They seem to be fundamentally irreconcilable, as an omnipotent god would have to be able to change the morals.

That is my reason for not believing in an omnipotent god, though I see nothing wrong with less powerful gods.

Contrary opinions?

If it doesn't have a need to alter them, then they are just as unalterable to the less-than-omnipotent.

Omnipotence doesn't require that it turn the entire existance inside-out, just because it's capable of it.

not really a contrary opinion but on the topic of omnipotence:

(as stated by homer simpson, and yes the question has been posed many different ways)

could jesus microwave a burrito so hot that not even he could eat it?

User, for you I have one word: Potential.

For what? to be a Potentate like you?

I'm more of a magnate.

"Eat the rich."

"Kill every other son of a "prozac-popping uppity cunt wife."

quote:Originally posted by bent_redeemer:

(as stated by homer simpson, and yes the question has been posed many different ways)

Well just b' I rush home to watch my 18:30 PM Simpsons episode:

If the King emits a decreee, even the king 'has to' abide. But that is during one age of hypothetical godly parameters. Strangely this idea combines jewish tradition (the King allegory) and india's Yugas (ages).

BTW nature also has it, a different way though: if such and such planet (i.e. aspect of ruling creative energy) is dominant, different outcomes may happen to similar conditions. Example (well-known and documented, any mental health or police professional will confirm this basic one):

A full moon can let things happen, that otherwise are less out of control.

So in a given system, thre may be fluctuations, even more if you take the idea of a God seriously, can God 'abide' to its own decree, yet be able to change the rules once in a while. Generally astrology is a fine way to go if you're reasonably looking for hints of a superior Will. Actually is it because astrology is a cience half-way between observable and hidden realities? I don't know, and azctually none really knows. So it is ridiculous to say "no" since nobody knows.

Reason has it, if you're not sure, live as if it was, and sometimes as if it was not, so you can keep a clear consciousness, neither etheric angel nor dumb animal.

Fuck... the Simpsons. Anyway I usually miss the beginning. RRRRRush!

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Christian theology has God moving moral boundaries a lot, though few Christians would admit it.

The preachers don't move them, the politicians do.

We were discussing "under god"-in-the-pledge today at lunch (someone mentioned that the Supremes called for it's removal, so Izzy, and Spirit, and everyone else can kiss my ass now), and it's a decent example.

Edit: if you meant contradiction, then I misunderstood. i thought it was influence for change.

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