... was a woman?

http://www.youdamnkid.com/d/19990301.html



I like the idea (makes the idea of a messiah more belivable to me for some reason.) but I don't know what others kind impact it would have.

Well, he did act rather effeminately.

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1. He had to feed a crowd, at a moment’s notice, when there was no food.

2. He kept trying to get the message across to a bunch of men who just didn’t get it.

3. Even when he was dead, he had to get up because there was more work for him to do.

He told us that we have 2 choices, when we only really have one. I mean cmon, obey and get into heaven, disobey and go to hell.

Well, I think we've exhausted the female deity jokes.

quote:Originally posted by just.landed:

He told us that we have 2 choices, when we only really have one. I mean cmon, obey and get into heaven, disobey and go to hell.



Jesus didn't say anything of the kind.

It wasn't what He said, it was the tone of voice He said it in

quote:Originally posted by Beany:



Jesus didn't say anything of the kind.

Is Jesus God?

quote:Originally posted by just.landed:

Is Jesus God?



Well, I hope this aint gonna go to waste on you, but yes he is God, we all are.

Everything is part of god and we are all on a journey back to god, our life is a process of us realising that.

Jesus realised it, that's why he claimed to be god.

If you haven't yet realised it you re-incarnate until you acheive the understanding that we are all part of god.

quote:Originally posted by just.landed:

He told us that we have 2 choices, when we only really have one. I mean cmon, obey and get into heaven, disobey and go to hell.

Uh... that's two choices there, buddy.

quote:Originally posted by Beany:

Well, I hope this aint gonna go to waste on you, but yes he is God, we all are.

Everything is part of god and we are all on a journey back to god, our life is a process of us realising that.

Jesus realised it, that's why he claimed to be god.

If you haven't yet realised it you re-incarnate until you acheive the understanding that we are all part of god.

Wow, I never looked at it that way. You have truly enlightened me, Beany.

Gah, my idiotic joke has been lost on pretty much all of you.

Anyway Beany, that's an interesting point you make. But it's just another theory. I'll stick with the ones I've already got.

Unless of course, God told you this himself. And I don't mean that in a "you're a crazy mofo" type of way.

quote:Originally posted by Beany:

Everything is part of god and we are all on a journey back to god, our life is a process of us realising that.

So is that all it takes to go back to God ? If we see everything as being part of God, we will all end up in Heaven? Sounds weak and bizarre...

quote:Jesus realised it, that's why he claimed to be god.

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Delphi/1053/128.html

quote:If you haven't yet realised it you re-incarnate until you acheive the understanding that we are all part of god.

So in that sense, we have no real choice of our destiny, eventually we will all succumb to God’s will, we will all be forced to live in His kingdom through life times of dictatorial existence until we give in and show an understanding that we are all part of God. We will enter heaven not through just rewards, true belief, having lived with morals and values...we will all enter it no matter how much we disobey the bible and it's principles...no matter what evils we commit in the world.

Sorry, but I don't accept this theory one little bit, it totally and utterly disregards Christianity and most likely all existing religions on this earth. Disregards a hell, ignores all laws and values and shows God to be some kind of pertinacious dictator who will enforce all kinds of life and indeed life forms? On people who have not yet or refuse to realise that everything is a part of God

We all end up in heaven when we have reached full understanding of life. This is an easy process because we can't fail, but it does take lifetime after lifetime to experience, learn from the experience, and the gradual ability to tell a false belief from a true belief. The way to tell the difference is because true beliefs make you happy and false beliefs make you unhappy, so it's inevitable that you move towards god.

The understanding that I talk about is called wisdom. The more understanding you have, the more wisdom. You will follow the morals of the bible (and many other spiritual scriptures), not because you're afraid of hell, but because you have the wisdom to know that this is the correct way to be.

quote:Originally posted by Beany:

We all end up in heaven when we have reached full understanding of life.

But you assume that all people have morals in their understanding, but some people will not have any...if morals do not improve one's life on this earth, such as thou shalt not steal yet people still live in absolute poverty where the only way of surviving is to steal...how do you seriously expect such people to reach this enlightened understanding of something that seemingly only you in the whole world has come up with for an ideology??

quote:This is an easy process because we can't fail, but it does take lifetime after lifetime to experience, learn from the experience, and the gradual ability to tell a false belief from a true belief. The way to tell the difference is because true beliefs make you happy and false beliefs make you unhappy, so it's inevitable that you move towards god.

So there are no happy atheists in this world? Belief in God is declining every decade, this last century (1900's) has seen a for nominal drop in religion compared to the days when everybody in society knew that there was a God and held such strong beliefs in Him.

Science is the bane of all religion and faith in God. So your argument for beliefs is weak when you consider how belief in God will cease to exist before the mirage of all human beings on earth following a belief in Him and in religion along with all its morals and commandants.

quote:The understanding that I talk about is called wisdom. The more understanding you have, the more wisdom. You will follow the morals of the bible (and many other spiritual scriptures), not because you're afraid of hell, but because you have the wisdom to know that this is the correct way to be.

I call it naivety, your philosophy can only work if everybody on earth followed this same theory or at least knew of its existence.

And your ideology indicates that there is no hell, merely every single person will end up in heaven, by one life or another...so who occupies this hell?

Crusader, it seems you're jumping to conclusions before really understanding what I'm saying.

Ok there are answers to all of your questions. Nowadays I like talking to people about this stuff, but I rarely enjoy explaning myself post after post when it seems obvious that you have no intention of actually listening to what i say.

<<<<But you assume that all people have morals in their understanding, but some people will not have any...if morals do not improve one's life on this earth, such as thou shalt not steal yet people still live in absolute poverty where the only way of surviving is to steal...how do you seriously expect such people to reach this enlightened understanding of something that seemingly only you in the whole world has come up with for an ideology??>>>>>>

For a start, it isn't only me that's come up with this stuff. I can only assume that you don't know much about other religeons because it's very very similar to many of the worlds biggest religeons. More influences by buddism, but i don't disregard christianity completely, only some of it's beliefs such as hell. I don't think hell exists, and i do believe in re-incarnation (which apparently so did xtians before it was edited outta the bible).

With the people who have an understanding that stealing is wrong yet they live in poverty so it's the only thing they can do. Well just coz you understand the morals behind it, doesn't mean that you have no choice but to live by them. Have you never heard the say 'the ends justify the means' or 'for the greater good'?

For instance I may know that it's morally wrong to kill an ant, but if by killing an ant i'm saving a whole nest then that's what I'll do. Even if someone does steal food for their families, it doesn't mean that they aren't pure of heart.

<<<<<<<<<So there are no happy atheists in this world? Belief in God is declining every decade, this last century (1900's) has seen a for nominal drop in religion compared to the days when everybody in society knew that there was a God and held such strong beliefs in Him.>>>>>>>>>>

Do you know why the belief in God is declining? Because less and less people understand who or what god is. They hear about the christian god and are repelled because they see the ridiculous flaws in it, and also what christianity has done in the past.

Atheists can be happy. You don't have to belief in God, it makes no difference. The fact is, god exists whether you believe or not, so you still go through life learning, experiencing, and learning again. It's the learning that takes you away from unhappiness (or fear), when you learn what your beliefs about life are false and what your beliefs about life are true. But the beliefs you learn towards the latter of your journey are beliefs such as 'we are all part of god'.

<<<<<<<Science is the bane of all religion and faith in God. So your argument for beliefs is weak when you consider how belief in God will cease to exist before the mirage of all human beings on earth following a belief in Him and in religion along with all its morals and commandants.>>>>>>>>

All science does is explain Gods universe.

<<<<<<<<<I call it naivety, your philosophy can only work if everybody on earth followed this same theory or at least knew of its existence.>>>>>>>

Jeez you aint listening. You don't have to follow any theory at all. Everyone makes their way towards god by simply living and learning from their experiences of life.



<<<<And your ideology indicates that there is no hell, merely every single person will end up in heaven, by one life or another...so who occupies this hell?>>>>>>>

Who occupies what hell?

You've already mentioned in that very paragraph that my theory indicated that there's no hell.

quote:Originally posted by Beany:

it seems obvious that you have no intention of actually listening to what i say.

I'll listen...I'm just trying to find the answers to this explanation and see how far it can span, without major flaws...

quote:Do you know why the belief in God is declining? Because less and less people understand who or what god is. They hear about the christian god and are repelled because they see the ridiculous flaws in it, and also what christianity has done in the past.

Science discovered those flaws, or has the bible changed its answers in the last hundred years? Because everyone used to follow it before Darwin and the discovery of another way to our existence and our beginnings...

quote:Everything is part of god and we are all on a journey back to god, our life is a process of us realising that.

quote:true beliefs make you happy and false beliefs make you unhappy, so it's inevitable that you move towards god.

quote:Atheists can be happy. You don't have to belief in God, it makes no difference.

Those three statements don't add up. First you say we are all on a path to realising about God and subsequently believing in Him and only true beliefs (I assume in Him?) make us happy, so it is inevitable that we move towards God...

But then you admit atheists can be happy, but atheists don't have these true beliefs, so how can they be happy if false beliefs make you unhappy ?

quote:You don't have to belief in God, it makes no difference.

Makes no difference to what? I thought our whole life was a process to realising that everything is a part of God? And as long we do not realise this, we are kept on this planet until we do realise it?

Is that the punishment for not following morals, if you break all commandants, God still allows you into His fair kingdom? Seems easy and law pointless...

quote:you learn what your beliefs about life are false and what your beliefs about life are true. But the beliefs you learn towards the latter of your journey are beliefs such as 'we are all part of god'.

So we are given multiple lives as multiple chances, never ending chances infact, until we finally give up and just belief in Him...

Also, have you never thoughts of how the life God ordains upon each person (reincarnation) has a huge effect upon whether the person will belief in God or not? They may grow up in an extremist muslim family who are oppressed from birth to a fundamental belief...and as a result, they will never develop this liberal way of thinking, never mind live by it...

This belief does have on underlining essence to it, it's an infallible way to eliminating the verity of people just believing in God to get into heaven and avoid hell...but God can already see through these people.

quote:Everyone makes their way towards god by simply living and learning from their experiences of life.

Well that's absurd, you may learn all about the sciences and develop a belief upon evolution, the big bang etc. Life, if anything these days, teaches you to see things, to see everything in many formats, not just one...life does not teach you to realise that everything is a part of God and indeed that God even exists. I can't see what difference every new life the person gets will bring them to a belief in God, as they will grow up in an age with many differential answers to our existence. Unless it's a perverse ratio thing? I mean your bound to have at least one life where you have a belief in God if you're given 20 or 30 lives to do so...I'd like to think this is my only life and I believe in God...

You make your way towards God by opening up and having faith, faith is just a believe...but it is a belief without any necessary proof or multiple lives that separates those with faith and worthy of heaven and those who do not.

Our merit lays in our ability to have faith in His existence.

quote:Who occupies what hell?

You've already mentioned in that very paragraph that my theory indicated that there's no hell.

You mentioned hell...