I've noticed many crackers share Fravia's views on reversing reality, i.e. the supermarket 'scam'. My local supermarket actually employs 2 people who rea-arrange the shelves every week. We see them every Saturaday, wandering around, deciding what to move. The result? No-one knows where anything is.

I have spent my life 'reversing reality'. After a break of several years, I have recently revived my passion for computers. One of my reasons for doing so was to improve my grasp of abstract logic, in order to better understand the world around me.

A few years ago, I would have readily shared much of Fravia's view of the world. However, i have been privelleged to enjoy an extremely diverse life - amongst my dearest friends and relatives I number an astrophysist, several gangsters, an eminent doctor and a multitude of musicians, bums, junkies and philosphers. The truth of the matter is that assembly language is a piece of piss to comprehend compared to reality. Computers are black and white - they're just 0's and 1's at the end of the day.

Reality, on the other hand, is weirder than anyone could imagine. The number of variables involved; the way the rules constantly change; indeed the sheer complexity of the subroutines governing human behaviour is frighteningly complex. If the world were black and white, then quantum mechanics wouldn't favour probability over cause and effect.

Ultimately, people will believe whatever they want to, regardless of any brain washing tricks others try to use against them. If you don't agree, then why haven't those tricks worked on you?

Blah blah blah - just my two farthings worth.......(I mean no offence BTW)

Howdy,


"Ultimately, people will believe whatever they want to, regardless of any brain washing tricks others try to use against them. If you don't agree, then why haven't those tricks worked on you?"


Just what I needed, a post to stir my passion


At the risk of wandering down the deadly road of philosophy, I will comment briefly.
The trick's work on everyone, it is my opinion that many don't realize it. Some like the comfort it gives them in that, they don't have to think. It is easy to do what "they" suggest.
One example: I know of a person who firmly believes that in the USA , We are going to have a "cashless" society. This is some conspiracy that is being propagated upon the masses.
This is also the same person who gladly use's checks, debit cards, credit cards and the ATM machine. He does not yet realize that he is being tricked. Why? because it's easy.
Have I pointed this out to him? NO. Why? Because if he cant understand the hypocrisy in his statements then how could I possibly convey the idea to him. He has, for some reason, decided not to think.


I believe there are people who can see it and others who can't and then some who cant see but have the ability. Why or how does this happen? I have no answer. Probably the funniest thing is that most of those being tricked think they are the smart ones. They refuse to believe the reality that they could be misled.


I once tried to explain to someone how to "reverse" the reality of the supermarket. Even though he agreed with me he would not confirm that these things happen. Perhaps he didn't like my thoughts about it and thought I was just full of shit. I find these reality's very entertaining and delight in reversing them for what they are. Friends wonder at times why I stare at certain things for a few minutes while my brain delves into what they mean.


This happened today, I was asked about who offers free Internet. The last time I checked no one did.
I told him this and he could not grasp the concept. It says free just to get you to sign up. After that they are betting you will be to lazy to cancel it. You know what I got for a response? Yes but it says 700 hours free. I said yes that is true after that you have to pay. No response. He was completely perplexed by it. I said I gotta go and just left him standing there. How can they not see through things this easy?

Peace, Woodmann

1 Word: Kickass =)

While Janus has surely a point when stating that reality is MUCH more complex than software ( even if we all know how heavily and uselessly complex some overbloated software can be when we have to reverse it I still find quite important every single crumb of our 'looking behind the mask' activities ... in our software world on the web or AND irl
Ok: reality is VERY complex, but if you have some good tools and some good examples you can try to tackle it from many sides , and you'll often enough find "scams" with similar patterns , since the main purpose is always the same : screw the poor little idiots .

I have a personal example : only recently I was trying to understand which gsm option and provider would be the best for me. You think you can compare them ? Go ahead and try it : YOU CANNOT . "They" offer an incredible variety of UNCOMPARABLE options for gsm use . You think this is not made on purpose ?
Don't you see that's the same aim as always ? Always the same objective : screw the poor slaves . This regards astrophisicists and gangsters alike .

In fact believe me where I live consumers would need as I did to write a complex C++ program only to understand which f**ing gsm-provider offers the most useful and / or cheap options !

I think and believe that even such banal observations can shed some light on the real hidden workings of our reality . Of course you would need to work further , check what happens elsewhere and finally even write something about it , that I wont do because I don't have the time . Just crumbs of "reality cracking" if you want to call this that way , and not very important for sure but useful nevertheless methinks .

Work well,
A+heist

People are 'tricked'. 'But', people choose to be tricked. They choose to be ignorant, to see only that which justifies the consensus view of the peer group they inhabit. I'm going to have to mention three philisophers quickly.

John Stuart Mill - 'On Liberty'

Three points

a) He talks about the 'tyranny of the majority'. This, he argues, is a greater threat to 'mankind's advancement' than any legislative restriction of freedom. Basically the idea that the social forces of conformism hinder peoples freedom of choice.

b) He say that any statement can be either true, false or partially true. Most statements are partially true. Only through peaceful, intecellectual debates can the partial truths play off against each other to illuminate whole truths.

c) He believed the only time society had the right to restrict an individuals freedom, was to prevent them from causing 'direct' harm to others. (Not really relevant....lol)


Wittgenstein


'Tracitus'

Basically points out that all we spend our lives doing is playing games. In whatever we do, there are rules, goals, and penalties.


Satre

'Existentialism and humanism'

(Personally, i believe that the Budhists demonstrated these ideas first.....) Taking responsibility for shaping the person who are and will be, accepting full responsibility for your choices, i.e. not blaming God, or other people for the decisons you make.


What I'm getting at is this. The majority of people choose to be part of a flock. They willingly choose to surrender some of their own freedom, in return for the imagined security and other benefits that such as choice brings. They play the same games throughout their lives, secure in the knowledge that they won't have to face unfamiliar situations and games they don't understand.

Mill prophecised societies current predicament. People don't like wandering too far from natural pastures, because they fear the wrath that truly taking responsibility for their own thoughts and actions entails.

To be truly open minded and free comes at a cost.


Woodmann - "Friends wonder at times why I stare at certain things for a few minutes while my brain delves into what they mean."

You choose to do so at a cost. You act in a non-typical manner, and people think you're weird. Even if they don't, you can end up thinking they think you're weird, simply because you know you're breaking the rules. The reward is insight. Now they too could choose to stare at certain things and think about them, but they choose not to. People choose to conform because they want to fit it. I think that is why 'tricks' work. Not because the 'tricks' remove a persons ability to think properly. Its because that person chooses to lets others be the guardian of their thoughts.

People have to choose freedom. They enslave themselves.

Oddly enough, I agree with everything that has been said on this thread....if you really think about it, both sides of this discussion are actually the same side.

The Flock Mentality or conformity or whatever you want to call it....

People choose to be tricked...TRUE, but I would like to extend that to:

MOST or ALL People choose to be tricked.

I believe everyone has their buttons. The old adage "If it seems to good to be true, it probably is." almost always holds true, but if it's something that we REALLY want, we're more likely to get blindsided.

When reversing situations that are even the least bit commercially oriented, EVERYTHING is aimed at the flock. There's a multi-million dollar business that solely deals in studying videotape of people shopping. Why? To establish what the shopping habits of the majority are.

'Tracitus'

Basically points out that all we spend our lives doing is playing games. In whatever we do, there are rules, goals, and penalties.

There you have the core of the debate...
reality is complex, but there ARE rules, goals and penalties.

Make someone have the PERCEPTION that if they do this, they'll achieve their goal, if not, there will be a penalty....and they'll bite. This is the essence of advertising ;-)

As for rules....this goes back to the flock thing...
Next time you get on an elevator, stand facing the back and watch the reactions of the other passengers. Simply because you're facing a different direction while waiting to rise or descend to a different floor....you're wierd LOL ( This is especially effective if standing face to face with someone) :-D

Well, I've rambled and digressed enough for one day hehe