I would like to know what Jehovah's witnesses think of the terrorist conflict in the world today mostly September 11. What kind of signs are you seeing? Is this the end? What? When are the birds of prey going to descend from the sky and peck out the eyes of all the non-believers?

I am seriously interested and not here to make fun of anyone.

Hmmmmmmmm, i dont think there are many Jehovah's witnesses on this site. So, if you know any and have talked to them (which i doubt), tell about what they had to say.

The only reason i posted such a strange topic is that much of my family is Jehovah's witness and i have not seen them in a long time. I have had questions like this but have not been able to ask them. But whatever. Just ignore this post and let my question go unanswered. I feel neglected.

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my family are jehovahs, too. It really sucks ass, and they're full of shit. fuck 'em, dont try and understand 'em. it'll only get you in trouble

I recently made friends with this person. One of his future plans is becoming a jehovah's witness. I'll ask him and see what he has to say. I won't see him again until monday

I know some Jehovah's witness's. The Sept.11

deal is simply another step in the last days.

But nothing dramatic that I've seen or heard.

Theyre back to their trying to convert me or you go to hell BS as always.

Does anyone know if their "recruitment" strategy has changed in these "final days?"

I bet if they tried to /sell/ tickets to heaven, more people would buy into it.

As a former JW, I would say they only see 911 as a nonspecific sign of the last days. They are very careful, more than they used to be, about getting specific, since really the time ran out on all their earlier predictions of the end during the last century.

Another observation; they are a changing organization. Every 10 years their beliefs are very different than the previous 10 years.

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Another observation; they are a changing organization. Every 10 years their beliefs are very different than the previous 10 years.

How have they changed? I have not really ever heard that.

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How have they changed? I have not really ever heard that.

One example; Russell, who was the founder of JW's, did not even believe, or endorse having religious organizations, because of their deleterious effects on individuals. When he died, Rutherford took over, he was a lawyer, and really liked rules, laws, and created a very strong, controlling, organization. There are many other examples. This was just the beginning of the reconfigurations.

i had a m8 wo was a jw and i remember him saying somthing like.. the world ends when all the "chosen ones are dead" and all of the chosen ones have to have witnessed the first world war with their own eyes... you do the math:P

My mother was the first in her family to break away from the religon. That was probably the hardest twenty plus years of her life. She faced, among other things, disownent from her family. To this day the relationships we have with the rest of our family are total shit.

Does anyone know why they feel they must do that, especially to the ones they love? I have a really hard time understanding why they think that is that right thing to do. I mean, she is not even allowed to eat a meal with her own father to this day.

I have no interest in becoming involved in the religon. I dont know, it has just been a really sour spot in me and my mothers life for a long time.

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Does anyone know why they feel they must do that, especially to the ones they love?

They're all brainwashed. It's that simple.

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[B]Does anyone know why they feel they must do that, especially to the ones they love? I have a really hard time understanding why they think that is that right thing to do./B]

I'm glad to have had the JW experience, in the respect that I have an understanding as to why JWs act this way. Basically this type of behavior comes from the belief in rules, laws, or morals, (basically all the same thing) that people have. The only thing that JWs are different in, is that they take their rule-following more seriously than do most people. In a way they are to be admired for this earnestness, but then it can also cause them to become hurtful, as you describe with your experience.

The way rules can make people cruel, is that rules are inflexible. What people do is they decide a certain rule, or moral, is "good". Then they continue to insist this rule is good even when it is obvious that it is not helpful in this or that situation. So the JWs think the bible says not to associate with family members that have done something "wrong". The JWs get into this situation because they have staked their claim on the idea that the bible is a book of infallible rules, and they are going to follow them better than any other religion does.

The only way not to be susceptible to this reliance on rules; and slavery to rules; and cruelty caused by rules, is to say that the only "rule" you believe in, is that there are no other rules. This requires a complete makeover of your previous way of thinking, and is itself a "religion" with the only doctrine being that stated in the previous sentence.

OK my mom is a jw and for most of my short life (18) I attended the kingdom hall or what others would think of a church...Anyways it is a non-specific sigh of the end...there are a whole bunch of other sighs too but whatever...anyways just because some guys prediction about the end of days due to the more and more prevelent bad conditions of the world...war famine disease pain and suffering and all that stuff doesn't mean the whole religon is wrong...but i'm not going to go into that...and PLEKTRUM ur m8 as u put it must have been confused...or u remember it wrong...and Genio ur when ur mother left it was probably because she commit a really bad sin or something...like adultry...or how ever the hell u spell it...i think thats rite tho....anyways when someone sins really bad they r kinda shunned untill they find their way bad with god...i don't believe it was just because she left...hell me and my sibblings do not practice any more and my mother still speaks with me...and if jw couldn't speak to outsiders then they sure the hell wouldn't go door to door all the time...