Assuming there is a god in some form, how much control do humans have over their lives?

I believe that we are in control completely, but our control is not conscious. I also think that it could become conscious.

i dont believe in fate, simply because i am an atheist. although i do believe in some subconcious thought maybe a subconcious purpose or rationality, but nothing prior to when something happens only as it happens

Free will is not having every decision you'll ever make determined in advance.

Such a scenario would preclude free will because you can't choose anything other than that which had been determined ahead of time.

What if subconsciously you have already choosen certain events that are being prepared for you to experiance a specific thing, if you subconsciously lead yourself to a specific event

quote:Originally posted by Schizophrenic Styrofoam:

What if subconsciously you have already choosen certain events that are being prepared for you to experiance a specific thing, if you subconsciously lead yourself to a specific event

This makes me think of a quote in Matrix Reloaded.

It's a nice quote that goes: 'You are not here to make choices. You have already made the choices. You are here to understand why you made the choices.

I remember I used to be like that. Don't think too much about fate in one day, or else you might go insane.

If you beleive in God: Fate is like a line, God designed that line and you're supposed to walk according to it. Fate is a plan for your life. A plan to save you.

But then again, that's just what someone said to me. I believe there is fate because then how are some people able to predict what is to come?

-=MatrixSpirit=-

I believe we are born into certain families, castes, races, etc, and as men or women, because of preexisting spiritual identity, so why should that process of expression and manifestation end at birth? Sure it continues. There are things meant for you to do.

Its gonna sound corny, but Im pretty convinced me and my woman were meant to be together. Dont be an ass and think me some emo high school faggot who says that because some band with scars on their wrist did; we've been together almost 3 years and would be married if either of us could afford it. We'll wait til after college. Anyway...

I remember with crystal clarity seeing her for the first time in 8th grade and thinking, "she's going to be my wife," not in a joking, Wayne Campbell way though, just a statement of fact. I had no reason to say or think this. I knew zero about her and had never seen her before (she transferred to my school I found out) I remember because it was weird to think that before anything else, and I went home wondering what the fuck was wrong with me, lol.

That's the kind of stuff you read about in fairy tales, there, Spirit.

I don't believe in absolute free will, but in relative free will, only because I don't really believe in us as independent individuals.

Even when people predict the future, people involved can change the situation. So, the future is still forming; the details are not exact. As time goes on and people make decisions, future events formed. Many events could be influenced by decisions made years ago, even centuries ago.

saying there is fate in chritianity, is completely contradictory, because you have "free will" in it, and yet it also says there is a divine plan that "god" has for everyone, and if fate is real then you have no free will, and if "god" has a set path for you then that means that if you follow it then you'll go to heaven, its also contradictory on how god fogives all, but yet you'll still go to hell, I mean what the fuck, who wrote the bible its just fucking bullshit.

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But then again, that's just what someone said to me. I believe there is fate because then how are some people able to predict what is to come?

Who says prediction of the future implies inevitability?

I see a man at the top of a bungee tower.

I see a cut bungee cord.

As a result, I predict that this man will die.

A blind man wouldn't be able to make the prediction as easily.

Maybe psychics (the real ones, assuming they exist), can just see stuff coming. Doesn't mean it was predetermined, or inevitable.