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IzzyReele
2003-08-27, 00:42
does anybody here know anything about the qabala - beyond the spiritual astral travel that seems to have incorporated it into their doctrines.

i found this site which is the best i've found so far

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Troy/2795/index.html

anyways why i'm interested, it has amazing parallels to superstring and m-theory.

"At first, the ten spheres are in the "banded" stage. The white animals with dark bands around their legs have the appearance of being or tied up, or bound together. The spheres start out in precisely this condition. Ten traits/tools all bound together in one vessel. Then, they separate and become ten distinct, autonomous spheres. This is the spotted stage (each dark spot on a white animal is completely self contained having no relationship to any other spots.) In the spotted (Hebrew: Nekudim) stage, each sphere is completely oblivious to the presence or absence of any other sphere. It's every sphere for itself."

michiu kaku in hyperspace

"The big bang, as we shall see, perhaps originated in the breakdown of the original ten-dimensional universe into a 4- and 6-dimensional universe. thus we can view the history of the big bang as the history of the breakup of ten-dimensional space and hence the breakup of previously unified symetries."

"The breaking of the vessels is typically associated with Genesis 36:31-39, wherein the Torah lists "the kings who reigned in the land of Edom before a king reigned over the Children of Israel." Eight kings are listed, one after the other. Qabalists attribute these pre-Israelite kings to the flawed vessels that broke. The qabalistic scholars also assume that Kether, Chochma, and Binah did work together, giving light as well as receiving it, and that they were not among those that shattered. But eight Kings/vessels are mentioned in Genesis 36. That adds to eleven (three vessels that did not shatter plus eight that did shatter). The solution: daath/knowledge, the so-called invisible sphere, was one of those that shattered."

here again the kether, chochma, and binah are the three shattered vessels, length, width, and depth our spatial 3-dimensional universe expanding outwards toward infinity, with an invisible one daath/knowledge. to know something something must be, time.

this also mentions that with this hidden one there are 11....

"There is still a third possibility for the M in M-theory. One of the islands that was found on the M-theory planet corresponds to a theory that lives not in 10 but in 11 dimensions. This seems to be telling us that M-theory should be viewed as an 11 dimensional theory that looks 10 dimensional at some points in its space of parameters. Such a theory could have as a fundamental object a Membrane, as opposed to a string. Like a drinking straw seen at a distance, the membranes would look like strings when we curl the 11th dimension into a small circle. "

from http://www.damtp.cam.ac.uk/user/gr/public/qg_ss.html

back to qabala and the actual book of zohar

"The source of the sea is one. A current issues from it... The source is one and the current makes two. Next, it makes a great basin, like a channel dug in the earth, which is filled by the waters which emanate from the source. It is this basin which we know as `Sea': this is the third factor involved. The large basin is split up into seven channels, which are like so many long tubes... thus the waters are conveyed from the sea into these seven channels. The source, the current, the sea, and the seven channels form together the number ten... It is thus that the Cause of Causes has brought forth the ten sefirot..."

a point(source of the sea) becomes line(river) then achieves depth(basin),

but then the author of the page says this...

"This serves as one more reminder of how difficult it can be to wrap qabala up neatly into one package, and more importantly, of the fact that this is mystical metaphor, not physics."

sure seems like it to me.

which makes me ask, is this schroedinger's cat?

"Under this view, we can think of Chochma as, perhaps, a camera aperture, or the retina of an eye. When the aperture is fully open, the maximum amount of light moves through the lens. This is like the state of Ayn SPh AVR, where all potential possibilities exist and can shine through. Kether is the will to narrow the aperture. In Chochma, we actually do narrow the aperture. As the opening shrinks, some of the light (i.e., some of the potential imaginings) is screened out. Eventually, the aperture narrows to a point at which the opening is so narrow, only a small portion of the infinite light can shine through; put another way, only one of the infinite pool of imaginings can shine through. This view of Chochma is compatible with what we saw in Tomer Devorah. In spreading and transmitting wisdom, we must take care not to pass on more than others can receive. Chochma, viewed as a narrowing aperture, does just this; it prevents us from being overwhelmed by too many possibilities and instead, narrows things down to a single probability that we can cope with."

"Described this way the CI is mixture of classical physics (deterministic evolution of the wave function) and a mysterious new element-a special kind of collapse of a superposition of states of the wave function at the point of measurement. This last kind of discontinuous evolution is called often the measurement problem."

http://donavanhall.net/physics/quantum/copenhagen.shtml

jdoapc
2003-08-27, 07:38
The best site I have found is http://www.workofthechariot.com

Fascistsmasher
2003-08-27, 08:27
I suggest not studying it. Not only is the modern peusdo-pagan "revival" of Kabbalah sickening its against the very traditions if Kabbalah itself. Just a tid-bit if your searching, traditionally Kabbalah was not taught to men until after the age of fourty. At which their education and learning of the Torah and Talmud was complete. Even at the point though only the best and brightest were allowed to study.

UrbnTbone
2003-08-27, 15:57
Yeah it takes a bit of a warning.

Studying kblh is dangerous, especially since it has diverted from tradition and is taught by people with no clue of what it is.

It's like a beautiful masterpiece, and many guides teaching each one theior own interpretation of the piece of art. All are wrong, the only one who's right, is the genuine art lover who loves it for what it is: a piece of art.

kblh is not transmitted anymore, since there has been so many false prophets of the "Qabala", "kabiloo", "Qiblack" and whatever way they write the hebrew name, each one with their fancy explanation. You can see outright that these people are not in their right minds.

When an idea becomes popular, beware of the false prophets and temple merchants! That's true with anything.

IzzyReele
2003-08-27, 21:54
"Not only is the modern peusdo-pagan "revival" of Kabbalah sickening its against the very traditions if Kabbalah itself."

exactly what i thought when searching, it seems to me it's been hijacked, i even found it listed on a witches site!

"Studying kblh is dangerous, especially since it has diverted from tradition and is taught by people with no clue of what it is."

i agree, most of what i found, in a way seemed to bastardize it.

i've been curious ever since i saw the movie pi, it follows a lot of my personal beliefs that the entire universe can be summed up in an equation.

the director(a jew) said he became aware of the startling correlation between science and the qabala while spending time in israel after college studying with the hassids(sp?), and that all the correlations presented in the movie are correct.

the site i listed was the first site i've found where i was like holy shit, quantum theory, hyperdimensional physics, and even alluding to Orch OR(orchestrated objective reduction) otherwise known as quantum consciousness recently put forth by roger penrose and stuart hameroff, and the guy from the site wasn't even trying to make the connection.

i'm still under the impression that there's something in there so obvious we're overlooking it, if it happens once, it's an accident, twice a coincidence, three times is something to look into.

i found at least 5 direct correlations to modern theoretical physics, it was really freaky how much it corresponded to michiu kaku's hyperspace only using differnt metaphorical text from kaku.

"kblh is not transmitted anymore, since there has been so many false prophets of the "Qabala", "kabiloo", "Qiblack" and whatever way they write the hebrew name, each one with their fancy explanation. You can see outright that these people are not in their right minds."

exactly what i found as well.

thanks for the input.

UrbnTbone
2003-08-27, 23:42
The sefyetsira says "ten and not nine, ten and not eleven". That must give some clues on the "11th dimension" if any, besides the fact that Daath is not really a sephirah, rather a bridge between the higher and the lower sephiroth.

In the hassidic tradition much inheritated from the RamHal, Daath is compared with the action of love: "and Adam knew Chava his wife", that is the knowledge as being first of all an act of love. If not there is just an illusion of knowledge.

Therefore Daath is more than just a sephirah, that's why it corresponds to the back of the head, that bottleneck which directs the force towards the (lower) body.

That's where Amalek could have a grip if we weren't totally committed to love. An allusion: Malek, verb Melikah, name of action, is the Jerusalem Temple's process of slaughtering from the neck, for bird-offerings, done with the thumb's nail which was specially cut for that purpose.

Amalek works at creating a gap between the head and the (heart) body, spilling the person's force from reaching its purpose in the emotional realm.

Therefore singing and friendly, brotherly association is so critical. Its melts down the ice of Amalek.

Armed&Angry
2003-08-28, 00:03
As fascistsmasher pointed out, a MASSIVE amount of training in Jewish law and exegesis is necessary before you can even approach the idea of studying Qabalah. On the one hand, I think it's a lot of hokey. On the other, if it isn't, legend has it you're gonna die.

As my Judaeo-Christian Tradition professor put it, Judaism is supposed to be like a silver apple. Inside the silver apple is a gold apple. And if you can attain a level of understanding that allows you to find the holes in each, you get inside and come face to face with the burning essence of God. And if you aren't one seriously heavy-duty rabbi who truly understands the Torah at the most intuitive level, your brain will simply explode.

Either way, you're kinda boned.

Kikey_Kikeowitz
2003-08-28, 00:05
Irony. The true alcholic beverage of life.

UrbnTbone
2003-08-28, 18:03
quote:Originally posted by Armed&Angry:

As my Judaeo-Christian Tradition professor put it... Good point, he knows what he's talking about.

Yet some Jews argue that in our times the exile is darkest and only the light of kblh can dissipate ambient obscurity. With God's mercy, the students will not aim higher than their ability.

But I can say that many of the pretenders to learning it, end up nuts. I saw scores of them in Israel. You don't just play with the king's beard like that. You have to be real close to him before. Extra-sensorial intuitions added to hyper-realist abilities, are the mix that it takes on top of all the required judaic specs.

Fascistsmasher
2003-08-28, 19:11
I hope to fuck madonna gets bit in the ass for dabbling.