Pantex454 wrote: > I don't see how the "government" could be "reading" the minds of more than > a few select people.
Aren't you the one who claims that the covert government is 50 years ahead of the public sector? It would not take 50 years to achieve that sort of technology.
This is from John Marks' book The Search for the Manchurian Candidate, Chapter 12, "The Search for Truth."
Some of these projects may have been worked on at the Institute's own several hundred-acre farm located in the Massachusetts countryside. But of the several dozen people contacted in an effort to find out what the Institute did, the most anyone would say about experiments at the farm was that one involved stimulating the pleasure centers of crows' brains in order to control their behavior. Presumably, ORD men did other things at their isolated rural lab. Just as the MKULTRA program had been years ahead of the scientific community, ORD activities were similarly advanced. "We looked at the manipulation of genes," states one of the researchers. "We were interested in gene splintering. The rest of the world didn't ask until 1976 the type of questions we were facing in 1965.... Everybody was afraid of building the supersoldier who would take orders without questioning, like the kamikaze pilot. Creating a subservient society was not out of sight."Marks is a respected researcher, and much of his material comes from Freedom of Information Act requests. The book, especially Chapter 12, is quite damning with respect to immoral mind control research conducted by agents of the U.S. government. The book is from 1979. Instead of this being evidence for how much more advanced the technology could have (and surely has) become, our controlled and complicitous news media uses information like that as an excuse to claim this is all "old news."
As an aside, the "old news" ploy was recently used to discredit the Gary Webb series of articles on the CIA and crack cocaine. It is described well in a FAIR article "Snow Job: The Establishment's Papers Do Damage Control for the CIA" and the sidebars to the article, "That Delusional Mindset" and "Our Man at the Post." The Mar.-Apr. 1998 issue of The Media Consortium's I.F. Magazine has an article by Robert Perry on the CIA-cocaine connection. A brief excerpt:
Most major newspapers wrote fairly brief accounts of the CIA's report and led the stories with the agency's superficial claims of innocence.This gets to the heart of a problem that relates directly to mind control research and abuse: the epistemology of what is known. That is, what we know is true and how we know it. The news media have assumed a position of being arbiters of what is accepted reality, in spite of the fact that they have abused that privilege over and over. The CIA is by definition an organization founded on lies. Its spokesmen have repeatedly lied over the years, and yet people still pretend that its latest announcement is somehow different.Toward the end of the report, however, the CIA included broad admissions that many of Webb's contentions were not only true, but, in some cases, understated the contra-cocaine connection.
As far as how the government could be reading minds, I can speculate on how but I cannot say definitively. I know it is happening because, to me, my personal experiences and the testimony of many other victims far outweigh the official denials. One might even *expect* to hear official denials on this subject.
My speculation is that some sort of signal analysis is being performed on brain measurements like EEGs, whether measured externally or from implanted devices. [Various sonic vibrations could also be analyzed.]
This is an excerpt from The Controllers by Martin Cannon:
Perhaps the most disturbing wanderer into this mind-field is Joseph A. Meyer, of the National Security Agency, the most formidable and secretive component of America's national security complex. Meyer has proposed implanting roughly half of all Americans arrested - not necessarily convicted - of any crime; the numbers of "subscribers" (his euphemism) would run into the tens of millions. "Subscribers" could be monitored continually by computer wherever they went. Meyer, who has carefully worked out the economics of his mass-implantation system, asserts that taxpayer liability should be reduced by forcing subscribers to "rent" the implant from the State. Implants are cheaper and more efficient than police, Meyer suggests, since the call to crime is relentless for the poor "urban dweller" - who, this spook-scientist admits in a surprisingly candid aside, is fundamentally unnecessary to a post-industrial economy. "Urban dweller" may be another of Meyer's euphemisms: He uses New York's Harlem as his model community in working out the details of his mind-management system.44Tens of millions of "subscribers." Remember the ECHELON system, with which the NSA monitors almost all overseas data transmissions by keywords and, I have seen reported, speech recognition software?
This next excerpt is from the Los Angeles Times, March 29, 1976, and is at the C.A.H.R.A. web site
George H. Heilmeier, director of the research agency [ARPA], dropped tantalizing hints about the EEG program in his annual report to Congress. Although he has provided few details, enough has been said about the program to raise some questions.Other research has shown that EEGs can be correlated to the words a person is *thinking of*, and, according to Robert Becker's The Body Electric, the CIA investigated the use of EEGs and bioelectric sensing for interrogation as early as the 1960s.For example, could these systems be used to read the minds of prisoners of war or to pick the brains of unsuspecting American citizens. Highly unlikely, agency scientists say.
For one thing, the EEG must be individually calibrated. Brain-wave graphs mean different things for different persons. So it is necessary to obtain a baseline graph by having each individual think a specific series of thoughts.
"It is quick and easy to make the calibration but it must be done for each individual," one scientist explained.
Besides, under present programs, it is necessary to place electrodes on the individual's head. It does not hurt but it could scarcely be done secretly.
At MIT, however, scientists are studying magnetic brain waves that can produce graphs much like the electrical brain waves now being measured.
Scientists for the research agency say it may be possible to pick up magnetic waves a foot or two from the subject's head, perhaps by placing a receiver in the back of a chair.
Could these waves be projected over distances greater than a few feet?
"We are now talking about a foot or several feet," one scientist said. "But the research agency has a pretty good idea of what it could be doing in the 1980s."
At some point it becomes clear what is going on, and that many of the victims are indeed telling the truth about what is regularly being done to them. I do not need to read it in a mainstream newspaper. Just as radiation experiment victims were dismissed as kooks for years, mind control victims are getting the same shameful treatment. This is from the article "The Radiation Story No One Would Touch," by Geoffrey Sea. It appears in the Columbia Journalism Review, March/April 1994.
Suddenly, at the close of 1993, the public was bombarded with `news' about the feeding of radioactive substances to pregnant women and mentally retarded students, about the unethical irradiation of workers, soldiers, mental patients, and prison inmates, and about the government's own internal fears that those experiments had `a little of the Buchenwald touch.' But the story that appeared in The Albuquerque Tribune (circulation: 35,000) on November 15-17, and was then projected into national headlines by the forthright admissions and initiatives of Secretary of Energy Hazel O'Leary, was hardly new.Much of the material on this list concerns what technology is available, and that is a useful thing. Once you accept that these mind control technologies exist, though, there is the further concern about how they can be used. As a computer scientist, I make an analogy to computer hardware and software. Suppose I have just now managed to convince you that computer hardware exists. There is still a whole world of possibilities in computer software: given this hardware, what can you do with it?By 1984, activists and researchers across the country were systematically investigating the human experimentation program and attempting to bring it to public attention. By 1986, documentation of the program was massive, solid, and publicly available.
I am among those who persistently tried to get national media coverage of this outrageous example of government wrongdoing. To say the media were reluctant to listen would be an understatement. The fact is that, for more than a decade, documentation was ignored and facts were misreported.
In the mind control realm, the questions include what sorts of psychological warfare attacks can be implemented with different combinations of mind control technology. In a simple example, with a basic voice projection device and an unwitting subject, one can pretend to be able to read thoughts. By subtly beaming phrases and cues to the victim, the operator can induce a desired thought. By then revealing this thought to the victim, in whatever fashion is chosen, the victim thinks his thoughts have been read. There are many variations on just this simple scheme. What about when true mind reading is involved and various other communication channels and technologies are exploited? This is truly vile technology when abused and used on unconsenting subjects, allowing for forms of torture that many people still cannot imagine or empathize with.
Again, these are interesting questions and may help some of the victims understand what has been done to them. At some point, though, the questions become political. It becomes clear that there is a vast criminal conspiracy which has essentially reinstituted slavery in the United States under the cover of layers and layers of lies and government secrecy. It becomes clear that many of our fellow citizens, leaders, even neighbors, are completely, ruthlessly, amoral and have no qualms about manipulating other human beings as if they were expendable machines.
As this is not a list about politics, I refer you to my web page State of the Union for more of my views in that regard. More excerpts and technical information can be found on my pages The Truth and More Links: On secret government, mind control, nonlethal weapons, the press, etc.