Hello all.

I have Posted my Cracking Guide aimed to those
Who feel need to crack or learn few trick and trubleshooting.
The guide located in http://tsehp.cjb.net

I hope you will enjoy it, ohh yeah and if you want to print
It make sure you have 40 Pages :-)

Cya All
Bengaly

Cool essay for beginners

Bengaly!
Here one boy called "Code_Insaide" said me,
that he is newbie!
Your comments?!

heheheh

Ain't we all newbies ?
U think that if u crack 4 years u a master ?
you wanna be good crack 10-20 years than don't call your self "newbie" , the guide was to get ppl interested, did i ever said it
Would help more advanced ?
Did u see me screaming i am the best ?

Any way CoDe_InSide is a funny dude, he likes to joke
But if he feels that way i can't stop him can i ?

I can always update the guide, make it 200 pages, you think it will make me Advanced cracker ?

w8ing for reply.

Hello, Bengaly

I am unable to locate the HCU Cracking Guide, Can you help me, give me exact location

regards
cah...

the Guide is at HCU page:

http://www.woodmann.net/fravia/HCU-Cracking%20guide.htm

This is a direct link.

if it can't be reached, try http://Tsehp.cjb.net
Click the hompage loho, and scroll down, the first link is the Guide.

Hayya, Bengaly

Finally, I down loaded your cracking guide, I will enjoy by reading this.

thanks,
cah...

Cah,

cool.
I hope you will enjoy Reading it,
If anyone think the guide should get Updated, dunno
to 200 pages or soo, drop a message.

Bye, cya, adios, shalom, cyonara,

Ideed he's a small boy

When did i say i am an Advanced ?
and if again CoDe_InSiDE think i am one (newbie)
than he probably right, do i crack 20 years ???

Hi Everyone,

Bengaly == Newbie?

But ofcourse, like he said who isn't
But uhm.... Evaluator, when did i say to you that Bengaly's a Newbie?
I can't remember it

And Cluesurf, yes i'm a small boy 9.1 years old

Cya...

CoDe_InSiDe

Ok lets get back to the topic : CRACKING

Hiya,

I've just read the first few pages of Bengali's 'Cracking Guide' and whilst I don't wish to get at him directly, I think it illustrates why everyone who writes a tutorial or tutorial(s) should have someone double check their articles or at least proofread it.

1. "Windows as you don't know, does not use Interrupts anymore"

This is plainly incorrect and stupid.

2. "Every Register is divided to low/high bit:"

I think actually in the context its supposed to be byte, since the diagram below suggests that, high and low bytes of si/di/bp anyone?.

3. "IDA is a first class Dissasembler, very recommended. [Dos interface]."

Yes and there is even now a windows version, unless 4.04's idag.exe is classed as 'DOS'.

4. "IceDUMP hides SoftICE so no app can detect it :-)"

Blatently untrue, ask the owl if he thinks this is the case ;-).

5. "Crackers do not tend to Code in Visual Basic, As it is heavy, UN optimized, slow, using DLLs And not Portable without them".

Perhaps this is so, but how the hell can you say VB is heavy and unoptimsed without qualifying it some way ;-).

6. "Double WORDS (DWORD) - 32 Bites"

Ahem, bytes maybe?.

7. Various other factual inaccuracies.

"real cracking began 10 years ago"
"borden" ; 1st paragraph

Try 30 ;-) or more.
Is this english?.

I only read the first 3 pages or so, and I found those 'errors' (as well as a fair few others were I being really pedantic about it).

Don't get me wrong here, I've got no objection to anyone writing tutorials but you could at least check the very basic information you provide for factual accuracy, or ask someone to proofread your texts.

Regards

CrackZ.

Ahah you are right CrackZ but I think article is still coll for newbies at least intermediate ones ;-)

CrackZ

-"Real cracking began long ago, something about 10+ years."
-"All interrupts were deleted and were rewrite from
Scratch to what we know as "API" ...yeah they do exist, in dos.
But I am talking about windows, maybe they exist in windows as well, but in API form.
-Ha "Borden" ha should be spelled “Burden”, my fault
-"Every Register is divided to low/high bit:", yeah bytes, I don’t think when u write at 3am u can remember much,
-"IDA is a first class Disassembler, very recommended. [Dos interface]." , ahh I never used
IDA, didn’t know about win version either, only dos.
-“Ask the owl if he thinks this is the case”, ha give me email.
-"Double WORDS (DWORD) - 32 Bites" , bytes, ha another fault occurred in 3am.

Keep reading, u are a good help to me, I like people to fix me up, it makes them think,
Better, just don’t be a sissy-lala on me will ya ? ;-)
ah, why i write in 3am ? cuz it's fun and quite, writing 40 pages straight from the head feww seems allot of work when u write in the night ain't it?
also no asm book here so i am sorry for any bad info.
anyway, i can always double check, but as i said this tutorial didn't ment for "known" ppl, so mabye it was a bad mistake to publish it anyway, ah i'll tell tsehp to take it off, ppl are flaming me too much, even in irc u aren't much of a "Friend" as well.

ill have a quick to talk rizz on stuff i need, Toleration is off when u are being well not respected, even when u are trying to avoid such ppl who seems to track u down.

anyway, i hope u happy now "CrackZ"
have fun in ur life as i in my self.
blah blah blah here and alittle there,
i also would be supprised even if u read until this part. :/

bye bye

Bengaly,
Don't be over sensitive, accept it as constructive criticism, do as he suggests, read it through, correct any inaccuracies. If there are things you aren't sure of or just don't know then ask someone who does. I'm sure people appreciate your enthusiasm.
regards
Hz

Hiya Bengali,

Thank you for your somewhat less than lucid response. Please understand that in my post I was trying to gently prod you into correcting some mistakes and NOT publicly humiliate you.

Consider if you will :

i). What is the point of a 40 page document that tells newbies (your audience) to read the manual umpteen times when you yourself plainly haven't.

ii). What is the point of teaching newbies about subjects you plainly know very little about, you've never used IDA (your words not mine) and you are all of a sudden in a position to tell people its very good and they should use it, thats just plain laughable.

iii). "Every Register is divided to low/high bit:, yeah bytes", I still don't think you've grasped that this is still wrong. I'm afraid to say at 3am I do still remember basic x86 architecture where as it has escaped you at both 3am and now.

iv). The other mistakes are all blatently false, before you start telling everyone how to do things don't you think it would be wise to have some sort of basic appreciation of the facts before you tell people icedump can "hide apps so none can detect it", look on the other msgboard, I think theres even a thread about icedump being detected.

After making these harsh points, let me present the carrott, I'm very pleased indeed you chose to write a tutorial for newbies, I'd like to see many more people do it, please though, have the humility to accept your inaccuracies, and correct them ;-), that was the idea behind my post, writing a 3am bodge job tutorial with misleading information isn't going to help anyone.

Please also understand, this isn't a 'flame', I have nothing to gain or prove by doing so, maybe you need to be a little less aggressive in your receipt of criticism?.

FYI, I did read all of your message (even if the last few lines were less than succinct), my point wasn't to single out you for criticism, it was a wider point that you yourself have acknowledged, that it might be good to have essays which newbies are going to read, proofread.

I look forward to your updates ;-).

Regards

CrackZ

"Official member of the whinging old bastards party" and chairman of the campaign against this msgboard of frills ;-).

Heya Bengaly,

Criticism is the best way to learn from mistakes and more ever
its a friendly contructive one

cya
Best regards

cluesurf

What in GODS name has this tripe got to do with HCU ?

hm..

Criticism, i can handle such thing, what crackz said was true on cases i did forgot / was my faults.
i won't hide / lie anything, of course i can Update it.
but still i think this need to be put down out from tsehp.cjb.net
i hope ppl did enjoy read somehow this essay.
i'll contact tshep to get all my stuff out, as this latest essay
was not the only problem i got flamed by.
more and more comes and use me as "todays joke"
same thing happened on the barcode tut, it was ok indeed,
still ppl laught at me.
so it seems even crackz didn't ment it, this was the last straw who cracked the chamel's back.
probably i won't be in mIRC anymore, only but to say few words to those who actually "cool" with me.
say hello to pgc's ppl [ what's left of it now ] and keep with my life.
ppl should know that i only tried to contribut as much as i can,
but no one [except few] liked it.

i hope u will be happy all now.

thanx to rizzah, the only man who helped me in irc,
i won' forget ya.

Hiya Ben,

I'm sorry that my posts appeared a bit harsh (perhaps on reflection they were), it was never my intention to demoralise or demotivate or belittle you in anyway, you evidently have much enthusiasm for helping people (something many of us here (some of the older types ;-) ) do not any longer).

I would urge you not to take your material down at all, instead just ask some people for feedback and fix the errors I mentioned (I'm sure many others here would be happy to review changes / make suggestions), it'll be a better doc for it ;p.

Please understand, I don't want you to 'stop contributing' or feel your a laughing stock, if I've done that, I'm sorry, the scene needs more people like yourself with fresh blood / motivation, not self-appointed whining bastards like me ;-).

Anyhow, lets close this thread on that note and no hard feelings ;-).

Regards

CrackZ.

Greetings to you all,

To Bengaly,

I see no need in removing your writings. I enjoyed the tut and found it informative.
I will be more than happy to proof read it again and make the corrections needed.
For those who do not write/speak english well it easy to make simple mistakes. Please don't confuse the criticism
for flaming, that is not the intent.

I would be proud to have CrackZ read my works. I have only the best regards for his opinion.

In this time where very few people write tut's, it is important to keep your works available. Please forget about simple mistakes and take pride in what you have written (I have not the confidence of you to write my own).

If you still desire to have your works removed, please email me personally. I won't like it, but I will respect your wishes.

Peace, Woodmann@woodmann.com

Hey Bengaly,

Cheers on the tut. Take what is being said to heart, putting the effort into writing a reference tutorial for others is a noble cause. It's the best thing to come out of this board, wanting to help others learn, and providing needed information. You've got nothing to feel bad about, and you should definitely consider a rewrite (and retitle) and keep it posted on the site. It's not easy to write a good tut, it takes a lot of hard work and research. I feel the biggest thing you get out of it is what you've taught yourself while writing it.

My main positive suggestion might be to condense each section down a bit, treat each part as a smaller section and focus in on what it is that you're trying to get across. You've got enough information in there that I think would be better dealt with separately to give it the credit it deserves.

Enthuisiasm to contribute to the knowledge base is exactly what we want around here, don't give up the fight

Cheers,
Kayaker

Bengaly

There is a story of the young bull and the old bull looking down on a field full of cows....... of course the young bull wanted to rush down and bang em all......... however the old bull had some very wise words.............

Listen & Learn

+SplAj

Keep up good work man...

To err is homan right? Don't be desperate....Just fix your essay and make it better

heya all.

Well i will surely try to Fix this essay and Pre-Check it with others
Before i will release it again.
allot of ppl did replied nice posts here, even CrackZ.
Being a rush on someone at first can be a cruel thing to do.
but i have saw ppl did somehow think it's a good worth reading.
so i will fix the damm essay, and let you also enjoy more pages
my only goal is to help, sure i can handle errors, i am human as well, and yeah rushing to releasing it was a bit of mistake as +SplAj mentioned.


p.s
Carpathia : it has nothing to do with HCU
it just on tsehp's hcu pages so i called it that way

Cya all next time and thanx for support.

splaj...fixed

...and that would be Carpathia to all of us , please don't mispell here in this place ...... unless it's bi-tarts

I think this tutorial writer has done a great job and should be recognised for his efforts.. Therefore I have posted the tutorial on my site, and many people are benefitting from it. Ofcourse there are going to be some errors in a tutorial so large as this, but that just proves this dude is human. I think he has done a great job!

Well done Bengaly!

-Axion
Co-Founder of Axion Network Tutorials
http://www.axion-network.net

F0dder....hehe

Axion didn't steal my Tutorial for his own webPage.
Actually i made the tut for Axion, and than posted at tsehp's
Cuz it will be vital to all ppl who don't know axion's page
also to read it from tsehp's page.
so i made 2 version (hcu / axion)
Don't flame axion, he is a cool dude.
about the asm..i don't know

cya all

Thanks bengaly...
f0dder,
Every single one of the tutorials I offer to visitors is made for my site. There is only one tutorial which wasnt, and I specifically got permission from the owner. I firmly believe against this and I would condemn anyone who does. I am with you on this matter.
As for the person asking for interested writers in a book. That was me, and I think its fairly unfair you bring that up. I have presented a great idea for a book, how could this be a bad thing? Considering each person involved reaps the benefits this is nor selfish or disrespectful for anyone in the channel. If you would like to let me know how it is I would happily review you thoughts. The entire time I have tried to remain as sensitive to peoples thoughts as I can. I apologise if my interest in a book like the one I presented offended you.. but I dont see how such a thing could.

Please reply with your thoughts, I would like to resolve this issue, Im aware one person not likeing me is a big problem.. and I'd like to fix that.

Regards
-Axion

Axion

oringinal from F0dder:

>And one of these guys was in #win32asm on day, asking us to >write
>stuff for them to put in a book and sell...

We do it for fun and laughter and not for money.... Knowlege is free like Bengaly's tute said.
Btw your offers offended ppl.Another thing don't cross posting too much on the board...

cluesurf

whooops!, sorry a little quick on the buttons......

Z your right, in order to properly xplain to newbies how to do it, we should start them out with the correct info first.

Nice tut Bengal, actually read it myself...... not bad.

UoK

UrgeOverKill..heheh

don't worry it's all fine now.
i'll send new fix-up version
keep reading..if want

bye bye

I am gonna write a generic Sales Agent Cracking The Registry Approach tutorial hope +tsehp will publish it

Hi Bengaly!
What a magic dll is this:

;EXP=c:\windows\system\shell232.dll

I not found in my win98se! and I removed
this line from winice.dat


Hi CoDe_InSiDe!

Guys made some mistake about what you sad
to me

Hi evaluator,

Hehehehe

Cya...

CoDe_InSiDe

hi..

Seems Win98SE does not use:
EXP=c:\windows\system\shell232.dll

but it is on WIN98 :-)

Bye..

To Bengaly,

>Seems Win98SE does not use:
>EXP=c:\windows\system\shell232.dll

>but it is on WIN98 :-)

thats your typo eror man ;PPP
win98 doesn't has this file
shell232.dll ;PPP
it should be

EXP=c:\windows\system\shell32.dll
without the quotes



regards
esther

your right f0dder

but he didn't check if theres a shell232.dll in win98 before he made conclusion saying that theres is just like me
Apologies man

Well i never check that dll before, nether the less i care
but yeah its Numega problems, that i haven't tried look if its true cuz i though it is :-)
well..anyway someone should ghive numega a little letter saying that to them :-).

Hi Bengaly!
1. So before Numega removes "sell232.dll"
you can remove it from your TUTOR!

2. Here guys sad to you, that ICEDUMP is not
ANTI-ANTIwinice tool(as you wrote).
Of course sometimes it can't help us, BUT!
moreTime it helps! So you can wrote in your
TUTOR:
ICEDUMP IS ANTI-ANTI...IN 99%

well...i nkow i must update my new tut and
I already have in some matters just not sent to Tsehp yet :-)
but keep correct me in some ways so i can finally give that tut
the Right shape it has to.
Thanx
Bengaly

well...i nkow i must update my new tut and
I already have in some matters just not sent to Tsehp yet :-)
but keep correct me in some ways so i can finally give that tut
the Right shape it has to.
Thanx
Bengaly

Hi Bengaly!

As I found, trick "EBFE" crashes MyTRW2000. (Can be only my?)
I upgraded this trick to more "stable" variant:

90
EBFD

3 bytes, 2 instruction. This will work underwater
You can write it in your TUT as addition for EBFE.

Best regards!

heya..

Great thanx, i'll add this "fix" to the tut for TRW2000 users.
but i know i works fine in SoftICE though..
keep add more stuff so we will make is rox.
ok cya bye.