i know some one who is a satanist or whatever but what they belive has nothing to do with the devil and evil and all that so im trying to argue that it isnt satanism. but she says it is and directs me to this site.. http://www.churchofsatan.com

but this does not seem right to me.. can anyone make comment. and prove that saitanism is devil worshiping etc and thats not what that site is depicting

Anton LeVey's satanism isn't devil worship, in my opinion.

As far as I know, it's just embracing the evil side.

Personally, they sound a lot like Catholics.

most satanism is just going against religious bullshit, with the idea that all humans are equal, but some are more so. it's more anti-god than pro-devil

If by that you mean many satanists are shamelessly arrogant, cheerfully fascist, and posessing of a political platform aimed at "keeping the herd in line," then yes, that is pretty accurate.

yeah exactly anton la vey's satanism is basically just anti god... but surely this is not true satanism?

i mean say there is heaven and hell this religion isnt satanism but makes it seem more acceptable for intelegent moraal people to call them selves satanists... anyways ultimatley it makes people reject god and thats what satan would want so thats what it all seems about to me anyways....

god doesn't exist, so long live satanism

quote:Originally posted by d4v3:

god doesn't exist, so long live satanism



And yet, somehow, you have a problem with other religions?

if god dont exist.. then what the hell makes u thing satan exists?:P

PLEKTRUM!

While The Church of Satan's Satanism, has nothing to do with worship of the Devil/Satan/Lucifer, it is still, per definition Satanism, as the Church's beliefs are called Satanism, by by the founder Anton LaVey, and by the Church and its followers.

Your friend is thus correct in saying that it is Satanism, as that happens to be the name of it.

What is it then?!

Kikey, you suggest:

quote:Originally posted by Kikey_Kikeowitz:

Anton LeVey's satanism isn't devil worship...

Wich is correct, bu then you go on to say:

quote:As far as I know, it's just embracing the evil side.

Wich is very far from the truth, at least as far as the Church of Satan's "teachings" goes:

The beliefs, practices and rituals of the Church of Satan have few, if any, points of similarity with the Christian concept of Satan.

The CoS' concept of Satan is pre Christian, and derived from the Pagan image of power, virility, sexuality and sensuality.

Satan is viewed as a force of nature, not a living quasi-deity. Their Satan has nothing to do with Hell, demons, pitchforks, sadistic torture, demonic possession, and profound evil.

Its followers have occasionally engaged in a Black Mass for publicity purposes, in which the Roman Catholic Mass is ridiculed. But, otherwise, their rituals have no connection to those of Christianity.

Some of their beliefs and practices are:

They do not worship a living deity.

Major emphasis is placed on the power and authority of the individual Satanist, rather than on a god or goddess.

They believe that "no redeemer liveth" - that each person is their own redeemer, fully responsible for the direction of their own life.

Satanism respects and exalts life.

Children and animals are the purest expressions of that life force, and as such are held sacred and precious.

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But when practiced by the individual Satanists, it often comes out as Armed says:

quote:Originally posted by Armed&Angry:

many satanists are shamelessly arrogant, cheerfully fascist, and posessing of a political platform aimed at "keeping the herd in line,"

...because it is far too easy to interpret these two points:

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Major emphasis is placed on the power and authority of the individual Satanist, rather than on a god or goddess.

They believe that "no redeemer liveth" - that each person is their own redeemer, fully responsible for the direction of their own life.

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...and what is connected to them, in an, essentially arrogant and quasi-Fascist way.

There is also a sound way to practice such beliefs (if that is the right name for it), namely Existentialism, and similar philosophies.

So, instead of reading La Vey, I suggest works of Milton, Nietzsche, Mencken, Maugham, Twain, Rand, Jung, and many more.

FoxLeonard

but if its not about worshiping satan... in the christian sense why does the satanic bible say things like "i worship thee satan king of hell"

quote:Originally posted by PLEKTRUM:

but if its not about worshiping satan... in the christian sense why does the satanic bible say things like "i worship thee satan king of hell"

Because Anton LaVey has an odd sense of humour.

You could probably get away with calling it a metaphor, too.

Hell I smile looking at the parody he produced http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif).

no its actuallt in the serious bits.. the keys bits n that.. take a look http://www.totse.com/bbs/tongue.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/tongue.gif)

kikey...I am catholic...In what way does it sound like catholics, and spare me the stereotypical bullshit.

As for this satanism thing...It isn't satanism based on the original definition. The guy just redefined it. his religion is for people who wish not to contribute to society and only wish for there better of their lives. Which just gives in to that side of human nature, unlike other religions which give in to the side of species nature, which is to survive as a species.

If you have read our books, you know that Satanism isn't about taking drugs, and it isn't about harming animals or children. Unlike many religions and philosophies, Satanism respects and exalts life. Children and animals are the purest expressions of that life force, and as such are held sacred and precious in the eyes of the Satanist. Besides, it is very un-Satanic to take any creature's life against its will. It is equally un-Satanic to cloud your brain and impair your judgment with mind-altering substances. A real magician has no need of those kind of things, as he should be able to bring about changes in consciousness by the very power of his Will and imagination.

If you have not read The Satanic Bible, you should do so. It has a lot more information on our attitude toward Satan, and will give you a clearer idea of our philosophy, ideals and goals. Perhaps at first they will be difficult for you to understand, because you may have been raised in an environment that dictates that God=Good and Satan=Evil. The truth is that good and evil are often terms that people twist to suit their own purposes. Sometimes people will lie and try to make you think certain things just so you will do what they want you to do. Always remember that the final judgment is yours. That is both a great freedom and a great responsibility. For us, Satan is a symbol of the power of that choice.

There is no one way that a Satanist is "supposed" to be. Uniqueness and creativity are encouraged here, not mindless conformity. It doesn't matter what kind of music you like to listen to; it doesn't make any difference whether you prefer gothic music, black metal music, classical music, old popular tunes, or show tunes. It doesn't matter what style of clothes you like to wear. What does matter is that you are a mature, sensitive, self-aware individualist who revels in the Darkness, and who wishes to align yourself with others who share your views. In this world of prefabricated, media-saturated, unoriginal drones, it is up to the Satanist to cherish, maintain, and preserve true individuality and creativity. Satan represents freedom from hypocrisy, from convenient lies, and challenges that which is presumed to be true. He is strong and defiant, and inspires us to our own strengths.

devil worshippers tend to be little brats who try to cause as much mayhem as is physically possible.

Satan is a fallen angel, fallen because he stood for his opinion that all were equal and a few other things. He was given the job of tending the underworld as a punishment.

The above is antagonistic toward standard christian/jewish/muslim values and beliefs and thus, what satanists believe.

Ok just a little background information here on me before I post my first post ever. I am a Satanist to an extent and what is generally thought of as Satanism is not at all truth. Enough of that...on to truth.

Satanism per definition is not a bunch of teenage angst ridden kitten killers that worship satan on an alter of goats blood. That is however the common misconception of it.

True satanists are just knowledge eaters and non conformist who think on the left hand path and consider themselves to be god (in otherwords in control of their own lives and destinies). The religion itself was named such just to provoke thought. Most satanists would never ask anyone to join or haggle anyone else. This is our treasure chest and we are fucking greedy with it.

In fact most satanists are secretive about who they are, what they do, and how they do it. Now there is more than the church of satan. We have SET, The temple of lucifer, first church of satan, etc. Beliefs vary as well as what they worship if at all. Research on this topic is not hard at all to do. I come from the LeVay side of things, in other words I use shit to my advantage. I am the one who will wait for my moment to strike like a serpent, I use my hate in ritual to cleanse myself of ignorance and otehr such pitiful emotions to further better myself. Anyways if you curse someone and they do not happen to have an accident, fuck it, You had fun anyways just thinking about horrible things that could/might happen.

Satanism is more about self exploration and xtian deprogramming than anything, it is about sarcasm and gaining everything in your favour. Basically take what you want bt beware of the consequences thereof.

So the next kid who is floating around your house at 2 in the morn saying satan will you take this kitten as a worthy sacrifice is full of shit. But I bet the horny old man with all the guns and porno mags with the phat bank account is rolling in his hooves thinking about where he got because of his personal $atan just be being a knowledge seking non conformist team player that likes to verbally bash religion in a setting that is not harmful to discuss this and that.

$atan is about life, about indulgence, $atan is not about fucking your sister or killing a kitten. If you want that go to bible school. You can find a bunch of goat worshippers there.

*claps for the Maestro*

plus.. as stated.. if you read some of LaVey's books, you'd see where he says.. Do what you wish.. but BE AWARE OF THE CONSEQUENCES.

basically.. yeah.. you are in control of your own life, your own destiny.. is there a god? who fucking cares! is there a SATAN? who fucking cares! you are your own god, and you chose to live how you do.. every day you make choices, and you have to decide how to live your lives according to YOUR beliefs, thoughts, surroundings...

BUT.. you need to be aware of the consequences BEFORE you take an action.. AND be prepared to FACE those consequences when they arrive.

He doesn't say to go out killing animals or kids (of which he loved both, btw)... he doesn't say PRAY TO SATAN because he is your LORD AND MASTER! he basically states you are your own god, live as such.. live for yourself.. don't be in the fuckin rat race, scrounging around for an elusive moldy piece of cheese because it's expected.. BE YOU, have your own spirituality.. *shrugs*

I BELIEVE though I am not certain.. that somewhere I read an interview with LaVey where he actually said.. he called it Satanism not because they WORSHIPPED Satan. but because of his odd humor.. it pissed ppl off.. it angered them, scared them. And had I been in his shoes, I too woul dhave done it and sat back laughing until I died at the world's opulent stupidity.

yeah.. so they believe in fending for themselves.. I don't blame them. You don't take care of yourself, rarely anyone else will. And who else int he world is going to go get you the shit you want? You have something you want, go get it.

Satanism def is NOT for the lazy or conformed.. and just because you read it or hear about it doesn't mean those 'truths' are actually truths.

Are there religious groupd who worship 'the devil"? yeah.. I believe they are part of a group called Luciferians/luciferans..

So take the time to research something if you're so damn interested. Not all things are as the mass media would have you believe.

Cub and him are both right. If you want to linch and kill just join the kkk, or the Us army.

quote:Originally posted by Nema:

Cub and him are both right. If you want to linch and kill just join the kkk, or the Us army.

There's not too many lynchings in the US Army.

Hell, there aren't many in the KKK nowadays, either.



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quote:Originally posted by Kikey_Kikeowitz:

There's not too many lynchings in the US Army.

Hell, there aren't many in the KKK nowadays, either.

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na but in the us army you get to kill people. But around here in forsyth county, lynching was still a big then up un tull recently.

quote:Originally posted by Kikey_Kikeowitz:

There's not too many lynchings in the US Army.

Hell, there aren't many in the KKK nowadays, either.

[This message has been edited by Kikey_Kikeowitz (edited 08-19-2003).]



Well not in the army...but find a backwoods town and you will find a bunch of lynchings...or other crimes against humanity like that. We had a working gullitine when I was a kid...just hoping someone would use it.

what exactly is lynching... i use the tem myself but have no idea what it means:P

Lynching is a public hanging of an individual...most often from an enraged group or riot.

And it's not one of those stock "short drop and a quick stop" hangings either. They take you out to the ol' sycamore tree and raise you up slooowly by your neck until you choke to death in writhing agony.

quote:Originally posted by Dark_Magneto:

And it's not one of those stock "short drop and a quick stop" hangings either. They take you out to the ol' sycamore tree and raise you up slooowly by your neck until you choke to death in writhing agony.

Yeah, I forgot to mention that.

yeah.. in lynchings you don't get the extra added advantage of possibly having your neck snap.. ie they older style HANGINGS as opposed to lynchings.. when you would stand on a stool or trap door, and they'd kick it out from under you.. in hangings, you have a CHANCE, however small, of your neck snapping..

with lynching, they go real nice and slow so you suffocate to death..

though another popular method to lynching is to tie the end of the rop to a horse and slowly walk it away.. that way you don't hurt yourself pulling the rope.. oh yeah, and in the old west they found it humorous to lynch someone by tying the rope to the lynched person's own horse...

lynchings come with their own strange brand of humor...