Jesus: The enemy encamps only in your hatred, and marches nowhere but in your fear.

Any others?

Here are some from the Bible:

The price of wisdom is above rubies. Job 18

The path of the just is as the shining light, that shineth more and more unto the perfect day. Job 18

Wisdom excelleth folly, as far as light excelleth darkness. Ecclesiastes 2:13

The race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong. Ecclesiastes 11

He went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions. Matthew 22

Unto the pure all things are pure. Titus 1:15

Jim Gaffigan:

"You ever meet those girls that tell you 'I'm not religious but I'm spiritual'? I'm usually responding 'I'm not honest, but you're interesting.'"

quote:Originally posted by ---Beany---:

Jesus: The enemy encamps only in your hatred, and marches nowhere but in your fear.

Any others?

God: "I am not usually recognized or if I am recognized, it is with such overpowering love or fear that it smothers the recognition.

Nothing should be powerful, it should just be, as it was meant to be.

The strength of Mortals is their Soul, and the strength of the Soul is LOVE.

ALL is LOVE nothing more."

(LOVE is LEARNING.)

"Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is really energy condensed into a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. There's no such thing as death, life is just a dream and we're an imagination of ourselves. Here's tom with the weather" - Tool - Third Eye

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quote:Originally posted by Fuck:

"Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is really energy condensed into a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. There's no such thing as death, life is just a dream and we're an imagination of ourselves. Here's tom with the weather" - Tool - Third Eye



The guy speaking in that song was Bill Hicks.

Bill Hicks is kinda special to me since it was that very quote that eventually resulted in me truly believing in God. A time I'll never forget.

V.Good quote.

Ah, cool. Thanks for giving the voice a name, I think I'll look this guy up.

quote:Originally posted by Fuck:

Ah, cool. Thanks for giving the voice a name, I think I'll look this guy up.

No probs.

You can download lots of his stuff from Kazaa. He is good but he tends to use his material many times over. He doesn't talk about spirituality a great deal but you can tell from what he says that he has good understanding.

Epictetus-"It is not the things themselves that disturb men, but their judgments about these things."f

Epicurus-"We recognize pleasure as the first and natural good; starting from pleasure we accept or reject; and we return to this as we judge every good thing, trusting this feeling of pleasure as our guide."

Baruch Spinoza-"Nothing in nature is contingent, but all things are from the necessity of the divine nature determined to exist and to act in a definite way."

Gottfried Leibniz-"The soul follows its own laws, and the body likewise follows its own laws; and they agree with each other in virtue of the pre-established harmony between all substances, since they are all representations of one and the same universe."

Nietzsche-"For the present, the comedy of existence has not yet 'become conscious' of itself. For the present, we still live in the age of tragedy, the age of maralities and religions."

Nietzsche-"The popular mind separates the lightning from its flash and takes the latter for an action, for the operation of a subject called lightning...But ther is no such substratum; there is no 'being' behind doing, effecting, becoming; 'the doer' is merely a fiction added to the deed-the deed is everything. The popular mind in fact doubles the deed; when it sees the lightning flash, it is the deed of a deed: it posits the same event first as cause and then a second time as its effect."

Albert Einstein-"I want to know God's thoughts, all the rest are details."

"Death is fortunate for the child, bitter to the youth, too late for the old."

"The world is a comedy to those that think, a tragedy to those that feel."

"Silence is deep as eternity; speech as shallow as time"

"For every mountain of bullshit, there is a pebble of truth..." --Thomas Santellana, homeless chess guru type in Houston, TX

-=CW=-

"If you ever see a buddha on the road...kill him" Zen Buddhism

"Man created knowledge. And then the devil organized it and called it religion."

quote:Originally posted by DarkFire47:

"Man created knowledge. And then the devil organized it and called it religion."

Haha! I like it.

"There is no religious denomination in which the misuse of metaphysical expressions has been responsible for so much sin as in mathmatics."

- Wittgenstein

quote:Originally posted by ---Beany---:

Jesus: The enemy encamps only in your hatred, and marches nowhere but in your fear.

Any others?

Inspiration exists, but it has to find you working.

- Pablo Picasso (submitted by serena xxi)

Laughter is the closest thing to the grace of God.

- Karl Barth

When spider webs unite, they can tie up a lion.

- Ethiopian proverb

The Gnani wants to become Brahman, but the bhakta wants to taste the sweetness, not be the sugar.

-Ramakrishna

Hope is like a road in the country; there wasnt ever a road, but when many people walk on it, the road comes into existence.

- Lin Yutang



God created suffering and heartache, so that joy might be known as their opposite. Hidden things become manifest through their opposites. But God has no opposite; so he remains hidden. Light is known as the opposite of darkness. But God's light has no opposite. Thus we cannot know him through our eyes.

-Rumi, "Masnavi"

From "366 Readings From Islam,



When the learned see that the learning that delights them

Delights the world as well, they love learning even more.

A man's learning is an imperishable and precious wealth.

All other possessions are less golden.

-Tirukkural 40:399-400

Excerpted from the Tirukkural, translated by Satguru Sivaya Subramuniyaswami. Copyright Himalayan Academy Publications, www.himalayanacademy.com. (http://www.himalayanacademy.com.)

The Bible tells us to love our neighbors, and also to love our enemies; probably because they are generally the same people.

- G.K. Chesterton

Love thy neighbor as yourself - Leviticus 14:3

If I'm not for me, who's for me? And if I'm just for me, what is "me?" Ben bagbag Avos 3

quote:Originally posted by ---Beany---:

Jesus: The enemy encamps only in your hatred, and marches nowhere but in your fear.

I prefer to think that the charachter-defining qualities of an enemy; are vital to the process of a man making his way in the world. And how is this typical New Testament attitude reconciled with your supposed appreciation of Maynard and his disgust with Christianity?

Since we're quoting:

"Standing above the crowd, he had a voice so strong and loud and I swallowed his façade cuz I'm so eager to identify with someone above the ground, someone who seemed to feel the same, someone prepared to lead the way, with someone who would die for me." - Maynard

"Si Dieu n'existait pas, il faudrait l'inventer." - Voltaire

quote:Originally posted by VeneFrigus:

"There is no religious denomination in which the misuse of metaphysical expressions has been responsible for so much sin as in mathmatics."

- Wittgenstein

Good ol' Wittgenstein.

I like how he handled that debate with Popper at Cambridge with a fire poker.

I collect these:

Law without life is death by decay, a dry shell crumbling into dust at reality's touch. Life without law is death by suicide, a tidal wave of chaos without direction or meaning.

-Peter Viereck

Only a generation embedded between ancestors and grandchildren is conscious of what is demanded by the greatness of its duty and its mission, and is aware of the insignificance and transience of its own existence.

-Heinrich Himmler

Man does not strive for wholeness; he already has it, he's born with it. What he has to do throughout his life is to develop this inherent totality to the highest possible level of differentiation, coherence and harmony and to avoid that it breaks into separate, autonomous and conflictive systems.

-CG Jung

As a person you are something more: you are a member of the chain of life, a drop in the great bloodstream of your people. There too you have duties and obligations before the eternity of the nation. You have the duty to pass on what you received from your parents and ancestors.

-Dr. Walter Gross

For spirit alone does not make noble; rather, there must be something to ennoble the spirit. What then is required? Blood.

-Nietzsche

"In rages and naked, go, philosophy!"

Says the vile crowd, intent on thoughts of gain.

Few comrades will you have to cheer you now.

Therefore, I pray the more fervently,

Lay not aside your noble task as vain.

-Petrarch

Cattle die, kinsmen die,

And so must one die oneself

But I know of one thing that never dies:

The glory of the great dead.

-Hávamál 77

What you have inherited from your forefathers, you must first win for yourself if you are to possess it.

-Goethe

Wotan in reality never died, but has retained his original vitality and autonomy. Our consciousness only imagines that it has lost its gods; in reality, they are still there and it only needs a certain general condition in order to bring them back in full force.

-CG Jung

However, it is not enough merely to rediscover things of the past, it must also be our goal to establish links with the ancient past in order to revive a cultural heritage going back thousands of years and to pass it on, invested with meaning, to our descendants.

-Walter Franzius

Man's consciousness was created to the end that it may: recognize its descent from a higher unity; pay due and careful regard to this source; execute its commands intelligently and responsibly; and thereby afford the psyche as a whole the optimum degree of life and development.

-CG Jung

Yes - this I hold to with devout insistence,

Wisdom's last verdict goes to say:

He only earns both freedom and existence

Who must reconquer them each day.

-Goethe, Faust's last words.

Man's effort to build up something that contradicts the iron logic of Nature brings him into conflict with those principles to which he himself exclusively owes his own existence. By acting against the laws of Nature he prepares the way that leads to his ruin.

-Adolf Hitler

In the war which you let loose, you taught men how to die, and thereby you have freed a spirit which will engulf you next, the Spirit of Heroism and Discipline. There is no currency that can buy this spirit, but it can overcome any currency.

-Francis Parker Yockey

Human sentience not based on an Earth spirituality can and will be replaced by machine sentience.

-Olwë Melwasúl

The universe is composed of subjects to be communed with, not objects to be exploited. Everything has its own voice. Thunder and lightning and stars and planets, flowers, birds, animals, trees - all these have voices, and they constitute a community of existence that is profoundly related.

-Thomas Berry

Our myths may be misguided, but they steer however shakily towards the true harbour, while materialistic 'progress' leads only to a yawning abyss and the Iron Crown of the power of evil.

-JRR Tolkien

Something born from human pride and the quest for pleasure cannot be considered true culture. True culture is born within nature, and is simple, humble, and pure. Lacking true culture, humanity will perish.

-Masanobu Fukuoka

And finally, the conclusion of all philosophy:

Philosophy is the train of thought that finally sees into its own inadequacy and realizes the need for an absolute action that originates from within.

-Lagneau

I like this thread.



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"it is a fact, Simias, that those who go about philosophising correctly are training for death, and that to them of all men death is least alarming."

Socrates



"As soon as we get up in the morning, we must consider in advance with regard to the various acts we will perform throughout the day, whether it is better to live as a slave of our passions, or to utilise reason against all of them."

Galen

"At the break of dawn,say to yourself; I'm going to come across a nosy person, an ingrate, a thug, a cheat, a jealous man, and an anti-social man. All these defects have afflicted them because of their ignorance of what is truly good and evil."

"In the morning when you have trouble getting up, have this thought at hand; I'm getting up to do a man's work."

"Let your every deed and word and thought be those of one who might depart from this life at this very moment."

Marcus Aurelius

"God has brought man into the world to be a spectator of himself and his works, and not merely a spectator, but also an interpreter ... Nature ... did not end(i.e. in the case of mankind) until she reached contemplation and understanding and a manner of life harmonious with nature. Take heed, therefore, lest you die without ever having been spectators of these things .... Will you consequently refuse to learn either who you are, or for what you have been born, or what is the meaning of the spectacle to which you have been admitted."

Epicteteus, Discourses, 16, 19-25:

"But the total character of the world is, in all eternity, chaos - not in the sense of a lack of necessity, but in the sense of a lack of order, of arrangement, form, beauty, wisdom, and all the other names we have for our aesthetic anthropomorphisms" -- Friedrich Nietzsche, (Hammer of the Gods)

"Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth than lies" -- Friedrich Nietzsche, (Hammer of the Gods)

-=CW=-

hahahaha and of course theres always ezekiel 25:17...the path of the righteous man..

seneca: there is no genius without a trace od madness...



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be fruitful and multiply, and replenish the earth and subdue it....genesis 1 v 28

the lord is a man of war.....exodus 15 v 3

be sure thy sin will find you....

even in laughter the heart is sorrowful..proverbs 14 v 15

he that maketh haste to be rich shall not be innocent...prov 28 v20

a fool uttereth all his mind

prov 29 v 11

the sleep of a labouring man is sweet.. eccl 5 v12

he that diggeth a pit shall fall into it...eccl 10 v8

be not made a beggar by banqueting upon borrowing.....eccl 18 v 25

dont give a wicked woman liberty to go abroad.....ecc 25 v25

envy and wrath shorten the life .....eccl 30 v24

i see men as trees walking...matt8 v24

the kingdom of god is within you....luke 17 21

in the beginning was the word, and the word was with god , and the word WAS GOD....john 1 v1

no man hath seen god at any time ...john 1 v18

your body is the temple of the holy ghost...1 corint 6 v9

some stuff from the gospel of thomas....

lucky is the lion that the human will eat , so that the lion becomes human... and foul is the human that the lion will eat ....and the lion will still become human....(very buddhist )

jesus said to them...if you fast you will bring sin upon yourself...if you pray you will be condemned .....and if you give to charity you will harm your spirits.

they said jesus tell us how will our end come

he said ...have you found the beginning , then that you are looking for the end...you see the end will be where the beginning is.

he said to them .....what you are looking forward to has come ...but you dont know it

jesus said whoever does not hate father and mother cannot be my disciple... and whoever does not hate brothers and sisters , and carry the cross as i do will not be worthy of me

if one is whole one will be filled wih light , but if one is divided one will be filled with darkness

he said ...do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing.

he said ....i am the light that is over all things ...i am all from me all came forth and to me all attained..split a piece of wood and i am there

"You know you have created God in your own image,when he hates the same people you hate."

Anon.-

You guys believe that God doesn't exist because you haven't seen him, touched him, heard him, smelled him?? Have you ever seen your brain, touched your brain, or smelled you brain?? This prooves you have no brains.

quote:Originally posted by trs1800:

You guys believe that God doesn't exist because you haven't seen him, touched him, heard him, smelled him?? Have you ever seen your brain, touched your brain, or smelled you brain?? This prooves you have no brains.Pretty deep ..for a n00b...NOT

btw,I am a Buddhist!



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quote:Originally posted by trs1800:

You guys believe that God doesn't exist because you haven't seen him, touched him, heard him, smelled him?? Have you ever seen your brain, touched your brain, or smelled you brain?? This prooves you have no brains.

I remember reading that email a long time ago... a college lecture, right? Atheist professor, proud Christian student mentioning the premise of duality? "There is no such thing as cold/darkness/irresponsibility/unjustice/sin, because cold/darkness/irresponsibility/unjustice/sin is not the opposite of heat/light/responsibility/justice/purity; it is the absence of heat/light/responsibility/justice/purity." The Judeo-Christian axis has a tendency to divide mankind into two halves, deifying one and demonizing the other. This religion is therefore detrimental to the existence of humanity - only by embracing evil as well as good, doing whatever is necessary, are we complete. Hail Tradition!

The maxim which not only identifies the one philosophy that crystallizes into action, but also shapes the course of history itself, should be kept close to mind and heart:

Imperium est recta.

... Didn't read through so im not sure if this one cameup yet but its Hillel after being asked to sum up the Torah in under 1 minutes "Love thy neighbor as thy self, The rest is just commentary now go and study it"

If you want peace destroy all who oppose it-unknown

You can run but you'll just die tired-unknown

one night a man dreamed that he was walking along the beach with the Lord. As seens of his life flashed before him, he noticed there were two sets of footprints in the sand. He also noticed at the saddest times there was but one set of footprints. This bothered the man. He asked the Lord, "Did you not promise that if I gave my heart to you that you'd be with me all the way? The why is there but one set of footprints during my most troublesome times?" The Lord replied, "My precious child, I love you and I would never forsake you. During those times of trial and suffering, when you see only one set of footprints it was that I carried you."-unknown

^ Oo that last one's great.

ALL in ONE and ONE in ALL. The Buddha.

It is of no greater or lesser consequence than the air. The air does not argue about its worth; it simply exists. In its existence, entities use it. They breath it; they take it for granted. Well, this Awareness is the same. It is taken for granted, because without It, nothing would be.

-Awareness

This Awareness indicates that entities upon this plane have referred to this Awareness by various names as God, as Brahmin, and as other names unknown in present time. This Awareness indicates that It has spoken through many prophets through many ages, and religions have formed around these prophets.

-Awareness



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"There may be perhaps men of the higher type who fail i n virtue, but there has never been one of the lower type who possessed virtue."

- Confucius

"The preservation of the rites of the family and of our ancestors means preserving the religious rites, which we can almost say were handed down by the gods themselves, since ancient times were closest to the gods."

- M. Tullius Cicero

quote:Originally posted by VeneFrigus:

[B since ancient times were closest to the gods."

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I'd agree with that. As time goes by society makes it harder to reach god. What with all the social rules, law and what-not.

People aren't as free to express themselves as they used to be. Nowadays everyone is a kind of slave without even being aware of it.

Since the natural world follows that principle (Wu Wei), it does not make mistakes. Mistakes are made - or imagined - by man, the creature with the overloaded Brain who separates himself from the supporting network of natural laws by interfering and trying too hard.

Benjamin Hoff on Wu Wei (Part of Taoism)

quote:Originally posted by ---Beany---:

I'd agree with that. As time goes by society makes it harder to reach god. What with all the social rules, law and what-not.

People aren't as free to express themselves as they used to be. Nowadays everyone is a kind of slave without even being aware of it.

It's not laws that separate God. Laws help create nations and preserve cultures. What separates man from God is man himself. He creates things to shield him from the humiliating experience that is encountering God. We begin to worship those veils, or sometimes even ourselves, instead of God.

I'd recommend reading Julius Evola to learn more about the separation of man from God, or, more specifically, Tradition.

"It is not our differences that divide us. It is our inability to accept and cherish those differences that divides us" -random bumper sticker

"Religions are the projection of incapacity, the imaginations of fear, the veneer of superstition, that paradox is truth, * while ofttimes the ornamentation of imbecility. As a virtue in the Idea to maximize pleasure cheaply, remit your sins and excuse them-is but ceremonial, the expression of puppetry to the governing fear. Yes! What you have ordained in your religiousness, is your very rack, imagined though it be! The prospect is not pleasant; you have taught yourself! It has become inborn and your body is sensitive." - Austin Osman Spare, The Book of Pleasure (Self Love)

The most excellent jihad is the uttering of truth in the presence of an unjust ruler.--Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) Hadith: Mishkat: Tirmidhi 17

Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.--Christ Jesus(pbuh) Matthew 10:34-35





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quote:Originally posted by Wings Of Azrael:

Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.--Christ Jesus(pbuh) Matthew 10:34-35

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What do you think this means, and why do you think it's cool?

quote:Originally posted by Tyrant:

It's not laws that separate God. Laws help create nations and preserve cultures. What separates man from God is man himself. He creates things to shield him from the humiliating experience that is encountering God. We begin to worship those veils, or sometimes even ourselves, instead of God.



Encountering god is a humiliating experience???

Anyway I didn't say that laws seperate us from god. I said that laws (official and social) hamper our spiritual progression.

Without the freedom to express ourselves we can't learn from the experiences. This is a valuable tool for gaining wisdom, but we are moulded into being people that we wouldn't normally be. To a certain extent anyway.

I think the quote I mentioned before was quite interesting. Christ(pbuh) didn't come to bring peace, but to show people the way to God. I believe he was striking back a the clergy that were twisting religion for their own purposes. Christ(pbuh) was right on in his analogy. Anytime you consult clergy before you consult God you have problems. And that is exactly what the Jews were doing. They were also raising their clergy to the status of partners with God. God has no partners. He is the All-Powerful, the All-Merciful.

^ cheers

What do you mean by Jesus(pbuh)

Is Pbuh his islamic name or something?

PBUH=Peace Be Upon Him...it is customary to say that after the name of any Prophet in Islam.

quote:Originally posted by ---Beany---:

Encountering god is a humiliating experience???

Often enough, especially if one suffers from severe inflation. The presence of God puts you in your place and makes you realize your insignificance in relation to the rest of the world.

quote:Anyway I didn't say that laws seperate us from god. I said that laws (official and social) hamper our spiritual progression.

Without the freedom to express ourselves we can't learn from the experiences. This is a valuable tool for gaining wisdom, but we are moulded into being people that we wouldn't normally be. To a certain extent anyway.

The conditions of today definitely impede upon our spiritual development. However, what specifically do you mean by "freedom to express ourselves"? Where is your freedom limited today? (curious as to your thoughts, not ridiculing you =) )

quote:Originally posted by Tyrant:

Often enough, especially if one suffers from severe inflation. The presence of God puts you in your place and makes you realize your insignificance in relation to the rest of the world.

Aa I see what you mean

I guess it's the reason why pride isn't advised. This humiliation would only be brought on by yourself but would actually teach you some valuable lessons.

When I say we don't have 'Freedom to express', I guess I'm mainly talking about how the media depict what kind of people we should be, and so anyone who doesn't fall into this category would feel less comfortable expressing who they are. Hence why many so-called "nerds" are often introverted.

Well, since the (western) media only mentions spirituality in the context of trying to coerce you to buy something or to vote in a particular fashion, then it might be wise to just ignore it; as a false source of spiritual inspiration.

the bird that didnt fly south



as summer came to an ending and the migration was ready to begin. one bird decided not to fly south because he figured with everyone gone he would have enough food and all the space he wanted. well as winter kicked into full swing the temperature dropped dramatically day after day. the bird begining to realize it would be way too cold for him to stay decided to try and start flying south. but with the weather already in the sub-zero ranged the bird was frozen in mid-air and dropped all the way into the ground on a farmer's feild. while laying there a cow came along grazing and took a huge shit on the bird. but the shit's warmth began to heat the bird up, thawing him out until regained feeling in his wings. a few minutes after thawing out a cat came along and began to lick the bird clean, after accomplishing total cleaness the bird replied "thank you", attempting to fly off the cat reached up and ate the bird.



the moral=everyone that shits isnt your enemy and everyone who comes along and helps clean you and pick you back up isnt your friend