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ArmsMerchant
2003-10-01, 06:48
For one thing, he isn't a he. We assign a gender to deity out of convenience or ignorance.
For another, God neither wears a red suit, nor smokes a pipe.
But mostly, God does not make a list of who's naughty and who's nice; nor does he reward good children and punish bad ones.
God is not about judging and rewarding and punishing. God loves us all the same and treats us all the same.
But... Santa is still real, right? Please, Arms, don't crush my childhood dreams.
Fascistsmasher
2003-10-01, 19:03
G-d is however a crazy cool diety. But yea, G-d is a non-anatomical spiritual being so assigning a gender, atleast the the Hebrew G-d was done solely out of linguistic convienience.
Spirit of '22
2003-10-01, 19:06
All of you sicken me. God treats and loves us all the same?! Why? That is always and only uttered out of a hatred of uniqueness and envy of quality.
And of course "God" is a Man. In the Biblical sense, he creates Adam in his image, and much later, creates Eve OF ADAM. And in any other Tradition, the spiritual, animating principle that breathes life into the feminine, material principle, is masculine.
Direckshun
2003-10-01, 19:46
I fail to see how loving everyone could be equated with hating diversity, Spirit.
Fascistsmasher
2003-10-01, 19:58
Acctually he created man in his image meaning man has free will and the ability to choose. If all men looked like G-d, well aside from the fact that G-d has absoulutely zero physical attributes, we would all look exactly the same and there would be no need for people like you spirit.
Recidivist
2003-10-01, 21:28
Originally posted by ArmsMerchant:
For one thing, he isn't a he. We assign a gender to deity out of convenience or ignorance.
Since a culture's diety doesn't exist physically, its imagined manifestation can be whatever gender they like. The genderless god you are speaking of is specific only to you and a very narrow segment of the world's population. You should be careful of making such generalizations. If I want, my god can be male, female, both, or neither.
For another, God neither wears a red suit, nor smokes a pipe.
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But mostly, God does not make a list of who's naughty and who's nice; nor does he reward good children and punish bad ones.
How do you know what god (I'm assuming you're talking about the modern christian concept of god, which again is a very narrow context) does or does not do? Since you are talking in a christian context however, and christians consider the old testament to be part of their religious canon, an example from the old testament will contradict your point. Consider Job, whom god singled out as being "nice," and treated him differently than other people because of it, first by punishing him and then by rewarding him. So actually the christian god does put people into categories (or did at one time).
God is not about judging and rewarding and punishing. God loves us all the same and treats us all the same.
A world where this was the case would be no different from a world in which there was no conception of a christian god at all. What does this tell you? A god which does nothing is no different from no god at all.
Also, the bible states that it IS the christian god's role to judge and to reward and punish. Read Revelations. Or all of the New Testament. If you're a christian, I don't think you're very familiar with your religion.
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ArmsMerchant
2003-10-02, 07:50
The Bible is wrong, and Christianity as it is practiced today is largely a sham.
lannibis02
2003-10-05, 06:01
i like santa. who doesnt like a fat jolly guy smokin a pipe and bringing people presents? now "god", who likes this dude- a fat not-so-jolly guy smokin nothin at all and bringing his wrath upon everyone... wtf?
noraa_boy
2003-10-05, 09:40
God judges people by the rules that he set up long ago at creation. He is a loving God, but he has to juggle it with justice as well.
ArmsMerchant
2003-10-05, 09:52
quote:Originally posted by noraa_boy:
God judges people by the rules that he set up long ago at creation. He is a loving God, but he has to juggle it with justice as well.
You mean "justice," like in condemning someone to eternal torment for eating a hamburger on Friday? That was the Catholic God of a few years ago.
Or "justice," as in killng off much of aa nice guy's family, and inflicting torment on him just to impress another spurious deity? See "The Book of Job."
Or how about the "justice" of demanding that the devout sexually mutilate their sons? Jews do that all the time--they call it circumcision.
For a few dozen more examples, read your bible. For a few thousand more, read some history.
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CindyBrady
2003-10-05, 16:50
If god is so great, how come he lets such awful things happen to people that are GOOD and try to serve him??? I used to, but now that I see he doesn't give a damn, fuck him! I know I'm on my own, unless somebody can prove different. ~Cindy! http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)
if god IS real, then doesnt that make santa claus automatically real too
werent they connected n some way?
Craftian
2003-10-06, 02:15
quote:Originally posted by ZEbbEDY:
if god IS real, then doesnt that make santa claus automatically real too
werent they connected n some way?
this post is funny for *so* many reasons.
You're probably referring to Saint Nicholas, yes? His relation to God being that he was a saint?
ArmsMerchant
2003-10-09, 16:38
quote:Originally posted by ZEbbEDY:
if god IS real, then doesnt that make santa claus automatically real too
werent they connected n some way?
Sure--Coca-Cola is "the real thing."
God is "the real thing."
Santa Claus as we know him was created first in a Coca-Cola ad.
My-Excuse
2003-10-10, 06:04
wow arms... u bash my thread then u make some shit bout santa clause and god? WTF? umm wow i duno how u got the idea they were even related and putting them in the same thread is pointless. at least my thread made sense.