From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Dec 1 04:52:02 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id EAA00317; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 04:51:49 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 04:51:49 -0800 From: mindtech@nor.com.au Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981202000502.007223e0@pophost.nor.com.au> X-Sender: mindtech@pophost.nor.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 00:05:02 +1100 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Brain coils, was Whistlers In-Reply-To: <36636F0D.667@tiac.net> References: <199811300221.SAA09439@gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"DOwUZ1.0.r4.aP-Os"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7836 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >In the Sci-Am article, Quantum Interference and the Aharov-Bohm Effect, >a free A field is produced by coating a small torriodal magnet (flux >inside the hole, along the center axis) in a superconductor. This >totally precludes the B field by superposition, freeing the A field. > How is the above different from winding a bifilar coil on a toroidal form? And ... what would be the resultant "geometry" of the A field? >Exactly what is the difference between this case and the shorted bifilar >coil described above? > (snip) >I agree, potential. I beleive that the A field does not undergo >superposition >and is not canceled. This is exactly what is so confusing.... > >If it cannot be canceled, and its a potential, why describe it as a >vector? > >Bob Shanon > Perhaps just another way of saying the A field is non-local (scalar). Peter Nielsen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Dec 1 04:52:06 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id EAA00410; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 04:52:00 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 04:52:00 -0800 From: mindtech@nor.com.au Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981202002334.0072536c@pophost.nor.com.au> X-Sender: mindtech@pophost.nor.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 00:23:34 +1100 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Whistlers In-Reply-To: <004301be1b72$0a7f7720$12ea39cc@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"3iF8c1.0.26.mP-Os"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7838 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >I would be interested in where you heard about this? I have heard Bob >Beck did some experiments with Andrija Puharich where he fed real time >schumann signals back to people and they became telepathic, but I have >never found a source for this rumor. > >Fred > Rumor? This was written up in Beck's privately distributed paper circa 1974. In it were the complete schematics for his Schumann (ELF) detector, excluding the emitter coil and driver. Subjects reported "psychedelic" type experiences. Today we have better components, ultra low noise op amps, than the SOT discrete approach he used. A simple first step is to modulate an audio carrier with real time EEG, and drive a coil in which the person being (EEG) monitored sits. IOW a feedback loop. Avoid inverting the phase. By then substituting the electrodes with a high inductance coil, and tweaking the circuit, you can move on to Earth resonances. Or monitor both and use the error signal as an entrainment mode. Peter Nielsen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Dec 1 04:52:02 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id EAA00353; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 04:51:52 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 04:51:52 -0800 From: mindtech@nor.com.au Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981202002203.00728940@pophost.nor.com.au> X-Sender: mindtech@pophost.nor.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 00:22:03 +1100 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: See notes...Re: Whistlers In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.32.19981129181419.00c1e100@cnct.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Zq12T2.0.Q5.eP-Os"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7837 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >Not well documented... one description was 300 to 1,500 Joules >from BIG cap bank into 200 turn 14 AWG coil, air core, 3" diameter. > >K > Our experience that frequency following effects can be produced with scalar potentials at far lower power ratings suggests the body contains specialized receptors for this mode of energy. Indeed, unlike conventional EM, most persons can "feel" it, like a rising and falling pressure. This may be a function of a vestigial ability to sense energies which produce tension, but do not necessarily cancel. For example, tektonic or atmospheric events related to survival. Readers interested in the quantum brain structures angle may like to check out the archives of the Q-mind list at: http://listserv.arizona.edu/lsv/www/quantum-mind.html. Could be the brain itself is tapping ZPE to create its own reality. And here is one subscriber's homepage where cold fusion and consciousness theory are merged: http://www.physics.helsinki.fi/~matpitka/newest.html Peter Nielsen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Dec 1 06:27:03 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA00957; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 06:26:58 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 06:26:58 -0800 Message-ID: <19981201142345.25952.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 06:23:45 -0800 (PST) From: Adrian Subject: Re: http://www.overunity.com/newman2/ updated ! To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"1eNCw2.0.rE.no_Os"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7839 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com I saw a documentry on you on TLC called conspiracy threoeies. I would suggest to you.......since you made your early experiment out of car paerrts.......to put it in a car. === Adrian improvization@rocketmail.com ---Evan Soule wrote: > > Stefan Hartmann posted on his website 11/30/98: > > CIRCUIT DIAGRAM > snip--- > This circuit was tested to see, if one could get a higher DC voltage at the > storage capacitor C2 as the powersupply voltage, which was about 620 Volts. > When the spark gap was closed and fast opened again manually, then one > could get a DC voltage of about 750 Volts at the external storage capacitor > C2. Only when the fast cutoff spark appeared ! This happened when the > negative back current pulse occured and thus the voltage at the Newman coil > was going higher than the power supply voltage, so that Diode D3 was > conducting and charging C2. Running the spark gap in hissing sound mode > contineously produced a sawtooth voltage waveform at C2 and the 220 Volts > 25 Watts incandescent bulb is glowing dimmly up. > > CIRCUIT DIAGRAM > snip--- > This new circuit was used to test the energy of the back current spike. > When rapidly switching (closing and opening) the spark gap manually, one > could get about minus 2000 Volts DC at C2. Every time a back current spike > appeared, the voltage was going more negative at C2 until about 2000 Volts > were reached. Then there was no way to get it higher. Somehow the cap C2 > discharged sometimes during an open-close cycle and thus the voltage > dropped again. > > I still have to grab and upload the scope pics from the DV camcorder. > > So much I can already say : > > The negative back current spikes, still occurs, when the scope probes are > reversed at the shunt, when using a floating ground scope instead of a > grounded scope. > > Unfortunately it diasappears from the scope , when I switch the scope input > Channel A from the 500 mV/div. setting to one setting higher at 1 > Volts/div. Then internally inside the scope I also hear a click, so that > this setting is internally switched via a relay switch to some other > amplifier components setting. I still wonder, if this disappearing of the > current spike is a scope artifact, cause the back current spike seems to be > really there, which is verified via these 2 external storage capacitor > experiments. BTW, channel B on the scope had a 1000:1 probe head with 1001 > MegaOhm input resistance. Channel A had a 10:1 probe unit with 11 MegaOhm > input resistance. Both probe heads were compensated via their capacitance > trimmer caps inside the heads via the square wave of the scope. So this > should have minimized measurement errors. BTW, reversing Diode D3 produced > about plus 4000 Volts DC at C2, when switching the spark gap manually. > > ___________________________ > > Stefan -- > > Thanks for the update on your experiments! > > I spoke with Joseph Newman about your report. He says that you are on the > right track. He added that "the scope should be *TOTALLY* isolated from > ground." He recommends you go back and again read carefully the scope > manual with respect to scope settings and grounding. What is happening is > that when the negative back current spikes exceed the op/amp, it will go to > ground. In other words, he stated that "it does not go to ground BEFORE it > goes to op/amp"; look at the cross-hair showing the ground (measure > tolerances) --- "before op/amp is is NOT grounded." At one time this was a > common misunderstanding among several people who did not understand the > specific points addressing this issue as described in the scope manual. > Until they did, they were consistently sending the negative back current > spikes to ground by virtue of not understanding the scope's proper > operation in this regard! The behavior of the capicator underscores the > very real nature of the negative back spike. > > Best regards, > > Evan > > ___________________________ > > And, as Dr. Hastings wrote about the operation of the Newman > Motor/Generator relative to r.f.: > > "The torque applied to the magnet in the Newman Motors is proportional to > the product of the strength of the magnet, the number of turns of copper > wire, and the current flowing through the wire. In Newman's machines > extremely large torques can be developed with very small current inputs. > If we scale up Newman's motor, it is theoretically possible to obtain > infinite torques with infinitesimal current flow (and not violate any laws > of physics). However, according to conventional thought, as soon as the > magnet begins to rotate, doing work against some load applied to its shaft, > the back emf (electromotive force) produced by the rotating magnet would > produce a back current which nearly cancels the input current, and the > torque would be reduce to nearly zero. The magnet could not rotate, or > would rotate extremely slowly with the shaft power output less than the > battery input. > > "Consider what has happened to conventional thought in the past when people > have experimented with the limits of very high speeds (relativity), very > small dimensions (quantum mechanics), very low temperatures > (superconductivity and superfluidity). Newman's motors probe the limits of > very large torque with very small current input. And they do rotate at > relatively high rates. For example, witness Newman's prototype which runs > on 0.0008 amps at 3,000 volts and turns a 16-inch fan blade at more than > 500 rpms. How much torque can this motor produce. Try to stop the motor > by holding the two inch diameter shaft. This will not be possible for a > normal human. > > "Newman's motors are unconventional in other ways. One notices the > fluorescent tubes which are placed across the motor coil. These tubes are > lit by the coil's collapsing magnetic field occurring when the battery > voltage is switched. They are used to protect the mechanical switching > from damage due to arcing. The additional power produced in these tubes > (and flowing through the system) occurs at very high frequencies, primarily > in the range of ten to twenty million cycles per second. This r.f. current > has been accurately measured, and exceeds the battery input current by a > factor of five to ten in the various motors which have been constructed. > One of Newman's motors was monitored with a computerized high speed data > sampling system, with the following results: > > (1) The r.f. appears in bursts, with the repeat time between each burst > approximately equal to the length of the motor winding divided by the speed > of light in copper. The r.f. bursts showed little attenuation during their > travel through the coil, maintaining their shape and amplitude. > > (2) The r.f. current and voltage were in phase, representing the real power. > > (3) The r.f. current and voltage waveforms were offset from ground, > indicating a net d.c. component. > > (4) The net r.f. power at the battery pack represented a negative power > which exceeded the d.c. input power from the batteries. > > "The last statement may explain why Newman has been able to demonstrate the > charging of dry cell batteries placed in his system. Battery failure has > occurred through internal shorts which develop within the batteries rather > than by depletion of the energy stored within the batteries. Bear in mind > that the batteries will last many times longer than expected for a drain of > 0.0008 amps. > > "Newman should be immediately awarded a patent and become recognized in the > scientific community for his accomplishments." > > --- Dr. Roger Hastings, Ph.D. > > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Dec 1 06:29:49 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA02083; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 06:29:48 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 06:29:48 -0800 Message-ID: <19981201141539.19926.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 06:15:39 -0800 (PST) From: Adrian Subject: Re: See notes...Re: Whistlers To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"MGkcE1.0.SW.Rr_Os"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7840 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com a french anestheisologist identified c shaped proteins that respond to scalar energy.....and is responsible for the so-called consciousness found in paramecium.....it is found in every cell. a scalar photonic computer of sorts === Adrian improvization@rocketmail.com --- wrote: Error quoting message 8676_2271035_5108_1173_1017_0 in folder Inbox fetchMsg: old message id? _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Dec 1 06:33:33 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA04203; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 06:33:28 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 06:33:28 -0800 Message-ID: <19981201142804.19432.rocketmail@attach1.rocketmail.com> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 06:28:04 -0800 (PST) From: Adrian Subject: Re: Brain coils, was Whistlers To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"CLpjj2.0.U11.tu_Os"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7841 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com SES theory by Dr. Briach also predicts this effect beteween 2 wires === Adrian improvization@rocketmail.com ---Bob Shannon wrote: > > dave dameron wrote: > > > > Hi Keith and all, > > At 08:44 PM 11/29/98 -0500, you wrote: > > > I've not a clue as to why magnetic stimulation > > >of quartz would do anything... and only dimly could I speculate > > >on a non-inductive coil. Why would the vector potential affect > > >the brain? > > > > > >K. > > > > > The non-inductive coils I am familiar with have 2 wires in close proximity > > to each other with opposite directions, so both the B field and the vector > > potential, "A" field are cancelled. Are you familiar with other kinds? > > Could there be a scalar effect? > > Would this be a two wire, bifilar coil, with one end shorted? > > If so, that geometery is a known 'scalar' emitter. > > > No idea about the vector potential effects on the brain? Has anyone done > > brain experiments with coils with "A" fields but small B fields? The first > > example that comes to mind would be to put one's head in the central hole of > > a toroid coil. > > I'm confused about your statement that a non inductive coil has its A > field > canceled. What "A" field, its not inductive, so there is no 'field' at > all, right? > > Gelenas's patents describe a conventional toroid as an "A" field > emitter, but > the B field is in full force, inside the core, so there is no > superposition, long > thought to be critical for scalar production. > > In the Sci-Am article, Quantum Interference and the Aharov-Bohm Effect, > a free A field is produced by coating a small torriodal magnet (flux > inside the hole, along the center axis) in a superconductor. This > totally precludes the B field by superposition, freeing the A field. > > Exactly what is the difference between this case and the shorted bifilar > coil described above? > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Dec 1 06:49:39 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA11779; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 06:49:37 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 06:49:37 -0800 Message-ID: <19981201141529.19881.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 06:15:29 -0800 (PST) From: Adrian Subject: Re: See notes...Re: Whistlers To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"nw3X_3.0.ot2.080Ps"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7842 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com a french anestheisologist identified c shaped proteins that respond to scalar energy.....and is responsible for the so-called consciousness found in paramecium.....it is found in every cell. a scalar photonic computer of sorts === Adrian improvization@rocketmail.com --- wrote: Error quoting message 8676_2271035_5108_1173_1017_0 in folder Inbox fetchMsg: old message id? _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Dec 1 06:57:36 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA14838; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 06:57:30 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 06:57:30 -0800 Message-ID: <36642AF1.5D0D@tiac.net> Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 09:44:17 -0800 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Brain coils, was Whistlers References: <199811300221.SAA09439@gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <3.0.1.32.19981202000502.007223e0@pophost.nor.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"5v4J-2.0.fd3.PF0Ps"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7843 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com mindtech@nor.com.au wrote: > > >In the Sci-Am article, Quantum Interference and the Aharov-Bohm Effect, > >a free A field is produced by coating a small torriodal magnet (flux > >inside the hole, along the center axis) in a superconductor. This > >totally precludes the B field by superposition, freeing the A field. > > > > How is the above different from winding a bifilar coil on a toroidal form? Objectivly, bifilar torroids have different coupling efficiencies than the linear bifilar wound geometery. But it seems all non-inductive winding geometeries have differing coupling efficiencies for a given detector design. I know of no rhyme or reason, I see no clear pattern to why some geometeries simple appear to produce more reliable signal detection with some types of detectors than others. I know of no testable theory that might shed light on this question. But from the testing I've done, a linear bifilar coil works best. Coils of twisted pair also work well. > And ... what would be the resultant "geometry" of the A field? I beleive we have discussed this privately at some lenght. This question is hard to resolve, as scalar theory is still 'outside' of conventional EM, so there is no clear terminology, etc. > >I agree, potential. I beleive that the A field does not undergo > >superposition > >and is not canceled. This is exactly what is so confusing.... > > > >If it cannot be canceled, and its a potential, why describe it as a > >vector? > > > >Bob Shanon > > > > Perhaps just another way of saying the A field is non-local (scalar). Maybe. Again, Peter and I have had some long running off list discussions on these subjects. I agree with what Peter is postulating here, that in reality, the free A field is in fact the result of a scalar potential. I'll probably be beaten sensless with mathimatical arguments for such a view, but I ask that we keep this discussion highly experimental in nature. I only came to suspect such herasy might be true after seeing these effects emperically. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Dec 1 07:05:52 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id HAA19675; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 07:05:47 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 07:05:47 -0800 Message-ID: <36642CCF.3C77@tiac.net> Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 09:52:15 -0800 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: See notes...Re: Whistlers References: <3.0.32.19981129181419.00c1e100@cnct.com> <3.0.1.32.19981202002203.00728940@pophost.nor.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"nSXrm.0.5p4.AN0Ps"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7844 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com mindtech@nor.com.au wrote: > > >Not well documented... one description was 300 to 1,500 Joules > >from BIG cap bank into 200 turn 14 AWG coil, air core, 3" diameter. Yikes! Yeah, the subjects duck and cover when the coil is pulsed! > Our experience that frequency following effects can be produced with scalar > potentials at far lower power ratings suggests the body contains > specialized receptors for this mode of energy. Agreed, VASTLY lower power... > Indeed, unlike conventional EM, most persons can "feel" it, like a rising > and falling pressure. This may be a function of a vestigial ability to > sense energies which produce tension, but do not necessarily cancel. For > example, tektonic or atmospheric events related to survival. Probably true, I know of first-hand reports of this, but if I cannot measure the effect, the effect might as well not be there. Hard data only, please. > Readers interested in the quantum brain structures angle may like to check > out the archives of the Q-mind list at: > > http://listserv.arizona.edu/lsv/www/quantum-mind.html. Yep, check that stuff out. Too hot eh? > Could be the brain itself is tapping ZPE to create its own reality. Again, Peter and I have 'been there, done that' in off-list discussions. 'Could the sum of all minds be tapping the ZPE to create all realities?' is my personal take on this question. Is the QM observer effect really limited to the micrcoscopic level? If the Aharnov-Bohm effect is a macroscopic quantum field, then the 'microscopic rule' for the observer effect are not so clear. > And here is one subscriber's homepage where cold fusion and consciousness > theory are merged: > > http://www.physics.helsinki.fi/~matpitka/newest.html Now thats a new one! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Dec 1 07:50:59 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id HAA31355; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 07:50:30 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 07:50:30 -0800 Message-ID: <00b401be1d42$3964b1a0$52fd07d0@r.davis> Reply-To: "R. A. Davis" From: "R. A. Davis" To: Subject: Re: Caduceus coils Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 10:49:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"R8xqv2.0.af7.411Ps"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7845 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com I think the term "Caduceus coil" should refer to the two-wire version, counterwound, with 4 leads. This is what the mythological Caduceus looks like, except it uses snakes instead of wires. Otherwise we are describing a coil wound like the Caduceus as a Smith coil, and a coil that doesn't look like a Caduceus as a Caduceus coil. Thus, if I'm following correctly, a Caduceus coil=a Smith coil. We would then have two names for one configuration and no name for another type--where a single wire is counterwound back on itself. This could be given another name--Caduceus choke, closed-end Caduceus, series Caduceus, do-nothing Caduceus...or a more suitable name based on its unique properties, if it has any. Note also there is more than one way to plug the 4-lead version into a circuit. Clearly, one reason there's so much disagreement about "Caduceus coil effects" is this confusion about how the thing is configured: Somebody reports running 100khz into a "Caduceus coil" and having their house levitate...somebody else tries to duplicate this effect using a different configuration for a "Caduceus coil" and gets no results. Important science is lost or discredited by a purely semantic error. It also seems that alot of opinions expressed here about the coil are based on hearsay, and not on personal experimentation. > > > > > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Dec 1 08:17:15 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id IAA06858; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 08:17:12 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 08:17:12 -0800 From: JNaudin509@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 11:07:25 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Cc: harti@harti.com, josephnewman@earthlink.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Tracking the Back Current source in my Newman's Machine Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.i for Windows 95 sub 127 Resent-Message-ID: <"-2NX7.0.3h1.8Q1Ps"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7846 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi All, Today, I have reconducted (again) a new series of tests on my Newman's Machine... The main purpose of these series of tests is to find if the negative spikes of current ( the back current ) previously measured by some experimenters and myself are real or only scope artefacts... For the measurements, I have used a Tektronix oscilloscope THS720P, this is an independently floating and isolated channels scope and it has full floating measurement capability. The power supply of my Newman's Machine v2.0 was completly isolated from the ground by an insulation transformer, so nothing in the test circuit was grounded. I have also added two HF Choke coils directly connected at the input of my Newman's machine for blocking the RF spikes and avoiding some EMI ( Electro-Magnetic Interferences in the power supply ). So, I have conducted TWO differents setups : 1) The TEST type A : - The current was measured accross a 10 ohms ceramic resistor with the scope ground connected to the negative output of the power supply. 2) The TEST type B : - The current was measured accross a 10 ohms ceramic resistor with the scope ground connected to the input the Newman's Machine. The voltage was 612 Volts DC and stable. These measurements has been done at 10mA/div, 20mA/div, 50mA/div. All information and detailled results can be found at : http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/jlnaudin/html/NMac1201.htm Best Regards, Jean-Louis Naudin Email: JNaudin509@aol.com Main Web site: http://members.aol.com/jnaudin509/index.htm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Dec 1 08:54:47 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id IAA23340; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 08:54:37 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 08:54:37 -0800 Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 08:54:27 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199812011654.IAA13921@goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: dave dameron Subject: Re: Brain coils, was Whistlers Resent-Message-ID: <"KZJrh3.0.ai5.Dz1Ps"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7847 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hello Bob and Kyle and all, At 08:22 PM 11/30/98 -0800, you wrote: >> The non-inductive coils I am familiar with have 2 wires in close proximity >> to each other with opposite directions, so both the B field and the vector >> potential, "A" field are cancelled. Are you familiar with other kinds? >> Could there be a scalar effect? > >Would this be a two wire, bifilar coil, with one end shorted? Yes, to make things clear, 2 wires side by side wound together at the same pitch with currents in opposite directions. This current arrangement can be achieved by connecting both wire "ends" together and feeding the current to/from the "starts" of the windings. The bifilar coil could be a solenoid or a toroid, for example. > >If so, that geometery is a known 'scalar' emitter. Yes, but I don't know its effect on the brain... > >> No idea about the vector potential effects on the brain? Has anyone done >> brain experiments with coils with "A" fields but small B fields? The first >> example that comes to mind would be to put one's head in the central hole of >> a toroid coil. > >I'm confused about your statement that a non inductive coil has its A >field >canceled. What "A" field, its not inductive, so there is no 'field' at >all, right? AFAIK, the "A" field can be written as a normal vector with currents as the source, the same way as the "B" field. It has the properties of any vector field, for example cancellation by superposition. Because of the vector relation, B = curl(A), one can have a A field without a B field in some space, but not a B with zero A. (Actually, more accurate, zero gradients of the A field). In older non QM EM books, the A is used just as a mathematical step to calculate B. Even in a "non inductive" solenoid with real wires (vs. sheet currents), there is still some remaining B and A fields (incomplete vector cancellation) in distances comparable to the wire diameters, that is in some locations in the wires, on the wire surfaces, and very near the wires. This is opposed to macro distances for the coil turns as a whole. > >Gelenas's patents describe a conventional toroid as an "A" field >emitter, but >the B field is in full force, inside the core, so there is no >superposition, long >thought to be critical for scalar production. > >In the Sci-Am article, Quantum Interference and the Aharov-Bohm Effect, >a free A field is produced by coating a small torriodal magnet (flux >inside the hole, along the center axis) in a superconductor. This >totally precludes the B field by superposition, freeing the A field. In the Scientific American article, it isn't completely clear to me what the Niobium superconducting layer does. To quote from page 59: "a homogeneous magnetic material in the shape of a toroid has a circular magnetic field that is completely contained inside the material of the toroid. Since all magnetic materials have some perfections, however, a real toroidal magnet will always have some small unconfined magnetic field. This so-called leakage field can be confined by coating the magnet with a superconducting material." A superconductor will not shield or cancel a DC magnetic field, only "freeze" it. It will shield an _AC_ field by induced currents in it. So are they saying they are shielding the DC leakage field?? Or later in the article, limiting the B field to the critical value, and thus also the A field. That is, the A field is _reduced_ when the layer is cooled to its superconducting temperature, causing the electron phase shift. > >Exactly what is the difference between this case and the shorted bifilar >coil described above? In the A-B test the fields are "frozen" while in the opposing bifilar coil there are really 2 opposing coils, offset in space by 1/2 the winding pitch. I am ignoring the more complicated case where the 2 bifilar wires are twisted together as well. > -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Dec 1 09:35:51 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA09968; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:35:47 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:35:47 -0800 Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:35:44 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199812011735.JAA00379@gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: dave dameron Subject: Re: http://www.overunity.com/newman2/ updated ! Resent-Message-ID: <"H6jpI.0.VR2.pZ2Ps"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7848 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Evan and all, At 01:29 AM 12/1/98 -0600, you wrote: >(4) The net r.f. power at the battery pack represented a negative power >which exceeded the d.c. input power from the batteries. > >"The last statement may explain why Newman has been able to demonstrate the >charging of dry cell batteries placed in his system. Battery failure has >occurred through internal shorts which develop within the batteries rather >than by depletion of the energy stored within the batteries. Bear in mind >that the batteries will last many times longer than expected for a drain of >0.0008 amps. > Did Newman ever get his system to run off an initially charged capacitor? Thanks, -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Dec 1 10:42:44 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA13242; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 10:42:30 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 10:42:30 -0800 From: UNIR2B1@aol.com Message-ID: <4e64f053.3664377d@aol.com> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 13:37:49 EST To: PetMagic@aol.com Cc: nichols@cybertyme.com, Terri Schoolden , lkvp@mail.awod.com, Vince Goetsch <3wishes@wishgranted.com>, richarda@icx.net, lizardhaven@zippnet.net, BB1050@aol.com, biotron@pacbell.net, trknute@earthlink.net, vortex-l@eskimo.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: A simple exerimental suggestion, since you have an O2 tank... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5 for Windows Resent-Message-ID: <"FuiFr1.0.pE3.MY3Ps"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7849 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi, Peter-- When oxygen passes through concentrated UV or a high-voltage corona, it is fused into ozones. Let's say, then, that these are are two examples of high- energy fields, of which there might be other types that would accomplish the same result. Ozone is particularly useful when infused into water; therefore, it would be beneficial to find a high-energy state intrinsic to water wherein the transmutation from oxygen to ozone would occur. PHASE 1 Dr. Flannigan said that there is a quasi-electrical force in a water vortex that can be produced "in no other way"; perhaps it would qualify as such a high-energy field. It would be simple to infuse oxygen (my friend David Nichols points out that the diffuser stone would be unnecessary) into water that's being agitated in a blender, and see if you smell ozone. If so, we're on the right track. PHASE 2 ...If not, the possibiltiy would remain that the combination of *two* forces--vortical and electric--would produce the requisite energy field. Since success of the first phase would still leave us in need of a free oxygen source, and since hydrolysis is that source, it seems inevitable that the two steps would be combined in one experiment: performing hydrolysis in a vortex--which might produce ozonated water in one step (and/or yield other interesting side-effects) I.e., hydrolysis + stirring, if efficacious, would be a more efficient path to ozonated water than hydrolysis + membrane separation --> O2 + high voltage + infusation. Permanent magnets could be affixed to the container as well, to further compliment the rationale of simultaneously combining multiple forces known to affect water structure. If stirred/magnetized water proved to be substitute for UV or high-voltage in ozone production, the gas could be harvested as it left the water--especially *hot* water--via the same membrane used to separate H from O (for immediate use). --Russ From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Dec 1 12:10:46 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA25086; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 12:10:36 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 12:10:36 -0800 Message-Id: <199812011959.LAA29521@mail-gw.pacbell.net> X-Sender: flapwing@postoffice.pacbell.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 11:59:28 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Flapwing Subject: Mu metal available In-Reply-To: <199812011654.IAA13921@goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"yGS-U3.0.t76.xq4Ps"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7850 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hello everyone, I'm new on the list and enjoying the banter. I have the opportunity to obtain a large quantity of Mu metal. The dimensions are 0.2mm by 200mm by approx. 30meters. It is not annealed. I can't use all of it myself so I thought I would ask if there is any interest here for portions of this material. What would be a reasonable price for this item and can it be annealed at home without having to send it out to be professionally annealed? thanks, Frank From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Dec 1 12:38:02 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA10308; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 12:37:56 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 12:37:56 -0800 X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199812011654.IAA13921@goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 10:31:22 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: Brain coils, was Whistlers Resent-Message-ID: <"q8gJV1.0.zW2.aE5Ps"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7851 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Dave - > A superconductor will not shield or cancel a DC magnetic field, only > freeze" it. The basic definition of the Meissner effect as I understand it is the total expulsion of magnetic fields from within a superconductor. This means "DC" fields too. A coating of superconductor over a toroidal magnet with small leakage from its interior due to imperfections should be perfectly bottled up by a coating of a superconductive layer. As the Tc of the coating is reached, those fields are expelled *inwards* back into the conventional magnet. Outside, there should be absolutely zero leakage beyond the superconducting layer. Unless the field is too strong (and Niobium does have a weak critical field strength compared to some of the new high Tc materials), superconductors are perfect magnetic insulators. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Dec 1 13:12:33 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA26965; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 13:12:28 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 13:12:28 -0800 Message-ID: <000b01be1d6f$4cf73f80$53fd07d0@r.davis> Reply-To: "R. A. Davis" From: "R. A. Davis" To: "Free Energy" Subject: Re: Caduceus Coil Redoux Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 16:12:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01BE1D45.631DD140" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"cHSfp.0.9b6.xk5Ps"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7852 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BE1D45.631DD140 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Clarifying my earlier letter, didn't mean to put down those who comment = on the coil & its reputed properties without having experimented with = same. What I was trying to say was, wish there was a convention whereby = letter writers who have done work with the coil could mention that, and = those who haven't would say so. Nothing wrong with theorizing, as long as it's labeled as such. I haven't done any experimental work with anything that looks like a = Cad. coil, but I plan to. My initial remarks on the topic were meant to = be seminal and to generate feedback from serious C-coil experimenters. = So far, so good, on both counts. The definitiions/labels need to be agreed upon if any meaningful dialog = is to occur. My suggestion that the Caduceus label be applied to the = two-winding, 4-output config. will I think eliminate present and future = confusion. Apropos of mythic symbology, I recently visited a New Age website-- with = spiritually impecable credentials--where I learned that the serpents = used in the Caduceus image were a last-minute fill-in. The original = design called for lizards, but they kept disappearing from the sketch. = This was later confirmed by saucer-beings, but the person who originally = reported all this disappeared after a visit from three men in black = suits, wearing sunglasses. R. A. Davis "Always the more beautiful question, who asks the more beautiful = answer." = e. e. cummings ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BE1D45.631DD140 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Clarifying my earlier letter, didn't = mean to put=20 down those who comment on the coil & its reputed properties without = having=20 experimented with same.  What I was trying to say was, wish there = was a=20 convention whereby letter writers who have done work with the coil could = mention=20 that, and those who haven't would say so.
Nothing wrong with theorizing, as = long as it's=20 labeled as such.
I haven't done any experimental work = with=20 anything that looks like a Cad. coil, but I plan to.  My initial = remarks on=20 the topic were meant to be seminal and to generate feedback from serious = C-coil=20 experimenters.  So far, so good, on both counts.
The = definitiions/labels need=20 to be agreed upon if any meaningful dialog is to occur.  My = suggestion that=20 the Caduceus label be applied to the two-winding, 4-output config. will = I think=20 eliminate present and future confusion.
Apropos of mythic symbology, I recently visited a = New Age=20 website-- with spiritually impecable credentials--where I learned that = the=20 serpents used in the Caduceus image were a last-minute fill-in.  = The=20 original design called for lizards, but they kept disappearing from the=20 sketch.  This was later confirmed by saucer-beings, but the person = who=20 originally reported all this disappeared after a visit from three men in = black=20 suits, wearing sunglasses.
R. A. Davis
 
 
"Always the more beautiful question, who asks = the more=20 beautiful answer."
          &nbs= p;            = ;            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;          =20 e. e. cummings
 
------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BE1D45.631DD140-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Dec 1 14:40:14 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA22449; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 14:37:00 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 14:37:00 -0800 (PST) From: mindtech@nor.com.au Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981202100248.0071898c@pophost.nor.com.au> X-Sender: mindtech@pophost.nor.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 10:02:48 +1100 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Brain coils, was Whistlers In-Reply-To: <36642AF1.5D0D@tiac.net> References: <199811300221.SAA09439@gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <3.0.1.32.19981202000502.007223e0@pophost.nor.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"6uMjn1.0.cU5.vz6Ps"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7854 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >Objectivly, bifilar torroids have different coupling efficiencies than >the >linear bifilar wound geometery. But it seems all non-inductive winding >geometeries have differing coupling efficiencies for a given detector >design. > Differing "coupling efficiencies"? If we assume a true scalar is emitted, that raises some interesting questions. How can the coupling vary with emitter _geometry_ if there is no directional component emitted? Considering the postulated non-locality of scalars, the efficiency any detector should logically only be a function of the frequency and intensity of the scalar wave. If other forces, integral to production of scalars, moderate transmission qualitatively, perhaps we should upgrade our model for practical value. >> And ... what would be the resultant "geometry" of the A field? > >I believe we have discussed this privately at some length. > >Bob Shannon > Yes, and since you are always so tolerant, I just can't give up now :-) Peter Nielsen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Dec 1 14:40:16 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA22434; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 14:36:59 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 14:36:59 -0800 (PST) From: mindtech@nor.com.au Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981202100355.00717828@pophost.nor.com.au> X-Sender: mindtech@pophost.nor.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 10:03:55 +1100 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: See notes...Re: Whistlers In-Reply-To: <36642CCF.3C77@tiac.net> References: <3.0.32.19981129181419.00c1e100@cnct.com> <3.0.1.32.19981202002203.00728940@pophost.nor.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"zn-Sj.0.JU5.sz6Ps"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7853 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >Yikes! Yeah, the subjects duck and cover when the coil is pulsed! > How about the one where they detonate high velocity explosive around a non-inductive coil to compress the field? Eliminates all uncertainty and nagging thoughts about scalars. >> Indeed, unlike conventional EM, most persons can "feel" it, like a rising >> and falling pressure. This may be a function of a vestigial ability to >> sense energies which produce tension, but do not necessarily cancel. For >> example, tektonic or atmospheric events related to survival. > >Probably true, I know of first-hand reports of this, but if I cannot >measure >the effect, the effect might as well not be there. Hard data only, >please. > You mean like testimonials? The body is the ultimate sensor. If we only use simple bifilar coils, true, the result will not be apparent to everyone. But there are hybrid configurations capable of more intensive vector cancellation, and you cannot ignore them. Regarding latent survival instincts and pressure waves, migration of birds and animals has been reported prior to major earthquakes. One instance I hardly recall was in China. >> http://listserv.arizona.edu/lsv/www/quantum-mind.html. > >Yep, check that stuff out. Too hot eh? > >Bob Shannon > You mean like fighting fire with fire. Peter Nielsen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Dec 1 14:40:23 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA22533; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 14:37:43 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 14:37:43 -0800 (PST) From: mindtech@nor.com.au Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981202100746.007170c4@pophost.nor.com.au> X-Sender: mindtech@pophost.nor.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 10:07:46 +1100 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: A simple exerimental suggestion, since you have an O2 tank... In-Reply-To: <4e64f053.3664377d@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"nSAGz1.0.yV5.F-6Ps"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7855 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >PHASE 2 ...If not, the possibilty would remain that the combination of >*two* forces--vortical and electric--would produce the requisite energy field. > >Russ > I believe is exactly what the "Joe cell", as described in a recent issue of Nexus magazine, does. Or, more particularly, the charging unit. Peter Nielsen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Dec 1 14:43:48 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA16587; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 14:43:41 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 14:43:41 -0800 Message-ID: <366487E0.898A45B3@sunherald.infi.net> Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 16:20:48 -0800 From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Mu metal available References: <199812011959.LAA29521@mail-gw.pacbell.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"CrqJV3.0.434.S47Ps"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7856 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Flapwing wrote: > I can't use all of it myself so I thought I would ask if there is any > interest here for portions of this material. What would be a reasonable > price for this item and can it be annealed at home without having to send > it out to be professionally annealed? I'd buy some of it from you if I knew the price...unfortunately I don't. When you find out, let me know, and I'll see about buying some. Kyle R. Mcallister From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Dec 1 17:08:00 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA08620; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 17:07:46 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 17:07:46 -0800 Message-Id: <199812020021.QAA06272@mail-gw3.pacbell.net> X-Sender: flapwing@postoffice.pacbell.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 16:21:38 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Flapwing Subject: Re: Mu metal available In-Reply-To: <366487E0.898A45B3@sunherald.infi.net> References: <199812011959.LAA29521@mail-gw.pacbell.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"E-uEY1.0.a62.XB9Ps"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7857 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Currently I'm trying to determine a fair price to offer the seller for the whole quantity, keeping in mind that the stuff may have to be annealed and that may drive the total cost up. What kind of results could I expect without annealing? Would multiple layers make up for it? I've heard this stuff is very expensive so being able to buy a roll of 30 meters worth for a few hundred dollars may be a good deal. I could then chop off various lengths for other interested folks and sell it at cost + shipping. Something like that. Frank At 04:20 PM 12/1/98 , you wrote: >Flapwing wrote: > >> I can't use all of it myself so I thought I would ask if there is any >> interest here for portions of this material. What would be a reasonable >> price for this item and can it be annealed at home without having to send >> it out to be professionally annealed? > >I'd buy some of it from you if I knew the price...unfortunately I don't. >When you find out, let me know, and I'll see about buying some. > >Kyle R. Mcallister > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Dec 1 17:33:04 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA17976; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 17:32:59 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 17:32:59 -0800 Message-ID: <36649BFA.117FE326@harti.com> Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 02:46:34 +0100 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: leoguitar@vossnet.de Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: leoguitar@vossnet.de CC: Tim Vaughan , Motoe Suzuki , Jean Louis Naudin , Bob Shannon , dave dameron , Dieter Bauer , freenrg-l , Newman-L Mailing List , Evan Soule , "Sergey M.Godin" , Dave Wenbert , Institute for Basic Research Subject: Re: AquaFuel produced for the first time... References: <199811250307.AA00000@motoe.popsvr.tokai.jaeri.go.jp> <365BE46F.FE1B86EC@harti.com> <365EF761.778F8F9E@harti.com> <365F005E.CB487A91@harti.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"oNa8Q3.0.iO4.AZ9Ps"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7858 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi All, my AquaFuel(tm) MPEG movies are now online at: http://www.overunity.com/movies/afuel1.mpg http://www.overunity.com/movies/afuel2.mpg Regards, Stefan. > 2. I have produced AquaFuel today with a different method and it is > really > nice to see it work ! > > I used just a normal power source unit and put it onto about 50 Volts > DC and connected to it 2 wires with graphite electrodes at the end. > Then I put these 2 electrodes in a small transparent plastic box under > tap water > and shorted them ! > As soon as I pulled apart the electrodes, there was a big arc inside the > water and > big gas bubble did build up when the arc lightens up. > > I could only get some kind of arc oscillation, cause my DC power source > did > limit the current to about 1 Ampere during shorting. > > When the lightning arc aoppeared, there was always some "bang" noise > and > it seems Hydrogen and Oxygen gas mixture is "exploding" under water and > a bright lightning appears. > Also the water gets pretty fast hot, so there is a lot of energy > delivered by this process ! Also the bubble gas building > is some kind of Methan (Hydrogen-Carbon product) which can be burned > and these gas bubles are a lot more than the normal Hydrogen and Oxygen > gas production, which occurs, when the electrodes are still away from > each other. > > AquaFuel seems to be a nice way to generate hot water and burnable gas > and also have a light source. The only disadvantage is: > You burn pretty quickly your carbon electrodes and the water solution > becomes a thick "water-carbon-slime"...! Maybe I still had the wrong > electrodes > material....But anyway, it is an interesting experiment to watch and > feel the arc lighting under water and generate all this huge ammount > of burnable gas ! :) > > Regards, Stefan. > > -- > Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann > Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany > Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 > email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com > http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Dec 1 17:44:19 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA20819; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 17:44:10 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 17:44:10 -0800 Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 17:43:50 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199812020143.RAA21737@avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: dave dameron Subject: Re: Brain coils and A-B effect Resent-Message-ID: <"B0n6y3.0.955.ej9Ps"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7859 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Rick and all, At 10:31 AM 12/1/98 -1000, you wrote: >The basic definition of the Meissner effect as I understand it is the total >expulsion of magnetic fields from within a superconductor. This means "DC" >fields too. A coating of superconductor over a toroidal magnet with small >leakage from its interior due to imperfections should be perfectly bottled >up by a coating of a superconductive layer. As the Tc of the coating is >reached, those fields are expelled *inwards* back into the conventional >magnet. Outside, there should be absolutely zero leakage beyond the >superconducting layer. Unless the field is too strong (and Niobium does >have a weak critical field strength compared to some of the new high Tc >materials), superconductors are perfect magnetic insulators. > >- Rick Monteverde >Honolulu, HI > Thanks, I am no superconductor expert. Can you help me with my basic logic where I thought the magnetic fields were "frozen":-). One has J(current density) = conductivity*E As the conductivity goes to infinity, the E field inside a material (superconductor) must vanish. Otherwise, the current density -> infinity. If the E field everywhere inside a superconductor = 0, then curl(E) also = 0, which is -dB/dt. Thus, when a material is cooled to be superconducting, dB/dt =0 and the B field is thus frozen at its value when the material became superconducting. After it is frozen, of course, no (external) fields change it. Maybe we are saying the same thing?? Does the permeability of a superconductor also change? The Scientific American article on the A-B effect says on page 59: "When the niobium was cooled well below 9.1 degrees K and became superconducting, the magnetic field was confined to a specific strength by the laws of superconductivity, and so the vector potential in the hole could attain only a specific strength. As a result the vector potential changed the phase of the electrons travelling through the toroid relative to those travelling outside." So the vector potential, "A" was limited as well, not just the B field. I assume the "confining" means the critical field strength, and thus the fields, B and A, are referring to those inside the superconductor, though the resultant A field in the toroid hole is what caused the phase shift? -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Dec 1 17:53:07 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA24959; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 17:53:00 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 17:53:00 -0800 Message-ID: <36649DA8.294F8929@flash.net> Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 19:53:44 -0600 From: DEW Organization: http://www.cgenius.cbjd.net/ X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Zero-point Entertainment Inc References: <1.5.4.32.19981130180340.00ef2c88@popd.ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"wX2lM1.0.p56.vr9Ps"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7860 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Dennis C. Lee wrote: > > Hi; > > At 08:36 PM 11/29/98 -0800, you wrote: > > > > http://www.zpfilms.com/films.html > > > >Is this a ripoff? > Dennis, Hi! I joined your discussion group a couple of weeks ago to learn about any possible free energy devices available. I figured if any information was to be had on this subject, this would be a good place to find it. I was specifically interested in finding info about John Ecklins' "Stationary Armature Generator" so I posted a page at http://www.cgenius.cbjd.net/sag and I've been sending this link around the Internet but have turned up little. If anyone can enlighten me on this I'd appreciate it. As far as the Don Smith film though, I may be of some help. I know the man, he's in our Inventor club here in Houston. Our page is http://www.cgenius.cbjd.net/naie/ Back in 1994' Don gave a presentation at the Tesla Symposium and I was there with Walt Myers to present our invention detailed at http://www.cgenius.cbjd.net/hfgc/ Don had a lot of interest in his device but at that time I didn't see anything that actually worked. I have had very little contact with Don since then although he's been to a couple of meetings and talked like he was getting somewhere with his invention. I have his number and could call him to see where he's at now if need be. Thanks, David Ewing mailto:cgenius@flash.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Dec 1 19:09:49 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA08157; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 19:09:41 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 19:09:41 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 22:18:30 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: Re: http://www.overunity.com/newman2/ updated ! Resent-Message-ID: <"-zHG43.0.C_1.qzAPs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7862 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >Hi Evan and all, >At 01:29 AM 12/1/98 -0600, you wrote: > > >>(4) The net r.f. power at the battery pack represented a negative power >>which exceeded the d.c. input power from the batteries. >> >>"The last statement may explain why Newman has been able to demonstrate the >>charging of dry cell batteries placed in his system. Battery failure has >>occurred through internal shorts which develop within the batteries rather >>than by depletion of the energy stored within the batteries. Bear in mind >>that the batteries will last many times longer than expected for a drain of >>0.0008 amps. >> >Did Newman ever get his system to run off an initially charged capacitor? >Thanks, >-Dave No, he hasn't attempted this to my knowledge. Evan From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Dec 1 19:51:21 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA25964; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 19:51:09 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 19:51:09 -0800 X-Sender: bailey@shell14.ba.best.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 19:52:13 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com (Freengr List) From: pgb@padrak.com (Patrick Bailey) Subject: An email about Rotating Magetic Devices (Author un-named.) Cc: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Resent-Message-ID: <"gNO352.0.WL6.haBPs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7863 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com An email about Rotating Magetic Devices (Author un-named.) ------- Pat, I added a reference as follows in the middle of the fourth paragraph. "(See Proceedings of the 1986 International Tesla Society, page 6-23 "the ohmic losses are _computed_ from the coil resistance", also page 6-25 equations #1 and #2.)" (the contributor's name has been withheld by request.) ------- The following should be made clear. I have been sitting on it for 12 years cause I do not want to be sued. If you can release it to your list without my name attached I would like for it to go out to the web. ------- IF FREE ENERGY DEVICES COULD BE BUILT FROM ROTATING MAGNETS If free energy devices could be built from rotating magnets like Newman and Reed and Adams have claimed, then Tesla would have done it before 1900, let alone Edison or Steimetz! Newman and Reed have never allowed independent testing of their devices by independent researchers. The patent office test of the Newman device showed that it was under unity. Can you imagine how many hours have been wasted all over the world by people trying to build Newman Machines or Adams motors? Drawing attention to people whose ideas do not work slows done the development of real advances in the new energy field. The Adams motor has been tested at 40% efficiency by a number of researchers. This figure was confirmed at the Mechanical Engineering Department tests at the Energy Conversion test labs at Colorado State University during tests arranged by the Institute of New Energy (INE) as part of the 1994 International Symposium on New Energy. The Academy of New Energy (ANE, now defunct) published the results of these tests with the graph of power output vs. power input. THE REAL STORY ON THE NEWMAN MOTOR. There was a working model of the Newman motor at the 1986 International Symposium. This motor was built under Newmans supervision by an independent businessman and researcher. When it was tested by an independent testing lab on a proney brake, it was found to be a highly efficient (90 % plus), low torque, motor. During testing it was found that no current passed through the windings of the rotor. The rotor has many windings and a large capacitance, in this case about 0.1 uf. The energy in the circuit was passing through the capacitance of the coil, not through the resistance of the wire, as had been surmised by Dr. Roger Hastings, the physicist that did the original calculations of Newman motor efficiency. (See Proceedings of the 1986 International Tesla Society, page 6-23 "the ohmic losses are _computed_ from the coil resistance", also page 6-25 equations #1 and #2.) When he was shown this information by the researcher who had arranged the testing, he agreed with the results. These results have never been released due to Newmans proclivity to sue anyone who publicly disputed his claims. The Newman motor is not over unity and claims to the contrary assuming charge cluster technology do not match experimental test results!! ------- PB here: IMHO, I will NOT believe any test results unless the voltage is captured by a high frequency oscilloscope computer, and also the current, and then the power is calculated digitally as p(t) = v(t) * p(t) within the computer, and then the power is averaged over a cycle - both for the input power and the output power - and then we can calculate Pout/Pin. Otherwise, all sorts of errors can happen. Be careful! ------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Dec 1 19:59:15 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA27711; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 19:58:00 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 19:58:00 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19981201230431.00c27a40@cnct.com> X-Sender: knagel@cnct.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 23:04:33 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Keith Nagel Subject: Re: See notes...Re: Whistlers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"xG1U3.0.pm6.xgBPs"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7864 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com > > In general: > > sleep 2-3 cps > 5-7.... emission of children, sometimes associated with >creativity... this tends to move up toward alpha as person moves toward >puberty. > 9-11 alpha > > ~14-18 beta.... general associated with mental activity.. > > ~~ 22-30 epileptic activity... Ok. A quick browse over my bookshelf produced this table. 1-3 Delta 4-7 Theta 8-13 Alpha 13-> Beta > > There are several LF and ELF sources .... the EEG is one. I'm unclear as to what you mean here. > > >> Well, as you have (belatedly) joined the discussion, I have >> a question for you. Seems a few months back you posted >> some material concerning noninvasive brain stimulation with >> large inductors pulsed with fast risetime currents. > > It is in my opinion very dangerous. No doubt! Not something I'd fool around with. > > > I remember >> your comments about field testing the hardware, launching >> quarters into the ceiling. What kind of field intensities >> and rates of change were required to cause enough eddy current >> to get muscle and brain response? > > Not well documented... one description was 300 to 1,500 Joules >from BIG cap bank into 200 turn 14 AWG coil, air core, 3" diameter. Well, surely people have published based on these studies. I'll try and look for that article I saw in the Times a few years back, it described one of the researchers. Unfortunately, without more info its impossible to accurately gauge the field intensities, although the coil is spec'd enough to give a rough estimate of inductance, and therefore limiting risetime of the pulse. I'll post more after a bit of research. K. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Dec 1 20:08:40 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA00657; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 20:07:44 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 20:07:44 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199812020335.TAA21188@mail-gw3.pacbell.net> X-Sender: flapwing@postoffice.pacbell.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 19:35:49 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Flapwing Subject: Re: Mu metal available Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx2.eskimo.com id UAA00542 Resent-Message-ID: <"wlwE_2.0.v9.4qBPs"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7865 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hello again, Perhaps I'd better explain more about what this material is. Here's a snip from a manufacturer's web site: # What is Mumetal®? (or mu-metal or mewmetal, or moometal or newmetal?) # Mumetal® is one registered trade name for a high-permeability, magnetically # "soft" alloy used for magnetic shielding. Hipernom®, HyMu-80®. Permalloy®, # and other names refer to one of the two typical formulas for this alloy. Both # include about 80% nickel and 15% iron, with the balance being copper, molybdenum # or chromium, depending on the recipe being used. The term mumetal is often used # as a generic term, as Kleenex® is used for any facial tissue. Magnetic Shield # Corporation's registered trademark for our shielding alloy is CO-NETIC AA® (Other # trademarks shown are property of their respective owners). # # How does magnetic shielding work? # All shielding materials work by diverting the magnetic flux to themselves, so # although the field from a magnet will be greatly reduced by a shield plate, the # shield plate will itself be attracted to the magnet. Closed shapes are the most # efficient for magnetic shielding - cylinders with caps, boxes with covers, and # similar are the most effective. Magnetic shielding materials offer a very high # permeability path for magnetic field lines, directing the magnetic field lines through # the thickness of the alloy, and keeping them from going where they are not wanted. # It is important that the shield offers a complete path for the field lines, so that they # do not exit the material in a place where they will cause unintended interference. It seems to me Mu metal would be ideal for experimenting with containment and redirection of magnetic flux, shielding scalar wave sensors, etc. Frank >Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 11:59:28 -0800 >To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com >From: Flapwing >Subject: Mu metal available > >Hello everyone, > >I'm new on the list and enjoying the banter. > >I have the opportunity to obtain a large quantity of Mu metal. The dimensions are 0.2mm by 200mm by approx. 30meters. It is not annealed. > >I can't use all of it myself so I thought I would ask if there is any interest here for portions of this material. What would be a reasonable price for this item and can it be annealed at home without having to send it out to be professionally annealed? > >thanks, >Frank > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Dec 1 20:12:20 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA02318; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 20:12:14 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 20:12:14 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 23:21:31 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: Re: An email about Rotating Magetic Devices (Author un-named.) Resent-Message-ID: <"Nq5cl2.0.KZ.QuBPs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7866 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >An email about Rotating Magetic Devices (Author un-named.) > >------- > >Pat, I added a reference as follows in the middle of the fourth paragraph. >"(See Proceedings of the 1986 International Tesla Society, page 6-23 "the >ohmic losses are _computed_ from the coil resistance", also page 6-25 >equations #1 and #2.)" > >(the contributor's name has been withheld by request.) > >------- > >The following should be made clear. I have been sitting on it for 12 years >cause I do not want to be sued. If you can release it to your list without >my name attached I would like for it to go out to the web. > >------- > >IF FREE ENERGY DEVICES COULD BE BUILT FROM ROTATING MAGNETS > >If free energy devices could be built from rotating magnets like Newman and >Reed and Adams have claimed, then Tesla would have done it before 1900, let >alone Edison or Steimetz! > >Newman and Reed have never allowed independent testing of their devices by >independent researchers. The patent office test of the Newman device >showed that it was under unity. Can you imagine how many hours have been >wasted all over the world by people trying to build Newman Machines or >Adams motors? Drawing attention to people whose ideas do not work slows >done the development of real advances in the new energy field. > >The Adams motor has been tested at 40% efficiency by a number of >researchers. This figure was confirmed at the Mechanical Engineering >Department tests at the Energy Conversion test labs at Colorado State >University during tests arranged by the Institute of New Energy (INE) as >part of the 1994 International Symposium on New Energy. The Academy of New >Energy (ANE, now defunct) published the results of these tests with the >graph of power output vs. power input. > >THE REAL STORY ON THE NEWMAN MOTOR. > >There was a working model of the Newman motor at the 1986 International >Symposium. This motor was built under Newmans supervision by an >independent businessman and researcher. When it was tested by an >independent testing lab on a proney brake, it was found to be a highly >efficient (90 % plus), low torque, motor. During testing it was found that >no current passed through the windings of the rotor. The rotor has many >windings and a large capacitance, in this case about 0.1 uf. The energy in >the circuit was passing through the capacitance of the coil, not through >the resistance of the wire, as had been surmised by Dr. Roger Hastings, the >physicist that did the original calculations of Newman motor efficiency. >(See Proceedings of the 1986 International Tesla Society, page 6-23 "the >ohmic losses are _computed_ from the coil resistance", also page 6-25 >equations #1 and #2.) >When he was shown this information by the researcher who had arranged the >testing, he agreed with the results. These results have never been >released due to Newmans proclivity to sue anyone who publicly disputed his >claims. The Newman motor is not over unity and claims to the contrary >assuming charge cluster technology do not match experimental test results!! > >------- > >PB here: IMHO, I will NOT believe any test results unless the voltage is >captured by a high frequency oscilloscope computer, and also the current, >and then the power is calculated digitally as p(t) = v(t) * p(t) within the >computer, and then the power is averaged over a cycle - both for the input >power and the output power - and then we can calculate Pout/Pin. >Otherwise, all sorts of errors can happen. Be careful! > >------- Dear Patrick, The fact that the above is anonymously written speaks "volumes" regarding the authenticity of the information presented, i.e., the statement above is replete with inaccuracies and misleading comments. The above anonymous writer states: >If free energy devices could be built from rotating magnets like Newman and >Reed and Adams have claimed, then Tesla would have done it before 1900, let >alone Edison or Steimetz! [I will speak for Joseph Newman's technology -- and not for that of Reed or Adams.] The above spurious statement demonstrates the anonymous writer's total ignorance of Joseph Newman's technology. Tesla could NOT have achieved this technology because he did NOT understand the nature of the atom, and he totally disagreed with Einstein's equation of E=mc^2. The energy that is harnessed during the operation of Joseph Newman's technology is electromagnetically released in accordance with Einstein's famous equation. As such, Joseph Newman's work represents the integration of the work of several earlier innovators including Joseph Black, Michael Faraday, and Albert Einstein. What Joseph Newman's technical process DOES do is to EXTEND the Law of Conservation of Matter and Energy into a new domain, i.e., the equivalence of matter/energy via E=mc^2 is extended to the electromagnetic domain. Such extensions of natural law into new domains have certainly been typical of the history of the progress of science. Essentially, what Joseph Newman has innovated is the integration of the 19th Century work of Michael Faraday (upon which much of our conventional electromagnetic theory is based) with the 20th Century work of Albert Einstein to produce a revolutionary new electromagnetic technology for the 21st Century. Joseph Newman's technology was independently tested by Lawrence Tech -- the results of the tests are presented in Joseph Newman's book. Through the utilization of a dynamometer, the Newman Motor was found to be 700% production efficient. This is in addition to tests conducted by more than 30 scientists and engineers who have verified the EEO>EEI [Greater External Energy Output than External Energy Input] nature of the technology. The so-called "working model of the Newman motor at the 1986 International Symposium" was NOT built under Joseph Newman's supervision. What is written above is incorrect. And when Joseph Newman made a presentation of one of his Motor/Generators during an International Symposium in Colorado Springs in the 1990s, the audience was challenged by Joseph Newman to verify that the unit (which was continuously pumping water) was indeed EEO>EEI. Attendees employed their OWN meters in testing the prototype. At the International Symposium it was found to be EEO>EEI. This presentation was documented on videotape. I was also a witness to these events at the International Tesla Symposium in Colorado Springs. I challenge the above anonymous writer to produce the written documentation which supports the anonymous writer's claim that Dr. Hastings "agreed with the results" regarding the above-described test. Through his actions over many years, Dr. Hastings has certainly demonstrated his total support for and belief in this technology. More recently, Jean-Louis Naudin has independently constructed his OWN Newman Motor and has also verified via proney-brake testing that it is mechanically EEO>EEI. The NBS test (incorrectly referred to as a "patent office test" above) only proved the total incompetency of three bureaucrats at the NBS. Their failure to properly test Joseph Newman's prototype has been amply documented and their incompetency was described on the A&E Network Special featuring Joseph Newman's technology. [Anyone requesting the Report re the NBS test, which describes the NBS incompetently-performed test in detail, is free to email me at EvanSoule@josephnewman.com] For example: in every single test conducted, the three NBS bureaucrats grounded ALL tests. One would think that they would have at least had the curiosity to conduct ONE test without grounding the prototype. And they even did this AFTER they had prepared a test schematic -- in advance -- which depicted NO GROUNDING of the prototype! As Dr. Hastings described before the U.S. Senate Subcommittee on Energy, Nuclear Proliferation and Government Processes: 1) The input voltage into the energy machine was restricted. This is exactly opposite to the Technical Process taught by Joseph Newman who teaches that the input voltage should be maximized and the input current should be minimized. The three individuals at the NBS did the opposite. 2) In the NBS testing, the Newman Motor was connected directly to ground. As a result, the excess output power was shunted away. 3) The NBS tests did not measure the output of Newman's Motor -- instead, he says, the tests measured the output of parallel resistors. As a result, their measurements are therefore irrelevant to the actual functioning of the Newman device. [This is equivalent to stating that the output of an electric motor plugged into a wall socket is given by the power used by a lightbulb in the next room which is on a parallel circuit.] 4) No attempt was made to measure the heat generated in the Motor windings. 5) No attempt was made to measure the mechanical output of the Newman Motor -- only the electrical output. Considering the total inaccuracies and misleading statements of the above-written statement with respect to Joseph Newman's technology, it is no wonder that its author chooses to remain anonymous. Sincerely, Evan Soule' Director of Information NEWMAN ENERGY TECHNOLOGIES CORP. 11445 East Via Linda, Suite 2416 Scottsdale, Arizona 85259 www.josephnewman.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Dec 1 20:20:59 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA06636; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 20:20:53 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 20:20:53 -0800 Message-ID: <3664AF02.CD91650A@harti.com> Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 04:07:46 +0100 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: leoguitar@vossnet.de Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: leoguitar@vossnet.de CC: Tim Vaughan , Motoe Suzuki , Jean Louis Naudin , Bob Shannon , dave dameron , Dieter Bauer , freenrg-l , Newman-L Mailing List , Evan Soule , "Sergey M.Godin" , Dave Wenbert , Institute for Basic Research Subject: Newman coil test results updated ! References: <199811250307.AA00000@motoe.popsvr.tokai.jaeri.go.jp> <365BE46F.FE1B86EC@harti.com> <365EF761.778F8F9E@harti.com> <365F005E.CB487A91@harti.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"52ROC3.0.Vd1.a0CPs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7867 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi All, I have updated my Newman info today again with more pictures and scope readings: http://www.overunity.com/newman2/ Please read the whole article, cause I also added a few pics at the top abnd the middle of the article. Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Dec 1 20:21:12 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA06755; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 20:21:02 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 20:21:02 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19981201230714.00c244a0@cnct.com> X-Sender: knagel@cnct.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 23:07:16 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Keith Nagel Subject: Re: Tracking the Back Current source in my Newman's Machine Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"pSe2T3.0.Ef1.i0CPs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7868 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 11:07 AM 12/1/98 EST, you wrote: >Hi All, > >Today, I have reconducted (again) a new series of tests on my Newman's >Machine... >Jean-Louis Naudin >Email: JNaudin509@aol.com >Main Web site: http://members.aol.com/jnaudin509/index.htm Please J, place a large cap across the input to the motor, and measure current. This will be a reasonably accurate power measurement. K. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Dec 1 20:38:53 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA16770; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 20:38:46 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 20:38:46 -0800 Message-ID: <3664C443.299EED1D@GroupZ.net> Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 23:38:27 -0500 From: sno X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: See notes...Re: Whistlers References: <3.0.32.19981201230431.00c27a40@cnct.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"_sABr1.0.m54.KHCPs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7869 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Have found that if you trigger a white noise generator at around 9 cycles, so that you can hear it, if you play it while you sleep, will cause vivid dreams...and you can remember them (something I normally can't do).. think the sound is enough to cause you to go into sinc. something to try...steve Keith Nagel wrote: > > > > > In general: > > > > sleep 2-3 cps > > 5-7.... emission of children, sometimes associated with > >creativity... this tends to move up toward alpha as person moves toward > >puberty. > > 9-11 alpha > > > > ~14-18 beta.... general associated with mental activity.. > > > > ~~ 22-30 epileptic activity... > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Dec 1 21:08:11 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA00016; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 21:08:01 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 21:08:01 -0800 Message-ID: <00cd01be1db0$e30d45a0$1dea39cc@default> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: Whistlers Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 21:00:00 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"GW7AM1.0.__7.niCPs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7870 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Peter and all, >>I would be interested in where you heard about this? I have heard Bob >>Beck did some experiments with Andrija Puharich where he fed real time >>schumann signals back to people and they became telepathic, but I have >>never found a source for this rumor. >Rumor? I wasn't questioning the existence of the experiment, but I have never seen it so it is a rumor to me. I would like to have this paper. If I can acquire it I will be sure that it gets online somewhere. This was written up in Beck's privately distributed paper circa >1974. In it were the complete schematics for his Schumann (ELF) detector, >excluding the emitter coil and driver. Subjects reported "psychedelic" type >experiences. Today we have better components, ultra low noise op amps, than >the SOT discrete approach he used. Yes no doubt. > >A simple first step is to modulate an audio carrier Why use an audio carrier, instead of just the signal itself? with real time EEG, and >drive a coil in which the person being (EEG) monitored sits. IOW a feedback >loop. Avoid inverting the phase. That would be bad news. > >By then substituting the electrodes with a high inductance coil, and >tweaking the circuit, you can move on to Earth resonances. So you think it is that easy? What about artificial ELF noise? You certainly don't want to play that back into somebody's brain. Or monitor both >and use the error signal as an entrainment mode. That's a very good idea... Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Dec 1 21:34:41 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA12085; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 21:34:38 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 21:34:38 -0800 Message-ID: <009401be1dae$cd5a1320$1dea39cc@default> From: "Fred Epps" To: "R. A. 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In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"tc2uI2.0.Mq4.vHDPs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7872 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 01:29 AM 12/1/98 -0600, Evan Soule wrote: [snip] >And, as Dr. Hastings wrote about the operation of the Newman >Motor/Generator relative to r.f.: > [snip] > >(1) The r.f. appears in bursts, with the repeat time between each burst >approximately equal to the length of the motor winding divided by the speed >of light in copper. Not sure what he means about "the speed of light in copper" thought copper was opaque? Chris Gupta >The r.f. bursts showed little attenuation during their >travel through the coil, maintaining their shape and amplitude. > >(2) The r.f. current and voltage were in phase, representing the real power. > >(3) The r.f. current and voltage waveforms were offset from ground, >indicating a net d.c. component. > >(4) The net r.f. power at the battery pack represented a negative power >which exceeded the d.c. input power from the batteries. > >"The last statement may explain why Newman has been able to demonstrate the >charging of dry cell batteries placed in his system. Battery failure has >occurred through internal shorts which develop within the batteries rather >than by depletion of the energy stored within the batteries. Bear in mind >that the batteries will last many times longer than expected for a drain of >0.0008 amps. > >"Newman should be immediately awarded a patent and become recognized in the >scientific community for his accomplishments." > > --- Dr. Roger Hastings, Ph.D. > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Dec 2 00:39:57 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id AAA09229; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 00:39:49 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 00:39:49 -0800 X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199812020143.RAA21737@avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 22:36:13 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: Brain coils and A-B effect Resent-Message-ID: <"SLTpm3.0.5G2.KpFPs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7873 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Dave - > Thanks, I am no superconductor expert. Me neither. > One has J(current density) = conductivity*E As the > conductivity goes to infinity, the E field inside a > material (superconductor) must vanish. Otherwise, the > current density -> infinity. I try to avoid infinities. They make my teeth itch. > If the E field everywhere inside a superconductor = 0, > then curl(E) also = 0, which is -dB/dt. Thus, when a > material is cooled to be superconducting, dB/dt =0 and > the B field is thus frozen at its value when the material > became superconducting. After it is frozen, of course, > no (external) fields change it. Maybe we are saying the > same thing?? Does the permeability of a > superconductor also change? I'm not sure what you're saying here, but it sounds like you're saying that the B field inside the SC remains at some level. It doesn't; it becomes zero. Any externally applied field from magnets outside the SC is completely repelled. In HTSC's, some flux does penetrate the bulk material in tight 'bundles', and those flux tubes are sort of frozen, or pinned in their position. The field actually inside is still zero. Those flux tubes, as I understand it, are actually small quenched areas due to flaws of a certain type in the crystal lattice. The moment an externally applied field becomes strong enough (Hc, or critical field), it quenches the superconductivity. > So the vector potential, "A" was limited as well, not just > the B field. I assume the "confining" means the critical > field strength, and thus the fields, B and A, are > referring to those inside the superconductor, though the > resultant A field in the toroid hole is what caused the > phase shift? My take here, and I hope anyone who knows differently would chime in here, is that the B field was *completely* bottled up. No B field in the area of the electron beam at all. So that's what amazing about it. The phase changes even where there can logically be nothing 'touching' them. IOW, the A field doesn't appear to be shieldable as the B field is. It's an apparent contradiction, and that's why it's weird and gets people's attention. > The Scientific American article on the A-B effect says > on page 59: "When the niobium was cooled well below > 9.1 degrees K and became superconducting, the magnetic > field was confined to a specific strength by the laws of > superconductivity, and so the vector potential in the > hole could attain only a specific strength. As a result the > vector potential changed the phase of the electrons > travelling through the toroid relative to those > travelling outside." I'm confused by this. My understanding of the original experiment was that the electrons were affected in a location where the probability of there being any field was approaching or equal to zero. > I assume the "confining" means the critical field > strength, and thus the fields, B and A, are referring to > those inside the superconductor,[...] Critical field strength is that field strength required to overcome an SC's ability to expel a magnetic field, and therefore "quench" the superconductivity. Once a field has done that to part of a bulk SC, that part is no longer superconducting at that point. That is Meissner: magnetic fields and superconductivity inside a material are mutually exclusive. Some SC's can only withstand weak magnetic fields before breaking down and losing their superconductivity. Some high temperature SC's are strongly resistant to a B field's quenching of them, therefore the levitation, etc. In the case of the AB experiment, presumably *all* magnetism was confined and shielded by the SC. This is confusing, but here I mean confined inside the hollow SC layer, so that's not really within the SC material, but rather within the hollow part occupied with a conventional magnet. IOW, all fields were held trapped *inside* the conventional toroid magnet. > [...] though the resultant A field in the toroid hole is what > caused the phase shift? That's the deal as I understand it, and it "doesn't make sense" conventionally if there was no magnetic field in that location. Some people think that a pure A field in space with no B field is gravity. I have no idea myself, but I do know that *something* is gravity, and almost *everything* is electromagnetic. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Dec 2 04:35:31 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id EAA17804; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 04:35:24 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 04:35:24 -0800 Message-Id: <199812021340.KAA21107@bigbox.plug-in.com.br> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Marcelo Puhl" Organization: Huh? To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 10:34:07 -2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: An email about Rotating Magetic Devices (Author un-named.) Reply-to: mark@plug-in.com.br Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Resent-Message-ID: <"Va6pG1.0.2M4.BGJPs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7874 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com > > Joseph Newman's technology was independently tested by Lawrence Tech -- the > results of the tests are presented in Joseph Newman's book. Through the > utilization of a dynamometer, the Newman Motor was found to be 700% production > efficient. This is in addition to tests conducted by more than 30 scientists > and engineers who have verified the EEO>EEI [Greater External Energy Output > than External Energy Input] nature of the technology. > Is the Newman Corp. selling these motors/generators ? Where could I buy one ? What is the cost ? How could I arrange a contract to produce these motors/generators in my country ? --- Marcelo Puhl mark@plug-in.com.br From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Dec 2 04:35:33 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id EAA17836; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 04:35:26 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 04:35:26 -0800 Message-Id: <199812021340.KAA21111@bigbox.plug-in.com.br> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Marcelo Puhl" Organization: Huh? To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 10:34:07 -2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Tracking the Back Current source in my Newman's Machine Reply-to: mark@plug-in.com.br Priority: normal In-reply-to: <3.0.32.19981201230714.00c244a0@cnct.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Resent-Message-ID: <"-gXo21.0.bM4.DGJPs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7875 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com > At 11:07 AM 12/1/98 EST, you wrote: > >Hi All, > > > >Today, I have reconducted (again) a new series of tests on my Newman's > >Machine... > >Jean-Louis Naudin > >Email: JNaudin509@aol.com > >Main Web site: http://members.aol.com/jnaudin509/index.htm > > Please J, place a large cap across the input to the motor, > and measure current. This will be a reasonably accurate > power measurement. > > K. > And after that, disconnect the power supply and leave the capacitor alone to see if the motor continues running. --- Marcelo Puhl mark@plug-in.com.br From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Dec 2 09:06:40 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA09369; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 09:06:23 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 09:06:23 -0800 Reply-To: From: "Joe Callus" To: Subject: RE: Whistlers Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 12:04:58 -0500 Message-ID: <000601be1e16$127c4380$381c21a1@old> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: <000c01be157e$5f5633a0$17ea39cc@default> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"BLNp01.0.HI2.EENPs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7876 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Fred, I am interested in beneficial medical applications of ELF and Schumann resonance's. Are you aware of any books, manuals on the subject? I am also interested in obtaining a quality programmable ELF generator, do you know of any reputable sources for such equipment? Thank you joe callus -----Original Message----- From: Fred Epps [mailto:fepps@halcyon.com] Sent: Saturday, November 21, 1998 11:23 AM To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Whistlers Hi John, I am pretty familiar with the biological and psychological effects of the natural ELF freqs from 60 Hz and below (basically including the geomagnetic pulsations of less than 1 Hz to about 10 Hz, and the Schumann resonances of 7 to 33 Hz). It is known for instance that the worldwide average power spectrum of the schumann resonances is almost exactly the same as the average power spectrum of the human EEG. Do you know of any studies you can point me to that have been done on the biological or psychological effects (if any) of the other categories of higher frequency signals? Since humans have evolved in the presence of all these various signals I am wondering if there are specific effects from each of the different types. For instance, as a random example, what would happen to a person who was sitting in a room where a recording of whistlers was being played back through an antenna? I seem to remember something about brain waves in the 300 Hz range but I can't place the ref... > > Basically most humans have no direct sensory connection to types >[a] [b] and [c] ... but these signals can and do exist and are studied. Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Dec 2 09:09:30 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA10683; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 09:09:26 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 09:09:26 -0800 Message-ID: <19981202165513.19127.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 08:55:13 -0800 (PST) From: Adrian Subject: Re: Brain coils and A-B effect To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"-Lygd2.0.qc2.6HNPs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7877 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com sounds like radionics === Adrian improvization@rocketmail.com ---dave dameron wrote: > > Hi Rick and all, > At 10:31 AM 12/1/98 -1000, you wrote: > > >The basic definition of the Meissner effect as I understand it is the total > >expulsion of magnetic fields from within a superconductor. This means "DC" > >fields too. A coating of superconductor over a toroidal magnet with small > >leakage from its interior due to imperfections should be perfectly bottled > >up by a coating of a superconductive layer. As the Tc of the coating is > >reached, those fields are expelled *inwards* back into the conventional > >magnet. Outside, there should be absolutely zero leakage beyond the > >superconducting layer. Unless the field is too strong (and Niobium does > >have a weak critical field strength compared to some of the new high Tc > >materials), superconductors are perfect magnetic insulators. > > > >- Rick Monteverde > >Honolulu, HI > > > Thanks, I am no superconductor expert. Can you help me with my basic logic > where I thought the magnetic fields were "frozen":-). > > One has J(current density) = conductivity*E > As the conductivity goes to infinity, the E field inside a material > (superconductor) > must vanish. Otherwise, the current density -> infinity. > > If the E field everywhere inside a superconductor = 0, then curl(E) also = > 0, which is -dB/dt. Thus, when a material is cooled to be superconducting, > dB/dt =0 > and the B field is thus frozen at its value when the material became > superconducting. After it is frozen, of course, no (external) fields change it. > Maybe we are saying the same thing?? > Does the permeability of a superconductor also change? > > The Scientific American article on the A-B effect says on page 59: > "When the niobium was cooled well below 9.1 degrees K and > became superconducting, the magnetic field was confined to a specific > strength by the laws of superconductivity, and so the vector potential in the > hole could attain only a specific strength. As a result the vector > potential changed the phase of the electrons travelling through the toroid > relative to those travelling outside." > > So the vector potential, "A" was limited as well, not just the B field. > I assume the "confining" means the critical field strength, and thus the > fields, B and A, are referring to those inside the superconductor, though > the resultant A field in the toroid hole is what caused the phase shift? > -Dave > > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Dec 2 09:45:44 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA26847; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 09:45:37 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 09:45:37 -0800 Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 09:45:26 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199812021745.JAA07668@avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: dave dameron Subject: Re: Brain coils and A-B effect Resent-Message-ID: <"ilZt_1.0.AZ6._oNPs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7878 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Rick and all, At 10:36 PM 12/1/98 -1000, you wrote: > > One has J(current density) = conductivity*E As the > > conductivity goes to infinity, the E field inside a > > material (superconductor) must vanish. Otherwise, the > > current density -> infinity. > >I try to avoid infinities. They make my teeth itch. Yes, maybe better to use resistivity = 1/conductance, so: E = resistivity * J, and as resistivity ->0, the E field does too. > > If the E field everywhere inside a superconductor = 0, > > then curl(E) also = 0, which is -dB/dt. Thus, when a > > material is cooled to be superconducting, dB/dt =0 and > > the B field is thus frozen at its value when the material > > became superconducting. After it is frozen, of course, > > no (external) fields change it. Maybe we are saying the > > same thing?? Does the permeability of a > > superconductor also change? > >I'm not sure what you're saying here, Only that I understand why B = constant, but don't yet why B= 0. >My take here, and I hope anyone who knows differently would chime in here, >is that the B field was *completely* bottled up. No B field in the area of >the electron beam at all. So that's what amazing about it. The phase >changes even where there can logically be nothing 'touching' them. IOW, the >A field doesn't appear to be shieldable as the B field is. It's an apparent >contradiction, and that's why it's weird and gets people's attention. > Yes. This is one reason I have been interested in transformer induction. This would be a large scale effect of the A field, and something I can directly test. (Hope to upgrade my computer soon and post some images.) This would be instead of, for example, "flux cutting" which couldn't occur if the space where the wires are has no B field. Think also of wires in an electric motor armature completely surrounded by "iron". One can shield the secondary from the transformer core's B field, and still get the induced voltage. This is why I think the A field is involved. Sure, I have no superconductors, but the B field leakage from a toroid is already small (I measured less than 5%), and I used relatively high permeability materials as the shield. I do not know how to generate an A field with no B field _somewhere_, as currents are the source. Another question is the propagation velocity of the A field, also discussed a few months ago. With the Lorentzian gauge, both the electrostatic potential and the A field propagate at a velocity "C". There is the Coulomb gauge where the electrostatic potential is "instantaneous". There may be some other gauge where the A field is too. Can both or all be true? > > The Scientific American article on the A-B effect says > > on page 59: "When the niobium was cooled well below > > 9.1 degrees K and became superconducting, the magnetic > > field was confined to a specific strength by the laws of > > superconductivity, and so the vector potential in the > > hole could attain only a specific strength. As a result the > > vector potential changed the phase of the electrons > > travelling through the toroid relative to those > > travelling outside." > >I'm confused by this. My understanding of the original experiment was that >the electrons were affected in a location where the probability of there >being any field was approaching or equal to zero. > > [...] though the resultant A field in the toroid hole is what > > caused the phase shift? > >That's the deal as I understand it, and it "doesn't make sense" >conventionally if there was no magnetic field in that location. > >Some people think that a pure A field in space with no B field is gravity. >I have no idea myself, but I do know that *something* is gravity, and >almost *everything* is electromagnetic. > -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Dec 2 13:51:11 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA12838; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 13:50:07 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 13:50:07 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 16:12:45 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: Report from Joseph Newman, Scottsdale, Arizona Resent-Message-ID: <"jblrL3.0.z73.1ORPs"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7879 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Report from Joseph Newman, Scottsdale, Arizona December 1, 1998 To the People of the World: Honest and true scientifically-minded individuals are now verifying my life's work in France and Germany as did more than 30 scientists in the early 1980s. My production Motor, which I will be shortly demonstrating to the world, absolutely proves my life's work for humanity. This opposition to this technology also verifies the conspiracy of the "old boy power networks" and their pawns, the typical politicians of both the Republican and Democratic parties. These individuals have conspired against YOU - the People - just as they have in making a concerted effort to really solve the Y2K problem. Who has and will continue to suffer in both above-described instances? YOU the People! When I operate my production Motor at a given voltage - without a capacitor and with a simple, wire-wrapped amp-meter - the "SPARK" which occurs at the commutator breaks is VERY big! The current which registers on the amp meter at the instant of the big SPARK consists of HIGH current! Then, when a large capacitor is hooked across the circuit, the Motor rpm speed increases by 27% while, at the same instant the current which registers on the ampmeter DECREASES by an impressive 200% than that registered without said capacitor. At the same time, the SPARKING at the commutator breaks is DECREASED by a highly significant 200%, or more! This process occurs in accordance with E = mc^2. Moreover, the back voltage from the collapsing magnetic field is so high that a 2.25 inch SPARK repeatedly "jumps" from the ceramic insulators comprising a 15-lb capacitor to the metal housing the capacitor EVERY SEVEN SECONDS. THIS DEMONSTRATES THAT THE 5,000 VOLT CAPACITOR BECOMES OVERCHARGED REPEATEDLY - EVEN THOUGH ONLY 100 WATTS ARE INPUTED FROM THE D.C. BATTERY PACK! NOTE: The above results prove that the Motor's "SPARK POWER" came from the collapsing magnetic field of my Motor and NOT from the battery pack! This is true because - as the SPARK is more effectively captured by the capacitor, then the power use is DECREASED by 200% while the Motor's power and rpm is INCREASED by 27%. The above clearly proves that the Back Power from the Motor is 200% MORE than from the battery pack! NOW is the time for all honest and caring people to come forward and assist me in helping to profusely produce this "God" given Energy Machine for the people of this nation and the world prior to the Y2K's potentially disastrous problems for humanity on the 1st day of 2000 A.D. [Signed] Joseph Westley Newman NEWMAN ENERGY TECHNOLOGIES CORP. 11445 East Via Linda, Suite 2416 Scottsdale, Arizona 85259 (602) 657-3722 ________________________________ Posted by Evan Soule' To communicate with Joseph Newman, please contact him at the above address/telephone number. Thanks! website: www.josephnewman.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Dec 2 17:07:05 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA08754; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 17:06:26 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 17:06:26 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199812022358.RAA18315@dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com> Subject: Re: See notes...Re: Whistlers Date: Wed, 2 Dec 98 18:58:52 -0700 x-sender: perelman@popd.ix.netcom.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: perelman To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"RE0UO1.0.g82.CGUPs"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7880 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >>> Indeed, unlike conventional EM, most persons can "feel" it, like a rising >>> and falling pressure. This may be a function of a vestigial ability to >>> sense energies which produce tension, but do not necessarily cancel. For >>> example, tektonic or atmospheric events related to survival. >> >>Probably true, I know of first-hand reports of this, but if I cannot >>measure >>the effect, the effect might as well not be there. Hard data only, >>please. >> > >You mean like testimonials? The body is the ultimate sensor. > >If we only use simple bifilar coils, true, the result will not be apparent >to everyone. But there are hybrid configurations capable of more intensive >vector cancellation, and you cannot ignore them. Testimonials alone aren't enough. You're right that the body is the ultimate sensor for this sort of thing, though. A good way to get hard data on this (this is an experiment i am proposing; i'd do it if i had such a coil - not sure if i can get/build one) would be to use an experiment like some in parapsychology. Make a coil that you know (through testimonials is fine) seems to be detectable by most people. Put it under a cardboard box or something if you need to in order to hide any visual/auditory effects generated during operation (not sure if there are any, but if there are this is needed) and check to be sure you can still feel it. Get some volunteers, and ask them to sit next to the device and tell you if they feel anything when you ask. Be sure they cannot see or hear you though - need to contol for experimenter effects - perhaps be in another room and flash a light for them to respond. Run a trial for 5 minutes, every 15 seconds asking them if they feel anything, but flipping a coin for whether you activate the coil. If most people / the only people who feel it at all are near 100% accurate at sensing it when you activate the coil and DON'T report sensing it when you don't activate it (but they think you have) - this is important, it's possible that people feel something because they expect to. If you control for that, by doing the experiment blind, you can get hard data for the presence or absence of this "EM feeling" effect. I'd like to do this experiment if i can get a coil, but i probably won't be able to - if someone out there can do this, i'd appreciate it if you would and posted your results to this list. Thanks. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Dec 2 17:08:23 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA17095; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 17:08:14 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 17:08:14 -0800 From: Nackles@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 20:07:31 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Mu metal available Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 63 Resent-Message-ID: <"elAn1.0.-A4.zHUPs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7881 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Frank, I am interested in buying maybe 1 or 2 m of MuMetal, if the price you finally decide on is right. Once you post a price I shall let you know. Thanks Mike Wilkins From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Dec 2 17:17:41 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA20556; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 17:17:35 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 17:17:35 -0800 Message-ID: <3665D352.9A59A2D0@harti.com> Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 00:54:58 +0100 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: leoguitar@vossnet.de Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: JNaudin509@aol.com CC: Stefan Hartmann , tv@juno.com, ddameron@earthlink.net, mrand@iols.net, Djsquires@aol.com, n5qxd@stic.net, Newman-L Mailing List , freenrg-l Subject: Re: Look at this... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"YtUVT2.0.x05.iQUPs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7882 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com JNaudin509@aol.com wrote: > > Hi All, > > Look at this : > http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/delany/256/html/nwjlself.htm > > Regards > > Jean-Louis Hi JL ! Just great ! :) Man, I am so glad, you finally have reached a point were it only a snapshot away from running completely on itsself ! How many minutes does it run and how many minutes does the rotor run with an open coil with no power supply ? Do you have much friction at the shaft ? How big is your flywheel ? Afetr how many minutes does it stop, when only the flywheel energy runs donw ? Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Dec 2 18:30:32 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA27359; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 18:30:16 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 18:30:16 -0800 (PST) From: mindtech@nor.com.au Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981203115352.00720168@pophost.nor.com.au> X-Sender: mindtech@pophost.nor.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 11:53:52 +1100 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Whistlers In-Reply-To: <00cd01be1db0$e30d45a0$1dea39cc@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"yGzb41.0.Mh6.qUVPs"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7883 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >I wasn't questioning the existence of the experiment, but I have never >seen it so it is a rumor to me. >I would like to have this paper. If I can acquire it I will be sure >that it gets online somewhere. > For simplicity, I kept only the schematic for the amp and filters, if that is of interest. Little did I know it was going to become a collector's item. Borderland Science may have a copy of the entire paper. >Why use an audio carrier, instead of just the signal itself? > 1) It increases power density while retaining the psychoactive quality. To ensure its neutrality, I often use the "OM" frequency of 136.5 Hz. However, "beneficial" frequencies, such as those proposed by Rife, can also be enlisted. Microwaves will target specific tissue structures with high power levels, but, broadly speaking, introduce unnecessary complications. 2) Audio signals are easy to process. You can use standard AC-coupled amps and step-up transformers. 3) Unnerving electronic feedback between the acquired and output signal is eliminated. 4) You don't need a license to "broadcast" audio. Its traditionally accepted, limited range of propagation can be extended using a scalar mode of emission. Of course, this is not so necessary if you use an encircling coil like Beck. >So you think it is that easy? What about artificial ELF noise? You >certainly don't want to play that back into somebody's brain. > >Fred > I am not aware there are significant levels of artifact in the region of interest below 10-20 Hz. Anything above you filter out, as is done in any EEG amp. Sorry if this is a bit off-topic for this list. Peter Nielsen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Dec 2 18:47:39 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA20532; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 18:47:31 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 18:47:31 -0800 Posted-Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 04:44:23 +0300 (MEST) Message-ID: <3665FBBF.4D4B9774@verisoft.com.tr> Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 04:47:27 +0200 From: hamdi ucar X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Look at this... References: <3665D352.9A59A2D0@harti.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"mn17m.0.g05.2lVPs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7884 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Stefan Hartmann wrote: > > JNaudin509@aol.com wrote: > > > > Hi All, > > > > Look at this : > > http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/delany/256/html/nwjlself.htm > > > > Regards > > > > Jean-Louis > > Hi JL ! > > Just great ! :) > > Man, > I am so glad, you finally have reached > a point were it only a snapshot away from running > completely on itsself ! > > How many minutes does it run and > how many minutes does the rotor run > with an open coil with no power supply ? > > Do you have much friction at the shaft ? > > How big is your flywheel ? > > Afetr how many minutes does it stop, when only the flywheel energy runs > donw ? > > Regards, Stefan. > Hi Naudin, this feel great. I hope the energy stored on caps inside the DC supply have little influence on the self-running time of the machine. Please dont forget to clarify this issue (caps discharge cycles) on your subsequent report. Regards, hamdi ucar From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Dec 2 19:47:18 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA09151; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 19:47:10 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 19:47:10 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19981202225419.00c36970@cnct.com> X-Sender: knagel@cnct.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 22:54:22 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Keith Nagel Subject: Re: Brain coils and A-B effect Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"lfiM7.0.uE2.zcWPs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7885 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hello Rick and Dave: At 09:45 AM 12/2/98 -0800, you wrote: >Yes. This is one reason I have been interested in transformer induction. >This would be a large scale effect of the A field, and something I can >directly test. >(Hope to upgrade my computer soon and post some images.) >This would be instead of, for example, "flux cutting" which couldn't occur >if the space where the wires are has no B field. Think also of wires in an >electric motor armature completely surrounded by "iron". Dave points out (correctly) that transformer action can occur even in the instance where the B field is zero at the point of the wire loop. The common example of this is the torroidal transformer; here you can have a torroid which contains most of the flux, and wrap a big loop around it threading the hole in the center. And amazingly enough, you get induction. Well, the stock answer here is that "you're enclosing x lines of flux, the flux is changing, so you get induction" Nowhere do the equations say you have to have flux touching the loop. Well I, like you, find this a bit vague; but it's important to keep in mind that the vector potential need not be invoked to explain the phenomena. > >One can shield the secondary from the transformer core's B field, and still >get the induced voltage. This is why I think the A field is involved. Sure, >I have no superconductors, but the B field leakage from a toroid is already >small (I measured less than 5%), and I used relatively high permeability >materials as the shield. I do not know how to generate an A field with no B >field _somewhere_, as currents are the source. > Remember, the AB effect is occuring with a static field. No induction effect required to see this. Also remember that energy is NOT being tranferred to the electron, just a change in the phase of the wavefunction. >Another question is the propagation velocity of the A field, also discussed >a few months ago. With the Lorentzian gauge, both the electrostatic >potential and the A field >propagate at a velocity "C". There is the Coulomb gauge where the >electrostatic potential is "instantaneous". There may be some other gauge >where the A field is too. Can both or all be true? Yup. Bear in mind that the choice of gauge is largely determined by the system you're studying. So for example, I can say that the electrostatic field about a charged ball is instantaneous; but when I try to describe how that field changes as I increase or decrease the charge rapidly I need to use an electrodynamic model. Similar thing with the gauge choice. Really, what one wants to do is build a detector for the vector potential which can measure something besides a static field ( like the AB test you're talking about ). Then you could make velocity measurements. The more mathematically minded amongst you will immediately see some problems with this ( what happens when you have a time changing A field? ). But, it needs to be resolved experimentally. >> >>Some people think that a pure A field in space with no B field is gravity. >>I have no idea myself, but I do know that *something* is gravity, and >>almost *everything* is electromagnetic. Yes Rick, I believe Hooper was pushing this idea. I for one don't see it; but I enjoyed reading Hoopers papers immensely. Somewhere on the web a really hurting unit posted the thing as GIF images, if you want I'll go thru my stuff and try to find it. Look at the rest of the site at your own risk :^) K. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Dec 2 20:33:30 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA23357; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 20:33:26 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 20:33:26 -0800 Message-ID: <366617B4.91B718CA@harti.com> Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 05:46:44 +0100 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: leoguitar@vossnet.de Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: JNaudin509@aol.com CC: Newman-L Mailing List , tv@juno.com, ddameron@earthlink.net, mrand@iols.net, Djsquires@aol.com, n5qxd@stic.net, freenrg-l , Evan Soule Subject: Re: Dragone experiment...solid state Newman transformer idea... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"8symx.0.oi5.LIXPs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7886 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi All, I have forgotten to tell, that when I had my Newman coil in hissing sound spark gap mode (Leone Dragone experiment) and the chopped DC 10 mA input current was flowing and lightning a 25 Watts bulbs dimmly. I also had a magnetic torque onto the magnet rotor ! But then also only the torque was about 1/3rd of the torque generated, when 33 mA DC input current were flowing ! This verifies, that also a chopped magnetic field is produced inside the coil in the rhythm of the spark gap. If I calculate roughly: 600 Volts DC input x 10 mA = 6 Watts of input power i°2 x R= 1.67 Watts (R=16.7KOhm) ohmic heating of the coil. The rest 6 Watts - 1.67 Watts = 4.33 Watts is probably the dimmly glowing bulb. So this circuit behaves still in normal non OU conditions. Maybe this chopped magnetic field can be used to build a transformer with a better efficiency. As my bigger coil has 3 partial coils wound on them, I will try on friday to use 2 coils as the primary and 1 partial coil as the secondary and run this in hissing sound spark gap mode. Maybe I will get a bigger output at the secondary coil...?? Also I will try to run 2 spark gaps, one at the primary and the other at the secondary coil ! We will see, how the energy will bounce back and forth between the 2 coils when 2 spark gaps are running ! Maybe Lenz Law could be violated this way with these 2 nonlinear spark gaps... We will see. Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Dec 2 21:42:40 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA16344; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 21:42:12 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 21:42:12 -0800 Message-ID: <011301be1e7f$7d8e24e0$35faf0cf@default> From: "mrand@access" To: Subject: Re: Look at this... Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 21:40:44 -0800 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"b5_ji2.0.G_3.pIYPs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7887 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Jean-Louis, Interesting development! What was the difference in your latest design? Could it be due to the timing of the motor rpm to the coil BEMF that enables self-running operation? Its getting there 8^) Regards, Michael Randall >Stefan Hartmann wrote: >> >> JNaudin509@aol.com wrote: >> > >> > Hi All, >> > >> > Look at this : >> > http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/delany/256/html/nwjlself.htm >> > >> > Regards >> > >> > Jean-Louis >> >> Hi JL ! >> >> Just great ! :) >> >> Man, >> I am so glad, you finally have reached >> a point were it only a snapshot away from running >> completely on itsself ! >> >> How many minutes does it run and >> how many minutes does the rotor run >> with an open coil with no power supply ? >> >> Do you have much friction at the shaft ? >> >> How big is your flywheel ? >> >> Afetr how many minutes does it stop, when only the flywheel energy runs >> donw ? >> >> Regards, Stefan. >> > >Hi Naudin, this feel great. I hope the energy stored on caps inside the DC supply have little influence on the self-running time of the machine. Please dont forget to clarify this issue (caps discharge cycles) on your subsequent report. > >Regards, > >hamdi ucar > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 3 00:51:56 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id AAA04470; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 00:51:51 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 00:51:51 -0800 Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 00:51:44 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199812030851.AAA08071@goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: dave dameron Subject: Re: Brain coils and A-B effect Resent-Message-ID: <"kMXKw2.0.h51.d4bPs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7888 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Keith, Rick and all, At 10:54 PM 12/2/98 -0500, you wrote: >Dave points out (correctly) that transformer action can occur >even in the instance where the B field is zero at the point of >the wire loop. The common example of this is the torroidal >transformer; here you can have a torroid which contains most >of the flux, and wrap a big loop around it threading the hole >in the center. And amazingly enough, you get induction. Well, >the stock answer here is that "you're enclosing x lines of >flux, the flux is changing, so you get induction" Nowhere do >the equations say you have to have flux touching the loop. >Well I, like you, find this a bit vague; but it's important >to keep in mind that the vector potential need not be >invoked to explain the phenomena. The induction formula's explain _what_ happens with out the A field, but if the B field is zero at the wire loop(s), isn't another field required to explain _how_ energy is transferred or coupled to the secondary loops? >Remember, the AB effect is occuring with a static field. >No induction effect required to see this. Also remember that >energy is NOT being tranferred to the electron, just a >change in the phase of the wavefunction. > Yes. I am just looking for other effects of the A field as opposed to the B and H fields. Interesting (random thought here) that the A-B toroid test seems to be a transformer in reverse: the electron beam is a "1 turn" loop closed by the beam source and film, assume grounded some way to prevent charging. Does this "current" produce a circular H field at the superconductor? Does the superconductor conduct an opposite electronic current, or does the magnet see the H field, as H.dl = enclosed current. >Really, what one wants to do is build a detector for the >vector potential which can measure something besides a >static field ( like the AB test you're talking about ). >Then you could make velocity measurements. The more mathematically >minded amongst you will immediately see some problems with >this ( what happens when you have a time changing A field? ). >But, it needs to be resolved experimentally. Maybe some type of tunnel diode or Josephson junction device? It seems easy enough to create a time changing A field with AC current through a toroidal coil. > >>> >>>Some people think that a pure A field in space with no B field is gravity. >>>I have no idea myself, but I do know that *something* is gravity, and >>>almost *everything* is electromagnetic. > >Yes Rick, I believe Hooper was pushing this idea. I for one don't >see it; but I enjoyed reading Hoopers papers immensely. Somewhere >on the web a really hurting unit posted the thing as GIF images, >if you want I'll go thru my stuff and try to find it. Look at >the rest of the site at your own risk :^) > It is a geocities site as well: www.geocities.com/Area51/9357/hooper01.html -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 3 01:21:14 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id BAA13209; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 01:21:12 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 01:21:12 -0800 From: JNaudin509@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 04:20:21 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: The Newman's Machine Self-Running demo. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.i for Windows 95 sub 127 Resent-Message-ID: <"Eo0GB2.0.IE3.8WbPs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7889 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi All, Thanks for all your comments encouragments. Today, I have updated my web site with a new video about the self-running demonstration of my Newman's Machine (with some english translation errors now corrected).... I have also added some detailled comments and measurement results which, I hope, will give you some technical answers about the setup of this demonstration. You will find this at: http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/delany/256/html/nwjlself.htm My purpose is not to prove anything about this machine, but to have a scientific approach during all of my tests and by this way, understand better some unexplored domains of Physics... Best Regards, Jean-Louis Naudin Email: JNaudin509@aol.com Main Web site: http://members.aol.com/jnaudin509/index.htm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 3 01:28:08 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id BAA14977; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 01:28:05 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 01:28:05 -0800 Message-Id: <199812030928.BAA21813@mail-gw2.pacbell.net> X-Sender: flapwing@postoffice.pacbell.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 01:28:01 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Flapwing Subject: Re: Mu metal available In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Bk0UL.0.wf3.acbPs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7890 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Greetings, If I can get definite commitments from folks for at least 1/2 the total quantity of the Mu metal material, I will commit to purchasing the whole roll and will offer it for $15.00 per linear meter, plus shipping, to interested parties. The material is 0.2mm x 200mm x approx 30 meters. Please take at least 1 meter, or feel free to grab up to 25 meters, first come first served. I want the rest for myself. :-[] This offer is "as is" since I am buying unseen, and assumes the goods are still available at the time of order. Please let me know soon if you are interested. Thank you, Frank ====================================================== >Flapwing wrote: > >> I can't use all of it myself so I thought I would ask if there is any >> interest here for portions of this material. What would be a reasonable >> price for this item and can it be annealed at home without having to send >> it out to be professionally annealed? > >I'd buy some of it from you if I knew the price...unfortunately I don't. >When you find out, let me know, and I'll see about buying some. > >Kyle R. Mcallister > ====================================================== > >Frank, > > I am interested in buying maybe 1 or 2 m of MuMetal, if the price you >finally decide on is right. Once you post a price I shall let you know. > > Thanks > Mike Wilkins > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 3 03:15:18 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id DAA04087; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 03:15:13 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 03:15:13 -0800 Message-ID: <366673AA.CEDC1EC@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 04:19:06 -0700 From: Henry Curtis X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, Flapwing Subject: Re: Mu metal available References: <199812030928.BAA21813@mail-gw2.pacbell.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"oLA6g3.0.k_.0BdPs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7891 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Frank, I'll take 1 meter of the Mu metal. Appreciate your sharing. Henry From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 3 04:25:21 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id EAA20631; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 04:25:13 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 04:25:13 -0800 Message-Id: <199812031328.KAA27306@bigbox.plug-in.com.br> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Marcelo Puhl" Organization: Huh? To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:23:50 -2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Report from Joseph Newman, Scottsdale, Arizona Reply-to: mark@plug-in.com.br Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Resent-Message-ID: <"U1l84.0.825.eCePs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7892 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com > Posted by Evan Soule' > > To communicate with Joseph Newman, please contact him at the above > address/telephone number. Thanks! > > website: www.josephnewman.com > I have tried two times already. Never received an answer. Seems he doesn't want to sell his motors or licence his technology. --- Marcelo Puhl mark@plug-in.com.br From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 3 13:05:59 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA17135; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 13:05:42 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 13:05:42 -0800 From: mindtech@nor.com.au Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981204082445.00726574@pophost.nor.com.au> X-Sender: mindtech@pophost.nor.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 08:24:45 +1100 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: See notes...Re: Whistlers In-Reply-To: <199812022358.RAA18315@dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"nj-Lb2.0.eB4.cqlPs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7893 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >Testimonials alone aren't enough. > >perelman > (snip) We have done the type of blind experiment you suggest, in addition to other input from nearly a hundred subjects over the past four years. Some have had test units in their homes or workplaces for several years. Given sufficient output, only a small percentage have been unable to sense the field. I hestitate to categorize, but they generally fall into a certain personality type. But, I repeat, these are not simple bifilar coils. There is also no irritant factor. IOW, it feels natural. Peter Nielsen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 3 16:13:29 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA26203; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 16:13:17 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 16:13:17 -0800 Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 19:05:16 -0500 (EST) From: John Schnurer To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: See notes...Re: Whistlers In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19981204082445.00726574@pophost.nor.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"JT3Mp1.0.DP6.SaoPs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7894 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com What experiment are we talking about? On Fri, 4 Dec 1998 mindtech@nor.com.au wrote: > >Testimonials alone aren't enough. > > > >perelman > > > > (snip) > > We have done the type of blind experiment you suggest, in addition to other > input from nearly a hundred subjects over the past four years. Some have > had test units in their homes or workplaces for several years. > > Given sufficient output, only a small percentage have been unable to sense > the field. I hestitate to categorize, but they generally fall into a > certain personality type. But, I repeat, these are not simple bifilar coils. > > There is also no irritant factor. IOW, it feels natural. > > Peter Nielsen > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 3 16:22:54 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA30501; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 16:22:09 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 16:22:09 -0800 Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 19:13:21 -0500 (EST) From: John Schnurer To: Vortex , free E Subject: Low frequency stuff Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"EAbad1.0.QS7.mioPs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7895 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Long Wave Club of America Bill Oliver 45 Wildflower Road Levittown PA 19057 members.aol.com/lwcanews/ 2 meg cps and DOWN!!!!! JHS From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 3 17:55:37 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA06332; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 17:55:16 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 17:55:16 -0800 From: Nackles@aol.com Message-ID: <506c4722.36673fce@aol.com> Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 20:50:06 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Mu metal available Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 63 Resent-Message-ID: <"LBmAo3.0.rY1.44qPs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7896 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Frank, I would like 3 m of the Mu metal (or 2 if 3 not available). Price is fine, and I will mail you privately with address etc once you confirm all the orders. Thanks, Mike Wilkins From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 3 19:24:21 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA03519; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 19:23:06 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 19:23:06 -0800 Message-Id: <199812040323.TAA03500@mx1.eskimo.com> From: "Ray Bradshaw" To: Subject: BTTF:2 query Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 21:19:32 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"HC8.0.us.PMrPs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7897 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hello. This is Ray Bradshaw writing and this is my first post. I do research mainly in the paranormal and time travel areas. But recently, my train of thought has been altered after watching Back to the Future 2 for the 'millionth' time and I got a crazy idea concering hoverboards. Before I present my idea, I would like to note that I AM aware of how many people dislike the idea of hoverboards and/or they ever existed. First off, I have relatives who remember seeing hoverboards in the past ( i.e. late seventies or sometime in the eighties ). I am certain that they wouldn't lie to me in such a manner. I have also have seen a message by someone on the internet who remembered them AS WELL AS tested one in a Kay Bee store. Once again, I am very aware of the negativity towards this topic. To get to the point of this email, I was watching BTTF:2 and a idea sparked in my brain. Companies like Hovertech (TM) are trying to build them using electromagnetics and ion propulsion. This technologies require a VAST amount of energy. For anyone who has wasted money on their 'hoverboard plans' know exactly what i mean concerning the my statement concerning energy. Just assume that hoverboards did indeed exist and were sold temporarily. Now think about the time era this hoverboard technology came out. In the early eighties, our technology was miniscule compared to the late ninties ( I say this with all do respect ). Whatever drived or propelled these hoverboards to float are LIKE two opposite magnetic fields of force, or poles, however you wish to think of it. Logically, ionic propulsion was out of the question. Today, i'm assuming through failed experimental hoverboards, that we STILL have trouble creating a small, economical, and safe ' ion generators' ( the appropriate term at this time slips my mind ). My idea would be to use Geomagnetism for hoverboard levitation. Perhaps one could amplify the earths natural magnetic field BELOW THE BOARD, then find a simple means of levitation. I would like to note that I am not a 'genius'. I admit that I do not know much about geomagnetism or complex electrical systems/circuits. This is simply an idea I would like share among other people. This may influence some people to experiment with the this idea. I would appreciate any information or comments about my above idea concerning hoverboards. Perhaps there is still a way to make it possible, maybe or maybe not. For a final note, I have a comment I would like people to think about. "Most people think that the mysteries of the universe are complex, so people apply all their scientific knowledge to a subject....only to overlook the simplest variables, which could lead to the answer. " Thats just my 5 cents. To end this email, I would like to thank everyone who has read this far down my message. I wish everyone the best of luck in their experimentation which is for the benifit of mankind and to better ourselves. I really do appreciate you reading this email. Thank you for everyone's time. A Fellow Experimenter, Ray Bradshaw From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 3 20:02:14 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA27183; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 20:01:57 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 20:01:57 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981204143136.0080a100@main.murray.net.au> X-Sender: egel@main.murray.net.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 14:31:36 +1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: GEOFF EGEL Subject: Simple compressed air water well pump Cc: "jdecker@keelynet.com energy21" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"-uzs33.0.ce6.owrPs"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7898 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >Hi All, Have just added some simple designs and modified photgraph and article of a very simple water pump using plastic poly pipe and an air compressor that has no moving parts I found the device very interesting and it may prove useful for some. it can be found at http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135/bladder.html Geoff http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135 Solaris searching for natures energy sources. Geoff Egel 18 Sturt Street Loxton 5333 South Australia Australia Phone (08) (8584 5201) Usually can be reached hereafter 6 pm local time (Monday - Saturday) Central Australian time others times you cannot be certain of getting me here. Like to hear from You, I expect this to apply only to Australian viewers From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 3 20:10:28 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA17825; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 20:10:24 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 20:10:24 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981204144029.00806270@main.murray.net.au> X-Sender: egel@main.murray.net.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 14:40:29 +1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: GEOFF EGEL Subject: Re: Observation on electrostatic experiements In-Reply-To: <004301be1bcb$43271b60$03000004@btech> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"A2EY6.0.PM4.l2sPs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7899 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 02:05 PM 11/29/98 -0500, you wrote: >I know little, could you please elaborate. > >>Geoff, >> >>Sounds like you made an electrophorus ! The work you did by lifting the >>disk created the high potential by induction. The electrophorus is an >>old invention, but still a fun toy. Surprisingly few people know much >>about them. >> > >I tend to agree and though I get someone else to confirm it Geoff Geoff http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135 Solaris searching for natures energy sources. Geoff Egel 18 Sturt Street Loxton 5333 South Australia Australia Phone (08) (8584 5201) Usually can be reached hereafter 6 pm local time (Monday - Saturday) Central Australian time others times you cannot be certain of getting me here. Like to hear from You, I expect this to apply only to Australian viewers From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 3 20:20:50 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA24813; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 20:20:47 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 20:20:47 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19981201191352.00c38a60@cnct.com> X-Sender: knagel@cnct.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 23:28:02 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Keith Nagel Subject: Re: See notes...Re: Whistlers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"qvBcm1.0.b36.UCsPs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7900 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 09:52 AM 12/1/98 -0800, you wrote: >> Our experience that frequency following effects can be produced with scalar >> potentials at far lower power ratings suggests the body contains >> specialized receptors for this mode of energy. > >Agreed, VASTLY lower power... Again, the vector potential exists along with the ordinary magnetic field; we are being exposed to large vector potentials all the time. Why no effect? If an effect, why such a larger effect when small increases in potential occur? > >> Indeed, unlike conventional EM, most persons can "feel" it, like a rising >> and falling pressure. This may be a function of a vestigial ability to >> sense energies which produce tension, but do not necessarily cancel. For >> example, tektonic or atmospheric events related to survival. > >Probably true, I know of first-hand reports of this, but if I cannot >measure >the effect, the effect might as well not be there. Hard data only, >please. Agreed. It's easy to convince people of things that aren't there. Machines are another story... I'm not ignoring personal account, just looking for a mechanical detector. > >> Readers interested in the quantum brain structures angle may like to check >> out the archives of the Q-mind list at: >> >> http://listserv.arizona.edu/lsv/www/quantum-mind.html. > >Yep, check that stuff out. Too hot eh? Uh, I'm looking, can you perhaps provide a direct link to what you consider relevant? At least a keyword? K. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 3 20:57:57 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA02121; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 20:57:49 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 20:57:49 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 23:49:37 -0500 (EST) From: John Schnurer To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: See notes...Re: Whistlers In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19981201191352.00c38a60@cnct.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"dwPR13.0.2X.BlsPs"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7901 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mechanical detector of what? [see flag below] cuts.... On Thu, 3 Dec 1998, Keith Nagel wrote: > At 09:52 AM 12/1/98 -0800, you wrote: > >> Our experience that frequency following effects can be produced with scalar > >> potentials at far lower power ratings suggests the body contains > >> specialized receptors for this mode of energy. > > How do you produce these scalar potentials??? > >> Indeed, unlike conventional EM, most persons can "feel" it, like a rising > >> and falling pressure. Feel what from what? -----FLAG ---------------- I'm not ignoring personal account, > just looking for a mechanical detector. > > > ----------------------- > >> Readers interested in the quantum brain structures angle may like to check > >> out the archives of the Q-mind list at: > >> > >> http://listserv.arizona.edu/lsv/www/quantum-mind.html. > > > >Yep, check that stuff out. Too hot eh? > > Uh, I'm looking, can you perhaps provide a direct link to what > you consider relevant? At least a keyword? > > K. > > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 3 21:03:04 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA13122; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 21:02:51 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 21:02:51 -0800 Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 23:54:53 -0500 (EST) From: John Schnurer To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Observation on electrostatic experiements In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19981204144029.00806270@main.murray.net.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"vxJYv3.0.tC3.wpsPs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7902 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com What is this about? I seem to have missed a bunch of posts... J On Fri, 4 Dec 1998, GEOFF EGEL wrote: > At 02:05 PM 11/29/98 -0500, you wrote: > >I know little, could you please elaborate. > > > >>Geoff, > >> > >>Sounds like you made an electrophorus ! The work you did by lifting the > >>disk created the high potential by induction. The electrophorus is an > >>old invention, but still a fun toy. Surprisingly few people know much > >>about them. > >> > > > >I tend to agree and though I get someone else to confirm it > Geoff > > Geoff > > http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135 > Solaris searching for natures energy sources. > > Geoff Egel > 18 Sturt Street > Loxton 5333 > South Australia > Australia > > Phone (08) (8584 5201) > Usually can be reached hereafter 6 pm local time > (Monday - Saturday) > Central Australian time > others times you cannot be certain of getting me here. > > Like to hear from You, I expect this to apply only to Australian viewers > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 3 21:04:25 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA13905; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 21:04:21 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 21:04:21 -0800 Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 23:56:23 -0500 (EST) From: John Schnurer To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: BTTF:2 query In-Reply-To: <199812040323.TAA03500@mx1.eskimo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"LJmm-3.0.2P3.LrsPs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7903 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Dear Ray, Read some on magnetism. Earth's field is about 0.25 to 0.80 Gauss ... not very strong. On Thu, 3 Dec 1998, Ray Bradshaw wrote: > Hello. This is Ray Bradshaw writing and this is my first post. I do > research mainly in the paranormal and time travel areas. But recently, my > train of thought has been altered after watching Back to the Future 2 for > the 'millionth' time and I got a crazy idea concering hoverboards. Before > I present my idea, I would like to note that I AM aware of how many people > dislike the idea of hoverboards and/or they ever existed. > > First off, I have relatives who remember seeing hoverboards in the past ( > i.e. late seventies or sometime in the eighties ). I am certain that they > wouldn't lie to me in such a manner. I have also have seen a message by > someone on the internet who remembered them AS WELL AS tested one in a Kay > Bee store. Once again, I am very aware of the negativity towards this > topic. > > To get to the point of this email, I was watching BTTF:2 and a idea > sparked in my brain. Companies like Hovertech (TM) are trying to build them > using electromagnetics and ion propulsion. This technologies require a VAST > amount of energy. For anyone who has wasted money on their 'hoverboard > plans' know exactly what i mean concerning the my statement concerning > energy. Just assume that hoverboards did indeed exist and were sold > temporarily. Now think about the time era this hoverboard technology came > out. In the early eighties, our technology was miniscule compared to the > late ninties ( I say this with all do respect ). > > Whatever drived or propelled these hoverboards to float are LIKE two > opposite magnetic fields of force, or poles, however you wish to think of > it. Logically, ionic propulsion was out of the question. Today, i'm > assuming through failed experimental hoverboards, that we STILL have > trouble creating a small, economical, and safe ' ion generators' ( the > appropriate term at this time slips my mind ). > > My idea would be to use Geomagnetism for hoverboard levitation. Perhaps > one could amplify the earths natural magnetic field BELOW THE BOARD, then > find a simple means of levitation. > > I would like to note that I am not a 'genius'. I admit that I do not know > much about geomagnetism or complex electrical systems/circuits. This is > simply an idea I would like share among other people. This may influence > some people to experiment with the this idea. I would appreciate any > information or comments about my above idea concerning hoverboards. Perhaps > there is still a way to make it possible, maybe or maybe not. > > For a final note, I have a comment I would like people to think about. > "Most people think that the mysteries of the universe are complex, so > people apply all their scientific knowledge to a subject....only to > overlook the simplest variables, which could lead to the answer. " > Thats just my 5 cents. To end this email, I would like to thank everyone > who has read this far down my message. I wish everyone the best of luck in > their experimentation which is for the benifit of mankind and to better > ourselves. I really do appreciate you reading this email. Thank you for > everyone's time. > > A Fellow Experimenter, > Ray Bradshaw > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 3 21:07:59 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA15353; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 21:07:57 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 21:07:57 -0800 Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 23:59:57 -0500 (EST) From: John Schnurer To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: missed ...Re: Mu metal available In-Reply-To: <506c4722.36673fce@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"AKiFa1.0.hl3.iusPs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7904 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Dear fre., I seem to have missed some posts.... What are we using mu metal for? JHS On Thu, 3 Dec 1998 Nackles@aol.com wrote: > Hi Frank, > > I would like 3 m of the Mu metal (or 2 if 3 not available). Price is > fine, and I will mail you privately with address etc once you confirm all the > orders. > Thanks, Mike Wilkins > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Dec 4 02:53:26 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id CAA28606; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 02:53:19 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 02:53:19 -0800 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981204110019.0116c4ec@popd.ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: atech@popd.ix.netcom.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 06:00:19 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: "Dennis C. Lee" Subject: Re: implosion energy Resent-Message-ID: <"6djx.0.t-6.VyxPs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7905 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi; At 07:24 PM 11/30/98 -0700, you wrote: >>Deuterium and hydrogen atoms are different in that the former has a neutron >>in the nucleus and the latter does not. Yet the diameter of both types of >>atoms are about the same. This puts int question whether neutron are really >>particles. Neutrons are charge neutral yet are associated with magnetic field. > >Since the diameter of an atom is defined by the outmost electron, and the >distance is related to the charge of the nucleus, it shouldn't change the >diameter much. (someone please correct me if i'm wrong here) It's an >interesting theory.. i'd like to hear more about it. Joseph Cater states that inertia is directly proportional to charge. He therefore states that since the proton has 1836 times the inertia of an electron, then its' charge is 1836 times as great as an electron. Therefore a hydrogen atom has thousands of electrons? He says. Regards; Dennis Tall Ships http://pw1.netcom.com/~atech/tallship.html Concentric Tori http://pw1.netcom.com/~atech/GoldCTori_A.JPG From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Dec 4 03:37:21 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id DAA05737; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 03:37:18 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 03:37:18 -0800 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981204114412.00ef8850@popd.ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: atech@popd.ix.netcom.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 06:44:12 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: "Dennis C. Lee" Subject: Re: Zero-point Entertainment Inc Cc: cgenius@flash.net Resent-Message-ID: <"VeAWm3.0.YP1.kbyPs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7906 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi; At 07:53 PM 12/1/98 -0600, you wrote: >Hi! I joined your discussion group a couple of weeks ago to learn >about any possible free energy devices available. I figured if >any information was to be had on this subject, this would be a good >place to find it. I was specifically interested in finding info >about John Ecklins' "Stationary Armature Generator" so I posted >a page at http://www.cgenius.cbjd.net/sag and I've been sending >this link around the Internet but have turned up little. If anyone >can enlighten me on this I'd appreciate it. Rex Research has an infolio covering the Ecklin design as I recall. A magnetic shield was mechanically passed between magnets timed appropriately to produce a unidirectional force. I think I saw a spring somewhere in the design. The last address I have is POBox 19250, Jean NV 89019 - this was quite a few years ago. >Don had a lot of interest in his device but at that time I didn't >see anything that actually worked. I have had very little contact >with Don since then although he's been to a couple of meetings >and talked like he was getting somewhere with his invention. I >have his number and could call him to see where he's at now if >need be. I don't know who or what to trust anymore. I wonder if President Clinton's press conference about toxins in water could be some kind of code about a new policy of not poisoning patriotic OU and A/G inventors? For all I know people who we thought we could trust are really trying to fool us. I wish someone could tell us for sure if we need to be working on this stuff or not. Viktor Schauberger says global warming will push water vapor to higher altitudes and dissociate to hydrogen and oxygen. The hydrogen floats into space and that water is lost. But then someone says it's possible to get water out of rocks. Does hydrogen in space some how recombine with oxygen so we don't have to worry about losing water? Or does that David Bowie movie 'The Man Who Fell To Earth' predict what might happen to us? How does one apply faith in his case? Should we have faith that we'll screw up, or faith that we will figure it out? I don't know what I should do. I hate my life. Regards; Dennis Tall Ships http://pw1.netcom.com/~atech/tallship.html Concentric Tori http://pw1.netcom.com/~atech/GoldCTori_A.JPG From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Dec 4 07:08:01 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id HAA06307; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 07:07:53 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 07:07:53 -0800 Message-Id: <199812041507.JAA18022@neon.prysm.net> From: "Robert H. Calloway" To: Cc: "jdecker@keelynet.com energy21" Subject: Re: Observation on electrostatic experiements Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 08:55:53 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"wZdli3.0.RY1.8h_Ps"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7907 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hello Geoff, I once took some PVC pipe and glued aluminum sheeting around it and slid a larger PVC pipe around it. I got to where I was very carefull of handling this capacitor..I guess thats what it would be. That thing literally would eat me up every time I handled it. I have wondered if PVC is availible in sheets? I would like to experiment with it as you are doing. In the electric series chart that I have, it is slightly lower in the list. Teflon is at the bottom of the list wich should perform the best. But that stuff is expensive. Hot and dry weather would indeed help the results. The glue that you used, is it yellow or clear colored? Regards, Robert H.Calloway Dont keep forever on the public road, going only where others have gone. Leave the beaten track occasionally and dive into the woods. You will be certain to find something you have never seen before... -Alexander Graham Bell- "Double your money by folding it inhalf and putting it back in your pocket" Source: My Dad... ---------- > From: GEOFF EGEL > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Cc: jdecker@keelynet.com energy21 > Subject: Observation on electrostatic experiements > Date: Saturday, November 28, 1998 6:57 PM > > > >Hi All, > > > Have notice some interesting effects that members of this group may be > interested in. > > Some observations from my electrostatic experiments. > > I was trying to make some disk for my Testakica free energy machine ,I am > trying to make and have noticed the following odd occurrences. > > > Before I start I like to say the weather here has been hot and dry. > > Now to the details > > I first glued the components as per experiment diagram one and two, shown > above. > > I placed a 14 inch flat aluminum surface cut from a sheet I obtained from a > linotype offset printer for a cost of 65 cents a sheet. > > One side has been coated with some surface they use to print the paper and > left untouched ,the other side is left uncoated with a bare surface showing. > > These sheets are approximately two feet by three feet in size and can be > cut to size requirements with an ordinary pair of scissors) > > I had my persplex supplier cut me a disk of 16inch > diameter Persplex 2mm thick, (NB this a plastic glass substitute and may be > know by other names in other parts of the world.) > > When conducting the experiments, the outer coating paper on the persplex > sheeting was removed and there was some stickiness to plastic surface > remaining. > > I was attempting to mount the aluminum disk so that 50 equal spaced > segments can be cut out from the diameter. > > I bonded the metal plate to the plastic surface with a cheap contact glue > placed on the coated metal side and then I left this sandwich to dry. > > A couple of days later I went to clean the exposed metal surface with a dry > cotton cloth and the received an electrostatic high voltage shock. > > The disk was then placed on a laminated table surface with the persplex > sitting on top of table and with aluminum metal faced upwards. > > After a further repeating of rubbing with the cotton cloth and when I > lifted the disk combination upwards from one side and with a portion of > the persplex disk surface still touching the laminated table surface I > received another shock when I bought my finger close to the metal surface. > > > Later I noticed a cotton cloth was not needed and my hand rubbed across the > metal surface was enough to activate the action again. > > And the apparatus was again raised upwards when one portion of disk still > in contact with the table surface ,I was still subjected to an > electrostatic shock on the same hand that was rubbed against the metal > surface previously. > > EXPERIMENT TWO > > Before I noticed the following results I was going to cut the sandwich up > and use it as a collectors on my the testakica but I not so sure now. > > > In a further observation carried out later with an aluminum linotype sheet > sandwiched between two 2mm persplex sheets of approximately two foot by > three feet and with the same type of contact glue covering the metal > sheeting on both sides and then bonding the plastic sheets to it. > > I pressed on both sides of persplex to help spread the contact glue so > that most of the surfaces were coated. > > I then placed the whole assembly in a metal towing trailer to let the glue > dry and then accidentally touched the metal portion and again received an > electric shock. > > I noticed too while the assembly was on the metal trailer and I rubbed > with my hand the top plastic sheeting on the glued assembly and then raised > it so a that gap between the metal foil and the metal trailer decreased and > then a blue light was noticed along with a sharp snap sound could be heard. > > The second version seems to give better results with stronger voltage and > less rubbing energy > (a couple of slow swipes seems to be all that is required to get it going.) > This reason could also be, because the surface area is also greater. > > I think this device bears some similarities to making an electret also at > my website, but I did not to need to make the plastic in molten state an > subjected to an electrostatic field to get an electrostatic discharge. > > > Like to hear from other with some explanation and other results if you have > carried out similar experiments yourself. > > > Geoff > > http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135 > Solaris searching for natures energy sources. > > Geoff Egel > 18 Sturt Street > Loxton 5333 > South Australia > Australia > > Phone (08) (8584 5201) > Usually can be reached hereafter 6 pm local time > (Monday - Saturday) > Central Australian time > others times you cannot be certain of getting me here. > > Like to hear from You, I expect this to apply only to Australian viewers From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Dec 4 15:13:04 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA13345; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 15:12:47 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 15:12:47 -0800 Message-ID: <366887B5.78749F0E@sunherald.infi.net> Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 17:09:09 -0800 From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: 34AWG magnet wire Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"SPfN33.0.MG3.kn6Qs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7908 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com All: Where can I obtain 34AWG magnet wire in large amounts? I will need 25 kilometers of it. It does not have to be in this length, but many rolls of large amounts. Thanks, Kyle R. Mcallister From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Dec 4 15:58:01 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA29926; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 15:57:52 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 15:57:52 -0800 From: mindtech@nor.com.au Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981205110834.0072ce28@pophost.nor.com.au> X-Sender: mindtech@pophost.nor.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 11:08:34 +1100 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: See notes...Re: Whistlers In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19981201191352.00c38a60@cnct.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"9rCqX3.0.VJ7.0S7Qs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7909 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >Again, the vector potential exists along with the ordinary >magnetic field; we are being exposed to large vector potentials >all the time. Why no effect? If an effect, why such >a larger effect when small increases in potential occur? > Perhaps we are confusing terminology. I was referring to my use of scalars, or virtual potential fields in mood control devices. They are produced by _cancellation_ of equal and opposite EM vectors. As such, they do not coexist physically with their causal EM vectors. However, the body appears to have receptors for these subtle forms of energy. It is a relatively special case resulting in dimensional translation, similar to the way an electron generates a magnetic field by assuming an extra dimension of motion. Hence, we are not directly exposed to it "all the time". In effect, the process is modulating the event horizon between dimensions. >Agreed. It's easy to convince people of things that aren't there. >Machines are another story... I'm not ignoring personal account, >just looking for a mechanical detector. > It's a bit like the weather, only internal. You don't need a detector to tell you what your body already feels. Ultimately, we are trying to affect the person, not a machine. However, the subject's entrainment process, to the applied psychoactive signal, can be verified using a standard EEG interface. I am not really interested in detecting scalars per se. But others have done this. >>> http://listserv.arizona.edu/lsv/www/quantum-mind.html. >> >Uh, I'm looking, can you perhaps provide a direct link to what >you consider relevant? At least a keyword? > >K. > I consider it all relevant. If you do a search for "ORCH OR", it should get you to Hameroff's orignal paper, and refs. A good overview. What is the connection between this and FE? It appears the mind is using an organic quantum process to tap the informational content of ZPE which thus governs our perception of reality. Somnoluminesence is another good line of inquiry. It describes the postulated energy conversion process. From this, we may be able to draw some technological analogies. Hope the above also assists with John's questions. Peter Nielsen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Dec 4 16:23:47 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA07490; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 16:23:36 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 16:23:36 -0800 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981205003019.0113aa50@popd.ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: atech@popd.ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 19:30:19 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: "Dennis C. Lee" Subject: Re: See notes...Re: Whistlers Resent-Message-ID: <"ZZWM2.0.xq1.7q7Qs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7910 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi; At 11:08 AM 12/5/98 +1100, you wrote: >>Again, the vector potential exists along with the ordinary >>magnetic field; we are being exposed to large vector potentials >>all the time. Why no effect? If an effect, why such >>a larger effect when small increases in potential occur? >> > >Perhaps we are confusing terminology. I was referring to my use of scalars, >or virtual potential fields in mood control devices. They are produced by >_cancellation_ of equal and opposite EM vectors. As such, they do not >coexist physically with their causal EM vectors. However, the body appears >to have receptors for these subtle forms of energy. David Hudson says monatomics are the superconducting life force element. The equal and opposite EM vectors don't quite cancel completely. He says they produce the Planck frequency which is tuned to the monatomic elements. (snip) Regards; Dennis Tall Ships http://pw1.netcom.com/~atech/tallship.html Concentric Tori http://pw1.netcom.com/~atech/GoldCTori_A.JPG From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Dec 4 18:05:09 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA05854; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 18:05:00 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 18:05:00 -0800 To: rwinches@tm.net Cc: freenrg-L@eskimo.com, JNaudin509@aol.com, harti@harti.com Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 05:27:21 -0800 Subject: re: energy from free electrons Message-ID: <19981205.060240.9190.0.tv@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-6,19-23,25-26,30-36,40-43,46-50 From: tv@juno.com (Tim Vaughan) Resent-Message-ID: <"TXD8O1.0.MR1.BJ9Qs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7911 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >So Tim, >Have you made any further progress on your 'theory' and hipotheses about = >collecting the energetic electrons? >Bob Winchester >rwinches@tm.net The idea is not to collect electrons, but to cause a transient coherence or ordering of the free electrons that are constantly moving in the crystal lattice of the copper in the wires. I am not basing this idea on others theories but on the observations of Joseph Newman, Leon Dragone, Dr. P.T. Pappas, Stephan Hartman and J.L. Naudin. Also it is based on the proven fact that there are electrons constantly moving through a metal as a result of "zero-point energy" of the electrons as well as thermal energy. The "zero-point energy" of the electrons is very large and would vaporize the metal if even a tiny fraction were to violate the pauli exclusion principle that keeps them in a sort of superconductive random perpetual motion. The random zero-point energy dues not result in a net current because there are just as many moving in one direction as another. Have you seen J. Naudin's intriguing self running demonstration ? It is found at: http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/delany/256/html/nwjlself.htm This is not yet a perpetual self running machine but it gives a hint that something strange seems to be happening ! Also Stephan Hartman has come up with the idea of combining the "Newman Effect" with an "aqua fuel" generator. This seems like a it might be a great way to capture the high energy transient pulses from the Newman coil. >P.S. You asked for feedback, and my concern is that you are taking = >others too much at their word in thier claims and it concerns me that = >your list of Facts are really just more theories about a long standing = >theory. All of the people above showed possibly anomolous effects involving large coils of wire in high voltage circuits. Joseph Newman's technonolgy will not be proven until a perpetual self running machine is demonstrated and replicated widely. >I enjoyed your article Tim Thanks for your comments. It is just an idea that came to me in 1988 after I saw a first hand of Leon Dragone's machine and he told me about his observations of a cooling effect in the large coil. Tim ( tv@juno.com ) ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Dec 4 18:25:09 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA14416; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 18:25:07 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 18:25:07 -0800 Message-ID: <36689CCA.FEB12CA7@harti.com> Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 03:39:06 +0100 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: leoguitar@vossnet.de Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l Subject: AquaFuel ! :) infos online ! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"iZH9V1.0.5X3.2c9Qs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7912 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com > Hi All, > > today I discovered a new method how to produce > efficiently AquaFuel ! :) > > All infos are now available under: http://www.overunity.com/afuel/ Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Dec 4 20:27:14 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA23618; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 20:27:10 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 20:27:10 -0800 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981205043358.01137618@popd.ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: atech@popd.ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 23:33:58 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: "Dennis C. Lee" Subject: Is there any law? Resent-Message-ID: <"PS3Ky1.0.xm5.TOBQs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7913 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com To Free Energy; I was wondering if there is any law against free energy/antigravity devices? Regards; Dennis Tall Ships http://pw1.netcom.com/~atech/tallship.html Concentric Tori http://pw1.netcom.com/~atech/GoldCTori_A.JPG From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Dec 4 20:51:38 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA00440; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 20:51:33 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 20:51:33 -0800 From: PetMagic@aol.com Message-ID: <85bb16d2.3668bb9d@aol.com> Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 23:50:37 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Cc: nichols@cybertyme.com, Terri Schoolden , lkvp@mail.awod.com, Vince Goetsch <3wishes@wishgranted.com>, richarda@icx.net, lizardhaven@zippnet.net, BB1050@aol.com, biotron@pacbell.net, trknute@earthlink.net, vortex-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: A simple exerimental suggestion, since you have an O2 tank... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 236 Resent-Message-ID: <"EBPFh.0.W6.KlBQs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7914 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi, Peter-- When oxygen passes through concentrated UV or a high-voltage corona, it is fused into ozones. Let's say, then, that these are are two examples of high- energy fields, of which there might be other types that would accomplish the same result. Ozone is particularly useful when infused into water; therefore, it would be beneficial to find a high-energy state intrinsic to water wherein the transmutation from oxygen to ozone would occur. PHASE 1 Dr. Flannigan said that there is a quasi-electrical force in a water vortex that can be produced "in no other way"; perhaps it would qualify as such a high-energy field. It would be simple to infuse oxygen (my friend David Nichols points out that the diffuser stone would be unnecessary) into water that's being agitated in a blender, and see if you smell ozone. If so, we're on the right track. PHASE 2 ...If not, the possibiltiy would remain that the combination of *two* forces--vortical and electric--would produce the requisite energy field. Since success of the first phase would still leave us in need of a free oxygen source, and since hydrolysis is that source, it seems inevitable that the two steps would be combined in one experiment: performing hydrolysis in a vortex--which might produce ozonated water in one step (and/or yield other interesting side-effects) I.e., hydrolysis + stirring, if efficacious, would be a more efficient path to ozonated water than hydrolysis + membrane separation --> O2 + high voltage + infusation. Permanent magnets could be affixed to the container as well, to further compliment the rationale of simultaneously combining multiple forces known to affect water structure. If stirred/magnetized water proved to be substitute for UV or high-voltage in ozone production, the gas could be harvested as it left the water--especially *hot* water--via the same membrane used to separate H from O (for immediate use). --Russ >> Hi Russ , Very good postulation. I will furnish ozone test strips for the experiment during our next meeting. The membrane would be handy to have to bump up the Ozone concentration. Without it, concentration may be below a measurable level. Peter From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Dec 4 22:14:30 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA27562; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 22:14:25 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 22:14:25 -0800 From: Keasy@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 01:13:30 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: 34AWG magnet wire Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 236 Resent-Message-ID: <"SyJ7a1.0.Zk6.1zCQs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7915 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com In a message dated 12/4/98 3:15:31 PM Pacific Standard Time, stk@sunherald.infi.net writes: << Where can I obtain 34AWG magnet wire in large amounts? I will need 25 kilometers of it. It does not have to be in this length, but many rolls of large amounts. Thanks, Kyle R. Mcallister >> Allied electronics has spools of 2400 meters (one pound) for $49.57, but you might be able to go directly to a manufacturer, Belden in this case, and get a better price since you need such a large amount. Ken Keasy@aol.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Dec 4 22:15:17 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA27938; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 22:15:11 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 22:15:11 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 01:24:36 -0600 To: "Jason" From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: Re: AquaFuel via Newman coil and 2 spark gaps produced ! New method discovered ! :) Resent-Message-ID: <"t9UaT1.0.Dq6.kzCQs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7916 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Jason wrote: >Possibly, however, from my impression the graphite electrodes are >required since >methane is supposed to be produced in the reaction. What is so special >about this >aqua fuel anyway (I apologize for not having the time to read the web- >page URL that was >posted a couple of weeks ago). It seems to me (on the surface anyway) >that this reaction >is simply the electrolysis of water into hydrogen and oxygen (or maybe >ozone?). I don't really >understand what is so special about this reaction. Dear Jason, I understand that previously, the costs involved in conventionally producing the high current necessary to effect the above process made it rather expensive. If the electrolysis of water can be effected from the high current produced WITHIN the operating system (rather than an externally applied high current), then 1) there would be a dramatic cost savings and 2) more importantly, it verifies that the large negative spikes produced by the Newman Motor/Generator technology does indeed consist of substantial current. The implications of this are significant. Best regards, Evan Soule' From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Dec 5 01:13:09 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id BAA31445; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 01:13:02 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 01:13:02 -0800 Message-ID: <3668F912.976298DE@GroupZ.net> Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 04:12:50 -0500 From: sno X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freenrg-l@eskimo.com" Subject: Freeware calculator & conversion program Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"588qT2.0.Dh7.TaFQs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7917 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Very good freeware programable caculator, Excalibur for Windows: http:\www.tiac.net/users/dber Freeware conversion program, also very good: http://www.joshmadison.com/software/ Have fun....steve From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Dec 5 01:31:46 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id BAA01501; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 01:31:44 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 01:31:44 -0800 Message-Id: <199812050931.BAA18512@mail-gw3.pacbell.net> X-Sender: flapwing@postoffice.pacbell.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 01:31:47 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Flapwing Subject: Re: Mu metal available In-Reply-To: <199812030928.BAA21813@mail-gw2.pacbell.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"4FYrb.0.IN.0sFQs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7918 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hello again, I have received requests for 7 meters of the material so far. We're almost halfway to the goal! Can I interest anyone else??? With all the interest in magnetics, scalar wave detection and such, this material should prove useful for shielding against those ornery magnetic flux lines. Maybe even SMOT type projects could benefit from a little judicious flux re-routing. Thank you, Frank ============================================== At 01:28 AM 12/3/98 , I wrote: >Greetings, > >If I can get definite commitments from folks for at least 1/2 the total quantity >of the Mu metal material, I will commit to purchasing the whole roll and will >offer it for $15.00 per linear meter, plus shipping, to interested parties. > >The material is 0.2mm x 200mm x approx 30 meters. Please take at least >1 meter, or feel free to grab up to 25 meters, first come first served. I want >the rest for myself. :-[] > >This offer is "as is" since I am buying unseen, and assumes the goods are >still available at the time of order. > >Please let me know soon if you are interested. > >Thank you, >Frank From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Dec 5 08:01:31 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id IAA28795; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 08:01:18 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 08:01:18 -0800 Posted-Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 17:58:00 +0300 (MEST) Message-ID: <366958D2.CF65C011@verisoft.com.tr> Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 18:01:22 +0200 From: hamdi ucar X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg Subject: Re: AquaFuel ! :) infos online ! References: <36689CCA.FEB12CA7@harti.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"QXXws3.0.q17.DZLQs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7919 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Stefan Hartmann wrote: > > > Hi All, > > > > today I discovered a new method how to produce > > efficiently AquaFuel ! :) > By a definition, aqua-fuel (may) contains O2, H2 and CH4, CO. Please do not breath the the gas that you produce. Regards, hamdi ucar From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Dec 5 08:13:47 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id IAA32204; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 08:13:44 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 08:13:44 -0800 Message-Id: <199812051613.KAA27111@dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com> Subject: Re: See notes...Re: Whistlers Date: Sat, 5 Dec 98 11:14:01 -0700 x-sender: perelman@popd.ix.netcom.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: perelman To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"gg69o2.0._s7.ukLQs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7920 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >We have done the type of blind experiment you suggest, in addition to other >input from nearly a hundred subjects over the past four years. Some have >had test units in their homes or workplaces for several years. > >Given sufficient output, only a small percentage have been unable to sense >the field. I hestitate to categorize, but they generally fall into a >certain personality type. But, I repeat, these are not simple bifilar coils. > >There is also no irritant factor. IOW, it feels natural. Interesting.. where could i find out more? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Dec 5 09:26:24 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA18194; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 09:26:16 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 09:26:16 -0800 From: PetMagic@aol.com Message-ID: <4a7e617d.36696c8f@aol.com> Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 12:25:35 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Mu metal available Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 236 Resent-Message-ID: <"f1vyA2.0.AS4.uoMQs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7921 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Frank, 2 meters, please - Which means $30.- + $ 10 for shipping hanling. Where shall I send the money order for $ 40.- ? Peter Seiler 909 Longview Street Greenboro, NC 27403 800-308-2563 Voicemail (I am on the road after sunday morning) 800-216-3133, PIN 5060923 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Dec 5 10:20:22 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA30593; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 10:20:16 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 10:20:16 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19981205132726.00c41b70@cnct.com> X-Sender: knagel@cnct.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 13:27:29 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Keith Nagel Subject: Re: See notes...Re: Whistlers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"1-1Z_2.0.sT7.VbNQs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7922 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 11:08 AM 12/5/98 +1100, you wrote: >Perhaps we are confusing terminology. I was referring to my use of scalars, >or virtual potential fields in mood control devices. They are produced by >_cancellation_ of equal and opposite EM vectors. As such, they do not >coexist physically with their causal EM vectors. However, the body appears >to have receptors for these subtle forms of energy. Yes on the confusion. Originally I was referring to the magnetic vector potential. Field cancellation does not cause the vector potential, rather one might say the potential causes the field. The odd thing about the magnetic vector potential is it's nonuniqueness; adding any gradient to the potential will not affect the resulting field. Similar to the scalar potential where you can offset by some constant and still get the same electric field. The classic detector for this field is an electron intereferometer. I really gathered this was the field you were referring to; or perhaps this was Bob Shannon? Anyway, I would still claim based on your definition that your field exists along with the electric and magnetic vectors. For if the result of cancellation is the production of this field, then I can easily combine two fields; one twice the intensity of the other and in opposition. Now, this is the same as two fields of equal value cancelling (producing your field) plus additional field of unit magnitude. If this is not true what you are talking about seems unnatural. For example, following this logic if I had one field of unit magnitude and one 99.999% of it in opposition, I get no "scalar". Now I add .001% and suddenly I get this full blown "scalar"... > >It is a relatively special case resulting in dimensional translation, >similar to the way an electron generates a magnetic field by assuming an >extra dimension of motion. Hence, we are not directly exposed to it "all >the time". In effect, the process is modulating the event horizon between >dimensions. > >>Agreed. It's easy to convince people of things that aren't there. >>Machines are another story... I'm not ignoring personal account, >>just looking for a mechanical detector. >> > >It's a bit like the weather, only internal. You don't need a detector to >tell you what your body already feels. Oh yes I do. You know, a few weeks back I was sick with the flu, and boy was it ever hot. I mean, I woke up sweating profusely. How could it get that hot in autumn? :^) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Dec 5 10:31:51 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA00508; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 10:31:48 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 10:31:48 -0800 Message-ID: <366972B2.EE531AFE@harti.com> Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 18:51:46 +0100 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: leoguitar@vossnet.de Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Newman-L Mailing List , Scott MacGregor , freenrg-l Subject: Re: AquaFuel via Newman coil and 2 spark gaps.... References: <01BE200A.4C141960.jwrinkle@utdallas.edu> <366978E0.7C1E@aasp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"iKQOS3.0.n7.JmNQs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7924 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Scott MacGregor wrote: > > > Lets get a few things cleared up before we get too far afield! > First of all: Since methane has NO odor, and since there has been NO > analysis of the gas produced, there is no reason to believe that it is > anything but H2 and O2.How Jean C.N. arrived at any other conclusion is > a mystery! Please go to: http://www.overunity.com/afuel and then to the link where the AquaFuel home page is located. There they have a report from NASA and other scientists, where they have analyzed the gas mixture produced. there is indeed a lot of Carbon-Monoxide produced, which seems to burn great with the also produced oxygen and hydrogen. Please have a look at the MPEG movies, where you can see, that big gas bubbles of this gas are produced, eactly only then, when the lightning strikes. The normal electrolysis of hydrogen and oxygen is much less gas, as you can see in the MPEG movies. ! > Secondly: He is NOT running a Newman motor to get the results! (whatever > they are) He is simply using the well understood self inductance of a > large coil of wire to produce a spark upon the collapse of its magnetic > field. I have been running the Newman motor in series with it and without it. (just the coil) I always get arcs under water and thus AquaFuel. Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Dec 5 10:31:51 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA00466; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 10:31:45 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 10:31:45 -0800 Message-ID: <36696AE5.1BD70670@harti.com> Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 18:18:29 +0100 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: leoguitar@vossnet.de Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Newman-L Mailing List CC: freenrg-l , Institute for Basic Research , Michael Kiser Subject: Re: AquaFuel via Newman coil and 2 spark gaps produced ! New method discovered ! :) References: <000601be1fda$7f8affa0$eb3747cf@mkiser> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"HevBv1.0.B7.GmNQs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7923 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Michael Kiser wrote: > > Hartman: > > Probably a better element source to replace your "graphite electrodes" would > be the Tungsten rods (about the same size as a pencil lead) which are used > in Tungsten Innert Gas welding machines-- also called TIG welders. These > machines are very common and the rods are available at any welding supply > shop. The tungsten rods can withstand the high temperatures generated by > electric arcs when welding even high-temp metals. Though the metal being > welded becomes molten by the arcing process, the Tungsten rods do not melt-- > They're very long lasting. > > Michael > > >Hi All, > > > >today I discovered a new method how to produce > >efficiently AquaFuel ! :) > > > >I tested my Newman machine while running with a water bath > >with 2 graphite electrodes in series with the Newman coil, > > Okay, I will check this out when I have more time. Thanks a lot for this information. Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Dec 5 10:32:01 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA00630; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 10:31:57 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 10:31:57 -0800 Message-ID: <36697E8C.DA57EAEA@harti.com> Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 19:42:20 +0100 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: leoguitar@vossnet.de Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: leoguitar@vossnet.de CC: Tim Vaughan , Motoe Suzuki , Jean Louis Naudin , Bob Shannon , dave dameron , Dieter Bauer , freenrg-l , Newman-L Mailing List , Evan Soule , "Sergey M.Godin" , Dave Wenbert , Institute for Basic Research Subject: Newman motor principles operation, a new way to explain it... References: <199811250307.AA00000@motoe.popsvr.tokai.jaeri.go.jp> <365BE46F.FE1B86EC@harti.com> <365EF761.778F8F9E@harti.com> <365F005E.CB487A91@harti.com> <366857A3.97ECC154@harti.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"p0EZW1.0.j9.TmNQs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7925 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi All, My experimenst on Friday 4th of Dec. 1998 have brought me to a new understanding of the Newman motor priniciple. 1. It seems the negative current spikes are scope artifacts, but there are BIG current spikes, but they are in the positive direction and come from the coil ! So they help the magnet rotation and acceleration ! Why ? a) a normal amperemeter just shows a positive input current, although I had on the scope only negative current displayed in one experiment with 2 spark gaps in series ! If I would have to calculate the RMS value of the input current due to the scope reading, it would be a total RMS of NEGATIVE input current. But the amperemeter in series, just shows a POSITIVE current value.... If there would be really this amount of negative current, then also the amperemeter would show a negative reading ! But it is positive all the time ! It seems this is really an artifact of the scope input, that at higher scope gain settings, the RF bursts which represent the output of the coil just overload the scope and also the floating ground , so that RF bursts are somehow rectified and displayed as negative current only inside the scope... instead as in lower gain settings as positive RF bursts only... b) I came to this upper conclusion by doing an experiment with the water bath as the on-off switch for the curent inside the Newman coil: When pulling one electrode out of the water, I had a noiseful arc going from the electrode down to the water surface. Then there is on the scope just a short positive big current spike ! About a few 10 mikroseconds long. No RF bursts ! No negative current spikes ! I guess this is simular to what really happens inside the commutator of the Newman motor. c) touching and feeling the torque onto the magnet rotor inside the coil shows NO NEGATIVE torque, when this negative current scope spike occurs ! This is very important !! It seems just to accelerate the rotor into the positive direction ! You can feel, that there is a big positive torque generated, when the arc appears at the commutator ! This is why Jean Louis Naudin had a faster spinning rotor, when he used "much negative current scope spikes" in his commutator setup. NORMALLY THESE NEGATIVE CURRENT PULSES SHOULD HAVE SLOWED DOWN THE ROTOR SPEED ! My conclusions are now: 1. A Newman coil current can jump to big values, what normal coils can´t do. 2. When the commutator opens the coil, the coil voltage goes extremely high until the arc is building up. This represenst a negative resistance and thus the stored energy of the magnetic field inside the coil and also the stored capacitance energy of the coil is "flushed" in one instance creating a very big positive current pulse, which the scope shows as an artifact as negative current spike. Indeed this current spike also produces a big magnetic H field inside the coil, which accelerates the magnet rotor. So Jean Louis could measure more mechanical out than electrical in. 3. It seems one really needs a magnet rotor inside the coil and thus build it as a motor to get this magnet acceleration effect and to get mechanical overunity. The dc component of the RF burst seems to accelerate the magnet rotor and produce the overunity output power. Also the RF bursts flow back to the batteries and make them last much longer, which Newman explained as "back charging". This is also why Newman never could show running the machine on a charged capacitor bank. It is just an RF current with a positive DC component, but not a real negative current.. 4. When I have put 2 spark gaps in series to switch the coil, I realized, that I could get better and longer "negative current scope spikes", so the new commutator design of Newman with several switches in series is a good way to achieve an even higher mechanical output, by making the RF burst current spikes bigger and longer ! 5. AquaFuel production verifies that big current pulses are produced by the coil and thus these big current pulses accelerate the rotor inside the coil. So much for today. I hope you can now better understand the technology. Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Dec 5 10:45:04 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA07056; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 10:45:01 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 10:45:01 -0800 Message-ID: <3669829F.7AB9189D@harti.com> Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 19:59:43 +0100 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: leoguitar@vossnet.de Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Newman-L Mailing List , freenrg-l Subject: Re: Greg Watson SMOT References: <01be2070$ad14cc80$9ab098ce@workstation-1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"yRqbd3.0.4k1.iyNQs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7926 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com > "C.J. Kuelzow" wrote: > > Hello, > Did anyone get a refund from him yet? No refund here yet ! He always told on the phone, that he shipped it, but it seems it was just a fraud. He probably never wanted to deliver anything... or was not able to produce the effect stable enough to deliver anything. Not refunding is indeed a case for the lawyers now.. Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Dec 5 17:41:04 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA03701; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 17:40:53 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 17:40:53 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3669DF7E.F4C513E5@ihug.co.nz> Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 14:35:59 +1300 From: John Berry X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, vortex-l@eskimo.com, KeelyNet@DallasTexas.net Subject: G force Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"gYFx31.0.fv.X2UQs"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7927 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com AG devices are meant to free the mass from gravitational fields but here is an important question, Unless you can to tune to the G field you want to repel of it will work on all G fields, So if something indiscriminately gets rid of all G fields what will be the result? What is the G force the sun gives the earth? I have never heard that answered and I have no clue if it's more or less than 1G. Further what is the rest of the galaxy and universe exerting? Will an AG device cancel G fields larger than the earths 1G? John Berry From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Dec 5 19:27:54 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA11072; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 19:27:35 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 19:27:35 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981206135736.00829a70@main.murray.net.au> X-Sender: egel@main.murray.net.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 13:57:36 +1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: GEOFF EGEL Subject: Re: 34AWG magnet wire In-Reply-To: <366887B5.78749F0E@sunherald.infi.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"ztC3B.0.ri2.ccVQs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7928 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 05:09 PM 12/4/98 -0800, you wrote: >All: > >Where can I obtain 34AWG magnet wire in large amounts? I will need 25 >kilometers of it. It does not have to be in this length, but many rolls >of large amounts. > >Thanks, >Kyle R. Mcallister > >Go to electric pump rewiring service in your area and ask where they get there magnet wiring from. They should be able tell you and then you can follow up their recomendation ,that how i found out ,it should work for you too Geoff Geoff http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135 Solaris searching for natures energy sources. Geoff Egel 18 Sturt Street Loxton 5333 South Australia Australia Phone (08) (8584 5201) Usually can be reached hereafter 6 pm local time (Monday - Saturday) Central Australian time others times you cannot be certain of getting me here. Like to hear from You, I expect this to apply only to Australian viewers From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Dec 5 19:33:07 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA13600; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 19:33:05 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 19:33:05 -0800 Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 22:24:11 -0500 (EST) From: John Schnurer To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: 34AWG magnet wire In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"gRIuN.0.MK3.lhVQs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7929 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Dear Kyle, Belden is one of the most costly sources. Go to Thomas Registry, or similar, and 'shop around' .... 1 pound for 50 bucks is VERY high.... If you find the right manufacturer it is entriely possible you can get a single spool [question them on spool types as you call around] which has all you want on it.... already as a coil. Be sure you ask if it a guranteed continuous length. Ususally if there is such a guarantee the manufacturer will 'bring out' the start and the end of the spool, so you [the customer] can check this. I have many times used spools from mfg as the coil.... somtimes I have to cut away part of the inside of the spool. J On Sat, 5 Dec 1998 Keasy@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/4/98 3:15:31 PM Pacific Standard Time, > stk@sunherald.infi.net writes: > > << > Where can I obtain 34AWG magnet wire in large amounts? I will need 25 > kilometers of it. It does not have to be in this length, but many rolls > of large amounts. > > Thanks, > Kyle R. Mcallister > >> > Allied electronics has spools of 2400 meters (one pound) for $49.57, but you > might be able to go directly to a manufacturer, Belden in this case, and get a > better price since you need such a large amount. > Ken Keasy@aol.com > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Dec 5 19:47:37 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA19326; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 19:47:30 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 19:47:30 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981206141728.0083f240@main.murray.net.au> X-Sender: egel@main.murray.net.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 14:17:28 +1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: GEOFF EGEL Subject: Re: Is there any law? In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19981205043358.01137618@popd.ix.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"g4mqc1.0.tj4.IvVQs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7930 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 11:33 PM 12/4/98 -0500, you wrote: >To Free Energy; > If some big company going to lose money on by it use I sure somebody has tried. remmember early days of flight people were banned from doing it. Geoff >I was wondering if there is any law against free energy/antigravity devices? > > >Regards; >Dennis > > >Tall Ships >http://pw1.netcom.com/~atech/tallship.html > > >Concentric Tori >http://pw1.netcom.com/~atech/GoldCTori_A.JPG > > Geoff http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135 Solaris searching for natures energy sources. Geoff Egel 18 Sturt Street Loxton 5333 South Australia Australia Phone (08) (8584 5201) Usually can be reached hereafter 6 pm local time (Monday - Saturday) Central Australian time others times you cannot be certain of getting me here. Like to hear from You, I expect this to apply only to Australian viewers From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Dec 6 00:56:33 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id AAA17875; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 00:56:31 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 00:56:31 -0800 Message-ID: <01e001be20f6$346c29a0$14ea39cc@default> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: Whistlers Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 00:49:15 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"CP4t2.0.8N4.-QaQs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7932 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Peter, > >For simplicity, I kept only the schematic for the amp and filters, if that >is of interest. Little did I know it was going to become a collector's >item. Borderland Science may have a copy of the entire paper. I'll check with them. > >>Why use an audio carrier, instead of just the signal itself? >> > >1) It increases power density while retaining the psychoactive quality. Makes sense. To >ensure its neutrality, I often use the "OM" frequency of 136.5 Hz. However, >"beneficial" frequencies, such as those proposed by Rife, can also be >enlisted. Microwaves will target specific tissue structures with high power >levels, but, broadly speaking, introduce unnecessary complications. That is the published research, with military applications. > >2) Audio signals are easy to process. You can use standard AC-coupled amps >and step-up transformers. > >3) Unnerving electronic feedback between the acquired and output signal is >eliminated. > >4) You don't need a license to "broadcast" audio. Its traditionally >accepted, limited range of propagation can be extended using a scalar mode >of emission. Of course, this is not so necessary if you use an encircling >coil like Beck. Again, makes total sense. > >I am not aware there are significant levels of artifact in the region of >interest below 10-20 Hz. Anything above you filter out, as is done in any >EEG amp. It really depends on the area you are in, I guess. I have one paper where schumann signals were recorded in Tokyo on top of a roof, but this used a two-antenna scheme with phase cancellation. There was considerable artificial noise, I would have to go back and dig it up to see how much. Another paper talks about trains being a major source at 16 Hz, but it seems like that could be notched out easily enough. > >Sorry if this is a bit off-topic for this list. Doesn't seem like it to me. Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Dec 6 00:56:33 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id AAA17832; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 00:56:22 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 00:56:22 -0800 Message-ID: <01dc01be20f6$2e54b6e0$14ea39cc@default> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Hutchison Effect WAS Idea, plasmas, and the Newman machine Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 00:22:31 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"VxGJ81.0.XM4.sQaQs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7931 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Folks, A while back, Bob Shannon wrote: Also potentially important is the fact that Hutchison was able to reproduce many of his effects WITHOUT equipment of any form. >> >> Hi Bob >> >> It seems like I am bugging you a lot for references but I just can't >> pass this one up. Where did you learn this? > >This story was related to me by a researcher who traveled (from the >U.K.) to meet Hutchinson and verify the reports. Hutchinson told the >investigators about this skill, and apparently gave a small >demonstration of this ability. I just got a response from John. He says, I quote: "This "psychokinetic abilities" idea got started during the Pharos project when some scientists who could not explain the effects, made the assumption that I was an "adept," because the equipment "seemed to work better with me present." (Think about it)" I think this settles the question. Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Dec 6 09:05:00 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA07448; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 09:04:46 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 09:04:46 -0800 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981206171132.011d5ba4@popd.ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: atech@popd.ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 12:11:32 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: "Dennis C. Lee" Subject: Re: Whistlers Resent-Message-ID: <"GQWt03.0.Hq1.jahQs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7933 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi; At 08:12 PM 11/30/98 -0800, you wrote: >Keith Nagel wrote: (snip) >If we alter the phase of electron wave functions at the highly >non-linear ionic junctions between neurons, we can alter the encoding of >data within >the brain itself. > >Some theories go so far as to suggest that the brain uses quantum >computational, holographic, and even Bose Eienstine Condenstate-like >processes in its operation. These effects could be effected more >directly >with the free vector potential field if these theories hold water. David Hudson supposedly purchased a pig brain from a local market and acid washed all the organic material away. What was left was a good quantity of monatomic rhodium and monatomic irridium. These materials are reportedly BEC superconductors and the source of our life force energies. Regards; Dennis Tall Ships http://pw1.netcom.com/~atech/tallship.html Concentric Tori http://pw1.netcom.com/~atech/GoldCTori_A.JPG From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Dec 6 10:57:05 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA07110; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 10:57:00 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 10:57:00 -0800 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981206190348.011d3e50@popd.ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: atech@popd.ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 14:03:48 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: "Dennis C. Lee" Subject: National Security (was Re: Zero-point Entertainment Inc) Resent-Message-ID: <"aBJxh2.0.yk1.yDjQs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7934 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi; At 10:26 PM 11/30/98 -0800, you wrote: >On Mon, 30 Nov 1998, Dennis C. Lee wrote: > >> At 08:36 PM 11/29/98 -0800, you wrote: >> > http://www.zpfilms.com/films.html (snip) >Before assuming anything, go read the entire blurb on that website. The >videotape is $60, titled "The Don Smith Device: Free Energy at Last." It >claims to show a "working prototype" Free Energy Device. "With this video >you will learn how to build your own free energy device!" > >> Perhaps >> this person is not aware of the presence of you webpage. > >This shouldn't matter one way or the other, since Don Smith has been >involved with FE/OU for years. > >> He states the >> phrase free energy. Is this equivilent in definition to OU? > >Yep. I think Don Smith is the editor of the free energy publication >"Space Energy Association journal" (or at least is a major contributor.) >However, there is the chance that the zpfilms.com people created that >ad without Don's knowledge, and he is therefor not a part of the stuff. I might think it worth a try since Mr. Smith has a background in the field. >> The reaction I >> read in the snipped part of this message would discourage me from further >> investigation on this design given the stature of your position in this >> field. > >Hmmm, I never considered my stature being such a problem. I'm a >dilletante, a F/E fan with a website, I don't do actual experiments >myself, so I would hope that people would not give my opinions as much >weight as those of the major players in the FE field. > > >If this Don Smith device is real... if it is the device which finally >blows >the gates to free energy research wide open, then I am wrong and I owe >many people a major apology. But if the device is yet another mistake, >NOBODY SHOULD BE SPENDING $60 ON THE VIDEOTAPE!!!! And if the device is >not guaranteed to be real, then their present ad is highly misleading. >The whole thing strikes me as NOT a method to get information out to the >public or to the FE community, but as a just a dishonest ploy to sell >videotapes. > >If thousands of people are pursuing "buried treasure," and along comes >someone who is selling "real" treasure maps for $60, should you instantly >whip out your wallet? Or should you think twice and then ask "why is this >guy messing around with treasure maps SINCE HE HAS MADE THE DISCOVERY OF >THE CENTURY?!!" Maybe because the "treasure maps" are not as real as the >claims make them out to be? There's the old 'National Security' excuse they might pull out of mothballs. Jed Rothwell said that Stan Meyer's last act was to run out of a restaraunt screaming that 'they' finally poisoned him. At which point, he collapsed dead. Is this true? He supposedly built OU hydrogen electrolytic generators for the government. Jed said that he was delerious from brain lesions or something like that. I think that whole matter kind of stinks. I don't see how national security is compromised either. What if everyone had one of those generators? So what. What if all electricity were free? So what. Things might be less expensive. So what. We might all be able to spend more time doing art. Oh No! We wouldn't want something like that now would we? I'd like a specific accounting of how Free Energy is a threat to 'National Security' succinctly explained completely, in writing. Can anyone do it? If not, it may be that those who interfere with Free Energy are really commiting acts of TREASON. We the citizens, who are the constituents of the NATION, are having poor future outlooks because of our present energy/transportation system. It may very well be that 'National Security' is being jeapodized by NOT allowing Free Energy / Antigravity devices to be marketed. >> Perhaps opinions should remain conservative in conditions such as >> this until somebody buys the tape, builds the device, and has a peer group >> study how well the prototype produced adheres to the specifications stated >> in the tape. > >A good plan. But I think the producers of this tape should have already >done just this sort of testing before claiming in their advertizement that >the device really works, and before claiming to give instructions so you >can build your own. They may have seen something that convinced them it was so. Video tape manufacture and marketing was probably what they were good at. If they said "come and try to duplicate this device, >see if the inventor's claims are in fact genuine" then I wouldn't have >any complaints. Perhaps people would even pay $60 for information about a >new experimental avenue in FE research. But a hell of a lot MORE people >would pay for plans to a REAL device! If you wanted to check designs and principals of function by building proof prototypes as a service for the rest of us, I would think you that deserved increased rewards for such effort in the possible form of donations from subscribers. >As I said before, I have no problems with people selling books or info on >free energy. My beef is not with the ones who publish things about the >search for the "treasure," or who supply tools to the searchers. My beef >is with the ones who claim to have already discovered the "treasure", and >will sell anyone a real "map" to it... for only $60. I might consider the 'National Security' phenomenon a deterent for most law abiding people. We should have this 'National Security' reasoning, that is used against Free Energy / Antigravity technology, fully explained and rationalized in realistic terms by those who wish to use that kind of 'logic'. I have downloaded President Clinton's Executive Order #12958 - Classified National Security Information. http://www.spb.gov/html/12958.html I recommend that everyone download and study this document. I find the definition of 'damage' or 'threat' to 'National Security' inadequate, vague, and undefined in terms of what's in the interest of the good of the people. I will be referring back to this document in future posts as I cover other research relating to the above issues. Or will such efforts also be considered... Regards; Dennis c.c. President Clinton Tall Ships http://pw1.netcom.com/~atech/tallship.html Concentric Tori http://pw1.netcom.com/~atech/GoldCTori_A.JPG From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Dec 6 12:24:47 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA30819; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 12:24:37 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 12:24:37 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19981206144142.00c50100@cnct.com> X-Sender: knagel@cnct.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 15:31:56 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Keith Nagel Subject: Re: Whistlers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"NFRZX.0.SX7.4WkQs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7935 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi. To prevent confusion, I didn't write what was printed below. It behooves us to check when auto-replying that quotes and the like match up to authors. K. At 12:11 PM 12/6/98 -0500, you wrote: >At 08:12 PM 11/30/98 -0800, you wrote: >>Keith Nagel wrote: > >(snip) > >>If we alter the phase of electron wave functions at the highly >>non-linear ionic junctions between neurons, we can alter the encoding of >>data within >>the brain itself. >> >>Some theories go so far as to suggest that the brain uses quantum >>computational, holographic, and even Bose Eienstine Condenstate-like >>processes in its operation. These effects could be effected more >>directly >>with the free vector potential field if these theories hold water. > >David Hudson supposedly purchased a pig brain from a local market and acid >washed all the organic material away. What was left was a good quantity of >monatomic rhodium and monatomic irridium. These materials are reportedly BEC >superconductors and the source of our life force energies. > > >Regards; >Dennis > > > >Tall Ships >http://pw1.netcom.com/~atech/tallship.html > > >Concentric Tori >http://pw1.netcom.com/~atech/GoldCTori_A.JPG > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Dec 6 13:12:13 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA08741; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 13:12:10 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 13:12:10 -0800 From: Keasy@aol.com Message-ID: <7432346b.366af300@aol.com> Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 16:11:28 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: magnet wire, etc. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 236 Resent-Message-ID: <"6BBAm.0.U82.fClQs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7936 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Speaking of magnet wire, I have been looking for insulated wire with the wire a high magnetic permeability material. I'd be happy with wire of any reasonable guage. Does anyone know of a source for insulated high mu wire? Ken Keasy@aol.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Dec 6 13:55:42 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA20932; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 13:55:14 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 13:55:14 -0800 Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 13:54:59 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199812062154.NAA25840@hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: dave dameron Subject: Re: magnet wire, etc. Resent-Message-ID: <"Nn17D3.0.w65.2rlQs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7937 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Ken and all, At 04:11 PM 12/6/98 EST, you wrote: >Speaking of magnet wire, I have been looking for insulated wire with the wire >a high magnetic permeability material. I'd be happy with wire of any >reasonable guage. Does anyone know of a source for insulated high mu wire? > Ken Keasy@aol.com I remember seeing enameled Nickel wire a while back at a surplus store. That wouldn't be high enough mu, would it? Other than spraying wire with polyurethane spray, am looking for suitable enamel formula's. -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Dec 6 15:14:17 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA15317; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 15:14:10 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 15:14:10 -0800 From: trknute@earthlink.net Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981128220548.008d2100@earthlink.net> X-Sender: trknute@earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 22:05:48 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: National Security Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"u3OpV2.0.Al3.2_mQs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7938 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com National Security and the Hydrogen age! There is much to be said about Hydrogen being the fuel of the future! It is most abundant, and thousands of companies have clear methods of producing it in large quantities. It is stored, transported, and used industrially every day. The mechanisms for safe use of this gas are firmly in place for industry. Every Glass manufacturing or processing plant in the US, uses hydrogen to augment the thermal yields of their furnaces. Steel are made using a hydrogen process that totally avoids the negatives of the coke based heating system. No pollution! Fuel cell systems founded in 1839, are now used on all Space Flights and the Ballard Company is using these fuel cell technologies to power busses, sold internationally. The use of hydrogen is infinitely more safe in domestic heating, as the gas can not form partial pressures necessary for combustion if a leak were to occur. The gas being lighter than air rises away from any ignition source and even in the most weather tight home, will migrate out the tinniest of crack to then dissipate into the open air. The combustion of hydrogen in a closed room, leaves only, water vapor and Nitrous-oxide, as a by product as a result of burning in a Nitrogen rich, air environment. Non poisonous, NOs are easily dealt with through the flews associated with any conventional heating system. The clear safety comes from the lack of CO2 production, now the leading killer, in well insolated homes where flue pipes have been blocked and using natural gas. Hydrogen can quickly be combined with free energy systems of all type to then store energy as gasses to eventually be used either as heat, (Thermal), or electricity (Fuel cell). The output of all free energy devices, OU, Wind, Hydro Electric and Solar Cells, then has the ability to be stored until needed, transported at will, and used by all. In 1963, GM demonstrated the Hydrogen powered car, and they toured all of the United States. They used metal hydrides in a tank to store the hydrogen gas safely. Even a rifle shot could not set off this storage, as the hydrogen gas is stored in the matrix of the compound with no malformation of the compounds. There plan for delivery infrastructure was to have a small plenum thank of indestructible design, receive a shot, if you will, of highly compressed Hydrogen. The plenum, would then slowly bleed into the Hydride storage tank at a prescribed rate. Hydrides absorb hydrogen slowly, but by using a plenum, this would happen as you used your car. As the pressure of the hydride storage would be reduced, the feed of hydrogen to the output of the tank is then regulated and metered, as demand required. A simple diaphragm carburetor, is then used to add the hydrogen to the "stack" of a conventional Gasoline carburetor, allowing the cars to be multi fueled. They could run on either Hydrogen or gas. This exact system, is used on propane/gasoline, powered forklifts today. The key to domestic use, was the failsafe, Keyed and latched fill nozzle, if not inserted into the receiver correctly no gas can flow. The Value of their work was that minor modifications were needed to existing internal combustion engines, and they would run pollution free. Following the death of John Kennedy the project was scraped. The safety standards, transportation regulations, storage controls, and High pressure transfer systems for tankers of hydrogen, are all in place today. Hydrogen is shipped, piped, stored and used in every major city on earth. Thousands of inventors have successfully developed cars that replicate the work done by GM. We go to the moon on hydrogen. In the 1980s a German company developed a "bread box" size flash boiler that used hydrogen and oxygen to form an output of pure steam for the adaptation of steam power plants to the use of Hydro-oxy based steam/electrical generation. Burners that can sustain hydrogen for use in stoves ovens, water and space heaters can be made for pennies, from porous ceramics, and they are washable. All the systems are in place to quickly implement a change to Hydrogen fuels. But the government can not act nor will act without the will of the people. For every person who will tell the truth there are a thousand experts that will lie. Considering that these experts have there futures at stake, professionally, how many will rise up on the side of opposition to the petrochemical industry. The recent debacle with our President, should give you some indication of the political back bone of our nation. When asked if Impeachment should go forward, the majority of Joe 6packs said things like, "well he is doing a good job". What did they mean, that he had not taken advantage, of a starry, eyed groupie? That he had not lied under oath, and on television? That those acts in them selves are not an obstruction of justice, namely to lie, the foundations of the issue of perjury. No, they feel that there lot in life is OK, so why make a big deal of principles. How many Americans were worried about $2.00 per gallon, gasoline costs, if the Gulf War, were to be a failure. Were we willing to sacrifice our young men for warmth and transportation? The evil of Hussein aside, can anyone of us deny, that oil and our precious cars did not play a part? As we sanctimoniously sit here, working our hearts out, seeking answers to the energy crises, how many have taken to driving less or consolidating trips in our cars, for purely environmental reasons? At the drop of a hat, we will jump on a soot belching, kerosene burning aircraft, to travel thousands of miles to attend this Tesla conference, or that free energy symposium. Ever stop to think, if free energy did exist, would it be used? Would it be allowed? Exxon Mobile, is now going to be the largest Company in the United States. Millions of jobs are directly under their control, and the critical commodity to us all, energy and transportation has just been consolidated even further, but do we care? No! But, we will cheer on Janet Reno, as she hammers on Bill Gates, for producing a product that seems to be gathering too much of the market. The advent of cheep communication and the success of the computer industry, has probable done more for the environment than any researcher in free energy ever will. Snail mail alone, has had the relief of millions tons of mail that now passes electronically. And what is to be said of the environmental movement as a whole. Green Peace, collects millions each year by playing that tired old video of those brave guys in that Zodiac boat, attacking that whaling ship. Have you ever stopped to think that those guys are now approaching senior citizen status. How many, alternative energy projects, are funded by The Green Peace movement? If there is no dispute that the hydrogen age is upon us, and all conventional scientists are convinced that hydrogen will be the fuel of the future, and shows the most promise, where are the universities that offer advanced engineering degrees in Hydrogen sciences? None, lads, none! Oh, every major campus has a hydrogen program of some type, usually housed in a building way off in the back forty. It is the "Mushroom Theory", at it's best, "Feed them shit, and keep them in the dark". It gets down to will! The will to demand change! The will to compile the evidence, to present the case that the time for change has come! How many elections had on the platform, the advancement of hydrogen as a campaign issue? Every scientist says it is so, but they say it under their breath, and with many qualifying comments. The Columbia river alone produces enough electricity to supply the Western United States with all the hydrogen it would ever need, and in the off ours when demand is low. Electrolytic conversion water is easily performed at 80% efficiencies. If we just let the oxygen go to waste to the atmosphere, it would replace the output of a billion trees, stick that in your rain forest and smoke it. It all comes down to Balls! The oil companies will simply discredit anyone who brings these facts out. They will destroy you, and have the government to back them up. If you doubt me for one minute, just try! All the best TR Knudtson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Dec 6 15:54:44 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA27151; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 15:54:41 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 15:54:41 -0800 Message-ID: <366B1963.DAAB8D77@GroupZ.net> Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 18:55:15 -0500 From: sno X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freenrg-l@eskimo.com" Subject: Parts from CAD drawing Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"NuC8a2.0.8e6.0bnQs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7939 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Someone asked about getting a part made from CAD drawing, awhile back....I think it was here on freenrg....anyway here is place on line.... http://www.partsnow.com/ Hope this gets to who needs it....steve From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Dec 6 16:06:46 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA30171; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 16:06:43 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 16:06:43 -0800 From: JNaudin509@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 19:05:44 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Look at this if you are interested by AquaFuel(tm)... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.i for Windows 95 sub 127 Resent-Message-ID: <"liWNJ1.0.KN7.ImnQs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7940 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi All, If you are interested by a very simple AquaFuel(tm) generator...look at this : http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/delany/256/html/aquagen.htm I think that this will interest you.... Regards Jean-Louis Naudin From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Dec 6 18:21:02 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA05686; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 18:20:58 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 18:20:58 -0800 Message-ID: <366B3D04.7FB1@keelynet.com> Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 20:27:16 -0600 From: "Jerry W. Decker" Reply-To: jdecker@keelynet.com Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Water as Fuel Scam on EXTRA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"qWqA31.0.lO1.AkpQs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7941 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Folks! In case you didn't get a chance to see it yet, the TV show EXTRA did a test on the gullibility of people when presented with an 'impossible' claim and were given an 'opportunity' to buy the product. In one way, it is frustrating to watch something like this but it does show how con artists can fluorish in the alternative science arenas because basically 'people want to believe'. In Dallas, the segment was shown on Channel 27 at 7:45PM 12/06/98 on EXTRA and entitled 'Run your car on water?' The female narrator introduced the segment saying, this was a con that dates back nearly a century. Even Henry Ford paid a conman $10,000 for a formula that was supposed to make comubustible water. The scam used props that were simply plastic enclosed MAPP sensors which were billed as 'Hydrogen Converter modules' that required no fuel, just water. The narrator said though there was no such thing as a hydro processor as they claimed the show wanted to see how many people would invest in such a scam. The show was setup outdoors in the parking lot of a shop in Tempe, Arizona. The system sold for $250, which consisted of the plastic enclosed MAPP sensors and connection instructions. A truck that looked like a Ford Explorer was used as the demonstration vehicle and had a sign on the windows saying water powered car, hand written with shoe polish. A handful of these MAPP sensors, a TV with a promotional video explaining the system and including fake testimonials raving about the product. The actual demonstration showed a gallon of water being poured into the gas tank of the truck, the truck was then started up and supposed to be running on the water. In fact, a secret hidden hose shunted the water away from the gas tank so that the vehicle was actually burning gasoline. The promoter rambled on with various octane ratings and claimed that high octane gasoline had an octane rating of 92 while this system burned water with an octane rating of 106. The narrator admitted he had no idea what he was talking about but the people did not question what he said. One guy gave a deposit of $100 and was to bring the rest of the money later. The narrator said on his drive from California to Arizona he routinely filled his car up on water, not gasoline and it didn't cost him a penny. He said hydrogen didn't blow up with this system and that there was a 100% guarantee. One guy who saw the system even wanted to become a dealer for this product. They showed 3 men who had fallen for the pitch and actually bought the units, however, not a single woman fell for it. All the money was refunded when the scam was revealed. ================== What to make of this? Ask P.T. Barnum and have your wife, girlfriend or lady friend check out your potential investments......... To my understanding; 1) There is no question hydrogen burns. 2) There is no question hydrogen can be generated from water. 3) There is no question that hydrogen burning in an engine can provide sufficient thrust to push a piston. If burning pure hydrogen, the problem lies with embrittlement of the metal of the engine, making the engine subject to damage from mechanical shocks, or from weakening of the cylinder walls from the excess heat from hydrogen combustion. If burning hydrogen with oxygen, the problem lies in the production of water when the two gases recombine in the presence of a spark, thereby rusting the engine. The closest solution I've seen was that of Dad Garrett as laid out in the file; http://www.keelynet.com/energy/garrett.htm where hydrogen, oxygen and outside air are burned in the engine as was done in the 1930's. -- Jerry Wayne Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-3501 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Dec 6 19:29:53 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA31636; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 19:29:44 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 19:29:44 -0800 From: HLafonte@aol.com Message-ID: <1bacd540.366b4b45@aol.com> Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 22:28:05 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Site updated with flux paths Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 49 Resent-Message-ID: <"g8iyt3.0.4k7.ckqQs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7942 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com LaFonte Research Site 1 or http://members.aol.com/_ht_b/HLafonte/lafonteresearchsite1web.html From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Dec 6 19:33:32 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA00423; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 19:33:30 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 19:33:30 -0800 From: mindtech@nor.com.au Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981207134634.0073d294@pophost.nor.com.au> X-Sender: mindtech@pophost.nor.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 13:46:34 +1100 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: See notes...Re: Whistlers In-Reply-To: <199812051613.KAA27111@dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Ag8W-2.0.W6.AoqQs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7943 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >>Given sufficient output, only a small percentage have been unable to sense >>the field. I hestitate to categorize, but they generally fall into a >>certain personality type. But, I repeat, these are not simple bifilar coils. >> >Interesting.. where could i find out more? > I am working on a website, but it is still a few months away from completion. I will notify the relevant lists when it is up. Thanks for your interest. Peter Nielsen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Dec 6 19:39:13 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA24546; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 19:38:48 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 19:38:48 -0800 (PST) From: mindtech@nor.com.au Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981207135536.0073e744@pophost.nor.com.au> X-Sender: mindtech@pophost.nor.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 13:55:36 +1100 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: See notes...Re: Whistlers In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19981205132726.00c41b70@cnct.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"LlJOk2.0.K_5.5tqQs"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7944 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >Anyway, I would >still claim based on your definition that your field exists >along with the electric and magnetic vectors. > That depends on what you mean by "along with". Scalars are said not to propagate in the physical domain. Yet they do coexist in a "higher" dimension relative to their causal EM in the lower. >For if the result of cancellation is the production of this >field, then I can easily combine two fields; one twice the >intensity of the other and in opposition. Now, this is the >same as two fields of equal value cancelling (producing your >field) plus additional field of unit magnitude. If this is >not true what you are talking about seems unnatural. For >example, following this logic if I had one field of unit >magnitude and one 99.999% of it in opposition, I get no >"scalar". Now I add .001% and suddenly I get this full >blown "scalar"... > But you can't have half a scalar. The convergence must reduce to a point, where all force is zeroed. Otherwise they find a path of escape. A field is not a discrete entity. If you look at individual electrons, this "perfect" cancellation makes more sense. I believe the pattern of cancellation somehow conditions the scalar product. IOW it carries information pertaining to the emitter's configuration. Peter Nielsen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Dec 6 20:39:16 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA26841; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 20:39:07 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 20:39:07 -0800 Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 23:31:07 -0500 (EST) From: John Schnurer To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Whistlers In-Reply-To: <01e001be20f6$346c29a0$14ea39cc@default> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"p4ByC3.0.IZ6.glrQs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7945 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Schematic for what? See flag.. On Sun, 6 Dec 1998, Fred Epps wrote: > Hi Peter, -----------Flag----------------------------- > >For simplicity, I kept only the schematic for the amp and filters, if > that > >is of interest. Little did I know it was going to become a collector's > >item. Borderland Science may have a copy of the entire paper. > > I'll check with them. > > > >>Why use an audio carrier, instead of just the signal itself? > >> > > > >1) It increases power density while retaining the psychoactive quality. > > Makes sense. > > To > >ensure its neutrality, I often use the "OM" frequency of 136.5 Hz. > However, > >"beneficial" frequencies, such as those proposed by Rife, can also be > >enlisted. Microwaves will target specific tissue structures with high > power > >levels, but, broadly speaking, introduce unnecessary complications. > > That is the published research, with military applications. > > > >2) Audio signals are easy to process. You can use standard AC-coupled > amps > >and step-up transformers. > > > >3) Unnerving electronic feedback between the acquired and output signal > is > >eliminated. > > > >4) You don't need a license to "broadcast" audio. Its traditionally > >accepted, limited range of propagation can be extended using a scalar > mode > >of emission. Of course, this is not so necessary if you use an > encircling > >coil like Beck. > > Again, makes total sense. > > > >I am not aware there are significant levels of artifact in the region > of > >interest below 10-20 Hz. Anything above you filter out, as is done in > any > >EEG amp. > > It really depends on the area you are in, I guess. I have one paper > where schumann signals were recorded in Tokyo on top of a roof, but this > used a two-antenna scheme with phase cancellation. There was > considerable artificial noise, I would have to go back and dig it up to > see how much. Another paper talks about trains being a major source at > 16 Hz, but it seems like that could be notched out easily enough. > > > >Sorry if this is a bit off-topic for this list. > > Doesn't seem like it to me. > > Fred > What are you writing about? > > JHS From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Dec 6 21:20:48 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA09553; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 21:20:38 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 21:20:38 -0800 Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 00:12:34 -0500 (EST) From: John Schnurer To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: See notes...Re: Whistlers In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19981207135536.0073e744@pophost.nor.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"J4VTF1.0.oK2.aMsQs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7946 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Q: What does IOW mean? Q: What are these emitters? On Mon, 7 Dec 1998 mindtech@nor.com.au wrote: > >Anyway, I would > >still claim based on your definition that your field exists > >along with the electric and magnetic vectors. > > > > That depends on what you mean by "along with". Scalars are said not to > propagate in the physical domain. Yet they do coexist in a "higher" > dimension relative to their causal EM in the lower. > > >For if the result of cancellation is the production of this > >field, then I can easily combine two fields; one twice the > >intensity of the other and in opposition. Now, this is the > >same as two fields of equal value cancelling (producing your > >field) plus additional field of unit magnitude. If this is > >not true what you are talking about seems unnatural. For > >example, following this logic if I had one field of unit > >magnitude and one 99.999% of it in opposition, I get no > >"scalar". Now I add .001% and suddenly I get this full > >blown "scalar"... > > > > But you can't have half a scalar. The convergence must reduce to a point, > where all force is zeroed. Otherwise they find a path of escape. > > A field is not a discrete entity. If you look at individual electrons, this > "perfect" cancellation makes more sense. I believe the pattern of > cancellation somehow conditions the scalar product. IOW it carries > information pertaining to the emitter's configuration. > > Peter Nielsen > > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Dec 7 01:24:47 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id BAA31551; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 01:24:43 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 01:24:43 -0800 Message-ID: <366B9BEC.23329F5@harti.com> Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 10:12:12 +0100 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: leoguitar@vossnet.de Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, Jean Louis Naudin , Newman-L Mailing List Subject: Better Newman electrical input test...etc... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"GjodS.0.ui7.QxvQs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7947 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi JL, as the Newman coil current spikes seems to influence scopes too muchs, maybe you can test and measure your electrical input power as outlined in this circuit diagram (enclosed as GIF File in this email) This way you can measure a pure DC input current and a pure DC input voltage and thus Volts x Ampere will give the electrical input power. Please let me know the mechanical output versus electrical input of your Newman motor measured this way. 2. The fast switching high voltage diode accross your commutator could recharge the supply capacitor ! Try it this way. 3. Try to make your commutator wet with water. Try to see, what kind of back current spikes you will get then on your scope, when the sparks jump off from the water surface !! Good luck ! Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Dec 7 01:33:03 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id BAA01185; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 01:33:01 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 01:33:01 -0800 Message-ID: <366BA446.B0511929@harti.com> Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 10:47:50 +0100 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: leoguitar@vossnet.de Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, Jean Louis Naudin , Newman-L Mailing List Subject: Better Newman electrical input test...etc... References: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------0B209E36743ED409AEA5CF45" Resent-Message-ID: <"yAk0s2.0.NI.C3wQs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7948 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------0B209E36743ED409AEA5CF45 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi JL, as the Newman coil current spikes seems to influence scopes too muchs, maybe you can test and measure your electrical input power as outlined in this circuit diagram (enclosed as GIF File in this email) This way you can measure a pure DC input current and a pure DC input voltage and thus Volts x Ampere will give the electrical input power. Please let me know the mechanical output versus electrical input of your Newman motor measured this way. 2. The fast switching high voltage diode accross your commutator could recharge the supply capacitor ! Try it this way. 3. Try to make your commutator wet with water. Try to see, what kind of back current spikes you will get then on your scope, when the sparks jump off from the water surface !! Good luck ! Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. 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My worry would only be why he would choose to discuss the issues of hydrogen imbrittlement and water production as a internal rusting agent in the damaging if internal combustion engines in a letter that supposedly reviews a "scam replication" of the con work of many over the past century. Are we talking Water pill formulas here or hydrogen combustion. The touch of adding a quote from PT Barnum, is well into the apparent shift in the post as he moves on to talk of particulars of hydrogen combustion. I wonder what purpose the elicitation of emotive associations to the legendary con, of Barnum has in a scientific review? > >Hydrogen use in internal combustion engines is well documented to cause less hydrogen imbrittlement of engine parts for the simple fact that the hydrogen content of the fuel is much more cleanly and completely burned. > >In the case of Hydro carbon fuels the sulfurs involved cause much more damage in that they produce sulfuric acid, that actually eat away at engine parts and require the replacements of lubricating oils every 3,000 miles. > >The more efficient burn of gaseous hydrocarbons, such as propane cause less damage in engines and is the long standing foundation of the advocacy of propane fired IC engines. Don't take my word for it, just take a little time to talk with a mechanic who has worked on both types of fueled engines. You will hear descriptions like "looked like brand new when I broke the engine down". > >Now lets look at water, the product of Hydrogen oxygen combustion. The pure water that is formed is quickly baked away as soon as the engine fires, the rough running associated with warm up times in IC engines is necessary because of this water. When the engine comes up to temperature this water is boiled away from the electrodes of the spark plugs and then can not form because of the heat, and the engine performance begins to flatten out, and run smooth. Water condensation is present in equal proportions to the contained hydrogen's of any fuel combusted, alcohol, propane, gasoline, or pure hydrogen. The critical issue is that with the purer concentrations of hydrogen there are no sulfurs to recombine with the water to for Sulfuric acid, H2SO4. This accumulation at the rings is what causes an engine to freeze up if not run for long periods of time. The rings literally fuse to the walls of the cylinder, as the acid eats through the protective coating that is formed on the walls of the cylinder, then exposing the walls to rust, at the ring to sleeve contact. > >Hydrogen imbrittlement. All our cars run on hydrogen and only hydrogen, it does not mater how you slice it, they are still hydrogen engines. A critical issue here is the type of hydrogen. Yes there is more that one type of hydrogen. New Hydrogen or Nescient hydrogen, monatomic in type is what causes hydrogen imbrittlement, and is only formed in the burning of fossil fuels. In the making of steels this is dealt with by what is called the bake out process that all high grade steels go through. As the name implies, the steel is literally baked, to remove suspended nescient hydrogen. Diatomic hydrogen produces minimal effects of imbrittlement. The reason your car engine does not suffer more greatly from hydrogen imbrittlement as it is, is that you stop the car hot. These trapped gasses they are also baked out of the metal, as the car engine cools > >All of the supposed negatives that Mr. Decker raise are more prevalent when hydrocarbon fuels are used in the running of internal combustion engines. > >As far as the heat is concerned, any engine is continually being cooled, that is the porpoise of the radiator, In that the specific impulse is greater when using hydrogen, as the burn happens about 4 times as fast, the engines actually run cooler as they are working more efficiently. > >All of this information is available to you all over the net. Check it out. >Write to people doing work with hydrogen engines! Ask them critical questions! > >You will find them only to happy to brag of sparkling, clean engines, that never need to have their oils changed. > >We have been in the hydrogen age since the dawn of time, it is only the suspensions of Hydrogen that change. Wood, alcohol, coal, oil, natural gas, and propane are all "hydrogen" based combustion's. The poisons of these systems of suspension are the only arguments. Wood coal and oil are high in these acids, and poisons, Alcohol, Propane and Natural Gas are less in their detrimental effects, as these compounds are reduced, but pure hydrogen has none. > >Take the time educate yourself. > >And never , never, ever buy a pill that turns water into gasoline. > >TR Knudtson > > > > > > >At 08:27 PM 12/6/98 -0600, you wrote: >>Hi Folks! >> >>In case you didn't get a chance to see it yet, the TV show EXTRA did a >>test on the gullibility of people when presented with an 'impossible' >>claim and were given an 'opportunity' to buy the product. >> >>In one way, it is frustrating to watch something like this but it does >>show how con artists can fluorish in the alternative science arenas >>because basically 'people want to believe'. >> >>In Dallas, the segment was shown on Channel 27 at 7:45PM 12/06/98 on >>EXTRA and entitled 'Run your car on water?' >> >>The female narrator introduced the segment saying, this was a con that >>dates back nearly a century. Even Henry Ford paid a conman $10,000 for >>a formula that was supposed to make comubustible water. >> >>The scam used props that were simply plastic enclosed MAPP sensors which >>were billed as 'Hydrogen Converter modules' that required no fuel, just >>water. >> >>The narrator said though there was no such thing as a hydro processor as >>they claimed the show wanted to see how many people would invest in such >>a scam. >> >>The show was setup outdoors in the parking lot of a shop in Tempe, >>Arizona. >> >>The system sold for $250, which consisted of the plastic enclosed MAPP >>sensors and connection instructions. >> >>A truck that looked like a Ford Explorer was used as the demonstration >>vehicle and had a sign on the windows saying water powered car, hand >>written with shoe polish. >> >>A handful of these MAPP sensors, a TV with a promotional video >>explaining the system and including fake testimonials raving about the >>product. >> >>The actual demonstration showed a gallon of water being poured into the >>gas tank of the truck, the truck was then started up and supposed to be >>running on the water. In fact, a secret hidden hose shunted the water >>away from the gas tank so that the vehicle was actually burning >>gasoline. >> >>The promoter rambled on with various octane ratings and claimed that >>high octane gasoline had an octane rating of 92 while this system burned >>water with an octane rating of 106. The narrator admitted he had no >>idea what he was talking about but the people did not question what he >>said. >> >>One guy gave a deposit of $100 and was to bring the rest of the money >>later. The narrator said on his drive from California to Arizona he >>routinely filled his car up on water, not gasoline and it didn't cost >>him a penny. >> >>He said hydrogen didn't blow up with this system and that there was a >>100% guarantee. One guy who saw the system even wanted to become a >>dealer for this product. >> >>They showed 3 men who had fallen for the pitch and actually bought the >>units, however, not a single woman fell for it. >> >>All the money was refunded when the scam was revealed. >>================== >>What to make of this? Ask P.T. Barnum and have your wife, girlfriend or >>lady friend check out your potential investments......... >> >>To my understanding; >> >> 1) There is no question hydrogen burns. >> 2) There is no question hydrogen can be generated from water. >> 3) There is no question that hydrogen burning in an engine can >> provide sufficient thrust to push a piston. >> >>If burning pure hydrogen, the problem lies with embrittlement of the >>metal of the engine, making the engine subject to damage from mechanical >>shocks, or from weakening of the cylinder walls from the excess heat >>from hydrogen combustion. >> >>If burning hydrogen with oxygen, the problem lies in the production of >>water when the two gases recombine in the presence of a spark, thereby >>rusting the engine. >> >>The closest solution I've seen was that of Dad Garrett as laid out in >>the file; >> >> http://www.keelynet.com/energy/garrett.htm >> >>where hydrogen, oxygen and outside air are burned in the engine as was >>done in the 1930's. >>-- >> Jerry Wayne Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com >> http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" >> Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-3501 >> KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 >> >> >> From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Dec 7 14:12:59 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA25804; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 14:12:49 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 14:12:49 -0800 Message-ID: <366C5615.4C5472B9@harti.com> Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 23:26:29 +0100 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: leoguitar@vossnet.de Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Site updated with flux paths References: <1bacd540.366b4b45@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ZRpQ91.0.5J6.XB5Rs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7950 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com HLafonte@aol.com wrote: > > > LaFonte Research Site 1 or > http://members.aol.com/_ht_b/HLafonte/lafonteresearchsite1web.html Hi Butch, at which points do you energize your coil or short it out ? Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Dec 7 14:32:33 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA01662; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 14:32:30 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 14:32:30 -0800 Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 17:24:19 -0500 (EST) From: John Schnurer To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: 34AWG magnet wire In-Reply-To: <366887B5.78749F0E@sunherald.infi.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"_WtUH3.0.tP.-T5Rs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7951 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Dear Kyle, If you intned to make one long coil it will have a VERY high resistance.... If you want it to do work, it will not do much. On Fri, 4 Dec 1998, Kyle R. Mcallister wrote: > All: > > Where can I obtain 34AWG magnet wire in large amounts? I will need 25 > kilometers of it. It does not have to be in this length, but many rolls > of large amounts. > > Thanks, > Kyle R. Mcallister > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Dec 7 18:07:41 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA09288; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 18:07:27 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 18:07:27 -0800 Message-ID: <366C8D52.7648F12@harti.com> Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 03:22:10 +0100 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: leoguitar@vossnet.de Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Newman-L Mailing List , freenrg-l Subject: http://www.overunity.com/newman2/ updated... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"eA1Du3.0.zG2.Vd8Rs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7952 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi All, I have updated my Newman test pages with a Newman transformer test, which seems to be interesting to study the effects. http://www.overunity.com/newman2/ Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Dec 7 18:10:03 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA10528; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 18:10:00 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 18:10:00 -0800 Message-ID: <366C8DF1.AF61BDC7@harti.com> Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 03:24:49 +0100 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: leoguitar@vossnet.de Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l , Newman-L Mailing List Subject: [Fwd: SMOT REFUNDS] Just received this from Greg Watson... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ix4Oa2.0.Pa2.uf8Rs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7953 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com -------- Original Message -------- Subject: SMOT REFUNDS Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 17:50:25 PST,Mon, 7 Dec 1998 20:59:26 EDT From: "Greg Watson" To: harti@harti.com Hi Stefan, I have set up a special mail service to process the SMOT refunds. Would you please send this through to the mail groups Freenrg, Vortex & Newman. -------------------- SMOT REFUNDS Until the legal problems surrounding the SMOT are resolved, ALL SMOT deposits are to be refunded. The SMOT orders will stay active and on file. When the SMOT is ready to ship, you will be invited to receive a SMOT for no cost. To process the refunds would you please supply the following details to: smotrefund@hotmail.com Do not send refund questions / data to ANY other email destination. 1) Date Pre-Payment sent. (Refunds will be prosessed in date order) 2) How payment was sent. 3) Number of SMOT kits ordered. 4) Your Name. 5) Your POSTAL address. The refunds will be by BANK cheque in your local currency, drawn on a bank in your country. I apologize for the delays in dealing with this matter. It is not how I normally work. Current research has shown that the SMOT effect is weak, real but NOT OU. My very best regards & apology, Greg Watson --------------------------------- ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Dec 7 18:22:12 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA17105; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 18:21:49 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 18:21:49 -0800 Posted-Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 04:18:23 +0300 (MEST) Message-ID: <366C8D4D.285F70FB@verisoft.com.tr> Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 04:22:05 +0200 From: hamdi ucar X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: 34AWG magnet wire References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"VqucD3.0.1B4.xq8Rs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7954 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com John Schnurer wrote: > > Dear Kyle, > > If you intned to make one long coil it will have a VERY high > resistance.... If you want it to do work, it will not do much. > > On Fri, 4 Dec 1998, Kyle R. Mcallister wrote: > > > All: > > > > Where can I obtain 34AWG magnet wire in large amounts? I will need 25 > > kilometers of it. It does not have to be in this length, but many rolls > > of large amounts. > > But, taking account the wiring capacitance and substantial induced voltages inside, one can obtain very interesting results on specific frequencies or transients, weird oscillations. Unfortunately, it is very hard to duplicate such multilayer coils or eve n single layer coils for specific phenomenon, due to the regularity of the wire, regularity of the windings, to regularity of the enamel, its dielectric constant, tightness of the wiring, rigidity of the form, its dielectric constant, humidity, etc. All t hese affect the interwinding capacitance. Regards, hamdi ucar From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Dec 7 19:19:50 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA29907; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 19:19:03 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 19:19:03 -0800 (PST) Posted-Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 05:15:19 +0300 (MEST) Message-ID: <366C9AA8.BF34035D@verisoft.com.tr> Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 05:19:04 +0200 From: hamdi ucar X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg Subject: Re: http://www.overunity.com/newman2/ updated... References: <366C8D52.7648F12@harti.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"cmUf51.0.BJ7.Tg9Rs"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7955 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Stefan Hartmann wrote: > > Hi All, > > I have updated my Newman test pages > with a Newman transformer test, > which seems to be > interesting to study the effects. > > http://www.overunity.com/newman2/ > > Regards, Stefan. > Hi Stefan, Do not expect good efficiency or OU result with a transformer setup if you are not extraordinary lucky. This is because N. coils (may) works in resonating modes, probably with many resonating frequencies with or without high order harmonic locks. 1) Even with a conventional operation, you can not couple an other high inductance/high capacitance coil to retrieve the magnetic energy produced without resonances. This is because the actual energy is on high frequency band, well above of a conventional low freq. coil (used on secondary) 2) Only part of the energy is stored on magnetic field at anytime. What I mean the N coil may not oscillate in a whole, but separate regions and layers resonate with separate timings and there is no instant that whole energy is found as magnetic field. (a t all instants, energy is stored as magnetic and both as electric fields) 3) If one expect OU operation (which is promising from recent experiments), the extra energy may comes totally different frequencies (may above the BW of the scope and can not be seen directly). So it could not be possible to catch this energy by a conven tional coupling. (I suspect the OU energy is provided as electric field first and than excite the coil to generate currents, magnetic field and electric field as induction). 4) inserting a coil or anything inside the N. coil could totally affect the working regime, kill or not kill OU but shifting resonating frequencies. As I said above, coil may have multitude of resonance frequency and the OU operation may depend on the ra tio of these frequencies, (i.e. it should be harmonic relation). So this condition may be obtained on one setup but destroyed when these frequencies are not shifted while preserving the harmonic relation. What I suggested earlier to monitor the fields around the coil (up to the BW of the scope) was for this reason. I you find obscure points in this posting please ask me and will try to clarify. Regards, hamdi ucar From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Dec 7 19:28:56 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA06104; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 19:28:25 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 19:28:25 -0800 Posted-Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 05:25:12 +0300 (MEST) Message-ID: <366C9CF7.5938B8B1@verisoft.com.tr> Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 05:28:55 +0200 From: hamdi ucar X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg Subject: Re: http://www.overunity.com/newman2/ updated... References: <366C8D52.7648F12@harti.com> <366C9AA8.BF34035D@verisoft.com.tr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"RW8Wf3.0.GV1.Pp9Rs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7956 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Addendum to my first posting. Please try only one-loop secondary inside and outside of the coil on different positions, at bottom, top ,middle and intermitted position and see the waveforms, amplitudes on the display. I am sure you will will find sometinng interesting. Regards, hamdi ucar From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Dec 7 20:46:36 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA12861; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 20:46:30 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 20:46:30 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 23:56:08 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: PRESENTATION OF REVOLUTIONARY ENERGY TECHNOLOGY Resent-Message-ID: <"1hbZ31.0.k83.byARs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7957 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com ************************************************************** NEWMAN ENERGY TECHNOLOGIES CORPORATION 11445 East Via Linda, Suite 2416 * Scottsdale, Arizona 85259 (602) 657-3722 email: josephnewman@earthlink.net * * * * * * FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: DECEMBER 7, 1998 * * * * * To The People and Newsmedia of the World: PRESENTATION OF REVOLUTIONARY ENERGY TECHNOLOGY: December 14-20, 1998 * 1:00PM - 8:00PM PLACE: La Quinta Hotel (Pima Room) - (602) 614-5300 8888 E. 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(usr-207-43-116-45.sundial.net [207.43.116.45]) by sundial.sundial.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA28307 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 15:30:04 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.16.19981124151440.35cf5824@sundial.net> X-Sender: chief@sundial.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (16) Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 15:14:40 To: ark@Millennium-ark.net From: axenolit@pacbell.net (by way of michael romack ) Subject: Can't Buy or Sell without it??? Errors-To: danyork@Millennium-ark.net X-Unsubscribe: email listserver@millennium-ark.net with the body "leave ark" X-Info: Ark Community Mailing List X-ListMember: spiritsevp@aol.com [ark@Millennium-ark.net] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit ** The following was received in an e-mail from Curt Tomlin: NOTE: This morning's news announced a plan for ALL banks to make "accounts" available to American's receiving ANY/ALL forms of money from the FEDERAL government (SOCIAL SECURITY, RETIREMENT ETC. ETC.), and currently do not have a bank account. They claim 10 million Americans are without bank accounts, and the FDIC is "suggesting" those new accounts be set up with a 3.00 monthly fee with no minimum balance for all Americans who cannot afford and do not currently to do business with a bank! They also mentioned that REGULATIONS will be available in the spring! This bit of news will REALLY strike home after you read the following article. Dear Friends: I have just finished analyzing a 29-page document obtained from an U.S. Congressman who, for the moment and at his request must remain anonymous. The document is a Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) document and is entitled "Minimum Security Devices and Procedures and Bank Secrecy Act Compliance." To set the tone for the following discussion let me remind you that since January 1992, the Federal Government has set its sights on establishing federal controls over EVERY ASPECT of every individual Americans personal life and liberties. For example; 1. The federal government has established "PROFILES" for various so-called criminally inclined personalities. Now as one travels about the country, especially in air ports, the government spies look you over and if you happen to resemble one of those criminally inclined personality profiles, in appearance, conduct or mannerisms, YOU are taken into police custody and then you are required to prove that you are indeed not a criminal or even a potential criminal. 2. Even our school children are now being "profiled" so that the federal government can identify those children who, in the opinion of certain government agents, require psychological evaluation and subsequent psychological treatment (reprogramming) in order to instill in that child "government standards of behavior" to prevent that child from committing criminal acts later in life (so they think). 3. NOW --- NOW the Federal Government, working through the FDIC, plans to "PROFILE YOUR PERSONAL FINANCIAL ACTIVITIES." The following is direct quote from the first page of FDIC document (6174-01) (12 CFR Part 326) Notice of proposed rule making. "SUMMARY: The FDIC is proposing to issue a regulation requiring insured nonmember banks to adopt and maintain "Know Your Customer" programs. As proposed, the regulation would require each nonmember bank to develop a program designed to determine the identity of its customers; determine its customers' sources of funds; determine the normal and expected transactions of its customers; monitor account activity for transactions that are inconsistent with those normal and expected transactions; and report any transactions of its customers that are determined to be suspicious, in accordance with the FDIC's existing suspicious activity reporting regulation. ---" The things to be very concerned about in this case are the PROFILE PARAMETERS that in turn define the various limits that when exceed, qualify as an exception to the norm and thus must be reported to another federal agency, as a suspicious transaction. There is virtually no limit to the number or type of profile parameters that can be established. For example, is the customer an 8-foot tall white male weighing in excess of 400 pounds or is the customer a four-foot tall black female weighing less than 90 pounds. The question or questions (and there are many questions) then becomes, who will be responsible for establishing, defining and controlling the limitless number of possible profile parameters? Who will be responsible for adding, changing and deleting established profile parameters? Who will be responsible for insuring that this awesome and massive capability will not be misused and abused by the various departments of the Federal Government. In other words, is the 8 foot tall white malean exception to the norm or is the 4 foot tall black female the exception or, are both the upper limit and the lower limit considered as an exception to the norm. How about all those in between? As noted in the quoted SUMMARY of the document identified above, the "key operative statements" are as follows; 1. Identify its customers. 2. Determine its customers' source of funds. 3. Determine the normal and expected transactions of its customers. 4. Monitor account activity for transactions that are inconsistent with those normal and expected transactions. 5. Report any transactions of its customers that are determined to be suspicious ---. Before we briefly examine the five individual requirements noted above, and so that you will understand where"I" am coming from, please be aware of the fact that, in addition to being a Baptist Preacher, I have been a Data Processing Systems Analyst for some 48+ years. At least half of that time was spent working for the Federal Government, designing and installing total Data Processing Facilities, from the Presidents Battle Staff, to the Congress, to the Department of defense, to the local Church name and address data base. I have written and taught several college courses; (a) Management of Data Processing Facilities and (b) Systems Analysis. One of the first things that I always tell the new students in my Systems Analysis class is "In the field of electronic data processing, your only limitation is you own imagination. If you can rationalize it in your mind, 'electronic' data processing can do it." Now, given that background and qualifications let me tell you, in no uncertain terms, -- I know exactly what the Federal Government is up to. I know exactly what information they are looking for; I know exactly how to get that information and I know exactly how they plan to eventually use that information. Requirement #1: Identify its customers. I have no problem with this requirement so long as that identifying information is limited to name, mailing address and an account number generated by the "local" financial institution and assigned to a particular account to provide unique identification, but absolutely nothing more. Requirement #2: Determine its customers' source of funds. This I have a BIG problem with. Even though the government would like for you to believe that this requirement is related to identifying "possible" illegal money laundering by drug traffickers, that is not the only reason they want to know the source of your finances. Remember now, the ultimate objective of the vast majority of government regulations and programs are directed at controlling the "individual." This item required that you advise the bank of all the sources that you will be receiving money from that you will be depositing in this particular account. We will expand this item in more detail below. Requirement #3. Determine the normal and expected transactions of its customers. For purposed of this discussion we will consider only four primary parameters related to deposits and withdrawals against this particular account. First: When you established a new checking account you will be required to identify the number of deposits you expect to make each month and the average amount of each deposit. For example (a) military retirement pay = $2,000.00, (b) Social Security Income = $400.00, (c) Rent from income property = $750.00, (d) Interest from stocks & bonds = $ 300.00, and so on. Second: You will be required to identify the number of withdrawals you expect to make each month from this account and the estimated amount of each withdrawal. For example; (a)Mortgage payment = $800.00,(b)Car Payment = $250.00,(c)College tuition = $1,000.00). Once the average number of deposits and the average amount of each deposit has been determined and the average number of withdrawals and the average amount of each withdrawal has been established, it will be very easy to identify all transactions, in and out, that exceed the established norms for this particular account. For example should you find a paper bag on the side of the highway containing 10,000 well used one dollar bills, or Aunt Sue passed away and left you 10,000 well used one dollar bills and you deposited that windfall in your checking or savings account, that would immediately be detected as exceeding the established norms for your account. Requirement #4. Monitor account activity for transactions that are inconsistent with those normal and expected transactions. This requirement establishes the requirement that each financial institution establish a procedure to monitor your financial accounts on a regular basis for any transactions that exceed the established norms as illustrated above. Requirement #5. Report any transactions of its customers that are determined to be suspicious ---. This requirement requires that all financial institutions immediately report any and all suspicious transactions detected as a result of deposits or withdrawals that exceed the established norms for your account. As I was reviewing the aforementioned FDIC document, as quoted above, I called a long time friend of mine who is vice president of a local bank that I do business with. I ask my vice president friend to identify the government agency(s) to which he would report such a suspicious transaction. His response was, the IRS and the FBI, at the national level. My friends, as a long time ADP/EDP Systems Analyst I want you to pay particular attention to the following. Whenever a good and successful Information (Data) Processing Systems Analyst designs a large scale information processing system, such as what we have been talking about above, he will ALWAYS allow for future expansion of "existing" applications and processing capabilities and his design work will also allow for "additional" applications and processing capabilities to be added with a minimum of additional effort and cost. Based on my 48+ plus years in the business, let me tell you what you can expect in the very near future if the proposed "rulemaking" provisions as defined in the FDIC document identified above are allowed to be implemented. Please, read the following very carefully because it lays out the route our government is taking toward a cashless society as required by the design of a one world government under the United Nations. 1. PRESENTLY ALL recipients of military retirement pay MUST have a bank account into which their monthly retirement pay is electronically transferred. The government will no longer pay individual retirees directly, or send their retirement pay to a home address. This is part of an over all plan to extended more absolute control over the individual. It has absolutely nothing to do with economy as the government would have you to believe. 2. In the very near future look for legislation that will "require" ALL government employees, federal, state and local, to have a bank account into which their salary will also be electronically transferred, just like the retired military. In as much as most government employees already have the direct deposit option available, it requires only very simple legislation to complete this phase of the plan. 3. Next you will see legislation that will outlaw the direct payment of all wages or salaries to any individual, by an employer. All employees who work for a wage or salary, will also be required to have a bank account into which the employer will be required to direct deposit their salary. And once again the legislation necessary to accomplish phase of the plan is very simple and easy to implement, simply because most business would welcome the reduced payroll cost. The government's objective here is to eventually make the local financial institution the only source of legal tender for the individual. At this point and for the purpose of this paper, legal tender is defined as dollars, debit cards or other credit cards. When objectives 2 & 3 above have been fully accomplished, it will then be a very simple matter to implement the rest of the plan. Let me explain it this way. The total plan equates to $1.00 (One dollar). When steps 2 & 3 have been fully implemented, as step 1 has already been accomplished, that will equate to $.95 cents of that $1.00. The rest of the plan equates to only 5 cents out of that one dollar. And just what is the rest of the plan? It's very simple. After steps 1, 2 and 3 as noted above have been fully implemented, the only thing left to do then would be to outlaw all cash transactions and require all transactions now involving cash, be accomplished through the use of checks or smart cards followed by the eventual elimination of the checks. At that point the federal government can then trace, track AND CONTROL ALL TRANSACTIONS, simply because all transactions will then be processed by massive computer systems controlled by the federal government. Given the above accomplishments and current electronic capabilities, the ability to exercise absolute control over "individuals" provided by the additional five cents noted above are absolutely mind boggling. There are many, many more reasons that all Americans should and must oppose implementation of the five(5) requirements identified above. There are TWO things that every American should do, immediately. First: All Americans should send a letter to the FDIC expressing their STRONG objection and opposition to the plan to PROFILE individual bank accounts for what ever purpose. The FDIC will be accepting public comments until December 27. Send your comments to: Robert E. Feldman, Executive Secretary Attention: Comments/OES, FDIC 550 17th Street, NW Washington, DC 20429 Be sure to include the following information at the top of your letter: 6374-01 FDIC 12 CFR 326 Minimum Security Devices and Procedures and Bank Secrecy Act Compliance Notice of proposed rulemaking Second: All Americans should immediately destroy ALL debit cards and credit cards and revert to using cash (dollars) in all business transactions instead of checks, debit cards and credit cards. Please forward this alert to the maximum extent possible. Curt Tomlin Major USA Ret ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To leave this list, email with the body text: leave Ark or go to the archive web site at http://millennium-ark.net/ark_mail/ { in case of difficulty contact } ---------------------------------------------------------------------- --part0_913144173_boundary-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Dec 8 12:11:17 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA30412; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 12:11:10 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 12:11:10 -0800 From: HLafonte@aol.com Message-ID: <51e09163.366d871b@aol.com> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 15:07:55 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Reply to Stefan: Site updated with flux paths Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 49 Resent-Message-ID: <"gDXR51.0.5R7.TVORs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7960 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com In a message dated 98-12-07 17:15:10 EST, you write: > Hi Butch, > > at which points do you energize your coil > or short it out ? > > Regards, Stefan. > Hi Stefan, I have updated my web site with a drawing to answer your question. If it does not answer your question, please let know. It is the next to last drawing on web site. Thanks, Butch LaFonte Research Site 1 or http://members.aol.com/_ht_b/HLafonte/lafonteresearchsite1web.html From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Dec 8 15:26:20 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA04235; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 15:22:01 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 15:22:01 -0800 Message-Id: <199812082321.SAA24457@express.globetrotter.net> From: "Patrick Tremblay" To: Cc: Subject: SPDT SWITCH Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 18:16:06 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"cVJA51.0.421.OIRRs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7961 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Scott, I am buidling an overunity circuit and I will need a SPDT SWITCH, you know the switch that has three leads and two positions. I need to have an automatic switch that would oscillate continuously from position 1 to position 2. I will need frequencies from 100Hz to 1000Hz I was planning to build a system of such using a 555 timer and two transistors. But I was woundering, could I buy a ready made system, if so where could I buy one. Do you know of a web site that sells such a component. Thanks. Best Regards, Patrick Tremblay. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Dec 8 15:30:22 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA06602; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 15:26:33 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 15:26:33 -0800 Message-ID: <366DD0F0.CBBBE399@sunherald.infi.net> Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 17:22:56 -0800 From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: 34AWG magnet wire References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"FBW1g1.0.0d1.fMRRs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7962 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com John Schnurer wrote: > > Dear Kyle, > > If you intned to make one long coil it will have a VERY high > resistance.... If you want it to do work, it will not do much. I was thinking of winding a Newman coil, similar to J-L Naudin's. For the time being, mainly due to costs, I will stick to my other projects... Kyle R. Mcallister From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Dec 8 15:36:37 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA09908; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 15:33:59 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 15:33:59 -0800 X-Sender: bailey@shell14.ba.best.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 15:26:50 -0800 To: "Gary Vesperman" , wireless@amigo.net (Toby Grotz), halfox@slkc.uswest.net (Hal Fox), jdecker@keelynet.com (Jerry Decker), josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule), Motoe Suzuki , JNaudin509@aol.com, roborowe@netside.net, harti@harti.com, newman-l@emachine.com, jnaudin509@aol.com, bshannon@tiac.net, ddameron@earthlink.net, bauer_d@FHI-Berlin.MPG.DE, freenrg-l@eskimo.com, serjio@glasnet.ru, dwenbert@spacey.net, ibr@gte.net From: pgb@padrak.com (Patrick Bailey) Subject: Tesla Transformers: No Current Path: Aether Current! Book! Resent-Message-ID: <"TKU1j.0.jQ2.cTRRs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7963 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com The book that I mentioned in my previous email (below) is: Secrets of Cold War Technology - Project HAARP and Beyond by Gerry Vassilatos available from Borderland Sciences, in Bayside, CA, for $15.95. I have: PO Box 429, Garberville, CA 95440-0429. I am up to page 43 of 324. Now, this here book talks a lot about Tesla's experiments with high voltage DC where he is creating "radiant energy" using a "Tesla Transformer" by making the DC pulse in the milliseconds and microseconds regions. NOTE: The pulsing current passes through an electromagnet, and he uses a vortex coil. It appears that the electrical current is transformed into an "aether current" and can be transferred to other places - WITH NO APPARENT CURRENT PATH <<<--------- So, you see, this gets rather interesting. Anyone know anything about these transformers and replication and data? Patrick Bailey President, Institute for New Energy http://www.padrak.com/ine/SUBJECTS.html http://www.padrak.com/ine/ --- ----- ------- To: "Gary Vesperman" , Toby_Grotz, Hal_Fox From: pgb@padrak.com (Patrick Bailey) Subject: Re: Newman's motor, etc Cc: Jerry_Decker There are all these emails about Newman's motor that I do not have the time to read. Now, I am reading this new book that talks about Tesla's work in his latter days, where he uses very high voltage, 10-100 microsecond square-wave pulses of variuos frequency, and the output is not through two parallel wires, by through two parallel wire that are connected via apermanent magnet. There is NO observable current flow. There is a field effect, a force, electrical charging of metalic objects at a distance, and lights that light up brightly and DO NOT get warm. Now - this sounds a whole lot like the Hans Coler devices, the Swiss ML Converter, the Wimshurst devices that Moray King and Toby Grotz are interested in, and maybe also the Newman motor. The idea may be that the current is "etheric"! So - if this is a lead - then we need to look at the voltage, timing, pulse shapes, and who else is doing that. I'll make a summary report some other time after I finish the book that I got from Borderland. Eric Pollard (?) is supposed to know all about this. Cheers! PB. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Dec 8 18:52:07 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA24870; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 18:49:33 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 18:49:33 -0800 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981209025613.011a1b90@popd.ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: atech@popd.ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 21:56:13 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: "Dennis C. Lee" Subject: Re: National Security Resent-Message-ID: <"yKzf43.0.T46.zKURs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7964 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi; At 10:05 PM 11/28/98 -0800, you wrote: (snip) >It all comes down to Balls! The oil companies will simply discredit anyone >who brings these facts out. They will destroy you, and have the government >to back them up. > >If you doubt me for one minute, just try! Unfortunately TR, I don't doubt you at all. I just look around at the world, what I see does not give me hope for the future. I want to have children. I couldn't bring new life in a world like this with good conscience. President Clinton's Executive Order #12958 does have provisions to allow information be released if the need to protect information is outweighed by the public interest in disclosure of the information (EO#12958 Sec. 3.2(b)). EO#12958 Sec. 1.1 (L) - "Damage to the national security" means harm to the national defense or foreign relations of the United States from the unauthorized disclosure of information, to include the sensitivity, value, and utility of that information. I wonder if lying about such information is covered by 1.1 L? So what can one do? Nothing I guess. What's everyone trying to prove; that evil is stronger than good? Who in his right mind wants to win such a proof? I don't like the world this way. I'm scared. Regards; Dennis Tall Ships http://pw1.netcom.com/~atech/tallship.html Concentric Tori http://pw1.netcom.com/~atech/GoldCTori_A.JPG Someday I hope we will hear: Here's everything you need to live comfortably. You don't have to do anything for it. Your obligation for these resources is to attain your full human potential and find out how to help the greatest number of people possible in the most positive way possible in a way that gives you the greatest personal satisfaction possible, if you can. If you take pleasure in evil deeds done to others, we will find out. We will not allow such behavior and you will lose everything forever. You will become all the greatness that you can dream and more; there is no other choice available. Period. Dennis C. Lee From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Dec 8 19:17:52 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA03420; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 19:13:46 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 19:13:46 -0800 Message-ID: <000c01be231e$ffde43a0$18ea39cc@default> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: Tesla Transformers: No Current Path: Aether Current! Book! Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 18:52:25 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"1RfH1.0.Mr.fhURs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7965 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Patrick and all, > >Now, I am reading this new book that talks about Tesla's work in his latter >days, where he uses very high voltage, 10-100 microsecond square-wave >pulses of variuos frequency, and the output is not through two parallel >wires, by through two parallel wire that are connected via a permanent >magnet. Hmm, never heard about that. Now I need to buy this book :-) Does he have documents of Tesla himself in the book? In my opinion Vasillatos, though an excellent archivist in many respects, has a tendency to a little "creative" extending of a researchers work, interpolating his own views and interpretations. In my reading of Tesla, he talks about very tiny, high energy particles from space which can be tapped for power. He does not refer to them as etheric. That does not alter the idea of the experiment itself which I think is valid. > >There is NO observable current flow. No, there wouldn't be, since the TC output is being thoroughly choked, as far as I can tell. Jerry Gallimore has done some experiments of a similar nature. I can send you some pages from one of his books ("Handbook Of Unusual Energies") that describes experiments he did where he put one lead from a TC into a solenoidal coil wrapped around a glass tube. A beam of aetheric energy radiated from the end which was detectible by dowsing at long distances. Gallimore has developed a theory that the polarization vector of EM forces is a real force, and this has some merit. The way I would interpret what is going on here is electrons are themselves composed of much tinier uncharged particles in a vortical arrangement. I won't belabor you with my model of electrons and the tiny "aetheric" particles that compose them, except to refer you to the 19th century Theosophists, who clairvoyantly viewed this structure as the Anu, two nested counterspirals, and the Seth books by Jane Roberts, which describe the basic nature of the aetheric energy units. This is all corroborated by the observations of Reichenbach, Reich, Schauberger and others. > >There is a field effect, a force, electrical charging of metalic objects at >a distance, and lights that light up brightly and DO NOT get warm. That follows from above. One characteristic of these tiny particles is that they are not charged in themselves, but they compose charge, and attract or even form charge. Since they attract each other-- like attracts like-- they will have an anti-entropic effect on charge, allowing it accumulate despite electrostatic repulsion. This means that once a process of "aetheric particle" accumulation is begun it gradually picks up steam. This gradual increase of effects is seen in numerous experiments like orgone accumulators, notably in the coil/orac experiment of Nicholas Reiter. http://www.borderlands.com/archives/arch/orac.htm These effects can be seen in unusual electrostatic effects near orgone accumulators (Reich), crystals (Gallimore) http://www.spiritweb.org/KeelyNet/Gravity/galli1.asc.html and pyramids (Siemens) for instance. There are many ways, electrical and nonelectrical, of generating quantities of these tiny units, which can then be used for experiments. I recently proposed an experiment to look for excess charge near the end of a caduceus coil in reference to these ideas. It seems to me that an efficient generator of these electromagnetic energy (EE) units, as I call them, after Jane Roberts, is a prerequisite to doing research in ths area. I have some designs for such. Also, I just turned up a fairly simple free energy device in the back of Childress's "Free Energy Handbook" which might be a way of practically experimenting with this. It consists of a TC attached to two copper plates. Another copper plate covered on both sides with mylar film is between these. The author claims that when the TC pulsations are adjusted properly, there will be a DC current output from the central copper sheet. I can send you those pages as well. This shares with Baumann's basic Testatika experiment, http://members.tripod.com/~kilowattfree/index.html the use of a rudimentary orgone accumulator, or capacitor. There is plenty of room for investigation in this area. > >Now - this sounds a whole lot like the Hans Coler devices, the Swiss ML >Converter, the Wimshurst devices that Moray King and Toby Grotz are >interested in, Yes the basic process involved in these machines may be: 1) Create a high volume of EE units thourgh electrostatic potential or otherwise 2) Use the anti-entropic effects of these units to attract more units and at the same time charge. 3) Draw off the charge as current. and maybe also the Newman motor. Possibly in terms of the spark. > >The idea may be that the current is "etheric"! > >So - if this is a lead - then we need to look at the voltage, timing, pulse >shapes, and who else is doing that. > >I'll make a summary report some other time after I finish the book that I >got from Borderland. > >Eric Pollard (?) is supposed to know all about this. Eric Dollard, yes, he has much material of interest. I haven't seen anything that relates this to "aetheric energies". He is thoroughly, if unconventionally, electrical. Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Dec 9 00:59:28 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id AAA02004; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 00:56:31 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 00:56:31 -0800 Message-ID: <366E3EB5.C5C0FD26@harti.com> Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 10:11:17 +0100 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: leoguitar@vossnet.de Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Newman-L Mailing List , freenrg-l Subject: http://www.overunity.com updated.. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"-yD-H3.0.EV._iZRs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7966 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi All, 2 updates for today: http://www.overunity.com/newman2/ was updated with a summary of the recent Newman tests and http://www.overunity.com/zaev has an update of Dieter Bauer´s comments with a new graphic. Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Dec 9 02:21:35 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id CAA16202; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 02:20:16 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 02:20:16 -0800 From: trknute@earthlink.net Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981130143811.008bc570@earthlink.net> X-Sender: trknute@earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 14:38:11 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Dennis's baby and National Security In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19981209025613.011a1b90@popd.ix.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"JTq2d3.0.4z3.WxaRs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7967 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Dearest Dennis, Please do not be afraid! There is nothing that our Government can do that will hurt you! Hum? There, I said it! OUR Government! Not "THE" Government! Our Government of the United States of America! The Grand experiment, whether a nation of individuals, can seek security, order, civil and domestic tranquility, by self-government. By a consensus of the public, offer for service in the public interest, representatives, to judge the values and merit, decisions of law that provide the best balance of the good of the State, and in support of the rights of the individual. I then question any law that would restrict the right of any American, to have and posses knowledge. Further, I would question the nature of a law that would restrict general knowledge, from being shared, taught and disseminated by any American, to any person, except where to do so would endanger the lives of defending soldiers or the conduct of war. The Presidential orders, you refer to would seem to me to be indicative that state of war is implied. If free men, of free nations, exchange information on issues of science that can be deemed, by a temporary occupant of a public office, to be in violation of the security of the nation, can such an order be enforceable under the constitution. Are we all, to treat scientific knowledge, in general, that may some day become a threat to our nation, in the same way as we would if we were at war? Is our nation, now perpetually in a state of war readiness? Have we just exchanged the Dollar, Yen, Ruble, Frank, Lira, Pound, and Mark, for the bullets of our last wars of conquest and liberation? Has the term ally, been supplanted in this economic struggle, by terms like preferred trading partner? Are we at war? Do we now seek to crush economies, rather then dictatorships? Would we seek, to deplete other nations, natural resources, while keeping ours in reserve? Would the last one with resources win? Then would we be assured of world domination or at a minimum, total control? Could the reluctance of the "powers that be" in Governments, and the petrochemical industry simply be protecting their ace in the hole, by repressing any technology that would threaten a plan of world Control. That any efforts here, or in any free energy research, may be seen as a threat? Look at what exist! Solar power, Photo voltaic cells. You can buy them. Hydride storage. Tanks are on the open market! Hydrogen/Propane carburetors. One in the same, and available. Electrolyzers. Openly sold, including "how to" home built units. A "one time" expense, that means that, for most of your local driving, (200miles or more range) you would never have to go to a gas station again. As you drove on one tank, your gas supply at home would be renewing itself, as the sun rose and set, storing that energy for your use the next day. Non polluting, clean free energy. All of this technology is out there, it exists. Our children will look back on this time, as a time of blindness. Much like I may have asked my Father what he did for entertainment before Radio. National Security? Crimes against the State? What about, Pollution, and crimes against mankind? Please, don't all of the silent nay sayers jump on this, with cost estimates of current day pricing, the first television cost about 3 million dollars to build, and the computer you are reading this on would have cost you 5 million dollars, 20 years ago. All the Best TR Knudtson By the way Dennis, have your family, a new world will soon be theirs! (Smile) PS, you might also want to save a bit extra of that fuel, that you make from water, to heat your home, cook the food, and warm the baby bottles for your new family. At 09:56 PM 12/8/98 -0500, you wrote: >Hi; > >At 10:05 PM 11/28/98 -0800, you wrote: > >(snip) > >>It all comes down to Balls! The oil companies will simply discredit anyone >>who brings these facts out. They will destroy you, and have the government >>to back them up. >> >>If you doubt me for one minute, just try! > >Unfortunately TR, I don't doubt you at all. I just look around at the world, >what I see does not give me hope for the future. I want to have children. I >couldn't bring new life in a world like this with good conscience. > >President Clinton's Executive Order #12958 does have provisions to allow >information be released if the need to protect information is outweighed by >the public interest in disclosure of the information (EO#12958 Sec. 3.2(b)). > >EO#12958 Sec. 1.1 (L) - "Damage to the national security" means harm to the >national defense or foreign relations of the United States from the >unauthorized disclosure of information, to include the sensitivity, value, >and utility of that information. > >I wonder if lying about such information is covered by 1.1 L? > >So what can one do? Nothing I guess. What's everyone trying to prove; that >evil is stronger than good? Who in his right mind wants to win such a proof? >I don't like the world this way. I'm scared. > > >Regards; >Dennis > > > >Tall Ships >http://pw1.netcom.com/~atech/tallship.html > > >Concentric Tori >http://pw1.netcom.com/~atech/GoldCTori_A.JPG > > >Someday I hope we will hear: > >Here's everything you need to live comfortably. You don't have to do >anything for it. Your obligation for these resources is to attain your full >human potential and find out how to help the greatest number of people >possible in the most positive way possible in a way that gives you the >greatest personal satisfaction possible, if you can. If you take pleasure in >evil deeds done to others, we will find out. We will not allow such behavior >and you will lose everything forever. You will become all the greatness that >you can dream and more; there is no other choice available. Period. > >Dennis C. Lee > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Dec 9 02:56:11 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id CAA21081; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 02:51:04 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 02:51:04 -0800 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981209105753.011a1430@popd.ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: atech@popd.ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 05:57:53 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: "Dennis C. Lee" Subject: Re: Dennis's baby and National Security Resent-Message-ID: <"_oP7C1.0.G95.OObRs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7968 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi; At 02:38 PM 11/30/98 -0800, you wrote: >Please do not be afraid! There is nothing that our Government can do that >will hurt you! (snip) >>>It all comes down to Balls! The oil companies will simply discredit anyone >>>who brings these facts out. They will destroy you, and have the government >>>to back them up. >>> >>>If you doubt me for one minute, just try! Well which is it? It seems you say one thing then another. I'm not good at deception. I have no place in this world. I don't find anything challenging or interesting except the new technology. I feel that I'm doomed because of this. I hate my life. Regards; Dennis Tall Ships http://pw1.netcom.com/~atech/tallship.html Concentric Tori http://pw1.netcom.com/~atech/GoldCTori_A.JPG From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Dec 9 03:34:22 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id DAA26428; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 03:31:24 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 03:31:24 -0800 From: trknute@earthlink.net Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981130154918.008e3290@earthlink.net> X-Sender: trknute@earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 15:49:18 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Dennis's baby and National Security In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19981209105753.011a1430@popd.ix.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"iyfYn1.0.rS6.C-bRs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7969 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Dear Dennis, I work with groups all over the world who want to replicate my work. I Love my nation, and the principles that it was founded on. I have the greatest faith that America will endure and become the core force in the world of the future. The reason I work more in other nations is that the need is greater there. For us here in America, things are good and demand for basics of warmth and fuel are mostly available to us all. In other nations this is not the case. There I place most of my efforts. They will seek the change because it is needed, not because it is cute, or innovative. In south America, they are making steels, in china they are doing work on implosion technologies that I developed, in the Philippines they are working on growing hydrogen, using biologic productions of methane. In Thailand I have friends that are working on large-scale electrolyzes, to be used in a neighboring country that has a great hydroelectric potential. In Mexico I have friends that are developing electrolyzers to produce hydrogen to boil water, then use the extra oxygen to purify this water even further. I receive and answer many E-mail each day, I take my time and help where I might. This revolution is not only of concern here, but these same questions are being asked all over the world. I work hard to help all those who come to me. What I mean to say, is that the world is too big for any plan to suppress the will of man to succeed. Mankind will awaken soon, as these and many other developments come of age. It is time. Keep up your efforts, but share your work with all. No mater the nation, or religion or color of the person who asks for help. All the best TR Knudtson At 05:57 AM 12/9/98 -0500, you wrote: >Hi; > > >At 02:38 PM 11/30/98 -0800, you wrote: > >>Please do not be afraid! There is nothing that our Government can do that >>will hurt you! > >(snip) > >>>>It all comes down to Balls! The oil companies will simply discredit anyone >>>>who brings these facts out. They will destroy you, and have the government >>>>to back them up. >>>> >>>>If you doubt me for one minute, just try! > >Well which is it? It seems you say one thing then another. I'm not good at >deception. I have no place in this world. I don't find anything challenging >or interesting except the new technology. I feel that I'm doomed because of >this. I hate my life. > > >Regards; >Dennis > > > > >Tall Ships >http://pw1.netcom.com/~atech/tallship.html > > >Concentric Tori >http://pw1.netcom.com/~atech/GoldCTori_A.JPG > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Dec 9 04:15:48 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id EAA04966; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 04:12:35 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 04:12:35 -0800 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981209121944.011a11b8@popd.ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: atech@popd.ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 07:19:44 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: "Dennis C. Lee" Subject: Re: Dennis's baby and National Security Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id EAA04946 Resent-Message-ID: <"EzeSM.0.WD1.oacRs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7970 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi; At 03:49 PM 11/30/98 -0800, you wrote: (snip) >The reason I work more in other nations is that the need is greater there. >For us here in America, things are good and demand for basics of warmth and >fuel are mostly available to us all. In other nations this is not the case. > There I place most of my efforts. They will seek the change because it is >needed, not because it is cute, or innovative. Need? How about some of the following: Antarctic glaciers feel the heat [Friday July 24] The Pine Island Glacier in West Antarctica is shrinking at a startling rate according to satellite observations. And the "hinge-point" of the glacier is retreating at 1.2 km per year according to Eric Rignot of the Jet Propulsion Laboratory in California. Geophysicists believe that the glacier is theoretically unstable and that the retreat could become irreversible. Many believe that such an event would be strong evidence for climatic change. Rignot cautions that the retreat he has observed might be a short-lived phenomenon, but adds it could still have implications for the stability of ice-sheets along the entire Antarctic coastline (Science 281 549). Rignot used radar data taken between 1992 and 1996 by two European satellites, ERS-1 and ERS-2, to generate interference patterns that are sensitive to small vertical movements. These patterns provide information on the velocity of the ice - how fast it is creeping towards the bay - and the hinge point - the position on the glacier at which ice moves from resting on the bay bed to ice floating on the water. Recent measurements have suggested that the Pine Island glacier is melting at a much faster rate than other large ice shelves in the Antarctic. Researchers believed this was being caused by an influx of warm water from the Southern Pacific Ocean. Rignot's latest work concludes that 76 ± 2 km3 of ice is being discharged into the bay each year, while only 71 ± 7 km3 is replenished from the Antarctic interior - which indicates that the glacier is shrinking at a startling rate. If this data does herald the start of collapse for the Antarctic ice sheet, water levels could rise by more than 5 m within a couple of centuries. Global warming confirmed from space [Friday August 14] Differences in the temperature of the earth's atmosphere as measured by satellites and ground-based instruments have puzzled scientists for years, and caused some politicians to doubt the reality of global warming. Now, however, calculations by Frank Wentz and Matthias Schabel of Remote Sensing Systems in California have shown that small decays in the orbit of satellites may have caused the discrepancy (Nature 394 661). Previously satellite measurements have suggested that the atmosphere was cooling at 0.05 Kelvin per decade, while ground-based instruments showed an increase of 0.13 Kelvin per decade. However, as polar satellites orbit the Earth, they suffer atmospheric drag. The thickness and height of the Earth's atmosphere is dependent on the sun's solar activity. When solar activity is at a maximum, ultraviolet rays from the sun heat the upper atmosphere. This causes the atmosphere to expand outwards, which increases the drag experienced by satellites. Wentz and Schabel calculated that this caused the orbits of polar satellites operated by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) in the US to decay by 1.2 km per year over a 17 year period. They also discovered that the Microwave Sounding Unit (MSU) used to measure the troposphere temperature profile is very sensitive to height fluctuations. By developing a correction factor for the instrument, they were able to re-evaluate the satellite data. They found that the instrument now measured a temperature rise of 0.07 Kelvin per decade instead of the previously reported fall. This new figure is similar to results predicted by computer climate models and explains why the satellites had seen increased cooling in the troposphere during periods of increased solar activity in 1979-83 and 1989-92. Humans are the cause of climate change [Thursday November 26] The controversy over the relative contributions of greenhouse gas emissions and solar activity to global warming appears to have been resolved. Tom Wigley, Richard Smith and Benjamin Santer in the US contrasted global meteorological temperature data gathered over the past 115 years with results from two leading computer models. They found that the best fit to the data occurred when this century's 0.6 C global temperature rise is assumed to have been caused mainly by mankind's output of greenhouse gases (Science 282 1676). The team looked in particular for 'lag time' effects in the data. For example, the eruption of Mt Pinatubo in the Philippines in 1991 lowered the global temperature by 0.3 C in the following year as fine aerosols of volcanic ash and sulphuric acid caused a cooling effect. However, the team believes that volcanic eruptions have a short lived effect on the long-term temperature. They therefore looked at two possible variables that could adjust climate - greenhouse gases and changes in the sun's output. Wigley and colleagues ran the two independent computer models four times, each time with a different set of parameters. In the first data set, they created a world in which greenhouse gases remained constant over 100 years and changes in solar output do not affect the climate. In the second set they assumed that the Earth's climate can be affected by solar output - called solar forcing - but greenhouse gases remain constant. The third set had no solar output, but greenhouse gases rise over time. Finally the fourth set had a mixture of both solar forcing and rising levels of greenhouse gases. They first found that there was wide discrepancies between the output of both computer models and the experimental data in the first data set. This indicated that some mechanism was increasing the global temperature this century. Then they found that if solar heating was solely responsible for climate change, the Earth's climate would have to be six times more sensitive to solar heating than realistic estimates suggest. Wigley, Smith and Santer concluded that unlike a paper published in Physical Review Letters this week (see CERN plans global-warming experiment), the only model that matched both simulation and experimental data sets was the one containing a strong greenhouse gas effect and a small amount of solar heating. According to Wigley: "These results provide another important piece in the jigsaw puzzle of climate change, strengthening yet further our confidence that there has been a discernible human influence on climate. Furthermore, they provide additional evidence that the models used to make projections of future climate change are realistic." Regards; Dennis Tall Ships http://pw1.netcom.com/~atech/tallship.html Concentric Tori http://pw1.netcom.com/~atech/GoldCTori_A.JPG From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Dec 9 11:04:28 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA22388; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 11:04:17 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 11:04:17 -0800 From: HLafonte@aol.com Message-ID: <1dd3cb36.366ec8fa@aol.com> Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 14:01:14 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: to Stefan's questions on device Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 49 Resent-Message-ID: <"tc3RR2.0.jT5.nciRs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7971 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com In a message dated 98-12-09 03:49:27 EST, you write: > Do you just use a static diode in parallel with the coil ? > How do you get then over point A to a contineous rotation ? > What do you do at Point A to free the rotor from the attraction forces of the metal plates ? > Regards, Stefan Hi Stefan, For testing at this point the diode is mounted on the coil as shown in drawing on my site, under heading " coil circuit". I may use a balance system to make the forces neutral in the system, but at this point I think one will not be needed for these reasons as follows. The rotor as you know has a coil with a ferro-magnetic core that leaves point A with out being attracted to the plate because the flux has been diverted to the permanent magnet on the rotor. Now the flux path is between the two permanent magnets and by-passes the ferrite core of the coil. It is now free to move away from the plates with no attraction between it and the plates. The rotor goes into the wedge with more force or the same force (kinetic energy) than it takes to move away from the wedge at point A . Tests will show if it goes into the wedge with more force or the same force to leave point A. This ability to leave free from the wedge at point A is due to the additional pull that comes from the coil/core. This "pulling" force comes from the collapse of the magnetic field around it creating a current flow in the coil, and a flux in the same direction as the collapsing flux. This collapse is caused by the rotor's permanent magnet coming into play and diverting the flux away from the coil/core. Hope this helps. I have put a pendulum design on my site to help illustrate the theory. If still unclear, please feel free to as questions. Thanks for your interest in the design, I need all the help I can get. Regards, Butch http://members.aol.com/_ht_b/HLafonte/lafonteresearchsite1web.html or LaFonte Research Site 1 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Dec 9 11:15:37 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA28285; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 11:15:35 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 11:15:35 -0800 From: HLafonte@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 14:04:51 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Overunity pendulum version on site Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 49 Resent-Message-ID: <"J_jR3.0.nv6.MniRs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7972 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com LaFonte Research Site 1 or http://members.aol.com/_ht_b/HLafonte/lafonteresearchsite1web.html From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Dec 9 11:23:57 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA31412; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 11:23:54 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 11:23:54 -0800 Message-ID: <366ED1BC.2149C826@harti.com> Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 20:38:36 +0100 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: leoguitar@vossnet.de Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, HLafonte@aol.com Subject: Re: to Stefan's questions on device References: <1dd3cb36.366ec8fa@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"sYwKL3.0.ig7.9viRs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7973 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com HLafonte@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 98-12-09 03:49:27 EST, you write: > > > Do you just use a static diode in parallel with the coil ? > > How do you get then over point A to a contineous rotation ? > > What do you do at Point A to free the rotor from the attraction > forces of the metal plates ? > > Regards, Stefan Well, the real question must be: How do you get away with the magnet showing the Southpole at point A. When the southpole magnet is at the point A it will not rotate any further until you put energy into the system to free it from this point. Or did I not understand it correctly ? Try to build something like this, this will give you much more insight and occasionally you will stumble accross a different effect which will be worth studying. Regards, Stefan. > > Hi Stefan, > For testing at this point the diode is mounted on the coil as shown in drawing > on my site, under heading " coil circuit". > I may use a balance system to make the forces neutral in the system, but at > this point I think one will not be needed for these reasons as follows. > The rotor as you know has a coil with a ferro-magnetic core that leaves point > A with out being attracted to the plate because the flux has been diverted to > the permanent magnet on the rotor. Now the flux path is between the two > permanent magnets and by-passes the ferrite core of the coil. It is now free > to move away from the plates with no attraction between it and the plates. > The rotor goes into the wedge with more force or the same force (kinetic > energy) than it takes to move away from the wedge at point A . Tests will show > if it goes into the wedge with more force or the same force to leave point A. > This ability to leave free from the wedge at point A is due to the additional > pull that comes from the coil/core. This "pulling" force comes from the > collapse of the magnetic field around it creating a current flow in the coil, > and a flux in the same direction as the collapsing flux. This collapse is > caused by the rotor's permanent magnet coming into play and diverting the flux > away from the coil/core. > Hope this helps. I have put a pendulum design on my site to help illustrate > the theory. > If still unclear, please feel free to as questions. > Thanks for your interest in the design, I need all the help I can get. > Regards, > Butch > http://members.aol.com/_ht_b/HLafonte/lafonteresearchsite1web.html or > > LaFonte Research Site 1 -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Dec 9 12:33:58 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA29848; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 12:33:53 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 12:33:53 -0800 Message-ID: <366EE20C.70DB9394@harti.com> Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 21:48:12 +0100 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: leoguitar@vossnet.de Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Newman-L Mailing List , freenrg-l , Evan Soule Subject: New Newman motor idea... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"pMtd-.0.DI7.mwjRs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7974 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi All, what do you think of a Newman motor design, where one puts a capacitance parallel to the Newman coil, so that the resonance frequency of this LC circuit matches the rotating frequency of the magnet inside the coil ? because at the resonance frequency, maybe 5 Hz, the AC resistance of a parralel LC circuit is very high, it would need very low power input from the AC generator driving it at at 5 Hz resonance frequency. Thus the magnet would rotate with 5 Hz = 300 rpm inside the coil. Has this already been tried ? What do you think ? Comments please. Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Dec 9 12:50:14 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA02272; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 12:50:11 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 12:50:11 -0800 Message-ID: <366EE25E.B7A4B3B8@bway.net> Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 15:49:34 -0500 From: Caigan X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Whistlers & Bob Beck References: <3.0.1.32.19981202002334.0072536c@pophost.nor.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"gTnIi3.0.PZ.3AkRs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7975 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com mindtech@nor.com.au wrote: > > This was written up in Beck's privately distributed paper circa > 1974. In it were the complete schematics for his Schumann (ELF) detector, > excluding the emitter coil and driver. Subjects reported "psychedelic" type > experiences. Today we have better components, ultra low noise op amps, than > the SOT discrete approach he used. Hi, Peter, Fred & All! I spoke briefly with Dr. Beck this past weekend at the N.Y. Health 'Expo', and asked about the availability of the paper in question. To be brief, it is NOT available from him, or from his sponsors . If that paper ever does turn up, I'd very much like a copy of it -heck, ESPECIALLY the schematics! --Khem Caigan From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Dec 9 13:06:03 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA09264; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 13:06:00 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 13:06:00 -0800 Posted-Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 23:02:33 +0300 (MEST) Message-ID: <366EE64F.8A1DBD8E@verisoft.com.tr> Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 23:06:24 +0200 From: hamdi ucar X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg Subject: Re: New Newman motor idea... References: <366EE20C.70DB9394@harti.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"l6x1N.0.fG2.tOkRs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7976 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Stefan, Everything is possible, but with low probability of course. Low probability, mainly because, OU operation does not like smooth symmetric signals as external LC induced resonances, but dirty switchings, to OU energy find its own way. Also high impedance at leads of coils and less capacitance is preferred. gives freedom for it own oscillations. But who really knows? It seems the original setup with arc gap with hiss is perfect environment, IMHO. Did you analysed the voltage current waveforms while the circuit is hissing. I regard to the hissing sound as right artifact of OU operation. Regards, hamdi ucar Stefan Hartmann wrote: > > Hi All, > > what do you think of a Newman motor > design, > where one puts a capacitance parallel to the Newman > coil, so that the resonance frequency of this LC > circuit matches the rotating frequency of the magnet inside > the coil ? > > because at the resonance frequency, maybe 5 Hz, > the AC resistance of a parralel LC circuit is very high, > it would need > very low power input from the AC generator driving it at > at 5 Hz resonance frequency. > > Thus the magnet would rotate with 5 Hz = 300 rpm > inside the coil. > > Has this already been tried ? > > What do you think ? > > Comments please. > > Regards, Stefan. > > -- > Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann > Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany > Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 > email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com > http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Dec 9 14:28:55 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA07942; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 14:28:48 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 14:28:48 -0800 Message-ID: <001c01be228c$c82fe360$3a8419d4@xxx> From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Vicente_Jos=E9_Ramos_Orenga?=" To: , Cc: Subject: RE: SPDT SWITCH Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 10:25:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"yaKAV2.0._x1.VclRs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7977 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi, Patrick and all... A new tesla switch? or maybe a scalar battery chareger?... SAVE YOUR MONEY. In all case you can visit JLN page and see the Scalar Battery Charger to view a simply way to make this with FETS. Vicente. -----Mensaje original----- De: Patrick Tremblay Para: smacgregor@aasp.net CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Fecha: miércoles, 09 de diciembre de 1998 0:25 Asunto: SPDT SWITCH >Hi Scott, > >I am buidling an overunity circuit and I will need a SPDT SWITCH, you know >the switch that has three leads and two positions. > >I need to have an automatic switch that would oscillate continuously from >position 1 to position 2. > >I will need frequencies from 100Hz to 1000Hz > >I was planning to build a system of such using a 555 timer and two >transistors. > >But I was woundering, could I buy a ready made system, if so where could I >buy one. Do you know of a web site that sells such a component. > >Thanks. > >Best Regards, > >Patrick Tremblay. > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Dec 9 15:44:38 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA00380; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 15:44:32 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 15:44:32 -0800 Message-ID: <004301be23cd$c34ca300$0dea39cc@default> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: New Newman motor idea... Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 15:02:08 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"NkQkd2.0.l5.VjmRs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7978 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Hamdi and Stefan, > >It seems the original setup with arc gap with hiss is perfect environment, IMHO. Did you analysed the voltage current waveforms while the circuit is hissing. > >I regard to the hissing sound as right artifact of OU operation. Yes, I agree. It is only in the nonlinear regions where effects may appear. I haven't seen any response to my post _ Idea, plasmas, and the Newman machine _ where I said: An interesting consequence of operating the arc or electron beam in air is that some air ions are ionized, and this may allow for the critical velocity to be reduced by a considerable factor, as described by Harold Aspden: massive ions can allow for anomalous reaction forces on a cathode plate because both inertial forces and electromagnetic forces must be balanced in any interchange between different portions of the arc or beam. This allows a transfer of momentum of the particles toward the cathode. Thus part of the beam may accelerate beyond the desired threshold because of the presence of air. This may account for the hissing heard in the succesful recent experiments. There are also early reports by Roentgen and others of anomalous energy releases in Nitrogen and other gases that may be related to this effect. It seems to me that given the known transmutation effects that occur in arcs, the experiments of Roentgen showing anomalous energy in discharges in Nitrogen, of course prevalent in air, and the anomalous reaction forces described by Tanberg and other early arc researchers, as well as of course the more recent researches of Correa and others, it would be a major mistake to neglect the plasma aspects of the Newman machine. In my opinion the rotating magnet in the Newman machine serves only to create a large variation in inductance. Then the commutator arcs are subject to parametric instabilities which allow for acceleration of electrons past the 70% limit prescribed by the Ampere law for anti-entropic operation, re my earlier post. The same effect could be created more efficiently by a "stable" arc discharge which included a nonlinear inductance, like a saturable reactor, in its path, or perhaps a continuously varied inductor. I haven't gotten around to drawing up designs for this because of other committments, but I have hopes that I will have time for this soon. Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Dec 9 15:44:47 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA00464; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 15:44:42 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 15:44:42 -0800 Message-ID: <004401be23cd$c48263e0$0dea39cc@default> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: Whistlers & Bob Beck Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 15:04:37 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"XzIWX3.0.47.ejmRs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7979 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Caigan, > I spoke briefly with Dr. Beck this past weekend at the N.Y. >Health 'Expo', and asked about the availability of the paper >in question. To be brief, it is NOT available from him, or >from his sponsors . Too bad. Any reasons why? Too powerful, perhaps? If that paper ever >does turn up, I'd very much like a copy of it -heck, >ESPECIALLY the schematics! > Maybe Peter can send both of us the schematics in email in some way. Any possibility of this Peter? Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Dec 9 17:55:14 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA22182; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 17:55:01 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 17:55:01 -0800 Message-ID: <002c01be23e0$341b3f80$4bb120cc@p133> From: "Mark N. Iverson" To: Subject: Re: National Security Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 17:54:54 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"8fJk1.0.VQ5.qdoRs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7980 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com -----Original Message----- From: Dennis C. Lee To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Sunday, December 06, 1998 10:58 AM Subject: National Security (was Re: Zero-point Entertainment Inc) >Hi; [ deletions...] >There's the old 'National Security' excuse they might pull out of mothballs. [ deleted a few sentences...] >I don't see how national security is compromised either. Come on Dennis...you're an intelligent person... carry the line of reasoning out, but put yourself in the position of the people who have to worry about defending this country... There job, or yours if you were heading up the DOD, is to have better technology than anyone else in the world... Any of the legit OU technologies are likely going to cause a rewrite of at least a significant part of 'modern' physics, or, will cause an entirely new chapter to be written... the immediate benefit to the world is obvious, and a very noble cause for your and other OU inventors' efforts... HOWEVER, any technology can also be applied to weapons... thus, those countries that know about that new chapter in physics are not about to let the cat out of the bag, because then they would not have an advantage over the rest of the world... That new technology would also be available to any terrorist group! Not a very comforting thought, eh? All serious researchers in the area of OU, and other 'fringe' science areas must keep this picture in mind.... however, I think that one day soon the power centers won't be able to keep the genie in the bottle any longer, and the world will just have to deal with the consequences! >What if everyone had one of those generators? great! >What if all electricity were free? great! >Things might be less expensive. Yep, and whole new opportunities would open up, and the benefit to the world is beyond imagination.... I don't think that anyone in this mailing list would argue that there is tremendous good that would come from the commercialization of this kind of technology... I also don't think that anyone in this mailing list would argue that the commercialization of this kind of technology would cause quite a disruption in the world economy for the short term... on the order of years I would guess... >We might all be able to spend more >time doing art. Oh No! We wouldn't want something like that now would we? >I'd like a specific accounting of how Free Energy is a threat to 'National >Security' succinctly explained completely, in writing. Can anyone do it? Just did... >If not, it may be that those who interfere with Free Energy are really >commiting acts of TREASON. We the citizens, who are the constituents of the >NATION, are having poor future outlooks because of our present >energy/transportation system. It may very well be that 'National Security' >is being jeapodized by NOT allowing Free Energy / Antigravity devices to be >marketed. yes, but which is jeapordizing the NS more? is the question you have to ask... Obviously, the power centers feel their perspective is the 'right' one...and that is what all OU researchers/inventors are up against, and for which a strategy needs to be developed... altruistic motives is not enough! And a viable strategy, I believe, does exist... the internet is probably one of the best things to come down the pike that has the potential to help implement the strategy... Frankly, I wouldn't hold off on bringing a family into this world if that is a strong desire on your part... Try to remain optimistic... >Regards; >Dennis Best Wishes to you and all the members of this list, Sincerely, Mark From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Dec 9 17:57:33 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA29159; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 17:57:15 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 17:57:15 -0800 (PST) From: HLafonte@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 20:43:54 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Drawing with balance system on site Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 49 Resent-Message-ID: <"mLfHW2.0.W77.vfoRs"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7981 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Stefan, See if this drawing makes any sence to you. It's the last drawing on site. LaFonte Research Site 1 or http://members.aol.com/_ht_b/HLafonte/lafonteresearchsite1web.html Thanks, Butch From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Dec 9 18:37:35 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA07649; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 18:37:30 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 18:37:30 -0800 X-Sender: bailey@shell14.ba.best.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 18:40:13 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com (Freengr List) From: pgb@padrak.com (Patrick Bailey) Subject: Great Ref. On Voltage with No Current Path!!! Resent-Message-ID: <"ssskF3.0.Mt1.gFpRs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7982 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com ------- I Say: Get This Book!!! NOW!!! Patrick Bailey. Have your local bookstore order 12. ------- Secrets of Cold War Technology: Project HAARP and Beyond By: Gerry Vassilkatos ------- Published by: BORDERLAND SCIENCES RESEARCH FOUNDATION P.O. Box 220 Bayside, CA 95524 USA ISBN 0-945685-17-3 Library of Congress Catalog Number: 96-78764 Cover List Price: $15.95 ------- Table of Contents: Prologue Symbols and Models Chapter I Nikola Tesla and Radiant Energy Chapter 2 Marquese Guglielmo Marconi and Wave Radio Chapter 3 Superior Directives and Privatized Military Research Chapter 4 Nuclear Weaponry and Nuclear Hybrids Chapter 5 Radar EMP and lonoscatter Technology Chapter 6 Military VLF and ELF Technology Chapter 7 Auroral Energy Research Chapter 8 Orbital Reconnaissance Radiation Technology ------- >From Page 32: RADIANT ELECTRICITY Through successive experimental arrangements, Tesla discovered several facts concerning the production of his effect. First, the cause was undoubtedly found in the abruptness of charging. It was in the switch closure, the very instant of "closure and break", which thrust the effect out into space. The effect was definitely related to time, IMPULSE time. Second, Tesla found that it was imperative that the charging process occurred in a single impulse. No reversal of current was permissible, else the effect would not manifest. In this, Tesla made succinct remarks describing the role of capacity in the spark-radiative circuit. He found that the effect was powerfully strengthened by placing a capacitor between the disrupter and the dynamo. While providing a tremendous power to the effect, the dielectric of the capacitor also served to protect the dynamo windings. Not yet sure of the process at work in this phenomenon, Tesla sought the empirical understanding required for its amplification and utilization. He had already realized the significance of this unexpected effect. The idea of bringing this strange and wondrous new phenomenon to its full potential already suggested drilling new possibilities in his mind. He completely abandoned research and development of alternating current systems after this event intimating that a new technology was about to unfold. The effect could also be greatly intensified to new and more powerful levels by raising the voltage, quickening the switch "make-break" rate, and shortening the actual time of switch closure. Thus far, Tesla employed rotating contact switches to produce his unidirectional impulses. When these mechanical impulse systems failed to achieve the greatest possible effects, Tesla sought a more "automatic" and powerful means. He found this "automatic switch" in special electrical arc dischargers. The high voltage output of a DC generator was applied to twin conductors through his new arc mechanism, a very powerful permanent magnet sitting crosswise to the discharge path. The discharge arc was automatically and continually "blown out" by this magnetic field. Imperative toward obtaining the desired rare effect, the capacitor and its connected wire lines had to be so chosen as to receive and discharge the acquired electrostatic charge in unidirectional staccato fashion. The true Tesla circuit very much resembles a pulse jet, where no back pressure ever stops the onrushing flow. Electrostatic charge rises to a maximum, and is discharged much more quickly. The constant application of high voltage dynamo pressure to the circuit insures that continual successions of "charge-rapid discharge' are obtained. It is then and only then that the Tesla Effect is observed. Pulses literally flow through the apparatus from the dynamo. The capacitor, disrupter, and its attached wire lines, behave as the flutter valve. [Note that the circuit CONTAINS an electromagnet. Hans Coler. Methernitha. Sparky Sweet. Etc.] ------- From: Page 35 Tesla found that impulse duration alone defined the effect of each succinct spectrum. These effects were completely distinctive, endowed with strange additional qualities never purely experienced in Nature. Moreover, Tesla observed distinct color changes in the discharge space when each impulse range had been reached or crossed. Never before seen discharge colorations did not remain a mystery for long. Trains of impulses, each exceeding 0.1 millisecond duration, produced pain and mechanical pressures. In this radiant field, objects visibly vibrated and even moved as the force field drove them along. Thin wires, exposed to sudden bursts of the radiant field, exploded into vapor. Pain and physical movements ceased when impulses of 100 microseconds or less were produced. These latter features suggested weapon systems of frightful potentials. With impulses of 1.0 microsecond duration, strong physiological heat was sensed. Further decreases in impulse brought spontaneous illuminations capable of filling rooms and vacuum globes with white light. At these impulse frequencies, Tesla was able to stimulate the appearance of effects which are normally admixed among the electromagnetic energies inherent in sunlight. Shorter impulses produced cool room penetrating breezes, with an accompanying uplift in mood and awareness. There were no limits in this progression toward impulses of diminished duration. None of these impulse energies could be duplicated through the use of high frequency harmonic alternations, those which Sir Oliver Lodge popularized, and which later was embodied in Marconi Wave Radio. Few could reproduce these effects because so few understood the absolute necessity of observing those parameters set by Tesla. These facts have been elucidated by Eric Dollard, who also successfully obtained the strange and distinct effects claimed by Tesla. TRANSFORMER By 1890, after a period of intense experimentation and design development, Tesla summarized the components necessary for the practical deployment of a radiant electrical power distribution system. Tesla had already discovered the wonderful fact that impulse durations of 100 microseconds or less could not be sensed and would do no physiological harm. He planned to use these in his power broadcast. Furthermore, shocking waves of 100 microsecond duration passed through all matter, a fitting form of electrical energy to broadcast throughout the stone, steel, and glass of a power-needy city. Tesla would not expect distortions with specially adjusted energy fields, vectors which permeated matter without interactive effects. Tesla made a most startling discovery the same year, when placing a long single-turn copper helix near his magnetic disrupter. The coil, some two feet in length, did not behave as did solid copper pipes and other objects. The thin- [Defines the pulse-width operating region.] ------- >From Page 36: walled coil became ensheathed in an envelope of white sparks. Undulating from the crown of this coil were very long and fluidic silvery white streamers, soft discharges which appeared to have been considerably raised in voltage. These effects were greatly intensified when the helical coil was placed within the disrupter wire circle. Inside this "shockzone", the helical coil was surrounded in a blast which hugged into its surface, and rode up the coil to its open end. It seemed as though the shockwave actually pulled away from surrounding space to cling to the coil surface, a strange attractive preference. The shockwave flowed over the coil at right angles to the windings, an unbelievable effect. The sheer length of discharges leaping from the helix crown was incomprehensible. With the disrupter discharge jumping I inch in its magnetic housing, the white fliinmering discharges rose from the helix to a measured length of over two feet. This discharge equalled the very length of the coil itself'. It was an unexpected and unheard transformation. Here was an action more nearly "electrostatic" in nature, although he knew that academes would not comprehend this term when used in this situation. Electrostatic energy did not fluctuate as did his shockwaves. The explosive shockwave had characteristics unlike any other electrical machine in existence. Yet Tesla stated that the shockwave, during the brief instant in which it made its explosive appearance, more nearly resembled an electrostatic field than any other known electrical manifestation. just as in electrostatic friction machines, where current and magnetism are negligible, a very energetic field component fills space in radiating lines. This 'dielectric" field normally launches through space in a slow growth as charges are gathered. Here was a case where a DC generator provided the high voltage. This voltage charged an insulated hoop of copper, growing to its maximum value. If all values in the circuit were properly balanced, in the manner prescribed by Tesla, a sudden charge collapse would then occur. This collapse was necessarily very much shorter than the interval required to charge the hoop. The collapse comes when the magnetic disrupter extinguishes the arc. If the circuit is properly structured, no backrush alternations ever occur. This unidirectional succession of charge-discharge impulses causes a very strange field to expand outward, one which vaguely resembles a "Stuttering' or 'staccato" electrostatic field. But these terms did not satisfactorily describe the conditions actually measured around the apparatus, a powerful radiant effect exceeding all expectable electrostatic values. Actual calculation of these discharge ratios proved impossible. Implementing the standard magneto-inductive transformer rule, Tesla was unable to account for the enormous voltage multiplication effect. Conventional relationships failing, Tesla hypothesized that the effect was due entirely to radiant transformation rules, obviously requiring empirical determination. Subsequent measurements of discharge lengths and helix attributes provided the necessary new mathematical relationship. He had discovered a new induction law, one where radiant shockwaves [OK - so read that last large paragraph again. Think about the Methernitha Swiss M-L Converter and the Newman Motor!!!] ------- >From Page 37: actually auto-intensified when encountering segmented objects. The segmentation was the key to releasing the action. Radiant shockwaves encountered an helix and "flashed over" the outer skin, from end to end. This shockwave did not pass through the windings of the coil at all, treating the coil surface as an aerodynamic plane. The shockwave pulse auto-intensified exactly as gas pressures continually increase when passing through Venturi tubes. A consistent increase in electrical pressure was measured along the coil surface. Indeed, Tesla stated that voltages could often be increased at an amazing 10,000 volts per inch of axial coil surface. This meant that a 24 inch coil could absorb radiant shockwaves which initially measured 10,000 volts, with a subsequent maximum rise to 240,000 volts! Such transformations of voltage were unheard with apparatus of this volume and simplicity. Tesla further discovered that the output voltages were mathematically related to the resistance of turns in the helix. Higher resistance meant higher voltage maxima. He began referring to his disrupter line as his special "primary", and to the helical coil placed within the shockzone, as his special "secondary". But he never intended anyone to equate these terms with those referring to magnetoelectric transformers. This discovery was indeed completely different from magneto-induction. There was a real and measurable reason why he could make this outlandish statement. There was an attribute which completely baffled Tesla for a time. Tesla measured a zero current condition in these long copper secondary coils. He determined that the current which should have appeared was completely absent. Pure voltage was rising with each inch of coil surface. Tesla constantly referred to his "electrostatic induction laws", a principle which few comprehended. Tesla called the combined disrupter and secondary helix a 'Transformer". Tesla Transformers are not magnetoelectric devices, they use radiant shockwaves, and produce pure voltage without current. No university High Frequency Coil must ever be called a "Tesla Coil", since the devices usually employed in demonstration halls are the direct result of apparatus perfected by Sir Oliver Lodge and not by Nikola Tesla. The Tesla Transformer is an impulse apparatus, and cannot be as easily constructed except by strict conformity with parameters which Tesla enunciated. Tesla Transformers produce extraordinary white impulse discharges of extreme length and pressure, which exceed the alternating violet spark displays of Lodge Coils. This is illustrated by noting the manner in which Tesla Transformers are actually constructed. While looking and seeming the same, each system actually performs very different functions. Lodge Coils are alternators. Tesla Transformers are unidirecdonal impulses. The most efficient Tesla Transformations were obtained only when the dis- ruptive radiating wire line equalled the mass of the helical coil. [Voltage multiplication in the inner coil!] ------- >From Page 39: examining the white flames, Tesla realized why there was no measurable "electrical current" at the crown of these activated coils. The normal heavy charge carriers, electrons, could not travel as quickly as the radiant pulse itself. Choked in the metallic lattice of the coil, electrons became immobile. No electron current moved through the coil at all. The radiant pulse which moved over the coil surface, was therefore not electronic in nature. Additionally, Tesla discovered an amazing phenomenon which removed all doubt concerning the true nature of energetic carriers at work in his apparatus. Tesla arranged a very heavy a U-shaped copper bus-bar, connecting both legs directly to his disrupter primary. Across the legs of this U-shaped busbar were placed several incandescent lamps. The arrangement was a very evident short circuit. The lamps were illuminated to a brilliant cold white light, while being shorted by a heavy copper shunt. Uncharacteristic of particulate current electricity, the bright but cold lamps revealed that another energetic current was indeed flowing through the "short-circuits". Those who observed this experiment did not expected it to perform any function save the incineration of the disrupter circuit and possibly of the dynamo itself. Instead of this, witnesses beheld a marvel. The lamps lit to an uncommon brightness. In this simple demonstration, Tesla was illustrating but one of his many evidences. Electronic charges would prefer the least resistant circuit rejecting the incandescent bulbs for the copper path. The current in this situation chose to conform with a contradictory principle. Perhaps this was true because the currents were not electrical. Tesla repeatedly used this demonstration to evidence the "fractionation" of currents electronic, from currents neutral. LUNUNIFEROUS ETHER A single question remained, the answer to which would provide him with the essential information needed to create a new technology. What so separated or 'fractioned" the diverse mobile carriers in his Transformer? It was the geometric configuration of the coil which inadvertently separated each component. Electrons were blocked from flowing through the wire length, while the radiant pulse was released over the coil surface as a gaseous pulse. Electrons should have drifted through the wire but, during each impulse period, were blocked by the line resistance. Thus, the gaseous mobile carriers were released to flow outside the wire, a pulse which travelled along the outer coil surface from end to end. Here then was evidence that electrical discharges were indeed composed of several simultaneous mobile species. Tesla now comprehended why his first high frequency alternating currents never evidenced these powerful actions. It was the abruptness, the violence of the impulsive discharge, which gave free ------- [Page 41 talks about the identification and use of two elements much lighter than Hydrogen that were originally placed into the Periodic Table. The idea is that the aether could be made of these elements. Toby recalls how these are predicted and shown in the Walter Russell 2-D Table of the Elements, in his papers. Right-On. Russell also used ice-cream cone (or conic) shaped coils. So did Tesla - keep reading...] ------- >From Pages 42-43: He often exposed himself to the very shortest of aether impulse radiance, discovering the mind-elevating effects grew with time. AEtheric energy demonstrated growth characteristics which Tesla noted with amazement. It is impossible to comprehend Teslian Technology apart from the controversial topic concerning the aether. Many analysts will reject the concept without first seeking out and discovering the proofs which have been established by experimenters such as Eric Dollard. Nevertheless, the overwhelming evidence proves that Tesla had indeed been first to identify the gases which Dr. Mendeleev had so long predicted. Tesla addressed the notion that aether streams were being pulled through his Transformers, drawn in at higher natural pressure, and accelerated in the sharp electrical discharge. As electrical systems, Tesla apparatus cannot completely be understood or explained. One must view Teslian Technology as an aether gas technology, one capable of being explained only through gas-dynamic analogues. It was now easy to understand how such projected rays, aether gas streams under high pressure, could penetrate metals and insulators alike. These powerful rays often could penetrate certain materials with inexplicable efficiency. Electricity did not perform these wonders. Tesla also now understood why these discharge streams produced their smoothly hissing sounds, visibly appearing like gas jets under high pressure. Ether gas under pressure. But what of the other characteristics of this gaseous component? Here was a new world of forces and dynamics vaguely glimpsed by researchers such as Luigi Galvani who, in order to release the more vitalizing components observed in metals which were aerially disposed or grounded, persistently sought the elimination of electronic charge. Tesla was completely mystified. He had successfully released the mystery current, normally suppressed and bound in electronic charge carriers. Unidirectional impulsive discharges of high voltage and abrupt durations released them. What other potentials would aether gas technology release? BROADCAST POWER The original cylindrical coils were quickly replaced with cone shaped coils. With these bizarre geometries, Tesla was able to focus the gas-dynamic component, which now rose up like a jet of hissing white light from the coil tip. Tesla recognized that these discharges, while spectacular and awe inspiring, actually represented lost power. A power broadcast station had to evenly disperse the energetic radiance in all directions. Flame-like discharges caused the available power to undulate in space. This would produce unpredictable power drops at great distances. Consumers would not receive a reliable and consistent stream of energy. If his Power Transformer was to operate with highest broadcast efficiency, these flame-like discharges necessarily had to be suppressed. But suppressing these excessive oether jets proved problematic. ------- [If we do not do experiments with this - we are not going to advance. Who can get me Eric Dollard's mail address and/or email address and/or phone number. We have a Project to begin here Boys.] ------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Dec 9 18:54:53 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA15316; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 18:54:47 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 18:54:47 -0800 From: MATTIARO@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 21:41:21 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: New Newman motor idea... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 236 Resent-Message-ID: <"K0zrI2.0.Cl3.sVpRs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7983 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hello one and all. Newman says that the motor is NOT a perpetual machine. He states that the motor obeys Einstein's law of E=MC^2. I have looked and looked, but the only place where any matter can change into energy is the "hissing arc". Has anyone put a geiger counter and checked for any radioactive residue at the arc? And what is the byproduct? Matti mattiaro@aol.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Dec 9 22:03:06 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA23769; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 22:03:00 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 22:03:00 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 01:12:43 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: The ACC TRANSCAPACITOR Resent-Message-ID: <"nGslC2.0.Ep5.JGsRs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7984 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com I also wanted to pass along some interesting pro and con information regarding the ACC TRANSCAPACITOR: "AMERICAN COMPUTER COMPANY unearths previously unknown electronic device it claims it obtained by analyzing notes about Alien Artifact examined by Bell Labs 50 years ago, notes that were sold ACC by an unnamed source... New York, NY December 7, 1997 - For Immediate Release In an earthshaking Press Release, the American Computer Company, Cranford, NJ (http://american-computer.com) announced: a) In July of 1947, the Department of the Army Air Force, secured debris from one crashed Aircraft and a complete Aircraft which was landed by occupants trying to determine the status of their comrades from the first crash site. The Aircraft captured by the Air Force, it is said, are allegedly of ExtraTerrestrial Manufacture, bearing engineering wonders previously unseen by humans. b) As a result of an indepth study by ACC of notes and things it purchased from an unnamed source who had worked on the project involving IBM and AT&T during 1947, who were hired to analyze the wreck and the intact craft by the Air Force in August of 1947, -- ACC has elected to announce that it has discovered a previously undetected electronic component, one that it feels the Air Force, IBM and Bell Labs overlooked. At least one past analysis of the debris allegedly led to AT&T Bell Labs announcement of the Transistor in September of 1947, and yet, ACC has indicated that Bell Labs, the Army and Air Force Research Labs, and IBM Research "completely missed one of the key components in the debris they were given to analyze". c) The component American Computer Company discovered, has been dubbed the "Transfer Capacitor". ACC has decided to refer to it as the Transcap or Transcapacitor, and as the "T-CAP" for short. ACC has noticed that it is reserving these names, along with the Transpacitor, as ACC Trademarks and Usage Marks. It has several advanced features heretofor unidentified in the electronics industry, and it is UNRELATED to the Transistor in composition: ACC claimed that the "T-CAP" can store energy in "levels" using a single microelectronic component device that could be manufactured as small as physics permits, having only four fundamental elements (the Transistor has only three), to whit, as small as a small part of a Micron, at the molecular level, smaller even than a single Transistor as are used in today's microchips. ACC said that the energy levels the T-CAP can store can represent mathematical values up to 10 to the 23rd power, and can be recalled, all using only a single Transcap device and a simple circuit design. The Transcap could revolutionize memory devices, as it replaces as many as 50 to 1000 Transistors used in common Memory Chips. A version of the Transcap can be used as a comparator to enable "analog boolean mathematics" as are commonly used in Computers today. As a result, it could revolutionize the size of computers, reducing them to 1/50th to 1/1000th of their size, or increasing memory capacity by 50 to 1000 times in the same space as today's common memory systems." continued.... see referenced web-site -------------------------------------- I thought the above to be a joke at first, but to my amazement... ACC is truly admitted to reverse engineering alien technology, recovered by the USAF, some 50 years ago, near the famous Roswell UFO site! Evidently, Bell labs and AT$T had first shots at examining the miniaturized electronic-treasure trove, which led to the development of transistor, and integrated designs, soon after. However, for some reason... the transcapacitor design, was overlooked, or not understood, at the time? ACC engineers, obtained these original drawings of the hardware, and understood the possibility and investigated the functional aspects of the bookkeeper's drawings? The examination of these blueprints, led to the ACC into the conceptual development, and testing of Transcap design, and the liquid memory concept. These designs should, once perfected... facilitate the replacement of magnetic hard drives with small solid state units, with no moving parts? These chips will hold TeraBytes of data, in a much smaller space, than a HD of today's vintage. The prospects for the future of this deciphered alien high tech, is almost unlimited. Bionics... here we come, in the near future, if this is all true. Don't see how a reputable company like ACC that developed the FIRST windows based software... before MicroSoft... would willingly perpetrate a hoax at its web site! There are several other reputable military figures, that have tried to tell the public about this reverse engineered alien tech, in the past... but they were all crazy? Right? I don't think so. I believe that there indeed has been a massive cover up of alien related information, for way too long, by many governments of the world. The time is right for revelations, I believe, and am happy to see some things like this begin to surface from reputable sources, (at least I feel that this company should be very honest), as were several other individuals in the past. Don't think that the socioeconomics of the world will collapse from such revelations, not at this point in time. Military and civilian individuals in the past were harassed and ridiculed for attempting to reveal certain elements of knowledge related to the existence of alien beings in our air space. Hopefully, the governments of the world will soon realize that a cover up of this magnitude, over so many years, is not a wise or fruitful venture, and will begin to willingly, release relevant information to the public, who show an interest in this release of Top Secret documents, so long awaited by reputable UFO investigators. Belgium is the only country to my knowledge that readily admits to the existence of probable alien UFO, in their airspace, and allows the public access to relevant info. Russia appears to be loosening up on what it knows of UFO activity and the result of their long time investigations of the subject. They are beginning to release some info on what they have known of the US involvement also, but this is a slow process, that will take a long time, I am sure. You can believe these ACC revealed reports or copied alien technology, are all a hoax if you like, but I am betting that they are not. I don't believe everything that I hear or read, but I've got a hunch that this is for real. I suppose that only time will tell. :) Thanks a LOT for pointing the way to these ACC revelations of using USAF recovered alien technology. Sorta made my day! I will be eagerly looking to the future, and awaiting further developments from ACC. Wonder what ACC's ticker symbol is? Couldn't find it yesterday... but maybe they are privately owned? Does anyone know about this? just curious... and I am betting on a big success story, unless the powers of the dark side, don't intercede in some underhanded way. --- James Paul Moore _________________________________ And, for an OPPOSING view of ACC (passed along by Bert Hickman), see: http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/9587/index.html Best regards, Evan Soule' From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Dec 9 22:37:03 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA03959; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 22:36:59 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 22:36:59 -0800 X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 20:33:14 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: The ACC TRANSCAPACITOR Resent-Message-ID: <"xzfMz1.0.mz.AmsRs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7985 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Evan - > Don't see how a reputable company like ACC > that developed the FIRST windows based > software... before MicroSoft... would > willingly perpetrate a hoax at its web site! Perhaps because they also perpetrate the hoax that it was they who developed windows based software when it was in fact Apple, who hijacked it from Xerox (PARC)? - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 10 02:10:51 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id CAA17494; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 02:10:40 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 02:10:40 -0800 From: JNaudin509@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 05:10:06 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: New Online Self-Running Newman's Machine demo Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.i for Windows 95 sub 127 Resent-Message-ID: <"lVk8D2.0.FH4.VuvRs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7986 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Dear All, Today, I have added a better quality video with english subtitle and additional comments. This is an online video. If you have already installed the RealPlayer video v5 G2 in your computer, you can launch this : http://members.aol.com/jnaudin509/images/nwjlndhq.smi This is also added in my web site at : http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/delany/256/html/nwjlself.htm Best Regards, Jean-Louis Naudin From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 10 03:23:47 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id DAA26513; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 03:23:43 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 03:23:43 -0800 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981210113032.011abbc4@popd.ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: atech@popd.ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 06:30:32 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: "Dennis C. Lee" Subject: Re: National Security Resent-Message-ID: <"_RCWT2.0.AU6._ywRs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7987 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi; At 05:54 PM 12/9/98 -0800, you wrote: (snip) >HOWEVER, any technology can also be applied to weapons... thus, those >countries >that know about that new chapter in physics are not about to let the >cat out of the bag, >because then they would not have an advantage over the rest of the >world... That new >technology would also be available to any terrorist group! Not a very >comforting >thought, eh? So the cause of concern is that a free energy device would power some kind of energy weapon? The weather catastrophies that would result from unchecked CO2 production would eventually result in damage and loss of life that would excede what such an energy weapon would be capable of IMO. Executive Order #12958 Sec 1.8(a)(3) prohibits classifying information in order to restrain competition. So if it is the intent of oil companies to block or restrain competion by having this information maintained as classified they are in violation of this order. (snip) >>If not, it may be that those who interfere with Free Energy are >really >>commiting acts of TREASON. We the citizens, who are the constituents >of the >>NATION, are having poor future outlooks because of our present >>energy/transportation system. It may very well be that 'National >Security' >>is being jeapodized by NOT allowing Free Energy / Antigravity devices >to be >>marketed. The latest satellite data analysis indicates rising CO2 levels is causing global warming (physicsweb). I don't see how we will properly reduce CO2 levels without free energy and antigravity vehicles. >yes, but which is jeapordizing the NS more? is the question you have >to ask... >Obviously, the power centers feel their perspective is the 'right' >one...and that >is what all OU researchers/inventors are up against, and for which a >strategy >needs to be developed... altruistic motives is not enough! It appears that we're going to have to wait for natural disasters of devastating levels. I hope there will be time to come out from under the rocks and put energy systems together to save whoever is left. >And a viable strategy, I believe, does exist... the internet is >probably one of >the best things to come down the pike that has the potential to help >implement >the strategy... Maybe we can convince the powers that be not to wait until the last minute when it will be too late. Regards; Dennis Tall Ships http://pw1.netcom.com/~atech/tallship.html Concentric Tori http://pw1.netcom.com/~atech/GoldCTori_A.JPG From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 10 07:33:55 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id HAA29847; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 07:33:49 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 07:33:49 -0800 X-Sender: richarda@mailhub.icx.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19981209105753.011a1430@popd.ix.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 10:34:00 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Richard Austin Subject: Healing the Planet, (was Dennis's baby and National Security) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id HAA29820 Resent-Message-ID: <"3zPqP2.0.BI7.Sd-Rs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7988 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com ...snip > >Well which is it? It seems you say one thing then another. I'm not good at >deception. I have no place in this world. I don't find anything challenging >or interesting except the new technology. I feel that I'm doomed because of >this. I hate my life. > > >Regards; >Dennis > Hi Dennis, One of the hardest things we can do is to love ourselves. When we begin to let go of blame, shame, and other forms of self depreciation and return again to that divine spark within us that knows no fear, then we begin to heal. For 30 min to 1 hour per day let yourself go deep into the silence within through meditation, visualization, affirmation, prayer or other methods. Be willing to go deep and feel and release the inner pains and pressures you feel (feel them physically not psychologially, usually in your belly). After feeling and releasing, replace the inner void with sparkling gold divine white light. You will become lighter and more joyful, less dominated by external circumstances. Then you can enter into effective divine service to create the world we all want. Richard Austin -- email: richarda@icx.net -- radio: KG7SU Institute for Planetary Renewal http://user.icx.net/~richarda (newly updated web site) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 10 09:39:41 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA11449; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 09:39:31 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 09:39:31 -0800 Message-ID: <001701be2463$eb2e60c0$34fd07d0@r.davis> Reply-To: "R. A. Davis" From: "R. A. Davis" To: "Free Energy" Subject: Re: ACC Transcapacitor Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 12:38:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0014_01BE243A.014D5160" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"hQ8Qk2.0.oo2.IT0Ss"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7989 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01BE243A.014D5160 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I spent an hour and a half today at this website: = http://accpc.com/roswell.htm which is run by American Computer Co. = Also read the book, The Day After Roswell by an ex-Army officer named = Corso who says he was in charge of the technology recovered from the = crash site. =20 The web page is worthwhile for anyone here who identifies with Dennis = Lee's recent expressions of discontent with the Power Structure's = attitude toward breakthrough technology. At least one American company is taking a stand (and apparently paying a = price for doing so). This is not email about ufo's--hope that's understood. R. Alan Davis ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01BE243A.014D5160 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I spent an hour and a half today at = this=20 website:  http://accpc.com/roswell.htm&nb= sp; which=20 is run by American Computer Co.  Also read the book,  The = Day After=20 Roswell by an ex-Army officer named Corso who says he was in charge = of the=20 technology recovered from the crash site. 
The web page is worthwhile for = anyone here who=20 identifies with Dennis Lee's recent expressions of discontent with the = Power=20 Structure's attitude toward breakthrough technology.
At least one American company is = taking a stand=20 (and apparently paying a price for doing so).
This is not email about ufo's--hope = that's=20 understood.
R. Alan = Davis
------=_NextPart_000_0014_01BE243A.014D5160-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 10 10:12:41 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA25104; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 10:11:55 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 10:11:55 -0800 Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 13:03:42 -0500 (EST) From: John Schnurer To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Detector....Re: Whistlers & Bob Beck In-Reply-To: <004401be23cd$c48263e0$0dea39cc@default> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"c7zbD2.0.x76.ex0Ss"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7990 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Dear Vol., I have seen several designs for 'Schmann Resonance Detectors' ..to be abbreviated SRD. The large majority of them use a coil of wire of many turns.... often with a capacitor in parallel. This then is connected to a high gain amplifier. In most cases the self resonant frequncy of the coil, and its own distributed capacitance, or the coil-cap combination is of a reasonably high or long... if you will .. time period. If exposed to low level ELF magnetic fields within its resonant frequency... then there is an output at the frequency of excitation. If exposed to high level fields .... OR impulse fields ... OR high level fields with pronounced rise times ....then there is an output at the excitation frequency OR at the resonant frequency of the coil. We put one such long wire coil in the magnetically shielded room at WPAFB [Wright Patterson US Air Force Base] ... which also houses a SQUID magnetometer. Note we used the SQUID for some months to monitor SR. The coil was connected to cap in parallel and amplified by a Burr-Brown high impedance op amp. The output of the coil reflected its resonant frequency, and NOT SR... ecept for the few time the two were the same. The coil would exhibit SR artifact if exposed to fields of many types, including but not limited to; 60 cps above a certain magnitude 60 cps carrying 'jagged or "unfortunate" harmonics or rise times impulse large fields which were time variant The term "large" depended on the detector. One type was a 5 to 10 lb spool of 33 to 44 AWG magnet wire ... in these cases 10 to 50 gauss... or above... were able to creat the artifact. Bottom line: If you REALLY want to monitor SR then you MUST be sure you have at least rough calibration .. AND be sure the response if flat to within a couple of dBel over the expected range.... As an opinion I would suggest a range of 0.1 cps to 500 cps. This is NOT an easy transduction or signal processing task. But it can be done. JHS PS: Educate youself on magnetometry. On Wed, 9 Dec 1998, Fred Epps wrote: > Hi Caigan, > > > I spoke briefly with Dr. Beck this past weekend at the N.Y. > >Health 'Expo', and asked about the availability of the paper > >in question. To be brief, it is NOT available from him, or > >from his sponsors . > > Too bad. Any reasons why? Too powerful, perhaps? > > If that paper ever > >does turn up, I'd very much like a copy of it -heck, > >ESPECIALLY the schematics! > > > Maybe Peter can send both of us the schematics in email in some way. > Any possibility of this Peter? > > Fred > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 10 11:54:48 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA29148; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 11:54:29 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 11:54:29 -0800 From: HLafonte@aol.com Message-ID: <10cf8b1c.367022e6@aol.com> Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 14:37:10 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: See if you can answer this question Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 49 Resent-Message-ID: <"ZQIXU.0.H77.pR2Ss"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7991 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi all, On my web page I have a question about basic magnet behavior. Please send answer to list so we can compare. This might be fun and interesting as well as help in the design of moving magnet devices. Lets see if we get different answers. Thanks, Butch LaFonte Research Site 1 or http://members.aol.com/_ht_b/HLafonte/lafonteresearchsite1web.html From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 10 12:42:25 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA18481; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 12:42:10 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 12:42:10 -0800 Message-Id: <199812102042.VAA03924@poindexter.wirehub.nl> From: "DONDERVOGEL" To: Subject: Test... Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 21:36:05 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"9zk1i3.0.VW4.X83Ss"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7992 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 10 15:28:19 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA19310; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 15:27:51 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 15:27:51 -0800 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 07:27:36 +0800 (WST) From: egel@main.murray.net.au To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: G'day Down Under Resent-Message-ID: <"NBhyR3.0.aj4.rZ5Ss"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7993 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com --- E-Card from First Step Communications --- Geoff Egel has sent you an E-Card!!! To collect it, please go to http://www.firststep.com.au/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/firststep/ecard.pl?1470 (This will be available for up to two weeks) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 10 15:39:28 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA23906; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 15:39:14 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 15:39:14 -0800 Message-ID: <36708288.228A@tiac.net> Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 18:25:12 -0800 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: The ACC TRANSCAPACITOR References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"_E0SJ3.0.Hr5.Wk5Ss"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7994 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Evan Soule wrote: > > I also wanted to pass along some interesting pro and con information > regarding the ACC TRANSCAPACITOR: > > "AMERICAN COMPUTER COMPANY unearths previously unknown electronic device it > claims it obtained by analyzing notes about Alien Artifact examined by Bell > Labs 50 years ago, notes that were sold ACC by an unnamed source... > > New York, NY December 7, 1997 - For Immediate Release > > In an earthshaking Press Release, the American Computer Company, Cranford, > NJ (http://american-computer.com) announced: > > a) In July of 1947, the Department of the Army Air Force, secured debris > from one crashed Aircraft and a complete Aircraft which was landed by > occupants trying to determine the status of their comrades from the first > crash site. The Aircraft captured by the Air Force, it is said, are > allegedly of ExtraTerrestrial Manufacture, bearing engineering wonders > previously unseen by humans. > > b) As a result of an indepth study by ACC of notes and things it purchased > from an unnamed source who had worked on the project involving IBM and AT&T > during 1947, who were hired to analyze the wreck and the intact craft by > the Air Force in August of 1947, -- ACC has elected to announce that it has > discovered a previously undetected electronic component, one that it feels > the Air Force, IBM and Bell Labs overlooked. > > At least one past analysis of the debris allegedly led to AT&T Bell Labs > announcement of the Transistor in September of 1947, and yet, ACC has > indicated that Bell Labs, the Army and Air Force Research Labs, and IBM > Research "completely missed one of the key components in the debris they > were given to analyze". This is clearly false. I do not doubt that our government, and probably others as well, have reverse engineered any alien technology they could catch, borrow or steal. But the transistor has a clear history behind its development. It did not spring forth from nowhere as some have claimed. Semiconductors were in commercial production prior to the 1947 event. Point contact germanium diodes were an established technology, and the direct percursor to the germanium point contact transistor, the first practical transistor. This technical evolution went through several now obsolete form before the development of the modern silicon junction and field effect transistors of today. Similar claims suggest that the integrated circuit, or sometimes specifically the microprocessor is also a technology that 'sprang forth' from reverse engineering alien technology. This is interesting because the first type of transistor, the germanium point contact transistor, cannot be fabricated with the same processes that produce silicon chips! Yet both of these inventions were supposed to come from the same peice of wreckage? > I thought the above to be a joke at first, but to my amazement... ACC is > truly admitted to reverse engineering alien technology, recovered by the > USAF, some 50 years ago, near the famous Roswell UFO site! Evidently, Bell > labs and AT$T had first shots at examining the miniaturized > electronic-treasure trove, which led to the development of transistor, and > integrated designs, soon after. The development of the transistor is fairly well documented. Its origins lay in the now obsolete point contact germanium diode. This predates Roswell. > The prospects for the future of this deciphered alien high tech, is almost > unlimited. Bionics... here we come, in the near future, if this is all > true. Don't see how a reputable company like ACC that developed the FIRST > windows based software... before MicroSoft... would willingly perpetrate a > hoax at its web site! Ahhh, but this is not a reputable claim! > There are several other reputable military figures, that have tried to tell > the public about this reverse engineered alien tech, in the past... but > they were all crazy? Right? I don't think so. I believe that there indeed > has been a massive cover up of alien related information, for way too long, > by many governments of the world. Agreed, but the idea that the transistor is a product of alien technology is easily shown to be a very weak claim. Its misinformation at best. > Belgium is the only country to my knowledge that readily admits to the > existence of probable alien UFO, in their airspace, and allows the public > access to relevant info. Russia appears to be loosening up on what it knows > of UFO activity and the result of their long time investigations of the > subject. They are beginning to release some info on what they have known of > the US involvement also, but this is a slow process, that will take a long > time, I am sure. Also Spain recently released some official documents on this subject. > You can believe these ACC revealed reports or copied alien technology, are > all a hoax if you like, but I am betting that they are not. I don't believe > everything that I hear or read, but I've got a hunch that this is for real. > I suppose that only time will tell. :) I'll take that bet Evan. I agree with you in general, but this idea that the transistor and IC chip came from the Roswell crash simply does not hold water. We can see a line of commercial products and processes that lead us directly to the development of these devices. First we had selinium rectifiers, then point contact diodes. Experiments in junction diodes also began as the first point contact germanium transistor was produced (early point contact devices often had holes to allow the technican to adjust the contact points on the crystal surface!!!). Silicon junction diodes germanium and silicon junction transistors followed soon after. Its not like the transistor appears out of a room full of vacuum tubes fully hatched. That simply did not happen as the people who advanced the alien origin theory often claim. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 10 16:12:14 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA03206; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 16:11:59 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 16:11:59 -0800 MR-Received: by mta SOCCER; Relayed; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 19:04:33 -0500 (EDT) MR-Received: by mta GOSIP; Relayed; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 19:11:28 -0500 (EDT) Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 18:48:37 -0500 (EDT) From: Bill Briggs 614-752-0199 Subject: RE: Great Ref. On Voltage with No Current Path!!! In-reply-to: To: freenrg-l Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 19:04:00 -0500 (EDT) Importance: normal Priority: normal UA-content-id: E1864ZXRQR8THO X400-MTS-identifier: [;33409101218991/3397151@ODNVMS] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 2 Resent-Message-ID: <"X7HAX1.0.tn.CD6Ss"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7995 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com All, Regarding: >Secrets of Cold War Technology: >Project HAARP and Beyond >By: Gerry Vassilkatos >Published by: >BORDERLAND SCIENCES RESEARCH FOUNDATION >P.O. Box 220 >Bayside, CA 95524 USA >ISBN 0-945685-17-3 >Library of Congress Catalog Number: 96-78764 >Cover List Price: $15.95 Found it at BarnesandNoble.com They show the ISBN as 0945685203, for $12.76 plus $3.95 shipping. Bill webriggs@concentric.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 10 16:32:47 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA10400; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 16:32:33 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 16:32:33 -0800 Message-Id: <199812110032.TAA09383@express.globetrotter.net> From: "Patrick Tremblay" To: Subject: ALIENS!!! Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 19:28:51 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"dIaeD1.0.PY2.WW6Ss"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7996 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi all, What ticks me off is the fact that the government hides those alien stuff from us. You see, I haven't seen any alien craft or photos from it. So I will not say for sure that there were alien crafts that crashed in roswell and etc. What I want to see is all those supposed alien space craft that crashed. I WANT to visit such a space craft, I want my government to show me one, I want to have explanations, I want to understand the technology to make super reactionless space drive. I want to see it, if it really happened, if there were really some alien, ufo space ship crashes, I want to see the evidence. If it's true they don't have the right to hide it from us. I would like to see for myself and study for myself any space ship that supossedly is not made by man. If it's really something "extra-terrestrial" then it would be exciting to see it, touch it and analyse it and best of all replicate it. Some people have all the fun to play with the greatest stuff, just like the military that tested the ABL ( airborne laser) Now that should have been the experiment of a lifetime, to actualy shoot missiles miles away, blasting forward at mach 5. Shooting them down with a high tech laser and targeting system. Boy what would I give to be in the instruments cockpit of such a laser plane. Take care, Patrick Tremblay. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 10 16:49:01 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA15127; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 16:48:40 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 16:48:40 -0800 X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199812110032.TAA09383@express.globetrotter.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 14:44:31 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: ALIENS!!! Resent-Message-ID: <"aZqZC1.0.4i3.cl6Ss"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7997 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Patrick - > What ticks me off is the fact that the > government hides those alien stuff > from us. It's in your best interest so stop whining. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 10 17:09:15 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA22041; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 17:09:13 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 17:09:13 -0800 X-Sender: bailey@shell14.ba.best.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 17:08:23 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: pgb@padrak.com (Patrick Bailey) Subject: Re: ALIEN URLs Resent-Message-ID: <"zrt4i.0.AO5.u27Ss"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7998 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com I was suggesting that there are better places to learn about and post such info. My other website may open your eyes wider, at: http://www.padrak.com/ufo/ I just like to keep them seperate. Read the transcription by randolph Winters. I typed it. Whinewhine... Gee - I wish I was on Maui... >Patrick - > > > What ticks me off is the fact that the > > government hides those alien stuff > > from us. > >It's in your best interest so stop whining. > >- Rick Monteverde >Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 10 17:09:46 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA22155; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 17:09:44 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 17:09:44 -0800 Message-ID: <36706C33.7B12@eagleray.com> Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 19:49:55 -0500 From: Sebastian Schepis Reply-To: sebastian@eagleray.com Organization: EagleRay Software Systems, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: ALIENS!!! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"6pOqY3.0.4Q5.N37Ss"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7999 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Rick Monteverde wrote: > > Patrick - > > > What ticks me off is the fact that the > > government hides those alien stuff > > from us. > > It's in your best interest so stop whining. > > - Rick Monteverde > Honolulu, HI What are you talking about? The government hides stuff from the public not because it's in the public's best interest, but because it's in the _government's_ best interests. The government is looking to protect it's own power structures by not allowing possible foreign entities to have access to technology that could be used to destroy those power structures. To think that the government actually cares about it's citizens is a naive view of how the world works. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 10 17:16:10 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA25539; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 17:16:07 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 17:16:07 -0800 Message-ID: <36707FB8.1A7972F9@sunherald.infi.net> Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 18:13:12 -0800 From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Alien tech...WAS Re: ACC Trans... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"wgEde3.0.yE6.M97Ss"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8000 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com All: I do not doubt in the least that our government may have gotten alien technology. Something weird happened at Roswell, despite what the report says. There are too many witnesses, documents, etc. BUT: This does not mean we aquired any technology from an alien race from the crash. First of all, what will an alien civilization need to get here with a small vehicle such as supposedly crashed at Roswell? 1. Gravity control (Or: Eugene and John's big project ;) 2. Inertial control 3. A method of accelerating to superluminal velocity in a short time 4. Extremely powerful computer technology We have none of this yet, save for 1. (Podkletnov and Schnurer) So, if an alien vehicle crashed here, we could probably not do much with it. It would be like a space shuttle crashing back in the age of Shivalry. What would they do with it? Could they reverse engineer it to make rocket engines and supercomputers? No. Could they gain some VERY simple benefits from it? Maybe. According to the documents, there was supposedly severe damage to the powerplant and drive system. It probably did not operate anymore. If not, you wouldn't learn much from that. From what I've heard, there wasn't even anything remotely similar to transistors and IC chips in the wreckage. But who knows? Just a thought. Kyle R. Mcallister From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 10 17:40:04 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA00616; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 17:39:56 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 17:39:56 -0800 X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <36706C33.7B12@eagleray.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 15:36:13 -1000 To: freenrg list From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: (no more) ALIENS!!! Resent-Message-ID: <"hOYy32.0.S9.gV7Ss"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8001 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sebastian - << It's in your best interest so stop whining. > To think that the government actually cares about > it's citizens is a naive view of how the world > works. Sarcasm and irony not obvious enough in my message above? ;) Actually, I have known people in government (particularly the military) who care deeply about protecting and preserving our way of life in the US. I actually do believe that most of them share that position. But that there is an element in control of important policy and which is now completely detached and unaccountable under US democratically elected government is also quite obvious. Coverup policies regarding certain events such as UFO related activity fall under this heading, and are the target of my comments (and Patrick's). Short of the inevitable evolution of events that would clearly lead to the direct annihilation of our society (worst-case Brookings report sort of stuff), I feel we should be exposed to the truth about such events, and be allowed to confront our own destiny under the conditions such revelations might indicate. However, if this thread isn't going into experimental evidence of some sort, I suggest we cut it short here as it's rather off-topic. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 10 18:14:34 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA12462; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 18:14:11 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 18:14:11 -0800 Posted-Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 04:10:57 +0300 (MEST) Message-ID: <36707FD1.8C69E8F1@verisoft.com.tr> Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 04:13:37 +0200 From: hamdi ucar X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: VortexB , freenrg Subject: [Off topic] EXTRATERRESTRIAL CIVILIZATIONS: COMING OF AGE IN THE MILKY WAY Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"mlehx3.0.U23.o_7Ss"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8002 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Yeah, this is a public release from NASA, STSCI http://oposite.stsci.edu/pubinfo/pr/1998/43/ The article does not conclude that ET exist, but this is very rare one which the term "EXTRATERRESTRIAL CIVILIZATIONS" is spelled out by NASA. "Extraterrestrial Civilizations: Coming of Age in the Milky Way If civilizations exist around other stars they are likely to be just emerging across our Galaxy right now: like an apple orchard suddenly maturing and ripening in the autumn sun. So concludes Space Telescope Science Institute theorist Mario Livio, in a paper to be published in the Astrophysical Journal. Livio emphasizes that his theoretical work doesn't necessarily mean extraterrestrial civilizations really do exist, but it shows they cannot be dismissed either." This means it is now officially announced that talking about a really existence of extraterrestrial civilizations could not be ridiculed, or a discrediting issue. Thanks much NASA! Regards, hamdi ucar From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 10 18:25:47 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA17593; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 18:25:38 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 18:25:38 -0800 Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 20:25:29 -0600 (CST) From: Zack Widup Subject: Re: The ACC TRANSCAPACITOR To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: <36708288.228A@tiac.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"NUvJC2.0.gI4.XA8Ss"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8003 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Thu, 10 Dec 1998, Bob Shannon wrote: > > This is clearly false. > > I do not doubt that our government, and probably others as well, have > reverse > engineered any alien technology they could catch, borrow or steal. > > But the transistor has a clear history behind its development. It did > not spring forth from nowhere as some have claimed. > > Semiconductors were in commercial production prior to the 1947 event. > Point contact germanium diodes were an established technology, and the > direct percursor to the germanium point contact transistor, the first > practical transistor. > > This technical evolution went through several now obsolete form before > the development of the modern silicon junction and field effect > transistors of today. > I knew John Bardeen when he taught at the University of Illinois. I attended a series of seminars he did about the development of the transistor. He was pretty clear with the research path of its development. At no time did he mention or even hint at any alien technology being related to it. What he said made sense to me - it was developed with earth technology extant at the time. Zack From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 10 18:45:20 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA24112; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 18:44:48 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 18:44:48 -0800 Message-ID: <36708555.192D@eagleray.com> Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 21:37:09 -0500 From: Sebastian Schepis Reply-To: sebastian@eagleray.com Organization: EagleRay Software Systems, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: ALIENS!!! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"jZlCC3.0.Yu5.TS8Ss"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8004 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com ahhh. I stand corrected and agree with your statements. It is the people within the power structures that seek to protect themselves and their positions. My first response was not stated accurately enough. Ah, scientists. As far as what I would do with a $5m flying saucer? A whole heck of a lot. $2m a year to run is a drop in the bucket, if I can go to the moon or to mars with it in a very short time. There are plenty of fat cats who would pay me lots of money for a ride to the moon. And I would take full advantage of that fact, to make more money to advance my own research, and that of my peers. So if you have one for sale, and it works, let me know and I'll gladly purchase it from you. Until then, I'll be busy in my basement making my own. ;-) Sebastian Patrick Bailey wrote: > > Almost. Not quite... > > THE GOVERMENT doesn't exist. It doesn't care. > > There are always small groups of PEOPLE that USE their position or > authority within or over the Gov. to get what THEY want. > > It's not the Gov. > > It's the people that USE IT. > > And - what would YOU reallllly do with a flyiong saucer that cost you $5 M > up front and costs about $2 M / yr to run? > > Truthfully? What? > > IHMO there is ONLY 1 answer: 2 words. > > Guess? > > Think about it - hard, and then get back to me... > > Cheers (hint)! > > >Rick Monteverde wrote: > >> > >> Patrick - > >> > >> > What ticks me off is the fact that the > >> > government hides those alien stuff > >> > from us. > >> > >> It's in your best interest so stop whining. > >> > >> - Rick Monteverde > >> Honolulu, HI > > > >What are you talking about? The government hides stuff from the public > >not because it's in the public's best interest, but because it's in the > >_government's_ best interests. The government is looking to protect it's > >own power structures by not allowing possible foreign entities to have > >access to technology that could be used to destroy those power > >structures. > >To think that the government actually cares about it's citizens is a > >naive > >view of how the world works. -- ========================================== Sebastian Schepis Account Manager Eagle Ray Software Systems, Inc. "The Total Project Management Solution" http://www.eagleray.com 800-650-7510 x109 sebastian@eagleray.com ========================================== From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 10 19:03:25 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA30440; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 19:03:21 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 19:03:21 -0800 Posted-Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 05:00:04 +0300 (MEST) Message-ID: <36708701.8170F4B@verisoft.com.tr> Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 04:44:17 +0200 From: hamdi ucar X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg Subject: [Off topic] EXTRATERRESTRIAL CIVILIZATIONS: COMING OF AGE IN THE MILKY WAY Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"asmZ42.0.WR7.uj8Ss"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8005 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Yeah, this is a public release from NASA, STSCI http://oposite.stsci.edu/pubinfo/pr/1998/43/ The article does not conclude that ET exist, but this is very rare one which the term "EXTRATERRESTRIAL CIVILIZATIONS" is spelled out by NASA. "Extraterrestrial Civilizations: Coming of Age in the Milky Way If civilizations exist around other stars they are likely to be just emerging across our Galaxy right now: like an apple orchard suddenly maturing and ripening in the autumn sun. So concludes Space Telescope Science Institute theorist Mario Livio, in a paper to be published in the Astrophysical Journal. Livio emphasizes that his theoretical work doesn't necessarily mean extraterrestrial civilizations really do exist, but it shows they cannot be dismissed either." This means it is now officially announced that talking about a really existence of extraterrestrial civilizations could not be ridiculed, or a discrediting issue. Thanks much NASA! Regards, hamdi ucar From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 10 19:34:53 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA09569; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 19:34:45 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 19:34:45 -0800 Message-ID: <36709649.3BDDF066@harti.com> Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 04:49:29 +0100 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: harti@harti.com Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l , Newman-L Mailing List , Evan Soule , Jean Louis Naudin Subject: Good Newman RealVideo movie proves scope artifact ! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"hwGPu1.0.QL2.KB9Ss"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8006 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi, I found a German Website, which had this RealVideo movie: http://main-kinzig.net/privat/kh/newman/3.2/newman.smi It has German subtitles and is a good introduction to the Newman Technology. Note, that at about 7:25 minutes in the movie, there is shown 2 amperemeters, the lower showing the DC input current and the second above shows the RF current. You can see, that the DC input current is always positive, so the "negative scope current spikes" are really NOT bigger inside the DC input current, otherwise the current meter would show negative values. It is just a scope artifact, but of course there are big current spikes, which accelerate the rotor and can produce AquaFuel, as I have tested it. The RF current meter shows a lot of RF current, so this is the real output of the Newman coil. It needs an efficient RF to DC converter to make the RF power available as usable energy. Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 10 21:18:36 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA05864; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 21:18:32 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 21:18:32 -0800 From: trknute@earthlink.net Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981201162348.008da100@earthlink.net> X-Sender: trknute@earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 16:23:48 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Filibuster Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"jOz5o3.0.XR1.eiASs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8007 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Filibuster! Here we go again: Can you see it now? Each time this group gets onto substantive issues, this group is sabotaged by inflammatory rhetoric! Watch for the patterns! God, we are such sheep! TR Knudtson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 10 21:22:16 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA07684; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 21:22:11 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 21:22:11 -0800 From: mbgupta@julian.uwo.ca Message-Id: <199812110521.AAA00649@romeo.its.uwo.ca> X-Sender: mbgupta@julian.uwo.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 00:19:01 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Detector....Re: Whistlers & Bob Beck Cc: KeelyNet@DallasTexas.net In-Reply-To: References: <004401be23cd$c48263e0$0dea39cc@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"J-Q8M.0.ht1.1mASs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8008 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fred and all, You guys are in luck, I just happen to have Bob Beck's paper on the construction of SRD. It was published in 2 Aug. 1978 and is about 30 pages long. Beck also wrote a number of articles in Borderlands mag but I can't find them in their archives, assume it was some time ago. If any of you are interested, I can send a copy if you include a self addressed (8"x11" if you don't want it folded) envelop plus copying and mailing costs (say $5-6) from Canada. Or I will exchange it for some of the Borderland articles related to entrainment by Beck. I have also built a variant of his Brain Tuner can direct you to info on that if interested. Chris Gupta At 01:03 PM 12/10/98 -0500, John Schnurer wrote: > > > Dear Vol., > > I have seen several designs for 'Schmann Resonance Detectors' >..to be abbreviated SRD. The large majority of them use a coil of wire >of many turns.... often with a capacitor in parallel. This then is >connected to a high gain amplifier. In most cases the self resonant >frequncy of the coil, and its own distributed capacitance, or the >coil-cap combination is of a reasonably high or long... if you will .. >time period. If exposed to low level ELF magnetic fields within its >resonant frequency... then there is an output at the frequency of >excitation. If exposed to high level fields .... OR impulse fields ... >OR high level fields with pronounced rise times ....then there is an >output at the excitation frequency OR at the resonant frequency of the coil. > > We put one such long wire coil in the magnetically shielded room >at WPAFB [Wright Patterson US Air Force Base] ... which also houses a >SQUID magnetometer. Note we used the SQUID for some months to monitor SR. > > The coil was connected to cap in parallel and amplified by a >Burr-Brown high impedance op amp. > > > The output of the coil reflected its resonant frequency, and NOT >SR... ecept for the few time the two were the same. The coil would exhibit >SR artifact if exposed to fields of many types, including but not limited to; > > 60 cps above a certain magnitude > 60 cps carrying 'jagged or "unfortunate" harmonics or rise times > impulse > large fields which were time variant > > The term "large" depended on the detector. One type was a 5 to >10 lb spool of 33 to 44 AWG magnet wire ... in these cases 10 to 50 >gauss... or above... were able to creat the artifact. > > Bottom line: > > If you REALLY want to monitor SR then you MUST be sure you have >at least rough calibration .. AND be sure the response if flat to within >a couple of dBel over the expected range.... As an opinion I would >suggest a range of 0.1 cps to 500 cps. This is NOT an easy >transduction or signal processing task. But it can be done. > > JHS > > PS: Educate youself on magnetometry. > >On Wed, 9 Dec 1998, Fred Epps wrote: > >> Hi Caigan, >> >> > I spoke briefly with Dr. Beck this past weekend at the N.Y. >> >Health 'Expo', and asked about the availability of the paper >> >in question. To be brief, it is NOT available from him, or >> >from his sponsors . >> >> Too bad. Any reasons why? Too powerful, perhaps? >> >> If that paper ever >> >does turn up, I'd very much like a copy of it -heck, >> >ESPECIALLY the schematics! >> > >> Maybe Peter can send both of us the schematics in email in some way. >> Any possibility of this Peter? >> >> Fred >> >> > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 10 21:29:07 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA12716; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 21:29:05 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 21:29:05 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 00:38:47 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: Re: The ACC TRANSCAPACITOR Resent-Message-ID: <"Uu5KW1.0.b63.XsASs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8009 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >Evan Soule' posted: (actually James P. Moore wrote): >> >> I also wanted to pass along some interesting pro and con information >> regarding the ACC TRANSCAPACITOR: >> >> "AMERICAN COMPUTER COMPANY unearths previously unknown electronic device it >> claims it obtained by analyzing notes about Alien Artifact examined by Bell >> Labs 50 years ago, notes that were sold ACC by an unnamed source... >> >> New York, NY December 7, 1997 - For Immediate Release >> >> In an earthshaking Press Release, the American Computer Company, Cranford, >> NJ (http://american-computer.com) announced: >> >> a) In July of 1947, the Department of the Army Air Force, secured debris >> from one crashed Aircraft and a complete Aircraft which was landed by >> occupants trying to determine the status of their comrades from the first >> crash site. The Aircraft captured by the Air Force, it is said, are >> allegedly of ExtraTerrestrial Manufacture, bearing engineering wonders >> previously unseen by humans. >> >> b) As a result of an indepth study by ACC of notes and things it purchased >> from an unnamed source who had worked on the project involving IBM and AT&T >> during 1947, who were hired to analyze the wreck and the intact craft by >> the Air Force in August of 1947, -- ACC has elected to announce that it has >> discovered a previously undetected electronic component, one that it feels >> the Air Force, IBM and Bell Labs overlooked. >> >> At least one past analysis of the debris allegedly led to AT&T Bell Labs >> announcement of the Transistor in September of 1947, and yet, ACC has >> indicated that Bell Labs, the Army and Air Force Research Labs, and IBM >> Research "completely missed one of the key components in the debris they >> were given to analyze". > >This is clearly false. > >I do not doubt that our government, and probably others as well, have >reverse >engineered any alien technology they could catch, borrow or steal. > >But the transistor has a clear history behind its development. It did >not spring forth from nowhere as some have claimed. > >Semiconductors were in commercial production prior to the 1947 event. >Point contact germanium diodes were an established technology, and the >direct percursor to the germanium point contact transistor, the first >practical transistor. > snip --- > >> Belgium is the only country to my knowledge that readily admits to the >> existence of probable alien UFO, in their airspace, and allows the public >> access to relevant info. Russia appears to be loosening up on what it knows >> of UFO activity and the result of their long time investigations of the >> subject. They are beginning to release some info on what they have known of >> the US involvement also, but this is a slow process, that will take a long >> time, I am sure. > >Also Spain recently released some official documents on this subject. > >> You can believe these ACC revealed reports or copied alien technology, are >> all a hoax if you like, but I am betting that they are not. I don't believe >> everything that I hear or read, but I've got a hunch that this is for real. >> I suppose that only time will tell. :) > >I'll take that bet Evan. > >I agree with you in general, but this idea that the transistor and IC >chip >came from the Roswell crash simply does not hold water. We can see a >line of commercial products and processes that lead us directly to the >development of these devices. > >First we had selinium rectifiers, then point contact diodes. >Experiments in junction diodes also began as the first point contact >germanium transistor was produced (early point contact devices often had >holes to allow the technican to adjust the contact points on the crystal >surface!!!). Silicon junction diodes germanium and silicon junction >transistors followed soon after. > >Its not like the transistor appears out of a room full of vacuum tubes >fully hatched. That simply did not happen as the people who advanced >the alien origin theory often claim. Bob -- point of clarification: The above words were stated by James P. Moore, not myself. I, myself, have seen no direct and solid evidence linking such innovations to "alien" technology; I'm basically an operational "agnostic" on this issue. Regards, Evan From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 10 21:51:22 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA19416; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 21:51:18 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 21:51:18 -0800 From: mbgupta@julian.uwo.ca Message-Id: <199812110551.AAA03733@romeo.its.uwo.ca> X-Sender: mbgupta@julian.uwo.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 00:49:50 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Hydrogen Sites Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"nCuP_.0.Fl4.LBBSs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8010 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com These maybe of interest: http://www.jmcusa.com/mh1.html http://www.rof.net/yp/utilfree/welcome_page.html FUEL AND WATER VAPORIZER FOR AN ENGINE Inventor:Fred Mehr U.S. Patent S/N: 5,257,598 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 10 22:01:22 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA22772; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 22:01:20 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 22:01:20 -0800 From: trknute@earthlink.net Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981201170637.008d9950@earthlink.net> X-Sender: trknute@earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 17:06:37 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Hydrogen Sites In-Reply-To: <199812110551.AAA03733@romeo.its.uwo.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"mgi-x2.0.jZ5.lKBSs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8011 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thank you so much for these posts. I some times think that many of these young people think my posts are just a the ravings of an old man. Thank you again TR Knudtson At 12:49 AM 12/11/98 -0500, you wrote: >These maybe of interest: > > >http://www.jmcusa.com/mh1.html > > >http://www.rof.net/yp/utilfree/welcome_page.html > >FUEL AND WATER VAPORIZER FOR AN ENGINE >Inventor:Fred Mehr >U.S. Patent S/N: 5,257,598 > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 10 22:27:41 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA31363; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 22:27:36 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 22:27:36 -0800 X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAprbMb/13dt3ovukQ1E5Jl3H1JbgCFH6/AKNButcJWUCmEvr1CgPUYheh From: dennisgarrett@webtv.net (Dennis Garrett) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 22:27:35 -0800 (PST) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: ALIENS!!! Message-ID: <7720-3670BB57-4298@mailtod-171.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "Patrick Tremblay" 's message of Thu, 10 Dec 1998 19:28:51 -0600 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"oPg5p2.0.uf7.OjBSs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8012 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com patrick, you wouldn't have likled the abl tests. they we're a dismal failure. and yes, the government does have the right to withold information from you. they gave it to them selves. they can do that. they are the government. Dennis From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 10 23:40:25 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id XAA15797; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 23:40:20 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 23:40:20 -0800 Message-ID: <19981211073946.6463.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [203.15.68.29] From: "John Parrish" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: See if you can answer this question/extra data MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 23:39:45 PST Resent-Message-ID: <"4H2kJ.0.ks3.ZnCSs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8013 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Butch, You will need to supply both the mass of the trolley/magnet combination and the field strength of the magnet [I assume both are equivalent] at (preferably) then axis as shown. John Parrish ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 10 23:43:54 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id XAA16970; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 23:43:52 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 23:43:52 -0800 From: mindtech@nor.com.au Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981211191522.007414f0@pophost.nor.com.au> X-Sender: mindtech@pophost.nor.com.au (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 19:15:22 +1100 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Whistlers & Bob Beck In-Reply-To: <004401be23cd$c48263e0$0dea39cc@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"7-yUS3.0.z84.tqCSs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8014 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >> I spoke briefly with Dr. Beck this past weekend at the N.Y. >>Health 'Expo', and asked about the availability of the paper >>in question. To be brief, it is NOT available from him, or >>from his sponsors . > >Too bad. Any reasons why? Too powerful, perhaps? > Maybe he has proprietary interests in the concept we have been discussing, or he's just tired of downloading. As I previously mentioned, the only special thing about _that_ Schumann amp was that Beck made it fly without today's low noise IC's. In the paper, he briefy describes using the acquired real time signal, of NATURAL origin, as a consciousness-expanding entrainment source. My interest is in using it to counteract the adverse bio-effects of artificial EMR from 60Hz and broadcast technologies. > If that paper ever >>does turn up, I'd very much like a copy of it -heck, >>ESPECIALLY the schematics! >> >Maybe Peter can send both of us the schematics in email in some way. >Any possibility of this Peter? > >Fred > I just noticed Chris Gupta's generous offer, which I hope suffices. I also have a recent micropulsation amp circuit from our Antarctic base, as well as PCB's for an EEG monitor which could be slightly modified. Both use OP series amps. These, together with coil specs, a CRO, and some sound advice from those on the list, such as John S., who have apparently been there, should be enough to get started. If enough people are interested in the doing, we can setup a little webpage and dump all the relevant info there. Peter Nielsen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Dec 11 06:58:01 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA24907; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 06:57:45 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 06:57:45 -0800 X-Sender: richarda@mailhub.icx.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199812110521.AAA00649@romeo.its.uwo.ca> References: <004401be23cd$c48263e0$0dea39cc@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 09:57:59 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Richard Austin Subject: Re: Detector....Re: Whistlers & Bob Beck Resent-Message-ID: <"vGQWk.0.456.fBJSs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8015 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Is this scanable? Could it be emailed or put on a web site? >Fred and all, > >You guys are in luck, I just happen to have Bob Beck's paper on the >construction of SRD. It was published in 2 Aug. 1978 and is about 30 pages >long. Beck also wrote a number of articles in Borderlands mag but I can't >find them in their archives, assume it was some time ago. If any of you are >interested, I can send a copy if you include a self addressed (8"x11" if >you don't want it folded) envelop plus copying and mailing costs (say $5-6) >from Canada. Or I will exchange it for some of the Borderland articles >related to entrainment by Beck. I have also built a variant of his Brain >Tuner can direct you to info on that if interested. > >Chris Gupta > >At 01:03 PM 12/10/98 -0500, John Schnurer wrote: >> >> >> Dear Vol., >> >> I have seen several designs for 'Schmann Resonance Detectors' >>..to be abbreviated SRD. The large majority of them use a coil of wire >>of many turns.... often with a capacitor in parallel. This then is >>connected to a high gain amplifier. In most cases the self resonant >>frequncy of the coil, and its own distributed capacitance, or the >>coil-cap combination is of a reasonably high or long... if you will .. >>time period. If exposed to low level ELF magnetic fields within its >>resonant frequency... then there is an output at the frequency of >>excitation. If exposed to high level fields .... OR impulse fields ... >>OR high level fields with pronounced rise times ....then there is an >>output at the excitation frequency OR at the resonant frequency of the coil. >> >> We put one such long wire coil in the magnetically shielded room >>at WPAFB [Wright Patterson US Air Force Base] ... which also houses a >>SQUID magnetometer. Note we used the SQUID for some months to monitor SR. >> >> The coil was connected to cap in parallel and amplified by a >>Burr-Brown high impedance op amp. >> >> >> The output of the coil reflected its resonant frequency, and NOT >>SR... ecept for the few time the two were the same. The coil would exhibit >>SR artifact if exposed to fields of many types, including but not limited to; >> >> 60 cps above a certain magnitude >> 60 cps carrying 'jagged or "unfortunate" harmonics or rise times >> impulse >> large fields which were time variant >> >> The term "large" depended on the detector. One type was a 5 to >>10 lb spool of 33 to 44 AWG magnet wire ... in these cases 10 to 50 >>gauss... or above... were able to creat the artifact. >> >> Bottom line: >> >> If you REALLY want to monitor SR then you MUST be sure you have >>at least rough calibration .. AND be sure the response if flat to within >>a couple of dBel over the expected range.... As an opinion I would >>suggest a range of 0.1 cps to 500 cps. This is NOT an easy >>transduction or signal processing task. But it can be done. >> >> JHS >> >> PS: Educate youself on magnetometry. >> >>On Wed, 9 Dec 1998, Fred Epps wrote: >> >>> Hi Caigan, >>> >>> > I spoke briefly with Dr. Beck this past weekend at the N.Y. >>> >Health 'Expo', and asked about the availability of the paper >>> >in question. To be brief, it is NOT available from him, or >>> >from his sponsors . >>> >>> Too bad. Any reasons why? Too powerful, perhaps? >>> >>> If that paper ever >>> >does turn up, I'd very much like a copy of it -heck, >>> >ESPECIALLY the schematics! >>> > >>> Maybe Peter can send both of us the schematics in email in some way. >>> Any possibility of this Peter? >>> >>> Fred >>> >>> >> Richard Austin -- email: richarda@icx.net -- radio: KG7SU Institute for Planetary Renewal http://user.icx.net/~richarda (newly updated web site) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Dec 11 11:21:29 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA15538; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:21:15 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:21:15 -0800 Delivered-To: fixup-freenrg-l@eskimo.com@fixme Message-ID: <000d01be253b$5167ae00$c4a8e1cf@s.boster> From: "S. Boster" To: Subject: Re: UNSUBSCRIBE Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 12:20:30 -0700 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"s7pfw2.0.ho3.g2NSs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8016 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Dec 11 11:32:38 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA20122; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:32:33 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:32:33 -0800 From: MATTIARO@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 14:28:42 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: UNSUBSCRIBE Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 236 Resent-Message-ID: <"L7Jt73.0.Jw4.FDNSs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8017 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Does this mean that I am "kicked out" from the mailing list? I did not originate the unsubscribe message. I want to stay in the list as every now and then I have some input. Matti mattiaro@aol.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Dec 11 12:10:11 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA01753; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 12:10:07 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 12:10:07 -0800 From: HLafonte@aol.com Message-ID: <5c8dfa6b.36717aaf@aol.com> Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 15:03:59 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Magnet question answers Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 49 Resent-Message-ID: <"rL57n1.0.DR.UmNSs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8018 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi all, I have received two replys so far to the magnet on a cart question. They are as follows: 1.Only about 0.5 FT at maximum ! 2.According to conventional theory, the centerline would travel exactly two feet past the stationary magnet before reversing direction. This is a very basic behavior, and testing without any friction is hard to do, but knowing the results as math would have it, is what I am after. I will conduct tests anyway in hopes that I can find a pattern of behavior. Thanks, Butch From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Dec 11 12:21:22 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA06638; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 12:21:20 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 12:21:20 -0800 Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 15:13:17 -0500 (EST) From: John Schnurer To: free E Subject: Credit Card (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"qY0_o1.0.dd1._wNSs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8019 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 15:11:30 -0500 (EST) From: John Schnurer To: John Schnurer Subject: Credit Card Dear Folks, I have a client customer who wishes to pay by Master Card. I do not have a Merchant Account. Is there or are there entities who act as intermediaries for such transactions? Thanks, John Schnurer From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Dec 11 12:28:00 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA09864; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 12:27:58 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 12:27:58 -0800 Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 15:19:08 -0500 (EST) From: John Schnurer To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Missed it...Re: Magnet question answers In-Reply-To: <5c8dfa6b.36717aaf@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"S5EG5.0.1Q2.D1OSs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8020 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Dear B., I missed the question... can you run it by again? JHS On Fri, 11 Dec 1998 HLafonte@aol.com wrote: > Hi all, I have received two replys so far to the magnet on a cart question. > They are as follows: > > 1.Only about 0.5 FT at maximum ! > > 2.According to conventional theory, the centerline would travel exactly two > feet > past the stationary magnet before reversing direction. > > This is a very basic behavior, and testing without any friction is hard to do, > but knowing the results as math would have it, is what I am after. I will > conduct tests anyway in hopes that I can find a pattern of behavior. > Thanks, > Butch > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Dec 11 12:31:27 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA10845; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 12:31:24 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 12:31:24 -0800 X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUApUVURy65dmHKMcAWnYrBFN6QgXoCFQCjsdlQ9PQuBHs5BeE62A8ElIzzJA== From: dennisgarrett@webtv.net (Dennis Garrett) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 12:30:43 -0800 (PST) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: UNSUBSCRIBE Message-ID: <13460-367180F3-1906@mailtod-172.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: MATTIARO@aol.com's message of Fri, 11 Dec 1998 14:28:42 EST Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"Ptx0K2.0.Lf2.R4OSs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8021 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com just re-subscribe. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Dec 11 13:27:36 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA31104; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 13:27:23 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 13:27:23 -0800 From: MATTIARO@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 16:10:21 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: SUBSCRIBE Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 236 Resent-Message-ID: <"efZY81.0.rb7.xuOSs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8022 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subscribe From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Dec 11 15:01:15 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA29961; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 15:01:10 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 15:01:10 -0800 From: Keasy@aol.com Message-ID: <40aca082.3671a060@aol.com> Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 17:44:48 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Magnet question answers Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 236 Resent-Message-ID: <"MkbcJ2.0.2K7.sGQSs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8023 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com In a message dated 12/11/98 12:12:52 PM Pacific Standard Time, HLafonte@aol.com writes: << Hi all, I have received two replys so far to the magnet on a cart question. They are as follows: 1.Only about 0.5 FT at maximum ! 2.According to conventional theory, the centerline would travel exactly two feet past the stationary magnet before reversing direction. >> For my $.02 I would agree with answer 2, providing you neglect eddy currents. With eddy currents it would be slightly less than 2 ft. Ken Keasy@aol.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Dec 11 15:05:11 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA21558; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 15:04:35 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 15:04:35 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3671A4CE.8FBF7BB5@bway.net> Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 18:03:42 -0500 From: Caigan X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Detector....Re: Whistlers & Bob Beck References: <004401be23cd$c48263e0$0dea39cc@default> <199812110521.AAA00649@romeo.its.uwo.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"aI2LG.0.gG5._JQSs"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8024 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com mbgupta@julian.uwo.ca wrote: > > Fred and all, > > You guys are in luck, I just happen to have Bob Beck's paper on the > construction of SRD. It was published in 2 Aug. 1978 and is about 30 pages > long. Beck also wrote a number of articles in Borderlands mag but I can't > find them in their archives, assume it was some time ago. If any of you are > interested, I can send a copy if you include a self addressed (8"x11" if > you don't want it folded) envelop plus copying and mailing costs (say $5-6) > from Canada. Or I will exchange it for some of the Borderland articles > related to entrainment by Beck. I have also built a variant of his Brain > Tuner can direct you to info on that if interested. > > Chris Gupta Hello, Chris! Yep, I'm interested. Just tell me your address & I'll post you the dough. Do you prefer M.O. or American dollars? I figure that catching the Schumann resonance is going to be as tough as hunting for Whistlers, i.e. NOT for city-folk. Have you looked at McGreevy's Site & checked out his gear & protocol? I also found some handy info at the ElfRad Site re: the type of antenna & receiver to do the job right. I'm mostly curious about what kind of input coil he used for the CNS of his subjects, how many nano-teslas involved, and where he put that coil on their heads. Seems like it would tie in with the work of Michael Persinger, particularly if it was placed near the temporal lobe. But the notion of entraining the subject IN PHASE with the Schumann Resonance by way of a mediating Gizmo is certainly original. Many Thanks, --Khem Caigan From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Dec 11 17:47:47 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA10535; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 17:47:27 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 17:47:27 -0800 From: HLafonte@aol.com Message-ID: <8238bdb2.3671c914@aol.com> Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 20:38:28 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Interesting update: magnet question answers Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 49 Resent-Message-ID: <"fuGM81.0.Wa2.kiSSs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8025 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi all, I have received 4 replys so far to the magnet on a cart question. This has me thinking, how many of us don't understand the very most basic properties of magnets? They are as follows: 1.Only about 0.5 FT at maximum ! 2.According to conventional theory, the centerline would travel exactly two feet past the stationary magnet before reversing direction. 3.I visited Butch's site today. The question he asked about the magnet on a wagon would be simple to set up and test. Without doing it but basing it on my experiments with magnets I do not think it will move past the edge of the base magnet before it is stopped. I have found it takes as much energy to get into a magnetic field as it does to get out of one. 4.For my $.02 I would agree with answer 2, providing you neglect eddy currents. With eddy currents it would be slightly less than 2 ft. This is a very basic behavior, and testing without any friction is hard to do, but knowing the results as math would have it, is what I am after. I will conduct tests anyway in hopes that I can find a pattern of behavior. Thanks, Butch From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Dec 11 19:27:42 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA02970; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 19:27:26 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 19:27:26 -0800 Message-ID: <3671E5D8.C9CA1B1@harti.com> Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 04:41:12 +0100 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: harti@harti.com Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Newman-L Mailing List , freenrg-l , toups@toupstech.com, Institute for Basic Research Subject: New experiments done....AquaFuel efficiency very much increased and water arc effect. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"QyPSz2.0.Jk.TAUSs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8026 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi All, today I did a few new experiments with my Newman machine coil and here are the results: 1. I found out how to effectively produce more AquaFuel. The trick is to place a 10 uF / 630 Volts capacitor parallel to the Newman coil. See old circuit diagramm at : http://www.overunity.com/afuel Then we get a sawtooth waveform when running the 2 spark gaps in series, one in air, one in water. The effect is based on the very big spikes, which recharge the 10 uF cap, thus the sawtooth waveform appears. One will get real explosions under water this way ! It is amazing how loud these explosion sounds are ! At this time it just consumes about 10 Watts. Compared to Jean Louis AqualFuel Production with about 450 watts of input, this process it at least 45 times more efficient ! One could probably still increase the efficiency, if one just would pulse a 1 msec 600 Volts pulse across the carbon electrodes with a pulse width modulation Power supply. This way one would not need a Newman coil. The most important thing in this AquaFuel production seems to be high current density, which you will get this way. 2. I have tested a pure DC circuit, where I had my 600 Volts DC Newman supply connected to a spark gap in series with 2 incandescent bulbs ( as a current limiter shunt). The spark gap was setup the following way: The Anode was placed into the water of a plastic container water bath and the Cathode (carbon electrode) was tipped onto the water surface and then pulled away from the surface out into the air. With some experience after a while, I could get a constant arc running from the water surface up to the carbon electrode about 1 mm above the water surface. The amazing thing is: when this arc builds up, the current is no longer a DC current, but it is a about 10 Mhz sine wave with a positive DC component. So if you stick the electrode into the water, we had about 100 mA of DC current at 600 Volts DC supply, but when I pulled it out and the arc appeared, I had about a 10 Mhz sine wave going peek to peek from 10 mA to 90 mA. Sometimes I even had a more complex RF waveform , which still had higher peek to peek ratios, so as -20 mA to + 150 mA. I could produce a very bright lightning arc this way and it could be, that hydrogen and oxygen had reactioned with the pencil graphite rod , cause it almost looked like a white ball lightning, very bright ! And also it is very stable. The scope syncs very good onto the about 10 Mhz wave and the flame "burns" very stable and very bright. Amazing is, that the used pencil graphite rod did not burn down faster at this high temperature. It seemed, as if the Cathode electrode just emitted the electrons for the plasma and it fused in the arc with the hydrogen and oxygen atoms somehow... The about 30 mA average current that my ampmeter displayed when pulling it out some further , would indicate that the whole circuit was using 600 Volts x 30 mA = about 18 Watts. But it seems, the light output and the heat of this arc and the still buning "shunt" bulbs together did produce really more than 18 Watts of power... At least the water was heating up also very quickly . Maybe this is due to "burning" hydrogen and oxygen ? It was a very intersting experiment and one could really play with the arc and pulling the electrode more out of the water gave a real "conic" plasma tube going down to the water surface. When the graphite electrode stays hot, the effect is best. Then it seems to emmit enough electrons, so the plasma is kept going. If I exchanged the electrodes and tried to pull out the Anode (electode going to the plus pole of the power supply) I was not able to get an arc at all ! That is very curious... So it seems to depend on the cathode electrode emmiting electrons or something like this...so the plasma can build up and oscillate and fuse the gases. It is really amazing when you see, that water can "burn" this way ! :) This much for today. Best regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Dec 11 19:45:35 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA12504; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 19:44:39 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 19:44:39 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: bailey@shell14.ba.best.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 19:45:36 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com (Freengr List) From: pgb@padrak.com (Patrick Bailey) Subject: What Would You Do With A Flying Saucer??? Cc: sebastian@eagleray.com Resent-Message-ID: <"AqC0b2.0.C33.TQUSs"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8027 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com No No No!!! There is only one answer (that I have learned): Guess: (scroll down when you have completed your list...) RUN DRUGS! think about it... seriously ... Earth built, Earth flown, da da da... Jingle all the way... >ahhh. I stand corrected and agree with your statements. It is the people >within the power structures that seek to protect themselves and their >positions. My first response was not stated accurately enough. Ah, >scientists. > >As far as what I would do with a $5m flying saucer? A whole heck of a >lot. >$2m a year to run is a drop in the bucket, if I can go to the moon or to >mars with it in a very short time. There are plenty of fat cats who >would >pay me lots of money for a ride to the moon. And I would take full >advantage of that fact, to make more money to advance my own research, >and >that of my peers. > >So if you have one for sale, and it works, let me know and I'll gladly >purchase it from you. Until then, I'll be busy in my basement making my >own. > >;-) > >Sebastian > >Patrick Bailey wrote: >> >> Almost. Not quite... >> >> THE GOVERMENT doesn't exist. It doesn't care. >> >> There are always small groups of PEOPLE that USE their position or >> authority within or over the Gov. to get what THEY want. >> >> It's not the Gov. >> >> It's the people that USE IT. >> >> And - what would YOU reallllly do with a flyiong saucer that cost you $5 M >> up front and costs about $2 M / yr to run? >> >> Truthfully? What? >> >> IHMO there is ONLY 1 answer: 2 words. >> >> Guess? >> >> Think about it - hard, and then get back to me... >> >> Cheers (hint)! >> >> >Rick Monteverde wrote: >> >> >> >> Patrick - >> >> >> >> > What ticks me off is the fact that the >> >> > government hides those alien stuff >> >> > from us. >> >> >> >> It's in your best interest so stop whining. >> >> >> >> - Rick Monteverde >> >> Honolulu, HI >> > >> >What are you talking about? The government hides stuff from the public >> >not because it's in the public's best interest, but because it's in the >> >_government's_ best interests. The government is looking to protect it's >> >own power structures by not allowing possible foreign entities to have >> >access to technology that could be used to destroy those power >> >structures. >> >To think that the government actually cares about it's citizens is a >> >naive >> >view of how the world works. > >-- >========================================== >Sebastian Schepis >Account Manager >Eagle Ray Software Systems, Inc. >"The Total Project Management Solution" >http://www.eagleray.com >800-650-7510 x109 >sebastian@eagleray.com >========================================== From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Dec 11 19:57:06 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA15958; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 19:57:04 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 19:57:04 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 22:25:13 -0500 Subject: Has anyone tried something like this? Message-ID: <19981211.222514.57.0.dave.tingley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 2.0.11 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,15-16,22-23,25-32,34-35 X-Juno-Att: 0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: dave.tingley@juno.com (David l Tingley) Resent-Message-ID: <"4nQUs3.0.6v3.FcUSs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8028 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com I have been developing an idea over the last week or so which I have termed the "Magnetic Orffyreus Wheel". It seems simple and straight forward enough that it is likely that someone has tried something like it before, so instead of reinventing the wheel (oops, that looks like a very bad pun) I will ask for input from anyone who has tried something similar. If it is a new idea then lets try it out. It consists of a vertically oriented spoked wheel with circular magnets mounted on the spokes so that they can slide in and out. All the magnets would have South poles pointing out. Wrapping around one half of the wheel would be a magnet with North in and the other half would have a similar magnet with South in. The shaft would be a magnet with North toward the side with the outside magnet's North in side. This would cause all the sliding magnets on the spokes to be pushed in toward the hub on one side and out toward the rim on the other causing an imbalance which should spin the wheel. I have placed a crude hand drawn picture of two different possible configurations at this location http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/3992/mow.gif One config is just as I have described and the other with just the magnetic shaft and a magnetic ladder on one side to push the rings in while centrifugal force pushes them out on the other. I would welcome any comments as to feasiblilty, or help in building the device if it appears that it might work. Dave =================================================== dave.tingley@juno.com http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/3992/dt.html The heart of the wise inclines to the right, the heart of the fool inclines to the left. Ecclesiastes 10:2 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Dec 11 19:59:00 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA17790; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 19:58:57 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 19:58:57 -0800 X-Sender: "Dave Edwards" X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: "demg" Subject: Re: Credit Card (fwd) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 23:09:51 -0500 Message-Id: <19981211230951.5e90973f913e11d2bc5d00c00cb09a34.in@syncon.net> Resent-Message-ID: <"guV3h.0.sL4.0eUSs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8029 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hello, Check out www.sc-financial.com I got a merchant account from them, and they are the only ones who rent, in the whole USA. Thanks.. Dave E At 03:13 PM 12/11/98 -0500, you wrote: > > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 15:11:30 -0500 (EST) >From: John Schnurer >To: John Schnurer >Subject: Credit Card > > > Dear Folks, > > I have a client customer who wishes to pay by Master Card. I do >not have a Merchant Account. Is there or are there entities who act as >intermediaries for such transactions? > > Thanks, > > John Schnurer > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Dec 11 20:17:35 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA28706; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 20:17:29 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 20:17:29 -0800 Posted-Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 06:14:11 +0300 (MEST) Message-ID: <3671EE50.E83DBA71@verisoft.com.tr> Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 06:17:20 +0200 From: hamdi ucar X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg Subject: Re: New experiments done....AquaFuel efficiency very much increased and water arc effect. References: <3671E5D8.C9CA1B1@harti.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"E6sWd3.0.R07.PvUSs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8030 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fantastic! Stefan Hartmann wrote: > [snip] > The amazing thing is: when this arc builds up, > the current is no longer a DC current, but it > is a about 10 Mhz sine wave with a positive DC > component. One should research the literature on plasma about the electrical properties of discharge. If relative or absolute (!) negative resistance exist on discharging carbon electrodes (as Dr. D. Chung found it on carbon composites at University of Buffalo) osci llations could occurs and the frequency may depend on LC characteristic of the circuit, a loop formed by couples of meters of wire could oscillate in this freq. range. This dependency could be tested by inserting and other 1u or 0.1u cap near to electrodes. Also carrying the energy by coax wire instead of discrete wires could influence the regime. Despite the modifications, if the const freq. 10 Mhz remain, will be mor e interesting of course, it is defined by the nature of the arc discharge. Results shows that you need strongly calorimetric measurements. Take care, hamdi ucar From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Dec 11 20:26:44 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA02412; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 20:26:41 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 20:26:41 -0800 From: mbgupta@julian.uwo.ca Message-Id: <199812120426.XAA05208@juliet.its.uwo.ca> X-Sender: mbgupta@julian.uwo.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 23:11:42 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Detector....Re: Whistlers & Bob Beck In-Reply-To: References: <199812110521.AAA00649@romeo.its.uwo.ca> <004401be23cd$c48263e0$0dea39cc@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"-zw6I1.0.Jb.02VSs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8031 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Anything is scannable, but I am not about to scan 30 pages pronto if ever... it might be better to do an OCR as it's got restricted written all over.... Chris At 09:57 AM 12/11/98 -0500, you wrote: >Is this scanable? Could it be emailed or put on a web site? > >>Fred and all, >> >>You guys are in luck, I just happen to have Bob Beck's paper on the >>construction of SRD. It was published in 2 Aug. 1978 and is about 30 pages >>long. Beck also wrote a number of articles in Borderlands mag but I can't >>find them in their archives, assume it was some time ago. If any of you are >>interested, I can send a copy if you include a self addressed (8"x11" if >>you don't want it folded) envelop plus copying and mailing costs (say $5-6) >>from Canada. Or I will exchange it for some of the Borderland articles >>related to entrainment by Beck. I have also built a variant of his Brain >>Tuner can direct you to info on that if interested. >> >>Chris Gupta >> >>At 01:03 PM 12/10/98 -0500, John Schnurer wrote: >>> >>> >>> Dear Vol., >>> >>> I have seen several designs for 'Schmann Resonance Detectors' >>>..to be abbreviated SRD. The large majority of them use a coil of wire >>>of many turns.... often with a capacitor in parallel. This then is >>>connected to a high gain amplifier. In most cases the self resonant >>>frequncy of the coil, and its own distributed capacitance, or the >>>coil-cap combination is of a reasonably high or long... if you will .. >>>time period. If exposed to low level ELF magnetic fields within its >>>resonant frequency... then there is an output at the frequency of >>>excitation. If exposed to high level fields .... OR impulse fields ... >>>OR high level fields with pronounced rise times ....then there is an >>>output at the excitation frequency OR at the resonant frequency of the coil. >>> >>> We put one such long wire coil in the magnetically shielded room >>>at WPAFB [Wright Patterson US Air Force Base] ... which also houses a >>>SQUID magnetometer. Note we used the SQUID for some months to monitor SR. >>> >>> The coil was connected to cap in parallel and amplified by a >>>Burr-Brown high impedance op amp. >>> >>> >>> The output of the coil reflected its resonant frequency, and NOT >>>SR... ecept for the few time the two were the same. The coil would exhibit >>>SR artifact if exposed to fields of many types, including but not limited to; >>> >>> 60 cps above a certain magnitude >>> 60 cps carrying 'jagged or "unfortunate" harmonics or rise times >>> impulse >>> large fields which were time variant >>> >>> The term "large" depended on the detector. One type was a 5 to >>>10 lb spool of 33 to 44 AWG magnet wire ... in these cases 10 to 50 >>>gauss... or above... were able to creat the artifact. >>> >>> Bottom line: >>> >>> If you REALLY want to monitor SR then you MUST be sure you have >>>at least rough calibration .. AND be sure the response if flat to within >>>a couple of dBel over the expected range.... As an opinion I would >>>suggest a range of 0.1 cps to 500 cps. This is NOT an easy >>>transduction or signal processing task. But it can be done. >>> >>> JHS >>> >>> PS: Educate youself on magnetometry. >>> >>>On Wed, 9 Dec 1998, Fred Epps wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Caigan, >>>> >>>> > I spoke briefly with Dr. Beck this past weekend at the N.Y. >>>> >Health 'Expo', and asked about the availability of the paper >>>> >in question. To be brief, it is NOT available from him, or >>>> >from his sponsors . >>>> >>>> Too bad. Any reasons why? Too powerful, perhaps? >>>> >>>> If that paper ever >>>> >does turn up, I'd very much like a copy of it -heck, >>>> >ESPECIALLY the schematics! >>>> > >>>> Maybe Peter can send both of us the schematics in email in some way. >>>> Any possibility of this Peter? >>>> >>>> Fred >>>> >>>> >>> > > >Richard Austin -- email: richarda@icx.net -- radio: KG7SU >Institute for Planetary Renewal http://user.icx.net/~richarda >(newly updated web site) > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Dec 11 20:54:21 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA14268; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 20:54:15 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 20:54:15 -0800 Message-ID: <3671F852.7CF6@txdirect.net> Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 23:00:02 -0600 From: lgarrett X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-IDI (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: off topic References: <3.0.32.19981129181419.00c1e100@cnct.com> <3.0.1.32.19981202002203.00728940@pophost.nor.com.au> <36642CCF.3C77@tiac.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"WF_dw3.0.lU3.rRVSs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8032 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com this was in the new issue of organic gardening i thought it might be of interest rod Stop "Terminator" Technology THE ACT OF SAVING SEED is fundamen- tal to agriculture and to global food Se- curlty. But the farmers' right to save seed and to breed crops is under assault by a dangerous, new genetic technology. On March 3,1998, a Mississippi- based seed company, Delta and Pine Land, and the U.S. Departtnent ofAgri- culture ~SDA) announced that they had received a patent on a new genetic technology that renders farm-saved seed sterile. In other words, scientists have developed plants genetically engi- neered to kill their own seeds. This seed-sterilizing technology-developed with U.S. taxpayer dollars-will prevent farmers from saving seed from their har- vest, forcing farmers to return to the commercial seed market every year. This technology is lethal, and that's why the Rural Advancement Foundation In- ternational (RAFT-USA) has dubbed it the "Terminator" technology. The "Ternunator technology is a dead end for farmers and is a threat to food security worldwide. It's morally unacceptable, and it must be banned. The company says it will target the use of "Terminator" seeds in developing world markets, where more than 1.4 bil- lion people-primarily poor farmers- depend on farm-saved seed as their pri- mary seed source. The USDA and Delta and Pine Land say that their seed-steril- izing technology will be commercialized sometime after the Year 2000. The "Ternunator technology is a threat to biodiversity. Scientists warn that, under certain conditions, the trait for seed sterility will flow via pollen from "terminator" crops to surrounding plants, making the seeds of neighboring plants sterile. what can you do? RAFT-USA sug- gests you write to your representatives m Congress and to the US DA to protest the fact that taxpayer dollars were used to support research on a product that will bring no agronomic benefit to farm- ers and no benefit to consumers. The "Terminator" technology is designed to mcrease seed-industry profits by forcing flirmers to return to the commercial seed market every year. Ask that the USDA cease negotia- tions with Monsanto/American Home Products (now in the process of acquir- mg Delta and Pine Land Seed Co.) on the licensing of U.S. Patent No. 5,723,765, "Control of Plant Gene Ex- pression." C[his patent is jointly owned by the USDA). Congressional oversight hearings should be held on this issue and on the impact of seed-industry con- solidation. The "Terminator" technol- ogy has not yet been commercialized, so it's a critical time to act! Address for Secretary ofAgriculture Glickinan: Secretary Dan Glickman, USDA, 200-A Whitten Bldg., 1400 In- dependence Ave., SW, Washington, DC 20250; e-mail: agsec@usae.gov. Hopej. Shand, Research Director Rural Advancement Foundation International-USA c/o Center for Public Service Gettysburg College Box 2456 Gettysburg, PA 17325 F or more information on the "Termi- nator" technology, contact: Help Stop the "Terminator," www.rafi. org/usda. html. HOPE J. SHAND Gettysburg, Pennsylvania From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Dec 11 20:56:34 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA22450; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 20:56:17 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 20:56:17 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981212050256.01144ab4@popd.ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: atech@popd.ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 00:02:56 -0500 To: sebastian@eagleray.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: "Dennis C. Lee" Subject: Re: ALIENS!!! Resent-Message-ID: <"qIuV1.0.fU5.jTVSs"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8033 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi; At 09:37 PM 12/10/98 -0500, Sebastian Schepis wrote: >ahhh. I stand corrected and agree with your statements. It is the people >within the power structures that seek to protect themselves and their >positions. My first response was not stated accurately enough. Ah, >scientists. > >As far as what I would do with a $5m flying saucer? A whole heck of a >lot. >$2m a year to run is a drop in the bucket, if I can go to the moon or to >mars with it in a very short time. There are plenty of fat cats who >would >pay me lots of money for a ride to the moon. (snip) Why would it cost $2M a year to run? What to do with one? 1. You could stop tidal waves from reaching shoreline (says a most honored professor). 2. Let it run and you could generate electricity and at the same time cool the planet. There would be no CO2 either. 3. We could analyze centrifugal momentum of the planet's land and ice masses. The Antarctic icecap is going through drastic mass fluctations. The eccentric nature of this ice mass means that the stresses on the Earth's crust is under questionable variations. An antigravity device could be used to move large masses and keep things in more balance. Less earthquakes and volcano activity may result. 4. They may be used to 'pin' the crust down with magnetopheresis principals in case of periods of low or reversed conditions of the Earth's magnetic field possibly preventing a crust slippage. (My idea, needs alot more study) 5. If all else fails, we could save many people by flying upward while natural catastrophy occurs on the surface. Without saving everyone, there won't be restaurants, buttered popcorn, movies, or anything like that in the aftermath. We could probably think of more GOOD things if we actually had one. (like impress the heck out of a date... I mean V) ;) (The next highschool reunion would definitely be on the list) ;) Regards; Dennis Tall Ships http://pw1.netcom.com/~atech/tallship.html Concentric Tori http://pw1.netcom.com/~atech/GoldCTori_A.JPG From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Dec 11 21:43:40 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA00096; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 21:43:36 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 21:43:36 -0800 Message-ID: <003601be2592$29cb6100$69a9f0cf@default> From: "mrand@access" To: "freenrg-l" Subject: Re: New experiments done....AquaFuel efficiency very much increased and water arc effect. Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 21:42:02 -0800 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"wRmDs.0.I1.8AWSs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8034 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Stefan, Would a larger uF capacitor create a larger spark or current output? >The trick is to place a 10 uF / 630 Volts capacitor >parallel to the Newman coil. Good work, and thanks for sharing your research with us! Regards, Michael Randall From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Dec 11 22:20:51 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA10753; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 22:20:38 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 22:20:38 -0800 From: mbgupta@julian.uwo.ca Message-Id: <199812120620.BAA25867@juliet.its.uwo.ca> X-Sender: mbgupta@julian.uwo.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 00:16:29 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Fwd: Correction: Vassilatos's Book Correct ISBN No.; Is HAARP a power broadcaster? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"qRO3t3.0.wd2.siWSs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8035 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >Reply-To: "Gary Vesperman" >To: >From: "Gary Vesperman" >Subject: Correction: Vassilatos's Book Correct ISBN No.; Is HAARP a power broadcaster? >Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 22:43:04 -0800 >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 >X-Info: Keelynet Discussion List > >Pat Bailey adds to Dave Jagnow's ISBN correction. > >One of my local e-mail correspondents and I attended an IEEE section >Christmas party tonight. We talked about Tesla deciding that alternating >current-based power transmission through power lines was obsolete and >shifting over to power broadcasting research. > >He then told me that ARCO had been finding huge new oil and gas fields in >Alaska but has been unable to obtain permits for building pipelines through >federal wilderness areas. So therefore, the reason that ARCO has been >researching and building HAARP is so that ARCO could learn how to broadcast >power from its undeveloped fields to outside markets. > >I am going to have to again scan my book "Angels Don't Play this HAARP" >which was autographed by Jeane Manning. I don't remember anything about >power broadcasting. > >My sympathy to Pat Flanagan for losing Gael. She must have been a >wonderfully caring woman. > >Gary Vesperman >vman@skylink.net > > >Correction: > >Gary, > >Just a brief note to let you know I enjoyed Patrick Bailey's review >of "Secrets of Cold War Technology: Project HAARP and Beyond." I went >to order a couple copies of it and found it under a different ISBN >number. The correct number is: ISBN 0-945685-20-3. I'm not sure what >the correct Library of Congress Catalog Number is, but the number >listed by Patrick didn't pull it up either. > >Cheers! >Dave Jagnow > >---------- > >Dave is absolutely correct! > >I copied the ISBN from page 2, and Dave's ISBN is what is on the back cover. > >Hummm... I hope that doesn't dampen the accuracy of whatelse is in side >the book! > >Thanks Dave! > >I had: > >---------- > >BORDERLAND SCIENCES RESEARCH FOUNDATION >P.O. Box 220 >Bayside, CA 95524 USA >ISBN 0-945685-17-3 <<<--- Wrong: Should be 20-3, not 17-3. Bummer. >Library of Congress Catalog Number: 96-78764 > >Cover List Price: $15.95 > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > To leave this list, email > with the body text: leave Keelynet > list archives and on line subscription forms are at > http://dallastexas.net/keelynet/ > ------------------------------------------------------------- > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Dec 11 22:26:22 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA26915; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 22:26:13 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 22:26:13 -0800 (PST) From: mbgupta@julian.uwo.ca Message-Id: <199812120620.BAA25857@juliet.its.uwo.ca> X-Sender: mbgupta@julian.uwo.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 01:18:45 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Hydrogen Sites In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19981201170637.008d9950@earthlink.net> References: <199812110551.AAA03733@romeo.its.uwo.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"qRWfF1.0.Sa6.3oWSs"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8036 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 05:06 PM 12/1/98 -0800, you wrote: >Thank you so much for these posts. > >I some times think that many of these young people think my posts are just >a the ravings of an old man. I certainly don't. I have learned temerariously on the subject form your posts. But I do wish you should write a comprehensive book on this subject. Information in your posts really needs to be captured in a book. Failing that can you tell me about a good one if it already exists? I also find it disconcerting in the lack of interest on hydrogen on these lists. Pity, Chris Gupta > >Thank you again > >TR Knudtson > > >At 12:49 AM 12/11/98 -0500, you wrote: >>These maybe of interest: >> >> >>http://www.jmcusa.com/mh1.html >> >> >>http://www.rof.net/yp/utilfree/welcome_page.html >> >>FUEL AND WATER VAPORIZER FOR AN ENGINE >>Inventor:Fred Mehr >>U.S. Patent S/N: 5,257,598 >> >> >> > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Dec 11 23:14:25 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id XAA25465; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 23:14:22 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 23:14:22 -0800 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981212072117.011cca8c@popd.ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: atech@popd.ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 02:21:17 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: "Dennis C. Lee" Subject: Re: What Would You Do With A Flying Saucer??? Cc: pgb@padrak.com Resent-Message-ID: <"mah1Y1.0.oD6.EVXSs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8037 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi; Sorry for reposting this material. I feel that the mind set exhibited by the original post's comment must be directly confronted. First thought of the drug running scenario as an obstical to releasing antigravity technology is that there appears to be little hinderance to such activities with present transportation methods anyways. Do you feel that your reasoning not to release antigravity technology outweighs the possible benefits I list below? 1. You could stop tidal waves from reaching shoreline (says a most honored professor). 2. Let it run and you could generate electricity and at the same time cool the planet. There would be no CO2 produced either. 3. We could analyze centrifugal momentum of the planet's land and ice masses. The Antarctic icecap is going through drastic mass fluctations. The eccentric nature of this ice mass means that the stresses on the Earth's crust is under questionable variations. An antigravity device could be used to move large ice masses and keep things in more balance. Less earthquakes and volcano activity may result. 4. They may be used to 'pin' the crust down with magnetopheresis principals in case of periods of low or reversed conditions of the Earth's magnetic field possibly preventing a crust slippage. (My idea, needs alot more study) 5. If all else fails, we could save many people by flying upward while natural catastrophy occurs on the surface. Without saving everyone, there won't be restaurants, buttered popcorn, movies, or anything like that in the aftermath. We could probably think of more GOOD things if we actually had a flying saucer. I hope those who may have control of such technology have considered the GOOD side of this issue. In addition, they must have a complete understanding of the CO2 global warming crisis and the physics involved with planetary alignment phenomenon. Could we have your opinions on the scenario I raise below that the new technology would make possible? What if we had the technology and therefore the resources to tell everyone alive and born: Here's everything you need to live comfortably. You don't have to do anything for it. Your obligation for these resources is to attain your full human potential and find out how to help the greatest number of people possible in the most positive way possible in a way that gives you the greatest personal satisfaction possible, if you can. If you take pleasure in evil deeds done to others, we will find out. We will not allow such behavior and you will lose everything forever. You will become all the greatness that you can dream and more; there is no other choice available. Period. Regards; Dennis At 07:45 PM 12/11/98 -0800, you wrote: >No No No!!! > >There is only one answer (that I have learned): > >Guess: > >(scroll down when you have completed your list...) (snip) >RUN DRUGS! > >think about it... seriously ... > >Earth built, Earth flown, da da da... > >Jingle all the way... (snip) Tall Ships http://pw1.netcom.com/~atech/tallship.html Concentric Tori http://pw1.netcom.com/~atech/GoldCTori_A.JPG From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Dec 12 00:42:28 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id AAA06641; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 00:42:24 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 00:42:24 -0800 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981212084924.01151460@popd.ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: atech@popd.ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 03:49:24 -0500 To: "R. A. Davis" , "Free Energy" From: "Dennis C. Lee" Subject: Re: ACC Transcapacitor - paying the price Resent-Message-ID: <"fvsxJ.0.cd1.lnYSs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8038 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi; Study Looks at Landscape Changes for Climatology Shifts in Modern Era Posted by Sandy on Thursday, 10 December 1998, at 9:37 p.m. Study Looks at Landscape Changes Wednesday, 9 December, 3:48 a.m. S A N F R A N C I S C O (AP) INTENSIVE FARMING, logging and other landscape changes play a major role in the world's climate, say scientists who also report that the 20th century is the warmest in 1,200 years. Wholesale changes in the land coincide with rising temperatures and rainfall shifts in a role equal to that of the usual suspect of global warming - industrial pollution from factories, power plants and traffic. The conclusions, discussed Tuesday at the meeting of the American Geophysical Union, were based on computer model simulations and field observations across the globe, from South America to Africa to Florida. The findings suggest that international guidelines under negotiation to control climate change by limiting industrial emissions may also need to target farmers, loggers and developers. "Land use is a significant contributor to climate change," said climatologist Jonathan Foley of the University of Wisconsin. "It's as important as what you do to the climate when you double carbon dioxide in the atmosphere." In a separate study, researchers at the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration said the 20th century is the warmest in the past 1,200 years. They based the conclusion on ancient climate information trapped in cores from glaciers and ocean sediments sampled around the world. The warming trend coincides with land-use changes on several continents as human populations grew and farming expanded, researchers said. "Twentieth century warming is real," said NOAA's Jonathan Overpeck. Foley's examination of the Amazon River basin in Brazil found that cutting down the rain forest not only reduces its ability to store carbon dioxide, but the bare land left after deforestation cannot return as much water to the atmosphere. Annual rainfall is reduced by as much as 20 percent in some places, according to a computer simulation by Foley and scientists in Brazil. "The ability of the land to cool itself is diminished," he said. In southern Florida, swamp draining for construction and farming this century raised local temperatures by an average of at least a half-degree, said Roger Pielke, a Colorado State University atmospheric scientist who co-authored the study. That's sufficient to be considered more than the climate's natural variability. Summer precipitation is reduced by 10 percent after the landscape changes, he said. "Perhaps the wildfires this summer in Florida were exacerbated by the degree of landscape change," Pielke said. Similar changes were observed in southeast Asia, north Africa and other locations. Stripped land that once was covered by vegetation cannot store heat, and releases it into the atmosphere, upsetting the climate balance, said Elfatih Eltahir, an environmental engineer at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. Climate change isn't always limited to drier conditions, however. The switch in the past century from prairie to irrigated farmland in Texas and Oklahoma has resulted in an increase in thunderstorms there, Pielke said. The authors also said more study is need to see how changes have contributed to climate shifts over long periods of time. Opinions? Regards; Dennis At 12:38 PM 12/10/98 -0500, R. A. Davis wrote: >I spent an hour and a half today at this website: http://accpc.com/roswell.htm which is run by American Computer Co. Also read the book, The Day After Roswell by an ex-Army officer named Corso who says he was in charge of the technology recovered from the crash site. >The web page is worthwhile for anyone here who identifies with Dennis Lee's recent expressions of discontent with the Power Structure's attitude toward breakthrough technology. >At least one American company is taking a stand (and apparently paying a price for doing so). >This is not email about ufo's--hope that's understood. >R. Alan Davis Tall Ships http://pw1.netcom.com/~atech/tallship.html Concentric Tori http://pw1.netcom.com/~atech/GoldCTori_A.JPG From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Dec 12 03:52:44 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id DAA27286; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 03:52:26 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 03:52:26 -0800 Message-ID: <001701be25c5$abffb6c0$59fd07d0@r.davis> Reply-To: "R. A. Davis" From: "R. A. Davis" To: "Free Energy" Subject: What I'd do with a (off-topic) Flying Saucer: Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 06:50:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0014_01BE259B.C21D20C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"NCC32.0.Fg6.wZbSs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8039 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01BE259B.C21D20C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 1. Mine the asteroid belt for precious metals till I became richer than = Bill Gates. 2. Hollow out an asteroid and create biospheres in it and propulsion to = move it, while, 3. Secretly gathering a few thousand people with varied training & = skills and a basic conviction that they are pretty much capable of = governing themselves. And, 4. culling biological and technological resources worldwide. 5. Transport the group and the gear to the asteroid. 6. Take off to find a suitable uninhabited planet in another system. =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01BE259B.C21D20C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0014_01BE259B.C21D20C0-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Dec 12 06:21:44 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA17908; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 06:21:37 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 06:21:37 -0800 Reply-To: From: "Joe Callus" To: Subject: RE: Detector....Re: Whistlers & Bob Beck Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 09:18:58 -0500 Message-ID: <000a01be25da$b57e3cc0$381c21a1@old> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <199812120426.XAA05208@juliet.its.uwo.ca> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"0wmOV3.0.jN4.nldSs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8040 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Chris I live in Ajax, few minutes east of Toronto. If it is not breaking any copyright laws and you want it posted I can volunteer OCR and scanning. I work at computer graphics so it's not a problem for me. I am also very interested in finding an adjustable ELF generator and information on psychological effects, can you point me in a direction? joe callus -----Original Message----- From: mbgupta@julian.uwo.ca [mailto:mbgupta@julian.uwo.ca] Sent: Friday, December 11, 1998 11:12 PM To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Detector....Re: Whistlers & Bob Beck Anything is scannable, but I am not about to scan 30 pages pronto if ever... it might be better to do an OCR as it's got restricted written all over.... Chris At 09:57 AM 12/11/98 -0500, you wrote: >Is this scanable? Could it be emailed or put on a web site? > >>Fred and all, >> >>You guys are in luck, I just happen to have Bob Beck's paper on the >>construction of SRD. It was published in 2 Aug. 1978 and is about 30 pages >>long. Beck also wrote a number of articles in Borderlands mag but I can't >>find them in their archives, assume it was some time ago. If any of you are >>interested, I can send a copy if you include a self addressed (8"x11" if >>you don't want it folded) envelop plus copying and mailing costs (say $5-6) >>from Canada. Or I will exchange it for some of the Borderland articles >>related to entrainment by Beck. I have also built a variant of his Brain >>Tuner can direct you to info on that if interested. >> >>Chris Gupta >> >>At 01:03 PM 12/10/98 -0500, John Schnurer wrote: >>> >>> >>> Dear Vol., >>> >>> I have seen several designs for 'Schmann Resonance Detectors' >>>..to be abbreviated SRD. The large majority of them use a coil of wire >>>of many turns.... often with a capacitor in parallel. This then is >>>connected to a high gain amplifier. In most cases the self resonant >>>frequncy of the coil, and its own distributed capacitance, or the >>>coil-cap combination is of a reasonably high or long... if you will .. >>>time period. If exposed to low level ELF magnetic fields within its >>>resonant frequency... then there is an output at the frequency of >>>excitation. If exposed to high level fields .... OR impulse fields ... >>>OR high level fields with pronounced rise times ....then there is an >>>output at the excitation frequency OR at the resonant frequency of the coil. >>> >>> We put one such long wire coil in the magnetically shielded room >>>at WPAFB [Wright Patterson US Air Force Base] ... which also houses a >>>SQUID magnetometer. Note we used the SQUID for some months to monitor SR. >>> >>> The coil was connected to cap in parallel and amplified by a >>>Burr-Brown high impedance op amp. >>> >>> >>> The output of the coil reflected its resonant frequency, and NOT >>>SR... ecept for the few time the two were the same. The coil would exhibit >>>SR artifact if exposed to fields of many types, including but not limited to; >>> >>> 60 cps above a certain magnitude >>> 60 cps carrying 'jagged or "unfortunate" harmonics or rise times >>> impulse >>> large fields which were time variant >>> >>> The term "large" depended on the detector. One type was a 5 to >>>10 lb spool of 33 to 44 AWG magnet wire ... in these cases 10 to 50 >>>gauss... or above... were able to creat the artifact. >>> >>> Bottom line: >>> >>> If you REALLY want to monitor SR then you MUST be sure you have >>>at least rough calibration .. AND be sure the response if flat to within >>>a couple of dBel over the expected range.... As an opinion I would >>>suggest a range of 0.1 cps to 500 cps. This is NOT an easy >>>transduction or signal processing task. But it can be done. >>> >>> JHS >>> >>> PS: Educate youself on magnetometry. >>> >>>On Wed, 9 Dec 1998, Fred Epps wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Caigan, >>>> >>>> > I spoke briefly with Dr. Beck this past weekend at the N.Y. >>>> >Health 'Expo', and asked about the availability of the paper >>>> >in question. To be brief, it is NOT available from him, or >>>> >from his sponsors . >>>> >>>> Too bad. Any reasons why? Too powerful, perhaps? >>>> >>>> If that paper ever >>>> >does turn up, I'd very much like a copy of it -heck, >>>> >ESPECIALLY the schematics! >>>> > >>>> Maybe Peter can send both of us the schematics in email in some way. >>>> Any possibility of this Peter? >>>> >>>> Fred >>>> >>>> >>> > > >Richard Austin -- email: richarda@icx.net -- radio: KG7SU >Institute for Planetary Renewal http://user.icx.net/~richarda >(newly updated web site) > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Dec 12 08:45:34 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id IAA20209; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 08:45:12 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 08:45:12 -0800 Message-Id: <199812121645.KAA23613@neon.prysm.net> From: "Robert H. Calloway" To: Subject: Re: Great Ref. On Voltage with No Current Path!!! Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 10:26:18 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"D_HMe2.0.bx4.MsfSs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8041 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Everyone must have ordered this book...alas..mine is on back order from Barnes and Noble....:( Regards, Robert H. Calloway Dont keep forever on the public road, going only where others have gone. Leave the beaten track occasionally and dive into the woods. You will be certain to find something you have never seen before... -Alexander Graham Bell- "Double your money by folding it inhalf and putting it back in your pocket" Source: My Dad... ---------- > From: Bill Briggs 614-752-0199 > To: freenrg-l > Subject: RE: Great Ref. On Voltage with No Current Path!!! > Date: Thursday, December 10, 1998 5:48 PM > > All, > > Regarding: > > >Secrets of Cold War Technology: > >Project HAARP and Beyond > > >By: Gerry Vassilkatos > > >Published by: > > >BORDERLAND SCIENCES RESEARCH FOUNDATION > >P.O. Box 220 > >Bayside, CA 95524 USA > >ISBN 0-945685-17-3 > >Library of Congress Catalog Number: 96-78764 > > >Cover List Price: $15.95 > > Found it at BarnesandNoble.com > > They show the ISBN as 0945685203, for $12.76 plus $3.95 shipping. > > Bill > webriggs@concentric.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Dec 12 09:14:03 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA26426; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 09:14:01 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 09:14:01 -0800 Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 10:12:58 -0700 (MST) From: "Jorg D. Ostrowski" X-Sender: jdo@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Dennis Lee & CONSERVE CORP.? Alive or Dead? In-Reply-To: <5c8dfa6b.36717aaf@aol.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"4UTwc1.0.kS6.OHgSs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8042 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Does anyone have a current update on the above, or United Community Services of America or Better World Technology? Are any of their products commercially available? Jorg Ostrowski From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Dec 12 10:44:07 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA20750; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 10:43:53 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 10:43:53 -0800 From: HLafonte@aol.com Message-ID: <68101326.3672b93d@aol.com> Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 13:43:09 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: My test results on magnet question Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 49 Resent-Message-ID: <"K9g1f1.0.445.ebhSs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8043 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi all, My tests results show that as the gap between the two magnets (vertical) is changed, then so does the behavior of the magnet on the cart. When the gap is large, the moving magnet will roll past the bottom magnet to a point almost equal to the opposite approach space. When the magnet gap is very small, the moving magnet only goes a short distance past the lower magnet center line. The back and forth cycle duration is slow when gap is large and becomes more rapid as you make the gap smaller. Thanks, Butch From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Dec 12 14:24:41 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA15020; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 14:24:26 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 14:24:26 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 17:34:11 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: Re: Great Ref. On Voltage with No Current Path!!! Resent-Message-ID: <"YZC0Z3.0.Wg3.QqkSs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8044 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >Dont keep forever on the public road, going only where others have gone. >Leave the beaten track occasionally and dive into the woods. You will be >certain to find something you have never seen before... >-Alexander Graham Bell- Dear List members, This is not meant as disrespect to the individual who posted the above quotation, but I thought I'd reply to Bell's statement: With respect to his first sentence: Bell failed to follow his own advice, i.e., "Don't.....go(ing) only where others have gone." And what Bell states in the last sentence above is VERY true in his case. I say this because Bell did not invent the telephone. He did improve upon it. Philipp Reis "proceeded Bell onto the new road of the telephone's invention" and Bell followed in his footsteps. As a result of studying Reis's work, Bell did indeed "find something (he) had never seen before. It's a shame that Bell did not have the personal integrity to give proper credit to Philipp Reis. Regards, Evan Soule' From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Dec 12 14:30:29 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA17673; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 14:30:26 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 14:30:26 -0800 Message-ID: <3672D1BF.FF4027B7@telusplanet.net> Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 14:27:43 -0600 From: "Don J. S. Adams" Reply-To: donadams@telusplanet.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "R. A. Davis" CC: Free Energy Subject: Re: What I'd do with a (off-topic) Flying Saucer: References: <001701be25c5$abffb6c0$59fd07d0@r.davis> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"HdbnS2.0.2K4.1wkSs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8045 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com yup... me 2. essentially, basically a contemporary rendition of Moore's Utopia.... wouldn't many of us dream of a similiar scenario? > R. A. Davis wrote: > > 1. Mine the asteroid belt for precious metals till I became richer > than Bill Gates. > 2. Hollow out an asteroid and create biospheres in it and propulsion > to move it, while, > 3. Secretly gathering a few thousand people with varied training & > skills and a basic conviction that they are pretty much capable of > governing themselves. And, > 4. culling biological and technological resources worldwide. > 5. Transport the group and the gear to the asteroid. > 6. Take off to find a suitable uninhabited planet in another system. -- We must accept the truth, even if it changes our point of view. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Don J. S. Adams Managing Consultant Microsoft Main Campus, Bldg 1 Redmond, WA USA 425-882-3431 USA 403-998-4066 Canada http://www.intergate.bc.ca/business/rave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Dec 12 14:36:54 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA21360; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 14:36:49 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 14:36:49 -0800 X-Sender: monteverde@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19981211.222514.57.0.dave.tingley@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 12:16:33 -1000 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Rick Monteverde Subject: Re: Has anyone tried ..(yes, many times...) Resent-Message-ID: <"cPQWK3.0.fD5.10lSs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8046 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Dave - You're welcome to try this but the magnets that get pulled out near the surrounding stator magnet by attraction are going to make the wheel stick and stop right there. This device or any variation of it in general will no doubt behave according to the rules of classical mechanics which have been very well described and applied over hundreds of years in all sorts of configurations, and have not been found to allow for any overunity operation. Devices that in some way tap or "cohere" effects at the level of the quantum might work if those effects can be harvested in large enough quantity and added on to the otherwise classical effects. Magnetocaloric effects *might* fall into this category, and could explain a level rollaway in the SMOT and perhaps the Finsrud (sp?) magnetic devices. - Rick Monteverde Honolulu, HI From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Dec 12 16:27:23 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA18849; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 16:27:11 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 16:27:11 -0800 Message-ID: <3673089A.4944094C@ihug.co.nz> Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 13:21:47 +1300 From: John Berry X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Great Ref. On Voltage with No Current Path!!! References: <199812121645.KAA23613@neon.prysm.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"nu9jf1.0.Qc4.UdmSs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8047 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com I'm willing to swap with anyone who has a copy of lost science ;) "Robert H. Calloway" wrote: > Everyone must have ordered this book...alas..mine is on back order from > Barnes and > Noble....:( > Regards, Robert H. Calloway > > Dont keep forever on the public road, going only where others have gone. > Leave the beaten track occasionally and dive into the woods. You will be > certain to find something you have never seen before... > -Alexander Graham Bell- > > "Double your money by folding it inhalf and putting it back in your pocket" > > Source: My Dad... > > ---------- > > From: Bill Briggs 614-752-0199 > > To: freenrg-l > > Subject: RE: Great Ref. On Voltage with No Current Path!!! > > Date: Thursday, December 10, 1998 5:48 PM > > > > All, > > > > Regarding: > > > > >Secrets of Cold War Technology: > > >Project HAARP and Beyond > > > > >By: Gerry Vassilkatos > > > > >Published by: > > > > >BORDERLAND SCIENCES RESEARCH FOUNDATION > > >P.O. Box 220 > > >Bayside, CA 95524 USA > > >ISBN 0-945685-17-3 > > >Library of Congress Catalog Number: 96-78764 > > > > >Cover List Price: $15.95 > > > > Found it at BarnesandNoble.com > > > > They show the ISBN as 0945685203, for $12.76 plus $3.95 shipping. > > > > Bill > > webriggs@concentric.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Dec 13 00:37:30 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id AAA24178; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 00:37:23 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 00:37:23 -0800 Message-ID: <36737E68.3CBE@keelynet.com> Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 02:44:24 -0600 From: "Jerry W. Decker" Reply-To: jdecker@keelynet.com Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: trknute@earthlink.net CC: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Scams: water fuel confusions References: <3.0.5.32.19981129071351.008b7190@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"N7brv2.0.dv5.3ptSs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8048 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Knute et al! First, let me say I have read many of your posts regarding hydrogen as a fuel and think you are indeed an authority on the subject, however, I think you went overboard in your response to my post about the EXTRA segment and the subsequent comments. You wrote; > How anti hydrogen propaganda persists: Come on, you should know better than that. I am and always have been a proponent of hydrogen as a fuel, especially if it can be created so simply from water. I think you might be too close to the trees to see the forest. Stand back and do a reality check please, read some of the files at my website on the subject, not to mention posts to the KeelyNet discussion list, always promoting it as but ONE facet of energy production though my preference is attempting to tap aether/zpe influx. You also wrote; > The touch of adding a quote from PT Barnum, is well into the > apparent shift in the post as he moves on to talk of particulars of > hydrogen combustion. I wonder what purpose the elicitation of > emotive associations to the legendary con, of Barnum has in a > scientific review? The reference was of course to 'a sucker born every minute' which was clearly proven in the EXTRA test and to which it directly applied. As to scientific review. Please, realize this is the Internet and a discussion list, especially on the Internet is FAR from anything remotely scientific...which by the way I never stated or intimated in the post. If anyone has the mistaken idea that these discussion lists or much of what is posted on the Internet remotely qualifies as 'scientific review' they need to look up what that term means. Again, I think you read way too much into a simple post because you are so close to the singular subject of hydrogen production. You wrote; > All of this information is available to you all over the net. Check > it out. Write to people doing work with hydrogen engines! Ask them > critical questions! You will find them only to happy to brag of > sparkling, clean engines, that never need to have their oils changed. Despite such a glowing presentment and realizing the quality of much of what is available as 'fact' on the net, where can we buy one of these hydrogen vehicles or conversion systems or plans that truly work on one or more different vehicles? Why do such hydrogen powered vehicles never show up at the conferences so many people can see successful operation of them? If there is someone out there who really does have a working hydrogen powered vehicle, sparkling clean or not, I suggest you contact any of the conferences and offer to demonstrate it and do a presentation on the subject. Such a live demonstration would have a rapt audience and if sales was their goal, proof of such a working unit would gain them many sales right on the spot (as in the EXTRA segment). I am a 3rd generation Texan, so well know how one gets 'braggin rights', but I've never met anyone who ever claimed to have a running hydrogen powered engine or seen one demonstrated or tested. Wrong circles, maybe?.....who, what, when, where, how? If such working hydrogen powered vehicles are out there, why aren't they being touted, sold, demonstrated, documented and if they work so well, isn't it peculiar that they aren't all over the roads? Or even being used to run old car engines that produce electricity for a home? Why is that? Perhaps one of these people who has one of these marvelous working conversions should contact EXTRA as a rebuttal to the segment? Their website is; http://www.extratv.com/ and please do keep us abreast if anyone has the panache to actually show their sparkling clean hydrogen powered automobile in operation, tested and verified...I know I'm interested... Why not? If it works, what is there to fear? Failure? Suppression? Paranoia? When will the energy and free energy claims ever stop if people don't actively promote WHAT WORKS and stop promoting what DOES NOT as being a working device that is AVAILABLE NOW? If its theory, say so. In the case of hydrogen there is no question it works, but implementing it successfully is quite another thing. I think a grass roots movement is the best way to get out WHAT WORKS, but most that I've heard of appear to be 'lab queens' with some kind of problem that forsakes practical, reliable use by consumers. The late Yull Brown claimed that using the stoichometric mix he called 'Browns Gas' which we now learn was discovered by an earlier researcher, claimed that 'his gas' would produce sufficient electrical energy to extract the hydrogen needs of the vehicle, thus making it self-running, if not overunity. I received several emails from a fellow who claimed to have run a modified lawnmower engine to run on hydrogen and that it produced more energy than it took to create the hydrogen to run it. All it needed was water supplied to it. As I recall, it was a lawnmower, fed with hydrogen from a small tank of water. The plates were electrified by current from an automobile generator driven by the lawnmower engine. The guy claimed he was getting 7 amps of free power at 12vdc after making the current to produce the hydrogen to run the engine. This and other hydrogen relevant posts from the KeelyNet discussion list are at; http://www.dallastexas.net/keelynet/OldArchive/00001349.htm http://www.dallastexas.net/keelynet/OldArchive/00002030.htm http://www.dallastexas.net/keelynet/OldArchive/00002027.htm http://www.dallastexas.net/keelynet/Archive/00000001.htm http://www.dallastexas.net/keelynet/OldArchive/00001602.htm http://www.dallastexas.net/keelynet/Archive/00000058.htm http://www.dallastexas.net/keelynet/OldArchive/00000604.htm http://www.dallastexas.net/keelynet/OldArchive/00000361.htm http://www.dallastexas.net/keelynet/OldArchive/00001604.htm http://www.dallastexas.net/keelynet/OldArchive/00000671.htm Again, I think water as fuel offers one of the most elegant and simple solutions for our future energy needs. I did not even mention hydrogen fuel cells which are in some ways and for some purpose, an even better way to utilize hydrogen. http://publish.uwo.ca/~jgoodhan/how.html http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/bhuebner/hydrogen.htm http://www2.thefuture.net/ics/Links.html http://pmi.princeton.edu/pathways/chm333/students/recycle/powrball.html People are still gullible as the EXTRA scam demonstrated. What is that cliche? 'extraordinary claims require extraordinary proofs'. Until reliable working models of such things as hydrogen powered vehicles are tested, verified, demonstrated and for sale, whether as retrofits or completely from scratch, its all just lab queens and more claims. Not trying to rain on the parade but the reality does not currently match the claims. When it shows up on EXTRA (or similar venues) and is rampaging through the news or available to install in everyones town, then we'll be on the right track. Its not a matter of discarding all theories, ideas or concepts, just ask for proof when there are claims, quite simple and I think it will get us a lot farther than all the time heretofore wasted. -- Jerry Wayne Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-3501 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Dec 13 01:53:45 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id BAA30226; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 01:53:40 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 01:53:40 -0800 Message-ID: <019201be25f8$59796e40$14ea39cc@default> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: Detector....Re: Whistlers & Bob Beck Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 07:16:14 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"ty2bq1.0.BO7.awuSs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8049 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi John, > > If you REALLY want to monitor SR then you MUST be sure you have >at least rough calibration .. AND be sure the response if flat to within >a couple of dBel over the expected range.... As an opinion I would >suggest a range of 0.1 cps to 500 cps. This is NOT an easy >transduction or signal processing task. But it can be done. Are you familiar with John Sutton's Black Hole Antenna? It uses a regenerative circuit fed back into the coil to "pull in" the waves, and a low Q output to get nearly flat response much higher than that. In addition the sensitivity is higher and the coil can be smaller, from what I have read. I would be interested to know what you think of it, and if you haven't heard of it you should check it out. Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Dec 13 01:53:47 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id BAA30253; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 01:53:44 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 01:53:44 -0800 Message-ID: <019401be25f8$5bc35e40$14ea39cc@default> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: Alien tech...WAS Re: ACC Trans... Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 07:44:16 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"0bSTi1.0.cO7.dwuSs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8050 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Kyle, what will an alien civilization need to get here with a small >vehicle such as supposedly crashed at Roswell? > >1. Gravity control (Or: Eugene and John's big project ;) >2. Inertial control >3. A method of accelerating to superluminal velocity in a short time >4. Extremely powerful computer technology Some of the more primitive types use all of this stuff-- and of course those are the ones the governments latch onto-- but I suggest we humans could skip this stage and move to the level the others use. To put it simplistically, they know that realities are dreams that are only real to those within them, and when they want to go somewhere they simply insert themselves into that dream/reality... Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Dec 13 01:53:53 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id BAA30312; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 01:53:48 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 01:53:48 -0800 Message-ID: <019501be25f8$5cae5a80$14ea39cc@default> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: Detector....Re: Whistlers & Bob Beck Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 07:56:11 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"ClMBT2.0.MP7.hwuSs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8051 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Chris, I know a couple of people have already said they will take care of putting this info out on the net in some form, so I won't repeat that. I also have scanning, if other offers fall through. And thanks for the offer. I understand that the technology is outdated now-- I know several people who can surpass it, IF there is evidence that the effects are worth the time and effort. And that's what I want to know, if possible. So what I am interested in are the anecdotal reports, EEGs, etc, of people who have actually experienced "in phase Schumann resonance entrainment". >From your letter it sounds like you are looking for this information too.. Fred >You guys are in luck, I just happen to have Bob Beck's paper on the >construction of SRD. It was published in 2 Aug. 1978 and is about 30 pages >long. Beck also wrote a number of articles in Borderlands mag but I can't >find them in their archives, assume it was some time ago. If any of you are >interested, I can send a copy if you include a self addressed (8"x11" if >you don't want it folded) envelop plus copying and mailing costs (say $5-6) >from Canada. Or I will exchange it for some of the Borderland articles >related to entrainment by Beck. I have also built a variant of his Brain >Tuner can direct you to info on that if interested. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Dec 13 02:06:40 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id CAA02760; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 02:06:37 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 02:06:37 -0800 Message-ID: <002101be2680$023d6540$96d2989e@david-callaghan> From: "David Callaghan" To: Subject: Re: Scams: water fuel confusions Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 09:58:33 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"e9abl2.0.zg.j6vSs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8052 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Jerry and All -----Original Message----- From: Jerry W. Decker >If such working hydrogen powered vehicles are out there, why aren't they >being touted, sold, demonstrated, documented and if they work so well, >isn't it peculiar that they aren't all over the roads? Or even being >used to run old car engines that produce electricity for a home? Why is >that? Many manufacturers have hydrogen powered vehicles at least at prototype stage. I certainly know that Mazda have a hydrogen powered MX-5 (Murata ?) as I've seen a few on the road (well it had large 'Powered by Hydrogen' decals....). They are probably not being sold at present because of the lack of places to fill up. There are few (16 I think) petrol stations in the UK that can feed hydrogen as well as natural gas and Liquefied Petroleum Gas. I can walk into a Volvo showroom in the UK and buy a LPG powered car today, although I haven't seen any advertising to this effect. I'd be willing to bet that all major car manufacturers have done the necessary research and can readily convert their engines to run on a variety of fuels including hydrogen. As usual, however, the motor manufacturers will wait for legislation before pushing sales. I know that Chrysler have been researching hydrogen power since the 1960's. As stated by TRK, hybrid engines that are designed to work with propane will also work with hydrogen. Could it be events such as the Hindenburg disaster that have put people off hydrogen? (It was actually the explosive 'waterproof' coating that caused the Hindenburg disaster!) IMHO we need legislation to force motor manufacturers to offer hydrogen powered or hybrid cars for sale, and to force the petrol giants to supply hydrogen at the pumps. Hydrogen would also probably cost more per mile than petrol currently (petrol costs about $6.00 USD per gallon in the UK). Because petrol powered cars that meet strict new Californian laws are available, I think this will take some time yet. I wonder if rioters in the future will be making hydrogen bombs instead of petrol bombs :-) Best regards David Callaghan From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Dec 13 04:10:08 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id EAA21305; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 04:10:00 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 04:10:00 -0800 Message-ID: <000901be2691$7970c6a0$1bfd07d0@r.davis> Reply-To: "R. A. Davis" From: "R. A. Davis" To: Subject: Re: Alien tech...WAS Re: ACC Trans... Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 07:09:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"trv-H2.0.oC5.MwwSs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8053 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com -----Original Message----- From: Fred Epps To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Sunday, December 13, 1998 4:55 AM Subject: Re: Alien tech...WAS Re: ACC Trans... > Fred, seriously, where do I sign up for the training course? R. A. Davis > >Some of the more primitive types use all of this stuff-- and of course >those are the ones the governments latch onto-- but I suggest we humans >could skip this stage and move to the level the others use. To put it >simplistically, they know that realities are dreams that are only real >to those within them, and when they want to go somewhere they simply >insert themselves into that dream/reality... > >Fred > > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Dec 13 09:08:44 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA07317; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 09:06:14 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 09:06:14 -0800 From: "Martin" To: Subject: Re: Scams: water fuel confusions Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 14:28:53 +0200 Message-ID: <01be2694$254bea20$83df1ac4@Martin.icon.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"zbxso1.0.Ao1.5G_Ss"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8054 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi All Actually a number of countries have laws against Hydrogen or LPG usage in vehicles. We have the classic one here where civillians are not allowed to LPG power there cars but a mining company can use it in there trucks and also some other forms of small transport. Hydrogen is also restricted because of its"instability". Strange world REGARDS MARTIN From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Dec 13 11:18:41 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA15387; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 11:18:20 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 11:18:20 -0800 Message-ID: <367414A6.5A20@keelynet.com> Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 13:25:26 -0600 From: "Jerry W. Decker" Reply-To: jdecker@keelynet.com Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com CC: DCallaghan@CallaghanSystems.Demon.Co.Uk Subject: Re: Scams: water fuel confusions References: <002101be2680$023d6540$96d2989e@david-callaghan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"agZKj1.0.Km3.yB1Ts"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8055 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi David et al! You wrote; > ...They are probably not being sold at present because of the lack > of places to fill up. There are few (16 I think) petrol stations > in the UK that can feed hydrogen as well as natural gas and > Liquefied Petroleum Gas. I can walk into a Volvo showroom in the > UK and buy a LPG powered car today, although I haven't seen any > advertising to this effect. as well as; > ...Could it be events such as the Hindenburg disaster that have put > people off hydrogen? (It was actually the explosive 'waterproof' > coating that caused the Hindenburg disaster!) David, I think you hit the nail on the head with regard to using hydrogen gas that is already made up and possibly stored in something like those carbon nanotubes as opposed to just making it AS YOU NEED IT from safe, clean water. That Spanish discovery about the molybdenum compound that instantly hisses water into its constituent gasses is the best thing I'd seen. Though it will eventually dissolve away the molybdenum compound, it requires no electricity or outside source of power. What little I have on it is at; http://www.keelynet.com/energy/valhyd.htm The guy with the lawnmower engine said by adjusting the stroke on his engine that he could reduce the heat and stop the formation of water which is why I posted those messages. I thought it was 7 amps but the note said 15 amps was being produced. Now it would seem that some mechanically minded person out there would get a 4 cylinder engine and adjust the stroke in a similar fashion, then use this engine to drive a generator to provide the electrical needs of a home. Here is yet another version of that method that claims the production of 7KW by a simple modification of any car engine; http://www.keelynet.com/energy/dynamo.txt Some people are heavy into auto engines so such a test would be easy for them, needing mostly garage space and a 'sacrificial engine'. Maybe videotaping their results and selling the tape to show others of their success, and/or with plans that work, as George Wiseman does at; http://www.eagle-research.com/ Now George doesn't claim free energy as in overunity, though he like most of us is looking for that also. But increasing efficiency is a necessary stepping stone to understand how to get to over unity. The lawnmower claim intrigues me even if only at 10 amps at 12vdc was left over after the power needed to generate the hydrogen, that is still 120Watts of overunity power, if it works as the guy claimed. And thats working from ONE CYLINDER. The coolest thing is that it makes the hydrogen from the water as it needs it, no storage, no explosions. -- Jerry Wayne Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-3501 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Dec 13 11:57:18 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA24479; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 11:57:12 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 11:57:12 -0800 Message-ID: <005e01be26d2$58210820$e13261cb@default> From: "Matthew Redmond" To: Subject: Re: Scams: water fuel confusions Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 08:53:01 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"HTdVn.0.O-5.Nm1Ts"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8056 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hello everybody, I have a partial Beyond 2000 article about the Mazda Rotory Hydrogen powered vehicle (I think it was either the HR-X or HRV, but I could be very wrong). The tape is somewhere midst a huge pile of other tapes so it could take a while to locate it if anyone is interested in more details. -Matthew ---------------------------------- http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/adze From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Dec 13 19:46:00 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA03836; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 19:45:18 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 19:45:18 -0800 Message-ID: <022a01be2714$45648f80$9775bdcc@btech> From: "Bill Wallace`" To: , Subject: Re: Scams: water fuel confusions Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 22:45:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"1NXiR2.0.rx.Ed8Ts"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8057 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >They are probably not being sold at present because of the lack of places to >fill up. There are few (16 I think) petrol stations in the UK that can feed >hydrogen as well as natural gas and Liquefied Petroleum Gas. I can walk >into a Volvo showroom in the UK and buy a LPG powered car today, although I >haven't seen any advertising to this effect. I agree that the infrastructre is critical to this new technology. That is why I feel directly fueled hydrogen will lose out to some sort of cell, electricity is already present everywhere gas is. Metering will be much easier for the companies and there will be only minimal change to infrastructure with electric vehicles. Has anyone heard of Avcon? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Dec 13 20:04:13 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA12198; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 20:04:00 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 20:04:00 -0800 Message-ID: <02b501be2716$e25d9460$9775bdcc@btech> From: "Bill Wallace`" To: , Subject: Re: Scams: water fuel confusions Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 23:04:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"Py0sc1.0.K-2.mu8Ts"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8058 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Do Hydrides have these same laws against them too? >Actually a number of countries have laws against Hydrogen or LPG usage in >vehicles. We have the classic one here where civillians are not allowed to >LPG power there cars but a mining company can use it in there trucks and >also some other forms of small transport. Hydrogen is also restricted >because of its"instability". > >Strange world > >REGARDS > >MARTIN > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Dec 13 20:14:21 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA14130; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 20:14:15 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 20:14:15 -0800 Message-ID: <031601be2718$50368040$9775bdcc@btech> From: "Bill Wallace`" To: , Subject: Re: Scams: water fuel confusions Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 23:14:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"etBkk2.0.gS3.N29Ts"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8059 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com So it wasn't a miata then? >Hello everybody, > >I have a partial Beyond 2000 article about the Mazda Rotory Hydrogen powered >vehicle (I think it was either the HR-X or HRV, but I could be very wrong). >The tape is somewhere midst a huge pile of other tapes so it could take a >while to locate it if anyone is interested in more details. > >-Matthew >---------------------------------- >http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/adze > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Dec 13 20:32:39 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA19695; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 20:32:36 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 20:32:36 -0800 Message-ID: <19981214043419.12308.rocketmail@send206.yahoomail.com> Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 20:34:19 -0800 (PST) From: Joe De Brouse Subject: A new Method,A new Device To: energy list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"RcE3s1.0.ep4.ZJ9Ts"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8060 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com I invite all to view a new site: http://www.bodyvibes.com Comments welcome,Yours Truly, == BE WELL, JOE _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Dec 13 21:32:59 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA07347; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 21:32:56 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 21:32:56 -0800 From: mbgupta@julian.uwo.ca Message-Id: <199812140532.AAA26098@romeo.its.uwo.ca> X-Sender: mbgupta@julian.uwo.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 00:28:43 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Detector....Re: Whistlers & Bob Beck In-Reply-To: <019501be25f8$5cae5a80$14ea39cc@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Uh0L3.0.io1.7CATs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8061 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Fred, Beck apparently has done quite a bit of work on this. There is a tape sold by SOTA on the Brain Tuner that alludes to this work and I have seen references in Borderlands Mag which I would dearly love to get. I have build the Brian Tuner to play with the SR and all it does is relaxes me. However, I have not finished my experimenting as there some food related issues that counter these effects. Such as the use of garlic and onion both of which are indispensable in my diet... So will have to purge these from my systems before further work can be done. Then there is also an issue that not every one can be entrained. Beck's work indicates that only about 35% of the people can be entrained via appropriate orthogonal magnetic fields. Not sure about the electrical micro current but for depression and drug addiction electric micro currents are over 90% effective but only about 48% for tobacco addiction! Chris Gupta At 07:56 AM 12/12/98 -0800, you wrote: >Hi Chris, > >I know a couple of people have already said they will take care of >putting this info out on the net in some form, so I won't repeat that. I >also have scanning, if other offers fall through. And thanks for the >offer. >I understand that the technology is outdated now-- I know several people >who can surpass it, IF there is evidence that the effects are worth the >time and effort. And that's what I want to know, if possible. >So what I am interested in are the anecdotal reports, EEGs, etc, of >people who have actually experienced "in phase Schumann resonance >entrainment". > >>From your letter it sounds like you are looking for this information >too.. > >Fred > >>You guys are in luck, I just happen to have Bob Beck's paper on the >>construction of SRD. It was published in 2 Aug. 1978 and is about 30 >pages >>long. Beck also wrote a number of articles in Borderlands mag but I >can't >>find them in their archives, assume it was some time ago. If any of you >are >>interested, I can send a copy if you include a self addressed (8"x11" >if >>you don't want it folded) envelop plus copying and mailing costs (say >$5-6) >>from Canada. Or I will exchange it for some of the Borderland articles >>related to entrainment by Beck. I have also built a variant of his >Brain >>Tuner can direct you to info on that if interested. > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Dec 14 10:58:36 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA20298; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:58:05 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:58:05 -0800 Message-ID: <3675631E.C8393EE6@harti.com> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 20:12:30 +0100 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: harti@harti.com Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Newman-L Mailing List , freenrg-l , Evan Soule Subject: Anyone going to the Newman demo today ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"BZauS.0._y4.z-LTs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8062 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi, if anyone is attending the Newman machine demo from Newman in Scottsdale, Arizona, today, please post, what is happening over there. Thanks ! Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Dec 14 16:05:19 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA23005; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 16:05:12 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 16:05:12 -0800 Message-ID: <3675B7FC.6473@gte.net> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 20:14:39 -0500 From: Institute for Basic Research Reply-To: ibr@gte.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com Subject: Insufficiencies of quantum mechanics Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"TuH06.0.Ld5.uUQTs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8063 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com The most comprehensive known list of insufficiencies ofg quantum mechanics in particle physics, nuclear physics, superconductivity, quantum chemistry, relativity, gravitation and cosmology has recently appeared in INFINITE ENERGY, Vol. 4, issue no. 22, pages 33 to 49, 1998 authored by Prof. R. M. Santilli formerly of Harvard University, currently President of The Institute for Basic Research under the title: PHYSICAL LAWS OF THE ENERGING NEW ENERGIES AS PREDICTED BY HADRONIC MECHANICS, I: INSUFFICIENCIES OF QUANTUM MECHANICS Four additional papers on this series are in progress for publication also at Infinite Energy, Paper II dealing with the new mechanics, Paper III on the available experimental verifications of the new mechanics; and Papers IV and V dedicated to quantitative studies of the new energies (defined in this series as those NOT predicted by quantum mechanics and the special relativity). This is a serious effort requiring collegial partecipation. Comments would be appreciated. Best Wishes for the coming Holidays George F. Weiss Editorial Manager Hadronic Journal Hadronic Journal Supplement, Algebras, Groups and Geometries From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Dec 14 17:00:31 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA12310; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 17:00:26 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 17:00:26 -0800 Message-ID: <3675B80C.90C53E39@harti.com> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 02:14:52 +0100 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: harti@harti.com Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ibr@gte.net CC: Newman-L Mailing List , freenrg-l , toups@toupstech.com, "Institute for Basic Research TTL- VP MClancy" Subject: Re: New experiments done....AquaFuel efficiency very much increased and water arc effect. References: <3671E5D8.C9CA1B1@harti.com> <36751F1D.5C77@gte.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"-kcBO2.0.903.fIRTs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8064 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Institute for Basic Research wrote: > > Dear Stefan, > > It was nice indeed to talk to you by phone. I find your research on the > Newman coil and AquaFuel very interesting on "scientific" grounds. As > Editor in Chief of the Hadronic Journal Suppl. I confirm my invitation > for you to publish your results there. This will give you the scientific > priority. Publication is at no charge, provided that you deliver to us a > camera-ready manuscript. > > On “industrial” grounds, the situation appears to be different. I would > appreciate your comments and corrections of my current understanding as > outlined below. > > “The” primary open problem of AquaFuel is to reach LARGE VOLUMES OF > PRODUCTION as an evident necessary condition for industrial > applications. Your Newman coil has a high resistance and it is put in > series from a power unit. As a result, from a power unit significant in > Kwh, you end up serving the arc in millianps (is this correct ?). It > then follows that the production of AquaFuel is very very small. > > To put it differently, if my understanding is correct, the use of the > SAME power unit you now have WITHOUT the Newman coil, but used to serve > the arc directly would produce 1,000 time more AF, of course, with the > correspondingly higher absorption. Is this correct ? Yes, but it will also use much more electrical input ! As a side effect of the Newman technology AquaFuel could be produced. That just would be an optional energy output of the Newman motor and not using up much additional input energy into the Newman motor. Just another useful output of the Newman motor, which would be almost additionally "free". >Note that the > electrical energy used is secondary. The volume is of primary > significance. Then, once the needed volume is reached, the issue of its > efficiency follows. > > Some of the questions open at this moment are: > > 1) How do you modify the current setting to produce AF in large volumes > ? Can you just scale it up ? But then is the weight within reason ? Yes, it just depends on the current density. Today I had used 25 Amperes spikes of short duration at about 600 Volts DC and the AquaFuel production is very much enhanced this way. I have taped this onto my DV camcorder and will soon post an MPEG movie. > > 2) Can your principle of double discharge be used to enhance OTHER means > of production without the Newman coil ? Yes, a capacitor discharge is fine ! :) This way you can use High Voltage and have short high Ampere current spikes ! :) The water almost explodes this way ! :) > 3) What is the very limit of current knowledge for the FASTEST > separation of water in LARGE VOLUMES, e.g., via the use of very high > voltages ? Or others ? I guess, short spikes of HV with huge DC current will do it best. > > I confirm the invitation to come to Florida at our expenses (if approved > by Toups Technology Corporation) to you or any other expert who could > provide results us on these research matters. Thanks, for the offer, let me first study it over here some more and research it further. I am pretty busy with my schedule right now. Regards, Stefan. > > If there is anything I can do to help you, do not hesitate to ask. > > Sincerely > > Ruggero > > _________________________________________ > Prof. Ruggero Maria Santilli > President > INSTITUTE FOR BASIC RESEARCH > P. O. Box 1577 > Palm Harbor, FL 34682, U. S. A. > Tel. +1-813-934 9593, Fax +1-813-934 9275 > E-address ibr@gte.net > Web site http://home1.gte.net/ibr > ________________________________________ -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Dec 14 20:33:45 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA22453; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 20:33:41 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 20:33:41 -0800 Message-ID: <19981215041625.21837.rocketmail@send103.yahoomail.com> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 04:16:25 +0000 (GMT) From: Anton Rager Subject: Sprites and filament structure To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"YgQzq3.0.kU5.bQUTs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8065 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi All, Sciencedaily had an article a few days ago about sprites and their filamant-like stucture. Guess I need to take a telescope and VLF/ELF receiver up to the top of Mt.Evans [or Pikes Peak] and have a look for myself.... see: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1998/12/981211083459.htm Sorry John S. -- Can't get the formatting to work right in my email. Let me know if you want an emailed copy of the article. == Anton Rager a_rager@yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Dec 15 03:56:59 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id DAA09647; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 03:56:53 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 03:56:53 -0800 Message-ID: <367651F9.D3040BF@harti.com> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 13:11:37 +0100 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: harti@harti.com Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Newman-L Mailing List , freenrg-l Subject: Nobody has been at the Newman demo on the 14th ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"k1bXE1.0.eM2.5waTs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8066 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi, has nobody been from the list at the new Newman demo in Scottsdale Arizona ? Please post a summary, if you have been there. Thanks ! Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Dec 15 05:56:36 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id FAA01816; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 05:56:24 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 05:56:24 -0800 Message-ID: <000c01be2832$9db95fc0$1d39b5cc@s.boster> From: "S. Boster" To: , "Newman-L Mailing List" , "freenrg-l" Subject: Re: Nobody has been at the Newman demo on the 14th ? Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 06:55:45 -0700 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"Z4YVj1.0.HS.7gcTs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8067 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hello all, I attended the demo on Monday afternoon from 2:30 pm until just after 5:00. The friend I rode with had to leave or I would have stayed longer. Yes, the Motor did take off and run! Joe, after one of his rousing introductions, connected 22 6-volt lantern batteries to the Motor at 3:43 pm, it started to rotate and he stated it would continue to run 24 hours a day for the rest of the week so all could come and see it running. He says the batteries were several months old, and measuring two of them for voltage, found them to be "down" to about 5.3 volts each. He tried to run one of the infamous "trolling motors" on the two batteries and it wouldn't even turn over. Of course, they and 20 others ran the big Motor just fine at about 90 or 100 rpm. He put a tachometer to the shaft at one point but was talking about something else so I didn't interrupt him to ask the speed. I was disappointed to find no demonstration of Volts x Amps input / Dynometer output because there was no dynometer present. I was at the September demo here where he had a non-working dyno and I fully expected to see it operating yesterday. There wasn't even an oscilloscope present! The Motor was the same one shown at that Sept. demo. Joe deftly deflected all technical questions with one history lesson after another and I left not having learned anything new. With considerations to the audience he expected, he may have felt that too much technical talk would make peoples' eyes glaze over, but I feel hard-pressed to invited any of my other technical-minded friends to the demo if there is no "real proof" to be shown. I have explained the Motor to them as well (or better)as they would get from the demo. At one point, an elderly lady in the back row asked "Why doesn"t someone put one in their backyard and run their house?" Joe replied, "Oh no, they would just get their house burned down!" At that point MY eyes glazed over as I was stunned to hear that kind of answer. I will try to go to another demo later in the week and see if the Motor is still running. Please, let's hear from anyone else who can add to this report! Scott Boster HumBusters, Inc. Phoenix, AZ -----Original Message----- From: Stefan Hartmann To: Newman-L Mailing List ; freenrg-l Date: Tuesday, December 15, 1998 4:51 AM Subject: Nobody has been at the Newman demo on the 14th ? >Hi, > >has nobody been from the list at the new >Newman demo in Scottsdale Arizona ? > >Please post a summary, if you have been there. >Thanks ! > >Regards, Stefan. > > >-- >Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann >Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany >Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 >email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com >http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Dec 15 06:23:58 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA11205; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 06:23:56 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 06:23:56 -0800 Message-ID: <000a01be2836$54311380$b7faf0cf@default> From: "mrand@access" To: Subject: Re: Nobody has been at the Newman demo on the 14th ? Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 06:22:15 -0800 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"-qI-o1.0.rk2.w3dTs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8068 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Scott, Thanks for your report! How many people were there? What was the ballpark size/dimension of the Motor? Did he say what his Motor (generator?) could be used for? Any plans for marketing and selling the unit for any market? Future plans? Regards, Michael Randall -----Original Message----- From: S. Boster To: harti@harti.com ; Newman-L Mailing List ; freenrg-l Date: Tuesday, December 15, 1998 6:01 AM Subject: Re: Nobody has been at the Newman demo on the 14th ? >Hello all, > >I attended the demo on Monday afternoon from 2:30 pm until just after >5:00. The friend I rode with had to leave or I would have stayed longer. > >Yes, the Motor did take off and run! Joe, after one of his rousing >introductions, connected 22 6-volt lantern batteries to the Motor at From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Dec 15 06:29:49 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA14792; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 06:29:40 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 06:29:40 -0800 Message-ID: <367675C4.FD0DC837@harti.com> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 15:44:20 +0100 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: harti@harti.com Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "S. Boster" , Newman-L Mailing List , freenrg-l Subject: Re: Nobody has been at the Newman demo on the 14th ? References: <000c01be2832$9db95fc0$1d39b5cc@s.boster> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"xLuMz1.0.1d3.K9dTs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8069 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com "S. Boster" wrote: > > Hello all, > > I attended the demo on Monday afternoon from 2:30 pm until just after > 5:00. The friend I rode with had to leave or I would have stayed longer. > Can you go again there and take some pictures, please ? > Yes, the Motor did take off and run! Joe, after one of his rousing > introductions, connected 22 6-volt lantern batteries to the Motor at > 3:43 pm, it started to rotate and he stated it would continue to run 24 > hours a day for the rest of the week so all could come and see it > running. He says the batteries were several months old, and measuring > two of them for voltage, found them to be "down" to about 5.3 volts > each. He tried to run one of the infamous "trolling motors" on the two > batteries and it wouldn't even turn over. Of course, they and 20 others > ran the big Motor just fine at about 90 or 100 rpm. He put a tachometer > to the shaft at one point but was talking about something else so I > didn't interrupt him to ask the speed. Did he run a load with it ? Did he connect any DC generator to teh shaft and measure DC output ? Please tell him, he should do this and show the output, when you go next time to the demo. Tell him, I proposed this demo. How many people were there ? > I was disappointed to find no demonstration of Volts x Amps input / > Dynometer output because there was no dynometer present. Please ask him, what has happened to his dynamometer he had at the Sept. demo displayed... Ask, if he still owns it, or if he just got loaned it only for a few days in Sept... >I was at the > September demo here where he had a non-working dyno and I fully expected > to see it operating yesterday. There wasn't even an oscilloscope > present! The Motor was the same one shown at that Sept. demo. > Maybe he was not fully yet setup on Monday ? Maybe the next days will be a better demo ? > Joe deftly deflected all technical questions with one history lesson > after another and I left not having learned anything new. With > considerations to the audience he expected, he may have felt that too > much technical talk would make peoples' eyes glaze over, but I feel > hard-pressed to invited any of my other technical-minded friends to the > demo if there is no "real proof" to be shown. I have explained the Motor > to them as well (or better)as they would get from the demo. > > At one point, an elderly lady in the back row asked "Why doesn"t someone > put one in their backyard and run their house?" Joe replied, "Oh no, > they would just get their house burned down!" At that point MY eyes > glazed over as I was stunned to hear that kind of answer. > > I will try to go to another demo later in the week and see if the Motor > is still running. Please, let's hear from anyone else who can add to > this report! If he will just show only the motor running, without showing input and output I guess, this is not a good demo and he should better not have done it..... I am disappointed again. Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Dec 15 09:16:46 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA07649; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 09:16:41 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 09:16:41 -0800 Message-ID: <000a01be284e$9471d200$1739b5cc@s.boster> From: "S. Boster" To: , , "freenrg-l" Subject: Re: Nobody has been at the Newman demo on the 14th ? Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 10:15:55 -0700 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"lzmxE.0.Qt1.ubfTs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8070 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com To Michael & Stefan: To answer your questions: >How many people were there? Only about ten while I was there. >What was the ballpark size/dimension of the Motor? About 12-14 inch diameter, 5 feet long iron pipe case, end plates to hold the bearings, two 3 inch by 3 inch holes opposite each other near one end for commutator access. The lead wire-to-brush interfaces were held together with rubber bands, with a large capacitor on the floor. I asked the value of the cap and got a non-answer. >Did he say what his Motor (generator?) could be used for? As usual, "to turn sea water into fresh and deserts into oasis's". >Any plans for marketing and selling the unit for any market? This was the most frustrating. Everyone in the room asked their own version of this question, and nobody got an answer that really cleared it up. Apparently, he'd like investors to come up with as much as 200 million dollars with little regard for return on investment except for the sake of humanity. Quote, "If only every person in the U.S. would send me only a dollar, we'd get this thing off the ground!" Endquote. >Future plans? See above. I hope I'm wrong about this and am probably speaking out of school here, but I would gladly accept chastisement to learn of the True Plan. >Can you go again there and take some pictures, please ? I will try, on Thursday. >Did he run a load with it ? No, he seemed to think that showing how difficult it was to turn the shaft by hand, and the motor running at all was sufficient to prove his concept was valid. >Did he connect any DC generator to the shaft and measure >DC output ? No. >Please tell him, he should do this and show the output, when you go next >time to the demo. >Tell him, I proposed this demo. I would hope Evan would encourage him to do so. I can't tell him anything. >Please ask him, what has happened to his dynamometer he had >at the Sept. demo displayed... >Ask, if he still owns it, or if he just got loaned it only >for a few days in Sept... Again, maybe Evan can clue us all in???? >Maybe he was not fully yet setup on Monday ? That was obvious, I certainly hope to demo gets better and the Motor keeps running. I asked for a DC voltage reading after running for an hour but he wouldn't stop it to measure it without the RF noise affecting the meter. >If he will just show only the motor running, without showing input and >output >I guess, this is not a good demo and >he should better not have done it..... > >I am disappointed again. > >Regards, Stefan. > Ditto From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Dec 15 13:09:31 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA02629; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 13:09:16 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 13:09:16 -0800 Message-ID: <3676D33D.4B342B8C@harti.com> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 22:23:09 +0100 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: harti@harti.com Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Newman-L Mailing List , "S. Boster" , freenrg-l Subject: Re:Newman demo on the 14th ? References: <000a01be284e$9471d200$1739b5cc@s.boster> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"jiVik1.0.-e.x_iTs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8071 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thanks Scott for all your answers. I hope you can see more on Thursday ! Good luck ! Regards, Stefan. "S. Boster" wrote: > > To Michael & Stefan: > > To answer your questions: > > >How many people were there? > Only about ten while I was there. > > >What was the ballpark size/dimension of the Motor? > About 12-14 inch diameter, 5 feet long iron pipe case, end plates to > hold the bearings, two 3 inch by 3 inch holes opposite each other near > one end for commutator access. The lead wire-to-brush interfaces were > held together with rubber bands, with a large capacitor on the floor. I > asked the value of the cap and got a non-answer. > > >Did he say what his Motor (generator?) could be used for? > As usual, "to turn sea water into fresh and deserts into oasis's". > > >Any plans for marketing and selling the unit for any market? > This was the most frustrating. Everyone in the room asked their own > version of this question, and nobody got an answer that really cleared > it up. Apparently, he'd like investors to come up with as much as 200 > million dollars with little regard for return on investment except for > the sake of humanity. Quote, "If only every person in the U.S. would > send me only a dollar, we'd get this thing off the ground!" Endquote. > > >Future plans? > See above. I hope I'm wrong about this and am probably speaking out of > school here, but I would gladly accept chastisement to learn of the True > Plan. > > >Can you go again there and take some pictures, please ? > > I will try, on Thursday. > > >Did he run a load with it ? > No, he seemed to think that showing how difficult it was to turn the > shaft by hand, and the motor running at all was sufficient to prove his > concept was valid. > > >Did he connect any DC generator to the shaft and measure > >DC output ? > No. > > >Please tell him, he should do this and show the output, when you go > next > >time to the demo. > >Tell him, I proposed this demo. > I would hope Evan would encourage him to do so. I can't tell him > anything. > > >Please ask him, what has happened to his dynamometer he had > >at the Sept. demo displayed... > >Ask, if he still owns it, or if he just got loaned it only > >for a few days in Sept... > Again, maybe Evan can clue us all in???? > > >Maybe he was not fully yet setup on Monday ? > That was obvious, I certainly hope to demo gets better and the Motor > keeps running. I asked for a DC voltage reading after running for an > hour but he wouldn't stop it to measure it without the RF noise > affecting the meter. > > >If he will just show only the motor running, without showing input and > >output > >I guess, this is not a good demo and > >he should better not have done it..... > > > >I am disappointed again. > > > >Regards, Stefan. > > > Ditto -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Dec 15 14:29:10 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA29003; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 14:28:36 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 14:28:36 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 17:37:45 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: Re: Nobody has been at the Newman demo on the 14th ? Cc: "Newman-L Mailing List" Resent-Message-ID: <"PSCie3.0.157.EAkTs"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8072 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >Hello all, > >I attended the demo on Monday afternoon from 2:30 pm until just after >5:00. The friend I rode with had to leave or I would have stayed longer. > >Yes, the Motor did take off and run! Joe, after one of his rousing >introductions, connected 22 6-volt lantern batteries to the Motor at >3:43 pm, it started to rotate and he stated it would continue to run 24 >hours a day for the rest of the week so all could come and see it >running. He says the batteries were several months old, and measuring >two of them for voltage, found them to be "down" to about 5.3 volts >each. He tried to run one of the infamous "trolling motors" on the two >batteries and it wouldn't even turn over. Of course, they and 20 others >ran the big Motor just fine at about 90 or 100 rpm. He put a tachometer >to the shaft at one point but was talking about something else so I >didn't interrupt him to ask the speed. > >I was disappointed to find no demonstration of Volts x Amps input / >Dynometer output because there was no dynometer present. I was at the >September demo here where he had a non-working dyno and I fully expected >to see it operating yesterday. There wasn't even an oscilloscope >present! The Motor was the same one shown at that Sept. demo. > >Joe deftly deflected all technical questions with one history lesson >after another and I left not having learned anything new. With >considerations to the audience he expected, he may have felt that too >much technical talk would make peoples' eyes glaze over, but I feel >hard-pressed to invited any of my other technical-minded friends to the >demo if there is no "real proof" to be shown. I have explained the Motor >to them as well (or better)as they would get from the demo. > >At one point, an elderly lady in the back row asked "Why doesn"t someone >put one in their backyard and run their house?" Joe replied, "Oh no, >they would just get their house burned down!" At that point MY eyes >glazed over as I was stunned to hear that kind of answer. > >I will try to go to another demo later in the week and see if the Motor >is still running. Please, let's hear from anyone else who can add to >this report! > >Scott Boster >HumBusters, Inc. >Phoenix, AZ > Dear Scott, While I was out, Joseph Newman left a long message re the Presentation in Scottsdale on my telephone answering machine in response to your above email (which I had conveyed to him over the phone earlier in the day), but before I could transcribe it, someone else called in at precisely the same time as I was preparing to transcribe his message, and it was somehow "digitally lost". I believe he will be engaged with the Presentation until late tonight. There are two points in particular which I recall: 1) You stated above that the battery voltage dropped to "5.3" volts. Joseph Newman said that the battery voltage actually dropped to .14 VOLTS and he added that you acknowledged this drop in his presence. He does not therefore understand why you wrote the above figure. 2) He also stated that you said that _his_ Motor/Generator should NOT have even been able to turn over at all --- which was the case when the batteries were attached to the MinnKota Motors. He wonders why you did not mention this in your above message. He stated to me that he would like you to return to the Presentation later this week and directly state to him what you wrote above. If there has been any miscommunication or confusion, that would be an opportunity to clear it up. Also, you wrote above, "The Motor was the same one shown at that Sept. demo." This is perhaps misleading. While (outwardly) the Motor appears the same as the one shown at the Sept. demo, the interior of the Motor has been completely rebuilt and redesigned. Anyone is welcome to contact Joseph Newman at his (602) 657-3722 and discuss further details regarding the Presentation. Best time would be c. 10pm or 9am (Phoenix Time). Sincerely, Evan Soule' From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Dec 15 14:59:49 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA08550; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 14:59:41 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 14:59:41 -0800 Message-ID: <003401be287e$81756f60$2e39b5cc@s.boster> From: "S. Boster" To: Subject: Re: Nobody has been at the Newman demo on the 14th ? Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 15:59:00 -0700 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"9BxSx.0.C52.RdkTs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8073 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Evan wrote, in response to my report: >There are two points in particular which I recall: > >1) You stated above that the battery voltage dropped to "5.3" volts. >Joseph Newman said that the battery voltage actually dropped to .14 VOLTS >and he added that you acknowledged this drop in his presence. He does not >therefore understand why you wrote the above figure. I don't remember anything about .14 volts. After shorting out two new batteries he was going to use, he retrieved two batteries from the 22 under the Motor. Connected in series, they measured 10.8 volts. He said, "That's OK, we'll just use these anyway." I only reported the assumed voltage of each of those two batteries to be 10.8 / 2 = 5.4. Oops, I understated the value of those two batteries and nothing else. This 10.8 volts was connected to the trolling motor and it literally did not turn one revolution before stopping and depleting the batteries further. I have no arguement with what I witnessed. > >2) He also stated that you said that _his_ Motor/Generator should NOT have >even been able to turn over at all --- which was the case when the >batteries were attached to the MinnKota Motors. He wonders why you did not >mention this in your above message. > Let me get this right - He said I said that the big Motor should not have worked. Believe me, I had every faith that the Motor would work - if anything I went along with the high drama he was trying to present; I thought for sure he wouldn't have wanted some guy saying, at that point in time, "Oh No, I KNOW it will work, because I have read the book and I believe!" >He stated to me that he would like you to return to the Presentation later >this week and directly state to him what you wrote above. > I'd be happy to return, I hope this apparent three-way miscommunication hasn't turned adversarial. I'm not looking for trouble, but, where is the dynometer? >If there has been any miscommunication or confusion, that would be an >opportunity to clear it up. > >Also, you wrote above, "The Motor was the same one shown at that Sept. >demo." This is perhaps misleading. While (outwardly) the Motor appears >the same as the one shown at the Sept. demo, the interior of the Motor has >been completely rebuilt and redesigned. My confusion, something was said there that led me to state that. > >Anyone is welcome to contact Joseph Newman at his (602) 657-3722 and >discuss further details regarding the Presentation. Best time would be c. >10pm or 9am (Phoenix Time). > >Sincerely, > >Evan Soule' > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Dec 15 16:03:57 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA31490; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 16:03:39 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 16:03:39 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 19:13:15 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: Scottsdale Presentation Resent-Message-ID: <"ofrgZ.0.th7.QZlTs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8074 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >Evan wrote, in response to my report: > >>There are two points in particular which I recall: >> >>1) You stated above that the battery voltage dropped to "5.3" volts. >>Joseph Newman said that the battery voltage actually dropped to .14 >VOLTS >>and he added that you acknowledged this drop in his presence. He does >not >>therefore understand why you wrote the above figure. > >I don't remember anything about .14 volts. After shorting out two new >batteries he was going to use, he retrieved two batteries from the 22 >under the Motor. Connected in series, they measured 10.8 volts. He said, >"That's OK, we'll just use these anyway." I only reported the assumed >voltage of each of those two batteries to be 10.8 / 2 = 5.4. Oops, I >understated the value of those two batteries and nothing else. This 10.8 >volts was connected to the trolling motor and it literally did not turn >one revolution before stopping and depleting the batteries further. I >have no arguement with what I witnessed. >> >>2) He also stated that you said that _his_ Motor/Generator should NOT >have >>even been able to turn over at all --- which was the case when the >>batteries were attached to the MinnKota Motors. He wonders why you did >not >>mention this in your above message. >> >Let me get this right - He said I said that the big Motor should not >have worked. Believe me, I had every faith that the Motor would work - >if anything I went along with the high drama he was trying to present; I >thought for sure he wouldn't have wanted some guy saying, at that point >in time, "Oh No, I KNOW it will work, because I have read the book and I >believe!" I believe this communication is 'falling victim' to misunderstanding and the limitations of email. Let me try it this way: (As I understand it) Joseph Newman said that you said (in effect, you AGREED with Joe) that HIS Motor should not even be able to have worked at all ---- *IF* it was based on conventional science (as was the case with the earlier-designed [conventional] MinnKota motors built prior to utilizing his technology.) Because of the importance of this point --- AND the fact that it DID work, Joe had asked me why that was not mentioned in your post. I said that I did not know. I hope this explains the nature of the communication. > >>He stated to me that he would like you to return to the Presentation >later >>this week and directly state to him what you wrote above. >> > >I'd be happy to return, I hope this apparent three-way miscommunication >hasn't turned adversarial. I'm not looking for trouble, but, where is >the dynometer? As far as I know Milton Everett, the engineer in Phoenix has it. I don't think it was ever operable. Supposedly there was some part that was either defective or not shipped by the manufacturer. As a result, Joe chose to use a proney brake test instead. > >>If there has been any miscommunication or confusion, that would be an >>opportunity to clear it up. >> >>Also, you wrote above, "The Motor was the same one shown at that Sept. >>demo." This is perhaps misleading. While (outwardly) the Motor >appears >>the same as the one shown at the Sept. demo, the interior of the Motor >has >>been completely rebuilt and redesigned. > >My confusion, something was said there that led me to state that. > >> >>Anyone is welcome to contact Joseph Newman at his (602) 657-3722 and >>discuss further details regarding the Presentation. Best time would be >c. >>10pm or 9am (Phoenix Time). >> >>Sincerely, >> >>Evan Soule' >> From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Dec 15 16:11:01 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA01083; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 16:11:00 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 16:11:00 -0800 Message-ID: <008501be2887$696b7aa0$0200a8c0@no> From: "Bill Wallace" To: Subject: Re: Nobody has been at the Newman demo on the 14th ? Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 19:02:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"saZZW2.0.nG.JglTs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8075 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com How much valuable time has to be wasted on this? He has had roughly some 20 years and no results, compare him to Tesla if you like but I believe Tesla did have some "working" inventions. I believe the rich and powerful "establishment" tried to discredit him too by electrifying the kitties with AC. The point is it worked, magnetic motors have had a LONG LONG time and many people and efforts and thoughts about them, where are the results - how many times do you have to fail before you realize you need to move on? Futility! >Hello all, > >I attended the demo on Monday afternoon from 2:30 pm until just after >5:00. The friend I rode with had to leave or I would have stayed longer. > >Yes, the Motor did take off and run! Joe, after one of his rousing >introductions, connected 22 6-volt lantern batteries to the Motor at >3:43 pm, it started to rotate and he stated it would continue to run 24 >hours a day for the rest of the week so all could come and see it >running. He says the batteries were several months old, and measuring >two of them for voltage, found them to be "down" to about 5.3 volts >each. He tried to run one of the infamous "trolling motors" on the two >batteries and it wouldn't even turn over. Of course, they and 20 others >ran the big Motor just fine at about 90 or 100 rpm. He put a tachometer >to the shaft at one point but was talking about something else so I >didn't interrupt him to ask the speed. > >I was disappointed to find no demonstration of Volts x Amps input / >Dynometer output because there was no dynometer present. I was at the >September demo here where he had a non-working dyno and I fully expected >to see it operating yesterday. There wasn't even an oscilloscope >present! The Motor was the same one shown at that Sept. demo. > >Joe deftly deflected all technical questions with one history lesson >after another and I left not having learned anything new. With >considerations to the audience he expected, he may have felt that too >much technical talk would make peoples' eyes glaze over, but I feel >hard-pressed to invited any of my other technical-minded friends to the >demo if there is no "real proof" to be shown. I have explained the Motor >to them as well (or better)as they would get from the demo. > >At one point, an elderly lady in the back row asked "Why doesn"t someone >put one in their backyard and run their house?" Joe replied, "Oh no, >they would just get their house burned down!" At that point MY eyes >glazed over as I was stunned to hear that kind of answer. > >I will try to go to another demo later in the week and see if the Motor >is still running. Please, let's hear from anyone else who can add to >this report! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Dec 15 16:17:56 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA03968; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 16:17:53 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 16:17:53 -0800 Message-ID: <00a201be2888$53d3b800$0200a8c0@no> From: "Bill Wallace" To: , "S. Boster" , "Newman-L Mailing List" , "freenrg-l" Subject: Re: Nobody has been at the Newman demo on the 14th ? Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 19:09:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"H4V3E2.0.vz.mmlTs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8076 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >Can you go again there and take some pictures, please ? For what purpose, I thought you had a working model? Why do you need his pictures for something in your shop? According to his announcement it seemed like you had replicated results. >Maybe he was not fully yet setup on Monday ? Maybe, but after 20 or so years how much time does he need to PROVE a concept that he supposedly has had working for so long? How long did it take Tesla to PROVE AC could propagate further than DC? >I am disappointed again. How many times do you have to be let down before you give up? Time is just as valuable a resource as any, and there is so little to waste. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Dec 15 16:29:08 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA08402; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 16:29:04 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 16:29:04 -0800 Message-ID: <000a01be288a$fcb3eb00$2a39b5cc@s.boster> From: "S. Boster" To: Subject: Re: Scottsdale Presentation Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 17:28:20 -0700 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"j_Vud.0.B32.FxlTs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8077 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Dear Evan, > >I believe this communication is 'falling victim' to misunderstanding and >the limitations of email. Let me try it this way: (As I understand it) >Joseph Newman said that you said (in effect, you AGREED with Joe) that HIS >Motor should not even be able to have worked at all ---- *IF* it was based >on conventional science (as was the case with the earlier-designed >[conventional] MinnKota motors built prior to utilizing his technology.) >Because of the importance of this point --- AND the fact that it DID work, >Joe had asked me why that was not mentioned in your post. I said that I >did not know. > >I hope this explains the nature of the communication. > > I still fail to see what that has to do with anything. Yes, I would agree with the *IF* if I had made such a statement in the first place. I don't understand what he expected me to say in that regard. I KNEW it would work, as I've said before. I don't need to back up and conjecture about what *IF* it was built with conventional technology, I knew it wasn't; I was there to see it run! >> >>>He stated to me that he would like you to return to the Presentation >>later >>>this week and directly state to him what you wrote above. >>> >> >>I'd be happy to return, I hope this apparent three-way miscommunication >>hasn't turned adversarial. I'm not looking for trouble, but, where is >>the dynometer? > >As far as I know Milton Everett, the engineer in Phoenix has it. I don't >think it was ever operable. Supposedly there was some part that was either >defective or not shipped by the manufacturer. As a result, Joe chose to >use a proney brake test instead. > If by proney brake you mean a noose of rope with a weight (and a spring scale) on the knot end of the noose. He draped it over a 14 inch pulley mounted on the end of the Motor shaft. He then announced that, because the weight was being rotated up from vertical by about 45 degrees that work was being done, in addition to all the work needed to turn that big heavy shaft. Regards, Scott Boster From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Dec 15 17:19:34 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA27797; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 17:19:17 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 17:19:17 -0800 Message-ID: <367729F0.7BF2@tiac.net> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 19:33:04 -0800 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Scottsdale Presentation References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"seLYr2.0.9o6.KgmTs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8078 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Evan Soule wrote: > I believe this communication is 'falling victim' to misunderstanding and > the limitations of email. Let me try it this way: (As I understand it) > Joseph Newman said that you said (in effect, you AGREED with Joe) that HIS > Motor should not even be able to have worked at all ---- *IF* it was based > on conventional science (as was the case with the earlier-designed > [conventional] MinnKota motors built prior to utilizing his technology.) > Because of the importance of this point --- AND the fact that it DID work, > Joe had asked me why that was not mentioned in your post. I said that I > did not know. Evan, why according to conventional science should this newly rebuilt motor not run? What specific design feature should render this motor inoperable according to conventional thinking? > As far as I know Milton Everett, the engineer in Phoenix has it. I don't > think it was ever operable. Supposedly there was some part that was either > defective or not shipped by the manufacturer. As a result, Joe chose to > use a proney brake test instead. Mr. Boster, did you observe any proney break testing during the demonstration? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Dec 15 21:15:16 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA02186; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 21:14:43 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 21:14:43 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <002201be28b2$b32e5380$7ca9f0cf@default> From: "mrand@access" To: Subject: Re: Re:Newman demo on the 14th ? Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 21:12:32 -0800 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"1B0i-3.0.1Y.z6qTs"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8079 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >Thanks Scott for all your answers. Yes, thanks! >I hope you can see more on Thursday ! Yes, maybe more info will be presented :-) >Good luck ! > >Regards, Stefan. > Regards, Michael Randall From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Dec 16 02:47:08 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id CAA30037; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 02:46:59 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 02:46:59 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 05:56:49 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman Resent-Message-ID: <"35_Ol3.0.EL7.Y-uTs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8080 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Bill, The amount of "valuable time" that will be wasted on this will be what is necessary to make it happen. It is no threat to you. Your negative comments will not really help the situation. Joseph Nemwan has built many working prototypes over the years, to which more than 30 scientists and engineers attested and signed legal affidavits. Additionally, a technical expert and former U.S. Commissioner of the patent office also stated that it worked as described by Joseph Newman. And, more recently, the results obtained by researchers in France and Germany attest to the unusual nature of the technology with EEO>EEI results. Less negativism and more independent construction, testing, and experimentation are what is needed. It is the anamolies in science which can often yield the most fruitful results from inquiry. For me, an important point is that there is a new understanding --- a specific mechanical and fundamental explanation for such phenomena as Fleming's Rule and Magnetic Attraction & Repulsion, which never existed before. This explanation, this understanding, will enable us to understanding (electro)magnetism in such as manner as to be able to correct previously built-in inefficiencies. Sincerely, Evan Soule' >How much valuable time has to be wasted on this? He has had roughly some 20 >years and no results, compare him to Tesla if you like but I believe Tesla >did have some "working" inventions. I believe the rich and powerful >"establishment" tried to discredit him too by electrifying the kitties with >AC. The point is it worked, magnetic motors have had a LONG LONG time and >many people and efforts and thoughts about them, where are the results - how >many times do you have to fail before you realize you need to move on? >Futility! > > > >>Hello all, >> >>I attended the demo on Monday afternoon from 2:30 pm until just after >>5:00. The friend I rode with had to leave or I would have stayed longer. >> >>Yes, the Motor did take off and run! Joe, after one of his rousing >>introductions, connected 22 6-volt lantern batteries to the Motor at >>3:43 pm, it started to rotate and he stated it would continue to run 24 >>hours a day for the rest of the week so all could come and see it >>running. He says the batteries were several months old, and measuring >>two of them for voltage, found them to be "down" to about 5.3 volts >>each. He tried to run one of the infamous "trolling motors" on the two >>batteries and it wouldn't even turn over. Of course, they and 20 others >>ran the big Motor just fine at about 90 or 100 rpm. He put a tachometer >>to the shaft at one point but was talking about something else so I >>didn't interrupt him to ask the speed. >> >>I was disappointed to find no demonstration of Volts x Amps input / >>Dynometer output because there was no dynometer present. I was at the >>September demo here where he had a non-working dyno and I fully expected >>to see it operating yesterday. There wasn't even an oscilloscope >>present! The Motor was the same one shown at that Sept. demo. >> >>Joe deftly deflected all technical questions with one history lesson >>after another and I left not having learned anything new. With >>considerations to the audience he expected, he may have felt that too >>much technical talk would make peoples' eyes glaze over, but I feel >>hard-pressed to invited any of my other technical-minded friends to the >>demo if there is no "real proof" to be shown. I have explained the Motor >>to them as well (or better)as they would get from the demo. >> >>At one point, an elderly lady in the back row asked "Why doesn"t someone >>put one in their backyard and run their house?" Joe replied, "Oh no, >>they would just get their house burned down!" At that point MY eyes >>glazed over as I was stunned to hear that kind of answer. >> >>I will try to go to another demo later in the week and see if the Motor >>is still running. Please, let's hear from anyone else who can add to >>this report! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Dec 16 03:00:01 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id CAA00154; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 02:59:59 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 02:59:59 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 06:09:50 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: Re: Scottsdale Presentation Resent-Message-ID: <"TgCgQ.0.J2.lAvTs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8081 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >Dear Evan, >> >>I believe this communication is 'falling victim' to misunderstanding >and >>the limitations of email. Let me try it this way: (As I understand >it) >>Joseph Newman said that you said (in effect, you AGREED with Joe) that >HIS >>Motor should not even be able to have worked at all ---- *IF* it was >based >>on conventional science (as was the case with the earlier-designed >>[conventional] MinnKota motors built prior to utilizing his >technology.) >>Because of the importance of this point --- AND the fact that it DID >work, >>Joe had asked me why that was not mentioned in your post. I said that >I >>did not know. >> >>I hope this explains the nature of the communication. >> >> >I still fail to see what that has to do with anything. Yes, I would >agree with the *IF* if I had made such a statement in the first place. I >don't understand what he expected me to say in that regard. I KNEW it >would work, as I've said before. I don't need to back up and conjecture >about what *IF* it was built with conventional technology, I knew it >wasn't; I was there to see it run! I believe the point he is making is that what it is doing is not possible via conventional science. He indicated to me that you agreed that this was the case at the presentation. Regards, Evan Soule' > >>> >>>>He stated to me that he would like you to return to the Presentation >>>later >>>>this week and directly state to him what you wrote above. >>>> >>> >>>I'd be happy to return, I hope this apparent three-way >miscommunication >>>hasn't turned adversarial. I'm not looking for trouble, but, where is >>>the dynometer? >> >>As far as I know Milton Everett, the engineer in Phoenix has it. I >don't >>think it was ever operable. Supposedly there was some part that was >either >>defective or not shipped by the manufacturer. As a result, Joe chose >to >>use a proney brake test instead. >> > >If by proney brake you mean a noose of rope with a weight (and a spring >scale) on the knot end of the noose. He draped it over a 14 inch pulley >mounted on the end of the Motor shaft. He then announced that, because >the weight was being rotated up from vertical by about 45 degrees that >work was being done, in addition to all the work needed to turn that big >heavy shaft. > >Regards, > >Scott Boster From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Dec 16 03:00:17 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id DAA00267; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 03:00:14 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 03:00:14 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 06:09:52 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: Re: Scottsdale Presentation Resent-Message-ID: <"QdG9-.0.z3.zAvTs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8082 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >Evan Soule wrote: > > > >> I believe this communication is 'falling victim' to misunderstanding and >> the limitations of email. Let me try it this way: (As I understand it) >> Joseph Newman said that you said (in effect, you AGREED with Joe) that HIS >> Motor should not even be able to have worked at all ---- *IF* it was based >> on conventional science (as was the case with the earlier-designed >> [conventional] MinnKota motors built prior to utilizing his technology.) >> Because of the importance of this point --- AND the fact that it DID work, >> Joe had asked me why that was not mentioned in your post. I said that I >> did not know. > >Evan, why according to conventional science should this newly rebuilt >motor >not run? > >What specific design feature should render this motor inoperable >according to >conventional thinking? Bob, I believe the point that Joe is making is that the input from the batteries would be insufficient to enable the shaft of any conventional motor (of similar size/etc) to be able to "turn" -- let alone continue running. Evan > > > >> As far as I know Milton Everett, the engineer in Phoenix has it. I don't >> think it was ever operable. Supposedly there was some part that was either >> defective or not shipped by the manufacturer. As a result, Joe chose to >> use a proney brake test instead. > >Mr. Boster, did you observe any proney break testing during the >demonstration? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Dec 16 04:26:12 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id EAA19042; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 04:26:04 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 04:26:04 -0800 Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 22:25:55 +1000 (GST) From: Jimmy Huang To: "Jerry W. Decker" cc: trknute@earthlink.net, freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Hydrogen Powered Car. In-Reply-To: <36737E68.3CBE@keelynet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"A6q5Z.0.Rf4.SRwTs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8083 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Anyone see last weeks Discovery Channel show on super-efficient cars? (Our cable feed is about a week old around these parts, Guam) I just saw it last week. And they got lots of really neat cars built by some major manufacturers. Many of them boasting close to 90 mpg. Main problem seems to be that they cannot be manufactored for cheap. One prototype was built up for 3 million dollars. Seems like most of them were really "hybrid" vehicles. These are cars that run on electric motors, but have high efficiency heat engines that charge the batteries to either extend the range or boost the performance or sometimes both. The reason why they can't be built cheap is that they make the cars really really light in order to get the high mpgs, using carbon fiber bodies and magnesium alloy frames. What really blew my mind was that (the American manufacturers at least) were building these cars as a response to a challenge made by Bill Clinton to put out into the market cars with 90 MPGs!!! They had a short segment about hydrogen powered cars. They mentioned that these cars will be 3rd generation cars. First we're going to have on the market these hybdrid or electric powered cars, and then we will probably get the hydrogen powered cars sometime in the future. I don't know if they had a working prototype of a hydrogen powered car shown on the TV in the show cuz I switched the channel to watch something else. But, when I flipped the channel back, they were telling us that the main problem with hydrogen powered cars, is the storage of the hydrogen itself in the car. They had a researcher (2) a husband and wife team working off some university (forget which). And they explained it as such, here's a high pressure 1 gallon bottle. If we filled it with hydrogen at maximum high pressures, you could probably get 15 miles before you used up the bottle of hydrogen. The 2 researchers recently made a breakthrough in some polymer technology that is supposed to be in some kind of microscopic honeycomb structure which was supposedly be able to better efficiently store the hydrogen. They claimed if they stuck that in the same 1 gallon bottle, and then put in the hydrogen, you could get probably 150 miles of the same bottle. They further claim that you can put that polymer in a standard gas tank (didn't mention whether it would be highly pressurized or not), and get some 1500 miles off that gas tank of hydrogen. Seems like hydrogen powered cars will not be far off. Now all they have to sell is the electrolyser, so you can make the hydrogen yourself, ran off an AC plug. Of course, Discover channel was much more cautious of this, and instead envisioned, "hydrogen gas stations." This electrolyser would probably cost as much as a car... ah well... Jimmy From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Dec 16 04:48:43 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id EAA24788; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 04:48:41 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 04:48:41 -0800 Message-ID: <3677A84E.4AA5FB4E@harti.com> Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 13:32:14 +0100 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: harti@harti.com Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, "S. Boster" , Newman-L Mailing List Subject: Proney brake test ? Re: Scottsdale Presentation References: <000a01be288a$fcb3eb00$2a39b5cc@s.boster> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"y6HLF1.0.936.emwTs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8084 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Evan wrote: > As a result, Joe chose > to > >use a proney brake test instead. > > > > If by proney brake you mean a noose of rope with a weight (and a spring > scale) on the knot end of the noose. He draped it over a 14 inch pulley > mounted on the end of the Motor shaft. He then announced that, because > the weight was being rotated up from vertical by about 45 degrees that > work was being done, in addition to all the work needed to turn that big > heavy shaft. Hi Scott and Evan, please report more about this proney brake test. How many Kilograms was the weight ? How high was it lifted ? At what speed turned the motor rpm at this experiment ? What was the supply voltage at the same time and how much input current went into it ? Can you please ask these questions, when you go next time to the demo ? Otherwise nothing can be said about the efficiency of his new motor. He must clearly show, that mechanically more power could come out of the motor than electrically put in. Otherwise he will not find any investors who will put money into it. If his new motor would only be 250 % mechanically efficient, than it would be easy to turn a DC generator via the shaft and produce enough DC to power again the Newman motor and have a selfrunning system. But it seems, Newman is still "Miles away" from this. I thought he would show this at this new Scottsdale demo. Otherwise he cannot show, how he wants to power a home with it. It seems Jean Louis Naudin has achived better results than Newman himself in a much shorter time... If he would put the 22 x 6 Volts batteries in parallel, (each with a diode to suppress shortout currents at different 6.x voltage levels), the Minn Kota Motor would have also probably turned ! :) The Minn Kota motor is designed for high current, so you have to have a high current power source at low voltage. So just using 2 batteries in series is not an equal experiment. 22 x 6 Volts in parallel for the Minn Kota would be a simular experiment to have the same input power level as 22 x 6 Volts in series for the Newman motor. Thanks ! > > Regards, > > Scott Boster Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Dec 16 12:12:29 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA25517; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 12:12:14 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 12:12:14 -0800 X-Sender: richarda@mailhub.icx.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 15:12:25 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Richard Austin Subject: Scottsdale Presentation, The Bottom Line Resent-Message-ID: <"f-WgY2.0.cE6.UG1Us"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8085 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com In order to demonstrate useable overunity, you have to demonstrate the bottom line. Namely: 1. It is self running using capacitors for extended periods of time. 2. It starts on low-charged batteries and charges the batteries while running and runs indefinitely without destroying the batteries. I prefer the first because it is possible for bad batteries to be stimulated in ways that may mask what is really happening. Everything else is not proof of overunity and is a hoax or self deception. Which of the two has been demonstrated? Richard Austin -- email: richarda@icx.net -- radio: KG7SU Institute for Planetary Renewal http://user.icx.net/~richarda (newly updated web site) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Dec 16 13:00:44 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA12603; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 13:00:39 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 13:00:39 -0800 From: dtmiller@nevia.net (Dean T. Miller) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Hydrogen Powered Car. Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 21:02:58 GMT Organization: Miller and Associates Reply-To: dtmiller@nevia.net Message-ID: <367a0657.122839046@mail.nevia.net> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id NAA12556 Resent-Message-ID: <"Ih_AU3.0.p43.sz1Us"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8086 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Jimmy, On Wed, 16 Dec 1998 22:25:55 +1000 (GST), you wrote: >The 2 researchers recently made a breakthrough in some polymer technology >that is supposed to be in some kind of microscopic honeycomb structure >which was supposedly be able to better efficiently store the hydrogen. >They claimed if they stuck that in the same 1 gallon bottle, and then put >in the hydrogen, you could get probably 150 miles of the same bottle. >They further claim that you can put that polymer in a standard gas tank >(didn't mention whether it would be highly pressurized or not), and get >some 1500 miles off that gas tank of hydrogen. I'm probably mistaken, but don't the Ni-MH batteries do that now? (Nickel-Metal-Hydride -- the Hydride part is hydrogen storage in an almost molecular-level foam matrix). I don't think there's any appreciable pressure buildup in these batteries. -- Dean -- from (almost) Duh Moines (CDP, KB0ZDF) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Dec 16 13:43:15 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA00045; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 13:42:47 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 13:42:47 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 16:52:33 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: Let's Talk Hypotheticals. Resent-Message-ID: <"jMZ732.0.c.Mb2Us"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8087 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Let's Talk Hypotheticals. Let's take two motors -- Motor A and Motor B: Motor A weighs 14 lbs (including a 4 lb rotor). Motor B weighs 350 lbs (including a 140 lb rotor). Take the case of Motor A: Motor A: ________ Let's say we have twenty-two 6-volt, dry cell batteries and were are interested in knowing if these batteries are sufficiently charged to operate motors. Let's take any two (of the above twenty-two) 6-volt dry cell batteries and connect them in series to Motor A. Let's say that Motor A's rotor fails to turn. It just "sits there". So we ask ourselves, I wonder if either the two 6-volt dry cell batteries are DEAD, or the two 6-volt dry cell batteries are not designed to work with Motor A? So, let's say we then purchase two new 6-volt, dry cell batteries (identical type) and connect them in series to Motor A. Motor A immediately begins to rotate at 100 rpms. One could then say that 1) the 6-volt, dry cell batteries CAN work with Motor A and 2) the first two 6-volt, dry cell batteries were DEAD. To additionally determine the voltage of the first two 6-volt, dry cell batteries, we then connect them to a voltmeter which shows that battery voltage is only .45 volts --- less than 1/2 of one volt. We then proceed to take two more of the twenty-two batteries, and then another two, and then another two, and we repeat the above process with all of the other twenty 6-volt, dry cell batteries. We find that in every case, Motor A's rotor will NOT turn and in every case battery voltage via the voltmeter is showing less than 1/2 of a one volt. ------------------------- Take the case of Motor B: Motor B: ________ As stated above, Motor B weighs 350 lbs (including a 140 lb rotor). Let's further state that it has been demonstrated to require 35 lbs of force to rotate the 140-lb rotor shaft of Motor B. Let's then say that we take these twenty-two DEAD batteries (the ones described and so determined in the above test) and connect them IN SERIES to Motor B. What happens? Motor B immediately (within several seconds) begins rotating at 130 rpms. Conclusion: Could one say -- hypothetically -- that Motor B has characteristics different from Motor A? Could one say -- hypothetically that Motor B seems to be more efficient than Motor A? Motor B has a rotor which is TEN TIMES THE WEIGHT of Motor A and yet, on batteries which are operationally DEAD (for purposes of operating Motor A), Motor B immediately begins rotating at 130 rpms. Is it possible that there is an anomaly here? An anomaly worth further investigation? Could it be that it is possible to design motors to operate on such depleted batteries? If so, what does this say about the characteristics of such motors? Evan Soule' From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Dec 16 17:05:40 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA12856; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 17:05:25 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 17:05:25 -0800 Message-ID: <002501be2958$33c71ae0$0200a8c0@no> From: "Bill Wallace" To: Subject: Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 19:56:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"tL73a1.0.h83.KZ5Us"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8088 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >necessary to make it happen. It is no threat to you. Every moment lost to waste is a moment not spent on progress that benefits us all. Your negative >comments will not really help the situation. Joseph Nemwan has built many >working prototypes over the years, to which more than 30 scientists and >engineers attested and signed legal affidavits. Did Tesla build prototypes? Did millionaires not offer to invest money with him and then do so because he had "working" prototypes? Additionally, a technical >expert and former U.S. Commissioner of the patent office also stated that >it worked as described by Joseph Newman. It seems to me if so many truly believed in the potential why haven't they put more than a few signed pieces of paper at stake, why have they not invested their blood, sweat, and MONEY in this - the things that are truly valuable into this technology? Millionaires and investors that are successful keep their cash for a reason, they usually know when something works and when something is a pipe dream, I put my faith in the greed of the successful man, not in something that has had over 20 years of dedicated research by one man with no results. And, more recently, the results >obtained by researchers in France and Germany attest to the unusual nature >of the technology with EEO>EEI results. Less negativism and more >independent construction, testing, and experimentation are what is needed. I agree more experimentation would be needed, if there seemed to be something to investigate, but without explicit explanations of the technology, correct methods and apparatus to test the hypothesis, and and accurate implementation of the scientific method how do you expect others to replicate? >It is the anamolies in science which can often yield the most fruitful >results from inquiry. I agree, but if even the inventor or discover can not give an accurate description of what if ANY process is happening how is anyone else to do so? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Dec 16 17:14:14 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA16317; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 17:14:10 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 17:14:10 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 20:23:57 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman Resent-Message-ID: <"z5Xy91.0.r-3.Xh5Us"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8089 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >>necessary to make it happen. It is no threat to you. > >Every moment lost to waste is a moment not spent on progress that benefits >us all. > >Your negative >>comments will not really help the situation. Joseph Nemwan has built many >>working prototypes over the years, to which more than 30 scientists and >>engineers attested and signed legal affidavits. > >Did Tesla build prototypes? Did millionaires not offer to invest money with >him and then do so because he had "working" prototypes? > > Additionally, a technical >>expert and former U.S. Commissioner of the patent office also stated that >>it worked as described by Joseph Newman. > >It seems to me if so many truly believed in the potential why haven't they >put more than a few signed pieces of paper at stake, why have they not >invested their blood, sweat, and MONEY in this - the things that are truly >valuable into this technology? Millionaires and investors that are >successful keep their cash for a reason, they usually know when something >works and when something is a pipe dream, I put my faith in the greed of the >successful man, not in something that has had over 20 years of dedicated >research by one man with no results. You are in error, Bill. Joseph Newman has had repeated positive results with his technology: he has powered lights, appliance fans, table saws, and automobiles. And many HAVE put their blood, sweat, and MONEY in the technology --- much of it spent in fight patent office bureaucrats who have proven themselves to be technically incompetent. > > And, more recently, the results >>obtained by researchers in France and Germany attest to the unusual nature >>of the technology with EEO>EEI results. Less negativism and more >>independent construction, testing, and experimentation are what is needed. > >I agree more experimentation would be needed, if there seemed to be >something to investigate, but without explicit explanations of the >technology, correct methods and apparatus to test the hypothesis, and and >accurate implementation of the scientific method how do you expect others to >replicate? Joseph Newman has provided explicit explanations of his technology --- it is contained in his fundamental book, THE ENERGY MACHINE OF JOSEPH NEWMAN. > >>It is the anamolies in science which can often yield the most fruitful >>results from inquiry. > > >I agree, but if even the inventor or discover can not give an accurate >description of what if ANY process is happening how is anyone else to do so? This is not true in this case. Joseph Newman has described and published an accurate description of the processes involved in his technology. This description has been communciated to others who have replicated his results. And to re-post: Let's Talk Hypotheticals. Let's take two motors -- Motor A and Motor B: Motor A weighs 14 lbs (including a 4 lb rotor). Motor B weighs 350 lbs (including a 140 lb rotor). Take the case of Motor A: Motor A: ________ Let's say we have twenty-two 6-volt, dry cell batteries and were are interested in knowing if these batteries are sufficiently charged to operate motors. Let's take any two (of the above twenty-two) 6-volt dry cell batteries and connect them in series to Motor A. Let's say that Motor A's rotor fails to turn. It just "sits there". So we ask ourselves, I wonder if either the two 6-volt dry cell batteries are DEAD, or the two 6-volt dry cell batteries are not designed to work with Motor A? So, let's say we then purchase two new 6-volt, dry cell batteries (identical type) and connect them in series to Motor A. Motor A immediately begins to rotate at 100 rpms. One could then say that 1) the 6-volt, dry cell batteries CAN work with Motor A and 2) the first two 6-volt, dry cell batteries were DEAD. To additionally determine the voltage of the first two 6-volt, dry cell batteries, we then connect them to a voltmeter which shows that battery voltage is only .45 volts --- less than 1/2 of one volt. We then proceed to take two more of the twenty-two batteries, and then another two, and then another two, and we repeat the above process with all of the other twenty 6-volt, dry cell batteries. We find that in every case, Motor A's rotor will NOT turn and in every case battery voltage via the voltmeter is showing less than 1/2 of a one volt. ------------------------- Take the case of Motor B: Motor B: ________ As stated above, Motor B weighs 350 lbs (including a 140 lb rotor). Let's further state that it has been demonstrated to require 35 lbs of force to rotate the 140-lb rotor shaft of Motor B. Let's then say that we take these twenty-two DEAD batteries (the ones described and so determined in the above test) and connect them IN SERIES to Motor B. What happens? Motor B immediately (within several seconds) begins rotating at 130 rpms. Conclusion: Could one say -- hypothetically -- that Motor B has characteristics different from Motor A? Could one say -- hypothetically that Motor B seems to be more efficient than Motor A? Motor B has a rotor which is TEN TIMES THE WEIGHT of Motor A and yet, on batteries which are operationally DEAD (for purposes of operating Motor A), Motor B immediately begins rotating at 130 rpms. Is it possible that there is an anomaly here? An anomaly worth further investigation? Could it be that it is possible to design motors to operate on such depleted batteries? If so, what does this say about the characteristics of such motors? Evan Soule' From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Dec 16 20:49:16 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA32453; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 20:49:09 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 20:49:09 -0800 Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 20:49:03 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199812170449.UAA28253@snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: dave dameron Subject: Re: Let's Talk Hypotheticals. Resent-Message-ID: <"ODHAi1.0.-w7.4r8Us"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8090 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Evan and all, At 04:52 PM 12/16/98 -0600, you wrote: >Let's Talk Hypotheticals. > >Let's take two motors -- Motor A and Motor B: > >Motor A weighs 14 lbs (including a 4 lb rotor). > >Motor B weighs 350 lbs (including a 140 lb rotor). > >Take the case of Motor A: > >Motor A: >________ > >Let's say we have twenty-two 6-volt, dry cell batteries and were are >interested in knowing if these batteries are sufficiently charged to >operate motors. > >Let's take any two (of the above twenty-two) 6-volt dry cell batteries and >connect them in series to Motor A. > >Let's say that Motor A's rotor fails to turn. It just "sits there". > >To additionally determine the voltage of the first two 6-volt, dry cell >batteries, we then connect them to a voltmeter which shows that battery >voltage is only .45 volts --- less than 1/2 of one volt. Is this voltage open circuit, or under load to motor A? > ---- >Take the case of Motor B: > >Motor B: >________ > >As stated above, Motor B weighs 350 lbs (including a 140 lb rotor). > >Let's further state that it has been demonstrated to require 35 lbs of >force to rotate the 140-lb rotor shaft of Motor B. To overcome starting friction, or to continue to run? Where is the 35 lbs applied? > >Let's then say that we take these twenty-two DEAD batteries (the ones >described and so determined in the above test) and connect them IN SERIES >to Motor B. > >What happens? > >Motor B immediately (within several seconds) begins rotating at 130 rpms. > >Conclusion: > >Could one say -- hypothetically -- that Motor B has characteristics >different from Motor A? Yes, also in practice, not just hypothetically. Could one say -- hypothetically that Motor B seems >to be more efficient than Motor A? No, it might be, but the test in inconclusive. Would motor A run if the the 22 batteries are grouped as 11 pairs, all in parallel? The description is that it is a 12 volt motor. And maybe at less current from each battery, the voltage would be > 0.45 volts each. I assume the voltage from the batteries in series at motor B is more than 22*0.45 = 9.9 volts? If Both motors are, hypothetically 12 watts, motor A draws 12watts/12 volts = 1 Amp. Motor B is rated at 6*22 = 132 volt and draws about 0.09 Amps. So the impedance of motor A is 12 Ohms and motor B is about 1450 Ohms, each requiring different power supply characteristics (voltage and impedance). The weight of a motor may not be an indication of its wattage, however. > >Motor B has a rotor which is TEN TIMES THE WEIGHT of Motor A and yet, on >batteries which are operationally DEAD (for purposes of operating Motor A), >Motor B immediately begins rotating at 130 rpms. > >Is it possible that there is an anomaly here? An anomaly worth further >investigation? Yes! But the factors such as the above impedances may hide them or maybe _cause_ them - matching the source to the load. Just being more efficient or matched may not be an anomaly. > >Could it be that it is possible to design motors to operate on such >depleted batteries? If so, what does this say about the characteristics of >such motors? > Being more efficient it may be. Being "ou" is a whole different matter! -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Dec 16 20:55:36 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA03630; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 20:55:33 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 20:55:33 -0800 Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 23:47:29 -0500 (EST) From: John Schnurer To: free E Subject: Newman... magnet... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"HAkuq.0.Tu.4x8Us"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8091 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Dear Fe., I am trying to understand the coil and magnet configuration in Newman's motor. Suppose the coil is hollow solenoid on the table like a cylinder on end... and we look down into it: Does the magnet turn as a clock with axel perpendicular to the floor ...... or end for end.. with axel paralle to floor? JHS From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Dec 16 22:24:56 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA28263; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 22:24:49 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 22:24:49 -0800 Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 22:24:45 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199812170624.WAA18036@scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: dave dameron Subject: Re: Newman... magnet... Resent-Message-ID: <"QdHOC2.0.Sv6.nEAUs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8092 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 11:47 PM 12/16/98 -0500, you wrote: Dear Fe., > > I am trying to understand the coil and magnet configuration in >Newman's motor. > > Suppose the coil is hollow solenoid on the table like a cylinder on >end... and we look down into it: > > Does the magnet turn as a clock with axel perpendicular to the >floor ...... or end for end.. with axel paralle to floor? > The axis of the magnet would then be horizontal, parallel to the floor. This is why, for example, Jean-Louis' coil has an approx. rectangular bore and is split for the 2 shaft ends to go through. The coil's and magnet's fields can line up or oppose like in a "normal" motor. -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 17 00:05:59 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id AAA23867; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 00:05:55 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 00:05:55 -0800 From: MKSBoysal@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 03:05:08 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: PERMANENT MAGNET MOTOR Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id AAA23849 Resent-Message-ID: <"XAQoN3.0.qq5.ZjBUs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8093 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hey fellows, Please read this stuff, will lift your mind above the mass ignorance of media brain washing and conventional so called scientific "cult" believe system that stacked with stone age of "law of Conservation of Energy." Because fear of losing their monthly pay check. That not knowingly they are loosing their souls by honoring spider net of money and oil changers in the land that that trapped mankind in their nets as fisherman traps the free fish of the oceans, with few yards of filthy fishing net. But let us face it.... Fear is a powerfull force, even for a short time.... You see.... Even Clinton bombed Afghanistan one day before Monica's interview, and one again one day before the Impeachment hearings, he said: (Clinton's statement on military strikes launched against Iraq Wednesday, as transcribed by Federal Document Clearing House: Good evening. Earlier today, I ordered America's armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq) I trust Y2k too will bring out all the worst fears of money changers in the land (suppressed energy invention). Because free spirit of American inventors will wake up from bad dream of comfort zone in to pure creativity off lots of free energy machines. When the power, money, phones, fuell and food will not be available. You can check this site too http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/weird/const.html ************* PERMANENT MAGNET MOTOR ************* Written by Jorma Hyypia for Science & Mecanics Magazine, Spring 1980 edition. "We don't grant patents on perpetual motion machines," said the examiners at the U.S. Patent Office. "It won't work because it violates the law of Conservation of Energy," said one physicist after another. But because, inventor Howard Johnson is not the sort of man to be intimidated by such seemingly authoritative pronouncements, he now owns U.S. Patent No. 4,151,431 which describes how it is possible to generate motive power, as in a motor, using only the energy contained in the atoms of permanent magnets. That's right. Johnson has discovered how to build motors that run without an input of electricity or any other kind of external energy! The monumental nature of the invention is obvious, especially in a world facing an alarming, escalating energy shortage. Yet inventor Johnson is not rushing to peddle his creation as the end-all solution to world- wide energy problems. He has more important work to do. First, there's the need to refine his laboratory prototypes into workable practical devices -in particular a 5,000-watt electric power generator already in the building. His second and perhaps more difficult major challenge: persuade a host of skeptics that his ideas are indeed practical. Johnson, who has been coping with disbelievers for decades, can be very persuasive in a face-to-face encounter because he can not do more than merely theorize; he can demonstrate working models that unquestionably create motion using only permanent magnets. When this writer was urged by the editor of SCIENCE & MECHANICS to make a thousand mile pilgrimage to Blacksburg, Virginia, to meet with the inventor, he went there as an "open-minded skeptic" and as a former research Scientist determined not to be fooled. Within two days, this former skeptic had become a believer. Here's why. Doing the Unthinkable. Howard Johnson refuses to view the "laws" of science as somehow sacred, so doing the unthinkable and succeeding is second nature to him. If a particular law gets in the way, he sees no harm in going around it for a while to see if there's something on the other side. Johnson explains the persistent opposition he experiences from the established scientific community this way: "Physics is a measurement science and physicists are especially determined to protect the ‘Law’ of Conservation of Energy. Thus the physicists become game wardens who tell us what laws' we can't violate. In this case they don't even know what the game is. But they are so scared that I and my associates are going to violate some of these laws, that they have to get to the pass to head us off!" The critics say Johnson offers a "free lunch" solution to energy problems, and that there can be no such thing. Johnson demurs, reminding repeatedly that he has never suggested that his invention provides something for nothing. He also points gut that no one talks about a "free lunch" when discussing extraction of enormous amounts of atomic power by means of nuclear reactors and atom bombs. In his mind, it's much the same thing. Johnson is the first to admit he doesn't actually know where the power be has tapped derives. But he postulates that the energy may be associated with spinning electrons, perhaps in the form of a "presently unnamed atomic particle." How do other physicists react to Johnson's suggestion that there may be an atomic particle so far overlooked by nuclear physicists? Says Johnson: "I guess it’s fair to say that most of them are revolted." On the other hand, a few converted scientists, including some who are associated with large and prestigious research laboratories, are intrigued enough to suggest that there should be a hunt for the answer, be it a "particle" or some other as yet unsuspected characteristic of atomic structure. This article is prefaced with the foregoing brief summary of the ongoing controversy so that, in fairness to the inventor, we might all view his claims with open minds, even if it means temporary setting aside of cherished scientific concepts until more complete explanations are forthcoming. The main question to be answered here and now is this: Does Johnson permanent magnet motor work? Before providing the answer, we need to face up to another question that undoubtedly nags in the minds of many readers: Is Johnson a bona fide researcher, or merely a "garage mechanic" mad inventor? As the following brief summary suggests, the inventor's credentials appear to be impeccable. Following seven years of college and university training, Johnson worked on atomic energy projects at Oak Ridge, did magnetics research for Burroughs company, and served as scientific consultant to Lukens Steel. He has participated in the development of medical electrical products, including injection devices. For the military he invented a ceramic muffler that makes a portable motor generator silent at 50 feet; this has been in production for the past 18 years. His contributions to the motor industry include: a hysteresis brake; non-locking brake materials for anti- skid application, new methods of curing brake linings; and a method of dissolving asbestos fibers. He has also worked on silencers for small motors, a super charger, and has perfected a 92-pole no-brush generator to go in the wheel of Lincoln automobiles as a skid control; that last item reduced the cost to one-eighth of the cost of an earlier design by utilizing metal-filled plastics for the armature and field. In all, Johnson is connected with more than 30 patents in the fields of chemistry and physics. Sticky Tape Scientist. Despite his impressive credentials, this amiable and unpretentious inventor likes to characterize himself as a "Sticky tape" scientist. He sees no virtue in wasting time building fancy, elaborate equipment when more simple assemblies serve as well to test new ideas. The prototype devices shown in the photographs in this article were assembled with sticky tape and aluminum foil, the later material being used mainly to keep individual, permanent magnets packaged together so that they do not fly apart. http://www.newebmasters.com/freeenergy/sm-pg45.html Perhaps the best way to describe what these three gadgets do is by reciting this writer's personal experiences during the interview demonstration. That way I will not merely be telling what the inventor says they do, but I will reveal what happened when I tried the experiments myself. When we start talking about how and why the things work as they do, well have to rely on the inventor’s explanations. The first item consists of more than a dozen foil-wrapped magnets assembled to form a broad arc. Each magnet is extended upward slightly at each end to form a low U-shape, the better to concentrate magnetic fields where they are needed. The overall curvature of the mass of magnets apparently has no particular significance except to show that the distance between these stator magnets and the moving vehicle is not critical. A transparent plastic sheet atop this magnet assembly supports a length of plastic model railroad track. The vehicle, basically a model railroad flatcar, supports a foil-wrapped pair of curved magnets, plus some sort of weight, in some cases merely a rock. The weight is needed to keep the vehicle down on the track, against the powerful magnetic forces that would otherwise push it askew. That 'is all there is to the construction of this representation of a "linear motor." I was prepared to develop eye strain in an effort to detect some sort of motion in the vehicle. I need not have been concerned. The moment the inventor let go of the vehicle be carefully placed at one end of the track, it accelerated and literally zipped from one end to the other and flew onto the floor! Wow! I tried the experiment myself, and could feel the powerful magnetic forces at work as I placed the vehicle on the track. I gently eased the vehicle to the critical starting point, taking great care not to exert any kind of forward push, even inadvertently. I let go, Zip! It was on the floor again, at the other end of the track. Knowing that I would be asked if the track might have had a slant, I reversed the vehicle and started it from the opposite end of the track. It worked just as effectively in the reverse direction. In fact, the vehicle can even navigate a respectable upgrade. In light of these tests, and considering the remarkable speed of the vehicle, you can discount any notion that this was a simple "coasting" effect. Incidentally, the photograph shows the vehicle about half ways along the track. It was "frozen" there by the electronic flash used to make the picture; there is no way of "posing" the vehicle in that position short of tying it down. The second device has the U-shaped magnets standing on end in a rough circular arrangement oddly reminiscent of England's Stonehenge. This assembly is mounted on a transparent plastic sheet supported on a plywood panel pivoted, underneath, on a free turning wheel obtained from a skateboard. As instructed, I eased the 8-ounce focusing magnet into the ring of larger magnets, keeping it at least four inches away from the ring. The 40 pound magnet assembly immediately began to turn and accelerated to a very respectable rotating speed which it maintained for as long as the focusing magnet was held in the magnetic field. When the focusing magnet was reversed, the large assembly turned in the opposite direction. Since this assembly is clearly a crude sort of motor, there's no doubt that it is indeed possible to construct a motor powered solely by permanent magnets. The third assembly, which looks like the bones of some prehistoric sea creature, consists of a tunnel constructed of rubber magnet material that can be easily bent to form rings. This was one of the demonstration models Johnson took to the U.S. Patent Office during his appeal proceedings. Normally the patent examiners spend only a few minutes with each patent applicant, but played with Johnson’s devices for the better part of an hour. As the inventor was leaving, he overheard one sideline observer remark: "How would you like to follow that act?!" It took Johnson about six years of legal hassling to finally obtain his patent, and he has been congratulated for his ultimate victory over patent office bureaucracy as well as for his inventiveness. One sign that he left the patent office more than a little shaken by the experience was the inclusion of diagrammatic material in the printed patent that does not belong there. So if you look up the patent, pay no attention to the "ferrite" graph on the first page; it belongs in some other patent! The tunnel device of course worked very well in the inventor's office during my visit although Johnson observed that the rubber magnets are perhaps a thousand times weaker than the cobalt samarium magnets used the other assemblies. There's just one big problem with the more powerful magnets: they cost too much. According to the inventor, the magnets used to construct the Stonehenge rotating model are collectively worth more than one thousand dollars. But there's no need to depend solely on mass-production economies to bring the cost down to competitive levels. Johnson and U.S. Magnets and Alloy Co. are in the process of developing alternative, relatively low cost magnetic materials that perform very well. How do they work? The drawing that shows a curved "arcuate" armature magnet in three successive positions over a line of fixed stator magnets provides at least highly simplified insights into the theory of permanent magnet motive power generation. Johnson says curved magnets with sharp leading and trailing edges are important because they focus and concentrate the magnetic energy much more effectively than do blunt-end magnets. These arcuate magnets are made slightly longer than the lengths of two stator magnets plus the intervening space, in Johnson's setups about 3+1/8 inches long. Note that the stator magnets all have their North faces upward, and that they are resting on a high magnetic permeability support plate that helps concentrate the force fields. The best gap between the end poles of the armature magnet and the stator magnets appears to be about 3/8 inch. As the armature north pole passes over a magnet, it is repelled by the stator north pole; and there's an attraction when the north pole is passing over a space between the stator magnets. The exact opposite is of course true with respect to the armature South pole. It is attracted when passing over a stator magnet, repelled when passing over a space. The various magnetic forces that come into play are extremely complex, but the drawing shows some of the fundamental relationships. Solid lines represent attraction forces, dashed lines represent repulsion forces, and double lines in each case indicate the more dominant forces. As the top drawing indicates, the leading (N) pole of the armature is repelled by the north poles of the two adjacent magnets. But, at the indicated position of the armature magnet, these two repulsive forces .(which obviously work against each other), are not identical; the stronger of the two forces (double dashed line) overpowers the other force and tends to move the armature to the left. This left movement is enhanced by the attraction force between the armature north pole and the stator south pole at the bottom of the space between the stator magnets. But that's not all! Let's see what is happening simultaneously at the other end (S) of the armature magnet. The length of this magnet (about 3+1/8 inches) is chosen, in relation to the pairs of stator in magnets plus the space between them, so that once again the attraction/repulsion forces work to move the armature magnet to the left. In this case the armature pole (S) is attracted by the north surfaces of the adjacent stator magnets but, because of the critical armature dimensioning, more strongly by the magnet (double solid line) that tends to "pull" the armature to the left. It overpowers the lesser "drag" effect of the stator magnet to the right. Here also there is the added advantage of, in this case, repulsion force between the south pole of the armature and the south pole in the space between the stator magnets. The importance of correct dimensioning of the armature magnet cannot be over-emphasized. If it is either too long or too short, it could achieve an undesirable equilibrium condition that would stall movement. The objective is to optimize all force conditions to develop the greatest possible off-balance condition, but always' in the same direction as the armature magnet moves along the row of stator magnets. However, if the armature is rotated 180 degrees and started at the opposite end of the track, it would behave in exactly the same manner except that it would, in this example, move from left to right. Also note that once the armature is in motion, it has momentum that helps carry it into the sphere of influence of the next pair of magnets where it gets another push and pull, and additional momentum. Complex Forces. Some very complex magnetic forces are obviously at play in this deceptively simple magnetic system, and at this time it is impossible to develop a mathematical model of what actually occurs. However, computer analysis of the system, conducted by Professor William Harrison and his associates at Virginia Polytechnic Institute (Blacksburg, Va.), provide vital feedback information that greatly helps in the effort to optimize these complex forces to achieve the most efficient possible operating design. As Professor Harrison points out, in addition to the obvious interaction between the two poles of the armature magnet and the stator magnets, many other interactions are in play. The stator magnets affect each other and the support plate. Magnet distances and their strengths vary despite best efforts of manufacturers to exercise quality controls. In the assembly of the working model, there are inevitable differences between horizontal and vertical air spaces. All these interrelated factors must be optimized, which is why computer analysis in this refinement stage is vital. It's a kind of information feedback system. As changes are made in the physical design, fast dynamic measurements are made to see whether the expected results have actually been achieved. The 'new computer data is then used to develop new changes in the design of the experimental model. And so on, and on. That very different magnetic conditions exist at the two ends of the armature is shown by the actual experimental data displayed in the table and associated graph. To obtain this information, the researchers first passed the probe of an instrument used to measure magnetic field strengths over the stator magnets and the intervening spaces. We shall call this the "Zero" level although there is a very tiny gap between the probe and the tops of the stator magnets. These measurements in effect indicate what each pole of the armature magnet "sees" below as it passes over. the stator magnets. Next the probe is moved to a position just beneath one of the armature poles, at the top of the 3/8-inch armature-to-stator air gap. Another set of magnetic flux measurements is made. The procedure is repeated with the probe positioned just beneath the other armature pole. Now "Instinct" might suggest, and correctly so, that the flux measurements at the top and bottom of the air gap will differ. But if "instinct" also suggests that these differences are pretty much the same at the two armature pole positions, you would be very much in error! First study the two tables that show actual flux density measurements. Note that in this particular experiment the total magnetic flux amounted to 30,700 Gauss (the unit of magnetic strength) when the probe was held at the "Zero" level under the north pole of the magnet, and a total of 28,700 Gauss when the probe was moved to the top of the 3/8-inch air gap. The difference between these total 'measurements is 2,000 Gauss. Similar readings made at the air gap between the south pole of the armature and the stator magnets indicates a total flux at "Zero" level of 33,725 Gauss, and 24,700 Gauss at the top of the air gap. This time the difference is a much larger 9,025 Gauss, or four and one half times greater than for the north pole! Clearly, the magnetic force conditions are far from identical at the two ends of the armature magnet. The middle five pairs of figures from each table hive been plotted in graphic form to make these differences more obvious. In the top "South Pole" graph the dashed line connects, the "Zero" level readings made over the stator magnets and over the intervening air spaces. Points along the solid line indicate comparable readings made with the probe just beneath the armature south pole. It is easy to see that there is an average 43 percent reduction of the attraction between the armature and stator magnets created by the air gap. Equally true, but perhaps not so obvious, is the fact that there is an average 36 percent increase of repulsion when the south pole of the armature passes over the spaces between the stator magnets. The percentage increase only seems smaller because it applies to a much smaller "Zero" level value. The second graph shows that the changes are much less dramatic at the north pole of the armature. In this case there's an average 11.7-percent decrease of attraction over the spaces, and a 2.4 percent increase, of repulsion when the armature north pole passes over the stator magnets. As you study the data, be sure to note that the columns are labeled differently. In the case of the north pole data, the stator magnet areas repulse the armature north pole while the spaces between the stator magnets attract. The conditions are exactly the opposite for the south pole of the armature magnet. When the south pole passes over a magnet, there is strong attraction; when it passes over a space, there is repulsion. The Ultimate Motor. A motor based on Johnson's findings would be of extremely simple design compared to conventional motors. As shown in the diagrams developed from Johnson’s patent literature, the stator/base unit would contain a ring of spaced magnets backed by a high magnetic permeability sleeve. Three arcuate armature magnets would be mounted in the armature which has a belt groove for power transmission. The armature is supported on ball bearings on a shaft that either screws or slides into the stator unit. Speed control and start/stop action would be achieved by the simple means of moving the armature toward and away from the stator section. There is a noticeable pulsing action in the simple prototype units that may be undesirable in a practical motor. The movement can be smoothed, the inventor believes, by simply using two or more staggered armature magnets as shown in another drawing. What’s Ahead? For inventor Howard Johnson and his permanent magnet power source there's bound to be plenty of controversy, certainly, but also progress. A 5000 watt electric generator powered by a permanent magnet motor is already on the way, and Johnson has firm licensing agreements with at least four companies at this writing. Will we see permanent magnet motors in automobiles in the near future? Johnson wants nothing to do with Detroit at this time because, as he puts it: "It’s too emotional - we’d get smashed into the earth!" The inventor is equally reluctant to make predictions about other applications as well, mainly because he just wants time to perfect his ideas and, hopefully, get the scientific establishment to at least consider his unorthodox ideas with a more open mind. For example, Johnson argues that the magnetic forces in a permanent magnet represent superconductance that is akin to phenomena normally associated only with extremely cold superconducting systems. He argues that a magnet is a room temperature superconducting system because the electron flow does not cease, and because this electron flow can be made to do work. And for those who pooh- pooh the idea that permanent magnets do work, Johnson has an answer: "You come along with a magnet and pick up a piece of iron, then some physicist says you didn't do any work because you used that magnet. But you moved a mass through a distance. Right? That's work that requires energy. Or you can hold one magnet in the air indefinitely by positioning it over another magnet with like poles facing. The physicist will argue that because it involves magnetic repulsion, no work is done. Yet if you support the same object with air, they will agree in a minute that work is done!" There's no doubt in Johnson's mind that he has succeeded in extracting usable energy from the atoms of permanent magnets. But does that imply that the electron spins and associated phenomena that he thinks provide this power will eventually be used up? Johnson makes no pretense of knowing the answer: I didn't start the electron spins, and I don't know an way to stop them - do you? They may eventually stop, but that is not my problem." Johnson still has many practical problems to solve to perfect his invention. But his greater challenge may be to win general acceptance of his ideas by an obviously nervous scientific community in which many physicists remain compulsive about defending the law of Conservation of Energy without ever wondering whether that "law" really needs defending. The dilemma facing Johnson is not really his dilemma but rather that of other scientists who have observed his prototypes. The devices obviously do work. But the textbooks say it shouldn’t work. And all that Johnson is really saying to the scientific community is this: here is a phenomenon which seems to contradict some of our traditional beliefs. For all our sakes let’s not dismiss it outright but take the time to understand the complex forces at work here. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 17 01:21:44 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id BAA07893; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 01:21:40 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 01:21:40 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 04:31:27 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: Re: Newman... magnet... Resent-Message-ID: <"VVgnD.0.7x1.ZqCUs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8094 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com > Dear Fe., > > I am trying to understand the coil and magnet configuration in >Newman's motor. > > Suppose the coil is hollow solenoid on the table like a cylinder on >end... and we look down into it: > > Does the magnet turn as a clock with axel perpendicular to the >floor ...... or end for end.. with axel paralle to floor? > > JHS It has been constructed both ways. It has also been constructed with the magnet rotor inside and outside the coil. The most recent design has the coil as a cylinder (loose analogy) "lying on its side" parallel to the floor, with the shaft of the magnet rotor extending through the length of such a coil, and with the magnets attached to the shaft, rotating. Evan From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 17 05:52:37 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id FAA02659; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 05:52:26 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 05:52:26 -0800 Message-ID: <36790FFF.497835E2@harti.com> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:06:55 +0100 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: harti@harti.com Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Newman-L Mailing List , BEN WILLIAM ANDERSON 7657519 , freenrg-l , Evan Soule , Jean Louis Naudin Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Newman=B4s?= own book shows mechanical NOT OU! References: <199812171313.Yz58@memo.volvo.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"3ckEB2.0.Sf.QoGUs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8095 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Ben, I agree. That the Newman motor would run on about 132 Volts DC was completely clear to me and is logical correct. The big question still is: How efficient is it ? If Newman does not show any valid mechanical output versus electrical input test via a prony brake or a connected generator on the shaft, then this demo is worthless. Maybe it is not overunity and that is why he does not show these measurements... Maybe it is just 90 % efficient in mechanical out versus electrical in. If he has no circuit to back-use the RF, he wastes a lot of RF energy. It really depends on the design. Maybe his new design is still wrong or not optimal for a motor. Here is an exerpt, that Newman´s first motor, running at 150 Volts DC, was NOT OU in mechanical out: See his book: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman, page 44, third Edition, first issue: "There a known weight was used to apply a force as a torque arm of a radius R. The mechanical output was: 0.38 Watts." The electrical input in this test was: 0.93 Joules / 0.37 seconds =2.51 Watts The also available back spike energy was probably a scope artifact and just a RF burst which saturated the scope input. Although I heard of some figures, that at higher input voltages at some university test the mechanical output power should be 700 % over the electrical input power.. But I have not yet seen any proper measurement setup of this.. Hmm, the best would be, if Newman really shows a load connected to the shaft and running a prony brake test... Regards, Stefan. > Dear All > > A lot of fuzz about batteries and far-fetched conclusions > derived from theoretical deductions based on comparing > dim Newman motor facts with virtual mock-ups. > > No, no - this won't do. > > As Stefan Hartmann, and others, correctly points out real > facts and figures are what the world is awaiting. > Maybe the new Newman machine is a piece of miracle, maybe > it is not. > With so much arduous labour put into the design and > construction of the Newman-machine itself, why is it so > difficult to take that additional little step to present > it in a professional style? No disrespect, but if Newman > really wants to be taken seriously he should play the game > by the rules. > > BTW, about batteries: Simple comparisons like "a bunch of > serial batteries powering a high voltage motor equals a > bunch of parallel batteries powering a high current motor" > is plain ridiculous, regardless of "discharge levels" and > whatever. A battery has an internal resistance (we all know > that - yes?). A battery does not contain a large amount of > stored electrons "waiting to be used" (i.e. it is not the > same thing as a capacitor). On the contrary, the number of > "free" electrons are quite small. When these free electrons > are drained from the battery, new ones are "manufactured" > by a chemical process inside the battery. The chemical > process does not work in a linear ratio to the current drain, > and thus the internal resistance of the battery varies with > the current drain. The chemical process *is* the major part > of the internal resistance. If one and the same battery is > used in a configuration to power a high voltage low current > motor it acts and appears to be more efficient than if it is > used in a configuration to power a low voltage high current > motor. (Consequences that follows are quite clear. Anyone > disagree? Questions?) > > /Ben W Anderson -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 17 09:44:27 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA25280; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 09:44:09 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 09:44:09 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 12:53:56 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: Batteries Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id JAA25244 Resent-Message-ID: <"843XJ3.0.kA6.dBKUs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8096 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com BEN WILLIAM ANDERSON writes: >--- Inkommet från VCC3.WILLIAM 031-7657519 98-12-17 14:13 > > -> newman-l(a)emachine.com > > To the Newman-list. > > Dear All > > A lot of fuzz about batteries and far-fetched conclusions > derived from theoretical deductions based on comparing > dim Newman motor facts with virtual mock-ups. Actually, the "virtual mock-ups" are REAL. The deductions are based upon REAL observations. > > BTW, about batteries: Simple comparisons like "a bunch of > serial batteries powering a high voltage motor equals a > bunch of parallel batteries powering a high current motor" > is plain ridiculous, regardless of "discharge levels" and > whatever. Where is you sourcing for your statement about "parallel batteries powering a high current motor"? The batteries are IN SERIES in BOTH cases. Evan Soule From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 17 10:41:12 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA13494; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:40:58 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:40:58 -0800 Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:32:57 -0500 (EST) From: John Schnurer To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Newman... magnet... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"mEbwi2.0.lI3.w0LUs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8097 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Which way do the manets on the rotor point? Give us an accurate word picture, please. On Thu, 17 Dec 1998, Evan Soule wrote: > > Dear Fe., > > > > I am trying to understand the coil and magnet configuration in > >Newman's motor. > > > > Suppose the coil is hollow solenoid on the table like a cylinder on > >end... and we look down into it: > > > > Does the magnet turn as a clock with axel perpendicular to the > >floor ...... or end for end.. with axel paralle to floor? > > > > JHS > > > It has been constructed both ways. It has also been constructed with the > magnet rotor inside and outside the coil. The most recent design has the > coil as a cylinder (loose analogy) "lying on its side" parallel to the > floor, ------------------------ Elucidate, please. with the shaft of the magnet rotor extending through the length of > such a coil, and with the magnets attached to the shaft, rotating. > > Evan > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 17 11:29:17 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA00377; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 11:29:07 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 11:29:07 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 14:38:58 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: Re: Newman... magnet... Resent-Message-ID: <"lqc0A2.0.j5.3kLUs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8098 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com > > Which way do the manets on the rotor point? Give us an accurate >word picture, please. > >On Thu, 17 Dec 1998, Evan Soule wrote: > >> > Dear Fe., >> > >> > I am trying to understand the coil and magnet configuration in >> >Newman's motor. >> > >> > Suppose the coil is hollow solenoid on the table like a cylinder on >> >end... and we look down into it: >> > >> > Does the magnet turn as a clock with axel perpendicular to the >> >floor ...... or end for end.. with axel paralle to floor? >> > >> > JHS >> >> >> It has been constructed both ways. It has also been constructed with the >> magnet rotor inside and outside the coil. The most recent design has the >> coil as a cylinder (loose analogy) "lying on its side" parallel to the >> floor, >------------------------ > > Elucidate, please. > > with the shaft of the magnet rotor extending through the length of >> such a coil, and with the magnets attached to the shaft, rotating. >> >> Evan >> >> >> Dear John, If you want to send me a SASE to P.O. Box 57684, New Orleans, LA 70157, I'll send you a drawing. Regards, Evan From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 17 11:38:02 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA02970; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 11:38:00 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 11:38:00 -0800 Message-ID: <002d01be29f4$b6315d00$62fe07d0@r.davis> Reply-To: "R. A. Davis" From: "R. A. Davis" To: "Free Energy" Subject: Re: Newman Flap (do I smell egos... or politics?) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 14:37:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002A_01BE29CA.CC2EBBE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"b6f3s2.0.Jk.OsLUs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8099 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01BE29CA.CC2EBBE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I would think the conditions for testing a possibly OU device would be = pretty simple. =20 You could have two separate banks of rechargeable batteries and a = generator driven by the device. You measure the charge of each bank = before you start. You use one bank of batteries to drive your device, = and once it's going you switch to the second bank and have your = generator recharge the first bank. And so on, alternating battery banks = as drivers and charge recipients. =20 If your machine keeps running and recharging both banks, you next run a = load off one bank--a light bulb would do. If the bulb stays lit afer a = certain interval, and the battery banks retain their charge, then you = have a device that outputs more power than is required to run it. Or use some analogous but equally simple system. =20 The parameters of any demonstration of an alleged OU device should be = obvious, and unequivocal. You simply demonstrate that the device can = replenish its own power supply and do work. If a demonstration fails to = provide these simple parameters, then it is either not about an OU = device, or the conditions of the demonstration are not being reported = accurately Unfortunately, this raises the spectre of MIB hanging out in Arizona. = Another crackpot perpetual motion device has been presented in a way = that doesn't satisfy the fairly obvious criteria, or another genuine = article has been coopted by the Establishment and immediately disguised = as a hoax. If I had gone there as a believer, and seen the demo, I'd probably want = to go out into the desert and drop acid. ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01BE29CA.CC2EBBE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I would think the conditions for = testing a=20 possibly OU device would be pretty simple. 
You could  have two separate = banks of=20 rechargeable batteries and a generator driven by the device.  You = measure=20 the charge of each bank before you start.  You use one bank of = batteries to=20 drive your device, and once it's going you switch to the second bank and = have=20 your generator recharge the first bank.  And so on, alternating = battery=20 banks as drivers and charge recipients. 
If your machine keeps running and = recharging=20 both banks, you next run a load off one bank--a light bulb would = do.  If=20 the bulb stays lit afer a certain interval, and the battery banks retain = their=20 charge, then you have a device that outputs more power than is required = to run=20 it.
Or use some analogous but equally = simple=20 system. 
The parameters of any demonstration = of an=20 alleged OU device should be obvious, and unequivocal.   You = simply=20 demonstrate that the device can replenish its own power supply = and do=20 work. If a demonstration fails to provide these simple parameters, then = it is=20 either not about an OU device, or the conditions of the demonstration = are not=20 being reported accurately
Unfortunately, this raises the = spectre of MIB=20 hanging out in Arizona.  Another crackpot perpetual motion device = has been=20 presented in a way that doesn't satisfy the fairly obvious criteria, or = another=20 genuine article has been coopted by the Establishment and immediately = disguised=20 as a hoax.
If I had gone there as a believer, = and seen the=20 demo, I'd probably want to go out into the desert and drop=20 acid.
------=_NextPart_000_002A_01BE29CA.CC2EBBE0-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 17 11:49:27 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA08217; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 11:49:23 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 11:49:23 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 12:53:33 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: Re: Let's Talk Hypotheticals. Resent-Message-ID: <"1k6mq1.0.I02.31MUs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8100 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >Hi Evan and all, >At 04:52 PM 12/16/98 -0600, you wrote: >>Let's Talk Hypotheticals. >> >>Let's take two motors -- Motor A and Motor B: >> >>Motor A weighs 14 lbs (including a 4 lb rotor). >> >>Motor B weighs 350 lbs (including a 140 lb rotor). >> >>Take the case of Motor A: >> >>Motor A: >>________ >> >>Let's say we have twenty-two 6-volt, dry cell batteries and were are >>interested in knowing if these batteries are sufficiently charged to >>operate motors. >> >>Let's take any two (of the above twenty-two) 6-volt dry cell batteries and >>connect them in series to Motor A. >> >>Let's say that Motor A's rotor fails to turn. It just "sits there". >> >>To additionally determine the voltage of the first two 6-volt, dry cell >>batteries, we then connect them to a voltmeter which shows that battery >>voltage is only .45 volts --- less than 1/2 of one volt. > >Is this voltage open circuit, or under load to motor A? The battery voltage of the two batteries in series under no load reads 10 Volts and instantly falls to .45 or less volts when it is hooked to Motor A. >> >---- >>Take the case of Motor B: >> >>Motor B: >>________ >> >>As stated above, Motor B weighs 350 lbs (including a 140 lb rotor). >> >>Let's further state that it has been demonstrated to require 35 lbs of >>force to rotate the 140-lb rotor shaft of Motor B. > >To overcome starting friction, or to continue to run? Where is the 35 lbs >applied? To overcome starting friction. > >> >>Let's then say that we take these twenty-two DEAD batteries (the ones >>described and so determined in the above test) and connect them IN SERIES >>to Motor B. >> >>What happens? >> >>Motor B immediately (within several seconds) begins rotating at 130 rpms. > >> >>Conclusion: >> >>Could one say -- hypothetically -- that Motor B has characteristics >>different from Motor A? > >Yes, also in practice, not just hypothetically. > >Could one say -- hypothetically that Motor B seems >>to be more efficient than Motor A? > >No, it might be, but the test in inconclusive. Would motor A run if the the >22 batteries are grouped as 11 pairs, all in parallel? The description is >that it is a 12 volt motor. And maybe at less current from each battery, the >voltage would be > 0.45 volts each. >I assume the voltage from the batteries in series at motor B is more than >22*0.45 = 9.9 volts? snip---- >-Dave No. The voltage from the batteries in series at Motor B is 9.9 volts. Dave, in my Hypothetical description, Motor A *DID* OPERATE on two NEW batteries of the identical size, voltage, type, and manufacturer. This shows that Motor A COULD operate on such new batteries (12 volts total), but that it COULD NOT operate on those same type of batteries if they were drained. Therefore, we then take those DRAINED batteries and connect them in series to Motor B which has a rotor that is FOURTEEN TIMES heavier than the rotor of Motor A and which requires 35 pounds of force to rotate the 140-lb shaft of Motor B. Regards, Evan From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 17 11:50:31 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA08955; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 11:50:25 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 11:50:25 -0800 Message-ID: <367963C0.79F5A416@harti.com> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 21:04:16 +0100 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: harti@harti.com Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Evan Soule Subject: Re: Newman scope artifact question References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"hxqJN.0.mB2._1MUs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8101 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Evan Soule wrote: > > Stefan, you wrote: > > The electrical input in this test was: > > 0.93 Joules / 0.37 seconds > =2.51 Watts > > It is stated on page 43 that: > > Average input power = > > 0.93 joules - 3.6 joules > > divided by > > 0.37 seconds/cycle > > = MINUS 7.216 watts (Negative) > > Where are you coming up with your 2.51 watt figure? > > Regards, > > Evan Hi Evan, yes, but the -3.6 Joule is only measured via the scope as the back spike. As the normal DC amperemeter does not show a negative input current, this back spike is just a scope artifact due to the high RF burst. It is indeed a positive current which has a big DC component, but mainly consists of RF bursts. At least in my units. As the normal DC amperemeter never shows CONSTANT negative input current THIS MUST BE A SCOPE ARTIFACT. There is no other valid explanation. Also when I switched my scope to another one, I had no negative current spikes or much less of them and just only RF. So the conclusion: = MINUS 7.216 watts (Negative) IS JUST WRONG. It is true, that there is flowing a big RF current, which also heats the incandescent bulbs in series with the coils and heated the shunt resistors in Dr. Hasting´s water heater tests, but it seems, that it is no NEGATIVE DIRECT CURRENT, otherwise the input DC amperemeter would show all the time negative values, cause its integrates the current pulses over time. Sorry, it seems all 30 scientists have been fooled by this scope artifact. (Including myself, before studying it some further) I also realized, that when the coil has a bigger capacitance, then the input current spikes gets bigger and can easier light bulbs in series with the coil. But this is probably also due to the higher charging current of the capacitance. I tested this, which putting a 10 uF/600 Volts capacitor parallel to my coil and then the arcing at the commutator was very heavy, due to the charge current spikes reversed each after 180 rotation. In my case this also increased the input current a lot. Maybe this is different, when the coil itsself has a higher capacitance. So far for my latest measurements. I guess, only a good mechanical output versus electrical input can say for a given commutator setup, how much useable efficiency the system has. It is all very complicated and you have to be very carefully, how you setup all components, especially the commutator timming and angle setup. I almost get very different results all the time, if I change anthing slightly.. It is all very difficult to optimize, also because the meachanical contacts (spark gaps) at the commutator seem to play a major role. (At least in RF burst energy and thus acceleration help of the rotor...) Regards, Stefan. -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 17 11:52:45 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA09916; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 11:52:42 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 11:52:42 -0800 Message-ID: <36796475.EE917F4E@harti.com> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 21:07:17 +0100 From: Stefan Hartmann Reply-To: harti@harti.com Organization: Hartmann Multimedia Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, John Schnurer Subject: Re: Newman... magnet... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"wFuNS1.0.mQ2.94MUs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8102 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com John Schnurer wrote: > > > Which way do the manets on the rotor point? Give us an accurate > word picture, please. It is a normal bar rod magnet, just north-south having in the middle its axis shaft, so when it is not rotating, the north looks up out of the coil and the side to the floor shows the south pole. After 180 degrees rotation, this view has reversed. Is it now clearer ? Regards, Stefan. > > On Thu, 17 Dec 1998, Evan Soule wrote: > > > > Dear Fe., > > > > > > I am trying to understand the coil and magnet configuration in > > >Newman's motor. > > > > > > Suppose the coil is hollow solenoid on the table like a cylinder on > > >end... and we look down into it: > > > > > > Does the magnet turn as a clock with axel perpendicular to the > > >floor ...... or end for end.. with axel paralle to floor? > > > > > > JHS > > > > > > It has been constructed both ways. It has also been constructed with the > > magnet rotor inside and outside the coil. The most recent design has the > > coil as a cylinder (loose analogy) "lying on its side" parallel to the > > floor, > ------------------------ > > Elucidate, please. > > with the shaft of the magnet rotor extending through the length of > > such a coil, and with the magnets attached to the shaft, rotating. > > > > Evan > > > > > > -- Hartmann Multimedia Service, Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany Tel: ++ 49 30-345 00 497 FAX: ++ 49 30-345 00 498 email: harti@harti.com Web site: http://www.harti.com http://ccard.net fuer Ihren Verkauf im WEB ! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 17 17:16:50 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA01899; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 17:16:43 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 17:16:43 -0800 Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 17:16:35 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199812180116.RAA17981@snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: dave dameron Subject: Re: Let's Talk Hypotheticals. Resent-Message-ID: <"cKA0N3.0.YT.vpQUs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8103 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Evan and all, At 12:53 PM 12/17/98 -0600, you wrote: >>>Let's take two motors -- Motor A and Motor B: >>> >>>Motor A weighs 14 lbs (including a 4 lb rotor). >>> >>>Motor B weighs 350 lbs (including a 140 lb rotor). >>>To additionally determine the voltage of the first two 6-volt, dry cell >>>batteries, we then connect them to a voltmeter which shows that battery >>>voltage is only .45 volts --- less than 1/2 of one volt. >> >>Is this voltage open circuit, or under load to motor A? > >The battery voltage of the two batteries in series under no load reads 10 >Volts and instantly falls to .45 or less volts when it is hooked to Motor >A. >>>Conclusion: >>> >>>Could one say -- hypothetically -- that Motor B has characteristics >>>different from Motor A? >> >>Yes, also in practice, not just hypothetically. >> >>Could one say -- hypothetically that Motor B seems >>>to be more efficient than Motor A? >> >>No, it might be, but the test in inconclusive. Would motor A run if the the >>22 batteries are grouped as 11 pairs, all in parallel? The description is >>that it is a 12 volt motor. And maybe at less current from each battery, the >>voltage would be > 0.45 volts each. >>I assume the voltage from the batteries in series at motor B is more than >>22*0.45 = 9.9 volts? >snip---- >>-Dave > >No. The voltage from the batteries in series at Motor B is 9.9 volts. > >Dave, in my Hypothetical description, Motor A *DID* OPERATE on two NEW >batteries of the identical size, voltage, type, and manufacturer. This >shows that Motor A COULD operate on such new batteries (12 volts total), >but that it COULD NOT operate on those same type of batteries if they were >drained. > >Therefore, we then take those DRAINED batteries and connect them in series >to Motor B which has a rotor that is FOURTEEN TIMES heavier than the rotor >of Motor A and which requires 35 pounds of force to rotate the 140-lb shaft >of Motor B. > >Regards, > >Evan > Thanks. I quess I may not understand all the electrical behavior. If each battery has 0.45 volts at its loaded terminals and if a weak battery apprears to be a 5 volt source in series with an (high) internal resistance, then the motor B is drawing the same current through the 22 batteries as motor A does with 2 batteries. (11X the power) I would not have guessed this. If Motor B can run off of 9.9 volts, can it run better with 12 volts = 2 fresh 6 volt batteries in series as would run motor A? It does seem remarkable that the batteries can produce ??*35 lbs foot-pounds of torque for motor B. Can you say the current or power? -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 17 17:59:09 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA14649; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 17:58:58 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 17:58:58 -0800 Message-ID: <3679B821.399F@lcia.com> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 21:04:17 -0500 From: B25B@LCIA.COM (RON BRENNEN) Reply-To: b25b@LCIA.COM X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: PERMANENT MAGNET MOTOR References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"bswd7.0.ka3.YRRUs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8104 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com MKSBoysal@aol.com wrote: > > Hey fellows, > Please read this stuff, will lift your mind above the mass ignorance of media > brain washing and > conventional so called scientific "cult" believe system that stacked with > stone age of "law of Conservation of Energy." Because fear of losing their > monthly pay check. > > That not knowingly they are loosing their souls by honoring spider net of > money and > oil changers in the land that that trapped mankind in their nets as fisherman > traps the > free fish of the oceans, with few yards of filthy fishing net. > > But let us face it.... Fear is a powerfull force, even for a short time.... > You see.... > Even Clinton bombed Afghanistan one day before Monica's interview, and one > again one day before the Impeachment hearings, he said: (Clinton's statement > on military strikes launched against Iraq Wednesday, as transcribed by Federal > Document Clearing House: > Good evening. Earlier today, I ordered America's armed forces to strike > military and security targets in Iraq) > > I trust Y2k too will bring out all the worst fears of money changers in the > land (suppressed energy invention). Because free spirit of American inventors > will wake up > from bad dream of comfort zone in to pure creativity off lots of free energy > machines. > > When the power, money, phones, fuell and food will not be available. > > You can check this site too > > http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/weird/const.html > > ************* PERMANENT MAGNET MOTOR ************* > Written by Jorma Hyypia for Science & Mecanics Magazine, Spring 1980 edition. > > "We don't grant patents on perpetual motion machines," said the > examiners at the U.S. Patent Office. "It won't work because it violates the > law of Conservation of Energy," said one physicist after another. But > because, inventor Howard Johnson is not the sort of man to be intimidated by > such seemingly authoritative pronouncements, he now owns U.S. Patent No. > 4,151,431 which describes how it is possible to generate motive power, as in > a motor, using only the energy contained in the atoms of permanent magnets. > That's right. Johnson has discovered how to build motors that run without an > input of electricity or any other kind of external energy! > The monumental nature of the invention is obvious, especially in a world > facing an alarming, escalating energy shortage. Yet inventor Johnson is not > rushing to peddle his creation as the end-all solution to world- wide energy > problems. He has more important work to do. First, there's the need to > refine his laboratory prototypes into workable practical devices -in > particular a 5,000-watt electric power generator already in the building. > His second and perhaps more difficult major challenge: persuade a host of > skeptics that his ideas are indeed practical. > Johnson, who has been coping with disbelievers for decades, can be very > persuasive in a face-to-face encounter because he can not do more than > merely theorize; he can demonstrate working models that unquestionably > create motion using only permanent magnets. When this writer was urged by > the editor of SCIENCE & MECHANICS to make a thousand mile pilgrimage to > Blacksburg, Virginia, to meet with the inventor, he went there as an > "open-minded skeptic" and as a former research Scientist determined not to > be fooled. Within two days, this former skeptic had become a believer. > Here's why. > > Doing the Unthinkable. Howard Johnson refuses to view the "laws" of > science as somehow sacred, so doing the unthinkable and succeeding is second > nature to him. If a particular law gets in the way, he sees no harm in going > around it for a while to see if there's something on the other side. Johnson > explains the persistent opposition he experiences from the established > scientific community this way: "Physics is a measurement science and > physicists are especially determined to protect the ‘Law’ of Conservation of > Energy. Thus the physicists become game wardens who tell us what laws' we > can't violate. In this case they don't even know what the game is. But they > are so scared that I and my associates are going to violate some of these > laws, that they have to get to the pass to head us off!" > The critics say Johnson offers a "free lunch" solution to energy > problems, and that there can be no such thing. Johnson demurs, reminding > repeatedly that he has never suggested that his invention provides something > for nothing. He also points gut that no one talks about a "free lunch" when > discussing extraction of enormous amounts of atomic power by means of > nuclear reactors and atom bombs. In his mind, it's much the same thing. > Johnson is the first to admit he doesn't actually know where the power > be has tapped derives. But he postulates that the energy may be associated > with spinning electrons, perhaps in the form of a "presently unnamed atomic > particle." How do other physicists react to Johnson's suggestion that there > may be an atomic particle so far overlooked by nuclear physicists? Says > Johnson: "I guess it’s fair to say that most of them are revolted." On the > other hand, a few converted scientists, including some who are associated > with large and prestigious research laboratories, are intrigued enough to > suggest that there should be a hunt for the answer, be it a "particle" or > some other as yet unsuspected characteristic of atomic structure. > This article is prefaced with the foregoing brief summary of the ongoing > controversy so that, in fairness to the inventor, we might all view his > claims with open minds, even if it means temporary setting aside of > cherished scientific concepts until more complete explanations are > forthcoming. The main question to be answered here and now is this: Does > Johnson permanent magnet motor work? > Before providing the answer, we need to face up to another question that > undoubtedly nags in the minds of many readers: Is Johnson a bona fide > researcher, or merely a "garage mechanic" mad inventor? As the following > brief summary suggests, the inventor's credentials appear to be impeccable. > Following seven years of college and university training, Johnson worked on > atomic energy projects at Oak Ridge, did magnetics research for Burroughs > company, and served as scientific consultant to Lukens Steel. He has > participated in the development of medical electrical products, including > injection devices. For the military he invented a ceramic muffler that makes > a portable motor generator silent at 50 feet; this has been in production > for the past 18 years. His contributions to the motor industry include: a > hysteresis brake; non-locking brake materials for anti- skid application, > new methods of curing brake linings; and a method of dissolving asbestos > fibers. He has also worked on silencers for small motors, a super charger, > and has perfected a 92-pole no-brush generator to go in the wheel of Lincoln > automobiles as a skid control; that last item reduced the cost to one-eighth > of the cost of an earlier design by utilizing metal-filled plastics for the > armature and field. In all, Johnson is connected with more than 30 patents > in the fields of chemistry and physics. > > Sticky Tape Scientist. Despite his impressive credentials, this amiable > and unpretentious inventor likes to characterize himself as a "Sticky tape" > scientist. He sees no virtue in wasting time building fancy, elaborate > equipment when more simple assemblies serve as well to test new ideas. The > prototype devices shown in the photographs in this article were assembled > with sticky tape and aluminum foil, the later material being used mainly to > keep individual, permanent magnets packaged together so that they do not fly > apart. > http://www.newebmasters.com/freeenergy/sm-pg45.html > Perhaps the best way to describe what these three gadgets do is by > reciting this writer's personal experiences during the interview > demonstration. That way I will not merely be telling what the inventor says > they do, but I will reveal what happened when I tried the experiments > myself. When we start talking about how and why the things work as they do, > well have to rely on the inventor’s explanations. > The first item consists of more than a dozen foil-wrapped magnets > assembled to form a broad arc. Each magnet is extended upward slightly at > each end to form a low U-shape, the better to concentrate magnetic fields > where they are needed. The overall curvature of the mass of magnets > apparently has no particular significance except to show that the distance > between these stator magnets and the moving vehicle is not critical. A > transparent plastic sheet atop this magnet assembly supports a length of > plastic model railroad track. The vehicle, basically a model railroad > flatcar, supports a foil-wrapped pair of curved magnets, plus some sort of > weight, in some cases merely a rock. The weight is needed to keep the > vehicle down on the track, against the powerful magnetic forces that would > otherwise push it askew. That 'is all there is to the construction of this > representation of a "linear motor." > I was prepared to develop eye strain in an effort to detect some sort of > motion in the vehicle. I need not have been concerned. The moment the > inventor let go of the vehicle be carefully placed at one end of the track, > it accelerated and literally zipped from one end to the other and flew onto > the floor! Wow! > I tried the experiment myself, and could feel the powerful magnetic > forces at work as I placed the vehicle on the track. I gently eased the > vehicle to the critical starting point, taking great care not to exert any > kind of forward push, even inadvertently. I let go, Zip! It was on the floor > again, at the other end of the track. Knowing that I would be asked if the > track might have had a slant, I reversed the vehicle and started it from the > opposite end of the track. It worked just as effectively in the reverse > direction. In fact, the vehicle can even navigate a respectable upgrade. In > light of these tests, and considering the remarkable speed of the vehicle, > you can discount any notion that this was a simple "coasting" effect. > Incidentally, the photograph shows the vehicle about half ways along the > track. It was "frozen" there by the electronic flash used to make the > picture; there is no way of "posing" the vehicle in that position short of > tying it down. > The second device has the U-shaped magnets standing on end in a rough > circular arrangement oddly reminiscent of England's Stonehenge. This > assembly is mounted on a transparent plastic sheet supported on a plywood > panel pivoted, underneath, on a free turning wheel obtained from a > skateboard. As instructed, I eased the 8-ounce focusing magnet into the ring > of larger magnets, keeping it at least four inches away from the ring. The > 40 pound magnet assembly immediately began to turn and accelerated to a very > respectable rotating speed which it maintained for as long as the focusing > magnet was held in the magnetic field. When the focusing magnet was > reversed, the large assembly turned in the opposite direction. > Since this assembly is clearly a crude sort of motor, there's no doubt > that it is indeed possible to construct a motor powered solely by permanent > magnets. > The third assembly, which looks like the bones of some prehistoric sea > creature, consists of a tunnel constructed of rubber magnet material that > can be easily bent to form rings. This was one of the demonstration models > Johnson took to the U.S. Patent Office during his appeal proceedings. > Normally the patent examiners spend only a few minutes with each patent > applicant, but played with Johnson’s devices for the better part of an hour. > As the inventor was leaving, he overheard one sideline observer remark: "How > would you like to follow that act?!" > It took Johnson about six years of legal hassling to finally obtain his > patent, and he has been congratulated for his ultimate victory over patent > office bureaucracy as well as for his inventiveness. One sign that he left > the patent office more than a little shaken by the experience was the > inclusion of diagrammatic material in the printed patent that does not > belong there. So if you look up the patent, pay no attention to the > "ferrite" graph on the first page; it belongs in some other patent! > The tunnel device of course worked very well in the inventor's office > during my visit although Johnson observed that the rubber magnets are > perhaps a thousand times weaker than the cobalt samarium magnets used the > other assemblies. There's just one big problem with the more powerful > magnets: they cost too much. According to the inventor, the magnets used to > construct the Stonehenge rotating model are collectively worth more than one > thousand dollars. But there's no need to depend solely on mass-production > economies to bring the cost down to competitive levels. Johnson and U.S. > Magnets and Alloy Co. are in the process of developing alternative, > relatively low cost magnetic materials that perform very well. > > How do they work? The drawing that shows a curved "arcuate" armature magnet > in three successive positions over a line of fixed stator magnets provides > at least highly simplified insights into the theory of permanent magnet > motive power generation. Johnson says curved magnets with sharp leading and > trailing edges are important because they focus and concentrate the magnetic > energy much more effectively than do blunt-end magnets. These arcuate > magnets are made slightly longer than the lengths of two stator magnets plus > the intervening space, in Johnson's setups about 3+1/8 inches long. > Note that the stator magnets all have their North faces upward, and that > they are resting on a high magnetic permeability support plate that helps > concentrate the force fields. The best gap between the end poles of the > armature magnet and the stator magnets appears to be about 3/8 inch. > As the armature north pole passes over a magnet, it is repelled by the > stator north pole; and there's an attraction when the north pole is passing > over a space between the stator magnets. The exact opposite is of course > true with respect to the armature South pole. It is attracted when passing > over a stator magnet, repelled when passing over a space. > The various magnetic forces that come into play are extremely complex, > but the drawing shows some of the fundamental relationships. Solid lines > represent attraction forces, dashed lines represent repulsion forces, and > double lines in each case indicate the more dominant forces. > As the top drawing indicates, the leading (N) pole of the armature is > repelled by the north poles of the two adjacent magnets. But, at the > indicated position of the armature magnet, these two repulsive forces > .(which obviously work against each other), are not identical; the stronger > of the two forces (double dashed line) overpowers the other force and tends > to move the armature to the left. This left movement is enhanced by the > attraction force between the armature north pole and the stator south pole > at the bottom of the space between the stator magnets. > But that's not all! Let's see what is happening simultaneously at the > other end (S) of the armature magnet. The length of this magnet (about 3+1/8 > inches) is chosen, in relation to the pairs of stator in magnets plus the > space between them, so that once again the attraction/repulsion forces work > to move the armature magnet to the left. In this case the armature pole (S) > is attracted by the north surfaces of the adjacent stator magnets but, > because of the critical armature dimensioning, more strongly by the magnet > (double solid line) that tends to "pull" the armature to the left. It > overpowers the lesser "drag" effect of the stator magnet to the right. Here > also there is the added advantage of, in this case, repulsion force between > the south pole of the armature and the south pole in the space between the > stator magnets. > The importance of correct dimensioning of the armature magnet cannot be > over-emphasized. If it is either too long or too short, it could achieve an > undesirable equilibrium condition that would stall movement. The objective > is to optimize all force conditions to develop the greatest possible > off-balance condition, but always' in the same direction as the armature > magnet moves along the row of stator magnets. However, if the armature is > rotated 180 degrees and started at the opposite end of the track, it would > behave in exactly the same manner except that it would, in this example, > move from left to right. Also note that once the armature is in motion, it > has momentum that helps carry it into the sphere of influence of the next > pair of magnets where it gets another push and pull, and additional > momentum. > > Complex Forces. Some very complex magnetic forces are obviously at play in > this deceptively simple magnetic system, and at this time it is impossible > to develop a mathematical model of what actually occurs. However, computer > analysis of the system, conducted by Professor William Harrison and his > associates at Virginia Polytechnic Institute (Blacksburg, Va.), provide > vital feedback information that greatly helps in the effort to optimize > these complex forces to achieve the most efficient possible operating > design. > As Professor Harrison points out, in addition to the obvious interaction > between the two poles of the armature magnet and the stator magnets, many > other interactions are in play. The stator magnets affect each other and the > support plate. Magnet distances and their strengths vary despite best > efforts of manufacturers to exercise quality controls. In the assembly of > the working model, there are inevitable differences between horizontal and > vertical air spaces. All these interrelated factors must be optimized, which > is why computer analysis in this refinement stage is vital. It's a kind of > information feedback system. As changes are made in the physical design, > fast dynamic measurements are made to see whether the expected results have > actually been achieved. The 'new computer data is then used to develop new > changes in the design of the experimental model. And so on, and on. > That very different magnetic conditions exist at the two ends of the > armature is shown by the actual experimental data displayed in the table and > associated graph. To obtain this information, the researchers first passed > the probe of an instrument used to measure magnetic field strengths over the > stator magnets and the intervening spaces. We shall call this the "Zero" > level although there is a very tiny gap between the probe and the tops of > the stator magnets. These measurements in effect indicate what each pole of > the armature magnet "sees" below as it passes over. the stator magnets. > Next the probe is moved to a position just beneath one of the armature > poles, at the top of the 3/8-inch armature-to-stator air gap. Another set of > magnetic flux measurements is made. The procedure is repeated with the probe > positioned just beneath the other armature pole. > Now "Instinct" might suggest, and correctly so, that the flux > measurements at the top and bottom of the air gap will differ. But if > "instinct" also suggests that these differences are pretty much the same at > the two armature pole positions, you would be very much in error! > First study the two tables that show actual flux density measurements. > Note that in this particular experiment the total magnetic flux amounted to > 30,700 Gauss (the unit of magnetic strength) when the probe was held at the > "Zero" level under the north pole of the magnet, and a total of 28,700 Gauss > when the probe was moved to the top of the 3/8-inch air gap. The difference > between these total 'measurements is 2,000 Gauss. > Similar readings made at the air gap between the south pole of the > armature and the stator magnets indicates a total flux at "Zero" level of > 33,725 Gauss, and 24,700 Gauss at the top of the air gap. This time the > difference is a much larger 9,025 Gauss, or four and one half times greater > than for the north pole! Clearly, the magnetic force conditions are far from > identical at the two ends of the armature magnet. > The middle five pairs of figures from each table hive been plotted in > graphic form to make these differences more obvious. In the top "South Pole" > graph the dashed line connects, the "Zero" level readings made over the > stator magnets and over the intervening air spaces. Points along the solid > line indicate comparable readings made with the probe just beneath the > armature south pole. It is easy to see that there is an average 43 percent > reduction of the attraction between the armature and stator magnets created > by the air gap. Equally true, but perhaps not so obvious, is the fact that > there is an average 36 percent increase of repulsion when the south pole of > the armature passes over the spaces between the stator magnets. The > percentage increase only seems smaller because it applies to a much smaller > "Zero" level value. > The second graph shows that the changes are much less dramatic at the > north pole of the armature. In this case there's an average 11.7-percent > decrease of attraction over the spaces, and a 2.4 percent increase, of > repulsion when the armature north pole passes over the stator magnets. > As you study the data, be sure to note that the columns are labeled > differently. In the case of the north pole data, the stator magnet areas > repulse the armature north pole while the spaces between the stator magnets > attract. The conditions are exactly the opposite for the south pole of the > armature magnet. When the south pole passes over a magnet, there is strong > attraction; when it passes over a space, there is repulsion. > > The Ultimate Motor. A motor based on Johnson's findings would be of > extremely simple design compared to conventional motors. As shown in the > diagrams developed from Johnson’s patent literature, the stator/base unit > would contain a ring of spaced magnets backed by a high magnetic > permeability sleeve. Three arcuate armature magnets would be mounted in the > armature which has a belt groove for power transmission. The armature is > supported on ball bearings on a shaft that either screws or slides into the > stator unit. Speed control and start/stop action would be achieved by the > simple means of moving the armature toward and away from the stator section. > There is a noticeable pulsing action in the simple prototype units that > may be undesirable in a practical motor. The movement can be smoothed, the > inventor believes, by simply using two or more staggered armature magnets as > shown in another drawing. > > What’s Ahead? For inventor Howard Johnson and his permanent magnet power > source there's bound to be plenty of controversy, certainly, but also > progress. A 5000 watt electric generator powered by a permanent magnet motor > is already on the way, and Johnson has firm licensing agreements with at > least four companies at this writing. > Will we see permanent magnet motors in automobiles in the near future? > Johnson wants nothing to do with Detroit at this time because, as he puts > it: "It’s too emotional - we’d get smashed into the earth!" The inventor is > equally reluctant to make predictions about other applications as well, > mainly because he just wants time to perfect his ideas and, hopefully, get > the scientific establishment to at least consider his unorthodox ideas with > a more open mind. > For example, Johnson argues that the magnetic forces in a permanent > magnet represent superconductance that is akin to phenomena normally > associated only with extremely cold superconducting systems. He argues that > a magnet is a room temperature superconducting system because the electron > flow does not cease, and because this electron flow can be made to do work. > And for those who pooh- pooh the idea that permanent magnets do work, > Johnson has an answer: "You come along with a magnet and pick up a piece of > iron, then some physicist says you didn't do any work because you used that > magnet. But you moved a mass through a distance. Right? That's work that > requires energy. Or you can hold one magnet in the air indefinitely by > positioning it over another magnet with like poles facing. The physicist > will argue that because it involves magnetic repulsion, no work is done. Yet > if you support the same object with air, they will agree in a minute that > work is done!" > There's no doubt in Johnson's mind that he has succeeded in extracting > usable energy from the atoms of permanent magnets. But does that imply that > the electron spins and associated phenomena that he thinks provide this > power will eventually be used up? Johnson makes no pretense of knowing the > answer: I didn't start the electron spins, and I don't know an way to stop > them - do you? They may eventually stop, but that is not my problem." > Johnson still has many practical problems to solve to perfect his > invention. But his greater challenge may be to win general acceptance of his > ideas by an obviously nervous scientific community in which many physicists > remain compulsive about defending the law of Conservation of Energy without > ever wondering whether that "law" really needs defending. > The dilemma facing Johnson is not really his dilemma but rather that of > other scientists who have observed his prototypes. The devices obviously do > work. But the textbooks say it shouldn’t work. And all that Johnson is > really saying to the scientific community is this: here is a phenomenon > which seems to contradict some of our traditional beliefs. For all our sakes > let’s not dismiss it outright but take the time to understand the complex > forces at work here. If this motor is so good, why hasn't anything been done with it in 30 years? Ron Brennen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 17 19:26:19 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA16693; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 19:26:12 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 19:26:12 -0800 Message-ID: <3679F253.350F@tiac.net> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 22:12:35 -0800 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: PERMANENT MAGNET MOTOR References: <3679B821.399F@lcia.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"jQoRk1.0.k44.KjSUs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8105 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com RON BRENNEN wrote: > > MKSBoysal@aol.com wrote: > > I was prepared to develop eye strain in an effort to detect some sort of > > motion in the vehicle. I need not have been concerned. The moment the > > inventor let go of the vehicle be carefully placed at one end of the track, > > it accelerated and literally zipped from one end to the other and flew onto > > the floor! Wow! Wow indeed. Why is this special? > > I tried the experiment myself, and could feel the powerful magnetic > > forces at work as I placed the vehicle on the track. I gently eased the > > vehicle to the critical starting point, taking great care not to exert any > > kind of forward push, even inadvertently. I let go, Zip! It was on the floor > > again, at the other end of the track. The powerful magnetic forces felt here are the result of you storing energy in the system. This stored energy is released when the vehicle is released at the special starting point. This is no different than a spring. > > Incidentally, the photograph shows the vehicle about half ways along the > > track. It was "frozen" there by the electronic flash used to make the > > picture; there is no way of "posing" the vehicle in that position short of > > tying it down. So it takes energy to put it there, right? > > Since this assembly is clearly a crude sort of motor, there's no doubt > > that it is indeed possible to construct a motor powered solely by permanent > > magnets. Wrong. Look at the Hammel Spinner thread in the archives. Again, your putting the enegy into the device with your hands. Mount the magnet in a sturdy mount, and the motor will not turn. > If this motor is so good, why hasn't anything been done with it > in 30 years? > Ron Brennen Actually, its been looked at several times by many researchers. This is one of the legnedary over unity claims. Not so long ago we had a small flap over the Hammel Spinner, a minor varient of one of the Johnson devices described in the original post. Its been 'debunked'. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 17 20:07:04 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA29174; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 20:06:49 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 20:06:49 -0800 Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 22:58:45 -0500 (EST) From: John Schnurer To: MKSBoysal@aol.com, John Schnurer cc: free E Subject: Re: PERMANENT MAGNET MOTOR In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"do3nz.0.l77.OJTUs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8106 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Dear M., Did you personally see an operational self running rotary 'motor'? What were the rpms and was it running under load? Did you see it run and turn a generator and light a lamp or produce other work? JHS From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 17 20:48:22 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA09425; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 20:48:18 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 20:48:18 -0800 From: MKSBoysal@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 23:40:55 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: PERMANENT MAGNET MOTOR Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"AsTAj2.0.AJ2.IwTUs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8107 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Dear JHS, No I haven't seen it an operational of self running rotary 'motor in person only what there is on the web site, I like to hear myself too if there is any one on the list that have first hand experince on Pemanent Magnet Motors. Please let us know or contact me directly, thanks everyone and let be well prepare for Y2k because no knows if there will be power or other things thereon. I personaly know this lady that send this email below to a (another) list that I share with, please take few min. to read it. MKSB. From: suzuki@USA.NET (Monica Suzuki) Sender: KOFlist-ownkhger@wtpdev1.wtp.net Reply-to: khgff@wtpdev1.wtp.net To: kofijh@wtpdev1.wtp.net This happens to be true, but the gravity of the problem is much more severe because there are several telecommunications companies that rely on each other, so if one or more are not prepared, they are all affected. Local and long-distance telephone companies work together and their systems rely heavily on electronic media. You can bet this affects international telecommunications companies such as British Telecom who is in alliance with AT&T and to some degree, MCI. Think of all the telecommunications companies that have merged, such as MCI and Worldcom did this year. I should know, I used to be a former MCI employee who was a Y2K coordinator and very familiar with what systems were not Y2K-compliant. MCI started fixing Y2K problems this year. I was also a representative on the Telecommunications Industry Forum Electronic Communications Implementation Committee. The committee has yet to address the issues around Y2K. Who knows? We may not be able to log onto the internet in the year 2000 because long distance companies also provide ISP services. Telecommunications involves more than just the long-distance market. Christopher Goodheart wrote: > > SECRET DOCUMENTS REVEAL Y2K TELECOMM TRUTH: > A MAJOR LONG-DISTANCE COMPANY KNOWS THEY WON'T MAKE IT > (But they won't admit it publicly...) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------ Dear M., Did you personally see an operational self running rotary 'motor'? What were the rpms and was it running under load? Did you see it run and turn a generator and light a lamp or produce other work? JHS From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 17 21:48:42 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA29501; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 21:48:39 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 21:48:39 -0800 From: MKSBoysal@aol.com Message-ID: <99711e72.3679ebfb@aol.com> Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 00:45:31 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Alert: RED CHINA INVASION & WASHINGTON'S VISION Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"-uKKu2.0.oC7.toUUs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8108 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Subj:Alert: RED CHINA INVASION & WASHINGTON'S VISION EXCERPT: "President Carter signed an agreement with Red China to provide 5 million troops to maintain order in the U.S. if there was a rebellion with the planned takeover by 2,000. Another source told me Red China will be given land in the Western states. Recently a BBC documentary was shown in London with Chinese troops practicing amphibious landings in the Formosa Straits. When BBC newsmen were allowed to interview some of these soldiers, they asked: "What are you preparing to use this training for?" The soldiers said, "For the coming invasion of America!" The scheduled rebroadcast the next day of this documentary was cancelled. ------------------------- -> SNETNEWS Mailing List Red China and Other Nations In The U.S. By Gurudas Copyright 1997 Gurudas In recent months many people have expressed concern about the growing influence of Red China in the U.S. Red China is increasingly energized economically and continues to expand its military. Former White House aide George Stephanopoulos said March 16, 1997 on ABC This Week the administration support of China "reflected the influence of the Council on Foreign Relations(CFR)." Red China has always been part of the New World Order although at a more peripherial level. As the New York Times said in February, 1972 in conjunction with Nixon's opening to Red China, Nixon was "merely reiterating the belief he brought to China that both nations share an interest in peace and building a new world order." On April 24,1997 the Associated Press(AP) said "The Presidents of Russia and China agreed to work toward a new world order in which regional powers would supplant the U.S. as the lone superpower." China is trying to build a large facility including an ammunition plant in Adelanto, California to distribute its products with 1,000 Chinese workers. There are plans to build similar facilities in Charleston, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Texas, Tennessee, Mississippi, and Louisiana. U.S. tax payers are subsidizing a $138 million loan guarantee to build ships for the China Ocean Shipping Co.(COSCO) in Alabama. This company is controlled by the Chinese military. In addition, Panama recently agreed to lease the port on each end of the Panama Canal to a COSCO subsidary, Hutchinson Corporation. According to the March 29, 1997 Charleston Daily Mail, "Panama peremptorily closed the bidding, secretly changed the rules, and simply awarded the contract to Hutchinson before the American or other firms could even know what was happening." Documents show that at least 3 more lucrative deals offered by U.S. companies were rejected. Obviously Panama would not have done this without U.S. urging. Rep. Traficant complained in Congress that Red China is now going to manufacture boots for the U.S. Army. On April 1, 1997 the AP said for the first time since the 1950s Chinese ships can now dock near U.S. military installations with only a day's notice. And there are plans to bring Chinese troops to the U.S. for training exercises. Yet currently 450 Chinese businesses are under federal investigation for espionage, and China continues to be attacked in the press for illegal campaign contributions to the Democratic/Republican Party. As occurred in the 1930s when the U.S. transferred vast resources to the Nazis, in recent years the U.S. has transferred much economic and military technology to China. ( http:///www.tv-u.com/china.html) COSCO has been attempting, with White House support, to lease the closed naval facility in Long Beach. Under the agreement U.S. Customs could only inspect one in 8 COSCO ships so it will be impossible to prevent illegal drugs and weapons from entering the U.S. Strategic Investments (May, 1997) said the Chinese military has agreed to distribute opium/heroin for Burma. Last year U.S. Customs in Oakland seized 2,000 AK-47s delivered on a COSCO ship. According to federal documents these weapons were going to street gangs in southern California. Wang Jun chairman of Polytech, the manufacturer of these weapons, attended a White House function in February, 1996. On April 14, 1997 the AP said two truckloads of illegal Chinese arms bound for Mexico were found in a San Diego warehouse. According to the evidence there were four other truckloads of arms from China. Why is Red China interested in arming American street gangs with thousands of weapons. There have been numerous reports that street gangs are being recruited to be used as shock troops by the government during a national emergency partly to disarm the public and to make arrests. In June, 1996 the Justice Department said it was going to hold a conference with gang leaders to discuss common problems. The White House on May 13, 1996 said there were 16,000 gangs with 500,000 members. The San Jose Mercury News last year explained how the Contras supplied illegal drugs to the Crips and Bloods in L.A., apparently with CIA knowledge. These two gangs have now spread throughout the country. CIA involvement in smuggling illegal drugs into the U.S. has been documentated for decades by numerous sources. As the Nazis did in Germany before they took control the ruling elite support street gangs so they can be used to terrorize the people. In the book Fateful Visions, which is edited by members of the CFR, various authors say that as a world government is established, secession will not be allowed. Once a consensus has formed to establish a world government, all nations will have to join it. If some nations refuse to do this, it supposedly would threaten peace, so force would be used against them. (See page 211-2) Paul Warburg, a prominent Wall Street CRF leader, testified before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee on February 17, 1950. He said: "We shall have world government whether or not you like it-by conquest or consent."(Hearings on Revision of the UN Charter, p. 494) In the July/August, 1995 issue of Foreign Affairs (p.8) Arthur Schlesinger, Jr. said: "We are not going to achieve a new world order without paying for it in blood as well as in words and money." When influential people openly state these things, reasonable people have a right to be concerned. In hundreds of books, speeches, and journal articles influential people call for a one world government, the end of U.S. sovereignty, and the end of freedoms Americans have long held dear. This material is discussed in my book Treason: The New World Order. (See below) Place yourself in the shoes of a corporate traitor planning to establish an open police state in America. Tens of millions of Americans are armed and aware that treason is taking place. And there are powerful elements in the military who will not sit by and support a police state. These corporate traitors cannot risk an open confrontation and hope for the best. They are well aware that if they lose they will lose everything so resistance must be met with force. The plan is for Red China and many other nations to send large concentrations of troops to the U.S. As recorded in the Library of Congress, the invasion of the U.S. by vast armies from Asia, Europe, and Africa with great devastation resulting is the third great danger to America's survival that George Washington saw in his vision with an angel at Valley Forge in 1777. ( http://www.ptialaska.net/~swampy/interest/vision.html) These armies were immersed in a dark red light. The angel concluded: "Son of the Republic, what you have seen is thus interpreted: Three great perils will come upon the Republic. The most fearful is the third, but in this greatest conflict the whole world united shall not prevail against her. Let every child of the Republic learn to live for his God, his land and the Union." Washington had another vision which is less well known. He saw the Chinese invading the Western U.S. and by Divine intervention they were stopped in the Rocky Mountains. The Spotlight April 28, 1997 reported that President Carter signed an agreement with Red China to provide 5 million troops to maintain order in the U.S. if there was a rebellion with the planned takeover by 2,000. Another source told me Red China will be given land in the Western states. Recently a BBC documentary was shown in London with Chinese troops practicing amphibious landings in the Formosa Straits. When BBC newsmen were allowed to interview some of these soldiers, they asked: "What are you preparing to use this training for?" The soldiers said: "For the coming invasion of America!" The scheduled rebroadcast the next day of this documentary was cancelled. The Senate passed Amendment 1122 to the 1993 crime bill to bring Hong Kong police into the U.S. to join our federal police. (Congressional Record November 5, 1993 S15183. See Section 5108 in this bill.) With Red China now controlling Hong Kong, this law would have provided legal cover to bring Red Chinese troops into the U.S. This clause was defeated in the joint House/Senate conference. On November 30, 1994 NBC Evening News quoted the Pentagon as saying there were 5,000 foreign troops in the U.S. There are many other reports of foreign troops in the U.S. While individual foreign troops have come to the U.S. for military training for years, today entire units enter the U.S. and the press openly describes joint military exercises with these soldiers such as in N.C. and Fort Polk, La. In addition, foreign military equipment including tanks are now stored at various bases across the U.S. such as in Alamogordo, N.M. and Billings, MT. The German Air Force now has units at Holloman Air Base, N.M. ( http://www.nebonet.com/headhome/dadmisc/trojan.htm) Also, the National Guard State Partnership Program was established to exchange American soldiers in National Guard units with personnel from the former Soviet Union, supposedly to promote democracy and human rights in these foreign countries. This is another convenient excuse to send U.S. troops overseas and to bring communist troops here. While there are an undetermined number of foreign troops in the U.S. today, foreign troops in growing concentrations are secretly stationed in Canada and Mexico. Col. Ammerman (retired) and others state that so many Russian troops are in the Mountains of Mexico that there are food shortages in that country. See http://feustel.mixi.net/safan/TXT/100/s_129.txt-SAFAN 129 for a discussion of Russian, Chinese, and German troops in Canada. New rail tracks are being laid in Canada and reportedly tunnels between Russia and Alaska and Canada have been built. Meanwhile the American military has been cut by one-third in manpower since 1989 with over 200,000 U.S. troops stationed overseas. The cold war is over but American troops are serving in 100 foreign countries. More cuts in the military have just been proposed and bases continue to be closed. On May 10, 1994 the Combat Arms Survey was given to 300 marines at the Twenty-nine Palms Marine Corps base. Questions included "I am a UN fighting person." Many questions asked if the soldiers would serve under UN command. Question 46 said if the U.S. gave citizens 30 days to disarm and if Americans refused to surrender their weapons, "I would fire upon U.S. citizens who refuse or resist confiscation of firearms banned by the U.S. government." Other military personnel have been asked similar questions. Moreover, the military and FEMA continue to conduct late-night exercises in numerous cities using live ammunition and low-flying helicopters. The most likely scenario to occur is that tens of thousands of foreign troops will be openly brought into the U.S. to patrol the streets. The most effective way to achieve this is to do it out in the open with the national press lieing about exactly what was happening. Once entrenched these invaders, probably supported by street gangs and Gestapo elements of the federal police, will start seizing guns and arresting patriots. Such an invasion would radicalize the country unlike any event since the Civil War and widespread fighting would soon erupt. The NBC Evening News April 16, 1996 said: "5,000 police officers from around the world" will protect the Olympics in Atlanta. Newsweek June 24, 1996 said "foreign law enforcement agencies" would protect the Olympics. This event was the first time since the War of 1812 that foreign troops patrolled a U.S. city. Was this a test case for the future? The Chicago Tribune, on Sept. 29, 1993 presented an editorial by Bob Greene describing many problems in the U.S. He said the U.S. desperately needed a UN multinational force. Many influential people call for a UN army to promote and maintain a world government. Books like A World Effectively Controlled By the UN, Introduction to World Peace Through World Law, and World Peace through World Law describes these plans in great detail. Aside from local police who will carry small arms, the entire world is to be disarmed except for a powerful UN army. In 1961 the U.S. State Department issued a publication, Freedom From War, outlining in detail plans to disarm the U.S. military and establish a UN army. In 1992, UN Secretary General Boutros Ghali presented An Agenda For Peace calling for a permanent UN army. The report said: "The time of absoute and exclusive sovereignty has passed," and it listed reasons that would justify the UN using its army to intervene in a nation. Senator Boren in the New York Times August 26, 1992, said the world needs a UN army to create a New World Order. On June 27, 1995 the New York Times called for a UN army. Foreign Policy magazine presented an article (Winter 1992-93, p. 3-21) that actually listed nations to be taken over by the UN. The use of UN troops in Somalia and Bosnia exemplifies the coming trend. Deputy Secretary of State Strobe Talbott(CFR) said (Time, December 14, 1992, p.35) "once a country utterly loses its ability to govern itself, it also loses its claim to claim to sovereignty and should become a ward of the UN." If there is not an open move to establish a police state, four other events might occur. First, another foreign conflict might be created by the ruling elite. A war in Korea or the Middle east would be most likely with many U.S. troops sent overseas. Second, foreign troops in the U.S., Canada, and Mexico would be greatly increased. Third, phony excuses would be created to have a national emergency requiring martial law in the U.S. Once again the militias will be falsely blamed. In March, 1994 Sheriff Bill Spencer of Orange County, Va. attended a conference promoted by the Feds on improved local policing. One speaker said: "If the trend of violence continued, America would face having the Constitution suspended and our neighborhoods patrolled by men in black uniforms." http://www.police-against-nwo.com/letters7.htm Many plans exist for FEMA to take control during a national emergency with the Constitution and Bill of Rights being suspended, as Jack Anderson noted in October, 1984. Numerous Executive Orders exist that would take away all our rights. Fourth, with many senior officers supporting the Consititution, there might be late night raids to arrest and remove hundreds of officers. There could be an announcement that there was a military coup threatened by officers with a call backed by the national press to support the president. Many people would be fooled into this lie just as most German citizens supported the phony national emergency created by Hitler. While I do not assume this plan would work, those in the military loyal to the Constitution have erred in not yet releasing documents such as on the internet showing that treason is taking place. Educating the public is essential. I am not saying that an open dictatorship in U.S. will actually occur in the near future but the threat is clear. The secret government has long used the gradual approach to take away our rights. Now as their power grows some in the ruling elite want to shift to blunt force to have an open police state. Much depends on how unified and loyal the U.S. military remains. Obviously these foreign countries are not interested in being attacked by nuclear missiles and the many secret weapons the U.S. military possesses. If military officers loyal to the Constitution took aggressive actions against the corporate traitors promoting the New World Order, this would have an important impact. Because of space limitations many issues discussed above are only briefly presented here while in Treason The New World Order they are discussed in great detail. This includes: phony excuses, martial law today, how the elite create many wars such as WW I and WW II, UN activities, street gangs, Executive Orders, FEMA activities, people behind the New World Order, and foreign troops in the U.S. Treason The New World Order by Gurudas. $14.95 320 pp. 833 footnotes, 885 quotes, 104 solutions, and 319 warnings 1-800-255-2665 Cassandra Press, Inc. $4.00-$5.00 P.O. Box 150868 San Rafael, CA 94915 for shipping one copy Direct sellers: A-albonic Research, Adventures Unlimited, Flatland Books, Free American, Illuminet, Militia of Montana, Newspeak, The Survival Center, Tom Davis Books, Virtue Productions, and WWW.amazon.com. IN BRIEF: Treason The New World Order by Gurudas A reference work on the New World Order and Patriot movement with 833 footnotes, 885 quotes, 104 solutions, and 319 warnings about a coming corporate police state. Hundreds of influential people call for a one world government, surrender of U.S. sovereignty, end of the U.S. Constitution, transference of the U.S. military to the UN, and a global police force. The UN is to become the center of a world government. The destruction of nationalism, patriotism, property rights, and the family unit is promoted. All nations must ultimately join a world government and those who resist will be attacked. The media never discusses this huge body of literature. Topics reviewed include: corporate dominance, political ramifications of globalization, the secret government, state sovereignty, out of control intelligence community, Oklahoma bombing and cover-up, left and right working together, suppressed U.S. history, role of the militias in U.S. history, past martial law in the U.S., murder as a political weapon, GATT and NAFTA, radiation/biological experiments on people, and corporate plot for a dictatorship in the 1930s which Congress confirmed. Many solutions are presented. Quotes from many prominent people: Bertrand Russell called for "bacteriological war...a black death... infanticide or really destructive wars and...general misery except for a powerful minority." H.G. Wells said in the code of the future "good scientifically caused pain" will be used to control the population. George Bernard Shaw said people not worth educating and employing "might possibly be executed in a kindly manner..." Arnold Toynbee said world government must replace nationalism and "a ruthless authoritarian government" is necessary. Drastic cuts in the population are called for Paul Ehrlich in The Population Bomb said the birth rate will be reduced or the "death rate solution" will be used with "war, famine, pestilence." Jacques-Yves Cousteau said "we must eliminate 350,000 people per day" and urged "drastic, unconventional decisions." From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 17 21:58:15 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA32453; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 21:58:13 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 21:58:13 -0800 Message-ID: <3679EFA4.FC406C22@ghiocel.com> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 22:01:09 -0800 From: Dan Ghiocel Reply-To: dan@ghiocel.com Organization: Scott Electronic Services -LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en]C-AtHome0404 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l Subject: overunity motor Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"wNp3l3.0.-w7.qxUUs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8109 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com I am a little confused: What this discussion about dead batteries has to do with the efficiency of the electric motor. Also, I could not figure out how the input and output energy transfer was measured with the two DVM's. I believe I saw one digital set of multimeters and one analog set of meters. The reproduction of the oscilloscope displays shows very sharp pulses going both posiitvely and negatively. Is there the idea that negative pulses are showing energy being delivered to the batteries? In other words the energy produced by the motor? I fsomebody has these already figured out, please give me an idea. I am not that familiar with these overunity motors. Sincerely Dan From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Dec 18 08:32:28 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id IAA18552; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 08:32:19 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 08:32:19 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 11:42:00 -0600 To: harti@harti.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Newman=B4s_own_book_shows_mechanical_NOT_OU=21=22?= is UNTRUE! Resent-Message-ID: <"-Ha0G.0.lX4.JEeUs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8110 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Dear Stefan: Joseph Newman wanted me to pass along his response that the statement written above: "Newman's own book shows mechanical NOT OU!" is TOTALLY UNTRUE. He also added that his system has demonstrated that (with respect to the battery terminals): "CURRENT FLOWS FROM NEGATIVE TO POSITIVE" *NOT* Positive to Negative. Also, as previously stated: The Newman Motor DOES recharge the batteries as it operates. In the present, ongoing, demonstration the motor turns at 130 rpms. As of my last info, the motor has run on the same (drained) batteries for over 12 HOURS!! I have also been informed that when the motor runs, the battery voltage (when the motor started) was 120 volts. After an hour of operation, the battery voltage had INCREASED to 130 volts. In general, the voltage seemed to fluctuate between 120-130 volts, so far. Evan Soule' From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Dec 18 09:20:23 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA02656; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 09:20:19 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 09:20:19 -0800 Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 12:12:18 -0500 (EST) From: John Schnurer To: free E Subject: Christmas presents (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"T4k-Q1.0.Pf.JxeUs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8111 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Dear Folks, I am building a few ELF VLF front ends for detecting sferic and whistlers and so on. Basically two types, although a hybrid can be produced if desired; 1] input is coil or inductor.... which can be shielded for a magnetic and-or EM sensing ... if electrostatically shielded the you get the magnetic component, mostly. 2] charge ... or electrostatic. These are built up one at a time, by hand, and usually customized to user's needs. Not cheap, but work well.... these are high end gizmos! Buy your mad scientist a present, and help me to continue research! I also build some low end ones... good for starting out. Contact me off line if interested. Other detector and transducers per request... JS From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Dec 18 12:50:49 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA10663; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 12:50:35 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 12:50:35 -0800 From: trknute@earthlink.net Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981207130047.008c8100@earthlink.net> X-Sender: trknute@earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 13:00:47 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Hydrogen Today Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"sy0EX3.0.Sc2.Q0iUs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8112 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Dear Jerry, and All. As you all may see, I am a staunch advocate of hydrogen. I personally see the use of hydrogen as the medium of delivery of all energy, for all needs. What do I mean by, "Medium of Delivery"? Hydrogen is the safest fuel known to man!!!!!!!! Bold statement? Here is why I say this. 1. You can breathe the stuff! Hydrogen Is and has been tested as a (Deep Submergence Berating Medium),or DSBM. Well tested and approved for further research, Hydrogen, unlike helium, or nitrogen, is released from the Blood much more easily. The safety required in such a case is clear as you are breathing both, Hydrogen and Oxygen. A very volatile mixture. By placing all sources of spark in contained enclosures, the threat to possible ignition is minimized. Also, hydrogen requires a very specific spark to set off. Conducted with great care, these test were very successful and Hydrogen may be our Key to later, manned, direct, exploration of the ocean depths, and working outside submersibles. Jules Vern? No, these tests were conducted in the 80s. As, many of you may know I can no longer walk well, and have had several joint transplants, the result of my diving experiences in the military, so I know of what I speak, first hand. 1. Hydrogen can be manufactured. I Hope buy now we have moved past this issue. There is also the, very real, possibility that any of you who are so inclined, can make production units of your very own. You can then be assured of total energy independence, with or without a formal infrastructure. This later point, is where I think the reluctance to developing hydrogen, and hydrogen powered cars lay. There is no profit to be made if the use of Hydrogen is implemented. You could, simply provide you own. 1. Hydrogen can easily be stored and shipped. It is done all the time and in every major city. The common misconception is that hydrogen is explosive. Even in the case of the Hindenburg, it DID NOT explode. It simply burnt. In the case of a ruptured storage tank, you would see a large fire yes, but no explosion. Compared to the risk of Nuclear Meltdowns, I think any reasonable person would opt for the hydrogen event, resulting in a confinable and minimal event. In all my work, I suggest that Hydrogen storage be under ground with vertical venting, and a series of independent and separated tanks. In the case of a service station, this might appear to the visual user as a small fence above ground wrapping the property of the gas station. Under the fence would be the line of storage tanks, with hallow places in the fence, acting as vents to the underground storage. If a leak were to occur, It would simply dissipate to the open air. If it were to ignite, there would be a plume of flame, safely directed away form standers by, until valves could be closed. Automated check valves could easily be installed to minimize any damage in the advent of fire. 4. Autos. In the case of Hydride storage, I hope I made myself clear. They can sustain a riffle shot that DOES violate the container. This was the actual test done my General Motors in the 60s. They took a tank out and shot it, with no damage or explosion, the gas simply was released, slowly, as is the function of hydride storage. 5. In home use. You presently do use hydrogen in you homes, in the form of natural gas! In this form it is poisonous, polluting, and the byproducts will also kill you, CO2. Natural gas, is also heavier than air, it will seek out other sources of ignition, such as a pilot light of a water heater, and send your house to the moon. Hydrogen has NONE of these risks, and is totally insert in the pipe, so there is never a chance of a flash back of delivery. A little note, to give some of you hope, many communities have been repairing gas lines with an insert tube. This tubing is precisely designed to deliver Hydrogen, not natural gas. If you do not think the big boys do not know what is coming, think again. What I speak of here, is in an effort to give understanding of some of the issues. You might also want to Check out the Arco Corp. They have been buying up Solar, Photo Voltaic, technologies for 30 years now. PV or solar cells are voltage and current, MARRIED to the electrolyses process. Hummm, Now why do you think they might be doing that? All the best TR Knudtson From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Dec 18 16:19:13 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA10981; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 16:18:50 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 16:18:50 -0800 Message-ID: <367B1793.50A7@tiac.net> Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 19:03:47 -0800 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Alert: RED CHINA INVASION & WASHINGTON'S VISION References: <99711e72.3679ebfb@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"yl7yU2.0.7h2.c3lUs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8113 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com MKSBoysal@aol.com wrote: > > Subj:Alert: RED CHINA INVASION & WASHINGTON'S VISION > The subject here is free energy and alternative scientific theories. Please do not post this off topic spam here. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Dec 18 16:35:36 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA18517; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 16:35:34 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 16:35:34 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 16:35:31 -0800 (PST) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Let's Talk Hypotheticals. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"aIRbW1.0.AX4.LJlUs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8114 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Wed, 16 Dec 1998, Evan Soule wrote: > Let's Talk Hypotheticals. > > Let's take two motors -- Motor A and Motor B: > > Motor A weighs 14 lbs (including a 4 lb rotor). > > Motor B weighs 350 lbs (including a 140 lb rotor). > > Take the case of Motor A: If you ask "is this very, VERY strange behavior?", I would have to say yes, definitely. If you ask "does this behavior violate the conventional laws of physics", I would have to say "possibly, lets do further testing to eliminate any weird but conventional possibilities." In the past, various people have insisted that the Newman Motor is simply extracting some extra energy which is hidden in "dead" batteries. Maybe, but nobody usually notices that DEAD BATTERIES are being used to extract their OWN energy. Is such a thing possible? Yes, but only if batteries can be revived by using high-current impulses. For example, to (possibly) make dead batteries revive themselves, use a chain of nearly-dead batteries to power some sort of energy-storage device. Let the feeble energy of the battery chain flow into the energy storage device. Then dump the stored energy back into the batteries all at once. Try this with something other than the Newman motor, see if the dead batteries revive themselves. For example, use a series stack of nearly-dead batteries to charge a big capacitor, then remove the batteries, take out one battery from the stack, and zap it with the capacitor. Repeat the process for each battery, over and over. Does this charge the batteries? I don't know. However, if it does not, then that is a strong piece of evidence in favor of Joe Newman. How to test whether the Newman Motor is just relying on the (possible?) trick of pulse-revivification of nearly dead batteries? Get rid of the batteries, obviously. Use a pre-charged capacitor bank instead. Not so easy to accomplish, since batteries are robust and energy-dense, and the equivalent capacitors would be much, much larger, mostly because they would have to tolerate the overvoltage spikes without arcing internally. So, if the batteries are replaced with a pre-charged capacitor of similar storage capacity, does the operation of the motor tend to increase the voltage across the capacitor terminals? The only answer I've heard: 2.25 inch sparks appear. That phenomena is very strange. But it diverts us from the answer. Big sparks between the terminals and the case MIGHT indicate the presence of high voltage across the capacitor terminals. But the big sparks are not the measurement of capacitor voltage measurement we need. The big sparks are not leaping BETWEEN the capacitor terminals. If they were, then they would be good evidence for overvoltage. Sparks between one capacitor terminal and the capacitor case could be caused by several different conventional effects. Better to ignore them, rather than going off on a tangent by trying to eliminate possibilities for spark-creation. Ignore the sparks for a moment. Does the voltage across the capacitor terminals rise? Hard to measure during operation, I bet, since there might be pulses which destroy a normal meter. Also, a normal meter presents a significant load to a 5000V source of energy, which might rapidly drain the capacitors. Rats! We'd probably need some sort of specialized high-voltage meter with giga-ohms input resistance (normal meters have 10megs). To actually answer the original capacitor question, we'd need to repeat Joe's original "battery experiment" but use capacitors instead. Charge the capacitor bank to a certain voltage, measure the voltage across the terminals with our special meter, then run the motor just long enough that the big spark does NOT appear, then quickly yank off the wires of the capacitor to disconnect it, then use our special meter to measure the capacitor voltage again. If it went up, then Halleluja, Mr. Newman is vindicated, the effect is NOT just a weird "revivification" of batteries, and it is apparent that his motor might run forever on a capacitor, once those big nasty sparks can be eliminated. But to make a measurement, we can tolerate the sparks, we just have to yank off the capacitor before the first big spark occurs. To attempt to eliminate the sparks, support the capacitor up off of the floor on good insulators, then connect one of the capacitor's terminals electrically to the capacitor case. This might or might not work, it would have to be tried. ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com www.eskimo.com/~billb EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Dec 18 16:36:27 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA19078; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 16:36:20 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 16:36:20 -0800 Message-ID: <367B1BFF.58C6@tiac.net> Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 19:22:39 -0800 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: "Newman´s own book shows mechanical NOT OU!" is UNTRUE! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ifOvd.0.sf4.3KlUs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8115 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Evan Soule wrote: > > Dear Stefan: > > Joseph Newman wanted me to pass along his response that the statement > written above: "Newman's own book shows mechanical NOT OU!" is TOTALLY > UNTRUE. Based on what evidence? > He also added that his system has demonstrated that (with respect to the > battery terminals): > > "CURRENT FLOWS FROM NEGATIVE TO POSITIVE" > > *NOT* > > Positive to Negative. Totally irrelevant to the issue at hand. Both theories are in use today. > Also, as previously stated: > > The Newman Motor DOES recharge the batteries as it operates. But not capacitors, right? Big hint people, energy out is not greater than energy in. > In the present, ongoing, demonstration the motor turns at 130 rpms. As of > my last info, the motor has run on the same (drained) batteries for over 12 > HOURS!! I have also been informed that when the motor runs, the battery > voltage (when the motor started) was 120 volts. After an hour of > operation, the battery voltage had INCREASED to 130 volts. In general, the > voltage seemed to fluctuate between 120-130 volts, so far. Its a shame Mr. Newman chose to cite the recent work in Europe at supporting evidence for his claims. Why has there been no discussion of the scope artifact claim? Apparently the work being done in Europe is only worthy of Mr. Newman's mention if he is making a public appearance. JLN recently posted some very interesting test data on his Newman motor. Having looked at the update of 12-14-98, I noticed that during the first 180 seconds, the RPM of the motor falls from 280 RPM to 120 RPM. During the run, the RPM and voltage both seem to fall in a linear manner. How much energy is lost dropping the rotational speed by 160 RPM? How much energy was actually used during that first 180 seconds? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Dec 18 22:13:04 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA11911; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 22:12:53 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 22:12:53 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 01:22:44 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: Re: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Newman=B4s_own_book_shows_mechanical_NOT_OU=21=22?= is UNTRUE! Resent-Message-ID: <"DAwfc1.0.0w2.aFqUs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8116 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >Evan Soule wrote: >> >> Dear Stefan: >> >> Joseph Newman wanted me to pass along his response that the statement >> written above: "Newman's own book shows mechanical NOT OU!" is TOTALLY >> UNTRUE. > >Based on what evidence? Based upon the results of tests repeatedly performed on operational prototypes. > >> He also added that his system has demonstrated that (with respect to the >> battery terminals): >> >> "CURRENT FLOWS FROM NEGATIVE TO POSITIVE" >> >> *NOT* >> >> Positive to Negative. > >Totally irrelevant to the issue at hand. Both theories are in use >today. It is not in any way "totally irrelevant to the issue at hand." BTW, a "theory" is a corroborated hypothesis. You cannot have two "theories" which have both been successfully corroborated and yet are opposite to one another. If you wish to be semantically/scientifically correct you can say "both hypotheses are in use today." > >> Also, as previously stated: >> >> The Newman Motor DOES recharge the batteries as it operates. > >But not capacitors, right? Big hint people, energy out is not greater >than >energy in. Your "big hint" is "big wrong". I predict there will be continuing experiments with capacitors with new designs intended to accommodate the big sparking produced by the prototypes. As stated earlier, the battery voltage does indeed RISE while the unit operates. > >> In the present, ongoing, demonstration the motor turns at 130 rpms. As of >> my last info, the motor has run on the same (drained) batteries for over 12 >> HOURS!! I have also been informed that when the motor runs, the battery >> voltage (when the motor started) was 120 volts. After an hour of >> operation, the battery voltage had INCREASED to 130 volts. In general, the >> voltage seemed to fluctuate between 120-130 volts, so far. > >Its a shame Mr. Newman chose to cite the recent work in Europe at >supporting >evidence for his claims. > >Why has there been no discussion of the scope artifact claim? >Apparently the >work being done in Europe is only worthy of Mr. Newman's mention if he >is >making a public appearance. > >JLN recently posted some very interesting test data on his Newman motor. > >Having looked at the update of 12-14-98, I noticed that during the > >first 180 seconds, the RPM of the motor falls from 280 RPM to 120 RPM. Joe does not accept the scope 'artifact' claim. And I believe he will have more to state about this when he will be disclosing additional test results. And, by comparison, the RPM of Joe's Motor increases very rapidly in the first few seconds of operation to a given RPM and STAYS that way ... it does not decrease --- and this has occurred consistently throughout more than 12 hours of operation. Regards, Evan Soule' From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Dec 19 00:10:31 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id AAA32349; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 00:10:24 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 00:10:24 -0800 Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 00:10:16 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199812190810.AAA03260@avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: dave dameron Subject: Re: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Newman=B4s_own_book_shows_mechanical_NOT_OU=21=22?= is UNTRUE! Resent-Message-ID: <"gt-MN2.0.Mv7.mzrUs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8117 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 01:22 AM 12/19/98 -0600, Evan wrote: >>> He also added that his system has demonstrated that (with respect to the >>> battery terminals): >>> >>> "CURRENT FLOWS FROM NEGATIVE TO POSITIVE" >>> >>> *NOT* >>> >>> Positive to Negative. >> And Bob Shannon wrote: >>Totally irrelevant to the issue at hand. Both theories are in use >>today. > Maybe "conventions" or "notations" would be better words than "theories" This would remove any conflict, as long as one knows the convention used. The current is the same. Both positive ions and electrons are involved within a battery, for example, but that detail isn't seen at the terminals (Manganese ions do not flow from the "positive" terminal of a dry cell). Semiconductor materials have electrons pose as both type currents, of course. >It is not in any way "totally irrelevant to the issue at hand." BTW, a >"theory" is a corroborated hypothesis. You cannot have two "theories" >which have both been successfully corroborated and yet are opposite to one >another. If you wish to be semantically/scientifically correct you can say >"both hypotheses are in use today." > > -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Dec 19 06:35:09 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA07991; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 06:35:01 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 06:35:01 -0800 Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 07:33:57 -0700 (MST) From: "Jorg D. Ostrowski" X-Sender: jdo@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca To: trknute@earthlink.net Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Hydrogen Today In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19981207130047.008c8100@earthlink.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"juCQM.0.hy1.LcxUs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8118 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thank you for your excellent write-ups as usual. Where can we find more info on the practical and cost-effective use of hydrogen for home or eco-village use? I have lots of water (roof collection) and PV. Jorg Ostrowski From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Dec 19 07:10:00 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id HAA13816; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 07:09:57 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 07:09:57 -0800 Message-ID: <367BE8C5.12A6@tiac.net> Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 09:56:21 -0800 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: "Newman´s own book shows mechanical NOT OU!" is UNTRUE! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"K9l1A2.0.nN3.57yUs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8119 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Evan Soule wrote: > >> Joseph Newman wanted me to pass along his response that the statement > >> written above: "Newman's own book shows mechanical NOT OU!" is TOTALLY > >> UNTRUE. > > > >Based on what evidence? > > Based upon the results of tests repeatedly performed on operational prototypes. So what we really seem to have here, is a difference in the interpretation of experimental evidence. > > > >> He also added that his system has demonstrated that (with respect to the > >> battery terminals): > >> > >> "CURRENT FLOWS FROM NEGATIVE TO POSITIVE" > >> > >> *NOT* > >> > >> Positive to Negative. > > > >Totally irrelevant to the issue at hand. Both theories are in use > >today. > > It is not in any way "totally irrelevant to the issue at hand." BTW, a > "theory" is a corroborated hypothesis. You cannot have two "theories" > which have both been successfully corroborated and yet are opposite to one > another. If you wish to be semantically/scientifically correct you can say > "both hypotheses are in use today." I disagree Evan. Today there are indeed two schools of thought on the direction of current flow. There is the electron flow model, and the (so-called) 'conventional' model. We clearly can have two theories, each corroborated by an interpretation of experimental data. For example, Stefan Hartman has made tests, and his interpratation is that there is a scope artifact issue. Mr. Newman has a different interpratation. That all it is, an interpratation, because Mr. Hartman and Mr. Newman have not both done the same tests on the same device. How can Mr. Newman know if Stefan's case is an artifact or not without direct evidence? FOr his to reject the strong evidence out of hand is not very objective. So, exactly how is the direction of current flow signifigent in this testing? > >> The Newman Motor DOES recharge the batteries as it operates. > > > >But not capacitors, right? Big hint people, energy out is not greater > >than > >energy in. > > Your "big hint" is "big wrong". I predict there will be continuing > experiments with capacitors with new designs intended to accommodate the > big sparking produced by the prototypes. As stated earlier, the battery > voltage does indeed RISE while the unit operates. Your attaching a signifigence to the battery voltage rise that I do not. That battery voltage rise MAY BE signifient, but it also may not be. I have not seen any data that suggests Mr. Newman has ever bothered to test to see what is the truth here. I can dupilcate the rise if voltage of a 'dead' battery with a cheap Mabuci motor. Big deal. > >> In the present, ongoing, demonstration the motor turns at 130 rpms. As of > >> my last info, the motor has run on the same (drained) batteries for over 12 > >> HOURS!! I have also been informed that when the motor runs, the battery > >> voltage (when the motor started) was 120 volts. After an hour of > >> operation, the battery voltage had INCREASED to 130 volts. In general, the > >> voltage seemed to fluctuate between 120-130 volts, so far. How do you prove that this is not the conventional phenomena of shock excitation? > >JLN recently posted some very interesting test data on his Newman motor. > > > >Having looked at the update of 12-14-98, I noticed that during the > > > >first 180 seconds, the RPM of the motor falls from 280 RPM to 120 RPM. > > Joe does not accept the scope 'artifact' claim. And I believe he will have > more to state about this when he will be disclosing additional test > results. And, by comparison, the RPM of Joe's Motor increases very rapidly > in the first few seconds of operation to a given RPM and STAYS that way ... > it does not decrease --- and this has occurred consistently throughout more > than 12 hours of operation. Interesting. The evidence for a scope artifact is very strong. Also, this argument against the Newman motor is over a decade old now. Its documented on the web (no, I'll not provide the URL this time). The rotor speed decay is part of the claimed 'self running' demonstration, part of the European work Joe cited at supporting his claims. The fact that the rotor slows in JLN's test, without external power applied, has nothing to do with the steady speed of Joe's demo Evan. You just dont get the science going on behind the different types of tests apparently. Please read JLN's updates carefully, look at his speed over time graphs, as well as the voltage and current over time data. The calculations show an 'interesting' behavior for 180 seconds after external power is removed, but the motor keeps running (with a linear drop is RPM, that must also be accounted for in the energy equations!). This has nothing to do with running a differnt motor for 12 hours on batteries. But JLN's testing sure tells us a lot more about his motor than Joe's demonstration does. In JLN's testing and calculations, it appears that its being assumed that the mechanical energy 'output' is not being used. But the drop in RPM may suggest that the mechanical energy is indeed being used, as Mr. Newman claims, his invention is both a motor and a generator. I just don't beleive its over unity in either role. I further predict that the testing in Europe will finally resolve this point. Lets just wait and see. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Dec 19 08:21:42 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id IAA27326; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 08:21:28 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 08:21:28 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 11:31:16 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Newman=B4s_own_book_shows_mechanical_NOT_OU=21=22?= is UNTRUE! Resent-Message-ID: <"1-TXR3.0.tg6.7AzUs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8120 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >Evan Soule wrote: > > > >> >> Joseph Newman wanted me to pass along his response that the statement >> >> written above: "Newman's own book shows mechanical NOT OU!" is TOTALLY >> >> UNTRUE. >> > >> >Based on what evidence? >> >> Based upon the results of tests repeatedly performed on operational >>prototypes. > >So what we really seem to have here, is a difference in the >interpretation of >experimental evidence. Well, that's your interpretation. Units have been tested, with scopes, calorimeter testing, dynamometer testing, static torque testing (pulley & belt), etc. And consistently, the batteries employed during operation demonstrate voltage increases WHILE the units operate. > >> > >> >> He also added that his system has demonstrated that (with respect to the >> >> battery terminals): >> >> >> >> "CURRENT FLOWS FROM NEGATIVE TO POSITIVE" >> >> >> >> *NOT* >> >> >> >> Positive to Negative. >> > >> >Totally irrelevant to the issue at hand. Both theories are in use >> >today. >> >> It is not in any way "totally irrelevant to the issue at hand." BTW, a >> "theory" is a corroborated hypothesis. You cannot have two "theories" >> which have both been successfully corroborated and yet are opposite to one >> another. If you wish to be semantically/scientifically correct you can say >> "both hypotheses are in use today." > >I disagree Evan. > >Today there are indeed two schools of thought on the direction of >current flow. >There is the electron flow model, and the (so-called) 'conventional' >model. > >We clearly can have two theories, each corroborated by an interpretation >of >experimental data. For example, Stefan Hartman has made tests, and his >interpratation is that there is a scope artifact issue. Mr. Newman has >a different interpratation. > >That all it is, an interpratation, because Mr. Hartman and Mr. Newman >have not >both done the same tests on the same device. How can Mr. Newman know if >Stefan's >case is an artifact or not without direct evidence? > >FOr his to reject the strong evidence out of hand is not very objective. > >So, exactly how is the direction of current flow signifigent in this >testing? How can you disagree when you do not understand the point I made above? You incorrectly used the terminology "theories" above. If you wish to refer to "two schools of thought" as "two hypotheses of thought" I have no problem with your terminology. For Stefan to refer to his scope testing and subsequent negative spikes as a scope artifact is indeed his interpretation. This, however, cannot be generalized to ALL test results on units with which Stefan is unfamiliar. If you indeed have two (or more) competing "theories" with respect to a single phenomena, each corroborated by observation, they cannot BOTH be right -- unless they are actually describing _different_ phenomena in some regard. > > > >> >> The Newman Motor DOES recharge the batteries as it operates. >> > >> >But not capacitors, right? Big hint people, energy out is not greater >> >than >> >energy in. >> >> Your "big hint" is "big wrong". I predict there will be continuing >> experiments with capacitors with new designs intended to accommodate the >> big sparking produced by the prototypes. As stated earlier, the battery >> voltage does indeed RISE while the unit operates. > >Your attaching a signifigence to the battery voltage rise that I do not. > >That battery voltage rise MAY BE signifient, but it also may not be. I >have >not seen any data that suggests Mr. Newman has ever bothered to test to >see >what is the truth here. > >I can dupilcate the rise if voltage of a 'dead' battery with a cheap >Mabuci motor. >Big deal. No, Bob, it IS a big deal. Consistently -- in ALL prototypes constructed, the battery INCREASES during Motor/Generator operation. If you wish to see data then read his book. If you don't, you won't. > >> >> In the present, ongoing, demonstration the motor turns at 130 rpms. As of >> >> my last info, the motor has run on the same (drained) batteries for >>over 12 >> >> HOURS!! I have also been informed that when the motor runs, the battery >> >> voltage (when the motor started) was 120 volts. After an hour of >> >> operation, the battery voltage had INCREASED to 130 volts. In >>general, the >> >> voltage seemed to fluctuate between 120-130 volts, so far. > >How do you prove that this is not the conventional phenomena of shock >excitation? The head chemist for Ray-O-Vac Corporation confirmed that such was not "shock excitation" ---- one would assume he would know since the batteries employed during testing were constructed by Ray-O-Vac. > > > >> >JLN recently posted some very interesting test data on his Newman motor. >> > >> >Having looked at the update of 12-14-98, I noticed that during the >> > >> >first 180 seconds, the RPM of the motor falls from 280 RPM to 120 RPM. >> >> Joe does not accept the scope 'artifact' claim. And I believe he will have >> more to state about this when he will be disclosing additional test >> results. And, by comparison, the RPM of Joe's Motor increases very rapidly >> in the first few seconds of operation to a given RPM and STAYS that way ... >> it does not decrease --- and this has occurred consistently throughout more >> than 12 hours of operation. > >Interesting. > >The evidence for a scope artifact is very strong. Also, this argument >against >the Newman motor is over a decade old now. Its documented on the web >(no, I'll not provide the URL this time). > >The rotor speed decay is part of the claimed 'self running' >demonstration, part of the European work Joe cited at supporting his >claims. > >The fact that the rotor slows in JLN's test, without external power >applied, has nothing to do with the steady speed of Joe's demo Evan. >You just dont get the science going on behind the different types of >tests apparently. Apparently you do not understand what I have described above. I did not state that Joe's demonstration was the same as JLN's self-running demonstration. > >Please read JLN's updates carefully, look at his speed over time graphs, >as well as the voltage and current over time data. The calculations >show an 'interesting' behavior for 180 seconds after external power is >removed, but the motor keeps running (with a linear drop is RPM, that >must also be accounted for in the energy equations!). > >This has nothing to do with running a differnt motor for 12 hours on >batteries. >But JLN's testing sure tells us a lot more about his motor than Joe's >demonstration does. > >In JLN's testing and calculations, it appears that its being assumed >that the mechanical energy 'output' is not being used. But the drop in >RPM may suggest that the mechanical energy is indeed being used, as Mr. >Newman claims, his invention is both a motor and a generator. > >I just don't beleive its over unity in either role. I further predict >that the testing in Europe will finally resolve this point. > >Lets just wait and see. You are welcome to believe what you will. It is obvious that the development of this technology will not depend upon yourself, but upon those individuals who are willing to physicially build prototypes and experiment on same. I would have more respect for your comments Bob if: 1) You had read (and mastered Joseph Newman's fundamental book). 2) You have constructed and experimented with your own prototype(s). 3) You had at least seen one of Joseph Newman's operational prototypes in person. By this Sunday, Joseph Newman will have demonstrated his newest prototype for an entire WEEK --- from 1pm - 8pm every day. This is ample opportunity for anyone to see the technology for themselves. Sincerely, Evan Soule' From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Dec 19 09:08:48 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA07293; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 09:08:44 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 09:08:44 -0800 X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAxESaQk6TRvAvEBueWH+EFsCMwfkCFAgtKie8YCe8mY7Tyl8y4cgiLSHX From: dennisgarrett@webtv.net (Dennis Garrett) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 09:08:42 -0800 (PST) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:_=22Newman=B4s_own_book_shows_mechanical_NOT?= OU!" is UNTRUE! Message-ID: <12836-367BDD9A-4110@mailtod-171.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: Bob Shannon 's message of Sat, 19 Dec 1998 09:56:21 -0800 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"6nVXK3.0.sn1.SszUs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8121 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com for the love of god please stop posting this thing 5 or 6 times!!! or do it by private post. please? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Dec 19 09:18:17 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA10154; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 09:18:14 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 09:18:14 -0800 Message-ID: <005101be2b73$22216580$de58b1cf@wmuntz> From: "Wayne Muntz" To: Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_=22Newman=B4s_own_book_shows_mechanical_NOTOU!=22_is__?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?____________UNTRUE!?= Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 11:15:09 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"jr4dv1.0.VU2.M_zUs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8122 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Garrett To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Saturday, December 19, 1998 11:10 AM Subject: Re: "Newman´s own book shows mechanical NOTOU!" is UNTRUE! for the love of god please stop posting this thing 5 or 6 times!!! or do it by private post. please? ================================================== Hey, I'm enjoying and learning from a good argument....if your going to do it by private posts send me copies?? ....thanks!...Wayne From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Dec 19 09:23:34 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA13053; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 09:23:30 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 09:23:30 -0800 X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQ5J8UDDnJIjFp8jlrMTnnoonLjbQIVALOVrMpDJqLuO778EzRwqoMrtKfs From: dennisgarrett@webtv.net (Dennis Garrett) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 09:23:29 -0800 (PST) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:_=22Newman=B4s_own_book_shows_mechanical?= NOTOU!" is UNTRUE! Message-ID: <12832-367BE111-6675@mailtod-171.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "Wayne Muntz" 's message of Sat, 19 Dec 1998 11:15:09 -0600 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"SZNvX2.0.sB3.I4-Us"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8123 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com maybe it's my darn server. sorry. Dennis From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Dec 19 16:18:55 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA03008; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 16:18:50 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 16:18:50 -0800 From: rvanspaa@vic.bigpond.net.au (Robin van Spaandonk) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Hydrogen Powered Car. Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 00:18:41 GMT Organization: Improving Message-ID: <3680419d.103176416@24.192.1.20> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"kZ5_r1.0.nk.g94Vs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8124 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Wed, 16 Dec 1998 22:25:55 +1000 (GST), Jimmy Huang wrote: [snip] > >Anyone see last weeks Discovery Channel show on super-efficient cars? >(Our cable feed is about a week old around these parts, Guam) > >I just saw it last week. And they got lots of really neat cars built by >some major manufacturers. Many of them boasting close to 90 mpg. Main >problem seems to be that they cannot be manufactored for cheap. One You might find this interesting: http://www.batsupercar.com/news.htm From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Dec 19 17:17:26 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA15336; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 17:17:11 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 17:17:11 -0800 Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 20:09:10 -0500 (EST) From: John Schnurer To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Newman=B4s_own_book_shows_mechanical_NOT_OU=21=22?= is UNTRUE! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"G-Ert.0.Wl3.N05Vs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8125 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com ---cuts---- ....> "theory" is a corroborated hypothesis. You cannot have two "theories" > which have both been successfully corroborated and yet are opposite to one > another. You can have as many theories as you want... From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Dec 19 18:28:05 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA05800; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 18:27:53 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 18:27:53 -0800 Message-ID: <002101be2bc0$4eae17e0$2a65d6d1@charles> From: "Charles Cronn" To: Cc: Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_=22Newman=B4s_own_book_shows_mechanical_NOT_OU!=22_is_?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?UNTRUE!?= Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 20:27:34 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"vLK2D1.0.XQ1.f26Vs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8126 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com What about the "Particle" and "Wave" theories then...LOL You all quit beating that dead horse...LOL -----Original Message----- From: John Schnurer To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Saturday, December 19, 1998 7:17 PM Subject: Re: "Newman´s own book shows mechanical NOT OU!" is UNTRUE! > > >---cuts---- >....> "theory" is a corroborated hypothesis. You cannot have two "theories" >> which have both been successfully corroborated and yet are opposite to one >> another. > You can have as many theories as you want... > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Dec 19 19:52:27 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA29656; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 19:52:08 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 19:52:08 -0800 Message-Id: <199812200342.OAA10642@turbo.turboweb.net.au> X-Mailer: EnRoute for Newton, Version 1.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Generated by EnRoute for Newton) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 14:50 +1100 Subject: A shorter, sharper spike? From: Allan Alderson To: Free NRG Group Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"m6iJ21.0.HF7.eH7Vs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8127 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com While reading my friends automotive `enhancement' book, I notice an advertisement for small 2"-long devices which are meant to install pre spark-plug. The device is claimed to increase the voltage of an ignition coil by reducing the (arc) discharge time. Any ideas how this works? Or is it really as the advt. says, part of a "Top secret NASA Research" program? Regards, Allan. http://www.mpx.com.au/~adsaa **** **** **** **** Dogs have masters, Cats have staff. **** **** **** **** From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Dec 19 20:05:51 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA01510; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 20:05:47 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 20:05:47 -0800 Message-ID: <367C7724.6E75ADA6@engr.ukans.edu> Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 22:03:48 -0600 From: Chris Loental X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: A shorter, sharper spike? References: <199812200342.OAA10642@turbo.turboweb.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"gMN0W2.0.QN.QU7Vs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8128 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Allan, maybe i'm way off base here, but i remember reading *something* about using high-voltage piezoelectric devices (like BBQ-grill starters) in automotive ignition coils. not sure what was said, just something about piezoelectricity. Chris Loental Allan Alderson wrote: > While reading my friends automotive `enhancement' book, I notice an > advertisement for small 2"-long devices which are meant to install pre > spark-plug. The device is claimed to increase the voltage of an ignition > coil by reducing the (arc) discharge time. > Any ideas how this works? Or is it really as the advt. says, part of a > "Top secret NASA Research" program? > > Regards, > Allan. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Dec 19 20:24:34 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA05873; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 20:23:02 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 20:23:02 -0800 Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 22:22:58 -0600 (CST) From: Zack Widup Subject: Re: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Newman=B4s_own_book_shows_mechanical_NOT_OU=21=22?= is UNTRUE! To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: <199812190810.AAA03260@avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"rXrgQ3.0.gR1.bk7Vs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8129 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Sat, 19 Dec 1998, dave dameron wrote: > At 01:22 AM 12/19/98 -0600, Evan wrote: > > >>> He also added that his system has demonstrated that (with respect to the > >>> battery terminals): > >>> > >>> "CURRENT FLOWS FROM NEGATIVE TO POSITIVE" > >>> > >>> *NOT* > >>> > >>> Positive to Negative. > >> > And Bob Shannon wrote: > > >>Totally irrelevant to the issue at hand. Both theories are in use > >>today. > > > > Maybe "conventions" or "notations" would be better words than "theories" > This would remove any conflict, as long as one knows the convention used. > The current is the same. > Both positive ions and electrons are involved within a battery, for example, > but that detail isn't seen at the terminals (Manganese ions do not flow from > the "positive" terminal of a dry cell). Semiconductor materials have > electrons pose as both type currents, of course. > > >It is not in any way "totally irrelevant to the issue at hand." BTW, a > >"theory" is a corroborated hypothesis. You cannot have two "theories" > >which have both been successfully corroborated and yet are opposite to one > >another. If you wish to be semantically/scientifically correct you can say > >"both hypotheses are in use today." > > > > > -Dave > That is correct. They are conventions. Every college EE student knows (or should know) that current flows from negative to positive. But for the sake of convention, it is often assumed that it goes the other way. The solutions to the problems still work out. Just like the assumption of reciprocity in Maxwell's equations and assuming nonexistent "perfect magnetic conductors" enabled researchers to design totally new types of antennas which actually work. In semiconductors, the negative carriers are referred to as "electrons" and the positive carriers are referred to as "holes". The holes flow in the opposite direction to that of the electrons. Again, with this assumption, the solutions work out. Zack From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Dec 19 20:25:37 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA06032; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 20:24:13 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 20:24:13 -0800 Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 23:16:10 -0500 (EST) From: John Schnurer To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com cc: Free NRG Group Subject: Re: A shorter, sharper spike? In-Reply-To: <199812200342.OAA10642@turbo.turboweb.net.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"cMUZh2.0.8U1.il7Vs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8130 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Dear Folks, This is a self induction method. It is an inductor and its inductance and distributed capacitance operates with the non linear load of the spark gap and gas. There are many avenues along these and other lines. See note below: On Sun, 20 Dec 1998, Allan Alderson wrote: > While reading my friends automotive `enhancement' book, I notice an > advertisement for small 2"-long devices which are meant to install pre > spark-plug. The device is claimed to increase the voltage of an ignition > coil by reducing the (arc) discharge time. > Any ideas how this works? Or is it really as the advt. says, part of a > "Top secret NASA Research" program? > There are no such NASA programs .... except a few military ones, not applicable to this issue. > Regards, > Allan. > > http://www.mpx.com.au/~adsaa > **** **** **** **** > Dogs have masters, > Cats have staff. > **** **** **** **** > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Dec 20 07:16:22 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id HAA30955; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 07:16:01 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 07:16:01 -0800 Message-ID: <367D15F0.4C24@lcia.com> Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 10:21:20 -0500 From: B25B@LCIA.COM (RON BRENNEN) Reply-To: b25b@LCIA.COM X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: A shorter, sharper spike? References: <199812200342.OAA10642@turbo.turboweb.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"jnXFf3.0.TZ7.mIHVs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8131 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Allan Alderson wrote: > > While reading my friends automotive `enhancement' book, I notice an > advertisement for small 2"-long devices which are meant to install pre > spark-plug. The device is claimed to increase the voltage of an ignition > coil by reducing the (arc) discharge time. > Any ideas how this works? Or is it really as the advt. says, part of a > "Top secret NASA Research" program? > > Regards, > Allan. In the past a popular device for increasing the voltage on the spark plugs was composed of a spark gap in series. Ron Brennen > http://www.mpx.com.au/~adsaa > **** **** **** **** > Dogs have masters, > Cats have staff. > **** **** **** **** > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Dec 20 07:56:44 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id HAA05382; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 07:56:41 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 07:56:41 -0800 Message-ID: <367D4537.2520@tiac.net> Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 10:43:03 -0800 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: "Newman´s own book shows mechanical NOT OU!" is UNTRUE! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"kf5T03.0.xJ1.vuHVs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8132 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Evan Soule wrote: > >I can dupilcate the rise if voltage of a 'dead' battery with a cheap > >Mabuci motor. > >Big deal. > > No, Bob, it IS a big deal. Consistently -- in ALL prototypes constructed, > the battery INCREASES during Motor/Generator operation. If you wish to see > data then read his book. If you don't, you won't. But Evan, the same phenomena has been documented with very small toy motors. So maybe its a bit deal, or maybe not. I've read (some time ago now) some reference to Ray-o-Vac's findings. What specifically rules uot shock excitation and related phenomena? > >The fact that the rotor slows in JLN's test, without external power > >applied, has nothing to do with the steady speed of Joe's demo Evan. > >You just dont get the science going on behind the different types of > >tests apparently. > > Apparently you do not understand what I have described above. I did not > state that Joe's demonstration was the same as JLN's self-running > demonstration. Understood. You countered my point by saying "In the present, ongoing, demonstration the motor turns at 130 rpms." This has absolutely nothing with JLN's testing data, which was the subject at hand. This is a Clintonesque evasion of the facts. > >I just don't beleive its over unity in either role. I further predict > >that the testing in Europe will finally resolve this point. > > > >Lets just wait and see. > > You are welcome to believe what you will. It is obvious that the > development of this technology will not depend upon yourself, but upon > those individuals who are willing to physicially build prototypes and > experiment on same. > > I would have more respect for your comments Bob if: > > 1) You had read (and mastered Joseph Newman's fundamental book). What I have read of it is demnstratably false, and indefensably wrong. Mr. Newman totally fails to address the many grave errors, or show the slightest sign of objectivity on those points. I'm done reading it. > 2) You have constructed and experimented with your own prototype(s). I have, as you well know, built at tested a simple experiment Mr. Newman claims if fundemental to his technology. This experiment clearly shows Mr. Newman has misinterpreted the experiment. This has been beaten to death here before, and Mr. Newman has totally failed to address the fact. There was a clear consensus on the two coil test, and the researchers in Europe agree that this demonstration shows only conventional phenomena. Newman is simply in error, and refuses to admit to it. (I wont use the adjective again) > 3) You had at least seen one of Joseph Newman's operational prototypes in > person. Given Mr. Newman's personality, what would be gained? Each demonstration is weaker than the last, and are clearly not designed to be technical presentation. I have no interest in seeing sheep shorn by someone so totally lacking in scientific objectivity. > By this Sunday, Joseph Newman will have demonstrated his newest prototype > for an entire WEEK --- from 1pm - 8pm every day. This is ample opportunity > for anyone to see the technology for themselves. Based on the reviews I've read, and the decades of changing the subject, failing to address conventional explainations of the phenomena, and constantly switching from technical points to leagalistic arguments, there is no good reason for me to bother attending such a demonstration. Maybe its time for Mr. Newman to run for office once again? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Dec 20 11:42:02 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA20750; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 11:41:48 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 11:41:48 -0800 From: bpaddock@csonline.net (Bob Paddock) Newsgroups: list.freenrg1 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: How To Measure Arc/Power (Newman?) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 13:45:20 -0500 Organization: is mostly via piles Reply-To: bpaddock@csonline.net Message-ID: Lines: 112 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.27Beta [95/NT] Resent-Message-ID: <"rGrpR3.0.745.xBLVs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8133 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com There as been some on going discussions for a LONG time now about how to measure energy in things involving spark gaps, arcs; such as in the J.Newman stuff, plasmas etc. Tho its not on line, http://www.astec.com/divisions/eni.html, has an application note "How To Measure An Arc: Techniques & Tools To Detect & Measure Arcs In DC Sputtering Applications" by Jeff Sellers, James Smith and Paul Miller, ENI. Some interesting things on how to measure the energy of complex wave forms can be found on line at http://www.lecroy.com. Search for the word "Power" in their search area. I don't recall the exact model number now but they make a specialized Oscilloscope that is meant for showing, and doing power calculations, with complex wave forms. There is a magazine called "PCIM: PowerConversion & Intelligent Motion", http://www.pcim.com or http://pcim.com, that covers the industry of power measurement and design. They generally cover the power supply and associated semiconductor areas, as well has how to measure complex signals. Trying to use a standard o'scope to do complex power measurements is the same as saying every job is a nail because the only tool you have is a hammer. Rather than just complain, I thought I might point out some solutions: The goal as I understand it, whether it is the Newman machine or some other device, is to measure its power consumption and production, in the end "Watts are Watts". By definition Watts are units of heat, so to truly measure power we should be measuring heat. The simplest technique would be to put a insulated power resistor in a tub of water and measure its tempature rise. While simple, and probably the ultimate end test, it as a few problems when dealing with lower energy levels. If you want to measure smaller energy levels that have complex wide band signals there are better, and drier techniques. Analog Devices, http://www.analog.com, puts out a book call "RMS to DC Conversion Application Guide", that covers the many ways of measuring complex wave form energy. In our applications here on Freenrg the only one that could be indisputably used is based on thermal tempature, rather than mathematical based ones. Linear Technologies, http://www.linear.com, Application note AN5 shows a simple low band width circuit that is not hard to duplicate using two resistors and two thermistors. This method involves comparing the heating value of an UNKNOWN AC (Our Arc, Plasma, Spark etc.) signal to a heating value of a KNOWN calibrated DC reference voltage. When the calibrated voltage reference is adjusted for null the temperature difference between the reference resistors and the signal resistor, the power dissipated in these two matched resistors will be equal. Therefore, by the basic definition of RMS, the value of the DC reference voltage will equal the RMS value of the unknown signal, no mater what the waveform is with in the limits of the bandwidth of the circuit. Linear Tech. has encapsulated the set up of power resistors and sensors in their LT1088 IC. Their App. Note #61 covers in detail a 0->1V/0->10 MHz thermal based RMS In to 0->10V DC Out converter. App. Note #22 should also be referenced. A concise summery of those App. Notes can be found on page 52 of Linear Technology Corp's "1996 High Speed Amplifier Solutions" guide. On page 53 of that same document appears "A 1% Accurate, Wideband Current Probe for LCD Backlight Measurements", it has circuitry of current prob, tho you still need the Tektronix P6021 'jaws', along with a calibrator circuit. By building two thermal based meter converters, one to measure the voltage and one to measure the current then by basic Ohms law we will at long last have P=E*I, based on heat measurements. No one should then be able to raise the question of "measurement error" for either the For or the Against side. I've thought of laying out a PC board for such a circuit as there are some complex signales I'd like to measure my self, if there is any interest in such contact me via e-mail off the list. -- For information on any of the following check out my WEB site at: http://www.biogate.com/bpaddock/ Chemical Free Air Conditioning/No CFC's, Chronic Pain Relief, Echofone, Electromedicine, Electronics, Explore!, Free Energy, Full Disclosure, KeelyNet, Matric Limited, Neurophone, Oil City PA, Philadelphia Experiment. http://www.uCOS-II.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Dec 20 13:15:56 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA12537; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 13:15:39 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 13:15:39 -0800 From: bpaddock@csonline.net (Bob Paddock) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Hydrogen Today Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 15:57:23 -0500 Organization: is mostly via piles Reply-To: bpaddock@csonline.net Message-ID: References: <3.0.5.32.19981207130047.008c8100@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19981207130047.008c8100@earthlink.net> Lines: 54 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.27Beta [95/NT] Resent-Message-ID: <"_-OfN.0.k33.xZMVs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8134 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >As you all may see, I am a staunch advocate of hydrogen. I personally see >the use of hydrogen as the medium of delivery of all energy, for all needs. > What do I mean by, "Medium of Delivery"? > >Hydrogen is the safest fuel known to man!!!!!!!! > >Bold statement? There are two problems you do not address with Hydrogen, one of them may be fatal miss information for some one here reading your message. >1. Hydrogen can easily be stored and shipped. One problems with Hydrogen is 'Embitterment', it tends to make almost every thing it comes into contact with brittle after a time. >It is done all the time and in every major city. The common misconception >is that hydrogen is explosive. Even in the case of the Hindenburg, it DID >NOT explode. It simply burnt. In the case of a ruptured storage tank, you >would see a large fire yes, but no explosion. When pure Hydrogen burns it burns in the Ultraviolet region of the spectrum, a Hydrogen fire is *COMPLETELY INVISIBLE* to the naked eye. If you have a high pressure Hydrogen leak feeding such a fire you could walk into it and slice your self in half before your could say "Ouch". >underground storage. If a leak were to occur, It would simply dissipate to >the open air. One way NASA detects Ruptured Hydrogen tanks is to rap fine wire around the tank. On the assumption that the wire will break at the point of rupture and/or fire and set up alarm and containment procedures. > If it were to ignite, there would be a plume of flame, >safely directed away form standers by, until valves could be closed. It is hard to direct what can not be seen in such a case. -- For information on any of the following check out my WEB site at: http://www.biogate.com/bpaddock/ Chemical Free Air Conditioning/No CFC's, Chronic Pain Relief, Echofone, Electromedicine, Electronics, Explore!, Free Energy, Full Disclosure, KeelyNet, Matric Limited, Neurophone, Oil City PA, Philadelphia Experiment. http://www.uCOS-II.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Dec 20 15:17:05 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA12229; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 15:16:49 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 15:16:49 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 18:26:43 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: Re: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Newman=B4s_own_book_shows_mechanical_NOT_OU=21=22?= is UNTRUE! Resent-Message-ID: <"EkBuP3.0.--2.XLOVs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8135 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >---cuts---- >....> "theory" is a corroborated hypothesis. You cannot have two "theories" >> which have both been successfully corroborated and yet are opposite to one >> another. > You can have as many theories as you want... Hypotheses can be useful, but I want sufficient theory to explain the universe. Beyond that, additional theories are unnecessary. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Dec 20 16:00:21 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA23190; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 16:00:13 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 16:00:13 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19981220190743.00c6c880@cnct.com> X-Sender: knagel@cnct.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 19:07:46 -0500 To: bpaddock@csonline.net From: Keith Nagel Subject: Re: How To Measure Arc/Power (Newman?) Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"WIiqJ.0.Fg5.D-OVs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8136 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 01:45 PM 12/20/98 -0500, you wrote: >Tho its not on line, >http://www.astec.com/divisions/eni.html, has an application >note "How To Measure An Arc: Techniques & Tools To Detect & >Measure Arcs In DC Sputtering Applications" by Jeff Sellers, >James Smith and Paul Miller, ENI. Thanx for the heads up, Bob. I found the sections regarding glow and "super" glow regions most interesting. I'm not sure I follow about it not being online, it certainly is. try www.enipower.com/tn2.htm for that app note. I do not understand the situation with Newman. I've been aware of him for a long time; as have we all. Periodically he surfaces, releasing a statement with language like the following... >>Moreover, the back voltage from the collapsing magnetic field is so high >>that a 2.25 inch SPARK repeatedly "jumps" from the ceramic insulators >>comprising a 15-lb capacitor to the metal housing the capacitor EVERY SEVEN >>SECONDS. THIS DEMONSTRATES THAT THE 5,000 VOLT CAPACITOR BECOMES >>OVERCHARGED REPEATEDLY - EVEN THOUGH ONLY 100 WATTS ARE INPUTED FROM THE >>D.C. BATTERY PACK! and a general appeal for alms. Heated discussion ensues, and no further facts are provided to substantiate a claim (as in the above). And this is not so exotic a thing to measure, a simple differential measurement of the cap poles with respect to the case would determine the state of charge of the floating cap. It sure sounds like neither pole is tied to the cap case; why? If he really wanted to float it, why not insulate the case and tie one pole to it? No voltage is measured (forget about spark length, in this case it tells us nothing about potential difference developed), even the capacity of the cap is ignored. Hey, for about 10 dollars he could build a calibrated sparkgap; placed between the cap poles he could easily prove a real potential is present, and measure it pretty accurately. But he does not. It surprises Evan that people are hostile to attending a demonstration; well somehow most list members manage to provide sufficient information to establish a claim. So how about it Evan. If JLN and SH can, why can't you? K. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Dec 20 17:04:24 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA05536; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 17:04:14 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 17:04:14 -0800 From: bpaddock@csonline.net (Bob Paddock) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: How To Measure Arc/Power (Newman?) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 20:00:51 -0500 Organization: is mostly via piles Reply-To: bpaddock@csonline.net Message-ID: References: <3.0.32.19981220190743.00c6c880@cnct.com> In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19981220190743.00c6c880@cnct.com> Lines: 23 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.27Beta [95/NT] Resent-Message-ID: <"SfvGv2.0.PM1.EwPVs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8137 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >>Tho its not on line, >>http://www.astec.com/divisions/eni.html, has an application >>note "How To Measure An Arc: Techniques & Tools To Detect & >>Measure Arcs In DC Sputtering Applications" by Jeff Sellers, >>James Smith and Paul Miller, ENI. > > >Thanx for the heads up, Bob. I found the sections regarding >glow and "super" glow regions most interesting. I'm not sure >I follow about it not being online, it certainly is. try > >www.enipower.com/tn2.htm > >for that app note. Thanks for finding that, I could not find it from the original Astec site link. The Glow's have different names depending on what area you approach it form, such as "Abnormal Glow". From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Dec 20 17:30:31 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA13125; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 17:30:25 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 17:30:25 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19981220203705.00c711b0@cnct.com> X-Sender: knagel@cnct.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 20:38:00 -0500 To: bpaddock@csonline.net From: Keith Nagel Subject: Re: How To Measure Arc/Power (Newman?) Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"YsuIQ.0.qC3.mIQVs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8138 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 08:00 PM 12/20/98 -0500, you wrote: > >The Glow's have different names depending on what area you >approach it form, such as "Abnormal Glow". > Yes, I wonder if the power controllers mentioned at the site would be sufficient to maintain a discharge in this "Abnormal" regime? What's Correa up to these days? K. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Dec 20 22:33:57 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA01896; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 22:33:45 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 22:33:45 -0800 Message-ID: <00cd01be2cab$9d0f2dc0$1cea39cc@default> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: How To Measure Arc/Power (Newman?) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 22:31:56 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"Xe5aF3.0.XT.8lUVs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8139 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com > >Yes, I wonder if the power controllers mentioned at >the site would be sufficient to maintain a discharge >in this "Abnormal" regime? What's Correa up to these >days? Yes I was wondering that as well. Has anyone heard from them recently? Anybody have contact information? I have an idea to start a group studying arc-based overunity and they would be important contributors. Their ideas seem to have been in a fairly advanced state of development (3 patents, good test results). Does anyone know what has kept them from marketing their device? Or maybe they are and I just haven't heard... Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Dec 20 23:42:04 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id XAA06976; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 23:41:39 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 23:41:39 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <00d701be2cb4$5c929bc0$1cea39cc@default> From: "Fred Epps" To: "Free Energy" Subject: The Correas Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 23:33:20 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-7" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"WSOYA.0.vi1.nkVVs"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8140 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com I said, about the Correas, Yes I was wondering that as well. Has anyone heard from them recently? Anybody have contact information? I found their site again, The last itme I looked I couldn't find it. It is at: http://www.globalserve.net/+AH4-lambdac/frame2HOME.html probably my screwy email program has turned the tilde in the above URL into a monstrosity surrounded by plus signs so take that into account.. Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Dec 21 00:57:55 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id AAA25084; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 00:57:46 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 00:57:46 -0800 From: trknute@earthlink.net Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981209075725.008e86b0@earthlink.net> X-Sender: trknute@earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 07:57:25 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Hydrogen Today In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.5.32.19981207130047.008c8100@earthlink.net> <3.0.5.32.19981207130047.008c8100@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"w5aey1.0.r76.AsWVs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8141 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 03:57 PM 12/20/98 -0500, you wrote: >>As you all may see, I am a staunch advocate of hydrogen. I personally see >>the use of hydrogen as the medium of delivery of all energy, for all needs. >> What do I mean by, "Medium of Delivery"? >> >>Hydrogen is the safest fuel known to man!!!!!!!! >> >>Bold statement? > > >There are two problems you do not address with Hydrogen, one >of them may be fatal miss information for some one here >reading your message. > >>1. Hydrogen can easily be stored and shipped. Only Neicien Hydrogewn can imbritial, and this type of imbritelment is a result of an electrolitic reaction of sulphur and oxygen in the enclusoins of metals, these issues are well delt with by aloys developed in the 1920s in germany.. Read. > >One problems with Hydrogen is 'Embitterment', it tends to >make almost every thing it comes into contact with brittle >after a time. > >>It is done all the time and in every major city. The common misconception >>is that hydrogen is explosive. Even in the case of the Hindenburg, it DID >>NOT explode. It simply burnt. In the case of a ruptured storage tank, you >>would see a large fire yes, but no explosion. > > >When pure Hydrogen burns it burns in the Ultraviolet region >of the spectrum, a Hydrogen fire is *COMPLETELY INVISIBLE* >to the naked eye. If you have a high pressure Hydrogen >leak feeding such a fire you could walk into it and slice your >self in half before your could say "Ouch". Bullshit!!!! Only when a pure mixture of H and O are combined will you ever see this type od flame. invisable to the eye. In a nittrogen rich environment you will get a broght orange color!!!!!! > > >>underground storage. If a leak were to occur, It would simply dissipate to >>the open air. > >One way NASA detects Ruptured Hydrogen tanks is to rap fine >wire around the tank. On the assumption that the wire will >break at the point of rupture and/or fire and set up alarm >and containment procedures. LPG, Propaine, Hydrogen tanks are used every where and everyday!!!!!!!!!! there are no such precausions mandated!!!!!! Nasa refueling contains enough power at the launch pad to take out New York city!!! That is why they take the extrordinary safty precausoins!!!! These laws that I speak are on the books! Proper storage and use of hydrogen is well established and regulated.. I have survived nmany hydrogen explosions the flame front passes over you, you bleat a bit from the ears, and you have to put out your hair! then you walk into the house and take a bath, and see your barber. Now what would be the same event if you replaced this with 20 gallons og gasoline? > >> If it were to ignite, there would be a plume of flame, >>safely directed away form standers by, until valves could be closed. > >It is hard to direct what can not be seen in such a case. Once again BULLSHIT! TR Knudtson > > > >-- >For information on any of the following check out my WEB site at: > http://www.biogate.com/bpaddock/ >Chemical Free Air Conditioning/No CFC's, Chronic Pain Relief, Echofone, >Electromedicine, Electronics, Explore!, Free Energy, Full Disclosure, >KeelyNet, Matric Limited, Neurophone, Oil City PA, Philadelphia Experiment. > http://www.uCOS-II.com > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Dec 21 08:56:08 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id IAA12439; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 08:55:29 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 08:55:29 -0800 From: "Stefano Innocenti" To: "freenrg-l" , "energy21" Subject: New (?) site about Tesla and Free-Energy Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 17:51:19 +0100 Message-ID: <01be2d02$222e5980$3900fd80@zio-stefo> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"JNfLR.0.723.0sdVs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8142 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hello List! I have found this site about Tesla ... I found it quite interesting... http://pages.prodigy.net/onichelson Stefano Innocenti From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Dec 21 19:22:22 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA03106; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 19:20:56 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 19:20:56 -0800 Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 22:12:48 -0500 (EST) From: John Schnurer To: free E Subject: Experimental electrolysis electrodes (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"BcwWo3.0.Im.M0nVs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8143 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 22:12:22 -0500 (EST) From: John Schnurer To: John Schnurer Subject: Experimental electrolysis electrodes Dear Folks, Some associates of mine are developing some proprietary experimental electrodes for water electrolysis. No OU claims, we are just trying to up efficiency....we don't have figures yet. The proprietary aspect is the method of manufacture. They and I can create electrodes with several types of materials. Metals, oxides and catalysts are some of the materials. Mostly we are doing 'requests' or you can use what we are trying, usually Fe, Pt, Mo, Mn ... and so on. The method is not cheap at present but we hope to lower costs in volume. BUT: We don't know what materials are best... yet. If you want to work with us, here at the beginning, contact me off line and we can possibly create from your target materials, or you can purchase some of the ones we are trying. This is sort of a cooperative 'bootstrap' effort. We have one material set which demonstrates gas evolution starting at 500 to 550 millivolts.... we are getting this with Mn, Fe and Ni as starting materials.... too soon to tell which is "best"... The electrolyte chemistry also plays a part and we have some additives which can reduce the gas insulating effect. Proceeds go to improving our knowledge, this is the 'bootstrap' part. If an when we get something in the 80% or better range, then we will try to go into production and everyone can have H and O materials. We would also like to hear what you think a good way to measure efficiency is. The method we are to be using is graduated cyliders to collect the gas, batteries to run the thing and voltage and current measurement directly at the battery, this way any losses in controls circuitry are reflected in the whole. JHS From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Dec 21 23:56:22 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id XAA07161; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 23:56:13 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 23:56:13 -0800 From: MKSBoysal@aol.com Message-ID: <8be43bc6.367f505f@aol.com> Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 02:55:11 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Experimental electrolysis electrodes (fwd) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"Ag_Ar1.0.ll1.S2rVs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8144 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi John, Are you guys trying to increase mileage on a gas powered autos? I may have few neat ideas about your project. So please update me what you up to and gladly I will share my thoughts in case I see any improvement in your project. Good fortune and much success. MKSB > Date: 12/21/98 8:26:46 PM Mountain Standard Time > From: herman@antioch-college.edu (John r) > Reply-to: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com (free E) > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 22:12:22 -0500 (EST) > From: John Schnurer > To: John Schnurer > Subject: Experimental electrolysis electrodes > > > Dear Folks, > > Some associates of mine are developing some proprietary > experimental electrodes for water electrolysis. No OU claims, we are just > trying to up efficiency....we don't have figures yet. The proprietary > aspect is the method of manufacture. They and I can create electrodes > with several types of materials. Metals, oxides and catalysts are some of > the materials. Mostly we are doing 'requests' or you can use what we are > trying, usually Fe, Pt, Mo, Mn ... and so on. The method is not cheap at > present but we hope to lower costs in volume. BUT: We don't know what > materials are best... yet. > If you want to work with us, here at the beginning, contact me off > line and we can possibly create from your target materials, or you can > purchase some of the ones we are trying. This is sort of a cooperative > 'bootstrap' effort. We have one material set which demonstrates gas > evolution starting at 500 to 550 millivolts.... we are getting this with > Mn, Fe and Ni as starting materials.... too soon to tell which is > "best"... > The electrolyte chemistry also plays a part and we have some > additives which can reduce the gas insulating effect. > Proceeds go to improving our knowledge, this is the 'bootstrap' > part. If an when we get something in the 80% or better range, then we > will try to go into production and everyone can have H and O materials. > We would also like to hear what you think a good way to measure > efficiency is. The method we are to be using is graduated cyliders to > collect the gas, batteries to run the thing and voltage and current > measurement directly at the battery, this way any losses in controls > circuitry are reflected in the whole. > > JHS > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Dec 22 15:53:00 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA13429; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 15:52:50 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 15:52:50 -0800 Message-ID: Priority: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 To: "FreeEnergyList" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Garry Whitman" Subject: Newman Demo Date: Tue, 22 Dec 98 06:58:50 PST Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"DqNZj1.0.kH3.H33Ws"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8145 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Evan, Could you please give a short summary on the Demo now that it has concluded. Where is Joe's machine in relation to market, function, and cost effectiveness. Also could you list any major improvements since his last public demo. Thank You Garry From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Dec 23 14:16:17 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA04370; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:16:01 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:16:01 -0800 Reply-To: From: "Joe Callus" To: Subject: RE: Christmas presents (fwd) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 17:12:06 -0500 Message-ID: <000301be2ec1$d04fa940$381c21a1@old> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"doJJj1.0.941.VkMWs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8146 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi John: I am interested... I am looking for a ELF generator that runs on AC and DC current that is tuned to the Shuman Response but also tunable to other frequencies that are marked on a scale. I have seen units like this in the past that are capable of generating an ELF covering a field over a 40 foot diameter. I wish I had purchased it when I originally saw it as it is no longer available. I am not sure of the technical details but I think it is something that is used in Bob Decks work with ELF. Let me know if you understand what I am talking about. joe callus -----Original Message----- From: John Schnurer [mailto:herman@antioch-college.edu] Sent: Friday, December 18, 1998 12:12 PM To: free E Subject: Christmas presents (fwd) Dear Folks, I am building a few ELF VLF front ends for detecting sferic and whistlers and so on. Basically two types, although a hybrid can be produced if desired; 1] input is coil or inductor.... which can be shielded for a magnetic and-or EM sensing ... if electrostatically shielded the you get the magnetic component, mostly. 2] charge ... or electrostatic. These are built up one at a time, by hand, and usually customized to user's needs. Not cheap, but work well.... these are high end gizmos! Buy your mad scientist a present, and help me to continue research! I also build some low end ones... good for starting out. Contact me off line if interested. Other detector and transducers per request... JS From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 24 01:50:41 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id BAA03369; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 01:50:22 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 01:50:22 -0800 From: MKSBoysal@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 04:49:48 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: 2.564.00 lbs. of free energy every 1 minute Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"En_3Y1.0.Yq.UvWWs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8147 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi every one, I have a question for you, I have a working free energy machine, that beyond the uses, of its own energy (utilized gravity power) puts out excess (left over) power, that lifts up more then 2,564,00 lbs. 2.1/2 inch (two and half inches) high every 70 seconds or so. Nothing magic to it, it's a crude and ugly looking machine 10'high and 6' wide with wires and cable pullers so forth. Its a conventional physics nothing more then that, that pounds like a heart, up and down. So back to the question again: So much weight and so little height, is there is a way how this power (weight) can be converted in to an electricity? Thanks, guys and lady's MKSB From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 24 02:47:22 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id CAA08354; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 02:47:10 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 02:47:10 -0800 From: "Martin" To: Cc: , "KeelyNet" Subject: Merry Christmas Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 11:25:11 +0200 Message-ID: <01be2f1f$4dfbecc0$LocalHost@Martin.icon.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0049_01BE2F30.1184BCC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"11FUr2.0.N22.kkXWs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8148 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01BE2F30.1184BCC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Merry Christmas Towards a better future. 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------=_NextPart_000_0049_01BE2F30.1184BCC0-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 24 04:12:18 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id EAA20575; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 04:12:10 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 04:12:10 -0800 Message-ID: <36823078.7CD0A60B@GroupZ.net> Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 07:15:52 -0500 From: sno X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: 2.564.00 lbs. of free energy every 1 minute References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"eTaVP.0.M15.Q-YWs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8149 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com one pound-ft/sec equals 1.355818 watts aprox.....hope this helps...would like more info on your machine...steve opelc MKSBoysal@aol.com wrote: > > Hi every one, > I have a question for you, I have a working free energy machine, that beyond > the uses, of its own energy (utilized gravity power) puts out excess (left > over) power, that lifts up more then 2,564,00 lbs. 2.1/2 inch (two and half > inches) high every 70 seconds or so. Nothing magic to it, it's a crude and > ugly looking machine 10'high and 6' wide with wires and cable pullers so > forth. Its a conventional physics nothing more then that, that pounds like a > heart, up and down. > > So back to the question again: So much weight and so little height, is there > is a way > how this power (weight) can be converted in to an electricity? > > Thanks, guys and lady's > > MKSB From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 24 07:39:12 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id HAA27032; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 07:39:00 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 07:39:00 -0800 Message-ID: <36826157.193C@lcia.com> Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 10:44:24 -0500 From: B25B@LCIA.COM (RON BRENNEN) Reply-To: b25b@LCIA.COM X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: 2.564.00 lbs. of free energy every 1 minute References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"BM04Q2.0.Ac6.K0cWs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8150 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com MKSBoysal@aol.com wrote: > > Hi every one, > I have a question for you, I have a working free energy machine, that beyond > the uses, of its own energy (utilized gravity power) puts out excess (left > over) power, that lifts up more then 2,564,00 lbs. 2.1/2 inch (two and half > inches) high every 70 seconds or so. Nothing magic to it, it's a crude and > ugly looking machine 10'high and 6' wide with wires and cable pullers so > forth. Its a conventional physics nothing more then that, that pounds like a > heart, up and down. > > So back to the question again: So much weight and so little height, is there > is a way > how this power (weight) can be converted in to an electricity? > > Thanks, guys and lady's > > MKSB Can you send a rough sketch of the machine so we can see what can be done about making electricity? Regards, Ron Brennen From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 24 08:08:24 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id IAA04893; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 08:08:22 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 08:08:22 -0800 From: PetMagic@aol.com Message-ID: <16319778.368266d3@aol.com> Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 11:07:47 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: 2.564.00 lbs. of free energy every 1 minute Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 236 Resent-Message-ID: <"j9_Tr3.0.LC1.sRcWs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8151 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com In a message dated 12/24/98 4:55:43 AM Eastern Standard Time, MKSBoysal@aol.com writes: << I have a question for you, I have a working free energy machine, that beyond the uses, of its own energy (utilized gravity power) puts out excess (left over) power, that lifts up more then 2,564,00 lbs. 2.1/2 inch (two and half inches) high every 70 seconds or so. Nothing magic to it, it's a crude and ugly looking machine 10'high and 6' wide with wires and cable pullers >> 40 watts for a monster machine is not all that great. It is the equivalent to be pumping a stationary bike with generator alternator attached really hard ... Conversion of the slow movement to 3000 rpm will produce further losses. Of course, now that you have that monster ... It will keep your laptop humming while you enjoy post-y2k living.... Just get an automotive alternator and rig up mechanical convesion to 3000 rpm via belts and pulleys . Peter From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 24 10:06:43 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA00900; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 10:06:33 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 10:06:33 -0800 From: JNaudin509@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 13:04:08 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Merry Christmas Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 141 Resent-Message-ID: <"2Y-DR3.0.vD.fAeWs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8152 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Dear All, I wish you Merry Christmas 1998, Peace and Free Energy for all the world... Best Regards, Jean-Louis Naudin From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 24 10:34:10 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA09421; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 10:34:08 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 10:34:08 -0800 Message-ID: <000e01be2f6b$b4d7cbc0$81fd07d0@r.davis> Reply-To: "R. A. Davis" From: "R. A. Davis" To: "Free Energy" Subject: Re: INEXHAUSTIBLE, SELF-REPLENISHING SOURCE OF FREE ENERGY: Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 13:32:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000B_01BE2F41.CC01C3C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"pVXMv.0.6J2.WaeWs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8153 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01BE2F41.CC01C3C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable unconditional love. Happy Holidays, Richard Alan Davis ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01BE2F41.CC01C3C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_000B_01BE2F41.CC01C3C0-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 24 12:58:01 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA13985; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 12:57:44 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 12:57:44 -0800 Message-ID: <3682C60B.F0E49904@sunherald.infi.net> Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 14:54:03 -0800 From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vortexb-l@eskimo.com, Freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Have a Merry Christmas Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"1ydib1.0.HQ3.8hgWs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8154 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Vo-B: Have a good Christmas, and a good new year. Best regards, Kyle R. Mcallister From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 24 13:27:49 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA21167; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 13:27:43 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 13:27:43 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 16:37:37 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: Happy Holidays! Resent-Message-ID: <"JE9Yb1.0.eA5.E7hWs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8155 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com "Nature and Nature's Laws lay hid in night. God said, 'Let Newton Be' and all was Light." --- Alexander Pope Best wishes to everyone for a very Merry Christmas and a Happy Newton Day! Evan Soule' From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 24 14:55:13 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA17615; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 14:55:06 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 14:55:06 -0800 Old-X-Envelope-To: Message-ID: <005901be2da3$eb1391c0$6d8219d4@vramos.ctv.es> From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Vicente_Jos=E9_Ramos_Orenga?=" To: Subject: MERRY CHRISTMAS Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 13:09:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0056_01BE2DAC.4AE99740" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"bbw2G2.0.8J4.APiWs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8156 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0056_01BE2DAC.4AE99740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY NEW YEAR VICENTE. ------=_NextPart_000_0056_01BE2DAC.4AE99740 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0056_01BE2DAC.4AE99740-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 24 17:49:20 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA21400; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 17:47:53 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 17:47:53 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 17:47:44 -0800 (PST) From: William Beaty Reply-To: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com cc: MKSBoysal@aol.com Subject: Re: 2.564.00 lbs. of free energy every 1 minute In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"Qc2Xn3.0.7E5.6xkWs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8157 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Thu, 24 Dec 1998 MKSBoysal@aol.com wrote: > > Hi every one, > I have a question for you, I have a working free energy machine, that beyond > the uses, of its own energy (utilized gravity power) puts out excess (left > over) power, that lifts up more then 2,564,00 lbs. 2.1/2 inch (two and half > inches) high every 70 seconds or so. The same problem is encountered in wave power systems and low-head hydro power. Perhaps you could lift and lower an equivalent water tank, then use the changing pressure at the bottom with respect to a resevoir tank. A hose connection between the tank bottoms could drive a little turbine, and you'd have a simple demonstration-power source. I hope that you're thinking of going after one of the various "Free Energy" prizes. If somebody managed to win one of them, the whole field would start to be taken seriously. ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com www.eskimo.com/~billb EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 24 21:18:41 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA06470; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 21:17:11 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 21:17:11 -0800 From: HLafonte@aol.com Message-ID: <510b435a.36831f45@aol.com> Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 00:14:45 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Merry Christmas Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 49 Resent-Message-ID: <"sIs0I3.0.xa1.N_nWs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8158 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Merry Christmas everyone, and let's hope next year at this time the lights on our Christmas trees and in our homes will be powered by free energy. Regards, Butch LaFonte From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 24 22:15:48 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA17660; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 22:14:24 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 22:14:24 -0800 From: MKSBoysal@aol.com Message-ID: <6254d3c9.36832d12@aol.com> Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 01:13:38 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: 2,564,00 lbs free energy plans for you: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"gi66B2.0.qJ4.0roWs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8159 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com I like to thank all of you but most specially to: Steve Opelc, Stefan, Michael Randal, Rob Brennen, Peter and William J. Beaty. For your comments, you guys took your time to reply to my question which was: (So much weight and so little height, is there is a way how this power (weight) can be converted in to an electricity?) Took me something like 10 years to figure this out, but here is the basic formula of the machine if you like to build one for yourself. Heart of the machine is small 3 or 6 speed transaxle, get one from local junk yard comes from a small tractor. (manual stick shift transmission box) mount drums on in put shaft and axles you can use both axles or one don't matter. mount this box on top of the strong metal frame box 8' to 10' high (Higher you go more energy will be available, work safe) get a believer (positive minded person) friend to help you. Then try to play or get to know your machine, very importunate for your safety. Next what you do drill few holes on those drums size of the cable you are going to use for your weights. The purpose of this metal frame and small tractor transmission on top of it is used to manipulate 2 different weights that are attached input ant the out put of this transmission. ( took me long time to tune this monster up) You can use, like 1st and 2nd gears or 2 nd and 3 rd gears together. Lets say between your first and the second gear, or for example 1st 60 to 1; 2nd 46 to 1; the gear ratio difference between these two gears is 14 times difference, right. The whole point what I am trying to say is this, you need to know the gear ratio difference between two gears so you can determine right amount of weight to oscillate up and down. When you know your transmission well, ratio and stuff will be so easy to determine the right gears and amount of weights you wish to use it. I am giving you the formula so you can figure out what you wish to do with it. You could be one who owns a machine shop and you may want to make a system that can handle lets say 20,000 lb. or even more weights. Once you know the inside information go and do what ever you like to do it. So come back where we left it off; Once you have the right weights for the transmission you are using it, next you test your system, make sure you have some rubber materials during the testing period until you decide what kind of work your machine should do it for you. The most safest way to experiment is to use small weights to see how this operation takes place, then you can go about and increase the weights. Your first goal should be this: By shifting lets say from 1st gear to 3rd you should be able to see (smaller weight) at the input shaft of the transmission and larger weight at the out put of the transmission to go up and down. As you know the small weight will do the longer traveling then axle or output weight will barely move. this could be from few to 10 to 20 inches depending on your gear ratio and the height of your framing materials. Now please remember up to this point everything is manually shift: This is how to automate your system: From this point on see how you can make your machine to change the gears by itself? Well, there many different ways to do this, clutch or break wires or they also called control cables. You need two sets of them one will be used to change the gear as preferably lighter weight will go down, and with same manner your lighter weight will push a some kind of metal bar that will cause the control cable to change the gear opposite direction. And once you do this you'll need to perfecting your system, don't give it because this could be hardest part of the operation, but it is the most rewarding experience to see your own perpetual weight machine in action, working. You may lost yourself as you'll be gazing upon this gizmo. That's it guys. I know some of you got the idea from the beginning and some of you might say I got nothing out of this. Well, I used most simple terms in my own way to explain the heart of the operation of this machine, as some of you asked how is working and what does it drive? ( This was Stefan's question) I have countless drawings but all are done by hand none of them are complete. One of these days I might try to do a complete one to send some of you guys. Visual people who gets the pic. once they see it... (like me :-)... ) Marry Christmas to all of you. MKSB. Anyway, If you need specific help send me direct email to: mksboysal@aol.com and I will help you to build one too. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 24 22:38:53 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA22665; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 22:38:47 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 22:38:47 -0800 Message-ID: <005d01be2fd1$3a9b9e20$81a9f0cf@default> From: "mrand@access" To: Subject: Re: Merry Christmas Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 22:38:42 -0800 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"9INjb.0.2Y5.sBpWs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8160 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >Dear All, > >I wish you Merry Christmas 1998, Peace and Free Energy for all the world... Thank you, and I wish you and All a Happy New Year! Looking forward to powering our homes and cars with Free Energy in 1999 8^) >Best Regards, > >Jean-Louis Naudin Best Regards, Michael Randall From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 24 22:53:51 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA25587; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 22:53:49 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 22:53:49 -0800 Message-ID: <36833788.C9D8B3A2@GroupZ.net> Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 01:58:17 -0500 From: sno X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: 2,564,00 lbs free energy plans for you: References: <6254d3c9.36832d12@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"DpvKR3.0.iF6.zPpWs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8161 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sorry don't see it, I can see how the smaller weight falling through longer distance can cause the larger weight to raise a small amount, depending on gear ratio....but then how does the smaller weight get back up..??.... if someone understands this can they put something up on web..??... MKS...do you have a scanner, that you can scan and make a file out of one of your drawings and send as attachment ..???.....steve > The whole point what I am trying to say is this, you need to know the gear > ratio difference between two gears so you can determine right amount of weight > to oscillate up and down. When you know your transmission well, ratio and > stuff will be so easy to determine the right gears and amount of weights you > wish to use it. > > I am giving you the formula so you can figure out what you wish to do with it. > You could be one who owns a machine shop and you may want to make a system > that can handle lets say 20,000 lb. or even more weights. Once you know the > inside information go and do what ever you like to do it. > ur first goal should be this: By shifting lets say from 1st gear to 3rd you > should be able to see (smaller weight) at the input shaft of the transmission > and larger weight at the out put of the transmission to go up and down. As you > know the small weight will do the longer traveling then axle or output weight > will barely move. this could be from few to 10 to 20 inches depending on your > gear ratio and the height of your framing materials. > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Dec 25 08:53:59 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id IAA02166; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 08:53:48 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 08:53:48 -0800 Message-ID: <001d01be3027$226d5180$5dfaf0cf@default> From: "mrand@access" To: Subject: Re: New (?) site about Tesla and Free-Energy Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 08:53:06 -0800 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"vz6pV1.0.hX.SCyWs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8162 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thank you, yes it is an interesting site! Did you order the additional info from PACE? This looks to be new info from Tesla on tapping the "ambient medium" for mechanical and electrical energy output. Regards, Michael Randall >Hello List! > >I have found this site about Tesla ... >I found it quite interesting... > > > > >http://pages.prodigy.net/onichelson > > > >Stefano Innocenti > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Dec 25 09:16:23 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA10664; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 09:16:21 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 09:16:21 -0800 X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAjRKwXyUYWtPJ/EtNCqRzOHT+WyUCFQCg0NlrEafnqvin0NgCVQohCbuCYg== From: dennisgarrett@webtv.net (Dennis Garrett) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 09:16:19 -0800 (PST) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Merry Christmas Message-ID: <22055-3683C863-61@mailtod-171.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "mrand@access" 's message of Thu, 24 Dec 1998 22:38:42 -0800 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"3XHbV2.0.Xc2.bXyWs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8163 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com happy holidays to everyone. may the new year bring all the best! The Garretts Dennis Diana Charles (20 mos.) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Dec 25 15:08:31 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA05895; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 15:08:22 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 15:08:22 -0800 X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhR1zwztPf/U2xGDAkbLCq3k+Jm52QIUJsK8TyiuwvJvfKNZF70nxZwTIfA= From: B777b77@webtv.net (R B) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 18:08:20 -0500 (EST) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: 2,564,00 lbs free energy plans for you: Message-ID: <24293-36841AE4-84@mailtod-151.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: MKSBoysal@aol.com's message of Fri, 25 Dec 1998 01:13:38 EST Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=WebTV-Mail-298958080-43 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"qjFst3.0.yR1.bh1Xs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8164 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com --WebTV-Mail-298958080-43 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MKS, Trying to understand your machine . Lets see if I'm close. You have the trans in first gear and the smaller weight on the input falls say 8 feet lifting the larger weight on the output a small distance. Then the smaller input weight reaching the bottom hits a lever changing the trans to a different gear say, 2nd or 3rd, does the larger weight now pull the smaller one back up the entire 8 feet to then be restarted over by changing the trans back to the first gear? Thanks RB --WebTV-Mail-298958080-43 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from mailsorter-101.iap.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.91) by postoffice-151.iap.bryant.webtv.net; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 22:14:29 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.eskimo.com (mx1.eskimo.com [204.122.16.48]) by mailsorter-101.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.graham.14Aug97) with ESMTP id WAA06116; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 22:14:27 -0800 (PST) Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA17672; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 22:14:25 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 22:14:25 -0800 From: MKSBoysal@aol.com Message-ID: <6254d3c9.36832d12@aol.com> Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 01:13:38 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: 2,564,00 lbs free energy plans for you: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"gi66B2.0.qJ4.0roWs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8159 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com I like to thank all of you but most specially to: Steve Opelc, Stefan, Michael Randal, Rob Brennen, Peter and William J. Beaty. For your comments, you guys took your time to reply to my question which was: (So much weight and so little height, is there is a way how this power (weight) can be converted in to an electricity?) Took me something like 10 years to figure this out, but here is the basic formula of the machine if you like to build one for yourself. Heart of the machine is small 3 or 6 speed transaxle, get one from local junk yard comes from a small tractor. (manual stick shift transmission box) mount drums on in put shaft and axles you can use both axles or one don't matter. mount this box on top of the strong metal frame box 8' to 10' high (Higher you go more energy will be available, work safe) get a believer (positive minded person) friend to help you. Then try to play or get to know your machine, very importunate for your safety. Next what you do drill few holes on those drums size of the cable you are going to use for your weights. The purpose of this metal frame and small tractor transmission on top of it is used to manipulate 2 different weights that are attached input ant the out put of this transmission. ( took me long time to tune this monster up) You can use, like 1st and 2nd gears or 2 nd and 3 rd gears together. Lets say between your first and the second gear, or for example 1st 60 to 1; 2nd 46 to 1; the gear ratio difference between these two gears is 14 times difference, right. The whole point what I am trying to say is this, you need to know the gear ratio difference between two gears so you can determine right amount of weight to oscillate up and down. When you know your transmission well, ratio and stuff will be so easy to determine the right gears and amount of weights you wish to use it. I am giving you the formula so you can figure out what you wish to do with it. You could be one who owns a machine shop and you may want to make a system that can handle lets say 20,000 lb. or even more weights. Once you know the inside information go and do what ever you like to do it. So come back where we left it off; Once you have the right weights for the transmission you are using it, next you test your system, make sure you have some rubber materials during the testing period until you decide what kind of work your machine should do it for you. The most safest way to experiment is to use small weights to see how this operation takes place, then you can go about and increase the weights. Your first goal should be this: By shifting lets say from 1st gear to 3rd you should be able to see (smaller weight) at the input shaft of the transmission and larger weight at the out put of the transmission to go up and down. As you know the small weight will do the longer traveling then axle or output weight will barely move. this could be from few to 10 to 20 inches depending on your gear ratio and the height of your framing materials. Now please remember up to this point everything is manually shift: This is how to automate your system: From this point on see how you can make your machine to change the gears by itself? Well, there many different ways to do this, clutch or break wires or they also called control cables. You need two sets of them one will be used to change the gear as preferably lighter weight will go down, and with same manner your lighter weight will push a some kind of metal bar that will cause the control cable to change the gear opposite direction. And once you do this you'll need to perfecting your system, don't give it because this could be hardest part of the operation, but it is the most rewarding experience to see your own perpetual weight machine in action, working. You may lost yourself as you'll be gazing upon this gizmo. That's it guys. I know some of you got the idea from the beginning and some of you might say I got nothing out of this. Well, I used most simple terms in my own way to explain the heart of the operation of this machine, as some of you asked how is working and what does it drive? ( This was Stefan's question) I have countless drawings but all are done by hand none of them are complete. One of these days I might try to do a complete one to send some of you guys. Visual people who gets the pic. once they see it... (like me :-)... ) Marry Christmas to all of you. MKSB. Anyway, If you need specific help send me direct email to: mksboysal@aol.com and I will help you to build one too. --WebTV-Mail-298958080-43-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Dec 25 17:05:36 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA30265; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 17:05:27 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 17:05:27 -0800 Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 03:07:05 -0200 (GMT) Message-Id: <199812260507.DAA16316@zeus.starnet.com.eg> From: issam To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com; Subject: A Baby's Misery Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"mheFk2.0.nO7.NP3Xs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8165 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com A Baby's Misery Praise is due to Allah that can not thank anybody on misery save He alone My misery began from the birth of my child Islam who suffered from limbs paralysis. He was born on 23-8-1987 , and was admitted to Mansoura University lospita at the day of birth and stayed there for treatment, then he got out with the same disease without any progrcss. Also I kept going to professors of brain and nerves in Cairo with no progress then , I travoled to Saudi Arabia to work and i was responsible for his care and his treatment with no one's help, that he has sonseless urination and stool.And I brought him the diapers of TENA ART 71 01 0036 PCS/ST I TENA MADE IN SWEDEN SMALL 50-80 OR BIGER But The Company was closed and I returned back to Egypt and this was God's will. Now, I am in a misery that there is diapers,and sometimes I found it in fee- area in Port- Said in high costs as I need more than 120 diapers per month I have made a chair for him when I was in Saudia Arabia, but now it doesn't work and he needs another special one and diapcrs. I hope that someone can help me by having a special chair or diapers or treating him in a special centre. Thanks for every body who can help in making my family smiles again. The child's father Esam El-Dean Mostafa Orabi egypt domyatt Calling from abroad :002-057-660119 E-mail aljohar@starnet.com.eg --------------------------------------- EL BATOUTY CENTER RHEUMATOLOGY PHYSIOTHERAPY & COMPUTERISED EMG PROF.DR M.FATHY EL BATOUTY Eslam Esam El Din Mostafa is 11 years old child suffering from severe spastic type of cp with flexion spasm of both lower limbs , frequent attacks of scissors and fecal & urinary incontinence . Ambulation aid is recommended for him in the form of special type of electric wheel chair individually built to suit his case with further training of the child to driver his chair . The following center is recommended to consult the case and to manufacture the chair . the Nuffield Orthopaedic Center . Mary Marlborough Lodge . Oxford , UK ---------------------------------------------------- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Dec 25 21:27:03 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA10237; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 21:27:00 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 21:27:00 -0800 From: MKSBoysal@aol.com Message-ID: <85ec5f39.3684736d@aol.com> Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 00:26:05 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: 2,564,00 lbs free energy plans for you: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"rf1wc.0.sV2.ZE7Xs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8166 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com In a message dated 12/25/98 4:17:30 PM Mountain Standard Time, B777b77@webtv.net writes: > Subj: Re: 2,564,00 lbs free energy plans for you: > Date: 12/25/98 4:17:30 PM Mountain Standard Time > From: B777b77@webtv.net (R B) > Reply-to: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > > MKS, Trying to understand your machine . Lets see if I'm > close. You have the trans in first gear and the smaller weight on the > input falls say 8 feet lifting the larger weight on the output a small > distance. Then the smaller input weight reaching the bottom hits a lever > changing the trans to a different gear say, 2nd or 3rd, does the larger > weight now pull the smaller one back up the entire 8 feet to then be > restarted over by changing the trans back to the first gear? Thanks RB > Hi RB, Yes that's correct, you got it right above. Visualize a seesaw having two same weights on each end of the board, perfectly balanced. If you can find the way to move the fulcrum forth and back you will have continuos motion. Right? Manual transmission is that perfect fulcrum, for above project (maybe not quite the perfect but that's the best we have for now). This is the whole idea. But I have to tell you that I am now working on a different project which is very small and compact. Much more promising then present free energy discussion. If I'll get a positive results on this new project I'll share rest of you guys. For those of you who likes to build something right away, because of Y2k problems that we all feel how vulnerable we are as far as the energy goes. I found this site really good and workable free energy machine plans. Thanks to John Bedini, the site is old but he has good few projects there that one can can put it together in few days. http://www.nidlink.com/~john1/foreward.html This is my vision guys, please lets all work on something that we feel worthy of time and energy, if someone gets a positive result, then let us make the plans and parts available rest of the people in this list so within a short time we can have something in place. I feel even a small unites that can sustain itself, and beyond that can put out AC or DC as low as 100 Watt of power can give us few light bulbs to turn on. Does any one owns a machine shop I wonder? if you do and like work on some projects together drop me a line to: mksboysal@aol.com Thanks, MKSB. | From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Fri Dec 25 23:05:54 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id XAA28244; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 23:05:47 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 23:05:47 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 00:51:26 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman: 12/25/98 Resent-Message-ID: <"Yf0R33.0.Dv6.Bh8Xs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8167 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Newman Energy Technologies Corporation 11445 East Via Linda, Suite 2416 * Scottsdale, Arizona 85259 (602) 657-3722 * email: josephnewman@earthlink.net FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: DECEMBER 25, 1998 To The People and Newsmedia of the World: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman The Newman Energy Machine operated on operationally dead batteries (by conventional science standards) for 14 HOURS and the Newman Motor demonstrated 30 times the force resistance to turn its shaft than did the highly efficient magnetic Minnkota motor (representing technology stolen from myself). People who attended the presentation in Scottsdale were extremely impressed. On Saturday, December 19, 1998 (for the benefit of skeptics) I installed new batteries with a large 7620 volt capacitor having a 200 KVAR capacity. The audience witnessed what I predicted would happen: The loud sounds of: "Pow - pow - pow - pow . . ." began happening as the shaft of the Newman Motor rotated. The phenomenal back-charge was affecting the surrounding air exactly as does lighting and, in effect, miniature "thunder" was produced. This only happens with very significant power of voltage and current for which the batteries of only 130 volts and milliamps cannot produce. Therefore, this significant effect had to originate from the Newman Energy Machine. The statistics and facts will be provided which will again confirm that there is tremendously more power being produced by the rotating shaft of the Newman Motor than the input power. This will prove that this prototype can produce up to 8 to 10 horsepower with only a fraction of input power from the battery pack. Sincerely, [Signed] Joseph Westley Newman From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Dec 26 02:39:52 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id CAA10733; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 02:39:42 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 02:39:42 -0800 From: RHammar860@aol.com Message-ID: <9984bde2.3684bcc2@aol.com> Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 05:38:58 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: 2.564.00 lbs. of free energy every 1 minute Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 61 Resent-Message-ID: <"9F6fp.0.Yd2.jpBXs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8168 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com In a message dated 98-12-24 04:55:43 EST, you write: << So back to the question again: So much weight and so little height, is there is a way how this power (weight) can be converted in to an electricity? Thanks, guys and lady's MKSB >> Hi Could you have it turning a big fly wheel that would run a genorator? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Dec 26 03:06:49 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id DAA13312; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 03:06:47 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 03:06:47 -0800 Message-ID: <3684DEC0.AAC01FBA@itn.cl> Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 08:04:00 -0500 From: Felix Meyer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman: 12/25/98 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"QKYb92.0.vF3.6DCXs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8169 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Evan Soule schrieb: > > Newman Energy Technologies Corporation > 11445 East Via Linda, Suite 2416 * Scottsdale, Arizona 85259 > (602) 657-3722 * email: josephnewman@earthlink.net > > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: DECEMBER 25, 1998 > > To The People and Newsmedia of the World: > > The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman > > The Newman Energy Machine operated on operationally dead batteries (by > conventional science standards) for 14 HOURS and the Newman Motor > demonstrated 30 times the force resistance to turn its shaft than did the > highly efficient magnetic Minnkota motor (representing technology stolen > from myself). People who attended the presentation in Scottsdale were > extremely impressed. > > On Saturday, December 19, 1998 (for the benefit of skeptics) I installed > new batteries with a large 7620 volt capacitor having a 200 KVAR capacity. > > The audience witnessed what I predicted would happen: > > The loud sounds of: "Pow - pow - pow - pow . . ." began happening as the > shaft of the Newman Motor rotated. The phenomenal back-charge was > affecting the surrounding air exactly as does lighting and, in effect, > miniature "thunder" was produced. This only happens with very significant > power of voltage and current for which the batteries of only 130 volts and > milliamps cannot produce. Therefore, this significant effect had to > originate from the Newman Energy Machine. > > The statistics and facts will be provided which will again confirm that > there is tremendously more power being produced by the rotating shaft of > the Newman Motor than the input power. This will prove that this prototype > can produce up to 8 to 10 horsepower with only a fraction of input power > from the battery pack. > ... very fine, BUT : Has the input and output energy been MEASURED ? This should be a minor problem with instrumentation today. With my best season greeting Felix From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Dec 26 12:06:49 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA07080; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 12:06:33 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 12:06:33 -0800 Message-ID: <005e01be310b$6f59a5e0$1d5cadd1@default> From: "Jim Shaffer, Jr." To: Subject: Re: 2,564,00 lbs free energy plans for you: Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 13:55:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"CUhF2.0.Uk1.97KXs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8170 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >> MKS, Trying to understand your machine . Lets see if I'm >> close. You have the trans in first gear and the smaller weight on the >> input falls say 8 feet lifting the larger weight on the output a small >> distance. Then the smaller input weight reaching the bottom hits a lever >> changing the trans to a different gear say, 2nd or 3rd, does the larger >> weight now pull the smaller one back up the entire 8 feet to then be >> restarted over by changing the trans back to the first gear? Thanks RB >> > Hi RB, >Yes that's correct, you got it right above. OK, so what happens when you start taking energy out of the system by some means? The weights won't get pulled back up as far, and it will eventually run down. In fact, given enough time, it should run down through its own friction. -- "Withdraw in disgust is not the same thing as apathy." --R.E.M. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Dec 26 12:30:55 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA13116; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 12:30:53 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 12:30:53 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19981226153829.00c83100@cnct.com> X-Sender: knagel@cnct.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 15:38:31 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Keith Nagel Subject: Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman: 12/25/98 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"dsUS8.0.rC3.yTKXs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8171 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 12:51 AM 12/26/98 -0600, you wrote: >On Saturday, December 19, 1998 (for the benefit of skeptics) I installed >new batteries with a large 7620 volt capacitor having a 200 KVAR capacity. Huh? Please, the measured voltage across the cap's terminals and the capacity in Farads. > >The audience witnessed what I predicted would happen: > >The loud sounds of: "Pow - pow - pow - pow . . ." began happening as the >shaft of the Newman Motor rotated. The phenomenal back-charge was >affecting the surrounding air exactly as does lighting and, in effect, >miniature "thunder" was produced. This only happens with very significant >power of voltage and current for which the batteries of only 130 volts and >milliamps cannot produce. Therefore, this significant effect had to >originate from the Newman Energy Machine. Yes, a large spark will produce noise. Where was the discharge occurring? Is this the terminal to case discharge you referred to earlier? > >The statistics and facts will be provided which will again confirm that >there is tremendously more power being produced by the rotating shaft of >the Newman Motor than the input power. This will prove that this prototype >can produce up to 8 to 10 horsepower with only a fraction of input power >from the battery pack. Well???? When? And why not now? K. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Dec 26 12:55:34 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA18609; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 12:55:27 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 12:55:27 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 16:05:25 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman: 12/25/98 Resent-Message-ID: <"_LMbs2.0.cY4._qKXs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8172 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >At 12:51 AM 12/26/98 -0600, you wrote: >>On Saturday, December 19, 1998 (for the benefit of skeptics) I installed >>new batteries with a large 7620 volt capacitor having a 200 KVAR capacity. > >Huh? Please, the measured voltage across the cap's terminals and >the capacity in Farads. > >> >>The audience witnessed what I predicted would happen: >> >>The loud sounds of: "Pow - pow - pow - pow . . ." began happening as the >>shaft of the Newman Motor rotated. The phenomenal back-charge was >>affecting the surrounding air exactly as does lighting and, in effect, >>miniature "thunder" was produced. This only happens with very significant >>power of voltage and current for which the batteries of only 130 volts and >>milliamps cannot produce. Therefore, this significant effect had to >>originate from the Newman Energy Machine. > >Yes, a large spark will produce noise. Where was the discharge >occurring? Is this the terminal to case discharge you referred to >earlier? > >> >>The statistics and facts will be provided which will again confirm that >>there is tremendously more power being produced by the rotating shaft of >>the Newman Motor than the input power. This will prove that this prototype >>can produce up to 8 to 10 horsepower with only a fraction of input power >>from the battery pack. > >Well???? When? And why not now? > >K. Dear Keith, When? When he's ready. Why not now? Ask him yourself: (602) 657-3722. Best, Evan From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Dec 26 13:58:50 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA29889; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 13:58:35 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 13:58:35 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19981226170612.00c89560@cnct.com> X-Sender: knagel@cnct.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 17:06:14 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Keith Nagel Subject: Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman: 12/25/98 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"ELX793.0.uI7.AmLXs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8173 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 04:05 PM 12/26/98 -0600, you wrote: >When? When he's ready. Why not now? Ask him yourself: (602) 657-3722. > >Best, > >Evan > But I'm asking you. You are his public relations man, yes? And this forum is dedicated to experimental demonstrations of alternative energy. So it seems hardly out of place to ask. Do I need to bother the man? I'm sure he's busy. I'm not the first to ask these questions either. Answering in this forum gets the information out to the largest audience; should twenty or thirty of us call him with the same questions? To reiterate. 1) the measured voltage across the cap's terminals at breakdown. 2) the capacity in Farads. Thanx for pushing forward the cause of free energy. K. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Dec 26 15:03:24 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA10106; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 15:03:20 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 15:03:20 -0800 Message-ID: <004001be3124$1586ebe0$488080d8@btech> From: "Bill Wallace`" To: Subject: Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman: 12/25/98 Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 18:04:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"b5CIR3.0.lT2.uiMXs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8174 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Keith, you are thinking logically, Joe seems to be a madman to me, logic must go out the window, so YES, he wants to talk to 20 or 40 people all individually asking him the same exact questions. Maybe it will make him feel important or something, instead of logically desimating the info out here through the superior medium. Maybe he is lonely this christmas and this is the only way he can get anyone to call (hoho) Regardless his claims cannot be replicated - hell they can't even be done the first time by him, so I ask that people quit wasting valuable time and resources on this POPPYCOCK! >At 04:05 PM 12/26/98 -0600, you wrote: >>When? When he's ready. Why not now? Ask him yourself: (602) 657-3722. >> >>Best, >> >>Evan >> > >But I'm asking you. > >You are his public relations man, yes? And this forum is dedicated >to experimental demonstrations of alternative energy. So it >seems hardly out of place to ask. Do I need to bother the man? >I'm sure he's busy. I'm not the first to ask these questions either. >Answering in this forum gets the information out to the largest >audience; should twenty or thirty of us call him with the >same questions? > >To reiterate. > >1) the measured voltage across the cap's terminals at breakdown. >2) the capacity in Farads. > >Thanx for pushing forward the cause of free energy. > >K. > > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Dec 26 15:32:38 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA17881; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 15:32:35 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 15:32:35 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 18:42:33 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman: 12/25/98 Resent-Message-ID: <"LwqAl1.0.IN4.J8NXs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8175 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >At 04:05 PM 12/26/98 -0600, you wrote: >>When? When he's ready. Why not now? Ask him yourself: (602) 657-3722. >> >>Best, >> >>Evan >> > >But I'm asking you. > >You are his public relations man, yes? And this forum is dedicated >to experimental demonstrations of alternative energy. So it >seems hardly out of place to ask. Do I need to bother the man? >I'm sure he's busy. I'm not the first to ask these questions either. >Answering in this forum gets the information out to the largest >audience; should twenty or thirty of us call him with the >same questions? > >To reiterate. > >1) the measured voltage across the cap's terminals at breakdown. >2) the capacity in Farads. > >Thanx for pushing forward the cause of free energy. > >K. Dear Keith, Specifically: I have voluntarily assisted Joseph Newman in a number of ways -- and have done so for nearly 15 years. You are welcome to ask any question you wish. Joseph Newman does not see your list post --- he is located in Arizona (and is not connected to the internet) and I am located in Louisiana. When he is ready to post additional information he will fax this to me and I will be happy to post it to the list. Until then, you can wait for his post or you can call him if you do not wish to wait. That's your choice. And I'm always glad to "push forward" the "cause" of EEO>EEI. Evan Soule' From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Dec 26 15:48:07 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA21368; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 15:48:05 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 15:48:05 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 18:58:03 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman: 12/25/98 Resent-Message-ID: <"op9bT1.0.nD5.qMNXs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8176 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Dear Bill, As always, thanks for your kind, thoughtful and initiated insults. As I believed I have explained, when Joe faxes me his information, I will be happy to post it to the list. Until then, one can contact Joe directly if they do not wish to wait for the posted information. That's their choice. As far as "poppycock" is concerned and while you are welcome to your opinion -- however incorrect (in my opinion) --- more than 30 scientists and engineers have tested and confirmed that Joseph Newman's technology does indeed operate as he states. This was further confirmed by the Special Master and technical expert (and former U.S. Commissioner of the patent office) assigned to report on his technology. Over the years he has constructed many different operable prototypes of different sizes and configurations. Thanks again for your kind comments. Happy Holidays! Evan Soule' >Keith, you are thinking logically, Joe seems to be a madman to me, >logic must go out the window, so YES, he wants to talk to 20 or 40 people >all individually asking him the same exact questions. Maybe it will make >him feel important or something, instead of logically desimating the info >out here through the superior medium. Maybe he is lonely this christmas and >this is the only way he can get anyone to call (hoho) Regardless his claims >cannot be replicated - hell they can't even be done the first time by him, >so I ask that people quit wasting valuable time and resources on this >POPPYCOCK! > > > >>At 04:05 PM 12/26/98 -0600, you wrote: >>>When? When he's ready. Why not now? Ask him yourself: (602) 657-3722. >>> >>>Best, >>> >>>Evan >>> >> >>But I'm asking you. >> >>You are his public relations man, yes? And this forum is dedicated >>to experimental demonstrations of alternative energy. So it >>seems hardly out of place to ask. Do I need to bother the man? >>I'm sure he's busy. I'm not the first to ask these questions either. >>Answering in this forum gets the information out to the largest >>audience; should twenty or thirty of us call him with the >>same questions? >> >>To reiterate. >> >>1) the measured voltage across the cap's terminals at breakdown. >>2) the capacity in Farads. >> >>Thanx for pushing forward the cause of free energy. >> >>K. >> >> >> >> From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Dec 26 15:56:45 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA23927; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 15:56:43 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 15:56:43 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19981226190419.00c8aae0@cnct.com> X-Sender: knagel@cnct.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 19:04:22 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Keith Nagel Subject: Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman: 12/25/98 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"ztneR3.0.mr5.wUNXs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8177 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 06:04 PM 12/26/98 -0500, you wrote: >YES, he wants to talk to 20 or 40 people >all individually asking him the same exact questions. Maybe it will make >him feel important or something, instead of logically desimating the info >out here through the superior medium. >> Now, you're hardly being kind Bill. Evan just explained to us that Joes sends faxes to Evan, who posts them to the list. So a means exists to disseminate the information. Now, maybe there's something to this idea of a lot of us calling Joe. Maybe if he feels enough people are interested, he will respond through Evan? Those questions again. >> >>1) the measured voltage across the cap's terminals at breakdown. >>2) the capacity in Farads. >> From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Dec 26 19:12:54 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA08789; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 19:12:45 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 19:12:45 -0800 Message-ID: <00ea01be3146$ecb4dba0$488080d8@btech> From: "Bill Wallace`" To: Subject: Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman: 12/25/98 Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 22:13:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"aGPz83.0.A92.jMQXs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8178 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >Dear Keith, > >Specifically: I have voluntarily assisted Joseph Newman in a number of ways >-- and have done so for nearly 15 years. You are welcome to ask any >question you wish. Joseph Newman does not see your list post --- he is >located in Arizona (and is not connected to the internet) That is a VERY serious concern for me. The history I have studied it seems to me the great inventors were always on the cutting edge of something. I truly believe if Tesla were here today and in his prime he WOULD be on the internet, trying to find a way for us all to do it wirelessly for free I suppose, but he would be a part of this new medium and technology. That Joe Newman is NOT speaks volumes to me. You are either ahead of the curve or drastically falling behind, with the internet as popular as it is today (hell even my 91 year old grandmother uses it) and Joe is still dilly dallying around with paper faxes does nothing for me but give me a good chuckle at how you continue to fool people. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Dec 26 19:25:23 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA12390; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 19:25:21 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 19:25:21 -0800 Message-ID: <00eb01be3148$af9c1240$488080d8@btech> From: "Bill Wallace`" To: Subject: Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman: 12/25/98 Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 22:26:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"opaty1.0.V13.XYQXs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8179 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >Dear Bill, > >As always, thanks for your kind, thoughtful and initiated insults. Evan, I have a belief that you can fool all the people some of the time, some of the people all of the time, but never all the people all the time. Quacks and charlatans (in theory) should be exposed sooner or later, thereby resources - valuable to human LIVES - are not wasted for all that long. But in the case of Joe Newman we seem to have wasted many many years, scientific resources, amateur experiments, and for what? NOTHING, no replicable results. Although I normally disagree with the tactics of skeptics and particularly James Randi, in this I feel their methods are correct, do not let up one ounce or iota, to hell with politeness, it is time to move on. Please excuse my directness, but it has long been time to either shit or get off the pot, and it is really beginning to stink Evan. Millions are going to die in Russia, I have several good friends in the Raleigh Durham area that are without power this weekend (brrr), and I feel it is time to empower the individual with new technology for mere survival as the "system" has proved it can't help all of us in times of great need. Resources being wasted on pipe dreams does not seem to be the way to empower the individual to me. As I >believed I have explained, when Joe faxes me his information, My 91 year old grandmother has been on the internet for over a year, what is wrong with Joe? I could understand perhaps if it were fairly new technology, or even if it was expensive, I did not get a cell phone until last year, but to be so disconnected from such a crucial paradigm of modern society really makes me feel sorry for Joe. I will be >happy to post it to the list. Until then, one can contact Joe directly if >they do not wish to wait for the posted information. That's their choice. I have already made all my christmas calls this year. >As far as "poppycock" is concerned and while you are welcome to your >opinion -- however incorrect (in my opinion) --- more than 30 scientists >and engineers have tested and confirmed that Joseph Newman's technology >does indeed operate as he states. This was further confirmed by the >Special Master and technical expert (and former U.S. Commissioner of the >patent office) assigned to report on his technology. Over the years he has >constructed many different operable prototypes of different sizes and >configurations. Again, if they really thought it was so amazing, why don't they invest some money? Something that is REALLY valuable to them? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Dec 26 19:51:16 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA19295; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 19:51:13 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 19:51:13 -0800 Message-ID: <010501be314c$4d7a78a0$488080d8@btech> From: "Bill Wallace`" To: Subject: Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman: 12/25/98 Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 22:52:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"aTpCK1.0.Oj4.nwQXs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8180 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >>YES, he wants to talk to 20 or 40 people >>all individually asking him the same exact questions. Maybe it will make >>him feel important or something, instead of logically desimating the info >>out here through the superior medium. >>> > >Now, you're hardly being kind Bill. I know, and if you knew me personally you would know how bad I hate to digress to such levels, but I feel in this particular case valuable resources are being wasted and it is time to stop! There is a point at which the wasted resources is far too great for the expected payoff and I feel that has long been overdue with Evan and Mr. Newman. How much PERSONAL investment dollars do you think Evan has given to his good friend Joe? I do apologize to you and to everyone else here, but I can no longer sit idly by and watch this man waste peoples valuable time with NO RESULTS! Whilst people are dying everyday all over the world because we are wasting resources. Just consider if Mr. Newmans technology collectively holds back REAL progress by only a few weeks (doesn't sound like much does it?), several hundred people are predicted to freeze to death this winter and next in Russia on a daily basis. 200 x 14 days - 2800 HUMAN LIVES for Mr. Newman to cause valuable resources to be diverted to a pipe dream is just too great a cost for me to do nothing. Evan just explained to us >that Joes sends faxes to Evan, who posts them to the list. >So a means exists to disseminate the information. Now, maybe >there's something to this idea of a lot of us calling Joe. >Maybe if he feels enough people are interested, he will respond >through Evan? I feel that is the problem, true progress left him probably long ago, now it all just seems to be for the attention and investment dollars for something that should be easily measured and proved true or false, but their always seems to be an excuse. Evan Soule, can JOE sleep good at night knowing that he may literally be killing millions of people because of all of this? Can YOU? Diverting valuable resources for something you yourself know you cannot replicate? I wash my hands of you Evan Soule, and of Mr. Newman too, you were given chance after chance to be professional and do things the proper and scientific way and you blew it every single time, even if you TRULY have something that works - you are bookmarked in my novel as the little boy that cried wolf one too many times! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Dec 26 20:29:00 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA26988; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 20:28:55 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 20:28:55 -0800 Message-Id: <199812270433.OAA05308@pegasus.com.au> Subject: Back off on the bickering Bill!!! Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 14:32:19 +0900 x-sender: nexus@mail.peg.apc.org x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v3, January 22, 1998 From: To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"XqtMJ3.0.bb6.7URXs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8181 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Bill, you seem to have a lot of time on your hands to waste blowing off steam. While this is your perogative, I resent having it take up space in my email box. Why don't you just reply to Evan and others on a one-to-one basis, instead of making all of us read your grudges! regards Duncan Duncan M. Roads Editor, Nexus Magazine PO Box 30, Mapleton Qld 4560 Australia Tel: +61 (0)7 5442 9280; Fax: +61 (0)7 5442 9381 http://www.peg.apc.org/~nexus/ "The nature of the universe is such that ends can never justify the means. On the contrary, the means always determine the end." (Aldous Huxley) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Dec 26 21:24:38 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA05576; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 21:24:35 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 21:24:35 -0800 Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 23:24:27 -0600 (CST) From: Zack Widup Subject: Slightly off-topic To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"3Tskf1.0.zM1.IISXs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8182 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com I know this isn't free energy, but: Does anyone on this group have any experience with Stirling engines? I recently received a catalog from a place I mail-order from sometimes called Small Parts, Inc. They have several books on the Stirling engine, and they are also planning on marketing little kits of small versions of this engine (including one that runs on heat generated by your hand). It looks intriguing to me! Zack From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Dec 26 21:27:02 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA07419; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 21:27:00 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 21:27:00 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 00:36:52 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman: 12/25/98 Resent-Message-ID: <"X4CEi1.0.op1.YKSXs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8183 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >>Dear Keith, >> >>Specifically: I have voluntarily assisted Joseph Newman in a number of ways >>-- and have done so for nearly 15 years. You are welcome to ask any >>question you wish. Joseph Newman does not see your list post --- he is >>located in Arizona (and is not connected to the internet) > >That is a VERY serious concern for me. The history I have studied it seems >to me the great inventors were always on the cutting edge of something. I >truly believe if Tesla were here today and in his prime he WOULD be on the >internet, trying to find a way for us all to do it wirelessly for free I >suppose, but he would be a part of this new medium and technology. That Joe >Newman is NOT speaks volumes to me. You are either ahead of the curve or >drastically falling behind, with the internet as popular as it is today >(hell even my 91 year old grandmother uses it) and Joe is still dilly >dallying around with paper faxes does nothing for me but give me a good >chuckle at how you continue to fool people. >Bill Dear Bill, Thanks for your comments. You only succeed in "fooling" yourself with your juvenile insults. You are welcome to make any assumption you wish -- regardless of its degree of accuracy/inaccuracy. Perhaps Joe's choice not to directly communicate via the internet is one way of insulating himself from certain juveniles. Best regards, Evan Soule' From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Dec 26 21:27:06 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA07457; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 21:27:02 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 21:27:02 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 00:36:55 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman: 12/25/98 Resent-Message-ID: <"0aGWU3.0.Bq1.bKSXs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8184 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >>Dear Bill, >> >>As always, thanks for your kind, thoughtful and initiated insults. > >Evan, I have a belief that you can fool all the people some of the time, >some of the people all of the time, but never all the people all the time. >Quacks and charlatans (in theory) should be exposed sooner or later, thereby >resources - valuable to human LIVES - are not wasted for all that long. But >in the case of Joe Newman we seem to have wasted many many years, scientific >resources, amateur experiments, and for what? NOTHING, no replicable >results. Although I normally disagree with the tactics of skeptics and >particularly James Randi, in this I feel their methods are correct, do not >let up one ounce or iota, to hell with politeness, it is time to move on. >Please excuse my directness, but it has long been time to either shit or get >off the pot, and it is really beginning to stink Evan. Millions are going >to die in Russia, I have several good friends in the Raleigh Durham area >that are without power this weekend (brrr), and I feel it is time to empower >the individual with new technology for mere survival as the "system" has >proved it can't help all of us in times of great need. Resources being >wasted on pipe dreams does not seem to be the way to empower the individual >to me. Dear Bill, On this public list and out of respect for our host, I will refrain from initiating insults --- as you have done. If you wish to communicate privately and continue the insults, I would be more than happy to remove the velvet gloves. As I have stated before, Joseph Newman has repeatedly proven the operability of his technology. Whether or not you choose to understand this and, given your preference for the initiated insult, I could frankly care less. Joseph Newman has innovated the technology, he has disclosed it via his fundamental book, and researchers such as Mr. Naudin in France have made their own discoveries regarding the interesting nature of the anomalies produced via the technology. Those who choose to read, understand, and apply the technology --- such as Mr. Naudin --- will increase their comprehension of such anomalies. He who chooses to whine and cast initiated insults will add nothing. It is ironic that you mention James Randi. Randi has proven himself to be a liar. Many years ago, when Joe had constructed his first prototype, Randi was sent by a magazine to "interview" Joseph Newman. Joseph Newman was informed by the magazine that they were sending an "electrical engineer" to test Joseph Newman's prototype. Joe was enthusiastic about the electrical engineer's visit and eagerly anticipated the opportunity to introduce him to the new technology and to give him every opportunity to test it. As it turned out, Randi made NO mention that he was an ex-magician and NOT an electrical engineer. He portrayed himself as an "electrical engineer" yet it was soon very clear to Joe that he was not what he was billed to be. He was unfamiliar with meter and oscilloscope readings and had no comprehension of electrical circuitry. Joe began to wonder why he was visiting him. It later became apparent that the only reason Randi visited him was to try to "debunk" Joe's work --- rather than make an intellectually-honest effort to understand it. Randi was not sent as a "scientist" but as a pseudo-sceptic. Randi failed to "debunk" Joseph Newman and, humorously, Randi's only "technical" comment was that the prototype consisted of "hopelessly tangled loops of copper wire." I sent Randi a letter asking him: Who found the loops "hopeless"? Was it Randi, Joseph Newman, or did the copper wires find THEMSELVES "hopelessly" tangled? I never received an answer to this question from Randi. Your statement above, regarding "no replicable results" is totally incorrect. There are detailed test reports, for instance, in Joseph Newman's book, which one is welcome to repeat for themselves. For me, Joseph Newman's genius is found in his being the first person in history to provide an explicit, fundamental mechanical explanation for Fleming's Rule and Magnetic Attraction & Repulsion. > > As I >>believed I have explained, when Joe faxes me his information, > >My 91 year old grandmother has been on the internet for over a year, what is >wrong with Joe? I could understand perhaps if it were fairly new >technology, or even if it was expensive, I did not get a cell phone until >last year, but to be so disconnected from such a crucial paradigm of modern >society really makes me feel sorry for Joe. I'm sure your sorrow is sincerely meant.... as are your insults. As I previously stated, I would not be surprised if Joe's lack of preference for computers is one method of insulating himself from "petty insulters". > > I will be >>happy to post it to the list. Until then, one can contact Joe directly if >>they do not wish to wait for the posted information. That's their choice. > >I have already made all my christmas calls this year. Too bad. No doubt Joe will have to somehow survive without a telephone call from yourself. >>As far as "poppycock" is concerned and while you are welcome to your >>opinion -- however incorrect (in my opinion) --- more than 30 scientists >>and engineers have tested and confirmed that Joseph Newman's technology >>does indeed operate as he states. This was further confirmed by the >>Special Master and technical expert (and former U.S. Commissioner of the >>patent office) assigned to report on his technology. Over the years he has >>constructed many different operable prototypes of different sizes and >>configurations. > > >Again, if they really thought it was so amazing, why don't they invest some >money? Something that is REALLY valuable to them? >Bill Where they were able, a number of the scientists and engineers HAVE invested some money precisely because they HAVE tested it themselves and realize the significance of the technology. Sincerely, Evan Soule' From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Dec 26 21:27:12 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA07507; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 21:27:07 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 21:27:07 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 00:37:00 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman: 12/25/98 Resent-Message-ID: <"SLZso3.0.4r1.gKSXs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8185 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >>>YES, he wants to talk to 20 or 40 people >>>all individually asking him the same exact questions. Maybe it will make >>>him feel important or something, instead of logically desimating the info >>>out here through the superior medium. >>>> >> >>Now, you're hardly being kind Bill. > >I know, and if you knew me personally you would know how bad I hate to >digress to such levels, but I feel in this particular case valuable >resources are being wasted and it is time to stop! There is a point at >which the wasted resources is far too great for the expected payoff and I >feel that has long been overdue with Evan and Mr. Newman. How much PERSONAL >investment dollars do you think Evan has given to his good friend Joe? >I do apologize to you and to everyone else here, but I can no longer sit >idly by and watch this man waste peoples valuable time with NO RESULTS! >Whilst people are dying everyday all over the world because we are wasting >resources. Just consider if Mr. Newmans technology collectively holds back >REAL progress by only a few weeks (doesn't sound like much does it?), >several hundred people are predicted to freeze to death this winter and next >in Russia on a daily basis. 200 x 14 days - 2800 HUMAN LIVES for Mr. >Newman to cause valuable resources to be diverted to a pipe dream is just >too great a cost for me to do nothing. That's it, Bill. I find your attempt to "blame" Joseph Newman in any way for the above human suffering REPREHENSIBLE IN THE EXTREME. Were you here in person I would honestly be sorely tempted to knock the s**t out of you. Of course, this would be an irrational action which I would hardly condone in others, let alone myself... so I would refrain accordingly. If a SINGLE human life has died who might otherwise be alive as a result of Joseph Newman's technology, then you can lay the blame for such death at the feet of such proven-incompetent-idiots such as Donovan F. Duggan (the ex-patent examiner); the ex-power-broker appointee, Donald Quigg; the coercive ex-Watergate attorney and now Federal Judge Thomas Penfield Jackson; and the asinine former Congressman Robert Kastenmeier. These are some of the individuals responsible for such human suffering. And I was a witness to their actions --- or rather their lack of positive actions. And the only "pipe dreams" are the "inaccurate dreams of those who initiate insults". > > Evan just explained to us >>that Joes sends faxes to Evan, who posts them to the list. >>So a means exists to disseminate the information. Now, maybe >>there's something to this idea of a lot of us calling Joe. >>Maybe if he feels enough people are interested, he will respond >>through Evan? > >I feel that is the problem, true progress left him probably long ago, now it >all just seems to be for the attention and investment dollars for something >that should be easily measured and proved true or false, but their always >seems to be an excuse. > >Evan Soule, can JOE sleep good at night knowing that he may literally be >killing millions of people because of all of this? Can YOU? Diverting >valuable resources for something you yourself know you cannot replicate? > >I wash my hands of you Evan Soule, and of Mr. Newman too, you were given >chance after chance to be professional and do things the proper and >scientific way and you blew it every single time, even if you TRULY have >something that works - you are bookmarked in my novel as the little boy that >cried wolf one too many times! The technology has been replicated by others, confirmed by over 30 scientists and engineers, and anyone is welcome to construct and experiment with their own prototype based upon the technology. Of course, there are those who choose to whine and initiate insults. Bill, I could frankly not give a good damn whether you "wash your hands of me, Joseph Newman, or anyone else for that matter." And since I have no respect for you whatsoever, I count your "washing your hands of me" as a distinct HONOR. Very sincerely, Evan Soule' From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Dec 26 21:30:24 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA12799; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 21:30:20 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 21:30:20 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 00:40:18 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: Re: Back off on the bickering Bill!!! Resent-Message-ID: <"eQwKC.0.u73.iNSXs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8186 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >Bill, you seem to have a lot of time on your hands to waste blowing off >steam. While this is your perogative, I resent having it take up space >in my email box. > >Why don't you just reply to Evan and others on a one-to-one basis, >instead of making all of us read your grudges! > >regards > >Duncan > > >Duncan M. Roads >Editor, Nexus Magazine >PO Box 30, Mapleton Qld 4560 Australia >Tel: +61 (0)7 5442 9280; Fax: +61 (0)7 5442 9381 >http://www.peg.apc.org/~nexus/ > >"The nature of the universe is such that ends can never justify the means. >On the contrary, the means always determine the end." >(Aldous Huxley) Dear Duncan, Thanks for your sensible post and your recommendation. Regards, Evan From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Dec 26 22:32:50 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA25934; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 22:32:43 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 22:32:43 -0800 Message-ID: <018701be3162$ddbc1700$488080d8@btech> From: "Bill Wallace`" To: Subject: Growl! Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 01:33:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"WKGwy.0.7L6.BITXs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8187 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >Bill, you seem to have a lot of time on your hands to waste blowing off >steam. While this is your perogative, I resent having it take up space >in my email box. And I resent the waste in mine from Mr. Soule, but then that is life my friend. >Why don't you just reply to Evan and others on a one-to-one basis, >instead of making all of us read your grudges! I would love to reply to Mr. Newman through e-mail, but I am limited in that respect, am I not? Or did he suddenly get connected? Cheers! William From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Dec 26 22:59:24 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA31037; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 22:59:22 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 22:59:22 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 02:09:19 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: Re: Growl! Resent-Message-ID: <"2yRg02.0.oa7.AhTXs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8188 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >>Bill, you seem to have a lot of time on your hands to waste blowing off >>steam. While this is your perogative, I resent having it take up space >>in my email box. > >And I resent the waste in mine from Mr. Soule, but then that is life my >friend. > >>Why don't you just reply to Evan and others on a one-to-one basis, >>instead of making all of us read your grudges! > >I would love to reply to Mr. Newman through e-mail, but I am limited in that >respect, am I not? >Or did he suddenly get connected? > >Cheers! > >William Dear Bill, If you wish to reply directly to Joseph Newman, you can contact him at: (602) 657-3722 [9am or 9pm are usually good times]. No doubt olde Joe would love to engage in a little "heart-to-heart" chit chat. And if you do not wish to so contact him, that's fine with me. :-) Hope you had a really Happy Newton Day! Evan Soule' From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Dec 26 23:23:33 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id XAA02022; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 23:23:12 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 23:23:12 -0800 X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAtRBFG1j6mb0S+WK18jMxcf/MNzQCFAl756UimIU8GgadoqahDcnZhugW From: dennisgarrett@webtv.net (Dennis Garrett) Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 23:23:01 -0800 (PST) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman: 12/25/98 Message-ID: <93-3685E055-4387@mailtod-172.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule)'s message of Sun, 27 Dec 1998 00:37:00 -0600 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"Z0xPF2.0.VV.V1UXs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8189 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com for gosh sakes go somewhere else and do your argueing. and take joe newman with you! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Dec 26 23:24:01 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id XAA02213; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 23:23:58 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 23:23:58 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19981227023133.00c94100@cnct.com> X-Sender: knagel@cnct.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 02:31:36 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Keith Nagel Subject: Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman: 12/25/98 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"wb4u_3.0.UY.E2UXs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8190 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Now after all those posts; what have we gained????? I hardly expected such a flap when I asked those questions. In fact, I bet it's getting sort of forgotten in all the shuffle. How about that. Now Evan, I know it may seem hostile on the list now; but I'm sure we can find some common ground here. So, you've known Joe for 15 years, yes? Surely, you can petition the man, for the sake of the list, with a few questions regarding the posts made by you, his agent. Come on, prove Bill wrong! Those questions again... >>>1) the measured voltage across the cap's terminals at breakdown. >>>2) the capacity in Farads. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Dec 26 23:32:44 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id XAA05262; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 23:32:42 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 23:32:42 -0800 X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRqv/o7HMOkKUrfE/R7VAzRtml7HgIUIW3EQ52Nk2cMFIxob5e1BUvQ0Ss= From: dennisgarrett@webtv.net (Dennis Garrett) Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 23:32:40 -0800 (PST) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman: 12/25/98 Message-ID: <91-3685E298-5517@mailtod-172.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule)'s message of Sun, 27 Dec 1998 00:36:55 -0600 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"MTYat.0.7I1.QAUXs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8191 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com bill, evan, if i volunteer to kill joe will you two knock it off? at least on the list? jumpin' criminey! happy holidays, Dennis From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Dec 27 00:20:52 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id AAA17248; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 00:20:47 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 00:20:47 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 03:30:46 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman: 12/25/98 Resent-Message-ID: <"N7QS11.0.LD4.VtUXs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8192 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >for gosh sakes go somewhere else and >do your argueing. >and take joe newman with you! Dear Dennis, Thanks for your comments. Please be so kind to direct your comments to Mr. Bill Wallace. It is he who decided to engage in arguing. I have no wish to "argue" with anyone. Best regards, Evan Soule' From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Dec 27 00:20:52 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id AAA17282; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 00:20:50 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 00:20:50 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 03:30:48 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman: 12/25/98 Resent-Message-ID: <"pHr4d.0.xD4.XtUXs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8193 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >Now after all those posts; what have we gained????? > >I hardly expected such a flap when I asked those >questions. In fact, I bet it's getting sort of >forgotten in all the shuffle. How about that. > >Now Evan, I know it may seem hostile on the list >now; but I'm sure we can find some common ground >here. So, you've known Joe for 15 years, yes? >Surely, you can petition the man, for the sake of >the list, with a few questions regarding the >posts made by you, his agent. Come on, prove >Bill wrong! > >Those questions again... > >>>>1) the measured voltage across the cap's terminals at breakdown. >>>>2) the capacity in Farads. Dear Keith, I very sorry that during the process of the "flap" I have been seemingly unable to express myself clearly to you. When Joe is ready to post additional information he will do so. He will fax said information to me and I will post it to the list. If this is unacceptable to you or you choose not to wait, then you are welcome to contact Joe directly, yourself. If not, so be it. Joe is quite unaware of this "flap". So, unless someone wishes to engage in "arguing" for the sake of "arguing", it otherwise serves no useful purpose. Regards, Evan Soule' From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Dec 27 00:20:57 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id AAA17331; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 00:20:53 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 00:20:53 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 03:30:51 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman: 12/25/98 Resent-Message-ID: <"416qJ1.0.eE4.btUXs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8194 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >bill, evan, if i volunteer to kill joe will you two knock it off? at >least on the list? >jumpin' criminey! >happy holidays, >Dennis Dear Dennis, I presume this is your "Christmas present"? Fine. Here's his address should you wish to (attempt to) kill Joe: 11445 East Via Linda, Suite 2416 Scottsdale, Arizona 85259 (602) 657-3722 If you choose to attempt to kill him, I'm sure he would then welcome the opportunity to fight you to the death. Peace on Earth and Goodwill to All. Evan From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Dec 27 00:40:12 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id AAA24582; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 00:40:09 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 00:40:09 -0800 Message-ID: <000701be3174$1ef51c60$66fd07d0@r.davis> Reply-To: "R. A. Davis" From: "R. A. Davis" To: "Free Energy" Subject: Re: Newman Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 03:37:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"wNzHi.0.__5.f9VXs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8195 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Is Joseph from Arizona A genius, a fraud?--I bemoan a Lack of logical clarity To resolve the disparity, So why don't you two fight on the phone, ah? R. A. Davis "It always comes as a shock when I am reminded that the most hardened scientists, coldly analytical as they are and possessed of the most rigorous commitment to logical processes, also have personalities, complete with egos and all the attendant human failings." -- Mother Teresa From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Dec 27 00:44:59 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id AAA26361; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 00:44:57 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 00:44:57 -0800 X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAvSuhpPTof9Ha2o74avB8X7M7aIYCFBftJhWKlo9IslRyPeIlb88o9ida From: dennisgarrett@webtv.net (Dennis Garrett) Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 00:44:56 -0800 (PST) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman: 12/25/98 Message-ID: <16495-3685F388-5312@mailtod-171.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule)'s message of Sun, 27 Dec 1998 03:30:51 -0600 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"5I0B2.0.oR6.9EVXs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8196 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com you need to get out more evan. or i need a better sense of humor. or you do. or bill might. does joe have one? what are you doing up at this hour? anything constructive? i'm not. i'm just sitting around jacking with somebody that won't go off-list to bitch at someone. gotta lotta patience. and time. happy holidays, Dennis From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Dec 27 01:41:09 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id BAA01440; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 01:40:58 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 01:40:58 -0800 Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 03:46:33 -0600 (CST) From: Christopher Loenthal To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman: 12/25/98 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"Mgf0F.0.PM.g2WXs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8197 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Sun, 27 Dec 1998, Evan Soule wrote: > >for gosh sakes go somewhere else and > >do your argueing. > >and take joe newman with you! > > Dear Dennis, > > Thanks for your comments. Please be so kind to direct your comments to Mr. > Bill Wallace. It is he who decided to engage in arguing. I have no wish > to "argue" with anyone. > > Best regards, > > Evan Soule' If you do not wish to argue, then why are you replying multiple times? :) I'm no free energy pioneer, in fact, I'm just finishing up my EE degree. I joined this list to learn and to be around the kind of people who I respect and aspire to become one day. All I have learned lately is that some of you are wasting VALUABLE HUMAN RESOURCES by even participating in this discussion. Whether you place blame on seemingly unfounded concepts or government conspiracies, you should be placing the blame on yourself for wasting precious time arguing. Science does not evolve through flaming and "knocking the sh*t out of eachother". Happy Holidays, Christopher Loental From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Dec 27 01:41:57 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id BAA01627; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 01:41:55 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 01:41:55 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 04:51:54 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman: 12/25/98 Resent-Message-ID: <"qSKsT1.0.HP.Z3WXs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8198 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >you need to get out more evan. >or i need a better sense of humor. >or you do. >or bill might. >does joe have one? >what are you doing up at this hour? >anything constructive? >i'm not. >i'm just sitting around jacking with somebody that won't go off-list to >bitch at someone. >gotta lotta patience. >and time. >happy holidays, >Dennis Actually, Dennis, I'm in the process of editing a four-volume book --- the wee hours of the morning can be useful in this regard. For a side-bar change of pace, I take a break and indulge in pleasant email interchanges. Patience can indeed be a virtue .... however frustrating. Hope you had a Happy Newton Day. Evan From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Dec 27 01:53:29 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id BAA04027; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 01:53:26 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 01:53:26 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 05:03:25 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman: 12/25/98 Resent-Message-ID: <"gIf253.0.q-.MEWXs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8199 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >On Sun, 27 Dec 1998, Evan Soule wrote: > >> >for gosh sakes go somewhere else and >> >do your argueing. >> >and take joe newman with you! >> >> Dear Dennis, >> >> Thanks for your comments. Please be so kind to direct your comments to Mr. >> Bill Wallace. It is he who decided to engage in arguing. I have no wish >> to "argue" with anyone. >> >> Best regards, >> >> Evan Soule' > > >If you do not wish to argue, then why are you replying multiple times? :) > >I'm no free energy pioneer, in fact, I'm just finishing up my EE degree. I >joined this list to learn and to be around the kind of people who I >respect and aspire to become one day. All I have learned lately is that >some of you are wasting VALUABLE HUMAN RESOURCES by even participating >in this discussion. Whether you place blame on seemingly unfounded >concepts or government conspiracies, you should be placing the blame on >yourself for wasting precious time arguing. Science does not evolve >through flaming and "knocking the sh*t out of eachother". > > >Happy Holidays, >Christopher Loental Dear Christopher, Thanks for your comments. While I do not "wish" to argue, I am willing to present my opinion. If it can be done on a mutually respectful basis, this is both preferred and pleasurable lagniappe. BTW, unfortunately, science DID evolve through a literal "flaming" of such individuals as Giordano Bruno. And, figuratively-speaking, Glenn Curtiss -- that first-rate intellectual thief -- did knock the s**t out of Wilbur Wright and, IMHO, unfortunately contributed to Wright's early death. Anyway, happy holidays to you! Evan Soule' From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Dec 27 04:44:09 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id EAA19127; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 04:44:05 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 04:44:05 -0800 Message-ID: <368628F4.6699@club-internet.fr> Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 13:32:52 +0100 From: Jean-Pierre LENTIN Reply-To: jplentin@club-internet.fr X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [fr]C-CLUB (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Greetings Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"74zv33.0.gg4.JkYXs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8200 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi & merry Christmas & happy new year to all ! you may note my new email address (and delete the old one if you have me in an address book) : jplentin@club-internet.fr I just moved from a noisy Paris apartment to a quiet beautiful country house. What a change ! This is in tune with my good resolutions for 1999 : play more piano quit smoking less TV work more writing and (coming September 1999 ?) a French monthly magazine covering new science let me tell you it’s been a pleasure and an inspiration to read you all day after day and I look forward to 1999 can’t wait to hear from you again ! Best wishes Love to all From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Dec 27 06:18:45 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA28101; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 06:18:37 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 06:18:37 -0800 Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 08:18:34 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199812271418.IAA25224@bluestem.prairienet.org> From: w9sz@prairienet.org (Zack Widup) To: loenthal@washington.engr.ukans.edu Subject: Some holiday reading Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: w9sz@prairienet.org Resent-Message-ID: <"_QPBE1.0.zs6.z6aXs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8201 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com > I'm no free energy pioneer, in fact, I'm just finishing up my EE degree. I > joined this list to learn and to be around the kind of people who I > respect and aspire to become one day. All I have learned lately is that > some of you are wasting VALUABLE HUMAN RESOURCES by even participating > in this discussion. Whether you place blame on seemingly unfounded > concepts or government conspiracies, you should be placing the blame on > yourself for wasting precious time arguing. Science does not evolve > through flaming and "knocking the sh*t out of eachother". > > > Happy Holidays, > Christopher Loental Instead of arguing, why not do some reading? Here are some books and papers I have found very enlightening (to an electrical engineer). Y. Aharonov and D. Bohm, "Significance of Electromagnetic Potentials in the Quantum Theory", Phys. Rev. Second Series, Vol. 115, No. 3, August 1, 1959, pp. 485-491 Thomas E. Bearden, THE EXCALIBUR BRIEFING Thomas E. Bearden, NEW TESLA ELECTROMAGNETICS Thomas E. Bearden, PART I: THE SOLUTION TO TESLA'S SECRETS AND THE SOVIET TESLA WEAPONS PART II: REFERENCE ARTICLES FOR SOLUTIONS TO TESLA'S SECRETS Thomas E. Bearden, TOWARD A NEW ELECTROMAGNETICS PART III: CLARIFYING THE VECTOR PRINCIPLE Thomas E. Bearden, TOWARD A NEW ELECTROMAGNETICS PART IV: VECTORS AND MECHANISMS CLARIFIED Thomas E. Bearden, CANCER AND THE UNRESOLVED HEALTH ISSUES IN THE BIOLOGICAL EFFECTS OF EM FIELDS AND RADIATION Sir Jagadis Chandra Bose, RESPONSE IN THE LIVING AND NON-LIVING Sir Jagadis Chandra Bose, COLLECTED PHYSICAL PAPERS Timothy H. Boyer, "Random electrodynamics: The theory of classical electrodynamics with classical electromagnetic zero-point radiation", Phys. Rev. D, Vol. 11, No. 4, 15 Feb. 1975, pp. 790-808 Hugh L. Everett III, THE MANY-WORLDS INTERPRETATION OF QUANTUM MECHANICS R. A. Ford, SPACE ENERGY RECEIVERS Jack S. Greenberg and Walter Greiner, "Search for the Sparking of the Vacuum", Physics Today, August 1982, pp. 24-32 Oleg B. Jefimenko, ELECTROSTATIC MOTORS Oleg B. Jefimenko, CAUSALITY, ELECTROMAGNETIC INDUCTION AND GRAVITATION Moray B. King, TAPPING THE ZERO-POINT ENERGY Eike Muller, EXPERIMENTS WITH A KROMREY AND A BRANDT-TESLA CONVERTER BUILT BY JOHN BEDINI with comments by Tom Bearden Charles Muses, "Applied Hypernumbers: Computational Concepts", Applied Mathematics and Computation, Vol. 3, No. 3, 1977, pp. 211-226 Charles Muses, "Hypernumbers - II. Further Concepts and Computational Applications", Applied Mathematics and Computation, Vol. 4, No. 1, 1978, pp. 45-66 Joseph Newman, THE ENERGY MACHINE OF JOSEPH NEWMAN S. Olariu and I. Iovitzu Popescu, "The quantum effect of electromagnetic fluxes", Reviews of Modern Physics, Vol. 57, No. 2, April 1985, pp. 339-436 Ilya Prigogine, NON-EQUILIBRIUM STATISTICAL MECHANICS Ilya Prigogine and Isabelle Stengers, ORDER OUT OF CHAOS Harold E. Puthoff, "Gravity as a zero-point fluctuation force", Physical Review A, Vol. 39, No. 5, March 1, 1989, pp. 2333-2342 Harold E. Puthoff, "Ground state of hydrogen as a zero-point-fluctuation- determined state", Phys. Rev. D, Vol. 35, No. 10, May 15, 1987, pp. 3266-3269. Wilhelm Reich, THE BION EXPERIMENTS ON THE ORIGIN OF LIFE Wilhelm Reich, THE DISCOVERY OF THE ORGONE Wilhelm Reich, SLEECTED WRITINGS - AN INTRODUCTION TO ORGONOMY Jerome Rothstein, COMMUNICATION, ORGANIZATION AND SCIENCE with a preface by Charles Muses (contains a great theory of TIME) Nikola Tesla, LECTURES, PATENTS, ARTICLES Nikola Tesla, COLORADO SPRINGS NOTES Nikola Tesla, SELECTED PATENT WRAPPERS, compiled by John T. Ratzlaff Peter Tompkins, THE SECRET LIFE OF PLANTS John Archibald Wheeler, GEOMETRODYNAMICS E. T. Whittaker, A HISTORY OF THE THEORIES OF AETHER AND ELECTRICITY, Vol. 1: The Classical Theories, and Vol. 2: The Modern Theories 1900-1926 E. T. Whittaker, "On an expression of the electromagnetic field due to electrons by means of two scalar potential functions", Proc. London Mathematical Society, Series 2, Vol. 1, pp. 367-372 Gary Zukav, THE DANCING WU-LI MASTERS I'd particularly recommend the Bohm-Aharonov paper, any of Sir Jagadis Chandra Bose's texts and papers (a true overlooked genius), any of Tesla's works, any papers by Boyer and by Hal Puthoff, and Ilya Prigogine's works. That should keep you busy for a month or two! :-) Zack Widup Urbana, IL -- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Dec 27 08:19:14 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id IAA12271; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 08:19:08 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 08:19:08 -0800 X-Sender: richarda@mailhub.icx.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 11:19:27 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Richard Austin Subject: Re: Stirling engines Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id IAA12243 Resent-Message-ID: <"5Vn6E2.0.Y_2.xtbXs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8202 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >I know this isn't free energy, but: > >Does anyone on this group have any experience with Stirling engines? I >recently received a catalog from a place I mail-order from sometimes >called Small Parts, Inc. They have several books on the Stirling engine, >and they are also planning on marketing little kits of small versions of >this engine (including one that runs on heat generated by your hand). It >looks intriguing to me! > >Zack I have researched them quite a bit. I figured that if there are no free energy machines I should try for low-cost or no-cost multiple-fuel engines for power such as the Stirling. So far I don't know of any affordable practical machines. I have a design in my head but not the time/resources to build one. For off grid power, I think the best bet at this point is an inverter with a small bank of batteries charged by an alternator genset (not a 120V Genset). I was thinking of a lawnmower engine with an auto alternator. Solar panels are too expensive for the power produced. A small solar power system could easily cost $5000. Richard Austin -- email: richarda@icx.net -- radio: KG7SU Institute for Planetary Renewal http://user.icx.net/~richarda (newly updated web site) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Dec 27 08:40:08 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id IAA18697; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 08:40:05 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 08:40:05 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19981227114749.00c88430@cnct.com> X-Sender: knagel@cnct.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 11:47:51 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Keith Nagel Subject: Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman: 12/25/98 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"O5hI92.0.2a4.bBcXs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8203 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi. I know Joe's not on the list; we've established that. A few technical details concerning an experiment posted almost a month ago (12/2/98) should not require such hand wringing and gnashing of teeth. I do however feel we're moving forward here, when I asked these questions a while back you didn't even respond! But that's OK, we're all busy people I know. Now, at this point I'm not even dreaming of a personal audience with Mr. Newman. How could I sleep knowing I wasted the mans valuable time, what with Y2K and all... >NOW is the time for all honest and caring people to come forward and assist >me in helping to profusely produce this "God" given Energy Machine for the >people of this nation and the world prior to the Y2K's potentially >disastrous problems for humanity on the 1st day of 2000 A.D. >[Signed] >Joseph Westley Newman So here I am, coming forward and looking to help. And we can get that ball rolling, you and I, by starting a dialogue right here on the list. Yes, we can do it! No more of this silly arguing and fighting. Let's talk about that energy machine of "olde Joe". In fact, to be clearer, I don't want you to even mention this to Joe. Just answer in you own words those questions. Just think, we could be only a few emails away from that breakthrough everyone's been waiting for, if we just start communicating with each other. K PS: Those questions again... >>>>>1) the measured voltage across the cap's terminals at breakdown. >>>>>2) the capacity in Farads. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Dec 27 09:19:55 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA27932; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 09:19:47 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 09:19:47 -0800 X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQVMoy/AAaRD5uURhGQyQioYdZB1QIUcz0wJ2rmagkTj2kfN3oxPxIwNXM= From: B777b77@webtv.net (R B) Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 12:19:46 -0500 (EST) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: 2,564,00 lbs free energy plans for you: Message-ID: <9269-36866C32-1090@mailtod-151.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: MKSBoysal@aol.com's message of Fri, 25 Dec 1998 01:13:38 EST Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"NiOqU1.0.Hq6.pmcXs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8204 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com MKSB, You wrote, example 1st 60 to 1; 2nd 46 to 1; the gear ratio difference between these two gears is 14 times difference, right., If the input weight falls 8 feet turning 60 times and is then raised back up in 2nd gear, in this gear it will only rotate 46 times, a loss of 14 rotations. The input weight cannot return to the top of 8 feet.Am I misunderstanding something. Wish you the best. RB From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Dec 27 09:24:39 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA30397; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 09:24:37 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 09:24:37 -0800 From: RHammar860@aol.com Message-ID: <681ff9c.36866d24@aol.com> Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 12:23:48 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Stirling engines Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 61 Resent-Message-ID: <"nHE7N3.0.sQ7.KrcXs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8205 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com In a message dated 98-12-27 11:24:08 EST, you write: << I have researched them quite a bit. I figured that if there are no free energy machines I should try for low-cost or no-cost multiple-fuel engines for power such as the Stirling. So far I don't know of any affordable practical machines. I have a design in my head but not the time/resources to build one. >> Hi Are you saying that you think your design that you have would be affordable and a practical machine if you had the time and money to build it? If so maybe I may be of help to you. Please E-Mail me privitly Ron Hammar E-Mail RHammar860@AOL.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Dec 27 10:12:20 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA20047; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 10:12:11 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 10:12:11 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 13:22:09 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman: 12/25/98 Resent-Message-ID: <"ZWu7z3.0.8v4.xXdXs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8206 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >Hi. > >I know Joe's not on the list; we've established that. A few >technical details concerning an experiment posted almost >a month ago (12/2/98) should not require such hand wringing and gnashing >of teeth. I do however feel we're moving forward here, when I asked these >questions a while back you didn't even respond! But that's >OK, we're all busy people I know. > >Now, at this point I'm not even dreaming of a personal >audience with Mr. Newman. How could I sleep knowing I >wasted the man's valuable time, what with Y2K and all... It's comforting to know that you respect his time. > >>NOW is the time for all honest and caring people to come forward and assist >>me in helping to profusely produce this "God" given Energy Machine for the >>people of this nation and the world prior to the Y2K's potentially >>disastrous problems for humanity on the 1st day of 2000 A.D. >>[Signed] >>Joseph Westley Newman > >So here I am, coming forward and looking to help. And we can >get that ball rolling, you and I, by starting a dialogue >right here on the list. Yes, we can do it! No more of >this silly arguing and fighting. Let's talk about that >energy machine of "olde Joe". In fact, to be clearer, >I don't want you to even mention this to Joe. Just answer >in you own words those questions. Just think, we could >be only a few emails away from that breakthrough everyone's >been waiting for, if we just start communicating with each >other. > >K > >PS: Those questions again... > >>>>>>1) the measured voltage across the cap's terminals at breakdown. >>>>>>2) the capacity in Farads. Dear Keith, I truly value your offer to help --- since I know your offer is sincere and genuine. Your kindness overwhelms me. However, I don't know whether it's my inability to communicate successfully to you, or whether it's your inability to receive -- or both. Since I was not present at Joseph Newman's demonstration in Arizona (having family/business obligations to attend to in Louisiana) I have no idea what is either the measured voltage across the cap's terminals at breakdown or the capacity in Farads. As I explained previously (and for some reason there is difficulty in your comprehension of this fact), when Joseph Newman provides additional details to me (presumably via fax), I will be happy to post same via email to the list. And, as I explained previously -- but will do so again since your repetitive questions seem to invite repetition -- one may elect to wait for the above details to be so posted, or one may contact Joseph Newman directly via telephone at (602) 657-3722. Thanks again. Sincerely, Evan Soule' From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Dec 27 11:03:36 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA29734; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 11:03:23 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 11:03:23 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19981227141104.00c8f480@cnct.com> X-Sender: knagel@cnct.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 14:11:07 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Keith Nagel Subject: Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman: 12/25/98 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"ZyiaA1.0.VG7.xHeXs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8207 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 01:22 PM 12/27/98 -0600, you wrote: >Since I was >not present at Joseph Newman's demonstration in Arizona (having >family/business obligations to attend to in Louisiana) I have no idea what >is either the measured voltage across the cap's terminals at breakdown or >the capacity in Farads. Well, by God, we are moving in the same direction now! We're finally talking! So, you're just as ignorant as I concerning >>>>>>>1) the measured voltage across the cap's terminals at breakdown. >>>>>>>2) the capacity in Farads. Well, you know in the Zen tradition they refer to this state as "the uncarved block". Filled with potential, just waiting to form. So to kick things off, why don't you explain what you do know regarding the experiment about which you posted @ 12/2/98? Once we fully map the "known world", as it where, we can get back to those unknown spots (see questions above). I'll then respond with what I know about it. K. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Dec 27 11:22:15 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA03043; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 11:22:12 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 11:22:12 -0800 Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 11:22:09 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199812271922.LAA11993@avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: dave dameron Subject: Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman: 12/25/98 Resent-Message-ID: <"l2OoE2.0.Ol.aZeXs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8208 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Evan, Keith, and all, At 12:51 AM 12/26/98 -0600, you wrote: > Newman Energy Technologies Corporation > >On Saturday, December 19, 1998 (for the benefit of skeptics) I installed >new batteries with a large 7620 volt capacitor having a 200 KVAR capacity. > Sounds like a power factor correction capacitor. Sometimes they are rated in reactive kilovolt amperes, as that is what they are used to add: Rated amperes = 200,000VA/7620V= 26.2 Amperes Capacitor impedance = 7620/26.2 = 290 Ohms. Capacity (using 60Hz) = 9uF >The audience witnessed what I predicted would happen: > >The loud sounds of: "Pow - pow - pow - pow . . ." began happening as the >shaft of the Newman Motor rotated. A 9uF cap charged to 7500 volts or so would produce a ear splitting BANG (read explosion) if directly discharged. It is also lethal, you don't even have to touch both terminals, just close enough to draw an arc! Be careful! Maybe it is not charged to this voltage, or discharged through an impedance such as Joe's coil? With 3 electrical components in series (Joe's Book): Battery, commutator, and coil, the cap could be connected in parallel in only 3 ways. I would guess it is not across the commutator? Please ask Joe how it is connected and where the "pow" discharges are? If the cap has 2 equally sized terminals, it is most likely insulated from the case. -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Dec 27 12:10:38 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA15724; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 12:10:28 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 12:10:28 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19981227151811.00c97100@cnct.com> X-Sender: knagel@cnct.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 15:18:13 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Keith Nagel Subject: Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman: 12/25/98 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"5zp222.0.br3.qGfXs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8209 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 11:22 AM 12/27/98 -0800, you wrote: >Sounds like a power factor correction capacitor. Sometimes they are rated in >reactive kilovolt amperes, as that is what they are used to add: >Rated amperes = 200,000VA/7620V= 26.2 Amperes >Capacitor impedance = 7620/26.2 = 290 Ohms. >Capacity (using 60Hz) = 9uF Ahh, David, a most interesting analysis. And not too far from my estimate based on the 12/2/98 post, where... >Moreover, the back voltage from the collapsing magnetic field is so high >that a 2.25 inch SPARK repeatedly "jumps" from the ceramic insulators >comprising a 15-lb capacitor to the metal housing the capacitor EVERY SEVEN >SECONDS. to which I replied... >Well, capacitors are usually rated in Farads; I don't know how >to make any energy estimate based on pounds. But I'll estimate >here, say 1 microfarad ( a pretty big cap @ 5kV ). I fear a different cap was used on 12/2 than the 12/25 post, we wouldn't want to be comparing apples to oranges. Another area of our ignorance (as you correctly pointed out) was how the circuit is wired. >With 3 electrical components in series (Joe's Book): Battery, commutator, >and coil, the cap could be connected in parallel in only 3 ways. I would >guess it is not across the commutator? Please ask Joe how it is connected >and where the "pow" discharges are? If the cap has 2 equally sized >terminals, it is most likely insulated from the case. >-Dave I feel we need to revise the question list. Besides, Evan is complaining that I'm repeating myself, so in deferrence to him I'll modify it. >>>>>>1) the measured voltage across the cap's terminals at breakdown. >>>>>>2) the capacity in Farads. 3) how the elements in the circuit are connected. And hey, if you look carefully you may conclude that with a certain answer to 2 & 3, question 1 may not need to be addressed! Unless Evan has information otherwise, should we go on the assumption that the spark is jumping from terminal to case? K. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Dec 27 12:33:09 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA20756; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 12:33:06 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 12:33:06 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 15:43:05 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman: 12/25/98 Resent-Message-ID: <"g9YZO2.0.D45.2cfXs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8210 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >At 01:22 PM 12/27/98 -0600, you wrote: >>Since I was >>not present at Joseph Newman's demonstration in Arizona (having >>family/business obligations to attend to in Louisiana) I have no idea what >>is either the measured voltage across the cap's terminals at breakdown or >>the capacity in Farads. > >Well, by God, we are moving in the same direction now! We're finally talking! >So, you're just as ignorant as I concerning > >>>>>>>>1) the measured voltage across the cap's terminals at breakdown. >>>>>>>>2) the capacity in Farads. > >Well, you know in the Zen tradition they refer to this state as >"the uncarved block". Filled with potential, just waiting to form. > >So to kick things off, why don't you explain what you do know >regarding the experiment about which you posted @ 12/2/98? >Once we fully map the "known world", as it where, we can get >back to those unknown spots (see questions above). > >I'll then respond with what I know about it. > >K. Dear K: In the Zen tradition, you may wish to initiate a long navel contemplation followed by several years tending a rock garden. It has been said that both could be conducive to an calm and quiet understanding of the universe. BTW, ignorance is simply a lack of knowledge --- something in which everyone participates. I presume you have a copy of the 12/2/98 post. If there is some question you have about the post there are two options: one may elect to wait for additional details to be provided by Joseph Newman regarding the Arizona presentation, or one may contact Joseph Newman directly via telephone at (602) 657-3722. Sincerely, Evan Soule' From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Dec 27 12:46:54 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA24028; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 12:46:43 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 12:46:43 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19981227155421.00c91100@cnct.com> X-Sender: knagel@cnct.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 15:54:23 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Keith Nagel Subject: Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman: 12/25/98 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"vJWlj2.0.Lt5.oofXs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8211 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 03:43 PM 12/27/98 -0600, you wrote: >In the Zen tradition, you may wish to initiate a long navel contemplation >followed by several years tending a rock garden. It has been said that >both could be conducive to an calm and quiet understanding of the universe. But this is my rock garden Evan! I am tending it. > >BTW, ignorance is simply a lack of knowledge --- something in which >everyone participates. > Absolutely. In fact, I will state directly that your knowledge of Mr. Newman and his experiments far outweighs mine. I am truely ignorant of his experiments. Thats why I ask so many questions... In fact, despite repeated postings from Mr. Newman, many list members seem ignorant. Weird huh? The best thing would be, if we all start talking more about it. Then, maybe we can clear things up. K. (revised questions 12/27) >>>>>>>1) the measured voltage across the cap's terminals at breakdown. >>>>>>>2) the capacity in Farads. >3) how the elements in the circuit are connected. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Dec 27 13:03:35 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA27711; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 13:03:32 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 13:03:32 -0800 Message-ID: <01b801be31dc$8405eea0$488080d8@btech> From: "Bill Wallace`" To: Subject: Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman: 12/25/98 Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 16:04:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"PjFf4.0.pm6.Z2gXs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8212 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com HAHA! Of course you are right Dennis, I was foolish to be taken in, happy holidays and please accept my apology. My diatribes will cease. >bill, evan, if i volunteer to kill joe will you two knock it off? at >least on the list? >jumpin' criminey! >happy holidays, >Dennis From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Dec 27 13:21:20 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA31382; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 13:21:09 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 13:21:09 -0800 X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQx6dMEMQqXGztjb6w2amYyvgIqUAIUe04NY/54t7Dlv4IyeR20ecWkmjU= From: dennisgarrett@webtv.net (Dennis Garrett) Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 13:21:08 -0800 (PST) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman: 12/25/98 Message-ID: <19003-3686A4C4-254@mailtod-171.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule)'s message of Sun, 27 Dec 1998 15:43:05 -0600 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"_vg9n1.0.Fg7.5JgXs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8213 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com somebody call joe! (602) 657-3722 i'd do it, but i have resticted calling. that, and i wouldn't know what he was talking about if he did talk to me. regards, Dennis From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Dec 27 13:53:54 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA07375; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 13:53:42 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 13:53:42 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 17:03:40 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman: 12/25/98 Resent-Message-ID: <"rcLpI2.0.4p1.cngXs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8214 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >At 03:43 PM 12/27/98 -0600, you wrote: >>In the Zen tradition, you may wish to initiate a long navel contemplation >>followed by several years tending a rock garden. It has been said that >>both could be conducive to an calm and quiet understanding of the universe. > >But this is my rock garden Evan! I am tending it. Of course it is, Keith. And it is obvious from your quiet understanding that you carry it deep within your mind. > >> >>BTW, ignorance is simply a lack of knowledge --- something in which >>everyone participates. >> > >Absolutely. In fact, I will state directly that your knowledge >of Mr. Newman and his experiments far outweighs mine. I am truely >ignorant of his experiments. Thats why I ask so many questions... > >In fact, despite repeated postings from Mr. Newman, many list >members seem ignorant. Weird huh? 'Weird?' --- not at all. Contemplation can be challenging. But I am encouraged by your enlightened calm and sincere contemplation. > >The best thing would be, if we all start talking more about >it. Then, maybe we can clear things up. > >K. > >(revised questions 12/27) >>>>>>>>1) the measured voltage across the cap's terminals at breakdown. >>>>>>>>2) the capacity in Farads. >>3) how the elements in the circuit are connected. And, as I explained previously -- but will do so again since your revised questions seem to invite revision -- one may contact Joseph Newman directly via telephone at (602) 657-3722 or one may elect to wait for additional details to be provided by Joseph Newman. Thanks again. Sincerely, Evan Soule' From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Dec 27 14:16:24 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA14160; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 14:16:22 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 14:16:22 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 14:16:20 -0800 (PST) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: [off topic] Internet Luddites. In-Reply-To: <00ea01be3146$ecb4dba0$488080d8@btech> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"RjXyF.0.9T3.s6hXs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8215 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Sat, 26 Dec 1998, Bill Wallace` wrote: > >Joseph Newman does not see your list post --- he is > >located in Arizona (and is not connected to the internet) > > That is a VERY serious concern for me. The history I have studied it seems > to me the great inventors were always on the cutting edge of something. I > truly believe if Tesla were here today and in his prime he WOULD be on the > internet, trying to find a way for us all to do it wirelessly for free I > suppose, but he would be a part of this new medium and technology. That Joe > Newman is NOT speaks volumes to me. I dunno, I myself have similar feelings about internet. When "everybody" leaps onto something, my response is to leap in the opposite direction. Fortunately I was on the internet early on, in the ftp/gopher era, otherwise I probably wouldn't even have an email address yet. Even today, I'm a luddite: I'm a text-only fanatic, and I view Java, Frames, and all-graphics websites with dismay. I don't have a fax machine, they are a passing fad which will soon depart. A couple of months ago I finally relented and bought a CD player, mostly for my 6yr old. And if I wasn't suffering from a huge lack of ambition, I'd be whittling all my furniture myself with a pocket knife and a foot-operated lathe. Seriously. Flashy attractions are empty inside; if you want to accomplish wonders, find the basic tools you need to do the job. Everyone should go read the rant on "Quality" found in "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintainence." > You are either ahead of the curve or > drastically falling behind, with the internet as popular as it is today > (hell even my 91 year old grandmother uses it) and Joe is still dilly > dallying around with paper faxes does nothing for me but give me a good > chuckle at how you continue to fool people. If you want to hurl accusations, you'd better back them up with evidence, otherwise your actions are those of a flamer. If you're that set against Newman and Co., perhaps you would consider putting together a WWW article to present your case. I'm sure that Eric Kreig would love to include such an article on his FE scams section (see http://www.syc.org/e/dennis.html) ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com www.eskimo.com/~billb EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Dec 27 14:20:59 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA16078; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 14:20:57 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 14:20:57 -0800 Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 14:20:52 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199812272220.OAA22368@scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: dave dameron Subject: Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman: 12/25/98 Resent-Message-ID: <"W_zWB.0.4x3.8BhXs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8216 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Keith and all, At 03:18 PM 12/27/98 -0500, Keith wrote: >Ahh, David, a most interesting analysis. And not too far from my >estimate based on the 12/2/98 post, where... > >>Moreover, the back voltage from the collapsing magnetic field is so high >>that a 2.25 inch SPARK repeatedly "jumps" from the ceramic insulators >>comprising a 15-lb capacitor to the metal housing the capacitor EVERY SEVEN >>SECONDS. > >to which I replied... > >>Well, capacitors are usually rated in Farads; I don't know how >>to make any energy estimate based on pounds. But I'll estimate >>here, say 1 microfarad ( a pretty big cap @ 5kV ). > >I fear a different cap was used on 12/2 than the >12/25 post, we wouldn't want to be comparing apples >to oranges. Yes, without facts, one can speculate in circles and not get far.. The 7620 Volt, 200KVAR was additional info in Evan's 12/25 post :-). > >Another area of our ignorance (as you correctly pointed out) >was how the circuit is wired. > >>With 3 electrical components in series (Joe's Book): Battery, commutator, >>and coil, the cap could be connected in parallel in only 3 ways. I would >>guess it is not across the commutator? Please ask Joe how it is connected >>and where the "pow" discharges are? If the cap has 2 equally sized >>terminals, it is most likely insulated from the case. >>-Dave > >I feel we need to revise the question list. Besides, Evan is >complaining that I'm repeating myself, so in deferrence to >him I'll modify it. > >>>>>>>1) the measured voltage across the cap's terminals at breakdown. >>>>>>>2) the capacity in Farads. >3) how the elements in the circuit are connected. > >And hey, if you look carefully you may conclude that with >a certain answer to 2 & 3, question 1 may not need to be addressed! Yes, unless it's another setup, the cap is connected across either the battery or coil. But this is speculation until we hear more. > >Unless Evan has information otherwise, should we go on the >assumption that the spark is jumping from terminal to case? The capacity to the case from either terminal would be much less than between terminals (assuming the case is insulated from both terminals). I would guess <1% = 0.09uF = 90nF. The question back when - whether the case was connected to the circuit (one way or another) is still open. Conventionally, the way to generate HV across a coil is to interrupt the current flow through it quickly. How to do this with a capacitor and not disturb the quick interruption without some HV rectifier or another isolating arc gap, etc. is still a mystery to me. The changing flux from the rotating magnet is much slower than an arc, so cannot judge tha amount it plays as well. The connection of the arcs to actual power in/out is still indeterminate. -Dave > >K. > > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Dec 27 14:57:19 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA24419; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 14:57:15 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 14:57:15 -0800 Message-ID: <032d01be31ec$66977f40$488080d8@btech> From: "Bill Wallace`" To: , Subject: Re: [off topic] Internet Luddites. Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 17:58:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"giGaI2.0.Sz5.AjhXs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8217 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Greetings William, I do apologize, I fear in trying to expose what I believe to be waste, I temporarily became that which I was set against, I am sorry for wasting your bandwidth, I have ceased (for now) (wink) >I dunno, I myself have similar feelings about internet. When "everybody" >leaps onto something, my response is to leap in the opposite direction. But the internet is NOT just some other fad, it is an entirely new way for our species to communicate across all borders, and nationalities, and groups. I would argue anything that can improve communication is a good direction to follow, what good is new technology or new ideas if they cannot be communicated? >Fortunately I was on the internet early on, in the ftp/gopher era, >otherwise I probably wouldn't even have an email address yet. Do you see having an email address as having more negatives or positives? Even today, >I'm a luddite: I'm a text-only fanatic, and I view Java, Frames, and >all-graphics websites with dismay. For informational communication text is very effecient, but we are a visual creature like it or not. I don't have a fax machine, they are a >passing fad which will soon depart. Very true, but how you can compare the fax machine to how the internet is empowering worldwide communication is a mystery to me. A couple of months ago I finally >relented and bought a CD player, mostly for my 6yr old. Again though do the progresses in clarity of recording music empower global exchanges and expression and thought? I would argue that having a recording medium allowed people to hear things they never would have otherwise, so the first devices were the ones that empowered the individual, the clarity improvements are not the revolution however, did you listen to any recording medium before a CD? And if I wasn't >suffering from a huge lack of ambition, Well there are sheep, and then there are shephards. I'd be whittling all my furniture >myself with a pocket knife and a foot-operated lathe. Do the Amish folks use a pocket knife? Very solid furniture there. Seriously. Flashy >attractions are empty inside; if you want to accomplish wonders, find the >basic tools you need to do the job. Agreed. >If you want to hurl accusations, you'd better back them up with evidence, The evidence I see is that after many demonstrations, many many years, many many people looking at the technology, he still cannot find investment dollars and no one - even the nasa scientists that have looked at his technology - seem to be interested in further research in it or in using it. He has been chastised many times for not doing the proper measurements and even after he has been specifically told what to measure he still always seems to have an excuse for not acquiring that data. I ask you this, After Tesla demonstrated his AC how long did it take for it to be implemented? Even after a (supposedly) respected scientist like Edison went around trying to debunk it? >otherwise your actions are those of a flamer. If you're that set against >Newman and Co., perhaps you would consider putting together a WWW article >to present your case. I'm sure that Eric Kreig would love to include such >an article on his FE scams section (see http://www.syc.org/e/dennis.html) I will have to look at the site, thanks William! Happy Holidays! From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Dec 27 14:57:19 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA24451; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 14:57:17 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 14:57:17 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19981227180455.00c9a100@cnct.com> X-Sender: knagel@cnct.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 18:04:57 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Keith Nagel Subject: Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman: 12/25/98 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"uBSmu3.0.uz5.CjhXs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8218 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Dave and Evan. At 02:20 PM 12/27/98 -0800, you wrote: >Yes, without facts, one can speculate in circles and not get far.. >The 7620 Volt, 200KVAR was additional info in Evan's 12/25 post :-). True. >Yes, unless it's another setup, the cap is connected across either the >battery or coil. But this is speculation until we hear more. The battery connection is one I recommended to JLN some weeks back. He was trying to measure current into his motor, and was having difficulty with arc transients. From his measurements I deduced that the power supply looked capacitive (later confirmed on JLN's site) and suggested a large cap in parallel with it. His current sense resistor then could be moved to the input of the parallel cap, and he would see mostly DC current. At the time, he pursued another direction, that of letting the motor run down after disconnection from the battery. A good test as well. > >> >>Unless Evan has information otherwise, should we go on the >>assumption that the spark is jumping from terminal to case? > >The capacity to the case from either terminal would be much less than >between terminals (assuming the case is insulated from both terminals). I >would guess <1% = 0.09uF = 90nF. The question back when - whether the case >was connected to the circuit (one way or another) is still open. >Conventionally, the way to generate HV across a coil is to interrupt the >current flow through it quickly. How to do this with a capacitor and not >disturb the quick interruption without some HV rectifier or another >isolating arc gap, etc. is still a mystery to me. The changing flux from the >rotating magnet is much slower than an arc, so cannot judge tha amount it >plays as well. The connection of the arcs to actual power in/out is still >indeterminate. >-Dave Well, that parasitic capacity is small alright. All it consists of is the capacity of the outer conductor plate to the case. I would estimate perhaps 200pf to 1000pf. This is a serious annoyance when designing high voltage circuits; I've many capacitors which I've had to sand and solder to make case grounding convienent and robust. Why the cap manufacturers don't always provide for this, I don't know. As regards the high voltage generation; as the rotor spins and the contactors break connection; the voltage across the open circuited inductor begins to rise. What limits it is the distributed capacity across the inductor, and whatever we put in parallel with it. A cap across the inductor would tend to reduce the tendancy for open circuit arc ignition to occur. Internal battery resistance would limit the discharge if such arcing did occur (in addition to the coil, but I assume it's resistance is much larger). A cap across the commutator would certainly produce the mentioned effect, that of a loud "pow". I typically use small caps with a resistor in series in such an arrangement in order to keep a spark gap alive while it switches the main current. It wastes energy, but when you want good switching action it really helps. 9 uF would be tremendously large for this. K. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Dec 27 15:14:38 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA30904; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 15:14:36 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 15:14:36 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 18:24:33 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: Newman's Capacitor Resent-Message-ID: <"QVxvA2.0.mY7.RzhXs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8219 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Speaking of capacitance, this was a portion of an ongoing discussion about this subject, as posted by Mitchell Jones --- (ERS): >Mitchell Jones wrote: > >> The other day Evan Soule posted some comments from Joseph Newman concerning >> the operation of his refurbished version of the motor that he constructed >> in Pennsylvania. According to my interpretation of his remarks, he has some >> small batteries connected in series to yield 110 volts, which are in turn >> hooked into a simple circuit to drive the motor. Connected in parallel to >> the motor, Newman has placed a "very large" 5000 volt capacitor, and he >> claims that it takes 7 seconds to reach an overcharged condition, whereupon >> it discharges via a visible arc. When I pointed out the apparent >> impossibility of that result, according to current theory, and the >> implication-- > >William Beaty wrote: >Interesting! However, depending on the nature of the circuit involved, it >is not impossible. There is a way to step up voltage using an inductor. >Switching power supplies do this. We would connect the 110V to a big >inductor, let the current build up to max, then mechanically switch the >inductor leads off of the 110v battery and onto the capacitor. The >capacitor sees the inductor's current, but the inductor "has" no voltage, >so it can charge the capacitor to infinite voltage if given enough time. >The current in the inductor would stay constant at first, which will raise >the capacitor voltage. We quickly must disconnect the inductor before the >capacitor voltage rises through a peak and starts to fall. Connect the >inductor back to the battery, then repeat the process. Every time the >process repeats, the capacitor voltage steps up by a small, constant >amount, and eventually something has to give. > >Since I have no idea what the particular Newman motor circuit looks like, >there is no guarantee that the above might be occurring. ***{What you say, above, is correct. However, I believe that Newman said enough in his post to indicate the nature of the circuit, and it is on the basis of the assumption of a very specific configuration that I made the comments to which you are responding. Here are his words, with some extraneous material deleted: "...when a large capacitor is hooked across the circuit, the Motor rpm >speed increases by 27%... Moreover, the back voltage from the collapsing >magnetic field is so high >that a 2.25 inch SPARK repeatedly "jumps" from the ceramic insulators >comprising a 15-lb capacitor to the metal housing the capacitor EVERY SEVEN >SECONDS. THIS DEMONSTRATES THAT THE 5,000 VOLT CAPACITOR BECOMES >OVERCHARGED REPEATEDLY - EVEN THOUGH ONLY 100 WATTS ARE INPUTED FROM >THE D.C. >BATTERY PACK!" In my opinion, the above words clearly indicate that the capacitor, the battery, and the motor are hooked up in parallel to one another and are all in the circuit at the same time. The indicated layout, therefore, would seem to be as follows: *-------->---------*------------->-----------* | | | | | | - | | v 110 V 5000 V Newman's Battery Capacitor Motor + | | v | | | | | | *-------<----------*------------<------------* The above circuit is very simple: we have a 110 volt battery, a "very large" 5000 volt capacitor, and Newman's motor, all connected in parallel with one another. The lower case "v's" above and below the motor are used as down arrows to indicate the direction of current flow through the motor coil when the coil is charging. When it discharges, on the other hand, the commutator switches the coil connections so that the discharge current goes in the opposite direction, as per the diagram below: *--------<---------*-------------<-----------* | | | | | | - | | ^ 110 V 5000 V Newman's Battery Capacitor Motor + | | ^ | | | | | | *------->----------*------------>------------* As you can see, the above described situation can raise the voltage across the circuit only if the current necessary to charge the coil is always less than the discharge current when the magnetic field of the coil collapses. The source of the electron current that apparently flows back into the capacitor and into the negative terminal of the battery would have to be the collapse of the magnetic field in the armature coil when the charge polarity reverses at the commutator. The only surprise here lies in Newman's claim that the voltage does not return to the original level of 110 volts between polarity reversals. Instead, over a 7 second interval, the voltage across the circuit steps progressively higher until, finally, it discharges via an arc to the capacitor housing, and falls back to 110 volts. If we assume that the motor is still running at 100 rpm, as was the case in the early reports, and that the polarity of the coil reverses twice per rotation, then we have 200 field collapses per minute, or 3.33 per second. Over a 7 second interval, therefore, we have (3.33)(7) = 23.33 field collapses, with each apparently sending a surge of electrons back toward the negative terminal of the battery. That means the voltage ramps up by (5000 - 110)/23.33 = 209.6 volts per step. This is extremely unorthodox behavior. The voltage spikes that occur at polarity reversals in a normal motor only last for an instant, and voltage falls back to that of the power source long before the next polarity reversal occurs. Assuming Newman's description is accurate, that means his motor is charging the battery and the capacitor, and running itself to boot. The implication is straightforward: if he could somehow prevent the capacitor from discharging itself to ground when the voltage gets above 5000 volts, he could remove the battery from the circuit and the motor should run until it wears itself out. To that end, I would suggest adding a simple voltage limiter to the circuit: *-----------*---------*-------------*-----<-----* | | | | | | | R1 | | - | | | v ^ 110 V 5000 V * --Zener-<-NPN Newman Battery Capacitor | diode Transistor Motor + | | R2 v ^ | | | | | | | v | | *-----<-----*---<----*-----<--------*---->------* The arrows (i.e., <, >, ^, v) in the above indicate the direction of electron flow when the coil is discharging and the voltage across the circuit exceeds 5000. The idea is to choose the values of R1 and R2 so that the breakdown voltage of the Zener, which should be reverse-biased, will be exceeded when the voltage across the circuit rises above 5000 volts. When that happens, a large current will flow through the Zener, draining the base of the transistor, switching it on, and resulting in a large enough electron current flowing through the transistor to get the voltage back down below 5000, at which point the Zener would once again block the current, turning the transistor off. Result: whenever the voltage across the circuit threatens to get large enough to discharge the capacitor via an arc to its metal housing, the regulator circuit will kick in and prevent that from happening. The use of such a voltage limiter should permit Newman to disconnect the battery from his motor as soon as the capacitor is fully charged. If he is right about his technology, then the motor should self-sustain under those circumstances, and he would have the "smoking gun" proof of "over unity" that he desires. At that point, all opposition to his technology should collapse: the patent office would come to him on bended knee and beg him to accept a patent, and the money should flow like a river, from Wall Street straight into his pocket! By the way, my experience with ASCII art is that it usually gets trashed during transmission, and I will not be surprised if the above circuit diagrams suffer the usual fate. If they do, I will try again. --Mitchell Jones}*** __________________________ Posted by Evan Soule' From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Dec 27 15:36:03 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA04259; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 15:36:00 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 15:36:00 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19981227184342.00c9ad70@cnct.com> X-Sender: knagel@cnct.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 18:43:44 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Keith Nagel Subject: Re: Newman's Capacitor Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"oVXfk.0.R21.VHiXs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8220 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 06:24 PM 12/27/98 -0600, you wrote: >Speaking of capacitance, this was a portion of an ongoing discussion about >this subject, as posted by Mitchell Jones --- (ERS): >The indicated layout, therefore, would seem to be as follows: > > > *-------->---------*------------->-----------* > | | | > | | | > - | | v > 110 V 5000 V Newman's > Battery Capacitor Motor > + | | v > | | | > | | | > *-------<----------*------------<------------* > >The above circuit is very simple: we have a 110 volt battery, a "very >large" 5000 volt capacitor, and Newman's motor, all connected in parallel >with one another. > >Posted by Evan Soule' Well, OK Evan, does this mean that Joe is confirming this as the circuit configuration? If so, and we have an answer to question three, then we're 33.3% of the way there! Can we agree on this? K. >>>>>>>>1) the measured voltage across the cap's terminals at breakdown. >>>>>>>>2) the capacity in Farads. >>3) how the elements in the circuit are connected. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Dec 27 16:24:01 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA13104; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 16:23:24 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 16:23:24 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 16:18:00 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199812280018.QAA17542@goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: dave dameron Subject: Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman: 12/25/98 Resent-Message-ID: <"cruTI.0.fC3.wziXs"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8221 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Keith and Evan and all, I agree with all your assessments about the power supply capacity, capacity to case, etc. At 06:04 PM 12/27/98 -0500, Keith wrote: >Hi Dave and Evan. > >> >>>Unless Evan has information otherwise, should we go on the >>>assumption that the spark is jumping from terminal to case? >Well, that parasitic capacity is small alright. All it consists >of is the capacity of the outer conductor plate to the case. >I would estimate perhaps 200pf to 1000pf. This is a serious >annoyance when designing high voltage circuits; I've many capacitors >which I've had to sand and solder to make case grounding >convienent and robust. Why the cap manufacturers don't always >provide for this, I don't know. > >A cap across the commutator would certainly produce the >mentioned effect, that of a loud "pow". I typically use >small caps with a resistor in series in such an arrangement >in order to keep a spark gap alive while it switches the main >current. It wastes energy, but when you want good switching >action it really helps. 9 uF would be tremendously large for >this. > Yes, I was thinking of the primary circuit of induction coils. Here the cap is across the interruptor, and is around the value that, when the interruptor/commutator is opened, the (primary) coil and cap are now in series and the initial conditions are 0 volts on the cap and the coil current starts to charge it. (series resonant) (There is the coil's distributed capacitance as well) If the cap is too large, the voltage developed will not be large. If too small, "too much" arcing. Off hand 9uF sounds too large, but 200 to 1000pF sounds too small... The same kind of circuit is the points/cap/ignition coil primary circuit in non-electronic ignition in cars. -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Dec 27 16:37:44 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA22914; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 16:37:38 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 16:37:38 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 16:37:37 -0800 (PST) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [off topic] Internet Luddites. In-Reply-To: <032d01be31ec$66977f40$488080d8@btech> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"DKRsO3.0.tb5.HBjXs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8222 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Sun, 27 Dec 1998, Bill Wallace` wrote: > Greetings William, > I do apologize, I fear in trying to expose what I believe to be > waste, I temporarily became that which I was set against, I am sorry for > wasting your bandwidth, I have ceased (for now) (wink) No prob! I evolved the Freenrg-L forum rules mostly by examining MYSELF to see how *I* was contributing to flamewars. This makes it very hard for me to cop a superior attitude when discussing "flamer" issues. :) > >I dunno, I myself have similar feelings about internet. When "everybody" > >leaps onto something, my response is to leap in the opposite direction. > > But the internet is NOT just some other fad, it is an entirely new way for > our species to communicate across all borders, and nationalities, and > groups. You and I know this, but many others do not. Those who lack experience with it will easily misinterpret the internet as being yet another addicitive time-waster, potentially more harmful than contemporary television programming and the integrity-sapping sex/violence worldview which it promotes. What they don't know is that the internet is uncontrolled, anarchic, and profoundly subversive. It is the new "printing press." It is a place where even a penniless person can wield significant power and alter the worldviews of thousands of people, hopefully for the better. > Do you see having an email address as having more negatives or positives? Depends. For those who are easily distracted from important work, an email account is worse than a constantly-ringing telephone. Joe Newman is right to fear it. But for someone who figures out how to USE email *AS* their important work, it is a priceless tool. For example, a free email account and a free listserver service can allow anyone in the world to create their own personal newsletter service (actually more like a "Radio Show.") I can easily sympathize with anyone who avoids internet, especially if their only impression of it is the hype-filled image being offered by the media. Analogy: it's like freedom-fighters spitting on the idea of "printing presses" because they associate them with billionaire stock traders, Hollywood glitz, and television addicts. It's a grave mistake, but completely understandable. Joe Newman is lucky to have Evan and his website. Too bad Evan has not yet talked Joe into spending significant time on the internet himself. Sure, the internet eats time. But so does producing a video, writing a book, or running symposia. If Joe was aware of just how VALUABLE his internet presence could be, he would personally be on the internet in a major way. > >If you want to hurl accusations, you'd better back them up with evidence, > > The evidence I see is that after many demonstrations, many many years, many > many people looking at the technology, he still cannot find investment > dollars and no one - even the nasa scientists that have looked at his > technology - seem to be interested in further research in it or in using it. > > He has been chastised many times for not doing the proper measurements and > even after he has been specifically told what to measure he still always > seems to have an excuse for not acquiring that data. I ask you this, After > Tesla demonstrated his AC how long did it take for it to be implemented? > Even after a (supposedly) respected scientist like Edison went around trying > to debunk it? This is a good point, and I have a similar viewpoint for the most part. However, look where Cold Fusion is right now. Look at Free Energy as a whole! Absence of progress does SUGGEST that "pathological science" MIGHT be present. But absence of progress can't be relied upon as solid evidence for anything. If the Newman Motor was real, Newman would already be successful? That sort of reasoning is dangerously close to this kind: If the Wright Brothers' machine was real, the US military would have funded it in a moment! If "Free Energy" was possible, we would already have O/U generators in all of our homes! The reasons for negative opinions regarding the Newman Motor are not inherently obvious. If we simply state our negative opinions, our audience will read them as emotionally-motivated insults, and hence ignore them. To keep people from misinterpreting our motives, we need clear and detailed reasoning, with plenty of examples and constructive criticism. Otherwise, the negative viewpoint is easily ignored like so: "Oh, you're just jealous of Newman's progress, compared to your own!" It's very difficult to defeat this response with a couple of emails. A detailed article would be far more powerful. ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com www.eskimo.com/~billb EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Dec 27 16:58:01 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA27848; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 16:57:57 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 16:57:57 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 20:07:54 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: Re: Newman's Capacitor Resent-Message-ID: <"-ye6R2.0.1p6.LUjXs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8223 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >At 06:24 PM 12/27/98 -0600, you wrote: >>Speaking of capacitance, this was a portion of an ongoing discussion about >>this subject, as posted by Mitchell Jones --- (ERS): >>The indicated layout, therefore, would seem to be as follows: >> >> >> *-------->---------*------------->-----------* >> | | | >> | | | >> - | | v >> 110 V 5000 V Newman's >> Battery Capacitor Motor >> + | | v >> | | | >> | | | >> *-------<----------*------------<------------* >> >>The above circuit is very simple: we have a 110 volt battery, a "very >>large" 5000 volt capacitor, and Newman's motor, all connected in parallel >>with one another. >> >>Posted by Evan Soule' > >Well, OK Evan, does this mean that Joe is confirming this >as the circuit configuration? If so, and we have an answer >to question three, then we're 33.3% of the way there! > >Can we agree on this? > >K. > >>>>>>>>>1) the measured voltage across the cap's terminals at breakdown. >>>>>>>>>2) the capacity in Farads. >>>3) how the elements in the circuit are connected. Dear Keith, The above circuit was proposed by Mitchell Jones. Since Joseph Newman has not seen the above post, you are welcome to present it to him and request his feedback. I assume by now you have his telephone number, but since you appreciate repetition, its (602) 657-3722. Best regards, Evan Soule' From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Dec 27 17:36:26 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA07614; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 17:36:20 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 17:36:20 -0800 Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 02:36:11 +0100 Message-Id: <199812280136.CAA22579@smtp.hb.vossnet.de> X-Sender: leoguitar@pop3.vossnet.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Re: 2,564,00 lbs free energy plans for you: Cc: mksboysal@aol.com Resent-Message-ID: <"CAeO5.0.js1.K2kXs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8224 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Mksboysal, that simply can not work this easy way ! Weights always go down in the earth gravity field ! Gears and pulleys work according to energy conservation. I have tried to think about your idea for more than 1 hour and have done also a few drawings to make it clear to me, that 2 weights with different gears end up always in lower height and thus this thing can not oscillate forever , nor give out any additional energy without coming to a stop. It simply does not work with gears and transmissions. If your machine would really work, there must be a different energy source, which you had not yet thought off. I would be interested to see a video tape of it, if this is no "special Xmas joke" ??? :) Let me know. Regards, Stefan. P.S.: here was another opinion I have to agree with: MKSB, You wrote, example 1st 60 to 1; 2nd 46 to 1; the gear ratio difference between these two gears is 14 times difference, right., If the input weight falls 8 feet turning 60 times and is then raised back up in 2nd gear, in this gear it will only rotate 46 times, a loss of 14 rotations. The input weight cannot return to the top of 8 feet.Am I misunderstanding something. Wish you the best. RB At 01:13 25.12.98 EST, freenrg-l@eskimo.com wrote: > I like to thank all of you but most specially to: Steve Opelc, Stefan, >Michael Randal, >Rob Brennen, Peter and William J. Beaty. > >For your comments, you guys took your time to reply to my question >which was: (So much weight and so little height, is there is a way >how this power (weight) can be converted in to an electricity?) > >Took me something like 10 years to figure this out, but here is the basic >formula of the machine if you like to build one for yourself. > >Heart of the machine is small 3 or 6 speed transaxle, get one from local junk >yard >comes from a small tractor. (manual stick shift transmission box) mount drums >on in put shaft and axles you can use both axles or one don't matter. mount >this box >on top of the strong metal frame box 8' to 10' high (Higher you go more energy >will be available, work safe) get a believer (positive minded person) friend >to help you. >Then try to play or get to know your machine, very importunate for your >safety. >Next what you do drill few holes on those drums size of the cable you are >going to use for your weights. >The purpose of this metal frame and small tractor transmission on top of it is >used to manipulate 2 different weights that are attached input ant the out put >of this transmission. ( took me long time to tune this monster up) You can >use, like 1st and >2nd gears or 2 nd and 3 rd gears together. >Lets say between your first and the second gear, or for example 1st 60 to 1; >2nd 46 to 1; the gear ratio difference between these two gears is 14 times >difference, right. > >The whole point what I am trying to say is this, you need to know the gear >ratio difference between two gears so you can determine right amount of weight >to oscillate up and down. When you know your transmission well, ratio and >stuff will be so easy to determine the right gears and amount of weights you >wish to use it. > >I am giving you the formula so you can figure out what you wish to do with it. >You could be one who owns a machine shop and you may want to make a system >that can handle lets say 20,000 lb. or even more weights. Once you know the >inside information go and do what ever you like to do it. > >So come back where we left it off; Once you have the right weights for the >transmission >you are using it, next you test your system, make sure you have some rubber >materials during the testing period until you decide what kind of work your >machine should do it for you. >The most safest way to experiment is to use small weights to see how this >operation >takes place, then you can go about and increase the weights. > >Your first goal should be this: By shifting lets say from 1st gear to 3rd you >should be able to see (smaller weight) at the input shaft of the transmission >and larger weight at the out put of the transmission to go up and down. As you >know the small weight will do the longer traveling then axle or output weight >will barely move. this could be from few to 10 to 20 inches depending on your >gear ratio and the height of your framing materials. > >Now please remember up to this point everything is manually shift: > >This is how to automate your system: From this point on see how you can make >your > machine to change the gears by itself? >Well, there many different ways to do this, clutch or break wires or they also >called >control cables. You need two sets of them one will be used to change the gear >as preferably lighter weight will go down, and with same manner your lighter >weight will push a some kind of metal bar that will cause the control cable to >change the gear opposite direction. >And once you do this you'll need to perfecting your system, don't give it >because this could be hardest part of the operation, but it is the most >rewarding experience >to see your own perpetual weight machine in action, working. You may lost >yourself as you'll be gazing upon this gizmo. > >That's it guys. I know some of you got the idea from the beginning and some of >you might say I got nothing out of this. Well, I used most simple terms in my >own way to explain the heart of the operation of this machine, as some of you >asked how is working and what does it drive? ( This was Stefan's question) >I have countless drawings but all are done by hand none of them are complete. >One of these days I might try to do a complete one to send some of you guys. >Visual people who gets the pic. once they see it... (like me :-)... ) > > Marry Christmas to all of you. > >MKSB. >Anyway, If you need specific help send me direct email to: >mksboysal@aol.com >and I will help you to build one too. > > > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Dec 27 18:50:06 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA00585; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 18:49:48 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 18:49:48 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 18:49:45 -0800 (PST) From: William Beaty Reply-To: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Newman Motor and "Scientific Integrity" In-Reply-To: <032d01be31ec$66977f40$488080d8@btech> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"RfN37.0.29.B7lXs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8225 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Sun, 27 Dec 1998, Bill Wallace` wrote: > Bill Beaty wrote: > >I'm sure that Eric Kreig would love to include such an article on his > >FE scams section (see http://www.syc.org/e/dennis.html) > > I will have to look at the site, thanks William! Another good one is Richard Feynman's discussion of SCIENTIFIC INTEGRITY, in this paper: CARGO CULT SCIENCE http://www.physics.brocku.ca/etc/cargo_cult_science.html (page down to the paragraph starting "Now it behooves me...") I know, I know. I'm always harping on this topic. (I don't recall if I was going on about it on FREENRG-L recently, I think Vortex was my most recent victim.) :) Inventors are not scientists. Feynman's article zeros in on a philosophy which few inventors practice: scientific integrity. Under no circumstances should we mistake "Scientific Integrity" for ordinary personal integrity. People of impeccable personal integrity can be totally lacking in Scientific Integrity. "Scientific Integrity" is, among other things, a habit of aiding our worst enemies in their campaign to destroy us! Scientific Integrity is based upon the idea that Reality will prevail, and that the voices of our theories and discoveries are far more powerful than any of the clever arguments we might originate ourselves. People who follow such a philosophy will do strange things, things which appear self-defeating. For example, they will provide a forum for their harshest crictics. A person of Scientific Integrity lacks all traces of defensiveness, and treats even hate-motivated criticism like gold. A person of Scientific Integrity will make a genuine effort to explain all of their anomalous results in conventional terms. A person of Scientific Integrity avoids self promotion, but instead is publicly self-critical. Isn't this attitude self-defeating? No, because a genuine discovery, once any emotional issues are stripped away, will defeat all critics. In the realm of the everyday world, we expect critics to swarm over any controversial idea and attempt to defeat it. Science is different. In properly-done science, WE OURSELVES act as our harshest critics. This saves LOTS of time, because we ourselves know the weakest points of our theories and discoveries, therefor we can focus the most rapid and efficient attack upon the exact spots where we'll do the most harm. A genuine discovery will either shrug off our attack, or its failure will unerringly point us to the areas which need far more work. Obviously there are many scientists who do not practice this sort of Scientific Integrity. The pinnacle of proper behavior is a place that's hard to reach. I am very aware that Scientific Integrity is a tough act to pull off, since the human ego is very hard to defeat. We easily fall in love with our own ideas, and therefor we try to preserve them against damage. We easily see ourselves as competing against others, and therefor we make efforts to win that competition. People who believe in themselves do not trash their own accomplishments. Competition and self-preservation is the normal and acceptable procedure for nearly everything in the non-science world. But it's the antithesis of scientific integrity. What about the Newman Motor? If I was Joe Newman, and if I was trying to attain perfect Scientific Integrity, then *I MYSELF* would be the first one to point out that those 2.25 inch sparks are not clear evidence for overunity, since the high voltage is expected to appear ACROSS the capacitor terminals, rather than jumping between one terminal and the case. I would note that high voltage means little, because voltage with low current is low wattage. I would point out that loud sounds, if they are brief, give a misleading idea about the energy involved, and that loud noises can be created by a total wattage which is very small. If I was practicing Feynman's "utter honesty -- a kind of leaning over backwards," then long ago *I MYSELF* would have disallowed the battery- charging effect as being evidence of O/U operation, since there is still a serious question about whether significant hidden energy can be extracted from dead batteries. I would nominate myself as the worst critic of my own creation, and I would perform my actions in public. But I'm not Joe Newman, and only Joe has the right to say how his device is to be developed and how it is presented to the public. I'm not on par with Mr. Newman in most other important departments: I have far too little stamina to do research on a shoestring. I wouldn't have had the courage to face down the USPTO and all the assorted detractors. Joe Newman's accomplishments are worthy of respect. If Bill Beaty discovered the Newman Effect, he would have been defeated long ago. As a bystander in all this, I still have a strong opinion (easy to do, when one doesn't have to do the actual work!) My opinion is this: If Mr. Newman wants to win the respect of the technical and scientific world, then he should consider using Scientific Integrity as a major weapon in his battle. Scientific Integrity is obviously a two-edged sword. Excessive self- criticism lets us talk ourselves out of forward progress. It can make us lower our defenses against the *EMOTIONAL* side of our detractors' arguments. It can weaken the will and sap our strength. Maintaining our self-confidence while attacking the very source of our self-confidence requires us to maintain a delicate balance, and the whole procedure is liable to backfire. There is something to be said for avoiding the practice of Scientific Integrity. On the other hand, the rewards can make it extremely worthwhile. The proving of our discoveries is greatly sped up. Holes in our arguments are rapidly plugged. Controversy stops being a personal battle, and instead becomes a debate on an elevated level. Scientists start seeing us as equals (or even superiors), not as ignorant outsiders. When compared to those who employ Scientific Integrity, opponents who use debunkery and low emotional arguments are exposed for what they are. ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com www.eskimo.com/~billb EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Dec 27 20:03:41 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA19476; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 20:03:30 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 20:03:30 -0800 Message-ID: <004201be3216$dbb082c0$15ea39cc@default> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: [off topic] Internet Luddites. Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 20:02:10 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"jiELp2.0.Dm4.ICmXs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8226 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hello Bill and all, This brings up a topic which is dear to my heart, that can be summed up in Marshall McCluhan's dictum, "the medium is the message". To me, the heart of the issue is not 'new' media as opposed to 'old', but what are "the tools to do the job" as you put it. As McCluhan said, the ways we communicate shape our communications. In the effort to make useful progress with my free energy and other research I have experimented with email, netphone, conferencing, ftp, and various kinds of chat. Each form emphasizes certain aspects of communication to the detriment of others. It really depends on what you are trying to do. I assume in what follows that the best way to accomplish real progress in alternative science research is to set up a small group which is focussed on a specific project and continues with that project until it is completed or is established not to work. I have not seen anything that would lead me to question that assumption. If you are trying to build working machinery within a small group context then email without attachments is not very useful at all. It is good for broadcasting of community information that is not graphics or math based. This leaves out most of science :-) In other words, it is good for making announcements-- "heads up" for useful information, which is why I still subscribe to the lists. Email is quite the time waster when it drifts from topic to topic without coming to any particular conclusion, which in my terms means without leading to the formation of a small group to begin building. Unfortunately, email tends to lead to precisely this. A lot of the problems we see with the lists are due to the fact that they tend to attract people who want to talk rather than work, and would rather make pronouncements than progress. This is only a tendency of course. The lists are still essential, if only because they are the place where most people first make contact with our particular little underworld :-) The only thing worse than email in terms of pointless back and forth is unfocussed chat, where you simply drop into an open chat room and see what is happening-- which is usually not much. On the other hand, focussed chat, where you plan on meeting with your group members on a regular schedule, is in my opinion totally essential for project completion, unless you happen to be nearby your other members. I strongly recommend chat structures like ICQ with additional focus built in by agreement. I've taken as my deliberate strategy using the lists as a tracker for interesting people to start projects with, and then setting up more intensive activities with them using ICQ. Without the prestructured chat, nothing really gets done. ICQ and similar media also allow rapid file transfer while you talk and this has proven very useful indeed. In conjunction with email for information of a permanent nature, this had proven to be a very workable system. The fact that it uses more modern technology is completely irrelevant. What is appropriate is what works, not what is new or old. Web sites seem to have little use unless you already have something that works ( or you want to pretend it does) and you want to broadcast it to the world. The exceptions are the cases like Jean- louis and Stefan who literally put their experiments on the web. If you have the capabilty for that, I think it is a good way to go. Ftp sites are quite useful if you have a lot of files to distribute to group members. Voice coms are still primitive, and tend to lead more to group solidarity (or the opposite :-) than any real work being done. I suspect the same thing would be true of video: relationships will develop (or not :-) but the information density goes down, just as it does with conversation as opposed to letters. I've experimented a little with Conference and Netmeeting and they promise to be pretty useful for technical coms. They allow you to draw on a white board so that the other group members can see it. It is amazing how misunderstandings are cleared up when you can draw the "two-wire caduceus coil on a ferrite toroid" or whatever. Technologies develop by historical accident, not as they would be most useful. All other things being equal, I suspect things would be a lot further along if Netmeeting had been developed before email. Fred >I dunno, I myself have similar feelings about internet. When "everybody" >leaps onto something, my response is to leap in the opposite direction. >Fortunately I was on the internet early on, in the ftp/gopher era, >otherwise I probably wouldn't even have an email address yet. Even today, >I'm a luddite: I'm a text-only fanatic, and I view Java, Frames, and >all-graphics websites with dismay From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Dec 27 20:27:53 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA28175; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 20:27:50 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 20:27:50 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 23:19:55 -0500 Subject: Re: Stirling engines Message-ID: <19981227.232642.-3837373.0.whitedogg1@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 2.0.11 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 9-13 X-Juno-Att: 0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: whitedogg1@juno.com (Scott L Edwards) Resent-Message-ID: <"41NnQ3.0.8u6.6ZmXs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8227 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com I too, would like info on the stirling heat engine, but do not have any to give. I agree with the 12v generator system on a lawnmower engine, as this is what I will use as a backup for my other more natural systems at my remote cabin in the missouri ozark mountains. I have an idea for a heat powered steam engine, which will only use one moving part! I am still in the formulation process, but as soon as i get thee idea fleshed out, i will post it here. It will run on sunlight focused on it from multiple mirrors, or frensel lenses, and produce pulses of mid to high voltage DC to charge a battery bank.. I will keep you posted, guys... should be ready to pass the idea on by end of week :) Sincerely yours, Scott ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Dec 27 22:17:09 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA23397; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 22:17:01 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 22:17:01 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19981228012444.008f3c90@cnct.com> X-Sender: knagel@cnct.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 01:24:46 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Keith Nagel Subject: Re: Newman's Capacitor Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"YHOF6.0.Qj5.S9oXs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8228 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 08:07 PM 12/27/98 -0600, you wrote: >The above circuit was proposed by Mitchell Jones. Since Joseph Newman has >not seen the above post, you are welcome to present it to him and request >his feedback. Well, I'm confused now. I thought you were presenting it as a description of Joes circuit. If thats not what it is, why post false information? This is hardly contributing to the conversation. It does a disservice to Mr Newman as well, don't you think all this silly controversy would die down if serious documentation was presented? I really thought we were making progress here, now we're back to square one. K. Oh yeah, almost forgot... >>>>>>>>>>1) the measured voltage across the cap's terminals at breakdown. >>>>>>>>>>2) the capacity in Farads. >>>>3) how the elements in the circuit are connected. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Dec 27 22:23:02 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA26491; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 22:22:59 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 22:22:59 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19981228013040.00c94370@cnct.com> X-Sender: knagel@cnct.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 01:30:42 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Keith Nagel Subject: Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman: 12/25/98 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Zitqw3.0.VT6.1FoXs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8229 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 04:18 PM 12/27/98 -0800, you wrote: >Yes, I was thinking of the primary circuit of induction coils. Here the cap >is across the interruptor, and is around the value that, when the >interruptor/commutator is opened, the (primary) coil and cap are now in >series and the initial conditions are 0 volts on the cap and the coil >current starts to charge it. (series resonant) (There is the coil's >distributed capacitance as well) If the cap is too large, the voltage >developed will not be large. If too small, "too much" arcing. Off hand 9uF >sounds too large, but 200 to 1000pF sounds too small... >The same kind of circuit is the points/cap/ignition coil primary circuit in >non-electronic ignition in cars. >-Dave > Yes, you've got the right idea. Usually I'm more interested in switch closure than open, I want the switch to close and stay that way, not open due to insufficient current flowing across the gap. So I choose values of C and R such that the decay occurrs long enough for the main discharge to reach a few amps... But I've seen the same trick applied to switch open. You see this circuit referred to as a "snubber" in the literature. The 200-1000pf range just an estimate for the case to terminal capacity; I didn't intend to imply that it was being used to achieve this effect. K. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Dec 27 23:06:17 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id XAA05720; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 23:06:15 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 23:06:15 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 02:16:13 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: Re: Newman's Capacitor Resent-Message-ID: <"jOotF3.0.HP1.ctoXs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8230 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >At 08:07 PM 12/27/98 -0600, you wrote: >>The above circuit was proposed by Mitchell Jones. Since Joseph Newman has >>not seen the above post, you are welcome to present it to him and request >>his feedback. > >Well, I'm confused now. I thought you were presenting it as a >description of Joes circuit. If thats not what it is, why post >false information? This is hardly contributing to the conversation. >It does a disservice to Mr Newman as well, don't you think >all this silly controversy would die down if serious documentation >was presented? I really thought we were making progress here, >now we're back to square one. > >K. > >Oh yeah, almost forgot... > >>>>>>>>>>>1) the measured voltage across the cap's terminals at breakdown. >>>>>>>>>>>2) the capacity in Farads. >>>>>3) how the elements in the circuit are connected. Dear Keith, If you find the controversy "silly" then I find it interesting that you choose to engage in it. For the record, I originally posted a statement prepared by Joseph Newman regarding his technology. The statement did not "attack", "ridicule", nor "engage in initiated sarcasm" with anyone. If others choose to create and/or indulge in controversy as their response, then the resultant "silly controversy" (to use your terminology) is their 'property'. Regarding your comment above: I believe it was reasonably obvious as to the nature of the post by Mitchell Jones. And the information presented was the perspective of Mr. Jones. If you find it "false" you are welcome to discuss why you think it is false with Mr. Jones. Others have commented that they have found Mr. Jones's post to be most interesting and informative. To each his own.... :-) If you wish to continue your initiated and repetitive questions, I would suggest (for the benefit of the other members of this list) that you communicate with me privately in this regard. I have previously provided a response to your three questions. [Response again provided: As I explained previously, one may contact Joseph Newman directly via telephone at (602) 657-3722 or one may elect to wait for additional details to be provided by Joseph Newman.] If the response is acceptable, that is fine with me. If the response is not acceptable, that is also fine with me. It is _you_ who choose to be at "square one" ... and, as far as I am concerned, you are more than welcome to remain there if you wish for the termination of the universe or your biological termination [whichever comes sooner]. :-) In your particular case, Keith, you are welcome to love my response, like my response, hate my response, continue to repetitively respond to my response (as you have been doing), or ignore my response --- the choice is yours and either of these choices is fine with me. Others may find your initiated repetition less than enjoyable and, for their sake, I would therefore suggest we move this interchange to private email. Of course, if you choose not to do this, that also is fine with me. I have at least made the invitation and offer to move our interchange in this regard to private email. Best wishes for a Happy New Year, Evan Soule' From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sun Dec 27 23:08:13 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id XAA06925; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 23:08:09 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 23:08:09 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 02:18:07 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: Re: Newman Motor and "Scientific Integrity" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id XAA06865 Resent-Message-ID: <"bYBM52.0.wh1.OvoXs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8231 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >> Bill Beaty wrote: snip-- > >On the other hand, the rewards can make it extremely worthwhile. The >proving of our discoveries is greatly sped up. Holes in our arguments are >rapidly plugged. Controversy stops being a personal battle, and instead >becomes a debate on an elevated level. Scientists start seeing us as >equals (or even superiors), not as ignorant outsiders. When compared to >those who employ Scientific Integrity, opponents who use debunkery and low >emotional arguments are exposed for what they are. > >((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) >William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website >billb@eskimo.com www.eskimo.com/~billb >EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science >Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L Dear Bill, The above is a well written commentary on your part. But then, you have written a number of sensible, down-to-earth treatises over the past two years! Actually, two of my greatest scientific heros --- heros who were both inventors AND scientists (IMO) --- were the Wright Brothers. They were not only major technological innovators, but cosmological innovators as well. Their wind tunnel experiments were a testament to their creative (as well as constructive) geniuses. And they essentially financed their aeroplane invention with apr. $1,000 of their own money --- no federal grants or subsidies! I suppose if they had any fault at all, it would lie in their fundamental naiveté --- a naiveté which led to the plunder of their work by others, and long bitter struggles with the PTO and the Smithsonian Institution. But then again, it may have been their naiveté in part which contributed to their original success .... they were 'naive' enough to believe they could really succeed in doing something which had never been done before! Or, from another perspective, they were too busy being creative to become discouraged. All inventors and scientists would do well to emulate the methodology of these two high-quality individuals. Regards, Evan Soule' From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Dec 28 04:28:43 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id EAA14528; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 04:28:26 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 04:28:26 -0800 Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 13:28:20 +0100 Message-Id: <199812281228.NAA07466@smtp.hb.vossnet.de> X-Sender: leoguitar@pop3.vossnet.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: harti@harti.com (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: Newman's Capacitor is just accross the coil ! Cc: newman-l@emachine.com Resent-Message-ID: <"tEwWV3.0.rY3.gbtXs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8232 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi, somebody has posted some ASCII graphics regarding the Capacitor Joe Newman uses in his new motor. I guess, it is just parallel accross the coil. So we have the circuit: Battery->commutator->coil with cap in parallel This is the most logical setup. Any other way around it does not make sense. Regards, Stefan. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Dec 28 05:19:13 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id FAA23630; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 05:19:10 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 05:19:10 -0800 Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 06:18:59 -0700 (MST) From: "Jorg D. Ostrowski" X-Sender: jdo@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca To: Scott L Edwards Cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Stirling engines In-Reply-To: <19981227.232642.-3837373.0.whitedogg1@juno.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"sUDMm2.0.7n5.ELuXs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8233 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Scott: I too would be interested to see any progress. We are considering combining our solar oven with a small stirling engine for cogeneration. There is at least one stirling expert on this list. Jorg Ostrowski _________________________________________________________________________ On Sun, 27 Dec 1998, Scott L Edwards wrote: > > I too, would like info on the stirling heat engine, but do not have any > to give. I agree with the 12v generator system on a lawnmower engine, as > this is what I will use as a backup for my other more natural systems at > my remote cabin in the missouri ozark mountains. I have an idea for a > heat powered steam engine, which will only use one moving part! I am > still in the formulation process, but as soon as i get thee idea fleshed > out, i will post it here. It will run on sunlight focused on it from > multiple mirrors, or frensel lenses, and produce pulses of mid to high > voltage DC to charge a battery bank.. I will keep you posted, guys... > should be ready to pass the idea on by end of week :) > > Sincerely yours, > > Scott > > ___________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html > or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Dec 28 07:14:56 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id HAA19083; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 07:14:48 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 07:14:48 -0800 X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhRTstCY9DFp9UD0EUFxlPgZOaufyQIVALuJnz7zZqRTtYrmaCNUH1PfWIRR From: dennisgarrett@webtv.net (Dennis Garrett) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 07:14:47 -0800 (PST) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Newman's Capacitor Message-ID: <29834-3687A067-708@mailtod-172.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule)'s message of Mon, 28 Dec 1998 02:16:13 -0600 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"4nXyo2.0._f4.e1wXs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8234 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com will someone please call joe? if as evan says, joe knows, why hasn't somone called him? will someone please call joe? regards, Dennis From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Dec 28 07:17:13 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id HAA19773; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 07:17:12 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 07:17:12 -0800 X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRNWeSk8K8xhGNpC+zSp5MAjYtszwIUXOpb45F8rrpltQKK/y81mxKB09g= From: dennisgarrett@webtv.net (Dennis Garrett) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 07:17:11 -0800 (PST) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Newman's Capacitor Message-ID: <29833-3687A0F7-773@mailtod-172.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule)'s message of Mon, 28 Dec 1998 02:16:13 -0600 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"JK7ub1.0.sq4.t3wXs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8235 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com keith. phone joe. regards, Dennis From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Dec 28 09:17:13 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA26449; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 09:17:08 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 09:17:08 -0800 Message-ID: <3687D89D.7D50DDF2@itn.cl> Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 14:14:37 -0500 From: Felix Meyer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Newman's Capacitor References: <3.0.32.19981227184342.00c9ad70@cnct.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"mhg-O.0.AT6.KqxXs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8236 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com > >The indicated layout, therefore, would seem to be as follows: > > > > > > *-------->---------*------------->-----------* > > | | | > > | | | > > - | | v > > 110 V 5000 V Newman's > > Battery Capacitor Motor > > + | | v > > | | | > > | | | > > *-------<----------*------------<------------* > > > >The above circuit is very simple: we have a 110 volt battery, a "very > >large" 5000 volt capacitor, and Newman's motor, all connected in parallel > >with one another. > > > >Posted by Evan Soule' Hi Evan, here all is connected in parallel, which apparently makes no sense. But you know, that a wire is by itself a resistor, inductor and between 2 wires you form a capacitor, so you may draw a quite complex circuit. The value of all those elements depend on the lengts of the wires, the diameter and the distance, as well as upon the material used... etc. If you want something more than just a Puff, Baeng, Plump and Pfiffff the you should add 2 real inductors in series to the lines from the Capacitor to the Motor and add a second Capacitor of about .5 uf in parallel to the existing capacitor. Then measure the current and voltage simultaneously on the 2 lines between Capacitor an battery with scope and good instruments and let us know the result. The purpose of this is to measure the real power flowing from or to the battery. This may lead to something more than playing around ... regards Felix From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Dec 28 10:57:45 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA31025; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 10:57:37 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 10:57:37 -0800 X-Sender: richarda@mailhub.icx.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 11:52:59 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Richard Austin Subject: Newman's Presentation Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id KAA31005 Resent-Message-ID: <"xb4Tb3.0.ga7.XIzXs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8237 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Evan, I would like to make a suggestion. If Mr. Newman has something of value, he should tell us what it is in detail so we can verify what he is doing. If we don't know what he is doing, we can't endorse it, understand it, or evolve it. If he is not forthcoming (or as his representative here on this forum, you are not forthcoming) with the facts of his presentation, then we are all wasting our time with this. If you and Mr. Newman have something to present, please present it in a complete, forthcoming, and open manner as JL is doing. Give the circuit diagrams, the measurements, and every FACT at your disposal. Answer every question, with completeness, to the b est of your abilities. If you or he is not willing to do this, then I ask that you please consider withdrawing from this list and not wasting precious time with partial details and claims. Richard Austin -- email: richarda@icx.net -- radio: KG7SU Institute for Planetary Renewal http://user.icx.net/~richarda From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Dec 28 10:57:46 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA31071; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 10:57:42 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 10:57:42 -0800 X-Sender: richarda@mailhub.icx.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <681ff9c.36866d24@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 13:57:28 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Richard Austin Subject: Re: Stirling engines Cc: RHammar860@AOL.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id KAA31046 Resent-Message-ID: <"BGov01.0.Kb7.cIzXs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8238 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com For those interested in Stirling engines I have put my ideas for Stirling engine development on my web pages. If you would like to help develop a low cost Stirling engine then we could correspond privately. This site is: http://user.icx.net/~richarda/energy.html This is not exactly free energy, but it could be low cost energy which is in the right direction. I don't want to take away from true free energy discussions on the free energy list server. Perhaps we could start a thread here which folks could ignore who are not interested or use another listserver or discuss privately by email. There were at least 3 folks who were interested here. > >Are you saying that you think your design that you have would be affordable >and a practical machine if you had the time and money to build it? If so >maybe I may be of help to you. > >Please E-Mail me privitly > >Ron Hammar >E-Mail RHammar860@AOL.com Richard Austin -- email: richarda@icx.net -- radio: KG7SU Institute for Planetary Renewal http://user.icx.net/~richarda From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Dec 28 11:22:02 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA10313; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 11:21:56 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 11:21:56 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 11:21:47 -0800 (PST) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Newman's Capacitor (long) (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"udP4f1.0.2X2.JfzXs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8239 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Newman Motor Electrostatics, forwarded from VortexB ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 00:40:28 -0800 (PST) From: William Beaty To: vortexb-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Newman's Capacitor (long) On Fri, 25 Dec 1998, Mitchell Jones wrote: > ***{Hi Bill. Sorry for the delay in getting around to this. I have been > busily fulfilling my role as "consumer," doing my bit to hold up the Heh. Me, I gave gift certificates this year. Also, I assume that most people will avoid replying to my book-length messages which tend to double in size on each round of replies. :) > >Yes, but the charged particles are air, and they tend to move with the > >breeze > > ***{The motor is presumably operating indoors and, thus, there would be no > breeze worthy of the name. The closed loop airflow pattern that would occur > around the motor housing might pick up some charged particles, but they > would tend to return to their original positions on subsequent passes > through the loop. I would doubt they would return unless there was a surrounding strong e-field to attract them. Imagine it this way: glue some burning incense cones to the motor, each one in the place where some charged air MIGHT be emitted, then spin the motor by hand with no power applied. Does the smoke fill the room, or does it stay in a ball around the rotor? I would expect it to fill the room because the moving armature supplies a breeze; a "stirring" motion. > Given the absence of a linear airflow pattern to move > such particles away from the circuit, I doubt that the resulting potential > difference would be very large. --Mitchell Jones}*** > > unless they come close to a grounded object. > > ***{"Ground" is merely a pre-existing network of conductive pathways by > which electrical currents that have been forced through wires can be > inexpensively routed back to the locations from whence they came, thereby > preventing the buildup of an opposing charge at those locations. I disagree. In electrostatics, "Ground" is any sufficiently large, conductive object which will not become electrified when excess charge is dumped into it. It has little to do with the idea of "circuit common." If I put x microcoulombs on a grounded conductor, its potential won't change. One weird type of electrostatic ground: the inside of any hollow metal container. This is the famous "Faraday's ice pail effect." If electric charge is deposited onto the inner surface of a container, the pattern of charge immediately vanishes (it moves to the outside of the container.) It doesn't matter how much charge is dumped onto the inner surface, the charge always vanishes, and more charge can be dumped there. This is how Vandegraaff generators attain a much higher voltage than the small voltage of the corona-comb power supply. > If only one side is connected to ground, charges do > not move and work does not get done. ... that's a rule of thumb for circuitry, but it does not apply to electrostatics. In electrostatics, complete circuits no longer apply, and charge can be emitted into space with no need for a return path. Without a return path, potential difference will build up continuously. In circuitry, the charge going into a wire or component is always equal to the charge going out. In electrostatics, significant charge can go into a wire or component without simultaneously coming back out, but the voltage on that component must become huge. > It is for this reason that ground > cannot be said to be attractive of an airborne charge that was extracted > from a floating circuit, because the floating circuit, by definition, is > not connected to ground. Hmmm. I don't quite know how to respond to this. Please don't take it personally, but your reasoning is flat out wrong. Conductive objects always attract charged objects (and vice-versa) because of the formation of surface image-charges by electrostatic induction. Rub a balloon on your head and stick it to the refrigerator. That's a simple example of electrostatic inductive attraction. Your head acts as the "floating circuit", while the large metal fridge door acts like "ground", and the the balloon is the "charged air." Even though your hair has no connection to the fridge, the balloon is still attracted. The origin of the charged object does not matter, ANY charged object will be attracted to ANY conductive, neutral object. (In fact, a charged object will be attracted to any non-conductive object too, but this is because of induced polarization of the dielectric substance, not because of the conductivity of the neutral object.) A cloud of charged air will be strongly attracted to any neutral metal object because of the image-charge forces that attracted the balloon to the fridge, unless of course that metal object already has a net-charge with polarity the same as that of the charged air. Our two experiences plainly differ, because in my work with simple electrostatics, I've frequently used grounded plates to scavenge up flows of charged air, and to act as "antennas" for detecting the polarity of ion clouds or the net microamperes of charged air flow. I also fiddle with balloons. :) > Instead, an equal and opposite charge will > necessarily be present at that point in the circuit from which the > electrons were stripped, and as soon as the electrons become airborne, they > will be drawn back toward that point, rather than toward ground. This is true. If some part of Newman's machine was emitting charged air, the departing electric current would cause that part of the machine to develop a high voltage of opposite polarity, which would create a surrounding e-field, which would attract the air back to the device, which would collapse the e-field and eliminate the high voltage again. However, if something were to interrupt this process halfway through, high voltage would be the result. The process could be interrupted if something tended to drive the charged air away from its point of origin on the machine (a gas jet from the arcing contacts for example, or simply corona discharges plus the rotary motion of the device.) The value of the high voltage would grow until it was just strong enough to oppose the mechanical force which was pulling the charged air away. How much mechanical force creates how high a voltage? It depends on the density of charge in the air, among many other things, but small forces on the "everyday" scale of things tend to involve thousands of volts. If ions are floating on the gentle breeze, expect many thousands of volts to be present. > ***{The question is, why would the electrons go to ground, given that there > is no pathway through ground by which they can return to the equal and > opposite charges which they left behind? ...because charged air is always attracted to nearby conductive objects, and "ground" is a nearby conductive object. Ever play with a "Zerostat" record-cleaner gun? This "gun" has a big piezoceramic block, and when the trigger is squeezed, the needle tip emits a few microamps flow of charged air. If this gun is aimed at ANY conductive object, the object will attract the charged air, and the object will become charged. If this gun is aimed at a conductive *grounded* object, the object will attract the charged air, but the object will not become charged. Ground "eats" charge, and is always hungry for more. The charging process can easily be monitored with a microamp meter. The gun need not have any connection to ground, but if it lacks a connection, it will rapidly develop a charge opposite in polarity to the ions being emitted. > We can apply some math to this, and find out what kind of > >"escaped current" would be needed. A human body is about 100pF > >capacitance to ground, so lets say that the motor is 1000pF. The > >linear-rising capacitor voltage for constant current charging is V=I*T/C, > >and if V=100KV and T=7sec, then I=14uA. > > ***{Agreed. Here is an interesting riddle for the group: prove that the > energy, E, stored in a capacitor is equal to (1/2)CVf^2, regardless of > whether the energy is supplied by a constant current source, or by a > constant voltage source. (Note: C is the capacitance and Vf is the final > voltage across the plates of the capacitor when fully charged. Assume that > one lead of the capacitor is connected to the positive terminal of the > power source, that the other, via a switch, is connected to the negative > terminal, and that charging begins when the switch is closed.) Use algebra > in your proof, not calculus. I inadvertently stepped into this while > checking your math, above, and found the resulting insight to be very > worthwhile. --Mitchell Jones}*** > > If the inductive surges in the > >main coil can spit out an average of 14 microamps indirectly into the > >earth, this will cause the circuit to climb to 100KV, and cause those big > >sparks. > > ***{I repeat: airborne electrons stripped from a floating circuit would not > be attracted to the earth. Instead, they would be attracted to the positive > charges from which they had been removed. You're right, but you're forgetting that the positively charged circuit HAS A POSITIVE POTENTIAL, otherwise it would not attract the electrons. How large a potential? Just large enough to fight the mechanical stirring which tends to pull the charged air away from the positively-charged circuit. From my experience, small forces like this would be in the range of 5000 volts at least. Think like this: how much force must the motor of a VandeGraaf generator apply to the belt in order to drive the charged belt up into the alike-charged sphere? If the sphere is at 0V, then the motor does no work other than that needed to satisfy bearing friction force. As the sphere's potential rises, the motor starts to do a tiny bit of work. At ten thousand volts, even a tiny battery-powered motor cannot be heard to be laboring. At 100Kv there starts to be a small force, and a weak motor will change its sound. If Newman's device is rotating at a 30 RPM, then the "vandegraff belt" force applied to the air should be able to support a few thousand volts at the very least. 100KV is pretty high, but the length of the sparks suggest that 100KV might be present, since a 5000V spark is not 2" in length! > >The voltage on the circuit would rise until it succeeded in creating > >"electric breeze" and thus attracting the charged air. We'd really need > >at least tens of thousands of volts to attract a 14uA current of charged > >air across a few feet > > ***{The question you need to answer is how the negatively charged air > particles would be able to move even a millionth of an inch, let alone "a > few feet," against potential differences of "tens of thousands of volts." > It makes no sense to spend time speculating about how the opposing charges > would be able to get back together, until we have a plausible answer to the > question of how they could become separated in the first place. --Mitchell > Jones}*** Right! What part of the Newman Motor would spit charges? There would have to already be a high voltage somewhere in the system (maybe 1000V) which could provide the intial boost to get charges out of the metal and into the air. The arcs at the commutator are an obvious suspect. Once they were in the air, then the presence of any tiny "breeze" would the charges away from their origin, up until the growing voltage stopped them. If I didn't know about the 2" sparks, I would predict that any sort of "vandegraaff" voltage amplification effect would only produce a few thousand volts. In rereading old messages, I see that the Newman motor is described as being within an "iron pipe" enclosure. Big question: is that enclosure grounded? To create big discharges every 7 seconds, it would only have to be grounded well enough so it could support our 14uA current and not develop a huge voltage. If the "static" voltage on the iron enclosure is below 100v, then the resistance to ground must be below 100v/14uA = 7megs (a very poor ground!) If the enclosure had metal legs, that might be enough to "ground" it. As the rotor spewed its 14uA current into the air, the current would be swallowed by the inner surface of the enclosure. The potential on the entire rotor/battery/ capacitor assembly would rise greatly, until either there was a discharge, or until the e-field between the circuit and the interior of the enclosure became a strong enough barrier that it would stop any more airborne charges from being attracted to the metal. None of this can occur unless some part of the rotor circuit spews charged air. Since this is a DC system, it is not impossible that the inductive spikes have just one polarity, and the commutator arcs are leaking some microamperes directly into the surrounding space. > , and if the charged air was mostly being wafted away > >from the coil, it would end up being attracted to ground, rather than > >finding its way back to the coil and the circuit. > > ***{No. In order for "ground" to be attractive, it must provide a pathway > back to the equal and opposite charges that were left behind. When a > circuit is floating, this condition fails to be met *by definition.* Nope, the "complete circuit" rule is broken for electrostatic phenomena. That's almost the *definition* of electrostatic phenomena. When charges are removed from an object and never put back again, the voltage on that object skyrockets. Lack of complete circuits and the presence of kilovolts, that's what "electrostatics" is all about. Once airborn charges are moved away from their source, they can be grabbed up by a neutral conductive object. > >Some exotic VDG machines use jets of charged air as the "belt." > > ***{Perhaps, but there is nothing in Newman's setup to remove charges from > the stream of air before they return to the locations of the positive > charges from whence they came. Thus even if we assume a site somewhere in > his gadget which attaches electrons to air particles, that is not enough. > We need to postulate an additional site, external to his machine, which > removes the attached electrons. In my view, the need to postulate such a > double coincidence does not augur well for this theory. Yet the iron enclosure (if indeed that design is the one which makes 2.25" sparks) provides a nearly ideal "charge collector." > I do, of course, > see where you are coming from: it is also highly implausible that the > machine is "over unity." Thus you are willing to introduce what you regard > as lesser implausibilities in an attempt to avoid that conclusion. Not really, because I'm the owner of a weird hammer (electrostatics experience), so when I hear about 2.25" sparks, I automatically suspect the presence of strange-yet-conventional phenomena. Accidental creation of VandeGraaff machines is hardly rare. Printing presses and fluid spray systems do it all the time. In the early 1800's they were using steam boilers with carved wooden jets as electrostatic generators. I just heard from someone that their Tesla coil will operate my DC electrostatic "pop bottle" motor if the motor is placed several feet away, which suggests that AC tesla coils commonly spit tens of microamps of DC into the surrounding space. Spontaneous electrostatic generators are a nuisance, not a rarity. (continued) ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com www.eskimo.com/~billb EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Dec 28 11:36:58 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA15749; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 11:36:55 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 11:36:55 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 11:36:51 -0800 (PST) From: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Newman's Capacitor (2nd half) (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"LJhzZ2.0.-r3.NtzXs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8240 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Newman Motor Electrostatics, forwarded from VortexB ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 11:15:17 -0800 (PST) From: William Beaty To: vortexb-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Newman's Capacitor (2nd half) On Fri, 25 Dec 1998, Mitchell Jones wrote: > And, > admittedly, it is difficult to argue against your theory as it pertains to > Newman's setup, due to the lack of specific details about the apparatus > that he is using. However, since the same basic setup is being used by J. > L. Naudin, and since the same effect--i.e., the ramping of voltage way > above that available from the power source--is occurring there, I really > don't see why you continue to focus exclusively on Newman's setup. I've read lots of the JL Naudin pages, but missed the part about slow ramping to a voltage greater than his 620V power supply. I see stuff about large spikes, and measurements of strange reversed currents. Or was this something that was discussed only on freenrg-L? > Is it > not clear that the claimed voltage ramping effects are virtually certain to > be the same in both instances, and that if one setup is "over unity" it is > extremely likely that the other is as well? After all, Naudin built his > device for the specific purpose of testing out Newman's "over unity" > claims. Surely you are willing, therefore, to concede that if Naudin is > "over unity," then so is Newman. Given that state of affairs, why don't we > shift the focus of this discussion to the Naudin device? There, all the > details are out in the open, and we can assess the validity of your > floating charge theory without guesswork. --Mitchell Jones}*** Yes. If Naudin's device is like Newman's big machine and creates voltages that are (maybe) 200 times higher than the power supply voltage, then the "huge spark phenomenon" has definitely been replicated. If Naudin's device can even charge itself slowly up to 10x its power supply, to 6KV, then that effect would be similar enough to the one which SEEMS to be occurring with Newman's Scottsdale motor. > >To form a VDG inside Newman's machine, we'd just need a few > >hundred volts to create some slight DC corona discharge of at least 14 > >microamps. The obvious source is the commutator sparking, it already is a > >corona discharge. 14 microamps would hardly be missed. We'd also need > >something to gently fan the resulting charged air away from the coil, so > >that the charged air would tend to seek out ground, rather than going back > >to the coil again. The rotor might give enough of a breeze. As the > >static voltage on the coil rose higher, it would eventually create > >significant electrostatic forces, and would begin to suck all the charged > >air back to itself, so the voltage would rise to a maximum and level off. > >This would commence when the voltage was in the range of many tens of KV, > >I imagine. > > ***{I believe this is fallacious. Before an electron can move several feet > away from a multi-kilovolt positive charge, it must first move one > millionth of an inch, and the forces which that requires will be > enormous--far, far greater than even hurricane force winds can supply. Let's see... If our 14uA flow of charged air is about 10cm diameter and 10cm long, what voltage will be the equivalent of "gentle fanning?" I'll ignore the "image charge" forces by assuming that the metal of the rotor attracts the charge just as strongly as the metal of the inner surface of the iron enclosure. Let's say that "gentle fanning" is the equivalent to the weight of a 10 gram mass applied across the 10cm slug of air, that's about .1 Newton force (weight force is KG times 9.8M/S^2). Watts is energy per second, equals volts times amps, and amps is charge per second, therefor Joules/sec = volts * coulombs/sec, seconds cancel out, so energy is charge times volts. (Sensible, since "Volt" is defined as the potential that stores a Joule of energy when a Coulomb is transported across that voltage.) Energy is Q*V, and energy is also F*D, force applied over distance, so QV=FD, therefor volts is FD/Q, or .1Nt times .1meter divided by 14e-6, equals 714 volts. Very small! Less than 1000 volts! At 714v the energy in our 1000pF capacitor is 1/2CV^2, or 255 microjoules, which is orders of magnitude less than a "doorknob spark", and certainly far too small to make a "bang." If a "bang" sound is 100 watts for 10mS, that's one joule. If we want a 1000pF capacitor to go "bang", we need something more like one joule, or 45KV, not 0.7KV! OK OK, my intuition is off by 100. (Or by 10, since I would expect 5000v to appear because of ion breeze effects.) Unless image-charge attraction within the coaxial-shaped space inside the enclosure can provide 50 times more force, then my "VandeGraaff" effect only provides tiny sparks that go "click", not inches-long sparks that go "bang." I'll check my reasoning and algebra, but I'm pretty sure I did it right. When I go back to Microscan tomorrow I'll type the whole thing into a spreadsheet so I can play with it. > (If > hurricane force winds could charge objects to hundreds of thousands of > volts, then each hurricane would kill thousands of people by electrocution. > But it doesn't happen.) --Mitchell Jones}*** Right, because there are no inductor-pulsed coronas in hurricanes to supply the charged air in the first place. If there were, the high voltages wouldn't necessarily electrocute anyone, it would be more like a major "Saint Elmo's Fire" episode on the high seas. > Tabletop VDG machines easily go to many hundreds KV, and > >generate sparks longer than 12", so if Newman's machine is creating a > >"VandeGraaff-like" phenomena, it is only 1/10 the voltage of a small VDG > >tabletop machine. > > ***{This is because they mechanically transport static charges from a > carefully designed pickup site to a carefully designed delivery site. There > is nothing in the Newman setup which fits this bill of particulars and, > indeed, Naudin's measurements make it clear that the voltage increase does > *not* reflect a floating of the circuit above ground, but rather an actual > increase in the potential difference from the negative to the positive side > of the circuit. Since Naudin's apparatus is an attempt to test the Newman > claims, I think we have to assume that the observed voltage increase on the > Newman apparatus is also not due to a floating of his circuit above ground. > --Mitchell Jones}*** Whhich sub-page on Naudin's site shows measurements of a slow rise to above the power supply voltage? > >But the whole circuit would become lethal > >long before 5000V. After the first minute, I wouldn't want to stand on > >the ground and then touch any part of the coil circuit. High voltage > >energy storage capacitors are nasty. > > ***{Yup. And that is the clearest possible refutation of your theory: if > his circuit had floated 5000 volts above ground, Newman would already be > dead. Since he isn't, your theory must be false. --Mitchell Jones}*** No, I was suggesting that an *additional* capacitor to ground be added. If the present parasitic capacitance is 1000pF according to my original crude estimate, then 5000v would give a nasty jolt (ten times worse than a strong "doorknob spark," more like a small leyden jar,) but should only be dangerous for somebody with a heart condition. If part of Newman's device is launching 2" sparks to ground right now, I imagine that it would convince everyone to stay clear of the circuit during operation. I wonder if anyone has been jolted yet by the present spark-generation effect. It should hurt. A lot. > >However, you know what they say. "To a guy with a hammer, everything > >looks like a nail"... and to a guy who runs an electrostatic generator > >website, any big spark implies the presence of mechanical charge-pump > >phenomena! :) > > ***{Interesting. What is the link to your website? --MJ}*** MAIN: http://www.amasci.com E-STATS: http://www.amasci.com/emotor/statelec.html VDGs: http://www.amasci.com/emotor/vdg.html MISCON: http://www.amasci.com/emotor/stmiscon E-MOTOR: http://www.amasci.com/emotor/emotor.html ANALOGY: http://www.amasci.com/redgreen.html DETECT: http://www.amasci.com/emotor/chargdet.html > >I've > >heard that people have been killed by barb wire fences in wintertime: the > >wooden posts freeze, which makes them insulating, then the blowing snow > >crystals whack the metal wire and create contact charging. > > ***{I don't believe this theory. It is true that water conducts a current > by means of moving ions and, when water freezes, the ions are unable to > move; hence ice is a good insulator. However, the wire on a fence is > attached to wooden fence posts by means of metal staples. The cell > structure within a wooden post always carries a significant percentage of > its weight in water, and the water carries lots of "antifreeze" types of > molecules in it, plus lots of ions to conduct a current. Result: there is > alway a good clear path from wire to ground somewhere along a fence line of > any length, even at temperatures far, far below freezing, and thus there is > no way for a large static charge to build up. That's what I would predict: parallel leakage from hundreds of fence posts should drain the charge faster than the ice particle collisions build it up. However, since I've encountered several independent stories about yard-long sparks leaping from fence rows in winter, then either they are tall tales and urban legends, or frozen fenceposts are sufficiently insulating. There *IS* an obvious electrostatic generator present when snow blows on a fence, so perhaps people get mildly zapped by fences, but then the story grows with retelling until the sparks are a yard long, and occasionally kill livestock and unwary humans. > By the time the temperature > reaches the exceedingly low levels required to turn wooden fence posts into > insulators, the wires themselves are going to long since have been coated > with ice and, thus, immune to contact charging from blowing snowflakes. In windy upstate NY winters at low temperatures, very few objects are covered with ice coatings, since ice evaporates. But you're right, the metal would have to be bare in order for contact electrification to occur. > Touch a wire > >that's several miles long and has 50KV on it, and it won't go "snap", > >it'll go "bang!" > > ***{And witches ride brooms. :-) --MJ}*** Hey, there's that guy from 3M, the ESD-remediation expert who was involved with the "mysterious invisible wall" event, see: http://www.amasci.com/weird/unusual/e-wall.html http://www.esdjournal.com/articles/weird/dswenson.htm If people and livestock are killed by farm fences in winter, he probably can quote references off the top of his head. I hope I still have his email addr. > >Naudin got slowly-rising kilovolts and big sparks? Or do you just mean > >that Naudin gets "Newman Effect" overunity? > > ***{No, what he got was the same central effect as we have been discussing: > the operation of his motor produced an elevation of the voltage between the > negative and the positive sides of his circuit. His power supply was 220 > volts, yet when he operated his machine for awhile, the voltage rose to 620 > volts. I see one schematic with similar values, but that's not O/U. It is a classic "voltage doubler" power supply circuit which should produce 2 * 1.41 * 220Vac = 616Vdc as part of its normal operation. Naudin *starts* with 620Vdc, then the voltage ramps down as his Newman motor runs. There is an anomaly, because the motor runs for ten times longer than it should. But there is no evidence of an electrostatic generator, as there is with Newman's motor at Scottsdale. > If the big Newman Motor is > >inadvertantly forming a gas-belt VandeGraaff machine, then the big sparks > >are not necessarily part of the "Newman Effect." However, if the high > >voltage, low current energy could be gathered, it might comprise up to ten > >more watts of energy excess. Somebody could even pull a "testatika" trick: > >use the DC high voltage to run an electrostatic disk-motor which aids the > >rotation of the Newman Motor's rotor. If Mr. Newman is close to attaining > >self-running operation, such a thing could push it past the self-running > >threshold. Hmmm. Re-reading my above comment leads me to wonder if the Testatika inventor followed a similar line of reasoning: starting with an almost-OU generator which created an electrostatic side effect, then harnessing the electrostatic wattage to boost the operation past 100%. ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com www.eskimo.com/~billb EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Dec 28 12:55:27 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA17590; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 12:55:04 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 12:55:04 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 16:05:01 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: Re: Newman's Presentation Resent-Message-ID: <"HRHCi3.0.lI4.e0_Xs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8241 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >Evan, I would like to make a suggestion. > >If Mr. Newman has something of value, he should tell us what it is in >detail so we can verify what he is doing. > >If we don't know what he is doing, we can't endorse it, understand it, or >evolve it. If he is not forthcoming (or as his representative here on this >forum, you are not forthcoming) with the facts of his presentation, then >we are all wasting our time with this. > >If you and Mr. Newman have something to present, please present it in a >complete, forthcoming, and open manner as JL is doing. Give the circuit >diagrams, the measurements, and every FACT at your disposal. Answer every >question, with completeness, to the best of your abilities. > >If you or he is not willing to do this, then I ask that you please >consider withdrawing from this list and not wasting precious time with >partial details and claims. > > >Richard Austin -- email: richarda@icx.net -- radio: KG7SU >Institute for Planetary Renewal http://user.icx.net/~richarda Dear Richard, Thanks for your comments. Just to let you know --- I have no control or "say so" over what/when/how/why Joseph Newman provides information to post. You may or may not find a given post of particular value, others (who may be more familiar with the nature of the technology) may find the post of far greater value. If it makes one feel better, one is welcome to "complain" to me and/or provide positive/negative feedback; however, logistics being what they are, Joe will generally not be seeing that post. Occasionally I print out emails and then fax them to Joe (who may or may not read them in a 'timely' manner). However, my phone bill has been rather 'healthy' lately, so I endeavor to minimize faxes. When Joe provides me with additional information, I'll be happy to post it. As I have previously indicated, one can like it, love it, ignore it, or leave it. That is one's choice. Likewise, Joe will continue to proceed as he judges appropriate; if others approve of any or all of his approaches, fine. If not, so be it. Over the years I have learned of a significant correlation between patience and "high blood pressure." Thus, I endeavor not to become too upset regarding that which I have no control over. Candidly yours, Evan From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Dec 28 13:56:46 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA08984; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 13:56:35 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 13:56:35 -0800 From: rvanspaa@vic.bigpond.net.au (Robin van Spaandonk) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Newman's Presentation Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 21:56:21 GMT Organization: Improving Message-ID: <3687fd9a.34113058@24.192.1.20> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"XYvys3.0.CC2.Iw_Xs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8242 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Mon, 28 Dec 1998 16:05:01 -0600, Evan Soule wrote: [snip] >Dear Richard, > >Thanks for your comments. Just to let you know --- I have no control or >"say so" over what/when/how/why Joseph Newman provides information to post. >You may or may not find a given post of particular value, others (who may >be more familiar with the nature of the technology) may find the post of >far greater value. If it makes one feel better, one is welcome to >"complain" to me and/or provide positive/negative feedback; however, >logistics being what they are, Joe will generally not be seeing that post. >Occasionally I print out emails and then fax them to Joe (who may or may >not read them in a 'timely' manner). However, my phone bill has been >rather 'healthy' lately, so I endeavor to minimize faxes. When Joe >provides me with additional information, I'll be happy to post it. As I >have previously indicated, one can like it, love it, ignore it, or leave >it. That is one's choice. Likewise, Joe will continue to proceed as he >judges appropriate; if others approve of any or all of his approaches, >fine. If not, so be it. Over the years I have learned of a significant >correlation between patience and "high blood pressure." Thus, I endeavor >not to become too upset regarding that which I have no control over. > >Candidly yours, > >Evan > Dear Evan, Reading between the lines, I get the impression that you long ago gave up on trying to get specific information out of Joe, other than that which he himself decided to publish. In short all attempts by members of this list to exhort you to such efforts are in vain. Is this a reasonable assessment of the situation? From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Dec 28 14:16:58 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA17364; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 14:16:55 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 14:16:55 -0800 X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQ2g1yBCpnZtPQsCRKWBOkIMveOhgIVALAHy47BuRUVK1A4sA6s81qgtZc/ From: dennisgarrett@webtv.net (Dennis Garrett) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 14:16:54 -0800 (PST) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Newman's Presentation Message-ID: <29834-36880356-2473@mailtod-172.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: rvanspaa@vic.bigpond.net.au (Robin van Spaandonk)'s message of Mon, 28 Dec 1998 21:56:21 GMT Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"ISRJq2.0.DF4.ND0Ys"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8243 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com why doesn't someone call joe? his number is certainly no secret by now. regards, Dennis From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Dec 28 15:10:49 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA03374; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 15:10:40 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 15:10:40 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 18:20:37 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: Re: Newman's Presentation Resent-Message-ID: <"7HK4a1.0.Yq.l_0Ys"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8244 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >On Mon, 28 Dec 1998 16:05:01 -0600, Evan Soule wrote: >[snip] >>Dear Richard, >> >>Thanks for your comments. Just to let you know --- I have no control or >>"say so" over what/when/how/why Joseph Newman provides information to post. >>You may or may not find a given post of particular value, others (who may >>be more familiar with the nature of the technology) may find the post of >>far greater value. If it makes one feel better, one is welcome to >>"complain" to me and/or provide positive/negative feedback; however, >>logistics being what they are, Joe will generally not be seeing that post. >>Occasionally I print out emails and then fax them to Joe (who may or may >>not read them in a 'timely' manner). However, my phone bill has been >>rather 'healthy' lately, so I endeavor to minimize faxes. When Joe >>provides me with additional information, I'll be happy to post it. As I >>have previously indicated, one can like it, love it, ignore it, or leave >>it. That is one's choice. Likewise, Joe will continue to proceed as he >>judges appropriate; if others approve of any or all of his approaches, >>fine. If not, so be it. Over the years I have learned of a significant >>correlation between patience and "high blood pressure." Thus, I endeavor >>not to become too upset regarding that which I have no control over. >> >>Candidly yours, >> >>Evan >> >Dear Evan, > >Reading between the lines, I get the impression that you long ago gave >up on trying to get specific information out of Joe, other than that >which he himself decided to publish. In short all attempts by members >of this list to exhort you to such efforts are in vain. > >Is this a reasonable assessment of the situation? Yep. Joe (sometimes referred to as a genius/inventor/innovator/madman/idiot savant [he's been called all of these by different people at different times]) is the second 'eccentric' individual with whom I have interfaced in my life. The first 'eccentric' individual was an astrophysicist and a most interesting human being with whom I was directly associated for 14 years. That individual recently passed away and the first book with respect to his fundamental work is in the process of being published by his Foundation. In order to maintain some semblance of sanity, I have chosen to assume a stoic approach with respect to the future implementation of ideas developed by 'eccentric' types. I do my best with respect to what I have control over; beyond that, it is a 'que sera, sera' day-to-day operation.... I am deeply convinced that Joe is "on to something" with his concept of the gyroscopic massergy (however it may ultimately be described); and I am impressed by the simplicity and clarity of his application of this concept in providing a fundamental mechanical explanation for such phenomena as Fleming's Rule and Magnetic Attraction/Repulsion. I, myself, happen to believe that this concept is an important piece in the cosmological jig-saw puzzle. How it will ultimately mesh with the rest of physics, I cannot say at this time. Just as I knew the 'other eccentric' individual very closely and personally, so do I know Joe. I know his foibles and his insights as well as his strengths and weaknesses. I suppose I could write a book about each individual.... I happen to believe that Time is the Great Equalizer and will generally smooth out the perturbations which occur in any given lifespan. History will be the ultimate arbiter and deal Joe whatever 'hand' he will have earned --- be it good or bad, right or wrong, attentive or indifferent. And for myself, I will basically defend Joe because --- over a period of 15 years --- I have come to have personal affection for him (as I did the other 'eccentric' individual). I would also be among the first to admit that attempting to 'interface' with an eccentric individual can be "challenging" at times. As I would hope it would be the case with others, I will do my best, be true to what I believe, and leave it to our historical descendants to be the judges. For myself, it's a tenuous balance between patience and frustration.... Evan From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Dec 28 16:22:48 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA07509; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 16:22:38 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 16:22:38 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19981228193014.00c8c840@cnct.com> X-Sender: knagel@cnct.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 19:30:17 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Keith Nagel Subject: Re: Newman's Capacitor Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"jDSId3.0.Er1.E32Ys"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8245 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 02:16 AM 12/28/98 -0600, you wrote: >Regarding your comment above: I believe it was reasonably obvious as to >the nature of the post by Mitchell Jones. And the information presented >was the perspective of Mr. Jones. If you find it "false" you are welcome >to discuss why you think it is false with Mr. Jones. Others have commented >that they have found Mr. Jones's post to be most interesting and >informative. To each his own.... :-) On the contrary. At 214pm Felix Meyer posted the following... > >The indicated layout, therefore, would seem to be as follows: > > > > > > *-------->---------*------------->-----------* > > | | | > > | | | > > - | | v > > 110 V 5000 V Newman's > > Battery Capacitor Motor > > + | | v > > | | | > > | | | > > *-------<----------*------------<------------* > > > >The above circuit is very simple: we have a 110 volt battery, a "very > >large" 5000 volt capacitor, and Newman's motor, all connected in parallel > >with one another. > > > >Posted by Evan Soule' >Hi Evan, >here all is connected in parallel, which apparently makes no sense. Now, he seems to have mistaken you as the source of the material, not Mitchell. He also left the critical header bit off, indicating who the real source is. Further, having made the post, I bet someone else will respond and further compound the confusion. Pretty soon, we'll all be enmeshed in a discussion of "Joe Newmans Energy Machine" based on someone elses idea of the thing. See what I mean? I realize you are not posting this information with intent to confuse; but it's actually happening. I'm going to switch to the "presentation" thread now; I feel we can make more headway there. K. >>>>>>>>>>>>1) the measured voltage across the cap's terminals at breakdown. >>>>>>>>>>>>2) the capacity in Farads. >>>>>>3) how the elements in the circuit are connected. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Dec 28 16:42:01 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA15276; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 16:41:58 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 16:41:58 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19981228194940.00c99d70@cnct.com> X-Sender: knagel@cnct.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 19:49:42 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Keith Nagel Subject: Re: Newman's Presentation Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"oThU31.0.Zk3.LL2Ys"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8246 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 06:20 PM 12/28/98 -0600, you wrote: >>Reading between the lines, I get the impression that you long ago gave >>up on trying to get specific information out of Joe, other than that >>which he himself decided to publish. In short all attempts by members >>of this list to exhort you to such efforts are in vain. >> >>Is this a reasonable assessment of the situation? > >Yep. Well, I think we have arrived. For it is a short hop from the fact that you, who have known Mr. Newman for 15 years and serve as his PR agent, cannot get specific information from Mr. Newman concerning his experiments, to the fact that I, whom he does not know from Adam, would have not a chance in Hades of getting that information. In fact, it should be clear that my calling him would serve no purpose at all, as he would not answer any of my questions, just as you have not. Now I can understand that you may wish to defer technical questions to him; but clearly (as you state) this is a dead end street. Anyway, I'll stop asking the questions now. You've provided a good answer, although I wish (and despite what you think of me I am sincere) the answers could have been directly related to the questions. I understand how difficult it can be to work with eccentric individuals; I have had similar experiences. It's a difficult row to hoe, and I wish you luck in this. K. > >Joe (sometimes referred to as a genius/inventor/innovator/madman/idiot >savant [he's been called all of these by different people at different >times]) is the second 'eccentric' individual with whom I have interfaced in >my life. The first 'eccentric' individual was an astrophysicist and a most >interesting human being with whom I was directly associated for 14 years. >That individual recently passed away and the first book with respect to his >fundamental work is in the process of being published by his Foundation. > >In order to maintain some semblance of sanity, I have chosen to assume a >stoic approach with respect to the future implementation of ideas developed >by 'eccentric' types. I do my best with respect to what I have control >over; beyond that, it is a 'que sera, sera' day-to-day operation.... > >I am deeply convinced that Joe is "on to something" with his concept of the >gyroscopic massergy (however it may ultimately be described); and I am >impressed by the simplicity and clarity of his application of this concept >in providing a fundamental mechanical explanation for such phenomena as >Fleming's Rule and Magnetic Attraction/Repulsion. I, myself, happen to >believe that this concept is an important piece in the cosmological jig-saw >puzzle. How it will ultimately mesh with the rest of physics, I cannot say >at this time. > >Just as I knew the 'other eccentric' individual very closely and >personally, so do I know Joe. I know his foibles and his insights as well >as his strengths and weaknesses. I suppose I could write a book about each >individual.... I happen to believe that Time is the Great Equalizer and >will generally smooth out the perturbations which occur in any given >lifespan. History will be the ultimate arbiter and deal Joe whatever >'hand' he will have earned --- be it good or bad, right or wrong, attentive >or indifferent. > >And for myself, I will basically defend Joe because --- over a period of 15 >years --- I have come to have personal affection for him (as I did the >other 'eccentric' individual). I would also be among the first to admit >that attempting to 'interface' with an eccentric individual can be >"challenging" at times. > >As I would hope it would be the case with others, I will do my best, be >true to what I believe, and leave it to our historical descendants to be >the judges. > >For myself, it's a tenuous balance between patience and frustration.... > >Evan > > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Dec 28 16:44:10 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA17009; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 16:44:07 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 16:44:07 -0800 Message-ID: <36884CBD.1542@tiac.net> Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 19:30:06 -0800 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Back off on the bickering Bill!!! References: <199812270433.OAA05308@pegasus.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"SAZ013.0.f94.NN2Ys"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8247 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com nexus@peg.apc.org wrote: > Why don't you just reply to Evan and others on a one-to-one basis, > instead of making all of us read your grudges! > > regards > > Duncan Excuse me, but what list server is this? Is this not the same list server that held a firm grip on reality during the last Newman flap? So what has changed? Mr. Newman and Mr. Soule are doing their business as usual, incomplete and inconclusive data, technically weak 'demonstrations' claimed as 'proof' by some, but disputed by others. So here comes another Newman flap to freenrg-l. Mr. Roads, please understand the history of Mr. Newman's claims on freenrg-l. The last flap ended only after the Newman camp either refused, or was unable to keep their discussions within the clear bounds of this list server. At that time, the subject was dropped by consensus. Maybe this all appears to be bickering to you Mr. Roads, but I disagree. When Mr. Soule posts to this list, then its perfectly resonable to ask him to provide complete, practical data. Mr. Soule's response, as always, is to tell people to direct their questions directly to Mr. Newman. This is not quite in the 'spirit' of this forum. We have been here before, its all in the archives. If Mr. Soule can post his claims without any direct experimental data (simply directing inquires to Mr. Newman is very poor form), then why should members of this forum be asked to take the discussion off line when they ask very basic questions about any incomplete claims? If Mr. Soule cannot, or will not support the claims, nor even bother to ask Mr. Newman what the meaningful specifications of the capacitor are, or the circuit configuration is, then apparently the Newman camp is as unwilling as ever to meet the clear standards set out in the list rules. This is also rather impolite of Mr. Soule, given his knowledge of Mr. Newman's reaction to critical inquiries is. So Mr. Roads, how can you fairly ask that Bill restrict his comments to private email? Mr. Newman has no email access, Mr. Soule does, but apparently only to promote Mr. Newman's activities and not to abide by the list rules. So far the Newman debacle has taken more bandwidth on this list than any other device or claim. I resent having to download reams of crap only to find that still nothing has changed. Mr. Newman has not, and will not address any substancial point where he is either disputed, or is clearly in error. Zero objectivity, zero scientific credibility? So when a Newman flap starts here, expect people who spent months discussing the claims and tests, experimenting, and arguing the issue to death to react a bit strongly. And rightfully so, given the history here. For all our time and effort, the Newman camp for decades has steadfastly refused to address critical issues in a scientific, or even technically competent manner. We hear words to the effect that 'its not a scope artifact', but the documentation and testing that support the scope artifact counter-claim remains unaddressed. There hs still been no technical response on the apparent errors in Mr. Newman's interpratations of the 'two coil' experiment either. On freenrg-l, we are not expected to have to call someone long distance to resolve these matters. Nor should we be subjected to repeated flaps on this list if the only response is to give out a phone number. How many emails would it take to ask JLN or Stefan Hartman what voltage and value was used for a given capacitor? (never mind the fact that you would not have to ask!) Try to ask this of Mr. Soule, and you will get his stndard, rubber stamped response and direct you to Mr. Newman's current phone line. I dare suggest, that if Mr. Newman and Mr. Soule would dare to play by our rules, and we would fairly resolve these matters once and for all. (I can dream, can't I?) It may be someone else's rock garden, but when the windows of my (o/u!) greehouse start get broken, its time for karma to run over the dogma. Only then will it become Zen. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Dec 28 17:15:14 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA19963; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 17:14:26 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 17:14:26 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <36885299.53BA@tiac.net> Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 19:55:05 -0800 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman: 12/25/98 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ONapI2.0.ot4.mp2Ys"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8248 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Evan Soule wrote: > As it turned out, Randi made NO mention that he was an ex-magician and NOT > an electrical engineer. He portrayed himself as an "electrical engineer" > yet it was soon very clear to Joe that he was not what he was billed to be. Isn't it also true that Mr. Newman has at times, also failed to mention past circumstances? > He was unfamiliar with meter and oscilloscope readings and had no > comprehension of electrical circuitry. Joe began to wonder why he was > visiting him. It later became apparent that the only reason Randi visited > him was to try to "debunk" Joe's work --- rather than make an > intellectually-honest effort to understand it. Randi was not sent as a > "scientist" but as a pseudo-sceptic. Randi failed to "debunk" Joseph > Newman and, humorously, Randi's only "technical" comment was that the > prototype consisted of "hopelessly tangled loops of copper wire." Ok, this sound interesting. Randi visits with Mr. Newman. To Joe 'it later became apparent' that Randi was sent to debunk Mr. Newman's work. Randi failed to debunk the work (are we supposed to beleive that this in any way supports Mr. Newman's claims, after all, Randi did not properly understand the instrumentation according to Mr. Soule). Randi's only 'technical comment' was that the prototype consisted of "hopelessly tangled loops of copper wire." Is that what failed to debunk Mr. Newman's work? > Your statement above, regarding "no replicable results" is totally > incorrect. There are detailed test reports, for instance, in Joseph > Newman's book, which one is welcome to repeat for themselves. Misdirection Mr. Soule. As you know, I tried to duplicate one of Mr. Newman's claims. It was not replicable. We have discussed this before, in some detail. Mr. Newman may think himself above the ignorant masses brainwashed with the thinking that made the internet exist, and refuse to dirty himself with cases where his claims are in question. But this list server produces an archive. It is a matter of record. "No replicable results" is techically overstated, and may indeed be logically false. But this does not mean that Mr. Newman has proven his case here either. How can he, if he does not participate here? Mr. Soule does, but he cannot or will not address the technical details as described in our list rules? > Too bad. No doubt Joe will have to somehow survive without a telephone > call from yourself. Too bad for Mr. Newman, he does enjoy his callers attention. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Dec 28 17:16:19 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA02291; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 17:16:17 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 17:16:17 -0800 Message-Id: <199812290116.CAA12721@poindexter.wirehub.nl> From: "DONDERVOGEL" To: Subject: Digest..!!?.. Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 19:28:16 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"r6nDD1.0.iZ.Wr2Ys"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8249 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mine inbox is getting overloaded..!!.. How can I subscribe the digest version..??.. Thank you, Aris From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Dec 28 17:21:45 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA05051; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 17:21:44 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 17:21:44 -0800 Message-ID: <36885590.63D6@tiac.net> Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 20:07:44 -0800 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Growl! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"8546N.0.qE1.dw2Ys"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8250 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Evan Soule wrote: > Dear Bill, > > If you wish to reply directly to Joseph Newman, you can contact him at: > (602) 657-3722 [9am or 9pm are usually good times]. No doubt olde Joe > would love to engage in a little "heart-to-heart" chit chat. And if you do > not wish to so contact him, that's fine with me. :-) > > Hope you had a really Happy Newton Day! > > Evan Soule' Evan, If your going to promote Mr. Newman's work here, please do so with respect to our list. Techical discussion, with an experimental basis is fine. Telling people time and time again to call Mr. Newman for basic answers is quite impolite and disrespectful. If you cannot be bothered to simply ask a few basic questions about the material you post here, then you really do become a burden here. The signal to noise ratio of Newman flaps is so very low, we had to close this subject here before. Please simply back up your posts with the requested details, or don't use this list to promote Mr. Newman's work. To do anything less than this is simply unfair. This list is unique partly becuase of its strong emphisis on experimental objectivity in the alternative arena. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Dec 28 17:56:48 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA20769; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 17:56:38 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 17:56:38 -0800 Message-ID: <36885DB7.512C@tiac.net> Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 20:42:31 -0800 From: Bob Shannon Organization: Fair at best X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Newman's Capacitor References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"so-Cx.0.H45.MR3Ys"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8251 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Evan Soule wrote: > > Speaking of capacitance, this was a portion of an ongoing discussion about > this subject, as posted by Mitchell Jones --- (ERS): > > >Mitchell Jones wrote: > The use of such a voltage limiter should permit Newman to disconnect the > battery from his motor as soon as the capacitor is fully charged. If he is > right about his technology, then the motor should self-sustain under those > circumstances, and he would have the "smoking gun" proof of "over unity" > that he desires. At that point, all opposition to his technology should > collapse: the patent office would come to him on bended knee and beg him to > accept a patent, and the money should flow like a river, from Wall Street > straight into his pocket! Mr. Newman has clearly stated that his motor will not self-run from capacitors. The testing in Europe also clearly shows this to be true. The motor stops. The RPM drop is nearly linear. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Dec 28 18:26:42 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA04345; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 18:26:40 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 18:26:40 -0800 Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 21:18:35 -0500 (EST) From: John Schnurer To: free E Subject: Newman machine... DATA.. PLEASE.. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"se3bq.0.k31.Wt3Ys"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8252 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Dear Fre., Can we please dispense with the he said she said... and just come up with some FIGURES!!!! Thanks.... JHS From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Dec 28 20:34:16 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA20701; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 20:34:11 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 20:34:11 -0800 Message-Id: <199812290438.OAA27387@pegasus.com.au> Subject: Re: Back off on the bickering Bill!!! Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 14:37:36 +0900 x-sender: nexus@mail.peg.apc.org x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v3, January 22, 1998 From: To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"YtuDO3.0.M35.3l5Ys"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8253 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >So Mr. Roads, how can you fairly ask that Bill restrict his comments to >private email? Constructive criticism is one thing, but endless personal diatribes needn't be aired for all to see. regards Duncan Duncan M. Roads Editor, Nexus Magazine PO Box 30, Mapleton Qld 4560 Australia Tel: +61 (0)7 5442 9280; Fax: +61 (0)7 5442 9381 http://www.peg.apc.org/~nexus/ "The nature of the universe is such that ends can never justify the means. On the contrary, the means always determine the end." (Aldous Huxley) From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Mon Dec 28 21:08:28 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA32548; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 21:08:25 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 21:08:25 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 00:07:30 -0500 Subject: Re: Back off on the bickering Bill!!! Message-ID: <19981229.000731.-285927.0.whitedogg1@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 2.0.11 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,6-10 X-Juno-Att: 0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: whitedogg1@juno.com (Scott L Edwards) Resent-Message-ID: <"vSDik.0.Oy7.9F6Ys"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8254 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com OK OK OK!!! You guys are wasting so much hot air debating over the Newman Capacitor that you could have powered a stirling engine generator and run all the lights in New York City for two years! Why dont you just BUILD it and find out? I think it is an interesting design, and would like to see it tried out. In the meantime, lets act like mature scientists here, huh? Sincerely yours, Scott ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Dec 29 07:44:30 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id HAA14629; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 07:44:18 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 07:44:18 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19981229224227.0069df70@usa.net> X-Sender: rsn9@usa.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 22:42:27 +0700 To: freenrg-L@eskimo.com From: rangsan Subject: opinions,please Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"AznIr3.0.Ua3.IZFYs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8255 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Dear Sirs/Madams, I've got an anomalous theory in which you could find it interesting. Please visit; http://freeweb.digiweb.com/science/rsn9/free-energy.pps and tell me if I'm a genius or an idiot inventing it up. Thanks, From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Dec 29 08:10:19 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id IAA23589; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 08:10:17 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 08:10:17 -0800 Message-ID: <19981229161058.16927.rocketmail@send102.yahoomail.com> Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 08:10:58 -0800 (PST) From: Anton Rager Subject: The Newman Solution To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"JrbuI3.0.Tm5.exFYs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8256 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hello All, I'm really getting tired of seeing the same crap over and over. There is a very simple solution to the questions that Evan is unable to answer.....Call Joe Newman! I don't have a working model to play with, but those who do [or have a need for detailed testing/design info] sure as hell better call/write/fax/telepath/whatever and stop this endless barrage of repetition. Are folks just getting frustrated with the holidays and trolling for an argument? It's been obvious [to my tiny brain at least] from the start that Evan is only a PR agent for Joe Newman -- Imagine getting detailed info about a research project from Microsoft's marketing department [just ask Dilbert!]......... Evan is just forwarding the equivalent of press releases to the group. If the list wants info on Joe Newman's machine, then someone needs to talk to the engineering department instead of the marketing department! Call Joe. Ok -- I'll go out on a limb here [I know I'm going to regret this....but it's the holidays and all]..... I don't have intimate details of what everyone wants to know from Joe Newman, but I do know how to use a phone -- and will foot the bill for a little long-distance [or local if Joe's in Castle Rock] call to Joe. Let's come up with a consensus of what the list wants to know....and I'll try to be the conduit. In the meantime -- Let's try not to abuse Evan every time he posts an update for Joe. He's just the messenger, and if we chase him off we will never know what Joe's up to. Until Joe gets online, I'm thinking that questions about his press releases need to be directed to him....via whatever method is available. Happy Holidays -- And may 1999 bring a working device. == Anton Rager a_rager@yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Dec 29 09:16:52 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA23898; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 09:16:44 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 09:16:44 -0800 From: RHammar860@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 12:16:10 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: opinions,please Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 61 Resent-Message-ID: <"QMtLq3.0.Hr5.yvGYs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8257 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com In a message dated 98-12-29 10:47:26 EST, you write: << http://freeweb.digiweb.com/science/rsn9/free-energy.pps and tell me if I'm a genius or an idiot inventing it up. Thanks, >> What kind of a file is it for I can not open it up with my word program or with my server. Ron From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Dec 29 09:19:49 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA02234; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 09:19:24 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 09:19:24 -0800 (PST) From: RHammar860@aol.com Message-ID: <67d6652b.36890da7@aol.com> Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 12:13:11 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: opinions,please Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 61 Resent-Message-ID: <"PPWxN1.0.nY.QyGYs"@mx2> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8258 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com In a message dated 98-12-29 10:47:26 EST, you write: << ear Sirs/Madams, I've got an anomalous theory in which you could find it interesting. Please visit; http://freeweb.digiweb.com/science/rsn9/free-energy.pps and tell me if I'm a genius or an idiot inventing it up. >> Hi I have tryed to down load it but it will not come up on my server to read Ron From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Dec 29 09:28:02 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA00816; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 09:28:00 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 09:28:00 -0800 Message-ID: <19981229172823.12572.rocketmail@send106.yahoomail.com> Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 09:28:23 -0800 (PST) From: Anton Rager Subject: Stirring and Water Seperation To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"uziEk.0.fC.V4HYs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8259 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Interesting tidbit gleaned from Keelynet....Probably more Vortexian in nature, but thought I would mention it here. Chemical Online posted an article about water to H2/O2 seperation with mechanical energy [stirring], room temperature, and a Cuprous Oxide catalyst. http://news.chemicalonline.com/wires/19981114-343326314.html Looks like that link is down now [read it last week sometime, but can't find the article now.], but New Scientist also has an article about the same discovery - see: http://www.newscientist.com/ns/981114/nsplit.html Efficiency seems to be around %5 with the initial report of the effect [from chemical online article]-- but who knows! Might be another way to H2 powered cars.... Just add water and stir ;) == Anton Rager a_rager@yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Dec 29 10:15:20 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA19323; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 10:15:16 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 10:15:16 -0800 Message-Id: <199812291920.QAA15184@bigbox.plug-in.com.br> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Marcelo Puhl" Organization: Huh? To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 16:14:13 -2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Stirring and Water Seperation Reply-to: mark@plug-in.com.br Priority: normal In-reply-to: <19981229172823.12572.rocketmail@send106.yahoomail.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Resent-Message-ID: <"P9UuX2.0.pj4.pmHYs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8260 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com > > Just add water and stir ;) > > == > Anton Rager > a_rager@yahoo.com > Ultrasonic vibration isn't a form of stirring ? --- Marcelo Puhl mark@plug-in.com.br From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Dec 29 11:06:44 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA11210; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 11:06:23 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 11:06:23 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 13:56:14 -0500 Subject: Re: opinions,please Message-ID: <19981229.140455.-496591.1.whitedogg1@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 2.0.11 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-5 X-Juno-Att: 0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: whitedogg1@juno.com (Scott L Edwards) Resent-Message-ID: <"Ctgt-.0.3l2.kWIYs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8261 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com ragason, i am on the newsgroup, but dont have web access. can you post a brief summary, so i can read it please? I will tell you my opinion. Sincerely yours, Scott ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Dec 29 11:06:44 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA11247; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 11:06:28 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 11:06:28 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 14:04:54 -0500 Subject: one moving part steam powered generator Message-ID: <19981229.140455.-496591.2.whitedogg1@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 2.0.11 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2,20-24 X-Juno-Att: 0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: whitedogg1@juno.com (Scott L Edwards) Resent-Message-ID: <"T0svD2.0.Zl2.pWIYs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8262 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Here is my idea, which i promised you guys i would post. It is only on paaper, but i know it will work... the question is HOW much current can it produce. Imagine a large tank filled with water in the morning. It would have greatest efficiency if it were rou,d to permit upward steam flow. Now there is a pipe leading from the top of the tank, which is capped at the top with a hinged, weighted lid, similar to those on top of the stack of a diesel truck. Concentrating mirrors and/or frensel lenses are used to focus the sun onto the boiler tank, which is painted flat black to absorb heat. The water boils, and pops the lid up and down in an oscillation pattern, as the steam seeks release from the boiler. The lid, in the meantime, is slamming against a pile of piezo transducers, which emit mid to high voltage pulsations of dc current, which in turn, charges a battery bank, because batteries like to recieve pulsed dc... this runs your appliances, inverter, etc. You could see how many piezo transducers could be stacked, and produce the most current from this device. you could make the boiler/pipe/lid unit small or BIG. You might even , instead of using transducers, such as those in the black plastic housings at radio shack, use one BIG chunk of quartz crystal, with an electrode on either side of it. Hows this? I will experiment on it when i move to my cabin in the ozarks, and record my findings. Sincerely yours, Scott ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Dec 29 11:55:16 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA30832; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 11:55:07 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 11:55:07 -0800 From: MATTIARO@aol.com Message-ID: <67d6ff86.3689334b@aol.com> Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 14:53:47 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Newman's Capacitor Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 236 Resent-Message-ID: <"utFnF1.0.eX7.REJYs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8263 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hello All. First I hope that everybody's christmas was a great one. Now, I have watched the circuit develope and the pros and cons of placement of battries and the condensor. There is one thing that would seem to make sense that I don't see. Why don't we place chokes to the battry wires to completely isolate the batteries from any AC, or pulses. And IF this is the power that makes the device over unity device, the blocked power would still be available as increased power in the motor and / or charging the capacitor. Matti From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Dec 29 12:44:48 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA28940; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 12:44:26 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 12:44:26 -0800 Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 15:36:21 -0500 (EST) From: John Schnurer To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: New Scientist date...Re: Stirring and Water Seperation In-Reply-To: <19981229172823.12572.rocketmail@send106.yahoomail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"smzCX1.0.047.fyJYs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8264 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Dear AR., Can you send me the issue, page, volume and date for the New Sci article... I do not have www access....but can see the 'paper' at the library. JHS THANKS!!! . On Tue, 29 Dec 1998, Anton Rager wrote: > Interesting tidbit gleaned from Keelynet....Probably more Vortexian in > nature, but thought I would mention it here. > > > Chemical Online posted an article about water to H2/O2 seperation with > mechanical energy [stirring], room temperature, and a Cuprous Oxide > catalyst. > > http://news.chemicalonline.com/wires/19981114-343326314.html > > Looks like that link is down now [read it last week sometime, but > can't find the article now.], but New Scientist also has an article > about the same discovery - see: > http://www.newscientist.com/ns/981114/nsplit.html > > Efficiency seems to be around %5 with the initial report of the effect > [from chemical online article]-- but who knows! Might be another way > to H2 powered cars.... > > > > Just add water and stir ;) > > == > Anton Rager > a_rager@yahoo.com > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Dec 29 13:07:25 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA06427; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 13:07:21 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 13:07:21 -0800 Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 15:59:16 -0500 (EST) From: John Schnurer To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: NOTES...Re: one moving part steam powered generator In-Reply-To: <19981229.140455.-496591.2.whitedogg1@juno.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"JALCJ1.0.Ka1.9IKYs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8265 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Dear Scott and Fre., Some comments. ... the steam would be better utilized driving a steam engine.... which then drives generator. Piezos are VERY poor convertors.... and quatrz is a poor piezo. With 15 foot dish collector in full bright sun you might expect, with losses, to generate 5 kw power. On Tue, 29 Dec 1998, Scott L Edwards wrote: > Here is my idea, which i promised you guys i would post. It is only on > paaper, but i know it will work... the question is HOW much current can > it produce. > Imagine a large tank filled with water in the morning. It would have > greatest efficiency if it were rou,d to permit upward steam flow. Now > there is a pipe leading from the top of the tank, which is capped at the > top with a hinged, weighted lid, similar to those on top of the stack of > a diesel truck. Concentrating mirrors and/or frensel lenses are used to > focus the sun onto the boiler tank, which is painted flat black to absorb > heat. Mirrors better than ransmission lenses. The water boils, and pops the lid up and down in an oscillation > pattern, as the steam seeks release from the boiler Unless you have a hysteresis of some kind pressure willl build and then just leak out. . The lid, in the > meantime, is slamming against a pile of piezo transducers, which emit mid > to high voltage pulsations of dc current, which in turn, charges a > battery bank, because batteries like to recieve pulsed dc... this runs > your appliances, inverter, etc. n generl piezos are poor conversion method... and, on impact, give of pulses of both polarities ... then you have the problem-issue of low current high impedance high voltage source trying to drive low impedance low voltage storage. You could see how many piezo transducers > could be stacked, and produce the most current from this device. you > could make the boiler/pipe/lid unit small or BIG. You might even , > instead of using transducers, such as those in the black plastic housings > at radio shack, If you were to connect in parallel 2,000 of the RS transducers [yielding about 10 uAmp each..... for about 2 hundredths of an amp at ~ 20 volts........, stripped from housing as an element .. and ..... connect 20 such arrays in series ... for a PEAK of ~ 400 volts.... and ... your were to EFFECTIVELY couple mechanically to ALL of them [40,000 items] ...then the output connected to a four foot flourescent tube.... the tube would blink, once per impact... at about 8 watts input..... with roughly 35 to 45% electrical power to optical power conversion efficiency....at about 20% the brilliance of the tube powered from the line AC. If you were to buy the piezos at 10 cents OEM prices... then the cost would be about 4,000 dollars. use one BIG chunk of quartz crystal, with an electrode on > either side of it. Hows this? I will experiment on it when i move to my > cabin in the ozarks, and record my findings. > > Sincerely yours, > > Scott > SCOTT: I feel your ideas are GRAND.... !!!! Keep up the good work... BUT: Read.... from books and do NOT depend on the net.... learn the basics... and then you will be closer to success when you decide to build something. GENERAL: I feel many posters to fre do NOT take the time to read the basics...and I am NOT faulting Scott.... or them.... BUT: It is critical to do so.... In my opinion.... JHS > ___________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html > or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Dec 29 13:16:59 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA10787; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 13:16:55 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 13:16:55 -0800 Message-ID: <19981229211715.17519.rocketmail@send106.yahoomail.com> Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 13:17:15 -0800 (PST) From: Anton Rager Subject: Re: New Scientist date...Re: Stirring and Water Seperation To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="0-491705403-914966235=:23705" Resent-Message-ID: <"eiWoL3.0.Se2.6RKYs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8266 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com --0-491705403-914966235=:23705 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Hello John/All, As far as I can tell from the online version, the article is from the following issue: 14 November 1998 Vol. 160 No. 2160 - unsure of page number, but it's in the "News" section. Hope that helps. I have attached the text of the original article for you - hope it comes thru ok. Not really any significant pictures, so the text should suffi ce. My apologies for the post -- I looked thru the archives [freenrg-l and vortex] and saw mention of this back in Nov or so.....Not new news. ---John Schnurer wrote: > > > > Dear AR., > > Can you send me the issue, page, volume and date for the New Sci > article... > > I do not have www access....but can see the 'paper' at the library. > > JHS > > THANKS!!! > > . > On Tue, 29 Dec 1998, Anton Rager wrote: > > > Interesting tidbit gleaned from Keelynet....Probably more Vortexian in > > nature, but thought I would mention it here. > > > > > > Chemical Online posted an article about water to H2/O2 seperation with > > mechanical energy [stirring], room temperature, and a Cuprous Oxide > > catalyst. > > > > http://news.chemicalonline.com/wires/19981114-343326314.html > > > > Looks like that link is down now [read it last week sometime, but > > can't find the article now.], but New Scientist also has an article > > about the same discovery - see: > > http://www.newscientist.com/ns/981114/nsplit.html > > > > Efficiency seems to be around %5 with the initial report of the effect > > [from chemical online article]-- but who knows! Might be another way > > to H2 powered cars.... > > > > > > > > Just add water and stir ;) > > > > == > > Anton Rager > > a_rager@yahoo.com > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > DO YOU YAHOO!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > == Anton Rager a_rager@yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com --0-491705403-914966235=:23705 Content-Type: text/plain; name="stirred.txt" Content-Description: stirred.txt Content-Disposition: inline; filename="stirred.txt" ÐÏࡱá --0-491705403-914966235=:23705-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Dec 29 13:24:23 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA13797; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 13:24:20 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 13:24:20 -0800 Message-ID: <19981229212501.8829.rocketmail@send102.yahoomail.com> Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 13:25:01 -0800 (PST) From: Anton Rager Subject: Re: New Scientist date...Wrong file format! To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="0-1889947178-914966701=:20184" Resent-Message-ID: <"D52JY3.0.UN3.4YKYs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8267 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com --0-1889947178-914966701=:20184 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Whoops! The attached file was in wordpad format -- this one should be a raw .txt file. == Anton Rager a_rager@yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com --0-1889947178-914966701=:20184 Content-Type: text/plain; name="stirred.txt" Content-Description: stirred.txt Content-Disposition: inline; filename="stirred.txt" Stirred and shaken Lila Guterman the words "mysterious" and "bizarre" don't often come up in conversations among chemists. But that's how they are describing a way to split water into hydrogen and oxygen at room temperature using a simple catalyst. Japanese researchers now say that the energy needed to break the bonds that hold water molecules together seems to come from stirring the liquid. When Kazunari Domen and his colleagues at Tokyo Institute of Technology first reported that a powdered cuprous oxide catalyst could split water at room temperature, chemists sat up and took notice (This Week, 28 February, p 10). This reaction usually takes place at 3000 °C and is driven by light. If its efficiency could be improved, hydrogen would become much more attractive as a cheap, clean fuel. Domen initially thought that the energy driving the low-temperature reaction came from light--a mechanism chemists could just about live with. But now he reports that the reaction continues in the dark for hundreds of hours. The quicker the container is stirred, says Domen, the more hydrogen and oxygen are produced (Chemical Communications, p 2185). Domen believes that the mechanical energy is converted to chemical energy without first being converted to thermal energy. "This is the first example of mechanical energy being converted into chemical energy by catalysis," he says. But Domen cannot explain how this works. To most chemists, the idea is heresy. And the prospect of producing a source of fuel by a mechanism no one understands evokes memories of the "cold fusion" saga of 1989. But Domen's results were carefully reviewed before they were published. He has also avoided making any bold claims about practical applications. "A lot of colleagues were incredulous but I think Domen is a very serious scientist," says Michael Grätzel of the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology in Lausanne. Grätzel suspects that something more mundane is occurring, however, such as friction between the catalyst and the glass container causing a build-up of electrical charge. The resulting tiny sparks could break down small amounts of water. "There's an easy way to rule that out," he says. Dissolving a salt in the water would change its conductivity and the amount of gases produced. Arthur Nozik, a chemist at the National Renewable Energy Laboratory in Golden, Colorado, doubts if the effect is really caused by catalysis. "I wouldn't be surprised if they are actually using up some of the metal oxide," he says. Nozik suspects that the cuprous oxide might react with water, liberating hydrogen. The oxygen could come from small quantities of the gas dissolved in the water. Domen says that less than 5 per cent of the energy from stirring appears to end up splitting water, producing a small amount of hydrogen and oxygen gas. But he thinks he can improve the yield by learning more about how the reaction works. "If we can increase the efficiency by an order of magnitude, then it may be possible to think about practical applications," he says. "It sounds odd, but maybe it only sounds odd because it's new," says Sean McGrady of King's College London. He likens the situation to the discovery in the 1980s that sound can drive chemical reactions, which has led to the burgeoning field of sonochemistry. "When these things show up they always challenge people's conceptions of how energy can get into a chemical reaction," says McGrady. "These reports take time to confirm or shoot down." From New Scientist, 14 November 1998 --0-1889947178-914966701=:20184-- From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Dec 29 13:26:47 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA14843; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 13:26:43 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 13:26:43 -0800 Message-ID: <368949A5.102DDD50@ghiocel.com> Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 13:29:09 -0800 From: Dan Ghiocel Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en]C-AtHome0404 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: opinions,please References: <3.0.3.32.19981229224227.0069df70@usa.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"wxnSn2.0.kd3.IaKYs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8268 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com rangsan wrote: > > Dear Sirs/Madams, > I've got an anomalous theory in which you could find it interesting. > Please visit; > > http://freeweb.digiweb.com/science/rsn9/free-energy.pps > > and tell me if I'm a genius or an idiot inventing it up. > > Thanks, I downloaded the file. I tried to open your file, but I could not open it using the plugins. Can you please specify what program you used to generate the file? Or, can you try a different format? Dan From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Dec 29 13:48:31 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id NAA24401; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 13:48:22 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 13:48:22 -0800 Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 16:40:17 -0500 (EST) From: John Schnurer To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: ASCII...Re: opinions,please In-Reply-To: <368949A5.102DDD50@ghiocel.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"9ZXqc1.0.Az5.buKYs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8269 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Dear Rangsan, Please send the information to us a straight ASCII... then we can all read it. Not all of even have www access. JHS On Tue, 29 Dec 1998, Dan Ghiocel wrote: > rangsan wrote: > > > > Dear Sirs/Madams, > > I've got an anomalous theory in which you could find it interesting. > > Please visit; > > > > http://freeweb.digiweb.com/science/rsn9/free-energy.pps > > > > and tell me if I'm a genius or an idiot inventing it up. > > > > Thanks, > > I downloaded the file. > I tried to open your file, but I could not open it using the plugins. > Can you please specify what program you used to generate the file? > Or, can you try a different format? > > Dan > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Dec 29 15:48:45 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA09610; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 15:48:36 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 15:48:36 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 18:58:35 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: Re: Newman's Capacitor Resent-Message-ID: <"7afoc.0.1M2.JfMYs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8270 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >At 02:16 AM 12/28/98 -0600, you wrote: >>Regarding your comment above: I believe it was reasonably obvious as to >>the nature of the post by Mitchell Jones. And the information presented >>was the perspective of Mr. Jones. If you find it "false" you are welcome >>to discuss why you think it is false with Mr. Jones. Others have commented >>that they have found Mr. Jones's post to be most interesting and >>informative. To each his own.... :-) > >On the contrary. At 214pm Felix Meyer posted the following... > >> >The indicated layout, therefore, would seem to be as follows: >> > >> > >> > *-------->---------*------------->-----------* >> > | | | >> > | | | >> > - | | v >> > 110 V 5000 V Newman's >> > Battery Capacitor Motor >> > + | | v >> > | | | >> > | | | >> > *-------<----------*------------<------------* >> > >> >The above circuit is very simple: we have a 110 volt battery, a "very >> >large" 5000 volt capacitor, and Newman's motor, all connected in parallel >> >with one another. >> > >> >Posted by Evan Soule' >>Hi Evan, >>here all is connected in parallel, which apparently makes no sense. > >Now, he seems to have mistaken you as the source of the material, >not Mitchell. He also left the critical header bit off, indicating >who the real source is. Further, having made the post, I bet someone else >will respond and further compound the confusion. Pretty soon, >we'll all be enmeshed in a discussion of "Joe Newmans Energy >Machine" based on someone elses idea of the thing. See what >I mean? I realize you are not posting this information with >intent to confuse; but it's actually happening. > >I'm going to switch to the "presentation" thread now; I feel >we can make more headway there. > >K. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>1) the measured voltage across the cap's terminals at breakdown. >>>>>>>>>>>>>2) the capacity in Farads. >>>>>>>3) how the elements in the circuit are connected. Dear Keith, If someone else has unintentionally 'confused' the issue then a post can be made correcting said confusion. The above circuit was proposed by Mitchell Jones. Since Joseph Newman has not seen the above post, you are welcome, Keith, to present it to him and request his feedback. I assume by now you have his telephone number, but with repetition in mind, its (602) 657-3722. Best regards, Evan Soule' From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Dec 29 15:48:46 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA09652; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 15:48:42 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 15:48:42 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 18:58:38 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: Re: Newman's Presentation Resent-Message-ID: <"j-_vo.0.jM2.QfMYs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8271 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >At 06:20 PM 12/28/98 -0600, you wrote: >>>Reading between the lines, I get the impression that you long ago gave >>>up on trying to get specific information out of Joe, other than that >>>which he himself decided to publish. In short all attempts by members >>>of this list to exhort you to such efforts are in vain. >>> >>>Is this a reasonable assessment of the situation? >> >>Yep. > >Well, I think we have arrived. > >For it is a short hop from the fact that you, who have known >Mr. Newman for 15 years and serve as his PR agent, cannot >get specific information from Mr. Newman concerning his experiments, >to the fact that I, whom he does not know from Adam, would >have not a chance in Hades of getting that information. > >In fact, it should be clear that my calling him would >serve no purpose at all, as he would not answer any of >my questions, just as you have not. > >Now I can understand that you may wish to defer technical >questions to him; but clearly (as you state) this is >a dead end street. > >Anyway, I'll stop asking the questions now. You've provided >a good answer, although I wish (and despite what you think >of me I am sincere) the answers could have been directly >related to the questions. > >I understand how difficult it can be to work with eccentric >individuals; I have had similar experiences. It's a difficult >row to hoe, and I wish you luck in this. > >K. Dear Keith, To correct any confusion which your above post could engender in others: the terminology "PR agent" usually implies a commerical relationship between a buyer of a product/service and a seller of the service. My assistance to Joseph Newman has been voluntary. I have assisted his efforts in a number of ways over the years in addition to what is commonly considered "PR". Your statement: >In fact, it should be clear that my calling him would >serve no purpose at all, as he would not answer any of >my questions, just as you have not. Might have validity if you were attempting to interfact with someone who was _not_ eccentric. As such, the results _would_ be predictable. However, when dealing with someone who _is_ eccentric, results may be opposite to what one may expect. Example: there have been total strangers who have contacted Joe via telephone and obtained more information in 5 minutes that I might have obtain in 5 days or even 5 weeks. Factors involved in explaining this volitional anomaly: over the years Joe has receive SO many faxes from me (passing on requests for information) that I would postulate he has operationally reached a point of "over-saturation" in this regard. Sometimes a new "face" on the telephone (and if Joe happens to be in a communicative frame of mind at the time) had yielded useful information regarding the technology. Then there have been those who have called Joe (as the saying goes) "with an attitude" which they directly or indirectly communicated to Joe. This usually produces predictable results which can be negative in nature and causes Joe to vigorously express his disagreement with their position. . But there have been individuals who respect Joe as a human being and treat him as they themselves would want to be treated if they had invested their life in working on something in which they believe. Regards, Evan Soule' > >> >>Joe (sometimes referred to as a genius/inventor/innovator/madman/idiot >>savant [he's been called all of these by different people at different >>times]) is the second 'eccentric' individual with whom I have interfaced in >>my life. The first 'eccentric' individual was an astrophysicist and a most >>interesting human being with whom I was directly associated for 14 years. >>That individual recently passed away and the first book with respect to his >>fundamental work is in the process of being published by his Foundation. >> >>In order to maintain some semblance of sanity, I have chosen to assume a >>stoic approach with respect to the future implementation of ideas developed >>by 'eccentric' types. I do my best with respect to what I have control >>over; beyond that, it is a 'que sera, sera' day-to-day operation.... >> >>I am deeply convinced that Joe is "on to something" with his concept of the >>gyroscopic massergy (however it may ultimately be described); and I am >>impressed by the simplicity and clarity of his application of this concept >>in providing a fundamental mechanical explanation for such phenomena as >>Fleming's Rule and Magnetic Attraction/Repulsion. I, myself, happen to >>believe that this concept is an important piece in the cosmological jig-saw >>puzzle. How it will ultimately mesh with the rest of physics, I cannot say >>at this time. >> >>Just as I knew the 'other eccentric' individual very closely and >>personally, so do I know Joe. I know his foibles and his insights as well >>as his strengths and weaknesses. I suppose I could write a book about each >>individual.... I happen to believe that Time is the Great Equalizer and >>will generally smooth out the perturbations which occur in any given >>lifespan. History will be the ultimate arbiter and deal Joe whatever >>'hand' he will have earned --- be it good or bad, right or wrong, attentive >>or indifferent. >> >>And for myself, I will basically defend Joe because --- over a period of 15 >>years --- I have come to have personal affection for him (as I did the >>other 'eccentric' individual). I would also be among the first to admit >>that attempting to 'interface' with an eccentric individual can be >>"challenging" at times. >> >>As I would hope it would be the case with others, I will do my best, be >>true to what I believe, and leave it to our historical descendants to be >>the judges. >> >>For myself, it's a tenuous balance between patience and frustration.... >> >>Evan >> >> >> >> From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Dec 29 15:49:00 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA09756; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 15:48:51 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 15:48:51 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 18:58:42 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: Re: Back off on the bickering Bill!!! Resent-Message-ID: <"JSjpw2.0.5O2.XfMYs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8272 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >nexus@peg.apc.org wrote: > > > >> Why don't you just reply to Evan and others on a one-to-one basis, >> instead of making all of us read your grudges! >> >> regards >> >> Duncan > > > >Excuse me, but what list server is this? > >Is this not the same list server that held a firm grip on reality during >the last Newman flap? > >So what has changed? > >Mr. Newman and Mr. Soule are doing their business as usual, incomplete >and inconclusive data, technically weak 'demonstrations' claimed as >'proof' by >some, but disputed by others. > >So here comes another Newman flap to freenrg-l. > >Mr. Roads, please understand the history of Mr. Newman's claims on >freenrg-l. > >The last flap ended only after the Newman camp either refused, or was >unable to keep their discussions within the clear bounds of this list >server. At that time, the subject was dropped by consensus. > >Maybe this all appears to be bickering to you Mr. Roads, but I disagree. > >When Mr. Soule posts to this list, then its perfectly resonable to ask >him to >provide complete, practical data. Mr. Soule's response, as always, is >to tell >people to direct their questions directly to Mr. Newman. Correction, Mr. Shannon. What I have specifically stated is that they may wait for additional data to be provided by Joseph Newman, OR they may contact him directly if they do not wish to wait. > >This is not quite in the 'spirit' of this forum. We have been here >before, its all in the archives. > >If Mr. Soule can post his claims without any direct experimental data >(simply directing inquires to Mr. Newman is very poor form), then why >should members of this forum be asked to take the discussion off line >when they ask very basic questions about any incomplete claims? Ditto the above. > >If Mr. Soule cannot, or will not support the claims, nor even bother to >ask Mr. Newman what the meaningful specifications of the capacitor are, >or the circuit configuration is, then apparently the Newman camp is as >unwilling as ever to meet the clear standards set out in the list >rules. This is also rather impolite of Mr. Soule, given his knowledge >of Mr. Newman's reaction to critical inquiries is. Correction, Mr. Shannon. I believe I have endeavored to be _extremely_ polite with you and with others. And, as I have discussed in another post, Joseph Newman HAS been very receptive to honest and sincere questions posed by total strangers. I find your above word -- "critical" -- as used in the terminology "critical inquiries" to be very informative. There are two meanings to the word critical: critical as in "critical of.." or "attacking the work of.." and critical in the sense of "significant" or "important". I would postulate that if Joseph Newman has a total stranger call him on the telephone and Joe perceives in his mind that the individuals in engaging in a usage of the word "critical" in the first mode, then Joe will respond in a predicatably negative manner. The fact that total strangers HAVE contacted Joseph Newman and communicated in a sincere and honest manner which -- at least -- RECOGNIZES Joseph Newman total committment to his work, PLUS they have been well received by him and had their questions answered, provides evidence that this method can be employed for communicative purposes. > >So Mr. Roads, how can you fairly ask that Bill restrict his comments to >private email? > >Mr. Newman has no email access, Mr. Soule' does, but apparently only to >promote Mr. Newman's activities and not to abide by the list rules. Incorrect, Mr. Shannon. I provide information about a given subject to which I have access at that time. Others are welcome to discuss it as they choose, wait for additional information, or contact Joseph Newman directly if they do not wish to wait. In this regard, email serves as ONE type of conduit with respect to the work of an inventor who is one of the living pioneers of the type of technology for which this list was created in the first place. > >So far the Newman debacle has taken more bandwidth on this list than any >other device or claim. I resent having to download reams of crap only >to find that still nothing has changed. Mr. Newman has not, and will >not address any substancial point where he is either disputed, or is >clearly in error. > >Zero objectivity, zero scientific credibility? Mr. Shannon, I respectfully disagree with your usage of the term "crap". While one could state that your opinion is also "crap", I would find that to be inappropriate terminology for the list. > >So when a Newman flap starts here, expect people who spent months >discussing the claims and tests, experimenting, and arguing the issue to >death to react a bit strongly. And rightfully so, given the history >here. > >For all our time and effort, the Newman camp for decades has steadfastly >refused to address critical issues in a scientific, or even technically >competent manner. > >We hear words to the effect that 'its not a scope artifact', but the >documentation and testing that support the scope artifact counter-claim >remains >unaddressed. There hs still been no technical response on the apparent >errors >in Mr. Newman's interpratations of the 'two coil' experiment either. Joseph Newman has stated that he does not share your opinion of "apparent errors" relative to the 'two coil' experiment. > >On freenrg-l, we are not expected to have to call someone long distance >to resolve these matters. Nor should we be subjected to repeated flaps >on this list if the only response is to give out a phone number. Mr. Shannon, if others choose to engage in initiated "flaps" that is their choice. And if you elect to be "subjected" to such "flaps", that is _your_ choice. I have previously stated that one can wait for additional information or contact Joseph Newman directly ---- that is also one's "choice". Best regards, Evan Soule' From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Dec 29 15:49:12 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA09824; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 15:48:54 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 15:48:54 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 18:58:47 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman: 12/25/98 Resent-Message-ID: <"TytBc.0.FP2.bfMYs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8273 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >Evan Soule' wrote: > > > >> As it turned out, Randi made NO mention that he was an ex-magician and NOT >> an electrical engineer. He portrayed himself as an "electrical engineer" >> yet it was soon very clear to Joe that he was not what he was billed to be. > >Isn't it also true that Mr. Newman has at times, also failed to mention >past >circumstances? Mr. Randi was explicitly described as an electrical engineer by the magazine who financed his visit to Joseph Newman. > >> He was unfamiliar with meter and oscilloscope readings and had no >> comprehension of electrical circuitry. Joe began to wonder why he was >> visiting him. It later became apparent that the only reason Randi visited >> him was to try to "debunk" Joe's work --- rather than make an >> intellectually-honest effort to understand it. Randi was not sent as a >> "scientist" but as a pseudo-sceptic. Randi failed to "debunk" Joseph >> Newman and, humorously, Randi's only "technical" comment was that the >> prototype consisted of "hopelessly tangled loops of copper wire." > >Ok, this sound interesting. > >Randi visits with Mr. Newman. > >To Joe 'it later became apparent' that Randi was sent to debunk Mr. >Newman's work. > >Randi failed to debunk the work (are we supposed to beleive that this in >any way supports Mr. Newman's claims, after all, Randi did not properly >understand the instrumentation according to Mr. Soule). > >Randi's only 'technical comment' was that the prototype consisted of >"hopelessly tangled loops of copper wire." > >Is that what failed to debunk Mr. Newman's work? > Mr. Shannon, you are obviously welcome to believe whatever you wish --- that is your "choice". Others are also welcome to have their opinions. My description of Randi's visit was intended as commentary designed to operationally describe the nature of Randi's actions relative to that visit --- as well as the misrepresentation of himself as an "electrical engineer". > > >> Your statement above, regarding "no replicable results" is totally >> incorrect. There are detailed test reports, for instance, in Joseph >> Newman's book, which one is welcome to repeat for themselves. > >Misdirection Mr. Soule. As you know, I tried to duplicate one of Mr. >Newman's >claims. It was not replicable. We have discussed this before, in some >detail. No, Mr. Shannon, it is not misdirection. It may or may not have been replicable for you (assuming you did used the exactly the same design parameters as those utilized by Joseph Newman); this does not mean that it cannot be replicated by others. > >Mr. Newman may think himself above the ignorant masses brainwashed with >the >thinking that made the internet exist, and refuse to dirty himself with >cases >where his claims are in question. But this list server produces an >archive. > >It is a matter of record. It is a matter of record that Joseph Newman stands by the results of his simple experiment. Whether or not you choose to agree with his results, is your "choice." BTW, a more explicit terminology would be the word "brainsoiled" over "brainwashed." [That's a small, but explicit distinction I made about 20 years ago.] I also happy to disagree with your usage of the words "dirty himself with cases...." Anyone was welcome to personally confront Joseph Newman in Scottsdale (or at any of the numerous other venues in which he has appeared) with an opposing view on a given subject. He is quite willing to "roll up his sleaves" and confront "dirt" (as you describe it). And, BTW, one of the reasons Joe does not personally employ a computer is because he has a physical deformity in one hand which would prevent him from employing normal typing. [This occurred as a result of an accident on an oil rig on which he worked as a young man.] I would guess he could use the "hunt and peck" method -- although even this might prove difficult, not to mention the possible testing of patience in this regard. > >"No replicable results" is techically overstated, and may indeed be >logically false. But this does not mean that Mr. Newman has proven his >case here either. > >How can he, if he does not participate here? Mr. Soule' does, but he >cannot or will not address the technical details as described in our >list rules? When technical details are provided, I will be more than willing to provide same. If this is convenient for you, great. If you do not find this convenient, you are welcome to your opinion. > > > >> Too bad. No doubt Joe will have to somehow survive without a telephone >> call from yourself. > >Too bad for Mr. Newman, he does enjoy his callers attention. Actually, Mr. Shannon, Joe _does_ enjoy hearing from people whom he views as truly sincere and curious. When someone arrives "with an attitude" at his (telephonic) doorstep, their behavior usually engenders "an attitude" on his part as well. The result is a lack of communication. Best regards, Evan Soule' From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Dec 29 15:49:17 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA09871; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 15:48:58 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 15:48:58 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 18:58:51 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: Re: Growl! Resent-Message-ID: <"Rg7uf3.0.pP2.dfMYs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8274 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >Evan Soule wrote: > > > >> Dear Bill, >> >> If you wish to reply directly to Joseph Newman, you can contact him at: >> (602) 657-3722 [9am or 9pm are usually good times]. No doubt olde Joe >> would love to engage in a little "heart-to-heart" chit chat. And if you do >> not wish to so contact him, that's fine with me. :-) >> >> Hope you had a really Happy Newton Day! >> >> Evan Soule' > >Evan, > >If your going to promote Mr. Newman's work here, please do so with >respect to our list. >Techical discussion, with an experimental basis is fine. Telling people >time and time again to call Mr. Newman for basic answers is quite >impolite and disrespectful. Dear Bob, Thank you for your opinion that my above factual and explicit response is "quite impolite and disrespectful." This is your opinion to which you are welcome. However, as a matter of fact, this is one operational method of pursuing additional information which anyone is welcome to employ. I have endeavored to communicate with respect and politeness and have not initiated ridicule, sarcasm, or attack against anyone. Others have used terminology such as "crap" which could be described as "impolite and disrespectful". > >If you cannot be bothered to simply ask a few basic questions about the >material you post here, then you really do become a burden here. The >signal to noise ratio of Newman flaps is so very low, we had to close >this subject here before. > >Please simply back up your posts with the requested details, or don't >use this list to promote Mr. Newman's work. > >To do anything less than this is simply unfair. This list is unique >partly becuase of its strong emphisis on experimental objectivity in the >alternative arena. Bob, let me explain it to you again: I have previously stated that one is welcome to wait for additional details from Joseph Newman and/or one can contact him directly. I originally made a post provided by Joseph Newman about his technology. If someone wishes to respond with "flap" --- that is their choice and could also be considered "impolite and disrespectful." Also -- regarding your statement that I "promote" Joseph Newman's work. Specifically: I post information, for example, provided to me by Joseph Nemwan about results/observations/demos/etc. Many individuals on this list have also provided information about other's work which they happen to find interesting and/or believe in as a viable energy alternative. If you believe that everyone who presents information about technology which they find interesting is "promoting" such work. Fine. You are certainly entitled to your opinion. Sometimes these individuals provide extensive information about the work they are presenting, and sometimes they do not. Sometimes the additional details are presented at a later time. Sometimes the information is presented as a means to stimulate thought in others who may be more knowledgable about the specifics and their understanding of the technology(ies). And sometime the presentation of given information simply stimulates additional creative modes of thought. Sincerely, Evan Soule' From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Dec 29 15:49:24 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id PAA09939; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 15:49:02 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 15:49:02 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 18:58:53 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: Re: Newman's Capacitor Resent-Message-ID: <"gIlYW.0.1R2.jfMYs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8275 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >Evan Soule wrote: >> >> Speaking of capacitance, this was a portion of an ongoing discussion about >> this subject, as posted by Mitchell Jones --- (ERS): >> >> >Mitchell Jones wrote: > > > >> The use of such a voltage limiter should permit Newman to disconnect the >> battery from his motor as soon as the capacitor is fully charged. If he is >> right about his technology, then the motor should self-sustain under those >> circumstances, and he would have the "smoking gun" proof of "over unity" >> that he desires. At that point, all opposition to his technology should >> collapse: the patent office would come to him on bended knee and beg him to >> accept a patent, and the money should flow like a river, from Wall Street >> straight into his pocket! > >Mr. Newman has clearly stated that his motor will not self-run from >capacitors. > >The testing in Europe also clearly shows this to be true. The motor >stops. >The RPM drop is nearly linear. Conclusion: can we therefore conclude that a self-running system which utilizes the technology (or a derivative of the technology) is NEVER possible? I don't think so. One method of examining this aspect of the technology as a possibility is to pursue future experimentation and investigation. ERS From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Dec 29 17:11:29 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA17921; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 17:11:27 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 17:11:27 -0800 Message-Id: <199812300216.XAA25867@bigbox.plug-in.com.br> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Marcelo Puhl" Organization: Huh? To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 23:10:51 -2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: opinions,please Reply-to: mark@plug-in.com.br Priority: normal In-reply-to: <368949A5.102DDD50@ghiocel.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Resent-Message-ID: <"Olscl3.0.wN4.-sNYs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8276 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com > > I downloaded the file. > I tried to open your file, but I could not open it using the plugins. > Can you please specify what program you used to generate the file? > Or, can you try a different format? > > Dan > Try the Microsoft PowerPoint. --- Marcelo Puhl mark@plug-in.com.br From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Dec 29 17:38:52 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA28875; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 17:38:49 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 17:38:49 -0800 Message-Id: <199812300138.TAA04387@neon.prysm.net> From: "Robert H. Calloway" To: Subject: static charge Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 19:26:48 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"9dj492.0.437.fGOYs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8277 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hello All, Does anyone have ideas on converting a static charge of 75,000 to 250,000 volts down to a usable electricity? (However small it might be). I have discovered a supply of this static charge for basicly nothing. Now... what do I do with it? Regards, Robert H. Calloway From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Dec 29 19:24:10 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA29117; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 19:24:06 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 19:24:06 -0800 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Cc: billc9@prysm.net Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 19:19:43 -0800 Subject: Re: static charge Message-ID: <19981229.192056.9326.0.tv@juno.com> References: <199812300138.TAA04387@neon.prysm.net> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-8,10-11,13,15-18 From: tv@juno.com (Tim Vaughan) Resent-Message-ID: <"7lhww2.0.o67.MpPYs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8278 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Maybe you could use a spark gap to make an oscillator and use a step down transformer like T.H. Moray. What is the high voltage source ? Tim ( tv@juno.com ) On Tue, 29 Dec 1998 19:26:48 -0600 "Robert H. Calloway" writes: >Hello All, Does anyone have ideas on converting a static charge of >75,000 to 250,000 volts down to a usable electricity? (However small it might be). I >have discovered a supply of this static charge for basicly nothing. Now... what do I do >with it? >Regards, Robert H. Calloway ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Dec 29 20:06:09 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA17852; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 20:06:00 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 20:06:00 -0800 Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 20:05:53 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199812300405.UAA05190@avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: dave dameron Subject: Re: Newman's Capacitor Resent-Message-ID: <"1n9nI3.0.rM4.eQQYs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8279 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Evan and all, At 06:58 PM 12/29/98 -0600, you wrote: > >If someone else has unintentionally 'confused' the issue then a post can be >made correcting said confusion. > >The above circuit was proposed by Mitchell Jones. Since Joseph Newman has >not seen the above post, you are welcome, Keith, to present it to him and >request his feedback. I assume by now you have his telephone number, but >with repetition in mind, its (602) 657-3722. > >Best regards, > I decided to call Mr Newman tonight and found out: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>1) the measured voltage across the cap's terminals at breakdown. The motor is producing more power than the (new) approx 110 volt battery at 300 to 400 mA is putting in. The current is measured by an ammeter. A previous smaller setup had the discharge from one cap terminal to the case. This setup has the discharge at the commutator. No discharge at the capacitor. The interval is 0.5 to 1 sec. Mr. Newman is working on a new press release (for tomorrow) that will answer many of my questions. It will be posted to the internet. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>2) the capacity in Farads. I told him my calculations of 9uF. The conversation went into another direction. >>>>>>>>3) how the elements in the circuit are connected. Unknown. See tomorrow's press release. My conversation was about 4 min. Mr. Newman seemed very rushed, but I thanked him for the time he gave me. Hopt this helps a bit. -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Dec 29 20:29:14 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA27052; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 20:29:10 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 20:29:10 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19981229233656.00c802b0@cnct.com> X-Sender: knagel@cnct.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 23:36:58 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Keith Nagel Subject: Re: Newman's Capacitor Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"igy9H2.0.bc6.MmQYs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8280 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 08:05 PM 12/29/98 -0800, you wrote: >Mr. Newman is working on a new press release (for tomorrow) that will answer >many of my questions. It will be posted to the internet. >-Dave > Well, it seems we are still 0 for 3. I of course wait with great interest for the press release, still hoping that my questions will be answered. K. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Dec 29 21:07:33 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA08750; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 21:07:26 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 21:07:26 -0800 Message-ID: <00ae01be33b2$46224980$baa9f0cf@default> From: "mrand@access" To: Subject: Re: Newman's Capacitor Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 21:06:41 -0800 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"_5FoI2.0.b82.DKRYs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8281 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >At 08:05 PM 12/29/98 -0800, you wrote: >>Mr. Newman is working on a new press release (for tomorrow) that will answer >>many of my questions. It will be posted to the internet. >>-Dave >> > >Well, it seems we are still 0 for 3. I of course wait with great >interest for the press release, still hoping that my questions >will be answered. > >K. Yeah, and when can we buy one to power our homes 8^) Reagrds, Michael Randall > > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Tue Dec 29 22:49:30 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id WAA05940; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 22:49:27 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 22:49:27 -0800 From: MKSBoysal@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 01:48:52 EST To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: static charge Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"VoCfa.0.fS1.tpSYs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8282 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hey Robert, Not too long a go as I was searching for generators, I did see a website about static motors. I never saved the address, thinking was not importunate. I suggest search (by using different search engines) static motors and the website will come up. As far as I remember, it was some one came up with this idea that when you apply high voltage of static electricity with very fine brushes glass or a plastic bottle that was hooked on a shaft, was spinning up to 5000, 6000 rpm. maybe you can use plexi glass like 5", 6" round with ball bearings each end just like below, and if get an enough torque you can put a pulley at the end to drive something. Mehmet. these are the brushes here ________||||__________ | | | | |V| ===HHH===| |===HHH==| |== [ ] | | [ ] |/\| [ ] |___________________ | [ ] [ ] |||| [ ] [ ]____________________________[ ] [________________________________] Hello All, Does anyone have ideas on converting a static charge of 75,000 to 250,000 volts down to a usable electricity? (However small it might be). I have discovered a supply of this static charge for basicly nothing. Now... what do I do with it? Regards, Robert H. Calloway From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Dec 30 04:21:38 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id EAA24741; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 04:21:35 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 04:21:35 -0800 Message-Id: <199812301327.KAA20175@bigbox.plug-in.com.br> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Marcelo Puhl" Organization: Huh? To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 10:20:35 -2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: static charge Reply-to: mark@plug-in.com.br Priority: normal In-reply-to: <199812300138.TAA04387@neon.prysm.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Resent-Message-ID: <"h-hfr1.0.T26.FhXYs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8283 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com > Hello All, Does anyone have ideas on converting a static charge of 75,000 to > 250,000 volts down to a usable electricity? (However small it might be). I > have discovered a supply of this static charge for basicly nothing. Now... > what do I do with it? Regards, Robert H. Calloway > Make a rotary variable capacitor, charge it with your HV supply when it is completelly open and discharge it to the load when it is completelly closed. The open/close capacitance ratio will give your voltage transformation ratio. Another way of doing this : Get several capacitors, connect them in series and charge the bank with your HV supply. Next, connect all the capacitors in parallel and discharge the bank to your load. The connections could be made via some form of rotative commutadors. --- Marcelo Puhl mark@plug-in.com.br From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Dec 30 06:17:11 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA13995; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 06:17:03 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 06:17:03 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 09:26:59 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: Re: Newman's Capacitor Resent-Message-ID: <"PIIhc.0.WQ3.UNZYs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8284 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com >Hi Evan and all, >At 06:58 PM 12/29/98 -0600, you wrote: >> >>If someone else has unintentionally 'confused' the issue then a post can be >>made correcting said confusion. >> >>The above circuit was proposed by Mitchell Jones. Since Joseph Newman has >>not seen the above post, you are welcome, Keith, to present it to him and >>request his feedback. I assume by now you have his telephone number, but >>with repetition in mind, its (602) 657-3722. >> >>Best regards, >> >I decided to call Mr Newman tonight and found out: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>1) the measured voltage across the cap's terminals at breakdown. >The motor is producing more power than the (new) approx 110 volt battery at >300 to 400 mA is putting in. The current is measured by an ammeter. A >previous smaller setup had the discharge from one cap terminal to the case. >This setup has the discharge at the commutator. No discharge at the >capacitor. The interval is 0.5 to 1 sec. > >Mr. Newman is working on a new press release (for tomorrow) that will answer >many of my questions. It will be posted to the internet. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>2) the capacity in Farads. >I told him my calculations of 9uF. The conversation went into another >direction. > >>>>>>>>>3) how the elements in the circuit are connected. >Unknown. See tomorrow's press release. > >My conversation was about 4 min. >Mr. Newman seemed very rushed, but I thanked him for the time he gave me. >Hopt this helps a bit. >-Dave Dear Dave, As they say, "nothing ventured, nothing gained" --- thanks for venturing & giving Joe a call yourself. Yes, I'm in the process of preparing his statement which he has faxed to me. It may be longer than a day for release because he may be adding some additional comments, etc. Regards, Evan From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Dec 30 06:37:56 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id GAA22808; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 06:37:53 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 06:37:53 -0800 From: "Stefano Innocenti" To: "freenrg-l" Subject: Searching project ! Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 15:35:49 +0100 Message-ID: <01be3401$b2216fe0$3900fd80@zio-stefo> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"2fF682.0.Ga5.1hZYs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8285 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi list! Does anyone remember a project publicated about 1 year ago on this list? It was a simple circuit with a common quartz crystal connected with an aerial, resonating with the earth em field... (If I don't mistake..). Could someone please email me the draft with this scheme? I am also interested in tapping energy from air (Here in Rome, Italy there is a lot of EMF Pollution that I would transform in electricity...) Regards and Happy New Year Stefano From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Dec 30 09:05:27 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA06569; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 09:05:23 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 09:05:23 -0800 Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 09:05:19 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199812301705.JAA21847@goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: dave dameron Subject: Re: Searching project ! Resent-Message-ID: <"LkBs42.0.Xc1.IrbYs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8287 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com At 03:35 PM 12/30/98 +0100, you wrote: >Hi list! > >Does anyone remember a project publicated about 1 year ago on this list? >It was a simple circuit with a common quartz crystal connected with an >aerial, resonating with the earth em field... (If I don't mistake..). >Could someone please email me the draft with this scheme? > Could have been Fred Epps' "earthpower" receiver, from Oct 18, 1997? In series, in order: 4" ball antenna, 90 Ohm resistor, 3.57MHz crystal, and ground. Another series circuit in parallel to the crystal: 10nF capacitor, 1N270 diode, 100K resistor. Cathode of diode to 10nF cap. Any more input, Fred? -Dave From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Dec 30 09:05:30 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA06513; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 09:05:18 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 09:05:18 -0800 Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 09:05:14 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199812301705.JAA21753@goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Sender: ddameron@earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: dave dameron Subject: Re: Newman's Capacitor Resent-Message-ID: <"9qHwS2.0.gb1.DrbYs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8286 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hi Evan and all, At 09:26 AM 12/30/98 -0600, you wrote: >As they say, "nothing ventured, nothing gained" --- thanks for venturing & >giving Joe a call yourself. Yes, I'm in the process of preparing his >statement which he has faxed to me. It may be longer than a day for >release because he may be adding some additional comments, etc. > >Regards, > >Evan > I'll look foward to it. Although I did not learn all what I asked in my conversation, I did learn several other things. Foe example, if the coil can draw 300 to 400 mA at 110 Volts, it is an easier coil to wind than some of the "HV" coils. If one guesses AWG 28 wire (The size I'd use for about 300mA) and 250 Ohms, one gets: (only!) 4000 feet, 1.2Km, and less than 2 lbs or 1Kg of wire. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Dec 30 09:21:03 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA13975; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 09:20:57 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 09:20:57 -0800 From: alansch@zip.com.au (Alan Schneider) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: static charge Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 17:20:51 GMT Message-ID: <368a6097.61015675@mail.zip.com.au> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mx1.eskimo.com id JAA13931 Resent-Message-ID: <"T4bb4.0.CQ3.u3cYs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8288 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com On Wed, 30 Dec 1998 01:48:52 EST, MKSBoysal@aol.com wrote: > Hey Robert, >Not too long a go as I was searching for generators, I did see a website about >static >motors. I never saved the address, thinking was not importunate. >I suggest search (by using different search engines) static motors and the >website >will come up. Do a search for Oleg Jefimenko, too. He researched and published a lot about static driven motors some years back, i believe. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Dec 30 11:33:23 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA22724; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 11:33:04 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 11:33:04 -0800 Message-ID: <005f01be342a$5eba6fe0$8737a8cf@dwenbert.spacey.net> Reply-To: "dwenbert" From: "dwenbert" To: Subject: Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman: 12/25/98 Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 14:26:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"QLgkV3.0.xY5.l_dYs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8289 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Felix: Are you Stan Meyer's brother? David L. Wenbert dwenbert@spacey.net From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Dec 30 12:23:01 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA08272; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 12:22:29 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 12:22:29 -0800 Message-ID: <002401be3431$fa387b40$14ea39cc@default> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: Searching project ! Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 12:20:43 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0021_01BE33EE.D2B590A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"rnlrK1.0.912.5keYs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8290 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01BE33EE.D2B590A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Stefano and Dave, Yes, it sounds like it's my circuit. A few things: 1) It was an experiment in dowsing. The whole thing was dowsed out of electronics catalogs (I believe I used Mouser for most of it). My wife, who know nothing about electronics, was the dowser, and I did not suggest any parts or placements. 2) I don't know how or whether it works. We dowsed a little about the working principle but it didn't make much sense. It is hard to ask "how?" questions in yes or no format without leading the questions. 3) My sense though is that it would be some sort of converter of orgone type energies and not a receiver of EM. The circuit diagram is attached. >> >>Does anyone remember a project publicated about 1 year ago on this list? >>It was a simple circuit with a common quartz crystal connected with an >>aerial, resonating with the earth em field... (If I don't mistake..). >>Could someone please email me the draft with this scheme? >> >Could have been Fred Epps' "earthpower" receiver, from Oct 18, 1997? >In series, in order: 4" ball antenna, 90 Ohm resistor, 3.57MHz crystal, and >ground. >Another series circuit in parallel to the crystal: >10nF capacitor, 1N270 diode, 100K resistor. 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To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"UT17L3.0.TX4.cAfYs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8291 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Interesting -- What was the question/objective used during the dowsing? How did you/her dowse the catalog? Did you ever build and test the circuit? If so, what did you learn? ---Fred Epps wrote: > > Hi Stefano and Dave, > > Yes, it sounds like it's my circuit. A few things: > > 1) It was an experiment in dowsing. The whole thing was dowsed out of > electronics catalogs (I believe I used Mouser for most of it). My wife, > who know nothing about electronics, was the dowser, and I did not > suggest any parts or placements. > 2) I don't know how or whether it works. We dowsed a little about the > working principle but it didn't make much sense. It is hard to ask > "how?" questions in yes or no format without leading the questions. > 3) My sense though is that it would be some sort of converter of orgone > type energies and not a receiver of EM. > == Anton Rager a_rager@yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Dec 30 16:56:15 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA31630; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 16:56:06 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 16:56:06 -0800 Message-Id: <199812310056.SAA12968@mw2.texas.net> From: "Joe Portman Sr." To: Subject: Re: static charge Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 18:56:06 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Eri8h.0.sj7.bkiYs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8292 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hmmmm.....try "piezo benders" as keywords in the search. I have used them on past projects successfully. Joe ============================== ---------- > From: Alan Schneider > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: static charge > Date: Wednesday, December 30, 1998 11:20 AM > > On Wed, 30 Dec 1998 01:48:52 EST, MKSBoysal@aol.com wrote: > > > Hey Robert, > >Not too long a go as I was searching for generators, I did see a website about > >static > >motors. I never saved the address, thinking was not importunate. > > >I suggest search (by using different search engines) static motors and the > >website > >will come up. > > Do a search for Oleg Jefimenko, too. He researched and published a lot > about static driven motors some years back, i believe. > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Dec 30 17:29:05 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA19214; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 17:29:02 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 17:29:02 -0800 Message-Id: <199812310128.TAA25006@mw4.texas.net> From: "Joe Portman Sr." To: Subject: Re: static charge Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 19:28:02 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"xJg-M3.0.7i4.TDjYs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8293 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com ---------- > From: Joe Portman Sr. > To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: static charge > Date: Wednesday, December 30, 1998 6:56 PM > > Hmmmm.....try "piezo benders" as keywords in the search. I have used them > on past projects successfully. > Joe > ============================== > > > > Hey Robert, > > >Not too long a go as I was searching for generators, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Dec 30 17:50:37 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA29551; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 17:50:23 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 17:50:23 -0800 Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 20:42:14 -0500 (EST) From: John Schnurer To: free E Subject: Wanted: Old dead tubes (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"PKMOo2.0.KD7.TXjYs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8294 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 20:39:45 -0500 (EST) From: John Schnurer To: John Schnurer Subject: Wanted: Old dead tubes Dear Folks, I am looking to see if any of you or your friends have any old dead ... or not dead but used .... high power control tubes such as thyratrons, ignatrons, rectifiers of the mercury gas type. I am going to open them up are examine damage. The project is to investigate damage and failure in such power-mercury-gas [or vacuum] tubes. I can use working tubes.... but not new tubes. Mercury arc tubes used for lighting are OK too .... ones that are exposed to stress... the more stress the better, such as short arc high current tubes. I will share results with the group if anyone is interested. Thanks in advance for your vluable scrounging, John "junk ain't REALLY junk" Herman Schnurer From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Dec 30 17:58:20 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA02741; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 17:58:17 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 17:58:17 -0800 Message-Id: <199812310158.TAA29319@neon.prysm.net> From: "Robert H. Calloway" To: Cc: Subject: Electrostatic generator Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 19:43:48 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"wiDPA.0.kg.vejYs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8295 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Hello All, I thank everyone for their suggestions on my question of "How to tranform static down to a usable voltage". I will put together a discription of how to build the generator in the next day or so, as I will be off work. Regards, Robert H. Calloway From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 31 12:23:10 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA29198; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 12:23:05 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 12:23:05 -0800 X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRRyROU+/HbMjfj69iQbvs85/GZgAIUdkpPgsXnxcTT8jbKyYFu9SfmjiQ= From: dennisgarrett@webtv.net (Dennis Garrett) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 12:23:02 -0800 (PST) To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Press Release from Joseph Newman for 1/1/1999 Message-ID: <27766-368BDD26-721@mailtod-171.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: Jerry Wayne Decker 's message of Thu, 31 Dec 1998 12:08:59 -0800 (PST) Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"sAv0W1.0.387.fqzYs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8302 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com did joe answer the three questions? he rambled on so much i couldn't tell. Dennis From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Dec 30 23:28:34 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id XAA30746; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 23:28:30 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 23:28:30 -0800 Message-ID: <00db01be348f$07ff6ba0$1aea39cc@default> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: Searching project ! Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 23:27:23 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"2nJRS2.0.JW7.UUoYs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8296 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Anton, > >Interesting -- What was the question/objective used during the >dowsing? "Please give me the simplest working free energy device" How did you/her dowse the catalog? We first established the number of parts. Then we established that all the parts would be in two catalogs (Mouser and Radar Electric, a local company). We established which catalog each part would be in. Then we took a part, arbitrarily given as "part 1" and established which section of the catalog it was in, then which page, which column, and so on, until we had only one part. Then we did the same with the others. The use of the tesla capacity (metal sphere) just popped into my mind while I was asking about one of the part numbers and the dowsing said it was correct. I later thought something else might work but the dowsing rejected all other possibilities. The long metal rod was hard to establish. It was a sort of guessing game, but through extensive questions we established that it was a metal rod and the rest was easier. Then we got the connections by starting with an arbitrary part and asking which parts were connected to it. The whole process took about 3 evenings. > >Did you ever build and test the circuit? If so, what did you learn? No, I never could find a suitable object for the Tesla capacity. The dowsing said that it must be smooth so that left out fruit bowls and the like. Aluminum foil over plastic was rejected as well. It just had to be a hollow metal sphere with a 4 inch radius. Not being a particularly resourceful person when it comes to construction, I just wandered off to something else after a while :-/ Also the circuit did not make any sense at the time, which gave it less credibility to me. Now it seems at least possible that it would work. Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 31 01:26:21 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id BAA14118; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 01:26:12 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 01:26:12 -0800 Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 04:18:08 -0500 (EST) From: John Schnurer To: John Schnurer cc: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Circuit...Re: Searching project ! In-Reply-To: <199812301705.JAA21847@goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"dfD6i.0.VS3.qCqYs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8297 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dear Folks, This type of circuit will rectify ambient RF.... the crystal tends to also ring at its frequency. If it is NOT used... the system will be more effective. This method has been used for years to extract broad band RF and power radios. If you use a voltage doubler rectifier circuit... you can double the voltage and halve to current. This sometimes is easier to use for power. Antenna is LONG wire ... and ground is good earth ground ...between them you put an impedance. Example: Antenna will be called "high" or H and ground will be called low or "L". 1] ^ <<<< Antenna ! ! _ ! ^ = a diode, germanium good... diode connecter Ge ! transistor is best ! anode cathode ( the >1 is diode ) !-------//------!----------->1------------------!------------- Output _ cathode $ ! ^ anode $ = < capacitor Impedance goes here ! resistor> $ ! ! $ ! -------------------------------------------------------- ! ! ! ----//---- + a capacitor, all caps are 1 mFd ! resistor can be 10 to 500 K ohms. ! *****************Earth You can get about 30 volts from this in Cincinnati within 10 miles of WLW 50,000 watts radio station. Not a mystery.... but good fun An impedance might be a loop coil would on 2 or 3 foot form....play around. JHS On Wed, 30 Dec 1998, dave dameron wrote: > At 03:35 PM 12/30/98 +0100, you wrote: > >Hi list! > > > >Does anyone remember a project publicated about 1 year ago on this list? > >It was a simple circuit with a common quartz crystal connected with an > >aerial, resonating with the earth em field... (If I don't mistake..). > >Could someone please email me the draft with this scheme? > > > Could have been Fred Epps' "earthpower" receiver, from Oct 18, 1997? > In series, in order: 4" ball antenna, 90 Ohm resistor, 3.57MHz crystal, and > ground. > Another series circuit in parallel to the crystal: > 10nF capacitor, 1N270 diode, 100K resistor. Cathode of diode to 10nF cap. > Any more input, Fred? > -Dave > > From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 31 02:48:07 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id CAA26242; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 02:48:04 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 02:48:04 -0800 Message-ID: <025301be34aa$ea324400$1aea39cc@default> From: "Fred Epps" To: Subject: Re: Circuit...Re: Searching project ! Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 02:47:04 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"wY3Hq.0.tP6.ZPrYs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8298 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi John, If you have read my more recent post about the provenance of this gadget, then you will see that the most interesting thing about it was that it was dowsed rather than designed. BTW, this was done about 3 years ago, and my understanding of electronics was very dim then (maybe it is now :-) In any case, at that time there is no way I could have designed anything that would work in any way, much less my wife. > > This type of circuit will rectify ambient RF.... the crystal >tends to also ring at its frequency. If it is NOT used... the system >will be more effective. Well I just put in what the spirit guides told me to :-) The crystal was specified as to frequency and cut. > Not a mystery.... but good fun Maybe not a mystery, except how my wife could 'tune into' a radio design. BTW, the dowsed power output was in the 50 W range, which seems inconceivable to me, but I asked several times, that was always the answer. The diode couldn't even take 50 W.. so maybe it is all nonsense... Fred From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 31 09:27:21 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id JAA20015; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 09:27:10 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 09:27:10 -0800 Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 12:19:05 -0500 (EST) From: John Schnurer To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com cc: Fred Epps , John Schnurer Subject: Notes...Dowsing... Circuit Searching project In-Reply-To: <025301be34aa$ea324400$1aea39cc@default> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"nD_BC1.0.eu4.kFxYs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8299 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dear Folks, See notes in text .... Many of you may not know, in much depth, about dowsing. I have found it to be both powerful and mysterious. With good dowsers, never a dull moment! Some thoughts on the matter, in no particular order; 1] there are several types of dowsing. Including but not limited to; Finding things and-or water, oil and so on. This can be done on-site or from maps, removal of 'bad energy', healing ... and, as Fred describes ..designing and-or repairing stuff, answering questions ... and more! 2] many people, dowsers included, have fixed notions about what Dowsing is, what can or cannot be done. A couple of examples of dowsers' fixed ideas; a] One legend was a 'finder' dowser [those who can find lost items] cannot dowse for an item in a box colored red or painted red. A challenge was put forth for a finder to find an item buried on purpose for the test in a farmer's yard. The dowser dowsed for a red box and found it. Many finders have no trouble with a red box, or any other color or kind of box. b] Another story told of the dowsing ability being 'blocked' by a strip of aluminum foil on the forehead or a band around the forehead. Some of the dowsers who believed in the saying could not dowse with Al foil strip on head .... others poo pooed the idea, tried the foil and it had no effect on the dowsing. c] A classic part of what I will call 'white dowsing' is to ask permission BEFORE asking a question or finding an object or objects. There are several documented cases of a non dowser asking a dowser to find a treasure and the dowser asks creation "Is this OK"? .. and on getting a no it is NOT OK ... the dowser does not perform the task... but some dowsers will attempt the task. I would term the 'go ahead after NO Don't do it' grey or black dowsers. This 'no, don't' response has been so in some cases where the 'treasure' is actually the proceeds of a robbery, sometimes a robbery with violence. d] Asking questions: The process of using a dowser to answer questions is VERY interesting... in some cases I have been involved with, in the matter of designing an instrument, it worked. I feel strongly the process is affected by the participants... what they or others present know... even if 'subconcious'... how the questions are asked.... the mental state of the asker and the answerer. Sometimes a pendulum is used. e] One aspect of dowsing is a property called a Ley line. These are straight lines that traverse the earth and can be detected by dowsers. Finally: MOST of the information about dowsing; * written about dowsing by dowsers and non dowsers * conveyed by stories * conveyed by media ..... is just plain flat incorrect. The publication with the lowest EQ, or Error Quotient, is the quarterly American Society of Dowsers publication. If you want to learn SOME about dowsers, contact ASD, just call information in Danville Vermont and ask for the chapter in your area... and go visit. It is best to keep an open mind AND consult more than one dowser. Know that almost all information about dowsing is out of context and colored by the conveyers of the information. There are few good white dowsers who jump and shout 'LOOKAT ME..I'm a dowser'. Ask the simple question of your aquaintences "Have you ever heard of dowsing?" .... You will be surprised if you ask enough people. I have kept an open mind for years and have worked closely with dowsers and other persons who exhibit what I like to call 'the dowsing reflex' and have enjoyed many eye opening experiences. Hardball engineering I have done in the field: These are instruments I built or effects which were recorded by off-the-shelf instrumentation; * Locate and detect Ley lines * How the healing dowsing reflex can be expressed as bio potentials * Dowsing reflex changes physical matter * Change of matter from a distance * Instrumentation of hand movements in pendulum dowsing * Recording of biopotentials in 'Dowsing Reflex Events' On Thu, 31 Dec 1998, Fred Epps wrote: > Hi John, > > If you have read my more recent post about the provenance of this > gadget, then you will see that the most interesting thing about it was > that it was dowsed rather than designed. BTW, this was done about 3 > years ago, and my understanding of electronics was very dim then (maybe > it is now :-) In any case, at that time there is no way I could have > designed anything that would work in any way, much less my wife. > Not true.... the dowsing reflex can draw on many sources. In my opinion your wife may have at one time just glanced at a schematic... amybe 10 yrears ago and-or overheard conversation ... and have a 'hidden background' in electronics. Also the way one puts questions matters... and your knowledge, very important, colors matters. You should enjoy reading several beginners books on electronics, and have your wife page through them too. > > > > This type of circuit will rectify ambient RF.... the crystal > >tends to also ring at its frequency. If it is NOT used... the system > >will be more effective. > > Well I just put in what the spirit guides told me to :-) The crystal > was specified as to frequency and cut. > What was the cut and frequency? > > Not a mystery.... but good fun > > Maybe not a mystery, except how my wife could 'tune into' a radio > design. Dowsing draws from MANY sources.... > > BTW, the dowsed power output was in the 50 W range, which seems > inconceivable to me, but I asked several times, that was always the > answer. The diode couldn't even take 50 W.. so maybe it is all > nonsense... Well ... did you build it? Unless the dowser is completely familiar with units and values then you can get errors. Anoter source of error, very common, is some preconcieved idea in the mind of either party ... such as "This design MUST have a crystal. It is Extremely important all parties learn to control and guide or 'focus' their thoughts during an exercies in dowsing. > > Fred I expect some readers to be disbelievers. That is OK. If you ever have the opportunity to see a well controlled experiment, such as the matter change experiments you will be glad you did. To see a test tube full of water clamped onto ring stand and instrumented solely with optics...CHANGE in some property... say surface tension ... just by the intent and dowsing reflex of a dowser who does NOT touch the set up.... and see this reproducibly ... well 'ya jest ain't lived good yit' I am leaving out something important... but it will come to me and when it does, I will post. JHS From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 31 11:35:52 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id LAA10693; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 11:35:04 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 11:35:04 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 14:44:50 -0600 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule) Subject: Press Release from Joseph Newman for 1/1/1999 Resent-Message-ID: <"JtHjy2.0.-c2.e7zYs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8300 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Press Release from Joseph Newman for 1/1/1999 Newman Energy Technologies Corporation 11445 East Via Linda, Suite 2416 Scottsdale, Arizona 85259 * (602) 657-3722 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: JANUARY 1, 1999 To The People and Newsmedia of the World and to quote the popular expression: "Dawning of the 'Age of Aquarius'" The Joseph Newman Energy Technology is coming forward rapidly. To all the good and honest people I write to you: There are those who - through either ignorance or deliberate lying - tell you the following incorrect information - 1. "That current flows from the Positive to the Negative side of the battery, and so the Newman Energy Technology does not work as Joseph Newman states." and, 2. "That Newman Energy Technology does not produce a true Back Spike of Current." Both of the above statements are blatantly false! Such statements are made by individuals wishing to confuse and confound your understanding of my life's work for you and humanity. With respect to statement #1 above: To better understand this, return to a basic electrochemistry text concerning batteries, or simply turn to page 538 of my book (The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman) where I quote from Mr. Pat Spellman, Chief Chemist of Ray-O-Vac Corporation, who specifically states, "This battery system [used in conjunction with the Newman Motor/Generator] produces direct current which flows from the NEGATIVE of the battery to the positive." Basic electrochemistry textbooks have long taught this fact. Ben Franklin guessed incorrectly when he stated that "current flowed from the positive to the negative side of the battery." Accordingly, all basic electric current meters were incorrectly designed and are, to this day, showing current flowing from the Positive to Negative side of the battery. In reality, THE FACTS PROVE that electric current flows from the NEGATIVE to POSITIVE side of the battery! Don't let anyone lie to you and tell you otherwise. Dr. Roger Hastings - from the very first time he visited my home and lab in the early 1980s - began telling other technically-oriented people: "Don't tell Joseph Newman that current flows from the Positive to the Negative side of the battery. He will have NO part in saying something that is scientifically incorrect and he will rigidly hold to the true findings of scientific experimentation that current flows from the Negative to the Positive side of the battery." With respect to statement #2 above: This is a deliberate LIE! It has been taught in basic electromagnetic engineering textbooks for years: "Physically, this SIMPLY MEANS that the energy contained in the magnetic field, when it is built up by current flow in one direction, IS RETURNED by the COLLAPSING magnetic field when the DIRECTION OF CURRENT FLOW reverses." and "It is evident that NO NET OR REAL POWER IS CONSUMED ...." [The above quotation is from page 136 of "Electricity Made Simple" by Henry Jacobowitz, Columbia University, copyrighted 1959.] My point is that this fact has been known in basic science for decades. Therefore, anyone who claims to be technically competent and tells you that Joseph Newman's Energy Technology does not produce a Back Spike of Current has deliberately LIED to you, for the purpose of confusing you. Question: Why do you think they do this? Give it some thought and you will realize that the Power Brokers, their "kronies" and related thieves with their "old boy networks" do not want you the people of the world to know that I, Joseph W. Newman, am the Pioneer of this Revolutionary Energy Machine and/or that it does indeed exist as a real and viable technology. The very fact that they lie to you about the above-described, KNOWN Scientific Fact ["That when a Magnetic Field is built by current in one direction, the collapsing magnetic field produces current in the same direction and amount of input current."] is significant. One can also know that they lie to you about this because they tell you: the Massive Coils of Joseph Newman's Energy Technology produces NO back-current spikes." Yet you know that the basic scientific fact which I have quoted to you is true. Therefore, you also know that the Massive Coils of the Newman Energy Technology has definitely produced a MASSIVE BACK-CURRENT SPIKE that consists of REAL CURRENT! If they lie to you about the above, I hope you realize that they have also lied to you when they attempt to deny the fact of the more than thirty Affidavits of Operability signed by many scientists and engineers who tested and confirmed that my prototypes demonstrate Greater External Energy Output Than External Energy Input. I have been obtaining phenomenal results from the testing and accumulation of data on my latest production prototype and its use in conjunction with the 7620 Volt large Capacitor of 200 KVAR that causes the back spike to literally produce "thunder" [the "pow-pow-pow" sound] in its lightning-like back-spike. Such an effect CANNOT be produced by only 120 volts and a mere milliamp input. If one reads a simple Simpson wire-wrapped ammeter correctly and uses a superb hand-held Fluke 87 Meter to read the voltage across the battery pack connected to my 350 lb Motor with a 140 lb Rotor, one will accurately read that the resonance effect of the tremendous back spike from my Motor to the large capacitor is ALSO imposed upon and in the battery pack itself, as one observes the simple Simpson Ammeter needle swaying from 400 to 1000 MA and simultaneously observing the Fluke 87 Meter giving voltage across the battery pack rises to the highest voltage shown at the exact same instant of the highest current shown on the Simpson Ammeter. Anyone who has had experience with batteries KNOWS THAT THE VOLTAGE FALLS MORE AND MORE WITH HIGHER CURRENT DRAWN FROM SUCH A BATTERY. Therefore, the honest and thinking person knows that the current swing from 400 to 1000 milliamps comes from my Motor/Generator and the highest instant and coinciding VOLTAGE-RISE ON THE BATTERY PACK SO PROVES this fact. These observations should begin to help you understand why, in the early 1980s, Dr. Roger Hastings (after he had conducted numerous tests on my prototypes) said to me in frustration: "I am going to quit using the word 'EFFICIENCY', because how can you use such a term when you start off with NEGATIVE Power?" I told him to forget about it and rather choose to fully comprehend the scientific reality that we are converting mass to energy (via high efficiency of apr. 99.99999) in accordance with Einstein's principle of E = mc2. As Dr. Hastings began to understand the significance of this principle as it applies to electromagnetics, his frustration diminished and he had no difficulty in providing mathematical and testing analyses with respect to the technology. Proof: See the MinnKota Motor (representing stolen technology from myself) in which MinnKota Motor Corporation states in their OWN literature that their 3-HP Trolling Motor only draws 540 watts. Therein they are stating that the MinnKota Motor is more than 400% efficient. As you know, when I discovered this I publicized this fact on the internet and newsmedia as well as in the 8th Edition of my book and a VHS tape depicting the Motor's operation in which I tested the 41-lb Thrust MinnKota Motor in comparison to a 3 HP gasoline outboard motor. I demonstrated that the MinnKota Motor performed with the same output power as the gasoline motor and it only drew 540 watts. This 540 watts figure was exactly as MinnKota stated in their literature. It is no accident that the Director of Johnson Corporation [the parent company of MinnKota] is also the Director of Mobil Oil Corporation. The Johnson Corporation purchased MinnKota Corporation at the time that MinnKota was a small, family-owned company 60 miles south of Minneapolis, MN where Dr. Roger Hastings was employed with the (then) Sperry (Univac) Corporation as a Senior Physicist. It was soon after Dr. Hastings contacted MinnKota about utilizing my life's work and he became a consultant to MinnKota, that the Johnson Corporation purchased MinnKota. It is no accident that as soon as I publicized the information concerning the theft of my work by MinnKota Corporation that the company immediately began pulling the 41-lb Thrust Motor off the market - even though it was an very commercially successful product. If you can purchase a 41-Thrust Motor that has not been tampered with, then attach to its shaft a 5-inch diameter pulley with a rope looped over it and connected at both ends to a spring tension of approximately 11 lbs; also connect it to a charged deep cycle 12-volt battery with a Simpson 50 amp meter in the circuit (as well as utilize a Grainger tachometer, to obtain approximately 1200 rpms. [Make certain that the rope hangs straight down on both sides of the pulley to the spring so that the rope does not "squinch up" too tightly. The resulting efficiency equation is 2 x #(3.14) x lbs (ft.) x rpm and divided by 33,000 equals the horsepower. I performed this simple scientific test and obtained 768 watts out (on the shaft of the Motor) and 45 amps draw at 12 volts which equals only 540 watts input power, thus providing 142% (production) efficiency. Remember, the true power out on the Motor is computed as the losses in the Motor plus the power out on the shaft. During the test conducted, the Motor drew 45 amps. The heat loss of a Motor is computed as the current squared times resistance. Using a highly accurate Ohm meter, I tested the MinnKota Motor's resistance and it proved to be .5 ohms of resistance. 45 amps squared equals 2025 x .5 ohms which equals 1012 watts of heat loss in the Motor plus 768 watts out on the shaft equals 1,780.5 watts produced by the MinnKota Motor (which represents technology stolen from myself) with only 540 watts input power. As a results, this makes the MinnKota Motor (Newman Technology) more than 300% (production) efficient. As I have previously described in my published work, this occurs in accordance with E = mc^2. This was clearly understood by Dr. Roger Hastings during the years that he conducted extensive testing of numerous Newman Motor/Generators prototypes. Just as nonbelievers and liars attacked, ridiculed, and denied the success of Galileo's telescope, so can honest and sincere persons witness the same treatment concerning my life's work for humanity. All the above information (as well as what follows below), I have written for you the honest individual. The results of my life's work are already being produced and used: the MinnKota Motor is proof of this fact! Dishonest and lying individuals can be expected to attack my life's work. I only ask those sincere and intellectually honest individuals to BUILD THE TECHNOLOGY FOR YOURSELF! I sincerely invite you to construct your own prototypes which you are welcome to build for your own utilization and experimentation. If properly constructed according to the principles as described in my fundamental book, you will discover the same anomalies which I originally discovered years ago and which led me to the development of the Energy Machine prototypes. I am certain that a 400-lb production unit is ready to be mass-produced to provide electrical energy for a home. Larger units will be able to provide energy for your farms and businesses, and ultimately deserts can be transformed into oases and the pollution caused by other forms of energy production can be eliminated. The Power Brokers have intentionally kept me off the stock market so that you, the people, could not assist my company in raising the necessary capital to produce my life's work. At one time I was working closely with a financial consultant in New York who was endeavoring to secure a public placement of stock for the purpose of raising capital. This individual reported back to me in dismay, "Joe, the word has been put out on Wall Street NOT to assist you with capitalization of your company." In all his years as a financial consultant, he had never seen such concerted opposition to ANY efforts to raise capital via conventional stockmarket methods. Make no mistake about my position: What those who opposed my honest efforts to raise capital via the market were, in effect, saying is that: I WILL NOT SELL OUT THE PEOPLE OF THIS NATION AND THE WORLD - NOT FOR ANY AMOUNT OF MONEY I HAVE BEEN OFFERED, AS WELL AS THE FACT THAT MY LIFE HAS BEEN THREATENED IF I DID NOT SELL YOU OUT! My book also documents an offer of 214 million dollars from a Canadian Corporation which I rejected because it would have entailed my selling out my rights to this technology. As anyone knows who has followed my work in the past, I strongly believe in a concept of God. For most of my life I was an atheist. As a result of circumstances described in my book, I later changed my view and came to believe in God. As a matter of fact, most of the major scientists in history believed in a concept of a Diety. Some had very strong feelings in this regard and so expressed themselves - such as Isaac Newton, who even separately published his book on Theology. It is my personal and sincere belief that the God in which I have chosen to believe has provided me with a new direction for my technology for you and for all of humanity. During the concluding days of my week-long demonstration in Scottsdale, Arizona, several knowledgeable individuals have caringly expressed to me their belief that I should establish a Foundation for my work. As a result of their suggestions and input, that is exactly what I am now doing. And, in accordance with my personal and strong belief in a Diety (for which I do not apologize), I have entitled the name of this Foundation: "God's Free Energy - Fresh Water - and Clean Environment Foundation." It is my intent that the production of my life's work be accomplished by this newly-created nonprofit entity. I invite YOU - the people of the world who are caring and honest people and who are truly concerned about the future of our planet, as well as its quality of life for our children, our loved ones, and even the well-being of other species which inhabit planet earth with us - to give whatever amount you can afford - whatever it may be - to this worthy Foundation, for the benefit of humanity through the production of this technology. The intent of the nonprofit Foundation is to also provide you with a tax-deduction for whatever amount you can provide. The facts prove that I have given my life and will continue to do so. I invite you to join me in my FIGHT for you and all of humanity. Together we will succeed and I sincerely believe that God is with us! Your contribution to the Foundation can be sent to: God's Free Energy, Fresh Water, and Clean Environment Foundation at: 11259 E. Via Linda, #100/943 Scottsdale, Arizona 85259 Wishing good and sincere people a Happy New Year! [signed] Joseph Westley Newman (602) 657-3722 From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 31 12:07:56 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA23140; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 12:07:51 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 12:07:51 -0800 Message-ID: <19981231200859.10790.rocketmail@send104.yahoomail.com> Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 12:08:59 -0800 (PST) From: Jerry Wayne Decker Subject: Re: Press Release from Joseph Newman for 1/1/1999 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"pW1va1.0.Tf5.NczYs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8301 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Evan et al! You quoted Joes release which included this; > My book also documents an offer of 214 million > dollars from a Canadian Corporation which I > rejected because it would have entailed my selling > out my rights to this technology. I would jump on this offer. Sell the technology, put the money in trust and use the proceeds for other research. The technology would then be out there and in use, the inventor would be recompensed and could go on with his life. If there is concern the company was just wanting to buy out the rights to suppress it, then put it in the contract that the technology should be available in the form of publically available products within a stated period of time, otherwise, the company loses all monies and rights revert back to the inventor. 214 million invested at 10% interest would yield 21.4 million per year without touching the principal. Good lord, isn't that sufficient financial compensation?? Imagine all the other projects the inventor could sponsor with that kind of income... _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 31 12:33:39 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id MAA02780; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 12:33:35 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 12:33:35 -0800 Message-ID: <368BFAE0.772D144C@sunherald.infi.net> Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 14:29:52 -0800 From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Press Release from Joseph Newman for 1/1/1999 References: <27766-368BDD26-721@mailtod-171.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"-K2Cm.0.Lh.V-zYs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8303 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dennis Garrett wrote: > > did joe answer the three questions? No. Kyle R. Mcallister From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 31 14:45:55 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id OAA19079; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 14:45:51 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 14:45:51 -0800 Message-ID: <368BFF43.D9721364@ghiocel.com> Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 14:48:35 -0800 From: Dan Ghiocel Organization: Scott Electronic Services LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en]C-AtHome0404 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Press Release from Joseph Newman for 1/1/1999 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"jEH723.0.wf4.Uw_Ys"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8304 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Dear Evan, Is this some kind of New Year joke? I am reading this "Press Release to the World", and beyond all this egocentric blowing smoke statements, I do not find any useful information that relates to the discussions on this bulletin board. Are you two guys using these bulletin board just because nobody else is willing to put up with this arrogant attitude? I thought this was supposed to be a forum for an intelligent scientific and technical ideas exchange, not a platform where you two are taking the technically interested people for a ride. I think most of the members of this bulletin board are still sincerely waiting for answers regarding technical issues. The more I hear, the more suspicious your claims, look to me. Since I did not have the oportunity to evaluate the motor, the setup, and the measurement conditions, I cannot really say that the claims are false. But from the fragments and the commentaries, it looks there is a good reason behind your inability to provide answers to the technical questions. I hope my response does not upset you. I am just puzzled about this whole situation. I was looking forward to read the "Press release", but unfortunatley is totally empty. I am just interested in science and its technological application, while apparently you two are interested more in your place in the history of the world science. Happy New Year Dan Evan Soule wrote: > > Press Release from Joseph Newman for 1/1/1999 > > Newman Energy Technologies Corporation > 11445 East Via Linda, Suite 2416 > Scottsdale, Arizona 85259 * (602) 657-3722 > > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: JANUARY 1, 1999 > > To The People and Newsmedia of the World > and to quote the popular expression: > > "Dawning of the 'Age of Aquarius'" > > The Joseph Newman Energy Technology is coming forward rapidly. To all > the good and honest people I write to you: > > There are those who - through either ignorance or deliberate lying - tell > you the following incorrect information - > > 1. "That current flows from the Positive to the Negative side of the > battery, and so the Newman Energy Technology does not work as Joseph Newman > states." and, > > 2. "That Newman Energy Technology does not produce a true Back Spike of > Current." > > Both of the above statements are blatantly false! Such statements are > made by individuals wishing to confuse and confound your understanding of > my life's work for you and humanity. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 31 16:10:05 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA11502; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 16:09:57 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 16:09:57 -0800 Message-ID: <368C1309.68F@swbell.net> Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 18:12:57 -0600 From: nmb Reply-To: kbsdk@swbell.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-SBXA (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sales@newebpage.com, sales@tickethelp.com, rife-list@eskimo.com, freenrg-1@eskimo.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com, jdecker@keelynet.com, KeelyNet@DallasTexas.net CC: leapent@gte.net Subject: I need help Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"vSbaf.0.Up2.K91Zs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8305 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: RO X-Status: Hello Everyone, I have had enough of the police officers with their high tech radars and strategic locations on the road. Every little chance they get, they will try to pull you over to write you a traffic ticket just to meet a quota. Does anyone know how I can put together a radar transmission scrambler and a car coaking device. With this combination, I could scramble all police radar signaling and become virtually invisible while driving pass a police car. I guess I would also need an efficent way to police cars approaching. Please help me with this idea. Darryl From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 31 17:03:07 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA05268; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 17:03:00 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 17:03:00 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19981231201047.00c84100@cnct.com> X-Sender: knagel@cnct.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 20:10:50 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Keith Nagel Subject: Re: Notes...Dowsing... Circuit Searching project Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"BPBhx1.0.6I1.4x1Zs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8306 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: At 12:19 PM 12/31/98 -0500, you wrote: > I expect some readers to be disbelievers. That is OK. If you >ever have the opportunity to see a well controlled experiment, such as the >matter change experiments you will be glad you did. > To see a test tube full of water clamped onto ring stand and >instrumented solely with optics...CHANGE in some property... say surface >tension ... just by the intent and dowsing reflex of a dowser who does >NOT touch the set up.... and see this reproducibly ... well 'ya jest >ain't lived good yit' > > I am leaving out something important... but it will come to me >and when it does, I will post. > > JHS Well, that's pretty interesting JHS. I'm facinated by the notion of the surface tension meter. I'm imagining perhaps a light shining across a thin cappillary tube, like perhaps a thermometer? Or something where a laser shined off of a pool of mercury; say where the meniscus at the edge of the pool was maximal? Or maybe the color of a thin film of soap! Yup. Sounds intersting. So tell us more. K. From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 31 17:47:17 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA22371 for bilb@eskimo.com; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 17:47:15 -0800 Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 17:47:15 -0800 X-Envelope-From: gdilks@saber.net Thu Dec 31 17:47:13 1998 Received: from neti.saber.net (neti.saber.net [205.139.65.2]) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA22341; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 17:47:13 -0800 Received: from saber.net (s-s1-p1-6514.saber.net [205.139.65.14]) by neti.saber.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA03937; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 17:47:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <368C2959.E57D6E7A@saber.net> Old-Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 17:48:09 -0800 From: "Graham T. Dilks" Reply-To: gdilks@saber.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: kbsdk@swbell.net CC: sales@newebpage.com, sales@tickethelp.com, rife-list@eskimo.com, freenrg-1@eskimo.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com, jdecker@keelynet.com, KeelyNet@DallasTexas.net, leapent@gte.net Subject: Re: I need help References: <368C1309.68F@swbell.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Diagnostic: Not on the accept list X-Envelope-To: freenrg-l Status: O X-Status: This is just about the most irresponsible of request I have heard of in a long time . It is obvious by your comment that you are a possible menace on the road. Thank God! Law Enforcement has such tools. Without sounding like a preacher. Laws are made to preserve the common good of everyone............Incidentally what the heck does this have to do with Rife ???? Graham Dilks > Hello Everyone, > > I have had enough of the police officers with their high tech radars and > strategic locations on the road. Every little chance they get, they will > try to pull you over to write you a traffic ticket just to meet a quota. > Does anyone know how I can put together a radar transmission scrambler > and a car coaking device. With this combination, I could scramble all > police radar signaling and become virtually invisible while driving pass > a police car. I guess I would also need an efficent way to police cars > approaching. Please help me with this idea. > > Darryl From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 31 17:48:43 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id RAA22906; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 17:48:40 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 17:48:40 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: billb owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 17:48:38 -0800 (PST) From: William Beaty Reply-To: William Beaty To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Press Release from Joseph Newman for 1/1/1999 In-Reply-To: <27766-368BDD26-721@mailtod-171.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"ydCgx3.0.pb5.tb2Zs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8307 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: On Thu, 31 Dec 1998, Dennis Garrett wrote: > did joe answer the three questions? > he rambled on so much i couldn't tell. No capacitor value, and no details of his present circuit. It sounds like the long sparks are gone, but now there are loud ones. No input/output energy measurement, and no attainment of closed-loop operation. Perhaps the capacitor doesn't have a microfarad reading stamped upon it, and that's why Mr. Newman never mentions what it is. I've seen such things before, electrical installers need the KVAR, but don't use microfarads. There should be big spikes of power present, but no "current spikes". Inductors fight any changes of current. When an inductor circuit is broken, the SAME current keeps going right through the air across the switch. There is a voltage spike, and a power spike, but the waveform for current is expected to be smooth and spike-free. Which way does electric current REALLY go? That's an interesting question, more interesting than most people seem to think. See my little rant here: http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/amateur/elecdir.html ((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb@eskimo.com www.eskimo.com/~billb EE/programmer/sci-exhibits science projects, tesla, weird science Seattle, WA 206-781-3320 freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L webhead-L From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 31 18:42:14 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id SAA06257 for bilb@eskimo.com; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 18:42:13 -0800 Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 18:42:13 -0800 X-Envelope-From: bjs1779@theramp.net Thu Dec 31 18:42:11 1998 Received: from shirley.theramp.net (shirley.theramp.net [205.212.88.4]) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA06222; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 18:42:11 -0800 Received: from kato.theramp.net (56-ip-70.theramp.net [205.212.94.70]) by shirley.theramp.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA23654; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 20:41:59 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <368C37B3.316C@theramp.net> Old-Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 20:49:23 -0600 From: bjs1779 Reply-To: bjs1779@theramp.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gdilks@saber.net CC: kbsdk@swbell.net, sales@newebpage.com, sales@tickethelp.com, rife-list@eskimo.com, freenrg-1@eskimo.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com, jdecker@keelynet.com, KeelyNet@DallasTexas.net, leapent@gte.net Subject: Re: I need help References: <368C1309.68F@swbell.net> <368C2959.E57D6E7A@saber.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Diagnostic: Not on the accept list X-Envelope-To: freenrg-l Status: O X-Status: Graham T. Dilks wrote: > > This is just about the most irresponsible of request I have heard of in a > long time . It is obvious by your comment that you are a possible menace on > the road. Thank God! Law Enforcement has such tools. > > Without sounding like a preacher. Laws are made to preserve the common > good of everyone............Incidentally what the heck does this have to do > with Rife ???? > > Graham Dilks > > > Hello Everyone, > > > > I have had enough of the police officers with their high tech radars and > > strategic locations on the road. Every little chance they get, they will > > try to pull you over to write you a traffic ticket just to meet a quota. > > Does anyone know how I can put together a radar transmission scrambler > > and a car coaking device. With this combination, I could scramble all > > police radar signaling and become virtually invisible while driving pass > > a police car. I guess I would also need an efficent way to police cars > > approaching. Please help me with this idea. > > > > Darryl Without sounding like a preacher. Laws are made to preserve the common > good of everyone............Incidentally what the heck does this have to do > with Rife ???? > > Graham Dilks Maybe because Rife was outlawed? bjs From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 31 20:08:58 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA25825; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 20:08:54 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 20:08:54 -0800 Message-ID: <037801be353c$9f2eb1e0$578080d8@btech> From: "Bill Wallace`" To: Subject: Re: static charge Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 23:10:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"07jZN1.0.NJ6.Mf4Zs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8308 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: I am curious as to what geological formations on our planet cause areas of great static charge, ball lightning seems far more common over flat plains than high peaks, far more common near fault lines or earthquakes or volcanos than areas of low geologic stress, how does charge buildup compare to flat landmasses over the oceans. Where does the greatest natural electrical activity seem to happen over the planet and why? Any ideas? >> > >Not too long a go as I was searching for generators, From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 31 20:59:50 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA04280; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 20:59:43 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 20:59:43 -0800 Message-ID: <368C562E.4889C8AC@GroupZ.net> Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 23:59:26 -0500 From: sno X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: static charge References: <037801be353c$9f2eb1e0$578080d8@btech> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"RFq1T.0.n21._O5Zs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8309 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: Something curious I ran across, which may apply....I have a friend in Austalia who has a hobby of metal detecting, for gold nuggets...he claims that the backround noise, caused by mineralization where he detects...is much less immediately after thunder storms...(he has the nuggets to prove it ).....I have wondered if ball lightning might be caused by a static charge over a large area.....steve opelc Bill Wallace` wrote: > > I am curious as to what geological formations on our planet cause areas of > great static charge, ball lightning seems far more common over flat plains > than high peaks, far more common near fault lines or earthquakes or volcanos > than areas of low geologic stress, how does charge buildup compare to flat > landmasses over the oceans. Where does the greatest natural electrical > activity seem to happen over the planet and why? Any ideas? > > >> > >Not too long a go as I was searching for generators, From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Dec 31 23:31:26 1998 Received: (from smartlst@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id XAA01757; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 23:31:11 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 23:31:11 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19990101023857.00c82100@cnct.com> X-Sender: knagel@cnct.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 02:38:59 -0500 To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com From: Keith Nagel Subject: Re: Press Release from Joseph Newman for 1/1/1999 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"zOrec2.0.MR._c7Zs"@mx1> Resent-From: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Reply-To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8310 X-Loop: freenrg-l@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Status: O X-Status: In the fine tradition of that great american poet and idealist, William S. Burroughs; a cut-up of Joe Newman 1/1/99 MESSAGE TO THE WORLD! >There are those who - through either ignorance or deliberate lying - tell >you the following incorrect information - > Both of the above statements are blatantly false! Such statements are >made by individuals wishing to confuse and confound your understanding of >my life's work for you and humanity. Don't let anyone lie to you and tell you >otherwise. > This is a deliberate LIE! >has deliberately LIED to you, for the purpose of confusing you. > If they lie to you about the above, I hope you realize that they have >also lied to you when they attempt to deny the fact > Therefore, the honest and thinking person knows that > Just as nonbelievers and liars attacked, ridiculed, and denied the >success of Galileo's telescope, so can honest and sincere persons witness >the same treatment concerning my life's work for humanity. > Dishonest and lying individuals can be expected to attack my life's >work. > The Power Brokers have intentionally kept me off the stock market so >that you, the people, could not assist my company in raising the necessary >capital to produce my life's work. I >WILL NOT SELL OUT THE PEOPLE OF THIS NATION AND THE WORLD - NOT FOR ANY >AMOUNT OF MONEY I HAVE BEEN OFFERED, AS WELL AS THE FACT THAT MY LIFE HAS >BEEN THREATENED IF I DID NOT SELL YOU OUT! "olde" Reverend Joe? > As anyone knows who has followed my work in the past, I strongly believe >in a concept of God. > It is my personal and sincere belief that the God in which I have chosen >to believe has provided me with a new direction for my technology for you >and for all of humanity. During the concluding days of my week-long >demonstration in Scottsdale, Arizona, several knowledgeable individuals >have caringly expressed to me their belief that I should establish a >Foundation for my work. > > As a result of their suggestions and input, that is exactly what I am >now doing. And, in accordance with my personal and strong belief in a >Diety (for which I do not apologize), I have entitled the name of this >Foundation: "God's Free Energy - Fresh Water - and Clean Environment >Foundation." It is my intent that the production of my life's work be >accomplished by this newly-created nonprofit entity. I invite YOU - the >people of the world who are caring and honest people and who are truly >concerned about the future of our planet, as well as its quality of life >for our children, our loved ones, and even the well-being of other species >which inhabit planet earth with us - to give whatever amount you can afford >- whatever it may be - to this worthy Foundation, for the benefit of >humanity through the production of this technology. The intent of the >nonprofit Foundation is to also provide you with a tax-deduction for >whatever amount you can provide. > > The facts prove that I have given my life and will continue to do so. I >invite you to join me in my FIGHT for you and all of humanity. Together we >will succeed and I sincerely believe that God is with us! > I've been wanting to ask this question but didn't know how to phrase it. Where does the money go Evan? >Your contribution to the Foundation can be sent to: > >God's Free Energy, Fresh Water, >and Clean Environment Foundation >at: >11259 E. Via Linda, #100/943 >Scottsdale, Arizona 85259 OK, so I fibbed, I'm gonna ask again. >>>>>>>>>>>>>1) the measured voltage across the cap's terminals at breakdown. >>>>>>>>>>>>>2) the capacity in Farads. >>>>>>>3) how the elements in the circuit are connected. And yes, I'm fully aware of Joes number >(602) 657-3722 K.