Please we need to put a stop to this. As much as we have an urge to slap and utterly destroy these people's posts they obviously are too ignorant and don't get the point. I really am tired that they are so stupid as to open threads that just reak of ignorance "religion is bad" that statement itself is full of ignorance. Really what can we do?

Just sit back and laugh. Don't take things so seriously, it does you more harm than it does them. Just reply kindly and truthfully, then you can enjoy the fun.

Yep.

I don't even bother clicking on these rants. Why do you? Good threads have good titles so why don't you click on good stuff instead of dipping your mouse in teenage poop?

Hammer&sickle, you need to chill. Don't get so irate just coz someone has different opinions to you. Even if they are stupid opinions it aint worth stressing over as you seem to.

You have to understand that some people, being losers in real life, think that nature balanced that by making them more intelligent and rational than others, while in truth they suck at everything. Just ignore.

ps : i'm 15 :\

quote:Originally posted by Hammer&Sickle:

"religion is bad" that statement itself is full of ignorance.

That statement itself is full of intolerance.

I agree that a large proportion of the posts consist of the same unfounded teenage anti-religion rants.

All we can really do is ignore or educate.

i agree, i cant stand it wen these people rant on about religion being the scum of the earth. but then again the human race is naturally ignorant. its just in our nature (well thats what i believe any way). i am only 14 so dont go on about how its just teenagers that do it, its everyone! i prefer to construct an arguement around what other people may think and counter argue. not just to constrict what i say to the human races deficiency of having tunnel vision, so to speak.

Alright, I am glad no loser teenager(I only say that because the majority of the people who do that are 14-20) has come into this thread thank god.

Wow, I was mentioned in a thread title...

I only wish its not because you think im Christian or Jewish.. because im not http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

Just ignore them...

Or make fun of them http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

Well gee whoever told you, you had to read them?

People are most threatening when they are not Understood, aswell as the Ones that do not Think, nor Reason (Lions are Powerful, but Primitive)

quote:Originally posted by icantthinkofaname:

i agree, i cant stand it wen these people rant on about religion being the scum of the earth.

Well, it is. The problem is when people rant on without thought/spelling/capitalisation.

quote:but then again the human race is naturally ignorant. its just in our nature (well thats what i believe any way).

And as we all know, beliefs are an excellent substitute for facts.

Also, how does the statement "Religion is bad." reek of ignorance? Overgeneralisation, perhaps, but what specifically is ignorant about it?

Great, those who are atheists are 'ignorant'.

Sorry Hammer&Sickle, I didnt realize the fact you knew it all and had it all figured out. My bad.

well i suppose people are entitled to say what they want to say and people are entitled to believe in what they want to believe in... a little temperance goes a long way

Im 19

What do you believe in Rust? just curious.

quote:Originally posted by Lovley:

Great, those who are atheists are 'ignorant'.

Sorry Hammer&Sickle, I didnt realize the fact you knew it all and had it all figured out. My bad. You got it all wrong: he was complaining about suckers who think they got it all and declare "with full understanding", that religion sucks...

Think about what you're saying.. Some of you who are theists think you know it all and have full understanding too! It's going both ways.. you cant just accuse one side of something that some of you do too.

This:

quote:Well, it is. The problem is when people rant on without thought/spelling/capitalisation.

Followed by:

quote:And as we all know, beliefs are an excellent substitute for facts.

Is pretty stupid.

hah.. here is the loser ignorant teenager that cant spell or captilize... or maybe i'm doing it on purpose,,,neway... hammer.. your bout the gayest guy i know.. awe you got pissed off cause someone posted something stupid..awe baby.. dont cry dude.. no biggy.. and now your comming to the poeple and crying about it.. why the fuck you reading it if you dont like that solves the problem rite there.. if you think about it that wasnt hard to figure... out.. and you call them ignorant.. you didnt have to ask anyone on that one.. but your probably one of my favorite kind of people.. people that get pissed off real easy.. "love em" people like me get a kick out of you getting mad.. its great to see someone cry.. you just dont need to take things so serious... i really wish that i lived by you... i would piss you off everyday.. just becuase you get mad so easy.... and the funny thing is when you start calling them names.. very great idea.. do you think you hurt there feelings.. the only person that seems to get mad about these things are you... do you let everything get to you... since your a christian pray to JESUS.. and ask him for help.. and if that dosent work... remember i still love you...

later man.... another loser teenager

Ignorance is on the verge of being Intollerated; would be the very point that is trying to be made in this Thread.

Sensing Uncertainty, even in the Antagonist's Argument. Simple Role-Reversal

This part of the forum gets a lot of newbies ranting about religion, as you've probably noticed. The trouble is in a lot of cases I would agree with them, which is irritating. Generally I just ignore it. The trouble is those sort of threads tend to attract replies, until they multiply into huge forum devouring grammer-less monsters

ignorant- The condition of being uneducated, unaware, or uninformed.

i got that from dictionary.com

well if somebody says "religion is bad" that isn't ignorant. They believe religion is bad, and they have some info. But you are ignorant if you say people can't have their own opinions and believe what they want, because the Bible says God gave free will to people, and you can't take that away. Now you may have some info saying it is good, therefore you are not ignorant either. Religion caused many crusades and losses of lives because of beliefs. Now I'm not saying people should not stand up for their beliefs, but they shouldn't force people to change or strongly pressure them if it won't even make a difference in their life. And don't even say it will make a difference in the afterlife.

now atheists have different opinions but that surely does not make them ignorant. I for one am an atheist and have gone to a catholic school, so i am not uneducated in Catholocism, the Bible, christianity and stuff like that.

quote:well if somebody says "religion is bad" that isn't ignorant

"Religion is bad" is an opinion, but you can make uneducated and unbased opinions, and thus ignorant ones.

I believe that is the whole point of this thread... People just saying "It's Bad!!" and then giving tired, lame and plain old stupid reasons.

hammer is my favorite person on this site.. very easy target

I am going to say what Lovely said again for everyone to realize this post is worthless.

"Some of you who are theists think you know it all and have full understanding too!"

what this means is, how exactly do you know everything and are educated enough to not be ignorant in the area of theology.

to be honest life is full of ignorance because human beings do not yet know everything so how can everyone be educated the truth.

I rest my case.

quote:Some of you who are theists think you know it all and have full understanding too!

Where did anyone in this thread challenge that idea? We (atleast I am) are lamenting ignorance both ways... atheist or not.

Just because he presented the example of "Religion is bad" doesn't mean it was aimed only at atheists.

quote:how exactly do you know everything and are educated enough to not be ignorant in the area of theology.

The opposite of ignorant is versed. Being versed doesn't mean knowing everything. It means knowing about the field.

"Where did anyone in this thread challenge that idea? We (atleast I am) are lamenting ignorance both ways... atheist or not.

Just because he presented the example of "Religion is bad" doesn't mean it was aimed only at atheists."

Good wording, but I wasnt referring to this thread. I was referring to the other posts where you, Hammer&Sickle, etc seem to think you have it all figured out and whatnot.. So like I said, we're all at fault here. You're just as ignorant of the world as anyone else.

chances are you will most likely change your views as you progress thru life. best to keep an open mind and not be fixated by certain principles, always try to find new things and dont shut your mind out to the possibilities...

one thing i noticed here is dat a lot of people attack the person rather than the argument and that there are people who are less than civil...

maybe we should try to avoid that to get some constructive discussions but then again...

quote: I was referring to the other posts where you, Hammer&Sickle, etc seem to think you have it all figured out and whatnot..

If I express my replies in a non-ignorant manner, why Im I at fault? It's not my fault you don't reply back with anything intelligent.

In all of these threads: you post your argument/idea/theory, then someone either discredits it/proves you wrong or agress and you either discredit him back or shut up. Its not my fault YOU shut up and then you think I have everything figured out...

Weed and Booze, Anyone who makes posts based on opinion and believe as fact are ignorant, most people here do not know the difference between Catholicism and Christianity, in fact most people don't see a difference in that. Most people in this area or ignorant, because it is human nature, but when they deny it and it is clear that they are ignorant than they anger others. Atheism is to my understanding is the belief that there is no god, if you can even say that it is a belief. But in many cases which makes it a stereotype they are vastly uneducated in other religions and have no clue about the actions the doctrines of the religion. My expertise is in Christianity, to be more specific Catholiscism...why? Because it is the religion I grew up with and I study and realize the problems of organized religion and then make theories based on my opinion and present it to the group. Now this is why I hate MOST not all but most atheists because they have no clue about religion of which I am talking about. They flame on nothing, absolutely nothing based on there opinions. This post is only meant for people of higher intelligence than this ignorance of religion. To not be ignorant of others beliefs as so many people are.

Rust:

Perhaps I'm missing something, but you didn't make it very clear what was pretty stupid about my previous statements.

Hammer&Sickle:

quote:most people here do not know the difference between Catholicism and Christianity

I don't think you meant to, but you appear to be implying that they are seperate beliefs, when really Catholicism is a subset of Christianity.

quote:Atheism is to my understanding is the belief that there is no god, if you can even say that it is a belief.

Atheism 101:

Weak atheism - I don't believe in God.

Strong atheism - There is no God.

Your biggest argument for the ignorance of most atheists seems to be the fact that they constantly bring up the same points (religion's history of violence and oppression, contradiction within holy books, etc.)

Just because they are overused doesn't mean that the points are invalid or their posters ignorant.

Also, I (and many of the other posters, I suspect) would appreciate it if you would do some formatting in your posts. Even just a line break here or there.

quote:Originally posted by Hammer&Sickle:

Please we need to put a stop to this. As much as we have an urge to slap and utterly destroy these people's posts they obviously are too ignorant and don't get the point. I really am tired that they are so stupid as to open threads that just reak of ignorance "religion is bad" that statement itself is full of ignorance. Really what can we do?

people is bad and religion is bad too because the world dont exist and jesus is a lyer

Iam not a nazi follow me

Holy jumping fucking jesus.



Have a great day!

I'll gladly explain it for you Craftian:

quote:Well, it is. The problem is when people rant on without thought/spelling/capitalisation.

Here you state that IT IS. As if it where a "fact", when in reality its just an opinion.

quote:And as we all know, beliefs are an excellent substitute for facts.

And now here, in a very sarcastic way, you say that beliefs are not substitues for facts. Thus making your previous statement, or your last one, null and stupid.

quote:Originally posted by Rust:

And now here, in a very sarcastic way, you say that beliefs are not substitues for facts. Thus making your previous statement, or your last one, null and stupid.

Thanks for clearing that up.

Now, in response to that, I beg to differ.

I said "It is" in response to the statement "Religion is the scum of the earth."

Now, my whole argument hinges on the meaning of the word scum.

Mirriam-Webster Online (http://www.m-w.com) says

Scum -

1 a : extraneous matter or impurities risen to or formed on the surface of a liquid often as a foul filmy covering b : the scoria of metals in a molten state : DROSS c : a slimy film on a solid or gelatinous object

2 a : REFUSE b : a low, vile, or worthless person or group of people

Now, the definition doesn't work perfectly, because religion is an item itself rather than a person of group of people. If you look at it, however, it is fairly easy to see that it is worthless - that it serves no unique purpose and fills no necessary role.

There are crutches far more effective (alcohol), support groups far more supportive (alcoholics anonymous) and charities just as charitible (most of them).

quote:Now, my whole argument hinges on the meaning of the word scum.

A great reply, yet it still doesn't change the FACT, that what you said is an OPINION.

quote:Originally posted by Hammer&Sickle:

Weed and Booze, Anyone who makes posts based on opinion and believe as fact are ignorant, most people here do not know the difference between Catholicism and Christianity, in fact most people don't see a difference in that. Most people in this area or ignorant, because it is human nature, but when they deny it and it is clear that they are ignorant than they anger others. Atheism is to my understanding is the belief that there is no god, if you can even say that it is a belief. But in many cases which makes it a stereotype they are vastly uneducated in other religions and have no clue about the actions the doctrines of the religion. My expertise is in Christianity, to be more specific Catholiscism...why? Because it is the religion I grew up with and I study and realize the problems of organized religion and then make theories based on my opinion and present it to the group. Now this is why I hate MOST not all but most atheists because they have no clue about religion of which I am talking about. They flame on nothing, absolutely nothing based on there opinions. This post is only meant for people of higher intelligence than this ignorance of religion. To not be ignorant of others beliefs as so many people are.

"Weed and Booze, Anyone who makes posts based on opinion and believe as fact are ignorant"

well in case you haven't noticed, rleigion is all opinion. It is someones opinion on life, and death. God is not a fact. He is an idea.

"Most people in this area or ignorant, because it is human nature, but when they deny it and it is clear that they are ignorant than they anger others"

Well then that makes you ignorant also. You are human. You don't have complete understanding, so therefor you are ignorant. How do you know you go to Heaven after you die? It is impossible to know. That quote shows your hypocrisy. You are human and aren't admitting your ignorance.

"My expertise is in Christianity, to be more specific Catholiscism...why? Because it is the religion I grew up with and I study and realize the problems of organized religion and then make theories based on my opinion and present it to the group. Now this is why I hate MOST not all but most atheists because they have no clue about religion of which I am talking about"

Actually I grew up Catholic, but now am Atheist. I don't believe it, so I am not ignorant. And way to follow Jesus man. You just said you hated most the Atheist's, which is preposterous. You haven't even met 1% of all of them yet. that is a really hateful and cruel thing to say. I wasn't attacking you. I was attacking what you were trying to say. Then you went and attacked most Atheism.

"They flame on nothing, absolutely nothing based on there opinions"

Sounds like what you just did to Atheism. You attacked it because in your opinion there is a God. You didn't base it on fact. In your opinion MOST Atheists were ignorant and stupid. That isn't a fact though.

"This post is only meant for people of higher intelligence than this ignorance of religion"

I think I am of higher intelligence. I didn't attack you or Rust. And I think Rust is very intelligent. after being flamed by you I cannot say that you are fit to be posting on this thread.

Next time you write an argument don't be so hateful. Don't attack me. I was only attacking your idea before this.

This board has the highest percentage of people intolerant of non-structured arguments, the same thing you get in all the other boards. You'd think the christians would be the most tolerant.

Ok here's my say: i think religion is good. I am an atheist in a big way, but religion, apart from the opium that karl marx called it, is also the cohesive, educating and moral force in a society.....or should i say, in a primitive society.

In the modern world, i think that spirituality should take precedence over religion, in other words, what you think, not what people tell you to think. Because nowadays, you can get your morals, education and cohesion from anywhere else.

And any religion, that leads to alienation and segregation like judaism (not always but history is repetitive there), or intolerance, like Taliban, can't be a good thing. It may have been ok to have been a group of misfits practicing a strange religion out in the sinai back when, but modern religion should be tolerant and accepted by society at large.

quote:Originally posted by Rust:

A great reply, yet it still doesn't change the FACT, that what you said is an OPINION.

Thank you. But I still disagree.

In what way is religion not worthless?

quote:Originally posted by Tabiba:

religion...is also the cohesive, educating and moral force in a society

At least you qualified this with your statement about primitive societies. None of these things are unique to religion. Most are done far better by other methods.

Take, for example, the fundamentalists that want to teach creation "science" beside evolution. I hardly call that educating.

quote:modern religion should be tolerant and accepted by society at large

No, it shouldn't. It should be nonexistant. Ridiculous superstition has no place in modern society.

And I must admit Rust, that is a belief.

quote:Originally posted by Tabiba:

This board has the highest percentage of people intolerant of non-structured arguments, the same thing you get in all the other boards. You'd think the christians would be the most tolerant.

Ok here's my say: i think religion is good. I am an atheist in a big way, but religion, apart from the opium that karl marx called it, is also the cohesive, educating and moral force in a society.....or should i say, in a primitive society.

In the modern world, i think that spirituality should take precedence over religion, in other words, what you think, not what people tell you to think. Because nowadays, you can get your morals, education and cohesion from anywhere else.

And any religion, that leads to alienation and segregation like judaism (not always but history is repetitive there), or intolerance, like Taliban, can't be a good thing. It may have been ok to have been a group of misfits practicing a strange religion out in the sinai back when, but modern religion should be tolerant and accepted by society at large.

I just had to reply to this post,which is absolutly spot on. But rather than quoting individual sentences and replying, all i can say is this.

Money and the persuit of status(in any class) is the opium of the masses

An untolerant christian is not a christian.

Religions are all institutionalised by the miss interpretation of the teachings and corruptions of the teachings of the original prophet.

Find your own path by yourself and free yourself from other peoples ideas,The road to enlightenment is one you have to walk alone.

ANd lastly

Wish for the well being of all living things for the short time you are on this earth, compassion and empathy are the root of all religion,

quote:Originally posted by Craftian:

[B] Ridiculous superstition has no place in modern society.

[B]

But society is FULL of that!! ok i might be generalising too loosely here, but horoscopes, hallowe'en, stag and hen parties, wedding ceremonies.... well anyways, just a whole lot of crazy beliefs and traditions based on those beliefs. Pretty harmless too. Especially a religion that tells you to be nice to others.

And i agree that religion is a crap educator, full of carefully-placed holes and bias, but in primitive societies, it's all they have.

quote: Thank you. But I still disagree.

In what way is religion not worthless?

It doesn't matter if you disagree.. Do I care? NO.

The FACT still remains it's an OPINION. If you cannot understand that, then you need a little more education, you should try school.

And in "what ways I think religion is not worthless" does not bare a thing on this argument.

quote:Originally posted by Tabiba:

But society is FULL of that!! ok i might be generalising too loosely here,

No, you're absolutely right. And horoscopes, Hallowe'en, wedding ceremonies, etc. have no place in modern society.

quote:Originally posted by Rust:

It doesn't matter if you disagree.. Do I care? NO.

The FACT still remains it's an OPINION. If you cannot understand that, then you need a little more education, you should try school.

Ah, resorting to insults, are we?

I contend that religion has no worth because it serves no necessary or unique purpose. This is a fact.

If you can give me a legitimate definition of worth that includes religion, or a definition of religion that includes worth, my statement will be relegated to the realm of opinion, and will be absolutely wrong.

quote:And in "what ways I think religion is not worthless" does not bare a thing on this argument.

I didn't ask in what ways do you think religion is not worthless - I asked in what way is it not worthless. Worth is a measurable attribute.

quote:Originally posted by Tabiba:

You'd think the christians would be the most tolerant.

Not if you looked at history.

quote:Ah, resorting to insults, are we?

Yes, in an attempt to get it pass you, I decided to insult you, Im sorry. But yet again you suprise us with more stupidity.

quote:I contend that religion has no worth because it serves no necessary or unique purpose. This is a fact.

NO, this is an OPINION. Lets say that for me it does serve an unique purpose and worth. How can you disprove me wrong, you can't. So it is a matter of OPINION.

Just to think of it as a fact, you would have to ask every thinking being of this universe, have you? Because for them, it COULD be worth something. ITS AN OPINION.

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Thank you for your statement, Hammer. But, in the future if you want to post a statement in regaurds to this forum (or any other forum) of this fashion please post in Spurious.

It will gain more attention there anyways.

Cheers,

Lost

quote:Originally posted by Rust:

NO, this is an OPINION. Lets say that for me it does serve an unique purpose and worth. How can you disprove me wrong, you can't. So it is a matter of OPINION.

Let's say that God exists. How can you disprove me wrong? You can't. Does this mean that it is a matter of opinion? No, because God's existence (like my existence, or the worth of religion) is a measurable attribute.

The statement "Religion has worth" is non-falsifiable. I would have to go through every attribute of religion, real or perceived and prove that they are all worthless. However, if you were to post an example of religion's worth, I would be proven wrong.

quote:Just to think of it as a fact, you would have to ask every thinking being of this universe, have you? Because for them, it COULD be worth something. ITS AN OPINION.

The worth of something does not vary from person to person. What is the worth of a computer? It allows communication between people, processing of information essentially impossible without it's existence, etc. Do these facts change whether it is me looking at it or you? No.

Weed and Booze you are the one attacking me, whether or not you feel like it but you are. I NEVER stated that I was not ignorant, I am ignorant in many things. I am ignorant in playing the base, knife throwing, cooking, and a whole lot of other things. You outright say that I am a hypocrite? Is that not an attack?

Do I have to admit to my ignorance especially to you? I am not someone who needs your validation. Religion is not all opinion, obviously some things in the bible are true, namely.... the Romans, Crucifiction, pharisees among other things.

How do you know God is not Fact. Now this one statement undermines the rest of your post, based on opinion and fact. the REAL fact is that God is a "specualtion" to better phrase it. I never said that we went to heaven, you could imply that I believe it because of my religion but I did not state it so who are you really trying to argue with? and what does Higher Intelligence have to do with attacks? You can attack/flame people but normally they have a point and actually don't cusss or just say blips of offensive phrases.

Where did I flame rust if you would so much as show me?.I can't find it, you enlighten me.

now what EXACTLY was your point.

The fact that I believe in his teachings does not mean I practice it every waking moment of my life. I will say HATE as an exaggeration. I am more annoyed at atheists who practice and add to the atheist stereotype. I am friends with you Weed and Booze and you are atheist. But you are not the usual atheist. So actually let me rephrase. I really am annoyed by atheists who practice and add to the stereotypes and just anger the rest of the world. BTW Jesus got angry as well.

quote: Let's say that God exists. How can you disprove me wrong? You can't. Does this mean that it is a matter of opinion? No, because God's existence (like my existence, or the worth of religion) is a measurable attribute.

It's not the same! God existance is either YES or NO. No opinion involved. But "Do you believe in God" IS a matter of opinion and similar to "Religion's worth".

quote:The worth of something does not vary from person to person. What is the worth of a computer? It allows communication between people, processing of information essentially impossible without it's existence, etc. Do these facts change whether it is me looking at it or you? No.

Ask Steven Hawkin the worth of a computer, ask a poor man the worth of a computer and ask a rich man the worth of a computer.

They will all give different answers, that's because "worth" is relative. Not how much it costs but how desirable or useful it is to THEM.

Let's define worth for you: The quality that renders something desirable, useful, or valuable.

Religion could be useful to me and not to you, THAT's a matter of OPINION. It could be desirable to ME, that's OPINION. Please tell me how YOU can decide what's desirable to ME? Please tell us.

You've lost accept it and shut up.

Rust: you arguing with me or someone else, i did not understand

oh nevermind craftian.

quote:Originally posted by Hammer&Sickle:

Weed and Booze you are the one attacking me, whether or not you feel like it but you are. I NEVER stated that I was not ignorant, I am ignorant in many things. I am ignorant in playing the base, knife throwing, cooking, and a whole lot of other things. You outright say that I am a hypocrite? Is that not an attack?

"Do I have to admit to my ignorance especially to you? I am not someone who needs your validation. Religion is not all opinion, obviously some things in the bible are true, namely.... the Romans, Crucifiction, pharisees among other things.

How do you know God is not Fact. Now this one statement undermines the rest of your post, based on opinion and fact. the REAL fact is that God is a "specualtion" to better phrase it. I never said that we went to heaven, you could imply that I believe it because of my religion but I did not state it so who are you really trying to argue with? and what does Higher Intelligence have to do with attacks? You can attack/flame people but normally they have a point and actually don't cusss or just say blips of offensive phrases.

Where did I flame rust if you would so much as show me?.I can't find it, you enlighten me.

now what EXACTLY was your point.

The fact that I believe in his teachings does not mean I practice it every waking moment of my life. I will say HATE as an exaggeration. I am more annoyed at atheists who practice and add to the atheist stereotype. I am friends with you Weed and Booze and you are atheist. But you are not the usual atheist. So actually let me rephrase. I really am annoyed by atheists who practice and add to the stereotypes and just anger the rest of the world. BTW Jesus got angry as well.

"Weed and Booze you are the one attacking me, whether or not you feel like it but you are. I NEVER stated that I was not ignorant, I am ignorant in many things. I am ignorant in playing the base, knife throwing, cooking, and a whole lot of other things. You outright say that I am a hypocrite? Is that not an attack?"

That wasn't an attack. I was attacking your post which implied that most atheists are more ignorant than you. And It was also a defense because you said you Hated most Atheists.

Do I have to admit to my ignorance especially to you? I am not someone who needs your validation. Religion is not all opinion, obviously some things in the bible are true, namely.... the Romans, Crucifiction, pharisees among other things."

Then don't make a thread saying a lot of people in the forum are ignorant if you yourself are ignorant. No you don't have to prove your ignorance. You just have to stop belittling those with different opinions. yes the list you made is true but those aren't religious beliefs in the Bible. Those are historic facts.

"How do you know God is not Fact. Now this one statement undermines the rest of your post, based on opinion and fact. the REAL fact is that God is a "specualtion" to better phrase it. I never said that we went to heaven, you could imply that I believe it because of my religion but I did not state it so who are you really trying to argue with? and what does Higher Intelligence have to do with attacks? You can attack/flame people but normally they have a point and actually don't cusss or just say blips of offensive phrases."

God isn't a fact because he can't be proven to be real. I'm arguing your opinion on how most Atheists are ignorant. who are you to talk. This whole thread flames people. I wasn't flaming you, I was striking back after you said that you hated Most Atheists. You have been flaming so much that you have not realized that the Atheists on the thread have made points of there own.

"Where did I flame rust if you would so much as show me?.I can't find it, you enlighten me."

What are you talking about. I just said that I thought Rust was being verse about the whole topic. I wasn't saying you flamed her. You really need to quote if you are going to argue with me. Don't write what I didn't say.

I don't want to end this argument at odds either. This is just a friendly argument of opinion. I believe this thread is finished. Both sides have said their share.

quote:Originally posted by Rust:

Ask Steven Hawkin the worth of a computer, ask a poor man the worth of a computer and ask a rich man the worth of a computer.

They will all give different answers, that's because "worth" is relative. Not how much it costs but how desirable or useful it is to THEM.

But none of them would claim a computer is worthless. While the degree of worth may differ, the fact that it has worth doesn't.



quote:Let's define worth for you: The quality that renders something desirable, useful, or valuable.

You have yet to give one example of a quality that makes religion desirable, useful or valuable.

quote:You've lost accept it and shut up.

I wondered when you were going to realise that.

I recognized that you were correct several posts ago, but I wanted to see if I could still win the argument simply by wearing you down.

I guess I lose.

[This message has been edited by Craftian (edited 07-08-2003).]

Everyone is ignorant to some degree, but I blame most atheists on this forum for that fault considering that they are the ones who make the posts "Religion is stupid evil and bad" among other things. Yes they have different opinions and views, but when they lash out at another belief that is pure stupidity especially considering the fact that most that have done that don't know about the religion they are talking about. Yes Hate was exaggerated but I think you understood when I meant it. I am not hypocritical because I am not ignorant in the sense of the people who I am griping about. That is EXACTLY why I say MOST atheists who I have talked to, on this forum or not are a pain in the ass to talk to, because they denounce others beliefs, I don't think I have done that on Atheist beliefs, I don't care if they believe there is a God or not, I just don't want them to make any comment on a religion they don't know anything about. Try to reason with me. Whether it was hypocritical or not, it is true, and most of these kids have an IQ of 91 or below and are between 14 and 12 who are pains in the ass, Sadly I am in that group but at least I have sense to reply and defend my statement. And your post was a retaliation, that is what I consider an Attack, because you did not reason at all with me.

quote:While the degree of worth may differ...

Hence, its opinion. http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

quote:I recognized that you were correct several posts ago, but I wanted to see if I could still win the argument simply by wearing you down.

I guess I lose.

Nice try; If I believe I'm without a doubt right I wont back down. http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

What's scary is the fact that no one else argued against you, which leads me to believe you were probably getting them to belive you...

[This message has been edited by Rust (edited 07-08-2003).]

I was only arguing with Hammer & Sickle. I didn't care to argue with anyone else.

That was a good debate though.

Lol, i didn't believe you craftian.