When does the messiah show up? Do conditions need to be satisfied yet? Do you need to get all the Muslims off the Temple Mount?

I'm just wondering.

He never does.

apparently so. why wasn't moses ever considered the messiah?

Wouldn't it be cool if the Messiah and Jesus show up at the same time, and they have to duke it out to see who's the real Messiah? Ultimate pay-per-view.

quote:Originally posted by Dopenik:

Wouldn't it be cool if the Messiah and Jesus show up at the same time, and they have to duke it out to see who's the real Messiah? Ultimate pay-per-view.I saw that on "South Park".The messiah threw the fight after beating Jesus to a bloody pulp. http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif) http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif) http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif)

quote:Originally posted by Jungle_bunny:

Originally posted by Dopenik:

Wouldn't it be cool if the Messiah and Jesus show up at the same time, and they have to duke it out to see who's the real Messiah? Ultimate pay-per-view.I saw that on "South Park".The messiah threw the fight after beating Jesus to a bloody pulp. http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif) http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif) http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif)



That was Satan, not the messiah.

The belief is that - when certain prophecies are fullfilled - a messiah will come and all creatures will move up a stage in evolution, so to speak.

These prophecies haven't been fullfilled, is why the messiah hasn't come, but some believe they will be fullfilled soon.

Moses wasn't considered the messiah, because he wasn't the messiah. And moreover, it would've been more likely for Noah to be considered the messiah.

Also, Messianic Jews believe that the messiah has already come (Jesus Christ) and that there will be a second coming of the/a messiah.

Cheers,

Lost

it would be like celebrity death match!!

quote:Originally posted by Armed&Angry:

When does the messiah show up? Do conditions need to be satisfied yet? Do you need to get all the Muslims off the Temple Mount?

I'm just wondering.

i think that the messiah isnt really a man.

its just some really cool shit that happens when we can live in peace

"on earth as it is in heaven" -lords prayer

i think the reward of learning to love one another is just that. loving one another. so the gods wont need to come back really. the world is at one. but jesus and allah and god all rollin up in divine S600 benz would be pretty tight.

they have some divine beats blazin out of some majestic fifteens in the back. DAMN that would be so cool.

you can see that whenever you want just get alot of acid...

I just wanted to post a reply.

OK. Many prophecies concerning the day before moshiach's (the messiah, "annointed one" in Hebrew) coming, meaning his revelation as the messiah, him being unknown before that instant, yet could be famous as a rabbi, a scholar, a saint but not as the messiah, until his revelation.)

Now, there are two options brought up by the Talmud rabbis (tractate Sanhedrin P. Helek) mnemonically referring to the verses "poor and riding a donkey" and "on the sky's clouds".

If the generation is of good spiritual / ethical levels the collective reward will be the coming of the redemption without too much suffering, a birth without the birthspangs (could be compared to revolution without a bloodshed).

If the level of corruption -yes - is too deeply intricated within collective awareness it would take either a long time and/or lots of world-wide troubles before the planet reaches a sufficient degree of refinement so as to receive the infinite light of creative/destructive godliness on a collective scale as well as on an individual one.

Collective: birth and death of nations and empires. Individual: fate and "karma", numerous ways that providence uses to work on one's shape as the potter with clay.

One of the prophecies, in Yehzkiel I believe, "when you see the (holy land's) trees green and bearing fruit again, await him", actually this is the first time since Jerusalem Temple was destroyed some 2000 years ago (OyVay), all the generations ever since saw a land dry and barren.

There are stunning descriptions in the Talmud, Mishna and Gemora, especially the end of Mishna tractate Sotah (9th chap.) that describe our generation just with the same kind of accuracy as the vision of a George Orwell in his "1984", just that the Mishna's source dates back to Mount Sinai, some 3314 years ago according to the genealogy of the jewish people.

Talmudic sources also state that the final "redemption" (being a cosmic event) could have clothed itself in various ages and with various options of who would be the "messiah". As an example, if the people of Israel would not have screwed it after leaving Egypt, King Moses (yes! he had the status of a king besides that of a prophet) would have been the final Redemptor, and instead of wandering 40 years in the barrenness of the desert the people of Israel would have entered the Land that very year right after receiving the Tora at mount Sinai. Then there would have been no need for the Bible except for the Five books of Moses (pentateuch). And the Rabbis bring other examples of -possible- messiahs through history: Kings, Rabbis, prophets who did fit in the clearly defined parameters to access the position (as described in Maimonide's magnus opus, "Yad", last volume, laws of kings chap.8-9 ).

Actually the concept of the "messiah" ("annointed" king) is vague and seems so distant to who didn't learn it with the traditional tools of study, but it is indeed very precise and its compatibility with reality is not any more surprising than the strange parallel between the ten/eleven dimensions of the Kabalah (http://www.aish.com/spirituality/kabbala101/Kabbala_1_-_What_Is_Kabbala$.asp) and the ten/eleven dimensions and superstrings of today's scientifical speculations.

What could be said here? Well it's not the place...

Cheers, UrbnT



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