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From: "TSCM/Special Ops Group Inc." <Mit..._at_tscmusa.com>
To: <TSCM-..._at_googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: [TSCM-L] {4006} Re: {3948} Re: TSCM-L list spamming
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I just wanted to say thanks to all contributors of all posts.even if some
categorize it as spam
Most of us can read faster than one can talk so please keep contributing,
its simple to filter or absorb.
there is so much to learn involving countermeasures that not one school,book
or person could ever "know all" ( except for marty,saul and ray) (kidding)
Many of us have paid our dues,and have been paid to do.Learning is a curve
not a box.A baby monitor can be as effective as a top of the line "only 2
built ever" device.while many may argue this the devices are at
work.Thinking outside of the norm is OK.
please keep feeding the list i truly enjoy it.
tip of the week: learn how a parasite works,what it's true capabilities
are,and how to implement or install it, so it will work.This knowledge makes
it so much easier to find,expecially if all you have is a flashlight and a
ladder.Ask any orkin man......
Mitch Davis
TSCM/Special Operations Group Inc.
20 Music Square West,Suite 208
Nashville,TN. 37203
Mail to:M..._at_tscmusa.com
Website www.tscmusa.com
(615) 251 0441
fax (615) 523 0300
"Maintaining a higher degree of excellence"
*******************************************
Tools for investigators at: covertworx.com
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From: TSCM-..._at_googlegroups.com [mailto:TSCM-..._at_googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Its from Onion
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 10:01 PM
To: TSCM-..._at_googlegroups.com
Subject: [TSCM-L] {4006} Re: {3948} Re: TSCM-L list spamming
So true. This list is a diverse group of people. Sometimes you have to ask
specific questions
and off list if needed.
A spect mon is just a tool. You will see them everywhere. Some folks use
them more and
with greater skill than others.
Trust me, like in machine shop you best friends are a scale and file, in
TSCM your best friends are
knee pads and a flashlight.
True bug hunting is a lot of crawling around in places the cleaning crew
don't go. Your looking to see first
if someone has been there first and what they left.
A trained eye can tell a lot about a room. Is that fire extinguisher hose
out of place, because that is
a great place for a bug.
Anyway..... ya got 2 ears and 1 mouth for a reason. Listen, listen, listen
and think before you ask.
hope this helped,
Onion
----- Original Message -----
From: Dotzero <mailto:dot..._at_gmail.com>
To: TSCM-..._at_googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 4:30 PM
Subject: [TSCM-L] {4004} Re: {3948} Re: TSCM-L list spamming
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 3:24 PM, urbanreef<urban..._at_googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi scorpion
> I have to agree whole heartily with you
> I don't even know where I stand in the TSCM social classes I own a fair
> amount of equipment
> From REI and audiotel when I have asked this list to share finds but they
> hide behind stories of
> We can't divulge etc I actually doubt if they have any decent finds.
> I am all for a forum and would help in putting one together where only
TSCM
> engineers can join
> We have to prove we are a company or work for a company so it is only true
> TSCM engineers and not
> Guys who plant stuff looking at our methods'.
> This way we should be sharing how a device was found or any new devices
> available
> Not showing links for crappy recorder pens that have been out for ages all
> we have to do is
> Type in spy device of eBay if want to see this crap I'm talking about
> modified equipment
> Fibre optic mikes stuff what is difficult to find showing what a new burst
> transmitter looked like on an oscor
> Or spectrum analyzer swapping friendly signals for the oscor sharing new
> techniques for finding devices on digital
> Phone lines.
> Why aren't we sharing I thought the only way to learn is to teach
> Who is up for proper technique sharing and swapping technical methods' of
> surveillance are growing
> Detectives are getting lazy and technical stuff is getting cheaper I would
> love to hear every one on the list view on this matter
> Regards
> Ian
> www.technicalprotection.co.uk
>
>
>
urbanreef, I can understand the frustration you express but I think
your definition of TSCM is fairly narrow.
While I find information about bug sweeps and spectrum interesting, my
personal focus in TSCM is more in the TCP/IP space (including VOIP and
wireless). I work client side but have worked with LEOs, trained with
them and have provided training in this space including incident
response.
If you restrict your interactions to only people who can use a
spectrum analyzer and can present a business card from a "known" TSCM
provider you may be doing yourself a disservice.
Just my 2 cents.
Just my 2 cents.
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<DIV><BR></DIV><BR>On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 3:24 PM, urbanreef<<A=20
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href=3D"mailto:urban..._at_googlemail.com">urban..._at_googlemail.com</A>>=
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asked this list to share finds but they<BR>> hide behind stories of<BR=
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We can't divulge etc I actually doubt if they have any decent finds.<BR>&=
gt; I=20
am all for a forum and would help in putting one together where only=20
TSCM<BR>> engineers can join<BR>> We have to prove we are a company=
or=20
work for a company so it is only true<BR>> TSCM engineers and not<BR>&=
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Guys who plant stuff looking at our methods'.<BR>> This way we should =
be=20
sharing how a device was found or any new devices<BR>> available<BR>&g=
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Not showing links for crappy recorder pens that have been out for ages=20
all<BR>> we have to do is<BR>> Type in spy device of eBay if want t=
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this crap I'm talking about<BR>> modified equipment<BR>> Fibre opti=
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mikes stuff what is difficult to find showing what a new burst<BR>>=20
transmitter looked like on an oscor<BR>> Or spectrum analyzer swapping=
=20
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=20
devices on digital<BR>> Phone lines.<BR>> Why aren't we sharing I=
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growing<BR>> Detectives are getting lazy and technical stuff is gettin=
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my 2 cents.<BR><BR>Just my 2=20
cents.<BR><BR<BR>
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