phones in the fridge from Rob Hommel on 2008-08-25 (file.mbox)

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I agree! Thanks

From: TSCM-..._at_googlegroups.com [mailto:TSCM-..._at_googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Its from Onion
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 2:02 PM
To: TSCM-..._at_googlegroups.com
Subject: [TSCM-L] {2925} Re: phones in the fridge

If your going to court with this my thoughts are that it would be
inadmissible. Reason being it is hearsay, to say the least.

That being said, if your looking for a way TO DO this, ya might need to pa=
y
someone that can deliver the expertise.

Otherwise I would think the correct technical term would be, "SOL".

IMHO

Onion

----- Original Message -----

From: Perry Myers <mailto:pe..._at_detectiveservices.com>

To: TSCM-..._at_googlegroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 4:09 PM

Subject: [TSCM-L] {2920} Re: phones in the fridge

Clarifying what happened is the following:

· Son and father talked using cell phones. 3rd party showed (did
not deliver) a transcript of conversation that appeared to be an accurate
portrayal of the conversation.

· The transcript was not left and the 3rd party will deny this in=
a
court of law. But since there is no physical evidence which we would need
to take to court, there will be no court until we get evidence.

· Father and son assumed they were recorded which as far as I kno=
w
is illegal in all states since the person who recorded was not a party to
the conversation.

· Not sure how bright the client is but they need evidence for an=
y
action. 3rd party is not in country although that part we would have
covered.

· We need help or ideas on the evidence.

· Lastly, I learned that the original phone we believe may have b=
een
compromised is lost. Any modifications to it are not traceable now so we
either need evidence from the cell phone company records if there in fact
would be any trace evidence left there or we are out of luck.

Thanks for any help in this matter.

Perry Myers, CFE

President

Myers Services, Inc. DBA

MSI Detective Services

2406 W Fullerton Ave

Chicago, IL 60647

pe..._at_detectiveservices.com

WWW.DETECTIVESERVICES.COM

(773) 404-7400 x 200

From: TSCM-..._at_googlegroups.com [mailto:TSCM-..._at_googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Marc DeRodes
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 11:26 PM
To: TSCM-..._at_googlegroups.com
Subject: [TSCM-L] {2918} Re: phones in the fridge

--- On Wed, 9/3/08, Perry Myers, CFE <pe..._at_detectiveservices.com> wrote:

From: Perry Myers, CFE <pe..._at_detectiveservices.com>
Subject: [TSCM-L] {2874} Re: phones in the fridge
To: TSCM-..._at_googlegroups.com
Date: Wednesday, September 3, 2008, 12:01 PM

I got a call today from a respected (so far) business person who said he wa=
s
shown transcripts of conversations he had on his cell phone with another
person. I won?t share the details of the reason for the alleged cell phone
intercept but it was done according to my contact. Both sides of the
conversation were recorded so this was not a simple hidden recorder in the
car. My question is, any ideas on how we can prove this happened?

If you have a written transcript, that would be a good place to start. The
person who delivered it could be forced to testify as to its origins, or
could provide information the next link in the chain.

If this was a clone, is there a place in the Cell Provider?s records that
may indicate a duplicate Cell phone ID number was linking to their system a=
t
the same time? Any little evidence may help.

 As so many others have said, recording a phone call from both sides is
simple. Not only does software exist for certain phones to record both side=
s
of a conversation, bit Radio Shack also sells a very inexpensive device tha=
t
allows virtually any cell phone to be connected to a recorder.

The other person?s cell phone that was involved in this recorded
conversation was available to the suspected perpetrators so that they could
have done anything they wanted to that phone. But my contact always had hi=
s
phone in his possession.

Your contact isn't too bright, is he or she? To tell you the truth, I doubt
that anything illegal or covert was done to this persons phone. In many
states of the US, it is perfectly legal to record conversations without
informing the person being recorded. The first thing I would check into is
the legality of such actions in the state that you reside.

Any advice of what to do to prove this through subpoena is appreciated.

Once again, the person who delivered the transcript should be questioned as
to its origins.

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I agree! Thanks<o:p></o:p>

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From:
TSCM-..._at_googlegroups.com [mailto:TSCM-..._at_googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Its from Onion 
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 2:02 PM 
To: TSCM-..._at_googlegroups.com 
Subject: [TSCM-L] {2925} Re: phones in the fridge<o:p></o:p><=
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If your going to court with this my thoughts are that it would=
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inadmissible.  Reason being it is hearsay, to say the least.<o:p></o:p=
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 <o:p></o:p>

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That being said, if your looking for a way TO DO this, &n=
bsp;ya
might need to pay someone that can deliver the expertise.<o:p></o:p>=


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 <o:p></o:p>

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Otherwise I would think the correct technical term would be,
"SOL".<o:p></o:p>

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IMHO<o:p></o:p>

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Onion <o:p></o:p>

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From: <a href="mailto:pe..._at_detectiveservices.com"
title="mailto:pe..._at_detectiveservices.com">Perry Myers</a> <o:p></o:p></s=
pan>

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To: <a href="mailto:TSCM-..._at_googlegroups.com"
title="mailto:TSCM-..._at_googlegroups.com">TSCM-..._at_googlegroups.com</a> <o=
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Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 4:09 PM<o:p></o:p>

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Subject: [TSCM-L] {2920} Re: phones in the fridge<o:p></o:p></p=
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Clarifying what happened is the following:<o:p></o:p>

·         <spa=
n
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'=
>Son
and father talked using cell phones.  3rd party showed (did=
not
deliver) a transcript of conversation that appeared to be an accurate portr=
ayal
of the conversation.<o:p></o:p></=
p>

·         <spa=
n
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'=
>The
transcript was not left and the 3rd party will deny this in a co=
urt
of law.  But since there is no physical evidence which we would need t=
o
take to court, there will be no court until we get evidence.  <=
span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p>

·         <spa=
n
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'=
>Father
and son assumed they were recorded which as far as I know is illegal in all
states since the person who recorded was not a party to the conversation.</=
span><o:p></o:p>

·         <spa=
n
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'=
>Not
sure how bright the client is but they need evidence for any action.  =
3rd
party is not in country although that part we would have covered.  </s=
pan><o:p></o:p>

·         <spa=
n
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'=
>We
need help or ideas on the evidence.<o:p>=
</o:p>

·         <spa=
n
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'=
>Lastly,
I learned that the original phone we believe may have been compromised is
lost.  Any modifications to it are not traceable now so we either need
evidence from the cell phone company records if there in fact would be any
trace evidence left there or we are out of luck.  <o:p></o:p>

Thanks for any help in this matter.  <o:p></o:p>

 <o:p></o:p><=
/p>

Perry Myers, CFE<o:p></o:=
p>

President<o:p></o:p></spa=
n>

Myers Services, Inc. DBA<=
o:p></o:p>

MSI Detective Services<o:=
p></o:p>

2406 W Fullerton Ave<o:p>=
</o:p>

Chicago, IL 60647<o:p></o=
:p>

pe..._at_detectiveservices.com<o:p></o:p>

WWW.DETECTIVESERVICES.COM=
<o:p></o:p>

(773) 404-7400 x 200<o:p>=
</o:p>

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From: TSCM-..._at_googlegroups.com [mailto:TSCM-..._at_googlegroups.com] =
On
Behalf Of Marc DeRodes 
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 11:26 PM 
To: TSCM-..._at_googlegroups.com 
Subject: [TSCM-L] {2918} Re: phones in the fridge<o:p></o:p>

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 --- On Wed, 9/3/08, Perry Myers, CFE <p..._at_detectiveservices.com=
>
 wrote:<o:p></o:p>
 From: Perry Myers, CF=
E
 <p..._at_detectiveservices.com> 
 Subject: [TSCM-L] {2874} Re: phones in the fridge 
 To: TSCM-..._at_googlegroups.com 
 Date: Wednesday, September 3, 2008, 12:01 PM<o:p></o:p>
 <div id=yiv1749764993>
 I
 got a call today from a respected (so far) business person who said he wa=
s
 shown transcripts of conversations he had on his cell phone with another
 person.  I won¢t
 share the details of the reason for the alleged cell phone intercept but =
it
 was done according to my contact.  Both sides of the conversation we=
re
 recorded so this was not a simple hidden recorder in the car.  My
 question is,
 any ideas on how we can prove this happened?  
 
 
 If you have a written transcript, that would be a good place to start. Th=
e
 person who delivered it could be forced to testify as to its origins, or
 could provide information the next link in the chain. 
 
 
 If this was a clone, is there a place in the Cell Provider¢s records=
that
 may indicate a duplicate Cell phone ID number was linking to their system=
at
 the same time?  Any little evidence may help. 
 
   As so many others have said, recording a phone call fro<spa=
n
 style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>m both sides=
is
 simple. Not only does software exist for certain phones to record both si=
des
 of a conversation, bit Radio Shack also sells a very inexpensive device t=
hat
 allows virtually any cell phone to be connected to a recorder. 
 
 The other person¢s
 cell
 phone that was involved in this recorded conversation was available to th=
e
 suspected perpetrators so that they could have done anything they wanted =
to
 that phone.  But my contact always had his phone in his
 possession.  
 
 Your contact isn't too bright, is he or she? To tell you the truth, I dou=
bt
 that anything illegal or covert was done to this persons phone. In many
 states of the US, it is perfectly legal to record conversations without
 informing the person being recorded. The first thing I would check into i=
s
 the legality of such actions in the state that you reside.  
 
 Any advice of what to do to prove this through subpoena is appreciated.&n=
bsp;
 
 
 Once again, the person who delivered the transcript should be questioned =
as
 to its origins.<o:p></o:p>
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