From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Nov 1 00:31:26 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id AAA15904; Fri, 1 Nov 1996 00:31:00 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 00:31:00 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 03:31:10 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: Re: A matter of universal importance. Resent-Message-ID: <"YOKRi3.0.Lu3.3LRUo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/532 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >* Only a complete rejection of this system and its products will bring the >revolutionary change Thomas Jefferson said we needed every generation or two >to keep democracy vital. > >* There is only one way to do that in this election: to vote for reform, you >must vote for the Reform Party. > > Any other vote is a wasted vote. Period. > >So please vote Ross Perot for President. > >Regards; >Dennis C. Lee I believe Wisconsin --- or perhaps only a county in Wisconsin --- is perhaps the only area in the country where "None of the Above" (NOTA) appears on certain local political elections. I would like to see this available for ALL political elections. One may ask: "Well, what would happen if NOTA wins?" There are at least two options: hold another election or still allow the top vote-getter to "win." But even in option two, there would be a CLEAR message sent to that "winner" that the MAJORITY of voters were really dissatisfied with both him and his opponent. At least this would be another gauge for the voters' true feelings. And if NOTA won a NATIONAL election: this would _really_ send a message to _both_ of the establishment parties. Having NOTA on the ballot would at least give people a stronger, more explicit way of expressing their feelings. Just a suggestion.... Evan Soule' email: josephnewman@earthlink.net websites: http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/6087 http://www.angelfire.com/biz/Newman/index.html http://www.infochase.com/us/master/index.html From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Nov 1 08:30:41 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id IAA27205; Fri, 1 Nov 1996 08:19:44 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 08:19:44 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199611011619.IAA27078@mail.eskimo.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "some dodgy student...." <"some dodgy student..."@hw.ac.uk> To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 16:17:34 +0000 Subject: Re: solenoids Reply-to: N.K.Tolley@hw.ac.uk Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Resent-Message-ID: <"j10yr3.0.ve6.RCYUo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/533 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > In message <199610311032.CAA01053@mail.eskimo.com>, "some dodgy > student..."@hw.ac.uk writes > > Also, on an unrelated matter.. I am trying to build a tesla coil, > >but its output is gonna be way too low (2000Vac @50 hz) so i want to > >use it to build a jacobs ladder. The question is, how do i stop the > >coil from melting from the current, once the arcing has started? i > >know the resistance will drop right down, and this coil is only going > >to take about 0.1 A, so how do i stop an open circuit? Answer needed > >for saturday, as i want to have one for my bonfire party! > > Thanks, > > Nigel Tolley > > > I used to have a big 50Hz transformer giving 10kV which once powered a > large neon sign. That made a brilliant Jacob's ladder with bent wires. > I think the leakage inductance was so high that the effect of the low > impedance load caused by the spark did not cause a dangerously high > primary current. I gave the thing away eventually, 10 kV from a 1000VA > transformer frightened me to death. > -- > Chris Morriss Well, thanks for the tip, might be a little late, as i tried it this morning, and blew the coil! Would a bit of fuse wire be any good? Also, where on earth did you get a 1000VA neon transformer from? doesnt sound like an everyday thing to me! Will try a local scrap yard. Thanks, Nigel ***** All ideas, opinions and other stuff are mine... IRC: Soapy on #international Efnet Email: Phynkt@hw.ac.uk "guns dont kill ppl, ppl kill ppl" ***** From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Nov 1 09:53:32 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id JAA17168; Fri, 1 Nov 1996 09:28:30 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 09:28:30 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 18:26:53 GMT Message-Id: <199611011826.SAA14996@korovev.stm.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: j.hasslberger@agora.stm.it (Josef Hasslberger) Subject: Another way of generating hydrogen for automotive use Resent-Message-ID: <"c4hSa1.0.8C4.yCZUo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/535 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Here is another thing I came across with regard to using water for purposes of combustion. It has a slightly different twist, but seems to still fall into the category of over-unity and free energy. A q u a f u e l This is based on a patent, obtained by William H. Richardson, Jr., 1496 Giles St., Palm Bay, Fla 32907. The patent is number 5,345,274, granted on July 25, 1995 The abstract says it is a "method of generating electrical power without emission of harmful substances from combustion of a water-derived fuel gas mixture. An underwater carbon arc operated in the absence of hydrocarbons results in a mixture of gases, being non-self-combustible but combustible as a fuel gas in the presence of air, and comprising gaseous hydrogen in major amount and carbon oxides in minor amount, mainly carbon monoxide. The fuel gas is adapted, along with air, to run an internal combustion engine driving an electrical generator and so to provide useful electrical power without the harmful emissions usual in combustion of fossil fuels." So far the patent. It seems that the fuel is being promoted and tested by a company called AQUA FUEL USA, at 5225 Marconi Ave, Carmichael, CA 95603, phone (916) 973-8365 and (916) 332-4113. Source of this information: Space Energy Journal, published by Space Energy Association, P.O. Box 1136, Clearwater, Florida, 34617, phone (813) 586-5110. Here is how the making of the fuel is described: To make AquaFuel, an ac or dc electric arc tunnels through water between the tips of carbon electrodes. The 5.000 - 7.000 deg F heat of the arc disassociates nearby water molecules into hydrogen and oxygen atoms. Carbon atoms break loose from the electrodes and form bonds in this high energy plasma soup. The resulting hydrogen/carbon/oxygen molecules cool and bubble up in the surrounding water. The process works with any type of water including: salt wateer; tap; river; or even distilled water; with no electrolyte or any other additives required. Preliminary testing and measurements indicate that the process can produce combustible gases at a rate such that the combustion energy of the gases well exceeds the electrical energy consumed in producing the gases. At first glance, this process appears to violate the laws of thermodynamics, since more energy is made available as a product then is used in the production process. However, the arc appears to unlock the latent heat energy stored in all water in the form of hydrogen and oxygen atoms, while the carbon atoms provide the glue to stabilize the newly formed syngas molecules. This means that the cost of producing AquaFuel can be very low - even compared to fossil fuels having an equivanlent BTU value. AquaFuel burns so cleanly that the internal combustion engine exhaust gas emission is actually cleaner than eany fossil fuel, as confirmed by Briggs and Stratton, one of the nation's leading dynamometer emission labs. A table is given of values comparing gasoline and aquafuel in an emission test: gasoline aquafuel RPM 3060 3060 Torque 3.45 3.20 Horsepower 2.05 1.86 Oil Temperature 227 165 Exhaust Temperature 751 637 Hydrocarbons (ppm) 2436 185 Carbon monoxide 4.343 0.039 per cent Carbon dioxide 12.086 14.695 per cent Oxygen 0.544 7.100 per cent Hydrocarbons gm/hr 13.367 0.001 Nitrogen Ox gm/hr 5.921 0.002 Carbon Monox gm/hr 421.141 0.002 It seems that in the production of the fuel, the carbon electrodes that are used to strike the underwater arc are quite massive, and that the carbon is consumed at a rapid rate, contributing to the make-up of the fuel. True that there is a high carbon dioxide emission upon combustion, and that this gas has been linked to global warming. Also true however, that carbon dioxide is part of the natural life cycle and is 'decarbonated' by plants, leaving us with oxygen. It is not toxic, something that can't be said about many of the emissions of gasoline combustion, even (or especially!) when going through a platinum catalyser. Evidently, for the production of hydrogen for combustion purposes, there is more than one way to skin a cat..... - Josef Josef Hasslberger, Rampa Brancaleone 25 - 00165 Rome - ITALY when you have nothing better to do, check out my homepage for philosophical views on physics, economy and new energy at http://www.agora.stm.it/J.Hasslberger From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Nov 1 19:08:17 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id TAA28150; Fri, 1 Nov 1996 19:04:13 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 19:04:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <327AB9C6.16D8@nctc.com> Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 21:02:30 -0600 From: jmoreland Reply-To: jmoreland@nctc.com Organization: tnc X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Another way of generating hydrogen for automotive use References: <199611011826.SAA14996@korovev.stm.it> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"8f2zV.0.jt6.dehUo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/536 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Josef Hasslberger wrote: > > Here is another thing I came across with regard to using water for purposes > of combustion. It has a slightly different twist, but seems to still fall > into the category of over-unity and free energy. > > A q u a f u e l > > This is based on a patent, obtained by William H. Richardson, Jr., 1496 > Giles St., Palm Bay, Fla 32907. > > The patent is number 5,345,274, granted on July 25, 1995 > > The abstract says it is a "method of generating electrical power without > emission of harmful substances from combustion of a water-derived fuel gas > mixture. An underwater carbon arc operated in the absence of hydrocarbons > results in a mixture of gases, being non-self-combustible but combustible > as a fuel gas in the presence of air, and comprising gaseous hydrogen in > major amount and carbon oxides in minor amount, mainly carbon monoxide. The > fuel gas is adapted, along with air, to run an internal combustion engine > driving an electrical generator and so to provide useful electrical power > without the harmful emissions usual in combustion of fossil fuels." > > So far the patent. > > It seems that the fuel is being promoted and tested by a company called > AQUA FUEL USA, at 5225 Marconi Ave, Carmichael, CA 95603, phone (916) > 973-8365 and (916) 332-4113. > > Source of this information: Space Energy Journal, published by Space Energy > Association, P.O. Box 1136, Clearwater, Florida, 34617, phone (813) > 586-5110. > > Here is how the making of the fuel is described: > > To make AquaFuel, an ac or dc electric arc tunnels through water between > the tips of carbon electrodes. The 5.000 - 7.000 deg F heat of the arc > disassociates nearby water molecules into hydrogen and oxygen atoms. Carbon > atoms break loose from the electrodes and form bonds in this high energy > plasma soup. The resulting hydrogen/carbon/oxygen molecules cool and bubble > up in the surrounding water. > > The process works with any type of water including: salt wateer; tap; > river; or even distilled water; with no electrolyte or any other additives > required. > > Preliminary testing and measurements indicate that the process can produce > combustible gases at a rate such that the combustion energy of the gases > well exceeds the electrical energy consumed in producing the gases. At > first glance, this process appears to violate the laws of thermodynamics, > since more energy is made available as a product then is used in the > production process. However, the arc appears to unlock the latent heat > energy stored in all water in the form of hydrogen and oxygen atoms, while > the carbon atoms provide the glue to stabilize the newly formed syngas > molecules. This means that the cost of producing AquaFuel can be very low - > even compared to fossil fuels having an equivanlent BTU value. > > AquaFuel burns so cleanly that the internal combustion engine exhaust gas > emission is actually cleaner than eany fossil fuel, as confirmed by Briggs > and Stratton, one of the nation's leading dynamometer emission labs. > > A table is given of values comparing gasoline and aquafuel in an emission test: > > gasoline aquafuel > > RPM 3060 3060 > Torque 3.45 3.20 > Horsepower 2.05 1.86 > Oil Temperature 227 165 > Exhaust Temperature 751 637 > Hydrocarbons (ppm) 2436 185 > Carbon monoxide 4.343 0.039 per cent > Carbon dioxide 12.086 14.695 per cent > Oxygen 0.544 7.100 per cent > > Hydrocarbons gm/hr 13.367 0.001 > Nitrogen Ox gm/hr 5.921 0.002 > Carbon Monox gm/hr 421.141 0.002 > > It seems that in the production of the fuel, the carbon electrodes that are > used to strike the underwater arc are quite massive, and that the carbon is > consumed at a rapid rate, contributing to the make-up of the fuel. > > True that there is a high carbon dioxide emission upon combustion, and that > this gas has been linked to global warming. Also true however, that carbon > dioxide is part of the natural life cycle and is 'decarbonated' by plants, > leaving us with oxygen. It is not toxic, something that can't be said about > many of the emissions of gasoline combustion, even (or especially!) when > going through a platinum catalyser. > > Evidently, for the production of hydrogen for combustion purposes, there is > more than one way to skin a cat..... > > - Josef > > Josef Hasslberger, Rampa Brancaleone 25 - 00165 Rome - ITALY > > when you have nothing better to do, check out my homepage for philosophical > views on physics, economy and new energy at > http://www.agora.stm.it/J.Hasslberger I looked up that pattent number and got something on resolving sattelite signals,not even the same inventor. You might want to post the correct number before someone else runs into the same thing I did. thanks, john moreland jmoreland@bnllc2.blue.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Nov 1 23:56:26 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id XAA08214; Fri, 1 Nov 1996 23:55:34 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 23:55:34 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 22:56:16 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: hheffner@anc.ak.net (Horace Heffner) Subject: Re: Another way of generating hydrogen for automotive use Resent-Message-ID: <"sdB6s3.0.F02.qvlUo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/537 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >Josef Hasslberger wrote: [snip] >> This is based on a patent, obtained by William H. Richardson, Jr., 1496 >> Giles St., Palm Bay, Fla 32907. >> >> The patent is number 5,345,274, granted on July 25, 1995 >> [snip] >I looked up that pattent number and got something on resolving sattelite >signals,not even the same inventor. You might want to post the correct >number before someone else runs into the same thing I did. > thanks, john moreland jmoreland@bnllc2.blue.net The correct patent number is 5,435,274, according to "Infinite Energy" Vol. 2, No. 9, 1996, which had a good article about it and a copy of the patent. The front cover of that issue of IE contains an impressive picture of an arc in an aquarium bubbling up enough of the gas that it is collected by an upside down funnel over the aquarium that appears to be maintaining a good sized flame at the tip of the funnel. Also of interest noted there was the composition of the AquaFuel: Compound Percent --------------- ------- Hydrogen 46.483 Carbon dioxide 9.329 Ethylene 0.049 Acetylene 0.616 Oxygen 1.164 Nitrogen 3.818 Methane 0.181 Carbon Monoxide 38.370 ======= Total 100.015 I don't see any particular reason to believe the process is or is not o-u, because it appears to simply be a way to combust carbon. It certainly produces ultra clean emissions, though. Maybe this could be a useful way to "burn" coal at power plants. Based on a cost for carbon of $0.30 per pound, the process appears to be vary favorable in cost per Million BTU's: AquaFuel $3.58 Gasoline $10.32 Natural Gas $9.55 Electricity $25.49 This is a very interresting process. Regards, PO Box 325 Palmer, AK 99645 Horace Heffner 907-746-0820 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Nov 2 06:10:59 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id GAA25267; Sat, 2 Nov 1996 06:10:35 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 06:10:35 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 15:08:52 +0100 Message-Id: <199611021408.PAA01991@atom.bbtt.com> X-Sender: harti@bbtt.de (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: jmoreland@nctc.com From: harti@bbtt.de (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Re: Another way of generating hydrogen for automotive use Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Resent-Message-ID: <"SZ2Uh3.0.eA6.QPrUo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/538 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >Josef Hasslberger wrote: >> >> Here is another thing I came across with regard to using water for purposes >> of combustion. It has a slightly different twist, but seems to still fall >> into the category of over-unity and free energy. >> >> A q u a f u e l >> Just buy the newest Infinte energy magazine and there you have the full story inclusive a cover photo ! Very interesting, if it really produces overunity energy and very easy to do ! Go for it ! Highly recommended ! Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany NEUE Nummern : Tel: ++ 4930-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 4930-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.de harti@bbtt.de Web site: http://www.harti.de Webmaster of: http://www.detours.de Have a look at the future: http://www.overunity.de My favourite ladies on the WEB: http://www.nylon-fetish.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Nov 2 22:46:04 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id WAA08374; Sat, 2 Nov 1996 22:41:47 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 22:41:47 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 22:41:48 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199611030641.WAA05237@claim.goldrush.com> X-Sender: crosiar@GOLDRUSH.COM X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: wesly crosiar Subject: Electronic symbols Resent-Message-ID: <"iZWWI.0.l22.gw3Vo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/539 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: To all: Does anyone have a file of electronic symbols they can send me to use in my paint program, to do schemetics with. I have found out with this group, all one has to do is ask, and someone will help!! crosiar@GOLDRUSH.COM THANKS WES WESLEY CROSIAR PO BOX 268 SAN ANDREAS, CA. 95249 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Nov 3 01:19:48 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id BAA26262; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 01:19:32 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 01:19:32 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 01:19:26 -0800 (PST) From: paula@southconn.com Message-Id: <199611030919.BAA26234@mail.eskimo.com> X-ROUTED: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 04:17:40 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: crosiar@GOLDRUSH.COM Subject: RE: Electronic Symbols Resent-Message-ID: <"6hfbS2.0.EQ6.YE6Vo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/540 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Don't have a file you can use on your paint program for electronic symbols, but the best and easiest program have run across to do schematics is a shareware program called fdplus...here is quote from fileid.diz...you might want to try it out and see if it meets your requirements.. FlowDraw Plus v1.00 - DOS diagramming program draws & prints flowcharts, diagrams, & schematics. Mouse-driven graphical interface - just point & click to draw. Six font sizes for text. Three levels of zoom. Automatic line drawing. Interactive tutorial. Includes symbol libraries for flowcharts, computers, & electronics. You can create symbols & libraries. Requires fast 386 or better. Most printers supported. Do a search at www.shareware.com....hope this helps.....steve steve opelc...........paula@southconn.com `[1;32;40mNet-Tamer V 1.04 - Registered From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Nov 3 02:29:04 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id CAA02850; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 02:28:52 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 02:28:52 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199611031028.FAA14818@cliff.cris.com> From: "Charles Donaghe" To: Subject: Re: Electronic symbols Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 05:24:29 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"xFRky3.0.Ri.ZF7Vo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/541 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: If you get no other responses I believe I have a set in a viso ad on program. Not really if they can be used without using viso? ---------- > From: wesly crosiar > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Electronic symbols > Date: Sunday, November 03, 1996 1:41 AM > > To all: Does anyone have a file of electronic symbols they can send me to > use in my paint program, to do schemetics with. I have found out with this > group, all one has to do is ask, and someone will help!! > crosiar@GOLDRUSH.COM THANKS WES > WESLEY CROSIAR > PO BOX 268 > SAN ANDREAS, CA. 95249 > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Nov 3 12:13:08 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id MAA13923; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 12:12:50 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 12:12:50 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 12:12:42 -0800 (PST) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: fwd from Perrault Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"dpdR7.0.OP3.1pFVo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/542 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 03 Nov 1996 15:08:39 -0500 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" To: jmoreland@bnllc2.blue.net Cc: billb@eskimo.com Subject: Please Post! Question: Why do you think Mr. Adams could not patent his invention? Answer: Because his motor requires radioactive magnets! The United Kingdom does not allow patents that use radioactive material. Response: There goes another "free energy/overunity project, hay? Submitted by, Bruce A. Perreault From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Nov 3 14:30:34 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id OAA15998; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 14:30:05 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 14:30:05 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 23:28:32 +0100 Message-Id: <199611032228.XAA04686@atom.bbtt.com> X-Sender: harti@bbtt.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: harti@bbtt.de (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Re: fwd from Perrault Resent-Message-ID: <"a8vJV2.0.tv3.ipHVo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/543 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >Date: Sun, 03 Nov 1996 15:08:39 -0500 >From: "Bruce A. Perreault" >To: jmoreland@bnllc2.blue.net >Cc: billb@eskimo.com >Subject: Please Post! > >Question: Why do you think Mr. Adams could not patent his invention? > >Answer: Because his motor requires radioactive magnets! The United > Kingdom does not allow patents that use radioactive material. > >Response: There goes another "free energy/overunity project, hay? > >Submitted by, Bruce A. Perreault > I would say: All what is forbidden, is interesting ! Don=B4t you think so ??? :) Well, it does not matter, if something is forbidden, if it works there will be a way to do it savely ! Just my opinion. Maybe the Adams device just does not work ??? Does anybody have first hand experience with it ? Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany NEUE Nummern : Tel: ++ 4930-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 4930-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.de harti@bbtt.de Web site: http://www.harti.de Webmaster of: http://www.detours.de Have a look at the future: http://www.overunity.de My favourite ladies on the WEB: http://www.nylon-fetish.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Nov 3 16:03:36 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id QAA04779; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 16:03:08 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 16:03:08 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 16:03:02 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199611040003.QAA04748@mail.eskimo.com> X-Sender: vrlance@mail.inu.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: vrlance@downtown.inu.net (Bob Rutherford) Subject: Re: Electronic symbols Resent-Message-ID: <"rRPtp1.0.UA1.wAJVo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/544 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >To all: Does anyone have a file of electronic symbols they can send me to >use in my paint program, to do schemetics with. I have found out with this >group, all one has to do is ask, and someone will help!! >crosiar@GOLDRUSH.COM THANKS WES >WESLEY CROSIAR >PO BOX 268 >SAN ANDREAS, CA. 95249 > Which paint program do you use? BTW if you need a Dos based CAD for schematics that comes with Electronic and Digital symbols try CAD Creations from Softkey. A very nice and inexpensive ($12.50) program on CD. IF you have Windows 3.1 or Later try Keycad for Windows. Its about $35.00. I Have used Cad Creation for Surface mount PCBoard layout. I had to make my own SMD pad library but I would be gald to share it with anyone. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Nov 3 16:41:53 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id QAA12643; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 16:40:48 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 16:40:48 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 16:40:40 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199611040040.QAA19383@claim.goldrush.com> X-Sender: crosiar@GOLDRUSH.COM X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: wesly crosiar Subject: Re: Electronic symbols Resent-Message-ID: <"Cd2s6.0.S53.EkJVo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/545 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 04:03 PM 11/3/96 -0800, you wrote: >>To all: Does anyone have a file of electronic symbols they can send me to >>use in my paint program, to do schemetics with. I have found out with this >>group, all one has to do is ask, and someone will help!! >>crosiar@GOLDRUSH.COM THANKS WES >>WESLEY CROSIAR >>PO BOX 268 >>SAN ANDREAS, CA. 95249 >> > Which paint program do you use? ANSWER: PAINTBRUSH [BITMAP] WINDOWS 3.1 > BTW if you need a Dos based CAD for schematics that comes with Electronic >and Digital symbols try CAD Creations from Softkey. A very nice and >inexpensive ($12.50) program on CD. IF you have Windows 3.1 or Later try >Keycad for Windows. >Its about $35.00. I Have used Cad Creation for Surface mount PCBoard layout. >I had to make my own SMD pad library but I would be gald to share it with >anyone. > > > > > crosiar@GOLDRUSH.COM THANKS WES WESLEY CROSIAR PO BOX 268 SAN ANDREAS, CA. 95249 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Nov 4 01:54:56 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id BAA18730; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 01:54:37 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 01:54:37 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199611040954.BAA18709@mail.eskimo.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "some dodgy student...." <"some dodgy student..."@hw.ac.uk> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 09:54:12 +0000 Subject: Re: Another way of generating hydrogen for automotive use Reply-to: N.K.Tolley@hw.ac.uk X-Confirm-Reading-To: phynkt@pp.hw.ac.uk Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Resent-Message-ID: <"P_EfW.0.Za4.SrRVo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/546 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > >Josef Hasslberger wrote: > [snip] > Also of interest noted there was the composition of the AquaFuel: > > Compound Percent > --------------- ------- > Hydrogen 46.483 > Carbon dioxide 9.329 > Ethylene 0.049 > Acetylene 0.616 > Oxygen 1.164 > Nitrogen 3.818 > Methane 0.181 >>> Carbon Monoxide 38.370 > ======= > Total 100.015 > Isnt this just a little bit dangerous if there is any kind of leak?? 38% CO would easily kill in minutes! ***** All ideas, opinions and other stuff are mine... IRC: Soapy on #international Efnet Email: Phynkt@hw.ac.uk "guns dont kill ppl, ppl kill ppl" ***** From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Nov 4 04:06:20 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id EAA26962; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 04:06:06 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 04:06:06 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 03:06:57 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: hheffner@anc.ak.net (Horace Heffner) Subject: Re: Another way of generating hydrogen for automotive use Resent-Message-ID: <"fMrHI2.0.Bb6.jmTVo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/547 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 1:54 AM 11/4/96, some dodgy student.... (N.K.Tolley) wrote: > >> Also of interest noted there was the composition of the AquaFuel: >> >> Compound Percent >> --------------- ------- >> Hydrogen 46.483 >> Carbon dioxide 9.329 >> Ethylene 0.049 >> Acetylene 0.616 >> Oxygen 1.164 >> Nitrogen 3.818 >> Methane 0.181 >> Carbon Monoxide 38.370 >> ======= >> Total 100.015 >> >Isnt this just a little bit dangerous if there is any kind of leak?? >38% CO would easily kill in minutes! >Email: Phynkt@hw.ac.uk Sure, but so would leaking natural gas, gasoline, other fuels etc., be dangerous. Then there are the emissions, which are *always* leaked somewhere. The following data was published as determined by Briggs & Stratton for a 2 HP motor: Emission Gasoline Aquafuel ---------------- -------- -------- Hydrocarbons 13.367 0.001 (g/hr) N Oxides 5.921 0.002 (g/hr) CO 421.141 0.002 (g/hr) CO (percent) 4.343 0.039 (%) I don't understand why the the two CO figures do not seem to agree, even though one is by mass and the other by volume. Regards, PO Box 325 Palmer, AK 99645 Horace Heffner 907-746-0820 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Nov 4 12:21:10 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id MAA12572; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 12:18:46 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 12:18:46 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199611042018.MAA12528@mail.eskimo.com> X-Sender: 9512675@PoPMail.UL.IE X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com From: 9512675@UL.IE (T. SOLINAC) Subject: Stanley Meyer. Fraud thing? Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 20:19:22 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: <"s5_jF1.0.F43.a-aVo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/548 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Could someone please tell me what is happening here? My e-mail failed to work at the critical moment and all the messages that I should have received relating to this matter and probably many others never reached me. __________________________ | T.Solinac 9512675 | |Erny............... | |MobyOrb(ital)UnderWorld | |@ University of Limerick, | |_______Ireland____________| From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Nov 4 19:23:56 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id SAA13678; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 18:53:44 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 18:53:44 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <327EACE1.138A@lakeweb.net> Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 18:56:33 -0800 From: Dan Bloomquist Organization: lakeWeb Internet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: new site References: <199611042018.MAA12528@mail.eskimo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"2DtlA2.0.VL3.ZmgVo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/549 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: HI All, I tripped across this, some of you may have seen it: http://www.improb.com/ Best, Dan. -- Niccolo' Machiavelli, The Dale Carnagie of Fascism. (DanB) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Nov 5 19:58:58 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id TAA16467; Tue, 5 Nov 1996 19:56:54 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 19:56:54 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 22:57:08 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: Specific Query Resent-Message-ID: <"8C_s53.0.314.3o0Wo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/550 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: If the gentleman directing the Institute responsible for info re Wilhelm Reich's work is still on this list, would he please respond privately to my email address. [I seemed to have misplaced your email address.] There is someone who is very interested in additional, specific information. Thanks! Evan Soule' Director of Information NEWMAN ENERGY PRODUCTS Email: josephnewman@earthlink.net Websites: http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/6087 http://www.infochase.com/us/master/index.html http://www.angelfire.com/biz/Newman/index.html From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Nov 7 00:52:15 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id AAA09143; Thu, 7 Nov 1996 00:51:06 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 00:51:06 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <9611070850.AA16644@mail.clackesd.k12.or.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 02:03:46 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: dotyd@mail.clackesd.k12.or.us (David Doty) Subject: Levitron top Resent-Message-ID: <"crrN_2.0.lE2.vBQWo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/551 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Does any one know how the Levitron top works? http://www.levitron.com/ Art Bell addvertizes it for $35 and $5 shipping. ******************************************* * David Doty * * Custodian at Ackerman Junior High * * http://198.237.196.249/ams/ * * Canby School District 86 * * 45=BA 15' N, 122=BA 41' W * * home (503) 266-3969 = * * 340 S Locust Canby, OR. 97013 * * CEF "Good New Club" after school Bible Teacher * * Looking for Science Projects for students to do. * * http://www.wwln.com/fido/899499297.html * ********************************************=20 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Nov 7 04:28:42 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id EAA28367; Thu, 7 Nov 1996 04:28:21 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 04:28:21 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <32825441.7087@ens.ascom.ch> Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 13:27:29 -0800 From: Christian Korfmacher Reply-To: korfmach@ens.ascom.ch Organization: Ascom Business Systems AG X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Levitron top References: <9611070850.AA16644@mail.clackesd.k12.or.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <"D4kw82.0.3x6.aNTWo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/552 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: David Doty wrote: > = > Does any one know how the Levitron top works? Its a permanet magnet disk which you spin by hand over a permanent magnet ring in a wooden box. The top has to be balanced very carefully with additional weight to prevent it from floating to high or too low above the magnet ring. After spinning it on a piece of perspex, you lift the perspex with the spinning top very carefully until the top starts floating.... that's all there is. Once you have a little experience, you can let the top spin for about 2 minutes without any contact to the base!! = > = > http://www.levitron.com/ > = > Art Bell addvertizes it for $35 and $5 shipping. > = > ******************************************* > * David Doty * > * Custodian at Ackerman Junior High = * > * http://198.237.196.249/ams/ = * > * Canby School District 86 > * > * 45=BA 15' N, 122=BA 41' W > * > * home (503) 266-3969 = * > * 340 S Locust Canby, OR. 97013 = * > * CEF "Good New Club" after school Bible Teacher * > * Looking for Science Projects for students to do. = * > * http://www.wwln.com/fido/899499297.html * > ******************************************** -- = Christian Korfmacher Ascom Business Systems Voice:+41 (0)65 24 27 16 Fax: +41 (9)65 24 31 56 You know, we learn by making mistakes. You'll learn a lot today! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Nov 7 05:01:00 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id FAA02869; Thu, 7 Nov 1996 05:00:17 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 05:00:17 -0800 (PST) From: Flagg_Michael/furman@furman.edu X-Openmail-Hops: 1 Date: Thu, 7 Nov 96 07:54:41 -0500 Message-Id: Subject: Question on Ed Gray Mime-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="Question" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"9_UoR3.0.ii.WrTWo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/553 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: A quick question: I am a newbie on this list, so if this subject has been discussed, please direct me to the appropriate archive. Does anyone out there know what happened to Edwin Gray's lab notes, equipment, or anything of the physical or written assets of Mr. Gray or EvGray Enterprises? Does anyone out there have any hints on experimenting with a Gray motor? I am about to wrap up building a basic Newman Motor and want to do a comparison with another rotating magnet device, so any kind of hard numbers would be much appreciated. Thanks, Mike Flagg michael.flagg@furman.edu From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Nov 7 07:04:44 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id GAA26752; Thu, 7 Nov 1996 06:58:26 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 06:58:26 -0800 (PST) From: Jim Logue Message-Id: <199611071501.AA223808911@eagle.uis.edu> Subject: E V Gray To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 09:01:51 -0700 (CST) In-Reply-To: from "Flagg_Michael/furman@furman.edu" at Nov 7, 96 07:54:41 am Content-Type: text Resent-Message-ID: <"Sj9Uu1.0.iX6.FaVWo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/554 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Mike, For EV Gray material try Creative Science and Research POB 8001 New Albany, IN 47150 812-945-6168 I have made any contact with them yet. Also the publisher Steve Elswick (formally of the Int'l Tesla Society) is doing a special writeup in one of his issues. Have not seen it yet. I don't have addr info. Jim Logue From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Nov 7 13:26:12 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id NAA06864; Thu, 7 Nov 1996 13:21:28 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 13:21:28 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <328260B5.3090@COMPUSERVE.COM> Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 14:20:37 -0800 From: GLENN HINTON <103510.1772@COMPUSERVE.COM> Organization: AMP X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: comment for listserv X-URL: http://www.eskimo.com/~bilb/freenrgl/flist.html Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Kq_UI.0.6h1.MBbWo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/555 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Dear Bill, Have been shadowing this listserve for a couple of months and have to say the calibre of people who post is TREMENDOUS!!! The give and take open discussion of ideas and experiments on this listserv is how I have always felt the search for free energy should be conducted. (with the possible exception of Evan Soule and Bruce P.,No Offence intended) Anyway, would you happen to have the two page description of the Minto Wheel construction laying around? I have followed up on the address given in the original posted on your site (Sarasota, FLA.) but have had no luck. Please e-mail if you have and its not too much trouble. Keep up the good work!!!! Glenn Hinton San Diego,Ca. 92111 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Nov 7 15:03:13 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id OAA24477; Thu, 7 Nov 1996 14:34:40 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 14:34:40 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199611072232.OAA23785@mail.eskimo.com> Date: Thu, 7 Nov 96 15:31:15 PDT From: ephillips@lava Subject: Re: Levitron top To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, korfmach@ens.ascom.ch To: (null) Resent-Message-ID: <"9_GL7.0.K-5.vFcWo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/557 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: My home-made tops spin for 4 minutes. I have one with an AC drive which has been running for over four months. Ed Phillips From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Nov 7 16:32:41 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id PAA12947; Thu, 7 Nov 1996 15:59:12 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 15:59:12 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 18:58:32 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: Re: comment for listserv Resent-Message-ID: <"4socc2.0.4A3.DVdWo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/558 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >Dear Bill, > >Have been shadowing this listserve for a couple of months and have >to say the calibre of people who post is TREMENDOUS!!! > >The give and take open discussion of ideas and experiments on this >listserv is how I have always felt the search for free energy should be >conducted. (with the possible exception of Evan Soule and Bruce P.,No >Offence intended) Dear Glenn, Since no offense is intended, I'll take it as a compliment. Thanks for the exceptional recommendation! Evan Soule' Director of Information NEWMAN ENERGY PRODUCTS email: josephnewman@earthlink.net websites: http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/6087 http://www.angelfire.com/biz/Newman/index.html http://www.infochase.com/us/master/index.html >Anyway, would you happen to have the two page description of the Minto >Wheel construction laying around? I have followed up on the address >given in the original posted on your site (Sarasota, FLA.) but have had >no luck. Please e-mail if you have and its not too much trouble. > >Keep up the good work!!!! > >Glenn Hinton >San Diego,Ca. 92111 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Nov 7 17:50:06 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id RAA05406; Thu, 7 Nov 1996 17:40:50 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 17:40:50 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <32828EF5.2814@mindspring.com> Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 20:37:57 -0500 From: Ben Tammetta Reply-To: tammetta@mindspring.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Levitron top References: <199611072232.OAA23785@mail.eskimo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"K2gZl.0.LK1.9-eWo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/559 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: ephillips@lava wrote: > > My home-made tops spin for 4 minutes. I have one > with an AC drive which has been running for over four months. > Ed Phillips What size and shape magnets? I couldn't get my homemade one to work at all. How did you make the top? I've got the small circular ones from Radio Shack and a few 3 and 4 inch diameter ones from old microwaves. Thanks, Ben From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Nov 7 18:19:09 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id SAA14577; Thu, 7 Nov 1996 18:15:11 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 18:15:11 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 21:07:39 -0500 (EST) From: David Hoenig X-Sender: gineoh@ando.ummu.umich.edu To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Levitron top In-Reply-To: <32828EF5.2814@mindspring.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"-8awS3.0.eZ3.jUfWo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/560 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Thu, 7 Nov 1996, Ben Tammetta wrote: > ephillips@lava wrote: > > > > My home-made tops spin for 4 minutes. I have one > > with an AC drive which has been running for over four months. > > Ed Phillips > > What size and shape magnets? I couldn't get my homemade one to work at > all. How did you make the top? I've got the small circular ones from > Radio Shack and a few 3 and 4 inch diameter ones from old microwaves. > > Thanks, > Ben > > If you don't mind, I would be very interested in constrution details also. David Hoenig Student, Computer Engineering, University of Michigan ------------------------------------------------------ It's far better to regret something you have done, than to regret something you havn't done. -Gibby Haynes From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Nov 8 08:03:04 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id IAA08416; Fri, 8 Nov 1996 08:00:28 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 08:00:28 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199611081600.IAA08395@mail.eskimo.com> Date: Fri, 8 Nov 96 9:00:13 PDT From: ephillips@lava Subject: Re: Levitron top To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, tammetta@mindspring.com To: (null) Resent-Message-ID: <"lqpl73.0.O32.RarWo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/561 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Ben: Please contact me at: ed@alumni.caltech.edu Writing this from work, so can't answer properly. I am also using the small (1-1/8"+ dia) circular magnets from R.S. for the top (one or two) and magnetron magnets about 3-3/8" diameter by 3/8"+ thick, three or four for the base. Took me a long time to "get the hang of it" with the help of a ham radio friend who gave me advice by radio. He had started with a commercial levitron and then went on to built his own. Few quick thoughts: 1. It isn't easy to learn to work the thing, but once you get the first top to spin it's down hill from there and easy to go on to other configurations. 2. Top weight is very important. I find that one GRAIN (1/7000 pound) difference is important. Using grains because I have a powder scale for measurement. You will need a whole set of weights of differing values. 3. Spacing between the top and the magnet base is very critical in ease of "starting". So is the shape of the "nose" of the top. Latter is slightly rounded for best results. Gotta go back to work. Send me a note at the address above and I'll give you more details from home. Ed Phillips From pgb@padrak.com Fri Oct 4 18:42:49 1996 Received: from dns1.noc.best.net (root@dns1.noc.best.net [206.86.8.69]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA26246; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 18:42:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [205.149.162.154] (bailey.vip.best.com [205.149.162.154]) by dns1.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id SAA15748; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 18:42:09 -0700 Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 18:42:09 -0700 X-Sender: bailey@best.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: pgb@padrak.com (Patrick Bailey) Subject: Re: Dennis Lees claims!? Cc: eric@voicenet.com, billb@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I also want to get the truth about this!!! I'll link anything you guys want to give to me on the INE site! PB. From nuenergy@cyberportal.net Fri Oct 25 08:18:26 1996 Received: from cyberport.cyberportal.net (root@cyberport.cyberportal.net [204.97.234.4]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id IAA12083; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 08:18:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bruceperreault.cyberportal.net (bruceperreault.cyberportal.net [204.97.235.86]) by cyberport.cyberportal.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA11518; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 11:17:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3270DA0E.5984@cyberportal.net> Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 11:17:34 -0400 From: "Bruce A. Perreault" Reply-To: nuenergy@cyberportal.net Organization: Nu Energy Horizons X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com, William Beaty CC: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Re: response References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: ITS announced plans to construct a radiant device on a their short-wave radio show. I did not have a manual at the time. I had to put together a manual within three days after the broadcast! I was going crazy sifting out data from my computer and files. I compiled a file that I believed and still now believe would enable people to build their own radiant energy device! Mr. Humphey called me and I assisted him with his questions. He never asked for a refund. Furthmore, he received info. that took years to compile. The price that he paid for this info. was modest in my opinion. I never intended to go public with my research with radiant energy. It was Steve Elswick, then President of ITS who talked me into going on his Tesla Hour shortwave radio show. What has occured since I have feared would happen if I went public. Steve convinced me that going public would be the best way to protect my family and I. I want to also point out that I was not paid for doing the Tesla Conference this past July. ITS paid for my plane ticket out there and offered two nights paid to stay at the hotel room. When I got to the hotel on thursday I was told that I was not expected for another. It was John Moreland that paid for my entire stay at the hotel during the Tesla Conference. I have no further comments to add at this point in time. I tried to do a good deed and I get viciously attacked for my efforts. NO MORE! Where is my latest post to the energy discussion group? Are you going to censor it out? Bruce A. Perreault From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Nov 8 14:58:15 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id OAA05647; Fri, 8 Nov 1996 14:31:04 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 14:31:04 -0800 (PST) From: Andrew Cantino Message-Id: <199611082230.RAA12898@big.seorf.ohiou.edu> Subject: Re: Levitron top To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 17:30:05 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: from "David Hoenig" at Nov 7, 96 09:07:39 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Resent-Message-ID: <"GfeBx3.0.1O1.TIxWo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/563 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > > If you don't mind, I would be very interested in constrution details > also. Me too. -- Andrew Cantino ** ac817@seorf.ohiou.edu http://www.seorf.ohiou.edu/~xx053/homepage.html http://www.seorf.ohiou.edu/~xx053/hide/free.html From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Nov 10 07:54:18 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id HAA16017; Sun, 10 Nov 1996 07:52:30 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 07:52:30 -0800 (PST) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Message-Id: Organization: Private person From: "Alexander V. Frolov" Date: Mon, 11 Nov 96 19:09:15 +0300 X-Mailer: BML [MS/DOS Beauty Mail v1.36h] Lines: 39 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"7mjgF1.0.5w3.zeVXo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Unidentified subject! Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/564 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Dear Sirs, I am glad to say some more news from Russia about free energy research. Inventor Andrew A. Melnitchenko made some devices powered by small primary source like 1.5 VDC battery and demonstrated that RESONANCE effect is the way to free power output. He connected fan motor 17 Wtt to his electronic system and it is working! Other load is 60 Wtt and it is working also! By his opinion, the system like his resonance circuit powered by small battery DC can be power source for home (KWtS) also! The battery is necessary to make alternating voltage output for resonance circuit. It is possible to close the loop and to make self-charging battery mode. In resonance, as you must know from colledge textbook, source is not the source of current, but it is source of voltage only. It don't require current from source and it don't require power expense from source. You can try to find inventor in Moscow by phone of newspaper: 7-095-2573515. I must note that this telephone number many times was published in articles are connected with topic of free energy and perpetuum mobile. This article is different from other since it made some references on Tesla's work. Yes, it is the same Tesla's resonance transformer but in this version inventor don't rise output to million Volts like Tesla made. I hope that somebody is interested to make joint research with Andrew Melnitchenko. He need partners like most of inventors. If you'll have some progress in this deal, please, let me know. Perhaps, together we'll can open this door in future. Good luck, Alexander V. Frolov From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Nov 10 08:02:10 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id IAA17127; Sun, 10 Nov 1996 08:00:33 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 08:00:33 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 17:02:42 +0100 Message-Id: <199611101602.RAA26041@mail.bbtt.com> X-Sender: harti@bbtt.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: harti@bbtt.de (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Re: Unidentified subject! Cc: alex@frolov.spb.ru Resent-Message-ID: <"PSzPy3.0.SB4.VmVXo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/565 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >Dear Sirs, > >I am glad to say some more news from Russia about free energy research. > >Inventor Andrew A. Melnitchenko made some devices powered by small >primary source like 1.5 VDC battery and demonstrated that RESONANCE >effect is the way to free power output. He connected fan motor 17 Wtt >to his electronic system and it is working! Other load is 60 Wtt and >it is working also! By his opinion, the system like his resonance circuit >powered by small battery DC can be power source for home (KWtS) also! >The battery is necessary to make alternating voltage output for resonance >circuit. It is possible to close the loop and to make self-charging >battery mode. > >In resonance, as you must know from colledge textbook, source is not >the source of current, but it is source of voltage only. It don't require >current from source and it don't require power expense from source. > > >You can try to find inventor in Moscow by phone of newspaper: 7-095-2573515. >I must note that this telephone number many times was published in articles >are connected with topic of free energy and perpetuum mobile. > >This article is different from other since it made some references on Tesla's >work. Yes, it is the same Tesla's resonance transformer but in this version >inventor don't rise output to million Volts like Tesla made. > >I hope that somebody is interested to make joint research with Andrew >Melnitchenko. He need partners like most of inventors. If you'll have some >progress in this deal, please, let me know. Perhaps, together we'll can open >this door in future. > >Good luck, > >Alexander V. Frolov > Please make some photos and put it onto the WEB ! (So we all can see it ! ) Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany NEUE Nummern : Tel: ++ 4930-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 4930-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.de harti@bbtt.de Web site: http://www.harti.de Webmaster of: http://www.detours.de Have a look at the future: http://www.overunity.de My favourite ladies on the WEB: http://www.nylon-fetish.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Nov 10 08:03:44 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id IAA17805; Sun, 10 Nov 1996 08:02:22 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 08:02:22 -0800 (PST) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Message-Id: Organization: Private person From: "Alexander V. Frolov" Date: Mon, 11 Nov 96 19:28:37 +0300 X-Mailer: BML [MS/DOS Beauty Mail v1.36h] Lines: 30 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"WWRYJ.0.5M4.CoVXo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Unidentified subject! Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/566 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Some news from Russia on the space project __________________________________________ Russia-Ukraina joint project of space ship is leaded by Dr. Alexander Razumniy. It is private JSC "COSMOS". Alexander said for newspaper that his project is based on theory principles are known 50 years ago. It is theory for vacuum as energy source and theory for reactionless propulsion. The name of ship is RUSS. In the project take part 15 countries like USA, GB, Germany, France and other. The project is greate: diameter of the ship must be 270 meters, high must be 60 meters, weight 600420000 kg. Velocity of the ship is calculated as 80-140 kmps, up to 340kmps. 800 persons would be the team of ship, as Alexander said. Cargo space is 70000 m^3. Are you think that it is real? Yes, it is! Month ago I saw article on this topic in other newspaper. Propulsion is not reactive but it is special kind of assymmetry of energy transformation, by my opinion. The fuel is circulating inside of the ship. I am not sure that authors made some tests for small model of such sort system. By some concepts the asymmetry of energy transformation that is propulsion nature of this ship, must be connected with assymmetry of entropy function and in other words it is connected with local time rate changes. So, let us see what happen soon in this area. In any case, the time for reactionless (gravitation) drive in space industry is coming now. Alexander V. Frolov From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Nov 10 11:13:28 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id LAA23526; Sun, 10 Nov 1996 11:11:24 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 11:11:24 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 11:10:32 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199611101910.LAA07713@switzerland.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: mrandall@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Michael Randall Subject: Melnitchenko, Smith, Tesla Resent-Message-ID: <"cFnkV1.0.Ql5.QZYXo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/568 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 07:09 PM 11/11/96 +0300, you wrote: >Dear Sirs, > >I am glad to say some more news from Russia about free energy research. > >Inventor Andrew A. Melnitchenko made some devices powered by small >primary source like 1.5 VDC battery and demonstrated that RESONANCE >effect is the way to free power output. He connected fan motor 17 Wtt >to his electronic system and it is working! Other load is 60 Wtt and >it is working also! By his opinion, the system like his resonance circuit >powered by small battery DC can be power source for home (KWtS) also! >The battery is necessary to make alternating voltage output for resonance >circuit. It is possible to close the loop and to make self-charging >battery mode. [snip] His sounds similar to an American inventor Don Smith I posted (10/20/96) on Vortex-l as follows: >I received the new (to me it was new) and fascinating work of Don Smith, his ITS Symposium Workshop video and 1996 edition of his book "An Answer to America's Energy Deficit," both available at the ITS bookstore. The video (2.5 hrs) is a must view for those interested in how to build a Smith unit(s). He showed lots of pictures of his units An early unit schematic is in the book (five editions). His latest design a 30kva is commercially manufactured in Japan and other parts of the world (not in the USA yet), and his advanced design is solid state device (not discused due to commercial aspect of his technology). All of the devices needed to be grounded to earth to work at high energy output. Some of his theory is explained in the ITS journal Apr/May/Jun 1996. D'Arsonval experimented with this back in 1800's and the orignal notes of Maxwell's equations showed this (electron pair). Don said that some of his schematic and info is on the Internet over in Holand, England and Japan. Has anyone seen it? Does anyone know where I could get more info from Japan? He said that within 6 months to a year it will be available in the USA from Japan. He encourages others to build a unit. So far only 6 out of 100 researchers who tried building a unit succeeded. Michael Randall> > >In resonance, as you must know from colledge textbook, source is not >the source of current, but it is source of voltage only. It don't require >current from source and it don't require power expense from source. > > >You can try to find inventor in Moscow by phone of newspaper: 7-095-2573515. >I must note that this telephone number many times was published in articles >are connected with topic of free energy and perpetuum mobile. > >This article is different from other since it made some references on Tesla's >work. Yes, it is the same Tesla's resonance transformer but in this version >inventor don't rise output to million Volts like Tesla made. > >I hope that somebody is interested to make joint research with Andrew >Melnitchenko. He need partners like most of inventors. If you'll have some >progress in this deal, please, let me know. Perhaps, together we'll can open >this door in future. > >Good luck, > >Alexander V. Frolov > > > > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Nov 10 23:07:07 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id XAA11167; Sun, 10 Nov 1996 23:02:27 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 23:02:27 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 22:59:54 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199611110659.WAA20671@lithuania.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: mrandall@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "Alexander V. Frolov" From: Michael Randall Subject: Re: Melnitchenko, Smith, Tesla Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Resent-Message-ID: <"k9vxl2.0.Lk2._ziXo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/569 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 09:03 AM 11/12/96 +0300, you wrote: >Dear Sir, > >Your info is great! 30 KVA is serious power level to try to re-build it.[Don encourages other researchers to build a unit. He has several different designs. I am currently building the commercial 30 kVA unit. No o/u yet. I'll scan my Electronic Workbench (EWB) file into a gif file and post it here. Maybe someone can see where I can make the unit work. The unit is also commercially available in Japan and in Finland.] >CAn I get by any way (normal post is better) some schemes?[Yes. The video of his 1996 ITS workshop, that explains in detail his designs, and his book, is available from the International Tesla Society (ITS) bookstore, PO Box 5636, Colorado Springs, Colorado 80931, USA. Tel:(719)475-0918] What is the >address of inventor. I'll write letter for him. [Donald L. Smith, Energy Consultant, 8110 Bent Oak Lane, Spring, Texas 77379, USA] > >Alexander V. Frolov BTW does anyone one of a file conversion program that will convert a EWB .CA or .CD file to a gif file? Thanks Michael From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 13 02:36:05 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id PAA25820; Tue, 12 Nov 1996 15:33:17 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 15:33:17 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 18:28:41 -0500 X-Sender: richarda@mailhub.icx.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: richarda@icx.net (Richard Austin) Subject: Re: Electronic Circuit Software Resent-Message-ID: <"PmuB41.0.JJ6.waGYo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/570 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Look at Ivex on the web. www.ivex.com They have a free schematic and PCB program up to 100 pins. 200 pins can be bought from Allied for $29.95. For smaller projects this works quite well and you can create PC boards by sending the gerber and NC drill file output directly to manufacturers around the country. The programs are called WinDraft and WinBoard. I have used these successfully. Richard Austin -- email: richarda@icx.net -- radio: KG7SU Check out the Institute for Planetary Renewal at http://user.icx.net/~richarda From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Nov 14 13:24:19 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id NAA29007; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 13:07:18 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 13:07:18 -0800 (PST) Date: 14 Nov 96 16:05:05 EST From: "Glenn F. Hinton" <103510.1772@CompuServe.COM> To: list owner Subject: Minto Message-ID: <961114210505_103510.1772_IHL34-1@CompuServe.COM> Resent-Message-ID: <"5eyKQ3.0.r47.0euYo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/572 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Tuesday, 11-12-96, Chuck Knight wrote: "I'm the guy who originally posted the information on the Minto Wheel (and other minto inventions) I've been meaning to put it onto my web site, under an "energy" heading. If you can wait about a week, I can put it up, nicely formatted, with the complete text." Yes Chuck I would be very interested in anything you could post at your site on Wally Minto and his inventions. When your site is ready, please post notice and address and I will be the first one there!! Thanks for your response and the future info on Mr. Minto. Thanks again, Glenn Hinton From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Nov 14 14:14:52 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id NAA09627; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 13:50:15 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 13:50:15 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199611142000.OAA20631@eve.telalink.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Lynn" Organization: J.L. Dortch & Associates To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 14:01:07 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: test don't download Reply-to: jldortch@telalink.net Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.40) Resent-Message-ID: <"H1ZI41.0.GM2.GGvYo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/573 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: TERRORIST ALERT : There is a northeast terrorist group operating in North America. They are stockpiling the most advanced weaponry known to man, and are highly dangerous! They have committed high treason against the lawful government, refused to comply with current arms legislation, and have refused to pay lawful taxes. This paramilitary group is highly proficient in guerrilla warfare, and is currently being led by a man who held the rank of lieutenant in the military, but is now referred to by his cult of followers as General. This hate crazed, anti-government group may be linked to a separatist movement. Anyone having information as to the whereabouts of one George Washington, please contact His Majesty's representative as soon as possible! ICBM : 36 04'56.4" N 87 23'18.6" W --- PGP Public Key avilable from MIT BAL Public Key server--- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Nov 14 16:12:28 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id QAA02812; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 16:00:10 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 16:00:10 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 16:55:18 -0700 Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19961114175824.1dcf6ea8@holly.colostate.edu> X-Sender: trex@holly.colostate.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Thomas Rice Subject: IANS Resent-Message-ID: <"kKyEl3.0.lh.7AxYo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/574 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Greetings to All, I wanted to know if any on the list are now, or have been members of the International Association for New Science, or Academy for New Energy, located in Fort Collins, CO? I ask as I have recently discovered them and found out several points of interest. One, a new director has taken over IANS. While I have a meeting next week, I can already see that a number of positive changes are coming down, quickly. Two, IANS will be setting up a full lab in the very near future to continue their work. Todate, the labs focus has been to confirm or deny the claims made concerning specfic devices. If the device does not work as claimed they make every effort to determine why. Last, they have moved to a new, larger location, and added staff. IANS new mailing address is, 216 Commerce, Unit #4, Fort Collins, CO, 80526. Phone, (970) 482-3731, fax (970) 482-3120. Thanks for your time. Sincerely, Thomas A. Rice "One man's magic is another man's technology". Robert A. Heinlein "Any sufficiently advanced technology will be indistinguishable from magic." Arthur C. Clarke From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Nov 14 16:14:17 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id QAA03155; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 16:02:14 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 16:02:14 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 17:36:09 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199611142336.RAA15234@firefly.prairienet.org> From: w9sz@prairienet.org (Zack Widup) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: test don't download Reply-To: w9sz@prairienet.org Resent-Message-ID: <"pJbjr3.0.An.4CxYo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/575 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > >TERRORIST ALERT : There is a northeast terrorist group operating in >North America. They are stockpiling the most advanced weaponry known >to man, and are highly dangerous! They have committed high treason >against the lawful government, refused to comply with current arms >legislation, and have refused to pay lawful taxes. This paramilitary >group is highly proficient in guerrilla warfare, and is currently being >led by a man who held the rank of lieutenant in the military, but is >now referred to by his cult of followers as General. This hate crazed, >anti-government group may be linked to a separatist movement. Anyone >having information as to the whereabouts of one George Washington, >please contact His Majesty's representative as soon as possible! > I've seen a few benches where he slept! :-) Zack -- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Nov 16 04:42:57 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id EAA00261; Sat, 16 Nov 1996 04:39:04 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 04:39:04 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 05:38:50 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199611161238.FAA23239@inquo.net> X-Sender: katech@pop.inquo.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Kent Subject: UltraJuice Resent-Message-ID: <"Sj8_43.0.-3.eNRZo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/576 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I found a Website that talks about a device called the UltraJuice. anyone heard of it? (looks like a VTA to me.) anyway, this thing looks quite interesting. web site for your approval http://atlas.comet.net/~gus/satire/freeenergy.html Kent From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Nov 16 07:08:31 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id HAA26537; Sat, 16 Nov 1996 07:07:08 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 07:07:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <328DD836.190A@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 08:05:26 -0700 From: Chuck Humphrey Reply-To: Next-Gen@ix.netcom.com Organization: NextGeneration Software X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: UltraJuice References: <199611161238.FAA23239@inquo.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"4h4bj3.0.WU6.RYTZo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/577 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: before getting all excited about this you might want to check the web site at: http://atlas.comet.net/~gus/satire/ You will see the UltraJuice is a bogus AP report. Chuck Kent wrote: > > I found a Website that talks about a device called the UltraJuice. anyone > heard of it? (looks like a VTA to me.) anyway, this thing looks quite > interesting. > web site for your approval > http://atlas.comet.net/~gus/satire/freeenergy.html > > Kent From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Nov 16 08:04:15 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id IAA09820; Sat, 16 Nov 1996 08:03:34 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 08:03:34 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <328DE6A3.3D4B@plix.com> Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 08:06:59 -0800 From: redorman@plix.com (Dorman, Robert ) Reply-To: redorman@plix.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: UltraJuice References: <199611161238.FAA23239@inquo.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"sdczF1.0.HP2.KNUZo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/578 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Kent wrote: > > I found a Website that talks about a device called the UltraJuice. anyone > heard of it? (looks like a VTA to me.) anyway, this thing looks quite > interesting. > web site for your approval > http://atlas.comet.net/~gus/satire/freeenergy.html > > Kent Don't you recognize a fraud when you see it? First of all, since when have such highly credentialed experts jumped so quickly on the bandwagon of something that apparently destroys their reality? And what about the oil stock plummeting 80%? This whole story is the product of a self-confirmed "satirist" do'n-cha-know! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Nov 16 09:20:00 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id JAA29092; Sat, 16 Nov 1996 09:18:24 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 09:18:24 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 09:17:54 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199611161717.JAA05213@claim.goldrush.com> X-Sender: crosiar@GOLDRUSH.COM (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: wesly crosiar Subject: Re: UltraJuice Resent-Message-ID: <"u61tB.0.S67.UTVZo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/579 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 05:38 AM 11/16/96 -0700, you wrote: >I found a Website that talks about a device called the UltraJuice. anyone >heard of it? (looks like a VTA to me.) anyway, this thing looks quite >interesting. >web site for your approval >http://atlas.comet.net/~gus/satire/freeenergy.html > >Kent: Look at the adress, [SATIRE], in particular, then reread the article. > > > crosiar@GOLDRUSH.COM THANKS WES WESLEY CROSIAR PO BOX 268 SAN ANDREAS, CA. 95249 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Nov 16 19:49:36 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id TAA16614; Sat, 16 Nov 1996 19:44:57 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 19:44:57 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: jameshartman@michigan.tsrcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 1 (Highest) Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 21:47:54 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: jameshartman@tsrcom.com (James Hartman) Subject: DIAMAGNETIC MATERIAL Message-ID: <19961117034422562.AAA134@breakwater.tsrcom.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"2sP0i2.0.U34.teeZo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/580 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: A All, I'm seeking a diamagnetic chart, and a source for free or low cost diamagnetic material for testing. If you know of a source for any or both I would like to know. Thanks, ---James E. Hartman From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Nov 16 21:11:55 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id VAA02672; Sat, 16 Nov 1996 21:08:34 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 21:08:34 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 14:08:11 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199611170508.OAA26221@meshsv21.tk.mesh.ad.jp> From: Takuma Mori To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Check my Site!! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Becky! ver 1.09 Resent-Message-ID: <"O6Uw73.0.ff.HtfZo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/581 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Check my English & Japanese Free Energy Site!! index(ENGLISH): http://www2.meshnet.or.jp/~smori/netforest/free-energy/index_eng.html Villasenor de Rivas's US PATENT: http://www2.meshnet.or.jp/~smori/netforest/free-energy/rivas/ Stanley Mayer's US PATENT: http://www2.meshnet.or.jp/~smori/netforest/free-energy/mayer/ //------------------------------------------------------------------------ // Name : Takuma Mori / tky // Mail : mori@mxc.meshnet.or.jp // Home : http://www2.meshnet.or.jp/~smori/netforest/ // Att. : C programer & WWW maker & Free Energy Developer & Naturalist //------------------------------------------------------------------------ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Nov 16 21:46:38 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id VAA09703; Sat, 16 Nov 1996 21:43:13 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 21:43:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <328EA4B3.74BC@cris.com> Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 00:37:55 -0500 From: Martin Engelking Organization: none(yet) X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Hi all. References: <199611170508.OAA26221@meshsv21.tk.mesh.ad.jp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"hy4Xg2.0.SN2.lNgZo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/582 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi all, I'm a male, 14 years of age and I just subscribed to this mailing list. (in fact, that's the first mailing list I've ever subscribed to ) Anyway, does anybody have diagrams & plans for anti-gravity machines that can alter the gravity within their closest surroundings, giving the operator some 'power' to alter gravity at will? I am looking for a device that has been proven to work and that can be built in an above-average equipped middle school / high school shop. I have a CNC (computer numerical controlled) mill and lathe, some neat tools, and tons of materials available from my industrial technology teacher. Thanks, Martin From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Nov 16 22:53:54 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id WAA21805; Sat, 16 Nov 1996 22:51:49 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 22:51:49 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <328EB6D2.E26@plix.com> Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 22:55:14 -0800 From: redorman@plix.com (Dorman, Robert ) Reply-To: redorman@plix.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Hi all. References: <199611170508.OAA26221@meshsv21.tk.mesh.ad.jp> <328EA4B3.74BC@cris.com> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------28B476472DE4" Resent-Message-ID: <"2O2Dx3.0.cK5.4OhZo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/583 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------28B476472DE4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Martin Engelking wrote: > > Hi all, I'm a male, 14 years of age and I just subscribed to this > mailing list. (in fact, that's the first mailing list I've ever > subscribed to ) > > Anyway, does anybody have diagrams & plans for anti-gravity machines > that can alter the gravity within their closest surroundings, giving the > operator some 'power' to alter gravity at will? > I am looking for a device that has been proven to work and that can be > built in an above-average equipped middle school / high school shop. > I have a CNC (computer numerical controlled) mill and lathe, some neat > tools, and tons of materials available from my industrial technology > teacher. > > Thanks, > Martin Hi Martin, Welcome to the list. You must be very interested in science to want to subscribe to this list and want to work on such an ambitious project. I am sorry that I don't have any anti-gravity machine plans for you. I spent several years in college studying engineering science (I was graduated way back in 1970) and was always told that such things were impossible. Even today, most scientists and engineers believe it is impossible. They say the same thing about machines that put out more power than you have to put in. But you know what? I don't think I believe that any more. Although I don't yet know how to do these things, I don't say that they can't be done, either. In fact, maybe you can help me with a project that I started writing about but never got a chance to build. I'm attaching a file to this posting (I hope you know how to retrieve it from your computer) about it so you can read it and let me know if it's something you might like to experiment with. It has to do with a machine that might get more power than what you put in (we often refer to this as free-energy). You can e-mail me at redorman@plix.com Good luck, Bob Dorman --------------28B476472DE4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name="Liag.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="Liag.txt" Low Inertia Armature Generator (LIAG) for Greater Power Efficiency by Robert E. Dorman March 22, 1996 Reformated for E-Mail 7/15/96 **************************************************************** C O P Y R I G H T N O T I C E Copyright 1996 This paper, in printed or electronic form, is copyrighted and may not be reproduced for sale, in whole or part, without the author's written permission. However, it may be freely copied and distributed in its entirety, without alteration, with full credit given for its authorship. **************************************************************** The generator design described I have placed in the public domain so that its usefulness might be proven as quickly as possible. Anyone is free to experiment with or market this device without any exclusive rights or license. **************************************************************** ABSTRACT A Low Inertia Armature Generator (LIAG) is introduced. This is an electric power generator with stationary coils and magnets, but with a rotating perforated magnetic shield between them, which should eliminate magnetic counterforce when under load. This allows for a light-weight armature and the possibility of greater than 100% efficiency, as Lenz's Law does not apply when there is no relative movement of the coil with respect to the magnetic field. 1.0 CONVENTIONAL GENERATOR THEORY 1.1 Configuration Conventional generators use either a stationary magnetic field (either permanent magnets or electromagnets) and a rotating coil armature), or they use a stationary coil (stator) and a rotating magnetic field. For simplicity sake, we will assume permanent magnets provide a fixed magnetic field for both the conventional generator and the LIAG. Coils of wire, wound upon laminated soft iron cores, make up the armature in the conventional generator. The mechanical input to the conventional generator is a rotary movement coupled to the armature shaft and the electrical output is taken from the armature coil through brushes. 1.2 Induction Theory Conventional electrical theory has it that electricity is produced, or more correctly, induced, in a coil of wire moving through a magnetic field (or, if you will, a magnetic field moving through a coil of wire). This is a simplification, or special case of the more general phenomena governed by Faraday's law of electromagnetic induction, which describes the electrical effect of a changing magnetic field. The induction of electric current in the moving coil (connected to an appropriate electrical load, of course) is not so much an effect of the relative movement of the coil with respect to the magnet as it is of the CHANGE in the magnetic field that is seen by the coil. Since the function of an electric generator is to change mechanical power into electrical power, the movement of the coil in the magnetic field (or vice-versa), as the mechanical input, is a logical choice--but not the ONLY one possible. 2.0 CONVENTIONAL GENERATOR PROBLEMS 2.1 Weight A problem with conventional generators, especially large ones, is the heavy weight of the armatures. This contributes to frictional losses in the bearings, maintenance costs, requires a high starting torque, and can require complex and costly support structures. 2.2 Magnetic counterforce A more important loss, perhaps, occurs as a result of the phenomena described by Lenz's law: The induced current will appear in such a direction that it opposes the change that produced it. That mechanical agent which turns the armature coil (which is wired to an electrical load so that the circuit is completed and current will flow) in the magnetic field, will encounter an opposing force, requiring mechanical force to be used to overcome it to turn the coil. To put it briefly, to get electricity out we have to put mechanical work in. 3.0 LIAG DESIGN 3.1 Mechanical configuration A LIAG has a rotating perforated magnetic shield that spins between a stationary magnetic field (for our purposes, and for greatest efficiency, made up of permanent rare earth supermagnets) and stationary coils (wound upon laminated soft iron cores). This shield alternately passes and blocks the magnetic field and thereby induces an electric current in the coils. 3.2 Theory of operation The moving component, the magnetic shield, has negligible current flow through it, so there is no force opposing its motion due to electromagnetic induction, as there is with the conventional generator with its moving coils. Lenz's law does not apply because there is no moving coil or magnet to act upon. Because the shield is made from metals that have some magnetic properties, there should be a modest amount of magnetic drag as the metallic portions of the shield pass by the magnets. It should be emphasized that this opposing force, like the even lesser frictional force, is independent of the electrical load. Therefore, as the load is increased, the mechanical power rotating the armature does not have to increase accordingly. One can conclude, then, that with a modest mechanical power input sufficient to maintain an appropriate rotational velocity against the opposing forces of friction and magnetic drag, a power output could be produced that would only be limited by the strength of the magnetic field and the current carrying capacity of the wire coils. 3.3 Magnetic shield The main component of the shield is one or more layers of mu- metal [this may be a trade name, but is mentioned here in the context of a family of alloys commercially used for magnetic shielding]. This is a thin, light weight metal alloy that greatly attenuates the magnetic field strength. Although it provides a high degree of magnetic attenuation, it saturates in strong magnetic fields. Soft iron, on the other hand, does not attenuate very well (for the same thickness), but does not saturate as easily in strong magnetic fields. The shield, therefore, should be a laminate of materials, starting with the metal having the least tendency to saturate being next to the magnets and progressing to the metal having the greatest mag- netic attenuation, but poorest saturation characteristic, closer to the coils. The goal is to produce a shield with a maximum of magnetic attenuation, a minimum of saturation, a minimum of magnetic attraction (to cut down on the magnetic drag), and a minimum of thickness (so that a maximum magnetic field strength can reach the coils through the holes in the shield.) The shield, in the course of its rotation, will act as a shutter to rapidly switch on and off the magnetic field reaching the coils, thus inducing current flow. 4.0 CONCLUSION It is hoped that an excitement about the prospects for this power generation method has been kindled. The basic theory and advantages have been given. Detailed design considerations, drawings, experimental procedures, material resources, annotated bibliography of reference sources, and many possible mechanical and electrical configuration diagrams for AC and DC power generation using the LIAG method will be found in my yet to be published book: THE LIAG DESIGN MANUAL, VOL.I-THEORY AND NOTES. AUTHOR'S BACKGROUND I was graduated in 1970 from the State University of New York at Stony Brook with a Bachelor of Engineering degree in engineering science. I have had over twenty years of experience, both as an employee and as an independent contractor, working as an electronics engineer, systems engineer and technical writer. This included work in such fields as reliability engineering, software and hardware development for embedded processor systems, proposal writing, electronic warfare, military communications, satellite systems, weather instrumentation, and ultrasonic dispersive delay line and subsystem design. I have presented technical papers and conducted training seminars. I am presently doing independent research in northeast Washington, working toward a second degree in accounting, doing volunteer work, and am on the board of directors for the North Country People's Cooperative. --------------28B476472DE4-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Nov 16 23:08:30 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id XAA24115; Sat, 16 Nov 1996 23:06:28 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 23:06:28 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 23:06:00 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199611170706.XAA25233@claim.goldrush.com> X-Sender: crosiar@GOLDRUSH.COM X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: wesly crosiar Subject: Re: Hi all. Resent-Message-ID: <"cqLsk1.0.eu5.pbhZo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/584 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 12:37 AM 11/17/96 -0500, you wrote: >Hi all, I'm a male, 14 years of age and I just subscribed to this >mailing list. (in fact, that's the first mailing list I've ever >subscribed to ) > >Anyway, does anybody have diagrams & plans for anti-gravity machines >that can alter the gravity within their closest surroundings, giving the >operator some 'power' to alter gravity at will? Check out the back of popular science, look for INFORMATION UNLIMMITED. They have information [PLANS] on anti gravity [how to], machines that hover [negative ions] However they won't be able to help you alter gravity itself. Be carefull if you decide to build one of these devices, the voltages involved are lethal!! crosiar@GOLDRUSH.COM THANKS WES WESLEY CROSIAR PO BOX 268 SAN ANDREAS, CA. 95249 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Nov 16 23:56:41 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id XAA29729; Sat, 16 Nov 1996 23:54:47 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 23:54:47 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <328EC59C.1EE0@plix.com> Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 23:58:20 -0800 From: redorman@plix.com (Dorman, Robert ) Reply-To: redorman@plix.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: DIAMAGNETIC MATERIAL References: <19961117034422562.AAA134@breakwater.tsrcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"bBWsT1.0.PG7.5JiZo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/585 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: James Hartman wrote: > > All, > > I'm seeking a diamagnetic chart, and a source for free or low cost > diamagnetic material for testing. If you know of a source for any or both I > would like to know. > > > Thanks, > > ---James E. Hartman > From: Introduction to Electromagnetic Fields and Waves by Corson & Lorrain, W.H.Freeman and Co.,1962,pp.280,284. "Diamagnetic Materials. In these materials, the elementary moments are not permanent but are induced according to the Faraday law. The resultant polarization is in the direction opposite to the external field; the relative permeability is less than unity and is independent of temperature. All materials are diamagnetic, but orientational polarization may predominate,in which case the resultant permeability is greater than unity." "Magnetic Susceptibilities of Common Diamagnetic and Paramagnetic Substances Substance Magnetic Susceptibility Bismuth -1.7E-4 (X10 to the -4 power) Lead -1.7E-5 Mercury -3.2E-5 Copper -9.4E-6 Liquid Oxygen 3.5E-3 Platinum 2.9E-4 Aluminum 2.1E-5 Oxygen (NTP) 1.8E-6 The CRC Handbook of Chemistry and Physics (44th Ed.) has a long table of Diamagnetic Susceptibilities of Organic Compounds. Another book, Foundations of Electromagnetic Theory, Reitz & Milford, Addison-Wesley Pub.Co.,1967, claims that the susceptibility IS a function of temperature, and gives this table. Note the differences, even as much as an order of magnitude. [at room temp.] Aluminum 2.3E-5 Bismuth -1.66E-5 Copper -0.98E-5 Diamond -2.2E-5 ... Mercury -3.2E-5 Silver -2.6E-5 Oxygen (1atm) 209.0E-8 ... I don't have a late edition of the CRC Handbook, but that's probably the first place to look if the above isn't sufficient. --Bob this data, in turn, had been collected from the 33rd Edition of CRC Handbook of Chemistry and Physics. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Nov 17 01:35:49 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id BAA12729; Sun, 17 Nov 1996 01:32:46 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 01:32:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <328EDAB2.B9E@cris.com> Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 04:28:18 -0500 From: Martin Engelking Organization: none(yet) X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Hi all. References: <199611170706.XAA25233@claim.goldrush.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"_2tfq.0.o63.zkjZo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/586 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > Be carefull if you decide to build one of these devices, the voltages > involved are lethal!! Thanks for the warning. I heard some of those devices use megawatts of power! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Nov 17 11:03:32 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id LAA24802; Sun, 17 Nov 1996 11:01:12 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 11:01:12 -0800 (PST) From: Andrew Cantino Message-Id: <199611171900.OAA27706@big.seorf.ohiou.edu> Subject: Re: Hi all. To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 14:00:51 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <328EA4B3.74BC@cris.com> from "Martin Engelking" at Nov 17, 96 00:37:55 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Resent-Message-ID: <"m2dt72.0.O36.s3sZo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/587 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > > Hi all, I'm a male, 14 years of age and I just subscribed to this > mailing list. (in fact, that's the first mailing list I've ever > subscribed to ) > > Anyway, does anybody have diagrams & plans for anti-gravity machines > that can alter the gravity within their closest surroundings, giving the > operator some 'power' to alter gravity at will? > I am looking for a device that has been proven to work and that can be > built in an above-average equipped middle school / high school shop. > I have a CNC (computer numerical controlled) mill and lathe, some neat > tools, and tons of materials available from my industrial technology > teacher. > > Thanks, > Martin I'm working on that too. If you find a project, please let me know. Andrew P.S. Try a spinning superconducting disk. -- Andrew Cantino ** ac817@seorf.ohiou.edu http://www.seorf.ohiou.edu/~xx053/homepage.html http://www.seorf.ohiou.edu/~xx053/hide/free.html From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Nov 17 11:06:59 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id LAA25540; Sun, 17 Nov 1996 11:04:32 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 11:04:32 -0800 (PST) From: Andrew Cantino Message-Id: <199611171903.OAA27814@big.seorf.ohiou.edu> Subject: Re: Hi all. To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 14:03:56 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <328EDAB2.B9E@cris.com> from "Martin Engelking" at Nov 17, 96 04:28:18 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Resent-Message-ID: <"xtuih2.0.tE6.-6sZo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/588 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > > > Be carefull if you decide to build one of these devices, the voltages > > involved are lethal!! > > Thanks for the warning. I heard some of those devices use megawatts of > power! > > I'm 14 too. Nice to meet you, welcome to the list! Andrew -- Andrew Cantino ** ac817@seorf.ohiou.edu http://www.seorf.ohiou.edu/~xx053/homepage.html http://www.seorf.ohiou.edu/~xx053/hide/free.html From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Nov 17 12:09:43 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id MAA10806; Sun, 17 Nov 1996 12:08:14 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 12:08:14 -0800 (PST) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Message-Id: Organization: Private person From: "Alexander V. Frolov" Date: Wed, 18 Dec 96 00:04:40 +0300 X-Mailer: BML [MS/DOS Beauty Mail v1.36h] Subject: electrogravitation Lines: 136 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"c23_h1.0.ke2.i2tZo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/590 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >From alex Wed Dec 18 00:02:18 MSK 1996 Hello, people I published it already by subject: TT Brown... I repeat it once more: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Sun, 29 Oct 95 23:15:12 +0300 From: alex To: billb@eskimo.com Subject: Electrogravity Dear Sirs, Did you saw T.T.Brown's patent USA 3,187,206 Electrokinetic apparatus, June 1, 1965? Look at Figure 5, Figure 6, Figure 7. The idea is THE ASYMMETRY for electric potential field. Before I saw these Figures I prepared own patents on it, but now it is clear that I invented old news of 1965. So, what is "dielectric body form" that produce motion in electrostatic device. I----------------------> positive Look at the Figure here: ______I_______ /I I I I\ / I I I I \ / I I I I \ / I I I I \ / I I opened I I \ /dielectricI I cylinder I Idielectric\ /____________I I I I____________\ ______________ ______________ ring ring I-----------> negative Positive charged cylinder and negative charged ring are two plates for simple asymmetrical capacitor. Forces from ring to cylinder are perpendicular to its surface and sum of forces is equal to zero. Forces from cylinder to ring are perpendicular to ring and its sum is not equal to zero. Asymmetrical capacitor move up here. For T.T.Brown version was used asymmetry form for dielectric body like this: ----------------- positive plate ____ / \ / \ /____________\ --------------------- negative plate It is cross-section of dielectric body, the view from the butt-end. It is clear that forces are asymmetrical here since lines of electrical field are curved. Let's try show it here: metal plate of capacitor /positive/ . ------.-------.-------.---------.-.-.-.- . . . . _._._._._ . . . / . . . ./ . . / . / . . / ./ / dielectric body . / / /__________________________________ ------------------------------------------------ metal plate of capacitor /negative/ The rule is that line of field always is perpendicular to surface. It is reason to create the asymmetry for forces here. I am ready for joint experimental work or patent work in this direction if you can offer some help in funds for equipment for it. The calculations I made show that 1000 Volts can create force in several Kg for capacitor 1 m diameter. It is defined by distance between plates and by material of dielectric. Microtechnology that can create submilimeter size shape for dielectric decribed above allow built it. Alexander V. Frolov Engineer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also I have some additions: In process of the conference June 1996 we organized here in St.-Petersburg, Russia, person from Sweden < david@banhof.se > made the lecture on the topic of electrogravitation. I would like to recommend for you the next example: I ____________________I________________________ big flat charged electrode ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ <-- positive charges . . . . . . . - - - - - . . . . I I . . . . dielectric . . . I I . <--- gradient electric field . - - - - - . . . . . . . . . . . ..... --- I small charged (point) electrode I negative charged I So, in asymmetrical electrical field the polarization of dielectric is asymmetrical, i.e. one end of dielectric is more polarized than other end, so there is some difference in forces are acting on the dielectric body from different ends of dielectric if it is placed in gradient field. In the picture above, result force is directed down, i.e. in direction of the field gradient (in area of more strong field). I must note that the same situation is the reason for well-known electrical attraction of dielectrics bodies to charged body. Any field round of charged body is gradient field, i.e. there is some change of potential value as function of distance from the source of field. So, I'll glad to have some news from you about experiments in this topic. Sorry, but my 12 y.old and 11 y.old sons have not interest to such sort topics. Best regards, Alexander V. Frolov From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Nov 17 12:37:45 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id MAA17270; Sun, 17 Nov 1996 12:31:34 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 12:31:34 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <328F74A0.3B7B@cris.com> Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 15:25:04 -0500 From: Martin Engelking Organization: none(yet) X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Hi all. References: <199611171900.OAA27706@big.seorf.ohiou.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"QnBDo3.0.kD4.ZOtZo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/591 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Andrew Cantino wrote: > > P.S. Try a spinning superconducting disk. I don't think I can obtain one :( Could you explain me what will (or may) happen? Martin From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Nov 17 12:38:07 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id MAA17637; Sun, 17 Nov 1996 12:32:47 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 12:32:47 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <328F74DA.614B@cris.com> Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 15:26:02 -0500 From: Martin Engelking Organization: none(yet) X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Hi all. References: <199611171903.OAA27814@big.seorf.ohiou.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"NKDzT.0.TJ4.gPtZo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/592 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Andrew Cantino wrote: > > I'm 14 too. Nice to meet you, welcome to the list! > Andrew That's cool! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Nov 17 12:41:15 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id MAA18547; Sun, 17 Nov 1996 12:36:31 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 12:36:31 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <328F75AF.5C0D@cris.com> Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 15:29:35 -0500 From: Martin Engelking Organization: none(yet) X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: electrogravitation References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"k1a4O2.0.gX4.9TtZo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/593 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Alexander V. Frolov wrote: > > I published it already by subject: TT Brown... > > I repeat it once more: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Please stop repeating the messages.. thanks, Martin From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Nov 17 12:54:52 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id MAA21755; Sun, 17 Nov 1996 12:50:42 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 12:50:42 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 11:50:53 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: hheffner@anc.ak.net (Horace Heffner) Subject: Re: electrogravitation Resent-Message-ID: <"oEcET.0.mJ5.UgtZo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/594 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: [snip] > >The rule is that line of field always is perpendicular to surface. It is >reason to create the asymmetry for forces here. > > [snip] >Alexander V. Frolov This rule does not apply to dielectrics, true? A dielectric molecule aligns with the field in its neighborhood, regardless of the presence of any nearby dielectric surface. This effect is similar to magnetic fields in the presence of a permeable substance. What is involved is a dipole moment of the constituants. Regards, PO Box 325 Palmer, AK 99645 Horace Heffner 907-746-0820 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Nov 17 13:15:06 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id NAA26950; Sun, 17 Nov 1996 13:13:16 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 13:13:16 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 12:14:27 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: hheffner@anc.ak.net (Horace Heffner) Subject: Re: electrogravitation Resent-Message-ID: <"nAkfY.0._a6.h_tZo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/595 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: [snip] > > > I----------------------> positive >Look at the Figure here: ______I_______ > /I I I I\ > / I I I I \ > / I I I I \ > / I I I I \ > / I I opened I I \ > /dielectricI I cylinder I Idielectric\ > /____________I I I I____________\ > ______________ ______________ > ring ring I-----------> > negative > > >Positive charged cylinder and negative charged ring are two plates for simple >asymmetrical capacitor. Forces from ring to cylinder are perpendicular to its >surface and sum of forces is equal to zero. Forces from cylinder to ring are >perpendicular to ring and its sum is not equal to zero. Asymmetrical capacitor >move up here. > [snip] > >Alexander V. Frolov Since electrostatic force between any two charges is exactly balanced, i.e. symmetrical, it is clear that the upward force on the ring is exactly balanced by the corresponding downward force on the assembly above it. The construction of the assembly is unimportant. It could be replaced with a black box, or more simply by another ring: I-------------------> positive I > ______________ I ______________ > ______________ ______________ > ring ring I-----------> > negative Where is the relation to gravity, or acceleration of the frame of the device? Regards, PO Box 325 Palmer, AK 99645 Horace Heffner 907-746-0820 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Nov 17 20:53:33 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id UAA04364; Sun, 17 Nov 1996 20:50:29 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 20:50:29 -0800 (PST) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Message-Id: Organization: Private person From: "Alexander V. Frolov" Date: Thu, 19 Dec 96 03:10:22 +0300 X-Mailer: BML [MS/DOS Beauty Mail v1.36h] Subject: electrogravitation by T.Brown and modern space project RUSS Lines: 36 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"dsgi91.0.441.Ki-Zo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/596 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Alexander V. Frolov said: AF: >The rule is that line of field always is perpendicular to surface. It is >reason to create the asymmetry for forces here. Horace Heffner: From: w9sz@prairienet.org (Zack Widup) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Gravity info Reply-To: w9sz@prairienet.org Resent-Message-ID: <"2DMxs2.0.UG4.Wm_Zo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/597 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >Hi all, I'm a male, 14 years of age and I just subscribed to this >mailing list. (in fact, that's the first mailing list I've ever >subscribed to ) > >Anyway, does anybody have diagrams & plans for anti-gravity machines >that can alter the gravity within their closest surroundings, giving the >operator some 'power' to alter gravity at will? >I am looking for a device that has been proven to work and that can be >built in an above-average equipped middle school / high school shop. >I have a CNC (computer numerical controlled) mill and lathe, some neat >tools, and tons of materials available from my industrial technology >teacher. > > Thanks, > Martin > Hi Martin et al, This is from the Keelynet BBS. I cannot vouch for its workability. Also, I would like to point out this uses very high and DANGEROUS voltages. Power consumption doesn't appear to be excessive though. The special tube used would be quite expensive ... I asked the local plastics company how much it would cost to make and it was in the many hundreds of dollars range. Be very careful with it if you attempt to build it. Zack **************************************** (word processor parameters LM=8, RM=75, TM=2, BM=2) Taken from KeelyNet BBS (214) 324-3501 Sponsored by Vangard Sciences PO BOX 1031 Mesquite, TX 75150 October 17, 1990 listed on KeelyNet as GRAVITY3.ZIP courteously shared by Joseph Misiolek -------------------------------------------------------------------- /==\ \ / /==\ \ /== /=================================\ | | \/ | | |\ | Systems | The Resonant Gravity Field Coil | +==+ || | | |||| Present | (or: how to manipulate reality | | | /\ | | | \| | in a 530 square inch area) | ===/ \=/ \=\==/=/ \ \=================================/ ____________________________________________________________________ | By (_>Shadow Hawk<_) | | Theory, concept, and Idea by: ????????????????????? | -------------------------------------------------------------------- NOTICE: Within this file will be presented a potential method of altering the spatiotemporal continuum as one desires. I take no responsibility for any use or misuse of this information, whether harmful or otherwise. The effects of this device, if used in a careless manner, can be EXTREMELY DANGEROUS. ____________________________________________________________________ | Gravity Resonance? What is this nut talking about????? | -------------------------------------------------------------------- You are probably thinking, "how can gravity possibly be resonant?" This is a good question. As discovered by Thomas Townsend Brown, electricity is directly related to gravity (see his U.S. patents 1,974,483, 3,187,206 in particular.) If this is so, it is most likely a vectorial relationship (law of opposites), and since there is already an electromagnetic vector (2 dimensional), a gravitational vector would be at 90 degrees to both the magnetic and the electric vectors (since we are in a 3 dimensional space.) The gravitational vector is like the "duration in time" of the electric and magnetic vectors. There are also, in addition to scalar electric and magnetic waves (see Bearden, Thomas E. "Toward a new electromagnetics: part IV: vectors and mechanisms clarified. Tesla Book Co., Millbrae, California, 1983. This work, however, fails to mention gravity waves, although it does mention controlling gravity), there are also scalar gravitic waves (see Ford, L.H and A. Vilenkin. "A gravitational analogue of the Aharanov-Bohm effect." Journal of Physics A. Mathematical, Nuclear, and General. (Great Britain). 14(9), Sep. 1981. p. 2353-2357.) ____________________________________________________________________ | Okay. So There are gravity waves. | | How can resonating them control reality? | -------------------------------------------------------------------- All of the above has been proven; this is where basically theory comes in. There has been much supposed experimental proof of these effects, however all current research is, unfortunately, proprietary, and it is extremely hard to come by anything helpful. The only good sources of information are some small mail order book stores, and no one store has everything. One example of publicized experimental proof is the information regarding the largely ignored Biefield-Brown effect, whereby gravity can be nullified and even reversed due to electric charge (see Thomas Townsend Brown, Above patents), and the book on the Philadelphia experiment (and NOT THE MOVIE! The movie was fiction, the book is an attempt to analyze what little fact is known.) The true Philadelphia experiment, if it actually occurred, used a Navy ship degausser modified to act as some type of resonant gravity vector coil. The actual theory is that, since electricity can be "transmitted" through the ether through electric scalar and vector waves, and magnetic energy through magnetic scalar and vector waves, why not gravitational scalar and vector waves, if they do exist (law of opposites)? A gravity wave is the temporal "shape" of the electric and magnetic vector (I hope this is a good explanation!), and by changing this shape you are changing the molecular construction of the matter (or lack thereof) transmitting the waves. Also, since there are an infinite number of parallel, real universes (see Hypernumbers II, by Charles Muses, January 1978 "Applied Mathematics and Computation", and his introduction to Jerome Rothstein's "Communication, Organization, and Science," The Falcon's Wing Press, Indian Hills, CO, 1958), the gravity vector coil MAY allow the psychic (scalar electromagnetic brain wave) postulation of reality through the G- vector. Thiscould also be done with a computer, but both are beyond the scope of this paper. I will now present the plans for the construction of a simple G-vector coil. What you do with it from here is up to you, show it to your physics teachers and have them look up the references and watch their eyes pop as they find out the speed of light is NOT constant. ____________________________________________________________________ This, actually, is the hardest part. You will either have to spend a lot of $$$ at a plastics company or have some good friends to get but one of the parts needed, the others should be fairly easy. Listed in order of availability (2) 50 VDC (DC-10 MHZ preferred, but...) @ 10A, 50KV isolated power supplies (parts list for those:) (2) 110 VAC to 48 VDC @ 10A Isolated stepdown transformers (500 watt) (2) 100V PIV rectifier diode Optional (2) Heatsinks for above (2) 0-120 VAC @ 10A variacs (variable autotransformer) (2) 80-100V @ 1000uF electrolytic capacitors Optional (1 or 2) Case to hold it all in (1) 25-100 KVDC (again, DC-10 MHZ preferred...) @ 100-400 uA (not necessarily variable) 50 kV isolated power supply (parts list) (1) 10-12 KV @ 20-30 mA neon sign transformer (4) TV HV diodes - 12-14 KV PIV (4) HV capacitors, 500-1000 pF @ 10 KV (1) 0-120 VAC @ 10A variac (variable autotransformer) (1) Case to put it all in about 7500 feet of #16 Guage heavy Formvar magnetwire a lot (probably 5000 feet) of #20 or #22 magnetwire some fiberglass tape some plastic tape TV HV corona dope And, the clincher: (1) Hollow plastic dia., about 30"-32" outside diameter, 24-26" inner diameter, and about 4"-6" thick. It must be hollow, thermosetting plastic, with supports for an internal coil of wire, and two holes for the wire to leave, spaced to avoid electrical discharges. It must be boiling wax-tight, preferrably with a gasket. And it should be openable, at least into 4 sections, with screwholes (and gaskets if available.) You also need enough of equal portions of Carnubura (sp) beeswax, and paraffin wax to fill the inside. ____________________________________________________________________ | Construction | -------------------------------------------------------------------- (1) Wind a 28" (about, must center inside the hollow part of the plastic donut) "hoop" coil of the #16 magnetwire. (see Illustration 1) (2) Wrap first with fiberglass and then plastic tape, and then dip it in TV HV corona dope. Allow to dry. (3) Place the coil inside the hollow donut. (4) Seal the donut, allowing an opening for the wax to be poured into. (5) Pour the wax into the donut, leaving as little air space as possible. (6) Seal the donut, adding any extra wax. (7) Wrap approximately one layer of the #20 or #22 guage magnetwire over the outside of the donut. (8) Coat with HV corona dope. (9) You are finished with the coil. It should look similar to illustration 2. See illustration 3 for a cutaway view. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Illustration 1: ____________________________________________________________________ Top View Side View __ || ___/--\ ----- 1000 turns #16 magnetwire ----- __//| | | __/|| ---\__/ ||-- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Illustration 2: ____________________________________________________________________ Top View Side View ___ /-------------\ \\|// / / / | | | \ \ \ |\/ \/| --- Outer Layer of #20 ---| | | | | | | | | |- -| or #22 magnetwire | | | | | | | | | |/\ /\| | | | | | | | | | //|\\ \ \ \ | | | / / / --- \-------------/ -------------------------------------------------------------------- Illustration 3: ____________________________________________________________________ Cutaway (side) View _____________________________________________________ / / / / / // / / // / / / | | | \ \ \ \\ \ \ \\ \ \ \ \ / / / / / // / / / | | | | _____ | | | | \ \ \ \\ \ \ \ \ / / / / / / | | | | _______/*****\_______ | | | | \ \ \ \ \ | | | | | | ______/*******=======*******\_______ | | | | | Plastic Donut ---|*******=====================*******| | | | | | (hidden by wire)| |*******=====================*******| | | | | | | | | | | | ------\***** <-\ ======*****/------- | | | | | \ \ \ \ \ \ | | | | -----\ \ === /----- | | | | / / / / / \ \ \ \ \ \\ \ \ \ | | | | | ^ | | | | / / / // / / / / \ \ \ \ \ \\ \ \ \\ \ \ \ | | / / / // / / // / / / / ----------------------- ^ | | -------------------- Toroidal Plastic "Donut"----^ | | \- The ='s represent the inner "hoop". Outer layer of #20 or #22 magnetwire or coil of wire. The *'s represent the wax mixture. -------------------------------------------------------------------- | Building The Power Supplies | -------------------------------------------------------------------- If you are unfamiliar with electronics, you may need some help with this section, as I am only presenting the schematics. Here they are: For both 50VDC power supplies: ____________________________________________________________________ /---\ /\ v | 100V Piv 15A diode / \ _mmmmm_+__ ___|\|__+__________________/0-15\__+ / Variac )||( |/| | 1000 uF @ 80 V \DC A/ =)====== 110)||(48 --- electrolytic \ / \__________)||(_____ /-\ \/ 120 VAC 110V to 48V \ |- Grounded Plug 10A Transformer \_+__________________________- (2) of these are required. Note that the stepdown transformer must be 50kv isolated. -------------------------------------------------------------------- For the 100 KVDC power supply: ____________________________________________________________________ /---\ v | _mmmmm_+__ ____________________+___________+____________________ | Variac )||( _|_ _|_ HV | 110)||(8-10KV |/ \ /14KV PIV/-\cap | ________)||(_____________||_ _v_ TV HV | | | 100V to 8-10KV |\ \ | Diode +____+______ | | 100uA Transformer ^ \__+ | _|_ \ /___\ 800-1000 pf 10KV \ TV HV-^- \ /TV HV| 120 VAC capacitor \ diode/ \ -v-diode| grounded plug \ -|- | _|_ /\ \______+ + HV /-\ / \ Note that all unmarked parts | | cap | / 0- \ have the same value as their | |/ | +/ 1000 \ marked counterparts. +_||_+_ |\ / |\ \ -^-\ uA / HV cap | / \ \ / | -|- \/ | | !! \_____/ TV HV diode -------------------------------------------------------------------- | Usage | -------------------------------------------------------------------- To connect the power supplies to the coil, connect the wires leading out of the donut (from the inner coil) to one 50 VDC power supply. The polarity, at this stage, does not matter. Next, connect the leads from the outer coil to the other 50 VDC power supply. Do NOT turn either of them on! Now, connect one of the leads of the inner coil to one terminal of the 25-100 KV power supply, and connect one lead of the outer coil to the other terminal of the 25- 100 KV power supply. Thats it! -------------------------------------------------------------------- Now, the hard part. You will have to figure out some way of modulating the fields. This could be done through stepper motor control of the variac, or through the insertion of a probe coil (probably just a ferrite rod wrapped with a few hundred turns of wire) into the center of the donut hole. This would then be modulated with whatever electromagnetic signal you'd want to impress upon the field. Through careful experimentation, you should be able to produce some very interesting effects, such as extreme gravity, bending of metal within the field, spontaneous materialization of ?, etc. Note that the purpose of the wax is to act as a molten dielectric, so don't be surprised when it starts boiling. Thats why the donut form must be made out of thermosetting (or any kind that doesn't melt near the temperature of boiling wax) plastic. Have phun, and don't do anything you wouldn't want perpetuated throughout your subjective reality! (_>Shadow Hawk<_) ******************************************************************** Appendix to the above paper..............by Joseph John Misiolek ******************************************************************** There are two modifications to the above device which should make the effect of the unit more powerful, while at the same time making it more safe for the operator to conduct his/her research. 1. In place of the wax in the coil being used as a "molten dielectric", it would be advantageous to use Glycerine instead. The "scorch field" set up between the two coils using the 25- 100kvdc supply will be approx. 25 times greater in intensity than with the wax. While the dielectric constant (k) of wax is less than 3, the (k) of Glycerine is about 56. Also, the semi-liquid state that Glycerine maintains at room temperature will prove to be an effective heat-sink for the inner coil. Glycerine is an emollient, and can be obtained from most drug stores. 2. The Modulator coil (250-300 turns) on ferrite core to be placed into the interior of the coil shall be replaced by a coil larger in diameter than the outer coil of the present unit (as herein described) and shall be placed outside the units' outer coil. This will give a more stable field configuration, while confining the gravitational effects to the interior of the device. These two modifications, while increasing the units' power, will also provide a level of safety not to be had in the original design. A word of caution! -------- While operating this device, it would be wise to secure a non- interruptable power supply for it. If, while the fields were at their maximum output, the power to the coils were to be suddenly interrupted, a very serious condition could arise as the distorted region of spacetime surrounding the coil "cut-loose" into the surrounding spacetime beyond the coils influence. A "pulse" of distorted spacetime might, under these conditions, leave the coil at high velocity, and inflict great damage to the surroundings near the coil. (Including the operator) -------------------------------------------------------------------- DON'T SAY THAT YOU WEREN'T WARNED!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -------------------------------------------------------------------- If you have comments or other information relating to such topics as this paper covers, please upload to KeelyNet or send to the Vangard Sciences address as listed on the first page. Thank you for your consideration, interest and support. Jerry W. Decker.........Ron Barker...........Chuck Henderson Vangard Sciences/KeelyNet -------------------------------------------------------------------- If we can be of service, you may contact Jerry at (214) 324-8741 or Ron at (214) 242-9346 -------------------------------------------------------------------- -- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Nov 17 22:40:23 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id WAA25148; Sun, 17 Nov 1996 22:39:28 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 22:39:28 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: jameshartman@michigan.tsrcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=====================_848320951==_" Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 00:42:31 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: jameshartman@tsrcom.com (James Hartman) Subject: HOLT1.ASC X-Attachments: D:\GRAVITY\HOLT1.GRA; Message-ID: <19961118063855375.AAA104@tanker.tsrcom.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"TCAeO2.0.n86.VI0ao"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/598 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: --=====================_848320951==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I have a number of reports published on T. Townsend Browm via Electric Spacecraft Journal, Keelynet, So on all over the web. Here is a guy who I feel should not be overlooked. The file is a common ASCII file <.TXT> with <.GRA> ext. I use on my system for gravity and spaceship files. --=====================_848320951==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="HOLT1.GRA" ______________________________________________________________________________ | File Name : HOLT1.ASC | Online Date : 09/26/95 | | Contributed by : James Hartman | Dir Category : ENERGY | | From : KeelyNet BBS | DataLine : (214) 324-3501 | | KeelyNet * PO BOX 870716 * Mesquite, Texas * USA * 75187 | | A FREE Alternative Sciences BBS sponsored by Vanguard Sciences | | InterNet email keelynet@ix.netcom.com (Jerry Decker) | | Files also available at Bill Beaty's http://www.eskimo.com/~billb | |----------------------------------------------------------------------------| Notice: I discovered this document in 1992 and felt after discussing it with others on the Internet in 1995, that it may be of great use for both engineers and other researchers who are part of the Keelynet. This includes serious UFO researchers who investigate technical properties. I further believe this type of propulsion may be what has been seen over New York, Belgium in the past 10 years. Other documents by Alan C. Holt have illustrated a "Winged Disc" that have a circular center with the same glowing bright center seen on Wedge-Shaped UFOs over many nations. The A.C. Holt Document A80-38979 "Prospects for a breakthrough in field-dependent propulsion" is the best illustration document I have seen on this type of propulsion. - James Hartman ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ JSC-16073 Field Resonance Propulsion Concept (NASA-TM-80961) FIELD RESONANCE PROPULSION CONCEPT (NASA) N80-19184 13 p HC A02/MP A01 CSCL 21C G3/20 14761 August 1979 NASA - National Aeronautics and Space Administration Lyndon B. Johnson Space Center FOREWORD The speculative "propulsion" concept described in this paper was presented at a special session of the 15th Joint AIAA/SAE/ASME Propulsion Conference (June 18-20, 1979), "Propulsion Concepts for Galactic Spacecraft". The concept was developed as the result of private, unofficial research. NASA is not involved in UFO research. However, the research which may be stimulated by this paper could result in the verification of essential elements of this concept and in feasibility studies concerning the development of a new generation of NASA spacecraft. Alan C. Holt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ABSTRACT A new propulsion concept has been developed based on a proposed resonance between coherent, pulsed electromagnetic wave forms and gravitational wave forms (or space-time metrics). Using this concept, a spacecraft "propulsion" system potentially capable of galactic and inter-galactic travel without prohibitive "travel times" has been designed. The "propulsion" system utilizes recent research associated with magnetic field line merging, hydromagnetic wave effects, free-electron lasers, laser generation of megagauss fields, and special structural and containment metals. Research required to determine potential, field resonance characteristics and to evaluate various aspects of the spacecraft "propulsion" design is described. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FIELD RESONANCE "PROPULSION" CONCEPT ASSUMPTIONS ----------- The field resonance "propulsion" concept has been developed utilizing recent research into causes of solar flares, magnetic substorms, black holes, quasars, and UFOs. The concept is based on two assumptions: (1) Space-time is a "projection" of a higher dimensional space in much the same way that a hologram is a projection or a subset of our space- time reality, (2) A relationship exists between electromagnetic / hydromagnetic fields and gravitational fields - that is, Einstein's long sought for unified field theory can be developed. Mathematical relationships have been developed and theoretical concepts have been proposed to describe the causes and effects associated with the assumptions, but experimental data is required to develop the correct theoretical basis for the assumptions (Rachman and Dutheil, 1979). Specific research in a number of areas is needed and will be described later. ASTROPHYSICAL RESEARCH ---------------------- There does exist, however, some astrophysical data which tends to support these assumptions. For example, astronomers have speculated that a relationship may exist between black holes and quasars (white holes). The energy and matter which leaves space-time in a black hole may reappear at a white hole at some distant space-time point. For this transfer of energy from one space-time point to another to occur, some type of hyperspace or higher dimensional space (4th & 5th) is required. Assumption 2 may be the cause of the large amount of energy released in solar flairs. In sunspot regions where solar flairs occur, the 2-3 thousand gauss magnetic fields are configured such that the positive and negative polarities are in close proximity with each other. Where the positive and negative magnetic field lines are nearly anti-parallel a process called magnetic field line merging can take place. In this process the oppositely directed field lines break and re-connect expelling fields and plasma out the sides. As a result magnetic energy is converted into kinetic energy. The magnetic field line merging process has been proposed as the most likely explanation for solar flare eruptions. However, some flares can release energy which equals 10% of the suns' total output in a second. This large amount of energy is difficult to achieve with the magnetic field line merging concept. Thus it may be that the configuration of the magnetic fields and associated hydromagnetic waves (oscillation of field lines) may induce a "resonance" with gravitational fields resulting in a release of gravitational as well as magnetic energy. It is well known that the geometrical relationships of the magnetic fields (and thus the field gradients) are more important to the production of solar flairs that the magnitude of the field strength. A strongly convoluted boundary between magnetic polarities results in a high probability for large and frequent flares. Another fact of interest is that hydromagnetic waves generated by solar flare have been observed to propagate across the chromospheric surface and trigger flares in other sun spot regions. Alfven waves, which appear to be the dominant wave form involved, change only the geometry of the field lines. This effect also indicates that the initiation of solar flares definitely depends on geometrical relationships as do the properties of space-time and gravitational fields. Magnetic field line merging has also been used to explain the interaction of the solar wind (and associated fields) with the Earth's magnetic fields at the magnetopause and the generation of magnetic substorms which often are triggered by solar flairs. The magnetic fields line merging process is also an essential part of the field resonance "propulsion" concept. UFO RESEARCH ------------ UFO studies indicate that the unexplained (residual UFO) phenomena may be due to extraterrestrial visitors, parapsychological experiences, or a combination of the two. If some UFO phenomena are caused by extraterrestrial visitors in very advanced spacecraft, then the frequency of visits and the larger number of different types of visitors (many different humanoids have been described) imply an ability to cross large stretches of galactic and inter-galactic space in relatively short time frames. If the speed of light is a true limit of velocity in space-time, then the potential extraterrestrial visitors must utilize a form of transportation which transcends space and time to keep the trip times short. UFOs are often observed to disappear instantaneously. In a subset of these cases, the UFO later reappears at a nearby location implying a a disappearance from and a reappearance into space-time. The high speed, right angle turns, abrupt stops or accelerations of UFOs, and the absence of sonic booms despite calculated speeds of 22,000 mph or more suggest that UFOs may generate an artificial gravitational field or otherwise use properties of space-time which we are not familiar with. UFO propulsion systems appear to involve electromagnetic or hydromagnetic processes as evidenced by radiative effects on the environment such as burns, dehydration, stopping of automobile engines, TV and radio disruptions, melting or alteration of ground and road surfaces, power disruptions, and static electricity effects. This data suggests that the unknown relationship between electromagnetic and gravitational fields may be used in UFO propulsion systems. HISTORICAL DEVELOPMENT OF PROPULSION CONCEPT -------------------------------------------- The concept of transcending space-time for interstellar and intergalactic travel was felt to be a viable possibility based solely on theoretical studies in physics and astrophysics and UFO studies. But with the postulation and potential discovery of black holes, the potential for experimental support for this concept in the near future has been established. Astronomers have already speculated on the possibility that the mass and energy absorbed by a black hole may reappear in white holes or quasars. For mass and energy to be transported from one space-time point to another without an observable connection implies some form of higher dimensional space transcending space-time as we know it. The existence of a higher dimensional space would open up new space travel possibilities since the connections between space-time points through this hyperspace could involve laws much different than those which are so constraining in space-time. For example, if each space-time point can be assumed to be unique and if a relationship does exist between gravitational and electromagnetic fields, then each space-time point defined by a geometric form (Einsteins tensor metric) would be expected to have natural resonances with certain electro/hydro magnetic wave forms (geometric forms) which are (effectively) higher or lower harmonics of that space-time point (which is a "projection" of higher dimensional space). The potential existence of the space-time harmonics mean that if a craft at a specified space-time point artificially generate a configuration of electro- /hydromagnetic fields which has a resonance with a distant space-time point, a basic imbalance would be created. This imbalance would be out of harmony with the "projection laws" which create the space-time properties from higher dimensional properties. Forces would be set in motion to re-establish a balance which in this case require that the craft and its fields be located at the space-time point where such field configurations are a natural harmonic of that space-time metric. The best analogy in every day life is that of tuning a radio. The tuning knob in this case is the spacecraft's mechanism for changing the configuration of the magnetic wave form. The radio stations are various space-time points. For a radio, the signal (which is always there) is manifested through the speakers associated with the radio, for the field resonance system the speakers exist only at the radio station. Once the spacecraft's magnetic wave form is tuned into a distant space-time point, that wave form is forced to manifest only at that space-time point according to the "projection laws". A means of generating the electro-/hydromagnetic configurations which would be required remained a problem until the study of magnetic field line merging and hydromagnetic wave effects was undertaken. With the completion of recent thesis research, a possible means for generating the magnetic wave was determined (Holt, 1979). This research along with the results of fusion research resulted in the proposed implementation of a spacecraft which generates megagauss magnetic fields which are oppositely directed. These oppositely directed field lines will merge and re-connect expelled field lines and plasma out to the sides. In this initial concept, expelled field lines again meet oppositely directed field lines and merge again, possibly forcing large amounts of electromagnetic and hydromagnetic radiation outside the craft. This concept is currently undergoing revision. FIELD RESONANCE CONCEPT ----------------------- In the proposed implementation high powered lasers are used to generate the megagauss fields by the effects of non-colinear temperature and density gradients (Kruer and Eastabrook, 1977; Max et al., 1978; Nishihara and Ohsawa, 1976). By alternately pulsing adjacent laser sets, the location of the merging process can be made to oscillate back and forth at a desired rate. The amount of laser energy can be varied to alter the strength of the magnetic fields. Thus by changing the laser's power and/or wavelength and the pulse frequency, the resultant magnetic wave form can be changed or tuned to the desired harmonic of a distant space-time point. If flight to a nearby location is desired, the magnetic wave form can be continuously re-tuned allowing very quick and short space-time transformations. For an observer it would appear to be a smooth flight in much the same way that we do not see the individual frames of a film. For large jumps or travel to very distant space-time points, some means of preventing the tuning to intermediate space-time points is required. In recent thesis work it was shown that hydromagnetic waves can inhibit or enhance magnetic field line merging depending on a number of factors including the magnitude and frequency of the hydromagnetic waves (Holt, 1979). Thus by generating the appropriate hydromagnetic waves, the generation of a coherent magnetic wave form can be prevented until the laser characteristics have been adjusted so as to generate the magnetic wave form which is a harmonic of the distant space-time point. Then the hydromagnetic waves can be stopped and the magnetic wave form can develop. The medium in which the magnetic field line merging occurs (vacuum, ionized gas, etc), energy storage requirements, the pumping mechanism for the lasers, and crew control interfaces are currently being studied. To avoid large energy storage requirements, magnetic pumping of the lasers may be utilized to allow a reuse of a portion of the laser energy which is otherwise radiated. It may also be possible to obtain substantial energy during the initial part of the process of tuning to a new space-time point through the resonance with gravitational fields. By allowing the craft to continuously shift or oscillate to new, nearby space-time points, a continual supply of energy could be obtained while in a hovering mode. The oscillation could be accomplished by the modulation of magnetic field line merging by adjusting hydromagnetic wave parameters. This technique would provide energy for the lasers without disrupting major laser re-tuning processes. The outer shape of the proposed spacecraft is a "winged disc". The wings would be used for testing purposes only and could later be eliminated following sufficient testing (Grief and Tolhurst, 1963). RESEARCH REQUIRED ----------------- The magnetic field line merging process and the effects of varying associated parameters requires extensive study. Specific laboratory tests should be conducted, some of which could be conducted in association with fusion research. These tests should be supplemented by computer modeling studies and the collection of experimental data on magnetic field configurations and hyromagnetic wave fluctuations before and after solar flares and geomagnetic substorms. The generation of megagauss magnetic fields by high powered lasers and the effects of varying laser parameters should be studied in laboratory experiments. Much of this research could be accomplished in association with fusion research. Containment and protective materials and structures for the spacecraft could also be a by-product of fusion research. The pumping of lasers by the use of magnetic fields should also be studied in laboratory experiments. Extensive measurements of the radiation emitted by UFOs would be extremely useful in gaining insight into the physics and technology UFOs may represent. These measurements should include photographic spectra (using special filters for cameras), magnetic measurements (using high sensitivity detectors), recording of radio frequencies, and the use of geiger counters to detect high energy particles. A large distribution of special detectors, as described above, should be made to UFO investigators, police departments, and other interested individuals. In addition, portable modules containing sophisticated detectors should be located at strategic positions in various countries to allow rapid transport to high activity areas. Effects on minerals, plants, animals, and humans should be studied to gain insight into radiation emitted by UFOs. Effects on humans such as burns, symptoms of radiation sickness, and other body changes should be thoroughly investigated by physicians. Regressive hypnosis should be used extensively to obtain technologically valuable information from UFO close encounter participants. Three dimensional models of exterior and interior of UFOs should be made for cases which are significant from a technological point of view. As soon as some of the basic interactions are better understood or after a thorough review of the state of the art of hydromagnetic interactions is completed, small scale test models of the propulsion system and spacecraft should be constructed and extensive testing performed. The testing should proceed hand-in-hand with the results of other research. Several test models may be needed in case one or two are "lost". FINAL COMMENTS -------------- Since the field resonance concept utilizes two unproven assumptions and currently unverified magnetohydrodynamic processes, the concept is likely to require extensive modification and perhaps a complete revamping following initial research activity and subsequent feasibility studies. I am confident, however, that the research accomplished under the motivation of this or a similar propulsion concept will result in theoretical and technological advances and ultimate break through in propulsion and energy systems. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ --=====================_848320951==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" --=====================_848320951==_-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Nov 18 01:36:00 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id BAA19525; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 01:35:08 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 01:35:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <32902EA4.1835@plix.com> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 01:38:44 -0800 From: redorman@plix.com (Dorman, Robert ) Reply-To: redorman@plix.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: electrogravitation References: <328F75AF.5C0D@cris.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"HWW402.0.zm4.Bt2ao"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/599 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Martin Engelking wrote: > > Alexander V. Frolov wrote: > > > > I published it already by subject: TT Brown... > > > > I repeat it once more: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > Please stop repeating the messages.. > > thanks, > Martin If our esteemed collegue from Russia sees reason to repeat himself, I don't have a problem with this, nor, IMHO, should you. He is trying to make a valuable contribution to this list which you have so recently joined. --Bob From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Nov 18 12:32:44 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id MAA25722; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 12:12:48 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 12:12:48 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 12:09:27 -0800 (PST) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Where's Jerry Decker (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"1NBGg2.0.kH6._CCao"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/600 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 11:13:43 -0800 From: pat price To: billb@eskimo.com Subject: Where's Jerry Decker Bill, Do you have any information about whats happened to Jerry at Keelynet. His bbs does not answer anymore and his web page has not been updated since September 22, 1996. My youngest son (age 11) and I mirror several of his directories. It looks as if he dropped off the edge of the planet. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Nov 18 22:50:28 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id WAA00611; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 22:47:08 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 22:47:08 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <32915863.7EF6@leon.nrcps.ariadne-t.gr> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 08:49:07 +0200 From: John Piliounis Organization: Home Sweet Home X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: electrogravitation by T.Brown and modern space project RUSS References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ZjeaZ2.0.M9.fVLao"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/604 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Alexander V. Frolov wrote: > > Alexander V. Frolov said: > > AF: >The rule is that line of field always is perpendicular to surface. It is > >reason to create the asymmetry for forces here. > > Horace Heffner: > > > AF: The answer is experiment. T.T.Brown made it already from 1934 to 1965. > You are sure that molecula is symmetrical dipole and it is true. But in this > devices the asymmetry of surface (macro-effect) is working. > > T.T.Brown demonstrated his devices many years ago but he did not saw > interest to this technologies. > > But some changes become now in Russia. Super-institutes now are free > of state programms and high quality scientists try to realize their plans > in private market. Example of this is greate project of spaceship RUSS: > > 270 meters diameter, 60 meters high, 800 people team. The drive is not > reactive but gravitation. I explaned already how to make this type of > closed flow that can produce the propulsion. > > 15 countries are international team to take part in this project. > > If someone wish to know or to say more, please, contact. > > Alexander V. Frolov > alex@frolov.spb.ru Please Mr. Frolov, feel free to post more details, like addresses and phone numbers, so that someone can have an idea anf more info of what is going on at your place right now. Thanks. John Piliounis / Athens / Hellas (Greece) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Nov 19 02:53:46 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id CAA24986; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 02:52:07 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 02:52:07 -0800 (PST) From: bpaddock@execpc.com (Bob Paddock) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Where's Jerry Decker (fwd) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 05:44:11 -0500 Reply-To: bpaddock@execpc.com Message-ID: <79YkyUQy8oLU092yn@execpc.com> References: In-Reply-To: Lines: 24 Resent-Message-ID: <"ZcWAF2.0.I66.L5Pao"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/605 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > Do you have any information about whats happened to Jerry at >Keelynet. His bbs does not answer anymore and his web page has not been >updated since September 22, 1996. The Sep. 22 1996 date comes from the last time the www.keelynet.com web page was updated. He was still alive on the eve of Halloween Oct-30, as that was the last e-mail I got from him. The BBS has been down since last wednesday. The company that Jerry worked for was just bought out by Fujitsu, so hopefully his disappearance is simply related to that, and he is working him self to death. I think there is one of the Vangard "Round Table" meetings this wednesday. Some one told me the would check up on him then. -- For information on any of the following check out my WEB site at: //www.execpc.com/~bpaddock/ or http://www.usachoice.net/bpaddock Chemical Free Air Conditioning/No CFC's, Chronic Pain Relief, Electromedicine, Electronics, Explore!, Free Energy, Full Disclosure, KeelyNet, Matric Limited, Neurophone, Oil City PA, Philadelphia Experiment. : From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Nov 19 04:23:24 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id RAA18656; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 17:20:44 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 17:20:44 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: jameshartman@michigan.tsrcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 16:00:07 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: jameshartman@tsrcom.com (James Hartman) Subject: Re: Where's Jerry Decker (fwd) Message-ID: <19961118215625703.AAA183@oreboat.tsrcom.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"P1u_41.0.JZ4.SiGao"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/602 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 11:13:43 -0800 >From: pat price >To: billb@eskimo.com >Subject: Where's Jerry Decker > >Bill, > Do you have any information about whats happened to Jerry at >Keelynet. His bbs does not answer anymore and his web page has not been >updated since September 22, 1996. My youngest son (age 11) and I mirror >several of his directories. It looks as if he dropped off the edge of the >planet. > I have posted messages since 1992 there, I to can get no answers. He still has files not posted on the WWW that I have done 94-96. Bill I must say I also wonder. ---James E. Hartman From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Nov 19 04:32:25 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id QAA07112; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 16:24:56 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 16:24:56 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 15:43:04 -0700 Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19961118164610.27b785ea@holly.colostate.edu> X-Sender: trex@holly.colostate.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Thomas Rice Subject: Re: Where's Jerry Decker (fwd) Resent-Message-ID: <"nfzVm1.0.-k1.-uFao"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/601 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hello, I have been emailing Jerry for two months without a response. I will place a phone call or two this week. We miss you Jerry!!!! Thomas At 12:09 PM 11/18/96 -0800, you wrote: >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 11:13:43 -0800 >From: pat price >To: billb@eskimo.com >Subject: Where's Jerry Decker > >Bill, > Do you have any information about whats happened to Jerry at >Keelynet. His bbs does not answer anymore and his web page has not been >updated since September 22, 1996. My youngest son (age 11) and I mirror >several of his directories. It looks as if he dropped off the edge of the >planet. > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Nov 19 06:36:52 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id GAA15122; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 06:34:00 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 06:34:00 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 22:38:55 +0800 (SGT) Message-Id: <2.2.16.19961119223702.225f8e7c@po.pacific.net.sg> X-Sender: mpowers8@po.pacific.net.sg X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Mpower Subject: ? Query: combustion arrangements Resent-Message-ID: <"s8Pfs2.0.9i3.LLSao"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/606 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I have a question someone here might be able to answer. I believe it might be possible to build a device to accelerate gasses to high velocity by spinning them in a cylinder, much as the old (?) Hilsch vortex device which seperated hot air and cold air from the atmosphere. Before I go and 're-invent the wheel', I thought I might ask if anyone had seen such a device before. The circumstances are these: gas introduced (under pressure), High cross-section, low velocity. it is then accelerated to the low-cross-section exit port where it leaves possessing high velocity. thanks for any replies, ********************************************************** * http://home.pacific.net.sg/~mpowers8 ******** ********************************************************** From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Nov 19 08:25:23 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id IAA13416; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 08:22:57 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 08:22:57 -0800 (PST) From: MMcCoy@micro.honeywell.com (McCoy, Mark) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com (freenrg-l) Message-Id: <1996Nov19.102000.1650.396693@smtpmail.micro.honeywell.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail via PostalUnion/SMTP for Windows NT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 10:23:37 GMT Subject: RE: ? Query: combustion arrangements Resent-Message-ID: <"hlArk1.0.VH3.VxTao"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/607 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: If I understand what your question is, this type of device is used every day in industry and is known generically as a Vortex Cooler. They are used to supply cool (or hot) air for personnel and equipment cooling and work using compressed air. Most units for cooling vests use about 120 psi and 10-15 cfm for best performance. Let me know if you want vendor information. There are probably a dozen companies that supply these to the safety market. Mark McCoy mmccoy@micro.honeywell.com (972) 470-4462 ---------- From: freenrg-l To: freenrg-l Subject: ? Query: combustion arrangements Date: Tuesday, November 19, 1996 8:51AM I have a question someone here might be able to answer. I believe it might be possible to build a device to accelerate gasses to high velocity by spinning them in a cylinder, much as the old (?) Hilsch vortex device which seperated hot air and cold air from the atmosphere. Before I go and 're-invent the wheel', I thought I might ask if anyone had seen such a device before. The circumstances are these: gas introduced (under pressure), High cross-section, low velocity. it is then accelerated to the low-cross-section exit port where it leaves possessing high velocity. thanks for any replies, ********************************************************** * http://home.pacific.net.sg/~mpowers8 ******** ********************************************************** From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Nov 19 10:42:28 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id KAA25342; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 10:36:17 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 10:36:17 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: kbrown@tnc.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <2.2.16.19961119223702.225f8e7c@po.pacific.net.sg> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 11:35:59 -0700 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: "Ken G. Brown" Subject: Re: ? Query: combustion arrangements Resent-Message-ID: <"qSHlf3.0.nB6.VuVao"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/608 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: It seems as though the Tesla Turbine (pump) may be the device for you. What do you feel the advantage of such a device with respect to combustion would be? -Ken- >I have a question someone here might be able to answer. > >I believe it might be possible to build a device to accelerate gasses to >high velocity by spinning them in a cylinder, much as the old (?) Hilsch >vortex device which seperated hot air and cold air from the atmosphere. > >Before I go and 're-invent the wheel', I thought I might ask if anyone had >seen such a device before. > >The circumstances are these: > >gas introduced (under pressure), High cross-section, low velocity. > >it is then accelerated to the low-cross-section exit port where it leaves >possessing high velocity. > >thanks for any replies, >********************************************************** >* http://home.pacific.net.sg/~mpowers8 ******** >********************************************************** ____________________________________________________________________ Ken G. Brown, BscEE, PEng. Internet: Syngen Industrial Control Phone: 403.986.1203 206 Building B, 5904 - 50th Street Fax: 403.986.5299 Leduc, Alberta, Canada T9E 6J3 ____________________________________________________________________ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Nov 19 12:09:32 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id LAA20933; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 11:59:59 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 11:59:59 -0800 (PST) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Message-Id: Organization: Private person From: "Alexander V. Frolov" Date: Fri, 20 Dec 96 23:40:29 +0300 X-Mailer: BML [MS/DOS Beauty Mail v1.36h] Subject: RUSS space super-project. I have questions like you. Let's try to find the editor of newspaper... Lines: 36 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"xetRd.0.y65.z6Xao"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/609 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I saw this information in Newspaper "Ne moget byit" in russian, it is published in Russia, Germany, USA, Finland, France, Japan, Greece from 1990. The name of newspaper in English means "It is impossible", 100000 copies in russian version. Number of newspaper is 11(61) of 1996. Editor name: Mr. Igor Mosin. Tel of newspaper is 7-095-209-3581, Address for post: P.O.Box 446, Moscow, 107014, Russia. In article named several countries: Ukraina, USA, GB, Germany, France. Other participants are not named. Russia is not joined yet and it is reason for problem for general designer, head os laboratory "Cosmos" Alexander Razoumnyi. He is ukrainian but 270 persons of this 415 people laboratory are russian. If Russia will not join to project "Cosmos" must to move russian scientists to Ukraina. In the same article the same name of Mr. Razoumnyi is changed in Nikolay, so I can not understand what it is really. Weight of spaceship - 600420 000 kg Velocity: min 60-80 km per sec, nominal 80-140 kmps, max 340 kmps. Like you I am very interested to know more about this project but Ukraina now is foreight country and in St.-Petersburg there is no real news from Kiev. Perhaps someone can make a phone call to editor Mr. Mosin to have a contact address with "Cosmos" JSC and with Mr. Razoumnyi. I think that you in USA have more chance to have real answer from editor. Good luck, Alexander V. Frolov From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Nov 19 13:04:24 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id MAA07925; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 12:57:41 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 12:57:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <32921FE7.2C68@plix.com> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 13:00:23 -0800 From: redorman@plix.com (Dorman, Robert ) Reply-To: redorman@plix.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: RUSS space super-project. I have questions like you. Let's try to find the editor of newspaper... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"nAvod3.0.jx1.4zXao"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/610 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Alexander V. Frolov wrote: > > I saw this information in Newspaper "Ne moget byit" in russian, it is > published in Russia, Germany, USA, Finland, France, Japan, Greece from > 1990. The name of newspaper in English means "It is impossible", 100000 > copies in russian version. > > Number of newspaper is 11(61) of 1996. Editor name: Mr. Igor Mosin. > Tel of newspaper is 7-095-209-3581, > Address for post: P.O.Box 446, Moscow, 107014, Russia. > > In article named several countries: Ukraina, USA, GB, Germany, France. Other > participants are not named. Russia is not joined yet and it is reason for > problem for general designer, head os laboratory "Cosmos" Alexander > Razoumnyi. He is ukrainian but 270 persons of this 415 people laboratory > are russian. If Russia will not join to project "Cosmos" must to move > russian scientists to Ukraina. > > In the same article the same name of Mr. Razoumnyi is changed in Nikolay, > so I can not understand what it is really. Weight of spaceship - 600420 000 kg > Velocity: min 60-80 km per sec, nominal 80-140 kmps, max 340 kmps. > > Like you I am very interested to know more about this project but Ukraina now > is foreight country and in St.-Petersburg there is no real news from Kiev. > > Perhaps someone can make a phone call to editor Mr. Mosin to have a contact > address with "Cosmos" JSC and with Mr. Razoumnyi. I think that you in USA > have more chance to have real answer from editor. > > Good luck, > > Alexander V. Frolov There's our answer: "its impossible!" Sounds like USA's National Enquirer or the STAR. They puplish alot of unverifiable garbage. What makes it difficult to separate fact from fiction is that they sometimes publish something good, so you never realy know for sure! I wouldn't waste anymore bandwith on this alleged super space-ship. --Bob From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Nov 19 16:02:53 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id QAA25123; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 16:00:21 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 16:00:21 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 08:05:15 +0800 (SGT) Message-Id: <2.2.16.19961120080320.23d7850c@po.pacific.net.sg> X-Sender: mpowers8@po.pacific.net.sg X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Mpower Subject: Re: ? Query: combustion arrangements Resent-Message-ID: <"abr2J.0.Q86.Ieaao"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/611 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Ken G. Brown posted the following (edited for brevity) at 11:35 1996.11.19 -0700: >It seems as though the Tesla Turbine (pump) may be the device for you. What >do you feel the advantage of such a device with respect to combustion would >be? > >-Ken- > >>I have a question someone here might be able to answer. >> >>I believe it might be possible to build a device to accelerate gasses to >>high velocity by spinning them in a cylinder, much as the old (?) Hilsch >>vortex device which seperated hot air and cold air from the atmosphere. >> >>Before I go and 're-invent the wheel', I thought I might ask if anyone had >>seen such a device before. >> >>The circumstances are these: >> >>gas introduced (under pressure), High cross-section, low velocity. >> >>it is then accelerated to the low-cross-section exit port where it leaves >>possessing high velocity. What I am thinking about, for one, is automobile exhaust. The molecular velocity of the exhaust gas is much higher than the aggregate velocity of the exhaust. Picture the temperature of the exhaust gas as a composite vector which moves in all directions. Now absorb one portion of that vector in a single direction. The result would be a gas moving (approx 100 to 200 meters per second) in the other direction. If I could harness that type of energy.... ********************************************************** * http://home.pacific.net.sg/~mpowers8 ******** ********************************************************** From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Nov 19 21:22:21 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id VAA24669; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 21:08:27 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 21:08:27 -0800 (PST) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com References: <32921FE7.2C68@plix.com> Message-Id: Organization: Private person From: "Alexander V. Frolov" Date: Sat, 21 Dec 96 08:51:01 +0300 X-Mailer: BML [MS/DOS Beauty Mail v1.36h] Subject: Re: RUSS space super-project. I have questions like you. Let's try to find the editor of newspaper... Lines: 7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"EoF3n1.0.A16.b8fao"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/612 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Yes, Sir 99% that information on RUSS project is not true since the newspaper is not PhReview Magazine. So, let's wait for more news. Alexander V. Frolov From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Nov 21 03:38:42 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id DAA22887; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 03:25:51 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 03:25:51 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 20:42:22 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199611210442.UAA14037@switzerland.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: mrandall@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "Alexander V. Frolov" From: Michael Randall Subject: Re: Melnitchenko, Smith, Tesla Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Resent-Message-ID: <"A6wG3.0.Ub5.zm3bo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/613 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 09:03 AM 11/12/96 +0300, you wrote: >Dear Sir, > >Your info is great! 30 KVA is serious power level to try to re-build it.[Don encourages other researchers to build a unit. He has several different designs. I am currently building the commercial 30 kVA unit. No o/u yet. I'll scan my Electronic Workbench (EWB) file into a gif file and post it here. Maybe someone can see where I can make the unit work. The unit is also commercially available in Japan and in Finland.] >CAn I get by any way (normal post is better) some schemes?[Yes. The video of his 1996 ITS workshop, that explains in detail his designs, and his book, is available from the International Tesla Society (ITS) bookstore, PO Box 5636, Colorado Springs, Colorado 80931, USA. Tel:(719)475-0918] What is the >address of inventor. I'll write letter for him. [Donald L. Smith, Energy Consultant, 8110 Bent Oak Lane, Spring, Texas 77379, USA] > >Alexander V. Frolov BTW does anyone one of a file conversion program that will convert a EWB .CA or .CD file to a gif file? Thanks Michael From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Nov 16 21:11:55 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id VAA02672; Sat, 16 Nov 1996 21:08:34 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 21:08:34 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 14:08:11 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199611170508.OAA26221@meshsv21.tk.mesh.ad.jp> From: Takuma Mori To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Check my Site!! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Becky! ver 1.09 Resent-Message-ID: <"O6Uw73.0.ff.HtfZo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/581 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Check my English & Japanese Free Energy Site!! index(ENGLISH): http://www2.meshnet.or.jp/~smori/netforest/free-energy/index_eng.html Villasenor de Rivas's US PATENT: http://www2.meshnet.or.jp/~smori/netforest/free-energy/rivas/ Stanley Mayer's US PATENT: http://www2.meshnet.or.jp/~smori/netforest/free-energy/mayer/ //------------------------------------------------------------------------ // Name : Takuma Mori / tky // Mail : mori@mxc.meshnet.or.jp // Home : http://www2.meshnet.or.jp/~smori/netforest/ // Att. : C programer & WWW maker & Free Energy Developer & Naturalist //------------------------------------------------------------------------ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Nov 22 14:56:37 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id NAA02611; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 13:48:18 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 13:48:18 -0800 (PST) From: bpaddock@execpc.com (Bob Paddock) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Where's Jerry Decker (fwd) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 16:00:07 -0500 Reply-To: bpaddock@execpc.com Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Lines: 33 Resent-Message-ID: <"MGCyG1.0.ge.0-Xbo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/614 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: In article , you wrote: >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 11:13:43 -0800 >From: pat price >To: billb@eskimo.com >Subject: Where's Jerry Decker > >Bill, > Do you have any information about whats happened to Jerry at >Keelynet. His bbs does not answer anymore and his web page has not been >updated since September 22, 1996. My youngest son (age 11) and I mirror >several of his directories. It looks as if he dropped off the edge of the >planet. Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 14:04:59 -0600 To: bpaddock@execpc.com From: ".Chuck Henderson" Subject: Re: Jerry ok? Hi Bob, I was right, in that Jerry has been very busy at work due to the lab having new owners. He hasn't had the time to get on the Net, lately. Now as to the regular BBS, the computer that is used for it has developed a bad hard drive. Jerry will have it repaired as soon as he can. I hope this information helps. Chuck... -- For information on any of the following check out my WEB site at: http://www.execpc.com/~bpaddock/ or http://www.usachoice.net/bpaddock Chemical Free Air Conditioning/No CFC's, Chronic Pain Relief, Electromedicine, Electronics, Explore!, Free Energy, Full Disclosure, KeelyNet, Matric Limited, Neurophone, Oil City PA, Philadelphia Experiment. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Nov 23 08:17:17 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id IAA19337; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 08:00:21 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 08:00:21 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 08:00:14 -0800 (PST) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: aerogel critters Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"KejAL2.0.1k4.K-nbo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/616 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Aha, carbon aerogel DOES exist. It even originates from a classified military project. Apparently they use it to make ultracapacitors for energy storage for god knows what kinds of weapons. The surface area of a chunk of carbon aerogel is enormous, so if you can figure out a way to use it as a capacitor plate, you can pack immense capacitor values into tiny volumes. .....................uuuu / oo \ uuuu........,............................. William Beaty voice:206-781-3320 bbs:206-789-0775 cserv:71241,3623 EE/Programmer/Science exhibit designer http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/ Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com SCIENCE HOBBYIST web page http://www.astro.uni-jena.de/Users/welz/PHYSNEWS/1993/physics-news-1993-10-28.txt CARBON AEROGEL properties are in many respects better than those of their inorganic counterparts. Aerogels are microcellular foam materials; they are quite porous, low in density (0.1 g/cm**3), and have an area-to-mass ratio of 400-1000 m**2/g. Organic aerogels produced by scientists at Lawrence Livermore National Lab have an extremely low thermal conductivity, 0.012 watts per meter-kelvin, have greater strength and are better electrical conductors than inorganic aerogels, making them potentially useful as battery electrodes. Their pore size, as small as 5 nm, may make them valuable as gas filters. (Energy & Technology Review, May 1993.) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Nov 23 09:22:50 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id JAA09212; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 09:12:23 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 09:12:23 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 09:12:14 -0800 (PST) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Microwave camera Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"bLO7d3.0.mF2.r1pbo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/617 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Months and months ago I was talking with someone here about cameras which can see microwave. I stumbled across this URL which shows images made with such a camera: http://eros.wustl.edu/wu_sensor_data/nawc_flir/db_nawc_flir.html The "FLIR" in this url means "Forward Looking IR", of course. But how does IR connect with microwaves? Simple: low frequency IR light is the same as high frequency microwave energy. If you build a FLIR camera which can see very low freq IR (from cold objects) then you've built a passive microwave camera. The newer IR CCDs (FPAs) run uncooled, with no cryo TE modules. If these devices have fairly broadband reception, then the tail end of their frequency response would "see" microwaves. Chuck Shramek's "aura camera" file becomes more understandable if this was the type of CCD he used. If he illuminates an object with a very short wave microwave source, then views the object with an uncooled FPA camera, the sensitivity might be terrible, but the camera still would see something. And if sensitivity is bad, just turn up the "illumination" more. If he is also connecting a person to a tesla coil to fill their surroundings with ions, the ionized air would act as a conductor and be visible as somewhat opaque objects when viewed with microwaves. The "aura camera" would then just be a sort of 3D Kirlian photography setup, but with the tesla coil voltage so low that only ions and no corona glow is generated. (Idea: what happens if a human is connected to a tesla coil and then viewed with an image intensifier? Is there enough slight corona that the "aura" would be visible?) Another interesting tidbit: it is not widely known that longwave IR cameras can see through nonconductive materials. The ATF uses these cameras to look through walls and find the positions of people just before they enter a home. Clothing is transparent in the microwave. There is controversy about the police using these cameras because they can see concealed weapons, and this constitutes "illegal search". For privacy from microwave camera spying, put aluminum foil in your walls. Old ladies walking down the street with handguns in their purses should sew aluminum foil into the body of the purse to prevent illegal microwave searches by police. I've always been partial to the idea of using aluminum foil tape to write messages directed at IR camera users. Write "Microwave vision systems constitute illegal search" on some downtown city wall just before it is to be painted, and then only a microwave camera will see the message. .....................uuuu / oo \ uuuu........,............................. William Beaty voice:206-781-3320 bbs:206-789-0775 cserv:71241,3623 EE/Programmer/Science exhibit designer http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/ Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com SCIENCE HOBBYIST web page From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Nov 23 10:58:26 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id KAA05538; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 10:45:46 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 10:45:46 -0800 (PST) From: RMCarrell@aol.com Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 13:44:48 -0500 Message-ID: <961123134447_1420727803@emout16.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: aerogel critters Resent-Message-ID: <"-tmUG3.0.GM1.OPqbo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/618 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: A In a message dated 96-11-23 11:15:40 EST, Bill Beaty wrote: << Subj: aerogel critters Aha, carbon aerogel DOES exist. It even originates from a classified military project. Apparently they use it to make ultracapacitors for energy storage for god knows what kinds of weapons. The surface area of a chunk of carbon aerogel is enormous, so if you can figure out a way to use it as a capacitor plate, you can pack immense capacitor values into tiny volumes. >> Do you supposed this is the basis of the Takahashi supercapacitors, reportedly 20 farads @ 25 volts in one cubic centimenter? Mike Carrell From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Nov 23 10:59:07 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id PAA17007; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 15:29:49 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 15:29:49 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 00:15:23 +0100 Message-Id: <199611222315.AAA20741@bure.abc.se> X-Sender: m10190@mail.abc.se X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Conny.Ohstrom@abc.se (Johnny Feelgood) Subject: Free-energy, Golden Ratio and harmony Resent-Message-ID: <"Ray5x2.0.a94.hTZbo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/615 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Have you been thinking to combine the harmony of the nature when developing free-energy devices? Since nature already have its "free-energy machines" running all around us, but we cant see them! Why can the bumble-bee fly when our scientists say they cant? Why can the dolphins jump that high when its impossible? etc. I had an idea for a few days ago. Note: just some heavy thinking! 1) Take a Wimhurst/Methernita: two weels spinning around with some plates on them, making two halves of several capacitors. 2) Add som Fibonacci-series (1,1,2,3,5,8,13,22,33,55) to the wheels. 3) spin the wheels. 4) Notice that they will spinn for ever, or until sparks will start comming from the innermost plates! How? Left wheel (L), and right wheel (R). every odd numbers of the Fibonacci-series (1,2,5,13,33) goes to the Left-wheel (L) as number of segments. first (1) is innermost. The even numbers of Fibonacci (1,3,8,22,55) goes to the right wheel (R). Left Wheel 1s 2s 5s 13s 33s C ##### ##### ##### ##### ##### C ##### ##### ##### ##### ##### 1s 3s 8s 22s 55s Right Wheel (C=Center of wheels, #s=number of segments) My idea was that (somehow) will the small charges travel from the outmost plates towards the center by jumping back and forth between the two wheels and with gradually increasing charge. The innermost segments on each of the wheels could then be tapped of the collected charge! Materials? I dont know. Copper? Aluminum? Both? Is this a dustbin-idea or not? At least it mimick one of the nature's harmonic series ... so it should work (?) --- Ps. Anyone heard of the Hubbard-transformer that is built with the Golden Ration? 3:1 output gain ... exit --- Dont steal, the government hates competition! Conny Ohstrom; Vita liljans vag 57, 3tr; S-127 34 SKARHOLMEN; SWEDEN; phone: +46-8-978055; mailto:conny.ohstrom@abc.se http://www.abc.se/~m10190/index.htm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Nov 23 13:53:53 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id NAA16582; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 13:21:43 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 13:21:43 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <32976B35.585F@leon.nrcps.ariadne-t.gr> Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 23:23:01 +0200 From: John Piliounis Organization: Home Sweet Home X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Free-energy, Golden Ratio and harmony References: <199611222315.AAA20741@bure.abc.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"pzFK21.0._24.ahsbo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/619 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Johnny Feelgood wrote: > > Have you been thinking to combine the harmony of the nature when > developing free-energy devices? > > Since nature already have its "free-energy machines" running all around > us, but we cant see them! Why can the bumble-bee fly when our > scientists say they cant? Why can the dolphins jump that high when its > impossible? etc. > > I had an idea for a few days ago. Note: just some heavy thinking! > 1) Take a Wimhurst/Methernita: two weels spinning around with some > plates on them, making two halves of several capacitors. > 2) Add som Fibonacci-series (1,1,2,3,5,8,13,22,33,55) to the wheels. > 3) spin the wheels. > 4) Notice that they will spinn for ever, or until sparks will start > comming from the innermost plates! > > How? Left wheel (L), and right wheel (R). every odd numbers of the > Fibonacci-series (1,2,5,13,33) goes to the Left-wheel (L) as > number of segments. first (1) is innermost. The even numbers of > Fibonacci (1,3,8,22,55) goes to the right wheel (R). > > > Left Wheel > 1s 2s 5s 13s 33s > C ##### ##### ##### ##### ##### > C ##### ##### ##### ##### ##### > 1s 3s 8s 22s 55s > Right Wheel > > (C=Center of wheels, #s=number of segments) > > My idea was that (somehow) will the small charges travel from > the outmost plates towards the center by jumping back and forth > between the two wheels and with gradually increasing charge. > The innermost segments on each of the wheels could then be > tapped of the collected charge! > > Materials? I dont know. Copper? Aluminum? Both? > > Is this a dustbin-idea or not? At least it mimick one of the > nature's harmonic series ... so it should work (?) > > --- > > Ps. Anyone heard of the Hubbard-transformer that is built with > the Golden Ration? 3:1 output gain ... > exit --- Dont steal, the government hates competition! > Conny Ohstrom; Vita liljans vag 57, 3tr; S-127 34 SKARHOLMEN; > SWEDEN; phone: +46-8-978055; mailto:conny.ohstrom@abc.se > http://www.abc.se/~m10190/index.htm Why don't you try with just two plain cd-rom music disks, one covered with thin aluminium foil and the other with copper foil. Place them face to face (e=v/l) and force them to spin in opposite directions. Two antennas (ordinary wire) touch the spining CDs so that the covered faces are in contact with the anntenna wires. You may guess the length of the antennas. Watch out..................... From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Nov 23 14:52:43 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id OAA01994; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 14:25:25 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 14:25:25 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 14:24:04 -0800 (PST) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: aerogel critters In-Reply-To: <961123134447_1420727803@emout16.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"wEvop2.0._U.Fdtbo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/620 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Sat, 23 Nov 1996 RMCarrell@aol.com wrote: > Do you supposed this is the basis of the Takahashi supercapacitors, > reportedly 20 farads @ 25 volts in one cubic centimenter? Could be. Supercapacitors have been around since the mid-80s, but 20F @ 25v would be about a litre in size, based on the "helmholtz double layer" effect, and using activated charcoal as plates and water/sulfuric-acid electrolyte. There's a company called Polystor coming out with what they call an "ultracapacitor" based on carbon aerogel (with solid electrolyte, I think). No info on the energy density. A search on Ultracapacitor turned up railgun references, so that must be the main military app. Although particle beam weapons need energy storage capacitors too! .....................uuuu / oo \ uuuu........,............................. William Beaty voice:206-781-3320 bbs:206-789-0775 cserv:71241,3623 EE/Programmer/Science exhibit designer http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/ Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com SCIENCE HOBBYIST web page From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Nov 23 17:03:15 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id QAA20014; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 16:46:28 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 16:46:28 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 16:45:31 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199611240045.QAA20146@aphex.direct.ca> X-Sender: jfajber@direct.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: James Fajber Subject: Hutchison Effect Resent-Message-ID: <"R9GRw1.0.Xu4.Yhvbo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/621 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I found this article in B.C. Bookworld, Autumn 1996, and I'm passing it along for research purposes... Rock soup and strange science In 1979, self-taught scientist John Hutchison gathered some small stones from the street. He put them into a test tube-sized metal container and added a mixture of low-cost, common chemicals - he won't reveal which ones - then put his rock soup on the stove to simmer. This allowed water to evaporate and tiny pockets of air to rise from the stones so that the chemicals could enter them. Before the mixture cooled into a solid, he added specially treated posts to draw electricity from the crystal-like substance. Hutchison has been subsequently credited as the inventor of "the Hutchison Effect". When an electrostatic generator and other equipment create an electromagnetic field, heavy pieces of metal levitate and shoot toward the ceiling. Some pieces even shred. Put simply, some new-energy theorists think the effect is the result of opposing electromagnetic fields cancelling each other out, creating a powerful flow of energy. New Westminster's Hutchison is one of the scientists profiled in "The Coming Energy Revolution: The Search for Free Energy" (Avery $12.95) by Jeanne Manning of Vancouver. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Nov 23 23:22:12 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id XAA23390; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 23:14:31 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 23:14:31 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 21:04:06 -0800 (PST) From: William Beaty Reply-To: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: FS: Personal Schumann Resonance device kits (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"YDsUd.0.Ej5.LN_bo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/622 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: If interested, please reply directly to message author. (month-old message, not totally sure they still are available) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 20:11:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael E Hughes To: billb@eskimo.com Subject: FS: Personal Schumann Resonance device kits A limited supply of GeoSync personal schumann resonance devices are available as: 1. Printed circuit board -$5.00 2. PCB and components - $15.00 3. PCB, components, and case - $20.00 These are left over from a company that folded a couple a years ago and just gathering dust in my warehouse. They include diagrams and schematics on how its put together. I'm not making any money on these, just trying to recoup my costs... no personal checks please, just money orders or CODs e-mail orionchm@sure.net or mail to mike hughes POBox 18792 Anaheim, CA 92807 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Nov 24 00:45:05 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id AAA22821; Sun, 24 Nov 1996 00:35:22 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 00:35:22 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <32980969.40B2@plix.com> Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 00:38:01 -0800 From: redorman@plix.com (Dorman, Robert ) Reply-To: redorman@plix.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: aerogel critters References: <961123134447_1420727803@emout16.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"HWBOP1.0.Ma5.7Z0co"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/623 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: A RMCarrell@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 96-11-23 11:15:40 EST, Bill Beaty wrote: > > << Subj: aerogel critters > > > Aha, carbon aerogel DOES exist. It even originates from a classified > military project. Apparently they use it to make ultracapacitors for > energy storage for god knows what kinds of weapons. The surface area of a > chunk of carbon aerogel is enormous, so if you can figure out a way to use > it as a capacitor plate, you can pack immense capacitor values into tiny > volumes. > >> > > Do you supposed this is the basis of the Takahashi supercapacitors, > reportedly 20 farads @ 25 volts in one cubic centimenter? > > Mike Carrell I dont understand how a porous substance (conducting) is going to give you a better capacitor. You need two parallel conducting plates, flat or rolled, separated by a dialectric. Even if this porous carbon could serve as one plate, and has such a fantastic surface area, how are you going to get the second plate parallel to all the nooks and crannies and holes in the porous first plate? And then you've got the dielectric to worry about, too! And, with such an incredibly small pore size, even if you could magically merge two blocks of the stuff, with dielectric and all, your punch through voltage would have to be extremely small; probably a small fraction of a volt. --Bob From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Nov 24 01:34:40 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id BAA15343; Sun, 24 Nov 1996 01:26:19 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 01:26:19 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 01:26:13 -0800 (PST) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: aerogel critters In-Reply-To: <32980969.40B2@plix.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"cG8Gw2.0.al3.vI1co"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/624 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Sun, 24 Nov 1996, Dorman, Robert wrote: > I dont understand how a porous substance (conducting) is going to give > you a better capacitor. You need two parallel conducting plates, flat or > rolled, separated by a dialectric. Even if this porous carbon could > serve as one plate, and has such a fantastic surface area, how are you > going to get the second plate parallel to all the nooks and crannies and > holes in the porous first plate? This is a good question, and whoever invented this type of capacitor made an end run around the idea because of how the effect is created. If you dunk a couple of metal plates in water, the water molecules all bind to its surface. All the positive ends are attracted to the negative electron sea of the metal. This leaves the positive ends of the water molecules pointed outwards, which attracts another layer of water molecules. The whole effect is called the Helmholtz Double Layer. I think it's also called "solvation layers." The layer of oriented water is weird. It's like Polywater, or some sort of two-dimensional ice. It behaves as an insulator. Since this insulating layer is only a few molecules thick, the capacitor it forms will have enormous value. If acid or salt is added to the water, the bulk volume of water will be conductive, yet the Double Layer will still be an insulator. So, if you stick a couple of plates into weak acid solution, you form two large value capacitors in series. But if you connect a power supply to this "capacitor", won't current continuously flow in the conductive water (and H2 and O2 bubbles start rising, etc.?) Yes, but only if the voltage is higher than a volt or so. Below about a volt, no current flows except that due to the charge/discharge of the capacitor effect. The capacitance can be increased by roughening the metal surface to give larger area. The Double Layer is so thin that it follows the contour of all but the smallest details. If a block of water-soaked carbon is used instead of the metal plate, the large value of capacitance becomes REALLY large. A piece of carbon the size of a quarter gives many farads capacitance. Of course any capacitor you build will actually have two capacitors in series, one capacitor for each electrode, and the acid solution acting as the "wire" which joins them. And if you want a 5v capacitor, you'll have to stack a bunch of entire capacitance devices in series. I took apart a 1.0 Farad 5v charcoal supercapacitor. It contained eight sealed disk elements in a stack, with each disk composed of two acid-soaked carbon disks and a porus plastic sheet between them. A high-voltage discharge capacitor would need thousands of individual carbon capacitors stacked. Now the carbon aerogel ultracapacitors I have no idea about. Maybe they are actually water-gel, not air. But some articles talk about "solid electrolyte". .....................uuuu / oo \ uuuu........,............................. William Beaty voice:206-781-3320 bbs:206-789-0775 cserv:71241,3623 EE/Programmer/Science exhibit designer http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/ Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com SCIENCE HOBBYIST web page From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Nov 24 08:52:10 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id IAA21178; Sun, 24 Nov 1996 08:39:56 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 08:39:56 -0800 (PST) From: RMCarrell@aol.com Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 11:39:41 -0500 Message-ID: <961124113940_1218178246@emout05.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: aerogel critters Resent-Message-ID: <"Zd3y7.0.pA5.Qf7co"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/625 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: In a message dated 96-11-24 03:59:03 EST, Bob wrote << I dont understand how a porous substance (conducting) is going to give you a better capacitor. You need two parallel conducting plates, flat or rolled, separated by a dialectric.>> No you don't. That is an idealized model of a capacitor, and the way most commercial foil capcitors are made. Tantalum capcitors, commonly available, have a very high capacitace per unit volume. They are built around a porous block of sintered tantalum particles, having a very high internal surface area. Intital electrolysis with the electrolyte which permeates the block creates a thin film, probably tantalum oxide, on the internal surface of the block. Aluminum foil electrolytics are formed in the same manner. The oxide film can be very thin, trading high capacitance for a low breakdown voltage. This is also why electrolytics are polarized; if current is forced through in the wrong direction, it destroys the oxide layer. The "plates" are the tantalum sponge and the conductive electrolyte, separated by the thin chemically generated oxide layer. Electrons will find their way through the electrolyte with no problem. The capacitance of a capacitor is proportional to the area of the plates and inversely with the distance between then, multiplied by the dielectric constant of the intervening dielectric. The problem with the carbon aerogel is how do you form a dielectric insulating layer on the surface of the aerogel, how do you make contact with the strand of atoms, and what would the internal resistance of all those ultrafine particles be, with clumps of carbon atoms hanging on to each other by their tiny fingernails? Mike Carrell From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Nov 24 11:01:53 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id LAA28103; Sun, 24 Nov 1996 11:00:38 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 11:00:38 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 18:38:47 +0000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Chris Morriss Subject: Re: aerogel critters In-Reply-To: <32980969.40B2@plix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 1.11 <5asEvod5709R6741eo9wbh3aEa> Resent-Message-ID: <"8RgGd1.0._s6.Kj9co"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/626 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: In message <32980969.40B2@plix.com>, redorman@plix.com writes Previous message deleted. > >I dont understand how a porous substance (conducting) is going to give >you a better capacitor. You need two parallel conducting plates, flat or >rolled, separated by a dialectric. Even if this porous carbon could >serve as one plate, and has such a fantastic surface area, how are you >going to get the second plate parallel to all the nooks and crannies and >holes in the porous first plate? And then you've got the dielectric to >worry about, too! And, with such an incredibly small pore size, even if >you could magically merge two blocks of the stuff, with dielectric and >all, your punch through voltage would have to be extremely small; >probably a small fraction of a volt. >--Bob > Simple. Use it immersed in an electrolyte as one electrode of an electrolytic capacitor. The dielectric is a thin layer formed between the conductive liquid electrolyte and the conductive porous carbon aerogel. -- Chris Morriss From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Nov 24 13:37:34 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id NAA03228; Sun, 24 Nov 1996 13:22:18 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 13:22:18 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 13:19:01 -0800 (PST) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Minto wheel Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"06oOv2.0.Ko.7oBco"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/627 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 20:58:48 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Whitney To: billb@eskimo.com Subject: Comments from Weird Science --- comments --- Minto wheel caught my attention. I saw the article in 76, and built one for my senior project as a mechanical engineer in 1977. Mine worked, but had lots of opportunity for improvement. Too much thermal mass in my steel tanks, only need to vaporize a small amount of Freon to get the rest displaced. Like your page(s)! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Nov 24 16:57:35 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id QAA24612; Sun, 24 Nov 1996 16:55:52 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 16:55:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 16:55:50 -0800 (PST) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: tt brown Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"jcHkt1.0.O06.MwEco"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/628 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 12:39:25 -0800 From: Jay Dillon Subject: Entry to Guestbook ------------------------------------------------------ Interested in T.T. Brown and other experimenters who claimed to have found a propulsive or antigravity effect with electrostatics. Seems simple enough to verify or disprove. Is anyone doing this? Jay Dillon Boulder, CO USA - Sunday, November 24, 1996 at 12:39:24 (PST) ------------------------------------------------------ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Nov 24 20:18:09 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id UAA08519; Sun, 24 Nov 1996 20:13:52 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 20:13:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <329152FF.1464@keelynet.com> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 22:26:07 -0800 From: Jerry Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Greetings Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"IQDkJ2.0._42._pHco"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/629 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi Folks! Finally decided to check out Bill's famous freenrg list....some good stuff scattered in the archives for sure. Will post some additional info on the fellow in Louisiana with the modified Peregrinus magnetic wheel that produces a good degree of torque....a friend says the inventor (Richard White) uses a small electric motor to get the wheel over the hump as it rotates in a vertical plane. As to Finsrud, last I heard from Frode Olsen, it was still running after at least 4 months and the inventor is working on a higher torque version that is hoped will do actual work... -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://www.keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / KeelyNet BBS (214) 324-3501 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite, Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Nov 25 07:51:25 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id HAA28196; Mon, 25 Nov 1996 07:45:10 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 07:45:10 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 07:45:12 -0800 (PST) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: The Resonant Gravity Field Coil (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"5RBA51.0.Lu6.2yRco"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/630 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 15:41:18 +0100 From: Javna sifra To: billb@eskimo.com Subject: The Resonant Gravity Field Coil Dear Mr. Beaty I have build the Resonant Gravity Field Coil, according to the plans listed in the file gravity3.asc. Insofar I haven't found any experimental evidence, that the device actually produces gravity. I am planning to conduct further experimentation. I have also constructed a kind of a mathematical theory. If You are interested in that theory, I can mail it to You on Your request. With admiration, Matej Horvat From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Nov 25 08:01:14 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id HAA01397; Mon, 25 Nov 1996 07:56:53 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 07:56:53 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 07:56:54 -0800 (PST) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: DIAMAGNETIC MATERIAL In-Reply-To: <19961117034422562.AAA134@breakwater.tsrcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"8enFp.0.gL.37Sco"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/631 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Sat, 16 Nov 1996, James Hartman wrote: > All, > > I'm seeking a diamagnetic chart, and a source for free or low cost > diamagnetic material for testing. If you know of a source for any or both I > would like to know. The CRC handbook probably has a listing of diamagnetism. Bismuth is the most diamagnetic metal. See www.keelynet.com page about ROswell fragment bismuth/magnesium antigravity material. .....................uuuu / oo \ uuuu........,............................. William Beaty voice:206-781-3320 bbs:206-789-0775 cserv:71241,3623 EE/Programmer/Science exhibit designer http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/ Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com SCIENCE HOBBYIST web page From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Nov 25 08:06:29 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id IAA02915; Mon, 25 Nov 1996 08:02:28 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 08:02:28 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 08:02:32 -0800 (PST) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Minto's Solar Wheel (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"7zJDI3.0.Oj.ICSco"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/632 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 01:28:01 -0800 From: Loren To: billb@eskimo.com Subject: Minto's Solar Wheel Bill Has anyone here built Wally Minto's Wonder Wheel (solar motor), his propane powered wheel. I went to the library and look it up in Popular Science 1976 to see the pictures. I showed to a few friends, an it looked like something we could do easily. We figured it would not of been in Popular Science Magazine if it did not work. What does your free energy group have to say on it. Especially since it been over 30 years since it was invented, so what is new with it? We also thought about burying a heat collector unit underground to run it during the winter. Since the earth's temp is stable underground and warmer in the winter. That way it could run year round producing electric power with little maintence. Anybody know anything about this device or built one? Thanks Monroe From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Nov 25 09:10:35 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id JAA21283; Mon, 25 Nov 1996 09:09:21 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 09:09:21 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 09:08:56 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199611251708.JAA08208@claim.goldrush.com> X-Sender: crosiar@GOLDRUSH.COM X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: wesly crosiar Subject: Re: Minto's Solar Wheel (fwd) Resent-Message-ID: <"AYf-73.0.PC5._ATco"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/633 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 08:02 AM 11/25/96 -0800, you wrote: > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 01:28:01 -0800 >From: Loren >To: billb@eskimo.com >Subject: Minto's Solar Wheel > >Bill > Has anyone here built Wally Minto's Wonder Wheel (solar motor), his >propane powered wheel. I went to the library and look it up in Popular >Science 1976 to see the pictures. I showed to a few friends, an it >looked like something we could do easily. We figured it would not of >been in Popular Science Magazine if it did not work. What does your free >energy group have to say on it. Especially since it been over 30 years >since it was invented, so what is new with it? We also thought about >burying a heat collector unit underground to run it during the winter. >Since the earth's temp is stable underground and warmer in the winter. >That way it could run year round producing electric power with little >maintence. Anybody know anything about this device or built one? > > Monroe: The MOTHER EARTH NEWS magazine built one and tested it, you can find it in the mother earth news index at the library. I have played with one and I found that the larger diameter the slower it goes. This is because the larger diameter you build it, the higher the refrigerant has to be lifted. The way to achieve more power is to build a unit of smaller diameter with more surface area to collect heat, [FATTER CYLINDERS]. Horsepower is figured like this. 1. [radius times foot pounds= torque] 2. [torque times rpm divided by 5250= horsepower. 3. The fastest you can expect a minto wheel to turn is one RPM 4. Using this formula the minto wheel produces mouse power.[not much power] 5. WOULD BE GOOD TO PUMP WATER USING A JACK PUMP. > > > crosiar@GOLDRUSH.COM THANKS WES WESLEY CROSIAR PO BOX 268 SAN ANDREAS, CA. 95249 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Nov 26 09:31:07 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id JAA06160; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 09:29:25 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 09:29:25 -0800 (PST) X-Intended-For: Message-Id: <199611261729.JAA22578@big.aa.net> X-Sender: mwm@aa.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 09:29:00 +0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Michael Mandeville Subject: Re: aerogel critters Resent-Message-ID: <"d4lSN2.0.1W1.pZoco"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/634 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 01:44 PM 11/23/96 -0500, you wrote: >In a message dated 96-11-23 11:15:40 EST, Bill Beaty wrote: > ><< Subj: aerogel critters > > > Aha, carbon aerogel DOES exist. It even originates from a classified > military project. Apparently they use it to make ultracapacitors for > energy storage for god knows what kinds of weapons. The surface area of a > chunk of carbon aerogel is enormous, so if you can figure out a way to use > it as a capacitor plate, you can pack immense capacitor values into tiny > volumes. > >> > >Do you supposed this is the basis of the Takahashi supercapacitors, >reportedly 20 farads @ 25 volts in one cubic centimenter? > >Mike Carrell > > awfully good guess is my guess ____________________________________ MetaSyn Media, electronic publishing Michael Mandeville, publisher mwm@aa.net http://www.aa.net/~mwm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Nov 26 11:09:24 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id KAA21354; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 10:28:42 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 10:28:42 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <329B376A.A3B@plix.com> Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 10:31:06 -0800 From: redorman@plix.com (Dorman, Robert ) Reply-To: redorman@plix.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: aerogel critters References: <199611261729.JAA22578@big.aa.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"68e4f1.0.YD5.LRpco"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/635 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > > > >Do you supposed this is the basis of the Takahashi supercapacitors, > >reportedly 20 farads @ 25 volts in one cubic centimenter? > > > >Mike Carrell > > Where does one obtain Takahashi supercapacitors? --Bob From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Nov 26 22:22:44 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id WAA18444; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 22:21:02 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 22:21:02 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 02:19:38 -0500 Message-Id: <199611270719.CAA09373@ionline.net> X-Sender: craig@ionline.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: craig Subject: Re: DIAMAGNETIC MATERIAL Resent-Message-ID: <"z7O2Y2.0.5W4.Dtzco"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/639 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 07:56 AM 11/25/96 -0800, you wrote: >On Sat, 16 Nov 1996, James Hartman wrote: > >> All, >> >> I'm seeking a diamagnetic chart, and a source for free or low cost >> diamagnetic material for testing. If you know of a source for any or both I >> would like to know. 2 cents worth : :) A good source for hard to find compounds, chemicals, etc. is Sigma Chemical Company, call for free catalogues: USA/Canada Phone : 1-800-336-9719 and Aldrich Chemicals USA/Canada Phone : 1-800-558-9160 cheerios, craig From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 27 01:09:29 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id BAA16994; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 01:03:57 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 01:03:57 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: jameshartman@michigan.tsrcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 03:07:58 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: jameshartman@tsrcom.com (James Hartman) Subject: Re: DIAMAGNETIC MATERIAL Message-ID: <19961127090331484.AAA98@schooner.tsrcom.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"Mse0B.0.Q94.yF0do"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/640 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Craig, Thanks you for your help, I'll call them Friday. ---James From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 27 01:30:15 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id LAA02916; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 11:22:39 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 11:22:39 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199611261921.OAA007.70@cougar.ssi.stratus.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 26 Nov 96 14:20:16 +0000 From: "Charlie Hodgson" To: "William Beaty" , freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: FS: Personal Schumann Resonance device kits (fwd) X-Mailer: Ultimedia Mail/2 Lite, IBM T. J. Watson Research Center Content-ID: <267_109_4_849036016> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"XjtwQ2.0.Nj.oDqco"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/637 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Excuse my ignorance, but what is 'Schuman Resonance'?? Charlie //--- forwarded letter ------------------------------------------------------- > A limited supply of GeoSync personal schumann resonance devices are > available as: From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 27 01:45:53 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id MAA10437; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 12:04:07 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 12:04:07 -0800 (PST) Date: 26 Nov 96 14:55:18 EST From: "Glenn F. Hinton" <103510.1772@compuserve.com> To: list owner Subject: Meyer Hydrogen Gen Message-ID: <961126195518_103510.1772_IHL147-1@CompuServe.COM> Resent-Message-ID: <"MLKt22.0.iY2.1qqco"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/638 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: This is probably an old topic but has anyone duplicated Stanley Meyers hydrogen generator? Are his generators for sale? I assume that they would be in as far as he has multiple patents on them. (reason most often given for not selling or even discussing new technology) I would like to attempt to build one if plans or schematics are available. Does anyone know if the embrittlement problem inherent with hydrogen useage has been solved?? I heard something about water injection that was supposed to solve this but I don't know if it works..... Thanks, Glenn Hinton From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 27 02:20:01 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id LAA02583; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 11:20:47 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 11:20:47 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199611261919.OAA007.67@cougar.ssi.stratus.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 26 Nov 96 14:18:01 +0000 From: "Charlie Hodgson" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Free-energy, Golden Ratio and harmony X-Mailer: Ultimedia Mail/2 Lite, IBM T. J. Watson Research Center Content-ID: <267_109_4_849035881> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"kO04D1.0.8e.4Cqco"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/636 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: What would we expect to see? //--- forwarded letter ------------------------------------------------------- > Why don't you try with just two plain cd-rom music disks, > one covered with thin aluminium foil and the other with > copper foil. Place them face to face (e=v/l) and force them > to spin in opposite directions. Two antennas (ordinary wire) > touch the spining CDs so that the covered faces are in contact > with the anntenna wires. You may guess the length of the antennas. > Watch out..................... From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 27 04:55:12 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id EAA11043; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 04:53:32 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 04:53:32 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 07:24:52 -0600 To: newman-l@emachine.com (Newman-l) From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: Happy Thanksgiving, Everyone! Resent-Message-ID: <"lRHhd2.0.Ri2.Ad3do"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/641 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: To Commemorate this Thanksgiving Day I thought it might be appropriate to offer a selection from the writings of Robert G. Ingersoll...... [I usually read excerpts from this and his other writings at the Thanksgiving dinner table.] A THANKSGIVING 'SERMON' MANY ages ago our fathers were living in dens and caves. Their bodies, their low foreheads, were covered with hair. They were eating berries, roots, bark and vermin. They were fond of snakes and raw fish. They discovered fire and, probably by accident, learned how to cause it by friction. They found how to warm themselves --- to fight the frost and storm. They fashioned clubs and rude weapons of stone with which they killed the larger beasts and now and then each other. Slowly, painfully, almost imperceptibly they advanced. They crawled and stumbled, staggered and struggled toward the light. To them the world was unknown. On every hand was the mysterious, the sinister, the hurtful. The forests were filled with monsters, and the darkness was crowded with ghosts, devils, and fiendish gods. These poor wretches were the slaves of fear, the sport of dreams. Now and then, one rose a little above his fellows -- used his senses -- the little reason that he had -- found something new -- some better way. Then the people killed him and afterward knelt with reverence at his grave. Then another thinker gave his thought -- was murdered -- another tomb became sacred -- another step was taken in advance. And so through countless years of ignorance and cruelty -- of thought and crime -- of murder and worship, of heroism, suffering, and self-denial, the race has reached the heights where now we stand. Looking back over the long and devious roads that lie between the barbarism of the past and the civilization of to-day, thinking of the centuries that rolled like waves between these distant shores, we can form some idea of what our fathers suffered -- of the mistakes they made -- some idea of their ignorance, their stupidity -- and some idea of their sense, their goodness, their heroism. It is a long road from the savage to the scientist -- from a den to a mansion -- from leaves to clothes -- from a flickering rush to the arc-light -- from a hammer of stone to the modern mill -- a long distance from the pipe of Pan to the violin -- to the orchestra -- from a floating log to the steamship -- from a sickle to a reaper -- from a hand loom to a Jacquard, a Jacquard that weaves fair forms and wondrous flowers beyond Arachne's utmost dream -- from a few hieroglyphics on the skins of beasts, on bricks of clay -- to a printing press, to a library -- a long distance from the messenger, traveling on foot, to the electric spark -- from knives and tools of stone to those of steel -- a long distance from sand to telescopes -- from echo to the phonograph -- a long way from the trumpet to the telephone -- from the dried sinews of beasts to the cables of steel -- from the oar to the propeller -- a long distance from slavery to freedom -- from appearance to fact -- from fear to reason. And yet this distance has been traveled by the human race. Whom, what, should we thank? ...Knowing something of the history of man --- here on this day that has been set apart for thanksgiving, I most reverently thank the good men, the good women of the past, I thank the kind fathers, the loving mothers of the savage days. I thank the father who spoke the first gentle word, the mother who first smiled upon her babe. I thank the first true friend. I thank the savages who hunted and fished that they and their babes might live. I thank those who cultivated the ground and changed the forests into farms -- those who built rude homes and watched the faces of their happy children in the glow of fireside flames -- those who domesticated horses, cattle and sheep -- those who invented wheels and looms and taught us to spin and weave -- those who by cultivation changed wild grasses into wheat and corn, changed bitter things to fruit, and worthless weeds to flowers, that sowed within our souls the seeds of art. I thank the poets of the dawn -- the tellers of legends -- the makers of myths -- the singers of joy and grief, of hope and love. I thank the artists who chiseled forms in stone and wrought with light and shade the face of man. I thank the philosophers, the thinkers, who taught us how to use our minds in the great search for truth. I thank the astronomers who explored the heavens, told us the secrets of the stars, the glories of the constellations -- the geologists who found the story of the world in fossil forms, in memoranda kept in ancient rocks, in lines written by waves, by frost and fire -- the anatomists who sought in muscle, nerve and bone for all the mysteries of life -- the chemists who unraveled Nature's work that they might learn her art.... I thank the great inventors -- those who gave us movable type and the press, by means of which great thoughts and all discovered facts are made immortal -- the inventors of engines, of the great ships, of the railways, the cables and telegraphs. I thank the great mechanics, the workers in iron and steel, in wood and stone. I thank the inventors and makers of the numberless things of use and luxury. I thank the industrious men, the loving mothers, the useful women. They are the benefactors of our race. I thank the honest men and women who have expressed their sincere thoughts, who have been true to themselves and have preserved the veracity of their souls. I thank the thinkers of Greece and Rome, Zeno and Epicurus, Cicero and Lucretius. I thank Bruno, the bravest, and Spinoza, the subtlest of men. I thank Voltaire, whose thought lighted a flame in the brain of man, unlocked the doors of superstition's cells and gave liberty to many millions of his fellow-men. Voltaire -- a name that sheds light. Voltaire -- a star that superstition's darkness cannot quench. I thank the great poets -- the dramatists. I thank Homer and Aeschylus, and I thank Shakespeare above them all. I thank Burns for the heart-throbs he changed into songs, for his lyrics of flame. I thank Shelley for this Skylark, Keats for his Grecian Urn and Byron for his Prisoner of Chillon. I thank the great novelists. I thank the great sculptors. I thank the unknown man who moulded and chiseled the Venus de Milo. I thank the great painters. I thank Rembrandt and Corot. I thank all who have adorned, enriched and ennobled life -- all who have created the great, the noble, the heroic and artistic ideals. I thank the statesmen who have preserved the rights of man. I thank Thomas Paine whose genius sowed the seeds of independence in the hearts of '76. I thank the founders, the defenders, the saviors of the Republic. I thank Ericsson, the greatest mechanic of his century, for the monitor. I thank Lincoln for the Proclamation. I thank them all -- the living and the dead. I thank the great scientists -- those who have reached the foundation, the bed-rock -- who have built upon facts. The scientists never persecuted, never imprisoned their fellow-men. They forged no chains, built no dungeons, erected no scaffolds -- tore no flesh with red hot pincers -- dislocated no joints on racks -- crushed no bones in iron boots -- extinguished no eyes -- tore out no tongues and lighted no fagots. They were only intelligent and honest men. They did not appeal to force or fear. They did not regard men as slaves to be ruled by torture, by lash and chain, nor as children to be cheated with illusions, rocked in the cradle of an idiot creed and soothed by a lullaby of lies. They did not wound -- they healed. They did not kill -- they lengthened life. They did not enslave -- they broke the chains and made men free. They sowed the seeds of knowledge, and many millions have reaped, are reaping, and will reap, the harvest of joy. I thank Humboldt and Helmholtz and Haeckel and Buchner. I thank Lamarck and Darwin -- Darwin who revolutionized the thought of the intellectual world. I thank Huxley and Spencer. I thank the scientists one and all. I thank the heroes, the destroyers of prejudice and fear -- the dethroners of savage gods -- the extinguishers of hate's eternal fire -- the heroes, the breakers of chains -- the heroes who fought and fell on countless fields -- the heroes whose dungeons became shrines -- the heroes whose blood made scaffolds sacred -- the heroes, the apostles of reason, the disciples of truth, the soldiers of freedom -- the heroes who held high the holy torch and filled the world with light. With all my heart I thank them all. --- ROBERT G INGERSOLL, 1897 [Excerpted from Volume IV of the 12-Volume Dresden Edition of Robert Ingersoll's writings, The Dresden Publishing Company, New York, 1902.] ................................ While this Thanksgiving Day is, in a sense, 'native' to America, I invite people throughout the world to join Americans in paying gratitude to those antecedents mentioned above and to all others who by their virtuous actions and initiatives are also worthy of our thanks in all countries around the Earth. Such individual initiatives and volitional creativity will assist in bringing forth the alternative technologies (energy/social applications) which will benefit the People inhabiting our small but beautiful planet. Years ago, I once heard this holiday -- Thanksgiving Day -- operationally described by astrophysicist Dr. Andrew J. Galambos as the "Victory of Free Enterprise Over Socialism Day." As he explained ... In those early days of the Pilgrims' 1620 venture upon the North American continent, the colonists at first agreed that the food from the crops produced by individual members of the group would be deposited into a communal storage facility to by shared by all on a need basis. This was perhaps the first European attempt at socialism on the east coast of North America. [Although it may have been practiced to a lesser extent in Jamestown a few years earlier.] For the new colony, the results of trying socialism were so dismal that within a short period of time the colonists were starving and dying. Governor Bradford was so distraught by these turn of events that he essentially threw up his hands in frustration, the communal idea was dismissed, and he basically told everyone: "I don't know what to do. Fend for yourself. You're on your own!" That's all he had to do. As a result, the industrious colonists under free enterprise and individual initiative had such a bountiful harvest that they had enough food available to "invite the Indians over for dinner" --- and this became our first Thanksgiving. And on this day, my personal thanks to one of those Pilgrim colonists who was my multi-great-grandfather -- George Soule -- who came over on the Mayflower as an indentured servant from England, worked himself out of servitude, and started quite a family. Thanks 'grandpa' George for having the courage to began life again in a new land!!! And to all the colonists and immigrants who have come to America in search of personal happiness and a better life: I'm thankful they gave (the pursuit of) freedom a try. HAPPY THANKSGIVING! Evan Soule' Director of Information NEWMAN ENERGY PRODUCTS josephnewman@earthlink.net http://www.infochase.com/us/master/index.html A recommended reading list for 1997: 1) The Age of Reason, by Thomas Paine 2) The Return of Common Sense by Eric Szuter* 3) The Discovery of Freedom, by Rose Wilder Lane 4) Shackleton's Boat Journey by F.A. Worsley 5) Prodigal Genius: The Life of Nikola Tesla by John O'Neill** 6) Scipio Africanus: A Greater Than Napoleon by Liddell Hart 7) The Valor of Ignorance by Homer Lea 8) The Law by Frederick Bastiat*** 9) Economics in One Easy Lesson by Henry Hazlitt*** 10) Human Action by Ludwig Von Mises*** 11) To Spit Against the Wind by Benjamin Levin 12) The Philosophy of Physical Science by Arthur Eddington *New book now available by contacting EricSzuter@aol.com for free information. **Available via the International Tesla Society, Colorado Springs ***Available via the Foundation for Economic Education, Irvington-on-Hudson, NY Also from Eric Szuter: Access information on his just-published Special Report "Profit from My Loss -- What I Learned about the CAUSE of CANCER during My Son's Struggle with Leukemia" via my auto-responder: michael@infoback.net (free information will be emailed to you automatically in less than a minute). From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 27 11:14:26 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id KAA12953; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 10:25:49 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 10:25:49 -0800 (PST) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Message-Id: Organization: Private person From: "Alexander V. Frolov" Date: Sat, 28 Dec 96 21:39:18 +0300 X-Mailer: BML [MS/DOS Beauty Mail v1.36h] Subject: conference in russian parlament on free energy Lines: 18 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"cz4Kz.0.CA3.gU8do"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/642 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Dear Sirs, We have some news: Some people in Moscow try to organize the conference in State Duma (Parlament or Congress) of Russia to rise the question about perpetuum mobile (free energy) research and to make the question to be open for patent process, innovation and application for industry. If you are interesting to take part in this event, please, call in Moscow by phone 095-2998345 Mr. Igor Tsarev. Also Mr. Chernobrov, inventor of time machine will take part in this event. I don't know which political party is connected with these people but I hope to see the results of this conference in our congress hall. Best regards, Alexander V. Frolov From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 27 11:45:16 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id LAA25441; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 11:25:20 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 11:25:20 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: bailey@best.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 11:11:04 -0800 To: neotech@xbn.shore.net, freenrg-l@eskimo.com, iufo@alterzone.com From: pgb@padrak.com (Patrick Bailey) Subject: INE Site Has Been Updated Resent-Message-ID: <"nxz1p1.0.HD6.RM9do"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/643 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Happy Thanksgiving! - It should be observed Every Day... Here is a partial past history. The full history is on the site: The Institute for New Energy Web Site has been updated at: http://www.padrak.com/ine/ ------------- ------------------------------------------------------------ Date Included Additions, Expansions, or Revisions ------------- ------------------------------------------------------------ Nov. 27, 1996 Revised: Happy Thanksgiving! Websites, Authors, Subjects, Information Sources. Site Counter = 42,925. Nov. 23, 1996 Subitted the INE site to all but one of the various and neat search engines, web site directorories, and yellow pages at: http://free.submit-it.com/submit.htm. Added: U.S. Patent Law: Title 35, Part II, Chapter 17, Sections 181-188 - The TEXT! The Influence of Vedic Philosophy On Nikola Tesla's Understanding of Free Energy - Paper, by Toby Grotz Updated: Websites, CCI Awards Pages and Links Site Counter = 41,895. Nov. 19, 1996 Added: NEN TOC Vol. 4, No. 7, November 1996. Nobel Prize Nominations For Energy Anomalous Effects in Deuterated Systems (US Navy) Towards Zero Emissions and Sustainable Transport (Meyer) Anti-Gravity Machine (Podkletnov) Electric Propulsion Patents, 1928-1995 Added: Journal of New Energy TOC and Information Pages Journal of New Energy, V1, N1, January 1996 Journal of New Energy, V1, N2, Summer 1996 Updated: Websites, Authors, Subjects, Announcements, Commercial Sources and Information Sources pages. Site Counter = 40,535. Nov. 15, 1996 Added: Two new papers by Edward Lewis: "Recent Experiments That Produced Fundamental Anomalies For Novel Hypotheses Concerning the Production of Elements, Superconductivity, and Anomalous Radiation" "The Periodic Production of Rationalized Phenomena and the Past Periodic Depressions" HTML tags for web search engines. Updated: Four papers by Edward Lewis, includes the addition of more text and the addition some pictures: "Concerning Production of Elements and Plasmoids" "Tornadoes and Ball Lightning" "Gorgons, Tornadoes, and Plasmoid Phenomena" "Considerations about Plasmoid Phenomena and Superconductivity Phenomena," Websites, Authors, Subjects Files. Commercial Sources File. Site Counter = 39,471. Nov. 7, 1996 Added: CCI Link of the Week Award. Plasma-Injected Transmutation - Paper Site Counter = 37,322. Dr. Patrick G. Bailey President, Institute for New Energy http://www.padrak.com/ine/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 27 13:21:23 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id MAA15155; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 12:56:15 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 12:56:15 -0800 (PST) From: RoshiCorp@ROSHI.com (Chuck Davis) Date: 27 Nov 96 11:41:41 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: (by: Alexander V. Frolov ) Message-ID: Subject: Re: conference in russian parlament on free energy Organization: ROSHI Corporation X-Mailer: MiniMail 1.4b (2.7.96) (c) 1996 by Pelle Claesson of TheEnd Amiga (http://www.lls.se/~volley) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <"7fREb3.0.Zi3.fhAdo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/644 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On 28 Dec 96 21:39 +0300 (+1100), Alexander V. Frolov wrote to me: > Dear Sirs, > We have some news: Some people in Moscow try to organize the > conference in State Duma (Parlament or Congress) of Russia to rise > the question about perpetuum mobile (free energy) research and to make > the question to be open for patent process, innovation and application > for industry. > If you are interesting to take part in this event, please, call in Moscow > by phone 095-2998345 Mr. Igor Tsarev. Also Mr. Chernobrov, inventor of > time machine will take part in this event. I don't know which political > party is connected with these people but I hope to see the results of thi= s > conference in our congress hall. > Best regards, > Alexander V. Frolov They are trying to get everybody to expose themselves so that they can be sent to free energy prison ;^) -- .-. .-. / \ .-. .-. / \ / \ / \ .-. _ .-. / \ / \ -/--Chuck Davis -------\-----/---\---/-\---/---\-----/-----\-------/-------= \-- RoshiCorp@ROSHI.com \ / \_/ `-' \ / \ / \ / `-' `-' \ / `-' `-' Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre mind= s. -Albert Einstein- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 27 20:11:59 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id UAA18864; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 20:09:07 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 20:09:07 -0800 (PST) From: ascot@mailhost.world.net Date: Thu, 28 Nov 96 15:07:59 PST Subject: RE: Meyer Hydrogen Gen To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 4.6.3, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"1exa62.0.bc4.T1Hdo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/645 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Dear Glenn, Yes, you are quite right in assuming that this is an old topic and I think you're going to have to get to the back of the queue when it comes to seeing irrefutable proof that Meyer has produced this hydrogen cell of his. The unfortunate thing is that no one on this list has been able to furbish information as to whether Meyer is an out and out fraud or as to whether he is really on to something that works. (The last thread reported that Meyer had been arrested on fraud charges !!) I have been following various posts about Meyer and they all seem to drizzle away when it comes to the " .. and I can show you a working model of his invention ..." stage. The bottom line is, although we would dearly love this thing to work, (and believe me I'd buy one tomorrow if I could get one), I don't think that Meyer has produced anything. (or by default we'd all have one in the garden by now !) I whole heartedly and willingly invite the rest of the list to contribute to this debate? but I don't think there is any more left to say about Meyer. If anyone can furbish completed info/diagrams/reproducible effects I'd be MORE THAN HAPPY to have a go at reproducing them. Any offers ?????? Best regards, Ascot :) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 27 20:14:41 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id UAA19973; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 20:13:58 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 20:13:58 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 20:13:29 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199611280413.UAA09622@sure.net> X-Sender: orionchm@sure.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Michael E Hughes Subject: Re: FS: Personal Schumann Resonance device kits (fwd) Resent-Message-ID: <"3LS7W1.0.yt4.56Hdo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/646 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 02:20 PM 11/26/96 +0000, you wrote: >Excuse my ignorance, but what is 'Schuman Resonance'?? >Charlie > > >//--- forwarded letter ------------------------------------------------------- >> A limited supply of GeoSync personal schumann resonance devices are >> available as: > Look up W. O. Schumman. It is the resonance frequency of the ionosphere and the earths surface. 7.81 Hz. -mike -------------------------------------------------------------------- email: orionchm@sure.net Visit our web page: http://www.sure.net/~orionchm Call, write or Email us for more information on all our products... OrionChem Products for Hospital, Laboratory and Home 2221 E. Winston Rd #G Anaheim, CA 92806 (714) 991-9432 ------------------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 27 20:42:47 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id UAA25627; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 20:36:30 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 20:36:30 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199611280438.XAA29590@w3.bluegrass.net> From: "Sam Gordon" To: Subject: Re: DIAMAGNETIC MATERIAL Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 23:33:45 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"vymdd1.0.JG6.CRHdo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/647 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: ---------- > From: William Beaty > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: DIAMAGNETIC MATERIAL > Date: Monday, November 25, 1996 10:56 AM > > On Sat, 16 Nov 1996, James Hartman wrote: > > > All, > > > > I'm seeking a diamagnetic chart, and a source for free or low cost > > diamagnetic material for testing. If you know of a source for any or both I > > would like to know. > > The CRC handbook probably has a listing of diamagnetism. Bismuth is the > most diamagnetic metal. See www.keelynet.com page about ROswell fragment > bismuth/magnesium antigravity material. > > .....................uuuu / oo \ uuuu........,............................. > William Beaty voice:206-781-3320 bbs:206-789-0775 cserv:71241,3623 > EE/Programmer/Science exhibit designer http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/ > Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com SCIENCE HOBBYIST web page > > Hello, I have been on this list for quite some time and find it very refreshing to read messages posted by such high caliber well educated people. I unfortunately have not the education most of you have and must make do with what I have. I guess I should get to the point. I have been working on a vaiation rocket for about 5 months. The reason I'm taking so long is I'm having a friend that works at a sheet metal fabrication Co. plasma cutting 15 mill tin sheets for me in the backround I have 200 precut tin sheets, I'm also using crystal clear mylar for the dielectric This is just an update the way it's going it won't be done for some time yet. Now, back to the real reason for this post. I have read the keely artical on the supposed metal from the space ship. I was wandering if a person could electroplate the magnesium, bismuth, zinc in his or her garage.If so what chemicals can one use. I was thinking about building a somewhat similar metal for a test. the finished product layed out like a chip capacitor. Any thoughts?? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Nov 28 00:36:01 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id AAA05170; Thu, 28 Nov 1996 00:35:22 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 00:35:22 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 01:35:14 -0700 Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19961128023819.1ddf9fae@holly.colostate.edu> X-Sender: trex@holly.colostate.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Thomas Rice Subject: RE: Meyer Hydrogen Gen Resent-Message-ID: <"1YhPr3.0.dG1.8xKdo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/648 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Greetings To All, and Happy Thanksgiving, If the complete plans, instructions, diagrams, etc., are produced, or even attempts to reproduce the work, I would like to see a set submitted for indepentant varification at the International Association for New Science, (IANS). I spoke with the research director Joe Maize yesterday about the plans for the new lab setup and ongoing work. I will be relaying a memo from the new director of IANS by this weekend. IANS is also looking a preposals for their new website. I am pushing for these developements as hard as I can. I encourage others to look at becoming involved with IANS in the near future. I believe that the first full conference of the 97 is scheduled in May. I will try to keep us up to date. Best Reguards, Thomas A. Rice At 03:07 PM 11/28/96 PST, you wrote: > >Dear Glenn, > >Yes, you are quite right in assuming that this is an >old topic and I think you're going to have to get to the >back of the queue when it comes to seeing irrefutable proof >that Meyer has produced this hydrogen cell of his. > >The unfortunate thing is that no one on this list has been >able to furbish information as to whether Meyer is an out and >out fraud or as to whether he is really on to something that >works. >(The last thread reported that Meyer had been arrested on fraud >charges !!) > >I have been following various posts about Meyer and they all >seem to drizzle away when it comes to the " .. and I can show >you a working model of his invention ..." stage. > >The bottom line is, although we would dearly love this thing to >work, (and believe me I'd buy one tomorrow if I could get one), >I don't think that Meyer has produced anything. >(or by default we'd all have one in the garden by now !) > >I whole heartedly and willingly invite the rest of the list >to contribute to this debate? but I don't think there is >any more left to say about Meyer. > >If anyone can furbish completed info/diagrams/reproducible effects >I'd be MORE THAN HAPPY to have a go at reproducing them. > >Any offers ?????? > >Best regards, > >Ascot :) > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Nov 28 12:09:51 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id MAA29276; Thu, 28 Nov 1996 12:08:56 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 12:08:56 -0800 (PST) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com References: <9611280837.AA28321@mail.clackesd.k12.or.us> Message-Id: Organization: Private person From: "Alexander V. Frolov" Date: Sun, 29 Dec 96 23:33:15 +0300 X-Mailer: BML [MS/DOS Beauty Mail v1.36h] Subject: Re: RE:electrogravitation by T.Brown and modern space project RUSS Lines: 25 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"S8iJv1.0.K97.M5Vdo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/649 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Answer to David Doty. Dear Sir, I am working on some toy that will demonstrate reactionless motion. It is asymmetry of vibrations produced by electromagnet. When it will ready, I'll let know in freenrg-list. I saw something like it in June 1996 in process of the conference we organized here in St.-Petersburg, Russia. It was demonstrated by 70 y.oldman from Ivanovo, Mr. Boris Shukalov. I'll make modernized version and I am sure that it can fly in final version. Re T.T.Brown's devices I can say that I can explane any question you have if it is connected with Brown's patent. All ideas are clear for me. But I am working at home only and high voltage systems are impossible in my home lab. There was not published something more about "Project RUSS" but I hope to hear about it sometime in future. Best regards, Alexander V. Frolov St.-Petersburg, Russia From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Nov 28 13:53:33 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id NAA14177; Thu, 28 Nov 1996 13:52:05 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 13:52:05 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: Byrun_Fox@pop.mindlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 13:52:11 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Byrun_Fox@mindlink.bc.ca (Byrun Fox) Subject: Re: Free-energy, Golden Ratio and harmony Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: <"ol0NW1.0.QT3.3cWdo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/650 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > >//--- forwarded letter ------------------------------------------------------- >> Why don't you try with just two plain cd-rom music disks, >> one covered with thin aluminium foil and the other with >> copper foil. Place them face to face (e=v/l) and force them >> to spin in opposite directions. Two antennas (ordinary wire) >> touch the spining CDs so that the covered faces are in contact >> with the anntenna wires. You may guess the length of the antennas. >> Watch out..................... > > Could you be a little clearer on your discription. How many RPM. Would you connet one side to ground. Have you every tried it. Thanks kindly, Byrun. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Nov 28 23:41:49 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id XAA12856; Thu, 28 Nov 1996 23:41:11 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 23:41:11 -0800 (PST) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Message-Id: Organization: Private person From: "Alexander V. Frolov" Date: Mon, 30 Dec 96 10:55:31 +0300 X-Mailer: BML [MS/DOS Beauty Mail v1.36h] Subject: June 1996 Proceedings "New IDeas in Natural Sciences", contents Lines: 226 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"uc03F.0.n83.MEfdo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/653 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Dear Sirs, The book "Proceedings of intenational scientific conference "New Ideas in Natural Sciences, St.-Petersburg, Russia, June 1996", English version, is ready for sale. Contents of the book: Contents Foreword 3 1. Contemporary Problems in Physics. Theoretical Investigations. Economic Effects of Space Energy Technologies (SET) on Individuals and Society, Gruber Josef 5 Editorial "On the History of the Event" 14 Magneto-Voltaic Technology, A Solid State Approach for Tapping the Zero-Point Energy Field (ZPE), Zielinsky A. 15 Researches on New Technologies, Address List 34 The Structure of Problems and Misconceptions in Modern Physics. Methods for Solution, Possibilities and Consequences, Smirnov A.P. 35 On Physical Space Structure and New Interaction in Nature, Baurov Yu.A. 45 The Hypothesis and The Equations of The Unified Matter Field, Nassikas A.A. 61 Classical and Modified Electrodynamics, Zhilin P.A. 73 Tetra Space Co-ordinates (A tetrahedron-based system of space co-ordinates), Hasslberger Josef 83 Galilei and Relativity Principle, Chirkov A.G. 87 A New Theory of the Unified Physical Field, Groshev V.L. 91 Physical essence of gravity constant and its consequences, Vasil'ev V.V. 93 The Ether Model as Result of the New Empirical Conception, Mishin A.M. 95 De Broglie Wave Physics, Butusov Kyrill P. 105 Expansion of Bor's Quantum Postulates, Klyushin J.G. 117 The Concept of Mass Process, Frolov A.V. 123 Thermal Electromagnetic Wave Generator, Lebed B.M, Petrov S.A. 135 Saha-Equation-Undeniable Evidence for the Physical Nature of Chemical Bonding, Mueller M. 141 Quantum Electron Hydrodynamics Under Charge Neutralization Conditions, Sanin A.L. 151 Energies, Impulses, and Forces Arising at Moving Electric Charges in Vacuum, Fogel V.A., Shepsenvol M.A. 157 Formula for Relatively Stable Carbon Clusters, Volkov A. 167 On the Anisotropy of Electron, Efimov A.A. 173 Kozyrev-Dirak Emanation Method of Detecting and Interaction With Matter, Shakhparonov I. 175 Non-dissipative Closed Electrical Current Process in Normal-State (Non-superconductive) Electroconductive Media, Turchaninov G.S., Turchaninov I.G. 189 A proposed Experiment of Direct Detecting of The Vector Potential Within Classical Electrodynamics, Onoochin V. 213 Torsion Fields and Their Experimental Manifestations, Akimov A.E., Shipov G.I. 221 A Generalized Formula for the Lorentz Force Density and Maxwell Equations, Klyushin J.G. 251 2. New Energetics. Practical Results. Cold Fusion Research: Models and Potential Benefits, Hurtak J.J., Bailey P.G. 261 Use of Regauging and Multivalved Potentials to Achieve Overunity EM Engines: Concepts and Specific Engine Examples, Bearden T.E. 277 About the Local Tapping of Energy, Galeczki G. and Marquardt P. 299 The Secret of The "Cold Fusion", Kanarev Ph.M. 305 A New Direction In The Energetics, Becklemeshev J.A., Becklemesheva G.J. 311 Microscopic Acceleration Mechanism The Cold Fusion in Deuterated Materials, Chicea D. 315 Free Energy Generation by Water Decomposition in Highly Efficiency Electrolytic Process, Goryachev I.V. 319 A New Beginning for Thermodynamics, Hasslberger J. 325 Thermodynamic Principles and Problems of Self-Organizing in Physical Systems, Berezovsky A. 331 Energy Transformation Dynamics, Mikhailovsky G.A. 349 Mechanisms of Energy Inversion and Self-Organization in Real Systems, Smirnov A.P. and Smirnov A.A. 355 On the Second Beginning of Thermodynamics, Buinov G.N. 359 N.Tesla's Unique Experiments in Colorado, Ignatyev G.F. 365 The Work is Created by Means of Potential Field, Frolov A.V. 371 Thermal Engine With a Single Heat Source, Serogodsky A. 381 3. Gravitation and adjacent technologies Free Fall of Elementary Particles: On Moving Bodies and Their Electromagnetic Forces, Rognerud N. 389 Construction an Engine for Free Space on the Base of a Pondemotor Effect, Ignatyev G.F. 407 Experimental Fundamentals for Determination of the Nature of Gravitation Interaction Carrier, Simakov A. 411 Gravitation Results from Interaction of Substance with Gradient of Ether Density, Shulgin V.G. 415 The Quantum Gravitation, Shpakov P.D. 419 A Gyroscope Video Workshop Set Up to Observe & Determine Mechanical Gyro Properties of Forces, Torques & Motions, McCabe F.J. 421 Rotating Hemisphere: Center of Mass Shift, Jeong E. 429 Diffraction of Gravitational Field, Butusov K.P. 451 About Experimental Proofs of Gravitational Sun to Earth Influence by Screening of the Part of Inflowing Surrounding Space Neutrinos, Vinogradova M.G.,Khod'kov A.E. 457 Gravitational Technology, Uspensky G.R. 461 Possibility for the Existence of Anti-Gravity and the Complete Parity Breaking of Gravity: Evidence from Free-Fall Experiment Using a Spinning Gyro, Hayasaka H., Tanaka H., Hashida T., Chubachi T., Sugiyama T. 467 The Concept of Gravitation, Frolov A.V. 481 The Antigravitation Force in The Balanced Rotating System, Kashuba V. 491 Compression of Standing Waves, Rhythm-dynamics and Third Condition of Rest, Ivanov Yu.N. 495 The Beginning of Experimental Gravitonics, Poliakov S.M. and Poliakov O.S. 529 Principles and Bases of the Support-less Movement and Realisation of it in a Nature, Belostotsky Y.G. 537 The Inertial Propulsion Drives, Shukalov B.D. 545 4. Researches of Space and Time The Initial Principles of N.A.Kozyrev's Causal Mechanics, Shikhobalov L.S. 553 Equivalence of Mass and Time, Abian A. 559 On the Question About Analytical Methods Those Reflect the "Substance-Space-Time" Unity of the Nature in the Laws of Natural Science, and About Main Properties of This Unity, Goriachko J.G. 569 Experiments on the Change of the Direction and Rate of Time Motion, Chernobrov V.A. 575 The Energy Anisotropy of Space, Efimov A.A., Shpitalnaya A.A. 583 On Some Properties of the Physical Time and Space, Veinik A.I. 587 To a Question on Reserves of Information Interaction in a Nature, Stavitsky V.I. 599 Generalized Golden Section and the Time Theory, Timashev A.R. 605 Information-Energy Model of Matter and Universe, Plykin V.D. 615 The United Holography Information Theory of the Universe, Dvorin G.V. 621 The Lorentz Component of the Cosmological Red Shift, Sharipov M.R. 625 Conclusion 635 Resolution 636 Contents 638 Price is $60 by Western Union transfer in INCOMBANK, St.-Petersburg, Russia, Mr. Alexander V. Frolov. Numbers of copies for sale is limited. Please, make reservation before you'll send money. Alexander V. Frolov Production Editor International MegaSciences Academy, Institute for Free Energy, Director P.O.Box 37, St.-Petersburg, 193024, Russia alex@frolov.spb.ru home: 7-812-2747877 (speak in English or in Russian, please) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Nov 29 08:23:57 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id IAA06622; Fri, 29 Nov 1996 08:21:51 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 08:21:51 -0800 (PST) From: AdamGrosmn@aol.com Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 11:21:27 -0500 Message-ID: <961129112126_1118264900@emout05.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Vacuum Fluctuations Resent-Message-ID: <"6uq7s.0.Id1.Tsmdo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/654 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I am new to this whole idea on free energy. But what I have see so far, it gets the energy from normal vacuum fluctuations (the so called "zero-point energy") in empty space. The vacuum fluctuations are just when empty space "borrows" energy from other points in space. The point that borrowed it now has positive energy, while the point that the energy was taken from has negative energy. My question is how do you get at that positive energy (I.E. seperate it from the negative energy and convert it to usefull form)? And once you have that, what happens to the negative energy? (It has to go somewhere, and it has to exist or else the conservation of energy would be broken.) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Nov 29 10:38:29 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id KAA04069; Fri, 29 Nov 1996 10:37:08 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 10:37:08 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 13:36:47 -0500 (EST) From: John Alexander Lotoski To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Vacuum Fluctuations In-Reply-To: <961129112126_1118264900@emout05.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"5OM-x2.0.U_.Irodo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/655 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > I am new to this whole idea on free energy. But what I have see so far, > it gets the energy from normal vacuum fluctuations (the so called "zero-point > energy") in empty space. The vacuum fluctuations are just when empty space With respect to the term Zero point energy, commonly referred to as ZPE: I'm a chemistry student and we have formally been taught that the zero point energy is the energy remaining in a molecule possessing the lowest quantum state of vibrational energy. Ie. a vibrating molecule has the energy: E(n) = hv(n+1/2) ; n=0,1,2,... h = plancks const. n = quantization condition v = vibrational fundamental frequency E(n) = Energy of that particular state When a molecule is in the lowest vibrational state possible (even at absolute zero) it will still possess: E(n) = hv(0 + 1/2) = (1/2)hv in the form of vibrational energy and will be vibrating. Is there another physical definition of zero point energy? Or is this being commonly mis-referred to? Thanx John Lotoski From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Nov 29 11:42:18 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id LAA17873; Fri, 29 Nov 1996 11:41:31 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 11:41:31 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 11:41:05 -0800 Message-Id: <199611291941.LAA23122@dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com> From: rwall@ix.netcom.com (Richard Wayne Wall) Subject: Re: Vacuum Fluctuations To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Resent-Message-ID: <"GaovY3.0.AN4.fnpdo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/656 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: 11/29/96 You wrote: > >I am new to this whole idea on free energy. But what I have see so >far, it gets the energy from normal vacuum fluctuations (the so called >"zero-point energy") in empty space. The vacuum fluctuations are just >when empty space "borrows" energy from other points in space. The >point that borrowed it now has positive energy, while the point that >the energy was taken from has negative energy. At zero kelvin, the so called "zero-point energy" is said to exist because there are these these vacuum fluctuations between real and virtual particals. I believe Dirac first discribed this process, hence the Dirac Sea. Many believe, as indicated by these posts, that to cohere ZPE, zero kelvin must be obtained. Actually these real and virtual partical interactions occur spontaneously all the time even at ambiant temperatures. >My question is how do you get at that positive energy (I.E. seperate >it from the negative energy and convert it to usefull form)? And once >you have that, what happens to the negative energy? (It has to go >somewhere, and it has to exist or else the conservation of energy >would be broken.) Yeah, there are probably a lot of unhappy virtual leptons left hanging about. See the open letter on Bill B's web - Not Your Average Construction Project by MVQ Group. Your point is well taken. Nature has decreed that energy will be conserved. RWW From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Nov 29 14:10:13 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id OAA13009; Fri, 29 Nov 1996 14:08:32 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 14:08:32 -0800 (PST) From: AdamGrosmn@aol.com Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 17:08:06 -0500 Message-ID: <961129170805_1884533689@emout04.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Vacuum Fluctuations Resent-Message-ID: <"_UM5j1.0.9B3.Vxrdo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/657 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >Is there another physical definition of zero point energy? >Or is this being commonly mis-referred to? I have read many books by Stephen Hawking, Roger Penrose, Kip Thorn and the like. They have always refered to vacuum flutuations in the way I described (As energy being borrowed from other regions of space.). This MAY be different from the zero-point energy, but I have always thought they were the same. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Nov 29 18:20:01 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id SAA03402; Fri, 29 Nov 1996 18:18:55 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 18:18:55 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 18:18:12 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199611300218.SAA22914@claim.goldrush.com> X-Sender: crosiar@GOLDRUSH.COM X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: wesly crosiar Subject: radium chloride Resent-Message-ID: <"CsJOh3.0.tq.Dcvdo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/658 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: TO ALL: DOES ANYONE HAVE ACCESS TO A SMALL AMOUNT OF RADIUM CHLORIDE THAT I COULD BUY, IF SO HOW MUCH? ALSO, DOES SOMEBODY KNOW HOW MANY MICROCURIE THE RADIUM PAINT WAS, THAT WAS USED ON WATCH DIALS. crosiar@GOLDRUSH.COM THANKS WES WESLEY CROSIAR PO BOX 268 SAN ANDREAS, CA. 95249 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Nov 30 03:41:01 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id DAA04238; Sat, 30 Nov 1996 03:26:52 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 03:26:52 -0800 Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 12:26:37 GMT Message-Id: <199611301226.MAA01353@korovev.stm.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: j.hasslberger@agora.stm.it (Josef Hasslberger) Subject: Re: ? Query: combustion arrangements Resent-Message-ID: <"S9-Ur1.0.721.xd1eo"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/659 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: You wrote: >What I am thinking about, for one, is automobile exhaust. > >The molecular velocity of the exhaust gas is much higher than the aggregate >velocity of the exhaust. > >Picture the temperature of the exhaust gas as a composite vector which moves >in all directions. Now absorb one portion of that vector in a single >direction. The result would be a gas moving (approx 100 to 200 meters per >second) in the other direction. > >If I could harness that type of energy.... >********************************************************** >* http://home.pacific.net.sg/~mpowers8 ******** >********************************************************** Hi - just checking out my backlogged e-mail after a trip to Japan. I saw your statement (above) and want to tell you that you very probably have a workable idea. In fact thermal energy is undirected molecular velocity, and a vortex with all probability has the ability to re-direct that energy into vectorially aligned movement. I have written on this before. You should be able to find it on my home page in an article on thermodynamics or perhaps one on dynamic water power. But then maybe you have already seen these... Regards - Josef Josef Hasslberger, Rampa Brancaleone 25 - 00165 Rome - ITALY when you have nothing better to do, check out my homepage for philosophical views on physics, economy and new energy at http://www.agora.stm.it/J.Hasslberger From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Nov 30 08:50:59 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id IAA18832; Sat, 30 Nov 1996 08:49:45 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 08:49:45 -0800 Message-ID: <32A066A8.5153@lakeweb.net> Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 08:54:00 -0800 From: Dan Bloomquist Organization: lakeWeb Internet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: ? Query: combustion arrangements References: <199611301226.MAA01353@korovev.stm.it> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"9cPxV2.0.9c4.eM6eo"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/660 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > > >What I am thinking about, for one, is automobile exhaust. > > > >The molecular velocity of the exhaust gas is much higher than the aggregate > >velocity of the exhaust. > > > >Picture the temperature of the exhaust gas as a composite vector which moves > >in all directions. Now absorb one portion of that vector in a single > >direction. The result would be a gas moving (approx 100 to 200 meters per > >second) in the other direction. > > I wish I could remember the story. Someone had even done Sci-Fi on the subject. It has to do with a demon that would let only the lower energy molecules threw a passage so as to segregate the thermally active molecules from the cold ones. The problem being, If you could create such a demon to do the work, it would take more energy to segregate the molecules than you would derive from the process. Maybe someone remembers the story better. It may have something to do with the uncertainty of working at the molecular level. Best, Dan. -- Niccolo' Machiavelli, The Dale Carnagie of Fascism. (DanB) http://www.lakeWeb.com/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Nov 30 09:09:05 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id JAA20092; Sat, 30 Nov 1996 09:08:23 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 09:08:23 -0800 Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 12:07:40 -0500 (EST) From: John Alexander Lotoski To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: ? Query: combustion arrangements In-Reply-To: <32A066A8.5153@lakeweb.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"VDeob3.0.rv4.5e6eo"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/661 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > I wish I could remember the story. Someone had even done > Sci-Fi on the subject. It has to do with a demon that would > let only the lower energy molecules threw a passage so as to > segregate the thermally active molecules from the cold ones. Maxwell's Demon. John From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Nov 30 09:33:35 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id JAA22562; Sat, 30 Nov 1996 09:33:01 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 09:33:01 -0800 From: RMCarrell@aol.com Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 12:31:55 -0500 Message-ID: <961130123155_1784795154@emout02.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Vacuum Fluctuations Resent-Message-ID: <"JzApl1.0.JW5.B_6eo"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/662 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: In a message dated 96-11-29 11:29:29 EST, Adam Grossman wrote: << I am new to this whole idea on free energy. But what I have see so far, it gets the energy from normal vacuum fluctuations (the so called "zero-point energy") in empty space. (It has to go somewhere, and it has to exist or else the conservation of energy would be broken.) >> There were several more comments from others about the formal definitions of ZPE. Some theorists propose that the Dirac Sea is intensly energetic, so much so that the palpable world is, as it were, a froth on that sea. In the absence of mass, as in a vacuum, virtual particles pop in and out of existence. Give what name you want, ZPE, vacuum energy, or aether, there is reason to believe that it exists. The business of thermodynamics and 'something for nothing' is partly a matter of definition. In a "closed system", processes run down and entropy increases. A gasoline engine with its fuel tank is a closed system -- until the tank is filled. There are devices and systems which look closed but aren't, since in some sense they are open to the vacuum energy. Yes, energy dissipated locally must be replenished globally, but "globally" may include the entire universe. Various theorists have various theories, the devices work or don't (in an o/u sense). If they do and no conventional mechanism can be found, the next candidate is the ZPE. Puthoff has shown theoretically that one can extract work from the ZPE without violating the conservation laws (locally). Aspden and Bearden have offered theoretical constructs on how the energy-tapping can occur. Aspden, among others, believes that the key is magnetism. Many of the energy-liberators use magnetism in some manner, although the Correa PAGD reactor uses a particular mode of plasma discharge. If this seems puzzling, you have lots of company. Welcome to 21st century physics. Mike Carrell From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Nov 30 15:55:09 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id PAA03125; Sat, 30 Nov 1996 15:51:37 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 15:51:37 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 16:50:31 -0700 (MST) From: Ed Harada To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: FS: Personal Schumann Resonance device kits (fwd) In-Reply-To: <199611280413.UAA09622@sure.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"Y345R1.0.jm.7YCeo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/663 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: I heard that the frequency have now moved up to about 9hz. Ed From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Nov 30 16:08:40 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id QAA06748; Sat, 30 Nov 1996 16:03:46 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 16:03:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <32990158.4066@keelynet.com> Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 18:15:52 -0800 From: Jerry Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: June 1996 Proceedings "New IDeas in Natural Sciences", contents References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Ne_Ft.0.Gf1.VjCeo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/664 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi Dr. Frolov! Please reserve a copy of the book for me. Should the fund transfer be $60 in cashier check, international money order or what? The topic list was quite intriguing.. One other point, you mentioned a fellow who invented a time machine? Is this fact? How has he proven it and have others experimented with it or duplicated the research? Thank you for your time and assistance! -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://www.keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / KeelyNet BBS (214) 324-3501 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite, Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Nov 30 17:05:02 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id RAA19254; Sat, 30 Nov 1996 17:03:31 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 17:03:31 -0800 (PST) From: rvanspaa@netspace.net.au (Robin van Spaandonk) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Vacuum Fluctuations Date: Sun, 01 Dec 1996 01:03:22 GMT Organization: Improving Message-ID: <32a1ce1a.7118197@mail.netspace.net.au> References: <961129170805_1884533689@emout04.mail.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <961129170805_1884533689@emout04.mail.aol.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99g/32.335 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <"elriZ2.0.ii4.XbDeo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/665 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Fri, 29 Nov 1996 17:08:06 -0500, AdamGrosmn@aol.com wrote: >>Is there another physical definition of zero point energy? =20 >>Or is this being commonly mis-referred to? > >I have read many books by Stephen Hawking, Roger Penrose, Kip Thorn and = the >like. They have always refered to vacuum flutuations in the way I = described >(As energy being borrowed from other regions of space.). This MAY be >different from the zero-point energy, but I have always thought they = were the >same. > > As far as I am aware, anything and everything has zero point = fluctuations. This can be molecules, or the vacuum itself. It seems in fact likely that the zero point fluctuations of molecules are due to interactions with the zero point fluctuations of the vacuum. [wild speculation starts here] The original point about ZPE energy leaving a "hole" behind when utilised elsewhere rings a bell. The Meyer claims about splitting water report the cell remains cool to the touch. Add to this observation, the theory=20 of prof. Sapogin from Russia, that particles can "evaporate" and "form again" in different locations, donating energy to the ZPE, and taking energy from it in the process. Combine these with the concept of = particles=20 comprising electromagnetic vibrations at a whole suite of frequencies, and you get the possibility of splitting water by using its own internal energy in the form or direct mass to energy conversion, at many frequencies. Furthermore, the "hole" left behind would also be "across" a suite of frequencies, some of which would match thermal frequencies = (though only a very small percentage of the energy would be in this range), hence= =20 one would only expect to detect a small temperature drop. Most of the energy coming from direct mass reduction. [end wild speculation] Regards, Robin van Spaandonk -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Check out: http://netspace.net.au/~rvanspaa for how CF depends on=20 temperature. "....,then he should stop, and he will catch up..." -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Nov 30 18:54:25 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id SAA06401; Sat, 30 Nov 1996 18:52:57 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 18:52:57 -0800 (PST) From: rvanspaa@netspace.net.au (Robin van Spaandonk) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: ? Query: combustion arrangements Date: Sun, 01 Dec 1996 02:52:47 GMT Organization: Improving Message-ID: <32a2d1a5.8025481@mail.netspace.net.au> References: <199611301226.MAA01353@korovev.stm.it> In-Reply-To: <199611301226.MAA01353@korovev.stm.it> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99g/32.335 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <"9ngu42.0.wZ1.8CFeo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/666 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Sat, 30 Nov 1996 12:26:37 GMT, Josef Hasslberger wrote: [snip] >I saw your statement (above) and want to tell you that you very probably >have a workable idea. > >In fact thermal energy is undirected molecular velocity, and a vortex = with >all probability has the ability to re-direct that energy into = vectorially >aligned movement. > >I have written on this before. You should be able to find it on my home >page in an article on thermodynamics or perhaps one on dynamic water = power. >But then maybe you have already seen these... > >Regards - Josef > >Josef Hasslberger, Rampa Brancaleone 25 - 00165 Rome - ITALY > >when you have nothing better to do, check out my homepage for = philosophical >views on physics, economy and new energy at >http://www.agora.stm.it/J.Hasslberger I have read some of what you have on your home page, but not all. I think you may have missed two points that I consider important. (If not, please correct me). 1) When a river runs down hill toward the sea it picks of kinetic energy = as it goes. If a dam is placed in its path, then this kinetic energy is converted into heat in the lake above the dam, and radiated into the=20 environment. The "Finzi-Herbrand-Turbine" that you mention, appears to simply make use of the kinetic energy of the water, without slowing it down behind a dam first. IOW the river has had an opportunity to pick up speed ever since it left the previous dam upstream (12 km?), which is = also, due to the slope of the countryside, probably hundreds of meters higher. Most of the kinetic energy of the river, will however have been lost to friction with the river bed, and turbulence, along the way. It would seem prudent, to measure the actual kinetic energy in the water = at any given point, before deciding which method to employ in harnessing = that energy. Alternatively, one can deduct that the maximum amount of energy = can be extracted from a river by ensuring that the "top" of one lake starts = at the "foot" of the previous dam. This will however probably not be the cheapest method of extracting the energy. The method that uses the = kinetic energy of the river itself, is certainly cheaper per kWh produced (no dam= =20 construction required), however it does waste energy that is lost due to friction and turbulence (unless dams would otherwise not be optimally placed and specified anyway). 2) I have thought about the "vortex", and come up with the following. Water is a "lopsided" molecule. I.e. it has a heavy oxygen atom on one side, and two light hydrogen atoms on the other side. It is also polar. Consider now what happens when such mass of such molecules is placed in a centrifuge. There should be a tendency for the molecules to align themselves, such that the oxygen atom is on the "outside", while the=20 hydrogen is on the "inside" (due to centrifugal force). This alignment will have a secondary effect. Due to the polarisation of the molecules, an overall electric field will be induced, that tends to further align the molecules, analogous to the way that iron filings align in a magnetic field. Furthermore, this electric field will get stronger with each=20 molecule that becomes aligned, and adds its own field. Eventually, it will become almost impossible for molecules to not align with the field. =46rom a macroscopic point of view, this manifests itself as a reduction in the degrees of freedom of motion that a water molecule has under these conditions. IOW, it is no longer free to rotate. Hence the energy of=20 rotation of the molecules must now be distributed across the other = degrees of freedom. These comprise vibration and translation. This means that = some of that rotational energy may now become available as kinetic energy of the fluid as a whole (Individual molecular movement may also be = restricted by the field). This would appear to comprise a form of "Maxwell demon", in that disordered energy in the form of heat may end up as ordered=20 energy in the form of kinetic energy of the fluid mass. I suspect that it is this mechanism that may have been at the heart of some of Victor Schauberger's inventions (discoveries?). BTW the energy involved here is not trivial. According to Boltzmann, the average energy per degree of freedom is 1/2kT= =20 per molecule, or 19 kWh / cubic meter of water. So 50 cubic meters / sec. Would yield approx. 19*50*3600 kW*sec/sec =3D 3.5 GW. So even a tiny = fraction of this power would be very useful! Regards, Robin van Spaandonk -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Check out: http://netspace.net.au/~rvanspaa for how CF depends on=20 temperature. "....,then he should stop, and he will catch up..." -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Nov 30 19:29:07 1996 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id TAA11281; Sat, 30 Nov 1996 19:28:11 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 19:28:11 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 20:28:05 -0700 Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19961130213115.269754e8@holly.colostate.edu> X-Sender: trex@holly.colostate.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Thomas Rice Subject: Schumann Resonance Freq??? Resent-Message-ID: <"V_mCE3.0.Am2.AjFeo"@mail> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/667 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 04:50 PM 11/30/96 -0700, you wrote: >I heard that the frequency have now moved up to about 9hz. > >Ed I would like to know the 'hard science' explaination of how this frequency was/is determined. Sincerely, Thomas A. Rice "One man's magic is another man's technology". Robert A. Heinlein "Any sufficiently advanced technology will be indistinguishable from magic." Arthur C. Clarke