Hi,

do you think it is still worth to learn softice ? It is no longer supported and I don't know if it will work with newer OSes like vista.
Or is it better to learn how to use WinDbg ?

thanx

znow

Learn both.

Well, if you only pick one, take WinDbg. Sadly, as you say, Softice's destiny has been sealed... It will most likely not work in Vista at all I'd say.

don't waste your time learning softice

Aha!

The question...And the answers!

Good. I would recommend what most of the others above have recommended. That is, use WinDBG.

However, I would DEFINITELY ask you to learn softice. If necessary, get a VM and install Win98 on it (or WinXP will also do) and get Driver Studio installed.

What for?

The answer is that debugging applications in softice will teach you a lot about windows systems, SO THAT you can use WinDBG better.

If you DIRECTLY try to use WinDBG, you'll have to spend at least 3 months reading the documentation

Of course, feel free to ignore this advice and start with WinDBG...

Have Phun

heh, I sooo agree with that statement, just by using softice I have learned so much about how stuff works. Its awesome piece of code, I'm sad to hear it is discontinued . The final release (Driverstudio 3.2) worked nicely for WinXP, although it has some stability issue IMHO.

Its more than benificial to learn softice even if it won't work for Vista.

hehe intersting side effect

nowadays probably the advise to "learn" softice is asked too much, but I can not believe one can "grow up" without that classic I am happy to have made my experiences with it, too and would recommend it strongly, too - if time allows it

cheers, 0xf001

This is no correct answer to this question. You have to weight things against eachother.

SoftIce is old but it is still a powerful tool and if nothing else it gets you the right feeling when reversing

OllyDbg is nice for simpler tasks and doesn't make all your Internet connections to timeout.

I haven't tried WinDbg yet but from reading the names of the persons that recommend it I will probably swear alot while "trial and error"-learning it soon

OllyDbg for fast and nice reversing. Softice for the hardcore projects.

I should say:"softice will support vista!"

study both...

Hi vanmin:

Do you have some "insider information" to make such statement??

I have tried to install and make work SoftIce 4.32 in one of the Vista beta releases and been unsuccessful, but I did not really spend too much time tweeking it. I blamed my cpu, which is an amd64 dual core and my graphic card new interphase made 3-4 years after the last Sice release. . .

I mean that softice's developers will make their most hard to achieve it...

when the xp appear,it did not support it but now ...as you see...it support winxp very well...

as a component of Diver Studio SoftIce should update to make it can work at vista very well... unless compuware do not support Driver developing tools...

In case you didn't know, DriverStudio (including SoftICE) has been discontinued by Compuware. I.e. it's not developed anymore.

Ehmm...as above...

I really did not know this indeed...till I saw...

Don't Blame your Tools..

B'cze that is the BAD worker blames his tools...

There's nothing wrong with blaming the tool if the tool has been horribly managed and supported for the past several years.

Hear Hear! disavowed.

The headaches that the cracker community had to go to get ICE working on XP was like solving Compuware's problems for them.

I kinda *hope* they do NOT support Vista.

Too few good people left (if any at all) at compuware.

Someone I knew would say: "Commercial Bastids"



Have Phun