I don't think that he did because when he found at that Adam and Eve had eaten from the one tree in the gardenthat he forbid them to eat from, which incidently gave them knowledge, he banned them from the Graden of Eden.Also,isn't it interesting that in Greek mythology that Zeus was angered so much by Prometheus giving man fire which is knowledge(or represents knowledge whichever). Prometheus was then shackled to a mountain and have his liver eaten out by an eagle everyday until he was freed by one of the Greek heroes.

You've heard the whole knowledge is power, power corrupts deal, but there is some sense in it. You wouldn't want slaves to know they are slaves because then they would see that it is wrong and try to revolt. The less you know about struggle and pain, the happier you are. If there is a god, that may have been his intention. However, it is my belief that there is not.

I understand what you are saying but why would you want to be the slave you would be happier knowing that you ar efree. At least that is what I think I would rather be haooy and free rather than happy and knot knowign anything.

The 'Knoweledge' of the Bible that your referring to is not the same knoweldge that you thinking of. It is the knoweldge of duality, that is primarily seperation from God -The origin of all suffering.

But there is much much more to it.

Well if you dont know your a slave and you dont know what freedom is then your gonna be happy with it. If you gain that kind of knowledge youd want freedom and I guess every major ruler whether it be earthly or even god wouldnt want this. Good point.

Actually the tree was not the "Tree of Knowledge" but rather the "Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil"

Apparently, there's a difference between right and wrong and good and evil. If there wasn't, one could argue that Eve did not even know that it was evil to disobey the Christian god and eat from the tree. What's the difference, then?

if we werent meant to have knowledge than i doubt a creator god would have given us brains, let alone brains capable of learning and retaining knowledge.

quote:Originally posted by inquisitor_11:

if we werent meant to have knowledge than i doubt a creator god would have given us brains, let alone brains capable of learning and retaining knowledge.

Agreed. Good call.

According to the bible god had allowed Lucifer to plant the Tree of Knowledge in the Garden of Eden to tempt Adam and Eve and to prove that humans would listen to god. He also allowed it to be there because in a perfect world what would be the point of free will.

So, he was pretty pissed when he was proven wrong and Adam and Eve ate from the tree.

But, he allowed it to be there, so I don't know if he doesn't want us to have knowledge...

Anyways, yes, that's interesting, Zesty.

I can't get over how much I like your name. Do you like turtle soup or something?

Cheers,

Lost

quote:Originally posted by LostCause:

I can't get over how much I like your name. Do you like turtle soup or something?

Cheers,

Lost

Lost, I think you want to eat Zesty.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by LostCause:

According to the bible god had allowed Lucifer to plant the Tree of Knowledge in the Garden of Eden to tempt Adam and Eve and to prove that humans would listen to god. He also allowed it to be there because in a perfect world what would be the point of free will.

So, he was pretty pissed when he was proven wrong and Adam and Eve ate from the tree.

But, he allowed it to be there, so I don't know if he doesn't want us to have knowledge...

Anyways, yes, that's interesting, Zesty.

I can't get over how much I like your name. Do you like turtle soup or something?

Cheers,

Lost[/QUOTE}

I'm glad you like my name so much!^^ Anywho You all have very valid points and I thank you for your opinions

PS:I've actually never had turtle soup but maybe I'll try t some day if you go to the where did your name come ffrom thread I explained it.But if you would like me to tell you I would be more than happy to oblige.



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Not to be completely unprofessional here and turn this into a personal thread, but hey, this is &totse.

So, do tell.

Cheers,

Lost

Yes, and I don't believe that anyone really cares about this thread anymore so I will tell. Zesty is an inside joke with one of my friends. She thought my dad was hot( Don't ask) and I was talking to her on the phone and she asked me what he was doing and I said putting zesty italian dressing on his salad so we got him to say zesty in a sexy voice on the phone to her so zesty became our code word for sexy, Actually that is no longer an inside joke anymore it's definetly out the open. Oh well she won't mind she tells a lot of people. Anywho that is rather off the subject. Turtle is my nickname in softball because I'm rather slow and tend not to get jokes very quickly and I have to think about them for a while so they always call me turtle now.Which is funny because in other aspects of my life I actually fairly quick.Well, yeah that is basically it. I have such interesting stories...No I'm not lying*eyes dart back and forth*

Thats a quality name story.

Just on the thread though- i dont remember the bit about satan planting the tree, i suppose i should probably check (hence making this post pointless) but im pretty sure that bit ain't in there.

excellent topic! but based on the nature of a Hebrew or Christian God, it is really hard to say whether he wanted us to have knowledge or whether it was just the cause of a bet.

Look at animals. Most of them probably know very little aside from their primal instinct, and they seem to get along better and do less dammage to the world then us humans. They're also most likely content with their existance most of the time because they don't know about happiness, sadness, etc... so they don't feel it. They just are, and they accept that.

So, I feel it makes sense that God didn't intend for us to have the level of knowledge we do, or think we do [we only think its knowledge, it could turn out to be completely wrong].

It's all allegorical, man. God never intended for anything to happen, because he wanted us to do it for ourselves.

The whole story of Adam and Eve is significant in that, if we hadn't partaken of the fruit, we'd still be blissfully ignorant animals. We wouldn't have to worry about being good and resiting evil, because we wouldn't be humans.

Do I detect a hint of a metaphor for evolution?

I think I do.