Here is how I think the bible was really created.

A group of a few men were bored one day so they went to have a drink. Unfortunately, they had too much to drink so they started to haluscinate (or however you spell that)because the person that gave them the drinks slipped in some kind of drug. They saw this white glowy person and that person was floating. They thought that they had to make something to remember this person.

So these drunk guys got together with ink and a few blank scrolls and wrote stories. In the end, they called it the bible.

In conclusion, the bible is nothing more then a bunch of words put together by a bunch of drunks that were drugged. It is nothing more, nothing less

Partly true, but grossly misunderstood (mainly by xtians).

God exists, but not in the sense that the bible portrays.

Jesus existed and was a fully developed soul.

Many of the magical stories in the bible could very well have been true, but were only magical in the sense that they haven't been scientifically explained yet.

Plus there's a lot of bullshit in it, but I haven't even read it so what the fuck do I know?

The bible is like a thin sliver of the bigger picture, the truth. And no, it's not like some drunks just wrote it... many people wrote it, but who knows who it was? I was reading some book in the bookstore the other day that the people who wrote the bible never met Jesus or the apostles, and wrote it long after it happened.... that the governments back then destroyed religious scriptures that wouldn't help them to control the people... not sure.

But you can't just act like christians own the word "God"... they didn't create God, they just don't understand God at all and pretend they understand it more than some people... and they really just don't.

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The bible is almost meaningless just read like that.

But when you realize that it is written in a language whose every letter is a pool of energy, and that no combination of those letters is meaningless, then you may wanna read it in the original Hebrew and fill up your ears with that holy mantra of mantras.

Some people repeated it so many times they know it by heart just as others know shorter mantras, including the traditional cantilation.

It is a living organism, with many levels of insight.

PaRDeS simple, allusive, allegoric, secret.

+ variations in letters' size, added letters, ellipse of letters, cantilations which brings an extra key to the text, etc...

Now of course, there are these kabalists of western tradition to imply the bible is meaningless besides a few historical details, and that the hebrew language was stolen from Egypt, together with the kabbalah.

In other words, you can be a self-called "kabalist" and an antisemite at tyhe same time, (mis-)using Hebrew yet Jew-bashing.

Just like there are people to use the "ancient testament" as a mere basis for their own theology yet Jew-bashing.

The bible is so little known because it has been hidden behind the forest of christian misuse and misunderstanding.

Same for the kabalah, it has been disallocated and reallocated, its correspondences inverted and corrupted.

Well it had to be so, for some reason.

But there are always these newbies teaching you lessons as if they had it all, when they barely started to understand their own western digest, fast-food version of what was once called Kabbalah.

Kind of what is happening to magic with the Harry Potter phenomenon: so many youths hanging around with symbols they don't have a clue of what hides deep inside. People talking kabali kabalo kabolah kabbolack, with no clue, and giving lessons.

That's about what the bible is vs. what people were told to think about it.

I'm pretty much with Beany on this one. As Mark Twain put it, the Bible contains "some noble poetry, a wealth of obscenity, and upwards of a thousand lies."

If you are at all interested in getting to the bottom of a lot of Biblical stuff, I strongly recommend you read The Urantia Book.

To me, the bible is nothing more than a story that is meant to provide guidlines for succesful living, for instance it promotes virtues and other lessons and morals. It is in my opinion that it was only meant to be of suggestion and not of "celestial law."

Poorly worded,

--cashual21

The bible is nothing more than a collection of stories. It is also what amounts to the history of civilization.

The bible is the "magick of God" so to speak.

Why do you think even the most obscure antisemitic magician still needs Hebrew and biblical originated definitions like the sephiroth etc... if not that there is something more into it than just stories and patriarcal brainwash?

Again: the bible is the wave, it's not the wave that counts to the surfer but how you catch it.

Of course it is hidden behind tons of christian misconceptions. But don't throw the baby with the bath waters.

The bible is just a collection a rules and ideals that uses peoples fears and hopes to scare them into uniting under one thing. If the majority of the people in a nation are Christians then the leader of the church manipulates the people to vote for someone or try to ban certain things (pornography contraceptives etc.)It was just a way to control nations by controlling the people.

Ever see the Monty Python movie "Life of Brian"? Thats my views on what i think happened with jesus.(if you haven't seen it, go rent it). I personally believe that the bible was a bunch of moral-crap that was created along the way (most likely all exagerated for story telling purposes) as a guideline for life, for the followers. But hey, if im wrong, ill probably be the guy who has to wipe hitlers ass after getting that pineapple lodged up it. http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif)

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The bible is just like fishing stories each year the fish gets bigger and better until the only truth that is still true is you caught a fish. Just think about it!!! 2000 years of getting bigger and better and now you have some guy that can walk on water, heal leppers and rise from the dead

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It might be easier to understand everything if you listening to what people who wrote the bible were trying to say not what the said.

It also might be easier if it wasn't translated and retranslated and edited and interpreted and reinterpreted and all the jibber-jabber with the jibber-jabberin'.

I PITY THE FOOL WHO DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT

Maybe you should take some mescaline and go get lost in the desert.

ride the snake

who seriously takes seriousness seriously?

the bible ( and other related religious texts ) are great thing's god is a great thing its only bad when you pretend to understand or comprehend even half of it...it provides the basic guidelines but if you think you know exactly what it means...you have only proven that you missed the point entirely...



With Love,

Guardian RabidWolf

the way i look at it...the bible was written by the very same people who "knew" the earth was flat. forgive me if i find myself unable to trust their logic...

You never understand fully "the teachings of Don Juan" by Carlos Castaneda either, yet you share your enthusiasm if you ever crossed that book.

Same with any inspired text, each according to their level of inspiration.

Now because the above-mentioned book talks about drug-induced psychic phenomena, it is more popular. Yet it tells you as well what you never want to do if you want to stay alive. But it's cool, hey it's not "morals".

What if some later pupil of a pupil of Castaneda came up and said: "I came to realize the techings" and taught against the spirit and the letter? That won't mean "the teachings of Don Juan" were wrong, would it?

Same story 2000 years B4.

To anyone interested in mankind's salvation;

I left the Catholic Church at age 15 because something inside didn't seem right.

At age 44, I finally realized exactly what it is:



The Fundamental Flaw & Mankind's Downward Spiral:

Everyone is so hell-bent on "obeying God" we forgot what it was we were supposed to

obey.

When God WARNED Adam and Eve to not "eat... knowledge of 'good' and 'evil" he warned

US not to try to define "good" and "evil" else our spirits would die.

Has the Roman Catholic Church (King James and others...) blinded everyone from the

FUNDAMENTAL TRUTH that nobody can see it? They twisted the real meaning of "original sin"

from "judgement" to "obedience". This is why Jesus was so upset with the organized religions

and government. They intentionally robbed the people of knowledge and empowerment.

Didn't Jesus words "Father, forgive them..." give us an EXAMPLE to free us from "original

sin"?

There is no mystical magic to this (as the Roman Catholic Church teaches us). It's hard,

cold reality: If we continue to judge ourselves, it is US who condemn ourselves to eternity

of "eternal damnation".

Of course, most rational people will say "judgement" is necessary. We must distinguish 'good'

from 'evil' to ensure salvation of our souls."

But the words "good" and "evil" often create walls of fear between groups of people.

YES, an individual must make DECISIONS. The fundamental objective behind most decisions is

wether to act out of LOVE or FEAR. (eg. try to understand your enemies or fight them...)

But to pass "judgement" on yourself or others is to place BLAME and cause GUILT. This does

nothing to resolve the conflict and often excalates the conflict, putting mankind deeper into our

downward spiral.

This is why God warned us about the "knowledge of good and evil". This is also WHY Jesus said

"Father, forgive them..." as an EXAMPLE for us to follow. Doesn't anyone (besides me) see how

Jesus's example saves us from "original sin"? This is no mystery. It's blatantly obvious when you

know the TRUTH.

Jesus saves us from Original Sin (aka. JUDGEMENT) by giving us an example of forgiveness

(aka. non-judgement or forgiveness).

Unless we willingly practice non-judgement (or forgiveness - in the past tense), mankind's

downward spiral won't stop until we hit rock bottom.

Sept 11, 2001 was an "awakening" point for a majority of the world's population. We realized that

fear is not the answer... We need to understand why we don't understand each other.

More details and basic understanding can be found at: http://www.stanp2.50megs.com

If you "get IT" please let me know. It's frightening that our leaders don't know the basis of

Christianity. I hope I'm wrong but I'm afraid I'm not.

If you don't "get IT" I'll be glad to continue trying to explain "IT". In fact, it's my DUTY to spread

the Good News, regardless of how much resistance I face. Isn't that what Jesus's example

showed us?

I realize that different belief systems will require different explainations or "key" words to release

the truth that will set them free from judgement. So I will certainly have to re-write this in many

different ways. That's why I ask your help in spreading the Good News: It is WE who are

condemning ourselves. We can stop this downward spiral by practicing non-

condemnation by not judging others (or ourselves). We must still continue to make good

decisions, however...

Best Wishes,

Stanley S. Plock

For those of you who don't have the time (or motivation) to visit my web site, here's a brief summary:

The Ultimate Quest:

This is a short story (some chapters are one page in length) about my search for "a logical explaination for

all this" back in April 1985. A close friend had her imagination captured by a Christian cult that used fear to

keep people from leaving the church.

I was desperate to understand and after much stress (prolonged concentration) a little marijuana ans some

amphetamine, I got what I prayed for. The altered state of higher awareness lasted several weeks. I can't say

I had any experiences with spiritual beings (perhaps my understanding and teaching is destined to remain in

the physical realm).

My consciousness seemed expanded to deep within my sub-consciousness. I was acutely aware of how past

experiences had led to my destiny.

Things like my Mother's death just 3 days before Christmas caused me to ask serious questions about the

Roman Catholic teachings I was brought up with. My step-mother's cruelty taught me to respect other

people's feelings. I remembered my vision of being able to translate complicated thoughts into simple terms

that everone could understand. It seemed that everything in my life had led me to this destiny.

Both during and after the experience, I felt I had the weight of the world on my shoulders. Was I the

"chosen one"? Was it my destiny to explain to the world how our fears are holding us captive in "hell"?

I wrote a letter to the local newspaper proclaiming that "This is Judgement Day and we have all been judged

as perfectly logical computers. Each doing exactly as we were programmed to do." Actually it has been

Judgement Day all along. But it was US (Ye are gods.) that have condemned ourselves to eternal

damnation.

Though I wasn't able to save the world, at least I had an understanding of the cause of my "clinical

depression" (perhaps along with a genetic flaw). It was as if I had psychoanalyzed my own depression and

found the cause to practically everybody else's suffering as well. But who would take me seriously...?

Trying to explain this was even more stress than just living in ignorance and denial. So, after about a year, I

slipped back into denial, waiting for someone else to explain this. Maybe Jesus would come soon and save

me the trouble...

I was about 25 years old when my first "enlightening experience" occured.

_____________________________

Many years passed... After the Loma Prieta Quake, I needed to take anti-depressants/anxiety medication.

To my surprise, my daily marijuana and tobacco use fell by the wayside. So did my alcohol consumption. My

brain chemistry was balanced so that I no longer craved these things. Life was good. For a while...

Then... my sister-in-law came to visit, got married and pregnant. But our wonderful and self-proclaimed

"wise" government cancelled my sister-in-law's visa because she married an American. (Yes, "because" she

married!) So began 3 years of extreme stress. Much like the frustration when my friend was abducted by the

cult many years before. After about 3 years, I was near a nervous breakdown. Sending angry emails to the

immigration officers involved helped me to relieve some stress and hang on to my sanity a little longer. But

didn't do any good. Neither did letters to congressmen or a news interview done by my friend who married

my sister-in-law do any good. It was hopeless unless we could afford to pay a lawyer $10,000. Capitolism at

it's worst...

About the time I was starting to really hate our government for breaking up my friend's family, another

frustrated group attacked the World Trade Center.

_______________________________

The Second Coming:

The WTC attack was a major factor in creating my second "enlightening experience" which I refer to as

"The Second Coming" at least in my own life.

Interestingly, just a few days before the experience occured, I was out on the patio and looked up at the

clouds. I clearly saw a formation in the clouds that unmistakenly was Jesus on the Cross. I didn't think too

much of this vision until several weeks after the experience had ended.

In May, I had been laid off and had plenty of time to consider how we got into this situation where we were

being attacked in the name of religion. It was apparent that these people were upset with our government (as

I was). I could easily imagine that if our beurocracy could botch up a family, and create so much frustration,

there's no telling what we did to piss of the WTC attackers. I was sure there was an untold story to their

frustration.

Then there was George W. Bush and Osama Bin Laden each calling each other "evil" and for good reasons.

But labeling each other didn't explain WHY they were so angry with each other. And the President nor the

media seemed willing to shed any light on the situation. It was enough justification for them to only consider

the most recent attacks on each other. The events leading to these attacks was virtually ignored.

This seemed similar to the way they ignored my friend's family the right to be together during and after

pregnancy. Just like the lawyers, I assumed that there must be some pay-off for our government to act.

"Here we go again" I thought... "Another plot to capitolize using the media to cover up the suffering

inflicted by our government."

Again, I was pressured to search for a logical explaination for all this. There seem to be many coincidences

that led to this second experience, as was the case with the first experience. One major factor was that I was

just about to harvest my very first batch of closet grown marijuana.

I had smoked pot daily for 20 years and never found anything spiritual about it. (Although marijuana did

increase higher awareness to some degree and was responsible for much of the peace movement of the 60's

and 70's.) It also seemed to decrease materialism and greed simply because it helped people feel happy

without excessive material posessions.

Anyway... Since smoking pot caused anxiety symptoms (Since the earthquake), I started making herbal tea

and eating fresh raw buds (chewing them as long as possible). Just as the week of 9-11-2002 approached, I

was getting into a very heightened state of awareness (Much like the first experience). It may be that by

chewing the fresh buds, I absorbed more active chemicals into my pituitary, pinneal gland and thalamus.

These glands are associated with psychic experiences and higher awareness.

As a result of the global circumstances at the time, I became acutely aware that "The Forbidden Fruit", aka

the (self proclaimed) "knowledge of good and evil" that God warned Adam and Eve (actually mankind - in a

parable sense) was to NOT JUDGE.

No wonder the world is in such a mess! King James and the Roman Catholic Church had robbed us of our

empowerment. Or perhaps our having to learn our lessons the hard way was part of "the plan". Or maybe it

was just how things worked as energy that had been seperated into individual entities tried to reunite. Maybe

life was a school house of lessons that we just had to learn the hard way.

I'm getting tired of writing and you're probably tired of reading. So if you want more details, please visit my

website at http://www.stanp2.50megs.com.

I suppose the bottom line is: You can't soar like an eagle when you're surrounded by turkeys. Unless you can

convince the turkeys that they really are eagles and can fly. We believe we're held captive (like turkeys). But

it is only our fear that keeps us grounded.

You'll be amazed at where we're headed when we live in love instead of fear... You'll see...

Best Wishes,

Stan

Stan.

Thank you Stan.

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quote:Originally posted by MysticTear:

In conclusion, the bible is nothing more then a bunch of words put together by a bunch of drunks that were drugged. It is nothing more, nothing less

I hope you're just trying to be funny. Please. Please tell me that you're trying to be funny.