If Jesus died for our sins, then why can't we sin?

just sin, who cares...

dumb ass

Well this is how it works. Adam and Eve were the original sinners and caused made all of humanity impossible to get into heaven because they ate the fruit. So when Jesus died for our sin/sins, he opened the gates of heaven and then people were aloud to go into heaven. But we still have the freewill to sin and such.

quote:Originally posted by Hammer&Sickle:

But we still have the freewill to sin and such.

But Jesus has already died for our sins, right? That surely means that whatever sins we commit have already been forgiven.

Clearly, we also have to freedom to bullshit.

Hehe true, and many people also have the freedom to be gullible.

Well our sins aren't automatically forgiven if you truly are sorry for your sins then you are forgiven but otherwise your not.

My mate's a Xian and he does just about everything a xian isn't supposed to do. When I quiz him about it he just says 'Oh it's ok I'll ask for forgiveness just before i die'.

He is an insult to his god yet he finds the energy to be offended when a Hare Krishna offers him a booklet.

But, he's a mate.

quote:Originally posted by Beany:

If Jesus died for our sins, then why can't we sin?



Who says we can't?

quote:Originally posted by Snoopy:

Clearly, we also have to freedom to bullshit.



snoopy make a joke! heh heh http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif)

quote:Originally posted by Kikey_Kikeowitz:



Who says we can't?

Hold it! You are a Jew! You guys crucified Jesus!

Jesus didn't die for anyone's sin. Thats only a Christian belief because they are too afraid to take responsibility for their own lives. Jesus did not come on this planet to die. He came to Live. Man can sin, and does sin because man was given free will. Therefore, man uses his free will to sin if he so desires.

Jesus took on a portion of the Earth's planetary karma...in other words, Jesus helped mankind with their karma by taking on a portion and transforming it, thereby making it man's life easier. All the Great Avatars did this.

quote:Originally posted by Silver Lights:

Jesus didn't die for anyone's sin. Thats only a Christian belief because they are too afraid to take responsibility for their own lives. Jesus did not come on this planet to die. He came to Live. Man can sin, and does sin because man was given free will. Therefore, man uses his free will to sin if he so desires.

Jesus took on a portion of the Earth's planetary karma...in other words, Jesus helped mankind with their karma by taking on a portion and transforming it, thereby making it man's life easier. All the Great Avatars did this.



What in the name of Mary fucking Magdalene are you talking about?

Jesus died for our sins in our stead. What Christians believe is that we are unable to avoid sin and under the system given by God to Moses, the price for sin is blood. We believe that we are fully reconciled to God for our past, present, and future sins. So accually it is backwards, that is, we can sin and it is already paid for.

Eve, in her impurity, submitted to Satan's temptations and devoured the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil - Eritis sicut Deus, scientes bonum et malum. This deemed man impure at birth.

Mary, in her purity, submitted to Yahweh's prophecies and gave birth to who would eventually become the Messiah. This redeemed man of his initial impurity.

We are both evil and holy. We can sin or purify. We begin by understanding we can do both. We conclude by undertaking what is necessary.

quote:Originally posted by Beany:

If Jesus died for our sins, then why can't we sin?

Actually, in an interesting twist of historical irony, this sort of thinking was once very common. There's some archeological evidence that, after the Apostle Paul went around spreading the word - and abrogating the Torah - many groups of newly-converted Christians came to this very conclusion. Lots of orgies, heavy drinking, and other such tomfoolery, until the heirarchy of the emerging church grew stronger and put the holy hurt on them.

Alot of so called "Christians", will feed you total bullshit. Most Christians really aren't Christian.... I mean, they often look down upon other religions, calling them satanic and stuff. Sure, I think they won't lead you to heaven, but Buddhism and Taoism are full of Love (and if most Christians read the Bible, they would have read in the First Letter of John that "God is Love"). I also do alot of Rastafari on the side (Rastafari is an offshoot of Christianity that believes weed can get you in touch with God, which makes sense.....although I think other drugs such as crack are bad ideas). Look, Adam and Eve in my opinion has to do with the process of ego creation. Believe me man, most churches won't help you get closer to God. Actually, the Matrix (which is FULL of Zen and Christianity, and yes, I study Zen) would probably help you more than going to church if you studied the movie well enough. Well I gotta go, I'm out.

The irony is: knowing your sins are paid for through the blood of Christ, how do you choose to live?

quote:Originally posted by Silver Lights:

Jesus took on a portion of the Earth's planetary karma...in other words, Jesus helped mankind with their karma by taking on a portion and transforming it, thereby making it man's life easier. All the Great Avatars did this.

Yeah I've heard about Yogi's doing this for certain disciples.

How can Xians misunderstand so damn much?

i hate mythology it's 4th grade stupid. all of this stuff is just a way to be, you shouldn't actually listen to any of it you should just take what suits you, don't lie to yourself, and don't do what you hate.

quote:Originally posted by Beany:

If Jesus died for our sins, then why can't we sin?

You can't not sin. It's not about sinning, but about believing. All sins go back to not believing. In other words, the actions you take are a result of your beliefs. If your belief is that some things are good, and some things are bad, then your actions are sins. If your belief is that the only good is the belief nothing else is good or bad in itself, then you will not sin. Of course, you won't be able to believe this all the time, because you are not God, and so you will still sin. But you know you are headed in the right direction.

quote:Originally posted by Hammer&Sickle:

Well this is how it works. Adam and Eve were the original sinners and caused made all of humanity impossible to get into heaven because they ate the fruit. So when Jesus died for our sin/sins, he opened the gates of heaven and then people were aloud to go into heaven. But we still have the freewill to sin and such.

Does this mean that everyone before Jesus and after Adam and Eve is burning in hell? What about Abraham? Wasn't he supposed to be a "good and righteous man?" What about Job? God took everything from him and then killed him to prove a point to one of the counsel of heaven. I think he at least deserves something.

quote:Originally posted by Real_Illusion:

Alot of so called "Christians", will feed you total bullshit. Most Christians really aren't Christian.... I mean, they often look down upon other religions, calling them satanic and stuff. Sure, I think they won't lead you to heaven, but Buddhism and Taoism are full of Love (and if most Christians read the Bible, they would have read in the First Letter of John that "God is Love").

Only someone who turns such a blind eye to the ferocity and savagery of Nature would suggest that Love is the ultimate virtue and our most natural inclination.

quote: I also do alot of Rastafari on the side (Rastafari is an offshoot of Christianity that believes weed can get you in touch with God, which makes sense.....although I think other drugs such as crack are bad ideas).

You missed the "God is African, Jesus is African" statutes, which I would think is more important than the weed thing. And the double standard with drugs is very clever... apt for someone who thinks the Tao Te Ching is worth following.

quote:Look, Adam and Eve in my opinion has to do with the process of ego creation. Believe me man, most churches won't help you get closer to God. Actually, the Matrix (which is FULL of Zen and Christianity, and yes, I study Zen) would probably help you more than going to church if you studied the movie well enough. Well I gotta go, I'm out.

All the Taoism and Christianity in The Matrix helped a lot of people out. Like Lee Boyd Malvo, the kid sniper. Or Matthew Lovett and his two friends, who were about to murder everyone in sight and kill themselves dressed as characters in The Matrix a few days ago. Or Josh Cooke, the 19 year old who shot his parents in the basement of his home because he thought he was in the Matrix. Or Vadim Mieseges, who killed his landlady because he felt he was being "sucked in the Matrix." Or Tonda Lynn Ansley, who shot the owner of her rented house because The Matrix and such pseudo-philosophical thinking distorted her judgment and perception of reality. Source: The Monday, May 19, 2003 issue of the Guardian, www.guardian.co.uk (http://www.guardian.co.uk)

In other words, if you're looking towards Hollywood for spiritual enlightenment, maybe you should take another look at that church schedule.

quote:Originally posted by ilbastardoh:

i hate mythology it's 4th grade stupid. all of this stuff is just a way to be, you shouldn't actually listen to any of it...

Like "Thou shalt not kill/steal/bear false witness"?

Face it. Mythology and religion is a part of our culture, which is an appendage of our genetics. It is therefore not only crucial for psychic stability, but it is also an inseperable part of our physiological and psychological being. If you are not of Jewish or Middle-Eastern descent, don't follow a Judeo-Muslo-Christian religion. If you are not Japanese, don't follow Shintoism. If you are not Tibetan, do not follow Buddhism. If you are not European, do not follow Paganism.

That's all.

By the way, interesting insight, BKC. But truth is still not relative.

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quote:Originally posted by Kikey_Kikeowitz:



What in the name of Mary fucking Magdalene are you talking about?



How dare you desecrate the Magdalena's name? Stupid jew boy.

i think god or whoever must have been on some wacky shit when they came up with that thing about jesus dying for sins n stuff...

so sin away! we dont want to make a martyr of him!!!!

quote:Originally posted by Silver Lights:



How dare you desecrate the Magdalena's name? Stupid jew boy.



You mean the whore?

Oh, I dare.

quote:Originally posted by lady_dw:

Does this mean that everyone before Jesus and after Adam and Eve is burning in hell?

Dante reckons Jesus came down and picked them up, then took them 'home.'

That's where religion belongs - in literature.