damnation, chastisement, hellfire, brimstone, punishment, blah blah fuckidy BLAH.... what the hell is wrong with some of you believers? Did you forget to go out and buy a copy of "How to Win Friends and Influence Heathens"?!

You make God seem like such a wanker, like He's sitting up there with a cattle prod just dripping with anticipation for the moment he gets to zap our asses straight to hell...

LIGHTEN UP already, being a Christian and believing in God shouldn't make you such killjoys. It should make you HAPPY! There are some pretty fuckin cool aspects of being a believer that you seem to have forgotten... Some of the bullocks you guys spread, geezus, instead of encouraging these guys and giving them the TRUTH you just damn them to hell... how do you sleep at night?

Easy and comfortably. As I tell whomever of God and tell them what happens if they deny Him who hath created all. And whatever happens after that is usually brought on by their ignorance and contempt and unbelief and my low tolerance to attacks on my faith. But you may not be speaking of I, as I saw you addressing Christians, not Muslims. But whatever the case.



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That's a very refreshing viewpoint. Don't see that too often from the believers of the spin-offs.

quote:Originally posted by Wings Of Azrael:

Easy and comfortably. As I tell whomever of God and tell them what happens if they deny Him who hath created all. And whatever happens after that is usually brought on by their ignorance and contempt and unbelief and my low tolerance to attacks on my faith. But you may not be speaking of I, as I saw you addressing Christians, not Muslims. But whatever the case.



You're still using the word "hath" dude... so yeah, you could surmise I was directing my rant toward you... this is AD, not BC, no one is reading the King James translation these days... get with the times. No one is going to be well keen on a God who still says lame shit like "hath" in the year 2003.

And when someone attacks your faith you find it appropriate to condemn them? Wow... what a LOVELY example you're setting! "Whenever someone doesn't understand your religion, just insult them and condemn them to hell until they realize the error of their ways" Riiiiiight...

lol, sarco, i agree with you...

are you a christian? it sort of sounds like you are, but you have a problem with christians who are uptight...that would be way cool, and i don't remember coming across folks like that...

i escaped after 18 years of fundamentalist christianity...man, i feel sorry for all those sweet little kiddies who are brainwashed and live in homes like the one i grew up in...

God could say whatever he wanted in whatever language he wanted and it would still be relevant. Why sugar coat the shit? It is better the unbelievers know the truth than that 'it will be ok' bullshit. It won't be ok and the sooner they learn the err of their ways the better. Yes I will attack those who attack my faith. You can say anything to me about anything and more than likely I would say 'Peace be with you' and walk away. Attacks on God and my religion is one confrontation that I will not walk away from as I commanded not to by God in the Holy Quran. I am usually against the escalating of tensions, but I will defend God as I am told to, and that is without compromise.

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The ORIGINAL, which your spin-off is based on, disagrees.

quote:Originally posted by Wings Of Azrael:

Easy and comfortably. As I tell whomever of God and tell them what happens if they deny Him who hath created all. And whatever happens after that is usually brought on by their ignorance and contempt and unbelief and my low tolerance to attacks on my faith. But you may not be speaking of I, as I saw you addressing Christians, not Muslims. But whatever the case.

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Why would god create us if he knows who's gonna burn in hell already? Why make us suffer because HE created us?

We never had a choice to come here? Why make us burn for it?



Thats what I always wonder about when it comes to these christians and muslims.

-MD

God gives you the choice. It is yours to make. God says some are destined for unbelief. It doesn't say those who are destined are predetermined. It is their own choice. If you are talking about worldly suffering, you would do well to read the book of Job(pbuh). If you are talking about hell-ish suffering, then I think I explained away your question about that in my first few sentences. It may have not been your choice to be here, but it is your choice to burn.



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hey wings:

there's a reason folks don't get your christianity...you lose them when you explain HELL, a place our "Loving Heavenly Father" created to terrify the shit out of us...

you lose them again when you explain Original Sin, whereby two people EATING AN APPLE 4000 YEARS AGO dooms the entire human race to eternal damnation...

you lose them with the whole sacrifice thing...when was the last time anyone fired up a goat on the altar, producing a pleasing aroma unto the lord? people don't get that because of jesus no one has to kill animals anymore...

you lose your potential converts when people look at the CHRISTIANS...by and large, a very unhappy, uptight, angry, prejudiced bunch of people...

of course, you also lose them when you tell them all the stuff they have to do to be a christian, and FOR SURE you lose them when you tell them all the fun stuff they CAN'T do anymore...

you lose them when you can't answer the most simple, basic and logical questions they have...

you lose them when you actually get them to read the bible, and they find a god who is jealous (his words), vengeful, angry, plays favorites, blasts people, a breaker of promises, blasts people, immoral, hypocritical, blasts people, and so forth (the list is very long)

you lose them when you tell them to stop thinking and just have faith...if you can't even explain it yourself, how can you convince someone else to give it a try?

and i don't suggest EVER witnessing to waitresses...do an online search: "christians" "lousy" "tippers" and you'll get my point...

I seriously think more than half of the kids graduating from high schools all over the world are void of the capabiltiy of reading. And I would venture to say that most of their IQ's are mired in the 60s and 70s. For those who can read...I AM MUSLIM.

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quote:Originally posted by Wings Of Azrael:

I seriously think more than half of the kids graduating from high schools all over the world are void of the capabiltiy of reading. And I would venture to say that most of their IQ's are mired in the 60s and 70s.



Yeah, I totaly agree with you... you're a living breathing example of that.

responding to a couple of wings' posts:

talk about sugarcoating! if you read genesis and exodus you find a god that told adam he'd "die" if he ate the fruit, then CHANGED the punishment to include: banishment from a really cool place to live, not only would adam have to learn farming, god would CURSE THE LAND so it produced thorns and thistles; not much better for eve: she'd be under adam's domination AND suffer pains in childbirth (a real bitch of a curse...man, god sure is creative)...AND all of their descendants for all time would be under the dreaded Curse of Original Sin...

not only is this overkill, and unfair, and unjust, and really not nice at all, god didn't keep his word...i can, and probably will in the future, share MANY more such instances...

suffice it to say, interpreting the god of the bible in any positive kind of way is SUGARCOATING...

then you mention freewill, that we have a choice...utter bullshit! it's DURESS or COERCION...if i hold a gun to your head and order you to sign an agreement or i'll blow your fucking brains out, am i really giving you FREE CHOICE?

of course not, and our courts, which are more moral than your god, wouldn't uphold such an agreement...may as well wipe your ass with it...

christians come to the lord for one reason: they're TERRIFIED of going to hell when they die...remove the threat of hell, and THEN, only then, have you given them free choice...

You have to remember a simple mathematical fact... Muslims = Uptight Christians to the power of ASSHOLE, MINUS factual docterine.

quote:Originally posted by Wings Of Azrael:

God gives you the choice. It is yours to make. God says some are destined for unbelief. It doesn't say those who are destined are predetermined. It is their own choice.



Do you have any idea at all what the definition of 'destined' is?

"Doomed" to unbelief would be a more accurate description.

quote:Originally posted by mythblaster:

lol, sarco, i agree with you...

are you a christian? yup

quote:it sort of sounds like you are, but you have a problem with christians who are uptight...that would be way cool, and i don't remember coming across folks like that... yup again, and that's mostly because most people aren't that way, there is some theory going around that if you're a believer then you're required by God Himself to be a smart-ass know-it-all pompous ass.

quote:i escaped after 18 years of fundamentalist christianity...man, i feel sorry for all those sweet little kiddies who are brainwashed and live in homes like the one i grew up in...

My too, would make me ecstatic if every kid grew up under the guidance and love of open-minded christian parents like mine. The world would be a better place, people wouldn't feel the need to "escape" christianity.

Kike: What I am saying is since God gave us the choice as to believe or not believe, he knew some would be destined for unbelief.

Sarcophagus: My my, as the Christian turns. You go from telling me to not condemn and be accepting, to condemning me? And then you insult my intelligence when you can't even spell the easier words of the english language? Nice, how Christian of you. Calling me asshole and then insulting my religion as well? Your philosophy on your religion seems to be somewhat of a paradox.*mulls over the Christian doctrine as I am sure Kike mulls over Christian and Muslim doctrines* You are hardly a follower of Christ(pbuh). You are only Christian in claim dear lady.

Mythblaster: Original sin is a Christian thing. Muslims don't subscribe to such garbage and I don't think Jews do either. So they were kicked out of paradise...it was because of Eve. Adam(pbuh) was still an upright man of God and a prophet and he beget many descendants and lived a good life. Anyone who provokes the wrath of God deserves it, plain and simple. No one is holding a gun to your head are they? No. Do you believe? Obviously not since you are highly critical of God.

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I think you made the mistake of confusing INSULTS with condemnation... I don't pretend to believe that you'll go to hell for being a jerk.

quote:Originally posted by Wings Of Azrael:

Kike: What I am saying is since God gave us the choice as to believe or not believe, he knew some would be destined for unbelief.



Don't forget the y.

But, if he knew that some of us were destined to not choose belief and would 'burn in hell for all eternity,' why even bother giving the choice at all?

If he loves his creations, why would he damn them to hell for making a choice that he allowed them to do in the first place?

Kikey: He wants to see who is loyal to Him. He gives you the choice of coming to Him on your own. If you don't that is fine. If you do you will be among the righteous in the heavens. Hell is a horrible place of chastisement, but it could also be used for purification. God can even grant you mercy from hell.

The Prophet said, 'Some people who will be scorched by Hell (Fire) as a punishment for sins they have committed, and then Allah will admit them into Paradise by the grant of His Mercy. These people will be called, 'Al-Jahannamiyyiin' (the people of Hell).' (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, ONENESS, UNIQUENESS OF ALLAH (TAWHEED), Volume 9, Book 93, Number 542)

*yawn*

Once you leave your body consciously during this incarnation, once you astral project for the first time... Christianity fades away like dust in the wind.

Then it's there... one thing after another, so many... similarities. You start seeing an alternative view on what happens beyond physical. You forget all that you THOUGHT you know, and try so hard to accept that you know NOTHING.

Once you know the truth and see through the misinterpretations, and look for the similarities and look past the endless pages of mind-destroying dogma, you will feel a sense of realization. An intense feeling, your head buzzing, your energy flowing...

Then you start looking around you. These people, talking, worshipping, so blindly in love with something they'd condemn the salem witches for being even closer with than they were. Their judgement is fit, abandoning their own "judge not less ye be judged" rule. We see it today. The "problem" with gays marrying. We see their power, and there's nothing we can do to take them down. They have killed those of us who tried, they have slaughtered them all.

You see them "spreading the 'truth'". You see them trying to "save" you from the destiny they believe you have. You see them forcing their views on you, no matter how much they sugarcoat it, trying to shut down your mind, stop you from questioning or thinking, and pierce your third eye with their metal crosses of bullshit.

Once you see past the lies, you feel no need to argue. Only pity, and the feeling of wanting to show them more, but not knowing how to do it. But you can't. It's already in their mind as fact and they'll never abandon their belief,

and some of them won't let you get away, either.

There is no hell. Unless you create one for yourself...

If he wanted everyone to be loyal to Him, why not just create them loyal?

Kikey: If you created everyone loyal, you couldn't test their loyalty. Create everyone of free will with the choice of belief, and the truth would stand out from clear err. As I said it possible for purification and to be granted respite from eternal hell. Notice the following...



11:106

So as to those who are unhappy, they shall be in the fire; for them shall be sighing and groaning in it:

11:107

Abiding therein so long as the heavens and the earth endure, except as your Lord please; surely your Lord is the mighty doer of what He intends.

11:108

And as to those who are made happy, they shall be in the garden, abiding in it as long as the heavens and the earth endure, except as your Lord please; a gift which shall never be cut off.



Note that Heaven is "a gift which shall never be cut off" (11:108), whereas Hell lasts only so long "as your Lord please" (11:107).

quote:Originally posted by Wings Of Azrael:

Kikey: If you created everyone loyal, you couldn't test their loyalty.

Naturally. But why would you want to test their loyalty?

quote: Create everyone of free will with the choice of belief, and the truth would stand out from clear err.

Please clarify, as I don't quite understand what you're trying to say.



quote:Note that Heaven is "a gift which shall never be cut off" (11:108), whereas Hell lasts only so long "as your Lord please" (11:107).



That sounds much more realistic than eternal damnation.

I still don't understand why there would be a need for any hell in the first place.

If you were in the position of the Most High, would you not wanna see who would be greatful and loyal to you for their existence? You could never see that otherwise. The truth will stand out from clear err...those who are thankful and believe will stand out from those who are ungreatful and those who don't believe. Hell is there as punishment for the unbelievers. God will not grant respite to everyone. He is the best of judges and He does as He pleases.

I am considering taking world religions and ancient greek when I start at Varsity next year. (much to my parents disappointment). I want to understand what it is I believe. But if its at the cost of my faith, then fuck it. It seems that the more man fills his head, the more he empties his heart. (apologies for the nongender-neutral thing.) My belief is based on a personal experience with that which I call God. Some will call it blind faith, I dunno, things seem a lot more clearer. Im a simple guy and I dont weigh myself down with doctrine and evangelising, and Im a pretty laid back guy. Sarc, if you dont like the way the tightass christians try and tell you how you should believe, you need to be willing to do the same and not come down on them for what they call evangelising. Lets all be content with what we believe and be secure enough to let human spirituality fight the human condition.

Just a thought.

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Evangelising is great... damning people to hell for perhaps not understanding or just seeing things from a different point of view is BULLSHIT... my problems with it are that:

1. it's false, man has NO RIGHT to say who will be accepted into the kingdom of heaven.

and

2. people like that do FAR more damage to the cause of God than non-believers do. They are blindly acting as instruments of the devil.

1. it's false, man has NO RIGHT to say who will be accepted into the kingdom of heaven.

You just keep on believing that you can do anything and still make it. People who deny God will never be in God's company. If you believe otherwise, then you have more problems than you know.

2. people like that do FAR more damage to the cause of God than non-believers do. They are blindly acting as instruments of the devil.

You are seriously deluded. Instruments of the devil are those believers who sacrifice their beliefs to make everyone a part of something. That is what fucking Paul did in the new testament and this why it is so corrupt. Paul, a person who never met the Christ(pbuh), taking over as the head of a new jewish sect and contaminating it beyond belief. Paul and his teachings are more anti-Jesus than anything I have read before. Christ(pbuh) came not to change the law, but to fulfill it. Christianity wasn't never meant to be a different religion. And all Paul did was corrupt it by repudiating the laws of Moses(pbuh) about food, and by repudiating the circumcision which was forever ordained by God to be the mark of father Abraham(pbuh) and his progeny. Paul founded Christianity, not Christ(pbuh). Christ(pbuh) worshipped as all the Prophets(pbuta) did before him and said, 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind'...Paul founded something that greek and roman pagans could find more accessible and it became known as pauline Christianity. To me a Christian is a true follower of Christ(pbuh), not only word but in action, and doesn't get sucked into all the dogmas (i.e. trinity) that surround it. Live as Christ(pbuh) lived, follow what he taught and you will be a model for mankind.

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Dude...



Why the FUCK do you keep saying "pbuh"?

quote:Originally posted by Fuck:

Dude...



Why the FUCK do you keep saying "pbuh"?

Apparently, pbuh means "Peace Be Upon Him," a common thing to add onto the end of famous people's names.

quote:Originally posted by Fuck:

Dude...



Why the FUCK do you keep saying "pbuh"?

Just another rediculous way some people make themselves sound/feel intelligent... sort of like using archiac terminology like, "hath"

Ya notice how he really doesn't answer challenges against him with a fitting answer? Instead just sorta dances around them, and when all else fails tosses in an "well aren't you a clueless little person" or a "oh yee of little faith" assuming that HE is closer to God Himself than I? That HE is more spiritually developed and inclined to interpret the word of God more clearly and correctly than I? He is a foolhardy egotist.

Sacrilege:

Just another rediculous way some people make themselves sound/feel intelligent... sort of like using archiac terminology like, "hath"

PBUH = Peace Be Upon Him

It is said only after the names of God's prophets, angels, and messengers. It is a custom of Islam. Not some way to feel intelligent. With the lack of understanding of your own religion, I can't expect you to know and understand the customs of mine.

Sacrilege:

Ya notice how he really doesn't answer challenges against him with a fitting answer? Instead just sorta dances around them, and when all else fails tosses in an "well aren't you a clueless little person" or a "oh yee of little faith" assuming that HE is closer to God Himself than I? That HE is more spiritually developed and inclined to interpret the word of God more clearly and correctly than I? He is a foolhardy egotist.

What have I danced around exactly? I am no closer to God than any of you, but I do believe I show him more respect and reverence. Foolhardy egotist? No. I have no ego. I have faith in my God and nothing else. If you have something to challenge me on do it. I welcome all challenges. And there is nothing you have challenged me on that I have not responded to. And yes, I do think I interpret the word of God better than you. No one who takes God's laws or commands liberally are true believers. That = 1/2 believer maybe. Knowing that you are doing something against God and then trying to justify it with some complete nonsense is garbage. I believe in all the scriptures, I don't just use the ones I like. As I am sure you have a few picked that you like to read to make you feel better about the stuff you do against God...and to make you feel like there is no unpardonable sin.



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quote:Originally posted by Sarcophagus:

damnation, chastisement, hellfire, brimstone, punishment, blah blah fuckidy BLAH.... what the hell is wrong with some of you believers? Did you forget to go out and buy a copy of "How to Win Friends and Influence Heathens"?!

You make God seem like such a wanker, like He's sitting up there with a cattle prod just dripping with anticipation for the moment he gets to zap our asses straight to hell...

LIGHTEN UP already, being a Christian and believing in God shouldn't make you such killjoys. It should make you HAPPY! There are some pretty fuckin cool aspects of being a believer that you seem to have forgotten... Some of the bullocks you guys spread, geezus, instead of encouraging these guys and giving them the TRUTH you just damn them to hell... how do you sleep at night?

Who are you talking to. There are very few believers in this forum who are xian.

There are plenty of believers who don't even belong to any religeon. Like me.

I am fairly sure she was talking to me, even though I am Muslim.

quote:Originally posted by ---Beany---:

Who are you talking to. There are very few believers in this forum who are xian.

There are plenty of believers who don't even belong to any religeon. Like me.

Me as well. I love this forum though, you get to see so many different viewpoints, and help people question their own beliefs (if they can handle doing it)

quote:Originally posted by Wings Of Azrael:

I believe in all the scriptures, I don't just use the ones I like.

By "believing in" the scriptures, does that mean you believe God said them or does it mean you follow them? Because if you do follow ALL of them, according to Exodus 21:17: "Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death", you should be grabbing an M-16 and spraying most of the teenage population of America with holy bullets of justice.

According to Leviticus 20:17 "If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads." You should be killing gays as well. Forget banning their marriage, God clearly said to murder them. Does this apply to lesbians? No way dude, God totally digs the chicks.

Exodus 31:14 "Observe the Sabbath, because it is holy to you. Anyone who desecrates it must be put to death; whoever does any work on that day must be cut off from his people." There are plenty of these sinners who work in the mall on the sabbath. The best way to ensure they all die would just be to blow up the whole mall. Sure other civillians would die, but does it matter? I'm sure most of them probably cursed their parents at some point in their life anyways.

You say you follow every single scripture in the bible, so why do you not choose to follow these ones? Because God was commanding those in power to do it? Or maybe he was only commanding the people of that time when it was written to do it. Which would mean the ten commandments also wouldn't apply to us, right? OR, are you just not doing it because you would be arrested in our society. By seeing these kinds of people everyday around you and not killing them, you are surely disobeying the scriptures, Disobeying the Lord, and that would mean you're going to hell, correct?

Or would you like to clarify what "believing in all the scriptures" means to you...

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I take the Torah to be Holy, as well as the Old Testament. If God does something I don't understand, I don't question it. That is not my place. I accept it and understand that He has a good reason for everything He does. The New Testament is shaky. I do not believe Paul at all. And I think that even some of the words of Jesus(pbuh) have been corrupted by Paul and his nasty followers. According to scholars 66.3% of the new testament is accurate and only 55% of the gospels are deemed accurate. And what is most shaky are the quotes attributed to Jesus(pbuh) himself...they have estimated only 18% of words spoken by Jesus(pbuh) in the new testament, were actually spoken by him. And I am sure it is Paul's fault. Paul destroyed the beautiful teachings of Jesus(pbuh). I hold the Gospel of Thomas in high esteem as it is quotes only attributed to Jesus(pbuh). I consult the Holy Quran in all matters. To me, it is the seal of divine prophecies. I hold that Jews, Christians, and Muslims all recieved divine revelations. Since the Jews denied Christ(pbuh), God had to send something to the follwers of him to guide them on their way (except it was completely perverted by Paul) to God, and but since it was contaminated and mired in blasphemous religious doctrine (i.e. the trinity, son of God, original sin, etc.), God sent the Holy Quran as a final revelation to end all disputes that were contained in the other revelations. I'm not even sure if you even asked about that stuff, but there it is anyways. So yes, I believe the Torah and Old Testament to be factual and truthful and the Torah is to been seen as law for the Jews. It should have been law for the Christians as Christ(pbuh) came to fulfill the law, not destroy it. But then Paul happened and did anything to convert people. I guess he thought it was up to him to destroy the law. The Holy Quran speaks highly of the Torah but it doesn't say specifically to follow the laws, most orthodox Muslims do except with the Sabbath. But the rest of the laws are found elsewhere separately in the Holy Quran, if not exactly, with the same principal at least. So there. I hope that explained everything although I am not sure if it did.

Wing of Azrael, why do you think that it is not your place to question things. If one does not question, one can not hope to learn anything at all. If you blindly accept everything you have been taught by your religion, then you are denying youself that most basic part of human nature: The ability to think, and the will to think. Wake up to yourself, and open up your mind.

Wings of Azrael, i dont seee how you can blindly accept what you have been taught by your religion. If you just accept it without question, then you are denying yourself that which is most precious to any person: The ability to think and listen to what you yourself can come up with in your own mind.

Said it before and I'll say it again:

Logic?

Fundamentalists have no use for such frivolties.

My ability to think and seek knowledge is not hampered by God. I do not question His actions, I accept them and the fact that there is a reason for them. Fanatics can be fanatical about about anything, it doesn't have to be religion. But I would say that most people here are fanatically anti-religious.

damn Romans and their 17th century enlgish language...

Yeah, god testing people to see who is loyal to him, and them give them a prize if they are? No thanks...I dont want to be part of this 'game'. If I burn in hell for not wanting to participate in this ego-fest of gods so be it. It's like some sort of idiotic Diety-power trip "Existence Survivor". No thanks.

i'm feeling the love y'all.

You people talk about Christians being uptight when yall are more uptight than the Priests. Wings has a point on alot of stuff and plus he understands Christianity when he is a totally diffrent religion, but then again I personally think yall are threatened by him. Plus if you people actually read the bible you'd know we can all go to Heaven if we truly want to be forgiven. When Jesus was being crusified there were two other men one was a burglar and i don't remember what the other one was. If you read the bible you would know when they were being crusified the burgular asked if he could be forgiven and Jesus knew he meant it, so while the other guy went to hell the burglar went to Heaven with Jesus. Now thank you for your time which you should be using to read about this stuff before you talk about it, but instead your sitting at your computer reading my reply.

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Shit, can't we all just get along? While I admire your belief, Wings Of Azrael, and I understand that one of the tenants of the Islamic faith is to spread the word, you're not gonna change these people's minds, man. People are generally way too hard headed to be swayed by argument, it instead requires extensive knowledge on the subject and personal experience.

As for those questioning his faith, is that really necessary? A persons beliefs give their minds a sort of structural integrity and a natural buffer against corruption. You just gotta accept that some people think different things, man. Not everything has to follow the hard casuality of present times.

I just cant bring myself to follow a "god of love" who:

1. gets mad at a Pharaoh and decides to strike down every 1st born son.(murder children)

2. asks one of his devoted followers to sacrafice his own son; just to test his faith.(then at the last minute says "oh just kidding. Here's a nice lamb instead.")

3. who says: Exodus 20:5 "I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God." Then turns around and says: 1 Corinthians 13:4-5 "Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs." (all aboard. Now departing the hypocrisy express!!)

and these are just a few reasons of why I sought other beliefs.

also by the way the word "hell" doesn't appear in the bible. The bible speaks of the lake of fire and eternal damnation, but never uses the word hell.

anyways to each his own.