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nikolatesla20
February 1st, 2006, 17:53
Is it just me or does anyone else notice that each IDA release has some major bugs that end up breaking past functionality ... is there any testing that goes on ?....crikey..sometimes it does not feel very professional.
-nt20
bart
February 1st, 2006, 19:44
it reminds me of microsoft

, they force you to buy their upgraded software so you can run some shity app that desperately needs one new single api function
LLXX
February 2nd, 2006, 04:20
I don't feel the need to always have the latest version of software (one of +Fravia's teachings...) In fact I'm still using IDA v3.6, it works well for what I use it for.
quasar
February 2nd, 2006, 04:28
I'm using IDA Freeware 4.3 and it does the job

Polaris
February 2nd, 2006, 14:36
Quote:
[Originally Posted by nikolatesla20]Is it just me or does anyone else notice that each IDA release has some major bugs that end up breaking past functionality ... is there any testing that goes on ?....crikey..sometimes it does not feel very professional.
-nt20 |
Well, actually they have a beta-test program, but you have to be an "old-time" customer to be part of that... But hey, bugs are common in software

Rummy
February 3rd, 2006, 00:27
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[Originally Posted by LLXX]I don't feel the need to always have the latest version of software (one of +Fravia's teachings...) In fact I'm still using IDA v3.6, it works well for what I use it for. |
Amen to that.
nikolatesla20
February 3rd, 2006, 11:56
Does 3.6 support FLIRT...is it DOS? what about IDC scripts..
-nt20
LLXX
February 4th, 2006, 02:57
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[Originally Posted by nikolatesla20]Does 3.6 support FLIRT...is it DOS? what about IDC scripts..
-nt20 |
It was the first IDA to support FLIRT... and it runs under "32-bit Windows native disassembly environment (console)". It also has IDC support too.
Polaris
February 4th, 2006, 03:49
Hmmm... But why you don't stick with freeware 4.3? Or with freeware 4.1? Maybe you need additional processors?
nikolatesla20
February 4th, 2006, 20:20
Well so far I only need x86 if the freeware version does that then that is all I would need

oep
February 5th, 2006, 10:01
just waiting for the NEW retail of IDA, ie.4.9 ,
best regards
yours oep
Polaris
February 5th, 2006, 11:09
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[Originally Posted by nikolatesla20]Well so far I only need x86 if the freeware version does that then that is all I would need  |
The freeware 4.3 is really cool - is version 4.30 with just x86 as a processor.... I think you can also tweak it to make it work with SDK 4.30 (that you can fetch from the web)...
PS: Am I the only one experiencing problems with smilies? I can't use the smilies panel to insert them...
JMI
February 5th, 2006, 14:15
Polaris:
The Smilies are there on the right for your "original" Post. However, in this version of vBulletin, when you "Edit," as you did, the "Edit" window "opens" inside the original Post window. When it does this, there is no "Smilies" or Text altering "view."
But if you want those things for your Edit, just hit the "Go Advanced" button and the "full" Edit window, with Smilies and text altering Button will "Appear."
Regards,
Polaris
February 5th, 2006, 14:38
JMI, I am not SO dumb - The problem is that, even now that I am just replying using the full reply form, I see on my right the list of Smilies BUT they are not working... Also the smilies drop down menu on top of the editing box is grayed out.
I am running a brand new Firefox 1.5.0.1.
EDIT: I just checked using IE, and the smilies where working correctly... So it is a Firefox 1.5.0.1 - related issue.
naides
February 5th, 2006, 15:58
SiGiNT
February 5th, 2006, 16:27
Test
Firefox 1.5.0.1 - and yes right out of the box!
SiGiNT
JMI
February 5th, 2006, 17:28
Polaris:
No one thought you were dumb. When I first used the quick edit I wondered where the smilies had gone.
However, researching this issue on vBulletin.org I have seen the Staff most frequently making this suggestion for problems with Firefox not handling the Smilies correctly:
"If this only happens with FireFox then it's an FireFox issue. As I said there are some known problems with FF 1.5 and some FF extensions."
"Have them refresh the page using Ctrl + F5.
Possibly they have some old JavaScript code cached."
Regards,
LLXX
February 5th, 2006, 17:33
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[Originally Posted by Polaris]Hmmm... But why you don't stick with freeware 4.3? Or with freeware 4.1? Maybe you need additional processors? |
DVD players and VCRs don't run on x86
I've "cracked" the firmware on my DVD player to enable region-codes and disable the copy-protection signal output, and modded my VCR's BIOS to give the screen display a better GUI

Polaris
February 6th, 2006, 01:45
@@JMI:
Then maybe I am a bit DUMB

Now everything is fine.
@@LLXX:
The fact that you are disassembling uncommon processor's stuff does not explain it: why using a old leaked version when you can use a newer leaked version? I have used 4.17 leaked for a lot of time and had never any problems. Also release 4.30 and 4.6SP1 are quite stable.
nikolatesla20
February 6th, 2006, 09:22
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[Originally Posted by LLXX]DVD players and VCRs don't run on x86 
I've "cracked" the firmware on my DVD player to enable region-codes and disable the copy-protection signal output, and modded my VCR's BIOS to give the screen display a better GUI  |
Now that is pretty impressive. Of course that means you must have had EPROM buring equipment and the like as well (perhaps at your place of employment?), but that is cool nonetheless!
-nt20
SiGiNT
February 6th, 2006, 10:12
LLXX,
I'd like to know the details of what you did, if I could setup a dvd to dvd arrangement with the various machines I have around here it would be far better than searching for new versions of the stuff that's available on the web, I have 2 grandkids and we need to keep 2 copies of everything one at their house and one here - the D15n3y stuff is especially well protected - if you get the time please write up a summary, the EEPROM burner is no problem. I can build my own.
SiGiNT
LLXX
February 7th, 2006, 01:41
Quote:
[Originally Posted by Polaris]@@LLXX:
The fact that you are disassembling uncommon processor's stuff does not explain it: why using a old leaked version when you can use a newer leaked version? I have used 4.17 leaked for a lot of time and had never any problems. Also release 4.30 and 4.6SP1 are quite stable. |
It wasn't a "leaked" version, I had to pay a little for it
Quote:
[Originally Posted by nikolatesla20]Now that is pretty impressive. Of course that means you must have had EPROM buring equipment and the like as well (perhaps at your place of employment?), but that is cool nonetheless!
-nt20 |
The DVD player didn't require an EPROM bumer, the VCR did. Almost all new DVD players can read firmware updates from a DVD that you burn the files to and insert, so updating the firmware is as easy as doing a BIOS update on a PC. Of course, you'll need a hardware flash writer if you flashed it with code that corrupted the updater routine itself (which is also part of the firmware).
In lieu of attempting to read out the existing firmware from the ROM, getting firmware from the 'net is easy:
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=dvd%2Bplayer%2Bfirmware&meta=
Even more so, modded ones:
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=dvd%2Bplayer%2Bfirmware%2Bregion&meta=
Quote:
[Originally Posted by sigint33]LLXX,
I'd like to know the details of what you did, if I could setup a dvd to dvd arrangement with the various machines I have around here it would be far better than searching for new versions of the stuff that's available on the web, I have 2 grandkids and we need to keep 2 copies of everything one at their house and one here - the D15n3y stuff is especially well protected - if you get the time please write up a summary, the EEPROM burner is no problem. I can build my own.
SiGiNT |
This reverser has written a bit, I'll let him explain:
http://xvi.rpc1.org/
But, for just copying DVDs a PC with a DVD burner and appropriate software works perfectly. Editing the DVD's files to change or remove the region coding after decrypting them, is also a trivial hex-edit.
SiGiNT
February 7th, 2006, 02:27
Ahhhhh,
I'm one step ahead of you by the virtue that I have old equipment, (I don't throw anything away - ask the 2 pentiums under my desk), - you can burn from a vcr to vcr or dvd recorder as long as the vcr playing the tape is labeled "HQ" - touted as improving playback quality "HQ" simply removed the VCR copy protection - "Macrovision?" - as for burning DVD's to VCR - as long as your VCR is old enough to not have the "copyright protection circuitry" no problem.
DVD to DVD is a different problem - yes I have all of the latest and greatest - of course the free ones are best - DVD Shrink - lags behind DVD43, but does not require an add on package - the biggest problems have been with the kid's stuff they are constantly changing the protection schemes - you make a lot of coasters - the Retail stuff some of which I've fixed myself always is 2 steps behind - they do sell a box specifically for this but I'm a bit of a scrooge - I will read your suggested material- thanx for the info.
SiGiNT
Just as a side note before we get back to IDA, (I use 4.6 in favor of 4.8), I actually bought a copy of DXD X Copy Platinum - the one where they abandoned patin coufin and decided to write their own burning engine - it plain ass did not work, turns out you had to uninstall all traces of any other burning software you had Roxio - Nero - everything just to try and make it work - one thing they did not take in to account was that XP has Roxio built in - luckily I bought it on a card that was easy to prevent payment on - been using mostly the freeware since.
nikolatesla20
February 7th, 2006, 12:09
Well I know this sound conpiratory, I wonder perhaps if some of these "bugs" are diliberate in some small fashion to hamper the leaked versions. For example 4.8 had a nasty bug where it would not read in DLL which had been imported by ordinal correctly. A "rare" thing but on their forum some guy complained about it (I had seen the very same issue) and the developer said yep, that was a bug, here's the fix.
-nt20
Polaris
February 7th, 2006, 12:44
Quote:
[Originally Posted by nikolatesla20]Well I know this sound conpiratory, I wonder perhaps if some of these "bugs" are diliberate in some small fashion to hamper the leaked versions. For example 4.8 had a nasty bug where it would not read in DLL which had been imported by ordinal correctly. A "rare" thing but on their forum some guy complained about it (I had seen the very same issue) and the developer said yep, that was a bug, here's the fix.
-nt20 |
Hmm... I don't think that any developer with consciously release his software as bugged... Also, there's the risk of cutting off customers. But mostly, also the fix can leak

SiGiNT
February 7th, 2006, 14:33
Thats part of thr reason I rolled back to 4.6 - 4.8 almost always asks for dll's and then tells you it really doesn't need it - not very confidence inspiring.
SiGiNT
LLXX
February 7th, 2006, 23:37
Those "bugs" are most likely deliberate. A bit of digging around Fravia's old site finds articles such as:
http://www.woodmann.com/fravia/quine1.htm
http://www.woodmann.com/fravia/quine_21.htm
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