Answer this, christians who believe in predistination...

If god is Kind, loving, omnipotent,omnipresent,onmicsient, omniomni, And things are prediestined, that means god Has damned thousands of pagans, Athiests, Morons, Agnostics, Nazis, And Lawyers to hell, and has only left those of the christian faith Ascending on A stairway of light. That seems a bit... Brutal... doesn't it?

I can answer this as well as any Christian, but I am Muslim. But in my opinion the abrahamic faiths (judiasm/christianity/islam) were progressive and ended with islam. God is all those things you listed and then some. Brutal, no. He gave everyone a chance to believe, it was their choice not to. It's at your own freewill. If it wasn't like that, then no one's faith and belief would be tested. To paraphrase Christ Jesus(peace be upon him), broad is the path and narrow is the way.

I say you spin-offs actually took a step backward.

quote:Originally posted by Iandefor:

Answer this, christians who believe in predistination...

If god is Kind, loving, omnipotent,omnipresent,onmicsient, omniomni, And things are prediestined, that means god Has damned thousands of pagans, Athiests, Morons, Agnostics, Nazis, And Lawyers to hell, and has only left those of the christian faith Ascending on A stairway of light. That seems a bit... Brutal... doesn't it?

No. It would mean that God has an immutable standard not up for human debate.

It kinda depends on what your perception of hell is. I see it as the second death, where you cease to exist forever. And that's just God giving you what you want, to be seperated from him.

Hell? What the She'ol is that? http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif)

(And while im here people, check that Zionist rapper, I posted the link to his MP3 in rock and roll)

If he is omnipotent, that how can we comprehend the idea of hell?

God is only as compassionate as, "Do as I say or pay the price." Doesn't sound like the all-merciful, ever-loving Lord I heard described in Church. Perhaps the pastor was....fibbing a bit?

Generally speaking, organized religions suck. That is, they are about power, fear, and denial. Their god is largely cruel, arbitrary, and generally fucking petty.

That is a keynote of the age of Pisces, which is finally winding down after 2000 miserable years.

The real god, the gnostic one which resides in us all, is loving and creative, and neither judges nor punishes.

I like how your classic God knows whether you will become [insert religion here] or not before yuo exist based on the brain configuration he will design for you to have, and judge you accordingly based on how that brain he made functions.

He already knows who will be damned or saved because he is designing the brains and he knows ahead of time all the factors they will experience throughout their development so he effectively decides who's damned and who's saved, making the choice in the matter irrevelant because what you say you chose was actually a prescribed action you are completely oblivious to.

He already knows at 10:00 a.m. on Sunday, Jose Johnson will become a convicted Mormon. Jose thinks he has made the choice, but it was all divinely preordained because such a God has an omnicience script that must be fulfilled, which excludes any choice other than what the omnicience script dictates and thus negating free-will.

For one I don't believe in predestination, John calvin was a heretic. No I think people determine their place in heaven. All their actions are equally recorded in heaven as they are in earth.

An aside: Happy Rosh Hashannah kikey and the rest of th jews who frequent totse. I hope the year 5764 is good for you.