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Fallen Angel
2004-01-03, 20:05
How to be evil?

If you don`t pay attencion to others needs than your own is that beeing evil?

If you kill millions of people is that evil?

And God, The big God "almighty", can`t he destroy all evil? Or maybe he can`t?

But if he can`t but want,then he is not almighty,then he is powerless..

And that is not what a God should be..

But if he can but won`t than he is evil minded!

And if he both can`t or won`t than he is powerless and evil and is therefor no God..

But if he Wan`t and can, where does then evil come from? And why does he not he destroy it??

CesareBorgia
2004-01-03, 20:33
quote:Originally posted by Fallen Angel:

How to be evil?

If you don`t pay attencion to others needs than your own is that beeing evil?

If you kill millions of people is that evil?



We don't know what is "good" and "bad" from the universe's point of view. Our society labeled Christian virtues as "good" and Nietzschean/Lavey virtues as "evil", although to do so is an unfounded fallacy.

Viper229
2004-01-03, 20:43
quote:Originally posted by Fallen Angel:

How to be evil?

If you don`t pay attencion to others needs than your own is that beeing evil?

If you kill millions of people is that evil?

And God, The big God "almighty", can`t he destroy all evil? Or maybe he can`t?

But if he can`t but want,then he is not almighty,then he is powerless..

And that is not what a God should be..

But if he can but won`t than he is evil minded!

And if he both can`t or won`t than he is powerless and evil and is therefor no God..

But if he Wan`t and can, where does then evil come from? And why does he not he destroy it??



You are labling things evil.

Let me explain this in an easy way for you.

Good is good and nothing but good. Evil is the absence of good.

What you call "death" isnt evil. You label it so.

Life is life only, thus life never dies, in the absence of life there is what you call death.

The living never die, and death has no life.

Without death how would you know what life is?

If it exists it has an opposite. So if there is no such thing as death than there is no life. If there is no life there is no death.

To god there is no difference between good and bad. They are one and the same in varying degrees.

Everything is good, but God creates its opposite, what you call evil. So that at will you may experience evil and then you can better know/experience good.

kevinboyd
2004-01-03, 21:06
i may be way off, but isn't sin supposed to be evil?

Fallen Angel
2004-01-03, 22:54
quote:Originally posted by kevinboyd:

i may be way off, but isn't sin supposed to be evil?

Why should al sins be evil? All of the so-called sins,lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification!

Fallen Angel
2004-01-03, 23:06
quote:Originally posted by CesareBorgia:

We don't know what is "good" and "bad" from the universe's point of view. Our society labeled Christian virtues as "good" and Nietzschean/Lavey virtues as "evil", although to do so is an unfounded fallacy.

We "know" what is "good" and what is "bad" but that is only because of what we have bin brought up to belive..

If we had another religion than now we would know another reality than we do..

It al depends on what you learn as a child..

Therefore i think religion and beliving in some "God" you can not prove is real is wrong, making young children dream of an higher existence that has an never will exicst..

"Evil things" wil always exicst but in diffrent forms all depends on our upbringing... Diffrent people have diffrent wiews of "evil".. An person who likes cuting themselvs will not look at that as "evil" or a "sin" it makes that person happy and It leads to an physical, mental, or emotional gratification, thats what matters...

Fallen Angel
2004-01-03, 23:17
quote:Originally posted by Viper229:



You are labling things evil.

Let me explain this in an easy way for you.

Good is good and nothing but good. Evil is the absence of good.

What you call "death" isnt evil. You label it so.

Life is life only, thus life never dies, in the absence of life there is what you call death.

The living never die, and death has no life.

Without death how would you know what life is?

If it exists it has an opposite. So if there is no such thing as death than there is no life. If there is no life there is no death.

To god there is no difference between good and bad. They are one and the same in varying degrees.

Everything is good, but God creates its opposite, what you call evil. So that at will you may experience evil and then you can better know/experience good.

Either you lost MY point or I lost yours couse I have no idea of what you are talking about...

Psion
2004-01-03, 23:21
There can't be good without evil and vice versa.

sp0rkius
2004-01-03, 23:25
quote:Originally posted by Psion:

There can't be good without evil and vice versa.

Why the hell not? People say that there can't just to justify the existance of the Devil, and the fact that there is evil on God's Earth, but why the hell not? Ok, if there was no evil we wouldn't recognise good because we'd take it for granted, but surely that's a good thing? It's all relative anyway, if you ask me (which you should), there is no such things as 'good' or 'evil'... it's just a matter of opinion.

Fallen Angel
2004-01-03, 23:34
quote:Originally posted by Psion:

There can't be good without evil and vice versa.

No, sad but true it can`t..

But noe one should say what is "good" and what is "evil"..

Everyone can have an opinion about it, but should not judge those who mean diffrent..

What you see as "evil" is not necessarily "evil" for me...

If you understand?

Fallen Angel
2004-01-03, 23:42
quote:Originally posted by sp0rkius:

Why the hell not? People say that there can't just to justify the existance of the Devil, and the fact that there is evil on God's Earth, but why the hell not? Ok, if there was no evil we wouldn't recognise good because we'd take it for granted, but surely that's a good thing? It's all relative anyway, if you ask me (which you should), there is no such things as 'good' or 'evil'... it's just a matter of opinion.

You do infackt have a point..

But humans have always looked on things as "good" and "bad" thats becaus the tale of a God and a Devil has been around for so long that it just goes naturaly..

But the religions play upon eachother..

The God could not exicst without the Devil cause He is suposed to be al about the right thing but everything bad or wrong that happens has to be someones falt therefor they "invented" the devil to take the fall fore human mistakes..

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Pegunkey87
2004-01-04, 08:21
Why should al sins be evil? All of the so-called sins,lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification!

Yeah god doesn't what us to feel iin any way.

LostCause
2004-01-04, 09:09
I suggest posting this in Vogon Poetry, too.

I think you're confusing the Christian god with something perfectly "good". Good being the opposite of evil. People often put the Christian god as the ipitome of good and satan as the ipitome of evil. However, satan and god are not opposites. Satan is, afterall, gods creation. Therefore, god creates evil. Making god not only good but evil. Or, better said: emcompassing both good and evil.

Therefore good and evil exist as god exists.

Cheers,

Lost

Fallen Angel
2004-01-04, 10:37
quote:Originally posted by Pegunkey87:

Why should al sins be evil? All of the so-called sins,lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification!

Yeah god doesn't what us to feel iin any way.





I Satan represents indulgence, instead of abstinence!

II Satan represents vital existence, instead of spiritual pipe dreams!

III Satan represents undefiled wisdom, instead of hypocritical self-deceit!

IV Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it, instead of love wasted on ingrates!

V Satan represents vengeance, instead of turning the other cheek!

VI Satan represents responsibility to the responsible, instead of concern for psychic vampires!

VII Satan represents man as just another animal, sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all fours, who, because of his "divine spiritual and intellectual development, has become the most vicious animal of all!

VIII Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification!

IX Satan is the best friend the church has ever had, as he has kept it in business all these years!

(This is "The Nine Satanic Statements" it is taken from the Satanic Bible)

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Fallen Angel
2004-01-04, 11:03
quote:Originally posted by LostCause:

I suggest posting this in Vogon Poetry, too.

I think you're confusing the Christian god with something perfectly "good". Good being the opposite of evil. People often put the Christian god as the ipitome of good and satan as the ipitome of evil. However, satan and god are not opposites. Satan is, afterall, gods creation. Therefore, god creates evil. Making god not only good but evil. Or, better said: emcompassing both good and evil.

Therefore good and evil exist as god exists.

Cheers,

Lost

That was not how the discusions intention..

But there semes to be alot of cunfucion among the commenters about what i realy meant in my first post..

I whanted people to tell me how THEY can belive in a god so "Good" and soo "helpfull" and "allmight"..

But if he is so, then why dont he destroy evil.. ?

He "said" he gave us humans "freewil" but why did he then make "the ten comandments"?

1)I AM THE LORD YOUR GOD, YOU SHALL HAVE no other gods BEFORE ME.

This first comandment is to make people belive in God,

hope and love him over everything on this earth.

This leads to worship.

By worshiping your God you say you recognize him as your Maker, your Saviour,

your Lord and Master, giving him endless love and respect..



Why should he send those who do not follow him to a socalled hell? that is not goodness at heart.. and it is NOT what i call freewil!

And why should he alone be at power to judge...?

Maby him self should go to Hell, cause he is just as evil as others..

CesareBorgia
2004-01-04, 14:40
quote:Originally posted by Fallen Angel:

We "know" what is "good" and what is "bad" but that is only because of what we have bin brought up to belive..

We think we know what is truly good(metaphysically speaking) and what is truly bad(metaphysically speaking), yet all we have is the thin veil of society guarding against other intrepretations. Break through and you shall become the Ubermensch.

CesareBorgia
2004-01-04, 14:47
quote:Originally posted by Fallen Angel:

1)I AM THE LORD YOUR GOD, YOU SHALL HAVE no other gods BEFORE ME.

This first comandment is to make people belive in God,

hope and love him over everything on this earth.

This leads to worship.

By worshiping your God you say you recognize him as your Maker, your Saviour,

your Lord and Master, giving him endless love and respect..

Why should he send those who do not follow him to a socalled hell? that is not goodness at heart.. and it is NOT what i call freewil!

And why should he alone be at power to judge...?

Maby him self should go to Hell, cause he is just as evil as others..

I don't see how this is hard to understand. God gave us free will. That means that we can CHOOSE to follow his commandments or disobey them. That is free will.

"And why should he alone be at power to judge...?"

Because if there is a God, he knows what is truly good(metaphysically speaking) and what is truly bad(metaphysically speaking).

sp0rkius
2004-01-04, 14:49
quote:Life is life only, thus life never dies, in the absence of life there is what you call death.

No, the ending of the process we call life is what we call 'death'.

Fallen Angel
2004-01-04, 15:03
quote:Originally posted by CesareBorgia:

We think we know what is truly good(metaphysically speaking) and what is truly bad(metaphysically speaking), yet all we have is the thin veil of society guarding against other intrepretations. Break through and you shall become the Ubermensch.

We know what is "right" and "wrong" in a way.. But that is because of the fackt that someone "told us" that it is so a long time ago.. Just like (for eksample) someone ones sad "we are going to count by saying 1-2-3-4 not 3-2-7-5..

It is al made out of a system witch has been told to al children growing up..

But it was made many many years ago and it har becomed a way of our life..

We learn that killing and stealing is wrong, why? The Vikings and al the old great warriors did soo.. They are our ancestors, but the thing is.. The way of living has changed.. Kiling and stealing was not wrong back then but it is now.. Therefor I say what we are brougth up to be makes our norms and forms our conscience there after..

You mother maybe said when your where young.. "Don`t touch the oven! it`s hot you wil burn you`r self...

And you learn..

She is you master and the one you listen to...

That way we also know what is good and bad.. Love and being close is something that is supposed to bee good and the bible teaches you to love your next... But.. If you in your upbringing have experienced something "bad" and you can not feel love or deal with beeing close is that then wrong? Or is that just what you have learnd and there fore belives is right?

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Fallen Angel
2004-01-04, 15:26
quote:Originally posted by CesareBorgia:

I don't see how this is hard to understand. God gave us free will. That means that we can CHOOSE to follow his commandments or disobey them. That is free will.

"And why should he alone be at power to judge...?"

Because if there is a God, he knows what is truly good(metaphysically speaking) and what is truly bad(metaphysically speaking).

hmm.. okay.. so this is what you cal freewil: Follow me og go to Hell? Is that freewil? Then you have a sick way of looking at freewil..

That is like saying.. you got a gun to your head and you get the choice to eigher shoot your self or the person sitting in front of you.. If you shoot your self you die at ones and go to "heaven" (YOU SHALL NOT MURDER.) If not the one in front of you wil die die you wil be tortured and live in agony and pain (also called Hell...)

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LostCause
2004-01-04, 17:04
Okay, well, first off, you're assuming that everyone who is a theist believes in the same god. As a Jew and a skeptic I don't believe in god conscious in any human way. At least none that would even (not that it's unable) distinguish the difference between good and evil.

Your description of god is a most common description of a Christian god. I'm not degrading your choice of words or god, either. What I mean is, I'm not saying what you said was stupid or unfounded.

So, with that god in mind, I'll answer your questions in more detail (mind that I'm doing this as an excercise in putting myself in another shoes. I don't have any actual experience with believing or craving for a christian god):

No.1 : "I whanted people to tell me how THEY can belive in a god so "Good" and soo "helpfull" and "allmight"..

But if he is so, then why dont he destroy evil.. ?"

- My mum would tell you that the answer to this question is right in Genesis. Adam and Eve wanted to learn about good and evil. Apparently, that's a lesson that takes a very long time to learn. (At least by human standards). So, that's why it exists. Adam and Eve (humans) put it here. God doesn't get rid of the evil because he believes that humans are as worthy of his love as he said so to Satan. He then granted Satan his own domain, followers, and the ability to... well... basically fuck with people to prove their lack of purity and worth. However, you'll notice that in the bible, it also states that Satan cannot do anything, effecting a human, without Gods consent. Therefore, God is still in control of all the evil. As he is in control of Satan. Reference to Joob.

No. 2: He "said" he gave us humans "freewil" but why did he then make "the ten comandments"?

"1)I AM THE LORD YOUR GOD, YOU SHALL HAVE no other gods BEFORE ME."

- What would be the point of having freewill if all the choices there were were good choices?

I digress: Adam and Eve had freewill, but they were doomed because they lived in a perfect world. Inherently they went after the one difficult choice to make. Whether or not to eat from the forbidden tree of knolledge.

And he granted us the freewill because he believes that we will return to him, naturally, because we are that pure and worthy. Therefore, we have the choice of what god to pray to or to even pray at all, but he says not to take any other gods but him. So, if you really love god, you'll choose him.

At least that's the idea behind it.

No. 3: "Why should he send those who do not follow him to a socalled hell? that is not goodness at heart.. and it is NOT what i call freewil!"

- My concepts behind the gentile afterlife are flawed, however, my thoughts on this have been that by not following god, you are proving Satan right in the belief that humans are not worthy of gods love. Therefore, instead of going to heaven, you would go to hell and be without god.

No. 4:"And why should he alone be at power to judge...?

"Maby him self should go to Hell, cause he is just as evil as others.."

- He alone is at power to judge because he is god... I thought that one was pretty obvious...

And he doesn't go to hell because the point of hell is that it is the absence of god. So, if god went there, it would sort of defeat the purpose. But, I see what you mean: since he created evil and evil is of him, why is he not a part of evil(?).

Well, there you go. There are reasons I'm not Christian and I suppose that would be one of them. In Judaism we have the belief that god is everything within nothingness. So, the evil is within god - as everything is, god is never within evil because when going without all he is is nothingness.

It's very difficult to explain. But, I hope that helps.

You sound rather upset, particularily about the whole judgement thing; which would suggest that you're worried about being judged.

Just as a personal word of advice: I was raised religiously, and have studied religion, but I'm not a religious person myself and have no distraction to any particular religion. But, I do believe in a higher power, whatever it is. I also believe in an afterlife and I believe that whatever pain we go through in this world is worth what awaits us "on the other side".

And I don't believe we get judged by anything. I think, if there's any judgement involved, we judge ourselves since we probably know ourselves best. Even better than any god. A lot of the time there's bullshit we can't admit to ourselves, but I have a feeling that when you're dead (if we have a conciousness/spirit) we'll be able to truly look at ourselves and admit everything with clear eyes since we're no longer attached to the hinderence of our bodies and life.

So, don't be uptight about being judged. The only person who judges you is you.

Cheers,

Lost

Fallen Angel
2004-01-06, 20:52
quote:Originally posted by LostCause:

Okay, well, first off, you're assuming that everyone who is a theist believes in the same god. As a Jew and a skeptic I don't believe in god conscious in any human way. At least none that would even (not that it's unable) distinguish the difference between good and evil.

Your description of god is a most common description of a Christian god. I'm not degrading your choice of words or god, either. What I mean is, I'm not saying what you said was stupid or unfounded.

So, with that god in mind, I'll answer your questions in more detail (mind that I'm doing this as an excercise in putting myself in another shoes. I don't have any actual experience with believing or craving for a christian god):

No.1 : "I whanted people to tell me how THEY can belive in a god so "Good" and soo "helpfull" and "allmight"..

But if he is so, then why dont he destroy evil.. ?"

- My mum would tell you that the answer to this question is right in Genesis. Adam and Eve wanted to learn about good and evil. Apparently, that's a lesson that takes a very long time to learn. (At least by human standards). So, that's why it exists. Adam and Eve (humans) put it here. God doesn't get rid of the evil because he believes that humans are as worthy of his love as he said so to Satan. He then granted Satan his own domain, followers, and the ability to... well... basically fuck with people to prove their lack of purity and worth. However, you'll notice that in the bible, it also states that Satan cannot do anything, effecting a human, without Gods consent. Therefore, God is still in control of all the evil. As he is in control of Satan. Reference to Joob.

No. 2: He "said" he gave us humans "freewil" but why did he then make "the ten comandments"?

"1)I AM THE LORD YOUR GOD, YOU SHALL HAVE no other gods BEFORE ME."

- What would be the point of having freewill if all the choices there were were good choices?

I digress: Adam and Eve had freewill, but they were doomed because they lived in a perfect world. Inherently they went after the one difficult choice to make. Whether or not to eat from the forbidden tree of knolledge.

And he granted us the freewill because he believes that we will return to him, naturally, because we are that pure and worthy. Therefore, we have the choice of what god to pray to or to even pray at all, but he says not to take any other gods but him. So, if you really love god, you'll choose him.

At least that's the idea behind it.

No. 3: "Why should he send those who do not follow him to a socalled hell? that is not goodness at heart.. and it is NOT what i call freewil!"

- My concepts behind the gentile afterlife are flawed, however, my thoughts on this have been that by not following god, you are proving Satan right in the belief that humans are not worthy of gods love. Therefore, instead of going to heaven, you would go to hell and be without god.

No. 4:"And why should he alone be at power to judge...?

"Maby him self should go to Hell, cause he is just as evil as others.."

- He alone is at power to judge because he is god... I thought that one was pretty obvious...

And he doesn't go to hell because the point of hell is that it is the absence of god. So, if god went there, it would sort of defeat the purpose. But, I see what you mean: since he created evil and evil is of him, why is he not a part of evil(?).

Well, there you go. There are reasons I'm not Christian and I suppose that would be one of them. In Judaism we have the belief that god is everything within nothingness. So, the evil is within god - as everything is, god is never within evil because when going without all he is is nothingness.

It's very difficult to explain. But, I hope that helps.

You sound rather upset, particularily about the whole judgement thing; which would suggest that you're worried about being judged.

Just as a personal word of advice: I was raised religiously, and have studied religion, but I'm not a religious person myself and have no distraction to any particular religion. But, I do believe in a higher power, whatever it is. I also believe in an afterlife and I believe that whatever pain we go through in this world is worth what awaits us "on the other side".

And I don't believe we get judged by anything. I think, if there's any judgement involved, we judge ourselves since we probably know ourselves best. Even better than any god. A lot of the time there's bullshit we can't admit to ourselves, but I have a feeling that when you're dead (if we have a conciousness/spirit) we'll be able to truly look at ourselves and admit everything with clear eyes since we're no longer attached to the hinderence of our bodies and life.

So, don't be uptight about being judged. The only person who judges you is you.

Cheers,

Lost

Since you talk so much about Eve i wonder,

Have you ever heard about Lilith?



(Lillith is, according to the myth, the first wife of Adam. God created Adam and Lillith out of the earth (the old testament first says that God created man and woman, then goes on to talk about the animals, then comes back to the story of the creation of Eve; some people say this means that there was a wife before Eve); but when Adam wanted to dominate Lillith, specifically when he wanted her to lay below him during intercourse, she refused, saying that they were both of the same stuff and therefore equal, and she would not be submissive in any way. Adam kept trying to get her to submit and finally she spoke the same of God and flew away to the Red Sea where she mated with the demons there and gave birth to many ghastly creatures (some consider Lillith to be the mother of the vampire myth, as she was immortal -- never ate from the tree of knowledge -- and her children became a race of vampires). When Adam asked God to get her back He sent three angels to convince her; she refused; she was known to bring death to babies and mothers giving birth; she was believed to be an incubus who comes into the beds of sleeping men and molest them. Lillith appears as a she-demon in Sumerian mythology as well, and some believe her to be the Queen of Sheba and the woman who brought the baby to King Solomon. Her children are called the "lilim" which also means demon. She appears in the story of Gilgamesh, the first hero myth in human history created by the Sumerians, as a demon with the feet of an owl, wings and the face of a beautiful woman. )

by the way: another thing you said..

I am not afraid to be judged by no God cause I do not belive in Heaven or Hell, if there is an Hell that is right here on the earth we live on..

I am also raised religiously (adventist)

i went to Sabbath school on saturday when I was younger, but the more i went there the more I started to doubt in a existing God..

We had homework to learn verses an chapters in the bible every week, and it al just semed stupid to me..

I belive in humanity, We are our own "rulers".

We diside what is going to happen..

Religious murders or slaugthers are the most brutal in al historie, religion has done nothing but kill and murder al through time..

Zeeker
2004-01-07, 07:49
If God is almighty why does he let all the evil happens... Mybe we all have mistunderstand him, maybe Evil is right... http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif)

kevinboyd
2004-01-07, 21:41
what is so hard to understand? GOD LETS BAD THINGS HAPPEN BECAUSE HE KNOWS THE BAD THINGS ARE INFINTESIMALLY SMALL COMPARED TO THE GOODNESS THAT WILL COME WHEN YOU DIE. jeez...

quote:And God, The big God "almighty", can`t he destroy all evil?

no! you can't destroy a concept! the only way he could destroy all evil is if he destroyed all good too! or everything in the universe that has freewill.

noraa_boy
2004-01-08, 01:51
Or he could remove all free will, something which I think he has to do in Heaven or it will just go to shit.

Perhaps the bad things that the Christian god lets happen are not neccessary at all. If they are not, then the Christian god is not doing a very good job. If you think that they are neccessary, then please back it up.

Also, we could say that Jesus's suffering on earth as a man is infinitesimally small when compared to the goodness he experienced before and after his suffering. Not much of a sacrifice, huh?

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Fallen Angel
2004-01-10, 13:06
quote:Originally posted by Zeeker:

If God is almighty why does he let all the evil happens... Mybe we all have mistunderstand him, maybe Evil is right... http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif)

Evil and good is the opisits of each other, Without evil there wil be no good, but evil is not evil for all and the same for good.. what you look upon as "good" might be looked on as "evil" for another.. And the other way..

Fallen Angel
2004-01-10, 13:13
quote:Originally posted by kevinboyd:

what is so hard to understand? GOD LETS BAD THINGS HAPPEN BECAUSE HE KNOWS THE BAD THINGS ARE INFINTESIMALLY SMALL COMPARED TO THE GOODNESS THAT WILL COME WHEN YOU DIE. jeez...

no! you can't destroy a concept! the only way he could destroy all evil is if he destroyed all good too! or everything in the universe that has freewill.



When you die you die,

There is no life in heaven or hell..

or anywhere else, You just die..

Why fool your self with a dream of life after death?

Evil is the opisite of good, okay..

God created Satan, he is the angel who was kicked out of heaven..

So God should stil be able to destroy evil....

That is if he exist and is almighty.. something i do not belive in..

Fallen Angel
2004-01-10, 13:21
quote:Originally posted by noraa_boy:

Or he could remove all free will, something which I think he has to do in Heaven or it will just go to shit.

Perhaps the bad things that the Christian god lets happen are not neccessary at all. If they are not, then the Christian god is not doing a very good job. If you think that they are neccessary, then please back it up.

Also, we could say that Jesus's suffering on earth as a man is infinitesimally small when compared to the goodness he experienced before and after his suffering. Not much of a sacrifice, huh?

[This message has been edited by noraa_boy (edited 01-08-2004).]



I do not belive in no heaven, but if this "place" should exist then there would not be no "peace" there..

Everyone has diffrent opinions and arguments and conflickts would come..

And I beat people would out of bordom do things that is "not alowed" also called "evil" even if you could get what ever you wanted there you would one day get bored.. Eternaty is a looooong time.. There is no end to this time.. even here in this life you would get bored if you could have anything you wanted.. you had al the money and al the things you wanted, but you wolud stil be bored..

And Jesus (if he existed, I dont belive that but IF) than he came to earth for no reason at al, people got more evil and more suspisios at echother and those who has followed the so called God has killed more people in "Gods name" than enyone else put to gether.. The religios slather began after Jesus visit

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BoukObelisk
2004-01-10, 14:26
Good and almighty, my two cents for what they're worth. I didn't read this thread because I know what everyone is going to say. Someone will say "you assume that good and bad exist when this defies metaphysics at a fundamental level" and someone else will say "I don't believe in god because I had a horrible life blah blah blah" and someone else will say "I don't believe in god because there is no proof" someone else will bring up the "problem of evil" someone else will say "I don't believe in god and here is my scientific evidence" etc etc....

noraa_boy
2004-01-10, 21:01
Not to mention that there will be some idiot polluting the thread with his bitching instead of keeping it to himself and simply avoiding the thread, myself not withstanding.

Inside_Voices
2004-01-12, 23:40
Really though, why do people bother making these threads?

Fallen Angel
2004-01-17, 14:22
quote:Originally posted by Inside_Voices:

Really though, why do people bother making these threads?

Why?

It is to ask other what they think about something you wonder about..

If you have something you think of on your mind why not share it with others?

Maybe more people you know is thinking of the same thing they just don`t say it... ?

Inside_Voices
2004-01-17, 16:10
quote:Originally posted by Fallen Angel:

Why?

It is to ask other what they think about something you wonder about..

If you have something you think of on your mind why not share it with others?

Maybe more people you know is thinking of the same thing they just don`t say it... ?

Mmmmkay