From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Nov 1 01:27:47 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA25072; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 01:27:29 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 01:27:29 -0800 Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 02:27:23 -0700 (MST) From: Steve Ekwall X-Sender: ekwall2@november To: vortex cc: Free Energy , fepps@halcyon.com, kami@iafrica.com Subject: Re: Fw: DEBUNKING VIRUSES In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="-559023410-851401618-878376443=:6358" Resent-Message-ID: <"PBL_G.0.c76.0OlMq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1777 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. ---559023410-851401618-878376443=:6358 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 31 Oct 1997, Steve Ekwall wrote: Sorry, forgot to attach it (used read file instead): last try... Is this the one??....see below: >>On Thu, 30 Oct 1997, Fred Epps wrote: >> >> >>virus supposedly ravaging his country. He wanted me to post it on the >> >>list, but instead I told him that these email viruses were actually mental >> >>viruses, and I didn't want to spread the >> >>disease :-) Unfortunately I have deleted the posts debunking these types >> >>of viruses. Can anyone who has this information please send it to him? >> >>Thanks! >> >> >> >>Fred >> >>---------- >> >>> From: kami >> >>> To: @halcyon.com >> >>> Subject: Fwd: DEBUNKING VIRUSES >> >>> Date: Thursday, October 30, 1997 11:37 AM >> >>> >> >>> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 97 11:35:20 PST >> >>> From: kami >> >>> To: FRED >> >>> Subject: DEBUNKING VIRUSES >> >>> >> >>> HI FRED >> >>> Thanks for the e mail , very interesting that the virus story has been >> >>> debunked on your side , I would greatly appreciate any further info I >> >>> can get on this as this country is practically in hysterics regarding >> >>> these viruses right to the point of it being mentioned on T.V. Perhaps >> >>> a little official debunking would do it some good , mainly because our >> >>> postal and telephone systems are so inefficient people are scared of >> >>> the fact that e mail may go that way too. >> >>> REGARDS >>> MARTIN>>> kami@iafrica.com >>------------------snip--------------- >> ---559023410-851401618-878376443=:6358 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; name="virus.anti_txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: BASE64 Content-ID: Content-Description: DQpGcm9tIGJwYWRkb2NrQGNzb25saW5lLm5ldCBNb24gQXVnIDE4IDE3OjUw OjM3IDE5OTcNCkRhdGU6IFN1biwgMTcgQXVnIDE5OTcgMDk6NDQ6NTUgLTA0 MDANCkZyb206IEJvYiBQYWRkb2NrIDxicGFkZG9ja0Bjc29ubGluZS5uZXQ+ DQpUbzogdnJhbW9zQGN0di5lcw0KQ2M6IGZyZWVucmctbEBlc2tpbW8uY29t DQpTdWJqZWN0OiBSZTogTUFJTCBWSVJVUyAtIFJFQUQgVEhJUw0KUmVzZW50 LURhdGU6IFN1biwgMTcgQXVnIDE5OTcgMDY6NTI6MDcgLTA3MDAgKFBEVCkN ClJlc2VudC1Gcm9tOiBmcmVlbnJnLWxAZXNraW1vLmNvbQ0KDQo+RnJvbSBl YXJsaWVyIHRoaXMgeWVhcjoNCg0KRGF0ZTogU3VuLCA1IEphbiAxOTk3IDE1 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02:07:22 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 02:07:22 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <345AFEEC.DAE94B06@microtronics.com.au> Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 20:35:32 +1030 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List Server Freenrg CC: List Server Vortex Subject: SMOT OU Proof Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------71FAB716949790B0E5CC5B74" Resent-Message-ID: <"7qY8X2.0.b03.KzlMq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1778 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------71FAB716949790B0E5CC5B74 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit HI All, Attached are two test set-ups that, IMHO, prove the SMOT Mk2 is capable of OU. The first test set-up clearly shows that the interaction of the SMOT Mk2 magnetic field and the steel ball is NOT conservative. The second test set-up shows that the start and final flux densities on 4 linked SMOT Mk2 ramps is not sufficient to pull the ball on a level track from the start point to the final point. I have verified these results in actual practice. 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<345AFEEC.DAE94B06@microtronics.com.au> <345B25CE.4380@keelynet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"8CyRI1.0.iG3.1DmMq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1779 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Jerry wrote: > > Gnorts! > > Amazing, the new TOMI..........and multiple inclines too...thank you > Stewart Harris for starting this off, someday maybe it will even do work? Hi Jerry, SMOT like patents exist that are almost 20 years old. The SMOT and the TOMI are VERY different. The TOMI is about Magnet to Magnet interaction and the TOMI field contours are symmetrical. The SMOT is about Magnet to Ferromagnetic interaction and the field contours are highly NON symmetrical. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Nov 1 07:23:37 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA29083; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 07:20:29 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 07:20:29 -0800 (PST) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 18:03:41 -0800 Subject: Re: Info about new motor] Message-ID: <19971101.071844.12310.2.Jahuti@juno.com> References: <345A54EF.1304@keelynet.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-3,5,7-9,11-31 From: jahuti@juno.com (Michael Morrison) Resent-Message-ID: <"VJT4n2.0.F67.uYqMq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1780 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >Look at the Hubble pictures of the colliding galaxies. They show that >millions of stars are born in the differential gravitational vortices. > My motor doe that in the same manner. It is really simple, however, we >waited 4 years after the experiment to get a firm grip on the theoretical >background. > So, now we feel free to speak about it with scientific certainty. >There is always going to be opposition, and I simply ignore it, ot politely put >them straight. > >I am arranging for funding and proliferation. > >Albert de Vree > >I invite all that can contribute to form partnerships now. The world >awakens to a new reality.... > >Best Wishes, >Albert de Vree, Ph.D.E.E. > > > Hey, great, Dr. de Vree. Sounds really interesting. Let's see it. -- --Michael Morrison Target ICBMs or cruise missles to 38.406N 122.735W From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Nov 1 09:27:21 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA24367; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 09:26:56 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 09:26:56 -0800 X-Sender: richarda@mailhub.icx.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19971101.071844.12310.2.Jahuti@juno.com> References: <345A54EF.1304@keelynet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 12:26:48 -0400 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Richard Austin Subject: Re: Info about new motor] Resent-Message-ID: <"Y4MBC3.0.ey5.VPsMq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1781 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >> >Hey, great, Dr. de Vree. Sounds really interesting. > >Let's see it. >-- >--Michael Morrison >Target ICBMs or cruise missles to 38.406N 122.735W Hey Michael, About those coordinates... What's in San Francisco that you want to obliterate? Richard Austin -- email: richarda@icx.net -- radio: KG7SU Check out the Institute for Planetary Renewal at http://user.icx.net/~richarda From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Nov 1 09:49:52 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA27699; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 09:49:39 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 09:49:39 -0800 From: Keasy@aol.com Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 12:48:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971101122436_27842393@mrin46.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Turn long narrow magnets 90 degrees to a second set ? Resent-Message-ID: <"ERDts1.0.dm6.oksMq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1782 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Butch. I think the answer to your question is "no", but, a couple of observations: 1. The magnets in attraction on the left are not all "useful"; that is, as the magnets move into alignment the center parts of the magnet are not contributing much if anything to the force. All the field changes contributing to the force occur very near the two ends. 2. You can almost certainly arrange for the forces to be equal and opposite at 1/4" by adjusting the exact spacing between the magnets (in the direction perpendicular to the motion). However, as the magnets move toward alignment the forces will not remain equal. Ken Keasy@aol.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Nov 1 10:08:28 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA01113; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 10:08:06 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 10:08:06 -0800 From: HLafonte Message-ID: <1a80031a.345b6fab@aol.com> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 13:07:20 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re to Ken: Re: Turn long narrow magnets Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv10) Resent-Message-ID: <"m33kc2.0.GH.30tMq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1783 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: In a message dated 97-11-01 12:51:40 EST, you write: << 1. The magnets in attraction on the left are not all "useful"; that is, as the magnets move into alignment the center parts of the magnet are not contributing much if anything to the force. All the field changes contributing to the force occur very near the two ends. >> Ken, Would this be true for the magnets on the right that are in repulsion, but moving across their narrow side as shown in the drawing? Thanks, Butch From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Nov 1 11:27:48 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA18172; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 11:27:25 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 11:27:25 -0800 From: HLafonte@aol.com Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 14:26:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971101134045_242672799@mrin40.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Reply to Greg MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="PART.BOUNDARY.0.13202.mrin40.mail.aol.com.878409645" Resent-Message-ID: <"kAyU62.0.kR4.RAuMq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1784 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: --PART.BOUNDARY.0.13202.mrin40.mail.aol.com.878409645 Content-ID: <0_13202_878409645@mrin40.mail.aol.com.3635> Content-type: text/plain In a message dated 97-11-01 04:57:04 EST, you write: << Would you like the design to be added to your papes on my site? >> Greg, That would be great, but I think that the drawing butch20.gif is wired wrong. I think it might work better like this (see attached drawing). What is odd about this situation is, the field in the rod is EXPANDING from two sources at the same time. One, because it is moving into the magnetic circuit, and two, because the coil is generating a magnetic field also, all at the same time! What would happen here? Thanks for all the help Greg. 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all MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="PART.BOUNDARY.0.20384.mrin38.878419651" Resent-Message-ID: <"ONWan3.0.Su3.txvMq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1785 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: --PART.BOUNDARY.0.20384.mrin38.878419651 Content-ID: <0_20384_878419651@mrin38.60> Content-type: text/plain Greg, Can you make anything out in this drawing, would this keep the forces positive? Thank you for the long hours on the simulation, I am in your debt. Going to bed now, it's almost 3 AM here. I will be at it again in about 6 hours, Thanks, Butch --PART.BOUNDARY.0.20384.mrin38.878419651 Content-ID: <0_20384_878419651@mrin38.61> Content-type: image/gif; name="BUTCH20.GIF" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 R0lGODlh7gLvAfcAAAAAAIAAAACAAICAAAAAgIAAgACAgMDAwMDcwKbK8Hut1oS13nOt1nut 3pS93nu13oy13oy93pzG3s7e797n76XG573W563O56XO5+fv9+fn75y93nu11nOt3sbe77XO 5/f39+/v94S93u/397XW59bn78bW55zG587n773W797v797n997v9+f393O13rXW75y959bn 99be773e78bW7/f3/5S955TG3rXO763G5/f////39/f/987e987n963W55TG5//3/63O75zO 54y95///963W74y154S156XO72ZmM5lmM8xmM/9mMwCZMzOZM2aZM5mZM8yZM/+ZMwDMMzPM M2bMM5nMM8zMM//MMzP/M2b/M5n/M8z/M///MwAAZjMAZmYAZpkAZswAZv8AZgAzZjMzZmYz ZpkzZswzZv8zZgBmZjNmZmZmZplmZsxmZgCZZjOZZmaZZpmZZsyZZv+ZZgDMZjPMZpnMZszM Zv/MZgD/ZjP/Zpn/Zsz/Zv8AzMwA/wCZmZkzmZkAmcwAmQAAmTMzmWYAmcwzmf8AmQBmmTNm mWYzmZlmmcxmmf8zmTOZmWaZmZmZmcyZmf+ZmQDMmTPMmWbMZpnMmczMmf/MmQD/mTP/mWbM mZn/mcz/mf//mQAAzDMAmWYAzJkAzMwAzAAzmTMzzGYzzJkzzMwzzP8zzABmzDNmzGZmmZlm 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<345BBBE2.61B15B84@microtronics.com.au> Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 10:01:46 +1030 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List Server Freenrg CC: List Server Vortex Subject: Re: SMOT OU proof References: <345B5A9B.DAE29340@verisoft.com.tr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"UqJ0T.0.Iv2.ilxMq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1786 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hamdi Ucar wrote: > > (Private mail) Now public, with your kind permission, > Hi Greg, > > I think you don't need such defense about SMOT prove OU. Only needed third party verifications. And these are already here. As you stated from the beginning Roll Around is not the goal of the SMOT. This because SMOT is not designed originally for this o peration. Yes, Roll-arounds will be wonderful but it has a serious cost. (time+effort+money+..) The "OU Proof" was intended to show that the SMOT's magnetic field and Ferromagnetic ball's interactions are not conservative. That alone is a major anomaly. > Now, the first criteria of prove OU by comparing losses on each directions is required but not the sufficient argument for OU. I agree. > For example, as the ball have different acceleration rate on each direction, different angular moments are applied to the tracks and may cause different losses including sliding. Also the dB/dt at each position are not equals due to different speeds of the ball electrical losses due by induced currents are not equal. Also losses due to magnetic hysteresis of the ball are not equal. So the everything is asymmetric naturally by the asymmetric design of the setup. It is strongly possible that one or more t hese losses are smaller on the reverse direction, but the total is greater accordance with the result of the experiment suggested. I also agree, BUT the differences are major. >15:1! I can't see this being loss (frictional, sliding, eddy current) related, its too large a differential. If you watch the ball moving in each direction, the relative speeds, over most of the track, seem to be with-in 2:1. By the way, the 0.5mm incline on the "A" ball example is what it takes to overcome the track / ball frictional losses. Without the arrays in place, I can't get a solid 300mm roll (end to end) on a slope less than 1:600 (0.5mm lift, 300mm length). With the SMOT Mk2 arrays in place, the ball exits from the array moving faster than it went in. OU? TRY IT YOURSELF. > It also possible that the extra energy is gained on both directions but due to greater loss on reverse direction, roll-away on this direction could not be observed. Mathematically speaking: > > Optimized Gain(forward) + Optimized Losses(forward) >= 0 (Roll-away) > > Unoptimized Gain(backward) + unoptimized Losses(backward) < 0 > > Unoptimized Gain(forward) + Unoptimized Losses(forward) < 0 > > This should be standard SMOT equations And what you suggest as proof is > > Potential En.(0.5mm)+ Unoptimized Gain(forward) + Unoptimized Losses(forward)=0 > > Potential En.(7mm)+ Unoptimized Gain(backward) + Unoptimized Losses(backward)=0 > > So this equation does not suffice to show that > > Unoptimized Gain(forward)>0 > > A non-OU solution is > > Unoptimized Gain(forward)<=0 > > and > > Unoptimized Gain(backward)<=0 > > and > > Unoptimized Losses(backward) > Unoptimized Losses(forward) > 0 The "RollThrough" example was not intended to show OU. It was intended to show that the test set-up generates a major magnetic anomaly. > I did not yet analysed the second criteria that you gave. > > Please don't give new materials (claims) to fool which constantly try abuse you and we (the vortex people which are confident to your work and sincerity). The examples, and more to follow, are for you guys. They are NON Rollaround test set-ups to support further testing of SMOT devices. They are designed to provide real numbers, for those of you who like theory crunching. > (you can forward this mail privately as you wish) Thank you, I have. > Note: If you have difficulties to reading reading lines (needs line wrapping while reading) please inform me. Line wrap seems to work fine for me. > Regards, > > hamdi ucar HI Hamdi, Thanks for the input, I will post the "OU Proofs" on my site. I have two more which show how to determine the optimum exit point and another example of the non conservative nature of the SMOT magnetic array versus the exit angle from the exit point. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Nov 1 16:20:52 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA27922; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 16:20:25 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 16:20:25 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 16:07:47 -0800 Subject: Coordinates Message-ID: <19971101.161546.4078.2.Jahuti@juno.com> References: <345A54EF.1304@keelynet.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-23 From: jahuti@juno.com (Michael Morrison) Resent-Message-ID: <"EBXNy1.0.Bq6.8TyMq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1787 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Sat, 1 Nov 1997 12:26:48 -0400 Richard Austin writes: > > >Hey Michael, >About those coordinates... >What's in San Francisco that you want to obliterate? > >Richard Austin -- email: richarda@icx.net -- radio: KG7SU >Check out the Institute for Planetary Renewal at >http://user.icx.net/~richarda > Gee, Rich, you're off a degree or two! Within 150 feet, that's the location of my house in back of the dairy about 4 miles west of Santa Rosa CA, about 50 miles north of SF. "If I care so little about missles, how much do you think I care about insults?" ;-) BTW: Also and W6TIB. -- --Michael Morrison Target ICBMs or cruise missles to 38.406N 122.735W From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Nov 1 23:25:11 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA18576; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 23:24:16 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 23:24:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <345C2A46.31920A77@microtronics.com.au> Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 17:52:46 +1030 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com, List Server Freenrg Subject: Latest Reply to RWW References: <199711020102.TAA26165@dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"wL71O.0.0Y4.Qg2Nq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1788 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Richard Wayne Wall wrote: > > 9/1/97 > > Jerry wrote in part: > > > >Hi Greg et. al.! > > > >Similar layout, different roller....my TOMI definitely went over two > >ramps but that is all I built, hoping to make it continuous on a > >circular track...and therein lies the trap...though durnit, I still > >think the circular version could be made to work with some > >fiddling.... > > > >I just like to see credit given where it is due and I never see > >anything mentioned by anyone about the TOMI in this mailing list, > >though maybe it all happened before I subscribed. > > > >New people are unaware of 'prior art' and get all tangled up (and > >probably frustrated) with these arguments, simulations, theories and > >such....so easy to put together a TOMI and though I've not built a > >SMOT yet, looks simple enough... > > Yeah, the Tomi device is an amusing and no doubt similar toy to Mr. > Watson's toys. Neither exhibit unconventional behavior and both are no > where near o/u. Scott Little fully evaluated the Tomi about a year and > a half ago. The apparent anomalous energy is imparted by the operator > at the beginning event. Of course, no one has considered this > possibity when conducting their extensive testing of smot, rmog, etc. You really got that point very WRONG. > Too busy jumping on Mr. Watson's o/u band wagon. %^) Would suggest you read some of the SMOT posts. There is NO input energy. The ball is PULLED into the SMOT device. This point has been discussed at length here. Sleeping were we, Richard? > Seriously, Scott did some excellent work in the Tomi evaluation. > Perhaps he could be persuaded to repost his Tomi findings. > > Even though Scott posted that he also was unsuccessful with his smot, > perhaps Mr. Watson would provide a WORKING o/u model for Scott to > evaluate. Scott & Hal did get a 2 ramp link to work. Took a lot of time to get the first climb and drop to work as well. This result was posted here and in my SMOT results data base. Sleeping again Richard? > I hope it has not escaped everyone's attention that there > are more and more people suggesting Mr. Watson submit one of his > working o/u smots for independant verification of his claims. Please > see Rick Monteverde's 10/31/97 post stating ". . . I do wish Greg > would have sent out at least *one* well working SMOT even capable of > just a simple rollaway, let alone a rollaround version. I find it > amazing as you do, after all this time, that not one hand built > prototype has made it out to some of the qualified people on this list > like Mallove, Merriman, Little, or others." Check the results list, I believe there are 4 "Rollaways" reported. Rick himself posted that he had good results linking additional ramps, with no apparent slowdown on the ball's progress. There is a photo on the SMOT main page of Rick's 7 ramp link. Suggest you check the list of people who will get SMOT's. Think that you will find ALL of the above. > While there are some that find my posts _________, (supply you own > adjective), they are designed to stimulate at least some rational > beings to think about and question Mr. Watsons slick internet packaging > and marketing schemes of his faulty technologies. Slick internet packing and marketing schemes? Well lets see, at last count, I have pre-sold 26 SMOT kits. If thats a big success, you must live in a very small town or swim in a very small pond. Or are you just really trying hard to have a go at me. Some time ago, I made my intentions to seek profit from my devices very public. I made NO secret of that. I even called for expressions of interest when I form the Dmec company to market this technology. Its on the public record. Sleeping again? By the way Richard, where do you live? My address and details are there for all to see. > Actually, some agree > with my posts in toto, but there is a small cadre of smot&rmog o/u > wannabes who are quite gullible. Unfortunately, they will hang on > until this thing plays out, as it eventually is destined to do. Then > they will move on and become wannabes of another cause. Absolutely no > insult intended to anyone. Just the nature of some people. Who gives YOU the right to judge others? Its when you do that, that I really start to get steamed. YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO JUDGE OTHERS LIKE THAT. Didn't your mother tell you "If you can't say something nice, say nothing at ALL". You have every right to judge my designs. PLEASE build one and comment on whether it works or not. Richard, I repeat, YOU have NO right to judge others!!!!!!!!!!! > So, Mr. Watson, will you submit at least *one* well working SMOT to > some of the qualified people on this list like Mallove, Merriman, > Little, or others for outside verification of all your claims. We all > hope you will. I have worked very hard the last 7 months to get SOLID results from the SMOT ramps. Ask anyone who has built a SMOT about how sensitive they are. Before I release the SMOT Mk4 for shipping, I plan to send a unit from Adelaide to Perth, have a friend test it, have them ship it to Sydney to another friend who will retest the unit and then sent it back to me in Adelaide. Should take about 4-5 days. The present SMOT Mk4 design should pass that test. Ask any SMOT ramp builder if they believe their ramps would survive that sort of treatment and work in the hands of 2 strangers. The answer from EVERY builders will be a SOLID NO. What's the point in shipping touchy / sensitive units half way around the planet and having them obey Murphy's laws when they arrive? NONE. Richard, sorry to say, but the SMOT is real. Its even becoming reliable. AS I said before, "Check the list". > Sincerely, > > RWW Richard, You really should do your homework when you set out on your slash & burn jaunts. Not very professional. The entry energy question of the SMOT's has been discussed at length on Freenrg & Vortex. Several times I believe. I believe the general opinion was that the entry energy was zero or very close thereof. The fact that I have offered to send SMOT's to the individuals you mentioned for verification and testing also seems to have escaped your notice. Now thats just plain sloppy, Richard. I expect better of a professional debunker. What will your clients think? -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Nov 1 23:34:50 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA23444; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 23:34:31 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 23:34:31 -0800 Message-ID: <345C2CA9.33AF0005@microtronics.com.au> Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 18:02:57 +1030 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com CC: List Server Freenrg Subject: Re: SMOT OU Proof References: <345AFEEC.DAE94B06@microtronics.com.au> <345C1D2A.7E03@skypoint.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ZGXIW.0.0k5.5q2Nq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1789 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: John Logajan wrote: > > Greg Watson wrote: > > The first test set-up clearly shows that the interaction of the SMOT > > Mk2 magnetic field and the steel ball is NOT conservative. > > The test given was that it required a 0.5mm elevation to send the ball > through to rollaway in one direction and 7.0mm elevation to send the > ball through to rollaway in the other direction. > > The fuzzy part of this test, and why it isn't valid as specified, is > that you don't indicate the speed of rollaway -- a faster rollaway > in one direction (presumably from the 7mm elevated case) would > invalidate your conclusion of non-conservation, I believe. > Hi John, Sorry for the confusion, The incline height was that required to just get a weak release / rollaway in at least 7 out of 10 attempts. In used a 0.5mm increment in the tests. Therefore the rollaway release was as close to the same as I could make it. Reducing the magnet to magnet spacing by half would result in almost 4 times the incline height to get a release from the array. That data has been posted on my SMOT page for awhile. > -- > - John Logajan -- jlogajan@skypoint.com -- 612-699-9472 - > - 4248 Hamline Ave; Arden Hills, Minnesota (MN) 55112 USA - > - WWW URL = http://www.skypoint.com/members/jlogajan - -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Nov 2 07:08:10 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA17623; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 07:07:55 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 07:07:55 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971102160640.00cc2560@bahnhof.se> X-Sender: david@bahnhof.se X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 17:06:40 +0100 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: David Jonsson Subject: Russian conference: Fundamental Problems of Natural Sciences In-Reply-To: <970924123458_2064612291@emout16.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id HAA17505 Resent-Message-ID: <"TYtFY2.0.EJ4.AT9Nq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1790 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Some time ago I received a letter from Russia about a conference. Anyone interested in participating? David ----- RUSSIAN ACADEMY OF SCIENCES RUSSIAN GEOGRAPHIC SOCIETY PETROVSKY ACADEMY OF SCIENCES AND ARTS ST.-PETERSBURG's PHYSICAL SOCIETY ST.-PETERSBURG's REPRESENTATION OF «EXICO AB» COMPANY, SWEDEN SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH INSTITUTE OF RADIO AND ELECTRONICS PRELIMINARY ANNOUNCEMENT Dear Dr. Jonsssn, We have the honor to invite You to take part in the International Scientific Congress «Fundamental Problems of Natural Sciences», which will take place in June 22-27, 1998 in St.-Petersburg, Russia Organizers suggest the following problems to be discussed at the Congress-98: 1. Substance, Electromagnetism, Gravitation 2. Elements, structure and interaction of Earth and Universe systems 3. Mechanics 4. Nontraditional Sources of Energy and Technologies The new research into physics and other spheres of Natural Sciences will be presented at the Congress-98. It is suggested to discuss materials of International Conferences «New ideas in Natural Science», June, 1996 and «Space, Time, Gravitation», September, 1996 at the final session of the Congress-98. If You agree to take part in the Congress-98 Orguiizers ask You to fill out the Registration form enclosed hereinafter and send it together with the Summary of Your paper (no more than 1/2 page) to the LOC before December, 1997. Please, inform us about the number of problem for presentation of Your report. In January, 1998 LOC will send You the Second Announcement with the detailed information. Now Orguiizing Committees of two International Conferences («New Ideas in Natural science», June 1996 and «Space, Time, Gravitation», September, 1996) have jointed. The chairman of the united LOC is Michael Varin, the Vice-Churmun are Marina Karpoukhina and Anatoly Smirnov. Address of the LOC: Office: Dr. M.Varin Home: Dr. M.Varin Postal box N 3 65-9-1 Pulkovskoye Rd 193036 St.-Petersburg 196140 St.-Petersburg, Russia Russia Contacts: Fax: (7) (812) 277-12-56 Phone: Tatyuna Dogunonskaya, Secretary Office: (7) (812) 277-00-37 Home: (7) (812) 224-89-76 (please, E-mail: exico~ muLnevalinkwru call after 8:00 p.m.local time) Organiers of Congress-98 September 11, 1997 ---- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Nov 2 08:01:36 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA30248; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 08:01:15 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 08:01:15 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971102165954.00cc2560@bahnhof.se> X-Sender: david@bahnhof.se X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 17:59:54 +0100 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: David Jonsson Subject: Silvertooth Interferometer made simple,(was Re: Stefan Marinov, by Robert Bass) Cc: gravitics1@aol.com, koz@innovacom.org In-Reply-To: <199710071445.QAA23486@sdn5.csc.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"sURI-1.0.XO7.AFANq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1791 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 17:34 1997-10-07 DST, you wrote: > > The experiment was originally published by Silvertooth (in Nature, I > think) Marinov did a replication of Silvertooth's experiment. Can anyone give me Silvertooths address? I have a simpler suggestion for a device similar to Silvertooths. ------| | Laser |==================================================| Mirror, tilted ------| ------------------------------------------- | tilted Flat surface Have half the laser-beam (some mm in diameter) projected on a flat surface. Have the remaining part reflected and superposed on the first half. If there is an ether-drag it will show up as fringes in the superposed light. If the device is aimed towards the southern part of the constellation of Leo you should get 4 fringes per mm for 632 nm laser-light if Silvertooth and the COBE measurements are correct. David David Jonsson Phone +46-18-24 51 52 Fax +46-18-24 51 56 Uppsala Cellular GSM +46-706-339487 E-mail David@Bahnhof.se Sweden Web: http://bahnhof.se/~david/ Postgiro 499 40 54-7 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Nov 2 10:56:12 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA31689; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 10:56:00 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 10:56:00 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971102125408.00728bfc@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 12:54:08 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: very fast gate drive/magnetic diode Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"H_aTt.0.qk7.zoCNq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1792 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi All... The circuit that I've used successfully to achieve very fast gate drive times, but paying a penalty in gate drive power, is this.... First build a complementary symmetry totem pole of small mosfets, and drive it with a fast driver, say, a TSC4429. Now here's the trick...connect the totem pole driver across a supply of 30 volts, and connect a capacitor equal to the switching mosfet's gate capacitance between the totem pole's output and the switching mosfet. This forms a capacitive divider, so there will be +/-15 volts applied to the switch's gate. I guess you could use a 60 volt supply and 1/4 of the gate capacitance in series...I've never had to though. With careful construction I've obtained nearly square pulses of 10-20 nano seconds duration, from large mosfets, with this technique. Fred, I've had no luck with the magnetic diode scheme either. Possibly the alignment of the MetGlas material I salvaged from the small toroid is incorrect. I'll get back to this when I'm able to. Best Regards, Jack ---------------------------------------------------------- "Tell me if you like this one." - Count Rochefocault mules@palacenet.net ---------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Nov 2 11:18:54 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA05948; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 11:18:43 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 11:18:43 -0800 From: HLafonte Message-ID: <289451a1.345cd172@aol.com> Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 14:16:48 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: To Greg Watson and all, from (MER) Butch Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part0_878498160_boundary" Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv10) Resent-Message-ID: <"mPH5q1.0.pS1.I8DNq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1793 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_878498160_boundary Content-ID: <0_878498160@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Greg, Take a look at this and see if is an improvement on the gererator idea? 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X-Status: 9/2/97 Mr. Watson wrote: snip >Would suggest you read some of the SMOT posts. There is NO input >energy. The ball is PULLED into the SMOT device. This point has been >discussed at length here. Perhaps discussed and denied by you, but never scientifically validated by anyone. >The entry energy question of the SMOT's has been discussed at length >on Freenrg & Vortex. Several times I believe. I believe the general >opinion was that the entry energy was zero or very close thereof. Opinions count for naught in this business. Hard scientific data is needed. There were many opinions about the Tomi until Scott Little proved them invalid with his excellent evaluation. >Scott & Hal did get a 2 ramp link to work. Took a lot of time to get >the first climb and drop to work as well. *Calling Scott* Scott would you please repost your Tomi evaluation for the benefit of all. *Calling Hal and Scott* Mr. Watson has stated, "The fact that I have offered to send SMOT's to the individuals you mentioned for verification and testing also seems to have escaped your notice." Rick Monteverde referenced Mallove, Merriman, Little, or others in his post. Sorry but, Mr. Watson has invoked your names, claiming that you have proven his smot o/u behavior. Seems to be dragging you into confirming his o/u claims. Do you represent your smot experiments as "demonstrating countinous roll around or whatever you consider o/u". If so, please submit a video or any and all valid data to that effect, so all the world may be notified. We do not question the authenticity of your video. Lastly, Mr Watson states very clearly the fact that he has offered to send you a working model of his smot for verification and testing. Has he in fact done so and, if so, have you tested it? >Rick himself posted that he had good results linking additional ramps, >with no apparent slowdown on the ball's progress. There is a photo on >the SMOT main page of Rick's 7 ramp link. Sorry Rick. But Mr. Watson is now invoking you name as an o/u verifier of his smot. The drill is the same as for Hal and Scott. Any proof of o/u behavior. If so, would you please provide proof? Video accepted as authentic. >Some time ago, I made my intentions to seek profit from my devices >very public. I made NO secret of that. I even called for expressions >of interest when I form the Dmec company to market this technology. >Its on the public record. Caveat emptor. >By the way Richard, where do you live? My address and details are >there for all to see. Not relevant. >Who gives YOU the right to judge others? Its when you do that, that I >really start to get steamed. YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO JUDGE OTHERS LIKE >THAT. Just tell us the truth, Mr. Watson. No one quarels with your right to dream and experiment to your hearts content. You may have any opinion you choose. There is a bright line as to how science is to be conducted though. The Scientific Method, despite its blemishes and kludginess, is still very functional and essential in determining the truth. Now you endeavor to foist off on the internet a short circuited, adultered method of scientific discourse. You skillfully use the net to advance you agenda to the disadvantage of an unsuspecting, gullible and uninformed public. Not only I, but all others have the right to demand the truth. This is the right to judge others. >You have every right to judge my designs. PLEASE build one and >comment on whether it works or not. Please review the Scientific Method. It is the responsibility of the originator to construct a hypothesis and test it thoroughly. All experimental evidence must support the hypothesis before the originator may finally advance a theory. It is NOT others responsibility to prove the claims of the originator. The burden of proof is entirely on the inventor to prove his claims without doubt. >Before I release the SMOT Mk4 for shipping, I plan to send a unit from >Adelaide to Perth, have a friend test it, have them ship it to Sydney >to another friend who will retest the unit and then sent it back to me >in Adelaide. Should take about 4-5 days. The present SMOT Mk4 design >should pass that test. Testing by "friends"? No outside verification? Again, another contrived scheme to control information and outside verification of your device. You are now disavowing your promise in this post to send working o/u smots out for verification. Remember your words, "The fact that I have offered to send SMOT's to the individuals you mentioned for verification and testing also seems to have escaped your notice." Believe me, it has escaped no ones notice now. >Ask any SMOT ramp builder if they believe their ramps would survive >that sort of treatment and work in the hands of 2 strangers. The >answer from EVERY builders will be a SOLID NO. >What's the point in shipping touchy / sensitive units half way around >the planet and having them obey Murphy's laws when they arrive? NONE. Everyone familiar with this discussion, will attest that you have informed us that smot mk4 is a commercial device, built, tested and verified by you. And, that it is a fool proof design so that ANYONE can just snap it together out of the box and it will run straight away in o/u mode with only a little polishing. Sounds pretty hardy to me. Now you inform us it is fragile, touchy/sensitive and subject to Murphy's Law. Hmmm. Which is it? Just the truth, Mr. Watson. >I expect better of a professional debunker. What will your clients >think? Clients? Hmmm. "Paranoia strikes deep. And, into your heart it may creep." Bob Dillon Lastly, Rich Murray has recently publically published on this list regarding another topic, but the content is right on target for this discussion. I think all will agree it has a very similar analogy with this discussion. I credit Rich and pass it along. "The natural response of a team caught in the process of collective folly is to hunker down, cease searching for artifacts, release incomplete descriptions, equivocate, bargain fortime, apply spin control to negative reports, offer strictly in-house controlled demonstrations to unqualified appraisers, and keep the muzzle on those few outside scientists who are allowed to attempt replication of the patented cells, while finding enough funding to either establish the inital effect, or find a new, more productive experiment. This is probably the case with BlackLight Power, and may be starting to be the process with the Cincinnati Group." RWW From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Nov 2 14:05:04 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA14911; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 14:04:35 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 14:04:35 -0800 Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 14:03:50 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711022203.OAA11468@denmark.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: Enhanced PM^2 idea.... Resent-Message-ID: <"15rqN3.0.te3.oZFNq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1795 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Stefan, At 01:13 PM 11/2/97 +0100, you wrote: > >>>Now, I began to see how the PM^2 rotary version may be designed. >>> >>>Interesting thing..... > >Maybe one could use not just 2 center magnets as the moving unit, but >4 or 6 magnets spaced like a circle (rectangular spaced). > >This way the flux field of a single dc current wire in a constant >magnetic field could be simulated even better via permanent magnets >(classical electrical motor experiment sheme) and this way not only a torque >could be generated , but a moving force ! > >How do we get the same forces for movement inside a constant magnetic field >with a "permanent-magnet-moving-array" as a single DC current wire gets >in this constant flux field (thus were the 3 fingers right hand rule came >from..) > >Please let me know your view on it. Thanks ! > >Regards, Stefan. I think for the "right-hand rule" DC wire to move in a circle, the magnetic field must be radial, like the E-field inside a coax cable. The DC wire would be parallel to the cylinders. Otherwise, the wire will move in a straight line with a constant field. In a cyclotron, the B field is between 2 flat poles, but the "plasma" current is now in a loop. Now how to get a PM to act as the wire? -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Nov 2 14:08:25 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA15935; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 14:08:10 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 14:08:10 -0800 Message-Id: <199711022206.OAA15400@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: very fast gate drive/magnetic diode Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 01:22:18 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"F1Aoj3.0.mu3.8dFNq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1796 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Jack, > Fred, > I've had no luck with the magnetic diode scheme either. > Possibly the alignment of the MetGlas material I salvaged > from the small toroid is incorrect. I'll get back to this > when I'm able to. > Didn't realize you were trying it :-) Did you notice any changes in magnetization of the Metglas when you put the current through it? According to the published reports the coercive force should change as well as hysteresis curve... Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Nov 2 14:11:11 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA01661; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 14:10:40 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 14:10:40 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 14:10:39 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711022210.OAA13713@denmark.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: SMOT OU Proof Resent-Message-ID: <"H7EnJ.0.sP.UfFNq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1797 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Thanks for your SMOT drawings, Greg I first thought they just showed non recip. operation, which in itself doesn't show OU operation. Think of a mechanical ratchet or a electronic diode. But realize you and the test are showing more, the final rollaway energy. >> The fuzzy part of this test, and why it isn't valid as specified, is >> that you don't indicate the speed of rollaway -- a faster rollaway >> in one direction (presumably from the 7mm elevated case) would >> invalidate your conclusion of non-conservation, I believe. >> -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Nov 2 14:11:19 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA16785; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 14:11:01 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 14:11:01 -0800 X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <345C2A46.31920A77@microtronics.com.au> References: <199711020102.TAA26165@dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 12:07:09 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: Latest Reply to RWW Cc: Vortex-L Resent-Message-ID: <"_xYB73.0.164.qfFNq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1798 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Greg Watson wrote: > Rick himself posted that he had good results > linking additional ramps, with no apparent > slowdown on the ball's progress. There is a photo > on the SMOT main page of Rick's 7 ramp link. Good results in the sense that it was an intriguing learning experience. But I saw no sign of overunity performance. Minor correction: the ball does slow down during the run through my long ramp, although I don't really see why that's significant. It speeds up through roughly the first half, and then slows down through the rest. This is the case when it's run level as well as inclined. In no case did I ever achieve a rollaway with it or any other rig I built. In the case where no level-or-better rollaway occurs, it's still compelling to see the ball scoot quickly through some distance on linked or long ramps. It would seem that quite a bit of friction has been overcome. But the degree to which the ball has become trapped in the final field - the energy that would be required to pull it free at that point, is the indication of the energy spent in the process of 'overcoming' that friction so impressively. The energy state of the ball at the end is very different (lower) than the state it was in when it started. Any determination of an OU energy state under that circumstance would require accurate measurements, and no such measurements have been made, AFAIK. It's not OU when something tumbles down a hillside, noisily crashing through rocks and bushes along the way. Same thing if the slope is made of magnetism rather than the more intuitive and familiar gravity slope of a hillside. The analogy to gravity doesn't work point for point, either. It's as if a ball rolls down one side of a rough surfaced bowl and all the way up to the rim of the other side, but there we find that the ball has become strangely sticky and resistant to being pulled up and out over the rim. Now when you actually *do* get a real rollaway, the objection posed here completely invalidated. That's why I see it as rather convincing proof of OU if done correctly. But I contend that conclusions drawn about non-conservation while a ball ends up trapped in the field at the end are probably not valid. Since all my experiments ended up that way, I can make no OU claim. Apparently Greg's milage varied. I hope he ships those new carburetors soon. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Nov 2 14:25:17 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA02736; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 14:24:00 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 14:24:00 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: leoguitar@mail.vossnet.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Re: Enhanced PM^2 idea.... Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 23:24:06 +0100 Message-Id: <19971102232406.463bbe83.in@pop3.vossnet.de> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx2.eskimo.com id OAA02717 Resent-Message-ID: <"PtFze.0.fg.-rFNq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1799 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 14:03 02.11.1997 -0800, freenrg-l@eskimo.com wrote: >Hi Stefan, >At 01:13 PM 11/2/97 +0100, you wrote: >> >>>>Now, I began to see how the PM^2 rotary version may be designed. >>>> >>>>Interesting thing..... >> >>Maybe one could use not just 2 center magnets as the moving unit, but >>4 or 6 magnets spaced like a circle (rectangular spaced). >> >>This way the flux field of a single dc current wire in a constant >>magnetic field could be simulated even better via permanent magnets >>(classical electrical motor experiment sheme) and this way not only a torque >>could be generated , but a moving force ! >> >>How do we get the same forces for movement inside a constant magnetic field >>with a "permanent-magnet-moving-array" as a single DC current wire gets >>in this constant flux field (thus were the 3 fingers right hand rule came >>from..) >> >>Please let me know your view on it. Thanks ! >> >>Regards, Stefan. >I think for the "right-hand rule" DC wire to move in a circle, the magnetic >field must be radial, like the E-field inside a coax cable. The DC wire >would be parallel to the cylinders. Otherwise, the wire will move in a >straight line with a constant field. In a cyclotron, the B field is between >2 flat poles, but the "plasma" current is now in a loop. Now how to get a PM >to act as the wire? >-Dave > > Hi Dave, am I missing here something, or isn´t it right, that according to the right hand rule ( 3 fingers rule) the dc wire is accelerated at 90 degrees to the constant magnetic field ??? Please let me know. Regards, Stefan. > > -- Hartmann Multimedia Service Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany http://www.harti.com Webmaster of: www.detours.de www.overunity.de www.berlin-city.com email: harti@harti.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Nov 2 14:47:34 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA03550; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 14:47:20 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 14:47:20 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: leoguitar@mail.vossnet.de (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Re: Enhanced PM^2 idea.... Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 23:43:34 +0100 Message-Id: <19971102234334.464d904e.in@pop3.vossnet.de> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx2.eskimo.com id OAA03531 Resent-Message-ID: <"Cd_AO1.0.Nt.rBGNq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1800 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 14:03 02.11.1997 -0800, freenrg-l@eskimo.com wrote: >Hi Stefan, >At 01:13 PM 11/2/97 +0100, you wrote: >> >>>>Now, I began to see how the PM^2 rotary version may be designed. >>>> >>>>Interesting thing..... >> >>Maybe one could use not just 2 center magnets as the moving unit, but >>4 or 6 magnets spaced like a circle (rectangular spaced). >> >>This way the flux field of a single dc current wire in a constant >>magnetic field could be simulated even better via permanent magnets >>(classical electrical motor experiment sheme) and this way not only a torque >>could be generated , but a moving force ! >> >>How do we get the same forces for movement inside a constant magnetic field >>with a "permanent-magnet-moving-array" as a single DC current wire gets >>in this constant flux field (thus were the 3 fingers right hand rule came >>from..) >> >>Please let me know your view on it. Thanks ! >> >>Regards, Stefan. >I think for the "right-hand rule" DC wire to move in a circle, the magnetic >field must be radial, like the E-field inside a coax cable. The DC wire >would be parallel to the cylinders. Otherwise, the wire will move in a >straight line with a constant field. In a cyclotron, the B field is between >2 flat poles, but the "plasma" current is now in a loop. Now how to get a PM >to act as the wire? >-Dave > > Hi Dave, am I missing here something, or isn´t it right, that according to the right hand rule ( 3 fingers rule) the dc wire is accelerated at 90 degrees to the constant magnetic field ??? Please let me know. Please have a look at the GIF picture in: http://members.aol.com/overunity4/nothing/fig2.gif It shows an electril genarator sheme. But if you would use it as a motor, then you have to supply the DC voltage between the 2 stationary conductors and the constant B field will be in x-Axis direction. now the sliding wire moes into y-axis direction. If you would simulate its magntic flux field around it, these are circles. It superimposes the constant flux field in x-direction of the permanent magnet B-field. Now let us find a permanent magnet setup that has the same flux field around it like this single wire and thus this permanent magnet array could also move in the constant stator B-field ! Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany http://www.harti.com Webmaster of: www.detours.de www.overunity.de www.berlin-city.com email: harti@harti.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Nov 2 15:08:09 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA00770; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 15:07:41 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 15:07:41 -0800 X-Sender: leoguitar@mail.vossnet.de (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: BIPEG and CAT group moved ? Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 00:05:36 +0100 Message-Id: <19971103000536.4661bbdd.in@pop3.vossnet.de> Resent-Message-ID: <"zBQ4h2.0.uB.xUGNq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1801 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi, I only get for their http://www.compassnet.com/~isworld/atg.htm File Not found The requested URL /~isworld/atg.htm was not found on this server. Did they move to a different ISP provider ? Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany http://www.harti.com Webmaster of: www.detours.de www.overunity.de www.berlin-city.com email: harti@harti.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Nov 2 15:09:04 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA01084; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 15:08:51 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 15:08:51 -0800 Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 15:08:44 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711022308.PAA25717@germany.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: Enhanced PM^2 idea.... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id PAA01059 Resent-Message-ID: <"dE6qo3.0.mG.2WGNq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1802 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Stefan! At 11:24 PM 11/2/97 +0100, you wrote: >>>>>Now, I began to see how the PM^2 rotary version may be designed. >>>Please let me know your view on it. Thanks ! >>> >>>Regards, Stefan. >>I think for the "right-hand rule" DC wire to move in a circle, the magnetic >>field must be radial, like the E-field inside a coax cable. The DC wire >>would be parallel to the cylinders. Otherwise, the wire will move in a >>straight line with a constant field. In a cyclotron, the B field is between >>2 flat poles, but the "plasma" current is now in a loop. Now how to get a PM >>to act as the wire? >>-Dave >> >> > >Hi Dave, > >am I missing here something, or isn´t it right, that according to the right >hand rule ( 3 fingers rule) the dc wire is accelerated at 90 degrees to the >constant magnetic field ??? > >Please let me know. > Yes this is correct. For the wire to move in a circle, the magnetic field has to be 90 deg. from the circular path and the wire current. The wire moves 90 degrees from the direction of its current. If the wire goes in/out this screen, the circular path is on the screen, then the magnetic field is radial, also on the screen like spokes on a wheel, crossing the circular path at 90 deg. This is different than the animated drawing on J-L page. Another configuration is if the wire moved like the spoke of a wheel, then the magnetic field would be constant in/out the screen. The axle forces a circular motion. This is a "homopolar" motor. -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Nov 2 15:29:52 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA05970; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 15:29:28 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 15:29:28 -0800 Message-ID: <345D0CD0.2ED7997B@microtronics.com.au> Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 09:59:20 +1030 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com, List Server Freenrg Subject: Re: SMOT OU Proof References: <199711021933.NAA15090@mirage.skypoint.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Emdb_3.0.8T1.MpGNq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1803 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: John Logajan wrote: > > Greg Watson wrote: > > > > The first test set-up clearly shows that the interaction of the SMOT > > > > Mk2 magnetic field and the steel ball is NOT conservative. > > > > > > The fuzzy part of this test, and why it isn't valid as specified, is > > > that you don't indicate the speed of rollaway -- a faster rollaway > > > in one direction (presumably from the 7mm elevated case) would > > > invalidate your conclusion of non-conservation, I believe. > > > > The incline height was that required to just get a weak release / > > rollaway in at least 7 out of 10 attempts. In used a 0.5mm increment > > in the tests. > > > > Therefore the rollaway release was as close to the same as I could > > make it. > > I'm afraid that doesn't really quantify it very well -- considering the > claim that it purports to demonstrate. > > But that was only one objection to your demonstration. Another is that > both tests required negative slope angles. Any difference in rollaway > performance (equalized by adjusting the slope) could merely indicate > an asymetrical resistance/dissipative function -- which would not violate > conservation laws. Hi John, Its the >15:1 losses thats the area of interest. I don't really know whats going on inside the ball, but I can't accept that losses are 15 greater in one direction as opposed to the other. Eddy current losses should be equal as they are related to the flux density. Frictional and sliding losses should be greater for ball A as it experiences the greatest accelerational forces (it enters the array through a very high flux gradient and exits through a very slow, linear declining gradient). Ball B enters he array in the normal SMOT way, through a slowly increasing linear flux gradient, then encounters a very steep decreasing flux gradient. This steep exit gradient causes the ball to react as if it had hit a wall. Very little time or distance for frictional losses. As I see it, ball A should encounter more sliding / frictional losses as its acceleration and final velocity are higher (due to the steeply increasing flux graduation at its array entrance) than ball B. If you watch the two balls move through the array, this is very easy to observe. But its ball B which happens to need more entry energy (about 15 times more) to escape from the array. Don't you see that as strange? Not OU. Just an very interesting ferromagnetic anomaly. As we decrease the spacing between the magnetic arrays, the losses increase by the square of the flux density. Isn't ferromagnetic attraction related to the square of the flux density? Don't you see the tie-in? See : http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson/smotlosses.html for the losses versus magnet array spacing test I did quite some time ago. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Nov 2 18:33:38 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA17152; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 18:33:10 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 18:33:10 -0800 Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 20:32:32 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199711030232.UAA22142@dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com> From: rwall@ix.netcom.com (Richard Wayne Wall) Subject: Re: Latest Reply to RWW To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Resent-Message-ID: <"a-Td_2.0.pB4.bVJNq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1804 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: 9/2/97 Stefan Hartmann wrote: >please shut up until Xmas 1997. Don't believe I will. Censorship doesn't appeal to me. snip >And Greg, it really would be nice, if you would publish an MPEG video >on your site or my site before you send the SMOT kits...so we all can >enjoy already virtually what we will get ! :) Well, I see we have common ground here. This doesn't mean an animation. I, for one, do not think Mr. Watson would fake a video, do you? >Also it would really help in your SMOT kit sales ! Your right again. >Many more people would order it then and you might be able to pay the >9000 AUS$ for the plastic molding device. Alas, I'm afraid Mr. Watson has set up an out when he cannot ship his smot by his next deadline. You know, too much cost to make them, etc. This despite the fact that he claims to already have commercially produced and tested them. Now, I have a question for you, Mr. Hartmann. Have you thought about how you will react per chance Mr. Watson renegs again and cannot ship his smot mk4 o/u Rollaround devices by Xmas 1997? Seems to me you've gone way out on a limb rather needlessly. RWW From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Nov 2 19:03:19 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA24584; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 19:03:01 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 19:03:01 -0800 X-Sender: leoguitar@mail.vossnet.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Re: respone to RWW and his Watson critique... Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 04:02:50 +0100 Message-Id: <19971103040250.473aeeb5.in@pop3.vossnet.de> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id TAA24561 Resent-Message-ID: <"OZDjV1.0.__5.ZxJNq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1805 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 20:22 02.11.1997 -0600, Richard Wayne Wall wrote: >9/2/97 > >SH wrote: > >>please shut up until Xmas 1997. > >Don't believe I will. Censorship doesn't appeal to me. > >snip I didn´t mean censorship.... Just calm down for a while..Flame wars never help... > >>And Greg, it really would be nice, if you would publish an MPEG video >>on your site or my site before you send the SMOT kits...so we all can >>enjoy already virtually what we will get ! :) > >Well, I see we have common ground here. This doesn't mean an >animation. I, for one, do not think Mr. Watson would fake a video, do >you? No, he surely would not fake a video nor is it very easy to do it and he has better things to do with his time... >>Also it would really help in your SMOT kit sales ! > >Your right again. Yes, I agree. > >>Many more people would order it then and you might be able to pay the >>9000 AUS$ for the plastic molding device. > >Alas, I'm afraid Mr. Watson has set up an out when he cannot ship his >smot by his next deadline. You know, too much cost to make them, etc. >This despite the fact that he claims to already have commercially >produced and tested them. Well, brand new devices can always get complicated at the last commercial steps... Just look atthe computer industry how long it takes, until software is bug free and is released....just think about Win98, when it should already be out in 97 ! Thus it is pretty sure, that there are delays for a perfect unit to be shipped.. And in this case Greg is a perfectionist, he just does not want to ship 50 % rollaround chance units... > >Now, I have a question for you. Have you thought about how you will >react per chance Mr. Watson renegs again and cannot ship his smot mk4 >o/u Rollaround devices by Xmas 1997? Seems to me you've gone way out >on a limb rather needlessly. Hmm, I just will wait and maybe try it already myself with the parts I already bought.... I only still need a few new magnets, but as it is pretty tricky to mechanically setup and adjust and I don´t have much time to fiddle around with it I probably better wait til I get my SMOT from Greg... Others very smart guys also tried it and only Epitaxy got a rollaround until now as I know of... Also I have an older friend who has worked on a permanent magnet motor in the 1960s and he also got something to work at this time, after 4 weeks of hard work of fine tuning every magnet spacing... and he used many magnets in this rotary design.. The unit just turned and overcame the friction, he went to the patent office, did get a bad reply, let it run on his window table for half a year without it slowing down, but then got angry about the patent office decision and then he smashed the unit and used the magnets to build something else. When I got to know him in the 1980s I convinced him to build it again, but he never tried hard enough to really build it up again like this before, cause he now wanted to build up a big power output device and not his old "just turning" device... Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany http://www.harti.com Webmaster of: www.detours.de www.overunity.de www.berlin-city.com email: harti@harti.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Nov 2 19:20:46 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA28515; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 19:20:10 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 19:20:10 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971102211901.0072b2c8@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 21:19:01 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: Re: very fast gate drive/magnetic diode In-Reply-To: <199711022206.OAA15400@mail1.halcyon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"YWfLm2.0.Pz6.eBKNq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1806 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Fred, All.... At 01:22 11/3/97 -0800, Fred wrote: >Didn't realize you were trying it :-) Did you notice any changes in >magnetization of the Metglas when you put the current through it? >According to the published reports the coercive force should change as well >as hysteresis curve... The hysteresis curve definitely changes. I haven't done anything to test the coercive force. Best Regards, Jack ---------------------------------------------------------- "Tell me if you like this one." - Count Rochefocault mules@palacenet.net ---------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Nov 2 19:23:27 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA29598; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 19:23:07 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 19:23:07 -0800 X-Sender: richarda@mailhub.icx.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199711021950.NAA12450@dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 22:13:03 -0400 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Richard Austin Subject: Re: Latest Reply to RWW Resent-Message-ID: <"hxQ8y3.0.HE7.OEKNq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1807 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I suggest that the group ignore all posts by Richard Wayne Wall. He's obviously got problems... He does not know how to be a considerate humane being. He's on an ego trip. He's probably got an agenda set up by someone else. Probably paid. Let's just ignore his rants. Richard Austin -- email: richarda@icx.net -- radio: KG7SU Check out the Institute for Planetary Renewal at http://user.icx.net/~richarda From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Nov 2 19:36:27 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA32113; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 19:34:12 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 19:34:12 -0800 From: tbaur@lynx.net.au (Tony Baur) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Latest Reply to RWW Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 03:33:46 GMT Message-ID: <345e45b6.9179063@mail.lynx.net.au> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.10/32.448 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id TAA32069 Resent-Message-ID: <"DsM2Z2.0.Yr7.pOKNq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1808 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Sun, 2 Nov 1997 22:13:03 -0400, you wrote: > >I suggest that the group ignore all posts by Richard Wayne Wall. >He's obviously got problems... > >He does not know how to be a considerate humane being. >He's on an ego trip. >He's probably got an agenda set up by someone else. Probably paid. > >Let's just ignore his rants. > > >Richard Austin -- email: richarda@icx.net -- radio: KG7SU >Check out the Institute for Planetary Renewal at http://user.icx.net/~richarda I'd go further than that. - his posts constitute ouright flames and trolls and invite removal from the list. What say you Bill? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Nov 2 19:45:36 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA03329; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 19:45:21 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 19:45:21 -0800 Message-ID: <345D4882.6658E689@microtronics.com.au> Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 14:14:02 +1030 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List Server Freenrg CC: List Server Vortex Subject: Rmog Mk3 Design up Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"5wXeV1.0.np.EZKNq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1809 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: HI All, I have posted the design of the Rmog Mk3. This design is currently in construction / development / testing. Will post full details and PHOTOS when I am finished testing. I believe the design will be able to be retro fitted to the 3 existing Rmod Mk1 units I know about. Please wait for me to finish my testing before you start modifying your existing units. What say you, Rmog Mk1 builders? My home page's "Go to XXXXXXX Update" is working again. I am planning to upgrade my lab to full colour still, scope & video capability soon. I have asked Stefan and Jean-Louis for suggestions on how they do their excellent work. Anyone else have suggestions / recommendations? I am all ears. (And eyes) -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Nov 2 19:51:10 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA04877; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 19:50:56 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 19:50:56 -0800 Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 21:50:13 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199711030350.VAA05105@dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com> From: rwall@ix.netcom.com (Richard Wayne Wall) Subject: Re: Latest Reply to RWW To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Resent-Message-ID: <"ab9DU1.0.6C1.VeKNq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1810 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: RA wrote: > > >I suggest that the group ignore all posts by Richard Wayne Wall. snip >Let's just ignore his rants. > > >Richard Austin Precisely as I suggested to Mr. Decker. If you do not understand it and it offends you --- just ignor it. RWW From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Nov 2 20:16:10 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA13662; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 20:15:54 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 20:15:54 -0800 Message-ID: <345D7552.2F2E@keelynet.com> Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 22:55:14 -0800 From: Jerry Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: No Future with RWW References: <199711030350.VAA05105@dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"_CGHi3.0.HL3.u_KNq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1811 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Richard Wayne Wall wrote: > > RA wrote: > > > > > >I suggest that the group ignore all posts by Richard Wayne Wall. > > snip > > >Let's just ignore his rants. > > > > > >Richard Austin > > Precisely as I suggested to Mr. Decker. If you do not understand it > and it offends you --- just ignor it. > > RWW Understanding it is not the case, nor is offense, but proof on an individual basis.....a self-appointed polltaker who has not even attempted to build the device nor paid any money to order one, then screaming about fraud 'on behalf' of others.... RA is correct, your posts will be ignored in future since they have proven incapable of providing useful information or insight. Enjoy your company with Randi and Klass. -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://www.keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / KeelyNet BBS (214) 324-3501 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite, Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Nov 2 20:20:00 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA14708; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 20:19:38 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 20:19:38 -0800 Message-Id: <199711030419.UAA29894@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: very fast gate drive/magnetic diode Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 08:13:15 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"sKLbc2.0.bb3.O3LNq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1812 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Jack! > >Didn't realize you were trying it :-) Did you notice any changes in > >magnetization of the Metglas when you put the current through it? > >According to the published reports the coercive force should change as well > >as hysteresis curve... > > The hysteresis curve definitely changes. > I haven't done anything to test the > coercive force. > Could wrap a coil around it and a tank and get a parametric output. Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Nov 2 21:51:38 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA03781; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 21:51:28 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 21:51:28 -0800 Message-ID: <345D65E6.2DCF@darknet.net> Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 00:49:26 -0500 From: Steve Reply-To: darklord@darknet.net Organization: DarkNet Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: site address? (off topic post) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"9jBX21.0.-w.TPMNq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1813 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi everyone, does anyone know the web address for Lindsay's Technical Books? thanks! -Steve King From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Nov 3 00:34:55 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA03548; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 00:34:42 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 00:34:42 -0800 Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 00:34:34 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711030834.AAA13347@sweden.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: Rmog Mk3 Design up Resent-Message-ID: <"KgnTM2.0.Ft.WoONq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1814 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Greg, At 02:14 PM 11/3/97 +1030, you wrote: >I believe the design will be able to be retro fitted to the 3 existing >Rmod Mk1 units I know about. Please wait for me to finish my testing >before you start modifying your existing units. > >What say you, Rmog Mk1 builders? > I will find some Neodym. magnets and more ferrite, so will take some time anyway. It appears you are using your original idea, especially point #9: fluxgate doesn't enter the gap or it appears to be a non OU fluxgate (The Mk1 used the coil timing to do the same, I quessed), and #10: energy in stiff (Neodym.) magnets(vs. ceramic). My Rmog now runs well as a powered motor with 4 fluxgates, 4 magnets, and 2 coils + opto sensor timing. The reed switch died. -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Nov 3 06:21:41 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA25549; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 06:21:06 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 06:21:06 -0800 From: bpaddock@csonline.net (Bob Paddock) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Silvertooth Interferometer made simple, Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 08:18:49 -0500 Organization: is mostly via piles Reply-To: bpaddock@csonline.net Message-ID: <58cX0UQy8ErY092yn@csonline.net> References: <3.0.3.32.19971102165954.00cc2560@bahnhof.se> In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19971102165954.00cc2560@bahnhof.se> Lines: 47 Resent-Message-ID: <"FNRNn2.0.-E6.FtTNq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1815 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >> The experiment was originally published by Silvertooth (in Nature, I >> think) Marinov did a replication of Silvertooth's experiment. Some thing I saved from the KeelyNet message base in 1992: ----------------------------------------------------------------- By Erol Torun 07/20/92 from the KeelyNet BBS. "Concerning the Silvertooth experiment: The Michelson-Morley experiment, which did not show any translational motion through an aether or other medium of propagation, was later shown to have a fundamental flaw: The standing waves that are reflected back onto a mirror become phase locked on the mirror, and hence to its motion through space. Silvertooth built a standing wave experiment that avoids the phase locking encountered in the Michelson-Morley setup. It uses a configuration similar to the Sagnac experiment, which many years ago did detect motion relative to an aether. Silvertooth's addition was a sensor capable of measuring the spacing between standing wave nodes. This spacing is dependent upon the orientation of the apparatus relative to the Earth's motion, and this fact made the Earth's motion measurable. Silvertooth measured the 378 km/s motion of the Earth in this experiment. Some references are: Silvertooth, E.W., "Experimental Detection of the Ether", Speculations in Science and Technology, Vol.10, No.1, page 3 (1987) In that same issue beginning on page 9, is an excellent "Plain English" summary by H. Aspden entitled 'On the Silvertooth Experiment'." [We are heading toward the Constellation Leo.] ----------------------------------------------------------------- Now does any one have these articles? Every six months or so I put in a request at my local, useless, Library for them. -- For information on any of the following check out my WEB site at: http://www.usachoice.net/bpaddock Chemical Free Air Conditioning/No CFC's, Chronic Pain Relief, Electromedicine, Electronics, Explore!, Free Energy, Full Disclosure, KeelyNet, Matric Limited, Neurophone, Oil City PA, Philadelphia Experiment. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Nov 3 08:09:38 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA24900; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 08:09:11 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 08:09:11 -0800 Message-Id: <199711031510.QAA45822@sdn5.csc.dk> From: i3683@csc.dk (I3683) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 16:01:00 CET Subject: Ang.: Re: Silvertooth Interferometer made simple, MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id IAA24538 Resent-Message-ID: <"gqKGW.0.r46.aSVNq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1816 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >Some references are: Silvertooth, E.W., >"Experimental Detection of the Ether", Speculations >in Science and Technology, Vol.10, No.1, page 3 (1987) >In that same issue beginning on page 9, is an >excellent "Plain English" summary by H. Aspden >entitled 'On the Silvertooth Experiment'." .. >Now does any one have these articles? Every six months >or so I put in a request at my local, useless, Library >for them. I have read the articles. It is not unlikely that I have copies in my archives. But it is unlikely I can find them... You should find a more useful library to work with.. Anders From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Nov 3 08:47:33 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA02813; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 08:47:13 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 08:47:13 -0800 Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 11:41:35 -0500 From: uban@world.std.com (Jim Uban) Message-Id: <199711031641.AA03656@world.std.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, rwall@ix.netcom.com Subject: stifle it! Resent-Message-ID: <"brXcR3.0.kh.E0WNq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1817 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: [Responding to Richard Wayne Wall's many negative comments to Greg Watson] Hi Richard, I must ask you to keep your critical mode under control when posting to freenrg list. Your comments to Greg Watson are not appropriate to this list. Reread the freenrg list charter. We are all here a 'nest of true believers' and thus willing to extend to all posters the benefit of the doubt w/r/t their posted claims. In fact, the requirement of using this list is a high tolerance of very unusual ideas and claims. And further, many are very interested in these claims. Your kinds of comments to Greg are what one would expect to see on sci.physics.fusion or even alt.sci.physics.new-theories, and reasonably so there. But, those comments are not sanctioned here. Please reread the freenrg charter and get in line with it or get out! Thanks, Jim From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Nov 3 14:23:25 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA15938; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 14:22:29 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 14:22:29 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <345E4E96.25DDF56@microtronics.com.au> Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 08:52:14 +1030 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: List Server Vortex Subject: Rmog Mk3 Self Running Achieved References: <199711030834.AAA13347@sweden.it.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"EoS1y.0.su3.VwaNq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1818 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dave Dameron wrote: > > Hi Greg, > At 02:14 PM 11/3/97 +1030, you wrote: > > >I believe the design will be able to be retro fitted to the 3 existing > >Rmod Mk1 units I know about. Please wait for me to finish my testing > >before you start modifying your existing units. > > > >What say you, Rmog Mk1 builders? > > > I will find some Neodym. magnets and more ferrite, so will take some time > anyway. Building stuff ALWAYS takes more time than you thought it would. I always seem to get ideas on how to build it better once I start actually working. Wish I had foresight and knew what I knew before I started to build. > It appears you are using your original idea, especially point #9: fluxgate > doesn't enter the gap or it appears to be a non OU fluxgate (The Mk1 used > the coil timing to do the same, I quessed), and #10: energy in stiff > (Neodym.) magnets(vs. ceramic). The Mk3 design change was done to reduce non Dmec magnetic stresses to a min. The flux gate can enter the air gap as in the Mk1 & Mk2 designs. The only problem is that entering the air gap results in much greater magnetic stresses and requires really solid construction. The Mk3 design is much more forgiving. As to the timing change, its ALL related to how and when the Dmec effect can be made to happen. Once you understand how the flux distortion works, then coil short timing is simple to understand. The Mk3 coil short is longer because the flux gate is in the Dmec area for half of the time. In the Mk1 & Mk2 designs, the coil short timing was shorter because the flux gate is in the Dmec area for a shorter period of time. The Mk3 design also makes the coil short timing easier to control. No external elements are needed. All the info is in the Emf waveform from the sense coil wound on stator 2. This design is self timed and will work in either direction. FLASH >>>>>>>>>>>>> Use a cap to couple the sense coil output to the op amp. Then use a weak pull-up (1meg) directly on the op amp's input to cause the fet to turn on if there is no coil output. This will result in the Mk3 design self starting in the "Motor" mode. Currently I have to spin the rotor up by hand, it will not self start. Will modify the circuit. FLASH END >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The use of NeoDym magnets helps the Dmec effect as the much stiffer domains resist realignment by the opposing coil flux and cause more external flux distortion. Ceramics will still work, but the coils opposing flux actually causes some domain movement in the magnet, reducing the magnets pole face flux density. This weakens the external flux and results in less external flux to distort. Remember its external flux distortion that causes the Dmec effect to work. So NeoDym magnets ARE better than ceramics because they are stiffer, but the higher magnetic stresses require stronger construction. It you can't get a 0.5mm air gap and NeoDyms to work, either beef of the mechanical stiffness or go back to ceramics. With my rotors, the flux gates are VERY flush. Here we want min air resistance. Why waste energy? I find 5 sheets of 80Gsm A4 paper is very close to 0.5mm and is what I use to "Gap" my Mk3 unit. > My Rmog now runs well as a powered motor with 4 fluxgates, 4 magnets, and 2 > coils + opto sensor timing. The reed switch died. > -Dave Hi Dave, The Dmec effect is there. Its a weak force and requires very good magnetic thrust balancing and a understanding of what is required to make it stronger. My rotor is notchy, but rotates smoothly with very little bearing thrust loads. The bearings are VERY solidly mounted. I then use a cut down nylon washer that only touches the inner bearing race and a brass collar. The spacing between the bearings is 32mm. My twin stators are mounted together. I can slide them closer or further away as required. I am working on the optimal stator to flux gate position in regard to notch and Dmec effects. I can get Motor action with as little as 1.2v. I have had self running operation at about 80rpm with the ceramic magnets. Started at 300rpm and switched to motor. Dropped very slowly to 80rpm. Didn't expect that, but seem to remember one of the Mech Eng guys saying that rotary losses increased with the square of the Rpm. It was weak and a finger on the rotor stopped it. I expect better results with the NeoDym. The QField sims show a much improved flux distortion. Much more later. Got to go into town and get the NeoDyms. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Nov 3 16:22:55 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA23962; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 16:21:47 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 16:21:47 -0800 (PST) From: bpaddock@csonline.net (Bob Paddock) Newsgroups: list.freenrg1 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: New High Voltage Insulator Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 19:20:54 -0500 Organization: is mostly via piles Reply-To: bpaddock@csonline.net Message-ID: Lines: 32 Resent-Message-ID: <"Ih1u81.0.Js5.PgcNq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1819 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I came across some thing in the Oct/1997 issue of Sensors Magazine thought a few of you might be interested in. "Ultra High Gradient Insulator Supports 200,000 V/cm: A new insulator capable of sustaining 200,00 V/cm of electricity for each centimeter of material, or ~4 times that of conventual devices of similar size has been developed by a team of researches from Lawrence Livermore and Allied-Signal. The key technical advance of this ultra high gradient insulator (UGHI) is a Dagwood sandwich of extremely thin layers of *CONDUCTING* material alternating with layers of insulating materials. Thus far, tests have been carried out on insulators made of polycarbonate with conducting layers of copper (which support 2000,000 V/cm, in contrast to the 50,000 V/cm sustainable by conventional plastic materials); fused silica (175,000 V/cm vs. 35,000 V/cm for glass insulators); and alumina (125,000 V/cm vs. 30,000 V/cm for devices now in use). The glass and alumina versions have layers ~3/100 in. thick, with 40 layers per centimeter. The layers are separated by slices of gold and chrome with a thickness of several atoms. The secret appears to be that the conductive layers evenly distribute voltage across the insulator's surface, preventing a breakdown.... ...contact ultra-hgi@llnl.gov" for more info. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Nov 3 17:07:34 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA11190; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 17:07:00 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 17:07:00 -0800 Message-ID: <345E9FF0.3194@tiac.net> Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 20:09:20 -0800 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Latest Reply to RWW References: <199711021950.NAA12450@dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"PVukE3.0.lk2.pKdNq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1820 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Richard Wayne Wall wrote: > >Who gives YOU the right to judge others? Its when you do that, that I > >really start to get steamed. YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO JUDGE OTHERS LIKE > >THAT. Greg, have you ever heard of 'Peer review' perhaps? > Just tell us the truth, Mr. Watson. No one quarels with your right to > dream and experiment to your hearts content. You may have any opinion > you choose. There is a bright line as to how science is to be > conducted though. The Scientific Method, despite its blemishes and > kludginess, is still very functional and essential in determining the > truth. Now you endeavor to foist off on the internet a short > circuited, adultered method of scientific discourse. You skillfully > use the net to advance you agenda to the disadvantage of an > unsuspecting, gullible and uninformed public. Not only I, but all > others have the right to demand the truth. This is the right to judge > others. Agreed! > >You have every right to judge my designs. PLEASE build one and > >comment on whether it works or not. > > Please review the Scientific Method. It is the responsibility of the > originator to construct a hypothesis and test it thoroughly. All > experimental evidence must support the hypothesis before the originator > may finally advance a theory. It is NOT others responsibility to prove > the claims of the originator. The burden of proof is entirely on the > inventor to prove his claims without doubt. Or you can give people a chance to see what they already beleive in. People are objective enough, right? If we already know what we are looking for then we really don't need all that scientific method stuff now do we? > >Ask any SMOT ramp builder if they believe their ramps would survive > >that sort of treatment and work in the hands of 2 strangers. The > >answer from EVERY builders will be a SOLID NO. > > >What's the point in shipping touchy / sensitive units half way around > >the planet and having them obey Murphy's laws when they arrive? NONE. > > Everyone familiar with this discussion, will attest that you have > informed us that smot mk4 is a commercial device, built, tested and > verified by you. And, that it is a fool proof design so that ANYONE > can just snap it together out of the box and it will run straight away > in o/u mode with only a little polishing. Sounds pretty hardy to me. > Now you inform us it is fragile, touchy/sensitive and subject to > Murphy's Law. Hmmm. Which is it? Just the truth, Mr. Watson. Yet another apparent contradiction from Mr. Watson. I have some experience with these. Good luck Rick. > >I expect better of a professional debunker. What will your clients > >think? > > Clients? Hmmm. > > "Paranoia strikes deep. > And, into your heart it may creep." Bob Dillon Thinking Rick is a professional debunker eh? Blind paranoia Greg. Quoting Dillon though, personally, I'd have to pay a professional debunker extra for using Dillon words so aptly. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Nov 3 17:41:53 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA19769; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 17:41:29 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 17:41:29 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971103193938.00c2a87c@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 19:39:38 -0600 To: bpaddock@csonline.net, freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: Re: New High Voltage Insulator In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"VxX95.0.nq4.7rdNq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1821 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Bob, All.... At 19:20 11/3/97 -0500, Bob Paddock wrote: >>The secret appears to be that the conductive layers evenly >distribute voltage across the insulator's surface, >preventing a breakdown.... They've known this for a very long time. This is a capacitance graded bushing/insulator. It must be the construction practice, and selection of materials, that is novel. Sounds like they are sputtering the conducting layers on. These days it's usually layers of metal foil cast in epoxy. Best Regards, JD ---------------------------------------------------------- "Tell me if you like this one." - Count Rochefocault mules@palacenet.net ---------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Nov 3 17:55:16 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA23363; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 17:54:32 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 17:54:32 -0800 Message-Id: <199711040154.RAA31213@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: "Free Energy" Subject: Re: New High Voltage Insulator Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 05:51:45 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"fLa6X2.0.ri5.K1eNq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1822 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Bob! > I came across some thing in the Oct/1997 issue of Sensors > Magazine thought a few of you might be interested in. > > "Ultra High Gradient Insulator Supports 200,000 V/cm: > Thanks for the info, this looks like it would come in handy in T. Townsend Brown type experiments, among others. Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Nov 3 18:15:00 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA29487; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 18:14:08 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 18:14:08 -0800 Message-ID: <345EAE3D.2CD4@motown.lmco.com> Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 21:10:21 -0800 From: francis x roarty Reply-To: froarty@motown.lmco.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: bpaddock@csonline.net Subject: Re: New High Voltage Insulator References: <3.0.1.32.19971103193938.00c2a87c@palacenet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Onv_T1.0.NC7.kJeNq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1823 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Jack DeMule wrote: > > Hi Bob, All.... > > At 19:20 11/3/97 -0500, Bob Paddock wrote: > >>The secret appears to be that the conductive layers evenly > >distribute voltage across the insulator's surface, > >preventing a breakdown.... Hi All, sounds like it would form capacitors and evenly divide the potential by the number of conductive layers "through" the capacitor as well. good plan if you can keep the conductors thin enough. On the subject of new products; What has become of aerojel capacitors and whatever happened to the radar on a chip L.L.L. spinoff that was supposed to see rebarb through concrete and lead to low cost medical imaging? Frank From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Nov 3 18:31:45 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA01009; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 18:31:16 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 18:31:16 -0800 Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 21:31:03 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711040231.VAA29372@freenet5.carleton.ca.carleton.ca> From: dy288@freenet.carleton.ca (Gregory Watson) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Latest Reply to RWW Reply-To: dy288@freenet.carleton.ca Resent-Message-ID: <"SmZ6C3.0.KF.nZeNq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1824 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Bob Shannon wrote: > >Richard Wayne Wall wrote: > > > >> "Paranoia strikes deep. >> And, into your heart it may creep." Bob Dillon > >Thinking Rick is a professional debunker eh? Blind paranoia Greg. > >Quoting Dillon though, personally, I'd have to pay a professional >debunker extra for using Dillon words so aptly. > I realize this isn't a musical mailing list, but as a musician (my interest in free energy stems mainly from the work/writings of John Keely) I feel obliged to point out that the above quote was not Bob Dylan's (or Bob Dillon's (sic) for that matter), but from the Buffalo Springfield song "For What It's Worth" (1967). Sorry if this is off topic, but misquotes bother me. Sincerely, Greg Watson (how's that for confusing) -- /*** |*** /*** /*** | Gregory "GROG" Watson |* |* >* |* \* |* | dy288@freenet.carleton.ca |* |** |*** |* /* |* |** | www.ncf.carleton.ca/~dy288/ \*** |* \* \*** \*** | The OAM / The Knurlings From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Nov 3 18:46:37 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA04797; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 18:46:09 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 18:46:09 -0800 Message-Id: <199711040245.AAA11320@bigbox.plug-in.com.br> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Marcelo Puhl" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 00:46:59 -3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: New High Voltage Insulator Reply-to: mark@plug-in.com.br Priority: normal In-reply-to: <345EAE3D.2CD4@motown.lmco.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Resent-Message-ID: <"8UPJp.0.qA1.lneNq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1825 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > > > > At 19:20 11/3/97 -0500, Bob Paddock wrote: > > >>The secret appears to be that the conductive layers evenly > > >distribute voltage across the insulator's surface, > > >preventing a breakdown.... > Hi All, > sounds like it would form capacitors and evenly divide the potential by > the number of conductive layers "through" the capacitor as well. good > plan if you can keep the conductors thin enough. > Frank > Conductive layers ? What will be the difference ? 200kV/cm or 100kV/cm/2 or 50kV/cm/4 ? I didn't understand that. Marcelo From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Nov 3 19:17:53 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA10815; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 19:17:34 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 19:17:34 -0800 Message-ID: <345EBCF2.698E@motown.lmco.com> Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 22:13:06 -0800 From: francis x roarty Reply-To: froarty@motown.lmco.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mark@plug-in.com.br CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: New High Voltage Insulator References: <199711040245.AAA11320@bigbox.plug-in.com.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"JegSP1.0.te2.CFfNq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1826 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Marcelo Puhl wrote: > > > > > > > At 19:20 11/3/97 -0500, Bob Paddock wrote: > > > >>The secret appears to be that the conductive layers evenly > > > >distribute voltage across the insulator's surface, > > > >preventing a breakdown.... > > Hi All, > > sounds like it would form capacitors and evenly divide the potential by > > the number of conductive layers "through" the capacitor as well. good > > plan if you can keep the conductors thin enough. > > Frank > > > > Conductive layers ? What will be the difference ? > > 200kV/cm or 100kV/cm/2 or 50kV/cm/4 ? > > I didn't understand that. > > Marcelo Theoretically it wouldn't make any difference but there is no such thing as a perfect insulator, breakdowns and punch throughs occur because of material inconsistencies, contaminants and of course exceeding the insulators voltage breakdown. If the "flaw" in a capacitors insulator is isolated between several "plates" the charge is re-distrbuted at the first plate it encounters. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Nov 3 19:33:21 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA13893; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 19:31:06 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 19:31:06 -0800 From: HLafonte@aol.com Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 22:30:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971103201121_-2043684346@emout05.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Test (Delete) Resent-Message-ID: <"ZH79B2.0.vO3.uRfNq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1827 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Test (Delete) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Nov 3 19:33:25 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA24923; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 19:32:25 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 19:32:25 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <345EAE3D.2CD4@motown.lmco.com> References: <3.0.1.32.19971103193938.00c2a87c@palacenet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 17:28:54 -1000 To: Free Energy List From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: New High Voltage Insulator Resent-Message-ID: <"28AEt.0.F56.3TfNq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1828 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Frank - > [...] whatever happened to the radar on a chip L.L.L. > spinoff that was supposed to see rebarb through > concrete and lead to low cost medical imaging? Been to Sears lately? - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Nov 3 19:52:30 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA19279; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 19:52:18 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 19:52:18 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 15:42:35 -0800 Subject: Re: stifle it! Message-ID: <19971103.194830.4462.3.Jahuti@juno.com> References: <199711031641.AA03656@world.std.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-34 From: jahuti@juno.com (Michael Morrison) Resent-Message-ID: <"LzgUp3.0.7j4.nlfNq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1829 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 3 Nov 1997 11:41:35 -0500 uban@world.std.com (Jim Uban) writes: > >[Responding to Richard Wayne Wall's many > negative comments to Greg Watson] > >Hi Richard, > I must ask you to keep your critical >mode under control when posting to freenrg >list. Your comments to Greg Watson are not >appropriate to this list. Reread the freenrg >list charter. We are all here a 'nest of true >believers' and thus willing to extend to all >posters the benefit of the doubt w/r/t their >posted claims. In fact, the requirement of >using this list is a high tolerance of very >unusual ideas and claims. And further, many >are very interested in these claims. > Your kinds of comments to Greg are >what one would expect to see on sci.physics.fusion >or even alt.sci.physics.new-theories, and >reasonably so there. But, those comments are not >sanctioned here. > Please reread the freenrg charter >and get in line with it or get out! > Thanks, Jim > > I vote for Richard. Constructive criticism is a necessary part of science. Or is this a religious group? If so, you'd better un-subscribe me too. -- --Michael Morrison Target ICBMs or cruise missles to 38.406N 122.735W From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Nov 3 19:52:48 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA19323; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 19:52:33 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 19:52:33 -0800 Message-ID: <345EC560.75F1@motown.lmco.com> Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 22:49:05 -0800 From: francis x roarty Reply-To: froarty@motown.lmco.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: New High Voltage Insulator References: <3.0.1.32.19971103193938.00c2a87c@palacenet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"DkNdb2.0.pj4._lfNq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1830 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Rick Monteverde wrote: > > Frank - > > > [...] whatever happened to the radar on a chip L.L.L. > > spinoff that was supposed to see rebarb through > > concrete and lead to low cost medical imaging? > > Been to Sears lately? > > - Rick Monteverde > Honolulu, HI Hi Rick, Do you remember the scene from Independence day where he goes out to pick up his paper and notices all his neighbors leaving but doesn't see the huge spaceship in the background? We also have a tv advertisement for the Philadelphia Inquire where you you hear someone calling out their backdoor for their little dog and then a scene flash to the paper on the frontstep with the headline "Lion escapes; loose in local neighborhood" the voice over says "Don't you hate being the last to know?" Well I guess I will have to get down to Sears because if your serious this one snuck past me. Frank From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Nov 3 20:14:45 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA07831; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 20:14:05 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 20:14:05 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971103220111.00bde2f8@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 22:01:11 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: Re: New High Voltage Insulator In-Reply-To: <345EBCF2.698E@motown.lmco.com> References: <199711040245.AAA11320@bigbox.plug-in.com.br> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"P2Y7N1.0.Gw1.A4gNq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1831 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi, All.... At 22:13 11/3/97 -0800, francis x roarty wrote: >Theoretically it wouldn't make any difference but there is no such thing >as a perfect insulator, breakdowns and punch throughs occur because of >material inconsistencies, contaminants and of course exceeding the >insulators voltage breakdown. If the "flaw" in a capacitors insulator is >isolated between several "plates" the charge is re-distrbuted at the >first plate it encounters. The conductors are used to shape the voltage gradient an prevent the insulator from breaking down in the first place. The voltage distribution across a simple insulator is very non-uniform. This results in inefficient use of the insulating material, and a larger insulator than the voltage is uniformly distributed. There may be over 150 layers of foil contained within a 400KV transformer bushing. Sometimes a simple insulator is contoured to help distribute the stress more evenly, but gradient foils are more effective. Best Regards, JD ---------------------------------------------------------- "Tell me if you like this one." - Count Rochefocault mules@palacenet.net ---------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Nov 3 20:42:23 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA16121; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 20:41:35 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 20:41:35 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 20:41:26 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711040441.UAA08785@germany.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: mrandall@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Michael Randall Subject: fwd: longitudinal magneto-dielectricity Resent-Message-ID: <"ttye01.0.dx3.xTgNq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1832 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >From: tjb@hemp.co.nz >Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 10:17:01 +1300 >X-Sender: jinshan1@pop.ihug.co.nz (Unverified) >To: Michael Randall >Subject: longitudinal magneto-dielectricity > >Hi Michael, haven't forgotten, just been a very busy period, with new >product launch, unexpected travel committments, and an attack of RSI by >typeing too much into the computer. Here's the answer I started writing to >the F/E list. Feel free to post any parts of it you want, I'm currently not >subscribing as I have too much on my plate at present & have to focus on >basics of life. > > >At 22:17 15/10/97 -0700, Michael Randall wrote: >>Hi Thomas, >> >>Just wanted to say that I really enjoyed reading and viewing your research >>developments that you accomplished while at Borderlands Labs and in the >>journal. Your breakthrough experiments into replicating Tesla's work in >>longitudinal electricity, as you demonstrated in the two Borderland video's, >>are classic's. > >still available at www.borderlands.com, the experiments will always work and >will always show that classical electrical theory is only half the picture, >apparently the lesser half. > >>Several researchers have even reproduced the LMD experiment >>that demonstrates that the magnetic and dielectric components of electricity >>are in space and time conjunction. Something that conventional EM theory >>says was only possible in space and time quadrature. > >So much for conventional theory as a complete picture... Nothing like a >physical experiment to overrule a belief system. > >>I am still fascinated >>with Eric Dollard's Tesla Magnifying Transmitter of the photo (Borderlands >>2nd Qtr '96) showing the electric discharge that looked like a tree! Wow! > >You should have seen it live! Dependent on frequency and pulse width Eric >could tune in discharges appearing like lush plants or scrawny desert >vegetation. Above coil resonance would provide root-like forms, below >resonance were the above-ground forms. It was all very organic, and Eric >always said that he was using the growth side of electricity, whereas >conventional theory and equipment only deals with the decay side (and >mistakenly assumes it to be the whole). > >>Did you and Eric do any other video's or have a write up on developing the >>LMD circuit for over-unity energy production? Was it possible? If so can >>you talk about it? > >Getting Dollard to write up his experiments was like pulling teeth from a >rhino, and I didn't have the technical capacity to do it for him (though >there are probably 15 or so unpublished notebooks of Dollard's engineering >math in the Borderland archives). We did discuss it quite a bit over the years. > >After all those years of looking at "free energy" devices I still don't >believe in over-unity - as far as closing a loop on a generator or charging >system. Over-efficiency, yes, but over-efficiency and over-unity are NOT the >same thing and to assume so is a grave error. Radar tubes are over 100% >efficient if you take the heat into calculation. Efficiency is based on a >belief that all energy works like measurements taken on some historical >experiments. This was quite well elaborated by Peter Lindemann in his >"Thermodynamics & Free Energy" article in Borderlands magazine (now posted >at: http://www.gold-mountain.co.nz/aereon/archive.html ... Robert Adams also >reprinted this article in the addendum to his manual and very much >understands this situation. > >As for Dollard's work in relation to over-unity, he always pointed out that >the TMT was a collector of the "luminiferous aether" which was excited by >electricity originating in standard polyphase generators. The etheric >accumulation is far above the coil excitement, but I don't think it is >over-unity in the sense that a loop can be closed on it to run itself. But >you could power the world with the TEM hydroelectricity from say Niagra >Falls being used to excite the Wardenclyffe Tower into propagating LMD >waves. Whilst providing the world with free energy (as long as you're not >paying the privelege to use it) this is no more over-unity than Trevor >Constable's etheric weather engineering apparatus where a small geometric >shape (of specific material arrangement) is spun by a small DC motor or >placed on a moving auto, and it has, in numersous well documented cases >dropped untold thousands of tons of water from the sky -- to flood levels at >times. Of course if you calculate the water's ability to run hydroelectric >then you are so far "over-unity" that it makes other inventions pale in >comparison. But the rain doesn't always drop where you want, and merely >engineering for rain without comprehension of the global etheric energy >structure is quite dangerous. Relieving drought is not the same as simply >making it rain (though one could be excused for misunderstanding the >similarity in result). Weather engineering is not conducive to a closed loop >system, and the TMT still needs its outside excitement. > >Tesla's car is another matter, but I have not seen any technical information >to make a judgement on it either way. Perhaps he figured how to tap the >ether without excitement (Trevor's only excitement is motion) or used an >extremely minute excitement/vibration in his tube. Some of Gerry Vassilatos' >research (again from Borderlands) indicates that Tesla was also >experimenting with the radionic sciences (as developed by Albert Abrams and >not to be confused with the psychotronics of today which often misuses the >radionic terminology and equipment) which connect form and ether (just like >Trevor's gear). > >While I have a great respect for the tireless experimenter, and always take >experimental data over theory, I don't think that "free energy" experiments >will proceed to the desired point without understanding the fundamental >structure of electricity. I don't claim to have figured it out (wish I >could), but I do feel that I made the correct connections in merging >Dollard's electrical theories with Goethe's prismatic experiments as >elaborated in my article... Also, Schauberger's work indicates a proper >direction, but of course this sort of work is not readily reproducible on >the lab bench. It is not an easy question to answer. > >I do hope that someone proves me wrong and produces an over-unity generator >that runs itself. I am aware that history contains such claims, though >unverifiable from where I sit. Until I actually see it, I simply cannot >believe it. The knowledge I gained from the researches we undertook was far >more satisfying than a free lunch. > > >end of original response >--- > > > >>Did you get a chance to post the info this past week? If so I didn't >>receive it. > >>I was viewing the LMD experiment on the video and had some questions: > >>1. Toward the end of the video Eric was talking about using the LMD circuit >>in a generator and motor transmission line circuit. Would had get free energy? > >>2. Did Eric figure out how to get free energy from the LMD or another way >>to power a typical home? Could you talk about it? > > > >You should post these questions to the editor at borderlands (Michael >Theroux theroux@borderlands.com) and ask him to answer them in the magazine. >He's still insporadic touch with Eric, and he also understands the technical >situation far more than myself. He's also in touch with Peter Lindemann who >participated in many of the experiments. They all seem quite dedicated to >answering such questions in the borderlands magazine. > >I can say that Eric did figure out how to make the electrical meter spin >backwards, if you want to call that free energy. It is done via capacitor >banks in situations where there is a lot of induction (factory motors, etc). >We were actually organising such a project at a series of factories in >Mexico when the principal got cold feet and was worried the Mexican govt >would come down very hard if they found out (his father was killed by the >govt for starting a newspaper there). We discovered that the meters are >ratcheted and cannot spin backwards, indicating that the power companies >know about this. It makes you wonder if you are paying for power used, or it >is all a scam. Lindemann seemed to think that there was some very important >food for thought in all that. > >I realise that I probably haven't answered your questions to a satisfactory >level. My mind is focused on a new business right now & with a family and >another biz I don't have much time to enjoy the alternative scientific >realm. I do hope to get a Goethean light/colour site up and running on the >Aereon Foundation site this summer (your winter). Keep in touch, I'm glad to >answer any questions the best I can and/or to help you find the person who can. > >Cheers, >Tom > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Nov 3 21:36:20 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA26925; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 21:35:56 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 21:35:56 -0800 (PST) From: dansway@pacbell.net Message-ID: <345E4504.4EE2@pacbell.net> Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 21:41:24 +0000 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-PBME (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: David Hamel References: <199711010452.PAA24166@main.murray.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"IIKLs2.0.ca6.wGhNq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1833 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Geoff, GREAT NEWS.....GREAT NEWS!!!!!!!! David Hamel has finally told Pierre Sinclair the secret to his little saucer that got away from him!!!!!!! There should be drawings very soon that will be posted all over the InterNet. I am putting your package in the mail this week! Thank you very much. The stars will be our very soon! Best Wishes, Dan LaRochelle From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Nov 3 22:01:20 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA31587; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 22:00:54 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 22:00:54 -0800 Message-ID: <01BCE8A4.4F5CE5A0@kap808> From: Steve Kaplan To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: RE: Latest Reply to RWW Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 21:55:49 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BCE8A4.4F6486C0" Resent-Message-ID: <"KTozN3.0.si7.GehNq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1834 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: ------ =_NextPart_000_01BCE8A4.4F6486C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Mr. Wall: I am preparing an article on new energy developments for the general = public. In it I shall be discussing Greg Watson's SMOT and his other = devices. You seem to be a major skeptic. My article will present what I = hope is a fairly balanced picture of the views of scientists and = engineers working within a new paradigm or at least coming up with = anomalous results that might point to a need for a new paradigm and = those who are challenging their theories, experimental protocols or = results, or general way of operation. Would you be willing to send to = me a summary of your views? Also, please identify yourself in terms of = your educational and scientific credentials, any theoretical or = laboratory work you have done in the new energy field, or anything else = you would like to provide that would make you credible as a partner in = the discussion I hope to depict accurately for the public. I look forward to your reply at your earliest convenience. Sincerely, Steve Kaplan 3635 SW 87th, #12 Portland, OR 97225 503-297-2424 -----Original Message----- From: Richard Wayne Wall [SMTP:rwall@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Sunday, November 02, 1997 11:51 AM To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Latest Reply to RWW 9/2/97 Mr. Watson wrote:=20 snip >Would suggest you read some of the SMOT posts. There is NO input >energy. The ball is PULLED into the SMOT device. This point has been=20 >discussed at length here. Perhaps discussed and denied by you, but never scientifically validated=20 by anyone. >The entry energy question of the SMOT's has been discussed at length >on Freenrg & Vortex. Several times I believe. I believe the general >opinion was that the entry energy was zero or very close thereof. Opinions count for naught in this business. Hard scientific data is=20 needed. There were many opinions about the Tomi until Scott Little=20 proved them invalid with his excellent evaluation. =20 >Scott & Hal did get a 2 ramp link to work. Took a lot of time to get >the first climb and drop to work as well. *Calling Scott* Scott would you please repost your Tomi evaluation for=20 the benefit of all. =20 *Calling Hal and Scott* Mr. Watson has stated, "The fact that I have=20 offered to send SMOT's to the individuals you mentioned for=20 verification and testing also seems to have escaped your notice." =20 Rick Monteverde referenced Mallove, Merriman, Little, or others in his=20 post. Sorry but, Mr. Watson has invoked your names, claiming that you=20 have proven his smot o/u behavior. Seems to be dragging you into=20 confirming his o/u claims. Do you represent your smot experiments as=20 "demonstrating countinous roll around or whatever you consider o/u". If=20 so, please submit a video or any and all valid data to that effect, so=20 all the world may be notified. We do not question the authenticity of=20 your video. Lastly, Mr Watson states very clearly the fact that he has=20 offered to send you a working model of his smot for verification and=20 testing. Has he in fact done so and, if so, have you tested it? >Rick himself posted that he had good results linking additional ramps, >with no apparent slowdown on the ball's progress. There is a photo on >the SMOT main page of Rick's 7 ramp link. Sorry Rick. But Mr. Watson is now invoking you name as an o/u verifier=20 of his smot. The drill is the same as for Hal and Scott. Any proof of=20 o/u behavior. If so, would you please provide proof? Video accepted=20 as authentic. >Some time ago, I made my intentions to seek profit from my devices >very public. I made NO secret of that. I even called for expressions >of interest when I form the Dmec company to market this technology.=20 >Its on the public record. Caveat emptor. >By the way Richard, where do you live? My address and details are >there for all to see. Not relevant. >Who gives YOU the right to judge others? Its when you do that, that I >really start to get steamed. YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO JUDGE OTHERS LIKE >THAT. Just tell us the truth, Mr. Watson. No one quarels with your right to=20 dream and experiment to your hearts content. You may have any opinion=20 you choose. There is a bright line as to how science is to be=20 conducted though. The Scientific Method, despite its blemishes and=20 kludginess, is still very functional and essential in determining the=20 truth. Now you endeavor to foist off on the internet a short=20 circuited, adultered method of scientific discourse. You skillfully=20 use the net to advance you agenda to the disadvantage of an=20 unsuspecting, gullible and uninformed public. Not only I, but all=20 others have the right to demand the truth. This is the right to judge=20 others. >You have every right to judge my designs. PLEASE build one and >comment on whether it works or not.=20 Please review the Scientific Method. It is the responsibility of the=20 originator to construct a hypothesis and test it thoroughly. All=20 experimental evidence must support the hypothesis before the originator=20 may finally advance a theory. It is NOT others responsibility to prove=20 the claims of the originator. The burden of proof is entirely on the=20 inventor to prove his claims without doubt. =20 >Before I release the SMOT Mk4 for shipping, I plan to send a unit from >Adelaide to Perth, have a friend test it, have them ship it to Sydney >to another friend who will retest the unit and then sent it back to me >in Adelaide. Should take about 4-5 days. The present SMOT Mk4 design >should pass that test. Testing by "friends"? No outside verification? Again, another=20 contrived scheme to control information and outside verification of=20 your device. You are now disavowing your promise in this post to send=20 working o/u smots out for verification. Remember your words, "The fact=20 that I have offered to send SMOT's to the individuals you mentioned for=20 verification and testing also seems to have escaped your notice." =20 Believe me, it has escaped no ones notice now. >Ask any SMOT ramp builder if they believe their ramps would survive >that sort of treatment and work in the hands of 2 strangers. The >answer from EVERY builders will be a SOLID NO. >What's the point in shipping touchy / sensitive units half way around >the planet and having them obey Murphy's laws when they arrive? NONE. Everyone familiar with this discussion, will attest that you have=20 informed us that smot mk4 is a commercial device, built, tested and=20 verified by you. And, that it is a fool proof design so that ANYONE=20 can just snap it together out of the box and it will run straight away=20 in o/u mode with only a little polishing. Sounds pretty hardy to me. =20 Now you inform us it is fragile, touchy/sensitive and subject to=20 Murphy's Law. Hmmm. Which is it? Just the truth, Mr. Watson. >I expect better of a professional debunker. What will your clients=20 >think? =20 Clients? Hmmm. =20 "Paranoia strikes deep. =20 And, into your heart it may creep." Bob Dillon Lastly, Rich Murray has recently publically published on this list=20 regarding another topic, but the content is right on target for this=20 discussion. I think all will agree it has a very similar analogy with=20 this discussion. I credit Rich and pass it along. =20 "The natural response of a team caught in the process of collective=20 folly is to hunker down, cease searching for artifacts, release=20 incomplete descriptions, equivocate, bargain fortime, apply spin=20 control to negative reports, offer strictly in-house controlled=20 demonstrations to unqualified appraisers, and keep the muzzle on those=20 few outside scientists who are allowed to attempt replication of the=20 patented cells, while finding enough funding to either establish the inital effect, or find a new, more productive experiment. This is probably the case with BlackLight Power, and may be starting to be the process with the Cincinnati Group." 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mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA18007; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 22:55:54 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 22:55:54 -0800 Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 18:27:35 +1100 Message-Id: <199711040727.SAA20462@main.murray.net.au> X-Sender: egel@mail.sa.ozland.net.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Geoff Egel Subject: Re: David Hamel Resent-Message-ID: <"8wFah3.0.GP4.vRiNq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1835 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 09:41 PM 11/3/97 +0000, you wrote: >Geoff, > > >GREAT NEWS.....GREAT NEWS!!!!!!!! > >David Hamel has finally told Pierre Sinclair the secret to his little >saucer that got away from him!!!!!!! There should be drawings very soon >that will be posted all over the InterNet. > >I am putting your package in the mail this week! Thank you very much. > >The stars will be our very soon! > >Best Wishes, > > Dan LaRochelle > > >Bit of an ask I know but could add the bit including the secret as told to Pierre Sinclar Thanks Geoff From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Nov 3 23:12:51 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA05027; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 23:12:32 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 23:12:32 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <345EC560.75F1@motown.lmco.com> References: <3.0.1.32.19971103193938.00c2a87c@palacenet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 21:08:58 -1000 To: Free Energy List From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: New High Voltage Insulator Resent-Message-ID: <"tg-Hq.0.RE1.ThiNq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1836 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Frank - RE: radar chip applications - They don't have the ones that do anything like an image yet, but they've got the selux studfinder and cable locator already. The simple studfinder has been out for quite a while, but the second wave is now here. The third wave ought to have some really good stuff. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Nov 3 23:16:09 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA23779; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 23:15:55 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 23:15:55 -0800 From: HLafonte Message-ID: <8a2afe0c.345ecb7a@aol.com> Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 02:15:52 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: (MER) To Greg and all, "Big A" magnetic circuit, butch25.gif Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part0_878627704_boundary" Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv10) Resent-Message-ID: <"QPhqd.0.Qp5.fkiNq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1837 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_878627704_boundary Content-ID: <0_878627704@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Greg, Look at what you think would happen to flux flow across the coil cross rod when the rod on the upper left is put into, or pulled out of, the gap. I think the field will collapse around the coil when it is put in, and cause the flux to flow in a way that will ADD to the inward pull of the rod. When pulled out, cause a REDUCTION of pull on the rod. What do you think? 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Our Email administrator changed the naming conventions for outgoing mail, and i cannot unsubscribe the old name, nor post under the new name without getting double messages. Thanks. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Nov 3 23:49:08 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA09842; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 23:48:46 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 23:48:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <345ED35D.B91EC9AA@microtronics.com.au> Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 18:18:45 +1030 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List Server Freenrg CC: List Server Vortex Subject: SMOT & RMOG OU Proofs up Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"rlEbU3.0.YP2.PDjNq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1839 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi All, I have posted RMOG & SMOT Simple OU Proofs. They can be linked from the Rmog & Smot pages. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Nov 4 01:00:52 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA08916; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 01:00:25 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 01:00:25 -0800 Message-ID: <345EE41D.5241B840@microtronics.com.au> Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 19:30:13 +1030 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List Server Freenrg CC: List Server Vortex Subject: Cheap Linear Hall Effect Device Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"H8vVC3.0.DB2.dGkNq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1840 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi All, I believe the "Real" builders on these lists should adopt a low cost, standard Magnetic Flux Density measuring device. I use a UGN3503U Linear Hall Effect sensor to do my flux density measurements. It costs $3.95 Aus from any Disk Smith Electronic (Australia) store. Part # Z-2620. It has a 13v / Tesla (1.3v / 1,000 Gauss, 130mv / 100 Gauss, 13mv / 10 Gauss, 1.3mv / 1 Gauss) sensitivity and a noise (error) factor of +- 90uv / +- 0.07 Gauss. Max freq is 23Khz (-3bd). Not bad for a $3.95 (>$3.00 Us) part. Any other contenders? -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Nov 4 05:26:08 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA28851; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 05:25:55 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 05:25:55 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971104072457.00b4d234@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 07:24:57 -0600 To: From: Jack DeMule Subject: Re: Cheap Linear Hall Effect Device In-Reply-To: <345EE41D.5241B840@microtronics.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"9zhRm.0.h27.X9oNq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1841 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi All, At 19:30 11/4/97 +1030, Greg Watson wrote: >Hi All,>I use a UGN3503U Linear Hall Effect sensor to do my flux density >measurements. >Any other contenders? We use those devices in droves where I work. They make nice current sensors too. Sprague ...er, I mean Allegro, used to sell a version that came with a calibration chart too...maybe they still do? A flip-coil is inherently more accurate, and can be designed to meet the specific needs of the builder. The hall devices are convenient, but if I want the 'last word' I use a coil of wire. Best Regards, JD ---------------------------------------------------------- "Tell me if you like this one." - Count Rochefocault mules@palacenet.net ---------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Nov 4 06:35:45 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA04716; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 06:35:24 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 06:35:24 -0800 X-Sender: richarda@mailhub.icx.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19971103.194830.4462.3.Jahuti@juno.com> References: <199711031641.AA03656@world.std.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 09:36:31 -0400 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Richard Austin Subject: Re: stifle it! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id GAA04674 Resent-Message-ID: <"4c3Vf2.0.P91.gApNq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1842 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >On Mon, 3 Nov 1997 11:41:35 -0500 uban@world.std.com (Jim Uban) writes: >> >>[Responding to Richard Wayne Wall's many >> negative comments to Greg Watson] >> >>Hi Richard, >> I must ask you to keep your critical >>mode under control when posting to freenrg >>list. Your comments to Greg Watson are not >>appropriate to this list. ... >> >I vote for Richard. Constructive criticism is a necessary part of >science. Or is this a religious group? If so, you'd better un-subscribe >me too. >-- >--Michael Morrison >Target ICBMs or cruise missles to 38.406N 122.735W Let's all agree that critiques are encouraged on the technologies but such discussions should NOT be an open door to personal attacks on the experimenters themselves. Let's discuss the technologies pro and con, but not debase ourselves by resorting to per sonal attacks on researchers. We are all doing our best to uncover the secrets of nature and to find new sources of free or inexpensive energy for all mankind. Our world needs a LOT of help and personal attacks don't help. It just hurts people's feelings. Sometimes researchers in their enthusiasm are going to get overly excited about a new discovery or principle to pursue. Just give them the consideration they deserve for spending their valuable time trying to make a difference. Let's try to remember the golden rule more often. As to that small element which intentionally and knowingly tries to disrupt discussion and progress due to some misplaced agenda, we can only feel sorry for them for the future karma they are creating for themselves. Richard Austin -- email: richarda@icx.net -- radio: KG7SU Check out the Institute for Planetary Renewal at http://user.icx.net/~richarda From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Nov 4 11:34:55 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA12825; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 11:34:14 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 11:34:14 -0800 Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 14:34:03 -0500 From: uban@world.std.com (Jim Uban) Message-Id: <199711041934.AA02922@world.std.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: stifle it! Resent-Message-ID: <"iP5gP1.0.E83.pYtNq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1843 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: [Michael Morrison wrote, responding to my comments about Richard Wayne Wall's many negative comments to Greg Watson:] > I vote for Richard. Constructive criticism is a necessary part of > science. Or is this a religious group? If so, you'd better un-subscribe > me too. Hi Michael, Well, it's certainly not the 'religion of skeptics' group! (Re)Read the freenrg charter and decide for yourself. Jim From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Nov 4 13:31:37 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA12825; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 11:34:14 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 11:34:14 -0800 Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 14:34:03 -0500 From: uban@world.std.com (Jim Uban) Message-Id: <199711041934.AA02922@world.std.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: stifle it! Resent-Message-ID: <"iP5gP1.0.E83.pYtNq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1843 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: [Michael Morrison wrote, responding to my comments about Richard Wayne Wall's many negative comments to Greg Watson:] > I vote for Richard. Constructive criticism is a necessary part of > science. Or is this a religious group? If so, you'd better un-subscribe > me too. Hi Michael, Well, it's certainly not the 'religion of skeptics' group! (Re)Read the freenrg charter and decide for yourself. Jim From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Nov 4 13:35:33 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA08774; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:35:08 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:35:08 -0800 Message-ID: <345F9507.562227E3@microtronics.com.au> Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 08:05:03 +1030 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com CC: List Server Freenrg Subject: Re: Simple RMOG OU Proof ? References: <345F3B7D.EB5F8A53@verisoft.com.tr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"0l0Vh3.0.r82.9KvNq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1844 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hamdi Ucar wrote: > > I think a simulation on rubber suspended ferrite rod experiment will possibly show the magnetic flux around the air gap is increasing when strength of opposing poles increase. So the suspended core (while helping closing the loop) will be attracted even tually to the positive direction of the magnetic gradient. This can not be interpreted as OU effect because it can be explained with conservative terms. > Exactly my point. There is NO magic here. NO new physic. Just a NEW design of a flux gate generator which uses a, until now, unknown effect. The test set-up shows how the Rmog's basic OU effect works. It shows that current flowing in the coil (induced by the approaching flux gate) INCREASES the force of attraction on the flux gate over that which would happen if the coil were open. This increased INWARD force imparts more kinetic energy into the rotor than the departing drag back attractive forces withdraws. Its the INCREASED inward attractive force that makes the Rmog OU. As to where the extra energy comes from????????????? > I also understand the OU phenomenon related to ferromagnetic materials (according Greg) having absolutely dynamic behaviour, but this proposed experiment have no timings and could be considered as static. > Correct. But it shows EXACTLY why and HOW the Dmec effect works. > Probably the effect exploited here is important part of the RMOG operation, but it is not source of the OU. Everything could have been correct if this experiment was presented as "A part of theory of operation of RMOG". > Correct. I don't know WHERE the extra energy is coming from. BUT, I do understand WHY and HOW the Rmog's Dmec effect works. > (I am currently studying English grammar and hope to do less mistake soon.) > > Regards, > > hamdi ucar Hi Hamdi, Your english is ok by me. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Nov 4 13:35:51 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA08949; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:35:31 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:35:31 -0800 From: JNaudin509@aol.com Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 16:34:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971104150003_-1777977598@mrin44.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: New Adams motor design. Resent-Message-ID: <"rMnF01.0._A2.RKvNq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1845 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi All, I have added some updates in my web site, most particularly, you will find a new design of my Adams motor V4.0 at : http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/jlnaudin/admsv40.htm In this new design of my Adams Motor V4.0 the main rotor is placed verticaly, thus it is easier to use the mechanical power generated. This version uses ferrite baryum magnets ( BH max about 25 kJ/m3 ( 3.2 MGO) ). This Adams motor V4.0 uses an enhanced electronic controler and uses only one TopFet (BUK100). The coils activators are used in resonance mode ( with 2x220 uF capacitors in parallel ), thus the electrical power input is reduced Vs the previous release of this motor for the same mechanical output. I have used soft iron cores and the air gap between the magnets and the coils is 1mm wide. The next version, the V4.1 will use NIB (Neodymium Iron Bore) magnets ( BH max about 208 kJ/m3 ( 27 MGO)). This will increase the mechanical power output without affecting significantly the electrical power input. More to come.... Sincerely, ( This mail has been sent at 19h59 GMT on 04 November 97 ) Jean-Louis Naudin ( France / GMT+1 ) Email : JNaudin509@aol.com my Overunity WEB Server : http://members.aol.com/JNaudin509/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Nov 4 13:56:00 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA17876; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:55:35 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:55:35 -0800 Message-ID: <345F99D3.FD1FEB53@microtronics.com.au> Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 08:25:32 +1030 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com, List Server Freenrg Subject: Re: SMOT & RMOG OU Proofs up References: <199711041318.HAA00825@natasha.eden.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"rrLSg.0.3N4.KdvNq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1846 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Scott Little wrote: > > At 06:18 PM 11/4/97 +1030, Greg Watson wrote: > > >I have posted RMOG & SMOT Simple OU Proofs. > > Here is a quote from the page: > > >I am replicating the tests at present and will report any changes > >in the results. > > Greg, you claim to have succeeded in making devices that run by themselves > continuously without any energy input whatsoever! Please tell us, what > could possibly possess you to spend any of your incredibly valuable time > conducting these insignificant tests? Is it just a hobby?...something to > relieve the relentless pressure of the crash development program in which > you must surely be embroiled? > > Scott Little HI Scott, The day I started posting openly to this group, I gave up the ownership of my research. I have been in business long enough to know that I will NOT be the one to make a killing. Did the Wright Brothers become rich? Money and or Fame doesn't turn me on. What's IMPORTANT to me is that as many people as possible, understand the everyday physical effects which drive my gadgets. Try the Rmog experiments, they should take you only a hour or so to verify. Then build a level track with the very small graduation in the second of the SMOT tests. You should be able to verify the ball will not roll in such a small field graduation. Do these two tests, it will take Earth Tech only a few hours. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Nov 4 15:26:39 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA21657; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 15:26:21 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 15:26:21 -0800 Message-ID: <345FAF13.542D8A8@microtronics.com.au> Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 09:56:11 +1030 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com, List Server Freenrg Subject: Re: Greg Watson shares the blame References: <199711041701_MC2-26B9-B690@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"DotXI2.0.EI5.RywNq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1847 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Jed Rothwell wrote: > > To: Vortex > > Paul Nash asked what I meant when I said my SMOT rollaway "did not mean a > thing." I meant there was a slight downhill slope, which I did not notice at > first. Tinsley also experienced this. A slope too small to be observed with a > bubble level is enough to produce a fake rollaway. You test by putting a bead > on the track with the magnets removed, and tapping the table, or blowing on > the bead. If it starts to move, you can make a fake rollaway in that > direction. You have to try many times; it will work maybe 1 in 50 times. The > SMOT is a fascinating gadget. It is a good toy. Mine was laughably crude, but > Tinsley's was refined and precise. Based on our observations I do not see any > reason to think it is OU. > > We discussed this. You could find our observations in the Vortex archives, but > frankly I do not think it is worth digging up the messages. At this stage I > think there is nothing to the SMOT. I expect it is a mistake. We should ignore > it unless Watson sends a kit to one or more independent investigators. I am > not positive it is a mistake, but I do not think it is worth pursuing or > discussing. If Watson keeps talking for another 3 months or 6 months and he > *still* has not sent out a kit, I will be convinced he is a flake or a fraud, > like Meyer, Neumann and ten-thousand other Perpetual Motion Machine Men. How > long do you wait? Where do you draw the line and write someone off? It is a > judgement call. > > - Jed Hi Jed, Do the second of the SMOT simple OU Proof tests at : http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson/smotouproof.html Make the track very level. Create the small positive magnetic gradient field. See the ball will not roll. Try to give the ball a push. Watch the ball slow and stop in the middle of the field. Frictional losses are REAL losses. Yet given these same start and final field densities, the SMOT will quickly draw the ball up the ramp and let it drop off to rest at the starting level. No rollaway needed here. If the SMOT is not OU why does the level test fail and the climb & drop test work? The start and final flux densities are the same. The results should be the same. They are not. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Nov 4 15:55:24 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA29230; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 15:54:47 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 15:54:47 -0800 Message-ID: <345FB51E.7D16@centuryinter.net> Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 17:51:58 -0600 From: andrew Reply-To: gyro@centuryinter.net Organization: the truth is out there X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Fwd: lawnmowers] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------651F6C8471C0" Resent-Message-ID: <"_Nya61.0.V87.5NxNq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1848 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------651F6C8471C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If anyone knows about the lawn mower please e mail this guy for me . --------------651F6C8471C0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from host.pc.centuryinter.net by host.ot.centuryinter.net; (5.65/1.1.8.2/16Aug95-0520PM) id AA01992; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 18:59:50 -0500 Received: from imo01.mx.aol.com by host.pc.centuryinter.net; (5.65/1.1.8.2/16Aug95-0520PM) id AA27604; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 18:59:49 -0500 From: AHD 11 Message-Id: <45ae0655.345d1346@aol.com> Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 18:57:39 EST To: gyro@centuryinter.net Subject: lawnmowers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv10) did you ever get an answer to your microwave lawnmower question? what about solar? daughter doing a science project. --------------651F6C8471C0-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Nov 4 19:53:40 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA01466; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 19:52:48 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 19:52:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3460184C.7AA8@tiac.net> Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 22:55:08 -0800 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: stifle it! References: <199711031641.AA03656@world.std.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"XaV98.0.oM.As-Nq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1849 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Jim Uban wrote: > > [Responding to Richard Wayne Wall's many > negative comments to Greg Watson] > > Hi Richard, > I must ask you to keep your critical > mode under control when posting to freenrg > list. Your comments to Greg Watson are not > appropriate to this list. Reread the freenrg > list charter. We are all here a 'nest of true > believers' and thus willing to extend to all > posters the benefit of the doubt w/r/t their > posted claims. In fact, the requirement of > using this list is a high tolerance of very > unusual ideas and claims. And further, many > are very interested in these claims. Hold the phone Jim, there was a stated emphisis on actual testing data, not pie in the sky theory, so often the realm of the true beleivers. We have a right to find out just where we are along that scale as I understand the charter. > Your kinds of comments to Greg are > what one would expect to see on sci.physics.fusion > or even alt.sci.physics.new-theories, and > reasonably so there. But, those comments are not > sanctioned here. > Please reread the freenrg charter > and get in line with it or get out! > Thanks, Jim Lets all reread the charter in this case. Lets also be quite honest about the all too common pattern of device claims becomming mythic if not 'religion'. Remember all the Newman threads? A reasonable degree of objectivity in needed here. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Nov 3 22:15:13 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA08441 for bilb@eskimo.com; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 22:14:52 -0800 Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 22:14:52 -0800 X-Envelope-From: curtis.sandoval@supervalu.com Mon Nov 3 22:14:40 1997 Received: from inetgw-a.supervalu.com (firewall-user@inetgw-a.supervalu.com [208.19.191.65]) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA08336 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 22:14:38 -0800 From: curtis.sandoval@supervalu.com Received: by inetgw-a.supervalu.com; id AAA11599; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 00:16:43 -0600 (CST) Received: from int-ns-a.supervalu.com(10.169.9.21) by inetgw-a.supervalu.com via smap (3.2) id xma011595; Tue, 4 Nov 97 00:16:18 -0600 Received: from sho-1lnsmtp (sho-1lnsmtp [10.169.1.130]) by Supervalu.COM (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA15021 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 00:03:58 -0600 (CST) Received: by sho-1lnsmtp(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.1 (385.6 5-6-1997)) id 86256545.0022779F ; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 00:16:28 -0600 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SVHO@SVEXTERNAL Old-Return-Receipt-To: curtis.sandoval@supervalu.com To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Message-ID: <86256545.00224113.00@sho-1lnsmtp> Old-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 00:15:24 -0600 Subject: Re: David Hamel Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; Boundary="0__=DmWOx26ZAGfMgeIeKwrVDk3cNZ91MtTkjj730buQvgPpCHu7bT8pFqF3" X-Diagnostic: Not on the accept list X-Envelope-To: freenrg-l Status: RO X-Status: --0__=DmWOx26ZAGfMgeIeKwrVDk3cNZ91MtTkjj730buQvgPpCHu7bT8pFqF3 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Geoff or Dan, Could you please elabourate upon this story? Must have missed it somewhere. Thanks. c cgs s (Embedded image moved freenrg-l @ eskimo.com to file: 11/04/97 12:35 AM PIC24073.PCX) Please respond to freenrg-l@eskimo.com To: freenrg-l @ eskimo.com cc: (bcc: Curtis G. Sandoval/HOMEOFFICE/SUPERVALU) Subject: David Hamel Geoff, GREAT NEWS.....GREAT NEWS!!!!!!!! David Hamel has finally told Pierre Sinclair the secret to his little saucer that got away from him!!!!!!! There should be drawings very soon that will be posted all over the InterNet. I am putting your package in the mail this week! Thank you very much. The stars will be our very soon! 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The sims clearly show how and where the increased flux occurs and WHY it doesn't occur in other flux gate type generators. Its linked from the Rmog page or the 5th Nov update link on the home page. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 5 00:12:33 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA14038; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 00:12:21 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 00:12:21 -0800 Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 00:11:37 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711050811.AAA08704@denmark.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: Simple RMOG OU Proof ? Resent-Message-ID: <"BQhLr.0.FR3.af2Oq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1851 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hello Hamdi and Greg, At 08:05 AM 11/5/97 +1030, you wrote: >Hamdi Ucar wrote: >> >> I think a simulation on rubber suspended ferrite rod experiment will possibly show the magnetic flux around the air gap is increasing when strength of opposing poles increase. So the suspended core (while helping closing the loop) will be attracted eventually to the positive direction of the magnetic gradient. This can not be interpreted as OU effect because it can be explained with conservative terms. >> > >Exactly my point. There is NO magic here. NO new physic. Just a NEW >design of a flux gate generator which uses a, until now, unknown >effect. >... >Its the INCREASED inward attractive force that makes the Rmog OU. > >As to where the extra energy comes from????????????? > I wrote on Oct. 26. >> I have more thoughts on the energy. Call the magnetic energy transferred to the disk KE = U(x) where x= distance from the center of the flus gap. U(0) is maximum and U(-5mm) is less, without any DNMEC effects. Also U(x) = U(-x), the energy used to climb out of the fluxgate is the same as gained going in. This was Greg's answer to Butch. Assume, with the DNMEC that the energy U(-5) has been increased by DeltaU. Then going from x=-5mm to x=0, the disk gains energy, with the switch off, like the non DNMEC case U(0) - U(-5), an additional positive amount, and requires U(0) to "climb" out, with a net gain of DeltaU. If this was the case, the RMOG would run if DeltaU > frictional losses, etc. However, the gain in energy, DeltaU seems to be coming from the rotating disk itself inducing current in the coils. Unless this efficiency is >100%, then the drag is > than the DeltaU and the RMOG will stop. The drag can be such that the energy taked from the disk at x=-5mm is even greater than the non DNMEC case, and the RMOG is connected as a generator/eddy current brake. With the simple test with 2 magnets, it seems that you have to supply the added energy from the greater repulsion of the magnets with the ferrite (lower reluctance with smaller air gap). Could someone do a quick field simulation of this? Greg, do you think there is an additional source of energy? A thermal collection similar to the idea in the Dragone paper? A nuclear effect, the "N" in DNMEC? Thanks for any more suggestions and giving out all your thoughs and ideas. -Dave << I don't know if the extra energy is "thermal magnetic", or how much is coming from the rotation -> coil emf, but if it is thermal, then Greg may not call it OU, like a heat pump? If the emf builds due to added attraction, then turning it off when the fluxgate leaves will produce this delta. Of course all my comments are speculation until I get my Rmog to work like Greg's. When it does, I will post it quickly with some excitement! -Dave Greg, in your Mk3, are the stators still made from steel except the coil cores and magnets? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 5 00:43:09 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA14038; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 00:12:21 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 00:12:21 -0800 Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 00:11:37 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711050811.AAA08704@denmark.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: Simple RMOG OU Proof ? Resent-Message-ID: <"BQhLr.0.FR3.af2Oq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1851 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hello Hamdi and Greg, At 08:05 AM 11/5/97 +1030, you wrote: >Hamdi Ucar wrote: >> >> I think a simulation on rubber suspended ferrite rod experiment will possibly show the magnetic flux around the air gap is increasing when strength of opposing poles increase. So the suspended core (while helping closing the loop) will be attracted eventually to the positive direction of the magnetic gradient. This can not be interpreted as OU effect because it can be explained with conservative terms. >> > >Exactly my point. There is NO magic here. NO new physic. Just a NEW >design of a flux gate generator which uses a, until now, unknown >effect. >... >Its the INCREASED inward attractive force that makes the Rmog OU. > >As to where the extra energy comes from????????????? > I wrote on Oct. 26. >> I have more thoughts on the energy. Call the magnetic energy transferred to the disk KE = U(x) where x= distance from the center of the flus gap. U(0) is maximum and U(-5mm) is less, without any DNMEC effects. Also U(x) = U(-x), the energy used to climb out of the fluxgate is the same as gained going in. This was Greg's answer to Butch. Assume, with the DNMEC that the energy U(-5) has been increased by DeltaU. Then going from x=-5mm to x=0, the disk gains energy, with the switch off, like the non DNMEC case U(0) - U(-5), an additional positive amount, and requires U(0) to "climb" out, with a net gain of DeltaU. If this was the case, the RMOG would run if DeltaU > frictional losses, etc. However, the gain in energy, DeltaU seems to be coming from the rotating disk itself inducing current in the coils. Unless this efficiency is >100%, then the drag is > than the DeltaU and the RMOG will stop. The drag can be such that the energy taked from the disk at x=-5mm is even greater than the non DNMEC case, and the RMOG is connected as a generator/eddy current brake. With the simple test with 2 magnets, it seems that you have to supply the added energy from the greater repulsion of the magnets with the ferrite (lower reluctance with smaller air gap). Could someone do a quick field simulation of this? Greg, do you think there is an additional source of energy? A thermal collection similar to the idea in the Dragone paper? A nuclear effect, the "N" in DNMEC? Thanks for any more suggestions and giving out all your thoughs and ideas. -Dave << I don't know if the extra energy is "thermal magnetic", or how much is coming from the rotation -> coil emf, but if it is thermal, then Greg may not call it OU, like a heat pump? If the emf builds due to added attraction, then turning it off when the fluxgate leaves will produce this delta. Of course all my comments are speculation until I get my Rmog to work like Greg's. When it does, I will post it quickly with some excitement! -Dave Greg, in your Mk3, are the stators still made from steel except the coil cores and magnets? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 5 07:52:14 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA25757; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 07:51:46 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 07:51:46 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Frank C. Earl" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 09:56:18 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: stifle it! Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.42a) Resent-Message-ID: <"Vasot2.0.KI6.EO9Oq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1852 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > I vote for Richard. Constructive criticism is a necessary part of > science. Or is this a religious group? If so, you'd better un-subscribe > me too. Thing is, what Richard's doing has LITTLE to do with constructive criticism- it's verging on personal attacks that may well be unwarranted. That's what the people are on about here. And it's not a religious group- but what Richard's doing is tantamount to a (f)lametroll. Which, by the way, is the other reason why the people of the list are asking him to tone it down. -- Frank C. Earl Earl Consulting Services ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Pursuant to USC 47, there is a $500 per incident charge for each and every piece of Unsolicited Commercial Email (UCE) sent to this or any of my other addresses. Sending UCE's to any of my addresses implys general acceptance of these terms. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 5 12:15:24 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA14080; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 12:14:53 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 12:14:53 -0800 From: HLafonte@aol.com Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 14:45:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971105143407_1770234501@emout08.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Design butch25.gif does not work Resent-Message-ID: <"YQkIt3.0.uR3.xEDOq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1853 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: To all, I made an error, and the flux will not behave as though in the design shown in drawing butch25.gif . In the process of failing I was led to something very interesting and will post it soon. Thanks, Butch From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 5 12:48:08 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA27683; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 12:43:59 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 12:43:59 -0800 Message-Id: <3460E82B.63E7@tu-bs.de> Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 22:42:03 +0100 From: Tameer Hohnsbein Reply-To: T.Hohnsbein@tu-bs.de Organization: Technische Universität Braunschweig X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold [de] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "freenrg-l@eskimo.com" Subject: Ferrite Magnetic Design Tool Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"bPYWG3.0.7m6.CgDOq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1854 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi All, While searching for some data of ferrite materials I came across the following: Ferrite Magnetic Design Tool, May '97 The second version of the ferrite computing program allows calculation of additional variables. It provides access to the digitized material data of all available S+M ferrites and permits graphical representation of hysteresis loop, initial permeability vs. temperature or complex permeability vs. frequency. The Core Advanced function supports the design of complete inductors. The program can be installed under Windows 95 and Windows 3.1x. You can find it at http://www.siemens.de/pr/tools/e0000000.htm May serve you well :) Tameer -- Tameer Hohnsbein, Hagenring 80, 38106 Braunschweig, Germany E-Mail: T.Hohnsbein@tu-bs.de phone : ++49 531 / 335348 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 5 13:17:27 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA05956; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 13:17:08 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 13:17:08 -0800 From: PROTIEUS@aol.com Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 15:40:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971105152816_325527709@emout11.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: David Hamel Resent-Message-ID: <"jCr1B2.0.dS1.I9EOq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1855 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: hello does this have to do with the flying disks..? please respond thank you Scotty From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 5 13:36:14 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA10764; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 13:33:44 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 13:33:44 -0800 Message-Id: <199711052132.NAA26426@mailtod-121.bryant.webtv.net> From: leelouden@webtv.net (Lee Louden) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 13:32:53 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: David Hamel Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"glld_1.0.4e2.sOEOq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1856 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Yes!! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 5 14:22:30 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA10439; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 14:21:59 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 14:21:59 -0800 Message-ID: <3460F17E.4172CF3B@microtronics.com.au> Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 08:51:51 +1030 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: List Server Vortex Subject: Re: Simple RMOG OU Proof ? References: <199711050811.AAA08704@denmark.it.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"GjrmE1.0.YY2.46FOq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1857 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Dave Dameron wrote: > > Hello Hamdi and Greg, > At 08:05 AM 11/5/97 +1030, you wrote: > >Hamdi Ucar wrote: > >> > >> I think a simulation on rubber suspended ferrite rod experiment will > possibly show the magnetic flux around the air gap is increasing when > strength of opposing poles increase. So the suspended core (while helping > closing the loop) will be attracted eventually to the positive direction of > the magnetic gradient. This can not be interpreted as OU effect because it > can be explained with conservative terms. > >> > > > >Exactly my point. There is NO magic here. NO new physic. Just a NEW > >design of a flux gate generator which uses a, until now, unknown > >effect. > >... > >Its the INCREASED inward attractive force that makes the Rmog OU. > > > >As to where the extra energy comes from????????????? > > > > I wrote on Oct. 26. > >> > I have more thoughts on the energy. Call the magnetic energy transferred to > the disk KE = U(x) where x= distance from the center of the flus gap. U(0) > is maximum and U(-5mm) is less, without any DNMEC effects. Also U(x) = > U(-x), the energy used to climb out of the fluxgate is the same as gained > going in. This was Greg's answer to Butch. Correct. Energy gain in equals energy loss out + frictional losses + hysteresis losses + eddy current losses in the steel bits of the circuit. > Assume, with the DNMEC that the energy U(-5) has been increased by DeltaU. > Then going from x=-5mm to x=0, the disk gains energy, with the switch off, > like the non DNMEC case U(0) - U(-5), an additional positive amount, and > requires U(0) to > "climb" out, with a net gain of DeltaU. If this was the case, the RMOG would > run if DeltaU > frictional losses, etc. Correct. > However, the gain in energy, DeltaU > seems to be coming from the rotating disk itself inducing current in the > coils. NO. The energy comes from the ferrite itself. The aligning domains. > Unless this efficiency is >100%, then the drag is > than the DeltaU > and the RMOG will stop. The drag can be such that the energy taked from the > disk at x=-5mm is even greater than the non DNMEC case, and the RMOG is > connected as a generator/eddy current brake. With the simple test with 2 > magnets, it seems that you have to supply the added energy from the greater > repulsion of the magnets with the ferrite (lower reluctance with smaller air > gap). Could someone do a quick field simulation of this? I am working on the shorted coil QF sims now, will be up today. > Greg, do you think there is an additional source of energy? A thermal > collection similar to the idea in the Dragone paper? A nuclear effect, the > "N" in DNMEC? The energy source of the RMOG is the same as the PMOD and the SMOT. A weak aligning H field produces a stronger B field. With ALL other energy systems, the H and B fields are locked together and we can't use the increased B field energy produced by the aligning ATOMIC dipoles. ALL of my research has this ONE basic theroy at its heart. How to transfer the energy in the spinning electrical charges (electrons) of the Irom atoms into External work. > Thanks for any more suggestions and giving out all your thoughs and ideas. > -Dave << > > I don't know if the extra energy is "thermal magnetic", or how much is > coming from the rotation -> coil emf, but if it is thermal, then Greg may > not call it OU, like a heat pump? If the emf builds due to added attraction, > then turning it off when the fluxgate leaves will produce this delta. Of > course all my comments are speculation until I get my Rmog to work like > Greg's. When it does, I will post it quickly with some excitement! You need to modify to the Mk3 design with its balanced magnetic thrust loads. I will post more Mk3 design specs by the weekend. > -Dave > Greg, in your Mk3, are the stators still made from steel except the coil > cores and magnets? Hi Dave, Thanks for the excellent post. Good to see someone is starting to understand the Dmec effect in the Rmog. Except for the magnet and ferrite coil core, the rest of the magnetic circuit is steel. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 5 15:18:59 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA01453; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 15:18:35 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 15:18:35 -0800 X-Sender: bailey@best.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 15:18:17 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com (Freengr List) From: pgb@padrak.com (Patrick Bailey) Subject: Institute for New Energy: FAQ Page Resent-Message-ID: <"3sllg3.0.SM.6xFOq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1858 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: The INE now has a Frequently Asked Questions Page, at: http://www.padrak.com/ine/FAQ.html Dr. Patrick G. Bailey President, Institute for New Energy http://www.padrak.com/ine/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 5 15:22:33 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA03044; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 15:22:10 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 15:22:10 -0800 Message-ID: <3460FF9A.EB2E2172@microtronics.com.au> Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 09:52:02 +1030 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com CC: List Server Freenrg Subject: Re: SMOT Magnetic Anomaly & Ou Proof References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"RISac1.0.Bl.W-FOq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1859 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Rick Monteverde wrote: > > Greg Watson wrote: > > > Do the second of the SMOT simple OU Proof tests at : > > > http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson/smotouproof.html > > What is the point of the differential ramp test? That the SMOT ramps have real frictional losses which can't be thrown away. With the N Gauge tracks I use, a slight nudge will cause the ball to roll no more than 15mm. That same nudge will however move the ball up and down 4 linked ramps and deposit it 500mm away. If we establish a field gradient equal to the start and finish along a level track, the ball given a slight nudge will roll again only about 15mm. Sorry to labour on the same point, but energy had to come from somewhere to move the ball through 500mm of lossy track. I am sure that the level track set-up, if we were in space and had No losses, would move the ball from the start to the end. But we are not, the rolling losses of the track are real. You can't ignore the track losses. The Simple Proof shows that the linked SMOT ramps DO provide energy to overcome the frictional losses. > Is it established > logically that this reveals a true energy differential and not just an > efficiency differential with regard to a rolling ferrous ball? The energy > distribution of the fields could well net out symetrically while a rolling > ball sees different dynamics from different directions. Assuming constant > track frictional losses, symmetry could be measured by carefully measuring > the force on a static ball at numerous points through the array and > summing. I think the rollthrough experiment *could* be saying that the > fields are anomalously assymetrical, or it *could* be saying that it's more > efficient for a ball to roll through one way rather than another. Which do > you want to bet it is? Anomalous. > Tesla's homopolar patents show how eddy currents can cause this behavior in > those devices. Spin it one way, it's draggy. The other way, it's much > easier. > > To prove SMOT OU, just show good level rollaways, that's all. Will do. > - Rick Monteverde Hi Rick, I don't understand WHY you object to the Simple OU Proof. Rollaways, Rollarounds. There are other ways to skin this cat. The frictional losses are real. Please explain WHY the Simple OU Proof (linked & level ramps) is invalid. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 5 15:31:07 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA06669; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 15:28:59 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 15:28:59 -0800 Message-ID: <34610138.669141A3@microtronics.com.au> Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 09:58:56 +1030 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com, List Server Freenrg Subject: Re: Greg Watson shares the blame References: <199711041701_MC2-26B9-B690@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"RzFK63.0.zd1.v4GOq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1860 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Rick Monteverde wrote: > > Greg - > > > Yet given these same start and final field densities, > > the SMOT will quickly draw the ball up the ramp > > and let it drop off to rest at the starting level. No > > rollaway needed here. > > Now this is starting to worry me again; in the above statement you imply a > claim that the behavior described indicates anomalous or OU behavior when > clearly it does neither. > > You say that "Yet given these same start and final field densities...", but > they are not the same. The ball at the start is somewhat free to roll > either way, perhaps just barely within the fields enough that we can easily > start it *towards* the stronger fields. And yet at the bottom of a ramp > without rollaway capability the ball is clearly held with much more force > than it experienced at the start point. So the first statement is false, > and the second, "...let it drop off to rest at the starting level" doesn't > have the relevance you seem to be trying to give it. Just because it ends > up at the same gravitational potential doesn't mean that it isn't in a > lower energy state in this system - it most certainly is. Therefore, the > conclusion "No rollaway needed here" is not true. > > Have I misunderstood this somehow? Was this a mistake or typo, or do you > really believe that just because a ball rolls up a ramp and drops down > stuck in the field at the same gravitational potential that it's either an > anomaly or OU? > > True level rollaways *are* needed to prove SMOT OU. > > - Rick Monteverde HI Rick, You took my comment out of context. The statement was part of the two ramp set-up (4 x linked, 1 x level). No, I don't believe a climb & drop is a clear OU example. But if the same ball on the same now level track will now not move in a field gradient going from the first to the last field density, then something is going on. Energy had to come from somewhere to overcome real frictional losses. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 5 17:00:22 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA04714; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 16:59:58 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 16:59:58 -0800 From: dansway@pacbell.net Message-ID: <3460A750.7379@pacbell.net> Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 17:05:20 +0000 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-PBME (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: David Hamel References: <971105152816_325527709@emout11.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"LUKg-1.0.Z91.DQHOq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1861 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Scotty, Yes, it has to do with the flying disc. We now know how it was done by David Hamel! Dan From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 5 17:02:15 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA20872; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 17:01:29 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 17:01:29 -0800 (PST) From: dansway@pacbell.net Message-ID: <3460A780.14CF@pacbell.net> Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 17:06:08 +0000 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-PBME (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: David Hamel References: <199711052132.NAA26426@mailtod-121.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"4JdL_3.0.y55.WRHOq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1862 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Lee, Yes what? E-mail me back or call me. Dan From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 5 18:23:12 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA23954; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 18:22:34 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 18:22:34 -0800 X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3460FF9A.EB2E2172@microtronics.com.au> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 16:16:33 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: SMOT Magnetic Anomaly & Ou Proof Resent-Message-ID: <"thHm53.0.ir5.bdIOq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1863 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Greg - > You can't ignore the track losses. The Simple > Proof shows that the linked SMOT ramps DO > provide energy to overcome the frictional losses. I don't ignore them. It's like rolling a marble down inside a salad bowl. It overcomes friction and rolls all the way to the other side. The marble comes close to the edge at the other side, but not to the same level as the starting point. Catch it there and see that it takes energy to lift it back up to the same level, up to the rim again. Now look at the steel ball stuck in the fields at the end of a SMOT array. It's the same thing as the marble in the salad bowl. Takes some more energy to pull the ball out of the field. In this example, nothing but conventional behavior is described. I don't even know why you're emphasizing it as indication of anything interesting. Now if the ball rolls away from the end of the SMOT at the same gravitational potential as the one it started from, then that's something completely different! That's an anomaly; that's putative OU. That's a simple level rollaway. That's PROOF - one I'm wishing you would provide with a working example for all of us to see. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 5 20:26:37 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA15472; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 20:26:01 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 20:26:01 -0800 Message-ID: <34614432.B03FBA08@microtronics.com.au> Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 14:44:42 +1030 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List Server Freenrg CC: List Server Vortex Subject: Marbles, Bowls, Smots & DeadLocks Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------DC0D0069C8EFF07E69BB994F" Resent-Message-ID: <"1EI_B3.0.Nn3.LRKOq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1864 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------DC0D0069C8EFF07E69BB994F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi All, I have attached a Gif of Rick's bowl idea. Its self teaching. My SMOT Simple OU Proof is based on the theory that the difference in the start and end flux density, in a well adjusted SMOT ramp, represents the energy losses in going from the start to the end. Thats just simple physics. C of E as Jed would say. If, HOWEVER it can be shown that the flux differential represents a SMALLER loss than that achieved over a level track (less than the SMOT ramp), then we CLEARLY have a magnetic anomaly if not OU. As to people who wish to smash through deadlocks, I can assure you the police and the legal system in SA are very effective. I choose what I wish to give away and what I wish to keep secret. Every actual device is composed of theory and constructional elements. I understand how a transistor works, but I would never be able to build one. I give away my devices basic theory and test set-ups to verify it is real. The trade secrets of actual detailed construction are mine. That I intend to make money from my work has always been made clear. 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(8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA22047; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 21:22:06 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 21:22:06 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 00:25:44 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711060525.AAA15406@mail.wincom.net> X-Sender: wood@mail.wincom.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: wood Subject: Re: David Hamel Resent-Message-ID: <"7J_8H1.0.OO5.xFLOq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1865 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 05:06 PM 11/5/97 +0000, you wrote: >Lee, > >Yes what? > >E-mail me back or call me. > >Dan Let's cut the games if you have something to tell us do it.I met Mr. Hammel last summer and don't know what to make of him. Woody From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 5 23:11:15 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA02723; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 23:10:34 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 23:10:34 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: leoguitar@mail.vossnet.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, newman-l@emachine.com From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Testatika pictures uploaded ! Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 08:09:37 +0100 Message-Id: <19971106080937.578fef3b.in@pop3.vossnet.de> Resent-Message-ID: <"_FizK.0.Sg.erMOq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1866 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi, I finally have uploaded all the Testatika pictures I have and an ASCII files describing the Methernitha community. Have a look: http://www.overunity.de/update.htm Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 5 23:45:14 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA08643; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 23:43:31 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 23:43:31 -0800 Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 00:43:27 -0700 (MST) From: Steve Ekwall X-Sender: ekwall2@november To: vortex-l@eskimo.com cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: [off topic]Mars Pathfinder Dead?! (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"l-TEQ.0.q62.YKNOq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1867 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: A mile - hi salute to sojourner! ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:01:49 -0500 (EST) From: NASANews@hq.nasa.gov To: ekwall2@diac.com Subject: Mars Pathfinder Winds Down After Phenomenal Mission Douglas Isbell Headquarters, Washington, DC November 4, 1997 (Phone: 202/358-1753) Diane Ainsworth Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA (Phone: 818/354-5011) RELEASE: 97-255 MARS PATHFINDER WINDS DOWN AFTER PHENOMENAL MISSION After operating on the surface of Mars three times longer than expected and returning a tremendous amount of new information about the red planet, NASA's Mars Pathfinder mission is winding down. Flight operators at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA, made the announcement today after attempting to reestablish communications with the spacecraft over the last month. With depletion of the spacecraft's main battery and no success in contacting Mars Pathfinder via its main or secondary transmitters, the flight team cannot command the spacecraft or the small rover named Sojourner that had been roving about the landing site and studying rocks. "We concede that the likelihood of hearing from the spacecraft again diminishes with each day," said Pathfinder Project Manager Brian Muirhead. "We will scale back our efforts to reestablish contact but not give up entirely. "Given that, and the fact that Pathfinder is the first of several missions to Mars, we'll say 'see you later' instead of saying goodbye," he said. At the time the last telemetry from the spacecraft was received, Pathfinder's lander had operated nearly three times its design lifetime of 30 days, and the Sojourner rover operated 12 times its design lifetime of seven days. "I want to thank the many talented men and women at NASA for making the mission such a phenomenal success. It embodies the spirit of NASA, and serves as a model for future missions that are faster, better, and cheaper. Today, NASA's Pathfinder team should take a bow, because America is giving them a standing ovation for a stellar performance," said NASA Administrator Daniel S. Goldin. Since its landing on July 4, 1997, Mars Pathfinder has returned 2.6 billion bits of information, including more than 16,000 images from the lander and 550 images from the rover, as well as more than 15 chemical analyses of rocks and extensive data on winds and other weather factors. The only remaining objective was to complete the high-resolution 360-degree image of the landing site called the "Super Pan," of which 83 percent has already been received and is being processed. The last successful data transmission cycle from Pathfinder was completed at 3:23 a.m. Pacific Daylight Time on Sept. 27, which was Sol 83 of the mission. "This mission has advanced our knowledge of Mars tremendously and will surely be a beacon of success for upcoming missions to the red planet," added Dr. David Baltimore, president of the California Institute of Technology, which manages JPL for NASA. "Done quickly and within a very limited budget, Pathfinder sets a standard for 21st century space exploration." The Mars Pathfinder team first began having communications problems with the spacecraft on Saturday, Sept. 27. After three days of attempting to reestablish contact, they were able to lock on to a carrier signal from the spacecraft's auxiliary transmitter on Oct. 1, which meant that the spacecraft was still operational. They locked on to the same carrier signal again on Oct. 6, but were not able to acquire data on the condition of the lander. At that time, the team surmised that the intermittent communications were most likely related to depletion of the spacecraft's battery and a drop in the spacecraft's operating temperatures due to the loss of the battery, which kept the lander functioning at warmer temperatures. Over the last month the operations team has been working through all credible problem scenarios and taking a variety of actions in attempting to recover the link with Pathfinder. With all of the most plausible possibilities exhausted, the team plans to continue sending commands and listening for a spacecraft signal on a less frequent basis. "Basically we are shifting to a contingency strategy of sending commands to the lander only periodically, perhaps once a week or once per month," said Mission Manager Richard Cook. "Normal mission operations are over, but there is still a small chance of reestablishing a link, so we'll keep trying at a very low level." Although the true cause of the loss of lander communications may never be known, recent events are consistent with predictions made at the beginning of the extended mission in early August, Muirhead said. When asked about the life expectancy of the lander, project team members predicted that the first thing that would fail on the lander would be the battery; this apparently happened after the last successful transmission September 27. After that, the lander was expected to begin getting colder at night and go through much deeper day-night thermal cycles. Eventually, the cold or the cycling would probably render the lander inoperable. According to Muirhead, it appears that this sequence of events has probably taken place. The health and status of the rover is also unknown, but since initiating its onboard backup operations plan a month ago, the rover is probably circling the vicinity of the lander, attempting to communicate with it. The rover, which went into a contingency mode on Oct. 6, or Sol 92 of the mission, had completed an alpha proton X-ray spectrometer study of a rock nicknamed Chimp, to the left of the Rock Garden, when it was last heard from. The rover team had planned to send the rover on its longest journey yet -- a 165-foot (50-meter) clockwise stroll around the lander -- to perform a series of technology experiments and hazard avoidance exercises when the communications outage occurred. That excursion was never initiated once the rover's contingency software began operating. Now known as the Sagan Memorial Station, the Mars Pathfinder lander was designed primarily to demonstrate a low-cost way of delivering a set of science instruments and a free-ranging rover to the surface of the red planet. Landers and rovers of the future will share the heritage of spacecraft designs and technologies first tested in this "pathfinding" mission. Part of NASA's Discovery program of low-cost planetary missions, the spacecraft used an innovative method of directly entering the Martian atmosphere. Assisted by a 36-foot-diameter (11-meter) parachute, the spacecraft descended to the surface of Mars on July 4 and landed, using airbags to cushion the impact. The spacecraft's novel entry was successful. Scientific highlights of the Mars Pathfinder mission are: * Martian dust includes magnetic, composite particles, with a mean size of one micron. * Rock chemistry at the landing site may be different from Martian meteorites found on Earth, and could be of basaltic andesite composition. * The soil chemistry of Ares Vallis appears to be similar to that of the Viking 1 and 2 landing sites. * The observed atmospheric clarity is higher than was expected from Earth-based microwave measurements and Hubble Space Telescope observations. * Dust is confirmed as the dominant absorber of solar radiation in Mars' atmosphere, which has important consequences for the transport of energy in the atmosphere and its circulation. Frequent "dust devils" were found with an unmistakable temperature, wind and pressure signature, and morning turbulence; at least one may have contained dust (on Sol 62), suggesting that these gusts are a mechanism for mixing dust into the atmosphere. * Evidence of wind abrasion of rocks and dune-shaped deposits was found, indicating the presence of sand. * Morning atmospheric obscurations are due to clouds, not ground fog; Viking could not distinguish between these two possibilities. * The weather was similar to the weather encountered by Viking 1; there were rapid pressure and temperature variations, downslope winds at night and light winds in general. Temperatures were about 10 degrees warmer than those measured by Viking 1. * Diversity of albedos, or variations in the brightness of the Martian surface, was similar to other observations, but there was no evidence for the types of crystalline hematite or pyroxene absorption features detected in other locations on Mars. * The atmospheric experiment package recorded a temperature profile different than expected from microwave measurements and Hubble observations. * Rock size distribution was consistent with a flood-related deposit. * The moment of inertia of Mars was refined to a corresponding core radius of between 807 miles and 1,242 miles (1,300 and 2,000 kilometers). * The possible identification of rounded pebbles and cobbles on the ground, and sockets and pebbles in some rocks, suggests conglomerates that formed in running water, during a warmer past in which liquid water was stable. Engineering milestones of the mission included demonstrating a new way of delivering a spacecraft to the surface of Mars by way of direct entry into the Martian atmosphere. In addition, Mars Pathfinder demonstrated for the first time the ability of engineers to deliver a semi-autonomous roving vehicle capable of conducting science experiments to the surface of another planet. The Mars Pathfinder mission is managed by the Jet Propulsion Laboratory for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, DC. The mission is the second in the Discovery program of fast track, low-cost spacecraft with highly focused science goals. JPL is managed by the California Institute of Technology, Pasadena, CA. -end- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Nov 6 00:33:31 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA12456; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 00:33:14 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 00:33:14 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3460A750.7379@pacbell.net> References: <971105152816_325527709@emout11.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 22:29:16 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: David Hamel Resent-Message-ID: <"olyBz3.0.W23.83OOq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1868 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Dan - > We now know how it was done by David Hamel! Do you intend to publicly describe what the catch is so others might duplicate the feat, or is it to be kept under yet another layer of secrecy? If so, why? - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Nov 6 06:18:31 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA22387; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 06:16:18 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 06:16:18 -0800 From: dansway@pacbell.net Message-ID: <346161F5.60E9@pacbell.net> Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 06:21:41 +0000 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-PBME (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: David Hamel References: <971105152816_325527709@emout11.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"pk_Qt.0.iT5.m4TOq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1869 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Rick Monteverde wrote: > > Dan - > > > We now know how it was done by David Hamel! > > Do you intend to publicly describe what the catch is so others might > duplicate the feat, or is it to be kept under yet another layer of secrecy? > If so, why? > > - Rick Monteverde > Honolulu, HI Rick, Pierre Sinclair is very hard at work with the new alteration to his GMD. Wish him luck and we will have something exciting very soon. Dan From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Nov 6 08:20:20 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA27120; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 08:19:48 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 08:19:48 -0800 Message-ID: <3461EE14.72E9@localnet.com> Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 11:19:34 -0500 From: "Paul C. Spangler" Reply-To: spangler@localnet.com Organization: ubik design X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Marbles, Bowls, Smots & DeadLocks References: <34614432.B03FBA08@microtronics.com.au> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------DEC4801AB2" Resent-Message-ID: <"O5qDi.0.ad6.ZuUOq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1870 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------DEC4801AB2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A thought experiment with salad bowls is not the same as a physical experiment with real measurements.. However, here is my contribution to this discussion: The three tracks (or salad bowls), whos profiles are shown in the attached GIF, have the same beginning and end "flux density". The curve of the first two tracks are an attempt to mimic the flux gradients of SMOT ramps. A ball is placed at the left end and given a gentle push. The ball is placed at the right end and given a gentle push. What do you think would happen? ---------------------------- Paul C. 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text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Michael Randall Subject: Re: New Adams motor design. Resent-Message-ID: <"s4Z0u2.0.bN1.5-UOq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1871 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi Jean-Louis, At 04:34 PM 11/4/97 -0500, you wrote: >Hi All, > >I have added some updates in my web site, most particularly, you will find a >new design of my Adams motor V4.0 >at : http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/jlnaudin/admsv40.htm > >In this new design of my Adams Motor V4.0 the main rotor is placed verticaly, >thus it is easier to use the mechanical power generated. This version uses >ferrite baryum magnets ( BH max about 25 kJ/m3 ( 3.2 MGO) ). > >This Adams motor V4.0 uses an enhanced electronic controler and uses only one >TopFet (BUK100). The coils activators are used in resonance mode ( with 2x220 >uF capacitors in parallel ), thus the electrical power input is reduced Vs >the previous release of this motor for the same mechanical output. <....> Nice pictures of your Adams unit! Yes, the field input with an LC tank would be minimum energy. The scope pictures looked Pout greater then Pin. Was there also mechanical load on the rotor? An idea, what would happen if the rotor had EM coils instead of the permenant magnets and was also an LC tank at resonance, with the field EM coils also at LC resonance. Then you could with induction turn the rotor. That way you could maybe use standard motors? Sincerely, Michael Randall From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Nov 6 09:53:18 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA21260; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 09:52:47 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 09:52:47 -0800 From: JNaudin509@aol.com Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 12:52:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971106124538_-1845027285@emout04.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Adams Test V4.1 with NIB Magnets Resent-Message-ID: <"LJ_PG.0.1C5.jFWOq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1872 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi All, I have updated my web site with my latest report about the Adams motor V4.1 using NIB magnets at : http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/jlnaudin/admsv41.htm Sincerely, Jean-Louis Naudin (11/06/97 17:46 GMT) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Nov 6 10:41:30 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA01691; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 10:41:10 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 10:41:10 -0800 X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3461EE14.72E9@localnet.com> References: <34614432.B03FBA08@microtronics.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 08:37:41 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: Marbles, Bowls, Smots & DeadLocks Resent-Message-ID: <"JOwMa.0.GQ.4zWOq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1873 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Paul - > A ball is placed at the left end and given a gentle > push. The ball is placed at the right end and given > a gentle push. What do you think would happen? Without the eddy current and other effects from actual magnets, the entry from the left would probably be a good imitation of a SMOT. Entry from the right should yield roughly the same results in salad bowls in terms of where the ball ends up at the end (at its highest point, not the rolling back and oscillating). Not sure exactly what you're getting at here? - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Nov 6 11:11:20 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA07999; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 11:11:00 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 11:11:00 -0800 From: HLafonte@aol.com Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 14:10:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971106141021_-1811474610@mrin41.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Update on claim from tampabay Resent-Message-ID: <"3nuZS.0.py1.3PXOq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1874 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Just received this: Subj: Re: Steve, how about update? Date: 97-11-06 11:04:13 EST From: 007@tampabay.rr.com (Steve) To: HLafonte@aol.com The people that I was to partner with wanted more than I was willing to giveup. I am presently looking to partner with someone else at this time. The concept and a copy of the patent is to be published in New Energy News. I have not be told what issue it will appear in yet as the package they requested just went out today. GM's new devices section is presently reviewing the concept but I am not sure what there response will be. HLafonte@aol.com wrote: > Steve, > How is your project going? When will the web site be up? > Thanks, > Butch LaFonte From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Nov 6 11:42:36 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA11814; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 11:42:05 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 11:42:05 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34621B5A.4AEC@localnet.com> Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 14:32:48 -0500 From: "Paul C. Spangler" Reply-To: spangler@localnet.com Organization: ubik design X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Marbles, Bowls, Smots & DeadLocks References: <34614432.B03FBA08@microtronics.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"9o4ny.0.Vu2.BsXOq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1875 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Rick Monteverde wrote: > Without the eddy current and other effects from actual magnets, the entry > from the left would probably be a good imitation of a SMOT. Entry from the > right should yield roughly the same results in salad bowls in terms of > where the ball ends up at the end (at its highest point, not the rolling > back and oscillating). > > Not sure exactly what you're getting at here? > > - Rick Monteverde > Honolulu, HI Sorry I wasn't clear. I was thinking of Greg W's comparison of the angle needed for rolll-thru perfomance on a SMOT ramp when starting the ball from one end or the other. I think frictional and other energy losses are enough to explain the difference, but I'm always hopeful that someone (maybe Greg) will come up with something that shows the limits of the known physical "laws". ---------------------------- Paul C. Spangler Stratford, CT 06497 spangler@localnet.com ---------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Nov 6 11:42:54 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA16613; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 11:42:31 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 11:42:31 -0800 From: HLafonte@aol.com Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 14:41:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971106144154_-660099936@mrin42.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Secret to Werjefelt and Muller motors? Resent-Message-ID: <"r1wQL1.0.U34.csXOq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1876 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi all, I believe the secret to the Werjefelt and Muller motors could be in the fast switching of the balance system on and off. If one aspect of switching is true, then the rest is very simple. That one aspect is, can the act of diverting flux with an air core coil be done with less electrical energy as the switch on time goes down. The maximun field strength has to always reach the same level, but the shorter the on time, the more efficient the system. You electrical guys could help here. How could an air core coil be configured and operated so as to switch it on and off for shorter time periods and still acheive a given field strength, and in the process reduce the amount of power to the coil per pulse. Is this possible? It seems to me that a coil having current going thru it for 1 minute uses more energy than a coil having current going thru it for 1 second. How do you reduce the inductive time constant but still reach a given field strength and in the process decrease energy input to the coil? Thanks, Butch From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Nov 6 13:17:36 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA02062; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 13:17:00 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 13:17:00 -0800 Message-ID: <34623296.E39B8B39@microtronics.com.au> Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 07:41:50 +1030 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: List Server Vortex Subject: Re: Adams Test V4.1 with NIB Magnets References: <971106124538_-1845027285@emout04.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Z_IZn.0.eV.4FZOq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1877 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: JNaudin509@aol.com wrote: > > Hi All, > > I have updated my web site with my latest report about the Adams motor V4.1 > using NIB magnets at : > > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/jlnaudin/admsv41.htm > > Sincerely, > > Jean-Louis Naudin (11/06/97 17:46 GMT) HI Jean-Louis, Yes, you are right, NeoDyms are not the answer. In an Adam's type motor, the magnet is like a wall that you push (magnetically) away from. The magnet is the wall and the field of the coil is the hand. As the coils field builds up a opposing flux, it attempts to dealign domains on the pole face surface of the magnet. The amount of dealignment determines how much flux the magnet losses and how soft the wall is. At low field densities, the ferrites are as hard as a NeoDym, but without the larger ferromagnetic attractive forces. The use of NeoDyms or ANY magnet type is determined by the - H field the magnet will work in. You calc the max flux density of the coil and then pick a magnet type which will achieve a say 20% reduction in its field density at the max operation flux. That way, you achieve min cost and min ferromagnetic attractive forces and their associated bearing losses. The energy in a Adam's type motor comes from the coil energy. Normally going to a stiffer magnet will not increase output, unless as above, the magnet is being operated way down its B/H curve due to high coil generated flux densities. Wish I has your machine shop. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Nov 6 14:49:17 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA22329; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 14:48:42 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 14:48:42 -0800 (PST) From: HLafonte@aol.com Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 17:47:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971106174721_560311745@mrin44.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Formula for fast switching lower energy use? Resent-Message-ID: <"VsuJ2.0.jS5.1baOq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1878 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi all, If you had to use more energy to divert flux with a switch (air core coil) to achieve a fast switch switch time, then I wonder if that energy is stored in the magnetic field of the coil and can be recovered when it collapses ? Comments, Butch From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Nov 6 16:22:57 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA09697; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 16:20:49 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 16:20:49 -0800 (PST) From: dansway@pacbell.net Message-ID: <3461EF63.6220@pacbell.net> Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 16:25:07 +0000 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-PBME (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: David Hamel References: <199711060525.AAA15406@mail.wincom.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"2TV3v1.0.KN2.ExbOq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1879 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi Woody, What part of the World do you call home? Dan LaRochelle From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Nov 6 21:45:44 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA17352; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 21:45:18 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 21:45:18 -0800 Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 00:49:28 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711070549.AAA17597@mail.wincom.net> X-Sender: wood@mail.wincom.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: wood Subject: Re: David Hamel Resent-Message-ID: <"6EG_b1.0._E4.jhgOq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1880 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 04:25 PM 11/6/97 +0000, you wrote: >Hi Woody, > >What part of the World do you call home? > >Dan LaRochelle > > I am about as south in Canada as you can go.In fact when I go to the U.S. I have to drive North across the border. I live near Windsor Ont. Just south of Detroit and about 300 miles (500 K) from Hammel Woody From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Nov 6 22:49:28 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA25129; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 22:48:06 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 22:48:06 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 18:34:50 +1100 Message-Id: <199711070734.SAA20765@main.murray.net.au> X-Sender: egel@mail.sa.ozland.net.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Geoff Egel Subject: Re: Cheap Linear Hall Effect Device Resent-Message-ID: <"aM1zW3.0.Y86.achOq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1881 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 07:30 PM 11/4/97 +1030, you wrote: >Hi All, > >I believe the "Real" builders on these lists should adopt a low cost, >standard Magnetic Flux Density measuring device. > >I use a UGN3503U Linear Hall Effect sensor to do my flux density >measurements. It costs $3.95 Aus from any Disk Smith Electronic >(Australia) store. Part # Z-2620. It has a 13v / Tesla (1.3v / 1,000 >Gauss, 130mv / 100 Gauss, 13mv / 10 Gauss, 1.3mv / 1 Gauss) >sensitivity and a noise (error) factor of +- 90uv / +- 0.07 Gauss. >Max freq is 23Khz (-3bd). Not bad for a $3.95 (>$3.00 Us) part. > >Any other contenders? > >-- >Best Regards, > Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson > >could you send me a circuit diagram for flux density measurement I bought a heap of hall effect devices a while ago from Dick Smith Geoff > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Nov 7 00:33:31 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA17453; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 00:33:10 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 00:33:10 -0800 Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 00:32:54 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711070832.AAA24023@germany.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: mrandall@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Michael Randall Subject: Tabletop Fusion Experiment Resent-Message-ID: <"D9ihD3.0.XG4.59jOq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1882 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Here is some information on an electrostatically confined fusion device, called the fusor. It is not a self-sustaining fusion device nor a free energy device. The latest Electric Spacecraft Journal (ESJ) No.22 describes a fusor experiment done recently (Sept. 28, 1997) by Richard Hull. The article is titled "Fusor Neutron Generators" reviewed by Leslee Kulba. "The production of neutrons seems to be occuring in special vacuum tube designs known as Fusors. The phenomenon is reminiscent of work done by Tesla and Farnsworth. Tom Ligon has described and demonstrated recent work with Fusors which is attributable to Dr. R.W. Bussard." Richard Hull duplicated the air version of the fusor and generated a plasma ball with ray and a plasma ball with bugle as shown in the article photographs. The plasma ball looked about 1" diameter with the jet on one end about 3" long, as seen from the clear 24" vacuum chamber dome. Glowing sheaths or quills, and pulsed anomalous glow discharges are also some of the phonomena, depending on the voltage and gas used. The simple demonstration air fusor, as described, is basically two concentric geodesic grids, about basketball and golf ball sized, with between 100V and 3kV dc grid bias, enclosed in a vacuum chamber to 200 microns. This fusor if filled with deuterium and operated at 14kV, is capable of generating 300,000 neutrons per second. A simple neutron detector is also described. Dr. Robert W. Bussard and his associates are continuing the reseach efforts. "If fusors can be developed into viable power sources, Bussard is optimistic that their ability to supply great amounts of energy, without the tremendous heating and dangerous levels of radioactivity associated with thermonuclear fusion, could lead to the development of space drives for routine interplanetary travel within our lifetimes." Additional Sources: Richard Hull, Tesla Coil Builders of Richmond (TCBR) Robert W. Bussard USA Patents 5,160,695 Method and Apparatus for Creating and Controlling Nuclear Fusion Reactions 4,826,646 Method and Apparatus for Controlling Charged Particles ---------------------- Information on a Fusor Generator This device can be used for the study of plasma ball energy that occurs during nuclear fusion. This fusor unit is not a self sustaining nor an over-unity energy device. For complete information see R.W. Bussard patents and the Electric Spacecraft Journal, Issue 22 that R. Hull supplied the information and photographs for the article. Fusor Air Generator Parts List: Stainless steel welding wire (0.025" 608) or, tantalum wire. Desiccator vacuum chamber 18" to 24" in diameter with clear top to see the fusion. One high voltage feedthrough. A needle valve for the vacuum. Vacuum pump capable of producing an atmosphere of 200 microns. Neon sign transformer rectified to give the negative grid a bias of between 100 and 3000 volts dc with currents kept below 30ma. These limits also restricts x-ray emission. This fusor unit only contains air. Spot welder. Parts for Fusor Neutron generators: Will require much lower pressures so nuclear gases, such as deuterium may be pumped in. With the above fusor air unit, filled with deuterium and operated at 14kv, is capable of generating 300,000 neutrons per second. Assembly: Spot weld two concentric geodesic wire grids as follows. The outer wire geodesic grid is between a basketball and a beach ball size. It must fit in the vacuum chamber. It should be grounded or biased between +120 and +160v. The inner wire geodesic grid size is between that of a golf ball and softball. Each geodesic grid is made of six ring circles of wire all the same size. \ / ---\/--- / \ Top View of a Geodesic Grid Spot weld 3 rings on axis spaced 60 degrees apart at the intersection, at top and bottom pole. Side View (no diagram). Spot weld 3 rings diagonal 45 degrees off axis. The smaller geodesic grid is centered inside the larger. Attach the HV insulator to the grids and feed the wires out to the neon transnformer. The spacing between the grids may need to be adjusted. Operation: With voltage applied, ions will be attracted to the inner grid. Those ions that don't collide with each other or the wire grid simply pass through the other side of the inner grid, only to be drawn back by the "potential well", recirculating until they eventually collide. The experimental results will depend on the voltage and the gas used. Plasma balls with or without bugles, glowing sheaths or quills, and pulsed anomalous glow discharges are some of the phenomena which may be created with fusors. (see photo's in ESJ) Non-nuclear gases, such as air and helium, will produce the same visual effects as deuterium and other neutron-producing gases. Furthermore, some gases which do not react in thermonuclear situations can produce neutrons in fusor reactions. A neutron detector will be needed to gauge the extent of any deuterium-deuterium fusion occuring. A simple neutron detector consists of several sheets of indium foil hung 3/4" apart in clear polyethylene container filled with water or paraffin wax. Water or wax will slow the neutrons down so they can be absorbed by the indium, which produces a secondary emission. This detector is good for exposures of about one minute in duration. Future Fusor Work. Richard W. Bussard and his associates are continuing the reseach effort. Area to study are as followed: Deepening and narrowing the "potential well" inside the inner grid. Methods to increase ion collisions inside the potential well and decrease collisions on the grid wires; magnetizing the grids, pulsing the ions at resonance frequency, concentrating ion formation with non-metal grid, alternating the voltage to the grid, and other means. Methods of collecting the neutrons for direct conversion to electricity. To eventually achieve a self-sustained fusor to power conventional loads. Good Experimenting, Michael Randall From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Nov 7 01:38:14 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA23854; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 01:38:02 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 01:38:02 -0800 X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <34621B5A.4AEC@localnet.com> References: <34614432.B03FBA08@microtronics.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 23:34:12 -1000 To: Free Energy List From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: Marbles, Bowls, Smots & DeadLocks Resent-Message-ID: <"xAGnr2.0.dq5.u5kOq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1883 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Paul - > ...I'm always hopeful that someone (maybe Greg) > will come up with something that shows the limits > of the known physical "laws". Me too! S'why I'm here. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Nov 7 02:34:09 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA16077; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 02:33:33 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 02:33:33 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 02:32:50 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711071032.CAA23022@iceland.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: data for ferrites Resent-Message-ID: <"pxUSJ1.0.3x3.uvkOq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1884 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Does anyone know of a web page for ferroxcube ferrites? I searched for "ferroxcube" and "Philips components". Thanks, Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Nov 7 03:58:33 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA08045; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 03:58:09 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 03:58:09 -0800 From: JNaudin509@aol.com Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 06:57:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971107065733_193533506@mrin39> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: ELECTROGRAVITY NEWS - AN IMPORTANT DISCOVERY ----- Resent-Message-ID: <"2OYrG2.0.bz1.F9mOq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1885 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi All, You will find in my web site, a VERY IMPORTANT DOCUMENT about Electrogravity, this document explain major T.T. Brown experiments and will soon open the space frontiers and the way to free energy. I suggest you to read carefully this document, this will change your point a view about the Newton's third principle........ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------- ELECTROSTATIC PENDULUM EXPERIMENT WHICH PUMPS ENERGY FROM THE ETHER - By Cornille Patrick ( France ) Published on 11/07/97 http://members.aol.com/overunity/elecpexp/elecpexp.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The violation of Newton's third principle implies consequences that can be tested experimentally, namely a charged capacitor at rest in the Earth reference frame can set itself in motion and accelerate its center of mass without external help. -------------------- The violation of Newton's third principle by the Lorentz forces implies that a charged capacitor must accelerate its center of mass without external help if the capacitor has an absolute motion with respect to the ether. Moreover the existence of an external force must also result in the violation of energy conservation. The experiment showing the linear spontaneous motion of the capacitor through the ether has already been reported elsewhere. The experiment consists of two heavy metallic balls suspended by fine cotton wires to the ceiling of the laboratory. In order to keep the balls at a fixed distance D, an insulating rod is used between the balls. Therefore, the bi-filar pendulum with the two balls make a capacitor that moves as a solid with the Earth's velocity U = Ui where Ui is also the ionic velocity defined with respect to the ether frame......... You will find the complete document and demonstration with the first tests results at : http://members.aol.com/overunity/elecpexp/elecpexp.html PS: If you want to contact Patrick Cornille, send me an Email and I shall forward your request, because Patrick don't have an electronic mailbox. Sincerely, ( This mail has been sent at 11h34 GMT on 07 November 97 ) Jean-Louis Naudin ( France / GMT+1 ) Email : JNaudin509@aol.com my Overunity WEB Server : http://members.aol.com/JNaudin509/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Nov 7 11:51:58 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA23598; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:51:26 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:51:26 -0800 Message-ID: <346362AE.D61E9A6A@pavilion.co.uk> Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 19:49:28 +0100 From: Rob Dowse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freenrg-l@eskimo.com" Subject: [Fwd: Gary generator-Where is the Nutral line?] X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------60A08BFC391AD4DE837784A5" Resent-Message-ID: <"mWjsO.0.dm5.y4tOq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1886 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------60A08BFC391AD4DE837784A5 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------D34E35A4085E06D678E448E0" --------------D34E35A4085E06D678E448E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -- --------- Rob Dowse --------------D34E35A4085E06D678E448E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit -- 
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  --------------D34E35A4085E06D678E448E0-- --------------60A08BFC391AD4DE837784A5 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-ID: <346361F4.1C510A69@pavilion.co.uk> Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 19:46:21 +0100 From: Rob Dowse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mark@plug-in.com.br Subject: Gary generator-Where is the Nutral line? X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199710112001.RAA25781@bigbox.plug-in.com.br> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------1C3BD475D3F0574E6292B20E" --------------1C3BD475D3F0574E6292B20E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Marcelo Sorry for thr delay in replying to this. I have been wanting to have a go at Gary's Motor for ages. I tried to look for the Neutral Line, but cannot see any sign of it. I built fig1 and 2 and waved by hand and on pivots, various pieces of iron in and arround the magnets. I connected my scope to opposite ends of the iron and could see the trace wobble in response to movement but it allways seemed to be in phase, as it were, with the movement's direction. I didn't see a hint that the field in the iron had changed direction unexpectedly. The explanation and the experiment in figure 1, ie the nail doing it's stuff, seemed perfectly conventional at all times. My horse shoe magnets were compound. The north and south legs were each made from a stack of flat ferite (BM1) with a mild steel flat bar 'keeper' forming the curved part of the horse shoe shape. What have I done wrong. Where is the Neutral line? Marcelo Puhl wrote: > Is there any chance of overunity on such a device ? > > See it at : > > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/4810/ > > Marcelo -- --------- Rob Dowse --------------1C3BD475D3F0574E6292B20E Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Marcelo

Sorry for thr delay in replying to this. I have been wanting to have a go at Gary's Motor for ages.

I tried to look for the Neutral Line, but cannot see any sign of it. I built fig1 and 2 and waved by hand and on pivots, various pieces of iron in and arround the magnets. I connected my scope to opposite ends of the iron and could see the trace wobble in response to movement but it allways seemed to be in phase, as it were, with the movement's direction. I didn't see a hint that the field in the iron had changed direction unexpectedly.

The explanation and the experiment in figure 1, ie the nail doing it's stuff, seemed perfectly conventional at all times.

My horse shoe magnets were compound. The north and south legs were each made from a stack of flat ferite (BM1) with a mild steel flat bar 'keeper' forming the curved part of the horse shoe shape.

What have I done wrong. Where is the Neutral line?

Marcelo Puhl wrote:

Is there any chance of overunity on such a device ?

See it at :

http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/4810/

Marcelo

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Rob Dowse
  --------------1C3BD475D3F0574E6292B20E-- --------------60A08BFC391AD4DE837784A5-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Nov 7 14:54:38 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA20873; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:52:58 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:52:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34639BAF.51E18307@microtronics.com.au> Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 09:22:31 +1030 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List Server Freenrg CC: List Server Vortex Subject: SMOT OU Proof Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Op0jS1.0.165.5lvOq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1887 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: HI All, I have loaded additional SMOT OU Proof data. I have shown that a Lower Level Rollaway can be OU and is in fact the way I developed the SMOT Ramp. Read it if you wish. Discard it if you wish. However the theory, set-ups and results are real. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Nov 7 18:12:29 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA29748; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 18:11:32 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 18:11:32 -0800 Sender: ralph@gateway.minimal.com Message-ID: <3463CA47.661E849A@minimal.com> Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 21:11:19 -0500 From: ralph muha Organization: minimal, limited X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; Linux 2.0.30 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Doing physics with quaternions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"aq-sK1.0.eG7.JfyOq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1888 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: http://world.std.com/~sweetser/quaternions/qindex/qindex.html I found this site recently. Quaternions are 4D complex numbers, invented by Hamilton, employed by Maxwell and discarded by Heaviside. According to Bearden, many important aspects of Maxwell's work were lost in the process. This gentleman has reformulated all kinds of physics equations using quaternions. His treatment of Maxwell is particularly fascinating. He sets up a quaternion wave equation and, with a few operations, derives all four Maxwell equations as terms of a single quaternion. http://world.std.com/~sweetser/quaternions/EandM/Maxwell/Maxwell.html This stuff lends much credence to Bearden. There is even a page on gauge transformations, another subject of Bearden's work. The pages were generated using Mathematica. There is a note explaining the format of the equations. r From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Nov 7 19:24:59 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA26295; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 19:23:49 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 19:23:49 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3463D9FC.5904591E@microtronics.com.au> Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 13:48:20 +1030 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List Server Freenrg CC: List Server Vortex Subject: SMOT Mk4 Reduced Magnetic "Drag Back" for Improved Rollaways Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"YzAqL1.0.lQ6.-izOq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1889 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi All, I have loaded information on how the SMOT Mk2 type ramp is modified in the SMOT Mk4 design to produce reduced magnetic Drag Back on the exiting ball. You will find QField sims to explain how this is possible. The SMOT Mk4 array is now asymmetric in two axis. The data can be accessed from the SMOT page in the experimental data section under "SMOT Mk4 Reduced Magnetic "Drag Back" for Improved Rollaways (08/11/97)". --- Best Regards, Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Nov 7 21:23:01 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA17142; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 21:22:37 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 21:22:37 -0800 (PST) To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 18:42:38 -0800 Subject: Gravity modification ?? Message-ID: <19971107.211830.6822.0.tv@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-5,7,9-16 From: tv@juno.com (Tim D Vaughan) Resent-Message-ID: <"aHGIT3.0.lB4.QS_Oq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1890 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >John Herman Schnurer said: > PS: I get hammered some for gravity work.... I expect to be more >so, from time to time. Maybe one day I will have nice clean effect of >more power than the nice clean reproducible effect I do now.... > BUT: The effect of gravity modification is not MY effect.... and >credit goes to those before who showed me. It is not my effect any more >than the sky is my sky. Please tell us more. Are you spinning superconductor disks ? Tim Vaughan ( tv@juno.com ) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Nov 7 21:24:17 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA17272; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 21:23:22 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 21:23:22 -0800 (PST) To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 21:18:22 -0800 Subject: In defense of Greg Watson Message-ID: <19971107.211830.6822.2.tv@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-7,9-14,16-17,19-30 From: tv@juno.com (Tim D Vaughan) Resent-Message-ID: <"jU75Q2.0.bD4.1T_Oq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1891 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: >JHS said: >Greg: Do what you do. AND: Be true to you... don't let events >get to you. If it goes, it goes. >Everyone: Remember, grace is best. As number 1 on the SMOT kit list, I say amen ! Men have tried to build free energy machines (perpetual motion machines) for centuries. If Greg Watson has one, I can wait a few weeks ! > 1] We got a guy who is doing his level best to send some good > ideas down the pipes..... and back it up with a lot of data. > 2] Without question he has put in time, faith, money, goodwill. > 3] Name 10 ... or even two who have done as much or as openly as > Greg has .... in the last 50 or 100 years. > John Herman Schnurer I second this too ! Tim Vaughan ( tv@juno.com ) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Nov 7 21:24:33 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA17297; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 21:23:25 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 21:23:25 -0800 (PST) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 21:15:45 -0800 Subject: Re: [Fwd: Gary generator-Where is the Neutral line?] Message-ID: <19971107.211830.6822.1.tv@juno.com> References: <346362AE.D61E9A6A@pavilion.co.uk> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2,4-7,10-11,15-22 From: tv@juno.com (Tim D Vaughan) Resent-Message-ID: <"rw5La3.0.3E4.6T_Oq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1892 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Do the experiment with a small nail or pin attached to the induced magnet as described in the Gary article. When you move it closed to the poles of the permanent magnet it drops off and then can be reattached as you move it closer. This works for me. The "neutral line" is not in the magnetic field of the permanent magnet but rather it is a response of the induced magnet. I believe it is the point where the induced spins just cancel in the piece of soft iron. As far as get abrupt changes that will induce pulses in a coil wrapped around the soft iron armature, I have not been able to get such abrupt transistion that Gary describes. However, I have not tried the layered armature that he describes, in the article. The layers may be critical. Tim Vaughan >Sorry for the delay in replying to this. I have been wanting to have a >go at Gary's Motor for ages. > >I tried to look for the Neutral Line, but cannot see any sign of it. I From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Nov 7 22:03:49 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA22663; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 22:03:27 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 22:03:27 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 22:02:47 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711080602.WAA07766@norway.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: mrandall@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Michael Randall Subject: Re: In defense of Greg Watson Resent-Message-ID: <"ysVAq1.0.0Y5.j20Pq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1893 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 09:18 PM 11/7/97 -0800, you wrote: >>JHS said: >>Greg: Do what you do. AND: Be true to you... don't let events >>get to you. If it goes, it goes. > >>Everyone: Remember, grace is best. > >As number 1 on the SMOT kit list, I say amen ! > > Men have tried to build free energy machines (perpetual motion machines) >for centuries. > > If Greg Watson has one, I can wait a few weeks ! > > >> 1] We got a guy who is doing his level best to send some good >> ideas down the pipes..... and back it up with a >lot of data. >> 2] Without question he has put in time, faith, money, goodwill. >> 3] Name 10 ... or even two who have done as much or as openly as > >> Greg has .... in the last 50 or 100 years. > > >> John Herman Schnurer > > >I second this too ! > >Tim Vaughan >( tv@juno.com ) I carry this motion. As number 18th on the SMOT list I can wait a little longer for the "Holy Grail of Energy" device. :-) Regards, Michael Randall From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Nov 8 01:41:26 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA08630; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 01:41:04 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 01:41:04 -0800 Message-ID: <346433B8.B685FC98@microtronics.com.au> Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 20:11:12 +1030 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com, List Server Freenrg Subject: Re: PMOD, RMOG, and E&M Free Energy References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"VBn01.0.d62.kE3Pq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1894 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Larry Wharton wrote: > > I had a few comments about my E&M Free Energy formula. To review it we have > > S = 1/T INT (Grad(H) cross B) dot d A(H) > > with S the free energy power density, H and B the usual magnetic field > quantities, (Grad(H) cross B) the curl in H three dimensional space of B, T > the time of a complete cycle of the device and INT denoting the surface > integral over the area A(H) enclosed by the path of a cycle in H space. > This formula comes from the standard conservation of energy for a > macroscopic media. There is no question about the starting point and there > is no doubt that the starting equations do not show conservation of energy > for a wide range of conditions. It is rare to see this fact actually > admitted in E&M texts but it is obvious and it is occasionally > acknowledged. For example quoting Advanced Electrodynamics - Foundation, > Theory and applications, T. W. Barnett and D. M. Grimes, World Scientific > Publishing, 1995, ISBN 981-02-2095-2 , page 485 we have: > "The usual expression [for the energy] may only be obtained if the medium > is linear ...Besides epsilon and mu must be independent of time or any > factor that depends on time. These restrictions leave out many interesting > media and rapidly varying fields." > Here the authors admit that a conservation equation cannot be derived > under the stated conditions. My analysis actually further restricts the > conditions under which energy is not conserved. If B has an isotropic > dependence upon H then (Grad(H) cross B) will be zero and the free energy > will be zero. Thus non-linear isotropic materials also conserve energy. > That would seen to take out all of the magnetic OU devices ever proposed as > not one of them have used an anisotropic magnetic material. Anisotropic > materials are usually not used as they are rare, expensive and do not have > any unique properties that are thought to be of interest. They are usually > monocrystal materials that are grown or found in nature. In all the > proposed magnetic OU devices that I have seen, there are no magnetic > monocrystals included. > That would seem to cut out everything except PMOD devices with the > rapidly varying in time fields. Now what about the RMOG? I had initially > excluded it because the area in H space could be divided into two equal > area surfaces in which the curl(H) of B would be antisymmetric. This would > give S = 0 . However with the latest updates on the RMOG I see that the > coil is operated in a manner that breaks this symmetry. So it might work, > if it had anisotropic magnetic materials. > I think, but am not sure, that permanent magnets with the field near > saturation may be anisotropic. If we applied a magnetic field > perpendicular the magnetic field of a PM near saturation I would expect PM > field to decrease because it is near saturation and the applied field will > further increase the saturation. An experiment like that should be done. > If there is an effect then the perpendicular field should be held constant > while a field is applied along the axis of the PM, and the change in the > perpendicular field should be measured. If the two derivatives of the > magnetic field with respect to a change in the applied perpendicular > magnetic field are different, then the curl in H space will be non-zero. > That then means the OU may be possible within the framework of standard E&M > theory. I would like to do this experiment but I don't have any > magnetometers. If some one would like to do this, I would be available to > help out over private e-mail. > Greg Watson says that his devices violate conservation of energy and are > based on standard physics. He may be using accepted physics to calculate > the B and H fields but he has not shown any acceptable theory for the > violation of conservation of energy. An experiment showing that (Grad(H) > cross B) is non-zero would be of great value in establishing that RMOG type > devices may be OU based on standard E&M. Further theoretical work is > required to properly analyse the operation of PMOD like devices. > > Lawrence E. Wharton > NASA/GSFC code 913 > Greenbelt MD 20771 > (301) 286-3486 Email - wharton@climate.gsfc.nasa.gov Hi Lawrence, Thanks for the input. My Rmog development seems to also indicate that the better the anisotropic characteristics of the magnet (the stiffer / flatter its B/H curve), the greater the external flux distortion in the air gap produced by the opposing coil flux due to the approaching ferrite flux gate. The only problem with highly anisotropic magnets is that they also exhibit high pole face flux densities and hence high ferromagnetic attractive forces. But that's just a design / engineering problem. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Nov 8 01:47:32 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA09563; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 01:47:22 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 01:47:22 -0800 Message-ID: <3464352A.1D4EBEF3@microtronics.com.au> Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 20:17:22 +1030 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: List Server Vortex Subject: Re: In defense of Greg Watson (Never received Original) References: <19971107.211830.6822.2.tv@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"f8vT_3.0.KL2.eK3Pq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1895 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Tim D Vaughan wrote: > > >JHS said: > >Greg: Do what you do. AND: Be true to you... don't let events > >get to you. If it goes, it goes. > > >Everyone: Remember, grace is best. > > As number 1 on the SMOT kit list, I say amen ! > > Men have tried to build free energy machines (perpetual motion machines) > for centuries. > > If Greg Watson has one, I can wait a few weeks ! > > > 1] We got a guy who is doing his level best to send some good > > ideas down the pipes..... and back it up with a > lot of data. > > 2] Without question he has put in time, faith, money, goodwill. > > 3] Name 10 ... or even two who have done as much or as openly as > > > Greg has .... in the last 50 or 100 years. > > > > John Herman Schnurer > > I second this too ! > > Tim Vaughan Hi Tim, Thanks for the kind words. BUT I NEVER RECEIVED THE ORIGINAL QUOTED POST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Happens about 25% of the time. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Nov 8 04:52:33 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA24580; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 04:52:11 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 04:52:11 -0800 Message-ID: <34646087.B15A72B2@microtronics.com.au> Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 23:22:23 +1030 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com, List Server Freenrg Subject: Re: In defense of Greg Watson (Never received Original) References: <19971107.211830.6822.2.tv@juno.com> <3464352A.1D4EBEF3@microtronics.com.au> <3464490F.E8B3B93D@verisoft.com.tr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"H7LMZ2.0.v_5.v16Pq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1896 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hamdi Ucar wrote: > > Greg Watson wrote: > > > > Hi Tim, > > > > Thanks for the kind words. > > > > BUT I NEVER RECEIVED THE ORIGINAL QUOTED POST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > > Happens about 25% of the time. > > Did you taking account that Tim is on the freenrg list? I get my FreeNrg posts before Vortex, most of the time. > Hi Greg, > > I am building a new track for MK2 on one ramp configuration. Is there any modification on track design since June 24? > > Could you easily obtaining (without reducing friction losses to minimal with extreme care) level roll-away for single ramp? > > Have you important recommendations other than your previous postings and documentation? Please do not consume time for this, I have not yet finished building it and my magnets size are not compatible with yours. > > Regards, > > hamdi ucar HI Hamdi, Please review the two 08/11/97 updates on the SMOT page. They are Mk2 applicable. The method given to create asymmetric above / below flux densities is important. I will be shortly posting details of the angled (increased incline) SMOT Mk2 type arrays use in the Mk4 design. Basically the arrays start at magnet and ball centre line equal and increase to a 5mm magnet array centre line above the ball at exit. I have developed a static method of determining the ramp length and the magnet array spacing for optimal ramp climb (PE gain and KE retain) and exit. I will post this data tomorrow after I have done a few drawings to explain why it is so. Basically the method is to position the arrays and ball to be on each others centre line and use a level track to find the static null point (where the ball stops in the middle of the array. The track is then cut to effect a exit at that point. The ball therefore doesn't enter the negative declining flux wall (Blue hole) but exits down the Blue Hole's boundary. Remember that the "Blue Hole" is not a hole but a 3D sphere. Magnet spacing is then increased / adjusted to obtain a "0mm dropaway". THEN the ramp is elevated to obtain the max PE (height) gain. With the exit asymmetric mods, a good rollaway can then be obtained. More data to follow. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Nov 8 11:45:03 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA00421; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 11:44:09 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 11:44:09 -0800 Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 12:43:56 -0700 (MST) From: Steve Ekwall X-Sender: ekwall2@november To: vortex-l@eskimo.com cc: List Server Freenrg Subject: Blue Hole is 3D sphere In-Reply-To: <34646087.B15A72B2@microtronics.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"PRWLf1.0.J6.64CPq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1897 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Sat, 8 Nov 1997, Greg Watson wrote: -=snip=- >>Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 23:22:23 +1030 >>Basically the method is to position the arrays and ball to be on each >>others centre line and use a level track to find the static null point >>(where the ball stops in the middle of the array. The track is then >>cut to effect a exit at that point. The ball therefore doesn't enter >>the negative declining flux wall (Blue hole) but exits down the Blue >>Hole's boundary. Remember that the "Blue Hole" is not a hole but a 3D >>sphere. Greg, I think I wrote about this before, (maybe it didn't make it too..) The security industry uses millions of reed switches and magnects to contact protected areas..(doors, windows etc.) There is a point we call a "NULL" when the magnet is so center (for clean finished installion look), that the reed is neither openable or closable depending on it's starting state. We initially over-came the problem but sliding the magnet one way or the other to to let the reed switch do its thing.. but then it looked like a half-ass installation by a cross-eyed installer. (about 15-20 years ago), the maufactures heard enough complaints about this, that nowdays almost all contacts have their magnets slide over a bit BEFORE they seal 'em in place. (Resulting in the cases being alignable -visually- and the magnets offset (mm)) We were always troubled by NULL! Now it looks like it is another good indicator of the BLUE-HOLE existence! :) From thousands of hands-on installations (since 1975) I can concure that it is indeed 3D spherical! So, what used to be a curse :) looks like may be a blessing, it is indeed a magnetic/electrocircuit NULL Area (where NOTHING SEEMS TO WORK IN THIS AREA (albeit very small)). Zeroing in on the Blue-Hole-Sphere with you :) -=se=- p.s. this applied to Normally Open AND Normally Closed contacts, as well as converted(powered) Noramlly Open to Closed mat circuits which could be 100+ feet away from the magnet/open reed switch. The Null was a Null was a Null. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Nov 8 12:43:46 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA13662; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 12:43:32 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 12:43:32 -0800 Message-ID: <3464C06C.3172AD0B@pavilion.co.uk> Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 20:41:42 +0100 From: Rob Dowse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freenrg-l@eskimo.com" Subject: SMOT ou proof: experiment results X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------743229082E1C4624B97F9B4D" Resent-Message-ID: <"iJvyS2.0.IL3.pxCPq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1898 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: --------------743229082E1C4624B97F9B4D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greg Watson wrote: > HI All, > > Attached are two test set-ups that, IMHO, prove the SMOT Mk2 is > capable of OU. > > The first test set-up clearly shows that the interaction of the SMOT > Mk2 magnetic field and the steel ball is NOT conservative. > > Hi Greg and all, Ihave tried to verify Greg's first test. I collected 600 data points for this test. There is noise in the data caused by random(?) friction which does affect the results quite a bit (ie ivisible dirt in the tube causes chaotic side to side oscillations as the ball decends). Perhaps the magnet's relation to the ball needs to be optomised? Any other comments before I try another data collection attempt. 8/11/97....NB two gifs are today resent separate, one is a graph of the data, the other is a drawing of test rig. I tried yesterday as one file but it did not seem to post. Thanks... -- --------- Rob Dowse --------------743229082E1C4624B97F9B4D Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Greg Watson wrote:
HI All,

Attached are two test set-ups that, IMHO, prove the SMOT Mk2 is
capable of OU.

The first test set-up clearly shows that the interaction of the SMOT
Mk2 magnetic field and the steel ball is NOT conservative.

<snip>

Hi Greg and all,

Ihave tried to verify Greg's first test.

I collected 600 data points for this test.

There is noise in the data caused by random(?) friction which does affect the results quite a bit (ie ivisible dirt in the tube causes chaotic side to side oscillations as the ball decends).

Perhaps the magnet's relation to the ball needs to be optomised? Any other comments before I try another data collection attempt.

8/11/97....NB two gifs are today resent separate, one is a graph of the data, the other is a drawing of test rig. I tried yesterday as one file but it did not seem to post.

Thanks...
-- 

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Rob Dowse
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Resent-Message-ID: <"eEV_Z2.0.pK7.azDPq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1901 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Due to lack of interaction with my "brain storming" ideas, I am going off line and into the workshop. Thanks for all the help and comments from those who did respond in the past. I'll keep an eye on the tv news in case someone has a breakthrough. Thanks, Butch LaFonte From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Nov 8 13:59:10 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA31160; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 13:58:56 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 13:58:56 -0800 Message-ID: <3464E0A8.9FDB9A7D@microtronics.com.au> Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 08:29:04 +1030 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com, List Server Freenrg Subject: Re: SMOT leveling References: <3463D9FC.5904591E@microtronics.com.au> <34646BD6.3076@math.ucla.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"k7pFg.0.Cc7.U2EPq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1902 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Barry Merriman wrote: > > Greg's moneyback guarantee is contingent on operating the SMOT > on a "level surface", since it obviously would not be able > to roll around if it is tilted too much, even if it is OU. > > As was noted by various attempted replicators, it can be quite > difficult to get sufficiently level surfaces for delicate > rolling tests. > > Greg: does the new plastic version of the SMOT float? If it > did, it would be easy to machine it so that (at least > with no ball present) it would float perfectly level in > a dish of water. If the balls are light compared to the > plastic block, they would not disrupt this level, and that > would be a simple way to make an adjustment-free self-leveling > smot....just take it out of the package, then add water :-). > > If water is too jiggly, some more viscous liquid, like oil, > might work better. > > If no simple self leveling version (which seemingly must make use of > a liquid) is possible, then in the ultimate commercial version > you will probably need to put 3 screw-adjustable legs on the > bottom and set of x and y axis leveling bubbles embededd in > the block (as is done with analog precision balances), or perhaps > a small embedded plumb bob, so that it can be accurately > and conveninetly leveled manually. > > -- > Barry Merriman HI Barry, Floating in liquid is a good idea, but its not that touchy. Just put the ball on the flat top surface and shim the edges with 80Gsm A4 paper bits until the ball stays still. 80Gsm paper bits are 0.1mm thick. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Nov 8 23:21:29 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA21870; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 23:21:09 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 23:21:09 -0800 Message-ID: <34656468.6F957ABB@microtronics.com.au> Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 17:51:12 +1030 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: List Server Vortex Subject: Re: SMOT ou proof: experiment results References: <3464C06C.3172AD0B@pavilion.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"m4Ot_.0.WL5.ZHMPq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1903 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Rob Dowse wrote: > > Greg Watson wrote: > > > HI All, > > > > Attached are two test set-ups that, IMHO, prove the SMOT Mk2 is > > capable of OU. > > > > The first test set-up clearly shows that the interaction of the SMOT > > Mk2 magnetic field and the steel ball is NOT conservative. > > > > > > Hi Greg and all, > > I have tried to verify Greg's first test. > > I collected 600 data points for this test. > > There is noise in the data caused by random(?) friction which does > affect the results quite a bit (ie ivisible dirt in the tube causes > chaotic side to side oscillations as the ball decends). > > Perhaps the magnet's relation to the ball needs to be optomised? Any > other comments before I try another data collection attempt. > > 8/11/97....NB two gifs are today resent separate, one is a graph of > the data, the other is a drawing of test rig. I tried yesterday as > one file but it did not seem to post. > > Thanks... > -- > > --------- > Rob Dowse HI Rob, Thanks for the data and graphics. Seems to be a wide variation in the rollthrough elevations. Suspect your release point energy varies more than the rolling losses. I have had this same problem. I used a ferrite rod and coil to control the release point. The ferrite has almost no residual magnetism and gives good repetitive releases. I have redone my rollthrough tests and will update my data. Don't know where the 0.5mm "A" ball results came from. Best I can generate today is a 1:3.5 ratio. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Nov 9 02:58:18 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA27469; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 02:57:33 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 02:57:33 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199710270016.NAA06225@icarus.ihug.co.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 00:53:35 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: Wallace Patents Resent-Message-ID: <"si6qE.0.5j6.RSPPq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1904 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Paul - Message on freenrg from Oct. 27: > Hi, > > This may be a little off topic but here goes anyway. > I was curious if anyone had access to some digital > copies of Henry Wallace's patents #3626605 and > #3626606 on "Method and Apparatus for > Generating a secondary Gravitational Force Field > and Dynamic Force Field" That they would be kind > enough to send me via email. > > The reason is that the IBM patent server used to > have them but without pictures, then I checked > again and now they dont even have the text (funny > that). I also live on the far side of the earth in New > Zealand and don't have access to any US patent > libraries. I really need the full thing with > pictures to have a go at building something similar > that may produce a weight loss (I wish). These > effects tie in nicely with some of my ideas on > rotation and antigravity and am going to tinker > around in my upcoming holidays. > > Jean-Louis you had a look at anything like this in > your antigrav experiments? > > Thanks, Paul Callender Did you ever find a copy of these? I'm still looking for them. Thanks, - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Nov 9 07:39:32 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA21902; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 07:39:11 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 07:39:11 -0800 Message-ID: <3465D85F.B11ABC71@ctv.es> Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 16:36:00 +0100 From: Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga Reply-To: vramos@ctv.es X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, jdecker@keelynet.com Subject: PAGE UPDATED: FREE ENERGY TEST X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"_Jlzv.0.yL5.QaTPq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1905 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi all My page is already updated with a new experiment: A Free Energy test. built in 15 minutes and very weird results. I invite all to test this. ALL COMMENTS WILL BE WELLCOMED. I need perform more tests about this, but is very interesting. Few days ago I saw an announcement at KeelyNet about a new book called "High Voltage and Free Energy Devices" by George Moonhie. The first device tested by Michael Danilschenko not was very interesting for me. But in a page from the book scanned by Michael there were an interesting experiment. You start with two capacitors: One charged and other discharged. When the test ends, some anomalous can be measured: you have more than 1/2 of the initial voltage in each capacitor... Vicente. -- Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga E-mail: vramos@ctv.es Home Page: http://www.ctv.es/USERS/vramos/home.htm Burriana (Castellon) SPAIN From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Nov 9 07:46:16 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA19581; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 07:45:58 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 07:45:58 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: richarda@mailhub.icx.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <345EE41D.5241B840@microtronics.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 10:46:34 -0400 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Richard Austin Subject: We Need More Powerful Effects Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx2.eskimo.com id HAA19550 Resent-Message-ID: <"t5D8_.0.sn4.qgTPq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1906 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: In our quest for free energy, we need more powerful effects to work with. Greg Watson's efforts may potentially lead to understanding overunity, but the effect currently being exploited is obviously not going to power our homes and cars, at least not yet. We need more powerful effects to work with. According to Albert de Vree, Ph.D.E.E. of San Jose, CA, powerful effects are created with vortices. He claims to have completely solved the free energy problem, but is held up on releasing it pending patent applications. In the meantime we might want to e xplore his hints... He writes: "Look at the latest Hubble pictures of the two colliding galaxies [Newsweek], there you see the fractal mobius theory in action. In the differential gravitational fields, millions of new suns are created. The dual vortices produce millions of new stars... In essence, that is how my motor works, we do it with magnetic-electro-static fields... To give you a hint... TIME is a Force, 4 dimensions (implicit matter) The fractalization of space in positive and negative space (negative space being Time in 4 dimensions) is the way that nature produces matter and energy alike. The science of quantum physics has to see this reality, then the world will change for the better. I know the consequences of the theory and I know how to apply the theory into simple practice. ...the technology is not yet patented, I would love to show the whole world this device (group of devices). But look at the latest Newsweek magazine, there you see how the two colliding galaxies created millions of stars in a vortex collision. We do this on a very small scale, the same way..." Comment: This is all I know, and I do not understand it. Maybe someone in the group can do something with this information. Or we can wait until the details are released. Richard Austin -- email: richarda@icx.net -- radio: KG7SU Check out the Institute for Planetary Renewal at http://user.icx.net/~richarda From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Nov 9 15:37:17 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA16468; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 15:37:01 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 15:37:01 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34675604.480D@mlb.planet.gen.nz> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 10:44:20 -0800 From: Stuart Rae X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vramos@ctv.es CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: PAGE UPDATED: FREE ENERGY TEST References: <3465D85F.B11ABC71@ctv.es> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"_86Xi.0.814.PaaPq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1907 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Vicente, you wrote: snip > But in a page from the book scanned by Michael there were an interesting > experiment. You start with two capacitors: One charged and other > discharged. When the test ends, some anomalous can be measured: you have > more than 1/2 of the initial voltage in each capacitor... > Yes, this is an interesting experiment and one I've previously carried out in various forms. What's interesting about it, is that there IS an anomaly here - not so much in the phenomena itself, but in the general perceptions of electrical energy. (By the way, you don't necessarily need the second inductor for a simple "proof of principle" test - the relay inductance alone can be sufficient) My own results were very similar (using 10,000 mfd capacitors), which show a higher voltage across both capacitors than would be achieved by simply discharging one into the other. Why is this? The obvious answer is that the second capacitor is merely collecting the energy stored in the inductors collapsing field (via the diode), as Mr Moonie indicates. However, this does raise some interesting questions. For example, the sum total of charge in the two capacitors is now GREATER than existed in the single capacitor at the start. (That is, on the basis that Q=CV - where Q is in coulombs, C is in farads, and V is in volts.) However, conventional thinkers will immediately point out that as a result of charge transfer, the sum of the circuit's energy is now _LESS_ than at the start. Of course, this is true (i.e. demonstrated by W=.5CV^2). But what seems to be frequently ignored, is that in THIS case the energy has NOT BEEN HALVED, as would be expected in a simple discharge from one capacitor to the other - (i.e. through the circuit's resistance). And we know that in charging a capacitor, half the energy is ALWAYS dissipated (as heat and motion) in the circuit resistance. That is, as the 'source' sees it, it has to provide twice the amount of energy, than that which ends up stored in the capacitor. The VALUE of the circuit resistance has no relevance - it only affects the TIME taken in this process. So in a word, while 'work' is done in actuating the relay, there has been a change in the circuit's entropy during the transfer of charge to the second capacitor!! It seems to me that there are two possible reasons for this. One is that the second capacitor is being charged in a non-linear manner which will reduce the entropy in the circuit resistance. That is, on the basis of .5(CV^2/N) (where N is the 'number' of charging steps as it were, during contact closure): Or (less conventionally) that through the process of induction, a small degree of direct 'energy' access is being converted to additional electrical charge, thereby partially offsetting the normally experienced entropy of circuit resistance. Perhaps both explanations could infer that the generally held view of electron charge may be an incorrect one, in that the 'electrical charge', and and therefore the 'energy' of an electron may be a substantial variable (as Tesla also stated). Physicists will no doubt raise their hands in horror at such heresy, and I will be unable to defend my ignorance. However, I would be most interested in a rational and logical explanation (without any complex math) of the experimental phenomena described by Vicente. Regards, SR -- ================================================= S. N. Rae, 7B Mountain View Road, Blenheim, NEW ZEALAND. Ph: +64 3 578 9160 email:srae@mlb.planet.gen.nz From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Nov 9 16:41:22 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA11372; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 16:40:57 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 16:40:57 -0800 Message-ID: <3466498D.24F705C1@pavilion.co.uk> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 00:39:10 +0100 From: Rob Dowse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Wallace Patents X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------2086A34E723356AE64486D4C" Resent-Message-ID: <"es4pq.0.Un2.NWbPq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1908 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: --------------2086A34E723356AE64486D4C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rick Monteverde wrote: > Paul - > > Message on freenrg from Oct. 27: > > > Hi, > > > > This may be a little off topic but here goes anyway. > > I was curious if anyone had access to some digital > > copies of Henry Wallace's patents #3626605 and > > #3626606 on "Method and Apparatus for > > Generating a secondary Gravitational Force Field > > and Dynamic Force Field" > > > > Thanks, Paul Callender > > Did you ever find a copy of these? I'm still looking for them. > > Thanks, > > - Rick Monteverde > Honolulu, HI I have reasonably clear pics and text photo copies of these and would be willing to post one copy to someone who wants to put them on their site (or direct to Paul Callender who can then foreward them as I might need some where to stay a night if I ever get to visit NZ!!) It is not a light undertaking to copy these devices as the engineerig looks as if it needs to be pretty good c/w intricate mechanisms. Not impossible but time consuming.................... I'll need your snail mail address. -- --------- Rob Dowse --------------2086A34E723356AE64486D4C Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Rick Monteverde wrote:
Paul -

Message on freenrg from Oct. 27:

   >  Hi,
   >
   >  This may be a little off topic but here goes anyway.
   >  I was curious if anyone had access to some digital
   >  copies of Henry Wallace's patents #3626605 and
   >  #3626606 on "Method and Apparatus for
   >  Generating a secondary Gravitational Force Field
   >  and Dynamic Force Field"<snip>
   >
   >  Thanks, Paul Callender <klicco@ihug.co.nz>

Did you ever find a copy of these? I'm still looking for them.

Thanks,

- Rick Monteverde
Honolulu, HI

I have reasonably clear pics and text photo copies of these and would be willing to post one copy to someone who wants to put them on their site (or direct to Paul Callender who can then foreward them as I might need some where to stay a night if I ever get to visit NZ!!)

It is not a light undertaking to copy these devices as the engineerig looks as if it needs to be pretty good c/w intricate mechanisms. Not impossible but time consuming....................

I'll need your snail mail address.  

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Rob Dowse
    --------------2086A34E723356AE64486D4C-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Nov 9 16:43:01 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA26991; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 16:42:46 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 16:42:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <346649D9.B1B365F5@pavilion.co.uk> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 00:40:26 +0100 From: Rob Dowse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Going off line due to lack of interaction, ect. X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <971108165302_-592714187@mrin46.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------A5A54457D8475BD5575EECF4" Resent-Message-ID: <"a_nKH1.0.eb6.5YbPq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1909 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: --------------A5A54457D8475BD5575EECF4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Buch, I came on the list only a few short months ago and your posts, even though I did not reply, were ones I took time to try to understand. One problem I had was your brief written info which made it seem as if I had only seen part of the relavant corespondance. Another problem is the breadth of material that can be covered here is pretty BIG! No one can be expert at everything and people need to filter out some of the stuff so they can spend their limited time on stuff that they think is wortwhile or that they are capable of achieving. I have had experience in the past with volountry/autonomous groups and even though this is the first on line exchange I've been involved with I expect simmilar behavour and structure. Amongst other things, an apparant lack of interest and feed back and general sloth! I came here to comunicate with people like you who are interested in the same daft stuff that I want to think and talk about. Most people I get to see in person iether don't understand, or don't want to understand or don't have the time. Keep us informed on your workshop results? Shame to see you go. HLafonte@aol.com wrote: > Due to lack of interaction with my "brain storming" ideas, I am going > off > line and into the workshop. Thanks for all the help and comments from > those > who did respond in the past. I'll keep an eye on the tv news in case > someone > has a breakthrough. > Thanks, > Butch LaFonte -- --------- Rob Dowse --------------A5A54457D8475BD5575EECF4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Buch,

I came on the list only a few short months ago and your posts, even though I did not reply, were ones I took time to try to understand.

One problem I had was your brief written info which made it seem as if I had only seen part of the relavant corespondance. Another problem is the breadth of material that can be covered here is pretty BIG! No one can be expert at everything and people need to filter out some of the stuff so they can spend their limited time on stuff that they think is wortwhile or that they are capable of achieving.

I have had experience in the past with volountry/autonomous groups and even though this is the first on line exchange I've been involved with I expect simmilar behavour and structure. Amongst other things, an apparant lack of interest and feed back and general sloth!

I came here to comunicate with people like you who are interested in the same daft stuff that I want to think and talk about. Most people I get to see in person iether don't understand, or don't want to understand or don't have the time.

Keep us informed on your workshop results?

Shame to see you go.

HLafonte@aol.com wrote:

Due to lack of interaction with my "brain storming" ideas, I am going off
line and into the workshop. Thanks for all the help and comments from those
who did respond in the past. I'll keep an eye on the tv news in case someone
has a breakthrough.
Thanks,
Butch LaFonte
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Rob Dowse
    --------------A5A54457D8475BD5575EECF4-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Nov 9 17:15:31 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA18313; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 17:15:10 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 17:15:10 -0800 Message-ID: <3466518C.6B5CBC1D@pavilion.co.uk> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 01:13:20 +0100 From: Rob Dowse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: SMOT ou proof: experiment results X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <3464C06C.3172AD0B@pavilion.co.uk> <34656468.6F957ABB@microtronics.com.au> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------4802B14D30C9E5048C98F66B" Resent-Message-ID: <"drTj3.0.-T4.S0cPq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1910 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: --------------4802B14D30C9E5048C98F66B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greg Watson wrote: > > > > Attached are two test set-ups that, IMHO, prove the SMOT Mk2 is > > > capable of OU. > > > > > > The first test set-up clearly shows that the interaction of the > SMOT > > > Mk2 magnetic field and the steel ball is NOT conservative. > > > > > > > > > > Hi Greg and all, > > > > I have tried to verify Greg's first test. > > > Seems to be a wide variation in the rollthrough elevations. Suspect > your release point energy varies more than the rolling losses. > > I have had this same problem. > > I used a ferrite rod and coil to control the release point. The > ferrite has almost no residual magnetism and gives good repetitive > releases. > This would polarise the steel ball repeatably each time too.....we may need to pay attention to these details to sucessfully verify......? I used a 'gate' which the ball could rest on before each ascent. Any inadvertant energy given to the ball was therefore simmilar for both backward and foreward directions. The 'gate' was made from a bent and shaped piece of 1mm dia spring steel wire (one end fixed to the ply wood slope), which was openedby finger smoothly out of a slot across the top of the acrylic tube. > I have redone my rollthrough tests and will update my data. Don't > know where the 0.5mm "A" ball results came from. Best I can generate > today is a 1:3.5 ratio. > > -- > Best Regards, > Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson Hi Greg, Does this mean the ratio may now be more easily explicable by "an asymetrical resistance/dissipative function"? I know you want to make money and you choose what you release, but this conflicts with your stated desire to reveal all after the death of Chris Tinsley. So should I/we give up asking for precise details so we can verify? Life is too short and I do understand prototype development and production processes (read time.....!) So good luck and thanks for everything so far. I hope you don't try and keep too much if anything back. If you are onto something genuine it's potentialy going to be much bigger than you or me and all the rest of us. So a little economic competion in the future is going to be healthy...eh? I'm looking foreward to reading the posts when you send out your CNC milled kits. Sorry....my SMOT ASYMETRY? graph should read '.....525mm slope length' (not 425mm) on the x axis. -- --------- Rob Dowse --------------4802B14D30C9E5048C98F66B Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Greg Watson wrote:
<snip>
> > Attached are two test set-ups that, IMHO, prove the SMOT Mk2 is
> > capable of OU.
> >
> > The first test set-up clearly shows that the interaction of the SMOT
> > Mk2 magnetic field and the steel ball is NOT conservative.
> >
> > <snip>
>
> Hi Greg and all,
>
> I have tried to verify Greg's first test.
<snip>

Seems to be a wide variation in the rollthrough elevations.  Suspect
your release point energy varies more than the rolling losses.

I have had this same problem.

I used a ferrite rod and coil to control the release point.  The
ferrite has almost no residual magnetism and gives good repetitive
releases.
<snip>

This would polarise the steel ball repeatably each time too.....we may need to pay attention to these details to sucessfully verify......?

I used a 'gate' which the ball could rest on before each ascent. Any inadvertant energy given to the ball was therefore simmilar for both backward and foreward directions. The 'gate' was made from a bent and shaped piece of 1mm dia spring steel wire (one end fixed to the ply wood slope), which was openedby finger smoothly out of a slot across the top of the acrylic tube.

I have redone my rollthrough tests and will update my data.  Don't
know where the 0.5mm "A" ball results came from.  Best I can generate
today is a 1:3.5 ratio.

--
Best Regards,
 Greg Watson  Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson

Hi Greg,

Does this mean the ratio may now be more easily explicable by "an asymetrical resistance/dissipative function"?

I know you want to make money and you choose what you release, but this conflicts with your stated desire to reveal all after the death of Chris Tinsley. So should I/we give up asking for precise details so we can verify?

Life is too short and I do understand prototype development and production processes (read time.....!) So good luck and thanks for everything so far.

I hope you don't try and keep too much if anything back. If you are onto something genuine it's potentialy going to be much bigger than you or me and all the rest of us. So a little economic competion in the future is going to be healthy...eh?

I'm looking foreward to reading the posts when you send out your CNC milled kits.

Sorry....my SMOT ASYMETRY? graph should read '.....525mm slope length' (not 425mm) on the x axis.
 

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Rob Dowse
      --------------4802B14D30C9E5048C98F66B-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Nov 9 21:34:20 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA08541; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 21:34:06 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 21:34:06 -0800 (PST) From: Keasy@aol.com Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 00:32:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971110003256_2026033199@mrin53.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: PAGE UPDATED: FREE ENERGY TEST Resent-Message-ID: <"q_TiI3.0.M52.CpfPq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1911 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: In a message dated 97-11-09 10:41:01 EST, you write: << But in a page from the book scanned by Michael there were an interesting experiment. You start with two capacitors: One charged and other discharged. When the test ends, some anomalous can be measured: you have more than 1/2 of the initial voltage in each capacitor... Vicente. >> I'm probably missing something here but if you have two equal value capacitors, one charged, and connect them, would you not expect the capacitors to each contain between 37.5% and 50% of the ENERGY in the originally charged capacitor? And doesn't that mean each capacitor then has between 62% an 71% of the voltage that the original charged capacitor had? That is, you would expect the sum of the voltages to be larger than the voltage on the original charged capacitor. Ken Keasy@aol.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Nov 10 01:48:36 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA03548; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 01:48:24 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 01:48:24 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 04:46:52 -0500 From: Ralph E Griffin Subject: PMOD Buck Sender: Ralph E Griffin To: Free Energy List Message-ID: <199711100447_MC2-2797-208E@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx2.eskimo.com id BAA03525 Resent-Message-ID: <"lT2VD.0.Jt.cXjPq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1912 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: To Greg W. and all others experimenting with PMOD I have been following the developments on this device, and I believe I can offer some helpful advice. I see a lot of attention has been devoted to the core characteristics and how to make the drive pulse very short, but I think there is a basic problem here which will prevent the extraction of excess power, even if that excess power is successfully generated. The problem is that this topology does not provide a way to recover the energy which is stored in the leakage inductance of the primary. According to Greg Watson's description of the device, the primary and secondary must not be tightly linked, so we should expect that the leakage inductance of the primary will be quite high (not a very small fraction of the main inductance). Every time you turn off the MOSFET, the energy stored in that leakage inductance turns into switching losses in the MOSFET. The inductor voltage spikes up to what ever value is required to force the current through the MOSFET no matter how hard (or how fast) you turn off the MOSFET. The voltage spike lasts as long as it takes to dissipate the energy. This is very inefficient, and it is very hard on the MOSFET. Consider the standard topology of a buck converter. For high efficiency power converters with well regulated output voltages, various forms of this topology are used in most cases throughout the world today. The following ascii graphics must be viewed using a mono spaced font (not a proportional spaced font). + Vin ____/ ____________ | | _|_ ) /_\ ) | ) | ) | |_______ + Vout | Common __________|_______________ Common When the switch closes, the inductor current begins to ramp up, and current flows from input to output. When the switch opens, the inductor current ramps down, and current continues to flow into the output even though there is no more current being drawn from the input. So the average current at the output is greater than the average current at the input, which compensates for the fact that the voltage at the output is less than the voltage at the input. The efficiency is not over 100%, but at least it can get close to 100% for a fairly wide range of ratios of Vout/Vin. That is a lot better than what you get with a linear voltage regulator. When the switch opens, the diode allows the inductor current to continue to flow while the voltage across the switch is no more than the input voltage plus the forward drop of the diode. So there is no voltage spike, and the energy stored in the inductor is recovered by directing it to the output. Now consider how this could be used for the PMOD. Just close the switch for a very short period of time. The current begins to flow in the inductor (from input to output) per the PMOD description. When the switch opens, the diode allows the inductor current to continue to flow (with no voltage spike on the switch) while energy is directed to the output. If the inductor is going to give some extra kick after the switch opens, then this topology should work fine to recover that energy. It is not clear if a secondary is really needed in this case. There seems to be no harm is adding a secondary. At this point, I should point out that most buck converters are operated in what is called "continuous conduction mode". This means that the inductor is always conducting current. So when the switch closes, the diode must rapidly switch from forward biased to reverse biased. The best diodes that are available today are still too slow for the MOSFET, so the transition can get pretty ugly. Never the less, most converters operate in this mode because it can produce the lowest cost and weight per watt of output power. But in the case of the PMOD converter, it would probably be better to operate in "discontinuous conduction mode", meaning that the inductor current should be allowed to drop to zero before the switch is closed. So the diode will already be off before the switch is turned on. This is important because the MOSFET switch is being driven so hard to make it switch so fast. Finally, I should point out that the standard way of showing a buck converter (shown above) leads to a very difficult implementation of the MOSFET as a switch. It forces you to use a P-channel MOSFET (more expensive and less efficient) and a gate drive that swings negative with respect to the +Vin input, or worst yet, it forces you to use an N-channel MOSFET with a floating gate drive circuit that can drive the gate with respect to the source while the source is swinging extremely rapidly with respect to every thing else (very very difficult). There is a better way. Just take the whole topology and flip it upside down. Common _________________________ Common | | _______ -Vout | | | ) _|_ ) /_\ ) | ) - Vin ____/______|______| Now the switch can be replaced with a normal N-channel MOSFET with its source tied to -Vin, and the gate drive signal can be a normal positive going signal reference to -Vin. I hope this helps. My email response time is likely to be on the order of a few days due to the fact that I am on digest mode, and my regular job is currently involved on a project that is over budget and behind schedule (more so than usual). From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Nov 10 03:02:21 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA00394; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 03:02:07 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 03:02:07 -0800 From: JNaudin509@aol.com Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 06:01:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971110060131_1347446092@mrin79> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Electrogravity research - "Elpex" Project update MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="PART.BOUNDARY.0.1252.mrin79.879159691" Resent-Message-ID: <"4-NZf1.0.36.kckPq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1913 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: --PART.BOUNDARY.0.1252.mrin79.879159691 Content-ID: <0_1252_879159691@mrin79.695> Content-type: text/plain Hi All, Thanks for your interest about the Patrick Cornille's pendulum experiment, I apologize for not responding sooner to your many emails. Patrick has take some free days during this week-end until wednesday and he is not able to answer to you. I shall transmit all your emails to Patrick Cornille as soon as possible. At this moment, I am very busy in my lab because I am currently working on the new design of the improved device ( The Elpex V2.0 ) which give more thrust, and during this week-end, I have reproduced succefully with a friend , the original Cornille's pendulum experiment ( The Elpex V1.0 ). I shall soon post my test report about this, in my web site. You will find (in the attached) a picture of my first test "Elpex V1.0" which try to reproduce the original Cornille's test. I give you below a short description of this first test : Ball used : 2 Steel balls, 73 mm diam and 700 g weight. these steel balls are separated by a cardboard tube 35mm and 115 mm length. The apparatus is hanged with two nylon wires ( 970 mm length ) to the lab ceiling. I have used my Wimshurt electrostatic generator ( 250 Kv in dry air, but in this case the estimated voltage is about 70kV ( 75% humidity level in my lab.... )) My Wimshurt generator is connected to the Elpex device with non insulated wires. After ten synchrosized pulses ( made with the spark gap lever of the Wimshurt generator ). The Elpex deviation is 12 mm wide with a period of 2 sec. The direction of the force is the same as indicated by Patrick Cornille. If the phase of the pulse generated is inversed the oscillation stop quickly thus this confirm that a thrust is generated is only one direction ( the pendulum swing only to one side of the vertical). This is my own experiment and this test has been not yet checked by Patick Cornille ( he is in holidays at this moment...). As far as I am concerned, I think that my first pendulum experiment that I have done, may confirm the original Cornille's experiment. This purpose of this first test was only to check if the Cornille's effect was reproducible by anyone, this is the case, now I work for understanding better the process, improving the thrust and give to you more accurate results. Today with my new Elpex V2.0, I have obtained 39 mm deviation. ( the device weight is 1500 gr. ) I shall inform you soon and I shall update my web seen about this. 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No Pollution! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"RRfRT1.0.Qx3.qHpPq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1914 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: For the last couple weeks I've been pondering a solution to engine polution and after talking it over with an older friend of mine, found that it could also mean free energy! I wrote it up and sure enough, it just might work! If not making overunity, it would aleast make a VERY effecient electric engine! It runs on its own once turned over with a standard electric engine starter. It works on air pressure, which is where I have no idea how much air pressure is necessary to run the engine, but I know that enough could be generated. It pumps up a compression tank with a compressor, and once it hits TDC (top-dead-center), a valve releases the pressure into the cyclinder, forcing the piston down. Once the piston is nearly all the way down (9/10), the air escapes through a hole uncovered by the piston. At first I was going to have the compressor run off of a alternator/generator connected to the shaft, but I've heard alot about how you lose energy when changing to and back from electricty from moving force. Also, my current model lacks a flywheel because I have no idea how big of one I would need without inhibiting it. Instead, I'm thinking of leaving the alternator to recharge the battery for the starter (which HAS to give out alot) and power other things, and leave the compressor on a pulley connected to the shaft. 2+ compressors maybe needed to run the tank, but I'm not sure of these calculations so far: * Type of oil? Thinking 2 or 3:1 antifreeze and oil? * Flywheel size and weight * compressors and type * size of tank * max speed of engine (may not be enough to run a car, but could make a VERY good generator if made with multiple or bigger alternator, VERY useful!) Anything else about the engine I'm forgeting? If so, please e-mail me! Also, drop me a line if you want my diagrams and full notes on this engine. I'll even tell you some secrets about it that I don't quite want to release publicly. I DO want to have this available to the public as cheap as possible, but I DON'T want someone else taking credit for it! THIS TOOK ME HARD EARNED TIME AND WORK!!! I DON'T WANT SOME IDIOT TAKING IT FROM ME!!! Thanks, and don't be afraid to send me suggestions, etc. on it. Flames are welcome >:) See y'all -ab837@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca .........--------=========*********************=========---------........ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Nov 10 10:33:43 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA21739; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 10:33:13 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 10:33:13 -0800 From: JNaudin509@aol.com Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 13:32:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971110133236_1569596934@mrin84.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com cc: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Electrogravity -> ELPEX V1.0 - Tests results and Schemes Resent-Message-ID: <"NID8d2.0.XJ5.dDrPq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1915 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi All, I have updated my web site with the first test results about the ELPEX V1.0 ( ELectrostatic Pendulum EXperiment). You will find the detailled drawing of the experiment, pictures and test results at: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/jlnaudin/html/elpex10.htm I would like to say thank you to Andre Tuszel for his very helpfull collaboration in my lab during the testing phase of ELPEX V1.0 and V2.0 devices. Sincerely, Jean-Louis Naudin ( France / GMT+1 ) ( 11/10/97 - 18:28 GMT) Email : JNaudin509@aol.com my Overunity WEB Server : http://members.aol.com/JNaudin509/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Nov 10 11:55:57 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA24966; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 11:55:35 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 11:55:35 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 11:54:46 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711101954.LAA14047@germany.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: vramos@ctv.es, freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: PAGE UPDATED: FREE ENERGY TEST Resent-Message-ID: <"LbVft.0.z56.qQsPq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1916 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Vincente, At 04:36 PM 11/9/97 +0100, you wrote: >Hi all >My page is already updated with a new experiment: A Free Energy test. >built in 15 minutes and very weird results. I invite all to test this. >ALL COMMENTS WILL BE WELLCOMED. I need perform more tests about this, >but is very interesting. > >Few days ago I saw an announcement at KeelyNet about a new book called >"High Voltage and Free Energy Devices" by George Moonhie. The first >device tested by Michael Danilschenko not was very interesting for me. >But in a page from the book scanned by Michael there were an interesting >experiment. You start with two capacitors: One charged and other >discharged. When the test ends, some anomalous can be measured: you have >more than 1/2 of the initial voltage in each capacitor... >Vicente. > If C1 is not equal to C2, because of manufacturing tolerances, then the final voltage will not = 1/2 of the initial voltage. That is V(end)= V(start)*C1/(C1+C2). I tried it, then interchanged C1 and C2. As far as I can measure, taking the average, V(end) = V(start)/2. Could you please repeat your experiment with C1 and C2 switched. -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Nov 10 12:57:30 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA24709; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 12:56:58 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 12:56:58 -0800 Old-X-Envelope-To: Message-ID: <34677456.520CD0D@ctv.es> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 21:53:43 +0100 From: Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga Reply-To: vramos@ctv.es X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: PAGE UPDATED: FREE ENERGY TEST X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199711101954.LAA14047@germany.it.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"6zNKX2.0.x16.NKtPq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1917 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dave Dameron wrote: > >Vicente. > > > If C1 is not equal to C2, because of manufacturing tolerances, then > the > final voltage will not = 1/2 of the initial voltage. That is V(end)= > V(start)*C1/(C1+C2). I tried it, then interchanged C1 and C2. As far > as I > can measure, taking the average, V(end) = V(start)/2. Could you please > > repeat your experiment with C1 and C2 switched. > -Dave Dave Are you using a big relay? You must use miniature relay . If you use a big inductor, relay don't buzz. I'll try switching caps tomorrow and I will post results. If you remove the diode, don't work. Vicente. -- Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga E-mail: vramos@ctv.es Home Page: http://www.ctv.es/USERS/vramos/home.htm Burriana (Castellon) SPAIN From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Nov 10 15:01:39 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA25059; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 15:01:16 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 15:01:16 -0800 Old-X-Envelope-To: Message-ID: <3467917A.85352519@ctv.es> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 23:58:03 +0100 From: Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga Reply-To: vramos@ctv.es X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: DEAD LIST AGAIN? X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"RINsi1.0.M76.x8vPq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1918 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi all, Everybody has lost his faith? Vicente. -- Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga E-mail: vramos@ctv.es Home Page: http://www.ctv.es/USERS/vramos/home.htm Burriana (Castellon) SPAIN From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Nov 10 15:18:10 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA04501; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 15:17:37 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 15:17:37 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3468A4D7.24B0@mlb.planet.gen.nz> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 10:32:55 -0800 From: Stuart Rae X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: PAGE UPDATED: FREE ENERGY TEST References: <199711101954.LAA14047@germany.it.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"suzJ03.0.C61.AOvPq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1919 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Dave, > > If C1 is not equal to C2, because of manufacturing tolerances, then the > final voltage will not = 1/2 of the initial voltage. That is V(end)= > V(start)*C1/(C1+C2). I tried it, then interchanged C1 and C2. As far as I > can measure, taking the average, V(end) = V(start)/2. Could you please > repeat your experiment with C1 and C2 switched. > Is it possible to run the circuit in MC5 ? Regards SR -- ================================================= S. N. Rae, 7B Mountain View Road, Blenheim, NEW ZEALAND. Ph: +64 3 578 9160 email:srae@mlb.planet.gen.nz From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Nov 10 15:53:35 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA10624; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 15:53:11 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 15:53:11 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971110175310.006a33ec@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 17:53:10 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: Re: DEAD LIST AGAIN? In-Reply-To: <3467917A.85352519@ctv.es> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"IDX6L.0.vb2.bvvPq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1920 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi All, At 23:58 11/10/97 +0100, Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga wrote: >Hi all, >Everybody has lost his faith? >Vicente. Nope...I just don't have much to say about the recent threads. The raging debate about the validity of Greg's experiments does nothing for me. I'm a skeptical optimist....I hope Greg is right, and wish him success. However until I build any O/U device myself, I'll not be convinced. I don't have to agree with his interpretation of the results to be grateful that Greg shares his ideas with us. I wonder how much he would accomplish without his great enthusiasm? Considering human nature, I suspect it would not be much. I haven't enough knowledge in the area of electric machinery to follow Butch's work. I wish I knew more. I believe I'm not alone in this regard, and regret that Butch perceived it as a lack of interest. Lately I've been busy trying to pay my bills. Yet I did buy 5 Lb of #38 AWG magnet wire, to try and duplicate some of the FTL experiments. I'll post the results when I find the time to proceed with this project. I really think there is a flaw in the design of the original experiment, but unless try to duplicate it I'll never know. Best Regards, JD -------------------------------------------------------- E-mail to mules@palacenet.net --------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Nov 10 16:33:46 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA17621; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 16:33:17 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 16:33:17 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: rmuha@mail Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 19:32:18 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: ralph muha Subject: WSJ article on Chinese UFO research Resent-Message-ID: <"U2oja2.0.9J4.AVwPq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1921 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Last Friday (11/7), the Wall Street Journal ran a front page article (column 4, continued on page A11, column 1) titled "Maoists For Martians: Here, UFOs Make For Serious Science *** Chinese Scholars, Who Believe The Truth Is Out There, Tap Flying-Saucer Physics" by Kathy Chen, a staff reporter. I haven't looked yet to see if it's on-line, but if it isn't, I'll probably transcribe it when I have time. Here's a couple of choice bits: > >Beds and Dragonfly Wings > >Mr. Gao says he has test-flown a wooden prototype with the dimensions >of a king-size bed. He is confident that, someday, with his craft's >manueverability and energy-saving "vortex generator" (a device that >creates lift much like dragonfly wings) "you won't need airplanes >anymore." He can't offer much more than a description, however. He >says Beijing Institute has labeled his invention top secret and has >banned him from showing even blueprints to outsiders. > >Fountain of Youth? > >Perhaps the boldest dream belongs to Liu Zhongkai, 47, an official at >the Beijing Meteorological Bureau with wild eyes and vertical hair. >Patent authorities are weighing whether or not to register his invention, >which he describes as a magnetic field that produces as much a third >more energy than it requires to run. Among other things, he claims, >his magnetic field can alter time. "If you live to be 100 on Earth, >in my UFO you will be able to live at least 100,000 years," he says. > >Tinkering with his contraption -- two steel bars with coils of copper >wire at each end -- Mr. Liu says his self-generating energy machine >"is what UFOs must use to fly long distances because they can't use >gas. It's a simple logic thing." > Has anybody seen the movie "Bamboo Saucer?" Early 60's I think. Dan Duryea leads an intelligence expedition to the mainland (or maybe it was Tibet) to rescue a downed UFO from the Red Chinese. r From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Nov 10 21:19:49 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA00318; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 21:18:57 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 21:18:57 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 23:00:06 -0600 (CST) From: Zack Widup Subject: Re: DEAD LIST AGAIN? To: Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: <3467917A.85352519@ctv.es> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"hPRfY2.0.q4.wg-Pq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1922 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Mon, 10 Nov 1997, Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga wrote: > Hi all, > Everybody has lost his faith? > Vicente. > > No, I think everyone is too busy with VORTEX-L. I've been getting 20-50 postings a day on it these days. Hard to keep up with! Zack From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Nov 10 22:35:45 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA10994; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 22:34:53 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 22:34:53 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711110634.WAA19162@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: "Free Energy" Subject: Re: DEAD LIST AGAIN? Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 10:32:13 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"UTB_Q3.0.gh2.Ao_Pq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1923 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > Hi all, > Everybody has lost his faith? > Vicente. > Hi Vicente, Yes, I have lost faith--but that is not necessarily a bad thing. I have lost faith that the energy sources we seek are within electromagnetic or electronic machinery. I no longer believe that any magnet motor or even any electronic system that is not essentially a reciever of outside forces can work. If an EM device does show overunity results it is because it is accidentally operating as an antenna and converter for other forces that are not circumscribed within mainstream theory. Instead of accidentally tapping etheric energy or whatever you like to call it through electronic circuits or magnet arrangements, I now believe it is more productive to go to the source as Moray and a few others have done. And the source is not within current EM physical theory. If a device "makes sense" within current theory, then it won't work, because the energy we are trying to tap doesn't play by those rules. It appears to me that most people on the list (other than the cold fusion researchers) who are trying to create an overunity device are trying to find some hole or flaw or exception to the current laws. They are trying to bend the rules without breaking them. But there is a whole universe of phenomena that don't play the game at all, being outside of science as it is currently constructed, and I now believe that is where the answers lie. I have become more conservative in one sense because I don't believe anymore that it is possible to somehow violate the laws (C of E, second law) but on the other hand I have become more radical in looking for another source of energy beyond those laws. This source has been called orgone, od, etheric energy and numerous other things. And yes, it does involve crystals! Soon I will be wearing aluminum foil on my head to ward off government Z-rays, according to Rick :-) Since I would have nothing positive to say to the magnet motor builders and the electronic circuit builders, and nothing intelligent to say to the cold fusion people, and since my own ideas at this point would be laughed off even this very open-minded list, I stay quiet for the most part, and do my research. Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Nov 10 23:15:54 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA22969; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 23:15:42 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 23:15:42 -0800 From: curtis.sandoval@supervalu.com X-Lotus-FromDomain: SVHO@SVEXTERNAL To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Message-ID: <8625654C.0027E7F9.00@sho-1lnsmtp> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 01:16:44 -0600 Subject: Re: DEAD LIST AGAIN? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"kipqo.0.Zc5.SO0Qq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1925 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Fred, Please Email me privately. Must speak with you. curtis.sandoval@supervalu.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Nov 10 23:44:48 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA18556; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 23:44:34 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 23:44:34 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711110743.XAA32403@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: DEAD LIST AGAIN? Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 11:42:44 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"qs2xo2.0.qX4.Xp0Qq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1926 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi Curtis! What's on your mind? Fred > > Fred, > > Please Email me privately. Must speak with you. > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Nov 11 00:13:39 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA21213; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 00:13:16 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 00:13:16 -0800 (PST) From: curtis.sandoval@supervalu.com X-Lotus-FromDomain: SVHO@SVEXTERNAL To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Message-ID: <8625654C.002C571A.00@sho-1lnsmtp> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 02:13:45 -0600 Subject: Re: DEAD LIST AGAIN? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"fI8Ur3.0.LB5.PE1Qq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1927 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Fred, This may be off-topic for this list, but i have been doing work in the field which you have recently addressed, and in fact have returned to University in order to fill out my background, to shoot down my concepts which are flawed. Have been lurking on this list for two or three months, watching the works of the illustrious Greg and Jean-Louis and others for signs that will bear out my suspicions. If you wish to discuss this topic, i would be more than pleased, as i am sure you know that too many people of education have had their perception and vision narrowed to only accept what exists in their world, and you seem to have opened your eyes. If i had a working device to give the world, i assure you it would be here, but i have chosen not to bore anyone with my theories as yet. And i have been wearing tinfoil for about two years ;-)) If i may ask, what has led you to this train of thought? How much researching have you done? What is your background? Looking forward to hearing from you. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Nov 11 02:04:34 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA01446; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 02:04:23 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 02:04:23 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199711110634.WAA19162@mail1.halcyon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 00:00:22 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: DEAD LIST AGAIN? Resent-Message-ID: <"49mPe2.0.TM.cs2Qq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1928 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Fred - > Soon I will be wearing aluminum foil on my head > to ward off government Z-rays, according to Rick > :-) If the nasties in your area are using Z-rays, you're gonna need something a lot thicker than aluminum foil on your head. Try loading 50/50 mix of 60 mesh silica sand and iron filings in a peanut butter paste and smear it all over your head. That outta work. Watch out for ants, though. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Nov 11 02:19:53 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA02753; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 02:19:40 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 02:19:40 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711111018.CAA18555@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: "Free Energy" Subject: Fred's New Age Trip (wow, man..) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 14:17:03 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"t1GPi1.0.tg.w43Qq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1929 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Curtis says: If i may ask, what has led you to this train of thought? How much > researching have you done? What is your background? Looking forward to > hearing from you. I was lead to this train of thought by a survey of much of the work done in the overunity field. I have rather large files in this area, and the pattern I noticed was that the same small group of ideas was being tackled over and over, each time by a new group of people with great enthusiasm. Then after a while the group would peter out and nothing would be heard from them again. The ideas I saw specifically being studied again and again were: Rotational devices using magnets, perhaps 100 inventors. Solid state ideas using magnets or other electromagnetic principles, perhaps 20 inventors. A group of miscellaneous ideas using various physical forces, like inertia, gravity, electrostatics. Perhaps another 100 inventors. (These are very rough estimates). Even though these were people with great skills, talent, and enthusiasm, and not all of them were afflicted with the inventor's disease (paranoia, secrecy, megalomania, etc.) nonetheless I saw these projects historically had failed over and over. I could only conclude that they had failed because these ideas do not work. Yet there was a core of ideas that didn't seem to go away-- only nobody could duplicate them. I refer of course to the ideas of Moray, Coler, and Hendershot, and a few others less well known. And why were people not able to duplicate these? Was it because of lack of talent, or skill? No, it was because they didn't understand the ideas behind the devices-- and this they shared with the inventors themselves! (With the exception of Moray, who understood very well what he was doing, but didn't tell). Another thing these devices had in common was that they were radiant energy devices. In each case the inventor had acknowledged that the source of the energy lay OUTSIDE the device. Well, this means ipso facto that the source of energy is not electromagnetic in the usual sense, because the EM spectrum has been surveyed from one end to the other, and there are no existent natural EM energies with the necessary power density. Logically then, if one accepts that even one of these devices worked, then one also accepts the existence of an unknown energy, an X-energy, which is not detectable with the normal configurations of electronic instruments, but at the same time has some interaction with electromagnetics, because after all the output of these devices is electricity. This lead inevitably to those areas of study that Reich, Reichenbach, T. Galen Hieronymus, Jerry Gallimore and a whole troop of other Borderland researchers had delved into, going back to the time of Paracelsus and beyond. The fact is that science is in a box. It knows everything in the box and claims to know everything. If it is not in the box it is not real, according to science. But the fact is that there is a whole universe outside the box. There are three paths you can take: you can stay inside the box, and be the orthodox researcher and maybe if you're lucky you will discover a little corner of the box that the hordes of other orthodox scientists have missed ---or you can push at the boundaries of the box, and make the crucial discoveries that expand the boundaries of the box, making careers for generations of the orthodox to follow. And in this group I would include almost all that is being done on the lists, by the way! The Gregs and the Jean-louis's of the world will always be pushing the boundaries and trying to convince the orthodox to go after them, and we need them. OR you can walk right out of the box, right out of science and right out of the real world (according to those in the box, who already are sure what reality is). I am not at all convinced that the scientific method is the best way of apprehending reality, it may well be that revelation is superior. But when I have a revelation, I still test it with an experiment, called "living it out and seeing if it works". If it doesn't work, I drop it, even if it sounded like the voice of Almighty God when I heard it. So, in that sense, I am scientific, even in my wierdest moments. Or maybe I should just say "pragmatic". Oddly, or perhaps not so oddly, considering what I am saying now, I started OUTSIDE the box, well outside, as a hard core New Ager. I was doing channelling in 1982, crystal healing in 1985, long before it was trendy. In fact, my experience is that things get trendy about 5 years after I get into them. Better watch out, alternative science types, your day in the spotlight is coming! I have seen angels (well, one, but he was a BIG one), talked to spirit guides, had experiences with ETs. I managed to create a successful bookstore and start a family through all of this. Not everyone who gets into new age ideas is a brain-dead nut case from California who thinks the government is controlling them through toilet paper rolls. People who think that is all that is going on are only showing their ignorance, or their partial knowledge, which is worse. Anyway, I got dissatisfied with the new age thing not because I felt that it lacked reality but because it became too confining. And, there was a lot of B.S, admittedly. It began to congeal into all sorts of new kinds of fundamentalism, and in any case I had decided I wanted to build a free energy device and/or a flying saucer (whichever came first :-). That's when I began studying electronics etc. thinking that the answer must lie in magnets, gyros, and transistors. Big laugh on me! The answer was in the crystals all along! Now where did I put my guidebook to Sedona vortex spots.. ;-) Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Nov 11 02:22:42 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA03217; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 02:22:30 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 02:22:30 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 00:18:30 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: WSJ article on Chinese UFO research Resent-Message-ID: <"_f7U91.0.Ao.b73Qq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1930 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Ralph - > Beds and Dragonfly Wings > > Mr. Gao says he has test-flown a wooden prototype > with the dimensions of a king-size bed. He is > confident that, someday, with his craft's > manueverability and energy-saving "vortex > generator" (a device that creates lift much like > dragonfly wings) "you won't need airplanes > anymore." He can't offer much more than a > description, however. He says Beijing Institute > has labeled his invention top secret and has banned > him from showing even blueprints to outsiders. That reminds me, the old feathering (feathering = changing angle of attack, not bird parts) paddlewheel makes a pretty good vortex roll. I always wondered why someone doesn't scale it up and drive it at some power. It can move a lot of air, with large working areas at low loadings. This type of wheel can be seen on one of the worst airplanes ever - the hilarious old film of that multiwinged thing that pathetically rolls of the end of a short ramp and collapses in a heap. The "pilot" was trying to pedal power the thing with small three-bladed versions of the device. No hope for that application, but it's still an interesting design. It works a lot like a dragonfly's wings, hurling big vortices off and then flattening out and fliping over for the following revolution. Hard to visualize from a text description, but you get it when you see it. For every forward revolution of the main wheel, each blade continuously turns backwards 180 degree (flips over). These things could be built long and thin, and fit inside cowlings in opposed pairs for torqueless thrust. I could imagine a set in a frame like a king sized bed. They tend to pulse though. Not a smooth ride, but maybe not bad for a man powered aircraft after all. One that's engineered right, of course. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Nov 11 03:06:49 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA15197; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 03:06:35 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 03:06:35 -0800 Message-Id: <199711111106.DAA22317@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: DEAD LIST AGAIN? Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 14:20:11 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"43JDZ2.0.Ij3.wm3Qq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1931 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi Rick, > > Soon I will be wearing aluminum foil on my head > > to ward off government Z-rays, according to Rick > > :-) > > If the nasties in your area are using Z-rays, you're gonna need something a > lot thicker than aluminum foil on your head. Try loading 50/50 mix of 60 > mesh silica sand and iron filings in a peanut butter paste and smear it all > over your head. That outta work. Watch out for ants, though. > Tried that, but without the peanut butter.. nice touch ( a little sticky though). No ants around here since the gov started using Z-rays. Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Nov 11 06:47:37 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA13754; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 06:47:24 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 06:47:24 -0800 From: Keasy@aol.com Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 09:46:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971111094646_-1878575783@mrin39> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: I Just might have Free Energy! No Pollution! Resent-Message-ID: <"g3Fwy2.0.kM3.w_6Qq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1932 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: One apparent problem I hate to have to bring up --- it will always require quite a bit more energy to compress the air than you will ever get from running the engine from the compressed air. Another potential issue is that the energy density of compressed air is exceedingly low compared to gasoline. I don't know that these are problems for your design, but they are things to consider. Ken Keasy@aol.com In a message dated 97-11-11 04:00:05 EST, you write: << For the last couple weeks I've been pondering a solution to engine polution and after talking it over with an older friend of mine, found that it could also mean free energy! I wrote it up and sure enough, it just might work! If not making overunity, it would aleast make a VERY effecient electric engine! It runs on its own once turned over with a standard electric engine starter. It works on air pressure, which is where I have no idea how much air pressure is necessary to run the engine, but I know that enough could be generated. It pumps up a compression tank with a compressor, and once it hits TDC (top-dead-center), a valve releases the pressure into the cyclinder, forcing the piston down. Once the piston is nearly all the way down (9/10), the air escapes through a hole uncovered by the piston. At first I was going to have the compressor run off of a alternator/generator connected to the shaft, but I've heard alot about how you lose energy when changing to and back from electricty from moving force. Also, my current model lacks a flywheel because I have no idea how big of one I would need without inhibiting it. Instead, I'm thinking of leaving the alternator to recharge the battery for the starter (which HAS to give out alot) and power other things, and leave the compressor on a pulley connected to the shaft. 2+ compressors maybe needed to run the tank, but I'm not sure of these calculations so far: * Type of oil? Thinking 2 or 3:1 antifreeze and oil? * Flywheel size and weight * compressors and type * size of tank * max speed of engine (may not be enough to run a car, but could make a VERY good generator if made with multiple or bigger alternator, VERY useful!) Anything else about the engine I'm forgeting? If so, please e-mail me! Also, drop me a line if you want my diagrams and full notes on this engine. I'll even tell you some secrets about it that I don't quite want to release publicly. I DO want to have this available to the public as cheap as possible, but I DON'T want someone else taking credit for it! THIS TOOK ME HARD EARNED TIME AND WORK!!! I DON'T WANT SOME IDIOT TAKING IT FROM ME!!! Thanks, and don't be afraid to send me suggestions, etc. on it. Flames are welcome >:) See y'all -ab837@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca >> From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Nov 11 07:41:51 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA25506; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 07:41:27 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 07:41:27 -0800 Message-Id: <199711111540.NAA29784@bigbox.plug-in.com.br> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Marcelo Puhl" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 13:42:15 -3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: DEAD LIST AGAIN? Reply-to: mark@plug-in.com.br Priority: normal In-reply-to: <8625654C.002C571A.00@sho-1lnsmtp> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Resent-Message-ID: <"29ZRB.0.9E6.Zo7Qq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1933 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > > Fred, > > This may be off-topic for this list, but i have been doing work in the > field which you have recently addressed, and in fact have returned to > University in order to fill out my background, to shoot down my concepts > which are flawed. Have been lurking on this list for two or three months, > watching the works of the illustrious Greg and Jean-Louis and others for > signs that will bear out my suspicions. If you wish to discuss this topic, > i would be more than pleased, as i am sure you know that too many people of > education have had their perception and vision narrowed to only accept what > exists in their world, and you seem to have opened your eyes. If i had a > working device to give the world, i assure you it would be here, but i have > chosen not to bore anyone with my theories as yet. > Hey ! Why we don't discuss this on the list ? I'm a strong believer on brainstorming and chatting about weird ideas ! And I also believe magnetism and electromagnetism aren't completelly understood. There are something to be discovered yet, IMHO. Marcelo From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Nov 11 08:43:14 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA11056; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 08:42:44 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 08:42:44 -0800 From: "Case Black" To: Subject: Re: I Just might have Free Energy! No Pollution! Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 10:43:38 -0600 Message-ID: <01bceec0$f603ffc0$421210d1@main.insync.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"x_-AA.0.Ji2.2i8Qq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1934 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Also, compressing the air each cycle with convert part of the mechanical energy into heat which will dissipate from the system. these things can't win. case b. -----Original Message----- >One apparent problem I hate to have to bring up --- it will always require >quite a bit more energy to compress the air than you will ever get from >running the engine from the compressed air. Another potential issue is that >the energy density of compressed air is exceedingly low compared to gasoline. > I don't know that these are problems for your design, but they are things to >consider. > Ken Keasy@aol.com > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Nov 11 09:58:45 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA02119; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 09:58:27 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 09:58:27 -0800 Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 11:53:31 -0600 (CST) From: HackEd To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: I Just might have Free Energy! No Pollution! In-Reply-To: <971111094646_-1878575783@mrin39> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"Ie8l51.0.0X.2p9Qq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1935 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Thanks Ken for that info. I never considered that. As a 13 year old from a really terrible school, I was never taught, nor even considered the energy involved with air and gasoline. Maybe pumping water or liquid nitrogen would be better? With a condenser it probably wouldn't take much nitro, and when worked it expands to 980 times it regular size. So maybe if you injected that into the warm cylinder it would expand big enough. Only problem being that you would need the engine block atleast 30F. I'm in Celcuis so I don't know how hard that would be, but I figure it could work. Any other ideas for an engine modification with a compressor? Thanks Ken! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Nov 11 10:43:15 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA09510; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 10:42:58 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 10:42:58 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Frank C. Earl" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 12:50:43 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Fred's New Age Trip (wow, man..) Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.42a) Resent-Message-ID: <"HbptG2.0.SK2.lSAQq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1937 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > That's when I began studying electronics etc. > thinking that the answer must lie in magnets, gyros, and transistors. Big > laugh on me! The answer was in the crystals all along! Now where did I > put my guidebook to Sedona vortex spots.. ;-) Well, you know, magnets and transistors are, in general, made with crystals, Fred. (Ducking for cover at this point... ;-> I was in Sedona once... Seemed that it was kinda hokey- seems that it has turned into a tourist trap of sorts. And it didn't seem that special to me at the time. Something of a disappointment. BTW- I still think that electronics is a way of achieving the thing we are all seeking- just that the mode of operations for the devices aren't going to be even remotely similar to the normal ones. Tesla, Moray, etc. used normal electronics in what would be considered abnormal manners. Moray, for example, used a cold-cathode vacuum tube with a special anode target for his devices. The thinking of the day taught that the cold-cathode wasn't even remotely possible (Which is why the thing was never patented.) -- Frank C. Earl Earl Consulting Services ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Pursuant to USC 47, there is a $500 per incident charge for each and every piece of Unsolicited Commercial Email (UCE) sent to this or any of my other addresses. Sending UCE's to any of my addresses implys general acceptance of these terms. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Nov 11 10:42:48 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA10790; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 10:42:22 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 10:42:22 -0800 Message-Id: Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Frank C. Earl" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 12:50:43 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: DEAD LIST AGAIN? Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.42a) Resent-Message-ID: <"hh0pT3.0.Se2.BSAQq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1936 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: > and since my own ideas at this point would be laughed > off even this very open-minded list, I stay quiet for the most part, and do > my research. They'd have to be pretty far-fetched to be laughed off the list, Fred... And if you DO find something, please DO let us all in on it at least as much as Greg's doing! -- Frank C. Earl Earl Consulting Services ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Pursuant to USC 47, there is a $500 per incident charge for each and every piece of Unsolicited Commercial Email (UCE) sent to this or any of my other addresses. Sending UCE's to any of my addresses implys general acceptance of these terms. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Nov 11 11:27:21 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA16821; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 11:26:55 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 11:26:55 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3468A2D2.3BF44090@pavilion.co.uk> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 19:24:32 +0100 From: Rob Dowse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freenrg-l@eskimo.com" Subject: Wallace patents X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"GEbMk1.0.e64.x5BQq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1938 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I am snail mailing 3,626,606 and 3,626,605 to Rick Monteverde, snail mail.
Rick will scan and email to some one's WWW site in the near future.
 
 

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    From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Nov 11 11:27:08 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA19280; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 11:26:55 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 11:26:55 -0800 Message-ID: <3468A2F3.FB4AD146@pavilion.co.uk> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 19:25:06 +0100 From: Rob Dowse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Fred's New Age Trip (wow, man..) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199711111018.CAA18555@mail1.halcyon.com> Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"72GIM2.0.9j4.-5BQq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1939 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Fred Epps wrote:
<snip> This lead inevitably to those areas of study that Reich, Reichenbach, T. Galen Hieronymus, Jerry Gallimore and a whole troop of other Borderland researchers had delved into, going back to the time of Paracelsus and beyond.
Hi Fred!

Can you point those of us who are not aware of this work to info. on the WWW?

Thanks for a very interesting post.
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    From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Nov 11 11:28:38 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA17070; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 11:28:07 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 11:28:07 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3468A312.D6B85586@pavilion.co.uk> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 19:25:37 +0100 From: Rob Dowse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: DEAD LIST AGAIN? X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199711110634.WAA19162@mail1.halcyon.com> Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"QBSXi1.0.dA4.47BQq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1940 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Fred Epps wrote:
> Hi all,
> Everybody has lost his faith?
> Vicente.
>
Hi Vicente,

   Yes, I have lost faith--but that is not necessarily a bad thing.  I have
lost faith that the energy sources we seek are within electromagnetic or
electronic machinery. ...<snip>...there is a whole
universe of phenomena that don't play the game at all, being outside of
science as it is currently constructed, and I now believe that is where the
answers lie....<snip>...And yes, it does
involve crystals!...<snip>...since my own ideas at this point would be laughed
off even this very open-minded list, I stay quiet for the most part, and do
my research.

Fred

Hi Fred!

Thanks again for a very thought provoking post. I for one would really like to hear (read?) more of your ideas. I don't see a case for laughing any one's ideas off, if they are presented with any thing like the erudition you seem to bring to the list.

In anticipation....!!!

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    From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Nov 11 11:28:16 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA19680; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 11:28:04 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 11:28:04 -0800 Message-ID: <3468A334.8E3F2504@pavilion.co.uk> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 19:26:11 +0100 From: Rob Dowse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: WSJ article on Chinese UFO research X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"VDD4I1.0.Op4.17BQq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1941 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: ralph muha wrote:
>Beds and Dragonfly Wings
>
>Mr. Gao says he has test-flown a wooden prototype with the dimensions
>of a king-size bed.  He is confident that, someday, with his craft's
>manueverability and energy-saving "vortex generator" (a device that
>creates lift much like dragonfly wings) "you won't need airplanes
>anymore."  He can't offer much more than a description, however.  He
>says Beijing Institute has labeled his invention top secret and has
>banned him from showing even blueprints to outsiders.
<snip>
Hi All,

New Scientist magazine published in the UK had related articles in the 11th Oct '97 issue (On a wing and a vortex) and 18th Nov '95 issue (Breaking the laws of flight).

The '97 article discusses Leading Edge Vortex lift in insect wings and models built to study the effect.  

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Rob Dowse
    From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Nov 11 11:49:51 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA21687; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 11:49:18 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 11:49:18 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 14:45:00 -0800 From: francis x roarty Subject: Re: megalith transport, pyramid building To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-to: froarty@motown.lmco.com Message-id: <3468DFEC.4E35@motown.lmco.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: Resent-Message-ID: <"L1qNp.0.fI5.xQBQq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1942 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Rick, had a thought on the block transport - perhaps they moved 2 blocks at a time with 2 smaller "pivot blocks" they could link the two blocks with a torque arm and walk the blocks from primary pivot untill it overhangs the secondary pivot, then add weight to the suspended weight untill it comes down and transforms the secondary pivot into the primary - then they only have to move the newly abandoned pivot forward. frank From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Nov 11 11:54:06 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA22605; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 11:53:18 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 11:53:18 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971111135159.0069fd48@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 13:51:59 -0600 To: "Fred Epps" From: Jack DeMule Subject: Fred Epps...come on down. Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"qIGvd2.0.5X5.YUBQq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1943 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi Fred, Well, crud...since when did an idea being far out make it unsuitable for _this_ list. I for one would like to hear about whatever you've been pondering. I believe that there is untapped energy yet to be utilized. But I have no idea how it will be tapped, so I try to keep an open mind. (I also believe in the C of E.) It may take a collaboration of the free thinkers, electrical circuit, and magnet guys, to achieve what we all desire...no? After telling you of nearly setting my house on fire with my atmospheric electricity experiments, do you think I'm bothered by people wearing aluminum foil hats? :) Oh, Moray's cold cathode tube was NOT a ground breaker in that respect. There were cold cathode rectifiers, and voltage regulators, long before the days of Mr. Moray. Where do people get such ideas? Best Regards, JD -------------------------------------------------------- E-mail to mules@palacenet.net --------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Nov 11 13:50:52 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA10849; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 13:50:38 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 13:50:38 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3468DFEC.4E35@motown.lmco.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 11:43:40 -1000 To: Free Energy List From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: megalith transport, pyramid building Resent-Message-ID: <"nMJVe1.0.If2.fCDQq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1944 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Frank - > ...walk the blocks... Had to move your refrigerator today, did you? Walking is cool, and I'm sure it had a place in heavy item transport. If you can get the oscillating motion rythmic on a given system, it really does walk. Sails could even help here too - you can do quick little jibes downwind in a sailboat on the natural heeling frequency of the boat, especially one that has a heavy keel (slower frequency) and not just a little spade keel. And because sails can be made to oscillate back and forth on their own in the wind, such a system could even go automatic. One of the little projects in the back of my mind, sort of a kinetic sculpture really, is to try building such a system with a reasonably small sized rock, maybe up to 100 lbs. or so. Let it loose on a golf course or something. I built model mechanical walker of small size, and it can walk up to 60 pounds, but the stroke is too small for rough or soft ground - works best over asphalt or concrete. It consists of a platform with two rails which move on camlike connections to the platform. Rock the platform from side to side, and it crawls forward. I came up with the idea while trying to figure out a way to cheaply remove boats and other heavy debris that gets stuck on our reefs here from time to time without smashing up the reef terribly. They usually have to bring out one of those huge steel treaded cranes$$. I was thinking telephone poles for the walking rails. You can walk a sailboat off the reef this way using the sail without added gizmos other than perhaps a single beam of wood as a pawl or lever if the hull isn't already gored. Easter Island moa'e are suspected of walking - that's how the residents say they made it from the quarry sites to their final position. Recently there was quite a bit of work done on figuring out how they did it, and some clever walking-type ideas were tried out. One uses the round bellies of the statues as a fulcrum. However, evidence now seems to point towards a simple triangular sled (slege?) and lots of guys dragging it, according to an Archaeology magizine cover story a few months ago. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Nov 11 13:56:38 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA19362; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 13:55:50 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 13:55:50 -0800 Message-ID: <3468D470.E41A6E43@microtronics.com.au> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 08:26:00 +1030 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List Server Freenrg CC: List Server Vortex , List Server Newman Subject: "On Dangerous Ground" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"whZuE2.0.Hk4.ZHDQq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1945 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi All, Came home a few days ago and found a copy of the Steven Segal video "On Dangerous Ground" (its about oil company greed) on my door step. Someone had written "YOUR", in red ink, in front of the "On". Has caused me a few negative thoughts. Almost pulled my web site off-line. Who Sent it???????????????????? ========================== I am altering the exit profile on 5 SMOT Mk4 units at present. The start of the exit ramp stays at -10mm then drops to -13mm after the 25mm long exit ramp and the start of the first 90 deg right hand turn, drops to -14 at the finish of the second 90 deg right hand turn and the start of the back return straight. Other profiles are the same. Should have the reworks back by Friday. Discovered we only have to polish out the bottom half of the troughs. Makes the work quicker. I have also gone to 30mm (20mm above magnets) high flux return guides on the last 2 magnets. Was using 20mm high on the last magnet. The overall effect is to further reduce flux density under the arrays and the increased PE energy produced by the exit contour mods helps as well. I believe these mods will not impact the schedule and will generate REALLY solid "Rollarounds". -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Nov 11 13:57:43 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA12056; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 13:57:24 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 13:57:24 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3468A2D2.3BF44090@pavilion.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 11:53:14 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: Wallace patents Resent-Message-ID: <"jf2t93.0.Fy2.0JDQq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1946 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Rob - > I am snail mailing 3,626,606 and 3,626,605 to > Rick Monteverde, snail mail. Rick will scan and > email to some one's WWW site in the near future. Thank you Rob. I'll post a note when I get them scanned and somebody has them up on their web site so we can all access them, no thanks to the otherwise greatly appreciated IBM patent server. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Nov 11 15:09:58 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA22738; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 15:09:32 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 15:09:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <01BCEEBC.0F224DE0@dialups-141.kalispell.ptinet.net> From: summit To: "'freenrg-l@eskimo.com'" Subject: RE: I Just might have Free Energy! No Pollution! Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 16:05:18 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BCEEBC.0F3316C0" Resent-Message-ID: <"Wj379.0.9Z5.fMEQq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1947 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: ------ =_NextPart_000_01BCEEBC.0F3316C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I would love to see the plans. Here is one of mine for your enjoyment. I = believe that Physics can't ever apply to fluids. With that theory in = mind follow me..... Way back in the olden days, before electricity the = farmers and homesteaders needed water pumped generally above the water = source. They used what they called a ram pump. The ram pump was gravity = fed. The water preasure pushed against a flap that was spring loaded. = Once this flap was activated or started. It would pump water way above = the source. Now I propose you put a generator on a water wheel above the = tank and pump or pumps. Well the rest IS history . Feel free to use it = or hide it. Need a Ram pump? I believe you can get one in the = Cumberland store catalogue. Need a catalogue I believe you can get them = in Mother Earth news Magazine............................... Or do it = the conventional way and fight the laws of physics that do apply to = energy ,electricity etc. ---------- From: Keasy@aol.com[SMTP:Keasy@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 1997 1:46 AM To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: I Just might have Free Energy! No Pollution! One apparent problem I hate to have to bring up --- it will always = require quite a bit more energy to compress the air than you will ever get from running the engine from the compressed air. Another potential issue is = that the energy density of compressed air is exceedingly low compared to = gasoline. I don't know that these are problems for your design, but they are = things to consider. Ken Keasy@aol.com In a message dated 97-11-11 04:00:05 EST, you write: << For the last couple weeks I've been pondering a solution to engine polution and after talking it over with an older friend of mine, found that it could also mean free energy! I wrote it up and sure enough, it just might work! If not making overunity, it would aleast make a VERY effecient electric engine! It runs on its own once turned over with a standard electric engine starter. It works on air pressure, which is where I have no idea how much air pressure is necessary to run the = engine, but I know that enough could be generated. It pumps up a compression = tank with a compressor, and once it hits TDC (top-dead-center), a valve releases the pressure into the cyclinder, forcing the piston down. = Once the piston is nearly all the way down (9/10), the air escapes through a hole uncovered by the piston. At first I was going to have the = compressor run off of a alternator/generator connected to the shaft, but I've = heard alot about how you lose energy when changing to and back from = electricty from moving force. Also, my current model lacks a flywheel because I = have no idea how big of one I would need without inhibiting it. Instead, = I'm thinking of leaving the alternator to recharge the battery for the = starter (which HAS to give out alot) and power other things, and leave the compressor on a pulley connected to the shaft. 2+ compressors maybe = needed to run the tank, but I'm not sure of these calculations so far: * Type of oil? Thinking 2 or 3:1 antifreeze and oil? * Flywheel size and weight * compressors and type * size of tank * max speed of engine (may not be enough to run a car, but could make a VERY good generator if made with multiple or bigger alternator, VERY useful!) =20 Anything else about the engine I'm forgeting? If so, please e-mail me! Also, drop me a line if you want my diagrams and full notes on this engine. I'll even tell you some secrets about it that I don't quite = want to release publicly. I DO want to have this available to the public as cheap as possible, but I DON'T want someone else taking credit for it! THIS TOOK ME HARD EARNED TIME AND WORK!!! I DON'T WANT SOME IDIOT = TAKING IT FROM ME!!! Thanks, and don't be afraid to send me suggestions, etc. = on it. 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LBFBTixwV3BPUkshLdAi5ChCVxMtUChgU08sEUlESQJPKGBUQUtJTkfzjHcoYEZSLwAsAS3T/1D/ PqHzRY0Uv+HaMBpgRfDZkv8RgBrBHnKpcMAQy1D9EvrQ/1gSPNGMdkYzAkBHEMgxjnLnnTD8sB5i Pjrx0GShO4EWJ84ilHYt3DA4Mzf4QHNmy9CYIG2gPJHTYedtoGEwntA+Pprsdf93DytbdW41fW4w AD6AAAADABAQAAAAAAMAERACAAAAQAAHMIDVfwL97rwBQAAIMIDVfwL97rwBHgA9AAEAAAAFAAAA UkU6IAAAAABsxA== ------ =_NextPart_000_01BCEEBC.0F3316C0-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Nov 11 15:54:07 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA09429; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 15:53:37 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 15:53:37 -0800 Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 16:53:21 -0700 (MST) From: Steve Ekwall X-Sender: ekwall2@november To: List Server Freenrg cc: List Server Vortex , List Server Newman Subject: Re: "On Dangerous Ground" In-Reply-To: <3468D470.E41A6E43@microtronics.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"-ZU8U3.0._I2.-_EQq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1948 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: On Wed, 12 Nov 1997, Greg Watson wrote: >>"On Dangerous Ground" (its about oil company greed) on my door step. >>Someone had written "YOUR", in red ink, in front of the "On". >> >>Has caused me a few negative thoughts. Almost pulled my web site >>off-line. >> >>Who Sent it???????????????????? >> >>========================== Glad you didn't pull your site. "THEY" can be ON Dangerous Ground - 'Yours' if you think they may try it again... if it wasn't the POSTAL or UPS Tracable, But just dropped off, THIS would BE the LAST GROUP I would want to tangle with for collective ingenuity. Depending on your home/office layout, (and if pets are allowed out).. Everyone here Knows a Door-Knob or Porch can become very prone to deliever a high voltage shock (110,220,440 880 --> Telsa pulse + (opps didn't know you were coming or I didn't mean to bake your cake! :) Scientist at work! Neigbors can be notified to ring you if 'outsiders' appear. Family can alternate 'going out schedules' so someone is always home. Long range passive IR can be perimeter'd around house or down road to give plenty of announciation of 'incoming'... I would be afraid to speculate what other members of the l-ist might come up with :):):) Of course video recordering is very goo intelligence gather device to. ------- Really a SHAME though that such things would/might even have to be considered... (sigh).... I think I read in our US paper that AUssies have to have their guns registered AND Trigger LOCKed AND be open to a 24 hour review (IN HOME saftey check) if they want to OWN a firearm.? humm I never had to register (yet they say) humm.. What are we coming too? Firearm Note, in Texas, they just had their 12th annual Pumpkin Throwing Contest (*NO EXPLOSIVES ALLOWED*) - Winning over V-8 powered and liquid nitro rigs, throw a record 10 pound pumpkin over 3,782 (into a chicken coop OVER the horizon... let's see human 150-200lbs/3782' -- humm Chuck a F__ker Contest! :) ------- Yep, I'd be AFRAID to think what THIS L-ist would come up with to come to your rescue if you asked us -- Including software filter of members, (past and present) from the archieves or Bill's script OUT. (real name or Not, SERVERS are there!) address's can be back track for most anything seen on the internet. we would know Country (plus)! === Keep up the good work and hollar BEFORE you need us! Best to you & yours -=se=- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Nov 11 16:29:47 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA16003; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 16:29:28 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 16:29:28 -0800 Message-Id: <199711120029.QAA09331@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: Fred Epps...come on down. Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 04:27:03 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"KWFpC2.0.xv3.cXFQq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1950 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Jack! > > Well, crud...since when did an idea being > far out make it unsuitable for _this_ list. Well, some people are very open minded, but others would laugh if I start talking about crystal power, or how I've been dowsing the details of electronic circuits. Yes, I know, why should I care about people laughing...but it leaves a sour taste. And the list being especially acrimonious of late hasn't made it any easier to spew it all out and let BW be damned. But a lot of it is simply that I like to have specific "circuit proposals" to suggest, not just random ideas. To me a clearly presented, testable BAD idea is better than five vague, pretentious, unverifiable GOOD ideas. So I've been holding off until I have something more specific to suggest. I for one would like to hear about whatever > you've been pondering. I think you got a taste of it in some of the posts I wrote today. There's more. > > I believe that there is untapped energy > yet to be utilized. But I have no idea > how it will be tapped, so I try to keep > an open mind. (I also believe in the > C of E.) It may take a collaboration > of the free thinkers, electrical circuit, > and magnet guys, to achieve what we all > desire...no? Agreed. But I have become more sceptical of projects where the receptive or antenna like function of the device is not acknowledged. > > After telling you of nearly setting my > house on fire with my atmospheric electricity > experiments, do you think I'm bothered by > people wearing aluminum foil hats? :) Actually it's a codpiece! That's where they usually aim the Z-rays, right? :-) > Oh, Moray's cold cathode tube was NOT a ground > breaker in that respect. There were cold cathode > rectifiers, and voltage regulators, long before the > days of Mr. Moray. Where do people get such ideas? Frank was close, Moray had invented the transistor and the patent office rejected it because it didn't have a cathode. Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Nov 11 16:30:19 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA06808; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 16:29:56 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 16:29:56 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711120029.QAA14100@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: Fred's New Age Trip (wow, man..) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 04:05:04 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"9Rg2D1.0.Hg1.1YFQq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1949 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Frank, > > > That's when I began studying electronics etc. > > thinking that the answer must lie in magnets, gyros, and transistors. Big > > laugh on me! The answer was in the crystals all along! Now where did I > > put my guidebook to Sedona vortex spots.. ;-) > > Well, you know, magnets and transistors are, in general, made with crystals, > Fred. > > (Ducking for cover at this point... ;-> well, I have having a little fun there, Frank, but seriously, you don't see single large crystals much in electronics. Magnets and transistors are microcrystalline. My working hypothesis on why I think large crystal structures are important is that this X energy I'm talking about might be capable of setting up a mechanical resonance in the quartz that could then be converted into electricity by the piezoelectric effect. The X energy seems to have more interation with matter than EM forces from what I'm reading. > > I was in Sedona once... Seemed that it was kinda hokey- seems that > it has turned into a tourist trap of sorts. And it didn't seem that > special to me at the time. Something of a disappointment. Never been there, myself, but I've spent some time at Mt. Shasta in N. California. Now THAT is a strange and mysterious spot! Several of us saw UFOs on that trip, and I was never quite the same afterward. > > BTW- I still think that electronics is a way of achieving the thing we > are all seeking- just that the mode of operations for the devices > aren't going to be even remotely similar to the normal ones. Tesla, > Moray, etc. used normal electronics in what would be considered > abnormal manners. Well, the OUTPUT stages will be electronic becasue the machine has to serve our desire for free electricity or it isn't much point. That doesn't mean the rest of the circuit has to be electronic. For instance, the X energy will conduct down a silk thread just as well as a wire. If the silk thread goes to the back of a mirror, the light reflecting off the mirror will have some of whatever information was "stored" in the original energy. This energy can behave like light, like heat, and like current, all in the same circuit! This is an extreme example, dealing with the more "thought-like" ranges of this energy. The aspects that will be useful to power generation will probably have more "law-like" properties. Moray, for example, used a cold-cathode vacuum tube > with a special anode target for his devices. The thinking of the day > taught that the cold-cathode wasn't even remotely possible (Which is > why the thing was never patented.) I think you might be thinking about the solid-state transistor-like device that Moray invented. The patent office said it wouldn't work, because it didn't HAVE a cathode. Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Nov 11 16:30:33 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA16244; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 16:30:22 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 16:30:22 -0800 Message-Id: <199711120029.QAA13718@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: , Subject: the X energy, was DEAD LIST Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 02:28:58 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"GnIKe1.0.jz3.SYFQq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1951 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi Marcelo, > > Hey ! Why we don't discuss this on the list ? > > I'm a strong believer on brainstorming and chatting about weird ideas ! I agree. I have to admit that I've gotten more inhibited as time has gone on, possibly because I put out so many bad ideas for a while. I didn't want to waste BW. Not being a good mathematician or a builder, and not even being that well-versed in classical physics as it turns out, I had come to question my place on a list so full of real engineers and scientists who can build, and talk in numbers. This stopped me for a while until I realized that the energy answers we seek are very possibly outside the whole framework that engineers and scientists are trained in. In the unknown territory where those answers are, we are all equally ignorant :-) > > And I also believe magnetism and electromagnetism aren't completelly > understood. There are something to be discovered yet, IMHO. I agree. But my sense is that all major phenomena that can be detected and measured with the instruments of the trade have been detected and measured. Any truly new EM disoveries will be made with unorthodox measuring instruments. New "meters" must be constructed to find the new phenomena. For instance, Jerry Gallimore did experiments where he discovered that capacitors discharge at a different rate when quartz crystals are held nearby. Wilhelm Reich discovered the same thing with his orgone energy and electroscopes. There is an interaction between this X energy and standard electromagnetics. This is where the cutting edge of research is, in my opinion, not in going over the same old ground. People tend to look under the lamp when they are trying to find something, when it is more likely to be in the darkness. Suppose the occasional successes that people seem to have with magnetic motors are not due to some property of magnetism but because permanent magnets act as a lens for this X energy? In this view the magnet is conservative just as mainstream physics would have it. It is no more the source of the energy than a lens is the source of light. The studies of Charles Reichenbach in the 19th century using hundreds of "sensitives" observing magnets show that there is a flame-like emanation off the ends of the magnet. THe N end of the magnet has a reddish flame and the south end a bluish flame. If a wire was attached to the end of a magnet and run into another room the sensitives would see the flame running off the end of the wire. These observations wer highly replicable. Now consider the main component in the Magnetstromapparat and Stromezeuger of Hans Coler, which is a permanent magnet acting as a conductor in the circuit (this is easier to see in the stromezeuger). Is it possible that the magnet is operating as an antenna or lens for this X energy and somehow converting it into electricity? What other possible explanation is there for these well-documented results? In a similar vein, T. Galen Hieronymus in our century has conducted a simple experiment which demonstrates the existence of this energy. He grew two plants under lightless conditions. One plant had a wire running from the earth to a metal plate in the sun, the other had nothing. The plant with the wire attached had normal green foliage-- in the dark! These are your new phenomena, Marcelo. They were not measured with multimeters or oscilloscopes, so they are not considered real by some. Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Nov 11 16:36:43 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA08428; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 16:36:16 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 16:36:16 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: rmuha@mail Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3468A334.8E3F2504@pavilion.co.uk> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 19:35:13 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: ralph muha Subject: Re: WSJ article on Chinese UFO research Resent-Message-ID: <"IDtzc.0.X32.ydFQq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1952 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Jerry Decker now has the full text of the article on Keelynet. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Nov 11 16:41:00 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA20215; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 16:40:31 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 16:40:31 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971112084104.00705fa0@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> X-Sender: jwinter@cyllene.uwa.edu.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 08:41:04 +0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: John Winterflood Subject: Re: "On Dangerous Ground" In-Reply-To: <3468D470.E41A6E43@microtronics.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"1Igsb2.0.mx4.zhFQq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1953 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: At 08:26 12/11/97 +1030, Greg Watson wrote: >Came home a few days ago and found a copy of the Steven Segal video >"On Dangerous Ground" (its about oil company greed) on my door step. >Someone had written "YOUR", in red ink, in front of the "On". Did they write "YOU'RE" or "YOUR" - One might guess at the writers level of education depending on their English grammar / spelling ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Nov 11 16:59:59 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA00490; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 16:57:29 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 16:57:29 -0800 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 02:56:30 +0100 Message-Id: <199711120156.CAA00044@beta.vossnet.de> X-Sender: leoguitar@mail.vossnet.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: >43 % is OU ! Coulombs charges versus energy gain ! Cc: newman-l@emachine.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id QAA00432 Resent-Message-ID: <"2ZPeC2.0.V7.uxFQq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1954 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Re: http://www.ctv.es/USERS/vramos/home.htm the 2 capacitor charging experiment >> >> If you saw my page, maybe you can help me on this device. >> I start with two capacitors (equals). >> If the first is charged (14V), and discharge it in the second cap, I'll >> have 7V in each capacitor (ideal). In the real test, I have 6'8V in each >> cap. >> With the device described in my page, when the discharge finishes, I >> have 7'42V in each cap. >> The problem is I'm confussed about the energies stored in the caps. >> You and all can test this, only takes 15 minutes to build. The weird >> effect is the final voltages are greater than in a ideal circuit, but >> I'M CONFUSSED ABOUT ENERGIES. >> > >Didn't you get my recent post about this Vicente? > >I see that Stefan has replied: > >> W= 0.5 CU^2 you have 0.98 Wattsseconds of energy >> inside the 10.000 uF cap at 14 Volts. > >> If you have 2 caps at 7.42 Volts each with 10.000 uF you have only >> 2 x 0.27 Wattseconds which is less than the above... >> Sorry, no overunity. > >which of course is absolutely correct. But I think Stefan might have missed >the point. >At 7.42 volts each, the capacitors now have a sum total of about 0.55 watt >seconds, which is MORE than half of the starting energy of 0.98 wattseconds. >In fact it's .06 wattseconds MORE, and this can only be accounted for by the >generation of an ADDITIONAL 0.15 coulombs of _CHARGE_ being stored in the >capacitors. The NORMAL energy loss is always half. >Doesn't anyone else find that an interesting fact ?? > >No it's not overunity, and as Dave says, this is the principle of a 'bucking >circuit' as pointed out on freenrg-l recently. What's interesting about it, >is that it points out an anomaly in the generally perceived relationships of >'charge' and 'energy', and it shows that entropy in electrical circuits is >NOT carved in stone. > Hi Stuart, I don´t know, if it was you who I have coresponded earlier with on a simular circuit....?? Yes, I guess I missed the point ! But doesn´t normal theory predict, that if you do this experiment the stored energy must stay constant (not counting in the losses...) ? So starting with a charged cap at 10.000uf with 14 Volts= 0.98 Ws of stored energy. As we divide the charge along 2 same big caps with 10.000 uF the stored energy should be 0.49 Ws in each cap, this will give a voltage of about 9.9 Volts ! Now we only get 6.8 V or 7.42 Volts. Why? are these the losses ? Is it at 7.42 Volts less losses ? But you are right, the difference between 6.8 V or 7.42 Volts is interesting, so the charge really must be different in each case... As Q=C.V we have Q= 10.000 uF x 14 Volts= 0.14 Coulomb as the starting charge. Now after the experiment we have 2 x 10.000 uF x 7.42 Volts =0.1484 Coulombs charges in all total ! So we won 6 % on the charges !!! ================================ Now if you could get the voltage up to 10 Volts on each cap and thus win about 43 % on the charges, so that each cap would have 0.1 Coulomb charges, each cap would have 0.5 Wattseconds of energy stored, so we have a total of 1 Wattsseconds of energy instead of 0.98 Wattsseconds before the experiment, then it would work as an OU device ! So now the real question is: Can you get more charges than 43 % gain with a better and bigger coil-interruptor-diode combination ? Maybe this way the Hendershot converter worked !??? Also to be pointed out: In the example all in all the stored energy has dropped due to losses. Also some electrolyte capacitors have +/- 30 % capacity variances, so you never know until you really measured the capacitance, if the losses are pretty high or if only your capacitance was not right declared.. So until you do not reach more than 9.9 Volts in each cap after the experiment, you will not be OU. Maybe this circuit just drops off a few losses less , thus the higher voltage at the caps or can it really get more than 43% more charges, i.e. more than 10 Volts on each cap with a bigger coil-interruptor-diode combination ? Maybe it just simply reduced ohmic heating losses in this example, by converting the current into imaginary j-axis current and the rectifies it via the diodes, so you have less ohmic losses ?? Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Nov 11 18:00:27 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA11299; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 18:00:08 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 18:00:08 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971111195900.00732e30@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 19:59:00 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: Re: Fred's New Age Trip (wow, man..) In-Reply-To: <199711120029.QAA14100@mail1.halcyon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"n0MTm3.0.Rm2.dsGQq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1955 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi All... You can combine magnets, large crystals, and electronic circuits, Fred. I happened to notice single crystal MnZn ferrite cores in the Philips soft ferrites catalog at work today. There were some fairly large slabs cut from the crystals too (100mm in the long dimension, I think.) Just a thought, JD ---------------------------------------------------------- And I says "Tell me I'm wrong" and he says "I can't baby, 'cause you're not!" -TEMBWBAM mules@palacenet.net ---------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Nov 11 18:03:57 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA11839; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 18:03:41 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 18:03:41 -0800 Message-Id: Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Frank C. Earl" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 20:11:23 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Fred Epps...come on down. Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.42a) Resent-Message-ID: <"H6hH41.0.ru2.xvGQq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1957 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > Actually it's a codpiece! That's where they usually aim the Z-rays, right? > :-) Damn Fred, you made my day with that one!!! ;-> > Frank was close, Moray had invented the transistor and the patent office > rejected it because it didn't have a cathode. I had read it that way- perhaps I read it wrong. (Now where in the hell did I put my stuff on that so I could re-read it to see if I mis-read it... ARRRGH!!! ;-> -- Frank C. Earl Earl Consulting Services ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Pursuant to USC 47, there is a $500 per incident charge for each and every piece of Unsolicited Commercial Email (UCE) sent to this or any of my other addresses. Sending UCE's to any of my addresses implys general acceptance of these terms. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Nov 11 18:04:29 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA22076; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 18:04:13 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 18:04:13 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Frank C. Earl" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 20:11:23 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Fred Epps...come on down. Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.42a) Resent-Message-ID: <"vsa0M.0.rO5.PwGQq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1956 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > Oh, Moray's cold cathode tube was NOT a ground > breaker in that respect. There were cold cathode > rectifiers, and voltage regulators, long before the > days of Mr. Moray. Where do people get such ideas? Per the information pertaining to the Moray Device that is available. The US Patent Office rejected the device on the grounds that a cold cathode would not work. Now, if that's not true, then we need to know what the truth is. BTW- you claim that there were cold cathodes before Moray attempted to patent his device- were there any patents or records of the same? -- Frank C. Earl Earl Consulting Services ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Pursuant to USC 47, there is a $500 per incident charge for each and every piece of Unsolicited Commercial Email (UCE) sent to this or any of my other addresses. Sending UCE's to any of my addresses implys general acceptance of these terms. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Nov 11 18:41:54 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA17320; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 18:41:27 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 18:41:27 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971111204015.00731028@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 20:40:15 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: Re: Fred Epps...come on down. In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"-YMR-.0.RE4.MTHQq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1958 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 20:11 11/11/97 +0000, Frank C. Earl wrote: >BTW- you claim that there were cold cathodes >before Moray attempted to patent his device- were there any patents >or records of the same? I don't know the patent numbers, but cold cathode tubes pre-date thermionic emission tubes. A quick check of "Electricity in Everyday Life" (published in 1905) shows diagrams of Crooks, Gessler and X-ray tubes... all cold cathode. "Elementary Lessons In Electricity and Magnetism" (published in 1894) has diagrams of Gessler tubes, and I'm pretty sure that Plucker tubes were cold cathode. A more recent item, but still pre-dating Moray, I think, is the very popular Tung-Sol battery charger. Best Regards, JD ---------------------------------------------------------- And I says "Tell me I'm wrong" and he says "I can't baby, 'cause you're not!" -TEMBWBAM mules@palacenet.net ---------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Nov 11 20:30:40 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA12580; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 20:30:27 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 20:30:27 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34693084.F174F057@midusa.net> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 22:28:54 -0600 From: Jon Flickinger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: DEAD LIST AGAIN? References: <3.0.3.32.19971110175310.006a33ec@palacenet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"YQQF53.0.S43.X3JQq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1959 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Jack DeMule wrote: > Hi All, > > At 23:58 11/10/97 +0100, Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga wrote: > >Hi all, > >Everybody has lost his faith? > >Vicente. > > Nope...I just don't have much to say > about the recent threads. > > The raging debate about the validity of > Greg's experiments does nothing for me. > I'm a skeptical optimist....I hope Greg > is right, and wish him success. However > until I build any O/U device myself, I'll > not be convinced. I don't have to agree > with his interpretation of the results to > be grateful that Greg shares his ideas with > us. I wonder how much he would accomplish > without his great enthusiasm? Considering > human nature, I suspect it would not be much. > > I haven't enough knowledge in the area of > electric machinery to follow Butch's work. > I wish I knew more. I believe I'm not alone > in this regard, and regret that Butch perceived > it as a lack of interest. > > Lately I've been busy trying to pay my bills. > Yet I did buy 5 Lb of #38 AWG magnet wire, to > try and duplicate some of the FTL experiments. > I'll post the results when I find the time to > proceed with this project. I really think > there is a flaw in the design of the original > experiment, but unless try to duplicate it > I'll never know. > > Best Regards, > JD > > -------------------------------------------------------- > E-mail to mules@palacenet.net > > --------------------------------------------------------- Jack, I'm new to the list. What FTL experiments are you referring to? Thanks, jf From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Nov 11 21:05:49 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA09103; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 21:05:30 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 21:05:30 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971111230427.00d24964@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 23:04:27 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: Re: DEAD LIST AGAIN? In-Reply-To: <34693084.F174F057@midusa.net> References: <3.0.3.32.19971110175310.006a33ec@palacenet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"KVcYV.0.8E2.PaJQq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1960 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 22:28 11/11/97 -0600, JF wrote: >I'm new to the list. What FTL experiments are you referring to? > >Thanks, >jf Hi Jon, It's an experiment that Fred described to the list a few months ago. An excerpt follows. Best Regards, JD Fred Epps wrote: >Some experiments along this line have already been done. Harold Milnes in >his article "Faster Than Light" in the Jan. 1983 issue of >Radio-Electronics describes some experiments to test the simple relation v >= 1/ (LC)^-2, the transmission line equation, in ranges where LC is less >than ue. He does in fact demonstrate signal velocities close to >simultaneity with a minimum velocity of 100c. >Here is his description of the coil: > >"The delay circuit should be constructed so that the values of L and C are >quite small. The procedure used in the first experiment shows one way to >acoomplish that. A very fine wire is selected, so as to keep the surface >area, and hence the inherent capacitance, small. Number 40 copper wire is >the finest generally available, but it is so fragile that I prefer using >No. 35 steel sound-recording wire... which is quite satisfactory, despite >its high resistance of one-ohm-per-cm. >...a hundred notches were cut, one cm. apart, in two insulating boards, and >the boards were separated from each other by 99 cm. The wire was strung >tightly back and forth, forming a series of 100 parallel lines, each one >meter long (when the turns at the end are taken into account). The total >length was exactly 100 meters. > The value of L was kept quite small because the wires are noninductively >wound, and the direction of current flow in any one line the reverse of >that in the two adjacent lines. > A second, similar, plane was constructed and placed beneath the first, >but with its wires runnig perpendicular to the first's. An air gap of one >cm. separated the two planes. Then a third and fourth plane were stacked >beneath those, with the direction of the wires alternating. The planes >were connected to one another, forming a continuous transmission line 400 >meters long. > [Using standard calculations he estimates the capacitance on a per cm. >basis to be at least less than 1.106 x 10^-15 F.] >Whwen a square wave signal is fed to one end of the device, the transit >time to the other end is so brief that it is undetectable at the highest >sweep-rate of a 15-MHz oscilloscope. According to the c-hypothesis [the >hypothesis that no signals can be >transmitted FTL], the output waveform should be displaced by at least 13 >cm. with respect to the input waveform, but the [rising and falling] points >match the [output rising and falling] points to within the precision that >the instrument permits." > To forestall the objection that the "coil" design was leading to >artifacts, he conducted an experiment where he strung a single thin wire >around an entire city block. The effects were identical. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Nov 11 21:32:57 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA13708; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 21:32:42 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 21:32:42 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971112133152.007050fc@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> X-Sender: jwinter@cyllene.uwa.edu.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:31:52 +0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: John Winterflood Subject: Re: megalith transport, pyramid building Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"M25Of1.0.5M3.vzJQq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1961 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 14:45 11/11/97 -0800, francis x roarty wrote: > had a thought on the block transport - perhaps they moved 2 blocks at a >time with 2 smaller "pivot blocks" they could link the two blocks with a >torque arm and walk the blocks from primary pivot untill it overhangs >the secondary pivot, then add weight to the suspended weight untill it >comes down and transforms the secondary pivot into the primary - then >they only have to move the newly abandoned pivot forward. Just a few days ago I heard a 2 hour lecture in the art gallery of Uni of Western Australia by a civil engineering professor type about the very subject of how the pyramids were built and in particular how the blocks were transported and raised. Early in the piece he made the point that given the number of blocks and time for building (accepted value ~20years) and 12 hours daylight for a working day, the blocks must have been laid at the rate of one every two minutes on average (probably twice that rate as a maximum). Estimating how long it takes to quarry a block from a limestone cliff allows you to guess at how large the quarry face must have been to have so many blocks being cut in parallel (a couple of kilometers as I remember but I am not sure) and this gives a minimum distance that they had to be transported (but it is known that some were brought from much further afield - having to be brought across the Nile even). After ruling out sleds, rollers, etc and to cut a two hour lecture into a couple of paragraphs his solution was as follows :- If you start with a circle of wood approx 1 metre in diameter and then cut a square piece out of the centre such that the corners of the square touch the perimeter of the circle, then you end up with four smaller pieces of wood which are rounded on one side and flat on the other. If you take two of these and drill matching holes near the rounded side and stick short pieces of dowel perpendicularly between them then you get a sort of rocking cradle. Small devices identical to this are on display in the Cairo museum and so it is known that they made such things but it was unknown what they used them for. One Egyptologist thought that a large one could be used to sit a block of stone in and by rocking back and forth, and putting a thin block of wood under the opposite side to which you rocked it, it could be used to raise the block of stone to some height fairly easily. But the solution that this fellow proposed was that four of such rockers could be easily placed near one end of a stone block (fitting around it as if the stone were the square piece we cut out) and strapped on by wrapping rope several times around (pressing against the dowels). Then another set of four for the other end of the stone block and the block has become easily transportable at good speed along a level surface by two men pushing it to roll it along. (the strapped on rounded pieces are like a wheel at each end and the stone block is like an axle between them). What is more is that if you wrap quite a lot of rope around the ends (and we know the Egyptians were very good at making rope - as good as we are today) and pull on them then you get a 2:1 mechanical advantage and the stone can quite easily be pulled up a 1 in 4 ramp by about a dozen men - again at good speed and simply needing a chock behind it to stop it rolling back when you want to stop. This is also the method that he thought they would have used to raise the stones to the required height and move them to where they were to be placed. There is some evidence of of ramps (going diagonally up one or more faces of a pyramid) on one or two pyramids but he thinks that a slope of at least 1 in 4 is required (which rules out sliding friction arrangments). So this was his solution and a very practical one it is also. A Japanese building company was interested in testing the idea (I don't know why) and so they actually cast some 2.5 tonne concrete blocks and a built a packed dirt roadway with a 1 in 4 incline at the end and had some guys run a few blocks along and up to see how practical the idea was. It worked very well. He also showed how easy it was to add packing pieces in case the block was not of square section. I am not convinced that this was how the Egyptians did it because it doesn't match so well with Herodotus's description of how they raised the stones, but it is a very good solution anyway. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Nov 11 22:40:49 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA24891; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 22:40:32 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 22:40:32 -0800 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 01:40:18 -0500 (EST) From: woods@most.weird.com (Greg A. Woods) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: "On Dangerous Ground" In-Reply-To: Greg Watson's message of "Wed, November 12, 1997 08:26:00 +1030" regarding ""On Dangerous Ground"" id <3468D470.E41A6E43@microtronics.com.au> References: <3468D470.E41A6E43@microtronics.com.au> Reply-To: woods@weird.com (Greg A. Woods) X-Mailer: ViewMail (vm) Version 5.96 (beta) with GNU Emacs 19.34.1 (m68k.68881-sun-sunos4.1.1, X toolkit) of Thu Sep 12 1996 on most Organization: Planix, Inc.; Toronto, Ontario; Canada Resent-Message-ID: <"IK7Xk2.0.l46.UzKQq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1962 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: [ On Wed, November 12, 1997 at 08:26:00 (+1030), Greg Watson wrote: ] > Subject: "On Dangerous Ground" > > Came home a few days ago and found a copy of the Steven Segal video > "On Dangerous Ground" (its about oil company greed) on my door step. > Someone had written "YOUR", in red ink, in front of the "On". > > Has caused me a few negative thoughts. Almost pulled my web site > off-line. That's too bad. Threats of any kind are not something I have any real experience with so I guess I can't really say very much other than to offer words of encouragment. I do hope that there's something that can be done about those who make such threats, idle or not, in your jurisdiction. I would hate to see them have their desired effect on you and your family, and I do hope they can never go from threats to action. > Who Sent it???????????????????? I do hope you find out, but not the hard way.... Good luck and best wishes! -- Greg A. Woods +1 416 443-1734 VE3TCP Planix, Inc. ; Secrets of the Weird From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Nov 11 23:02:21 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA28973; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 23:02:10 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 23:02:10 -0800 Message-Id: <199711120702.XAA12560@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: Fred's New Age Trip (wow, man..) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:42:15 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Yfd7v.0.c47.nHLQq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1963 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > > You can combine magnets, large > crystals, and electronic circuits, > Fred. > > I happened to notice single crystal > MnZn ferrite cores in the Philips > soft ferrites catalog at work today. > There were some fairly large slabs > cut from the crystals too (100mm in > the long dimension, I think.) > My mind seems to be stuck on piezoelectric crystals like quartz and ferroelctric crystals like Barium Titanate. But thanks for the tip, I didn't realize they were using such large crystals in magnetics. Wouldn't they have a huge Barkhausen effect? Or am I mixing up domains with crystal structures? Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Nov 11 23:04:18 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA02963; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 23:03:36 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 23:03:36 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <3468D470.E41A6E43@microtronics.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 20:59:31 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: "On Dangerous Ground" Resent-Message-ID: <"Q6aAZ.0.Bk.6JLQq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1964 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Barry Merriman wrote: > I would be worried only because the person who > put it there probably believes there is some > conspiracy to cover up infinite energy, and is thus > doubly nutty (conspiracy and free energy), and is > therefore perhaps insane enough to cause you some > trouble. I think you missed one category: religious zealots. There are people out there who equate anything UFO/new-age/free-energy as being part of some sort of anti-God conspiracy organized by Satan. A few of us who posted frequently to the UFO and Encounters forum on Compuserve, including Chris Tinsley, were cyberstalked and hassled by one of these fellows. They're rare, but they're out there. I don't think Greg is at any significant risk of harm though. There's a far greater chance of him becoming physically ill from watching a movie as bad as "On Dangerous Ground". - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Nov 11 23:06:54 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA03688; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 23:06:25 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 23:06:25 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711120705.XAA16597@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: "Free Energy" Subject: Chris Dreyer Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:04:34 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"r24oF.0.Wv.kLLQq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1965 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Folks! Does anyone know, or know of, a free energy resercher named Chris Dreyer? I would like to get in touch with him. Thanks in advance! Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Nov 11 23:24:03 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA05947; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 23:23:48 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 23:23:48 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 00:23:05 -0700 (MST) From: Steve Ekwall X-Sender: ekwall2@november To: francis x roarty cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: megalith transport, pyramid building In-Reply-To: <3468DFEC.4E35@motown.lmco.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"oJhZx1.0.oS1.1cLQq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1966 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Tue, 11 Nov 1997, francis x roarty wrote: >>Hi Rick, >> had a thought on the block transport - perhaps they moved 2 blocks at a >>time with 2 smaller "pivot blocks" they could link the two blocks with a >>torque arm and walk the blocks from primary pivot untill it overhangs >>the secondary pivot, then add weight to the suspended weight untill it >>comes down and transforms the secondary pivot into the primary - then >>they only have to move the newly abandoned pivot forward. >>frank >> Frank, Didn't understand your 2 pivot blocks at first, as I was thinking of What length of lever are you supposing.. then I thought of ropes... then I thought of "thousands of pivot points".. Walking the blocks is indeed DO-able (BUT should get harder as one approaches the top.) If the 2 (*) points equal or succeed the weight + friction it would indeed move the larger rock forward. -------- * case in point. -------- I was unfortunate enough to have my 4 wheel drive stuck in the middle of NOwhere on frozen night (don't ask:) with nothing on the flat dark frozen plain but mountains about 4 miles away in the horizon. No Trees, No Rocks, No bushes, No Help. I might have frozen that night. I pulled out my wench cable as far as it would go, looking at a 2' rock (that turned out to be a frozen cactus) about 800' away as my only hope. (500'cable was 300' short (sigh :(. Anyway, I finally just tried to Lassoe the ground (frozen). Walking off to the right then around to the left to spread out ALL the cable I had and hooked it back to the jeep bumper.... I started the winch and noted it catch here and there all along the "frozen flat terrain". POP one to ten little pivot points snapped free... Still reeling in the cable.. POP, SNAP, Zing... tens of others 'points' let GO!... finally a thousand little unseen stick-in-dirt fingers gave enough overall torque to grab hold, and pulled me out of the one rut in this flat landscape. True story. -------- While the desert isn't frozen, 2 (3,4,5,6 ...smaller weights) would have been an easy deduction for how to move this 'massive automobile weight', as well as a welcome one when you're stuck on how to move mass. -------- Ropes probably.. if not, supposably they 'lifted' them crane (lever) wise onto their boats to take down the Nile. These ' lifters' could actually be used to catapiller walk them (the blocks) wherever you wanted them! Easier then 'pulling'... And your anchor 'pivot points' are a solid idea, if the pair (or mulitude) of points were along the way. Lastly might be the sonic vibration aetheral floation of the stones.... Don't close your mind to this one yet, maybe that last answer:) --------- Because my thousand little frozen 'little' points worked to move a 2,500 pound car [stuck=3,500 ->5,000??pound??] I'm sure YOUR 2 pivot rocks have a good chance to 'pair off+' and do the job --------- Being NO evidience of abandoned 'Pivet Points' along the way the rocks travled... Your MOVING 2 points fit in .. as well as the catapiller walk to get to the burial site. --------- Finally, Don't under estimate the 'horse-power' of thousands of MEN pulling on a rope!! (even a foot at a time (with lots of time)).. horse power built the Great Wall of China. (Mans-Back!).. AND They, (the Pyramids), were built as a Security structure over-all, and unless you could command millions of men to your beck and call, it would be hard-pressed to UNDO them. Hope that makes some 'physical/lever/pivot-point sense' :) -=jse=- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Nov 11 23:44:11 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA01700; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 23:43:40 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 23:43:40 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971112154323.00707bf4@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> X-Sender: jwinter@cyllene.uwa.edu.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 15:43:23 +0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: John Winterflood Subject: Re: Fred's New Age Trip (wow, man..) In-Reply-To: <199711120702.XAA12560@mail1.halcyon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"X-pbE2.0.SQ.huLQq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1967 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Fred Epps wrote: > > Jack DeMule wrote: >> >> I happened to notice single crystal >> MnZn ferrite cores in the Philips >> soft ferrites catalog at work today. >> There were some fairly large slabs >> cut from the crystals too (100mm in >> the long dimension, I think.) >> >My mind seems to be stuck on piezoelectric crystals like quartz and >ferroelctric crystals like Barium Titanate. But thanks for the tip, I >didn't realize they were using such large crystals in magnetics. Wouldn't >they have a huge Barkhausen effect? Or am I mixing up domains with crystal >structures? Could you check this "single crystal" bit again Jack? Lumps of ferrite are made by sintering the powder at high pressure and temperature as far as I know. It shrinks and warps a bit and so they have to grind the mating surfaces afterwards. Haven't heard of any single crystal stuff before. I have a couple of large ferrite magnets - approx 100x70x10mm. They are cut from much larger blocks. You can see the circular cut marks. But I am sure they are not single crystal either. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Nov 11 23:57:11 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA03387; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 23:56:50 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 23:56:50 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971112155623.00708140@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> X-Sender: jwinter@cyllene.uwa.edu.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 15:56:23 +0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: John Winterflood Subject: Re: "On Dangerous Ground" In-Reply-To: References: <3468D470.E41A6E43@microtronics.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"myU741.0.kq.05MQq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1968 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Rick Monteverde wrote: >Barry Merriman wrote: > > > I would be worried only because the person who > > put it there probably believes there is some > > conspiracy to cover up infinite energy, and is thus > > doubly nutty (conspiracy and free energy), and is > > therefore perhaps insane enough to cause you some > > trouble. > >I think you missed one category: religious zealots. ... >snip Think on the bright side - the person may actually be friendly and trying to warn Greg of the possible persecution that he could face. Why does it have to be a threat rather than a friendly word of warning. Sounds like Greg scored a free video out of it anyway:- Score :- Greg (1), Video Grafitier (0)! What is the quality of the video like Greg? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 12 00:07:53 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA04711; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 00:07:40 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 00:07:40 -0800 Message-Id: <199711120807.AAA27594@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: Fred's New Age Trip (wow, man..) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 12:06:22 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"MUOSK2.0.W91.BFMQq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1969 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Rob, This lead inevitably to those areas of study that Reich, Reichenbach, T. Galen Hieronymus, Jerry Gallimore and a whole troop of other Borderland researchers had delved into, going back to the time of Paracelsus and beyond. Hi Fred! Can you point those of us who are not aware of this work to info. on the WWW? Thanks for a very interesting post. I will look and report back. The first place I would go is Borderland Sciences: http://www.borderlands.com/index.htm There is a great deal of information here of interest to those who are willing to go a little further out. This file: ftp://bsrf-web:webuser@borderlands.com/hieronym.txt refers to the plant experiment that Hieronymus did. Here's an interesting experiment of Jerry Gallimore's. He thinks he's detecting gravity waves, I think he is detecting this Odic energy. http://www.newphys.se/elektromagnum/physics/KeelyNet/gravity/galli1.asc Here's a good Reich page. Everyone in alternative science should know about him! http://www.orgone.org/ Here's a brief description of Baron Von Reichenbach's research: http://diamondhead.net/chapt3.htm Not much on the list about him. Too bad, he was an amazing guy, the inventor of creosote and other industrial materials and a through and careful scientist. Hope this gets you started. You'll need to get to the bookstores and libraries to dig in deep, of course I'm prejudiced because I own one :-) Fred    -- --------- Rob Dowse     From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 12 00:18:11 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA10867; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 00:17:59 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 00:17:59 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 01:17:20 -0700 (MST) From: Steve Ekwall X-Sender: ekwall2@november To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Fred's New Age Trip (wow, man..) In-Reply-To: <199711120029.QAA14100@mail1.halcyon.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"wjk_R2.0.ef2.rOMQq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1970 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Wed, 12 Nov 1997, you wrote: -snip- >>well, I have having a little fun there, Frank, but seriously, you don't see >>single large crystals much in electronics. Magnets and transistors are >>microcrystalline. My working hypothesis on why I think large crystal >>structures are important is that this X energy I'm talking about might be >>capable of setting up a mechanical resonance in the quartz that could then >>be converted into electricity by the piezoelectric effect. The X energy >>seems to have more interation with matter than EM forces from what I'm >>reading. Absolutely, ...this group can handle Atlantian Crystal(s) and Pyramid shape(s) for X energy. LARGE Crystal(s). -snip- >>Well, the OUTPUT stages will be electronic becasue the machine has to serve >>our desire for free electricity or it isn't much point. >>That doesn't mean the rest of the circuit has to be electronic. For >>instance, the X energy will conduct down a silk thread just as well as a >>wire. If the silk thread goes to the back of a mirror, the light >>reflecting off the mirror will have some of whatever information was >>"stored" in the original energy. This energy can behave like light, like >>heat, and like current, all in the same circuit! >>This is an extreme example, dealing with the more "thought-like" ranges of >>this energy. The aspects that will be useful to power generation will >>probably have more "law-like" properties. >> -snip- 'extreme example': but, right IN line with vort's / aehter's and x'er's :) mirror image, reflected image, stored (heat/current) image.. all clans,groups,clubs,camps,parties concerned here seem to agree and are looking for that/any/THE Key! Time is short for us all, day by day, it seems to get shorter. -=se=- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 12 00:42:52 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA08140; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 00:42:41 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 00:42:41 -0800 From: curtis.sandoval@supervalu.com X-Lotus-FromDomain: SVHO@SVEXTERNAL To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Message-ID: <8625654D.002E904F.00@sho-1lnsmtp> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 02:42:59 -0600 Subject: X-Energy Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"81SQl1.0.5_1.0mMQq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1971 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Fred, et al, Okay, so it seems that piezoelectric may be a good starting point - for conversion of EM to electricity, EM being drawn from Terran or atmospheric sources. Good for a start, but the problem is that i want to eventually quantify the x-energy, be able to measure and manipulate it. Perhaps it is beyond this form of identification, but you never know until you try. Regarding piezoelectrics, i had been on Tesla coil discussion groups in the past, to obtain knowledge about resonant frequencies and possible anomalous readings when operating a coil in certain ranges. The idea i had was to possibly fabricate a coilform of sufficient size/turns to be resonant at a very low frequency, say in the 4-10Hz range, the 'alpha sleep, theta sleep, and supposed earth frequencies.' They all insisted that you would not want to do this, but i was not trying to build a spark-generating coil so much as a receiver, to test for Earth resonant fields of possibly usable EM radiation. Am planning on 'roughing out' one here in the next month or so, can anybody send me some specs of height/diameter/# of turns? If this experiment proves successful, i had planned to fabricate one with a quartz core, to see if that changed anything, but once again i need to find the resonant frequency of a cylinder of quartz crystal... Just doesn't seem to be any information out there on these things. There is still much to be learned, in my opinion, about inherent energy of crystalline structures and their energy transmission characteristics. Questions, comments, suggestions? (please, no Segal movies ;-)) P.S. Fred, you never said where this bookstore is... Bet it has some interesting titles... c cgs s From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 12 05:33:03 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA02441; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 05:32:48 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 05:32:48 -0800 From: JNaudin509@aol.com Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 08:32:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971112083211_-2078686581@mrin79> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com cc: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Electrogravity - ELPEX V2.0 design and tests Resent-Message-ID: <"bMvNA3.0.mb.-_QQq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1972 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi All, I have updated my web site with the new design of the Patrick Cornille's electrostatic pendulum, this new enhanced device give us a 39mm deviation and strong oscillations. You will find all pictures and diagram at : http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/jlnaudin/html/elpex20.htm I hope that this will interest you, Sincerely, Jean-Louis Naudin ( France / GMT+1 ) 11/12/97 - 13:24GMT Email : JNaudin509@aol.com my Overunity WEB Server : http://members.aol.com/JNaudin509/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 12 06:46:30 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA12573; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 06:46:19 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 06:46:19 -0800 From: RoConroy@aol.com Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:45:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971112094539_1113560022@mrin79> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: X-Energy Resent-Message-ID: <"3ibrj.0.M43.w4SQq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1973 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: In a message dated 97-11-12 03:44:05 EST, Curtis, you write: << There is still much to be learned, in my opinion, about inherent energy of crystalline structures and their energy transmission characteristics. Questions, comments, suggestions? (please, no Segal movies ;-)) >> Apparently the normal earth frequency and the frequency of human brain waves are approximately on the same wave frequency. One hypothesis is that the earth can be used as a conduit for thought. Anyway I work on hunches because I feel that I, being simply dust and ashes, with an added energy boost consisting of frequency based energy, can pick up on ideas if I simply stay in tune. How to stay in tune is a different story. If my memory serves me, one of the storys of Atlantis was that they used their crystal not only for energy but for thought transfer. My thought on the subject was that not only is the type of material the crystal is made of important but the shape of the crystal as well. I have experimented by cutting imitation diamond but found that it takes more skill than I possessed with my limited access to the machine to do the job right. Plus I feel that the 12 crystals worn by the high priest of Israel are a clue to the material composition. For the geometry I simply cut a mean proportional geodesic. The geometry for the mean proportional geodesic can be found on my WEB page, and if anyone is interested I can try and find my diamond cutting charts for cutting it on a diamond wheel. I think that the same results can be achieved with micro electronics but it would require building a receiver that tunes into 7 simultanious frequecies which are themselves based on the harmonics of the 7 basic distances of Nature. Bob http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/robert_conroy From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 12 07:17:57 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA18207; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 07:17:38 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 07:17:38 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:36:47 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19971112091730.0f1fa788@pop.mymail.net> X-Sender: sunbrite@pop.mymail.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Michael C Slivinski Subject: Re: Fred's New Age Trip (wow, man..) Resent-Message-ID: <"61-GQ.0.JS4.AYSQq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1974 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hello Frank, Fred, all, Just wanted to make mention, regarding Morays tube without a cathode was thought to be filled with unique gases and operated similar to a cathode tube...but with out the use of a hot cathode. In a way it might make sense if one thought of the cathode-anode and grid to vary the current flow... wonder if this is might be workable using a neon type gas that when ionized acts like a big diode with the grid acting like a valve... funny thing instead of looking like an oversized solid-state device... it might be thought of as a Gaseous-state device. Just thoughts on this. Also... regarding the paranormal... many years ago on in Search Of...Leonard Nimoy hosted the show. There was an inventor that said their group used mediums to come up with patentable ideas. And one idea this gentleman was wearing... it was a type of eyeglass with a prisim type lens on the crown of his nose. The function of it was to give the added periphery vision to his left eye because he was blind in his right eye so had full vision....!!! He said.. the ideas that came through worked just like the channeled info said it would. In other words... the information didn't come through and you had to figure out it's use or content. More thoughts on this also. Thanks Mike Slivinski From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 12 07:35:05 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA25226; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 07:34:52 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 07:34:52 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971112091035.00752bf8@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:10:35 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: Re: Fred's New Age Trip (wow, man..) In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19971112154323.00707bf4@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> References: <199711120702.XAA12560@mail1.halcyon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"IileN.0.2A6.QoSQq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1975 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 15:43 11/12/97 +0800, you wrote: >Could you check this "single crystal" bit again Jack? Lumps of >ferrite are made by sintering the powder at high pressure and >temperature as far as I know. It shrinks and warps a bit and so >they have to grind the mating surfaces afterwards. Haven't >heard of any single crystal stuff before. It was kinda hard to miss...the heading of the page was Single Crystal Ferrites. They also had a diagram showing how the pieces were slabbed out, just like the diagrams you see from quartz crystal manufacturers. I've been designing magnetic components for 18 years, and I've never heard of this before either...ya live and learn. They said the material was used in building VCR heads. Fred, I think there would be zero Barkhausen effect with a single crystal device...maybe that's one reason they use it...less noise? Best Regards, JD ---------------------------------------------------------- And I says "Tell me I'm wrong" and he says "I can't baby, 'cause you're not!" -TEMBWBAM mules@palacenet.net ---------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 12 07:43:45 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA26531; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 07:43:33 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 07:43:33 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971112094230.00c63880@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:42:30 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: Re: Fred's New Age Trip (wow, man..) In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.16.19971112091730.0f1fa788@pop.mymail.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Esk2I1.0.NU6.YwSQq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1976 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Michael, all.... At 09:36 11/12/97 -0600, Michael C Slivinski wrote: >Just wanted to make mention, regarding Morays tube without a cathode was >thought to be filled with unique gases and operated similar to a cathode >tube.. The OZ4 rectifier tube, used in 50-60's vintage car radio power supplies worked like a heated cathode tube...but it has no heater. The cathode is heated only by ionic bombardment. There is a gas contained in the tube to provide the ions. The gas (argon?) also modifies other characteristics as expected. I've heard stories that Mornay used radium in his tubes. Maybe in order to keep the gas ionized? Best Regards, the tubular, JD ---------------------------------------------------------- And I says "Tell me I'm wrong" and he says "I can't baby, 'cause you're not!" -TEMBWBAM mules@palacenet.net ---------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 12 07:57:14 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA31129; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 07:56:52 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 07:56:52 -0800 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 17:54:07 +0100 Message-Id: <199711121654.RAA12671@beta.vossnet.de> X-Sender: leoguitar@mail.vossnet.de (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: Stuart Rae From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Re: >43 % is OU ! Coulombs charges versus energy gain ! Cc: ddameron@earthlink.net, fepps@halcyon.com, mrandall@earthlink.net, vramos@ctv.es, kami@iafrica.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com, newman-l@emachine.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id HAA31018 Resent-Message-ID: <"xQLe02.0._b7.07TQq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1977 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >> But you are right, the difference between 6.8 V or 7.42 Volts is >> interesting, > >Indeed it is! > >> so the charge really must be different in each case... >> As Q=C.V >> we have Q= 10.000 uF x 14 Volts= 0.14 Coulomb as the starting charge. >> Now after the experiment we have 2 x 10.000 uF x 7.42 Volts =0.1484 Coulombs >> charges in all total ! >> >> So we won 6 % on the charges !!! > >Precisely! > >This is the point exactly! So where did it come from? 'Energy' IS >substantially diminished - YES - but NOT by an amount that would be normally >expected in a simple 'resistive' circuit, that dissipates power over time. I >don't want to be oblique, but there is a 'clue' here, as I inferred in my >original post. It relates to the _amount_ of electrical 'energy' that may be >ascribed to an 'electron' as an 'entity'. Is it a constant? No, I don't think >so. It is a substantial variable, and the two things - energy and charge - >are totally different. Hi Stuart, I spoke with Dieter Bauer today about this experiment and he said, it only depends on the final Energy in total. As the total energy of the system is W=0.5CV^2=0.5Q^2/C it only depends on the energy both capacitors have after the experiment and this energy level is lower than the starting point.. Also he says, you mixed up the CHARGE of an electron with the polarisation of PLUS and MINUS charges in a capacitor ! He says it is like a transformer which also can transform low primary current into high secondary current. If you just look at the current you don´t see, that there must also the voltage be counted in.. ! (to calculate the real involved energies) >> Now if you could get the voltage up to 10 Volts on each cap and thus >> win about 43 % on the charges, so that each cap would have 0.1 Coulomb >> charges, each cap would have 0.5 Wattseconds of energy stored, so we have a >> total of >> 1 Wattsseconds of energy instead of 0.98 Wattsseconds before the experiment, >> then it would work as an OU device ! >> >> So now the real question is: >> >> Can you get more charges than 43 % gain with a better and bigger >> coil-interruptor-diode combination ? >> >> Maybe this way the Hendershot converter worked !??? >> >> So until you do not reach more than 9.9 Volts in each cap after the experiment, >> you will not be OU. Maybe this circuit just drops off a few losses less , >> thus the higher voltage at the caps or can it really >> get more than 43% more charges, i.e. more than 10 Volts on each cap with a >> bigger >> coil-interruptor-diode combination ? >> Maybe it just simply reduced ohmic heating losses in this example, by converting >> the current into imaginary j-axis current and the rectifies it via the diodes, >> so you have less ohmic losses ?? Final conclusion is: This circuit just can work as a charge seperation circuit simular to a transformer transforming low primary current into high secondary current. If the voltage can´t be made higher than about 9.9 Volts in each cap after the experiment, this will not show any OU ! My explanation to it is this: Due to the coils involved the charge current of the second cap is converted partially into magnetic fields which store some parts of the energy and then this energy is transfered without much losses into the second cap. This seems to be more efficient than the direct transfer via the pure ohmic resistive switch in the first example... The only odd and interesting thing is, that the ohmic resistance of the coils is probably much higher than the switch resistance in the first example... Maybe it depends on the height of currents involved, so the ohmic losses are still lower in the second example,although the ohmic resistance is higher... As the losses are I^2R a little lower current will produce very less losses, although the resistance might be 10 % higher, cause it is a square relationship ! Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 12 07:57:27 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA31420; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 07:57:13 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 07:57:13 -0800 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:01:15 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711121601.LAA00383@mail.wincom.net> X-Sender: wood@mail.wincom.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: wood Subject: Coler Effect?? Resent-Message-ID: <"3yyi-1.0.Wg7.M7TQq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1978 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >> >> I'm a strong believer on brainstorming and chatting about weird ideas ! > . Not being a good mathematician or a builder, and not >even being that well-versed in classical physics as it turns out, I had >come to question my place on a list so full of real engineers and >scientists who can build, and talk in numbers. >This stopped me for a while until I realized that the energy answers we >seek are very possibly outside the whole framework that engineers and >scientists are trained in. In the unknown territory where those answers >are, we are all equally ignorant :-) I have felt the same way about the list and totallly agree with you >> And I also believe magnetism and electromagnetism aren't completelly >> understood. There are something to be discovered yet, IMHO. > >Now consider the main component in the Magnetstromapparat and Stromezeuger >of Hans Coler, which is a permanent magnet acting as a conductor in the >circuit (this is easier to see in the stromezeuger). Is it possible that >the magnet is operating as an antenna or lens for this X energy and somehow >converting it into electricity? What other possible explanation is there >for these well-documented results? While trying to build an Adams motor I experimented to find the fabled back emf that will change the coils polarity when power is turned off.I found it but not where I was told it would be found. It will be found on an isolated coil not the one that is exposed to the magnetic flux. Another thing I noticed which might have to do with the Coler devices is that when I set up two electromagnetic coils connected and separated by about 3 feet and place a magnet near one coil the other coil will deflect a compass needle 40* from north.Removing the magnet causes a deflection the other way of 40* past the original starting point. What I don't understand is that if I do not remove the magnet from the coil the needle remains deflected about 10 degrees.Does putting a coil in a magnetic flux generate a small amount of electricity even if the flux is stationary? Woody From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 12 10:22:43 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA27862; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:22:23 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:22:23 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:18:11 -0800 From: francis x roarty Subject: Re: Coler Effect?? To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-to: froarty@motown.lmco.com Message-id: <346A1D13.3FA0@motown.lmco.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <199711121601.LAA00383@mail.wincom.net> Resent-Message-ID: <"vndy51.0.2p6.QFVQq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1979 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Wood, I haven't heard much on the Coler effect lately. What kind of magnet is he using as a conductor? I was also trying to follow a system where the permanent magnet was wound with the coil portion of an lc oscillator and the T.E.P. system which seemed to gain something from counterwound bifilar secondaries. My own idea would be to counterwind a single winding back and forth through multiple layers using a permanent magnet as a core and hook it up as an lc tank - I have a suspicion that tightly folding a magnetic field back and forth in opposition to itself may amplify any anomalies otherwise hidden in the grass. Frank From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 12 10:24:54 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA11781; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:24:35 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:24:35 -0800 From: "Sonjalene York Littlefield" To: Subject: Re: Fred Epps...come on down. Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 12:28:23 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-7" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1008.3 X-MimeOle: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.1008.3 Message-ID: <19971112182449796.AAA314@host.tyler.net> Resent-Message-ID: <"5br95.0.zt2.YHVQq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1980 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Mr. Epps: Have you ever considered that the information (crystal) might be found by looking at the detailed instructions given in the Bible for the construction of the +ACI-Ark of the Covenant+ACI-? Perhaps this seems too far out for some but factually, we can be cer-tain of a few things about it.......It is a high tech communication device......messages were both sent and received. It is bi-directional It provides its own source of energy It has crystals It produced electricity.........Aaron's son's were electrocuted+ACE- It has a coil It has antennae It is dangerous When all the accounts are considered, all preconceived ideas are eliminated, and when translated from the Hebrew (stress translated and not interpreted) a completely different picture emerges than the one with which we are all commonly acquainted. I am totally unqualified in electronics myself, but believe this is a hydro-electromagnetic operation with clear circuitry and perhaps even laser capacity. The garments appear to have circuits and connectors,,,,,,garment to breastplate to device........ the u-rim and thumim (Made famous by the Mormons) are even referred to as +ACI-connectors+ACI- in some English translations and the Hebrew word for grapes can be just as easily translated as clusters. In fact, in almost every case, the most preferred definition to translation is not what has been used. I realize I am out on a limb here also, but hope the flamers will be gentle+ACE- Surely we all could agree that God would not be ignorant of electronics. At least let me hear an opinion+ACE- Thanks, sonney+AEA-tyler.net +AD4-Hi Jack+ACE- +AD4- +AD4APg- +AD4APg- Well, crud...since when did an idea being +AD4APg- far out make it unsuitable for +AF8-this+AF8- list. +AD4- +AD4-Well, some people are very open minded, but others would laugh if I start +AD4-talking about crystal power, or how I've been dowsing the details of +AD4-electronic circuits. Yes, I know, why should I care about people +AD4-laughing...but it leaves a sour taste. And the list being especially +AD4-acrimonious of late hasn't made it any easier to spew it all out and let BW +AD4-be damned. +AD4- But a lot of it is simply that I like to have specific +ACI-circuit +AD4-proposals+ACI- to suggest, not just random ideas. To me a clearly presented, +AD4-testable BAD idea is better than five vague, pretentious, unverifiable GOOD +AD4-ideas. So I've been holding off until I have something more specific to +AD4-suggest. +AD4- +AD4- I for one would like to hear about whatever +AD4APg- you've been pondering. +AD4- +AD4-I think you got a taste of it in some of the posts I wrote today. There's +AD4-more. +AD4APg- +AD4APg- I believe that there is untapped energy +AD4APg- yet to be utilized. But I have no idea +AD4APg- how it will be tapped, so I try to keep +AD4APg- an open mind. (I also believe in the +AD4APg- C of E.) It may take a collaboration +AD4APg- of the free thinkers, electrical circuit, +AD4APg- and magnet guys, to achieve what we all +AD4APg- desire...no? +AD4- +AD4-Agreed. But I have become more skeptical of projects where the receptive or +AD4-antenna like function of the device is not acknowledged. +AD4APg- +AD4APg- After telling you of nearly setting my +AD4APg- house on fire with my atmospheric electricity +AD4APg- experiments, do you think I'm bothered by +AD4APg- people wearing aluminum foil hats? :) +AD4- +AD4-Actually it's a codpiece+ACE- That's where they usually aim the Z-rays, right? +AD4-:-) +AD4- +AD4APg- Oh, Moray's cold cathode tube was NOT a ground +AD4APg- breaker in that respect. There were cold cathode +AD4APg- rectifiers, and voltage regulators, long before the +AD4APg- days of Mr. Moray. Where do people get such ideas? +AD4- +AD4-Frank was close, Moray had invented the transistor and the patent office +AD4-rejected it because it didn't have a cathode. +AD4- +AD4-Fred +AD4- +AD4- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 12 11:00:16 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA04645; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:59:56 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:59:56 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <971112094539_1113560022@mrin79> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 08:55:47 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: X-Energy Resent-Message-ID: <"XYWbI.0.J81.doVQq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1981 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Robert Conroy wrote: > If my memory serves me, one of the storys of > Atlantis was that they used their crystal not only > for energy but for thought transfer. Are there any other bona fide sources on Atlantis besides Plato? I don't remember anything about a crystal in "Timothy & Critias". - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 12 11:20:53 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA08681; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:20:36 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:20:36 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711121919.LAA01611@mailtod-121.bryant.webtv.net> From: leelouden@webtv.net (Lee Louden) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:19:33 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: X-Energy Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"6hgt61.0.S72.16WQq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1982 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Rick, Back in the 60's when I was an active member of the Rosicrucians (AMORC), I was very interested in Atlantis. I went to their library in San Jose California and told the Librarian that I wanted to check out all the books on Atlantis. She smiled and said "that's a tall order, we have over a thousand of them". Needless to say, I never did read them all nor do I remember any of the titles today. The regular libraries may have a few, but if you have a metaphysical library in your area, you should be able to find a bunch. Happy hunting. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 12 11:23:57 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA22711; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:23:20 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:23:20 -0800 Message-Id: <199711121923.LAA31804@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: "Free Energy" Subject: Fw: Fred's New Age Trip (wow, man..) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 23:20:20 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"2mlsb3.0.iY5.b8WQq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1983 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > Hi Rob, It doesn't look like this post got on the list, here it is again... > > This lead inevitably to those areas of study that Reich, > Reichenbach, T. Galen Hieronymus, Jerry Gallimore and a whole troop of > other Borderland researchers had delved into, going back to the time of > Paracelsus and beyond. > Hi Fred! > Can you point those of us who are not aware of this work to info. on the > WWW? > Thanks for a very interesting post. > > I will look and report back. The first place I would go is Borderland > Sciences: > > http://www.borderlands.com/index.htm > > There is a great deal of information here of interest to those who are > willing to go a little further out. > This file: > > ftp://bsrf-web:webuser@borderlands.com/hieronym.txt > > refers to the plant experiment that Hieronymus did. > > Here's an interesting experiment of Jerry Gallimore's. He thinks he's > detecting gravity waves, I think he is detecting this Odic energy. > > http://www.newphys.se/elektromagnum/physics/KeelyNet/gravity/galli1.asc > > Here's a good Reich page. Everyone in alternative science should know > about him! > > http://www.orgone.org/ > > Here's a brief description of Baron Von Reichenbach's research: > > http://diamondhead.net/chapt3.htm > > Not much on the list about him. Too bad, he was an amazing guy, the > inventor of creosote and other industrial materials and a through and > careful scientist. > > Hope this gets you started. You'll need to get to the bookstores and > libraries to dig in deep, of course I'm prejudiced because I own one :-) > > > Fred > > >    -- > --------- > Rob Dowse >     > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 12 12:30:53 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA20774; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 12:30:31 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 12:30:31 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711122029.MAA25090@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: X-Energy Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 00:07:19 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"uGGQs3.0.O45.a7XQq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1984 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Curtis! > > Okay, so it seems that piezoelectric may be a good starting point - for > conversion of EM to electricity, EM being drawn from Terran or atmospheric > sources. Well, if it was EM it would have been observed by all of those atmospheric and earth scientists. My point is that it is NOT EM, (at least in the current definition), and more importantly, it is NOT detectable by the usual EM instrumentation. Good for a start, but the problem is that i want to eventually > quantify the x-energy, be able to measure and manipulate it. Perhaps it is > beyond this form of identification, but you never know until you try. This has been my main focus of attention, and I believe I have a couple of designs that might work (only testing would show which is usable). List denizens know that I am not a builder, so these designs will be on little pieces of paper forever unless you or someone else builds them, and they are only rough sketches, but I think someone with electronic experience could build them readily. I think the most likely design would be based on the observed changes in the electrical properties of quartz when exposed to the X-energy. A man named Michael Ash in England in the 30's developed a detector of "radiasthetic" or dowsing energies using a design similar to an old crystal radio wave meter, with a small quartz bead as the detector. He reports: This instrument is a crystal radio wave meter of standard design, but with a coil shorter than that usually used in the reception of radio waves. The latest modification of this circuit is to earth one side of the crystal. When this detector is at critical distances from [human] bodies, passage of current is observed through the crystal as movement. When a quartz or suchlike crystal is moved through critical distances from bodies, it vibrates mechanically and this vibration can be felt, transmitted up a single metal contact or crystal holder. This observation that energy could be felt from a single contact onto the crystal, made it likely that the the energy generated by this detector is mechanical. Here you see several interesting principles at work: *the mechanical vibration of quartz when exposed to X-energy *the nodal patterns of energy around the body-- the auras *the earthing of the crystal increases the vibration BTW, The nodes discovered with this device were identical to those found with a dowsing pendulum. Not only does this passage imply a valuable detector of X-energy, it also implies the possibility of an overunity machine based on the same properties. For isn't it possible that these same standing waves of energy arise from the "earth body", as well? so the location of a crystal detector such as this above the earth at a certain distance would generate a continuous mechanical resonance which could easily be converted into electricity. > Regarding piezoelectrics, i had been on Tesla coil discussion groups in the > past, to obtain knowledge about resonant frequencies and possible anomalous > readings when operating a coil in certain ranges. The idea i had was to > possibly fabricate a coilform of sufficient size/turns to be resonant at a > very low frequency, say in the 4-10Hz range, the 'alpha sleep, theta sleep, > and supposed earth frequencies.' They all insisted that you would not want > to do this, but i was not trying to build a spark-generating coil so much > as a receiver, to test for Earth resonant fields of possibly usable EM > radiation. It is possible to tap the low-frequency EM waves of the earth for power. The intensity of the waves goes up as the frequency goes down, but unfortunately the total power density remains more or less the same, because the very long waves carry less energy. I think you are on the wrong track here, the energy you seek is at a fairly high frequency, and it is NOT electromagnetic (not to say that it won't affect EM components). It would probably show up in high-frequency experiments, but my hunch is in those where the capacitors are NOT discharged, i.e, not Tesla coils. Am planning on 'roughing out' one here in the next month or so, > can anybody send me some specs of height/diameter/# of turns? If this > experiment proves successful, i had planned to fabricate one with a quartz > core, to see if that changed anything, but once again i need to find the > resonant frequency of a cylinder of quartz crystal... Just doesn't seem to > be any information out there on these things. I have access to books that contain the formulas for calculating the resonances of quartz oscillators in any form, but I'm not convinced that such a large scale experiment is necessary, at least at first. Why not work with the cheap handy oscillator crystals until you find something that works? Or small natural quartz, which may have imperfections that allow the energy to be transmuted? Don't let the "Tesla Bigness Syndrome" get you :-) There is still much to be > learned, in my opinion, about inherent energy of crystalline structures and > their energy transmission characteristics. No question about it. But the key I think is in the mechanomotive power of the X-energy. There are many X-energy detectors based on the pendulum, the radiometer, etc. Reich built a small motor driven by orgone. It appears that X has a greater effect on matter than on EM energies. The thing that is special about the quartz is its high Q , its electrical conversion properties, and its ability to resonate in the range that the natural X energies seem to like. But what exactly IS that range? > P.S. Fred, you never said where this bookstore is... Bet it has some > interesting titles... Naah, I take all the good ones home :-) Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Nov 7 18:21:06 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA11473 for bilb@eskimo.com; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 18:21:01 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 18:21:01 -0800 (PST) X-Envelope-From: eachus@mitre.org Fri Nov 7 18:20:41 1997 Received: from mbunix.mitre.org (mbunix.mitre.org [129.83.20.100]) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA11362; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 18:20:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from spectre.mitre.org (spectre.mitre.org [129.83.61.124]) by mbunix.mitre.org (8.8.6/8.8.6/mitre.0) with ESMTP id VAA25030; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 21:20:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from blofeld (blofeld.mitre.org [129.83.63.79]) by spectre.mitre.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA10008; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 21:20:05 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971107212014.0099ba20@spectre.mitre.org> X-Sender: eachus@spectre.mitre.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Old-Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 21:20:14 -0500 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com From: "Robert I. Eachus" Subject: Re: SMOT & RMOG OU Proofs up Cc: vortex-l@eskimo.com, List Server Freenrg In-Reply-To: <345F99D3.FD1FEB53@microtronics.com.au> References: <199711041318.HAA00825@natasha.eden.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Diagnostic: Not on the accept list X-Envelope-To: freenrg-l Status: RO X-Status: At 08:25 AM 11/5/97 +1030, Greg Watson wrote: > Did the Wright Brothers become rich? Little or nothing to do with the topic, but yes they did. I'm sure Curtis-Wright has now been merged into some areospace giant, but they were building aircraft almost up to WWII, and built a lot of engines then. One of the brothers died relatively young, the other lived to a ripe old age. But I don't know if they collected much money from patents--they earned their money with design skills both of aircraft and engines. Robert I. Eachus with Standard_Disclaimer; use Standard_Disclaimer; function Message (Text: in Clever_Ideas) return Better_Ideas is... From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 12 13:38:30 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA21419; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:37:59 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:37:59 -0800 From: bpaddock@csonline.net (Bob Paddock) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Faster Than Light (Was DEAD LIST AGAIN?) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:28:07 -0500 Organization: is mostly via piles Reply-To: bpaddock@csonline.net Message-ID: References: <3.0.3.32.19971110175310.006a33ec@palacenet.net> In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19971110175310.006a33ec@palacenet.net> Lines: 20 Resent-Message-ID: <"8tVkt3.0.YE5.q6YQq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1985 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >Yet I did buy 5 Lb of #38 AWG magnet wire, to >try and duplicate some of the FTL experiments. I'm assuming that stand for Faster Than Light. I must have missed a thread some place? Any way check out "Transmit Radio Messages Faster Than Light: Non-TEM-mode radio waves have been transmitted faster than speed of light over wave guide and open air" by T. Koryu Ishii and George C. Giakos, Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering, Marquette University, Milwaukee, WI. In "Microwaves & RF" August 1991 page 114 to 118. The have lots of reverences to other papers of their's and a few others. For those that don't know this magazine is considered a 'main stream' type of magazine unlike the ones we typically talk about here on this list. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 12 13:41:56 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA29980; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:41:27 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:41:27 -0800 (PST) Old-X-Envelope-To: Message-ID: <346A1FB3.A9B08EEB@ctv.es> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 22:29:23 +0100 From: Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga Reply-To: vramos@ctv.es X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: PAGE UPDATED: FREE ENERGY TEST X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199711101954.LAA14047@germany.it.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"YehS62.0.LK7.5AYQq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1986 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dave Dameron wrote: > Hi Vincente, > At 04:36 PM 11/9/97 +0100, you wrote: > > If C1 is not equal to C2, because of manufacturing tolerances, then > the > final voltage will not = 1/2 of the initial voltage. That is V(end)= > V(start)*C1/(C1+C2). I tried it, then interchanged C1 and C2. As far > as I > can measure, taking the average, V(end) = V(start)/2. Could you please > > repeat your experiment with C1 and C2 switched. > -Dave Dave Sorry, I forgot answer you. Yes, if the caps are switched. Works at the same manner. Vicente. -- Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga E-mail: vramos@ctv.es Home Page: http://www.ctv.es/USERS/vramos/home.htm Burriana (Castellon) SPAIN From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 12 13:59:58 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA28456; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:59:28 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:59:28 -0800 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:59:15 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711122159.NAA24599@denmark.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, gwatson@microtronics.com.au From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: Rmog Mk3 Self Running Achieved Resent-Message-ID: <"_x-2f1.0.Oy6.-QYQq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1987 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hello Greg and all! At 08:52 AM 11/4/97 +1030, you wrote: >> >I believe the design will be able to be retro fitted to the 3 existing >> >Rmod Mk1 units I know about. Please wait for me to finish my testing >> >before you start modifying your existing units. >> > >> >What say you, Rmog Mk1 builders? I have finished my RMOG, Mk3 (12 Flux gates, 2 exciting coils) and so far have not gotten it to work in self powered mode. In the next few days, I will try adjusting the overlap of the fluxgates with the magnets/coils. Now the edges just line up with no overlap. I am using Neodym magnets. My coils have 600 turns each, which makes the coil outer diameter about 16 mm outer diameter. When I spin the rotor 100-200 rpm, I see an induced voltage of about 0.7Volts, p-p, not enough to overcome a diode drop at that speed. Can you, Greg, say how many turns your RMOG Mk3 used? Adding more layers may distort the field from just the coil ferrite poles, as it increases the coil outer diameter. >I can get Motor action with as little as 1.2v. > As a motor, mine will now run on a single NiCd battery to power the coils. A higher voltage is used, of course, to drive the amp/ Mosfet gate. It will run either direction. It really "hums" at higher voltages. I first thought the exciting coil current will disrupt the sense coil voltage on the same stator, but the polarities are OK. If one is switched, a HF feedback oscillator results. Greg, since yours will run self-powered, have you tried it with only a diode (No Mosfet)? Since the drive coils can have the same polarity as the sense winding, turning on the drive coils at a + polarity is the same as turning on the Mosfet when the semse coil is +. This requires a diode and NO other electronics, polarized so current flows only when a fluxgate approaches. I tried it with a Schottky diode with no obvious improvement. But, please see my comment on number of turns/ induced voltage above. Of course the motor function is disabled, but no other supply is required. -Dave p.s. Please keep your updates, web page, etc. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 12 14:02:03 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA29498; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 14:01:42 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 14:01:42 -0800 Message-ID: <346A273E.89FD714B@psu.edu> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 17:01:34 -0500 From: Scott Peterson Reply-To: sdp127@psu.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: I just might have Free Energy! No Pollution! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Y9E-w2.0.KC7.2TYQq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1988 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: apparently this idea of an air powered motor has occured before... I came upon this page while researching a paper on technology suppression. I've also looked up about half of these Patent #'s and they are there. http://www.real.net.au/music/Bands/insurge/politics/energy/energy_essay.html Anyone out there have this book? > Much of this list is borrowed heavily from the book SUPPRESSED INVENTIONS AND > OTHER DISCOVERIES by Brian O'Leary, Christopher Bird, Jeane Manning, and Barry > Lynes, Auckland Institute of Technology Press, Private bag 92006, Auckland, > New Zealand. ISBN No 0-9583334-7-5. Along with references noted. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 12 14:09:22 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA00530; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 14:09:02 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 14:09:02 -0800 X-Sender: rmuha@mail Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.3.32.19971110175310.006a33ec@palacenet.net> <3.0.3.32.19971110175310.006a33ec@palacenet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 17:08:02 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: ralph muha Subject: Re: Faster Than Light (Was DEAD LIST AGAIN?) Resent-Message-ID: <"wZL5b.0.q7.wZYQq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1989 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Bob Paddock wrote: >Any way check out "Transmit Radio Messages Faster Than >Light: Non-TEM-mode radio waves have been transmitted >faster than speed of light over wave guide and open air" by T. >Koryu Ishii and George C. Giakos, Department of Electrical >and Computer Engineering, Marquette University, Milwaukee, >WI. In "Microwaves & RF" August 1991 page 114 to 118. see http://www.biomed.uakron.edu/users/giakos/publish.html 9. G.C. Giakos, " Engineering and Physical Concepts of the Wave Permittivity", Advanced Microwave and Millimetr Wave Detectors Conference, Proc. SPIE International Symposium in Optics, Imaging and Instrumention, San Diego, pp 259-270, 1994. 10. G.C. Giakos and T.K. Ishii, "Detection of Longitudinal Electromagnetic Fields in Air", Microwave Optical Technology Letters, pp. 283-287,1993. 11. G.C. Giakos, "Rapid Microwaves in Open Space", Abstract Session, Sigma Xi, Marquette University Chapter, August 1991. 12. G.C. Giakos and T.K. Ishii, "Recharacterizing Non-TEM Mode Propagation", Proc. of the IEEE APS-URSI International Symposium, July 18-25 1992, Chicago, IL. 13. G.C. Giakos and T.K. Ishii, "Time Domain Study of Anomalous Microwave Propagation", IEEE APS-URSI International Symposium, July 18-25 1992, Chicago, IL. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 12 14:17:18 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA03719; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 14:17:00 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 14:17:00 -0800 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:16:44 +1100 Message-Id: <199711122216.JAA07107@nornet.nor.com.au> X-Sender: openway@pophost.nor.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Peter Nielsen Subject: Re: Fred's New Age Trip (wow, man..) Resent-Message-ID: <"qOF2B2.0.wv.PhYQq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1990 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Warning: philosophical content. >Even though these were people with great skills, talent, and enthusiasm, >and not all of them were afflicted with the inventor's disease >(paranoia, secrecy, megalomania, etc.) nonetheless I saw these projects >historically had failed over and over. > To save on wasted effort, it's also valuable to know what _doesn't_ work, and, more importantly, understand why. >I could only conclude that they had >failed because these ideas do not work. > Maybe, in some cases, but there is only so much one person can do, and make a living at the same time. It is this inertia that we are presumeably trying to overcome by subscribing to this list. Unfortunately, for the most part, its intellectual resources have not been brought to bear in a systematic way. This is why history repeats itself, and window shoppers are endless titillated. Given funds and technical resources, and I believe I can have a working FE energy device running in six months. The principle has been corfirmed by several independent researchers, who have given advice for initial tests. Certain details have already been published on this list. The rest must wait unitil the support arrives. >Logically then, if one accepts that even one of these devices worked, then >one also accepts the existence of an unknown energy, an X-energy > Yes, the conceptual basis is critical. The list's attention has been routinely diverted to unproductive areas. While I don't doubt your intentions, Fred, you have initiated your fair share of wild goose chases. Hopefully, others will not have to travel those same roads in the future. Now you have apparently come to the very conclusion I always tried to convey to you. So, is the party over, or just begining? >The answer was in the crystals all along! Now where did I >put my guidebook to Sedona vortex spots.. ;-) > >Fred > You mean a crystal represents an extra-dimensional path of energy conservation based upon transmitted resonance? Peter Nielsen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 12 14:55:18 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA15469; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 14:55:03 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 14:55:03 -0800 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:54:53 +1100 Message-Id: <199711122254.JAA09154@nornet.nor.com.au> X-Sender: openway@pophost.nor.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Peter Nielsen Subject: Re: X-Energy Resent-Message-ID: <"-vx-i.0.cn3.6FZQq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1991 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >No question about it. But the key I think is in the mechanomotive power of >the X-energy. There are many X-energy detectors based on the pendulum, the >radiometer, etc. Reich built a small motor driven by orgone. It appears >that X has a greater effect on matter than on EM energies. The thing that >is special about the quartz is its high Q , its electrical conversion >properties, and its ability to resonate in the range that the natural X >energies seem to like. But what exactly IS that range? > >Fred > Looks like we're dancing around the maypole again. Any resonating object in a scalar field will energetically superpose with that field. It is the inverse function of its physical manifestation (form). The frequency is only important relative to practical implementation of the device. For solid state, you need such mechanical resonance, plus a mobilization of electrons that is perpetuated by influx of virtual particles. Piezoceramics fill both of these criteria. Peter Nielsen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 12 15:47:19 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA22879; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 15:46:43 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 15:46:43 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711122345.PAA21619@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: Scientific Channeling WAS X-Energy Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 03:42:35 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"09pF23.0.Jb5.V_ZQq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1992 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Lee, Well, to butt in here, I think Rick's point is that the only historical document that records Atlantis BY NAME is the work by Plato. The writings of Edgar Cayce are the original source for the crystal energy ideas. These writings being of course transcriptions of trance mediumship sessions. I have a lot of respect for Cayce, he healed a lot of people with his readings, and I've successfully used some of his health ideas myself. On the other hand, like many other psychics, he predicted massive earth changes in the current time period, which have not occurred. He was by no means infallible... but who is? The point that interests me in this is the use of intuitive material in scientific research. Having been a channeler, and also having some experience with dowsing, my view is this: Intuitive information can be extremely useful in scientific work IF: It is crosschecked by using several psychics working independently (this is how the US government runs their programs.) It is verifiable by testing or research. If it is not verifiable it is USELESS. This means it must be specific and detailed enough to be verifiable. It is not casually mixed into other material without regard to sources. Like ANY source of information, it should not be taken on faith. Unfortunately the social context of intuitive information usually leads to two opposite problems: it is either completely denied as a useful source of information by the sceptics, OR it is turned into hallowed writ by those who are impressed by the source. Ironically the sceptics are less of a problem because theirs is a minority view, since it requires a tremendous effort of will and intelligence to BLOCK OUT this sort of intuitive awareness, and only highly trained scientific types have educated themselves to think in this way. The problem is with the true believers who are willing to accept any channeling or psychic information as accurate. It is very hard to do this stuff well. That's why I got out of it, I wasn't satisfied with the quality of information I was purveying. The groups and people I channeled for accepted all I said as if it were perfect and true! And I knew I was screwing up... Fred > Back in the 60's when I was an active member of the Rosicrucians > (AMORC), I was very interested in Atlantis. I went to their library in > San Jose California and told the Librarian that I wanted to check out > all the books on Atlantis. > She smiled and said "that's a tall order, we have over a thousand of > them". Needless to say, I never did read them all nor do I remember any > of the titles today. The regular libraries may have a few, but if you > have a metaphysical library in your area, you should be able to find a > bunch. Happy hunting. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 12 16:31:52 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA01000; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:31:36 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:31:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <346A3BAE.28539FD0@pavilion.co.uk> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 00:29:20 +0100 From: Rob Dowse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: OZ4 Cold-Cathode data X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <3.0.1.32.19971112094230.00c63880@palacenet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"WNcVi.0.WF.afaQq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1993 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Jack DeMule wrote: > > Hi Michael, all.... > > At 09:36 11/12/97 -0600, Michael C Slivinski wrote: > >Just wanted to make mention, regarding Morays tube without a cathode > was > >thought to be filled with unique gases and operated similar to a > cathode > >tube.. > > The OZ4 rectifier tube, used in 50-60's vintage car radio > power supplies worked like a heated cathode tube...but it > has no heater. The cathode is heated only by ionic > bombardment. There is a gas contained in the tube to > provide the ions. The gas (argon?) also modifies other > characteristics as expected. > > I've heard stories that Mornay used radium in his tubes. > Maybe in order to keep the gas ionized? > > Best Regards, the tubular, > JD > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > And I says "Tell me I'm wrong" and he says "I can't baby, > 'cause you're not!" -TEMBWBAM > > mules@palacenet.net > ---------------------------------------------------------- Hi All, OZ4 (equivalent = CV517) are available mail order for arround £3 each. They have an oxide coating (of what??) that is initially heated by ion bombardment; this flow of I heats the cathode enabling it to emmit electrons in the usual way...(Radio Designers Handbook, Langford-Smith 1953) Rissik (Rectification of AC Currents 1938) talks about cold cathode operation, 100-1000Kv volts/cm electric field on a room temperature cathode shaped like a needle and an anode voltage between 1-10Kv. Electron emmission increases exponetially with cathode field voltage. The microscopic irregularities on the cathode's surface plays an important role in determining the true intensity of the field. In 1928 Fowler and Nordheim first interpreted the phenomenon. Secondary emmission effects may also play a role as they are evident at only 20 volts! Any other data out there? Hope this is useful. -- --------- Rob Dowse From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 12 16:36:32 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA07436; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:36:08 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:36:08 -0800 From: MFergerson@aol.com Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 19:35:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971112191003_1079989137@mrin54.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: X-Energy Resent-Message-ID: <"PYz1u2.0.zp1.sjaQq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1994 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: R. Conroy wrote: > Apparently the normal earth frequency and the frequency of human brain >waves are approximately on the same wave frequency. According to a guest on the Art Bell radio program, the Earth resonance frequency has been slowly rising of late. I don't know if there's been a corresponding change in the average alpha wave frequency. Just thought I'd throw that in. Re: crystal power, Hieronymus, Reich et al, we all here are definitely NOT looking under the lamp, so something a bit outre shouldn't bother us, as long as it is replicable. I personally have fooled around with Hieronymus-based (Drown and others) devices quite a bit, and have gotten some weird results. I was never quite happy with his spiral coil antenna, because design equations for them are far and few between. The darn thing DOES look like some kind of scalar tech, though; has anyone (Fepps, maybe?) had any success marrying his basic circuit to a different antenna type (caduceus, bifilar, toroid, Bearden magnet-cored coil, whatever)? Speaking of crystals, a few years back I saw an article in Scientific American about particle-beam channeling in quartz along certain directions. Has anyone else seen this? I lost the original, and can't even remember the year. I saw (don't laugh, the lamp is WAY over there on this subject) the Star Trek: Next Generation Tech Manual drawing of the matter-antimatter reactor and Shazam! particle-antiparticle annihilation taking place in solid matter without destroying it! No, I am not proposing somebody swipe a few micrograms of antiprotons and TRY it, but consider a beam of nice, ordinary protons sent down the optical axis of a large piece of quartz. Apply a signal to the electrical axes, would you get a solid-state accelerator? On the free-energy question, quartz is an excellent transducer, nearly lossless with good, careful, design, but what we have, basically, is a s**tload of conducting parallel planes very close together (with controllable variable spacing, no less). Every time I see the words "Casimir Effect" this tries to come together, no luck so far. Anyone else see the connection I can't? Somebody mentioned a few months back that I shouldn't be shy about tossing my wild ideas out, so remember, you asked for it. Mark From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 12 16:38:11 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA07876; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:37:59 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:37:59 -0800 Message-Id: <199711130037.QAA11936@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: X-Energy Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 04:03:40 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"zeugQ1.0.zw1.claQq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1995 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Peter! > > >No question about it. But the key I think is in the mechanomotive power of > >the X-energy. There are many X-energy detectors based on the pendulum, the > >radiometer, etc. Reich built a small motor driven by orgone. It appears > >that X has a greater effect on matter than on EM energies. The thing that > >is special about the quartz is its high Q , its electrical conversion > >properties, and its ability to resonate in the range that the natural X > >energies seem to like. But what exactly IS that range? > > > >Fred > > > > Looks like we're dancing around the maypole again. Any resonating object in > a scalar field will energetically superpose with that field. The word "scalar" is making an assumption about the nature of the energy that I'm not willing to make. It is associated with a certain school of thought, and a certain set of assumptions about the energy will behave. The experimental evidence from that school is limited (Bob Shannon being the only example that comes to mind). But I quibble. Call it 'scalar' if you like, but only if the engineering definition of 'scalar' extends to an energy that can creep like heat, flow like current and shine like light. It is the > inverse function of its physical manifestation (form). If you mean by this that each physical form has a corresponding X analog, a ghost form, I agree with you. The frequency is only > important relative to practical implementation of the device. I disagree. If the X energy is part of nature, then like all other natural wave phenomena it will have preferred resonance points. They may vary over time within certain ranges (Moray had to tune his radiant energy machine each time he used it). For solid > state, you need such mechanical resonance, plus a mobilization of electrons > that is perpetuated by influx of virtual particles. Piezoceramics fill both > of these criteria. > Total agreement there. It is only in the last few days that I have seen how your Barium Titanate-based device fits into my research. As you know, I had thought of it as parametric before. It is only lately that I realized that it is a "crystal-based radiant energy reciever" (I recognize that you would not use those words). Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 12 16:38:27 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA07960; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:38:16 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:38:16 -0800 Message-Id: <199711130037.QAA11439@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: Fred's New Age Trip (wow, man..) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 04:36:09 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Q5ZVN3.0.Fy1.slaQq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1996 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi again Peter! > > >Even though these were people with great skills, talent, and enthusiasm, > >and not all of them were afflicted with the inventor's disease > >(paranoia, secrecy, megalomania, etc.) nonetheless I saw these projects > >historically had failed over and over. > > > > To save on wasted effort, it's also valuable to know what _doesn't_ work, > and, more importantly, understand why. Agreed. > > >I could only conclude that they had > >failed because these ideas do not work. > > > > Maybe, in some cases, but there is only so much one person can do, and make > a living at the same time. It is this inertia that we are presumeably trying > to overcome by subscribing to this list. It appears that a great deal of human ingenuity and energy is expended on approaches that have been tried over and over. One probably reason why this happens is embarassment. To give an example: I have in my files at least 6 attempts to build a flux-swtich alternator a la Ecklin. Each one ended in failure. The first attempt that I know of that was reported fully, including its failure, was the machine built by Stefan Hartmann and his group. By reporting their failure completely and honestly, they have hopefully put an end to further wasted effort. People try these things and when they don't work they just shut up and change the subject. This is human nature, but an effort to overcome the natural tendency to hide failures would greatly increase our progress. Unfortunately, for the most part, > its intellectual resources have not been brought to bear in a systematic > way. This is why history repeats itself, and window shoppers are endless > titillated. Well, such an attempt would either have to be done on a fascist basis or a democratic one. Either one powerful person must galvanize the list behind their conception through excellent propaganda, and we all work together, like something from a social realist painting, to make it happen, OR the list as a whole democratically decides by some sort of popular vote to support certain projects and get them completed. The first option is unpalatable, and the second is unlikely-- but possible...... > > Given funds and technical resources, and I believe I can have a working FE > energy device running in six months. The principle has been corfirmed by > several independent researchers, who have given advice for initial tests. > Certain details have already been published on this list. The rest must wait > unitil the support arrives. Your idea is admittedly a good one, and getting better in my eyes all the time. But I think you gain support for your ideas one person at a time, like with me. Most people, especially those who contribute funds would reasonably expect a full disclosure of the operation of the device. I understand your frustration very well, having seen many of my ideas go back in the drawer for lack of interest. Of course, in my case, most of them should have stayed there :-) > > >Logically then, if one accepts that even one of these devices worked, then > >one also accepts the existence of an unknown energy, an X-energy > > Yes, the conceptual basis is critical. The list's attention has been > routinely diverted to unproductive areas. While I don't doubt your > intentions, Fred, you have initiated your fair share of wild goose chases. No doubt...following the wild geese that came before... > Hopefully, others will not have to travel those same roads in the future. When researchers document their failures as well as they do their successes, and when young (well, sorta young) researchers like myself can see lab reports of tests with these failed ideas and can draw our own conclusions, then the "get a clue" road will be closed. I didn't waste a minute more time on the Adams motor once I read George Hathaway's report on it. > > Now you have apparently come to the very conclusion I always tried to convey > to you. So, is the party over, or just begining? haven't even baked the cake yet. > > >The answer was in the crystals all along! Now where did I > >put my guidebook to Sedona vortex spots.. ;-) > > > >Fred > > > > You mean a crystal represents an extra-dimensional path of energy > conservation based upon transmitted resonance? Uh, right.... what you said :-) Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 12 16:58:42 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA05919; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:57:42 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:57:42 -0800 (PST) From: RoConroy@aol.com Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 19:51:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971112195121_-556787431@mrin44.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: X-Energy Resent-Message-ID: <"qS75R2.0.OS1._1bQq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1997 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: In a message dated 97-11-12 14:39:47 EST, Rick,you write: << Are there any other bona fide sources on Atlantis besides Plato? I don't remember anything about a crystal in "Timothy & Critias". >> I can't really say that Plato could even be considered a bona fide source. I have read conjecture somewhere that Plato, like possibly Shakespeare, wasn't one man but several. I think I also remember reading about the crystal in a paper back about Edgar Casey. The other day while changing channels I noticed the Atlantis crystal was in a TV cartoon. I didn't watch the cartoon or I could have found out how the crystal was used. Bob From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 12 17:48:32 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA22816; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 17:48:21 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 17:48:21 -0800 Message-Id: <199711130148.RAA24809@mailtod-122.bryant.webtv.net> From: leelouden@webtv.net (Lee Louden) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 17:48:07 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Scientific Channeling WAS X-Energy Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"iXUk82.0.Ka5.anbQq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1998 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I agree with all you said Fred, I have been into metaphysics as long as I have been into engineering, 40 years. I have probably read all or almost all of the Cayce books too. It seems to be more important than ever that we use our intuition in pioneering new areas of technology; in my opinion that's what seperates the real geniuses from the academics. The genius gets a hunch and develops it no matter in what strange directions it may seem to lead. The academic has to go by-the-book and never comes up with anything really new. I never realized how much I had been using my intuition in my work until 1975 when I was teaching electronic drafting in an adult rehab center. I was giving a talk one day when a student asked me how I knew what I knew. I opened my mouth to answer and quickly shut it again when I realized I didn't have a good answer to that question. Since we are on this subject, I'll share a trick I have learned. 10 years ago I took a class in Dowsing and have been using that skill ever since. Dowsing is not just for finding water or something underground it can be used for finding knowledge (information) as well. One of my other interests is writing historical novels. I use dowsing techniques to determine my basic historical facts and then I go down to the library and find the verification. It works an amazing amount of the time. It is like anything else, the more you use it the better you get at it. This works equally well for engineering technology. I feel that what we are on the path to, here on this page, is the rediscovery of the technology of the ancients. We have, until recently, assumed that the ancients had no high technology because we have found no artifacts that we recognized as technological. What is unfolding now is that the ancients did have high technology but it was very different than ours. They didn't have to manufacture hundreds of thousands of various components to build things with because they had a natural understanding of the Earth's energies and the energy that is in the space all around us. Pretty exciting stuff, I think. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 12 17:51:02 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA23404; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 17:50:48 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 17:50:48 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971112194932.0073add0@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 19:49:32 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: Re: OZ4 Cold-Cathode data In-Reply-To: <346A3BAE.28539FD0@pavilion.co.uk> References: <3.0.1.32.19971112094230.00c63880@palacenet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id RAA23336 Resent-Message-ID: <"SbVTh.0.Wj5.spbQq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1999 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Rob, All... Thanks for the info! At 00:29 11/13/97 +0100, Rob Dowse wrote: >OZ4 (equivalent = CV517) are available mail order for arround £3 each. They >have an oxide coating (of what??) that is initially heated by ion bombardment; I'm pretty sure it's an oxide coated cathode, usually that's a mixture of barium and strontium (sometimes calcium) carbonate. It may be a dispenser type cathode, I don't recall, possibly of the matrix type (a compressed mix of alkaline earth carbonates, and powdered nickel.) Best Regards, JD ---------------------------------------------------------- And I says "Tell me I'm wrong" and he says "I can't baby, 'cause you're not!" -TEMBWBAM mules@palacenet.net ---------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 12 18:10:23 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA17085; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 18:09:32 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 18:09:32 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199711122029.MAA25090@mail1.halcyon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 15:53:23 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: X-Energy Resent-Message-ID: <"mzMLa.0.rA4.M5cQq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2000 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: These speculations about energy in crystals, anomalous forms of energy, earth energy, "scalar", etc., might get a nice boost from some fairly easy experiments you can read about at: http://www.soteria.com/brown/docs/docs.htm#petro1 That's T.T. Brown's petrovoltaics page. Take a look at the graphs of daily activity and the possible connection between the orientation of the rocks and the position and distance of celestial bodies. Very interesting. I've got a nice core sample of that Koolau Series basalt right here by my desk, ready to wire up. Wish I had one of those cheap ADB port data boards for Macintosh. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 12 18:34:18 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA21831; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 18:34:00 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 18:34:00 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711130233.SAA25350@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: Fred Epps...come on down. Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 04:52:31 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Default Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"y7ha33.0._K5.MScQq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2001 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Sonjalene! Yes, I have heard this idea before. I have even seen cutaway drawings of how the Ark was made. I have also seen instructions on how to make and use a breastplate of Aaron as what in the context of this list would be called a communication device. It appears to be an idea that has been in wide circulation for a while. My opinion? I don't really have one. Like most historical topics it is unverifiable by my experience. If I was to venture a guess that will drive both scientists and religionists wild, I would say it is quite likely, because after all Jehovah was an ET and was likely to know how to build these things... Fred > > Have you ever considered that the information (crystal) might be found by > looking at the detailed instructions given in the Bible for the construction > of the +ACI-Ark of the Covenant+ACI-? Perhaps this seems too far out for some but > factually, we can be cer-tain of a few things about it.......It is a high > tech communication device......messages From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 12 18:51:36 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA03469; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 18:49:23 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 18:49:23 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971113102623.0070df10@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> X-Sender: jwinter@cyllene.uwa.edu.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:26:23 +0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: John Winterflood Subject: Re: Electrogravity - ELPEX V2.0 design and tests In-Reply-To: <971112083211_-2078686581@mrin79> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"_aRCj1.0.0s.ngcQq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2002 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Jean-Louis Naudin wrote: > >I have updated my web site with the new design of the Patrick Cornille's >electrostatic pendulum, this new enhanced device give us a 39mm deviation and >strong oscillations. > >You will find all pictures and diagram at : >http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/jlnaudin/html/elpex20.htm > >I hope that this will interest you, > Dear Jean-Luis, Your experimental efforts are incredible. I wonder how you get the time and how you can also make a living! But please - I don't think ionic wind effects are at all interesting from an O/U point of view. Do you think you could put stiff plastic bag around the balls or something to catch ionic wind and include it within the black box that is supposed to accelerate anomalously? It may be necessary to spray the bag with some conductive coating to prevent static build up and maybe insulate the wires where they pass through the bag. Maybe one of those antistatic bags used for electronic circuit boards would be good or even a metalized one. But even with an ordinary plastic bag you would begin to find out whether ionic wind is part of the phenomenon or not. Maybe just holding a candle on the thrusting side to see if the flame is deflected at all by wind currents. The Bifield-Brown effect is EXTREMELY interesting if it exists - it is in direct contradiction with conventional physics. Ionic wind effects are NOT interesting. Please try to separate the two effects. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 12 19:07:44 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA06918; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 19:07:28 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 19:07:28 -0800 X-Sender: richarda@mailhub.icx.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19971112133152.007050fc@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 12:59:39 -0400 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Richard Austin Subject: Re: megalith transport, pyramid building Resent-Message-ID: <"nko8f2.0.zh1.jxcQq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2003 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: According to the Emerald Tablets (Sumerian document many thousands of years old) the great pyramid of Giza was built by one man (Thoth) in 3 days using supernormal Christ-like powers. Richard Austin -- email: richarda@icx.net -- radio: KG7SU Check out the Institute for Planetary Renewal at http://user.icx.net/~richarda From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 12 20:28:00 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA06396; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 20:27:43 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 20:27:43 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971113000236.008aeea0@cnct.com> X-Sender: knagel@cnct.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 00:02:40 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Keith Nagel Subject: Re: Faster Than Light (Was DEAD LIST AGAIN?) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"QNgs-.0.qZ1.z6eQq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2004 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Greetings : Shortly after reading Ishii's article in Microwaves and RF, I had occasion to visit Wisconsin for a cousins wedding. As an uncle of mine is a prof. in the University of Wis. system, he was able to arrange a meeting for me. Unfortunately, the man was hardly what I would call congenial; in fact he seemed quite stiff despite the fact that I was familiar with his work and thought there might be something to it. Basically, his experiments revolve about some studies done with microwave plumbing launching TE or TM type waves into free space, he purports to measure the group velocity with a diode type detector. As everyone knows, it's no trick to get any relation of wavelength to frequency one desires in such cavities. This is by no means FTL. At the time, I suggested to him that in order to really nail the effect down he was going to have to measure the actual waves, and not the envelope that the diode was detecting. Towards this end, I suggested using 55gal cans as waveguide tubing, which can be excited to lowest order TE modes at about 300Mhz, measurable with a decent scope. Same circuit, only !larger! so you can measure it accurately. I doubt he took this advice, but having a mess of cans around at the time and some free time, I put such a circuit together. It was quite amusing actually, like playing with those huge tinker toys they used to sell. BTW, the difficult part was getting the cans together with good electrical contact. They were coated with some sort of super tough enamel to resist the toxic crap that would have been stored in them. Anyway, I measured the actual group velocity both inside the waveguide ( where the TE wave was several times the speed of C ) and outside. Neither showed any anomaly. The detector was a quarter wave antenna using a CT1 or CT2 current probe to measure base current. A pair of these led to the scope, which measured the time difference between the arrival of the first half cycle. In all instances of group velocity measure I recorded C as the velocity %^( I'll stress here that there may still be something to this; just that the initial work I did stuck to standard theory. I'll leave it to you to figure out my reasons; suffice it to say there is nothing out of the ordinary in generating longitudinal electric OR magnetic waves in cavities. Any good RF textbook will show you this. What this may mean is another matter entirely. As regards Milne, please forgive me, but I'd advice passing this one by. If someone ( jack? ) continues the posts in this direction, I'd be happy to relate my experience with the man and some very ordinary explanations of those experiments. The article from that popular electronics magazine should provide anyone with those answers. Keith Pursuant to USC 47, there is a $500 per incident charge for each and every piece of Unsolicited Steven Segal Video(USSV) sent to this or any of my other addresses. Sending USSV's to any of my addresses implys general acceptance of these terms. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 12 20:48:36 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA24180; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 20:48:25 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 20:48:25 -0800 Message-Id: <199711130448.UAA20571@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: X-Energy Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 07:39:32 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"okN3L3.0.iv5.NQeQq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2005 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Rick! > > These speculations about energy in crystals, anomalous forms of energy, > earth energy, "scalar", etc., might get a nice boost from some fairly easy > experiments you can read about at: > > http://www.soteria.com/brown/docs/docs.htm#petro1 > > That's T.T. Brown's petrovoltaics page. Take a look at the graphs of daily > activity and the possible connection between the orientation of the rocks > and the position and distance of celestial bodies. Very interesting. I've > got a nice core sample of that Koolau Series basalt right here by my desk, > ready to wire up. Wish I had one of those cheap ADB port data boards for > Macintosh. I agree, a very good place to start. I don't have the notebooks of T.T. Brown but I do have some excerpts that detail the experimental procedure he used. (Like how he connected the rocks to electrodes, etc.) if you need some more info. Experiments along this line would be especially useful if they could be conducted with a very similar rock in another location far away from yours. It would be interesting to see whether the readings would correlate and whether there was a time lag between one and the other if they did. Brown also did these experiments with "artificial rocks" consisting of a diode, a high-K capacitor and a resistor. He used an electrolytic capacitor at the time. It seems that now it would be more interesting to do the "artificial" version with a rock-like ceramic (Barium Titanate) capacitor, especially since John Hutchison has had success with a "perpetual battery" composed of a rock-like mixture of BaTiO3 and some other proprietary substances (he used to make the stuff in his sink :-). T.T Brown, like Gallimore and Hodowanec in similar experiments believed that he was detecting and rectifying the side efects of gravity waves, one reason being that the more massive the rock or the capacitor, the greater the effect. But to me that would be true no matter what the radiation that was being picked up, just because of the increased volume in the way of the radiation. Brown also believed the gravity waves were broad spectrum because the variations in charge in the rocks over time were different with each rock, as if each rock was acting as an antenna for a different, separately variable spectra of the signal. I was thinking about trying it with a whole bunch of cheap ceramic capacitors in series and parallel with diodes on the outside edges to get the increased volume. Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 12 20:48:54 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA24273; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 20:48:39 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 20:48:39 -0800 Message-Id: <199711130448.UAA20738@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: Scientific Channeling WAS X-Energy Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 08:08:24 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01BCF00B.503FDB80" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Zm0wu.0.1x5.bQeQq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2006 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01BCF00B.503FDB80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Lee! > I agree with all you said Fred, > > I have been into metaphysics as long as I have been into engineering, 40 > years. I have probably read all or almost all of the Cayce books too. > It seems to be more important than ever that we use our intuition in > pioneering new areas of technology; in my opinion that's what seperates > the real geniuses from the academics. The genius gets a hunch and > develops it no matter in what strange directions it may seem to lead. > The academic has to go by-the-book and never comes up with anything > really new. Yes, the test of reality is always there to separate the truth from the fiction. It is unnecessary to have a body of "priests of the law" when nature is quite capable of laying down the law all on her own. I think it needs to be said that I have had fantastic hunches in the stereotypical "middle of the night" kind of way that went nowhere, and I have had painfully, logically worked out ideas that were very fruitful. ONLY by their fruits shall you know them! It is the balance between the two aspects of thinking, tritely called left and right brain, that gets you somewhere. > Since we are on this subject, I'll share a trick I have learned. 10 > years ago I took a class in Dowsing and have been using that skill ever > since. Dowsing is not just for finding water or something underground it > can be used for finding knowledge (information) as well. One of my other > interests is writing historical novels. I use dowsing techniques to > determine my basic historical facts and then I go down to the library > and find the verification. It works an amazing amount of the time. It is > like anything else, the more you use it the better you get at it. This > works equally well for engineering technology. My wife is an excellent dowser (using the pendulum) who I sometimes persuade (con) into helping me with inventions. The first time I did this, the objective I decided upon was "give me the free energy device with the least number of components". We established the number of parts it had. Then my wife dowsed a large electronics catalog, first by section, then by page, until we had established the parts. Then we dowsed the connections between the parts. It was time-consuming, but interesting. The result is the circuit shown in the gif. I call it the "Earth Power Device". This is drawn exactly as the pendulum "described". At the time the circuit made no sense to me. I figured we had got it wrong. As time has passed it makes more sense. I've never built it. It seems appropriate to describe it now, because it relates to our current discussion of crystal energy and such. > > I feel that what we are on the path to, here on this page, is the > rediscovery of the technology of the ancients. We have, until recently, > assumed that the ancients had no high technology because we have found > no artifacts that we recognized as technological. What is unfolding now > is that the ancients did have high technology but it was very different > than ours. They didn't have to manufacture hundreds of thousands of > various components to build things with because they had a natural > understanding of the Earth's energies and the energy that is in the > space all around us. Correct. I think most of the technology was in their minds. Much like radionics machines now, the material object (the megalith or pyramid) served primarily as a framework or memnonic device for energies of thought, although there is no question that specific shapes like pyramids, cones, etc. act to cohere some kind of naturally occuring energy. > > Pretty exciting stuff, I think. Absolutely! Thanks for your comments, Lee! 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X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"4sNOJ2.0.Sx5.fQeQq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2007 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Mark! > > > Apparently the normal earth frequency and the frequency of human brain > >waves are approximately on the same wave frequency. Yes, there is a close relation. > > According to a guest on the Art Bell radio program, the Earth resonance > frequency has been slowly rising of late. I don't know if there's been a > corresponding change in the average alpha wave frequency. Just thought I'd > throw that in. Yes, I've heard that too, but I've never seen any measurements to verify it. As John Schnurer discussed a while back it is no easy matter to make measurements of these very low frequencies. I suspect the idea that they are rising is from channeled material and has been mislabelled as experimental data. It may well be true. > > Re: crystal power, Hieronymus, Reich et al, we all here are definitely NOT > looking under the lamp, so something a bit outre shouldn't bother us, as long > as it is replicable. Well, that's the way it should be, but nobody was really talking about this kind of stuff. I personally have fooled around with Hieronymus-based > (Drown and others) devices quite a bit, and have gotten some weird results. Aha! Someone who has actually used these things! You're going to have to tell more..what do you mean by weird results? I want to hear it all, the good, bad, and ugly. Drown came before Hieronymus BTW. > was never quite happy with his spiral coil antenna, because design equations > for them are far and few between. Yes, its the lack of quantifiable parameters that keeps a lot of people away from this area. The only way to test if you are getting good results is if it works. That's like measuring the output of a radio station by calling up George in the next county and asking how he is hearing you :-) That's why I am pushing for a reliable detector that doesn't require human interaction, like a stick plate or a dowsing rod. The research by Ash I mentioned earlier seems like a good start. Since you are familiar with the Hieronymus machine, I'll put it in terms of that. Suppose the electrode that is exposed to the movable prism is replaced by a small bead of quartz that is part of a tuned circuit. According to Ash's research, there is good chance that it will go out of resonance at the same points of prism movement as when the plate sticks. This is important, because the progress of this technology has been severely limited by the fact that it requires this fallible human reaction. I will be scanning this article next weekend, so if anyone wants to look into this let me know and I will send them the article. The darn thing DOES look like some kind of > scalar tech, though; has anyone (Fepps, maybe?) had any success marrying his > basic circuit to a different antenna type (caduceus, bifilar, toroid, Bearden > magnet-cored coil, whatever)? Yes it does look like scalar tech, but there are important differences. For one thing, a helical coil with no light source will have effects. Some people say that even a spiral drawn on a piece of paper (especially a fibonnacci spiral) increases the sixe of the human energy field. I wouldn't suggest curing cancer with a drawing, well not until we figure out the right drawing :-) You have to stretch the definition of scalar pretty far to cover all of those results. Of course, the results are open to question, too. And no, I haven't done any experiments as yet, aside from my experiences with dowsing. consider a beam of nice, ordinary > protons sent down the optical axis of a large piece of quartz. Apply a signal > to the electrical axes, would you get a solid-state accelerator? Have no idea on that one. I know there are ceramics called ionic conductors that will pass large ions of certain types freely. > > On the free-energy question, quartz is an excellent transducer, nearly > lossless with good, careful, design, but what we have, basically, is a > s**tload of conducting parallel planes very close together (with controllable > variable spacing, no less). Every time I see the words "Casimir Effect" this > tries to come together, no luck so far. Anyone else see the connection I > can't? Not yet. Strictly from a "we have to have some kind of guesses so we can build the damn thing" standpoint, I am going with the idea that the X-energy has a greater effect on matter than on energy (please excuse the looseness of the terms but the idea don't deserve any more precision than this). Thus the effect would be first a mechanical movement in the crystal matrix, which would then be converted into electricity through the piezo effect. > Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 12 22:10:52 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA05873; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 22:10:34 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 22:10:34 -0800 Message-Id: <199711130431.UAA23575@mailtod-121.bryant.webtv.net> From: leelouden@webtv.net (Lee Louden) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 20:31:41 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Fred Epps...come on down. Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"EoW3o1.0.WR1.NdfQq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2008 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: A note on Jehovah, Translators created the name Jehovah from the Hebrew YHWH which is not a name at all. It is a statement! Actually it was an answer to Moses who was trying to learn the name of this very powerful being that was telling Moses what to do. Moses asked, Who shall I say has sent me? (when he approached the Pharoh for the release of his people) The being who was not about to give his name to a mere mortal said, "say, I Am That I Am. That is the response Moses was to give the Pharoh. In other words, Moses was to recognize his own power and know that he was just as important as the Pharoh. This being that we have called Jehovah, never, at any point, claimed to be the Creator God. Also, the author of the book of Genises goes to great pains to make it clear that the being referred to as Lord God who created (or cloned) Adam and Eve was someone very different than the God who created everything. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 12 22:40:10 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA10222; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 22:39:57 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 22:39:57 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:59:17 -0800 Subject: Re: X-Energy Message-ID: <19971112.223804.12662.0.Jahuti@juno.com> References: <971112191003_1079989137@mrin54.mail.aol.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-4,6-7,9,11-16,18,20,22,24,26-28,30-31,33,35,37-44 From: jahuti@juno.com (Michael Morrison) Resent-Message-ID: <"7POYB.0.dV2.y2gQq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2009 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Wed, 12 Nov 1997 19:35:20 -0500 (EST) MFergerson@aol.com writes: > On the free-energy question, quartz is an excellent transducer, >nearly lossless with good, careful, design, but what we have, basically, is a >s**tload of conducting parallel planes very close together (with >controllable variable spacing, no less). Every time I see the words "Casimir >Effect" this tries to come together, no luck so far. Anyone else see the connection >I can't? > Hi Mark: Well, *I* don't think you're crazy! :-) First, the Casimir Effect is supposed to be where the longer wavelengths of the so-called Zero Point Field are excluded from between two closely spaced parallel plates because the longer wavelengths don't "fit". This results in a lower energy density between the plates than elsewhere. If a crystal can be viewed as a series of closely-spaced plates (and act like it), then we have a lower energy-density within the crystal than without it. Now, how would we make use of that (assuming that the speculation is true)? Also, since the speed of light has been observed to be slightly higher between Casimir plates, maybe we should see a variation of refractive index depending on direction or orientation of the crystal relative to the light ray. Should be some data somewhere on that... Another something to play with! ;-) -- --Michael Morrison Target ICBMs or cruise missles to 38.406N 122.735W From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 12 22:57:41 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA28486; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 22:57:15 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 22:57:15 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711130622.WAA14601@mailtod-122.bryant.webtv.net> From: leelouden@webtv.net (Lee Louden) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 22:22:11 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: X-Energy Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"laXbC.0._y6.9JgQq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2010 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: The guest on the Art Bell show couldn't answer Art's question about whether or not our brain wave frequencies were changing along with the Earth. I have the equipment here to run some tests, are there any meditating volenteers here in the Santa Cruz area? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 12 23:20:51 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA01987; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 23:20:18 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 23:20:18 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <346BB8D9.5878@mlb.planet.gen.nz> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 18:35:05 -0800 From: Stuart Rae X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Fred Epps...come on down. References: <199711130431.UAA23575@mailtod-121.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"5795V3.0.yU.megQq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2011 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Lee Louden wrote: > > A note on Jehovah, > > Translators created the name Jehovah from the Hebrew YHWH which is not a > name at all. It is a statement! Actually it was an answer to Moses who > was trying to learn the name of this very powerful being that was > telling Moses what to do. Moses asked, Who shall I say has sent me? > (when he approached the Pharoh for the release of his people) The being > who was not about to give his name to a mere mortal said, "say, I Am > That I Am. That is the response Moses was to give the Pharoh. In other > words, Moses was to recognize his own power and know that he was just as > important as the Pharoh. > > This being that we have called Jehovah, never, at any point, claimed to > be the Creator God. > Also, the author of the book of Genises goes to great pains to make it > clear that the being referred to as Lord God who created (or cloned) > Adam and Eve was someone very different than the God who created > everything. Interesting! VERY good comment Lee.....(No, I'm not a Christian either......:-)) SR -- -- ================================================= S. N. Rae, REA, SMNZEI, 7B Mountain View Road, Blenheim, NEW ZEALAND. Ph: +64 3 578 9160 email:srae@mlb.planet.gen.nz From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 12 23:47:02 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA05023; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 23:46:51 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 23:46:51 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711130608.WAA11678@mailtod-122.bryant.webtv.net> From: leelouden@webtv.net (Lee Louden) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 22:08:11 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Scientific Channeling WAS X-Energy Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"VwWuT2.0.KE1.f1hQq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2012 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Interesting Schematic Fred, It is the schematic of a basic crystal radio except that it has a resistive load where the headphones would be. I need to sink a ground rod for my new lab anyway, If I can find a crystal of that frequency I'll build it. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Nov 13 00:14:05 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA30397; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 00:13:50 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 00:13:50 -0800 From: curtis.sandoval@supervalu.com X-Lotus-FromDomain: SVHO@SVEXTERNAL To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Message-ID: <8625654E.002B48BE.00@sho-1lnsmtp> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 02:14:34 -0600 Subject: Re: X-Energy Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"DasOy.0.sQ7.zQhQq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2013 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >the 12 crystals worn by the high priest of Israel are a clue to the >material >composition. This gets back to what i was saying earlier about legends containing the truth. Aaron's vestments, which you refer to, are VERY specific regarding construction and materials, and use a lot of aurium (gold). The stones, too, are specific down to their placement on the breastplate. There is also a plate of aurium to be worn on the forehead... It seems to me that the vestments were either a nuke-suit of sorts, to protect Aaron from the energy of the Ark of the Covenant (Ark of Thoth?) OR to 'tune him in' to the energies and frequencies radiated therefrom. The Ark itself seems to be constructed like a capacitor (layers of aurium separated by shittim, or acacia wood), and the Mercy Seat (lid) seems to be constructed like a speaker or antenna. What is inside is the question, e.g. what are the tablets made of, what else is in there? Perhaps it is tuned to the Earth frequency and allows Aaron, whilst wearing his vestments, to 'hear' or perceive the energies as thought or images. It is also said that Iahoveh spoke to Aaron in this manner. Had considered constructing a scale Ark and Vestments, but economic conditions prevent the purchase of so much aurium at this time ;-)) Not sure if there is any suitable substitute metal, either. Legends of other cultures have similar references, such as the Ark of Thoth and so on, which makes me think that these objects are possibly a holdover from a much more advanced and ancient society, or possibly one not of Terran origin... From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Nov 13 00:44:02 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA01882; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 00:43:51 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 00:43:51 -0800 Message-ID: <346AE2E2.6DFE@keelynet.com> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 03:22:10 -0800 From: Jerry Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: X-Energy References: <8625654E.002B48BE.00@sho-1lnsmtp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"3vZqL.0.DT.6thQq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2014 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Please forgive this post as I know it is a freenrg mailing list, but I couldn't resist......>> Jerry Hi Curtis & Stuart, et.al... Fascinating comments about the Ark, Vestments and derivation of Jehovah. Regarding the stones and their precise placement in the vestment, otherwise known as the lamen, I have read that the stones were intended to amplify the so-called chakras, which are supposed to be spinning vortices of energy and which awakened psychic abilities in the process.... Patrick Flanagan was investigating crystals many years ago and he wrote that he was planning to write a book and had 300 pages at last count. For some reason, he never published that information to my knowledge. I understood he felt ripped off by the many cottage industries that sprung up after his initial Pyramid Power book and that he thought the same thing would happen with the Crystal book. A correlation to the use of crystals to amplify chakras is the work of Robert Pavlita with psychotronic generators...where certain materials are used to construct specific geometric patterns....these are claimed to accumulate, redirect, or alter subtle energies much like waveguides. Several inventors of free energy devices were the only ones who could make them work. Keely, Hendershott, Hubbard spring to mind, and the more recent Doyle Noyes and Daniel up in Canada, who seem to have an ability to create a 'flow'.....in Dan Davidson's book 'Shape Power' he found that certain patterns seem to direct energy and that those patterns must be drawn in one continuous stroke, kind of like biasing the ink particles in a given direction to serve as a path for subtle energies. On the Laura Lee website is an article about John Hutchinson and Poltergeist phenomena, where Hutchinson places all kinds of electronic equipment in a single room, then turns them on....nothing happens initially, but after a period of time, strange things happen such as levitation, things being thrown across the room, apports and disappearances, etc.....it is as if the energies COMBINE to form a low level intelligence which is pissed off or learning how to control its powers by producing the phenomena...unfortunately, it damages its own 'organs' by indiscriminate throwing of objects, which eventually kills the intelligence.... Anyway, it might be that certain aspects of free energy require some kind of 'sympathetic attendant' (Keely's words) to bias the aether/zpe flow...once started, it continues on its own....but it has to be primed by this odd mental process....seeya! -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://www.keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / KeelyNet BBS (214) 324-3501 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite, Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Nov 13 01:08:53 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA04527; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 01:08:39 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 01:08:39 -0800 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 02:08:33 -0700 (MST) From: Steve Ekwall X-Sender: ekwall2@november To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: ping Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"aF0qj.0.e61.MEiQq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2015 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: hi greg.... still there? :} just checking ping -=se=- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Nov 13 01:51:41 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA10305; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 01:51:28 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 01:51:28 -0800 Message-Id: <199711130951.BAA16138@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: X-Energy Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 11:59:18 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Xlm53.0.uW2.VsiQq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2016 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > > The guest on the Art Bell show couldn't answer Art's question about > whether or not our brain wave frequencies were changing along with the > Earth. I have the equipment here to run some tests, are there any > meditating volenteers here in the Santa Cruz area? Well, the problem wouldn't be measuring the brainwaves, but the earth resonances. That's a toughie, or so I gather from reading John Schnurer's knowledgeable posts on the subject. Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Nov 13 01:51:43 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA10320; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 01:51:30 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 01:51:30 -0800 Message-Id: <199711130951.BAA09362@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: OFF TOPIC: JEHOVAH Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:15:24 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"V0Y6U3.0.7X2.WsiQq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2017 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Lee, Stuart, I put an "off topic" sticker on this one, it is after all pretty far away from the context of the list... > > > > Translators created the name Jehovah from the Hebrew YHWH which is not a > > name at all. It is a statement! Actually it was an answer to Moses who > > was trying to learn the name of this very powerful being that was > > telling Moses what to do. Moses asked, Who shall I say has sent me? > > (when he approached the Pharoh for the release of his people) The being > > who was not about to give his name to a mere mortal said, "say, I Am > > That I Am. That is the response Moses was to give the Pharoh. In other > > words, Moses was to recognize his own power and know that he was just as > > important as the Pharoh. Just want to point out that there are numerous interpretations of this text. > > > > This being that we have called Jehovah, never, at any point, claimed to > > be the Creator God. > > Also, the author of the book of Genises goes to great pains to make it > > clear that the being referred to as Lord God who created (or cloned) > > Adam and Eve was someone very different than the God who created > > everything. There was no single author of the book of genesis. > > Interesting! VERY good comment Lee.....(No, I'm not a Christian > either......:-)) > Yes, there are two accounts of creation in the Bible, one involving the Elohim, which is a PLURAL term in Hebrew, and the other involving YHWH. Both are lifted from earlier Sumerian and Babylonian texts, as I recall. Zechariah Sitchin is at his most convincing in his description of the creation of humans by ETs through the cloning process. The Sumerian ur-text of the genesis story is much closer to a modern account of cloning that is possible to impart in a letter. There is an amazing illustration in "The 12th Planet", Sitchin's first book, taken from a Sumerian tablet, which shows a Sumerian Goddess proudly holding a large flask containing a human being, displaying it to the other onlooking gods! The text completely reinforces the impression that humans were the product of a long project on the part of the "gods" (who undoubtably used the moon as their home away from home...;-> ) Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Nov 13 01:51:48 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA10354; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 01:51:36 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 01:51:36 -0800 Message-Id: <199711130951.BAA11136@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: Scientific Channeling WAS X-Energy Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:19:32 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"A7sfn1.0.XX2.bsiQq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2018 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > > Interesting Schematic Fred, > > It is the schematic of a basic crystal radio except that it has a > resistive load where the headphones would be. And the crystal in a crystal radio is actually a diode junction, not a piezoelectric crystal. And the spherical "tesla capacity" cannot be replaced with an antenna. Really, the antenna is probably the ground, and vice versa, as near as I can figure out. > I need to sink a ground rod for my new lab anyway, If I can find a > crystal of that frequency I'll build it. I'll send it to you. Email me your address... Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Nov 13 02:04:15 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA21893; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 02:04:06 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 02:04:06 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711131003.CAA11811@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: X-Energy Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 14:02:22 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"6v5za2.0.-L5.J2jQq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2019 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Jerry! > Patrick Flanagan was investigating crystals many years ago and he wrote > that he was planning to write a book and had 300 pages at last count. > For some reason, he never published that information to my knowledge. I > understood he felt ripped off by the many cottage industries that sprung > up after his initial Pyramid Power book and that he thought the same > thing would happen with the Crystal book. Maybe now that crystals aren't the fad they were for a while he might reconsider.. > > A correlation to the use of crystals to amplify chakras is the work of > Robert Pavlita with psychotronic generators...where certain materials are > used to construct specific geometric patterns....these are claimed to > accumulate, redirect, or alter subtle energies much like waveguides. Yes, too bad there isn't much out there about them. BTW, I found a badly defaced transcript of two pages from the Hungarian Psychotronics meeting where he demonstrated them, if you want it for your site. It still doesn't have any diagrams :-( > > Several inventors of free energy devices were the only ones who could > make them work. Keely, Hendershott, Hubbard Hubbard too? spring to mind, and the more > recent Doyle Noyes and Daniel up in Canada, who seem to have an ability > to create a 'flow'.....in Dan Davidson's book 'Shape Power' he found that > certain patterns seem to direct energy and that those patterns must be > drawn in one continuous stroke, kind of like biasing the ink particles in > a given direction to serve as a path for subtle energies. That gets pretty close to sigil magic, or ceremonial art. The paper records the intent. > > On the Laura Lee website is an article about John Hutchinson and > Poltergeist phenomena, where Hutchinson places all kinds of electronic > equipment in a single room, then turns them on....nothing happens > initially, but after a period of time, strange things happen such as > levitation, things being thrown across the room, apports and > disappearances, etc.....it is as if the energies COMBINE to form a low > level intelligence which is pissed off or learning how to control its > powers by producing the phenomena...unfortunately, it damages its own > 'organs' by indiscriminate throwing of objects, which eventually kills > the intelligence.... That's one way of looking at it. I got the impression more of a vortex being created that allowed a somewat higher type of discarnate intelligence through, which was clumsily trying to move things. There is a DEFINITE sense of intelligence, though. Have you read the file by Gaddis called 'electronic ghosts" on the Borderlands site? Very similar phenomena. > > Anyway, it might be that certain aspects of free energy require some kind > of 'sympathetic attendant' (Keely's words) to bias the aether/zpe > flow...once started, it continues on its own....but it has to be primed > by this odd mental process....seeya! Yes it seems to me that a radionic type device (sympathetic magic) and an electronic device could be combined so that real results would come from standardized symbolic patterns of intent built in to the machine. That is, it would be independently acting, once it had been charged. I was given an invention in a dream one time that was exactly like that. It was a lot stranger than anything we've talked about so far :-) Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Nov 13 03:03:32 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA25168; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 03:03:23 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 03:03:23 -0800 (PST) From: curtis.sandoval@supervalu.com X-Lotus-FromDomain: SVHO@SVEXTERNAL To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Message-ID: <8625654E.003B3544.00@sho-1lnsmtp> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 05:03:49 -0600 Subject: X-Energy Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"qQX-S.0.796.vvjQq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2020 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Okay, so if higher frequency waves contain more energy, what about higher harmonics of Earth frequencies? For example, if 7.83Hz is a base frequency, what about a crystal resonating at 7.83kHz? Regarding Aaron, suppose that the 14 stones (12 on his breastplate, and two on his shoulder-pieces) were tuned to twelve or thirteen frequencies, and that the connection of them via all the conductive garments created another frequency that perhaps could be heard or thought. There must have been a reason for all the specific instructions, besides making a lot of Hebrew goldsmiths... Did not mean that the energy was EM, just that it may have an EM component possibly, perhaps as it reacts and interacts with the crystals in and on the earth. Think of the silicon oxide crystals lying around in a conductive electrolyte on this planet... By the way, Mark, i include the Star Trek Tech Manual in my list of 'legends which contain the truth.' Fiction writers, when they *know* they are writing fiction, often strike the truth squarely in the nose, because they stop rationalising and analysing the information they 'imagine' that way. Also it is my opinion that chakras are not as off-topic as they may seem, as they are represented as having different colours, of different frequencies, and may be some sort of subconscious perception of harmonics of this mysterious energy source. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Nov 13 07:15:32 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA26049; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 07:15:18 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 07:15:18 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: rmuha@mail Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199711130951.BAA11136@mail1.halcyon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:14:18 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: ralph muha Subject: Re: Scientific Channeling WAS X-Energy Resent-Message-ID: <"f3ceB3.0.wM6.3cnQq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2021 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Free Epps wrote: >> Interesting Schematic Fred, >> >> It is the schematic of a basic crystal radio except that it has a >> resistive load where the headphones would be. > >And the crystal in a crystal radio is actually a diode junction, not a >piezoelectric crystal. And the spherical "tesla capacity" cannot be >replaced with an antenna. Really, the antenna is probably the ground, and >vice versa, as near as I can figure out. just like Tesla's wireless power. remember, he was going to modulate the ground current, transmit power thru the ground, not the air... r From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Nov 13 07:29:28 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA27465; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 07:29:12 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 07:29:12 -0800 (PST) From: RoConroy@aol.com Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:27:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971113102756_583052329@mrin84.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: X-Energy Resent-Message-ID: <"yxngt3.0.vi6.3pnQq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2022 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: In a message dated 97-11-13 03:53:59 EST, Curtis,you write: << The Ark itself seems to be constructed like a capacitor (layers of aurium separated by shittim, or acacia wood), and the Mercy Seat (lid) seems to be constructed like a speaker or antenna. What is inside is the question, e.g. what are the tablets made of, what else is in there? >> As far as "what else is in there", if my memory serves me, there are a pair of seers, crystal type glasses I assume, the 10 commandments, which are the basis for getting intune, such that those with eyes can see, and I even I think maybe the staff of Moses was included but I can't remember precisely. To see clearly one must be spiritual intune as well as mentally and physically. The 10 commandments are the spiritual key, but they have been changed by the "beast with two horns like a lamb "(Revelations), Constantine the Great King of Rome, who changed the law and the times, through his established Holy Roman Catholic Church, through the agency of the Council of Nicean in 325 AD. The two horns being the false prophet Paul, referred to as "Favor" in Ze 11, and the staff "Chord", Peter, Ze 11, being the another unfaithful apostle along with Judas Iscariot the third shepherd Ze 11:12. This is why all "those who dwell on the earth will be deceived" and those with eyes and ears will not understand both spiritually or physically. The reason everything will come to light is not because of a spiritual rebirth but because of prophecy where is said that in the end time everything hidden will be revealed (Rev). If you seek your new energy source today, you will probably find it, for I have a feeling we are in the end times and there are no constraints on what you will find. Personally I regard such a search as an adventure and try and fit it in with my other adventures. Bob From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Nov 13 08:05:39 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA25689; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 08:04:38 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 08:04:38 -0800 From: MFergerson@aol.com Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 11:03:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971113110359_-223009727@mrin84.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Fred Epps...come on down. Resent-Message-ID: <"MLUx42.0.IH6.KKoQq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2023 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Lee Louden wrote: >Translators created the name Jehovah from the Hebrew YHWH which is not a >name at all. It is a statement! Actually it was an answer to Moses who >was trying to learn the name of this very powerful being that was >telling Moses what to do. Moses asked, Who shall I say has sent me? >(when he approached the Pharoh for the release of his people) The being >who was not about to give his name to a mere mortal said, "say, I Am >That I Am. That is the response Moses was to give the Pharoh. In other >words, Moses was to recognize his own power and know that he was just as >important as the Pharoh. Now I know why Popeye The Sailor was one of my first heroes! ( I yam what I yam, and that's all what I yam!) >This being that we have called Jehovah, never, at any point, claimed to >be the Creator God. >Also, the author of the book of Genises goes to great pains to make it >clear that the being referred to as Lord God who created (or cloned) >Adam and Eve was someone very different than the God who created >everything. That's something I could never get straight- does "Elohim" refer to a committee (which would explain a lot) or is the plural -im a "royal we"? Just pondering the imponderable Mark From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Nov 13 08:48:21 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA01436; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 08:48:08 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 08:48:08 -0800 From: MFergerson@aol.com Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 11:47:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971113114731_1080077459@mrin86.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Casimir/Quartz (Was Re: X-Energy) Resent-Message-ID: <"UQB1j.0.FM.6zoQq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2024 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: M. Morrison generously wrote: >Well, *I* don't think you're crazy! :-) Got you fooled, eh? >First, the Casimir Effect is supposed to be where the longer wavelengths >of the >so-called Zero Point Field are excluded from between two closely spaced >parallel >plates because the longer wavelengths don't "fit". This results in a >lower energy >density between the plates than elsewhere. Right. That's how I understood it. > If a crystal can be viewed as a series of closely-spaced plates (and act like it), then >we have a lower energy-density within the crystal than without it. With you so far... >Also, since the speed of light has been observed to be slightly higher >between >Casimir plates, maybe we should see a variation of refractive index >depending >on direction or orientation of the crystal relative to the light ray. >Should be some >data somewhere on that... My CRC shows lots of variation of refractive index with orientation, but I suspect they are 'bulk effects', that is, the index may not be the same between one set of planes and the next...... only when you sum the differences over the whole crystal do you get the published value.....but how to get crystals only two planes thick to prove? The point is, a properly loaded (negative resistance, maybe?) and well-shielded (to eliminate E-M pickup) crystal should exhibit the Casimir effect all by itself. Sounds so simple, yet....... >Another something to play with! ;-) Now, where'd I put my negistors...... Mark From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Nov 13 08:54:44 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA10795; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 08:54:21 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 08:54:21 -0800 (PST) From: "Sonjalene York Littlefield" To: Subject: Re: X-Energy Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:57:38 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1008.3 X-MimeOle: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.1008.3 Message-ID: <19971113165401593.AAA211@host.tyler.net> Resent-Message-ID: <"ntU3U2.0.Ze2.v2pQq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2025 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi All My information is that the crystals are placed to accommodate frequency intensity via ascension and descension in order to contain without loss the generated energy. Also that the cloth, which has meticulous instructions for the weave and assembly is very important to include. At the present time there is research being conducted in the VR realm to develop a Smart Cloth to generate energy for comfortable wearables minus bulky power packs. Our own body static might have some role as well and there would have to be some type of connecting device. Regards to YHWH being converted via interpretation to Jehovah, this is what I was referring to as the distinct difference between the definitions of the two words. Translation should never be confused with interpretation which we do referenced particularly to ancient works. The translations need to be scrubbed clean of the influence of previous interpretations to let the true picture emerge. Most artist renderings that have so much influence were presented centuries after the events took place and are merely interpretations, not translations. YHWH puts one in mind of broadcast identification letters when left standing alone and maybe the Tablets which go into a drawer are computer discs with computer command language? Just a thought. Could someone please tell me what I have done, downloading the current Internet Explorer Browser to encrypt all my Email punctuation? I have tried to avoid as much as possible Email address is all lowercase sonney at tyler dot net Thanks From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Nov 13 09:27:21 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA16732; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:26:48 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:26:48 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19971113102623.0070df10@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> References: <971112083211_-2078686581@mrin79> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 07:22:29 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: Electrogravity - ELPEX V2.0 design and tests Resent-Message-ID: <"Tssm6.0.K54.JXpQq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2026 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: John Winterflood wrote: > It may be necessary to spray the bag with some > conductive coating to prevent static build up and > maybe insulate the wires where they pass through > the bag. Maybe one of those antistatic bags used for > electronic circuit boards would be good or even a > metalized one. Unfortunately, that might mirror out the charges and create an anomalous force opposite to and cancelling the anomalous one they're looking for in the first place. The experiment seems to call for naked polarity. > Maybe just holding a candle on the thrusting side > to see if the flame is deflected at all by wind > currents. ... or spider web telltales or smoke. But broad coupling of the electrode charges to a large volume of air in the room would make for a *very* subtle motion of air, yet sum up substantially against the source. IOW, it could still be ionic flow even then. The real answer to this is hard vacuum. Even then, you've still got induced coupling to the walls, floor, etc. to worry about. This is a very difficult problem to avoid. Like John Schnurer says: "HV couples to everything". - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Nov 13 09:31:07 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA17607; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:30:40 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:30:40 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711131729.JAA03624@mailtod-122.bryant.webtv.net> From: leelouden@webtv.net (Lee Louden) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:29:46 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Fred Epps...come on down. Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"se7W3.0.-I4.zapQq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2027 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: The Elohim! According to Zecharia Sitchin, the Sumerian tablets tell us that the Elohim were a race of giants with advanced technology who came to this planet to mine it's gold. The Leader of this expedition or project was called An. An had two grown sons called Enki and Enlil who became project leaders also. The story goes that their own people did the mining for many many years and that during that time the elohim pretty much ignored the indiginous earthlings. When the miners got fed up with the drudge work of mining, they said to the leaders "we quit". The leaders were now in a dilemma; apparently they had quotas to meet but to try to force the miners back to work could be very risky for the miners greatly outnumbered the leaders. Someone amoung them came up with the brilliant idea, Hey why don't we make use of the Earthlings? It was determined that, with proper modifications, the earthlings could be made into mine workers. The whole process of trial and error cloning is described in the tablets and, so the story goes, modern man was the result. Enki who apparently was the best scientist amoung them was responsible for this genetic experiment and was pretty proud of his accomplishment. He had not only created a hybred race but he was even able to make them self reproductive. This made Father An and brother Enlil pretty nervous. Seems that this new strain of earthlings were breeding like rabbits and they were also way to smart to be good slaves for any great length of time. They voted to destroy Enki's creations and of course Enki argued to save them. An had the final decision. They knew that the Earth was about to go through a pole shift and that most of the life on earth would be wiped out anyway. So An declared that they would leave it up to fate. But Enki was told that he was not to give warning to his new race of humans. Enki disobeyed orders and warned Unapishtim (his favorite human) and gave him instructions of how to build an ark to save himself and his family (sound familiar) So when the appropriate time came all the elohim or annunaki as the ones living on earth were called, lifted of the earth in their ships to wait out the destruction caused by the pole shift. When they landed again and found some of the new race had survived they accepted this as that fate meant for it to happen this way. Good story Huh? See Sitchin's Genises Revisited. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Nov 13 09:32:07 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA09258; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:31:51 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:31:51 -0800 X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199711130431.UAA23575@mailtod-121.bryant.webtv.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 07:28:18 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: Fred Epps...come on down. Resent-Message-ID: <"wpTeI3.0.UG2.5cpQq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2028 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Lee - > Also, the author of the book of Genises goes to great > pains to make it clear that the being referred to as > Lord God who created (or cloned) Adam and Eve > was someone very different than the God who > created everything. ...I take it then that those pains brought to naught by one or more of the councils that altered this text over the years? It's amazing how much trouble a little creative editing can cause. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Nov 13 09:41:13 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA12305; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:40:54 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:40:54 -0800 X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199711130448.UAA20571@mail1.halcyon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 07:37:18 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: X-Energy Resent-Message-ID: <"1jQAU1.0.603.bkpQq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2029 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Fred - > I was thinking about trying it with a whole bunch > of cheap ceramic capacitors in series and parallel > with diodes on the outside edges to get the > increased volume. Me too. But it still doesn't add up. The few mV only runs briefly then the rock has to re-accumulate for a while. Chris Tinsley did a variation on this experiment. He snipped the leads off some electrolytic capacitors and placed them in different orientations inside a covered (and grounded?) aluminum pot, freshly shorted out. When he'd take them out hours later, they would have charge, and their charges would be different depending on orientation. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Nov 13 10:02:21 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA22932; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:01:49 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:01:49 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711131801.KAA09038@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: "Free Energy" Subject: hiatus Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 21:59:09 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"9hIL9.0.Ac5.82qQq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2030 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi folks! A lot of people have been writing to me, privately and publicly, about my posts. Just wanted to say that the nature of my job will put me out of touch of email until Sat night or Sun. So don't be miffed if I write and you don't get an answer.. I'll get back to you next weekend. Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Nov 13 10:08:42 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA18114; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:08:19 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:08:19 -0800 From: JNaudin509@aol.com Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:07:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971113130725_62824206@mrin53.mail.aol.com> To: fepps@mail1.halcyon.com, harti@harti.com, srae@mlb.planet.gen.nz, mrandall@earthlink.net, vramos@ctv.es, ddameron@earthlink.net, bauer.d@krypta.aball.de, kami@iafrica.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com cc: corundum@pan-net.de, otecnor@emirates.net.ae Subject: Moonhie circuit - Test results Resent-Message-ID: <"jfdnj1.0.xQ4.H8qQq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2031 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi All, I have tested the "Moonhie circuit" which claims some free energy tapping. Relay L2 +---------/\---OOOOO----+--OOOOOOO----------+ SW open when relay ON ! SW-----------/ ! ! ! ! === C2 === C1 +-----! Nonphysical "templates" of physical reality (not an energy as such) ---> X-energy ----> Physical matter/energy/time/space (arrows mean create/control/inform) Ultimately consciousness creates reality in this model, but it does it through a set of "templates" that allow certain thoughts and feelings to be physicalized, and not others (which is why Christie Brinkley doesn't show up at your house one day :-) The X-energy structures itself into these templates and physical reality arises in some fashion out of the energized templates. > Incidentally, if anyone feels this discussion is getting too far out > for freenrg-l, there's a radionics mailing list that doesn't have a lot > of traffic right now. To join, send a blank email to > cosi-list-info@amargiland.com. > Well, there is clearly one or more groups on the list that will ignore these kinds of discussions, but I get the sense from other people that they want more...am I right? Geez, I hadn't gotten to the really farout ideas yet...you guys wouldn't believe the things I believe :-) I took a look at that guy's website and it seemed like he was a tad full of himself. He said the mailing list was to magnify his magnificence or something like that... was he kidding? Why do I not think so? :-) Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Nov 18 20:52:19 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA11125; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 20:51:08 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 20:51:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34726FEA.C82B609C@microtronics.com.au> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 15:19:46 +1030 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List Server Freenrg CC: List Server Vortex Subject: Back On-Line Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"rq_tJ1.0.bj2.v0dSq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2219 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi All, Back on line (at last). Sorry for the offline period. Major hardware upgrade and a few cross linked directories to sort out. The video I found on my door step was from a friend's son. I have received 4 of the final SMOT Mk4 bases. They look GOOD. The rest will start arriving Monday 24th Nov. I should have all 50 by 28th Nov. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Nov 18 21:13:37 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA17548; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 21:12:36 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 21:12:36 -0800 From: MFergerson@aol.com Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 00:11:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971119000524_-1541742995@mrin86.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Beauty and the Machine Resent-Message-ID: <"zERSk1.0.4I4.2LdSq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2220 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hey, Fred. You wrote: >I have discussed some aspects of the X-energy described by many, without I >think getting to its essential characteristics, those which define it and >at the same time make it hard to describe and quantify. > >The X-energy > >--mimics the behavior of light in that it can be refracted, reflected, and >focussed through lenses (Hieronymus) >--mimics magnetism in that it radiates out of the poles of a permanent >magnet (the observations of Reichenbach) I think these two have the same basic meaning-that the X-energy is subject to SOME of the laws delimiting EM.....I do NOT think Maxwell's math is much help though, re: propagation velocity, and the "accumulation effect" seen with Hieronymus (I wish his name were shorter) devices; as soon as you turn it on, you get some response (not limited by C), the longer it's on, the greater the effect. Not accounted for in standard EM theory, but real. In fact, all the properties you have described seem to have something in common with EM. >It has many other properties as well, but I believe these contradictory >"physical" properties must be dealt with before any more profound analysis >can be undertaken. The difference is, nobody has tripped over the basic mathematical relations describing what happens.......would clear up a lot of confusion, not to mention giving a certain credibility to our efforts for the larger "normal" scientific community. >If I look at these properties in a sort of diffuse, vague sort of way, >without focussing my brain so to speak, the first thing that pops out at me >is that the X-energy is alive! Not that it is the energy that makes US >alive, which is the vitalist viewpoint -- and this may also be true-- but >that the energy itself is alive! >When I say that it is alive, I am not referring to some biological >characteristics that we use (rightly or wrongly) to define life, such as >the ability to reproduce, but the more active characteristics of life. Even by a narrow "biological" definition, Quartz is very nearly alive (eats, grows, reproduces, reacts, etc.) so this doesn't bother me much. >How would we describe the x-energy if we were to think of it as a living >thing? > >It likes to be around other kinds of energy. It will travel with any other >kind of energy You seem to be harking back to the "pilot wave" idea popular some decades ago.....not investigated fully (to my satisfaction), but getting more attention these days re: Quantum mechanics. If the X-energy is the "pilot wave" common to various forms of EM, heat, light, etc., as well as whatever it is we're trying to tap mechanically, it might be non-3D in origin, and manifest constant "C" only when projected into local 3D space. Gonna make the math VERY difficult, but possibly easier to visualize. >It will travel with an energy to a particular point, then disengage from it >and move to another form of energy, but always staying with the highest >energy flow. "Path of least resistance"? Perhaps following an established flow is simply connecting 4D- or 5D-dots. > An example would be the eloptic apparatus of Hieronymus, where >the energy travels down a wire, then through the BACK of a mirror, into the >light bouncing off the mirror. How did it know to go through the mirror to >hook up with the light? Sounds like 'evanescent wave coupling' to me, now that I've read about it....more known EM behavior (but still fairly weird). > The structure of the device represents a concrete >pattern of intention which is "tracked" by the energy. >It likes regular geometrical shapes, whether two or three dimensional. Four? Five? >This includes the platonic solids as well as spirals, cones, spheres, etc. >In fact it appears to like any shape which we as humans consider to be >ideal or perfect. Microstructures (atoms, molecules, crystals) already embody these "esthetic" forms...mimicking them in macro isn't easy to any degree of precision; perhaps that's why various experimenters get such wildly differing results..."I copied the equipment exactly!"....how exactly? A degree or two off, and a crystal or a stable chemical bond won't form...get the dimensional/distance relationships wrong with the H. device, it don't work so good (I speak from experience). >It likes to connect two things that are similar or related. This is shown >in radionics or sympathetic magic. Funny you should say it that way; John W. Campbell used to call the H. device "electronic black magic". > It likes separated layers of the same >material, which may be a related characteristic. >It seems to prefer elemental materials, like silver, gold, etc.-- but it >also likes organic materials like wood. Perhaps it would be best to say >that it likes "quality" materials, as galling as that is to the mind's >desire to quantify. > For instance, Pavlita's psychotronic generators seem >to embody the sorts of "environments" that this living thing prefers-- >beautiful, well-made devices composed of high-quality materials, platonic >solids, etc. It's also possible these clean-edged, simple (geometry-wise) devices are just less "confusing" for the X. I've seen the "sympathy effect" also; use the wrong materials in a "transmit-receive" experiment, and no go. >Well, this gives you the idea. It should be clear that the X-energy is >attracted to things that humans are also attracted to, and it could easily >be argued that the X-energy is simply some unknown property of human mental >functioning, and that machines like radionics devices are simply tools to >make this unknown human gift or energy more accessible. Not being an anthromorphist (just made that up) I believe X was here first, and we can access directly some limited part which we happen to "resonate" with; whether that depends on physical structure (brain, etc.) or attitude (meditation, etc.) or some combination, I do not know. That's another notoriously difficult area to do experiment replication in. I also think it is involved in most or all non-organic physics, perhaps in "degraded" form, as EM, thermodynamics, etc. >.. to the X-energy the pyramid or other shape, sound, >color, electrical current, etc, operates as an "instruction" put in >concrete form. We can put this as the final and most important >characteristic of the energy: > >It follows instructions. It is "in-formed". It exists most densely in >intelligent design. It follows the pattern of thought, even if the thought >is put into a material form. It is extremely important IMHO to continue to investigate the "non-intelligent" manifestations as well, to get the attention (in the 2x4 sense) of the ortho-scientists. >A scientific approach to this energy might be based on information theory, >because information theory assumes that messages with meaning can be >created. There is a faction that links information to energy in that fashion, and also believes information cannot be destroyed, only changed in form. Black hole theory gives them the shivering fits, as they can't figure out what form information takes on the other side of the singularity (not enough dimensions in the theory, maybe?). A massive object (a book) falls into a B.H. and all we see is the mass increase- where'd the data in the book go? > It will not be based on thermodynamics, because the X-energy is >not limited by any material. Weeellll......yes and no. It does have its preferences. Copper is a better conductor, silk works almost as well, lead not worth a darn....and there IS the "sympathetic" aspect. All in all, a lot to think about. Any thought-forms, anyone? Mark From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Nov 18 23:28:17 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA05094; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 23:27:38 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 23:27:38 -0800 Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 02:26:50 -0500 From: Ralph E Griffin Subject: Flux Gate by Current through the Core? Sender: Ralph E Griffin To: Free Energy List Message-ID: <199711190226_MC2-28BA-DF2E@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id XAA05077 Resent-Message-ID: <"EEWaj1.0.VF1.fJfSq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2221 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Fred On Nov 3, you said in responce to Jack's comments about his attempts to make a magnetic diode with Metglas: >Didn't realize you were trying it :-) Did you notice any changes in >magnetization of the Metglas when you put the current through it? >According to the published reports the coercive force should change >as well as hysteresis curve... What published reports? I have never hear of this, and I would like to know more. Does it effect the saturation flux density or permeability? Could this effect be used as a flux gate? Thanks in advance Ralph Griffin From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Nov 18 23:31:59 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA05701; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 23:31:46 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 23:31:46 -0800 Message-Id: <199711190731.XAA06291@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: Beauty and the Machine Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 11:30:20 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"_hsTy2.0.uO1.WNfSq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2222 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Mark! Thanks for the interesting and informative reply. I am basing my discussion of just a review of somer books and papers, whereas you have some practical experience. > > > >--mimics the behavior of light in that it can be refracted, reflected, and > >focussed through lenses (Hieronymus) > >--mimics magnetism in that it radiates out of the poles of a permanent > >magnet (the observations of Reichenbach) > > I think these two have the same basic meaning-that the X-energy is subject > to SOME of the laws delimiting EM.....I do NOT think Maxwell's math is much > help though, re: propagation velocity, and the "accumulation effect" seen > with Hieronymus (I wish his name were shorter) devices; Maybe we can just call it an H-device. as soon as you turn > it on, you get some response (not limited by C), the longer it's on, the > greater the effect. Not accounted for in standard EM theory, but real. It's much like the "Mana" which is said to accumulate on talismans and sacred icons over time, with continued use in spiritual practices or magic. > In fact, all the properties you have described seem to have something in > common with EM. There's no question that there is a connection. But is EM a subset of X, or is X a subset of EM? I'm inclined to think the latter. > > >It has many other properties as well, but I believe these contradictory > >"physical" properties must be dealt with before any more profound analysis > >can be undertaken. > > The difference is, nobody has tripped over the basic mathematical relations > describing what happens.......would clear up a lot of confusion, not to > mention giving a certain credibility to our efforts for the larger "normal" > scientific community. I think we are a long way from having such a mathematical basis. I suspect it is on the same order as creating a model of joy, or love-- not impossible, but distinctly unlikely. On the other hand, it seems like the groundwork has been laid for describing how the energy will interact with electromagnetism. > > > >If I look at these properties in a sort of diffuse, vague sort of way, > >without focussing my brain so to speak, the first thing that pops out at me > >is that the X-energy is alive! Not that it is the energy that makes US > >alive, which is the vitalist viewpoint -- and this may also be true-- but > >that the energy itself is alive! > >When I say that it is alive, I am not referring to some biological > >characteristics that we use (rightly or wrongly) to define life, such as > >the ability to reproduce, but the more active characteristics of life. > > Even by a narrow "biological" definition, Quartz is very nearly alive > (eats, grows, reproduces, reacts, etc.) so this doesn't bother me much. Well, how about if I push it a little and say the energy has awareness and preference? > > >It likes to be around other kinds of energy. It will travel with any other > >kind of energy > > You seem to be harking back to the "pilot wave" idea popular some decades > ago.....not investigated fully (to my satisfaction), but getting more > attention these days re: Quantum mechanics. > > If the X-energy is the "pilot wave" common to various forms of EM, heat, > light, etc., as well as whatever it is we're trying to tap mechanically, it > might be non-3D in origin, and manifest constant "C" only when projected into > local 3D space. Gonna make the math VERY difficult, but possibly easier to > visualize. I'm only vaguely familiar with the concept, something De Broglie came up with? No question in my mind that it operates in more than three spatial dimensions. I'm not sure how a pilot wave would explain the such things as the storage of the energy in water, unless you imagine some sort of "standing pilot wave" --beyond me... I think the "mechanical" part is the important thing for practical purposes. We don't need to know the whole scheme of how it works if we can experiment and find mechanical resonances generated in crystals by X under certain conditions.. > > >It will travel with an energy to a particular point, then disengage from it > >and move to another form of energy, but always staying with the highest > >energy flow. > > "Path of least resistance"? Perhaps following an established flow is simply > connecting 4D- or 5D-dots. Quite likely. Do you think this would explain the connection between a radionics machine with a "witness" and the distant subject of healing? Even a photograph of the person will work to link the machine and patient. Any theory has to account for this "purely informational" connection. I described in an earlier post my rudimentary (and not original) theory of how reality comes to be: Consciousness ---> physical reality templates -----> X-energy ----> physical reality. The radionics machine is working on the template level, which is purely informational, as well as the x-energy level. I think we can reduce confusion if we use this model as an operating assumption. > > > An example would be the eloptic apparatus of Hieronymus, where > >the energy travels down a wire, then through the BACK of a mirror, into the > >light bouncing off the mirror. How did it know to go through the mirror to > >hook up with the light? > > Sounds like 'evanescent wave coupling' to me, now that I've read about > it....more known EM behavior (but still fairly weird). Well, I suppose you could come up with EM analogs for almost any part of the observed phenomenon, but this seems to me to get to the point of the blind men describing the elephant, one feeling the leg and saying it is a tree, etc. Yes, each part of the X-energy can be modelled as an EM phenomena, but NO EM energy can go through TRANSLATION from one of these modes to the other without special equipment. If you attach a wire to the end of a magnet, the X-energy of the magnet obligingly goes through the wire. Presumably, if you coiled the end of the wire and put it in front of a lamp, the x would become part of the light and radiate away. My basic point in my post is that the X-energy behavior is less rule-based. It has many more degrees of freedom than EM does. It does what you want it do. It is more like an image visualized in the mind than a lawful physical force. But there appears to be a continuum between totally "free", imaginative, aesthetic, structuring on one end of the spectrum to a very close analog to EM on the other. This corresponds to my reality-creating scheme above. The EM-analog end is what has been called "etheric" energy in descriptions of the human aura, an energy "close to physical form" in metaphysical terms. This appears to be what is emitted as a natural force from magnets, crystals, etc. > > > The structure of the device represents a concrete > >pattern of intention which is "tracked" by the energy. > >It likes regular geometrical shapes, whether two or three dimensional. > > Four? Five? How about infinite? Earlier I described a concept where the energy was seen as infinitesimal units in an infinite-dimensional "packing" such that every unit was close-packed with every other unit. > > >This includes the platonic solids as well as spirals, cones, spheres, etc. > >In fact it appears to like any shape which we as humans consider to be > >ideal or perfect. > > Microstructures (atoms, molecules, crystals) already embody these > "esthetic" forms..mimicking them in macro isn't easy to any degree of > precision; perhaps that's why various experimenters get such wildly differing > results..."I copied the equipment exactly!"....how exactly? A degree or two > off, and a crystal or a stable chemical bond won't form...get the > dimensional/distance relationships wrong with the H. device, it don't work so > good (I speak from experience). Very good point! This would apply then to structures like pyramids made from copper tube etc. It makes sense to me. This is where the rigor comes in with these gadgets, otherwise every drawing on a piece of paper would be a radionics device. Are the correct dimensions for the H device the ones that Hieronymus describes in his patent? Or the ones that Campbell describes in his paper version? How did they arrive at these? A few days ago, I was sitting in my car thinking about the attraction of the X-energy for the platonic solids, wondering in particular about the dodecahedron, since I hadn't heard anything about the energetic properties of it. I looked up and sitting on the dashboard was a dodecahedron-shaped die from a role-playing game (we don't have any of those in the house). When I got home there was an email from a friend mentioning that the platonic solids were important in understanding this research. I did a websearch for platonic solids and the first hit was a website of a new ager who was healing people by putting them in a copper-frame dodecahedron! :-) > > >It likes to connect two things that are similar or related. This is shown > >in radionics or sympathetic magic. > > Funny you should say it that way; John W. Campbell used to call the H. > device "electronic black magic". The connection is clear in my mind. > > > For instance, Pavlita's psychotronic generators seem > >to embody the sorts of "environments" that this living thing prefers-- > >beautiful, well-made devices composed of high-quality materials, platonic > >solids, etc. > > It's also possible these clean-edged, simple (geometry-wise) devices are > just less "confusing" for the X. Much like the nature of reality-creation through visualization. It DOES work, but not if you have a vague, fuzzy idea of what you want, or if you keep changing it all the time. > Not being an anthromorphist (just made that up) I believe X was here first, > and we can access directly some limited part which we happen to "resonate" > with; whether that depends on physical structure (brain, etc.) or attitude > (meditation, etc.) or some combination, I do not know. That's another > notoriously difficult area to do experiment replication in. I also think it > is involved in most or all non-organic physics, perhaps in "degraded" form, > as EM, thermodynamics, etc. I agree. The X-energy is mind-like, which is what makes mind possible. It is matter-like, which is what makes matter possible. I believe consciousness in itself is not physical. Without the X-energy it would not be able to interact with matter. > > >It follows instructions. It is "in-formed". It exists most densely in > >intelligent design. It follows the pattern of thought, even if the thought > >is put into a material form. > > It is extremely important IMHO to continue to investigate the > "non-intelligent" manifestations as well, to get the attention (in the 2x4 > sense) of the ortho-scientists. But if we avoid aspects of reality which are not "intelligent" we will have little left to study :-) I admire your desire to get scientists to pay attention, and that is certainly a worthy goal, but it doesn't interest me personally. My natural inclination (though I managed to supress it pretty well on the list for a while) is to believe in EVERYTHING until proven otherwise. To me the percentages are better than believing in NOTHING until it is proven true. My guiding philosophy is pragmatic: I am much more interested in what is useful than what is true. For instance, believing in spirit guides who give me information is useful-- if the information is useful. I couldn't care less whether they "really" exist or not-- according to who? Of course, the question of what is useful requires reality testing as rigorous as any experiment. This of course makes me the farthest thing from scientific...c'est la vie :-) I still like it better on this list than the new age ones, the fluffy language and imprecision of expression there bugs me. > > It will not be based on thermodynamics, because the X-energy is > >not limited by any material. > > Weeellll......yes and no. It does have its preferences. Copper is a better > conductor, silk works almost as well, lead not worth a darn....and there IS > the "sympathetic" aspect. The bit about lead is a new one on me, that's really interesting. for some reason that reminds me of the rumors that Moray's device had a mixture of radium and lead in it. Good to hear from someone who has had experinces with the H-device and other things. Maybe you could go into more specifics about your own experiments, I think it would be very interesting. Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Nov 18 23:36:38 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA00263; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 23:35:07 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 23:35:07 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711190430.UAA12914@mailtod-122.bryant.webtv.net> From: leelouden@webtv.net (Lee Louden) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 20:30:04 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Beauty and the Machine Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"LkaMr1.0.04.eQfSq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2223 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Fred, Just out of curiosity, what part of the country do you reside in? Lee From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Nov 18 23:38:57 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA06686; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 23:38:43 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 23:38:43 -0800 Message-Id: <199711190631.WAA19725@mailtod-121.bryant.webtv.net> From: leelouden@webtv.net (Lee Louden) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 22:31:00 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: "you wouldn't believe the things I believe" Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"MeH3W.0.Fe1.1UfSq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2224 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Some of us might surprize you Fred. Most of when we were kids never voiced thoughts or ideas which we thought were wierd or unpopular because we never heard anyone else talk about them. How we know that 99% of weren't feeling exactly the same? Wierd Lee From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Nov 18 23:49:19 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA08106; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 23:49:05 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 23:49:05 -0800 Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 00:49:02 -0700 (MST) From: Steve Ekwall X-Sender: ekwall2@november To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Beauty and the Machine In-Reply-To: <971119000524_-1541742995@mrin86.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"0swvR3.0.Z-1.mdfSq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2225 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Wed, 19 Nov 1997 MFergerson@aol.com wrote: -snip- >> You seem to be harking back to the "pilot wave" idea popular >>some decades >>ago.....not investigated fully (to my satisfaction), but getting more >>attention these days re: Quantum mechanics. >>-snip- >> If the X-energy is the "pilot wave" common to various forms of EM, heat, >>light, etc., as well as whatever it is we're trying to tap mechanically, it >>might be non-3D in origin, and manifest constant "C" only when projected into >>local 3D space. Gonna make the math VERY difficult, but possibly easier to >>visualize. >>-snip- >>>It will travel with an energy to a particular point, then disengage from it >>>and move to another form of energy, but always staying with the highest >>>energy flow. >>-snip- >> "Path of least resistance"? Perhaps following an established flow is simply >>connecting 4D- or 5D-dots. -snip- >> Sounds like 'evanescent wave coupling' to me, now that I've read about >>it....more known EM behavior (but still fairly weird). >> >>> The structure of the device represents a concrete >>>pattern of intention which is "tracked" by the energy. >>>It likes regular geometrical shapes, whether two or three dimensional. >> Four? Five? >> All in all, a lot to think about. Any thought-forms, anyone? >> Mark >> 'thought-form:' is your X-Energy = to Ross' Soliton Aether? in attached depleted/clumped for connectivity (memory) or your knowing were it *needs* to go? (through the mirror). Slinkies (Coil-Toy) have an 'appearance' of memory for were it wants to go, however the above doesn't seem to explain the concentration of 'the coil' (tight), nor the edges and the coils passing of X-energy to a next(?) (fully stretched) coil. Looks good though for all reactions within/between its ends. (wave). just a thought form :) -=se=- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 19 00:02:01 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA02868; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 00:01:37 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 00:01:37 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711190800.AAA10997@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: Beauty and the Machine Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 11:42:35 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"raHjU2.0.hi.VpfSq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2226 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Lee! > > Hi Fred, > Just out of curiosity, what part of the country do you reside in? I live in a little town called Mt. Vernon, in the rain belt about 60 miles N of Seattle. I also live part of the week in the back of my used bookstore in Seattle. Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 19 00:45:27 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA14895; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 00:43:52 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 00:43:52 -0800 Message-Id: <199711190843.AAA14943@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: "you wouldn't believe the things I believe" Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 12:42:22 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"cfyZy3.0.ee3.6RgSq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2227 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Lee! > Some of us might surprize you Fred. Most of when we were kids never > voiced thoughts or ideas which we thought were wierd or unpopular > because we never heard anyone else talk about them. How we know that 99% > of weren't feeling exactly the same? > > Wierd Lee Well, let's give it a swing since I have no credibility to lose anyway :-) I believe with a fair degree of certainty that: Extraterrestrials are visiting earth in large numbers, as well as other beings that don't fit that definition. Some of them look exactly like us and walk our streets with us. There are many other types, including the so-called greys, which are actually several different types. Our governments collaborate with them in underground bases scattered all over the world, which are connected by high-speed tube trains. There is an inner structure to our government which amounts to a secret world government, although it is not as unitary, or as evil, as some conspiracy researchers believe. Our present civilization is only the last of many advanced civilizations to inhabit this earth, for millions of years. Not all of them have been human. One of them re-engineered the solar system, and put the Moon into place, among other things. Some of the ancient sites were created by them (or were sponsored by them) and are at least 70,000 years old. Some have evolved beyond the human level and are out in space (and on the hollow Moon :-) and in other dimensions watching us, assisting us, and waiting for us to catch up. I personally meet these beings in dreams (and once, in my back yard) and they give me hints and ideas. There is also a civilization of nonhumans living within the Earth, which is also hollow on one "level" of reality. God, or all that is, as I prefer to call it, is a very real "being" who assists us through projected energies we call angels. We reincarnate, but that these "other lives" exist simultaneously with this one. We also exist in parallel or probable Earths where our lives (and history) have taken different courses. Everything is alive, conscious, and intelligent. We personally create everything that happens to us within the context of the "rules" of physical reality, though clearly not on a conscious level. Dreams are as physically real as what we call reality, or reality is as UNreal as dreams, take your pick. Another way of putting it is, there is no such thing as objective reality. Vaccinations are harmful to the immune system. Well, that's a start...let it be understood that I don't want to argue any of these points with anyone. Those who think I am cracked will go on thinking that. I can't guarantee that I will participate in discussions on any of these topics, as I am very busy right now. You can blame Lee for egging me on :-) Let it be said for the record that I am of above average intelligence according to rather extensive testing, have no mental illness (not that I'm totally sane, who is?), no addictions other than to chocolate :-), that I was a chinese linguist for the US military at one point (I've forgotten it all now), and that I have successfully run a large bookstore for 12 years, have a happy, healthy family life, and only work 3 days a week :-) Not to brag, but just to illustrate that one can have a rather unusual belief system and function quite well in society. I look really normal too, no big crystals hanging around my neck, and flowing robes, not my style :-) Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 19 01:05:12 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA07523; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 01:04:52 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 01:04:52 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711190904.BAA18630@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: Beauty and the Machine Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 13:02:49 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"RLTEm1.0.Nr1.nkgSq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2228 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Steve! > 'thought-form:' is your X-Energy = to Ross' Soliton Aether? May be. My model is far less rigorous than even Ross's, and that's the way I want it. It is more like an artist's sketch for a series of possible paintings than a finished painting. in > attached depleted/clumped for connectivity (memory) or your knowing > were it *needs* to go? (through the mirror). Slinkies (Coil-Toy) have an > 'appearance' of memory for were it wants to go, however the above doesn't > seem to explain the concentration of 'the coil' (tight), nor the edges and > the coils passing of X-energy to a next(?) (fully stretched) coil. Looks > good though for all reactions within/between its ends. (wave). Not sure I get what you're saying...the slinky squeeze/soliton is a good model, but I don't relate to it so much as the idea that the universe is an infinitely extended infinitely parallel processing computer, where the "memory" bits don't move or change, and all are equally connected. A particular reality or identity is a choice as to which dots to connect... Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 19 03:04:34 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA25357; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 03:04:20 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 03:04:20 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971119190411.0069d67c@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> X-Sender: jwinter@cyllene.uwa.edu.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 19:04:11 +0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: John Winterflood Subject: Re: Back On-Line In-Reply-To: <34726FEA.C82B609C@microtronics.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"7gofp1.0.2C6.pUiSq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2229 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Welcome back Greg, we have missed you. Greg writes: > >I have received 4 of the final SMOT Mk4 bases. They look GOOD... Actually I don't think that people are so interested in what they LOOK like! ;) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 19 05:29:19 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA06960; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 05:27:03 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 05:27:03 -0800 From: JNaudin509@aol.com Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 08:25:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971119082555_1846268391@mrin38> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com cc: jdecker@keelynet.com Subject: Electrogravitics : The Rambaut's spinning ball experiment Resent-Message-ID: <"QvPKO3.0.fi1.bakSq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2230 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi All, Today, I have tested successfully, the Rambaut's spinning ball experiment. The experiment is so simple that anyone can repeat it in his garage and convince himself of the veracity of our assertion concerning the existence of the spontaneous force. It suffices to connect a car battery with wires to the metallic ball. One must use very thin wires in order to provide the necessary resistance to avoid short-circuit the battery. Moreover, the fineness and the flexibility of the wires which must be hung from the ceiling prevent any mechanical coupling through an heating process between the wires and the ball (m = 0.7 Kg). As soon as the current is turn on, one can see, if the experiment is properly done, a rotation of the ball. These effects can certainly not result from any wind effect or induction effects.To increase the translation effect, one can oscillate the D. C. voltage in phase with the oscillatory motion of the pendulum. The fact that the amplitude of the oscillatory motion increases is a proof that the spontaneous force is an external force whose work increases the kinetic energy of the pendulum as anybody who has played with a swing in his youth knows very well." You will find all diagrams, pictures and details about this experiment at : http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/jlnaudin/html/rambspin.htm More to come soon about Electrogravitics.....stay tuned.... I hope that this will interest you, Sincerely, Jean-Louis Naudin ( France / GMT+1 ) 11/19/97 - 13:15GMT Email : JNaudin509@aol.com my Overunity WEB Server : http://members.aol.com/JNaudin509/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 19 09:10:47 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA15589; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 09:10:30 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 09:10:30 -0800 Message-Id: Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Frank C. Earl" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 11:19:41 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: "you wouldn't believe the things I believe" Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.42a) Resent-Message-ID: <"Vsqh03.0.Up3.5snSq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2231 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > Some of us might surprize you Fred. Most of when we were kids never > voiced thoughts or ideas which we thought were wierd or unpopular > because we never heard anyone else talk about them. How we know that 99% > of weren't feeling exactly the same? The fact that most of us subscribe to this list should be indicative of this. I mean, this is a list discussing over-unity technologies. Over-unity traditionally is associated with "perpetual motion" and is derided as a delusional persuit. It's "wierd". I've had some ideas that were "wierd" in the electronics field when I was a child- only to have someone do them as something commercial years after I had the ideas. An example of this is that cute "videocamera", the PXL-2000 that Fisher Price came out with years ago. I had an idea about doing something like this back when I was 10. It came out when I was, I think, 14. Because of this experience, I pursue as many of the "wierd" ideas I come up with and that others come up with as I can- you plain flat don't know what will come of it. -- Frank C. Earl Earl Consulting Services ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Pursuant to USC 47, there is a $500 per incident charge for each and every piece of Unsolicited Commercial Email (UCE) sent to this or any of my other addresses. 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From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 19 09:36:52 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA20132; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 09:35:59 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 09:35:59 -0800 Message-Id: <199711191735.JAA29080@mailtod-121.bryant.webtv.net> From: leelouden@webtv.net (Lee Louden) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 09:35:45 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: "you wouldn't believe the things I believe" Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"88pwi2.0.Mw4.zDoSq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2232 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Ah Ha, Just as I suspected Fred, We are not very different at all, I have no problem whatever with anything you just wrote. Speaking of E.T.'s amoung us, a friend and I went to see the movies Contact and Men in Black on the same day (enjoyed them both) we agreed with each other that MIB, though presented as comedy, revealed more truth than Contact. I was part of a very active UFO study group in Santa Cruz for years and have also worked with abductees and hypnotherapists. I have personally met many of the well known researchers in the field, like, Strieber, Hoagland, Bob Dean, William Cooper, Fred Bell, John Lear, Michael Lindiman, and many more. I have read all of Sitchin's books (oh yeah I met him too) and I accept the Sumerian writings as being based on fact, but I never assumed for a moment that this was telling the whole story of human civilization, only a little piece to add to the great jig-saw puzzle of our past. I personally have spontaneously recalled several other lives, I know who I was then and what I learned from those experiences. I even know why I was "shown" those particular experiences. I am still having a difficult time with the concept of living all of our lives simultaneously. I know that "time" as we understand it now, does not exist in other dimensions. but there seems to be such a thing as sequence, I'm still working on that. Re the moon, Richard C. Hoagland was the guy who convinced me that our moon was engineered and manouvered into it's present orbit. I am gradually getting a handle on other dimensions and how they exist all around us. I also believe that we have the capacity to be able to perceive all of them directly once we learn how. A good way to think about this is to get a spectrum frequency chart and hang it up on the wall (there is one avail. from Edmund Scientific) look at the band called "Light" and observe what a tiny portion of the spectrum. Then imagine what you might see if you could see in the all of those other frequency ranges. I also agree that our dreams are a very important part of our reality. I have two business partners and one of them teaches classes on lucid dreaming and the three of us spend a lot of time discussing our dreams. We have some really wild ones! Maybe we will get to meet one of these days Fred. I have an old friend living in Port Orchard who has been trying to get me up there for a visit. I would like to do that one of these days as I have never been in Washington state. I officially live in Santa Cruz but since I (just recently) started setting up this lab in nearby Felton, I spend most of my time here. I also have a friend who owns a book store near here. You probably know of him, Tom Davis. He claims to be retired now and has officially turned the store over to his son Jeff but Tom still spends a lot of time there. He also has more books in his house than he has in the store. I enjoy comparing these little Notes-on-life, Best Regards, Lee From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 19 11:31:03 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA06717; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 11:30:21 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 11:30:21 -0800 Message-Id: <199711191929.OAA08610@csrlink.net> From: "Jim Shaffer, Jr." To: Subject: Re: Beauty and the Machine Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 11:20:08 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"abXt62.0.qe1.BvpSq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2233 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > > Also Drown, who actually produced photographs of distant targets. > > Unfortunately, her experiments haven't been replicated to the best of > > my knowledge. > > Has anybody tried? Somebody must have, because everybody says that the machine only worked for her, whereas a Hieronymous machine is supposed to work for almost anybody. > I took a look at that guy's website and it seemed like he was a tad full of > himself. He said the mailing list was to magnify his magnificence or > something like that... was he kidding? Why do I not think so? :-) Since I've been on Cosimano's mailing list, he hasn't even posted to it. "There are four kinds of people in this world: cretins, fools, morons, and lunatics." --Umberto Eco From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 19 12:14:53 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA26311; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 12:13:41 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 12:13:41 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711192012.MAA09648@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: Beauty and the Machine Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 00:11:05 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"d32dx3.0._Q6.nXqSq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2234 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Jim! > > > Also Drown, who actually produced photographs of distant targets. > > > Unfortunately, her experiments haven't been replicated to the best > of > > > my knowledge. > > > > Has anybody tried? > > Somebody must have, because everybody says that the machine only worked > for her, whereas a Hieronymous machine is supposed to work for almost > anybody. Hmm. Another big gap in knowledge, "everybody says". I'll have to root around and find the (probably) one person who tried it and didn't get results. > Since I've been on Cosimano's mailing list, he hasn't even posted to > it. Oh, OK, then he was probably joking. I'll sign up... Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 19 14:13:05 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA13935; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 14:04:59 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 14:04:59 -0800 (PST) From: MFergerson@aol.com Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 17:02:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971119170236_-464075179@mrin58.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Beauty and the Machine Resent-Message-ID: <"859-T.0.XP3.4AsSq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2235 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hey Fred You wrote: >Maybe we can just call it an H-device. Works for me. My fingers thank you ;>) >> In fact, all the properties you have described seem to have something >in >> common with EM. > >There's no question that there is a connection. But is EM a subset of X, >or is X a subset of EM? I'm inclined to think the latter. Actually, in that vein, I'm inclined to go with the Unification types who think all four fundamental fields (strong and weak Nuclear, EM, Gravity) are different manifestations of the same force under different conditions. It may yet turn out that our X-force is the Superforce, as it interacts with Mind (as opposed to non-sentient matter). In my experience, Mind can be imbued into, and withdrawn from, any matter at all, as long as a direct connection can be established. In that sense, I do not think rocks, for instance, are sentient in the same way as you and I. That's how (I think) the H-device works...you imbue some of your own consciousness into the circuit, and it does what it can. Withdraw all attention from it, and it don't work nearly as well. >I think we are a long way from having such a mathematical basis. I suspect >it is on the same order as creating a model of joy, or love-- not >impossible, but distinctly unlikely. Hmm.... symbolic logic, maybe? In my (limited) experience with 'higher' math, any arithmetic system (from one-two-three through differential calculus to spinors and beyond) can be represented symbolically (usually takes more space, but is very precise) and, any mathematician will gladly tell you it's not 'dry' or 'boring', but positively emotionally satisfying (they commonly report 'religious' grade experience when confronting 'beautiful' math). We need a professional (open-minded) mathematician on tap for this. Representing 'Love' should be on a par with 'attraction', 'Joy' with, say, charge neutralization or some such. A coherent symbolism could then be restated in terms compatible with EM, giving us a 'bridge' from one system to the other. It's liable to be peppered with terms like 'contagion' and 'similarity', though. > On the other hand, it seems like the >groundwork has been laid for describing how the energy will interact with >electromagnetism. This puts me in mind of Tesla generating thunderstorms without knowing formulas for resonance- 'hands-on' knowledge can help generate parts of a good theory, but large areas will go unnoticed without 'pointers' a (semi)complete theory can provide. >Well, how about if I push it a little and say the energy has awareness and >preference? In line with what I said above re: non-sentient matter, it may be just a matter of degree- some folks still won't attribute 'human' emotions to their cats (mine have carefully taught me otherwise). Come to think of it, that's an excellent example- few will dispute that hate for me is the same as hate for you (based on biochemistry), and the biochemistry is damn near identical for any mammal, so does 'similarity' ring a bell? >I'm only vaguely familiar with the concept, something De Broglie came up >with? No question in my mind that it operates in more than three spatial >dimensions. I'm not sure how a pilot wave would explain the such things as >the storage of the energy in water, unless you imagine some sort of >"standing pilot wave" --beyond me... DeBroglie's 'pilot wave' was an extradimensional 'leader' (as in lightning) that told the matter waves where to go and how to get there. Also governed the equivalents of reflection and diffraction, depending on interference with other matter waves already present, so 'standing waves' sorta makes sense (hmmm....cavity resonators for matter waves? artificial black holes?). Recently incorporated into QM to get rid of 'advanced' and 'retarded' waves, not universally accepted. >I think the "mechanical" part is the important thing for practical >purposes. We don't need to know the whole scheme of how it works if we can >experiment and find mechanical resonances generated in crystals by X under >certain conditions.. Exactly the point of this group, no? Still, would be nice to have coherent theory to explain and predict anomalies in an anomalous field...... >Any theory has to account for this "purely informational" connection. >I described in an earlier post my rudimentary (and not original) theory of >how reality comes to be: >Consciousness ---> physical reality templates -----> X-energy ----> >physical reality. The radionics machine is working on the template level, >which is purely informational, as well as the x-energy level. >I think we can reduce confusion if we use this model as an operating >assumption. That's more or less what I meant by 'attention' above. The more precise the intent used, the better the result. Hence the utility of photographs. I think you should insert a step 'Focused Intent' between Consciousness and templates above. It is essential. It is as if the information must be 'encoded' by conscious intent into a form coincident with the aspect of the target to be affected. The famous corn-borer experiments showed this, as the toxin used could have killed the corn, but that wasn't the intent. >Well, I suppose you could come up with EM analogs for almost any part of >the observed phenomenon, but this seems to me to get to the point of the >blind men describing the elephant, one feeling the leg and saying it is a >tree, etc. My feeling is we're all not just blind, but deaf as well, and trying to compare our findings in sign language designed for explaining recipes..... > Yes, each part of the X-energy can be modelled as an EM >phenomena, but NO EM energy can go through TRANSLATION from one of these >modes to the other without special equipment. If you attach a wire to the >end of a magnet, the X-energy of the magnet obligingly goes through the >wire. And a 'free' photon can be trapped in a wire as a potential wave and vice versa, so? OTOH, strictly speaking, a 'skilled practicioner' needs NO hardware at all to do magic...generate the thought-form, feed it energy (preferably strong emotion) and send it on its way. Talismans and Rituals aren't really essential. (Yes, I know, way off-topic for the group at large, but it bears on the discussion at hand.) But a well-built H-device sure helps. >Presumably, if you coiled the end of the wire and put it in front of a >lamp, the x would become part of the light and radiate away. Oooh, I haven't tried that one, thanks! >My basic point in my post is that the X-energy behavior is less rule-based. > It has many more degrees of freedom than EM does. >It does what you want it do. It is more like an image visualized in the >mind than a lawful physical force. Mmmmm....I quibble slightly. Different force, different situation, different rules. More degrees of freedom...okaaaay. Still, consistent behavior under similar circumstances implies SOME rules. For instance, good visualization, good effect. >But there appears to be a continuum between totally "free", imaginative, >aesthetic, structuring on one end of the spectrum to a very close analog to >EM on the other. This corresponds to my reality-creating scheme above. Yeah, and consensus reality is like unto the presence of matter waves interfering with what we wish to occur.... > The EM-analog end is what has been called "etheric" energy in descriptions of >the human aura, an energy "close to physical form" in metaphysical terms. >This appears to be what is emitted as a natural force from magnets, >crystals, etc. That would correspond to what I termed 'non-sentient matter'; present in the X-energetic sense, but devoid of active, independent intent.... >> > The structure of the device represents a concrete >> >pattern of intention which is "tracked" by the energy. >> >It likes regular geometrical shapes, whether two or three dimensional. >> >> Four? Five? > >How about infinite? Earlier I described a concept where the energy was >seen as infinitesimal units in an infinite-dimensional "packing" such that >every unit was close-packed with every other unit. So.... energy transfers are determined by the geometric 'match' between source and sink? Mediated by the geometry of the space between them, as influenced by other, competing fields, etc.? (Works with radio antennas...) >Are the correct dimensions for the H device the ones that Hieronymus >describes in his patent? Or the ones that Campbell describes in his paper >version? How did they arrive at these? Funny you should ask... I saw the article by Campbell first, then the patent drawings.(This was the reason I asked about antenna geometries other than the spiral H. described) I got very good results following the patent, less definite (but still noticeable) with the Campbell India-ink/silk cord version. Still not sure why, maybe too many conversions between modes supported by different materials? Re: the dodecahedron story, coincidence, or synchronicity? >> It's also possible these clean-edged, simple (geometry-wise) devices >are >> just less "confusing" for the X. > >Much like the nature of reality-creation through visualization. It DOES >work, but not if you have a vague, fuzzy idea of what you want, or if you >keep changing it all the time. Yes, exactly! We seem to be saying the H-device is simply a 'narrow-focusing reality recreator'. (Eloptic spectacles?) >But if we avoid aspects of reality which are not "intelligent" we will have >little left to study :-) All I meant was any finished product must operate as advertised whether the tester believes or not. If a FE device is operator-thought-form dependent, a skeptic will not be able to get it to work ( might even be able to 'break' it through simple doubt ). A properly applied 2x4 (between the eyes) will convince anybody. Re: belief systems, well, that's why it's called 'belief'. Physical hardware needs no belief, only unbiased, honest observation. (I believe) >This of course makes me the farthest thing from scientific...c'est la vie >:-) I still like it better on this list than the new age ones, the fluffy >language and imprecision of expression there bugs me. Yeah, if we're gonna build sand castles, let's put some portland cement into the mix, eh? >The bit about lead is a new one on me, that's really interesting. for some >reason that reminds me of the rumors that Moray's device had a mixture of >radium and lead in it. My first attempt at copying Campbell's silk/India ink version used fine solder, as I had no silk or India ink until later. I figured, solder's a conductor, right? Wrong. Not in this application. Some folks think it's because lead is toxic, thus doesn't 'resonate' well with human thought-forms. >Good to hear from someone who has had experinces with the H-device and >other things. Maybe you could go into more specifics about your own >experiments, I think it would be very interesting. Unfortunately, this was before I had heard of the 'keep a notebook' step of the Scientific Method. I do have some sketches from that period, kinda fuzzy. Mostly I just let inspiration be my guide. BTW, who was it mentioned the quartz bead on the wire in front of the prism/lens? I'm trying to design a miniaturized (surface-mount) cross between the H-device and a derivative of the Neurophone (Yes, I always wanted to be a Lensman. So sue me.). The optical component of the H-device is very difficult to miniaturize, and I could really use some pointers. Mark From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 19 14:15:56 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA16061; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 14:15:15 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 14:15:15 -0800 (PST) From: MFergerson@aol.com Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 17:12:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971119171244_528505177@mrin41.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Beauty and the Machine Resent-Message-ID: <"7RGRJ1.0.mw3.dJsSq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2236 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Steve, you wrote: >'thought-form:' is your X-Energy = to Ross' Soliton Aether? in >attached depleted/clumped for connectivity (memory) or your knowing >were it *needs* to go? (through the mirror). Slinkies (Coil-Toy) have an >'appearance' of memory for were it wants to go, however the above doesn't >seem to explain the concentration of 'the coil' (tight), nor the edges and >the coils passing of X-energy to a next(?) (fully stretched) coil. Looks >good though for all reactions within/between its ends. (wave). > >just a thought form :) >-=se=- I must admit total ignorance of Ross' Soliton Aether (I despise ignorance, especially mine. Got a URL I can research it at?) But I do know a bit from solitons, so I see the connection. The rest of your post was so information-dense I can't quite decipher it. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 19 15:39:51 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA00797; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 15:39:05 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 15:39:05 -0800 Message-Id: <199711192338.PAA18955@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: "Free Energy" , "Byrun Fox" Subject: Re: Solar Harness Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 03:38:24 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"xvMJ82.0.LC.NYtSq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2237 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Byrun, sorry I didn't get back to you sosoner, I missed your letter in the torrent of mail I've been getting recently. I've taken the liberty of posting my reply on the list in case anyone else is interested. The Solar Harness patent is on the IBM patent server at: http://patent.womplex.ibm.com/details?patent_number=5009243 There is also a page on it on the Keelynet site, at: http://keelynet.com/energy/peteamp.htm > > I have the first couple of pages of the one you quoted. I have some very > powerful neodymium iron boron magnets and think it is a very interesting concept > > Do you have the complete patent, do they use standard silcon solar cells. > Sounds very strange, are the magnet pack with cells like a Denver sandwich? Yes they are in alternating layers, but the magnets are smaller than the photocells, so some of the surface of the inside cells is still exposed to the sun. Barker says the type of solar cells and the type of magnets is not critical. The more powerful the magnets the higher the voltage generated. He says the magnets may improve the performance of the solar cells for these reasons (I've put comments afterwards) 1) The movement of photons toward a given solar cell surface. Photons are not affected by a magnetic field, except for the Faraday effect, where the polarization is changed. 2) The bending of electrons which might otherwise miss the surface toward the solar cell itself. What electrons? Static electricity in the air? Solar cells wouldn't convert these anyway... 3) The movement of unabsorbed photons passing through a given solar cell toward the surface of the next adjacent solar cell. Again, the magnets don't affect photons in terms of bending. If they did, you could bend a light beam with a magnet! If Barker's results are correct, and there is even the SLIGHTEST increase in solar efficiency with a magnet nearby, I can only conclude that a different energy is involved. It cannot be electrons, because AFAIK they are not absorbed by solar cells, at least not low energy ones. It cannot be photons because they are not affected by magnets, at least not the way they would need to be. The Odic force described by Reichenbach, and the "tiny particles" described by Tesla, and the Prana described by the ancient Indians appear to be equivalent descriptions of a force that emanates from the sun. This force is likely to be electrically neutral (otherwise it would show up on instruments) but still focussed by magnets. This fits the description given by Reichenbach, Gallimore and others. There is also the factor that Barker says the performance improves when put in a chamber of inert gas. The connection between inert gases and the Odic force (or something similar) has already been made by a researcher named John Fox, at: http://www.hilarion.com/igd.html xenon gas appears to work best, according to both Fox and Barker. There is also a description of an obscure device called the New Age Battery, given in a book by Jorge Resines, that was channelled by some ET contactees in the 50's. It uses layers of Bismuth Selenide, Magnesium, and magnetic iron, and supposedly drew energy from the sun and the earth's magnetic field. Of course these associations don't prove anything except that there is a fertile field for research here. I think it would be pretty easy to follow up on the research already done and come up with a Solar Odic Converter. Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 19 17:15:56 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA18402; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 17:14:32 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 17:14:32 -0800 Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 20:11:04 -0800 From: francis x roarty Subject: Re: Solar Harness To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Cc: Byrun Fox Reply-to: froarty@motown.lmco.com Message-id: <3473B858.4C77@motown.lmco.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <199711192338.PAA18955@mail1.halcyon.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"quCY53.0.HV4.sxuSq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2238 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: related article: ANN ARBOR---Imagine your roof covered with a thin film of organic molecules busily converting sunlight into electricity. Visualize tiny molecular flashlights illuminating the DNA of living cells. Picture microscopic optical sensors that change color when exposed to trace amounts of chemicals. Science fiction? Scientists at the University of Michigan and the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign don't think so. They have developed a new class of large dendrimer supermolecules which, they say, could one day be used for all these applications and more. "Normally, light energy disperses randomly throughout a molecule," said Raoul Kopelman, the U-M's Kasimir Fajans Professor of Chemistry, Physics and Applied Physics. "But these molecules have a specific tree-like structure which allows them to funnel light energy through the branches and direct it to a central point." When photons of ultraviolet light hit a group of light-harvesting atoms on a branch of one of these supermolecules, the absorbed energy travels down the branch in the form of energy packets called excitons. Losing a small amount of energy at each branching point, excitons keep falling toward the center of the molecular tree until they finally drop, one at a time, into a molecular "trap," which is attached to the dendrimer's center. In the "nanostar"---the most optimally designed version of these dendrimers to be developed so far---photosensitive molecules in the trap convert exciton energy back into visible light with up to 99 percent efficiency. "It works like a miniature quantum well in a semiconducting circuit," said Stephen F. Swallen, U-M postdoctoral fellow in chemistry. "The excitons don't have the extra energy to climb back up the molecule, so they just keep falling into the trap." Synthesized from repeating molecular units called phenylacetylene monomers, which branch out from a central core, dendrimers are among the largest structurally controlled organic molecule ever created, according to Jeffrey S. Moore, professor of chemistry at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. The biggest molecule they have synthesized so far contains 127 chromophores or light-harvesting units. Each dendrimer is custom-made by Moore and his colleagues to Kopelman's specifications to produce different chemical and physical properties for different applications. One of the most significant properties of the new molecules is their ability to resist photobleaching. "Anyone who has ever had a sweater fade or disintegrate after exposure to sunlight has experienced photobleaching," Kopelman said. "Molecules can only absorb and emit photons a limited number of times before they fall apart. Photobleaching is a particularly important factor for these dendrimers, because they interact with light very strongly." Their specific chemical composition and physical structure make it possible for the dendrimers to resist photobleaching, according to Swallen. "While most organic molecules will decompose if multiple excitons are concentrated at the same spot, the nanostar can protect itself by diverting some excess energy away from the center back to the outer parts of the dendrimer," he explained. "Because the molecule is never hit with more energy than it can handle, it lasts much longer than ordinary molecules when exposed to light." Research funding for the project is provided by the National Science Foundation and the Office of Naval Research. Collaborators included Michael R. Shortreed of Iowa State University, Zhong-You Shi of the University of Michigan; Weihong Tan of the University of Florida, Gainesville; Zhifu Xu of PPG Industries; and Chelladurai Devadoss and Pamidighantam Bharathi from the University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 19 17:17:06 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA19289; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 17:15:53 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 17:15:53 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711200112.XAA19645@bigbox.plug-in.com.br> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Marcelo Puhl" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 23:15:56 -3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Cold Fusion Reply-to: mark@plug-in.com.br Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Resent-Message-ID: <"uga-83.0.Gj4.2zuSq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2239 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: What do you think about this : http://www.teleport.com/~singtech/ Marcelo From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 19 18:11:27 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA28340; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 18:08:54 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 18:08:54 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34739B4A.96C76D84@microtronics.com.au> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 12:37:06 +1030 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List Server Freenrg CC: List Server Vortex Subject: Rmog & Smot updates Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"TAqtD3.0.jw6.okvSq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2240 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi All, I have just updated the Smot shipping schedule. You will also find the results of my latest Rmog research which shows that its the Mmf return flux which is responsible for the Rmog operation. Interesting, its also the return flux which allows the ball to exit from the Smot ramp............ -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 19 18:22:54 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA29945; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 18:21:19 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 18:21:19 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711200215.SAA06034@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: "Free Energy" , Subject: Re: Solar Harness Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 05:57:54 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"cpmLa2.0.mJ7.TwvSq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2241 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Francis! Interesting article... I recall a patent from about 1992 that dealt with this idea too. Can't remember much more about it excpet that the guy had started a corp. to develop it. There's obviously plenty that can be done to improve solar cells, this being one example. But the peculiarity of the Solar Harness patent is the claim that magnetic fields can increase the output. How could that happen in terms of conventional physics? Assuming that it is a real effect, is there any conventional explanation that covers it? Fred > > related article: > ANN ARBOR---Imagine your roof covered with a thin film of organic > molecules busily converting sunlight into electricity. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 19 18:42:41 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA03076; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 18:39:12 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 18:39:12 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3473A402.74EB@LCIA.COM> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 21:44:18 -0500 From: B25B@LCIA.COM (RON BRENNEN) Reply-To: B25B@LCIA.COM X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: X Energy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"IdiOA1.0.wl.BBwSq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2242 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Fred, If you include Reichenbach's odic force and prana in your concept of X energy then it can be generated by rapidly moving the hands to gether as if clapping them without touching them. You can feel the energy traveling up your arms. If the index fingers are held about 1/8" apart in the dark you can see a blue flame between them. Ron From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 19 18:52:14 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA04813; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 18:49:02 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 18:49:02 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3473A4EE.D543E562@bway.net> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 21:48:14 -0500 From: Khem Caigan X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Beauty and the Machine References: <971119170236_-464075179@mrin58.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"elzQk.0.5B1.RKwSq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2243 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: MFergerson@aol.com wrote: The optical component of the H-device is very difficult miniaturize, and I could really use some pointers. Mark- There's a great little paperback available from 'Top of the Mountain Publishing', Pinellas Park, Florida 34665-2244, USA. It's 'Mind Machines You Can Build', by G. Harry Stine. Some of you may remember Mr. Stine from the early days of amateur rocketry, and possibly from the article he wrote in the Feb. '55 Popular Mechanics on T.Townshend Brown's electro-gravitic disc experiments. Anyway, he gives the history, theory and nuts-n-bolts of the 'H-machine'. The pick-up coil is 7 turns per inch of #18 wire on 1.5-inch toilet paper core, two inches long. The leads of a 0.01 microfarad capacitor are soldered across the coil to produce a pickup sensor resonant at about 500 kHz. He recommends a prism from Edmund Scientific, but any tiny prism will serve. He also recommends a "National Velvet Vernier Dial" to mount the prism. Although he does give the original vacuum tube amplifier circuit, he gives a more contemporary transistorized version as well, complete with parts list, thus eliminating the need for a 250-volt DC power supply for the vacuum tube version. Good read, neat guy. I'd also like to recommend Philip Emmons Isaac Bonewits 'Real Magic', as being IMHO the best intro to the admittedly 'grey area' of psychotronics, radionics and 'magic' theory and praxis. -Khem From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 19 19:00:33 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA04198; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 18:58:41 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 18:58:41 -0800 X-Sender: warlock@mail.eskimo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199711190800.AAA10997@mail1.halcyon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 18:34:06 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jim Richardson Subject: Re: Beauty and the Machine Resent-Message-ID: <"jyzRv3.0.Q11.WTwSq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2244 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >Hi Lee! >> >> Hi Fred, >> Just out of curiosity, what part of the country do you reside in? > >I live in a little town called Mt. Vernon, in the rain belt about 60 miles >N of Seattle. I also live part of the week in the back of my used >bookstore in Seattle. > >Fred What bookstore is that Fred? (I live in Seattle and actively seek out and haunt used bookstores. sorry for the off topic post.) Jim Richardson Anarchist, pagan and proud of it. http://www.eskimo.com/~warlock From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 19 19:18:26 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA07595; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 19:16:46 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 19:16:46 -0800 X-Sender: rmuha@mail Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19971113.210430.8271.0.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> References: <3463CA47.661E849A@minimal.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 22:16:37 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: ralph muha Subject: Re: Doing physics with quaternions Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Resent-Message-ID: <"nEyoL2.0.as1.TkwSq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2246 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 9:01 PM -0500 11/13/97, steve-nyeoka@juno.com wrote: >I do appreciate the info, as I bought myself a copy of MathCad 6 (student >version- it was on sale at the Va Tech Bookstore) and was planning to do >it myself sometime, looks like someone saved me alot of effort. : ) I would like to see what Ohm's law looks like in quaternions. Bearden has written about that, how something was lost in the process... r From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 19 19:19:12 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA09951; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 19:15:19 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 19:15:19 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: rmuha@mail Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <19971113.210430.8271.0.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> <3463CA47.661E849A@minimal.com> <19971113.210430.8271.0.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 22:13:37 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: ralph muha Subject: Re: Doing physics with quaternions Resent-Message-ID: <"sHxTi.0.OR2.3jwSq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2245 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Bob Paddock wrote: >On Fri, 07 Nov 1997 21:11:19 -0500 ralph muha writes: >>http://world.std.com/~sweetser/quaternions/qindex/qindex.html > > [...] > >The one that you speak of and the one I list above are the >only two I've ever come across on Q.'s. Any one else ever >come across other articles? I found the 'doing physics with' page thru an alta-vista search on 'quaternions'. there was actually quite a bit of stuff, but most of it was either a) quaternions as an abstract mathematical topic, b) quaternion fractal renderings (which look really cool, btw) and c) quaternions as a rotational calculation mechanism for robotics. r From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 19 19:23:28 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA10883; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 19:19:53 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 19:19:53 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: rmuha@mail Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19971117111251.006baf00@palacenet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 22:18:29 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: ralph muha Subject: Re: Voltage multipliers Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Resent-Message-ID: <"yO7ZL3.0.pf2.JnwSq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2247 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 12:12 PM -0500 11/17/97, Jack DeMule wrote: >The three phase 32KV, 25A, assembly looks >like fun....I bet it would cook a turkey >really quick. you saw the 'cooking with HV' then? r From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 19 19:28:38 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA09082; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 19:26:57 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 19:26:57 -0800 X-Sender: rmuha@mail Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199711180750.XAA04093@iceland.it.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 22:26:45 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: ralph muha Subject: Re: Voltage multipliers Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Resent-Message-ID: <"ZH5MX1.0.kD2._twSq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2248 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 2:50 AM -0500 11/18/97, Dave Dameron wrote: >>caps: .068 uf, 400V; diodes: 1N4007 > >BG Micro sells one of these as a kit. There are enough stages to get >"several kV from 117 volts AC". Their web page is www.bgmicro.com. The >capacitors appear to be disk ceramic, 2X20 stages, I guess from a small I'm going to use .1 uf 600V mylars... Mouser sells 1N4007's for $8/100. Looked at All Electronics, figured they'd be cheaper, but they want $12/100... r From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 19 19:35:41 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA12710; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 19:31:18 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 19:31:18 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971119213156.006a86f4@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 21:31:56 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: Re: Beauty and the Machine In-Reply-To: <3473A4EE.D543E562@bway.net> References: <971119170236_-464075179@mrin58.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"ulKoc.0.V63.3ywSq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2249 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 21:48 11/19/97 -0500, Khem Caigan wrote: > There's a great little paperback available from 'Top of the Mountain >Publishing', Pinellas Park, Florida 34665-2244, USA. >It's 'Mind Machines You Can Build', by G. Harry Stine. In the late seventies I bought a book titled "The Black Box Book." It was a compendium of Hieronymous machine plans. I built several, and they do seem to work. I didn't believe any of the explanations, and it was Harry Stine's book that confirmed for me that even the unconventional explanations were all wet. The *symbolic* Hieronymous machine, as described in Mr. Stine's book, works as well as any I have built. Reinmann was right...the universe is formed as we think of it. I can't describe how unsettling the mere existence of such a device is to me. I'm not ready to belive in ET's. Although if god Fred says they exist, I'll keep an open mind. Best Regards, Jack -------------------------------------------------------- E-mail to mules@palacenet.net --------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 19 19:40:26 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA13896; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 19:37:20 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 19:37:20 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: rmuha@mail Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <199711180750.XAA04093@iceland.it.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 22:31:31 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: ralph muha Subject: Re: Voltage multipliers Resent-Message-ID: <"M1itW3.0.1P3.k1xSq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2250 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 4:20 AM -0500 11/18/97, Rick Monteverde wrote: >The MIB like to ratchet up their procrastination rays when you're getting >close on a project like this. I don't know how Jean-Louis does it. :) he probably lives in a Faraday cage... at work, our chief scientist has aluminum foil on his office windows. he says it's to block the heat from the afternoon sun, but then why does he have a 'SPACE ALIENS GO HOME' sign in one window? r From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 19 20:24:57 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA20952; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 20:21:37 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 20:21:37 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: rmuha@mail Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <971119082555_1846268391@mrin38> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 23:20:28 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: ralph muha Subject: Re: Electrogravitics : The Rambaut's spinning ball experiment Resent-Message-ID: <"Kq7Pw.0.H75.DhxSq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2251 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >the spontaneous force. It suffices to connect a car battery with wires to the hmm... All Electronics (www.allcorp.com, in the "what's new" section) has some nice 13V 36A power supplies (taken from RF xmtrs) ... r From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 19 20:50:32 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA24537; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 20:42:19 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 20:42:19 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711200441.UAA13713@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: Beauty and the Machine Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 08:39:52 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"R9hiY1.0.C_5.e-xSq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2252 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Mark! It may > yet turn out that our X-force is the Superforce, as it interacts with Mind > (as opposed to non-sentient matter). I question whether a line can be drawn-- sentient matter on one hand, nonsentient matter on the other. Of course it depends on what you are willing to call mind. In my experience, Mind can be imbued > into, and withdrawn from, any matter at all, as long as a direct connection > can be established. In that sense, I do not think rocks, for instance, are > sentient in the same way as you and I. Of course not in the same sense as you or I. When a plant moves in the direction of the sun, it is our prejudice to say that this is a genetically programmed tropism. I could just as easily say that the plant prefers the sun. If plants moved in the direction of the sun sometimes, but some plants turned away from the sun in a self-destructive way, I suggest we would be having discussions about the nature of plant consciousness! We tend to think that instinctive or programmed behavior is not mindful behavior, but one could just as easily argue that it is MORE mindful to always choose the correct response (the sunlight). If one admits that programmed or instinctive behavior can be sentient behavior of a sort, then I can push the argument further to say that electrons have an "instinct" to follow certain patterns of behavior. They are no less or more mindful in this than the plant's attraction for the sun. Under the proper conditions, the electrons could be convinced to all travel in the same direction down a wire. But we would have to unify our awareness with that of the electrons. The great pyramid was built by priest using sound waves carrying informational structures of X-energy. This information convinced the consciousness of the stone to change its preferred position. The idea that mind is a separate entity distinct from the rest of creation and somehow associated only with the human braincase is a major mental block that prevents us from doing what the ancients did. It is not that we cannot build the devices they did, it is that we cannot THINK the way they did. That's how (I think) the H-device > works...you imbue some of your own consciousness into the circuit, and it > does what it can. Withdraw all attention from it, and it don't work nearly as > well. It certainly works better with human cooperation. An analogy might be a telecope. Both the human eye and a telescope have mechanisms for processing light. The telescope is quite capable of operating without a human observer, but at some point an observation must be made, or the process has no point. > > >I think we are a long way from having such a mathematical basis. I suspect > >it is on the same order as creating a model of joy, or love-- not > >impossible, but distinctly unlikely. > > Hmm.... symbolic logic, maybe? A guy named G. Spencer Brown wrote a book called "The Laws Of Form" a while back (as I recall he was also a pro race car driver!) He seemed to be reaching toward what we are talking about, by going back BEHIND arithmetic, into the rudimentary idea of the act of division of a whole into two parts then considered distinct. His work seemed profound to me, the kind of thing that seems very simple and obviously true until you get to page three, where you cease to understand even the slightest bit :-) This kind of understanding of the basis of "why something rather than nothing" might be getting there. Unfortunately it was beyond me. any mathematician will gladly tell you it's > not 'dry' or 'boring', but positively emotionally satisfying (they commonly > report 'religious' grade experience when confronting 'beautiful' math). I didn't imply that mathematics was a joyless experience, far from it. A coherent symbolism could then be restated in > terms compatible with EM, giving us a 'bridge' from one system to the other. > It's liable to be peppered with terms like 'contagion' and 'similarity', > though. Topology? Some other non-quantitative form? > > > On the other hand, it seems like the > >groundwork has been laid for describing how the energy will interact with > >electromagnetism. > > This puts me in mind of Tesla generating thunderstorms without knowing > formulas for resonance- 'hands-on' knowledge can help generate parts of a > good theory, but large areas will go unnoticed without 'pointers' a > (semi)complete theory can provide. A very spotty, semi-complete theory that's probably wrong but actually points to real experiments is far more valuable than a perfect mathematical or verbal leviathan that crushes the imagination and creates a false sense of relief that "someone somewhere has it all figured out". And by the way, Tesla knew the resonance formulas, he didn't generate any thunderstorms, but he DID observe thunderstorms and discovered the ionospheric resonance because of it. ----- mental picture of Tesla as Thor with lightning bolts in his hands flinging them down on his Colorado Springs neighbors :-) > > >Well, how about if I push it a little and say the energy has awareness and > >preference? > > In line with what I said above re: non-sentient matter, it may be just a > matter of degree- There is a measurement of degrees of freedom of reactivity at the basis of our distinctions of sentience, and an implied time frame. Because a Venus Fly trap closes quickly on a fly we tend to think of it as more aware than other plants that operate more slowly. A rock is as "dumb as a rock" because it moves very.....slowly......to respond to stimuli, and its options appear to be limited. > > DeBroglie's 'pilot wave' was an extradimensional 'leader' (as in lightning) > that told the matter waves where to go and how to get there. Interesting idea, can't really say anything intelligent about it. > Still, would be nice to have coherent > theory to explain and predict anomalies in an anomalous field...... The study of electricity and magnetism began with several hundred years of unconnected observations, didn't it? And the compass was developed and used during this period. > > >Consciousness ---> physical reality templates -----> X-energy ----> > >physical reality. The radionics machine is working on the template level, > >which is purely informational, as well as the x-energy level. > > That's more or less what I meant by 'attention' above. I agree, except that the "attention" can be built into the machine itself. The more precise the > intent used, the better the result. Hence the utility of photographs. I think > you should insert a step 'Focused Intent' between Consciousness and templates > above. It is essential. It is as if the information must be 'encoded' by > conscious intent into a form coincident with the aspect of the target to be > affected. The famous corn-borer experiments showed this, as the toxin used > could have killed the corn, but that wasn't the intent. I agree. This was something I had subsumed in the word consciousness. > > My feeling is we're all not just blind, but deaf as well, and trying to > compare our findings in sign language designed for explaining recipes..... It's not so bad as that, it's just that our habits of thinking, our distinctions of subjective/objective, mind/matter, etc. obscure a subject that is simple in itself. The study of the X-energy is implicitly simpler than the study of EM, analogous to the difference between learning modern improvisational dance and learning classical ballet. There are a lot of rules and do's and don'ts with EM you don't have with X. Granted, there are some very important rules with X but they are fairly straightforward. I think these last posts have expressed about 75% of them. Now, the CONVERSION of X to EM (if conversion is the right term) might be pretty tricky, but there must be ways... . If you attach a wire to the > >end of a magnet, the X-energy of the magnet obligingly goes through the > >wire. > > And a 'free' photon can be trapped in a wire as a potential wave and vice > versa, so? So a photon is coming out of the end of the magnet? Is that "trad" EM? Reminds me of the Gurwitch studies of UV radiation from living cells. OTOH, strictly speaking, a 'skilled practicioner' needs NO > hardware at all to do magic...generate the thought-form, feed it energy > (preferably strong emotion) and send it on its way. Talismans and Rituals > aren't really essential. (Yes, I know, way off-topic for the group at large, > but it bears on the discussion at hand.) But a well-built H-device sure > helps. Well, this is the age of automation.. I was always too lazy for ceremonial magic, all those demon's names to memorize :-) Seriously, I want the magic to make electrons march down the wire. And this is going to take machinery of some sort. It all depends on what you want to do. If you want a cadillac, wicca will do the job, but if you want a car that never need a refill, you've got to put the magic in the car and make it automatic. > > >Presumably, if you coiled the end of the wire and put it in front of a > >lamp, the x would become part of the light and radiate away. > > Oooh, I haven't tried that one, thanks! >From a patent by Delawarr. I came up with a device for enhancing plant growth about 5 years ago that used the flourescence of chlorophyll in UV radiation. The blue light output of the chlorophyll was mixed into a larger beam of light like a homeopathic dilution and shone on the plants. > > >My basic point in my post is that the X-energy behavior is less rule-based. > > It has many more degrees of freedom than EM does. > >It does what you want it do. It is more like an image visualized in the > >mind than a lawful physical force. > > Mmmmm....I quibble slightly. Different force, different situation, > different rules. More degrees of freedom...okaaaay. Still, consistent > behavior under similar circumstances implies SOME rules. For instance, good > visualization, good effect. Some rules, not as many. Practically speaking there are two rules of reality creation: 1) The thought pattern must be as identical to the intended reality as possible. Thus the thought pattern should include the precise sensory patterns and emotional responses of the "real" event. The reason why most things people think don't happen is that their intent is focussed on the WANTING of the thing rather the thing itself. 2) The intended reality must fit into the available physical reality templates. These can vary from place to place and time to time. In most places and times, thinking of walking on fire without getting burned does not lead to this, no matter how clear your visualization. But in a group setting with others maintaining the proper thought pattern, it can happen. What X-energy devices can do is enhance the usage of these two rules. But I argue, and it is really a quibble, that the device can do these things even for a person who is unaware of the device or even the idea of it. > > >But there appears to be a continuum between totally "free", imaginative, > >aesthetic, structuring on one end of the spectrum to a very close analog to > >EM on the other. This corresponds to my reality-creating scheme above. > > Yeah, and consensus reality is like unto the presence of matter waves > interfering with what we wish to occur.... Some of the consensus reality is of human manufacture and are self-imposed limitations, but there is also the basic set of templates we have chosen to work with by being born here, called time, space, matter, and energy, and the rules thereof. > > > The EM-analog end is what has been called "etheric" energy in descriptions > of > >the human aura, an energy "close to physical form" in metaphysical terms. > >This appears to be what is emitted as a natural force from magnets, > >crystals, etc. > > That would correspond to what I termed 'non-sentient matter'; present in > the X-energetic sense, but devoid of active, independent intent.... Perhaps it would be best to say that it is obediant to human intent. It doesn't have a "will of its own". > > >> > The structure of the device represents a concrete > >> >pattern of intention which is "tracked" by the energy. > >> >It likes regular geometrical shapes, whether two or three dimensional. > >> > >> Four? Five? > > > >How about infinite? Earlier I described a concept where the energy was > >seen as infinitesimal units in an infinite-dimensional "packing" such that > >every unit was close-packed with every other unit. > > So.... energy transfers are determined by the geometric 'match' between > source and sink? Mediated by the geometry of the space between them, as > influenced by other, competing fields, etc.? (Works with radio antennas...) Well, basically I am talking about a picture where the energy transfer is 100% all the time, that is the units are ALL THE SAME UNIT on one level. Any consciousness, reality, energy, etc, is a selection of linkages as significant, as "figure" against "ground". The other linkages are still operating, the energy transfer never goes below 100% between any two units in the cosmos, but these othe connections are ignored. It is the DENIAL of many alternate realities that makes a reality. I apologize for the vagueness of my conception. I am making it up as I go along, as you may be able to tell :-) > > >Are the correct dimensions for the H device the ones that Hieronymus > >describes in his patent? Or the ones that Campbell describes in his paper > >version? How did they arrive at these? > > Funny you should ask... I saw the article by Campbell first, then the > patent drawings.(This was the reason I asked about antenna geometries other > than the spiral H. described) I got very good results following the patent, > less definite (but still noticeable) with the Campbell India-ink/silk cord > version. Still not sure why, maybe too many conversions between modes > supported by different materials? If we think of this X as really a spectrum of "energies" (for want of a better word) that range from the matter level to the conscious level, then the solid "patent" version would be more broadband than the "paper" version. > > Re: the dodecahedron story, coincidence, or synchronicity? Of course, synchronicity, its been a long time since I believed in "chance", whatever that is. > > >> It's also possible these clean-edged, simple (geometry-wise) devices > >are > >> just less "confusing" for the X. > > > >Much like the nature of reality-creation through visualization. It DOES > >work, but not if you have a vague, fuzzy idea of what you want, or if you > >keep changing it all the time. > > Yes, exactly! We seem to be saying the H-device is simply a > 'narrow-focusing reality recreator'. (Eloptic spectacles?) OK, here's the core of my difference of opinion, in as pragmatic terms as I can make it. There are certain electromagnetic arrangements that generate large quantities of X-energy without human intervention. For instance, Gallimore describes a special core energized by a HV source that would cause a dowsing rod to deviate at 200 feet. I propose to put a high-energy X source under the control of human intent, to make a "turbo-charged reality creator". A provisional arrangement would be one of these HV coil arrangements with the X-energy (NOT the EM) conducted down a wire which is then wound around the base of a quartz crystal. This crystal would be held in the hand of someone as they operated one of the "narrow-focussed" devices you refer to. The idea is that the raw X energy from the coil will be converted or filtered into a more refined form by the crystal, and since the energy is obediant to the (narrowly-focussed) human intent it will project out from the machine and manifest the desired reality in short order. What I'm suggesting is that all devices so far have operated to change the conditions of my visualization rule #1 above. This high-powered X generator would change the conditions of rule #2, and allow for the possibility of the alteration of the reality templates themselves, including the one that that defines how much time something takes to manifest. The focus still takes place within the mind, but the concentration of energy is supplied automatically by the X-generator. > > >But if we avoid aspects of reality which are not "intelligent" we will have > >little left to study :-) > > All I meant was any finished product must operate as advertised whether the > tester believes or not. If a FE device is operator-thought-form dependent, a > skeptic will not be able to get it to work ( might even be able to 'break' it > through simple doubt ). A properly applied 2x4 (between the eyes) will > convince anybody. If what you have said about the H-machine being simply a way to focus the consciousness of the operator were completely true, then no device of this sort could ever be operated by a sceptic. I think that devices can be built that are powerful and require no human contact after they are turned on-- just like an electric light. A sceptic cannot turn off a light by disbelieving in it. > > Yeah, if we're gonna build sand castles, let's put some portland cement > into the mix, eh? Well, the irony for me is that science arrives at its "realistic" picture of the world by denying about half of human experience. A realistic attitude is not a scientific one. About once a week I get 20-30 customers in my store looking for a book that no one has asked for for years. When I ask them why they want it, most will say, "I dunno, I just felt like reading it.." There's been no advertising, no book clubs, the book is out of print. They don't know each other. Scientifically, I should chalk this up to coincidence, and ignore it as an "artifact". Realistically, I start scrounging up copies of the book after the second person has asked, so I can fill all the orders. Scientifically, I would be broke. Realistically, I make some money. > > > BTW, who was it mentioned the quartz bead on the wire in front of the > prism/lens? That was me... you should have that article by now, funny thing I should send it to you before you asked :-) Let me know if you didn't get it OK. ...but that was just my idea to put it in the H-device... Another interesting post, I'm always long-winded, but you seem to bring out the worst in me :-) Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 19 20:55:21 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA30963; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 20:53:39 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 20:53:39 -0800 Message-ID: <3473C21A.A76E50D@microtronics.com.au> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 15:22:42 +1030 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com CC: List Server Freenrg Subject: Re: Rmog & Smot updates References: <34739B4A.96C76D84@microtronics.com.au> <3473AB7E.797557A6@verisoft.com.tr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"PP3XK3.0.iZ7.I9ySq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2253 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hamdi Ucar wrote: > > Greg Watson wrote: > > > > Hi All, > > > > I have just updated the Smot shipping schedule. > > Hi Greg, > > I read the SMOT status page. News are great. I have a comment about Dremel polishing method. As the Dremel run 15000 to 23000 RPM, any friction, even a cotton is enough to melt the Perspex. It even damage the polycarbonate. I do not recommend using high speed greater than 1000-2000 RPM. Wet polishing with a polishing liquid gives best results. But you need low RPM for do not spread the liquid everywhere. High temperature damages could not be repaired. > > Regards, > > hamdi ucar Hi Hamdi, The CNC guys don't like my project. They get about a 50% reject rate due to polishing faults. I run my Dremel on a variac and control the RPM. I, like you, had a lot of problems polishing. I am making a male mold from one of the really good bases and plan to experiment with Rick's hand mixed urethane's. I have been told that bubbles are a problem to watch for. Any suggestions on using urethanes? -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 19 21:12:15 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA28787; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 21:07:04 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 21:07:04 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: rmuha@mail Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199711181030.CAA07984@mail1.halcyon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 00:06:04 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: ralph muha Subject: Re: Beauty and the Machine Resent-Message-ID: <"_S47z.0.b17.lLySq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2254 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 5:28 PM -0500 11/18/97, Fred Epps wrote: >The X-energy > >--mimics the behavior of light in that it can be refracted, reflected, and >focussed through lenses (Hieronymus) hmmm... this reminds me of some odd results I encountered in some of my scalar detector experiments... as I mentioned in another message, I use a cheap battery powered strobe with a bifilar coil in the discharge path as a scalar signal generator. I actually have two of these. One is in a heavy gauge aluminum box, the other is in its original plastic box with banana jacks added so I can plug in various 'scalar translators'. Early on, I discovered that the flash tube was emitting something. The radiation pattern appeared to be two lobes, coming from the sides of the strobe. When I mentioned this to Bob Shannon, he informed me that (according to Bearden) certain gas plasmas (such as xenon) were scalar translators. Anyway, one night I was experimenting with a bifilar coil that I had wound on a form salvaged from an old Radio Shack tape head demagnetizer. The strobe was on the table, flash tube pointing straight up. The coil was on clip leads about 10" away from the box. I was trying various detectors (ie, capacitors), using a .01 ceramic rather than my usual 1 uf mylar. Quite by accident, I discovered that I could pick up energy directly above the strobe, at a much greater distance (~15") and that the radiation pattern was different, it appeared to coincide with the light from the tube. At first, I thought it was the capacitor, but when I removed the coil, the radiation reverted to the sidelobe pattern. Somehow, the presence of the coil in the discharge path of the flash tube changed and magnified the flash tube's scalar energy. When I told Bob about this, he did not seem surprised. Nor did he offer any explanation. Where the hell is he, anyway? I sure hope the MIB didn't get him... r From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 19 21:15:59 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA03539; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 21:14:19 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 21:14:19 -0800 Message-Id: <199711200514.VAA20870@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: Beauty and the Machine Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 09:00:24 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"78Wg-3.0.0t.fSySq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2255 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Khem, > Good read, neat guy. I'd also like to recommend Philip Emmons Isaac Bonewits > 'Real Magic', as being IMHO the best intro to the admittedly 'grey area' of > psychotronics, radionics and 'magic' theory and praxis. Yes, both GREAT books! Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 19 21:15:59 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA03576; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 21:14:26 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 21:14:26 -0800 Message-Id: <199711200514.VAA22874@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: "Free Energy" , Subject: Re: X Energy Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 08:58:56 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"hfUch.0.et.kSySq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2256 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Ron, > If you include Reichenbach's odic force and prana in your > concept of X energy You bet! then it can be generated by rapidly > moving the hands to gether as if clapping them without > touching them. You can feel the energy traveling up your > arms. If the index fingers are held about 1/8" apart in > the dark you can see a blue flame between them. I haven't seen a flame, but I have felt the "energy ball" between my hands as a sort of rubbery feeling. I have felt energy running up my arms when I picked up certain quartz crystals. Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 19 21:19:32 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA00874; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 21:15:29 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 21:15:29 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711200514.VAA18686@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: Beauty and the Machine Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 09:05:07 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"RLbfJ2.0.YD.jTySq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2257 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Jim! > What bookstore is that Fred? (I live in Seattle and actively seek out and > haunt used bookstores. sorry for the off topic post.) It's called Pegasus Book Exchange, it's in West Seattle. I'm there Thurs-Sat. Come on over anytime. Bring any books you have around to trade, we have a really good trading system. Fred Pegasus Book Exchange 4553 California Ave. SW Seattle, WA. 98116 937-5410 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 19 21:19:40 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA00897; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 21:15:35 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 21:15:35 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711200514.VAA22065@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: Beauty and the Machine Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 09:10:32 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"nLkqF2.0.wD.pTySq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2258 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Jack! > The *symbolic* Hieronymous machine, as described in Mr. Stine's book, > works as well as any I have built. Reinmann was right...the universe > is formed as we think of it. Truer words were never spoken. I can't describe how unsettling the > mere existence of such a device is to me. you'd be a fool if you weren't unsettled, and you ain't no fool :-) > > I'm not ready to belive in ET's. Although if god Fred says they > exist, I'll keep an open mind. > Well, Jack, now that you mention it, I have this cosmogonic transmogrifier I'd like to sell you, blessed by me personally, only 3000 dollars :-) Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 19 21:35:55 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA08490; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 21:34:10 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 21:34:10 -0800 X-Sender: rmuha@mail Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199711200441.UAA13713@mail1.halcyon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 00:33:59 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: ralph muha Subject: Re: Beauty and the Machine Resent-Message-ID: <"_ZE512.0.Z42.HlySq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2259 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 11:39 AM -0500 11/20/97, Fred Epps wrote: >A guy named G. Spencer Brown wrote a book called "The Laws Of Form" a while >back (as I recall he was also a pro race car driver!) YES!!! I read that book, sometime in the mid 70's. He developed a form of complex logic, similar to complex arithmetic, which was capable of resolving those circular paradoxes (eg, the old "the statement on the other of this paper is false" thing) that confound conventional logic... r From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 19 23:11:49 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA17119; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 23:11:24 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 23:11:24 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711200710.XAA15347@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: Beauty and the Machine Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 11:08:39 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"tuBI61.0.OB4.QA-Sq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2260 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Ralph! > >--mimics the behavior of light in that it can be refracted, reflected, and > >focussed through lenses (Hieronymus) > > hmmm... this reminds me of some odd results I encountered in some > of my scalar detector experiments... > > as I mentioned in another message, I use a cheap battery powered > strobe with a bifilar coil in the discharge path as a scalar > signal generator. I actually have two of these. One is in > a heavy gauge aluminum box, the other is in its original > plastic box with banana jacks added so I can plug in various > 'scalar translators'. > > Early on, I discovered that the flash tube was emitting > something. The radiation pattern appeared to be two lobes, > coming from the sides of the strobe. When I mentioned this > to Bob Shannon, he informed me that (according to Bearden) > certain gas plasmas (such as xenon) were scalar translators. Interesting, I just wrote a post about Xenon in the Solar Harness patent, and "etheric" healing devices using inwert gases just this morning... > > Anyway, one night I was experimenting with a bifilar coil > that I had wound on a form salvaged from an old Radio Shack > tape head demagnetizer. The strobe was on the table, flash > tube pointing straight up. The coil was on clip leads about > 10" away from the box. I was trying various detectors (ie, > capacitors), using a .01 ceramic rather than my usual 1 uf > mylar. I don't know about scalar waves, but odic or X-energy is certainly more likely to affect the barium titanate-type ceramic capacitors. > > Quite by accident, I discovered that I could pick up energy > directly above the strobe, at a much greater distance (~15") > and that the radiation pattern was different, it appeared to > coincide with the light from the tube. Yes, X would flow WITH the light. At first, I thought > it was the capacitor, but when I removed the coil, the > radiation reverted to the sidelobe pattern. Somehow, > the presence of the coil in the discharge path of the flash > tube changed and magnified the flash tube's scalar energy. I suspect the same thing would happen if the coil was a normal coil, not bifilar. The X-energy "likes" coils and spirals. In my opinion the shape "structures" or "informs" the energy. > > When I told Bob about this, he did not seem surprised. Nor > did he offer any explanation. Where the hell is he, anyway? > I sure hope the MIB didn't get him... I just wrote to him last night. He is busy with some projects. Although I don't use the scalar terminology, I think it would be accurate to say that Bob and I are thinking along the same lines. Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Nov 20 00:55:03 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA04997; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 00:54:37 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 00:54:37 -0800 Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 01:54:30 -0700 (MST) From: Steve Ekwall X-Sender: ekwall2@november To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com cc: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: ROSS HELP:) Re: Beauty and the Machine In-Reply-To: <971119171244_528505177@mrin41.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"KgmVM1.0.nD1.Ah_Sq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2261 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Wed, 19 Nov 1997 MFergerson@aol.com wrote: >> Steve, you wrote: >>>'thought-form:' is your X-Energy = to Ross' Soliton Aether? in >>>attached depleted/clumped for connectivity (memory) or your knowing >>>were it *needs* to go? (through the mirror). Slinkies (Coil-Toy) have an >>>'appearance' of memory for were it wants to go, however the above doesn't >>>seem to explain the concentration of 'the coil' (tight), nor the edges and >>>the coils passing of X-energy to a next(?) (fully stretched) coil. Looks >>>good though for all reactions within/between its ends. (wave). >>> >>>just a thought form :) >>>-=se=- >> >> I must admit total ignorance of Ross' Soliton Aether (I despise ignorance, >>especially mine. Got a URL I can research it at?) But I do know a bit from >>solitons, so I see the connection. The rest of your post was so >>information-dense I can't quite decipher it. >> Re-reading it myself, I can't blame you. Maybe Ross will step in, (I add a plea for help in the header). I thought, I saw or felt a connection between the X and Aether conversations that had been going on here. Given space-time (as one unit) a solitary wave is a special solution!, and fixed velocity, as in a soliton, should/would require a 'new ' look(law) at things universally. Ross is much better at coherent sentence stucture than I, and is in the process of writting a book about it now. His e-mail is tessien@oro.net. url? Hopefully Ross will read this :) ROSS, do you have a URL? or suggested url for above? Admittadly, I have no idea on HIS standings with the X-energy waves being discussed here, but, both have strikingly similar characteristics. [IF] the addition of mind/xxx../or/..4th.5th..xxdimension(s) can concentrate within their boundries, then the two would/could be one and the same. (of infinite-dimensional Hamiltonian systems) Ross' Aether theory explains very simply (once you grasp it) pretty much everything from a Black-Hole / White hole, down to exothermic sun emmissions (aether). And everything under the sun at that point! :) To see aetheric/soliton effects on the surface of the earth (ocean/water) try http://daac.gsfc.nasa.gov/CAMPAIGN_DOCS/OCDST/shuttle_oceanography_web/oss_70.html This will show the (broad)low-freq's of soliton-waves (aether) pounding the straights of Gibralter and the Alboran Sea as seen from the space shuttle. What was the question again ? oh URL! ROSS?? HeLp!:)- -=se=- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Nov 20 01:32:28 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA08649; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 01:32:12 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 01:32:12 -0800 Message-ID: <34742040.5FEC@keelynet.com> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 03:34:24 -0800 From: Jerry Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Updated Korean PPM info References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"8dzJd.0.z62.RE0Tq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2262 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Folks! The self-running Minato magnetic wheel info has all been updated with relevant patents attached...if you wish to check it out; http://www.keelynet.com/index0.htm click on Korean seeya! -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://www.keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / KeelyNet BBS (214) 324-3501 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite, Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Nov 20 01:42:14 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA09326; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 01:42:05 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 01:42:05 -0800 X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3473A402.74EB@LCIA.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 23:41:29 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: X Energy Resent-Message-ID: <"zARtQ.0.dH2.hN0Tq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2263 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: B25B wrote: > If you include Reichenbach's odic force and > prana in your concept of X energy ...[snip] ...If > the index fingers are held about 1/8" apart in > the dark you can see a blue flame between them. And I suppose it works better on a dry night when you first shuffle across a carpet in your socks? And then MFergerson writes: > This puts me in mind of Tesla generating > thunderstorms without knowing formulas for > resonance... Tesla was an engineer who was, among his peers, probably *the* person most aware of and skilled at applying the principles and mathematics (formulas) of resonance in his work. And Tesla never "[generated] thunderstorms" or otherwise modified the weather. Could you possibly have it more wrong? I hate to break it to some of you, but Tesla lived in the *real world*, a world substantially enhanced technologically by his great gift of invention. Fantasies such as the above aren't neccessary to enhance his status which already stands tall on well deserved grounds. On the contrary in fact, they demean him. The list is supposed to be for discussions about experiments, or at least ideas which might actually lead to some real doable work or experiment, but this is devolving rapidly to that free-wheeling nonsense one can get anywhere on the net or certain silly newsgroups. I'm not bashing the idea of some lateral drift and brainstorming, or even the threads on ancient history and religious scriptures, from which we can sometimes take clues to possible forgotten technologies. I'm sure I'm not alone here in my interest in such discussions when they're well informed and insightful. But could we try to keep it fact-based and at least a little bit on topic? The Irritated, Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Nov 20 02:27:27 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA12653; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 02:27:15 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 02:27:15 -0800 Message-Id: <199711201027.CAA09127@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: X Energy Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 14:25:53 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"icjSB.0.V53.121Tq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2264 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Rick! You said: > B25B wrote: > > > If you include Reichenbach's odic force and > > prana in your concept of X energy ...[snip] ...If > > the index fingers are held about 1/8" apart in > > the dark you can see a blue flame between them. > > And I suppose it works better on a dry night when you first shuffle across > a carpet in your socks? This isn't a spark he's talking about, it's a glow. I have not seen it myself but it has been reported by many, and, to be "fact-based", it should be distinguished from a static discharge. The same emanation has been observed coming off of magnets, among other things. > > And then MFergerson writes: > > > This puts me in mind of Tesla generating > > thunderstorms without knowing formulas for > > resonance... > > Tesla was an engineer who was, among his peers, probably *the* person most > aware of and skilled at applying the principles and mathematics (formulas) > of resonance in his work. And Tesla never "[generated] thunderstorms" or > otherwise modified the weather. Could you possibly have it more wrong? I > hate to break it to some of you, but Tesla lived in the *real world*, a > world substantially enhanced technologically by his great gift of > invention. Fantasies such as the above aren't neccessary to enhance his > status which already stands tall on well deserved grounds. On the contrary > in fact, they demean him. I have stated the same thing about Tesla a number of times and in a number of ways, but this doesn't seem to be a problem specific to this particular "lateral-thinking episode", but general to almost all discussion about Tesla, who has become an icon, rather than a person with real achievements-- and someone who had an excellent sense of what to tell reporters :-) This was my response to Mark, whose comments have usually been to the point, I think: And by the way, Tesla knew the resonance formulas, he didn't generate any thunderstorms, but he DID observe thunderstorms and discovered the ionospheric resonance because of it. > The list is supposed to be for discussions about experiments, or at least > ideas which might actually lead to some real doable work or experiment, but > this is devolving rapidly to that free-wheeling nonsense one can get > anywhere on the net or certain silly newsgroups. It is difficult to discuss some subjects without the danger of this occuring. I'm certainly guilty of it myself on occasion--I have a strong desire to be outrageous that gets the better of me sometimes-- but in general I have pushed for this "lateral" discussion to stay in the direction of verifiable, testable hypothesis. I share with you a distaste for the unverifiable that comes from too much time hanging around new age bookstores. This is what I said when I came back from work and discovered that the discussion of Reich and Reichenbach and other X-energy researchers had devolved into arguments about the meaning of the Bible: Well, I'm back from work and I'm sorry to see that I am partially responsible for fomenting a major wave of posts which have little relevance to the topics of free energy and alternative science. I'd like to suggest that those interested in religious/spiritual topics continue their discussions in private posts unless they have something to contribute to the purpose of creating an overunity device NOW in this present age. Although the posts about Elohim, the Ark etc. are interesting, they only have relevance to the subject of this list if they point the way to experiments that can be done now. In most cases they don't. Let's come up with experiments and testable hypotheses, folks, and then DO the experiments! All else is meaningless, in my opinion, except as a privately held belief. These religious discussions are as volatile as political ones, and could easily lead to flame wars. Let's stop. Others who have been engaged in this discussion will have their own views, but in my own mind I completely agree with you-- while at the same time pushing the most lateral thinking imaginable--- IF--IF-- it can lead to an experiment. But the subjects themselves seem to lead to endless, disengaged speculation, and again, I've certainly contradicted my own advice on more than one occasion. > I'm not bashing the idea of some lateral drift and brainstorming, or even > the threads on ancient history and religious scriptures, from which we can > sometimes take clues to possible forgotten technologies. I'm sure I'm not > alone here in my interest in such discussions when they're well informed > and insightful. But could we try to keep it fact-based and at least a > little bit on topic? It bears repeating. Facts may be hard to find though. Mark ironically is one of the few on the list who has actual experimental results to report. He may not be an expert on Tesla, but he's as close as we come to an expert on Hieronymus. Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Nov 20 02:35:14 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA13297; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 02:35:02 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 02:35:02 -0800 Message-ID: <347411FB.6FC6@itmi-aptor.capgemini.fr> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 11:33:32 +0100 From: Philippe Lebourg Reply-To: Philippe.Lebourg@itmi-aptor.capgemini.fr Organization: ITMI APTOR X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re[2]: "you wouldn't believe the things I believe" References: <199711190843.AAA14943@mail1.halcyon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"R3hI82.0.cF3.L91Tq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2265 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi guys! I don't mean finding one or two threads off topic, but I have a rather high number of mails by these days. What you believe or not is very interesting but is it somehow *directly* related to weird science and free energy EXPERIENCES ? In other words, do you believe that such chatting sticks to the aim of the list ? Hoping to have soon experimental data to read from... Sincerely, PhL From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Nov 20 09:55:13 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA05155; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 09:54:43 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 09:54:43 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Frank C. Earl" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 12:02:49 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Beauty and the Machine Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.42a) Resent-Message-ID: <"6UCv42.0.RG1.Wb7Tq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2267 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > YES!!! I read that book, sometime in the mid 70's. He developed > a form of complex logic, similar to complex arithmetic, which was > capable of resolving those circular paradoxes (eg, the old "the > statement on the other of this paper is false" thing) that > confound conventional logic... Shame that the book is clean out of print and has been for some time. According to electronics industry sources, several chip design companies have been applying the Laws of Form to the design of integrated circuits. The results of this are quite dramatic from what I've been able to gather- about 1/3 smaller (Sometimes even more than that!) gate counts have been achieved with the use of the logic system according to reports floating about. I'm so intrigued with that prospect that I've been scouring the countryside in the Dallas/Ft. Worth area for a chance at even perusing a copy of this book. Anyone have a spare copy that I could perhaps purchase for a reasonable price? -- Frank C. Earl Earl Consulting Services ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Pursuant to USC 47, there is a $500 per incident charge for each and every piece of Unsolicited Commercial Email (UCE) sent to this or any of my other addresses. Sending UCE's to any of my addresses implys general acceptance of these terms. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Nov 20 09:54:48 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA00699; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 09:54:00 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 09:54:00 -0800 Message-Id: Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Frank C. Earl" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 12:02:48 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Beauty and the Machine Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.42a) Resent-Message-ID: <"V5Ofm2.0.qA.ta7Tq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2266 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > The *symbolic* Hieronymous machine, as described in Mr. Stine's book, > works as well as any I have built. Reinmann was right...the universe > is formed as we think of it. I can't describe how unsettling the > mere existence of such a device is to me. Yeah, spooky isn't it? I read about Stine's symbolic device in another book referring to his book- if memory serves, it was Bearden's Exalibur Briefing (Which was in the college library- I really wish I could obtain it for my library. While it's not overly useful for FE or Psychotronics stuff- it's still interesting reading and does give a decent overview to work from for the stuff.). I also remember reading in that book that Hieronymous had built some sort of scalar transmitter and reciever. I'm sort of curious if he did- and whether or not he took it's secret with him... Anyhow, while I've never built any of the H-machines, I have been tempted to build several of the differing models- including Stine's version (ESPECIALLY that one! If it DOES work, there's something in all of this stuff we're missing...) -- Frank C. Earl Earl Consulting Services ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Pursuant to USC 47, there is a $500 per incident charge for each and every piece of Unsolicited Commercial Email (UCE) sent to this or any of my other addresses. Sending UCE's to any of my addresses implys general acceptance of these terms. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Nov 20 10:58:56 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA14488; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 10:58:24 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 10:58:24 -0800 X-Sender: bfox@istar.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Byrun Fox Subject: Re: Beauty and the Machine Message-Id: Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 13:58:42 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <"1dERU.0.BY3.EX8Tq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2268 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Regarding the strobe scalar, I'm curious what you were using for a detector. Is it Shannons capacitor type Thanks, byrun. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Nov 20 11:10:11 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA18870; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 11:09:46 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 11:09:46 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711201908.OAA21569@csrlink.net> From: "Jim Shaffer, Jr." To: Subject: Re: Beauty and the Machine Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 14:04:30 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"X-9Kd.0.jc4.sh8Tq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2269 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > Early on, I discovered that the flash tube was emitting > something. The radiation pattern appeared to be two lobes, > coming from the sides of the strobe. When I mentioned this > to Bob Shannon, he informed me that (according to Bearden) > certain gas plasmas (such as xenon) were scalar translators. OK folks, could someone on either the normal OR the alternative side of the discussion explain an experience I had about ten years ago? At the time I was using an Atari computer with a run-of-the-mill cheap composite video monitor. Every time I would turn this monitor on, I would feel a WAVE OF HEAT wash over me. I only felt it at that moment, not when it was operating. I thought about the possibility it was static electricity, because the monitor generated an inordinately high amount of that also, but it didn't feel quite the same. (At the time, I had no means of testing it.) I've never felt this with any other monitor, either composite or RGB, from the same size (probably about 13"), up to 17", up to 27" TV sets. Was it just static, or had some long-forgotten monitor manufacturer accidentally created an orgone generator? (At the time, I considered my psychic sensitivity to be exactly zero, and I still consider it about as low as a person can possibly be while still having any at all.) "There are four kinds of people in this world: cretins, fools, morons, and lunatics." --Umberto Eco From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Nov 20 11:10:13 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA18881; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 11:09:47 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 11:09:47 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711201908.OAA21559@csrlink.net> From: "Jim Shaffer, Jr." To: Subject: Re: Beauty and the Machine Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 13:31:07 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"H4QvR.0.wc4.th8Tq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2270 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > From: Fred Epps > OK, here's the core of my difference of opinion, in as pragmatic terms as I > can make it. There are certain electromagnetic arrangements that generate > large quantities of X-energy without human intervention. For instance, > Gallimore describes a special core energized by a HV source that would > cause a dowsing rod to deviate at 200 feet. I propose to put a high-energy > X source under the control of human intent, to make a "turbo-charged > reality creator". Interesting! Did Gallimore ever reveal the core design, or did it die with him? A company called MagiTech, or HSCTI, has a web site where they sell what they claim to be X-energy generators, at high prices. (Why is it that everybody in this field wants hundreds or thousands of dollars for their devices?) They say that they're orgone accumulators made of a proprietary combination of substances which gives a stronger field than anything natural, and that they also incorporate electromagnets. Nothing high-voltage, though -- they appear to be powered by common plug-in transformers. They have a test set up for anyone who doubts their claims. On their web site is a graphic which you're supposed to download and print out. They have a copy of it in front of one of their generators. The first time I tried it, I couldn't feel anything from the printout. I did, however, feel something when I held my hand in front of the image on the screen, but I talked myself into believing that I was probably feeling a physical effect from the monitor. Recently, after upgrading from an impact dot-matrix printer to an inkjet, I tried again, and this time I did feel a faint sensation when passing my hand over the printed image. It wasn't very strong, and I couldn't consistently feel it with my hand still, but I could always feel it if I moved my hand through the area over the paper. Assuming I'm still not hallucinating it, the only explanation I can think of for the difference is that the inkjet produces truly solid lines except for a few diagonals -- I wonder what would happen if I inked them in? -- while the dot-matrix printout wasn't continuous. But neither of these explains the sensation from the monitor image -- again, assuming it wasn't subjective. (That's precisely why we need devices to detect this sort of thing!) > A provisional arrangement would be one of these HV coil arrangements with > the X-energy (NOT the EM) conducted down a wire which is then wound around > the base of a quartz crystal. This crystal would be held in the hand of > someone as they operated one of the "narrow-focussed" devices you refer to. A few years ago, someone told me of a passive device to amplify telekinesis. It consisted of a crystal with a coil wound around it on a cardboard tube and connected to aluminum foil caps over each end. They said that if you held it in your hand and pointed it at someone while thinking of them, they would feel it. They said fluorite was by far the best crystal to use because of some molecular property which I've forgotten, but quartz might work too. I've never tried it, because I don't have high-quality crystals of either one. (Jerry Decker, if you're reading this, who am I thinking of? Was it Woody? Wasn't he KeelyNet's Gallimore expert?) "There are four kinds of people in this world: cretins, fools, morons, and lunatics." --Umberto Eco From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Nov 20 11:14:31 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA17962; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 11:13:21 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 11:13:21 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971120131430.0069f2d0@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 13:14:30 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: free web space Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"yJaQ32.0.PO4.Fl8Tq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2271 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: The question came up a while ago, here's the answer.... Best Regards, JD -------------------------------------------------------- The land was free, and the price was right. mules@palacenet.net --------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Nov 20 11:38:57 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA23944; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 11:37:19 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 11:37:19 -0800 Message-Id: <199711201936.LAA15249@mailtod-122.bryant.webtv.net> From: leelouden@webtv.net (Lee Louden) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 11:36:17 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Beauty and the Machine Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"BX2uC1.0.yr5.k59Tq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2272 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Jim, I can't say what was coming from your tube, but from one who has worked around all levels off R.F. energy (at all frequencies) I can tell you it is pretty quirky stuff. When you add a gas (plasma) into the picture, it gets even quirkier. Ordinary vaccum tubes (including) picture tubes can get gassy and when they do there is no telling what phenomenon they may exhibit. Do You still have that monitor? Lee From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Nov 20 14:20:25 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA04448; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 14:18:30 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 14:18:30 -0800 Message-ID: <3474A89F.A3135308@pavilion.co.uk> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 22:16:15 +0100 From: Rob Dowse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Electrogravitics : The Rambaut's spinning ball experiment X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <971119082555_1846268391@mrin38> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"VAQDQ.0.O51.qSBTq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2273 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: JNaudin509@aol.com wrote: > the ball (m = 0.7 Kg). Hi JLN, First thank you for ALL your excellent work!! I wish to duplicate this experiment. Do you think it is necessary to use a heavy ball or will a cheap hollow copper float ball will work, (as in a toilet cistern ball cock water valve)? I can fill it with lead shot. I want to avoid the expense of a steel ball if not needed. Thanks --------- Rob Dowse From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Nov 20 19:13:14 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA13145; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 19:11:01 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 19:11:01 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: rmuha@mail Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 22:09:45 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: ralph muha Subject: Re: Beauty and the Machine Resent-Message-ID: <"1p3bp.0.GD3.2lFTq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2274 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 7:02 AM -0500 11/20/97, Frank C. Earl wrote: >According to electronics industry sources, several chip design >companies have been applying the Laws of Form to the design of >integrated circuits. The results of this are quite dramatic from >what I've been able to gather- about 1/3 smaller (Sometimes even more >than that!) gate counts have been achieved with the use of the logic >system according to reports floating about. I forwarded that info to one of our VLSI designers. He hasn't heard about it, but he's going to investigate. >I'm so intrigued with that prospect that I've been scouring the >countryside in the Dallas/Ft. Worth area for a chance at even >perusing a copy of this book. Anyone have a spare copy that I could I just looked thru three boxes in the basement to see if I still had my copy, no luck. I lost some stuff due to water damage quite a few years ago so I'm not sure if it's there... r From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Nov 20 19:24:54 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA15514; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 19:24:30 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 19:24:30 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: rmuha@mail Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 22:23:42 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: ralph muha Subject: Re: Beauty and the Machine Resent-Message-ID: <"9orA33.0.Fo3.ixFTq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2275 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >Regarding the strobe scalar, I'm curious what you were using for a detector. >Is it Shannons capacitor type yes, it's a modified Hodowanec detector, as suggested by Shannon. the input stage is 1/2 a TL082, with a 100K pot for feedback and a 1000 pf bypass cap. my 'reference' detector is a 1 uf mylar. r From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Nov 20 22:26:12 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA14827; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 22:25:18 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 22:25:18 -0800 (PST) From: JNaudin509@aol.com Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 01:24:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971121012402_-120881725@mrin47> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com cc: rmuha@minimal.com Subject: Re : Re: Electrogravitics : The Rambaut's spinning ball experiment Resent-Message-ID: <"WoPjd.0.ad3.CbITq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2276 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On 20/11/1997 20:11:29 , ralph muha wrote : << hmm... All Electronics (www.allcorp.com, in the "what's new" section) has some nice 13V 36A power supplies (taken from RF xmtrs) ... r >> Yes Ralph, I agree with you, in this experiment you may obtain a great effect with only 12V and a 3A DC current..... You will find all diagrams, pictures and details about this experiment at : http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/jlnaudin/html/rambspin.htm More to come soon about Electrogravitics.....stay tuned.... Sincerely, Jean-Louis Naudin ( France / GMT+1 ) 11/20/97 - 06:20GMT From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Nov 21 00:46:47 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA17181; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 00:46:33 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 00:46:33 -0800 X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3474A89F.A3135308@pavilion.co.uk> References: <971119082555_1846268391@mrin38> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 22:46:28 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Rob Dowse: Wallace patents Resent-Message-ID: <"O6EbO.0.MC4.efKTq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2277 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Thanks Rob, I recieved the patent papers today. I'll start scanning them, and will post again when the files are up in electronic form (GIF, probably). I don't have a web site up, but those who do may want to post them. Too bad the IBM server didn't like them. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Nov 21 00:57:19 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA28501; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 00:52:03 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 00:52:03 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 01:51:21 -0700 (MST) From: Steve Ekwall X-Sender: ekwall2@november To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com cc: Mfergerson@aol.com Subject: Re: Beauty and the Machine (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"3wBuT3.0.Cz6.nkKTq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2278 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: This was sent out yesterday to vortex-l (opps). Sorry for the cross-post here, I now note Mfergerson was freenrg-l and his reply was was on vortex-l and didn't know if it would be caught for his answer. I KNOW NOT TO CROSS-POST :) (please excuse me for THIS one).. Mfergerson: If you received this reply via vortex-l membership (ignore, delete or otherwise forgive me.) A "single" soliton (aetheric) theory proposed by Ross *HAS* many answers. (see below) -=se=- ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 12:08:36 -0800 From: Ross Tessien Reply-To: vortex-l@eskimo.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: ROSS HELP:) Re: Beauty and the Machine Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 12:09:26 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: vortex-l@eskimo.com Well, as you guessed, I don't read most of the email that comes in as 60 or so emails per day is a bit much. I check the titles first to look for private vs junkmail vs vortex messages and then select the ones that seem interesting to furthering my and others, understanding of the goings on at the sub atomic to the cosmic. >On Wed, 19 Nov 1997 MFergerson@aol.com wrote: > > Steve, you wrote: > >>>'thought-form:' is your X-Energy = to Ross' Soliton Aether? in > >>>attached depleted/clumped for connectivity (memory) or your knowing > >>>were it *needs* to go? (through the mirror). Slinkies (Coil-Toy) have an > >>>'appearance' of memory for were it wants to go, however the above doesn't > >>>seem to explain the concentration of 'the coil' (tight), nor the edges and > >>>the coils passing of X-energy to a next(?) (fully stretched) coil. Looks > >>>good though for all reactions within/between its ends. (wave). HMMM? I haven't followed the X-Energy, so cannot comment on that notion. As for my aether, it is actually quite simple. So simple in fact that most people fail to even grasp it because they are too used to complicated things like particles and forces. To me, the entire universe is an ocean of aether, period. There are no other substances anywhere, none. Everything you have ever seen, touched, smelled, thought, heard, remembered are the result of aether in motion in particular ways. Most people have seen a pot of water that has some vibrational energy buzzing it. And a lot of people have seen how the surface of the water can break into an organized dimpled structure. Waves on the ocean organize like this and many chemical reactions lead to the formation of regular patterns. When you work around computers, or alarm systems, high frequency sound energy often is in the air. It is often possible to move your head around slightly, and your ear will hear that high pitched sound when your head is in one position, but when you move slightly, the sound goes away. Then, if you move your head back again, the sound is there again. In other words, there is a 3+1 dimensional node of acoustic energy in the air near your ear. That is like a sort of spherical node in the air, where the acoustic energy of the source is constructively interfering with reflections from the walls floor, ceiling, etc. So when you position your ear in that node, the holographic (or phased array) interference pattern is constructive, and you hear a large amplitude sound located in a node in your room. So, for me, the entire universe came out of a huge explosion called the big bang. What that was, was an event where highly dense aether escaped its inertial confinement inside of the event horizon of a huge, universe sized black hole. Effectively, the aether was boiling from a dense, condensate condition to the lower density vapor condition of what we call "empty space" today. That set up acoustic energy bouncing all around just like in your room. The reflections, though, were from what in electronics are called impedance discontinuities. In optics we call them graduated index of refraction in the optical fiber industry. In other words, a change in the acoustic propogation velocity leads to reflections of that wave energy, and acts sort of like a mirror to reflect the wave energy of the boiling process as the huge ball of, yes, aether, is expanding to form our universe. The reflections, taken as a whole, formed into what we call, spacetime. The last remaining droplets of the high density state that got trapped in some of those nodes became what we call "particles" today. The wave structure around those particles, is essentially spherical close in, and then like an Escher painting, it transitions to the more cubic sort of structure of spacetime far away. The scale at which the amplitude, or intensity, of the spherical wave energy is equal to the cubic geometry of the spacetime topology for a nucleus of an atom is called the diameter of the nucleus at about E-15 meters, while the spacetime nodes and the innermost droplets of remaining aether condensate reside at the Planck scale at E-35 meters. So the Escher like transition takes 20 orders of magnitude. Look up "Light Bullets Home Page" on a search engine for some images of solitons and discussion on behaviors of non linear mediums. The aether is non linear, meaning that the sound speed is not directly related to the density. This allows a build up in energy density. Actually, this is not unlike the build up in gamma energy in nuclear reactor shielding that can manifest if the power levels are increased or rise too high. So hopefully that removes a little more of your ignorance of my aether. :-) >Hopefully Ross will read this :) Ross in the header will always work! I don't read lots of the email that runs through my computer, too many messages, too little time. > > ROSS, do you have a URL? > or suggested url for above? Not yet. But, I hope to put one up when I get enough of the images we are making for the book. The first things up will deal with black hole structures and aether motions such as the flow that heads out of stars. You see, there is one key element in my theory which differs from all other theories I have ever read, whacko or otherwise. The difference is, I have a rule number 1 for the behavior of the universe. This rule is; Aether is conserved in all interactions. This is seemingly innocuous, but when you work with solitons, the property of a soliton that corresponds to "mass" is the amount of aether confined in that wave structure. So, when you demand the conservation of aether, you simultaneously demand the conservation of mass, and that what we call empty space must be massive. The problem with that supposition is that we have stars in our universe, and the supposition directly states, in other words, "Empty space must be flowing out of stars". Today's physicists get away without expecting that because mass is not supposed to be conserved, and, because empty space is supposed to be empty. But that notion is so silly it makes me laugh. If I place a ball in a patch of empty space in our solar system, fixed relative to the distant stars in our galaxy (ie, fixed relative to the sun and nearby co-moving stars in our galaxy), but near the orbit of earth. Then I can study the behavior of that patch of space and objects in that patch of space relative to the fixed stars. Without the earth nearby, objects experience a certain acceleration due to the sun. But when the earth flies past, objects experience a changing acceleration. But are there strings attached to the earth? No. So there is some property of that patch of empty space that is changing. That demands that there is some substantive quality to that patch of empty space. Ergo, you cannot hide from the fact that you need for there to be something there to "change". What is changing, by the way, is the geometry of the spacetime nodes due to the wave energy being emitted by the earth, which acts as a filter to red shifted wave energy arriving from the distant universe. Matter acts like a band pass filter, with the local spacetime frequency being the frequency to which the soliton oscillations are coupled. But the beauty of the first rule above which leads to the conservation of mass, (and the manner in which I may actually be able to prove my theory to the establishment), is due to the fact that the flow of aether leads to a spacetime curvature. ie, the acoustic nodes are stretched down stream by the flow. They don't blow away! Try to imagine some acoustic nodes in a wind tunnel to understand this. They will just be shifted downstream slightly and that leads to the same effect as what we call spacetime curvature. So, what do you suppose would happen if you have a huge cloud, with no aether emission headed outward, and then all of a sudden the conditions change because the interior core of that huge massive cloud ignites fusion reactions? Well, you suddenly transition from no aether flow and no spacetime curvature, to aether flow and spacetime curvature along the path of that flow. But we now must consider the path of least resistance to that flow. It will head out of the oblate spheroid along the axis of rotation. And so what should we expect? Well, we went from a condition of no anamolous thrust along that line, to a condition of "some" anamolous thrust along that line. And so we should expect to find some matter being accelerated along that line in an anamolous manner. What do we find? 2 light year long jets of cold matter, anamolously shot out of stars. Hubble has made several beautiful images of that process, and the stars are called T-tauri stars. They are new borns and only emit those jets for a short time. After that, we should expect that the star would come to a rolling boil with aether flowing out everywhere as the star becomes fluidized. And so what is the next stage of stellar evolution? Flare stars. These guys suddenly break the surface with huge churning flaring behavior and change in brightness in a matter of hours to days, suddenly, as they enter the main sequence of stellar evolution. > >Admittadly, I have no idea on HIS standings with the X-energy waves being >discussed here, but, both have strikingly similar characteristics. [IF] >the addition of mind/xxx../or/..4th.5th..xxdimension(s) can concentrate >within their boundries, then the two would/could be one and the same. >(of infinite-dimensional Hamiltonian systems) > Ross' Aether theory explains very simply (once you grasp it) pretty much >everything from a Black-Hole / White hole, down to exothermic sun >emmissions (aether). And everything under the sun at that point! :) > As for X-energy waves, I don't know what geometry you use for these or what originates them or what they are intended to represent. As for mind, thought, memory, these are all wave structures. The matter in the brain is akin to the tip of a tornado where it touches the ground. What we think of as "matter" is the convergence, of a very huge standing wave. So just as the tip of the tornado is not moving under its own power, and is instead being forced to wobble this way and that by the air converging into the vortex from hundreds of miles around in the case of that standing wave, so too is the same thing happening to get a single atom to "quantum mechanically" bounce around in a seemingly bizarre manner. The way matter bounces around is really not mysterious at all. I could tell you that dust particles are mysterious because when you look at them under a microscope suspended in water, they bounce all around all on their own. But we all know that their motion is due to the Brownian interaction with the "real" water molecules. An electron is no different. It is in an ocean of aether, and it is the turbulence in that aether that is causing its unpredictability. If fact, I will wager that in the future, working with BEC's, we learn how to improve on the predicted uncertainty prescribed by the Heisenberg Uncertainty principle. The reason is because all of that matter is filtering out some of the incident waves that are the cause of the unpredictibility of material particles, just like the air converging into a tornado is responsible for the unpredictability of the path of the tip wreaking havoc on the ground. There is no mystery here at all. The only mystery is artificial, and it is caused by our ignorance of the true nature of matter. By thinking that matter is made of particles, we assign omnipotence to them. They are the seat of "fields" and spacetime is a mathematical metric, and on and on. The instant you let go of that thinking, you realize that spacetime is turbulent, and thus that solitons will be tossed this way and that. But you also come to realize that there are no solitons that exist independent of the balance of the universe. So when the neural net in our brain forms a thought, what is really happening is that the wave energy sent out from my brain, is interacting for many light seconds out into the surrounding cosmos with wave energy sent out by all other matter, and all other thinking beings brains. And the non linear interactions lead to some of that energy returning to the source, after being processed. The return wave energy, *is* the next thought in your head. Later, Ross Tessien From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Nov 21 01:02:06 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA19251; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 01:01:46 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 01:01:46 -0800 X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <971121012402_-120881725@mrin47> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 23:02:25 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re : Re: Electrogravitics : The Rambaut's spinning ball experiment Resent-Message-ID: <"lCndD2.0.hi4.vtKTq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2279 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Jean-Louis - How is the motion of the ball differentiated from motion which would occur due to eddy currents causing magnetic interaction with the earth's magnetic field? - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Nov 21 01:54:46 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA03606; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 01:54:15 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 01:54:15 -0800 Message-ID: <347576E6.72A0@keelynet.com> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 03:56:22 -0800 From: Jerry Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Awesome PPM References: <01bcf686$e0a08cc0$a6dcdbcd@john-bedini> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"D33c62.0.Fu.6fLTq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2280 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Folks! Shane Hall found a site in Japan which has pictures of the Minato PPM and its variants....I left a note asking if they could provide a file or URL which would give construction details to build a self-running bicycle wheel version....the idea being if a lot of folks could build this and it works, it would set fire to imagination and draw major attention to their other devices which are claimed to actually put out excess power....check it out; http://japan.co.jp/stag/minphot.html pictures http://www.keelynet.com/gravity/curtis.htm text file Seeya! -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://www.keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / KeelyNet BBS (214) 324-3501 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite, Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Nov 21 02:41:48 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA06001; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 02:40:15 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 02:40:15 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34758187.614A@keelynet.com> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 04:41:43 -0800 From: Jerry Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Invention Shareware Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"rb4G2.0.eT1.CKMTq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2281 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Folks! In an attempt to induce inventors with WORKING devices to share their information, I wrote a document which has recently been updated to show other ways they could make money from their discovery, even with a free release of information on how to build a working prototype. I would appreciate it if folks who are interested could check it out and email any additions, corrections or positive suggestions to improve it. http://www.keelynet.com/share.htm Thanks!! -- -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://www.keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / KeelyNet BBS (214) 324-3501 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite, Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Nov 21 05:40:46 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA25798; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 05:40:32 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 05:40:32 -0800 From: JNaudin509@aol.com Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 08:39:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971121083955_914977162@mrin51.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com cc: monteverde@worldnet.att.net Subject: Re : Re: Electrogravitics : The Rambaut's spinning ball experiment Resent-Message-ID: <"cBnS33.0.uI6.EzOTq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2282 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On 21/11/1997 12:36:34 , Rick Monteverde wrote : << Jean-Louis - How is the motion of the ball differentiated from motion which would occur due to eddy currents causing magnetic interaction with the earth's magnetic field? - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI >> Hi Rick, This is like the Greg's SMOT, I suggest you to build and try it by yourself FIRST...and after think about the effect.... :-) Jean-Louis From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Nov 21 06:23:51 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA00971; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 06:23:26 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 06:23:26 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: leoguitar@mail.vossnet.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, newman-l@emachine.com From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: New Address: www.overunity.com Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 15:23:08 +0100 Message-Id: <19971121152308.23e0042c.in@pop3.vossnet.de> Resent-Message-ID: <"S3HzT3.0._E.RbPTq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2283 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi All, as the German DE-NIC charges too much for Domain names, I decided to register my www.overunity.de domain at the US Internic and thus it is now available under the new address: www.overunity.com The old address www.overunity.de will stay valid until the end of the year. Please change all your bookmarks and links to this new address. Sorry for the inconvenience. Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Nov 21 08:04:03 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA18604; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 08:03:37 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 08:03:37 -0800 Message-ID: <3475B0F2.677E@interactsystems.com> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 11:04:02 -0500 From: Paul Nash Reply-To: pnash@interactsystems.com Organization: Interact Systems, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Awesome PPM References: <01bcf686$e0a08cc0$a6dcdbcd@john-bedini> <347576E6.72A0@keelynet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"0Jik41.0.VY4.O3RTq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2284 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Jerry wrote: > > Shane Hall found a site in Japan which has pictures of the Minato PPM >check it out; > > http://japan.co.jp/stag/minphot.html pictures > http://www.keelynet.com/gravity/curtis.htm text file > Hi everyone! I checked out the Minato PPM stuff, and read the patent. I was hoping I could post an open question to the group, as I was unsure about one aspect of the invention. An answer might help me with a motor design I have started... Minato uses magnets positioned around half of the periphery of his disk, and also uses "balancers" along the other half. Although he states that the number of magnets may be increased around other peripheral areas of the disk, he also states that the balancers are **preferable**. My question is this. Why would he want to decrease the number of magnets, and therefore torque by introducing these balancers? Why would this be preferable? My first reaction is that given the action provided by the magnets and his electromagnet actuators, a disk full of them would maximize his torque. If each of these individual M/EM interactions is OU, then the more the better, right? I hope someone on this list might be able to tell me why I'm crazy, or stupid, or something! Thanks in advance, folks.... Best Regards, Paul Nash pnash@interactsystems.com http://www.interactsystems.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Nov 21 08:09:44 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA20425; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 08:09:29 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 08:09:29 -0800 From: Keasy@aol.com Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 11:08:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971121110853_1339341751@mrin52.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Re : Re: Electrogravitics : The Rambaut's spinning ball experiment Resent-Message-ID: <"f4ddA1.0.0_4.u8RTq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2285 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Rick, My question for Jean-Louis is, how far apart are the vertical wires which carry the current to and from the small magnet wire? According to my unchecked calculations, the earth's field is too small to account for any swinging motion of the ball, although it could possibly cause the ball to turn. However, if the larger vertical wires are too close together the field from them could account for both the swinging and turning. Ken Keasy@aol.com In a message dated 97-11-21 05:36:34 EST, you write: << How is the motion of the ball differentiated from motion which would occur due to eddy currents causing magnetic interaction with the earth's magnetic field? - Rick Monteverde >> From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Nov 21 09:00:59 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA01140; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 09:00:41 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 09:00:41 -0800 Message-ID: <3475DAD2.4E4A@keelynet.com> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 11:02:42 -0800 From: Jerry Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Awesome PPM References: <01bcf686$e0a08cc0$a6dcdbcd@john-bedini> <347576E6.72A0@keelynet.com> <3475B0F2.677E@interactsystems.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"VhB8W1.0.hH.tuRTq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2286 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Paul Nash wrote: > > Jerry wrote: > > > > pictures of the Minato PPM > >check it out; > > > > http://japan.co.jp/stag/minphot.html pictures > > http://www.keelynet.com/gravity/curtis.htm text file > > > > Hi everyone! > > he also states that the balancers are **preferable**. > > My question is this. Why would he want to decrease the number of > magnets, and therefore torque by introducing these balancers? Why would > this be preferable? My first reaction is that given the action provided > by the magnets and his electromagnet actuators, a disk full of them > would maximize his torque. If each of these individual M/EM > interactions is OU, then the more the better, right? > > Paul Nash > pnash@interactsystems.com > http://www.interactsystems.com Hi Paul! You know, you bring up a good point. If the trick to such devices is to first produce a balanced wheel so it won't roll over to put the heaviest section at the bottom, then to use magnets to create a periodic imbalance to keep it spinning, it is odd that he 'prefers' the use of balancers on one half of the wheel, rather than magnets all around it. Wonder if it has something to do with getting everything timed so that the repulsive? force only kicks in at a certain time, probably on the top of the ascending side. On the Japanese URL that contains the photos, they have an email which might get back to Minato or someone who could answer such questions....I think we should use it and share what if any response is provided. I asked them for construction details of the bicycle version but so far have seen no response, it was only yesterday (3 months in Net time, ). I have a bicycle wheel that I bought for a similar experiment, though using a different force....might convert it to magnets to see if this can be duplicated....Henry Curtis said he built a few of these based on what he remembered and could get NONE of them to work...has to be one or more critical adjustments to cause it to work, he DID see it working. seeya! -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://www.keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / KeelyNet BBS (214) 324-3501 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite, Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Nov 21 09:08:29 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA04187; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 09:07:49 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 09:07:49 -0800 Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 09:07:18 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711211707.JAA09716@iceland.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: mrandall@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Michael Randall Subject: Re: Awesome PPM Resent-Message-ID: <"fVEty1.0.G11.Y_RTq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2287 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Jerry! Thanks for info! The pictures of the self-running bicycle wheel permenant magnets looks like rectangular magnets. If so then it is based on Minato's 5,594,289 patent. Curtis said the unit he saw in Korea were crescent shaped magnets which would be more difficult to replicate. I also posted some questions to Minato on this. Thanks again for the excellent coverage :-) Regards, Michael At 03:56 AM 11/21/97 -0800, you wrote: >Hi Folks! > >Shane Hall found a site in Japan which has pictures of the Minato PPM and >its variants....I left a note asking if they could provide a file or URL >which would give construction details to build a self-running bicycle >wheel version....the idea being if a lot of folks could build this and it >works, it would set fire to imagination and draw major attention to their >other devices which are claimed to actually put out excess power....check >it out; > > http://japan.co.jp/stag/minphot.html pictures > http://www.keelynet.com/gravity/curtis.htm text file > >Seeya! >-- > Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com > http://www.keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" > Voice : (214) 324-8741 / KeelyNet BBS (214) 324-3501 > KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite, Republic of Texas - 75187 > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Nov 21 09:40:14 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA11620; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 09:39:04 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 09:39:04 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 09:21:42 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711211721.JAA13988@pop1.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: szdanq@peseta.ucdavis.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dan Quickert Subject: Re: Electrogravitics : The Rambaut's spinning ball experiment Resent-Message-ID: <"7mFot3.0.Pr2.rSSTq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2288 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Jean-Louis, Could you make your response a bit more direct? Are you stating that the motion is *not* a result of interaction with the Earth's magnetic field? It looks to me also as possibly just compass-like action. Dan Quickert --------------------------- >On 21/11/1997 12:36:34 , Rick Monteverde wrote : > ><< Jean-Louis - > > How is the motion of the ball differentiated from motion which would occur > due to eddy currents causing magnetic interaction with the earth's magnetic > field? > > - Rick Monteverde > Honolulu, HI > >> > >Hi Rick, > >This is like the Greg's SMOT, I suggest you to build and try it by yourself >FIRST...and after think about the effect.... :-) > >Jean-Louis From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Nov 21 13:25:32 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA22884; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 13:24:31 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 13:24:31 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3475EC1E.D64CC146@pavilion.co.uk> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 21:16:48 +0100 From: Rob Dowse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Re : Re: Electrogravitics : The Rambaut's spinning ball experiment References: <971121083955_914977162@mrin51.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"4uuT63.0.Sb5.DmVTq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2289 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi All, I have suspended a 1 inch solid steel ball on a 0.15 mm dia. nylon thread at 930 mm suspension distance. The ball rotates slowly one way for 15 seconds and then the other way untill the pendulum settles down in about ten or so minits. Nylon is hydroscopic so it's moisture content and therfore it's resistance will change with this parameter. It may be possible to explain the spontaneous rotation as some sort of change in the nylon? Perhaps a mechanical relaxation brought on by current flow or potential differece or time? I have attached .05mm dia copper wire at 180 degrees on opposite top and bottom of the steel ball. DC r=25 ohms, my power supply at 8 volts is pumping 320 ma. the wire twitches alot upsetting the pendulum's rest state even when the wires are well 'fixed' to minimise interference with the ball....so it's not clear if there is a sponteneous force at work here. I will continue...... JNaudin509@aol.com wrote: > > On 21/11/1997 12:36:34 , Rick Monteverde wrote : > > << Jean-Louis - > > How is the motion of the ball differentiated from motion which would occur > due to eddy currents causing magnetic interaction with the earth's magnetic > field? > > - Rick Monteverde > Honolulu, HI > >> > > Hi Rick, > > This is like the Greg's SMOT, I suggest you to build and try it by yourself > FIRST...and after think about the effect.... :-) > > Jean-Louis --------- Rob Dowse From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Nov 21 13:27:41 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA07446; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 13:27:13 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 13:27:13 -0800 Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 16:23:29 -0800 From: francis x roarty Subject: Re: Awesome PPM To: pnash@interactsystems.com Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-to: froarty@motown.lmco.com Message-id: <34762601.23A6@motown.lmco.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <01bcf686$e0a08cc0$a6dcdbcd@john-bedini> <347576E6.72A0@keelynet.com> <3475B0F2.677E@interactsystems.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"wob7Z.0.Fq1.loVTq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2290 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Paul Nash wrote: > > Jerry wrote: > > > > > Shane Hall found a site in Japan which has pictures of the Minato PPM > >check it out; > > > > http://japan.co.jp/stag/minphot.html pictures > > http://www.keelynet.com/gravity/curtis.htm text file > > > > Hi everyone! > > I checked out the Minato PPM stuff, and read the patent. I was hoping I > could post an open question to the group, as I was unsure about one > aspect of the invention. An answer might help me with a motor design I > have started... > > Minato uses magnets positioned around half of the periphery of his disk, > and also uses "balancers" along the other half. Although he states > that the number of magnets may be increased around other peripheral > areas of the disk, he also states that the balancers are **preferable**. > > My question is this. Why would he want to decrease the number of > magnets, and therefore torque by introducing these balancers? Why would > this be preferable? My first reaction is that given the action provided > by the magnets and his electromagnet actuators, a disk full of them > would maximize his torque. If each of these individual M/EM > interactions is OU, then the more the better, right? > > I hope someone on this list might be able to tell me why I'm crazy, or > stupid, or something! > Hi Paul, Magnets obey the reaction laws and will subtract as much energy as they contribute unless the physical properties of the material is somehow varied. The "balancers" may be contributing much more to the process than the magnets. I would invite Greg Watson to contribute his insights on this device since I suspect his SMOT device is utilizing the same phenomena of the BH curve to draw power. I also suspect the magnetic fields are being modified by their passage through the aluminum "base" that supports the axle. Frank From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Nov 21 14:46:18 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA08209; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 14:45:54 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 14:45:54 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: leoguitar@mail.vossnet.de (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, newman-l@emachine.com From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: if you are exhausted from free energy research... Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 23:50:42 +0100 Message-Id: <19971121235042.25b0b1e8.in@pop3.vossnet.de> Resent-Message-ID: <"Wer0S1.0.902.WyWTq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2291 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: start your RealVideo player and enjoy a little live....... http://www.fantasylounge.com/rpmfiles/tmp/liveroom.rpm At least this will drive you forward to install the RealVideo player and so you can later enjoy also the free energy RealVideo content ! :) -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Nov 21 14:46:53 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA29908; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 14:46:31 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 14:46:31 -0800 X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <971121110853_1339341751@mrin52.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 10:58:28 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: Electrogravitics : The Rambaut's spinning ball experiment Resent-Message-ID: <"tfio82.0.kI7.5zWTq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2292 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Ken - > According to my unchecked calculations, the > earth's field is too small to account for any > swinging motion of the ball, although it could > possibly cause the ball to turn. Well, at least you did calculations. But I know from experience that an object which has noticable magnetization and is also very free to turn will move to align to the earth's field. Jean-Louis may have a point about thought experiments, but I think it's only fair when posting about an experiment you have done that you describe how you are able to know for sure that your results are what you claim (in this case an anomaly), and not noise, interference, or error. Otherwise the experiment, or at least the reporting of it, lacks a certain usefulness. This reminds me of Newman's balloon in a way. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Nov 21 18:22:31 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA09162; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 18:21:52 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 18:21:52 -0800 (PST) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 20:43:02 -0500 Subject: Re: Doing physics with quaternions Message-ID: <19971121.211705.6374.0.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> References: <3463CA47.661E849A@minimal.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-8,16-19 From: steve-nyeoka@juno.com (Stephen L Heckman) Resent-Message-ID: <"1UmAd.0.2F2.-6aTq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2293 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Wed, 19 Nov 1997 22:16:37 -0500 ralph muha writes: > >I would like to see what Ohm's law looks like in quaternions. >Bearden has written about that, how something was lost in the >process... > >r Personally I don't think we would see too many changes to ohms law itself, at least for DC circuits. I am not sure, but I remember something called the j-operator when studying AC circuits in High School (I went to a Vo-Tech for Electronics), which looks like it has the same mathematical basis as quaternions (used the square root of -1), and was used for solving impedances in AC circuits. Was in the 2ed Edition Text "Electronic Communication" by Robert Shrader. Real hairy math (but I would love to have a copy of the text now to see how it relates). Steve From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Nov 21 18:22:51 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA09221; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 18:22:09 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 18:22:09 -0800 (PST) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 20:55:01 -0500 Subject: Re: Beauty and the Machine Message-ID: <19971121.211705.6374.1.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> References: <971119170236_-464075179@mrin58.mail.aol.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-6,12-13,16-17,23-27 From: steve-nyeoka@juno.com (Stephen L Heckman) Resent-Message-ID: <"YTLcj1.0.zF2.C7aTq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2295 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Wed, 19 Nov 1997 21:31:56 -0600 Jack DeMule writes: >Reinmann was right...the universe >is formed as we think of it. I can't describe how unsettling the >mere existence of such a device is to me. > Me too. I built a "Classic H-device" in the late 70's but I had problems with using the touch plate so I abandoned that approach for stand-alone devices that you could turn on and walk away from. Tried using quartz as the main amplifier element (used a TV color burst crystal) in series with a 741 op-amp. Sent I to a friend in Canada who said it worked fine for him. I could never bring myself to build the symbolic device (I once had a copy of the Campbell article) but it just shattered too many preconceived idea's...yet I was open-minded to try the hardware version. As for the speculation on what the other "kids" were thinking, I was kind of open- minded back in High School (the late 70's were the "pyramid power" days). Most of the people in my age group were NOT very open minded- I was a real square peg trying to fit a round hole. I even told one friend that my H-device was a device to "measure low frequency magnetic waves"....glad he never ask me Why I wanted to do that! ; ) Eloptically yours, Steve Heckman From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Nov 21 18:22:55 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA09191; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 18:22:01 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 18:22:01 -0800 (PST) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 21:17:01 -0500 Subject: Re: Beauty and the Machine Message-ID: <19971121.211705.6374.2.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-11,15-16,19-20,22-24 From: steve-nyeoka@juno.com (Stephen L Heckman) Resent-Message-ID: <"Rdfil1.0.RF2.47aTq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2294 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Thu, 20 Nov 1997 22:23:42 -0500 ralph muha writes: >>Regarding the strobe scalar, I'm curious what you were using for a >detector. >>Is it Shannons capacitor type > >yes, it's a modified Hodowanec detector, as suggested by Shannon. >the input stage is 1/2 a TL082, with a 100K pot for feedback and >a 1000 pf bypass cap. my 'reference' detector is a 1 uf mylar. > >r > I have intended to build a Hodowanec detector myself, I have a copy of the origional RE article plus i downloaded one from www.t-link.net/aquarius/gwrphome/circuits.htm. It shows an improved circuit designed to eliminate "scalar feedback". I'm not exactly sure what changes Shannon made, I would like to know, in case I want to duplicate any experiments (I just wound a large bifilar coil and have lots of strobes laying around the shop I work at). BTW, has anyone tried building the scalar electrostatic gradiometer (By the TVQ? group). All I have is a schematic. Steve Heckman From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Nov 21 18:22:33 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA05175; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 18:22:09 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 18:22:09 -0800 Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 18:22:02 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711220222.SAA04767@iceland.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re : Re: Electrogravitics : The Rambaut's spinning ball experiment Resent-Message-ID: <"1ICbX3.0.mG1.G7aTq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2296 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 09:16 PM 11/21/97 +0100, you wrote: >Hi All, > >I have attached .05mm dia copper wire at 180 degrees on opposite top and >bottom of the steel ball. DC r=25 ohms, my power supply at 8 volts is pumping >320 ma. the wire twitches alot upsetting the pendulum's rest state even when >the wires are well 'fixed' to minimise interference with the ball....so it's >not clear if there is a sponteneous force at work here. I will continue...... > Hi Rob, In my experiment, the wires were not attached to the ball exactly on its axis, so the IxB force on the wires (east or west), may exert a torque on the ball. I am going to retry it so this force will exert only a translation force, by having any offset either (magnetically) east or west. -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Nov 21 19:49:22 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA21719; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 19:47:51 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 19:47:51 -0800 (PST) From: MFergerson@aol.com Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 22:45:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971121224515_427938414@mrin41.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Beauty and the Machine (apology) Resent-Message-ID: <"eb81b2.0.GJ5.aNbTq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2297 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Jim Shaffer wrote: >Incidentally, if anyone feels this discussion is getting too far out >for freenrg-l, there's a radionics mailing list that doesn't have a lot >of traffic right now. To join, send a blank email to >cosi-list-info@amargiland.com. Thank you. I have done so. I personally agree with those who want to stick to ZPE "nuts & bolts" discussions, a la J. L Naudin (of whom I am somewhat jealous; I don't know where he finds the time) since hard results require hardware, but I have a problem being constrained to anyone's idea of "correct" thinking. OTOH, I also saw this list as an opportunity to "chew the fat" on subjects which would at least get me looked at oddly anywhere else. In future, I will try to keep my posts on this list in line with the hardware approach seemingly favored by most on the list, as I certainly do not wish to be seen as a distraction. Mark P.S. I'm going to find that reference on Tesla "generating thunderstorms". From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Nov 21 20:16:35 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA24868; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 20:15:33 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 20:15:33 -0800 (PST) From: MFergerson@aol.com Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 23:14:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971121231417_-1406759558@mrin51.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: X Energy Resent-Message-ID: <"l0ArV1.0.R46.ZnbTq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2298 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Fred, you wrote: >Hi Ron, > >> If you include Reichenbach's odic force and prana in your >> concept of X energy > >You bet! > >>then it can be generated by rapidly >> moving the hands to gether as if clapping them without >> touching them. You can feel the energy traveling up your >> arms. If the index fingers are held about 1/8" apart in >> the dark you can see a blue flame between them. > >I haven't seen a flame, but I have felt the "energy ball" between my hands >as a sort of rubbery feeling. I have felt energy running up my arms when I >picked up certain quartz crystals. This sort of thing annoys the heck out of me, as I have NEVER been able to directly see any of these effects. That's why I got into the H-device, etc.(of course, I also wear glasses since I'm nearsighted- any connection?) Incidentally, one of the most exciting experiments I ever did was with a copy of the Campbell drawing and a "volunteer", a car mechanic, who believed only in what he could touch. After feeling the "stick", he freaked out, left and wouldn't talk to me for a YEAR! Refuses to discuss it to this day. Mark From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Nov 21 21:35:54 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA04441; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 21:35:33 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 21:35:33 -0800 (PST) From: MFergerson@aol.com Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 00:34:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971122003419_1153847067@mrin46.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Beauty and the Machine Resent-Message-ID: <"yJR3k.0.I51.ZycTq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2299 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Khem wrote: >MFergerson@aol.com wrote: > The optical component of the H-device is very difficult miniaturize, and I could >really use some pointers. > Mark- > There's a great little paperback available from 'Top of the Mountain >Publishing', Pinellas Park, Florida 34665-2244, USA. >It's 'Mind Machines You Can Build', by G. Harry Stine. Right, read it and much more by Stine (Alternative View columns in Analog, etc.). I'm familiar with most designs for the coils, etc., but I'm trying to seriously miniaturize the optical portion of the circuitry. Think packing it into a 1 cm cube, while preserving the neccesary physical relationships-focusing, refraction, etc. Amplification and attenuation circuitry is easy to miniaturize, but for the optical part, the best I've come up with so far is a kind of optical transistor (transfractor?) consisting of a tiny (1/2 cm dia, 1 mm thick) quartz slab polished to a thin prism. Attaching leads allows electrically moving the position of a spot of light projected thru it at an angle onto a "collector" (the spot is "smeared" into a spectrum, moving the spot over the collector allows spectral selectivity); quartz doesn't produce nearly as good a spectrum as does glass, though. This apparatus is extremely fragile and awkward to adjust, and I was hoping someone had similar experience along different (but still miniaturizable) lines. The main problem so far is collimating the beam before it enters the thing; this takes an unreducible amount of volume. Mark From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Nov 21 22:44:12 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA12259; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 22:43:54 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 22:43:54 -0800 From: JNaudin509@aol.com Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 01:43:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971122014318_1659976700@mrin44.mail.aol.com> To: redesign@pavilion.co.uk cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re : Re: Re : Re: Electrogravitics : The Rambaut's spinning ball experiment Resent-Message-ID: <"tHJd51.0.R_2.fydTq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2300 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On 22/11/1997 02:26:00 , you wrote : << Hi All, I have suspended a 1 inch solid steel ball on a 0.15 mm dia. nylon thread at 930 mm suspension distance. The ball rotates slowly one way for 15 seconds and then the other way untill the pendulum settles down in about ten or so minits. ...... >> Hi Rob, I am glad that you have successfully reproduced this experiment. Its seems interesting that you have used less current than me (3A max) and a smaller diam wire. Have you tried to send DC pulses at the same period of your pendulum ? Today, I have build a small circuit using a 12V relay drived by a small pulse generator. By this way I am able to send DC pulses continuously and check if the period change with external interactions.....( I can send you my diagram, if you are interested.) What is the weight of your ball ?, I see also that your ball seems a massive ball, and it seems interesting to notice that I have used an hollow steel ball.... I have also tested non magnetic material like brass, and the spinning effect is occured. Good work, I look forward to receive your new feedback soon, This week end I have planned new experiments with Patrick Cornille and Michel Rambaut, as soon as I have some interesting result, I shall inform you...... I am glad to see that someone has choosen the way of experimenting for exploring new physic...... Sincerely, Jean-Louis Naudin 11/22/97 - 06:45GMT From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Nov 21 22:44:51 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA12552; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 22:44:39 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 22:44:39 -0800 From: MFergerson@aol.com Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 01:44:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971122014401_87719981@mrin44.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: X Energy Resent-Message-ID: <"lxUsW2.0.143.MzdTq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2301 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: R. Monteverde wrote: >B25B wrote: > > > If you include Reichenbach's odic force and > > prana in your concept of X energy ...[snip] ...If > > the index fingers are held about 1/8" apart in > > the dark you can see a blue flame between them. > >And I suppose it works better on a dry night when you first shuffle across >a carpet in your socks? Personally, I've never been able to see such things, but then, I'm nearsighted, too. >And then MFergerson writes: > > > This puts me in mind of Tesla generating > > thunderstorms without knowing formulas for > > resonance... > >Tesla was an engineer who was, among his peers, probably *the* person most >aware of and skilled at applying the principles and mathematics (formulas) >of resonance in his work. And Tesla never "[generated] thunderstorms" or >otherwise modified the weather. Could you possibly have it more wrong? Well, excuse me for apparently perpetuating another "urban legend". I have a reference here somewhere, and will find and cite it for you. >I hate to break it to some of you, but Tesla lived in the *real world*, a Tell that to the so-called great Edison and others who denigrated him in order to promote their own visions. (And aren't you enjoying your DC-wired house?) >world substantially enhanced technologically by his great gift of >invention. Fantasies such as the above aren't neccessary to enhance his >status which already stands tall on well deserved grounds. On the contrary >in fact, they demean him. No visionary can be demeaned by after-the-fact speculation as to their methods and motives. OTOH, any insight gained from such speculations might just allow some of us to continue along the lines of those who've gone before. >The list is supposed to be for discussions about experiments, or at least >ideas which might actually lead to some real doable work or experiment, but >this is devolving rapidly to that free-wheeling nonsense one can get >anywhere on the net or certain silly newsgroups. I am tempted to say something truly offensive here, but will limit myself to a refusal to be constrained by ANYONE's idea of correct thinking. >I'm not bashing the idea of some lateral drift and brainstorming, or even >the threads on ancient history and religious scriptures, from which we can >sometimes take clues to possible forgotten technologies. I'm sure I'm not >alone here in my interest in such discussions when they're well informed >and insightful. But could we try to keep it fact-based and at least a >little bit on topic? I perhaps was mistaken in my impression of this list. Nearly all my posts stick to things I've actually done (yes, I know the difference between 'scientific data' and 'apocryphal reports'). The recent thread between (mostly) Fred Epps and myself re: a possible common underlying theory of FE and Radionics may seem a waste of time, but who really knows which line of thought may prove fruitful? And as I've said elsewhere, if I can find a forum qualitatively similar to this which handles Radionics, you'll hear no more from me about it here. (Unless, of course, I think it applies. Oh, well. You can't please everybody.) Mark From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Nov 22 01:58:24 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA29012; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 01:58:02 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 01:58:02 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <971122014401_87719981@mrin44.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 23:57:46 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: X Energy Resent-Message-ID: <"za8KO1.0.C57.eogTq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2302 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Mark - > No visionary can be demeaned by after-the-fact > speculation as to their methods and motives. Of course they can! "Spin" on a person's reputation is real. This is true, at least in Tesla's case. Many people believe he was some sort of crackpot nowdays because of the attachment of his name to all sorts of "urban legends" and worse: new age nonsense. There has been a bit of ongoing rehabilitation lately due to the efforts of Tesla fans. I saw a textbook a couple of years ago, history I think, that listed him as the real inventor of the radio ahead of Marconi. Sorry if I came off too snappish. I get fed up with all the junk I've seen posted tying Tesla to this and that. The thunderstorm reference could have been either a general reference to his large coils generating 'artificial lightning' or similar. Or perhaps it was a specific reference to his largest operational coil in Colorado which damn near did create real lightning with streamers some think may have been over 100' long, strange electrical effects up to many miles away, and a blowout of the power company's equipment. Then again, it could have been made up stuff about weather mods, like the Tunguska blast being his fault, or the "Philadelphia Experiment" involvement. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Nov 22 04:06:26 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA12936; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 04:06:11 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 04:06:11 -0800 Message-ID: <3476CA7D.7FC3CA15@microtronics.com.au> Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 22:35:17 +1030 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List Server Freenrg CC: List Server Vortex Subject: Permanent Magnet Force Alternator data up Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"28btY3.0.x93.ngiTq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2303 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi All, I have updated the Rmog page with data on Peter Aldo's Permanent Magnet Force Alternator and its reducing current as output power is delivered is detailed. I am doing a series of QField sims to further investigate Peter's device. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Nov 22 04:08:59 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA13237; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 04:08:50 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 04:08:50 -0800 Message-ID: <3476CB1A.A0C2778F@microtronics.com.au> Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 22:37:54 +1030 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List Server Freenrg CC: List Server Vortex Subject: Rmog, Return Flux and "Wings" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"1AwzD3.0.WE3.FjiTq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2304 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi All, I have added more Rmog data on some of the design elements of the Rmog's flux gate. Its Return Flux and "Wings" where its all at. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Nov 22 05:19:54 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA07628; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 05:19:28 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 05:19:28 -0800 (PST) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 21:31:12 -0500 Subject: Re: Invention Shareware Message-ID: <19971122.081451.6374.0.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> References: <34758187.614A@keelynet.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-14 From: steve-nyeoka@juno.com (Stephen L Heckman) Resent-Message-ID: <"suWyc1.0.zs1.SljTq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2305 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Fri, 21 Nov 1997 04:41:43 -0800 Jerry writes: >Hi Folks! > >In an attempt to induce inventors with WORKING devices to share their >information, I wrote a document which has recently been updated to >show >other ways they could make money from their discovery, even with a >free >release of information on how to build a working prototype. > > Took a look at it, I think it is pretty good idea! Steve From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Nov 22 07:52:32 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA01049; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 07:51:49 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 07:51:49 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: rmuha@mail Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19971121.211705.6374.2.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 10:50:56 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: ralph muha Subject: Re: Beauty and the Machine Resent-Message-ID: <"KSKxz3.0.HG.J-lTq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2306 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 9:17 PM -0500 11/21/97, Stephen L Heckman wrote: >I'm not exactly sure what changes Shannon made, I would like to know, in >case I want to duplicate any experiments (I just wound a large bifilar >coil and have lots of strobes laying around the shop I work at). see "Notes on Scalar Detector Designs" by Bob Shannon at http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/freenrg/bark.html r From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Nov 22 08:28:52 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA08612; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 08:28:23 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 08:28:23 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3476F914.3E12B0C4@pavilion.co.uk> Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 16:24:11 +0100 From: Rob Dowse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Electrogravitics : The Rambaut's spinning ball experiment References: <199711220222.SAA04767@iceland.it.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Qv9FQ.0.Q62.YWmTq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2307 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dave Dameron wrote: > > At 09:16 PM 11/21/97 +0100, you wrote: > >Hi All, > > > >I have attached .05mm dia copper wire at 180 degrees on opposite top and > >bottom of the steel ball. DC r=25 ohms, my power supply at 8 volts is pumping > >320 ma. the wire twitches alot upsetting the pendulum's rest state even when > >the wires are well 'fixed' to minimise interference with the ball....so it's > >not clear if there is a sponteneous force at work here. I will continue...... > > > Hi Rob, > In my experiment, the wires were not attached to the ball exactly on its > axis, so the IxB force on the wires (east or west), may exert a torque on > the ball. I am going to retry it so this force will exert only a translation > force, by having any offset either (magnetically) east or west. > -Dave Hi Dave and all, For clarity I refer to the point of attachment of the suspension thread as the North pole of the ball. (I guess your axis is the same?) My wires are offset 20 or 30 degrees from the N and S poles and are on diametrically opposite sides of the ball. I have not yet started to think about directions of forces etc. as I want some data to work on derived from my (very) crude set up. I have not really attempted to rule out any thing like residually magnetism, lab wall and the proximity effects of local lab clutter! Currently (no pun intended!) I am seeing if the ball settles down to different rest positions with and without power in both directions (ie +ve and -ve reversal). It looks likely that the ball is simply acting as a compass so far...... --------- Rob Dowse From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Nov 22 08:29:07 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA08676; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 08:28:37 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 08:28:37 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3476F928.2B63C1A3@pavilion.co.uk> Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 16:24:31 +0100 From: Rob Dowse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Electrogravitics : The Rambaut's spinning ball experiment References: <971122014318_1659976700@mrin44.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"1Z86t3.0.Q72.nWmTq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2308 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: JNaudin509@aol.com wrote: > > On 22/11/1997 02:26:00 , you wrote : > > << Hi All, > > I have suspended a 1 inch solid steel ball on a 0.15 mm dia. nylon thread at > 930 mm suspension distance. The ball rotates slowly one way for 15 seconds > and > then the other way untill the pendulum settles down in about ten or so > minits. > ...... >> > > Hi Rob, > > I am glad that you have successfully reproduced this experiment. > Its seems interesting that you have used less current than me (3A max) and a > smaller diam wire. Have you tried to send DC pulses at the same period of > your pendulum ? Yes. The ball is excited with external force like a swing, but I only did this (very) crudely to see if there was any effect. > Today, I have build a small circuit using a 12V relay drived by a small pulse > generator. By this way I am able to send DC pulses continuously and check if > the period change with external interactions.....( I can send you my diagram, > if you are interested.) Thanks JL, yes I would like to try this. > What is the weight of your ball ?, I see also that your ball seems a massive > ball, and it seems interesting to notice that I have used an hollow steel > ball.... My solid steel ball is circa 67 grams. > I have also tested non magnetic material like brass, and the spinning effect > is occured. Yes. I want to try this next to elliminate the compass effect. I'd thought about blasting my ball with a tape head demagnetiser's signal or some ac to knock the residual magnetism out, but I think the application of the dc will just remagnetise it. I think my experimental apparatus is a sensitive compass at the moment I posted a few days a go suggesting a copper hollow ball with lead shot to copy the weight of your ball. I'll be going to a plumber's supply store on Monday! > Good work, I look forward to receive your new feedback soon, > This week end I have planned new experiments with Patrick Cornille and Michel > Rambaut, as soon as I have some interesting result, I shall inform you...... > > I am glad to see that someone has choosen the way of experimenting for > exploring new physic...... > > Sincerely, > > Jean-Louis Naudin > 11/22/97 - 06:45GMT Hi JL and all, Thanks for you kind words of encouragement JL. As most others on the list are, I'm amazed at your creativity and speed!!! Yes, I would like to see much more experiments being done and discused on freenrgy. OTOH I'm ambivalent and open towards the more way out stuff - as I can see it could lead somewhere. I look foreward to reading some experimental proposals from these guys, soon, as my strengths are in examining the concrete proposals of others rather than generating my own. PS I 've dumped the Re: Re: Re: Re: etc.... from the subject line as it's getting ridiculous. Who invented email any way? I find it so clunky to use (only joking!). --------- Rob Dowse From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Nov 22 09:23:49 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA20630; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 09:23:05 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 09:23:05 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: rmuha@mail Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19971119213156.006a86f4@palacenet.net> References: <3473A4EE.D543E562@bway.net> <971119170236_-464075179@mrin58.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 12:02:09 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: ralph muha Subject: Mind Machines You Can Build Resent-Message-ID: <"ypWqh3.0.925.pJnTq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2309 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >> There's a great little paperback available from 'Top of the Mountain >>Publishing', Pinellas Park, Florida 34665-2244, USA. >>It's 'Mind Machines You Can Build', by G. Harry Stine. this is available on the web, see http://www.abcinfo.com/mindmacx.html From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Nov 22 10:05:05 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA28687; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 10:03:36 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 10:03:36 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711221713.PAA12027@bigbox.plug-in.com.br> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Marcelo Puhl" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 15:16:29 -3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Eletrostatic transformer ? Reply-to: mark@plug-in.com.br Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Resent-Message-ID: <"4aD4P1.0.-_6.nvnTq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2310 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I was thinking about a conventional transformer, which uses magnetic flux variation to transform the volts/amperes of an AC signal. What will be the correspondent device to transform an high-voltage, low-current DC ( electrostatic ) into a low-voltage, high-current DC ? Marcelo From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Nov 22 10:26:02 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA03428; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 10:24:58 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 10:24:58 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: leoguitar@mail.vossnet.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Re: Permanent Magnet Force Alternator data up Cc: gwatson@microtronics.com.au Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 18:35:17 +0100 Message-Id: <19971122183517.29b64892.in@pop3.vossnet.de> Resent-Message-ID: <"9pZBv2.0.Gr.nDoTq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2311 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 22:35 22.11.1997 +1030, freenrg-l@eskimo.com wrote: >Hi All, > >I have updated the Rmog page with data on Peter Aldo's Permanent >Magnet Force Alternator and its reducing current as output power is >delivered is detailed. > >I am doing a series of QField sims to further investigate Peter's >device. > Well, be cautious ! It could also be, that the drive motor is just working better in this way and just has a better efficiency in this range, when it gets (sees) the "right" load ! That is why it should have been measured via a mechanical TORQUE METER at the drive motor shaft ! Only this way you can be sure, that it is NO INTERNAL EFFECT from the drive motor ! Please forward this answer to Pete Aldo ! Thanks ! Best regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Nov 22 10:26:13 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA03497; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 10:25:14 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 10:25:14 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: leoguitar@mail.vossnet.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Re: Dollard LMD Video by Borderland science Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 18:36:37 +0100 Message-Id: <19971122183637.29b782ee.in@pop3.vossnet.de> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx2.eskimo.com id KAA03385 Resent-Message-ID: <"oTuU82.0.Fs.-DoTq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2312 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >Hi Stefan, > >>>>What did they transmit ? >>> >>>An electric wave. It could have been modulated to then send signals like >>>telephone or radio transmission. >>> >> >>The question is, is there any absorbation of the signal by the earth and >>will it also get weaker over distance ? > >Yes, this was one of the questions they tried to demonstrate. 5000 ft was >the distance. Maybe at 100km it would have been clearer. It should better have been modulated by sound or some msuic or something like this, not just transmitting the carrier ! Probably a FM modulation would also work in this case, so it would have been more obvious ! Also a test of the produced normal RF power at the transmitter would help to see, if it is indeed no normal RF transmission ! > >>>>Just a carrier without modulation ? >>> >>>Yes, just the basic's. >>> >>>>And what was the receiver ? >>>> >>>>An US army Shortwave receiver ? >>> >>>Yeah! >>> >>>>Couldn´t this be explained by normal RF transmission ??? >>> >>>No. If you can review that tape again you'll understand there is a >>>difference between transverse and longitudinal wave propagation. Also read >>>Fred's post of Dollard's paper "The Principles of Wireless Transmission" >>>(DOL1.gif-DOL4.gif) it is a very good written description of Tesla's >>>longitudinal electricity. >> >>I am not yet convinced, that this could not have been a normal RF radio >>transmission, >>cause it was on Shortwave and these have a huge range ! >> >>How many KMs was it away from the lab ? I guess he said something about 5 miles >>or 5 kms ? or just 5000 foots ? > >Yes, 5000 feet. It was a short distance. I see, much too short for a convincing experiment in the shortwave range ! > >>I was already pretty tired when I watched the tape, so I will view it again >>and also again >>with Dieter Bauer. > >Yes, the second tape was all about the transmission of Tesla's longitudinal >electricity. Every one of the experiments demonstrated this. The short >wave experiment was the last experiment on the tape. If you understood what >was being done in all of the other experiments leading up to this then it >was a logical progression. Hmm, the power of the transmitter was about 15 Watts, when you compare it with the bulb being used and lit ! At 15 Watts RF power in shortwave range you can already transmit more than 5000 foot range , also if you don´t have a perfect antenna ! The long ground wire to the sink will also work as an antenna this way ! > >Yes, the transmission distance was short but remember the method of >transmission. A neon bulb was one end of the antenna, on the transmitter, >with the ground wire to the sink being the other end. The reciever was >then tuned to the transmitter's frequency and moved out to the beach. The >volume of sound recieved from the reciever was the same as back at the lab >as proof of wave strenght. Hmm, I guess the volume does not say anything...in this case... They should have shown an FM modulated source and should have shown received clear music at the beach ! This would have been much more convincing ! >BTW what did you think of the faster-than-light LMD experiment with the >oscillating current coil? I don´t understand this yet... What did they calculate ? a Lambda/4 wavelength in the coil compared to what ? The conclusions they have drawn were too simple, I bet, there could also be other effects to proove the results ???! I really have to watch the tape a few times more... Stay tuned for a better analysis from me... BTW, why should a longitudinal LMD transmitter have to be designed exactly this way ?? A very good example was the manual experiment with the wire hold in the hand by the two guys. This was very obvious, that the longitudinal oscillation is much better and requires less time to reach the receiver ! But how could these longitudinal waves be produced via this coil setup ?? This is still unclear to me... I would build it probably totally different, but I have not yet thought about, how I would build it and have to ponder about it ! I would build it like a "push and pull" circuit ! Exactly like the experiment with the guys manually pushing and pulling at the wire ! But since this video tape is already about 10 years old, what happened in the meantime ??? Did Dollard and Borderland Science do any new experiments to proove it right ??? Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Nov 22 14:15:51 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA09141; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 14:14:29 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 14:14:29 -0800 Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 10:11:13 +1100 Message-Id: <199711222311.KAA15807@main.murray.net.au> X-Sender: egel@mail.sa.ozland.net.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Geoff Egel Subject: Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: Electrogravitics : The Rambaut's spinning ball experiment Resent-Message-ID: <"yn9eO2.0.fE2.2brTq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2313 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 01:43 AM 11/22/97 -0500, you wrote: >On 22/11/1997 02:26:00 , you wrote : > Just one question . I have seen something done like this with ordinary string are you sure the nature twist in the thread is fully unwound. Maybe nothing but just a thought. Geoff http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135 http://www3.murray.net.au/users/egel ><< Hi All, > > I have suspended a 1 inch solid steel ball on a 0.15 mm dia. nylon thread at > 930 mm suspension distance. The ball rotates slowly one way for 15 seconds >and > then the other way untill the pendulum settles down in about ten or so >minits. > ...... >> > >Hi Rob, > >I am glad that you have successfully reproduced this experiment. >Its seems interesting that you have used less current than me (3A max) and a >smaller diam wire. Have you tried to send DC pulses at the same period of >your pendulum ? >Today, I have build a small circuit using a 12V relay drived by a small pulse >generator. By this way I am able to send DC pulses continuously and check if >the period change with external interactions.....( I can send you my diagram, >if you are interested.) >What is the weight of your ball ?, I see also that your ball seems a massive >ball, and it seems interesting to notice that I have used an hollow steel >ball.... >I have also tested non magnetic material like brass, and the spinning effect >is occured. >Good work, I look forward to receive your new feedback soon, >This week end I have planned new experiments with Patrick Cornille and Michel >Rambaut, as soon as I have some interesting result, I shall inform you...... > >I am glad to see that someone has choosen the way of experimenting for >exploring new physic...... > >Sincerely, > >Jean-Louis Naudin >11/22/97 - 06:45GMT > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Nov 22 14:22:14 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA23195; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 14:16:49 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 14:16:49 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711222144.QAA22213@csrlink.net> From: "Jim Shaffer, Jr." To: Subject: Re: Beauty and the Machine Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 13:28:07 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"AnU9X3.0.Ig5.DdrTq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2314 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > Right, read it and much more by Stine (Alternative View columns in Analog, > etc.). I'm familiar with most designs for the coils, etc., but I'm trying to > seriously miniaturize the optical portion of the circuitry. Is the optical portion strictly necessary? Way before Hieronymous, Dr. Albert Abrams was building tuners with capacitors and variable resistors. Charles Cosimano and another author I've read recently say you can make a quick box out of any cheap transistor radio. I haven't tried any of this, but it seems to be a common opinion. "There are four kinds of people in this world: cretins, fools, morons, and lunatics." --Umberto Eco From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Nov 22 14:47:15 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA26865; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 14:46:45 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 14:46:45 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 09:45:44 +1100 Message-Id: <199711222245.JAA09397@nornet.nor.com.au> X-Sender: openway@pophost.nor.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Peter Nielsen Subject: Re: the stick Resent-Message-ID: <"wItSX2.0.cZ6.H3sTq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2316 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >After feeling the "stick", he freaked out, left and wouldn't talk to me for a >YEAR! Refuses to discuss it to this day. > >Mark > The stick is caused by increased perspiration. A dowsing-type response similar ot that used in muscle testing of remedies etc. This is also the general basis for any direct readout devices, but it still depends on the body, or its bioplasmic field, as a transducer. BTW this has little to do with FE. I have been involved with the technical side of radionics for over 20 years but have resisted getting into this type of discussion as it would take too much input to get up to speed. There is a lot of old mythology around. These days, one would do better with some background reading in non-locality, action-at-a-distance, retrocausality, etc. It's all on the web, in the appropriate places. This list is starting to read like the "encyclopedia of the unexplained". Can we get back to the hardware before everyone with a functioning left brain disappears?? Peter Nielsen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Nov 22 14:47:16 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA26850; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 14:46:45 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 14:46:45 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 09:45:48 +1100 Message-Id: <199711222245.JAA09399@nornet.nor.com.au> X-Sender: openway@pophost.nor.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Peter Nielsen Subject: Re: electrostatic transformer? Resent-Message-ID: <"0BJ9u1.0.RZ6.G3sTq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2315 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >What will be the correspondent device to transform an high-voltage, >low-current DC ( electrostatic ) into a low-voltage, high-current DC ? > > >Marcelo > For AC this is done, in step-up mode, with a sintered piezoelectric element resonated between two outer plates. Sometimes used in cattle prods, etc. Peter Nielsen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Nov 22 15:08:20 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA20171; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 15:07:49 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 15:07:49 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971122170716.00772868@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 17:07:16 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: Re: Eletrostatic transformer ? In-Reply-To: <199711221713.PAA12027@bigbox.plug-in.com.br> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"ZpZ_d.0.tw4.3NsTq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2317 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 15:16 11/22/97 -3, Marcelo Puhl wrote: > >I was thinking about a conventional transformer, which uses magnetic flux >variation to transform the volts/amperes of an AC signal. > >What will be the correspondent device to transform an high-voltage, >low-current DC ( electrostatic ) into a low-voltage, high-current DC ? You can transform low voltage DC, to high voltage DC, with a variable capacitor. If you charge the capacitor with the plates meshed, and the open them, the voltage will increase as the capacitance decreases. Best Regards, JD ---------------------------------------------------------- The land was free, and the price was right. mules@palacenet.net ---------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Nov 22 15:35:53 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA26404; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 15:35:21 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 15:35:21 -0800 Message-ID: <347788D0.3B70@keelynet.com> Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 17:37:20 -0800 From: Jerry Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Invention Shareware References: <34758187.614A@keelynet.com> <19971122.081451.6374.0.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"emDJr.0.MS6.umsTq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2318 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Steve! I just hope someone does it....like Jeane Manning says, the inventor will reap rewards from many sources.....seeya! -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://www.keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / KeelyNet BBS (214) 324-3501 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite, Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Nov 22 15:52:06 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA27926; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 15:51:50 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 15:51:50 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971122175121.00d93b28@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 17:51:21 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: Re: the stick In-Reply-To: <199711222245.JAA09397@nornet.nor.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"U2--_3.0.Fq6.L0tTq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2319 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 09:45 11/23/97 +1100, Peter wrote: >There is a >lot of old mythology around. These days, one would do better with some >background reading in non-locality, action-at-a-distance, retrocausality, >etc. Action-at-a-distance _is_ old mythology. Such nonsense is spawned by the positivistic Copenhagen School ideology. What it has to do with radionic devices escapes me. Unless one unprovable theory is being marshalled to prove another. Circular arguments like that make both halves of my brain hurt. Yes, it's best that the list re-focus on the discussion of free energy. Perhaps, for a time, even directed at practical sources...sans obtuse discussions of ZPE and _theories_ of it's ilk. That's just a suggestion, of course, since the list will do as it pleases anyway. :) Any ideas for extracting energy from the Schumann resonance? A project dealing with the harnessing of those energies that we can ojectively prove exist would be interesting. Best Regards, the now one wretched year older, JD ---------------------------------------------------------- The land was free, and the price was right. mules@palacenet.net ---------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Nov 22 15:56:22 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA06345; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 15:55:42 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 15:55:42 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711222353.VAA21525@bigbox.plug-in.com.br> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Marcelo Puhl" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 21:55:59 -3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Eletrostatic transformer ? Reply-to: mark@plug-in.com.br Priority: normal In-reply-to: <3.0.1.32.19971122170716.00772868@palacenet.net> References: <199711221713.PAA12027@bigbox.plug-in.com.br> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Resent-Message-ID: <"_XArx3.0.2Z1.y3tTq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2320 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > > > >I was thinking about a conventional transformer, which uses magnetic flux > >variation to transform the volts/amperes of an AC signal. > > > >What will be the correspondent device to transform an high-voltage, > >low-current DC ( electrostatic ) into a low-voltage, high-current DC ? > > You can transform low voltage DC, to high voltage DC, with > a variable capacitor. If you charge the capacitor with the plates > meshed, and the open them, the voltage will increase as the capacitance > decreases. > > mules@palacenet.net > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Hummm... The reverse could be made, charge the capacitor when it is open and close it before. We could use a coil in this charging process. Maybe we could charge a coil and discharge it to an open capacitor. This capacitor would be rotated to discharge it when it closes and charged again when it opens. We get the charging energy from the discharging coil. Any chance of OU here ? Marcelo From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Nov 22 16:16:02 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA08437; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 16:15:35 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 16:15:35 -0800 (PST) Old-X-Envelope-To: Message-ID: <3477759D.F8B3159C@ctv.es> Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 01:15:26 +0100 From: Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga Reply-To: vramos@ctv.es X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Gray Patent X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ogWcr2.0.g32.bMtTq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2321 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi all, Another interesting patent, from E. Gray: http://patent.womplex.ibm.com/details?patent_number=4595975 (I don't know if is already in any list). Vicente. -- Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga E-mail: vramos@ctv.es Home Page: http://www.ctv.es/USERS/vramos/home.htm Burriana (Castellon) SPAIN From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Nov 22 16:46:11 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA09903; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 16:45:43 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 16:45:43 -0800 Message-ID: <3477A74C.535@tiac.net> Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 19:47:24 -0800 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Invention Shareware References: <34758187.614A@keelynet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"4FB4M.0.UQ2.rotTq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2322 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Jerry wrote: > > Hi Folks! > > In an attempt to induce inventors with WORKING devices to share their > information, I wrote a document which has recently been updated to show > other ways they could make money from their discovery, even with a free > release of information on how to build a working prototype. > > I would appreciate it if folks who are interested could check it out and > email any additions, corrections or positive suggestions to improve it. Hey Jerry, This is a compelling idea, but I think there are some points that might need attention. You cover Paranoia, Greed, and Secrecy, and then discuss those who are intentionally trying to scam others. While such people do exist, I think that its more common to find people who unknowingly have deceived themselves into thinking that their device is actually over unity. Rather than admit that they were wrong, and retract their claims, they obfuscate and hide their error, expecially from themselves. What remains attains urban legend status, and lies in wait like a landmine for the next newcommer to discover, and fail to reproduce working devices. I'm sure we all have our favorite examples of this behavior in action. Its awfully wasteful of the limited time, talend and resources devoted to alternative research. It seems that more time is wasted on devices we KNOW cannot possibly work than on looking into things that might. I dont think we can change human behavior to pevent this behavior on the part of inventors, so we must be very aggressive in showing what legendary devices simply do not, and never did work as claimed. But this level of objectivity is rare in 'true beleivers', which alternative researchers almost need to be in light of the 'known laws of physics', for whatever they are worth. We simply cannot afford to perpetuate mythic devices that cannnot deliver the goods. We have seen some researchers publishing very detailed information freely, exactly how would adopting a shareware business model help? Shareware has not made a significant impact on the profits of conventionally published software vendors. Many shareware users dont pay for the goods at all, so how will this business model address greed, which carries the desire for secrecy along with it? If the inventor must distribute the information packages by email or snailmail, the inventor limits the distribution of the information. It's likley that it would not find as large an audience as Jean-Louis's web page publications. Dont we need this information to find the largest possible set of people that might be able to prevent any suppression of the invention, or dispute over its origins? If people were trusting enough to try a shareware approach, I think that we would not be in the current situation. I just dont see how a shareware approach addresses the kind of thinking that keeps things under wrapps. Some people are shareing their work, and more should do so, but before we ask for a flood of new claims and devices, we really need to clean house with the many claims and devices already floating around out there. Any opinons? (At least its on topic!) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Nov 22 17:44:44 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA23530; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 17:42:13 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 17:42:13 -0800 From: MFergerson@aol.com Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 20:41:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971122204133_1282025386@mrin46.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Beauty and the Machine Resent-Message-ID: <"gBjHe.0.Wl5.pduTq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2323 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Jim Shaffer wrote: >Is the optical portion strictly necessary? Way before Hieronymous, Dr. >Albert Abrams was building tuners with capacitors and variable >resistors. Charles Cosimano and another author I've read recently say >you can make a quick box out of any cheap transistor radio. I haven't >tried any of this, but it seems to be a common opinion. In my experience, yes. I've tried the variableR/C dodges, and just get noise, no 'stick'. Theoretically (Rick, cover your ears!) the optical portion of the circuitry somehow 'selects' out ordinary EM, or possibly 'passes' whatever determines the Eloptic character of the signals involved. If somebody has a R/C setup I haven't tried, that works, please tell me where to find it! Mark From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Nov 22 18:07:26 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA29126; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 18:07:08 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 18:07:08 -0800 From: MFergerson@aol.com Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 21:06:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971122210631_1981003317@mrin43.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: X Energy Resent-Message-ID: <"lBkzX2.0.w67.B_uTq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2324 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: R. Monteverde wrote: > The thunderstorm reference could have >been either a general reference to his large coils generating 'artificial >lightning' or similar. Or perhaps it was a specific reference to his >largest operational coil in Colorado which damn near did create real >lightning with streamers some think may have been over 100' long, strange >electrical effects up to many miles away, and a blowout of the power >company's equipment. Then again, it could have been made up stuff about >weather mods, like the Tunguska blast being his fault, or the "Philadelphia >Experiment" involvement. The reference I had in mind (and still haven't located) had to do with Tesla's Colorado experiments (the largest coil, yes) being run at high power coincident with a very unexpected t-storm miles away which, in the words of the reporter, "struck without warning from a clear, blue sky". This was in addition to the strange, long range disturbances he is credited with (blamed for?). The report indicated that, unlike the "surprise" storms common to the area, which appear when a weather system piles up against the Rockies, the suspect storm came without the usual precursor "pileup" locals knew to look for. >Sorry if I came off too snappish. I get fed up with all the junk I've seen >posted tying Tesla to this and that. What, you didn't know he was the original MIB? ;>) Seriously, don't sweat it. Also, don't defame Tesla in front of ME, either. (Tunguska, Philly, yeah, I've heard them, too; I credit them about as much as do you.) > Many people believe he was some sort of crackpot >nowdays because of the attachment of his name to all sorts of "urban >legends" and worse: new age nonsense. Yeah, well, just imagine the stuff to be attached to us in 50 years :>( >There has been a bit of ongoing >rehabilitation lately due to the efforts of Tesla fans. I saw a textbook a >couple of years ago, history I think, that listed him as the real inventor >of the radio ahead of Marconi. Correct. The reason he got no credit at the time, AFAIK, was his distaste for publicizing his work after Edison and co. got through with him (the great Electric Chair tour). Much of the New Agers' attachments are the result of his secretiveness in his later years- if he could generate what most would call lightning, why, he COULD have done anything (they say). From his perspective, OTOH, any loon could, and usually did, twist facts and outright lie to discredit him in order to advance themselves (as you can probably tell, I'm no fan of Edison). OK, I think peace has been made (?). Just don't be surprised if I theorize off at the mouth occasionally. Fred started it, after all. Tell ME it's okay to spout some off-the-wall theories, and see what you get! Mark From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Nov 22 18:27:33 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA27174; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 18:26:32 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 18:26:32 -0800 (PST) From: MFergerson@aol.com Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 21:25:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971122212515_-1877083971@mrin41.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: the stick Resent-Message-ID: <"FMp4T1.0.Ve6.KHvTq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2325 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Peter Nielsen wrote: >The stick is caused by increased perspiration. A dowsing-type response >similar ot that used in muscle testing of remedies etc. This is also the >general basis for any direct readout devices, but it still depends on the >body, or its bioplasmic field, as a transducer. I'll take (provisionally) your word on the sweat concept (although I've never noticed any such thing [which only proves I didn't notice it])- but then you mention bioplasmic fields...... are you trying to confuse me? My point was the testee had NO way to explain something he couldn't, so he decided to ignore it. Not very left-brain, eh? Incidentally, that's why I am merging the H-device with the Neurophone derivative; to eliminate the unreliability of the 'stick' readout method. Most all interested in the thing agree a conscious operator in essential to make the thing work, and something more positive is needed. >BTW this has little to do with FE. I have been involved with the technical >side of radionics for over 20 years but have resisted getting into this type >of discussion as it would take too much input to get up to speed. I still think (ok, believe) there is a connection, in fact I shelved my work on the thing some time ago in favor of "normal" FE research, cause I couldn't see how to get power from the thing. > There is a lot of old mythology around. These days, one would do better with some >background reading in non-locality, action-at-a-distance, retrocausality, >etc. It's all on the web, in the appropriate places. Yup, seen most of it (I think). Not much help, as it seems to be the province of non-hardware oriented "mathematical physicists" (an oxymoron if I ever saw one). >This list is starting to read like the "encyclopedia of the unexplained". >Can we get back to the hardware before everyone with a functioning left >brain disappears?? Wait a minnit- are you saying theorizing is right-brain? Mark From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Nov 22 21:46:22 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA22418; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 21:45:58 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 21:45:58 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 23:45:08 -0600 (CST) From: Zack Widup Sender: Zack Widup Reply-To: Zack Widup Subject: Re: the stick To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com cc: neotech@xbn.shore.net In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19971122175121.00d93b28@palacenet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"b86In.0.AU5.KCyTq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2326 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Sat, 22 Nov 1997, Jack DeMule wrote: > At 09:45 11/23/97 +1100, Peter wrote: > >There is a > >lot of old mythology around. These days, one would do better with some > >background reading in non-locality, action-at-a-distance, retrocausality, > >etc. > > Action-at-a-distance _is_ old mythology. Such nonsense > is spawned by the positivistic Copenhagen School ideology. > > What it has to do with radionic devices escapes me. Unless > one unprovable theory is being marshalled to prove another. > Circular arguments like that make both halves of my brain > hurt. > > Yes, it's best that the list re-focus on the discussion > of free energy. Perhaps, for a time, even directed at > practical sources...sans obtuse discussions of ZPE and > _theories_ of it's ilk. > > That's just a suggestion, of course, since the list will > do as it pleases anyway. :) > > Any ideas for extracting energy from the Schumann resonance? > A project dealing with the harnessing of those energies > that we can ojectively prove exist would be interesting. > > > Best Regards, the now one wretched year older, > JD Is the neotech discussion list still functioning? There was a note from Glenda a while back mentioning it might be closed down, but I never heard if it did or not. This discussion would be very appropriate for that list. Zack From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Nov 22 22:00:52 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA23874; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 22:00:30 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 22:00:30 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 21:59:38 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711230559.VAA02832@sweden.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: Electrogravitics : The Rambaut's spinning ball experiment Cc: redesign@pavilion.co.uk, JNaudin509@aol.com Resent-Message-ID: <"wYhfr1.0.xq5.yPyTq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2327 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hello Rob, Jean-Louis and all, I redid the pendulum experiment, now with a 1.5meter length. The ball is hollow steel filled with pieces of lead. With: the ball hung by one of the wires making the connection, or one connection coming from the top, and the other coming from the bottom, the major force seems to be the ixB (B=earth's field), the force is east-west, it reverses direction with the current flow, and stays in the same direction if the whole experiment is rotated by 90 degrees. It seems very hard to measure the static deflection, as keeping the ball still, <0.5mm is difficult to do, to see this deflection. I tried a piece of glass to reduce any air currents moving the ball. However, about 10 timed pulses produces a 5mm swing with a current of about 4 Amp. More pulses can produce larger deflections with resonant timing, but the swing turns to an ellipse. With both wires coming from above, I notice something different. The 2 wires still seem to be affected by the earth's field. I.e., they move closer/apart with +/- current directions if they are spaced apart east-west. This eliminates the 2 wires interacting. If everything is rotated 90 degrees, so they are apart north-south, they still move east-west with current flow. However, the ball itself doesn't follow this rule. It moves toward me, independent of the direction of current, or orientation WRT the earth's field. I don't have an explanation for this??? I see very little ball rotation. The nylon cord may be enough of a twist spring to keep any from occuring. The wires are connected to the ball very close to the suspension axis to prevent torque to be coupled to the ball. I don't think the magnetic properties of the ball I've used has a major effect. > >For clarity I refer to the point of attachment of the suspension thread as the >North pole of the ball. (I guess your axis is the same?) My wires are offset >20 or 30 degrees from the N and S poles and are on diametrically opposite >sides of the ball. I have not yet started to think about directions of forces >etc. as I want some data to work on derived from my (very) crude set up. I >have not really attempted to rule out any thing like residually magnetism, lab >wall and the proximity effects of local lab clutter! > >Currently (no pun intended!) I am seeing if the ball settles down to different >rest positions with and without power in both directions (ie +ve and -ve >reversal). It looks likely that the ball is simply acting as a compass so >far...... > >--------- >Rob Dowse > -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Nov 22 22:45:48 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA00104; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 22:40:27 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 22:40:27 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3477EC45.7513@keelynet.com> Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 00:41:41 -0800 From: Jerry Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Invention Shareware References: <34758187.614A@keelynet.com> <3477A74C.535@tiac.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"vYon01.0.gK7.O_yTq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2328 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Bob et.al! With regard to your concerns about the shareware idea winding up swamping us with new claims....I personally welcome such a swamping, in the hope that somewhere in all that chaff will be one or two nuggets that might work. The main reason for the shareware was to get not only credit for the inventor, but also to provide some income as reward...I nor anyone else can guarantee an income from the idea, but nothing would be forthcoming from people who tried it and it did not work...I would not give a dime towards anyone claim I tried to duplicate and failed, causing me to lose time and money for nothing. The entire free energy field is so replete with historical accounts of devices which to my knowledge have not been successfully duplicated, that it is time to try something different. You and I both are well aware of some of the failures which have become near mythic....I think one way to clear that up would be to setup pages that give as much detail on the claimed device as possible, then certainly the proofs if it does work or doesn't work....then let people judge for themselves...this is something a lot of people would much appreciate because no one likes to waste time or money on 'lab queen's' (devices that only work under certain ideal controlled conditions as in a laboratory setup) or devices that were erroneously measured. The intent of the invention shareware is clearly stated in the document, to get the details out, give credit to the inventor and provide for some type of financial recovery. >From what I see and hear, nothing else is happening that has led to anything we can buy or build, whether as kits, completed devices or WORKING plans....once a few people prove the device and these are publicized and demonstrated, it will take off like wildfire.... So many in the past have claimed to have working devices that they would share, yet nothing of any practical use has been provided. This is one method (and there are no doubt others) that might get something going. We aren't getting any younger. -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://www.keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / KeelyNet BBS (214) 324-3501 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite, Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Nov 22 23:09:07 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA08433; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 23:08:49 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 23:08:49 -0800 Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 23:08:41 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711230708.XAA22978@sweden.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: Invention Shareware Resent-Message-ID: <"4nh9a2.0.g32.0QzTq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2329 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 07:47 PM 11/22/97 -0800, Bob Shannon wrote: >You cover Paranoia, Greed, and Secrecy, and then discuss those who are >intentionally trying to scam others. While such people do exist, I think >that its more common to find people who unknowingly have deceived >themselves into thinking that their device is actually over unity. > >Rather than admit that they were wrong, and retract their claims, they >obfuscate and hide their error, expecially from themselves. > >What remains attains urban legend status, and lies in wait like a >landmine for the next newcommer to discover, and fail to reproduce >working devices. > >I'm sure we all have our favorite examples of this behavior in action. >Its awfully wasteful of the limited time, talend and resources devoted >to alternative research. It seems that more time is wasted on devices >we KNOW cannot possibly work than on looking into things that might. > Hi Bob, I agree! I think it would be very hard for people to agree on a list of devices that have not worked. At least those that were not "dropped" very quickly and didn't attract a following, or the many that have been eliminated. Multiple lists might eliminate EVERYTHING! I'm sure everyone can think of devices that only the original worked, or the inventor claimed it worked. Maybe not to step on anyone's toes, I'll mentioned a "far out" one. The Ford model T engine with slots in its flywheel, so that if gasoline wasn't available, magnets could be inserted in the slots and the car could run magnetically. In this case, there wasn't even a "one-of" working machine, or a theory, just speculation? Can anyone tell me why this should run? -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Nov 22 23:51:39 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA15053; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 23:51:26 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 23:51:26 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971123015034.00d8fa0c@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 01:50:34 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: Re: the stick In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.1.32.19971122175121.00d93b28@palacenet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"z_qq52.0.5h3.z1-Tq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2330 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 23:45 11/22/97 -0600, Zack wrote: >Is the neotech discussion list still functioning? There was a note from >Glenda a while back mentioning it might be closed down, but I never heard >if it did or not. > >This discussion would be very appropriate for that list. > >Zack Ok, I checked the suggested list of topics... "Overunity" Electrogravity & inertia violation Scalar Electromagnetism Psi phenomena and Paranormal Relativity violation Unusual scientific instruments My suggestion of harnessing known sources of energy, although presently untapped, and seemingly inexhaustible, is indeed off topic. Ok, fair enough...The rest of the message was on topic. (God Fred is hitting dead on topics 4 & 5, I think) :) I still believe that FE research is bogged down in "ZPE think"...maybe ZPE is real...maybe not. It seems to be a religious experience for some. Personally, I do not see any reason at this time to believe that there is a ponderable aether. I may change my mind tomorrow, if objective data is presented that warrants it. Oh, and if the data is down in the noise, and requires arcane methods of extraction, I'm but buying it. I'm looking for what the human race needs to truly improve it's condition. Cheap abundant energy, and I don't care where it comes from. Best Regards, JD ---------------------------------------------------------- The land was free, and the price was right. mules@palacenet.net ---------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Nov 23 01:09:57 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA22262; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 01:09:32 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 01:09:32 -0800 Message-ID: <34780F61.1FD3@keelynet.com> Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 03:11:29 -0800 From: Jerry Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Invention Shareware References: <199711230708.XAA22978@sweden.it.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"VAwij.0.lR5.BB_Tq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2331 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Dave! You mention the Model T engine story....this story came from an inventor in Alaska who claimed he knew one of the three guys who tested a version of it....I just reported the story as he told it because it was quite interesting....the same guy, Tim Thrapp, who told me this claimed he has a working 50KW O/U device that is being looked at by Zenergy. If we stumble across even one working device that people can build without having to put up a franchise/partnership or such fee, it will make this worthwhile...no doubt, at that time, many will jump on the bandwagon as 'always having had confidence it would happen'..... There are those people and groups who love to promote mystery or a claim to being 'the masters' of a given technology, they have yet to provide anything useful to my knowledge....each year it is amusing to hear how a working device will be demonstrated at this or that onference - sure....hasn't happened yet that I know of. Computer networking has made it possible for many to share what they have with those who are interested...it always puzzles me why so many would even look and respond to information which goes against their particular belief system....just ignore it, no one that I know of has been appointed a guardian of truth to protect society or the 'minds of the gullible.' So much easier and comforting to ignore anything new, radical or 'crazy' for fear it just might work or require re-education....it WILL happen, though maybe not released in the form I would like to see, i.e. freely posted......seeya! -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://www.keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / KeelyNet BBS (214) 324-3501 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite, Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Nov 23 01:21:17 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA23318; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 01:21:00 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 01:21:00 -0800 From: JNaudin509@aol.com Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 04:20:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971123042024_-1305000666@mrin86.mail.aol.com> To: ddameron@earthlink.net, redesign@pavilion.co.uk, freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re : Re: Electrogravitics : The Rambaut's spinning ball experiment Resent-Message-ID: <"jOg601.0.9i5.xL_Tq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2332 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On 23/11/1997 00:36:50 , ddameron@earthlink.net wrote : << Hi Rob, In my experiment, the wires were not attached to the ball exactly on its axis, so the IxB force on the wires (east or west), may exert a torque on the ball. I am going to retry it so this force will exert only a translation force, by having any offset either (magnetically) east or west. -Dave >> Hi Dave, Bob and all experimenters, I have tested the Rambault's spinning ball with the wire soldered on the AXIS of rotation of the device, by this way the current flow from the bottom to the top. There is NO dissymmetry in the magnetic field generated by the the device. In this case the effect also occur, the device rotate clockwise. and the earth magnetic field can't interact with the effect observed due to this symetry..... Dont' forget the main goal is to check if a theory can be confirmed by the experiment, not to prove that a theory is true....... Thank you very much for sharing your feedback, this is very helpfull and this push forward the research in this domain of the new physic...... Sincerely, Jean-Louis Naudin 11/23/97 - 09:19GMT From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Nov 23 01:49:51 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA14312; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 01:49:35 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 01:49:35 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711230948.BAA27471@mail1.halcyon.com> From: "Fred Epps" To: "Free Energy" Subject: I'm going off the lists Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 13:48:37 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"QYyXw2.0.WV3.jm_Tq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2333 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Folks! I have decided to unsubscribe from free energy and vortex lists. I find that I don't really believe in the structure of science as it has been put forward, because it is still essentially based on the idea that there is an objective reality "out there" which can be taken apart as if it were a machine. Instead I "believe" (and this is the proper word) that our beliefs are patterns that organize reality. People with training in mechanistic science are not a receptive audience for this idea, and I have no right to expect them to be, because it blows the idea of replicable experiments right out of the water. Believers will see overunity results and sceptics will see none, analogous to the "sheep" and "goats" seen in parapsychological testing. In this view, there is no ultimate, objective truth, just various social constructions of reality which actually determine what can happen on the subatomic level. Theories or models of reality become simply lists of limitations that one adheres to. The more convincing one's theory, the more limited one becomes. In addition I have come to see that the quest for an overunity machine is similar in nature to the alchemist's search for the Philosopher's Stone. It is an externalization of a basically internal quest for power-- a power which we define in this age as technical power, but which is ultimately an internal, spiritual power. It is really quite obvious that no new source of energy is needed on this Earth--- what is needed is simply the will POWER within each of us to cooperate in the uses of the resources already available. Despite my recognition that an overunity machine is not necessary, I still find it interesting to research an Earth Power system that is adaptable to a decentralized way of life, and is literally based om harmony with the Earth. If I get any results I will certainly post them. There is a man in Brazil named Tomasz who, before the eyes of numerous observers, and videotape, and without touching the materials at hand, can concentrate on a plate full of broken, raw eggs and turn them into live baby chicks. The evolution of the chick's bodies is observed like a speeded up film. This is a fact. There is no extant scientific theory which can accomodate this fact, or the numerous well-documented manifestations of Satya Sai Baba of India, or the hundreds of thousands of successful operations done in a trance state by the Brazilian peasant Arigo with a rusty knife, or the many other amazing things which occur from time to time in less-indoctrinated parts of our world. Science has not only failed to understand these occurences, it PREVENTS understanding of them through its conceptual biases. I don't feel the need to work within that structure anymore. Of course I will respond to all private mail (and I hope to hear from you!) and I will probably pop in every now and then to see what's happening. It's been fun! I hope I haven't been too much of an irritation to you good people :-) Goodbye for now... Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Nov 23 01:55:24 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA26088; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 01:55:03 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 01:55:03 -0800 From: JNaudin509@aol.com Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 04:51:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971123045132_-1742503736@mrin47> To: ddameron@earthlink.net, freenrg-l@eskimo.com cc: redesign@pavilion.co.uk, egel@main.murray.net.au Subject: Re : Re: Electrogravitics : The Rambaut's spinning ball experiment Resent-Message-ID: <"tBDR01.0.ON6.sr_Tq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2334 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On 23/11/1997 10:44:48 , ddameron@earthlink.net wrote : << With both wires coming from above, I notice something different. The 2 wires still seem to be affected by the earth's field. I.e., they move closer/apart with +/- current directions if they are spaced apart east-west. This eliminates the 2 wires interacting. If everything is rotated 90 degrees, so they are apart north-south, they still move east-west with current flow. However, the ball itself doesn't follow this rule. It moves toward me, independent of the direction of current, or orientation WRT the earth's field. I don't have an explanation for this??? I see very little ball rotation. The nylon cord may be enough of a twist spring to keep any from occuring. The wires are connected to the ball very close to the suspension axis to prevent torque to be coupled to the ball. I don't think the magnetic properties of the ball I've used has a major effect. >> Hi Dave, Rob and all, Very interesting feedback, Dave, I have also checked this, I think that we have an interaction with the earth but I don't think that this is a conventional interaction ( with the earth magnetic field )....I need to explore more about this effect.... We need to check if the effect is greater with a hollow or solid ball. It seems interesting to notice that rob has used a solid 1 inch (67gr) ball and has able to obtain a spin with only 320mA. I have used a 73mm hollow steel ball (700 gr)... For your information, I have also test no magnetic material like brass and the effect also occur....the nature of the material ( magnetic or non magnetic material) doesn't seems the source of the main effect..... Hi Egel, you wrote : <> Yes, this has been checked.... Sincerely, Jean-Louis Naudin 11/23/97 - 09:46GMT From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Nov 23 02:21:52 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA27970; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 02:21:36 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 02:21:36 -0800 Message-ID: <34780595.EC3@swipnet.se> Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 11:29:41 +0100 From: Roger Natanaelsson X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Conical Coils - shareware Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"hFb-.0.pq6.lE0Uq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2335 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Left/Right thinkers, Any theory or experiment of conical coils. I did find aluminium cones at a Hi-Fi shop, they was made to put under speakers to avoid mechanical feedback. http://www.spiritweb.org/Spirit/free-energy-status.html Oliver Nichelson (1991) summarized two of Tesla's later energy generation device designs, including a turbine-shaped Unipolar Dynamo design for a machine that can continue to produce electricity after being disconnected from an outside power source. This paper is also important because it also describes Tesla's "Coil for Electro- Magnetics," patented in 1893. This coil looks exactly the same as would the counter-wound conical coils of Walter Russell, if Russell's coils were drawn on a piece of paper in two dimensions. http://www.pupman.com/listarchives/february/msg00204.html It has been noted by Mark Barton with his conical coils that the symmetry of the winding is effectively disrupted when the conical secondary is closewound with wire graded in thickness to match the current distribution. He found that Q was greatly lowered, as evidenced by poorer selectivity. He noted that he could tap the primary virtually anywhere and still get a significant output. Fender Guitar.... http://www.tiac.net/users/musicman/parts.htm GP740. Fender pickup springs, 60s, "cone coils" as used on pre-CBS strats!, one pair $ 20. Regards .oOo. Oo.oO Roger From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Nov 23 09:57:16 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA27745; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 09:56:46 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 09:56:46 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711231755.JAA01908@mailtod-121.bryant.webtv.net> From: leelouden@webtv.net (Lee Louden) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 09:55:24 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Invention Shareware Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"kJsjf1.0.Pn6.Sv6Uq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2336 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: WELL SAID JERRY!! When I was a kid in High school, my dad subscribed to Mechanic's Illustrated and Popular Science. Every month both mags. would feature wonderful new inventions that would be available (soon) I never saw any of them in the stores; here it is 40 years later and the same thing is still going on. I hope your idea helps. Lee From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Nov 23 11:06:43 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA01243; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 11:06:16 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 11:06:16 -0800 Message-ID: <34789B39.129C@keelynet.com> Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 13:08:09 -0800 From: Jerry Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Invention Shareware References: <199711231755.JAA01908@mailtod-121.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"rDTRZ3.0.KJ.dw7Uq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2337 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Lee Louden wrote: > > WELL SAID JERRY!! > > When I was a kid in High school, my dad subscribed to Mechanic's > Illustrated and Popular Science. Every month both mags. would feature > wonderful new inventions that would be available (soon) I never saw any > of them in the stores; here it is 40 years later and the same thing is > still going on. I hope your idea helps. > > Lee Hi Lee! Thanks, I too was one of those kids who made sure I got EVERY ISSUE of Pop Sci, Pop Mech and Mechanix Illustrated....the covers and future concepts just kept me alive with wonder....but when you look back at them today, NONE of them ever came to reality.. I don't know if you've read them, but we have a series of files that were collected about the Sonora Aero Club and some of the airship sightings in the US back in the 1800's. These guys were so advanced but because of secrecy and a fear governments would use their technology for war, they either died with the secrets or are still around but keeping quiet. If they are still around, surely they have gone MUCH FARTHER in their understanding of gravity and flight. All it takes is that one working device that others will successfully duplicate and all hell will break loose...seeya! -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://www.keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / KeelyNet BBS (214) 324-3501 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite, Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Nov 23 11:35:10 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA10365; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 11:34:46 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 11:34:46 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711231933.LAA07744@mailtod-122.bryant.webtv.net> From: leelouden@webtv.net (Lee Louden) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 11:33:58 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Invention Shareware Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"J8t7d2.0.mX2.JL8Uq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2338 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Jerry, No I haven't seen the Sonora files but would like to. I assumed you are referring to Keely net files but I couldn't find them there. Guess I don't know where to look. I was very involved with a local UFO study group for years and while many UFologists assumed that the great airships of the 1800's were all part of the E.T. activity, I always said that was absurd. I always assumed that the airships were very terestial and built by inventors who were way ahead of their time as Tesla was. Their were a lot of very brilliant inventors living at that time. Lee From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Nov 23 12:22:19 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA18166; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 12:21:56 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 12:21:56 -0800 (PST) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 15:17:54 -0500 Subject: Re: Awesome PPM Message-ID: <19971123.151757.6374.0.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> References: <199711211707.JAA09716@iceland.it.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-11,13-16 From: steve-nyeoka@juno.com (Stephen L Heckman) Resent-Message-ID: <"7DbcQ1.0.kR4.Y19Uq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2339 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Fri, 21 Nov 1997 09:07:18 -0800 (PST) Michael Randall writes: If so then it is based on >Minato's >5,594,289 patent. Curtis said the unit he saw in Korea were crescent >shaped >magnets which would be more difficult to replicate. I also posted >some >questions to Minato on this. > I hadn't seen this patent yet, but the Johnson PPM also used crescent shaped magnets (one reason that i never tried to build it). Steve Heckman From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Nov 23 12:39:08 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA19508; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 12:38:48 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 12:38:48 -0800 X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <971123042024_-1305000666@mrin86.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 10:39:24 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re : Re: Electrogravitics : The Rambaut's spinning ball experiment Resent-Message-ID: <"BPkk41.0.jm4.NH9Uq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2340 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Jean-louis - > There is NO dissymmetry in the magnetic field > generated by the the device. You don't suppose electricity would run around the outside perimeter of the ball, creating eddy convection currents along the way? That seems assymetrical to me, and it's the magnetic fields arising from such currents that interact with the earth's magnetic field. Dave's results are strange, if I read them right. The ball comes *towards* you, no matter what the orientation is? * How close are you standing? Does it 'follow' you if you move around on a single run? * Does the motion correspond to the placement of the external circuit, including switches? Has anyone thought of hanging the battery on a platform with the ball? Homopolars work only when there's a reference frame motional difference between the conductor in its frame and the external circuit in another frame. If you eliminate the difference between the frames in this experiment by putting the battery and feed wires in the same frame as the ball, you eliminate any such motor type forces, as well as prove that its a reactionless or unbalanced force (what we're really hoping for) if it still works - and it isn't just earth's magnetism making it rotate. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Nov 23 14:58:55 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA13705; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 14:58:18 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 14:58:18 -0800 Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 14:58:09 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711232258.OAA05465@sweden.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: Electrogravitics : The Rambaut's spinning ball experiment Resent-Message-ID: <"rAfTu.0.uL3.8KBUq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2341 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 10:39 AM 11/23/97 -1000, you wrote: >Dave's results are strange, if I read them right. The ball comes *towards* >you, no matter what the orientation is? > >* How close are you standing? Does it 'follow' you if you move around on a >single run? > It takes several minutes to see the direction of the movement. I now believe the ball's movement towards me was an artifact - this movement is toward the knife switch - a downward deflection of my workbench of 0.01 degree would explain the deflection! (0.25mm over the 1.5 meter pendulum length). The deflection which changes direction with the current flow I still see- I believe it is the current interaction with's the earth's magnetic field- by watching the movement of the wires as well. -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Nov 23 14:58:58 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA13727; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 14:58:21 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 14:58:21 -0800 Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 14:58:12 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711232258.OAA05482@sweden.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: Invention Shareware Resent-Message-ID: <"x5Eec.0.IM3.BKBUq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2342 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 03:11 AM 11/23/97 -0800, you wrote: >Hi Dave! > >You mention the Model T engine story....this story came from an inventor >in Alaska who claimed he knew one of the three guys who tested a version >of it....I just reported the story as he told it because it was quite >interesting....the same guy, Tim Thrapp, who told me this claimed he has >a working 50KW O/U device that is being looked at by Zenergy. > Thanks, Jerry, Yes, I read about it on Keelynet. It seemed strange as the magnets were on the flywheel rotor, but no mention of any stator configuration, like most magnetic motor designs. Have you heard from Tim since? Yes, to use the shareware proposal, all I need to do is come up with something that appears to work! -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Nov 23 15:15:38 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA15809; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 15:10:24 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 15:10:24 -0800 (PST) Old-X-Envelope-To: Message-ID: <3478B7CE.9916569@ctv.es> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 00:10:07 +0100 From: Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga Reply-To: vramos@ctv.es X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Where is Bedini? X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"CHihX3.0.qs3.TVBUq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2344 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi all, Bedini's page dont work since yesterday. Anyone have notices? Vicente. -- Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga E-mail: vramos@ctv.es Home Page: http://www.ctv.es/USERS/vramos/home.htm Burriana (Castellon) SPAIN From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Nov 23 15:28:44 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA16959; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 15:08:05 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 15:08:05 -0800 Old-X-Envelope-To: Message-ID: <3478B764.773DC8FF@ctv.es> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 00:08:20 +0100 From: Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga Reply-To: vramos@ctv.es X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: I'm going off the lists X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199711230948.BAA27471@mail1.halcyon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"d1pxO1.0.m84.KTBUq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2343 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Fred Epps wrote: > Hi Folks! > > I have decided to unsubscribe from free energy and vortex lists. I > find > that I don't really believe in the structure of science as it has been > put > forward, because it is still essentially based on the idea that there > is an > objective reality "out there" which can be taken apart as if it were a > > machine. Instead I "believe" (and this is the proper word) that our Do you mean esoteric sciences have more credibility than this list?. You have a great mind, and all your comments have proof. You have the last choice. Vicente. -- Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga E-mail: vramos@ctv.es Home Page: http://www.ctv.es/USERS/vramos/home.htm Burriana (Castellon) SPAIN From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Nov 23 15:50:44 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA21507; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 15:49:56 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 15:49:56 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 16:49:13 -0700 (MST) From: Steve Ekwall X-Sender: ekwall2@november To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Awesome PPM In-Reply-To: <19971123.151757.6374.0.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"5-jKQ1.0.xF5.Y4CUq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2345 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Sun, 23 Nov 1997, Stephen L Heckman wrote: >>On Fri, 21 Nov 1997 09:07:18 -0800 (PST) Michael Randall >> writes: -snip- >> If so then it is based on >>>Minato's >>>5,594,289 patent. Curtis said the unit he saw in Korea were crescent >>>shaped >>>magnets which would be more difficult to replicate. I also posted -snip- >>I hadn't seen this patent yet, but the Johnson PPM also used crescent >>shaped magnets (one reason that i never tried to build it). >> >>Steve Heckman >> >> Speaking of weird shaped magnets.. does anyone know of a good way to MAKE some, that the metal would hold flux after a DC charging? (any shape) OR is our best technology always being a poured alloy in charged form? i.e. Would one need a foundry or a DC welder for crescent, triangliar shaped pieces? -=se=- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Nov 23 16:05:40 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA24182; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 16:04:20 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 16:04:20 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 11:02:40 +1100 Message-Id: <199711240002.LAA20931@nornet.nor.com.au> X-Sender: openway@pophost.nor.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Peter Nielsen Subject: Re: I'm going off the lists Resent-Message-ID: <"FKpYj2.0.kv5.-HCUq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2347 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >Goodbye for now... > >Fred > Sorry to see you go Fred. Your phenomenal energy input did alot for this list. All the non-objective processes you recently mention are really objective at a finer level of perception. A few hundred years ago people didn't believe in microbes and thought the Earth was flat. Then our science got better, as it continues to do. Isn't that what this list is about? Happy trails, and don't fall off the edge :-) Hope to see you again with the first birds of Spring. Peter Nielsen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Nov 23 16:05:41 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA26374; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 16:03:23 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 16:03:23 -0800 Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 11:02:47 +1100 Message-Id: <199711240002.LAA20941@nornet.nor.com.au> X-Sender: openway@pophost.nor.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Peter Nielsen Subject: Re: the stick Resent-Message-ID: <"9SqDp.0.-R6.AHCUq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2346 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >Action-at-a-distance _is_ old mythology. Such nonsense >is spawned by the positivistic Copenhagen School ideology. > >What it has to do with radionic devices escapes me. Unless >one unprovable theory is being marshalled to prove another. > If you think it's unproven, you are not aware of the relevant literature. Try reading about Berry's Phase and Hannay's Angle for a start. Real experiments. Peter Nieslen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Nov 23 16:20:40 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA26414; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 16:20:03 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 16:20:03 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971123181752.006b349c@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 18:17:52 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: Re: Awesome PPM In-Reply-To: References: <19971123.151757.6374.0.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"4ZsQ-.0.bS6.lWCUq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2348 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 16:49 11/23/97 -0700, Steve Ekwall wrote: >Speaking of weird shaped magnets.. does anyone know of a good way to MAKE >some, that the metal would hold flux after a DC charging? (any shape) OR >is our best technology always being a poured alloy in charged form? >i.e. Would one need a foundry or a DC welder for crescent, triangliar >shaped pieces? Some magnet alloys are difficult to machine, they are hard, and brittle. But not all... If you bought uncharged slugs you could machine them with a mill, and then charge them. I guess it depends on how strong a magnet you need. Soft Iron is easy to machine. It's easy to charge, and easy to obtain too. Magnetizing the part once it's machined is best accomplished by putting it in a coil made from a few turns of copper tubing, and discharging a big bank of capacitors through the coil. Some commercial chargers condition the part with an AC current first. I've never tried it though. I used 120,000uF charged, with a voltage tripler, and controlled with a variac. The switch is low tech too...a huge three phase contactor, with the contacts wired in parallel. The coil is three turns of 3/8 copper, wound on a hollow plastic form that is machined with external "threads" to hold the coil in place. The mechanical force when the switch is closed is considerable. There is a cover that prevents the past from being imbedded in the ceiling. :) Best Regards, JD ---------------------------------------------------------- The land was free, and the price was right. mules@palacenet.net ---------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Nov 23 16:36:16 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA32474; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 16:35:51 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 16:35:51 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971123183444.006b347c@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 18:34:44 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: Re: the stick In-Reply-To: <199711240002.LAA20941@nornet.nor.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"MCDrj.0.Jx7.clCUq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2349 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 11:02 11/24/97 +1100, Peter Nielsen wrote: >If you think it's unproven, you are not aware of the relevant literature. >Try reading about Berry's Phase and Hannay's Angle for a start. Real >experiments. Been there, done that.... Seriously flawed, and in any case the results are open to other interpretations. People will believe what they want, or need, to believe. Best Regards, JD ---------------------------------------------------------- The land was free, and the price was right. mules@palacenet.net ---------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Nov 23 16:47:01 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA01682; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 16:46:46 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 16:46:46 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 19:43:05 -0500 Subject: Re: Voltage multipliers Message-ID: <19971123.194316.7550.1.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-3,6-8 From: steve-nyeoka@juno.com (Stephen L Heckman) Resent-Message-ID: <"tGGeE3.0.AQ.qvCUq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2350 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Anyone consider using a automotive-type ignition coil to generate HV pulses. They are designed to output a pulsed DC like a TV flyback, and can be driven with a similar circuit posted to drive a flyback. The reason I mention it is there are "aftermarket" coils that output nearly 50 KV, meaning if you run a second at the opposite polarity, you would have approx. 100Kv for electrogravitation experiments. Steve Heckman From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Nov 23 16:59:10 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA05125; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 16:58:50 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 16:58:50 -0800 Message-ID: <3478C2AE.F9B0F5E0@pavilion.co.uk> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 00:56:51 +0100 From: Rob Dowse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Re : Re: Electrogravitics : The Rambaut's spinning ball experiment References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"h43tF1.0.-F1.95DUq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2351 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Rick Monteverde wrote: > > Jean-louis - > > > There is NO dissymmetry in the magnetic field > > generated by the the device. > > You don't suppose electricity would run around the outside perimeter of the > ball, creating eddy convection currents along the way? That seems > assymetrical to me, and it's the magnetic fields arising from such currents > that interact with the earth's magnetic field. I'm not sure what path a DC current would take through a ball. AC tends to route itself closer to the surface of a conductor (and beyond) with increasing frequency. If there were surface flow producing a magnet field it may be self symetrical and self cancelling over a sphere? Or we can dream up a shape that does cancell these effects! In any case the earth's magnetic field has an angle with respect to the local horizontal ground which varies according to your latitude so we would have to take that into account too I guess. The residual magnetism in my 1 inch solid ball is clearly registered by a compass, however the the magnetic field set up when the current is flowing is hardly registered at all. So I re-aligned the ball's residual magnetic field using a permenent ceramic magnet (contact method) the N pole where the nylon is fixed, the S pole facing the ground. The movements of the ball (by whatever cause) accompanying current switch on and off seem to be reduced. I reduced the lengths of 0.05mm dia copper wire to the ball to arround 100mm each (= 7 ohms) and I dressed them to minimise interference with the ball's natural swinging spining movement, even though this is more restricted movement than on JLN's rig. At 850ma the wires twitched and smoked but the ball stayed more or less still. So the effect, if it exists, could have been masked by the restricted freedom of movement the pendulum, and/or it may be an artifact ascociated with the long parrallel vertical wires and/or the apparatus is not set up properly yet to detect the effect. Also most of the power will be dissipated in the thin lead wires. They are circa 100 times longer than the dia. of the ball so would have that much more magnetic field associated with them. > Dave's results are strange, if I read them right. The ball comes *towards* > you, no matter what the orientation is? I've not noticed this. In fact I've only seen spin. > * How close are you standing? Does it 'follow' you if you move around on a > single run? Staring for ages at a nearly stationary ball can cause eye fatigue. I've noticed odd wobbly shiftings of the steelball, probably caused by odd wobbly shiftings of my eyeball! Shame Fred has quit, I just thought, this rig reminds me of that silk thread and mirror gadget. I'd like to try a non ferrous ball or whatever shape is needed and a suspension thread I can rely on not to be de-stressing or unwinding itself......... -- --------- Rob Dowse From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Nov 23 20:59:25 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA18709; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 20:59:07 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 20:59:07 -0800 Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 20:59:00 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711240459.UAA08298@norway.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, fepps@halcyon.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: I'm going off the lists Resent-Message-ID: <"cYCVp2.0.Da4.QcGUq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2353 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Fred, I will too miss your comments! At 01:48 PM 11/23/97 -0800, you wrote: >Hi Folks! > >I have decided to unsubscribe from free energy and vortex lists. I find >that I don't really believe in the structure of science as it has been put >forward, because it is still essentially based on the idea that there is an >objective reality "out there" which can be taken apart as if it were a >machine. Instead I "believe" (and this is the proper word) that our >beliefs are patterns that organize reality. I will look foward to your return from your belief-pattern reality search. I don't think you believe this completely (vs an objective reality), or you would turn your heat off, etc. Even the act of reading assumes there is a common meaning for words, so that we can communicate. This meaning comes from our minds, but I think it can be considered as part of reality as the "hard" physical laws or logic. -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Nov 23 21:00:05 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA10957; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 20:59:43 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 20:59:43 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 20:58:57 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711240458.UAA08274@norway.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: Awesome PPM Resent-Message-ID: <"aoYAY.0.1h2.zcGUq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2352 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 06:17 PM 11/23/97 -0600, Jack DeMule wrote: >I used 120,000uF charged, with a voltage tripler, and >controlled with a variac. The switch is low tech too...a huge >three phase contactor, with the contacts wired in parallel. >The coil is three turns of 3/8 copper, wound on a hollow plastic >form that is machined with external "threads" to hold the coil >in place. The mechanical force when the switch is closed is >considerable. There is a cover that prevents the past from >being imbedded in the ceiling. :) > Is that 120,000uF charged from a tripler from the AC line?? Thats about 500 volts, and quite a large capacitor! - quite a lot of Joules, too. The coil itself must make quite a bang when the current is sent through it. I made a smaller version with 2 5400uF, 200 Volt electrolytic capacitors charged from the 120 volt AC line. This is about 170 volts DC. The coil is wound from #8 wire (3.3mm diam). I discharge the caps through the coil with a large SCR mounted right at the coil. -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Nov 23 21:31:57 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA24861; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 21:31:41 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 21:31:41 -0800 X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3478C2AE.F9B0F5E0@pavilion.co.uk> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 19:11:51 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: Re : Re: Electrogravitics : The Rambaut's spinning ball experiment Resent-Message-ID: <"Czk2Z.0.F46.y4HUq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2354 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Rob - Thanks for updating us on your work. Glad to know you're attempting to isolate any anomaly out from noise and error. Jean-Louis hasn't responded to calls for information on this in his experiments. I was told to simply try them for myself. Nice if I had the time. I would still like to know if he has done anything to try to eliminate the earth's magnetic field as a source of the ball's movement. It's a tradition in reporting experiments to explain what sort of controls you used and how you've come to your conclusions with regard to the distinction between your effect and error. I'm happy to see Jean-Louis trying out all these different things, and that he as the time and money to do them, and the inclination to post his results here. It's not to say I don't appreciate that, but what good is a report that could well be ambiguous without such details? There would not be a single believable cold fusion experiment unless proper measurements, calibration, and controls are used. Just plug some electrodes in some conductive fluid and say "look, excess heat - cold fusion!" and see how far that would get you. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Nov 23 22:22:28 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA00135; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 22:22:13 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 22:22:13 -0800 Message-ID: <347939A4.1366@keelynet.com> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 00:24:04 -0800 From: Jerry Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Invention Shareware References: <199711231933.LAA07744@mailtod-122.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"-V0g23.0.-1.KqHUq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2355 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Lee! Regarding the aero files....they are all listed in the gravity section at; http://www.keelynet.com/gravity.htm Something intriguing is Dellschaus claim of a mystery gas that was extracted from coal....it had a couple of names, but generally was called 'float'. As I understand it, when this stuff was heated, it had extraordinary lifting ability, even greater than hydrogen and was also extremely explosive. The late Jimmy Ward and the still living Pete Navarro, both from Houston, were the ones who found the priceless manuscripts where Dellschau recorded his information about the Aero Club and shared them with me after I managed to locate Jimmy from a very old magazine article. I miss Jimmy, he was such a good guy, with LOTS of interesting stories and information. He told me of an Aurora like crash up near Amarillo, TX back around 1860...I have it on paper somewhere with the name of the town that is no longer there....supposedly something exploded in the air and a man in a silver suit fell from the sky, he had a kind of belt with devices on it....this happened over an isolated farm and the widow woman and her children tried to care for him but he died....it made a big impression in the local papers and people came for miles to see the mystery man, trashing the womans crops and depleting her well, so they snuck the body out in the middle of the night and buried it along with all the metal devices that were with him, then moved away...the man spoke what she believed to be German...Jimmy says a guy from San Antonio actually found the old townsite where pieces of the ship metal were embedded in the side of one wall....he got samples and while driving home, had a fatal wreck, his wife threw them out as junk... To have flying ships in the 1850s, with very small gas bags because of the unusual properties of the gas....I have spoken to three chemists who all believe there are thousands of elements, not just the 112 or so that are currently known....this includes elements BELOW hydrogen....look up Walter Russells Octave Periodic table for some idea of how much lower he thought the elemental table went below hydrogen....so much to (re)discover. They also used this mystery gas as a motive power for propulsion and to generate electricity...some of the sightings report tremendously bright lights, probably using a rare element called Osmium which is supposed to draw a lot of current but puts out a near xenon bright light...check out those aero and airship files...seeya! -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://www.keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / KeelyNet BBS (214) 324-3501 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite, Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Nov 23 22:33:43 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA01686; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 22:33:18 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 22:33:18 -0800 Message-ID: <34793C3D.75DB@keelynet.com> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 00:35:09 -0800 From: Jerry Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Invention Shareware References: <199711232258.OAA05482@sweden.it.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"xMKqR.0.FQ.j-HUq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2356 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Dave! About the model T magnet configuration....a couple of guys wrote in who had a lot of experience with these engines and said no such animal existed....I looked up Model A and some of the others but could find no details about this mystery block....what led to this, Tim called up from I think it was Anchorage...we talked quite awhile and he asked if I knew that Keely had worked with Ford...I never heard that, so he told me the story which I wrote up and posted. He swears the three guys demonstrated a working model of it and of course, one was sick for one demo so the other two drove some 50 or 100 miles with a small trailer carrying the engine...he said the demo went fine and people were astounded and wanting to invest in it....driving back home, they never made it, the truck and trailer were found on the side of the road, the Model T engine was missing and the two guys were dead with their throats cut....sound familiar?? But it intrigued me enough to write it up... If Edison did in fact know Keely, it was only in his later years (Keely died in 1898)....Keely claimed to have motors of his own design that used sound as a driving force....once you understand the geometry of the engine design, I think magnetism could also be used....if that is so, then Edison saw some of Keely's lab demonstrations and could well have consulted Keely on what the correct geometry must be, which he later used in his Model ?(T) engine.... There is a group of Model T devotees who meet in Richardson..I've been meaning to go to one of their meetings and see what they have to say...no sense in letting a knowledge base like theirs go to waste....one guy I talked to got a good laugh out of the story, yet a lady on the InterNet who runs a Model T and other antique car club said there could well be something to the story....all that I have is posted in the article on the model T....guess I should include the comments from the guys saying the Model T block does not have slots as described....another mystery to solve or just a story?? -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://www.keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / KeelyNet BBS (214) 324-3501 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite, Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Nov 23 22:33:47 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA01733; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 22:33:32 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 22:33:32 -0800 From: dansway@pacbell.net Message-ID: <3478B091.5BC9@pacbell.net> Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 22:39:13 +0000 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-PBME (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: John Bedini experiment References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"FDDqk3.0.-Q.x-HUq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2357 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: John Bedini's web address has change to: http://www.nidlink.com/~john1/index.html Dan From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Nov 23 22:35:10 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA02168; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 22:34:54 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 22:34:54 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971124003308.0073e9d8@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 00:33:08 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: Re: Awesome PPM In-Reply-To: <199711240458.UAA08274@norway.it.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"GPk5U1.0.fX.B0IUq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2358 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 20:58 11/23/97 -0800, Dave wrote: >Is that 120,000uF charged from a tripler from the AC line?? Thats about 500 >volts, and quite a large capacitor! - quite a lot of Joules, too. The coil >itself must make quite a bang when the current is sent through it. I used (25) 4,800 uF 400V screw terminal capacitors, connected in parallel. I used the variac to adjust the voltage. The tripler was part of a cannibalized project. It already had inrush limiting, overload and bleeder relays...it was handy, not necessary. A doubler would have been adequate. Although I did run the beast up to 425V a few times. The capacitors didn't seem to mind. The cap bank leads jumped when the switch was closed. Cool...uh-uh, uh-uh! >I made a smaller version with 2 5400uF, 200 Volt electrolytic capacitors >charged from the 120 volt AC line. This is about 170 volts DC. The coil is >wound from #8 wire (3.3mm diam). I discharge the caps through the coil with >a large SCR mounted right at the coil. >-Dave If I build another charger, I'll use less capacitance and higher voltages. Maybe 800V, and several 400V capacitors in a series/ parallel connection. Best Regards, JD ---------------------------------------------------------- The land was free, and the price was right. mules@palacenet.net ---------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Nov 23 22:42:03 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA03538; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 22:41:37 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 22:41:37 -0800 Message-ID: <34793E31.76DD@keelynet.com> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 00:43:29 -0800 From: Jerry Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Awesome PPM References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"EefzV2.0.Bt.V6IUq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2359 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Folks! With regard to the comment that Howard Johnsons magnets were crescent shaped...I understood that he said they 'focussed' the magnetic field lines at the tips for a stronger flow... -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://www.keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / KeelyNet BBS (214) 324-3501 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite, Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Nov 23 23:16:55 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA27959; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 23:16:36 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 23:16:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3479463D.105D@keelynet.com> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 01:17:49 -0800 From: Jerry Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: John Bedini experiment References: <3478B091.5BC9@pacbell.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"IOFcb.0.mq6.IdIUq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2360 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Dan! Yes, he sent me an email saying someone tried to delete him from the net!! I told him it was probably his server screwing around....they seem to have dropped the rand name.... Got an email from your bud DeVrees, he suggested I not post negative comments like what I just put on the front page...said it hurt the image....I explained it was tongue-in-cheek showing the stupidity of some who babble in the newsgroups...already have a couple of emails from people who thought it was funny also, but another from a guy who was really pissed that 'whoever' (Harry Conover) would write something like that and post it publicly.....there are jerks everywhere, doesn't bother me....as one old metaphysical cliche says...all shall reach the sunlit snow....seeya! -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://www.keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / KeelyNet BBS (214) 324-3501 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite, Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Nov 23 23:31:52 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA28874; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 23:26:34 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 23:26:34 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34794892.5ED1@keelynet.com> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 01:27:46 -0800 From: Jerry Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: John Bedini experiment References: <3478B091.5BC9@pacbell.net> <3479463D.105D@keelynet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"LL1_p3.0.237.dmIUq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2361 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: woops! Sorry, I did not realize this reply to Dan's email went to freenrg-l.....gotta remember to check where it goes before hitting send.....ignore please.... -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://www.keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / KeelyNet BBS (214) 324-3501 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite, Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Nov 24 06:09:00 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA31247; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 06:08:29 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 06:08:29 -0800 From: dansway@pacbell.net Message-ID: <34791B31.6CE4@pacbell.net> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 06:14:09 +0000 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-PBME (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: BUD experiment References: <3478B091.5BC9@pacbell.net> <3479463D.105D@keelynet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"X6FbE2.0.0e7.QfOUq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2362 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Jerry, Mr. DeVrees is not my "bud"! We have talked - that is all we have done. Dan From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Nov 24 06:45:10 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA08608; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 06:44:52 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 06:44:52 -0800 X-Sender: rmuha@mail Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 09:44:29 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: ralph muha Subject: charles cagle on art bell show Resent-Message-ID: <"sf3LL3.0.J62.YBPUq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2363 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: so, I finally got around to listening to Charles Cagle (http://www.teleport.com/~singtech) on the Art Bell show (11-18-97). I was expecting to hear about the SCYBOLT portable fusion reactor. instead, it was all about ball lightning, coronal mass ejection (CME), magnetic field reversal and the 'expanding earth' theory. according to Cagle, neutrons, ball lightning and the earth's magnetic field all have a toroidal structure. large CME's can overload the magnetic field, causing the equitorial current loop to shift 90 degrees, triggering a pole reversal. he predicts disaster of biblical proportions, mile-high tsunamis, magnitude 10 earthquakes, etc... Bell has a page on his web site that illustrates Cagle's theories. (see http://www.artbell.com/cagle.html) oddly enough, there was never any mention of SCYBOLT. Bell ended the conversation after three hours, promising to have him back in a week, after the audience had absorbed his doom-and-gloom predictions. r From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Nov 24 09:03:40 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA31462; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 09:03:10 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 09:03:10 -0800 Message-ID: <3479EBC2.1548@dove.net.au> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 13:04:02 -0800 From: "Glenville T. Sawyer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: froarty@motown.lmco.com Subject: Re: What happened THEORY ONLY. References: <199710240048.UAA09045@mail.wincom.net> <34501D8B.32F2@motown.lmco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"36NCT1.0.qg7.8DRUq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2364 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: THEORY ONLY. If one of the lines that you were working on had been nicked by a staple or clip ( whatever ), and this was in contact with the cold water pipe ( even via an odd path )- then the possibility exists that you may have an appliance that shows degree of "Earth Leakage" - this for those that may not be aware is a ( hopefully ) low current flow - that may originate in situations where poor insulation or other factors are involved ( happens a lot more frequently with older refrig' units ) This Earth current ( in a 3 wire installation ) can appear on the earth circuit for your wiring. In Australia we Link the Earth and Neutral ( "Cold" ) wiring together at the consumers switchboard, the commonly available "Earth Leakage Circuit Breakers { ELCB's}" ( or as they should correctly be called - "Residual Current Devices {RCD}" measure any imbalance in current flowing between Neutral ( Cold) and Earth, if a current flow is sensed, then the breaker trips and opens the "Active" or "Hot" / "Line" supply, very useful if you are one that uses a knife to retrieve your toast when it sticks in the Toaster ! The fact that you experienced hum on the system - (was it 60 Hertz) ?? would tend to verify that the A.C supply was to blame somewhere along the line ( no pun ). Regards, Glenville - Another Aussie Electrician ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Nov 24 11:57:16 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA25249; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 11:56:44 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 11:56:44 -0800 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 19:18:31 +0000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Chris Morriss Subject: Re: Beauty and the Machine In-Reply-To: <199711201908.OAA21569@csrlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.03a Resent-Message-ID: <"0tSum1.0.QA6.xlTUq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2365 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: In message <199711201908.OAA21569@csrlink.net>, "Jim Shaffer, Jr." writes >> Early on, I discovered that the flash tube was emitting >> something. The radiation pattern appeared to be two lobes, >> coming from the sides of the strobe. When I mentioned this >> to Bob Shannon, he informed me that (according to Bearden) >> certain gas plasmas (such as xenon) were scalar translators. > >OK folks, could someone on either the normal OR the alternative side of >the discussion explain an experience I had about ten years ago? At the >time I was using an Atari computer with a run-of-the-mill cheap >composite video monitor. Every time I would turn this monitor on, I >would feel a WAVE OF HEAT wash over me. I only felt it at that moment, >not when it was operating. I thought about the possibility it was >static electricity, because the monitor generated an inordinately high >amount of that also, but it didn't feel quite the same. (At the time, >I had no means of testing it.) I've never felt this with any other >monitor, either composite or RGB, from the same size (probably about >13"), up to 17", up to 27" TV sets. Was it just static, or had some >long-forgotten monitor manufacturer accidentally created an orgone >generator? (At the time, I considered my psychic sensitivity to be >exactly zero, and I still consider it about as low as a person can >possibly be while still having any at all.) > >"There are four kinds of people in this world: > cretins, fools, morons, and lunatics." > >--Umberto Eco > Colour monitors usually have a big coil wound around the face of the tube in series with a PTC thermistor. This gives a large but decaying magnetic field at switch-on that de-gausses the tube. Perhaps you are sensitive to magnetic fields? -- Chris Morriss From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Nov 24 13:25:40 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA15917; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 13:24:19 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 13:24:19 -0800 Message-ID: <347A0D0C.60E3@keelynet.com> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 15:26:04 -0800 From: Jerry Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: BUD experiment References: <3478B091.5BC9@pacbell.net> <3479463D.105D@keelynet.com> <34791B31.6CE4@pacbell.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"v7XDH3.0.cu3.12VUq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2366 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Dan! Sorry, didn't mean anything by it, just a Texas term.....we use it a lot and I forget that others don't recognize the term....can't believe I didn't check the landing spot as being freenrg-l instead of direct to you...though I know this one is directed to free....good luck with your meeting...seeya! -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://www.keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / KeelyNet BBS (214) 324-3501 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite, Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Nov 24 13:42:31 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA01799; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 13:40:34 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 13:40:34 -0800 From: rvanspaa@eisa.net.au (Robin van Spaandonk) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: The simple working hypothesis Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 21:33:04 GMT Organization: Improving Message-ID: <3478f435.23716701@mail.eisa.net.au> References: <199711170800.AAA13623@mail1.halcyon.com> In-Reply-To: <199711170800.AAA13623@mail1.halcyon.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"AhBzh3.0.yR.GHVUq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2367 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 17 Nov 1997 11:58:56 -0800, Fred Epps wrote: [snip] >5) The units fill all space time and matter-- but packing structure >determines concentration. For instance a pyramid/tetrahedron represents a >close-packed unit structure, so the units are more concentrated within >pyramids. [snip] Been to the PROTEUS site recently Fred? :) Regards, Robin van Spaandonk -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Check out: http://www.eisa.net.au/~rvanspaa for how CF depends on temperature. "....,then he should stop, and he will catch up..." PS - no SPAM thanks! -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Nov 24 14:21:01 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA09474; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:18:23 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:18:23 -0800 Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 15:18:18 -0700 (MST) From: Steve Ekwall X-Sender: ekwall2@november To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Awesome PPM In-Reply-To: <34793E31.76DD@keelynet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"EtsAU2.0.rJ2.jqVUq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2368 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 24 Nov 1997, Jerry wrote: >> >>With regard to the comment that Howard Johnsons magnets were crescent >>shaped...I understood that he said they 'focussed' the magnetic field >>lines at the tips for a stronger flow... >>-- DeMules coil charger? ----- Could a metal shape like a Satellite Dish be charged face side NORTH?? Jack, how would the "3-coil" wrappings look for this type charging. -=se=- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Nov 24 14:43:07 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA13563; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:42:14 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:42:14 -0800 X-Sender: rmuha@mail Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <19971123.151757.6374.0.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 17:41:46 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: ralph muha Subject: Re: Awesome PPM Resent-Message-ID: <"NXOoK.0.oJ3.5BWUq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2369 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 6:49 PM -0500 11/23/97, Steve Ekwall wrote: >Speaking of weird shaped magnets.. does anyone know of a good way to MAKE >some, that the metal would hold flux after a DC charging? (any shape) OR >is our best technology always being a poured alloy in charged form? why not mix magnetic powder with epoxy? then you could mold any shape you like. there was a patent (discussed on this list) where the inventor was potting coils in such a mixture. (it was notable for the inclusion of a pyramid shaped coil) patent #4429314, "Magnetostatic Electrical Devices" "... formed of an epoxy or thermosetting resin containing a colloidal suspension of magnetically hard materials such as isotropic barium ferrites..." r From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Nov 24 14:51:19 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA20153; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:49:33 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:49:33 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <347A045A.844DF9B8@ctv.es> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 23:48:59 +0100 From: Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga Reply-To: vramos@ctv.es X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fred Epps , freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: PAGE UPDATED - The Orgone Scope. X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"jHxQQ.0.ow4.xHWUq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2370 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi all, Is Orgone another weird energy? There are a easy to build device. You'll be able to see a weird phenomena, attributed from Reich to orgonic energy. Good Luck!. Vicente. -- Vicente Jose Ramos Orenga E-mail: vramos@ctv.es Home Page: http://www.ctv.es/USERS/vramos/home.htm Burriana (Castellon) SPAIN From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Nov 24 15:03:19 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA16161; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:57:12 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:57:12 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971124165811.006d2b14@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 16:58:11 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: Re: Awesome PPM In-Reply-To: References: <34793E31.76DD@keelynet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"mFrb51.0.Qy3.7PWUq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2371 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 15:18 11/24/97 -0700, Steve Ekwall wrote: > Could a metal shape like a Satellite Dish be charged face side NORTH?? >Jack, how would the "3-coil" wrappings look for this type charging. Well...yes, it could. If you could find one made of steel. The satellite dishes that I've seen are made of aluminum. Geez...did I write three coil? Sorry about that! The charging coil is a simple three turn solenoid. The charging coil would be a few turns, slightly larger in diameter than the dish. Best Regards, JD -------------------------------------------------------- The land was free, and the price was right. mules@palacenet.net --------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Nov 24 15:05:00 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA21586; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 15:00:39 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 15:00:39 -0800 (PST) From: ppm@getnet.com Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 15:59:52 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199711242259.PAA09698@getnet.com> X-Sender: ppm@getnet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Gamma Watch Resent-Message-ID: <"rDgzd2.0.6H5.KSWUq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2372 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: An awesome Christmas gift: YPERWATCH, the only wristwatch in the world that detects, measures and counts radioactive- and X-RAY Radiation. See for details: http://www.ppm.net/y perwatch/ YPERWATCH A PPM Company http://www.ppm.net/yperwatch/ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Nov 24 15:05:06 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA22008; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 15:04:32 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 15:04:32 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711242303.SAA02810@csrlink.net> From: "Jim Shaffer, Jr." To: Subject: Re: Beauty and the Machine Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 18:02:44 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"O3gEa1.0.mN5.zVWUq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2373 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > From: Chris Morriss > Colour monitors usually have a big coil wound around the face of the > tube in series with a PTC thermistor. This gives a large but decaying > magnetic field at switch-on that de-gausses the tube. Perhaps you are > sensitive to magnetic fields? Not that I know of. I don't feel anything when I hit the degauss button on my 17" monitor, or when I degauss magnetic tape. "There are four kinds of people in this world: cretins, fools, morons, and lunatics." --Umberto Eco From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Nov 24 15:19:36 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA25151; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 15:18:54 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 15:18:54 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 10:17:43 +1100 Message-Id: <199711242317.KAA06392@nornet.nor.com.au> X-Sender: openway@pophost.nor.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Peter Nielsen Subject: Re: Awesome PPM Resent-Message-ID: <"x7Fby.0.o86.OjWUq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2375 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >Some magnet alloys are difficult to machine, they are hard, >and brittle. But not all... If you bought uncharged slugs >you could machine them with a mill, and then charge them. >I guess it depends on how strong a magnet you need. Soft Iron >is easy to machine. It's easy to charge, and easy to obtain too. > >JD > We once used the thin soft wires used by florists. Bunch them together and bend to any shape. Peter Nieslen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Nov 24 15:19:41 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA25200; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 15:19:06 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 15:19:06 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 10:17:57 +1100 Message-Id: <199711242317.KAA06404@nornet.nor.com.au> X-Sender: openway@pophost.nor.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Peter Nielsen Subject: Re: the stick Resent-Message-ID: <"jxKd2.0.q86.OjWUq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2374 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >>If you think it's unproven, you are not aware of the relevant literature. >>Try reading about Berry's Phase and Hannay's Angle for a start. Real >>experiments. > >Been there, done that.... Seriously flawed, and in any case >the results are open to other interpretations. People will >believe what they want, or need, to believe. > > >Best Regards, >JD > With all due respect, this sounds a bit like bureaucratic double-speak. Are you saying you performed these experiments? On what basis are you drawing your conclusions. This work has been extensively replicated, and endorsed by peer review. I am not aware of any controversy surrounding it. Please enlighten us with some specifics. Peter Nielsen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Nov 24 15:58:20 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA15917; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 13:24:19 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 13:24:19 -0800 Message-ID: <347A0D0C.60E3@keelynet.com> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 15:26:04 -0800 From: Jerry Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: BUD experiment References: <3478B091.5BC9@pacbell.net> <3479463D.105D@keelynet.com> <34791B31.6CE4@pacbell.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"v7XDH3.0.cu3.12VUq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2366 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Dan! Sorry, didn't mean anything by it, just a Texas term.....we use it a lot and I forget that others don't recognize the term....can't believe I didn't check the landing spot as being freenrg-l instead of direct to you...though I know this one is directed to free....good luck with your meeting...seeya! -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://www.keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / KeelyNet BBS (214) 324-3501 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite, Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Nov 24 16:17:22 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA04171; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 16:16:09 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 16:16:09 -0800 X-Sender: rmuha@mail Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199711242303.SAA02810@csrlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 19:15:48 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: ralph muha Subject: Re: Beauty and the Machine Resent-Message-ID: <"ci5hZ.0.-01.6ZXUq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2376 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 6:02 PM -0500 11/24/97, Jim Shaffer, Jr. wrote: >Not that I know of. I don't feel anything when I hit the degauss >button on my 17" monitor, or when I degauss magnetic tape. quite a few years ago, I used to work on Tektronix 4014's (storage scopes masquerading as computer terminals). Every time I hit the 'clear screen' button, my facial hairs would stand up in reaction to the big burst of energy that blanked the phosphor... r From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Nov 24 19:39:27 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA11053; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 19:38:59 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 19:38:59 -0800 From: "Richard Weaver" To: Subject: REMOVE Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 21:36:47 -0600 Message-ID: <01bcf953$5bdc5760$73045ad1@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"LyS_V2.0.ai2.HXaUq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2377 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: REMOVE From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Nov 24 19:43:01 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA12086; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 19:42:44 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 19:42:44 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <347A4A6F.208A@LCIA.COM> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 22:47:59 -0500 From: B25B@LCIA.COM (RON BRENNEN) Reply-To: B25B@LCIA.COM X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Awsome PPM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"woWyn1.0.iy2.maaUq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2378 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: J.DeMule has given some very good info on charging a magnet with caps. It should be noted however that caps give an oscillating discharge and when magnetizing a magnet they should be discharged thru a suitable diode to prevent partialy demagnetisig on the reverse flow. Ron B. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Nov 24 21:03:21 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA22395; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 21:01:22 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 21:01:22 -0800 From: rvanspaa@eisa.net.au (Robin van Spaandonk) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Solar Harness Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 05:00:37 GMT Organization: Improving Message-ID: <347a5322.771013@mail.eisa.net.au> References: <199711192338.PAA18955@mail1.halcyon.com> In-Reply-To: <199711192338.PAA18955@mail1.halcyon.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"lGjlC1.0.pT5.WkbUq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2379 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Thu, 20 Nov 1997 03:38:24 -0800, Fred Epps wrote: [snip] >If Barker's results are correct, and there is even the SLIGHTEST increase >in solar efficiency with a magnet nearby, I can only conclude that a >different energy is involved. It cannot be electrons, because AFAIK they >are not absorbed by solar cells, at least not low energy ones. It cannot >be photons because they are not affected by magnets, at least not the way >they would need to be. [snip] 1) A magnetic field will cause charged particles to go around in a circle. If a charged particle has sufficient energy, then it can ionise atoms that it comes across during its journey. A circular journey can be much longer than a straight line in a thin solar cell. So an energetic particle could, in a magnetic field, ionise lots of atoms. When you ionise atoms in a semiconductor, you lower the internal resistance, so that the voltage drop across the load increases. I.e. the device efficiency can improve. 2) Two possible sources of energetic particles, are cosmic rays, and free electrons produced by absorption of UV and x-rays from the Sun. Note that the actual wavelengths that provide energy in a solar cell are mostly in the infra-red, so the UV component of sun-light is not usually used (it's part of the ~80% that's left over from the 20% efficiency). Regards, Robin van Spaandonk -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Check out: http://www.eisa.net.au/~rvanspaa for how CF depends on temperature. "....,then he should stop, and he will catch up..." PS - no SPAM thanks! -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Nov 24 23:25:32 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA20389; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 23:24:51 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 23:24:51 -0800 From: JNaudin509@aol.com Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 02:24:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971125022411_-87376137@mrin58.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com cc: monteverde@worldnet.att.net Subject: About Electrogravitics project Resent-Message-ID: <"7GMTm3.0.U-4.2rdUq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2380 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi All, I have created now a small teamwork about the Electrogravitic (Elpex) project, this will avoid reducing of bandwith of this freeNRGlist, and avoid some unproductive comments, thus this will increase our efficiency and our synergy about this project. For whose are interested, they are welcome, simply let me know.... I shall inform you about our results about this project through my web site as soon as we have some validated results. Sincerely, Jean-Louis Naudin 11/25/97 - 07:15GMT From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Nov 24 23:47:06 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA23942; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 23:46:12 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 23:46:12 -0800 Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 23:46:02 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711250746.XAA23175@sweden.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: B25B@LCIA.COM, freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: Awsome PPM Resent-Message-ID: <"Nge1U3.0.yr5.39eUq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2381 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 10:47 PM 11/24/97 -0500, Ron wrote: >J.DeMule has given some very good info on charging a magnet >with caps. It should be noted however that caps give an >oscillating discharge and when magnetizing a magnet they >should be discharged thru a suitable diode to prevent partialy >demagnetisig on the reverse flow. >Ron B. Or even before. With a SCR switch, it turns off when the current drops below it's holding value, so little reverse current flows. But depending on the coil energy storage, this will happen when the caps are charged to some reverse voltage, which isn't good for electrolytic types. So I use an additional "snubber" diode in addition to the SCR. -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Nov 25 00:46:57 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA19797; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 00:41:27 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 00:41:27 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711250840.AAA02009@claim.goldrush.com> From: "Wes Crosiar" To: Subject: Re: About Electrogravitics project Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 18:38:07 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"kDKUd1.0.Ar4.ryeUq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2382 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: ---------- > From: JNaudin509@aol.com > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Cc: monteverde@worldnet.att.net > Subject: About Electrogravitics project > Date: Monday, November 24, 1997 11:24 PM > > Hi All, > > I have created now a small teamwork about the Electrogravitic (Elpex) > project, this will avoid reducing of bandwith of this freeNRGlist, and avoid > some unproductive comments, thus this will increase our efficiency and our > synergy about this project. > > For whose are interested, they are welcome, simply let me know.... > I shall inform you about our results about this project through my web site > as soon as we have some validated results. > > Sincerely, > > Jean: WHAT IS IT? THANKS WES From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Nov 25 07:15:25 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA23998; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 07:14:46 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 07:14:46 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971125091319.00d16ca0@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 09:13:19 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: Re: Awsome PPM In-Reply-To: <199711250746.XAA23175@sweden.it.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"m6nAc2.0.rs5.YjkUq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2383 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 23:46 11/24/97 -0800, you wrote: >At 10:47 PM 11/24/97 -0500, Ron wrote: >>J.DeMule has given some very good info on charging a magnet >>with caps. It should be noted however that caps give an >>oscillating discharge and when magnetizing a magnet they >>should be discharged thru a suitable diode to prevent partialy >>demagnetisig on the reverse flow. >>Ron B. > >Or even before. With a SCR switch, it turns off when the current drops below >it's holding value, so little reverse current flows. But depending on the >coil energy storage, this will happen when the caps are charged to some >reverse voltage, >which isn't good for electrolytic types. So I use an additional "snubber" >diode in addition to the SCR. >-Dave Hmm...good points. I'll have to look at this if I build another charger. The commercial charger that I looked at didn't have any provision to prevent ringing. My suspicion is that the Q of the loaded coil is very low, and when coupled with the other losses, there is only a trivial, well damped, oscillation. It may improve the charger's performance, but it is certainly not necessary. Best Regards, JD ---------------------------------------------------------- The land was free, and the price was right. mules@palacenet.net ---------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Nov 25 08:42:51 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA29010; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 08:41:49 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 08:41:49 -0800 Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 08:41:34 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711251641.IAA00811@italy.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: mrandall@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Michael Randall Subject: Minato's PPM Cc: vortex-l@eskimo.com, hcurtis1@ix.netcom.com Resent-Message-ID: <"hmLXQ.0.y47.9_lUq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2384 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi All, My preliminary tests indicate some positive results if the permanent magnet poles on the wheel are magnetized through the thickness and not in the length direction. Minato's EM/PM patent 5,594,289 shows the poles in the length direction for the straight rotor magnets and Curtis also said this occurred in the crescent PM wheel design. Trying this out didn't work. The crescent shaped magnets are easily built by adding smaller magnets together with a spacer in one side, for the desired curvature, then taping the assembly together. Then reading Henry Curtis' 11/19 post, he mentions that by bringing a large permanent magnet (drive magnet) several inches to the wheel it starts to spin. "Irrespective of how the wheel and the magnets on it are sitting; move the drive magnet near, it starts to spin." This effect occurs if the magnet poles are through the thickness with the N poles all facing out. Testing for Minato's other effects with this design. Regards, Michael Randall From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Nov 25 09:58:14 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA15820; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 09:57:57 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 09:57:57 -0800 Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 12:54:24 -0800 From: francis x roarty Subject: Re: Minato's PPM To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Cc: vortex-l@eskimo.com, hcurtis1@ix.netcom.com Reply-to: froarty@motown.lmco.com Message-id: <347B3B00.3581@motown.lmco.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <199711251641.IAA00811@italy.it.earthlink.net> Resent-Message-ID: <"eAZFj2.0.1t3.a6nUq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2385 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Michael Randall wrote: > > Hi All, > > My preliminary tests indicate some positive results if the permanent magnet > poles on the wheel are magnetized through the thickness and not in the > length direction. > > Minato's EM/PM patent 5,594,289 shows the poles in the length direction for > the straight rotor magnets and Curtis also said this occurred in the > crescent PM wheel design. Trying this out didn't work. > > The crescent shaped magnets are easily built by adding smaller magnets > together with a spacer in one side, for the desired curvature, then taping > the assembly together. > > Then reading Henry Curtis' 11/19 post, he mentions that by bringing a large > permanent magnet (drive magnet) several inches to the wheel it starts to > spin. "Irrespective of how the wheel and the magnets on it are sitting; move > the drive magnet near, it starts to spin." > > This effect occurs if the magnet poles are through the thickness with the N > poles all facing out. Testing for Minato's other effects with this design. > > Regards, Michael Randall Michael, Please keep us appraised of your progress. Can you reproduce the perpetual motion claimed by Minato's device? Frank From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Nov 25 10:30:00 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA22375; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 10:29:26 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 10:29:26 -0800 Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 10:29:14 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711251829.KAA20903@sweden.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Magnetizer design (was Awsome PPM) Resent-Message-ID: <"uj2w71.0.NT5.2anUq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2386 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 09:13 AM 11/25/97 -0600, Jack DeMule wrote: >Hmm...good points. I'll have to look at this if I build >another charger. The commercial charger that I looked at >didn't have any provision to prevent ringing. My suspicion >is that the Q of the loaded coil is very low, and when coupled >with the other losses, there is only a trivial, well damped, >oscillation. It may improve the charger's performance, but it >is certainly not necessary. > Hello Jack and all, Have you seen any articles on magnetizer design- optimizing the number of coil turns for Maximum B field ~NI? N=number of turns, I=peak current. If there is little ringing, low Q, the peak current is limited by some effective R? If the coil has most of the R, then increasing the number of turns increases the resistance proportional to the number of turns. So the current is proportional to 1/R and NI changes little. If some other resistance limits the current, then more turns won't proportionally decrease the current, so more turns are better, higher NI. If the current is "resonant", i.e. the starting energy =0.5CV^2 transferred to 0.5LI^2 = constant. If, say, the number of turns is doubled, the inductance is increased 4x, and for constant energy, I->I/2. The resultant NI is unchanged. Thanks, -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Nov 25 10:30:49 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA27995; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 10:30:10 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 10:30:10 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 10:29:18 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711251829.KAA20930@sweden.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: RMOG Mark 3 Resent-Message-ID: <"r-6Ov3.0.9r6.janUq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2387 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Has anyone else built Greg's RMOG version Mk3? This is 12 fluxgates, 2 stators. To test for losses in mine, I ran it as a motor using 2 NiCd batteries (2.4Volts) The RPM was in the range of 250. I then disconnected the battery and measured the time for the RMOG to stop with different coil connections. I found: Coils opened:(no current) 66 sec. Coils shorted: 44 sec. Coils connected to Mosfet with sense coil: 53 sec. Diode across coils: 58 sec. Diode reversed across coils: 54 sec. (braking) The times are averages, I see about a 5% variation. Conclusion: more efficient bearings, etc, will not turn this into OU as long as the Mosfet/sense coil "self powered" has more loss than the open circuit case. I have tried various gaps, stator positions etc to try to optimize the DNMEC effect. -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Nov 25 18:53:35 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA18792; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 18:52:54 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 18:52:54 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 19:52:05 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199711260252.TAA14623@usr01.primenet.com> X-Sender: ajdubla@pop.primenet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: ajdubla@primenet.com (AJ Dubla) Subject: Re: Magetizer design Resent-Message-ID: <"WF7V81.0.Ob4.3yuUq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2388 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hello, In my quest to recreate the VTA, I have build some magnetizers. For those who haven't built something like this, let me give a basic design that gets good results. 5000-10000 uf 480v caps in parallel 600v SCR simple circuit to fire the SCR based on your needs large variable resistor to limit current while charging up variable dc power supply, preferably up to 480v And a coil. I shoot for < 1 ohm, > 100 turns, and very sturdy construction with epoxy after every 2nd or 3rd layer. The construction of the coil is very important. If the coil is not wound tight with a bonding agent, it will loosen and split. This causes problems recreating previous work. The coil must also be attached to something heavy along with the object you want to 'zap'. Safety here is a must. My machine will embed objects into the ceiling, along with producing pretty patterns in magnets. ;) Good Luck, Alan Dubla From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Nov 25 19:25:31 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA05197; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 19:24:56 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 19:24:56 -0800 Message-ID: <347B424B.5270@dove.net.au> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 13:25:31 -0800 From: "Glenville T. Sawyer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: David Hamel References: <199711010452.PAA24166@main.murray.net.au> <345E4504.4EE2@pacbell.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Rhjzd3.0.4H1.6QvUq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2390 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dan / Geoff, Has anything further transpired on the Hamel front ? I am certain that I am not the only one interested in following up on this area of research. Glenville. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Nov 25 19:25:31 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA05174; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 19:24:52 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 19:24:52 -0800 Message-ID: <347B3AE8.7792@dove.net.au> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 12:54:01 -0800 From: "Glenville T. Sawyer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Beauty and the Machine References: <199711242303.SAA02810@csrlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"2xNmZ3.0.eG1.1QvUq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2389 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Aha !!! Is that this "odd" radiation that my ittle detector was picking up a few years ago ? - For those that came in late, I built up a (reasonably) simple circuit using a quad op-amp and a few passives, and used an Amber L.E.D inside a plastic enclosure, this fed a speaker and meter arrangement. Results, I noticed a large increase in detection of "something" when in the range of an operating T.V receiver, I thought it may have been X-Ray, however that was ruled out ( basically ) by using a lower powered unit - that it it was generating |X-ray radiation of that level would not have made it out of the design stages ! I checked if it was the Auto-Degaussing circuit - Nope - Cos' I disconnected it. I wonder if anyone else actually built up that circuit ? it was posted on the net several months ago, and I was under the impression that it had also been put up on another of the lists' subscribers pages ? - who was this ?? O.k well back to thinking of my "Fixed/Rotary" wing Ultralight aircraft idea. Slumps back into seat and continues thinking ! :-) Glenville. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Nov 25 20:01:37 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA11630; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 20:01:24 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 20:01:24 -0800 From: dansway@pacbell.net Message-ID: <347B2FE8.33D0@pacbell.net> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 20:07:04 +0000 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-PBME (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: David Hamel References: <199711010452.PAA24166@main.murray.net.au> <345E4504.4EE2@pacbell.net> <347B424B.5270@dove.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"yKE0s2.0.dr2.GyvUq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2391 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Greetings Glenville and All, RE: David Hamel and his little saucer that got away There will be a release of information very soon for those who want to build a small David Hamel flying saucer. Know this: this is David Hamel's exact design. Nothing missing! The principles are now known! There was a small bit of information missing from what Pierre Sinclair had started with. This little bit of information has finally been relayed by Mr. Hamel. It is interesting that this missing principle is based right off of the "Hamel Spinner" that everyone got sooooo... excited about. The "Hamel Spinner" demonstrates a principle of magnetics only! It was never intended to be "perpetual motion" while held in your hands. Please, please be patient and wait for this release. Pierre Sinclair has worked so very hard and for many years with David Hamel trying to bring not only David Hamel's story to the World, but also this most wonderful and ancient (Egyptian) technology. Any support you can give to Mr. Sinclair would further this much needed technology along. A thought: If only one good working FE device was released, what would all those other inventors and people in the "know" do. What would they do with their toys? :) It only takes on Penguin to jump in to get the rest to do likewise. Dan From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Nov 25 21:48:12 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA13403; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 21:47:44 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 21:47:44 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 17:45:49 +1100 Message-Id: <199711260645.RAA12516@main.murray.net.au> X-Sender: egel@mail.sa.ozland.net.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Geoff Egel Subject: Re: Magetizer design more info needed Resent-Message-ID: <"QpyTN3.0.FH3.yVxUq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2392 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 07:52 PM 11/25/97 -0700, you wrote: >Hello, > >In my quest to recreate the VTA, I have build some magnetizers. For those >who haven't built something like this, let me give a basic design that gets >good results. > >5000-10000 uf 480v caps in parallel >600v SCR >simple circuit to fire the SCR based on your needs >large variable resistor to limit current while charging up >variable dc power supply, preferably up to 480v >And a coil. I shoot for < 1 ohm, > 100 turns, and very sturdy construction >with epoxy after every 2nd or 3rd layer. > >The construction of the coil is very important. If the coil is not wound >tight with a bonding agent, it will loosen and split. This causes problems >recreating previous work. The coil must also be attached to something heavy >along with the object you want to 'zap'. Safety here is a must. My machine >will embed objects into the ceiling, along with producing pretty patterns in >magnets. ;) > >Good Luck, > >Alan Dubla > > >Alan sounds just like what I need. I may be a bit dense but how many capacitors are needed to string this thing together in parallel Geoff From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Nov 25 21:56:08 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA14806; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 21:55:21 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 21:55:21 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 17:53:23 +1100 Message-Id: <199711260653.RAA12576@main.murray.net.au> X-Sender: egel@mail.sa.ozland.net.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Geoff Egel Subject: Re: David Hamel Resent-Message-ID: <"G2qKO2.0.Ed3.6dxUq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2393 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 01:25 PM 11/25/97 -0800, you wrote: >Dan / Geoff, > Has anything further transpired on the Hamel front ? > > I am certain that I am not the only one interested in following up >on this area of research. > > Glenville. > >I not sure as to how they are going but I have twenty five photos of some of his design and explanations I will be putting on Geocities or my new Fortune city site depending on the size of space I need in about a couple weeks. I am getting them converted from slides to photos so that I can scan them in for my web page. I got the photos from Dan at Pacbell you may have seen him the fre energy newsgroup. >He actually visted David Hamel a short time ago and has promised to give me some more info shortly. I have order Piere Sicliar New video which claims to give more info (I hope so) I not sure about the device but he David makes a good case and it does make me wonder time will tell Nice to hear from you and do keep in touch. Geoff From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Nov 25 22:01:03 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA15419; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 21:59:57 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 21:59:57 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 17:56:50 +1100 Message-Id: <199711260656.RAA12594@main.murray.net.au> X-Sender: egel@mail.sa.ozland.net.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Geoff Egel Subject: Re: David Hamel Resent-Message-ID: <"x7Ids2.0.gm3.JhxUq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2394 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 08:07 PM 11/25/97 +0000, you wrote: >Greetings Glenville and All, > > >RE: David Hamel and his little saucer that got away > > >There will be a release of information very soon for those who want to >build a small David Hamel flying saucer. Know this: this is David >Hamel's exact design. Nothing missing! The principles are now known! > >There was a small bit of information missing from what Pierre Sinclair >had started with. This little bit of information has finally been >relayed by Mr. Hamel. It is interesting that this missing principle is >based right off of the "Hamel Spinner" that everyone got sooooo... >excited about. The "Hamel Spinner" demonstrates a principle of >magnetics only! It was never intended to be "perpetual motion" while >held in your hands. > >Please, please be patient and wait for this release. Pierre Sinclair has >worked so very hard and for many years with David Hamel trying to bring >not only David Hamel's story to the World, but also this most wonderful >and ancient (Egyptian) technology. > >Any support you can give to Mr. Sinclair would further this much needed >technology along. I have just order his latest video about a week ago and happy to put any info on my web site that will help David and Pierre > >A thought: If only one good working FE device was released, what would >all those other inventors and people in the "know" do. What would they >do with their toys? :) It only takes on Penguin to jump in to get the >rest to do likewise. > >Dan > > >Keep in touch and let me know as soon as the information is released Things move a bit slow sometimes in Australia as far as new technology is concerned From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Nov 25 22:03:50 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA32638; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 22:01:42 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 22:01:42 -0800 Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 18:00:05 +1100 Message-Id: <199711260700.SAA12637@main.murray.net.au> X-Sender: egel@mail.sa.ozland.net.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Geoff Egel Subject: Re: David Hamel Resent-Message-ID: <"2GpNz3.0.sz7.4jxUq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2395 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 01:25 PM 11/25/97 -0800, you wrote: >Dan / Geoff, > Has anything further transpired on the Hamel front ? > I recieved this after I reply to my Last email hope it is of interest Geoff http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135 > I am certain that I am not the only one interested in following up >on this area of research. > There will be a release of information very soon for those who want to build a small David Hamel flying saucer. Know this: this is David Hamel's exact design. Nothing missing! The principles are now known! There was a small bit of information missing from what Pierre Sinclair had started with. This little bit of information has finally been relayed by Mr. Hamel. It is interesting that this missing principle is based right off of the "Hamel Spinner" that everyone got sooooo... excited about. The "Hamel Spinner" demonstrates a principle of magnetics only! It was never intended to be "perpetual motion" while held in your hands. Please, please be patient and wait for this release. Pierre Sinclair has worked so very hard and for many years with David Hamel trying to bring not only David Hamel's story to the World, but also this most wonderful and ancient (Egyptian) technology. Any support you can give to Mr. Sinclair would further this much needed technology along. A thought: If only one good working FE device was released, what would all those other inventors and people in the "know" do. What would they do with their toys? :) It only takes on Penguin to jump in to get the rest to do likewise. Dan > Glenville. > >I not sure as to how they are going but I have twenty five photos of some of his design and explanations I will be putting on Geocities or my new Fortune city site depending on the size of space I need in about a couple weeks. I am getting them converted from slides to photos so that I can scan them in for my web page. I got the photos from Dan at Pacbell you may have seen him the fre energy newsgroup. >He actually visted David Hamel a short time ago and has promised to give me some more info shortly. I have order Piere Sicliar New video which claims to give more info (I hope so) I not sure about the device but he David makes a good case and it does make me wonder time will tell Nice to hear from you and do keep in touch. Geoff From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Nov 25 23:24:24 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA26650; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 23:22:44 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 23:22:44 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 00:21:59 -0700 (MST) From: Steve Ekwall X-Sender: ekwall2@november cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Znidarsic vers Puthoff * TurkeyTime * FROZEN In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"GfIUZ3.0.JW6.2vyUq"@mx2> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2396 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Tue, 25 Nov 1997, Steve Ekwall wrote: >>Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 23:59:54 -0700 (MST) >>From: Steve Ekwall >>To: "Frederick J. Sparber" >>Cc: vortex-l@eskimo.com, freenrg@eskimo.com, bx196@freenet.uchsc.edu >>Subject: Znidarsic vers Puthoff * TurkeyTime * FROZEN >>Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 23:00:43 -0800 (PST) >>Resent-From: vortex-l@eskimo.com >> >>TIME to start Thawing (if you haven't started yet! :) >> >>On Tue, 25 Nov 1997, Frederick J. Sparber wrote: >> >>From: Francis J. Stenger >> >>>Frederick J. Sparber wrote: >> >>>One day at a time, Frank Stenger >> >> >> >>Sounds like a typical Vortex malady to me,Frank. All you have to do is put >> >>on your 3-D >> >>glasses and you will see that it is a vortex,either that or a Thanksgiving >> >>Cornucopia. >> >>Better bring your turkey indoors where it can thaw out too. Horace put >> >>theirs in the freezer so it could thaw before Thursday. :-) >> >> >> >>Best Regards and happy Thanksgiving. Frederick >> >> >>FS & FS, HAPPY THANKSGIVING too! :) >> >>Deep Fried Turkey :)' yumm >> >> Note: the 'Latest' fad or way to "cook" a Turkey is WHOLE Deep-Fried.. >>note to wifes.. this is DONE in 45 minutes total frying time..clock your >>hubby. :) >>Unit construction (see: whole/head/wings down turkey in pipe with boiling/oil!) >>A cylinder (open end Metal TUBE/canister) about 15" across (enough width >>to >>hold a WHOLE 20#'er) and about 2 & 1/2' long (deep) is filled with oil >>(vegetable type only) and set upon a propane burner like you >>would find on your BB grill contain heat as ok! >> Seasoning is of course a matter of personal choice/taste... >>Bachelors remove GUTS first ;) I'd guess they heat the oil to just about >>smoking or 400-600 degrees F .. water droplets should sizzle on it. >>There is a company that 'sells' the whole set up, but jed would say we >>couldn't do it from scratch, so I'll just supply the above measurements. >>I havn't done this myself, and I hear a few houses have been lost to fire, >>but there are MANY a report about the GREAT CRISPY TASTE (rem:45 min NOT >>4-5 hours) that this procedure emparts. >> Sounds like a big 'Kentucky Fried ****!' If we only knew the Secret 11 >>herbs and spices.. !!! :) umm umm good... >>I think the 'store bought tube-fryer has a lid too, (cover/foil it?) >>------------------------- >> >>For a more traditional OVEN-COOKING of the American GOLDEN Turkey, see my >>WIFES home-page 'turk-turk - cheat sheet' guaranteed to be perfection by >>the pound (seasonings are yours). Her page is at: >> for times to thaw etc if >>frozen etc.. >>I'll try to get her recipe (seasonings) tomorrow, but I have noticed she >>basted it every 30 -45 minutes or so :: mostly butter & white wine >>and other secret stuff.. if any WOMAN needs help in this, call her >>(Laura) tollfree >>at 1-800-698-1100 and leave a message (she'll call you back asap). >> >>The bigger the turkey, the bigger the problem (hummm that rings a bell), >>any way to every-one on the web/net out there... >> >>HaPpY ThAnKsGiViNg to all and to all a good night! >> >>-=se=- >> >>Rem: Thanks to Ben Franklin The Turkey *IS* our American Bird. >> >> From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Nov 25 23:29:17 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA27727; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 23:29:03 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 23:29:03 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971126012700.00c18e58@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 01:27:00 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: Re: Magnetizer design (was Awsome PPM) In-Reply-To: <199711251829.KAA20903@sweden.it.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"vTXUc.0.2n6.y-yUq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2397 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Dave, All... At 10:29 11/25/97 -0800, Dave Dameron wrote: >Hello Jack and all, >Have you seen any articles on magnetizer design- optimizing the number of >coil turns for Maximum B field ~NI? N=number of turns, I=peak current. I'm sure I have...I may still have them stashed somewhere. I'll keep an eye open for them. I examined several commercial units...the fixtures were always heavy gauge conductors, not many turns. One that I can recall clearly had about twenty turns, and another had six. The voltages used were high...a couple of KV for one model. The sales literature rated the various models in Joules, I recall that some were in the mid teens to low twenties. There were smaller machines...but I didn't spend much time looking at those. :) >If there is little ringing, low Q, the peak current is limited by some >effective R? If the coil has most of the R, then increasing the number of >turns increases the resistance proportional to the number of turns. So the >current is proportional to 1/R and NI changes little. If some other >resistance limits the current, then more turns won't proportionally decrease >the current, so more turns are better, higher NI. The resistance of the coil was the limiting factor. That is why I used a few turns of very heavy conductor. If the rest of the circuit is built right, you will quickly reach a point where increasing the number of turns reduces the field strength. >If the current is "resonant", i.e. the starting energy =0.5CV^2 transferred >to 0.5LI^2 = constant. If, say, the number of turns is doubled, the >inductance is increased 4x, and for constant energy, I->I/2. The resultant >NI is unchanged. The resistance varies with the mean length of the turn. Doubling the number of turns more than doubles the resistance...how much depends on the aspect ratio. Best Regards, JD ---------------------------------------------------------- The land was free, and the price was right. mules@palacenet.net ---------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Nov 25 23:41:09 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA28849; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 23:40:53 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 23:40:53 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971126013903.00b960cc@palacenet.net> X-Sender: mules@palacenet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 01:39:03 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Jack DeMule Subject: Re: Magnetizer design more info needed In-Reply-To: <199711260645.RAA12516@main.murray.net.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"vt-gG2.0.c27.3AzUq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2398 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi all... I remembered that when I was about eight, I built a very simple circuit that did a fair job of magnetizing small parts, screwdrivers, ect.... I used a couple layers of #18 bell wire wound over a toilet paper tube, and connected the coil in series with a lamp cord, and a small strip of aluminum foil (maybe 1/4 inch wide by 2 inches long.) When I flipped the wall switch that this mess was plugged into, the foil would disappear in a flash, and what ever bit of metal was in the tube became magnetized. Quick and dirty magnets. My parents were not amused, but this was the least of their worries. ;) Best Regards, JD ---------------------------------------------------------- The land was free, and the price was right. mules@palacenet.net ---------------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 26 00:11:17 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA18803; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 00:11:06 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 00:11:06 -0800 Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 01:11:02 -0700 (MST) From: Steve Ekwall X-Sender: ekwall2@november To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Magnetizer design (was Awsome PPM) In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19971126012700.00c18e58@palacenet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"-Rl931.0.ib4.OczUq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2399 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Wed, 26 Nov 1997, Jack DeMule wrote: >>At 10:29 11/25/97 -0800, Dave Dameron wrote: >>>Hello Jack and all, >>>Have you seen any articles on magnetizer design- optimizing the number of >>>coil turns for Maximum B field ~NI? N=number of turns, I=peak current. -snip- >>I examined several commercial units...the fixtures were >>always heavy gauge conductors, not many turns. One that I >>can recall clearly had about twenty turns, and another had six. -snip- >>The resistance of the coil was the limiting factor. >>That is why I used a few turns of very heavy conductor. >>If the rest of the circuit is built right, you will >>quickly reach a point where increasing the number >>of turns reduces the field strength. -------- Now I'm really confused :}, AJ Dubla sent a note here about -snip-"<1 ohm> > 100 turns" AND "very sturdy construction with epoxy after 2nd and 3rd layer" -snip- --------- Heavy Gauge wire Assumed: DC release through coil with 'extreme cap. discharge' w SCR.. (looking out for feedback/field echo(ing)).. but I'm reading a very Slow winding (~3-4) vs a very Tight winding (~100's and 2 to 3 layers)..Light Gauge wire(?) many 100's wrapping/layers on coil! ---------- what am i missing here?? JD & AJ Dubla both "embeded artifacts into ceiling" (safety note ok!), but for replicateable coil windings ??? # ??? Happy Thanksgiving :) thanks -=se=- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 26 03:52:48 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA13543; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 03:52:37 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 03:52:37 -0800 Message-Id: <199711261151.JAA29511@bigbox.plug-in.com.br> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Marcelo Puhl" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 09:31:23 -3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Magnetizer design Reply-to: mark@plug-in.com.br CC: ajdubla@primenet.com (AJ Dubla) Priority: normal In-reply-to: <199711260252.TAA14623@usr01.primenet.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Resent-Message-ID: <"xbCPh1.0.WJ3.4s0Vq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2400 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 19:52:05 -0700 (MST) > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > From: ajdubla@primenet.com (AJ Dubla) > Subject: Re: Magetizer design > Reply-to: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Hello, > > In my quest to recreate the VTA, I have build some magnetizers. For those > who haven't built something like this, let me give a basic design that gets > good results. > [...] > > Alan Dubla > Could you please tell us what were your results with recreating the VTA device ? I was thinking in doing some experiments with the VTA. Marcelo From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 26 04:25:50 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA27513; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 04:25:34 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 04:25:34 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <347BB8EC.28FC@xtra.co.nz> Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 18:51:40 +1300 From: Robbie Rowntree Reply-To: rown@xtra.co.nz X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-XTRA (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: David Hamel References: <199711010452.PAA24166@main.murray.net.au> <345E4504.4EE2@pacbell.net> <347B424B.5270@dove.net.au> <347B2FE8.33D0@pacbell.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"DolJx3.0.oj6.yK1Vq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2401 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > > A thought: If only one good working FE device was released, what would > all those other inventors and people in the "know" do. What would they > do with their toys? :) It only takes on Penguin to jump in to get the > rest to do likewise. > > Dan well come on Dan jump in dont just talk about how good the water is jump in boy ! -- **RRAMM** Good Waves Robbie Rowntree Self powered*Magnetic Motor*Electic Gen*Anti gravity drive EXPERIMENTAL RESEARCH From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 26 08:41:29 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA25826; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 08:41:18 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 08:41:18 -0800 From: Keasy@aol.com Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 11:40:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971126114040_937305249@mrin83.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Magetizer design Resent-Message-ID: <"RxmXZ.0.IJ6.i45Vq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2402 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: In a message dated 97-11-26 00:05:24 EST, you write: << variable dc power supply, preferably up to 480v >> This brings up my present equipment problem-------I am looking for just such a moderate voltage power supply but in the dozen or so electronics supply catalogs I have the "highest" voltage power supply available is *60* volts. Does anyone know of a source of reasonably priced power supplies in the range of 250-600 volts or so? Thanks Ken Keasy@aol.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 26 12:46:29 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA28185; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 12:46:03 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 12:46:03 -0800 Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 15:43:26 -0500 From: "Glenn F. Hinton" <103510.1772@compuserve.com> Subject: LEE TRIPPETT, GEORGE WISEMAN,ECT.. Sender: "Glenn F. Hinton" <103510.1772@compuserve.com> To: list owner Message-ID: <199711261543_MC2-29CA-BB8@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id MAA28145 Resent-Message-ID: <"GyA-U2.0.Gu6.9g8Vq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2403 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi all!! Have been shadowing this list for a year and and a half and have not posted very much as there is just too much that I don't understand, and did'nt want to muck up and use up bandwidth. I do, however, wholeheartedly support this list and its goals and am very appreciative to Bill for its inception and maintenance. I am posting now because of all the potshots taken at Greg and Jean-Louise (some would say constructive criticism) and Freds leaving (will be sorely missed!) and the feeling that now is the time to stand up and BE COUNTED. The research that Greg and Jean-Louis have done is amazing and whats more amazing, is the willingness to share this with others who are like minded. ( I know that I am leaving many others out here, but believe me I know who you are) I could say more, but you get the idea. Before we had this list, we had Keelynet BBS, INE ect and scattered others, and thank (insert your particular deity here) for them! We need this list! I need this list! Anyway, off the soapbox for now. Oh yeah, Jerry, have you heard from Lee Trippett, George Wiseman or Clarke lately? I really liked the way they posted (to your BBS) and the stuff they were working on. seemed to be pretty level headed and I could actually understand some of their ideas! Also Wes Crosair was always working on something interesting and always really objective (no B.S. there!) and would always share info, as well as ideas. WHERE ARE THESE GUYS????? Man, I wish they lived in San Diego! I have access to a state of the art machine shop ( 2, 300 megahertz systems for 3d modeling, EDM, CNCs up the ying yang ect) and would like to work with some one on a project who has the same interests and lives in San Diego. Happy Thanksgiving to all! Glenn Hinton 7510 Clairemont Mesa Blvd. #202 (work) San Diego,Ca. 92111 619-569-6957 work 619-265-2173 home From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 26 15:55:51 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA11036; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 15:55:08 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 15:55:08 -0800 Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 10:11:39 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199711261711.KAA29804@smtp01.primenet.com> X-Sender: ajdubla@pop.primenet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: ajdubla@primenet.com (AJ Dubla) Subject: Re: Magetizer design Resent-Message-ID: <"5Da-H.0.Ci2.QRBVq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2404 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 11:40 AM 11/26/97 -0500, freenrg-l@eskimo.com wrote: >In a message dated 97-11-26 00:05:24 EST, you write: > ><< variable dc power supply, preferably up to 480v >> >This brings up my present equipment problem-------I am looking for just such >a moderate voltage power supply but in the dozen or so electronics supply >catalogs I have the "highest" voltage power supply available is *60* volts. > Does anyone know of a source of reasonably priced power supplies in the >range of 250-600 volts or so? > Thanks Ken > Keasy@aol.com > > Ken, I purchased a 350 vdc HP power supply from a place called Apache Reclaimation in Phoenix, AZ, for $300. You may want to look them up and see what they have. Other than that, I suggest assembling a variable voltage 4xer to take wall current and rectify it to DC. There are many electronic cookbooks that detail circuits like that. Cheers, Alan Dubla From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 26 16:12:21 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA18533; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 16:11:32 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 16:11:32 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 17:10:37 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199711270010.RAA12958@smtp04.primenet.com> X-Sender: ajdubla@pop.primenet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: ajdubla@primenet.com (AJ Dubla) Subject: Re: Magnetizer design (was Awsome PPM) Resent-Message-ID: <"_WFND3.0.KX4.kgBVq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2406 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 01:11 AM 11/26/97 -0700, freenrg-l@eskimo.com wrote: >On Wed, 26 Nov 1997, Jack DeMule wrote: > >>At 10:29 11/25/97 -0800, Dave Dameron wrote: > >>>Hello Jack and all, > >>>Have you seen any articles on magnetizer design- optimizing the number of > >>>coil turns for Maximum B field ~NI? N=number of turns, I=peak current. >-snip- > >>I examined several commercial units...the fixtures were > >>always heavy gauge conductors, not many turns. One that I > >>can recall clearly had about twenty turns, and another had six. >-snip- > >>The resistance of the coil was the limiting factor. > >>That is why I used a few turns of very heavy conductor. > >>If the rest of the circuit is built right, you will > >>quickly reach a point where increasing the number > >>of turns reduces the field strength. > -------- >Now I'm really confused :}, >AJ Dubla sent a note >here about -snip-"<1 ohm> > 100 turns" AND "very sturdy construction with >epoxy after 2nd and 3rd layer" -snip- >--------- >Heavy Gauge wire >Assumed: DC release through coil with 'extreme cap. discharge' w SCR.. >(looking out for feedback/field echo(ing)).. but I'm reading a very Slow >winding (~3-4) vs a very Tight winding (~100's and 2 to 3 layers)..Light >Gauge wire(?) many 100's wrapping/layers on coil! > >---------- > what am i missing here?? > >JD & AJ Dubla both "embeded artifacts into ceiling" (safety note ok!), >but for replicateable coil windings ??? # ??? > >Happy Thanksgiving :) > >thanks >-=se=- > > > > Steve, Mr. Demule's design should work also, I was just relaying what has worked for me. Alan Dubla From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 26 16:12:33 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA18520; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 16:11:32 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 16:11:32 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 17:10:37 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199711270010.RAA12960@smtp04.primenet.com> X-Sender: ajdubla@pop.primenet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: ajdubla@primenet.com (AJ Dubla) Subject: Re: Magetizer design more info needed Resent-Message-ID: <"fiCYb1.0.DX4.jgBVq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2405 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 05:45 PM 11/26/97 +1100, freenrg-l@eskimo.com wrote: >At 07:52 PM 11/25/97 -0700, you wrote: >>Hello, >> >>In my quest to recreate the VTA, I have build some magnetizers. For those >>who haven't built something like this, let me give a basic design that gets >>good results. >> >>5000-10000 uf 480v caps in parallel >>600v SCR >>simple circuit to fire the SCR based on your needs >>large variable resistor to limit current while charging up >>variable dc power supply, preferably up to 480v >>And a coil. I shoot for < 1 ohm, > 100 turns, and very sturdy construction >>with epoxy after every 2nd or 3rd layer. >> >>The construction of the coil is very important. If the coil is not wound >>tight with a bonding agent, it will loosen and split. This causes problems >>recreating previous work. The coil must also be attached to something heavy >>along with the object you want to 'zap'. Safety here is a must. My machine >>will embed objects into the ceiling, along with producing pretty patterns in >>magnets. ;) >> >>Good Luck, >> >>Alan Dubla >> >> >>Alan > >sounds just like what I need. >I may be a bit dense but how many capacitors are needed to string this >thing together in parallel > >Geoff > > > Geoff, I currently use 20 390 uf caps...because they were cheap. My next design which I'm working on will use 5 2000 uf caps. Alan From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 26 16:12:44 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA18653; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 16:12:01 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 16:12:01 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 17:10:39 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199711270010.RAA12978@smtp04.primenet.com> X-Sender: ajdubla@pop.primenet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: mark@plug-in.com.br, freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: ajdubla@primenet.com (AJ Dubla) Subject: Re: Magnetizer design Resent-Message-ID: <"NCPKp.0.FZ4.BhBVq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2407 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 09:31 AM 11/26/97 -3, mark@plug-in.com.br wrote: >> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 19:52:05 -0700 (MST) >> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >> From: ajdubla@primenet.com (AJ Dubla) >> Subject: Re: Magetizer design >> Reply-to: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > >> Hello, >> >> In my quest to recreate the VTA, I have build some magnetizers. For those >> who haven't built something like this, let me give a basic design that gets >> good results. >> >[...] >> >> Alan Dubla >> > >Could you please tell us what were your results with recreating the >VTA device ? > >I was thinking in doing some experiments with the VTA. > >Marcelo > > > Marcelo, I have been able to create the magnetic bubbles in the magnets, but so far I haven't been able to pull out even 10% of what I put into it. I am still looking for large BaFe magnets, the SrFe ones don't seem to be doing much... Alan Dubla From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 26 17:54:28 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA02591; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 17:54:18 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 17:54:18 -0800 X-Sender: leoguitar@mail.vossnet.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, mark@plug-in.com.br, ajdubla@primenet.com From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Re: VTA Magnetizer design ? Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 02:53:45 +0100 Message-Id: <19971127025345.0b660dc7.in@pop3.vossnet.de> Resent-Message-ID: <"WfUUk3.0.Je.9BDVq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2408 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >Marcelo, > >I have been able to create the magnetic bubbles in the magnets, but so far I >haven't been able to pull out even 10% of what I put into it. I am still >looking for large BaFe magnets, the SrFe ones don't seem to be doing much... > > >Alan Dubla > > Hi Alan, what for are the bubbles ? What is done via them ? Any modulation of the fields ? How should the VTA work ? Please let us know. Regards, Stefan. > -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 26 18:10:56 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA06548; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 18:10:38 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 18:10:38 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 19:14:16 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199711270214.TAA02894@smtp02.primenet.com> X-Sender: ajdubla@pop.primenet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann), freenrg-l@eskimo.com, mark@plug-in.com.br From: ajdubla@primenet.com (AJ Dubla) Subject: Re: VTA Magnetizer design ? Resent-Message-ID: <"KU3jf1.0.Cc1.RQDVq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2409 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Stefan, In reply to your letter: At 02:53 AM 11/27/97 +0100, Stefan Hartmann wrote: > >>Marcelo, >> >>I have been able to create the magnetic bubbles in the magnets, but so far I >>haven't been able to pull out even 10% of what I put into it. I am still >>looking for large BaFe magnets, the SrFe ones don't seem to be doing much... >> >> >>Alan Dubla >> >> > >Hi Alan, > > >what for are the bubbles ? What I call a bubble is the circular formation of the Bloch Wall parallel to the face of the magnet that vibrates in and out easily by influence of an external magnetic field. >What is done via them ? Supposedly you can extract the same energy Sweet got by specially preparing a magnet like this along with some other conditioning I haven't achieved yet. >Any modulation of the fields ? When properly conditioned, I hear. >How should the VTA work ? I'm not really sure anymore. If I ever get results, I will post them. Regards, Alan Dubla From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 26 18:31:44 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA10761; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 18:30:55 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 18:30:55 -0800 (PST) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 21:22:57 -0500 Subject: TVQ Group Message-ID: <19971126.212558.6366.5.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> References: <199711010452.PAA24166@main.murray.net.au> <347B2FE8.33D0@pacbell.net> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 3-9 From: steve-nyeoka@juno.com (Stephen L Heckman) Resent-Message-ID: <"yKm_73.0.yd2.LjDVq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2410 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Got an article off KeelyNet dated June 6, 1993 from the TVQ group. They mention that they were to publish a series of designs based on scalar electromagnetics. The only thing I saw with TVQ on it was the Scalar Electromagnetic Gradiometer posted by Bob Shannon on Bill B's site. Anyone hear frm TVQ lately? Have they published anything else? Just curious. Steve Heckman From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 26 18:32:06 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA10795; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 18:31:03 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 18:31:03 -0800 (PST) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 19:03:15 -0500 Subject: Re: the stick (ZPE VS RE) Message-ID: <19971126.212558.6366.0.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> References: <3.0.1.32.19971122175121.00d93b28@palacenet.net> <3.0.1.32.19971123015034.00d8fa0c@palacenet.net> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-5,7-8,10-12 From: steve-nyeoka@juno.com (Stephen L Heckman) Resent-Message-ID: <"2hsmC2.0.Se2.RjDVq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2411 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Sun, 23 Nov 1997 01:50:34 -0600 Jack DeMule writes: >I still believe that FE research is bogged down in "ZPE >think"...maybe ZPE is real...maybe not. It seems that the theoretical alternative to ZPE is Radiant Energy (what Morray believes he was tapping in to...). I could go eighter way, looking at the "soft electron" theory as a bridge between the two. Steve Heckman From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 26 18:32:22 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA10859; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 18:31:29 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 18:31:29 -0800 (PST) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 21:14:58 -0500 Subject: Re: Beauty and the Machine Message-ID: <19971126.212558.6366.4.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> References: <199711242303.SAA02810@csrlink.net> <347B3AE8.7792@dove.net.au> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-16,19-21 From: steve-nyeoka@juno.com (Stephen L Heckman) Resent-Message-ID: <"wABKF2.0.Mf2.ejDVq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2412 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Tue, 25 Nov 1997 12:54:01 -0800 "Glenville T. Sawyer" writes: > Is that this "odd" radiation that my ittle detector was picking up >a few years ago ? > > - For those that came in late, I built up a (reasonably) simple >circuit using a quad op-amp and a few passives, and used an Amber >L.E.D inside a plastic enclosure, this fed a speaker and meter >arrangement. > > > I wonder if anyone else actually built up that circuit ? > it was posted on the net several months ago, and I was under the >impression that it had also been put up on another of the lists' >subscribers pages ? - who was this ?? > Curious about the design. Interested an any "scalar" or "x-energy" detector designs out there. Downloaded Bob Shannons articles (did get the full article on the Gradiometer). Steve Heckman From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 26 18:32:32 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA10902; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 18:31:30 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 18:31:30 -0800 (PST) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 19:54:45 -0500 Subject: Re: Beauty and the Machine Message-ID: <19971126.212558.6366.2.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-9,14-16 From: steve-nyeoka@juno.com (Stephen L Heckman) Resent-Message-ID: <"j7Zzo2.0.zf2.mjDVq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2413 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Thu, 20 Nov 1997 12:02:48 +0000 "Frank C. Earl" writes: > I read about Stine's symbolic device in >another book referring to his book- if memory serves, it was >Bearden's Exalibur Briefing (Which was in the college library- I >really wish I could obtain it for my library. While it's not overly >useful for FE or Psychotronics stuff- it's still interesting reading >and does give a decent overview to work from for the stuff.). Actually, I thought it gave an excellent overview. They had a copy in the Library at Clark Air Base in the Phillippines...while I was stationed there in the mid-80's "I" had an interesting experience with the ECM (Radar Warning Receivers) of four F-4's that seemed to confirm Bearden's theory that the Soviets were "embedding" scalar potentials on microwaves. Steve Heckman From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 26 18:32:47 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA10944; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 18:31:32 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 18:31:32 -0800 (PST) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 20:52:15 -0500 Subject: Re: Electrogravitics : The Rambaut's spinning ball experiment Message-ID: <19971126.212558.6366.3.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> References: <971121110853_1339341751@mrin52.mail.aol.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-4,8-9,13-14,17-18,22-23,25-26,29-33 From: steve-nyeoka@juno.com (Stephen L Heckman) Resent-Message-ID: <"4g4Hs1.0.pg2.zjDVq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2414 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Fri, 21 Nov 1997 11:08:53 -0500 (EST) Keasy@aol.com writes: > However, if the larger vertical wires are too close together the field from them > could account for both the swinging and turning. > "We" may be able to totally eliminate any influence of the wires by simply allowing the positive lead to dangle from the ball (providing it has enough length so it won't hinder the ball's twisting). The negitive lead could simply follow the nylon support wire. About the earth's magnetic field.... this implies that the ball is acting like a armature of a DC motor. I pictured it with the current flowing from - to + following around the ball in two paths, on opposite sides (pictured in cross section). If this twist is actually due to interaction with the earths magnetic field, one could temperory increase the field with two bar magnets (one on each side) and see if the effect is increased. If so, it still seems strange since my understanding of DC motor theory would have such a "rotor" stationary. Then, perhaps, it may be explained by a component of EM not accounted for in conventional EM theory (which is what we are looking for). This experiment may actually give us some insight on the direction of that force component ! By the way, where do you get 70mm steel balls? Does it have to be steel? DO plan to try out this one when I go back to work monday (got a high ceiling and a good collection of DC supplies)! go for it! Steve Heckman From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Nov 26 19:14:51 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA17421; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 19:14:11 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 19:14:11 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 22:19:46 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711270319.WAA13989@mail.wincom.net> X-Sender: wood@mail.wincom.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: wood Subject: Re: David Hamel Resent-Message-ID: <"8gQE93.0.6G4.1MEVq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2415 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I recieved a call from David Hammel last week.It is very hard to get through his thick french Canadian accent but he was talking about showing something to a group of people last weekend and invited me down.He was talking about some kind of propulsion system and wondered if I could use it in a piloted scale replica of the Avro Arrow(Canadian Jet fighter) that I am building. I couldn't make it down but I sure am curious about what he was showing last weekend. Woody From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Nov 27 00:01:34 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA24834; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 00:00:58 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 00:00:58 -0800 Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 00:00:51 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711270800.AAA20221@sweden.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Dave Dameron Subject: Re: Magetizer design Resent-Message-ID: <"RAOkp2.0.x36.vYIVq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2416 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Ken, At 11:40 AM 11/26/97 -0500, you wrote: >In a message dated 97-11-26 00:05:24 EST, you write: > ><< variable dc power supply, preferably up to 480v >> >This brings up my present equipment problem-------I am looking for just such >a moderate voltage power supply but in the dozen or so electronics supply >catalogs I have the "highest" voltage power supply available is *60* volts. > Does anyone know of a source of reasonably priced power supplies in the >range of 250-600 volts or so? > Thanks Ken > Keasy@aol.com > A simple and cheap one would be a voltage multiplier (2X to 4X) run off the AC line, with a variable transformer. What kind of current do you require, or is it for charging caps? For those with 220 Volts, a doubler would be more than enough, peak DC about 640 volts. If the whole thing isn't well insulated from ground, an isolation transformer could be used as well. For an inrush current limiter, I use an incandescent light bulb in series with one of the AC wires, for charging magnetizer capacitors. Different wattage bulbs can be used for different rates. -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Nov 27 02:45:10 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA06384; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 02:44:58 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 02:44:58 -0800 Message-Id: <199711271043.IAA10294@bigbox.plug-in.com.br> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Marcelo Puhl" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 08:46:24 -3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Magnetizer design Reply-to: mark@plug-in.com.br CC: ajdubla@primenet.com (AJ Dubla) Priority: normal In-reply-to: <199711270010.RAA12978@smtp04.primenet.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Resent-Message-ID: <"XrA_T1.0.dZ1.fyKVq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2417 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > > I have been able to create the magnetic bubbles in the magnets, but so far I > haven't been able to pull out even 10% of what I put into it. I am still > looking for large BaFe magnets, the SrFe ones don't seem to be doing much... > > Alan Dubla > These "magnetic bubbles" are the final secret of the VTA ? What is the theory behind this ? Could you please give more details about the coils you have used ? Thanks, Marcelo From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Nov 27 10:27:55 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA01956; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 10:27:40 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 10:27:40 -0800 Message-Id: <199711271826.NAA21915@csrlink.net> From: "Jim Shaffer, Jr." To: Subject: Re: Doing physics with quaternions Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 13:14:31 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"SbJil2.0.OU.RkRVq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2418 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: > From: Stephen L Heckman > Personally I don't think we would see too many changes to ohms law > itself, at least for DC circuits. I am not sure, but I remember something > called the j-operator when studying AC circuits in High School (I went to > a Vo-Tech for Electronics), which looks like it has the same mathematical > basis as quaternions (used the square root of -1), and was used for > solving impedances in AC circuits. I don't think quaternions are quite as simple as that. Not only are there i, j, and k operators which all equal the square root of -1, isn't it true that i*j*k also equals -1? "There are four kinds of people in this world: cretins, fools, morons, and lunatics." --Umberto Eco From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Nov 27 10:42:33 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA24924; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 10:41:42 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 10:41:42 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: rmuha@mail Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199711271826.NAA21915@csrlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 13:40:43 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: ralph muha Subject: Re: Doing physics with quaternions Resent-Message-ID: <"EBdIP2.0.L56.axRVq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2419 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 1:14 PM -0500 11/27/97, Jim Shaffer, Jr. wrote: >I don't think quaternions are quite as simple as that. Not only are >there i, j, and k operators which all equal the square root of -1, >isn't it true that i*j*k also equals -1? right. the defining equation is "i^2 = j^2 = k^2 = ijk = -1". when Hamiliton had his quaternion 'Eureka', he carved that into the stone of a nearby bridge. for more info, see http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Mathematicians/Hamilton.html r From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Nov 27 15:05:22 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA23845; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 15:04:40 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 15:04:40 -0800 Message-ID: <347DEE07.A47C73F7@pavilion.co.uk> Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 23:02:52 +0100 From: Rob Dowse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Doing physics with quaternions References: <199711271826.NAA21915@csrlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"BOStG.0.Tq5.6oVVq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2420 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: <....I don't think quaternions are quite as simple as that. Not only are there i, j, and k operators which all equal the square root of -1, isn't it true that i*j*k also equals -1?...> Is there anyone out there who can explain quarternions and their implications in a few K's in plain language? I'd realy apreciate a briefing (and an out-line of the pros and cons?) to assess how much effort to devote. Thanks. --------- Rob Dowse From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Nov 27 15:10:35 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA24836; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 15:10:24 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 15:10:24 -0800 Message-ID: <347DEE1F.D98E221E@pavilion.co.uk> Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 23:03:15 +0100 From: Rob Dowse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: VTA Magnetizer design ? References: <199711270214.TAA02894@smtp02.primenet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"pjpmG.0.y36.VtVVq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2421 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: AJ Dubla wrote: >I have been able to create the magnetic bubbles in the magnets, but so far I >haven't been able to pull out even 10% of what I put into it. I am still >looking for large BaFe magnets, the SrFe ones don't seem to be doing much... I know a good cheap supplier here in the UK....also it's possible to get uncut 'as sintered' blocks at least circa 100x100x circa 30mm? > What I call a bubble is the circular formation of the Bloch Wall parallel to > the face of the magnet that vibrates in and out easily by influence of an > external magnetic field. Please can you post exact details of how you achieved this? This is VERY interesting! Also I don't understand Bloch Wall, are there any reference you have? Can you write some more about what you have think you have done? We may be able to generate some usefull feedback. > Supposedly you can extract the same energy Sweet got by specially preparing > a magnet like this along with some other conditioning I haven't achieved yet. > > >Any modulation of the fields ? > > When properly conditioned, I hear. > > >How should the VTA work ? > > I'm not really sure anymore. If I ever get results, I will post them. > > Regards, > > Alan Dubla Hi Alan, I'm very keen to see more detailed notes on your experiments. If anyone objects to wasted bandwitdth here perhaps they can post to that effect? Meanwhile I'd like to see more hard data on more experiments that are being done. There is an off list dialogue on the Elpex electrogravity project for those who want to read about actual experiments being done now. -- --------- Rob Dowse From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Nov 27 15:37:53 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA16669; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 15:37:36 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 15:37:36 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 10:36:29 +1100 Message-Id: <199711272336.KAA10715@nornet.nor.com.au> X-Sender: mindtech@pophost.nor.com.au (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Peter Nielsen Subject: Re: Solar Harness Resent-Message-ID: <"xC2aO3.0.544.sGWVq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2422 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >1) A magnetic field will cause charged particles to go around in a >circle. If a charged particle has sufficient energy, then it can >ionise atoms that it comes across during its journey. A circular >journey can be much longer than a straight line in a thin solar cell. >So an energetic particle could, in a magnetic field, ionise lots of >atoms. When you ionise atoms in a semiconductor, you lower the >internal resistance, so that the voltage drop across the load >increases. I.e. the device efficiency can improve. >2) Two possible sources of energetic particles, are cosmic rays, and >free electrons produced by absorption of UV and x-rays from the Sun. >Note that the actual wavelengths that provide energy in a solar cell >are mostly in the infra-red, so the UV component of sun-light is not >usually used (it's part of the ~80% that's left over from the 20% >efficiency). > > >Regards, > >Robin van Spaandonk > Research was done at Sydney University using solar cells with superimposed ES fields. Probably a fine mesh, or conductive coating on glass. They were a bit tight-lipped about it, but did claim an increase in efficiency ... probably just to get me out of their lab :-) This also offers the prospect of introducing frequency-related effects, unattainable with PM's. You can even do it with a commercial cell. Peter Nielsen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Nov 27 17:35:11 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA10314; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 17:34:32 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 17:34:32 -0800 Date: 27 Nov 1997 06:00:00 +0200 From: freenrg_list@sigma.sax.de (Andreas Hecht) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Message-ID: <6ifuuyE9L$B@sigma.sax.de> Subject: Seike's book? X-Mailer: CrossPoint v3.11 R/B9504 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Organization: private site in germany; member of Individual Network e.V. Resent-Message-ID: <"qI56C1.0.3X2.c-XVq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2423 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi, anyone on the list, who knows how to get Sinchi Seike's book 'The principles Of Ultra-Relativity' ? I've wrote a letter to him, but there was no response... regrads, Andreas -- ahecht@sigma.sax.de Andreas Hecht Moritzburger Str. 41 +49-(0)3523 63537 voice/fax/(data) D-01640 Coswig ************************************************************************ Visit the _Borderlands of Science_! http://www.sax.de/~stalker/borderland/ (Sorry, german only at this time - english version under construction!) ************************************************************************ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Nov 27 22:35:04 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA13134; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 22:34:38 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 22:34:38 -0800 Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 18:34:40 +1100 Message-Id: <199711280734.SAA32156@main.murray.net.au> X-Sender: egel@mail.sa.ozland.net.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Geoff Egel Subject: Re: David Hamel Resent-Message-ID: <"JNbjE.0.7D3.zNcVq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2425 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 10:19 PM 11/26/97 -0500, you wrote: > I recieved a call from David Hammel last week.It is very hard to get >through his thick french Canadian accent but he was talking about showing >something to a group of people last weekend and invited me down.He was >talking about some kind of propulsion system and wondered if I could use it >in a piloted scale replica of the Avro Arrow(Canadian Jet fighter) that I am >building. I couldn't make it down but I sure am curious about what he was >showing last weekend. > > Woody > >He not the only One ,if anyone can elighten me and the others on this newsgroup I sure it would be recieved with interest. Geoff http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab1135 > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Nov 27 22:36:04 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA01529; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 22:35:18 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 22:35:18 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 16:52:50 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199711272352.QAA01356@smtp01.primenet.com> X-Sender: ajdubla@pop.primenet.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: ajdubla@primenet.com (AJ Dubla) Subject: Re: VTA Magnetizer design ? Resent-Message-ID: <"Sdaa_1.0.kN.XOcVq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2424 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Rob, In reply: At 11:03 PM 11/27/97 +0100, freenrg-l@eskimo.com wrote: >AJ Dubla wrote: > >>I have been able to create the magnetic bubbles in the magnets, but so far I >>haven't been able to pull out even 10% of what I put into it. I am still >>looking for large BaFe magnets, the SrFe ones don't seem to be doing much... > >I know a good cheap supplier here in the UK....also it's possible to get uncut 'as >sintered' blocks at least circa 100x100x circa 30mm? Excellent, I am in need. I am looking for 15-20 4X6X1 inch, or 4X6X.5 inch grade 5 BaFe magnets, magnetized or not - doesn't matter. > > >> What I call a bubble is the circular formation of the Bloch Wall parallel to >> the face of the magnet that vibrates in and out easily by influence of an >> external magnetic field. > >Please can you post exact details of how you achieved this? This is VERY >interesting! Also I don't understand Bloch Wall, are there any reference you >have? Can you write some more about what you have think you have done? We may >be able to generate some usefull feedback. Check out my webpage, http:\\www.space-research.com\~ajdubla\vta If it isn't up, try back in a few hours - the server is not doing so well lately. > > >> Supposedly you can extract the same energy Sweet got by specially preparing >> a magnet like this along with some other conditioning I haven't achieved yet. >> >> >Any modulation of the fields ? >> >> When properly conditioned, I hear. >> >> >How should the VTA work ? >> >> I'm not really sure anymore. If I ever get results, I will post them. >> >> Regards, >> >> Alan Dubla > >Hi Alan, > >I'm very keen to see more detailed notes on your experiments. > >If anyone objects to wasted bandwitdth here perhaps they can post to that >effect? > >Meanwhile I'd like to see more hard data on more experiments that are >being done. > >There is an off list dialogue on the Elpex electrogravity project > for those who want to read about actual experiments being >done now. > >-- > >--------- >Rob Dowse > > > Check out that webpage and post what questions you have, I will try to answer them as best I can. Alan Dubla From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Nov 27 22:41:29 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA14514; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 22:41:13 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 22:41:13 -0800 Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 18:41:15 +1100 Message-Id: <199711280741.SAA32201@main.murray.net.au> X-Sender: egel@mail.sa.ozland.net.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Geoff Egel Subject: Re: VTA Magnetizer design ? Resent-Message-ID: <"lB8Vl2.0.gY3.7UcVq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2426 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 11:03 PM 11/27/97 +0100, you wrote: >AJ Dubla wrote: > >>I have been able to create the magnetic bubbles in the magnets, but so far I >>haven't been able to pull out even 10% of what I put into it. I am still >>looking for large BaFe magnets, the SrFe ones don't seem to be doing much... > >I know a good cheap supplier here in the UK....also it's possible to get uncut 'as >sintered' blocks at least circa 100x100x circa 30mm? > > >> What I call a bubble is the circular formation of the Bloch Wall parallel to >> the face of the magnet that vibrates in and out easily by influence of an >> external magnetic field. > >Please can you post exact details of how you achieved this? This is VERY >interesting! Also I don't understand Bloch Wall, are there any reference you >have? Can you write some more about what you have think you have done? We may >be able to generate some usefull feedback. > > >> Supposedly you can extract the same energy Sweet got by specially preparing >> a magnet like this along with some other conditioning I haven't achieved yet. >> >> >Any modulation of the fields ? >> >> When properly conditioned, I hear. >> >> >How should the VTA work ? >> >> I'm not really sure anymore. If I ever get results, I will post them. >> >> Regards, >> >> Alan Dubla > >Hi Alan, > >I'm very keen to see more detailed notes on your experiments. > >If anyone objects to wasted bandwitdth here perhaps they can post to that >effect? > >Meanwhile I'd like to see more hard data on more experiments that are >being done. > if Alan doesn't object I would like to see them too on this newsgroup or Alan you can send them to email address above Looking forward to hearing of your results Geoff http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135 >There is an off list dialogue on the Elpex electrogravity project > for those who want to read about actual experiments being >done now. > >-- > >--------- >Rob Dowse > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Nov 27 22:49:48 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA04734; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 22:49:27 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 22:49:27 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 18:48:42 +1100 Message-Id: <199711280748.SAA32245@main.murray.net.au> X-Sender: egel@mail.sa.ozland.net.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Geoff Egel Subject: Re:Has any one heard of these Resent-Message-ID: <"Vaa02.0.s91.pbcVq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2427 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 07:52 PM 11/25/97 -0700, you wrote: >Hello, > I recieved a letter trying to sell me some info on the following do any one on the newsgroup know anything about these. The hydrogen Brief The Horvath Hydrogen Patent Fuel for free by Carl Cella The Hilton Centrifical Engine apparerntly pollution free with 3 moving parts 95% efficient Geoff hhtp://www.geocities.com/researchTriangle/Lab/1135 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Nov 27 23:47:27 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA21500; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 23:47:12 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 23:47:12 -0800 X-ROUTED: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 02:43:44 -0500 X-TCP-IDENTITY: Paula Message-ID: <347DE47B.4C7C48FE@southconn.com> Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 13:22:03 -0800 From: steve/paula Organization: Sisters of Silicon, Inc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, JNaudin509@aol.com Subject: Real Audio Lift Demo References: <971123045132_-1742503736@mrin47> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"m07o-2.0.mF5.-RdVq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2428 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Jeane - very impressive real audio demonstration of the electrostatic lift effect....I noticed that you have some styrofoam (?) balls on the table, are they to show the effect is not caused by "electrostatic wind"? - If it were caused by the "wind" wouldn't the effect be in the negative direction, since the molecules of air would be moving from negative to positive? I have been very impressed by the real audio, it really shows the experiment....maybe you could list the steps you have taken to get the real audio.....did you have to pay for the software to make these little movies...or is it free...and how hard is it to do.... The real audio might be something other experimentors would like to use to show demonstrations....thanks....steve opelc From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Nov 28 03:41:21 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA07990; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 03:40:40 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 03:40:40 -0800 Message-Id: <199711281140.MAA44852@sdn5.csc.dk> From: i3683@csc.dk (I3683) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 12:30:00 CET Subject: Ang.: Seike's book? MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id DAA07973 Resent-Message-ID: <"KxzKd2.0.ly1.tsgVq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2429 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >anyone on the list, who knows how to get Sinchi Seike's >book 'The principles Of Ultra-Relativity' ? I've wrote a >letter to him, but there was no response... I have the book, but I dont remember how I got it. The book is not entirely sane... Regards, Anders From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Nov 28 16:20:43 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA30173; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 16:20:17 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 16:20:17 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 19:16:42 -0500 Subject: None Message-ID: <19971128.191646.6374.1.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> References: <199711272336.KAA10715@nornet.nor.com.au> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0 From: steve-nyeoka@juno.com (Stephen L Heckman) Resent-Message-ID: <"1ZdE2.0.LN7._-rVq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2430 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Test From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Nov 28 18:19:49 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA17412; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 18:19:39 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 18:19:39 -0800 Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 21:25:54 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711290225.VAA25054@mail.wincom.net> X-Sender: wood@mail.wincom.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: wood Subject: idea Resent-Message-ID: <"YOxX72.0.zF4.vktVq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2431 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I received a neat toy for my birthday.It is called a Levitron, basicly it is a spinning top that can be suspended in mid air over a magnetic base.It will remain suspended as long as the top spins. Not really practical but it sure looks strange suspended in mid air.Not to get off topic but if anyone has built a Hammel spinner and then looked at this Levitron the similarities are there,now just to figure out how to combine them to get perpetual motion. Woody From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Nov 28 21:58:58 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA18817; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 21:58:38 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 21:58:38 -0800 Message-ID: <347FAFFC.E1E82CE2@microtronics.com.au> Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 16:32:36 +1030 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List Server Freenrg CC: List Server Vortex Subject: Smot Mk4 Kit Update Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Wfkso.0.Xb4.CywVq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2432 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi All, I have received all 50 bases from the CNC guys and returned 35 for better polishing. I am currently testing the 15 bases I have accepted. I am testing in batches of 3, mixing the 3 bases, magnet arrays & balls in a 3 x 3 x 3 matrix (27 tests per batch). Will update the shipping schedule when I finish the testing. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Nov 29 00:03:27 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA09216; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 00:02:55 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 00:02:55 -0800 X-Sender: leoguitar@mail.vossnet.de (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, ajdubla@primenet.com From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Re: VTA bubbles Magnetizer design ? Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 09:02:31 +0100 Message-Id: <19971129090231.17046809.in@pop3.vossnet.de> Resent-Message-ID: <"H1yud3.0.vF2.kmyVq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2433 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: >Check out that webpage and post what questions you have, I will try to >answer them as best I can. > > >Alan Dubla Hi Alan, waht kind of material is on the floor there, which shows these mysterious bubbles ??? http://www.space-research.com/~ajdubla/vta/magbub/magbub.htm How did you place your coils to create this effect ? Just layed ontop the ferrite material ? Please let us know more. Thanks ! Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Nov 29 08:09:18 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA20875; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 08:08:59 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 08:08:59 -0800 Message-ID: <34802F8E.DCB40C1F@pavilion.co.uk> Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 16:06:58 +0100 From: Robert Dowse Reply-To: redesign@pavilion.co.uk X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, Alan Dubla Subject: Re: VTA Magnetizer design ? References: <199711272352.QAA01356@smtp01.primenet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"SHLFI.0._55.Pu3Wq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2434 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: AJ Dubla wrote: > Excellent, I am in need. I am looking for 15-20 4X6X1 inch, or 4X6X.5 inch > grade 5 BaFe magnets, magnetized or not - doesn't matter. Grade 5 is usually in ring form for loudspeakers! I've just phoned and it turns out the big stuff is only available in Strontium. The Chinese make ceramic magnets maybe you can try their trade delegation near you? Why not use a block composed of a bunch of smaller magnets? > Check out my webpage, http:\\www.space-research.com\~ajdubla\vta If it > isn't up, try back in a few hours - the server is not doing so well lately. > Check out that webpage and post what questions you have, I will try to > answer them as best I can. > > Alan Dubla Thanks Alan I will read and get back... --------- Rob Dowse From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Nov 29 14:32:57 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA05421; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 14:32:38 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 14:32:38 -0800 Message-ID: <3480B474.5E56@keelynet.com> Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 16:33:56 -0800 From: Jerry Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: LEE TRIPPETT, GEORGE WISEMAN,ECT.. References: <199711261543_MC2-29CA-BB8@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"NtUB32.0.XK1.4W9Wq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2435 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Glenn! Yes, the potshots do get very old and serve no useful purpose...they should more properly be posted between the disputing parties... I too miss the message base on the BBS and that's enough reason to get it back online....we did have some very cool discussions....I remember the most common 'problem' was the linkages from within an email that opened up so many other questions....those were fun and really pulled in some good info.... Haven't heard from Lee in a year or so....George has his own webpage and I haven't heard from Clark Matthews in about 2 years or so. Just got an interesting reprint from an East Indian newspaper that I will post in the next few hours....has to do with using a DC motor to create AC power, but it claims you get much more AC power than it took to create it.....based on Avramenkos plug....and the transmission of power over a single wire using a mono-vibrator...guess I should pull all that together into a paper (or linked papers) that explain it and give some detail....seeya Glenn and thanks for the nice comments...Bill has done a great service here.....as with Vortex and his website..... -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://www.keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / KeelyNet BBS (214) 324-3501 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite, Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Nov 29 18:27:21 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA14679; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 18:26:45 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 18:26:45 -0800 (PST) From: Jiyani@aol.com Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 21:25:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971129212522_937714865@mrin47> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: ECT. Resent-Message-ID: <"1RENE.0.Fb3.XxCWq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2436 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: It is extremely irritating to me for such an intelligent group of people to constantly use the abbreviation for the term "etcetera" in such an faulty manner. The abreviation is ETC. not ECT. I suppose that the subject matter is of the only importance and therefore such pedantical trivia as a mis-spelled "etc" is ignored. However I believe that when details are overlooked in the process of investigation, the end result is often flawed. At the very least it is more questionable because it has displayed carelessness in its developement, and it may lose the respect and attention which it really deserves. In the case of someone using a second language and making errors I can be very forgiving. I usually admire those who do so well with english as a second language and wish I could speak their original language as well as they do mine. But ect? I say ECHH! Thanks for listening, Jiyani Lawson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Nov 29 18:43:05 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA17056; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 18:42:31 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 18:42:31 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3480EED8.3AAF@keelynet.com> Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 20:43:04 -0800 From: Jerry Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Resonant Power Transmission References: <347FAFFC.E1E82CE2@microtronics.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"oV_V33.0.OA4.KADWq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2437 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Folks! Just got an interesting file from Elling Olsen in Norway about improving efficiency by using resonance between the source and the load....posted at; http://www.keelynet.com/energy/rpe.htm if you are interested... -- Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://www.keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / KeelyNet BBS (214) 324-3501 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite, Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Nov 29 19:06:25 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA06197; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 19:06:11 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 19:06:11 -0800 Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 22:12:25 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711300312.WAA07460@mail.wincom.net> X-Sender: wood@mail.wincom.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: wood Subject: Re: Spinner Resent-Message-ID: <"-w12J1.0.kW1.XWDWq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2439 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 06:39 PM 11/28/97 +0000, you wrote: >Woody, > >The Hamel Spinner in this design will spin forever!!! It has to be >built right. The cup the spinner sits in has to have the right angle. >When you lower the top disc magnet down to a certain height, it will >forever spin. > >Dan > How long has yours been spinning or one you know of has been spinning? Woody From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Nov 29 19:06:27 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA06185; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 19:06:08 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 19:06:08 -0800 Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 22:12:22 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711300312.WAA07448@mail.wincom.net> X-Sender: wood@mail.wincom.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: wood Subject: Re: idea Resent-Message-ID: <"nta0h2.0.RW1.VWDWq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2438 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 01:48 AM 11/29/97 EST, you wrote: >A suggestion: Take a look in an encyclopedia and note the principal behind >an air plane wing. You will note how one side of the wing is larger and >creates lift by pressure differential. Also study the effects of a vortex >as in tornado, hurricane, water spout etc. and note the effect of lift and >how it is created. Then study your levitron in more detail. Keep in mind >the earth can move a compass needle. gary > > > >No lift is created by the spin of the top .The spin is a gyroscopic balance for the top.Same as spinning the top on a table when the spin dies off the top falls over on it's side. Woody From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Nov 29 20:48:39 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA20557; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 20:48:01 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 20:48:01 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.16.19971130104041.22af5f5a@pop.ihug.co.nz> X-Sender: ksmith@pop.ihug.co.nz X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 16:52:57 -1200 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Ken Smith Subject: Re: ECT. Resent-Message-ID: <"8y1Rb.0.515.__EWq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2440 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I assume this post is a 'wind-up' (sic). However I cannot resist. >It is extremely irritating to me for such an intelligent group of people to --------- bad usage >constantly use the abbreviation for the term "etcetera" in such an faulty >manner. >The abreviation is ETC. not ECT. ABBREVIATION (spelling) >I suppose that the subject matter is of the only importance and therefore --------------------- poor construction >such pedantical trivia as a mis-spelled "etc" is ignored. However I believe ---------- no such extention - use pedantic (adj.) MISSPELLED (no hyphen - spelling) >that when details are overlooked in the process of investigation, the end >result is often flawed. At the very least it is more questionable because it -- refers ? -- >has displayed carelessness in its developement, and it may lose the respect ------------- Try "it displays". DEVELOPMENT (spelling) >and attention which it really deserves. In the case of someone using a second ----- linkage >language and making errors I can be very forgiving. I usually admire those >who do so well with english as a second language and wish I could speak their ------- English - please. >original language as well as they do mine. > 3/10 Enough rubbish comes from this server, without this type of comment. I add my corrections in the hope that the end result will be same as using some bad language... From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Nov 29 20:57:23 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA21452; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 20:57:05 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 20:57:05 -0800 From: BILLHALLE@aol.com Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 23:56:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971129235627_88705384@mrin42.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: ECT. Resent-Message-ID: <"WhetA2.0.4F5.V8FWq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2441 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Come on, lighten up From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Nov 29 23:09:11 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA17094; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 23:08:52 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 23:08:52 -0800 (PST) From: MFergerson@aol.com Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 02:07:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971130020735_1154784222@mrin52.mail.aol.com> To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: ECT. Resent-Message-ID: <"lYiKP.0.xA4.24HWq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2442 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: K. Smith posted some gratuitous corrections to a complaint about the abuse of etc. (I'm waiting for the other shoe, too). Personally, I occasionally enjoy using a wrench as a hammer.....my fifth-grade shop teacher would have a 90-decibel hemorrage (Aussies, 'correct' my spelling to your preference), but so what? If I had a thousand-dollar toolbox with nine kinds of hammer, I'd use the exact tool, too. But I don't, so I use what does the job. So do I use language, so did the person who 'abused' etc. So if you want precision, use math, make a model or drawing, wave your hands, ect. ;>) whatever it takes to get the idea across to the DESIRED degree of precision. Mark From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Nov 29 23:31:05 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA09823; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 23:30:42 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 23:30:42 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.16.19971130132322.23075e82@pop.ihug.co.nz> X-Sender: ksmith@pop.ihug.co.nz X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 19:35:38 -1200 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Ken Smith Subject: Re: ECT. Resent-Message-ID: <"PKidq3.0.OP2.WOHWq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2443 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 02:07 30/11/97 -0500, you wrote: > K. Smith posted some gratuitous corrections to a complaint about the abuse >of etc. (I'm waiting for the other shoe, too). Hi again, OK, my apologies. I didn't mean to get all formal and start a war here. I was very annoyed at the attack on the misskey on ECT etc. The whole beauty of this email thing is the freewheeling nature of it. There are no rules of grammer, no rules for spelling. It really doesn't matter and no-one should be discouraged by a lack of so called English. The whole point of this list and the thousands like it is the transfer of information and ideas, hopes, dreams and ideals. For my money I could not give a damn what language or subset they come in. If I don't understand something I will ask again. Bye and By - since that is the nature of this email beast, I will get an answer and all will be well. No, I didn't mean to start a flame war and get (us) all uptight about English or its use. My reply was very tongue in cheek and I hope you people take it that way. If I have offended anyone (other than the poster of the complaint about the spelling of ECT) - you have my profound apologies. Now I have used too much bandwidth on nothing important .... Aghhhh Ken From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Nov 30 02:25:15 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA28866; Sun, 30 Nov 1997 02:24:52 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 02:24:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34813EBE.DD1AF54E@microtronics.com.au> Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 20:53:58 +1030 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com CC: List Server Freenrg Subject: Re: Smot Mk4 Kit Update References: <199711292358.PAA01588@franc.ucdavis.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"PdHfv3.0.k27.mxJWq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2444 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dan Quickert wrote: > > Greg Watson wrote: > >I am testing in batches of 3, mixing the 3 bases, magnet arrays & > >balls in a 3 x 3 x 3 matrix (27 tests per batch). > > I'm curious, why is there a need to test a mix of parts from kits? Isn't it > sufficient that each individual kit work with its particular > ramp/magnet/ball set? > > Dan Quickert HI Dan, Just looking for any large variations that should not be there. It's also a good exercise to get a solid "Gut" understanding of the dynamics of the system. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Nov 30 02:38:55 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA21465; Sun, 30 Nov 1997 02:38:27 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 02:38:27 -0800 Message-ID: <34814221.49B936AA@microtronics.com.au> Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 21:08:25 +1030 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List Server Freenrg CC: List Server Vortex Subject: Smot Mk4 Shipping Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ljseb1.0.6F5.Y8KWq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2445 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: HI All, I have finished the first matrix test. I found 2 magnet / ball combinations that would not work. I am looking into why. The reworked bases are due back on Tuesday. I plan to ship the kits in one bulk shipment and hope to achieve a arrival time variation of 24 hours or less. -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Nov 30 15:52:21 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA20112; Sun, 30 Nov 1997 15:51:49 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 15:51:49 -0800 Message-ID: <3481FC0D.B1F8E332@microtronics.com.au> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 1997 10:21:41 +1030 From: Greg Watson Organization: Greg Watson Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com CC: List Server Freenrg Subject: Re: Smot Mk4 Shipping References: <34814221.49B936AA@microtronics.com.au> <3481B344.DA7B9764@verisoft.com.tr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"EKqgS1.0.6w4.KmVWq"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2446 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hamdi Ucar wrote: > > Greg Watson wrote: > > > > HI All, > > > > I have finished the first matrix test. > > Great news! > > > > > I found 2 magnet / ball combinations that would not work. I am > > looking into why. > > I am amazed by the methods of Greg. Is there a name for the above case on engineering? Phantom defect? Experimental tolerance analysis? Experimental tolerance analysis sounds good. I just call it "Finding the Margins". > This finding may be useful for speed up testing the next batch. Instead of trying all combination of bases, balls and magnets, testing magnets against "defected balls" on one base, and testing balls against defected magnets on one base will suffice to * increase* the number of defected balls and magnets. :-) Of course the validity of this method should be tested by repeating this procedure at least on another base. > > It is a very fortunate that no phantom defected base was found. Other than polishing defects, the CNC produced bases are tightly margined. Its the magnets that seem to have the variations. Remember that they are just mass produced "Fridge Magnets". > Don't look deeply into "why". This is statistics. Anything can be occur. No great (physical) science could be build on statistics. :-) I look into the physical construction of the arrays and look for soft magnets using a Hall effect probe. Have found several really dud units with pole face flux densities only 10% of the norm. I now pre-check each small magnet in both attractive and repulsive mode (checks two points on the magnet's B/H curve) before I assemble them into the arrays. > > The reworked bases are due back on Tuesday. > > > > I plan to ship the kits in one bulk shipment and hope to achieve a > > arrival time variation of 24 hours or less. > > Dont put all your eggs in one basket. :-) I plan to release photos & videos on my site after the kits have shipped. > Regards, > > hamdi ucar -- Best Regards, Greg Watson Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Nov 30 17:30:27 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA10893; Sun, 30 Nov 1997 17:29:31 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 17:29:31 -0800 (PST) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 20:13:37 -0500 Subject: Re: Doing physics with quaternions Message-ID: <19971130.202317.6374.0.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> References: <199711271826.NAA21915@csrlink.net> <347DEE07.A47C73F7@pavilion.co.uk> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-7,9-18,20-23,25-26,30-31,36-37,42-47 From: steve-nyeoka@juno.com (Stephen L Heckman) Resent-Message-ID: <"teVmm2.0.6g2.uBXWq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2447 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Thu, 27 Nov 1997 23:02:52 +0100 Rob Dowse writes: ><....I don't think quaternions are quite as simple as that. > >Is there anyone out there who can explain quaternions and their >implications in a few K's in plain language? > >I'd really appreciate a briefing (and an out-line of the pros and cons?) >to assess how much effort to devote. Thanks. > > >--------- >Rob Dowse > > Hi Rob! Sorry it took so long to reply. There is some basic info. on the web site... http://world.std.com/~sweetser/quaternions/qindex/qindex.html I also have a copy of an article titled "The Mathematics of Nikola Tesla" if you want a copy (send your snail mail address). My understanding of the value of quaternions come from Tom Bearden's books, who claims that the original development of Maxwell's equations using quaternions made clear the "scalar Components" in EM, where as deriving them in vector notation cleans up the math too much. The problem is that modern physics is based on the vector-based equations, thus those of us who are looking at anomalies in modern electromagnetic theory will have to go back and redo the math. However, if some bright enough can, then we may end up with a solid theoretical foundation for "scalar electromagnetics". My problem is that the math is really hairy! I literally danced around the room when I got a "c" in differential equations 8 years ago! However, I do plan to gather some info (like relocating that text I mentioned... it's been 20 years since I looked at it!) because I think the end result will be worth it. Take care Steve Heckman From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Nov 30 17:30:28 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA10920; Sun, 30 Nov 1997 17:29:40 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 17:29:40 -0800 (PST) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 20:23:13 -0500 Subject: TVQ Group Message-ID: <19971130.202317.6374.1.steve-nyeoka@juno.com> References: <199711271826.NAA21915@csrlink.net> <347DEE07.A47C73F7@pavilion.co.uk> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-3,7-8,11-15 From: steve-nyeoka@juno.com (Stephen L Heckman) Resent-Message-ID: <"7R2bS3.0.Rg2.0CXWq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2448 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: The question in this e-mail was sent on 11/28/97, but it wasn't "reflected back" so I'm not sure if it was posted ok (if it was posted ok someone let me know, so I know if my other e-mails got out ok). I was curious about the TVQ group. Have a letter posted to KeelyNet dated June 6,1993 to Mr Bearden. They claim that they had developed "scalar em" technology to the point that they were about to publish a series of plans for simple projects that "anyone" could build. The only thing I have seen with TVQ on it was the "scalar electrostatic gradiometer" posted by Bob Shannon. Does anyone know of anything else by them? Thanks Steve Heckman From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Nov 30 19:01:06 1997 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA27354; Sun, 30 Nov 1997 19:00:26 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 19:00:26 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 20:06:42 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199712010306.UAA09917@smtp02.primenet.com> X-Sender: ajdubla@pop.primenet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: ajdubla@primenet.com (AJ Dubla) Subject: Recreating the VTA Resent-Message-ID: <"_mtjM3.0.Hh6.4XYWq"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2449 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hello everyone, Ok, here is what I am doing with recreating the VTA. In a paper written by Don Watson - April 10, 1994, a design similiar to Floyd Sweet's VTA is talked about. I will quote what he says about Magnetic Bubbles, "One possible mechanism that may help explain how the free energy generation occurs in this machine involves magnetic bubbles. These circular domains are polarity reversed regions that can be shifted when a magnetic field is directed at a right angle to the plane of the magnet surface. The bubble will move toward an are where it sees minimum energy. This minimum energy area is shifted by the varying right angle field and could result in a varying field as sensed by the ouput coil (Bifilar), which then generates the energy. The field at a right angle to the magnet surface is generated by the machine input coil (Regular solenoid type coil). This coil is mounted inside the output coil." These bubbles (one per magnet) are fairly easy to recreate using a magnetizer (www.space-research.com/~ajdubla/vta) and giving the magnet a few zapps will create the bubble. If you had a magnet with a face of 4"by6", the bubble would be visible with magnetic field viewing paper approx. .5 to .75" inch in from the outside edges...like a rectangle with the manget. In my page on bubbles, I made the bubbles in small round magnets. The light glowy green area on the magnet face is the bloch wall, the area where N and S meet...this is the bubble. In the same magnet before I zapped it, the bloch wall was parallel with the face of the magnet, and only viewable from the side...I modified the field by flipping it 90 degrees...now, the poles are flipped on their sides, and the bubble is visible on the face. If you bring another magnet, or electromagnet near it, (especially with the field at 90 degess) the bubble will move easily out of the way, and then return to its original position when you remove the foreign field. This is what Don Watson was talking about. Then you have to trap the sine wave inside the magnets. In one of Tom Bearden's latest email posts he says, "So you first get everything going in the nucleus. Then sharply quit doing it, at precisely the correct phase point, and open up the entire atom's Faraday cage (the electron shells) to the passage of anything you wish. Lenz's law takes over when you "stop abruptly" and applies to the entire system -- not just electron shells, but also to the nuclei. That properly done in the presence of a simultaneous strong external EM wave will give you a self-oscillating, self-pumped barium nucleus. A magnet so activated is referred to as a "kinetic magnet." You can place a small piece of soft iron shim stock so that it stands away from a pole of such a magnet, and the shim stock will vibrate gently back and forth. You can leave it there for three weeks, and it will still be vibrating. The FIELD of the magnet is now vibrating." (Tom Bearden, "Antigravity, Kinetic Magnets, and All That" 1997) I still not entirely sure how to do this, but it involves using the magnetizer again, after creating the bubbles, to "stop abruptly" (using a quick timed pulse at precisely the right "phase point" (which I don't know)) the ba atoms so the external input coil can feed the 60 hz sine wave in. Just to make things clear, I have not been able to do this part. Well there it is - hope it's meaty. Alan Dubla