View Full Version : HOLY CRAP ;)
JimmyClif
October 18th, 2004, 21:58
A new Logo! Well done!

JMI
October 18th, 2004, 22:09
Sure. Budda's always like things which are self-reflective.
Regards,
lifewire
October 19th, 2004, 09:20
not to insult anybody, but what about making the background the same color (purple) as the background color of the forum? now it looks like "we found a picture on the internet and pasted it into our page".
JimmyClif
October 19th, 2004, 10:49
Lifewire, it is the same color. I guess you're using IE

and IE has problems displaying transparency in png's.
lifewire
October 19th, 2004, 12:44
yes, I do. that explains a lot
this is what i see:
JMI
October 19th, 2004, 13:12
Well shoot. Now I'm going to have to load Opera again and see what it "really" looks like.

I use IE also.
Regards,
Kayaker
October 19th, 2004, 13:31
It's not quite as ugly as you thought now is it?

Silver
October 19th, 2004, 13:52
........
You see, in this post I originally said something so amazingly dumb I was quite embarassed. Unfortunately you can't delete your own posts in this forum, so now I'm forced to write something to cover up my dumbnicity.
Move along, nothing to see here.
Woodmann
October 19th, 2004, 14:42
Ummmmmm........
That is the finest cut and paste job I ever seen
TA TA
Oh yes, please feel free to provide some ideas as to what you all think the logo should look like.
One last edit.... The logo does look like ass with IE. Why does IE not properly support .png transparencies correctly?
dELTA
October 19th, 2004, 15:38
Hmm, I just noticed something about the logo when comparing the two screenshots. It seems like transparent png:s support something like alpha values, you know like "degree of transparency", contrary to transparent gifs? Is that correct, or is it only some side effect of the IE bug? (Here's your chance to say something useful instead Silver, oh local graphics guru

).
JMI
October 19th, 2004, 16:42
Well now that I've seen it using Opera, I'm not sure I like the transparent one as much as what IE shows. But there is still plenty of time to play with it and get feedback.
Regards,
Woodmann
October 19th, 2004, 17:37
The logo has been changed to some generic thing for those of you who use IE
Woodmann
JMI
October 19th, 2004, 18:28
It's alive. It's alive. It's changing and changing. Oh what ever will it become next? Only the Shadow knows.
Regards,
naides
October 19th, 2004, 19:54
it looked better before!

Woodmann
October 19th, 2004, 21:01
And so it shall be.... before

JMI
October 19th, 2004, 21:09
Ahmen.
Regards,
disavowed
October 20th, 2004, 00:03
Quote:
[Originally Posted by Woodmann]Why does IE not properly support .png transparencies correctly? |
it's not that IE doesn't support .png transparencies correctly; it's that IE doesn't support .png transparencies. so it's not a bug; it's a lacking feature.
kugi
October 20th, 2004, 02:21
Nice logo. Thanks for the good work.
Regards, kugi
Silver
October 20th, 2004, 08:57
Quote:
Hmm, I just noticed something about the logo when comparing the two screenshots. It seems like transparent png:s support something like alpha values, you know like "degree of transparency", contrary to transparent gifs? Is that correct, or is it only some side effect of the IE bug? (Here's your chance to say something useful instead Silver, oh local graphics guru ). |
Hey! I'm useful, finally!
PNG's are a 32bit image format, using a DWORD to represent each pixel. 8 bits (each) for Red Green and Blue channels. The highest 8 bits of the DWORD are alpha, corresponding from 0 to 255 (256 levels of transparency, 255 being opaque and 0 being transparent). The RGB value of the pixel at the current location in the framebuffer is sampled, and then combined with the pixel about to be written using (usually, this is the relevant one GDI+ and DX use) this equation: N = (1 - Rs, 1 - Gs, 1 - Bs, 1 - As), where N is the resultant blend and s is the source pixel value (the one already in the framebuffer).
As for why IE doesn't render it properly, it's because it's crap. (I like brackets). I believe PNG is different to GIF in that GIF specifies the RGB of the "transparent colour" in the file header, whereas PNG specifies alpha per pixel. So, major difference if you're coding your own.
dELTA
October 20th, 2004, 11:12
Ok, cool, as suspected then.

Thanks Silver, I knew we could count on you.

And about the "useful", I was referring to your earlier post in this thread, you are normally quite "useful" indeed.

bilbo
October 20th, 2004, 11:56
Well, there are many solutions on the net to enable transparency in IE (independently on the fact that IE is probably crap - as Silver said).
IMHO the most practical one for us readers (since we do not need to make anything to enable the transparency: it is just an operation in the server) is reported at http://www.mongus.net/pngInfo/.
Try to load that page in IE, and you will see those transparencies... Well, I would have preferred some more human... feminine... picture, as a demo, but it works anyway...
Regards, bilbo
Disclaimer: I'm using Opera, not IE...
dELTA
October 20th, 2004, 12:05
Cool hack.

Using a DirectX transform, through a COM-object, through a javascript, through a cascading style sheet.
Sadly, the "cooler" a hack is in this way, the more likely it is to cause trouble in some browsers, so I'm not sure I dare upload it to the server and having it loaded on every page of the board.

nikolatesla20
October 20th, 2004, 15:29
I like that hack. DO IIIIIT.
Or you could use <O MY GOD !!!> A .GIF !!
-nt20
Woodmann
October 20th, 2004, 16:27
I tried the gif with alleged transparency and you lose a lot of detail, it looks like ass.
Maybe I can find another way.
Woodmann
I found another way

It is a hack I found that works, not the best but the easiest.
JMI
October 20th, 2004, 19:07
Now it actually looks a little better to me in IE than when using Opera.
Regards,
bilbo
October 21st, 2004, 01:44
Good job!
Thanks to Woodmann for digging out the nice hack (an only-JavaScript hack) and to http://homepage.ntlworld.com/bobosola/ for having written it (a nice JS tutorial, including the dragdrop library from www.walterzorn.com).
bilbo
esther
October 21st, 2004, 04:11
Just like the former ones

lifewire
October 21st, 2004, 04:49
Now it looks good on IE, or at least, I guess that it looks as supposed

(one can debate how the colors grey-blue, brown and purple mix...)
Silver
October 21st, 2004, 06:33
Who cares... it's got *gasp* reflections!
Looks cool, nice job Mr W.
dELTA
October 21st, 2004, 09:43
Quote:
Or you could use <O MY GOD !!!> A .GIF !! |
Just like Woodmann implies, the alpha blending feature of png:s discussed above makes them infinitely superior to transparent gif:s, which can't really be used for anything nice looking regarding transparency with more than one possible page background color (which is the case with the different skins here at the forum).
Woodmann
October 21st, 2004, 16:11
Howdy,
My thanks to bilbo for digging up the info.
I just searched through it until I found the easy hack.
It is in fact the Osola hack, I couldnt remember where I found it.
Even if it is just a cut and paste logo, it is better then looking at
that vbulletin logo which, I believe, I have been looking at for damn near 4 years
Woodmann
TBone
October 21st, 2004, 19:13
Hmmm. I've always wanted to try this:
TBone
October 21st, 2004, 19:18
Bah. That sucks without some kind of background. You lose the effect on a gray background.
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