did god create a mechanism were an insect can only reproduse itself by paralising another insect and injecting its own offspring larvy inside its body to feed until they grow and repeat the actions of there mother

or is god rightious ,seriously why do we perceive god as a nice person, would you creat such a word if you were god

im shit scared of god

Don't be, he'll never cause you any significant harm.

i dont know about this. it is incomprehensible (an all too human trait when thinking of the architect) for me to invision the divine architect to be evil. I dont know, im a small speck in the big picture,but i have always thought the architect would be a sort of force of nature, neither good nor evil, just an is...in our scale can we ever truly see through a mind that in definition is limitless or personifies the entirety of the cosmos?

We need not fear it, what can we do when it is already there...

what im trying to say is that we just have to roll with the punches and live as best as we can...

who knows maybe the architect is real maybe it is not, maybe he is like the absentee deity in the deist machine, who knows, we can go into a myriad of what ifs and we would just scratch the surface...best to live in upbeat fashion do as best as we can...

quote:Originally posted by Beany:

Don't be, he'll never cause you any significant harm.

but i am insignificant on a universal perseption, and i have the potential to feel pain and suffering

But im pleased you have this faith in a god

quote:Originally posted by BlueEagle:

i dont know about this. it is incomprehensible (an all too human trait when thinking of the architect) for me to invision the divine architect to be evil. I dont know, im a small speck in the big picture,but i have always thought the architect would be a sort of force of nature, neither good nor evil, just an is...in our scale can we ever truly see through a mind that in definition is limitless or personifies the entirety of the cosmos?

We need not fear it, what can we do when it is already there...

what im trying to say is that we just have to roll with the punches and live as best as we can...

who knows maybe the architect is real maybe it is not, maybe he is like the absentee deity in the deist machine, who knows, we can go into a myriad of what ifs and we would just scratch the surface...best to live in upbeat fashion do as best as we can...

yes i understand what you are trying to say, its hard to put such thoughts into words isnt it.,but when you say do the best we can in upbeat fashion you are speaking of the unperminent physical existance we are trapped in for the short time before we are released

quote:Originally posted by mister pointyhat:

but i am insignificant on a universal perseption, and i have the potential to feel pain and suffering



You are as significant as anything else that exists.

Also, you do have the potential to feel pain and suffering, but certain prophets have preached Godly wisdom that can releave anyone from suffering.

It's in this wisdom where you can understand how no significant harm can come to you.

Interesting you should use that as an example. When naturalists first discovered that in the nineteenth century, they were appalled that god could creat such a seemingly sadistic means of reproduction.

Thing is, all life comes from death. That is the way it is, that is the way it has to be. Otherwise, the world would fill up with biomatter. Get used to it, or continue to suffer needlessly.

Granted, the god as protrayed in the old testament is a sadistic, arbitrary, petty motherfucker. (For one of the more obvious examples, see the book of job.)

My god is all about love and creativity. He does not judge or punish. He is not some fucking celestial Santa Claus, making a list of who is naughty and who is nice. There is no hell, that is a cruel myth.

And my god has no preference regarding your behavior, so long as it conforms with your highest (no drug pun intended) and grandest conception of yourself. Our job is to be self-creating, and to learn to transcend fear and manifest unconditional love.

quote:Originally posted by ArmsMerchant:

Interesting you should use that as an example. When naturalists first discovered that in the nineteenth century, they were appalled that god could creat such a seemingly sadistic means of reproduction.

Thing is, all life comes from death. That is the way it is, that is the way it has to be. Otherwise, the world would fill up with biomatter. Get used to it, or continue to suffer needlessly.

Granted, the god as protrayed in the old testament is a sadistic, arbitrary, petty motherfucker. (For one of the more obvious examples, see the book of job.)

My god is all about love and creativity. He does not judge or punish. He is not some fucking celestial Santa Claus, making a list of who is naughty and who is nice. There is no hell, that is a cruel myth.

And my god has no preference regarding your behavior, so long as it conforms with your highest (no drug pun intended) and grandest conception of yourself. Our job is to be self-creating, and to learn to transcend fear and manifest unconditional love.



I like that idea...thanks AM



-MD

ok AM im glad you have such faith, The book of job is a masterpeice,its my favourite in fact.But my point was that when i see such things in nature were even the least of gods bretheren suffers in such pain, it makes me question the rightousness of the god i was brought up to beleve in.I suffer if i see suffering.

quote:Originally posted by mister pointyhat:

I suffer if i see suffering.

This is the one and only problem I have with my beliefs.

I can learn to be completely free from suffering once I've gained the wisdom, but seeing someone else suffer would still cause me mental grief, because i'd know that the only person who can stop that suffering is them. I would pity them in their ignorance, because i know that ignorance (of god) is the cause of fear, and fear is the cause of suffering.

no beany i was not only talking about the suffering of humans, i was talkin about the suffering of all living things,from single cell organisms upward.that is what i meant by the least of gods bretheren.

quote:Originally posted by Beany:

the only person who can stop that suffering is them. I would pity them in their ignorance, because i know that ignorance (of god) is the cause of fear, and fear is the cause of suffering.

What religious mumbo jumbo. So are you saying that the poor buggers on earth who suffer are just ignorant of god? and that if they saw the divine light, they would suddenly shed their pains and fears? What kind of a secluded, pain free, sheltered existence do you live in anyways? No, it doesnt always work out, the good guy doesnt save the day, the most pious does not get spared and prayers get ignored.

Is god evil? i am against the idea of a god because it sounds all so twisted, unbalanced and wrong. An all-powerful, all-knowing being who deliberately keeps his "thinking" creations in the dark as to their purpose or place in the cosmic scheme of things? Like the master of the puppets, or ringmaster of a circus of performing guinea pigs. Like a master of a chessboard, dropping the pawns in without first asking them if they want in, and ensuring a one-way exit door to death.

Mind you, i'm grateful for my life and life experiences, but i'm extremely irked at this whole charade i have to go through.

Life is either an unlikely series of random chance, or preordained in advance.

Either way, make the best of it.

quote:Originally posted by mister pointyhat:

ok AM im glad you have such faith, The book of job is a masterpeice,its my favourite in fact.But my point was that when i see such things in nature were even the least of gods bretheren suffers in such pain, it makes me question the rightousness of the god i was brought up to beleve in.I suffer if i see suffering.

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it appears that what you are brought upto believe is in conflict with the news things that you picked up...you're thinking in the lines of righteousness of god in this world, pain or suffering, life/death, happiness/sadness. If you look at the patterns, you cant have one thing without experiencing its exact opposite. Would you know glory without the concept of humiliation?

I dont think of such things as whether sufferring and death is righteous, i think it more of necessity that life comes to an end for things to advance. It is just a natural outcome of things whether it was clearly thought of or not by an indivisible source.

Like I said, we can spend all our time asking the deepest of question and we would all end up in the same place, best to enjoy and to live as best and as good as possible. When our end comes, we will have no regrets, if there is judgement,we wil have nothing to be ashamed of, if there is an afterlife or a greater life, then we can proceed to it without saddles if lived as best and as good as we can...

quote:Originally posted by ArmsMerchant:

Interesting you should use that as an example. When naturalists first discovered that in the nineteenth century, they were appalled that god could creat such a seemingly sadistic means of reproduction.

Thing is, all life comes from death. That is the way it is, that is the way it has to be. Otherwise, the world would fill up with biomatter. Get used to it, or continue to suffer needlessly.

Granted, the god as protrayed in the old testament is a sadistic, arbitrary, petty motherfucker. (For one of the more obvious examples, see the book of job.)

My god is all about love and creativity. He does not judge or punish. He is not some fucking celestial Santa Claus, making a list of who is naughty and who is nice. There is no hell, that is a cruel myth.

And my god has no preference regarding your behavior, so long as it conforms with your highest (no drug pun intended) and grandest conception of yourself. Our job is to be self-creating, and to learn to transcend fear and manifest unconditional love.

good answer!!

i was brought up within catholicism wich I have always regected even at such a young age Through my own instinkts that the papacy was a lot of shite,I mean no offence to you but you have still not answered my original question other than saying god is love, the fact is all living things suffer you seem to close your mind to this fact and ignore it rather than face it,If you beleive there is a god that created all living things then is this god not an ignoramous.

The basis of the original post on this subject was that we could debate the content of gods character(asuming god is a consious being) and judge him,but i dont think anyone picked up on it.mabie i should have started it im mad scientists

quote:did god create a mechanism were an insect can only reproduse itself by paralising another insect and injecting its own offspring larvy inside its body to feed until they grow

You automatically assume he personally created the mechanism, or even that insect.

Even the Catholic Church has accepted(or is trying to) the possibility of the theory of Evolution and the Big Bang.

Secondly', I fail to see the horror in that. We kill animals for food everyday, whats the difference?

quote:Originally posted by Rust:

You automatically assume he personally created the mechanism, or even that insect.

Even the Catholic Church has accepted(or is trying to) the possibility of the theory of Evolution and the Big Bang.

Secondly', I fail to see the horror in that. We kill animals for food everyday, whats the difference?

i did not assume anything rust, and i have not even reveiled wether i beleive that there is a god or not.

quote:Originally posted by mister pointyhat:

The basis of the original post on this subject was that we could debate the content of gods character(asuming god is a consious being) and judge him,but i dont think anyone picked up on it.mabie i should have started it im mad scientists

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sori but its dat ur asking a question that is really non-debatable and has no fore seeable answer in the sense that it is all beyond our knowledge so the question can only go so far...for all we know god could have a mind of a 6 year old kid playing in a bath tub, and guess what, were the toys...you can be as speculative as you want and you'd never hear the end of it...just take a look at what each person has to say and wonder at the diversity of answers you will accumulate...

quote:Originally posted by Tabiba:

What religious mumbo jumbo. So are you saying that the poor buggers on earth who suffer are just ignorant of god? and that if they saw the divine light, they would suddenly shed their pains and fears? What kind of a secluded, pain free, sheltered existence do you live in anyways? No, it doesnt always work out, the good guy doesnt save the day, the most pious does not get spared and prayers get ignored.



You misunderstand.

smile.

no, go ahead just try it. Smile, I won't look.

silly, ain't it.

Sure, we live in a crazy world with crazy people doing crazy things and drinking crazy cola. With such craziness, a few are bound to get stepped on, some will be lost, some will give in, but in the end....I mean the end the end, none of it matters

Learn to laugh at yourself, learn to think of yourself as we, as a part of a great flow of conciousness. When you figure things like this out you'll get to see that when you hurt, you were only hurting yourself, when you love you were only loving yourself, and when you were afraid you were only laughing at yourself.

Life, like all things, feelings, and events, must pass.

Yeah, god hates every one of us. The entire system of existence is a mind-blowingly intricate formula that lets us feel or become aware of calulated amounts of pleasure, only to have said pleasure be systematically taken away and denied from us. No matter your position in life, whether rich, poor, man, woman, you will never be content. God's slick like that, and remember, he hates you, and he's watching you. Be afraid

God is not the sadistic asshole everyone perveiced him to be earlier in our history. He is a god of love. I personally think that he only minimally influences our lives for the most part, afterall, we have free will and stuff.

Dont be afraid of something that doesnt exist

God is a 12 year old boy that's bored as hell and has been put in charge, by the elite gods of the universe, of the 3rd planet from the sun. He's a newb God, that's why life sucks all the time.

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