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<html><div style='background-color:'>Update from New York Times of September 14/06
Part 1 of 2 Parts
"TINY FIRM'S H.P. LINK SCRUTINIZED
By Matt Richtel & Damon Darlin
SAN FRANCISCO, Sept. 13 - California prosecutors looking into the Hewlett-Packard spying case are focusing in part on a small private investigation firm in suburban Boston, operating out of a yellow house with black shutters in a quiet neighborhood.
How such a tiny firm ended up handling work for HP, one of the largest technology companies in  the world, as it tried to find out who had leaked company secrets is not clear. But other private investigators said on Wednesday that the situation was not surprising, because corporations in need of such services often end up relying on a chain of subcontractors.
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It is common practice for a company's head of security, its general counsel or its outside law firm to hire a security consulting firm, which ofter hires smaller firms, like the one prosecutors say was involved in this case, Security Outsourcing Solutions in Needham, Mass.
Those firms then hire freelance investigators to do work like surveillance or the acquisition of phone records.
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The small firms provide skills that larger firms may not have, but they also offer another benefit. Using middlemen can insulate the company that has ordered the investigation from any shadowy activities, private investigators said.
'I'd be dumbfounded if you could find a corporation the size of HP that turned directly to the pretexter,' said Rod Douglas, an information security consultant who has testified to Congress about illicit tactics used to obtain telephone records. He added that these investigations 'have middlemen and are layered.'
Mr. Douglas said it was not clear whether the layering in this case was intended as a way to shield company executives, or was just the way the process worked, with one step leading to another until a specailist in obtaining phone records was needed.
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People who were briefed on details of the company's internal investigation have said that Security Outsourcing Solutions, which is run by Ronald R. DeLia, was one company involved.
But others who are investigating the company's actions said Wednesday that there were most likely other firms involved. Security Outsourcing acts as a kind of temporary employment agency and rounds up people who can do a particular job, so it is likely that those who got access to the phone records were subcontractors. Legal filings in the California attorney general's investigation show that one of the pretexters gained access to a phone company Web site using Internet service from Cox Communications, a cable company that does not operate in Boston.
State investigators have not said if there were any other middlemen involved. Several private investigators said one reason to think Security Outsourcing had help was that whoever did the actual work of oubtaining phone records of the HP board members and journalists had their Social Security numbers.
Attempts to contact Security Outsourcing on Wednesday by phone and e-mail and in person failed. No one answered the door at Mr. DeLia's residence in Needham, a large home on a tree-lined street.
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End of Part 1 of 2 parts. 
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From: kondrak <ko..._at_phreaker.net> Reply-To: TSCM-..._at_googlegroups.com To: TSCM-..._at_googlegroups.com Subject: [TSCM-L] Re: Intrigue in High Places Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 23:15:04 -0400 I see in todays news, the California AG says he's ready to prosecute! At 14:17 9/13/2006, you wrote: 
<BLOCKQUOTE class=cite cite="">Ron at SOS doesn't do this kind of work, and is more of a physical security fellow who brings in contractors, specialists, locksmiths, etc. I strongly doubt he would touch the HP case with a proverbial ten-foot-pole. -jma At 10:24 AM 9/13/2006, Reginald Curtis wrote: 
<BLOCKQUOTE class=cite cite="">An update from the New York Times of Sepember 13/06 1. Bill Lockyer, the California attorney general, stated that after examining the case, the department had "enough information to indict people inside H.P. and outside." 2. The investigation carried out by Hewlett-Packard's private detectives appears to have included active surveillance and the review of videos to see if board members were meeting with reporters. 3. A Massachusetts company, Security Outsourcing Solutions, was a contractor hired to find the source of the internal leaks. Apparently the p.i. firm is not taking calls. The End. Reg Curtis/VE9RWC
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<DD>Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 17:47:10 -0400 
<DD>Has anyone checked Anthony Pellicano's jail cell lately???
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<DD><A href="http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0206061pell1.html">http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0206061pell1.html</A>
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<DD>Has anyone heard who HP hired to do this job.
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<DD>I'm somewhat surprised that a "major" would take this on.
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