Don't you people think Islam is like christianism but more pratical?

For example : Christian men are supposed not to feel lust by other women other than their wife. On the other hand Islam knows that most men aren't capable of not feeling lust by other women, so they have some norms on clothing for women.

But the fuck here is, women don't necessarily like it to be overcovered even during heatwaves, because some men are too hotly tempered.

Why should they pay for men's sperm excess?

No, I would say that some Islamic traditions are oppressive and unneccassary, far from practical, but that is me.

Christianity has given room for Western society to grow and prosper, while the most successful and powerful of the Islamic countries, prosper, only by the sheer luck that an abundance of a valuable resource, happening to be within their borders. While the global community moves ahead, these traditions make these people remain a token of the twelfth century.

christian traditions: women stays home, serve their husbands, get preganant, raise children for no pay, cook, and die. Women in christian countries are often taught to be sumbimissive at a young age and are brainwashed by society throughout life that they are less than men.

islamic traditions: women stays home, serve their husbands, gets pregnant, raises the children for no pay, cook, and die. Women in islamic countries are often taught to be sumbimissive at a young age and are brainwashed by society throughout life that they are less than men.

difference? christian economies are larger and stronger. thats all. Besides that, Christianity, Islam, Judaism, etc are all the same, especially when looked at by someone who does not belong to any of those religions

ehh....it's really not as much as religions fault as it is the media in the last post's statement

Christianism is intolerant but it doesn't pretend being tolerant in essence. It officially says "out of the church, no hope"

Islam is at least as much intolerant, but it pays itself the luxury of hiding under the guise of 'tolerance', 'respect' for the people of the book. When in fact it pulls wildcards later on, telling you "yes, but now they are not people of th book anymore, so there is only Islam left."

A swindle...

When really, the coran says a lot about tolerance, but later interpretations were designed by religious leaders with power trips and a spirit of vicious exclusive proselytism.

And the mohammeddan book became the basis for some perverted intolerant fanatical religion. Lost its soul. Not even a religion anymore.

For the sake of truth and balance.

I agree with the previous post when he says the Qu'ran "says allot about tolerance, but later interpretations were designed by religious leaders with power trips and a spirit of vicious exclusive proselytism." But there are many sects of Islam that do look at the beauty of esoteric wisdom of Islam, such a Sufism, and Ismailism. Islam HASN"T lost its soul, and IS still a religion. Just because certain people have twisted the message of religion to justify atrocities, much like the Nazis and Zionists have, does not submit the whole religion, even the whole sect as Perverse. Body veils for women and orthodox law are not present in many sects, mostly shi’tte, and many do move with the times. Christian and Jewish fundamentalism, as well as ignorance, is existent as much as Islamic is.

quote:Originally posted by Ze:

Don't you people think Islam is like christianism but more pratical?

For example : Christian men are supposed not to feel lust by other women other than their wife. On the other hand Islam knows that most men aren't capable of not feeling lust by other women, so they have some norms on clothing for women.

Islam is more practical?

That is the biggest load of crap I've ever heard.

So, I guess the reason Islamic countries don't allow women to drive is because women are such worse drivers than men, right?

More practical? Bullshit.

quote:Originally posted by UrbnTbone:

[BWhen really, the coran says a lot about tolerance, but later interpretations were designed by religious leaders with power trips and a spirit of vicious exclusive proselytism.

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The year 627 - The Jewish tribe of Qurayza raided by Mohammed; some 800 men beheaded(only one Jew abjuring his religion to save his life) and all the women and children sold as slaves.

This happened many, many times, and not just to Jews. Any tribe in the Middle East who would not submit to Mohammed's power met the same fate.

I will now quote from my copy of the Koran, translated by N.J. Dawood.

The first quote is from the section entitled "Man," around the parts 76:3:

"For the unbelievers We have prepared fetters and chains, and a blazing Fire."

The next quote is from the ironically-titled "The Merciful," around 55:41:

"The wrongdoers shall be known by their looks: they shall be siezed by their forelocks and their feet. Which of your Lord's blessings would you deny?"

Now, I have not read all of the Koran, only the beginning, but in my opinion, it never was tolerant. It was always like this, only moreso. Mohammed converted the Arab world by a sword, nothing more.

quote:Islam is more practical?

That is the biggest load of crap I've ever heard.

So, I guess the reason Islamic countries don't allow women to drive is because women are such worse drivers than men, right?

More practical? Bullshit.Many Islamic countries do allow women to drive. I somehow doubt the Koran contains any specific prohibition against women driving anyway - it's more to do with the ultraconservative attitudes of Islamic societies.

On the practical side, I really can't see any practical reasons for numerous Mosaic code prohibitions.

quote:The year 627 - The Jewish tribe of Qurayza raided by Mohammed; some 800 men beheaded(only one Jew abjuring his religion to save his life) and all the women and children sold as slaves.

Ummm, YHWH had a fondness for killing which far exceeded that of Mohammed - the entire population of the world except for Noah's family, the Egyptian firstborn (presumably including innocent infants) and the inhabitants of Jericho being oft-cited examples. Vengeance and punishment are common themes of all Ibrahemic faiths.

quote:Originally posted by MentalGlitch:

But there are many sects of Islam that do look at the beauty of esoteric wisdom of Islam, such a Sufism, and Ismailism Look at the introduction to ismailism in the society/eastern religions (http://www.totse.com/en/religion/eastern_religions/introductionto170460.html) folder. If enlightened, a human won't spill lies on others' faith. This ismaili sheikh does, thus to me he has got to be a dark pawn.

quote:Originally posted by FuckOffandDie:

On the practical side, I really can't see any practical reasons for numerous Mosaic code prohibitions.

The rather rediculous amount of rules in books like Leviticus may not seem like they make sense nowadays, but back then those laws kept the people safe and kept disease from sweeping through the people.

Pork isn't good for you. Shellfish can be contaminated. Eating meat with the blood still in it is oviously bad for you, from our viewpoint.

Those are off the top of my head, but I can cite many, many more than make sense even when looked at from the viewpoint of our times.

quote:Ummm, YHWH had a fondness for killing which far exceeded that of Mohammed - the entire population of the world except for Noah's family, the Egyptian firstborn (presumably including innocent infants) and the inhabitants of Jericho being oft-cited examples. Vengeance and punishment are common themes of all Ibrahemic faiths.

The story of Noah is a metaphor.

I will concede on the Egyptian first borns(though, Ramses II is really to blame; for fuck's sake, he had 9 PLAGUES get dumped on him, and still he didn't get the message. When rivers turn to blood, I'd sit up and take notice. You don't see that everyday), but as for Jericho, I personally think there was no heavenly involvement at all with that. If there was, I doubt angels literally came down from the heavens and trumpeted Jericho's walls to the ground.

You don't get it, though. The stories you cited, if completely accurate as they are told, and not metaphors, those were ACTS OF G-D. He gets a pass. He created this world, he can destroy it. How are you going to stop him?

Mohammed was a MAN. He was just as you and I. He murdered countless people. That is not exscusable. Is that not one of the Ten Commandments? Do not murder?

He was a fanatical zealot. There was no such thing as religious tolerance, as far as he was concerned. All who didn't bow to him and Allah, shook loose this mortal coil.

It's not Allah that's running around Arabia killing 'infidels'. It's Mohammed. A man, the same as anybody else. No one has the right to kill in the name of G-d, save for G-d himself.

quote:The rather rediculous amount of rules in books like Leviticus may not seem like they make sense nowadays, but back then those laws kept the people safe and kept disease from sweeping through the people.

Pork isn't good for you. Shellfish can be contaminated. Eating meat with the blood still in it is oviously bad for you, from our viewpoint.

Those are off the top of my head, but I can cite many, many more than make sense even when looked at from the viewpoint of our times.I was thinking about the stranger ones, like shatnez.

quote:The story of Noah is a metaphor.A lot of respected scholars would disagree with you...

Destroying his own creation doesn't really fit with the idea of YHWH's omnibenevolence, but then I guess that awkward theological position is more of a contemporary Christian thing than a Jewish one.

Are you honestly going to say that the Jews didn't kill their adversaries. Because to make that claim, you've got to deny the historical accounts in the Torah/Bible. Moses himself killed with his bare hands. Whether or not the walls of Jericho were brought down by divine intervention, the inhabitants "man and woman, young and old, and ox(!), and sheep(!), and ass(!)" were put to the sword. A similar fate befell the Midianites; Moses being angry at his generals for not killing the women and children.

Some of these acts of killing were retaliatory, but then the Koran also very explicitly states that infidels are to be killed only in retaliation. The Muslim justification for the massacre of the tribe of Qurayza is that they had been conspiring with their enemies. Two years later, the Jews of Khaybar were spared, and kept their land, after being defeated by Mohammed's "pre-emptive strike"

quote:Originally posted by FuckOffandDie:

I was thinking about the stranger ones, like shatnez. If you admit prophecy, then there is no room for critics, since by definition it is higher than human intellect. The official status of a commandment like shatnez gets highest in the hyerarchy of commandments, since it has absolutely no obvious moral reason, so its observance shows total abnegation and humility towards the "X", infinite dimension of creative intellect.

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The Muslim justification for the massacre of the tribe of Qurayza is that they had been conspiring with their enemies. Classic excuse... quote:Two years later, the Jews of Khaybar were spared, and kept their land, after being defeated by Mohammed's "pre-emptive strike" How kind, what a benevolent master...

Benevolent compared to Moses...

Ah, so the logical reasoning behind prohibition of shatnez is "G-d is always right". Glad we got that one cleared up. Very practical.

If I admit prophecy, I'd be deifying HG Wells. I'd also have to overlook the failed prophecies in the Torah/Bible...