RE: [TSCM-L] {5918} Well Aint that a Bitch from Ryk Edelstein on 2011-12-23 (file.mbox)

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Subject: Re: [TSCM-L] {5938} Well Aint that a Bitch
From: Humberto Sodre <hrs..._at_gmail.com>
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Correct, the document name is "End User Letter", I saw several of them
being charged
to customers. I was surprised to learn that this is happening, but I
appreciate your explanation and I will inform the local distributor so that
it takes knowledge and action.
Finally one last question: when obtained, the "End User License" is sent to
the user or is it just an internal document of the U.S. State Department?
Humberto Rigotti

2011/12/23 James M. Atkinson <jm..._at_tscm.com>

> **
> The document that you are referring to is called an "End User Letter" or
> "End User Certificate" and it is this letter that the exporter must provi=
de
> to the U.S. State Department in order to obtain an actual "End User Licen=
se"
>
> The problem is that non of these "End User Letters" or "End User
> Certificates" where actually being provided to the U.S. State Department =
to
> obtain the required End User Licenses, and the goods were being unlawfull=
y
> exported, and in turn unlawfully imported into the respective country.
>
> The exporter was not actually filing to obtain the proper licenses, but
> was actually making people provide "End User Letters" and "End User
> Certificates" that they were not actually using to get the required expor=
t
> licenses.
>
> The U.S. Government has to publish these sales in the Federal Register,
> and they have an office at the U.S. State Department that tracks the
> license requests, and prepares the reports. The problems is that the
> reports published in the Federal Register, and the reports provided to
> Congress show that no exports, for many years was actually done legally.
>
> Further, so careful queries reveal that all of the exports were illegal.
>
> -jma
>
>
>
> Humberto Sodre wrote:
>
> James,
>
> I wondered when you said in your first email that *"According this
> published report, there has Been exactly ZERO Legal exports of TSCM
> equipment out of the United States in the past six month ... ZERO.**", *
> because only this year several TSCM equipments were exported to
> government agencies in the area of =E2=80=8B=E2=80=8Bsecurity, who signed=
in advance a document
> addressed to the U.S. Government providing all their data and pledging no=
t to
> use the equipment improperly or passes it to third parties. Only after
> carrying out this paperwork the export was released then the U.S.
> government must be aware of these exports and I do not understand why it
> is said that there was no legal export this year!
>
> Forgive me James and all of you on the list but maybe my little knowledge
> of English does not allow me to understand what you are saying, but I
> think that there is any contradiction in this whole story.
>
> A happy Christmas and a Happy New Year to all.
> Humberto Rigotti
>
> 2011/12/23 James M. Atkinson <jm..._at_tscm.com>
>
>> Pay close attention to 22 CFR 121.1 XI(b)
>>
>> It forbids the export of TSCM unless there is a license.
>>
>> -jma
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Larry Brower wrote:
>>
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>> On 12/23/2011 05:14 PM, secs..._at_gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>
>> Maybe when all the people who beleived REI start getting in trouble
>> because REI gets in serious serious trouble then your position will chan=
ge;)
>> Ask REI how many lawsuits are on them now:)
>>
>> Sent from my EVIL iPhone
>>
>>
>> Perhaps you'll want to review this as well?
>> http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=3Decfr&rgn=3Ddiv5&view=
=3Dtext&node=3D22:1.0.1.13.60&idno=3D22
>>
>>
>> Why do people always try to use what a company says as an excuse?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> - --
>>
>>
>>
>> Larry Brower, CCENT
>>
>> Fedora Ambassador - North America
>> Fedora Quality Assurancelbrower_at_fedoraproject.orghttp://www.fedoraprojec=
t.org/
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>>
>> --
>> James M. Atkinson
>> President and Sr. Engineer
>> "Leonardo da Vinci of Bug Sweeps and Spy Hunting"http://www.linkedin.com=
/profile/view?id=3D15178662
>> Granite Island Groupjmatk_at_tscm.comhttp://www.tscm.com/(978) 546-3803
>>
>>
>
> --
> James M. Atkinson
> President and Sr. Engineer
> "Leonardo da Vinci of Bug Sweeps and Spy Hunting"http://www.linkedin.com/=
profile/view?id=3D15178662
> Granite Island Groupjmatk_at_tscm.comhttp://www.tscm.com/(978) 546-3803
>
>

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<div>Correct, the document name is "End <spa=
n class=3D"hps">User Letter", =
I saw several of them=
being charged to cus=
tomers. I was surprised to learn that this is happening,=
 but I appreciate your explanation and I will inform the local distributor so that it takes knowledge and</span=
> action. 
Finally one last question: when obt=
ained, the "End User License" is =
sent to the user or is it just an internal document of the U.S. State Department? 
Humberto Rigotti </div><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2011/12/23 James M=
. Atkinson <<a href=3D"mailto:jm..._at_tscm.com">jm..._at_ts=
cm.com</a>> <blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padd=
ing-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;borde=
r-left-style:solid" class=3D"gmail_quote">


<div text=3D"#000000" bgcolor=3D"#ffffff">
The document that you are referring to is called an "End User Letter&q=
uot;
or "End User Certificate" and it is this letter that the exporter=
must
provide to the U.S. State Department in order to obtain an actual "End
User License" 
 
The problem is that non of these "End User Letters" or "End =
User
Certificates" where actually being provided to the U.S. State
Department to obtain the required End User Licenses, and the goods were
being unlawfully exported, and in turn unlawfully imported into the
respective country. 
 
The exporter was not actually filing to obtain the proper licenses, but
was actually making people provide "End User Letters" and "E=
nd User
Certificates" that they were not actually using to get the required
export licenses. 
 
The U.S. Government has to publish these sales in the Federal Register,
and they have an office at the U.S. State Department that tracks the
license requests, and prepares the reports. The problems is that the
reports published in the Federal Register, and the reports provided to
Congress show that no exports, for many years was actually done legally.<br=
>
 
Further, so careful queries reveal that all of the exports were illegal.<br=
>
 
-jma 
 
 
 
Humberto Sodre wrote:
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
 <div>James, </div>
 <div>=C2=A0</div>
 <div>I wondered when you sai=
d in your first email that <s=
trong>"According
 this published report,</span=
> there
 has Been exactly ZERO=
Legal exports of TSCM =
equipment
 out of the United States
 in the past six month=
... ZERO.&qu=
ot;,=C2=A0because
only this year=C2=A0several TSCM
equipments were exported
 to government agencies in
the area of =E2=80=8B=E2=80=8Bsecurity, who signe=
d in advance a document addressed to=C2=A0=
the U.S.
Government providing all
their data and pledging
 not to use the equipment
 improperly or passes it to t=
hird parties.
 Only after
carrying out this paperwork=C2=A0the=
export was released then the=
U.S. government must be aware <span=
>of these exports and I do not understand why</sp=
an>=C2=A0it is said=C2=A0that there was no
 legal export this year!</div>
 
 <div> 
 Forgive me
 James and all of you
 on the list but maybe
my little knowledge of English does =
not allow me to understand what
 you=C2=A0are saying,
 but I think that there
 is any contradiction
 in this whole story.=
</div>
 <div> 
 A happy Christmas and
 a Happy New Year to all.</div>
 <div>Humberto Rigotti 
 
 </div>
 <div class=3D"gmail_quote">2011/12/23 James M. Atkinson <<a href=3D"mailto:jm..._at_tscm.com" target=3D"_blank">jm..._at_tscm.com</a>=
> 
 <blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-lef=
t-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid" cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote">
 <div text=3D"#000000" bgcolor=3D"#ffffff">Pay close attention to 22 CFR
121.1 XI(b) 
 
It forbids the export of TSCM unless there is a license. 
 
-jma 
 
 
 
 
Larry Brower wrote:
 <blockquote type=3D"cite">
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On 12/23/2011 05:14 PM, <a href=3D"mailto:secs..._at_gmail.com" target=3D"_bla=
nk">secs..._at_gmail.com</a> wrote:
 </pre>
 <blockquote type=3D"cite">
 <pre>Maybe when all the people who beleived REI start getting in tr=
ouble
because REI gets in serious serious trouble then your position will change;=
)
Ask REI how many lawsuits are on them now:)

Sent from my EVIL iPhone
 </pre>
 </blockquote>
 <pre>Perhaps you'll want to review this as well?

<a href=3D"http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=3Decfr&rgn=
=3Ddiv5&view=3Dtext&node=3D22:1.0.1.13.60&idno=3D22" target=3D"=
_blank">http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=3Decfr&rgn=3Ddi=
v5&view=3Dtext&node=3D22:1.0.1.13.60&idno=3D22</a>

Why do people always try to use what a company says as an excuse?

- --=20

Larry Brower, CCENT

Fedora Ambassador - North America
Fedora Quality Assurance
<a href=3D"mailto:lbr..._at_fedoraproject.org" target=3D"_blank">lbr..._at_fedora=
project.org</a>
<a href=3D"http://www.fedoraproject.org/" target=3D"_blank">http://www.fedo=
raproject.org/</a>
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James M. Atkinson
President and Sr. Engineer
"Leonardo da Vinci of Bug Sweeps and Spy Hunting"
<a href=3D"http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=3D15178662" target=3D"_b=
lank">http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=3D15178662</a>
Granite Island Group
<a href=3D"mailto:jm..._at_tscm.com" target=3D"_blank">jm..._at_tscm.com</a>
<a href=3D"http://www.tscm.com/" target=3D"_blank">http://www.tscm.com/</a>
<a href=3D"tel:%28978%29%20546-3803" target=3D"_blank" value=3D"+5597854638=
03">(978) 546-3803</a>
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James M. Atkinson
President and Sr. Engineer
"Leonardo da Vinci of Bug Sweeps and Spy Hunting"
<a href=3D"http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=3D15178662" target=3D"_b=
lank">http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=3D15178662</a>
Granite Island Group
<a href=3D"mailto:jm..._at_tscm.com" target=3D"_blank">jm..._at_tscm.com</a>
<a href=3D"http://www.tscm.com/" target=3D"_blank">http://www.tscm.com/</a>
<a href=3D"tel:%28978%29%20546-3803" target=3D"_blank" value=3D"+5597854638=
03">(978) 546-3803</a>
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