:32 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 20:53:32 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.16.19991020201146.1e671bcc@earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (16) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 20:11:46 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: Need verifying of test In-Reply-To: <0.2653604e.253f5f34@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"u5Ggl2.0.Z33.xue3u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12610 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Butch, At 02:08 PM 10/20/99 EDT, you wrote: >Your test results are identical to my results. Do you see any potential for a >working gate here? Even a small reduction in exit force over iron alone, >would be overunity. >What do you think? >Butch > My guess is that the work to move the magnet to the end and remove it is the same as the initial attraction. It is based on the simpler problem with only one magnet on the end, with a pole repelling the moving magnet. I don't have the equipment to verify it, though, and haven't sucessfully built any type of permanent magnet motor. I have seen unusual effects, though. -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 20 21:54:39 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA30678; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 21:54:29 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 21:54:29 -0700 Message-ID: <19991021045506.20577.rocketmail@web804.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 21:55:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Fred Epps Subject: Re: The M.Meyer-Mace solid state energy converter To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"TSgPr1.0.FV7.5of3u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12611 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Dave, Problem is, what I want to translate is on scanned pages :-/ I will use my dictionaries until I lose it then retype and paste in babelfish. Maybe I will learn a bit of french that way. Of course then there is al lthe Russian and German stuff I want to read :-) --- dave.tingley@juno.com wrote: > Babelfish will translate a whole web page if you put > in the URL, only the > text though. > > Dave > > On Wed, 20 Oct 1999 14:37:46 -0700 "Fred Epps" > > writes: > > Hi Stefan, > > > I have no idea. I am translating it one sentence > at a time by > > retyping on > > the babelfish site. I may be finished before the > millenium, the one > > in 3000 > > that is :-) > > > > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 20 21:59:08 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA32555; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 21:59:06 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 21:59:06 -0700 Message-ID: <19991021045940.23766.rocketmail@web801.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 21:59:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Fred Epps Subject: Re: Lorentz force and drag To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"zBxad.0.Wy7.Qsf3u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12612 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Dave, > > > >Here's another one for you. Four flat spiral coils > overlaid on top of each > >other. A flat copper disc rests on top of the > coils, with a circuit from the > >outer edge through a resistor to the center, like > in a homopolar. > > Each coil input is offset 90 degrees from the one > before. A switching > >circuit energizes each coil in turn, like a virtual > rotation. Will there be > >a virtually rotating magnetic field resulting from > this? Will there be a > >radial current induced in the copper disc? > > > Are the coils arranged like a cloverleaf? No, they are right on top of each other, with axes aligned. They are identical but each is rotated 90 degrees from the previous one. And energized in rotation, as I said. Fred ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 20 22:07:59 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA04477; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 22:07:57 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 22:07:57 -0700 From: JNaudin509@aol.com Message-ID: <0.7353eb8d.253ff9ab@aol.com> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 01:07:55 EDT Subject: Re: Sweet VTA links... To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 166 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id WAA04458 Resent-Message-ID: <"On4cU.0.r51.j-f3u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12613 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dans un courrier daté du 21/10/99 00:11:13é), fepps@fidalgo.net a écrit : > >> See the TEP v8.0 device at : > http://members.aol.com/overunity4/html/tep80.htm > > Hmm, an interesting design. It is like a ferromagnetic resonance device, in > a way. Not really parametric. I know at one point Jean-louis and I talked > about gyrator type devices with this sort of structure. Jean-louis, did you > ever build and test this? > > Fred No yet, Jean-Louis From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 20 22:15:07 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA07632; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 22:15:06 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 22:15:06 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.16.19991020220406.2247eaf2@earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (16) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 22:04:06 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: Lorentz force and drag In-Reply-To: <19991021045940.23766.rocketmail@web801.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"-3bnD3.0.3t1.P5g3u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12614 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Fred, At 09:59 PM 10/20/99 -0700, you wrote: >No, they are right on top of each other, with axes >aligned. They are identical but each is rotated 90 >degrees from the previous one. I guess I don't understand the 90 deg. rotation. If you rotate a coil about its axis, isn't it the same (ideally for a circle)? Or are you talking more like polarization from a helix antenna, rotation causing a phase shift?? -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 20 22:31:08 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA12273; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 22:31:04 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 22:31:04 -0700 From: Keasy@aol.com Message-ID: <0.1694046a.253fff11@aol.com> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 01:30:57 EDT Subject: Re: Lorentz force and drag To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 41 Resent-Message-ID: <"8AjXZ2.0.g_2.NKg3u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12615 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Fred, Dave, In a message dated 10/20/99 10:16:11 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ddameron@earthlink.net writes: > > >No, they are right on top of each other, with axes > >aligned. They are identical but each is rotated 90 > >degrees from the previous one. > > I guess I don't understand the 90 deg. rotation. > If you rotate a coil about its axis, isn't it the same (ideally for a circle) > ? > Or are you talking more like polarization from a helix antenna, rotation > causing a phase shift?? > -Dave > In addition, won't this be a little tricky to actually do, because every time you put a current in one coil it seems it will induce a voltage in the three others? Ken From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Oct 20 22:57:22 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA20337; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 22:57:19 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 22:57:19 -0700 From: JNaudin509@aol.com Message-ID: <0.87812ec1.25400530@aol.com> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 01:57:04 EDT Subject: Re: The M.Meyer-Mace solid state energy converter To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 166 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id WAA20315 Resent-Message-ID: <"V7WQr1.0.gz4.-ig3u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12616 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dans un courrier daté du 21/10/99 06:57:21é), f_epps@yahoo.com a écrit : > Problem is, what I want to translate is on scanned > pages :-/ > I will use my dictionaries until I lose it then retype > and paste in babelfish. Maybe I will learn a bit of > french that way. If you need help for the French translation about some sentences in the Meyer patents, lets me know... Regards, Jean-Louis From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 21 00:06:53 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id AAA00968; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 00:06:42 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 00:06:42 -0700 Message-ID: <19991021070716.4478.rocketmail@web802.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 00:07:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Fred Epps Subject: Re: Lorentz force and drag To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"I1ehc1.0._E.-jh3u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12617 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Dave, > > > >Here's another one for you. Four flat spiral coils > overlaid on top of each > >other. A flat copper disc rests on top of the > coils, with a circuit from the > >outer edge through a resistor to the center, like > in a homopolar. > > Each coil input is offset 90 degrees from the one > before. A switching > >circuit energizes each coil in turn, like a virtual > rotation. Will there be > >a virtually rotating magnetic field resulting from > this? Will there be a > >radial current induced in the copper disc? > > > Are the coils arranged like a cloverleaf? No, they are right on top of each other, with axes aligned. They are identical but each is rotated 90 degrees from the previous one. And energized in rotation, as I said. Fred ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 21 00:07:34 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id AAA01146; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 00:07:30 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 00:07:30 -0700 Message-ID: <19991021070806.3724.rocketmail@web804.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 00:08:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Fred Epps Subject: Re: The M.Meyer-Mace solid state energy converter To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"wXEbS.0.gH.mkh3u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12618 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Dave, Problem is, what I want to translate is on scanned pages :-/ I will use my dictionaries until I lose it then retype and paste in babelfish. Maybe I will learn a bit of french that way. Of course then there is al lthe Russian and German stuff I want to read :-) --- dave.tingley@juno.com wrote: > Babelfish will translate a whole web page if you put > in the URL, only the > text though. > > Dave > > On Wed, 20 Oct 1999 14:37:46 -0700 "Fred Epps" > > writes: > > Hi Stefan, > > > I have no idea. I am translating it one sentence > at a time by > > retyping on > > the babelfish site. I may be finished before the > millenium, the one > > in 3000 > > that is :-) > > > > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 21 00:13:07 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id AAA04766; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 00:13:06 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 00:13:06 -0700 From: JNaudin509@aol.com Message-ID: <0.d1cdc013.254016f8@aol.com> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 03:12:56 EDT Subject: Re: The M.Meyer-Mace solid state energy converter To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_0.d1cdc013.254016f8_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 166 Resent-Message-ID: <"wAA1V3.0.NA1.2qh3u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12619 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: --part1_0.d1cdc013.254016f8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi All, In the attached doc, you will find the diagram of the M.Meyer-Mace device. 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X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id BAA17700 Resent-Message-ID: <"sNAo72.0.kK4.P9j3u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12620 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I'm trying to duplicate the Jean-Louis Naudin Proof Of Concept PFT device but I'm having trouble detecting any movement of the charged capacitor. I have enough DC voltage to jump an air-gap of over 1 inch. My capacitor measures l2Opf. It's the same type of cap. (a CD case-lid covered with aluminium foil square, suspended from about 2 foot of fishing line and two thin copper wires (0V and 30kV), wires terminate 0.5 inch from the edge of the cap. Plenty of ion glow, ozone, hissing and crackling but no thrust (except from ion-wind). I did notice that the charged capacitor does move towards any (non-conductive) object in close proximity... hmmm. Questions: Is the thrust miniscule? Does the thrust occur only when the cap. is charging? Do I NEED the neon? How to connect copper wires to the aluminium foil? Should they be in 'point-contact'? What are the names of the three vectors? (SxExH) Voltage measurment: Would eack 0.5 inch air spark gap = 25kV? - Allan. ---- ---- ---- ---- Reply with your 'text-only' message to: adsaa@turboweb.net.au From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 21 02:42:40 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id CAA25681; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 02:42:38 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 02:42:38 -0700 From: JNaudin509@aol.com Message-ID: <0.714d6059.25403a09@aol.com> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 05:42:33 EDT Subject: Re: Thrustless PFT To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: adsaa@turboweb.net.au MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 166 Resent-Message-ID: <"3eS0z1.0.AH6.D0k3u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12621 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dear Allan, Thanks for your interest about the PFT experiment replication. on 21/10/99 10:45:37, adsaa@turboweb.net.au you wrote : > Questions: > Is the thrust miniscule? The resulting thrust is weak in the case of the experiment with the CD Box. > Does the thrust occur only when the cap. is charging? The most important things for increasing significantly the resulting thrust is to use a dielectric which have a good relaxation time and also sustain a continuous flow of energy inside the dielectric medium, this can be done easily by using the leakage current. The required condition for a continuous motion a to sustain the charging process because the S-Flow is only active during the charging/discharging process. In my experiment, the capacitor is set in motion during the charging process, there is some leakage current through the wires and on the armatures so there is a kind of "continuous transient" charging process. It is necessary to sustain this "continuous of transient charging process" because the Poynting vector is only active during the charging/discharging process. > Do I NEED the neon? No the Neon is used only for viewing the leakage current. > How to connect copper wires to the aluminium foil? Should they be in > 'point-contact'? The experimental setup used: The flat capacitor has been built with a common CD-ROM plastic box ( 125 x142 x 10 mm ) made with plexiglas (as dielectric ( thickness = 1mm ). The outside and the inside have been covered by an aluminum sheet (120 x 110 mm) . The apparatus has been tethered with nylon wire on a specialy balanced equipement. Two thin copper wires have been connected at 10 mm distance from the edge of each armature ( one has been connected to the zero potential and the other to the 30kV DC High Voltage generator ). In the picture ( http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/delany/256/images/pft1a.jpg) you can see the wires connection, as you notice one of the armature is placed in a closed bow (the CD box). The most important thing to do is to place the wire connections (above and below) near to the same edge of the armature ( at about 10mm ). > What are the names of the three vectors? (SxExH) This is S=ExH > Voltage measurment: Would eack 0.5 inch air spark gap = 25kV? Yes, the voltage can bea easily measured with breakdown voltage in spark gap. I suggest you to visit the Jim Lux High Voltage at : http://home.earthlink.net/~jimlux/hv/hvmain.htm You will find some very interesting advices for your HV setup. What kind of power supply have you used ? The PFT works well with the diagram at : http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/delany/256/html/30kvgen.htm I have noticed that the thrust can be significantly increase with a pulsed DC power supply. The ripple in the solid state HV power supply may contribute to this. I hope this will help you to soon succeed in your test. Good luck in your experiment and don't forget to discharge de capacitor before touch it... :-) Best Regards, Jean-Louis Naudin Email: Jnaudin509@aol.com Overunity Web site: http://members.aol.com/jnaudin509/index.htm eGroup:http://www.egroups.com/group/jlnlabs/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 21 04:41:41 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id EAA08516; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 04:41:30 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 04:41:30 -0700 Message-ID: <380EFC55.3394@cyberportal.net> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 07:43:17 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nuenergy2@listbot.com CC: nuenergy@listbot.com, freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Star-mode Electrode Formula Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"9nzCc.0.u42.fll3u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12622 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: didi feberrus wrote: > > i ever mention how i dislike games? you mean the secret formula? i don't > want to guess wrong on something like this. yes i see that the power is some > sort of incident radiation that the star mode regulates. have you made > something that takes energy from the star-mode itself? No, the formulas for "cold fusion" and nuclear reactions in general. The star-mode is not critical for the RE device. What is really important is that we have glow discharge in the switching tubes. However, if you are using star-mode for hot fusion then it matters alot... two different ballgames altogether. In the RE device energy is fed from the valve to the tank circuit. The valve is the gateway... it is where the energy transforms from potential to kinetic energy. If you have read http://www.nuenergy.org/stone.htm then you have the formula for the star-mode electrodes. Mr. Calvin Bahlmann uses a variation in his formula... both formulas work the same to me. The tricky part is to get the material to coat onto the electrodes. Get off the couch, or should I say soapbox? Get your hands dirty and do some experimenting! -Bruce A. Perreault > > > > > > It is in there! Chapter 6 is ALPHA FUSION. > > The formula has been spelled out for you. > > You are over-looking the obvious... > > > > > > -BAP From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 21 07:51:37 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id HAA32192; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 07:51:24 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 07:51:24 -0700 Message-ID: <380F224E.96669A0E@infovia.com.ar> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 11:25:19 -0300 From: Juan de la Cruz Barrios X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [es] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: es MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, interact@keelynet.com Subject: GEET FREE PLANS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ecKwF1.0.ps7.hXo3u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12623 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi all! GEET finally release your plans for FREE at: http://www.friend.ly.net/GEET/plans.htm Best wishes, Juan. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 21 12:28:33 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA10007; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 12:28:19 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 12:28:19 -0700 From: MKSBoysal@aol.com Message-ID: <0.cf8cb04b.2540c332@aol.com> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 15:27:46 EDT Subject: GEET releases Technology for FREE! To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Resent-Message-ID: <"-0Isv2.0.9S2.Ibs3u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12624 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: << Hi all, Could someone make actual drawings of this (geet technology that are published for free) you'll see there are a lots of pictures, but not a drawing at all. Any person with a good common sense and good will, if there truly giving away something (I think) should do it right! Rather then makes you wonder around to try to figure out which is already out there. Mehmet.>> GEET releases Technology for FREE! Updated 10-21-99 Paul & Molley Pantone founders of Global Environmental Energy Technology and GEET Management, LLC recently announced that they would release their "Small Engine Plans" (< 20 HP) for FREE! This is a shareware release for "Private Use Only" to convert small gasoline stationary electric generators up to 10 kW! High school students with no technical background have been able to successfully build and run an engine over a weekend from plans. They are doing this to benefit mankind and to help save lives if Y2K electrical supply problems are a reality. Here is the link: FREE - GEET Plans http://www.friend.ly.net/GEET/plans.htm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 21 12:40:21 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA14383; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 12:40:19 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 12:40:19 -0700 From: DEADWATE@aol.com Message-ID: <0.8d81d41f.2540c618@aol.com> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 15:40:08 EDT Subject: Re: GEET releases Technology for FREE! To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 41 Resent-Message-ID: <"Ld7-m2.0.TW3.Wms3u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12625 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Too many details are missing. Too much left to guessing. It will be too bad when someone gets hurt! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 21 12:43:08 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA15773; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 12:43:07 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 12:43:07 -0700 Message-ID: <380F7AA5.55C8C499@mail.admiral.ru> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 23:42:13 +0300 From: "Alexander V. Frolov" Reply-To: a2509@yahoo.com, frolov@mail.admiral.ru Organization: Home Lab X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: GEET FREE PLANS References: <380F224E.96669A0E@infovia.com.ar> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"E1-zo2.0.Ms3.Bps3u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12626 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Sirs, What is the idea of GEET technology? What fuel he produce or what is the fuel for upgraded car, diesel and so on? Alexander V. Frolov ---------------------- Juan de la Cruz Barrios wrote: > Hi all! > > GEET finally release your plans for FREE at: > > http://www.friend.ly.net/GEET/plans.htm > > Best wishes, Juan. -- http://www.time-machine.spb.ru POB 37, 193024, St.-Petersburg, Russia 7-812-2747877 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 21 13:03:01 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA24029; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 13:02:58 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 13:02:58 -0700 Message-ID: <380F6B2F.FE5C7971@infovia.com.ar> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 16:36:16 -0300 From: Juan de la Cruz Barrios X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [es] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: es MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, frolov@mail.admiral.ru Subject: Re: GEET FREE PLANS References: <380F224E.96669A0E@infovia.com.ar> <380F7AA5.55C8C499@mail.admiral.ru> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"j7bbh1.0.Mt5.o5t3u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12627 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Alexander and all, I haven't read the entire article but the fuel is anything (gasoil, gasoline, kerosene), mixed with water to gain maximum mileage from your new carburator "plasma based". They claim zero polution too. Regards, Juan. "Alexander V. Frolov" escribió: > Sirs, > > What is the idea of GEET technology? What fuel he produce or what is the > fuel for upgraded car, diesel and so on? > > Alexander V. Frolov > ---------------------- > > Juan de la Cruz Barrios wrote: > > > Hi all! > > > > GEET finally release your plans for FREE at: > > > > http://www.friend.ly.net/GEET/plans.htm > > > > Best wishes, Juan. > > -- > http://www.time-machine.spb.ru > POB 37, 193024, St.-Petersburg, Russia > 7-812-2747877 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 21 13:38:38 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA05050; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 13:38:28 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 13:38:28 -0700 From: MKSBoysal@aol.com Message-ID: <0.544bf787.2540d3bb@aol.com> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 16:38:19 EDT Subject: GEET releases Technology for FREE! To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Resent-Message-ID: <"-nP-L2.0.kE1.4dt3u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12628 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: << Hi all, Could someone make actual drawings of this (geet technology that are published for free?) you'll see there are a lots of pictures, but not a drawing at all. Any person with a good common sense and good will, if he's out there truly giving away something (I think) should do it right! Rather then makes you wonder around to try to figure how it works, which is already out there. Mehmet.>> GEET releases Technology for FREE! Updated 10-21-99 Paul & Molley Pantone founders of Global Environmental Energy Technology and GEET Management, LLC recently announced that they would release their "Small Engine Plans" (< 20 HP) for FREE! This is a shareware release for "Private Use Only" to convert small gasoline stationary electric generators up to 10 kW! High school students with no technical background have been able to successfully build and run an engine over a weekend from plans. They are doing this to benefit mankind and to help save lives if Y2K electrical supply problems are a reality. Here is the link: FREE - GEET Plans http://www.friend.ly.net/GEET/plans.htm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 21 13:54:13 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA11991; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 13:54:11 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 13:54:11 -0700 Message-ID: <380F8B59.FD6D6C1C@harti.com> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 22:53:29 +0100 From: Stefan Hartmann Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Newman-L Mailing List , Free Energy Subject: Re: Eternal Light, Anybody else experimenting with =?iso-8859-1?Q?ATGROUP=B4s?= DCG ? X-Priority: 1 (Highest) References: <3808B964.D1869DAA@harti.com> <3809026D.417@pacbell.net> <380AB7C6.F1A14538@harti.com> <000601bf1974$f4ac5a60$4859bfa8@ddns.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"hN11h1.0.Gx2.ort3u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12629 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Yes, I ordered thier DCG CD -File and am experimenting with it. The problem still is how to design a 100 to 500 Khz Sine wave generator with 2000 to 3000 Volts AC RMS output and just 100 milliWatts of DC input power !? It does not need to have any real power output, just the AC output VOLTAGE is important ! Has anybody a good circuit diagram for this ? How fast are ferrite cores ? Can they still work at 500 kHz ? More info is at: http://web.wt.net/~atg0317/ regards, Stefan. IRONROD schrieb: > > Have you Stefan ordered any of their kits in arcing? > > Ben > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Stefan Hartmann > To: Newman-L Mailing List > Sent: Monday, October 18, 1999 2:01 AM > Subject: Re: Eternal Light, Anybody else experimenting with ATGROUPīs DCG ? > > > You can also buy the Online ZIP file, > > which they noramlly put onto the CD-ROM. > > > > It is a WORD or HTML doc file > > with all informations. > > > > Go to thier web site and have a look: > > > > http://web.wt.net/~atg0317/ > > > > Regards, Stefan. > > > > > > Greg East schrieb: > > > > > > Stefan Hartmann wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > I have bought the DCG CD-ROM from ATGROUP. > > > > > > > > Has anybody else done this also and is also experimenting with it in > > > > this moment ? > > > > > > > > I would like to share a few ideas with someone, who is also ACTIVELY > > > > working with it > > > > right now. > > > > > > > > Please let me know. > > > > I will not accept any statements like: > > > > "Please send me the ideas too" > > > > > > > > I have promised them not to give out their basic ideas, so they can > > > > still sell > > > > their CD-Roms. > > > > > > > > So you must send me a picture from their CD-ROM, so I know you really > > > > have bought their > > > > CD-ROM. > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot in advance. > > > > > > > > Regards, Stefan. > > > > > > Yea right...thanks a lot in advance. I don't have a CD-ROM player on my > > > computer. So I guess it leaves me out. Yep, thanks a lot in advance. > > > > > > Greg East > > > > -- > > Hartmann Multimedia Service, > > Dipl. In. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany > > Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 > > email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net > > http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! > > > > -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. In. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 21 14:01:32 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA16329; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 14:01:30 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 14:01:30 -0700 Message-ID: <380F8CC7.CE94805@harti.com> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 22:59:35 +0100 From: Stefan Hartmann Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, Newman-L Mailing List Subject: Re: GEET releases Technology for FREE! X-Priority: 2 (High) References: <0.544bf787.2540d3bb@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"1ZbMn3.0._-3.gyt3u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12630 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi, I am just listening to the Laura Lee show in RealAudio, featuring the GEET technology in an interview. Pretty interesting. Tune in here: http://talkspot.com/archives/Laura_Lee_On-line/mar99/9903273390.ram Best regards, Stefan. MKSBoysal@aol.com schrieb: > > << Hi all, > Could someone make actual drawings of this (geet technology that are > published for free?) you'll see there are a lots of pictures, but not a > drawing at all. Any person with a good common sense and good will, if he's > out there truly giving away something (I think) should do it right! Rather > then makes you wonder around to try to figure how it works, which is already > out there. > Mehmet.>> > > GEET releases Technology for FREE! > > > Here is the link: > FREE - GEET Plans > http://www.friend.ly.net/GEET/plans.htm -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. In. Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: +49 30 345 00 497, FAX: +49 30 345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com info@ccard.net http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Oct 21 22:53:20 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA17869; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 22:52:37 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 22:52:37 -0700 From: C2hoe@cs.com Message-ID: <0.c57935f2.254155a2@cs.com> Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 01:52:34 EDT Subject: Re: Warning Warning Warning... To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: CompuServe 2000 32-bit sub 27 Resent-Message-ID: <"mjUEm.0.6N4.bk_3u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12631 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I had to delete it twice! Because it showed up again after I had deleted it once, when I was opening the message which has been next to it and then I pressed the back-button..... There it was again! So I had to delete it again. Claudia << I saw that email last week. Deleted it with flourish! Barb c. >> From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 22 05:48:55 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id FAA14271; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 05:48:47 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 05:48:47 -0700 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on Linux X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <380F6B2F.FE5C7971@infovia.com.ar> Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 08:57:41 -0400 (EDT) Organization: Society for Real Time Sender: Charlie_Hodgson@s2systems.com From: Charlie Hodgson To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: GEET FREE PLANS Resent-Message-ID: <"5uNAo2.0.pU3.lq54u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12632 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On 21-Oct-99 Juan de la Cruz Barrios wrote: > .... They claim zero polution too. The claim of Zero-pollution bothers me, when one is using crude oil, or battery acid for that metter. They go on about efficiency, etc, but what becomes of the all the other components? What becomes the sulphur? I'm not certain of the typical sulphur content of various crudes, but surely battery acid has a very high content. Unless these elements are being transmutated to 'cleaner' elements (carbon,hydrogen,oxygen and other athmospheric gasses) how can they claim Zero Pollution? On 21-Oct-99 MKSBoysal@aol.com wrote: > << Hi all, > Any person with a good common sense and good will, if he's > out there truly giving away something (I think) should do it > right! Rather then makes you wonder around to try to figure > how it works, which is already out there. I was wondering about his last night. Do they really have a handle on thier technology? Or are they using this 'release' as a guise to get others to speculate, debate and pontificate on the technology? Thier mention of having set up a 'newsgroup' for the experimenters got me wondering..... Charlie From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 22 06:17:55 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA20608; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 06:17:53 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 06:17:53 -0700 Message-ID: <3810646C.178A@cyberportal.net> Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 09:19:40 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nu Energy Horizons CC: freenrg-L@eskimo.com, nuenergy2@listbot.com Subject: Re: Star-mode Electrode Formula References: <001d536d.c21508@globalcrossing.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"wKvsx.0.v15.1G64u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12633 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: martin_wolff@globalcrossing.com wrote: > > Firstly, I haven't yet got the book (maybe today) so I hope this isn't > covered. Anyway, once you have made the alloy, is it still electrically > conductive? Is cathode spluttering a good way to transfer it to the > electrodes? Is it coating the electrodes to save the amount of alloy that > needs to be made or can the electrodes be made of solid alloy. > > Martin. It really isn't an alloy. It is not really electrically conductive either, it is a semiconductor. The electrodes are not anything special. However, better to use a welding rod that is 3% thoriated. You grind the tip to a needle-point on your the grinder. -BAP From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 22 06:25:21 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA23896; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 06:25:18 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 06:25:18 -0700 Message-ID: <38106624.5F5E@cyberportal.net> Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 09:27:00 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Say What is On your Mind!" CC: nuenergy@listbot.com, freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Star-mode Electrode Formula References: <19991021144114.89926.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"dwqvv.0.Dr5.zM64u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12634 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: didi feberrus wrote: > > > > >No, the formulas for "cold fusion" and nuclear reactions in general. > >The star-mode is not critical for the RE device. What is really > >important is that we have glow discharge in the switching tubes. > > **** i saw the berrylium and alpha particle equation that was good. That equation is the basic for all radiactive reactions. Big brother will not want this cat out of the bag. > > >However, if you are using star-mode for hot fusion then it matters > >alot... two different ballgames altogether. > >In the RE device energy is fed from the valve to the tank circuit. > >The valve is the gateway... it is where the energy transforms from > >potential to kinetic energy. > > **** can your tube the glow regulator be used if coated with radon? Coating is incorrect... remember, radon is a gas... absorption is the correct term here. Yes, this is another way to get a switching tube to ionize. I believe the Coreas used thoriated tungsten in their tubes, correct me if I am wrong. > > > >If you have read http://www.nuenergy.org/stone.htm then you have the > >formula for the star-mode electrodes. Mr. Calvin Bahlmann uses a > >variation in his formula... both formulas work the same to me. The > >tricky part is to get the material to coat onto the electrodes. Get > >off the couch, or should I say soapbox? Get your hands dirty and do > >some experimenting! > > > ***** soap box? i preach from behind a turret gun it gurantees an attentive > audience. That's my girl. :) > > but enough of my philosophy. lots of materials mentioned. i will > guess polonium-238 however as it likes making alpha particles. if it is > polonium put a smile face in your message. if it is thorium put a sad face. > if it is argenti-zinc sulfide put a series of "a"'s. this way no violation > of your oath. You can use anything that emits radon gas... thoron is much better because you need less of it and there is not health risk involved. -Bruce A. Perreault From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 22 06:31:21 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA28525; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 06:31:19 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 06:31:19 -0700 Message-ID: <38106789.18AC@cyberportal.net> Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 09:32:57 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bob Paddock CC: freenrg-L@eskimo.com, nuenergy@listbot.com, nuenergy2@listbot.com Subject: Re: Star-mode Electrode Formula References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"IN-u3.0.cz6.dS64u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12635 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Bob Paddock wrote: > > >> Are you referring to the Abnormal Glow Region? > > > > > >Glow discharge is how the energy gets channeled into the > >RE device. I don't know if it is "Abnormal," but it is > >surely in the "glow region." > > > > If you take a look at > http://www.csonline.net/bpaddock/scalar/ > > I have a graph of the standard Neon NE- V/I curve. > > The "Abnormal Glow Region" is the point where the current > starts to rise just before the bulb extinguish. > > The "Normal Glow Region" is where the bulb exhibits a > negative resistance, and is the place of normal operation of > the bulb. > > All shown and explained on my page... Yes, I see the two peaks. However, the average energy content of the two seem to be equal. If you were to narrow the first peak you would get more amp flow... if you were to widen the second peak you would get less amp flow. "Equal and opposite reactions" hold true here. I do not see anything "abnormal" here. -BAP From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 22 08:21:23 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id IAA09603; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 08:21:05 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 08:21:05 -0700 MR-Received: by mta EUROPA; Relayed; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 11:20:41 -0400 (EDT) MR-Received: by mta GOSIP; Relayed; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 11:20:54 -0400 (EDT) Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 10:36:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Briggs 614-752-0199 Subject: Re: GEET FREE PLANS In-reply-to: To: freenrg-l Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 11:20:00 -0400 (EDT) Importance: normal Priority: normal UA-content-id: E2278ZYDUG7GGV X400-MTS-identifier: [;14021122019991/4198393@ODNVMS] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 2 Resent-Message-ID: <"2gZUA.0.yL2.X384u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12636 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Charlie, Actually they didn't start the listserver group. It was started by a Chad May, a Geet hobbyist, back in July. It is on the listserver site Onelist, available at www.onelist.com, do a topic search on "Geet". It even has a disclaimer at the bottom: "This mail-list was not started by the GEET Organization or Paul Pantone." A lot of nuts and bolts type discussions. Bill webriggs@concentric.net briggs@XLNsystems.com >I was wondering about his last night. Do they really have a handle on >thier technology? Or are they using this 'release' as a guise to get >others to speculate, debate and pontificate on the technology? Thier >mention of having set up a 'newsgroup' for the experimenters got me >wondering..... From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 22 08:39:55 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id IAA16361; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 08:39:53 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 08:39:53 -0700 Message-ID: <38107F03.1DCAF836@infovia.com.ar> Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 12:13:09 -0300 From: Juan de la Cruz Barrios X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [es] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: es MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, interact@keelynet.com Subject: gravity zero Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"u58p91.0.Y_3.9L84u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12637 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hello all, Days ago, I've seen in tv (Fox-sports) a F1 pilot flotating in a gravity zero room. I've seen only a end of the note and can't know where is this room. Someone know more about this ?, or how it's work? Thanks in advance. Regards, Juan. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 22 08:57:11 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id IAA23803; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 08:57:06 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 08:57:06 -0700 From: DEADWATE@aol.com Message-ID: <0.d065a4e0.2541e337@aol.com> Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 11:56:39 EDT Subject: Re: gravity zero To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 41 Resent-Message-ID: <"FjURW.0.mp5.Hb84u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12638 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: High altitude aircraft flying in an arc. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 22 17:14:42 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA12531; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 17:14:33 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 17:14:33 -0700 From: Me Reply-To: warlock@eskimo.com To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: gravity zero Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 17:10:58 -0700 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.21] Content-Type: text/plain References: <38107F03.1DCAF836@infovia.com.ar> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <99102217124300.00426@raven> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"NUVDS2.0.i33.etF4u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12639 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Fri, 22 Oct 1999, Juan de la Cruz Barrios wrote: > Hello all, > > Days ago, I've seen in tv (Fox-sports) a F1 pilot > flotating in a gravity zero room. I've seen only a end of the note and > can't know where is this room. > Someone know more about this ?, or how it's work? > Thanks in advance. > > Regards, Juan. Sounds like the vomit comet, a converted C-135 used by NASA to study weightless motion and effects. Just climb to a high altitude, and then fall. Lasts about 30 secs before they pull up. It's earned it's sobriquet. -- Jim Richardson Anarchist, pagan and proud of it WWW.eskimo.com/~warlock Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 22 19:39:27 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA14159; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 19:39:13 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 19:39:13 -0700 Message-ID: <38111F44.B4B8F7A@verisoft.com.tr> Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 05:36:52 +0300 From: hamdi ucar X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,tr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vortex , freenrg Subject: Effects of Magnetic Field on Metabolic Action in ... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"DIa5P3.0.5T3.H_H4u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12640 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi, See the innocent magnetic field in a closer look. Abstract: http://jjap.kopas.co.jp/cgi-bin/getarticle?magazine=JJAP&volume=38&number=10B&page=L1201-L1203 Paper: http://jjap.kopas.co.jp/journal/pdf/JJAP-38-10B/L1201.pdf or http://jjap.kopas.co.jp/journal/html/JJAP-38-10B/L1201/ Free registration is required. (I did) Regards, hamdi ucar Jpn. J. Appl. Phys. Vol.38(1999) pp.L1201-L1203 Part 2, No. 10B, 15 October 1999 Effects of Magnetic Field on Metabolic Action in the Peripheral Tissue Tatsyuki Kawakubo, Kazue Yamauchi and Takashi Kobayashi Faculty of Engineering, Toin University of Yokohama,1614 Kurogane-cho, Aoba-ku, Yokohama 225-8502, Japan (Received August 6, 1999 ; accepted for publication August 25, 1999 ) Abstract: The effect of magnetic field on metabolic action in the peripheral tissue was examined in 12 subjects by measuring skin temperature with a thermographic tracer and the binding ratio of oxygen to hemoglobin using an apparatus for detecting concentrations o f oxyhemoglobin and deoxyhemoglobin. The skin temperature was found to increase by 0.4-1.2°C after a 5-min exposure to a magnetic field of 0.45 or 1.2 T. The binding ratio of oxygen showed a rapid decrease with application of magnetic field, which indica ted the release of oxygen from hemoglobin. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Oct 22 21:28:28 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA17085; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 21:28:17 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 21:28:17 -0700 From: MKSBoysal@aol.com Message-ID: <0.8d66f15.25429354@aol.com> Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 00:28:04 EDT Subject: Re: GEET FREE PLANS To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Resent-Message-ID: <"fjDn72.0.rA4.WbJ4u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12641 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: << Hi Charlie, There is a friend of mine, he's an elderly guy that invested $5000 by becoming a dealer (to sell the technology) few years a go, same inventor he who offers supposedly "GEET FREE PLANS" to day, got he's maoney. That friend of mine he still has one of those early experimental 1 cylinder gas engine sitting in he's garage that inventor send him that runs with gas fumes less advance version that what he claims he got to day. Looks like, the morale of the story is that, if a man has a weakness for something, for sure, some smarter guy will get him. (Will sell him a contraption or some dealership idea to get his money) :.-( . Mehmet.>> On 21-Oct-99 Juan de la Cruz Barrios wrote: > .... They claim zero polution too. The claim of Zero-pollution bothers me, when one is using crude oil, or battery acid for that metter. They go on about efficiency, etc, but what becomes of the all the other components? What becomes the sulphur? I'm not certain of the typical sulphur content of various crudes, but surely battery acid has a very high content. Unless these elements are being transmutated to 'cleaner' elements (carbon,hydrogen,oxygen and other athmospheric gasses) how can they claim Zero Pollution? On 21-Oct-99 MKSBoysal@aol.com wrote: > << Hi all, > Any person with a good common sense and good will, if he's > out there truly giving away something (I think) should do it > right! Rather then makes you wonder around to try to figure > how it works, which is already out there. I was wondering about his last night. Do they really have a handle on thier technology? Or are they using this 'release' as a guise to get others to speculate, debate and pontificate on the technology? Thier mention of having set up a 'newsgroup' for the experimenters got me wondering..... Charlie >> From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 23 04:43:49 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id EAA06688; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 04:43:44 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 04:43:44 -0700 Message-Id: <199910231148.JAA10910@bigbox.plug-in.com.br> From: "Marcelo Puhl" Organization: Computec Ltda To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, interact@Keelynet.com Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 09:42:35 -2 Subject: Magnets question Reply-to: mark@plug-in.com.br Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Resent-Message-ID: <"3mbgZ3.0.Ie1.mzP4u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12642 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi, Say you have a 1 cm thick magnet plate, with poles at each side. If you measure the magnetic fields, you'll get the same strenght at each plate's sides, i.e, north and south poles are of the same field strenght. Now take another magnet and put it in repulsion mode near one side of that plate. The question is : does the magnetic field strenght at the opposite side of the plate change ? Thanks. Marcelo Puhl mark@plug-in.com.br ------------------------------------------- Get paid to surf the WEB ! Ganhe dinheiro enquanto surfa na Internet ! http://alladvantage.com/go.asp?refid=DTJ608 ------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 23 04:45:10 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id EAA07518; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 04:45:09 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 04:45:09 -0700 Message-ID: <3811A02E.5DA4@cyberportal.net> Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 07:46:54 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Say What is On your Mind!" CC: freenrg-L@eskimo.com, nuenergy@listbot.com Subject: Re: Blacklight Company References: <19991023030318.91258.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"3XVwK1.0.Nr1.5_P4u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12643 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > > now that wasn't to hard was it? the truth does not cause pain to the > enlightened. thanks for the star mode. i wonder what will happen with > blacklight now. what do you think? I will tell you this... the proton can not be broken down into smaller particles... mark these words. I will also say this... if Blacklight does not hold to their promises it will hurt alot of researchers. -Bruce A. Perreault From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 23 06:49:36 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA00617; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 06:49:31 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 06:49:31 -0700 Message-ID: <3811BD53.253D@cyberportal.net> Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 09:51:15 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nuenergy@listbot.com CC: freenrg-L@eskimo.com, nuenergy2@listbot.com Subject: Blacklight Catalysts? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ZTgi_1.0.T9.epR4u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12644 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: To whom it may concern, I strongly suspect that the "catalysts" being used to create unique compounds by the Blacklight Company are radioactive. If this be the case... it is no wonder that their "hydrino" theory came into existance. How else will the public except these new compounds? Radioisotopic science has only scratched the surface. This science so far... has only exposed the radio elements to the light of inspection. It has shed little light onto the nature of the many radioactive compounds. It is in my humble opinion (IMHO) that the Blacklight Company has stumbled upon these wonderous compounds. If these be the case, many doors in the new Millennium will be opened. Let me make this clear... I have no beef against Blacklight... they are doing a great service to humankind. However, they should tell the public the whole truth from the very start. That is, if they are indeed using radio isotopes as their catalysts. -Bruce A. Perreault From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 23 09:13:50 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA03120; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 09:13:44 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 09:13:44 -0700 From: Pepthewep@aol.com Message-ID: <0.72fc2fa6.254338b0@aol.com> Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 12:13:36 EDT Subject: Re: gravity zero To: warlock@eskimo.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 41 Resent-Message-ID: <"2zYJu.0.fm.twT4u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12645 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: In a message dated 10/23/1999 12:24:17 AM !!!First Boot!!!, warlock@eskimo.com writes: << Sounds like the vomit comet, a converted C-135 used by NASA to study weightless motion and effects. Just climb to a high altitude, and then fall. Lasts about 30 secs before they pull up. It's earned it's sobriquet. >> They used one of these planes to make the weightless scenes in the movie Apollo 13. A lot of vomit involved! Barb c. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 23 09:19:10 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA05320; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 09:19:09 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 09:19:09 -0700 From: Keasy@aol.com Message-ID: <0.b7249a40.254339e3@aol.com> Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 12:18:43 EDT Subject: Re: Magnets question To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 41 Resent-Message-ID: <"aJB132.0.1J1.z_T4u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12646 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: In a message dated 10/23/99 4:53:19 AM Pacific Daylight Time, mark@plug-in.com.br writes: > Hi, > > Say you have a 1 cm thick magnet plate, with poles at each side. > > If you measure the magnetic fields, you'll get the same strenght > at each plate's sides, i.e, north and south poles are of the same > field strenght. > > Now take another magnet and put it in repulsion mode near one > side of that plate. > > The question is : does the magnetic field strenght at the opposite > side of the plate change ? > > Thanks. > > > Marcelo Puhl In a word: yes, it decreases. Ken keasy@aol.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 23 12:05:00 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA15649; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 12:04:52 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 12:04:52 -0700 X-Sender: knuke@mail.lcia.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: knuke@LCIA.COM (Michael T Huffman) Subject: Re: gravity zero Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 15:13:02 -0400 Message-ID: <19991023191302875.AAA258@mail.lcia.com@lizard> Resent-Message-ID: <"_HkLr3.0.Oq3.JRW4u"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12647 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Someone wrote: > Sounds like the vomit comet, a converted C-135 used by NASA to study >weightless > motion and effects. Just climb to a high altitude, and then fall. Lasts about > 30 secs before they pull up. It's earned it's sobriquet. > >> >They used one of these planes to make the weightless scenes in the movie >Apollo 13. A lot of vomit involved! Barb c. Could be the "vomit comet", the UW recently did some cavitation experiments in that, OR it could be something along the lines of a Bitter Solenoid device that has been used to levitate frogs. I remember watching the clips of NASA people being trained in a zero gravity chamber that looked like it was neither one of the above options, but I don't know how they do it. The chamber was too big for a Bitter Solenoid type approach, and it didn't look like the C-135 either. Maybe someone else can fill us in on how NASA does the zero-grav thang. Knuke Michael T. Huffman Huffman Technology Company 1121 Dustin Drive The Villages, Florida 32159 (352)259-1276 knuke@LCIA.COM http://www.aa.net/~knuke/index.htm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Oct 23 23:24:16 1999 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id XAA29727; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 23:23:58 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 23:23:58 -0700 Message-ID: <3812B3D7.E78EE58F@mail.admiral.ru> Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 10:23:04 +0300 From: "Alexander V. 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