I'm not sure I've ever seen a topic here about the morality of homosexuality. Has there ever been one? There should. Here. I'll start us off: No God would create so many people born with a desire he hates. He would also have no reason to hate any kind of consensual(sp) relations between adults.

There's always the possibility that we weren't created. Besides, if homosexuality is so immoral, you would think "god" would take some measure to prevent it. But nope, i see gays running around all over the place.

listen you fucking homo's there is no room in any modern day religion for your faggoty asses so maybe u should make your own.

Liberace can be your patron saint of ass rape.

quote:Originally posted by dirtballkaner:

listen you fucking homo's there is no room in any modern day religion for your faggoty asses so maybe u should make your own.

Liberace can be your patron saint of ass rape.

I'm intimidated.

u should be

quote:Originally posted by dirtballkaner:

u should be

I see sarcasm is not worthy of your talented mind. You won't make it far here being a total asshole...you should at least provide some decent feedback.

dirtballkaner, I like to hear other people's opinions, but you're an ignorant piece of shit. Just thought you might want to know

thanks man

it's good to know

I have made a thread that had a few questions on it one of them concerning homosexuality and I don't see what is so wrong with it and why the Catholic denomination is against it so much. They say it is because it isn't proven that you are born with the will to sexually be with people of the same sex but it is also not proven other wise. So I don't understand why we have to be so closeminded to the fact that maybe you are born with that will and even if you aren't it was "God" that created us that way.All of which I have said concerning God creating us is all hypothetical because I do not believe in a God.Oh and dirtballkaner please if you post make it meaningful not something you pulled out of your ass.

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God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. it's simple. in the bible, i think in leviticus, if a man lies with a man like he does with a woman, it is an ABOMINATION!!! AND THEY SHOULD BE KILLED!!! THEIR BLOOD SHALL BE UPON THEM!!! and 75% of the men who have AIDS are homos. And what is so good about being gay? don't you get teased everyday?

god made adam and eve, not adam and steve, hahahaha thats a really lame take. anyone that cites the bullshit creationist stories of genesis to convey why they hate gays really needs to back up their hatred with a little more insight. Even if all that Biblical jargon is true, just because god created a man and a woman first doesn't mean that being gay is freakish or abnormal. Gay people are born gay, they don't become that way so fuckers like you can pick on them, its just one of the many wonders of genetics and being a human being. So if you're not gay, or haven't been accosted by a gay individual, then get over it. If some people devoted a little less time hating homos and a little more time actually focusing on things that actually CAN be changed, o what a world we could be living in..

ps..if that statistic about 75 percent of gay men having aids is true, which i HIGHLY doubt it is, than don't fuck any guys up the ass and i think you'll be ok. If you're so hetero, than why do you even care about aids in the gay community? Sounds to me like someone in this thread might be packing a bit of fudge himself.......

quote:Originally posted by ibn_mosef:

? Sounds to me like someone in this thread might be packing a bit of fudge himself.......

I prefer those who munch carpet, personally.

quote:Originally posted by GlitterPunk112358:

I'm not sure I've ever seen a topic here about the morality of homosexuality. Has there ever been one? There should. Here. I'll start us off: No God would create so many people born with a desire he hates. He would also have no reason to hate any kind of consensual(sp) relations between adults.

God does not nor did he create anybody he hates. He loves everyone whether he/she be homo\bisexual, a nazi, a mormon, etc. However, no matter how much he loves us he does have to punish the bad. After all, who would raise a child without punishment for wrong doing?

By punishing children for wrongdoing, we aren't condemning them to suffer for the rest of time.

Duh.

quote:Originally posted by CheeseWank:



By punishing children for wrongdoing, we aren't condemning them to suffer for the rest of time.

Duh.

You mean you don't ground your kids to eternal damnation? I must have been doing this all wrong...

...Be goodly therefore: dress ye all in fine apparel; eat rich foods and drink sweet wines and wines that foam! Also, take your fill and will of love as ye will, when, where and WITH WHOM YE WILL! But always unto me.

book of law

I-51

First off, why is it that if someone insults gay people they are automatically labeled "Ignorant". It's there opinion that they hate homosexuals. Damn PC bullshit has gone to far.

Secondly, If you believe that God gave people free will to do what they like then that is the reason some people on Earth are gay.

It's a personal choice.

I do not belive for one second that it is genetic.

Excuse me ass, but I tried for a good several months to complete remove any bisexual 'evil' from myself by believing the thoughts were a choice of mine to partake in. After some of the most drastic measures, attempted suicide the day before my birthday included, I've come to the conclusion it is NOT a choice of mine to be this way. Thoughts are something we have no control over, whether we act on them or not is our choice though. I don't act on my thoughts, but I most definitely am bisexual. The basis of the problem is genetic, it's a hormone imbalance caused by genes...the actions taken out by one with these thoughts are choice, but it doesn't change who they are on the inside.

New question: if it is a personal choice, what makes it the wrong one? If doing something that isn't the natural way is wrong, we shouldn't be cooking our food or cutting our hair, right?

quote:Originally posted by GlitterPunk112358:

New question: if it is a personal choice, what makes it the wrong one? If doing something that isn't the natural way is wrong, we shouldn't be cooking our food or cutting our hair, right?



Well old bible rules reckon you shouldn't trim your beard and so forth, but xtians decided they were over that rule. Like many others that they decide don't apply anymore, but thats a whole nother debate against dopey xtians.

Back on topic, I'm not anti-gay or anything, I don't give a shit, you only get to jump on this ride once do what you want. But if you look at it logically, with the concept of procreation, carrying on the species blah blah, it's obviously not the intention of life (substitute the universe, your 'god' whatever here) that this goes on. But everyone decides their own morals, where religion tries to moralise everything, I say, if it doesn't infringe on me, do whatever the fuck you want.

quote:Originally posted by GlitterPunk112358:

New question: if it is a personal choice, what makes it the wrong one? If doing something that isn't the natural way is wrong, we shouldn't be cooking our food or cutting our hair, right?

It is my firm belief that God will punish fags for partaking in there homosexual desires. God never created homosexuals nor does he like them. They shall burn in the deepest parts of hell along with those who give them hospice for partaking in such an abominable action.

quote:Originally posted by bluntman457:

It is my firm belief that God will punish fags for partaking in there homosexual desires. God never created homosexuals nor does he like them. They shall burn in the deepest parts of hell along with those who give them hospice for partaking in such an abominable action.

That's funny...the bible says that god created everything...Don't you believe your own book of beliefs? And the deepest circle of hell is not for gays.

Inside Voices:

You sure are an idiot to think that. God did create everything, however, it was defiled be sin. Read the Bible, its all there. Maybe you should know what you are talking about first. Oh yes, and another thing. Don't ever question how I believe. Just by analyzing your question I know that I know far more about the bible than you do.

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quote:Originally posted by bluntman457:

Inside Voices:

You sure are an idiot to think that. God did create everything, however, it was defiled be sin. Read the Bible, its all there. Maybe you should know what you are talking about first. Oh yes, and another thing. Don't ever question how I believe. Just by analyzing your question I know that I know far more about the bible than you do.

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And knowing all about the bible means...

You had just contradicted yourself in your post. I'm not saying you should change your beliefs, i'm just saying to get your stuff straight. I'm no idiot for reading into what you write. Everyone needs criticism now and then.

quote:Originally posted by Hexadecimal:

Excuse me ass, but I tried for a good several months to complete remove any bisexual 'evil' from myself by believing the thoughts were a choice of mine to partake in. After some of the most drastic measures, attempted suicide the day before my birthday included, I've come to the conclusion it is NOT a choice of mine to be this way. Thoughts are something we have no control over, whether we act on them or not is our choice though. I don't act on my thoughts, but I most definitely am bisexual. The basis of the problem is genetic, it's a hormone imbalance caused by genes...the actions taken out by one with these thoughts are choice, but it doesn't change who they are on the inside.

One time, in my long ago University days, I had to do an assignment on homsexuality. For the only time ever, I received a 100% score, only to have a couple of points knocked off by a moderator.

He reckoned I had placed an item in an appendix that should have been included in the main text. That appendix related certified medical research out of the USA.

Seems there is a measurable difference between a male and a female brain. In the Hypothalmus (I think - it was a long time ago)there is a different count between chromosomes as I recall. The point is there is a scientifically measurable difference between a male and a female brain.

The research showed that many male homosexuals had in fact a female brain, and many female homosexuals had a male brain. Is anyone responsible for this biological anomaly? God maybe? If so how could God justly condemn them to hell?

Whatever it changed my thinking, and in the years since i've observed homosexual people and they do exhibit traits in harmony with that research. makes sense if one was born in a male body with a female brain, that other males would be attractive and likewise for females born with a male brain other females would attract.

Judge not?

chromosomes have nothing to do with it. the same number of chromosomes (46) exist in every cell in the body. the only difference is the last pair of chromosomes - xy for males, and xx for females, regardless of sexual orientation... the only exception is people with down syndrome, who have 3 chromosomes instead of 2 for that last pair.

the study you mention was a measure of a certain nerve group structure in the brain, and it was not a very reliable study. it has since been disputed into the ground.

nevertheless, the people who are violently homophobic ARE ignorant. the emphasis on marriage in modern western civilization is a by-product of the dominance of christianity, and not reflective of the majority of humanities' sexual mores, now and throughout history.

it is not only ethnocentric, but also indicative of a mind UTTERLY mired in ignorance to claim that homosexuality is an abberation. the great ancient societies upon which our own republic is modeled had very different concepts of sexuality.

femininity was not a literal quality (i.e. femininity = person with tits and a pussy), and masculinity was not a literal quality (masculine = pecker). what they believed and practiced would be very shocking to people in most modern countries, if anyone at the time understood how closely our forefathers in the age of reason attempted to emulate greece and rome.

those considered most masculine were land-owning males, right below them were influential females, at the lowest rung of femininity were serfs (aka - slaves), be they male or female. therefore, if you were a poor white trash male in ancient greece, chances are you might be the butt-slave of a wealthy nobleman. ever wonder about the roots of the word 'fraternity'??

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quote:Originally posted by bluntman457:

Inside Voices:

You sure are an idiot to think that. God did create everything, however, it was defiled be sin. Read the Bible, its all there. Maybe you should know what you are talking about first. Oh yes, and another thing. Don't ever question how I believe. Just by analyzing your question I know that I know far more about the bible than you do.

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So God created everything, then it was defiled by sin, who created sin?

quote:Originally posted by Froonhed:

So God created everything, then it was defiled by sin, who created sin?

Thank you, sir.

quote:Originally posted by Eil:

chromosomes have nothing to do with it. the same number of chromosomes (46) exist in every cell in the body. the only difference is the last pair of chromosomes - xy for males, and xx for females, regardless of sexual orientation... the only exception is people with down syndrome, who have 3 chromosomes instead of 2 for that last pair.

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Not only Down's Syndrome, there are many other possibilities(i.e. one chromosone instead of two, two y chromosones, etc.)

quote:Originally posted by Eil:



the great ancient societies upon which our own republic is modeled had very different concepts of sexuality.

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Very true, if anyone is interested, I suggest you read up about Sparta. The pedophilia that existed there will be shocking to one who does not understand how relative culture is.

quote:Originally posted by Froonhed:

So God created everything, then it was defiled by sin, who created sin?

Satan created sin. And sense I know you are going to ask:

Satan was at one point, God's top angel. However, he decided that wasn't good enough. So he asked God for more power and God denied his request. He became angry and led a revolt,etc ,etc. And was thus cast out of heaven along with those who supported him. Once he was cast out he became Satan and well, you know who Satan is.

quote:Originally posted by bluntman457:

Satan created sin. And sense I know you are going to ask:

Satan was at one point, God's top angel. However, he decided that wasn't good enough. So he asked God for more power and God denied his request. He became angry and led a revolt,etc ,etc. And was thus cast out of heaven along with those who supported him. Once he was cast out he became Satan and well, you know who Satan is.

and now you know who bluntman457 is. a complete waste of your time and keystrokes.

quote:Originally posted by CesareBorgia:



Very true, if anyone is interested, I suggest you read up about Sparta. The pedophilia that existed there will be shocking to one who does not understand how relative culture is.

i wish i could see one of these punk homophobic white trash weenies call a spartan 'fag' to his face.

Even if gay people are not born gay (which i believe they are), if god created everything and knows everything he knew before he created everything that some people were going to be gay, if he didnt want them to he would have created everything slightly differently and set in motion a different sequence of events.

i think sexuality is based on genetics for some and simply choice for others. but if god created people simply to give life, then why would he punish a completely good person simply based on who they decide to have sex with?

Homosexuality is genetically controlled. In the brain, there is a part called the Sexually Dimorphic Nucleus, which is about twice as large in males as in females. The SDN of gay males was the same size as the females. This indicates a biological origin. Not only that, but there is homosexuality in every species on the planet (maybe not the assexual ones) and scientists have modified the genes of fruits flies in such a way that when they are warm, they mate with their own sex, and when they are warm, they mate with the other sex. This is not to say that if you ship a homosexual to alaska, he'll become straight (as one homophobe so intelligently deduced), as it was an isolated experiment.

Now that the cause is established, let's talk about the morals. What are morals determined by? The Bible? Not likely, as it says gays should be put to death, along with sorcerers and divorcees. So that's obviously not the source of this moral argument against homosexuality, 'cause you can't just pick and choose who is a sinner and who isn't, it's all written there. The source must be from society. Morals are usually guided by effect on others. If I shoot you, it will hurt you, and that's immoral. If I have sex with your wife, that hurts you and your marriage, and that's immoral. If I steal your money, your possesions are now mine, and you're worse off because of it, so that's immoral. If I call you names, that hurts your feelings and that's immoral. If I rape your butt, that's sure as hell going to hurt your butt and your feelings too, I assume, so that's immoral. HOWEVER, if you ask me to put you out of pain by taking you off life support when you can't do it for yourself, I'm giving you freedom to do what you want by doing so, and am doing nothing immoral. If you give me money and I take it, it's your freedom to do so, I am accepting your choice to be generous, and am doing nothing immoral. If you ask me to have sex with your butt and I do, I am not depriving you of freedom by doing so, and I am not going against your wishes, so I am doing nothing immoral.

The only moral argument comes from Christianity, and can't be regarded as reliable because of the inconsistency of its source. The bible also considers left-handedness a sin. Should left-handed people be allowed to marry? Who are you to pick and choose what is important from God's word?



Peace.

THats what I love. People will preach to you until they're blue in the face, but not a single one of them can say they they haven't simply chosen to not follow certain rules of the bible.

Their arguments are usually based around the fact that certain things 'dont apply anymore' or that things have changed over time and certain rules can't be applied to modern life. Last I checked, if God says something, it applies, and despite time having changed its still what he said. If he wanted certain things in the bible to be disregarded or changed don't you think he'd pop on down for a revision?

Silly christians.

I like how some Christians say that the prohibition on beard shaving, shellfish eating, and multifabric cloth wearing no longer apply, but they condemn homosexuals citing Levitical law. Most don't see remarriage to be a great travesty, but it is condemned moreso in the bible than homosexuality.

They ignore all that shit in Levitical law except that which allows them to preach hate and damnation against homosexuals for their natural biological urges.

The hypochristians are not hard to come by at all.

Come on, Christian-Conservatives (or just homophobes in general), where's the fault in that argument?

I see that too Dark_Magneto. And let it be known that is written that God hates divorce just as much as he does fags.

It doesn't say he hates gays and divorcees...says he loves them actually, just that they don't get the ultimate gift of heaven because they've strayed from him.

Men can love eachother...as brothers. Everyone knows it isn't natural in the world...I haven't seen any gay animals...anyway, I have friends who are gay but I don't really approved of the reason why. If your gay because you can't help it...well I don't know, but if your gay because of a sexual perversian (SP?) and for lust, it's wrong. Did anyone notice how everything is turning more and more feminine, notice the rise of gays, the metro-sexual, women in the workplace...the world is collapsing from the Patriarchal society it once was! We must stop it!

plus, gays don't contribute help the world population with AIDS

quote:Originally posted by Hexadecimal:

Excuse me ass, but I tried for a good several months to complete remove any bisexual 'evil' from myself by believing the thoughts were a choice of mine to partake in. After some of the most drastic measures, attempted suicide the day before my birthday included, I've come to the conclusion it is NOT a choice of mine to be this way. Thoughts are something we have no control over, whether we act on them or not is our choice though. I don't act on my thoughts, but I most definitely am bisexual. The basis of the problem is genetic, it's a hormone imbalance caused by genes...the actions taken out by one with these thoughts are choice, but it doesn't change who they are on the inside.

Is it a choice of schizophenrics to have schizophenria(sp fucked)?

quote:Originally posted by Hammer&Sickle:

I haven't seen any gay animals...

Spend some time on a farm. It happens all the time.

Male sheep sodomize each other just to show who's boss.

quote:Did anyone notice how everything is turning more and more feminine, notice the rise of gays, the metro-sexual, women in the workplace...the world is collapsing from the Patriarchal society it once was! We must stop it!

You think we should keep women out of the workplace?!?

You probably think they aren't sentient, either.

edit: typo

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hehe, I don't mind women in the workplace, I do mind men giving into feminists...Feminists are sentient, normal women are and hell, a lot of them are better than men, I just HATE feminists pushing for more and more equal rights but making it more and more unequal

Please elaborate; what unequal rights are feminists fighting for?

All I know is that one will not gain anything in the reproductive sense through homosexual acts so why would we be created with this in our genes?

Ever hear of overpopulation? It can cause a species to go extinct. Homosexuality creates a portion of humanity that does not breed but still contributes to society's labor needs, limiting population without limiting work capabilities.

Is it a choice of schizophenrics to have schizophenria(sp fucked)?

No...what point were you trying to make, your question, if anything, supported what I said.

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plus, gays don't contribute help the world population with AIDS

And religions do?!? The Catholic Church, the single largest denomonation of Christianity, has been fighting for years to stop the use of condoms in 3rd world countries in which AIDS rates are near 50%. Gays aren't the problem with spreading AIDS; it's ignorance, foolish tradition, and unclean pormiscuous people that spread AIDS.

Besides, if gays really were the problem, what are you homophobes complaining about? They'd only end up exterminating themselves, which is what you want, right?

quote:Originally posted by Weedguru:

Besides, if gays really were the problem, what are you homophobes complaining about? They'd only end up exterminating themselves, which is what you want, right?

Yes, but unfortunately they are not doing that (self-extermination) fast enough.

(I think this post is going to raise alot of controversy and also make alot of enemies for me. Oh well, the only people who are going to get offended are the fags and the immoral.)

God did not create people that way people just started swinging that way,them fags the U.S should never allow fags to get married

Gays are just people,if you did not know what they do in the bedroom,wich is all that separtes gays from non.When someone is not a flamer,you would never know and treat that person like normal,until the info of what he does when he goes home comes out.Then all of a sudden its different.I cant even really label someone as gay,cause they are just humans who differ only in the bedroom,and no one should care or ask about that.

quote:Originally posted by bluntman457:

Satan created sin. And sense I know you are going to ask:

Satan was at one point, God's top angel. However, he decided that wasn't good enough. So he asked God for more power and God denied his request. He became angry and led a revolt,etc ,etc. And was thus cast out of heaven along with those who supported him. Once he was cast out he became Satan and well, you know who Satan is.

Angel's don't have free will so how exactly did Lucifer make the decision to revolt.

quote:Originally posted by Eil:

and now you know who bluntman457 is. a complete waste of your time and keystrokes.

Yeah but I get bored and it's fun to rark up dumasses who believe blindly what other men have told them.

quote:Originally posted by DesertEagle:

God did not create people that way people just started swinging that way

Because we all know how much people love getting beaten to death, being told they're disgusting people and immoral, lacking basic rights like the privacy to be allowed to commit sexual acts (between consenting adults) in their own homes, etc.

I mean, all that is totally worth it to be able to put my penis in a man's mouth.

quote:Originally posted by DesertEagle:

God did not create people that way people just started swinging that way

Looks like someone forgot to tell that to the homosexual animals.

anyone find it odd that SATURNROCKETX hasnt posted yet?

I guess he doesnt come to My God..... very often

quote:Originally posted by dirtballkaner:

listen you fucking homo's there is no room in any modern day religion for your faggoty asses so maybe u should make your own.

Liberace can be your patron saint of ass rape.

Look everyone its another mindless dipshit!

quote:Originally posted by Loc Dogg:

God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. it's simple. in the bible, i think in leviticus, if a man lies with a man like he does with a woman, it is an ABOMINATION!!! AND THEY SHOULD BE KILLED!!! THEIR BLOOD SHALL BE UPON THEM!!! and 75% of the men who have AIDS are homos. And what is so good about being gay? don't you get teased everyday?

It also says thou shalt not kill, yet the bible is full of people killing in Gods name, So grow a brain and think for yourself, don't be just another of the millions of mindless sheep wandering through america.

quote:Originally posted by bluntman457:

It is my firm belief that God will punish fags for partaking in there homosexual desires. God never created homosexuals nor does he like them. They shall burn in the deepest parts of hell along with those who give them hospice for partaking in such an abominable action.

Put your head back up your ### where it belongs and STFU!

quote:Originally posted by bluntman457:

Inside Voices:

You sure are an idiot to think that. God did create everything, however, it was defiled be sin. Read the Bible, its all there. Maybe you should know what you are talking about first. Oh yes, and another thing. Don't ever question how I believe. Just by analyzing your question I know that I know far more about the bible than you do.

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I also know a hell of alot about the bible, and I think that if the pope came out and told people to kill their first born children because God told him this; millions of people would do it without hesitation, rather than risk offending God.

They wouldn't stop to ask why does God want my child to die, what purpose does it serve?

STOP AND THINK FOR YOURSELF!

quote:Originally posted by KillSwitch_J:

I also know a hell of alot about the bible, and I think that if the pope came out and told people to kill their first born children because God told him this; millions of people would do it without hesitation, rather than risk offending God.

They wouldn't stop to ask why does God want my child to die, what purpose does it serve?

STOP AND THINK FOR YOURSELF!

I don't believe in the Pope. Heck, there is no where in the Bible that says anything about a "Pope",

And another thing why are you so offended? Insecure are you? Honestly I don't pay attention to people like you. The first thing that pops into my mind when I read a post like yours is:

"hmmm.....This guy is an idiot. HE can't even come up with evidence to support his arguements. I bet he is one of those people who call themselves an atheist just so they can try to offend believers to make them mad. In fact, I wonder what this guy knows what he even believes in.......I wonder if this guy was breast fed by father? Yeah, that would count for it...no no no....It was inbreeding, yes thats it, that explains everything. Nah, not imbreeding, that may account for it, but is something else...AH HA! This fool is some bastard who doesn't think for himself. He probably accepted everything he knows so willingly that he has become dogmatic in all his views. I wonder what I'll post...Should I post? I don't know, my g-friend is coming over soon. Ergo, I have better things to do....I'll post...clearly this moron has nothing better to do..he'll probably wait around with nothing to do and it would be mean to leave him and his hand together so long..."

You get the picture, hopefully. In short, I don't care what you think at all. I believe this way I do because of my faith and no one can change that. You are just wasting your time flaming me; you haven't accomplished anything and you are not about to.



PS The Bible says jacking-off is wrong, even if thats the best thing you'll ever get. So try to resist those urges.

Being gay is wrong. I don't think that makes them evil, but it is still wrong. They are sreading Aids, and corrupting the family. I do not think they should be able to marry either. Marridge is about making a family, Gays cannot "make" a family. And after Gays weddings, the shit hits the fan. Father marrying daughters, sons marrying grand fathers, group weddings, Man and Beast, Women and Trees. It sound funny now but just wait. If your gay fine, but don't expect to get marridge tax break which were made for responcable citizen trying to start a family. I really don't think gay should be able to adopt, inless the kids knows that he will have to Dads before hand...

hmm lets see where to begin

first off i think its kinda funny how that one dude said what a spartan warrior would do if someone would call him a fag. i think the spartan dude would look at u funny and stab u whether he knew what a fag was or not lol

next i guess i can say i sharply dislike homo and bi sexuals because i think they r sick (i just do cant explain why) so perhaps i am alittle prejidous (sp) now if i have a friend and he turns gay, as long as he dont try to convert me im fine (i already know him for his character so i can be prejudous)

next i would like to tell that dude who was saying that God does not like gay ppl: how the hell do u know what God likes and dislikes, for all we know we can all be equally worthless????!! u have no right to put words in an all powerful deity's mouth or what ever he speaks out of

ok now i dont think gayness is genetic since theres been a shitload of ppl that have been strait and turned gay and maybe turned back strait so its hard to say whether its genetic or not. if it is genetic it definatly shows entropy in the human race.

in animals, when i noticed my little dauschunds acting homo, it is when the female or a neighboring female dog is in heat and the dog that is acting homo smells the female ferrimones (sp) on the male thats been near the female. this is the only time i see homofagatitous(my newest word that i made up!) in animals. even if animals sodomize others of the same gender to show dominance, i dont think gay humans want to show thier partner that they r dominant over that person so it must be another reason. perhaps gays just choose to be attracted to members of the same sex. i've seen women get homofagatitous when a guy that they loved dumped them and they begin to hate all men find a lesbo partner and vica versa with men

well theres some thoughts on this subject from the mind of the Soul Flayer, hope i dont get flamed lol

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Basically the end to the arguement is: If you're not gay, none of this affects you. If two guys or two chicks want to fuck each other, let them. They're not forcing you to do anything you don't want to do. If two gay people want to get married, why not let them. You don't have to marry them. Don't tell me that marraige is a sacred bond. Almost half of the marraiges today end in divorce. It's more about the legal benefits now. And if that still doesn't work for you, make an equivalent bond for gays that protects them legally and gives them the same tax benefits as a married straight couple.

Just because people are doing something you don't personally agree with, doesn't give you any right to force them to change their ways. If it doesn't force you to do anything you don't want to do, leave them the fuck alone. So what if you think they're going to hell? It's not your problem. If you're really that concerned about them, pray for their soul.

quote:Originally posted by bluntman457:

I don't believe in the Pope. Heck, there is no where in the Bible that says anything about a "Pope",

And another thing why are you so offended? Insecure are you? Honestly I don't pay attention to people like you. The first thing that pops into my mind when I read a post like yours is:

"hmmm.....This guy is an idiot. HE can't even come up with evidence to support his arguements. I bet he is one of those people who call themselves an atheist just so they can try to offend believers to make them mad. In fact, I wonder what this guy knows what he even believes in.......I wonder if this guy was breast fed by father? Yeah, that would count for it...no no no....It was inbreeding, yes thats it, that explains everything. Nah, not imbreeding, that may account for it, but is something else...AH HA! This fool is some bastard who doesn't think for himself. He probably accepted everything he knows so willingly that he has become dogmatic in all his views. I wonder what I'll post...Should I post? I don't know, my g-friend is coming over soon. Ergo, I have better things to do....I'll post...clearly this moron has nothing better to do..he'll probably wait around with nothing to do and it would be mean to leave him and his hand together so long..."

You get the picture, hopefully. In short, I don't care what you think at all. I believe this way I do because of my faith and no one can change that. You are just wasting your time flaming me; you haven't accomplished anything and you are not about to.



PS The Bible says jacking-off is wrong, even if thats the best thing you'll ever get. So try to resist those urges.

What you want me to cry, oh boo hoo; get a life jagoff! First I'm straight,second both my mother and father are still alive and still married to each other,third when I was in my teens and an idiot like you, I used to think the same way, but then I realized what a fool I had been. All those years of listening to other peoples hatred of gay people. Well my eyes have been open for quite a few years now, Oh and unlike some people who believe every damn thing they read or hear, whether it's from the bible, or else where, I actually think for myself. As far as the bible not talking about the pope, that doesn't really matter seeing how pope uses the bible as part his services on a daily basis. Go figure.

I wonder which one of the 26 different versions of the bible he uses?

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Just like to preface this by saying that I dont really have a side in this debate.

All of the "god created gays, therefore he loves them" arguments are wrong. If god created everything, he created murderers also. So far, I haven't heard anybody say "Wait, murderers are god's children, too! Don't punish him; if god created him, god must condone his actions!"

However, I do find it hypocritical that christians ignore some of the laws in the bible (against divorce, etc.).

quote:Originally posted by iamthewalrus789:

Just like to preface this by saying that I dont really have a side in this debate.

All of the "god created gays, therefore he loves them" arguments are wrong. If god created everything, he created murderers also. So far, I haven't heard anybody say "Wait, murderers are god's children, too! Don't punish him; if god created him, god must condone his actions!"

However, I do find it hypocritical that christians ignore some of the laws in the bible (against divorce, etc.).

You make a good arguement. I once heard someone say that God also created evil along with all the good in the universe.

And for any of you that are interested I do believe in god.

Many Christians weigh in on this issue like this:

Yes, homosexuality may be something that most gay people are born with. God may indeed allow it to happen, but it is as a challenge to be overcome. God also allows people to be born with no limbs, or with no immune systems, etc. It's not fair, but God works in mysterious ways. If you're born gay, it does not mean it's your fault or that God doesn't love you, but it is something that you must try to overcome and change within yourself.

Personally, not being a Christian myself, I don't subscribe to that. But it is consistent with the Bible as many scholars see it, and it makes more sense than saying that the vast majority of gays are lying and chose it, or that God doesn't create homosexuality in people but evidently does in animals.

um, what does the catholic church have to do with it? Catholic Church is trying to stop people from using condoms because it makes sex into only pleasure rather than pleasure and birth. by using condoms doesn't necessarily stop aids. I am sure gays don't use condoms and bam they give AIDS

quote:Originally posted by KillSwitch_J:

What you want me to cry, oh boo hoo; get a life jagoff! First I'm straight,second both my mother and father are still alive and still married to each other,third when I was in my teens and an idiot like you, I used to think the same way, but then I realized what a fool I had been. All those years of listening to other peoples hatred of gay people. Well my eyes have been open for quite a few years now, Oh and unlike some people who believe every damn thing they read or hear, whether it's from the bible, or else where, I actually think for myself. As far as the bible not talking about the pope, that doesn't really matter seeing how pope uses the bible as part his services on a daily basis. Go figure.

I wonder which one of the 26 different versions of the bible he uses?

Yeah, so this one time I broke my arm biking. Never again will wear a cast..The itching and what not...terrible. While I was itching I thought I should stop biking then I was like: F*** that I'm not going to stop. I love biking and I am really good at it. Far better than you will ever be at it. Anyway, my dad seeing that this was my first broken bone wanted to document it so the rest of the family could see. But, a tragedy, he did not have a camera. However, this was not a time to mourn because he remembered he had an old video-camera. It was pre-video tape. I think they called it a super-8 or something. Getting some film for that was a real pain in the butt. Never again will we use that camera, the film and quality..HA laughable is what that is. Now where is my phone book I need to call people who actually care what you think so they can respond,NOT me, I don't care. I have better things to do. Like contribute to society, you should try sometime its fun.

On a serious note: I don't care what you think, so stop posting. If you'll stop posting in this topic, I will. Besides we are not accomplishing anything for anyone so why bother?

quote:Originally posted by bluntman457:

Yeah, so this one time I broke my arm biking. Never again will wear a cast..The itching and what not...terrible. While I was itching I thought I should stop biking then I was like: F*** that I'm not going to stop. I love biking and I am really good at it. Far better than you will ever be at it. Anyway, my dad seeing that this was my first broken bone wanted to document it so the rest of the family could see. But, a tragedy, he did not have a camera. However, this was not a time to mourn because he remembered he had an old video-camera. It was pre-video tape. I think they called it a super-8 or something. Getting some film for that was a real pain in the butt. Never again will we use that camera, the film and quality..HA laughable is what that is. Now where is my phone book I need to call people who actually care what you think so they can respond,NOT me, I don't care. I have better things to do. Like contribute to society, you should try sometime its fun.

On a serious note: I don't care what you think, so stop posting. If you'll stop posting in this topic, I will. Besides we are not accomplishing anything for anyone so why bother?

Are you sure it was your arm you broke and not your f######g head, because your posts are the most idiotic I have ever read.

Anyone who hates gays must be ignorant because hating a certain group of things is a way for "stupid people" to come to terms with what they don't understand. I have no problem with Gay people as long as they don't bother me, some people who have a problem with gays are just scared that they might be gay....

To prove that I have no side in this and am just playing devil's advocate, I will refute my own argument.

The bible prohibits divorce, which is now mainstream. Some might say "well, divorce is forbidden, and nobody follows that rule, so why cant we accept homosexuality, which is also forbidden."

This is completely ridiculous. In addition to divorce and homosexuality, the bible condemns killing, stealing, raping, etc. If people can get divorced, why can't they kill someone, steal all their stuff, and then rape their wife?

If they can't, why is homosexuality ok?

quote:Originally posted by Oblivion531:

Are you sure it was your arm you broke and not your f######g head, because your posts are the most idiotic I have ever read.

Well this one time when I was really little, I think 5, I fell of the top of a big slide. I hit my head on a rock when I landed. And ever since then I have been afraid of sock puppets.

( Haven't you people realised that I have just stopped caring about this thread? Honestly I don't care what you guys think. So why don't you quit posting now? Like anyone cares what you guys think, you should know that by now. I came to the same conculsion that no one cares about my religion here long ago. So I really don't even try anymore. Do the same.)

quote:Originally posted by iamthewalrus789:

To prove that I have no side in this and am just playing devil's advocate, I will refute my own argument.

The bible prohibits divorce, which is now mainstream. Some might say "well, divorce is forbidden, and nobody follows that rule, so why cant we accept homosexuality, which is also forbidden."

This is completely ridiculous. In addition to divorce and homosexuality, the bible condemns killing, stealing, raping, etc. If people can get divorced, why can't they kill someone, steal all their stuff, and then rape their wife?

If they can't, why is homosexuality ok?

But then again, if that is not permissable then why can we eat meat on Fridays, refrain from killing unbelieving infidels or those that work on sundays, and wear multifabric color clothing?

The bible prohibits those things, after all.

quote:Originally posted by Nautica:

Being gay is wrong. I don't think that makes them evil, but it is still wrong. They are sreading Aids, and corrupting the family. I do not think they should be able to marry either. Marridge is about making a family, Gays cannot "make" a family. And after Gays weddings, the shit hits the fan. Father marrying daughters, sons marrying grand fathers, group weddings, Man and Beast, Women and Trees. It sound funny now but just wait. If your gay fine, but don't expect to get marridge tax break which were made for responcable citizen trying to start a family. I really don't think gay should be able to adopt, inless the kids knows that he will have to Dads before hand...



Do you seriously think that? Being gay is in no way related to incest and bestiality and crap like that. It isn't some fetish people have, it's just a preference. I don't like coffee, and gay guys don't like vaginas. Spreading AIDS? So are straight people, and most gays that know they are infected will tell the person they're with. I know a good number of monogamous gays, so don't generalize and think that it's a sex community, cause it isn't. Marriage is not about making a family. If you marry someone to make a family, I feel very sorry for you. Marriage is a promise you make to stay with someone, to love someone, and to support someone, not to screw like rabbits. There are many benefits you don't even think about. If a gay person is in the hospital in critical condition, where only family can visit, their partner can't visit. If one dies without a will, the other will not inherit anything. They can't combine taxes, and they aren't eligible for benefits from Social Security, Medicare, Family and Medical Leave, health care, disability, military, veterans and other federal benefits. Why should they be excluded from these benefits, and who are you to say who should get them and who shouldn't? Who is anyone to say that a vow between two people of the same sex isn't as valid as between two people of the opposite sex?

quote:Originally posted by FreakerSoup:



Do you seriously think that? Being gay is in no way related to incest and bestiality and crap like that.

Its not related as far as having similarities, but the Bible mentions pedophiles and those who commit incest right next to the gays. Personally I don't think they are related, but I can't help to think that homosexuals are just as bad as pedophiles and what not because of this fact.

quote:Originally posted by bluntman457:

Its not related as far as having similarities, but the Bible mentions pedophiles and those who commit incest right next to the gays. Personally I don't think they are related, but I can't help to think that homosexuals are just as bad as pedophiles and what not because of this fact.

Also mentioned right next to gays:

Leviticus 20:9 - For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him.

Leviticus 20:10 - And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.

If that's the part you're going by, I suggest you re-evaluate it.

I don't think the problem is what god created or genetics or any of it, the problem is sex is given to much importance in society. It's recreational activity, a stress releaver, a passtime, why should people give this much of a shit? If two guys are horny and feel like sucking each other off, then why should humanity spend years arguing about something that take minutes? now if you'll excuse me I'm off to have consensual anal sex with an animal of the same sex who is also an underage relative of mine.