If you have faith, what is your definition of it, and how do you decide to have faith in one belief and not another?

-Easy

Faith is not logically consistent.

One can have faith in one thing and not another, despite the fact that they are equally credible and have equal merit.

Faith is believing what you know isn't true.

You generally have the faith that's most ably promoted to you, whether by your parents or some outside agent.

Faith is undying belief and trust in God, whom unbelievers can not disprove, and whom believers will never have enough proof of for them.

quote:Originally posted by RIGHTEOUS IMPIETY:

Faith is believing what you know isn't true.

Faith is believing in what you don't know to be true or not.

quote:Originally posted by Wings Of Azrael:

Faith is undying belief and trust in God, whom unbelievers can not disprove, and whom believers will never have enough proof of for them.

No fair using terms like "prove" or "disprove" that presuppose reason..

..unless you explain how they apply to faith of course.

-Easy

Faith is a gut / heart feeling thats something feels right whether the brain agree's with it or not.

Faith is believing what you want to believe, whether it makes sense or not, and not caring what others think of it. Basically faith is a crock of shit

Faith means you believe in something. You can also believe in something negative, like "God doesn't exist". But this is really the same thing, of course, as saying you don't believe. Belief then becomes unbelief. So, do you believe or not believe?

It really doesn't matter, because belief can be seen as unbelief, or faith can be seen as lack of faith.

No matter what you can find to believe in, I can find a reason not to believe in it, as has been demonstrated over and over in history. You can never overcome this fact.

So is there anything to believe in? Yes, it is this idea about faith. God is this idea that there is no final support for anything, except this. Then this becomes your final support.

This is pure faith, without an object. Or you can call it unfaith.

quote:Originally posted by bkc:

Faith means you believe in something.

Nice to see you again, bkc.

So, there is no difference in believing in something you can see as opposed to something you can't?

-Easy

Faith is believing what you want to believe, whether it makes sense or not, and not caring what others think of it. Basically faith is a crock of shit.

You had faith in your internet connection to post that, and probably faith in your eyes, or sicience, or reason, or man, or yourself.

Faith is just your inborn assumptions of whatyou believe to be a reliable perspective.

And why do people keep insisting that religion and spirituality are based on "Faith" and have nothing to do with experience? People EXPERIENCE nonphysical reality. Thats what religion is supposed to be, not tired debating of ideas.

quote:Originally posted by Spirit of '22:

Faith is just your inborn assumptions...

...And why do people keep insisting that religion and spirituality are based on "Faith" and have nothing to do with experience?

Are you saying religion is based on reason?

No. Reason is cold and dead and rational. But it is based on experience.

Modern religions are hardly religions at all, and so are based on faith, because man has lost his spiritual faculties. The eyes people once used to percieve the religious world are atrophied. So, I would of course concede that blind faith is the basis of today's religions, at least in the West. But the concept of religion, and religions in the traditional world, were based on experience. Today people just believe in the experience of other people. They used to experience it themselves.

quote:Originally posted by Easy Going:

Nice to see you again, bkc.

So, there is no difference in believing in something you can see as opposed to something you can't?

-Easy[/B]

Thanks. See Spirit is back too, which is nice.

I can't answer your question "yes" or "no". I can't fill out multiple choice tests or questionaires either. I can, but they don't really make much sense to me.

So I will rephrase your question and say, "In what way is it different, and in what way is it the same, in believing in something you can see as opposed to something you can't see?"

Do you want to look at the differences, or the samenesses? Obviously there are differences, one glaring difference, but

the samenesses may not be so obvious. (And as a side note, the more subtle influences usually turn out to be more important in the long run.)

I'll leave it there for now to see if this resonates at all with you.

I don't think that is going to resonate with me. Maybe because we have different definitions of reason.

Inductive reasoning based on the law of identity that starts with sensory perception or introspection is reason. Belief not based in that is irrational and some call it faith just to fool themselves about the nature of their evasion.

What do you consider similar between the perceived and the “made up”?

-Easy

quote:Originally posted by Easy Going:

What do you consider similar between the perceived and the “made up”?

-Easy

Vibration

^please explain

The question is not very specific, but something that is percieved, because it is "real", and something that is thought up, or made up, are both made of, or can be explained as vibrations. One, the vibration of "real matter", and the other, the vibrations of thoughts. Which is more real from the vibrational point of view?

Faith

n.

- Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence.



- Often Faith Christianity. The theological virtue defined as secure belief in God and a trusting acceptance of God's will.

- The body of dogma of a religion: the Muslim faith.

Faith is knowing there is no hope, and then relying on something youve never seen or experienced before.

I thought faith and trust were synonymous. I'm pretty sure you dont need a difinition of trust.

quote:If you have faith,

By definition (dictionary), everyone here has faith...

Everyone has belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence?

Yes. There is no proof that scientists are not lying to you, or that you are seeing or hearing their argument, or that they even actually exist beyond your perception of them, but you have faith that what you see and hear and read is the truth.

quote: Everyone has belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence?

You have enough faith that you posted that messege. You believe that an entity that goes by the name of "Rust" exists (or anyone else for that matter); when you have no possible way to prove it. Think Descartes..

That's not faith, that's logical expectation.

For instance, there is an astronomically high probability that the sun will set tonight. It has done so for billions of years and I have no logical reason whatsoever to doubt that.

It does not take "faith" to believe that it will set, as per the definition of faith.

Faith can only exist in a logicless, reasonles, evidency absent void. If there is legitamate valid evidence indicating what one places faith in is true and there are logical reasons to suspect it, then it no longer counts as faith because there is actual reasoning going on.

An example of faith would be jumping out of a plane at 10,000 feet without a parachute and expecting not to die or be seriously injured.

Is it possible that you will not die? Yes it is, but it's a really extremely fucking slim probability. People have lived before when their parachutes didn't deploy at all, so it is indeed possible, yet highly improbable.

Now it would take a great deal of faith to jump out of that plane with no safety mechanism whatsoever, just yourself, and realistically expect that you will not die or at least be horribly fucked up as a result of the inevitable impact. There are no reasonable rational reasons to suspect that you would come out unscathed.

Merriam-Webster Dictionary:

"Main Entry: 1faith

Pronunciation: 'fAth

Function: noun

Inflected Form(s): plural faiths /'fAths, sometimes 'fA[th]z/

Etymology: Middle English feith, from Old French feid, foi, from Latin fides; akin to Latin fidere to trust -- more at BIDE

Date: 13th century

1 a : allegiance to duty or a person : LOYALTY b (1) : fidelity to one's promises (2) : sincerity of intentions

2 a (1) : belief and trust in and loyalty to God (2) : belief in the traditional doctrines of a religion b (1) : firm belief in something for which there is no proof (2) : complete trust "

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Dark_Magneto, I await your proof of my existence.



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So Dark_, what is it? Do you have faith or not? I really want to know.