I have Win2k, ATI 9800 Pro, and SoftIce DriverSuite 3.0...

When i switched to my 9800 pro from a geforce3ti500 it would reboot when i would drop into softice. I have tried everything i could possibly think of to fix this. It is either driver or video related since it worked fine with my old card. Ive formatted 3 times and tried WinXP as well... Nothing i did fixed this problem and i am out of resources. Please help. Thanks

The search is broken and I really dont want to manually search. I have looked everywhere and using anything and everything i can to fix this problem. I may have posted here before, but i cant remember.

In what way is the search broken? I just searched for "softice video" and got a lot of nice hits.

Anyway, have you tried both the universal vga mode and the mode specific to your graphics card in Softice?

Maybe his IE is fucked .it works for me

Searching works, but i didnt find anything relevant to my issue. And if i did it was unanswered. Believe me i looked everywhere... im getting no where with this..

Yes i tried universal and standard vga.. VGA doesnt even work, reboots my pc.

If i use softice in windows it works fine. If i use it in full-screen games it reboots my pc...

Be more specific how, what do you need to know?

I have an ATI 9800 Pro. Ive used the 3.6 to 3.9 drivers to no avail.

I also had 2 motherboard/chips too. P4 and AMD... didnt work on either (On AMD right now)

I have the same problem with my radeon 7500 (mobility). Using driver studio 2.7

The only viable solution I found was to debug full-screen games on another computer (which has a geforce2).

I'm almost certain that the problem is related to ati cards.. so unless better support is offered for those cards, there is little you can do..

I cant debug on another PC cus i dont have 2 PCs at my disposal. This really pisses me off =\

There are 3 things to understand to understand that SoftICE runs correctly in the order of importance:

1. SoftICE version
2. Video Driver
3. Processor version
4. Video Memory

1. SoftICE version
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If you are using standalone versions of Softice (such as softice for winnt 4.05 etc) you will find that its a hit and miss affair. If it runs it runs, else it may not. No one can determine the reason why. My suggestions is to move over to DriverStudio 3.0. Use that in conjunction with Windows XP Professional and it will work just good

2. Video Version
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While the supported video cards may run, its always a good point to run in Universal mode. And remember, softice PATCHES the video drivers so:

THE WRONG PROCEDURE:
1. Machine with GeoForce
2. Softice installed and working fine
3. GeoForce removed
4. ATI plugged in
5. Machine screwed

THE CORRECT PROCEDURE:
1. Machine with GeoForce
2. Softice installed and working fine
<HERE:: Uninstall Softice and remove all registry keys related to Numega or Compuware>
3. GeoForce removed
4. ATI plugged in
5. SoftICE reinstalled
6. Everything OK

3. Processor Version
--------------------
Can't really say whether the ICE will work on AMDs. I've seen lots of people with AMD who have some problem or the other with ICE. But worthwhile trying to install the same in a Intel based machine.


4. Video Memory
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Wuh?? Yup I know. Go to Symbol Loader and open initialization settings. See the video memory there? INCREASE it. The box that is drawn on your screen is taken from the video memory. So if you are rebooted in the full screen mode, its not able to find enough memory to draw the screen. Increase the memory to about x4 times and you should be fine.

Have Phun

Ive used Driver Studio 2.7 and 3.0

Ive formatted 3 times. Installed 2k, XP, then 2k.

Tried it on a P4 as well.

Havent tried it, will do now. Thanks.

Mind you the ATI 9800 Pro has 128mb of RAM, and the GF3 had 64 or 32 i believe.

I changed the vid ram from 2048 to 8196 or whatever the exact value is. Didnt work. I then took off Trap NMI... didnt work either.

I have a similar problem. Whenever i start the ntice service (DriverStudio 3.0.1) my machine freezes.

This box is running with an AMD and a GeForce 3. It's the first installation of any compuware tools I do on this exact box, so it's probably not an issue due to changed hardware.

The OS is WinXP Pro just in case you're wondering.

I have tried using the Universal Video Driver and the nvidia one, but the nvidia automagically reboots my PC even before starting windows (just when the softice video driver is loaded). The Universal video driver simply lets me start WinXP but when I run the ntice service it freezes the whole box and I have to turn my PC off and on again.

Any idea if there's any workaround?

My 2 cents worth.......

In my travels I have found problems with SI on any
home built comp that I have ever had with any kind
of video card that was not the most minimal.
Someone said it best-- it's a run or no run situation.
Unless you want to spend a rather large amount of
time trying fix it, get a cheap old slow piece of shit
and work on that. I wish I could show you the
2 video cards and one motherB I smashed in a fit of RAGE.
(no pun intended)

Woodmann

I have the film, if anyone wants to see it.

It is rather funny to see an OBC, attempting to yank out what hair his has left, red in the face, wearing heavy boots, and jumping up and down on a poor video card and motherboard that have "refused" his instructions to "work" as he had wished. As an added bonus, if you order now, you can also learn some great curse words, if your vocabulary is limited in that area.

Available for a nonimal fee and the usual, exorbidant, "shipping and handling."

Regards.

Ummmmm..........

I see I am the target of the moderators vitrol (oh look another big word)

SI is sometimes so touchy, if you look at it wrong
it has a tantrum and goes all funky.
Everyone has a story about it. Lets hear them.

Woodmann

Hell yeah!

SI is a bitch when it comes to running it on rather recent configurations. The best I could do was to have it running on an AMD box with the same GeForce 3 card but with Windows 2000 Pro. I was using DriverSuite 2.7 at that time.

I guess that the biggest problem is Win XP as always. There's something that is happily freezing my box under that OS.

I've also tried patching with the latest OS datafiles from Compuware but this has not solved my issues at all. I'm going to try installing 3.0 on another box with a P3 and a Matrox card.. let's see if this works.. but even if it does it's still a problem since I cannot use my home machine to debug and that's a real pain in the arse.

BTW this could also be a problem due to the fact that DS 3.0.1 is supporting Win XP SP1 and not SP2 which is the one running on my boxes.

Hi, guys
There is a long time now (in fact when i upgrade to XP for the first time), i had this prob. Sometimes PC froze, Sometimes it reboot !

At this time i was using DS 2.7 on an AMD ATHLON 1.7Ghz with an NVIDIA GF2 CARD, motherboard was MSI MS-6380 (yes a VIA chipset based one).

I've found the problem trying and truing again:

The problem was the VIA 4IN1 driver, exactly the AGP Driver, then in order to work with SI and XP SP1, i had to remove this patch driver from my system.

After removing this nasty patch (provided by VIA), i never had any problem !

I'm now using an AMD ATHLON XP 2800+, MSI motherboard too and i have DS 3.01 under XP SP1 (i've not used the nasty patch driver) and all work like a charm.

Hope this help !

I dont have VIA on my mobo. Its nforce2. The thing is i had 2 mobos.

1 was a p4 with via i believe
this one is amd with nforce2. If theres a way to uninstall the AGP thing on this nforce2 board lemme know

MSI K7N2.

OK, MSI K7N2 you can try to reinstall XP and never install the AGP patch !

Ill try to find an nforce2 uninstaller program, no need to format and reinstall windows 2000, i hate XP.

I never installed the VIA AGP drivers, too.. but it could be that they got installed during a Win XP patch or seomthing like that. I'll have a better look at that issue when I get back home.

For statistical purpouses:

- My PC at the office which is a P3 on an Intel-based mobo works fine with SoftIce v3.x
- The same version on my home PC (AMD Athlon) does not work.

And I have not installed any VIA driver at all. No traces anywhere in my system directory.

I run s-ice (ds. 2.7) on a ati 9800-blabla too. I used to run it on a p2 + viper550 + win98/win2k/winxp, where it ran fine. but on the pc of my brother it didn't work on his athlon + viper770. and on a friend of me it ran on a P3 + viper770...

maybe this illustrates that running and finding out what goes wrong with sice isn't a trivial job

Hi..

I have win 98 (yeap.. still), AMD Athlon 2.600, Ati Radeon 7500

I can't change SO yet because so progs of mine just work under 98.

SIce 4.05, so it was working at older pc, P III Gforce 2 MMX

Now i got problem... when i pressed Ctrl+D Sice doesn't pop up. I run Loader32 and it show me that Sice was loaded, but it's not pop up

Try older pci cards or the one it works in your older pc.Please use the search button before posting anyhing and READ THE FAQ

Dude... i read everything that i found in this forum....

I've tryied almost all...

So i asking to get hlep...

And I ca'tn get older pci video

what about changing the settings of vga using Universal in softice?

Searching the forum gives you many hits!!!!!

I tryied this...

Universal vga and ATI drivers

in the winice.dat
PENTIUM=OFF

Uninstall all drivers of ATI and just install Ati video card.


i think that's all

change the display settings in the control panel to 256 or 16 colors
give a try

ok... but i'm working now...
At soon as possible i'll give a try

tkz for all, ans sorry for something..
but but today is a long a week trying to do this working...

Do you think that i install another OS like W2K is better?

Well as far as I know win98se is the best for using softice(for myself ).Anyway good luck

sooo.... ehhehe

I'm here boring you again...

When i load Sice at the boot up... 2 process of Sice must be in memory, right? (i don't know if it is processes, programs....)

it's something like NTSice and another one that i can't remember now...

My doubt is, if i press Ctrl+alt+del (win98) must i see that 2 guys?

no processes you mean VXD'S right should be 3 ( long time useing Tux) if i remember right-> SICE,SIWVID, if a third could'n remember
enter sice type vxd

Holy Sh#!@#!!!!

I still angry with my softice... so i discovered in manuals of numega.. that it doesn't support keyboard/mouse USB.... someone could confirm?

I think my pc is against SoftIce...

Ok.. I'll keeping relating my probs here...

if someone got keyboard or mouse USB and SICE working... please warning me....

I'm run after a keyboard and mouse ps2 now...

I have DS 2.7 in windows XP. Laptop. It works with a USB mouse, 90% of the time.
when it gets bad, starts showing like crazy that bloody right button context menu of Sice.

Ergo: it CAN work with USB mouse (Mice?) at least. dunno KB

ok man...

Tkz for tell me. (but i think i'll try to change my keyboard and mouse, just to test)




Unhapply my SICE is down yet.
ufff uffff i'm tired for today...

News!!

Well it still not working but unless, it appears, Yesterday when i got close IE, SICE pop up and freeze all.

I think you should use a clean installation of windows before installing softice

Many programs might affect in the background.You MUST BE SURE that your
softice is for win98,I know there's a NTversion 4.05

I think that's the least we can help

Regards

Gochtaaaaaaa!!!!

Finally, sotfice pop up... and with out errors... ehehhehe

I just discovery the problem... and i so angry my problem is not Video card, AGP, 4in1, nothing like that it's more bizarre... it was my Keyboard USB, today i got a keyboard ps2 and i change and reboot... so Softice Popup

I dont know if is my model of keyboard or wht.. but just to know it is a Keyboard multimedia (portuguese, unhapply but i never use its driver), Black, manufacture = Dr. Hank

Ok.. Tkz for all and everybody.

Now my doubt will be about how to use SICE.... hehehehe, but i have a lot of stuff to read and learn...

Tkz..