Hiya all,

I wanted to put my 2c on this one since I've just seen it.

I'm really angry that someone could and would actually be so stupid as to steal this for a few MB's on a few lousy sites, and also totally compromise a legitamate end-user, its this sort of practise that really pisses me off in the scene and I hope some of the more intelligent people around here will agree with me.

Of course, all the lameasses who couldn't afford or be bothered to buy IDA will now be downloading like morons just to see a few extra features they didn't need anyway.

I'm disgusted.

CrackZ.

What does it matter? Every program gets pirated, and it has exactly the same effects on the makers of the program. I don't think it's very usefull to single out one program that should not be cracked or stolen.

I Agree with the above post by unregistered.
I think CrackZ is being a little hard on the good people that help others. CrackZ doesn't even answer email messages when someone needs help so It's all fine with me if he's "sick"

If I have money I will buy it. But I can't afford it at the present($299/$495). I'm a poor guy.

Where? Where?


...Have Phun

Hello aimless !

Please no requests or this post will be closed. (deleted?)

I found it too, but I thought it was a cracked version, until CrackZ posted it here.

But why do you need it? As CrackZ said "just to see a few extra features they didn't need anyway". CrackZ is right. Even the 4.18 hasn't new features you need as cracker.

Download the 4.1 Freeware version. Or do you need to disassemble your hand calulator's or your GameBoy's ROM?

Would you like it if every year one of your programs which you paid $500 for is stolen and you aren't able to receive any more support or updates?

Kudos goes to ArthaXerXes for acutally making some sense here.
I believe that CrackZ has a right to be mad also; just like the programmers that coded the programs that he has cracked. ie: on his website there is a listing of 'dongled' programs that he has helped to or has cracked.
So in retrospect in looking at CrackZ's post; I wonder if he's more concerned with the legimate end user of the program; or mad because, he paid money for 'his' copy and now people can get it for free?
that being said I think ArthaXerXes has made a couple of good points in his post and thats my 2c.

I must say I'm in doubt about this one... I am glad to see it released and yes, I will be using it. On the other hand my problem with this release is is that it's at the cost of a end-user. While it's true that warez are always hurting someone it's usually the companies producing the software... and as for Datarescue, I don't see why they should be spared while other (very) good companies get hacked and cracked all the time (numega? w32dasm? maya/3dsmax etc...).

But, the fact that this release might be stolen from an end-user DOES make it less nice for me. I also don't like carding releases, for the same reason... it's at the expense of a single, innocent person who has nothing to do with the whole scene/thing. And that's also the case with this one...

Still, I am glad to see it released... no, I might not need all the newest functions but as with all software a new version is not released without reason so it's always nice to have that newer version.

What does the freeware version of IDA give us and what
are the limitations compared to a regged version ?
Is it worth using or should ppl just go for the warezed
version ??

The way I see it, crackers (or reversers heh) such as ourselves could usually go away with the freeware version
as long as it's good enough for us, and leave the full
versions alone for those who really wanna buy them.
I think DataRescue should think about this point.

In any case, while I dont like theft of any kind, I don't
object to warez. Simply because in our commercialized
world, companies and businesses make way too much
money off the end users. And I don't mean hard working
people. I'm talking about the capitalism and the ripoff
attitude companies have.
Warez tends to balance that somehow, even if it's actually
an illegal act.

Warez does other good things for the software vendors
and not a single person on earth can state otherwise.
We all know what warezed versions of Win95 did for
MS..

So, to balance it all, we have on one side the bad things,
which are theft and hurting other end users, and on the
other hand we've got a fight against capitalism and
actually improving one's circulation.

The same goes for games. I can count too many games
I've had from friends burning copies for me, then I went
out and bought the original (to play on bnet for example)
or because a new game or xpac came out that I wanted
so I went and bought it knowing what the original game
gave me (lots of fun usually hehe)..

There's good and bad, and I don't think IDA should be
singled out among the other softwares on the planet.
Games, apps and even (YES!) IDA, gets warezed. Accept
it, and take the good of it and the bad of it...

LS

I really cant understand the attitudes towards IDA.Everyone gives SoftICE, and other numega apps,w32dasm,resourcer,etc freely. We see them as a tool but not IDA. I really cant find the "why" of this question.

Hello everybody !

The point in stealing IDA and releasing it is that IDA includes the key and the signatures of it's real owner.

So if a version gets pirated, the user who paid money for it will loose his right for updates and support.

If you distribute SoftICE for example, the only one who gets harmed is Numega, because we can easily generate working serials for SoftICE. So no 'registered' user of SoftICE will get harmed.

But as tsehp showed (http://www.woodmann.net/fravia/tsehp_ida.htm) us, there are many ways to follow the pirated version to it's user. We don't know a way to remove the signatures, because we don't no which data is a signature and which not.

So we harm a user, not only the software company.

First, I'm sure CrackZ is mad that it was a legitimate user that got screwed over by some greedy sceners, not that it was warezed over all. It pisses me off too in fact. Yes, everything gets warezed. But come on... you shouldn't screw over a guy from what he legitimately paid for just because you want a certain program. We're theives, yes, but that doesn't mean we don't have lines that shouldn't be crossed.
As for why people treat IDA differently from other tools...
IDA is so far above and beyond any other tool of its kind, and many people respect the guys at Datarescue for it. For what it can do and the time I'm sure they put into it, the price they set on it is probably lower than what it should be! (at least IMO). Yeah, IDA's gonna get warez... but Datarescue is a company I and a lot of others like, so we hope that the damage is kept to a minimum.

Regards,
Kythen - saving up for his legit copy of IDA

Hiya,

My main point to this post, which several people have picked up on here, was NOT the fact that IDA had been warezed, I'm not in the "we shouldn't crack this particular software because its good" religious group. IF someone had actually 'cracked' it by removing the protection then I think even DataRescue would have taken their hats off.

What I objected too here is the fact that this version was stolen from a legitamate end-user, who will no doubt now be feeling DataRescue's wrath for sharing his copy, there was no attempt made to even conceal where it came from.....(not even a trivial one), and thus someone (who could just have easily have been me - yes I admit to sharing my copy) who has paid $495 has now donated without their consent their name and copy of IDA to a zillion lamers who didn't need it anyway.

On a secondary point. It always amazes me the number of people who MUST have the latest ever versions of every piece of software without ever really knowing why they need it.....as some other people have pointed out here, the freeware version or 4.04 that still kicks around the web is perfectly adequate for just about everyone.

It saddens me actually that people still proclaim their divine right to have every single piece of software their exploding HD's continually demand, of course I won't expect to see any of them buying or cracking soon, and I bloody well hope no future versions of IDA leak so you can all sit with 4.15 whining about why you don't need / but must have v4.xx in the future.

Regards

CrackZ.

[OLD WHINING BASTARD].

Wow ! where are we heading to ?

I thought this place was preparing us for free reverse education.
I'm rather astonished the way some people react because a holy star has been shared with the whole scene. Who knows if the person did intentionally share it, or just bought it for the masses.

How do you know it was stolen? do you know the person ?
why are you so radical when others try to touch what you already have ? Aren't you open minded ?

Where's your sense of freedom ? where's your sense of harmony ? Why do we all fight for liberty and freedom ?

How do you feel when you give a sweet mango to someone who can't reach the top of the tree ? Don't you feel happy ? Don't people loose their lives when they try to help others.
Have we all forgotten the real essence of life ?

Stop quarelling on a piece of software and think of what this board is meant for. If someone has stolen or decided to share out this copy of the software, so what ? It's not the first time, and neither will be the last.

Blessed is the person who decided to help out others, and let him have my eternal gratitude.

My special thanks for "Revirgin", which is a rare piece of diamond which can't be estimated. It's more than a friendly, sentimental and very outstanding tool. When something goes wrong tsehp
doesn't complain. He cares for us all and frequently updates it.

Why can't we all be happy for others.

BUT WHY DID YOU BRING THIS TOPIC HERE ?
If you feel your inner ego hurt , then complain elsewhere and thus we can avoid problems.

All of you guys have made excellent points, I have the freeware version and have been using for years. Its good enough for what I do, if I *really* need it, then I will buy it, is damn hard to learn anyway.


I don't think its a major deal that this ver. is out, its just a refresher of the current ver anyway.

Ah, how silly of me, I can see the errors of my ways in daring to suggest that screwing a licensed user was immoral at the very least.

In light of this, if all licensed users of IDA v4.1.8 who dutifully paid their $495 would please queue up in an orderly fashion to donate their copies, names and future support for the greater good of this predominantly selfish, self-serving excuse for a scene, (who don't know why they need the latest version of the software anyway) then I'm sure all will be well.

I also fail to see what this has to do with ego, your deluding yourself if you think this place really educates anyone, other than in the art of cracking the neverending latest versions of particular protections ;-), perhaps it should also have crossed your minds that I might be in a very good position to say that it was indeed STOLEN, since I tend to check my facts before posting.

Oh well, my cause is lost, and I've seen enough.

Regards

CrackZ.

man-oh-man.....

Regardless of your opinion/use of warez, there exists only 3 possibilities to this 'leaked/stolen' release in my mind:

1) This is a carded release.
Don't shed too many tears for the victim because he will be able to call the cc company and have the purchase removed.

2) The original buyer leaked it himself.
It's his own damn fault, so let it be.

3) The original buyer shared it with someone else who leaked it.
It's his own damn fault, so let it be.


Did I miss something here? If you're taking the stance that warez are alright (if illegal) and you're only burned about the "innocent victim" (original buyer), than just realize that no matter how this release got leaked it's his own damn fault.

....my $.02

1. aye.

2. Indeed, and it's his right as well..

3. agree 100%.


Regarding choices 2 and 3: If the guy leaked himself the
program, he knowingly (it's his right) screwed himself
up (he knew he wont have updates etc..) and thus it
was his choice (nothing you can do about it there..).
For option 3, if he shared it with some1 and sonehow now
it's pirated, he should blame himself (he got himself into
the mess).

I often give copies of original games I buy to my friends,
and they in turn do the same for me. So what ??
I don't care.


Bottom line: Screwing a person over is, yes, immoral and
sleazy. However, I'm not gonna cry about it and get
pissed off by such a trivial matter such as that.

Life has enough important issues to get worked up by
, without feeling sorry for ONE (and we are talking about
only ONE) end user.

hehe, this is kinda funny though. If you hear of a person
that died in a car accident who you have no relation to,
or in a terrorist attack or whatever way, you don't get
pissed off and go cry about it. Sure it's not nice to hear,
but the truth is people care less if it's not some1 they know.
With this in mind, if I don't get worked up by one person
who died in an accident, more so I won't get worked up
by a person losing $495 !!

Hell, I don't think they deserve $495 for IDA. But since
they call the price, I can't do much about it except not
buy it

LS

Hello Lord_Soth !

Games? Interesting. So you won't be able to get the update 1.04.52 of your game, just because a friend of you pirated 1.04.51?

In my oppinion not. You can download game updates freely, serial numbers get (if they get) locked only for the internet games, but why are there keygens for games? Even if you go to the game store which is located right under/over/left/right of your home, the game's companies won't be able to track you back, because you've no personalized version of the game. Even if you've registered online with your real name and address, you can always say "I'm not guilty. Someone hacked into your online server and stole my serial number."

Many people replied on this topic. Some had good arguments, some not. The ethic question is as old as software itself, maybe older. We could talk forever about this and wouldn't get to an end. So why should we? We've to do more important things.

heh, doh bro,

Lemme just clarify one thing.. Yup I won't have a problem
with any game update or patch. True, I might buy a game's
xpac or something like that if I think I really need it.

The thing is, you're trying to convince me that user wont
have updates because he will be tracked down, or identified
and thus he's lost his registered copy.
A couple of things come to my mind now.

First, read again the post by 4oh4. Logic dictates, it's
his own fault, no matter how you look at it, and with
which of the possibilites.
The second, why should I care he lost $495 and his life
time updates ??
I didn't warez his copy, I didn't hurt him myself. As far
as I'm concerned, I donno this guy, so why should I care ??
You think I'm a fuck for saying that ?? Let me refer you
to my earlier post about deaths.

Let me ask you this: if an israeli person would get crushed
under a truck (let's say it's an israeli celebrity for the sake
of argument), and it somehow got to the press in your
country. You take a look either in the paper, TV or whatever
you like.
What is your opinion on it ?? Do you get pissed off about
it ? sure it's not nice to hear, but do you really get pissed
off about it ??

Now come and tell me, that a death is not worse than
a guy losing $495 and updates for life, out of HIS own
fault.

No place to feel sorry for him.

If he got hacked (the "4th" possibility), it's either he or
his admin did a lousy job of securing the system, OR
it was completely not his fault, in which case, if he could
prove it, DataRescue will surely take that into consideration.

Either it's his fault (which means he gets squat), or it's
not his fault (hard to prove, but then DataRescue will
not harm him, totally.. heh)

LS

Hello everybody !

I just downloaded IDA 4.15. It contains the following string in it's .KEY file:
"Thomas Wright, DVDMods, 1 user, special"

So what do we know about him? Typing "DVDMods Thomas" into google, we get two entries.

w*w.dvdmods.co.uk:
We know it's a company located in the UK.
They sell Modchips for DVD-Players.
They disable the DVD copy-protection.
They bypass the region code.

What do they do different than we do?

They use IDA to reverse some code they're not supposed to reverse, we do the same too.

So basically a reverser spent his money to give the 'scene' a present.

Why are we complaining about that? We help each other. That is what this board is supposed to do.

We should not talk about which of us are better and which not. We can't make someone change his attitude to some things.

Perhaps Thomas Wright is someone of us.
Perhaps he passed IDA to someone of us, who should help him with a problem in it.
Perhaps this someone distributed it.

Too many times "Perhaps".

I don't know.
I don't want to know.
I don't want to judge on this.

For me this post is closed.
For you this post could be closed, do what you think you must do.

Again, why are we complaining about that? We help each other. That is what this board is supposed to do.

I noticed the same in the IDA.key file. I'm going to stick to my own legit copy, ver 4.1.0.451.

Look waht Pierre has to say about it: h**p://www.datarescue.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000267.html

I've followed all the long posts here & I, as many ppl, landed to my own conclusions.
I think Crackz has gone away because he had no chances at all His identity is known. The circumstances about how he got from Datarescue this tool are known too. His activities far from having a low profile as they should be, were too much public. All we have known sometime dialogs like "Hey, you know where can I get this Dongle SDK?"...followed by "Sure, Crackz has it in his page for downloading, but he doesn't give the password to unpack it nor respond e-mails" were common place in the scene...making people to talk about him for years with no good comments...I'm openminded to help everybody newbies & experts [I guess] without discrimination. Nobody is better or worse than anybody. However I don't like this kind of people that think they're in the Olympus like holy cows believing themselves they are smarter than everybody at security soft companies because they have broken this or that protection.

[Sorry moderator for posting twice consecutively, but I have to resume this post... I won't post here again in several days]

......

The world and particularly this one is small enough..We all [almost] know ourselves & we know who's who. As Zen teaches you're a greater person when you feel you are really smaller...
Now it's clear enough that the main reason for Crackz to runaway is that Pierre and his company put his eyes over the big Mr. Wright's footprints that the alternative channel distribution of the software has produced. He seems to be angry with everybody in this bizz. But, all we know, he is only angry with himself. As I see He has cooked himself in his own cookin' oil...

Hi there
I read all thread and i decide to tell my opinion about all this...
and i say why to use the stolen version from ida 4.15?
if you want the latest's version go and buy
but i think ida 4.04 is the best options for all here

And now about Blade abd this : I think Crackz has gone away because he had no chances at all His identity is known. The circumstances about how he got from Datarescue this tool are known too. His activities far from having a low profile as they should be, were too much public. All we have known sometime dialogs like "Hey, you know where can I get this Dongle SDK?"...followed by "Sure, Crackz has it in his page for downloading, but he doesn't give the password to unpack it nor respond e-mails" were common place in the scene...making people to talk about him for years with no good comments...

You have try to ask him nicely ?
And ask me about comments and i tell you

Hiya,

Well I can't speak for other's experiences, but I had the audacity to email him for help on my first key-gen when I was a VERY green newbie and CrackZ not only responded, but had a look at the target and offered me some constructive help to boot.

Regards,
Clandestiny

Thanks for reply me Clandestiny
This goes to blade and i continue if ask something from him nicely you get help, crackz is very helpfull person ask enything you want but nicely

Regardz HypnoticZ

CrackZ made a huge mistake. Period. He shared his copy he deserved what he got. Especially since whomever he shared it with surely did not know him anywhere but on the internet. Because if I had a friend whom I had a non-internet relationship with that did that to me, he would be in more trouble than he coudl imagine. So the bottom line is that he pirated the software and is now complaining that everyone is pirating it. What is the difference? Yes, he lost his license and his name and location are now public. Taking his anger out on everyone in this way is a bit childish though instead of owning up and taking responsibility for his actions.

Once a cracker, always a cracker. He will be back. The internet is lame for those reasons. He can always resurface as someone else and right now it looks like that may be his only option. He will do it though. Can he keep his new identity secret without telling anyone since as he learned his lesson already you cannot trust anyone. Who knows. He will be back though, I can practically guarantee it. It is the way this internet world works that allows him this unique opportunity.

Snatch

Since CrackZ doesnt seem to be visiting to defend himself, I thought id just make two observations:

Firstly, for those complaining he doesnt respond to emails, remember that he already hosts one of the few truly useful reversing sites on the net. Is this not enough ? You think he has time to respond to every single email from people who only mail him for their own benefit ? He doesnt *owe* you anything. Hypnoticz is right.

Secondly, its dangerous to jump to conclusions about CrackZ being actually the guy whose IDA was compromised. If you knew CrackZ better, and you took the time to read his post (i mean, actually READ it), youd realise hes more voicing concern about the principality of the situation, rather than poor old Thomas himself. The whole childish attitude of 'I dont give a flying fuck about anyone I dont know personally' is fairly prevalent now, and its a real shame people think this way.

Regards

Carpii

I'll keep my response brief to this thread, since it didn't actually seem to have much life in it the last time I visited.

Firstly,

To blade : In 4 years of being on the web I have password protected a mere 5 SDK's, 4 of them FLEXlm and 1, SentinelLM, these downloads were for people who I knew that were really interested in these particular LM's, not for willy-nilly downloading by the masses, yes I could have hidden them, but to be honest with you they weren't really very well protected as many people pointed out to me (doh), and most that asked, received.

I will also say that during my time playing with this stuff I tried to help people, its hard faced with 2 line e-mails saying 'gimme password for this' to guage whether you are dealing with a serious reverse engineer or someone simply collecting downloads, see my IDA posts on this, the masses will download, only a handful will actually see any benefit.

Secondly,

To anyone else, please read the post of Carpathia below, it is perhaps far more eloquent than some of my lengthier posts on this matter and says what I probably should have written in the first place.

Regards

CrackZ.

Sorry for the double post.

I realise now that last line should have read 'above' and not below, /me mutters something about minor details .....

Regards

CrackZ.

Crackz

Since you seem to be reading this thread, please check out the thread on this forum on requests for copies of your site, which I downloaded just before you closed it. In my last post, I indicated I will not offer copies of the whole site, per Woodmann's request, but would be willing to pass on some individual files from the site at member's requests. Please give me your views on your preferences for any distribution of this material. I will honor your request, by either public or private message on what distribution I might make of those files.

Thanks for all of your efforts over the years and don't drop out completely, even if some of our readers fail to understand issues that exceed their grasp and/or personal interest.

On the IDA v4.15 Full issue: it seems to have been overlooked that the cracked demo version of v4.15, which although it dosen't have functionality for other systems found in the full version, still does most everything most of us here could likely need, and has been available for many months.

You see what I said earlier was a little harsh and a rather unfair attack on CrackZ. I do not deny that he has contributed a lot to the scene and has done much good stuff. He made a mistake by sharing his copy. You are right we do not know if it was his copy specifically that was stolen or not. We do know that he in fact shared it which is illegal and piracy no matter how you view it. I do not like that he judged people either and says this person is a serious reverser and should have this tool and this one should not. Grow up. If these masses want to download, let them. That is how people learn, curiousity that is. And you do seem to be one to promote learning. Who cares if they know why it is better or not. If they play around chances are they will figure it out. It was funny when I said I needed IDA Pro people tried to drill me down about why I needed a later version. When I responded people knew I had done my homework so they tried to offer alternate solutions. Hello. I am smart enough to know there are always alternate solutions. I came to ask about IDA Pro though. Oh well. I just wanted to say that yes CrackZ is a good guy who made a mistake. His actions lead us to believe a conclusion that may not be a good one but convince me in only one direction thus far. He has helped many people though and I do respect that. But his little opinion about this downloading of the masses I just have to disagree with. And yes when a new minor revision of WinAmp comes out, I will be the first to download it. To have the latest version, yes. But I always read the version history and see what I should expect to be different. Most people do that that I know. Thats what makes me excited to have a new version. I want to check out feature x or bug fix y.

Snatch

Snatch

One of the points I think that you're missing is that the copy
that was released didn't belong CrackZ. Look at what he's
written again, knowing that it wasn't his copy.

I don't know the full details of what happened though.

--nb.

I'm a big fan of IDA v4.04, but just decided to install v4.15 (cracked version) to see if it had anything else I needed in it. My conclusion is that v4.04 is just fine for me (less time for cracking these days => less need for a sophisticated disassembler). I noticed that the cracked 4.15 version has a major problem with it. When browsing the dead listing, if you right click on an address it usually brings up the context menu. If you have IDA open long enough, you're sure to press both the right and left mouse buttons in some order while you're browsing code, but this seems to kill the program

I'm not sure if this is a byproduct of a faulty patch, but it sure is annoying to left click on a piece of assembly code and have the entire program quit. This makes me want to buy the program even more now, but it'll have to wait until other payments have ended Anyone else have this problem?

Well I have a good use for it.. disassemble my DVD player's ROM which is based on a ST20 processor (so I can finally stop writing my own ST20 disassembler)

Hellou CrackZ

If i remember there was full HIEW version on your site some time ago and you are talking about stolen IDA copy, no comment...

Who the hell digs out 10 month old threads ?

Hello everybody !

If you look at the posts' dates, you'll notice that they're ten months in the past.

There were split opinions about the topic and we were quite happy when this topic wasn't topic No. 1 to talk about any more.

bart, CrackZ had a full copy of HIEW on his page, but without the HIEW.KEY file which identified the user, and a keygen for an older version. In IDA you need the IDA.KEY file to run IDA, not like in HIEW, and you can track every copy back to the user with help of the ingrained signatures in IDA and the belonging modules. I hope you see the difference between both cases.

I'm sure that in the interest of all members as well as in respect towards CrackZ we should not start discussing if it was good or bad again.

Well, JimmyClif was the first one.

Ya I agree why not just close this thread it really is old and past us all now. Leave the past in the past and stop resurecting old threads.

Snatch

I agree.

This is old news.

Peace, Woodmann