As reported before, a Big Lake pastor heard an alarm go off in his empty church late at night.

Rather than just call the cops, this asshole grabs his .44 magnum, goes into the church and shoots two guys to death. They were stealing food to feed their familes.

One guy died of MULTIPLE gunshot wounds. The pastor shot the other guy IN THE BACK--this just came out recently.

I hope he gets charged with murder one, the fucking fucker.

For more info, see

www.thoushallnotkill.com (http://www.thoushallnotkill.com)

that guy is a fucking fag. but i do seriously doubt those 2 guys were actually as innocent as the media makes it seem. still is a bunch of shit.

There is no doubt the vics were committing illegal entry and theft--they stole some food and tools. Hardly a capital offense.

There is no doubt that one was shot in the back. There is no doubt the asshole pastor could have stayed at home and called the cops instead of shooting the dudes. You know, "thou shall not kill" and all that happy horseshit.

A private person may not use deadly force if he knows that, with complete personal safety, he can avoid using deadly force by retreating. There is no duty to retreat if a person is on premises that he owns or leases and is not the initial aggressor.



A person may use deadly force in making an arrest or terminating an escape when the person believes it's necessary to arrest a person who has committed or attempted a felony that involved the use of force against a person.

Simple solution, don't steal.

I really don't know what your problem is Arm's, it was dark, they were committing a robbery ( and it doesn't matter what they where stealing ) and he says he fired in self defence.

Like myself, you do not know the whole facts in this case, so try waiting for those that do know, to do their job, and either convict him or let him be.

If I were trying to steal food, I'd steal from a grocery store.

Not a fucking church.

quote:Originally posted by Kikey_Kikeowitz:

If I were trying to steal food, I'd steal from a grocery store.

Not a fucking church.

really?

I'd go steal from a Jew...

haha jk

quote:Originally posted by Metal_Demon:

really?

I'd go steal from a Jew...

haha jk You'd come out with an extra $5 but while looking for your wallet you'd find out it is missing with the $50 bill. Net profit: $45 plus the wallet resold for $5: $50.

HOhohO

~~~~~~~~~~Serious:

What can you expect from a churchman who got robbed 100 times before, and once he caught the guys hands in the sack, melted a fuse?

Didn't Jesus himself get angry at a barren fig tree and burned it instead of healing it?

What do you expect from that guy's followers?

Whoever will bomb his church on a sunday morning... The crowd in there has got to be of the same kind. Any volunteer?

Disclaimer: this was a joke, not an actual call to the arms.

Signed: recycle bin ladden

quote:Originally posted by Metal_Demon:

really?

I'd go steal from a Jew...

haha jk



Have you ever tasted Jewish food?



[This message has been edited by Kikey_Kikeowitz (edited 06-10-2003).]

Please remember, the church was empty and had nothing of value in it.

The pastor chose to go after the guys anyway. In no way was he or anything of value threatened by the mere presense of people in the building.

And can anyone really condone shooting someone in the back?

Yeah. especially in the dark.

sorry arms, but i must say that if someone came into my church or house i would try to stop them, and i would prolly grab a gun on the way...

Sure, your right to defend your home is absolute.

But if you owned an empty building across the street, with nothing of value in it, would you really track down and kill an intruder there?

Hes not the Predator. He shot at a couple of intruders in the dark.

I'd shoot those cunts too. But not to the death. Maybe a couple of nicely placed leg wounds or something.

The kike is right. Stealing from the local church is wrong. That food may have been for charity, or students.

quote:Originally posted by just.landed:

I'd shoot those cunts too. But not to the death. Maybe a couple of nicely placed leg wounds or something.

would have done the same thing. damn pastors and their guns.

quote:Originally posted by sickniick:

would have done the same thing. damn pastors and their guns.

Hah, you try hitting the leg of a stationary target in a shooting range.

When you can do that, practice for about 30 years more. THEN you can say 'I would've just shot them in the leg.'

I'm just marveling at how far afield this thread has wandered, and then got back around to the back-shooting of unarmed men... but where did that impression of "in the dark" come from?

My personal impressions of this are dual: emotionally, I reacted to the video of the wife of one of the dead thieves, at the police barricade asking everyone present if they could tell her if what she had heard was correct, was her husband dead.

The reasoning side of my brain just does not see how a grand jury could have chosen to indict the killer on those particular charges: manslaughter and criminally negligent homicide. I think his public statements and the medical examiner's report support a charge of first degree murder, but I never have had a lot of faith in the grand jury system, anyway.

quote:Originally posted by KaiOaty:

My personal impressions of this are dual: emotionally, I reacted to the video of the wife of one of the dead thieves, at the police barricade asking everyone present if they could tell her if what she had heard was correct, was her husband dead.



Would you react the same if the criminals killed had been armed?

You cannot react to a clearly legal situation with emotions. It clouds your judgment.

These men were not innocent victims. They were burglars, and as such, criminals.

The wife, yes, an innocent victim. She had nothing to do with it. I think it's too bad that she had to go through this, but those men made a choice. Nobody forced them to rob that church. They made themselves vulnerable to any consequences.

Look, the point is, the Priest was in a different house, across the street, knew that nothing of anything value was in the church, and then went to the church with out calling the police, and with out annoucing his presence shot the two men who had not threatend him physically multiple times in the back.

ScreamOfDeath: Exactly.

KaiOaty:

quote:The reasoning side of my brain just does not see how a grand jury could have chosen to indict the killer on those particular charges: manslaughter and criminally negligent homicide. I think his public statements and the medical examiner's report support a charge of first degree murder, but I never have had a lot of faith in the grand jury system, anyway.

The law gives you the right to defend yourself from iminent danger, a threat to your life or that of another.

The law DOES NOT, on the other hand, give you the right to "pursuit" danger and kill someone. It is not self-defense when you look for danger on purpose. That pastor's life was never in danger.

I thought you were allowed to enter a church at any time of the day (or night). Seems he went overboard.

He must've been listening to Deicide and became nervous of church desecration.

What a waste of life.

quote:Originally posted by ScreamOfDeath:

Look, the point is, the Priest was in a different house, across the street, knew that nothing of anything value was in the church, and then went to the church with out calling the police, and with out annoucing his presence shot the two men who had not threatend him physically multiple times in the back.

Finally, someone gets the point.

The latest facts to come out are that the pastor was inside the church, shooting out through a window at the men who were running away. He changed his story several times, this is the latest, and I suspect, most accurate. It is hard to argue with a coroner's report which said that both men had been shot in the back.

Locals tell me that both men had been well known as low-lives and dope dealers.

Well shit, I have dealt my share of dope, and I am sure that many tight-ass rich white folks would consider me a low-life just because I live in an 8x10 cabin with no running water, and only shower once a week, and get all my clothes second-hand.

Still, I stand by my original premise--burglary and theft are not capitol offenses, and back-shooting someone is cowardly and heinous.

Interesting, but I doubt that the media is providing truth, cause nobody but the preacher knows what happened. A preacher/priest is not above being human--they ain't Jesus--they are just people. Yeah, if he killed 'em, he used bad judgement by not calling the cops (if the cops are better than the thieves, which is up for grabs). The preacher is the only one who know if there was anything of value in that church, maybe he got it, if it was there, maybe it was a dope deal gone bad.

He might be a preacher for a cover.

He could have just let them have the food, if that is what is was about....but I seriously doubt that food was the object.

I rarely believe anything on te-lie-a-vision