What you guys thing about Reincarnation?

I think it's cool........and most definately true.

With reincarnation there is no need for hell.

To put it as simply as possible: Bad people reincarnate until they learn how to be good people.

My thoughts on reincarnation have changed over time. When I was younger I thought it was such a laughable idea, but this was before I sought out a greater understanding on all the things that flow within and without and my only conception of the idea of reincarnation consisted mostly of something such as Bart Simpson saying he wanted to come back as a butterfly "because no one expects the butterfly mwa-ha-ha-ha"

Anyway some time ago I altered my perception on the concept of reincarnation due to the great balanced structure of the universe. Energy and consciousness interflowing in perfect interloping archs and orbits. I figured that life and everything in life is energy, energy can't be started or stopped, so death is just the system containing that energy failing and shutting down. The energy escapes. Hence, reincarnation. Building on that I came to the conclusion that this is heaven at the same time as this is hell, it's all a matter of perception. If you look at life as the gift it is, and take joys in experiencing things for the first time because life is there so that you CAN experience things for the first time. Just live life then you're forever in heaven. If you treat life like a burden, and wonder around hating life but fearing death then you're forever trapped in hell.

Not that long ago I started adding on to this, I feel that if you reach an understanding as deep and profound as certain people you'll finally wake up from this dream. Break on through to the other side as Mr. Mojo Rison once put it. Extraordinarily thrown into the real plane of existence. People like Bhuda, Jesus, Ghandi, and even people like Jim Morrison, Jimi Hendrix, Martin Luther, Matt Groening (yes the creator of the simpsons, you'll notice some profound truths deep inside the simpsons and futurama sometimes), or even Kurt Cobain.

You don't necessarily have to be a good person to reach this state of gnosis, and you don't necessarily have to have reached the profound level of comprehension to be a good person. Good people that are meek reincarnate in my system of understanding. You have to reach death without fear, you have to realize that none of it matters, you gotta smile into that good night.

Reincarnation is the most locigal after-life that would happen. Matter is made of energy. Energy cannot be created or destroyed so it just figures that it would just be remade into something else.

I remember dying. What it felt like. I don't remember who I was or anything, but I remember exactly what it felt like at the end of that life.

Logically, I'm a believer in reincarnation.

It works for me. I've had a shitload of past lives, many with my sweetie who is my soulmate now and forever.

bs alarm just went off. thatz impossable. if everyone is reincarnated who is hitler's reincarnation??? bush mabey? no mabey sum1 else.

quote:Originally posted by NightVision:

bs alarm just went off. thatz impossable. if everyone is reincarnated who is hitler's reincarnation??? bush mabey? no mabey sum1 else.

Bush is not smart enough to be Hitler's reincarnated self. Few people are.

quote:Originally posted by cola:

Reincarnation is the most locigal after-life that would happen. Matter is made of energy. Energy cannot be created or destroyed so it just figures that it would just be remade into something else.

So you're saying that the soul is made up of matter and/or energy.

First problem: prove the soul exists.

Second problem: prove that it consists of matter and/or energy, or obeys some Law of Conservation of Soul.

quote:Originally posted by Craftian:

So you're saying that the soul is made up of matter and/or energy.

First problem: prove the soul exists.

Second problem: prove that it consists of matter and/or energy, or obeys some Law of Conservation of Soul.

Not necessarily a soul as you might think of it. Since language is the tricky bastard that it is using words like "soul" or "God" can confuse people.

You would agree that you are alive, correct?

You would also agree that you can think, I think therefore I am kinda thing?

You would also agree that what's enabling me to type this is my brain sending signals of energy to other parts of my brain which chain react and eventually send signals of energy down my spinal cord through my muscles finally putting that energy into pressing down on these keys on this here keyboard.

When I say reincarnation, I don't necessarily mean you and all your past is born into another body. I mean the energy that is your life, and the energy you carry with you doesn't just stop when you die. How the hell could it?

Try not to consider yourself as you, can you follow me on this one? What you think you are isn't you it's just a body, all squishy and imperfect. But it lets you do things, it lets you sustain it so that it can help you experience everything there is to experience. It can help you have others experience you. But it can't last forever, just as well though who could hold all the knowledge of all time and events? It wouldn't work, it can barely remember enough from one lifetime.

quote:Originally posted by Beany:

I think it's cool........and most definately true.

With reincarnation there is no need for hell.

To put it as simply as possible: Bad people reincarnate until they learn how to be good people.

You are on the right track here, but I respectfully suggest you are putting it a tad too simply.

Good and bad are just labels we put on things that we approve or do not approve of. In the highest metaphysical sense, there is no good or bad.

Take the holocaust. It caused the death of maybe six million people, most of whom would be dead by now anyway. It made possible thousands of acts of heroism great and small. It made for great PR for the Jews, and did a lot to unify them. And it provided a strinking example of how unevolved the human race really is, now that we know of how the Vatican, the Swiss and so forth colluded with the Nazis.

Granted, I do not approve of fucking with anyon's free will. But the fact remains that the holocaust only fucked with one life--we get hundreds, if not thousands.

In the context of eternity, the holocaust was really no big deal. Nor is anything else.

quote:Originally posted by ArmsMerchant:

You are on the right track here, but I respectfully suggest you are putting it a tad too simply.



Cheers AM.

I'm just a wee bit tired of posting lengthy messages in this forum at the minute. I haven't lost interest in spirituality at all, just this forum. For now.

quote:Originally posted by I_Like_Traffic_Lights:

When I say reincarnation, I don't necessarily mean you and all your past is born into another body. I mean the energy that is your life, and the energy you carry with you doesn't just stop when you die. How the hell could it?

Well sure, the chemicals that make up my body (and the energy in forms of heat, electrical signals, etc.) will continue to exist. But that's not really reincarnation in any sense that I've heard it called.

The ammonia in my piss ends up fertilising grass, which through various processes ends up getting ingested by someone else. It doesn't mean they have a part of me in them.

I didn't quite understand that last paragraph, perhaps you could restate it?

I heard that somepeople remember things from their past life?? is that true?? I mean can that happen??

Yes, but you normally don't because........ because of complex reasons.

Reasons similar to why people can get amnesia after being in a coma. The absense of consious thought, not being able to ponder on any moment apart from the one your in, stuff like that.

quote:Originally posted by grizz:

I heard that somepeople remember things from their past life?? is that true?? I mean can that happen??

Many anecdotal accounts, none scientific.

quote:Originally posted by I_Like_Traffic_Lights:

Not necessarily a soul as you might think of it. Since language is the tricky bastard that it is using words like "soul" or "God" can confuse people....

I think you hit on an essential difficulty in discussing this, ILTL. To some people, the soul is what is going to heaven or hell at the end of this life. To many shamans, the soul is the consciousness that can dissociate and fragment due to trauma (to borrow the psychological terminology for what shamans call "soul loss"). One way out of that language trap is to abandon speech and communicate telepathically, but many fearful people are not ready for that, and they are the same fearful people who keep bringing up semantic arguments to shoot down things they don't want to accept.

Grizz asked about remembering past lives and Craftian said there are "many anecdotal accounts, nothing scientific."

The best support for the idea of reincarnation that I know of is in the stories of people who remember their past lives, and in the archives of hypnotherapists who record their patients' stories. The best hypnotherapists emphasize verification, seeking out historical or genealogical evidence to support our stories. Lots of that sort of evidence exists, as well as the sort of supportive evidence supplied when two or more people recall having known each other in past lives. I have many reincarnational associates (besides my soulmate ArmsMerchant) who remember events I do, only from a different angle.

All but the most hard-headed of non-believers (not skeptics, who just require convincing, but cynics who refuse to allow themselves to be convinced) would find convincing evidence if they undertook an open-minded investigation. Many people have dreamed of their past lives, and many others have met someone they just KNEW that they had met before... only they also knew they couldn't have, at least not in this life.

The proof is within our unconscious minds, for those of us who have lived before. Not everyone has lived before. "Souls", the life energy that reincarnates, age just as bodies do. (see The Michael Teachings (http://www.michaelteachings.com/soul_age_index.html)) For those of us who recall our past lives consciously, and those who learn to do it through hypnotic regression, it's right there in the conscious mind, too.



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^ Read and read again.

quote:Originally posted by KaiOaty:

One way out of that language trap is to abandon speech and communicate telepathically, but many fearful people are not ready for that

Show me how. I am (quite seriously) interested in learning.

quote:The best support for the idea of reincarnation that I know of is in the stories of people who remember their past lives, and in the archives of hypnotherapists who record their patients' stories. The best hypnotherapists emphasize verification, seeking out historical or genealogical evidence to support our stories. Lots of that sort of evidence exists,

I have heard these stories, but never from a reputable source.

quote:Many people have dreamed of their past lives, and many others have met someone they just KNEW that they had met before... only they also knew they couldn't have, at least not in this life.

The skeptical (cynical?) amongst us would call that "imagination".

i am kinda up for grabs on the reincarnation thing, so i dunno.