We discussed it for a while, and you now have new categories, hopefully to make it easier to navigate around. We also returned Anime, since Red Raven made valid points. Backyard ballistics is also back, and Go Ballistic is now the Gun forum - a combo of RTBA and W&C, since we really could not see a reason for them to remain seperate.

A few forum descriptions have been changed, as well as a few names here and there. Some need work still, but inspiration was lacking, so we welcome suggestions.

Those of you asking for a medical forum, RY has been renamed to Give me your body, and now includes medical topics too.

We're still working on things, please, don't bitch about changes. If you don't like something a coherent and well thought out argument is the best way to change our minds. If you need an example, Red Raven's post in Zok's topic about changes is a very good one.

Everything looks fine as far as im concerned. No complaints here.

Nice, a medical forum. I like it. Thank you wintermute http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

Wait, you got banned? I just read "i got IP banned too... http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif)" in another thread here. Wtf?

[This message has been edited by matty4522 (edited 08-04-2005).]

Much much better kudos now why the hell is xip more cake and other great mods gone?

quote:Originally posted by matty4522:

Nice, a medical forum. I like it. Thank you wintermute http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

Wait, you got banned? I just read "i got IP banned too... http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif)" in another thread here. Wtf?



At rlplicas forum or what ever his name is.

quote:Originally posted by moldykorn:

Everything looks fine as far as im concerned. No complaints here.



Yes, make me moderator of something wintermute, I've been here for far to long.

Very nice. I love it.

quote:Originally posted by mapack:

At rlplicas forum or what ever his name is.



Thanks, i know i don't pay attention http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif)

SOTD and conspiricy please seperate them.

quote:Originally posted by mapack:

SOTD and conspiricy please seperate them.

Please.

I'm unable to post in GMYB/RIY.

When I go to post, the forum name it's trying to post to is still titled RIY.

EDIT: I believe what's happening is that all threads that were created under RIY are still pointing to that forum name, and all the new threads created under GMYB are pointing to the correct name.

[This message has been edited by Genesis (edited 08-04-2005).]

I have a minor bitch...I disagree that SA should be put under "vices". It seems like there'll be an incrase in the "how many times a day can you suck your own dick with soul_assassin_girl's picture imprinted on the insides of your eyelids?" threads, and a decrase of the more conversationalist threads about relationships, love, marriage etc, none of which are really vices. I think it belongs under humanities.

But I see you haven't destroyed the forum or anything, so it's no biggie. Just thought I'd point that out.

hmm ok i'll look into it

quote:Originally posted by Paradise Lost:

Very nice. I love it.

Yeah, I'm liking it. The categories are definitely a good idea.

I like the changes, i think there should be a Instrument/music theory forum and a sport forum.

Yeah, these are the first changes in the past few months that are actually good. w007.

Could Go Balistic be renamed Weapons and Combat?

It really covers everything, since RKBA is about weapons, and its our old forum name.

Also could it be moved from Vices to Science?

Owning a weapon or doing Karate is hardly a sin or a vice.

[This message has been edited by Faithless (edited 08-04-2005).]

well i think the dust finally is settling and after every person on totse (me included) went insane i think everyone is calming down and getting used to the changes.

so just don't screw up. http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

quote:Originally posted by The Walrus:

I like the changes, i think there should be a Instrument/music theory forum and a sport forum.



There already are. & rock & roll and go team.

Edit: My qualms with the changes made:

I think the discription for the new "paranoid delusions" should be re-worded to make it seem more like a combination of conspiracy and science of the damned. Except for the explicit mentioning of it in the last line, the description sounds like it's leaning way more towards conspiracy. Perhaps mention astral projections and lucid dreaming and some of the other things those SOTD guys seem so fond of talking about.

While I dont particularly like the name "go ballistic" I cant think of anything better right now, but I think the description could also benefit from additional mention of the combat side of things. It sounds very much like just 'a gun forum' from the description.

That's it. Otherwise, good job. I like it.

[This message has been edited by TheMessiahComplex (edited 08-04-2005).]

Much improvement. The forum is looking better than ever.

Very nice. The categories make it a hell of a lot easier to find the right forum. Don't have to hit CTRL+F to get where I'm going anymore.

I like it.

ummmm i tried to post in Eat Your Words and it said the forum didn't exist....sooooo if u admins wouldn't mind fixing that then there is a few things in there i need to reply to..... thanks in advance ur bestest pal sift http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

The only thing I'd change would be the capitalization of the forum names (which always seems to be a problem with totse, haha) and I don't really like having two "Ballistic" forums...

I'm just throwing out ideas but...

Now that totse has a few set categories, you could set sub-side bars that would take you to the category on the main community page. Also, placing a link to the BLTC forums on the drugs archive section, placing a link to the backyard ballistics forum for ka-fucking-boom, one for bad ideas...etc

These ideas do need some refinement and I don't think they should be implemented right now, I just wanted to throw them out there as possibilities.

I already posted this in Go Ballistic but I'm not sure you'll see it there.

1. Name it weapons and combat as that was the old name of one and would also cover RTBA, Go ballistic seems a little kidish too.

2. I only notice RTBA threads, but some said they had to be moved one at a time so I understand the fact the the W&C threads aren't here yet.

3. what is this doing in vices while making bombs is in science? I hardly consider weapons or defending yourself a vice.

4. I mean no offense, but WTF do you and zok know about guns, combat, the military, etc? Give us back ILP and parallax as mods. If you refuse to do that, at least give us some actual regulars to this forum, Faithless would be good, as would jodevilgod1 and HMC if they still come around.

[This message has been edited by Cloaked Dagger (edited 08-04-2005).]

I am pleased with the changes.

pffffffft.

All my suggestions have already been said here except I think the new W&C/TRTKBA should be moved to the "social" category instead of "science".

quote:Originally posted by Wintermute:

We discussed it for a while, and you now have new categories, hopefully to make it easier to navigate around. We also returned Anime, since Red Raven made valid points. Backyard ballistics is also back, and Go Ballistic is now the Gun forum - a combo of RTBA and W&C, since we really could not see a reason for them to remain seperate.

A few forum descriptions have been changed, as well as a few names here and there. Some need work still, but inspiration was lacking, so we welcome suggestions.

Those of you asking for a medical forum, RY has been renamed to Give me your body, and now includes medical topics too.

We're still working on things, please, don't bitch about changes. If you don't like something a coherent and well thought out argument is the best way to change our minds. If you need an example, Red Raven's post in Zok's topic about changes is a very good one.

Suzie: I'm as glad as anyone that things are finally back on track, and I'd like to add that it's a good move to remove snoopy from Games People Play. This is not an "OMG HE CLOSD MY THREAD FUK HIM!!!" kind of complaint, this generally because A)He's rarely around when he should be, and B)His judgement is sorely off on pretty much everything, and far too biased. He's better off moderating Spurious.

Anyhow, I must say that we do need, need a regular moderator in GPP. Xip was doing a fine job. If you need proof that an unguarded/poorly moderated video games forum is not a good idea, you only need to look at the forums at www.gamefaqs.com (http://www.gamefaqs.com) for an example. Of course, I'm assuming you're already looking for someone to do the job, so I'll just shut up now.

Yeah what's really funny about GPP, is that you people don't realise that that was actually the very first forum I moderated on totse. Ever.

It amuses me that noone knows all that much about me. I'm keeping GPP until I find someone good for it.

Yeah, I know go ballistic sucks ass as a forum name, and it's retarded having that and Backyard ballistics, but you should hear some of the other names we thought of. Also, that was the hardest forum to find a place for. If you read this topic, you can't even decide where it should go yourselves..

It took the three of us about 2 hours to hash all this out, and since we're all really burned out on talking about totse and dealing with totse this week, that's why some of the descriptions are crap and the names are uninspired.

We felt the gun forum needed a new name to reflect it's combined status.

Haha, I like it. I just think some of the mods who got there modship taken away, should be granted them again. Otherwise... good job, I knew if I waited, stuff would end up working.



Oh, and one more thing... since I see you are kind of 'upgrading' the forum, I beg of you not to insert anything like tags, or little pictures under the names. It gets too unorganized. That is a reason why I like being on totse, is because almost all other forums have all the pictures and tag things.

quote:Originally posted by Wintermute:

If you read this topic, you can't even decide where it should go yourselves..

Society is probably where it best fits, with technology a somewhat close second and science after that. I could even make an arguement for it belonging in entertainment but I don't believe it actually belongs there.

quote:Originally posted by Chinese Food52:

Oh, and one more thing... since I see you are kind of 'upgrading' the forum, I beg of you not to insert anything like tags, or little pictures under the names. It gets too unorganized. That is a reason why I like being on totse, is because almost all other forums have all the pictures and tag things.

Agreed... totse's simple nature is refreshing when everything else is bombarded with needless flair. If the slogan is raw data for raw nerves, theres obviously no need for pretty dress ups.

quote:Originally posted by Wintermute:

Yeah what's really funny about GPP, is that you people don't realise that that was actually the very first forum I moderated on totse. Ever.

It amuses me that noone knows all that much about me. I'm keeping GPP until I find someone good for it.

Oh, I remember. I still remember the time you posted a pic in either Anime or GPP (I can't remember now), and I was new and din't know you were a girl. I remember more than enough of totse's past, or at least GPP's past. The thing is you're an admininstrator now. You have to run the entire site, how do you expect to regularly be there for GPP?

Ah, but you're already dealing with that. Nevermind.

Can I be a Mod?



Im on a fair amount and would like to help things run more smoothly.

science of the dammed needs to be seperated from "paranoid delusions". the difference between the paranormal and conspiracies areisedia, or spurious and half baked, or go team and games people play, or mad scientists and lab tips.

this is retarded. why merge two forums that are almost 100% unrelated? i know im not going to be visiting that forum and im sure many of ther other SOTD regulars wont be either.

[This message has been edited by kindbud (edited 08-04-2005).]

The merged forums were both small, and both were ending up with only one mod because of the changes..

You may not like it, but why not post there? You can post anything that you could post in EITHER forum before.. why do you need them to be seperate for that?

also its not like SOTD was a slow forum. it had many many more posts than anime, green planet, art and design and go team.

quote:Originally posted by Wintermute:

The merged forums were both small, and both were ending up with only one mod because of the changes..

You may not like it, but why not post there? You can post anything that you could post in EITHER forum before.. why do you need them to be seperate for that?

i wont post there because now its going to be full of bullshit about how the moon landing was fake, how bush is an alien and how theyre putting chemcials in our water to control our minds.

like i said, its fucking retarded.

uh, the users make the forum. If you don't make good topics, obviously there's going to be bullshit there..

You become part of the problem instead of the solution.

quote:Originally posted by Wintermute:

uh, the users make the forum. If you don't make good topics, obviously there's going to be bullshit there..

You become part of the problem instead of the solution.

go to that forum right now and look at my post there. the first response i got was from someone whos a regular of conspiracy and not sotd. he/she basicly said that was i was talking about was bullshit.

besides i wasnt exactly talking about posts in my threads to begin with. i was talking about how my threads will be buried under the hundreds of threads about absured conspiracy theories.

quote:We're still working on things, please, don't bitch about changes. If you don't like something a coherent and well thought out argument is the best way to change our minds. If you need an example, Red Raven's post in Zok's topic about changes is a very good one.



Only thing I have left to say.

quote:Originally posted by Wintermute:

Only thing I have left to say.

seeing as youve already merged SOTD and conspiracy, and you dont seem to be agreeing with me, it looks like me sitting around waiting for you to finish with the changes isnt going to get SOTD back.

No, I don't agree with you, because you haven't given me a coherent and well thought out argument.

Are there going to be changes to the visual layout of Totse? For example; the back ground, or an option to select bold/italic/underlined type without etc?

wintermute. all you need to know is this:

theres a world of difference between the paranormal, and conspiracy theories.

sure, in some small way they'll always be distantly related. for example the whole rosewell incident. but theyre largely not related.

Damn fucking skippy.

Took the whole community to tell all of you dumb fucks that you were wrong.

- Kamisama

[This message has been edited by Jabba the Hutt (edited 08-04-2005).]

I think the new changes are excellent, don't let these Jews pursuade you into thinking you've done a bad job.

Is Wintermute and acidmelt the permanent mods for HB?

quote:Originally posted by BiOPSY:

I think the new changes are excellent, don't let these Jews pursuade you into thinking you've done a bad job.

Now totse looks and feels like every other forum on the internet. Categories and gay names. I was impartial to the other changes but this is retarded.

quote:Originally posted by spaawn7:

I'm a drama queen.

Same colors, still a simple layout, same topics, no avatars/sig/profile in every post.

Shut up.

I don't understand the point of having you and acidmelt mods of HB. I was under the impression that you could act as moderators pro-tem anyway, because you're both administrators.

While I agree that from time to time HB does require someone to cut the spam, the fact that you two are listed as moderators may intimidate users who would post funny, yet unintelligent, threads.

I like the new changes. I'm also wondering about who will moderate some of these forums but I know you'll be adding new mods so I'll wait.

Like I said in Zok's thread, I think Valmont would be a good mod for Spurious. He only has one forum to mod, Printed Matter, which is kind of slow. I've seen him in Spurious lately so he obviously active. In addition to all that Spurious could use another mod since more_coke was removed. Hopefully you'll take my suggestion into consideration.

i like the changes.

my thanks to all the mods/admins who worked on the new design.

its a little confusing, but all the forums are there, and thats what matters.

probably already been said, but alot of the mods are doubled up on like 3/4 forums. wouldnt it be easier for a mod to only have to moderate 1 or 2 at the most, forums?

So, Wintermute, when are you and your fellow administrators going to start selecting people to become the new moderators and assigning them to the forums?

Speaker is mad that he hasnt been un-banned.

quote:Originally posted by The Dangerous Camel:

I like the new changes. I'm also wondering about who will moderate some of these forums but I know you'll be adding new mods so I'll wait.

Like I said in Zok's thread, I think Valmont would be a good mod for Spurious. He only has one forum to mod, Printed Matter, which is kind of slow. I've seen him in Spurious lately so he obviously active. In addition to all that Spurious could use another mod since more_coke was removed. Hopefully you'll take my suggestion into consideration.



Fuck Valmont, make someone who already isn't a mod a mod.

Food Glorious Food just got turned into a shit hole.

quote:Originally posted by mapack:

SOTD and conspiricy please seperate them.



please please please http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif)

I also agree that Paranoid Delusions and Science of the Damned need to be seperate. In my opinion, the topics that went on in SoTD have no place in the new forum according to the description.

When searching for some of the old posts in SoTD, I noticed a good number of them got deleted and/or moved to Bitch and Moan. Also, Wintermute, you stated that anything allowed in SoTD is still legit in Paranoid Delusions. What about the meditation topic that was recently posted there and quickly moved to the new Body forum. There were plenty of topics about meditation in SoTD, and I feel they fit better there.

Its somewhat different to those of us who consistently browse and post in SoTD and study many of subjects within. The line between what fits in Paranoid Delusions and SoTD may seemed thin and blurred to many people, but to the regulars of these forums there is a distinct, wide gap. Please consider re-establishing SoTD.

EDIT Spelling

[This message has been edited by HarmonicJester (edited 08-04-2005).]

I'm liking the new categories http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif) Easier to navigate and such. Very nice work. Keep change a good thing.

quote:Originally posted by mapack:

SOTD and conspiricy please seperate them.

A-fucking-men. and im telling you id be a good Damned mod.

I like the changes, but you should really consider bringing System of the Down back.

I've kept my mouth shut through much of this, except for a few things in the channel. And now I feel its my turn to step up and say something.

Wintermute, Zok, Acidmelt. You three did a damn good job no matter what any of these guys say. I mean honestly, you guys are all giving up your free time to do this, its not like your getting paid, and even if you were its not coming out of the users pocket. So to all you guys who want to sit here and bitch about the changes, then as far as I, as well as a few others Im sure are concerned, feel free to leave, I can pretty much promise you that we wont miss you or for that matter even notice that your gone.

Now to those of you who are sitting there posting intelligent well thought out arguments, that didn't apply to you, because yes there are some kinks that need to be worked out. But like Zok said, just chill for a little while and it will all get worked out.

The only major problem I see is the paranoid delusion thing, and thats not even because Im a regular, which Im not, but because so many people are complaining about it. Sure it may not have been a very large forum in comparison to some of the forums here, but from the look of it they were a close bunch of people who enjoyed talking about the subject/s. I realize that there is still work to be done, and I respect that, but seriously consider giving these guys what they ask for, they deserve it.

But as I said in the beginning of my post, you guys did a hell of a job!

I like the changes. Thank you, admins.

Why isn't "Better Living Through Chemistry" in the Sciences category?

Oh god, I love it. All the organization, the neat, clean look...*orgasms*.

Seriously, I think it looks really tidy.

And, being a regular in RY, thank you for adding medical into it...even though it was sorda there anyway http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

Good job.

quote:Originally posted by MP Nesto:

I've kept my mouth shut through much of this, except for a few things in the channel. And now I feel its my turn to step up and say something.

Wintermute, Zok, Acidmelt. You three did a damn good job no matter what any of these guys say. I mean honestly, you guys are all giving up your free time to do this, its not like your getting paid, and even if you were its not coming out of the users pocket. So to all you guys who want to sit here and bitch about the changes, then as far as I, as well as a few others Im sure are concerned, feel free to leave, I can pretty much promise you that we wont miss you or for that matter even notice that your gone.

Now to those of you who are sitting there posting intelligent well thought out arguments, that didn't apply to you, because yes there are some kinks that need to be worked out. But like Zok said, just chill for a little while and it will all get worked out.

The only major problem I see is the paranoid delusion thing, and thats not even because Im a regular, which Im not, but because so many people are complaining about it. Sure it may not have been a very large forum in comparison to some of the forums here, but from the look of it they were a close bunch of people who enjoyed talking about the subject/s. I realize that there is still work to be done, and I respect that, but seriously consider giving these guys what they ask for, they deserve it.

But as I said in the beginning of my post, you guys did a hell of a job!



Thats interesting, because the admins "changes" of the W&C and RTBA forums were so shitty, that it caused pretty much every regular to leave the forums.

quote:Originally posted by Sir_JuGgLO:

Thats interesting, because the admins "changes" of the W&C and RTBA forums were so shitty, that it caused pretty much every regular to leave the forums.

The admins fixed it did they not?

Read Zok's orignal post about the changes, that may correct some of your ignorance.

Please Wintermute on behalf of all SOTD users (and there are many!) make a separate paranormal, pseudoscience, parapsychology forum for all things a bit out there!

Thanks!

I think you admins are doing just fine... the changes aren't so bad, a little better organized... and you're open to us users' suggestions... diversity with a little democracy, and a willingness to listen to us.

I have no suggestions at this point to offer, looks like you're working overtime to revamp the place.

In a present email to Mojo I told her 5 I suspected to be gone... 3 were cut, 2 stayed... I'm so fucking smart... /sucking my own dick... seriously though, I don't think it's that hard to see who's who....

EDIT: I meant past email....

[This message has been edited by Extant (edited 08-05-2005).]

quote:Originally posted by Narcoplectic:



Fuck Valmont, make someone who already isn't a mod a mod.

What, just for the sake of making someone a mod? Valmont's posts are intelligent and he's active on totse. They'll being making new mods so what would it hurt to give Valmont one more forum? He only has one forum and it's a slow one. If anyone was to be made a mod(that already isn't a mod) of Spurious it should be poeboy but I haven't seen him around lately.

i dont know if anybody pointed this out already, but how about bringing back 25 posts/page instead of 50p/p.

no biggie

quote:Originally posted by mastershake:

i dont know if anybody pointed this out already, but how about bringing back 25 posts/page instead of 50p/p.

no biggie



I like having 50 replies per page.

I just want to posit two arguments for your consideration:

Argument 1: Bad Ideas should go under "Vices."

1. Much of 'Bad Ideas' consists of illegal or immoral activities; that is a vice.

2. The other "General" forums are in a completely different vein--'Bad Ideas' doesn't fit in with SG, HB, and NotT.

Argument 2: The posts per page should be changed back to 25.

1. For individuals on a dialup connection, 25 posts per page will load slightly faster, meaning they can access content with greater ease (correct me on the technical aspects of this if I am wrong).

2. It is easier to lose one's place on a page with 50 posts, for instance if one hits the space bar or the home key while scrolling down a page. 50 ppp hurts navigation and access.

3. 25 ppp will not substantially increase server load, so there is absolutely no downside--if a topic becomes large enough to warp its listing with page numbers, it can be closed (like Night Ops).

Hmm. It's definately better then the 'old' 'new totse' (aka 2 days ago). http://www.totse.com/bbs/tongue.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/tongue.gif)

I actually like how their's categories and everything. The names and descriptions are pretty good too.

I'll get used to it....dont worry about me.

quote:Originally posted by MP Nesto:

The admins fixed it did they not?

Read Zok's orignal post about the changes, that may correct some of your ignorance.

Right...Ignorance. Demodding multiple mods, good mods, even one that was newly modded. Royally fucking up the forums which permenantly caused multiple regulars to leave totse, right im sure they fixed that.

quote:Originally posted by Berto2112:

I'll get used to it....dont worry about me.

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Goddamn that's some funny shit...

quote:Originally posted by The Dangerous Camel:

Goddamn that's some funny shit...

Its funny? I dont get it. http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif)

quote:Originally posted by Sir_JuGgLO:

Right...Ignorance. Demodding multiple mods, good mods, even one that was newly modded. Royally fucking up the forums which permenantly caused multiple regulars to leave totse, right im sure they fixed that.

As I said earlier, read Zok's original thread. It said more than once that they were not yet done with the changes and to wait it out. Now if these "regulars" you are speaking of didn't have the patience to wait then big deal? Why the hell should I, or anyone else care for that matter?

Looks alright.

quote:Originally posted by Mr.Happy:

Good job.

Um...Why did you rename some forums when you mention the old name below? I still think SoTD shouldn't be with conspiracy.

quote:Originally posted by HarmonicJester:

I also agree that Paranoid Delusions and Science of the Damned need to be seperate. In my opinion, the topics that went on in SoTD have no place in the new forum according to the description.

When searching for some of the old posts in SoTD, I noticed a good number of them got deleted and/or moved to Bitch and Moan. Also, Wintermute, you stated that anything allowed in SoTD is still legit in Paranoid Delusions. What about the meditation topic that was recently posted there and quickly moved to the new Body forum. There were plenty of topics about meditation in SoTD, and I feel they fit better there.

Its somewhat different to those of us who consistently browse and post in SoTD and study many of subjects within. The line between what fits in Paranoid Delusions and SoTD may seemed thin and blurred to many people, but to the regulars of these forums there is a distinct, wide gap. Please consider re-establishing SoTD.

EDIT Spelling

SoTD and Conspiracy have to be separate forums.

It's not even a question. If you conducted a poll of the SoTD and Conspiracy forum posters, you will no doubt find 99% of them disagree with the new merger of the two totally distinct forums. Change them back and everyone will be pleased.

Thankyou

Already said by countless members, but just wanted to add myself for the sake of opinion. Yes, Conspiracy and SoTD should be separated again.

I like the fresh new look you guys gave totse.

Keep up the good work!

-scuffmark

quote:Originally posted by The Dangerous Camel:

Goddamn that's some funny shit...

I agree. I laughed my arse off.

Go ballistic should not be in vices. thats my only problem.

Nice! I really like the categorys. But there are 2 forums that I think need to be changed a bit.

First Go Ballistic. I think some regulars that have already been mentioned or the old mods should be mods of the forum. It makes more sense to have people who are very experienced in charge of the forum. Also some name suggestions:

"(Using) Arms & The Right To Bear Them" [with or w/o 'Using']

"Weapons, Combat & The Right To Bear Arms"



Second, SOTD and Conspiracy should be separated. I never go to those forums and I can see the difference. SOTD is basically for telekineses(sp?) and ghosts. Conspiracy is basically for suspected government plots to steal from citizans or suspected supreme groups that control all politics and major events. Of course there are some grey areas and they both encompass more that what I said. But that should show how they are different.



Oh and also Bad Ideas probably fits better under Vices, and Oral Indulgences should not be under Sex & Affection, it makes it look like a blow job forum. FGF seemed like a fine name anyways. Or possibly a Homer Simpson saying, "Mmmmm...Food!" could be the name.



EDIT: Also why is it so bad to have more forums? Why is there a need to combine some? Why not split some? It just seems like you guys are reluctant to have more forums. How does it hurt? Although I do under stnad combining really low traffic forums, but even forums with moderate traffic should be able to stay seperate.

[This message has been edited by AGruntsJaggon (edited 08-06-2005).]

quote:Originally posted by ArgonPlasma2000:

Its funny? I dont get it. http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif)

I don't know, dancing letters just made me laugh.

Just gos to show you what happens when you leave the kids alone; I go camping for a week and find they've all gone click-happy.

arx_



[This message has been edited by arx (edited 08-06-2005).]

Hello!

As a user of this forum I think the addition of the Consipiracy forum and the SOTD forum isn't working out. I agree with others who have posted about it and think they should be separated. I miss my regular SOTD! I really can't figure out how conspiracy and SOTD could have been mixed together anyways... Well, I hope a change is made!

Thank you,

West

Posting in Fight and Bear Arms gets me this:

We cannot post this because the Forum Name being submitted does not match the forum name we have listed in our records. Use your back button to try again.

I like the new changes. The catagories make it easier to access forums. Good job Admins.

Okay ; in regards to panthrax's removal of mod status...

What happened? Was he "Confidential Source"?

I understand if you admins don't want to talk about it to us lowly regulars but I'd really appreciate it...

quote:Originally posted by static_void:



I understand if you admins don't want to talk about it to us lowly regulars but I'd really appreciate it...

I can't post to the admin list for some reason, so I'm in the dark, too.

Edit: Nevermind, email problem fixed.

[This message has been edited by Social Junker (edited 08-07-2005).]

quote:Originally posted by static_void:

Okay ; in regards to panthrax's removal of mod status...

What happened? Was he "Confidential Source"?

I understand if you admins don't want to talk about it to us lowly regulars but I'd really appreciate it...



I hope that opens it for me to be moderator.

Could you create some new moderators for Fight and Bear Arms, since you have a heavy workload already and the forums now got its first spammer.

Hmmm...

Looks like its time to leave for a few days again.

I would also like to know what happened to panthrax.....

Please tell us.

AND

What the fuck is BLTC doing in Vices? http://www.totse.com/bbs/mad.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/mad.gif)

OK, Wintermute:

I am assuming you actually read each and every response in this thread you have created.

Notice something peculiar (in regards to the whole ScienceOf... and Conspiracy... merger) throughout the responses contained herein????

NOT A SINGLE PERSON has commented that your merger has been a good thing. Nary a head has said your merger has made the site easier to navigate...nor has it made reading/posting more enjoyable/more informative/more entertaining.

In fact, every one has said that it has done more than a couple NEGATIVE things for ToTSE...Regulars leaving the site because they were fed up.

Posters faithful to their (now 1/2 of the forum) forum posting flames and worthless responses to topics created by the "other half."

Not to mention the basic fact that SO MANY PEOPLE HAVE COMPLAINED ABOUT IT!!!

I personally have never even entered either one of those (now singular) forums...

BUT, I think you have a great opportunity in front of you WINTERMUTE:

Separate the two forums, and you will have made many, many ToTSE members happy and they will be thankful for it, and you will have gained the respect of each and every single one of those people, not to mention the respect of members like me (who couldn't care less about the existence of those two forums.) You will also prove with great clarity your concern for the wishes and opinions of the members of this great collection of Internet Forums which you Administrate. You will clearly show that you enjoy being Admin because you want ToTSE to be the absolute best that it can be, and that you want to use your power and position as ADMIN for good, not for power-trips and ego inflation.

Do nothing and keep the two merged as a single forum, and you not only royally let down the ToTSE members who have intelligently presented their case for the separation of the two forums...But you also piss them off, as well as people like me who happened to get their interest picqued by this whole merger thing. You also will clearly demonstrate your pleasure in having your power as ADMIN, and your lack of respect for the MAJORITY of ToTSE members opinions and requests.



*** I should mention this: I mentioned above that I (and others like me) couldnt care less about Conspiracy... and ScienceOf... as forums. I dont care about their existence- I never have, and never will browse, lurk, respond, or create within either of those two (hopefully two, very very soon) forums. So, why this intelligent, well-thought-out response to WINTERMUTE???? Because, this whole situation represents something bigger than those two forums(again, as of now, ONE, but hopefully TWO in the immediate future.) Your actions and response to the requests of your members will say a lot about ToTSE and you yourself WINTERMUTE.

We are all waiting.

And watching.

Actually, I HAD been considering seperating the forums again.

But because of the way zok and am made the changes they did the other day, it basically requires quite a large amount of time to do so, especially without losing threads from the old W&C/RTBA..

Basically, it's a yeah, I'm going to seperate them again, but, for example, having to sit here weeding through the entirety of totse banning people for spamming crap about me, means (a) I'm less likely to feel like spending time on doing something like this and (b) I literally don't have the time..

There's a limited amount of free time I have in my life to spend working on this site. Lately it's been more hassle than anything else at all, however, I feel that I am responsible for this site, so I give up my time, as I think it's my job. I am fairly sure I spend a lot more time here than Zok and AM do, and I'm the only one that is going to do something like this.

In short, be patient, get the other users to quit bitching for a few days, and I'll de-merge the forums.

I know you might want to discuss it but, please, an explanation of the situation regarding panthrax. I know he won't be coming back and I know he probably pissed of the admins. All I ask, for me and the others members who claim loyalty to BLTC, just an explanation. If you don't want to discuss it, will you say so, I don't want to be left wondering if you'll ever address it.

I completely second what Camel-toe just stated. (I really do love your handle, Im just playin!)

Honestly, I have no real idea of what that whole situation is...

The only information on the whole mess is scattered in random threads within BLTC and brief mentions within this thread.

There was also a link I followed to something called "The Real Man's Forum" or something like that.

As far as I have been able to put together, Panthrax (or someone claiming to be him---a possibility I seriously consider the truth) admitted to being a poster under the name "CONFIDENTIAL SOURCE."

And I guess that person (Panthrax or someone else) using the handle CONFIDENTIAL SOURCE posted private ToTSE ADMIN emails, which contained private discussions which were never meant to be seen outside a private ADMIN email list...And from what I gather, the worst part is that the private information which was posted by this CONFIDENTIAL SOURCE contained legit contact information- full names, addresses, phone numbers, private emails, etc. That is not only a breach of trust and privacy, but in this crazy world, it is something not entirely innocent...I dont mean to say that whoever C.S. is put peoples' lives in danger, but C.S. did do something beyond an innocent prank with the very real possibility of inducing at the least harrasment and at the worst, physical harm to people. It is a stretch and it is not extremely realistic for something like that to result...But it is a possibility, however slight, nonetheless!

WINTERMUTE, I think it would be in your best interest to address the situation. (Or one of the ADMINs.) This situation has escalated into a HUUUUUGE debate/gossip topic/source of intense curiosity not only within ToTSE as a whole, but among numerous other internet forums and message boards.

To set the record straight, or at least to address what your side of the story is would benefit you personally and ToTSE management as a whole.

Not to mention, there is no legit information on what has even happened. I think letting gossip spread information (no doubt some, if not most or even all is fabricated) and refusing to address the situation would certainly be the wrong action to take. To quote the Kings of Prog-Rock, RUSH, "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice!"

It would be better to have a definitive statement on a) what happened and what was done, b) why that was wrong and what damage it did and could have potentially did, and c) what the repurcussions were and what they should/will be for something of that nature not only in this particular case, but in a future scenario as well.

That is in your best interest.

NOT TO MENTION, WE ALL WANT TO KNOW.

Word.

What Tinycomas said.

Seriously, just fuck confidentiality for a second and tell us what happened to Panthrax.

I could go into that whole speech about how he was "our" mod, and "we" want him back, but I wont because I don't really feel that way, and I know you would just shoot me down.

But... seriously. Tell us.

quote:Originally posted by TINYCOMAS:

[B]I completely second what Camel-toe just stated. (I really do love your handle, Im just playin!)



Cool, I'm glad someone does. I was pretty sure I just went unnoticed but I guess not. http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif)

*waits for an answer of any kind*

Edit: New info just surfaced in BLTC, panthrax cleared his name and told everyone that even he was confused about him being de-modded and the whole situation. Now, if it wasn't him then there is no reason why he should be de-modded. I know since you de-modded people you haven't made one exception about making them mods again but please. BLTC is a big forum and needs all the mods it can get and panthrax is a great mod. He knows what he is talking about and is committed. He has universal support in BLTC so could you please make him a mod again. From what he says, a mistake was made.

He wasn't irrational in the thread he made nor was he a dick about it. Unless you have concrete proof that he did it(seems very unlikely to me) then what reason do you have not to make him a mod again? Up until now I've supported the decisions and felt that the decisions made had good reason behind them however, I don't see it here. When I thought he had leaked the emails, I thought your decision seemed reasonable but now they seem like the admins acted on false information. BLTC needs and likes panthrax, don't take him away.

Note to other users who feel the same way: I know most of you are pissed about all this but please be rational in your posts. The admins will respond better to well thought out, respectful posts than, "Fuck you all!! Put panthrax back!!!". Just think about it before you post.

[This message has been edited by The Dangerous Camel (edited 08-08-2005).]

Without saying what all has been said about the Panthrax situation at the Admin list [I don't want anyone thinking that I'm being out of line], I can say that it has been brought to the attention of the Powers That Be.

And I'm confidant that once all the fact that can be known are known, that a rational and best for totse solution will be made.

Whether or not that means Panthrax will be a Mod again, I cannot say.

I can say that I hope he is reinstated and that I believe him in saying that he wasn't the leak.

But I'm not privy to everything and this is only one Mods opinion.

And I'd like to think that all my years [as Mod and in life in general] accounts for something http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif).

quote:Originally posted by Metaphysicist:

Without saying what all has been said about the Panthrax situation at the Admin list [I don't want anyone thinking that I'm being out of line], I can say that it has been brought to the attention of the Powers That Be.

And I'm confidant that once all the fact that can be known are known, that a rational and best for totse solution will be made.

Whether or not that means Panthrax will be a Mod again, I cannot say.

I can say that I hope he is reinstated and that I believe him in saying that he wasn't the leak.

But I'm not privy to everything and this is only one Mods opinion.

And I'd like to think that all my years [as Mod and in life in general] accounts for something http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif).

^This is quite a relief. Thank you Meta.

quote:Originally posted by Metaphysicist:



I can say that I hope he is reinstated and that I believe him in saying that he wasn't the leak.



Ditto, Meta. http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

quote:Originally posted by Metaphysicist:

I can say that I hope he is reinstated and that I believe him in saying that he wasn't the leak.

I agree, completely.

Panthrax has never shown anything but care for TOTSE, I highly doubt hes the leak.

quote:Originally posted by Wintermute:

Actually, I HAD been considering seperating the forums again.

But because of the way zok and am made the changes they did the other day, it basically requires quite a large amount of time to do so, especially without losing threads from the old W&C/RTBA..

Basically, it's a yeah, I'm going to seperate them again, but, for example, having to sit here weeding through the entirety of totse banning people for spamming crap about me, means (a) I'm less likely to feel like spending time on doing something like this and (b) I literally don't have the time..

There's a limited amount of free time I have in my life to spend working on this site. Lately it's been more hassle than anything else at all, however, I feel that I am responsible for this site, so I give up my time, as I think it's my job. I am fairly sure I spend a lot more time here than Zok and AM do, and I'm the only one that is going to do something like this.

In short, be patient, get the other users to quit bitching for a few days, and I'll de-merge the forums.

All of your hard work is much appreaciated wintermute. Keep up the good work and try not to have a mental meltdown in the process.



[This message has been edited by Nemisis (edited 08-08-2005).]

I noticed you didn't say anything about Paranoid Delusions and SOTD, Wintermute. I hope you have been considering seperating these forums as well. There seemed to be a slowdown of posts in Paranoid Delusions, most likely from a lack of regulars. Please realize that it seems as though the combined forum is 95% conspiracy and only 5% paranormal.

I know you are trying to fix Totse to the best of your ability, and I thank and respect you for that. It is by no means a small task. But please do not forget about us, we SoTD people try to keep the world a mysterious and interesting place.

quote:Originally posted by Wintermute:

Actually, I HAD been considering seperating the forums again.

But because of the way zok and am made the changes they did the other day, it basically requires quite a large amount of time to do so, especially without losing threads from the old W&C/RTBA..

Basically, it's a yeah, I'm going to seperate them again, but, for example, having to sit here weeding through the entirety of totse banning people for spamming crap about me, means (a) I'm less likely to feel like spending time on doing something like this and (b) I literally don't have the time..

There's a limited amount of free time I have in my life to spend working on this site. Lately it's been more hassle than anything else at all, however, I feel that I am responsible for this site, so I give up my time, as I think it's my job. I am fairly sure I spend a lot more time here than Zok and AM do, and I'm the only one that is going to do something like this.

In short, be patient, get the other users to quit bitching for a few days, and I'll de-merge the forums.



HarmonicJester are you fucking serious?

Learn to read.

Sorry buddy, but Im not seeing anything about Paranoid Delusions or Science of the Damned - unless its implied. Maybe you should read it again...

quote:Originally posted by HarmonicJester:

Sorry buddy, but Im not seeing anything about Paranoid Delusions or Science of the Damned - unless its implied. Maybe you should read it again...

She was replying to the post above her which was too large to quote, but was talking about PD, SoTD, and C!. Read the other posts next time.

MP Nesto dont be a dick.

[This message has been edited by AGruntsJaggon (edited 08-09-2005).]

You know, I have always respected everyone in this whole conglomeration of electronic pulses and hard work known as totse. I think that in the true totse fashion, every person has the right to do whatever they want to whatever they please as long as it harms no one else. In my 3 years of visiting here and my near one year of posting here, I've learned a few things.

Some people are ignorant as to what totse is about. Said before, but I'll reiterate again. Freedom. If wintermute, Zok, Acidmelt, Jeff feel something isn't right, then damn well they can do what they want. I guarantee if someone disgraced my website, i'd be pissed. I do have a small website that I govern, but not that many people go there, because it's a band site. There have been the occasional troll and asshole that like to post crap in the guestbook, and I handle it accordingly, down to tracking I.P's. I don't care, like that one guy said, "Iffa you dont'a like'a my house, get the FUCK out!" I'm sure actually most the people here know what's up, but you have some that abuse the priveledge. That sucks, but hey, we're on the good ol' world wide web, and trust me, Andrew Dice Clay said it best - So many assholes, so few bullets. Hey, what are ya gonna do?

The point is, I love this site and those who govern it and who have been with it, and whatever changes come its way, I will gladly accept them. Half of peoples' problem is they can't adapt. But, if you can't adapt, you can't survive. There's this thing called entropy, and it means you'll never win, you might break even and you are destined to ultimatly lose. So enjoy today, because tomorrow may not come, or it might be drastically altered.

Yeah, I don't post many topics on this site because I feel that I have nothing important to say, with all the murder/suicides, pwned people, and raid huffers, I personally don't do that shit. I respect what I'm given, and I treat it like it's my own.

I'd like to extend my e-hand out to all the admins, mods and regulars who make this area a better world than the world in cyberland. It doesn't suck.

As a small thing, I know it's not IFIOTW, but one site that really stands out that almost could go hand in hand here is a site called http://www.halexandria.org

Pretty influential if you ask me.

Ok, I suppose I've wasted enough of Jeff's bandwidth, so remember, to always explore, expose and explain all that which is forbidden.

When can new members join?

Regular member?

quote:Originally posted by Spic Power:

Regular member?

quote:Originally posted by Spic Power:

Regular member?

I've seen Junior Member also.

What's this about? Could we have a long-winded explanation?

I see that we have Regular/Junior Member tags now...

quote:Originally posted by Social Junker:

I see that we have Regular/Junior Member tags now...



Is that it?

What causes your status to move up?

I meant when can people register on totse. What is the time window?

quote:Originally posted by Spic Power:

Regular member?

DAMMIT WINTERMUTE ANSWER THIS!

quote:Originally posted by Paradise Lost:

DAMMIT WINTERMUTE ANSWER THIS!

I can't find anyone with a Junior tag to see this for myself. Please help me and Wintermute, please explain it to us all.

0 to 300 posts: Jr. Member.

300+ posts: Regular Member.

quote:Originally posted by Metaphysicist:

0 to 300 posts: Jr. Member.

300+ posts: Regular Member.

bad. Induces spamming.

quote:Originally posted by Lundmark:

Originally posted by Metaphysicist:

0 to 300 posts: Jr. Member.

300+ posts: Regular Member.

bad. Induces spamming.



Please don't take the moderators as stupid, my friend. This is already being discussed.

Well, I've come back and things look like they've settled a bit more, and I like it for the most part.

By the way, is it just me, or does putting the forums into categories make Totse BBS look smaller? I dunno, maybe it's just me. It's not a bad thing, just an observation.

The only major qualm I have is the SOTD/Conspiracy issue, but apparently that's going to get solved soon.

quote:Originally posted by Social Junker:

Yeah, I'm liking it. The categories are definitely a good idea.

Hmm, you have been made a mod. Congrats and do a good job.

quote:Originally posted by Wintermute:

uh, the users make the forum. If you don't make good topics, obviously there's going to be bullshit there..

Even more obvious is the fact that there is bullshit even in good topics.

quote:Originally posted by Irregular:

The only thing I'd change would be the capitalization of the forum names (which always seems to be a problem with totse, haha) and I don't really like having two "Ballistic" forums...

That's because Totse is a Forum With Balls, don't you know (just to stay in the anglo-saxon cultural sphere). http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

quote:Originally posted by Chinese Food52:

Oh, and one more thing... since I see you are kind of 'upgrading' the forum, I beg of you not to insert anything like tags, or little pictures under the names. It gets too unorganized. That is a reason why I like being on totse, is because almost all other forums have all the pictures and tag things.

I agree absolutely. It shouldn't look like Coney Island or a fair or whatever... it distracts too much from what you are doing and want to do.

I think the renaming of 'Food Glorious Food' which was a nice title into 'Oral Indulgences' and grouping it with those other things was a sad idea testifying of a lack of inspiration. Whose idea was that anyway ?

And putting it under a category such as "Vices" was an absolutely Bad Idea. It should have been posted in the forum of that name.

There was nothing in the original Food Glorious Food justifying this.

Panthrax has been re-moded.

About the mods for Moving Pictures, sambob, from what I've seen, is a good mod however, is he active in Moving Pictures? He might have requested to be a mod there or he was made one, I don't really know. The change is recent so I can't say much because I haven't seen how he will be. I'm just saying I don't see him in there all that much, but that could change.

Also, Wintermute, are you going to be the other mod of MP or will you be appointing another mod? Either way, I'll wait before I say much more(if anything).

Edit: I take this back. Sambob made a thread in MP which gave me faith in him. He seems dedicated and committed to making the forum a better place.

[This message has been edited by The Dangerous Camel (edited 08-11-2005).]

I like the changes, except that Snoopy is not the mod of GPP anymore.

quote:Originally posted by Uncus:

Hmm, you have been made a mod. Congrats and do a good job.



Thanks, man. http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif)

I still say Oral Indulgences doesnt look right under Sex & Affection.

IDEA!!!

posting spurious generalities and half baked and bitch&moan doesnt boost post count.

Better idea !

Posting in SG, HB, and B&M lowers your post count each time with 1 point. http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif)

... or just get rid of post counts altogether.

quote:Originally posted by Faithless:

... or just get rid of post counts altogether.

Best idea yet.

There is also the matter of disturbing banner ads on Totse, but nobody seems to have mentioned it before, which is a bit strange.

Is there no one else who feels that banner ad from T-shirt Hell saying "ribbed for her pleasure" is slightly disturbing, not to say offensive ?

Even if you happen not to be offended by it (I doubt you don't mind it if you are a parent) - the sole fact of it apppearing on your screen off and on when your are visiting Totse, particularly if you are using a public computer somewhere, may even cause trouble.

Comments, anybody ?

quote:Originally posted by Uncus:

There is also the matter of disturbing banner ads on Totse, but nobody seems to have mentioned it before, which is a bit strange.

Is there no one else who feels that banner ad from T-shirt Hell saying "ribbed for her pleasure" is slightly disturbing, not to say offensive ?

Even if you happen not to be offended by it (I doubt you don't mind it if you are a parent) - the sole fact of it apppearing on your screen off and on when your are visiting Totse, particularly if you are using a public computer somewhere, may even cause trouble.

Comments, anybody ?

Would you rather pay to use Totse? Jeff pays for the servers (which I can only imagine how expensive they are for this website) through the banner ad's and thats what keeps it free.

I had a question about a news story (a bus driver getting killed by a falling rock) and didn't know where to post it. Perhaps there should be a forum about world news or something.

Or maybe that's pointless.. you tell me.

quote:Originally posted by Switch72:

I had a question about a news story (a bus driver getting killed by a falling rock) and didn't know where to post it. Perhaps there should be a forum about world news or something.

Or maybe that's pointless.. you tell me.

If you have a link post it in IFIOTW, if you have a sotry psot it in SG or HB.

we need a celebrity/hollywood tread.

Things to post in the humanities forum

quote:Philosophy, Law, Psychology, Historical Debate, and War.

I don't see any room here for musings about society. Sociological aspects of personal psychology. The place of individuals in society and their ways of assuming it.

You could open a discussion about "emo people" in SG for example, but shouldn't expect much intelligent debate. Neither should you in Bitch and Moan. Where should it go, if not in Humanities ?

IN B4 LOCK