I may ramble, stay with me, It's late.

What always bothers me was the arogant thought that god is similar to us in anyway. The concept of a deity is so flawn by outside factors that I simply cannot accept the judeo0chistian-islam-hindue ect. religions.

the problem is consiousnss.

If I really have a concious ness, where does it come from? I dont really have free will, do I? Every thing I do is told to me by my brain, my brain is simply interperting basic chemical logic gates ingraned in my nural pathways. since I am fuctioning with only one brain, there is only one way my thoght could be thought by me, and that is the way I think it, based on the matter in my head. I feel that based on this, and the concept of free will bring so flawed and non-cooperative with the existence of an omnipotent beingm I am saying that I truly doubt the existence of free will, and the existence of conciousness.

now we come the a new idea. If every thing you and I and everyon and everything does is because of matter, be it becasue of the physicaly forces in nature or man made interaction, on the lowest level, there is no alternative becasue the mechanics of matter willed it to be so, and from this I postulate...

That MATTER is GOD.

Matter fits all the necessary qualifications of a deity. It is every where in the known universe (where ever it goes, it takes the iuniverse with it, hence it is eveywhere) , IT cannot be created not destroyed, It guides all actions, hell, it IS all actions. It is everything. All matter being god fits into any religious mindset, except for the fact that In modern religions tend to make shit up about how god likes to suddenly take forms and talk to people, but TECHNICALLY, whatever the prophets were seeing, and whatever person was running trickery, and whatever lies were told, were direct creations of god becasue MATTER is what guided all of their actions. HENCE ALL RELIGIONS ARE RIGHT< THEY ARE ALL THE WORD OF GOD, GOD KNOWS ALL SEES ALL AND CONTROLLS YOUR EVERY ACTION.

thank you

comments please

God doesn't care about us.

Not really. But who cares about God?

my way of thinking is that god was simply every action made by people since the dawn of the human race...

simply...people react to other people, the first human met the first human, and sparked the whole thing off....creating an impossiably large reaction chain involving every person born into the world, every person is dictated by the people around them and the past reactions befor them, god is simply the human race as a whole, the flow of interaction by people to people...



it's late here to, not sure if that made sense...hope so

fewnfar....that's funny dude.(whatever it meant) God DOES matter. Well to those who want to live forever, as absolutely perfect human beings.

Looks to me like the people who replied looked at the title and not at the content.

It ALSO looks to me like the original author of the thread took some acid recently. Way to go man, God is matter, God is everything, God is all things seeking to fulfill their law of being.

Now.....what are the spaces between all of us?

quote:Originally posted by LwaysTired:

fewnfar....that's funny dude.(whatever it meant) God DOES matter. Well to those who want to live forever, as absolutely perfect human beings.

"perfect human beings" do not exist. To be perfect, you must be everything. A Human Being cannot be everything as long as another human being exist, because of contradiciting conciousness'. IF a human being could ever be perfect, there cannot be any other human beings left. Also, the consequence of multiple conciousnesses is Greed, because every concious(spelling?) is self-serving. We all act apon survival of self. Although i guess Greed has nothing to do with being Perfect, because the concept of perfection surpasses the concept of morals and evils. hmmmm.... i ponder....

Mental Detour..Your theory goes right out the window within the first couple of pages in Genesis. Read it....Adam and Eve were both absolutely perfect in every way shape and form.

Adam and Eve weren't perfect if they were perfect then how did they give into temptation. I don't quite understand how perfection can be flawed like that.

-Actually I have the same belief as Mental Detour on how people couldn't be perfect human beings I think I'd phrase it differently though.

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That is the true power of my god matters theory!

Adam an Eve, and YOU and I are all perfect, becasue we are made of matter, we are part of the univeral system of matter! Every thing made of mater is the way it is because it is made of mater, and without free will( which is the situation we are in) every thing is predestination based on god(matter)'s will!

Every thing you do is guided directly by the hand of matter/god! there are no alternatives to the right way, the only way, gods way.( forgive me for sounding blasphemous, God made me write this, or atleast, my brain made me write it based on the chemical reactions in the organic computer behind my eyeballs, which are all run my the hand of god....(isnt it a catch all!?!?)

LwaysTired, you can't use the Bible as a scientific reference because it's a storybook with no factual support of any kind. Actual evidence exists disproving the "theory" of Adam and Eve (for example, to rebut your comment). Can you please leave your baseless nonsense out of a discussion that is rooted in fact and is indeed being discussed for that very reason?

On-topic...

Archaic, your theory would seem to be the only logical way things could be. From everything we have learned so far, it appears everything is at some level governed by laws. It would seem that the same would hold true for that which we have not yet discovered. If that is the case, then everything is simply happening as it must. It's not gliding along compelled by some "unseen force" or anything, but simply going ballistic (in the true sense of the word) and reacting with everything else in real time the way that it must. I wouldn't say there's a will to it, intending it all to happen. It's not pre-planned or predestined, except in that everything simply must happen this way. Therefore, religions are not exactly "all correct", so much as it was simply bound that they would come into being (and in all possibility, fall by the wayside as we come to understand more of the reality of existence, ending our need for stories to explain what we do not understand).

Were you tripping when you thought of that? That's exactly the kind of thoughts I have on hallucinogens.

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Archaic & Zorro420-

isn't it interesting, while on hallucenogens i often had thoughts, realizations, and visions of spiritual nature.

Many others are the same way.

I am gonna think about that one for a bit, wonder what possibly it could signify.

Don't think that hallucinogens give you some sort of truth. They just take a lot of the filters off of your brain and allow you to think much more freely and creatively.

The brain is just a machine, and hallucinogens are just a lubricant.

quote:Originally posted by Kikey_Kikeowitz:

God doesn't care about us.

Not really. But who cares about God?

Me and every one I know who is important to me. So there.

i think god does matter, but not in a theological or metaphysical manner. i think it is more of a political thing in the modern world than anything else. it is because of a belief in a god that religious zealots of all breeds and brands are in existence. don't get me wrong, i think religion is good for many people, it gives them a purpose in life, but we all know that some take it to the extreme. with a world with no belief in god, those religious disagreements would be eliminated (even though there would be other problems to arise in their place.)

i probably make very little sense, but i think it can be said that god does not matter, but the belief in god does.

quote:Originally posted by ArmsMerchant:

Me and every one I know who is important to me. So there.

Interesting.

Why?

quote:Originally posted by LwaysTired:

Mental Detour..Your theory goes right out the window within the first couple of pages in Genesis. Read it....Adam and Eve were both absolutely perfect in every way shape and form.

Can you say "myth"?