Do the guys that walk around talking about their religions and why you should join them piss you people off as well?

Not really. I just say no.

Yes they do. It pisses me off how they treat people like sheep and get them to 'try and join the flock'. Sad thing is, every religion does it, just in different ways. I believe spiritual choices should be both explored and chosen by an individual, not forced upon with scare tactics (example: "fire and brimstone", etc.).



I think it partly shows insecurity on the religions part when they have to send people door to door, and it gives me the impression that they are either ashamed or insecure about their numbers. I can understand that both the bible and the Koran (im sorry to all Moslems if I spelt that incorrectly, I have no wish to offend) encourage the spreading of religion, but I have never agreed with it. You only have one life, and the religion you choose during it, if any, should be well chosen and not forced.



-MD

They are like new wine: don't drink too much of it, it is very acid.

And if they have been religious for a long time, and still feel the need to proselitize, what can you say? They are lost cases, never got the message of religion which is to refine yourself and just plainly love the universe and whet fills it up, without asking for return.

Boy do they annoy me. Partly because they waste my time and energy--both of which are limited.

Also because of their sheer fucking arrogance and ignorance.

Like ArmsMerchant said, they annoy me because they waste time and energy.

They won't listen to what you have to say, unless it's "this is interesting."

People that walk around moaning about religion annoy me more

In order for people to moan about proselytizers, the proselytizers have to exist as priori for something to complain about.

If you want to take out 2 birds with 1 stone, attack the problem at it's source.

there a lot of them people in my country. Poor bastards...there are times when I feel sorry for this people especially when they aree taken advantaged of by some bastard nut case who ends up milking the little they have to support their bullshit lifestyle. Fucking ironic when these bastards talk:

"...I use to live in several houses but now I live in a hotel..."

-bro. M.V.

another one

"...my neighbor sez your full of crap bro. MV and that you are just milking the hell outta us. I dont believe him and I would like him to join the faith..."

bro.MV:"...give some of the holy water that is being sold for twenty pesos, and dont forget to make him drink from our holy cup, it is also being sold here. that should cure the problem..."

and i can never forget the riots inspired from the pulpit...

quote:In order for people to moan about proselytizers, the proselytizers have to exist as priori for something to complain about.

If you want to take out 2 birds with 1 stone, attack the problem at it's source.Mostly the kewl atheists seem to be attacking the concept of religion in general rather than limiting their attacks to those who promote their religion. You could ban people from attempting to convert altogether others to a particular faith altogether, and there would still be some kid on totse posting "religigion is bullshitt. God isnt reel. how culd he make the earth in six days??? and disnosaurs and llok at this website www.crossantichristians.org (http://www.crossantichristians.org) Exposing religious contradictions which call into question claims of scriptural inerrancy is an interesting intellectual exercise. A bunch of morons making unsupported claims are just irritating, regardless of what those claims are.

In order for governments to waste taxpayer money on utterly asinine and futile anti-soft drug campaigns, soft drug users and advocates of soft drug use have to exist as priori. Should we therefore attack the problem at its source?

i see a lot of hare krishnas walking about talkin to strangers and asking for donations and handing out leaflets and books. I have no problem with them they dont cause trouble but when they come up to me i always say to them, you are blasphemers you must accept the lord jesus as your saviour and follow him otherwise you will burn in the bad fires of hell for all eternity etc, they leave me alone after that but i respect the religious its hypocracy i hate, such as killing in the name of mohammed or christ, and people currupting and using religious doctrines in order to gain power and controll people, the king james version of the bible's is an example, censored and corrupted,badly translated its actually mostly fake

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quote:Originally posted by mister pointyhat:

i see a lot of hare krishnas walking about talkin to strangers and asking for donations and handing out leaflets and books. I have no problem with them they dont cause trouble but when they come up to me i always say to them, you are blasphemers you must accept the lord jesus as your saviour and follow him otherwise you will burn in the bad fires of hell for all eternity etc, they leave me alone after that but i respect the religious its hypocracy i hate, such as killing in the name of mohammed or christ, and people currupting and using religious doctrines in order to gain power and controll people, the king james version of the bible's is an example, censored and corrupted,badly translated its actually mostly fake

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Amen to that. As long as they dont bother or abuse other people. If they are really sincere about it that would b okay but heaven forbid all those suicide cults and suicide bombers, sincere but extremely whacked

yesterday was canada day so me and some friends were drinking outside. we are across the street from a church and these two guys were looking at us, and they started to come over. we thought they were cops because we had open liqur, but they asked us if we wanted to go to church, as if we were going to pack up our cooler and weed, our blanket, foot ball, frisbee, and small couch, and go into the church drunk and high. my brother said no thanks, and i said sorry i'm jewish(im not of course), then i laughed. it didnt bug me but i was drunk. it was a little uncomfortable though. i mean, we may as well have fun on earth, because im sure there is no pot or beer in heaven, just wine

My Mom use to be a Mormon (still is just doesn't believe in it). So local Mormon missionaries come over a lot and try to get her to go to Mass. My mom has the beliefs of an atheist though.

It pisses me off, but I don't hate them.

mormons used to go round knoking on doors were i live, but i havent seen one for years, and yes they do look like cops dont they, i always thought they were cid i just thought they got the hint eventually after people telling them to fuck off

I get really annoyed. I mean, seriously they shouldn't be allowed to do that, if people don't join that religion upon your own will then why try and force them too? Personally I think the gov should do something about it. I think it is just crap when they try shit like that.

-miakia

quote:Originally posted by Me Miakia:

I get really annoyed. I mean, seriously they shouldn't be allowed to do that, if people don't join that religion upon your own will then why try and force them too? Personally I think the gov should do something about it. I think it is just crap when they try shit like that.

-miakia

nobody has ever tryed to force me into joining a religion

but i am from scotland and when i was five i was sent to school (catholic school)a five year old has no choice in the matter but i was not forced i dont think. i just accepted it as the normal whay things worked, and my freinds went to protestant school,so this is what i dont agree with too, so what i say is,fuck the queen and fuck the pope too,

quote:Originally posted by FuckOffandDie:

In order for governments to waste taxpayer money on utterly asinine and futile anti-soft drug campaigns, soft drug users and advocates of soft drug use have to exist as priori. Should we therefore attack the problem at its source?

The problem is the expendature of taxpayer dollars on a war that doesn't even have to exist, much less can't be won as demonstrated during prohibition.

The problem is the entire precept of the victimless crime. That which has no victim should not be a crime.

The problem is the government saying what you can and can not do to yourself.

I don't understand how the Supreme Court can rule in the Roe v. Wade case that abotion is jutified because a woman has the right to do what she wants to with her body, yet when she goes to do some drugs or prostitute herself, the same government that said she can do what she wants to with herself is now imprisoning her for exercising the freedom they just claimed she had.

The problem is other people wanting to say what you can and can not do with yourself.

The problem is puritanism, the problem is hypocracy, the problem is incompetence, the problem is trying to come up with last minute desperate solutions to other fucking people's problems.

What should happen in the U.S. is the same thing that has happened in the Netherlands. legalize prostitution and drugs, regulate and tax it. It becomes a source of income for the government, the people get what they want, win/win situation.

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some guy in australia, invited the mormons in, and gave them some 'cookies'

he he he... they were pot cookies, and the mormon (morons!) got really stoned and went to the hospital cause they didnt know what was going on!

Moral of the story... slip them drugs and see what happens!

quote:Originally posted by Dark Magneto

The problem is ...

...[end of rant]Glad to see my analogy filled you with righteous wrath http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif).

Eradication of drug use is no more a solution to ill-informed anti-drugs ranting than removing religion to discourage ill-informed anti-religious ranting. And equally impossible to achieve.



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The people that walk around and go door too door are simply doing what jesus did. And what the bible tells everyone they should do. Matthew 28:19-20...commands the people that know, to preach to the ones that do not. The thing about it is the way some of them go about it is wrong. If you tell them no, they aren't supposed to give you a hard time about it or continue to visit and ask you. No is no and they don't get it sometimes.

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quote:Originally posted by ATypiCalStuDenT:

Moral of the story... slip them drugs and see what happens!

Note: This guy was eventually charged, convicted and given either a suspended jail sentence or community service work. (Can't remember which.)

Your call.

I don't answer the bell for strangers, so I don't come in contact with proselytizers.

I get a little frosted when it becomes official policy though:

quote:Islam is a religion in which God requires you to send your son to die for him. Christianity is a faith in which God sends his son to die for you. - John Ashcroft

hell quote:Originally posted by AlwaysTired:

The people that walk around and go door too door are simply doing what jesus did. And what the bible tells everyone they should do. Matthew 28:19-20...commands the people that know, to preach to the ones that do not. The thing about it is the way some of them go about it is wrong. If you tell them no, they aren't supposed to give you a hard time about it or continue to visit and ask you. No is no and they don't get it sometimes.

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Well Matthew, a guy who wrote about Jesus after the tale had been stretched, said to spread the word. Jesus didn't. If Jesus hadn't bothered people the world wouldn't have as good morales though.

They are just trying to enlighten the masses toward what they feel is right. You should be secure enough in your faith (or lack there of) to be able to refute their beliefs, if you see it necessary.

I'm sorry I must not have been clear in saying "Matthew 28:19-20...commands the people that know, to preach to the ones that do not." When in reality it is God that commands us to preach, not Matthew. Not only does God himself command this....But in the sermon on the mount, Matthew 24:14....Jesus himself said, "And this good news will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come." So basicly when the word of God has been taught to (or at least attempted to be taught to everyone), whether you listen or slam the doors in their faces, that's your chance to become involved and become one of God's servants. Thereby avoiding eternal Hell...(which means 2nd death) or no chance of resurection. Then God will call an end to this evil Satanic system we live in.

Hell (Hades,Sheol) actually means the grave.



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Man i fucking hate them, even when i say no thanx to them they like comment something about my shirt or some shit like that. I mean i relize that they want new people to join their religion, but fuck don't they get it that people don't like being pushed into blieving in something, or even hearing about something that they akready declined to hearing. damint

Maybe all they really want is to help you.

On my last trip back from California, Their was a black street preacher, on my bus, on the way to Chicago. He was ranting on and on about Christianity, and mostly talking to himself. He brought up the subject of the English setlers forcing Christianity upon the "Savage" Indians. He claimed that their prejudice against the Indians, was progress. Yes, you heard me right, a black man said prejudice was progress.

I asked the man," So was it progress when my ansestors enslaved your ansestors and forced Christianity on them?"

This question made him quiet for a minute, then he replied" No, that is diffrent."

So, I asked how it was diffrent, I mean it was the same religion, same method of force for change, just a diffrent race of people.

His reply was, "The Indians were savages, thay were a goddless people. They lived in the wilderness, blasphmering Gods intentions for man."

I then asked,"How was this diffrent than how african tribes lived, before the white man came along, with their progress?"

After that he called me prejudice for saying that was progress.

The logic of that man still baffles me to this day.

It's called "doublethink".

Doublethink

n.

1. Thought marked by the acceptance of gross contradictions and falsehoods, especially when used as a technique of self-indoctrination: “Doublethink... is a vast system of mental cheating” (George Orwell).

2. Believing two contradictory ideas at the same time.

quote:

Originally written by George Orwell's 1984:

The Party said that Oceania had never been in alliance with Eurasia. He, Winston Smith, knew that Oceania had been in alliance with Eurasia as short a time as four years ago. But where did that knowledge exist? Only in his own consciousness, which in any case must soon be annihilated. And if all others accepted the lie which the Party imposed - if all records told the same tale -- then the lie passed into history and became truth. 'Who controls the past,' ran the Party slogan, 'controls the future: who controls the present controls the past.' And yet the past, though of its nature alterable, never had been altered.

Whatever was true now was true from everlasting to everlasting. It was quite simple. All that was needed was an unending series of victories over your own memory. 'Reality control', they called it: in Newspeak, 'doublethink'.

'Stand easy!' barked the instructress, a little more genially. Winston sank his arms to his sides and slowly refilled his lungs with air. His mind slid away into the labyrinthine world of doublethink.

To know and not to know, to be conscious of complete truthfulness while telling carefully constructed lies, to hold simultaneously two opinions which cancelled out, knowing them to be contradictory and believing in both of them, to use logic against logic, to repudiate morality while laying claim to it, to believe that democracy was impossible and that the Party was the guardian of democracy, to forget whatever it was necessary to forget, then to draw it back into memory again at the moment when it was needed, and then promptly to forget again: and above all, to apply the same process to the process itself.

That was the ultimate subtlety: consciously to induce unconsciousness, and then, once again, to become unconscious of the act of hypnosis you had just performed. Even to understand the word 'doublethink' involved the use of doublethink.

hey does anybody want to join the rape-a-child catholic church you get theese great items if you join before your neighbors son turns 10:

Dildo(for yourself)

Handcuffs

A bible filled with condoms

the popes jizz and butter (why drink jesuses blood from whine when you can have the real popes real jizz and butter?)

Ojeejee...what the hell's wrong with you man? Don't you have anything intelligent to say? Damnit grow up!!!

Well, I'm no expert, but I find that people take the words of the Bible too literally.

And, I find that people who whoop and holler and/or run you down to try to drag you to church are probably the biggest of hypocrites. I think religion or faith is a personal thing and should never be "displayed" or "pushed" on another person.

Man those people bug the shit out of me!! Why can't they just leave me alone? If I was interested in their religion, I'd go find them. I'll respect your beliefs, but I'm gonna get a little upset if you come and force them in me. I want to tell those people to shove their bibles right up their asses, and the only thing preventing me from doing so is common decency, though even that is running thin.

Agreed on all accounts.

quote:Originally posted by malaria:

Like ArmsMerchant said, they annoy me because they waste time and energy.

They won't listen to what you have to say, unless it's "this is interesting."



next time you see one tell them to fuck off and they still give tou a bible or whatever

Sometimes they bother me sometimes they don't. A lot of them are polite and respectful which i can deal with, a lot of religions have programs to help young people go to other countries as missionaries which I disagree with in principle, but atthe same time while they are over doing this, they often perform charity and publics works projects which isn't bad. On the other hand, their are some who are rude pushy and tell you to convert simply because you are wrong and they are right....that really fucking pisses me off and i usually tell them this. Just tell them that god says in the bible to love all his creatures and that by telling you your evil and going to hell etc, that they aren't being very christian and will probably go to hell for it then walk away

I have found that most of the time those religious people walking around telling you to join their religion are plain annoying. They waste my time and don't listen. plus most of those bible toting maniacs I've encountered just stick their bible in my face and imply that I will go to hell if I don't jin their religion. Now wave in front of them a copy of the necronomicon and they dissappear really quick http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif).

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quote:Originally posted by notahick:

...people go to other countries as missionaries which I disagree with in principle, but at the same time while they are over there doing this, they often perform charity and publics works projects which isn't bad.

In some places (the middle east in particlular), these seeming acts of charity are a guise to obtain a visa, because proselytising is illegal. Some of them also get cover jobs in business and industry.

I would have thought a Christian would be more honest.

I hate it, They come to my door dressed up in black, me being as paranoid as am, think thier the men in black and try to grab my bat. By that time i can hear them say" God loves you"

Ahhhhhhhhhh! These Christians just dont give up tell they convert the whole world.

I dont mean no offence but my religion is Sikh and its based from budda ( i spelled that wrong) and hindu religions and from some more aswell. Which have been around far back before the time of christ, so i find it hard to believe when they tell me that thier religion is the original and its the only path to god. blah blah blah.

Deep

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quote:Originally posted by Dark_Magneto:

It's called "doublethink".

Doublethink

n.

1. Thought marked by the acceptance of gross contradictions...[what is a gross contradiction versus just a contradiction?]... and falsehoods, especially when used as a technique of self-indoctrination: “Doublethink... is a vast system of mental cheating” (George Orwell).

2. Believing two contradictory ideas at the same time.[is it possible to think of two ideas at the same time? Is it really just rapidly alternating singlethink?]



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Of course, I shouldn't be too single-minded about my thoughts above.

If I say I am only thinking about one idea, or thought, what does that mean? What would determine that an idea is unity, rather than bi-unity? Or tri-unity?

So double and singlethink are useful, but limited ideas, of course.

Cool toon dark, but it must have been created during a previous administration.