Do you have sex before marriage?

If so, why?

I don't think there's a human alive who doesn't have sex before marriage.

Least of all christians, their kids fuck like rabbits.

quote:Originally posted by Kikey_Kikeowitz:

I don't think there's a human alive who doesn't have sex before marriage.

Least of all christians, their kids fuck like rabbits.

Actually a close friend of mine who is christian doesn't believe in pre-marital sex. He's had a girlfriend for almost 2 years now.

I've spoken with people who have tried this and when they finally had sex, their sex lives were literally ruined and they could just never enjoy it. They regretted waiting so long, and it fucked everything up.

...To be honest, I think this belief is so goddamn stupid that I won't even waste my time putting an argument into words.

To each their own.

If you read the Bible, it doesn't say anything about premarital sex, only adultery.

Adultery

n

Voluntary sexual intercourse between a married person and a partner other than the lawful spouse.

So if you subscribe to Christian guidelines, and noone in the relationship is married to someone other than the intended partner or neither party is married, feel free to fuck away.

Interesting. I would anyway.

quote:Originally posted by Dark_Magneto:

If you read the Bible, it doesn't say anything about premarital sex, only adultery.

Adultery

n

Voluntary sexual intercourse between a married person and a partner other than the lawful spouse.

So if you subscribe to Christian guidelines, and noone in the relationship is married to someone other than the intended partner or neither party is married, feel free to fuck away.Not true.

There are numerous passages in the Bible disallowing sexual contact before a legal marraige.

To answer the thread - I have had sex before marraige. My explanation is that I have no explanation and that my actions were nonetheless inexcusable.

It's hard to say whether or not God expects us to follow His decree for abstinence. He has made similar decrees about respecting one's parents and prohibiting stealing - but nearly all of us are guilty of these sins on occasion. God realizes these are sins committed continuously "right under His nose," so I suppose He's pretty sure we'll break our promises to stay abstinant.

It's not so much what we do that God concerns Himself with, although it is fair to say there is truckloads of concern there. We commit these sins anyway - it's that we always end up with Him by the end of the day, honest with ourselves about our shortcomings and asking Him for forgiveness regarding them.

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What I don't understand is how this god character supposeably makes it his business to turn your own personal blowjob into a great offense against him personally.

Where's the logic in that?

I bet the guys who wrote those laws in the bible were just so angry because they were tied down to their bitchy wives, that they felt everyone who was not married and having sex should suffer so they said it's against God (because they were jealous of them).

yup yup.

Actually I really don't know, but that would be funny now wouldn't it?

quote:Originally posted by Fuck:

Actually I really don't know, but that would be funny now wouldn't it?

Haha, all those people who actually stop themselves from having sex before marriage. Going crazy with sexual desire and not being able to do anything about it. All because the authors of the bible couldn't get there end away.

What a fantastic way to get revenge on the human race.

Actually it works real well in regular societies. None of you are accustomed even to the idea of them though- In real civilizations (read- in civilizations before 1960) men and women were traditionally segregated at puberty, and rarely interacted with eachother outside of the family. Premarital sex was barely an issue, because women were not an issue to men, and men not an issue to women.

Also- duh assholes. People in Biblical times got married when they were 16 and 14. Thats not an unreasonable restriction that has no regard for someones sexual development, its actually quite consistent with it. We are out of sync because the idea of having responsibilty before the age of 30.

quote:Originally posted by Dark_Magneto:

What I don't understand is how this god character supposeably makes it his business to turn your own personal blowjob into a great offense against him personally.

Where's the logic in that?

Well considering you've skipped about 8 steps in the reasoning process, there's no logic in that at all.

Imagine me saying "we went to war with Iraq because a handful of Middle Eastern guys got on a couple airplanes a few years ago."

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quote:Originally posted by Fuck:

I bet the guys who wrote those laws in the bible were just so angry because they were tied down to their bitchy wives, that they felt everyone who was not married and having sex should suffer so they said it's against God (because they were jealous of them).

yup yup.

Actually I really don't know, but that would be funny now wouldn't it?

hahaha

There was this one joke about the Pope going to Heaven.

God granted him one wish for being such a devout follower, and the Pope said he wanted to read every book in the Bible in its original language, the way it was originally worded. And he was granted the privilege.

After a few days someone walked in on him and noticed him crying.

"What's wrong, John Paul?"

"The verse says "be celebrant in the Lord!"

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That was pretty gay.

As was your magnificently incorrect spiel about how men and women have stayed separated in public for the most part until 1960.

I suppose you have actual backing besides your imagination for that claim, by the way?

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quote:Originally posted by Direckshun:

Imagine me saying "we went to war with Iraq because a handful of Middle Eastern guys got on a couple airplanes a few years ago."





Haha, I love the comparison, although I'm not 100% sure how it relates.

Anyway.

As was your magnificently incorrect spiel about how men and women have stayed separated in public for the most part until 1960.

I suppose you have actual backing besides your imagination for that claim, by the way?



...History.

quote:Originally posted by Direckshun:

hahaha

There was this one joke about the Pope going to Heaven.

God granted him one wish for being such a devout follower, and the Pope said he wanted to read every book in the Bible in its original language, the way it was originally worded. And he was granted the privilege.

After a few days someone walked in on him and noticed him crying.

"What's wrong, John Paul?"

"The verse says "be celebrant in the Lord!"

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What a shitty joke. It doesn't even make sense, it's a horrible play on words. The real joke is as follows.

A young monk asked his superior one day, "Father, how do we know that what we are taught is in its original form? Could it have changed over time?" The Father says that he will go to the monastery vault and check their copies of the bible with the original, which has been locked away for centuries. After he does not return for several days, the monks enter the vault, and they find the elder monk sitting with the books, crying. When asked why, he says, "The word...is celebrate!

Thank you.

Yes, I have sex before marriage.

I won't have children before marriage, simply because I want them to grow up in a stable family environment.

(And yes, I realise that around 50% of marriages end up in divorce. I'd like to believe that I won't make that commitment before she and I are fully ready. Yes, I have the contract for paving Hell's driveway.)

In this age of contraception, the most obvious consequences of premarital sex (unwanted pregnancy, STD transmission) are less of a risk. So go for it.

I agree with Spirit of '22, except on the part about segregation. That would have been limited to certain social classes. And even then, not that strictly enforced much of the time.

quote:Originally posted by Spirit of '22:

...History.

How convenient that it's only in European history that you find such a thing.

I suppose you can't call the pasts of the lesser races history?

quote:Originally posted by Dark_Magneto:

If you read the Bible, it doesn't say anything about premarital sex, only adultery.

Adultery

n

Voluntary sexual intercourse between a married person and a partner other than the lawful spouse.

So if you subscribe to Christian guidelines, and noone in the relationship is married to someone other than the intended partner or neither party is married, feel free to fuck away.

Close but no banana http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif)

DM, the etymology of the word 'Adultery' leads one back to the word Adulterate, meaning - to corrupt, and having read of the "corruption that is in the world through lust", and having seen and felt the tragic results of lust, I cannot agree with your conclusion. http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif)

Beany - sex is marriage, it's not a ceremony, read about it. In the ancient's words one 'knew' their spouse, no ceremony, no bits of paper. No marriage is considered consumated/complete without sexual union.

Sex is marriage http://www.totse.com/bbs/tongue.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/tongue.gif)

How convenient that it's only in European history that you find such a thing.

I suppose you can't call the pasts of the lesser races history?

Chinese, American Indians, Aztecs, Arabs, Hindus, and Japanese also. Every civilization, actually.

You guys are missing the freaking point of the joke, LMAO.

It wasn't to entertain you. Good lord I could honestly care less if you fellows are entertained. You probably entertain yourself just fine. Whoever I quoted had made the point that someone during history might have changed the Bible just so no one else could have sex. I was amused and recalled a joke I heard that made the same point.

Geez - and it was called "gay" by a man who makes up facts with no sources to back it up, and it was called "shitty" by a guy who knew the same damn joke. The reasoning of this place occasionally astounds me.

Spirit - I am well aware you're citing history. Do you have a source that backs up that claim or not? Because it runs completely counter to a whole lot of modern thought.

That's all I'm asking - do you have anything to back up your claim or not?

...Yes. I just named just about the entire world that agreed with me. You just disagree because it "goes against modern thinking." I consider just about everything that runs counter to modern ideas a good thing.

It's ok, Spirit, you can say it. No one here will laugh at you.

>>> "I don't have any sources I can cite to back my point up." <<<

That's all you have to say. Just say it.

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None of my books upstairs say the sky is blue, but its clearly true. Go talk to an old man. Go read any book set in any time period before the post war baby boom, excluding the Swing era. Go watch any movie set in any of the appropriate time periods. Read mythology. The bible, etc etc etc. Its literally everywhere.

Spirit,

It's obvious you don't have any sources. I can accept that. But you can't just make claims out of nowhere because you think you might have somehow possibly read something a few years back that you think just might somehow possibly support your point. It doesn't work that way.

As a matter of fact there are biology books that explain why the sky is blue. But I'm not asking you to back that up. I'm asking you to cite a source that will back up your claim that men and women have always been publicly segregated.

Surely you must be new to the rules of the game, because you need to cite a book or website that makes the same claim as you, and backs that up with evidence. The Bible makes no such claim, neither does Greek mythology - they only explain how we should live, and this is not evidence for how we do live.

It's obvious you don't have any sources. I can accept that. But you can't just make claims out of nowhere because you think you might have somehow possibly read something a few years back that you think just might somehow possibly support your point. It doesn't work that way.

Have you done what I told you yet? Talked to an old man? Read any book set in any time period other than the 20th century? In any biography of any historical figure before world war II or so, you will find almost no friendly, day to day association with the opposite sex. At puberty, men and women were segregated for lengthy periods to learn from the men or women what it meant to be a man or woman. Fuck, read Desmond MOrris, or a biography of the Caesars, or anything about ancient Germans, or Ramses, or the goddamn Godfather even.

The Bible makes no such claim, neither does Greek mythology - they only explain how we should live

Youve obviously never read anything wirrten before the 20thcentury then... There is no mention of female friends in The Iliad, for example.

What Spirit hasn't explained is why this segregation he claims is universal is preferable to what we have today.

Can I assume you have stopped your blind contrariness because you talked to an old guy or read a book?

Ok, first off Blue light's short wavelength causes it to get scattered around 10 times more by oxygen and nitrogen molecules than the longer wavelengths (like red) of the other colors visible to us. So the blue in the sky we see is scattered blue light. And it's not in any biology book, it's in an Astronomy book.

Second, I have had sex before marriage, both times, in one case I would not have got married if I had not had sex first, oh maybe it was not sex, because the court system seemed to let Bill Clinton off because he did not have sex (blowjobs are not sex anymore) so my second marrage I waited until after I got married http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif)

And Sex before marriage is a sin.

Hebrews 13:4: Marriage is honorable in all and bed undefiled but, whoremonkers and adulterers, God will judge. If the judge of this world sentences a man to imprisonment over a crime, you know what that means. God is warning from His Word now that if you do not keep your marriage bed pure, you are under judgment. If God judges you, who will deliver you from His hands? Granted that you might even marry that bitch, which does not give you the guarantee to have sexual relationship before marriage. It ruins your testimonies before others. It is against the will and plan of God for your life. God honors marriage too highly.

At least thats the christian God's point of view, and i don't believe in that crap, so I'm OK.

And even if i did, it's not Gods or Jesus (well jesus telling Gods word) word anyway people, Jesus never wrote a word, at least none that happen to survive. Accounts of his life are to be found only in the New Testament -- accounts which are anything but objective reports on events -- while only passing notice is given in other historical references. Those Biblical accounts were recorded long after his death through second or third hand recollections of, by then, old men reflecting back on their youth. So what your refering to now are not the teachings of God or Jesus, they are the teachings of contemporary church authorities , who have

infused the teachings with distorted interpretation, mythological nonsense, and counterproductive rationalization. We have truly bastardized what once was a good thing, and for what.........MONEY, glorious, riches, power beyond the relm of thought. Well the church got it, not me man, I'm still poor http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif)