I do not believe in hell i dont care what the bible says and all that biblical mumbojumbo. If god is our father i dont think he would send us to a burning pit for the rest of eternity. I mean did your dad throw you into a burning pit with demons and fire when you got into trouble.I think that people have a choice to go there or not.

But i do believe that thier is evil. My theory is that there has to be good and evil because one cannot exist without the other. you are given free will to be good or evil. They have to cancell eachother out like an atom. Its charge is neutral because the electrons cancell out the protons. I think it has to be that way with all things.If the 2 sides didnt cancell then we could not exist.

i was just thinking about this and decided to see what you guys think.

the actual idea of hell, (primarily from a Christian viewpoint) - would be the absence of "God".

Mind you, being an atheists exempts me from caring either way, but your view appeared a bit off regardless...the idea is that you either accept "God" and go to heaven, or deny him and don't.

quote:My theory is that there has to be good and evil because one cannot exist without the other. you are given free will to be good or evil.

And whats to say either actually exists at all?

IMO - "good and evil" are relative. They are merely terms used to describe what you think should or shouldn't be done, based on your set of morals, which are relative...

I'm under the impression that evil is simply the lack of good. It's like there's no such thing as coldness. It's just a term for the absense of heat energy.

Isn't the Christian hell some sort of punishment? What's the point of punishment that lasts forever? If there is no remedial value to hell, no learning your lesson and being let out or extinguished, it serves no purpose other than to inflict suffering.

quote:Originally posted by noraa_boy:



Isn't the Christian hell some sort of punishment? What's the point of punishment that lasts forever? If there is no remedial value to hell, no learning your lesson and being let out or extinguished, it serves no purpose other than to inflict suffering.

Well said!!

you are an inspiration to me noraa boy.

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quote:Originally posted by noraa_boy:

I'm under the impression that evil is simply the lack of good. It's like there's no such thing as coldness. It's just a term for the absense of heat energy.



if cold is the absense of heat energy, then wouldn't heat be the absense of cold? if so, then neither would exist without the other, making it impossible. not disagreeing with you, just wondering if that makes any sense. i think i'm thinking too hard on it.

Well, I think we know that heat energy exists, but I'm not too sure if we have discovered "cold energy".

As always, I'm open to corrections and suggestions.

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quote:Originally posted by noraa_boy:

Well, I think we know that heat energy exists, but I'm not too sure if we have discovered "cold energy".

As always, I'm open to corrections and suggestions.

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I was just wondering if it was an ambiguous arguement. It seemed like it could go either way.

I've always thought this was an interesting school of thought on the subject: hell is a place of your own making. Your sins, your faults, your unsolved problems in life create the environment which will be your personal hell after you die. In other words, everyone who goes gets their own personal, custom-made hell designed by themselves for themselves (only they usually don't know that is the case, at least not at first).

Then you're supposed to figure out why your hell is the way it is and seek forgiveness once you realize how you went wrong in life. Dig yourself out of your own hole, so to speak.

I don't believe or necessarily disbelieve in an afterlife, be it heaven or hell or whatever, but this idea of hell makes more sense to me than any others I've heard.

i have to agree with the punishment arguements, i posted a very similar post somewhere recently, about pungee pits...

anywoo-i also agree that "evil" is the absence of good, its not a balance thing. i believe good is when everyone is happy (agreed?) and if everyone is happy, than everyone is following thier Will. evil is people going agenst thier Will.

Do what thou wilt...(93 thelemites!)

listen, i don't believe in hell, but i believe that the creation of a "hell" is fundamental to every religion. There needs to be an evil force that makes us strive to become good. Without a "hell" there can be no heaven.

quote:Originally posted by dirtballkaner:

listen, i don't believe in hell, but i believe that the creation of a "hell" is fundamental to every religion. There needs to be an evil force that makes us strive to become good. Without a "hell" there can be no heaven.

if it's fundamental for every religion, that includes your own...but you don't believe in it. how does that work?

did i say I was religious u fucking idiot?

quote:Originally posted by dirtballkaner:

did i say I was religious u fucking idiot?

You are the idiot. Religious means having any belief towards anything spiritual. Atheism is a religion as well. Everyone is religious in their own unique way. Pay attention.

atheism is the belief in the absence of God

since i don't give a fuck whether god exists or doesn't exist means i am neither atheist or a believer,

i just don't care

The "i dont believe there is a hell/ i dont believe any god would punish us for eternity" thread seems to be one the most recurring. Not just here but in our generation in the western world everywhere.

And it is a perfect example of blind faith.

There is no authority, no real evidence or even a rational line of investigation. It is in essence the postmodern tolerence phenomenon (thats a hard word to spell) where everyones opinion is given equal weight and value, regardless of its weight of authority,rationality or proof.

If this was a theory, it wouldnt even be published for one simple fact. It is based on your opinion and supported only by those that like to think the same thing.

If God is the source of life and order in our universe, then hell would be chaos & void of life.

That's my theory.

Hell is probably just non-existance. Perhaps we think that pain is the worst thing ever because we haven't experienced or don't remember non-existance, and so we really have no idea what it is. Perhaps an absense of existance all together is much worse then an existance of horrible pain. It seems realistic as we most likely could not understand something like non-existance even if we knew what it really was.

quote:Originally posted by Morb:

I've always thought this was an interesting school of thought on the subject: hell is a place of your own making. Your sins, your faults, your unsolved problems in life create the environment which will be your personal hell after you die. In other words, everyone who goes gets their own personal, custom-made hell designed by themselves for themselves (only they usually don't know that is the case, at least not at first).

Then you're supposed to figure out why your hell is the way it is and seek forgiveness once you realize how you went wrong in life. Dig yourself out of your own hole, so to speak.

I don't believe or necessarily disbelieve in an afterlife, be it heaven or hell or whatever, but this idea of hell makes more sense to me than any others I've heard.

I'm sure thats a movie. With Robin Williams I believe.

how about my theory: you get send back to earth as a nigger!!! hahahaha!!!!

quote:Originally posted by Scab:

how about my theory: you get send back to earth as a nigger!!! hahahaha!!!!

hahaha! no. there would be many more niggers if that was true.

Many beleive that hell is hot and what not. It may come from many people thinking its in the center of the earth. You also may consider that it is cold.

First, we need to know how the mass of Hell is changing in time. So we

need to know both the rate at which souls are moving into Hell, and the

rate at which they are leaving. I think we can safely assume that once a

soul gets to Hell, it will not leave. Therefore, no souls are leaving.



As for how many souls are entering Hell, let's look at the different

religions that exist in the world today. Some of these religions state

that if you are not a member of their religion, you will go to Hell.

Since there are more than one of these religions and since people do not

belong to more than one religion, we can project that all people and all

souls go to Hell. With birth and death rates as they are, we can expect

the number of souls in Hell to increase exponentially.



Now, we must examine the rate of change of the volume of Hell.

Because Boyle's Law states that in order for the temperature and

pressure in Hell to stay the same, the volume of Hell has to expand as

souls are added. This provides two possibilities:



1. If Hell is expanding at a slower rate than the rate at which

souls enter Hell, then the

temperature and pressure in Hell will increase until all Hell

breaks loose.



2. Of course, if Hell is expanding at a rate faster than the

increase of souls in Hell, then the

temperature and pressure will drop until Hell freezes over.



So which is it? If we accept the postulate given to me by Ms. Therese

Banyan during my Freshman year, "that it will be a cold night in Hell

before I date you", and take into account the fact I still have not

succeeded in having dated her, then number 2 cannot be true, and so Hell

is Exothermic

How about you give credit where it's due, unless you really happen to be the guy who wrote that.

quote:Originally posted by noraa_boy:

How about you give credit where it's due, unless you really happen to be the guy who wrote that.

Yea the hard returns kind of give it away.