When in the heck did we become a .net? After numerous failed attempts to check in - I read this unpleasant news earlier this weekend and thought the worst! Anyway I hate to always be the bearer of bad news, (I'm sure JMI has read this it's been posted on exetools), for those interested - http://www.usdoj.gov/opa/pr/2005/June/05_crm_353.htm (http://)

SiGiNT

Hi,

We have been a .net for 2 years ????

Anyway, for some reason our DNS is no longer
pointing to us. I am trying to rectify the problem.

The cjb redirector is giving me a hard time so write this down:

207.218.156.34/forum/

Woodmann

Woodmann

Sorry to hear about the ISP problems - I've been using woodmann.com forever, even if you do a search on google you'll see that pretty much all the hits are for woodmann.com - the good news is finally we're up and running again, (hopefully for good).

SiGiNT

The .net registration is the original "location" when tsehp was the Admin. When he left, his re-director was for awhile set to a different location, so Woodmann registered woodmann.com.

Now, when DNS is working properly, woodmann.com, woodmann.cjb.net and even tsehp.cjb.net all lead back here.

Regards,

good to be back. I closed my temp forums.

Actually, woodmann.com was the original address, and we switched to woodmann.net for a while during some DNS problems. But you're old and your memory is weak, so we all forgive you. Now we have both addresses anyway, even though the original woodmann.com is more of the "main address".

And Zero, thanks for covering for us with the temp forums as always.

Gentlemen (and any Ladies in attendance):

Please forgive our young Prince, his brain is still developing and he has had a recent serious infection (obviously from shooting himself in the foot (again) while hunting on his vast country estates) and it has affected his memory and thought processes.

Had he NOT been in this weakened condition and had his brain been fully functional, he would have noted that the reference in my previous post was harkening back to the time when "tsehp" was the "administrator" of this Forum and while there came a time when our generous (and fearless)Woodmann was financing the Board, he was originally doing so behind the scene and his illustrious and honored name was not "directly" associated with the "address" of the Forum, either by way of a "Woodmann.com" OR a "Woodmann.net".

Had the young Prince's brain been fully functional, he would have, no doubt, recalled that at the time that tsehp and Woodmann reached a difference of "world political view," which resulted in tsehp's withdrawal from participation in the Forum, our main address was actually: "fraviamb.cjb.net" and/or "tsehp.cjb.net." See, for example:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=fraviamb.cjb.net

Had he, in his weakened state, recalled this fact, he would then have also recalled that tsehp, in a fit of sillyness, reset both the "fraviamb" and "tsehp" redirectors to point to Microsoft websites. And, if, before he attempted to bite off his foot in his current state of mild delirium, he had actually checked "http://fraviamb.cjb.net/" and/or "http://tsehp.cjb.net," he would also have been assured that while tsehp has reset "http://tsehp.cjb.net" to again point back here, "http://fraviamb.cjb.net/" still redirect one to a Microsoft page. (Go ahead my Prince, make my day )

And, of course, it was only "after" Woodmann because both the "official" financier and titular head of organization and we moved the server, that the "woodmann.something" came into general use. But what do I know, I’m "old" and my "memory is weak."

Regards,

Come and gather 'round my childrens, I have a tale to tell

Twas back in the day, oh say 1999/2000. My father had decided to retire from the world of reverse engineering. He had asked that all his information be removed from the internet. Many people became upset but, they all honored his request. After some discussions he agreed to allow myself and +T to honor him and keep the information free for everyone to see. I have heard he is most pleased with how everything worked out.

At this point, woodmann.com was just a piss hole in the snow. It just so happened I was doing nothing with it so myself and +T chose to use my webspace since it was all paid for.

At this time we kept the fraviamb.cjb.net and tsehp.cjb.net as redirectors but not for the reason I use woodmann.cjb.
It was done because of the attacks that +F had endured and he had been forced to move into a more secure situation. I use the redirector because people like to quote references from the DMCA, so as you all know I have had to move a few times.
This is why you should always use the .cjb redirector when you cannot find this place.

OK, back to the story. It was always woodmann.com, it just wasnt known that way. You all started to use the direct link when .cjb started using advertising.
If I recall this was around the time the old redirectors stopped working which, I think was some time in 2002?

So it was more like a combination of things in a short time span that caused it to be called woodmann.com.

Now, I think it was the spring of 2003 that we had to move a couple of times in 2-3 months. I was having problems getting woodmann.com to point correctly so I bought woodmann.net to use instead.
Since the summer of 2003, both names have pointed to the same place.

It is true that I did stay in the back ground for the early years, (pre-2003).
BUT,the use of woodmann.com was because of .cjb using advertising and the old redirectors becoming obsolete.

I think that is a fairly accurate assesment without causing any liable

Woodmann

Hey Woody:

How did you like the way I described the "difference of 'world political view' " as the reason for tsehp's decision to leave the Forum.

We are all most grateful our very own OBC has devoted so much time and effort to keep this venture "on the air" as long as it has been. Life would, somehow, seem "lesser" without this place.

Regards,

I took your idea/intent and applied it to my own words

Woodmann

Well, I don't know if this exactly counts as "making someone's day", but just as I said (and as Woodmann indeed just confirmed) woodmann.com has been the domain name of the server since the very beginning, no matter if several redirectors like cjb.net have also been used to point at the woodmann.com domain for most of the time, but the redirectors were never the topic of this discussion from the start, it was about the woodmann.com/net domain (i.e. the "real" name of the server, not some forwarding, non-DNS-bound redirector service), so maybe I'm not that delirious after all...

Fravia's your dad!?

Ah my Prince:

Once again I beg to differ. As Poppa Woody has said: "It was always woodmann.com, it just wasnt known that way" and I was discussing "how it was known." The coversation really wasn't about what the "registration" behind the forum name was, or even whether there was, or was not a woodmann.com or woodmann.net, but about whether or not one used "woodmann.com and/or woodmann.net" for accessing the Forum "back in the day."

As I recall, "back in the day" the "links" to the Forum were much like they are today. Today they still do not list "woodmann.com or woodmann.net" although those names are "linked" to the site. Today they are:

http://woodmann.cjb.net
Direct link : http://207.218.156.34/forum/

and before they were essentially the same, except the IP of the server would be different.

Although woodmann.com was an existing domain name, as Woody said "it wasn't known that way." Back in 2001 and into early 2002 I do not recall our using "woodmann.com" as a common method of reaching the Forums. I believe, and I believe Woodmann confirmed, that when cjb began to include advertising with clicking one of their redirectors, that we listed the IP (not woodmann.com) as the alternate "direct" link to the Forums.

Regards,

You just love to try and aggravate dELTA.

You are both correct and you are both wrong.

I propose this question to you :

Which came first ???? The chicken or the egg???

To put you onto an advanced path consider this:
If the chicken came first, where did it come from ??
If the egg came first, what laid the egg ??

Perhaps there is no known answer ??

Have at it.
Woodmann

Why do people keep picking on the chicken? That's way too far up the evolutionary scale for that analogy to carry any weight. We have to go much further back, which came first, the dinosaur or the dinosaur egg? No, that's still too soon. Fish or fish eggs? Getting closer...

If we were still reproducing asexually we wouldn't be having this dilemma. The early evolutionary stages of sexual reproduction, which we can all be grateful occurred, may simply have meant a complete fusion of two individuals followed by meiosis to produce a genetic diversity. This occurs in many Protozoans such as flagellates. Pretty boring. Ciliates make it a bit more exciting at least, they reproduce by 'conjugation' where they come together in an oh so gentle embrace, exchange nuclear material, separate and then undergo division.

This is fine if you can find another mildy appealing bag of protoplasm floating around the primordial soup, with which you can come into physical contact with and share your bodily fluids. But what if you're say a sponge stuck to a rock? Well then you're going to have to spew your sperm into the currents like seeds in the wind and see where it takes them. Sort of like bar cruising. At the same time, since you're hermaphroditic, you'll also be picking up other sponges' spermatozoid offerings via an amoebocyte, a specialized cell which will fuse with your egg. Congratulations, you're a proud mother and father.

OK, we've already got an internally fertilized egg and embryonic development, and it's probably still early in the Cambrian period, your gastrula rejoice! 600 million years of evolutionary morphing later, and it's not a great leap to chickens and horny roosters. It's simple - the chicken came first, it's just changed its way of laying eggs.


Kayaker

Well said Kayaker.

But didn't the dinosaur come first and evolve into the chicken? And let's not forget that important role of the roster. Otherwise, we only have an omlet. Right?

Regards,

Don't remember the evelution of the current forum address. Do know that it takes a good deal of work and dedication to keep the the forum going. Congratulations and thanks!

Regards, kugi

Yet again, I must beg your excuse for not "making an old man's day", but I have always from the very beginning used the woodmann.com address directly, and most likely also many people with me. This in turn is most likely because all internal links on the server have always used the "woodmann.com" address, the cjb redirectors have always just been an "alternative entrypoint" at the most (even though people have been instructed on the front page to use it as an initial entrypoint in case the server would move), while woodmann.com has always been the true OEP.

Please see these archives:

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.woodmann.com

and

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://tsehp.cjb.net

They prove both that all internal and "direct links" have always used "woodmann.com", and also answer the question about which address was "known first".

Now, will you stop badgering a young price?

Nope:

If you actually LOOKED at the links listed for "woodmann.com" you would see that until 2003 they ALL show a page from the +Fravia's (and later Teshp's) "Reversers Archive of Reverse Code Engineering." And they state at the top of the display page:

Always link to http://tsehp.cjb.net
to prevent mirror's cut down.

reverser's msgboard address :

fraviaMB.cjb.net

and, during those times, the essays were found at:

To get new essays, please subscribe to http://rekml.cjb.net/
Site updated on the what_new page
Send new essays to tsehp(remove this)@yah(remove)oo.com

Actually, the first one there which I saw which actually has ANY mention of "Woodmann" to the public was the link dated May 31, 2003. which contains:

Always link to woodmann.cjb.net to always know where we are.

Reverse engineering messageboard address : 66.98.132.48/forum/
Site updated on the what_new page
Send new essays to rce@planetwave.net

The first one I see with mention of "woodmann.com" is the one from September 31, 2003 (although the two above it might actually mention it, if they actually opened). This one actually shows the Forum, in something resembling the current configuration, and lists:

Just in case...Please update your bookmarks to http://woodmann.cjb.net Direct link : http://www.woodmann.com/upload/

So we actually are back to the original point, which was that this place was not "known" for its association to "woodmann.com" until after Tsehp left, whether or not YOU always linked to the "domain name" which was not generally "disclosed" or "advertised" to the general public.

But, my Prince, we still love you anyway.

Regards,

What hath I wrought?

SiGiNT

BAHAHHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaa.....

Chicken ameobas and bags of protojizz.......
I sense a long protracted discussion about evolution and creationism ?

Dad always told me not to talk to your friends about religion and politics so,
for the sake of humanity I must put a stop to this madness

You bastard siginit33

Woodmann

Oh, one other thing.
Getting into an argument with grampy is a no win situation.
Old people will never aknowledge that they are wrong because then they would have to face the reality that they are old and memory is fading.
JMI, they are called "assisted living community's". You might want to look into the benefits they have to offer.

Woodmann

I know it said that on the front page, but as I said, this is just a redirecting entry point to be able to find the server if it it moved. All links on the entire website from the very beginning point to woodmann.com, so I'd really think that would count as a "mention". Just because there exists some entry point, e.g. a bookmark on your desktop saying "that cool reversing site", pointing to woodmann.com, the server name is still woodmann.com and not "that cool reversing site", ok?

Yeah, tell me about it... But yeah, we still love him anyway too.

It seems our young Prince was so intent on trying to have the last word that he chose to ignore that the Boss OBC CLOSED the Thread.

And since he is right "in his own mind," that is really all that matters, and I will refrain from further addressing the point of the debate, other than to demonstrate that I, also, can post in closed Threads.

Regards,

Hey, so can I! Is it some kind of superpower we got when exposed to that cosmic storm and turned into moderators?

Yup, the same cosmic rays that gave the Fantastic Four their awesome powers. You should also be able to stretch your body into any shape imaginable, turn invisible and project powerful force fields, engulf your body in flames and take flight, and you should also be an immensely strong orange-colored, rock-like creature. All in addition to being able to delete lame posts as well! If you can't do all of the above, please drop by for another treatment Mike...

You bastards