Re: [TSCM-L] {1662} Re: Query on Suitland Maryland Facility from John Young on 2007-05-29 (file.mbox)

From: John Young <j..._at_pipeline.com>
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 05:57:13 -0400

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From: "don gibson" <linkinves..._at_googlemail.com>
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Re Infrared Transmitters, thank you to all that have replied, it does look
as though not many IR devices are used.

On 5/26/07, James Greenwold <b..._at_charter.net> wrote:
>
> I guess I have to ask why that would be. Is there some advantage to have
> considerably (500 times) less amplification of light?
>
> I look at it as a worse case IR laser being used. If you are not in a
> direct line you may not see it with Gen 1. With Gen 3 + you can see the
> scatter as it passess through a window.
>
> Please explain.
>
> --
>
> Thank you for your time
>
> James Greenwold
> Bureau Of Technical Services
> 715-726-1400
>
> b..._at_tacticalsurveillance.com
>
>
> *From: *"taylo..._at_yahoo.com" <taylo..._at_yahoo.com>
>
> *Reply-To: *TSCM-..._at_googlegroups.com
> *Date: *Sat, 26 May 2007 10:15:13 -0700 (PDT)
> *To: *TSCM-..._at_googlegroups.com
> *Subject: *[TSCM-L] {1656} Re: Infrared transmitters
>
>
> james,
>
>
>
> next time try gen 1 night vision works much better than gen 3 for ir
> search
>
> *John Papaleo <jpap..._at_nyaes.com>* wrote:
>
>
> v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:*
> {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape
> {behavior:url(#default#VML);} st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) }
>
>
> We had about 45 minutes of audio on the recorder but it was mostly the car
> radio. The device was set up to be voice activated so the radio turned it on
> whenever it (the radio) was turned on. We did not have the IR transceiver so
> I of course could not do the download myself. I backtracked to the
> manufacturer who claimed it could be downloaded in a minute or so. I did not
> do an IR scan because it was a vehicle and I did not suspect an IR device in
> that environment, live and learn I guess. We did find it on the physical
> search however. These things are available from various manufacturers.
>
>
>
> John
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
>
>
>
> *From:* TSCM-..._at_googlegroups.com [mailto:TSCM-..._at_googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *James Greenwold
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 24, 2007 10:32 AM
> *To:* TSCM-..._at_googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* [TSCM-L] {1648} Re: Infrared transmitters
>
>
>
> Part of my procedure is to take a walk aroud the facility and look for IR
> with Gen 3 night vision. IR comes across like a flashlight and is easy to
> see.
>
> If there was a recording (audio) from a vehicle for a day or even a few
> hours, how long would it take to download the data using light? It would
> seem that you might have to wait for stalled traffic.
> --
>
> James Greenwold
> Bureau Of Technical Services
> 715-726-1400
>
> b..._at_tacticalsurveillance.com
>
>
> *From: *"JPapaleo" <JPap..._at_nyc.rr.com>
>
> *Reply-To: *TSCM-..._at_googlegroups.com
> *Date: *Wed, 23 May 2007 15:10:47 -0500
> *To: *<TSCM-..._at_googlegroups.com>
> *Subject: *[TSCM-L] {1645} Re: Infrared transmitters
>
>
>
>
>
> I found a digital audio recorder that was placed in the rear taillight
> assembly of a vehicle in which the output of the recorder was sent to an IR
> transmitter, also in the assembly, allowing the recorder to be downloaded
> via the IR link. The device help four hours of talk and could download in
> under a minute. Sp all you had to do was pull up behind the vehicle with the
> device at a stop light and you would have your remote audio with no RF
> involved at all. We can talk more off-line unless someone else is
> interested.
>
> john
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* don gibson <mailto:linkinves..._at_googlemail.com>
> *To:* TSCM-..._at_googlegroups.com
> *Sent:* Saturday, May 19, 2007 6:51 AM
> *Subject:* [TSCM-L] {1615} Infrared transmitters
>
> Have any members found Infrared transmitters used for spying whilst
> performing a sweep ?
>
>
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>
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Re Infrared Transmitters,  thank you to all that have replied, it does look as though not many IR devices are used. <div>On 5/26/07, James Greenwold <
<a href="mailto:b..._at_charter.net">b..._at_charter.net</a>> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">

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I guess I have to ask why that would be.  Is there some advantage to have considerably (500 times) less amplification of light?   
 
I look at it as a worse case IR laser being used.  If you are not in a direct line you may not see it with Gen 1.  With Gen 3 + you can see the scatter as it passess through a window. 
 
<blockquote>Please explain. 
</blockquote>-- 
 
Thank you for your time 
 
James Greenwold 
Bureau Of Technical Services 
715-726-1400 
 
<a href="mailto:b..._at_tacticalsurveillance.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">b..._at_tacticalsurveillance.com</a> 
 
 
From: "<a href="mailto:taylo..._at_yahoo.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">taylo..._at_yahoo.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:taylo..._at_yahoo.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
taylo..._at_yahoo.com</a>> 
<blockquote>Reply-To: <a href="mailto:TSCM-..._at_googlegroups.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">TSCM-..._at_googlegroups.com</a> 
Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 10:15:13 -0700 (PDT) 
To: <a href="mailto:TSCM-..._at_googlegroups.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">TSCM-..._at_googlegroups.com</a> 
Subject: [TSCM-L] {1656} Re: Infrared transmitters 
 
</blockquote> 
<blockquote>james, 
  
 
  
next time try gen 1 night vision works much better than gen 3 for ir search 
 
John Papaleo <<a href="mailto:jpap..._at_nyaes.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">jpap..._at_nyaes.com</a>> wrote: 
  
<blockquote>      v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}  o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}  w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}  .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);}        st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) }              
 
  
We had about 45 minutes of audio on the recorder but it was mostly the car radio. The device was set up to be voice activated so the radio turned it on whenever it (the radio) was turned on. We did not have the IR transceiver so I of course could not do the download myself. I backtracked to the manufacturer who claimed it could be downloaded in a minute or so. I did not do an IR scan because it was a vehicle and I did not suspect an IR device in that environment, live and learn I guess. We did find it on the physical search however. These things are available from various manufacturers.
 
   
 
   
John 
   
 
   
  
   
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From: <a href="mailto:TSCM-..._at_googlegroups.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">TSCM-..._at_googlegroups.com</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:TSCM-..._at_googlegroups.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
TSCM-..._at_googlegroups.com</a>] On Behalf Of James Greenwold 
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 10:32 AM 
To: <a href="mailto:TSCM-..._at_googlegroups.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">TSCM-..._at_googlegroups.com</a> 
Subject: [TSCM-L] {1648} Re: Infrared transmitters 
   
 
   
Part of my procedure is to take a walk aroud the facility and look for IR with Gen 3 night vision.  IR comes across like a flashlight and is easy to see. 
 
If there was a recording (audio) from a vehicle for a day or even a few hours, how long would it take to download the data using light?  It would seem that you might have to wait  for stalled traffic. 
-- 
 
James Greenwold 
Bureau Of Technical Services 
715-726-1400 
 
<a href="mailto:b..._at_tacticalsurveillance.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">b..._at_tacticalsurveillance.com</a> 
 
 
From: "JPapaleo" <<a href="mailto:JPap..._at_nyc.rr.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">JPap..._at_nyc.rr.com</a>> 
   
Reply-To: <a href="mailto:TSCM-..._at_googlegroups.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">TSCM-..._at_googlegroups.com</a> 
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 15:10:47 -0500 
To: <<a href="mailto:TSCM-..._at_googlegroups.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">TSCM-..._at_googlegroups.com</a>> 
Subject: [TSCM-L] {1645} Re: Infrared transmitters 
  
<blockquote>   
 
   
I found a digital audio recorder that was placed in the rear taillight assembly of a vehicle in which the output of the recorder was sent to an IR transmitter, also in the assembly, allowing the recorder to be downloaded via the IR link. The device help four hours of talk and could download in under a minute. Sp all you had to do was pull up behind the vehicle with the device at a stop light and you would have your remote audio with no RF involved at all. We can talk more off-line unless someone else is interested.
 
 
john 
   
----- Original Message ----- 
From: don gibson <mailto:<a href="mailto:linkinves..._at_googlemail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">linkinves..._at_googlemail.com</a>>   
To: <a href="mailto:TSCM-..._at_googlegroups.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">TSCM-..._at_googlegroups.com</a> 
Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 6:51 AM 
Subject: [TSCM-L] {1615} Infrared transmitters 
 
Have any members found Infrared transmitters used for spying whilst performing a sweep ? 
 
 
 
</blockquote>   
 
 
 
      
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