Since my return as Administrator there is one thing I have noticed. Too many people have zero clue what totse is about.

I believe that at this date and point in time, I have been around more consistently, and longer than any other active user. I remember what totse was like when I first came here in 98, when the web version of totse was really only just getting off the ground, and before the inception of the web version of the BBS. I've watched totse go through so many changes, and so much, but it saddens me that people no longer understand exactly why it is here, exactly what totse is about.

Totse is about freedom. Freedom that many users nowadays have, and abuse, freedom that others don't understand.

It's often, that people want to ban, or remove other users, get rid of the kidiots, get rid of this subclass of members, force people to post in a certain way, with a certain intelligence level.

That's not freedom. It doesn't matter, truly, what anyone else posts here. It should only matter what YOU post. You have the freedom to post whatever you like, providing it does not abuse the system, or break our very few, very limited rules.

Those rules are - Do not post anything that is illegal, or could get totse in trouble, such as conspiring to commit a crime, posting about crimes you have committed (if you do this, you're very very dumb). This also means, you should not, EVER use the name of totse for anything other than referring to the site. IE, you do not have the right to use our name in creating other sites, other groups. One particular problem in the past was people creating "Totse army" type organisations, usually for 'warring' on other BBS's. You are merely a user here, you do not have the right to the name, Jeff Hunter does.

You are also not allowed to post personal information, whether it is your own or not. This includes names, addresses, telephone numbers, credit card or SS numbers, or ANYTHING else we deem personal information, such as IP addresses.

Attacking or Spamming the site is the only other thing we do not allow you to do. Those things will get you banned.

Other than that, you have the freedom to post, as does everyone else. It'd be nice if everyone posted intelligent, well thought out, and inspired posts, but that's not going to happen. Even when I was first a member here, there were trolls, and people who were idiots.

You should aspire to be respected for your opinions and your thoughts, but it's simply put, not something that everyone is capable of nor wants to be capable of..

And that's ok. You have the freedom to be a moron, if that's what you are. We won't ban you for being stupid, or pathetic, or idiotic, unless you break the above rules. We won't ban you even if EVERY OTHER USER HERE hates you.

Totse is a community which should live with freedom. We are not elitist. Yes, there are people that are respected more, yes, we have moderators and administrators, but you should think of us as simply other users that dedicate our time to keeping this place alive and kicking.

I firmly believe in what totse is about. I think that it's important that you can come here, and ask whatever question you like, and receive a variety of informed and uninformed opinions. We have some very intelligent and very knowledgable people here. People who know more than you could ever begin to imagine about so many esoteric subjects. I have left this site so many times, for as long as a year or more, but I return because this is a very unique place. There is nowhere else online where you can find THIS kind of community. There is nowhere else where you can find as much information, as great a resource as we have. Yes, you can find incorrect information, yes, you can find idiots, but if you have the intelligence to seek it out, you can find brilliance, too.

It's my hope, that when you read this, you have at least some clue as to why totse still exists, after all this time. Why we will NEVER become an elitist system, an elitist place that allows ONLY those posters we deem as valuable.

Everyone has the opportunity to become someone valuable, it's not up to me, or you, to judge whether someone is or is not. Sooner or later, everyone grows up, everyone learns something. Instead of bitching about other people, instead of flaming or responding to stupid posts, try making valuable ones yourself instead. Go find a question you can answer, a person you can help. Think about an interesting subject to discuss that hasn't been brought up before. Think about how to stand out by what you post, for your intelligence and wisdom, rather than for your stupidity, or ability to flame.

But hey, even if you don't do those things, you'll still be welcome here. That's what totse is about.

Yeah, I read those things in the FAQ.

Not many people read the FAQ.

I like the clarification that is offered on what you consider freedom. Thank you.

Bang on Suzie!

I remember feeling that way when I joined totse in 2001 and I still feel that way now. I remember being impressed with many, many totse members over the years, even ones I strongly disagreed with on almost all subjects.

People ask me once in a while why I don't delete posts or threads in NS&H (I never have). If I can be fucked to answer, I'll say it's because of how I was introduced to this site and how the attitude towards freedom that this site hold high is a driving factor.

Thanks Suzie, you just reminded me of why I love this place.

I think you need to remind some mods of this. I've read threads that have been locked simply because the mod got pissed off that someone was challenging their opinions.

Why dosent Jeff hunter post?!?!?

Tell it like it is sister!

True what you said wintermute, it is sad that totse's freedoms are abused and certain words commonly used for spam have to be banned.

Amen.

Were also discriminated against. If I posted this same topic word for word, I would have probably gotten flamed.

Yes, you would be flamed because obviously you are not me, and have not been here as long as I have, so if you posted this word for word, you would be talking bullshit.

However, that is not discrimination. If you post intelligently, the majority of replies you get will not be flames..

Some still will be though. I still get flames, so, that's hardly discrimination. IF they only flamed me, then that would be, but I think pretty much everyone around here gets flamed by someone.

quote:Originally posted by Wintermute:



It's my hope, that when you read this, you have at least some clue as to why totse still exists, after all this time. Why we will NEVER become an elitist system, an elitist place that allows ONLY those posters we deem as valuable.



Thank god for this. I have been to too many boards where you get banned for just not agreeing with the opinions of the administrator or after one or two threads that you might have created under the influence...

quote:Originally posted by Wintermute:



Everyone has the opportunity to become someone valuable, it's not up to me, or you, to judge whether someone is or is not. Sooner or later, everyone grows up, everyone learns something. Instead of bitching about other people, instead of flaming or responding to stupid posts, try making valuable ones yourself instead. Go find a question you can answer, a person you can help. Think about an interesting subject to discuss that hasn't been brought up before. Think about how to stand out by what you post, for your intelligence and wisdom, rather than for your stupidity, or ability to flame.



Right on sister! I try to only post in topics that I believe I can contribute something to. Oh, and ofcourse if I have something that I think is funny to say http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif). I think everyone finds a certian style of posting that fits them well. From your witty one liners (mizled) to the flame whores (pick your favirote and imagine their name here). Aslong as you aren't trying to ruin other peoples learning experiance, then I have no beef with you http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif).

As for trying to answer questions that have never been asked before, I have only been here for two and a half years, and as far as I can tell, there probably hasn't been a totally new question that has been asked since around 1999 (well maybe acouple http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif)). I am sure it has been even longer then that if you count TOTSE back in its black board days. Still I help when I can.

Anyway, good post. I just hope people will read it. While they are at it, feel free to look at the FAQ (http://www.totse.com/en/_faq/totse_faq.html)!

the faq should definetly be required reading in the school of totse...

Why did you bother writing all of that?

In attempt to have the kewls see the light?

Ofcourse Totse is about freedom! Hell, isnt there the quote on the front page?

Anyway, good work.

Maybe the many incredibly incorrect and idiotic text files should be deleted and only keep the "good" ones.



FTW

[This message has been edited by ftwchriso (edited 06-02-2005).]

quote:Originally posted by ftwchriso:

Why did you bother writing all of that?

In attempt to have the kewls see the light?



FTW



I got the idea that she was writing this more for the people that keep bombarding her with requests to get all the kewls & kidiots banned, and not so much for the kewls and kidiots. No doubt though it was just meant as a friendly reminder of what makes this place second to none.

Agreed.

Good point.

Still, it seems, to me anyway, that most who request the "kidiots" to be banned, are just j00bs trying to act like they know the system inside-out.



FTW

i'm just glad you're back, wintermute. you answered to my very first post. and, unlike some others, it was a good answer...

i think it was about this stoopid country's deficet (drunken spelling?!) http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif)

but at least i understood what you meant...

I wish I was mod.

*looks down at clenched fist*

One day....one day......

I think in the end we all have fun on totse, and i think that is really what totse is about having fun.

k.

Sorry suzie, but

the majority of your post defined your &ToTSE, whereas(sp?) &ToTSE in general differs quite widely in some areas - elitist for example, is the way &ToTSE has been going for some while, user's opinions are far less valid in the majority of cases if their new to &ToTSE.

&ToTSE is about freedom, ill now direct your attn. to the left, to the menu - freedom of information - *read*know*do however, when someone asks a question in T&T. or in NS&H or one of the other 'information based' forums - unless they know 95% of the answer, they get flamed for being a noob and directed to google - when half the time, they just want help in learning.

To conclude - your post was about your view of what &ToTSE should be, even if you take into consideration the fact you are an admin, and are therefore your view is/should be slighlty more informed and important - it's still not the &ToTSE were posting on at the moment.

[This message has been edited by osmandius (edited 06-02-2005).]

/\ Shut up.

[This message has been edited by Spic Power (edited 06-02-2005).]

Banning words like petition shows that belief in freedom a lot. G0atse I can understand, but petition?

Also many mods need to be reminded of this.

I beleive the original point of the look on Google answers was to get the person to start teaching themselves instead of depending on others. Now it has become too much of a fad.

quote:Originally posted by Spic Power:

/\ Shut up.



Great argument http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif)

He makes a good point, you should listen to him.

It's not a great argument, because totse always had people who flamed. If anything, when I first joined, flames were MORE rampant than they are now..

You have the freedom to disagree, though, that's the point..

As for banning petition, it was a TEMPORARY THING, to stop an annoying trend. People posting that word repeatedly in multiple threads are spamming. My other options were to ban the people doing the spamming. Which would you say disables EVERYONE's freedom more?.

A temporary removal of a word, or a permanent ban on someone for stupidity.

quote:Originally posted by Wintermute:



A temporary removal of a word, or a permanent ban on someone for stupidity.

Yuo forgot the "?"

Page 2.

quote:Originally posted by Wintermute:

It's not a great argument, because totse always had people who flamed. If anything, when I first joined, flames were MORE rampant than they are now..

You have the freedom to disagree, though, that's the point..

As for banning petition, it was a TEMPORARY THING, to stop an annoying trend. People posting that word repeatedly in multiple threads are spamming. My other options were to ban the people doing the spamming. Which would you say disables EVERYONE's freedom more?.

A temporary removal of a word, or a permanent ban on someone for stupidity.



Ever heard of a temp ban? 'cus that would only piss the people involved off - not the majority of totseans that like to use their full vocabulary but find it mortally wounded with censorship :P

And Spic, shut the fuck up you dirty, dirty mexican.

And AGruntsJagoon - thankyou http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

And Wintermute - ever been to mainz, germany?

if you have - anywhere you'd suggest seeing?

My inability to use the word competition was crippling in BLTC. It was awful and I'm not sure I'm ever going to be able to recover.

[This message has been edited by Eudaemonistic_SOB (edited 06-02-2005).]

I read that three times and chuckled a little each and every time http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif)

quote:&ToTSE is about freedom, ill now direct your attn. to the left, to the menu - freedom of information - *read*know*do however, when someone asks a question in T&T. or in NS&H or one of the other 'information based' forums - unless they know 95% of the answer, they get flamed for being a noob and directed to google - when half the time, they just want help in learning.That's part of it. People are allowed to react however they want. Many people try and appear knowledgable by shooting others down but not everyone does that. Either way, the freedom for them to act as they wish exists and that's what we are talking aout.

Also, if you don't think good information passes around this place you're probably just missing it.

I really cant worry that much... i know that we have some good Mods who can deal with all of the dumbshits and others that happen across totse while clogging up the internet. Nothing has brought down TOTSE yet, but we have to remember that we arent invincible. Just one dumbass admits to a major crime (or writes about what SWIM will do) or some other idiotic scam or some nonsense like that and TOTSE is in the mainstream and shut down, we have to be able to be self monitoring, lucky for us.... n00bs dont pose any threat having an average age of about 13.



Above all we have to realize that this is OUR TOTSE and it will be what we make it.



EDIT: I suck at commas

[This message has been edited by Berto2112 (edited 06-02-2005).]

Just a n00b here, but stuff like this is why I joined...it speaks to me, man <breaks down in tears>.

Seriously, though, this should be in the FAQ. Or somewise linked to from the sign-up section. It's that awesome.

Now, if only the entire country were like totse...

quote:Originally posted by osmandius:

Sorry suzie, but

the majority of your post defined your &ToTSE, whereas(sp?) &ToTSE in general differs quite widely in some areas - elitist for example, is the way &ToTSE has been going for some while, user's opinions are far less valid in the majority of cases if their new to &ToTSE.

&ToTSE is about freedom, ill now direct your attn. to the left, to the menu - freedom of information - *read*know*do however, when someone asks a question in T&T. or in NS&H or one of the other 'information based' forums - unless they know 95% of the answer, they get flamed for being a noob and directed to google - when half the time, they just want help in learning.

To conclude - your post was about your view of what &ToTSE should be, even if you take into consideration the fact you are an admin, and are therefore your view is/should be slighlty more informed and important - it's still not the &ToTSE were posting on at the moment.



i'm sure she's aware of what groups are here and the flaming that goes on but, her "view" is how &totse should be. If it was like that this place would be a lot better, how she remember's it. Also, this thread wasn't to outline her view on a perfect totse, she explained what totse is about and how if offers an opportunity for users to talk freely without many rules. She also mentioned some problem areas(totse army) that people who care about this site should consider before doing something stupid. This may be wrong but i think that's what she meant.

*gives standing ovation*

Petition!

quote:Originally posted by Spic Power:



Yuo forgot the "?"

Page 2.

You forgot the smart. Sorry, had to.

I think before people actually become a member they should undergo a test on the rules/purpose of Totse. Or something. I hate senseless posts other than B&M GRRRRRRR!!!1 *MAD SOLO* http://www.totse.com/bbs/mad.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/mad.gif) http://www.totse.com/bbs/mad.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/mad.gif) http://www.totse.com/bbs/mad.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/mad.gif)

[This message has been edited by Pez_V1 (edited 06-02-2005).]

quote:Originally posted by Pez_V1:

You forgot the smart. Sorry, had to.

I think before people actually become a member they should undergo a test on the rules/purpose of Totse. Or something. I hate senseless posts other than B&M GRRRRRRR!!!1 *MAD SOLO* http://www.totse.com/bbs/mad.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/mad.gif) http://www.totse.com/bbs/mad.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/mad.gif) http://www.totse.com/bbs/mad.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/mad.gif)





What about the FREEDOM included the FAQ (and on the first page) We do read the FAQ



[This message has been edited by Star Wars Fan (edited 06-02-2005).]

quote:Originally posted by Star Wars Fan:



What about the FREEDOM included the FAQ (and on the first page) We do read the FAQ





What about abusing the freedom and fucking it up for everyone?

I'm going to point out that the only people who say &totse are morons, trying to make themselves seem like theyve been around since the beginning.

Way to go, jackasses. I'll bet 9 out of 10 of you dont even know why the & is there, hm?

yeah, the '&' has been dropped, anyways (yeah, i read the FAQ)

quote:Originally posted by Tru_Souljer:

I'm going to point out that the only people who say &totse are morons, trying to make themselves seem like theyve been around since the beginning.

Way to go, jackasses. I'll bet 9 out of 10 of you dont even know why the & is there, hm?

Come to think of it I don't know what the & in &totse is for. Never really thought about it.

Not to get off topic or anything but I would like to know.

quote:Originally posted by Tru_Souljer:

I'm going to point out that the only people who say &totse are morons, trying to make themselves seem like theyve been around since the beginning.

Way to go, jackasses. I'll bet 9 out of 10 of you dont even know why the & is there, hm?

I so fucking concur.

That didn't need to be posted here. Spurious is enough for that, thanks.



Mhmmm, That's good satire.

That's too bad. http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif)



[This message has been edited by Eudaemonistic_SOB (edited 06-03-2005).]

this'll probably get me banned, but fuck you.

quote:Originally posted by Spic Power:

/\ Shut up.



Right.

I hope everyone that posts in R&R regularly reads this ,because this is exactly what Goose and I are trying to bring back to that forum.

Some people say that our zero tolerance policy on flaming and spamming is going against totse rules... but it has nothing to do with the flaming and spamming specifically. Its about doing it in the WRONG PLACE.

So people.. keep in mind you can flame, argue, whatever you want... but do it in the right place! Try to keep discussions in their proper forum.

sambob, shut the fuck up, you're part of the elitist group suzie was trying to seperate herself from... yet in #totse there is more bans between the two of you then all the other ops by far.

Fuck you both, and have a nice day.

Thats not true, I have very few bans.

I think you're just upset because YOU are banned.

Although you might be interested to know that your ban wasn't even in place by me.

You should try not to take things so personal, maybe grow up a little bit.

People tend to think that I'm the harshest of the chanops, because they listen to every little exagerrated, or outright lie people tell about me. Its obvious when you look at the ban list, everyone says I have the most bans, that I ban tons of people for no reasons.. but I usually have almost the fewest bans on the list.

But for the rest of you, I guarantee that if you talk to me personally, and don't act like a fucking moron... you'll find a great friend in me.

Back to conyln: You have a right to speak to suzie like that, sure. But should you? No. Suzie treats people exactly how they deserve, from what I've seen.. you're a real douchebag.

If people like you spent less time plotting, whining, etc about Suzie and I... than you did actually talking to us, you probably wouldn't sound so bitter.

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[14:27:35] * sambob sets mode: -bbbbbbbbbbbb *!*aguarstri@*.dyn.optonline.net *!*jirc@cloak-544D362D.oc.oc.cox.net*!*me@*.home1.cgocable.net *!*xyz@*.webnetsecure.com *!*jirc@*.bagu.cable.ntl.com *!*@*.dyn.sprint-hsd.net *!*jirc@*.austincollege.edu *!*@*.direcpc.com *!*jirc@*.stowetel.com *!*jirc@*.ypeast01.mi.comcast.net *!*Vineman@*.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net *!*@cloak-FC7BA4B.atlaga.adelphia.net

[14:27:38] * sambob sets mode: -bbbbbbb *!*jirc@*.23CE936A.6CE5F2BC.IP *!*@cloak-6D0C0E88.lpaxtn01.pa.comcast.net *!*Mr_Aircow@*.sa.bigpond.net.au *!*dddaqwww@*.cable.ubr06.smal.blueyonder.co.uk*!* jirc@*.chvlva.adelphia.net *!*@*.sttlwa.dsl-w.verizon.net *!*@cloak-AE754CB1.cl.ri.cox.net

How many of those bans were yours?

And aren't you always the one bitching about other ops removing your bans?!?!?(like mine, 3 times)



Ok, so thanks for unbanning me, as of now.

but i've no doubt that when you see me in #totse if not already, i'll be banned.

But what do i care, i've been without it for 2 months now

as has been said by a follow #totse op

'#dxm: it's like #totse without sambob and suzie'

How many of those bans were mine? Maybe two or three, like I said.

When it comes down to it conlyn, you act like a fool, thats why you get banned. I only banned you once, then I unbanned you. The other bans that were placed on you were by other people.

If you can't understand such a simple concept, you really shouldn't be here.

Beyond anything else, the channel is a different place from the site, always has been..

And given that I haven't even been around for a year prior to about 2 months ago, uh, it's rather flattering that you define another channel by my lack..

I don't even know who the hell you are conlyn, so I have no clue why you'd be bitching..

Just because I believe in freedom of speech, doesn't mean that I have to be NICE to everybody regardless of what they say..

Why is that such a hard concept for people to grasp? The fact that I have just as much freedom to flame you, as you have to flame me.

to be honest.

your name really only came up because i was posting in you thread, otherwise... you'd figure after 4 years on and off of you and me bitchin at eachother you might remember me... but i'm sure i was 1of981230982301830 kick/bans so i'm not very worried about it...

If I kick or ban someone, it's usually because of what they're saying or doing at that moment in time, so I generally don't remember you unless you do something really stupid or really bad, or if you make some other kind of impression.

I really don't kick or ban that many people on the channel either, and when I owned the channel, I actually removed ops for doing that too randomly and too often..

But sometimes, it is necessary, especially in the chat room side of this site.

quote:Originally posted by conlyn:

to be honest.

your name really only came up because i was posting in you thread, otherwise... you'd figure after 4 years on and off of you and me bitchin at eachother you might remember me... but i'm sure i was 1of981230982301830 kick/bans so i'm not very worried about it...



As a rule, I Never, Ever, EVER read topics in this part of the temple, so I probably have no right to comment about shit, but YOU, you stupid piece of shit, are a whiney little cocksucking whore.

Get the hell out of my temple before I have to get biblical on your arse.

I must say, I'm insanely shocked that I haven't seen one of these throughout the whole thread:

quote:Originally posted by somebody:

Fuck yeah I'm posting in NoTT!!!!

...

But anyhow, elitism is present everywhere. It's part of most humans nature. We like feeling like were better or above people. So perhaps, Wintermute, you aren't an elitist, but you can't deny some people claim themselves a comfy little spot above everyone else. I'm not talking about anyone in particular. But desiring power over a group of people (or anything, really) is completely natural.

Most moderators here would be fibbing through their teeth if they were to say they don't get any satisfaction out of knowing that even if it's just in a small way on what makes up an unmeasurably small portion of the internet, they have a certain amount of power and control over most other people. Maybe I'm just retarded [note: I will be VERY surprised if somebody doesn't just quote those last four words and add the words "yeah, that's it"], but I think that is a form of elitism.

Or maybe just a form clique-ishness (yes, I know that's not a word). But then again... "clique" and "group of elitists" are very similar, no?

So since "elitism" is generally a word with negative attributes attached to it, we'll call it "modest elitism". Not necessarily a bad thing.

And now, I get to expect a senior member of TOTSE or a moderator to flame me for what may look like I'm very slightly disagreeing [edit: this sounds like I'm trying to argue with Wintermute, I'm not, just stating what I think, as you can see in my post below] with a very senior member of TOTSE.

After all, I'm just a stupid "noob" (relatively) who hasn't been here half as long as some of you, and is a relatively unknown (unpopular?) "totsean".

Bah, I'm just high, so I'll summarize:

The TOTSE community is not based on elitism, but it a downright lie to say there aren't any cliques here. To reinforce that last statement, imagine that name "static_void" up there is actually "Zok".



[This message has been edited by static_void (edited 06-04-2005).]

At what point did I say that there were no cliques?

I know there are some that consider themselves superior, amongst regular users, not just moderators. The point I was trying to make is that *I* personally believe it is important for everyone to know where this site came from, and what the freedom you ALL have started with.

I'm posting this in an attempt to make everyone realise WHAT this site has that is different from elsewhere.

You tell me, how many sites you can go to, and say WHATEVER you like about an administrator, and NOT be banned? I wouldn't think there are that many.

I know you didn't say there weren't any cliques, I was just pointing the relationship between elitism and cliques. And I got the point *you* were trying to make, I was simply making my point. I wasn't arguing with what you said, sorry if it came off that way. I guess I should have stated that I wasn't trying to start an arguement before rambling off.

http://www.totse.com/bbs/Forum3/HTML/206152.html

Thanks Wintermute, I needed that reminder.

After so long at BLTC - especially times like these past couple of week, when we get a rush of smegheads at one seeming time - I tend to lose site of what totse's about.

I get caught up in things and need to be reminded not to be so heavy handed.

quote:Originally posted by osmandius:



Ever heard of a temp ban? 'cus that would only piss the people involved off - not the majority of totseans that like to use their full vocabulary but find it mortally wounded with censorship :P

At BLTC, we use a one week temp ban for people who are starting to get out of control.

We give a warning, to be fair.

9 times out of 10, when we ban someone for a week, they come back and never cause any more trouble and indeed become good members.

I found that it's also best not to let anybody get your dander up.

If you just treat them and their shit as if it ain't worth your time and trouble - don't just ignore them, but don't 'react' to them.

If you do that, they are more likely to go away.

Deprive them of the attention they so crave.

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quote:Originally posted by static_void:

The TOTSE community is not based on elitism, but it a downright lie to say there aren't any cliques here. To reinforce that last statement, imagine that name "static_void" up there is actually "Zok".





Sorry, you lost me on that one.

Any particular reason why you admins blocked the internet archives? I used to go back and read posts, watch how people developed their attitudes and opinions but as of a few months ago it says the BBS archives are blocked by the site owner via a robots.txt file retrieval exclusion.

Wintermute, shut the fuck up, no one cares about your fascist idealistic bullshit. No one likes you so get the fuck off totse, and stop bitching about your fucking job, im sick of hearing about it. My advice is, go die in a quite forest and dont bother people anymore.

quote:Originally posted by Pez_V1:

What about abusing the freedom and fucking it up for everyone?

Unfortuntely, It's also included.

quote:Originally posted by Wintermute:



You tell me, how many sites you can go to, and say WHATEVER you like about an administrator, and NOT be banned? I wouldn't think there are that many.

Wintermute has a point there: Totse is sort of like "the United States of the Internet." OK, maybe that's a bad comparison at the moment, but my point is that everyone is always bitching about how the U.S. is run by a bunch of fascist pigs, when in reality, the U.S. is still one of the freest countries on the planet.

Totse is a lot like that, we're always bitching about the Mods, but yet we couldn't get away with a lot of the shit we do here at "other boards".

Rock on, Totse! http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif)

I fucking love you, man. That was beautiful. I jsut brushed up on the FAQ last night (proof: it was updated 25/5/05), so it wasn't really new to me, but it's really cool to have someone re-affirm it for everyone to see. I welcome you back.

quote:

You forgot "post in the right forum." By the way, hearing this:



...right after that stirring speech about freedom and what Totse is all about was quite amusing. If individual users are spamming, deal with them as such. Otherwise you are impeding upon the very freedom you are trying to protect.

Posting in the wrong forum is not a banning offense, unless it is done to distraction, ie, becomes spam. So no, I didn't forget it.

If 50 individual users are spamming, would you have me ban them all? Freedom to say petition, or freedom to say all the worlds? I don't get why you have such a bug up your ass about this, it's over and done with already. It was a temporary fix to a temporary problem. Far BETTER than banning people. It's too easy to ban people for behavior we don't like, or to close their topics just because they're stupid, rather than doing our jobs and moving them to the correct forum.

Gah. oops. Should not post whilst supremely tired. Meant to quote, not edit.

[This message has been edited by Wintermute (edited 06-06-2005).]

quote:Originally posted by mathematics88:

Wintermute, shut the fuck up, Blah, fucking blah...

Yeah, you've been here less than a year.

You've not been around long enough for that opinion to be very valid with the vast majority here.

You make friends quick, don't you?

quote:Originally posted by Star Wars Fan:

Unfortuntely, It's also included.

Yes. But that's why we have mods/admins to help prevent that. If someone is fucking up, warn them. Do it again, ban them.

I think you should keep your mods in line like snoopy. Worst mod i ever saw in my life.

Snoopy is more of a troll then a mod.

Why the hell could i call him a troll for closing a thread... maybe an asshole or nazi, but not a troll, that's a special word for a strange few.

i was mainly talking about his common retardedness that's always found in places it isn't welcome...

such as his always semi-constant spamming of P:LRC with more insults and slurs then i could shake a jew at...

for fucks sake, he's worse them i am.

Good summation of how it should be. Freedom to speak your mind unabridged. Well, to a point anyways.

quote:Originally posted by Wintermute:

Posting in the wrong forum is not a banning offense, unless it is done to distraction, ie, becomes spam. So no, I didn't forget it.

If 50 individual users are spamming, would you have me ban them all? Freedom to say petition, or freedom to say all the worlds? I don't get why you have such a bug up your ass about this, it's over and done with already. It was a temporary fix to a temporary problem. Far BETTER than banning people. It's too easy to ban people for behavior we don't like, or to close their topics just because they're stupid, rather than doing our jobs and moving them to the correct forum.

Gah. oops. Should not post whilst supremely tired. Meant to quote, not edit.



I was refering to the FAQ rule that "your posts could be moved to a more correct forum without warning," with the implicit assumption that you should be posting in the correct forum in the first place. I know that sort of thing is not a bannable offense in of itself - it looked like you were just going down the FAQ list in the original post.

As for the "bug up my ass," it's you with the unilateral power to censor entire words on a whim. Was there really 50 individual users who spamming? Do you have a screenshot of all the "spam threads" before you deleted them? Because otherwise, I'm inclined to believe it was an overreaction on your part that has yet to be apologized for.

To turn your question around, is it better to punish the people doing the crime or to inhibit everyone's freedom to speak? If someone is spamming, they are demonstrating a clear disrepect to Totse itself. Maybe they work themselves through the spamming phase, or maybe they don't. Regardless, good posters were punished and Totse's coveted freedom of speech was even more eroded than if spammers got banned. If 10 people started spamming the word "Freedom" in Spurious, would you censor that word too?

Next time, let the mods do our job as it is our responsibility. If you want to help out, delete some threads if it looks like no one is on. But for God's sake don't go banning vocabulary when the entire thing is a non-issue.

quote:Originally posted by Wintermute:

Yes, you would be flamed because obviously you are not me, and have not been here as long as I have, so if you posted this word for word, you would be talking bullshit.

However, that is not discrimination. If you post intelligently, the majority of replies you get will not be flames..

Some still will be though. I still get flames, so, that's hardly discrimination. IF they only flamed me, then that would be, but I think pretty much everyone around here gets flamed by someone.

you are a bitch

you are a bitch

you are a bitch

cmon do it

i know this guy in the reality he posts here his name was neosade, and he well he sucked dick for a living here in visalia

one time i got him drunk... bj for a ciggarette i didnt get the bj cause yunno

poor poor guy sits around yunno on his comp all day its sad ohh and im revealing this because he owes me

quote:Originally posted by Wintermute:

......

Totse is about freedom. Freedom that many users nowadays have, and abuse, freedom that others don't understand.....



Freedom seems to be quite a popular word

nowadays. Unfortunately, it's often used

for propaganda, either by presidents or

administrators.

The trouble here is that freedom is mista-

ken for undefinable rules.

What purpose do the rules on totse have?

The following excerpt(s) show[s] some rules

are outdated:

quote:FAQ:On this web site people exist without age, without skin color, without gender, without clothes, without nationality, without any of the visual cues we usually use to discredit or ignore people who are unlike ourselves. All of these things are stripped away and the ideas themselves are laid bare.



This statement is similar in pomposity as

the idea that totse is about freedom;

users post threads on American superiority

time and again- though I don't mind that

since, after all, this is an American site.

But to say on this site people exist with-

out nationality is a mistake.

Another excerpt is point 6 from the rules:

quote:FAQ:Do not threaten other users with physical harm or engage in other felonious behavior. Try to be NICE to each other, if possible.

In practice, however, the freedom the sta-

tement above encompasses is to interpret

the rule as the user sees fit.

I assume most insults on totse are meant

as jokes- fair enough, but note the rule,

interpreting strictly, is violated many ti-

mes a day.

Freedom applies to totse only as far as the

moderators and administrators allow it.

Have a look at this thread (http://www.totse.com/bbs/Forum14/HTML/004078-4.html).

Originally, it was about the distribution

of educational material on homosexual sex.

However, when an insult is made about Jews,

the moderator confessed to be a Jew him-

self and threatened to close down the

thread.

Let me be the first to say I agree with Se-

phiroth that racist remarks do not belong

on totse- but on a broader perspective,

doesn't the same apply to grieving remarks

on homosexuals?

(Something I'll surely ask him in a future

thread.)

It also happens certain popular notions

(like time travel, for instance) result

in frequent postings from different users.

These postings are annoying only to those

who've been around alot, yet some of the

posts on these popular topics are consi-

dered as a kind of spam and therefore dele-

ted by moderators.

Again, I agree with such a particular in-

tervention by any moderator.

But the moderator(s) need[s] no defence for

their actions, as the rules on totse (to

be read at the FAQ (http://www.totse.com/en/_faq/totse_faq.html)), are dim and outdated.

Let's get this over with: totse is a re-

fuse-dump, and if anyone wants to cover

this with a thin, suggestive layer of free-

dom, go ahead.

But its appeal isn't freedom, but its wide

variety of subjects discussed.



[This message has been edited by consule veritatem (edited 07-03-2005).]

quote:Originally posted by Eudaemonistic_SOB:

I like the clarification that is offered on what you consider freedom. Thank you.

Indeed

2 things that makes totse special.

the diversity of the posters and that the person who flames you today or who annoys da fuck outta you today ,will tomorrow be the person who helps you or just makes you laugh.

also the knowledge of some of the posters on the forums is awe inspiring (for example wicked rains,cense,jebounag,dr.despondency,trueborn vorpal,DC,biopsy and and and)

I think I remember reading somewhere in SG that Jeff Hunter or one of the other admins was changing a script somewhere, and accidently caused the fucked up images and urls.

did you see captian gh3ys rendition of that post. That was great.

Excellent. Wintermute's thread starter was one of the better presuasive posts I have read in the last few weeks.

Oh? Really?

Why is it then that every time a moderator like snoopy has a foolish grudge, they need simply say the word and get people banned?

I have no problem with kidiots being here, but I'll flame them as I like. But when a mod, and in some cases administators, act like complete idiots and abuse their power, it's not freedom.

quote:Originally posted by static_void:

I think I remember reading somewhere in SG that Jeff Hunter or one of the other admins was changing a script somewhere, and accidently caused the fucked up images and urls.

Well, they need to fix it soon. It's really starting to piss me off! http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

You know, i feel the same way. I have been here as long as you and i can rember a little of the 98 99 version of this site. Then i left and rembered it in 2000 and came back. And no Im Not attempting to merit myself as a high ranking whatever its just a fact, but it was back then that totse didnt have its bbs online and it didnt for like what 2 years?? I dont rember i just knew i left cause there was no interaction.

I know this site at one time and its members were a full supporters of the freedom of speech and the pratice of expressing yourself with the volume often turned up. I like that and it was awesome. But with freedom and expression comes idiots but that comes with the terratory and you cant put them down just because you dont agree with the way the express them selves. But lately that seems to be the problem, many of the moderators on this site cant seem to grasp that concept of expression and define that bewteen freedom of speech and spamming. I have been in the chat room before just chatting and the moment i say to the chat room mod that i though she or he was being a bit over dramatic about her brother getting arrested i get kicked out, or the mods on the forums dont like what you say. Hey fuck them ill just show them whos got the Kick Topic button and ass fuck them. Thats noght right. IN the FAQ and in previous threads from years back i saw Enigma say that totse was a dictator ship, in all of the dictator ships im acostomed to i notice that the freedom of speech really isnt supported. But this is technicly his site and thats fine. I do think that some common sence and decincy is in order for a lot of the mods but there not the only ones, i know most of the new members and shit even the old ones are just completly retarted and bypass the notion that we are able to express ourselves freely in this enviroment, this is becuase there to busy looking at the opinions of others flaming them and the mods assfucking threads into submission cause there offended easily. Witch this anger has been brought on by people constatly posting tubgirl and g o atse pics every fuck were. i guess there is nothing we can actually do, except rember the wave and the effect it cause of this internet generation of newfound harmony and understanding that we so miss from the days before, ok thats its for my rambiling but Suzie you make a good point i suppose i have never been able to sum it up without going into hysteria while typing so thanks for the post.

quote:Originally posted by sambob:

I hope everyone that posts in R&R regularly reads this ,because this is exactly what Goose and I are trying to bring back to that forum.

Some people say that our zero tolerance policy on flaming and spamming is going against totse rules... but it has nothing to do with the flaming and spamming specifically. Its about doing it in the WRONG PLACE.

So people.. keep in mind you can flame, argue, whatever you want... but do it in the right place! Try to keep discussions in their proper forum.

Amen.

is it just me, or is wintermute friggen' HAWT?

her name is Suzie I believe?

quote:Originally posted by Mortose:

I have been in the chat room before just chatting and the moment i say to the chat room mod that i though she or he was being a bit over dramatic about her brother getting arrested i get kicked out

It seems as though you've been to #totse before http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif)

But anyway, that's just fine, because as wintermute loves to point out all the time, the forums and the channel are different places with different rules, so it's just fine for them to be complete pricks and ban you for months over meger bullshit, or a single disagree ment.

free at last, free at last, thank god oh mighty I'm free at last.

quote:Originally posted by jackketch:

2 things that makes totse special.

the diversity of the posters and that the person who flames you today or who annoys da fuck outta you today ,will tomorrow be the person who helps you or just makes you laugh.

also the knowledge of some of the posters on the forums is awe inspiring (for example wicked rains,cense,jebounag,dr.despondency,trueborn vorpal,DC,biopsy and and and)

Yes it's true that some of totse's member's only seem to be trying to get a laugh now and then, there are some who only seem to get a thrill by spamming peoples threads and just outright trying to cause trouble for other's here. These are the one's that make some bannings a necessity.

Thankfully I haven't had to ask for anyone to be banned in SOTD yet. I hope I won't ever have to. If there is a thread I think would be be more suited for another forum I simply reply that I'm moving it there and then do so.

quote:Originally posted by Wintermute:

Since my return as Administrator there is one thing I have noticed. Too many people have zero clue what totse is about.

I believe that at this date and point in time, I have been around more consistently, and longer than any other active user............etc.

STFU NOoB!!!11! Now THATS what i call freedom!

quote:Originally posted by Delicious_Bass:

STFU NOoB!!!11! Now THATS what i call freedom!

While I may not agree with what you say sir, I'll defend to the death your right to say it. http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif)

I've only been on totse for just under a year, but I must say that I love this place. I admit that I have performed some flames, and posted some pointless threads(for the most part in Half Baked) but I consider myself to be a fairly good poster. I like the community on totse, and except for a few trolls and kidiots, I think it's one of the tightest-knit on the internet; Definitely the closest I've discovered.

What I love the most is how I can engage in a serious debate in humanities or politics, and then go to Spurious or half baked for a few laughs.

I've matured so much since coming to totse. I seriously doubt that anything on totse I've read has had any real bearing on this(I do have a life outside of my computer room), but Totse has given me a place to cool off. There are some seriously smart people on these forums, and for the most part, people are happy to help out when someone has a question(flamers and trolls aside.)

tits

Yo

One time I sucked six in a row

One time I sucked six dirty dicks in a row

One time I got my kicks with Joe and I sucked his dick

And five of his friends in a row

One time I sucked six in a row

One time I sucked six dirty dicks in a row

One time I got my kicks with Joe and I sucked his dick

And five of his friends in a row

gazongas!

What happened to the camroderie of the totsians these days?

100th post http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

I've never posted here before.

Wintermute, I know #totse and the forums are different and have different rules, but why was I banned from #totse? The only reason I can think of is that you kicked me out for lurking, but that was the first and only time that happened.

Wintermute lights my fire.

For the second and final time I DID NOT BAN YOU.

I AM NOT THE ONLY OP.

Wintermute, I know you are an intelligent person with good opinions, and I would appreciate yours on This. (http://www.totse.com/bbs/Forum3/HTML/209974.html)

I've posted it in a couple places, but recieved little or no response.

I'm wondering if this is because it's really that bad of an idea or just because people are lazy.

Anyways, I'd love to hear your two cents.

Peace

Edit: Stupid UBBCode... http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif)

[This message has been edited by Switch72 (edited 07-04-2005).]

There is no connection with foregoing posts. I just thought this would be fitting in this "What Totse is about" thread.

quote:Trolls post annoying and abusive messages in order to incite anger and in an attempt to force reactions. Difficult as it can be at times, PLEASE AVOID REPLYING TO ALL SUCH POSTS and thus feeding the trolls. Since trolls exist only for the attention they can generate, they will leave only — and always — when they are simply ignored.

From http://www.grc.com/discussions.htm

"annoying and abusive messages in order to incite anger and in an attempt to force reactions".

You often find "definitions" of trolls as someone posting only in order to get reactions, but this is not complete.

quote:Originally posted by Wintermute:

For the second and final time I DID NOT BAN YOU.

I AM NOT THE ONLY OP.

Yeah, this was the first time I asked but I was impatient. Sorry for jumping to conclusions, won't happen again.

Wintermute, please read entire thread + my new addition. (http://www.totse.com/bbs/Forum3/HTML/209974.html)

Thank you.

Peace

Edit: I don't mean to be pushy, but I strongly believe that this is a good idea and wish the Admin would see it as I do.

Thank you for your time.

[This message has been edited by Switch72 (edited 07-07-2005).]

My article in FAQ owns.

Okay Wintermute, I've given up on the Status thing.

After all, you're the boss. (http://hitlermute.notlong.com) http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif)

Peace

Edit:SP

[This message has been edited by Switch72 (edited 07-07-2005).]

Wintermute, you fucked up totse, congratulations.

Heh.

I'm the one FIXING the damn thing, you guys are the ones breaking it, posting so much fucking crap the system overloads.

Using the empirical method:

-Totse runs more or less coherently since 2000.

-Wintermute leaves.

-Wintermute comes back.

-Wintermute changes some setting.

-Totse starts fucking up.

-Whole thing crashes.

-Posters get the blame for doing the same thing they have been doing for the last two years.

Page view per million for the last few month's have been actually falling:

<A HREF="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v228/Theorix/u.png">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v228/Theorix/u.png" width="90" height="90 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v228/Theorix/u.png" width="90" height="90)</A> . The conclusion is that since the bandwidth would seem to have been used steadily over the last few months the (un-need) changes wintermute has made are the cause of the current state of the boards.

quote:Originally posted by Weffy:

Wintermute, you fucked up totse, congratulations.

Hahahahahahha. I dont care who did it, or what the hell caused it, or whatever.



Just whoevers in charge do your best to get it back up.

Thank you.

[This message has been edited by moldykorn (edited 07-08-2005).]

quote:Originally posted by Wintermute:

I'm the one FIXING the damn thing, you guys are the ones breaking it, posting so much fucking crap the system overloads.

In communist russia WE USE NEW UP-TO-DATE SOFTWARE

and a lot of the usual people in the forums are getting pissed too its not cool anymore come on 300 secs thats to fucking stupid Why are the mods here ??, to bully everyone or some shit like that. when the DB overloads just delete the crap or delete some archives or get a new software system or some good ol` harddrives exra in the rack ?? or do some modding and don`t give me an exuse that you have better thing to do because you don`t

quote:Originally posted by Class-X:

I fail at coherency. I deserve to have my prostate ripped out and fed to yetis.



Seriously people, just stop posting until they get it under control.

I put my vote in for new software.

will it happen, no.

I put a guinea pig down here somewhere. Has anyone seen it..?

If Totse is about freedom what is up with having to call Zok "hwis"?

If Totse were really about freedom of speech, mods wouldn't be able to edit others' posts.

There is no freedom on here. Only what the mods deign it to be.

This place went to shit because of that skanky fat bitch editing everyone's posts.

Now watch this get edited.

quote:Originally posted by The_Reckoning Returns:

If Totse were really about freedom of speech, mods wouldn't be able to edit others' posts.

There is no freedom on here. Only what the mods deign it to be.

This place went to shit because of that skanky fat bitch editing everyone's posts.

Now watch this get edited.

I'll quote it, so it doesn't get edited.

quote:Originally posted by The_Reckoning Returns:

If Totse were really about freedom of speech, mods wouldn't be able to edit others' posts.

There is no freedom on here. Only what the mods deign it to be.

This place went to shit because of that skanky fat bitch editing everyone's posts.

Now watch this get edited.

I agree. Only reason I can see something is being altered is if you move a thread from one section to another if it's in the wrong area. Power freaks.

Noooooo! Half Baked! http://www.totse.com/bbs/mad.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/mad.gif) http://www.totse.com/bbs/mad.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/mad.gif) http://www.totse.com/bbs/mad.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/mad.gif) http://www.totse.com/bbs/mad.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/mad.gif)

{DA}

quote:Originally posted by Bleeder:

I'll quote it, so it doesn't get edited.

What you think the mods can't edit your post, too? http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif)



Totse is not a democracy, and there is no free speech.

Words are a tool of communications and are often used to the detriment of their real meaning, said in certain context of time and place they may carry seeds for peace or war in our world.

Inspiring, and an eye opener.

To you who are aguring the very clear and understandable points of wintermute, you must understand some things first.

The purpose of this post was to remind us of why totse is here. Yes, there will always be faults in a system, no matter what. But if you ignore the faults and do nothing, they will grow. This is to remind us of the faults we make, so we can try and not make them agian. To downsize the problems. But do not think it is the end of the world, when something goes sour. It is too be expected. This was merely meant as an eye opener.



[This message has been edited by tangerine (edited 07-26-2005).]

Totse is copywritten?

what does totse stand for

^Kaveman89,I think I should hurt you for that comment.Look on the front page,I shouldn't have to tell you nor anyone else here either.

However I just read that whole thing on the front page & they make a very good point.Only problem though is,as other posters have written here before me,I've noticed this place is sometimes run like a democracy,but run on the firm beliefs of freedom.Sure sometimes mod's & admin's will edit posts,but alot of times it's for the better good that no-one else see those posts,they could either have too much info than anyone needs to know,or they're so idiotic & full of B.S. that who the hell wants to see it anyways?Or it could be said by someone who's not entitled to say what they did,but that's another story altogether in itself.



Also Jeff probably does haunt the site,just not in a namem that we would know him by...mwa hahahaha~:P

For the millionth time, you want new software, ASK JEFF. None of the rest of us have access to even bloody well fix bugs in the code we HAVE.

And I love all these people saying I edit posts all the time, and I ban people for saying things I don't like.

I BAN PEOPLE FOR BREAKING THE RULES. It's too much of a pain in the ass to do it for any other reason.

I edit posts ONLY when it is necessary.

The reason people think I edit a lot of posts are the idiots who post messages with the "this has been edited by wintermute" thing, just in a stupid attempt to be funny/make me look bad.

Before I begin the meat of this post, I'd like it to be known that this is the first time I'm directly attacking an admin. or mod.(with the exception of Snoopy, but that's just par for the course) in the three names I've had on &TOTSE, and I had no real problem with Wintermute, until Half Baked got closed, so this isn't just another random attack on an admin. I don't particularly care for.

Wintermute, I have to say, the original post in this thread was one of the most coherant and well worded pieces of hypocrisy I've ever seen. You spouted off about how the freedom on &TOTSE makes it great, how it's so good that people have the freedom to be morons and idiots and fools, but then you go and close an entire forum, because people were posting like morons, idiots, and fools. Bravo and good job indeed, the first amendment doesn't protect popular speech, you know. What's worse about this situation is that the people were at least attempting to post thier bullshit in the propper forum, but was that good enough for you, nooooo, you wanted them to post Wintermute approved idiocy. And then you say that you'll allow people back into Half Baked if they behave in Spurious? So what you're saying is that people like myself, who have not made a useless post out side of Half Baked(by the way, my idea of a useless post was "Guess what my name means" and "Tripple Brew Coffee"), who haven't spammed, who haven't trolled, who've obeyed the rules of &TOTSE, have to get down on all fours, pucker up, and kiss your ass to be allowed back into the forum we choose to post in? I'm sorry to say, that's some steaming bullshit right there. You telling us about freedom is about as ironic as the title of the Patriot Act.

quote:Originally posted by 3PushesBullet:

Before I begin the meat of this post, I'd like it to be known that this is the first time I'm directly attacking an admin. or mod.(with the exception of Snoopy, but that's just par for the course) in the three names I've had on &TOTSE, and I had no real problem with Wintermute, until Half Baked got closed, so this isn't just another random attack on an admin. I don't particularly care for.

Wintermute, I have to say, the original post in this thread was one of the most coherant and well worded pieces of hypocrisy I've ever seen. You spouted off about how the freedom on &TOTSE makes it great, how it's so good that people have the freedom to be morons and idiots and fools, but then you go and close an entire forum, because people were posting like morons, idiots, and fools. Bravo and good job indeed, the first amendment doesn't protect popular speech, you know. What's worse about this situation is that the people were at least attempting to post thier bullshit in the propper forum, but was that good enough for you, nooooo, you wanted them to post Wintermute approved idiocy. And then you say that you'll allow people back into Half Baked if they behave in Spurious? So what you're saying is that people like myself, who have not made a useless post out side of Half Baked(by the way, my idea of a useless post was "Guess what my name means" and "Tripple Brew Coffee"), who haven't spammed, who haven't trolled, who've obeyed the rules of &TOTSE, have to get down on all fours, pucker up, and kiss your ass to be allowed back into the forum we choose to post in? I'm sorry to say, that's some steaming bullshit right there. You telling us about freedom is about as ironic as the title of the Patriot Act.

*clap clap clap*

quote:Originally posted by 3PushesBullet:

Before I begin the meat of this post, I'd like it to be known that this is the first time I'm directly attacking an admin. or mod.(with the exception of Snoopy, but that's just par for the course) in the three names I've had on &TOTSE, and I had no real problem with Wintermute, until Half Baked got closed, so this isn't just another random attack on an admin. I don't particularly care for.

Wintermute, I have to say, the original post in this thread was one of the most coherant and well worded pieces of hypocrisy I've ever seen. You spouted off about how the freedom on &TOTSE makes it great, how it's so good that people have the freedom to be morons and idiots and fools, but then you go and close an entire forum, because people were posting like morons, idiots, and fools. Bravo and good job indeed, the first amendment doesn't protect popular speech, you know. What's worse about this situation is that the people were at least attempting to post thier bullshit in the propper forum, but was that good enough for you, nooooo, you wanted them to post Wintermute approved idiocy. And then you say that you'll allow people back into Half Baked if they behave in Spurious? So what you're saying is that people like myself, who have not made a useless post out side of Half Baked(by the way, my idea of a useless post was "Guess what my name means" and "Tripple Brew Coffee"), who haven't spammed, who haven't trolled, who've obeyed the rules of &TOTSE, have to get down on all fours, pucker up, and kiss your ass to be allowed back into the forum we choose to post in? I'm sorry to say, that's some steaming bullshit right there. You telling us about freedom is about as ironic as the title of the Patriot Act.

This is the attitude that is killing TOTSE.

When you talk about TOTSE, you have to kind of think with a Linux mentality. There is Free as in Speech and Free as in beer.

For as long as I've been coming here, which is for many moons, TOTSe has always been free, free in speech and free as in beer. However, if the site is dying on it's arse due to too much spam then that means either the free speech or the free beer idea's have to be modified slightly.

HB was totally full of spam, rammed with the stuff, and SG was/is getting that way. There have been spam seasons in the past, when Wintermute has been around and when she has not, and apart from the odd thread closure and the VERY occasional banning, everything went on as normal. However, when the spam gets that bad it starts shutting down whole sections of the site, then as far as I see it, a judgement call needed to be made, and I think that the admins/mods made the right one.

I think it's really sad that this has happened, it's actually really upset me becuase it does go against what TOTSE is about, but if it has to happen, becuase of idiots running riot, then so be it. To me, sad as it is, it's by far and away the lesser of the two evils, and the one that could have happily been prevented had idiots not made a mess of something that they should have felt fucking lucky to have at all.

Rip

quote:Originally posted by RipSlider:

This is the attitude that is killing TOTSE.

When you talk about TOTSE, you have to kind of think with a Linux mentality. There is Free as in Speech and Free as in beer.

For as long as I've been coming here, which is for many moons, TOTSe has always been free, free in speech and free as in beer. However, if the site is dying on it's arse due to too much spam then that means either the free speech or the free beer idea's have to be modified slightly.

HB was totally full of spam, rammed with the stuff, and SG was/is getting that way. There have been spam seasons in the past, when Wintermute has been around and when she has not, and apart from the odd thread closure and the VERY occasional banning, everything went on as normal. However, when the spam gets that bad it starts shutting down whole sections of the site, then as far as I see it, a judgement call needed to be made, and I think that the admins/mods made the right one.

I think it's really sad that this has happened, it's actually really upset me becuase it does go against what TOTSE is about, but if it has to happen, becuase of idiots running riot, then so be it. To me, sad as it is, it's by far and away the lesser of the two evils, and the one that could have happily been prevented had idiots not made a mess of something that they should have felt fucking lucky to have at all.

Rip

What in the bluest of blue hells are you talking about, free speech and free beer? I think I got the gist of your post, but what the fuck is with the beer metaphor?

So what you're saying is I have to suffer because of idiots, instead of the people doing it. Instead of the people who post so much spam it's like we're all on welfare getting banned, like they rightly should, I don't get to post where I want. When somebody commits a murder, people who use the same street don't get punished do they? No, they don't. That's basicaly what Wintermute did, she punished the many for the actions of the few. After saying how much she likes the idea of people being free to post what they wanted, without recourse.

I fail to see how my attitude is killing &TOTSE. The attitude that I should be able to post in whatever forum that I choose because I've followed the rules of &TOTSE, the attitude that it's fucked up that Wintermute locked one of my favorite forums because she didn't want to clean it up, and is playing baby-sitter by saying that "if you behave in Spurious, I'll let you back into Half Baked."? Is that the attitude you're talking about?

I dont understand why anyone wants HB back so badly...why not leave and go to one of the other unmoderated forums on the internet..how fucking hard is that? Is it necessary for totse to have a forum to accomodate stupid posts? I dont think so.

quote:Originally posted by n1k:

I dont understand why anyone wants HB back so badly...why not leave and go to one of the other unmoderated forums on the internet..how fucking hard is that? Is it necessary for totse to have a forum to accomodate stupid posts? I dont think so.

Well, it's either give HB Back, or put up with the shit in Spurious. besides, sometimes you just want to shoot the shit with the people you know from the internet, we all don't post exclusively in HB you know.

quote:Originally posted by 50 CeNt BaBy GuRl xOx:

FUCK YOU WM YOU CUM BITCH....

I HACKED LIKE 50 TTOTSE USER NAMES TO SPAM&lt; SO DONT THINK YOU CAN GET RID OF THIS&gt;

BRING HB BACK!!

Ok, Wintermute, I want it known that I in no way associate myself with this dumb cunt. I don't care if it's a joke, it's played out and stupid, you need to go sit in the corner and think about what you've done. It's really embarassing that I'm going to get lumped in with this fucktard simply because I post in HB. Here's a suggestion for a quick fix for Half Baked, ban retards like this. That was not a logical arguement, nor was it in any way humorus, it was simple. These are the tards that like to spam, so ban them, and don't close HB.

I like this thread. I'll admit that I get irritated by certain behavior on here and sometimes I let it get to me, but thats my own fault. I think a lot of users here just don't give a fuck about totse, because it's just an internet forum. You can be an ass and there are no consequences...

I only read Wintermute's post, but I would just like to say that my IP address is 127.0.0.1

When someone registers, they should be FORCED to read the FAQ, like "this page will forward you in 5 minutes, from then on you can post, please read this FAQ carefully and understand it. Thankyou". (like the flood control, 60 something seconds)

Meaning, once you have created a username or something, you can't post until you have sat through looking at the FAQ for a certain amount of time.

From then on you can post when and where ever you want, atleast people will know the rules.

^Even better - you have to pass (ace..) a 20 question, multiple choice quiz about the totse faq to register.

People, use your heads. No one is going to want to review new registration applications, especially considering everyone will simply cut & paste an essay from somewhere else on the internet. Tests would fail in the same way.

Even though it is not technically possible at this point, I would be in favor of moderators being able to give temp bans or otherwise increase the flood control on individual users (and have these things tied not just to the IP, but the username too in order to defeat proxies).

Wintermute - either a Margaret Thatcher to cast *OUT* the demons of Lameness, or a Josef Stalin to sew death and destruction for her own avarice and need for power.

Either the best or worst thing about totse.

And I'm leaning towards the latter.

Totse is about banning multiple users, editing peoples posts, closing half baked, not accepting new registrations, and redoing totses layout that has been the same way for years.

Haha! Look at totse now!

quote:Originally posted by Wintermute:

Not many people read the FAQ.

I did.

Totse is all about wintermute being an incessent lard, that is all.

Ah, the good ol' days, they make me kinda thirsty. Keep up the good work kiddos.

Laters.

omfg, templeton, you're still alive???!?!!

update your profile with your current email address... I miss your sorry ass..

Suzie..

Wow, I love it.

Awesome explanation wintermute,

If anyone can read that and still flame others, they have no heart.

I myself really dislike it when other's try single out a certain person because they do not like their topic of choice for their post, i mean if you dont like it and the thread enrages you why leave the thread creator the gratification of have more posts on his thread.

One example i noticed was someone ( not naming anyone ) asked if anyone on totse knew where he could find a porn site for necropheoliacs *spelling?*

This man/woman was flamed into the bottomless pit of hell. While i myself really dont find the fun in having sex with a dead body maybe this man did and is looking for other's who share his compassion and will help him fuel it?

Another thing i find is people enjoy to flame "juggalo's" honestly about a year ago i called myself one... i love icp and everything and woohoo juggalo family. It actually felt good. I guess im not really a juggalo anymore, i mean i do listen to the odd icp song now and then... but really theres nothing wrong with any kinds of people.

Flamers who read this, just know, when you flame a person... it does not a single thing to them. I'm really sure they care that a person has taken the time to write a post on the internet about a person they will never know in a bad way...

I love totse, and i hope it continues to be a spread of valuable information and learning. I've been a member for quite a while and have very little posts and the only reason that is, is because i choose not to post much... but when i see something like this thread, i know it need a good ol' post from ReDrUm.

Catcha later see you in the forums.

Quit ragging on wintermute, she's done more good for this website than 5000 of you morons combined could possibly do.

quote:Originally posted by Social Junker:

Wintermute has a point there: Totse is sort of like "the United States of the Internet." OK, maybe that's a bad comparison at the moment, but my point is that everyone is always bitching about how the U.S. is run by a bunch of fascist pigs, when in reality, the U.S. is still one of the freest countries on the planet.

Totse is a lot like that, we're always bitching about the Mods, but yet we couldn't get away with a lot of the shit we do here at "other boards".

Rock on, Totse! http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif)

LOL!! http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

^The fact of the matter is, if you want to claim to be a free website, it should be a free website.

People get banned in IRC for talking about having sex with someones mother.

Unban words, its simple, controlling what people say because what they say is harmful?

And whats more

I concur. ...And still love you, Wintermute.

Thank you. I suppose.

Goodnight, have a good sleep everyone.

Friggin long/still read

Good work. Heritage(sp?) is all.

I have a question, what is it with these damn &totse things? what the fuck is &totse? don't you have to say something else before it like me &totse? or you & totse?? thats so stupid anyway, and i find Jeff HUnter to be a bird brained dick weed.

*ahem*



Totse is just this,

bitching about the mods, flaming of noobs usually with good reason, but its kinda fun isnt it? a little drama now and then, its the basis of reality tv.

how boring would totse be if we all got along and shit?

we would be reading "what color shits have you had?" posts in spurious.

oh yeah, the new format flosses sac hairs.

bow out gracefully, wintermute

You're right, never seen it like that, totse is valuable.

quote:Originally posted by Wintermute:

Since my return as Administrator there is one thing I have noticed. Too many people have zero clue what totse is about.

I believe that at this date and point in time, I have been around more consistently, and longer than any other active user. I remember what totse was like when I first came here in 98, when the web version of totse was really only just getting off the ground, and before the inception of the web version of the BBS. I've watched totse go through so many changes, and so much, but it saddens me that people no longer understand exactly why it is here, exactly what totse is about.

Totse is about freedom. Freedom that many users nowadays have, and abuse, freedom that others don't understand.

It's often, that people want to ban, or remove other users, get rid of the kidiots, get rid of this subclass of members, force people to post in a certain way, with a certain intelligence level.

That's not freedom. It doesn't matter, truly, what anyone else posts here. It should only matter what YOU post. You have the freedom to post whatever you like, providing it does not abuse the system, or break our very few, very limited rules.

Those rules are - Do not post anything that is illegal, or could get totse in trouble, such as conspiring to commit a crime, posting about crimes you have committed (if you do this, you're very very dumb). This also means, you should not, EVER use the name of totse for anything other than referring to the site. IE, you do not have the right to use our name in creating other sites, other groups. One particular problem in the past was people creating "Totse army" type organisations, usually for 'warring' on other BBS's. You are merely a user here, you do not have the right to the name, Jeff Hunter does.

You are also not allowed to post personal information, whether it is your own or not. This includes names, addresses, telephone numbers, credit card or SS numbers, or ANYTHING else we deem personal information, such as IP addresses.

Attacking or Spamming the site is the only other thing we do not allow you to do. Those things will get you banned.

Other than that, you have the freedom to post, as does everyone else. It'd be nice if everyone posted intelligent, well thought out, and inspired posts, but that's not going to happen. Even when I was first a member here, there were trolls, and people who were idiots.

You should aspire to be respected for your opinions and your thoughts, but it's simply put, not something that everyone is capable of nor wants to be capable of..

And that's ok. You have the freedom to be a moron, if that's what you are. We won't ban you for being stupid, or pathetic, or idiotic, unless you break the above rules. We won't ban you even if EVERY OTHER USER HERE hates you.

Totse is a community which should live with freedom. We are not elitist. Yes, there are people that are respected more, yes, we have moderators and administrators, but you should think of us as simply other users that dedicate our time to keeping this place alive and kicking.

I firmly believe in what totse is about. I think that it's important that you can come here, and ask whatever question you like, and receive a variety of informed and uninformed opinions. We have some very intelligent and very knowledgable people here. People who know more than you could ever begin to imagine about so many esoteric subjects. I have left this site so many times, for as long as a year or more, but I return because this is a very unique place. There is nowhere else online where you can find THIS kind of community. There is nowhere else where you can find as much information, as great a resource as we have. Yes, you can find incorrect information, yes, you can find idiots, but if you have the intelligence to seek it out, you can find brilliance, too.

It's my hope, that when you read this, you have at least some clue as to why totse still exists, after all this time. Why we will NEVER become an elitist system, an elitist place that allows ONLY those posters we deem as valuable.

Everyone has the opportunity to become someone valuable, it's not up to me, or you, to judge whether someone is or is not. Sooner or later, everyone grows up, everyone learns something. Instead of bitching about other people, instead of flaming or responding to stupid posts, try making valuable ones yourself instead. Go find a question you can answer, a person you can help. Think about an interesting subject to discuss that hasn't been brought up before. Think about how to stand out by what you post, for your intelligence and wisdom, rather than for your stupidity, or ability to flame.

But hey, even if you don't do those things, you'll still be welcome here. That's what totse is about.

TRUE THAT WHITE POWER!!!!!!!

Fucking hell, I thought this thread would be over by now.

Although Totse is in it's 'ups and downs', we have SOME very dedicated users here.

(I see Totse graffiti every day, and even commit some. Oops, i commited to a crime, i''m sorry)

*slaps himself*

I love totse

God there have been alot of these topics "what totse is about" totse is about freedom bottom line.

So totse is about freedom?

So then why was my topic locked? ( http://www.totse.com/bbs/Forum31/HTML/003520.html )

Oh wait, I forgot that the moderators also have freedom.

IN B4 LOCK

quote:Originally posted by Splam:

So totse is about freedom?

So then why was my topic locked? ( http: //www.tots e.com/bbs/ Forum31/HTML/003520.html (http: //www.tots e.com/bbs/ Forum31/HT ML/003520. html) )

Oh wait, I forgot that the moderators also have freedom.

yes i was blocked as well. I rarely ever post in SG but for some reason everytime i try to post its removed within 5-10 minutes. I didnt do anything. I was never given a reason for being blocked. They just said hey what the hell...lets block him.

It's because mods have the right and the freedom to lock/delete your threads and admins have the right to remove you from the forum and lock/delete your threads.

Resurrected! :eek:

-Angus