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From: bernieS <ber..._at_netaxs.com>
Subject: RE: [TSCM-L] {5709} OnStar Tracking Continues Even After
Subscriptioin Cancellation (your every move)
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Since current OnStar transceivers are all Verizon CDMA, wouldn't a
court order go to Verizon instead of OnStar for geolocation
(tracking) data? For that matter, law-enforcement generally doesn't
even get (or think they need) a warrant to get mobile phone
geolocation data from a wireless carrier:
"Prosecutors and law enforcement have been getting judge approval,
but no warrant, in order to get GPS information from cell phone
companies on the location of
suspects."
http://www.experiencedcriminallawyers.com/court-limits-cell-phone-gps-tracking/
At 09:24 PM 10/3/2011, you wrote:
>Disconnect it.
>Onstar is nothing but a Verizon cdma tx blowing data back and forth along w
>audio.To date I have not observed a court order or warrant for any case
>where on star has complied to aid in a conviction of a crim offense or
>missing child.
>Onstar has been hardnosed on being compliant to those you would think have
>access to everything.
>The car stereo guys know how to work around onstar as onstar is tied into
>vehicle radio,and other features that some consumers do want.Onstar
>technology isn't rocket science.its one step above old dtmf/relay output
>technology.
>If anyone has any certified case data where onstar complied and their
>process/technology took someone down,let us know,or post the link to it.
>I had a 2002 tahoe where the onstar was almost useless because it didn't
>make the date for amp to cdma conversion,my 2005 although unsubscribed,can
>still work if I cough up money to run it.I prefer not,although onstar
>recently had a good deal going to get subscribers back that was hard to pass
>on.
>Some of the gps units out there today offer the same features as onstar
>including audio and outputs for relay triggering.To date we have not seen a
>driven GM product wrapped in tin foil,(even in TN)long live on
>star.............
>
>Mitch Davis
>TSCM/Special Operations Group Inc.
>20 Music Square West,Suite 208
>Nashville, TN. 37203 USA
>615.251.0441
>Fax 615.523.0300
>www.tscmusa.com
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: bernieS [mailto:ber..._at_netaxs.com]
>Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 1:47 PM
>To: tscm-..._at_googlegroups.com
>Subject: Re: [TSCM-L] {5694} OnStar Tracking Continues Even After
>Subscriptioin Cancellation (your every move)
>
>What's the best specific technique (besides
>contacting OnStar) for ensuring that a vehicle's
>OnStar radio transceiver cannot send data to
>OnStar? Short-circuit the RF/antenna
>connector? That technique might be the least
>disruptive the vehicle's internal data network.
>
>
>
>
>At 02:34 PM 10/3/2011, Roger wrote:
> >
> >
> >Technology Beck's OnStar Concerns Were Right -
> >Tracking Continues Even After Cancellation
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Two years ago, Media Matters mocked Glenn Beck
> >for his "conspiracy theory" that OnStar had too
> >much power with its ability to track cars,
> >listen to conversations and ultimately turn the
> >car off. Well, it looks like his concerns were
> >accurate, as GM has just made a major announcement about the GPS system.
> >Here's the video from Media Matters in 2009:
> ><http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/09/onstar-tracks-you/>Wired
> >now reports that even if you cancel your OnStar
> >service, you are still being tracked:
> >OnStar began e-mailing customers Monday about
> >its update to the privacy policy, which grants
> >OnStar the right to sell that GPS-derived data in an anonymized format.
> >Adam Denison, a spokesman for the General Motors
> >subsidiary, said OnStar does not currently sell
> >customer data, but it reserves that right. He
> >said both the new and old privacy policies allow
> >OnStar to chronicle a vehicle's every movement
> >and its speed, though it's not clear where that's stated in the old policy.
> >"What's changed [is that if] you want to cancel
> >your OnStar service, we are going to maintain a
> >two-way connection to your vehicle unless the
> >customer says otherwise," Denison said in a telephone interview.
> >The connection will continue, he said, to make
> >it "easier to re-enroll" in the program, which
> >charges plans from $19 to $29 monthly for help with navigation and
>emergencies.
> >
> ><http://www.theblaze.com/stories/onstar-announces-tracking-continues-even-a
>fter-cancellation/snapz-pro-xscreensnapz065-2/>
> >[]
> >
> >Continuing to collect information, Denison said,
> >makes it easier OnStar to provide information
> >for organizations that request it:
> >"We hear from organizations periodically requesting our information," he
>said.
> >He said an example of how the data might be used
> >would be for the Michigan Department of
> >Transportation "to get a feel for traffic usage
> >on a specific section of freeway." The policy
> >also allows the data to be used for marketing
> >purposes by OnStar and vehicle manufacturers.
> >Collecting location and speed data via GPS might
> >also create a treasure trove of data that could
> >be used in criminal and civil cases. One could
> >also imagine an eager police chief acquiring the
> >data to issue speeding tickets en masse.
> >
> >Wired notes that blogger and forensic scientist
> ><http://www.zdziarski.com/blog/>Jonathan
> >Zdziarski, who wrote about OnStar "spying on
> >customers" GPS location for profit" said he was
> >canceling his service and making sure he was
> >fully disconnected. He wrote, "When will our
> >congress pass legislation that stops the
> >American people's privacy from being raped by
> >large data warehousing interests? Companies like
> >OnStar, Google, Apple, and the other large
> >abusive data warehousing companies desperately need to be investigated."
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